yeah, but like, that's a different conversation.  That's why they're doing it. So this is one of the, I wasn't going to be the first to bring it up. I was waiting for it.  Do you know why it happens, Chris? You're very savvy with the industry now. I would add to, I would say this is a terrible long-term strategy because if you're like a director, you want to go to the studio that has a track record for shelving completed projects. I might go somewhere else. I probably want to work with a different studio. So like short-term, you know, Warner Brothers might make some money, but this seems like a disastrous long-term move. Yeah. Even put into one side to hold not releasing things. You can subvert that or circumvent that. You could make it so that you're only going to sign if you guarantee release upon completion or whatever. Like you couldn't have directors that can get their safeties put in. Well, sure, but like, I guess that would have to be a thing you need now compared to before where there was just an expectation that when the film is being shot, it's going to come out. And there are a lot of directors that might actually like, do you really think that Peyton Reed is going to be like, no, you're not releasing my movie? I was just reading the other day. I guess I don't know. Maybe I've been too big. I was just reading the other day that Snowpiercer season four is that that was finished and wasn't being released on TNT. So I looked up when he said Warner, but yeah, it's Warner Brothers Discovery. He's done it for the entire season. It makes them look, I gotta imagine there are a lot of people who'd be like, dude, I don't ever want to work with Warner Brothers. Like, why would I work with a studio that has a way greater chance than any other major film studio of just shelving something that's already done? I think long term, it's a really bad idea. And it picks up on you as well. Like, that's the final season. No one will know what happened. Completely brand new as a process. This has happened before in history with film as well, being shelved through about a certain time. Having multiple films pretty close to each other. You know, I mean, like when you've got like three or four movies within the span of a year that were already done and ready to go. And then you're like, it's just me. I understand your argument. I just don't think Warner Brothers are going to have trouble finding directors. I don't buy that as a thing that's going to happen. I could imagine that it would be a bit more of a struggle.  And then there's plenty of people who will just take the job to have the job, even with the worry of the film not coming out. Well, sure. But what about, I mean, what about like the the notion of losing the big names that will never come back? Like, I don't think Christopher Nolan's ever going to work with Warner Brothers again. Like he's now with Universal. I think James won. It's with Warner Brothers anymore, either he's going over to Universal. Like, there is definitely an element of just losing key talent that will never, ever, ever come back, which is probably not good. Having the doors closed permanently for certain creators. Yeah. I mean, at that point, they're going to need to focus on the ones that are willing to work with them or luck out with brand new talent that eventually becomes someone like I know. And then of course you have to deal with the general. Like Warner Brothers as a studio kind of has a bit of a clown reputation now. They're kind of viewed as like a bit of a clown studio, it seems, of like that they've had films that keep consistently failing and that they're shelving these projects. It's the same problem Disney has right now, right? As well of having like a kind of a negative attachment to their name. Yeah, because they keep just getting rid of stuff on the network, right? On the Disney Plus network. Does that, yeah. Just can't watch anymore. Is there at least like physical copies you can get for those? Or are they just gone? There's no physical copy of Willow, for example, which is a real challenge. Damn it. Do you guys love the fact that Ion Ironically do. Willow's only alive in piracy?   Be like, I gotta protect it. Thank you, Piracy. The idea of how terrifying that is, especially as a filmmaker, you work so hard to get that ever elusive green light and someone gives you that green light and you're like, all right, I'm in. Yeah, and you're right, Fring, I don't know what this, does this support anything else or is he just saying the state of the film industry as a whole? Another state of the movie industry, I think. I guess the thing is, he would have to accept that this is downstream of films are failing, studios are losing money. Yeah. Like Warner Brothers and Disney have a massive amount of debt.  Maybe, yeah, maybe. You want that.  And then, you know, some have made okay amounts of money. So it's just like, the amount of knock-on that that would have had in the industry in lots of ways. I guess the thing is now, they probably would like some okay money compared to. Yes. Yeah, they can't even make okay money in a lot of these. Well, it's crazy. The suicide squad flopped, right? Yes, it did. But I guess the thing is that was during, well, no, now the problem is again, Five Nights at Freddy was really simultaneously on streaming and it still made money. So.  Wonder Woman 84, yeah, a lot of movies. Yeah. But now I'm not so sure.  Well, yeah. We highlighted at the time with Black Adam that we like that that suffered probably because I guess the Rock isn't as big a draw.  I wish they could make Black Adam money. Yeah. Black Adam. Oh, that Black Adam, man. I'm making the Black Adam money. Let's go. But now I better really focus because I got to make this thing. All right, I made it.  Yeah, see, I don't know what he's doing here. Like this is the big impassioned speech of, look, I'm a creator. I can relate to the struggle of cram something and then again, Sheldon, nobody ever seen it. Like you don't need to do that. Everybody understands this. Not a good thing. I'm motivated to be like, well, I mean, there's other stories happening at the same time. There's all kinds of like business decisions that are being made that will be beyond the creative aspects. That's just the nature of all of this, the creation, the fact that you even had a chance to make it in the first place as a result of loads of very cold business decisions. So the fact that there's repercussions for those decisions is something you should be prepared for in some way, shape or form. But then on top of that... If you're going to work... Mm-hmm. What do you want to go ahead? I was just going to say, if you're working for a big studio, you have to understand that this is going to be part of the equation. If you work with some... In the same way if you're working for EA, you know the deal. Like if you're working at an EA studio, you understand the deal, OK? You've got to make a lot of money.  This goes there. I guess it goes there. That's how it's there. I was watching random film talk made of videos on The Hobbit, which are very good.  The Hobbit trilogy of movies. And one of the things that he discovered was that Thranduil, who was the Elven King character that you don't remember. He was actually one of the best characters in the movies. They had an entire segment or an entire element of his character that was essentially his whole motivation for why he's involved in the story, essentially, for the most part. And it was just removed. They had it.  And they just cut these sorts of things out.  These are just creative decisions that someone makes to be like, nah, we don't need to see this very prominent dwarf who's been Thorin's most allied guy that's been with him through thick and thin through the whole thing, who's the most duty bound.  And you're like, who makes these decisions? The Ryan Johnson thing about, we don't need to see Luke Morn.  I don't understand. You guys make these.  Who was it?  Don't have it in the movie. Don't do it. No. We don't need that. We did all of post, all of the CG, all of the animation. We've got the score. It's edited. It's being tested.  Like we're here.  Yeah, but like, this is what I mean.   There's loads of fiduciary responsibilities. It's like, just boring to present this as, you know, someone made a thing and it was beautiful and it was crushed by the foot of the suit. Yeah. I'm like, okay. Cause that guy who made the thing is probably like, oh, the turnaround for this one is probably not going to be good enough. It's going to be just more quote unquote profitable to just shelve it and get the text backs for that or whatever works. There's like a whole machine behind this, obviously. Loads of lame business suit decision things everyone hates. It's just that like, you could at least try to, though, cause this is what I try to bring up whenever someone talks about studio interference. It's like, yeah, but nobody ever talks about the times it worked ever.   True. What do we say about that? Hmm. These cancellation, these, not showing it to people might be when it works. Like we never saw, what was it? Batwoman or Batgirl. Batgirl, yeah. Yeah. Batgirl. If that was just genuinely so bad that they watched it like no one's watching this, then that was it working. He made the right decision and you can, you can make the argument. Oh, well, they spent a lot of time on it. Yeah. But what they made was trash. And so somebody else made the call that you couldn't because they were more talented. You can spend a lot of time gambling and you still have to know to walk away from the table. Yeah. It is their money, not yours. That's the thing. Yeah, but he made a thing. It was beautiful. Look at it. Look at it wiggle. Watch it. Look at it. That's the world we're living in right now. And no one's taking this seriously. People are pissed at it. No one's taking this seriously. No one's taking this seriously. I mean, it's happening now. You just said that there was a big throwback. Yeah, just what he said. He said nobody's taking this seriously. People were pissed. These are too contradicting. This is what's known as a contradiction. People do care. People are mad about it. It's highly, it's like ridiculously particular as well. Because fair enough, if all you're looking at when you're doing this analysis is Warner and Disney, then yes, you might get the sense that film is completely unrevocably fucked for all time. But notably, there are, you know, other studios. And also, we've just come off the back of a long period where streaming services were handing out unlimited amounts of money to people with no track record to do pretty much whatever they wanted. There was a period where Netflix didn't greenlight pretty much any pitch that was ever given to them. Well, I mean, well, too. Who wrote Rings of Power? Some guys. Yeah. It was the unprecedented role on the subject. That's actually a point we don't talk about enough. Yeah.  And it's actually right in fit in with the whole experimentation outside of the box filmmaking. Why don't we give it to the guy who's been mopping the floors?  What's he got to say about Ant-Man? It's like, oh. Now, unironically, we want them to do that. But for different reasons, we're just like anyone. Just get anyone else. It's very much over after the writers and actors strike. I remember reading the whole article talking about how now they're going to be spending less money. There are going to be less scripted shows. There's going to be probably consolidation of streaming services. They can't all they like. I don't see how Peacock. That's not long for this world. I don't see how that could be locked in this world at all. Well, remember that era is definitely over. Was it phase one was. Correct me if I'm wrong. Paramount. No, no, no. Joe Johnson was Captain America, right? And you got Kenneth Branagh was Thor. Iron Man John Favreau. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Incredible Hulk. Who made that? I can't remember. Well, in any case, those are pretty well known names. And you get Joss Whedon for the big, you know, collection one. James Gunn coming in to do Guardians. I mean, like, oh, look, creators with histories that are very well recognized. And you actually have a reason to choose them. Like, oh, Joss Whedon has made several TV shows with team ups of several like heroes. And he's obsessed with the comics. And he's got experience of working a project like this. I guess that makes some sense. Michael Waldron. I know it was Jeff Loveness. Oh, it's my first screenplay for a film, Ant-Man and the Lost Quantumania. How? How? I don't understand. How is that possible? Exactly. Yeah. And the writers that like you check their histories and it's like, oh, they did one episode of Flim Flam from 1973. Yeah.  Why? I love Flim Flam. Absolutely unreal.   Like, what do we think about that? Yeah, I hope you're satisfied with how that experiment played out.  David Zaz. Don't give me that. That's just the thing happening. Give me actual arguments. Talk about what it's going to do as a cause and effect. Don't say bad omens. Yeah. The bad omen is when the eagle flies on the left side of your army before the battle. No.   That's just the thing occurring. You being stabbed in the face. You're like, this is a bad omen. That's like, I have to be an omen. This is my eye. Yeah. This might not go so well, guys. This is an ill portent. Yeah. Love takes over an entire movie studio who doesn't care about film, obviously, who will literally cancel and completely just delete from existence a movie that James Gunn has a screen story credit on. That doesn't mean. Okay. So implicit in what you just said is there are creators who are worth just less than other creators. That's actually so fascinating. The implication here is I will James James Gunn film is less worthy of being deleted from existence. That guy is one. Yeah. Some other guy. What's funny is that we might argue that. It's fine. We might argue. Yeah, I'd be like, yeah, some creators are probably just. We would say it's a better bet. Like if you're going to get a screenplay from James Gunn versus Michael Waldron, we'd be like, oh yeah, James Gunn. But like Chris isn't in the position.  At the same time, he's like, yeah, but yours is worthy of being destroyed compared to James Gunn. Or maybe or maybe the absolute. We're not saying it's worse. It's just not cinema. The fact that they would look at a James Gunn thing. James Gunn, a guy who's made money, that they would even look at his thing and decide nah, maybe that's what they're saying.  Yeah. Well, yeah, but he can't. He's not going to trash any people, film makers though. That's an assumption of what they thought. No, he's not. No, it's okay. You know what? You rise an interesting point. Definitely something to think about, Fringy. And Gunn is working quite a lot with Warner Brothers right now, isn't he? That's where we're at. Entire filmmakers, movies and TV shows are disappearing from. Entire filmmakers. That's the way to say it. Filmmakers entire, maybe. Streaming services. For example. Those writers and stuff are the reason why they're disappearing. It's because they were having to pay them to keep them on the service and nobody was watching the stuff. It's like. If you want to give up your residuals, they'll keep them forever. I consider all the things he's highlighting as symptomatic of a core problem, which is that film is on an unfortunate decline in the highest of budgets area, especially superheroes. And it's been so thoroughly acknowledged at this point that like everyone's making fun of it. Even technically you, Chris, the thumbnail has the marbles in it. What do you think you're trying to say? Let it out, Chris. You didn't say it. Let it out. These shows are disappearing from streaming services. For example, did you know that Mike Flanagan's great movie, Hush, is no longer on Netflix?  But there's a lot of these examples that are really bad, like films that are just gone forever. Like Willow, the precious, precious Willow. No. That's right. Willow less than six months after the last episode wrapped up. No, it's less than six months after the first episode launched. The entire thing was gone from Disney Plus. You had a... You did not have much of a window to watch that show. The only way to watch that show right now is a non-legal mean. It's so nuts. I can't... It's insane. An entire series of TV. And like that quick, it's gone. That might be the fate for Hush right now unless it gets... I know that Flanagan's done with Netflix in like a negative way. I'm pretty sure he had like pissed off with them. Oh yeah, and I was going over to Prime. Yeah, because it might be to do with something to do with like how the content is sort of saved. Because I know that you have to like fight for physical releases, which I have of Hill House and Bly. I don't know if there is one for Midnight Mass, nor do I think there will be one for Usher. That's a shame. What can you do? I really like Usher. It's interesting that he framed it like, oh, his great movie. I can't find it anywhere. Like would he feel that way if it wasn't great in his mind? Does the quality matter whether it's okay to disappear them, you know?  It's like, oh yeah, that movie too. That was a Netflix movie. It's nowhere. You can't watch Hush anywhere right now. It just doesn't exist. There was never a Blu-ray. It's erased until somebody picks it up at some point and maybe that'll happen. Maybe it won't. This is why people are concerned. I don't think this is just that Simpson's meme of the old man yelling at a cloud. Nobody mis-compare on this old man yells at a cloud. It's nothing to do with being old. Yeah, nobody's saying that. Why has he spent 11 minutes out of touch old people? Declaring things that are happening that people find uncomfortable slash wrong. It's like, can you make a point, though? What's your point, Chris? What do we need to do? What happens next? We do think that there are really bad signs here. Stop saying bad signs. Start saying ill portents. Oh, yeah. A big franchise that's been keeping theaters afloat over the years is going downhill and less people are attending them. Okay, here's a question. Do you guys think- He's not blaming Yorkings on this, is he? Do you think there's a reasonable timeline from where we are now where all theaters shut down? No. No, I don't think so. I don't think so either. Do you think there's a reasonable timeline in which theaters start to open up more? Not in the near future. I don't know. I think they're just sort of playing it by ear right now. I think it's hard to say. I think that highlights kind of where I was going with that, which is I feel like we all agree it's more likely that theaters will become healthier than stop entirely.  Maybe the conclusion to be drawn from the destruction of Marvel is maybe this is a good thing. Well, I mean, obviously, I don't like these movies and I would like for them to be less of them or for them to be better. Right. The idea that the industry has been kept afloat by these shit movies was always untenable. Dude, it's a nostalgia critic argument. It's gross. Horrible. It's just maybe that's the conclusion is this was always untenable. This was inevitable. And we need to get to a place where films, you know, the industry is thriving on like a healthy mix of movies rather than just one set of really, really, really bad movies that was never going to last if the quality was going to deteriorate. Like, I don't know that there's necessarily any reason to believe that everything's fucked because of this downward trend, especially when as has been pointed out, unexpected films like a three hour long bio pick about often are rated by a pick about Oppenheimer is one of the most successful films of the year. Well, so that's the thing.   You know, like there is an element of they were taking out so much space that other films didn't even have like the capacity to meaningfully compete. Maybe it'll become a more balanced playing field. Maybe part of the reason why some of these other middle market films have been failing is because there wasn't enough space for them physically at the theater. Yeah, maybe that'll change. Yeah, I think it's a responder to market conditions that have nothing to do with even the quality of the films. In my hometown, before TV was a thing, had about six cinemas in it. TV comes along and there's a huge contraction in the number of independent cinemas, largely because more people were finding it easier and cheaper and more enjoyable to stay home. There's still a big theater going audience, but it's not going to be as big because people aren't locked into that as the main means of consuming the product. And so there will inevitably be a change because of the rise of streaming, for example, and because of the proliferation of new big budget TV shows, which are as good as movies, or the fact that movies move to TV so much more quickly. I don't think we'll have the same number of cinemas in 10 years as we do now. I think that number will decrease and more fewer, fewer but bigger chains will own them all. My town has two cinemas. There's no point in having two cinemas. It will never fill two cinemas in any given day. Eventually, they will probably go back to being one. But that's because there's only really the demand for one. But it's never going to go away. It's just going to be maybe a smaller share of the overall viewing demographic. And that raises the question of how many theaters should there be? As many as there needs. As many as there is is probably going to be about that number because it sort of corrects for itself. You've now made me think about something else that has also been answered from the conversation in terms of talking about the market conditions. Inflation is pretty high. A lot of people are... Cost of living is a thing that's happening right now as well as a problem that is absolutely and almost certainly contributing to these sorts of problems of the amount of money that's being made in entertainment sector. When it's costing more money to buy groceries, people might be more selective about the movies they see in theaters. And maybe those conditions will be alleviated in a year or two or three or four. It's hard to say long term what the demand's going to look like. Even with that, you could say equal parts then that the films have to be great to pull people into the theaters to watch them there. And then of course, the fact that films are now having to compete with video games, right? There's a lot of people who would rather play video games. Video games make more money than the film industry, make more money than television. You're also competing against other mediums of entertainment that exist out there. Not to be too me or me about it, but the whole great man create great times, great times create weekbed, weekbed, great week time. If you replace men with films and the times with, I don't know, box office, maybe or it's health of theater or a health of film industry.  Good times and then good times, the apathy slash complacency created loads of really bad to okay films that have now created this time where it's all over the place. We don't know what's going to be successful. What the fuck's going on? You have the analogous effect in, I think a couple of the business cycle theories have the idea of malinvestment, which is a kind of an analogy for good men create bad times, which is that you've had a period of incredibly free, easy and cheap money, which is being poured into hugely non profitable things, but because the money is so easy to get, no one's really paying attention to where it's going. And so it is like people will say, yeah, it's absolutely tenable to do multiple reshoots for the dial of destiny and spend an extra $200 million on that. That's definitely something we can do because we've got the cash lying around, you know. And then of course that produces a worse product because it becomes baked into the business decision that you can just top up the cash if ever you need to reshoot, if ever you need to improve, and of course it's never going to make a profit. Then the money begins to run out and all of a sudden that can't happen anymore. And eventually that will probably lead to an improvement in the quality of film because it's taken out of the equation that you can just keep spending unlimited amounts of money on filler content because you now have to be much more savvy about where you're spending a limited pool of cash. And eventually it comes around and the business cycle becomes more profitable and everything's optimistic again, but we're coming off the end of, or at least we might be in the middle of this incredibly shit time. Well, because isn't it nuts that we would be known, I think, on the internet more so as the doomer-y side of things, like we would be like, oh, you hate everything and you're always negative. But like I see this headline as like hope.  But Chris is like, this is terrible. Theatres are going to start dying. Yeah, it's almost like... It's almost like a market correction in the stock market, you know?  And now it's reflecting its true value in the marketplace. This is a side effect of not being able to say anything's negative. It's the same value. And so what are the situations that movies dying?  Right, if everything's equal, then yeah. Exactly, how does he distinguish between if a Marvel movie fails versus any movie, is that any better or worse? Yeah, the answer is that he can't, unless of course he actually has a perspective which is that he believes Marvel movies are like inferior as art to... Yeah, so to him it's just movies as a whole are dying because these movies are the biggest ones and they don't work. Which is exactly what people used to say about Westerns and, you know, the great dominating cinematic franchises of say the 1950s, 60s, and then you have this complete dearth of any meaningful content really, until it begins to revive in the 70s and then you get a huge succession of blockbusters in the 80s, which are the product of this renaissance that comes about because all the doomers who said well, Westerns are dying, cinema will therefore die, just haven't, you know, accounted for the fact to these conditions, new people will come along with newer ideas and they will fill the gap and eventually the new franchise is brawn and everything is much better after that point and then again we go over the crest of that as well and everything becomes shit again. We're just in a bad place but it's not going to doom cinema. This is like your your druggy brother coming to you and saying I don't know, just cocaine it just, methamphetamine, meth, it just doesn't give me the high anymore. I'm just not really into meth anymore and you're like no, that's good news that means maybe he can get off of it, you know, he could he might stop taking it, this will help him correct his life and get back to the way things used to be, where everything was wonderful. It's not looking at that and saying, oh no but the meth dealer, oh no the meth dealer he might not, oh no think about all the meth dealers out there, they might not be making the money because it's just not doing the trick anymore. Oh no, this is bringing people into the drug world.  It was the culture thing when we were talking earlier about the culture of being able to be in an environment where you can have criticism, things of that nature Marvel, Disney Star Wars, these spaces, when was the last time that this kind of a culture had existed at this corporation? Are we going to have when you see all the people who made The Lion King and Halo and stuff like that, when you see them talking about the thought process, why they did what they did, scrapping things, restarting them trying again. A healthy amount of misery. Yeah, a healthy amount of misery but are we in? I remember it was a quote because the Halo 2 if you haven't seen it, the Halo 2 behind the scenes is like fascinating because Halo 2 was a particularly difficult development for Bungie. That was really tough and there are so many interesting things that they say in that. I remember something that, no it was Jason Jones said, he said this and they don't care if it took you like, I'm paraphrasing it was something along the lines of they don't care if it took you half an hour or if it took you six months and a gallon of blood the point being that at the end of the day what people see is the thing that you create I believe that people are receptive to how hard people work when it's good I don't think people care as much when it's bad how hard you work on something.  When you find out that Anthem took what, seven years of development or something like that you're just like wow, oh my god so much time and energy and effort and then it didn't end up anywhere but the point being that obviously the process is really important from a creative standpoint but what people see at the end of the day that's the thing that stands the test of time there's a Jackie Chan thing that was in the every frame of painting video, are you going to go around to every theatre and tell everybody, well we did enough of these takes everybody's getting tired of wanting to go home you're not going to, that's right Stop being critical, do you understand how hard they work? That was what Jackie Chan was saying, it wasn't talent it was do you have the patience to do it until you get it right of doing like 130, 140 takes but the point of you're not going to go around to every theatre and explain to them how hard you worked and that you were really tired that day, like nobody gives a shit ultimately Yeah, I'm not buying your effort I'm buying your product You're buying the end result of what you did and a big part of that is difficulty in terms of an iterative process receiving criticism either from yourself or from people who are working with you outside and then incorporating that into it there's nothing wrong with that process but if you're in an attitude of never being critical ever, how do you even identify where to improve and grow?  One thing that will be curious is how Dune 2 is going to do That'll be interesting I think that's a really difficult one to predict exactly how well it'll go That's really bad for movie theaters If subscriber numbers for streaming services are also going down and every streaming service Man, subscribers for streaming services going down, viewership and engagement with theaters going down physical media going down Could it be that we need better shit coming out? No It's all effort so it's all good-ish I mean, does it sound reasonable that the engagement with media will at least be somewhat correlative with the average quality of the media? That's crazy talk But there's also just the natural fact certainly with streaming service numbers of the emergence of competition just on the list there let's assume it's like an even $10 a month that's Apple TV, ESPN Paramount Plus, Peacock, Disney Plus, Netflix and Max No one has that much money to spend on every single one of those the more of those that appear during this growth phase in streaming because it's kind of like the end of the growth phase in streaming but you've had this proliferation of streaming services and people are now going to start making decisions about which one offers the most amount of content for the amount of money I am willing to spend and that will probably mean at some point they will start leaving the other subscription services combined with the general cost of living which means people have less money to spend generally on this kind of thing you will see a contraction in the overall number of people that will lead to a consolidation in a streaming service which could theoretically see that graph tick up for two of those and then the others will cease to exist again but that's not necessarily bad or good either way for film that's just the economics of streaming and we haven't really seen yet exactly how that will pan out And it's worse than just normal competition because each one negatively impacts the others by taking away content that could have been on those and so you might end up in a position where none of them are enough value for money for the customer so they don't go for any of them like if Spotify didn't have all music it just had half no one would bother just keeps upping their prices and adding ad plans and all kinds of things that make less people want to watch and movies are being dumped on these streaming services that you never knew existed that had no publicity and has already discovered I will say as much as I agree that that is true all the films that come out and a lot of them do come out and you're like what the fuck I've never even heard of this there was one, it was on Fringy Stream and they said we've got to check it out at some point but we were looking at I think it was like a top 20 Anthony Hopkins list and I was curious how many of them I'd seen and at like number 17 or something correct me if I'm wrong but the summary was Anthony Hopkins is a like a puppeteer and his puppet comes alive and prevents him from dating people but the puppet keeps getting in the way of his dates and I was just like I need to see this film and I didn't know this film existed but I need to see it that one probably didn't get a $200 million no it probably did get him the Oscar unfortunately yeah see some people in chat like yeah I know that one magic 1978 it was like what apparently it's a great film yeah I got to see it Gus the exact opposite where movies and TV shows are just I think I said that Andal was great and yet no one watched it how is quality going to make things popular we also said that you need more than one hit you can't just have one yeah I'm going to do it I'm going to end with suffage from following things if Andal would come out after Rogue One it would have been fine absolutely fine even though it's not created a course or worse I think that you know if you had three seasons of Andal or the quality of season one but you add in some more Star Wars references I think that season three would be hype as fuck like people would be all behind it in fact was it like some kind of Star Wars celebration thing recently where trailers were shown because I saw someone share a quote-unquote Andal season two trailer and people were like oh here we go hopefully it doesn't get ruined I saw a comment said I hope Fullody doesn't have any involved apparently he's the big man in charge now so yeah worry Star Wars is down the shitter again probably is the big cheese we'll see that's one of the ways in which streaming probably is bad for film or just like for content in general though because I think the only thing that can really fix something like Star Wars as a brand is the cinema it does need this huge mass release thing which is incredibly popular and which can transfer a lot of that popularity to the streaming shows and yet they're spending like pretty big film budgets on TV shows that no one watches and that are crap anyway as though that's going to fix anything and then they promote the guy who's in charge of it to be in charge of all of it even though nobody watched this $100 million show but like why are you doing that as opposed to stopping planning and putting that money into a well-produced well-written good film that might theoretically rekindle people's love for a dying franchise but streaming service is allowing to do that crazy idea yeah the desire of we need to get so much content on Disney plus to fuel that growth and now maybe we need to start thinking about what we're actually doing isn't this so funny that we've all accepted that we were in a part of like a decade era of just yeah fuck it it's like maybe we shouldn't say fuck it look at what they've got they're losing money on every single thing everything yeah that's the funniest result though phase four and five what do we make money on a movie that doesn't belong to us in a movie where the creators gone to a competition it's like I mean well and then of course Disney broadly that only that only film that could truly be called successful is Guardians 3 which again he's now going over to Warner Brothers but every other film is either man it might have just scraped past break even or it lost hundreds of millions of dollars yeah just make some smaller movies I mean again 100 years yeah just make some you can do all the things on your network and do Disney plus or whatever and just take those big franchises franchises? franchises make smaller movies make like a courtroom drama that's like smaller scale don't have a fucking wormhole explode in the universe I don't really mention EFAP but I mean for you to watch the verdict that film kicks ass yeah that's amazing really good I mean when we do these EFAP TV's or whatever like how many times do we like just ball some weird ideas it's like oh that could be kind of funny like hey let's follow this weird alien that doesn't even talk our language and see what he's up to and then follow around another thing or just small stuff experiment doesn't even need to cost a lot well yeah instead of spending an unreasonable amount of money on your project it's like 250 million dollars yeah focus on like random normal human being that has to fuck around with all the super humans that are around it's like oh shit my car got destroyed because some super human fruit and enemy and mist or whatever I don't know should probably move away from using the word experiment because at this point spending 250 million on what they did for secret invasion secret yeah I'd be like that's a fucking experiment why the hell do you think that's kind of a small scale experiment it's hard to believe small scale looking at Joker is like that's a safe experiment yeah I should probably say try something cheap try something smaller scale with your stories for example imagine being in the fucking screening room watching all the secret invasion being told how much they spent on it you'd be like are you guys fucking insane where did all the money go what the hell is this I want to see it whenever the camera like goes to a new scene whenever we leave one scene go to another you just get that at the bottom and it shows how much money the last scene cost oh my god I'm still hoping someone I'm still hoping someone will make a documentary on like where the money went with rings of power like when all of us have settled on that I'm dying dying to know tell us the truth well new and early look nice so I don't know how they didn't learn any because Joker and Deadpool both cost about 50 million dollars and made massive returns why would no lessons learn from that maybe like experiment with something that's lesser known with less money and a lower scope story and then see how it does make it good budgets are going to have to come down oh yeah they're on their way down first thing you can't be spending you can't be spending 200 million dollars and then making 40 million dollars opening weekend that's unacceptable imagine this insane universe this wouldn't happen but imagine they actually did get the right people making blades and they get the right things in the right place and they only and I say this funny way they only have 50 million to work with and then there's like a moment where they need to get this huge awesome thing happening and they just it's just out of the budget and they're like no can't do that and then you look back and you think you spent fucking four times our budget on that quantum bullshit and we we're making like this amazing you can't you can't give us and it's like no and it's like that's gonna be it that's gonna be the realization now everything will tighten up and they might get people in that they can rely upon to make something good and they'll know it's like yeah we probably should have fucking done that when we had infinite ballooning budgets because then it could have actually done something with it but that also would have been a way better business strategy of give somebody a budget which is like reasonable and not massive and then if they do come up with an idea that they just need more be like okay we'll pay for that extra for that scene and it won't go too much I think what happens when you have 270 million kids with an allowance like anyone who's worked in corporate people spend the budget even if they waste the budget because you've got the budget and I think that's what happens with how can we spend this and if only if they cap a 200 and they cap them 180 so that then but even then you should yes if you would just make up your mind ahead of time and iron out the script and get it where you want it before you even start production then you wouldn't have to reshoot every project you make and it also goes goes ahead for everyone involved going like above and beyond and doing shit like I know that Iron Man one example for example they're like oh you want like an Iron Man suit we can make it with like actual person in there and they're like nah you can't make that and they just did it and so basically surprised them when they finally showed up with the stuntman inside and they were like oh shit that's really cool and looks amazing so I guess the people who made this like cared that passion what? Insistent commentary from a lot of the film well creative industries is just tighter budgets and budgets that can't possibly be enough to make the thing you want end up breeding like really interesting shortcuts that can revolutionize technology sometimes just deleted from the streaming services and no longer exist and some stores are choosing not to sell physical media anymore what exactly is happening to this art form that we all know and love so much is it truly just becoming a bunch of numbers somewhere he was always making money you can't talk about I fucking hate this so much because he keeps talking about oh what's the cause like the movies are bad you can't talk about this but I'm talking about the writing of the movie and how shit they are and the people don't care anymore to go watch the movies well I got a big sense that he's like you even brought back the point about physical media again and it's like yeah so where we going what's the point and then he says like is our fate this you know Chris make a point like can you focus like I really don't know how he's trying to draw this together what is he trying to say give me something I'm very passionate about this and normally I would laugh right now you don't come across that way you know you don't come across as passionate about anything I would like to know of deprecating but I don't think that I should I really do think this is a big problem and the only what is all of those things or like what those things mean or where it's going the way that I can foresee it being fixed is if we do for a lot of movies what we did for Barbie and Oppenheimer and obviously that was not something you can't just that's natural it doesn't happen because everyone told each other to do it because the whole thing with Oppenheimer was oh we have this crazy fun pink movie that's funny and this Oppenheimer serious kind of things like wouldn't it be hilarious if we just combine them into a thing we do this big movement already do what he's talking about it's called marketing yes there's a huge budget for it the fact that he's like you know what made barbenheimer work was everyone saying barbenheimer go watch barbenheimers like what do you think marketing budgets are for they find out what makes people watch films outside of just the films existing and then they like those things happen the marvels marketing budget included look at cats cats you like cats cats are in the film you like cats go watch them because of cats cats everyone talk about having already tried that innovative approach in the final trailer when like the first half of the trailer featured characters not appearing in the film that was pretty good I like the marvels I remember people bringing up the poor patrol and soul coming out at the same time and we should start a thing called soul patrol it didn't go anywhere no one cared and it's just like Chris is that what you want like we just start trying to make up dumb things and just hope that they artificially catch on the owners of marketing on the consumer instead of the companies that are going to profit from the output of that marketing you know what I mean like making it like a moral imperative that people have to just go out and gamble their money to watch any number of movies to ensure that these massive multi-billion dollar corporations survive well yeah the big question is should we they fucking die should we have done this for the marvels Chris should we have been like yeah the marvels yeah imperative to save cinemas that already has to go and see the marvels and spend their money and buy popcorn and buy drinks because that's where they make a lot more money than on the films themselves it's just that's never going to work you can't pitch that to the world that it is a moral imperative to like go out of your way to make sure that you support these massive multi-billion dollar corporations the much easier straightforward simple way that generally you know this world works is that when you make something that people like they'll buy it so then and then it's like well how do we fix our problem well just make more good movies and people will go and watch them yeah because he's obviously not going to see there are certain movies you shouldn't do this for and you're like which ones are those Chris and he'd be like well you know non-cinema ones he'd be like well there is no substitute for good word of mouth and the only way to get good of word of mouth is to make good movies that people like and tell their friends about you can't you can't fake it you can't buy it that's how you get top gun maverick and that's how you get puss in boots the last wish also barbie I'd say barbie is another probably quite a good example because the barbenheim thing was an incredibly great marketing meme that happened but barbie wouldn't have got to a billion I don't think if it hadn't also given its target audience pretty much what they wanted from it to keep them going well yeah I don't pretend to understand barbie's target audience but I understand they exist so what's the fucking wish polio wish polio Napoleon Napoleon that's not to just reward every movie that comes out which one but I do think that a retooling of our approach to seeing movies needs to happen what do you mean retool why are you putting this on me that's not my fucking thing it's not my fucking thing how you blame this on me mister when he's saying well we don't need to support every movie but like wouldn't that invariably happen if you encourage an approach of just like going to more movies even once you kind of anticipate that you're not going to like to get confirmed that you don't like it as well he doesn't want to support shit movies the thing is how do you how does the market come to understand what kind of movies people want to see if just movies in general people are just going to movies in general and then spending their money on it wouldn't it just lead to like a problem where nobody understands what anybody wants and people are just engaging in an activity that is yielding not consistently great results for them as a viewer yeah but when he's well when he says retooling does he mean like embrace his attitude of just imagine everything is good and don't dislike anything fuck that the thing he says that people should go more and take more chances but again it's expense it costs money yeah why should they have to do that on behalf of these instead what the better system is the one that we actually have where people look to a lot of people like critics to recommendations someone like a drinker for example and then they go should I see the new Marvel movie and drinkers as fuck no and you go what about the next one fuck no next one fuck no you're like damn what should I see and he goes go see extraction to and it's like where is that it's like Netflix like oh oh I guess I'm gonna watch that on that and you be like oh that's so horrible the theaters it's like why are you making fucking good movies exactly it's funny how it just always comes back to just make fucking good movies that is the ultimate solution the boring fucking solution they want to tell their friends about good movies yeah I know that not everybody can always go to a movie I know that not everybody can nobody wants to go to a movie watch a shit movie theater yeah by the way that's the other aspect if you watch a shit movie on Netflix you'd be like well fuck this I'm out by the way how is how is it a fucking chore to keep up with the marvels and everything but I should go watch every fucking random movie out there isn't that also chore that's also very expensive that would absolutely be a chore to see everything and hope that it's good it's as was pointed out drag myself there to watch movies I don't want to watch you know that time that's gone forever you know that time is it's evaporated and you could have spent it doing something else you could have spent to playing video games you could have spent it going out to dinner or something you could have spent it saved it up for going on a holiday these are all these trades that people need to make and it's a lot more difficult to go to a theater and do that because you got the travel time the preparation and you know getting ready and presentable hopefully then we've talked about this on that other stream a lot of people they carve out a small amount of time for film and they rely on recommendations and unfortunately there's not a lot of recommendations for a lot of films coming out that are high budget right now this is Chris Duckman's protein and urine image I think protein and urine protein and urine the chat that's the e-fab payment I've seen so many memes about protein and urine it's hilarious that end XYZ is my only joy in life dude when the stream when the boogie stream ended it went unlisted for just like half an hour someone had already done the meme of like watching e-fab is the only joy in my life and so we put a comment underneath it being like that's sad man like someone who watched e-fab they didn't know the memes so they just saw that we're like oh jeez why is it in your life I guess I am blu-ray for everything that comes out I'm well aware I don't even buy as many blu-rays as I used to but I don't why tell us why Chris so you're part of the problem I'm already edging toward the fact that it's like is it because there's less good things for you to buy every day that are coming up maybe you don't want to get the blu-ray for all of the MCU where you may have before man it's just worth thinking about that you know for the amount that it would cost you to like go watch the marvels you could get like you know there's a steam cell going on right now it's like you can buy someone's steam that's gonna give you more than one and a half hours of entertainment potentially and like there's so many different things game pass as much as a movie and that's like however many games that you want pretty much they're not just competing against movies movies are competing against games TV shows and of course they're competing against groceries they're competing against electricity you could argue that theaters compete as a hobby or a pastime and the further in time we go on the more there are things to do in the world and so you know we were talking about it earlier but what is the number it settles at what is the correct number it sells at where is it artificially going down or up and it's like oh isn't it just what it is I mean I guess it depends on whether or not you think that there should be like massive market intervention or something that's kind of the problem isn't it if they were that would all be artificial oh it's just how could you justify that money on other things you know and I just I don't know I feel I feel very hollow about like you know we need to save them because not enough people are invested in doing the thing and it's like but if they're not invested in doing it you know it's dot dot dot I mean you can use the same argument against like the horse and cart like we need to force people to do a horse and cart because think of all those stable owners that are going out of business because people don't want to use a horse and cart anymore it becomes niche niche of niche of niche you know like it's like it still exists if you want to get a horse and cart and drive around there's probably some places on earth you could still do that and it's not like theaters are going to become so sparse that there's one per country or something ridiculous but major like you know it's a sad thing to note that it reduced in size for people who love going to theaters but at the same time it's like maybe they were artificially higher than they should have been or maybe they were higher because we're having a higher film and they'll go back up when we have another higher film it's hard to say North Korea where once a week the entire population of my town is being frogmashed into the local cinema to support the film I worry about you've been this month doesn't it feel that way though that his solutions are like you know we need to have some more barbenheimers but I'm not saying support films that are shit not supporting all films not buying blu-rays for all film it's like what are you saying what do you want us to do who knows space forward anymore now that I have twin boys and I also know that you can't always make it to a movie as I said I have twin boys so what do you want Chris tell me please yeah what do you want Chris I have to I was just gonna say I have to jump off so please let me know if cinema is kill or not so I know whether I need therapy and I'll talk to you guys later bye bye thanks for having me guys dude I mean at the moment it just seems like he's going through a midlife crisis and he's looking around his room and just thought I don't want any of this shit anymore like I said that he just made a video about it Martin Scorsese said cinema is kill and he's having a panic that's why he made this video movie as I said I have twin boys if I go to a theater it's usually like the 10 30 p.m. showing after they go to bed that's when I can find time for that right now as I film this it's like 11 does it at all feel like you made a statement and then he's made about seven concessions after as to why the statement probably isn't very fair yeah and it's like so what's the new statement for us with all of this stuff of just life obligations and on top that they're just not that interested in movies like they're not that interested they're not that passionate about movies they're more interested in other stuff someone probably said it earlier already not everybody watches a lot of movies they go like to some movies or just do something on the television or watch some YouTube or I don't know what they do browse Facebook or whatever I think this can happen with us in this sort of sector of YouTube as well but we can get caught up in the idea that most people have an hour level or a little bit lower of investment in film which is like that's just not true not even close I mean I have some friends I'm more of a TV guy always having well even with TV, even with games there are people out there who like all of those forms of media but spend a lot of their time maybe with sport for example that might be what's important yeah they have a lot of interests or their investment is you know passing casual or it's chill that's funny but there's also a section where they go to all the big movies like almost every month like multiple times a month more than I do and it's like oh but they all enjoy them but when we talk about them it's like oh that was good it's like the thing where the one guy in the group is like no they were all trash I think last time they were around they talked about some movies and it's like oh that was trash oh what about this it's also trash oh but Mandalorian it's like no someone even just suggested nature some people go outside that's true you could spend days outside I've heard that some people have done that some people have some people really enjoy it some of us really miss it clock at night because my kids went to bed and I now have time to do it so I don't want to sit here and look like I'm someone who's trying to encourage people to change their lives around to support film but I do think that we need to change the way we view it because at the end of the day we need to change the way we view it no when so just because something is I something it's almost like how do you want to tackle this attitude it's like completely backwards like we have a responsibility to an industry when it's the other way around they need to be making good films that's what solves everything you're trying to earn my money and my attention and my respect it's not just given to them it's not just something that they're owed like oh you make by the way this is like the idea of an industry it's not like a specific person a specific company a specific anything it's just film makers those who make films and contribute to the making of films you need to go and give them money because if you don't then or whatever and I'm like well I mean if they suck then maybe it's a good thing maybe we need to shake up maybe Disney or whoever these companies are maybe a big ol needs to happen so that we can the phoenix can rise from the ashes yeah we've got plenty of stuff to watch in the meantime if it takes if there was just like a collapse of the whole industry and movies weren't made for three years most of us have a lot of catching up to do oh yeah I have enough catching up to do for this year already I think there is one thing that all of us can agree on not everyone's going to agree with Martin Sporsese in his comments not everyone's going to agree that the MCU movies and shows are going downhill a lot of people like what they're seeing and not even he was like a lot of people like alright be careful now it just reminds me of um like I remember the kitchen nightmares where it's just like you know a lot of people like our food that Gordon Rebs just like well where are they then where are they oh yes remember that where are they then it's so fitting it's just yeah the point that he would make is that he knows that he's doing something right because his reservation book is full conversely as much as you can say well customers tell me they really like it it's like yeah cool story bro where are they like if they're not here that's way more telling where are they where are they a lot of people are like what they're seeing and not everyone cares about going to a movie theater there's really annoying people sometimes with cell phones and people are like oh my god you've made like 15 concessions now we're just like these reasons why this the world is the way that it is however loud and it's not always the best experience and some people can't go to a movie theater maybe they physically cannot get out of their house to go to a movie theater yeah boogie will boogie can do it they can do it yeah it's a different I thought you was going to point to that if you live in like a rural area you might actually have to drive like 30 40 kilometers to get to a movie theater maybe that is the case like in rural areas will be like you have to go to original city to go to a movie theater if you're just in like your little town maybe it has a theater maybe but a lot of them don't fat people are killing theaters baby go to the gym to support theater I'll agree on is that as film lovers as people who appreciate movies who want to either make them or just love watching them we would like to watch good ones yes he's done it but I feel like like I don't know what all of that was for just to say that but now you get the question of as opposed to what because he said that he can't be negative anymore well yeah you'll never he's not allowed to say I guess this feels like a breakthrough but I'm not sure what he's going to say next ones we want to see good movies we want to be transported to another world we want to feel like we've just experienced something that changes us in some way or that hit us in the emotions made us feel something or that was just a great time we want to be scared we want to laugh we want to watch those emotions and we want to have variety we want to be able to why just spider-man I really don't think this is a good image for variety it's a still picture it's a still picture it's a superhero it's not the whole problem we have he's not even doing anything emotional he's just there is that like a promote did you just google spider-man and that was one that you saw he could have chosen because not only is it like superhero as fuck but spider-man is everywhere there's loads of spider-man he's like variety he's like the only superhero thing that can succeed right now to watch good movies we want to be able to watch a superhero movie but also watch a courtroom drama oh my god fracture that's neat I like fracture I like that movie it's a character study about someone who's dealing with some psychological issue and that's how it used to be he used to get all of that I do think that in general streaming is to blame and this year with the strikes in general streaming is to blame no it's the it's like the variety of the films being made it depends what we're talking about I mean can it really be said that there isn't like a variety of films that have been made on like Netflix for instance you know it's a streaming service that there's a lack of variety in terms of the kinds of films that they're making they produce psychological thrillers we were talking about we went through an era of just everything being okayed and then flushed onto these sites and he's saying that was part of the problem he was highlighting a lot of those films will be these kinds of options you know like well in the killer it's a Netflix movie and that's like a psychological thriller there was a Netflix horror movie that I caught by chance I think I described it to you when I checked it out but I think it's called The Deep or something and it's two divers go down to a house to try and get you know money basically just to loot it because it's deep underwater and then like the basement's locked and so they're there with their tanks and stuff they have I think enough for like a day and there's just weird things happening like you know shadows things moving and stuff and they get down to the basement they find like a satanic sort of like sacrifice that was done down there and then you know the windows gradually start developing bars and the doors start locking and stuff and it's just like that's a fucking where was the last time I watched a movie like that it's like yeah that's just odd Netflix that's there someone paid to have that made you know that is the argument for streaming is that streaming has a permanent collection a permanently shifting collection with way more variety than you can get from any other single investment in content so that's kind of the point so if the problem is simultaneously that we need to change how we view films but also we need to be given more variety of films and we're not because streaming is that the argument we've had so far maybe his argument is that the films that formerly would be in theaters now only exist on streaming but he didn't say that so I feel like I'm just inventing that argument for him but those films wouldn't exist because it's the streamers that pay for those movies to be made in the first place yeah that's why it's confused like there needs to be more clarity on the point here I think what he said is something that people intuitively agree with like films used to be better more variety but it's not just it's more successful forms of variety which to be fair we've got like is it open Bobby Heimer is like a you know Bobby Heimer I think it's just a variety between those two there's some big variety there by the way I just wanted to clarify some people were like oh what's that movie called I was like I was using it as an example I didn't think it was good I'm sorry you got excited there it was not happy with the writing in that but the idea you know the genre the variety of the concept fucking debated us well I mean of course you know like has there ever really been the kind of shows that Flanagan makes before he was making those shows on Netflix you know one could argue Netflix is the reason the horror shows we got many things that and Chris adores Flanagan's work so yeah like in fact yeah the more that I'm thinking about it the more I'm like wait a minute hasn't like I mean big budget like television as a thing has been in large part a consequence of streaming other than HBO sorry I'm sneezing yeah and the moment you take like television off streaming like Netflix has loads of Korean shows which are awesome which I never would have got over here without streaming no that's right there was never a market on like NBC for the one piece you know live action adaptation that's on Netflix that would never have been created on like Fox or ABC or NBC or CBS like that's you know what I mean so if anything you could say streaming has essentially changed in some sense the kind of stuff that's being made and the kind of stuff that is viable in part because it's a worldwide audience compared to local you know audience and then by syndication and what not I am utterly confused at his point I gotta tell you there's too many data points here that like run in all different directions this is what I mean I wish he focused his point of view but this feels more rambly I do think that in general streaming is to blame and this year with the strikes this is the first time actors and writers have ever said hey we gave you guys a decade of this weird shit where you didn't report your numbers and nobody knows how many people watched our movies and shows and we're done with that shit you guys have that's good that's a whole other thing this is where I mean you just where are we going now because yeah that's a whole other set of issues that have a whole other level of repercussions there's obviously histories for strikes there's results of the strikes now they're going to be seen going forward for the next few years of course that's a whole other set of things Chris have to pay us it is interesting though that if the creators don't have the numbers of who's watching their shows how will they know if what they made was good or bad how can they improve the age old question how do you improve when you don't want to be mean more transparent because if you look back to like the real popularity of streaming post 2010 you start to see a push towards certain kinds of movies rom-coms are almost exclusively on streaming gigantic going to that smaller films are thriving at the art house this is why a 24 is so respected they really are taking chances on strange mid now but now 24 is now transitioning into franchising right yeah he mentioned that in a second oh okay yeah projects that do reach an audience and I think and I hope that that could potentially be the next big thing because I think a lot of us are craving originality weird shit I don't believe you I don't think it's right I'm not sure about that one of the audience crave weird shit or they just crave good shit that's great for good shit good with a bit of weird I feel like it's worth bringing up because it's often forgotten about but like NCIS is still one of the most popular shows on television and it's like a pretty straightforward procedural you know like it's something we never because it seems like in a lot of these like online discussions about media we don't talk about like network television which is still relevant and I don't know man like I mean what it's kind of been pointed out before right what was the formula for television for a long time which is you know there is conflict but the conflict gets resolved in that episode overarching narrative arcs are pretty thin people kind of know what they're getting when they go into an episode of a lot of these shows and that still exists there is still a place for that and that's still fairly popular it's just that we don't think about it a lot in terms of these online discussions probably because the average age of people are watching NCIS is probably pretty old but I mean they're still participants in the marketplace they're still participating in that's another element of reliability to know that you're going to be getting a baseline amount of quality every time that's not easy to guarantee it's the point of trauma right the single female lawyer thing people don't want to be surprised people want to feel safe going into it and you know it varies people obviously have different expectations and different desires and some people have like no interest in that kind of format of storytelling but like I don't know about making this broad statement that people are interested in things that are highly original and strange because if that was the case why doesn't it reflect really in like the kinds of things that are really really successful fairly consistently throughout all of you know the last like 30 or 40 years I feel like the weird movies are the kind of things I feel like the longest running of the most successful sorry about that to you I think like the weird movies are the ones that people like every once in a while as a little thing on the side or as something I like to check out intermittently but it's not like their typical diet it's their you know it's something that's it's nice to have it around but it's not enough to be the primary thing Yeah so you look at the longest running and most successful things certainly on like British terrestrial television it's not brand new pushing boundaries type television it's so poppers the EastEnders has been going for about 60 years, Coronation Street's been going for around the same time what people like is the familiar but with the occasional refresh but they don't generally flock to like revolution for its own sake because you could argue for that from the weird point of view you could say the multiverse arc in Marvel is going to do something which is weird and I guess original it's just that it's shit because being weird and original is actually not fathomable to most of the audience because they haven't actually taken the time to make the thing work whereas if they'd refreshed the MCE rather than said we're going to blow it up with an incomprehensible multiverse I don't think we'd be currently sitting here lamenting its decline MOM and Loki season 1 and 2 and a couple of other things like absolutely would qualify as weird shit yeah you could have made it weird shit but with good Alan Lake 2 is weird you know what's not weird Robocop Rogue City it's not a weird game if you've watched Robocop it's just a direct adaptation pretty much you know what's not weird fucking FIFA like that's pretty cool and that makes money every year fucking all the MOBAs and like you know running for as long as even like dead by daylight like these like League of Legends is a little bit but even that would be like it's been going way too long to be considered weird now I guess the point being that again I don't know that there's any reason to believe that the preference for originality versus familiarity is remarkably drastically different across mediums maybe there's a little bit because video games have the benefit of being highly iterative there's way more of a reason to make a sequel to a video game than a movie for instance because like it could just be I want to expand the mechanics rather than we need a context to continue a story that ended you know the extraction so everyone's seen that before but boy was it a good one of those complicated game of seeing things that are familiar that have familiar storytelling vocabulary but have tweaks and twists and interesting turns and things that are unexpected and surprising it's complicated I don't know that there's basically the point I'm making is I don't know that I can agree with like a wholesale statement that people once originality it's a little bit more complicated than that I would say yeah everybody is I've been a ton of screenings in Cleveland packed with audiences for like weird movies and I've heard the way people talk about that already selection bias that's not that's a great anecdote but like when we look at the actual box office selection bias the people who went to see that are people who want to go see that you know what I mean like it's why would we count that it's like yeah but those people want to see the weird shit it's like okay yeah I mean Neil Breen movies can fill cinemas but the way the fucking world is going after it's complicated for general audiences but it's what these movies do with those expectations Bo was afraid to flop miserably I think it didn't I also heard that wasn't very good either yeah I haven't seen anything to do with I've only seen like that was a big ol' risk that one when I saw Bo as afraid for instance I thought that movie was so weird and I respected the hell out of it it was so well made boring tell me how you give me a thought try to be a human for five fucking seconds it was just so you know it was such a movie you know it definitely was a film that it sure do yep I he had notes for this video and I still don't know what the point of this video is well it's in the title the future of film why I'm worried there you go I feel like it's therapist did I get it not really did I need to understand why didn't you watch it five times like playrunner to get it so that you could understand it so that you have the right opinion on it yeah you should check on IMDB forget it did that scare me no it fucking is wrong who's asking these questions did you get scared because you didn't understand I remember when I watched a movie once got out of the cinema and was just terrified didn't understand and I was like I don't know what I'm gonna do now and yet tons of people skipped out on that movie because they were like I don't want to do the work of figuring that out what holy moly how do you know that wait I don't know that I take that much issue with someone saying I don't want to watch a wacky artsy film I want to watch the guy shoot a bunch of bad guys and save somewhere I'll save you time it's an allegory for depression there you go now you don't have to watch the movie I don't blame anybody that point doesn't hold for like inception for example which did incredibly well despite you know being not the easiest thing in the world to untangle and yet that didn't really seem to put off a large number of people not that everybody did put in the effort to work it out but everyone's a while when we want to watch a movie we will be like in a state of not looking for something heavy I prefer to watch something that's a little more straightforward you know and that's totally normal and fine the idea that someone said I don't want to see Bow is afraid because as far as I know it's a wacky abstract movie about things that don't really line up will make sense with a lot of interpretation and it's like really long I'm really not looking for that and I really do so I could picture someone saying that and that's totally fine the idea that he's like disdain full of a pit I feel like he forgets his claimed principles regularly it was weird because when we watched the movie a few nights ago it was between something and corpse pride and I was like I just I just want to see corpse pride I don't want to see this other one because I just kind of want to watch it just kind of chill right now and just watch a like a little you know fun claymation animated movie so I just I want to yeah I just want to enjoy myself I don't want to chill like not every because I just don't want to watch Saving Private Ryan right now I just yeah it smells if you were like I'm a little bit sleepy it's like we could either watch this hour and a half film or fucking lord the rings you're like I don't know but it's a bit the hour and a half one it's like wow you don't watch things now there's all kinds of reasons I have to stay up and watch the whole thing now I can't do that I got things to do to watch one of them are you crazy yeah be rude I don't know that movie because they were like I don't want to do the work of figuring that out and that really bothers me because a lot of us do this what I'm doing right now okay why does it bother you if somebody else doesn't want to watch a movie that's like I can't believe you're saying this I feel like I'm supposed to be more picky it's super complicated film I've hit a friend there's loads of sub tags rewatching it there's three different timelines like I'm just not I don't want to watch a movie like that alright fine you can't blame them sometimes it's just like yeah sometimes I just want to listen to a nice chill sometimes it this happens with games all the time maybe not all the time do I want to sit down and play a super intense in-depth thing I just want to have a chill experience so we just pointed it out he didn't do it for the marvels he didn't he said he didn't know what the marvels was about and he was just like oh damn man that really bothers me actually I guess I guess the up he has on the other guys that he still went and saw the marvels even though he didn't get it it must have to be like his friend though because his friend comes around and says so I'm feeling really kind of down and depressed and miserable and I just want to be cheered up and he says well I'm going to judge you if you don't want to watch Schindler's list with me right now oh god watch Schindler's list and you will enjoy it otherwise you're not my friend anymore in the mood well because by the way I haven't seen Bo's afraid and I don't know that I want to with how it's been described I don't care nobody I know has recommended it and from what I know it's a long laborious sort of difficult to decipher film and I'm just like okay I could spend that time watching something else yeah I just doesn't that doesn't sound like the kind of movie that I am interested in or really want to watch you know maybe every once in a while if I hear like that kind of movie if everyone says you're really good and you need to see it that's one thing but I just I don't like taking chances with A24 I will say this is the most interesting he's ever been to me the fact that he's like someone said they didn't want to watch Bo's afraid and fucking hate that shit it's like oh shit okay more of this more of your character emotion a bit of humanity shining through in front of our cameras we make a youtube video or we write articles or we blog we write for a paper whatever are you showing are you showing that's just a current movie as the footage took the footage from it I don't know it's weird it's just it's what you do it's the it's like the AI generated wake people up if they're fully asleep like oh Marvel's who and we ask Hollywood to not do what the MCU is currently doing we say please stop doing that please like okay make more original making shit making shit what did he phrase it as be better make more shit better you gotta do better Disney you gotta do better stuckman hold on I don't understand any of that okay wait I'm rolling back I'm lost no they didn't just want something original and new they wanted something good it can't just be different it has to be good as well hold on I don't understand any of that that was weird why did you watch that why was there a big old penis in the attic Beau is afraid is a big example for me it did not do well at the box office as I predicted in my review as everybody would have predicted if you found out what this film was and how much it fucking costs it's obvious it was not going to be able to make the buddy back and just recently a 24 announced that they would try to start making some slightly mainstream stuff along with some of their more ground brown numbers now crazy no it's an interesting development that they would acknowledge that they need to make slightly more crowd friendly money exactly you mean like how it's always worked so it turns out you need money to make things that cost money if you want to make things that niche audiences enjoy you have to make stuff bigger audiences enjoy first every major film studio basically has some art house wing it's searched like you know it's a fox that where it's like yeah we'll make the big movies and then we've got the small movies that we can finance with the money we make from the big movies it's just normal happening for decades great because we didn't pay for it you know I mean you got Martin Scorsese we did people to watch this movie this fucking legend sitting with a guy make a point I beg you please you keep talking about it's just gonna it's just gonna be Scorsese said you go watch it and you didn't know what he did yeah you didn't trust cinema in the form of a man yeah cinema's kill fuck oh my god guy who's made three movies and he got walking phoenix coming off of his academy award win for the Joker which is one of the most iconic characters ever it just seems like it should thank you for telling me yeah doesn't mean it's gonna be a banger automatically oh my god this is the world we live in man people it's not it's not afraid to be what the fuck you said people wanted original things yeah but they're afraid to be challenged okay that is so not the problem at all not even close afraid to be challenged boom it's such a stupid conclusion why would you even come to that I've seen movies you idiots people are afraid to be challenged unlike me I am a filthman I at my level then cinema wouldn't be dying and you'd all realize how amazing these movies actually were yeah it's just filmbo was afraid that I admitted I didn't even understand he didn't understand at least he wasn't afraid he wasn't afraid yeah that's the important part he wasn't afraid he took it chin up and he just went for it and that's the problem with you chat you're all afraid to be challenged yeah chat what the fuck chat you're you gotta do better pussies you're the reason that cinema is still you killed him he's bleeding he's coughing up blood of course cinema and people are afraid to be challenged we want easy we want simple dude you like how he just randomly pulls out some of the most insulting shit just random you know what your problem is audience he's such a good filmman I won't show him film makers anymore all the happily shit on the audience you plebs you fools you don't want to be challenged you want to clap like seals you want to I love you there's like a fucking movie where a guy is like I love family and then it starts raining and he's like I need umbrella and then gets it it's the credits and we're like man that was a great movie really related with honky he needed to protect that family then Chris is like shouting he's like you won't be challenged look at you you made a whole video about how to save cinema and it turns out his tactic is shame that's what he thinks the films we don't watch are already trying to shame us we've been inoculated against this Chris it turns out you can't actually shame people into going to watch movies we talk about all those different things people think the problem is Chris stuck by the things that everyone's too scared to watch movies they don't understand that's why they didn't go watch the marvel it was a very challenging movie that was a tough one well Chris didn't know what it was about even the films don't even know what's going on even the champion of cinema Montesco says he went and saw it and he didn't know what was going on either he was like wow now that is cinema and you don't know what's happening maybe he didn't wear a seatbelt someone just highlighted like everything ever all at once no one's going to call that a fucking simple movie no that would be what you would point to in terms of a kind of surprise success of being a very complex weird kind of movie I guess people got over this their fear of challenge with that one lucky maybe it's got nothing to do with that at all how dare you we want easy we want simple we want to be able to look up the movie it feels like he said what we said earlier but in a way worse way we want to have some kind of consistency story lines that cover a lot of the same drama that you've seen before but at least in ways that have a bit of spice to it mix up or a sub version here and then his version is like you want simple, you won't be challenge you're afraid he's modelizing like an art related villain and that's why I destroyed all the directors in the world that's why I killed them all because they wouldn't challenge you this is actually reminding me He's a scored artist who then decides to become an art based super villain. El Cinemarro. I can't remember what his name was. Well, he was French. The guy, but I can't remember his name. Someone in chat might remember. Cinemarro Beto? Light two. Oh, what was his name? Like a team up. Oh, you make tree. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Have it explain to us instantly the friend. I used to make explain videos.  I stopped. There didn't used to be a thou. Wait, what? He used to make explain videos and he stopped. I know why. What does that even mean? I don't know.  I love the idea of them. They can be helpful, but man, the amount of explain videos I've watched that take the first 99% of the video to just recap events. That drives me now. This is what happened, but they don't explain anything. They just describe the events.  Like, where was the insight? You just told me that you just maybe watched it. And then you realize, oh, I saw the thing. That's the actual industry for that on YouTube. It is the it replaces the film for a lot of people. They just watched the summaries of the plot events and that's that. That's like a whole thing. I don't know if you guys have seen channels with all the title will be the sort of horror premise or the drama premise of the film. And then the video is just with clips, just doing the it's like the. Oh, yeah, that's that. That's a thing that's prevalent for some reason. I hate it. It bothers me. It does bother me. And to have it explained to us instantly. I used to make explained videos. I stopped because it didn't used to be a thousand explained videos on the end. You pioneered the format. Did you? What is it? But why did he stop? Tell me? Tell me why. Like I was one of the few people who did it back.  So when you were the few people that did it was successful, but then other people came along, did it better than you? And you stopped because everyone's just a cheap imitation of this. So true. To me, he's a cheap imitation of nostalgia critic. That's the real king. That's true. And I have way more respect for nostalgia critic than Chris Duckman. Dangerously translating into us just being afraid to watch. Dangerously. Please stop saying we're afraid. Please. I beg you. We are. We are. We are. We are. I'm going to throw up here in a second.  You're like, no.    Why are you scared? You don't kind of food your groceries anymore. Coward. Thinking to us just being afraid to watch anything that might. This is just a pin-dome video that we're not instantly aware of that we have to really think about a little. Yeah, that's what it is. I hope that we can find a place for this. I think the next time a friend is going to ask me to go to a movie, I'm just going to like, no, I'm scared. I don't want to. How can you possibly reconcile this? Don't challenge me. I'm afraid to challenge me. How can you possibly reconcile this alongside the full of the MCU? Like, is he actually arguing that the reason the MCU is dying is because it's too experimental? No, the problem is that he's got, it has been pointed out many times. There was no coherency to this script. This is just a bunch of disparate thoughts about the state of the industry that fundamentally are contradictory in certain ways that haven't been reconciled. It's just, here's a thought, here's a thought, here's a thought, latching onto each of them with no clear idea of where he's heading. Because, yeah, how do you square away that Marvel movies are failing is the notion that those films are not challenging for the most part. Anyway, this runs contrary to what he's saying here, but he doesn't seem to realize that probably because, again, it's like, yeah, I'm just latching onto these thoughts. They're all over the place. Yep. Okay, video done. Cool. Ship it. Yep. Oh, good. My work here is done. And he makes it sound like if only they would watch them, right? Like, if only they would watch.  Meanwhile, people did check out everything ever all at once. They did recommend it. Incredible blood and mouth. Yeah. And then it would be good. And then it was massive success. But I guess last wish is just not challenging and that's why. Oh, well, yeah, I mean, that's a good example to point to.  That's a family film.   It's an excellent movie. Mm-hmm. One of my favorite. I mean, it's that mortality in a film that's going to be watched by kids. Oh, that's what a great movie. That's a really challenging movie. Yeah. Of stuff. And no, I do not think it's just dumping them on streaming. But I am very you. You were the one that you brought that up. It was you. You wasn't either one that said that that was part of the problem, whatever. Yeah. Curious to hear your guys' thoughts on all of this. I don't. You're not going to give me your thoughts. You're not going to give me your thoughts. You don't. Hey, you don't. You come on. I do really love this art form. And I love. Yes, you need to keep. You said that so many times. He has to keep. I trust you. I trust you. Sort of. Please. I try to see everything. There are so many movies. I try to see everything. But you can't because there's too much mobile content now.  Damn it. The release one episode a week. It's just up ghost in the shell this week. It was re-released in theaters. And I got to see that in the theater, which is why don't you. Why don't you talk about that? Did it sound like he said that I don't get the time free. He's too busy talking about how cinema is kill. Wait, what is he reviewing though? What are the movies that he's typically reviewing at the moment? Because I'm going to go ahead and guess that they're all recent releases for the most part. Oh, no, there's a couple of old ones. E.T. and Silence of the Lands. Okay. Oh, okay. Yeah, but how long are those? Like, how much are they going to do to actually convince me to go watch them? The E.T. one is 17 minutes. But Silence of the Lands. Man, talking about Silence of the Lands in only seven minutes and 33 seconds. His Hill House review was five minutes. That's true. It's a season. His Hill House review was only seven minutes. He could talk about it. I thought he loves those planning and things. Yeah, but he hasn't got much to say about them though. How do you can, how do you only talk?  It's okay if you say a lot, but like a huge portion of his review will be, you know, like, because a review begins with, oh, this is a film and it was directed by this person and written by this person starring in this class. Like, yep, cool, cool. Let's keep going. Let's keep going. But no, it's just, you know. Meg Ryan's directorial movie with David DeCovne. What Happens Later. I went and saw that anime film. Everything that happened is like a goodbyes. I went and saw Anatomy of a Fall. What does this have to do with anything? Yeah, like, what is he having to do with the broad point though? He's doing his part. He's doing his part. He's setting an example to all of us to follow. He goes, he's not afraid. But that hasn't addressed all the points he's way of living. That has no sort of points that he brought up. No, this is good for building credibility because, look, I watched some animes. I watched a film you haven't heard of. I, oh God, rated R, too. What I'm trying to highlight here is that he brought up loads of reasons for why people aren't doing this. And then he's like, but I'm doing it. Like, that doesn't change anything. Yeah, but this is your life. This is your job. And that's the other problem with this is that, like, he's a very unique individual, uniquely poised to do this, uniquely invested, has all the, you know, he's developing connections. He has all the awareness. He knows who to look to for recommendations for information about releases. You're a very, very, you know, minor fraction of a, minor fraction of a, minor fraction of a people that can even do this with ease. It'll be like, why does anybody, why do people not get into like fine dining? Like, it's easy. You just need to get a couple of books, tools and, you know, kitchen stuff. Why don't people just get into white water rafting, you know? Like, just get out there. Yeah, it's like an hour per day if you get it right. Like, it's just like, why are people into running a marathon every weekend? You know, like, it's really easy. You're around the place. Yeah. People have different interests. Not everybody is that interested. It's like, yeah, but cinema is going to die if you don't do this. And you're like, all right. All right. That would be bad. I guess that's the thing you have to imagine.  They're like, oh. And then they might say like, well, I'd like them to stay open for the people who want them. It's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if cinemas die, which they won't, because people will always want movies. Movies will just be a thing people want. And if it has to downsize a little bit before it comes back or who knows? I mean, maybe if a lot of people don't want it, maybe it just isn't that big of a thing. I saw a next goal wins. I saw the Marsh kids. Good for you, man. Nobody else did. Oh, what does that mean? Were they afraid again? Probably. Are they afraid like Boas? Do they too afraid to see Boas afraid? Oh my God. I guess at the end of the day, I just wanted to make sure that I said something about all this. You didn't say anything, except that the audience is too scared, which is a really weird takeaway things. Because I really have a bad feeling. It's a bad omen. Don't you get it? I've got to tell you it's so ironic because we come away more hopeful with the box office stuff. I'm way more hopeful. Yeah. The Marvel was failing. That's like all the hero films. Let him burn. Let it burn to the ground and let something rise from the ashes. Exactly. Like a Phoenix. But not Dark Phoenix. Like a better movie than that. Something. Anything. The glorious Phoenix rising from the ashes. For this art form that I love, I've just finally made my first movie and it is a real goal of mine to make original movies. There's just so many topics that all relate to one central thing, which is a fear of the future for the... Braggs, I wouldn't know because I'd be too afraid to watch his movie. You don't want to be challenged. I understand. No. No. This is just a pre-emptive blaming of the audience for the fact that no one will go and see his film. But at least now he's established that it's our fault we're not going to see his film and not his.  You know what I mean? Like nobody's... We threw out so many disparate arguments that you got to latch onto one of them, right? There'll be one of them that you probably agree with. Well, the crazy thing is I think that's the whole video. I heard about this video thanks to it trending.   Just kind of ramble on and say some words and then everyone does the work in their own heads and then they walk away and say, yeah, the thing that I thought about is definitely the thing that I watched. Art form. And I'm worried about movie theaters. I'm worried about physical media. I'm concerned about movies and TV shows disappearing off of streaming platforms. Yeah, you said all that. You just worried about really things. You didn't really sew it into some kind of point though.  Well, this just seemed virtue signaling.  I'm so worried for everybody. If only we could get together and save them. It's like, well, you're just like the parity in our business. And taking a very, very one-sided and narrow view of every event that he's gone through, it's like there's art that's been taken away from people to be able to see. Like, oh, bad. There's physical media that used to be there and it's no longer there. Yeah, bad. This theater that used to be there and are no longer there. Yeah, that's bad. These are bad omens. You're like, do you want to go into depth on any of these things? You want to see if they connect at all? Do you think there's a common cause or solution? Are they symptoms or are they cold problems? Anything? And he's just like, bad. Bad omens. Bad feelings. Studios, gratefully, just one studio, WB, that is just straight up erasing movies before they're even released and they're done already and everyone worked on them. And it's, do you see how he describes all of it? Like, there's no reason to do it. Yeah, obviously they had a reason. That's what I mean. Talk about it. Talk about it, Chris. Make a video about it. Well, you can't because the way he's pitching it is, isn't it horrible because all these people worked on it and he doesn't want to say that all those people worked on it and it's trash and it's their fault. So he's trying to blame it on someone else, but there's no way he can physically bad mouth the people that made the movie because he just thinks effort equals good. Just insane. It's the most insane.  Outside of Harvey Weinstein. And I just can't. Why'd you laugh? I don't know. I'm also just struggling with the analogy there. Harvey Weinstein, two people don't watch bad films. Well, it does feel real. The number one worst thing in the industry is a man who uses power to like, you know, do all the things that he did. Second worst is when they delete films that are created. It is like that. Oh, yeah.  What if they're deleting his films?  Anyway, guys, I would love to hear your thoughts on the state of the industry. Okay, I'm sure you were. He already said that before. He kind of did it. You would love to hear them so you can see which ones he wants to keep for himself. Martin Scorsese, movie theaters, all of it. I'm very fascinated by this topic, physical media. You don't have any opinions by this topic. I don't know.  Well, I mean, it's just not a great long term. You need to make money. What are you going to do about it? You know, that's like what it comes down to at the end of the day. Like, what are you going to do about it?  Is that your strategy to get them to watch? You've got to make money. You've got to make money. You have to deal with the landscape that you're in. Or if you're comfortable losing money, that's totally fine as well. Like, if you've got money to burn. Cad. But, well, I mean, a little bit, right, if you decided to find a film and you didn't care. Well, you know. This is the movie I want to make, damn it. Exactly. I want to make it. I'm going to spend all my money. Don't care how much money it makes. It's like, oh, that's pretty cool. When you're using someone else's money, they might have an opinion on how the money is spent. Yeah, yeah. It's not your money. The studio meddling where that guy comes in and says, I want an explosion in this scene. That's what people are.  It's like, well, why do you think that even happens? It's that guy's money. He was so impatient for all of it.  It's their obligation. They have to. That's their job. Like, these companies are owned by people who want to get a return on investment. And these people need to make decisions that they think are going to make money. And hopefully, in an ideal world, the art can thrive while the commerce can thrive. But obviously, there's going to be friction. Yeah, because if you don't want to be beholden to shareholders, then don't become a publicly traded company. Yeah, stay private. Don't take their money if you don't want to be beholden to them. If you take their money, then you will be.  They've been so bad. What else we got? And it's like, the Meg 4. You're like, maybe, you know, it's a shock movie. It'll be dumb. What else we got? Extraction 7. And you're like, well, I've enjoyed some of it.  I think I'll just stay home this time. And then Chris took a boost in the room.   You won't go to the cinema.  You're scared. You're scared of the Meg 7.  And then you go and you watch the Meg 7. And then he's like, what do you think?  Oh, my God. I guess it's really bad. And he goes like, hey, you can't say that. He worked really hard on that. Yeah, that's negative. I don't know what's interesting in this whole discussion when in the video game world, obviously, there's plenty to be made of all of these battle parts sort of microtransaction laden games. But there is definitely a growing and thriving middle market, as well as obviously the indie scene. If it was like, there's a bit more of a balance there compared to the film industry at the moment. I guess it's interesting because it's like, that's just sort of emerging naturally, partly because of steam and stuff like that, making it easier for these things to happen. It's almost like he's looking at where we're at now and forming a very big conclusion about what that means when it's just like, yeah, but I mean, this could just be short-term fluctuations. Like, who knows? Calm down. Just wait and see. If I'm right. Maybe this is just boom bust or something. And it's like boom bust, but we'll eventually recover and it'll look different. Kind of a glass half full kind of guy.  I'm an optimist, but everyone is afraid of film. A 20 minute video about how he's worried and panicking that everything's going to die. He's like, but I'm an optimist. You should see the other guy.  Right. I don't think he knows. I was going to go to like the nature of his writing and I was like, you know what? There's no need to do that. Yeah, but I mean it's the fact that he has to keep saying I love movies when it should already be apparent just through the way it feels insecure, doesn't it? Yeah, of course. Why do you need to remind people? Like, I mean, in case you didn't know, guys, we really like movies here on EFAP. We also like video games. We like music, we like TV shows, like books. I like storytelling. Make sure to mention that half an hour from now. Okay. No, that's right. You need to keep reminding you because it wasn't apparent in the way that we talk about these things. Then, you know, it's just making sure that you know. Good move. Things happening right now that really scared me. I'll set a timer. Why do you say that to these old snapped neck, bro? No one would write that if they didn't have to. I wish he got a chance to write that and put it into the movie. That single line, that single line could have saved cinema. Yeah. I remember other great lines too. Did you think like a pair of glasses could fool the world's greatest detective? Because Batman would definitely refer to himself as the world's greatest detective. He would, yeah, easily. And if I can ever be in a position in my life where I can impact this industry for the positive, I'm going to try my damnedest. Yeah, cool. Why? What's the point of this thing? What's the point of that? I'm gonna drag this industry down. You could be doing so much more. What do you choose to do? Make a rambly video for 20 minutes. This main point that came through is that you, audience member, are too afraid to get out there and support theaters by seeing films that scare you. Okay, that helps. Thanks, bro. Guys, thank you so much as always for watching. Look forward to more videos. Say get stuckmanized. Just very soon if you like. Say it. You can go through if you're happy with this video, Chris. Yes. Yeah, he's got it. We can do it. That's it, that's it. It was all worth it in the end. Oh, there it is. There it is. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. That was a bad video. That was a really empty video. That's a shame. Thank God we were here to say something because, oof, that was rough. Barely anything was said. Why? How? Why? Where? It was 20 minutes. He had 20 minutes to talk under and uninterrupted and he barely said anything.   I only learned that I'm scared of movies. So scared, so very scared. Shame me, Chris, do it. Oh, he has to do it. I'm like, no. No. Oh, shame me for being, I don't want to be challenged. Especially when he went, yeah, you're all cowards. You won't see original movies. And then 30 seconds later, because I'm making an original movie. It's like, oh, yeah. That's why. There it is. There it is. Insecure about what he's making. So yeah, pretty good video. Oh my God, this is crazy. This is a top comment that says, we don't just want weird, we want good stories. Oh, yes, bro. Get in there. Thanks. Looking at that icon he's using for his channel, that's a, it's changed. He's changed.  No, not really. Still kind of dead-eyed in that one too. Yeah, he's still kind of dead-eyed, but he's definitely, he looks different. He looks different. I just wish that he could ever have explained. I can't think of anything else. We've covered him a couple of times, where it's just like, he was just there early, wasn't he? That was it. He was an earlier adopter of the vlogging format for film review, because I've always just been blown away that I've never heard anything from him about a film that couldn't have been garnered possibly from the synopsis. I have heard more insightful commentary from Wings of Redemption. You know, right? I was about to say the classic. That's not a very high bar, but you know what? That's a mid-bar. That's a bar that's not the easiest thing to clear ever, because he said something on that little cow live that was- That's right. That's right. That was super interesting. The thing is, is, it's just, I don't know that, I don't, how often are you going to be surprised by a perspective that Chris Stockman offers where you'd be like, God damn, I never thought about it that way. How often does that happen? For someone who says that they are so invested in art and creation and originality and filmmaking and being challenged, he's the most bog-standard, boring person you could just kind of imagine. He never says anything insightful or interesting. It's just, he moves his mouth and noise happens, but why pay attention? Why listen? You're not going to listen.  It was developed by Sledgehammer Games and published by Activision. It's the 19th installment in the Call of Duty franchise. You sound a little bit too likely. And it's available on PlayStation 5 and Xbox, and PlayStation 5 and Xbox One X, wait, Xbox Series X. The Killer and PC. Directed by David Fincher. David Fincher. Man, he said so little about the killer. That was so lame. Who is famous for having created other very memorable films. Want to punch you? Stop it. Like Fight Club? Stop it. No. Several others. Movie, Chad. Stop it. Yeah, like, I recommend it. We'll see you next time. Get this.  It just keeps coming. He can't help himself, you know, just talking about all the fricassee film making process and how much he respects it and admires it. Or, you know, alternatively, when it really annoys him in a film like how Pauli the script is derived rather. Yeah, when he turns on the camera, he's like, God, I got so many thoughts. I've got, I've got to say who directed it, who wrote it, and whether or not I liked it.  Not a half-knot, I got it done. Yeah, I got to be quick. Geez. Can't tell people they're afraid.  Also, people say the next video, we're actually probably going to end there because that went a lot longer than I expected it to. There was a second video, just going to be moved into a different one now. Don't you worry. Don't panic. But a short man, bad. Four hours. Also, you got other stuff. That's pretty short. Releasing, okay? You guys will be fine. You'll make it. Look at them being all angry and booing. Yeah. You're all just afraid. That's what it is. I'm afraid to be alone. I'm afraid to be challenged by the shorts. I'm afraid to be challenged to be challenged by your own thoughts. All right? Yeah. But before we go. Harry was here. That was fun. Yeah. He was unable to come back. I figured people figured that out. That's not the make. But before we head out, why don't we, Mr. Disparu, why don't you tell people what you're up to and where they can find you? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think my next video is probably going to be about the actors' strike as details are merged. They keep leaking details of the contractor that they still haven't signed for some reason. Everyone should know it would have been over by now. It's like, yeah. There's clearly some resistance that some people don't like it. So, let's see that. Last video was madameweb and the disaster of that. Which you did. You finished. You've completed coverage of Robin Hood, right? Oh, yes. The glory of Robin Hood were just out of nowhere. They get locked in cages and then a pink bunny rabbit walks in with an electric cattle prod to assault them. That sounds great. That's the reason whatsoever. I need to watch your guys' coverage on that. That sounds like a hoot. It is a little bit, yeah. If you only watch one, watch episode seven. It is the most deranged episode of TV I've ever seen. Out of nowhere. Oh, it was bizarre. But, yeah. If you like trash television, go through it. I'm presumably being inspired after today's episode. You're going to start at the end of your video saying get disbarized, right? Disbarized. No, I'm going to start insulting my own viewers. They're like, you're just scared. You won't watch the next one. I dare you. You don't subscribe 40% of the audience. This is a subscribe for your cowards. Cowards is what you are. It's like the fun in your peasants. That kind of stopped. People don't do that anymore, I think. I haven't seen that in a while. I wouldn't be surprised with that. Because every body did it. That, like, one person started it and then it was on every single channel, people pointing out their own analytics. I feel like that's going to be the meme for a while now. People are going to combine the Only Join My Life meme with the You Too Afraid meme somehow. We'll see what comes out of it. Little Pitu, they don't know the meme. You are just genuinely insulting. Little Pitu, what are you up to? What's happening? Yeah, I was one of the very, very many people who was terrified of the marvels, but one of the only people who actually saw the marvels to be terrified by it. So the marvels is hopefully next weekend, but I caught the flu immediately after seeing it. So the script got longer, but I couldn't record anything. But it's now mostly recorded. So next weekend, the marvels, hopefully. Sweet. And what have you got now that would satiate an audience? Now? I don't even know what the last video I did was. Ahsoka, I think. Ahsoka, like, midway through reviewing that. But much like the show itself, my review videos on that are pretty much bombed, so I don't even know what I'm going to do with those ones. But they're fairly good fun. If you've got like an hour-free going, or four hours more like, but you know, if you've got four hours free, go watch those. Hell yeah. You guys love Ahsoka, right? You've had a chat? Yeah, I think it's really, I think it's really good. I think they were 50-50, but once the zombie stormtroopers came into it, they were like, oh, this is me. I can see me in this. Yes. There are people out there. That was the breaking point. Those are odd people. That's the breaking point. That's where they went too far, man. Because they're afraid. Rex, they're afraid. They were afraid. They were too cowardly. I didn't want to be challenged by them. Shit. Um, Metal, what about you? What are you up to? Nothing really new. I've been playing Blasphemous 2 on stream and just being out with the cold mostly. So I don't really have anything new to report. Go watch that Marvel's rant I uploaded from my stream. That was kind of fun. That's about it. Just, I'm not just working away. Blasphemous 2 good? Yeah, really good. I've been enjoying it. Sweet. It's good stuff. Pretty decent bosses. So I think I'm going to finish that tomorrow, actually. I will say, of all the things you could have described them as, you went with really decent. Well, most of them were decent, but they were no bad bosses. That's good. They were like, I think two bosses were pretty good, but there was no boss so far. I was like, oh, that was excellent, but there was one really good one. I guess it would be my thingy. I don't know. So if you describe something as mediocre, that's like five out of 10, I suppose, maybe, if you know that sort of thing. If you describe something as really mediocre. Really mediocre. Does that make it go to a six or a four? In my head that makes good down. Or does it just go up or down? Okay. So when you say really decent, does that mean it's better than decent or it's worse than decent? If it's really decent. I just said worse. I didn't think about that. Wait, I think it's about tone. Really good means it's up. If I say really good, that's better than just good, but if I say really mediocre, that absolutely implies a downward. And the same with really bad is worse than just bad. The typical way you'd express it would be like, it's really mediocre. You wouldn't expect someone to say, it's really mediocre. Yeah, it's really mid. Go check it out. This is so shockingly average. Really emphasizes the true nature of the thing that it proceeds. Really good is like it emphasizes the goodness. Really mediocre emphasizes. And mediocre just feels like okay, in my mind is better than mediocre. Okay is like skews a little bit positively. Yeah, I think okay is. Yeah, I think it's okay, you know? I agree. Metal is okay. Thanks. I do think that tone is very important with okay.  Like it's okay. That's okay. That's okay. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. Anyway, you see we're learning. Yeah, we're learning. Yeah, that's what I'm up to. Griggy, what about you guys? Yo, I don't want to say anything at the moment. All right, well, I'm just... Do you know the deal? It's back to the dungeon I go. It's the same deal for me, except the, of course, obligatory mention of a certain highlights channel that if you guys aren't aware of, we're on the cusp of being able to monetize it. That's true. Yeah. Ooh. Check it out. Have a little look. See there's some stuff in here that you cannot find on the Moorla or Moorla channel. Oh my god.  He appreciates suggestions in the comments for what things you'd like to see elsewise as the years go on. I'm sure it'll be filled with every highlight you could possibly imagine. Filled with come highlight. 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