I'm sitting here and I don't I'm thoroughly unprepared because I don't have my water How how am I going to make it without having a cult cup the things I do just to try to put on a a decent A decent Bible study and I'm gonna have to suffer through I can't believe it and I have one. I just don't have it here with me. Wow Okay, well, it doesn't matter If the chill if If the people in the bible can go through no, I can't go get it I can't go get it. It what I will do. I think I'll have one of these kids of mine One of my kids would bring it to me But if they can push through without certain amenities, then then you know what? I can't do Amen, so anyway, it's gonna be rough, but let's just pray that the lord just Pushes me through Anyway, hope you all are doing well. We're gonna go ahead and jump into it. We are in the book of joshua so that being said How about we just go ahead and jump in it now There were some things that we did not cover Going through the book of numbers I'm not sure if you guys picked up on it or not If you didn't notice it or if you did notice it. Oh, well, you know what? Maybe it's not as important But uh, we're gonna cover some things one thing that we did not this Discover one thing that we did not cover was I won't tell you But it's a big one. It's a big issue. And so we will we'll look at it today And uh, I think it was good that we didn't cover I think it was it was it was necessary to wait till now because it kind of builds the point for today So anyway, let's go to joshua chapter one first one It says in joshua one one after the death of moses the servant of the lord Uh, the lord said to moses i'm sorry to joshua the son of nun moses My assistant moses my servant is dead Now therefore arrives go over this jordan you and all the people into the land that i am giving to them to the people of israel If you case you guys are wondering what why I was reading so slow and taking so long Here's the reason why I got my got my cup got my Now I feel like now I feel like I can I can I can tackle the world Yeah, I don't feel so bare. I don't feel so naked now. I feel I feel refreshed now. Anyway, so moses is dead And now The responsibility is on joshua Why is joshua Even in this role now before we get there. Let's finish reading what he says to joshua And it's going to kind of build our point for the title of this particular video, which is a godly leader Verse three. He says every place at the soul of your foot will tread upon I have given to you Just as I promise to moses from the wilderness and this lebanon as far as the great river euphrates All the land of the hittites to the great sea towards The going down of the sun shall be your territory No man shall be able to stand before you all the days of life of your life Just as I was with moses. So I will be with you. I will not leave you or forsaken you now The things that god is saying to joshua Don't you want to hear that? Don't you want to hear him saying that I will never leave nor forsake you And of course it that's never the case god has never Left his people so But he's reiterating this and so that should give joshua even more encouragement, but god is going to Back up if there's any need any desire in joshua's part on joshua's part to Not be courageous and not feel brave or emboldened then god is going to cover that as well Verse six. He says be strong and courageous For you shall cause this people to inherit the land that I swore to their fathers to give them Only be strong and very courageous Be careful to do according to all the law that moses my servant commanded you Do not turn from it To the right hand or to the left that you may have good success wherever you go The book of the law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night So that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it for then you will make your way prosperous And then you will have good success. Have I not commanded you be strong and courageous Do not be frightened and do not be dismayed for the lord your god is with you wherever you go So This is god speaking to god. Listen. There's nothing like getting a pep talk But even more so if the pep talk is coming from god Now there should be a reason already in joshua for him To be courageous for him to be strong and not be frightened But apparently there's going to be some reason for him to be frightened There's going to be a reason that would cause him not to be strong or courageous Why else would god tell him that Now, do you think that god has told him everything that he's going to encounter?  He hadn't told you That you're going to have this in between that you're going to have these ups and downs But you already know the road is going to be Troublesome, right? You already know that they're going to be hurdles You know in your way That's a given as a matter of fact You should have resolved in you that there's going to be some issues in your life You should have resolved in you that there are going to be things that you're going to encounter And that you are going to have to overcome But you should also have resolved in you that when you overcome these things then there will be a victorious testimony Now doesn't mean that all these things that you're going to encounter are going to be easy that you'll be able to overcome them Quickly no some things you'll be able to deal with pretty quickly Some things are just almost like nuisances that like a little fly bothering you. You just yeah, this is bothersome And oftentimes god just wants to see how you're going to handle those things god wants to see How you are going to comport yourself. Are you going to be the complaining christian? Or are you going to be the courageous christian the one that's going to fight and deal with as it comes? Because ultimately you realize that it's god that's going to have your back Or are you going to be the one that why i can't believe why why why why why? I can't believe what's happening to me what they're saying about me. I can't believe That the world is coming at me like this You would have to not read your bible to think that Bad things problem problematic things troublesome things won't come your way You would have to not read your bible to feel that way Okay, now remember as always if you do have any questions concerning now joshua, but also genesis exasabeticus numbers Deuteronomy as well as joe If you having any any comments about what we're talking about now or the books that we've covered in the past Feel free if we talk about a topic That is not in this that that can lead you somewhere else don't go there Yet Try to try to govern yourself and stay close what we're talking about And if you have a question put a put a big old giant cue or question in front of it Okay, somebody named alfonso rachel's gonna check me out. Okay. Hey alfonso Uh, okay, so now There's a reason though why God is telling this but there's also a reason why joshua is in the position that he's in And why god has confidence joshua has seen some things Now let's remember why joshua is in this place in the first place. Why is joshua here? Why is joshua? Even in this position Obviously because moses has died, but why is joshua going to be the one that's going in the promised land? Well, recall everybody That is over the age of 20 Except for joshua and kaleb perished And so god promised that those that are 20 and under And joshua and kaleb will make it into the promised land now It took them another 40 years and so those that were in there that were 20 and under Are either 40 41 42 50 up to 60 plus joshua and kaleb plus those that were born So the oldest outside of joshua and kaleb will be 60 And then the rest would be the rest would be younger. Okay, so We're talking about a young group of people going into the promised land So Yeah, that helps that matter of fact that that helps with tanya Yeah, if you guys that will that will definitely get my attention If if you can put a red question mark or a red Or a red mark whatever that red mark is if you do that, that'd be cool. That would actually get my attention I might get to going too fast and not to see you and and and miss you so Anyway, so let's go ahead and figure out. Why is it though? Why is it and I think that this is going to be Hopefully and encouraging Bible study as well And I want to pull out some things Now before I get I want to kind of give you an example Of what this bible study can kind of be like You all have seen and we're not going to the book of ester But you all have seen and we'll get there though. So this is kind of me spoiling it But in the book of ester They are dealing with this guy named hayman Hayman Is against the jews and this is the one book where god has not mentioned But hayman is against the jews and He hates the jews for a reason and the bible doesn't tell us In ester why he hates the jews, but it refers back to something that should have been done To hayman or not hayman, but his family that would have eliminated this all together Hayman is what's called it. He was an aggagite. He was a descendant of king aggag and recall We'll get to there later, but samuel tells salt to utterly destroy aggag and all of his family The babies of children everybody the horses the cows the chickens the bird The fish the hamsters the cats the dogs all of that Destroy them all And he didn't Now salt salt not salt samuel comes back and kills aggag But apparently some folks still still lasted why because a descendant of king aggag still happens still seems to make it that is Hayman who was an aggagite. Well, why am I telling you this? Because sometimes you'll see the genesis of a story come to fruition later We'll see something like this something like that again but only in this case it is Something that happened in the past shows up now that should that emboldens And give some strength and some comfort to someone like joshua as well as calum So remember recall they were part of those who were told to go and spy out the land And what happened? Well, let's go back and look and see what happened Is this uh, what Okay, where am I why why is my why is my software here and it should be here what's happening? Okay, let me go. Let's go ahead and read this and I'll go to the other passage We're gonna spend what's interesting is that we're gonna spend some time in numbers Even though we're doing a study over joshua. We're gonna spend a lot of time in numbers because what we didn't cover was We didn't spend enough time covering when the children of israel were called to spy out the land That was uh an obvious oversight It was intentional was a good reason why so that we can cover it now because I want to kind of tie this into joshua And who he is and what he's about but they were told to go and spy out the land and so in numbers 14 I'm sorry not 14 13 25 This is at the end of 40 days They returned that is those spies at the end of 40 days they returned from spying out the land And they came to moses and erin and all the congregation Of the people of israel in the wilderness of paran at kadesh They bought back the word to them and all the congregation and showed them the fruit of the land This is one of those classic I got good news and got bad news That's what this is So they're showing off they're talking about the good news first And so they say we got some good news guys. We got some bad news Let's give you guys the good news first the good news is and i'm gonna put my little picture over here So that way I don't have to keep going back and forth as often And I can just go ahead and go from here. Matter of fact, I want the square version. So let's do that Make it a little bigger, but out of the way Bam, there we go. Okay, cool If I have to go over to the To the hebrou portion, which I don't think I will I don't think we're doing it a deep dive into the hebrou yet We might but if so then I move it out the way So anyway, so They're giving the good news first Verse 28. I'm sorry 27. They said and they told him We came to a land which you sent us It flows with milk and honey And this is its fruit. So they're showing it off But verse 28 however However The people who dwell in the land are strong And the cities are fortified and very large And besides we saw the descendants of anac The amelokites dwell in the land of negaev The hittites the jebusites and the amorites Dwell in the hill country and the cananites dwell by the sea And along the jordan. Who are these people? Do do you guys know? Let me see you in the in the chats Do you all know who these people are they were talking about let me read these names off again And besides we saw the descendants of anac there Verse 29 the amelokites dwell in the land of negaev. So the amelokites We saw the descendants of anac the amelokites the hittites the jebusites the amorites And the cananites. Do you all know who all these people are? Where these people who are these people? Now uh divine creation. Yeah, those the descendants of anac. Those are giants But not all of these people are giants. No, not all of them Do y'all know who these people are? Yeah monkey moves giants, but but the amelokites weren't giants the hittites weren't giants The jebusites weren't giants the amorites weren't giants the cananites weren't giants Who are these people? Who are who are they? I need to get some better clips. I need to put in the color purple And so where the lady can say uh, she can say harple who this? Who are who are these people? Who are the if only If only there were somewhere to go to find out Who these people were If only if only our bible covered that well, it does. So let's go to see what the bible says we'll come back to What is that? We're leaving off on verse 29 so we'll come back to that but let's go see If we can see who these people are would that be good? That'd be good You said, yeah. Oh, you know what you do have two chorus on the screen. What am I doing?  I'm I am Thank you. Daryl. I don't know what was going but you know what You know what Daryl? Two quarries are better than one Two quarries are better than one. Hey man It'd be it it'd be different if it was um, I don't know two heretics But two quarries are better than one. So maybe I should lift it up there, right? Anyway, I'm I'm kidding. So let's go and see where we can find this out. Let's go and see where these people were talked about Let's go to genesis 18. I mean genesis 15 18 now remember by the way guys if you had not marked this down if you He said sometimes Korea so if my wife would agree sometimes two quarries might be better than one but not most of times If you have not written this down yet I said there are certain passages that need to be written down They are just foundational Genesis 3 15 is one Genesis 12 one two and three But genesis 15 also look what what it says in genesis 15 This is the day that the covenant is actually Enacted on that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram saying to your offspring I give you this land from the from the river of Egypt to the great river the river Euphrates Oh, where's this land at? Look what he says the land of the Kenites the kenozites the catamites Look who else is there the Hittites the parasites raffium Amorites the Canaanites the Gurgoshites and Jebusites Now all those folks weren't weren't mentioned In this passage, but some of these were The Canaanites the Amorites The Hittites, but let's go back to it and see there are some other folks that were mentioned as well We need to figure out who these other folks are We see anach there Were that or the Amalekites covered? Well, who are the Amalekites? Who are the Amalekites? Let's go look up who the Amalekites are the Amalekites are in genesis 36 12 In genesis 36 12 it says Timna Was a concubine of Eliphaz Esau's son. She bore Amalek to Eliphaz. Uh-oh So we have a distant cousin who doesn't like these Jews We got a distant cousin Amalek Who is a descendant not of I mean Jacob? But his brother Esau and do you think that they Have a fond view of Jacob's family? No, they do not Even though they're distant cousins. No, they do not but then again so close to the beginning of time. They don't like so these are Esau's people So you got people that are now all of these in some way should perform fashion are descendants of some other cousin of theirs But so now let's go back to it We also have Uh Amalekites we have the Hittites the Jebusites and Amorites, but and the Canaanites, but what about these people up here anach What about anach who who are these people? Do you know who anach is? Let's see. Let me just live. You know, I didn't test this. Let's see if the software will tell me who these people are I've got some um Got some Arabic up here. I don't want the Arabic up here But let's see if it tells us some more These are let's let's make this bigger over here. Let's get rid of this right here I want you all to see this if y'all can see this bottom portion These are long neck men early giant people out of hebron and in the land of philis philistia Do you all know where these people came from? Uh, oh, I'm sorry. I'm playing with the software. You all didn't see it These are the people from um anach These are his people Anach are these are again. Look what it says long neck. Look at the bottom left corner Let me make it just a little bit bigger so you guys can see if you're having trouble seeing it They are long neck tall men early giant people about hebron and in philistia Where do they come from? This is why We had I I did a video about this before Talking about the nephilim and where the nephilim Were they produced by angels? Having relations with human beings Well, I the reason why I don't think so now I could be wrong and I'm not I'm not Uh dying on this particular mountain so but I think though that it wasn't I don't think that that these were People that were descendants of angels or fallen angels These were a tall race of people and after these angels If these were fallen angels that cohabitated with men after they were supposedly wiped out And then the angels were put in chains if some folks view is is to be true We still have the this race of tall people And the land they occupied and lived in brought us these tall these giant philistines Even after these angels had supposedly stopped cohabitating and and having sex with with with human beings So that's why that's one of the reasons why I doubt that these were angels That were mating with human beings because even after that stop we still have these angels I mean these tall people these giants these anac these these descendants of anac Still alive still around And they encounter them in This land that they're going into now. Why is that important? Well, because it seems as though that everybody that was supposed to be dealt with in the past or have some sort of sinful past They're showing up again How could that be? Or or maybe maybe god is trying to show us something. Maybe that's what it is. So let's go to let's let's go back to the book and Let's finish reading. Let's see if we can get some get some more information off of this going back to genesis 13 I'm sorry number 13 In we left off in 29th of verse 30, but Caleb now this is after all of the bad news was brought to them but Caleb Quieted the people before moses and said let us go up at once and occupy it for we are well able to overcome it Look at Caleb Caleb said come on. Let's go Let's fight That was Caleb He was not he had no desire to sit and and listen anyone say well We can't handle these people that we can't know that they're too much. No, that was not an issue for Caleb Caleb said, you know, a matter of fact, forget this nonsense. Let's go right now. Let's go back to it Then the men who had gone up with him said we are not able to go up against the people For they are stronger than we are So they brought to the people of israel a bad report to the land They have spied out saying the land through which we have gone to spied out Is a land that devours its inhabitants and all the people That we saw in it are of great height and There we saw the nephilim The sons of anek Who come from the nephilim and we seem to ourselves like grasshoppers and so we seem to them So let's keep reading then all the congregation raised a loud cry By the way, have you ever noticed that it doesn't take very much For people to buy into bad news A couple folks come back and say yeah, we ain't gonna be able to make it. We did they didn't listen to to Caleb They didn't listen to Caleb. They didn't want to hear what uh, what what josh had to say No, we can't do it. No, boo. Who we can't do it Which is why it wasn't just the spies Who were told they can't make it in but those who also he did The uh, these bad spies their advice And all the people of israel grumbled against moses and air. Look what he says The whole congregation said the whole congregation said Would that he that we had died in the land of egypt? Or Would that we had died in this wilderness? Why is it that the lord bringing us and why is the lord bringing us into this land to fall by the sword? Our wives and our little ones will become a prey Would it not be better for us to go back to egypt? And they said to one another let us choose a leader and go back to egypt now We just read and we talked about this on was it last week, I believe about god's mighty hand now god's mighty hand Was the reason why why every last one of them were brought out Now god's mighty hand was not promised to be used to bring all of these these uh cry babies So to speak into the land He didn't promise that all of israel will be brought into the land But he did promise that all of israel will be brought out of captivity He did he did promise that and so because of that he is going to do so Okay Okay, I can't cover it right now divine creations So anyway God is not going to let their sin They're grumbling. They're complaining last So what does he do as a result of this? Moses and Aaron fell in their face on their faces before all this similar the congregation of the people of israel And joshua the son of none and cala the son of jeffuna Who were among those who had spied the land toward their clothes and said to all the congregation? Of the people of israel the land which we passed through to spy it out Is exceedingly good land If the lord look what he says if the lord delights in us He will bring us into this land and give it to us a land that flows with milk and honey Only do not rebel against the lord and do not fear the people of the land For they are bred for us. Their protection is removed from them and the lord Is with us do not fear them Then all the congregation said to stone. I'm sorry. Then all the congregation Said to the stone with them stones I'm sorry. I'm saying this wrong. Then all the congregation said to stone them with stones But the glory of the lord appeared at the ten of meaning to all people of israel. So Let's imagine this. Let's picture this All he's doing is reiterating what god said And letting us listen god is going to deliver them into our hands if god is with us We can have this land these people there's no need for us to fear them Come on guys, the lord has got our back and what do they want to do? Let's get some stones and stone them Let's kill them Does that happen a lot in you all's life? There are times where you just really just some people just aren't made for the future That sounds bad. Some people aren't made to progress And that's just okay I hope it's not you I hope it's not you That would know the lord as your father yet still fear I hope it's not you that would know the lord as your father as your deliverer and still believe that you can't make that you I hope that's not you Again They have literally seen what god has done And god has promised them This thing he has promised what he's going to give them and For some reason they don't believe him What they see is more important than what they remember Is that you Is that you where what you see is more important plays a bigger role than what you remember Think about this How many of you Can think about can name can write down matter of fact if I gave you a piece of paper and a pencil you'd probably run out of lead Writing down all the things that you've had to deal with in your life That you've had to overcome even the small things the big things there's always there's more things um that you overcome If I just numbered the things that have to overcome versus the the goals that I've reached The things that I've overcome are going to be greater The fact is though and we're told that we should not walk by site But we should walk by faith too many of us walk by what we see what we recognize the facts the facts the facts The facts on the ground say x y and z The problem is the facts on the ground often times don't take into consideration. Who's up above It's almost like And I'm still getting used to this thing where I can go to this phone And if if we're driving, hey, siri, can you tell us? I shouldn't have said that because he's probably gonna kick in now but give us the right route to this this spot and Maybe because some computer some I don't know but knows what's ahead And tells us take this route and I'm like, no, I don't take that route That's that's no don't go that route next, you know, if we take the route we're supposed to go There's traffic ahead. There's something going on. There's been a wreck Well, the same thing with god if god who is who sits high who knows what's gonna happen This may be the route where he is divinely moving things so that you can go through and you and your site say No, I'm going this way. I'm gonna play it safe I'm gonna play it safe Forgetting the fact that god has prepared you for the next adventure Have you had noticed ever watch these movies where every time? Yeah, my siri my siri is sleeping I need to get me I need to get a new siri. I can't but I guess You're stuck with the siri that you got I I've said siri what how many times now and siri has not kicked in on On the phone or this or this computer But what I don't want to hear from siri watch she'll pop up my siri is My siri must come from the government. Yeah, that's how that's how my siri works. But anyway But how many times though have we been paralyzed by things that we've seen forgetting about the things we've come through that we've been delivered from These folks have been delivered These people are old enough to remember what it was like being slaves Oh, by the way, let's just bring it to kind of modern history There are a lot of people who came out of slavery but came out of kind of in an apprehensive fashion Trending lightly Almost wanting and one want almost wondering what would be like and wanting to go back Which is how a lot of them became sharecroppers Listen, I know you I know slavery is over with and I can't legally Make you a slave But this is your home This is where you've been you you know this you know the land So how about we we become partners in this land? You're not really a slave again, but The same you can go and come as you just you so choose. But what are they they put them in another form of bondage Well, oftentimes our past can kind of put us in bondage forgetting about wait a second Not only is our past littered with Trials that we've gone through but our past is also littered with what victories Focus on the victories Focus on the things that God has brought you through and that's what that's what Joshua and Caleb are focusing on Yo, it's not like it's not like we are Uh, the gunkersite.  We are jews We are going to take the land and God is behind us the very same God that we ourselves saw Bring us out of Egypt Either by a pillar of fire by night or a pillar of cloud by day the set We have seen this guys Okay, fine. Tell you what Because you don't believe me. I'm just paraphrasing speaking for God right now because you don't believe me. You can't go How about that? You got now won't kill you at this moment I just want to allow you to live there And we have that as an example and so what happens what happens We don't learn our lesson from that. We don't we don't learn our lessons from them Which is guys we got most of our book is the old testament. We can learn a lot from these people We can learn a lot But now what I would say this though. I would say this. I wouldn't put it. I know I know where you're getting at I wouldn't say trust blindly No, we're not trusting God blindly and our faith is certainly not blind faith What I because it's based off of His work There's evidence in what God has done in our lives, but not just our lives others lives Which is why our testimonies are so important for someone to know that. Hey, you know what God brought this person through God brought that person through y'all realize that there were people in prison who Did not you would think didn't deserve to go home early But they did and there were people also who were faithful and God brought them home I brought them out gave them a blessing and there were times I'm sitting there lord I'm thanking them. I was never in the position or had the mindset to say that Why not me lord? Why why why am I still here? Why not me? That was never me. I thank God that every guy who went home early got to go home early Even those who didn't go home early but got to go home healthy That was also a big thing in prison if you can go home healthy That was also plus and so one day I've reserved myself as fact I'll be here till till he opens the door which might be another few more years Which is cool. No, I'd rather go home now, but And then lo and behold bam the gates of the door. I mean of the prison swing open Be not wearing well doing for in due season. You shall reap a reward at the right time in due season so Anyway, so that's the reason why these testimonies or other people are also or your testimony Is valuable as well. So you may not have the right words to share with someone about The bible but you can least share what he's done for you in your life That's a powerful thing because somebody's gonna be able to relate If they can't relate they can see well.  God just just because it wasn't written down in the bible doesn't mean that he stopped working So anyway, let's get back to it. So, uh, these people have decided that they are going to Um, look what he says only they rebelled against the lord. Let's go back to it interesting though he calls it that they rebelled against all they just had was some doubt all they had was fear Only do not rebel against the lord and do not fear the people of the land You mean to tell me, um Being scared and having some fear is is that amount of rebellion? Well, yeah Yeah, you are going against god. He I'm trying to take you simple. That's all right, though That's all right.  I'll bring some other folks out Let's continue Now verse 11 and the lord said to moses how long will this people despise me? And how long will they not believe me in spite of all the signs that I have done among them? Look what he says I will strike them with pestilence and disinherit them and I will make of you A greater and mightier nation than they now here is where moses pleads With god so to speak But what happens is it can look like that god does change. I won't go into this Because we covered this before but but it's not that god changes his mind It's so that god puts it on the table. This is where we can go And moses wait a second god we now Is it obviously it's possible god can do whatever he wants to do God can do whatever he wants to do But the question is would he was god was god really going to Disinherit the people and start over with moses What's the problem if god starts starts if god destroys all of them and starts over With moses and makes moses into this great nation Y'all tell me this I need to know what do you all think would be the problem if god destroys all of the jews And starts over with moses Do y'all see a problem there? And it's not a problem that we created. It's a problem that The bible spells out What would be the big issue Because if god if god started off with moses we got we got a huge problem with god god We have a huge problem with you if you start off if you start off with making this nation out of moses Yeah, god he can do what he wants to But here's the thing If god says he's going to do this Then what is he going to do this the very thing that he said he's going to do No, it's not abraham It's not abraham No, because he is a descendant of abraham Moses is a descendant of abraham isaac and jacob God cannot lie. He will not lie There you go. There you go parry the scepter of juda by the way guys. I said this last week The scepter of juda What tribe is moses from Yeah, moses is not out of the tribe of juda and so He is going to have his What would happen is if you if you destroy all of israel and it's just moses It's just moses who is out of what tribe guys. What tribe is moses out of He's out of levi He's not not juda Why is that important? Well, who's coming through juda according to the god? Yeah, so moses. Oh, wait, it's so so you think god knew this. Well, sure god knew this He's the one that gave it to to jacob the state So clearly god was not going to do this. Well, so sometimes god is trying to see what you're going to do That happens a lot Go back to joe. Remember joe's friends Were taken off the back off the out of the heat out of the fire He said that uh, god did not did not he didn't punish the uh, his three friends Why because joe prayed for And then when joe and then after joe prayed for them, then what did god do god restored all that joe had plus So Now does god change his mind? No, it doesn't change his mind. You god does god does not change his mind We've covered before and if I need to cover it again, we'll do so But it's vitally important if god states this and so moses knows this The point is At some point in time you got to rest on god's word, which is what moses did moses rested on god Wait, wait a minute god, but you said but this guy what about this guy now Who also rests on god's word and also got what god has done and god just said this is god that just said this Let's go back to it How long verse 11 will this people despise me? And how long will they not believe me in spite of the signs that I have done among them? Well, so the reason for the advancement of kaleb and joshua is because they don't despise god They remember him. Um, we got a problem now We have a problem guys And maybe you all can start seeing my my passion um A little bit behind my motives when I talk about things that god has promised and those things that he's promised not going away Somebody said cori you are you are um, you have let this issue of of eternal security Overtake you and so now that kind of drives you Sure, it does. We're talking about god here We're talking about god here because if I can't trust god's word if I can't trust what he's done If I can't trust his power well, then I can't trust anything about him You can't either you can't tell me that that that you trust the lord But you got just as much power to overthrow or to thwart his plan No, no, that's not how it works guys. And so he says how would now notice he says he equates their unbelief with despising him how long as he says will these people despise me And how long will they not believe me in spite of all the signs that I have done among them And so here we have joshua Who states? What god has done he backs if he has this belief Let's go back to it And in 15 18 he says on that day the lord made a covenant with abram Saying to your offsprings I give this land from the river egypt to the great river To the revue freighties the land of the kenites the kentazites the catamites the hittites the parasites the the rafine The amorites the kentanites the gergishites and the gibbysites and so joshua though he wasn't there Understands what god's promise was He understands what his great great great great grand pappy abraham spoke of Actually a few more greats than that And so he understands the promise of god So what was it about Jacob about joshua that made him so great well If you want first of all everybody's not a leader Everybody's not a leader not everybody.  How do you know what kind of a leader same thing?  The people that are falling behind you if they are um wild and untamed and and undisciplined prone to say anything to fly off of the mouth Well, what kind of leader do they have? Yeah So that also tells you what kind of leader you are by who's following you Now if they change over time well, then that's different That's of course that that that will show um your leadership skills, right But if they start off, um as a f student and in as a f student that that might be you That might be you But a leader has to have a vision He has to know where they're going and in this case in this case He's all he's doing is following what god has stated He's only following the plan that god has laid out Now we're going to see In a little bit and i'm just gonna throw it out there real quick But joseph is going to encounter the pre-incarnate christ He is going to encounter what we call either a christophany or theophany same thing We are going to look and see in just a little bit Not today, but joseph joseph joshua is going to encounter Who we call the angel of the lord and remember we had this discussion before guys We we discovered that the angel of the lord is the lord And the lord is god which means that the angel of the lord is god and god is angel of the lord And we also know that there is one lord one lord The bible is clear on that one lord And who is the lord jesus and so jesus did not just show up on the scene The day that mary gave birth So now jesus i'm sorry jesus joshua Understands the the planning program, but he's going to be confronted with this angel of the lord And joshua is going to ask a question joshua is going to ask him Whose side are you on and he's going to get an answer, but it's not the answer That joshua was was hoping to get I mean do i want to i'm trying to think do i want to go there tonight I'm not sure if i want to if i want to i probably should since i'm already since i'm already bringing it up No, you know what you know what no no i'm going to hold off until until we get there I'm gonna hold up hold off until we get there but He's going to be confronted and he's going to test to see if he's actually following god Like he said he because it's easy to start off kind of on the right track to feel like Yeah, I got this down and then kind of Going off track ask david ask david And so anyway, he's going to be confronted with a question and he is going to be expected to pet now obviously God chose him. Let's go back to what he says in joshua one uh-oh Don't go on it. Oh i'm pushing the wrong button. That's why He says after that the moses he says moses my servant is dead now therefore rise and go over to the jordan So god is now god is speaking to joshua god is speaking to joseph joseph god is speaking to joshua And he's telling look what he says every place that the soul of your foot will tread upon I have given to you Just as I promised moses But even before I promised moses. I also promise Uh, abraham isaac and shake it from the wilderness and this lebanon as far as the great river euphrates remember The great river euphrates was what was brought up in Was brought up in genesis 15 when he was speaking to abraham All the land of the hittites to the great sea toward the going down of the sun Now I gotta ask you guys this question before we continue Have you ever noticed and paid attention to The i'm sick to the rule chili. I'm sick. I'm gonna stick to the rule. I'm not gonna get ahead of myself But have you ever noticed that when you start looking at All of the boundaries that god has promised them to have Have you have you noticed that they've never ever ever in the history of israel's existence They've never enjoyed all of the boundaries that were promised Have you ever noticed that so here's my question Here's my question Especially the people who who don't think that there is a distinction between the nation of israel and The gentile jewish church There's a difference between What we call the church which is made up of gentiles and jews and israel which is only made up of israel But Have you noticed though israel has never ever Enjoyed all of the boundaries that god promised them was That to say that god never intended for israel to enjoy all of that What do y'all think do you think god meant all of that land all of the boundaries that he put out Do you think he meant that Or are we to take that figuratively Now god promised they're going now obviously through their own sin Through their efforts or lack thereof they hadn't they haven't enjoyed all of that But god didn't say i'm going to give it to you if No, i'm going to give it to you There's no condition placed on that let's go back to it so y'all can see what i'm saying Because oftentimes we'll throw conditions in that the god didn't He says every place that the soul of your foot will tread upon i have given To you just as i promised to moses Now the same thing is stated to what he says to abraham isaac and jacob This land is vast and they still have not They still have not Gone into it obviously because of disobedience But god has still promised that he's going to remember his promise God said we saw this last week that god is going to remember his promises with abraham isaac and jacob And he's reiterating them the same promises that he brought before moses and now to joshua So at some point in time they're going to realize this wind don't know about that So that no one can say anything off the wall But they're going to What what do we say all of the promises of god are what? king james version yay and amen yes and amen so god is going to bring about what he promised Without question without question Why is that important? Because i've got to have some reason something to to base What i'm doing And if what i base what i'm doing is off of god's word Then i stand on every bit of it Every jot and tittle so to speak Everything that he says i've got to go off of I've got to remember remember every prophecy That god has spoken of about israel They have been fulfilled literally Now this one hasn't been to the full extent But it will Because some of these are not For now some of these are are are for later we alluded that we find out find this out later Um, we won't get to it later. We're going to find out that god does intend because he reiterates this later He reiterates his promise for that land Even after israel's disobedience and their subsequent management from the land which all by the way was prophesied to them and they were and and Even all as well as the prophecy of them being brought back. I also want to bring this up About israel. Let's go back to number 33 He says speak to the people of israel Say to them when you pass over the jordan into the land of canaan Then you shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you and destroy all their figured stones And destroy all their metal images and and demolish all their high places But what he says And you shall take possession of the land and settle in it for I have given the land to you to possess But let's back up and see what he says again I'm sorry.  You shall give a small inheritance Wherever the lot falls for anyone that shall be his according to the tribes of your five each of her But look what he says if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you Then those of them whom you let remain shall be as barbs in your eyes and thorns in your sides And they shall trouble you in the land where you dwell and I will do to you as I thought to do to them Let me read that again Very important as a matter of fact This can be Even though the primary applications of them. I think we might find a secondary application for us. Let's read it again Verse 55, but if you do not drive out all of the inhabitants Of the land from before you then those of them whom whom you let remain Notice he says whom you let remain. I'll get back that in a second They shall be as barbs in your eyes and thorns in your sides And they shall trouble you in the land where you dwell And I will do to you as I thought to do to them Those are some harsh words that got there's some strong words again He says but if you do not drive out that Listen, you do realize that if you let a little bit of sin remain in your life It is going to be as he says in the same way a barb in your eye a thorn in your side Can I can I make this kind of real plain? For some of you single folks You can't keep trying the same old dating habits the same things and things that's going to change No, and some of you all still you still got his number. You still got her number Why You have not Decide to give yourself over to complete and total obedience of god some of you all when it comes to Maybe your finances Some of you all just all of us can probably say the same thing in some regards to our walk in christ We have given a little bit of place To the devil we hadn't we hadn't eradicated. There's a story There's a story. I just not a bit of a story, but I think it can fit About a man on an island who had a house who was selling the house And the guy who was selling the house. He said he found a buyer. He said listen I'm selling you the entire house Except for one portion of the house I would like to sell the house, but I would like for you to allow me to keep this door frame The front door that opens up. There's a frame around it. I would like for you to allow me to have that part I'm selling the entire house at a really really low price a discounted price But I want to keep the door frame. Are you with me think about a little house With a door frame and on the door frames the door The guy thought well Okay, sure He can take the door frame off if he wants to now. I can't do it because it's his door frame, but What good does it what what harm is going to do me? So the guy I said, yeah, I'll go ahead and sell you the house for really really really low price fine About a year later the guy shows back up and says listen I'm on vacation I like to come in here and relax and hang out Use as my vacation spot The new owner said well, no, I'm not going to do that Wait a second my family's here and and no that that would just be inappropriate And the guy said no, I think you ought to let me come in the guy says nope not gonna do it The guy said okay fine The guy comes back outside a little later on and he has about five or six dead fish rotten fish Nailed to the top of the doorpost All right, it stinks. It stinks bad And the guy says to the man the former owner What are you doing? Why have you left this this rotten fish on my doorpost? And the man says because I want to it's my doorpost. I can do with it as I choose we agreed to that He said yeah, you we did But why? He said tell you what I'll take it down If you let me come in and stay the man says no No, all right fine. So what do the man do?  What's the whole point of this? Well, if you give just a little bit of place to the devil to where he can come back He is going to not just take up just that little small spot He is going to come back in and take up the entire residence as though he never left The same thing is with these people if you do that utterly drive them all out now Who are these people? These were people who are not of god They might have been nice people. They might have been good friendly folk good Family oriented people they who knows what they are but all we do know they they did not serve god had no interest in serving god And therefore they were as god would even say enemies of god if you keep sin in the camp Just a little bit of sin just over in the corner. I'm listen god I'm gonna keep a little bit of sin but it's over in the corner Away from matter of fact gotta tell you what I'll cover the sin up put in the closet put it behind some boxes Won't even know they're there But guess who knows are there sin does and I promise you have you ever had something happen? somebody shows up at your house and There's some things you have put up in the closet or room and you don't want anybody to see in just some kind of way They happen to see that room they happen to see your dirt or lord forbid A argument happens something always happens when you don't want folks to see your business Well, that's how sin works sin is going to pop up Why because you gave place to it and what was the rule what happened with these people? They left these people in there god had given them all of the tools all of the ability to drive them out He did he said to them though that you will leave them in there Look what he says let's go back to he says but if you do not drive them out of the land before you Then those whom you whom you let remain look. I've got put he says whom you let remain not me Not the part listen the excuse is not God The excuse is not put on them the excuse is put on you you had everything that you need to drive out sin And so when sin comes back to bite you on it On it learn your lesson But unfortunately we don't we don't What do we do? When that sin comes and bites us We don't put it out. We box it back up and put it back in the corner Put it in the attic That's what they did And that's what we continue to do The same because it's not just israel. We can learn a lot from israel We can learn a lot from them the same things that they've gone through we go through as well And so we keep allowing sin to stick around Now we're gonna find out that there is somebody who's involved in sin who gets to see A glimpse of god and decides i'm no longer going to be involved in sin We'll talk about that person We'll talk about her on next week because the question i want to ask you guys as we get ready to leave out Is this this whole issue with this woman that we're going to meet next week? Lady name ray have we're going to talk about ray have Ray have was committed to god it seems like more than the people of god I think ray have was this was tired of her situation and so at all costs I need you i need to go with you guys. I know that your god is god. I need to go with you But the people who saw god the most who witnessed and experienced god Because the truth be told the truth be told They should have had no problems matter of fact the truth be told There should never have been an a need for um A new covenant There should never been a need although the new covenant. I mean the old covenant was never set up to deal with the heart issue But they had all they need they had all the examples they could possibly get Have you seen god? Open a sea and let you cross through it has god delivered you out of Slavery. No, we didn't Even if you listen to the media you you you're not in you haven't been in bondage Um I'm gonna answer that question even I hadn't gotten there at least I'm gonna answer that question so Matter of fact, let me go ahead and pull up some of these questions that were asked Where did where did an act or that? Where did an act come from or descent or his descendants? Who begat him that the nephilim are his descendants? Well uh, the nephilim and the an act and an axe king said right an act Descendants and the nephilim are one of the same Okay, the nephilim did not cease um when we leave genesis 6 And the flood and so forth and then these angels if if these are angels that are Co-habitating or sleeping with these human beings These these uh nephilim they didn't end they still stayed around Which tells me that We're not talking about some sort of um angelic procreation Now they could have been demonically influenced i'll go with that I go with that they were probably demonically influenced because I do believe and I've said this before guys that there are there is demonic activity And so I believe that's where they came from and remember Scientifically and biologically speaking there are a lot of differences today than it was back then in terms of We don't have the animals for example That we had then What's described in joe which seems like dinosaurs which seems like these large sea creatures? We don't have them anymore Or what happened? Well, maybe the same thing happened with with these extra large people these long neck giant people We don't have them anymore. And so uh why? I can't that that would be something we would have to ask god when in company when he um Actually sees us and brings us home with him, but for now we don't have an answer Would you say a godly leader is someone who puts god first and fear without question? Now you can be a good leader without being a godly leader You can definitely be a good leader without being a godly leader Without question can I give you an example of a good leader, but was not a godly leader hitler Good leader. Oh, we listen you you don't think hitler was a good leader You don't think that this wicked evil person can lead an entire nation Well, he did and that that's what that's true leadership He was just twisted What about jim jones? Good leader had him convinced of his evil and wicked deeds Horrible person not a godly leader though The greatest uh the two greatest leaders In the history of the world obviously god And right behind him though and he has more followers This guy that's number in the number two position has more followers It's satan satan's a good leader Satan is a leader takes people where they where he wants them to go A leader doesn't take people where they want to go. He takes them where he wants to go And satan is doing a good job of that He's just not a godly leader and but a godly leader to your point eddie has to be led by god has to fear god Unfortunately, we don't have a lot of those around today We don't have it. I don't want to say that I shouldn't say we don't have a lot around We don't have as many as we need so About samuel. No, I have it. I was just using that as an example. What I what I was saying So you're right. You're right. Lisa quit quit mess with me. Lisa And no, I don't know I don't know. That's a question. We're gonna have to ask him Why didn't he destroy them after the flood and then why Uh, why then also did it take so long for us to I mean remember david is fighting a giant The philistines are cousins of of of anach So they're cousins of the nephilim. So why why are they're still there even as late as Three to three thousand years ago Don't know Don't know. Okay. It's the same one. That's the same question. I'm sorry. There's more questions Even though that is a bit off topic. It's never off topic Pushed the wrong button. So I will I will cover what is uh I keep hitting the wrong button. I tell you what I'll do make this wider that way There it is. I just discovered something on this computer. I didn't know and I discovered the wrong thing. Ah, Cory Yes, there it is This question here describes salvation in full context The word generically speaking just means to be delivered from something to be saved from something So a person can can receive salvation from a burning building A person can receive salvation from a flood You can receive salvation and let's say for example from For israel from egypt. They were saved from now Spiritually speaking in the grand scheme of thing in the big picture We're speaking of salvation being saved from something and saved to something to be saved from Eternal torment to be saved from hell which will then be tossed to the lake of fire to be saved from that then to be saved to Eternal uh and an eternal uh living I'm saying this the wrong way To be saved to be in the presence of god forever Forever so you're saved from hell saved to heaven granted those aren't the it's not the final resting spot Again, hell is going to uh is not the not the last spot. It's going hell is like the holdover so to speak And and I did not say I did not because someone accused me of this. I did not say it is um, or what's the word? Purgatory it's not that's not what I'm saying. Okay, so Now, how do you get salvation? Well, your sins must be atoned for the way a person saved from hell is that their sins are atoned for How are your sins atoned for your sins are atoned for by the debt? Oh On our behalf being paid or by us. I'm sorry being paid The debt for us that we incurred is paid to the person Who has put or pronounced what the debt is But the offended party we are the offending Party god is the offended party and he has stated what the payment is going to be the payment is going to be blood Problem is though we don't have the ability to pay the blood and so Someone comes and makes that payment for us and once the payment is made Once atonement is made then we can stand in right standing. We are justified Do I think there are different variations of god? Sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Listen. I know I I can I can one of the one of my all-time favorite leaders His doctrine wasn't as as good as it should have been Bishop William H. Watson Bishop William H. Watson. He was a bishop in the Church of God in Christ He had all these different churches that he was over and he was not a man. He could have been Uh, a terribly wealthy person. He could have been Because you can enrich yourself by being And you can go and ask ask my brother Walter Walter Jones You can enrich yourself greatly some have not all but some have enriched themselves in an organization like that because There's always this church that church Sending money in to you But he was not that kind of person But in terms of him leading and commanding people not commanding in a in a um Overbearing way, but I mean See looking after his people Tending to them this person sick going to be with him Telling them right from wrong But in terms of doctrine now he could he could have been better I'll say that he could have been better But he is one of my all-time favorite and then there's people who have a good doctor Who are all so great leaders? Okay, so If people say they got called in the preach I don't know why uniquely may don't know why I pushed it. That's not that's not to do what we're talking about But I got I got a cover since since I pushed it If people say God called them to preach then why do some go to school? Here's why When you go to a Some sort of bible school or seminary The whole point the reason to go is obviously not to get The approval of that school. No When you go to a seminary or a bible college like that you are to be challenged You are to be what would happen with me was I never forget about my my former pastor Would always ask questions a question that I knew the answer to But then he would turn around and say are you sure? I'm pretty sure but now the way you ask that question now. I'm not what now show me prove it to me Go find the go go find the pastor in the bible Are you sure that's what it says? And sometimes in doing that it would help me get the kinks out of How I'm presenting things I had this conversation with I never forget I had a conversation with a former friend of mine Who was a Jehovah's Witness or was brought up in the Jehovah's Witness faith? And we said the heavens conversation and he said to me He said I said I said I was talking about him going to Becoming a believer finding Christ and coming and coming a part of the faith and going to heaven and I had all this criteria But I wasn't even thinking that I was putting out that's criteria You got this this this and this and I didn't mean to do that But I was doing it and so he was just kind of holding me accountable to Being able to present the gospel and he saw that what I was doing that particular day I wouldn't And he said he asked me questions. Is it possible Corey? Is it here's a question? Is it possible that the person can be in a Jehovah's Witness? Kingdom home and still be a Christian. I said, well, no, no We said why not? And that's where I have my little list. You had to be this this and he said no You mean to me more than faith is is required for salvation Well, no, no, no So what if he had what if he's placed his faith in Christ? But he's in the wrong organization, but it's eventually going to get moved out He's going to learn that wait a second. What you guys are teaching over here in kingdom home is wrong Because yeah, people could people there have been a bunch of people that have come to christ that have placed their faith in christ As Jehovah's Witness as a Mormon and then grew and realized this is horrible. This is not Doctrine does not sound like this is a cult by that's happened that's happened and so The point is though he That's the kind of training that you might get at a seminary or bible college to point that what they're going to challenge you Teach you how to kind of go through the word or give you Some things you kind of think about they will test you Hopefully I think that if you're going to be preaching that you should learn these languages because It does offer you a little bit more A little clearer insight than the english words so um And I seems to saying but the thing is though There are a lot look marcus rider said he was called to preach You think marcus riders could benefit from school? Do you think tdj could benefit from school? Do you see now there's people that out that also went to school, but they're just hard their heart is different And so I think there's some people that could benefit They may have the passion but This right here Their understanding is a little bit off And so yeah, you you you need these are people who have not been taught remember When we look at the bible these are men who were taught by older men and experienced men And so a lot of times you don't have that today You got guys that say you know what I love the lord. I got a bible and so I'm ready to preach I feel like I'm called to preach. Why do we know? How do we know you're called to preach especially if you are not exhibiting the traits that the scriptures tell us to so And then what does what does paul do? What's the example of paul? Training people when it comes to scriptures, they they are they don't have a similar to go to but they are they are certainly in school Aren't they now? We don't have paul around a day. We don't have that But we have the benefit we we have the benefit of what you can learn. I'm not saying you have to Please don't mistake me. I'm not saying you have to go to seminary. Is that what I'm saying? I'm just saying there's a benefit to it. So No, I've never come across a g craig. Lewis. I've heard of him in the past and I'm you know In all the different videos made about him. I've never I've never come across him I couldn't tell you today and stuff that he said had done. I really couldn't say I've never really just I just know he's a bad person I've heard enough people that respect Have things to say about him and I remember coming across someone who went to his church in the past Even before all the stuff exposing him came out who said not a not a good person Controlling ungodly so anyway Um, I listen I always pray before a lesson. I don't always pray on camera I'm trying to just just just kind of move but now if anytime if anytime Someone wants prayer Never have a problem stopping just just praying well so Now I'm I think I did this before I did a video. I think I did a video on praying And the problem that we have with prayer Because we have made prayer out to be an event Uh-oh, I gotta stop. I gotta go. I gotta go to prayer.  It's what you're about Prayer is well, it's just well. It's like breathing You don't I need to go breathe. I need to go. No, I I am constantly I should be constantly in prayer meaning that the lines of communication over my I'm constantly Um as office. I'm thinking about especially pouring my heart out to the lord Speaking as if he's just right here. That's that's me. That's me Mess up lord why and people like what's he said? This is me. I believe that I am literally Um in speaking this is with the lord There's a what's what's the uh the song? I'm just a prayer way and so I'm I'm in communicate I'm talking with them and some folks have a problem with what I'm saying. Okay, fine. Okay, fine But when I'm in that dark cell all along and I'm not seeing visions. I'm not anybody, you know It's not like joseph smith and and jesus and god both both show up two visions show up No, that's not what's happening with me But I pray If I'm in the kitchen washing dishes out back I'm working out what I'm praying I'm praying there's times I I'll pray lord, please. I'm getting lit this way. Please don't let my back go out Please don't let me hurt my arm or this is that I pray I'm I'm cooking something lord, please help me with cooking this stuff. I'm not good at cooking I'm I am prone to burn some stuff up So I'm I'm constantly talking to him and I'm constantly constantly looking to be led by him And if ever someone on or in the chastity court, would you please pray for me? I'm going through this if I see it alert me if I don't see it then I will stop and pray But oftentimes for the sake of just kind of moving along. I don't but it's not it's not indicative of anything is and so Don't don't Be bothered when you don't see the person has prayed. I say assume a person has prayed and then judge them by that That's what I will assume that you have prayed and then when I see you act a certain. Okay. He hadn't prayed yet. She hadn't prayed so What would I recommend to learn in Hebrew and Greek? I would learn two books both by Zondervan Both of them are called basics of biblical Hebrew and basics of biblical Greek by van practical for Hebrew and William mounts for the Greek excellent excellent easy teaching Uh, let's answer some more of these questions Why do people think she was a harlot because he calls her a harlot? Let's go Unless excuse me unless My uh bible is trippin now Yeah That's put on screen I just typed in I just typed in rehab And it says that she was a prostitute. It's the same work It's a it's the same um as a uh as a harlot So, yeah, that's why And so that's why we call her harlot because um Well, we don't we don't know the details of her harlotry But she's a harlot But the coop and I don't I don't want at least you I'm I'm not going I'm through it. I'm through it rehab for tonight. I'm through it rehab. You about to get This y'all know she at lord loves us about doing doing something over the the chosen I've never even I've never even seen the chosen I've never seen it But can I tell you how something was really interesting? I was going to do but I just decided now I'm not going to do it I don't I don't feel like doing it And what's crazy it would have been Guaranteed to get 100,000 views what have you without question One day I can't even remember what the live stream was getting ready for a live stream And I kept getting this little This little alert that someone is trying someone is my green room trying to come on And I ignored it I ignored it Matter of fact, I I I closed them out. I hung up on them But then it happened again I ignored it Didn't happen again. Like who is this trying to come in who? And uh, I forgot the guy's name Dallas that's what it said. It said Dallas And so I clicked on it and it is the the guy Dallas the creator of of the chosen Well, he was going to someone else's live stream as a matter of fact, he was going to roost lines live stream some kind of way Our live stream signals or whatever got crossed up or or the the the signal that he gave him was mine And so he's sitting there and we have a conversation for about Five or ten minutes matter of fact, I was late getting to you guys Having this conversation and he agreed to come on we were going to talk about it And I said, you know what in order for me to bring him on and talk about I'd have to go and watch the the chosen I'm not going to do that. I don't have time to but I started to and again Maybe you I figured that other folks would would do better Interviewing him and talking about the chosen But I was going to talk about him and bring him on as well But I said no, and who knows maybe in the future I might do it, but But yeah, I was late talking to you guys because I was talking to him Why did God hate Esau now his hate for Esau isn't like how we say hate like I can't stand Esau Now was he bothered by Esau not being a follower of his sure, but was he I want to crush his head I want to stick a fork in his eye that kind of hate No, no it was just that he just he did not favor Esau. It was that kind of hatred Not not in the way that we hate somebody right not in the way that Um, not in the way that the Dallas Cowboys hate winning I I couldn't resist I couldn't resist some of you guys Cowboy fans been getting on me for my last video or my last videos Was Moses still around when Joshua took over and if so, how long was he around? No, he was not when Moses died That was it after he died. They buried him in here comes Joshua However, obviously I would assume that Joshua was being groomed. We don't get a lot of detail in that Interestingly enough, no one asks his question. I thought that someone would though, but someone would have asked a question the last book of the pitatuk the last book of the Torah Since Moses dies in it. Who finished it? How could Moses have written the book if he dies in it? Well, the likelihood is that Joshua probably finished it That's the that's the assumption Do I think do I listen? I think regular people ought to learn it, but I wouldn't put that mandate on them But I think without question pastors should study learn Hebrew and Greek See here's the deal I can if I say the Greek says this And it's clear the Greek says this What's the what's the pastor who doesn't understand Greek or Hebrew? What's his response? Well, the Holy Spirit showed me this You know the If the Greek says this is what it says because that was the language that the that the new testament was written in If the Hebrew says this it is clear I'm not talking about if it's ambiguous and the Hebrew or Greek can go one of two ways No, that's not what I'm saying But if it's clear it says this and the pastor disagrees well pastor That's not what it says in the Greek or the Hebrew That's not what it says in the language that you told us you need to go back and study And it's just it it eliminates More mistakes that are possible to be made So anyway, by the way, senior Conrad. I did see what you I did see that video and I'm using that video As a matter of fact, I y'all don't know But what I what I'm talking about you'll find out in a couple days senior Conrad. So just I saw that video That's that's your tag me and so I'm using that for something else I'm gonna have fun with it and to kind of make a bigger point. Anyway guys I have a sick daughter Who we are getting ready to do a Not sure how how serious it is But we're gonna have one was a little tele doc little A little Doctor's visit so in about one minute. So guys Yeah, you you're gonna like this and you're kind of like this But anyway guys, I've got to run to go take care of my daughter I will see you or tomorrow's wednesday.


Next question is from Philip M Carol. What are your thoughts on fitness trackers like whoop, Apple watch, etc? I think that these tools are great for people who are probably already consistent and probably already totally into fitness I do not think that these tracking devices are gonna make a huge dent in the segment of the population that is Challenged with being consistent with exercise. It's just more data But it's not addressing the root cause of the issue which has nothing to do with data We have lots of information everybody can look up calories and Exercises and what to do the issue is not data and information the issue is how to get coached through that how to develop the Relationship with those things and so I don't think they're gonna change much But like trainers and people who are consistent really cool technology. I personally like them But I do feel like there's a very much of a window of relevancy to them and in that being In terms of understanding your own habits and Just like you when you track food just like when you really pay attention to any of your behaviors I think that it brings awareness. So if if you feel a certain feeling and it's able to Help kind of give you a number to that and and you can start seeing that matching your feeling But really you already had the feeling In terms of like I don't feel like I'm a hundred percent today and I'm overstressed and like I'm pretty sure your body can tell you that and you can hone in on that But you know and I'm talking about HRV in terms of it feeling like I have I have like You know, I'm fully ready today and I could I could press it and I could go a little more intense today Or like step count or all these other kinds of things like I think you know Whether you're active or not at a certain point and I think you should know that and that's really the point of it is Not to be reliant on the number telling you how to dictate How to navigate through your programming? I I mean I've said since the beginning of the show that I love these things I think they're I think they're incredible. Um, I Wish a lot of them existed when I first started as a trainer. I think Sal you guys both bring up great points I think that you're right I think it I think it benefits the the fitness enthusiasts the most It doesn't benefit my mom so much at all really because I don't think that she's in that place of even like you the the idea of it Is education? It's it's to get you closer to understanding what's going on Like how is my body burning and what is what happens when I eat like this and when I exercise like that when I do this And I don't do that It's we've got all these incredible tools to help you get closer to understanding that Most fitness enthusiasts are excited about that and they want to know that so this obviously is an incredible tool for them Where I see it go wrong is when people want to compare all of them like this person who's asking Whoop apple fit bit like which one's better, you know, which one's more accurate, you know And they want to compare the reading it's giving them to exactly what they think their body is like And that's the wrong way to go about this. It's like listen None of these things are precise Even if it does line up precisely with your metabolism Generally speaking, none of these things are 100 accurate And the idea is just to like Justin's point is just to bring more awareness to what you're currently doing So if you if you go into it with that that idea that oh, I'm using this to look at my own patterns My own behaviors. Oh when I do this and I think this is what's going to happen And then I see the outcome because it's being tracked digitally for me And I can go back and look at graphs and and and go. Oh, wow. I was wrong here Or oh, wow was spot on here or I was a little off there Like that's where this thing becomes valuable is to be able to use that as a way to get a better education on What is going on with your body? Where you go wrong with it is looking at it like hard facts like Oh, my fit bit said I burned 7000 calories day. So I could eat 5000. I'm not going to get fat like Thinking like that is the wrong way to look at it Use this this data to get closer to understanding your metabolism metabolism is one of the like You know we talk about the seven wonders of the world, right? You think this is the the universe and metabolism, right? Is up there metabolism universe gut brain, right? There's like it's like one of the most complex things that we don't fully understand And I think that these tools help us get a better understanding of it You can't expect them to be exact and precise to everybody So stop looking at these tools like that use them as a piece of education But at the end of the day the promise is it's going to help the average person It's going to make this huge dent because of all this and it's not because look at our obesity is on the rise still And these tools are getting better and better look Obviously a trainer working with you is the best possible thing you can have okay, but here's what makes trainers effective It's not because they tell you what to do If you had a trainer look if I could hire a trainer for every american But the trainer only told them what exercises to do and how many calories to eat and how many calories they burn They would be ineffective Trainers that are effective coach people they coach them through the process. These don't do that They just give people data. There's already shit tons of data go on the internet You get all the data you want that ever existed you could access at all does nothing People don't need data people need coaching and if you've been listening to this show long enough, you know this This is why we don't sit and talk about proteins carbs and fats and percentages and ratios like because that's the That shouldn't change in people's lives Does it does that mean that doesn't help me as a competitor to get in competitive shape? No, of course I needed that stuff But to reach the general population it's it's more about behavior and understanding yourself And that's why we speak to that all the time these tools are not changing that game They're not and they're not going to disrupt that whatsoever Yes for the fitness enthusiasts will help you to get more precise and and a better understanding hundred percent Hey, if you enjoyed that clip you can find the full episode here or you can find other clips over here and be sure to subscribe


Our next speaker will be Dan Bronner. Dan is an associate professor of medicine, the director of the geriatrics fellowship program, and a faculty member at the McLean Center. Dan and Tracy Kugler co-direct our ethics consultation service. Dan's academic interests have focused on interdisciplinary approaches to medical and ethical issues, primarily as they affect older people. Research interests include the history of cardiac resuscitation, cardiac arrest and DNR, language and medicine, cognitive impairment, and dementia. Today, Dan will talk to us about whose goals of care and historical linguistic analysis. Join me in welcoming Dan Bronner. Thank you very much, Mark. It's always a pleasure to speak here. I really appreciate the opportunity. In this brief paper, I will discuss the notion of the goals of care and comfort as a manifestation of the cardiac arrest paradigm, an intellectual and institutional framework that has shaped the practice of medicine for the past 50 years. Following the trend of presenting an illness narrative of a friend, not a patient, I will begin with a case that happened about a year ago. Eileen, an elderly close family friend, like an aunt to my wife, asked me to be her durable power of attorney as all her friends had either died or left town and she had never married and had no kids. She had a significant tremor that was a bit better on Parkinson's meds. She had always been a petite person and a picky eater, but a blade had developed significant weight loss from eating even less, related to nausea and decreased appetite. This became so severe that she was admitted to an affiliated hospital on the north side. Several scopes and scans later, no answer to her predicament was forthcoming. I was wondering if it was related to the Parkinson's drugs and pushed for lowering the dose and seeing the effect. One night towards the end of her now lengthy hospitalization, Eileen called me to report that two very friendly women had just come to her room and were asking her about her goals of care. And wouldn't she like to be comfortable? Although Eileen didn't understand the full implications of the question, I did and asked her if she was ready to give up the ghosts, cash in her chips, buy the farm, exit this mortal coil, pass away, bite the dust, kick the bucket, in other words, die. Eileen answered, no. I just wanna feel better and get out of the hospital. Where did these notions of goals of care and being comfortable as currently used by physicians, nurses, social workers and others come from? From where did the script for enrolling patients in hospice arise? What are the origins of these current meanings? The origins are intimately related to the cardiac arrest paradigm. Many of the underlying principles of the paradigm were already established in the mid 20th century when resuscitation still involved cutting open the body and squeezing the heart, open cardiac massage and started moving out of the operating room onto the wards of the hospital. But the paradigm clicked into existence after closed chest compressions and CPR became the norm in the 1960s. This was the moment when a constellation of forces made resuscitation the default therapy for every patient whose heart stopped in the hospital, regardless of its expected efficacy and cardiac arrest became the clinical condition we recognize today. This development marks a pivotal transformation in the history of medicine. Not because it signaled the discovery of a new revitalizing technology, resuscitation had been practiced in various overlapping ways since the late 18th century. Instead, CPR and its indication, cardiac arrest, helped usher in what I'm calling the cardiac arrest paradigm and help establish a model of care that persists today. An important manifestation of the paradigm was the intensification of therapies, particularly at the end of life. Whether or not such interventions were expected to help the patient. The paradigm also tended to narrow the physician's gaze to single organ systems at the expense of more holistically oriented goals. The canonical interpretation of the default application of CPR involved the need for fire drill-like action. Despite the early appreciation that is shown in this order early editorial from 1962, most people who experienced sudden stoppage or disruption of the heart, cardiac arrest, cannot be saved even under ideal circumstances in a hospital. However, it was more complicated than that. Here's a partial list of some of the forces that compelled the cardiac arrest paradigm forward. And just take a look at that list, which I'm not gonna talk about today. I'm talking about the consequences. But because it's interesting, and I've just gotten into this lately, the first edition of the current procedural terminology published by the AMA in Chicago in 1966 created billing codes for therapies or procedures for the new government programs of Medicare and Medicaid. It did not contain CPR or cardiac arrest and was comprised of mostly surgical interventions in various levels of patient visits. The second edition, however, published four short years later in 1970 and now 60 to 70% larger did. So here we see cardiac arrest along with a few other medical therapies like chemotherapy. Here we see an example of the first billing form reporting professional services to Medicare found in the back of the second edition of the CPT. The example features Gladys E. Albert for fractured femur and closed reduction. If the surgery had gone badly and Ms. Albert did poorly and she developed cardiac arrest requiring resuscitation, the bill would have looked like this. Another influence on the paradigm. Early on they're developed a struggle, a burning question for caring and considerate doctors and ethicists. How to practice compassionate and logical care under the cardiac arrest paradigm. The 1970s saw a few important forays of early attempts to navigate the care that I will quickly gloss. The ONTR or DNR was officially codified in the 1974 standards for CPR. It unwittingly sealed the default by requiring orders to opt out. This then inspired the federal folder all associated with DNRs specifically and most notable with the court cases involving Shirley Dinerstein which did acknowledge that CPR was not always life-saving therapy. In 1974, one month after the standards containing the first order not to resuscitate were published, TAG AOL proposed a theoretical system for classifying patients according to levels of therapy based on prognosis and defining quote overall therapeutic goals. This is a very early use of the phrase overall therapeutic goals which was likely motivated by how the paradigm had reconfigured therapeutic goals by standardizing certain treatments. It changed the essential question from what is best for the patient at this moment to what does the protocol or guideline tell me to do now. The default application of CPR and the standards developing in the new ICUs forced the issue of therapeutic goals which before this were presumably to provide therapies that were expected to help the patient. The report of an actual application of this classification system awaited a dramatic change in the openness of discourse concerning withholding and stopping treatment. This occurred immediately after the Quinlan decision two years later with this paper. It accompanied an editorial titled Coming Out of the Closet. Mitchell Rapkin's call for patient family involvement in DNR and Sisley Bach's call for living wills. This paper described the classification system and the six month experience with 209 patients at the MGH. We see here AM, here it is. We see here AMB described business as usual. But C, oh I shoulda looked there, but C is where the real substance of the classification lies. All therapies including resuscitation are now to be considered for their effectiveness. Finally with D we see an early usage of comfort presumably for the hopelessly ill patients that aligns it with discontinuing all therapy. It is unclear how many ICUs use this system. I know from personal conversations at Henry Ford Hospital did, but none persisted very long or at least wrote about it to my knowledge. In 1980 an updated standards for CPR was again published in JAMA. This time the order not to resuscitate was several paragraphs long and housed in a special section on medical legal aspects of CPR and ACLS. This required repeating at the dawn of the 1980s because for the most part DNR orders were not happening much. The 1980s saw ongoing and more widespread attempts at limiting inefficacious dare I say futile therapy. The question of how worthless a therapy has to be before it's deemed futile is only partially a semiotic question. CPR was the archetypal master signifier of such therapies and the one that attracted most of the attention of ethicists in the 1980s and I would say persisting until today. And early perhaps the first use of comfort as in comfort measures in relation to DNR can be found in a paper published in 1982 by the parapetetic Father John Parris. The Michael P. Walsh Professor of Bioethics at Boston College and a visiting scholar at the McLean Center among other places shown here who is here today. In this paper, Father Parris encourages physician to ask patients and families whether they wanted comfort measures only instead of asking about resuscitation. The paper is important for several reasons. It formulated many of the DNR arguments that are still repeated to the present day in the vast DNR literature. It also makes evident the use of DNR as a marker for patients who are expected to die soon and in whom aggressive medical therapy was not expected to help. Here we see the choice of comfort, the implied goal being presented perhaps for the first time as an alternative to default CPR, thereby acknowledging approaching death. In a paper published one month later in May 1982, Stephen Miles also affiliated with the McLean Center situates the question of resuscitation in a discussion of quote the patient's total medical care and prognosis and returns to the theme of goals as in setting reasonable goals in relation to their present, to their illness and prognosis. In the next year, 1983, Bernard Lowe and Robert Steinbreck, writing in the Archives of Internal Medicine in a paper titled Deciding Whether to Resuscitate present two very dire patient scenarios. We see here an early use of the term fertility as regards CPR, but not that CPR is futile. Instead, they propose that a DNR order is appropriate when further treatment, that is other treatments are futile. The DNR order signifies that no other therapeutic treatments are available and that perhaps you are dying. Again, CPR is not itself futile. We could keep you alive longer, that is prolong your dying at least. In their concluding paragraph, Lowe and Steinbreck make an off-repeated claim about the meaning of DNR that flies in the face of its just-stated use to mark futility. But this meaning of DNR, that it only means no resuscitation, pertains only when further care may not be futile and that treatment of reversible medical conditions may be appropriate, exemplifying the difference and sometimes confusing meanings of DNR that is dependent on its motivations. That Brody and all would address later in the 1980s. In the next sentence, we again see the function of DNR, of the DNR decision being a moment for evaluating the goals of care, echoing miles. Lowe, this time with Lori Dorbrand, hits the goals of care trope again in a paper published in New England Journal of Medicine one year later in 1984, but in a different way. This time, Lowe and Dorbrand expand the therapy in question from CPR to feeding tubes in a patient with advanced dementia. In this paper, we see an example of the goals of care being intrinsic aspects of a given therapy. The therapy defines the potential goals of prolonging life, delivering calories or providing comfort. We see from these examples how the cardiac arrest paradigm and specifically DNR, the DNR order, has helped usher in the goals of care conversation and just as there are different reasons and meanings for choosing DNR, there are different reasons and meanings that have evolved for the goals of care. A common practice for raising questions about goals of care is exemplified by the discussion with my friend Eileen, signaling the lack of all but futile diagnostic and therapeutic interventions and offering comfort. The palliative care team is often called upon to address goals of care with patients in whom no apparent therapies are available to heal their problems. Comfort is held out as the goal the patient should choose now. The script echoes Father Paris's proposal back in 1982 for reformulating the choice of DNR to comfort measures only, where DNR meant all other care is futile. We can see that this has actually become the standard procedure for informing patients that they've run out of therapeutic options. We've got nothing left in our current procedural terminology besides comfort measures that will actually help you. They can choose to move to the hospice benefit. There are obvious problems with this approach. One is that it obscures what is really going on. Also, even if we have nothing left to help at this moment, doesn't necessarily mean A, that the patient will necessarily die soon. Eileen is still kicking. And B, that in the future, there may not be moments where there are things that we can do that may make her better. Once one chooses comfort, a palliative care, using goals of care as guiding forces can lead to a set of somewhat difficult, sometimes absurd questions for physicians ultimately triggered by the vagaries of the Medicare benefit. The question of is this really a palliative therapy or is it a therapeutic therapy? That is, does it make the patient feel better or is it just what the standard of care would call for if one was taking care of a regular patient? The cardiac arrest paradigm forces us to ask this question, but is not necessarily a bad question to the extent that it makes us question the standard, its risks and benefits in a thoughtful manner. It is perhaps a good question to ask of all our therapies, especially in patients with multiple comorbidities. However, when it pushes us to stop thinking about the possibilities for helping because the patient no longer qualifies for that type of care, it becomes problematic. The use of goals of care can be confused with those that may be intrinsic to various types of therapy, a la Lo and Dorban 1984, and that asks real questions that need to incorporate values because they engender real potential different outcomes from real choices. But this can also be discussed by a presentation of options and risks and benefits without resorting to the notion of goals of care. Finally, patients need to understand what they are really being asked when we ask about their goals of care. Eileen's goal is to feel better and get out of the hospital and sure, be comfortable. I would posit that the goals of care are always the same, to provide the options of diagnostic and therapeutic interventions based on the values of our patients that may actually help them. And to honestly disclose, when we don't have any options left and to relieve suffering, of course, using straightforward and honest language. Thank you. Thanks for Dr. Bronner.  This one? Yeah, that one. It looked to the upper left-hand corner of that slide. You see the words, clinical ethics. That was a section that we started in the Archives of Internal Medicine in 1978. I didn't realize that the Loe Steinberg paper, I had forgotten that, was published as part of that section. That was the second time the word clinical ethics was used in the literature. The first was when Ann Dudley-Goldblatt, some of you were here yesterday, and I wrote that grant to H.E.W. called clinical ethics. Do you see that way up in the left-hand corner? I see it, I put it there. Yeah. So, are there any questions for Dan? Yeah. So, the idea is that goals of care is a term that has been back there for about 30 years. Where's Father Paris? Is he still there? John, and that John helped introducing the literature? Well, I think John was the first person to actually equate the choice of DNR as to reformulate it as the choice for comfort. And I think that came out of some of the earlier work in the 60s, which sort of classified patients to those that would only receive comfort care. After the sort of cardiac arrest and CPR had become the norms. Because I think it was important at that time to sort of define what the goals of care were because I think in the 60s and 70s, there was this sort of lapse of what are we actually doing here with these patients? And I think we've sort of been left with those same questions and the language has persisted today. Lainey, thank you. No, Dan, thank you. That was lovely. So, I have a question, a follow-up of your aunt, because one thing, do you think they came in to do goals of care, meaning palliative care because she was old or because she really had a life-limiting treatment? So was there any type of age discrimination going on here?  What happened after she got discharged? I think there were several reasons why they came in. I think partly because she was old, partly because the diagnostic workup was not revealing so there was really nothing they could think of offing her. And the third thing was she had been in the hospital for a really long time and they didn't know what to do with her. And people need a dispo. They need to have some plan in place. And so I think they thought about switching her goals of care to comfort and putting her in hospice. You know, she got out of the hospital and she moved to a place with more people around and she started eating again and she's doing okay now. So, yeah. Thank you so much. All right.