So hi, thanks a lot Daniel for introduction and thanks a lot for having me here, I'm really excited because it is actually the first chance for me to talk about everything that I love and it includes both the Bitcoin and cryptography and security and quantum physics. So I normally don't have a chance to mix this all together so yeah, we will have some fun here. First about myself, I am a quantum physicist by education so it looks like many physicists are out there and I used to work in quantum physics for more than 10 years basically like my whole life starting at university then PhD then one postdoc another postdoc here at Max Planck Institute of quantum objects and I was normally doing the research in the experimental quantum simulators and quantum computers and I kind of got into Bitcoin in 2013 and it took me a few years before I understood that okay I am I really want to drop my quantum career, academic career and actually switch to Bitcoin and I was very lucky to find a few guys that we founded a company and now we are doing this secure Bitcoin hardware platform such that developers would have a tool to build awesome stuff on top of the hardware. So yeah I have kind of expertise a little bit on both fields and the main thing I want to talk about is first what are the problems with our private keys how can we store them and what are the risks there and the second one is are there any threats from quantum computers to the Bitcoin as a whole because I think that the main value that Bitcoin brings to us and the main problems that it solves is that we now have a mathematically controlled emission of the money so this means that if we want to keep our value on the one run we can't really rely on central banks and on the fiat money because they are constantly diluted by printing the new money so the main issue here is that we have enforced by the consensus protocol limits of the bitcoins and so if we own 10 bitcoins now then probably in 20 years it will be worth the same or hopefully more so this is the main thing unfortunately as the whole ecosystem is currently still evolving and we don't have all the infrastructure around it we also have to deal with a few problems so to keep our value to keep our money we have basically we need to be sure of two things first that we really keep them that we don't lose them and this is about the security of our private keys and what can go around there and the second that as a Bitcoin as a whole is secure and this is why people get a little bit paranoid about quantum computing and that they will break the classical cryptography and so on so I will talk about both of these things and the first one about the private keys so you probably recognize this kind of thing this is the recovery phrase from normal Bitcoin wallets and basically it is just it is everything that you need to control your bitcoins so if you lose this or if you share it with someone then well basically your bitcoins can be stolen and this words are actually just a human readable representation of a number so just a big number well not that big number so like 32 or 64 bytes is enough to control your bitcoins so we really really really need to keep this number very safe and secure and not share it with anyone and here we have a problem and here I think that it is a great opportunity for the banks because well people normally used to have some guarantees either enforced by the walls or by the institutions such that even if we are completely hacked we don't lose much we can recover and in case of Bitcoin at the moment we can't really recover and so what's as soon as you start caring about your private key you fall fell into this rabbit hole where you become more and more and more paranoid and I'm extremely paranoid and I want to share this paranoia with you so first let's talk a bit if we store our bitcoins on our normal computer like in the software wallet what can go wrong well the problem here is that computers are made to be convenient fast and multi-tasking so this means that together with our Bitcoin wallet that stores our secret we have a bunch of other applications and other crap that is running all the time and that may be designed not with security in mind so it can have bugs and it also even applies to the cryptographic library so we had the hard bleeds an attack on open SSL we had meltdown and spectrum that can allows you to exit the virtual machines and monitor the other processor that you shouldn't really have access to then after the release of this NSA tools hackers start building awesome new research tools to do penetration testing and other things like that so but it becomes very cheap it becomes very easy to get into the normal computer and so as we want to protect our private keys we need to invent something to do that and then there are people started using this paranoid setups where you use either completely air get single board computer that you never connected the internet or security oriented operation system where you have a trade-off between the convenience and the security that tries to kind of keep your applications isolated or safe or stateless so different approaches then we started caring about open source so we definitely want to know what exactly we are running what this whole software is doing so we do need to at least trust the community to verify the code if we can't read the code ourselves then we want open hardware that we know on top of what hardware actually our software is running and then we started using the deterministic builds unfortunately I wasn't able to find a nice picture for deterministic builds so I used this one so we need to be sure that the binary that we download is the same is compiled from the same code that we audited and also we started creating the hardware wallets that are dedicated device that don't run random junk but only work as a Bitcoin wallet and only the only purpose of these devices is to keep our private keys safe so these are pretty nice approaches that allow you to make the private key a little bit safer but it's kind of not enough and as soon as the Bitcoin value rises and you have more and more funds into in your wallet there is intensive for the attacker to go to grab your hardware and to put their dirty hands into the hardware so and then we have a bunch of other nice and cheap sometimes tools how to actually already hack the hardware and the problem with the hardware is that if it is a normal one then it is probably built on there on top of legacy architectures that we invented like starting from 80s and earlier when we didn't really think about security and we had to maintain all this legacy between the generations of controllers and we are racing into performance not into the security so the hardware in principle is unless the it is a special specialized hardware is pretty vulnerable so there are different attacks on the hardware for example a glitching where you even if you have a perfectly fine software that is nicely designed and doesn't have any bugs if you put the device that it is running in some abnormal conditions for example you drop the supply voltage for a short period or you mess up with the clock or you do some electromagnetic wave in injection into the chip then cheap you misbehave do some weird things so you have some weird bugs and then the attacker can exploit this weird bugs to extract your private keys also as we have this private keys we need to store them and they are just like pretty small numbers so if we would be able to get to the semiconductor level to read the transistors and to see where exactly the secret is stored it is also a problem and then another one is the side channels when we use well it's physically underneath right so transistors are switching and power is consumed there is a power consumption so all this if you start to monitor everything around the chip you will find some way to get some hints about the private keys and often it is enough to extract the full private key so here we can go one level deeper in our paranoia and we can start using things like for example anti-temper mesh is unfortunately these are normal for banks but not normal for normal people so like we have all this hardware in the industrial status but it is not available for normal users so again there is an opportunity you have all this infrastructure you are caring about your secrets in your data centers and you can just provide this service to the Bitcoiners to can they securely store the private keys for them maybe in some kind of not very trusted setup where you use a multi-signature but still there are ways then we started using multi-signature setups when we don't trust a single device we start splitting the keys around multiple of them and so the attack surface reduces because you need to hack many of them and it also helps also secure elements unfortunately none of them supports Bitcoin curve out of the box but there are ways and finally like volts so if you guys think that you are not dealing with bitcoins at all you're wrong because probably if you're providing the deposit box service then in some of these deposit boxes there are hardware wallets or maybe sheets of paper with these mnemonics that are used as a backup for the Bitcoin wallets of Bitcoiners okay then there are other problems if even if the hardware is stable and secure there are different things like backdoors or let's say instruction says that are not very well documented I mean not documented at all and documented only for trusted parties or there are hardware implants so basically there are ways also to mess with hardware so here people started using like off-the-shelf devices that are like more general purpose and convert them into the hardware wallets they started using faraday cages to make sure that no information is leaking from the device and also people started using like this transparent casing for the devices that you can actually see that there are there is nothing else included so this is how it would look like from the marketing perspective this is how it looks like in reality but still yeah it helps so basically we have a bunch of problems how to secure our private keys and there is a well not every not everyone wants to be their own bank not everyone wants to put their put the faraday cage in the apartment or I don't know build a vault or do all this hardware stuff so yeah there is an opportunity and it is a real problem so right now the main problem is when private keys are lost or stolen or leaked so then let's say we can the can secure our private keys then the next problem is are we sure that all this our bitcoins will be at the same value in the future maybe something will go wrong and the Bitcoin network as a whole will be broken and one of the threats that people think will damage the Bitcoin is quantum attacks in particular because there are a few quantum algorithms that can break classical crypto cryptography that Bitcoin is relying on so yeah not really so this is like to one didn't read and now it a little bit in more details so how quantum computers really work we have normal bits in our classical computers that can be either 0 or 1 and these qubits are more like bits on steroids so they are like anything between 0 and 1 on this 3d sphere so basically there are somewhere there in an undetermined state and we define the state only when we measure it and then we can put them together and then go them together and do all the crazy stuff and in principle if we think about how quantum computer operates I have this imagine a more well version so imagine that we have bunch of bars and we want to find out which one is the highest one so what classical computer does it's basically kind of measures every bar individually then compares these numbers and then calculates which one is the highest one so during this computation it does a lot of unnecessary useless stuff it calculates the height of every of them but what we really need we just we don't need this information we only need the one that is saying okay the third one is the highest one so that is roughly what the quantum computer does you can encode all this problem into the qubits then you can apply certain gates in a certain way such that when you measure it you have an answer that is 3 and then you learn nothing else but it also saves some computational time so basically it is much more efficient in some cases basically there are two major algorithms that are mentioned when we talk about classical cryptography the first one is the Grover's algorithm that is you don't need to watch it this at the right side it's just for illustrative purposes so it allows you to solve any problem pretty efficiently in particular it is more for the hashing so like when we are mining or when we are hashing and we get what we need to recover from the hash to the original thing that we were hashing we basically need to brute force in the classical computer we need to try all possible options to get the answer that hashes to the right value so with the quantum algorithm you can do it a little bit better so you can put all possible options and then go them together put them together and then again do all these gates things to get at the ends the results the result that will be an answer to your question so it is not well it is efficient more efficient than the classical one but it is not super efficient so it's like not going from tera hashes per seconds to like in a few milliseconds I will get the answer so it's more like from tera hashes to giga hashes so it helps but it is like not a silver bullet then there is a second one that is a short algorithm that allows you to break the RSA and as well as discrete walk and elliptic curves problem so basically it can help to factorize the the product of two prime numbers pretty quickly so it will break the elliptic curve cryptography that we are using but we are working on the quantum safe algorithms even though they're very in the very very beginning so they don't work right now and they can be broken by the classical computers at the moment so that's pretty weird but in principle I would say that if we have enough time then we can change our signature scheme to something new and nice and prove now well provably secure against the quantum computers so where it looks a little bit scary like you can break elliptic curves you can kind of break the hashing so where are we now the thing is that to do this algorithms we need like of the order of tens of thousands qubits and millions of gates and at the moment in the industry we have like hundred qubits like two orders of magnitude and 100 times less and around 1000 gates and the problem is that all these qubits are super fragile so all this entanglement to make it work you need to really nicely isolate the whole system from the environment you need to build a complicated lab and basically there are breakthrough breakthroughs like that adds order of magnitude every let's say 10 years so in the worst case scenario we will get something reasonably efficient maybe in 20 30 years but I would say more like about 40 50 so we have some time and come on Bitcoin is just 10 years old so imagine what will happen to Bitcoin in another 10 years so the technological development is really amazing and a few pictures just to get you the understanding of how exactly the quantum computing lab looks like this is one of the tables in our lab every optical element here is used so this whole setup is used only to put the lasers into the right spots at right frequencies to stabilize them and think like that so there are no qubits here it's just optics just a preparation for the main experiment and there are like plenty students running around and tuning everything every day to just keep it working somehow so it is extremely complicated system and then you also need a pretty complicated to either vacuum setup or in my field or more except for conducting circuits and other ones but the whole thing is extremely complicated and yeah I I built the lab like that and it took like five years and only after five years you start actually measuring something so like basically if you have a nice idea from the beginning to where you can actually measure something like verify your idea you need to take five years so that is why we have this huge steps between the breakthroughs in quantum computing and basically what I want to say we do have some time before quantum computers will be able to compute something reasonable because right now saying about RSA let's say we have huge 2048 numbers that bit numbers and we need to factorize them what quantum computer can do right now you can take the quantum computer the number 15 and it will tell you that it is three times five it will have certain problems as soon as you go even to something like 100 one or something so we have time but we need to be very very careful because if you don't design cryptography nicely then it can have bugs and as I said it can be broken by even classical computers and I think that there were recently the kind of suggestion to propose quantum safe algorithms and like 99% of them were broken with classical computers and who knows what happens with the quantum computer so we really need to take our time and to design it well but if we do that then we are safe so I ran out of time almost perfectly in time yep I don't know I didn't I think that there are no questions so no questions


Good evening, everybody. I'm so pleased to see everybody who turned out tonight. We have a great group here. I'm Jean Noon. I'm president of Three Rivers Land Trust. And we're going to have a short program here to talk a little bit about what we do as a Land Trust and some of our projects. Our first speaker is Pat Smith, who's our botanist. And she is a former director and a former treasurer for the Land Trust. This Walnut Hill focus area, the state has a conservation action plan that identifies areas around the state that are of ecological significance. In Maine, Walnut Hill is one of those areas. The more or less circular area is the full Walnut Hill area. I'll read you a short description out of their write-up. This is due to the area having a forested expanse of rolling uplands interspersed with high density of streams, wetlands, vernal pools, and pocket swamps. Taken altogether, these various upland and wetland types create a wide diversity of plant and animal habitats. So that's why this area is considered of ecological significance. Within that area, this is the property that's called Walnut Hill 1. It's located on a road, which is Walnut Hill Road, which is actually a dirt road at the point of the property. It's about 88 acres in two parcels. And the former owner had planned to have a small subdivision on this property. But because of the large wetlands, which you can see near the bottom coming into the property, and across the road is another large wetland, putting a row of houses in between would break up these two major wetlands. So although he offered to sell the land trust the back lot, back portion of the lot, we convinced him that it would be better to sell us the entire lot. The land trust had never done this before in terms of purchasing. We've been focused on easements on farms and working for us up to that point. So it was a new experience. And we had to do a lot of research to find the grant funds to get this property. This is some of the plants that I found in the first few years of looking at this property. The final deed was signed in December of 2010. And a major portion of it was state funds for wetland preservation. And we received grants from the Open Space Institute and the Sage Foundation. These are some of the early springs. We started collecting data on the property even before the deed was signed. And besides my collecting data on the plants, Madge Davis has been collecting data on the birds that are out there. The last two years, the volunteers have been collecting data about a vernal pool on the property. This is not the only vernal pool that's out there, but it's a particularly significant one. These spring photos show when it's full and volunteers. This shows the data collected in the fall when the pool was empty. This pool is approximately 60 by 40 feet and almost five feet deep when it's full. So it's quite a large pool. This spring, we collected additional data and photos and submitted them to the Inland Fish and Wildlife to put this property, this particular pool, onto the state maps as a significant vernal pool. That affects the setbacks on the vernal pool. These are some of the things that were seen, the wood frog eggs. The middle one on the top is a fairy shrimp if you've never seen one. They're only about an inch long. And the very presence of that, which is only in a small portion of pools, makes this significant. Some of the other interesting species, these are some of the frogs that use the pool for breeding. You have the wood frog, the toad, the pickle frog and the spring peeper down in the bottom. And this is just a deer track that I photographed. It's important to preserve the woods next to the pool because these disperse in the summer into the woods. They don't stay at the pools. So you need not only the pool, but the surrounding woods for habitat. I also started photographing anything I saw that was interesting. So I've got here a few butterflies. And we were told there might be a red dragonfly in this area. So I've been trying to photograph dragonflies as well. And I haven't found the rare one yet. This is a summary of some of the history on the back lot. It doesn't appear now if you walk up there that it's been inhabited, but actually there is remains of foundation and matched it some research showing that this was occupied in the 1880s. And I listed some of the information she found in the tax records of the tax items that were taxed. So they raised peas or beans, Indian corn, potatoes. They had an orchid, they had animals, they had cows and other cattle. It's hard looking at it now to see that this was a farm, but there was a farm there. So it's kind of interesting to go in and see that. Also in the research, we found this one rare plant. This is a native orchid that's rare both federally and state. So it's really neat to find that and we're preserving the habitat that that lives in. And these I particularly like, these are called grape ferns. They're little small fern-like plants.  The one on the lower right there is barely an inch tall. So they often overlook this as small, but they indicate a fairly rich habitat. They grow in the same area with some of the rare plants. And a few more of my favorites. They just scattered around this. The one on the far right is also another native orchid relative. Not rare, but in the orchid group. We also have an area that has a beaver dam, which you can barely see down in the foreground that has created this pool near one of the trails. And there's a photograph of a porcupine. He was on a downed limb and he pretended we couldn't see him. We walked all around the tree and took pictures and he just froze right there. He figured if he didn't move, we couldn't see him. But we figured he was a young fellow. These are some of the ferns. Some of these were particularly emerging in the spring. That's a common bracken, a royal fern, probably a cinnamon. The one on the far right is called the stair step, which you could see the way the fronds come up. And the one on the lower right was growing out of a tree trunk, a hole in the tree trunk, which was kind of any, find myself, yeah. Oh, this was interesting. We invite, part of it is to have educational opportunities too, because this property being preserved, we invited the Mycological Association to come and have what they call a plurae, where they go out and collect and they bring it all back to the table. And it's a teaching opportunity, the teaching that beginners who have come, how to recognize different things. And you can see they got quite a good collection there of species, even though it was at a very dry time. So one of the opportunities is to have organized groups come out and use the property for educational purposes. So that's one of the advantages. And let's not forget the trees. Part of this is trees. The left one is an American basswood, which is like a slightly rich habitat. So you don't see that in all of our woods. In the middle is the Shagbark Hickory, which is limited to southern Maine. So it grows further south. It's not rare, but we don't see a lot of it. And then I have an emerging beach, the red maple, and below that the flowers. In the middle is an ash tree, which also likes a little bit richer habitat. And the birch, I just couldn't figure out why it grew the way it grew. It's just too interesting. And just a few more flowers. This is the last slide of flowers. That Solomon seal, the arching one there with the buds on it, was up in the foundation area where the old farms that was. And that's it. Lastly, thank you all for helping to preserve these very special places. Only with volunteers and donors is it possible to protect them now and into the future. So thank you. Our next speaker is Carl Davis. And he's speaking about another property that the Land Trust owns. Okay, this is the Hobbs Farm Project that the Land Trust had given to us in 2010. The shaded area is the property. I'll give you a little bit of history. Lester Hobbs and his son, John, found this probably from the 40s, 50s, 60s, doing row crops. Some of it went to the Boston Market and some they had a, well, their houses was here and they had a farm stand that I heard was known, you know, throughout the area. Lots of people used to go there. It's 30 acres of fields, about 130 acres of woods. It has 1,200 feet. There's a wetland down on the backside that's part of the main natural areas program for significant habitat and there's 1,200 feet down there. Through the years, how we ended up with it is that it sold several times and then a woman, Christine Arnold, took it back through foreclosure and approached the Land Trust. She wanted to donate this land to us and through that process, we eventually, we paid a little back taxes but we got this property. With the field land, we didn't have the capacity to deal with the field land at 30 acres of it so we leased it to this fellow as Nils Pearson, Maple Stone Farm up in Acton and he has a five year lease on the 30 acres. Probably 15 acres are right now are manageable to Hay. The other 15 need a lot of work. So anyway, Hay's 15 acres and he's working on, this is some of his hay from this year. He manages to get two crops off it. It's pretty fertile soil. It tends to be a little bit wet even though it's up on a high ridge but this is some of the work he's done. One of the fields you couldn't access very well. There was a really wet corridor down through it so he put in stone and got access to it. So he's doing lots of things to improve it and hopefully in five years we'll have 30 acres of productive field land. There was a well on the property that was under this building that was wide open when we bought it. It's probably seven or eight feet across was had no cover over it so the Maple Stone School in Acton built this little well house over it to protect that. When we bought it, you couldn't see that pond. It was just a mess of trees and a bit of root, multi-floor rows so the school cleared that all out and now you can actually see the farm pond. Does anybody know what we're looking at? What is it? Bittersweet, yes. This farm has a tremendous amount of multi-floor rows and bittersweet. That's our biggest challenge with this property is to get these plants under control. We tried a little bit last summer and it's gonna take quite an effort. It's not only in the fields when they did a cut probably 10 years ago it migrated into the woods. Probably I'd say at least a couple hundred feet and there's places I've been in there where there's a canopy of multi-flora that's probably 30 feet wide. Growing over the top of it is bittersweet probably up to 20, 25 feet so it's amazing what these invasions will do in our region. This one I'm gonna show a little bit. One of the things we're gonna do with this property is also some recreation. There will be a trail that we have started to lay out. I can point it out a little bit.  Right in here there's this old cemetery that has I think two revolutionary war veterans and one of them was Mr. Farnham who Farnham Hill was named for in Acton. So there's some work to do there to clean that up but the trail will go down. This section of the forest was never really cut hard so it'll go through that down to the wetland and look back up around. The students at Maplestone Farm are gonna work with us on that project. Getting from here to here is probably gonna take most of the work because this is the area that's full of the invasive species. This is the wetland. We've done a little bit of walking down there mainly we haven't done any research as Pat has done on the Walnut Hill project but eventually we'll get to that with this project. It's a significant wetland as I said and the May Natural Areas program will work with us on that once we get into getting some biologists in there and seeing what is actually in there. Pat can probably tell us what this flower is. Where's Pat? What is it? No? Okay. Well I had to throw one flower in Pat. So I don't know what it is but anyway it's on the property. This is one of the walks that we took down to the edge of the wetland in the summertime. That's Glenn Wiles looking things over. And this is a walk we took down there in the winter time which was really kind of nice because you could walk out on the wetland which was get a little better picture of what's down there and also you can see the tracks and who might be walking around. One of our walks, we measured this big wolf pine that was down in the woods. The property was cut 10 years ago. Most of it was cut pretty hard. They cut the good oak and the good pine. As far as the management plan, we've had one done on it. Everett Toll did a management plan. Mostly there'll be improvement cuts in time on this property. It'll be quite a few years before there's a lot of marketable timber on it. But there is, interestingly enough, when it was cut, it was done with mechanical harvesters and the grapple skitters. So the Twitch trails were probably 100 feet wide. Well when you walk in there now, the Twitch trails are just pines this high just thick all the way down through them. So it does have regeneration coming in and we'll keep having to thin that as time goes on. All right, I'm just gonna finish up a little. I was fortunate enough to go to one of our premier conservation lands in Maine, Baxter State Park, which was a vision of Percival-Vaxter, which is just amazing. I'm sure a lot of you have been there. I was there last week doing a little hiking. And anyway, I wanted to show a few quick slides of some of the, we ran into, so I had to see this is snow and ice up on the plateau. So winter is happening up there, but it was also some nice fall colors. That's a shot looking back towards the peak is back in the air. This we're walking down, this was kind of a funny story. I was with my brother and my brother, my son and his girlfriend. And she's been in Maine three years, never seen a moose. So she's razzin' and razzin' us. Well she was in the lead hiking and 25 feet in front of her, she hears some snorting going on. So she kind of stops and she didn't know what was going on. And then all of a sudden, right in front of this bull moose walks out. So it was perfect. Go ahead, what is it? Was I scared? She was pretty shook up. She was like this, you know, so. I was in the back, so I didn't have to be scared. She was in the front. Yeah. And that's a shot looking back towards the peak and the colors, so. And a little snow on the peaks. And just some of the foliage that was there. And it was nice that we were there four days. The day we were there in the morning, we had a little sun and the day we came out with a little sun and all the rest of the time it rained. So, anyway, back to the hugs. Thank you. And finally, John Bozak is gonna talk a little bit about his property. John is also one of our directors now and we're glad to have him on the board too. Thank you, Jean. I'm gonna tell you a little bit about our farm and how we decided to develop a conservation easement with the Three Rivers Land Trust. The farm's name is the Berry Best Farm. It's in Center Lebanon, just off Center Road. And we raise peaches, blueberries, and hay, this is the hayland. Blueberries here, blueberries way over there, peaches, peaches over here. And I think it all starts with developing a land ethic or a conservation ethic over time. And my wife, Christine, and I probably went about this in two different ways. Christine grew up on this farm, which was great. She helped her folks in their farm activities. At one time, this barn had about 6,000 laying hens, so she was involved in the poultry business. You can probably see the remnants of the track here. Her parents, for many years, were in the racing business, raising standard bred trotters and paces and raced throughout New England. And so Christine was involved in training and caring for the horses. So there used to be 16 or 17 horses at one time on the farm. When she went off to college, she initially started out as a poultry major, poultry science major. That didn't last a long time. Poultry business has sort of faded away. Eventually she became an animal science major and wound up with a master's degree in dairy cattle nutrition. So she has that background. And I think that, plus living on the farm, developed her conservation and land ethic. I'm from Suburbia. I grew up about 30 miles east of New York City and surrounded by other elements of Suburbia. However, I did join the Boy Scouts. I was a Boy Scout. I did a lot of camping. I did a lot of fishing. I did trapping. And so I did acquire a smidgen of feeling for land. When I went to college, I majored in forestry and worked summers in college in the Panhandle of Idaho a couple of years. And I worked on the White Mountain National Forest and I was hooked as a forester. And foresters and farmers have a lot in common, as you probably know. We're both involved in relatively long-term kinds of projects. We have to have a long-term outlook on dealing with mother nature. We're also subject to the whims of mother nature. So things happen like ice storms and hail and droughts and so on. So I think we learn to roll with mother nature's punches over time. So when we met in college, we melded our two land ethics together, you might say. And over time, after living in Oregon for a while, we moved back to the New England. And 15 years ago, we moved to the farm. And it was great for her because it was coming back home again. And we had always discussed between ourselves how we could ensure that our children who were interested in working with the land again, and our grandchildren, how could they continue to work with the pressures of development that are going on all around us? We had a blueberry customer by the name of Marjorie Blood. And Marjorie was the owner just down the roadways of Red Wing Farm. And she and her family had recently put their land into a conservation easement. And she recommended that we see Madge Baker. And so we did. This was back around 2008. And Madge Baker and Jean Noon came to visit us at the farm. And we've known Jean through the York County Farmers Network of which she's a member. And we've known each other for a bit. We quickly decided that this is the way we were gonna go. We were going to protect our land by transferring our development rights to the Three Rivers Land Trust. And we quickly went through the process. Several generations of agreements were written and revised. And in December of 2009, we settled the trust and it was recorded in Alfred. And we're extremely happy with the results of that process. We have two generations coming behind us that are interested in managing the land. I should also have mentioned earlier that the Colburn family, which is my wife's family, had an 80 acre general farm in West Lebanon Village starting back in the 1920s. So the Colburn family had been in town for a bit as farmers. So please come and visit us and see what a protected piece of land looks like. Thank you. Thank you, John. Next, Lee has a little advertisement here. Thanks, Jean. My name is Lee Burnett. I'm with a project that Three Rivers is involved in called Forest Works. And we're trying to protect large blocks of woods in York County. We have an event next month in Limington. One of the things land trusts are getting more interested in is actively managing their woods. Another word for logging. If you do it carefully, there are a lot of benefits. You can improve wildlife habitat. If you wanna see birds and animals on your property, if you do it carefully with the forester, you can improve the habitat for animals. You can also earn a little income. You can also maintain the protections around vernal pools, around wetlands. So anyway, this is something that a lot of land trusts are getting more interested in. The demonstration we're gonna be doing next month is in Limington. It's on property owned by Francis Small Heritage Trust, the neighboring land trust. And they're gonna demonstrate two different kinds of low impact logging operations. Some people were probably familiar with horse logging as an example of low impact logging. But that's not the only logging systems. There's now mechanized operations that have a very light footprint on the ground.  So it's basically open to the public, open. I mean, if you own land and you're kind of curious about is it worth getting into doing some forestry, come, have a look, the operators will demonstrate and then they'll step down and be available for questions. So it's a real opportunity just if you're curious to come ask questions and see for yourself. So anyway, these are flyers that are available. And hopefully you'll be able to follow the direction. Oh, I'm sorry, October 26th. It's a Saturday. It's basically from nine in the morning to one in the afternoon. Come for as long as you want. It's just gonna be parking on the side of the road. We'll have to be careful about that. Anyway, so come if you can. Well, I guess that's about it.


The following is a presentation of TFNN Trade what you see With Larry Pezzavento All now toll free at 1-877-927-6648 or internationally at<PHONE_NUMBER> Now Larry Pezzavento Okay, looking good Billy Ray feeling good Lewis. Well, we are having pretty good rallying stocks today We're approaching up to the 61% retracement in the S&P at 4675 That should be a tiny bit of resistance, but whether it is or not, you know, we have to Assess that when we get there. Of course, it's a Friday And that's always it's been a down week. So anything could happen. That's for that's for absolute certainty That can always be true of everything. Paula Douglas will be our guest here today at 9 30 next week We have a really full week. We have Jeff huge. We're going to have Tim boss We're also going to have Adrienne toga ray and with a little bit of luck and I'm talking just a little bit We'll have Joe DiNapoli on as our guest also next week Now I did post the chart of the DAX index as you can see here It's made some type of a three-drive pattern up there near the high. It's just doing nothing really today backing and filling Not too much going on Anyway, the one thing I wanted to talk to you about today is Sarah was doing some Going through the files and we found some things that I thought would be interesting. I actually wrote a little letter for Tf&N going back about 18 years ago when I first met Tom and I think I met him at 04 Yeah, it was 04 and I wrote a thing called patterns profits and peace of mind For Tf&N and basically what I talked about was, you know, how to set up a trade and also not to watch the monetary all the things that That you try not to do but I'm going to be covering that during the full day session that we have here Coming up on Wednesday. I also wrote some articles for stocks and commodities magazines I used to write regularly for them many years ago and a couple of those articles were very very popular One of them was called you have to know when to hold them and know when to fold them and what I did was I related the the aspects of playing poker with the aspects of You know trading and some of these guys, you know, your derade allio happens to be one I can't remember the other guy's name. There's two or three of them really famous really famous traders That that are also a poker players they play in the you know, the big tournaments and and you know poker is a game of numbers You know it really is and for example folks You know when you have when you start playing Texas holding you get two cards in your hand the two best cards You can get are two aces but if there's four other people in the pot and there's nine or ten players at the table and if there's four other people in The pot your aces which usually win about 70% of the time you're you're a 51% That's really all it is I mean so if you're in a if you're in a game and you get called by three or four other people the value of those aces Really diminishes now after you see what the other three cards are that's a totally different thing That's why when you're trading it's the same thing you put on a trading side whether you want to do or not Like if you'll those of you that we listen to the 24 7 we've we think we're at a major top here in the gold market today yesterday or today and we were selling gold today at 13 excuse me 1869 Took a higher high than yesterday by 10 cents didn't go anywhere and Now you know the risk on that basically is we're back to break even on that But that that's all that's related to is how much money you have at risk And that's the same thing is when you're when you're playing when you're playing poker If you're in a tournament and you lose all your chips you have no chance of winning So the the last thing you want to do is risk anything to risk all your chips That's the worst thing you can possibly do the same thing it is in trading too So what you want to do is set up something where you cannot lose You know where you just have a situation where you where you come as close to break even as you possibly can and that's one Of those particular things now if you remember yesterday We talked about some of the trade that we were looking at yesterday in the crude oil I wanted to let's bring this to your attention to show you because this is the type of thing We're going to be doing on Wednesday There was a three-drive pattern in the crude oil right at this absolute privilege That's just that's just a tube editor four-minute chart that works on anyone But when I'm when I'm ready for day trading and stuff like that I'm looking for opportunities like that You know every single day and you can find them if you're looking at eight or ten things like I'm looking at and Those are the things that you know you can focus on on What do you think is going to be the you know the best setups for the day now? Today happened to be one where the crude oil was should have been bottoming down there at the 79 83 Why because it was a three-drive to a bottom pattern and it was also sitting right at the 78 percent retracement of that previous move So that's a real key thing to To really you know pay close attention to is when you're in the time frame that you're trading You should stick in that time frame. Don't go looking at anything else Because if you do that you're really not going to do very much Let me just give you an example here since we're talking about that right now We'll just look at that that crude oil trade that we were looking at here this morning When it was trading down just a little bit below 80 I think we got the 79 85 that was the three-drive pattern right there and of course it's got up to 81 60 You know I think already today. So that's that's a huge move You know you stop and think if it's an eight thousand dollar contract and you've made You know seven percent of that or eight percent of that in a matter of a few hours that that fits all the parameters for day training You know you too many people what they do is they put a trade on at a day trade and next thing you're doing They're looking at a weekly and monthly chart to see how much money you're going to make be making and boy that that's the wrong thing to do So try to stick on the time frame that you're that you're working on another paper that I wrote for stocks and commodities magazine was a paper about The steps for successful S&E mini S&P trading. This is when the e-mini first began trading. Oh my god 20 some years ago and Market Mark Douglas actually helped me do the article and basically they were about 16 or 17 things that you really need to do if you're trading S&P You know for a living, you know certain things are I'm going to be covering those On the 10th also one of them is you know prior to the number six happens to be prior to the overnight trading at least 30 minutes You want to see if there's been any unusual activity in other words sharp jabs and prices Especially anywhere near the opening because with the and this was before the advent algorithmic trading But especially now if algorithmic trading you've got to find out where these numbers are You know that number that we made you know on Wednesday that number at 46 25 You know folks that was a perfect ABCD 1.618 expansion. That was the target We actually covered that on the Tuesday and Wednesday Programs unfortunately, we couldn't show the charts But now you know you can go back and check them yourself and see that you know, that's how they that's how they line up So it's just a matter of you know finding your the the groove or the the thing that you really like to trade The other thing let's chat just a little bit about that euro trade You know that euro trade was set up just as pot and perfect as you could possibly get down there at 1 114 60 where we bought now we got stopped out we lost a very small amount I think a hundred and forty dollars now I think the market's back to that same level again, but that's not important What's important is the fact that these markets have violated some really serious things on the downside We have targets now in the euro down around 113. 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Are you there? Yes, and I'm feeling lucky. I get to talk to you today. Happy Friday. Oh Boy, it's like winning the lottery. Holy cow. Are you from Kansas City, Missouri or Kansas? Kansas. Oh, okay. Oh, I always made that mistake. Of course being from southern Indiana I always picked the lower extremities of the on the geographic scale. What can I do for you my friend? Okay, I have a clarifying question regarding gold and oil So okay, I just heard Briefly you said that you're you're selling gold You're looking at a shorter term time frame like day trading making that statement, right? If you look at a Daily or weekly chart, you're not short gold. Are you? No on the daily I would be because I posted a chart in there because this area here We're right right at the 78% level right there at 1869 And that's where we sold it last night. We were Telling the folks we should make a slightly higher high than we did yesterday Which we did by ten cents today and then of course we backed off about four or five dollars But now what we've done is because of the markets moved in our favor and and we're very very risk-averse By selling it at 1869 and was trading at 1863 right now What you do is you put your stop at break even in 1869 that way you're in a risk-free You're in a risk-free environment in other words nothing bad can happen to you like if you put a stop up at 1880 I mean you could be looking at $1100 loss there and that's not any fun Especially when you're up a few hundred dollars. Do you follow my yeah? Yeah, but I don't do day trading That's that's not my temperament or style. I was I was asking more from the bigger picture So basically what you're saying is is gold is completing an ABC It's going to have a retracement before continues running higher Absolutely now stop and think now we've been up for ten days, okay? We're setting the seven the 78% retracement came in at 1869 the high was 1870 10 Okay, from there. We broke all the way down to 1845 then we came back today Rallied back and touched that same high again. So this is telling us at this level is what we think is very very significant So at that point at that particular point That's these lowest risk as you're possibly going to get trading gold because if you know it gets above 1872 you've done something wrong. So you've got a contract that's worth a hundred and ninety thousand dollars roughly And you're only going to risk three hundred dollars on it I mean there's no game in town that you can play with that type of a risk parameter So that that's how I focus on that now I happen to be related to it with day trading today because we happen to enter something that worked in our favor But by the same token now if it goes back to where we sold it at 1869 Something is wrong And so we will be out of that trade and wait to see what the next setup is got it On oil on looking at a bigger time frame like a daily or a weekly. Yeah, I like the way it's behaving Because it's just it's just kind of going sideways and you know pulling back a little bit But not well some sharp retracement looking at it on a not an hourly, but the daily a minimum And we're looking at it weekly looks pretty bullish to me Well, you know if you were long during that time when it made its high is 85 and then today it made it slow at 79 That's a five thousand dollar drawdown I don't know about you, but five thousand dollars I can go out to eat once or twice a year with five thousand dollars So I I don't like to set with that much of a risk But no it's had a very good correction and it's right down at the 78 percent level folks Just look at your chart. You'll see that 79 and change is the is the 78 percent level coming off of that last low In the last high, so that's why it's so important here in the crude oil today And we made a beautiful three drive to a bottom on crude oil at that 79 83 if you're looking at a half hour chart So what I'm doing is taking a daily chart Robert and then moving it into a 30 minute chart to see where my entry will be No, I understood I'm not and I'm not advocating holding it from you know Late October didn't to now and drawing down I'm just saying I like the fact that it's drawn down Slowly over the course of a couple of weeks three weeks and when that's for me That's a good sign that the next leg higher was most likely that you know, there's no Guarantees is going to be pretty strong This is you know Robert you said you said the three magic words, okay? There is no guarantee actually four words There is no guarantee And in anything that we do because life is a mystery and we have to Regarded is that especially in trading? That's why you know people people they rag on me sometimes because I said Yeah, I'm not really sure it's a wine. How am I paying you? I said well nobody can be sure You know, there's no hundred percent things out there. All you can do is put the odds in your favor And that's what we try to do Well, what I'm saying is not much different than what you're saying You talk about 382 and I'm saying over the course of a couple of weeks If if you look at oil from its run from August 19th to October 25th, it hasn't it's not pulling back much and to me when it's less than a 382 retracement That is super bullish. So Things on different time frames This is correct. I've been you're saying it in English. I'm saying it in Indiana ease You know, which is a little harder to understand down there in southern Indiana But you know, I've been extremely bullish gold for two weeks and to now my bullishness has been Fulfilled and so I'm standing aside and nibbling at the short side. That's really what I'm doing But longer term you're still bullish Give me a $60 pullback in gold. I'm gonna be a Willing buyer I guess but if how it gets there and the pattern it's there that that's what I'll be watching So I hope that answers your question. I know it's a little ambiguous, but Ambiguity was my middle name. I don't know if you knew that I was confirmed in the Catholic faith with st. Ambiguity And she was a very famous saint back in France during the 14th century. So I did not many people know of her but And I'm all making this up as we go along because the medication is finally kicking in All right. Well, happy Friday. Thanks for a listen a Robert. Please call in again my friend I always enjoy talking to you and I will remember it's Kansas City, Kansas from now on, okay? It's it doesn't matter. It's Kansas City the city. It's fine They connect each other don't they? Yeah, aren't they a road called state line that cuts it right in the middle and that's right. There you go Okay, thank you. Thanks for calling in. I really appreciate it folks That's since we were since we were talking to Robert here and he was in Kansas City Take a look at your charts folks on Kansas City week We made a move above eight dollars eight dollars a bushel and we're trading around 812 813 right now That's a very significant for inflationary things because when you see wheat, which is a key component in bread You get ready folks because if bread is going to go up that means gasoline's going up and oil is going up Things are getting more expensive with the exception of treasury bonds and there you are getting Cheaper and cheaper as we go through got a break to pay pay here and then we'll have Paula Douglas Marks Mark's widow will be our guest at the break. 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We talked about it many times when we were looking at the Valid trendline concept on that long-term daily that took us down to 472 now What I've posted into the room is a 15-minute chart back from November when we were November the 10th We were looking at a potential bottom in this as you can see here the bottom came in at around 472 But you'll notice the perfect head and shoulders pattern that is there. It's just absolutely perfect now on next week's show on Monday, I'm going to have a Form I'm going to show you the formula that comes out of Andrew Lowe's book The and what's going to be really interesting about this is the fact that we're going to be paying very very close attention to that for several different reasons Because what we've tried to do is to break down some of these formulas I mean this thing is God it looks like you're sending a rocket ship to Mars or something But we try to keep it as simple as possible just by using you know the ABCD pattern Now if you'll pay attention to this natural gas, you'll notice there on November the 10th You'll see that we are setting there with a beautiful That's the end of the ABCD pattern on the daily and then as you move down to the 15 minute You'll notice that you have a beautiful head and shoulders pattern. It's absolutely perfect now Let's say you missed it on the 10th. Well, you'll notice and we did this yesterday, too yesterday's Lowe was right at a 382 retracement and right there at that 491 level from 491 it rallied up 30 $2,700 up to the perfect ABCD price of 5 17 60, you know what the high of that day was folks 5 17 60 a b equal CD That's what we like here at trading tutor Anyway, I wanted to bring those things to your attention because what we're doing is is we're going to look at a larger Time frame and then move it down to a smaller time frame folks. I am not a day trader I'm not in there trading five six seven times a day I might do that on a day like Tomorrow on the like the 17th where we'll have some people in there I'll be I'll be searching for the patterns because the patterns are the same whether they're looking at two minute Hourly four-hour weekly daily. I mean the patterns are going to be there All we're trying to do is to find the patterns that will line up that give you the best possibility You know for you know for a profit. That's the main thing now if you remember yesterday And I don't know what's happening to Tesla today, but if you I've just updated it So we can take a quick look at it We were looking for the high in Tesla to be right at that perfect ABCD at the 382 Tesla had a high I believe of 1107 From there it dropped all the way down. It dropped over $50. I believe I don't know what the low was today But the 61% on that was around 1045 would be my guess I don't know what the low on Tesla would have been but if I were taking a magical guess if someone tell me What the low on Tesla was today? I would certainly appreciate that because 1045 would have been the number I would have looking at for a potential low in Tesla today, so I'm waiting. It's a 1027. Okay. Well, I I was thinking around 1040 1045 so it went a couple bucks below that and I imagine it's a little bit higher than that now But who knows anyway, that's well, it must be because of 1027 was the low Okay. All right. Thank you very much. Well, appreciate that putting it in so many That's what we're doing is what we're doing is we're trying to get to the To the spot where we can see how much we have to risk on any particular trade and that that's what these patterns are Really all about. I do want you to remember here to take a look at this because this was a textbook case folks And I know I was having technical difficulties And I think yesterday was the first time that I finally got this stuff done correctly Now there's that ABCD pattern with the valid trend line You notice that we took out the lows of October and from there We rallied, you know, well over $4,000 a contract and today you had a you know $3,000 move the low today in the natural gas was a 61% retracement of the low that we made back on October on November the 10th So that's how these numbers, you know fit together and that's what we're really looking for As we as we look at these now several people have asked me about the chart that was posted here From our friend up in Canada Mike and all I all I want to do is I I've tried to contact Well, I did contact this guy. Let's get this up here and take a look at it. This is the guy that did the Fibonacci stuff Going back to uh, 18 19 21 all the way through today And it shows these different 150 month cycles that are there and these are all very very important But frankly folks were not 150 months. Are you kidding me? How many that's that's their 12 years Oh 150 that's 12 times 12. Yeah, it's 100. That's 12 years So I'm not it's a nice 12 year cycle in here And if you stop and think if we bought if we bought them in o9 you add 12 to it that gets you to 21 But even if you remember the Elliott wave people sent out one saying that 20 21 should be a year of a high just based on Fibonacci numbers and he's looking at the same thing here Look at 1932. That's 89 years 1966 55 years 34 years 21 years and five years He's looking at the same thing That uh, the Elliott people were looking at he's just uh, it's a little bit more It's clear by looking at that because on theirs. It was a little more Uh difficult because he got he got it down to the day He thought it was going to be on November the 8th so far that's been the high But that's uh, that's neither here nor there So let's remind ourselves of that Um, I did I post a chart of the three drive to a bottom pattern in the crude oil today? I don't remember whether I did that or not I wanted to do that if I hadn't so I wanted to be sure To be able to do that evidently. There's a technical problem Over there in palm springs with pt. Otherwise she would be calling in Yes, I did post that because that that's what i'm doing. So I go from the daily, you know Then I go down to the uh half hour chart And then when I usually when I when I enter the trade It's right around the time of the 15 minute chart and if it's really wild and crazy I'll go down to a five minute uh chart now in the in the Those of you that uh get the 24 seven videos that we send out every day Unfortunately, I I'm I'm not able to pull up that year old one again But I am able to bring the one up on the dollar index and let me get this up here because This is this is the key this week folks. I mean, it really is a key And let's just get it here right now There's that three eight two pattern that we're looking at. I know the chart's kind of small But that number comes in at uh 94 95 now we've been we've been a lot higher We've been as high as 93 30. I believe in that dollar index when that when that thing went above 95 That's why the risk on that euro trade was so I mean you give me that trade a hundred times I'm going to win on that thing 70 times. So in fact, it had a had a hundred and seventy dollar profit in it at one time But if you'll give me that trade with those setups I can I can tell you that I'm going to win better than 70 percent of the time That's what that floor trader's handbook was all about That we looked at all of these trades in the euro thousands of them And then what we did is we related to the time and we also looked at the relationship Of the standard deviation and what I'm going to show you next week is how the people at Andrew Lowe's Group how they look at formulas as opposed to what abcd does you're going to see a Really big big surprise when you see that next week. 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That's tfnn.com then hit watch tiger tv Okay, we're back folks and believe it or not. We've got a second lottery winner today from philadelphia. Jeff. Are you there? Uh, i'm here. Hi larry. Thanks for taking the call. I didn't want to Get in front of your guest, but it looks like maybe she's not able to call in She has an emergency right now She's working with a trader that's made a mistake and she's trying to calm him down and So it's not it's not life or death is a couple of bucks. No big deal. Go ahead my friend. What's your question? Um, well, actually, I wanted to see if you'd be interested in looking at something I sent you a chart. There's a non-fibonacci related indicator that uh reinforces your um Your your view that gold is about to go down and I was just curious if if you wanted to see this Uh, sure. Can you post it into the room so the folks can see it? I You know, I am I'm not a member in the room, but I emailed it to you about like five minutes ago. Maybe uh Well, you know what? Let me double check and see if I can do that. Uh All right, let me check and see here. We go. You know what? I might be able to do that I think we can't hold on just a second and we'll get this up here Uh, let let hope this comes through. Let's uh everybody in the den if they can see that please let me know And uh, maybe jeff will explain to us what he's looking at with this indicator. We're always like to learn something new So fire away my friend Okay, thanks. This is one of the first things I learned when I started learning technical analysis There's a oscillator.  There's positive and there's negative and what happens is when the peaks and the Uh, stochastics, which is in the bottom panel, you'll see there's like a white slant downward slanted, uh, line segment there at showing that the lower uh, swing high Adams and the last Swing high is a little bit lower than the previous swing high. So it's kind of downslanted but that corresponds to Uh, the highs and the candles In the opposite direction. You can see there's a very steep upward slope Uh, little white line segment So this is a divergence between price showing a sharp upward trend and the stochastics showing a downward trend and usually, uh, the stochastics Uh, proceeds the the price. In other words, if you see stochastics going down, uh Soon price will follow and go down. That doesn't work all the time, of course But but the steeper the um The line In or the trend and the price At on the candles, uh, the steeper that is usually the bigger drop you get when you get this divergence So, um, this kind of reinforces your, you know, Fibonacci analysis That gold is topping around here and uh, okay, so I just thought I'd contribute that Jeff I can't tell you how important it was that you call me today to tell me this because if it doesn't work Guess what Jeff?  I really enjoy your calls and stuff. So it's it's it's really, uh Really quite a lot of fun. Okay. Now. Let's move over to Natural gas again folks because we've had a really interesting situation here That we can possibly profit from let's just get this up here. So you folks can take a quick look at it Hold on one second here. Oh dear. This is not good I can't get this thing to work the way I want it There we go close enough. All right folks I want you to take a look here at this, uh natural gas We just hit something while we were on the air here that is very very important And if you look here, this is your a chart of the natural gas It's a four-hour chart we're covering the last month. You'll notice the big a bcd That's the one we were talking me down there at 472 From 472 we went up to the 382 retracement of the high we made on november 5th I know you might find this hard to believe but that was the exact number. I mean To the tick I'm going to put it in there again just to you know, really reiterate Well, that's one of Steve Shapiro's favorite words those big iterations and reiterate stuff But anyway, let's take a look at this. This was a perfect yesterday's high On the 11th was exactly a 382 at 5 17 60 We showed you the a bcd on that earlier and now what we've done is we've come down to the 61% retracement today At 485 we're now trading at 490 We must hold above these levels. Otherwise, you know, we're still going to go down But right now it's got a pretty good chance now the crude oil has been going nuts ever since we made the bottom down there at 79 80 it's up almost $2,000 A contract on that so that's going to be an important one now We hit the number if you remember we were talking about 46 75 In the s&p just a little bit about an hour. So well not an hour ago have 40 minutes ago And we hit 46 and a quarter. Well, that didn't work because we were looking at 46 and hit 46 and a quarter Oh, well, sometimes these Fibonacci numbers work and sometimes they don't who knows It's just a a rolling indicator with a possibility of winning and also the possibility of losing Okay, now let's go back and talk just a little bit About what Jeff was talking about with oscillators He he mentioned that, you know, I had a favorite oscillator and he was doing that with tongue-in-cheek folks The only reason I don't use oscillators. There are two reasons one is they're lagging Okay, but the second reason is I really I don't really need it because all I You know, I'm I'm an abcd guy and when I have that that's what I have is my You know the Probability of winning. I mean, I know that I know that I'm going to win six out of ten times Now sometimes I might lose six seven times in a row, but I'm also going to have streaks where you know I might be right eight nine ten times in a row my longest streak. I think was 19 And from then I went from 19 There was a big joke about that But I went from 19 days in a row to 11 days in a row that that quick so out of those 30s days I was still 60 percent But I had 11 days in a row after my 19 days of winter part of that I was being sloppy because I'd made a lot of money and that's it I think we have another question coming in on the line here and we'll see where we are Uh-huh Oh, is it here's something from someone in new york is asking a question Uh New york on the just now Recap the gold sure be happy to that I think it's important to recap the gold because this is a major pattern in the gold folks I mean, it really is if you like a bcd if you like all this stuff that we look at this this is a monster Uh, well, I think it's a monster, but you know, what do I know monster from faunster? I don't know any things hold on. Let me see if I can find that there it is Hold on just a second. We'll get it right up here So everybody can take a look at I'm going to be covering in a newsletter for sure because of course if it closes sharply above it Then, you know, if it gets above 72 today 1872 I have to reconsider this but this number is so perfect that you've got to pay Very close attention to it. So I'll put this in here for george And george if you want the chart you can email me larry pessevento gmail.com And I'll give it to you, but uh, this is uh, this is it. This is mother god country folks There's a possibility. There's a another target there at 1874. That's a little bit above the 78% level But we've been here now for three days But we could easily make 1874. That's not that's that's certainly a possibility because the abcd is there But the fact the ratios come before the patterns. This is what, uh, you know, i einstein said it's mathematics before geometry and Al's a pretty smart dude. 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I love that word Steve Shapiro's got a huge vocabulary Tried to pull me into that group, but my little harder to do than most I was a scientist not a Poet or anything like that. Anyway, what we want to do is tell the folks that the most important things to look at this weekend, of course Is the fact that the dollar index has a high probability of getting up to a little above 96 That's going to take the euro down to this 113 level. That's down 150 points from where we are right now We said in the video last night if you got any type of a rally today Look to get short and of course we got right to that level And so what I would be doing now is to watch what's uh, watch this level of 113 It'll be in the newsletter also the the price of gold very very important here between this level where we are right now and 18 75 there's a lot of players coming into the gold market the first time in a long time And that's why I'm uh, you know watching that so very closely. I want to be a buyer on gold But right now we've nibbled at the short side here, but again, that's a very very short term I uh, hope that helps We will a lot of that we're right at the Fibonacci number again here in the s and p here folks at 46 76 Of course friday, it's going to be this is going to be it's been in a down week, but this is going to make it Probably close to break even i'm not sure but stop and think how crazy these markets not crazy But you know you took out last yesterday's low with the naztac by about 10 points and it's only rallied 2000 You know two grand it's rallied 200 four grand It's rallied four grand in a matter of a little over an hour and 15 minutes So these markets you've got to put a stop in on these folks because when you're wrong And when you're wrong, you're going to get hammered pretty good Perfect example is in the gold market if you sold it at 69 and it's trading at what 66 right now You got your stop at break even, you know, there's no harm in that And also, uh, you know, we've got to be looking for something In the in the currencies because we're heading down to 113 in the euro. That's 150 points You know down so live every day in an attitude of gratitude and may god bless


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