for the next talk, exposing systems of power and injustice. Systems of power and injustice, they are everywhere, everyone hates them. These people have been handling with these systems for five years now. It's the Disruption Network Lab from Berlin, and they are an institution for arts, politics, whistle-blowing, and, what was the last one? I forgot. Here, to give the talk for you, Tatjana and Lieke. And while I'm here, I'm sorry, just to quick mention, the talk will also be available with subtitles by our great subtitle Andrews. Thank you very much. So, thank you very much. We are really happy to be here. My name is Tatjana Bazzikelli, and I'm the director of the Disruption Network Lab, and with me there is... Yeah, my name is Lieke Plucher, and I'm directing the community program of the Disruption Network Lab. Yes. We want to do, in a sense, a long presentation, but hopefully not too boring, because we really like to connect different dots in our activity. That is also why we usually try to describe what we do as an interconnection of different practices. We work on the cultural aspect within whistle-blowing and culture, and hacking and politics, and also we try to be really careful and close to the discourse of social justice and the importance of the civil society. But we are a conference program in Berlin, so we usually try to invite people that work on these subjects. But at the same time, we also do a great work of preparation before each conference, and we want to present here a bit the genesis of our program and also what we have been doing in the past five years, even before. So I'm actually starting with something that doesn't go on, of course. This is the great technology aspect that everything works until the first time. Oh, yes, here we are.  So I go back to basically 19 years, so it's not really five years ago, and I really like to bring this image because in a sense we are real also because we believe in certain practices and we believe also in the network that creates these practices. And here I was at the hack meeting in Italy, in Rome, in 2000, that was my second hack meeting, I'm Italian, as you can imagine, and it was a really great situation in which back in the time a group of us was trying to create the connection between hacking and art. And at the same time we also ask ourselves if hacking is political. And of course there were a lot of interesting debates because not all the people in the time really believed on the connection of art and hacking because of course art was always confined in the specific systems, but what we were trying to do, and this was our effort, was trying to open up this system, especially also the cultural system and the ones of art, and also demonstrate that hacking can also be an attitude that brings you to interpret society and culture in a very different way. So this is what we were doing back in the time, at least a group of us, not all. We were at the Forte Prenestino in Rome doing this great event. And then my first international hack meeting was actually here at the CCC, the Chaos Communication Camp 2003. That is also the year in which I moved to Berlin. So we are both based in Berlin and back in the time I had another kind of interesting discussion. The camp was much smaller than today, but it was also a very interesting time because it was really at the beginning if you want. And I had really great sharing with people and instead I had the opposite problem coming to Germany because back in the time the people were not really considering hacking as political at least here at the CCC. And so my struggle was always to show actually this is also part of the root of the CCC if you think about the work of Wow Holland. So I always refer to Wow because I think he is really a great example of how it's possible to bring hacking into society. And today we see actually that we have both the art and culture track and we have also the ethnic politics and society. So I think that sounds to move on. Of course, there was also the art track at the CCC back in the time, but there was less discourse about politics and I think there should still be more because at least in my impression is that we speak a lot about that but we have always to try not to just confine ourselves into the technological field. Really try to demonstrate what happened if you open these fields. If you go into culture, into art, into society and make hacking something really concrete that is also going beyond the technology and beyond the digital itself. So then I jump in time and I go back, still I mean it's back in time but it's fast forward to the discourse of whistleblowing. And so this is also the point why I wanted to create this connection of these dots because I mean this is a really great installation that the Chelsea Manning Initiative did in Berlin and they were really working a lot to support Chelsea Manning even before when it was called Brady Manning and I still feel also that there have not been enough talks about whistleblowing here, not really many people speaking about Chelsea Manning and I also would have wished to have more debates about that still because back in the time in 2013, 2015 this was really a big topic that we were having so why there are not so many people now speaking about whistleblowing and this is a question that I want to bring to the whole community. I think we have not to forget these people because even if the discourse of Snowden was really hype back in the time, Chelsea Manning is still in prison, Ola Bini was in prison, Assange is in prison, many other whistleblowers are in prison and so is also our needs and our duty to support these people and try still to speak for an open society and also a freedom of information. So I wish that the next coming four years we will also go back to this discourse. And so I also want to bring something that for me was really important and was a panel that I was creating back at Transmediale in 2014 when I was creating this festival. And I want to bring it here because at the time this was a panel with Trevor Pagling, Jay Cappell, Baun and Laura Poitras. We were really discussing about the impact of art and evidence and also how art is informed by whistleblowing, how it's possible to use whistleblowing also as a tool to change society. And so the discourse of art as evidence was really important because also was trying to go over the real of evidence are something very technical and to bring it into culture. I mean is what Laura Poitras did with Elfim, for example, about Snowden. So I want to refer to that also because it was a really big inspiration for the work that I'm doing at the moment. And so I want to go into that now and we start speaking about the Disruption Network Club and in particular what we are trying to do is also to create a feedback loop that is bringing together the discourse of art, politics and disruption. And disruption is something that comes from business. We appropriate this concept and in business means to introduce in the market a product that the market doesn't expect.  And this is also what is happening with whistleblowing. So there are a lot of very interesting discussion that is possible to have. And in a sense, this also goes back to art history if you think about the unexpected that also was created by the avant-garde years and years ago, like to introduce the unexpected in a system that is closed, that is already very much defined. And so the Disruption Network Club started in 2014. We started to really conceptualize it. And so the idea of disruption was very important but also the idea of creating a network and creating a laboratory. And the way we define it is to examine the intersection of politics, technology and society and to expose the misconduct at the wrongdoing of the powerful. The first event that we did was in April 2015. And here I want to go back on the discourse of whistleblowing because the first keynote that we have was Brandon Bryant. So I also want to remind this person because back in 2015 it got very popular but we still have to remember the courageous act of many whistleblowers that were speaking back in the time and that are not so mentioned anymore, especially the drone whistleblowers because they are really a category that has been highly persecuted. And Brandon was a sensor operator and in the US Air Force he was working there between 2006 and 2011 and he was part of this predator program. And when I met him, in a sense, I really had the impression that I understood what does it mean to change your perspective and to meet a person that before did something that you would also not agree with but then to see this person that changed opinion and started to do something very courageous. And I think in a sense, this is also almost an artistic act to bring the unexpected into society when you are a whistleblower and in this case, this case was really to speak about drones and war and how are you able to make a change and how are you able to inspire people by creating almost data is the act of bringing something that you cannot expect and turned around the situation by revealing a misconduct. So now I jump a bit because if I'm going to tell you all the conference, perhaps we stay here until six and we did actually until now 17 conferences and no, 16 conferences and yes, we are preparing now the 17 one and I just want to mention this one because I think also gives, what is this? Okay, yeah, maybe, I mean, we enter another realm of investigation and so we are speaking about challenging supremacism and this conference was about the understanding of the right wing extremism and the idea of inviting people that are also infiltrating context of right wing extremism and at the same time also are trying to bring the unexpected inside them. So I want to mention Daryl Davis is a black American musician that since the 80s has been befriended member of the Cook Looks clan trying to make them change opinion by just having a dialogue and I found this story very inspiring because at dance just with the act of speaking he was able to make a change. Okay, I hope you are listening to me, you hear well? Yes, okay, so go back to Daryl Davis and so I think this is also a really great example of bringing into culture something that is unexpected and also bringing something that could make a change because he is also claiming that since the 80s to now almost 200 people from the Cook Looks clan basically changed their opinion and they did it by meeting a black man. Then we also had a great contribute from Patrick Emerson and Julian Ebbner that were infiltrating the alt-right and the far-right in UK. So I also suggest you to get the information from Hope Not Hate and the report that Patrick Emerson did. I believe there is also a film that came out about him and so we enter now into the discourse of the current program that also leaked a join because you came with us from January this year. So I'm just going briefly to introduce the first conference and then I leave it to you. So we are doing since January a series that is called The Art of Exposing Injustice and we are working together in partnership with the Transparency International and also many other realities. And as you can see from the title, we really want to expose the misconduct and the wrongdoing of the powerful as this is also our title and try to reflect with people how it's possible to make a social change. And there is also a community program. Yeah, so my name is Lika Pluchar and I joined the Disruption Lab at the beginning of this year. Actually, we were already collaborating also since 2015 because I used to run Art Space in Berlin called Spectrum where we also developed a community program and we found that this was a really valuable way to connect with people outside of the usual activities. So I joined Disruption Lab specifically to develop also a community program for the Disruption Network Lab which we launched this year under the title Activation. So what we do in this program, we have now already did 16 conferences like Tatjana just said. So we wanted to have a way of connecting with this large network that we build up both the speakers at events but also the people that come to our events and there's of course a lot of other initiatives and realities operating in Berlin that are working in the fields of our conference topics. So we felt it was really important to also find a way to share more with this crowd and also to connect more with our community rather than just doing bigger scale conferences a couple of times in the year. So we developed this program to interact with our community on a more regular basis. So what we're doing now is we're doing meetups each time before each conference and after each conference and there we go into the field of the conference topic before it actually happens and we give also Berlin communities and activists and other initiatives and we give them a way to present their research connected to us or give input to our program so as an ongoing sharing with our community. So yeah, going forward we will present a bit of these examples of what's already happened. Now we started six months ago so we had a couple of meetups but first Tatjana will introduce the first conference that we did this year. Yeah, so the first conference that we did this year was called Dark Heavens Confronting Hidden Money and Power and in a sense we were really going into the discourse of exposing misconduct again. The way we define it was to explore the inner mechanism of the financial system and also the corruption of offshore companies and of course also you can imagine our main topic was to speak about the Panama Papers that is another discourse that is still important to remember that happened some time ago and also thanks to a whistleblower and their consequence of these acts are still very much alive in society and we had with us many great speakers. Usually our conference format is pretty simple is two days in which we have one keynote and one panel. Sometimes we also like to break up our own system and try to split up some talks but more or less it's like that. And we really try not to make it too big even if lately we had really great participation but not too big in terms of program to have many things happening at once because we really want to focus on the few people that we invite because we think their act is really important, courageous and so we have to give them enough importance also to speak with the public. So we had for example, Frederiko Bermeier with us and Pelin Unker that not so many people knew actually was their first public talk. She told us, we didn't know this. I mean she has been very important for the discourse of the Panama Papers because she was reporting corruption in Turkey and also phasing charge for that. And so we have also to remember the important work of journalists for example, investigative journalists that are both working with whistleblowing, whistleblowers are trying to tell the truth and often they really suffer violent and strong form of persecution. And then we also show the film, the Panama Papers from Alex Winter and we did a really deep program about the discourse of anti-corruption and also protection of investigative journalists that are working on this subject. So yeah, this was the first conference of the year it took place in April and then we also started off our community program. So around this conference in April we organized two meetups. So this was the first one exposing secret connections and this was also the start of the year that we did in 2019. So this was kind of the warm up meeting to this topic of the Dark Havens conference. So what we did was we invited the local chapter of Transparency International, so Transparency Germany and also Open Knowledge Foundation Germany, so two initiatives from Berlin, both of them. And Transparency Germany shared with us the work that they're doing and the interesting thing is that they work also of course a lot on financial transparency but they organize this all in different working groups composed of volunteers. So our thinking was also it's good to hear from them what they're doing but if people are really interested in this topic and they actually want to get involved and empowered to do something they could also join one of these groups and understand more what's going on around this topic and what they can actually work on directly themselves as they want to. And the other thing was actually something really interesting which happened right around the time of our conference was the launch of the Open Company Data Registry and this was done by Open Knowledge Foundation Germany together with Open Company. So they developed this database where they shared Open Company data in a way that's easy for people to share and find information, so sharing it as open data rather than the registry that's currently used in Germany. So this is a very valuable tool for journalists to actually find information if they're researching about corruption. So it was really interesting to hear from them how they developed this and why they developed this and also how people can actually use this tool. So this was kind of the warm up we did to the conference. Then we had the actual conference and then we followed up with the meeting afterwards. So to kind of reflect on what happened at the conference continue some of the discussions. And we also invited one of the speakers at the conference which was Friedrich Lindenberg from OCCRP Data and he came to the meetup to share a bit more in depth what this tool actually is. Also how people can use it, how people could help in improving the tool because it's not completely ready and there's a lot of things they would like to add on to it. So this was a really interesting way also for people to sort of dive deeper into the topic and we had a sharing of one of the workshops we organized in connection to the conference. So this was organized by the art collective rybn.org and it's called Offshore Tour Operator. So this is a really great workshop actually if you're interested in this topic and you wanna find out more about the Panama Papers and the traces of offshore corruption in daily life it's really recommended to go to their website. They have also an app and you can see everything online they're sharing everything openly. You can basically find all the addresses that are in the database in OpenStreetMap so you can go exploring and finding traces of this offshore banking in the daily landscape. So in the workshop we did this with a special GPS device on our back and these are some of the photos that actually Tatjana and Jonas discovered in the rich west of Berlin so obviously a lot of traces of corruption down there and yeah as you can see on the map sometimes it's a lot of walking around to try to find the places. But yeah the workshop obviously was only limited to a certain amount of people that could join which we thought was a pity because there was many people interested that couldn't join so we decided to have this extra moment at the community meetup to share what had been going on so that more people could understand this and also maybe do the workshop themselves or explore Berlin which actually is a way to make you very paranoid so I don't know if it's always nice but it's important to know a bit more about that. Yeah and then we moved to the next conference this was this year in June so this was the most recent conference we did and it was called AI traps automating discrimination and in this event we were reflecting on how AI and algorithms can reinforce the prejudice and the bias that's already in the current society and how this has an impact and increases discrimination especially for groups that are minority minorities so there's discrimination based on race, gender for example and this is actually quite a big problem especially since AI is growing and growing and having a bigger impact in our society. So we hosted different panels this was the final panel of the conference and it was about the politics of AI so it was especially connecting this problem of AI to the wider political systems of our society so the speakers there were Diya Kayali, Oskis and Dan McQuillan and they were also discussing how just changing AI is not enough we need to actually go beyond and look at where this is coming from that AI is prejudiced and maybe we should even change societies because there's a lot of negative influence and we need to be more aware of the context in which these AI's operate and here we see on the slide a slide about the gender discrimination that's often reinforced by AI especially because of the increased facial recognition technologies so also we had quite a lot of transgender speakers in this conference because it's a topic affecting this community especially a lot Yeah, we also spoke about racial discrimination Yeah, also racial discrimination and all the talks are online on our website so if you want to catch up on anything you can find all the videos there and because of this transgender queer connection we also decided to warm up this topic by doing a meet-up around this so this week in May, so a month before the conference we invited a community from Berlin called the Xeno Entities Network and they're a very interesting community because they're connecting the discourse of queer, feminist and gender studies with digital technology and they often host what they call open conversations so they organize the night around AI threats on queer bodies so especially about the impact that this AI and surveillance and control mechanism have on the queer and trans community so we had a night here at the space where we're hosting our meet-ups which is called State Studio in Berlin so it's an art science gallery and yeah, we were all sitting around watching different fragments on the topic and then discussing together like what are the counter mechanisms and what can artists and activists do to counteract these forms of increased surveillance and control then we had the conference and then the second meet-up afterwards which we wanted to focus also on yeah, some positive examples of what actually people have been doing against this or some first starts of what can be done against this AI bias problem so we invited two projects again based in Berlin so there was the Open Tufa project run by Open Knowledge Germany in Algorithm Watch and the Oracle for Transfeminist Technologies which is developed by Coding Rights and yeah, it was a really nice meet-up also because at the end of it we got this great image shared through Twitter from one of the participants that felt really inspired by the whole event and just decided to sketch what has been going on so yeah, the Open Tufa project for those that don't know it I would really check it out it was very interesting it was a project that run in 2018 and for those of you who are German you probably know Tufa as a credit scoring company so if you're in Germany and you want to rent a house you usually have to provide a paper from the Tufa private company that will tell you what your score is and if you're actually allowed to rent this house like if you have enough credit rate and yeah, the strange thing is that this is calculated by an intransparent algorithm so the Tufa is a private company and people are not really sure how the score is calculated so Open Knowledge Foundation Germany and Algorithm Watch organized a campaign where people could donate their Tufa data and they were trying to reverse engineer this algorithm to find out what exactly was going on so by inviting them and sharing this more widely we wanted people to give a better understanding of what's been going on and also for them maybe to join this kind of projects in the future or donate their data or get involved with such initiatives and share the great work that has been done already then I'll hand over again so and the next conference that we are preparing and you are all invited is called Citizens of Evidence and we are reconnecting with this discussion about whistleblowing but we are also trying to reflect on how to extend the concept of whistleblowing to the civil society so how can people enable the facts to expose misconducts and how they can either do it by themselves or in collaboration with journalists or with researchers and activists and also, you know, activists themselves and Citizens of Evidence also, as you say, as I say, reconnect with this discourse of imagining how we could transfer whistleblowing into society and culture and what we are preparing at the moment is the whole program that will involve very great speaker, for example, we have Matthew Caruana Galizia that is the son of Daphne Caruana Galizia, the journalist that has been assassinated in Malta to expose misconducts and corruption, analyzing also an ingrelation to the material of the Panama paper so we create the reconnection but at the same time we have also people that are more grassroots oriented and are really analyzing other form of movements for example, the other keynotes we will have is vooming one from the vooming collective and Italian great collective writers that back in the time under the name of Luther Bliss that wrote the book Q that has been also translated into German, I really suggest you to read and he will speak about the movement of the Val di Sousa that is a really special and interesting case of people that are fighting the construction of the high speed train to connect the city of Turin and the city of Lyon in France and this is I think is a very important argument and discussion platform as well to understand also how a movement was successful because thanks to their activity that is going back to 25 years and even more the train was actually never really able to go into existence and also the corruption, speculation that was around all this plan and also the crazy and really bad impact on the climate and the territory. So I mean, now I'm not going to tell you all the details of the conference but of course you can watch, look it online and also come, that is nice and I leave then to you the description of the workshop. Yeah, so we're organizing two things like additional to the conference so a community meetup which I'll present in a second but also a workshop on the final day so on the Sunday after the conference and this is called Flying in Berlin Sky and Afternoon Investigation which is really going to be a very exciting workshop because there's an investigative journalist Emmanuel Freudenthal and a hacker called Sector035 and together they will take us to the Tempelhofer Feld which is a big airspace in Berlin to do some research of what's going on in the sky. So they're working on plane tracking. They're actually Emmanuel's behind the dictator alert project which is a great initiative trying to figure out how dictators are moving around the world through the sky. So yeah, we hope to find out some interesting things by going to Berlin, Tempelhofer Feld and putting up some antennas, catching what's going on in the air and then analyzing this later. So a good example of some open source intelligence work that we can do directly ourselves after the event. And we will go to Supermarkt as well. Yes, we will end the day at Supermarkt which is also a great art space in Berlin to finalize our analysis and investigation. So yeah, we're really looking forward to that and Emmanuel will also be a speaker at the conference but also hold this workshop. And yeah, to warm up for all of this in September, so on the 4th of September for those of you in Berlin or wanting to visit Berlin, you're really welcome to join us because we will do a preparatory meetup actually more a workshop on how to set up a secure self-hosted file distribution system. And we're organizing this together with the great conference Radical Networks which was held last year in Berlin. This year it will be in New York. And this is a conference around network technology and how to use this also as an artistic medium but also an event that celebrates the free and open internet. So something very closely related also to our work. And we felt it's very important also to organize this meetup as a real hands-on workshop for people to understand how they can set up their own self-hosted installation of NextCloud, so an open source alternative to Google Drive, and also how to set up their own Wi-Fi servers on Raspberry Pi. So yeah, we tried to do that all in three hours so that will be a challenge but you're really welcome to join us and participate. So, and also if you want to know more about the conference after this talk, we have a lot of flyers here, you can pick up the program. Stickers, everything. And yeah, the workshop will be hosted by Sarah Grant and Dania Faziliyev who are both part of the Radical Networks and also the Weissers Eben studio in Berlin. So yeah, hopefully it will look like this with a lot of people joining and then getting involved and learning. And yeah, and so I just also want to bring a little conclusion. I mean, actually I want to say two things. One is, I mean, nice to finish this talk also showing this great video, you know, installation that was done by the Chelsea Manning Initiative when we were doing our conference stands in which we also invited Mustafa Al-Bassam of Laltseq. This is also another great name that I like to mention, part of our program. And you know, keep fighting is a very important concept for us and I want to conclude again with a little reflection of, I mean, I know that for a lot of hackers to speak about culture only and related to whistleblowing, might sound very boring, like, oh no, I want to put my hands on on things. Culture sounds very theoretical and boring. But I think that, you know, because we really like to connect dots. We have not to forget that at the moment what we are witnessing in politics and society and maybe it's also going to influence the technology of the future that we will have is a sort of info war because we are really witnessing the emergency of a lot of right-wing extremist movements and so we still believe that to work on culture is very, very important, especially also for the people that work with technology and are able to shape the society that will also come in the future. So I think that we have to work together, you know, there cannot be only, you know, people coding without people working on culture. We have to stress up this aspect, probably hopefully next time we will have an audience formed by 100,000 people and they won't be scared by the world culture. And then I want to conclude also to thank our great team that we didn't mention. That's, we have a team of really great people, Jonas Francki and also Nadab Barker, Monty, Giacomo Marinsalta, and some of them are also here at the camp. So I really feel to thank all of you and I think we are done and we can open for questions. Exactly. Thanks a lot to our lovely speakers. Are there any questions from the audience about this talk? Anybody? Is there a question from the internet? No. No questions? Then I would like to finish... I'll avoid the lake, probably. Yeah, I think we also go there.  Let's finish with the last round of applause and... Thank you. And thank you all for coming.


Beyond the bullets, beans and band-aids of war, are multiple other tools vital to defeating the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan's Helmand province. Educating young Afghans is one of them. Here at Combat Outpost Riley, female engagement team 13 established ECRA Elementary. A school aimed at providing an education to 20 local students, while their new school is being built nearby. While the lesson plan right now is geared toward the basics of the alphabet, the experience teaches students other valuable lessons. That the Taliban can't come in and just talk these kids into anything. They're going to be knowledgeable, they're going to be educated, and they're going to know what's right and what's wrong. Female engagement team 13 has also set up a love Afghanistan program to teach the students the importance of taking care of their community.


Hoi Hoi, and welcome to the channel. I'm Dr. Sumerian, not a real doctor, and today we are going to go over some dank memes from the dank memes from Site 19 subreddit. Let's get started. The first one is a shoulder meme. Buying an SCP article tagged with a GOI you like. They're only a passing mention. Yeah, this happens a lot more often than people would expect. The tagging system is not exactly a perfect way to determine the content of the article that you're reading, which it's not really what it's for. It's more of a classification system. There is sort of a question among some people as to whether or not the tagging system should be about navigation or if it should be purely for technical use. I really do feel like it's more useful as a navigation tool, and I think a lot of people tend to agree with that, so I don't know why I'm saying it like it's not a not a popular opinion, but at the same time it's not an opinion shared by everybody. Tagging is extraordinarily useful in a lot of technical ways for sure. I'm not saying that it should be a non-technical thing, but if I want to find an article that heavily includes Marshall Carter and Dark, which is my favorite group of interests, it should be significantly easier to do so. Of course, these days if I want to read an article that has Marshall Carter and Dark in it, I just write one myself. My friend, me explaining to my friend the entirety of SCP lore. You know, I've seen a lot of memes similar to this in one way or another. I don't personally, whether this meme is by Dude With Hat, I don't personally actually bother explaining the SCP foundation or its lore to other people. Like that seems silly to me to even try.  Uh, maybe that's more of a me thing than a general thing. I just don't really feel the need to explain it. Like if people are like, what do you do for a living? I'm like, well, I make videos about a writing website. What's the website about? It's complicated. And that's the end of it. If somebody tries to follow up with you and you go, eh, it's complicated, they're the problem. Sky Scientist, Wiki Tut, 2000s era code, the SCP Wiki. You know, the problem I have with this is that it's not even actually connected to, I mean, I get the joke kind of. It's not actually even connected because those are anvils, not anvils, grindstones. And grindstones don't actually fully connect to each other. But even if they did, and you broke it, it's Minecraft that box would still float. There's no physics. This is an imperfect, this is an imperfect example. This doesn't actually describe the thing it's supposed to describe, because it's not nearly as fragile or destructible as the actual SCP Wiki is. Oh, man. Yeah, I know. I mean, the SCP Wiki is indeed, despite what this may literally show, hanging on by a string. So I do get the point of it, at least. The big issue is, of course, that there's not really a whole lot that can be done about it. Other than movie, I've talked about this all the time. Wiki Jump, I honestly just don't think it's ever going to get finished, because here's what happens. Here's what always seems to happen. You get someone in there who is extremely good at all of the things you need to be good at in order to make a website. You get that person in there, and then they have to do it on volunteer hours, because they've got a regular job where they code, and probably a lot of times they're doing the things that they would be doing for the SCP Wiki. Then during their off time, they have to take time away from writing, if that's what they went to the Wiki for, or reading, which is maybe what they went to the Wiki for, and instead just make a website like they do at their day job, but for free. Now, enthusiasm and inspiration are not endless reservoirs, and a website is a huge project. At least a good website, I should say, with all the features that they would like to include. It's actually a huge project, right?  You could get a website up in three months that has the functionalities they want, but you'd need a few, maybe one or two, maybe three people who are getting paid to do it full time, and we don't do that. We have volunteers doing it in their off time. Then it takes a year, it takes two years, it takes three years, and that person who is extremely excited and enthusiastic about doing it in the first place isn't anymore. And they've been slowing down considerably over time because they've been losing that enthusiasm over time. So like, they got an initial rush of, you know, we're definitely getting this done. It's definitely, and then nothing. I don't know if the SCP Wiki is ever going to get WikiJump finished, but I really hope so. It's funny because it's almost, it's been a year or two away ever since like 2008.  It's going to happen soon, TM, but it never does. It never does. I've been here long enough to be extremely, to be extremely skeptical when someone says that WikiJump, we're going to go to our own website in, you know, in 2023, our own website in 2024, our own website. It's always a year off. It's always a year, maybe two years if they're being optimistic or being a little pessimistic about it, but it's never, it's never now one day, which is funny because the, the Russian branch of the SCP Wiki managed to make their own website in record time. I think they were probably working on it a little before they actually were forced to move by WikiDots policies where they banned Russian users. Either way, yeah. Datto's next client for the love of God, Datto. For once, don't take what I say literally, like everyone else you dealt with, how to make talk pill, talk into pill that gets God's love. Yeah, I do actually honestly think this, this, this meme is by Stormbringer05-5. I really do think this could be a fun idea. I don't really have a lot of comments other than the, I think, I think honestly doing a Datto article where Datto doesn't screw up the object and gives them exactly what they want, but that is still bad, could be great. But more, more, more importantly, I think this could be a really good article. Weirdosaurus. I like the GSE because they are interesting contender to the foundation, a unique organization with its own motives and means, its existence and actions as a major faction, both good and bad, help make the SCP world bigger and more developed.  We are not the same.  Like, I know the whole point of this meme is a little bit that like two people who necessarily agree on something don't necessarily agree on everything. Part of what makes the GOC an interesting, like their main functional difference, and this is more legacy because there's new versions of everything that comes out eventually, but the thing about the GOC that makes them like substantively different than the SCP foundation is essentially their attitude towards the exploitation and or destruction of anomalies straight up. Like why would you keep an anomaly around if it could possibly escape and hurt people? Just get rid of it. They don't, a lot of modern interpretations, they don't just get rid of all anomalies. They get rid of the dangerous ones though, the ones the SCP foundation would try and keep alive. Although if we're talking in legacy, even the SCP foundation has limits on that. In the modern version of the SCP foundation, they really don't try to destroy anything. They want to research it and understand it better before they put it away in a box for forever. But the GOC on the other hand, like their fundamentally defining trait is that they're willing to destroy, they're willing to destroy priceless unique things in the universe just to make sure that normalcy is protected. And I don't know, they get to define normalcy however they want, but it's extremely, I want to say authoritarian view. Like each of the GOC and the SCP foundation both have their own versions of authoritarianism because they're both enforcing the status quo and like, I mean enforcing the status quo. This isn't a matter of like vaguely supporting it. Like they kill people, put people in boxes, all to just to preserve the idea, an idea that happens to be the current version of reality for people.  The idea of magic existing is, it's not the norm, but it wouldn't also like surprise people, which is an interesting way to look at the world. And, but now we're in the modern day, when did they decide, when did, you know, this is a really good question. And maybe this is something that could be explored in the story, the little off topic, so I'll try to keep it brief. But when did the GOC and the foundation decide to set the norms? I mean, even today people believe in magic, even today people believe in like, that, you know, Bigfoot exists, and the Loch Ness Monster exists, and all these other things. But if you go back further, it becomes more and more and more normalized. So it's not that they're trying to preserve a sense of quote unquote normalcy, like what is and isn't normal is defined over generations. What they're doing is actually they've, they're moving the world towards science and reason. Gosh, that's an interesting take, because that's what they're doing. I'm sorry, I've given myself a story idea. But it is sort of what the SEU foundation is doing. They're not protecting normalcy. They're not protecting some general sense of it. They are actually, they're actually pushing the world towards their idea of what normalcy should be. Huh. Anyway, that's it. Thank you very much for watching. If you enjoyed the video, hit the subscribe button and then hit the notification bell next to that, so you're notified when I upload new videos. And then head on over to patreon.com forward slash decimarian and pledge at any level like everybody here on the screen already has, including Synderiki, who has pledged $100. It's nice to know that I'm not alone out here, and I will see you all again on the next time I make a video.  I'm probably going to do another video for the end of the month though. Peace out.


Hi, how you doing today? Thank you for joining Rich TV Live. I'm here with a very special guest. It is the CEO of Premier Health Group, Isam Hamza. How you doing Isam? Great. Thank you for having me. Thank you for joining us. Can you tell us a little bit about yourself Isam, who you are, and how Premier Health Group Inc. started? So my name is Isam Hamza. I'm a family doctor. I've been in practice over 20 years. Really, I've always been interested in using technology and delivery of healthcare and use of technology to help patients and doctors make the interaction much more efficient. And so for the past 20 years, I've been trying to incorporate a lot of different things into my practices and built up a few different clinics in the lower mainland here and connected them and started making them integrated with the same electronic medical records and started using early adoption of telemedicine and so on. And then Premier Health about a year ago at a public company purchased the clinics and I came on as a CEO. And since then our motto is to totally disrupt the delivery of healthcare in Canada and around the world from something that is completely inefficient and expensive and unsustainable to something that with technology can grow and provide better care to patients and make it much more efficient for everybody involved. That's great. Now, you mentioned it a little bit. Can you tell us a little bit about the current issues with the Canadian healthcare system and how Premier Health offers a solution? Sure. And it's not just the Canadian health system. I mean, the Canadian health system definitely has its own unique issues, but the world. I mean, the world in a lot of jurisdictions is aging. And with the aging population, it's becoming more expensive to take care of them. And the traditional model of waiting until something happens and treating it then doesn't work really well. The traditional model of the doctor being the centre of care and having less and less doctors compared to the number of patients doesn't work either. And so our motto is to change that whole dynamic and make the patient the centre of their own healthcare, so the patient-centric care instead of the doctor-centric care. And so the reason for that is, you know, you hear stories all the time about not enough doctors in Canada or in this area or that area, let's produce more doctors. And the problem is not necessarily that there's not enough doctors, but there's not a good distribution of doctors. So some areas have too many doctors and some areas have no doctors. And the traditional model would be that a patient has to take a day off of work, you know, or drag their kids out of school, drive across town, sitting in a waiting room after waiting two weeks for that appointment, waiting in the waiting room for an hour and a half, then go into an appointment for five minutes to get a prescription that they already knew they needed or something, right? And it's completely inefficient. And most of the time, I would say probably about 70% of the time, we as doctors don't even touch the patient, you know. And so a lot of it can be delivered in a much more efficient way through technology, through virtual medicine and telemedicine and so on. And that's kind of the core concept. But to do that, you have to empower the patient. They have to understand their own health. They have to understand what medications are taking, for what reasons, who they saw, what the results of the lab tests are, what the results of their MRIs and X-rays and so on are. And so to do that, you have to give the records to them because of privacy reasons doctors can't share records unless you get permission from the patient. So that's a very inefficient way. So often what happens is you go to one doctor, they have no clue what the other doctor did, they repeat tests, which is more expensive to the system.  You get a diabetic complication or a stroke from hypertension, or you go to an emergency which costs the system a lot more money than going to see your family doctor. And so the inefficiencies and the problems with the Canadian healthcare system and so on is costing us billions of dollars and it's not sustainable. And the reason that the government is encouraging and promoting the use of technology and telemedicine in the future delivery of healthcare. That's fantastic. I think you guys are doing something really, really cool here. Now what is your app called and who is it available to? So our app is called My Health Access, this is the current app and the reason it's called My Health Access and it's available on Google Store as well as the Apple Store is that we are a health tech company, we're not a clinic business, we're a health tech company and we bought a health tech company out of Victoria earlier last year that already provides electronic medical records to 3,000 doctors across 8 provinces in Canada and they have about 3 million patients charts in the system already. So 3 million patients have charts in our system already and they already had a patient portal called My Health Access that we used as the start of this app and so that was called My Health Access and we kept that name so for continuity reasons patients would know to be able to download it. So now instead of starting from no patients and going direct to consumer and trying to educate patients and trying to acquire patients and customers we already have a base of 3 million patients that we can draw from and so we released the My Health Access app a couple of months ago into the store. We have over 80,000 registered users already of that app. Congratulations, that's great. And so the patients are able to do 24-7 online booking from home instead of trying to call Monday morning to the staff and trying to get in to make an appointment. So any one of those patients can do 24-7 online booking, they can do telemedicine with one of our doctors or one of their doctors on demand and also they have the ability to do secure messaging so that we can start sending things back and forth to patients. And that's going to be another buzzword you can hear a lot about in 2020 and going forward is secure messaging because we're not supposed to be using email or texts or any of those things that are unsecured to even identify you as a patient. So we have to provide security in the transmission of things and to do that you need some sort of platform that does provide that and our app does that. So that's another reason we developed the app. Okay, great. Now what are your current products and how many clinics are using your technology today? So with our acquisitions, we've made a few acquisitions. So Premier Health initially bought the four clinics with over 120,000 patients and then we purchased the cloud practice tech company out of Victoria and cloud practice had three different products, let's say. So the first product they have is called Juno, which is an Oscar-based electronic medical record. So electronic medical record is what the doctor uses when you go into the office and you're talking to your doctor and they're sitting there typing away on the computer. They're entering all that information into your electronic medical record and there's different vendors that have it. One of the vendors is called Juno and Juno provides electronic medical records to over 3,000 doctors, about 315 clinics across the country in eight provinces and like I said, about 3 million patients. They also have a second product that fully integrates again into Juno and that's a billing software called Clinicaid and Clinicaid does over 30 million a month in billing transactions for doctors' offices and aller professionals. And then the third product was the My Health Access portal which we've really developed over the past year into a full-fledged app that we just talked about as well. So that's the three products from them. And then we also just recently acquired a company called LiveCare and LiveCare is a pioneer, one of the very first telemedicine companies in Canada over four years now and they have provided over 27,000 telemedicine visits over those years to a range of places but particularly the focus was remote communities and indigenous First Nations communities that are under service and so on. They worked with a lot of government agencies and provincial agencies and native agencies and so on to provide these clinics and like I said, they were really pioneers and then another reason we acquired them was not just that telemedicine platform they have but that telemedicine platform has the ability to have all the devices attached to it. So let me explain that for a second because I think this is really important. When a doctor sees a patient through telemedicine traditionally, so if you talk about Teladoc or something like that, you're able to see them and do a lot of things. You can do prescription refills, you can give them requisitions for lab tests, you can talk to them about mental health and counsel them and so on. So there's a lot of things, right? What you can't do is you can't look in the eardrum, you can't listen to the heart, you can't listen to the lungs and so on. With the telemedicine application they have with LiveCare, they actually have these carts that they can put in remote communities or clinics and we'll talk about this in a second with pharmacies that we're doing where it's almost like a clinic in a box. So they're very small footprint carts and they have Bluetooth stethoscopes and autoscopes and ophthalmoscopes and so now the doctor on the other side across the country or across the world can do a full exam on that patient. They can actually see the eardrum of the crying kid or listen to the lungs to see if there's pneumonia or look in the throat and so on and do almost a full exam. And so it expands that use case for telemedicine virtual care even further and that's another reason we bought them. And the final reason we bought them is that they have an exclusive partnership with McMaster University for I think the future of the personalized health record. So remember I told you before the reason there's issues with sharing, doing this is that the patient health records so fractured. There's some stuff here and some stuff there. McMaster has developed a patient hub where all your records, everything from vaccines to your visits and so on all sit there and not just from your doctor, it could be from your pharmacist that enters or that the information gets dumped into from your chiropractor, from your counselor and attaches a team around it. So now it's not just your allied professionals that are attached to it but even let's say if you're an elderly patient, maybe your caregivers, maybe your kids that can be part of that team. And now they can be able to share some of those charts so that they can provide you better care and it goes both ways. So it sends information in there so you have one unified hub and so you think of it like a spoken wheel kind of thing. So that's the hub and now you have other things plugging into it. You have your Fitbits plugging into it and your health monitoring devices and your cardiac specialists. So they have that built out and it fully integrates into the electronic medical records and the devices and so on. And so that's kind of the future of the healthcare delivery and that's another reason we bought life care. I really like what you guys are doing. I'll give you a great example. So I'm from Toronto and I hurt my back. So I go to a doctor here. They have no clue. So I have to go back to my doctor in Toronto, get them to send the back records to here and it's just a nightmare. It's a headache. It's just a waste of my time. So what you're talking about is actually there's a huge need for it. 100%. And there's no one really doing it. Now you did mention on TDOC. Yes. So TDOC for those of you guys that are watching at home is probably the biggest in America doing this. Probably in the world, yeah. In the world, yeah. So they're actually one of my picks that you guys will be hearing about. I think has a huge potential, a huge future that company and it's a stock that I think could do really, really well. How do you compare to them? They're like an $80 stock on a senior exchange in America. I think you said $6 billion market cap. I think they have a $6 billion market cap. We're about 30 million Canadian. Wow. And that's great. So we're not afraid of competition. We encourage it. We do not want to be the only one in the industry in Canada and we're not, and I'll explain to you why in a second here, but it's very important that patient education happens, that this is a viable way to get your healthcare delivered. And that's very expensive. It takes time and effort and money to educate patients and doctors and everybody that this is a great way to do it. To give you an example, in some places in the States, some insurance companies and so on that have telemedicine and virtual care, over 53% of delivery of healthcare is through virtual care. In Canada, we're less than 1% right now. Oh, wow. So we have a long way to go. I had no idea it was like that. Yeah, and so we have a long way to go to get to that point and that's going to require patient education and that's also going to require other people in the industry providing kind of validation and so on. So we encourage it. So we encourage the fact that Teledoc's there. They're acquiring a lot of companies around the world instead of establishing their own presence in a lot of places. And there's other ones as well. And Babylon here in Canada, they just released I think in NBC, there's Maple out of Ontario that recently raised I think $14.5 million. So there's a few different companies out there that are doing pure direct consumer. The difference is that we already have an established base of patients. So we're not starting from zero and trying to acquire patients very expensive, in a very expensive way. We have 3 million patient charts already in the system that are kind of low hanging fruit that are able to come into the system right away to give us a base. And when we release this app, like I said, we already have over 80,000 registered users, which is great. We are going direct consumer as well. And one more thing that we've announced and we will be encouraging further is that we are going to be creating these kiosks in pharmacies as well. So the reason for that is that's the very big pain point for patients. Most patients don't know they ran out of medication until they get to the pharmacy. They see the pharmacist actually seven to eight times a year compared to their family doctor, which is maybe three times or four times a year. And so that's usually where they have to leave the pharmacy, go across town, or wait until they get an appointment or they run out before they can get the prescription, come back if they even come back to that pharmacy. So the pharmacist loses business and doesn't provide that continuity care. The patient is inconvenienced. The doctor is inconvenienced and everybody's having worse care. So we're putting these very small footprint kiosks in these pharmacies so that we can provide on-demand things that they need like prescription refills and follow-ups and so on at the point of care there too. Great. And what type of feedback have you been getting from the new patient center technology, the telemedicine app? They love it. It's been a life changer for a lot of people in different ways. So yes, it's convenient for sure, but it is also the future of delivery of certain types of medicine, and especially mental health. And so it's been, when I say life changer, I don't think I'm understating it. It really is something that, or overstating, sorry, it is something that has been dramatic in our practices. We've been doing telemedicine for a couple of years now in our practices, and especially the younger patients, you know, the teenagers and young adults and so on, they're already anxious to begin with or they're depressed or whatever. The last thing they want to do is be dragged into a busy waiting room where they think everybody's staring at them and then waiting an hour and a half in a very uncomfortable environment and then going into a small, even smaller room and talking for, you know, five minutes quickly about something that's bothering them and trying to get them to open up. And so it's always been a barrier for mental health with young kids and young adults and so on. And this has been something that's been transformational. I mean, it's been something where now patients at home are more comfortable to talk to the doctors and their health care workers and counselors and so on. And that is going to be probably the thing that really leads telemedicine to broad adoption. And that's one thing we've been doing. The second thing that we've been testing and will be launching relatively soon as part of this app is using artificial intelligence to triage the patient before the doctor sees them.  So it takes about 15 minutes just to find out why you're really there and what we can do for you. And then we rush on the actual solution. And so artificial intelligence has the way to ask you questions and give all that information to the doctor. So for instance, you say I want to see the doctor. He'll ask, you know, what would you like to see the doctor for? And you'll say I have a headache and he'll ask you the same questions I would or my nurse would. How long have you had it for? Do you have it on one side or both sides? Knowledge of vomiting from 1 to 10 and so on and so on and so on. It takes all that information, gives it to the doctor. So now the doctor has a full history. They have a differential diagnosis with about a 95% accuracy rate. And they even have like lab tests that you could run and test and the treatment options based on current evidence before they even said hi to you.  You're having technology now do the intake and the nursing basically first. And so that's something else that everybody likes, the patients like it, the doctors like it because now the doctors can spend that 10, 15 minutes on actually helping you instead of the 10, 15 minutes finding out why you're there. And so that's another reason that we were doing what we're doing. So Premier Health is already revenue producing, which is great and honestly quite rare. Can you share with us your details and ideas of revenue figures and projections currently for 2019 and going into 2020 and beyond? Sure. I think our run rate we had for 2019 was about 11.5 million. And for the end of 2020, we have about 22 million projected. We've made a lot of acquisitions, you know, like we mentioned over the year from the clinics to the two tech companies to two pharmacies with national banners. Recently and that provides a lot of established revenue. But also the reason we did it was that it adds, they're all synergistic things. You know what the clinics, you know what the tech companies we talked about already. The reason the pharmacies are important is that again, you know, the patient and the pharmacist interaction is very important. The pharmacist is part of the allied professionals and it's not something we were experts at before we purchased the pharmacies. And we want to provide kind of further convenience and compliance for patients so that patients don't run out of medications. They don't, you know, get diabetic complications or strokes from, you know, high blood pressure and so on. And so we have the ability now to partner with pharmacies across the country and have the prescription delivered to the patient as well after the interaction with the doctor. And so that's one more thing that we wanted to have as part of our team and what we provide to them. Oh, it's great because we're going into 2020 now and we're here. And 2020 it's like a world where nobody wants to leave their home. Everybody wants to go on the computer. They want to do their shopping on Amazon. So I know you guys have some news. Did you want to discuss a little bit of the news that's coming up? Yeah, no, absolutely. So you mentioned Amazon and Amazon has done, everybody's kind of started putting their fingers into healthcare because healthcare, they see it as a very important part of the future, whether it's Apple with the Apple Watches and, you know, different things to Google, you know, with the Google Health initiatives and so on. To Amazon, they bought Pill Pack, right? So you mentioned delivery. That's why they bought Pill Pack, right? Is that they're going to get into the prescription delivery business relatively soon. And then they purchased, and then they announced something called Amazon Care where they were providing telemedicine services to their employees. Starting in Seattle, 24-7 telemedicine services for their employees and eventually to all their employees around the world, right? So it's called Amazon Care. And why is that important is right after they announced Amazon Care, they purchased the company called Health Navigator. And Health Navigator was kind of the leading company and remember I told you about the artificial intelligence algorithm asking questions first. So they were the leading company in that space. And Amazon basically said, we're buying you, cancel all your other agreements. Microsoft was even using Health Navigator for their health plot. And so they canceled kind of everybody else and said, you're just going to work for our patients basically, our employees. Why that's important is, number one, they're getting into the space. And number two, the senior sales VP of sales of Health Navigator has just joined our team. He's now our senior VP of sales. And he has international exposure to markets and a lot of experience. He's really well regarded and he's leading charge in our sales as well. So we're really comfortable with our sales projections and direction we're going to. Okay, great. Now, our community is a vast community of investors all over the world in over 60 countries. The majority of the people that are watching are from Canada and the United States. Those are the two biggest markets. Now, one of the things that our community loves is they love to figure out your share structure. It's very important when you're looking at the stock market, you know, what the shares look like, what the insiders holdings look like. Would you mind sharing that a little bit with us? Yeah, no, absolutely. So between the insiders, friends and family and the core group that kind of took this company public and so on, we have about over 40% ownership of the shares. We have about, I think, 81 million shares outstanding, fully diluted, I think, just over 90 million. Very tight. Yeah, so it's very tight. We do between just over 200,000 to 300,000 shares a day right now in trading. We're listed on the CSE, but we also have the OTCQB as well. And like I said, we have pretty good distribution. We expect to do even better kind of volume and distribution kind of going forward. There's going to be some major road shows that I'm going to starting this weekend again to start getting the word out because we're now at the execution phase. We were kind of in a quiet phase before just to build the company. We built the company, we built the product, and now we're executing and we're going to have a lot of announcements on kind of that next execution phase that we're talking about right now. Great, and that actually leads into my next question. What's on the horizon for Premier Health Group for 2020? A lot of things. I mean, it's pretty exciting. I mean, there will be no shortage of things that we can start talking about now. So we built this company on purpose so that it has a good foundation. Each one of our subsidiaries and our acquisitions were made for a reason. They all had revenue already. They already had customers. They already had a reason to be joining forces, and so it's synergistic. And so we'll be able to start announcing further things like updates on the number of registered users for our app. We're coming out with a direct consumer brand soon that we'll be able to announce and that way any patient from anywhere across Canada can download it and start using it and so on. Our initiative with pharmacies and the kiosks and so on are things that we're going to be able to talk about as well and expand on. And then a bunch of other things that, you know, partnerships and things that we can't really talk about yet but are going to be exciting because, like you said, it's a very interesting space. It's a very exciting space and it's a space that we're going to go from less than 1% delivery like we talked about to probably over 50% delivery of virtual care in the next 10 years. And we're the only, as far as I know, the only public, Canadian company, publicly traded Canadian company that's doing telemedicine right now. There's a lot of private companies. There's a big U.S. company in Teledoc but otherwise we're the only one where a patient can be a patient and they can also be an investor, right, which is, I think, interesting. Very interesting. And what excites you about Premier Health's future and where it's heading? Partly that is that it's, we're right at the beginning of that hockey stick, you know, and it's pretty exciting but even more so as being a doctor, I just, I see this as quite revolutionary at the very beginnings of healthcare disruption that is the solution, I think, to a lot of the problems we have. And so adoption is going to be interesting. The fact that the patients are going to be rewarded for this, that it's going to make it easier and better for doctors to provide better care, to provide team-based care now where everybody's working together, not just one doctor here and one walk-in clinic here, but everybody together from your counselor to your pharmacist to your naturopath to your family doctor to your specialist. They're all using the same platform and they're all circling you instead of you circling them. And so it's quite exciting. Yeah, well, I'm very excited to see the progression. Thank you so much for joining us here today. Thank you. Dr. E. Sam Hamza, the CEO of Premier Health Group. I wish you all the best of luck in your future endeavors. Thank you very much. Thank you for your time today. Okay, thank you. Have a nice day.