There's no way. There's already a piece of track there really outside the mountain really what manufacturer is it? Inverter wing ever. I'm just gonna call Brendan and let him know Bonjour, believe it or not. I did that first try every time what the microcording I did that's not true One time It's working. It's true. Hopefully we'll see is audio. Okay. I Lost my son boom arm. Thanks to you guys and all the echoing. I Mean it's still here. I know I know Jake gets to hold the Yeah, but it's the cooler Mike you guys sound amazing so this fix the problem. Yeah, but that's from uncle I am so it's not good. Yeah, um, it's good. Great job. Awesome. Yeah, okay. Wow. Wow this This might be the start of something big What what do you mean it's not no it is you know how many pictures I wish we could have the discord up so you Could see how many pictures we've been sifting through for the last six You'll see why in a minute, but for the last how long has it been three hours? Have we been here in two hours? Yeah, I've been sifting through photos. Well It is track there is track on site and it I will say and you guys can agree to this It is very telling of what's happening Agree or disagree You don't think there's a reason what about you Jake could be preventative maintenance But it could also be I like from what I know of working at the ski lift They have to replace the whole rope every seven years something like that But it also could be for the new ride. It's a very it's no because I'll explain that track segment isn't of importance There's something that spins the car. It's a metal arm We just gave it away Anyways Echoing apparently it is that Mike It's because Jake is talking into this one. Oh It's the same difference But it's the Mike Okay, so there is track on site and we're gonna go over it There is there is a hundred percent in importance to it that you guys are missing out So if it was preventative maintenance, why would it be covered in a tarp? No, we're near a maintenance shed because it can't get wet. It's in the mountain all the time It's full. Are we allowed to talk about this?  It can't get wet. It's in them It's always is draft tires on it. It's just not a piece. I should be getting what nobody sensors It would have gone. No, you're missing the point. It would have gone to the warehouse Maybe they didn't have the other thing to move it yet. How did it get to where it? Well, I don't know how did it get to where it is, okay? But the warehouse is on a complete other side of the park So to forklift it out of the mountain to there is way different than to forklift it from out of the mountain to across the park No, they would have done it trust me when you guys see this this is the telltale side Repainting the section of track. So we're on team disagree. There's a why would they repaint that one small section my mind This is team screw Brendan. Yeah, and that's team Brendan. Oh, yeah, that's the wrong That's not the only one you want to be on this team.  You can crack it did nothing. Yeah, it's honestly so disappointing. I worked snow removal there It's not been any snow like it's what was like seven degrees today. There's no snow I did get a job. I start this weekend at At the ski hill, so that'll be good for like a month at what ski hill. I Don't know if I'm allowed to say so I'm just gonna say a ski hill What do you mean you don't know if you're allowed to say I signed the contract, but I didn't read it Jake works at the ski. I work at ice. He'll somewhere in the GTA How about you Craig? I've done nothing this week. What did did we do anything? No, you did the video on Wednesday Oh, we did our first like live react. Yeah, see we did do something see I filmed a video on Wednesday And otherwise I've been literally going like for late night drives every night. That's been it That is so eventful. I get paid to do nothing I get paid if it snows or it doesn't What about you Brendan? What'd you do this week? I did a lot, so I am training up in a different city that's tough and It is a lot of work. I'm hold on one second. I'm typing something. Does one of you want to take over about your week? We just went over okay change the subject for a second go over something while I type this Okay, so wonderland This guy's giga coaster called Levi I thought we're supposed to make this. Oh Okay, so Jacob in discord last week was complaining if Orion is a gig or not I want to hear in you guys in the chat. Is Orion a gig or not? You're wrong. So yeah, is Orion a giga is a right now or what what so can we hear about your week now or what? Okay, well, okay, it's eventful. There's I'm my sister apparently Down the stairs and broke her ankle and he's laughing about an hour before this podcast. She's okay She's okay. She's in the hospital, but she's okay And no one was home. So Yeah, that was crazy. I came home to that and now we're starting a podcast after it I don't know why this is something you'd want to share, but okay I mean, that's my that's my week and I'm training a new store up in Guelph. So Yeah, my week's crazy. I've been driving lots of driving twice a day flying the drone Yeah, so this this debate you started that's crazy. It's Orion a giga. It's a giga. Oh my god Here we go with this again. It's a giga. If Orion is a giga Jacob was complaining about it. Oh So should we get into our first topic? Yes, Kingswood Okay We go again with a picture in two lines on it So Wonderland's current little storage facility is now got control points Starting to form around it And if you guys remember at the beginning of the season, I feel like if you've watched my recent video You know what I'm about to talk about they did what's called traversing So they traversed all of I don't know if that's actually what they call it I'm inventing that word right now They traversed the entire area of action zone and Kingswood so we saw a lot of those reflective Targets and we saw a lot of those red and white checker points So now the control points are going in and what that's going to do essentially is it's going to confirm that the traversing was done Correctly and that all the information that was sent off to an engineering firm Is correct and once they have that They will be able to begin what they have designed in their CAD file so I thought that was interesting and I wanted to show give an example of where we saw this happen So front gate construction right before it began we saw those control points for them We thought there was something else at the time But now we've learned exactly what it was and those four points that enclose to the front gate construction area Popped up probably about a week before I was thinking September No, it was at the beginning of hot no not the markings the actual like triangles. Yeah, those popped up near the end of haunt As I was spray paint were they spray painted? Yeah. Well, yeah, that was new then yeah It was a rate before Winterfest. Oh, right. Yes. Yeah because I remember they're back in my video, but essentially Those are from what I was told what It's like right before they're about to begin a construction. We saw that at front gate So I thought that was interesting because Kingswood If you were to ask me without seeing these control points, I would have been like no, it's nowhere near ready to start construction There's no signs of construction It's literally a storage lot now and it is still being used as a storage lot So I just found this timing really interesting now It'll be even more interesting is if they actually veer off to the left and not the right because then it's enclosing a Very specific area and with that rumored water park expansion coming. There is the possibility for that But from what I saw yesterday, it is definitely starting to enclose Kingswood No, there can be there needs to be a minimum of four points. Yeah, yeah But what are your guys's thoughts on this? Do you think that? Like okay, so you already know my opinions based off of my video. I released yesterday What are your opinions the video that I definitely watched? Yeah, what do you think they're gonna do with Kingswood? It was my best video yet, I think I'm not gonna sit here and say I think I know what they're gonna do with it But I can sit here and say it'd be cool to make it some sort of Hotel slash resort I want that spot to be it's again You'd be able to look out your windows see you wonderland see the park You'd be able to walk right into the park. You wouldn't need a shuttle server. None of it be the perfect spot for it Yeah Well, you were mentioning that the city of Vaughan would pay for a water park indoor water park like almost entirely So like yeah, so we're saying we wonderland but pays for and builds the hotel part and then Like the water park is installed by the city of Vaughan Not installed by the city of Vaughan, but see you've on pace for that So wonderland can advertise a water park inside of their hotel and not even have to pay for it Like I feel like that seems like prime. They should definitely go for prime land With a park like wonderland to it's essentially you have Cedar Point with like four resorts on property even more Yeah, two on property and two off I think yeah, so it makes zero sense why one of their biggest parks has zero Still and carowins in a family market with people traveling from Quebec again a lot of people forget that everyone's like Oh, it's such a local park. It's not as local as you think even the states if you walk take a walk through the parking lot You can count five six seven completely different license plates from completely different places So it literally it makes sense There's a reason that Cedar Point has less attendance than wonderland also the American dollar, but triples its number in revenue Triples an over exaggeration, but it like wonderland needs a resort. I know enthusiasts don't like that, but it needs a resort We do Any other thoughts about Kingswood? What about that rumored water park expansion?  I don't think there's gonna be any water park expansion happening in that I still think my busters days are numbered a lot of people disagree with me I disagree. I want to disagree with you on that. I know everyone does I want to do but Retracking does not mean a ride is gonna leave isn't gonna leave just a Small section If it was the whole ride then we could say otherwise, but it's just a small that's the only bad part of the ride With the rumor of there being such a large water park expansion coming Where would it go like mine buster like if you think about carer ones?  It's literally a straight pathway one way and a straight pathway back with bridges already In the water park they wouldn't do that No, they would want that in their dry part Yeah, they want that in the dry park you could put the entrance in the dry park, but have it go through the water park I don't know. I don't know wonderland's future in is is crazy It's it's unpredictable. I'm buster is so popular now Most of the time the queue for mine buster is full Okay, but you could use the same argument that the water park is also crazy popular. No, it's not There's so many days. It's all weather dependent on the water park at the end of the day It is but I mean where do you want them to build the water park? I don't prefer To be too crowded for me to go well a resort isn't gonna like overcrowd the water park overcrowd the park Again cedar fair is a resort entertainment company. They're not a theme park or an amusement park company cedar fair actually specializes in resort management, so To to think that wonderland it shouldn't get a a resort is kind of crazy in my opinion with its size and its gas load We need it. There's nowhere to stay. Yeah. Yeah, I think the closest high like big big hotels are by highway seven Yeah, like where the Dave and Buster's is in the Cineplex Which is a pretty far that's like a 15 20 minute drive especially in traffic. That's not close to a wonderland All the buses that's upwards of half an hour. Yeah Shall we get into the juiciness? Let's go. All right I don't know you're definitely wrong, so I'll explain so this is a guardian piece of track This is more specifically a track segment right as you enter the mountain It would essentially your train would hit this and it would spin into the screen mode So this has been removed from up in the mountain and placed here So I'm gonna explain why it's placed here and why that's important So when they remove this track segment over by vortex and lifted it down What makes sense about them bringing it to this back area?  I should have put this I should have put the map on top of the mountain where the wing coaster is Probably gonna exit and it is roughly very close to where this track segment would have been located So you could assume that the clearance envelope from this to Guardian are very close Yes, Guardian Thunder Run and vortex are like literally Surrounding where this wing coaster is gonna it's gonna be just kind of shoved in there Yeah, I mean, there's no other option So I wouldn't be surprised if we see a few more track pieces come up I just I don't know we still don't know if the 2025 coaster is a wing or an invert Is it a wing or is it an invert? Literally that's the whole theme and then after they announced it it comes down But yeah, so I think it's really telling there is work obviously going on in the mountain And they've removed this track section and it hasn't gone home is what I'll call it It hasn't gone home for its its maintenance There isn't anything on here that would require maintenance that they wouldn't be able to do in the ride So for example if the drive tires needed to be replaced Yeah, you have to take a piece of track. Yeah, they could have just fixed the dry tires right there And I just really want to not believe you That's what it is. I also Wonderland has their own welders So if it needed welding like Leviathan, they would have just done it directly there There isn't anything that this track piece specific piece of track would have needed maintenance on for it to be removed Can we make it clear for the chat so we they know what like what how we know that that's be guardians piece of track. Oh How do they know okay, so how we know it is guardians piece of track is there they can see your cursor They can't know they can't yeah, okay, so to the farthest top part of the the blue tarp You'll see two black Prongs right right there, and then you'll see a silver bar The silver bars flipped Right now it is Hold on one second. I got a mute for a sec. Oh, I don't need I should have done this. Can you hear us now? Good luck figuring out. We were getting an update on my sister Someone knew right away So she's fine. She's coming back when What did she just say? I wasn't listening. I was listening. My mom just updated us. I Was so embarrassed if you guys could hear my mom shouting when my sister was coming home When she coming home Sunday Sunday, so she's okay everyone my sister's okay, but what was I saying about? Oh, so the two black prongs and the silver bar thing. Yeah, yeah What thing that I look where my fingers. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's kind of where it is Here, let me help you there So, yeah, we're gonna have to keep an eye out cuz I mean, this is just this is very interesting Yeah, I to me it's tell that we've been seeing vehicles drive into the mountain on stop companies that wouldn't be working on this coaster like What's the name of the electrical company it just slipped my mind brother for it. No, our well Hartwell Hartwell has been driving in there Rutherford's been driving in there contractors have been driving in there again It all is pointing to pre-work going on inside the mountain now We're gonna have to see a little more and There was supposed to be I don't know how much I can say of this There was supposed to be an announcement today on the podcast With Wonderland releasing some information for us to share Which would have been even more telling but it's been postponed until next week So, this is what you message me. Yes, this is what I posted. Yeah, so I was told just to wait They just need final clearance and then we'll make an announcement on next week's podcast Hopefully fingers crossed so with that announcement. It'll be very obvious What's what is kind of gonna happen, especially the wording So that's all I can tease there I was really hoping to announce it today because it would have worked perfectly with this with this I almost wonder if that's why the park postponed it till next week but yeah So what are your opinions on the track piece and why it's located it just say everything Why is it located there? Yeah, just anything. I want to know what myself why it's located I think it's just the most convenient closest spot to put it where trucks aren't driving on the pathways Because that pathway doesn't really lead anywhere after that building. Yeah, it's a dead-end.  So it's definitely not being shipped out No, that's not a delay because if it was a delivery by the maintenance building Yeah, and then if they put it like under vortex where like right where it came out There's trucks driving in an air so they can't have it right there. Can I oh keep going? So the only next closest position I would see is like on top of lazy bears patio, but they're not gonna put it there Yeah, yeah, it would have they would have lifted it down Put it on the the brick road right beside the mountain if they were too lazy to move it right away somewhere else They would have left it right there. Yeah, cuz now someone's got to come down and around into this dead-end pick it up and then move it So it makes zero sense. Okay. So, but what would they be doing with it taking off? How would this one piece help anything? So this piece could be in a specific section where they're ripping a bit of the wall down and they didn't want to damage the Track or anything or it's like they're have to remove the support underneath and rejigger the supports Yeah, they can't have the track being held up by nothing. There's so many different things like it could be but What we're trying to say is this is a hundred percent in my opinion Validating that work is going on in this area and my prediction Again, like this we mapped it out There is next to nowhere else the wing coaster could exit the mountain other than right near this track segment I've shown them they've seen I wish I I think I've actually did it on last week's podcast I did I did do it on last week's podcast. Yeah, so if you remember anywhere else They're not gonna remove their highest peak of the mountain for this coaster. That's the only other section It wouldn't make sense that they would have removed to that and I believe there's waterfall plumbing there So it would have been really difficult for it to come out right away So they're gonna launch it further back and it's kind of come out in between vortexes lift hill where it crests Guardian and Thunder Runs Helix a really tight fit sure where they all are So Yeah, I mean this is crazy again like this is Wonderland's most eventful off-season. I've ever witnessed I've you guys know I've been flying my drone for seven years. That's the last season the last season But that didn't start until Like February March, that's when everything started picking up the painting and all that and I was like, oh my god Every day it was like something new right now You're fine today Relatively yeah, and still finding new things every time you fly. I literally fly twice a day But you find new things every time Yeah, between when you're there in the morning and when you're there at night something changes I'm between when you're there that the night to the next morning something's changed So I want to explain something really funny about this So I was flying originally and I saw it and I'm like mmm doesn't look like to me I'm like, you know picturing B&M track in my head I'm like, I'm like, oh Wonderland really I'm like it looked like a decoy like in my honest opinion I was like did they really have the time and the energy to do that? I'm like of no importance to the park So I'm like sitting in discord laughing at the fact that I'm being trolled by Wonderland because to me it looked very Trolley, but then so I decided to take a high definition picture which I can then go on my 4k Laptop and I like analyze the image and I'm like, oh, this is look this looks like B&M track like we can see the rails in the tarp if you look closely you can see the circular rails I'm like, that's that's track. I'm like, it's looking kind of tall It's looking like, you know as tall as the pylons all is a construction called those things are not sure Yeah, and if a human was standing next to it So then we looked at photos of Craig is standing next to Yukon's track and then we're picturing, you know Wing coaster track, which is similar to giga coaster track. We're like, okay, this looks This looks correct. This looks right, but then we're like, okay, but the length of it is a little not correct That that that was what was questionable. Yeah, I also feel that B&M would ship more than one piece to the park. Yes When the tunnel was built they had four pieces. Yeah, that was two at a time Yeah, that was two at a time. This could have been like we don't know what's inside the mountain Yeah, but we're not saying this isn't B&M track. This is a hundred percent guardian track with its little guardrail there But yeah, it would have really helped if we just watched the Guardian POV In the dark, yeah, because the gate closes this is right where that gate is Yeah, but when the gates open when you fly in you'd be able to pause it and see it Do you know what also has me thinking why I just realized something where it gets why So we looked at all those construction photos, right? Yeah It was an enclosed space with a brick wall beside this specific track segment if you remember. Yeah How did how did they get this out of the mountain? Where the same way it came where the train comes in they wouldn't have been able to do that had been too difficult How do you get the crane bit in there? Do we have and why is this down where the basement door garage door is? Because it was taken out through the mountain They probably have removed a hole. They probably removed that brick wall What brick wall? There's wall inside of there. Do I have the photo? Let me put the photo Let me see if I can put the photo for you guys to brick wall in the mountain I know where you're talking. Oh, I don't have it here. Yeah, so Guardian has JD. Where's that photo? Hold on guys. Let me let me let me it was in VCT. I think right. Oh, no, it was something else I saw the brick wall and the meta knocked it down Yeah, a crane inside through all the scaffolding and Could also be the same crane that Oh the ice rink Maybe yeah, I think there was a crane in the mountain that lifted this track segment out and down Here's another telltale sign from any of your drone footage. Can you not see that side of the mountain? It would be very difficult. No, um No from the townhouse area. I can see that side of the mountain easily. I'm saying do you have any of that footage? Nothing I saw today. I look I look every day because that's where the surveyor was Let me get an image up for you guys So essentially what you're looking at on the ground is right here. This is the tracks I can't see that. You're gonna move the camera so we can point. Let me point at it. Oh, it's okay They they can make out that you guys saw the previous image over here This way oh What am I doing? This way yeah, this way So this is the track segment that is on the ground we our research abilities are crazy now We were like literally we had 45 minutes to the podcast Let me get to the live chat so I can keep up with you guys just bumping this question for the time Because what are you hearing about the condition of the mountain and its ability to support various coaster models? I'll have to get back to you on that But if you look there's yet another question from before I think that was pretty interesting too Are the Kingswood the Kings? Oh, those are the only ones. Yeah at the current moment So right off to that track piece where it comes up and heads towards the trains Right behind that is a brick wall like literally a brick wall not like a cement wall So I mean it easily could have been knocked down again the wing coaster Based off of my thing would be coming up right almost behind that track segment Yes, let's take that track piece out. They have to get a crane inside them on and go Not drop it but lower it just going into discord the check. Oh I look cute But yeah, so it's really interesting like I'm really curious because this just popped I flew This morning by the way flew this morning. That wasn't there but Nothing what happened. Did you fart? No, you did So did you didn't get to talk on it did you talk on what what you think about the track piece and its location And I just wanted to disagree with you. That was my talking. Oh, yeah I was just curious to know why you think that that piece being removed has Anything to do with anything and not just preventative maintenance. Well, so as I said What in the maintenance building it would want it would be in the maintenance building But two did they remove Leviathan's piece of track to weld and fix it? No They did it on site on the coast. That's a lot bigger of a project to remove than it is to remove a guardian Why would you so again? How did they if it's just prevented a maintenance without taking down the walls? How did they get that track segment out? I? Don't even know what walls you're talking So as you see here That's a problem. How did they get that track segment out of the mound with you have to remember? There's height clearance problem too with that little hole in the time I was asking if you had footage of Guardian because I want to see what that area of the mountain looks like now You've been on the right. It's a hallway. It's literally a hallway and then you go around Yeah, there's no ability to get that track segment out without there being a wall down or they Ninjad a crane thing in that hole Attached it and lifted it out of a small little like entrance and exit in the mountain The more I'm talking about this the more sold I am that there is a missing wall in there But look you see it in our photo, right? Look how high this track is off the ground right in the mountain So look where the tracks is look how much how high that is how much Jason Jason said it correctly It's a cinder block wall. Thank you Jason. Yeah, that's correct And the thing is you can see that there the track is they connected to the supports It's well that it's not bolted so that whole piece has to come off Yeah, so and then secondly so I'll go out just to debunk everything you're saying no coaster Essentially moves removes a track segment and then goes does maintenance on it in the off-season for no apparent Especially for Guardian too they could go in the mound and do it with no problem Drive tires that are there would have been worked on right there the electrical components sensors all that again you've been on behemoth and You've seen or there's rides a Yukon when the ride goes down due to a sensor. They replace the sensor They don't remove the track piece There's nothing on this coaster that would have required preventative maintenance on it Unless this the thing that spins the car is broke But then the ride would be down before the end of the season and then look you can see the removable piece right there Oh, yeah, that's how it's that's why in our photo. It's reversed. Oh Yeah, yeah, there's no reason It's just interesting. I have to see it to believe it. I'm telling you right now. There's a missing wall in that mountain right now Exactly Justin justice Oh Do you think that there is a way that they can lift the track segment with jacks and roll it on the track to be able To get the crane to hook onto it. I Mean, yeah, there's a possibility, but that's crazy For what for what for what purpose and this isn't a high stress moment of the ride either Yeah, that's it's still the leads the question for what yeah, why'd they take it off and then like in that case It would have been easier to the turn that I can confirm the turn into the mount is still there I looked at it today But so that I feel like they would have removed those track pieces to to get at it easier because then that if I saw the turn removed I'd be like, okay, it would make more sense. Yeah, I'm saying That's what I don't know So Yeah, this is crazy. Like I'm really excited because this is like I Wish Wonderland was ready to announce the thing I wanted them to announce today But yeah, I definitely have to respect. We're not even gonna talk about it because The parks that they weren't ready to give me or they didn't get the clearance to pass it through me yet. So we'll wait But it would have been perfect it would have been perfect for this episode Again, especially after finding this. Yeah, are we going to the next topic? Yeah, oh, this is a good one Oh Everything we're about to talk about is pure speculation and rumors until the park makes an official announcement So, how do you feel about sky flyers removal? Everything we're about to talk about is pure speculation until the park's ready to make an official announcement. This is a photo from This is morning. This is AI generated photo. This is from New Jersey. They're getting So a lot of concrete is gone So how do you guys feel about? Skyfire being removed. Honestly, I was So on so many occasions they tried to force me to ride that thing and I told them I would never ride it And it ended I ended up out living it. So it's great. I win jokes on you never gonna ride it Yeah, so Craig at what where is your speculation about this just being preventative maintenance? Well, you see here concrete has a service life from what I understand So when you salt concrete after what 36 consecutive winters, they need to replace it Oh, they're just replacing all the concrete and then they're gonna put everything back So Wonderland was walking into this area insulting it. They were yeah in case cuz extreme is a winter first Are you don the people who performs there? What are they called the cool? Yeah performs there Yeah, they walk on that one section. They exceeded the weight capacity of that concrete Yeah, they do Their singing was so good it cracked the concrete I Just noticed something the the ropes are gone as of today. I didn't notice that when I flew Cables the cables And that's just because the cables over the years with the salt that gets attached to them They they rust in the road and what about that giant excavator? You know what they were ripping up that concrete with that's not it. That's in there to do something else That's there to flatten the land so they can put the concrete back.  Nothing. I think extreme sky flyer is gonna stay Do you think that this is just preventative they're just storing it here for preventative maintenance And then they'll move it to their maintenance shop and then move it back. Yeah, that's about right I'm gonna rebuild it on top of the maintenance shop.  They have to take it there piece by piece So yeah, what do you know Jake? Jake? What do you think about this speculation? What do you think's gonna replace it based off of your opinion called my opinion is from Brendan's Of a wing coaster There's gonna be a turnaround of the coaster hopefully and a VIP area behind it so you can only get Shots of the wing coaster if you have a prestige pass, so it's like pay to win for the shot Oh, I like that so it'll only be me So if your prestige pass you can sit behind it with the snacks and every like minute you hear of the wing coaster goodbye I mean knowing Wonderland if this if this is not just preventative maintenance And they are getting rid of this ride, you know, they're gonna pick some one-of-a-kind first class first of its, you know ride That's gonna take up this plot. I'm very interested to see what it would be Oh, well now that I'm thinking about it again. They could put a SNS screw and swing there and put it over the front gate Yeah, there's a chance for that. But what else? The wing coaster or a flat ride or a VIP area. Those are my three. There's a small chance It could be the VIP area just want to just want to make that clear There is a small chance that this could be the VIP area So I do want to stress that this was due to be removed at the end of the 2024 season. So What had happened? Oh, this is speculation until the park makes an announcement This was speculated to be leaving at the end of the 2024 season and then I Moana or something was in the air and the water and I just heard this like whispering that Skyflyer was gonna get removed at the end of this season now. Yeah, it's great being friends with Disney characters Like I'm just talking about. I don't know. I do kind of sound like I'm crazy right now Um, I caught wind or water or whatever of birdies that this was gonna leave at the end of this season and then it happened or is potentially happening and If that is true, what I am speculating is that the Wing Coaster is gonna head over here That would be really cool. Yeah head over start continue through here. What do you think head over here? Lifts over here lift hill. What kind of launch? Can you imagine it's like a launch and a lift hill? Seems like a first in his class kind of thing you got to move your feet on the floor as how low what happened to my socks All right Extreme I never wrote it. Um, I wanted to get on it But the cool thing about extreme is it's not every single park I visit so I'm I'm good to go fun facts If I'm correct yell at me in the comment section if I'm not this is the first Skycoaster to be removed in the world Speculating that is being removed. This is just speculation until the park makes an official announcement You know what the park is really always late at making announcements lately like what is what I'm on I'm on a trend of Orbiter, okay, so I broke the news about orbiter, right? I broke the news about this did I break the news about anything else? No, easy bear. Well, you see no love that's different So it's like amusement insiders the new norm for like breaking news on like ride removals Unless it's like a big ride that a lot of people Okay, you were wrong Yeah, I think he looks surrounding the globe there should be pretty cool We're done with helix's we're done with airtime hills. We're done with oversized airtime hills Real airtime we got a nice fast one on the and we're done with one kilometer brake runs so hopefully Like he's out of words now It's true. I mean I am earning that reputation with ride removals so far so far. I got to start You know I'm building my he's gonna get washroom removals than restaurant removals He's gonna start getting everything So this is actually being sent to michigan's adventure You have to yeah swing into each other So do you guys think that if the wind coaster is heading over here that they would potentially do a front gate coaster See you think yes, we had so sorry we had this debate. You think yes. I think no I think with the amount of space there unless it's an emelman, which I still doubt With leviathan being there. There is absolutely no way shape or form. It can go over front gate. There's no space Um, krega, did you ever work up the courage to get on this ride? More ride Extreme skyfire. No, I've never been on it. Why are you scared of it? Because it's garbage I know the man that goes 200 kilometers an hour at speculation doesn't act An hour on the highway isn't afraid to do this 180 foot tall. How tall is this? I don't know Why are you scared of it? Because it's it's one wire man. This guy dances with death every day one Yeah, okay, but here's the thing I would like to go in my way not smacking my face on the fence On extreme sky flier, please and thank you. I don't even know if people would notice.  Yeah Um, yes, you have coal. Yes, you have Yeah, um, but you know so why don't you think it's gonna did I interrupt you or did you finish? Why you don't think it's gonna go over to the front gate? I did interrupt you. Oh, okay. Okay for once. I'm surprised. I wasn't interrupted by you Not enough space unless it's a specific element like an emelman There's no way it can go there and come back 9800 pound each cable holds 9000 here. Oh, thank goodness. I almost that was close to my weight right there So I was a little nervous Jake, what's your opinions on the front gate coaster or not? Okay? well with our next topic as the front gate you will soon see a photo in which the Structures that are being put up at the front gate are very close to leviathan supports So leviathan is already our front gate coaster But it could be something like flight like flight deck goes right up to its fence And people see that on that side of the parking lot and most of the people park on that side of the parking lot So they'll see it over there first And probably want to go to that ride before they go to leviathan. Hopefully spreading out the crowds in the morning That's that's what I think I think it's gonna if anything it's gonna come here Do it's turn around in this plot of land and then go back. Yeah And have a nice VIP area underneath so you can So I'll explain why you guys might actually be right I'm gonna I'm gonna be the devil's advocate to my argument So my original argument that I was making the other day was that this thing's gonna head on over and it's gonna Do a turnaround over kind of like Where that new haunt maze? Dark ride was it's gonna go over that. No, not over it. It would turn around just before the 10 Like it would go over the front gate. It would go over the front gate and turn around at the 10 That was my original But the reason why that is a really dumb prediction without a second launch is Wing coasters lose speed Immediately like really quickly. They're not aerodynamic even a little bit. Yeah Like cedar point had to add winter tires to theirs. I'm gonna get corrected on terminology in a second winter tires They added. Yeah those michelans. Yep.  Oh, what's the winter wheels? Nylon There you go.  That's not happening So wouldn't it be much wider than yukon? Um in terms of train. Yes, it would be wider than yukon watch wider The track is actually the same. Thanks to surya. By the way, surya has been educating me on track design Um a wing coaster track would be the same width or sorry the same Yeah, the same design essentially as leviathan Giga try can you tell the chat why that is the case brendan? Can you tell the chat why that's the case day? I can it's because yukon strikers trains are very heavy and it's all uh located in one one section of the train The train is very short But because a wing coaster train is just as long as a giga coaster train if not longer It's spread out over a much larger piece of track which allows it to be thinner like me Allowing it to be thinner. Yeah, you're spread out over a large piece of track to be thinner Um spread out that's for sure And it's like the spokesperson and kregis and jake are the lawyers You know down the road I might need a lawyer I'm just saying I might actually need a lawyer So if any of you watching our our lawyers, please hit me up. Is it others bright? geez so Have we covered everything about extreme sky flyer and the potential all the speculation about extreme sky flyer has been covered Yeah, everything in the last like 10 15 minutes about extreme was all rumors and speculation Take this with a grain of salt the salt trucks are spinning whatever um So just to say I am I am talking about a wing coaster a lot That is not me confirming. It's going to be a wing coaster by the way So the type of coaster um It could be a surf coaster for all we know I literally will pack up and move to dollywood if it's a surf coaster Don't even say that It could be a bnn family lodge coaster There's a possibility bnn family invert coaster so I want to stress something so I thank you. You know what you brought in a really good topic of discussion so Timing footings are being done inside the mountain Let's say let's say amusement insiders knew that footings were done inside the mountain. Okay You have a CCTV camera on the mountain. Yeah, let's say amusement insiders just somehow knew That footings were done in the mountain I had a guy go and there was no track at clear mount factory that looked like it would be for wonderland Have we thought about the possibility that this isn't going to be a bnn? I'm just saying by the way. I actually don't know could be zemperla I don't think zemperla just because we have to wait for dragster to see how well that Dragster as in top of it to how well that performs before we get more zemperlas and cedar fair in terms of coasters But we might see zemper flat flat rides. Hmm So I will I was assuming cedar fair is waiting for Dragster to see how it performs and then they'll buy more if necessary So we wouldn't see the earliest until 2028 2027 new zemperla I don't know. I think well, I'd like to pick the safe option. Well, whatever we have is already purchased. Yes, exactly So in my opinion, it wouldn't be zemperla It's not it's a safe option. I'm just I'm playing devil's advocate with you guys. Okay. I want I want to start some thinking Rocks in a blender coaster Bring back orbiter. I honestly orbiter with its original theming would be uh Um But yeah, it's it's really interesting because there are other possibilities. Um, I know that's the Renderings and the idea of a wing coaster represented in the survey What about a mock coaster Brendan? Do we use mock to see the fair use mocks? It is but that would be really expensive Yeah, mock is really expensive like copperhead strike with not the coaster and all the theming was more than fury now I'm gonna I'm gonna counter my devil. So I just played devil's advocate. Let's say amusement insiders was googling one night Stumbled upon something You all know what I'm talking about a portfolio Amusement insider, let's say amusement. This is all hearsay. Okay. Let's say amusement insiders stumbled upon a portfolio artist renderings of a wing coaster coming out of the mountain More detailed and other projects on the same portfolio For cedar fair Pretty sure that indicates that wonderland made up their mind about what kind of coaster they want coming out of the mountain Ages ago. Yeah, it was definitely already made up and this this specific artist posted it Um and was it posted the other projects that he had worked on And it was very proud of it So I think that pretty much to me. That's why it's been very wing Let's stop it. That's why I've been very wing coaster oriented in my wording So that I will say just I'm gonna play devil's advocate again What I just said that doesn't mean it's confirmed the artist could have just been really proud of their work and posted it But again, it is really weird to me because cedar fair has used this same artist for all their projects Yes, recently, right? Yeah, recently in the last three years. Um, this portfolio no longer exists Where'd it go? I'm pretty sure they got in trouble for boasting it. All right next topic Oh, hi Oh, oh, yeah, it's a video. That's me. That's how I get my information. That's me breaking into wonderland Someone caught me. Well, that's more actually my body type right there That's more like krega That's us installing your camera So this monitor here has live footage of uh, um, so here you have contractors unplugging electrical working on the yawning spa, blah, blah They were there today on skyjacks as well. I don't know what they're doing Um, but this is turning to make me question what I had just heard about front gate Um, so unless they're just installing new electrical Which I doubt because this specific work truck is a work truck that is working on the merch store as well So it's really interesting. Um To me, it kind of hints that they might actually start working on the front gate structure Um, but who knows every it things change every day when I do a construction update now It's crazy. Again, twice a day you go and it's different every time. Yeah So and that guy had blueprints too So, what company is this? Do you know or you have no idea? I literally I took a picture and I tried to zoom in on my laptop my laptop's 4k so I can see things really good Taking out light bulbs Yeah, I mean that there's a possibility but that would hint at them about to do work there too Um, but the computers are still there So no signs, uh, even the uh security posts, which they will not need this year So they are gonna go eventually like the metal detectors and all the tables and stuff are gonna go Yeah The metal detectors do plug into the roof. They're but this company isn't like disposable. They're not there This company works on the merch store. They could also maybe sell the metal detectors make some money the Wait, who are the contractors or wonderland? I don't know anybody whoever's in charge of getting rid of them could make some money off those You know, if you sit in kijiji or can you imagine any time soon like 50 metal detectors, you know, it's come from wonderland I'd buy one I have it outside my front door Anytime we go to kragas Do we have the photo of the the the the the The front gate and all the cool structures I think they look really cool. Oh the one that I had like engineers do No, no, no, no like the wood that's there right now the drone the picture of it. Oh, I'd have to go get it That's just the ice rink No, like the wood in leviathan's area for the what they've built now. There's nothing showing what's been built so far Oh, okay. Let me let me get that. That's what we mean. You mean. Yeah So as brennan is another picture in a couple of seconds We are going to see that Imagine just focus brennan. That's all I'm gonna say just focus the front gate has uh the track or leviathan structure is very close to Um the the the structure of the front gate and the metal that we would assume the metal detector metal detection systems They're adding that they had at the front gate this season, but they're just moving it back and re-jiggering the system Once brennan figures out how to scroll through his files on his computer We will see this pop up on the screen shortly. I may have deleted it to be honest Because maybe you get an older one December 30th Oh, yeah, that's way back the first Why did you delete them all? I guess you don't have it. No, I don't we will see how beautiful the wood looks I personally think it looks fun. I think they've seen it If you guys seen it, it's in the it's in one of the last construction updates It's it's there if you do go to look at it right now. Please keep this tab open So you can hear us Is it there? I think I see it. No That's good enough No What's the wood company called timber kits timber kits timber kits did the pizza pizza inside of splash works? This one's okay. Yeah Um, and they did the recent fence by shockwave They've done and oh, that's not updated. They're canadia fun. That looks a wave. That's old. Yeah That looks way more accurate area. I've seen last time though. No, wasn't it? No There's a much newer photo of it. Oh, you know where I can get it patreon I can actually get it from patreon because patreons get the most accurate information Do the workers ever notice they're being recorded? That is such a funny Um question because yes, they do and sometimes I get told off. Do you remember lacy bear lodge? I don't think you were hanging out with us yet. I don't you probably weren't hanging out with us a lot last year Last year I was filming or the year before I was filming lacy bear lodge And this lady who was like working on the interior of lacy bear lodge sees me filming and comes out and starts lecturing me For filming and I was like, I'm just filming the construction. I even gave her the channel name And I was like, I'm not recording you. I'm recording the the beautiful building and she just wouldn't stop She was lecturing me and I'm like, okay. I'm sorry And yeah, that's the story So every time he had to record after that he was hiding in the bushes Sticking his camera through the and the poor surveyors too in the park I have this footage of this guy literally looking at me as I'm filming him And giving me a dirty look and I'm on his side like if someone was filming me at work I'd be so uncomfortable. I'm gonna film you at work. No And you con I would get dirty looks too like a little phone going up over the fence Like can you imagine like it's it's really like It's cool Like it works for you guys as fans and me like being interested in the subject But as the other person on the other end like it really is awkward and uncomfortable I can't sit here and paints a pretty picture of how awkward it is to film someone doing their job I've been making people uncomfortable for us And it's exactly what in five years time. I'll be canceled for this channel. I guarantee it. I guarantee it Cancel culture. This will be illegal what I'm doing filming people. Oh, it will be very soon. Yes We're gonna talk about the possibility I don't know if you want to continue with that sentence what I don't know if I'm allowed to say One second one second So jake will longer be with us on the podcast Unfortunately jake's gone.  I thought actually about the two-step front gate I don't know what a two-step front gate. What do you mean two-step? So them renovating the inner part of uh Leviathan and then next year during the off season them doing the front gate jake come back I actually need to sit in that chair Oh, that's true. You're probably there starting though. I didn't even have to ask Don't worry guys. I'm not dying this stream just jake.  It's gonna look nice. It's gonna look pretty and then in 2025 It's gonna be like extra pretty and extra beautiful. It's gonna be stunning. This sounds like my tinder profile So or or for example, they do all the stuff underneath of Leviathan and then next off season They tear down the whole building the front building there and then redo all that for example That's not exactly what might happen or is going to happen But could hypothetically in a hypothetical situation leave the possibility that might actually happen But again all hypothetical thinking There's a lot of big words in there Can you repeat what he said? I wasn't even listening to what he said Okay, krega your turn. What do you think about jake's echoing a lot? That's fine Kiko, what do you think krega? You just put me on the spot like that and I've completely blanked out Do you not know what we're talking about look on the screen and it'll help you I put these little cues for you I know we're talking about front gate and the two-step. So do you think they're gonna do this all in one year? Or do you think this is going to be a two-year project? Wow, I feel like I'm talking to a toddler right now Honestly with what they're doing league of legends Where do they see league of legends? With what they're doing to uh With the work they're doing I hope it takes two years because again, they're not they're doing changes Don't get me wrong. But it doesn't seem like they're doing very significant changes to a lot of things Unfortunately Yeah, I feel like a lot more would have been removed from that like the computers would be gone at minimum So yeah, it seems like it's going to be relatively the same this year when we go back Yeah, I feel like this is a two-year project. I hope so I jake you're on one year I think it's going to be two years. Yes, um, but The like they're gonna do each section at one year at a time So we won't see any changes to the middle of the life and what they're doing right now And then like for we'll do what they do now. It'll be done. It'll be completely finished and then next season They will see what happens Yeah, the main part will be done and that will be completely finished Craig, do you need to quickly go take a little break? No, okay. You're good. I'm good Anybody have any questions comments concerns about the entirety of the podcast? Yes. So why are you sitting next to me? I'm not on the other side of the room And we can get the justice for jake going to get it You know, I'm kind of like so guys can I get your honest feedback? So we're going to wrap this up and we're going to start a hangout session where you guys can ask us questions Okay, so why don't we just talk about it there? Um, no, okay I want there's a lot more people here because when we go to the hangout streets could be like 50 All right. Um, what do you guys think about this current setup instead of having the two cameras and four people? What do you think about three people and one camera? I like two cameras and four people really why So chaotic One camera doesn't pull up the screen as I like being able to wink at jake from across the room and nobody can know Nobody notices only as to only only we know to wink at jake.  So how do how do people not notice when this is literally facing you?  No, I'm too busy Doing what? Nothing entertaining the five people watching All right, put a one in the chat for you if you like it how it is now two if you liked it the last two weeks One in the chat for how you like it right now or two in the chat for last week on camera My adhd right now is so lost. I'm like One one one. I like two different cameras So I don't need to see if jake and kreg if krega and jake kissing When did we get what me and krega have never cast that is so The word that should be used for the other stream. Yeah, so once again one is not even there this week And two is any of the previous weeks last two weeks Wait, which one's one one is this week how the setup is right now and then two would be the setup Uh last week in the week before we've gotten a three So I don't know All right This is confusing. It's very split. So we'll just go with the flow and every episode. It'll be a little bit different But is the mics a lot better this episode a lot more clear i'm telling you if we do With the way jake's mic set up right now if he had his boom arm and I had it right again Like this it'd be perfect. You won't ever have the mic. We set it up so that it's only Here's you when you're close and that's it. Yeah, but you will never keep it Was still echoey a bit. Yeah, so it's his mic that's causing the problem. Okay, let's just end the stream And jakes gonna have a bit next we're we're gonna test this Can we do it with this? I bet you it'll work Jake's gonna cry. Okay, we're gonna end the stream We'll be back in five minutes for a hangout stream. So if you want to just shoot the Poop with us Yeah, join the hangout stream And ask us questions. It's all asking questions. There's no game this week. Unfortunately If you because jake took up the jake is echoing echo jake took out the spot of our whiteboard. All right, bye