That's my go sound all right Okay, I like it Unconventional already starting off with an extremely awkward note very good I mean, I don't even know because it's not quite like when you when you hit go It's like I think the stream starts like a few seconds after it hits I don't even know what they'll hear they might have just hit me breathing as a start and then they're like Yeah, I gotta go back to talking about will Smith You know you need you need like a big crank that you pulled out when you want to start the stream like I need an announcer and he bells to ring throughout my my town And so the fapping begins Faptime brothers about about will Smith. Yeah, I was gonna say you mentioned Gemini man. Has anyone here seen that? Some people don't even know it exists it is a 2019 action film it stars will Smith twice Oh The clone it's the clone one. Oh good. No, yeah So will will Smith continuing his His quest to never get an Oscar listen that film Jim and I man I will have you know that film lost 111 million. Oh, no So who knows what he's up to I Think I think he got beat out by The film it made seven and a half million on its first day to be fair Jim and I man starring will Smith. Well, I mean, I've never made seven and a half million in one day So I guess that is something I think even if you spread it all out I haven't made seven and a half million, you know in in years and maybe never yet Yeah, I think of all the times you've bought like a coffee or had a snack put them all together seven million probably Oh, well, I went to Starbucks once so I feel like I spent seven and a half Yeah, they're proper cheeky fuckers they We're here with the independent stay lingo No, no, but seriously, um Since they started doing the whole are you have to order your drinks on the app?  You have to put 10 quid in just to buy your five quid coffee It's a bit of a pistachio honestly Good thing. I don't like coffee So, yeah, they have to like hand you the coffee and everything, right? Oh, don't start dude. Don't don't don't ask questions They deliver it with a little robot You have to touch them to order it. You just you you speak to them at a distance I'm no picturing them like making the coffee and pushing it with a long pole toward you They have those little grabbers Here in Canada here in Canada, that's they've been using long poles with like a tray on them To like hand you your coffee. It's quite precarious. All right. Oh, no We made your coffee in a bread baker. I was about to say, do they ever drop them?   Yeah, well, hopefully it's after I have kids, I guess You're like, yeah, you can go ahead and sterilize me now. It's fine Daddy, how come I don't have any brothers or sisters? Blame Starbucks, son Let me tell you about a little shop called Starbuck. It was that double shot macchiato that did it That is mocha frappuccinos So, um, hello. Welcome to EFAP 93 Getting close from close and that's scary 100 number Uh 93 Wait, oh no weekend where you're you're even quieter than you were You don't have to stand on the other side of the room you could come closer. It literally sounds like It literally sounds like your laptop is in the garbage can on the other side of the room And he's yelling at it like, why don't you wait? That's the only corner of the room it gets reception Oh Is it working? No there I see the green circle and yet no words and yet And yet I have a green circle yet. I cannot scream weekend warrior has declared independence from his microphone Yeah, it's just it's lightened up, but nothing now. It got even worse. Oh, you know, I'm just glad that he's here Everyone, hey chat say hello to weekend warrior. He's here in spirit He's a little thumbs up like hey guys Um While while he's feeling with that then I guess we'll start we go ahead and uh, yeah first time new blood guest Aruni mr Armand skeptic, how do you do sir? Yo, it's an honor to finally be on the show. I've seen it several times. Thank you Yeah, I've been watching been watching you since uh, since we were all riffing on last jedi. You were Movie was so awesome You were colloquially known as the watermelon guy in my house for about a year I was there. There's a couple of people who are like, how come you didn't keep the watermelons? I mean, why didn't you keep the watermelons? It just it seemed like a one-time thing Um, Forteer is the only person who would actually know about this.  I was like, it's Simultaneously overt and it makes it so I don't have to do anything else with visuals. Woohoo not even like trailer on repeat And it and it it gave across the point. I think I was uh, I was very happy with it A lot of people were and then the next video comes out. No fruit. What's that about? I don't know That's how you evolve as a critic Uh speaking of no fruit. Happy july everybody. Oh, yeah, we made it Uh, what's what's the tune we should we should do for that? Like I make firework noises and Sing the patriot theme song Oh, that was a I was doing a thing, but four days ago was canada day and none of you said a word to me about it Damn Okay, that's how Al when's britain day Oh, yeah one We had v day like two months ago, but isn't yeah, isn't britain day just the queen's birthday like We don't have one like well, whatever it was gonna be. I'm sure it would be called racist anyway Like celebrated right now Yeah, I'm not going anywhere near not that I ever do but july 4th Is not the day for me to go anywhere near the shithole that's twitter Yes, I want to enjoy the independence day. I want to read them I only ever use twitter to snark and to contact people that is it.  No, no not at all. Um, we you rarely ever hear about all Sleepy arkansas every it's weird if you don't if you if you don't get political everyone just gets along.  Oh, man. It's co-existent. Can you imagine? Yeah, um, what are we what are we gonna we would do something we're gonna mention?  Uh, correct. That was that was my face reveal. That's right Look at that sunrise sunset all these different connections It's like four years ago now. Yeah, man. I was watching. I remember being like, oh my god. No way This is actually a thing. Yeah, yeah, and you've been sliding in my dms ever since absolutely Just uh, just just looking to get that armored perspective on lord the ring I Mean I've been keeping track of your uh, your albamedia stuff as well the uh, you know happy with star was Is it currently? Yeah, I don't know how that kind of became the thing on that channel But that's just like everybody's favorite thing is when I make fun of star wars That's fine by me because I mean that was the the ip I grew up with Oh, yeah, it's I was I was just like who did like the rise of skywalk It's gonna be tough to find you check all the reviews like nope Monday mad Oh I will have you know Did he get up a uh, hollywood reporter poll to prove that you know fans were did like it was Oh my god. Yeah, it must be good So to remind everybody who doesn't remember he when trying to prove that game of thrones season eight finale was liked He had what was it 60% of the the poll said that they liked it and he found some Yeah, and it was a poll It was a poll of I think 3 000 people and um, it was a small number and it was like basically just in california I think it was barely over a thousand. I think it was like 1100 made. It was like super small. I don't even think it was that much The hilarious part was that a large portion of them Had had chosen the option the option was like are you a fan? Are you not a fan are you like halfway in between and like the majority of them chose not a fan Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, 40 of the people surveyed.  I smell like a third of them. I like put down haven't watched it So it was like all of the people useless poll Well, here's an Oh, no, I was just gonna say here on an unpopular opinion though is I think that The writing was on the wall that that Something like that was supposed to happen that one of the dragons was supposed to destroy the city Like that that is kind of like part of an old Like yeah, it was There's pieces of foreshadowing that imply the king's land is going to get fucked up by a dragon I mean It is literally biblical like it's supposed to be the great dragon destroying the earth at the end Like that's the point and then like john snow is jesus, you know killing cersei the one he loves or whatever Like how is that like jesus?   She's having another one of hallucinations and it and it's the whole Remember who you are.  Come on. Please hurry up, please. I'd rather I'd rather wait than gets what we got It's just weird thinking that the last book came up when well 2011 and it's like Yeah, the um, I think I told rags this recently that the uh, I got into game of thrones Being like, oh next book is gonna be, you know, soon That book still isn't out Wow Well, I do think it's interesting that nowadays whenever people talk about game of thrones It's only about how it was ruined and how terrible it is That's the that's the topic that dominates the conversation whenever game of thrones Rather than talking about the insane scope of the story the influence all the great production values and acting Well, because obviously doing this whole lockdown bullshit, um, I think hpo like showed off like the like streaming numbers and Westworld and The wire and the sopranos were higher up in most view than the game of thrones You know, which would mean the the perfect time to watch all of game of thrones through and nobody well, I didn't nobody but you know Ever wanted to go watch the the sopranos instead. We're just well, they should but yeah That's um We're out with game of thrones. We often mention it's like remember that show. Yeah. Well, I'm not bitter or anything. No Um, we can worry. How's that? How's that microphone doing? Excellent Oh, he's he wrote in our chat here that his microphone literally got busted. So So what possession? I don't know It's a crazy time crazy time for police right now. So you can't have you can't have friends like that Or rounds you man. We'll drag you down Um Are you able to he got any other backup mic? So I feel I feel bad now Yeah, fiddle around with some settings. Just keep messing around with stuff and you yell hot enough Our other microphones might be able to pick you up around the world Yeah, we might just be able to hear y'all just open my window and yeah Little delay, but should be fine Um, so yeah, our our other guests before we care what I guess Smile around coming coming back once again. I forget which one were you last time? Was it the uh, the mundane bat one?  No, it wasn't Monday night. I wasn't game of thrones. I forgot which There was another thing. I forget All right. Well, he's back So I was pondering to this um And yeah, uh, you know Lord of the Rings is a is a well-traveled topic between Uh, Smiler and I over the years. It'll be interesting to hear some arguments against it because you know Maybe it isn't perfect. Maybe it isn't the the the best set of movies that ever graced this planet in in this cosmos You know, it's maybe there are maybe there is one the floor There there is one major glaring flaw and that's it only the one We'll allow them have one. Yes, that's true um And of course rags returning for another episode Hello. Hi everyone. I'm back Can't get rid of me that easy and weekend warrior say hello We did it So I was very excited to have weekend warrior Because he and I have been buds for a while and this is this was supposed to be the first time we talked Even It's going great. Just give him a sec. He's gonna it'll be funny if he like heads out to buy a microphone He told us to be patient. So like we shall be by eventually Um, it is Lord of the Rings. So we have plenty of time. This is true. Uh I don't know. Yeah, what uh, because the the video isn't exactly short So we probably should just you know, do a do a thing kick it on with it Is there anything else everyone wants to talk about before we? Chew into this wonderful topic No, let's uh, let's dive on in. Let's take a look. You have been provided a link to watch together gentlemen Yeah, love to get uh, I just want to let everyone know I don't have the microphone anymore that made my voice sound like the voice of sauron I'm sorry. Oh, no, that was all right. Everyone asks right. It's not there Um What else is oh, yeah, so rags and I actually rewatched uh the three Lord of the Rings comes ahead of time for this We finished. Yeah, we're turning the king today Um They're really good films.  Holy shit Uh, yeah, we are lucky that we're in the timeline where we got the Lord of the Rings trilogy Like of course there will be timelines where they got to have all good things or whatever But we'll be sitting you're like, hey, we got Lord of the Rings. Did you and if they didn't we're probably better off Um Who's playing the cat video? The me I want to see the cat dammit Okay, I mean, I'll let you see them for a little bit actually because I gotta I gotta Remove this they've they've changed the watch together slightly again. They always do this to me Are you sure we could watch? Um, we could go to the the watch together shorts Like big buck bunny Oh big buck bunny. That's damn I don't know we need to dedicate a whole episode to that big buck bunny's like one of my favorites Well, big buck bunny looks like Uh an abominable snowman mixed with an old person Uh, he's very very odd looking Rabbit there. I feel like the abominable snowman probably is pretty old So you don't need to specify there's an old person, okay? No, like a like an old human like they're mixed.   What what is he fighting back against hunger cravings? I don't know what is all this back against the squirrel and his his band of puny forest creatures Which seems like the the description is trying to to paint them trying to poison the well Yeah, I mean there's puny forest creatures And it also it doesn't make Jaycee the bunny seem heroic when he triumphs over the creatures because they've already been described as puny So it's like, well, I mean you I I hope you should win against a band of puny forest creatures The description should just be fat rabbit smothers enemies Is like after a after exposure to radioactive waste a bunny grows 300 times its normal size And can fly and gets laser eyes And uses it to destroy the environment. See that's what we do here. We fix stories. We've just fixed that one now Way better. This is newfound powers to destroy all the puny forest creatures that Much more satisfying narrative It's in australia too. So you could that's how the wildfires cat started with Jaycee the bunny And laser eyes Oh my god, don't tell friggy No more laser fires um So, yeah, this one has been requested since like early tisms and mold rings been in the backlog and they were just like EFAP, sorry And so so people like when you cover cover cover and I was like, you know, we have to just we have to get the right guests at the right time Really, you know, you know nail it. I mean people who like lord of the rings Okay, and all four of us i'm pretty sure do I would have been saying five, but you know I hope he's all right. Like if he's panicking running around like physically, I'm sure he's fine Unplug replug fiddle with settings and it'll it'll it'll I feel like he probably like really excitedly Plugged the microphone into the broket. He's like, no Yeah, you're probably right. Oh, so brie larson is in two of the popular video selections on watch together Well, she made a youtube channel from what I hear Yeah, so Which is always something we're very very, uh, very happy with when when big movie stars make youtube channels And they're like, hey relatable.  I thought you're about to call it artificial people That's what a celebrity is basically Wait, so what's an internet celebrity then like super Yeah Nothing a real g who made Yeah, we're cool. They're not okay guys. Okay. I'm glad we yeah good Um self made people we can worry. How you doing? Is is a thing's different? So I guess we're just gonna dive right in. Okay. Let's uh, yeah, we're gonna stop this video Um, it was it was I think name the video's name was much more critical before Um, but he changed it to just movie review um It's a review of all three films and uh, it just goes through I think a lot of the the issues in them So we will be able to finally experience something like that because you know, I like to hear what was the What was the original title? I don't remember. Um, I just remember it not it was it was definitely Antagonistic toward the Lord rings rather than neutral. Um, which is fine by the way Some back pattern then it was it Possibly or maybe it was like, you know what better to be neutral Hopefully it'll get people to give it a chance which we will So I'm just gonna I'm just gonna bring it up here I don't know if I like what kind of copyright stuff I'll have to deal with but hopefully if he Managed to get his video up then we shall be all right as well Is everyone ready? Uh, yeah, let's do it. Let's dive in let's roll. Oh my god We go.  Where are you? Okay, he's closer. He's closer. He's somewhere near the house now Wow, you're so insanely quiet. Um Go to your window settings and turn the level of your microphone up from one to like at least 50 and then we'll give that a shot I already have you on 163 percent. So this is uh He actually sounds like we're all in a house and he's just outside It it sounds like you are outside whispering through a closed window Oh, it's no you're trying but I just I've got get that I see the green circle, but Hi, it's better. Yeah, that's a little bit better. Yeah better Okay, he's in he's in the hallway outside of the room now How about now? How about yes, yes better? Yeah better Hey guys, how's it going? All right experience like now I get to say it now I get to say it Finally an honor to meet you there weekend warrior Finally an honor to meet you too, mr. Skeptic. Yeah killed the climax on that, but We got there eventually we got there eventually Hey, it's not the climax that counts, but getting there is what's important And we get it with friends We actually did like a he's we slowly coaxed him inside the house and into the room Everyone that came along We had to trail a peanut butter candy along the way Hey, you got me with peanut butter, man.  You ready? I don't think this video would be peanut butter. No Okay, here we go. Here we go.  To unsubscribe It took me long enough to get these subscribers. I don't want to risk losing them now clean your hands before you hit that light Yoke's on you. I'm not subscribed Really hates it. Okay. I hate that. Jesus. Wow. Oh my goodness. Damn. It is harsher than I expected Okay My feelings are already hurt. My feelings are hurt and like this is this is not what you advertise. Yeah, I've been offended now That's a bit funny though I'm getting a little bit of the Jared flashbacks from the the light the light switch on the wall Is that wait? Um, oh, yeah. Well, there's a hole in his wall, but they're right There's just a hole. There's a hole.  It will be slammed against the wall. I'm guessing the door slab, dude He ain't got a doorstopper. That's um, oh Yeah, it's supposed to be representative of the angle in the wall the angle. However To his credit if you push the door handle through the wall the door can become even further open Yeah, yeah, there are benefits to this. Let's not ignore them Yeah, you got to be fair and I don't know. I don't know. He hasn't got a doorstopper. How can we trust his opinion? I just feel like if I was doing the video, I would have been like we don't have to film this like at this specific spot We can lift the camera just a little bit There might be a slightly cleaner room Anywhere Cleaner Just go outside 46 and a half million views, all right Uh Sorry, 42 and a half. Hey, man Yeah, we don't do numbers But everywhere you go Everywhere people always say everyone loves lord of the rings. They do such an arrogant statement because surprise I don't know everyone does you do you just don't aware of it. Yeah, you don't and communists don't but that's bad Basically about it. I'm trying to understand the logic of this skit. Like how did this conversation happen? Why are they in this specific room having it? Like I guess The whole point of it decision that went into this is wrong It's just literally coming from a guy who puts exceptionally Overly long intros at the beginning of every video and I'm I don't understand why I'm watching this Well, I was gonna say like he's clearly trying to be like, okay. Look, I know it's beloved But I'd like you to hear me out. That's gonna be the main point of this trying to make it funny as well And I should be like just go just go into it. It's all right. Just go just tell me my lord.   I don't know what the age of this person is He's the oldest young person I've ever seen Why is he standing alone in an empty room up against a blank wall like why is this happening?  It is shot reverse shot, but at least they're not breaking the 180 line Yes Basic film making skills. Yeah, not yet. They're adhering strictly to the 170 rule My actual reasons why I don't like lord of the rings and friends flipped out about it Since when have you ever gave a damn about what I was thinking of you? I just You've come this far Do it bra You have to do it. We all believe in you. I believe in him too You can do it bro Also, it's weird because when when this guy here is looking at Drug addict man. He's looking to to the left. So his right which doesn't really match Like, you know, it's weird. I don't know. This is an interesting Maybe just hating Okay, I kind of love this video It's definitely I'm I'm actually I'm excited to watch the rest of this. He doesn't know what he's looking at. He's just like, yep Oh, I gotta go to my other dirty room now I gotta go to the toilet. This is the lord of the rings reviewing room.  Oh, yeah, that's a set.  I hate it It's not the cover from the bramble as well. Yeah, that's the revenue I'm really gonna regret this one I think somebody's already super chatted that like saying lord of the rings is bad. So you've chosen death. It's just like You've Oh, I guess this is an intro To be fair, we don't have to worry about intro music copyright because there has to be music for that 1937 best-selling author J R R Tolkien wrote his famous and successful novel The Hobbit Just a few years later between 1937 and 1949 He wrote one of the best-selling written trilogies of all time the lord of the rings which sold 150 million copies worldwide. I've read them for English class back in high school and I didn't like them either Oh, no, you didn't like them either Wait, he said he read them for English class Yeah, I guess They may have that might have been like the the I'm trying to like the years project was love the rings Yeah, this is that's criticism number one Like this is actually a problem I have with video game reviewers too Like they try to log through the game as quickly as possible They're not really like experiencing it the way it's supposed to be like Books like lord of the rings like I don't I had the old one that was all three books in one volume Like you're supposed to put that shit down sometimes, you know, like yeah It's an adventure to read those turning it into homework can give you a bit of a different experience Like you you could do this as a book reporter But like obviously his experience with it was negative because he tried to read it as fast as possible Wow, so he doesn't you can't you think he can't possibly have good reason for disliking it? Uh, he could Interesting that he said I didn't like them either Well, yeah, he's assuming He's assuming the audience or some some people watching don't like Lord of the rings or reading through it or maybe he meant like the first time he also didn't Well, I think the first As in like he's such a hipster. He didn't like it before it was cool I think he was saying it in case people say or you'd like the books Like well, you'd like the books though I love it. Literally the video is only like 30 seconds Great no hard feelings, mr. Uh, I think it's cinematic then I'm I'm looking forward to the arguments. I really am. I'm ready We'll say you need to read the books first just so you can appreciate the films more No, lord of the rings in high school No, I had sex in high school You do it success. Obviously. So I I don't actually know people who say that you need to read the books to appreciate the movies. Yeah, no Not not a lot of the rings. I would even stand. I would say that they're even like totally different experiences like Well, one thing that would always jar in a fine I think for most people is the whole that it takes like 500 odd books and not books 500 pages for Frodo to actually leave the shire. It is a slow slog of the start It takes ages. It's like Like it's like 18 months or something like that of like time passes between Gandalf showing up and going There's a ring and it's bad. And then like Frodo actually he was high And he was he was like And they sang a song for Boromir right like in the books Um, I mean some people think that the opening for the rings is too long in the movies Well, yeah, it well, not only is the opening too long But remember like the hobbit came for it too So it's like the universe was already set the fuck up and they still took forever to get the adventure going In the books or the movies in the books Yeah, I was gonna say because the movies wouldn't have the benefit of the hobbit Tolkien's writing is long-winded and it is Dripping with description. It you know, it's like I love them, but It is it takes a while to get through them if they're not swift reads Much the same as mr. Martin describing every apple and a chair in a room every fucking feast Yeah, it works I'm surprised it took this long actually But it was huge hits with groundbreaking effects like Jurassic Park that made director Peter Jackson Who made two of my favorite films of all time by the way realized that these films were now possible to make And he began work on the first fellowship of the ring in august of 1997 Richard Taylor and the wetter workshop sounds like a porn studio We never speak of it again We're helping in order to create the vision of middle earth and the director wanted it to look as plausible and believable as possible Perceiving middle earth in a historical manner filming took place in Jackson's homeland of the beautiful new zealand before being released on december the 19th 2001 in its opening weekend alone. The film grossed 47.2 million dollars before totaling 870.7 million worldwide.     While it's not through visualization of Tolkien's middle earth It is a work for and of our times it will be embraced I suspect by many Tolkien fans and take on aspects of a cult It is a candidate for many Oscars It is an awesome production in its daring and breadth and there are some small touches that are just right This movie version of a beloved book should please devotees as well as the uninitiated the playful spookiness So mr. Jackson's direction provides a lively light touch a gesture that doesn't normally come to mind when Tolkien's name is mentioned Did he misspelled gesture? Yeah, he said no gesture Oh I don't know if that was like a British thing If you just if you gesture gesture No, we add we add to using all the and stuff like that but no Turn that a gesture Because to take to their roles with becoming modesty certainly But Jackson also makes it easy for them his fellowship flows never lingering for the sake of admiring its own beauty every detail of which engrossed me I may have never turned a page to Tolkien, but I know enchantment when I see it This is it Mortensen has strived it as a revelation not to mention downright gorgeous and mckellon carrying the burden of thousands of years worth of The fight against evil is positively Merlin ask Jackson's movie achieves what the best fairy tales do the creation of an alternate These are reviews I was gonna say I'm not sure what where we going. What's what's happening here? He's gonna say He's gonna say they're all wrong or something Yeah, he's like this. This is the hipster thing like I had a feeling he was gonna set this up like I'm so Like I'm so contrairing so against the grain. I'm I'm going up against all of these massive names. I mean, he really is So we'll see how it is Yeah, exactly Persuasive where the young can lose themselves and perhaps in identifying with the little hobbit that could find their better selves Peter Jackson's adaptation is certainly successful in its own terms It's a motion that makes fellowship stick hard in the memory Jackson deserves to revel in his success Why does he not this is the second time he's done. He doesn't put a space after fellowship and then the next word Is that because this is like well as italics is like it might be that there is a space and just looks like there isn't Well, then he needs to put another one Yes He's made for a film that leaves you wanting more No, thank you. There is a strange possible All the more disconcerting because of the clotted and indigestible mythic backstory that we have to wait Anything happens at all. Wow Fellowship of the ring received a whopping 13 academy award nominations successfully winning best cinematography best visual effects Best makeup and best original score good Yeah All the power to you Oof didn't win enough should have won best everything all of them best best movie forever Should have gone home with all the women. Well, it's not just that they should have ended the academy awards. They said this is it We did it guys. We're not doing any more. We had a good one We found it everybody They also I said it well, they didn't invent one but for anti circus in two towers and what planets golem They created a new awards for that because I think it was like it's for like, you know CGI motion capture or whatever because it was such a Well, awesome performance, but it was never done before because of the well nobody had done a green screen With a little guy in a gray suit kind of thing before. Yeah, you do. Yeah They literally had a new award Made for the films It won the 2002 cinematic presentation the empire best film award and five BAFTAs for best film best direction The audience award whenever the hell that is I don't have any answers that special effects and best makeup was nominated for an mtv movie award for best fight between willingly That that unintentionally hilarious scene So, sorry, we'll get to that but really that one looking All right. Yeah, we'll get to it. I guess Why is it funny though? Like I can't see it being funny. Well, I can't I can't see it We rag as wolf and I Create a in our coverage of it create a a bit of a whoa a weed allegory and the idea is That gandalf imagined all of Lord of the Rings and he's just spinning in a warehouse somewhere on the floor And so we can get fun out of that, but I mean if you take it, you know Literally as to what is happening in that scene.  You're supposed to suspend your disbelief We know that yeah in the movie it checks out because they're yeah ageless wizards essentially and they are they're angels Yeah, exactly.    You can do that with everything Yeah, you can do that with anything here like we could have summed it up faster than the destroyer ring It's a stroy a space ball.  It's weird how I feel like we we've done this for so long like lots of people roll this out You're like it's never something you can't do with something else, you know, this is always Everything can get boiled down. I don't know. What's the point? That was just a detour The scenery looks gorgeous You can really sense the amount of effort in set design direction and even costumes and props Artistically and cinematically it's a well put together film and the budget clearly went more in a production and less into screen Right, the miniatures most okay miniatures that those were amazing miniatures though Oh, they were insane. They're amazing. Um, it's kind of weird though to say budget clearly went into them and not the script It's like budget going as if just money spent on script equals good.  It's like also I'd ask for an example of the worst scripts in mainstream recently and you're like, oh Oh You need to understand what he's saying that the miniatures cost more than the words on the pieces of paper I shall only write my script with a pen from the the days of old huge expensive thing. Okay Crush the embers of coals from the rare eucalyptus trees of southern australia must create your own paper Best writers of course Yes, it has some really bad ones that no one wants to confess to as well Like which one Oh, I think you're saying that was an example of bad acting.   That's that's what it's often associated with It's like it's gonna eventually turn everybody into a A golem like creature It almost develops a second personality that's uh desperately Intent on on on taking the ring for itself. So he's yeah, it's just coming out in the voice Like I don't I don't really have any problem with that delivery anyone else Um, I think it kind of nails it. You see this with golem.  You see it with um, obviously with bill bow here You're not quite yourself when you're focused on the ring a lot of times Almost like that's a thing about it that makes it dangerous and evil Well, I mean this this isn't like this scene isn't even in a like Uh, it's supposed to be it's set up with the whole dinner beforehand Like and you can tell the guy he's like acting manic and if you know what somebody is like when they're manic Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so like he's overly excited. So he isn't acting rational. That is the point I think you've had that ring quite long enough You wanted for yourself You wanted for yourself. What's wrong with that? Oh, yeah, what is wrong with that literally literally the fucking point of the movie It's not going to be him just doing she This this is this is the main mechanic of the film I mean I I'll just move on distrust other people And that's what's happening here He wants to hang on to a shitty version of Ian Holman saying that it's bad He wants to hang on to it more than anything else. And so the idea that Gandalf's like give it up He's like, uh, you know what what are reasons why I won't give it up.  Yeah Your brain rationalizes that that kind of behavior is an attack against them But it's all right. He's not like said the whole movie is bad because of that one moment I just don't really agree that either of those bad acting I do just hope he's not it's gonna do it like well, this is gonna be the whole video just him just React into the scenes. I'm sure we'll get Substantive, I know hopefully hopefully yeah first. It's so random and out of nowhere Which what do you mean out of nowhere random and out of nowhere?  Sorry. Yeah Yeah Yeah, he didn't destroy it. He wanted to keep it but like this this this criticism is like nitpicking like We're nitpicking but like the point again, this is the beginning of the film like Like yeah, it does seem like Gandalf is like doing this out of nowhere But that's the point this is setting up how important this is is that Gandalf is literally willing to go Full ape shit on this guy for not relinquishing the ring to him. That's how important this is I mean, I wouldn't agree that it's a nitpick of his because I would say that a nitpick still has to be accurate That's why we're actually passing We're all okay with nitpicks. Yeah, let's check about we'll be like say for example It's like there's there's there's that scene in the original vision has the car in the background If someone pointed that out, I'd be like, yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that is an editing mistake. Yes production error. Um as for as for You know, we already knew Gandalf this this part's really shocking because Gandalf's been nothing but kind and bubbly throughout this whole Sort of film And suddenly he's like he makes everything go dark and talk really deep and he's trying to he's trying to send a very strong message I am not trying to steal the ring.  We've already seen the forces of good and evil fight over the power All the all the well, yeah, well sarron and the power of the rig We've already seen that and Gandalf's already shown to be, you know, my dear friend bilbo So this is not out.  I'm trying to help you Yeah, like this is all done for bilbo's best interest. I just think it informs both of them in this scene quite a bit This is how this is also this is also how you treat a dog that won't drop something You like start off get drop it buddy. Drop it buddy, buddy Now cuddles i'm not trying to rob your bone I'm trying to play fetch with you.   Okay, hero Don't be calling a sweet hobbit He deserves so much better.  It's like that's the best you can do it. Let him have the dildo. All right All right, he can he can have it Not an integral character in the film at least cuddles drop the dildo. I'm not trying to rob you And dragging out sequences for as long as possible Which I'll get on to they rush what could have been quite an interesting transition. Oh, so after dildo vanished from the party Why does it take Frodo until nightfall to check out his uncle's house? May I point out that this is the first time in human history that anybody has ever accused lord of the rings of rushing Excellent point He said it takes till nightfall for Frodo to turn up I was like wait, but it was night when he disappeared like rags.  I wouldn't let go.  He's like he's probably in his room I think I think it's fair to assume that people will eventually check there Which is why bilbo was only going to make a pit stop He's just gonna go there get his stuff and leave just fine. And of course people would eventually turn up Which is why Frodo does which is a useful Thing to be able to use because that gets into talk to Gandalf it all follows. I don't why is that an issue? It's weird We know it's like a minute later As far as we know Frodo went immediately to bilbo's house But it wouldn't matter if he didn't if he searched around the whole area first That would be a lot more sense behind the tree in the tents at the buffet. You know how bilbo is Yeah, yeah, and it's not like he immediately found him there. We don't know what he's fucking doing I also like to point out he also said I can't believe no one has pointed it out yet like something like that I think he said that other people have pointed it out I wonder why that is though Yeah, let's uh, we'll roll it back see what he said about action You wanted for yourself the outburst is so random and out of nowhere Which now that I think about that all of dildo's scenes are it's weird for a film that focuses so much on Dragging out sequences for as long as possible, which I'll get on to they rush what could have been quite an interesting transition Also after dildo vanished from the party Why does it take Frodo until nightfall to check out his uncle's house on everyone's wanted this out On until until nightfall. I love the There are candles burning like at the party. There are candles There was literally fireworks. There were fireworks. You cannot No, that's a daytime thing in the shire Yeah, it was literally fireworks They encourages people to make them really bright I don't get how he could do that right?  Yeah, all right How did he not how did he fucking not see that and then he went and then he made a whole point about it But it looked like he was about to follow up and say I know a lot of people have pointed this out I just want to see if that's what he actually says could have been quite an interesting transition Also after dildo vanished from the party. Why does it take Frodo until nightfall to check out his uncle's house? Everyone's pointed this out, but No, I've literally never heard that before never heard that before Everyone pointed it what?   That's how it is. It's a fantasy. Okay.  Oh, this green is dark This is really dark when mary and pippin you're he just said lies. I would like the actress so you can see them I guess this is like the acting section Or something I don't know, but he just said Elijah Woods really bad. It's like oh damn, okay Oh, that's objectively wrong Elijah was one of the best parts of the series. I think I think he does pretty excellently. I don't see it I think he encapsulates the uh The average man who doesn't he's not ready for this kind of responsibility, but we'll take it head on You know, he this is actually the only role that I really like He didn't like him as the crazy creepy flash eating killer in sin city Oh, that's actually no, that's true. That is him. That is you guys ever see maniac? All right added to the list fine Fine, you will watch all of your favorite Elijah Wood movies.  Can we please?  I'm a little bit out of loss We just We just watched the man cover himself in earth We let it happen Oh Green street, that's another film Elijah Wood film is good. It would be just why I remember. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, I do I I guess we have to start with why is it bad that he if he does sound feminine like this Why is that bad? Just is He just said all right. All right. Good fair. No, how do you make dialogue like that sound natural? That is natural.    All right Meaning the fire. I I don't know what else. Yeah. All right When people are suddenly introduced to moments of potential peril They're not gonna sound like quote-unquote like themselves They're just gonna get words out.  He's a hobbit He lives in a radius of like one mile and he never leaves his home Well, he's he's also he's also supposed to be like an archetypical child Like the point of him being a hobbit is that he is essentially like a child in this universe For for him to act sort of quote Affeminate and to have like his best friend and they like love each other so much like what that isn't like Yeah, sure you could say like, uh, you know in in modern terms If we'd say those are effeminate features, but the the point of that is it's supposed to show innocence Yeah, well, yeah, I mean we've already established the hobbits just want to live a peaceful life Gardening and playing chess and literally just getting drunk and smoking weed all day. Yeah, boy We no no it's literally the intro with Gandalf's talking about the Shire and this You know what these characters are you all right? Yeah, um Basically this guy is complaining about basic film Uh language, he's not even complaining about the film itself But the the type of language that it's chosen to use Yeah, yeah And and these are like these are like staple things that people like some of these are like as old as You know greek plays like these are established ways that we communicate these things Yeah, I'm just I'm looking forward to him to fucking shitting on more iconic lines like fly your fools or you know But any any of the more iconic lines from any of the films is gonna be great.  He's like we fight.  Do you mean we are currently fighting that is not the case Who talks like that I was actually gonna say yeah, this is the other thing that this film has that I guess other uh films do not is that these are fantasy creatures So they can actually use language in very Alternative ways if they wish And then get away with it Yeah, it's an odd complaint. It's a very odd She's in health Thank you captain exposition and again, he's surprised wait. Yeah He never saw an elf before you That's the point And in this movie Sam is even excited to learn that they're going to Rivendell to see elves Sam never left the Shire Yeah, Sam has never left the Shire. He's never gone further than that scarecrow.  He's like, whoa And even when they get to Rivendell Frodo said Sam wants to Leave and go back to the Shire because he thinks they're finished and Frodo's like but I thought you always wanted to see the elves Like this is something, you know, as we've established, you know already. I'm reiterating. This is something that you really wanted to see is see elves Like it makes sense that he does this like this guy didn't watch the movies. I guess it's weird It's weird because he's got like clips from him, but I guess he didn't watch him They're they're clips.  What problems. Yeah. No, he's he's right. I haven't noticed When other films do it Have you ever noticed that wilson's only job in this? Why are you referencing the No, no, no. No. No, no, no no story is stating the painfully obvious His carvings are really creepy. I just think dr. Maro is up to something. Okay. Then why are you bringing this up? Yeah, we don't know the this is the haunting funnily enough from the liem listen movie I I have no idea. I've never seen this film. I have no context for it All I remember is this spooky ghost and Owen Wilson gets his head shopped off, so It's really more moller. Yeah, I kind of did it I like that he's brought this up just to say so so we didn't need this He'd already highlighted the issue is that it's expository dialogue like over That describes this whole video.  Oh, look mommy a giraffe. I'm like, oh Don't see it.  She gets Frodo out of there Like her being an elf doesn't really do anything for us at that point Um either way, so this is what I'm getting at in terms of structure of video He established the problem was overt dialogue plays it We we we've pulled it apart to see if it really was or not Establish character whatever and he's like you know why this is bad because other people say overt dialogue is bad And other things but they don't in this and we're already like no no I got that like we that was the whole point you're making in the first place You don't need to do this who cares if nostalgia critic did or did not notice Overt dialogue in one thing or the other like doesn't I definitely got a soft spot for theo. She's an elf spinach is green. I'm just throwing that out there My problem arises with the writing I can tell you as well that for sam In the box he literally cries at the at the fort of meeting elves because they Believe it or not hobbits don't leave the shire and it's really you know It's it's a big big world out there for them and they've never experienced it and sam and frodo And mary and pithen they are like some of the first people to ever leave In fact, do you know remember bilbo him leaving the shire? He was concede.  Yeah, you know, bibber bibber radical Yeah, and the elves are like demigods. They're like The lore is that they're like They're sort of bound to god's laws on like totally free will-beings So these are supposed this is supposed to be a connection to god So it is sort of like meeting a god for the first time like yeah You would be surprised if you met a real elf in real life. I think that is a fair thing to say Unless you're using that as just like an alternate word for little people Well, yeah, yeah, well, yeah, I even then I would be surprised.  We got them Just because it's a widely successful universally love blockbuster doesn't mean you can't look at the writing instead of just no one's saying this Just just definitely. Yeah, you're you're kind of on your own out here. You're on your own little island Just give me give me the quote of someone saying, you know what the films are so beloved and did so well You can't criticize them at all in like not ironically too, please I'm not like a joke. Have I never seen this guy's channel or anything if you told me he just straight up It just trolls every uh big film or big beloved franchise. I would I would believe you Well, we still got plenty of arguments to come. I'm sure I'm sure he's gonna tear him down and write quick Blindly accept is amazing.  Who's your favorite characters? I'm like, man, they're all so good But I really have a super soft spot for the boromir fairamir brothers There's a lot going on there in their relationship with dennathore And there's there's a lot going on with these characters and what they do in the story and how they interact with others and talk to others about this Relationship. There's a lot there all of these characters from elrond all the way everywhere We constantly praise this movie of how every character thaden aowyn fairamir boromir aragorn legolas Gimley they all have aspects of character in this film as long as they are they don't waste time with characters either Everyone gets moments Everybody gets to bring in their attitude and their perspective and we get to learn so much about all the characters That's one of the great triumphs of these three movies Is that it does such amazing work with the characters?    Feminine people Creatures I if this if if these movies don't do characters well I want to know what you think did them well. I have to know where you're you're where's your bar But let's hear Is he only videos on star wars? I love I bet I've been raised this best character go on. It's going to be something like that And also like but yeah Like in the first movie alone, we got the boromir arc You don't really have to go far for great characters. That's why i'm offended He was on the screen when he was setting this up and do not even suggest the boromir It doesn't have a really strong characterization in this fucking movie or the sam and frodo relationship Now it doesn't it doesn't get kind of as developed and as in the books because in the books um I don't know if you guys like actually remember but frodo is sam's employer like, you know sam is his gardener um because the baggins family are quite affluent in uh in the shire And one of the things I told him did in the books was he wanted to establish that During times of war people from different backgrounds or different class structures can still be well, they you know With a common enemy that they can you know become the best of friends because that's their relationship blossoms when they go away to well On this epic grand journey But none of the characters well, it's interesting when when faramir does ask Sam who he is to frodo sam says i'm his gardener And it's pretty for jokes. It's true But it's like but that's how sam sees himself. They don't see themselves as adventurers and warriors and Saviors of you know mankind and everything They're they're mind is still in the shire. They're mind is still kind of innocent still in a way I'm his gardener. That's what I am.   He is not like Yeah, he's not a main character, but there's so much going on with him and how he wants to please his dad and How he wants to do the right thing and how he works hard and he works hard and he works hard And he was always kind of living in the shadow of his brother and his father's eyes But him and his brother got along really well and him and his brother kind of didn't even like denathore that much And there's so much going on.  Hello I must stop you because the story needs me to stop you. Oh no I also like too faramir throw out ring Yeah Yeah, what if we do a quick quick run through the five of us favorite singular character if you had to choose gun to head from the Three other rings film. Oh ergo ergo All right, well, we'll go from left to right then so I'm next and it's boramir. He's my favorite I'll don't at me rags um Can I can I put in the boramir faramir bros? Can I put them both? I guess I guess we can allow it It's like it's like if people were to put in mary and piffin as their own because they're they're a pair and so much of Their character stuff is relating to it. It is sort of a continuation of the character. Yeah, I'll allow it. I guess Uh, I'll go Oh Yeah, fair enough and we can worry I like frodo. He's so tragic, but he still Tried to do the right thing that we go that really it's curly eyes really just say the t-rex was his favorite I think my second is safely samwise though, uh samwise. Yeah, not the t-rex. Okay. No, sam is my second favorite Yeah Who would not want a friend like sam? Yeah, exactly. Yeah Exactly. He's the most loyal. He's the most loyal character in the entire film.  They get 13 babies. He has a garden. He's like king king Shit That's true. I mean it within shire logic.  Yeah apex hobbit. Yeah Yeah, like for all we know. He's the mayor of the town after frodo. Yeah He looks down on all the little people really he does in all his magnificence Anyway, then the man killed Can we not go with the video and just talk about why The crazy thing is He's he started the point He hasn't actually substantiated because we're all so upset at the idea of substantiating that point If he does a just kidding after this No, this is simply the introduction to the story, but it is three hours long That's more than enough time to develop character substance But the wait is he saying yes lord of the rings the fellowship of the ring is the introduction to the story Therefore the characters should have been established over these three hours as if they aren't Yeah, I think that's what he's saying. Yeah So yeah, that still wouldn't even if he was taking in this this film this video is about the trilogy And even if he was focusing in on only the fellowship Having bohramir's face on screen still Here is I mean, there's so much work It's by the by the time this scene hits like this scene Finalizes the establishment of several of the characters that are in the circle And then and then we get to see the establishment of bohramir and uh, yeah So like this is where we meet bohramir after this point He is literally He's complaining at the establishment point that the characters are not established is just kind of It is like the hour and a half mark or so, isn't it? Yeah, this is what I still remember this being the uh The break in the dvd way to put this to him White horse down said I relate to the uruk being bored as I hate mud days, too It's like screaming I'll actually the the fellowship section is basically the it's the halfway point for the first movie I'm looking at the time bar right now The halfway point for the first movie is the fellowship and we've at that point learned Just under or over around half the characters of the fellowship and then they very very efficiently get everyone going on Who the rest of them are Because of course, they only just joined Only ones who get even a smidgen is bohramir and maybe gandalf smidgen Why did you when he said gandalf it showed Frodo like Also in this scene like we learn a lot about bohramir in this scene at least He's allowed us to have bohramir and gandalf. We're allowed them. Thank you for that. Thank you That's something it's better than nothing Although gandalf's only job is to literally introduce everybody with the full names just for the audience's point of view No None of the hobbits know any of these fucking people they've never Yeah, he has to let the hobbits know and through extension we can know this is called writing He's literally complaining that the wise man character is wisely informing the character Like this is this is a it's kind of a staple of its world building is that we learn through characters So this is basic heroes journey Well, if we were in a story basic basic heroes journey the five of us ryan is seen and i'm like wait the audience don't know Who glungal is and it's like well neither does frodo So we'll just have gandalf say like this is glungal of groon and shime and it's like hello and frodo's like oh Hello, it's like now the audience know and he said they're like wow exposition it's like if we want to If we go back to the hobbit right if the hobbit movies is really similar where when all of the dwarves show up in the shire And they're getting introduced To bill bow is like yeah, he needs to know their names.   It's mary. Yeah Harry and pip and not mary a dolly a leagrant. Yeah, he's not like this is mary and this is pippin It's like no, no, he's he's you And he stares at the camera for a moment No, he literally learned an explorer He literally learned what exposition was the day before he made this review and he just thought that exposition equals bad I was gonna say oh, that's a big word Exposition is complicated and we don't like it when it's so an example of what I think is a bad exposition Uh, because it's in tfa part three coming soon. I promise um When snook is talking to kylo in the force awakens and at the end of their conversation for the first time we see them He says The droid is aboard the millennium falcon in the hands of your father han solo And it's like why did you say that like that to kylo like he's fully aware of who his dad is Like we didn't know at that point and so we're like, oh, okay This is an awkward exposition. I guess Why would he announce hard solo to bed solo?     They establish immediately that gimley hates elves Yeah, yeah.    You've retard People do that in real life when they see someone especially a mess to like ah john smith I haven't seen you and how long has it been since they've seen each other? It's been a while, right? Like we're talking a while Again again five owner of cinematic benna going out of actually elizabeth bernie born july 25th Why does that kid have a dog and is he indian?  Well, yeah, you could do this with pretty much anything I I would say if anything kind of uh intimidate him Oh, yeah, like the this this is supposed to be like this is like a dutch angle. It's supposed to be an awkward It's it is showing that he is looming over him and that that he's intimidated by yeah That is the purpose of this show. I mean do that all the time In this movie, even mind the angle is like free for tall of all of them. Yeah. Yeah He is a very powerful He's like, you know what sam you'll be pretty helpful actually because frodo's gonna need it He's simple. Yeah Did he just want sam to bone frodo right in front of him? Yes, that was Yeah, I I hate to point this out, but I believe this man might be a homophobe Yeah Wizard hobbit love Well, I was gonna say they cut away. So I'm pretty sure that's what happened It bothers him a lot when men express emotions with each other sexually Express emotions I mean he seems upset like you know frodo has a feminine voice Yeah Yeah Okay I also can't see how would you Why would you get that context? Like it's it's weird because it's a problem. Yeah, it's such a weird problem Almost every person ever is like kind of is so wonderful bubbly and cuddly and happy and wholesome and it's like no He's creepy. He like okay He's he's he's the he's the dad of the fellowship.   Yeah. Yeah, and then uh near the end of well, I say near the end of return of the king I think it's hour three.  It's a really good thing for me. I I I respawn, but you But yeah, uh, his relationship with with pippin is this is there's a lot of character stuff That's very uh, very careful in Lord the Rings.  That's all that is. He's a creepy old man. Oh, yeah Extra snug the gandalf's into interracial porn. So that yeah Oh In all seriousness the other characters have just nothing to them whatsoever Which is astonishing considering all of the claims that they were wanting to focus more on development How would you honestly describe frodo's character? Okay Would you honestly describe frodo?  Yeah Frodo needs It's the hardest um By the end of the series he had to leave middle earth.  He had post traumatic jewelry disorder. Yeah Oh What's interesting is that talking about frodo's character It brings up the idea that pretty much everyone in this story Is saved by someone else or there's a huge teamwork component of everyone has to Work together in order to succeed and if they stick with each other They'll be able to try them and you know the frodo and sam pairing is the really obvious example of that where Frodo he gives them to despair sometimes. He's like man. I we can't do this It's just not I just I can't do it. I can't stand up I can't go any further and sam's there to keep him going and Sam's is frodo is a very hesitant hero at first But he he's dutiful and he loves the shire and everything so he does what he feels he has to do It's not he's not looking after glory So I do interrupt um One of the guys on the call and said that apparently the guy the the guy in the video now He argues this is his opinion. He's he pulled the opinion card on it. Oh, well Your opinion is wrong. Well. Yeah, your opinion is wrong Yeah, your opinion is wrong. Yeah, I I know how you I know this is a thing with some people You could just say it's my opinion. That doesn't make it any less wrong Like it's saying there is no characterization For the majority of these people in fellowship outside of baby barby or gad delph's like, oh, that's wrong. That's actually just wrong Well, that's what I got from it. It's like, oh, well, you missed some stuff. I guess like what do you want me to say? So his video is right because it's his opinion. You can't can you? No, I've asked a couple friends who love these movies.  He just said that what what can you say about frodo?  Yeah, like in these traits are you know themes that are repeated in the movie many many times But again, just using this one film fellowship like again for it Frodo is the The protagonist like yeah, he he you know comes out of his comfort zone It's the first, you know hobbit since since his uncle to Yeah to leave so like it's a big deal. They meet an elf It's a big deal and then at the end of just this film He makes a huge sacrifice and decides that you know the whole fellowship thing isn't gonna work and then decides like Just in this film. He is the hero because of the decisions. He's not the hero. Therefore. He's the hero Yeah Well, it's the the other thing is is like I don't know if he's gonna bring it up But why is frodo the ring bearer and it's all because the hobbits don't want to seize power They they they want to leave it like I said, they want to live a peaceful life Because why not give it to aragorn or or well I definitely would not give it to Boramir because Men are corrupted by the power of the ring because they want to serve well mankind the hobbits they don't they don't want to seize power They don't want to be dictators. They don't want to you know enslave. They don't want to do any of that shit So that's why they that's why frodo can last with the ring for so long because again I don't even think they actually established in the films But the the actual journey takes like two years to actually get there And I think they say 16 months is it by the end of return of the king rags They said do they say 16 months 13 months Yeah, but yeah, the whole point is that yeah frodo has to be the ring bearer A hobbit has to be because they're the ones who won't put the ring on and go actually, you know, I'm gonna serve myself He never wants the ring.   He's quite complex like Yeah, you you get the the scenes where it's like we did a guy's we won and he's just he's not looking satisfied or content He's very and it's just like what's going on there? um Keep an eye on him throughout the films. It's a lot more complex than he's the hero. I don't even know how to react to that Yeah He's the one who fucking spares golems life Thanks to the advice from gandalf and that that decision is incredibly important throughout these films And it's showing a lot about his position on morality for one Um, what you're saying that Frodo is compassionate. Well, that's not that's not a character trait.  He he goes. No, I'm not keep it. It's like There's so many things going on and you can't even I'm upset who likes to hang around which is literally saying he has no purpose and just sticks around and stay in the plot and Oh my god Does it did he even watch the film like what is what is the establishing? It's a problem that Frodo just hangs around Hobbiton.    What he's the one that gets the ring at the fire. He's got no I mean, I guess he was in the beginning With all the other hobbits in the shire that's what hobbits do I guess they they hang around Their homes also this is this is telling us as well that if you don't have a specific purpose as a character That means you're a bad character You can't just like you know like jack sparrow is is someone who reacts to everything that happens around him Rather than having a specific goal in mind necessarily like there's a lot of characters like this Well, that's the point of a protagonist is that their purpose needs to be given to them I mean That's part of the hero's journey is that they're reluctant to To enter the journey and then something happens that kind of forces you remember the moment where he's he's set up He's got his like his hiking gear He knows his job and he's about to leave and Gandalf just looks at him like oh Like you're you're a good person for doing this because this is not gonna be easy Yeah, he thinks it's gonna be a whimsical journey. Yeah, and he has no idea what's in store for him. Yep I mean Frodo is a Rather interesting character. Um So this this is this is what I often say about buffy by the way Um, he's not my favorite right Frodo and you'd be like you're like he's probably not even close to my favorite And you're like wait, what? Oh my god. Is he bad? It's like no, it's just so many good characters You're missing you're missing what i'm trying to say Okay, like I just this it's hard to choose between them all because they're so well done. All right, that's the problem But I mean we can worry you just said you as far as your favorite, right? What sorry, did you say Frodo was your favorite?   Yeah golem just hangs around. Yeah, you know who really hangs around sarin. He just hangs around Yeah, you know, he's just you know Greg I'm very upset.  I'm gonna put it out there Old characters just hanging around until a story begins anyway. Isn't that what everyone is doing listen That what better evidence is there than some random nameless anonymous person who has an opinion that can't be verified All right, yeah, that's true Yeah, somebody else, um Oh, sorry, I was gonna say somebody else pointed out or reminded me as well that Frodo grew up reading Bilbo stories like you remember the start of the film where he's like, uh, it's billboard one of one of his stories Well, and um, Sam references the when they see the trolls. He's like mr. Frodo. It's it's mr.  Yeah with like some foreign knowledge of what kind of things He's going to do in Cal. Oh, yeah You call it the like what you I wouldn't call it the rex sequel, but it's like it's like a spiritual sequel And it's it's it's it's a continuation of uh, well the baggy Just like the way Boramir has continued into into his brother like his he's he is um, uh Vindicated through his brother's actions. It's like yeah same same way I mean like character two characters can represent the same sort of like character in the same film And that's a that's a pretty common thing especially when you get a film where there's so many characters that they're You'll even get like sort of like swaps between What kind of elements that they they represent so? Yeah, um, also this guy's wrong Just put that on the edge His his videos made rags his facial expression changed to one of disappointment and confusion we're fitting. Yeah Yeah, I should I chose them my avatar sooner because It is I only know I'm just I'm being awkwardly shocked. Yes, that's all I am right now. That's actually. Yeah, that is actually the the expression And another friend admitted that he is a generic hero, but so Shut the potter. Well, I guess they're what?  No, no. No, I found people who are also wrong like me Therefore I must be correct. We're not talking about Harry Potter as well But what what the argument is that it's like someone called him generic and that's okay because harry potter is too We're like what is happening here? What what what?   It's okay to be wrong The chosen one, but he had struggles and hardships.   I don't know I think you're just remembering the extended blu-ray edition because in the theatrical edition He was just whistling the whole way. It's just waddling around Don't forget remember Frodo does literally fail.  So like that was again, don't forget galadriel Galadriel failures on on his part. That's the that's the thing Frodo isn't alone in this in this trilogy of movies It's all about everybody doing their part to defeat the ultimate evil that sort of thing like we all need to work together Well, remember the siege of the black gate. The whole point is to give Frodo time to fucking get into mortal No, but no, no, no, they just wanted another fight scene that that's that's the reason Even at the very end what is um No, Frodo says when he wraps up his part of the book He says it's been five years to the day since weather top and I can still feel the Still feel the pain of being stabbed there.   I figure the I forget. Oh you talking about in um in meanest morgue. No way not meanest morgue No, no, no, no, it's not meanest morgue.  Um, Kyrith Ungol Detroit.   You can make a compilation I think there is already just Frodo falling over in the trilogy He falls over a very large amount of times and if that's not experiencing hardships, I don't know what is Yeah, he does wriggle around on the floor a lot whenever my favorite actually happens. My favorite one is when um Aragorn begins fighting the Urukai and Amonhen and I think our other characters are getting related to it The fight's about to begin and it just cuts to Frodo and he falls over and then it cuts to someone else It's just like the funniest one Don't don't forget the hardship of when they're in the pub and he has a little drink And then the toke comes with a big drink and it's like oh, shit. I could have had a big drink It's like that's character. Yep. Sorry bro. You're missed out So Poor wizard at times amongst his significantly superior bestie.  Oh, yeah.  He almost killed himself trying to save the world It's like That drown in the fellowship. Remember that part guys. He'll let him drown at the end Guys, I'm upset. This is the first time I'm actually upset on evap.  Yeah, please stop talking about Frodo move on Talk about something else this man. He just wanted to do good even when that wasn't the easy thing to do He came across This is all applicable to Frodo Real teenage boy with raging hormones and also had some asshole moments. He felt like a very real person. Who has did Frodo? Frodo's a hobbit. So no, no, he's not a real person. He's a hobbit.  Nope It was quite humble. I didn't need or even enjoy the fame most of the time He wanted to say yep again applies to Frodo not a you can tell at the end all of it He's just he doesn't want any of it. He he did the right thing leaves the planet. He cannot He leaves this plane of existence Uchi went home to his planet at the end because he could not handle it. Yeah Jesus no, Greg.   Just a hero. What are you? Just because he's all he's doing is saying it.  He's right. Okay. I like how you said I saw the super chat that said that you remember Patrick Williams. You're watching movies wrong I think it actually applies here. Oh my god Said I didn't I didn't even watch the movie You're gonna say that that would be how to watch a movie wrong. It's just you're not watching it. You watched a trailer.  I watched it with my nose That's how you do it. Yeah, you smell the visuals Smells like that fine pipe weed from the shire I know he struggled sometimes as well, but he had no other characterizations. He struggled sometimes What? He struggled sometimes but has no other characterization.     You're wrong.   I just wanted to move on to the next thing. Just say something else Yes, please, please Please stop being right here.    Oh, that wouldn't buy mary and pippin have characters It's really wrong Frodo let them literally causing a distraction. It is the again Again simple movie language is being used here to communicate what is going on and the guy is just not catching what is happening and the The word let is triggering me frodo sees them and then they're like they come up with their plan They get up and he's like, whoa, what are you doing? And then it's like go just go We're going to distract just go There's barely a choice to be made for frodo outside of stay put or leave because they've offered you a distraction He makes the right choice Like What does one say what vocabulary can be accessed to describe one's disdain Oh, oh spicy spicy agon agon agon. Sorry guys. Sorry. Sorry Someone's watching us.   Nobody puts frodo in a corner.   He's so his face is so expressive at that point like also Correct me if i'm wrong, but not about 30 seconds ago. He said in his own video You're welcome to be wrong about his one of his theoretical friends sharing their opinion Oh It reminds me of a hightop It reminds me of a hightop where he's like, hey, man, everyone's allowed their perspective that is it is dead I'll video.   I've been killed already or not. No, no he hasn't this is setting up how he's gonna die almost very yeah, right Okay, but the point is that you know the danger is real anyway You know, it's not like they see the oracine thing.  You know, they just escape Breathe Yes, i'm very upset also like Maybe Smaller let's continue the video maybe he has a good point Also, I want to I want to clarify. Mary and pippin didn't know this was their plan You can tell when they they decide to get up and do it.  Is this what we're doing? Yep, we're doing this. We're doing this is the right thing to do actually. Yeah, like it's all very sudden Mary says he's leaving. Yeah, well when they see Frodo not join him and says yeah, Mary's like he's leaving I'd like to highlight the comment from jedi brooks. Amon hen is a masterpiece.   What could Frodo do and Frodo's gonna get up and say no urukai follow me What no Frodo was supposed to use the ring or use the kami hami hat to kill all the orcs and i'm the hero guys I hate it.  Like well, don't you understand the heroic move would have been don't chase them chase me and then they all get captured no, like Like he he doesn't even understand the point of that scene, you know, like what what skeptic was saying like basic cinematic language He doesn't even get that. I don't even think he's on the level of basic Well, you see when when gandalf was on the bridge in moria And he sacrificed himself so everyone could leave frodo should have turned around and jumped down into the pit with gandalf Yeah, like a hero I hate him in the frodo literally does nothing but almost died twice and i thought he went through no hardships Yeah But it's nothing no no, no, but i literally he literally does nothing But go through so i'm just gonna i know i know it's a deleted scene You know when you know you're not paying attention. It was a deleted scene I know i shouldn't be i shouldn't be highlighting deleted scenes But you know when they break into moria all the all the goblins and they all fight that deleted scene With frodo attacks and kills several of them that the one that got deleted And then he's like moving around the battlefield trying to make use of everyone protecting him because he's the ring bearer If he's killed or captured it's pretty much over like nah, he just did nothing No, no escaping she uh shilab's lair That doesn't count nope him making it to mount doom. It's just it's all so insane.    He leaves When the when the witch king screams it like hurts his shoulder, didn't it? Yeah, it didn't Yeah, it does the sequels, but the first film he has a blank sheet of paper Also, and and in the in the return of the king you see how the chain where the ring is is like Yeah, it's burn marks around his neck It's kind of like oh Um, I think he just said The three films as a whole there's there's good things to say about his character, but the first one pretty much He's a blank slate like interesting insane Sheet of paper sam is that blank sheet of paper's boyfriend which we'll get on to later and Mary and Pippin I think yeah, I think skeptics right with my uh homophobia Proto escaped because of them.  I didn't know that guy I'm very gay right now for all of you Yeah, what's the thing about um to have a friend sound for the relationship.  It's like that scene in shrack. Yeah, how dare you you're coming with me Hey, man, if he's gonna compare it to a masterpiece like shrack, I'm actually okay with this Um, so so at least it's not harry potter again Yeah, his criticism was that mary and pippin just come along right like he's saying that there's no they just do it And um, he's right. They're the only two I'd say in the entire fellowship They're not even sure what they've agreed to but that's a part of their characters. They're very adventurous rambunctious That is that is the point is that they're their tailcoat chasers So they saw an opportunity for an adventure and like literally grabbed it as it was leaving And there are several scenes with express concern for their fellow hobbits They they and then then they develop from a couple of idiots that want to drink pints at the bar To fucking heroes that literally dedicate their lives to saving the planet one of them saves even even in the first Maybe they were always they like they had good hearts and good character They were goofballs sure but they did the right thing and they were brave And they you know, they were good in the end they did the right dude Another heart-melting moment is the black gate fight our gold rubs off and then those two do they're the next two Yeah, they're the first ones to join aerodorn Yeah If anything scotty and pippin have the most character Did you just say scotty and Scotty pippin for the three-point character development, I love that's such a meme right there. It's like my favorite character the scotty and Hey Scotty Mordor the other The other big thing to think about in mind is uh, mario pippin also get the ends involved and Dude, they have a lot of impact Fucking the witch king is essentially set up to be killed by mary Yeah, like here's the thing if you're going to complain about the three films like Sure fellowship is is the least grandiose the least happens in it It is all character development But if you ignore the character development, it looks like nothing happened Yeah, it's all you could say it's smaller scale right because maria is a battle between the characters and a monster Amon hand is a battle between foot soldiers of saruman and our heroes and then in two towers We have a country or you know faction Fighting another factions and then our meetings It is the first act of the story So it the whole story is a setup for the rest of the story But it still manages to give all of the characters development in that time. It's my favorite of the three It's my favorite as well.  There's yeah, they're all there's no wrong answer For me, this is kind of like I was the first to love all three Yes Oh dear What seems at the start and at the end are incredible the villain of lirts is so badass And I wish we could have had more time with him, but sadly he gets daft and mauled and taken up fairly quickly I mean, he's not really He's not really a character. He's not really a character. He is literally nobody He's just an urkai. He was put in charge. No, he is he's not even an urkai He's the urkai with a handprint on his face. Yeah, that is what he is Well, yeah, he's he's saruman's henchman They make it clear that basically no orcs or urkai or goblins have like personal motivation It's they're in an army because they're essentially corruptible monsters that just differed soldiers None none are recognizable past like a five minute mark like well, you have this is the longest one The longest one that's recognizable is the one that wants to eat uh scotty pippin And like he's the only one that sort of like keeps coming back, but other than that. Yeah, they're all forgettable Well, I was gonna say the only reason I know their names really well I think it's because of the games. It's not the movies because uh, yeah the movies don't yeah, you wouldn't know I remember I knew them He's not even named in the film.  I don't think he shows up in many of the games But yeah, I don't know like he's like he gets Darth bald. It's like, I don't I don't know what Grishnack is the name of the work.  That was probably it too that I got to know their names Odd enough for me. It was the uh Games workshop uh miniatures because I was collecting them when the film was coming out Nice. Yeah, when you love an ip you will buy that merch That's just what happens.  It's like it's like with with the orcs in it and well everyone Morality is very just setting that these are the good guys.     Yeah, yeah, yeah, he he's the most aggressive of his kind.   They're evil. It's it's Obvious the bad man adam said Gandalf is gone at that part. It's like that's why it would be funnier. Gandalf just shows up He's like in the middle of fighting the balrog and he's just like aragorn this enemy is dangerous Much the same as lirts is he will meet here in the future Look at him. He's so badass. He gets stabbed and pulls himself further on of the sword I need to get treated like him. So this is something I would highlight as why he's um, you know more impressive than your average Urukai, but this is not why I would highlight why he's such a great character. This feels very superficial Yeah, he literally he's impervious to pain. Oh my god. Who knew? It's like I don't know not going to be ascribing stuff quite yet But I mean it seems like we know what makes you like characters They do stuff like that. Well, he kind of he just complained that he was too much like Darth Maul And then he gave him a compliment that kind of made him sound like Darth Maul I mean, this is this is probably what he's trying to say. Darth Maul's cool, but he doesn't have much character. It's like Yeah, and lirts has less well has less character than Darth Maul. Yeah, I mean, yeah, Darth Maul actually has a Darth Maul has a character. It's very very simplistic. It's established in like two sentences He hates Jedi. He wants them to the Sith terrain.  He's like, all right Good kill them all And lirts is I am evil glumpus from under the floor. I will work for sarah, but you're like, okay.  What's the god of love? Read the books. Read the books. Although that's best part of the movie Not in the book. That's part of the movie. Best part of the movie I hate this guy. What is this? That is what I just said. I just said he wasn't he wasn't comparing him to Maul As as an insult it was a compliment. What?  What are we watching? Like lirts What do you even mean by that? Like him being in the film is the best thing for you or his fight with aragorn or amon hen as a whole because He's the best part of the film because he has a really awesome action scene of aragorn and That's literally saying he's cool. It's cool because it's just like Darth Maul Oh, oh my god. He killed Boromir. So, you know, he eliminated a non-character. Was it? Kind of like Qui-Gon. Oh Dynomatic parallels.    He just he just wants to sadistically shoot him with the arrow and he got him It's literally a game of how many arrows will fit in one man before he stops breathing Lirts is like, what is your health bar, dude? It is one of those moments where it's like just dude drop the sword you've done your job Yeah, as it turns out orcs hate men like literally hate men If because if someone was like, what is your favorite part of the film? I probably like, I don't know. I guess I don't know. I love all of Moria. I love all of them. Yeah. Yeah, he began from bow and the bowrogg in uh fellowship the ring for me Oh my god, yeah, all right That is the best bow bar. It's amazing. There's no doubt That deal is this In fact, saruman was barely in the first novel who's only in a memory of so this argument doesn't matter The movie is different from the book He's already established. He doesn't he thinks he thinks so little of the books.    He's like whoa, and the implication is that those things can corrupt pretty easily like How saruman got corrupted Um orcs as as a race they seem like they're just The creatures of like evil and pain and hatred in this world like that's what that's what they are There's not like an orc running around like hey, my name is barb corrupt elves Yeah, they're not characters in that sense that they are evil. They're too far gone. It's They're not like humans. They're not another race in the sense of Even orc was to arrive at Rivendell and say hey man. I want to fight with you guys I'll give you info on saran. I don't like this whole thing.  It's like the if an orc wants to be a good guy Then they would be accepted at the fight against evil, but there's no such orc or okay. That's not a thing in this universe No, I don't know what else to say about that like as if as if the implication is We kill these orcs and like we raid their villages and they're just they're just doing their thing We all we execute. It's like this is war. They're fighting against us It's it's bizarre though that he's like he's complaining too though Like it's like you might want to rewind like half a second because it's like he's saying like oh all these races are equal And he's pointing at the fellowship and then he goes except there's slaves and then he points at literally the enemy race I don't understand. I don't understand what his point is It's not just that though It's not just they the films the films in the books don't No, this is This is not star trek.   Nobody is equal And well not to mention elves are just the class everyone would pick. They're immortal. They're really light They they're like really agile.  They're extremely skilled Actually, I don't know if you'd want to pick them though because there is the argument about because they don't actually have free feel uh free will like we do elves don't They're uh, they they don't have complete free will. That's the lore. They're sort of they're sort of bound to god's will in a certain way Yeah, basically they're they're foritarians Yeah, sort of sort of right the other thing is the fact that because elves are immortal and they have like, you know Well, ridiculous lifespans because of that.  The orcs seem to be happy uh in the scenes they've shown.  Well, but we have this in a lot of Storylines just like I said foot soldiers is the archetype. They we're not going to explore their characters But I don't get the impression that orcs have them They don't think evil incarnate Yeah, well, yeah, well, yeah Yeah, somebody in chat just point out will remind me as well They were elves once taken by the dark powers tortured and mutilated. They are corrupted elves.  Yeah, that's what I was saying feel like that's what they're trying to imply Sort of the way that the elves are bound by god's Rule or whatever the point is there's also a devil in the universe so the devil rules them So they're they don't have personalities.  Yes, the eagle is the proof that they would well even grima Theodon offers grima to redeem himself basically Yeah, I I think there could have been a really cool grima worm tongue redemption arc that could have happened But um, yeah, we don't get to explore every possible thing. That's just this is a weird weird point Um, the idea of the hypocritical because there's no orcs in team fellowship. It's like, okay The good race is a white.  I guess we could start off with all the good races are white Even though there are clearly black gondorians Yeah, there's at least there's at least the one and if we're gonna be we're gonna be pedantic about this saying that It's all an allegory for white good black bad. Then that's gonna throw a stick in there, isn't it? um the Is is he see we simply referring to literally skin tone then right? That's what we're doing because Even then that doesn't work because there is racial tension between all of these races Even though their skin tones are very very similar the humans the dwarves the elves the hobbits They're all you know caucasian looking, but they're still different races and they have there there can be some racial Yeah tension there even though they have the same color I would more than like I would pick that allegory before the one he's going with I'd be like so that the film is trying to say no matter who you like what you look like You can work together Um, it's to really depend on what's in your heart given the climate and what's what it's based off of that They're all white right well But I mean not even all the orcs are black though or dark. Yeah, that's the next part of the sentence Which is all the orcs are black and that's clearly not true. There are many white and pale orcs Saruman is white. Yeah, um greener is white green Like pretty much everyone. Yeah, the if you watch through this film and you pay attention to the orc skin tones A lot of beige and pale orcs that the easterlings talking about grishnak Grishnak is uh, let me double check on him. I think he's relatively dark But I was gonna say that the easterlings are made up of like Both white people and uh, I think half cast people sort of thing like it's dark. It was um, in the And he was like, oh, yeah Um, because I pulled up the picture of him on the wiki And he's surrounded by three orcs that are not dark. Uh, let me pull it up I know there are two like grayish ones one of them's white I know I know it's I know it's the hobbit, but azog. Oh, yeah, he's known as the pale orc Yeah, and uh bold Um So the one that was on uh, yeah, but so yeah, I don't know this seems um Godmog is the general and he's white Yeah, I would go as far as saying the secondary antagonist of the the trilogy behind sarron is probably golem He is not black He is a pale boy. Yes, sir And yeah, and goth mog as you just said he's quite a representation of like a leader and he's fully white and the shades of green as well They orcs ironically do come in many colors. Well, and yeah, this is a weird appeal as well because like So, you know, I gotta feel the way he's gonna go with it Well, I was just gonna say like the reason why Enemy creatures and scary creatures are portrayed in darkness or are darkest because harder to see things Make us as just creatures that like to identify What we're dealing with they're spookier Like if we can't like the spider in the cave that's dark It's like, yeah, why wasn't it all lit up? It's like well because it's scarier if we can't quite make out what it is That's just pretty simple an army of urukai charging at you And they're all like Almost demonic darkness as a shroud pouring over helms deep. It's just like, yeah, there's a reason why it's all not lit up like but also there is also Sorry, I was just gonna say that there are corrupted men that uh, like the wildlings also fight for saraman The man for sorrow. I'll give that my avatar.  Who are they easterlings Easterlings might they're mostly white. Also someone mentioned in chat. I forgot about them the um, the the what are they called the dundlin men the the the yeah, yeah, yeah, the wildlings Yeah, they could call them wildlings. They're the big beaded ones who in the extended in two towers They go we will die for saruman. Yeah, he was them. They're pretty much all white, right? Yeah Yeah, the damondings. Yeah well I don't entertain this shit, but yeah, it's There's a lot of white people in lord of the rings.  It's a temperate zone. It's gonna have white people I just yeah, I don't know everyone's white.  That's that's not what it was going for Again basic cinematic language Being misunderstood and it's a good message as well because it can can be a throughout your life Is sort of don't judge a book by its cover Hobbits are heroes elves are heroes been their heroes like everyone could be a hero, you know, it's what you do I mean the hell smegel saves froto. I want to say How many times did he save him at first because he saves him from drowning to the ghost people um He saves Is there any other time because I was gonna say sam froto save sam when he falls down the What are you trying to count?  Yeah, and it's not just that though. It's also the whole well I hate to point out to you. This is a fantasy.  I would just say it's allegory gone wild is when they they go hyper interpretation and they're just like This is what it's saying now. It's like, okay, so that was just an idea you had and your reason your References are not accurate. This is the problem. It fucks with your ability to use it as an allegory I just you know, it's annoying, but Do whatever you want lord the rings is not about that, but all right Yeah, equal Don't you see this madness and even if you can't even just play a quote of them saying that all races are equal like Again, it does they it's never insinuated.  It's kind of like it's really clear They're just the best Yeah As long as you don't get depression you're pretty much sorted as an elf because you know As long as you don't get any like, you know fucking chronic illnesses you'd be fine Yeah, and to clarify not saying he like that makes Elrond a better person than Frodo or something That's not it's not the point.  Okay, like others can't Yeah, it's not like our world It's not it's really not the same level If you want as much, you know that how can all races be equal when the hobbits are constantly shown as the vastly superior race We've destroyed stop hobbits. Did you say hobbits are shown as the vastly superior race? No, maybe any superior did like wielding the ring. Maybe that's fine. Yeah They're superior in that they're the most humble. It's like it's like They're superior in that they're not superior. That's what makes them superior not to mention that uh, Even resilience to the ring isn't consistent across hobbits. So what happened when uh, some eagle first encountered it? No, they literally only Frodo is allowed to is allowed to carry it. That's it's Each each of the the hobbits goes through a different character arc like Scotty Pippen they he goes he goes from just be they go from being like coattail chasers to Sacrifices at the end of the first film to revolutionaries in the second and then by the end they've both like uh sworn allegiance to different kings. So it's like like Like and the point is that they've done that from a position of inferiority Physically which character wise makes them superior That's how they're superior And even even in the beginning of the first movie a lot of the hobbits are portrayed as you know Like bill ball wants to get away from him He's thinking of how annoying they are and they won his house and A lot of them are just normalish kind of people with their own familial issues Hobbits are all over the place. They're like men Kind of well, I would just say that I think that's part of Lord the Rings Is that all of them are all over the place a lot of different people a lot of different things? Yeah, they're people Yep Quit trying to say something. You're clearly not your hypocritical new zealand bastard Okay Oh, yeah, we're all equal even though the hobbits are much much better much stronger much more independent much What are you talking about?  Oh my god. Oh wait, I just missed that because I want to get a drink. Did you just say he said the hobbits? Hobbits are stronger. Yeah. Well, I physically or mentally All right, let's play it again If you want to say I'm looking too much into that How can all races be equal when the hobbits are constantly shown as the vastly superior race? Quit trying to say something. You're clearly not your hypocritical new zealand bastard Oh, yeah, we're all equal even though the hobbits are much much better much stronger much more independent much braver and basically better Braver braver. They're braver. Exactly. What is happening right now? I even agree that they're braver.  Yeah, I mean it it it was at you know In part because of their bravery though It's just the fact that they have so little to work with compared to everyone else and they did so great I'm assuming that was the point of that so that goes against everything. He just said Brodo had a whole set of tools. He had the the special uh Uh special armor underneath his cloak. He had the special sword that blows You know like he he had He and then he also had like a companion that whose job was literally to protect him specifically had the hard carry Yeah, and then he had the hard carry like and then scottie pip and literally had nothing Oh, of course, um, but like you have having boromir Like battle 30 or a kai at once Well, solely to defend the lives of two innocent little creatures sort of thing and then aragorn heading head first Alone into a huge army ahead of everyone else.    So, you know, he could well be Well, he doesn't have a He has a longer lifespan than a normal human But oh and of course there's so many examples I don't mean to not mention them, but of course, uh a win standing in front of The witch king for a dad.  Yeah And in fact the whole uh, it's just weird to to be like all of these attributes hobbits destroy the rest on him. It's like Uh, what is this? Everything than us the Nazgul are awesome and again, I wish we had more time to focus on them But these movies always seem to push the interesting really starting to notice a pattern on what he likes versus what he does not like He likes. Yeah, very superficial levels of cool. Um, he wants more time with the Nazgul and don't get me wrong They're basically not characters.  No, it's he only he only complains About the character moments and then says that there's no character in them And then says that these moments that are nothing are better If only they had more of these nothing both and when we say nothing moments, right? What's happening here is they're about to be found. Ah, they made it. That's like that's the tension of the scene It's literally tension. Yeah It's nothing It is nothing. It's a jump scare.  Okay more alerts. We need more ring race.   No, no, they they show them all in the flashback No, wait See that would be a point that he would actually make you be like, there's no ring wraith on the fellowship. So what's that about? That's not how it works I thought all races were equal You actually I actually want that now. It's just derrick the ring wraith.  I'll fight with you guys.  How come how come they can't enter deep water, but they can't go in shallow water? This is not real and walk into a puddle, but I can't chucker into the ocean What?  Voorhees and freddy versus jason? In three hours other than so that's it. He just wanted to point out they walk in shallow water They do not walk in deep water. They don't jump into a river But they'll they'll have they'll be on a horse and the horse is in like ankle deep water at the most They'll do that, but they won't jump into a river. They're totally the same thing Goddamn it Then he's the hero. He had the funny ones. He's the god amongst man who can do anything He's the calm collector. I thought you said the hobbits were the best No, yeah, the god among men who can do anything is okay Little confused Bad ass. He's the annoying dwarf. Okay. Annoying dwarf Not annoying What I've never heard gimli be described as annoying.  He's like one of them Oh, and then and he has so many quips. It's brilliant Yeah, remember that scene when he stopped ocean. He's when she when he saw galadriel. That was like It's kind of cute. We're very dangerous over short distances He's over there.  That's still only counts as one Yeah, he's annoying. That's my he's annoying. Yeah, that's it.  I don't know.  Well, he's trying to hold it too now. I wonder I just just wonder curious.  I didn't like it So it's worse dude.    I think so name He was just full name.   He has a he has a bit of significance in the last film better bring him back. Just I'm sorry I'm sorry.  No, no, don't you get it? He's saying, yeah, maybe that's the case, but it's better than Lord the Rings Which is not infuriating Yeah, look like I said, I don't think I don't think he'd be holding I don't think his his argument his argument is just I like dobby more than candle dobby dobby scotty I just Dobby and scotty I just got a vibe that he doesn't think he's so highly of harry potter anymore. I just got a vibe Yeah They're just like Okay, okay He's just wrong. He's just literally he literally has a bellrog hanging from his ankle. What are they going to do? Okay, so now that the whip just let's get that. Let's just get the references 100 correct For this for this man and for us and for the audience The situation is several goblins looking at possibly like 20 of firing arrows at the team Gandalf is what you could call. I don't know a 10 second run away from the heroes and he's slipping off the edge And he's sacrificed himself.  It's not happening.   Just go It's not it's not about oh, please help me. Please.  Yeah, very wrong.   I felt nothing I think you might have a mental problem Especially when it's obvious they wouldn't get off the heroes in the first hour anyway Oh, but we don't know which one of the four like Jesus christ Two of them are arguably expendable.  What's about to happen?  How do you know that aowyn and all these other characters amour and How do you know it doesn't work anyway? Do you have no clue? I mean, I mean none of them are characters. So surely any of them could die any minute and it wouldn't matter This argument doesn't work anyway because it It flies in the face of rewatching a film. You can't do it anymore Like you just can't because you know everything that happens. So you can't possibly be invested You can't rewatch or replay or redo a thing.    So anyways, so anyways the point This is a bad argument because it's not it's not even about like whether or not it had an impact Like that is a superficial Uh criticism but like objectively did the film set this up Did the film play around with it and then did the film pull the rug out from underneath its feet at the end And the answer is yes. So that means like Like objectively it works. It doesn't matter if you don't feel it The point is that the story functions properly in that sense.     Yeah Well, well remember when they write to the shire and they're like And then as soon as they uh hobbit tells them or yeah tells them they just I don't think they well they also don't they just like cut him down as well. I No, they don't go back goes back inside.  That's it.  They're they they're focused on Frodo. Like they know where he is now They're going to get them Yeah, they had because all they had was the shire and baggins You know, that's all they had from golem and they tortured them and that's well That was their efficiency. They they managed to catch them up to um, uh, was it buckwood?    The point is that she's like a feminine Character who's matronly. She cares. She has a heart She's the this again like he he's misinterpreting setup with Development like he's mixing the two up like this is that you're allowed to do this You're allowed to set up a character like this and then then you can complain after the setup that something came out of nowhere Also, wait a minute. This is not even the first time he's made this complaint. This is this is after She escapes the ring rates, right? She's she's like Frodo. Don't give in.  He's about to die Like yeah, Frodo's life is more important than just Frodo So well, that's what I want to stab you.  Even you what do you mean?  Secondly.  This is again back to the my mother died and I felt nothing Like why is this woman care that somebody else is dying?   Don't say just a random death would upset anyone because what do you mean? Dude, I I'm literally I've literally come across dying animals in the woods and oh my god.  That's that's it. It's just like I It is silly that I have to point that out that you're trying to feel an emotion when something dies Emotions are effeminate So you can't do that. It's your guy Is it gay to mourn because it's treated like in a moment between actual friends with the direction of musicals It's treated as though they're actual friends. Please tell me how you inferred this like how do you defy? How do you know that? What is the difference between a scene where a friend is dying And a person in general that you care about is dying and all you have is tearing up How do you def how do you discern the difference? How how is that done? The amount of tear drops that fall from the uh, of course.  How no she knows a lot about him at that point Why do you think why do you think she's here? Yeah, what do you think she's doing with him if she knows nothing about She's like hey, man. Do you want to ride? Like little hobbits or stranger hobbits specifically or just her fetish Yeah, she gets very upset when she finds a wounded hobbit in the forest Like oh, look at oh, yeah. Oh, that's that's actually the other thing He's not actually about to die. He's actually about to turn into a ring rave Oh, right. Yeah, that's that is the fate of those stab by his His his body is supposed to be well, you see the transformation going.  It's not fun But uh, like again, you know talking about like, you know seeing the dying animal It's not just dying.   This happens at the hour mark. Oh, yeah, because nothing can happen in an hour We don't know anything about him. What do you mean? We know exactly what is happening Do you know what tragic it is to start your incredibly long journey and get like an almost kill wound right at the beginning? His little hobbit's in for a lot. Oh, it's fucking. I don't care if you don't care Look, what else can we say? I don't care that you don't care. That's that's pretty much where I'm at Like that's fine with me. I cared. Well, don't worry. Mahler. I care that you don't care that he doesn't care right The one hour mark about the guy. Nothing. I genuinely couldn't care less if any of our heroes aside from Boromir died Okay What am I supposed to do with that? How was Boromir established to make the character you care about? Yeah, we was like, how do we how do we know from this guy's perspective? Tell us who we're watching the video. How come Boromir works for you, but like nobody else does Where's Boromir's characterization that is so far superior that it literally just like it dwarfs every other character Yeah, it raises everyone else and they're just and they just devolve into Pardon me.   I gotta stop thinking so much belch um Yeah, I love that he gives this pass to barbius You're okay barbie you stand over there.  Oh nice. Yeah, but if he died nobody would care because you don't really like death isn't you know, whatever Speaking of which Boromir played by Sean Bean. He's the only character in this film with any kind of development and even that He's the third time third time that's been said. Stop it. Somebody must stop this man It's it's it's fascinatingly wrong Stop it Boromir does arguably have like he has the shortest character arc But the most powerful but like it's very explicit Like yeah, there's a lot going on with Boromir But the thing is to say he's your favorite is like saying The part of the rock song you like the most is when they hit that one hard note And it's like hey, man. He is my favorite.  There's got a huge weight on his shoulders in retrospect through, you know through his brother's experiences Yeah, yeah, we get we get a lot of information that it really I find him quite endearing that he's this He's like a legend and he's fulfilled his like position in his family and his kingdom Comes to this fellowship and he's just not taken seriously. In fact, he's villainous almost immediately And yet if you watch his actions carefully, he keeps doing really good things He's just getting more and more corrupted and tempted by this ring Which is entirely informed by the fact that he wants to save his kingdom Yeah, there's a lot of really nifty little things with Boromir and what he says and what his concerns are and how he like The first one of the first things we see him doing after they leave Rivendell is he is training Mary and Pippin in swordsmanship because he knows that they'll need it and they need to be trained in this Like he legitimately cares when they're in the The car address pass Uh in the snows coming down Uh, what happened?  He jumps with them and uh, when they get to the staircase in Moria He's he's looking after them specifically Um, he cares about him a lot and of course, uh, the the the line that solidifies it all is when he's close to death He says, uh They took the little ones. It's like extremely gut-wrenching if you're very invested in Boromir. Yeah I mean even when Gandalf dies Boromir is saying to the hobbits Boromir's the one who has Frodo and tries to get Frodo out while they're in danger But once the danger is passed he wants them to have a moment to grieve Boromir's a legend Oh my god, get over it These films are really efficient with these characters I wouldn't want to imply that we can't do this with all we did it with Frodo earlier Like there's loads for everyone. I know I know like like obviously we're gonna get to that like, um I don't know. I think I'm in in my mindset this game. We're playing like he's just criticizing the first film as a standalone So I'm trying to stick with that that mindset as I'm like Well, sure. I think there's a lot to work with still for Boromir Like all the moments we just mentioned are all in the fellowship Outside of faramia's uh, well, it's a deleted scene as well, which is kind of a shame You know, you keep going to that deleted scene argument, don't you? But I just said I didn't You've raised the additions are the real additions That's true. Uh, if someone was like the theatrical have floors and those floors aren't present in extended I'd just be like, why are we not talking about the extended? Why are we talking about the theatrical?  This is a gift This weapon is set up. It's it's that this is literally this is lit again. This is literally the setup He this is setting up Core characteristic Boromir is defined his weak by wanting to save his kingdom They're setting up that he's weak to this ring in this very moment So that when it happens at the end, it's not a surprise Can't believe it. It's not much something and then he gets into a fight with Frodo. Oh my god This summary is gonna hurt. Isn't it this is gonna get into a fight with Frodo This is gonna hit my soul and he gets to a fight with Frodo. Please please don't in defense of Boromir Sum him up so simplistically. Please please please please don't skip all the scenes.   Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god The fact that he died is what makes him interesting Yeah, it's not it's not everything. I he's not interesting. I wouldn't agree with that That's the point of his character though is that wait hang away. Are you saying that? Honestly, are you saying that's his perspective? I don't agree that because I completely disagree that his death isn't the reason he's an interesting person He would he would know he would certainly be way less interesting if he had not made this sacrifice because the the point is that he Don't make you could like if he would have somehow survived these wounds It would not have made him any less interesting Because his intention was fully to if he had to sacrifice himself to save the hobbits If he happened to survive this we know that he was still committed to doing it Which doesn't take anything away from his character Yeah, but then he would have just been han solo and return of the jedi for the whore No, no, no, no So what we've got to work with then is he's going to feel like he's the reason mary and pipin were taken And he's going to be wanting to fight for him back and he wants to save gondol There's loads to work with still his impact in the return of the king would have been massive because of faramir and denithora's relationship And we got that if he was alive Remember, he would have completely changed that dynamic denithora is a character He's pretty much entirely identified by the fact that he is still a good guy conco but he thinks there's no chance They can win and that's clearly in baramir and his conversations with argon The last thing he says to argon when he knows he's dead is you can do it save the kingdom fight for our people I would have followed you, you know Yeah, go to my king the implication being that had he survived I think argon and baramir's relationship would have been fascinating to watch Absolutely, and I think the endings for like denithora was even described as like a Poison that sarin is using against gondor and if baramir was alive that would have totally changed how denithora would have behaved Yeah, honestly barbius surviving. I'm on hand. I'd be game to watch that. What if Absolutely, it's like the it's it would have been a I think it would have been a very different especially um the return of a king Okay, mauler you get that movie, but it's written by ryan johnson.  It's definitely the sting at the end of the first movie is that he dies It's it's the punctuation of what I feel like It is a very important point because he is Like I you know like besides aragorn He's the most royal one in the party and the fact that he's the one that died like that looks bad for the party And like that that's a very important plot point like he he is more I mean, unfortunately he he is kind of more of a plot point than a character in some in some ways like Not I'm not de-min. I'm not de-min. No, I don't I don't really mean that like that I like the idea. He's looking at me and rags of avatars. He's like He's bore me and ferramir.  All right I like I like the way that it that hit bore me your story is continue through ferramir though I feel I like I like that better because then when his father, you know sacrifices him at the end It's just like what were you doing like? What why would that even happen?  Even if he's like out of the fight in some way or if he spends the next X amount of time bedridden while he heals either way He lives or dies here massive implications for both because bare mirrors bore mirrors really important as a character for the trilogy So either way It does a lot And I would say his his death is the punctuation of what we've learned all about him This is only a result of everything we know about him Like this is always it would have happened to aragorn had he been in the situation. He would have died to save two hobbits Yeah, that's another thing is is that he serves as like a reflection of what can happen to our Our more beloved characters like Like this again is the most royal character. So like There's a focus on him that he's supposed to be the most noble and then just in a very short period of time falls And then and then redeems himself And and dies like to shoot, you know, you know, I can we just let's just move on How amazing these non-characters are Right. Yeah Can I just say this was the best part of the video so far just talking about Accidentally admitting there are things about barbie that are good in characterization. It's like, oh, thank god. We got something Wow The character died and and I actually cared So that's what this feels like. What more world has just returned Why what's his argument as to why he cares though because he said that Boromir was kind of selfish and then he was selfless He just says it's cool And do this what i'm talking about Boromir's like the not Boromir's like lirts. He's so cool I'm not a fan of the whole like the reason Boromir's arc is meaningful is because he was selfish and then selfless I'd be like, no, no, that's He does that in like five minutes. Well, but that's kind of what i'm getting at though It's just like that's such a surface level reading. It's like go a little more depth about that What what does all of it mean? Why did it go into the seat that covers it?  Help city, yeah Where he's like he's he thinks aragon is slowly sort of warming to him and and the fact that it's all about gondor And he's like we're gonna save our people and he's like i'll never let the ring get anywhere near that your white city It's like oh Shit like aragon isn't entirely convinced that gondor Is trustworthy and it's a huge like wedge between them and that's what again What makes that death seed? Even will be full of the fact that they have the the closure on that subject and aragon is gonna fight for the white city is awesome Also, I'd like to bring everyone's attention to what i just posted Oh, he's he's got a common saying opinions are subjective get over yourself Not just that but the guy well somebody said that yeah This was shit and then he said Hey it translated to I didn't watch the whole thing and I can't counter any of the points Oh, right So the first comment says I could pick apart so many of the criticisms in this review But it would take too long and he said that translates into I can't counter any of the points didn't watch the whole thing Opinions are subjective get out of here. I want to make everyone aware We've just crossed into the three hour mark. Is that seven eight nine?   We don't really do stars We're known for hating star wars and bike and women Why won't you just buy the toys and shut up?  It's like, yeah. Yeah, maybe yeah We could do possibly. I'll let you know I only hope that he repeats the same points and we just get to go We've already covered that so we don't have to right spend another usually gets faster because yeah, that's we'll we'll see I hope we would just repeat ourselves. So and even sarah man has no reason to turn evil. No What? I've never seen someone be so efficiently wrong every sentence What do you mean? He's explicit explicit in this scene I need another beer It's this whole scene explains it so Fucking efficiently Saraman is fully convinced that saran has the power to take over the entire world with no trouble He's literally saying i'm going to pick the winner. Yep.   There is only one lord of the rings and he does not share power.  Well, he's he's uh, he's also corrupted by the Palantir as well gandalf says Like no idea who's watching It's the same as denifor it it poisons the mind it It feeds on your worst and darkest desires and makes you well become Well, the worst version of yourself and well if you do that to a wizard you get a pretty nasty enemy Well, I mean you you guys keep saying even aragorn wouldn't touch the ring But like even gandalf wouldn't touch the ring Like well gandalf knows that the power would corrupt him Yeah, like if you force him to put the ring on gandalf, he'd be fucked that Like it's set up in that he won't touch the ring when he's given the chance to and throws it in the fire instead Like that is all we need to know that saraman can also be corrupted the same way. That's again Communicating and yeah, gandalf fears it its power and The Yeah, it just goes back to just goes back to hobbits and frodo not one in the ring because they don't desire power They don't desire to rule over men. They they just want to live happy little lives. That's why he's the ring bearer Why is this guy saying so many mean things about my wizard? I want to I want to remind everyone as well. He said that in like two seconds and we just fed like 10 minutes I'm gonna assume while I was pissing away my frustrations and grabbing more alcohol That you guys have demolished the whole saraman has no reason to turn evil Yes, it wasn't that good because he explicitly says it. I just wanted to make sure Oh, he's mates with gandalf and then goes evil and his excuses. Oh my god, you read this like a child He's mates with gandalf and he goes evil It's like okay, that's If if the if the volume's off and you peer at the screen once per minute You might come to that conclusion. I suppose Mates with gandalf is pretty complicated as a relationship. No, I I get it like they're friends one second and then they're not friends What does this mean nonsense? Again, mother rings not convocated. It's really not I was gonna say it's explicit in this sermon Sarman gives gandalf the chance to join him.  You know when he goes to visit him at orfank.      The dark lord does not share power This That's it. That's all you need Whatever happened to crazy What happened to crazy? Well, what's happening? He's Okay, all right You can't be crazy no more Do we eliminate crazy from the dictionary? I mean, I'm just pausing now for the sake of copyright just being careful.   No, chris. You do need a reason. How can anybody take this Well, we went over it. Saruman's not crazy. No, he's not. He's pretty clever actually Yeah, just point out as well. Uh, remember when he was complaining about too much exposition And now he doesn't understand the actual exposition Again, I've said the story that it's explicit in this scene. It's hard to miss Fight scene seriously. Let alone give it an award.  Yeah, it's like Saruman explicitly says We're gonna lose. We can't stand against the armies of mortar. We're gonna join with him At least we'll be we're gonna be with the winners.  Yeah, it's explicitly For no reason All right, yeah, I'm assuming He's just gonna like I you know what this is ironic is I was just gonna complain too many cutaways and it's literally a family guy cutaway Looks like we see the inspiration Tell me when the music stops because I don't know if it's copyright free I'm assuming. Yeah, this is Yes, okay So I knew I knew when he complained at the beginning that this is why it was silly It's like, yeah, like this is the limitation of films that you are dealing with too. Jerry Attrick I still feel like this is entirely on the individual whether or not you're gonna just Dissern this as ridiculous is really on how much you're immersed But again, like it with in the logic of the film like I feel like, you know, you know, besides the the obvious Suspension just believe that it works fine I'll take a wild guess that even well, he's used family guys as the reference or whatever but I take a wild guess that he would have preferred a Harry Potter wands beams flying at each other Yeah, energy shields and blasts Yeah, I got it for impressions about that was it instead of having a more physical visceral fight between that would be cool Yeah, this is yeah Fuck me Music still going. Yeah, they should have just punched each other We are we done? No No That was badass when he did that. Hey, you know what you should thank him for making this It means we get to skip a decent portion of the film. Yeah, just like just keep this going I mean, yeah, I think he's humiliating him. That's it's supposed to be silly. He's humiliating him. Yeah, he's one He is like humiliation is supposed to be silly and it's part of what makes the Unfortunately deleted scene between Saruman and Gandalf in the third film so effective is Saruman attacks Gandalf He fails and then Gandalf breaks his staff. He's overcome him Yeah, this this is Saruman tea bag in Gandalf. Yes. Yes. It's not He didn't want to kill him. He wanted he wanted him to join him Yeah, and what did he do? Oh, he stuck him at the top of his tower until Hopefully he changed his mind and if not, well, I guess I guess presumably he was gonna kill him And for reference, you can find it silly There's just we can't do anything with that if the individual finds it silly or doesn't find it silly There's not really much of an argument. You're just like, okay Yeah, yeah, the the actual well was actually happened the right in all, you know, the actual, you know The conflict of interest are not the conflict of interest the conflict of ideals That's what's important. Yeah If you find the actual spin around or the spotlight or else he's like kind of like, you know Like well, you like he looks like he's like paralyzed or frozen, you know You can laugh about it. It's fine. It's not a big deal.  Like he's he's using Word magic to to cause a thing to happen And it's it's christifally bellowing out this speech like I don't what One of Christopher Lee's greatest moments like the eye so the finding this silly I'll be like, all right, this is actually harder for me to see I just think this is epic as fuck. I love that he thinks that he's talking to the mountain though like Nothing else is happening in this shot. He's just talking to a mountain Yeah, I like wake up cruel red horn and all this stuff.   Oh, no, that's just actually cool. Yeah He's I think I think there should be a one british person per e-fab Whatever We have what do we oh, yeah, that's actually we've got the only the only double up we have this time around is british. That's interesting I well as motherfucker Wait, what do you mean people who like the prequels loved count dooku You know what I read about christopher lee for like incidental lord of the rings research He did the concept album About being sure. Yeah, it's like a heavy metal take on charlemagne. Like he's old and dude He's one of the best humans that ever existed christopher. He's definitely one of the top tier humans He used to play chess with tolkin. He's I think he's the only actor who worked on the films that actually had met him And I'm afraid of him. Yeah. Yeah, no no joke Um Oh, I could I could talk about more trivia, but I'm I'm gonna let this dickhead speak No, it's okay Yeah, he's awesome That means you can't criticize the lord of the rings. Yep. That's that's yeah I am I am emotionally biased if you I'm gonna stand for christopher lee I I I will read at you Not only is there no character development, but there's no storm structure either The movie is just walking and talking. I'm a heather. You can't be serious We we have we have dismantled What are you like this is parody now the movie has no structure. It's just walking and talking He's like they have a destination. They must travel structure. He literally said There is no character development. It is just walking and talking I could have sworn he's mentioned structure like no story structure or something. Oh I command you to make people like me in the star wars prequels I yeah, I can't do he's amazing. There's no character development, but there's no story structure Like unironically. Yeah, no story structure Yeah, there's no character development and no story structure But yeah, do you what do you do it like if you honestly want to make an argument for why lord the rings is very flawed Don't open with there's no character development or story structure. That's probably not the best way to start It's just walking and talking. Yeah Shakespeare it's just walking and talking game of thrones just walking dude 12 angry men is just 12 dudes in a room talking Hmm star wars is flying ships through space.  I don't know No, no, no, no Can't talk about that either the movie king and talking JRR walking Oh That was oh god, are you wearing that jacket inside? Maybe you should stay a while I just want to apologize to chat if they were hit by that just in general He I I will admit he's made a couple of jokes and a couple cutaways that made me laugh, but it it's starting to it's I will I will just say that I was wrong as long as I was from our conversation I will just say i'm wrong. Okay, never mind. I'm sorry Oh, just like you could be guilty for old tweets. We will make you guilty for old chuckles new chuckles No longer allowed as well Still going, huh? It's weird because it's not even Yeah, I was it's too late. Why is it doc since music playing because he's made a joke rhymed Tolkien with walking two completely different words Oh, I well, I thought it's like really amazing that he did it I was gonna say he did dildo. I thought I thought you should retire after that Oh, I agree. He should have retired after that, but yeah, here we are here Oh just to clarify I'm not bitching that lord of the rings is too long