Thanks for the introductions, Brian. And Marta, thanks for joining us. I appreciate you taking time out to talk to us. Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here. Yeah, and Brian already did a generous introduction, so I don't think I need to explain any more about what you do or who you are at this point, but maybe what you could do is start us off by talking a little bit about Filecoin Foundation and what you're trying to do with Filecoin and what challenges it's intended to solve. Sure, absolutely. Well, in short, we're working to preserve humanity's most important information. And I think the best way to think about Filecoin and the problems that we're trying to solve is really to think a little bit about today's internet and its vulnerabilities. So just as one perfectly timed example, on Tuesday, there were dozens of websites around the world that went offline for an hour because of an internal glitch at a major cloud service provider. So you had the UK government's main public service portal down. You had CNN down. The New York Times down. And this is just the latest example of how the internet centralized model creates these single points of failure. And that's really concerning when you think about the fact that file storage right now is basically a monopoly. So much of today's internet relies on just a few players to store and serve billions of websites and applications. And so backing up a little further on today's internet, if I go to a webpage, that's information that's being retrieved from a particular server somewhere in the world, maybe really far away for me. And I'm looking for that particular webpage in a particular place. And I'm hoping that it's still in that place. So it's sort of like, imagine you just read a really good book and you recommend it to your friend, but instead of telling them the name of the book, you say where it is. So you say, well, it's at the New York Public Library and it's the third shelf on the left and it's five books over. And that's basically how today's internet works. So in order to go get that book, you have to fly to New York and you have to go to the public library and you have to find the place on the shelf where that book is supposed to be, but maybe it's not there. Maybe someone moved it or tore out pages, right? Or maybe you'll get there and you'll realize you actually had the book in your backpack the whole time. And again, that's today's internet. And so it really just makes a lot more sense to tell your friend the name of the book that you just read and let your friend find that book by its name rather than its location. And so that's what IPFS, the Interplanetary File System does. So instead of retrieving content by where it is, it retrieves the content by what it is using something called content addressing. So content is addressed using cryptographic hashes instead of by reference to a particular location on a particular server, which means that you don't need a web address to find your file, you just need to know its content address. And if you have it or someone near you has it, you can retrieve it from there. So that's IPFS and Filecoin builds on top of that, it adds an incentive layer, incentive mechanisms, which I think are a foundational technology for the decentralized web. So some people think of Filecoin like Airbnb for file storage. So miners can rent out their storage space and then earn Filecoin for doing that. And users can spend Filecoin to store files. So really intended to be an incentive layer for the decentralized web. And at the Filecoin Foundation, we're here to create a decentralized, efficient and robust foundation for humanities information using the Filecoin Outlook. So that's what we're doing at the foundation. So storing humanities content in terms of some of our most important things, that sounds like there's a lot of challenges there. So there's a lot of reasons for doing this, I assume, and there's probably some risks of building on or using a decentralized web infrastructure. Can you maybe explain to me sort of like pros and cons in terms of why someone to do this or maybe some of the potential risks that might come up? Yeah, absolutely. So with IPFS, anyone can store information but if someone's serving the only copy of a file and they close their computer and go offline for a few days, that file isn't available anymore. So until they reopen their computer, that file is offline. And so that's definitely an issue with the decentralized web, right? You're not paying some centralized person to store that file. And so you need a way to make sure that that data persists. And so that is the problem that Filecoin is solving. You actually basically are able to pay people to make sure that there are multiple copies and to make sure that someone is always incentivized to make that data available. And it really solves the issue of if there's no central corporation for you to pay to host your website or your data, who is going to host it? Who's really gonna take on the infrastructure cost that it takes to basically reconstitute the web? And so for us, Filecoin is really addressing one of the major problems of the decentralized web. Okay. So I mean, it makes me think back though, when we've been talking about IPFS, for a number of years now at this point, it sounds like there's an evolution in terms of a layer above IPFS now with Filecoin where you can extract more value out of the system by providing some incentives and reward models. I think back to open source when things really took off in the late 90s, early 2000s, there tended to be these economic and competitive drivers. No one company could hire all the talented kernel developers in the world. And so the Linux kernel community became this place where a lot of that type of innovation started, in my opinion, there's other open source projects out there, maybe some driven by companies, but to have a true sort of community model led to this faster time to market, faster integration and users getting involved. But we've been on this as the Linux foundation we've observed is sort of like multi-decade shift towards end user driven innovation and the ability of open source as a forum or a place for end users to collaborate with companies, vendors, others around the world who have the same types of problems. As you look at IPFS, you look at what you're doing with Filecoin, it looks like you're kind of an evolution of something similar to what we saw in the early days of open source. Is that you're feeling like where do you think you're at in sort of that arc or trajectory around storing content? Yeah, I think that is a perfect, I think that is a perfect parallel. I think that's exactly right and that's exactly, we are finding ourselves in that moment. So we launched the Filecoin network back in mid-October of this past year and it has scaled so incredibly quickly. We're now over six exabytes of storage capacity on the network, which is frankly staggering and not beyond what I think we could have expected. And I think it's in part driven by the fact that, well, several things. I mean, one thing I should say is Filecoin is of course completely open source. And so it's really important to us that we have literally thousands of people in the world participating and making this into a world by decentralized storage network. And then I think there are some other things at play as well. So one of the things that happens with Filecoin is you create this data storage marketplace, this really dynamic marketplace where you're doing storage deals. And I think just from an economic perspective, it turns out that that pencils out pretty well. And so we're seeing a lot of applications being built on top of Filecoin. And we have a really impressive and very fast growing ecosystem of literally hundreds of organizations that are collaborating on the Filecoin network and building applications and developer tooling and infrastructure and more. And that certainly would not be the case in my view if we were not fully open source and really committed to the open source community. And of course, just as one example, we just heard from Jonathan Doton and Jonathan's Starling project has been building on top of IPFS and Filecoin. Really, I mean, as you heard, he's creating the ability to authenticate and store some of humanity's most sensitive and important digital records. So genocide testimony and documentation about human rights violations. And he's really using the Filecoin network to store humanity's most important information, which is really aligned to our mission. And he's just one of many, many people who is building on top of the Filecoin network. Yeah, it's pretty interesting when you think about it, in terms of genocide data, some of these important sensitive documents, but even at layers lower in terms of critical importance to the history of the world or humanity, we have practical things. I think of back, I think it was in 2013, Jonathan Zittrain, Kendra Albert from Harvard, they were making headlines, pointing out that roughly half of the URLs cited in US Supreme Court decisions linked to nowhere on the internet because the URLs had changed or the content had been moved. So it sounds like Filecoin could potentially help with these types of problems. Is that an appropriate way to frame it? Absolutely, absolutely. I think that Linkrot is a really serious threat to data on the web. And they've just updated that research and looked at links in the New York Times articles and found that more than a quarter of the deep links are actually now no longer working. And so you have completely inaccessible pages when you have links in the New York Times. And so if you look at how Filecoin could play a role in that, the issue here is you have these particular URLs pointing to a particular server somewhere in the world. And if instead of doing that, you're pointing to a particular content ID, you can retrieve that as long as there are still copies anywhere. As long as someone somewhere is storing it, IPFS solves that problem. And then if you really want to make sure that data persists, you can pay using Filecoin to make sure that it does persist and to make sure that data is continuing to exist on the network. And if you have things like Supreme Court decisions or New York Times articles, I mean, anyone can pay to store, to make sure that those things are stored in perpetuity and to make sure that that data is persisting. And so one example of another organization that's working really hard on that is the Internet Archive, which is of course preserving the web and trying to foster the web's future by making sure that it's preserved. And one of the things they're doing is storing some of their data on the Filecoin network in the Filecoin Archives project. So similarly, taking the web and putting it on to making sure that it'll persist by putting it onto the Filecoin network. Yeah. It also makes me think like, in the early days of open source adoption, we had sort of this movement around open source. There was kind of this like moral underpinning in terms of opening up the code that we were all dependent upon and using and being able to make it accessible to anybody. And then there was sort of this practical debate that happened after enterprises and large companies and vendors started leaching onto this and saying, hey, we could actually work in this community too and we could build a product or solution around it. And sort of open source grew up in some ways. And there was this sort of professionalization around it. And I'm wondering, are you seeing similar types of tensions because at that time there was some tension as some people who had started off, some of these projects are gotten involved for certain reasons. Now you have all these companies potentially involved who are interested in maybe making use of this for real practical applications where they can do content storage in a decentralized model. Are you seeing any sort of this innovators dilemma where you started off with one group and now you're shifting in terms of making this available as part of a solution or something in an enterprise context? Yeah, well, I think we're definitely building on the shoulders of giants here in terms of the ability for open source code to be used in an enterprise. And we are fully open source and Filecoin has been great for enterprise. I think it's because it's a really compelling alternative to these traditional centralized storage intermediaries. And not only do you have the sort of story around the decentralized web and the narrative and the way that it addresses the issues with the centralized web. But it's also, I think, very compelling economically because we have these dynamic markets, the Filecoin marketplaces, very dynamic market for data storage. And so I think enterprises are really picking up on that. And so that includes obviously file storage securing large datasets and also verifying data, which is a whole, as we heard from Jonathan Doton earlier, which is a whole new, really important area. And it really allows people to develop self-publishing alternatives, for example. Just to give you a few examples, we have something called Slate that is building on top of Filecoin. It's basically like Dropbox for Filecoin makes it really easy to store your files as an individual user built on top of Filecoin. We have something called Fleek building on top of us, which lets you build websites and apps, which are stored on the Filecoin network and built in a way that's permissionless and trustless and free of centralized gatekeepers. So I would say I think there's a lot of enterprise adoption and I think there's a lot more in the foreseeable future. It's really, we're really starting to see that, we're really starting to see things tip in that regard. And I think we only have a few minutes remaining here. So I'll maybe leave on a question of how does somebody get started with Filecoin? How do you start using it or participating or if you're a company, how do you start engaging as someone who's building a solution on it? Well, one of the things that's so great is that we are fully open source. So it's actually very easy to engage with us and our code and you don't even have to interact with humans if you don't want to. But if you don't mind interacting with humans, one of the things that the foundation is doing is really trying to build our ecosystem and make sure that we're spurring growth in the Filecoin ecosystem. So we have all sorts of developer grants and other grants that are available. We have lots of events and hackathons and we're really trying to invest in the ecosystem and make sure that it takes off in the way that it can. So lots of opportunities, if you're building on top of Filecoin or interested in building on top of Filecoin to work with the Filecoin Foundation to do that. Sounds good. Well, Marta, I appreciate you joining us today and thank you and all of the developers and those involved in Filecoin and IPFS for enabling an infrastructure that I think could potentially help solve challenges around preserving some of the most important content that we have, whether it be genocidal records or even Supreme Court case links, which I know many attorneys in our ecosystem would like to have more readily available. So thank you very much for your help and Brian, I'll pass it back to you. Thank you.


Okay, well H-Bomber Guy, okay, Harry. That's my name. Don't address me as mine, just tell me. I have to, I have to. It's the law because you've done an internet thing, which means I've got to address you by your internet moniker. That's what people younger than me tell me you have to do. Yeah, yeah, plus it doesn't help that sort of a lot of the work I do prior to this, I operate under a sort of persona where I've kind of invented a character who I play in my work who's distinct from who I am. I mean, who are you at the moment? My actual name is Harry Bruis. I'm streaming under that name because I guess it felt disingenuous to continue playing a persona when this stuff happened. But Harry Spomber Guy, the character is the person I play in a lot of the videos that I make where I'm sort of trying to, I like to bring people in on a joke. So if I play a character who's obviously flawed in their own way, it sort of draws people in and sort of, I think, helps make people feel involved in whatever's happening. So I really want to talk about that and how people create personas, particularly through streaming platforms, create a sense of community. Oh my God, that is ginormous. Sorry, yeah. Is that a character element or is that just the normal amount of water you drink? I heard once a very long time ago, you should always drink far more water than you think. And I think, oh, that'll make my complexion much nicer, my skin will be great. It just makes you need to go to the bathroom all the time. I mean, the bathroom when you called me to say this was ready to go. I mean, you could have like streamed, I think, whilst on the loo and it would have felt intimate, you know? Actually, the first thing I filmed for the new video is a Gillette razor in the toilet. I'm doing a piece about the response to the Gillette commercial. I'm not sure if you've...  Yes, that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to do it to re-enact the guy who took a picture of his razor in the toilet and then, you know, re-enact the seconds after where he realized he had to either actually flush his razor or take it out. There's one question that we ask of the guy, right?  But then is it worth it for you to either ruin your plumbing or touch diluted excrement to send up the guy who also was faced with that choice or did you have, like, a litter picker to, like, be able to do it at a distance or chopsticks? That's a really good... No, no, I just put my hand in. No, no, I'm kicking myself about that. But it made for hilarious internet video content and I, of course, could plan ahead so I got to pre-scrub my toilet. Oh, that's useful. That's better than when I dropped my phone down the toilet, which... Oh, yeah, I recently threw my phone in the toilet for a different video. I've got a lot of use out of armoured shanks. I should get sponsored by them. That might be... I was going to say, ultimately, do you think the internet has been good for you?   It's hard returning back to reality. Sometimes when I shut my eyes, I briefly see a flash of a blue cartoon beaver taunting me. I don't think that'll ever go away. I felt like I would stop having nightmares about Donkey Kong if I could just beat the game, finally. It was like a form of immersion therapy. There's a website called speedruns.com.net. I forget which one. There's a speedrunning website that records the fastest everyone's beaten a lot of different games and a lot of different categories, different ways of beating them. And I thought, wouldn't it be great to beat the game so completely that I got on that list? And I did it in one sitting, so it can't be disputed. Everyone saw it. And then it's like I actually did it. I finally really finished this thing. But it can't go on the leaderboard because I technically used the wrong hardware. Which means that next year we have to do it again. We have to do it on the real hardware. Maybe this time I'll run the stream properly. The whole thing was a total mess. My friend Pio is their name. They started a server for other people to come in and to sort of arrange the calls and stuff. And a lot of people kind of dawned on people faster than me that my fun thing I was going to do for I expected about six people was becoming an event without me realizing it. I kind of turned off my brain so I wouldn't panic. I mean, I guess you have to get into a meditative state for that much Donkey Kong. But I mean, it became huge. It was a phenomenon. When you realize a lot of people are watching something and you're making ten times, or perhaps even more than that, the amount of money you ever expected to make, me and my friend Sean, who gave me the idea to do this, we did a charity thing last year at Halloween and we raised about 3,000 pounds for a special effect, which is a charity for disabled people. And I thought it's going to be about that big and I kind of prepared myself for the long haul of doing this for hours and hours with barely anyone watching. At least I'd have done it. And when it hit me that people actually were watching and people were donating, when we'd passed my first goal of $500 before I was done apologizing for starting late, part of me went, oh, this is more than I prepared. And then that bit went away and someone else started handling all the difficult jobs of actually getting guests in. I mean, so why do you think it became so huge?  Yeah, I think it was one of those things where Graham Lennon is almost a cipher. He's awful, but he's also just, he's almost, he doesn't exist, he's this empty vessel upon which we can use to talk about a much wider and deeper problem. Graham doesn't even think he's transphobic, because you know, he's got at least two trans friends. So obviously there's no problem there. But his... Like kind of saying I'm not misogynist, my wife's a woman. Yeah, my wife's a woman.  I'm also saying, hey, this thing is bad and it's okay to say it is. I think really I gave everyone who already did feel that way an excuse to say it. I think sometimes people feel like they need a reminder that it's okay, if that makes sense. So what do you make of the anti-trans backlash? Because one of the things that I find quite confusing is other than the specifics of the GRRA, is that a lot of the sort of legal safeguards and rights for trans people have been secured years ago. So the discussion over toilets and changing rooms has already years out of date. And it seems to be that now, particularly I think with the editorial line that The Times has taken, the editorial that was published by The Guardian, and then this sort of online coterie of famous for doing other things and they're now prominent transphobes. Why do you think that's come together at this time? I think what's happened essentially is people who are, let's not say right-wing, are regressive, or it's a bit of a, it's the same thing twice there really, but are always trying to find a new way to articulate their bad ideas. We've reached a point now where it's, you're not allowed to say that stuff about gay people.  You're not allowed to say that anymore. So they have to find someone else to target with those beliefs. A lot of people on the stream had a lot of trans guests on said this is a wedge issue to try and separate the LGBT community and a lot of people who really want to feel like they're being the good feminists will get on board behind convincing sounding arguments that they're coming into the bathroom with your kids. And so that gets people riled up and it doesn't really matter what the truth is or respect these things go out of the window and it becomes I'm being the best feminist by trying to defund a charity that helps children. Effectively, it's a trick by people who are even worse than Graham to get Graham on their side and it's worked. And there was a very funny moment where Graham said something very rude and aggressive to one of the guests on my stream and they replied to him on Twitter with hi Piers Morgan, I love your work. And that was Lindsay Ellis, who's an awesome YouTuber who kind of helped set all this up, along with a lot of other people who I'm going to insist on listening. Yeah, no, name drop, name drop away. And that kind of highlights the point of this, which is trans issues by way of being kind of the next thing after sort of homophobia or racism are a way of bringing back in all of these arguments and finding a new audience in the form of people who think that they're being progressive by doing it. But it's not working. You know, Graham has kind of accidentally done amazing promotion for this issue by being so obviously wrong, so inarticulate and so angry that it becomes incredibly obvious where the truth is. So I do genuinely want to say thanks, Graham, for helping get attention on this issue. You also made a bit of a name for yourself through debunking. You sort of measured response format for taking a claim and investigating it and taking something that's absurd and then plumbing it to the very depths of its absurdity. And one of the things that has been coming up again and again with mermaids has been this sort of conspiratorial, this is what they're really doing. You know, they're trying to force children into taking puberty blockers, hormonal therapy, surgery before they can make informed decisions about their bodies. So do you have a debunking for that stuff? Well, this is one of the things that makes my job very hard is you have to figure out when the evidence is the point, when you have to debunk it and then people will go, oh, I was wrong. And when that's not the point and the point is they want to believe they're right and no matter how much you argue the evidence, it doesn't matter. That was never really the point. You see that a lot with, for example, with Graham. You can see a lot of geneticists or biologists or psychologists contacting Graham to say, actually, puberty isn't reversible, but if you block puberty and then you change your mind, you can go through it again afterwards. You just stop taking the puberty blockers. It's fine. It's how the body works. He will ignore that, never respond to it until he finds another doctor with the worst credentials who says, I don't think so. I've got a degree in economics and I think, you know, or Robert Webber reckons, but he will step over all of these people, this pool of knowledgeable people correcting him to say, look at this trans person who called me a turf. That's a slur. Look at this person with a beard coming to get me because that's the only way to message being this wrong. So to actually say, let's get into the weeds of the evidence is missing the point. However, or I looked into it obviously before I decided to come out in support of a charity, almost all of the things they bring up are just very clearly doing, digging to sort of position this charity which basically provides support to children and their families. It's literally just advice for parents who don't know any of this stuff when their kid starts talking to them about it. They're just looking at any event and possibly go, look at this horrible thing they did. There was a judge who really overstepped the mark in their ruling and the comments they made. So they can go, well, look, here's a judge saying what we want them to say when that's just someone else reckoning. It's nothing to do with the truth or the biology of it all. And having known people who knew they were trans from a very young age, there being more of a discussion and more availability of this information so that people can actually think about this stuff is tremendously useful. But if you think trans people are fake and it's all imaginary, then this strikes you as children being tricked into thinking they're trans when they're actually not. But the truth is actually the complete opposite. People are now more free than ever to discover the truth about themselves because we're finally talking about it. Trans people have been around for a very long time, but they've not been very visible and it's happening now and people are perceiving it as suddenly there's all these trans people. No, they were always there and a lot of them didn't even really know it. Yeah.  They're a transphobe and it's always just the sort of unpleasant like, oh, okay. And it always seems to be people that were involved in comedies like 20 years ago. I don't know why that sort of an incubator of transphobia, but then it's like AOC voice of Donkey Kong himself got the guy behind Doom coming out and coming out for trans liberation, for trans rights. Did you realise that was the scale of support that was out there on this issue? That was the thing that when we I actually started to cry at one point when I realised how wrong I'd been. I'd assumed, oh, maybe a couple of people would retweet it, but no one really cares that much. I'd been prepared for a very depressing and very long evening and at some point it hit me that I'd been completely off the mark and there were so many people who'd basically been waiting for an excuse for charity and do good for people, and a lot of people had thought about this and cared, and that really I did almost break down at one point. But I hadn't expected any of it, but it's really wonderful knowing we also had Josh Sawyer came on, we had people who worked on Guitar Hero and Rock Band come on to say we exist where here, it's not just allies there are people who are trans in the industry all over the place and they've always been there, and that's been really it's been nice knowing that there are so many people who actually do care. Because we tend to think of gamer culture as something which is broadly aligned with the alt-right and I'm actually, I'm like the most technophobic person on the planet like I'm like an auntie who's like having to navigate a phone, like the whole thing, terrifying and one of the things that I find in particular quite terrifying is YouTube. I've always been trying to make more of a presence on YouTube and it's where I go if I feel I need to reduce my self-esteem by like 30% by reading like 100 comments on how I need to shave my moustache but you've been a part of and not just yourself but you know lots of the names that you've been dropping I've been part of trying to engineer like a bit of an insurgency I mean how do you go about doing that what's the value of gaming and doing that what's the value of streaming and doing that I think sometimes people need to realise that games are never just about games we find games interesting because they reflect our lives and they reflect real issues and there are chances for us to think about things in new ways I didn't get into any of this to be political or change culture I got into this to talk about stuff that I happen to enjoy and it turns out that if you take an even slightly gestalt approach to a topic and say well this also deals with this this is what a game has to say about dialectics or here is here's what a piece of media has to say about society you reach a point where suddenly you're getting people to think about a topic in a way they hadn't before I think the right exists very strongly on YouTube partially because they're incredibly well funded the Koch brothers have given millions of dollars to a lot of people to ensure that they have a very established presence pushing for freer markets and worse healthcare it's kind of strange what do we like, white supremacy we like forcing trans people out of public life but also we like people having the freedom to smoke themselves into lung cancer and then not have the healthcare to deal with it that's the sort of array of political positions it's a very interesting kind of freedom and you see it revealed when my go to example right now is when Jerry Seinfeld told I think it was Seinfeld, it might be Jerry Springer told a joke at a university campus and no one laughed and it wasn't a very funny joke it wasn't anything to do with political correctness I forget what it was, it was like some it was what's the deal with airplane food 2.0 no one laughed and you could see on his face oh am I not funny, no it's them and from then on he was very anti-political correctness and the lesson there is that when they say oh we should be free to tell whatever jokes we want, they actually are what they want is this new freedom, the freedom to be laughed at and told you're funny even when you're not which is a very bizarre freedom they don't realise it's actually a little bit secretly fascist I mean it's not freedom right, it's power yeah you want the freedom to always win that's the mindset that millionaires get into they think that freedom is being infringed upon if you can't pay someone to knock their own teeth out or if you can't crush unions or something like that but but there's a whole band of people who aren't millionaires I mean I don't think Sargon of Akkad or Karl of Swindon whatever we're calling him is a millionaire, it's just these sort of these guys who are temporarily embarrassed millionaire obviously working their way up but on top of that when you have a lot of media out there that's run by people with a specific agenda or mindset then you're going to get that mindset replicating itself even in the people who don't benefit at all from that system I've met a lot of people who benefit from marginal tax rates worried that if they somehow one day make a lot of or worry about the estate tax whether they're worried that if they at some point own a house which they never will because they're millennials they're worried that if they die that the kids the theoretical kids might have to pay taxes on it and that's because people have invested in making sure that's what you're worried about and not your rights I think the power of YouTube is that you can't control it it is in a way free so eventually ideas do develop and you get people like contrapoints or like Sean or philosophy tube and to have or three arrows over in Germany or to a much lesser extent me you're going this stuff is obviously wrong and we can actually point it out and then because the truth does you know can't actually be escaped no matter how much you pay or how hard you put your fingers in your ears Graham it starts to develop and I think the recent growth hasn't been us doing anything particularly clever I'm not clever at all I played Donkey Kong for hours that's literally all I did what's happening is all the people who were always there are going oh wait hang on I can think a bit more about this and that's all it really takes I think I think there's just something about the combination of like the simplicity of what you did just play Donkey Kong for ages and it's got this tie I think for loads of us because of nostalgia like I remember playing it with my cousins it's also kind of non-threatening like I don't think you could have done it with GoldenEye or maybe next time you could do it with GoldenEye I was thinking what do I stream tonight because tonight's one of the nights I normally stream I could just play Counter-Strike and just hang out but that's actually sort of not a fun game to watch people play I'm very lucky that Donkey Kong is a child-friendly game it's very quiet it was a fun fact Donkey Kong originally had guns in it and they replaced them with fruit because they thought that would be sort of more on-brand and I think that kind of attitude the kind of let's build an environment that is still stuff still happens it's still violent but it's safe it's fruit I think that's the kind of attitude I wanted to endeavor in it where it's theoretically a spiteful stream let's get Graham but what it really is is let's talk about these issues in a way and help some people it was really about mermaids it was never really about Graham What's the response of Graham been? The response has been to paraphrase this isn't an exact quote I am completely off my rocker please give more money to mermaids he just said it in a very bizarre way by just screaming at everyone who came out in support of trans people it doesn't help but feel very sorry for his imaginary assistant Yes, I feel incredibly sorry like part of me in my head is thinking of the strategy the optics of the situation part of me wants to genuinely say stop tweeting Graham if you genuinely want to stop if you don't want to make this any worse stop advertising for us that's all you have to do but he seems dedicated to helping by making a complete ass of himself and you know thanks but I don't think that's what you wanted so like what you're saying is essentially like Graham Linehan sleeper agent in turf twitter comrade Graham There's this great television show which I think he might have heard of called Father Ted and there's an episode called The Passion of St. Tibulus that's about the fathers they come out and they protest against a film that's playing that's apparently very controversial and their protest makes it the most popular film to ever play in that theatre and he seems to have forgotten the plot of his story where you know he's the one doing it like it's this perfect storm of like this is a script the clever man Graham Linehan used to be would have written now if there was any sense left but I think when you get this committed to a cause even when it turns out you're wrong you have to keep going Graham is now locked in but we can get all of his fans all the people who actually are open minded it's been very very fun going to twitter and checking his follow account and watching it go down watching his people go I can't stand this anymore I followed you because I liked black books or the IT crowd but at this point it's not worth it that's been very very fun to watch the thing that got highlighted the sort of perhaps the most fun moment of the stream for me it wasn't asking a sitting congresswoman how to be how to turn on the factory in Donkey Kong it was when someone mentioned a GoFundMe page that they were funding for a wheelchair and when they looked back about 10 minutes later they made past the goal I realised that there are so many people out there for whom what is a very small amount of money could radically change their life there's a hashtag on twitter right now it's trans crowdfund and it's people saying hey this much money would make a tremendous difference it would help me get to a safe place or get out of bad situations and that's the main thing I want to bring up is the work has to continue and I don't think it will stop I think people have begun to wake up to just how much good they can do and that's really excellent thank you so much for joining us today it's been a really fun interview to conduct thank you so much for having me on it's really lovely of you to approach me to do this and you've been really great thank you next time can you do 57 hours of Donkey Kong for Navarra someone has to try to destroy you first Graham can you try to destroy Navarra media next


We would like for you to share the journey of you being here. How did you hear about Hungry Generation? How did you come about it? So just let's go ahead and start from there. Well, I actually took a wrong turn and saw the sign outside, and I realized that it was a church. So I went online and I looked up the videos and saw how connected the church was. I saw on Instagram and Facebook and basically social media led me here. Wow. Wow. Come on. So you took the wrong turn. You came here. And how long has it been since you've been coming? Today is actually our seventh day, our third time. Wow. Wow. And I know that you've shared that you received salvation just a little while back. Can you just tell us your experience there and go from what's happened afterwards? Well, we came here and I watched the Holy Spirit touch my husband and myself coming up to this altar. I felt the spirit within us and since then I have felt nothing but an overwhelming peace. I have received blessings. I am so grateful for our Father and for Hungry Generation for bringing us here, bringing us to this point. Yes. And can you tell us what just happened yesterday, the announcement that you received? Well, initially I had applied for a job and I had gone through the hiring process and been hired. On Friday I received a call that I was not able to proceed with the hiring process because of my past. And so I sat there and I prayed and I thought about it and I asked my Lord, what do I do? And he told me, call her back. So I called the woman back and I asked her, is there any way that I can write an email to the corporate office myself to get help? And she said, you know, no one's ever done that. No one's ever tried that. So go ahead, what can it hurt? And so I did and the Lord was with me when I wrote that email. That was on Friday. On Saturday morning I received a call back saying, we received your email and we're going to proceed with hiring you. I have a career. I can support my family. Thanks to our God. Amen. And that's powerful that Holy Spirit guided you to make those decisions and gave you favor for that door to be wide open, even if the past was against you. So tell us, can you elaborate a little bit on the steps that you took when you were discouraged and what were the steps that you took outside of the prayer? Just tell us a little bit about the journey, what you did to feed your faith. Well, I actually watched a video from Mariana herself about how our God, she had the anointing water and how our God, what was it? The job breakthrough. Yeah, it was her job breakthrough. The day before I had watched that. And before that, I had said the serenity prayer and asked for God to give me the power to accept the things that I cannot change and so on and so forth. And in that video, you said that God qualifies, the unqualified and he did that for me. Amen. Amen. I wanted her to share that specifically is because with testimonies, we want it to be a ripple effect. We want you to get it when you hear someone receive a job breakthrough, a healing, a deliverance, whatever it is, knowing that if you were to watch it even online or to hear it, it can happen to you as well. Amen. And that is what happened to her. She received a job breakthrough even when the odds were against her. Amen. Let's give God a hand of applause for that. Amen. That is the power of a testimony. That is what God wants for us. Amen. Now, Octavia, thank you so much for blessing us with your salvation journey, coming here to Hungry Gen through social media, being here with your wonderful family. We know that God has amazing things in store for you guys. What would you advise people that are here today if it's their first time or watching on social media right now about making that step of salvation? I'd say keep coming that the best is yet to come. This is the place to be. Give all of your worries and all of your pain to God. He will take everything away and bless you in ways you could not imagine. Amen. Amen. Thank you so much, Octavia. Thank you. I hope this was a blessing to you. If you're like me and you like to click on things, click on this, subscribe to our channel and the content will come to you every time we post it. And remember, the best is yet to come.