Okay, I think I'm live here. I hope I'm live YouTube has been giving me problems all day long All right, so for those of you who are watching that are in the chat if you could give me a Yay or nay on the audio. I'd be appreciative of that I uh Got a silence my phone Because I didn't do that first. I'm Woefully unprepared for this stream by the way Excellent getting some. Yay is excellent. Cool Hello to everybody who's joining. I appreciate you you hop on in and Watching what appears to be a Nonsense because this is what's gonna be tonight.  I'm gonna hit the randomizer button and whatever distros come in we're gonna install it but uh I don't know how well that's gonna go I only have a few rules one. It can't be a server installation. So it can't It can't be a server distro. That'd be pretty boring Or at least can't be only for servers Also, it can't be like a mainstream distro if it's like if a boon 2 pops up. I'm not gonna install that That'd be boring Because I've installed boon 2 many many times so That's what we're gonna do today. I should at least prepare by getting vert manager open We will have to mix do a little bit of Chatting while we wait for things to download because I have not downloaded anything yet. So For those of you who are asking what I'm downloading. I don't know yet Uh, like I said, I'm gonna hit the randomizer button and completely random I don't know Other than the fact that I got a gigantic piece of something all over my glasses, which I'm not sure That's even possible My glasses get dirtier in the click case than they do on my face, which is Not only rhymes, but also happens to be true still Jesus How do you see out of those things? That's better Good lord. All right. So I think what we're gonna do is actually Choose the first distro. So I'm gonna change inputs here And I'm gonna hit this random button right here So the first one how bowdy have looked at this one before but that's okay. We'll do it. We'll do it anyways it's uh We're gonna go by the rules. It's not popular and it's not a server distro and it's not mainstream. So we're gonna find the homepage here And the download link Which is right here I believe well, there's download. Let's see. So they have the standard release Hardware enablement release and the at pack release That's gonna have a whole that's quite a bit bigger. Yeah, I'm gonna not do that. We're gonna go do the small one It will download this And uh, that's the proper folder hit save And we'll wait for that to download that shouldn't it shouldn't take too long So bowdy, I believe let's go ahead and learn a little bit about bowdy We'll zoom in here so we can actually read this bowdy is an elegant and lightweight debby and ubuntu based distribution I'm curious about that because it can't be based on both Well, I mean, I suppose it could be because it could use both the debby and and the ubuntu repos. I guess I don't know. Um, I don't really remember when I looked at this before What it was like to be honest with you I remember that it uses this desktop environment, which is based on enlightenment I remember the gigantic buttons. That's about all I remember so Let's see. Anyways, the the product takes a decidedly minimalist approach by offering modularity high levels of customization in choice of themes bowdy releases Come in several editions including standard 64 bit legacy 32 bit which are minimalist only including a web browser terminal file manager text editor and photo gooey applications All the app pack educate edition Includes more applications and tools pre-installed additional software can be added with bowdy's web based app center synaptic and apt Is I wonder if bowdy's the one that had that really weird like web based app center I don't really remember what we're going to find out. So let's see if uh That was done. No not done yet Still says 58 seconds left. Definitely started out faster than It was seems to be going now But that's okay. Hi that guy Jamal. How you doing? Hammerking Welcome I'm gonna try to keep paying attention to the chat, but we'll see how it goes I'm assuming the reason why it's slow downloading is because of the Stuff going on So when was the last release of bowdy the last update was February this year Okay. All right. Let's see. Let's go back to the what website here I'm trying to it looks like it's yeah, it finally finally downloaded Good Let's see. Let's go ahead and I don't think I really need to know anymore. Let's go ahead and Install this thing. So I need a new vm here and it says it's based on debbie and so we're gonna Create a debbie in vm. We'll go forward Select the media isos and this is uh I don't have to refresh this. There we go right there Use volume and then Let's see. I don't think No, okay, so debbie in Man, I'm going to assume it's gonna be debbie and 11 So we're gonna go ahead and hit forward And we'll give it 2048 oops those now what I meant to type And two is fine and go ahead forward and that's fine hit forward again call this bowdy And then we're gonna go ahead and hit finish and hit yes Is this to call your urge to distro hop? No, I actually I didn't distro hop. I ended up installing Uh Keenowite, I think so you pronounce it on my other hard drive is what I ended up doing That way I didn't you know Wipe away my arca which works really well like there's no there's no reason for me to hop at all I just wanted to The download is Ubuntu base. Uh, they ship a debbie in addition There's you bit. So I probably should look that up, but that's okay Yeah, that's a that's definitely Ubuntu stuff that's going on right now on the screen. Oh, let's see here Adore has an i3 Edition, you know, I tried the i3 edition one time and could not figure out how to install the damn thing But that was when it was first released and then they have any documentation for it What is the bar that bars? I'm assuming you mean This bar up here This bar here, that's poly bar All of my configs can be found in the video description By the way, if you're interested And this is I the post OS is running i3 window manager i3 gaps Yep, I'm on i3 yep i3 gaps like I said I have been out for a while. I switched back to dwm for a little while and uh I didn't stick around okay, so english is fine hit next The uh keyboard that is fine And let's see okay, so it brings us to a live environment Animated wallpaper which is cool Uh, let's see here.  So this is the ubiquity installer And it runs a fork of the enlightenment Desktop environment. So we're going to go ahead and hit continue And hit continue again And we don't we'll do this one here, but we won't do this one here Hit continue again And then we will Wait for this to pop up Have I tried awesome? I did try awesome Probably about two years ago now It was close to uh, it wouldn't have been quite two years ago But yeah, I've tried it before I'm not a big fan of lua like at all Like at all All right, so additional features. It does have a zfs options here and you can encrypt I don't actually need to do that, but you can And go ahead and install now and continue This again, and that's that's a fine time zone And we'll enter some credentials here. So And a very complicated password It continue and it should go ahead and be installing now. Yep All right Have I tried qtile? Yeah, I've tried I lived in qtile for a couple months. Maybe even longer than that It's fine. I like python way better than I like lua I just like i3 because it gives me a lot of options for workspaces and scratch pads and stuff that I'm at least familiar with. I know you can do that stuff in qtile, but it's easier in i3 oh This should be interesting. Like I said, I looked at I made a video about bodi linux about probably 14 15 months ago so this is not my first time but Xmonet is the best Xmonet is not the best Xmonet is in fact the worst Not but I don't like Xmonet because I don't like haskel and haskel does not like me. It's a mutual uh hatred What are scratch pads? I have videos on scratch pads. You should look that up But basically I can actually show you what a scratch pad looks like So let's just say i'm here in my window manager and I want another terminal on top of these I press the key binding that's a scratch pad. I also have Uh pulse mixer there. I have Uh ncmcpp or whatever the hell it's called and I have ranger right there. Those are all scratch pads I can do my work on top of this send it away. So let's just say I go into Come back here Go to media and then pictures and then walls And let's see here other walls and it just doesn't really matter one of these I'm like right here and I send that away When I go back it's still there. So it's still running in the background. It's just kind of hidden. That's a scratch pad so I love them because I like especially like my music player that have that running all the time and this way doesn't take up workspace And just having like a regular Terminal that's just always there that can appear on any workspace for me to do random commands Like if I need to cat out something or if I need to put, you know, push a get Request or whatever I can do that right from there without having to open up another terminal or go to another workspace so That's a that's a scratch pad What are some of the languages you do like so I like python I like bash I like see a lot and I gotta remember I'm not a I'm not a programmer like at all So when I say I like them, I mean I can Do things and then you know at least understand what has been done languages for me are kind of like actual like languages like I can The only other language that I really speak I can speak is Spanish, but I can't really speak it. I'm more like I can read it It's kind of the same with computer languages. I can read them. I'm not so good at actually doing stuff in them, but I see is probably the one that I'm most familiar with and that's because of dwm Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and restart now What's my most favorite distribution and what Why is it new? Why is it new geeks? You're funny Peter Nice, uh, you're asking what a best a good VM tool. This is the one I'm using right now. It's called vert manager It runs on kappa kvm and q emu So Yeah, I like it. It's fine Um, but virtual boxes is fine, too People do pretty good You thought my favorite language would be emacs lisp. Nope I'm you know, honestly I'm probably more likely to like Haskell than emacs lisp and also Hello dt. How you doing bud? Your video today was fascinating. I had never come across that guy before To be honest granted. I don't do a lot of searches on on youtube Most of my watching on youtube is just the people that I subscribe to so i'm kind of insulated in that so Okay, so the first thing we're going to do is see if we whoa. Hello um Cool background bro So we're going to try extra rander dash I can't remember I'm just gonna complete blank 1920 by 1080 I don't know why I wanted to do x there That's better. Yeah, there we go What was I thinking that was what is dash x? Why did I think of that was dash x? I don't know Um, anyways, so let's see if nilfetch is installed. That's the first thing you have to do I mean it's kind of the law um And so long since I've looked at an enlightenment based thing that I don't remember anything here So let's go ahead and do sudo apt update and in sudo apt Up grade Just so I can Wow, that's a lot We'll do it anyways While we're waiting for that we can see what's installed so we have an application menu here Um, you can't throw shade at mr. Fandipa When me I saw the title of that video I was like, wow, somebody has a lot of time on their hands But then I realized that somebody they had to be automated. So Let's see we have leaf pad Some preferences graphics Eep efo. What the what is that? I've never heard of that before It's for cameras. Okay and Never seen that installed on any other distribution before Uh, let's see your internet. We have chromium based. We have chromium as the web browser pulse audio of volume control. So that's probably control We have the app center Which is the web based app center. Yeah, I remember that Uh, I think I complained about it Uh, but it works, right? If you wanted this install, you just hit the install button and it will Probably open up a terminal or something, right? Oh, that is wrong The default action is keep your current version. So sure I've never had a conflict come up with that with that before like that before that was weird Um, yeah the update stopped because I needed a user interaction Um You know what I didn't see like what first of all, why is that why is the bar Get hidden by stuff. I don't care for that Behavior all that much To places quick launch or screenshot about the operating system and settings We'll take a look at settings here in a second, but I didn't see The system tools that's probably where where it is. So we got synaptic package manager Terminology is the the terminal that we're apparently using It's weird that they you Is terminology is a little bit weird as a as a terminal to be used I mean it's a good terminal, but it just seems a little I don't know bulky For for this like you'd think that they'd use something like E the X X FCE terminal or something like that Of course, I can't really tell you that that terminal I use any more hefty than the X FCE terminal In terms of like weight And then ours the file manager Which is a good choice because it's probably about the the lowest in terms of like resources You wouldn't want to include Nautilus or something Plus I'm having a feeling that most of this stuff is probably g2k2 based I'm guessing And I don't You wouldn't want to include a lot of g2k3 stuff It asked me for another one. Why does it do that? Never seen app do that before I've just apped for years I'll pay attention to the update now. So it doesn't keep standing there Really only reason I updated because I wanted to install neofetch. I just figured I would do it You are now connected to wired internet. I'd hope so I should have been connected earlier. I mean, how would you do in the update if I wasn't connected already? Weird Getting text messages. There we go I like this font quite a bit though. This is this font. It's really cool Criminology has always been the alignment. Well, I did not actually know that Wow, what am I thinking? I'm thinking of something different then What is the other one that is? There's another one that comes with like Panels and splits like a terminal multiplexer.  It's a similar name Terminator, maybe it's term. I don't know There's one. It doesn't matter Although that name is going to bother me. Okay, so we don't get a fancy Ascii art that's appropriate for Bode, which is a little bit disappointing. I always like to see them do their own I'm sure they have probably better things to do. So let's see. We're running Colonel 5.4, which is Wow, that's quite old So this must not be This must be based on 2004 I think that'd be the 20 for 2004 kernel. We might have actually just installed a new kernel Already with the update. We want to take in place until we reboot I didn't actually pay attention to what was installed. I'm not scrolling all the way back up. Screw that This is only listening to this listing the gtk3 theme Not the Probably the gtk2 theme, which is what they'd be using Then that it'd be only for other things So this is the enlightenment desktop environment with the window manager of maksha. I'm sure you're mispronouncing that I was wondering This is the terminus 18 bold. I like this font Quite a lot actually I'm gonna I'm gonna make a note of that get out of this Okay What did I say it was terminus? 18 bold I like that file. I'm gonna steal it. That's really cool. All right So we can get out of that Let's go ahead and mess around with the themes because that's what I wanted to see next because I I remember the themes I think I remember the theme. So let's go to the settings panel Here application themes I actually kind of remember more than that. Maybe I'm misremembering the distros things get so mixed up when you do so many distros Those are gonna be the same things that they're always there It doesn't Really do a lot of did a live update chromium Well, at least I did the first time But that's where we're probably not changing the right theme Okay, let's see here because it says Maksha theme here too. Where's that match? by Okay hmm That's yours borders transition scaling startup themes colors that's a little similar to what katie you still look like apps Let's see your screen Where's the shelves? What is that? Figured shelves add hmm contents Shelf contents I have no clue what that is but Sounds cool Everything's starter clipboard. So I mean is this is this down here a shelf? All right, I'm getting mentions It was probably right in front of me wasn't there wasn't there peter. I have a tendency to not read things Is the current kernel meant 2003 I mean it's meant in a while either Um, let's see here. I still don't know what really that shelf thing is I must I mean it lists the things that are in like the bar because those things are I think You got the clipboard the clock which I actually don't wait a minute. I bet you Because the clock is actually up there. I'm I don't know what shelf says. I don't know Close that Uh, let me get out of that. I guess I don't know Down here settings theme wallpaper modules Let's turn something on Home for your iconified applications load I didn't see that come up As it came up somewhere. I'm not looking All right, I don't know Those are like widgets. I think That's the case Then that I wonder if it's for like different Workspaces Like you could have different widgets for workspace or something I don't know I'm sure it explains somewhere in documentation like is there wait. Let's see if there's About theme restart Like it was That's probably keep on you do that Uh about theme about about help Okay, let's see Monksha basic basics I'm in here Virtual desktops allow you group applications of a certain type on one desktop And those of a different type on another you have initially four virtual desktops, but you can change this number the pager Gadget so these things are called gadgets On the shelf on the shelf. They call the desktop a shelf Okay So the the desktop thing is a shelf the entire desktop is the menu. I click on any empty space Bring it up the menu, which it does and not just It's just a right click Brings up the same thing there. Okay We'll help them bring up the main menu where you can launch applications They're just setting shut down the system and so on this is a standard on a fresh body installation most consider it very convenient Uh For the few that do not The mouse binding show me menu can easily be removed configured and blah blah blah Right clicking in an empty space on the desktop will bring up the favorites menu Since there is no favorite applications on a fresh body installation The favorites menu will not show on right click, which actually isn't true because it does show Many gadgets show system information gadgets perform a wide variety of functions So basically that's to explain what widgets are modules Control gadget available a gadget will be available only if its module is loaded, but simply a gadget Is an instance of a module To load unload modules go to main menu settings modules Body comes with a wide selection of modules installed by default and more can be installed At your discretion through the body app center and synaptic package manager shelves here we go Maksha provides shelves to house your gadgets and launchers a convenient alternative to having them on the desktop Most gadgets can be added to shelves shelves can be located anywhere on a border of your desktop And you can have more than one shelf on a desktop As well as different shelves on different virtual desktops managing the number of shelves as Well as their location size and other attributes is done under main menu settings shelves To manage the content of a shelf right click on the shelf and choose shelf contents contents Okay. Well, I'm more confused now than I was before actually um Be honest with you When I thought it was just the desktop I was you know thing but it says shelves can be located anywhere on a border of your desktop So in other words I'm not sure what that means What does it mean by a border? Okay, like does it mean it has to go around the border? It can't go in the center And I don't know. That's a little Little confusing definitely not something that I would say was user user friendly Want to get a window?  It's perfectly understandable. I'm just like You know what I mean You put an elf on the shelf That's funny, okay when it shows a shelf it's actually showing The like the menu or the the panel, okay The shelf is what they call Well, we at everyone else in the world calls a panel That this they're here. That's the shelf Okay, and it can go around the borders of your desktop because Of course, that's where panels goes around the border of your desktop You wouldn't have them pretty much. I mean you could have technically have a panel in the middle of your screen But I mean most people wouldn't do that Okay, now that I'm Different terminology, I guess Okay That was weird Let's see. What else we got here? What else can we mess around with because there's apparently some muxia themes here somewhere I just don't know where Launcher settings extensions extensions. Well, that's gonna be all that stuff. Okay cool all right reference this system system this module shells keybinding theme, but it says mode presentation settings panel, which we were actually already on Hmm application theme theme Uh, here we go theme selector local directory Theme so there's really that only that one thing I said, I don't remember there being more themes than that. Maybe that was a different distro My brain is not working tonight. Oh Wow Told you at the beginning this was gonna be nonsense Uh, let's see here Apparently that's literally the only theme that comes with that. It's called a muxia theme I'm no clue if I'm pronouncing that right probably not I will say that the default one is nice enough Like this is basically the arc dark theme arc darker theme problem. Probably arc dark. I can't remember which one's which but that's basically that color scheme and then has a um green border Although I may have changed that did I change that I think it changed I did earlier didn't I I did That's the muxia arc dark. It says arc green thing. Yeah But uh, what is uh Rocks why that why It basically just makes it look like exactly the same. So I don't know what any of these things look like Let's change just something different and then restart it. So we'll change this And then here to set it to right there That looks exactly the same Weird I must be doing something wrong Oh, we didn't look at the resources. I got a ton of stuff open. Let's just look at the resources right now. Anyways, so we'll do With with stuff open It's using 463 Megs of ram and that's with chromium open by the way to chromium is right there still open Now I don't these are isn't it doesn't have any well It does have a website open. It has the body website open. This one here is local But still that's pretty damn good For with stuff open the closed stuff up. It's not gonna be still 100% accurate because something might actually stay in Memory but we'll do it again and 248 so that's pretty good. It's not the best, but it's definitely Right there with them You can see the v2 and v3 besides the theme names. That's the gtk version that it worked with Okay, that's probably the reason why the v2 ones then wouldn't work with Chromium that makes sense You want to leave? I don't let my dog out Bye She always does that midway through a video every time You can't stay here. That's all right. Anyway, so let's uh Anything else you guys want to know about body before we move on to the next one I will uh I'm waiting For answers to that. I will get a drink With my gigantic water bottle going once Up to the next one. All right In terms of looks it's not for me, but it's not bad. Like I've seen worse in terms like looks it's just It's fine I thought that it came with more themes and maybe it does and I'm just not seeing because it says Oh, wow, that's worse. That's definitely worse Okay, this one's definitely better. Okay, those are the two themes that I had but Yeah, I don't It's okay.  We'll move to the next one power off Goodbye We'll close that and we'll go back to We can close both of those things and we'll go back to random distribution. What's next Cislinix os another debium based distribution. Oh goodness gracious Uh debium based distributions. There weren't whether there are dozens of them millions of them. It feels like so This is a origin base of italy runs with the mate desktop The last update here on district or watch was april 19th, so still being maintained So Cislinix os is a debium based gnu slash linux live distribution designed for system administrators and system integrators It offers a complete networking environment that is organized to integrate various software tools and has a friendly graphical interface using the mate desktop Cislinix os Was built to work right out of the box with all networking tools and already enabled installed by default Includes all major virtual private networks several remote control clients Various browsers as well as wine wire shark ether rape Interesting name header cap Packf I don't know any of those things are I'm not in that working administrator like not even a little bit Do alpine linux? I I'm not taking requests. I'm doing random If I was taking requests, I would try alpine linux, but Not taking not taking requests Anyways, we're gonna go ahead and give this a try even though I have a feeling I'm gonna be Bored out of my mind because I'm no clue what any of these things are actually for We're going to the website Maybe while that was really slow. I wonder how slow the download is gonna be Oh, they have a gnome version as well. We're gonna stay away from that Okay, so we're gonna go ahead and hit Download and save we'll see how Oh 4.3 gigabytes. That's a lot of download That's a lot of download 20 minutes left. Yeah I think not I bet your torrent would probably go faster, but I think not we'll just Not do that 4.3 gigabytes. Whoo Okay This Linux OS is solid I would love to try it, but I'm not gonna sit here for an hour and wait for the download Now if I chosen these off-camera like before we started And didn't have to download them It wouldn't have been a big deal But the reason why it's going so slow is because I'm also streaming and it's taking up my all my bandwidth So we're gonna try again. Oh, hopefully with a PLD Linux distribution That's using is that that's either going to be exactly kd3 Or it's going to be the trinity desktop or whatever it's called PLD distributed Linux distribution is a free rpm based Linux distribution. So something similar to fedora Aimed at the more advanced users and administrators who accept the trade-offs of using a system that might require manual tweaking in exchange for flexibility Simultaneous support of a wide variety of architectures and non-conservative approach to rpm usage provide the users With a consistent environment on all available architectures. So it includes black box flux box gnom ice window manager, which I suppose technically that couldn't Now that shows a kde icon there and that's a kde menu a kde WM maker W maker, I guess xfc That has so either they're using an old version of kde or that's an old screenshot It's based on independent. So it's gonna be interesting PLD is dead Well, not according to distro watch my friend the last update here. I mean it's possible Yeah, the last release was in 2008 2008. Why why would they upgrade update the Page on well, no It says here that the last update was in February Color me confused because it says the last update here was in 2008 For release announcement Um Okay, well, I'm gonna go ahead and bypass that one too because that's probably the reason why it looks really old I'm gonna trust the screenshot Try again Okay, I don't think first of all Uh Distro watch I mean, I'm assuming probably that they're talking about The old version of steam os then So this is not gonna be like the third the 3.0 version, which is based on arch This one's not gonna be maintained anymore last last release of this 2015 Rem randomizer button is not Is not doing very well for us today. Again, this says the 2019 here for a release Okay, but still that was three years ago Okay, I think it's still getting 79 hits in the last 12 months If that's the number hits per day 156 still I wonder why they have I mean technically 3.0 is would technically be out. They need to maintain their stuff You you you I don't speak Italian No zero. I'm just gonna call it zero I see this is based on debian grade based on debian dev1 mint and pc linux os I'm assuming they have different versions of probably so the is a linux distribution based on Zabuntu lts long-term support release it features a customized xfc environment together With many powerful productivity suites such as livery office livery cad several cloud con this thing is going to be a huge mungus I So I have a geek almost guarantee it Wow, okay. Well, when was the let's uh the last update for this 2006 there it says to 2022 4.0. Okay All right But we're gonna give it a try. We'll see how long it takes to download Just speak like mario and read it. It's simple Ah tfl is here. Hi tfl. How you doing bud? We're gonna oh, this is it's actually in italian. Oh Well one journal That's there's all my italian. Well, I mean not really because you know a lot of italian words pizza Spaghetti, you know stuff like that. You can tell you can tell the only words that matter to me in the language Okay, well there the menus not all talk about english and Weird choose a language any language Uh Versiony, okay, so we're gonna get the version and then torrent iso See how long this is gonna take to download. I wonder if it's gonna take a bit, but we're gonna let it go Um, hopefully wasn't won't go up to an hour Yeah, I didn't see that but it's okay That was payback tfl for you talking about pizza the other day and discord And and I had pizza for dinner tonight It was good It was definitely good pizza's always good Why as long as you don't mess it up Watch some of the stuff the pizzas they make on the food channel. They always put like salad on it like Salad doesn't go on my pizza I don't mind a salad to go with the pizza just not on top of it How are we doing? Not too bad. We can wait that long Definitely did better than that last one Which is weird because it both came from source forks, so you'd think that the speed would be similar Yeah, I'm hoping for one of the real esoteric distros without installers to appear or slack ware Now if you want to see me install slack ware, you can go back to like two or three streams ago I did that on camera That won't be that rare My luck gentoo would appear which would be absolutely utterly hilarious We're gonna do this one and then we'll do one more And then we'll take a look at the time because it's already close to nine o'clock We're almost already been going for an hour I like vegetables too. I just and I even like vegetables on pizza. I just don't like salad on pizza.  We're gonna browse isos. They could probably have to update this use EL Urbino, okay, so I'm gonna choose that volume. We're gonna type in debbie in I'm gonna I mean, I'm just making assumptions here. This debbie and 11 it should work fine forward We're gonna give it four this time and To give goods random just random numbers There we go. Why not forward? I'm wondering if we should get it more ram because I don't know anything about this 4096 Do better that way forward That's fine. I don't know. I've already forgotten what the name of this destroyer You're just gonna copy and paste it because I still don't know how to say it Well, I'm assuming there's probably an italian speaker in the Chat it was like who it's pronounced like this and I'm like Still can't pronounce.  So Kaka Yeah, sorry Oops. Oh, it's cuz can't have a space in it. That's right man. Don't mess There we go finish Here we go. Oh, this that is definitely a linux mint grub starter Okay, it says it was based on a zebuntu though, didn't it? How do they remember reading that that was based on zebuntu? Of course the one thing you can't trust you can absolutely not trust The destroyer watch page for these things because they're a they're never updated.  That's why it should be open source The they should look the maintainers and the community maintain those pages not just like one dude I hear music. I didn't have my headphones on but I heard it That's cool wallpaper and that's xfce So i'm guessing that that was not the linux mint grub but instead That is it That that's xfc, but that's definitely a menu that i've never seen before Or at least maybe that's the one that it's not because it's not the the Was the busker the busker or the what the hell they call the one in xfc Names are definitely not my Forte tonight. Okay, we're gonna go ahead and install this thing Your news is it defaults at least appears to default the english um welcome to the Ufficio zero this program will ask you some questions and set up On your computer.  Why what for like random america toronto i I suppose Who somebody on youtube did a Was it i think it was the history guy he did a video on continents right and Here in the united states we consider this north america and the south america, but pretty much in everywhere else in the world This is just america They don't do north and south. So when you see america toronto, i'm like I suppose technically canada is america, but i'm a snobbish guy. This is just america. Okay, we're america canada can be somewhere else We don't want to be associated with those nice people Anyways, that's fine move on to that. Um This this is a fork or something because this is It's just laid out weird They did it because they can't i mean i suppose It feels like it's like a mixture of like The i was gonna say the mixture of calmar is in the ubiquity launcher, but it's not really it's more ubiquity than other But it's it's not that either. It's it's weird Ufz vm Enter a very strong password there and hit next Encrypt the home folder that which is nice It's it the order of this is just fascinating to me is normally the so normally you choose your Or Your in language and then your keyboard and then you do the partitions and then you change like your time zone And you make make a user. We've already done the user the time zone. I have this In the language, maybe I didn't even see the language. I don't even remember Now we're going to the partitions. It's a weird layout We're just gonna go ahead and do the automated one But it's gonna ask you for the disc in which you have to select So even if you only have one you still have to select it. Okay. And next This was a lethal data. Yes Installation tool as super user no partition table was found on the hard drive Do you want to install it to create a set of partitions for you note? This will erase all data. So yes Install grub on that that's fine and next All right, so that takes us to a summary that's this is a custom installer. What this is weird Why would you do such a thing? Um And then it takes you to the that's definitely the part of the ubiquity installer right there. That's definitely part of that Okay Weird Yeah, that's a great logo. Um true universal healthcare does not belong in america. Damn straight y'all Uh Any videos on the internet that can help me make my own distro? I want to get into the distro watch scene I think there's a there's a small youtuber called the real geek And uh, he had a video on making your own distro It's the installer same as peppermint. I don't really remember the peppermint solar But this part right here is definitely from the ubiquity installer Like that's the boon to Installer part right there, but the rest of it's not or at least it is but it's in different Like it's definitely a different order and looks different It's weird Cool. I mean 100 functional, but still why why not just use the ubiquity installer What My question would be what is the purpose of going to the work of just rearranging the ubiquity installer Without adding really anything to it the petition man the petition Screen was different for sure So they've changed that But I didn't I don't know that it's any more functional than It's the lmd and I don't that part there is definitely from boon to either that is it's it's designed like the boon to one Because this end screen looks exactly like the boon to installer I've seen the the new ubiquity installer that's right on flutter. It doesn't look like this Plus there's no frilly animations That's a good point. Peter. I would just be zuboon to but still I mean You could put it your effort into something else other than That but I I mean it doesn't matter. It's just it just is interesting to me. Oh, goodness gracious So amuses me that people based distributions off distributions, which are based off distributions. Yeah So Zubuntu would be like three three if it's based on a zubuntu It's based would be based on ubuntu Which is based on debian We're three layers of abstraction Five users name is mint It's definitely based on a boon to because that stuff is a boon to and then this is a different That's a different grab screen all together right there. That's cool. And then it has the debian lovin This thing it does not know what it wants to be This is weird That was that was odd so it's definitely based on ubuntu and debian because it had the it had the That ubuntu the end screen were asked you to take out the Insulation media that's pure ubuntu and As parts of the ubuntu installer, which not all of it that some of it and then I had that debian splash screen all right, so we're we're gonna Displace and change the resolution So 1920 by 1080, which is gonna be up here right here and apply And keep okay cool. I made that really small. Okay. Okay, we're gonna close there. All right, so We're gonna open up a terminal so ctrl shift t ctrl alt t works for there just fine. So this is uh This is the mate terminal But this is xfc What? This is weird I mean when you create your own distro you do you right? Let's see if neofetch is installed probably not it is actually so They're using tux as the ascii art. We have the official Name here using kernel 5.10, which is I believe what you're using in the LTS of ubuntu Also, probably the most recent version. I think it's also the debian 11 kernel as well bash 5.1 My so this this desktop environment is mate. This is not Xfce As I originally thought And the reason why I thought it was is because did did we not read before? Based on zubuntu lts What is going on in this world Like I I know I don't know everything in the world. I freely meant that I'm pretty stupid But this either we can't trust distro watch was which is we know is true, but still They've made this look like Xfce Like they have made this look a little bit like xfce, of course xfc and mate are You know, they're not as different as you think they are, but still anyways, this is using the multi-terminal The the mark of the window manager And the monospace font, okay, uh, but still That's definitely a debian based distro thing because you can see the how many packages It's based on lmde the the installer you mean gamer king Okay, but it's still taking stuff from ubuntu Like I don't care what is being used at it might be used in lmde Or you're probably talking about because lmd is not a distro lmde Is a desktop environment so Still like I said, it doesn't matter. It was a conglomeration of stuff Which is fine. There's nothing wrong with it. It's just uh, it was weird. But anyways Free dash m. This is going to be using more so 759 Is yeah quite a bit more than boat body was but that's not it's not a competition Okay, so anyways, we'll close that we're not going to do an update in this one because that was a waste of time I only did that in the other one because I was uh wanted to install Uh neofetch you have to update the mirrors anyways. Anyway, so all we're we're going to go through the categories So we have archive manager calculator disks Excuse me fonts. This is just the normal stuff here Monta search tool I don't see the I wonder if the mod if it has like monta tweak tool because the monta tweak tool and the boon two Is really cool or a boon two monta is really cool All this stuff here is just Our warp inators here by default. That's cool. That's the thing that she used to send and receive Like transfer files between computers. It's similar to like snap drop Okay, again Is the distro that i'm currently using okay? um Well, even alex cute is a desktop environment not a distro into itself um You don't download an iso alex cute. You download a download of lubuntu or I'm trying to think of another distro that uses alex cute. There's not a lot of them that do it by default They have a lot of them have flavors of it anyways graphics we have uh Monta color selection in pics No gimp here, which is fine firefox hex chat thunderbird Web apps run websites as if they were apps. Okay, uh office. This is with a library office here um Other hard drive cleaner Sound of video hypnotics, which is the That's definitely that's from linux mint uh rhythm box Which I think is usually the default on I'm a minute as well. I think I don't know actually kaha kaja for the file manager file browser Deconf editor is here. Well, this is mostly the Uh Timeshift is here. That's also something that kind of started out on mint um Web why would you have web and internet? That's Weird I don't know. Oh, that's gonna be stuff for that's support. Why wouldn't they call it support then? weird, okay, uh administration backup tool That does open up timeshift. No So they have timeshift and backup tool, okay um Log and window these are all going to be setting stuff. Uh synaptic package managers here I wonder if that's the only App store that's installed software sources. There's gonna be the the yeah That's gonna be the boon-two thing Now that's the mod. That's the the mint thing That's from linux mint. I think Maybe wrong on that Yeah, it's definitely pulling from the and it says it says so right there the linux mint. So this is a bit Okay, so It has some debbie in flares and because we saw that debbie in splash screen The boon-two stuff is explained easily enough because it's pulling most of the stuff from linux mint Okay, so that stuff makes sense. Uh, it's not using the same installer as linux mint though Uh uses like a combination of some other stuff, right? So It's definitely highly customized. It's using mate because this is the Of course, it's been so so many it's been ages Since I've used the mate version of linux mint. So I don't even know what that looks like anymore to be honest I'm assuming it's green of some kind Uh, anyways, uh time and date update manager Users and groups preferences about me appearance, which is just going to be this one here. Yeah, that's uh The same thing you would get with any mate desktop uh It does come with mate tweak. So does it come with different layouts? Comes with goam 2 Which is this one here, which is basically just upending the one we just had linux mint Which uh I didn't see it update there and then opens suza Apparently you have to probably log out in order to see that. Sometimes it doesn't actually update Close. Okay. Well, it doesn't matter. Um, and so it doesn't come with the cool layouts that A bunti mate comes with bunti mate comes with ones that are like for mac os and a windows version And the goam 2 version lmd is linux mate desktop environment Wait, did he say lmd? Were they mocking him and he said lmde? I was listening to I was thinking of lx lx I was thinking of the desktop environment.  I'm scrolling up here lmd He didn't I'd misread that my dyslexia is is messing with my head lmd Everybody's shouting in the chat matt.   I read I've read it as I've read it as lx de not lmd not It's okay. Sorry You can tell I haven't installed lmd in a while either but still Cool And it also makes it it makes way more sense than it pulls stuff from Ubuntu, but It's not the regular mint update or either and also explains the devian splash screen because so this is Okay, where I get confused And I'm going back to this again. I'm blaming I'm blaming distro watch Blame based on ubuntu lts now it does say it's also based on mint here But it does not say it's based on lmde. It says it's based on mint and debian And dev1 so does that mean wait a minute? I don't know. I'm confused now. I'm wondering And the best way to find out if you use system d is is is I don't know What's the best way to find out if you're using system d if you find out if uh pseudo system CTL is installed Which it doesn't seem to be so it's not using system CTL it is installed so it is still using system d so it's not can't be based on dev1 All right, distro watch you are complete not a failure at everything you've done in life It says some cdl's here so it has to be using system d so like I said it can't be using What in there we go. All right, so this is I can't believe I said I said there and Like yeah, lxd is is a desktop environment. It is lxde is in fact a desktop environment. That's not what he said he wrote lmde because matt can't read worth a damn. It's all right Nobody ever said I was smart and knew how to read They base they base it off a different distro every time they release Why Why would you ever do such a thing? It's if that's true. I don't know. It's true, but if it's it is true Wow They need to see some grass or something Well, no, I think that this is actually this is definitely mate. It's just kind of themed like xfc and matt on a mate and xfc or per I mean they're not One-to-one example, you know perfectly, but you can tell that they've They have some similar features They manage their panels in Kind of the same way. It's the distro that distro hops for you Did I even look at the web page? I don't even wait the web page was here, but it was in natalian and I didn't I didn't Let's go back here.  We go right here and there's There is an english version here, which it's nice that they provide an english version. Thank you for that Um, even if it's not a hundred percent Is is a linux open source operating system created by This that has acquired historical domain and makes available virtual servers To host web services mail services repositories and sharing services for the development team Um, like I said, I think that basically that sentence means that they've created it for themselves The project is named Aimed to professionals freelancers and private and public entities who want to use free useful and easy to understand tools Is there an abolishment in the settings? I don't know I don't know if matti does that or not Of course, you can't share for settings unless you'd actually type the damn thing, right? There we go Excuse me system tools administration software software software manager So also as the software manager install stuff Which i'm guessing is uh Probably a forked version of the genome software center. Maybe I don't know it doesn't look like the boutique The matte boutique thing. Yeah, that's a that's a that's genome software um I don't see a like a standalone settings manager manager. I might be just missing it Maybe they call it something different Main menu matti calculator matti matti dictionary matti dist image monitor matti just uses analyzer matti Can't pronounce that word Search tool system monitor terminal tweak mouse network proxy notes onboard password personal file sharing pics pluma pop-up notifications post install power management power statistics preferred applications print settings qt5 settings redshift rhythm box screensaver screenshot cito um software manager software sources sound startup applications store synaptic package manager software system monitor system reports take screenshot text editor thunderbird Time and date time and date manager. What what why do you need both of those things? That's weird One of those has to be like a clock thing at weird time shift transmission Update manager usb installer usb stick formatter. What? again questioning why That those had to be the same thing just like sim links to something to the same thing But now i'm curious that's that's the usb stick formatter and That's the usb writer, which are in fact two different things. Okay. Um I mean once for formatting once for writing one Does lmde do that too? I don't even know to be totally telling you the honest that truth um Warpinator web apps Yeah, I don't see anything here I don't see Matt has a system manager Tool or system settings tool. I know it does And that's I'm just making it up in my head and it used it in my dreams or something I meant to have those two applications to it as well, but don't I don't understand why you wouldn't combine those things I don't know. Maybe it's just the minimalist in me. But I understand the whole that's taking the unix philosophy just a little bit too far um Trust me dt. You didn't you you were much better off going to get beer We've been trying to figure out what's going on with this distro It's based on lmde. We're now pretty sure about that though And the only reason we got that far is because the chat, you know ranked me into it uh We're still we're still looking for preferences, but Display I don't know Apparently Either mate does not actually have a system settings panel Or they didn't include it control center system tools control center Okay, yeah web auto administration all We'll go back to all There's not a control center here unless I'm literally the blindest person in the world Well, I mean we can search for control No, there's not a control center here on the left side of the menu Oh, but Why on earth isn't in the menu system? Okay. Now.  Why is it in the applications? That doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever Thanks for pointing that out because I would have never seen it That's weird, right? Why? Why isn't I'm so confused. Yeah, that's exactly the thing I was looking for Anyways, we were looking for about Is there about you know about me about me? That's not helpful.  It's just weird. I mean it All these settings are actually in the menu, of course Because that's the way xfc does it too but They also put a settings manager in xfc, and I'm pretty sure mate does too. I mean like I said, I haven't used mate in ages But I still think that it's there. I don't see an about here I could be again blind But I don't see an about thing main menu appearance administrator technology about me I will look over here to the side now again But no, I don't see so To answer your question bonehead. I don't see I don't see one Okay I think I've had enough of this distro This thing this thing has done nothing but confused me the entire time and it's mostly my fault But still I I don't I don't I don't get it. Um Mainly because I don't LMD uses cinnamon, right? That'd be the reason why they created this right? I I've already told you about me. I I just showed you everything you needed to know about me I'll show it to you again in the control center. This is exactly what you need to know everything about me is right there A very open person Um, this was this is this was a weird one and it's probably not as weird as I was making it out to be But it just felt it felt weird to me All right Okay I don't think we're gonna get to another one guys. 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Good morning. This is 10 o'clock on Thursday morning, March 10th, 2022, and you have tuned into Talking Tax. This show is an attempt to follow what's going on in tax and public finance. I'm Tom Yamachika, president of the Tax Foundation of Hawaii. Jay Fidel, who normally hosts the show, is off today. And with me today, I have a very special guest. He has made a career out of covering the capital and now does it for Seville Beat, the senior reporter there, Kevin Dayton. Kevin. Good morning. Good morning. Thanks for having me. Yeah, thanks for being on the show. So today we're going to talk about half time at the legislature. Today, as you probably know, is the crossover day. So bills have to move from one's house to the other one. And if they don't buy today, they're dead. So we are going to talk a little bit about some of the tax bills that have been introduced and are either still alive or, thankfully, have dropped to the cutting room floor. And we've got a whole bunch of them. You wouldn't think that in a special year like this, when everybody's up for election, that they'd be talking about tax increases so easily, but they are. What do you think about that, Kevin? Well, they certainly are. It's kind of interesting. I was looking back at a little bit of history and in the past, if you think back to 2020, there were a whole bunch of tax bills that were on the table. Now the state budget was in a crisis and it looked like the budget was basically melting down in the early stages of the pandemic. And so if you look back to March of 2020, which was also an election year, they were kicking around. Let's say I got a short list here. They were kicking around applying the corporate income tax to real estate investment trusts. There was a discussion of even a discussion of increasing the state excise tax, which is a pretty dire thing to do. Most of that stuff, I think virtually all of it did not pass because of the fiscal crisis that was going on and the effect that was having on the business community. But they had been known to consider tax increases in election years. But I agree with you that it does tend to make them more cautious. And for our money, basically we're tracking two, what we consider to be major tax bills. I know that you folks are much more intensive in the way you track tax bills, but two big ones stand out to us this year as things to watch, although the prospects for both of those bills are a little shaky right now. Okay, so which ones are those? Okay, one of them would be one that the House just voted on earlier this week, which was, let's see, that was the capital gains tax, that the House bill 1507. And I noticed you have that on your list of bills that you folks are tracking as well. And that was approved in a 46 to five vote. Department of Taxation tells us that if they were to apply that capital gains increase to basically apply it as written that it would increase the state tax date take by something on the order of maybe $100 million a year. So we consider that to be a pretty substantial tax increase. And then the other one would be before we get away from that one, let's just kind of go into that one for a little more detail. That one is basically two things tied together. One, a half of it would take the state earned income tax credit, which unlike other states is non-refundable. It would make the credit refundable and permanent. Now it's refundable and temporary. And it's going to pay for that by basically making capital gains taxable like any other income that a normal individual earns. I mean, right now, although the top tax rate is 11%, capital gains go up to and do not exceed seven and a quarter. So it's been a little bit less. Historically, the reason for that has been because capital gains are kind of made over more than one and probably several years. And there is, or at least at the federal level, it was perceived that taxing multiple years gains in the one year that's realized would create a hardship. So rather than trying to average out over the years over which it's been earned, they basically applied a little rate to it. Now most states don't do that. Most states, from what I understand, do tax capital gains at the ordinary income rates. But then they're applying rates like 5%, 6%. And they don't get into the stratosphere like we do. We're at 11%. I think we're the second or third highest in the country. California is currently the leader of the pack. This is a race we don't want to win. But we should maybe spend a minute talking about the political pitch in favor of this as well. The argument that is either implied or explicit that's being made is, well, this is a capital gains tax and most people don't realize capital gains. If you're talking about an ordinary working stiff, that's a person who probably is not going to realize a capital gain. And therefore, it's seen as a sort of an equalizing. I think some of the testimony on that particular bill was this is a quote unquote tax loophole for the wealthy. And we ought to do something to close that up as a way of making the tax system more equitable. So just so that you may or may not agree with that, but that is the argument that's being made. Yeah. Yeah, certainly the supporters of the bill are arguing that, oh yeah, the tax investments are something that are just made by the wealthy. And ordinary working stiffs bring in wages that are taxed on this amount of income. Why do we give a tax break to the wealthy? And I think the short answer is most working stiffs don't reach the 9, 10, 11% rates at all. So the capital gains are going to be taxed at or close to what normal people are making if you've got normal people there. And if you've got people who are in the 9, 10, 11% rate and yet then it makes a difference. But for those people, you have to understand that they're the ones that are paying 80% of the tax, any. Well, to clarify that, what you're saying is since most people are paying something below 11% on their income, right, because they're not up to the level of earnings where that 11% bracket would kick in, then the existing capital gains tax is maybe closer to what they're actually paying on their income. Yeah, that's right. I hear what you're saying. Maybe we should talk for a minute about the pairing, the decision to pair the EITC, earned income tax credit with the capital gains tax increase, because I think that's an interesting decision that the legislature made to do that. Well, it's not the only one. I mean, the EITC to make it refundable and permanent, that's something that the Progressive Wing was pushing over several years now. And they were trying different things to pay for it. There's another bill that so far is in the scrap heap that would have done it by raising the top income tax rates to 13%. Like as was proposed last year, or that one, actually it did pass, but it got vetoed and the veto stuck. Yeah, I thought it was just interesting, the pairing decision was kind of interesting because apparently the House leadership is not real crazy about it. This idea of putting the earned income tax credit, which is something that it's pretty clear that both the House and Senate are pretty enthusiastic about that this year. That's something they want to do, either as a concession to the Progressive Wing of the party, or just as a good tax policy. They want to, it's pretty clear that the leadership in both the House and Senate want to make the earned income tax credit permanent and want to make it refundable. That's something they feel like they can do for working people in the community. And then to pair that with the capital gains tax increase, or the capital gains tax proposal makes it harder to pass. And when I was speaking with House Finance Committee chair, Sylvia Luke, I want to say about a week ago, she was not very enthusiastic about the idea of pairing those two together. I think she wants to be sure that the EITC passes and doesn't get gummed up in an argument over whether or not to increase that capital gains tax. So that bill might not be the one that covers the EITC issue. So when we wrote up these two tax bills in the civil beat on Monday, and in our discussion of it, we were guessing that that's probably not going to pass. Well, either that or it's still relatively early in the process, if they want to advance the EITC part, and they can do that and cut out the capital gains increase if they want, just another section of the bill that they can they can tax. Well, there's a million ways to do anything down here, right? So certainly that is one possibility that they could pursue that. But you didn't mention that also the House has also approved a bill since we're talking about EITC, we might as well talk about it now, that would that links up the earned income tax credit with the minimum wage increase. Those are two what would be called sort of progressive issues that are, you know, those are sort of crowd pleasers for a lot of people. And to bundle them together like that might make more sense. And I suspect because that's the House's way of addressing that's the bill that on behalf of the House addresses what's going to happen with minimum wage. I suspect that's going to be the vehicle and I'm sorry I didn't I wasn't didn't think we were going to talk about this so I didn't write down the number I don't have it in front of me maybe you do. It's House bill 2510. Okay, right. And that just passed yesterday I guess yeah that was moved. I know there's there's some big controversy about that because the progressive wing of the party thinks that bill doesn't go far enough they want the Senate version and you know of the minimum wage bill. And they're they were advocating to the House that they vote no one on 2510. But I guess that's a conversation that's going to come later. Right, but if the progressive wing were to prevail and were to convince enough people that they should not support that bill, they would be theoretically surrendering their the the EITC as well which is the clever that's the clever part of packaging those two things together the earned income tax credit combined with the the minimum wage increase suggests that you know if you want one you got to take the other kind of thing and I wonder whether that's the way it's going to play out. Right, so what's that other big bill you were following? Carbon tax I didn't see it on your list but I'll bet it's on there somewhere I probably just overlooked it but that one the carbon tax is let's see what we got here. It's a triple referral in the Senate so it passed the House about a week ago and it is a triple referral in the Senate and again Representative Luke was remarking to me that oh we passed that bill for discussion purposes which is usually not a good sign when they when they start making statements like that that this is for discussion purposes it suggests that that also is on kind of shaky ground. There's a lot of movement on the you know the fuel tax space occasion not only by you know various carbon tax proposals but also the Department of Transportation had something called the road usage charge that it was starting to roll out they actually had a bill that would change the $50 registration fee for electric vehicles to a road usage charge but I think that one died a grisly death although you know it's never over until it's over. Understood I think that one will actually be a tough sell because when you when I talk to people there's this sense that if they want to change the system it's somehow going to cost me more. There's a sort of a general mistrust of switching from you know a taxing system that you understand and know and it's very predictable to one that's based on the miles that you drive. Yeah so it's a concern and I think that's going to be a tough sell. The carbon tax even more so I would think. Yeah and I think it's really a terrible time to be thinking about you know things that would hit people at the pump you know given the current geopolitical situation that's already going to make you know prices sky high at least in the near term. Yeah. Now let's we're at the halfway point of our show so we're going to be taking a short break. We're going to be going into some other interesting topics at the legislature when we get back. 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One of the things that you've been hearing I you just you just told me during the break was that this one of our key legislators were saying well we have a whole lot of money this year so why do we need to raise taxes it's it's and that's true. I mean we have more than a billion dollars in surplus. Governor Ege proposed to sock the whole billion dollars away in the rainy day fund. That remains to be seen whether that's going to go anywhere. It doesn't look like it. Yeah. And the governor also had made a pitch for a hundred dollar credit for everybody and it looks like that's not going to go anywhere either because both of those bills died. Correct. So the conversation that I had that I thought was very interesting was either the Senate Ways and Means Chairman Donovan Delacruz made the point that you know it's particularly hard this year to be raising taxes when you're sitting on this a normal a normal I'm sorry enormous I meant to say surplus. So you have the governor's proposal to put that one billion dollars into the rainy day fund and after he made that proposal we had the council on revenues come in with a new projection that suggested that the state's going to collect something on the order of about 890 million dollars more than Ege expected when he made his proposal. So I don't have a good feel for exactly how large the surplus is but it's a monster. And so when you have that much money sitting around as the senator pointed out it is very difficult to make a case for a tax increase but then as you think about that the opposite argument was being made two years ago as the bottom's falling out of the economy we now see that nobody nobody can stand a tax increase at a time like that your small businesses are suffering your taxpayers are suffering that's the wrong time to increase. So you don't increase taxes when the economy is down and you don't increase taxes when the economy is up and both of them seem like very common sense notions and yet if you don't keep up with things like inflation and you don't maintain your infrastructure your roads your schools and so on you very quickly have very big problems and so you have to find ways to raise enough revenue to to run government. So it's an interesting paradox it just it's sort of the political end of things but both of those arguments make a lot of sense. Yeah and there are of course a number of people who are trying to use taxes as a social policy tool they're saying well you know we were talking just before the break about a carbon tax that is that's a way to be more you know force the public to be more environment friendly by discouraging the use of fossil fuels you know it's like you know the taxes that are now on alcohol or tobacco you know you don't want people to use them but if they're going to use them anyway let's make some money off that's kind of that's kind of the mindset behind those taxes so why not why not fuel tax as well. Absolutely but as you pointed out this is a disastrous time to be ringing something like that up I mean when you have the war in Ukraine playing out with the full expectation that that's going to have a dramatic impact that already has on gas prices so the consumers are going to pay heavily for that there's another problem with that bill that was pointed out to me this is I'm talking about the carbon tax bill now it was pointed out to me by one of the advocates of that bill who said that there were some errors that were made apparently in the original drafting of the measure it was intended by at least some of the people who were supporting the bill that it would be revenue neutral but in other words what was supposed to happen is there would be a tax imposed at the pump for example it would actually be collected at the barrel level at the importation level but the tax would be imposed and then the money for that extra tax would be refunded to the consumers most of it less administrative costs would be refunded to the consumers through a tax credit but the way the bill was exactly what the the council not the council room but the tax review commission which which had just read at its report had been recommending that that the yeah let's impose a carbon tax for the social policy aspects but rebate 80 percent of it to consumers and I said that's that's never going to happen it's never going to happen because they're going to grab the money or it's never going to happen because it's not going to grab the money grab the money okay well anyway the argument and that's you know the the carbon tax proposals that or the the one that they have now a 2278 that's what it's got in it it has yeah there's a refundable income tax credit in it but it but I believe it cuts off at a certain income level um or if not this version the previous one did it was most augment the low income tax credits yeah what I'm told for what it's worth what I'm told is that there was an error in drafting the bill and what ended up happening was you had the credit was too small as as drafted the credit was too small and when the tax department actually analyzes the effect of the bill as written the state has a wonderful huge windfall basically you know hundreds of millions of dollars a year in additional revenue that the state would collect but that at least one of the supporters is arguing that that was not the original intent the original intent was that virtually all of the money would be refunded to the taxpayers and I know you may not find that credible but that's that that was what they say the intent was well I'm sure that's what the tax review commission's intent was uh but when you get to the capital things take on a life of their own they certainly do they certainly do there is um if you want to move on there's another issue that I wanted to talk about which relates to property taxes it's not on the table at the capital this year you want to go there let's do it okay so there's been an argument made for a number of years you know there's a great deal of concern about the cost of housing in Hawaii and the extraordinary volume of purchases that are being made by out of state and and international investors um either for second homes or for flat out investment properties and the argument that's been made is that the state the way the state and county taxes together are structured encourages that by basically we keep our property taxes low because we fund our school system which is a major expense out of of excise taxes and other state taxes while the counties and the and the city keep their property taxes low um lower than the most other comparable places or other other sorts of similar desirable places such as ours um that then has the effect the argument goes of encouraging outside buyers to come in buy out property here whether it's for investment or for second homes and their carrying costs are um lower than they otherwise would be or some people would say otherwise should be so the idea is and there I've seen a couple of different mechanisms proposed to do this nothing nothing that's moving this year but it's an interesting idea if there was a way to sort of prod the counties and the city to increase their rates and then perhaps lower um the tax rates that are applied by the state whether it's for the the GE tax which is extremely regressive it might also have the effect of making the the tax system overall more progressive and it's an interesting idea I'm guessing maybe you don't think well let me let me hear what you have to say about that any thoughts well yeah there were some proposals along those lines one was what we call a vacant homes tax that was proposed I think by senator chang last year but but but the big problem with with something like that is it's a tax on the usage of property and the state has no jurisdiction to impose any kind of tax on the usage of property because our constitution says that real property tax is exclusively the county's culliana and and you know I think he and his supporters were kind of you know chewing and thrashing upon that principle and trying to get around it you know by drafting some variants of that measure but that's what they were trying to do so either to to raise the property tax themselves past constitutional amendment which which failed this year as well and we're encouraging the counties to to pass some kind of vacant homes tax now but I don't think there's anything that's really made it out of the box so far but it's kind of a very interesting dynamic to see that play out yeah the the feedback that I was getting from a legislator there's a legislator Kyle Yamashita who's who's been very interested in this idea and his take was that there frankly is not enough trust in the legislature to pursue this issue that you what you would need you would need a community outcry to say hey we need to do something about the property tax rates at the at the city level I or city and county level I should say I have a hard time imagining how that could possibly happen because I you know people don't rise up to demand higher taxes on their property um for anything but but it is an interesting idea because if we are I want do you agree that the tax structure the way it is now is actually encouraging outside buyers to come into this market no you don't think so I mean it is a high tax state and you know if you look at property tax in a vacuum that maybe you can come to that conclusion but if but if you're you know even partially informed I think you would realize that there's all kinds of detriments to investing in Hawaii because you know yeah they won't tax you there but they'll tax you here here here here is here okay well I mean I see your point if you're talking about setting up a business I wonder whether purchasing property purchasing a home that's become sort of a surefire thing in terms of building equity and and making a profit and I wonder whether taxing it property taxes um could be used to discourage outside investment because as you know we've got you know people are crying for affordable housing and at some point the state is going to have to do something with that um and the efforts to build more affordable housing don't seem to have done the trick just yet yep I mean there that is is among a raft of problems that we're considering um you know dilapidated infrastructure at our schools and airports um you know we have we have all maintenance backlogs we have all kinds of stuff to worry about in fund um any any last thoughts before we wrap up this show Kevin uh no I just think there's there's not going to be any great tax proposal that'll be moving this year I just don't think the timing is right for the ones that are left on the table that it's shaky timing it's difficult timing you know increasing a fuel tax or or you know even capital gains um while they might be popular in some sectors I think it they're they're going to be a little concerned about in an election year sure yeah and especially in this this super election year where everybody is up not just not just uh half the senate uh but but everybody so it's it's a very interesting situation to be in and we're in the halftime of our legislative session half half of it remains so we'll be on pins and needles until uh I guess the beginning of the beginning of May which is when when things wind up I'd like to thank Kevin Dayton from Civil Week for taking the time to be here today thanks for having me there viewers and this has been I think tax I think tech Hawaii's talking tax and we'll see you in two weeks aloha


I can't believe we have Patrick Queen in the building, baby. Let's talk about the Ravens, about the season, about what he's excited about, and we'll be talking about, I need to know, are you friends with Joe Burrow? Are you not friends with Joe Burrow? Because it on the field, it doesn't look like it. But another big loss, again by Patrick Queen. Patrick Queen sacks Jones. He's out of one sack, stepped over another, but he's hit from the backside and dropped. Patrick Queen. She's so scary, man. First round draft pick by the Baltimore Ravens, one of the most exciting linebackers in the league. And I must say, a phenomenal Twitter follow. And by the way, Patrick Queen, did you know that you were voted media good guy by your local beat reporters? I did. I didn't know until I walked in and then they can't tell me, like a few minutes before it happened and stuff. So it was crazy, but I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Well, how are you and why do you think they voted you that? I hear you talk to everybody after the game. I'm good. And I mean, it's just crazy. I don't expect to receive a war like that, you know? So I remember after the stealers lost, they came in the locker room and I was like pissed. Didn't I want to talk to anybody? And they came up and they were like, can we get an interview with you? And I wanted to say bad. So I'm like, they got a job to do. So I might as well just give them a little insight. Well, we love having you here on the show and for making some time. We missed your Ravens on the field already. Now you're coming off your best season in Baltimore with career highs honestly across the board in almost every category.  You've had a couple of days to sort of reflect on the season probably when you when you look at it, how do you describe your personal journey this year? Did it feel different from your first two years? Everybody always tells me the game slows down a little bit once you play for a while. Yeah, it definitely slowed down. And I feel like I made a great jump, but it was not where I wanted to be. I still wanted to be even better. So that just comes with, I guess, experience. So now that I got the more experience under my belt, year four can be even better. So that's what I'm looking forward to. That's what I'm gonna be working for this all season just to improve off what I just did. What does better mean to you? Like, is it all pro? Is it, you know, like you got Roquan there now.   So how much, like you don't scare quarterbacks around the league now. I want it all. I want it all. Whatever come with it, I want it all. Just at the end of the day, I just want a window. But whenever a war comes with it, the stats, I want it all.  I just, I'm greeted like that. Yeah. And I'm used to the Ravens having it all. I really am. I'm used to you guys playing deep into these post seasons. A lot of energy, a lot of good vibes. There was, you know, a lot of obstacles for this team this year. Big injuries, injuries that, you know, that sort of been with the Ravens for the past couple of years. Fourth quarter, weirdness, right? There's quarterbacks, which is all of that. And the division is really tough. So what's one area of improvement that you do think needs to happen to come out swinging next year? I think we just all got to come in and just come together quicker. I think that was the biggest thing that we all weren't a true team when we started. So that's what the main message was on the Asian meetings was just us coming together quicker, being able to form that bind at a faster pace so that this way when we start the season, things will fall apart like they did early on. Yeah, I love hearing that. We'll talk a little bit more about the Ravens in a bit, but I said you're a good Twitter follow. I laughed out loud, and so did my whole staff when we saw this, this tweet that you put up here. They need to make a show for fans to get on and think that they know football and ask them every single assignment on the field on each play. Now, I would lose immediately in this situation, but what does that show look like? I need you to pick a host. Who's hosting that show? And what does that look like? For a host, I'll probably say Chuck Clark. Okay, I like that. I'll probably say Chuck Clark. And it's like these people who were on Twitter are telling you what football is about, and that's what it is. Yeah, it's crazy because they're just like randomly point out something and be totally wrong, like just not even close to what they're trying to say. It's the point they're trying to make, and it just, no, aggravates me, but it just makes me realize what I do is just another level of what somebody is not capable of knowing, not capable of doing. Not trying to down talk anybody, but there are a lot of fans out there. I know one guy that watches Bill's film, Cover One, he knows a lot of stuff about football, and that's because he takes the time to learn it, and he doesn't bash anybody.  Yeah, well, okay. So what's one thing that you want fans that watch the game to understand? Like what bothers you the most that people get wrong the most? Like besides when you obviously see somebody mess up, like John will pick or like whatever it may be, like actually like see if you understand what the play was and just before you go bash somebody. Like I see people getting bashed all the time, including myself, like for stuff that has nothing to do with them. So that's the biggest one I'm trying to get across. I love that. Now let's talk a little bit about this weekend. You know this Bangles team, Patrick, better than anyone. You've seen them three times this season. You were college teammates with Joboro and Jamar. But you got them. I need, you're talking about fans needing to learn. We need to learn from, look at this interception people out there watching right now. Are you kidding? First and 10, this is Bangles Baltimore division rival. Patrick, you don't, I'm showing you this because I need you to know that I know that you know the secrets and the cheat code. You knew exactly where that ball was going. Talk me through this. Yeah, I've seen Jamar go in motion and used it when he does that same motion and it all snapped before the run. They used to run every proud concept that they ran and I was actually supposed to be out a little wider pushing through with the back because that was my new number three that I was supposed to push through with. But I knew Jamar going to motion they was going to throw it to Jamar. So I just hop on back a little bit. I was just like, I'm going to make him check it down if he do throw it out there. And he just threw it straight to me. So he, I guess he didn't see me. I mean, clearly he didn't. You knew where it was going because you know these guys so well. So if you were to give, you know, a professor Patrick Queen lesson to Steve Spagnolo on Borough ahead of this weekend, what is, what would you teach him? What would you tell him he needs to know? No, it's supposed to pay. No, it's supposed to please just make him check the ball down the whole game. They got great athletes, great ROC. Every ROC on their team is great. The run and basket do whatever they want on the field. So I think the best things for him to do is just try to get pressure with a full manner of rest and just drive back and make him check it down. I think if you limit those explosive plays, make them go the long hard way, eventually something got to give.  I know you play together and he speaks really highly of you at the podium and you do too. But then on the field, Patrick, it never looks like y'all get along. What's, are you friends? Yeah, we're friends. Uh, everybody think we're not friends because we had a fight in college. Like every college he makes have with each other. So whatever they want to take with that, they can. I just, I'm here to say that at the end of the day, if Joe ever needed something from me, like I'll be there for him. Like everybody knows that. That's how we all are. And at the end of the day, when he's up on the field, he's trying to beat me just like I'm trying to beat him. So at the end of the day, if we're competing against each other and they look me ugly and nasty, then that's football. But it matters more, right? Like when you make a play on him. Because he, I pay attention to what Joe says a lot. And that's drip sack. I think we have it. That's drip sack. He, he hated it. He talked about it after the game. Patrick, first talk me through this. Uh, yes. So it was just a blitz off the left side. And I was supposed to get through clean, but obviously I didn't. Somebody got bumped off the way in there. I just got running. And I saw him sneaking around the edge, trying to make a play. And I was just like, I was praying like, please don't throw it. Please don't throw it. Please don't throw it. And just went over there and just tried to put a hit on him. Uh, yeah. And it looks like it meant more to you too. It definitely did.  And he, after the game, I remember he was like, I was mad. I got, if you never know what's going on. And then I, but then I found out it was Patrick clean. And he was really pissed at you. Yeah. It's different when it's your teammate from college, especially like how we were in college. Uh, it's just the competitive nature between both of us. Nobody want to lose. Nobody want to get a play made on him by somebody that they know. Uh, so I guess it comes with being in the AMC North. Yeah. What's your best Joe Burrow story? Uh, I guess him coming in like the first day of summer practice and we had like a minute conditioning test. And I don't know why he actually did have the conditioning test. Any champ comes out first day, just lights it up. Like I'll run and me, I'll run and Devon trying to like prove a point to the team. And so like we all sitting there like, yeah, this guy's legit. Like he had a long hair calling the sunshine and stuff. So it was just, it's epic story. Did he like being called sunshine? I don't think so. I don't think so at all. It was, it was getting to that point where he was like, I'm done with it. And I was knee-cut his hair. Oh my God. That's amazing. I love that he did. I didn't know that story. Let's talk a little bit about your Ravens. Well, I want to ask you about Lamar, but you and, you and Roquon are really something special. He gets there.   Because it's really special.  You see him making plays. You see him taking control of games. And once he got there, you just see how he operates, how he's, how welcome to me he is, what everybody, how he learns everybody name. Just the way he treats himself as an athlete, how he's the pro in the weight room, how he's the pro in treatment, whatever it may be, he takes a pro approach to it.  And just like I'm proud of him. I'm proud of the stuff that he did this season coming in and learning the playbook that quick. Just I'm happy for him getting the money, getting the big old bag and stuff. Is everything that he deserves. Yeah. And hopefully it's coming your way. Then next year with these lofty goals you had, what do you do to make those things happen? So like now it's the off season. Of course, you'll watch the game Sunday and you'll, you know, low key because you can't be, because you're, you'll be happy for your friends doing their thing against, against KC. I know that. But what do you personally, did you take time off for a little bit and then get back into it? Do you get right into it? Like how do you handle your business off season? I think for me, having two off seasons is the best thing for me was last season. I just took a few weeks off and maybe two, maybe three, and I just got right back into, then start off extremely hard, but just got back into it slowly and surely. I think that's the biggest thing and just eaten right. I think I started eating right a little bit too late last season.  So I think that approach now, just knowing what to eat, what not to eat, and starting to work out early. That's probably the best thing for me to be able to reach those goals. What are you not eating? What are you eating now? What do you got to stop? What's like the one thing that you have to stop eating that makes you the most upset? Pasta. I love pasta. Pasta. I love pasta. Yes. You can't eat pasta when? Like just all season? It's just like, I love pasta. So like, instead of like having pasta and like with chicken or shrimp or something in it, I just love pasta. Like I just love pasta. And it's too many carbs. So I can't really eat that. So now you got to stop. You got to get it while you can. But there's other kind of pastas now, you know, there's lentil pasta. There's pastas made out. Have you tried any of those? I have not. I haven't even thought about trying another dose. Okay. We won't even ask you to do that. Okay. So I want to ask you, you know, the vibes between you and Roquan, they're on and they were amazing all season. I mean, before the trade, it was the 20th ranked past defense. He gets there. You two crush it. It's the second best past defense that you guys were killing it. But the rest of the team, the vibe sort of felt off. And you had the JK Dobbins thing happen.  That's a third string, which is crazy. Why were the vibes off? I'll just ask you, honestly. The thing is just comes like naturally, like with a football team, when injuries happen and stuff happens inside the facility, I think that tends to happen around every football team. It's just at a point, how well do you respond? Everybody gets his way to versatility. And I think the biggest thing was, for us was we just all came together. We all just stuck in there. Especially seeing what happened last season and knowing that we have a better chance with more guys being back, even with the injuries, just staying in there, being consistent, having each other's back and just coming in to work and trying to get better and just improve our team and improve our season. Yeah, I have Mark Ingram on my show every week. I have, of course, legend Eric Weddle, former Raven on my show every week. Chris Carter was on last week. We were talking, Brandon Marshall comes on and talks about this Lamar Jackson thing all of the time. And the thought that he wouldn't want to play if he was 100%, like when you hear that kind of stuff, does it just make you so mad?  Not on you like that, but it's just something that you can't control. I think at the end of the day, if you could move a little bit, if you could do what you could do without sacrificing your whole body and knowing that you're being out for longer than what you need to be, go out there and play. No shots at who people think I'm talking about, because obviously he can play like Lamar's better. He's going to do what he needs to do to get out on the field. And if he can play, he can play. But just overall as a view, but if you're a player and there's some nagging you or something like stopping you from like completely playing, then I understand that. But at the end of the day, we're football players. We're not always going to be 100%. So sometimes we just got to just boot up and go out there and ball how we are. It's well said. What do you want to see happen for your guy Lamar? I want to see him get the bag. I think he deserves it. A great guy, great leader, great player, just all around a football player. And somebody that our team gels with a lot and loves and will do anything for. So I definitely want to see Lamar stay in Baltimore and get paid and try to go on these Super Bowl runs. Yeah, we want to see that too. And I know our next guest is going to want to see that as well. I think Eric Guetta wants to say hello. You guys have a mutual love for the Ravens and Wink Martindale, of course. Wettle, get in here. PQ, what's up, man? What's up, Edo? How are you, man? I'm good. You? Doing good. I was heartbroken when the Bengals snuck that one out on you guys. But man, it was it's great to see your growth and you being that impact player that we all envisioned and playing outstanding football, you and Roquon. Best duo in the league, man. It's great as a Raven alum to watch you guys play at a high level, which we all expect in the standard over to Ravens, man. So I just want to congratulate you on a great season and keep leading them boys, man. Yeah, I appreciate that. That means a lot coming from you. All right, Patrick Queen will let you go. We appreciate you.  Maybe you try some zucchini noodles at some point or you don't. Do whatever you do. Have some mac and cheese for breakfast. We appreciate you, Patrick Queen. Maybe we'll see you at Super Bowl. And Eric Weddle is here. So we will talk a little Bengals chiefs. We'll get into the NFC matchup as well. Very excited to not go anywhere.


I find that a lot of people are quick to judge and this is a symptom of having too much ego. What we're trying to do over here as people that try to actualize or realize is at some stage you want to learn to start transcending the ego, to start watching the ego as the awareness itself as the observer. You don't want to connect yourself too much to the ego because it limits your potential. That's why a lot of the problems in the world happen, a lot of people have fires because of ego. Too much ego. Now, I'll give you a little example. There's a book I read, The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People by Stefan Kovie, I believe. It was a Steven. Anyway, he was talking about how he went into a train and there was a bunch of people in the train. A father and three of his kids walked into the train. The kids were running around, jumping, causing major distraction. The father wasn't really doing anything about it. He was just sitting down with his head down. He's watching the events and these guys' kids are running around.  It goes to the point where he thought, what's wrong with this guy? How can you let your kids run around like this and how can you have such a little respect for other people in the train? He decided to go out and sort this guy out, give him a little word. He asked the man, he said, hey dude, I see you got your kids here. You're letting them run around. What's up with that? Why don't you have a bit more respect and keep them in line. Try not to let them do this type of stuff. The man looks up at him for the first time and goes, I'm sorry, my kid's parents just passed away three hours ago. We just left the hospital. They might still be shocked about it. I'm still shocked about it but I guess you're right. So his paradigm shifted instantly when he heard this news because he got a different viewpoint. This viewpoint made him reinterpret everything that just occurred.  He started understanding where this person was coming from. Now everyone has a different viewpoint in life and people are too drastic or too quick to make judgments without stopping and thinking about where exactly the other person is coming from.  It's not just about you. It's not just the things you see from face value. Everyone has a story. There's a reason why they're behaving the way they're behaving.  It's something that made them that way or something that makes them choose the actions they're taking at a particular time that you might not understand. So if you come at things with less ego, it helps you start to see these type of things, these nuances. You don't get so angry so quickly. You start being more accepting in other people. So if someone's behaving negatively towards you, you don't take it as a personal slight. You might think that perhaps this person has their own problems and they don't know how to deal with this so they're trying to take it out on me. And if you come in life with this type of mentality where you're trying to transcend the ego, transcend your view yourself and try to see things for what they are, you'll be a lot more filled and a lot happier. And yeah, I hope you'll see some value of this. We'll try to do some more of these type of videos. And peace.