repeat viewing of the film was greatly bolstered by knowing weasel will be okay. He's just he's taken a nap Can I just point out that the little chuck the literal child murdering weasel is more likeable than the entirety of the justice league You don't know the context of those Maybe those kids were little shits. Who cares? Yeah It's almost just the nature of it being dragged onto the mission and drowned. It just seems unfair like You know, you know what I really hope is that the 27 children that weasel Killed an eight The children on the bus that clark pulled out of the Yeah He aids the bus of children to keep his identity secret.  I thought that was superman for a second I thought he was just gonna give like a really pained thumbs up Oh, like yeah star was defeated.  Yeah, that would be great.  He was originally planning to kill her off But he just couldn't do it because he really loved her journey and felt like she was the heart of the film So polka dot man took her place on the uh sacrificial altar If it if it will it would honestly, um as much as I was uncomfortable with pokémon man's death I would have been very uncomfortable killing rat catcher too.    So That would have been nice Um out of out of curiosity and fun If you could all from left to right Just just the name of the character who your favorite is in the movie if you managed to figure it out If you didn't I guess named more than one because it might be a draw or whatever I'm just curious what the results are if uh, Evan you want to go face Just my favorite character. Yeah Uh peacemaker I wasn't gonna prompt just go left to right. You can do it. Um, I think bloodsport bloodsport That's a type of team peacemaker on bloodsport rat catcher too I think We're sebashin. That's the name of the rat, right? That's the name of the rat. Yeah, I do like sebashin quite a bit Um, it's either bloodsport or milton No, it's it's bloodsport. Um, yeah Well, if I I'll discount my bias for anthropomorphized things so staro and weasel would win otherwise So it's definitely bloodsport for me Yeah, all right. Well, yeah, I was just curious because um, I think it makes sense to people go with bloodsport But I honestly think that the trio that was hard to pick between for me was peacemaker bloodsport and rat catcher too Although all three of them were actually that's my trio And then Factoring in king shark is still great. Like he wasn't in the top three, but he's still great rick flag is still great. Um Well, so maybe Yeah, let's if if you want to do a quick sort of conversation about each of these sorts of characters Because I think that some people might be a little bit lost on exactly what's so valuable about the ones that have less Sort of screen time slash development Why do people like king shark? Why what what's the can we only do as good as well? He's funny or he's relatable. Is that the best we can do? What can we do? Well, they're Well, I I think the there's part of the relatability in there and that it doesn't matter who you are or what you are There's an aspect of I don't have any friends That's that is very very relatable. There is an approachable aspect to that and You feel because of his Stupidity because he has a stupid character um That he can be taken advantage of in a way that isn't that that doesn't feel right and you want things to work out for him You want him to be happy Um, there's a part of you that the part of me that feels at least that he's just kind of He's kind of swept up on all of this and he doesn't really understand it in a way and he doesn't have much to latch on to and So you want things to turn out all right for him and there's also The aspect of he clearly displays emotions and there's He's you know, he is a he is a character and he does learn and You know from the things he's told and people to reach out to him and he responds positively to that And you want things to work out for him? You want him to be okay in the end? I think animals generally and children benefit from an aspect of us believing as Fully developed adults that we're like those things they are less developed Or at least less capable, but they're also a lot more honest in that sense There's things they want and need and if they provided it they will be Happy and that process is very satisfying to watch and knowing that in a sense of his id He just wants friends Is some of the most like it's just so Like like like more so than like food and water and oxygen and stuff It's incredibly endearing that this creature just wants someone to talk to and be friends with Especially because like he is a Like appearance-wise Like in universe, right? He's kind of off-putting like why would you want to befriend? A great white shark man hybrid that has developed a taste for human flesh basically um And if he can't join the others in the little like Night of partying at the bar because he he's too conspicuous um There's a lot of like reasons why he's socially ostracized that makes sense. Yeah, but he's still humanized Uh really really well Even as a shark man And you look back on the most damning scene he's in of nearly eating someone It's supposed to be friends with but it's it's literally just because he doesn't Believe he not only that he doesn't have friends But he has the capacity to have friends question mark I think he's come to terms with the fact I think this informs the book reading That um, he's come to terms with the fact that nobody wants to be his friend and that sucks But maybe if I read a book and i'm smart, maybe then people will want to be my friend And I think that's what's going on there. Honestly. Why else would you be doing that?  They feel great Also That's something that I see very prominently in Nanay, Nanay Nanay Come on, you're even calling calling me. Nanay is his name. Yeah, everyone calls him Nanay Jinx shark is his name. Nanay is actually his name Nanay is his meaningful name. That's his title. No, you got him backwards. Nanay is the meaningful day That's like saying king of england. It's your name not george Isn't isn't it the case that like the the when you're like dukes and dutch just like that's a part of your title Oh, like that is part of your official name Oh king in our way. His name is Nanay Yeah, everyone calls him Nanay in the story. So I'm going with Nanay. Yeah, I'm pretty sure some of them call him king shark No, they yeah, but everyone majority of the time then 80 percent. Okay, also when When um, when rat catcher two is you know reaching out to him to be his friend. That's what she calls him. She calls him his name Yeah, and I think he he responds more to being given his actual name rather than king shark Uh, I'd imagine king shark has this like element of ridiculousness to it Um I was gonna say I wouldn't go that far because they've all got names like that. I keep calling him blood sport, right? I don't call him robert. I for somehow robert seems more ridiculous than blood I mean comparatively Comparatively to being called the nahway. I don't know Um seems like his seems I'd call him by his name. Yeah, I think that's a decent thing to call a character by their Uh, so and I didn't mention as we're going through but when uh, when she's falling asleep And they're falling behind when they're trying to get into the jungle and stuff Um, they say like you got you guys got a speed up about polka dot man and rat catcher two, uh Uh, king shark immediately they go for you.  No, no way.  He's got that Kid with a hand stuck in the cookie jar Caught look is yeah, I end in the friend jar Also making the model of out of a plastic of peace maker Yeah to him that moment like that was some good stuff again Like that's that's kind of reinforced over and over and is trying to like impress other people Like it's those little things that like He's trying to make friends with basically and doing gestures. Like that's that's something that's relatable And yeah, and I believe that by the end of the film he believes that he finally has friends now And that's yeah, he's gained on this adventure. Which is why by the way I would totally be fine with anyone picking him as their favorite. It would make sense to me Yeah, but I have considerations as many of them are That's the thing. It's it's actually kind of tough to pick a favorite.  That's great I'm definitely there Because I've seen people pick rick flag just for just for that fight at the end Yeah A part of me was considering just uh jokingly picking harley at first just uh That's a mess with every one Didn't even really convert expectations jokes are funny Yeah What what I have in my notes for kingshark is um kingshark's loneliness and desire to be accepted often shown through quick Yet effective shots of him needing to hunt to be hidden away Give greater insight into his character than words ever could he may not be the brightest But he clearly has the same underlying desire to be accepted that we all do And it's heartbreaking that his outward appearance is such a hindrance for him Absolutely, he's fully fledged. He's not some kind of side character. You've got plenty of references to work with Strong through line.  I don't know. What do you guys want to talk about in the relation to this movie? um I guess I mean Are we gonna cover videos talking about how maybe this isn't good at all or that the original was better Most of the stuff I've seen has been positive for this film Generally Yeah, I don't think there's many people saying the original was better than this one. They're well Snidoids one person I saw totally say it The snider people I see the snider people claim this movie failed because snider people have boycotted it, which is hilarious That's pretty funny You imagine they thought that they had that kind of power Is it as if there's not something very clearly happening right now that might explain it And I feel bad for that by the way, uh, I feel bad the this film will be considered a failure compared to the fucking 2016 one um, I mean Snider noids wish that they could you know be as Effect the world as much as a different disease Um, you know, that's that's a conversation we should have like There might be some people still confused in the audience like what the fuck is happening e-fap about literal ones to care about the plot And they've defined the plot of spaghetti. They've gone over all of it. Why don't you hate it? um The way that I feel like we've tried to go over this a bit before The way that I see a storyline, you know when you like unwind a really strong rope and it's made up of loads of threads Like that's how I see a storyline is constructed of many threads. The plot is one Individual characters will be one The wheel buildings like consistent sort of it's like the wheel buildings a character throughout and then this applies to like The thematic through lines as well and all of these lines if you have like one guy in one room for the whole film You're probably dealing with like one line. Um movie like this we've got several characters Um that I think are incredibly strong and consistent and then you've got a plot line that's in complete tatters What does that mean when you wind that up into the rope? It's like well the rope is nowhere near as strong as it would have been at full capacity but we still got stuff in there that Means that it's it's it's still strong enough to hold itself together for lack of a better way of trying to analogize that And if you wanted more of a numbers way of doing it If the plot was uh, let's call it a two May I think people around would everyone agree is a two or maybe three? I don't know two three I do It's in the two ish three ish range. No, I feel like a lot of the issues. It's fixable. This is a fixable plot Definitely. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't have a lot of intrinsic sort of issues to it The sake of the argument if we called it a two and then we said thematically We haven't really talked about that but for the sake of the argument. It's called thematically a five wheel building I don't know World building is Where is the league? It's fine except for that right? Is that the main issue? Yeah, it's just a justice league But if they didn't exist in this universe, I think it'd be fun I don't think yeah, I don't yeah I'm fine with the justice league not being here Because this is a remote island and it takes a it's a very limited time that these events occur And I don't think any of them are just Around in the vicinity. So I'm fine with the justice. In fact, I would probably say it would be weird if they showed up I'm not sure I agree with that No The problem I have So it's really hard to judge the likelihoods here because if if Superman's just chilling out in his house And then someone wrote like like Lois calls him.  Maybe it could be from what it's Superman I will say Superman is the outlier to what I've said I can believe that if Superman learned about this he could be here in 20 minutes This I mean, it's a close call You know if we were told Superman was literally five minutes away because he was told Like five to ten minutes ago because that's how fast the word spread. It wasn't super quick Then you know It's like I could believe it Um, but that's certainly look for the sake of what I'm trying to finish off my argument Let's just call that a wheel building floor and if it gets lowered to like a six in wheel building And it's a solid like eight nine for character. It would average out That's somewhere near to me at least 4.55 someone like that And that's pretty much how I feel about the movie. That's what I would give it. I will call this a five Well, that's actually my five. That's actually worthwhile doing. What is everyone's scores? So I'll go with five two after our conversation Fringian rags did two. What's ever? What's the remaining four? With five I was like some of between four and five. I think when we first watched it But I think yeah, I think I'll decide on the five too. I'm I'm pretty pretty good Full stop. There was no sentence anymore. All right Uh, I think I'd probably go with the soft four. Um, a lot of the characters were a lot better in retrospect I don't think I gave blood sport enough credit when I first watched it like talking about some of the stuff Like there's a lot more material going on than I remembered it's just that plot because My trouble is that a lot of the character moments are affected by the plot like you've got that scene Where blood sport shoots um peacemaker as which is one of my favorite moments in the film But the mechanism that brings them there and then obviously how peacemaker gets out Those are part of the plot and that's an example of plot Affecting those kinds of character moments. So it It's something that's kind of troublesome for me, but there there's a lot more redeeming elements going on here like I My thing with the four slash five is I feel it's maybe a little too generous But there's there's a lot that that should that this movie has going for it that should give it credit So I'm like probably between like a four or five for me Two left Who goes first? Uh, you can go first All right When we finished the the movie for efap movies, I said it was a four Um, and that was recognizing the merits with the characters That I spotted on first viewing going through this and breaking this down um And hearing everyone's analysis Uh, it has me convinced that the character stuff is strong enough to lift it up to a five No higher than a five because the plot is garbage and it does Unfortunately compromise a lot of the stuff that I like about this However, I do like that stuff quite a bit and I think that there is a An amazing amount of talent that went into at least Writing in those arcs, even if they are heavily heavily affected by the plot um And I I think that having it at a five It puts at least like one further point above The rest of the dceu that we've watched because the highest has been like what a three. I think so, yeah so, yeah, um And this is not just barely better than justice league or birds of prey. It's uh significantly better and um But I I cannot stress enough that the plot is non-functional and that's unfortunate um And I I'd go as far as to say this is like a guilty pleasure of mine and there's There's definitely, you know, even the character stuff isn't like immaculate because of orally if you want to If we get memes out and then I want to do the exact same thing again, but on the good old feels train I want to see where everyone rates it how much they get out of it personally, but meme go ahead Yeah, um, well, I'd say, you know, it took me a while to just kind of like separate the emotion from like the critical analysis Because obviously I was on an emotional high when I first saw this but having now sat down and uh, really Examine things. Um gone through all the plot issues. Um, and how everything kind of feeds into everything else I think at the beginning of this I was sitting between a five and a six and while my heart wants to say a six I will say definitely Um, uh, I'm going to go with a five. Um, just because I feel like that's probably the most intellectually honest answer I can give Um, so yeah, that's um, that's where I'm sitting at the moment Um, you're gonna have to say we're moving on to the feels before we do the person who's super chatted about how We're wrong said five out of ten at best. So I expect an apology from you Pretty what what do we say when we I thought we all said these numbers when we started did we mostly And and of course the recording of the efab movies will vindicate us if there's any doubt that was basically the sentiment We were we were yeah reacting very strongly to the bad shit that was very visible in this film.  Well, um, if you know You guys can elaborate as much as you want as soon as the seven have had they say right You mean number out of 10 for for feels What is it ranked for you when you're watching this on your own? Personal meter and as much as you can ignore anything that you recognize as issues you just want to go You know what?  Evan go Probably a seven, uh, did you want me to elaborate or nope? Okay I don't even have to say names. I was hoping this would just go boom boom boom boom. So let's let's try we can do it. I'm sure seven awesome You can do it bring here next In terms of the feels I'm like at a at an eight. I think mine's like this movie eight Seven point five no eight eight. Oh, wow Like the the the thing that's dragging down the enjoyment for me is just the stuff with harley Absolutely. That's that's exactly what I was considering in my head I was like I can't honestly go higher than an eight because I actually get frustrated when I see her scene start I'm like for fuck's sake here we go And I can I can enjoy tizmy action that doesn't hold up Like I can still in like there's aspects to it where like well, it's it's Shot clearly I can tell what's going on for better or for worse um, it's edited well the choreography has the Surface level like it looks cool Like I like on a surface level sort of thing. I can see why it might Impress someone that doesn't care about like the actual The stakes of the scenes um I think an interesting comparison would be like, you know Watching rick flag run to cover and getting missing all the bullets around him that stuff on rewatches I can sort of get through however If peacemaker were to be shooting and missing it would frustrate the hell on me I'd be like no no, he shouldn't be missing that shouldn't be happening And it's funny in some ways that can be the the difference in terms of plot armor Well, it's funny like uh, yeah, you've got like actually so yeah We were we were wrong to say that there wasn't a single like Fight scene that didn't work. Uh, it's peacemaker versus rick flag.  You need the both to be behaving as they should for that all to work the way that it does Um, and in this, you know, I don't know if you can call it a fight, but bloodsport versus peacemaker Goes the way that I think it probably should have with who those two are Um, yeah, you know it is um, it's it's interesting so much plot armor in this movie And yet I was terrified they would kill my favorite characters at all moments I was I was worried people I liked would die and I hope things would turn out well for people And I was really kind of invested and I was nervous in a way Um It was kind of nice watching a superhero movie where I feel that way um Yeah, anything else Well, I appreciate I appreciate this film Uh, it's like a great Well, not great. It stands on its own very well It doesn't rely on seeing any of the other bceu movies Like I could see myself owning this on blu-ray and just enjoying it as a standalone story Um, I'm gonna jump ahead with this one See what I just came in said I don't see how the plot doesn't function It's just plot armor allowing characters to live that's egregious fixing it with better choreography wouldn't change how the plot is written Which works, okay So when someone is shot at and should die, but doesn't we've now entered a different universe Where like they did survive somehow and we do that with every fucking bullet fired And so now your plot is in tatters already. That's how that works Um, the plot line if you will is what's that what that's running on and we have about a hundred thousand instances of that in this film Um, the idea of well, they still would have gone to the island They still would have tried to blow up yotunheim. So the plot still works like yeah, every film works under that logic I don't understand what we're talking about at that point The the intricacies and the details of how the plots work Like that's all we talk about Yeah What like what happens what happens that the character doesn't have plot armor and dies as they should If that kind of drastically changes the outcome of the story, doesn't that might say the plot would be very Maybe the confusion is because they said functional in terms of like what makes a story functional How would you say that a story Like functions, maybe that's where the confusion was coming from and how you would I would classify something as functional or non functional I would argue this is dysfunctional as a plot line though Yeah, because it's not typically something You're gonna hear elaborate it on often when it comes to stories when someone actually says It is non functional and here's the criteria for a functioning story Now set it too much now to where it doesn't feel like a real word Um, I feel like south was already nailed it the whole like it's it's non functional the second they should be dead and they aren't And then we get like a million instances of that So you just you times non functional The nth degree and it's like so this is way worse than even that we usually have in movies Um under that logic the plot of almost every single action movie ever is in tatas Um, welcome to efab Uh, first off most things are bad first off, um Not so you say almost every single action movie.   You've got a couple of snips and you're like It's it's it's broken, but like, you know, it's there's still big long chunks that still exist and we can still praise that Well, it um I know that it's a meme that I bring up star mansion all the time even though I don't but In the bank fight when uh, there's like three security guards that close the distance on on doc ock Yeah, that's dumb. That's also the only three instances of closing the distance in that entire film Um, it's not the only thing wrong with the bank fight And so it's worth pointing out as like part of a pile up of the issues in that scene However, uh compared to most movies spiderman 2 holds up pretty well if you just Count the instances of closing the distance And uh two clarifications one from someone saying including when bullets aren't fired when they probably should be It's like yeah, that's included as well And um guys I never said I disagree with that assessment. I've literally been here for years. That's totally fine I'm just I all I did was read what you say and like Flatly it sounds like you're saying it's an absurd standard because all action movies fail when I would say the great ones don't Yeah, yeah Again people do miss real life having every single time when someone could have died But didn't be a flaws a little bit much there can be explanations for that We don't count literally every single missed bullet and be reasonable misses. Yeah, so um, yeah, there's loads of instances of this throughout all kinds of movies Where someone if someone it'll depend literally on what gun they're using who they are And what the distance like we'll take everything into a factor if you've got like we said If one guy was shooting at bloodsport with a rifle And he was sort of kind of hip firing or just sort of firing without necessarily aiming and he fires Let's say 15 bullets and if the film says he wasn't hit once I'd be like, um Um Yeah, maybe maybe It's it's possible. It's just some randy from this Probably not really well trained in military in the middle of this What we want is like a 50 plus that's when we're golden in terms of like is it more likely he wouldn't have been shot And you're like like so say someone's just got a pistol and they shoot once from that distance You'd be like, yeah, I doubt they're gonna hit him. It'd be real tough Strange if they did hit we'd come pretty perfect. Yeah, exactly. It goes both ways. You're right Um, so if we were like all like instances of plot armor in this, um, and then it's just like left up to whether uh, the Decisions that are being made make sense um, not like Character decisions, but like the plot in general outside of the plot armor What would we be rating this film? Interesting question Like the plot wise I mean Sorry, what was your question? Yeah, let's play that again. Yeah So, okay How how would we rate the plot if we removed all instances of plot armor and then all that's left are basically just Your standard contrivances and holes So we're still we've still got the the transceivery comms stuff happening We've still got there's a couple of decisions from certain factions and characters That are a little dumb considering what they could have done that relates specifically to killing people But none of them necessarily include our main characters for the most part um That ai inside of the insurgent camp would that be plot armor? Would that just be plot? So I guess that has to be that they're all It's all it's critical of every one of those people individually.   We just like to know that on its own should have killed you Even if someone theoretically like survives it in some astronaut like like for every thousand people that have it done one survives Meaning it's okay if they survive it. It's just like that's incredibly lucky And then you just have like you can have a couple of instances where it's like well I guess that's reasonable for a person to survive again. Yeah, the majority of plot armor is um probability It's not holes like like as in the only hole we found I think through all of this, right was um staro killing Uh peacemaker that should have happened.   It's inherently a subjective metric.   So can we talk about someone else? Like No Not asking whether or not this stuff bothers you specifically. It exists. It is describable This is something A human being has ears when someone screams as they die two meters away from them. They will notice Well, a dude once took four bullets to the head and lived then make a movie about that dude Tell that story. All right, and then we'll be okay.  All right, Evan knows this this one Jeff Daniels seemingly gets struck by a bullet on little round top because he's the guy leaving the 20th main And you think that he's been he's been killed or badly injured And then he lifts up his sabers scabbard and it's bent because it actually Took the impact of the bullet and saved him and that actually happened to that person in real life You can go yeah, that's lucky, but they're depicting something that actually happened in this event Can be described does not mean it isn't subjective But good try if that was my only criteria that would be a boon, but it wasn't so by Um But yeah, that's that's that's the suicide squad. I was gonna say I don't know if there's anything else you guys wanted to talk about I really fucking like it and I never thought I'd say that about dce you film I think yeah, I'm really really glad that this happened and that we watched it Really, uh, really glad I saw it. I mean I see it in the theater at some point Yeah Dare I dare I go further than a lot of you I think this is like one of my favorite movies in a while for new stuff Yeah, I'm here really enjoyed it And I'm not I mean adds to being said a few times if this was as bad as it gets that's I'm okay with Oh, what a world You we would be Yeah, and it's so interesting too because I feel like this is a movie where we'd be like most people are gonna be annoyed at us for our take on this Aren't they because we're gonna be debbie downers about the plot.  It's like just just not very good It can't hold up from the rest of the floors and stuff and she's like, yeah, okay I didn't see it coming. I thought people would have liked this. I think I say on the recording Um at the end of it. It's just like I was surprised by like it's a lot better than I thought it would be considering a Lot of the hate I'd seen for it Um and it was kind of what I think we said it was gonna be before it came out We were like it's probably gonna have good characters. Don't know about the plot though We'll we'll have to we'll have to see about that because This this applies to James Gun um Why am I struggling Taika Waititi and Well and Joss Whedon to be fair and the Russo's um So all their best work a lot of the time have really shitty plots or plots that are just not as well thought out compared to the characters I um I finally remembered what it was I was gonna say before I lost my train of thought My my brain is just lagging today. Um when I say this like a five out of ten Now five out of ten usually connotates like it's just average. It's it's like it's fine, you know Um, but like I said, it's a mixed bag if there's terrible stuff in this but there's also really great stuff in this and I would recommend watching it and sitting through the terrible stuff in this because What is great is worth experiencing Um, well, that's I would I would recommend it on the off chance. It works for you if this one works for you You'll have a lot of fun I really would recommend it as well. There is legit good stuff here, and I think you should appreciate it I had one person who couldn't get through the first 10 minutes even with their girlfriend And I don't really understand that person, but you know vis-à-vis-à-vis Well, maybe the first 10 minutes I can understand Why? What do you mean because of the goal? I guess because I lost weasel. Well Yeah, that's one thing some people like are legit turned off by gore and they don't want to you know, and I can understand that Yeah, and maybe there's an aspect of people when a safe movie people don't want to move you where they're worrying about People dying horribly all the time, you know, I I could see why some people would really not enjoy that and they just want to Really have a nice easy viewing experience I think that's fair. Uh, it was the opposite for me The intro had me engaged because I was like nobody's safe. Woohoo. I can actually feel the experience of caring for people that It's weird looking back on the 2016 one. It's like who died in that it's like slipknot And Diablo and yeah, that was it Yeah I am I think that I would have liked it a little bit more have the deaths been a little bit more spread out throughout the movie um But I can't say that what we Had with the beat. Well, so the beach scene is has a lot of issues But what they were going for with uh killing off most of the suicide squad in the very beginning That works just fine as well It's one of those things where you have less characters to work with that you can develop tighter Whereas if you brought characters along to basically kill them later on it might make it so that developments wasted So I kind of sure why they did that, but it could have gone both ways basically You know what I will say though is if only Katana where is we're in this movie then rick flag probably would have made it because she had his back after all she did I think so Someone said nobody is safe and then everyone has plot armor until gun decides they don't so you've just described how nobody is safe Yeah, when the plot armor It's I mean, it's it's like the opposite end of it, but still functionally the same It's it's I I agree with the chaser that it's kind of horseshoe on it It's a bizarre fucking concept, but it's true You have so much plot armor in this and yet I care that these characters could die at any moment It is it is bizarre, but that's how it works because there's so much plot armor and so much killing You don't know We were like never worried about the characters In black widow No, no, however However, king shark man Is my mind as I said earlier James gun could have killed him and I would have I could believe that someone james gun would do I I I'm sad I think I would have been sobbing I would have had to mute of like I can't do this And you have milton man milton didn't have any plot armor did he No, nope Best character most consistent by far. I just liked his arc Yeah, I don't need to describe it. You guys all got it delivered food Uh, and I was getting so emotional when I saw them walking towards staro knowing that they were probably going to die because That's what heroes do and it was good seeing heroes in this universe for once Yeah, well, you know people have said like it's better than dcu and it's better than uh marvel phase four I'm like that doesn't disservice this film. I think say it's better than all that. I was like, well, yes It's like that doesn't really describe the quality you've got here. I would say No, it doesn't it's um one very Limited facet of it compared to the whole I want to I want to actually emphasize something here milton Literally died so that harley quinn could have some funny lines. Like that is such a noble sacrifice Yeah, I cannot understate that. Is that a noble sacrifice? I I would say it's a very selfless sacrifice to I don't know if you had a choice Well, we like to believe that I'm sure if you definitely knew I'm sure you definitely knew his opinion That is my head cannon. He knew he knew that like all right I'm going to I'm going to die and then harley quinn is going to actually say something funny this time She'll say a few things that are funny even and then she'll be inspired by my sacrifice And she'll put her own life at risk to help king shark when the the cryraxes are are trying to eat him And yeah, by the way for people who have noticed We haven't really had a strong Sort of concrete five to refer to for the scale, but I feel like this is going to be that movie now In future when people are like yours say things are terrible or amazing. We'll be like, oh, yeah We said the suicide squad is slap bang in the middle. So how about that?  What did we give underwater? I can't remember I guess it was like a island six. Yeah Yeah, I I think that one was pretty it was definitely hired an average which uh was hired a five. I think we gave it a six Yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah, that's another movie you guys should see is underwater Yeah, I still need to see the underwater part of that. Yeah, it's good Yeah, there's lots of fun in that movie good stuff. Um Yeah, um, I guess I shall begin reading super chats But uh reading as per usual I shall offer this as an as an exit point for anybody if you've got Lives to get on with because it is we are six hours and 40 minutes in but at the same time you're also welcome to stay I'll I'll chill for a bit still I'll stay hanging I'll I'll hang and do some work at the same time Uh-oh, um So I actually saw this happen on one of I think nude rod extremes Where it like glitches up and stops you from This was like the one time I didn't have it running automatically. So now I'm like, oh no It basically like it doesn't let you load them up the past super chats Oh You could go into the vod and read them and kind of just scroll through Um That you can go backwards in the stream So you could do that it should be okay if I do that actually I should be able to stream I was about to say I can stream it on low resolution.   Like I said, I can put on two times speed. We'll be fine on that regard. I just I don't know if it's gonna affect my the stream at all to watch the stream back. I should be it should be okay. Um, yeah I will do my best to simply like Right, I'm gonna start using the arrow key. Come on. It's gotta be there's the first one. It's just high rags Oh, hi. We did it everybody. We found the first one Okay scanning scanning When rags speaks australian my wean gets bigger also high rags Hello, wow, I didn't say the famous online No, do it. Oh, I just said it. No, I meant so rags is famous australian line is yeah No, right Um, gadel that's not a line. No, that's a line Dude, no moulsan bagel nut bagel nugs. Oh I get it Hi ragi. Hi long man. Hello. Love the The suicide squad themed profiles. Oh, yeah.  Yeah nimlex Once again delivering like quality fan art for us to use in our dcu archive I improperly credited um cara for the The justice league ones and I I felt really bad about it. In fact, I made sure I made sure to name drop nimlex uh during the efap movies on the suicide squad and You paid him an exposure I I paid him an exposure. That's right. I'm I'm just like a son Um, I love the film though. It's a tizmy 4 out of 10. Imo can't wait to hear what y'all thought Well, I think be curious after the conversation uh dread if you feel the same way or not. I don't know. We might and probably probably do But uh, I think I busted it uh lifted it up one for you. Well, maybe we bumped it down. Who knows it's reasonable I think I think that a four is like it's still a reasonable rating for the film I just like I I bumped it up to a five because there was more good stuff in it than I realized Well, I think there are enough problems in it that you could like make an unbridled rage out of it Like there's plenty to complain about totally totally um, I would only The wonder I have with stuff like that. It's just like Did you see the good stuff in it to that person? I should be like, did you see the stuff that is like running on calls?  That's good Possible Um, I'm guessing the plot is flawed, but I love the characters Yeah, I pretty much where we're at. Um, basically our take. Yeah, it's the base take. Yeah Also, yeah, pretty spot on has anyone seen succession. It's a brilliant show season three soon Nope Oh, that was just a heart that's nice Oh, oh, this is this is the weirdest way I've done super chance to have Let's just tap in the keys play major's mask you waffles. Also. Hello, mr. Rags Oh, hello Um, maybe maybe at some point I mean, I wonder if a Zelda game is not suitable for someone like super jack hatcher because I'll have to like Think on the puzzles and stuff Like is I haven't actually played it before The mad lads finally did it they made a better than three out of ten movie never thought I'd see the day Finally all it took was James Gunn and complete creative control and he was able to do it Who knows maybe they already did it with shazam and we just haven't gotten to that one yet because that that one's That one's next Uh, I wonder if James Gunn knows we exist given this film literally has good rat He must be a fan. There's any way you can explain that. Yeah He's contractually not allowed to you know say it, but yeah Um, definitely. So iaskrich pat belly rub Applied to german shepherd golden retriever a newfoundland New finland, I think is the pronunciation. Oh, is it? No, is it new finland. Yeah I mean, I've finland is speltfoundland, but I have not heard it pronounced so Oh newfoundland. I I think I'm looking at hold on New finland. Yeah That's it.  I don't have an investment in that So what were the three options Iaskrich pat and belly rub they said you could substitute in fuck mary kill, but I feel like that would be weird For a german shepherd golden retriever new finland if that's right Bormier gets killed by a banana in the lord. We want to do it We want to do a scritch for the german shepherd a Pet for the new finned foundland And the belly rub for the golden retriever also high rags Hello Hola, señor ragulten Hello What do you guys's takes on the rampant goblin phobia going on these days? Disgusting I I for one support it. I'm pro goblin phobia I I feel like hashtag not all goblins. I'm gonna go there I feel like hashtag enough goblins, so Wow, we're gonna we're gonna go there. Yeah, all right Wait what better So instead of better red than dead I'm trying to do one with green better Um Mean than green. Yeah better mean than green So what a chat said they know what they did I'll let him tell you otherwise Quick anyone else answer except fringy. Where would you rather live australia or canada? Canada probably canada canada Yeah I like how mean did you just say canada as well Yes, yes, I did but for the moment. Yes, canada is looking at feeling Um, and what would you rather fight polar bear or honey badger? Uh, honey badger Honey badger.  Yeah, I'll take the polar bear Yes Dude, you got to like disengage from internet politics if you What was panada and australia are turning marxist This is very much a matter of you need to stop with just internet politics Are they are they more marxist this week than they were last this week than last week? We gotta we gotta seems like we could see a trend fringy. It's turning I mean technically if it gets even point five point zero one percent marxister It is technically turning marxist. I'm still gonna with the honey badgers. What's happening? There is a zero point 001 chance of it turning marxist. We have to treat that as an absolute certainty. Yes Dude, it dude the conservative government is currently in government in australia. Like I don't know what I meant to say That Maybe the conservatives the communists Maybe that is their official position. Yeah, maybe that's their official position Yeah, they know what they're doing Watching this movie made me realize that Idris Elba is a heavily underutilized actor And I hope it gets fixed by him being in the next bond Um, yeah, I've seen the sentiment that it's a pity He feels like he's been discovered a little too late.   Yeah, he can still he can still do some more blood sport, right?  I I I guess My concern is like, where do you take the character from here? And I I'm not saying that's impossible to explore him further. I'm just like Me and Fringy speculated a whole movie for him that we want to see I would see it. I would totally see it. Um, there's so much stuff I don't want to go into it because it's just it's like And can he please be paired up with ratcatcher? I want to see more of him with ratcatcher too And weasel.  We're just like, oh my god We want to see what they were hoping would happen the first time um What do you guys think about margot robby's performance as harley aside from the movies not being good high rags I mean she's a talented actress when she's not given, you know crap material Be like when I started the trailer I was like wow like what a talented actress and actually sort of like playing a character here They just the problem is they just didn't do anything with it. It's not her I suppose the question then is like how well do you think she performs the shitty, you know Content that she's provided. It's like I think she puts full effort into it. I think she yeah, it's not her fault Oh militant militant I mean livery was so good with that line. She's got an incredible set of facial expressions and Like when she's called upon to you know tear up and deliver like things seriously I can't help but think it's the writers not giving her a proper chance that she's ready and waiting But um, yeah Any rough edges she had in Original suicide squad have basically been ironed out at this point. So it's all on the writers Yeah, and it's not even like because if I see her in some other property I am going to be like oh for fuck's sake, but it's going to do with margot robby really It's just what I expect they'll have written her as I don't blame her Um, and I wouldn't recast her because it's not her. That's the problem. I'm not changing what the problem is I gotta fix that script Gotta fix that script a fun movie, but uh Harley and her plot armor. It's not just Harley If it were just Harley, we have a lot less talk about arbor wise But uh, yeah true really enjoyed this film barring clunky exposition and plot in general Capaldi was a highlight and I'm glad I predicted your reaction such takes to this ps first super chat to y'all So thanks longgoids. Well, thank you Um Yeah, I feel as though if you know how we break stuff down and that you're very much aware of how much we value Not just plot but also like character consistency. You probably could have drawn that we'd give this what we've given Yeah, this shouldn't really confuse you or surprise you And I think we've elaborated well enough on many of the good things and many of the bad things that haven't land Right in the middle So what did chat socialism is an evil faith-based cult of death Ah, so I see that the politics Discussion has continued. That is entirely 100 correct. It's just hilarious. This is like the plot armor the really socialism evil faith-based cult of death Rags, what did you think of margot robbie's feet? I need to know this Is this all because I said I would live in canada right now. I think so. Yeah. Yeah, you shouldn't have said damn Yeah, they're both That was your first mistake Okay Okay, so you got to just go jump move it to the ocean. There's only Like fish out there and they just they're they're non-political fish They are a political fish. Yes. You talk to the fish like what do you think about immigration? The fish is like, I don't have an opinion on that I eat food and breathe water. That's my life. I think immigration is both good and bad How's the weather in atlantis this time of year? No, nothing. I thought it was pretty good It's it's nothing because there is no weather here. It's just water I guess there would be weather in the ocean, right? It would be like differing currents and temperatures and stuff like that It's gotta be Just just to be clear. I said swim immigration so that you know, I think I just wanted everyone to know For those who missed it. I thought it was Pretty good. So immigration is actually that's pretty good. Yeah. There you go. It's it's funny, but not ha ha funny Yeah, it's like, oh, okay.   So now we've got Claws out go back to talking about superheroes and their laser beams gosh done it I'm always lost in politics. I'm a retard in that regard. I was like, mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm Um movie koum Just started watching efap. Can you believe this jarred fellow can't wait to see where this goes That's like season one shit, man. Yeah, enjoy. No, that was ha ha funny speaking of happy endings All right Cool Evan, where's your the suicide squad relevant profile picture? Well, there you go. There it is Right around during yeah, like during the stream and it looks great. It's yeah, thank you It's I just want to say it's awesome that he was like available to do this Like he was like he wasn't caught up at work or something. It's it's Nim lex. Thank you. You were you were on it today, buddy. You got Not just me repository, but Evan as well Yeah I'm so I kind of want to put this next to the martian meme hunter one actually and some kind of They're really good I'm so sick of the mcu's depressing tone that I literally want the next avengers to win with the power of friendship Well I want them to navigate the universe with friendship Oh, yeah, great. It's gonna be weird when the they finally get around to making an avengers movie because Everything is so in flux right now. First of all, what the ensemble would even be But secondly just uh, how people are generally worried right now is like is shang chi gonna flop Is it possible considering what I might it's like it's apparently the uh, the box office projections are um Low for uh for an mcu film and if that flops and if eternals flops They're surely gonna be like we need to rethink what we're doing for our release plan and budgets They're gonna blame asian eight Well, they'll blame all kinds of things like um, I imagine they'll blame covid mainly Yeah, um Yeah, you do come to actually show where that I maybe but like I imagine would be mostly covered I don't know what rags referencing specifically, but I assume it might be close to like that whole, you know charlie's angels They blamed like men don't want to see women in movies or whatever You could expand that to other things, but yeah, like it's I think covid would be the main issue lockdowns would be the main issue and um, I guess The ritual of going to the cinema seems to have been damaged probably by now I think so, yeah, and then of course there's also just the element of like You would imagine that shang she would make less than Like Thor or something because it's like a new character. It'd be like ant man. That's probably you're correct for two reasons One is a brand new character But two like when you watch the trailers for something like iron man You you can get what we're gonna be in for this guy makes weapons He sells them he gets into a bit of trouble He decides to start making weapons to destroy the people who are using his weapons to kill people whatever you're like, okay It seems like it could be interesting Shang Chi is like I used to I was like I had a harsh upbringing with my dad and then he let me go and now he's back and I want to I guess I got to fight people who are trying to get me back into his sort of I don't just like what the I don't I don't I don't know Like go away the name though Even the name shang chi because it's we're saying shang shang chi so already there'll be a lot of public confusion there And the legend of the 10 and the legend of the 10 rings. It's like that's a That's a long name for a film Not even rings in the legend of the 10 rings. There's only like six rings on the poster. I was very confused Yeah, I thought you put 10 rings on there if it's cool You guys are thinking with your lizard brains There could be all kinds of reasons for that. Maybe they were 10 and four of them got eaten or something. You don't know Maybe you should have been called 10 chi Exactly one close I saw there was like there was like flinging around or something. I don't know.  It's gonna be generic It's gonna be like lasers and and levitation Well, legend of 10 rings And um, I mean Does shang chi even like is that even something that he can do wield rings? I thought he was just really good at like He was just a martial artist That's why I hate fringy judging the film before it's even out Terrible you can put rings on your fingers. So wielding rings seems pretty easy That he wields them on his arms And so get Russia ring wield you Yeah He wields them on his arms there Well, yeah, I mean Whatever happens in that plot line. He's eventually gonna learn about the magical rings and how to use them. I don't know Oh, yeah, I'm sure it'll be great. It's his dad. It's his dad has the ring say who could claim the rings, right?  I don't I don't I don't think we'll kill him I think we're in the phase of the mcu where like nobody ever dies The ones will be allowed to yeah like like agatha. She's coming back. She's definitely coming back No, no, no, we're talking about villains Oh, that's good She's yes, it was like walker's coming back. He's like, yeah, of course the hero's come back. That's good But carly she might be coming back and she you know, that was a trend That was two in a row the the punished hero agatha and walmer and on surprise wonder was allowed to live to tell you the truth You know the well Well, remember she had to just get out of there because she's like She's just feeling a lot of grief and she knows that she did something bad.  I mean, it's like because we got uh world's end So it's like the end of the cornetto trilogy would be included in there I consider suicide squads be a really funny comedy. I would call it a comedy as well Rock and rock is really cool audience Maybe you get maybe the person's criteria for great comedy is a bit different Maybe you guys seen uh taiko a td's other films like uh, what we do in the shadows and part for the wilder people Those are those are pretty good from what I don't know. I haven't enjoyed a rabbit was really cool And that was that was like oh the hangover came out in 2009. Yeah, the hangover was was really cool Yeah, and nobody's a good comedy The hangover was made by a guy who said like we can't do that kind of comedy anymore because of Todd Phillips Yeah, yeah, what i'm suggesting is like you'd have to consider the hangover to be valid by whatever metric you're using surely Um Yeah, no, um, funny unintentional comedies as well. I could see us doing something for tropic thunder at some point Yeah, it could happen. That'd be cool. Yeah So funny. Yeah. Well, we watched it both times you came over right mel. I think so Well, obviously.  She's here.   I don't know. I feel like that's a missed opportunity There's a lot of things I kind of wish he would have done, but i'm still very happy with so many choices he made Uh, yeah, another one. We just remembered the 2019 shaft. Did we randomly watched? 2019 chef Shaft Shaft. Oh shaft.   What movie shaft 2019 shaft. Oh, yeah, you said it was really good. I I would see it. Absolutely And yeah, yeah, we'll check it out at some point because I was very amused by it.  Could be wrong mm-hmm Slipknot is an awesome band. Also fringy is wrong in high rags Hello It's just but fringy is wrong. Yeah, he needs to get this. He needs to get on the same page as the rest of us He needs to get on the right side of history I don't know. I feel like this last month or so. He's but he's really been slipping. I don't know I feel like he started to suffer I feel like he should have spoken to me about these things earlier If it was really a problem I wanted to I wanted to watch Rags and I agreed. This was the stream.  You went after a political streamer for two episodes and you went back to watching movies. That makes no sense at all This is like well I didn't write this. I'm sorry Um, and yes I guess well Whoever the spaghetti monster. Oh, he's he's a legendary writer when he I like the idea Now I've gotten that picture in my head of the spaghetti monster sitting next to a typewriter Just try to figure out this story with a blue pencil wedge. Did he's like the spaghetti here? He's a hundred thousand years ahead of where we are. He's just trying to get it all done ahead of time He's like, oh god, they're catching up every day Yeah, he's just I don't know. Is this inspired like is this I'm not sure if this is speaking true to the character. Uh, Jim melch from uh, from louisiana I just I don't know. What kind of class name is melch? It's probably someone's last name. Is it a good chance somebody's got to say that melch is crying right now, right? No, no, I'm not saying it's bad. It's just that like seriously. What kind of name is like where it's not bad It's just a what a kind of a name Which is much better. That makes it better, right? You know, like from what from what country or ethnicity or you know What's the origin of melch? melch Yeah, I I feel like melch seems like a western name that feels like a that feels like an anglo name that would exist Not like a not like a smith or a or a um aviary or something Like, uh, you know, like Not like I feel like it'd be something else. That's what I'm saying So melch is the origin is old english Or the or otherwise origin is uncertain probably ultimately from the indo european base of melch Like melch at derivation Which accords well with the sense of the word in old english, but is later In later use apparently influenced by and partly remodeled after mulch are one of its germanic cognates So I didn't pull too much from that But it does like it does mean it's an adjective mellow soft tender of weather Mild of soil Friable or loose So if someone is uh melch They're like they're a mellow person like him. He's pretty melch.  Yeah Uh, you guys should buy a hero Spanish people say belch. I didn't know that You guys should buy a hero from public domain be a mascot for efap so That was something they discussed on the um the red light media Yeah, I saw that Sounds hilarious that those people did they so you wouldn't buy someone from public domain, right? You just grab them. I think you just just Uh, right like a website where you just claim it as yours or I'm not sure. I guess you have to register the rights or something if it's public domain means that no one can own it anymore Yeah, it's just something you can use But anyone could use it I mean But at that point when you just make your own superhero, I don't know Yeah, I mean, we're pretty super Yeah, we're not heroes because all we do is destroy art, but you know, I Yeah, it's something about to death Um, check out turf nations. Why captain marvel is great Oh, that would be a blast from the past. Yeah I keep having to remind myself that That happened.  Oh, so like a like a football like one. Yeah, like the grass not like melch Malt man, which is kind of like mulch But different but similar and is auto playing video on his channel is why the last year I was great Oh, wow. So this is just a person who's wrong about all kinds of things We've covered we've covered people like that before but they never cease to amaze Public domain sounds like commie talk. Oh my goodness me. Oh Come on. What is going on? Well, wait, but look at this public doing that song like commie talk when fascist disney buys everything we're screwed So disney wouldn't be able to purchase the rights. It was public domain Yeah Dude, dude, the reason why nicky mouse is not public domain and freely usable for everybody is because disney has like Repeatedly being able to extend the deadline on that Does not need fixing I guess the the critical drinker. I guess as a response to critical drink Oh, why the oh his last video was why the critical drinker is toxic Um, we have my uh, I love my comments how to deal with hate. You gotta drink star. Is this geeks and gamers hate It's pride women. Um They would admit to that. I think jeremy would say it Why falcon and the winter soldier was perfect.   I can't be that hard Look up millich millichina Millicioner why the fan of menace is great.  Pocket is look up millitz millizioner Does anyone recognize what that is? Oh, no, I just scrolled down millizioner And apply it to it. It's an upcoming video game And apply it to other worlds. It uses voice communication. Why the amazing spider-man is great. Oh man Oh, but he made a video implying avatars last airbenders overrated.  Oh, and you made a video on anomaly ink as well. Oh, no Why lute was perfectly written in the last jedi man. Does this guy not like anything? Does he just like I was gonna say perfectly written. He clearly likes sub-star I was just saying does he does he not like anything? Does he hate anything?   Man, he is just like it's just like all over the place. You don't know what's gonna happen next The ravers kylo ren fight makes complete sense That's a video it makes sense. I do like that Oh, are we in there? How did how did we slip away?   He might get around to it If you're listening to this and you can understand what words are make a video on us Please A month ago, he went after a plinket Why captain marvels? Yeah, it is a wild card this guy in her back pocket. Yeah, this guy could we could just Oh, that's what we could do.  Thank you for bringing this this clown to our attention. Does he have a last of us to take though? Oh, I don't know. That's a good question.  Yeah Someone going to oh, I'll ask him. I'll go into his latest video and ask if you like the last of us too One of his videos is literally how to deal with hate. I love my comment section smiley face.  Okay. I found it. Let's go to his videos The problem with reactionaries on you. Oh, he used the retarded r word I remember being very confused by reactionary because everybody was Because I thought reactionary just meant you reacted to stuff, but it specifically means on a particular political bend Since like no, but those other side they definitely don't react to things Yeah, I guess it's what for me. It's like it was like why would we don't just use a really broad term instead of being like No, it's specifically if you're on that side of the aisle.    Um, all right I've asked what his opinion is on The Last of Us 2 a wait further bulletins as events warrant And uh, yeah, I think it was on a real bbc The main argument I lay out was just that um Tony gets fucked over in that movie and then that's not even including all of the like insane plot bullshit that happens and How much trouble shane black made for all the writers after who had to take care of iron man. It's like thanks, bro It's fucking ruined it for everybody Which was bizarre to think about that they were given free reign with the scripts back then to the point where they weren't even like Hey, make sure you have to make sure these particular things stay the way that they are so that the rest of stories can continue Because um as a little known fact about Uh, winter soldier Making it so that shield was hydro was not something joss weeden was made aware of while he was making the tv show all about shield a little bit awkward you could say create some problems But no no one here really has any thoughts about that. I was a little bit surprised. I think everyone's very busy right now Must be I'm sorry. I actually I actually was looking at something. Uh, I I'm sorry I'm in three No, I really am actually no, you know, I'm looking at chat chat. You can react to it And I'll I'll appreciate that as my company today. No. Oh, I know I That's right then No, no, I don't accept that. I will not accept this The mc would be better off the iron man three winter soldier. Hey, don't ignore me. I agree. Hey Hey, can I only hear anything that's a weird background noise It's only got a weasel He's in my room um Okay, uh, I have some shackles long man and pet rags for me. I forgot to say hi to fringy two last time Um, hey, I guess that counts and um, thanks for helping me to develop my own writing of characters. Oh, that's great Uh, I hope you're doing you're doing all right good stuff Uh, I was very scared when pete davidson was going to be in the film, but then he was promptly removed. Yay That's what I hear. I haven't seen any of his work But people find him incredibly unfunny. So seeing him get his head blown off was apparently very satisfying Wait, what is the guy's name?  What's his name chunky british guy who's in these conquer leaf in loads of movies James corder. Yeah, if it was like that and he got his face blown off at the beginning That would be very fun to watch So if it's similar I can understand Um, I knew I would love stalone as king shark, but polka dot man was a big surprise Fun fact stalone reprises his role as rambo for dlc in modal combat 11. Hey neat. Yeah, he did Um And there was much rejoicing for the the killing of that guy. He is good. I just I haven't seen any of his stuff um Yeah, polka dot man A lot of people came away saying they were surprised and that's just goes to show you how Set in sort of standards and and tropes we are in terms of like the guy who's dressed with polka dots and stuff He can't be that interesting, right? But it's just no reason why he wouldn't be Because our writing works Maybe if um, james gunn makes another suicide squad film he could have the pete davidson Characters role filled in by amy schumer. That'd be great. Oh, yeah, she doesn't have a face But I think she does it's a little flimpy um She's alternatively handsome is that what you're saying? I would say alternatively ugly It's a whole new realm Rags, would you like to come to brazil? I'd happily show you some places.  Also. Hi Hi, um Unfortunately, no, I'm not I'm not seeking to visit brazil. Um at the moment um other places are on my list and I um I do wish you like australia for instance. It's possibly definitely definitely. Yeah, exactly Um long man I rags Hello, hi there Uh, you're cutting wit delivered with dulcet tones. Delightful pastime. Thank you for gracing us with your time Have some money for your troubles. Oh, thank you very much. Thank you very much. Cheers Um savante not being played by neil breen is a failure I mean, I would be happy to see neil breen is one of those He's an actual genius So it would be pretty cool to see him in a movie like that Just don't know. I don't know how he would behave on set. I wonder if he would be like, can I direct this scene, please? Is he like, uh What if they had neil breen do the uh the mo cap for weasel next time?  No, no, no, that's too demeaning for neil breen. He is directed Starred in and written Five feature length hollywood professional films that have all turned to profit. Yeah That would be funny though to see neil breen and the suicide squad Um, where is the star? How can we find him?  I don't know. I don't believe you pop poly lot Yeah, that's okay. Knowing are using several languages.  They really got themselves into a corner with that one Luckily, there's not many of those people so they don't feel that disparaged, but you're still correct. Yeah, gotta worry about that Um, there's a weird correction. What do you tisms think of high frame rate films? I'm fine. Not not a fan. I think 24 is probably best I mean, I know they've experimented a couple times, but it tends to look uncanny. It's not impossible But it's 24 frames. It's just kind of become the film look and in my opinion Is it is it uncanny because it isn't the the norm if they were all in 48 would Yeah, because that's all the issue. You have to wonder if everything we're in Whatever frame rate up till now then someone goes what do you think of this 24? I'm trying where it looks a little choppy, but the action feels a little bit more gritty I could see people being like, uh, you can't see what's happening. It's all so laggy Because I know the first time I played video games at a really high frame rate when I got a big boost to it after like a new computer It felt bizarre Because there was just so many more frames than I was used to and it was so smooth. It was it was it was just bizarre It was strange Yeah, I think it's gonna become an execution. I've seen so few examples the I really don't think I can be definitive on it Yeah, the hobbit sequels had like the 48 frames per second right or something like that and yeah, it was like gemini man recently that Neither of those man. These are particularly good gemini man. Hi gemini man. Sorry. Jiminy like yeah, like the cricket I was about to do that Yeah, I'll be faster. You gotta be faster. This is e-faster. I gotta go faster faster faster faster faster It's just It's just elbows knuckles. Oh, yeah, true Yeah, we get someone to edit the gemini man poster with jimmy cricket When you wish upon a star Star oh Get on a chat I can't believe james gunn said in this film that all boomers deserve death Which is the one boomer really He was uh, and I wish he would have put a bit more Mr. Boom barium and the boomer tomb boomer tomb. This one's kind of cool. I will I'm saying Boomer too. It's better than boom tube Okay So I'm getting to the point now with a little bit more separated by time Which means I skip wait skip wait skip wait. I feel like there's a good chance that I might miss one this way And I'm so sorry if that happens, but I'm gonna do my best to make sure I catch mole because like I said It's just glitched out for now Uh, safe to say is it better than the previous? Not even close As far as I'm saying death not a big question Yeah, this one. Yeah, the old super.  It really was.  I would not want to keep up going for a whole stream I like talking normal. All right. No, not disgusting Moon accent stuff. It's just anything that isn't my own normal Lighting people on gas as you know will result in the fire truck immediately arriving just instantaneously As we learned from garlic phone yesterday yes Like that I'd say this is worse. There's a worse gardens of the galaxy, but still fun Um from what I remember. Yeah, it's worse than gardens of the galaxy, but um Still fun indeed.  Did you know that modern giant monster? Dai kaiju movies use mocha m o c a Uh, both because it's useful as in I guess that's mocap um and as a nod to the classic japanese anime suitomation Maybe let's talk about something else Well, I mean Japanese movies would have a person in a suit with a miniature city. So maybe they Oh Well, I would say that it's not a homage, but rather because like mocap is incredibly useful. I was just gonna say that's just how We do a lot of stuff now right like Well, I mean, it's what video games do now like basically all of them It just it's just makes it look more realistic if that's what you can own if someone was like Can you believe it godzilla was actually mocap from like a guy in a suit? I should be like that makes sense to me I guess I know that sounds yeah, it makes kind of sense to me. Yeah Um ps really hard to animate. Oh, sorry Well, you can Karen it was about godzilla I was just gonna say it's like really hard to animate Believeably realistic people like it's tough because there's things that we do Whereas like if you're animating for like cartoons, it's like you're not really going for realism So you can stop pushing it a bit more Well, a bit more a lot more depending on what you're doing Um Yes, hello waggly waggly Hello, uh, waggly walk squishes for the good boy. Cool. Thank you very much um scanning scanning Any minute now I believe in you Oh, that one didn't have a message in it. You're breaking all the rules No scanning There we go I thought the military was deliberately not killing harley because they want to capture Maybe i'm wrong So they nearly kill her a million times over in that beach scene any one of those bullets could have hit her So the only time you can say that really is when they finally have any of that ending But it's still a bit wonky I'd say So like how does that um, how would you say that impacts the plot if she dies on that beach like what javelin, right? I guess javelin might might give it to someone else But nobody else is gonna be there to get it Like already fled so yeah I guess the big thing would be would there have been that scrub in terms of like milton dying and get men Then there's people coming in at that time would star have been released Well, I think I guess would be The the deal with like I think what's the dude's name that she fucked luna? Oh, yeah, he'd still be a lot. Yeah So no matter what it changes a lot.  We've received a complaint from someone in germany regarding your account We've investigated it and found that you have not violated any rules Metal Jesus This whole time Telled you hey You know when you've been reported, um It's specifically like a german person reported you I have heard of this happening from middle eastern countries And now germany you think that like it'd be more comforting to just never be told this Um, well, so part of the message it seems that they are required to tell me apparently Yeah, that's weird that nations rules, I guess it might yeah, it's gotta be some kind of something in some contract or law somewhere Yeah, because there's a like privacy laws and and stuff like that and information. Yeah Metal was the imposter. It's what you're good for making me cry all the time. Um, nothing. Yeah I mean, all right then I'm not very invested in this. I'm gonna just take it. I'll be right back I feel thin like a stormtrooper scraped over too much plot armor. Little bit of baggins Happens canning Uh, damn y'all might rip this apart, but I'm probably just gonna buy hbo max watch this and catch the last half of the show I'll be back. Well. Yeah, you could have seen the movie almost three times by now So he's probably You probably better to come back Um Disappointed that david died when he just began his arc and harley quinn looks like she finished his Multimovie arc. Maybe he got stuck in tentacle So david is the one that everyone keeps saying they're happy he died Um, but apparently someone out there didn't want him to die. There they go Good for you david As fringo showed you any more episodes of simpsons. If not, I suggest you watch the season six episode home of bad man The best cultural commentary Um, when they say you I assume they mean Yeah, um, and yeah, because like me and frio you've seen all of classic simpsons many times over But uh, yeah rags I think I I was only shown in the episodes because I happened to be watching them I was I wanted to see some of season six again. But you're right. Um on the bad man's again Uh, Ben, I have a question No, Ben, no I don't know anything about hober simpson, but I say we should have what was it less More more funding for public school all money for public schools. Yeah, that's right Just totally disconnected from what's happening So I think this film continuing from the previous shows walla no longer trusts flag and was looking to replace him and was willing to sacrifice him Why would she not trust him? Yeah, I feel like that's a little bit post-talk. I don't know that she would have known flag's reaction to The information obviously he wasn't told by her Um, well when she you couldn't have accounted for, um, uh, the thinker telling them about this, right? Well, no, what I'm saying is Um, she could she has that information. She could have told flag That's the nature of the data So you got to make sure that nobody accesses it or releases it But she didn't meaning she obviously didn't trust him with that information Um, or she just can't compartmentalized it felt he didn't need to know it Um, which she did She did not do in the first one, right? She flag knew that they were picking her up I think right. Yes. Yeah, they did So I But like the idea that Like she's okay with him dying I feel like we need something to work with more so than just he nearly died and then did die and You know it Like if someone said like flag is dead And we got a facial reaction from her that you could interpret as more of a Like good sort of thing. I don't know Um, better question knowing what we know later Why not have ratcatcher come in solo and take the entire enemy army out with zero losses?   Why wouldn't it make sense to give him one bullet and the that plan's fucked? Yeah, she's a blast in and she's got the rats, but She's also Going to be the least like combat experience or combat ready of the bunch. I think besides weasel You don't know that man You could be phenomenal. Uh, he's just not good with water, you know I just I I would love to see weasel in action That's the one thing that we really missed out on from this movie.  You know how scrat he's kind of like mr. Bean in a sense He's just like he causes chaos inadvertently wherever he goes. I I feel like that's what weasel would do That's how he takes people out just setting off chain reactions of completely unpredictable Events that result in catastrophic losses of life for the enemy enemy side Got it. Got it. You know, he needs to be paid respect. I would say Respect that character Um, remember boobah lady boobah lady survives. She goes flat with blood, but she's alive. I think so Could see her return Yeah, she can be in the suicide squad tray Um, yeah devil it's a possible style for uh For weasel The main analyst guy is the on-set stand-in actor for the shock character They see he's like the mocap guy, I guess That's neat I've seen photos of it. Obviously they had to have somebody be nanaway um scanning Oh gosh Do you want to do you want to see what the the name of the song that plays when the rats are taken over staro? Uh, what is it? I would greatly like to ratism noise Still really mention it, but there we go music and soundtrack and this movie is also really good A lot more tonal sitting and what is it john murphy like his music was actually really solid So suicide squad perfect a movie that represents what people who love this film or universe should maybe Shake hands on if I wasn't clear in minecraft kill yourself Oh my goodness. Oh, okay. All right Uh on on hardcore mode after I've you know gotten pretty far. I guess so yeah Oh Please watch and criticize or just watch and judge the video link I emailed you a few days ago and the other videos I have uploaded. There's a tlj review I'm afraid That was like the fast track way to definitely not Could you imagine if like a five dollar super chat could request me to review videos people have made?  Let alone reviewing people's videos and stuff Um Do do scan. Oh, there was a high rags Hi there. There you go um I am actually This is kind of a neat way to do it in terms of being able to know how far into the stream. I am I'm now one hour 20 minutes So, uh, almost. Oh neat Canning Canning I'm gonna hop off now. It's getting quite late Very well, mr. Metal Those we'll see around people to even more people to To report on on twitter. Yeah, I'm gonna I need to try with moller again because that didn't work Yeah, that's that's silly make sure that you have your boulders alibi lined up Yeah, I have people interested in chat. Uh, the the gaming thing from yesterday Should be up tomorrow on my youtube archive if people haven't catch that The and there is a link to your twitch in the description But metal plays video games and stuff Uh, yeah, you can watch that there too for the next 30 days But it's already archived. So no worries Oh, yeah. Yeah, you can find it there. Obviously. Um I think there's an unlisted version for moller, but it'll be on molla one day One day like two years or another. I'm gonna find that's a song I'm gonna get you get you get you get you. Yeah. Uh, yeah, I'll catch you guys around. Goodbye. Goodbye. Mr. Mortal Hello lads got to get ready for work. So I can't stay long. Hope you all have a great day. It's been a fun. Oh, you too I've enjoyed talking about this movie. I figured I would because we had a lot of fun with it and um it's almost A little more interesting than a great film in that there's so many topics to talk about in terms of how things sort of go back and forth Uh in terms of like quality and stuff Um, I don't know what we were talking about at this point This is no molly. You're wrong. I'm with rags on this one. Honestly embarrassed. You'd even say it Yeah, I mean that could be anything. I could be all of the things we've talked about You have the slightest idea how little that narrows things down Is Yeah, you know, it's I just I couldn't possibly know I could have been talking about anything from Guns to peas. I know those are related, but I just I don't know could be either Or everything in between beans. Yeah, I mean, right. It's talk about beans before Probably great. I am pro beans. Yeah Except lima beans.  Oh I really don't like lima beans.  Yeah, what do you guys think of all goodest boy brendan frazier making a comeback also high rags I'm excited Pro him making a comeback.  Maybe you can get some more roles as well Yeah, fingers crossed.  Oh, yeah. Yeah could do it. Yeah, that'll be like him I'm glad they only made two and then stopped after that He's also vulnerable on doom patrol that uh, yeah, a lot of people praise doom patrol. I have not seen it I I really enjoyed watching the mummy and george of the jungle growing up. So I'm happy for him. Yeah Two hours late. No worries since it's an efab stream. You know, it'll just have started still I think by two hours we was we were a good chunk into the movie. So, you know, we were Very quickly. Oh my god. I'm scanning this just like holliest cringe like from loads of people at once Yeah That's that's the only word I can describe it. This makes me cringe Uh, the white house would consider a foreign country being destabilized a positive development. Was that a dig at trump the cia? Uh Then they said well would make more sense. Oh, so was it a dig at trump the cia would make more sense I don't think it makes sense in any way shape or form Um, I don't know what I don't know if you consider it a dig I think it's just bad writing where it's like the governments aren't concerned let starow in and so it gives us our heroes a dilemma I think it's just a half-assed attempt at a like political satire. Uh, that's like sort of a dig at american foreign policy across history, but I think it's just a lazy way to get uh conflict between Yeah, honestly, I think the answer is a lot simpler than anyone's giving you credit for they need it so that the government don't get involved So they go yeah, the government totally are okay with this happening. Well, you're like, right It's just the context is just no it's nonsense. Yeah um I'm a look rags you have learned. Um What is it called Cyrillic? Do you know exactly what this says, right? I I can speak it phonetically. I think I cannot speak it. So unfortunately um Love the Content What's the why lethal? lethal of eat There what little of it there is Love the content what little of it there is what little thank you I do like uh, I do like the fact that you uh, even though you um You know don't get as much though. You will be getting some quite soon. Oh my goodness Um, they're uh that that you do like it. Yeah, there's a few better than most could say a lot of it is You don't make a lot of it But what I hate is terrible or even worse you make a lot of it and it's all shit Yeah, so thank you Harley feels 100 inserted because james gun was told to she doesn't fit with the rest of the story Yeah, she feels that way. I was gonna say is that a failing on his part then because he feels that way But I don't think he had any mandate on who he had to include Yeah, I don't think he did either. I think he just did a bad job and we have to that's He's did a bad job. He certainly had the Screen time to do something good. He just yeah, and The next super chat says it sounds like or it seems like Warner Brothers added Harley's subplot to gun script It's like it's so funny that that's how everybody feels about it. And yet it probably wasn't that It's always the studio's fault. Like it's weird It's always the publisher Yeah, it's the same as it's always the publisher and it's like, yeah You know, there's plenty of instances where the studio the publisher is interfering But like don't assume that's always the case It's crazy how james gun said Harley deserves to be in the upper echelon of heroes like batman and superman I never got the intense love for it That's what I mean.  Unfortunately He's having a moment of some kind like if kind of feels awkward like Like oh, I love it. This is about this how I want to see what what she's doing. You're just like, all right But she has her own, you know specific scenes like Harley Quinn scenes two big ones while everyone else has to be in like group scenes Which isn't a knock to them, but it You know thinking about it from the direction that he really wanted to celebrate and have her And the lines up It's just I just don't think they worked out. I don't think they're particularly good Um, I messaged that I unfollowed Hassan You wanted to know why I watched him his angry gamer energy paid well with America's craziness covered big issues BLM capital riots felt connected to the world ps love this podcast Oh, wait, could you I I kind of missed the first part.  I was because everybody covers all those stuff. That's like in that format and genre Obviously we don't but it's not like and it's not like what Hassan does is unique There's like plenty of Hassan's. Well, does anyone do it? Does anyone does anyone do it as bad as he does? I'm sure Yeah, microba probably but like somebody as big as him with that profile like man. I don't know I don't know how many people I would Say worse than him and what he does and what he does specifically which political commentary And it's not even like it's just vacuous Yeah, well, that's the thing I genuinely think that the answer to it is just uh, there's a lot more out there that offers What you get from him and a hell of a lot more I would argue Yeah But hey, you know that they're apparently enjoying eFap Uh, hopefully we satisfy your poor portions of your media desperation Like I said, yeah, I do I do hope it. Yeah But uh, yeah, so the the next one I'm a little bit confusing I agree with southpaw with Thor. There is a lot more of weight due to stakes Wow weight Is that in reference to the humor like well, it's cutting the stakes is spelt as the food I am evil because I am fat. Yep Like it is a A form of sort of signifier and sub stuff where it's like Fatty characters will just be like you just associate with it depends on the personality that comes with it, right?  This is a movie right now. Yeah um So I have zero social media and I really only watch the news at lunch when I'm at work So why was everybody happy when black guard died? Has the actor pissed everybody off recently? Anyways, love you all guys and high rags I'm with you on that one as far as I know. He's an annoying comedian that people don't like from snl Um, okay, that's all I know. I don't I don't think it's I don't think it's like a really serious hatred of him.   It's funny um I watched the movie with my mother she grew up in Panama and recognized a lot of the locations enjoyed the film Take my money massives. Oh, is that where they shot in Panama? It's shot in Panama. Yeah Panama I thought the same thing I didn't um Yeah, the the location um as I was free was saying it's it's quite neat Lots of places to go lots of things to see and crazy weather out there blinding sunlight I I can believe there's blinding sunlight. Yeah And it arrives just when you need it Yeah We're the old good old rain shine see that honestly that's one of those things where I'm just like when you were writing it Did you not think like wow, this is kind of really stupid actually? I'm sure it'll be fine like yeah, did no one ask you a mr. Gunn. What's happening What is what is it? You're saying is happening here.  You'll you'll get you Did hiddles subletees co-write with gun? There are hidden subletees in this I would say yes They work quite well Maybe if I start reading the ones that are coming in while I'm searching for the next ones because that'll help with the pacing of this um The newest one says also working at a theater someone had private watch party and watched empire strikes back and played classic stars Battlefront 2 a great day That sounds like a lot of fun That sounds like a lot of fun.  I wonder What that experience is like I'd probably hate it um because generally speaking doesn't doesn't like uh Gaming on a like a uh pc monitor tend to have like better um like less input delay Yeah, because it was uh But That would be my concern I mean, of course getting to play something like uncharted on a big screen would be neat um for the spectacle, but If I'm like playing a multiplayer game, I probably would just stick to my desktop Monitor Um, doesn't it make sense for flag to go back to save harley? He's shown as someone who cares for everyone and go out of his way to help them thoughts I Don't know about go out of his way to help everybody. I it's we talked about it the whole friend thing Yeah, like I don't think they really earned it But at the same time, I guess it's like he's like we he doesn't want to leave harley. It's like okay I guess if we if we accept that he doesn't want to leave harley He'd go again. I don't think it's out of character, but it's it's not something that I feel is Like I wouldn't have guessed that I'd have been like oh Yeah, I didn't know that was in character of him to do but I guess it is The same problem she has because that's the thing that's where rick flag was until We got into that building and you start to get a lot more feel for who he is And I just feel like nobody's done that with harley across three fucking movies Yeah, three movies and we still don't really know anything about her Um old topic a hard lock forces you dumbo's to delete a save and create slash revert to a new one in order to finish the game Which isn't in ddlc or is it? Well, I don't know the I guess maybe I'll never know Yeah, you know That's I don't know how long they've been asking for but I do not know if we'll have a play it no guarantees Yeah, I don't know What are we some kind of the suicide squad? Yeah You almost wish that was in there as well Maybe that would be too both wool breakie though No, that maybe they someone was gonna say it and then someone stops him We some kind of yeah, yeah, we could do that and then and then and then yeah Anaya Then he finishes it to a third squad I think that like the the way that they incorporated the the nicknames suicide squad in this movie was like very smooth Like yeah, it's just the the nickname of task force x makes sense Yeah, and you have the whole like That mission suicide and he goes that's kind of our thing I'm like, yeah, yeah Um, I'm feeling yourself as your thing Um, I'm curious was Idris eating the chicken a reference to that article about him not being black enough Fucking wasn't what was that article about I forget?  He's yeah, because it's about where he comes from or something He's not from a black enough background or something to play a particular character. It was for luther.  No, I guess it's good old fashion racism Wait, what what does?  Yeah a little bit. I'm not a fan of racism. I am kind of against it. Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm anti racism Milton versus the dawn So I think if Milton was to battle the dawn the dawn is gonna win the dawn is gonna win not even close In terms of who's a better person again the dawn I mean, well survived in entanglement with a god and Milton did not survive Meeting with bullets. So what if what if the dawn let Milton win out of pity for him and Milton would win. I think that's a win for the dawn at that point A moral victory. Yeah, it's true. You see that as an absolute victory then He just can't be the dawn always wins It wasn't raped release the aik. What's happening in that tweet? So they're saying that he was raped what harley was not no She's she seemed really into it. She pulled it. She pulled him into it if you watch the scene He's asking for marriage and she grabs him and kisses him and then starts this like Jesus christ give women some chance to make decisions worse It gets worse They said that he like groomed her is the thing He was the day it was a day It was a day She very easily groomable. Is that her superpower? Also like doesn't grooming mainly refer to like, you know Oh, yeah, I think talking about literally grooming her like providing assistance for her hair I I don't think that that's how that works with good god one day.  It's a dress half naked Good god, where were these people for wonder woman?   I don't know how to feel about it. Um Hey e-fap and hyrax Hello, I watched this suicide squad and actually enjoyed it. My family hates it But loves current marvel and star wars, which I find hilarious. Oh, yeah, don't worry. You're adopted my condolences um Also, what are your favorite movies slash games? Oh you threw that all the end Jesus christ, uh soma and Um Uh It's one of those questions where I think everything blanks what you try and think of the answer because you've got millions of them They're all gone. Yeah, we'll just give one of each starting aliens Okay, my turn. Um metro prime and two minute or two Well question was favorite game in movie.  It's very shiny. Oh, this is an old face So, um, let's see the I just used the mask to aim better at least in this continuity Hi everyone and high rags Hello to you Hello A better explanation for walla and telling the suicide squad to not fight staro Is it gives too much attention to the black ops squad better leave it to the supers? Then again, if it got out that americans had deployed Criminals as part of the rehabilitation program and they ended up saving the world talk about good publicity. You know what?  Yeah, I think that works way better Well, it's like in mission impossible the the briefings always end with you know, if any of you or your Uh, your if you or any of your team members are are caught or killed The secretary will disavow your your actions and it's basically like they're going to cover their own asses This is weasel he's got my back Yeah Um, can I get a character breakdown for weasel? I do you really need to explain. He's phenomenal. Like you just don't see many characters like that That's an angel so much of text in all of his uh facial expressions You could tell what he represents. I would say just thoroughly trying for the human spirit. Yeah Um any thoughts on the recent harley quinn animated series if any of you have seen it high rags mulligay all right I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. I've not seen it Haven't seen it. Have Oh, go ahead Oh, I've seen clips some made me laugh some may be cringe Uh, I don't have an opinion beyond that Is it is it well liked or well hated anyone? It's kind of one of those mixed opinions kind of things where some people think is phenomenal and other people think It's horrendous and a lot of the opinions seem to be very politically charged either way Oh boy a recipe for good results a modern piece of media you say Yeah Um Sorry, didn't mean to put you on the spot with a video game slash movie question. It's totally fair and totally fine No, that's totally fine. I hope if that's what being on the spot is and I'm fine with it I just wanted to pick you know pick one. Yeah, I was gonna say it's just it's hard to balance because like we could go Into way more depth and make way longer lists. I just I feel like hopefully you're okay with the answers we gave Obviously, it's a lot more of our giving you know 12 suggestions. Hopefully that'll work out. Yeah Each of us would be able to have very long lists. I guess that's worth clarifying It's like we have a lot of favorites and they all rank in different places and it's Hard to pick but I'm totally happy throwing out some different ones here and there an interesting thought based on that Question what would be suggestions for like foundational games or foundational pieces of media? Ooh, that's a good question in terms of movies and stuff Well, like well for instance, if I think about video games it'd be like so probably like super mario 64 It's just required. It's like I've never actually played that I would yeah, that's what I mean. I would recommend that doom quake and half life are all in that category I feel like you know, I was thinking quake I was actually quick and metroid prime. I would put in that category for sure for like And um, I'd probably put it in halo combo involved as well. What is the goal? Here that we're trying to I feel so when I say foundational I mean like these would be the games that you need to play to get a good understanding of what video games are and like what their potential is Like if you've never heard of video games This is your introduction. Well to say like this is like the peak This is this is what we're talking about when it comes to like the highs that we can achieve with uh with video games I always feel like there'd be certain ones I'd put on there like that Maybe would seem unconventional because I probably recommend like I feel like Deus Ex needs to be on there as well If we're talking about I want to go with approachable and easy to complete If we're giving people a list. It's like super mario world in that case. Yeah, we need to Yeah, a couple smaller ones. Um, that aren't too But they don't have to have too much of an investment in that they could Play and soak up and get through. Um, and an interesting an interesting thought on that Like if you imagine so letting people know what you know retro video games It could be like, um, like I wouldn't necessarily even tell them to play an old game It'd be like play shovel night. This is like this is a distillation of that era of platform Is it's a really cool? Yeah, it could be a modern retro game. Absolutely. Yeah, we could Um, yeah Super metroid or like symphony of the night. Yeah, probably like Stuff that yeah, I I mean Yeah, probably a super mario game is probably good for platforming because it's you know, not particularly difficult And there's a lot of stuff in there and those are well well designed games and they have a lot of Appeal and a lot of stuff to teach you Um, I think You know what I probably would put I probably would put like the last of us or uncharted on there just to be like So this is this is kind of like this cinematic Game like here's here's your here's what that is not necessarily that I think Yeah, I mean, yeah, the last of us's gameplay is not very good, but yeah, I know Yeah, but pokemons. No, no chat. I would not have pokemons on that list We had a couple of threads made on the subreddit after what we said about pokemon people very upset with our tree Oh, that's fine. They can grow up at their pace. Um, but yeah, they're uh Pokemon is not a game that I would give to someone who I would start if if like if we had to compose a list of Here three games to get someone into gaming or even a single game to get people into gaming I feel like that's almost more of a more that who is that person kind of thing. Yeah, for sure But um, if it's just like I guess you're quote unquote average person um I've probably given Call of Duty 4 with multiplayer. That'll be like a really easy way to get them hooked in I think um I guess the concern will be if they want to play that And only that or if they would actually go somewhere from there Maybe the spider-man game on ps4 could you've got like parkour? Yeah It's very much your third person action adventure game with stealth elements for sure Yeah, tech. Well people say in tetris is like man, I do really like tetris. I love that game I'm not sure if that would be the one that I would suggest It won't if it was often like actually first video game if it was among any absolutely Yeah, if you're saying you can give them a single video game to get them interested in the idea I think tetris would be pretty solid as a yeah Is a starter. Yeah, you know what you know what yeah, because it's so it's so straightforward It's yeah simple. It's easy to learn how to do people in Tetris is a game where someone if they suck at it They can they understand what it is to improve at it and what that means and what it looks like, you know I think so. Yeah, it's good in a way of like This this you understand the the scope of the game relatively quickly So you can yeah, so this is the playing field. This is what it does do it Now that I've been reminded of tetris. I just brewed it up tetris 99 It's it's the curse it's the curse and um, I just realized see you have tokens that you can use to buy Stages that have different music in aesthetics I don't think I've ever redeemed any of these because I have 325 tickets and like unlocking a theme only costs 15 and there aren't that many I could unlock everything in this game. I think that's how much I've played it by the way Mark the cyborg. He's um, he's a lad from the geeks and gamers team. I believe he watched this sometimes he's he popped on On an e-fab prior. He was he sent me this He's like, uh, my dog looks a lot. Oh my god Suddenly the confusion is much more understandable that top left. I totally see it Holy Oh my good mark. You were so lucky terrifying How does it feel to own a celebrity? Yeah And by the way, I I want to take the cover off so people can see it more clearly But obs has currently frozen for me in such a way that it works But my display of it is frozen So I can click to go back To the things that I want But it doesn't change on the on the program itself very kind of eerie, but yeah, so I'm sorry about the cover, but you can kind of see it um amusing to say the least Portal might be another hilarious portal. Uh portal portal's a really good one for like Yeah, that's like the next stage. I feel like this that's the next stage kind of yeah Yeah, like what you like the idea of video games because just flat out some people just won't be For some reason Yeah, some people just don't like video games don't like fun. They're not like cool things But some stuff Well, I'm not going to pretend like I understand that I don't understand how somebody couldn't like video games You know, maybe a maybe a coke addict would say that about us not like Roger Ebert didn't like video games free Yeah, I know he didn't like video games Was it that he didn't like them will never be art? Oh, he thought they went odd. Yeah, which which is also Another wrong very very wrong Well, I'm pretty sure um amazing atheist said that way back when which is a major mistake too That's that's one of those blunders Of a thing to say the thing about it is it sounds so wrong that you're like What do you categorize as art then because like you must be working with some kind of system That's just completely alien to me because it just doesn't make any sense at all in some ways Video games are the greatest collection of many crafts all at once It's like well, it's odd. It's programming. It's design. It's storytelling It's down design. It's like it's it's it's everything that film has plus like additional elements I can't yeah, I can't Open up a movie and Pone noobs Exactly, uh, we have people in chat being retards here a game cannot be art art is paintings A game cannot be art I think they're joking That person went on to say is monopoly art. It's like yes to art. Yes Yeah, so this is why we often don't use art as a way to like to describe art It's all odd because art is super broad Everything basically yeah Art is communism Well, no as we oh wait what oh that thread Remember that threat well, you remember it because it came up like just today and that thread Where it was like if communism is achieved, what will you do? Oh my god Nobody wanted to be a farmer. Everybody wanted to be a farmer Everybody wanted to do something really nice and fun on their farm.  They have never been on a farm Yeah, they have the idealized version of it in their head Yeah, they they think that it's farmville and they could just give their friends That's a reference. Where did you? Oh, yeah We might not know. When did you read the communist manifesto on a farm? Thank you, Friggy Yeah, that ought to dispel the Friggy as a communist We're supposed to be at least another 15 minutes Where did you learn critical theory on a farm? Yes, I feel like A lot of memes. Anyway Next up is rate the rick versus peacemaker scene out of 10 Oh, that's like a we're getting to like an eight or nine Yes, pretty good. There's if I was to inspect the choreography. I might find Some little bits I know there's a weird cut at one point where rick punches him and it cuts to an elbow him elbowing him It's a little weird Um, I don't think it makes no sense.  It's uh might be mine It might be mine because I think about these two people And why they're doing what they're doing and it gets me very invested But there's a lot of good scenes in the film as far as I'm gonna do Yeah There is a lot the fact that we have a bunch to choose from it's kind of it's kind of neat. Yeah That's interesting because like, uh, instead of saying the end the credits when it ended when I could go home It's funny because you said that your your favorite character was like slud bored But you're you picked a scene where that he's not even in it's like as your favorite scene. Is that funny? Is that funny? Is that we it's not hilarious. Well, no, it's just it's it's interesting that um, You know these two characters their conflict is So good. It's still like a favorite scene of the film even, uh, You know your favorite character Period isn't a part of it. Yeah, um, it's not it's not like a critique or anything Yeah, to me as a testament of the the character work in the film That's uh, that's probably the better way to phrase it Rick flags final line is the counter to the whole you can't talk about media for longer than it is argument Yeah, it's it's one of many we talked for a while about that line And you know we talked about the movie in total for about seven and a half hours That's not that much longer than the film, you know, this is kind of same Long man bad.  Um, sorry, I don't have a hundred dollars to tell you why you're gushing over trash Oh You don't have to not have enough money to explain how we're I mean, it's just as we I feel like we've been pretty reasonable We tore into this film Quite a bit dead. It's five out of ten. You can go to think you tore into it for five five out of ten Um, this movie was fun because of the great character writing. That's it. Enough said I this um, you know What you can draw out of it for fun You know when you have plot armor scenes or scenes of Harley killing everybody inexplicably I could totally see someone saying I found Those fun. I'd be like, yeah, I mean You can find anything fun. Jack Snyder probably loved it well I think he really you probably can't promote it, right? I'll be happy about it because in some ways this Uh People see like celebrating this as shutting down air and air is connected to Snyder in ways The whole thing just there's so much there's so many things you need to factor into this world Yeah, you just is it good?  It's not that isn't not the way to do it, but to each their own I guess Attempting to have a back and forth with chat. You guys learn nothing from mr. Nuggets a son. Hail efap high rags Hello, don't worry. We'll ban all of you at the end. That's the way we do it Yeah The more months you have the faster the bad go outside and and uh consume vegetation Consume grass. Yeah Look look at this super chat This movie gave me something I haven't felt in a while real stakes for the characters I was concerned for if they would live and die. How amazing is that with how much plot armor there is Oh, yeah, that's that's yeah, but like I felt the same way. I was genuinely considered I feel like the plot armor in this movie is something that we will be referencing into the future as an example If whenever it crops up. Yeah This is a good movie. Love you rags All right Four five and six do not register with these loons. It's either a negative or less than three if I hate it or a What greater than set I think it's with I think it's oh they're talking about chat some people in chat I was gonna say how could they say about us? We literally gave it a five We went for a very confused. Yeah. I yeah, I I get you. I get what you're saying Uh rags, please stop saying the n-woods so much Uh, well, no, no charge cheese Do they oh they don't like that weird damn They want rags What Nothing go ahead.   Oh You can capture and kill them, but I guess you're using couch Uh, just got out of the theater Yeah, just got out of the theaters was notified before the film started the characters easily carried the film can't wait to hear you guys thoughts While we felt the same way Yeah It's it's like as if uh applying the standard to this movie it's generating a lot of very similar Conclusions. Yeah seems to be At least in our community different communities different results. Um, like I said, I've seen some hardcore hatred for this film And people who are like hey look, you know, this movie's not great, but holly quinn, man Um Hale been an e-fapper from the beginning here is to another year of e-fapping Hale molla hail rags hail metal hail fringy hail mods hail guests Hale indeed. Hi there. Yeah. Hope you still having fun three years on Um, how can you hate low key and like this and then they got lots of smiley faces So I don't know if it's so probably a kappa thing a smug Ross possibly In case serious, just watch our low key coverage and you'll know why Yeah, we covered the whole thing Assuming gun gets to do the series for max. He's been named in a lawsuit alleging sexual assault Yeah, I heard about that. Apparently recently he's got a new thing. That's oh Yeah, I hadn't heard about this um But a gree gun did yo man work on these characters Yeah, I mean, I think you did good work, but yeah, uh, obviously don't know what's gonna happen with whatever that lawsuit is Or what's going on? I know very little about it Um, I think there's a super chat f for Milton makes sense mm-hmm Named in sorry james gun named an underage sex assault lawsuit for hosting pedophile themed party That uh, I don't know if that's the thing that he got fired From yes, I well, so we got fired by them for it having happened. This looks like it's a step up from Cancellation this looks more like an allegation. That's much more serious.  Oh, oh jimmy uran. Okay. That's that's his stage name. Okay Jimmy uran like p like p. Yeah. Yeah, so his real name is james uringer Uh, you want us to make a good argument, but we have only 30 characters per dollar at best to make them It's not an excuse, but that should be able to explain the lack of arguments It doesn't when you have chat and we will we will keep an eye on them all And it feels weird to me like I feel like there's a lot of arguments you can still make with a paragraph um And then if you at least start a relatively strong argument or something and then you can you can bounce back and forth um Again, I'm just trying to think of an example, but obviously you can summarize plot armor in just two words if you were like my issue with I don't know peacemakers approach with flag I'm trying to think like invent a scenario. It's like, I don't know. I Um, I think you should have killed him way faster. It took him way too long Like that didn't take me long to say if that was a position You I'm just trying to think of like what is this argument that it requires the essay or longer than a paragraph? I feel like you guys have got plenty to work with in chat And again, it doesn't have to be through a super chat funnily enough. You probably would have gotten too faster Um through chat them with through super chat. So when we get on sections like that Um, but of course you can't make arguments like we can because we have relatively infinite time and voices so But like you do you have to as much as you want us to appreciate that you can't make the argument in that time Saying to us you're wrong. It's terrible. What do you want us to do with that? just I don't know Um I like the movie, but I know a guy who hates it because of all the violence He thought the innocence of aliens dying was unnecessary thoughts I mean it makes people don't like violence. I mean, it's fair enough It's If you're talking about the act itself versus depicting it So like I think it's good that we had that level of damage to motivate these Partially bad people to really think about the choice they're gonna make and stuff, but I mean it is a gory film I don't know How much I can say for you know, like when people talk about like movies or or blood and it's like Justified to be in there or gratuitous. It's a tough line sometimes to define You okay, did you come? Oh, no, I just read what south open the chat Is it's controversial to think birds of prey is terrific because it's terrific And if james gun had made the same movie everyone would have completely embraced it No, no slight against gun. Just think we're undervaluing kathy yan here Don't care.    Yeah, man Gone, but not forgotten Yeah Um, no text for one dollar even using chat. You can miss it. There is a 200 to 250 character per limit per message Well, change what I said to 199 then whatever the lower one. I don't know. But again, like I said, we were reading chat at that point So you don't need to worry about it Um With regards to the grooming comment about harley, there are apparently sapient bipeds that believe women have no capacity to become adults Thus From the sessimo perspective it was grooming So if someone was to argue to me that she's clearly doing it because she wants to maintain this strong position Instead of being a prisoner I mean There's an argument there if I don't even call that rape Um, especially when she's engaging It would just be really bad power dynamics would be the Yeah, and so that's without context with context. She's like one she's initiates. Um He's just talking about getting married. It's all very weird. But like calling it rape It's like we need to save that word for things. Yeah, like that are more, you know That's a serious thing. So we should treat it like with the amount of Serious as I feel it deserves, you know, then she kills him Like she doesn't seem to be worried about the power dynamics there The power dynamics of killing personally Yeah, there's some power dynamics going on there Um, oh no, this one says message retracted. I don't know what it said. It's gone I guess I don't know if they took it or youtube did but it's dead Yeah, I don't know friends Friends don't eat friends Well, yeah, and you know once and now I got his friends. He didn't want to eat any of them Um, this movie kind of reminded me of old B movies. I grew up watching. I think it's really appealing for that reason Well, so this is the thing I figured this movie would be loved because it's problems lie in plot and most people don't give a fuck if your characters are on point Um, so I'm just like weirded out by the reaction to it You'd almost expect that it would have been beloved and like people would just hate the fact that eFap Have to pistol over it just because the plot line is convenient or something Um But no, uh, people people were still pissed at it and I think it's easily enjoyable for that by the way Because watching bullets miss From people who are random soldiers and stuff which happens a lot in this film is stuff that I can oftentimes just be like Whatever get back to my character doing things. That's fine.  I felt pointed. I felt I don't think that I don't know. I wasn't I wasn't being specific at all. I'm not naming your names Um, any of you guys big readers i'm currently deep into the wheel of time series Uh, no not for a long time I finally decided to start reading the android stream of elect sheep because I've never read that Watch blade runner, but I read that interesting so far if ringy. We just need you to say So smart me love book So so smart Love Um Anybody else because I know wheel of time is considered like fantastic by a lot of people. I just uh, I do not I've heard of it, but I'm just not familiar I think that's one of wolf's like favorite book series Um, I wish I was a bigger reader.  So it's difficult I'm a slow reader. I need to read more I've been trying to lately Uh, I think a better way to do this help scene would be So this is this says would be dead dash whoops I'm a little bit confused about but it says blood sport shooting the fish things Oh, I guess because this thing I almost like as if they were about to say dead I get it blood sport shooting the fish things and the shark getting close to harley and panic Um, oh, do you mean like he heads toward harley so that it helps that they're able to connect with him fast and then I guess uh dead shot. It's I just did it. Thanks. So there's a blood sport shooting them Um, yeah, this is what I mean We could speculate for a while about all of the this is like everything's fixable in this as far as I'm concerned Yeah, I would say so. Yeah Um, I think people are being possessed in hollywood Okay, I'm not sure. I guess like a kappa meme thing or I don't know. I don't know. Well, the thing is the problem I don't even know what part of the conversation that's referring to but Yeah King shot, it's the ground and you see a tear all down his face I was gonna mention that the thing is he'd just come out of a torrent of water So it's not clear if that's a tear if that's just water But uh, it is lined up with his eye.    Yes Um What if what if no one recognized the pope at a Pedophile party because he wasn't dressed as the pope. He was dressed as a priest Some guy and people aren't just aren't not used to seeing him when he's not in his Outfit. Yeah There are things an arrow can pierce that bullets don't physics is a wild lady Yeah Shop and how fine is the point at the end? I think it's I think if it's plates though Like if you have like kevlar threads and things that's that's one thing, but if you have like plates I don't think an arrow or I don't think an arrow is going through that Hmm doesn't think I I just um I don't so if if a bullet can't pierce a thing does that mean no knife can I'm like, I don't know that's how that works I guess I just don't know enough about how it all works to be definitive I don't I don't think that's a hole rather. It's like just a way that certain materials can do certain things physics wise Yeah Um quick addition that's a 50 ae I assume in relation to the bullets being fired caliber of a desert eagle. Yeah as far as I know they they they're in 50 ae and 357 I'm not sure if they make them in other sizes.   That's the thing. Yeah Um hail mola king of the welsh longman There are long men in many different factions. I am the king of the welsh ones Um, you have the welsh ones Collisions of that velocity make bullets deform and deflect definitely not shatter neither character could get hit from those shots Is it impossible for it to do that? There's a bit of promise. I don't know the nature of the the tiny bullet I don't know if it's like weird nano tech.  I guess but probably here's the thing.  I I'll believe that the important part is that His bullet is special Because he's he uses special gear and tech so it goes through the other bullet I guess I can go with that, but I I I totally understand why anybody would think it was a bit bullshit. I understand um If I super chat pp poo poo and I make as many arguments as you did as you were doing something wrong Just saying you're wrong is not helpful pp poo poo Okay, just saying you're wrong. It's not helpful. I agree. Yeah Uh Well, because that's the thing if someone said I'm not trying to be helpful. I'm just telling you. I think you're wrong. I would just be like Okay, then Look, there's just not much I could do with it. That's all I was just like I was gonna say the reverse back. I guess Uh, I like that random percussion cap revolver Harley grabbed was loaded didn't discharge when dropped and all that it had All they had to say was a quick lampshade Well, apparently they recognized that that one was ridiculous. They didn't seem to notice the rest in the movie because that's the only lampshade we got Um And it was pretty distracting too because like Why couldn't you have done anything else to make that work? I don't know. I guess they really wanted the payoff of he turns around and gets shot because it's so un Unexpected I guess Well, her stabbing him would have had the same effect and there were there were in an area where it would be more Believe when they smashed us there'd be shards of gloss to use as well, right? Yeah, exactly. That could work Um Exactly guys. Doc Ock and Spiderman 2 isn't accurate to his original comics counterpart, but he's still a great villain No I'm so so sorry.  You're it the tentacles do not talk to him in the comics. I know that for a fact Is that enough to throw people off though? Will they say he is in spirit still on on point?  I just it's like, you know what? It's great that you separate your assessment of doc ox quality from the comics, but maybe you should like pay attention to Just how he how consistently he behaves through the film or How the entire plot runs on new york police being too stupid to track him when he's like the easiest person in new york's track I don't know Or how about the fact that he uh doesn't use his tentacle blades to Kill spiderman when we know that he has the intense kill him or even just injure him Um My point about someone saying harley being groomed was that there are people who believe females that literally cannot consent Acts with males because of sexual power dynamics. Perhaps I misheard the point before Well, so this is the thing.  Can you it's all about informed consent You know like informed not under duress not under like fully. This is your decision however Having a woman and man and thus the man has is stronger and therefore it's an imbalanced power dynamic And she cannot consent to sex. We're like, so that's a crazy world and I do not consent to live in it Stop saying imagine you're confusing the poor people Just say my watch is great. The company that makes it is bad. My watch isn't now bad iraq's Hello, I don't know that I You say that that would confuse people less I feel like they're going to be more confused because now we're talking about like products and companies and Um, someone could go as far as saying a product becomes bad when a company that made it is like revealed To have done it through the harvesting of the souls of children or some shit when we're talking about Someone enjoys the story and considers it well written and then you find out it is non-faithful And does that affect the story at all and the answer is that it shouldn't But some people may actually try and bite that bullet and say, you know what if it turns out He really did base the Lord the Rings books off a comic and he completely shot on the original works Then yes, Lord the Rings is now bad. We're like damn But um, I don't the reason we pick Lord the Rings Yeah, and the reason we pick Lord the Rings because I don't believe people will bite the bullet on Lord the Rings It's not gonna happen God, well, I mean There's like pretty big changes from the books to the movies that were Necessary like the the scouring of the shire was was axed the thing is um You need to like the reason you come up with that hypothetical is you have to Slay most of Lord because like some people will be like well Most of it is intact the spirit is there and the changes were reasonable They'll say stuff like that But if you change it to the point where it's like a completely different story, they can't say that anymore Um, no one's saying the spirit of hillhouse was carried forward into the show It's got nothing to do with the book You're like the spirit of it being spooky, I guess Well you um It's it's funny because the characters in the suicide squad like I was curious to see what polka dot man was going to be like because as I understood he Turns the polka dots on a suit into like gadgets And I thought we were going to get something like that in the movie and it wasn't that They like it was they were a lot more weaponized, but it was fine it was like it was a Fine change it doesn't I can't say it's like Uh like an improvement from the comics or it's a step down It's just like it functions And yes, it's someone's only knowledge of polka dot man is from this movie then I highly doubt that they're going to Have that change affect their experience of the movie um Don't in chasset. I think with tolkin and such an epic wick people should create something that respects the written Wid he created for it to be considered good Do we have this conversation at five once the problem is these are extremes and people just don't want to give them up Like if someone can make a whole lord the rings Has nothing to do with all the rings then surely it has to be considered bad and it's just like no I'm sorry. No spider man is the big part of the you know spider man the established Character, it's like right. So it's beyond reproach. You know if we if lord the rings existed as is But froto was called peter parker and gad elf was called uncle bed. Did you say peter parker?   This is the problem we face um God all modern comics are just garbage because they differ from the original golden age comics from the 40s I don't know if i'm assuming they mean it has to be satire.  Yeah, superman being able to fly, you know Well, I think I think you could apply it to everything right because the comics changed from the 40s to the like 50s 60s golden age and then silver age and then like you get into the you know The 80s in the 90s and then 2000s. It's it's never the same You can't be consistent over the course of like 80 years It's really hard Uh more like can you give me a refund for this super chat? I couldn't find the exposure option um Oh, hey, oh there's your exposure already. You've got it right now. Here it comes it bathed in the exposure high rags Hello to you Um adaptation is a bad argument. Ifap is correct losers Listen, it's just impossible to maintain.  It's useless Yeah, look, this isn't we don't like the argument.  I'm sorry Like that's why we don't like it See someone's super chat. Isn't this basic knowledge? It's like, uh, don't don't Like I wonder where these people think of the lego batman movie. Is that a bad adaptation of batman because it's Does he kill any lego people? Well, well, let's look at the snider people. How many people who are usually like it has to be exactly like I'll make suddenly sacrifice that standard when snider cut came out. Well, that's the thing. They sidestep They say yeah, well, it's elseworld superman. So it's fine. There's a lot of shit else And you that's well, I don't yeah, this is what I mean as soon as you accept elseworld as a possibility surely everything's on the table Well, so This is really funny, right? Um in the in the in the first batman comic Batman punched a guy into a vat of acid Um and in other early batman comics. He used guns. Um, and then Uh come the 40s the comics authority like the back there was a there was a Code I got like a moral code that they had to follow that was Disturbed upon them by the publisher.  Um, exactly. Yes. I'll get fucked. Yes. I'll get fucked.  Um, um, what?  I've seen some of those Yeah images. It's odd. It's odd Yeah, so they so so there was a mandate that won. Okay A mandate?  Uh, let's have it be that he abhors Violence and gun use and all that and uh, that's kind of how that happened So they were still figuring out what they wanted from the character at that point But it wasn't it wasn't the writer's own conscious decision. It was forced upon them by the publishers Um, I need to actually read the book that goes into a little bit more detail but I think that might be I think that might be the deal um And then that and then like the the editor. Yes, that's the editor.  That's why I gotta get this book where a lot of this is documented Yeah, I got my information from an unreliable source apparently Well, I'm sure it's easy to get lost in all the specifics for this because it was so long ago and there's gonna be lots of different accounts Because there's a Wikipedia that shows like what the code was in 1954. It's a long list There are a lot. So here's an interesting one um Crime shall never be presented in such a way as to create sympathy for the criminal to promote distrust of the forces of war and justice Or to inspire others with a desire to imitate criminals That