is based in Satanism and we are starting right now. With Alex Stein's opening statement, thanks so much for being with us, Alex. The floor is all yours. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages, my name is Primetime99 Alex Stein. I am the king of all conspiracy, and I come here tonight not to burst your bubble, not to take away your dream as a child, because I know when you were a young kid, probably the only time of your life that was ever happy was around Christmas time, was in the holidays. And as a child, your parents gave you presents, but that is not the true essence of what Christmas is. The Christmas that they give us today that they say is based in Christ, they say is December 25th is Jesus' birthday, which we know is false, because even the description in the Bible, it says that, you know, when he was born in a manger that the shepherds were out at night, and they wouldn't have been out at night if it was, you know, freezing cold in the middle of December. So we know that it wasn't Jesus' birthday. Any just layman Christian, and I'm not even one, will agree with you. They'll say, oh yeah, December 25th is not Jesus' birthday. But then it gets much deeper than that. So why does, why do we celebrate December 25th as Christmas? Well, it's based in paganism. Paganism, I would describe as before Christianity, and they would be described as being polytheists, having more than one God, like all the planets are named after God.  And during Saturnalia, from December 25th to January 2nd, this was their wildest festival. It was like Mardi Gras. They would have sex, they would, it would be lawlessness. As a matter of fact, the rich people would pretend to be poor, and the poor people, they would make like fake kings. And it was just, it was like the total upside down world. It was basically like purge, you know, they wouldn't be murdering each other, in essence. But they loved it. The orgies, I would have loved Saturnalia. The orgies you would have been doing, 69-ing all these random people, I would have been all up about Saturnalia if I was back then in that day. But what happened is, is Constantine wanted to popularize Christianity. And so at that same exact time when Constantine wanted to popularize Christianity in the 1600s, I mean not to, excuse me, way before the 1600s. We'll get into the 1600s. But when he wanted to popularize Christianity, he mixed together Christianity with Saturnalia so that the Christians would have a holiday. And I'm going to show you, I want to do a share screen here in two seconds because I'm going to show you where Pat Robertson describes that. But basically, I want to make a couple other points before I go into that. One of the main things that is based in paganism that even says in Jeremiah 10, it says not to cut down a tree into anointing it with gold and silver. Well, the reason why that's important because in pagan cultures, one of the most important symbols was the fir tree because the fir tree was the only tree that could stay green during the harsh winters. So in the north, they would see the only tree that would be able to last would be the fir tree. So how they created mistletoe is they used to like to cut the mistletoe and they used to like to fornicate under it because they thought they could use the essence of the mistletoe that would be able to create life. They would actually be able to have sex. And then that got repurposed into mistletoe, people kissing, you know, in northern Europe, you know. So what I'm saying is this is based in actual sexual stuff. So it's really dark, deep rooted stuff. And then then we get to Germany. You know, Germany is where they the formation of Santa Claus became center clause. This is before he was Santa Claus. He was center clause. And this figure center clause, he had a little helper called Krampus. Now Krampus was a half goat, half devilish figure. And Krampus would Krampus was the actual one that would go inside the chimneys and he would whip the bad kids with horsehair. And actually for that I want to let me do a screen share. Let me do a screen share, James, because I want to show one video. And then let me pull it up right here. Do this. And I want to show some clips. Okay. Screen share, share. All right, we're going to watch this video of Pat Robertson. He's this is him giving his base response of is Christian is is Christmas satanic. It's David who says we have friends who do not celebrate Christmas because they say December 25th is really a pagan holiday. While I agree that Jesus may not have been born on December 25th, he certainly was born as described in the Bible. How do I respond to them? Well, in a sense, tell them they're right. You see, the winter solstice a couple of days later was the shortest day of the year. And the pagans had something called Saturnalia. And it was a time of lawlessness because all the laws were suspended and people, the bunch of singers were actually wandered the streets naked singing.  It was a mass thing. Well, when the Catholic Church came along in Italy, the Romans and others didn't want to give up their holidays. So they said, OK, we'll Christianize it. And so they said, OK, we'll say the birth of Jesus was the 25th of December. And then there was a monk who began to add it up. You see, if you read in Luke, it says there's a census taken when Carinius was governor and so forth and so on. And they could take those leaders and figure the exact time dating from the foundation of Rome. And that's when the dates were established. And so they get pretty close to the date. But to say it's the 25th shepherd's route of biting in the field. It gets a little cold at night. I mean, were they out there in the middle of winter? I don't know. I've been out there on the shepherd's field on Christmas Eve. It's very nice. But it's cold. And nevertheless, I mean, what was going on? So all this business about mistletoe? Pagan. Christmas trees? Pagan. Giving out gifts? Pagan. Every bit of it is Pagan. Every single bit of it is Cable. We've Christianized it all. And so that's good. And so we have time. We celebrate for Jesus. Everybody gets all misty-eyed. But the truth is, they're all Pagan. But the birth of Jesus. But the intent of the heart is what it's about. Exactly. So we have Christianized all these things. We give gifts in the name of Jesus. Okay. And then I want to show you real quickly. This figure is Krampus, because he's important.  But Krampus was an evil satanic figure that is where, what happens? Let me stop sharing so I can explain this a little better. Let me just stop sharing. So how it works is in the 1600s, when the Puritans came over to America, they actually outlawed Christmas because it was so satanic. And it was snuck over by the Germans, by the Northern Europeans, because they liked it. But for them, it was their Halloween. They didn't celebrate Halloween. So that's why they did all the weird Krampus. That's why they have all the satanic figures. And as a matter of fact, in those cultures, in Northern Europe, Krampus overtook Santa Claus. There's actually an episode of the office starring Dwight Schrute, where he plays Santa Claus.  They reveal all this to us. So what I'm saying is, Santa Claus, the origin of Santa Claus that we have today, came over in the 1600s, and the Puritans actually outlawed it because it was satanic. But because the Europeans, they snuck it in, and a culture of Americans that were starting a new country that were actually short on holidays, because they gave up all the British holidays, eventually adopted a different form of Christmas. That form of Christmas that we see today was created by, believe me, follow me here, by the Coca-Cola Corporation in 1932. That is the Santa Claus you see. So America has its own version of Santa Claus, and his origin is based in satanism. And I can tell you, oh, well, why is Christmas satanic? Well, one of the biggest and most satanic things about Christmas is that you have to lie to your kid. And not only do you have to lie to him, but when you're a young parent or the young child, you have to work all year to buy your kid's presents. And then that one day a year when you give your kids the presents, you can't even take credit for it. You have to actually give the credit to an all-being, all-powerful, immortal figure with a beard based on Odin. And this character is based off another Greek mythology character, an Odin. An Odin would be on a sleigh. He had white horse. He had white hair. He was another satanic Greek God figure. But really where this comes into is what happens, why it is satanic is it's based in the whole entire story of Saturnalia. And Saturnalia, at the end of it, they would celebrate what was called, and I said this earlier, soul Invictus. And why soul Invictus is so important because soul Invictus was the God of Son. And why they repurpose it with Constantine, the reason he had to repurpose it was so that he can make Christianity more popular. And that's why he made it Jesus' birthday. So any Christian that's worth his salt, and will say that they'll admit that they know that Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus' birthday. And then you can go into the scripture. We can go into Jeremiah 10. I mean, there's so many scriptures. Let me just read Jeremiah 10. That can be my last thing. Jeremiah 10. Let's see about. So, for the practices of the peoples are worthless. They cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. They adorn it with silver and gold. They fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field, their idols cannot speak. They must be carried because they cannot walk. Do not fear them. They can do no harm, nor can they do any good. So what I'm saying is, they don't want you to worship a false idol. It's basically the same principle as this.  And the magician says, okay, I'll cast a love spell. And then you cast a love spell on that girl that you want to marry. And then you marry her. Think about the basis in which your marriage is. You wouldn't want to be a part of that marriage. You wouldn't want to be married to her because she was under a spell. And that's basically what Christmas is doing is you're using spells. And I know you're doing that subconsciously.  And I'm not saying that you are satanic or you worship the devil if you celebrate Christmas because it is based in your heart. But it doesn't matter. You're going against the Bible when you celebrate Christmas. You're going against what Jesus would do. Do you think Jesus would be a materialistic type person? No. He hardly ever ate. He changed clothes like once or twice. I don't even think he wore shoes a lot of the times. Yet the holidays, people are fighting at the Nike store for Air Jordans. That's the opposite. That's the literal opposite of Jesus Christ. So Christmas is the literal opposite of Christianity of Jesus. And we can modernize it today. And we can make it okay because Coca-Cola can pay an artist in 1932 to make a rendition of them. That is Jolly St. Nick. But it doesn't matter because you can polish a turd at the end of the day. It's still going to stink like a turd. And unfortunately, when you have a foundation based in paganism, based in a culture that worships multiple gods, that would be considered satanic to Islam, to Jewish people, to Christians, and definitely Scientologists. I don't know if that's true. I'm being kidding with that. That's a joke. I don't know what their position is on Christmas. But I'm just saying, actually, I don't think they celebrate Christmas, to be honest. So if you're out there, I don't want to burst your bubble, guys. I'm not out. Oh, I want to celebrate Christmas. I got the red tie. I actually have some Christmas lights out on my front yard. Why not? Because I want to be in the spirit. I want to have fun. But that's really what we are. We're getting in the spirit because what's happening during the winter solstice is this is the rebirth of the sun. We have the sun's shortest days. And now, eventually, the days will start to get longer on January 2nd. So this is a rebirth ritualistic time. And you know that. And that's the same reason why they spend a lot of this time being drunk.  So the Christmas we celebrate today isn't that much different than the Saturnalia that was practicing during the pagan times. Of course, it is a little different, but really and truly, it's very similar. And the red, the colors, everything about Christmas is polished in a way that you and I have been modernized to it. And we only see the cookie cutter sterile version. But if you know the truth about Santa, it's actually based in the sinister nature. Thank you. You got to thank you very much, Alex, for that opening statement and want to let you know, folks, several things we've got huge news. In particular, if it's your first time here at Modern Day Debate, we are a neutral platform hosting debates on science, religion and politics. And we hope you feel welcome no matter what block of life you were from. Also, huge news as we're releasing debates all the time. In particular, debates that are going to happen at our first in-person conference, Modern Day Debate Debate Con January 15th and 16th in Dallas, Texas, in person. I've got to show you guys, this may be the main event for the night. In particular, Kenny Boomer, as you can see at the bottom right of your screen and David Wood are going to debate. I'm not even going to say it on air. We hope that it doesn't get taken down. 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I'd also like to thank Mr. Stein for having the discussion with me as we approach the holiday season. Pardon your interruption. My interruption is just a bit is a bit quiet. If you're able to turn your mic up just a bit. Now it's actually the opposite of what let me see. Sorry about that. No worries at all. I do want to remind you folks while he's adjusting that both CJ and Alex are linked in the description. We always put our guests in the description as we really do appreciate them coming on. And so I'll kick it back over to you, CJ. Thanks for your flexibility. Is that any better? It is. Absolutely. Alrighty. Thank you very much. Yeah, so this is a topic which people of my ilk, namely Christian fundamentalists, are typically seen as arguing for the other side on and indeed against Christmas and the holidays more generally. And so if nothing else, I'm actually very happy to be here if only to show that many fundamentalist believers like myself are trying to clear up the conspiratorial craziness that many associate with our raking file as well as with our poor delete. The claim that Santa Claus is satanic or based in paganism is not true.  And I hope you like what I did there. It's like we're cuckoo for cocoa puffs, sands the cocoa and the sugar and the milk or anything else that could possibly make us feel a little bit of happiness. It's annoying and it's potentially even detrimental to the faith. How? Well, to be a little coy and illustrate with a fun parable, let me say me and Alex are competing hats salesman and we each approved approach, excuse me, a prospective customer with our hats. I offer the customer a holiday hat like, I don't know, maybe a Santa Claus hat potentially, not like that's relevant or anything like that to this conversation. And let's say he offers the customer a metal skull cap, which may or may not be made out of aluminum. Do I even have to finish the thought? Which hat do you want to be seen by the way really quick before I actually say that you're finished with this little diet tribe? I just want to be clear that I'm not even actually a Santa defender per se. If you feel you shouldn't lie to your kids about a magical old flying man from the North Pole, I totally hear you. And if you feel like Santa is too secularized or commercialized, that's fine by me. No argument. If you feel Santa distracts from the reason for the season, namely Jesus Christ and his birth, I'm actually totally in agreement. But if you feel like Santa is a satanic plot or a Christianized pagan god or anything else of that sort, I'm sorry, you're just not well informed. And almost nobody is. So don't sweat it. But let's go ahead and get into some of the details. So first things first, let's give a brief history of Santa. This is going to be a very oversimplified, excuse me, look at things. But of course, time is limited. So I have to be oversimplified. And others have done much more in-depth studies. It all starts with a bishop in a city called Myra. And what today we would refer to as Turkey. St. Nicholas is born on March 15th, 270 AD, originally in Petara, then moving to Myra, to a wealthy Greek family of Christians and clergy. He would travel all over modern-day Turkey and the Levantine region, which would be like Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Israel, that whole kind of thing, giving gifts to the poor and making pilgrimage to Israel before eventually returning to Myra to succeed his uncle as Bishop of Myra sometime before the Great Persecution, which begins around 303 AD and ends around 313. During this Great Persecution, the emperor Diocletian and others subjugated the church to the worst persecution that they had faced up until that point. Yes, even worse than what Simone Barcava and Nero had subjugated the church to. And Nicholas is said to have been imprisoned and tortured for his faith, spending an unknown amount of time in this predicament before being freed on orders of Emperor Constantine, probably by the edict of Milan, though nobody's exactly sure how long he's spent in there. He is said after this to have been an ardent defender of Trinitarianism, potentially even attending the Council of Nicaea, though we don't actually know this to be true, and this is actually likely not true. A famous story from this, though again likely not actually true, actually speaks of St. Nick being in Nicaea and punching the heretic Arius square in the jaw for actually being there and speaking his heresies. Again, there's not actually some truth to that story, but it's just kind of interesting considering the jolly nature that we associate with St. Nick today. He is said to have been an advocate for the falsely accused, a gift giver to children and the poor and oppressed, and even a miracle worker, though of course many are going to doubt that latter portion. He would pass away at the ripe old age of 73 on December 6, 343 AD, and December 6 to this day is celebrated as his feast day by those who celebrate that sort of thing like Anglicans and Orthodox and so on. It's quite a long time before he actually becomes associated with the different traits and qualities, we'd say Santa. We call Santa very long before he actually becomes Santa, and it's a really slow process to actually get him there. His reputation as a gift giver obviously could come all the way back from himself actually, right, because it's likely held in truth, but it's not actually attested to until Michael, the Archimandrite, and that is from his life of St. Nicholas in the middle 800s. His association with children and holiday gift giving comes in around the 11th century and in Germany, but the holiday he's associated with is actually not Christmas, but December the 6th, which again is his feast day. Martin Luther is the first to propose the idea of the Christkindle from whence we derive our Christkringle, excuse me, and he would give gifts on Christmas instead of St. Nick's Day as a way of moving away from the veneration of saints, though Nicholas would still actually remain very popular amongst Protestants, especially in the Netherlands where he is referred to as centerclubs, you heard that. So fast forward to the 19th century in America, and Christmas has become a rather debaucheryous rabble of a holiday, and there are many of the Dutch immigrant communities of New York who wanted to return the Holy Day to its holy roots in a propaganda campaign to sort out the sort of details here and familiar, excuse me, I sort of wrote this word, I thought it was clever, but I guess it's not because I can't even read it, but famillify, make it more family-like, right, Christmas. The figure of Santa Claus was born from the centerclubs that these Dutch already knew, with his bishop getting, get up being changed out for a standard Dutch winter suit so that he would appear to be less Catholic. The Coca-Cola campaign that was referenced would actually come a century after that, and then of course this would export the image all over the world. In between these two periods in that century, you would have the additions of things like reindeer and elves and things of that nature, and this was typically done as well as the later addition of people like Yolobuki and other stuff like that and other cultures. This was typically done in an attempt to romanticize old Europe, the whole romantic movement tried to, in a sort of semi-nationalistic but also semi-artistic way, romanticize the old movements, the old cultures, the old pagan traditions, this is why people started to refer to Christmas as Yul and other sorts of things like that, right, and this doesn't happen until very, very far into the future, right? So that's the actual history of Santa Claus. As you can see, there is no addition from paganism anywhere, and so since we've gotten that out of the way very quickly, I'd like to respond to some of the things that were said since I do have a little bit of time. The first thing is just to simply note that the idea that the Coca-Cola campaign created Santa Claus is factually inaccurate. There are pictures of Santa Claus in the full getup that we understand today from Thomas Nash and others dating back to the 1860s, which of course is something like 60 years, 70 years, I think, before we actually had the Coca-Cola campaign. So that definitely doesn't work. The other thing, of course, is a lot of the things that were brought up is that, no disrespect, they had nothing to do with the topic, right? I mean, I could go on and on about how it is absolutely ridiculous to associate Christmas with Santa Nalia or how it doesn't make any sense to say that Jeremiah 10 is somehow against Christmas trees or to go on about the tradition of the Christmas tree and whether or not it's Boniface or not and all these other different things, right? But the thing is it has nothing to do with the topic. We're talking about Santa Claus and whether or not he's based in paganism. We're not talking about Christmas and whether or not it's based in paganism. That's a different topic. We're not talking about Christmas trees and whether or not they're based in paganism. That's a different topic, right? And so if Alex Stein wants to waste all of his time talking about a bunch of things which people have debunked well before me, I can tell you that it is currently between 50 and 60 degrees in Israel as we speak in December and sheep are comfortable in anything as low as 45. So Jesus could have been born in December. And I can tell you that the fact that he has to list three different holidays, Sol Invictus, Santa Nalia, and the solstice is proof positive that he doesn't actually know which holiday he thinks Christmas is based in. I can point out to you guys that it's very clearly established that there was a celebration of Jesus's birthday on December 25th, referenced by Hippolytus of Rome in the 2nd century or potentially the early 3rd century, and how the dosage or Donatist, excuse me, who split off from the Christian Church in 311, celebrated only those Christian holidays which were already established by that point, and that includes the December 25th Christmas. I could go on about all of these different things, but the thing is they would be irrelevant and would waste our time because they have nothing to do with the topic. The topic is Santa Claus in particular, based in Satanism, based in paganism, no evidence has been presented to even actually hint to anything of the sort. We got something about Krampus, but Krampus is introduced some 500 years after St. Nicholas becomes popular. And by the way, not even in the Nordic countries, Krampus is introduced in Austria, so that's a little fun fact there. How much time do I have left out of curiosity? About six minutes left. Six minutes left. See, that's kind of, I'm going to go ahead and pontificate for a minute because the fact that I've just completely decimated this argument in four minutes is sort of the point. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, there is absolutely nothing behind the pagan rituals in Christmas kind of crowd, nothing at all. They want to say, well, he was based on Odin. You heard that very briefly reference. He was based on Odin. There is this idea of Odin as the Yulnir or the Yule bringer. The problem with that is that Odin as the Yule bringer doesn't do anything that Santa Claus does. He doesn't give gifts to children. He doesn't give gifts specifically associated with Yule. He doesn't ride on a slave pulled by reindeer, nor does he live at the North Pole, nor does he have little elf henchmen. He doesn't do any of the things that Santa Claus does. What he does do is lead the ghostly damned on a hunt. Sounds a lot like Christmas, doesn't it? Sounds exactly like Santa Claus. That to me is clear and obvious evidence that Santa is based off of Odin. And I don't even know why any of you guys are just bringing it. Of course I'm being sarcastic because it's ridiculous. The wild hunt has nothing to do with the idea of giving gifts to children every December 25th. There's also of course the problem that none of the holidays mentioned, including Yule, which would be the holiday that Odin would be associated with, are actually on December 25th. Not a single one of them. Not a single one of them. And this has been a fact very, very clearly debunked by many before me. You could look at Dr. Taylor Marshall. You could look at inspiring philosophy. Again, we could go into this ad infinitum, but it does kind of distract from the point. And to be honest with you, I could ramble all day and all night, but the fact of the matter is we have a history that we know. We have a mythology that we know this isn't satanic. It isn't pagan. It's something that started in the 18th to 19th century based off of a very well known bishop from the fourth century. Nothing to do with paganism. And I'll just go ahead and yield my time. We can get into it. You got it. Thank you very much, CJ, for that opening statement. I want to give you some updates, folks. In particular, in addition to this upcoming conference, we're still doing our regular debates such as tonight, which is epic. And we've got another one this coming Tuesday. Randall Richardson, president of Canadian atheists, will be taking on Muslim debater Nadira Mad. It is going to be a juicy one, folks. In particular, what is best for the world in the future? Islam or atheism? You don't want to miss that. So hit that subscribe button. And with that, thanks so much, Alex and CJ. The floor is all yours. Well, just the first point I want to make is you got mad that I brought up Jeremiah and the fir tree. And I think the fir tree is a direct symbol of Christmas. And you're trying to separate Santa Claus from Christmas. This debate is about Christmas, too. So I'm just saying, I don't know if you don't want to talk about Christmas at all. We can only talk about Santa. Is that how you want to do the rest of the debate? Well, that is literally the topic. That's like, that's just standard debate practice.  So you're telling me Santa and Christmas trees would not be considered a similar enough topic to consider No, no, they would not. If you want to debate on Christmas trees, we can do that some other time. Your interpretation of Jeremiah 10 is hilarious. But no, we that's just not accurate. The position because you know, it goes against everything you say, because it says not to do that in the Bible. Yet you do that. That's what it's not true, but it is the issue of Santa. What I'm saying is Santa sits next to the tree. So the Santa sitting next to this satanic item, the tree that it says specifically not to worship, not to idolize. So that means that I just got to ask you one question. Do you know any Christians who worship or idolize the tree? Everyone that cuts one down and puts it in the living room and that's idolizing in your that's what the definition of idolizing. Okay, my definition is that we're not going to read all that. You obviously don't know what the dictionary says. So let's get back to the same spot, please. All right, I have to mute. Pardon my muting, but there's a lot of pleasure to get out of this. So I have muted you. I do want to say both of you just to be fair. We just to be sure everybody gets to hear your guys' cases be made because they really do. We just want to be sure there's not too much interrupting. So I'm going to unmute both of you and we'll give it another go. We're going to jump into three minute segments if there's, if it doesn't settle down a bit. Well, no, I mean, I'll just go first. I'm just saying Christmas trees is a big part of Christmas. It's a big part of Santa folklore. So we can go into, we cannot talk about the tree. We can go back to center clause and Krampus. Now, you totally disregarded that the idea of elves that we have today came from the idea of Krampus. So and center clause, you agree to that, right? I know, I don't think that's necessarily accurate, but it's not even relevant though, because Krampus is actually an addition to the center clause story. Some 500 years after St. Nicholas. It's the elf version. It's the elf. Yes. But again, center clause, it comes about like 500 years. To give you an idea of 500 years, 500 years ago, America didn't exist, right? 500 years ago, Scotland and the United, excuse me, in England, were not the same country. 500 years ago, the Protestant Reformation literally happened last year. So that's how long ago 500 years was. And 500 years separates the first mentions of Krampus in Austria, by the way, not in the Nordic countries, in Austria, from the Danish idea of center clause. So it's not relevant to the origin of center clause. You're telling me that center clause, the base, okay, we'll see. You're just not based in reality, CJ. Hang on. Tell me what I just got wrong, because I just gave you. Because that, because I can tell you the formation of how it happened. He went from in Germany, in that culture, they had center clause in Krampus. And the Puritans in the 1600s, in America, outlawed Christmas because it was satanic. You didn't talk about that. You didn't talk about how the Puritans outlawed Christmas originally because it was satanic. So they had to sneak in Christmas. It's Santa Claus. Stick to the debate talk. Well, I'm telling you.  Do you not know how to stick to a thesis? We're not talking about that. It's not Christmas. It is not December 25th, Santa Claus. And because Christmas was outlawed, because they couldn't celebrate the Christmas that they celebrate in Europe, because they couldn't do the center clause one, because center clause was based in Satanism, they had to change it. They had to make it more jolly. They had to base it off a fake character who even the Catholic Church denounces Vatican I and Vatican II that St. Nicholas never existed. They had to do that in order to hide it. So then you didn't mention as well that the mixture of Constantine and Paganism, and this is just how smart you are. You're the only Christian I've ever talked to that will say that Jesus was born on December 25th. So, yeah, I'm a master debater because it just shows you don't have any idea. You're the only Christian that I've ever heard say that. So it just shows you're not based in reality, bud. I could literally name a couple off the top of my, in fact, I already named it inspiring philosophy and Taylor Marshall. So I have actually already name dropped too. But nonetheless, that's just besides the point. So let's see. There's a couple of things you said. You said the crampus thing. Let's definitely get to that. I want to go ahead and read you a quote, okay? Because you don't want to take my word for it. That's perfectly fine. So this is a quote from John Honigman, who's the Professor of Anthropology, or at least was at North Carolina University from his book, The Masked Face. He says, quote, Nicholas himself became popular in Germany around the 11th century. Masked devils acting boisterously and making nuances of themselves are known in Germany since at least the 16th century. That's a 500 year separation with Nicholas preceding this crampus figure by 500 years. Do you understand how that means this is irrelevant to the origin? The crampus character was introduced at the same time as Sinterklaas. No, I literally just read you a scholar who tells you otherwise. Listen, that's what, that's your depiction of it, but I've heard. And you gave me a source that says otherwise.  I don't have them pulled up, but I'm telling you. Of course you don't. You of course you don't have them pulled up. Because the folklore of Sinterklaas, you admit this, Sinterklaas? No, I just find this shows how you are. You admit the Sinterklaas is Satanic yet it's so close to the modern day Santa Claus. You're saying, oh, our Santa Claus is different than the Sinterklaas. It just shows you, you're not... Sinterklaas is Satanic. You're actually lying, which is actually something to seem pretty quite often. But nonetheless I want to get to the point. Hang on, hang on, hang on. I know you don't appreciate your spaking, Mr. Stein, but let me go ahead and spank you some more. You're not spanking me. Is Sinterklaas a good... putting both of you on mute. So we do have to go into these two to three minute segments just because it has been surprisingly rowdy. I just, okay, here we go. So what we're going to do is I'm asking you to unmute. You're okay, but we're going to jump into those segments just to be sure it doesn't go off the rails here. So I am going to start with Alex, if you'd like to give your response, I'll give you two minutes and then we've got to kick it over to CJ for two minutes. So it's got to be no longer than 120 seconds. The floor is all yours. Well, it just makes me upset because anybody that can do one second of research about center clause, and that was the episode of the office, is based in pagan culture. And the center clause character is the basis of the Santa Claus character that we have today because they had to sneak it in through Europe. He doesn't want to admit that. And he wants to say that Krampus was not created until after the 1600, which is false. Krampus was a character that was based off of Baphomet out of the Bible. That is a half goat, half human character. So he doesn't want to talk about this. He gets mad at me for talking about Christmas trees because that's a big part of Christmas. And then the Bible says you're not supposed to do that. That's a sin. That is based out of Satanism and polytheism, which goes against God, which is satanic in nature. So it's just upset. He's getting mad at me because I'm bringing up points that have a direct relation to Santa Claus. But because he can't argue those points, he has to get mad at me for talking about it. I mean, this is the weirdest debate I've ever seen that we can't even talk about subjects that are very pertinent to the argument that we're making live right now in front of, you know, hundreds of people. Go ahead, CJ. Oh, I think you might be on mute yet. Sorry, I thought that was a new thing. The only I just want to point out the only source we've actually gotten so far is the office and not actually anything scholarly. But nonetheless, the claim was made that center clause is pagan. There is no evidence to suggest that center clause is pagan. Again, center clause is based off of a known and existing monk named St. Nicholas. By the way, I don't care what Vatican II says. We have St. Nicholas's bones, so they can say whatever they like. You're smarter than the Vatican. Okay. Yeah, actually, a lot of people are the overwhelming majority of people on this planet are smarter than the Vatican, but that's okay. So we have this idea that center clause is satanic, right? Center clause again is based in the Bishop Nicholas, who was from Myra in Turkey. Sometime around the 800s, we got Michael of Archimandrite's life of St. Nicholas, where we saw a biography of him. He started being associated from that point with children and gift giving to children. And around the 11th century, December the 6th started to become popular in Germany as a gift giving day, because December the 6th is St. Nicholas's feast today, right? And it's later on that Martin Luther, about 500 years after this point, 400 years after this point, excuse me, actually starts to associate gift giving with not Nicholas yet, but gift giving with Christmas through the Christkindl kind of character, right? Which is where we get the idea of Chris Kringle, which of course now has become commingled with the Santa figure. Excuse me. So that's first introduced and we started having the idea of giving gifts around Christmas in the Protestant Reformation because of Martin Luther. And it's 100 years after that, that in Austria, not Germany, not the Nordic countries, not Denmark, not the Netherlands, not any of those countries, right? But in Austria, that we start to get the introduction of the Krampus character. There was no reference to a Krampus character any time before that. The closest you get is there is some place that exists in Germany where St. Nicholas will have an argument with Satan before eventually binding him and defeating him. And the Satan figure is obviously very similar in appearance to the Krampus figure. So there's obviously going to be no dispute there. So that's the closest you get to a Krampus figure before the 16th century. But again, that is well after the tradition of Sinterklaus and gift-giving and St. Nicholas being associated with these Dutch guys and all that other kind of stuff. And also well before St. Nicholas. All right, I need to screen share because I want to show, he doesn't want to talk about Krampus because there's a bunch of different iterations of Krampus. That's the thing about Krampus. So we have this guy, Zvart Pete, or they call Black Pete. Let me read this. This is from Wikipedia, Zvart Pete. So it says, Zvart Pete is the companion of St. Nicholas or Sinterklaus, West Finster, Luxembourgish, Indonesian in the folklore of low countries. The earliest known illustration of the character comes from 1850 book of Amsterdam school teacher, Jan Schenkman, in which he depicted as a black moor from Spain. These portraying the traditional version of Zvart Pete or Black Pete usually put on blackface and colorful Renaissance attire in addition to curly wigs and bright red lipstick. The character has been increasingly controversial since the early 2010s, decreasingly prevalent at municipal holiday celebrations in years that have followed as of 2021 Revised Version, dubbed Sooty Pete, has become more common. So let me just show you little pictures of Black Pete. So this is Sinterklauses, is Helper, and these are where the elves come from. So this is based not in Christianity, not in, this is where we get our origin of Santa Claus. So anybody with half a brain will realize this is evil, what they're doing. These people were, Black Peter would steal children's soul. And Santa Claus figure would give them gifts if they were good, but if they were bad, they would be whipped with horse hair and the Black Pete figure would steal their soul. So how we reappropriated America, we turn these Black Pete characters into modern day elves. So if you really look into the European form, this is what they were celebrating before they came over, before the Puritans shut down Christmas in America, these are the cultures and rituals that they celebrated. And these aren't based in happy-go-lucky, heavenly figures. This is a satanic figure meant to scare people, meant to cause what is called trauma-based Maya control. So when you look at the basis of Christmas, and we can go to Jeremiah 10, you really don't like, when I talk about that, but he says, Thus say the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven, for the heathen are dismayed at them, for customs of the people are vain, for one cutteth the tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workmen with the axe. Let me zoom in. Okay, I'll stop here. Can we get over to Alex? Yeah, I'll actually only take about 10 seconds with this one. You're ready? Because you actually read it. 1850. That's the first mention of Black Pete that he just brought up. 1850. What's the first reference of saying, Nick's being associated with giving? The 11th century. He read that source, not me. That would be the article just said 1850. No, he was done. Go ahead. No, that's the first modernized version of it. But I'm saying Santa Claus is another that the reason why I use that is because these are different versions of the Krampus character. I'm saying different iterations. So this is the original. So I'm saying this isn't the original. So I agree. When we look at the timeline of what we have today, if you go back all the way that people that they're based on the characters of Santa Claus, Santa Claus, yada, yada, yada, it's based in pagan and Satanism and Satanic culture. That's my whole entire argument. And you can't disagree with that. So I gave you a source that said, and it was a scholarly source that said that this was something that originated from the 16th century. You gave us a source that said something from the 19th century, which would actually be more to my point, less to your point. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hold on. One second. I do want to go back to, if I remember right, the last person who did speak was Alex. And then I did forget to start the clock. So CJ, I'm going to let you finish. And then, so I'll give you maybe about a minute and a half to finish because I forgot to start the clock on that one. Then we're going to kick it over to Alex. Okay. So he brought up the Black Pete as an injection to what I had talked about with Krampus. I agree that Black Pete is based off of Krampus. But Krampus being the original, where does he come from? And what I'm saying to you is the evidence suggests, and I have given a source, I'd like to see a source to the contrary. The evidence suggests that he came out of Austria in the 16th century, 500 years after the Saint Nicholas gift giving motif was established. 500 years, ladies and gentlemen, is a very, very, very long time. Okay. Can I please get a screen share so I can show who Odin is, Odin, the basis of Santa. Let me show you this. This is Odin. Odin is a Greek guy. I thought Santa Claus was the base. I never mind. No, that's my exact point is because you're trying to say that Krampus in the 1600s was the only time they ever created an evil-less elf figure. Now, I'm going to show you Odin and Odin had the same thing and Odin is a Greek character. So would you say that the pain is Norwegian, but thank you for showing us that you don't know mythology? Well, regardless, I don't know mythology that well, honestly, honestly. Yeah. Okay. I know of Santa. You don't need to know mythology. I want to know that, you know, Odin is based off of Father Christmas. So let's let's look who Odin is. He's based off of Father Christmas. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? I just spoke wrong because I was reading it. You know exactly what I mean.  So this is Odin. So let me do a share screen so you guys can see Odin.  This is the this is the character that we have today based in Santa's based off of. I don't know if you can see that with the white beard, but you know, Odin was a God known in Old English as Woden. So it's based off of God all ultimately stemming from a photo Germanic. Odin appears as a prominent God throughout the recorded history of Northern Europe from the Roman occupation of the regions of Germania. This is what I'm saying is this is who this is way before the way before the timeline you're talking about. And so this just shows you this is the basis of Santa Claus and a polytheist. If you worship this character Odin, that would be satanic. So that's that's what I'm saying. You're trying to say that Santa was only created then. I'm saying that it was based off of character from way before the timeline that you're trying to create. That was just Krampus was just created, you know, just a repurposed character in the middle of the story. And that the story is much older and it goes back to Saturnalia. And it's a repurposed story of Sol Victus, Sol Invictus, the God of Sun. So this is this is what happens. It gets repurposed. You don't want to admit that you want to say, Oh, Krampus was invented in 1600. And that's when that character was ever thought of. No, that's not an original character that was just another repurposed character. You know, the story told in a different way in order to whitewash it. I mean, that's just that's exactly what it is. All right. So a couple things that definitely need to be referenced there. So the first thing he said that it's big that Santa is based off of Odin. He didn't give any evidence that Santa was based off of Odin. He said, See, this guy, he has a big white beard. So I guess if you have a big white beard, you must be based off of Odin. That's the best evidence that I saw. Maybe the audience saw something different. You guys can go ahead and comment and let me know what you saw. I'm not debating that Odin didn't exist at a certain point in time. Sure, he totally existed. Show me the link between Odin and Santa Claus. You can't do so. Also, you didn't show me that Odin had a link to Krampus either. You didn't show me that Odin had a link to Krampus either because he doesn't, by the way. The closest people have gotten is there's these two Raven companions that accompany Odin on his, what would you call that? His companions? Oh yeah, his companions. Oh yeah, companions, but they're not the same companions. Any question? Audience, audience, audience, audience. We don't know basic biology. Is a raven the same thing as a elf? I'm just curious. These are mythical creatures. These are bad companions. These are mythical creatures, buddy. To Alex Stein's rambling, anytime you have companions, that means it must be based off of when Thor had those two Ravens. So I guess Jesus is 12 companions based off of Thor and his two Ravens. I guess the story of, what is it? Perks of being a wallflower must be based off of Thor and his two Ravens.  Two Ravens, which are your companions, during a wild hunt, is not the same thing as a demon goat character, which comes into people's rooms at night and beats children. That's not the same thing. By the way, let me just point out something here real quick. He said Odin was Greek, even though he's Norse and not associated with Greek gods at all. He said that it's based off Saturnalia, even though Saturnalia is not Greek or Norse, it's Latin. So he doesn't know what that is apparently. He said that Saturnalia is based in Sol Invictus, but Saturnalia is like 500 years older than Sol Invictus, and Sol Invictus is a holiday whose December 25th date is based off of Christmas and not the other way around. And this has been very well documented. This man knows absolutely nothing about the history of holidays. He knows absolutely nothing about mythology. He knows absolutely nothing about tradition. He doesn't even know enough to know that Odin does not agree with God. Literally four-year-olds know that Odin does not agree with God, my friends. Four-year-olds. Well, that's what it says on Wikipedia. Here, let's read Odin though, because you think you're so smart. Let's read Santa and Odin. And we'll talk about the yule log. So am I sharing the screen? The yule log is a paganistic ritual. If you burn the yule log, they would burn it during Saturnalia on December 25th, because they love to burn the fir tree they thought, because that stayed green during the winter. They thought it had special properties. So let's just read about this, Santa. Let's just read about Odin and Santa's connection. Santa, Odin, Christmas and Yule. This article is brought to you by Sons of Vikings. Was Santa Claus partially inspired by Odin? Yes, we are aware that not everyone agrees with us. Some people, we actually respect and cite as sources on a regular basis. However, looking at the long list of clear connections and similarities we offer below, we that have to simply say we agreed to disagree first things first. We're not denying the obvious influence of St. Nicholas who gave the poor during the third century. However, St. Nicholas never claimed to have gift-making elves, capabilities of flying through the sky. This article takes a deeper look at the interesting similarities between the original version of the fictitious character known as Santa Claus and Odin. Why that's important? Because Odin flew through the sky just like Santa. So a few historians disagree that many of our modern holidays were created by the Christian Church in an effort to replace popular pagan holidays of the past and redirect the focus to Christ. Many of today's popular Christmas traditions, decorating trees, wreaths, mistletoes can be traced back to ancient pagan festivals. The Roman pagan festivals Saturnalia, the more popular Germanic festival known as Yule, 12 days. Typically December 21st to January 1st, the Yule Festival included the celebration of Odin's wild hunt that involved him flying through the sky at night on a magical horse named Slapener, I guess is how he pronounced that. Evidence of this original pagan holiday can still be seen in many popular Christmas carols that mention Yule, Yule Tide, Yule Log, etc. While history shows a church replaced Yule with Christmas, many of the original Yule traditions continued throughout the years. With the obvious connections between Yule and Christmas, it makes sense to consider how Yule, the Norse mythology in general, also speak of Norse gods flying through the sky on animal drawn sleighs and how Odin's flying eight-legged horse Slapener was known for having a sleigh and how Odin was known for giving away gifts and how Odin had magical elves and dwarves who were specifically known for makers of gifts, Thor's hammer measuring being one of the examples. Add to this the many other similarities listed below and well you decide. So I'm just going to say you guys decide, I mean Odin who is the basis of Santa Claus but you can't admit that, you just can't admit that because that ends your argument. So for the people at home that you know I'll just conclude my argument there, you make your decision. Odin is a pagan figure, not a Christian good figure. You'd be considered satanic if you're a Christian to worship this person yet the Yule is one of the biggest parts of Christmas. So you guys make your own decision. Yeah so definitely a couple things there. First off I'd just like to point out that the source he referenced is SonsOfVikings.com. That sounds super credible and did that source reference any sources? No it did not. It said hey many historians disagree, or a few historians excuse me disagree with us, did it name a single one? No it did not. It gave two different holidays that it said was the basis of Christmas. Well is Christmas based on Saturnalia or is it based on Yule? You can't have both it's either one or the other and you'll see this by the way all the time. This is a very common thing. People when they don't actually have an argument they'll start to all right let me throw and there'll be so many different points that they won't be able to refute all that. He's based off of Odin. No wait sorry he's based off of Zeus. Ah shoot that doesn't work. He's based off of some other random thing. I don't know it's Nimrod or something like that. It's how these guys work right? You're seeing the same thing going with the holiday. Is it based off of Saturnalia or the Solstice or Solinvictus or Yule because they're all different holidays. They're not the same holiday and none of them is on the 25th by the way. Not a single one of them. The other thing of course is that some of the things that he mentioned there are either A in consequential or B just outright not true. For example he mentioned Odin giving gifts on Yule. Show me a source that's just not that's simply not a fact. You will not find any sources from any credible scholars or incredible scholars. Incredible I guess would be the word there. Who have ever said that Odin gave gifts on Yule it simply did not happen. Show me that he was accompanied by elves and dwarves when he went on his wild hunt. You're not going to find it. You're not going to find it. He was accompanied by the ghostly damned. He was accompanied by the host of Volnir. He was accompanied by his two crow friends that we had already mentioned whose names I can't remember. Show me the elves and the dwarves you won't be able to do so.  The other thing he said oh well he was on a sleigh. Fantastic so am I every winter. What exactly is your point? Was he pulled by Rudolf and Vixen and all those other guys? Was he pulled by orphans giving gifts to kids on presents? He was fine. He was fine and giving gifts. Yeah he was not giving gifts. Show me a source that says you're going to say that. I just showed you a source. I just showed you a source. No, no, no, no. Not sons and daughters. One prime altering. I told you he was a scholar. Give me a source. How about this CJ's time I hate to mute you Alex but it is during CJ's time so I want to give him a chance to wrap this up and then we'll come right back to you Alex. Oh yeah no I'll just say the last thing I'll just say is just give me one single literally one primary source not sonsofvikings.com okay give me a actual primary source or a scholar for that matter. One source if you can't find me one primary source give me at least one scholar. Okay go ahead. Okay for the people at home guys Odin a character who flew around on a sleigh that had a big beard that was the basis of Santa Claus. You can either look at the evidence and agree with me or you can disagree with me. My opponent can't agree with me that Odin was the basis of Santa Claus because that would mean that he loses this debate so that's why he has to be so staunch. He has to get mad at me because I compare Yule to Christmas. Christmas is a melting pot of a bunch of different stuff.  The formulation of it that we have today is is based off of Satanism and paganism. If you look at the domino effect of how we got there you can disagree with me all you want but all you guys need to do at home I'm done arguing it's like arguing with you know somebody that doesn't want to admit that you're trying you're based in a reality where you think Odin his folklore had nothing to do with Santa Claus and if you want to believe that you want to believe that Odin's story has absolutely nothing to do with Santa Claus that's the world you want to live in then I'm sorry CJ you're not based in reality and you're not even worth debating. We'll get over to CJ and pretty soon here we're going to go into the Q&A. Thanks for all of your questions folks but go ahead CJ. Absolutely I'd just like to point out that Alex has actually officially conceded that he doesn't have one chain of evidence. He actually has to say no no it's a melting pot it's actually a whole bunch of different stuff. Why because as I've already exposed he doesn't actually have any chain here. Let's again go through what we have established and hopefully you guys can put this absolutely ridiculous nonsense to bed once and for all. Okay what did we have established? We had established that Santa Claus comes from 500 years before Krampus. We had established that Santa Claus comes from the Dutch regions not the north regions where Odin is a god not the Austrian regions where Krampus first comes out so on and so forth. We established that Saint Nick was first associated with giving gifts on in the holidays in the 1100s. We established that this was around Saint Nicholas's day and not Christmas. We didn't actually see any refutation from that the only thing we actually got is well if I go over here or if I go over here or if I do this other thing right and then of course he wants to pontificate and say well you're not even worth debating. Ladies and gentlemen you guys can all see for yourself the evidence is clear. If you believe after this conversation that Santa is based in paganism I sincerely hope that your evidence is not Alex Stein because it's definitely not worth it for you. And I want to say that if you can't make the connection to Odin and Santa Claus you're not really capable. Well there is a connection between Odin and Santa Claus. Demonstrate and show us. Okay well let me tell you something. You're the one that's based in Routy that you say Odin has never been in Santa Claus. You agree? No, I agree. You're all agreed and disagree. No, all agreed and disagree. Here's my sources in office. This is my source. Go watch the office. Look at the episode of the office. I hate to mute both of you but I've got you both on mute so I do just want to be sure that you guys have a chance to be heard. And so any I think last remarks Alex what were you going to say and then we've got to go into the Q&A here. I've got to I've just asked you to unmute. Yeah you know he wants to say there's no primary source but all you guys got to do is literally he wants to laugh at it. You can go look at center clause look in the office look how he's described and look how Dwight Street even says he has a crampus character a satanic character and this is in an episode of the office so if you guys do not believe me go look up center clause in the office that's the only source I need and this same person wants to say that center clause had nothing to do with Santa Claus and that Odin had nothing to do with Santa Claus and that's just not true. We know that the story of Santa Claus was borrowed from multiple other people's stories and Odin is one of them. He's gonna say oh you don't have any primary sources. Well listen I have the evidence you guys make the decision yourself that's all I gotta say. 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saying in fact here's a tip just for hosting such a hilarious topic thank you for that a juicy topic though i was actually one i was pumped i appreciate your guys's passion but also the show up people have enjoyed this it's been fun to see people engage in the chat azean says anagram namely santa has the same letters as satan therefore satan confirmed true alex well i agree with it i mean it is kind of weird and then santa claus and then the claus is another anagram for lucas which is a nickname for lucifer so satan lucifer is a nickname of santa claus juicy one eight eight eight i can real quick tonight can i just respond to that real quick you guys want to point out a couple things um so god is an anagram for dog live is an anagram for evil live is an anagram for evil lived is an anagram for devil and santa is a word that means saint by the way lucas happens to be the name of luc who wrote the gospel so um next you got it this one coming in from do appreciate your question unless alex technically the question was originally for you i can give you the last word on that last one what was it well i don't remember what the question was next up one eight eight eight i'm telling us what do alex sarah silverman and sweet rogan all have in common other than crapping on christmas when they say sweet i poop on christmas i poop a lot i poop daily i have normal bowel movements is sweet rogan joe rogan or a sweet rogan someone else i don't know i don't know cj you're you're in with like the hip new things nowadays what sweet rogan the only rogan i know of would be joe so that's what i would think but to be honest i've never heard him called sweet rogan me neither mango tea says arguing that santa claus is satanic is like two mental asylum residents arguing about non-existent beings those are the super chats that obviously i didn't read that before i read it out loud like ron burgundy we are not looking for super chats that swipe at the debaters we do want to encourage you cj you don't believe santa is real do you no okay alex oh he just defends him like he is like he is this real good person i just didn't know mark reid thank you very much for your question but for real during the q and a i got to tell you folks people have told us they're like i really wish that the q and a was more substantive questions so i do want to encourage you for your questions that you submit please give us more substantive questions rather than insults mark reid says alex you have a video of yourself dressed up as santa on your channel are you a satanic worshipper why do you dress up as a pagan figure well indirectly yes but i think it's all it has to do with your heart i mean if you choose to worship the devil then you're you know you're worshiping the devil if you think you're doing it under it's like what pat robertson said i played that three minute clip you know he said all of christmas is based in paganism but it's been taken over with christianity so it's been turned into a good holiday people like it but really if you really do look at christmas you know get lying to your kids giving them presents that you have to work hard for not taking credit for it and then saying it's jesus christ's birthday when a holiday that's all about materialism for a person that was so anti-materialistic so it really it's a it's a very hypocritical holiday whether you want to say satanic or not so in that sense i still think it's fun to celebrate oh a 188 i'm telling says seth rogan not sweet rogan sorry with that let me double check did i what did it say maybe it was an autocorrect yeah it was an autocorrected a sweet rogan but yes i'm jewish i'm not even jewish no next up mango tea says stein you're not i'm not yeah i'm not practicing i didn't know my grandfather i think you have to be uh jewish on your your mom's side but cj i think do i remember right cj are you jewish ethnically yeah i'm not i am religious to christian but yeah no i am ethnically wow so i'm supposed to be a jew and i'm not and you're especially a christian and you're supposed to be a jew and you're christian wow so you're a jew for jesus yeah basically yeah this one coming in from mango tea says alex so what that santa claus oh they say so what that santa claus is satanic who cares christmas is a beautiful time for many people don't try to turn us into methodical robots you beta i i added that last part but go ahead well that's true i am a beta because i don't eat meat i'm a soy boy but i'm not saying don't celebrate christmas i'm just telling you guys this is the problem is that we know we do stuff we don't realize it's origins there's a lot of other holidays and a lot of cultural things that we do that were based that had bad origins and that you know it's been now it's changed and it's socially acceptable but that doesn't mean at one point it wasn't sinister you got it this one coming in from one of the i'm telling says what does alex think of sarah and sats christmas ink oh yeah santa ink or no i'd like to get cj's opinion first of all that's totally they're just trying to bash christmas and then this isn't speaking of the anagram it's not an anagram but it's called santa ink and it's like satanic you know if you you know rearrange it wow i got a donation 10 bucks okay but so what do you think what what did you think about uh santa ink uh well to be honest i'm not actually sure about what santa ink is um it sounds to me like it's something talking about the commercialization of christmas and if that's true i'm very much against the commercialization of christmas but i'll just be honest i'm not 100 certain what that is you got it this one coming in from do appreciate your question sillian holland says alex did you just say that odin was a greek god yet in education it was a yule god or norse god i don't know mythology very well i mean i i mean i don't know that's that's that's and that's another thing is i want to say we're talking about fictional characters being the basis of other fictional characters so we're like taking like spider man from the marvel universe and creating you know uh the bootleg chinese ripoff version of it uh 2000 years later so yeah it's going to be different but it's still a guy that shoots webs out of his dick or whatever well to be fair i think that's mostly true i think the only exception is if st nick did exist which i think he did then at least one of these potential bases is a basis he's excuse me is a real character but obviously santa odin all these guys are fictional so i do agree with you there you got it and this one coming in from do appreciate your question 180 i'm telling says cj wins you're very welcome modern day debate and i'm rolling all three of these super chats into one alex are you a follower a follower of chabad lubavitch is that all right so really quick and i just say um habad the bobble is how you say that thank you alex and i don't i don't i don't know okay this one coming in from fact-based living says if santa is based on odin why does he have two eyes good question alex why does santa have two eyes i think yeah they're saying since odin had one eye if if santa's based on odin why is it the santa has two eyes i thought odin had two eyes i don't know i mean there's like i said there's bits and pieces you know it's like a car you know they took a transmission off a uh ford and they put it on a Chevy you know it's just interchangeable parts to make the car run ozzie and says blasphemy we all know that odin looks like sam neal do you guys know famous actor i don't know i mean like i said we're talking about fictional characters you know artist renditions and there's one point though i did want to say earlier though in the 1932 version of coca-cola you are right that that that there's pictures of him from the 1860s but that's the artist that drew the 1932 coca-cola used those pictures from the 1860 that famous what i forget that i don't know the name of the painting but there's a famous painting of like a santa claus like figure and literally took that and redrew it so wow i'm getting a lot of donations from john john relax is quick spamming the stream i appreciate the donations john this one coming in from do appreciate it ozzie says history not based on a primary source rejected alex history not based on a primary source yeah i mean this is another thing guys history is his story you know we don't even really know you know a lot of the history that we get was written by the victor so our history that we notice today i'm sure some of it's accurate but some of it could be inaccurate this one coming in from rum runner says alex did you ever read the famous essay quote yes virginia there is a santa claus unquote and if so what did you think i don't like santa but it's beautiful well santa and christmas is a beautiful holiday other than than you giving presents and not getting credit for it that's a little that's a little bad but like other than that i mean santa i mean christmas is the most beautiful people decorate their houses decorate stuff i mean yeah i think it's a very festive time i'm not anti christmas i'm just trying to be based on reality if you kind of know that it's base and you know this paganistic you know satanic stuff and you know that you're not doing that part of it i think it actually makes it so you're not celebrating a satanic ritual unknowingly is what i'm saying you know what i mean if you know about it if you know that it was based on that then when you celebrate it you're not doing it under a trickery you're doing it fully aware of what's going on and you're making the decision with a pure heart that's what i think matters you've got it this one coming in from zillion holland says alex how is worshiping odin or thor or freya satanic even though those gods are part of a completely different religion well i that's the other thing is i mean that's a kind of a broad stroke to call them satanic but i guess it would you know polytheism the idea of multiple gods goes against the idea of christianity only having one true god you got it and thank you very much for this question chris gammon good to see you the other local there in texas oh i don't know sorry chris i mean um well that's right i didn't name the city okay chris says if satan is santa is satan why did i get an n64 as a kid it's a pretty cool gift it is a cool gift and think about how hard his dad or mom had to work to get the n64 i believe when it came out i got one too it's like two hundred and ninety nine dollars with inflation it's probably like nine hundred bucks now or something i don't know but you know that's a lot of money for a working parent to have to get their kid and then give all the credit to a guy that flew in through the chimney and then on top of that you have to give them cookies and milk i mean and milk's not cheap either i mean damn like it's just it's an expensive holiday for parents that don't get a lot of credit is what i'm saying jean that's very interesting one of the eight i'm telling says alex you said that you were jewish last time that i asked i said i'm not you never said that i'm jewish no my grandfather was jewish but he didn't raise he left my grandmother and started a different family so my dad had animosity with this guy with my grandfather so he was not raised in the church he was my dad was raised as a christian so was i but you're so that like cj would you then be ethnically jewish i mean i was baptized i was baptized next up i think ethnically you would still qualify like in the same way you would be irish or whatever it's like it's cool if you're jewish it's good okay i'm not hating i'm not really hating but i'm saying real jewish this is the problem that i faced well let's go talk about it right i don't know i want to know what you're gonna say well real jewish people say i'm not a jew do you see what i'm saying and then and then you know you'll say that i'm a jew but a real jewish person like oh you're not a real jew so that's why it's annoying saying that i'm a jew do you see what i'm saying that's true i've experienced that same thing really she's interesting yes it's not even worth getting into fascinating okay fair enough well rum runner thanks for being with us as well i don't think santa satanic isn't it blasphemous to attribute godlike qualities of omniscience rewarding virtue and punishing sin to him uh well so you'd have to kind of take it each one by one right so first off the rewarding or punishing sin kind of thing um you know the bible would expect any uh legal authority to do that would expect any father to do that to an extent would even expect the pastor to do that although it's not like a punishment in the same way right it's more like a just pastor should be guiding the flock um and you know sometimes that means you know a little bit of a chastisement so in that regard just outright no now then you have other things like with the what about the omniscience though or like the ability to be every place it in one night right um and here i think it definitely depends um i don't think that it is something that is pagan or blasphemous unless you decide to make it something that is supposed to be of a divine quality like for example i don't think that it's blasphemous to have dr man hatton and watchman right um but it could be blasphemous potentially if you wanted to have jesus as a character in your marvel comic or something like that you know what i mean or if you wanted to start worshiping dr man hatton from watchman or something like that right so it really does kind of depend on a little bit more i think than just the omniscience factor um i will say this much it is weird to take a day that is supposed to be the holy day for your god and strictly associated with some other magical figure and that's why i don't personally have a problem with anybody who says hey jesus is the reason for the season i'm not teaching about santa that's perfectly fine just don't go crazy with it and say you know this is based in in the bubblegum ferry or something like that that's all i'm saying juicy this one coming in from you guessed it brenton langel speaking of soy boys brenton i'm teasing he tells me every time james i like peas he doesn't do soy he says jesus was also based on odin there is a direct line between christ dying on the cross and odin dying on the tree cj that's definitely not true i don't know i don't know who told you that my friend but you got to check your sources because that's like that's like way false our dearest friend brenton langel seriously i enjoy brenton i do we he's a huge friend of the show along with long time friend thanks for your question coming in from stupid santa's poor energy says why are there no vampire stories coming out of africa is it cuz they bless the reins that's funny next up i'm familiar with the song but i don't know what the joke i don't get the joke oh brenton langel strikes again juicy says you will find multiple points of overlap between myths and legends humans keep telling the same stories over and over again regardless of the society i mean there's like a very very limited amount of truth of truth to that um like for example in nana goes and becomes a star day who becomes aphrodite who becomes venus and sometimes things like that do happen all of those goddesses in their different cultures have very different qualities though the only thing they share with each other is being the goddesses of sex but sometimes they're also the goddesses of love sometimes they're also the goddesses of war something you know they mean a whole bunch of other kinds of stuff like that so that is just one thing to note there that there is very big differences even when you do see overlap the other thing though about overlap is it is way overblown by i'm sorry but i'm just going to say it internet atheists and conspiracy theorists for example the idea that that jesus is somehow based off of like osiris or mithras or christina or truth you know insert random pagan deity here there's just simply no evidence to support these things a fun example is sultan victus right because sultan victus has to do with christmas people say well sultan victus was celebrated on the 25th of december but sultan victus was only celebrated on the 25th of december almost 100 years after christmas was already established as being celebrated on the 25th of december in other words it was the other way around they actually wanted to have solen victus line up with christmas not have christmas line up with solen victus and so when you're looking through these kinds of stuff you definitely do have to you know be careful when you're looking at these kinds of links because a lot of times they're just pop history they're not real a lot of times they're not what you think they are a lot of times they're the reverse of what you've actually been told and i'll kind of leave it with that you got it one thing i want to say with that though is because you know a lot of times people couldn't read or write they didn't have paper you know they couldn't you know they didn't have computers so these stories are told that's why stuff gets changed it's the same with the folklore that's what happened so you know that's why like even today it happens with stuff we have the internet for mandela effect we remember things wrong so even when you tell like the telephone game you tell the story enough times it's going to change so with time any folklore any story it might be a story about a guy with a white beard that rode a horse and by the time it's spread to enough people all of a sudden that's a horse pulled sleigh that goes down chimneys that he gives presents like it just you know it gets changed because they're not writing it down and it's a story that's fictional cj are you convinced i mean don't get me wrong that's another thing like i that can happen right like there are certainly times when you'll have a tradition change and we all know of the telephone game right so that does occur um the thing is is you know you have to ask the question okay well how likely is this is something that's like that's so likely that we can actually look at these things and say hey every time we have one of these sources we can expect it to change or anything like that and i would say definitely not um but other than that i mean there's not too much necessarily to respond to juicy this one coming in from mango tea says this debate is evident that there are no real problems left in society and now the only problem left is whether satan or i think they meant santa is satanic well i will say this i think there's much bigger problems in society and i took this because i think it's a little fun for sure and not because i think it's a super serious debate topic although i do think it does make christianity look annoying when fundamentalists are out there saying oh you know easter and all this other stuff it's all pagan and terrible and it's like first off you don't know what you're talking about and second off you just you're just a buzzkill that's all you are is you're just being a buzzkill um and so it can be detrimental although usually it's just kind of a nothing burger and and a dumb debate right um but i will say we are incredibly blessed to live in a society where we can actually just debate about something as utterly pointless as whether or not santa satanic the world is on fire the world is on fire we're all fucked excuse my language but one thing is though you said it is a buzzkill but in the bible that you can drink alcohol but it said drunkenness is bad so maybe maybe you're having your buzz killed is a good thing christian you know if you think christian speaking ozzie and strikes again he says i am an atheist and on the internet but i was an open atheist in 1978 am i an internet atheist stupid slurs to dismiss people and their arguments do you call someone an internet cj i mean i don't know that's kind of up to you internet atheist is typically an insult that's associated with those who like to pontificate and make cases in the online sphere uh online fear field excuse me without actually making any arguments and i do apologize i'm not going to name names because i don't want to insult people who aren't here but there are there is a trend of people who have a career out of pontificating and making uh you know anti-religious polemics who just simply have no idea what they're talking about people who propagate all of the zeitgeist nonsense and people who propagate the constantine founded the bible nonsense and i mean all this stuff that's just historically laughable um now if you're an atheist who's on the internet and you're not one of those people then i'm not referring to you so i mean if the shoe fits wear it and if it doesn't then throw it away this one coming in from brenton langle oh boy says fun fact christmas was banned in boston in 1659 i'm sure that he was like moving back because just when he was typing it for quite a long time american christians opposed christmas because it was a raucous celebration sort of kind of true not 100 percent so it was banned by the puritans the puritans were banning holidays because of their association with catholicism more than anything else um the puritans wanted to just scratch everything that was associated with the catholic church and that included most of the feast days which is your holidays your veneration days for saints and stuff like that it's actually a big part of the reason why thanksgiving was such a big deal when they got here which actually alex even kind of hinted to that right because they were kind of like they're so strapped for holidays that they had to like invent new ones right um so that's that's the primary driver behind why the puritans actually didn't celebrate christmas it is also true though that there was raucous celebrations of christmas to different points in history um not necessarily at that time for example like martin luther and all those kinds of people i guess it's 100 years before the time referenced but they were definitely celebrating it as a religious holy day and other people were before that uh christmas celebration goes all the way back to at bare minimum the 200s potentially even before that um but it was kind of the thing that fluctuates in and out and in and out right like sometimes it would be raucous and then people would reef uh you know make it a family holiday again and then it would become raucous and then they make it a family holiday again and we have the same thing going on now right uh it became very uh debauched in the 19th century then it became very holy then it became very commercialized now people are kind of trying to make it holy again you know what i mean and and it's just going to continue at an infinitum juicy and want to say i don't know if you notice on the far right of the screen someone just put in a contribution for the crowd fund which is linked in the description and i am putting it into the live chat right now want to say thanks so much to that contributor as we are at 699 now in terms of dollars raised and like i said a huge donation is coming in the person just said that they were having a challenge getting it put in there but we are absolutely thrilled if you want to give to that crowd fund we highly encourage you click at that link that i just pinned at the top of the chat that helps us do these in-person debates folks as we are trying to take the next big step for modern day debate and we are determined to make it there and so highly encourage you to join us in the vision of providing a neutral platform so that everybody can make their case on a level playing field and with that we're going to be back in just a moment to talk more about that crowd fund as well as the debate conference overall and so want to say we are absolutely pumped consider helping us get over that seven hundred dollar mark as we are pumped to rent out this giant venue and have this huge in-person conference it is going to be gigantic in dallas more on that in just a moment but cj and alex it has been a true pleasure you guys seriously can i make one last point i just want to make one just this is just about the holiday and this is this is one thing and i always appreciate we got heated cj i know you're a good guy you're defending the holiday you don't want it to be you know satanic i get your position but this is this is about the one kind of point i want to make you know you're talking about the soul and victims and all this you know saturnalia this and that really none of that matters basically when we look at the winter solstice and we look you know uh the the trajectory of the sun and we have the shortest uh days of sunlight and then the days you know get progressively longer so no matter what this time what i'm trying to say is this time of the year has been a monumental time for human history since we've ever recorded it so whether it's we celebrate christmas now the jews celebrate uh hanukkah you know there's a reason why all these holidays are celebrated here so what i'm trying to say is there is a reason for the season there is something big going on and if you celebrate christmas you're not satanic but the origins are very sinister and i appreciate it cj thank you very much and i do appreciate you as well just so you know i am 100 like this is just this is just what i do man so like if i ever feel like i'm getting hostile to you it's that's just i just i take it as part of the cruise or is take it as you being part of the cruise so to speak so no harm no foul as long as you're good with it oh i'm i'm good i'm i'm i'm golden it was a pleasure cool awesome same you got it one last super chat coming in from stupid santas horror energy says the founder of the power rangers is named sabin sabin which sounds like satan which sounds like santa well that's why nick sabin such a good coach at alabama because it's uh because he's like satan he has the power of uh lucifer guiding him in all those football plays juicy you know their uniforms are red that's what i'm saying there we go now is it coincidence or is it a conspiracy you tell me well we'll be back in just a moment so leslie flamans i see you there in the old live chat says i put in the 15 thank you so much leslie seriously we really do appreciate it we are pumped last question is diehard or christmas movie what do you think cj yeah i guess it is we'll be back in just a moment with more and so we want to say alex and cj are linked in the description if you want to hear more you certainly can folks and so with that thank you seriously cj and alex it's been a true pleasure to have you thank you guys see uh cj one last one roosevelt media news thanks for your super chat says alex rocks thank you roosevelt he's the man that's a homer he's my he's my buddy all right see y'all thank you james thank you my pleasure cj back in just a moment folks with that post credit scene stick around it's going to be amazing amazing my dear friends we are absolutely pumped i've got to tell you a couple of things one in particular don't worry i'm fixing the screen i'm still here i've got to tell you we are absolutely thrilled for a number of different things want to say first thanks for hanging out with us vlad teeps i see you there in the old live chat st beloved pumped you are with us as well as stinger gt2 gerome m and joseph turkot thanks for being with us and haxed pumped to have you with us as well as mongoose mcqueen who says amazing and bill will thanks for dropping in we're glad you are with us patreon hm pumped to see you here perpetually annoyed always glad to have you and my dear friends i am absolutely pumped to let you know if you just saw the picture on screen and you're like james what is that i'm confused why are like steven steen and t-jump shirtless and why are you like pointing to them as if you're showcasing them that is when we in the past have done a car wash in january because we're absolutely determined to make this crowdfund a success which is linked at the top of the chat and my dear friends we are determined we're absolutely thrilled for it i've got to tell you you might be thinking james i've got to know tell me more about this crowdfund because you might be new to your like i don't like i haven't heard about it like what is it exactly that's going on my dear friends let me tell you stuff that you have to know about as we are absolutely pumped we are using indiegogo which is linked at the top of the chat and if you are not familiar with them they are so user friendly i've got to tell you look you guys look right here you can sign in with facebook it's that easy you don't even have to create an indiegogo account if you click on the link that is pinned at the top of the chat or in the 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is for that conference which is in person and many of the debates are going to be streamed live so this is like hot top-notch stuff you guys it is going to be main event type of debates some of them will be if you put into the crowdfund you will be able to watch them live and if you happen to be a patreon supporter or if you happen to be a channel member you're already going to be able to watch them live so don't worry about that you don't have to put into the crowdfund in order to watch them live we appreciate that you've already supported the channel and this is our way of saying thank you that you're already going to be able to see all of the events live but in terms of other stuff let me show you some of these because you're like ah james i don't know like what's going on here well let me tell you this not only that but i've got to show you as mentioned you can sign in with facebook it's a piece of cake it's really not hard at all and i've got to tell you this as well though because you might be thinking like ah james i don't like what else uh is there to it you sign up it's almost like go fund me and then you can join in at whatever level you want so you can ask a question during the q and a from home during the q and a because we obviously we want to give you could say we want to give priority to those who are in person because they're paying for a ticket which helps support the event so that we can put it on but you might be like well what if i have a question from home well you can ask a question from home that's at this level right here i am pointing to it it's $50 which helps us make this event possible and gives you a chance to watch maybe you're like i don't have a question i don't really i'm not worried about asking a question if you throw in even just at nine dollars you can watch all the debates live and we are absolutely pumped for that as there are going to be some juicy ones in particular you saw the one that i advertised earlier on the bottom right of the screen is blank a blank a file it is going to be controversial seriously i am a little bit nervous in terms of whether or not youtube is going to take that down i think we're going to be okay but nonetheless i am cautious you might be thinking james i don't know have you ever done this before yes we have all of the crowd funds that we have launched and finished we have finished having met our goal so in particular the only two ones that we carried out were one this one that you're seeing from a year ago you remember that do you guys remember that that was amazing mike jones and mike schermer debated in that one and we are pumped we met our goal in that one we were going to meet our goal in this one but also do you remember this one we were also successful in meeting our goal for this one the debate between dr kenny rose and matt dillah hunty on whether or not there is good evidence for god that was amazing and so i gotta tell you believe me we have had past success in this we have competently pulled it off and you might be wondering well what is the budget james like well how does a conference cost anything you might be thinking that just sounds far fetched to me well here are the actual costs so in particular you can see at the far bottom left of your screen the venue by itself is actually quite costly so that is a 200 seat ballroom that we have rented out and we're going to try to sell tickets to make this event you could say to support it that way as well and i've got to tell you tuesday is the day that we are actually putting the tickets on sale you don't want to miss that this coming tuesday it's going to be ginormous you guys i am absolutely pumped for that and so we do want to encourage you if you're like uh maybe i don't know want to encourage you my dear friends if you live in texas and especially in the dalis area this in-person conference is going to be epic we highly encourage you to come on out and also though i've got to tell you this the cost for the hotel rooms that you see an orange on the graph here and then the speakers flights which you see in gray these are all costs that we want to take care of the speakers and we are thrilled to have them at the conference and so we also want to take care of their speaker per dm for food we want to cover their food for the day of the debate that you see in yellow and i've got to tell you i've got to remember what the blue one is let me look at that really right but the the little blue one indiegogo fees that's right indiegogo charges i think it's five percent and so that little sliver at the top middle of the pie graph that's indiegogo fees that we have built in but i've got to tell you my dear friends we are absolutely determined to reach this goal it is going to be gigantic and want to encourage you if you haven't yet throw into the crowd fund which is linked at the top of the chat and also in the description box to help us make this epic huge event happen and that's modern day debate debate con being crowdfunded by indiegogo we are absolutely thrilled and you might be wondering james i had like what are the events well remember i've just because this might be this is a lot it's a lot of information so you might be like james i think this is weird well here's an example of one of the big debates that we're hosting aliyah shaver aliyah shaver and destiny have agreed to debate whether or not religion and government should overlap that is going to be one of our bigger ones that's going to be on sunday the 16th believe me that one is going to rock the debate world on youtube we're pumped for it but also that's not all there's more in fact we haven't even really released that many in terms of all that are out there i explained already this one that you were seeing on screen has been confirmed mike jones against holy kool-aid it is going to be stinking awesome my dear friends this is going to be a gigantic conference but you might be wondering well james like i don't know what else is there i mean i like that sounds all right but uh tell me more well let me show you some other events so i have told you already and you might be thinking james i don't know what other events are there i've got to know tell me this one is going to be probably the most controversial at the bottom right of your screen right now you guys i won't even read the title on air i don't know if youtube's gonna let us get away with this i think they will but theoretically they could shut down the stream as we're going i don't know but i've got to tell you it is going to be massive this debate between apologist david wood x-17 apologetics and kenny bowmer for the first time is going to be on moderate a debate they'll be debating in person that question at the bottom right of your screen which will we are not trying to trigger people and believe me we had a different topic but then kenny and matt spoke to each other and they were like you know what james we actually want to do this topic and i was like okay we'll try it so it is going to be something different and my dear friends i've got to tell you we're pumped to have you here joseph turcott and bill wool as well as amos huckleberry and forward tribe as well as just like ezra thanks for being with us my dear friends let's see here math let me you know if i say this right math house heads an hour we're glad you are with us and amanda thanks for your support and positivity says we will do it 100 thank you amanda for that support we absolutely will be truthful we are glad you are here it is going to be amazing and then side show nav thanks for all of your support i appreciate your positivity says what's better than debate constrained being there live and in person tickets will be on sale this tuesday it's going to be huge we are going to announce it on the social media tab for moderate debate as we really want to build this up and so my dear friends i've got to tell you there's more to come we haven't even shown you all of the debates but we certainly will be and that's this tuesday when we release tickets it is going to be you guys i just got to tell you i'm pumped i want to say thank you for all of your support of modern day debate thank you for helping us make this event possible seriously we are absolutely thrilled so with that i do want to say it has been a true pleasure tonight we will be back on tuesday so only two days away for this juicy debate in particular let me pull this up right now because you might be like what what what what debate james what are you talking about this one that is on screen between adeira mad and randolph richardson what is best for the future of humanity islam or atheism it's going to be a good one but want to say for real thanks for being with us hannah anderson i see you there in the old chat thanks for all of your support riley s thanks for all of your support and positivity and hacks good to see you there i see you there in the old chat is why riley s says i support it doing the topic if people have the arguments to have a genuine debate about it we are an open platform thanks riley s for that and then cillian hullin thanks for your super chat says can i ask these two christians to keep the names of odin and thora their mouths until they learn what they're talking about please let's see i actually i think alex told said that tonight that he's not a christian but nonetheless i do want to encourage you if you think you know more hey you can always email us at modernadabate at gmail.com we are open to have having other speakers come on as we always are looking for new faces that makes it fun anthony dickinson says any ideas for having a debate about the serpent seed namely cain being the offspring of the serpent in the garden we haven't yet it's a juicy topic i'll admit it it's something that it's something i i don't even know where i go to in my network in terms of asking people if they'd want to do it so it's totally beyond me in terms of topics i have no idea who debated i appreciate that but and hacks says thank you james take care thanks and hacks seriously surgeon general pumped you are here and i'm so sorry i've been behind responding to you thanks for your messages seriously i appreciate your encouraging words and i appreciate it seriously i will be in touch with you soon it's just been i went to a wedding just yesterday my dear friend and actually a subscriber of modern day debate he's a youtuber as well and he's supported modern day debate and we appreciate a matthew culbertson married his i have got to tell you melinda is a person of strength but also quietness as as matthew's brother described her during his uh best man's speech and i've got to say she is a spectacular person and i'm just so thankful and so excited that matthew and melinda had found each other that they are now married so congrats matthew if you happen to listen to this we are absolutely thrilled for you matthew seriously and i've got to tell you i've i was at that wedding so i drove let's see i drive down to denver i jump in a plane and then i get to dallas and then i drive three more hours to get to the uh little town nakarotches which i it's got a special place in my heart i drove there to make it to the wedding and i am so thrilled i got to be a part of their special day and so i am excited though my dear friends it's been busy and that's why right now i'm a little bit we're a little bit behind in terms of everything especially me like right now i i got to enter grades tomorrow it's been a lot it's been wild folks but i do want to say backs i see you there in the old live chat thanks for making it we're glad you are with us and my dear friends we are pumped for this debate coming up this tuesday and that is the day we release the ticket sales as well as the rest of the debates for the conference because you might be wondering like how many debates are there going to be there are going to be a lot of debates and we want to let you know about all of them by then so thank you guys we love you guys we seriously i just appreciate you thanks for making this channel awesome you guys you are not subscribers you are not fans you are friends seriously we do appreciate you so much i love you guys and good to see you there pray for me pumped you made it as well as be truthful thanks for being with us but yeah seriously oh they all twitched out forgive me brooks sparrow pumped to see you there thanks so much for all of your support brooks sparrow i appreciate you holding down the fort in the old twitch chat and you guys we are pumped about the future we are encouraged and so it is going to be a juicy but i've got to tell you in case you haven't heard because you might be like james heard about what modern day debate does have a podcast i've got to tell you about this i want to encourage you check out this podcast if you haven't already my dear friends let me pull this up modern day debate is on podcast and all of our debates end up on the modern day debate podcast within 24 hours of the debate happening so you might see like look at that bad boy in the middle there you see that logo that's modern day debate so you can click it you can be like huh i want to listen and i don't want to use my wi-fi but i want to listen to the debate while i'm driving or whatever you can download the debates on your phone and then listen to them whenever it's handy and you don't have to use your wi-fi so that's something that i feel like a lot of people i'm so encouraged a lot of people have said hey that's actually been really useful and i'm like hey that makes me happy just to hear that so let's see here in the old live chat i want to say sideshow nav and amanda thanks so much for helping us make this conference possible it is going to be ginormous and i appreciate you amanda and bob for all of your help anthony dickinson says zen garcia will more than will more than like debate the serpent seed there are plenty of people that will try to refute it lol thanks for letting me know about that anthony and let's see zen garcia i'll try to remember that name and then sideshow nav so staying busy keeps you out of trouble or at least that is the theory hey i'm i'm i'm so excited to get to sleep tomorrow i i woke up so early this morning because i was i was i woke up and i was like i don't want to miss my flight because i knew i've got a ton to do today and so we are pumped though seriously you guys thank you for all of your support you guys have made this channel awesome all of you i i do love you guys i do appreciate you guys and i'm excited to see you on tuesday when we let you know about the remainder of the debates coming up for modern day debate debate con first time ever it's going to be epic thanks everybody i love you guys thanks for all your support you guys make this channel awesome amazing beta