Welcome back to another product review and today I'm going to take a look at how to think when you draw with Lorenzo Volume 3. That's right Volume 3 because there was a Volume 1 and there's also Volume 2 and you can get these only through Kickstarter and as it says here don't miss out on future volumes mail add me Lorenzo to Etherington Brothers at yahoo.co.uk and that's how you get those books through Kickstarter so let's put these away and concentrate on Volume 3 and if you watched a page through of my previous reviews you know how this works but before we do if you're new to this hi my name is JD and on this channel I do product reviews like these I do animation analysis clips I do acting analysis clips lectures about all things animation animation news reviews many many things feel free to browse around the channel if it's something that you like feel free to subscribe if that is something you want to do so as always this is the book front and back the spine that is the size of the book all right empty page let's get in there he got title volume 3 it's all in the same vein you got character design animals and monsters vehicles and machines elements layout and composition natural world and world building and introduction the format is the same and by the same I mean awesomeness so now you get into eyebrows and you do need eyebrows and animations already right up the bat that chapter fantastic glasses and goggles and again it shows you different ways different angles it's a lot about drawing but again it's in terms of how you use these in animation different sizes how they will shape the face how they will make things look different very helpful in terms of posing even it has muscle structures and how things will affect your posing curly hair if you modify your characters that's always good reference for hair head shapes always good to know for different tweaks and mods to your rigs if you can scale or modify your rigs like that examples as always as you go through the chapters they give you an example page flower and crowns that's definitely very specific I'll curious if you have that in your animation arms again structures where the fold is more arms buckles buttons and zips it gets very detailed with clothing details shirts good for folds shout out to Josh Sobel and his simulation course so check that one out and look at these good reference if you want to tweak some of your folds in your simulation pattern clothing and walks doesn't get more animation than walks goes through walks and poses in between it's just the general attitude then we get into the expansion pack as always the reference good for posing line of action the opposites very cool I love this page flying and levitating there's always going to be a superhero shot you're going to animate dancing there's a lot of dancing in animation that is good as well crowds it's a lot of working animation but it's cool this shows you the compositional balancing act so you can see some details in terms of staging how to present it chapter two animals and monsters eggs the most frightening of all monsters bird wings oh look at that that's always very helpful here got your pose references snakes always tricky to animate depending on the rig cat heads oh super cute I just love the different designs as well the different heads just in case you need reference for again modifying or tweaking your rig super cute snouts more snouts come on such appealing designs crabs invisible characters that's funny because I was just watching invisible men which I'm going to do a review about tomorrow and it's open interesting to animate you have liquid on top of something invisible or cloth or anything that will highlight the character that's actually very appropriate right there slime monsters that would be an interesting rig if a rig was like that set up with monster slime chapter three vehicles and machines we got robot hands you're always going to animate robot hands gears cogs and clockwork that's cool propellers muscle cars huge spaceships and oh I love these more designs elements you got clouds cloud reference you got ice that's always good reference when you do a set and you design your set just to see how the offsets are so it's more organic you're not computer-y and twin then it's design and everything I was a big fan of those element pages expansion pack look at that great reference whirlpools motion lines are definitely important for your animation for the energy and how things flow also a good example of this is okay but then this is better screen effects this is for post-processing reference spotlights we're getting into lighting references I'll love all this here chapter five layout and composition one of my favorite chapters okay they're all my favorite chapters one point perspective more examples for one point perspective battle scenes again cool panels for reference how you want to stage things your style as always focusing on what you would do with certain elements here intersecting lines and tangents I don't know how many times I mentioned tangents I'm sure my students are hating me because of that tangents whole chapter about tangents I love it shape meanings oh that's cool too a journey again talk about composition and establishing shots and pathways more pages for a journey how you want to stage your compositional panels more examples very cool foreshortening for more dynamic shots especially important for your drawing tool and composition more reference for tool and composition I love this is such good shorthand and reference for your shop chapter six natural world cacti yes that's right cactus cacti nicely done with the plural more examples of that fields of grass of our detail to get on certain specific topics giant trees that's cool though bones more bones rock textures that's cool water reflections water falls more reference for water falls fantasy maps that's cool detail it goes into fantasy maps asteroids and meteoroids chapter seven world building cakes and desserts all right now I'm hungry oh now I'm really hungry scrolls can't eat those or could you bedsheets more bedsheets wooden planks again I love this I love how it gets progressively worse and how it's deteriorating missing knots talking about the lines and all the details I just love this love this series of books I have to say more wooden planks fences again I love the detail between something like this and that and that it all has a different look different history to it same with this pavement piles of junk detailed interiors and explain the detailed interior design with the two line approach medium detail heavy detail so cool more reference pages for your shot setup skyscrapers more reference and we are at the end with other books that you would like they got the deluxe collection one and two and three little recap of what's in volume one and if you want a page through of that I have that on my channel complete your collection with how to think when you draw volume two which I also have on the channel feel free to go through that as well here's the end with 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Everybody welcome digital asset news. My name is Rob and today I keep getting this recurring question Which is a pretty good question? It's a question I've had for quite some time Which is what can I do if I have any of my crypto or digital assets on a failing centralized exchange? That says Celsius Voyager FTX in our block fight. How does that work with taxes? So we've got that question and some other things we're gonna ask for and we're gonna take a look at that by bringing on David Kemmerer Co-founder of coin ledger David. Thanks for stopping by. Yeah, it's good to be back. Thanks for having me Rob Hope hope all is well in spite of the Crazy markets although we've had a rally in the past week or so. Hey, man, I'll take this raw This is a good rally. I'll take I don't care if it's a bear market or it's the next bull run I have no idea. I'm like will anybody else does but I'll take it So we're gonna start with that question and then also if you could be so kind give us a little walkthrough of coin ledger Because I'm gonna have to use this again. This is my third straight year I've been using it and then also I wanted to talk to you about that portfolio tracker. So let's just jump into it first things first Yeah, so the question we get it a lot too, you know, what what do I do for tax purposes? Can I take a loss if I have crypto locked up now in you know, Voyager Celsius FTX? the bad news is It's kind of a bummer for taxpayers because essentially you can't take a loss until you've really settled up with these Platforms, what do I mean by that? essentially once you definitively get back or don't get back Whatever settlement there there becomes that is the moment when you can take a tax loss So essentially, right? You have if you're in this position you have a claim to You know assets of these companies It's likely that claims gonna be outstanding for a while now Maybe companies like Voyager slightly different, but it's not until that claim gets fulfilled You know is that's the point when you can claim the tax also an example Let's say I have $10,000 of assets locked up in Celsius and let's say that bankruptcy Resolves three years from now and I get $2,000 worth of assets back It's in that year that I can take that $8,000 capital loss because I have officially Realized kind of my loss I've booked that loss. I've settled up with Celsius I've gotten my distribution and that's when I'm gonna file that loss with my taxes if you You know if your claims outstanding that's when it's like well, you can't do it yet Got on that answer Okay, so there's a couple things of that so if it's if it's outstanding so right now it's looking like Voyager is gonna be going to be bought out by Binance once that goes through then of course we settle up and go Okay, it was worth this now. It's worth this. There's a loss and I'm good But as far as like like the outstanding ones because Celsius has taken forever They seem to want to believe that they're going to make this great fantastic company. Good luck And that's gonna take years in the process So not only do we have to deal with the losses there, but we can't even claim the losses on our taxes That's what it sounds like until we actually settle up. Correct. That's right. That's right. Exactly So some of these processes are gonna go faster than others. It sounds like right and voyagers will be able to settle up quicker And you're exactly right and you're so gosh so and then also there's a couple things So like let's say for the Voyager thing it goes through There's two types of losses I want to apply this to one is my income and one is my cap gains now as I understand it Correct me if I'm wrong here. It's only $3,000 per year that I can apply that to so let's just say that I have you know $100,000 on on the platform and then they say okay 50% if 50,000 is what I get back I have a loss of 50,000. I can only apply $3,000 per year to my Income of what I generate from my job my businesses or something else But I can it's an unlimited amount on the cap gains. Correct. Right. This is where You're exactly right, but the US right like to make things complicated.  And so capital losses Can deduct like you said unlimited against other capital gains What are other capital gains selling other cryptocurrencies selling stocks selling real estate, right? If you sold your house all that can deduct So, you know again a good example that I like to use let's say I sold my house that same year and I booked $100,000 of gains that $50,000 cryptocurrency loss that I realized can deduct Fully with that now. I only have $50,000 of taxable gains from selling that house So that reduced my taxable income by a whole bunch, right? Now, let's say you don't have any other forms of capital gains from stocks from real estate that year You'd have what's called a net capital loss for this year of $50,000 $3,000 can deduct against your ordinary income again That's income from w2 stuff like your job Other things and the rest carries forward to future years and will keep deducting Against future capital gains at an unlimited amount until that whole $50,000 capital loss has been kind of used up so again Kind of annoying that you have to keep track of all this stuff But you will be able to use all of that capital loss as long as you know, you keep fairly good records Yeah, which is another reason why I think some of these things need to be pushed along so we can actually, you know Realize those and go for and then real quick just to make sure If we're talking about time frames, there's no time limit. Let's just say in like, you know, 20 years I decided to sell a house. I'm like, oh, I have that $50,000 $45,000 Cap gain loss I can implement so wouldn't really be like there's a time limit for that correct, right? No, just each year you have that carry-forward loss and Depending on what's reported on 89 49 it will deduct Against any gains and so, you know, that's years and years in the future. Correct. You can carry that forward Yeah, and just remember everybody it doesn't matter if if you're trying to take a look at losses when you move your crypto between Crypto wallets that is not a taxable event Just so you know But if you pay for goods and or services and or sell your crypto Then of course it does also if you swap your crypto for something Let's just say you buy Bitcoin at 10,000 because of 20,000 you swap it for USDC as a taxable event But moving it between wallets is not so just remember those things when you're saying I'm gonna make sure that I get these Capital losses make sure you don't you what we're doing here. Okay, David. Thanks for answering that question I know it's not what people want to hear, but it is the truth and we can actually move forward So that would my next one Let's take a look at this coin ledger because I've done a couple videos on it I've showed people but be nice to get the experts to show us how it's all done So real quick just pop in coin ledger and let's take a look at What it is and how easy it is again when I've used it API integration takes me 30 minutes for when I implement Push it all through find out my tax Liabilities and then ship it over to my CPA. So let's take a peek here Yeah, so a real quick overview now We are officially in the US tax season the IRS opened up for business as of today, January 23rd Right coin ledger, you know our team has been building this for now four and a half years It's pretty simple what you're gonna do is all you're gonna do is create a completely free account You're gonna connect up the exchanges and wallets that you've used throughout the years It's super easy. You can integrate them with really the click of a button or let's say you use a wallet like Meta mask You can essentially just copy paste in your public address for that You can't see this part, but you're gonna sync all of that up You can see I've already done that with a bunch of platforms a theory and we support a whole bunch of block chains wall Once you pull in everything the coin ledger we can track The basis and all of your assets right as they move from wallet to wallet So this is where coin ledger shines where something like Coinbase doesn't is because we have your data stitched across all of your platforms So we can actually tell you, you know, what's your basis in this amount of Ethereum on you know When you traded it for this iota on Binance and actually show you your realized gains losses for all of your Transactions across all of your wallets exchanges You know again, this is what the centralized exchanges can't do because they only have the data from their platform All this is fully auditable fully drillable to see exactly how this accounting data is being applied Then you can of course generate and see what your capital gains were this was for 2021 when we were all you know making money 22 probably not quite as good pretty much as flat I think you know it was pretty much just holding but again all this is fully auditable for you as the user You can go and see how your short-term versus long-term capital gains Are being crunched and calculated and then you can download all of the relevant tax forms that you need as a user Really, that's the platform from front to back You know if anyone has any suggestions on what else they'd like to see improve in the platform We're always all years. So hit us up in the comments. We watch that stuff closely Yeah, sure and then yeah again, it's it's a pretty simple simple process also I think there's a there's a one-click button to send your CPA. I know it's there somewhere because I've used it twice Yes, and that makes things a heck of a lot easy and then also just real quick So everybody knows you can get started for free with coin ledger if you don't if you're like I don't really know how this works out. It says it gets started for free There's a link in the description now look coin ledger is a sponsor the channel if you cannot stand using affiliate links It's fine. Just go to coin ledger.io But you're not gonna get that 20% discount But if you just want to start for free to see how it all works and integrate It's right there for you to check out and then I will say when you were going over this This is the the last thing they even will get you out of here is I got a I need pro I have problems with portfolio tracking and I we did a video. It was on Taking profits for dollar cost averaging. There's other programs out there to do it, but they I gotta tell you they suck so Do you guys have anything like that some that's coming down because I think you do and like you to show it now If you could please because I'm tired of using these other ones and just be used to integrate very simply Yes, so you and I were chatting before this call I love hearing the pain points that you have right because then we can craft our products to better serve People like you right and there's a lot of a lot of people like you you have a big audience somewhat But uh, you know definitely tools we're working on I can't say exactly when the stuff is gonna launch But is like pure portfolio tracking straight from your coin ledger dashboard So right now we do this but at a pretty high level We're gonna get way more granular with our portfolio tracking So we're gonna show you know complete breakdowns of all the assets that you currently hold What wallets you hold them in your basis right for all of your assets compared to the current market value Yeah, right me right how much I'm up or down in my hole of my holdings But then we're gonna enable people to drill in right to these holdings to actually see every single tax lot of Bitcoin so for folks like you who have been dollar cost averaging right for potential years They can kind of tweak things around to see you know like you were saying before like okay past 60 days What am I up or down because I was you know dollar cost averaging for again the last 60 days So this stuff is in development right now You know it takes a bit for us because Again, we want to build really good products and have these are experiences be pretty seamless but I'd love to hear people's feedback on What they'd like to see in a portfolio tracking product this will 100% you know guide our Development efforts and you know we take all of that feedback Into account Perfect. Yeah, so everybody watching this video and that'll be it for today is give some feedback on that Would you like to see a portfolio tracker? I know I would but I'm just one person So sound off in the comments section and we'll see and then also if you're looking for that link there's a Link in the description looks just like this and also there's a deep dive video Which I show exactly how to integrate and use it's very simple I mean if I can figure out you can figure out but that's it for today. So look David Thanks so much for stopping by we do appreciate also I think we're gonna do some more of these videos We're gonna get some CPAs on from your that that work with you to answer some of these some people's questions And we're gonna do it live over the next couple of months There's a lot of questions people have with taxes. I think it is better just to get it out the way so Thanks for having me look forward to chatting in I'll talk to you later Rob. All right, buddy. Thanks so much That is it for today. Thanks so much. Bye


The study presents a new deep convolutional neural network method called Detectory 2 that uses airborne RGB imagery to recognize individual tree crowns in tropical forests. The model was trained on manually delineated tree crowns and evaluated with good accuracy, particularly for tall trees. The approach has many potential applications in forest ecology and conservation, including estimating carbon stocks and monitoring forest phenology and restoration. This article was authored by James G. Siebel, Sebastian H.M. Hickman, Tobias D. Jackson and others.


Okay, so if I can welcome everybody to the linguistics department for the fifth week of time and today we are very fortunate to have somebody with expertise that we don't usually find certainly I don't know of anybody else in London who's done the kind of work that Vera is doing and I think some really really interesting perspectives from from the research. So Vera da Silva Sina from the University of East Anglia, Vera is finishing up her PhD research which she's been doing in Brazil. She has extensive fieldwork experience working on indigenous languages from a number of different groups in Brazil including in the Xingu National Park working with the Auechi and others in Amazonia and also amongst groups on the border between Brazil and Peru. So she's going today to tell us about her research project that is involved looking at the expression of temporality and time in several of the languages that she's been working with. Those of you who have done any linguistics will have come across this as being a very famous chestnut particularly in the dimension of the so-called superior wall flight hypothesis and you know warf's claims about temporal expression in our language will be. Those of you in descriptive linguistics that's what we'll be talking about this week right. So Vera's research is going to be really relevant to us. My understanding is that we have a film and then Vera's going to talk to you about the material that's in the film and then what have the usual question and answer period towards the end of it. So over to you. Okay thank you. Thank you Peter for being here one more time and so I think some of you already know my work before but it's not the same video we showed in the last time and this is just a documentary about what is time and culture yeah so let's see if you like and then we can talk about it for a screen yeah. All over the world people think about and talk about time and place events in time. The way this is done is not the same in all cultures. In our culture we are used to thinking in terms of kind is this the same for everyone. I'm going to show you what the world can express in the languages and cultures of three indigenous communities of Brazil. What's not planned then? Time is something that we all experience and mostly we think about it and talk about it in terms of the fast on journey to life but it is really true for all people. That's the question I set out to explore by finding out indigenous cultures of Brazil on the spot going on to talk about life. What is time? Actually nobody knows and scientists disagree to some very basic questions. Does time go direction? Can we say that time exists apart from our experience of it? Do past, present and future exist? Does everything have its time location in space? Well if so many scientists don't know the answers to these questions I won't even try to answer them because my own question is difficult enough. My question is does everyone around the world think and talk about time in the same way? To answer this question I am going to take you on a journey to my home country. Let's look at the way we are accustomed to thinking about time. Let's start by thinking about how we experience events. Every event has a duration, has its own place in a sequence of events. What's more, we can orient ourselves in time just as we orient ourselves in space. So for example, in space I can say that I am in this building and this room. In the same way I can say that I am speaking to them. I did something again tomorrow. I can precisely look at the time of an event and say that my birthday is with us. Also enabling us to measure time intervals, years, months, days, hours, all these ways of thinking about and talking about time are second nature to us. But is this the way that everyone in every culture thinks about time? How time is organized and conceptualized? Let's see who are they and where they live. People living in the tropical forest in the states of Acre and southern Amazonas, close to the Andes on the border of Acre. They speak the hearty language that belongs to the Pan-Bilbustic family, are also known as Cachinaua. The population in Brazil is approximately 12,000, including individuals who are living in the cities, and in Peru is about 2,500. They live in 100 villages in 11 different reservations, distributed across all municipalities. Through them, they show Marçal da Maturum and Santa Rosa, in Paris. The community that we are working with lives in the village of Andeja de Pousa, located at the Poulos River. The population of these villages is approximately 120 people, including adults, keep many aspects of their culture secret, but they are happy to share with us some other aspects, such as how they talk about and understand time. We are especially grateful for the help of Dr. Joaquim Casinalo, the first doctor in universities from the village, who is working with us. Living the Xingu National Indigenous Park in Matugrosa State, Brazil. They speak the Camarilá language, which belongs to the Tupi Guarani family. This is a large family of languages spoken by many indigenous groups in Brazil. The Camarilá total population is 120 people. We are working in a community living in Ipaú Village. In these villages, the population is about 230 people. Camarilá like to share and show their culture, they like to talk and sing about people's truth. As they say, our culture is strong and our culture also living in the Xingu Indigenous Park. The T-language also belongs to the Tupi Guarani family. The total population is about 360 people. They live in three different villages, two place in a village called Saidao Masa, with a population of 72. Two are strong and fighting. Everybody speaks the Amiti language, but many of them speak all the languages too. This is Camarilá, Guarani and Tupi. The population is Guarani with many young adults and children. To live my past behind me in English, the past is always behind me. And the future is located in front of me. Niquin, Camarilá and Aweji cultures, these can be different. For example, in the Niquin culture, the past is inside the heart, very deep inside the heart. And the future is inside the mind. Yes, the future is located inside the mind, not in front of me or behind me. The past is inside my eyes, things that have side the eyes. For the Camarilá and Aweji people, the future is located in front of the eyes. I may be thinking of these things didn't happen, but I can see it. So here we can see how different cultures have different ways of situating events in time. Can be aligned from the future to the past, or from the past to the future. It can be in your vision, in your imagination. Each way has its unique value in representing the diversity of habits, think about and talk about time. To compare event-based time intervals in Camarilá, Aweji and with our own notions, cognitive means and tools are one type. So cognitive artifacts are tools for thinking. In our culture we have numbers, calendars and clocks, which give us concepts like weeks, months and years. However, in Camarilá and Aweji there are no cognitive artifacts like calendars and clocks. So what kind of concepts do they use to think about time? They think about time at the end of events. So what is an event? Is something that happens or takes place? A child is born, an election takes place, an atom moves. With this in mind, let's see how events form the basis of concepts of time in Camarilá, Aweji and with. Their time is based on events and we call this way of organizing time, event-based time intervals. The main feature of event-based time intervals is the intervals is the event itself. In our culture we often use event-based intervals. For example, we might say, I will meet you at lunchtime. Event-based time intervals are the way in which time is thought about in indigenous cultures in Brazil and other parts of the world where people do not use clocks and calendars. So to understand the event-based time intervals in these languages and cultures we will show you how the life stages, the sunlight, the position of the sun, the water level, the stars, constellations, moon activities and anode on the stream are the foundations for concepts of time, Aweji. It is fact that in these cultures they don't have birthdays.  And for them life is a process of learning and acquiring skills and the stages of life are categories of social lives. These stages of life are based on skills and responsibility. Each member of the community will pass through this process and at each stage they will be recognized and respected for their social role in the community. So the position of the sun, the light, the daylight and activities are important facts for the use of event-based intervals. Very early it is getting out, it brings me down.  It's a home, the sun is gone, it disappeared, sunset. The sun is on top of the house, evening, sunset. The location, it is very dark, midnight. Traditionally, Kamayura use not so much strength to measure the duration of a fishing expedition. This was the traditional way to measure time. So when we were camping for the night, we hadn't tied the first knot. On that first day, we don't fish, we just plan the fishing. The next day, the next knot is untied and we begin fishing as planned. That's how it goes, untying a knot every day throughout the fishing trip. In Kamayura and Awaiti, the stars also index time intervals. The activities of planting and harvesting cultivated crops and wild fruits, traditional festivals and fishing are linked to the appearance of nine constellations. These constellations also indicate the period of rain, heavy rain, cold weather, windy period, breeze, drought, sun heat, therefore indicating rain season and dry season. The moon's phases or shapes are indices of the beginning and end of the female menstrual cycle. They are event phase time intervals. We always look out for the moon. When we look at the moon, we already know that we are going to menstruate. Women are always afraid of menstruation. Every woman has her own menstruates on a different day. When the woman does not menstruate at her moon, the woman becomes anxious. She knows that she is pregnant. I always menstruate at my moon, this one. So, I don't know how it works. I just leave that like that. For questions and answers, I want to say thank you for to see it. I really appreciate your comments. First of all, I want to say that we have a crew here. Without the help of the team you see at the end, it was not possible. It's not only my work, it's our work together. Without the team from the field, Wadi, Joaquin and Pautu, this was not possible to have here. Without my supervisors, all the three are here. Luna and Alberto and Christine. The musicians, they compose the music you see at the beginning and at the end. They compose exclusively just for that. In terms of technical, there is a lot of teamwork here. Without them, we couldn't make that as it is now. And also Alfredo, he's not here. He's teaching today, but he's the technician also with me. We went all through how to edit and put together all these ideas. Because you can imagine I had ten hours of footage, plus films and photos and ideas. And we have to put together in a way I can talk to you and you understand what I'm saying. So hopefully we succeed to do that. That's it. You can ask questions for me and for the supervisor team. Questions for Wadi, Joaquin and Pautu. Wadi is in Brasilia and he's there. I can send him a message and he can answer. Yeah, we can talk with him and us if we need it. To be honest, it's mainly largely her work here. She went to all this, we don't have this, I think you showed it earlier to some of these audiences. What kind of means of transport and what she's been through. Getting ill during field work due to black magic and things like that. She survived for this research project. She really had a unique experience herself and collected this massive amount of invaluable data that we otherwise wouldn't know about. The important thing is the way the field work worked out is that Vera lived with these people. They're really not, some of them are reluctant to share or reluctant to other people. Some of them have been better bruised with researchers going into communities and coming up with things for themselves which did not reflect. They were misinterpreted and even Vera's previous work was misinterpreted by journalists who are after sensation. These people know no time. Titles like that which is absolutely funny to all of us here but it's actually quite not nice for people who welcome into their homes and feed you and sleep next to you for days and days. So it's to great credit to Vera to actually succeed in bringing things together, showing things that are similar and different among these cultures. They've shared quite a lot culturally. Some bits are shared linguistically, some are not. But we know about it in her upcoming papers and the thesis is hopefully promised for March. We'll give everyone posted who's interested in the outcome of this really precious and special research. That's for me and Alberto I don't know if you want to say. Yes thank Vera because she's very modest. She's too modest. She's made her work and it has been amazing to work with her. If you're arriving on the plane or the bus or something and someone from the village is going to pick you up. Do you say I'm arriving around sunset? You know what I mean? I know that in the past they talked about it. I'm not quite sure. Basically how did it match up with the Brazilian-European time framework? The two systems coexist. Now I know the culture. I could say I run about the time in terms of cultural events. And as well link that with our time, measured time. Because the difference between one time and another because our system is very precise. It's very measured. Their events is not as precise as we are. Because their event is not the base on the measurement like number, metric, matrix. They are based on the event what they do and that part of the time. The two systems can do together. I can try to do the culture way and ask them to pick me up and hook a hook a time. And they will understand because they know I know. And if it's not precise how do you manage that? Because life, the metric part of our life makes sense in our kind of life we do. When you are in the village these precise numerical moments is not necessary, is it? Except a few of your people in your pictures were wearing watches. Yeah, they do. They wear watches. They have calendars but doesn't mean they... Culturally they use that. They can use the two together. Now at moment is a very popular we call hybrid calendars, right? They get the idea of event base and match together for our months and the year. And they put all together in a beautiful art format and they say that's the only queen calendar, right? So it's beautiful but you can see when you look properly how it's done and you can see very clearly the two systems that coexist together. They know and they are able to understand our way to think about time. They do that. And the village they have that. Talking about measurement and numbers and artefacts, could you say something more about the use of strings or knots in strings to reckon time when they go on fishing expeditions? Yeah. Okay, for example, you could think traditionally when you go to a fishing pond, right? And then how you measure that, how you tell your people and the village when you come back or how long this would take and how is planned. So in our tea they use the knots on the strings. So the person who goes to plan everything they do a knot. And the string. So they are not counting the knots. Each knot represent what most of the day they go to stay. But also the present activity as well. In bed everything and one knot, right? That's why when he say the first day we don't count this and this knot is not important. It's only a mean we arrive. Yeah? But there's no activity linked to the knots symbolically. So on the next day the next knot is untied and then we have done the activity we plan to do. So as understood that knot every night, every day when they finish the activity and go through overnight they untie the knot. That not mean the activity of the day is finished and the next day comes another activity. But then you think oh but they will count days in there. I said yeah but when they count days as a day like task day for the next day. How many days they will count with the number which is the fingers. One finger, two fingers and then one, two and then a hand, right? And then you can see when there's a big number they can go to the fingers the hands and the feet and then when they fit my feet and hand finish they can go off the neighbor. So but the numerical moment of measure these days is by this number. But the activity of the day and the passage of one day overnight to another night is measure of the knot. So and then you can argue oh but this is a cognitive artifact. I think so it is a cognitive artifact not a calendaric or nometrical one in that way because it's not precisely. But there's a mechanism of to measure time. It's very interesting to point out when we mentioned the superior wall of hypothesis in the beginning. So we kind of think about the way to discover what we think about when we think about where we talk about time. So if we say time flies we really think about time that's got wings and flies. Or there's quite a few metaphors that we use to refer to time. So we somehow think of time as a moving thing. Maybe not really flying but there's something is moving and also we can move. We're approaching a bright future or we are moving away from our past. So there's got to be time and motion really relating but this is something that's really interesting. There's nothing like that in those cultures. They don't talk and they don't think about time as something that moves or that you move in it. Or that you are somehow contained in time as we are as we think. So language and culture are really quite closely related. It's a very intimate relationship and we can say that thinking is really flexible. But what is very different and this is something that's quite related to superior wall of hypothesis is that habitual thinking differs. And we can see through language how it does. So they habitually don't have to think about precise time at all. They don't need it and that's what they think about it. But they can if they need to so I think that's the... The interesting thing about this is that it actually argues against the Wolf-Sapir hypothesis. The way in which Wolf-Sapir hypothesis is usually understood and taught and taught indeed. Because these people are not kind of trapped in one particular cultural conceptual system. They are able to adopt another one. But the language is actually a reflection of cultural practices rather than being a determinant of a direct determinant of thinking. I mean it kind of entrenched certain ways of thinking but it doesn't determine it. So you want to talk about habitual thinking. I think that in this relationship, in our relationship with time and do things we precisely overthink about the duration of the event we go to do. So therefore the times come first, right? They kind of measure very big. And this culture is not how long that takes but how you do it, right? So I feel like the time is... Time is this but... And that event is more important what I'm doing, who I'm doing and why I'm doing than measure that in a metric way. It's not what is important. I go to fish. Every night I go to one type of knot. That means I did what I have to do. And then close to my last knot I go to give a sign to the village. I'm back. If for a reason all this knot finish and my family... For another hand in the village. If everybody went to fish and they take so long time the knot is already gone and nobody come back and something going on, right? So all these things, so it's more important why I go to fish and get a lot of fish and bring home than how long I will take to get one fish from the river, right? Or things like that because we do that all the time. So that's why it's very prominent and our language as well in terms of showing that. And I think in this house today they give value more of the relationship what they are doing with their ambient event to think this abstraction measurement of how long that event will take. But in some way they do divide these events. That's why they have the part of the day and otherwise they wouldn't do it, right? Something changes. Yeah. So I finish the perspective of change is very important there because the environment change and how you measure that, right? How you mark that it's not a measurement but how you identify that and then they create that to mark that change but not the duration of that change. Something like that. I don't know. I'm off for discussion. If you can tell something about the stimuli. I think it's very interesting for some of you who are maybe embarking on future research careers or thinking about it at least at this point or some projects that you may do yourself. So the stimuli we use for elicitation and especially those that didn't work. I think it's useful to know about those because we came with our prejudice about oh, let's see, is time a line or a circle? So let's give different stimuli and see how, you know, could be one of those. And it's neither, kind of. We have all these stimuli, beautiful pictures ready and just ready to elicit things. And then there I called from the middle of the field work and said, it's not working. So I think that's an interesting thing to think about how you actually elicit data of influencing people in your perspective that you cannot really shake off easily. So maybe you can tell us about the stimuli that you put in. Because, yeah, it's what the question of your research was, how do people set plus time, right? So the basic line for design anything to verify that is our way to think about time. So we clever sit together and say, well, let's go to put some pictures together. They combine and are always an event. So one action and this is an outhouse, right? One action lets one know that you can do one before and after and all these ideas in there, right? It's perfect for us. I went to the field work and the people looked at this and then start talking about it. And then I didn't take too long to understand they are not talking about the event. They are describing the photo. The photo didn't bring anything, right? So they just go over it. There's a man talking, oh, there's a man job. Yeah, we do have that. That's the color and things like that. And I said, well, but it's not that. And then he said, you know, I know you want to know about our time. Let's go to put that at the end.  So that's what they did. And the whole field work changed completely. And I said, sorry, but this stimuli is not working that way.   And then several ways, several narratives. And give me an example and go around and about. Did you see that? You see, listen, this one is indicate that. And then after a while, you understand what they are talking about. So that was the experience of the stimuli. So that's when they stimuli. You plan some stimuli or some experiment. So let's say you take language and then everything is go negative, right? But then you have to look for the positive way. And I look for the positive way. It really was fantastic to stimuli. People talk about the real things, not what is in there. We had stages of life, like baby, child, grown up, old, death. So we thought, are they going to put it a month after that, which one comes first? Does it come in a circle? You know, just no more reasoning what can be. And none of this works because they do not situate it in anything. These things are not contained. Because the pregnancy of a lady is not like we do, right?  So the notion of what life is, the notion of a human being is different as well, right? And then you give all these nine month things together were so funny. And then they look and say, oh wow, yeah, don't do that. And then they start telling me how the pregnancy and how the conception and how it's done. And the way they see that and why they see that. And it's completely different what we think in terms of a pregnancy and having a baby. So it's a completely different concept, which led to the concept of time too. Yeah. If I can be devil's advocate, I think what you're comparing is pre-industrial situations with post-industrial and literate situations. If you think about, this is separate from language, right?  The calendar so-called was an event-based one. Harvest time, you know, planting time. You have festivals at times like harvest time, not because it's the 5th of January or the 23rd of November. It's because that's when you actually harvest the plants. And the introduction of temporality was as much connected with the church and, you know, knowing when to go through prayers and so on. They're people's daily rhythms of life. So the comparison I'm suggesting is not between English and Awechi, but actually pre-industrial and post-industrial. Yeah. You can have that, but you have to think when, why I came to this idea. Because this idea nowadays and cognition, for example, they have claimed the way we think about time is universal. We always think about time in terms of America and metaphorical from space, from time to space. And all these make a model and everybody say, oh, everybody is, as a human being, we do the same mapping, right? And I say, no, I'm not saying that because we don't. We can't find, I'm not going to the level of compare an industrial, not industrial thing, right? That's not my interest. My interest is to see how these people do in terms of mapping to conceptualize time, in relation to what the way we conceptualize time, because people claim this way we do is universal. Everybody does. And I say, no, it's not. Precisely my point is it's not universal, even for speakers of English, in the sense that it's... Yeah, but they seem to be very strong concept and... It's more like for space time mapping that comes through language. This relates to language as it is English, not just English, any other Indo-European language, has this kind of way of referring to time that became habitual. So Christmas is coming, for example. That is a very common phrase in many languages. Or, you know, difficult times are behind us or he left his past behind. It's the way you talk about time that generates habitual ways of thinking about it or referring to it. So in that sense, the point that Peter has about the industrial, of course, these are societies of the cultural... Yeah, when the clock came in England, the train here was a massive change in terms of behavior and way English community organized themselves. Well, I would say that it's... I think Peter is right in the sense that these metaphors are not necessarily attached to particular linguistic families. So if we look at... We find exactly the same space time mapping in Chinese, for example, as you know. And it's quite ancient as well. But again, Chinese society was a large-scale agricultural society, highly hierarchical. So in fact, I think it's pre-industrial. It goes back to states, basically, when you have states. So even in South America, you know, neighboring cultures, the Incas had the Kipu, which was a kind of a string, you know. But that used counting. And presumably this... And it was used for enumerating production, agricultural production, and sizes of fields and stuff like that. These people don't have it. And I don't think it's because... just because of the language. Because actually, this is something also important, that the three languages that you investigated, two are closely related, but one is completely unrelated. And yet they use exactly the same... actually exactly the same system. Yeah, it's exactly the same system. One is in the Shingu, and then you go up to reduce a huge distance, right? And a complete cultural unrelated, and they do exactly the same. And I investigate in other communities as well, already in Hondonia, which originate in my research. And also that's the same. So it's... but yeah, the pre-industrial and agriculture, and they also play... And this is a culture, is it? Language captures those things that are relevant for the culture, the time, and where the culture is at the moment of time. Language captures that, but by learning the language in the community, you transmit those beliefs, cultural practices, and you kind of continue this kind of way of phrasing things. This is why the habitual thinking is, I think, a central concept, that language perpetuates. You know how you said about the moon phases? And every woman has her own moon. And they're waiting, they wait, they worry if that moon passes without menstruation. So how do they talk in language about what wouldn't happen? Because even thinking about how to phrase a question, I have to say, if the moon passes, what would I do? I have to use tense. So like, how do they talk about that? Okay, that's another thing for this language. These languages are not tense, smart, right? These languages have modality and aspects, language. So they have marks, which indicate when and how things are done, right? So, and also, particularly now at TI in Cameroon, they have... For example, if they tell me a story, they have to tell on this, and come on the idea of evidentiality of the language. So they have marks, just tell me whose real story, it's a fake tissue story, it's a go-to-have, but not go-to-have. So they have several marks on the language, which is completely different from English or any western country language. So it's another level of discussion in terms of grammaticalization of time and language. Yeah, in this case, this language is a model aspect of language. And evidentiality language is a very complicated grammatical thing. So many people try to understand, but I didn't read them anything. They say, oh, that's a good one, but I struggle to understand it. But is that the case? Yeah. So they don't talk about it as... They would say, I would say, for example, if I'm already... I would say, oh well, my moon is gone, is it? Nothing come up, I'm really prepared myself, father, I'm pregnant. If I'm unmarried, that's okay, if I'm not married, this would be a trouble. So that's the idea of worry about it. Yeah, and there is a way to say things like that, yeah, absolutely. It's not necessary market time there. Yeah, yeah. On the same pass, you mean? Yeah. It's more, it would be more the worry who they speak talking about than the time that that's... Yeah, there's no... They wouldn't do market time for that now. They would make more how they are worried about it. Yeah, so, yeah. Any comments, questions? Much earlier, when you were first eliciting, trying to elicit the time information, you thought they'll probably line up events linearly or cyclically. Yeah. These ideas, neither one of those are obviously the case. Do you have an argument or ideas to how it's mapped? Because it's obviously not mapped. Yeah, it's quite complicated, right? Because to see... One way to see direction of time is to see how people refer to past and present and future, right?  So you can see already the kind of drawing. And we... And now conceptualization of cyclically, we think things will have repeated several times, they must be cyclical. Cyclical, yeah? Cyclical, yeah. But it's not the case for this culture, right? So if everything I remember is stored in my eyes, so the big metaphor here is seeing things. Seeing things means remembering things, right? So is that the direction for that? No, they are just sent on a place, right? For example, they make the time intervals of day and night and things all linked with the nature. And all the cosmology also linked with the moon and the sun. The sun is a powerful thing, right? And then you look at the narrative of the sun and how this combines with the existence of being their self and combines the existence of their identity of their self. You don't really see the direction of time is a cycle and then repeating things doesn't mean cyclical because every moment is something different. So although it's... You know what I mean? So the concept says, man, it can't be the same tomorrow. There'll be something different, right? So it's almost experiential, right? Yeah, yeah, I would say so. But we have to be careful about this kind of being the idea of now and things like that because it's not like that because they have memories, they have cosmology, right? So they also live off the history they constitute themselves. So we can't argument that. But for sure I can say it's not a cycle. I can say it's not one line. But I don't know which one is, right? But I can say what are not. Yeah, but I didn't reach the idea. I couldn't draw, really. So fast I couldn't find any indication I could do that. It may not be a coincidence that one second is more or less the sun as an average human heart beat. Right. But is really the most obvious or the most salient, periodic English anyone can count is their own heart beat. The most cyclic, and it has to be cyclic because it's not cyclic, it probably did for some time. Oh, wow. But did they have any concept of heart beats? No, I didn't look at that. No, no, no, they probably had. But then again, my experience of body and concept of bodies give me some argument what is bored for me, not necessarily bored for our culture, right? So that they see the way the body is in relation to the universe they live is different concept. And one good example is what is disease. Right? So what should be one well in the couch way what should be diseased with our sickness, right? So then you can see there's two ways to see person as a whole and the body and part of the body. So I would say, I don't think we need to investigate that but I would say it would be quite a different concept. Okay, well, let's thank Vera for her talk.


or CEQA. It's a conditional use permit and it's for the property proposed or the property located at 3310 Industrial Drive. The city file number is CUP 23-015. The planner is Suzanne Hartman and I will hand it over to Suzanne for her presentation. Thank you zoning administrator Murray. My name is Suzanne and I am the project planner for the caliber collision project also known as file number CUP 23-015 located at 3310 Industrial Drive. The applicant is proposing an auto body and paint shop with an office space and an existing 12,000 square foot warehouse located at 331 Industrial Drive. This is the aerial view of the project site and as you can see it is surrounded by similar industrial uses and retail and business services. The general plan land use designation is light industry and the zoning district is light industrial. This is a glance at the proposed site plan and floor plan. As you can see only minor changes to the exterior happening here at the rear kind of a pop-up overhang and I think just some minor door and window changes here. These are the existing elevations of the warehouse and these are the proposed elevations and these are the findings that are made for the conditional use permit which are further explained in the resolution. These are the continued required findings also again stated in the resolution. And the proposed project has been found in compliance with the California Environmental Quality Act and qualifies for class 1 exemption under SQL Guidelines section 15301 and that the site is entirely developed and the proposed use would involve a negligible expansion of the previous industrial use. This project is an industrial use and is located within an industrial zone. Again only minor proposed changes to the exterior. There have been no public comments received as of today and it is recommended by the Planning and Economic Development Department that the Zoning Administrator approve a minor conditional use permit to allow an auto body and paint shop with office space at 3310 Industrial Drive. Any questions? My contact information is on the screen and we do have the applicant representative on Zoom if any questions arise. They do not have their own presentation. So can you pack up to the elevation slide? And first before I ask my questions if the applicant or applicant representative is online would you like to add anything to Suzanne's presentation before I ask my questions? So this is Randy. Hi Randy. Hi. I don't have any questions. I want to thank you and staff for the fact that you guys are approving the building. It's going to look good once we're all done and we look forward to working in your city. We look forward to having you. So I do have some questions about the actually the exterior here. It looks like some changes are being maybe some doors are being changed. Is this the same elevation, the same perspective, same that we're looking at on screen? Yeah so on sheet number seven or seven in the bottom the top the top elevation it's exactly the same except for adding some ducts, ducts in an AC unit. We're not painting the color of the building at all. It's that's the way it is today. Now on the bottom we will be painting the building that color fade and we're adding a canopy in the back of the building which is in between the two roller doors. Yes right there. Okay so and then so there's no change in siding. Correct. Okay perfect. So I'm gonna I'm gonna add that that was my question. I wasn't understanding the siding here and I was out there yesterday so I did do a site visit. I did review the findings. I would like to add a couple of conditions of approval so I'm real glad you're there Randy. The first one is I'm just going to add kind of a some level of design review will be required for the exterior changes for an awning on the back of the building. It should be an over-the-counter review but until we see the physical plan I can't say that for sure so I just use that language that it will require some level of design review. You can work with Susanne on that. She has the authority to to to do that and it's it doesn't it's not a separate application. The over-the-counter process is done as part of your building permit and your awning will definitely need a building permit. Then I I wanted to add a couple of other plans. I did review the plans last week so they're not super fresh in my mind but I did add a couple of conditions and one is that the plan submitted for building permits shall match those approved by the zoning administrator. Date stamped received on May 17th 2023 and if you do want to paint the building you can that we don't we don't regulate color it's just when you start getting into siding or or you know additions or you know changing moving windows around and I also want to say I you know I understand why we have the conditional use permit requirement for this given how painting vehicles used to be but with paint booths I appreciate you going through this I know that regulatory requirements would have met but met through the building permit process so thank you for for going through the process I'm going to go ahead and approve your the resolution and oh oh before I do that I need to do open up the public comment period thank you I need to open up the public comment period one of these days I'm going to tie a ring so string around my fingers so I remember is there anybody out there that would like to comment on this project nobody in the room nope if you would like to make a comment via zoom please raise your hand you may find the raise your hand button at the bottom of the screen zoning administrator Murray there are no hands raised few thank you again Suzanne and with that I'm going to approve the resolution thank you very much Randy and good luck we look forward to seeing them building permits that's terrific thank you now I have a question though the simple one you said the last day for the appeal date is June 26 would it be possible to submit my building plans prior to that you sure can you can work with Susanne on that if you submit your building plans and we receive an appeal you will stop the review of your plans uh just until the appeal situation is resolved I think considering we haven't heard any comp public comment and nobody participated in the meeting you're probably pretty safe but just keep that in mind that's great perfect thank you very much you bet okay thank you oh you won't leave that one I I think oh she's got her memories come on thank you will you go tip up my water yes thanks moving on to item 5.2 this is a public meeting for the GB2 LLC floor plan amendment it's an exempt project exempt from CEQA it's a conditional use permit and the project is located at 2715 Giffen Avenue city file number CUP 23-026 and the project planner is Monet Shikali matter Shikali thank you the Sony administrator I'm going to share my screen and start presenting and as you mentioned this is a minor conditional use permit for a project that was already actually approved in 2022 on August so let me go the applicant is proposing to modify the approved floor plan for a cannabis micro business type 12 license so the only change will be made is between the manufacturing area and the distribution the nursery space will remain the same as it was approved here is the project site the general industry and the zone is light industry and here is the suite where the project was approved for micro business and here is a suite and here is the floor plan that I'm going to show you what was approved and what are the changes so as you can see the applicant had 100 square feet for manufacturing space which they are going to expand it to almost 500 square feet so it's going to be within the same suite in the same almost location except it's going to be in a larger room which would also result in the reduction of the distribution space no exterior changes are being proposed everything will remain as it is and as some of you may know there are some general operating requirements for cannabis uses such as security plan order mitigation plan and lighting and those will stay same as the original project was approved and the applicant is not proposing any changes to those the project also has been reviewed and compliance with the california environmental quality act and qualifies for class 1 exemption which is in that the project is proposed within existing facility involving negligible expansion of the existing use staff did not receive any comments or questions about the proposed modification and with that it is recommended by the planning and economic development department that the zoning administrator by resolution approve a minor control use permit for the property located at 2717 Geffen avenue the applicant representative amber morris is also available if you have any questions to answer and that was my presentation thank you thank you and and amber if you're on the zoom call can do you have anything you'd like to add or is any other member of the team sir thank you for having me um we're just excited this is an activity that we used to actually send out of house and with getting our approval last year it's something that's really benefited our business by having the ability to do it in house and we just need to get a bigger place to do it so um thank you and i'm here for any questions if you have one i i have actually a clarification question for you it's the the agenda has 2715 Geffen and it's 2717 i think they're both the same i think that's the difference between a suite number but 2717 that's correct address right amber the suite number is 2717 and the street address is actually the building itself i'm guessing is 2715 there are two addresses because there are two suites right i just want to make sure that yeah the suite number for this building is 2717 and it is another suite can we um verify on the resolution that we've got the 2717 no no it's okay 2717 perfect okay good okay um let's see i i i don't have any questions it's already been an approved use i i suspect i don't know if this was a minor project to begin with i'm thinking it probably was and so again i have i have no issue with this i i've done a site visit i did it this morning got tangled up in that street maze out there and i have i have nothing to add i'm going to approve the project comments ah gosh every single time public comments pub before you know that you know where i'm going with this i need to open up the public comment period um is there anybody in the room that has any comments nope is there anybody on the zoom call that would like to add anything if you wish to make a comment via zoom please raise your hand you may find the raise your hand button at the bottom of the screen no hands are raised thank you so glad to hear that again i will be approving the resolution as drafted thank you very much and chicago okay the third item on the agenda is uh is another public meeting it's for the crows at hillside development this project is also exempt from the california environmental quality act and the site is located at 3817 sky farm drive hillside development permit 23 dash 002 the project planner is jandon briscoe i'm just pulling up my uh you go ahead i'm not going to hand it over to you until you got it up there okay and with that i'm going to hand it over to the project planner to give his presentation yeah thank you zoning administrator murray and i'm jandon briscoe and i'm here to present to you the crozat residents landscaping plan located at 3817 sky sky farm drive the applicant is proposing a backyard landscaping project associated with building a residence that was um that was burned down a couple years ago and this includes two retaining walls and own gray on gray seating areas along with a deck that is continuous with the end of the pool the aerial grates on a slope grid at the tip of scent limited to 320 square feet and before i move on i would like i would like to elaborate that this that the pool was already permitted and the house was already permitted and the only thing that we're talking about here today is the landscaping plans and the pool accessory structures general plan language designation is very low residential in the zoning district designation there's a plan development that 72 dash 001 f that's rc resilient city and here's some pre-fire pictures of what the residents look like prior to the fire and this is what the residence looks like now today and it's the stages of building that is in and here you can see that you can see the pool being built and it overlooking the mountain and as i said earlier this is the yellow the yellow circles where most of the project that we're going to be discussing today the retaining wall is right here and on the next slide you'll see that this retaining wall intrudes on on a pretty steep slope and that's the only part of the project that intrudes on this slope so here's the the very steep slope and that's that's part of the reason why we're doing a hillside development permit today and this is just a colorful rendering of what the landscaping would look like and i would also like to point out that this is a revised plan because there was a water feature that was going to set back with the applicant decided to take it out and here are some of the required findings and i want to elaborate on my on finding number four and the resolution i was talking about that the house was not readily readily visible from the public right away and speaking about the house i meant to say the entire parcel because the purpose of the hillside development permit is to maintain the integrity of the hillside so that's what i meant by house and finding number four and these are the continued findings and as zoning administrator marie said earlier this project is exempt from sequel because it involves new construction of various exceptional structures how many no public comments have been received thus it is recommended by the planning and economic development department that the zoning administrator approved the hillside development permit for 3817 sky form drive and here's my contact information and i'm unsure if the landscape architect was available to make it to the zone today so it's okay it's the project applicant this is no it's a project applicant um on with zoom what is his name is it kary bush bottom leaf so if the you have the project applicant is on if you could we do have a hand raised yeah let's go ahead and okay go ahead you're able to speak if you unmute yourself kary there you go mark johnson hi mark are you the applicant um i'm speaking to the applicant merge studio landscape architect okay can you is there mark can you turn off the volume so that i can they have to speak oh that's right that's so much better thank you so you're you're i'm sorry your um can you start over your name is and your representing my name is mark johnson i'm here with carlos rays and we've both been working on this project for merge studio landscape architect got it i do you have anything you want to add to gendon's presentation i don't think i think it's pretty clear i have a i have a question for you guys and i maybe i'm i i did a drive by i went out there and i visited the site yesterday and first i agree that i mean you can you can't really see any of the changes and i thought gosh it looks so flat back there and i saw the retaining wall there's a huge retaining wall is that the retaining wall that's part of this project or was that approved with the swimming pool that was approved before so i think what we're looking at right now is the pan deck that cantilever's over and that has and that's what's under review today the part that's part of the the hillside okay yeah okay and so the area where the work is being done is it has even leveled out already from the from when the retaining wall was put in by the way that's going to be an amazing view and i have to compliment the stairs on the right side of the house they're absolutely beautiful but um yeah i'm just i'm curious it looked like the backyard which is where all this work is being proposed it looks like it's leveled out with that retaining wall it's been filled out since um i don't know exactly what the um the level of the of the gradient was there but i think it was um mark you know they they were they had the when they were putting the pool in they did level it out between the house and the pool so that retaining wall was there to um to to gain the the grade that they needed for building correct yeah okay so it yeah i maybe we put the cart before the horse here but that's in the end we'll have an approved retaining wall it sounds like so um i have done a site visit and i have reviewed the findings and um and i i will ask in that what was the finding number four that we clarify that the project rating respects natural features and visually blends with adjacent properties in that the retaining walls will step with the slope of the hillside and the house screens i'm going to say screens the area from the public right away if that works for everybody yeah and just yeah we're just modifying that yeah i'll i'll dropped it out so i'll hand you over my notes and then um i also want to add i i want to actually compliment um and thank everybody that was involved in this gendon specifically you for modifying the construction hours and reducing them so we avoid the morning breakfast hour and the evening dinner hour with construction activities considering you are you do have other residential development around you so much appreciated on that i'd also like to add a pretty standard condition and that all plans that submitted for the building permits shall match those approved by the zoning administrator date stamped received on january 19th 2023 which i'm assuming that should be fine with everybody since that's what we're talking about today i i've got a big sign public comment i am going to go ahead and i still forgot and so before i render any decision on this i'm going to go ahead and open up the public comment period and see if we have we don't have anybody in the room that is interested in commenting is there anybody on the zoom meeting if you wish to make a comment via zoom please raise your hand you may find the raise hand button at the bottom of the screen if you're dialing in via telephone please dial nine to raise your hand and star six to unmute once called upon zoning administrator murray there are no hands raised at this time thank goodness so with those um the changes to the the finding and the um added conditions uh mark are you are you okay with that sound reasonable but is that sound reasonable that sounds fine yes thank you great then with that revive that revision i'm going to go ahead and approve the project i hope the project can be appealed within uh 10 business days and we've established that appeal period will expire on june 26 that's the monday after next and um yeah you can pull permits during that time if we receive appeal an appeal your review will be frozen or your um or your job if we started construction will be red tagged or not red tagged but stopped until the appeal is resolved okay okay thank you very much for coming to the meeting thank you uh-huh and and moving on do we need to take any break or anything in between the next two items that's perfect because i i'm going to ask for a five minute break and i'll be right back i need to yeah i'll be right back right neighbors gave us a card to thank us for what we've done with that plan it's been five minutes but i think it's okay okay i think we're finally getting to the item that our guests have been here for so um the um last item item 5.4 on in the public meetings is um a project to legalize an addition um that was done to a home and it is exempt from the california environmental quality act this is a landmark alteration permit for the property located to 818 Monroe street city file number lma 23-001 project planner is again jandam briscoe and i will let him take it away on his presentation thank you for the handoff miss mrs donning administrative and i will start my presentation and yeah this is legalizing an additional 818 Monroe street and this is within the mcdonald historic preservation district the applicant's proposing to legalize the addition that is 308 square foot at the rear of the house and it's not easily visible from from the street or from the backyard when those on the door on the addition will be replaced to match the windows and door on the main dwelling the general plan designation is low density residential and the zoning designation is a plan development it's a historic plan development that's 0226 and here's an every view of the project and this is kind of hard to see what her addition is but we'll get to that later on and again this is within the mcdonald historic preservation district and these are some of the required findings there were eight there needed to be there needed to be for this project and findings continue and this qualifies for a class one categorical exemption under seco guidelines section 15301 and that the scope of work consists of a next negligible expansion of the existing use and here is a floor plan and as you can see the addition is right here and without the addition is to the left and these are the elevations this is the area of the addition right here and right here you can see right here and this is the street view of the house while you have this up can I ask a clarifying question is the end piece that on the top picture the left is that part of the addition the slanting roof no I see the slanting roof with the building on the left you know that's not part of that that was originally there okay it's kind of built like a shotgun house and this is a picture of the addition two pictures actually and when this presentation was written was prepared there were no public comments however I did receive a public comment yesterday from a neighbor of the residence that voiced support for this project yeah that's it is recommended by the planning and economic development department that the zoning administrator approved the landmark automation permit for 8181 road street and here's my contact information we have the owners of the property here in person today however the architect was unable to make it today thank you and would you like to add anything to champions presentation any comments just that that room has been there since the wind 1970s 70 something you know yeah I can I can elaborate that I'm sorry to interject but looking at some of our city aerials I can I can decipher that the addition was probably built between like the mid 1970s and 1986 and if I could I can show the air view of that you know yeah yeah absolutely can I would appreciate it yeah we bought it as is and I appreciate I appreciate you wanting to legalize it very much it's not showing up on the screen don't share okay go that and put an X over yeah so it's kind of I got a screen zoom in a little bit more yeah we took that pool out we had a permit for that about four years ago and took that dark thing out pool and as you can see in 1977 the addition isn't there but the next closest air view is in 1987 so in between like within that 10 year period that's when the addition was there okay so that's yeah okay and this was prior to the McDonald's preservation district becoming a thing because the McDonald's preservation district became a preservation district in 1998 he read my mind in what year was that so yeah and so I'm gonna I'm gonna pull this back in so no more no more going back and forth unless we ask questions okay I've opened up Pandora's box by opening up the dialogue so I did Jan didn't just clarify something that I was very interested in and knowing that what when the the preservation was a district was established and when that was constructed before I go on I'd like to see if there's any public comment we have the the property owners you guys um your comments can come after but not if there's anybody else that's joining us by a zoom if you would like to make a comment via zoom please raise your hand you may find the raise your hand button at the bottom of the screen if you're dialing in via telephone please dial star nine to raise your hand and star six to unmute once called upon zoning administrator Murray there are no hands raised at this time fantastic so I'm going to ask if Jenny can you bring up the elevation the actual photographs of the yeah so on on that elevation I was a little unclear on the windows it's the two windows on either side of the front door that you're wanting the lower ones you want to do with single home windows and then the top ones you're going to leave them the same is that right yes and then the the window trim what were you planning to do for the window trim is it to match the windows up in the right hand corner yes yes perfect that I didn't understand that and I just wanted to clarify that because if not I was going to add that as a condition of approval but if that's the plan we don't need to do that um and then the the the area you know that on the on the left side of the picture on the on the top left um that where we see that other route that section of the house is not part of this right no this project it's just this area correct got it okay and is that are those two connected yes they are so is it all just one long residence and the addition connected the two structures maybe I'm just trying yes yeah kind of okay they were connected but it filled in right okay yeah they have one side then the other and then somebody got this bright idea to just put a family room right between the two of them got it and connected so you can actually walk from the front of the house all the way to the back of the house oh yes got it okay um I just needed some clarification on that I went and did a site visit and um I was late I usually do them a little bit earlier and I was actually knocking on your door about 10 to 10 this morning but you were already gone I heard some like hammering jack hammering it sounded like in the back or said in the neighborhood behind you yes and so I thought they probably can't even hear me so but it was anyways anyway so um thank you for the clarification I um I want to make a um an amendment to uh finding number three um I want to clarify that this it references that I think the cherry street preservation district and we'll want to update that to reference the mcdonald preservation district and again I want to say thank you thank you thank you for conditioning the project with more restrictive um construction hours so that's something you'll want to make sure that your your contractor is aware of and um um when you're in a residential zoning district it's just so much nicer to have construction stop before dinner time and now and start after breakfast what time is that the the hours the construction hours are limited from eight a.m to five p.m monday through friday because that sound that you heard was they started at seven this morning oh you're building a pool and tearing out a patio oh um so we can look back this is a pretty new practice that we're doing it used to be seven a.m to seven p.m and um we've kind of changed our our hours when it's surrounded by residential development but if that project were approved you know previously and I'm assuming it was approved if you want to check on it you can you can do that anonymously by calling code enforcement and asking them about permit history or go online you can actually call we're hoping it was just one day of jack camera yeah yeah there you go the damage is done there you go so but your your hours are eight to five so you don't get to retaliate and on saturdays nine to four so and that's for really noise generating activity so if it's if it's somebody digging a hole with a shovel and putting a plant in the ground that's not what it's that's not what we're referring to fishing to rain stuff yeah jack hammers and hammers but painting is quiet so um and i i think did i add i think i i didn't add and i want to add that a condition of approval that will say that the plan submitted for building permits will match those that have been approved by the zoning administrator which i believe are dates to oh no no no that's right there it's the very first condition bravo it's on there i'm not adding any conditions i'm complimenting them well done and um your project oh i opened up the public commentary gosh i did it right for once i am going to go ahead and approve this project as conditioned um i appreciate very much knowing that the when how old this um changes that you are legalizing it and that it was done prior to the establishment of the preservation district that is key in this approval so um that said i think that um any uh actions taken today all four of them are subject to attend a calendar day appeal period which would which will expire on monday june 26 i would like to thank this applicant for giving me that date since i came without a calendar and um i appreciate anybody that attended remotely uh thank you all and i'm going to adjourn the meeting at 11 21 you know


e great work. We've already made a Sunshine Week announcement about NARA's Sunshine Week program on Monday, March 13th, which I hope everyone will join us for. Making Access Happen FOIA at the National Archives. We're also going to be running some videos with a theme of making Access Happen throughout the whole week of Sunshine Week that I hope everyone will tune into. You'll hear some great stories from folks all over the National Archives about how we're making Access Happen to all the great records that the National Archives has. Not just through FOIA, but more generally. Bobby, did you want to just take a minute to talk about your Sunshine Week program? Thank you, Lynn. I appreciate that. We're excited to have our event again in the morning of Sunshine Week. So I encourage everyone to go to both DOJ and OJIS's event, or a few both DOJ and OJIS's event details about our event on our website. We are having an in-person and live stream and look forward to talking about the importance of FOIA, of course, and recognizing some of the great work that agency professionals have done in key areas of FOIA administration. And so look forward to a great Sunshine Week and a great kickoff on Monday with both DOJ and OJIS events. So please do view it online or even better if you would like to visit us in person in the Great Hall of the Justice Department. Okay. Thanks, Bobby. Appreciate that. I want to just thank everyone again for all the hard work you're going to continue to do. And we're going to meet again as a committee, virtually, I suspect, Thursday, June 8, 2023, beginning at 10 a.m. Eastern time. Does anyone have any other questions or concerns before we adjourn? Looking for hands raised or anyone jumping up and down? Seeing neither. Oh, Alex is raising his hand. Yes, sir. I would invite the White House Office of Management and Budget to the next meeting now that we have some lead time so that they can update us all on the status of interoperability between FOIA.gov and all the different case management systems. OMB has that responsibility under the FOIA Improvement Act and it would be useful to hear what progress agencies have made. Interestingly, the deadline for interoperability is August of this year one month before FOIA online is supposed to go offline. So there will be a transition or hand off in a way from one set of case management systems to a new one. And interoperability will be very important. And since OMB has been designated as the agency on top of that, I hope that they will come and talk to us about that along with the possibility of restoring a cross agency priority goal on FOIA, which they had set up in 2016. Just wanted to get that in there and to thank both of you for doing a Sunshine Week celebration since it is always good to hear our government celebrating access to information for the public benefit. Thank you so much. Thanks. Any other Sunshine Week announcements? Anyone else know of any other activities going on in the League of Sunshine Week? I'm looking at Dave Collier hoping can speak about what's going on at endpoint. No, nothing. Got nothing. Okay. All right. I just want to thank everyone again for joining us today. We had a packed meeting. A lot of great information was shared. I want to hope that everyone is staying safe, healthy, and resilient. And without any other questions, we will see each other again Thursday, June 8th. Sorry, Alex. It will be virtual and we stand adjourned. Thank you very much, everyone. Take care.