The Cubs and Red Sox come in and to sell it today. They're both looking to kind of get some momentum. But coming into today, look, these ranks are not good, obviously, OK? They're not playing well. They're not resembling the teams that they should be or we thought they should be. And Swish, I'm just asking if you're looking at this thing. So right now, good nights for both these teams. Who do you think Red Sox or Cubs is closer to finding their stride? I think the Red Sox are a little closer. I think the Cubs are a little further away. And I'm going to give you the reason why. And as you saw the stats right there, I mean, you have the number two rated offense in the National League next to the Dodgers, right? But the problem is you have the worst ERA in the National League, right? So here's the thing. If you're scoring and you're producing at such a high offensive numbers that you are now, by the way, and guys like Rizzo, Bryant, and Schwabber aren't even hitting, right? But the problem is with these starting pitchers, if they are able to get the job done, the chat woods, the darvishes of the world, the Quintanas, if they're not going to be able to get it done, right? And there's some no-name guys in the back end of that bullpen. Mauro's still on the DL. No one down there that shut games out. If you're getting such great offensive numbers and you're getting bad pitching, that just doesn't seem like that's moving in the right direction. And to your point, I'm Bryant, a 688 OPS right now. That was a good swing, I thought, to right field there, Melky made the play on. But I'm still not really maybe seeing that consistent finish for him. And the power of that way, exactly. That is a huge part of his game. We haven't seen that yet. And for me, guys, I still go back to Darvish. He is signed through 2023. I know, right? If he continues to not be able to command the ball in the zone, which was again a problem this week, not sure what they're going to be able to get out of him going forward. Well, let's stay with pitching, though. So the Red Sox, it was a rousing win for them. They needed it to feel good. They're down 5-0 and they come back and win. Great comeback. But we always talk about the World Series hangover. And sometimes maybe the numbers don't necessarily bear it out. But JP, I'm here to tell you that they're bearing it out right now. Because these starters worked very, very hard last year. And I don't know if they'll admit it, but I'd have to think that plays into this a little bit. Yes. And in one of the key parts of this graphic, pay attention there to the post-season workload for those three guys there at the top, especially Price Iovaldi and Porcelo as well. Sale, Price and Iovaldi all through fewer than 10 innings this entire spring. So think about that comparison. They threw a bunch in October and almost not at all in great Pro League play this spring. It's not a criticism, it's just a fact. They're not fully ready. They're not fully ready. They tried to be creative with the way that they prepare them for the season, Nick. But you can just see in the way they're pitching right now. Iovaldi, especially this year, he's just not quite worried he's doing it. Well, 100%. And that's the thing. When are they going to be ready, right? If this is still considered spring training time for them, how long is it going to take them to get ready? A month, a month and a half? With the way the Tampa Bay Razor plan, how many games are you going to be back at that time? It doesn't look good for Boston right now. They've got to turn it around. They've got to turn it around. Well, at least they had a nice win tonight. So that's a good start for the Red Sox. Tell you what, how about that salad topping? Great salad. He has got some game. He let that thing eat, huh? I would love to borrow some of that. You would look great with tapius hair. I think that would be a really good look. I think it would be. Talk about taking your swag level to the next level? I need to improve that. That's it. Quote of the year, JP, I need to improve that. Come on, JP, your swag. We got it, bro. And that's why you have all the info. So we'll start here. Giants. Look, they're probably not going to have the greatest year, right? They're kind of a team in transition right now. They're trying to figure out how to get some issues. But they also have one of the greatest post-season performers of all time in Madison Bumgarner.  I believe they will. And certainly the relief pitchers, I would say, the likes of Dyson Watson, they're probably going to be moved without much trouble. But Bumgarner is going to be a difficult emotional decision. I think, Kevin, for the Giants, but it's the right decision to trade Madison Bumgarner. There are a lot of conversations during the course of the off-season. The Phillies were one team that I was told already, has been doing due diligence, looking at his starts, maybe even looking at him during spring training to make sure they have all their information current. The Phillies, of course, they were able to make some aggressive moves in the wintertime, as we well know, to bring in three All-Star Position players. But they've got that one need for that lefty starter. And if you're going to go all in, Nick, on one year to make a World Series run, who better to get than Madison Bumgarner? Yeah, I figured what, and I hope that we have one of our game's best post-season pitchers. Love to see that guy back in the post-season. So I hope this does happen, because whoever ends up getting this guy, especially either at the deadline or a little before, or whenever this goes down, because in my mind, this has to happen. This guy has to go somewhere else. Whoever gets him, they've got a chance to win that World Series run. I'm just going to throw this out there. Back in 2008, the Milwaukee Brewers sent what turned out to be Michael Brantley for a fellow by the name of C.C. Sebastiac. They weren't going to sign him. They knew he was a free agent. He was unbelievable. He pitched routinely on three days' rest. He was 11 and two down the stretch. Almost won the side. You're under the National League that year. I happen to think that would be a good fit, but I happen to think that would be a pretty good fit. And they would do the team to do it, too. And a quick point there. Their rotation era right now in Milwaukee is above five. And Craig Council has said he is on record as saying, they cannot have Woodruff and Burns in Peralta for a full season because of Innings Limits in the rotation. That is a tailor-made move.  Wow, bro. This guy right here, man. Well done. He's not only handsome. He's the insider. He's going to look at him. I mean, the guy's got it. All angles, ladies and gentlemen. I feel good about myself. You should. JP, thanks for the crudos. All right, we got a lot more to do on LB Whip Round.


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Okay, Electric Shepherds 86, Chicho, any advice on trying to keep hopeful outlook? The future just seems so grim and hopeless, especially for America. Gang, by the way, all the stuff that I'm saying, it's not necessarily negative, this is the the the empire in its last breath, really kicking and screaming, saying we don't want to go down and we're going to do whatever we can with the internal conflict happening, right? Unfortunately, on the sideline, there are certain powers that are taking over control that aren't any better than this new empire, right? For certain people, okay? So it's not, look, I know this is sounding harsh and negative, I'm saying you guys are in trouble, you guys are in trouble, you should be in trouble. When a family, when an individual doesn't have their finances in order, when they're freaking out, when they're having a mental breakdown, you turn to them and say, look, man, you're in trouble, okay? The first thing you need to do to improve your situation is to recognize that you are in trouble and understand why it is that you're in trouble, that way you can not make the same mistakes again, right? So what all the stuff that is happening is not bad, I rather this happened than what was happening during the Obama administration, because during the Obama administration, the citizens of the United States were letting their country, their government kill millions of people, displace tens of millions of people, destroy multiple countries.  Where did the anti-war movement go during the Obama administration? I rather have this right now, where people are questioning their governments, where people are saying, wait a second, there's fraud going on. Irrelevant if it's happening or not, right? I rather have the citizens of a country hold their government in tight, I'm trying to pick the right words, right? I rather the government of a country fear its citizens than the citizens fear its government, or the citizens let their government run amok, right? This is what's happening right now is a good thing, because it forces citizens of the United States to look internally to see what's going on, right? Is this another color revolution that's happening in the United States? Yeah, to a certain degree it has a signature of color revolution, and what is a color revolution? Color revolution is the deep state, the CIA, let's call it, right? Going around the world starting civil wars in different countries and destabilizing those countries. Well, guess what?    And you living in the United States, we're going to be not have to deal with this. At some point we're going to come and do it to you, right?


one shiver one thousand here this clock is free we're gonna be giving it away so if you're interested stick around and we're gonna tell you how we're gonna get this to you here in just a second I'm also here with the lovely Mrs. Mrs. Monkey one thousand check her out visit her channel okay so here's the clock I know it's been a long time coming this should have been done and sent out by now but the reason why I hadn't was because we've gotten a car wreck and we had to deal with that and then as that was going on guess what happened the whole world went nuts bought everybody's toilet paper out from under and so that took a while so now we're getting back on track so we're gonna give this away now what we're gonna do is Saturday night eight o'clock we're doing a live stream okay that's 8 p.m. Eastern time because we're in Florida we're gonna do a live stream and we're gonna do what we did the last time I want to give you number one flash number on screen and you call us and be what color mama didn't get thinking that far because she said you can do like the 20th color I'm like honey we won't have 20 viewers so we went with the fifth that's what we're gonna do again this time the fifth caller okay now we're not gonna do this you know where it's one caller per household if you got 30 people in your house you're all welcome to try I mean you know but I know some of you guys well Kim really wanted this clock and by the way congratulations she won the the charger thing the charger and light I believe so that was for my 10th anniversary right this is for my one million views which by the way guys I am pushing two million now yeah not subscribers by the way let's not get that confused I've only got like five thousand thirteen subscribers but I've got a thousand little over a thousand videos up and I've got almost two million views so I'm pretty proud of that to me it's kind of a milestone to hit the million so like I said I'm sorry it took so long yeah so we wanted to let you guys know this clock is working fine I did have to have a piece of glass in it that's real glass that's not plexiglass and no it will not be ship FedEx will it mama no no so yeah watch the next video on that you won't want to miss that one so but and then all I did was cleaned it up I think I put a motor in here at one time or something I think you did I might even did a video on it because this clock was given to me that didn't work had the glass broke and I had it sitting in my garage had an onion on the wall for right year and a half yeah at least because you'll see it in some of my videos yeah you'll see in the background hanging on the wall and always used it in there did get dirty but we've got it cleaned up I put some furniture polish on it this clock is not in a hundred percent shape by that I mean it works fine but there are some little details you know it's a used clock okay it was given to me so we wanted to give it to someone else I'll show you some of the imperfections but like I said it works flawlessly you know when it's hanging up you may not notice it as much you know but it's still a pretty cool piece yeah like you see a little chips here and you know this was broke at one time right here my glue that it's not perfect guys see it's got mismatched screws here that screws different from that one but I don't know from what I'm looking at on this thing I believe this may be may be a homemade piece from different clocks the way that I'm seeing it yeah I think it may be from different clocks so but it's it's a it's a beautiful piece but what I'm thinking is someone can take this and restore it like these does not match this this does not match that right if you look close enough I think someone made this clock out of other clocks right or at least you know changed the door they did some more that's had work done on it but like you can clean this up but I left it like that because I thought it was it was me because I like to you know stuff untouched but if you would like to you know if you're into this kind of stuff and you get it you know it would be really nice to sand it all down and redo it she asked me if I was going to restand it or anything I was like no because I'll leave that up to the person that wins it if they want to do that right now this clock is pretty neat in the that it's got let me get you on a stand here I want to show you something that's kind of cool if I can get you on stand here and I can't for some reason what's going on same problem yeah the other day I walked over you gotta watch this and I did the same thing okay let me all right now we're gonna lift this up all right I'm gonna turn this around now what's really cool about this thing is that in the back of here you flip this down this down this up and this up here's your hanging part then you can take this out you can hide little treasures down in here here's where you change your battery it's got a new battery in it maybe through shipping it may come out but now you know how to change it and this is how you set it but you can also set up opening the door on the front which you're not supposed to but the door does open up I think what it would be cool is to put chimes in here but you got a place to put your little treasures in there I'm on like if you got a ring or something you know like grandfather's ring or grandmother's wedding ring you can put that in there once it's hung on the wall no one knows what's back there and there just may be something autographed in here to get you started on your little treasures from Shea Bear and monkey so make sure you get this when you get this whoever the winner may be make sure you open the backup and see if there's a little treasure in there okay so that being said guys here I'll give you another look at it it is a nice clock like I said it's not perfect it's a huge clock it was given to me so I want to give it to someone else but it works fine and it does look nice you got hanging on a wall you know it's stuff's not gonna be that noticeable you know it I grant I can't give away an iPhone you know I just we just can't afford it I mean which would be cheaper to send that in this but the but the point is is we want somebody to have something nice so this is what you're gonna win remember Saturday at 8 p.m. Eastern time we're gonna do a live stream we're gonna flash a number on the screen and when I say that I mean we'll probably just hold the number up like we did last time right and and oh then you guys can start calling in so I figure we'll do the same as we did last time 8 o'clock 8 30 we'll start calling so Saturday the 11th Saturday the 11th yes so that's coming up pretty quick guys yeah get your phones charged and everything and so but yeah so we're gonna start we'll start the live stream at 8 o'clock ish and we'll talk to you guys for a little bit and then we'll start to call in at 8 30 we'll open up the phone lines we're getting professional or we anyway just don't lose your head over it yeah okay yeah I got people wanting to send me stuff to review yeah yeah it's cool even if you're at or we're offered you know at least you're gonna that's pretty cool so anyway yeah it's not gonna be like a like that manscaped and it's not gonna be like that they're sending me they want to send me a product for free and to give them a review to review it on the YouTube channel which one of them I have to respond I've responded to both of them but the one I responded and to both of them I told them look I'm not want to talk about how good your product is I want to talk about your product and if I don't like it I think it's a junk I'm gonna tell my viewers that one of them said okay that's fine that's what they want so they know where to improve on the product the other one I have not since I said that I've not heard back from so that was on the headlamp one so you know because I'm not gonna get on there and have and try to get you guys spend your hard-earned money on a piece of junk right you know so I do my reviews are honest reviews I get a lot of disappointment a lot of products so I don't want my viewers either to be right right I know how it feels yeah all right guys remember just check us out Saturday night be there be square yep well have fun and good luck to each and every one of you I know somebody's won't be calling me does she know well she watches this video she'll know okay Kim if you watch this video you know if you don't watch this video I'm talking to nobody cat and egg beard how's it going hope you guys are staying safe by the way but I know she mentioned a couple times I want that clock so she's been waiting patiently for us to try to get this on the air so we can give it away so like I said she won that she won that one price so I guess it just depends on how many people call in but whoever gets this they're getting a decent clock the clock inside it itself is is a pretty expensive clock so pretty good one so good luck to you guys and appreciate you watching so she bears a mental legend gone for now see you guys Saturday yeah it'll be fun like so she's up now y'all bye bye guys take care


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Larry, it's great to be here with you, and I wanted to say to everyone who is here you have made a great choice of how to spend your time. I have been asking Larry questions since I was 19 years old, a student, and he has never failed to offer brilliant answers, whether it was how to reform the economy of the Lithuanian-Soviet-Socialist Republic, how to save the world economy in 1998 or 2008, or, and this is a sign of what a great friend and human being Larry is, what to do when my mother was dying of cancer. So we are all in for a really wonderful session. I'm a journalist, so I pulled a few people beforehand and I said, okay, what should I ask Larry? The top of the agenda, Larry, was people wanted to know, given your experience in the Treasury with Bill Clinton, in the White House with Barack Obama, what is your view of the U.S. economy right now, and what advice as someone who has been an insider but is a little bit on the outside, and the president is re-elected so you can speak your mind, what should he do? Look, I think people have counted the United States out before. John Kennedy died believing that the Soviet Union surpassed the United States by 1985. Every issue of the Harvard Business Review in 1991 had a version of the joke that the Cold War was over and Japan had won. And I think people make that mistake now with respect to our economy and with respect to our politics. I think if we seize the moment, we have huge and unique opportunities in the world. This is a moment for broad renewal that corrects all the deficits that we have. Yes, we must put our finances on a sustainable basis over the next several years. The budget deficit is not our only budget deficit. Everybody in this room has been through Kennedy Airport. No one, I suspect, is proud to think of it as the gateway to the greatest city in the greatest country in the world. If a moment when the federal government can borrow money at negative 75 basis points in real terms for 10 years and construction unemployment is well into double digits is not the moment to do something about it, I don't know when that moment will be. This is the moment to renew our health care system. And we're on the way with respect to assuring access. But we're not everywhere we need to be in terms of containing health care and costs. This is the moment when we have a profound deficit with respect to the way in which we are providing opportunity to children in the lower half of the population who are falling further behind in terms of education and who are even falling further behind in terms of what's most fundamental death rates and how long they live. And this is the moment when we can correct that deficit. So if we can in our public life, in our corporate life, and in our individual life, we can each turn our attentions more to the future and away from the press of the present. This can be a profoundly important moment for the United States and for its role in the world. I want to follow up on your starting comment about the deficit.  It sounds as if maybe you think we shouldn't be emphasizing the deficit all that much. Are you moving into the Krugman camp on this one? I don't know that I'm going to do camps. But look, in 1993, here's what the situation was. Rural costs were really high. The trade deficit was really big. And if you looked at a graph of average wages and the productivity of American workers, the average productivity in the economy, those two graphs lay on top of each other. And so bringing down the deficit, reducing capital costs, spurring investment, raising productivity growth was the right and natural central strategy for spurring growth. That was what Bob Rubin advised Bill Clinton. That was the advice Bill Clinton followed, and they were right. Today, the long-term interest rate is negligible. The constraint on investment is lack of demand. Productivity has vastly outstripped wage growth. And the syllogism that reduced deficits spur investment and you'll get more middle-class wages doesn't work nearly the same way. Now that doesn't mean that the deficit is inconsequential. It is central to prudent defense. If you don't get the deficit under control, at some point we're going to have a macroeconomic catastrophe. But whereas in 1993, a focus on the deficit constituted a compelling growth strategy when you start with today's interest rates, when you start with today's gaps between productivity growth and wages, deficit reduction is necessary, hygiene to protect against economic disaster. It does not constitute the basis for a satisfactory growth strategy. And that's why the emphasis on spurring the right kinds of investment, when people talk about infrastructure, yes that does mean Kennedy Airport, yes that does mean no potholes. But it also means why do I get the same test four times in the course of six months? Because medical records take place on paper folders and the average doctor's office has less technology than the average 7-11. That's a task of private infrastructure. So is broadband. So is much else. So that's why growth strategy today, when the interest rate is already so low, when you're in a knowledge economy, can't just be about removing the obstacle of government debt. So whether you're a reporter in the room or watching, my advice as an editor is that's a very good snap headline right there. Following on from your focus on growth, there is an argument which I hear more and more people taking seriously, I think advanced maybe most boldly by Tyler Cohen, that maybe growth, maybe innovation, maybe this productivity growth you were talking about is over. Because he puts it the low hanging fruit has been pipped and we're kind of in this stagnant period. Do you buy that? Not a bit of it. Everybody in this room was required to turn off their device a few minutes ago. The device you were required to turn off, here are three things about it. It had more computing power than the entire Apollo project. It gave you better access to information than being able to walk freely around the Library of Congress. There's more, all the information is there and it's a lot better cataloged on your device. And in terms of reaching people all over the planet, you would trade John Kennedy's White House communication system even up for your iPhone. And that was an inconceivable thing 20 years ago and five billion people on Earth are going to have it five years from now. So I don't see how anybody can say we are not making fundamental and profound progress. And one other thing, the profits of doom can't have it both ways. You cannot simultaneously say that software is eating the economy, 3D printing is taking away manufacturing jobs, the Google car is taking away driving jobs, there's self-checkout in every retail establishment so there aren't going to be any jobs for regular people anymore. And say nothing's happening that's important for productivity growth.  And as between those two if you want to have a dystopian idea and think about a problem, I think the much more fundamental idea is what technology is doing to the middle skilled and what that's going to mean for the inequality. And the risk is that you're going to have designers and devices who are going to combine to produce fantastic wealth for designers with less for everybody else. And how are we going to manage that as a society? That's a problem and that's a very serious problem and I think that's probably the best single way to think about the inequality challenge. But I think that's a much more serious problem than the idea that somehow there's nothing new that is augmenting anybody's capacity here. And one other thing, I see my friend Francis Collins sitting here and he knows infinitely more about this than I do. Probably the wisest aphorism I learned in graduate school was my teacher in the late Rudy Dornbush who used to come to Davos saying to me that things take longer to happen than you think they will and then they happen faster than you thought they could. He mostly meant that with respect to unsustainable financial policies and fixed exchange rates and stuff like that which obviously has some resonances for the moment. But I think it is also very powerful with respect to technologies. It was famously observed in 1987 that the computers were everywhere except in the productivity statistics and then you saw what happened. And I suspect that with respect to the life sciences, the set of things that come from genomics, the set of capacities for augmenting human capacity, I think are just going to be staggering. Ponder this, through the 20th century for a century, human life expectancy went up three months every year and there is no evidence that that trend is slowing. And some reason to think that it might accelerate and the best view as I understand it, although this is debatable, is that probably healthy life is going up at least as rapidly as total life. So I think we've got huge potential for betterment and just as I think my grandchildren, just as I think as my grandparents envy the kinds of lives, if they were alive, would envy the kind of lives we get to lead, I have very little doubt that we will envy the kinds of lives that our children and our grandchildren get to lead. And look, one other thing that suggests this progress is going to continue. It is a slightly freaky but actually compelling finding of social science, known as the Flynn Effect, that human populations almost everywhere get smarter every year, that average IQs go up two or three points a decade. And if you kind of don't believe that, just turn on the leading TV show of my childhood, the Beverly Hillbillies, and then turn on a leading TV show of a few years ago, like West Wing, and ask yourself what intellectual demands they place on the watcher. And you will see that. So I think the progress in understanding and comprehension in so many things is staggering. And by the way, I think that's an important part of why, as my Harvard colleague Steve Pinker has demonstrated, there's with fluctuations a trend towards much less violence in the world. And that's very much at the heart of what the president talked about in his inaugural address when he spoke of Selma and Stonewall, the widening circle of inclusion, tolerance, and opportunity. We could make huge mistakes. We could blow it. There could be reversals. But fundamentally, I think, long-term progress by free and freer societies is about as secure a bet as there is. Okay.  And when I go home, I'm going to tell my kids Larry Summers says they are smarter than I am, which they will be very happy to hear. I'm sure Tyler Cohen is watching this. So consider the gauntlet, throbbed Tyler. I want to get your blog response. You touched Larry on another issue that I know you think is very important, which is this issue of inequality and the shape of the economy. My sort of journalistic hyperbole about kind of the dystopian possibility is maybe we're going to be divided into a society of a few geniuses who invent Google and iPhones and everybody else who gives them massages. How much are you worried about the economic forces pushing us in those directions, the gap that we're seeing opening up between productivity gains and wages, and what should we do about it? I think it's the right thing to worry about. And I think there are troubling trends in the direction that you suggest, Christian. I think you're absolutely right that the system will, as economists like to explain, the system will equilibrate at full employment. But maybe the way it will equilibrate is that full employment is there'll be specialists in cleaning the shallow end and the deep end of rich people's swimming pools. And that's a problematic way for a society to function. I think we've got to think very hard about making sure that there's competition in the activities where the leaders are leading so that that competition, that success manifests itself in lower prices and not just in higher profits. And so making sure there's competitive markets is there is, and the reduction and elimination of barriers to entry is I think something that is very, very important. I think we do have to look at fairness in the way our tax systems function. Some of that is about tax rates. Some of that is about technical tax provisions, which are boring to listen to me talk about but are hugely important that don't even rise to the level of being tax expenditures. The tax expenditure table but mean that the largest part of the accumulation of wealth and the passage of wealth from generation to generation passes almost with no taxation. And whether it's devices for avoiding the estate taxation or whether it's the basic fact that the creation of fortunes takes place in the form of capital gains, which largely escape taxation and death, there is a serious tax reform agenda that has the potential to be very important that's about provisions that nobody much thinks about. The carried interest provision that people have talked a lot about is the tip of a very large iceberg of stuff like it that lies under the surface that ultimately I think is an agenda that can make an important difference in terms of equality. And the other part of this though is education and the development of both the intellectual and the character logical traits that are necessary to have a distinctive niche in the world that is important if people are going to be able to maximize their opportunities. The most important advice I always gave young people during my time as president of Harvard was figure out something you care about and can be good at. Don't make yourself fungible. If you're doing something that 50 other people are doing because it's more comfortable for you to be part of a pack, the rewards to that are going to steadily diminish because you are going to be fungible. Figure out something where you've got some distinctive niche and we're going to have to figure out in our educational systems how to help more and more people discover those kinds of attributes. You've touched Larry just now on that answer on capital gains, on treatment, tax treatment of carried interest. That's part of this bigger issue of financial services, how they are functioning in the economy. As you know, there's a very lively debate. Has re-regulation gone too far? Has it not gone far enough? There's been a loosening of Basel III. Where do you come out on all of that? Look, in 30 years of my, 25 years of my adult life involved studying and then being near this stuff, we had the 1987 stock market crash. We had the Brady plan to resolve the Latin American debt crisis. We had the SNL crisis. We had the Mexican financial crisis. We had the Asian financial crisis. We had Russia and LTCM. We had the internet bubble. We had Enron and the problems in the high-yield market.  And that works out to once every three years a financial system whose function is supposed to be to distribute and manage risk ended up being a source of risk that hugely damaged the lives of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people. And so there is an imperative to have this be under better control than it historically has been. And certainly the errors historically have been of insufficient attention to risk and to its cascading consequences in both the private and the public sector. And so we've got to make very sure as we implement these rules and as we consider what comes next that we are on the side of containing risks rather than on the side of allowing them to go unchecked. It is an enormously complex thing to do effectively and there is a risk that if you don't know what you're doing you can be counterproductive with the actions that you take. But this requires enormous and disinterested attention and I have to say as one who's not especially given to populist instinct the four and a half lobbyists at a cost of about a million dollars per member of the House and Senate who worked Dodd-Frank for a year. Four and a half members per member of the House and Senate does give one some pause about how that process was working. Now the great danger is that you go with that to the idea that an idea must be good if a bank doesn't like it. And that's also not a valid idea but I think we need an enormous amount more than we have had to date of fundamental thinking about how to keep the structure of the system stable. And the clearest evidence of that is something which is only addressed to a small degree in everything that's happened. Which is if you look at Bear, Lehman, Wamu, Wachovia, Fanny and Freddie, AIG. Every one of them was judged by their regulator roughly an hour and a half before they failed. A month before they, not an hour and a half, that was said for effect. A month or two before they failed to be very well capitalized according to the concepts of capitalization with which we were operating. And that suggests that merely increasing capital standards in the way we have thought about capital may not entirely nail this problem. And look, it is precisely because I have so much admiration for Jamie Dimon and some of his colleagues at JP Morgan that the saga of the whale is, it seems to me, so troubling. Because they really did have strong, they had every incentive to not have that happen, really every incentive to not have that happen. And if they couldn't make it not happen, you've got to sort of wonder whether a group of civil servants watching intermittently are how and in what ways they're going to be able to contain risks. I think this needs a lot more reflection than it's received. I am sure that the combination of the fears engendered by what has happened and the steps that have been taken have operated in the direction of reducing risk. But this will take a lot. This is not a challenge for a day or a week or a year. This is a continuing challenge that needs to be managed. Any hints on in which direction the answer lies? Is it improving the type of capital? Is it breaking up these institutions? Is it around liquidity? Liquidity is part of it. Reliance on markets and automaticity is another part of it. Reducing interdependence in any situation, anytime you have a situation where it's good to be first to the exit, you have the potential for substantial instability. In general, I'd be looking not as an alternative to regulation, but as a supplement to a little more looking at signals that are coming from the market as a sign of when there's potential for serious problems. Okay, our time is almost running out. I'm going to try to squeeze in two more questions, so let's do them at a speed rate. Economists often feel jealous of natural scientists like physicists because they can do actual experiments in a laboratory. But the global economy is a laboratory of sorts, and we're seeing some very different approaches in countries like Japan, Britain, the U.S. to some similar challenges. What is macroeconomics learning from this? Look, I think three years from now, people are going to be able to look at what's happened in Japan and look at what's happened in Britain and learn something. If Japan has worked its way into hyperinflation and Britain is thriving, it's going to be impossible for Paul Krugman and other Keynesians to keep talking the way they have talked. Conversely, if Britain is stagnant and Japan has turned around after 20 years of stagnation, those who dismiss the idea of stimulus and believe that austerity is the answer are going to have a much more difficult time leaning their views. I try to apply a discipline to myself, which I guess I think journalists should apply to everybody who thinks and writes in this stuff. What could you see in the next several years that would lead you to think you'd been importantly wrong and would cause you to think you should change your mind? I think that people should think about where they are on what's happening in Britain and Japan and that's got the potential to be a powerful, not perfect in a variety of things that aren't controlled for and the like, but I think that's got the potential to be a powerful test. Okay, we have you on the record. Where are you placing your bets? I'm going to go somewhere in between. I think austerity is not the route to prosperity in any country where the interest rate is near zero, not ever. The right kinds of expansionary policies carried out with some prudence, I think, can be very availing. That's my reading of the Recovery Act in the United States. It's not yet clear just where Japan is going to go, but I think they have the prospect, if they manage this right, of from a very low baseline producing some significant improvement in performance. Okay, I'm going to take you up on your challenge. Where with hindsight do you see the biggest intellectual mistake you've made and how has that changed your thinking? Well, it's like the old interview question, what's your biggest flaw? I'm really too conscientious, gosh. So I could do one about where I failed to persuade people. That's a classic one. I'll go back some distance. I think in retrospect, and it was a consequential thing, as we addressed Indonesia in the 1990s, I think we insufficiently understood that what we interpreted with some legitimacy as supporting resistance to corruption was, as it was implemented on the ground, a threat to an ethnic minority, the Chinese population that had a very large amount of money in a small minority, and probably generated more capital flight and instability than it did confidence by some significant margin. And I choose that example because a distinction Bob Rubin always drew, and it's one that I think is very important, is anybody who makes a lot of choices makes lots of choices that expose, they wish they had made differently.  I wish you had drawn to the inside straight, but you did the right thing. That's a case, and I think this is always the right test to apply. Not do you wish exposed you've done something different because that'll always happen if you make decisions in an uncertain world, but could you have made a better decision with the basis of the information available? There's a reasonable argument that we in the IMF could have made that decision in a better way. Okay, last question. We've run overtime, but I hope you'll forgive me for taking just a couple more minutes and just turning to a personal side of things. I have watched you now in a number of different incarnations, and what I have been struck by is consistently you have remained incredibly intellectually engaged and intellectually curious, both about the challenges of your particular job and just also about what's the new new thing, what's the frontiers of thinking. You've never kind of stopped. How do you keep on doing that? I guess it's sort of, I'm not sure that it's true. I'd like to think it is. I guess I think complacency is the enemy of improvement. And you just, I just don't think there's anything that doesn't get improved on by thinking about it hard and challenging its premises. And I guess it's always been my sense before I knew the phrase that what's most important in the world is probably the idea of, was probably the authority of ideas rather than the idea of authority. And it seems to me that fostering that wherever one is is a never believing that because I said so, or because someone said so constitutes a good reason for doing something, is the way in which you make the most progress. I think ultimately it's from ideas that the world moves forward. And as I tried to explain before, I think the world has moved forward immensely, and I think it probably will move forward immensely in the future. Okay, well thank you. That's a rousing concluding note. Plus we have to be optimistic about human progress and America. We are going to hold you to the Britain versus Japan bet. We'll come back to that. And if you see Larry around later on, my unasked question you can ask him personally is his personal health and fitness secret. Because he is looking sleeker than I have ever seen. So thank you very much. I've got to do this for a friend. Dr. Mark Hyman is sitting in this room somewhere. And there he is, right there in second row. We'll be at Davos. My wife dragged me more or less kicking and screaming to see him. I did what he told me. And there has been progress in there being less of me since that took place. I had a stock joke that I used in all kinds of settings, you know, how much should we improve American education, people would say, or how much should we reduce the budget deficit. And I'd always say, you know, that's like asking how much weight I should lose. I don't know exactly, but there's very little danger that I'll lose too much. That's still true. But it's less true than it was at the various times when I made the joke. Thank you.


Simon, a whirlwind couple of days for you, just explain what's happened. Yeah, so I've been doing my rehab over the past few weeks since the boys last game at Everton. I've been in the following days and working hard to get my fitness back, come back after the small operation I'd had on my knee. And then myself and Jayce had a conversation on Friday in the office and the club felt moving forward that there wasn't an opportunity to renew my contract, my playing contract. And whilst I was obviously disappointed, I respected the decision. I know which way the club is moving. I know it wants to move forward again and get back to the top as soon as possible. And like I said, of course, I was disappointed. I'd love to carry on my playing years at this club, the club that I love. But it was a decision I had to respect. And here we are now, yeah, a few days later. Not possibly the end of the road? No, I hope not. Not playing wise. I want to get back to full fitness, which is hopefully a few weeks away. See what level I'm at then. See what opportunities there are. Obviously, that plays a big part. I think in the current climate, it's going to be hard for a lot of players to find new football clubs, regardless of their age or coming off the back of an injury. So I think it would be tough for me. It might be a waiting game, certainly. The transfer window won't close till October. And then it will come down to if I actually want to wait that long, or I want to explore other opportunities. So we'll see. Are there any other opportunities, possibly at AFC Bournemouth? Yeah, there's been some potential talks behind the scenes. I mean, I'd love to stay at the football club without a doubt, whether that's now or in a year's time after continue playing. But the club know that. I know that. I think I could offer a lot to the football club having just come out of the game, having just come out of the dressing room with all those players. And I feel the club needs that experience and that know-how of being in the dressing room, especially coming out of the game so quickly. So I hope I can offer that, if that is a role that is talked about. But we will see over the next couple of weeks. You said that you'd love to stay at the club. Just take yourself back to November 2011 when you sat on the bench and watched a 6-0 defeat by Brentford in the Football League trophy. Did you love the club then? I won't say I loved it now. I was looking around thinking what I've got myself into. But it's funny really because it was a step down for me at the time. I came from Charlton on a stroke of luck really. And the story goes that it was Bournemouth or Carlisle for me on loan. And as soon as I mentioned Carlisle to Mrs. She broke down in tears. We were out at dinner and that's a true story. She was crying saying we can't go to Carlisle. So then I rang Brad as I said, yeah, I'm on my way down. It suits me. And I have to thank Lee Bradbury for that. I always do. Me, Simon, I think Nathan Byrne got injured at the time. So I was quite fortunate. Came down, played a few games on loan. Sat on the bench for that first cup game. And I loved it straight away. I loved the area. I loved the group of the lads that were already there. Some of the boys that are still there now. And ex-players as well. And I felt a real sense of like a family style atmosphere. I've never experienced before at a football club. And straight away I knew that this is a place I wanted to be for years to come. I think the team were in the bottom half of League One when you came down and you debuted in the FA Cup against Gillingham and went on to lose that replay. Things weren't really all going in the club's favour in those days. No, they weren't. It was certainly turbulent times. You know, obviously Lee Bradbury came out of the job and Paul Groves came in. And I would actually say he implemented a style of football that suited us, the squad that we had and then Eddie inherited. We started to pass the ball a lot more. We had a good squad at the time. You know, the money was coming into the football club slowly, but surely there was obviously Max Stenham coming in behind the scenes. And it was looking a little bit more stable. It was looking comfortable. And then for me the icing on the cake was when Eddie walked back through the door. You could just tell instantly it was almost overnight or it was his first day in. I always remember his first day when we had to walk down to the beach and he spoke to everybody individually. Had a real impact on every single player that day. And you could just tell in training the intensity just went up straight away. Went on a great run of games and that was when the belief started coming in that we could do something special. You've touched on it there, but played for three different managers in the space of 11 months. That must be quite unsettling for a player. Yeah, it wasn't ideal. I remember Fletch, he won't like me for saying this, but I think the second day I was there he stepped down as assistant to carry on playing and got really emotional about it. And I'd just been on the bench for that 6-0 defeat to Brentford and I just couldn't get my head round what was happening. So it was certainly an exciting few weeks just to say the least. But like I said, over the coming months there was definitely more stability coming into it and the manager coming back was the real high point without a doubt. All the players knew that. Like I said, he was the first to admit he inherited a really good squad. A lot of ability in there. We'd spent a bit of money on some important players at the time. Myself, Cookie and Chazz all joined at a similar time. And then the manager added real quality over the coming years and we just went from strength to strength.  You scored a thunderous drive which whistled past the Tramir goalkeeper. Yeah, one of not many that I've scored over the past few years and that'll probably be one of my biggest regrets that I've never scored in the Premier League. My son always goes on about it. Can I watch your goals back and some of them are so blurry that long ago. A couple in the championship, Wigan and Bolton I think. The Tramir one which is probably one of my favourites actually. But yeah, no Premier League goal to my name which is a slight disappointment but doesn't tarnish anything that I've done at the football club certainly. I'd love to have scored more goals but for some reason I just enjoyed getting forward and making assists really. Making the forefront of my mind to bomb on and try to help the team out in that way. Promotion obviously at the end of the 2012-2013 season you got what you'd wanted. Yeah, without a doubt. Like I said with the manager walked back through the door we really had a sense of belief. We had some really good players who I thought straight away could play higher instantly and I think the manager believed that as well. And went on a great run of form when a lot of games changed our style, our philosophy almost instantly and it suited the group of players down to the ground. And even when we were right out of league one we just knew that we'd be good in the championship. We probably lacked a little bit of physicality that showed in the first few games I think Watford and Huddersfield would be fairly heavily so we knew yet to add that to our side of the game. But we did that and we competed really well in our first season but we always knew there was more to come. Just in those first two seasons in the championship you only missed four league games in total as well. That was a proud attendance record if you like. Yeah, certainly. I started to change what I was doing off the field as well. I was certainly living better. I was eating the right foods. I'd had my daughter when we first moved down. She's nine now and that gives you that extra sense of responsibility certainly I think the lads who have got children will admit that gives you a more responsible role in and around the training ground on the pitch as well because you feel like you want to make your family proud, your children proud and that certainly was in my mind to do that and I thought what can I do to get the best out of my game to achieve the most out of my career at Bournemouth and that was certainly to change things off the field. Sleep better. I know the lads do it now, sleeping in a separate room in the night before a game just to ensure that you're at your best and eat the right foods. That was massive for me. I changed my diet. The club are great with that now over the past few years. It's been excellent, that's been in place and I really felt the benefits from that and staying injury free obviously, that plays a big part but I think everything I spoke about goes hand in hand with that. The players very quickly found their feet in the championship in that first season and then in the second season obviously promotion to the Premier League but it wasn't all plain sailing in that season. I think you were fifteenth in September before Arthur Borich arrived. Yeah, it was tough like I said we were still getting to grips with the physicality of it and we probably needed that experience. A lot of the players we had hadn't played a load of games in the championship and Arthur Borich coming in was just he just settled down everyone. You know the character he is. He's so relaxed, he's very laid back and he was exactly what we needed at the time. Played a huge part in coming in and just really making everybody more relaxed concentrated more. I know that sounds like the opposite but when we knew we had Arthur Borich behind us he'd let him down because he'd let you know about it if you made a mistake for sure and he did really well for us he was one of the pivotal reasons we got promoted so yeah another key signing for us. And a proud ever present record in the club's first season in the Premier League as well. Yeah well again I think it goes with how I was trying to change my lifestyle off the field I'd had the confidence from being promoted at the championship I knew I was doing the right things off the pitch I wanted to play as many games as I could I was chomping at the bit every single weekend to get out there and improve myself and I loved every minute of it I felt fit, I felt strong even coming up against some of the best players in the world in that season in the Premier League the Manchester City's away and Eden Hazard I remember having some really tough battles with him playing full back but I wanted to test myself at that point I felt like I was at a good level to be playing at and I loved every single minute of that first season. And the departure of one of your team-mates Tommy Elfic resulted in you getting the captain's armband that must have been a proud moment for you as well. Yeah it was a proud moment but also sad because me and Tommy got on really well so did the whole squad but he knew that he wasn't playing as many games as he would have liked to he knew he had to go and play some games Villa was a great move for him at the time and I'd had the armband a couple of times in the championship in his absence and then in the Premier League when he wasn't playing as well so I had an inkling that I might have got it on a permanent basis I felt like I'd done enough to get it but the manager kept me waiting for a few days in pre-season and the lads were kind of questioning it saying well I'm not sure if you're going to get it now you know you haven't been told anything so I was a little bit nervous and then he called me into his office and told me that he wanted me to have it on a full-time basis and I was absolutely delighted it was certainly one of the highlights of my career to be named club captain something that I took really seriously I felt I'd worked hard for it over the past few years like I spoke about and yeah it was something that made me very proud and I loved every minute of that Tommy says that the team that won the championship he thinks it was the best championship team of all time is it something that you would concur with? That's a big statement from Tom but that's Tommy for you because he backed everything that he believed in he was great like that he was a real motivator in the changing room and I'd say we had quite contrasting styles really as captains I learnt loads off him but I wasn't going to try and be somebody I wasn't so I wasn't going to be as vocal as him in the changing room but I wanted to try and lead by example on the pitch of my performances and off the pitch try and be a role model for a lot of the younger players and I felt I did that and there's no doubt about that season in the championship we were something special without a doubt the only team that I can see that has been close to that or the squad that have been close to that in recent years probably leads this season they've been phenomenal the last couple of seasons but they got their rewards this season Fulham obviously they've been great playing a great brand of football but it's funny everyone I speak to friends and family and fans around the area always talk about that championship season how excited it got them every single game that they love watching us play they love the partnerships we had in the team the relationships and that year was certainly one of the fondest memories of my career And what about leading the club to their highest Premier League finish as well? Yeah, again so many fond memories to talk of so many positives and I'm not really one for swapping shirts or getting things signed that kind of thing I probably wish I'd done it more actually and got a few more shirts signed with players I played against but I've got two shirts up in the gym signed by all the lads of that season when we finished ninth because it was a special season we ended really well we had some great results and it just felt like this was as not as far as we could come because the season after we felt we could go and play European football but I think we lost the first five games so that kind of went out of the window so I knew that had been a special season and definitely one to remember and again really proud to have played a part in that Not too many negatives that you spoke about but there was that fateful day against Tottenham Hotspur on Boxing Day where your footballing world came crashing down Yeah, it did I mean the ACL injury the one that all footballers fear many years ago it would have ended a lot of careers obviously it still can because there can be complications coming back from that you get reoccurring injuries afterwards you get other compensating injuries on the other leg or in and around the knee or anything can happen after an ACL that's for sure and I remember the day really clearly we'd had a lot of games in the build-up and I was playing full back and then right over back three at times and sent a half and I didn't feel as energetic or as fit as I had done in previous games and I knew those games were taking their toll on me whether that was an age thing or not but the squad I think we had a few injuries at the time so I was playing every single game the manager said he'd like to have rested me if he could but it just wasn't possible and the game before I think we might have played Liverpool at home and I bombed on an overlap and I was struggling to get back in and that wasn't like me and that's when I knew that I might not have been feeling as fit as before and then we played Tottenham away after and I just remember Sunday and a nice trick on me and my leg just gave way and instantly it was a pain that I'd never felt before a sharp stabbing pain that didn't go away and then the adrenaline must have kicked in that's what the doc said and the pain was almost gone and I thought I might have got away with it but as soon as I got to the hospital which was an hour later they diagnosed it a rupture of the ACL and yeah it was a long road back from there During that long road it was nine months in total were there ever any dark moments that you were going to get back here? Yeah, there was and I think any player who has that injury especially the older they get they'd probably be lying if they said they didn't because the first couple of months were an absolute nightmare I couldn't even get out of bed without getting crutches or feeling light headed I was using the game ready ice machine six times a day sleeping with it on swelling wasn't going down I went out to Philadelphia to lose cook and I had more problems with the back of my knee I couldn't straighten my leg out I was nine months into the rehab so there were times when I thought I wasn't going to get back and then I just I made one focus made one goal my aim and that was just to lead the lads out and I just wanted that at the front of my mind to be able to lead the lads out I was captain one more time wherever it is, whoever it's against and that was the closure that I wanted and I'd never told anyone that before but that would have been Chelsea away when I came back and we won away from home 1-0 with Gozzo's VAR goal that we had and after that game I remember sitting at home with a beer and I just said to myself if I don't achieve anything else then I know I've come back from an ACL at 33 years old and still captain the lads in the Premier League so that was a huge moment for me Two young kitties and a lovely wife surely I should imagine you had to lean on them a lot as well during those nine months Yeah I did and they were great they were the rock for me really my wife she certainly found it hard because she knows I'm a fairly strong character I don't often show my feelings so every day I'd say yeah I'm fine but inside she knew it was hurting me the kids didn't understand what was going on really they were at school my little boy was asking me to be in the garden every single day and I couldn't get out there I didn't even want to go out there at times so it was tough it really was but like I said the small light at the end of the tunnel was that fact that I could try and get out there one more time anything else would have been a bonus and then the worst part is that the other knee injury I had for the past few months was completely separate to the ACL it was done in the Brighton game at home I'd just chipped a bit of cartilage away from my kneecap and I just couldn't get that back to Norman to the operation recently so that was a really frustrating time for me as well because I think everybody else would have thought that was related to the ACL injury but it was and it was a completely new one and you said you didn't feature after lockdown because of the second knee injury as well what was that like watching the team empty stadiums not the best start to lockdown obviously picked up towards the end and then just failed to get over the line at the end probably the worst part of my career if I'm honest Neil it was worse than my ACL injury because I didn't actually know what was wrong with me the whole of lockdown I felt great I was cycling nearly every single day wasn't running or actually training as much as I probably should have but I felt that cycling would have been the best thing for my knee and just concentrating on gym work and then I came back in the first session back after lockdown it just flared up and just couldn't get it right again I was losing fitness again training once a week and then not being able to train again for the rest of the week and it was ridiculous the situation I was in so I demanded that I had to have the operation had to go and see the surgeon get it cleared out just for peace of mind more than anything and then to sit and watch the lads in empty stadiums was just it was a nightmare it was horrible really and I think that affected us definitely I mean we haven't got a massive stadium and we know that but we certainly relied on the atmosphere and I think that made a big difference for us down at the bottom we needed the fans more than ever and to not have them there was a huge blow you've seen quite a lot of the clubs medical staff in the past couple of years and I'm sure that you'd like to thank them for their efforts as well yeah there's so many people I'd like to thank of course the medical team I've worked with all of them on a day-to-day basis really high quality physios as well that I've had to put up with me and a few other lads that have been injured because we've had our fair share of injuries to be fair but there's a long list of thank you's of course and I'll let them people know as well definitely with phone calls and text messages not just the medical team players other staff members for sure and of course the fans who have been so loyal over the years Eddie Howe obviously stepped down at the end of the season and has been replaced by Jason Tindall just give us a word on both of those guys and how they've played a key role in your career yeah I mean where do I start especially with Eddie obviously I think what's really interesting is that they're quite contrasting characters and I think they've said that recently as well the manager is definitely a realist and he likes to think worst case scenario just to be prepared and Jason's always a positive guy and he can see the positive in any situation I think that's why he would be successful at the football club certainly with Steven Purchase by his side that would be a great appointment a really good coach and a good friend as well but to talk about Eddie I could talk for hours about him to be honest without a doubt the best manager the best coach I've ever played for the manager who made me believe I could play in the Premier League because before he came back to the football club I was trying to carve out a career in League 1 and at best in the championship until he spoke to me on the first day back down at the beach and said that he thought I was one of the best fullbacks he'd seen play and I don't think any manager had ever said that to me and from then on I thought I'd run through brick walls for him and I tried my hardest every day for him worked hard his style and his philosophy at the football club suited us down to the ground and we worked very hard for him but he worked even harder for us trying to get the best out of us and he certainly did that Jason's made it quite clear that he's going to be his own man but also he said that there's a lot he can take from Eddie into his managerial career Well why wouldn't he I mean the success that he's had with Eddie and being able to learn all those years with him there's certainly coaching styles of his that stand out for me he was a good defensive coach he worked on set plays really well and he feels like he's going to be the man for the job and I can't see why not to be honest in the short turnaround we have and to bring in a new manager who doesn't necessarily know the history and the philosophy of the football club would be hard now I think with the championship season starting soon and then the amount of games we're going to have I think it was the right option without a doubt to bring Jason in because he knows this course so well we need to hit the ground running there's no doubt about that we want to bounce back straight away and I say we because I'm still talking like I'm there or maybe as a fan because that's what I am now without a doubt I want to get to as many games as possible and watch the boys and help in any way I can and yeah I think Jason's going to be the right man 644 career appearances more than 300 for Bournemouth give us your favourite Bournemouth performance wow that's a good question there's loads to choose from Neil honestly I mean I'd love to say any of the Premier League ones I think the first win away from home at Chelsea was massive when we won 1-0 and Glen Norrie popped up I got man of a match that night and that was a really big moment that was when I genuinely believed that we were capable of staying in the Premier League and I thought myself that I could be a Premier League player for a few years with the club there was the three assists against Leeds in the championship that stands out on a personal level the Charlton game was massive for me that was definitely up there when we got promoted to go back to a team that said that I wasn't good enough to play for them and then to go up as champions at Charlton away that was one of my proudest moments as well so it's tough I'll go with the Charlton one on the last day of the season Brilliant well thanks very much for your time and on behalf of everybody supporters, staff, players as well I'd like to thank you for your outstanding service to the club down the years it's been an absolute pleasure to deal with you Thank you Neil, thank you