I started Kaggle in 2010 and the idea behind the company has always been to help businesses make decisions on the basis of data rather than gut instinct. More and more data is being used to do things that humans used to do, everything from using geological data to find where the most promising well sites are, all the way through to predicting when heavy equipment needs to be serviced. What makes us unique is that we manage a community of over 100,000 data scientists and statisticians. These data scientists are attracted to Kaggle because we run data mining competitions, so they compete. And actually we've ranked them from one to 100,000 by actually looking at how effective they've been in predictive modeling, how predictive their models are. So we are the only source in the world of the ranked world's best data scientists. I feel like Kaggle's unique. It's unique because there's nobody else who can drive value out of data like we can. One of the big innovation trends is the use of data to transform more and more industries. We're seeing data totally transform industries that you just wouldn't expect data to touch. As I look around today at the world's most innovative companies, it's extraordinary how many of them are really data driven. They're using data to get beyond the constrained mindsets of the old industry experts and seeing what does the world really look like. So what Kaggle's doing by making data driven decision making more powerful and more available is basically letting more and more of the world's organizations drive their innovation with this data driven approach. It's exciting to come to work every day at Kaggle. We're always working on a big issue, on solving a really important problem. For example, we helped NASA actually map the dark matter in the universe, something that cosmologists have been trying to do since 1934. By drawing in our community of over 100,000 data scientists, they solved it within three months. I really wonder what's the point of having anything other than the best people working on every project. So with Kaggle, I actually see most of the world's data science eventually going through this kind of true data scientist marketplace like Kaggle and most of the world's decisions being driven by data. As a data geek, it's been thrilling to see how many industries the data has helped to transform and in the future I look forward to Kaggle helping literally every department in every company in every industry use data to make better decisions.


Identity in peer review is something that particularly early career researchers or researchers who are from minority backgrounds, whether that is people who are from countries were actually they're not a minority at all worldwide, but they are from countries that are viewed less hospitably by some of the western English speaking nations so shall we say countries where their research is not viewed necessarily as as good when actually it's perfectly on par so they have quite legitimate reason for sometimes not wanting to be identified during the review process because there is a quite real role going on which is that all of us have unconscious biases, all of us around minorities around nationalities etc and the paper will come in you'll see what country it's from or university it's from or even what group it's from, and judgments get made one way or the other and just from so and so group they've got a Nobel Prize this must be good. Who says it is that's what peer review is for, I shouldn't be perceiving that as an editor or as a reviewer without actually looking at the content of the paper. There's a great issue around it from that point of view of benefiting people because we know who they are, or they're a friend of ours, or someone we worked with long ago so we can legitimately review their work, or someone we're trying to impress. Similarly, there are a lot of papers where the paper itself is actually really good. It's just that people will see the nationality of the authors, or they will, in some cases, see that it's female authors and they will make conscious biases in many cases that they have against those minority groups which is obviously wrong and obviously something we don't want to be happening. I think I've been thinking about for about seven or eight years now since I became editor-in-chief in 2014 of finding a way that we could do peer review where identity didn't come into it and we could find a way to make it blind in both directions. From January 2022 Femmes Microbiology Letters is going to start a double blind peer review process. This will mean that authors will submit their manuscripts in more or less the same way that they do now. There will be a few things that are a bit different and that will go to an editor as normal. The editor will know who the authors are. They will be able to see everything. The authors will not know who the reviewers are, just as they don't know, but the reviewers will also not know who the authors are or where they're from. So it will take out a lot of biases from the system, which is obviously a great thing and it will mean hopefully that the authors will receive to be probably a small number of papers overall, which have judgments made on them on the basis of things other than their content, whether that's good or bad. It will mean that those papers get a fair shot, and that fair shot being either that they get properly reviewed and accepted because they're good work, but people might have biases against the authors for whatever reason, or the other way round it's perceived as to be high value because of who wrote it rather than actually the content of it itself. So our reviewers won't have any idea who the authors of the work are or their institution. What that will mean for authors when they're submitting is that effectively acknowledgments will be in a separate file to the manuscript addresses and names will be in a separate file to the manuscript, and we'll be providing some advisory notes to enable authors to essentially blank out redact sections of the manuscript that say things like what are our previous 10 studies in this area and then you cite them all to make it less obvious who the authors are now we know if a reviewer goes through it and sees the same author name cropping up a lot of times in recent work that's been done in this area they could guess that it might be the author of this paper. It might not be it might just be another person who's working on it so it will mean that if a reviewer honestly has the time on their hands to try making most kinds of judgments they could actually be outdoing someone or benefiting someone completely different from who they perceive it to be. So we will do everything we can to make sure that the authors manuscript is as blinded as it can be when it gets into the hands of reviewers but for the time being, at least for the next year our journal will only be double blind so the editor will know all the authors information. We have discussed whether going triple blind as it's called, which is where I would know as editor in chief but the handling editor would not know who the authors are so they'd be in the same position as the reviewers. We have discussed it and on balance we didn't feel it's something we want to do at the moment because it creates quite a big administrative burden and it will make things quite difficult to deal with when we have to communicate with an author. Everything will have to be done through manuscript central and author won't be able to email an editor in the way that they can now so we don't want to do that yet but it's something that's certainly not completely off the table and we are thinking about for the future. What I call eddie, Edie, which is equality, diversity, dignity in the workplace, inclusivity and equity is really, really important to me as an LGBTQIA plus academic who is also heavily disabled on the one hand and on the other hand is still a white man. So I have a lot of privileges on one hand and on the other hand, some disadvantages, and I'm very conscious of this in review in editorial practice and so on, and trying to find ways we can be more inclusive. A couple of years ago for the first time in the journals history we accepted an anonymous manuscript, and that was done for reasons of equity. It was done for reasons of a PhD student who was denied entry to the UK to attend a conference because of the country that they came from. And we wanted to report that we wanted to make sure people read it we wanted to make sure it was known, but that student did not want to risk push back in the future, they did not want to risk our board agency finding further reasons not to admit them. So I took the step of allowing them to submit it anonymously and doing that enabled their story to be told, and it protected them. And it's been a very well talked about paper on social media so I think it is quite an important thing to do to find ways in which we can create inclusivity that historically did not exist. In terms of fostering greater diversity, equity, etc in peer review. We do try when we pick up peer reviewers to pick experts who are publishing actively in a given area. We don't have a database of reviewers as such. So when I get emails every week saying can I be on your database of reviewers we don't have one. So what we do is paper comes in and it's on alcohol dehydrogenases in bacteria. We would, or the handling editor would look at who is publishing in that area at the moment who is actively publishing, and we'll take first authors or senior authors from those papers typically as reviewers, or sometimes they would take a renowned expert who is someone near to retirement age, who is very very established in that area. And because of the historical biases of science the latter group are predominantly white middle class heterosexual able bodied, etc, cisgendered men. And that creates a lot of unconscious biases in itself. There is also the problem that if you look at how academia looks or research in general looks generally in the biological sciences there are a lot of women at degree level, and a small number of women going to do PhDs, and then on to do postdocs. And some get as far as very junior academic positions, but often then leave academia or research completely around that point. So you don't see a huge number of women in senior roles. So whenever we're looking at senior authors on papers, we are biasing against women by doing that. And one of the things that I also using first authors which are the people on the bench doing the work that we kind of offset that in a way, but it's something that we need to consciously think about as editors and it's something that we need to do when we're picking our reviewers. I've picked a white man, I need to find someone that's not a white man. Sometimes that is actually easy. Sometimes it's incredibly difficult. Sometimes. There are some names from some countries, I can't predict the gender of the individual, or the biological sex of the individual, and if I were to Google that person I'll find loads of people with the same name so I can't always know. So in the case of gender, what the gender of an author is, unless they're active on social media and have lots of photos on the internet, but I can go by it is quite difficult so we have to start where we can. And I think one problem that we've always had as a journal since I took it over in 2014 is we don't have a huge global diversity of handling editors. We do, we have handling editors in lots of different countries, but we've tried repeatedly to recruit handling editors from Africa and from Central America and South America. And there's a lot of general interest people kind of are wanting to do it, but as soon as it comes down to okay well this is the role, this is what we would need you to do. People don't want to do it anymore. And we don't really fully understand why that is. And that affects us because it means we don't have a person on the ground in a given continent or a given region where we can say look there's a conference in that area can you attend it on behalf of the editors you're nearby. It affects us in that way it also affects us in not having intelligence about trends and current hot topics in that given area that would help us again a lot but in terms of editorial practice. It certainly impacts us in many ways of not having that huge diversity of editors, but it is something that we are conscious of and every time an editor has left the editorial board. We've been trying to recruit people who are not straight white heterosexual cis men, as much as I can because we've got a very large number of them, and we need to kind of balance things out as much as possible. And that works with mixed ability because we're always recruiting for a very specific role, we need a handling editor that can deal with this particular area. I had a male handling editor leave earlier this year for quite legitimate reasons after a few years on the editorial board. And I couldn't find anybody at all of any gender who could do what he did which was two quite separate areas of the same area of microbiology. We were not into women instead, who could do half each, and that worked. So not trying to do like for like, IE one out one in going one out will have two people or three people to cover that instead. So we can split it up. I've found I'm trying to find a way around it and bring in more people, but it is difficult, and it is something we're very conscious of and I've been very conscious of it all the way back to 2014, when I took over the journal, and it's taken all this time to get as far as we've got with it and what you can't do and what I don't want to do is consciously get rid of handling editors and just say what we're having a color of handling editors, you all have to go. When they're great committed people who've been with us for a long time. We also don't want to put a term on handling editors and say, you only serve a five years or 10 years because some of our best handling editors have been with us 25 years or more. And that's not something we would ever really want to do either. So finding ways to build in that diversity of editors is not as straightforward as you would think unless you were to get rid of a whole editorial board and start from scratch, which is not something I would ever dream of doing it's going to be existing editors as much as anything else, but we do naturally have editors who stand down a few a year for quite legitimate reasons, others just want to take a temporary break. And we always do try to recruit to replace with some level of greater diversity than what we've already got. As reviewers, we always try and aim for as much diversity as we can but what we have to be very conscious of is, there are very few types of diversity that are visible when you're searching for a reviewer. I was looking for a reviewer for a paper, and I was thinking, actually I need to try and try and get some balance to my reviewers. In some cases, but not all cases, I could see a picture of the reviewer online somewhere which might tell me what I perceive their gender to be, not necessarily what they would label their gender as. They're putting their pronouns after their names on their websites, which is great because then you know what gender they actually are, and that makes things a lot easier. I can tell from their name or perhaps from where they did their first degree if it's on their website or their biography, what country they're originally from, often they still work in the country they're originally from. If I do that, I can see from when they did their PhD, kind of what career stage they are at. What I can't tell in the majority of cases is I'm not able to tell whether someone is transgender, because unless they disclose that information, I wouldn't know. I can't tell what someone's sexual orientation is because unless they disclose it, I wouldn't know. I can't tell whether they're disabled, because unless they disclose it, I wouldn't know. I can't tell the socioeconomic background of their family, because unless they disclose it, I wouldn't know. Likewise, religion, political belief, etc, etc, which are all under the nine protected criteria for diversity that most countries seem to work with or to some degree have adopted. So whilst on the one hand it's great to say we need to include more diversity, we have to be very aware that what most people mean when they talk about diversity boils down to perceived gender and perceived race or perceived country of origin. It doesn't always go much deeper than that and into the other categories. So it can be difficult. And certainly if I got a submission in from an early career academic or an early career postdoc or PhD student, who I happened to know was very active on social media and had a website. I knew that they were involved in things like the 500 queer scientists initiative or in the disabled scientists initiative, or I've seen them talk about those topics. I might consciously think I'm going to try and get reviewers that might understand perhaps why that field work was a bit limited because they couldn't do that whole track in one day or whatever. But 99% of the time we don't know that about the individual so it's very, very hard for us to do any kind of diversity beyond the basics, which are being done and that's great in one sense we really do need to tackle the issue around biases around race or origin and biases around perceived gender. And I say perceived gender because the gender a person is and the gender they are when I look at them without asking them are two different things. They've got to be tackle those are really big issues but we must never forget about all the other types of diversity that there are in this wonderfully diverse world of science that we are in. And we often forget that they exist, let alone think about ways that we can be more inclusive or more equitable to those individuals. So in terms of peer review practice for journals. I think what we've all got to consciously do for picking two reviewers or four reviewers, try and make sure they're not gender balance is always a difficult thing because that implies there are two genders. But certainly make sure they're not all white men that can be done. That's not difficult to do. In most cases, certainly try and make sure that if the author principal author is clearly from a minority group and we know about it to try and make sure at least one reviewer is from the same minority group if we can, because it means that we've got someone who might understand why certain things could be done or couldn't be done. There are many, many enzymes that are used in laboratories which are animal products and certain religious groups will not use them so there are some experiments that that individual or people in that particular country can't use. And we need to remember that we need to keep it in mind when we're reviewing papers. But to do that requires some knowledge and some understanding of those limitations and the kind of thing a lot of us would not even think about. And I'll be honest, I didn't think about until I had a PhD student from the Middle East, who said, I can't work with that enzyme because of the animal that it's from. And we managed to find a recombinant version, more expensive, but we managed to find one. So they could do the work, but that's not always the case. And it is difficult sometimes to try and find a solution. And I think it's something we're still across academia and across research still very much finding our feet with as whilst equality and diversity, etc. And being talked about well over 20 years. I think there's been a big change in the last five years, certainly a big change in the way the general public are starting to get a better understanding of these things. And I'm hoping it's going to percolate through to academia research and to journals. As it percolates through to fighting general.


Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Ranking Member. You know, this is an unusual hearing at an unusual time. I have never seen a hearing so close to an election on any topic, let alone on something that is so obviously a violation of our obligation under the law and the rules of the Senate to stay out of electioneering. We never do this, and there is a very good reason that we don't call people before us to yell at them for not doing our bidding during an election. It is a misuse of taxpayer dollars. What's happening here is a scar on this committee and the United States Senate. What we are seeing today is an attempt to bully the CEOs of private companies into carrying out a hip job on a presidential candidate by making sure that they push out foreign and domestic misinformation meant to influence the election. To our witnesses today, you and other tech leaders need to stand up to this immoral behavior.  You've hired Republican operatives, hosted private dinners with Republican leaders, and in contravention of your terms of service, given special dispensation to right-wing voices and even throttled aggressive journalism. Simply put, the Republicans have been successful in this play. And so during one of the most consequential elections in American history, my colleagues are trying to run this play again, and it is an embarrassment. I have plenty of questions for the witnesses on section 230 on antitrust, on privacy, on anti-Semitism, on their relationship with journalism, but we have to call this hearing what it is. It's a sham. And so for the first time in my eight years in the United States Senate, I'm not going to use my tongue to ask any questions because this is nonsense. And it's not going to work this time. This play my colleagues are running did not start today, and it's not just happening here in the Senate. It is a coordinated effort by Republicans across the government. Last May, President Trump issued an executive order designed to narrow the protections of section 230 to discourage platforms from engaging in content moderation on their own sites. After it was issued, President Trump started tweeting that section 230 should be repealed as if he understands section 230. In the last six months, President Trump has tweeted repeal section 230 five times, in addition to other tweets that in which he's threatened the tech companies. A few weeks later, President Trump withdrew the nomination of FCC Commissioner Mike O'Reilly. Republican Commissioner O'Reilly questioned the FCC's authority to regulate under section 230. And the statute is not unclear on this. President Trump then nominated Nathan Simington, who was the drafter of NTIA's petition to the FCC regarding section 230. And Republican senators have enthusiastically participated. Since June of this year, six Republican only bills have been introduced, all of which threaten platform's ability to moderate content on their site. And as the election draws closer, this Republican effort has become more and more aggressive. September 23rd, DOJ unveiled its own section 230 draft legislation that would narrow the protections under the current law and discourage platforms from moderating content on their own site. September 14th and October 1st respectively, Senators Holly and Kennedy tried to pass their Republican only section 230 bills, you know, live unanimous consent. Now what that means is they went down to the floor and without a legislative hearing, without any input from Democrats at all, they tried to pass something so foundational to the internet unanimously without any discussion and any debate. On the same day as Senator Kennedy's UC attempt, Senator Wicker forced the Commerce Committee, not any discussion or negotiation beforehand, to vote on subpoenaing the CEOs of Twitter, Facebook and Google to testify. That's why we're here today. Two weeks later on October 14th, Justice Clarence Thomas on his own issued a statement that appeared to support the narrowing of the court's interpretation on section 230. The very next day, the FCC chairman Ajit Pai announced that the FCC would seek to clarify the meaning of section 230. On that day, Senator Graham announced that the Judiciary Committee would vote to subpoena the tech companies over the content moderation. And the context of this, in addition to everything, is that Senator Cruz is on Maria Bartiromo talking about a blockbuster story from the New York Post, Senator Holly is on Fox and on the Senate more. And the Commerce Committee itself is tweeting out a campaign style video that sort of alarmingly says Hunter Biden's emails, tech censorship. On October 21st, Senator Holly reattempted to pass his bill on section 230 via UC, again, without going through any committee markup or vote. And on Friday, Senator Graham announced that the CEOs of Facebook and Twitter would testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee on November 17. This is bullying. And it is for electoral purposes. Do not let the United States Senate bully you into carrying the water for those who want to advance misinformation. And don't let the specter of removing section 230 protections or an amendment to antitrust law or any other kinds of threats cause you to be a party to the subversion of our democracy. I will be glad to participate in good faith bipartisan hearings on these issues when the election is over. But this is not that. Thank you. Thank


I'm Michael McRobbie and I'm the president of Indiana University. My real interest on graduating was in logic and mathematical logic. And the center in Australia, in fact at the time I think a true world center in that field was at the Australian National University. One of my professors from where I did my first degree had moved to ANU and I basically followed him. It was a truly marvellous experience. The professor who I very rapidly started working with was a man called Bob Meyer. In university life one meets many, many very smart people. One meets few true geniuses and Bob I think was a genuine genius. A man of extremely eccentric personal habits and for example he was nocturnal. So if you wanted to work with him you had to work with him between some time in the evening and four in the morning. But over that period he was I think at his absolute peak intellectually and I had the privilege of working with him and he was my principal doctoral supervisor. Not only do I think I got a wonderful research education as a graduate student but the broader intellectual environment at ANU I think was in Australia just unsurpassed. There was a constant flow of immensely distinguished people in all kinds of disciplines in the field. For example I remember seeing the famous philosopher Sir Isaac Berlin Nobel Prize winning physicist Paul Barak. I remember hearing him speak a number of times and that wasn't just once a semester. That was almost every couple of weeks you were seeing people of that quality were coming through. Research universities really are engines of economic development and I think are essential to any modern economy. By most measures it's the finest research university in Australia. When I was there half of the fellows of the Royal Society in Australia were all at ANU and the rest were scattered over all the other universities and I think that alone spoke for the quality of the institution. On behalf of the university I'd like to congratulate Professor Michael McRobbie as the 2015 alumnus of the year. His contributions internationally to higher education have been enormous and ANU is enormously proud to count him amongst our alumni.


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Shout out to my boy, I ain't going to tell you his name, but he was like, man, he's at Dallas, got it right now, in Texas in general. But when he said Dallas got it, what are you talking about, what? He's just saying like, the women. Oh, okay. That's what he said. You know what I mean? I'm going to keep it real with you. See, look, when you from Dallas, you want to see something new man, you know what I mean? That's like LA, people come to LA, they're like, oh man, the women beautiful out here, I'm like. See? Nah, she been around here for a long time, you know what I mean?   The bitches at your school, baby. But you appreciate it later though.  That's what he said, OG, man. He said you see the same one. Oh, yeah, because the real splits going to travel. Remember that, the real splits travel, yeah. Or, you know, they going to do that thing and they going to migrate somewhere else. You know what I mean? 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You know what I mean? Makita's Cookies, man, I actually went out there, interviewed them. They've been dragging them folks, put them in a murder dog, but I've been kind of, you know what I mean? That ain't they fault to us. We ain't got nothing to do with them people, man. Nothing at all, bro. Nothing.  And that's hard, you know, to see that business have to go through that. So it made me feel like, man, we got to rock with them.  Fast. So what I'm saying is we got to keep our businesses going, the small integrated businesses that we have. We got to try to keep them going. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, most definitely. So, man, what's up with the show, man? I mean, I see you over there killing the game, man. Yeah, man. What's the craziest thing you're seeing here lately going on that show, man? Man, you know, it's a lot of positivity now, man. Because we trying to, like you just said, bro, as black people, we trying to conduct ourselves the right way now. Like, we all come from the hood.  We don't want these investors to be scared of us and stuff. We got a lot of sponsors now, too. So we got, like, seven, eight sponsors, like, all together right now, too. So we ain't trying to mess up no sponsor money, say something wrong. Just, you know what I'm saying?  So just being real professional, we getting ready for some more live shows and stuff, too.  So we doing a Novo in November. I see y'all doing a live show. I see y'all doing a live show. Two sold out. Yeah, the first one is the one I seen. It was like that. Yeah, yeah. You on the level with it, bro. How we going to New York?  So you called me. I think I remember you had when you jumped on the internet a little bit, you was in DR. Yeah. And then you called me from DR. Yeah. You were in DR kicking it. He called me. I'm like, man, this nigga right here is in DR.  I need to be over there. Go everywhere, though. It was super fun, though. But, you know, now we trying to integrate everything, too. I got to, I got to come down south, man.  But it watches us the most. Really? Yeah. And we don't never come out here, bro. We don't never do shows. We don't ever integrate with the people. So I'm like, you know what? I love Houston. I said, I'm going to start coming to Dallas. I'm going to start going to Houston more. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.  Hop on everybody pots.  You know what I'm saying, too. So yeah. I tripped off, man. I ain't going to lie to you. You know the internet buzzing. I don't want to talk too much on too many things, man. But you listen, man. Listen, bro, your name be ringing. That's all I'm going to say. I've seen your old Joe Budden show. You know what I'm saying? Joe Budden, man. Joe Budden had Joe over there. He would, you know, the questions was going down. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You were trying to understand where you stand in the whole situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your whole, like your name being spoken on. I can't say that.  I was like, man, bro, how was it? Oh, how was it over there? You was being so nice. Oh, you was Mr. Nice guy down in Houston. You were like, man, I just, you know, thank God for the opportunity. And then the next thing I still feel like. Wait a minute. Then I see you the next time pulling out receipts. I only made $2,000 here. I made $2,000 here. I definitely make more than $6,000. What was that about? I got to hear about that episode, bro.  You could have brought the receipts to Houston, nigga. You know, like I said, I'm one of the people where I'm trying to be cool. You know what I'm saying? But the nigga and me still pop out of sometimes. You feel me?  But I feel a tag. I just, you know, I just strike back.   Like, that's all it is, man.  Like, I know I heard the, I did hear the Boulay Kev interview. It was some shots fired, you know, war shots. All counter stuff were going on over there. So I'm just trying to figure out how do you move when, when, when your name being drugged through the mud, but then it is a counteraction to where it's saying, oh, but you're using our name to pretty much give views. Yeah. I mean, I'm learning how to respond to stuff.  You know what I'm saying? So and I know in the business world that don't work. You know, and I'm a grown man. I'm 34 years old. I should be able to conduct myself with words without having to resort to that. Now if it's costs for that, then do that though. But I ain't about to let nobody have me crash out. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I got, I got my children. You feel me? I got a great career.   You know what I'm saying?   But let me ask you this though. When you like, when you look at Snoop Dogg, I remember the Bible Wars, you know, y'all don't, y'all young niggas, y'all don't know. I got the Bible Wars. The Bible Wars. No, the Bible Wars, niggas.   The Bible Wars. Let me tell you the Bible. Let me tell you. It was once that nigga, that ain't the one that was on Ray's show that y'all, the producer Quincy Jones. Quincy Jones was pushing it, right? Well, you were pushing the Bible. Yeah. You know, but Snoop Dogg, they got into a fight in there. I think we're fifting them, got into a fight in there. You talking about Dr. Dre with us? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you're talking about him. Yeah, yeah. I'm telling you like. I'm telling you like. But Snoop was on stage. But something Snoop said that was so detrimental during that time, he said, man, if I had moved, 300 more niggas would have got into it. So I didn't move. And when you be talking, I thought about there's like, some of the things you say in the world you come from could cause something to ignite. If you say things the wrong way on the internet, react to things a certain way, niggas going to move a certain way. And I still get blamed though. Exactly. You know what I mean? Because they can lock you up for anything. You said this or he said that and they tied together on these podcasts or wherever. So what do you do to try to keep the situation to a calm state, bro? How do you do it? You know, just in general, I didn't made it through everything. You know what I'm saying?  So when my homeboys, I got people that really love me, they're going to do whatever though. You know what I'm saying? And it's only so much I can say where it's like, hey bro, don't respond that way. Don't react that way. But when they at least come to me, when I facilitate to my homies and stuff like that, I got to be a real leader. So I'm like, look, don't even come to me with no negativity. You know what I'm saying? Unless it's in our face, we can handle it then. But if not, we ain't going to look for it. We ain't about to sit there and ponder on that. Let's go get some, you know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah, a little homie. You rap. All right, let's put you in the studio. You know what I'm saying? I bought a studio on my little homies. Y'all go rap. Y'all go do y'all thing. Y'all need some help.  Ten years, you know what I mean? He be feeling a certain way about certain stuff. Wow. You know what I'm saying? He was the hothead. Yeah. But man, Mary, you know what I'm saying? He's editing, shooting his own videos with an iPhone, editing them. He's making his own artwork. He's sitting there pushing. He's doing what he's supposed to be doing. And it's like, I'd rather see stuff like that than anything else. Because at the end of the day, all they're going to say anyway is day some niggas. Yeah. At the end of the day. And where does that put, even having a stigma? Even having that stigma around me. They going to get that bag to somebody else when they can say, you know what? He's a good businessman. He putting up great numbers. I've seen what that done in my rap career. Yeah.  And I'm like, how am I a liability? Are we here some things or are you affiliated with this? You affiliated with that. So a lot of doors was closed for me before I even got a chance to do anything. So now I got a situation now to where it's doing great. I'm a boss. I'm independent.   We got the city. Man, we got to conduct ourselves like businessmen now. Man, Pon is over there. And he's not.  He don't talk like you. I should have got Pon down here. But Pon would have had to.    Pon would have came over here and shut it down. But Pon also though, see one thing people don't know is that this is secondary for Pon. Yeah. Pon works for a big label. He's been working for a big label. Wow. But he's still rocking with you. Oh, no. That's my guy from day one. You know what I'm saying? Help me get to where I'm at now. But he don't have to do podcasting. He's not in this for a check. He actually loves doing that. He has a corporate label job. Wow.   It's bigger than what people think. They just think that niggas. Yeah.  Like nah, niggas got emotion.  You know what I'm saying? They got to throw it in their face all the time. But like, yeah, everybody know.  Talk to me about like big community and community.   But y'all don't really invite, I ain't seen like YG on there. I ain't seen like the OT genesis on there like y'all used to bring on those jumpers. Like when is that going to happen? Because y'all already together. Yeah. So this is the thing. When it comes down to artists and I, you're an artist. Yeah, I'm an artist. But I kind of like how our fan base is, how it's integrated. The everyday person has a chance of being a star to our people.  We leave the chat on there.  It's going to break them down right then and there. They're going to say everything under the sun that you could think of every time. So a lot of artists, they're not used to hearing the truth or they're not used to people making, yeah, they're not used to people making jokes about them and stuff like that. And then a lot of people, a lot of artists ain't got no personalities like that. So we like sitting with people that we actually got to report with. You know what I'm saying? People that we actually mentioned with, because then we're going to have a fun time. We don't want to do the same hip hop questions.  Come down here. You feel me?  That's hard. It's kind of like, your show is kind of set up the same as here. Like, y'all go live, too. Right? Y'all go straight live and y'all just start, that's the way. Y'all both do the same type set up. So I thought that would be cool to just bring y'all to your show.  And they most definitely over there, he got a setting where he got people behind him.  Look, see, anything goes on my shit, man. I'm by myself. I'm by myself, nigga. I'm by yourself. I'm doing the stream yard, so I just got people coming up with me. Anything goes. You know what I mean? Nigga been told me anything. Nigga been told me we're going to kill, we're done with whatever. You know what I mean? So the way we do shit, bro, is most definitely similar to what you do, but nah, bro, anything goes when nobody's besides you. You feel me?    It's live.  You know what I mean? Once a nigga, you know what I mean?  So, you gotta check it out, bro. Yeah, you come to LA, too. You gotta go sit down with us, man. I had Wack 100 on the show. Oh, yeah, you had Wack 100. BOSCO 100. Oh, yeah, man. LaVenza? All right, yeah. I was up to 56, and I was on hip hop homicides, too. 50 cent more. You know I felt a film for that, too? Oh, for real, you did? The episode didn't come out, though. Why? Which episode was it? Man, it's my guy, though. What happened? I filmed for it, though. But what happened? I don't know. I was waiting for it to come. You ain't the best one. Mack down with Soldier Slim? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mack didn't come out either. He didn't come out. Nah, it's certain ones like this. They was asking me about, like, a pop smoke. Yeah. Oh, okay.  Yeah. Like, when he first came to LA, he knew him and y'all rocked out. He hit me up. Like, before I even, like, really was tuned into his music, he DM'd me. He was just like, hey, what's up, bro? I'm in town. Like, he was doing everything the right way. Yeah.  And then when I seen him, and the last time I seen him, it was in Miami. And they was out there, deep as a motherfucker, just a solid individual, bro. Wow. You know what I'm saying? So, how did, he just said, he linked with you when he came to town. And what did they say on the show? Well, they was asking me, like, about the politics and everything surrounding that. Because, like, I just hate it.   You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And they get killed in LA. All the time, bro. Yeah.  LA niggas go to New York.  LA niggas come to Texas. They come anywhere.  And it's just, as soon as motherfuckers come to our city, bro, it's just niggas always like that. Every time it happened, niggas make my stomach curl. Because it just pushes us back way more. And he's going forward back. Because, you know, it's biggie. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. P&B rock, niggas. You know what I mean? So many kids. P&B, another person who moved the right way in the city. I used to see them all the time. Used to be with the right people, bro. I just hate, I just hate, bro, like, how my city is right now, the state of it, just the robberies right now. Like, they wasn't robbing white people before. Now the white people, they're going to Beverly Hills now. They taking Richard Milley's now.  They tripping on Rodeo. They tripping on Rodeo. They doing everything. Yeah, it's crazy. Oh, niggas, you guys see, niggas run out the store with clothes right now. It's crazy. The motherfuckers, they got that one. The West Coast crazy. One of our, one of our, like, nicest malls. 50 people running in there.  Snatching everything.   Just everything, every day.     Niggas. That's crazy. They really getting to it. Niggas getting to it. Because they got these new laws right now, too. So I don't know if they stopped it, but we had no cash bills for a minute. Really? Which was dumb. You know what I'm saying? No cash bills. No cash bills and shit, too. And then if it's not over a certain amount, you can't really get in trouble for it no more. So that's why everybody's running. That's why niggas doing it. They run into the nicest stores. They run into the doors. They run into the doors. Yeah. I'm just hungry. I'm hungry, nigga. I put a sauce, man. I'm hungry, nigga. This is bad. That's the man. I'm gonna make me a money and money moly and we slide.   But money moly is crazy. That's the man. I like that.  You know, I thought about when, and I got to bring this up a little bit. The no jumper thing when, when he, you know, when the thing happened with you, I looked back at me. I said really, I'll elude. Because it really, it does. It does make people look at you, but when you guys, when y'all had the little old back and forth with me and Charleston here, it was like, okay, it's the same thing now. Cause they like, okay, y'all ain't, y'all ain't doing, y'all got them little old 30, 40 views over there. How you doing? I'm saying, hey to you. I forgot y'all niggas ain't smoke, bro. I forgot it was smoke in my niggas show. I forgot it was smoke. I did, bro. I forgot y'all niggas going in it, bro.  Who on this shit?  But that's crazy.   That's real. That's real. That's a put, that's a put boss talk on my radar.  And I just started watching the content. I was like, I was like, hi, man. Same as Charleston.  And then I started watching, I'm like, man, this nigga funny as a motherfucker, man. But I see a good thing you gotta understand when you basically was saying this, I was like, cool, you know, I don't have no better views, but them niggas got over there talking, got millions, I gotta stir it up. Yeah, yeah. But look, you did, you did what you were supposed to do. You shake the pot, man.  Shout out to Charleston too, man, I just talked to him too. Yeah, but I'ma say this right here, man. The real thing I gotta say about you is when you really like think about what you were doing, you still were defending like, boss talk.  You was the only one doing that. Everybody else was like after niggas, even house phone were like, who is that nigga? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, niggas talk. You kept it a solid and I couldn't do nothing but like, man, that nigga, I gotta meet that nigga for real. And you know, even when I finally talked to Charleston, it was the same thing.  You said something bad about me on a white person's platform. And I was like, I'm like, you're right. That was the reason he was sitting right here doing that character phone news deal. And I was like, man, we gotta talk about this nigga. He talking about it.  I was like, wait, we gotta get some of that. We got to get some of that. You know what I'm saying?  You feel me? Yeah, for real, for reals, man. The one thing I can't say, man, about you is, man, I love your independence, bro. Like I said, anytime a nigga getting his own bag, let's talk about it just to break down. I don't want you to go into deep detail on the money, but what's more beneficial for you now that you have your own channel? All bro, just that ad revenue on the sponsors. Okay. The sponsors is like, because they coming out the way works now and not just for our show as a whole for each individual show as well too. So a lot of the sponsors that we have, we all have individually as well too. So yeah, shout out to Mr. Mushy's, shout out to EPTM, shout out to Minimal, shout out to King Palm, shout out to Mr. Sum, Mr. Sum, big chief for sure. Oh yeah, for sure, you got change now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, bro, just a lot of our sponsors, man, they just, bro, they take care of us, they believe in us from the get go. When we made the transition, especially Minimal, Minimal said, look, here's the bag.  But yeah, these live shows too, man, that's a big part of this stuff too. Yeah, man, flew to the live shows. No, no, this one, as we did them first two, and we probably, the next offer was probably triple or triple or four times more than what originally what it was to sell the shit. So is that the new move, bro? I mean, you see a lot of rappers getting deals, you see a lot of niggas getting tours, is that the new, a lot of comedians? Now it's the content creators. Now it's the cats, you know what I mean? You see what these niggas is getting right now? Aiden Ross and these kick deals and shit? I'm running like they just got a hell of a deal. They did, that's what they said. They said Aiden Ross got more than LeBron's salary. Damn, man. Yeah. God damn. You can breathe.  Nah, but you gotta think about it, man. You got the youth, right? And the people, they're not paying just for the talent, they paying for the data. So you can have 40, 50,000 people watching you every night.  So they getting that motherfucking data, it's crazy. Wow, what do you think is the next move to make you guys go to the next level?  So that's why the food show works so good.  It's more expensive, but now we got to film and do what we gotta do. But those outside shows is important. Yeah, because that's the real content. You gotta think about it like, how many podcasts do they have now? Man. Everybody on there, right? So what separates every single person from just sitting at a table talking, having topics and doing that?  You feel me? So it can be nigga, hey, boss talk, go to eat, go get some ribs from over here.    I'm scared of heights. I'm eating dinner in the sky. You know what I'm saying?  Shout out to Sam Kolder. He, them guys figured it out real. Y'all know if you know Sam Kolder, but them guys like they travel and do different things and make it look dope and make it look live and they make money by just being niggas that drive you. And these networks will get picked that up. Yeah. But on their platform as well too. So that's crazy. They see you, they already know you got talent. They hear nigga music. They know what you would do behind this microphone.  They want to see them. They want to see a nigga jury shopping.  Just anything. They just want to see your life. But that's why that vlogging is important though. Yeah, most definitely.  My first vlog of the day, he's got to drop my vlog, me and Mo3 son. I said, yeah, I went here. I went and got Mo3 son, the late great Mo3. I went and got his son, took his son.  I want to show people what I'm doing behind the scene. You know what I mean? A lot of things I'm doing to help a lot. A lot of different people in Dallas, a lot of fallen soldiers, a lot of rappers. So yeah, I feel you where you coming from, bro.   I think his content over creates the same thing. Gary Vee was doing that like early on. I love his movement where you can see everything that he can do. Gary Vee was incredible. I think he paved the way for a lot of us. I give him his kudos because a lot of stuff I seen him doing, I knew I would do it my own way. And it was going to come off different because I'm a different color. But at the end of the day, it's still content. You know what I mean? Yeah, most definitely. I think that's hard, bro.  Y'all were high school beef and you niggas really, y'all were going to do nothing really just real till I was these young people.  It's crazy. I was with him at the concert yesterday. Like that's my God. But you know, it's kind of a similar situation of like why I'm here and, you know, getting to with Charleston. And now me and Charleston, it's the same type of situation. Same thing with YG?  But you was young. What made you go, I guess, cause you just, you were like 50 cent. You was just one with every, one at every level. Yeah, that's what he did. That's what he did. Just so like, I'm gonna just go at any nigga that's, so you know what I'm saying? Before niggas was really game banging, we had cliques in the city. And a lot of them cliques was why he was part of like the biggest clique. Okay. And I was trying to come up rapping, trying to get a name for myself. So the niggas that I knew I was cool with, they were all together and then they split up. And then YG and his people, they were just dissing them.  You feel me? So none of these niggas knew me. And I was like, look, give me a list of their names with everybody name on here. Tell me something unique about them. I'm gonna diss these niggas. You feel me?   How hard did you own him?    But the respect came because he was the only person that dissed me back. Oh, okay. So nobody else said nothing. No, nobody else said nothing. So he don't know how hard enough to say anything.   So this the early YG before the hit? This is before the hit. Even when that happened, I'm going back and forth with him.  It was like some real problems, you know what I'm saying? But he was the only single person. And then later on, he was out of our generation to first to get a record deal. He hit hard.  And it went up. Not in this, this nigga, you feel me? I'm already on that. I'm never going to get him out. I'm never going to get him out. I'm never going to remit. I'm never going to come up out of LA. I'm already on the wrong track. But once he got signed, you know what I'm saying?  So just immediately, you know what I'm saying? I was just supporting them, supporting them, supporting them. Every time he dropped a song album, I was, I mean, not album, but mixtape was doing it. You feel me? YG is one of our greats in the city. And then, you know, later on we in the studio and we just started talking about the past and we was chopping it up for like, like an hour. Then he was just like, hey, I want you to listen to my second album. This is after his first album. First album, that's a classic.  I said, all right, cool. I'll go to the studio, I'll go to the lab with him. He put me on his second album. You know what I'm saying? So that was a full circle moment and then doing videos and us and I'm like, that's my God. Like I don't care what nobody say about him. Like nigga, that's my homie for life. And same type of situation. I'm like, it may have started off a crazy way, but look where it led to now. And just to see yesterday, we chilling at the Beyonce concert. Everybody talking about it. You're not doing your thing. You doing your thing. Why'd you do this thing? He come perform. Hey, D, what's up? And it's like, it just all came together at the end of the day. You know what I'm saying? The crazy thing is like, even with you being with Clover G, hanging with Flip Nium and doing all that.  So it's really like y'all got a fan base, and so y'all just take them with you wherever you go, right? Shout out to Flip too, cause he looked out for my big homie. Back in the OG Suicide, for sure, for sure. Okay, okay. He looked out for him. For sure, for sure. Yeah, that's my nigga. You know what I'm saying? The whole Clover G. The whole Clover G, man. The whole Clover G. The whole gang, man. So, man, listen to, I gotta give respect to Paul Wall as well, too. Hey, shout out to Paul Wall, man. He did a song for me and did a video a long time ago too. Like, yeah, look out for me, bro. What's the name of the song? It's called, it's, we got a video too. It's called a wide open, something like that. Really? Rob Cart dashing. Yeah, he did some of the music. Oh, what about Rob Cart dashing? He said, what about Rob Cart dashing? Let me use his, what's that called again? What the M? Fucked up right now. Maserati now. He let me use his Maserati.  Yeah, me and Paul Wall, so, yeah, man. You and OT Genesis just did, you love it? Or is it, you love it? What's that song y'all doing? Oh yeah, you love it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my brother, man. He don't have sleeping right now. I know, but how did y'all come together to even do that? You know what's crazy is that everybody know us, bro, like just two peas in the pie, bro. I wouldn't be where I'm at right now if it wasn't for him. So he showed me, bro, like, he was the first person to show me, like, it's more than just the hood.  Like, you need to go travel the world. And like, literally, bro, I would not be where I'm at if it wasn't for him. Wow, like, how did you guys even first blink? Man, I met him when I was like 15 years old. Really?  He was a part of this group called Fans. That nigga's the best group walker in the hall. And he always been like that. For sure. Ain't no nigga messing with that nigga. Nobody's coming.     He was part of these niggas that, you know what I'm saying? His homies come in, the R&B music come on.  You feel me? I didn't like when the niggas came up in here. You know what I'm mean?  You know what I'm mean?  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like, no.     Snatch it down, you know what I'm sayin'? Like it's, nah, but we linked up later on. We had a mutual friend, RPG5, that passed away. Okay. And my baby mama ended up taking him home.  And then the next day he invited me to the Roosevelt Hotel, which is a very nice hotel. And at the time, like where I come from, my neighborhood, like it's a lot of internals and stuff like that.  The closest person to you will be the person that do you in.  So yeah, he invited me, him and his brother invited me to the Roosevelt Hotel. I went there, man, we havin' drinks, we havin' food. I ain't got no money in my pocket. I'm like, damn, I don't even wanna eat.  You know what I'm sayin'? Maybe the French fries, but not everything else. So I'm like, I don't know, man.  Oh, that's what I'm sayin'.   I'm like, I ain't tryin' to drink too much. You feel me? And man, took care of the bill.  Then the next day, they was like, we come back tomorrow, come back tomorrow. And I'm like, it's kickin' it. And I was like, why are these niggas so nice to me? I didn't get it. I said, why are these niggas so nice to me? I'm like, maybe it's something though. Now I'm paranoid. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  They tryin' to get me. They tryin' to get me. They tryin' to line me up. But man, nah, it was just genuine, bro. And then I started goin' to the club with him, bro. Maybe five, six times a week. He like, look, this how we gon' make it. We gon' go to the clubs.  And the DJs will let him perform every single night. I will be with him. And I started buildin' my relationship with them. And you know, Buster, seein' them in the club, signed them. Signed them. Wow, yeah. That's whole legendary. Legendary. I remember when that happened, too. Legendary. I was like, this nigga, I don't know the Buster, right? And he delivered, too. Before, listen, before Coco came out and he got that check, oh, we was wild. Oh, I was scared, man. I was super scared. That's the way it be, right? Everybody came fast. No, no, no, cause we goin' to the studio. He ain't workin'. We partying. He ain't even workin'. He ain't workin'. I'm like, bro, we goin' 10 minutes before the club is endin'.  And I'm like, bro, as a friend, I'm like, hey, bro, you trippin'. Are you comin' or no? I'm like, I'm comin'. Yeah, yeah, I'm comin'. But I gotta tell you, and then the work. Man, I remember one time, these fuckin' engineers, they told the label, like, he ain't workin'. They're like, where's the music? They're like, he don't work. This nigga don't work. He don't work. He don't work at all. They switchin' out the engineers. They like, y'all, somethin' wrong with y'all. Right? And then he dropped Coco and it was. That's it. That nigga's down. He knew we could do it. That nigga's down. I was so mad, I missed the video too. Then he didn't say. Being late.  I didn't know, I didn't know. He had the real Coco in there too, right? He had Iced tea in there, right? Was the real Coco in there? Nah, bro, it was in a Hispanic. I think Coco was in that video. I think Coco was in the video, dude. No, maybe the second version. Maybe the second one. I'm talkin' about the OG version. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it was him and his brother that was supposed to be the third nigga, and I just came late. And you didn't even make it. I didn't even listen. When I first heard the song, I didn't think it was like that. I don't think me or him knew that. Oh, he went. Stupid through the roof, man. Through the roof, come on. Yeah, yeah, he had a couple of motherfuckers out there. No, he ain't never dropped the album, bro. That's crazy, nigga. No, he dropped singles, bro. That's crazy, nigga. A single nigga today. Nigga nigga dropped a single on that. Yeah, off on himself. Still. Nigga, yeah. Khaled bought him out last night at the Beyoncé concert. You see what I'm saying? No, I think it is. She just hit right for it.  And I said, look, and when was you there, bro?  What you, what you, what you there, man? What you there? Shout out to DDG, man. Oh, damn, I've seen that.  Shout out to DDG, man. He was explaining it. I've seen that nigga explaining the night. Shout out, shout out to DDG.   Yeah, I think it, I think it.  Just once again, you and he another black man, nigga, respect what he's doing. You feel me? And when it come down to this internet game, bro, he paid away for a lot of people too. Oh, yeah, most definitely. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Shout out to DDG, man. Yeah, man, I gotta ask you like, how far, how far should a nigga go to get views, man? To me, that's like selling your soul, man. I'm just asking you how far should a nigga go to get views, bro. Like I heard one person say, and I gotta go back to this, you know, can you diggers get a million views?  You know, I don't got a million views on the show before, but I'm just saying, how far will you go to get views? I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this. I need both of y'all to explain this to me. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm just wondering what you, I'm right here, right? I'm in DMW, Dallas, Fort Worth, the home of Charleston White, right? Nigga, I'm not going as far as that nigga going. I'm gonna keep 1,000 with you, favorite.  Like at the end of the day, I feel like I'm not that type of nigga.  You feel me? Charleston White is one of them niggas he entertaining. He funny, you know what I mean?  Listen, you gotta think about what Charleston's doing though, the niggas really undefeated, bro. Oh, most definitely. He going everywhere. Most definitely.  Like nigga went out there, everybody saying something.     Because was it stage? Yeah, I'm gonna say it. I talked to the nigga. I don't think it was stage. Hold on, I'm gonna say this. I wanna say this. Okay, I wanna say this. I talked to the nigga. What's the name? Swain Swain. I talked to that nigga. I talked to him. Well, this is what I did. I called him, right? I just called him this on some, like, what's up types we don't even talk.  Like, you know what I mean?  It was a certain thing.  I couldn't do this. I couldn't do that. We got our money. That's how he broke it. No, I'm not. Look, I wanna say this though. I wanna say this though. That's positive.  I'm with it.  Love and hip hop. A lot of people stage shit, make it look good for entertaining for the money.   Man, bro, I know a lot of niggas I heard in Dallas. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Yeah, they be wanting to see niggas. But it's Charleston, right? A smart nigga.  But I know for a fact, he a shock jock. And he looking for that shock.  That's right. My whole thing. No, that's all I said. That's it.  Hold on. Come on, man. How far are you willing to go for views, Cole? That's all I asked you. I didn't ask you about that. How far? How far are you willing to go? How far should a person go to get these views, man? I'ma say this. They authentic, man. Yeah, I'ma say, don't sell your soul, nigga. Don't sell your soul. Don't make it to the point where you can't go to the goddamn grocery store, nigga.  Don't make it to the point where you can't go to the store. Don't do an expense that it's gonna compromise your safety. There we go. You feel me? Or at the detriment of your family and what you got going on. Yeah. Because that's what you got to, you know what I mean? That's what you got to think about. I seen you do something. Yeah. I don't know if they planned it or what. What?  I'm like, didn't you just say something? Like it was something, he was in the studio, right? And he turned around, he went for the blizzard.   Oh no, that was playing the part on the video. He went for the content. That was good content. Good content, my nigga. But like, how far, like, how far like, are you willing to go? How far are you willing to go?  You feel me? Yeah, that's fun. That's fun. Somebody could have got hurt, AD. No, no, no. No. Don't react to the dog, the fake dog could have got hurt. You know what I'm saying?   Ain't nobody not untouchable. Right. Every dog has his day. Somebody can find you, something's gonna happen.  Cause they have some guys that was from our city and they were like being super disrespectful. They was dissing the dead. You know what I'm saying? They was going to different neighborhoods. They was dissing dead people from the neighborhoods and they was getting a lot of attention. Yeah. One of them ain't hearing no more.  I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, so it's like, and there was a lot of people that's trying to, that tried to follow behind that. And it's like, listen, it's gonna be a lot of dead niggas, bro. If y'all, if y'all moving like that.     So niggas are willing to go all the way out. You know, they sell they sold. I'm gonna say, look, Brad, look, Brad, it's, it's, you know, you see, like I said, you see a lot of niggas coming home from prison. You see a lot of niggas doing interviews now. People, like the internet is for the streets. You see what's going on at no jumper. You know what I mean? They got Adam 22, got all the gang bangers around the crit, the, what's the name of the brick babies? Well, he started that though. He was one of the first niggas on that. Well, we're gonna blame this nigga for it. Yeah, he was one of the first. And he didn't want to take that. I told that nigga to take that down and he was still. I said, look, I said, you don't think that you being over there was a sense of security. You was, you was really feeding the monster. Yeah. Let's be honest. Like you said. Yeah, he was one of the first niggas over there swinging and banging with niggas, fights, popping off. I said, this is interesting. But that's just, that was me just being authentic. It wasn't for no views. It wasn't. Yeah, I know. But now it could turn to something else. It can't. But I'm a, I'm a real like politician. Everybody know that about me.  So it's a difference when you a nigga who don't know everybody. If you don't got respect like that.  And in LA, bro, like, bro, everybody know where everybody's there. Everybody know somebody, know somebody like, you're not going to be able to run. You're not going to be able to hide. You feel me?   It really is. Okay. With the whole schism, I know with, with you and no jumper, y'all not, y'all not rocking no more. Ain't going to be no reunion or none of that stuff. I don't think you niggas ain't going to do no reunion. Yeah. All that reunion talk is not happening on either side. But just the fact of the guys who work over there now, like, does that put a wedge between you and those guys? There's some guys, Brick Baby, Wag One Hunter, Crip Mac. Well, you got a wedge. Who else? That's over there. Sharp. Sharp? Yeah, look at him. Is there a wedge there or do you guys, y'all see each other and it's cool or? You see, you see what Wag just did? He had your shirt on. And nephew, give me a T-shirt with your face on it. Wearing on there. Yeah. I'm going to show you love and stuff like that.  So that's a real nigger. Like, we don't, it's separate. We separate all of that. Cause at the end of the day, he out getting his money. He's doing this thing how he ought to provide for his family. I can't hate on that.  I don't even look at the nigger like he the enemy either. I don't care. Well, okay, so that brings up another point. I come to LA often. Frequent, I last time I was there, I reached out to you. I reached out to nobody else. It was a long while back. I reached out to you. I reached out to No Jump or Adam 22. This one y'all were breaking up too. I didn't realize that. It was in the mix. I didn't know though.  That's what in my mind. I'm thinking I'm for the interview. No, you smart. House phone, all of that. But there wasn't no, I didn't know nothing about the thing. You didn't know what was going on. I was just trying to interview some niggers. I'm like, I'm going out here. I'm going to interview these niggers and then we're going to figure out, you know, didn't happen. But if I was to interview Adam now, would AD still be cool with Boss Talk 100%? You see what I'm saying? See, look, that's the thing. That's what the maturity and the growth is as a person, bro. You a content creator. I'm a content creator, bro. We got to do what we got to do.  Yeah, I agree, bro. I agree.  Yeah.  You know what I'm saying? I'm not saying I'm kidding. No, no, no, no. That's what he's saying, bro. No, I'm not. That's what he's saying, bro. He had to be on the phone with the white boy. That's why I told him to interview. No. I don't think I'm interviewing you, nigga. That's why I told my uncle, the suicide is to stay over there. Yeah. It's opportunity for you. Stay over there. Do what you got to do.  He's still over there. No, I don't know. He left. Yeah, he had to look. He couldn't get away. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that. Yeah, yeah. Well, he didn't like the back and forth that we was doing. So he was like, he can't stay here. He can't stay here.  Well, the community, communities, they own separate entity doing their own thing. Did you, when you was questioned, when you seen the question about getting a million views, how did that make you feel? Just want to work harder. Make you hard. It motivates you. Yeah. That's what you got to think about it, bro. It's only been six months since we started our new channel. Yeah, man. You know what I mean? It's grown like crazy.  We starting from ground one. Yeah.   The MCs are gonna come in.  It's gonna come.    That's what it is. No, I believe in this nigga. I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say, but this nigga, this nigga finna take over.  I can read through this nigga fan.  It is. He was over there.  Nigga went off on his own and then it's like, nigga, stop right.  And I'm running with you, man. I'm not knocking. I'm not a racist. You did, I'm not. That's why I didn't want to really, I'm not a racist.   No.   You know I'm older, so it cut different. You know what I mean? You're from the South too. Yeah, yeah. I'm really from the South. But I'm gonna say it like this, man. I got a lot of white homeboys.  You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm saying. I ain't not a day, but I do know that there are boundaries that you can't cross when it comes to our people, man. Most definitely. And I can't disrespect what we've come a long ways, bro. But we still got a long way to go. Long way to go. You know what I'm saying? So I can't really play with that. And you can ask your dad about it. You can ask your cousins about it. Your old uncles about it. They're gonna tell you, man. And that's why it's important for us to work on ourselves every day. Yeah, yeah.  Most definitely. You know what I mean? I mean, are there people, who would you like to interview? Like who would you like to bring on the show?  It's a lot of blue in there. I'm gonna be sitting in the back. No, you coming. He'll just say no. You coming, you coming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, LA. Yeah, he don't go back to be smoking. No, we definitely, we definitely don't get to be smoking. I'm gonna be back to be smoking. That's what I'm doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my nigga. That's me. Just say no to the scum. I'm gonna be blowing. Honestly, bro, it's just a lot of dope. Like, it's not really artists. You know what I mean?  Like just to sit down with Joe Budden, just to sit down with academics. The people are in the field that I'm in, that was dope. And you know, Gilly, that's my guy. I was on tour with Gilly before. Oh yes, thank you. I wanna sit down with Gilly and Waldo for sure, for sure. I know that's gonna happen. Eventually, my guy, DC on Flaw, that's my guy right there. Wait a minute, academics. Haven't been over there? To where? He ain't been over there. No, yeah, but he coming up. He is. I'm going to New York next week to pop up on him too again. Okay, yeah. He's starting his team right now.  Really? So they launching the next week I'm going out there. He having a live show too. Really? That's hard. He got there. You gotta go to New York. Fuckin' everybody out there, bro.  Well, you know, I interviewed, I interviewed Ice-T at his house out there. That's fire. So we go to New York or what, nigga? What were you on? Yeah, we go to New York. I didn't fly through it too fast. I love New York to be honest. I just come back from Rhode Island yesterday. I've been out there, nigga. I've been out there.  You've been in New York. You've been in New York before?  And we went there, did a venue.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got a hotel, do the hotel, you really see what's going on.   Yeah, real time.  I need to. Because when you think about it, man, like there's the third coast, of course, South, East and West coast, you really got to make your rounds, bro. Yeah. So yeah, cause Carlos Miller, them be on here, y'all mentioned them a while ago. And to be honest with, they sure does great, man. Like them boys, them boys ain't playing. When I seen them get the Netflix special, man, I was super proud, man. Chico, just left here, I loved it, bro.  Just building that product and making it on a national level. What do you think when you see them down there doing what they doing? Like the 85 South. Oh, bro, that shit's amazing, bro.  They one of a kind. Can't nobody do what they do now. You know what I mean? In DC, man, I met him. I met him actually in Texas for a trade day. Really? Back in like, how you saying, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, man. That's big bro right there, man. Through the trade. I went to trade day in 2000, what was it, 17? For the first time, they had a camel in the park. Going down. I was like, yeah.  They're going to. No, I'm at DC on fly. I'm at DC on fly there. And then it was just cool, bro. He put me on his album. You know what I'm saying? Because he can rap too.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He can rap a song. And he's going to sing a little bit. He's going to sing a little bit. He's going to sing a little bit, too. He's going to sing a little bit, too. He's going to sing a little bit, too. Yeah, he's going to sing a little bit, too. He was nice, man. You can't get away from mode three. This, you can go back and listen to that right now. I ain't really much touching that. He was nice. You can go right now and listen to mode three and you're going to be like, damn. See, when niggas start reaching the West Coast, then it's like, all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But who's like, when you think about just the music right now, when it comes down to the West Coast? Cause you love the music. Like who's popping out there right now? Like when you... Oh, bro, it's a lot of eight shots of the homie, Mark Nasty. You know, he's on the team with us. Three, 10 baby. He got one of the hottest songs in the club right now. You got Blue Bucks. Shout out to Ralphie, the plug. Shout out to Ruchi.   Yeah. And do they come together? You know, we have an issue. No. You don't have to have issues too. Hey, every... See, and that's just us as Black people, bro. Especially in music. A lot of...   Similar, you know what I'm saying? Status of me. They're like, what you think about him? I'm showing love. They told me like, you the first person that showed love in his office. They dissonate friends.   And shit, everybody's moving to be stronger if it was together. I got a question, man. Yeah. I see you smiling. Look, the devil is smiling. What you want to say? Go ahead.  Oh, come on, man. Come on, man. Come on, man. I'm going to give you the weight class. We're going to keep it on weight. This is how you work your problems out. I'm being real. Everybody worked their problems out. This is the way it's supposed to go out. I work my problems out. Like, would you be willing to do it? With anybody. I mean, if it makes sense, because there's been a couple of people where they like see me going out on the internet and they didn't came with some offers.  Yeah. Wow.  You'd rather see that than to see anything else. So that's about all you could ever get. Yeah. Oh, what you mean by that, man? What you mean?  It ain't no street stuff. It ain't nothing like that. It ain't ever going to be no street stuff. So a little boxing, a little celebrity boxing, man. Remember, we're not standing citizens, man.  You got to drop down and wait, nigga. You can't go any bigger than this, nigga. You got to, this is a weight class. He got to drop weighted out. They got to be. People be looking at me on the internet that they think I'm way smaller than this. No, nigga. You got to drop down and wait. No, I'm sorry. My nigga, I didn't think you're saying just stop eating it. He's going to eat it. I'm not. I'm going down and wait, right? And each of them, I got to lose them down and wait. I can't say so. I know y'all seen, say cheese. Shout out to Sean Codden. Him and Saus would win, win at it. We got to talk about that. To jump in there like that, they had a good- Yeah, boots on, no. I'm like, watch out for the boots on. Bro, get them boots on. Yeah, man. This fight went down. He got that chili, though. I've probably got an interview with Sean Codden on that. And I don't know if I'm going to get it done. You ain't. I wanted to talk about it, because if you were one, we had talked before that. I was like, man, I'm going to get this interview. We going to talk about the win and it didn't come back like this. Bro, I'm disappointed, fam. I'm not going to lie to you.  I put some money on showtime, man. Hey, put up, man! Get the table! Hey, get the table! Get the table! Bro, wait, get the table! He was waiting to say something, man. He was waiting to see from the back, he was waiting to say something. You didn't want to hear from him. Let me see, go! Money Moses that pulled up ain't playing. He was waiting to showtime. He came and sat in the kitchen. He said, if he would have won. If he would have won. Talk to me, man. No, I mean, like, so you seen the fight. Money mo's done pulled up.  Listen, man. Listen, man. These are not the thoughts of our viewers. You know how the commercials come out. Yeah, I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. You want to see Suiji? When P.M.C. was on there he said. Always blaming on the brother. You all know what Bungby is doing. That's him. I don't know how to say. I don't want to see. I'm standing here. I don't want listen. Don't you get on to laying here on the board, man. Then we gonna do that. Let's go, man. We think, no. I know if every day get busy. No. What are you doing? No, I'm not doing it. That's the way you don't do it.  You see him when you're monetized. That's all the noise we don't put in every show. I see, I see. Because we know this nigga. I don't even want to boss him any way. What? I been with the boss man. I'm not gonna ask you about it. I want your brother. Who you on the box? Remember the nigga making a man on his show? Who? Who you talking about? We're not doing this, nigga. Who's on the show? No, nigga, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You man say it, nigga.  No, I didn't let it go, man. I didn't. I ain't gonna go, man. I didn't. I ain't gave it. I know it ain't KingFam. I know it ain't on Atlanta. No, we not doingdest cold. That's what I meant. That's what I meant. I want a friend of boss man. I want a friend of boss man. I got you a nigga. Yo, I'm a t-shirt. I'm dropping a low-team phone, man. Don't worry if I got you a nigga. I'm gonna get you out of here, bruh. No, I'm not gonna do that. You better talk right. So, we want to talk about what, you remember when the thing went on with AD, you didn't get to talk to him about it yet, but like, you know, we, AD showed up during the rough time. We were trying to get them views up, right? I understand it. No. He still said Black Park had them. Yeah. But it makes sense now though. Yeah. But he showed us love during that time. I gotta say that I still say the mother-nigger would not try to let us make it. House phone, House phone might end up back on no jumper, man, because he, he really, man, I'm serious. He didn't really shoot for him. He didn't shoot for him. No, he ain't going to do that. He was shooting for him. He'd be like, he could come back. I could hear it at that Boo-Lead camera. Yeah, he's, he's, he's fattening it going back. He fattening it going home. No. I don't think, I don't know if he will. He just had a pop-up yesterday, man. He doing good with the shoes, yeah. What, are you doing the shoes? Jody Rose, yeah, he doing his thing. Wow. So, you think he'd be willing to give me a boss talk on one on one interview? For sure. I definitely would like to do one. Bro, he a good guy, bro. He not a confrontational at all. So, he, you know what I'm saying? I can tell, I can tell he was a good one. No. You was the one I was watching. I'm the one that was here. You could not tell when he was at him, bro. Nah, he wasn't doing nothing. He, he just was just shooting the sun.  Like, like this nigga's smart. Yeah. Like that guy. I'm glad you clarified it. Yeah.  No, but that's what you said. That nigga. No, the nerds is the new cool niggas. Yeah, I'll treat them. Them new ones getting the money. Mom is not so certain to agree. All them niggas do it.  Do you know the social media? Yeah. You a nerd, nigga. I'm a nerd. That's what I'm saying. I'm a nerd.  I'm a nerd. What am I saying? I'm a nerd. I ain't a nerd. That's cool now, nigga. No, no. I want to be one, though. I need to get stabbed, Robert. He's never going to agree. I thought I got, dude. I want to get stabbed, bro. Nobody's going to say it. I was just talking to myself. Monnie Mos never agree with nothing no one's saying. But you need somebody new. That's why he asked. What reason?  They ain't going to make a decision. He is not going to listen. This is a wild car right here. Hey, Mos! Put them all in the rain. They're going to say something. When you want to say something that you can't say.  I'm saying! I'm saying! Oh, God hit him. I can't say that to you. You never get someone to do it. I like that there ain't no one live saying nothing about it. Nah, I won't let it. You shouldn't have that. I'll let him Monetize Yellow-dollars Yeah, what they do I don't nobody actually knows but they Took took them out the partnership program, so they can't get paid for YouTube at all And it was the top 10 most super chats in the United States when they came down to YouTube What the hell did they do though? What do they say 40 50,000 in super chats a month type shit? And they cut that water bro. So you got to watch to a certain degree They can't come back.  They're just always a great cloud You don't know how to get through you can't call nobody on YouTube You can't you be trying to figure out To say hey, man, I'm okay. You don't never get to talk to nobody They say go to Twitter. They said you go to Twitter I heard from nobody You too, yeah, I mean I got a rep now. Yeah, now So how important how did you learn to maneuver around is it how did you learn to get that rip? How did you learn how to deal with these social media platforms, bro? Just you can see you see by example They can niggas getting xed out every single day for having an opinion. Yeah, it may be an opinion that's Radical, you know, I'm saying it may sound crazy, but like it ain't no freedom of speech when it comes down to this Yeah, we got so it's not We are private platforms. That's the people don't don't understand.  This is my platform nigga.  Have you do you feel like that? Have you ever felt like okay?  Yeah, what is that? So basically like that's like if you if you react to my content I can sit there and give you a strike if I want to you get what I'm saying people do shit like that Like if I say something about your content and I don't know if you like use my content on your platform reaction video But I can't yeah, but but I don't know the whole video up in my video got to be up there with it, right? It's a nah. It's a weird thing like you own okay, so basically I didn't do this every day, bro So you could do this you could do this right? Let's say right now.   So it's a dirty game So let's just say right now use five or six of my pieces.   Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.  They want to get you out of here. Oh, yeah. Wow.  No over in there. Yeah. Yeah, they'd be there It's different.   So it's all love even my barber came to my episode last week And he was like man, they was talking bad about me. They was going crazy I said nigga watch in the morning. You're gonna feel different about it. He called me on to the plane today He was a hey I want to come back next week. Yeah, because he looked back and seen like I'm like, bro That's what they do.   They want to hear you I mean, but then the day now with the with the subscribers and the people in chat It's all love Talk crazy anything I'm not gonna send them back to you bro.  You see him in 3d.   No, he's not Can I get a picture?  No, I'm gonna say them to you You gotta check that temperature though. You got you.  They're like, I'm good. I'm good. How you gotta do nothing else? I know because if it's cracking, you're gonna get cracking right there.  I'm checking y'all out man. I'm pulling up in LA I'm coming to see you. Yeah, you got a gun, bro. I got to like I said I usually been I made that trip, but I had so much going on. I couldn't get the l.a I Listen That one is cool though. No. Yeah.  Go put something else on, bro. You are blazing blue. You ain't even The colors ain't really the problem. It's the hats.  He jumped out like nigga. What's up? I'm like They been my deal So like me Everybody trying to get the meal my first time down now, so I didn't know what I was What did you think of the city when you went down? Man, it's it's it was no life me chilling.  You gotta have a good time anywhere, man I had a good time though.  You know what I'm saying and see the people I gotta ask you I quit I What about see checking in or something else? Ain't nothing wrong with checking in I tell niggas that all the time But I see certain niggas like I know it was was Rizzo He got robbed out there. I think for his necklace. That was Chicago. Was he in Chicago?  I think we're right. If I'm correct Rizzo I There's nothing wrong with checking that's like that's like look, I come with Dallas for the first time Yeah, I don't know nobody you feel me I do know people but I'm saying if I don't know somebody right if I don't know nobody and I want to go to the club I want to go me all the spots. I want to go do this. I want to go do that nigga I'd love to be like, hey, hey, what's up, bro? What's going on? Look, I got you. You're gonna hang on my people That's what I'm saying when y'all come to LA. Hey, all right. Cool. I'm gonna have my homie Even if I'm not there, I'm gonna have some people with you So make sure you good and you can go around. Ain't nothing wrong with that. That's smart. That's where I go I gotta squad somewhere. I call people. Hey Shout to my god ball too, man I've been doing ball alone. Okay, bro, but I'm telling you I called Even a day like I was like, what are these niggas at man? I called a couple of DJs I say, what are these niggas performing? I don't see nothing. Why no damn body performing that.    Yeah, bro. We got a lot of homies from Dallas.  You feel it in that long one I'm like, I don't want that when I come out here, man I won't be real, man. I appreciate you coming on the show How can people lock in which I gotta say that that's one of the things we say on here like how can they get a hold of you? Yeah, man, everything. All right TSA D man follow the pages community back on fig ace boys ladies night Apollo dunos world man fig muni world. We are here, man.  They're in the city. You got You're new dude. You and whiz got any music together a lot of music. That's my bro right there I was gonna ask you about it because I was doing them a research Music What we Man bro, you know just Cushion orange juice is probably one of my favorite mixtapes and shit like that ever bro And this is why I tell a lot of artists as well too, bro Like you got a network because you never know who's watching you Okay, and I remember the first time I randomly went to the bowling alley Whiz was there. I introduced myself.   You feel me whenever I need him You know I'm saying he look out for me whenever he called me. I'm near. That's that's my near Wow, man. Amen. I can't wait to see you hit that meal ticket. You know what I'm saying? We're gonna do it a couple of times. We go. Oh, we hitting that meal ticket Maybe We're gonna ring the bell for show But man even that I don't want a million. I want a billion views. Come on, man. So what's up, man? Did we get everything?  I mean it looked like it. I mean money Moses pulled up. But he died. Damn.