Hey there, my name is Evgeny and I'm a tech art lead at CrazyPanda, which is a mobile game development oriented company And today I'd like to tell you about tech art and our experience in dealing with it Specific society, I'd like to start with why I am here and what I want to accomplish from this talk First and foremost, I'd like to promote tech art in general Because while it is gaining popularity as more and more companies Integrate tech art and tech artists into their workflow still a lot of people see it as a gimmick or a tool for AAA only and I'd like to do my small part by Showing you that that is not the case Second I'd like to promote blender as a tech art tool and to show you that it has a lot to offer and Is a great tool to start your tech art journey Finally, I'd like to highlight blender's opportunity to grow among 3d artists Especially which as I'll show you later is great for tech artists like me so Here's what you have to know about me. I'm a tech art lead at CrazyPanda. I've spent last three years developing a massive online multiplayer real-time strategy mobile game called Stellar Age and Basically, I've done a lot on that project Because I've started there as a mere programmer and through the years progressed and developed I've developed several vital pipelines and Every place I went I tried to make myself obsolete That is a weird thing to say During that time I've had a lot of tools that I had to use Here are some of them. So you've got Unity. You've got blender You've got Gujini Marmoset tool bags substance designer and painter Resom UV Sprite UV creator Figma Google Sheets and that is just on the top of the list Point is that I've doubled in a lot of tools in a very Different from the usual way because you see there's like common line. There's Python there's like Lua and other languages and What I want to share here today with you is based on my spilled blood and tears from that time So that you don't have to So what do tech artists do and what is tech art all about? Sure the answer is pipelines and workflows Long answer is is a bit too long for this small presentation, but here's a bite of it so you've got Quality assessment By the way, I love lists. There's gonna be a lot of lists When I am nervous, I like to make a list about what I like about lists Quality assessment, which is the amount of polygons the texture size so that the art is consistent and pretty Increasing speed of art production and integration Then there are art optimizations art integration optimizations basically building a bridge between quarters coders and artists Which is extremely important and Very cruel job to do Shaders render pipelines custom geometry generation custom textures, which is mostly procedural VFX and stuff like that Some might argue that some of these professions like VFX and shader render pipelines They can be done by a different specialist like VFX artists, but a Technical artist due to his generalist nature can bring a lot to the table VFX artists usually doesn't understand shaders and shaders can make your effects just pow so With all of this said The key thing to understand about a tech artist is that it is all about Saving other people's time as well as your own You should try to let people Concentrate on the things that they want to achieve rather than the tedious processes of achieving it by understanding tools And stuff like that. So here are a few examples Wander a strike well just move the curve around and you got one Have a Photoshop sketch that you want to turn into a game level. Well, that's easy. Just press a button Need a city fast? Here are a few building generators for you to play around with need a complicated terrain with biomes with roads rivers water grass trees buildings cars well I Can do that You might think that your game or application doesn't require all of that grandeur, but I believe that you just don't know what you're missing because you can do pretty much anything and the key is that Anything that has a standardized input and a standardized output can be automated and How do you do it? Well tech artist script custom tools that help to mainstream the Pipelines and workflows basically excluding some people or letting them do their job and then pushing it forward and When saving time, it's very important to save your own time as well because it is just as important If not more considering that there are a lot less tech artists than 3d artists Yeah, so whenever possible, you should use shortcuts And by that I mean third-party applications Because if there is a tool in the market that does the job for you, then obviously you should use it At the same time using third-party applications come with a lot of limitations Here's another list like I said, I love them Some tools are not common. That means that people that might use your tool are not familiar with like Blender or Sprite UV or something like that Some tools are wrong version High Blender 2.8 that broke half of my add-ons Most tools require licenses and that means that you have to persuade your company into using them into buying licenses and Licenses are usually perceived. So if your company is big or your 3d artists are numerous Not numerous, but like there is a huge amount of them then that's gonna cost extra extra for your company and considering that there are indie licenses usually and Corporate licenses if you have if you work in a big company, then that's gonna be extra extra extra persuasion for you Yeah, then the IP documentation API documentation it can be like last time and Moreover you might happen to come To a stumble because of some unpredicted bug that's usually not you that's usually the bug and the problem with Most licensed software is that you can do very little about it You can do a bug report, but that is not always Gonna help you do your job open source in that matter is much better and Picking a wrong tool is a huge time waste But at the same time Every time you see a tool. It's a decision whether you use it or not. You do not have You usually do not have the luxury of knowing the outcome right away So here are some helpful rules that you might Use when picking your tools So first of all you should stick to tools people already using their workflows That is very important because if they haven't used it You're gonna have to explain them how to use it write a guideline at the very least or maybe even guide them through the Process by yourself, which is a huge time waste next is free and open source are your best friends because the chances of you meeting a bug that you can do nothing about are very slim and You don't have to persuade anyone. You can just use the tool right away If the choice is between saving a little time and using less tools always choose less tools because there's less Potential for problems that you cannot solve Always be on the prowl for new tools and techniques and conferences are great for that So blender conference is great. Then you've got a game developer conference. Then you've got seagraph all of those are amazing places to Quintus yourself with new tools and tricks and Finally whenever possible try out new tools and small home projects first because if you try to scale it right away You're gonna meet a hell of a lot of problems So This is a conference about blender, but I barely said anything about it. Let's fix it Blend it to the rescue. So what does blender has to offer to the tech art? One of the key things is its license because you can just download it and use it. You don't have to persuade anyone at your company You can even distribute blender along with your tool to ensure that it is the correct version Along with every plug-in required to which is morally dubious, but legally sound and Another great benefit is it's great API You have Python which is a great language, especially in terms of how much There is for Python Because you can attach Python modules that are already there third-party Python modules and extend the blender's functionality From inside your code, you can use almost every nook and cranny of blender including extending menus and creating custom operators There is also a great plug-in for visual studio code that gives you auto completion and You can learn the basics of API because blender outputs almost every action you do at the Python call in its console Then there's an awesome library of blender plugins all of which are open source which you can learn from and that is invaluable Also, there are custom shaders which can be amazing and help you do your job and While it's still unusual to see people using blender for work There is a huge community of enthusiasts that keeps getting bigger day by day Thanks to you The blender itself is open source, which means you can make basically anything out of it should you so desire There are even custom branches of blender out in the wild that you might find interesting and some of them Find their way to the main branch like for example, just recently there was a talk about the sculpting branch that I Was tracking down for a while The one major drawback that I find in blender is that in the industry at least where I'm from it's still not that Well used But that's changing fast And now back to miracles. I invite you to delve into one case from our life So our game Includes a decent amount of 2.5d sprites. These are basically flat 2d images That you can with shade of voodoo do real-time lighting upon as Well as some other need 3d things They are very tedious to make and take a lot of repetition and my not been work to finish This is the pipeline broken into stages so For starters, you've got a marmoset tool back scene where everything is set up You've got your 3d models your lights your materials And you have to render them piece by piece three different ways first of all You have to just render the picture then you have to render the normal so that you can do lighting later on and That's not world space normals that's screen space normal story about that and then finally you've got a mission so that you can animate the lights Animate the emission of the materials in the runtime in your game Then you have to pack those renders into atlases and create custom measures so that you Basically recreate the picture Finally, there's a VFX modification layer where you swizzle atlas channels for example are red and green for normals blue for roughness alpha for something else adding vertex color so that for example on our global map you have these Pirates that do the levitating and They are De synchronized the parts are de synchronized To do that We use vertex color in our shaders Then you have to create fragmented meshes so that you basically get your destruction for free correct pivots then finally you get to unity where you can when you should create your prefabs and Render them in the game engine so that the art director can finally make a decision whether this fits it or if it Well, or if you should make some changes to it Yeah, so all of those steps pretty much were done separately and manually That was a huge waste of time But not anymore since I've done an entire to my pipeline that automatically takes another director approved marmoset scene renders the meshes inside of it piece by piece into textures three different ways creates and fills assistant textures creates an emergent custom Meshes for those sprites with correctly sorting creates UVs and pucks all of the textures into appropriate atlases Mixes the atlas textures channels into game ready textures fills the vertex channels of meshes creates an auto distraction state by using Voronoi noise to split the mesh into big pieces that are then split into tiny pieces and even tinier ones with all Always correct hierarchies and pivots for auto animation All of that is sent to unity where prefabs are created seen automatically set up with the newly created prefabs screenshots videos taken Sends the message over email skype's like a telegram to the art director with attached screenshots for final decision making and Yeah, oops Well, at least in this process So before the Automatization to your artist would finish their work and I had to spend a lot of time basically Making those things into game ready assets so that the art director can make a decision I've already said the entire process two times. So I'd like to skip that tedious part Not only did that take a lot of time, but the results were pretty mediocre since they're done by hand and I'm and I am only human By the way, it could be rejected midway and sent back to these 3d artists to make some adjustments Which means that I had to redo the whole week of depressing work all over again Good days After the automatization now Suddenly the 3d artists can have complete control They are always in the loop as they get final feedback immediately even if it's not filing They quickly fix what's wrong and in a jiffy like with the press of a button. We get back to where they Where they are director said no, no, let's let's do this Basically they got a clone of me in the in a box that can in seconds do my work better than I could do in weeks Aside from pluses I've described this tool packs atlases like there's no tomorrow maximizing the texture space usage By a landslide creates all the required textures without a chance for human error and less but not least unlike me It's always available Aside yeah, this tool is already battle tested and while some parts and features of it remain as a to-do list For example, you have to send emails and messages by yourself. Unfortunately Yeah It does give all the benefits are described 3d artists worked directly with our director and I don't have to do a thing So in the end artists and quarters living together Mass hysteria some things went harder than I thought though So let's take a look at the pipeline one more time And break it down into third-party tools that could do the job required At the very input we get a hard limitation the scene is done in Marma set tool back. So that is what we're gonna have to use For creating atlases and measures out of images I found spy TV to which does its job quite well and has a common line support Which is always welcome Mixing textures can easily be done in Python for vertex colors fragmentation pivot manipulation and other mesh Post-processing blended as well. The rest is unity 3d specific. So unity 3d it is the messenger part is not that important So everything looks great now that we've got our tools and they seem to be able to do the job until it doesn't Most of the tools do their work as required Spy TV to has some issues with the pivots it outputs, but that can be fixed later in blender Blender loving it plus it can be included into the tool itself, which is awesome unity loving it Marma set though Not so much And let you show you let me show you some of my sorrows But before that for those of you unfamiliar with it, let me explain to you what Marma set tool back is So it's a tool for look development that a lot of the artists use due to its simple UX Basically you send your models there just set up the materials Pick the required shader pick the required HDRI put on some lights here and there and then you can export it straight to artstation and Export a package that you can then upload to Sketchfab That's where it wins It also has a surprisingly decent Python support along with custom deal SLS shader support That was a welcome side because without it I wouldn't be able to do my job Yeah, but there were some problems First issue. I've encountered our custom passes. So to do what I needed I needed to extract screen space normals and Emission passes emission passes. Well, they went rather well, but the normals well This is an article from 80 level where a An author the author Alexander explains how he Extracted the screen space normals. So it comes so you basically what you should do you should set up three lights and you should twinkle with the material settings and then add this curve and then finally hopefully you You get what you need By the way, the curve that you see there will will come to it later and you'll see that it is no coincidence Anyways, I've tried it The results were subpar and hard to implement via Python They required quite a lot of changes in material and lighting and I've given up before finishing a stable version of it. So What I did instead Was create custom shaders for both paths Screen space normals gave me still one hell over right Just in case let me clarify to you what screen space normals are So inside a normal map texture Most of the time you have a tangent space normals. These are dependent on the geometry normals When rendering things into flat sprites, you lose surface normals altogether So you can't just render and lit normal map and call it today What you should do instead is unwrap it and flatten it Marmoset does the unpacking of the normal map for custom shaders after the box But it only provides the sum space normals We'll get to that soon Usually to convert those to what you need you have out of the box matrices for such cases Examples are object to world view to world, etc Most of the 3d tools I've used have those for example in blender. You can do this transformation with one simple node Yeah, we'll get to that In Marmoset though, you have no such thing you can't even multiply a vector by a matrix as is in your GSL GLSL code that that's why it's esk at the end. Well to be frank While these are never mentioned There are Two interesting shader files containing those things those are utils which has methods for vector matrix multiplication So including it gives you that and custom extras has some matrices with funky names like you custom shading to world and you custom shading to model Yeah, custom shading more fun There is some documentation on that Comment it in the code transforms from shading to world space and the other one is from shading to model Still doesn't explain what shading is and we'll get to that as well As is after trial and error I created a view matrix by passing forward up and left camera object vectors from Python Multiplied normals by the resulting matrix and thus my world space normals were complete Although I thought after Importing the results the resulting atlases into the game engine I found issues with the resulting normals They seemed a little bit off Yeah, this is where we get back to that curve that the article author did There are different color spaces for image files when a file is saved to sRGB a gamma correction is applied to it Fun fact the inverse of gamma correction curve looks very similar to the one the article author came up with to make his world space Make his screen space normals look better could us to his sense of beauty Anyways, it's easy to fix when you know exactly the problem, but can be extremely frustrating when you do not It took me a while to figure out the culprit behind the inconsistencies Marmoset writes PNG files only in sRGB format hence the gamma correction is applied to the files automatically To save myself from the trouble of working with EXR files or finding that you can't export them Via Python from Marmoset. I've included an inverse gamma correction curve into the shader itself and all was well Well, until it wasn't turns out The world is a lie the in Marmoset you have this hierarchy the visible hierarchy where objects are rooted to something and Presumably it should be all rooted to the world, but instead it is rooted to an HDRI object that you can rotate in a Different menu all together So once again after a lot of trial and error, I finally pinpointed the problem and fixed it. It was rather easy to fix because of Those two wonderful files and custom shading apparently when you multiply your resulting normals Normals by the you custom shading to world mattress You have found the solution meanwhile in blender Might I remind you that all of this can be done with just one note one very very simple note that you can do like in several places Yeah, but That was not the end of my problems This is a huge issue that I still do not have not found a correct way to fix While when working with a batch of new art assets one of which you can see here I've noticed that I can't just disable objects to render them piece by piece because that would affect shadows and that would affect global Illumination and that would change the visuals so that that would be very problematic And On this object it became very obvious None of the easy fixes I came up with worked neither the hard ones. I've tried so far one of the obvious solutions for this would be baking complete Lighting and hey, what do you know? Marmoset tool back has a baker for that. I wish I could say victory by default, but Yeah, there's a bug So Turns out it doesn't care about normal maps when calculating light. So the results it produces were not what I Wanted out of it and unlike blender where hypothetically I could fix it by myself Without having to wait for the fix for the official fix Here I could not more over There's a topic on it on a very different side because Marmoset doesn't have an official forum and The post there Dates almost a year back. So my hopes of it being fixed very slim meanwhile in blender You can do it with just one toggle Granted it's cycles not Evie. I believe that Evie cannot do that but in blender in cycles you can do practically anything like turn off The solid rendering turn off the shadows turn of this turn of that because all of it is done through different passes So after all the said and done and we finally have our tool in the working order I've had a lot of the problems while dealing with Marmoset funky documentation weird features bugs every step of the way I saw how I could do this or that much easier has it been blender scenes but they weren't and While I am rooting for blender and I am rooting for blender and I wanted to become better and I wanted to be blender scenes But I see how that was not the case and how it couldn't have been It has everything to do with the UX of the tools themselves and that's what I want to concentrate the rest of my talk Marmoset in my humble opinion has a much simpler and user-friendly interface when it comes to look development First of all, I'd like to direct your attention towards HDRI lightning In Marmoset adding HDRI based lightning is extremely intuitive You easily set up an environment texture from one of the built-ins define simple image-based lights to further customize the scene easily correct brightness of HDRI image-based lights and While not perfect. I find it to be a big step up in terms of usability against blender's environment texture setup and especially lights Then you've got shaders and while I love the node structure of blender shaders Marmoset allows to customize its principle shader quite a bit The shader is split into categories for each category. You have several choices Do you want a simple diffuse a Lambert or Dota diffuse for your diffusion? Do you want a Dota specular specular or metalness for your reflectivity, etc? These are very intuitive for people especially for artists and To get a good surface shader going for an artist in blender. Well, that takes a lot of guts Also artstation and sketchfab integration. Well, blender does work To do that easier. I believe that this is a good place to create a plugin to just mainstream your renders into to artstation or to Maybe even YouTube knows and then there's lighting and lighting in blender is quite complicated In blender's EV light object has no modifiable attenuation curve that I know of although I did find some ways to fake it but The control on that is rather lackluster Also the lights brightness power inversely depends on its size radius and it's a rather weird side when you know you increase The radius of the light and suddenly it becomes dimmer rather than well You expect it to be brighter because it gets closer to the object that it's supposed to highlight Those are the things that my colleagues found weird and Summing things up Tech art is awesome. A good tech artist can make your five 3d artists produce more content than fifty 3d artists would Blender is a great tool for doubling in tech art due to its free and open-source nature With a great Python support along with a good coding environment and lots of examples to learn from Blender is already a great tool for a lot of people working different jobs in very different industries 3d modeling animating rendering Look depth scripting motion design movies VFX and much more in it I love that blender is gaining momentum and I want to help it grow One such improvement is EV because it allows blender to compete as a look depth and portfolio tool due to its like You see what you see is what you get nature and Marmoset is extremely popular and I believe that if blender were to add an entire different workspace for just simple lighting and simple shading that would Provide the starting 3d artists with a better way to engage with the software and The tool that people use at home is the tool that they will eventually use at work. Yeah, I miss that So One of the key pros that I find in blender is it's diverse community Because you don't just have 3d artists you have basically everyone including coders that can create plugins and can even create Custom branches that then get into the main branch. So basically blender is what we make it to be so you have all the power to do it even better and there are a lot of Examples that I can give that just made I Enjoy vanilla blender, but there are some plugins that I just see as Requirements for blender like there's box cutter that made my modeling much easier There's dickle ops that made it much easier like you can almost entirely skip the High poly face and just on the low poly create all the details that you want from it quite fast quite easy So community is I believe what drives blender and what should drive blender to its much brighter future Thank you for listening. I hope I've shown you an interesting topic to explore and some ideas on how blender could get even better and More common among the industry. Thank you


So like just a show of hand, like is there anybody who is like self-taught here? I'm not like, okay, okay. Like so like you haven't been through like a proper university kind of education. Because that's my background actually. So when I was like talking about, so when I actually spoke about this in the junior deaf. So when Ken actually saw my title, she's like, why are you thinking, like why do you say that your project is quite less? Because like to me, like self-taught developer, I focus mainly on front-end. When I do project, sometimes it's like you really just do it for fun. It's like, what do I want to get out of this? It's like nothing. Like it's just like a raspberry pi LED. It looks like a typical kind of like poly kind of project, right? So like, so that's like, I feel that that's really not a lot of value in my project. When I started doing this, and it's really just for fun. And like, why do I do that?  So I'm going to make this talk really casual, really chill, you know. So who am I? So this is actually my background. I used to be a show presenter. I used to be a dancer. But with showing, that's because that's actually my background. So why? So I slowly move into the tech space.  You have to wake up like really, really early, like 5 o'clock. And you when you reach home, it's like 8 o'clock. I was like, okay, I don't want that kind of life. But it's like, and again, it's about the kind of impact that you're actually doing. Like when you have web learning in tech, the kind of impact that I feel was like, wow, it's just amazing. You really reach out to a lot of people. Because it's like universal. It's like you break down barriers and stuff like that, right? So, okay. So that's how I got into raspberry pi. It's like, yeah, because like some people didn't know I was just very high. So what I really learned from this project is like, that's a GPIO and sometimes hardware is really random.  This is like a GPIO 16.  Then you have 19. I was like, oh my gosh, like what is this? But it's always about learning new things. You know, like when you learn new things, you kind of get to integrate into whatever you are doing right now. So I think like this project really helped me in that sense. Okay. I think I'm going to show you what this is about. What this project is about. Okay. So. Oh, oh my goodness. Okay. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Ya. Eh, what? Okay. So this is, to the same time I have already SSH into my Python. Alright. Control plus? Okay. Learning new things. No, it doesn't work. This is like a party. I don't know. So you just do it. All the way. And go to the property or something. Ah, property. Now anyway, this is not important. This part is not important part. It's okay, we move on. So what I'm going to do is I'm just going to run my bot. Okay. So it's written on Python. It's all about like open source. A lot of different open source stuff. And. Okay. So let me see if I can show you this. Live demo. Ya. Ya. Live demo. The previous time I screwed it up. But this time, it's going to happen. Okay, let me just fix this first. Ya, I couldn't SSH in. So like this time it's going to be charm like. But this time it's going to work. Okay. Select. All right. Connecting to this so that you can see this better. And this is where it got awkward and really silent. Okay. So what I did. So I actually control my Raspberry Pi. With telegram. So if you can see that. So if you do this. Okay, let me just minimise this. All right. So I think you can see this. Ya. Thanks. Okay. Ya. Thank you. So for example, if I do a rate. Ya blockchain. Ya stuff. A little bit like. Blow. And. Okay, let me off this. Okay. And because I love sound. Let me do this. Ya. You have to keep very silent. So here that. Shhhhhh. It's a Mario. Ya. Because that's what Mario is like to say. And of course that's like the last one. The Fistbast test. Because to show that I can count. Just like bling bling bling. Okay on 3 it blings the other colour of 5. It blings the other colour of 3 and 5. It kind of just bling the other one. Okay. Nice. Ya. So this is just to prove that I can do a formula. Ya. Ya. Ya. So and because that's like. Okay. So that's the end for the Raspberry Pi. Because it's like it's always very boring. When you do like an error message. And the board actually say. I don't know what you're saying. So for example. If I were to type something. Non-search, right? So we actually call up. API. Key. To do like random code. So every time you type something. So it's like. You know it's like when you say. Oh there's like an error. I cannot find your message. It's kind of boring. So ya. It's a bit slow. Right now. So I kind of like. Okay. Oh this is a very interesting code. Then I like shape off. Which a block is more easily driven. Than a single one. It's all random. Ya. So okay. I think it's not working. Ya. So this is like the lock. So whatever command is being put on. It's actually lock. To the console.  Okay. So. Okay. So this. Oh my gosh. Ya. So like for me. Like it's a lot about clock and play. Like when you're self-thought. It's sort of like. You have read the code. You see like what can you apply. It's a lot of clock and play. So there's a lot of open source library. Out there in the GitHub. Which really helps me. In my development work. As a freelance developer. And right now. I also work in a blockchain company. So very very grateful. So. I want to end. I talk as like. When you think about like. Why do you want to do pointless stuff. It's like. Every time when we do something. Every time we do a project. It's always like. In my mind. Right. A lot of time. Like in Singapore. It's successful. You're like. Oh my gosh. I want to do this. This. I must have the object name.  Because it's always telling me. You need to earn more money. Earn more money. Revenue. Revenue. Cut cost. Cut cost. Like. Okay. Like sometimes. But sometimes. When you start to do like. Pointless stuff. If you really start to see.  In coding. That's it. So this is like. The whole point of. Doing like pointless stuff. Which is like. You just. Reignite that passion and fun. In coding again. That's it. That's my top. What's your next pointless project? Next pointless. I actually want to do like. A Raspberry Robot. Which I can send people. And shoot out themselves. Yeah. It's just like. Really fun. Take a while. It's gonna take a while. Yeah. It's like. Because if I come into my room. Without permission. Yeah. Okay. So I think it's it. Because anyone else. Any more questions? Any more questions? Okay. It's not that. That's it. Thank you.


All right, everybody welcome back to another stream. Hopefully you guys are doing great Without further ado, let's get started Isn't gay essay pretty much Yeah went down as we intended sort of you can see sort of patterns and recognitions that we sort of talks about we hit the 16500 level and then some as you can see I mean the spread wise it's still within 25 pips That's easy to count your blessings on That's on the spot side. I should look at the futures See that spread difference game about 50 about $50 difference But again just pulls it away Same thing you can see that we don't really have that 16500 from yesterday show up On this side too. Well, that's why you want to contrast both sport and futures to see what both people are doing Again the sentiment from yesterday did did pay dividends. We did end up like I said noticing this a longer term trend of absorption coming to play And this longer terms of absorption again led to one final sort of stop out where they got rid of Out of the positions on the futures market and that's the only reason they did did want to go down So it's no surprise that they did pull back up after the fact Just looking at sort of this you can see this insane decline in sort of CBD and just sort of absorbing that all that sort of nonsense As you can see people bought this sort of swing Let me look at that here Okay As you can see we sort of drop down We just missed that 16500 not really something that you want along on but you see this sort of steady climb But in itself, it's not really bearish. It could be to the right person But what really makes us bearish and standoffish is the fact that it's it's something that we can identify as a Swing failure pattern and we've talked about this before Especially when we have levels that we want to hit we see sort of a collection of sort of longs accumulating best way to do this is Get rid of the relative as you can see just these longs just entering in and just feeling comfortable to enter and they're like Oh, cool. We need to we need to go down, but we've run out of longs. How do we do that? How do we go down from here? Well, we add longs back into the market and so that's what they did So you can see they add longs back just swing failure things just missed a view out by a bit But that's neither here or there and just pushes it all the way down sort of into this sort of cluster And you can go into your map settings and turn off or turn auto on you can see yeah, it's a lot better Why don't I have it up this high anyway? There we go The only sort of concern and the reason why you may want to have one to take profit early was this wall here at sort of 16500 as you can see that comes in here pretty sort of substantial Maybe you'd have take profit here. Just seeing this just like arcade TP one here and be like, hmm There's a chance at this like let's say 25 to 30% chance that this does this and just pulls back down It gives you a second leg and an entry entry there But in this case it didn't really do that because they just wanted to move away. So it's just in a little half Batman sort of thing Pretty decent sort of go on and just really just ended back where it was yesterday and just ready for Tuesday now Now Tuesday is already consoling on this high. We're pretty heavy on these longs If we go back and look at sort of our weekly view you can see Monday's high Monday's low This is what Tuesday uses as a range to trade So you can see that every time we went above the range you see one two three constant amount of weeks and all of this is heavy Long so we know this is long territory Now we're looking for a way to drop this down. Maybe hit Monday midpoint get that large second leg sort of territory coming in And then just taper off just because this I feel like this is too heavy long to sort of facilitate any Sort of up climbs out being super aggressive and then super dumpy afterwards It's it's one of the things where it doesn't look right, but surely can go up if they want to play with people but necessarily Doesn't need to at this point because right now. It's just collected a bunch of longs Not too many liquidation so you can tell they're pretty fresh longs and they're pretty sort of new orders from people who are sort of Wanting to get into the market And you can even see on the spot that they started Buying spot as well spot positions. So they're getting comfortable in terms of retail wise but Necessarily necessarily they don't feel sort of different. It's like, okay, cool. We got a retest.  It only goes up It never does anything else price will look breakout like this And so on and so forth But we've got a sort of run the possibility that before we go up We'll probably see some downwards movement It just sort of say shade and get rid of sort of these buys here as well as the longs from the top Let's go over to ES and see how that did The pre-market there we go Let's see pretty similar to sort of what Bitcoin did again just guiding Bitcoin basically CC that's the spread we know we can start the spread out You can see stop hunted spread here very soft. You can see that drop incoming And this is just stuff you can easily find You can see that the price setting here And there's one of the benefits of using sort of anything that has The spread here. I mean if you're watching it bang on this and you get the spread instantly bang on G But bookman pass it recorded for me. So there you go But you can see this sort of long here Just instant decline and say, okay, you know what? And the only trouble is this area here We could have just declined off of that But they just push boarded on this area here after a couple of swings Gain pretty heavy longs here pretty heavy longs here some sort of selling Into this. So maybe we come back down back into this. We're already at the V app We see if that retest and see if that drags Bitcoin down further Relativistically, uh, it's moving it's moving a lot ahead So the position where it's at Bitcoin needs to be probably ideally be here Sort of match it pace to pace by pace or pound for pound However, you want to call it in terms of other things to know not really too many things we can know I mean, I can cut things here. You guys have your analysis for the depth of you know, I have to go on Uh, but we know that we're potentially looking for downwards The question is where do we go? I think we conservative estimate look for Monday mid Uh, 16500 works out nicely Uh, just Maybe even higher slightly higher at 1650 1600 but Generally in this vicinity, that's where you're probably looking to uh crash price down then pull back up I mean, we can look at sentiment today and see what that's happened. See what's happening there Gain sentiment's pretty much coming down As expected, I mean it's it's tapering off Uh He was still using I think bitcoins for techno That's funny. Uh, but no But even though we did sort of have a decent day I mean, yes, they just they consolidated people like oh, yeah, it's it's so bearish and then they are trading overly bearish probably might be bullish on this swing here, but That would be probably full hearty at best Looking at I think we don't have too many news points, uh to Tell a lie. There we go Uh, yeah, that's coming in a minute building permits. So housing. So this should uh spice things up hopefully in 15 seconds Let's look at book map for this Got that wall hitting into there. They they want to really hold this Usually they would like to remove these and let it drop a bit further. So we see if we can get that drop Uh, there we go. There we go removed On the dot at 9 30 timing for the news anticipating something out of it Not really getting the reaction that we you probably wanted.  We're not really getting that massive sell-off bearish news wasn't too overtly bearish I actually haven't seen the news but Generally looking at this they're just hitting into this See if they just pull it up then just pull it back down If you're looking for to be bearish you're looking for a whip. So like that Uh, bullish is the other way you want you want down to be a first sort of movement Uh, just so it clears out the wrong side or the right It would clear out the right side, which is the longs And that's how you pretty much like that's that's the basis for most training It's just okay, which side did it clear out? Did it clear out longs? Did it clear out shorts? Okay, if so, uh, is it gonna reverse? Man most likely. Uh, there we go Remove it again. See if that gives us enough sort of pressure to push down Kind of want to see where es is at is that will sort of move better Do you expect crypto negotiations to have a bad impact on coins? I hope they do. I hope they do Uh, that's not be me me being cynical, but I'm more optimistic. I think regulations are Needed I mean, I mean hear me out Uh, to a certain extent then you did, uh, european legislation's not so much europeans have Uh, what is there's a terminology for this? It's it's the british have the complete opposite where, uh, it's It's not it's a negative It's a negative right or set negative law where you have sort of lawful things where european They have to specifically sort of say what you're allowed to do what you're not allowed to do Whereas british old law the common law. They like to call it uh well You have your right to live in that's it like That's it like pretty much it's it's the best thing because It's it's not like oh, yeah, you can't do this. Oh, you have you can do this so do this uh, but legislation in that aspect where you get What'd you call it? You get sort of the ball rolling and sort of it's it's more sort of consumer safety rather than being politically charged Good thing bipartisan bills and there we go Uh, we'll have sort of great effect. I mean e-law makes a good in reigning in big tech but at the same time like The pretty incompetent most parts in terms of like actual human law Uh, and just like giving people general freedom europeans But generally, uh, yeah, like I said, it should be a decent thing if altcoins dying dies good Hopefully this will stop the constant crusade of just random altcoins just popping out of nowhere if we have sort of verification or sort of Uh, not even verification if we start having sort of proper sort of vetting of product Not produce of projects Okay, kind of disappointed in in the sort of swing here Uh, it's again expecting a bit sort of better reaction out of this again Yes, it's it's considerably like it's basically around here relative to this Kind of wanted to match at pace, but I mean we're getting that sort of short coming in here What we wanted we want to clear out these sort of longs at these tops here Uh, still haven't done so so just waiting now sitting on sitting on hands Uh and knees No, uh, but just waiting for it to sort of just pile itself down I mean, it's already starting to go below the levels of where these longs have been accumulated Which is a good sign. Uh, so hopefully we can get some aggression Downwards get these liquidated and then we get go back and move to the right direction But it looks like yes is already done with what it wants to do. So Actually, no looking out heavy these longs. I might just be a A swing failure See these we monitor this look just adding back at this level. So it's still sort of within territories that you consider Uh, it could just come back down and then just call it and then say, ah, I'm gonna go sleep Uh, these walls moving up do support it up a bit. So do you want to see those tripular way? See not too much movement coming in as you can see if we start zooming in you can see that start heavy sort of sort of gradual climb and cvd Uh, just caused caused by sort of, uh, this sort of rapid movements just not really Causing too much sort of fast and kerfuffle Again trying to pull this down as soon as this sort of comes back down You'll probably be a lot safer for an entry on that Rather than whatever's happening here Why does it always want to not keep me? There we go That's too far out There we go. Yeah, there we go Uh, just lucky level of long is just sort of very sort of Dementing itself as long as under here. We want to liquidate them. See if we go again 16 650 all the way to 16 500 Is where we've got our potential sort of buffer area What it turns her into Uh, once we sort of get those we could potentially see so again 1600 I was 16 650 around here 16 500 around here, sir In quite a way off, but considering we have a bunch of lungs here and a lot of breakout trading by these wigs It could be something that we're looking for All in due time Uh, let's sort of grab and then look at sort of altcoins Not real coins with a slight theorem because I know someone will always ask me But it's about that time there um Again similar thing like that's why I really look at theorem in terms of a lot of book wise because it's just the same thing as bitcoin pretty much Is is does this look different? No Uh, just more heavy on these longs. You can see there's just insane levels of lungs But I mean to be expected there is a smaller coin. Uh, so there's a should be plenty more trades available Uh or contracts however you want to say it but again the same thing just heavy on these longs People trade this flag. They keep buying the breakout of the flag We we're trading on the high side, which is again a good sign for us again We're looking for this to try come back down uh to where again probably looking at these two areas 1200 and 1180 See if we can get there at some point Or we just rip this uh in half then pull this back down on for thursday Because remember, uh, I mean ahead of time we were planning like, okay I would give could be bullish up until a certain point and these numbers, uh That's that's what I think of these numbers Uh personally in comp friday, I think that's sort of the major one that we're looking for. Uh, also Canadian I had something on wednesday. Yeah inflation rate for canadia and GDP growth rate as well Thursday so Thursday friday could slam us if we start holding this uh unjustly in terms of We start climbing this and just like ah What's happening? It's just long into r then it just does this But generally I don't like that in terms of structure wise Hate that in terms of long terms of holding you can see what happens when we do that. We just go up or Like it just doesn't it never usually is nice. It's never usually sort of complete And I think that's sort of the main purpose the fact that it just doesn't end up Doing too much so they can just do this add and finish them And just cause constant sort of panic, you know how they are You know how they are Again coming up to sort of that. Well, I said in GTC god damn Um, there we go coming up to that sort of 9 30 10 o'clock, which we like to sort of look at 10 o'clock. We like more This 10 is a true trader's trade. Oh my god Uh, look at some old coins. Look at some levels. Hopefully they fix the data's no they haven't why Why you do this to me? Can I try a different data provider?   Okay. We just have to look at low time frames. Oh god damn. It's just insufferable Okay Ignoring that we can see so all we come we're coming down with all tapering and same thing are happening. I mean Sure, we're trading a bit lower, but we're cheating back to here. Oh, no, that's not straight Oh god There we go. That's straight between and back to that volume area here as you can see just sort of collecting sort of longs You can break out longs here here and here just gradual. We already got a dub A double second leg to this we might expect a second leg to that second leg Maybe if we sort of spike it down a bit further, but again just held off that area here generally doesn't look too bad for that sort of downswing and then the uh The recovery on the up Uh, that sort of will be basically what I'm trying to look for I mean, we'll see if they hold just above this and doubt out They will looking at bitcoin if they just ah And just do this, but I think generally you're looking for probably 86 Just around here generally where these bars are Uh, again, I know this pretty sort of big get some numbers. Yeah, eight six nine Nice eight six, uh eight seven five around there just looking at sort of things where these volumes are Uh, you see on the one hour the eight seven five makes It's more dividends. It's just having a sort of line there And terms are sort of zone wise. I mean, no, this is just getting typical sort of They buy this That's the fact they long every time they get and they get liquidated They get liquidated then they goes back into the direction and say, oh, look, it's a it's a Bart Simpson Oh, yeah, how did I not see that? Ah Hit the bed make it pump. No make a dump man Make a dump Oh god damn They're just holding it up unnaturally so I don't want to Of want to see What they're doing because uh Yes Again, just pulling this bit up again just sort of prop up sort of beds Getting sort of longs in I mean Not too many right now, but we're so in that sort of upswing some again still sort of leaning to that side where we go down Even on bitcoin similar sort of structure where we do have that sort of long on that on that leg So again could identify that as potential sort of failure to hit down Down down give 10 40 entry Yeah What'll be 10 40 we will see if we have anything in in between to say no 10 30 Uh, I mean Yeah, maybe Argentina's current account That's funny. Oh, yeah, Argentina one.  That's why I hate the French I don't know man something in my blood Just can't explain any time I see a French person Frenchman I think French Yeah, god damn Yeah, so again Easy to hit points. This one's a lot more down. I think like I said dot is just like moving Like it doesn't want to do anything with this life like probably Probably like One of the worst sort of all coins. I think it's soon to follow the way of the dodo bird I mean even Salana looks better Actually, no Salana looks like it's in the same terrible straight Uh, just getting falling below After this sort of high swing from last week just falling below this area here I mean, it's it's hard held up nicely as long as it's not looking trade above this area here Straight back into these we could we could potentially see something out of it Uh, but generally I think It's not it's not the time to be caring about these sort of pump and dumps these sort of our one time one time coins Normal French That's funny Damn it No, that's interesting avax now at a weekly level you can see that once we hit that That very nicely on these short sides. I mean similar to everything else, but now we have sort of a defining level here Uh, it looks more like at them than it does uh dot or Salana Just the way it's sort of held nicely But generally sort of you can see that I've sort of been trading around in the sort of range between the daily and that weekly And the data point it just it's just Just in free range to look at Okay, now it doesn't want to work great Not like I needed you anyway Look at mob corn Nothing too much gain The analysis could have been like 10 minutes like like risk speaking You you guys know how I feel about an hour long video every day It's awesome. You're right And because you run out of things to say because you said it the previous day or you said it's just a recap It doesn't need to be this comprehensive because again it's Bloody easy I mean that in the Pretty possible. It's just it's just not rocket science Looking at daily for avax Get out into this again Long term sort of weekly level we're sort of holding that right now If you sort of fall on this it's it's sort of I think we still let that slip Uh, generally, I think uh, we'll probably find our way slowly back up. You can see where we're We have slight ranges and why am I not just marking this out Light levels that the in Makes sense to hit just under where we have this one here. So we have a slight buffer here So maybe if you get a retest like this that's more Concurrent with a potential higher sort of trick higher probabilities trade But you can trade every direction you want. I'm not trying to stop you or you can just wait for the better odd Cut yes, why not let's see if that date is messed up. No, it's not. Okay So it's just a crypto thing. Huh, go figure Probably a buy that thing They're just like sitting everything back to zero like ha ha you have no money now All your beats are ours Uh, we dropped down pretty soon substantial God damn can't speak Uh, we dropped down pretty substantially See just holding within the sort of this daily level we talked about this daily level Just playing with it right now The ideal scenario is trying to come above that and trying to pull up pull higher Uh, I think that does make the most sense. We can sort of try hit out Potentially into sort of these levels if we can get there The journey doesn't look good if we do for end up falling Probably see just take out these liquidity points if it does this And then we'll sort of just slowly find this way probably back into sort of this territory, uh Three six three three probably bring bitcoin down a bunch with it but It's christmas time people. It's it's it's for profit taking I mean you guys should be spending time with family anyhow Uh Test the season to be jolly La la la la la la Don't we now actually I don't even remember it Yes, don't we know Got sliced yesterday by us jp jp You got sliced and diced by the japanese.  Were you longer short? And I don't know why Interesting You got your monthly levels. Yeah, I'm here to mark out all these new levels But they all were cold so when you were closer to the day You'll look at sort of well You can see like these blue dots get sprinkled around just make There you go Just one two three Ah I just bouncing but up and below as soon as you get that you start hitting that here Here you go that cluster here probably looks better on the owl. I think look at the on the owl actually I'll leave you after how many years after yeah, okay fair enough. Uh, yeah Uh, just need time that's that's again with most things Was long damn son Yeah Yeah, but let's go to the anything like after a while you you start like once in the If you can get to a stage where you where you're you're bored with things that means you're probably mastered the thing you're doing but Yeah, it sure takes time, but It's one of the things where Like most people just sweat it because they're trying to get rich quick If you're not trying to get rich quick, you'll have a better time Like hunt an overwhelmingly better time Well, actually this will be what was your reasoning for your long like what was the reasoning like In and understanding your reasoning then we can understand maybe where you'd uh went wrong Wait, did you long like this? She's like, oh, yeah, that's like heavy volume And in the middle of no man's sky No second leg nothing just one for slow down. Let me just ask the bottom I mean, it does make sense not to trade this Like you got jpe news coming Friday Not Friday does it So probably prepping for that. So I don't think you want to trade until then till then Yeah, because this could easily slide a lot lower like just looking at things I mean it alternatively could hold here if fully stops here and it does bounce off of this It's a decent trade. Don't get me wrong, but generally looking at it just because it's sort of uh Sort of uh, you're looking at sort of that Friday Uh, Thursday Friday just see that data point And then once we get those uh data numbers all we get that sort of decline up into that day Uh, then we can sort of trade better. No, it is a Friday. It's Thursday eat Yeah, it's it's a Friday in jippy time It could I mean if you want to get that interest in today play maybe try it And that is a very shallow risk if you're looking at that I want to look at it in terms of ranges wise I always do it the other way around. I'm always stupid Uh No, yeah, no Probably like I mean unless it runs a bag you're not really looking For too too much downside or what it's what moves 50 sort of whole pips I mean usdjp moves are 100 on average in terms of fast uphands. I mean it could be very aggressive sometimes Wait, it's not even is it even set properly? Uh, no, it's not Hmm, try and remember if it's correct or not. I don't think it is No, it is major major. Yeah. Yeah, it is. There we go. Yeah, that is correct A lot tighter than I'd like. Yeah, it's 100 100 100. Yeah, cool Yeah, it just moved insane sort of slide it down Hmm massive points Yeah, probably not looking at this until sort of uh, so we get news Uh looking at sort of daily things probably might slide it all the way until like 330 See that sort of just blow it off on someone's face Uh p o j in straights projectual minus Yeah It's that nice. It's coming up. Yeah, there we go. Uh building permits in Don't think that caused the drop doesn't really make sense long why they want that Uh Yeah, once we I think that's the main thing just get the interest rates things then we'll get the sort of direction If yen looks if japan's economy starting to fall so it would drop again Once to go higher so I didn't uh, ah Hold down for the structure after I took uh, okay 6.2.  Oh, that's sadness.  It's a thought. That's yeah But yeah, it's a learning as long as you can learn from it. That's that's the major thing like It's a loss, but try turn it into an experience like for the future Those things like um, you know what next time let's be less greedy Uh, then then slowly slowly you'll understand where your where your greed tolerance is some people have that sort of okay After seven point, they'll just see they'll see green and just just run away with things And and the brain will just go bunga bunga And and it's just like won't work anymore. And you can't even sort of turn into anything PC Say more say mode Looking for that to come down. Hopefully it does. Ah the status starts to take me off And it was present everything. Ah the whole crypto market just died just killed me Dice me man I just a spot You can see how how that spot buy is coming in Reduce that entire day currently not too much volume insane volume here Maybe to the moon next year.  Is that confirmed? In fact, is that a confirmed insider tip? Because I don't keep up with that. I would not You can buy on AliExpress I want to google it but I know I'll get banned You should like nope Bookmouth like what the hell did you just show? Okay Wait, China's already making knockoffs Like oh, Japan have released a knockoff.  I rather not Can it cook and clean? If it oh Jesus look at that layering of biz.  They're really preparing for something Or do I have to get a separate machine like a dishwasher and a washing machine? There we go. Come on man. Be aggressive man. Go for it Put that into that bed. You can do it You can do it. I believe Can't go clean but can argue.  It's like all you want out of me is what I was made for like. Oh, why couldn't you just like talk? Oh, that sounds you know It just shows the state of sadness like people can't afford To live with another and stop like is it just Japan things like they can't afford to like have a family Uh, and so they just work like they they work dog hours like they work like 60 hour weeks like which is Oh at least in the uk for a period of 60 Yeah, 17 consecutive weeks like rolling weeks is illegal. It's 48 hours. You can't work more than you can't Yeah, 48 hours a week and you have to have uh 40 well 48 either 240 either two either 48 consecutive hour stretch of breast or two uninterrupted, uh, 24 hour ones It's like you just think about it like, okay, they don't have time to start a family Uh, they're too busy working. There's I don't like this is the thing. Why do you need to work 60 hour weeks? Are you that? Are you that inefficient that you need that extra time? Like half of the time things can be done like in half half that like Basically, they're working robots and they make robots exactly They just need something like I don't know man Japan is a nice place to visit. I don't think uh, many people can live there Like see sell weeks for me sounds like a dream because I like working Uh I don't know man.  That's I think the Japanese government got it got everything down Like they're too busy with work. They cut they don't question whatever the government does like I don't know if you guys know this but in the world war two, uh, the Japanese government had comfort statements, uh, comforts comforts comfort stations. Jesus. Why is that so hard to say? In where uh, and and and you can sort of filling the gaps here because I'm trying to keep this PG uh, where quotations nurses would Comfort soldiers, uh, and it was just and like there's this one, uh, survivor who's just talking about it The government just push under the rugs. No one questions the thing everyone moves on like japan Like everyone thinks that's a magical place. Oh my god. The people are great. Oh my god. It's everything's about it's great, but it is like Some level of Crazy over there. Like it's just it's just absolutely. Yes and nine like how how much like you just walk left ones It's just crazy Like god damn I think after world war two they started mellowing out to some certain extent but Most cases they did like pre-world war two even I even actually yeah, like Utilistic japan everything is just insane like the stuff they got up to Okay, I'm just distracted now Thank you guys It's another Okay, you know, I'll cut it here because I mean it's just slowly coming down. There's not there's not too much I'll probably hit there you go. There's yes. You're trying to hit into this very thick bid Uh all the way up until sort of the view up Uh once that sort of hits that thickness We may see some uh something on the counter It's super safe. That's why people like it It's super safe in japan What kind of crack are you on? Do you know where it's safe in? Singapore Go Singapore Like the safest country, Singapore One of the I don't know if it's the penultimate but ultimate But it's it's one of the safest countries Like they they've they've gone like hundred hundred a stretches without a single case of theft like I don't know consecutively but like It's very low crime rate It's just a very nice place in general Whereas Japan is just a whole lot of Whole lot of crazy man I They say don't leak a country twice as like like whatever japan's been up to is like in recent modern times, but like Before before uh new kingdom There are a lot more crazy Uh, they're higher than general IQ the safer No, they're more depressed. Uh, what time zone am I? I'm utc No, like the higher IQ are the more deaths. Uh, more depressed. They are Why do you think suicide rates are so high 60 hour weeks plus, uh There's no there's no progression like here's the thing like if you watch anime and then I haven't watched anime in a while Uh, I know a cringe but Like they they they they have this thing called isekai, which is another world where they would like writers Are just fantasizing about getting hit by a truck They would rather get hit by a truck and transported to another dimension and live vicariously through that Through anime books manga, whatever it may be And just dream of that. I was like, oh one day A truck will hit me and I will no longer and it won't be suicide. It'll be manslaughter It'll either be manslaughter or murder. It was like, ah, yes. Let's go. We can remove the sigma Like a hundredth and there are like a couple of people just waiting for a truck to hit them in japan Like there's no doubt in my mind and I can say that was was absolute confidence They're like, ah, when's this when's this truck coming for me? Oh Okay, you know this this actually videos just derailed. I I actually need to take a break I was uh, it was going good until someone mentioned something Okay, uh, yeah, I think I'm gonna cut it here Not too much to say too much. I just watch for these sort of rebound after that sort of retest 10 o'clock is coming up now about an hour. So you've got time to kill You can fiddle around a bit get come to eat You should have time to enter into a position Generally looking for a base and if you if you don't have like the location indicator you can watch it on uh bookmap web You can watch it on bookmap web, uh, then And and and then see see where the liquidations are as soon as you get liquidations Uh, that's when you know, you're probably likely to reverse Uh, it was a higher chance. We've got a couple of levels gained 16 500 1600 variable today, uh, retracement today. I think that's that's more things retracement if we get the retracement we're looking for Um, maybe a bullet bullish, but generally currently looking at things There's your resistance There's your there's your bunch of uh long inventory. We want to clear that out As soon as we clear that out we can reverse it Uh, that's pretty much my sentiment for today. Thank you guys so much for coming today. Uh, I hope you guys Have a lovely day and trade safe I will see you tomorrow Peace


give me your tired, huddled masses yearning to breathe free. Emma Lazarus on the base of the Statue of Liberty in 1883. And it was a statement of the American openness to diversity, to immigration, Ellis Island, the whole experience. And it lasted for a while. But there came a time in the 20s and 30s when it was no more. And the country turned in on itself and stopped tolerating and stopped allowing immigration just in time to reject the St. Louis, remember the St. Louis. So, you know, we don't have a good history in immigration. I'm sorry to say. And the question today is whether, when you compare our immigration policies and attitudes and sensibilities with Canada, whether Canada has been better. I suggest that maybe it may have been better. And Ken Rogers, a retired Canadian businessman in Kelowna, British Columbia joins us today as every couple of weeks to make that comparison. Welcome to the show, Ken. Hello, Jay. I really don't think that Canada's record is an awful lot better than the US. The US has certainly got some things that are better than anywhere else. For example, you know, there's more people living in the United States that were born in some other country than any other country on earth.  Now, but that relative to the US population that, you know, would not stand a good test. For example, about one in seven Americans or let's say permanent residents in the United States were born somewhere other than the United States, where in Canada, it's just about a quarter. And Australia is like 30%.  And they compounded each other and made a real mess. But, you know, the US is just in the last few months has really entered a new phase where they have a unique mess on the southern border where you have nearly half a million people a month, you know, coming in. I mean, it's just way, way more than the US has had.  You know, that's a dramatic change. So one can understand why, you know, the governor of Texas is jumping out of his cake, you know, whether he thinks his methodology to get the point across makes any sense or is, is at least bit humane. Certainly, you know, it highlights the problem. You know, I remember my wife and I went to Europe back in the early 70s. And we were trying to drive driving driving from France to Germany. And we looked around at this town that we had just entered. And it was a German town. It wasn't French. And I said, where's the border? We crossed some river. But it was, you know, not really noticeable. There was no guardhouse. There was no, you know, no guardrail at all. We just drove down the road into Germany. So this is new. Europe has, you know, dropped borders. And, you know, for time, even in the context of think tech, you know, the song we were singing, the phenomenon we were observing was that the borders in Europe had essentially dissolved. There were no borders. It was a very optimistic time and enlightened time that you could have Europe, which was so focused on borders up to that point, lose the borders, dissolve the borders. Then there came the migrants, what you described in Lebanon. And it was a big problem because there were virtually millions of people coming out of the Middle East and Central Asia trying to get to a better life in Europe. And that tension existed between, though we do the moral things, so we allow them in or across our country to be, you know, try to take care of them, or should we turn them around because they do create an economic problem and a political problem, you know, our natural, our citizens in this country don't like it. And that happened in many, many countries, if you recall. And it's not a long time ago. This is what, 10, maybe 15 years ago.  Angela Merkel was a leader. And she, you know, maybe it was a German guilt thing, or it was just her, you know, enlightenment, she let them all in. And she gave them jobs. She made a life for them. And the German people accepted that. And Germany was special in those days. I remember running into a young woman who was here in Hawaii Pacific University, and she was Swedish. And I said, I asked her, what do you think of the migrants? And she said, I'm really sad that my country, Sweden, is so hard on the migrants, I would rather my country be just like Germany. And I think, you know, Angela Merkel is right. But you know, like all the history can, it changes. And it changes every day. And what I have described to you, and what you have described to me, is in the process of change right now.  And so in this country, we have an expression of racism. There's no other way to look at it, racism. And my question to you is, do you have racism in Canada? We have racism. But, you know, some things about Canadian immigration might surprise a lot of people. For example, this year, Canada's expected to bring in about 425,000 new immigrants. Now that would be, you know, far more relative to Canada's population than the U.S. has been doing for years and years. And you've had this recent problem at the southern border. But your southern border problem is about the same scale as what Canada is standing on its head to accomplish rather than fight. But one of the surprising things racially is the largest source of the immigration is from India.  You can find people in Kelowna, a small city in, you know, 50,000 in Western Canada, you know, 500 miles from the ocean is, you know, you've got to, you can see or hear people speaking Punjabi on the street, another similar one, you have Cantonese, but, you know, Canada will bring more than 100,000 people from India this year. Where the U.S., you know, has had about 50% of the immigrants coming in have been from Latin America, you know, half of them from Mexico and the other half spread around between the other South American and Central American countries. But, you know, Canada's not immune from its, you know, social problems. We don't start with a large mixture, you know, like the U.S. probably has, you know, 60 million people of Mexican or Latin American heritage and, you know, 40 or 50 million blacks, but Canada doesn't, didn't start with either.  You're well-trained in business, finance, economics, all that. You know, I've always thought that human resources are the most valuable asset to an economy. And that a country that does allow immigrants in, if they're trained, it's all the better, but even if they aren't trained, they're the best resource you can have to develop an economy. And all you have to do is manage them. You have to, you know, when they first come in, you have to, you can't over-regulate them. You have to let them live. You have to let them eat. You have to let them find a place to live. But after a while, they're very valuable to you. They build your economy. They build, they're usually immigrants are better motivated because they've had a hard time. And they come in and they make businesses and they start. Singapore is a good example of that. But so my question to you is, am I right from a business, finance, economic point of view? Are immigrants a resource that helps build a country or are they a burden? For sure. With a little bit of time, they are a great contributor to a country. In fact, the reason that Canada's government is so strong on pushing for a high amount of immigration and why, you know, you know, too many places that people could possibly go to emigrate to, Canada looks like a good place or at least a more welcoming place than many others. Is that our birth rate is lower than almost any other, you know, advanced country on earth. Like the U.S. birth rate is less than, you know, two per woman of bearing age, you know, but it's not much under two. Canada's like about 1.3 or 1.4. And that, you know, to replace the baby boomers in the economy, you know, and to handle an aging population, you need an awful lot of talented workers. You know, for example, right now in Canada, between 35 and 40% of all physicians are immigrants. Between 35 and 40% of all pharmacists and all dentists are also immigrants. I mean, when you think of that, you know, Canada and the U.S. are both dealing with a shortage of adequate medical people. Well, how do you replace them, especially when the baby boomers are retiring? Well, I mean, if you have low birth rates, what do they call it, the hourglass start, you know, low birth rates, then ultimately if it's less than enough people to replace the existing population over a generation or two, that does affect your economy, doesn't it? Yeah. Japan is a great example of that. Japan has never welcomed immigrants.  However, you know, the United States, you know, the, let's call it white caucasians or whatever you call them, you know, their birth rate is no different than Canada's, you know, it's the growth, the birth rate in the U.S. relates really to the, to the non-caucasians. Yeah, that's so interesting. Because over time, the country changes in its complexion, you know, brown and black babies, more, and caucasians, stable or down. And so what you have is a change in complexion. And that, and that enhances the racism, doesn't it? You know, they will not replace us. We don't want them here. Send them back. Don't let them in. And this is translated into policy in, in Washington in the immigration service and the Department of Homeland Security. And I, I think we see that emerging, not only in the wall, you know, across the southern border, but we see it emerging in Washington. We see it emerging in so many ways. And that it's really not, A, it's not sustainable as an economic factor, as we discussed, but it's also not sustainable as a legal factor, call it, you know, equity, call it justice, call it social, social, you know, fairness. And, you know, it goes to a bit, if you look for the enlightened view economically and socially, what you get is relax the border. You get public policy that is open, more open on immigration. And we don't have that. So what's, what's the sensibility in, in Canada about that?  I mean, I know them, you must know them and they, and they settled in Canada. And in many ways it was preferable to settle in Canada then to settle in the U.S. Some of them as a, as a phase two came to the U.S. You know, the first stop was in Canada, which would be easier to come in, you know, get into. And second phase was trying to get across the southern border into the U.S. And a lot of, a lot of people I know made that trip from Canada to the U.S., Europe to Canada to the U.S. And I think that's so with the Asians too. I was, I was very surprised looking at some statistics the other day that, that there is approximately 800,000 Canadian people born in Canada that now live in the United States or are, you know, permanent residents of the U.S. But there's a million Americans living in Canada. You know, I was surprised there were slightly, you know, roughly the same but, but slightly more. Now I'm not, those, those statistics would not include somebody if they were, you know, born in Ukraine, came to Canada and then went to the U.S.  Speaking of Ukraine, it gives me an example of, of the kind of biases that occur in both Canadian and U.S. immigration. Canada has, you know, already admitted more than 100,000 Ukrainians. Now the Ukrainian mess is less than a year old. Now, on the other hand, you know, Canada was a major ally in the Afghan war and had the same scenario as the Americans that, you know, where he should help all the people that helped us and everybody who was at risk from the Taliban. Well, Canada might have less than 40,000 Afghans that they're even going to have total and less than half of them have, have now arrived in Canada.   Like I'm surprised, for example, in Canada, we have special immigration policies for anybody from a British Commonwealth country.  Now, you know, obviously people from an African country might think, you know, if they use the same Commonwealth thinking, they might prefer Australia because the weather's similar closer to what they're used to. The image of Canada's weather where somebody from, you know, the Orient, like we have a ton of people from Hong Kong, like that's where we get Cantonese as there's a district in Vancouver where the language in the district, the signs in the shops are Cantonese. You know, because they come from via Hong Kong and they know that Vancouver has really nice weather. You know, where some poor guy in Africa, he would think Canada, they play hockey, it must have all ice and snow. So where's this going? You know, I mean, in my heart I would like to see, you know, open borders, that's what I would like to see. But I know that a lot of people don't like that idea, really in a lot of countries all over the world. And I know also that if you don't manage the people who come across an open border, that's going to have an economic effect on you because you'll have to take care of them. I give great credit to the Poles and the Eastern European countries who have accepted the Ukrainians without hesitation and given them, you know, food and shelter and what have you. But I wonder what happens if this invasion lasts for longer, for a year, for two or three. You know, the Ukrainians better get cracking on finding jobs and contributing to the economy and being, you know, part of the economy in those countries. They may, they may not, we'll see. But I think it's management. And if you manage it well, I think an open border is just fine. But I don't think a lot of people agree with me. You agree with me? Oh, I definitely agree with you economically. You're, you do not need to be discriminatory like Canada is generally in terms of the economic ability of the person that's emigrating because, you know, in Canada, you can't get to Canada, you know, by walking across a border, you know, unless you're going to walk from the United States. Well, you know, you can go either way and it doesn't make much difference. But the Canadian emigration biases anybody with good training.  However, history shows that the emigrants that have no skill, like the United States used to just let anybody that could possibly make it to the Ellis Island come in prior to 1924, I think it was when the US started to, you know, mess up their immigration. No, they, they started requiring a sponsor and people had to sign off and had to have some money in your pocket or your sponsor had to have some money and, and that cut down a lot of the immigration. And then their policies, even during the Roosevelt administration were, you know, the result of some racial prejudices. And that's why the Jews trying to get out of Europe had such a hard time to come to the US. The US would not accept them. The State Department was racist. This is all covered in Ken Burns' movie on the Holocaust, which is at pbs.org right now. You've seen part of it and so have I.  But the United States would not accept them to come in, in safety. And you know, it all goes to a larger issue I want to ask you about.  They're going to be looking for a better life in the US or anywhere where they can escape the gangs and the government. Why doesn't the US try to improve life in El Salvador? You know, is it, is it, do we care about our brothers and sisters in El Salvador? Or do we just shut it down and let it be their problem? And then, you know, wonder and worry why they're stacking up on our border. I have no great answer for that. However, I could come back to our previous point. It was that the unskilled workers that showed up in Ellis Island, you know, the history has shown that they were great contributors to the American economy. Similarly, you know, in Canada, we have a foreign workers program where, you know, when we have, for example, we have orchards in the area where I live.   And so the employer or the companies could get the approval of the government to bring in, you know, foreign workers. Most of the time they were Mexican, you know, for the particular area where I live in those orchards. But it didn't take very long before those Mexican temporary workers could apply and could apply for immigration to Canada and become accepted because they could then pass the odd test, you know, and they clearly were not going to be a drain on the economy. They weren't taking jobs that somebody else was lining up for. Where what I think is pathetic in the American push, anti-immigration push is where there's a pretty straightforward shortage of labor.  I mean, you know, when in U.S. history, if you ever had such a gap that there were more job, that many more job openings compared to unemployed people or anybody wanting to work. And so how can you not, you know, open the floodgates and bring in, you know, immigrants? Singapore is the best current example of a place where they let in all kinds of people. And the economy has boomed in the standard of living in Singapore is higher than it is in the United States now and it never used to be. I mean, it just has exploded in terms of its economic success.  But they have had, you know, way more immigration as a percentage of their existing population than the United States has even with the floodgate at the southern border right now.  It's okay to put barriers because, you know, it's in their collective interest to do that. I can't get too excited about that. But when they do it on a racist basis, I do get excited about that. And when they do it on an immoral basis, I can't tolerate that. And because I feel that going forward, and this is the question I put to you, going forward, what's going to happen? You know, right now we have, we have autocrats in a number of countries. They have an effect on immigration in and out. These autocrats make it, make you want to leave. They also don't want other people to come in. They want to control the border. So the notion of open borders gets actually further away for an autocratic country. Would you go to Russia right now? And if you were Russian, would you want to get out? The same thing with Hungary, the same thing with China and certainly, you know, other autocratic countries that, as well it comes to mind. But, you know, what my concern is that if you look forward, not only in this country, which I think is declining in terms of its moral openness, and I don't know about Canada, you'll have to tell me about, you know, the future of Canada. I don't see open borders. I don't see a moral imprimatur on this issue. I don't see a rational determination of policy. I see a lot of racism and autocracy, you know, to control the populations for purposes of retaining the autocrats in power. What do you think? Well, Canada is nowhere near having an autocracy. I know that. And we're, very much, I would call it pretty open borders. When the, you know, nearly a third of the new immigrants coming into the country are from India. You know, how the heck would you define open border any more than that? Well, you're lucky in the sense you have the Commonwealth tradition, the Commonwealth openness. That's a great thing for Canada. Well, we have tons of bigots the same as the US does, you know, or racists. And you have, you know, the basic concept of saying the United States was essentially like North West Europe, you know, and so you, you know, if you came from Sweden or Denmark or Germany or France or England, you were welcome to come to the United States and Canada because that's where everybody came from when the borders were pretty open anyhow. Well, then the US started the bias of saying, well, if you were from Southern and Eastern Europe, you weren't as welcome to the US, you know, where Canada didn't have that difference. That is, we have one in a quarter million people of Ukrainian heritage in Western Canada alone. You know, it's just huge. That's why we've got lots of people from the Ukraine wanting to come to Canada now. But, but I wouldn't think of a person from Ukraine as, you know, being a racial discrimination, you know, or, you know, the really skin color. Well, the United States is far more cosmopolitan than Canada is right now. I mean, you have probably more than a third of the US population is either black or brown. You know, that is not the case in Canada, but our open doors are getting there pretty quickly. Well, certainly the city I live in or Vancouver, you know, the big city on the west coast of Canada, they're certainly, you know, up to the US level of racial mix. Let me ask one last area here. And that is something that I've asked you about before. Let's assume that, you know, the US continues to have all its political problems, including the duration of the rule of law, the Constitution, all these social mistakes that the mistake is a mild word for it, that the Supreme Court and Congress are making. And I would like to come to Canada. American citizen born and raised in the US. How much trouble am I going to have to get to Canada or other places in the Commonwealth countries that might accept me as an American? Will I have a lot of trouble with taking a long time? No.  But if you're an educated American, and you are in Canada, and you can either look after yourself in terms of getting a job or financially, you know, that you'd have no sweat whatsoever. You know, stay in Canada as a permanent resident. It's very much like the reverse.   To Texas, you've got Eastern Canadians do the same going, you know, to Florida, not unlike somebody from, you know, Rochester, New York who retired may spend, you know, have a condo and spend the winter in Miami. So what's your, what's your, your sense of, of the border crossings now between the US and, and Canada would seem to me that a lot of Americans would want to at least take a look at that given the decline in the country. And I'm not sure if they are coming or seeing them. Are they applying for permanent resident status or citizenship. And on the other side, on the other side of that coin are Canadians applying for American. Are they, are they running away from Canada in the same fashion, or are they concerned about running to a place that's in decline. Oh, I, I don't think there's anybody running from Canada out of fear. You know, you have lots of Canadians look to the US for some, you know, for a job opportunity. You have lots of Canadians in all kinds of high jobs in the United States.  No, it's, it's really interesting the way, you know, that, that's overcomes everything. There was a, there was a piece in the paper this morning about, about American basketball players or was it volleyball players, despite the fact that, that tall black woman is in jail already for some long sentence. Russia, the one in Russia. Yeah. Yeah. In Russia, there are American athletes doing exactly the same thing that she was doing right now. They don't, they don't mind going. I guess it, it pays well and you get a lot of acclimation from the crowd. So, you know, at the end of the day for a lot of people, it's the economics that went out rather than the political, you know. Well, I, I okay, but I think in the end of political, maybe, maybe very important. And key to that, you know, like Griner, the name of the lady that's in, in the Russian jail, you know, she was there, you know, on an invitation and playing and traded really well and just got caught with, you know, Putin suddenly making a mistake and, and, you know, needing to get a couple of examples. I mean, it's just a very unfortunate to be in the wrong place at the wrong time where, you know, you got hockey players, you know, for example, the best hockey player for the, for the Washington Capitol happens to be a Russian.  And I mean, can you imagine the poor guy being asked by some American or Washington City news bureau saying, you know, tell me what you think of Putin, you know, and he had to, I mean, he's, he was born and raised in Russia. He's played for their national team when you have Olympics and, you know, and he's, you know, a hero in Washington City, you know, but don't try to embarrass the guy, you know, leave those notes and say, you know, how could you possibly answer that kind of question?  I'm afraid it's not like that anymore. Well, you know, this is a very interesting and I think I would conclude from this discussion that all the factors that we have talked about that affect immigration policy in the U.S. and Canada and elsewhere these days are on occasion, surprise, surprise, they're overcome by geopolitical issues, by international arguments and the like. And so, and that's the way it's always been. And that's that factor will always be in play. Well, thank you, Ken. Very interesting discussion, very interesting subject and we'll be back in two weeks with more. There are so many things we have to compare notes on. It's an endless list of possibilities. Thank you so much. Well, hopefully we can encourage more open borders all around the world. Yes, sir. I'm with you. Take care. Thank you so much for watching Think Tech Hawaii. If you like what we do, please like us and click the subscribe button on YouTube and the follow button on Vimeo. You can also follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and LinkedIn and donate to us at thinktechawaii.com. Mahalo.