In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful, the Most Merciful The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, the Most Merciful The Most Merciful, the Most Merciful, the Most Merciful Welcome again to another episode of your weekly Islamic chat show Guest of the Week, coming to you from Sharjah TV I'm your host, as always, Ismail Buluk And today, inshallah, we want to talk about something that is a reality that anybody who is watching this and anybody who will watch it they are facing or they are in this situation and that is living this life So we want to talk about the reality of the life that we live Are we just here for fun? Are we just here with no real purpose? Or is there a bigger picture behind our existence? And how should we be spending our life? Should we put all our trust and all our hope and all our effort in having fun in this life? Or is there more to it? And to do this with me, inshallah, and discuss this with me is Ustaz Abdur-Rahman Hassan, salam alaikum As I mentioned, we're in this world, that's obvious But from an Islamic perspective, what can we say? What is the reality of this life that we live? Alhamdulillah, ya Rabbi ala'alameen Wa salatu wa salam ala ashraf al anbiya'i wal mursaleen Sayyidina wa nabiyina Muhammad Wa ala alihi wa sahabihi wa tabi'ina lahum bihsaleen ila yawmi al deen amma ba'd When it comes to the reality of this world Allah, the Almighty, in the Quran, when He described this world He described it as something that's hasty Dunya is something that's going by fast It's not something that's going to remain Allah says At the beginning of the ayah, Allah says Anyone who wants this hasty world Allah referred to the dunya as what? Aajila It's something that's really quick and fast That goes fast Has no real permanent value No, it doesn't In another ayah, Allah says That came after That the Akhira has greater stations The Akhira is more gracious and more beneficial And for the people And that's why Allah says in the third ayah That this world is only a time of joy And amazement That's all it really is Allah says And hereafter Hereafter It is the life that is consistent And it's continuous And it will forever remain And it goes insane And it will carry on Forever forever forever And that's why the Akhira is going to remain forever If you look at the life span of the Ummah today Or if you look at the life span of the people in general What is their life span?  The most The majority of the people live is 70 60 to 70 people It's quite funny because people often think Oh that was in the old days And now we have good medicine and good technology But at the same time On the flip side of that People eat much worse So many processed foods So much lack of exercise Many people do So you find people are still Not reaching those kind of ages Because of the bad diets And so whatever you try and say That's reality Still until now Most people go between those kind of ages And what's actually shocking is that The people who die young Are more than those who die older The reality and the statistics show That the people who die young Are more than those who die old But it's so shocking that We actually believe that we're going to live We're going to reach an old age And that we're probably going to repent later And that we're going to come to Allah How many people actually live even 70? Very little As you mentioned A lot of people are dying from You know the lack of You know fitness Or people are dying from the food That they eat You know And etc Also The Messenger of Allah said When he spoke about the dunya like When Allah spoke about the dunya like that As we mentioned in those ayat When he was reading the adjala About Jannah And about the life of the dunya And what this life of the dunya Is to have no one to play with When Allah described the dunya like that It also became the Prophet Aslam's way In other words He, peace be upon him, saw this dunya To be something that's going to go fast When he was building it Or when he was digging the trench With his companions He was saying with his companions The Hadith And I said to him I said to him I said to him Allahumma la'a'isha illa'isha al-akhira Fawfiil lil ansari wal muhajira Allahumma la'a'isha Allah There's no life Except what? Except the life of the hierafta Meaning Wa inaddara al-akhira tana hi al-hayawan That the hierafta Is the real life And the sahabas Rabi Allahu ta'ala They adopted that concept And so they lived this world Knowing something that's going to go by fast Allah says Allah mentions here The one who stands at night He's praying And he's fearful of Allah Hoping from Allah And then Allah says And he's cautious about the hierafta Why is he cautious of the hierafta?  Three things What are the three things? The first one is Ahluhu is family The second one is Maluhu is wealth And the third one is His actions and his deeds The Prophet then said Fa yarji'u atnaan Two will come back And one will remain In other words It will remain with him in his grave What is the one that's going to remain with him? The Prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam He said Fa yabqaa amaluhu His actions is what's going to remain So what's the action that's going to remain? An action that was built upon two pillars One of the two pillars Doing what you were told to do And staying away from that Which you were told to stay away from An action that was built upon sincerity Doing it only for Allah's sake And doing it as the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam Did and what he said That is the individual who Who would face in this world Or the hereafter To live the life of the hereafter If you look at the Quran And you turn over the Quran It always mentions also death Which is the opposite of this life And how Every single one of us Is going to die Allah says in the Quran kullu nafsin da'iqatul-mout wa inna mat wa fauna ujoorakum yawm al-qiyamah fa manzuhzih ha'anin nari wa utkhilal janata faqatifaz wa man hayatiduniya illa mata'u l-ghurur Allah also says kullu man ariha faan wa yabqaa wa tfu rabbika thul-janali wa l-ikram Allah says in the ayah wa ma kanali nafsin Allah says wa ma ja'anna li-bashali min qablika l-khuld affa'im mittafahum ul-kharidun You know, those ayat All of them are mentioning That every single person Is going to die And pass away That they're going to leave this world To the extent Allah tells us That there's going to come a day When everybody dies And the only one that remains Allah Allah says يومهم بارزون لا يخفع على الله منهم شيء لمن الملك اليوم لله الوحيد القهار There's going to come a day When Allah asks Who is the king? Who is the supreme? Who is the most powerful? And there is not a person Who is able to respond Except Allah He's the only one who can respond And so he responds by saying لله الوحيد القهار So Death is حت ملازم So it's something that's going to come And this world as I mentioned Unfortunately we see people They act differently many times They act like There is no afterlife And that this world is You have that ridiculous saying يولو You only live once So a lot of people have that mentality And that's something we often hear people saying Do this You only live once I might as well do all of this Because you only live once When the reality is You only live twice Meaning and the second one is the It's the hereafter And this is the more permanent And this is the more important one So this is a big problem That people have taken on this mentality Of now of like You only live once So just do man Make the most of it Whatever you want to do صحيح There is a famous hadith And Imam al-Bukhari narrated From the hadith عبادة بنصامة رضي الله تعالى عنه Where the prophet Said this shows that When the person doesn't He just lives this world He just lives for this world And he doesn't really Understand this another life The prophet said to us In this hadith عبادة بنصامة And Imam al-Bukhari من أحب لقاء الله أحب الله لقاء ومن كريها لقاء الله كريها الله لقاء This hadith mentions Anyone who loves to meet Allah Loves to meet them And anyone who dislikes Meeting Allah Then Allah dislikes to meet them قالت عائشة Or بعض أزواجي The narrator He was doubtful Is it عائشة who said this Or is it some of his wives What did she say إنّا لنكره الموت She thought that When the prophet said Anyone who loves to meet Allah Allah loves to meet him And anyone who dislikes Meeting Allah Allah dislikes meeting him She understood عائشة رضي الله عنها Or whichever wife it was They understood it as It's that we hate death She said يا رسول الله إنّا لنكره الموت We won't dislike like death We don't like it And the prophet He said to عائشة Or whichever wife it was He said to her The issue isn't that But it is The believer إذا حضر الموت When death comes to him وَبُشْهِرَ بِرِضْغَانِ اللَّهِ And he's told about Allah's You know the gratinies That are awaiting for him And the good that's going to be On the other side for him What does he do You know And he's told Allah's mercy is going to come on him And the honour that's going to await him What does he do You know أحبَّ لقاء الله He's very happy to meet Allah now And Allah is happy to meet him And the opposite is the disbeliever And the wrongdoer And the criminal Who believed on this concept You just mentioned You only live once Who didn't live for the hereafter Who only lived for this dunya He only This was all of it for him He only knows this dunya And he's ignorant about the hereafter This individual When he The angel of death comes to him And he's told about the عداب and the رقوب that awaits him The punishment And the destruction that awaits him You know He doesn't want to meet Allah And Allah doesn't want to meet him Subhanahu wa ta'ala We don't know when we're going to die We don't know when our time is going to come When we're going to pass away We're unaware of it Allah mentions to us That there is no soul that dies Except that it dies at a point in time Allah says Everyone of us Like we're dying at a At a written time We don't know where it's going to be What land we're going to die What time we're going to die In whose presence we're going to die In what way we're going to die We don't know This is from the الملغيب It's from the knowledge that we don't know of And Allah is the only one who knows it We don't know when we're going to be resurrected as well We just know that there's an angel of death Who has been You know Assigned to take our souls Allah says I'll just hold you on that point And insha'Allah We're going to go for a break Join us after this break As-salamu alaykum And welcome back Now I stood up just before the break You know we're emphasizing That no one No one knows when their time is No one knows when that will happen And no one has a guarantee that they will live For another minute Or another year Or another 10 years Now I guess you could say then People in this life The way they act towards This life You could say they're different categories So maybe we can go through some of those categories Or the types of people who How they view this worldly life Now So The way that a person lived in this world Is what their last moments The effects of their last moment in this world And the way they're going to be You see as I mentioned before We don't know when we're going to die One of the hikmah Ibn Ulqayn mentions Rahimahullahu ta'ala Ibn Ulrajah mentions it So Rajuddin Ibn Ulqayni Ibn Ulqayni However you want to say it They all mention that The person He doesn't know when he's going to die Because of the wisdom of coming with righteous deeds Like you're always on your This could be your last moment The people who don't understand that concept Who manage to just Enjoy themselves Go against Allah's commands Do as they want This reflects of their last moments in this life Meaning they don't die a good death Allah ta'ala told us To jazowna a daba al-hooni bima kuntum taqooloona A lallahi ghayran al-haq Wa kuntum anayati ta-stakbirun Allah ta'ala ta'ala Ibn Ulqayni Ibn Ulrajah And he's telling the prophet But Ibn Ulqayni Ibn Ulqayni Ibn Ulrajah Is not talking about the reason Even though it's the prophet It's been spoken to here But it doesn't specifically mean him alone It means everybody Wa lau ta'ala ibn Ulrajah Muhammad if you see the criminals The wrongdoers Where in the world Wa lau ta'ala ibn Ulrajah In the grave of death When they're in the agony of death Wa lmalaika tubasit wa adihim And the angels have spread their wings in them And the angels then say to them Akhiriju anfusakum Bring out your nafs now In other words they can't do that It's to belittle them Akhiriju anfusakum liyoma To jazowna a daba al-hooni Today you're going to be Punished With a severe punishment Why? What's the reason?  That they're going to suffer The consequences for them is serious They're going to die Agony of death Pain The opposite are the slaves Who are righteous Upright Allah says about them Allah tells us Allah tells us Those who said Allah is our Lord And when they said that It wasn't just a mere claim They didn't just say That Allah is our Lord They didn't just say that Allah says They were steadfast upon that statement They lived by that statement We believe in Allah They lived by it Istiqama is not what you and I interpreted Allah tells us in the Quran Fa staqim kama umirta Be steadfast as you were commanded A lot of people you see them today say You know I fear Allah in my own way Or I do it in my own way And who are you to judge me This is the way I do it This means that Allah knows my heart is good That's just Istiqama on how you've personally perceived it That's not Istiqama Allah wants you to come with And also it's interesting Because you mentioned about the heart Everyone says you know I'm doing these bad things These haram things But I have a good heart But we know that Allah says That in your body There is a morsel of flesh Meaning the heart If it is correct and sound Like you say it is Don't look at my Don't look at all these sins I'm doing bro Honestly I have a really good heart If that's the case What was the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam said Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam said That the whole body Meaning the actions you're doing with your body Will be good halal actions So the reality is Even if you feel That you have a really good pious heart You cannot have a really good pious heart And at the same time Be doing really bad evil sins There's definitely going to be some problem there You know You don't have that heart That you think you have It's so true When we look at Ibn-Uqaym Rahim Allah said something I had a discussion with one person I said to him Instaqama Even if we say Hypothetically that your heart has steadfast Then why have you left Instaqama of the tongue Instaqama of your limbs Instaqama of the other parts of your body Each part requires istaqama So even if you did come Instaqama from the heart We do say You have istaqama in your heart Then you're missing The istaqama of your limbs And you're missing istaqama of your tongue Ibn-Uqaym says Those are the three types of istaqama And he said The most important one of them is the heart And then he mentions the statement Which is وَاَكُلُ الْإِلَاِمْ بِالْلَّذِ فِيْهِ عَمْضَحُوا Every vessel or you sweat was inside it If you want to know If the water is cold You don't put your finger inside it You can just find that If the water is cold from outside You just grab it And you say It's cold water But you don't need to Put your finger into it That is an indication to show that What's inside you will show on your limbs It will be seen on your limbs So Allah says اِنَّ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا رَبُّنَ اللَّهُ ثُمَّ اِسْتَقَامُوا And they are steadfast The qawwal that is brought Ibn-Ujarid of Tabari brings about اِنَّ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا رَبُّنَ اللَّهُ ثُمَّ اِسْتَقَامُوا They are steadfast It's good to go back to it The word istaqama What he brings That أُمَرَضِ الْعَعَنُوا His statement أَبُبَكَرُ وَالِسْتَقَامَ أَبُبَكَرُ سَالِسْتَقَامَ It means that you come with Allah And it should become It should be أُمَرَضِ الْعَعَنُوا He said The person doesn't look around Like the fox In other words He's just straight on the path He's not getting distracted And he's not falling In shubuha'at and shahu'at But then it's fascinating What does Allah say after that اِنَّ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا رَبُّنَ اللَّهُ ثُمَّ اِسْتَقَامُوا تَتَنَزَّلُوا عَرِهِمُ الْمَلَائِكِنَ When they're on their moments of death The last moment تَتَنَزَّلُوا عَرِهِمُ الْمَلَائِكِنَ Angels would be descending on them What would they say to them? Two things اَلَّا تَخَافُوا وَلَا تَحْزَنُوا Two great mufassireen Two great scholars Explain what it means اَلَّا تَخَافُوا وَلَا تَحْزَنُوا What is Abdullah ibn Abbas And what is Mujahid ibn Jabrin Do you know what they said?  Over there Because of the hadith اِحْفَضِ اللَّهَ يَحْفَضْكِ اِحْفَضِ اللَّهَ تَجِتُوا تُجَاكِ إِلَا سَأَلْتَ فَسَأَلْهَ اِبْلَا عَبَّاسِ which is the surah of Tirmidhi Ibn Rajab, may Allah be pleased He wrote a whole explanation on this hadith اِحْفَضِ اللَّهَ يَحْفَضْكَ إِلَا قِتَابُ which He called it نُورُ الِقْتِبَاسِ في مِشكاتِ وَصِيَّةِ وَصِيَّةِ وَصِيَّةِ النَّبِ صَلْعَ عَبَّاسِ something like that So the angels say to you don't be scared of us وَلَا تَحْزَلُوا What does it mean?  We're going to take care of all that for you With the command of Allah We're going to take care of all that for you This is an indication of the two parties Allah says وَلَوْتَرَائِذِ الظَّالِمُونَ فِي غَبَرَاتِ الْمَوْتِ وَالْمَلَائِكَ تُبَاصِطْ وَأَيْدِهِمْ أَخْرِجُ أَنْفُسَكُمْ لِيَوْمَ تُجِزَوْنَ عَذَابَ الْهُونِ بِمَا كُنتُمْ تَقُولُونَ وَكُنتُمْ عَنَا يَتِ تَسْتَكْبِرُونَ So we see on one side the ones who were the wrongdoers or the ones who did not believe as they should they will be receiving from the angels you could say tidings of punishment or bad tidings whereas the ones who have this istiqama this remaining steadfast they will be given good tidings from the angels I mean there's a long, long hadith in Musnadi Ma'a Mahmadan hadith Ibrahim Al-Azb Rabiya Allahu Ta'ala, there's a long hadith Ahmad Narees in his Musnadi and Ibrahim Al-Kathir brings it in his tafsir in the ayah يثبت الله الذين آمنوا بالقول اثبت في الحياة الجنيا وفي الأخرى ويضلوا الله ظالمين ويفعلوا الله ما يشعصوا الابراهيم He brings it there Ibrahim Al-Kathir It's a long hadith when the person is like the story of the two people were departing the two types of people were departing from this world the believer, the mu'min and the fasq how their situation both are and the way that they are so the truth of the matter is we have to all understand is this world that we're giving all our heart to we're giving our mind we're investing everything it's a place that's going to go it's going to leave this world you want brought here for you to put everything into it you were brought into this world to be as the prophet, peace be upon him said to the campaigner be in this world as a stranger or a person who's crossing a road I was fascinated the other day because I was reading the Qalam of Salah al-Dina I was reading his works and he said something very powerful he said that the companions were so spiritually invested and they were so connected to the hereafter they were so connected to the hereafter that they walked away from the dunya they gave nothing to it they walked away from it and then Allah had to remind them and say to them don't forget your portion of this dunya because Islam is for the idea of combining between materialistic and spirituals together whereas modern western civilization is based all on what is all based on materialism and we always make that we always say give me good in this life and in the hereafter and save me or protect me from the punishment of the fire so there's this balance and that's why Allah says in the Nada ayah this is the hereafter this is the hereafter what does Allah say Allah says that is the hereafter that is Jannah that is you know who have we made it for who owns the hereafter who has got it well in the hereafter the one who has it is the one who didn't want in this world to be high and to be pushed up or to transgress on others he's just that simple easy humble person that's the one who's going to receive the hereafter and what did Alika remember no way in this Kitab at the beginning of this Kitab he mentions a very strong line of poetry he says Allah has righteous slaves they divorced this dunya they divorced this dunya they looked at the dunya and they observed it they rise wise people and they realized the reality of this dunya they divorced this dunya and they feared fitna but they realized one thing when they realized that this world hasn't got a place for a righteous person has no room for them what did they do they used the whole dunya as a place to start just to come with righteous deeds and that's the truth today the way I woke up and where I woke up from and what I ate maybe better than what you ate or maybe lower than what you had no one knows but it won't tell on our faces it won't tell on our lives so however simple you live in this world a dry bread can quench your hunger as much as a 10,000 pound restaurant can quench your hunger both can so it's important we understand this dunya the creator who owns it he said I'll just hold you on that point and we'll just go for this break join us after the break and we'll come back just before the break you mentioned that this world in the sight of Allah doesn't even equal to the wing of a mosquito you see if you know iPhone the owners of iPhone, Apple they was to come out and say look Apple has a problem and they went to put it down and they said it's faulty they said it and we don't like Apple and Apple is bad if they were to say that would the people take it from them they're the owners, they're the ones who made it they're the ones who created it yeah Apple will go down if the owner of Apple and the guys who made it the manufacturers send out a message saying our phones are faulty everybody will take it back to the store and what they will wait for is a refund for example Allah has a what has a great example for example Allah has a great example the creator of this world saying to you it doesn't weigh in my eyes Allah is saying this the wing of a mosquito this world because it has no weight even this believer can enjoy it the one that means Allah to Allah has a place in the eyes of Allah is the hereafter and that is why the believer what and therefore the scholars they say Ibn Al Qaib and others they say the fact Allah gives you something in this world it has no relationship with Allah loving you or hating you the dunya doesn't mean anything to Allah it has no weight in the eyes of Allah that's why a believer has this dunya and even nonbeliever can have the dunya so if we understood that concept and we really digested that point then we would come to live our life where we wouldn't give much weight to this dunya I don't want people to think when I say all of this that we should just sit at home and you know not do anything and have no aspiration to achieve anything now what I mean by that is that when you work in this dunya you're not working for it alone that's what's important achieve in this dunya whatever you want to achieve whatever you want to become in this world but you do it on the expense of the hereafter that's my message you don't give your heart and mind to this dunya on the expense of the hereafter and if you do achieve something in this world doesn't show nor does it indicate that you have gained the love of Allah nor does it indicate that Allah hates you nor does it indicate that Allah hates you it can give you all of this wealth it can be and it can't be it can be either of the two but what really matters is what's your intention how do you observe this dunya Allah says about the disbelievers they eat and they are enjoying themselves that's all the world is for them eat, drink, sleep and go to work again eat, sleep and drink that's all it is for them the believer is not like that the believer knows this world meaning is that you live this world because you know Allah created you to come to this world and to worship Him alone Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala and not to associate partners with Him that's why when they said when they died the people of Istiqama Allah said to them that's where they were then told don't be scared don't be nervous don't be anxious and you know it's amazing when you don't connect yourself to this dunya too much and you don't give the dunya everything okay it doesn't hurt you when the hard times come because you're not connected to it the heart is not too attached to it it's when you attach your heart to it and your life becomes about this dunya it hurts you when you things don't go the way that you want it to go and it pleases you when things go according to how you want it when he's like Allah he says that they are the ones when they're given what they want they're happy when they don't get what they want they are angry a person who's like that is because he's connected himself to the dunya too much so much that there's nothing else for him other than this so if he loses it he gets depressed anxieties now that the world has reached the pinnacle of scientific discoveries the world's reached the pinnacle of development the increase in mental illnesses has grown the increase on of anxieties the increase of depression the increase of all of these illnesses why? because people have connected themselves to what? materialism materialistic things and they've detached themselves from that which was important which was their spirit their spiritual side and now their heart is dehydrated and they're having suicidal thoughts and etc the other day I was watching a show and then one of the famous guy in the famous scene and he he's talking about and he's been spoken about right now he's famous like that everyone's talking about he's got a fight coming up he's talking about how he had suicidal thoughts he was the heavyweight champion undisputed heavyweight champion never been knocked out knocked out I think 19 or 18 you know he has what? suicidal thoughts he's like every single day when I wake up I have suicidal thoughts I don't want to live anymore you have to ask yourself what is it that made this person feel like this it's all based upon the perception of this world and it's reality it's different from how a believer looks at it Ibrahim Ibn Adham and Abu Yusuf when they both went together and they went to the they went to the edge of the ocean and they started to both dip in their bread they had dry bread so they started dipping it in until it gets moist and then they eat it and then they say to each other both of them say to each other Ibrahim Ibn Adham says to Abu Yusuf he says if the kings if the kings and the children of the kings were to know the happiness and the joy that we're going through they would have taken their souls out and they would try to take away the happiness from us but you see dipping that bread into the ocean and the heart and its feeling it shows you that it's not necessarily to have wealth which makes you happy you know the story of a man happened in Somalia he owned a shop he owned a shop and he employed a couple of people you know his employees I mean of course he wasn't giving them much a lot because of the price over there Somalia is not that much but he worked for him loyalty was high one day he locked his shop as he always does and he started to count the money how much he made today he couldn't count the money because there was outside the shop there was one of the employees who was sleeping there snoring so he didn't know who it was he could hear the snoring he's counting the money so he opens the shop comes out and he looks at who's sleeping he wakes him up he says what are you doing here so he tells him that you know he doesn't have a place to go to he doesn't have so much money to come so he just sleeps here and he goes to work from here and he hit him because he's the one who owns the shop he's the one who's counting the money that's made and he's the one who's stressed so much Somalia is not he's sleeping on the on the porch of the shop just simple life he's not stressed no hardship no money he's stressed so this is indication that it's Allah's how Allah treats your heart we know that you mentioned a while earlier that it's not based upon what Allah gives you whether or not you're loved by him and that's why you see sometimes the worst of people have maybe sometimes the most money but we know that Allah obviously is the lord of everybody he's the rub of everybody he cultivates and nurtures everybody but we know that this special this special cultivation is of giving us hidayahs only for those who he loves so you may not have been given wealth but if you've been given this hidayah this guidance, this is a sign that Allah loves you and have the latest sports cars but if you've been giving this guidance and you've been chosen by Allah this is ultimately a sign of Allah's love not the wealth necessarily yes Muhammad you can't guide whoever you wish but Allah guides whoever he will and Allah knows who deserves to be guided if a person realizes the value of the value of guidance and what he's been given I remember I went back to Somalia and my sheikh he requested for me to buy to get him a manuscript when I went back to Somalia he asked me to get him a manuscript and the manuscript was a kitab by sheikh Abdelman Nasser al-Saudi it was a reseller on the issue of itilaf unity and not to dispute one another and to differ so I think the reseller is called the reseller is called the re-reseller so he asked me for a manuscript I researched I looked for it because I was in Qasiba at that time so I found it in a market in Riyadh I found it in a market in Riyadh when I found it and I called the sons of Abdelman Nasser al-Saudi and they helped me and whatever we got the manuscript and I went to the sheikh the amount of money that I also had and I also had the manuscript so I went to the sheikh I gave him the money first that I planned for him and others the reason I'm telling this is because of something that really touched me from it and I also gave him the manuscript before I gave him the money I gave him the money it was in an envelope he put it inside when I gave him the manuscript the joy and the happiness I saw in his face I did not see when I gave him the money and he said something to me he said to me if today could be a celebration it would have been a celebration for me they could be considered a celebration today he would have celebrated this day the hunger and the need that he had for that manuscript and that's it so like no worth was it to him the money no value did it hold for him another funny story with that sheikh he orders manuscripts to be sent from him from Turkey from the Makati of Islam from Turkey they sent him manuscripts they sent it to him so it was brought to his attention that they are overcharging him they are taking too much money from him and this money shouldn't be spent towards the manuscript it could be reduced and the love he has for the manuscripts that have been sent to him and he was like no I don't want it whatever they ask we will find a way to collect money he doesn't even have money we'll find a way to collect money and send it to them it shows you that what means more to the righteous people is Akhirah as Allah said in the beginning of the verse that we mentioned the end of the world and Akhirah is the best


Hey traders, this is T Bradley 90 from the my investing club chat I'm one of the top mentors and moderators in chat as a special gift to our viewers on YouTube We have created a free two-hour course to help teach you how to start a consistently profitable trading business and identify high-paying setups in just 30 days There will be limited seating every week so register for the course and reserve your spot now Using the link in the description as a special bonus for everyone that watches the entire video We will give you the link to a free 10-hour additional mini course that has never been released to the public Register now before all slots completely fill up so today I'm gonna go over key traders of the week Every week I kind of go over the market sentiment and talk about you know, you know, what's up? What's up? You know, what's up Corey? Just try to talk about what's up in the market small caps large caps kind of you know What which side of the field I'm playing on as far as like aggressive side of conservative side or long side? If am I covering my lungs, you know quicker am I selling my shorts sooner than normal right talk about market sentiment Then I want to get into a couple of trader topics and fallacies that come up in in in the calls and the and my PMs throughout the week over the current stocks in play and Today we're I'm gonna be ranting about an issue that I'm really passionate about That hopefully you guys stick around to see and at the end we're gonna I'm gonna invite Alex on we're gonna tackle the Q&A together alright So just some trades I took this week that I feel like had some some merit to it you Roku was a continuation trade I tried to do now. This was right after the market today had a huge slam Hopefully that's quieter. Yeah, so Roku was a continuation trade I took today Kind of I was hoping that like I wasn't hoping that the market would completely crash But I thought that there was a huge spied up on manufacturing numbers And I thought that would kind of really bring down the market And so I mean evident, you know in hindsight market totally recovered way stronger than I ever thought it could I think Trump like said something about China negotiations after that totally That totally saved it Yeah, Sam said he took the same exact trade on it I mean, this is like the cover of the century, right? So anyway, like we slam red and there's like a support line barely and I'm thinking this is dead cat bounce stuff I have a very easy tight stop when red to green. I would take this trade nine times out of ten because it's just it's so Aesthetically easy to take right? It's just so wow, it's a it's a nice pop dead cat right into prior close It's so easy. It was such an easy trade. So I just took it Amazon I kind of had the same idea on Amazon and so like Amazon I kind of had a like I was kind of trying to base my trade off of this not 1698 1700 level trying to scale into the dead cat bounce but Like right it around here the market was just recovering like I was planning on skating all the way up to VWAP But the market was just recovering so strong that I kind of ditched that and I eventually just covered it So this was this was another I was trying to break my Roku I was trying to like combine Amazon and Roku like I thought they were both like Roku's been so weak on on the daily and Amazon looks like it's about to roll over on the daily So I was trying to sort the spy, you know via these two kind of diversified Kind of trades a little bit both of them didn't work out. So I lost on both of them today Same exact, you know same exact Play I was I was risking this stall here kind of this, you know Reverse of what a first bounce notch might be the 1678 1700 area and like it totally wasn't working out So I cut that one So that continuation didn't work And this is what happened. So I was basing my trade off the spy And so in a way in my thesis was kind of right, right? Like these both of these stocks were covered with with the spy Right, so I just I thought the spy was gonna at least go and see the spy like fell all the way to this 285 level and if you look on the daily chart the spies 285 level is such a huge important level like it's a level that held the last couple of Times the market had fear in the market and so like we slammed down here to 285 And I was so certain that like this would just go this was just the first bounce on 285 and that we were going to get a retest the IVE I actually so funny story about this one I actually recorded this trade live and I just haven't Ever released it because it's like it's just kind of like it's like a six minute video like seven minute video One two three four five six. I think I started like right here No, it's just like a six or seven minute video and like it's not really I mean It's a success like I bailed out before totally collapsed, but I mean, it's not really a success I don't know if it's worth it You guys can let me know if you guys want me to release it But like I did get a couple pms about this trade because I go how'd you get out so fast and I mean I could show You I recorded it so let me know if you guys want that one. I mean, it's only it's pretty self-explanatory That's why I didn't think about it, but This trade was the first bounce This trade was the first bounce attempt But and so the first bounce here I mean, there's there's like a perfect notch and at the six dollar level and it's about 50 percent retracement from the start Of the move at 550 is almost 650 six like we have one two three lining up in a row right my favorite elements of the first bounce You do have a little notch and just as a recap What do not like what do notches mean a notch means on its way up it hesitated and stalled at a level right? This was this is a hesitation or a stall right here at six dollars which means that there is some form of There is some form of resistance there right You UV XY. Yeah, so this was just a you know one of those quicks, you know small trades I did a momentum scalp. This is also like a first bounce. So this was a few days ago So the one of the like we had a this is the first time TVX had pop TVX and UV XY and the VIX had popped And you quite a bit and these are almost my favorite days to play UV XY It's it's a set up a kind of been tracking for a while the very first day that there is It's a good back test. I did the very first day of A fear move or some kind of panic move Like that that spikes the UV XY or the VIX is they typically have a very nice first bounce because Just it's just the nature of the spy like everyone like everyone like gets afraid like it's the first fear in a very long time It's almost like the the first time philosophy that what we talked about the last time is the very first first bounce of the fear So it typically works pretty well. So But this one idea I wasn't trying to find the bottom I wanted to see the initial strength first, but that's what I do on scouts. I don't need to get the exact bottom and top So yeah, it's a good first bouncer on the first fear in a long time And so these small winches add up throughout the week You don't need any home runs as long as you can avoid the trouble. This is what you're looking for Just small small stuff to to keep you out of trouble And you is a good one this week. This is this is a classic SSR wash. This is one of my favorite patterns, right? um Originally, I had orders down here in the 60s and I was a little hesitant like I think I had I think I had an order in the 60 But I canceled it because I was trying to see how far the SSR You know stacking through the downside would go so I was like, you know what it's now so far down I can actually just wait for like the turn to happen And that's kind of what I did the UV XY I wait for the turn to happen and I get in right and so that's what I did but this one is it's an SSR big wash like this 4320 and Like low a day low a day wash and I'm trying to see how much lower it's gonna go and I try to Get it right after the bottoms made all right, so This week has been kind of depressing for me like Honestly, like this market participant list is normally like so full I'm cutting like the the non movers a low volume stock There was really not much. I I felt had really any kind of volume or movement this week and nothing ever nothing met met or met or broke any expectations I had Of holding besides maybe me today, right? Like all of everything just kind of just But everything just kind of broke down just no continuation no fall through stuff's left and right small caplan is just Cricket mode right now The only positive I see is that like the spies massive tank today totally reclaimed Probably the strongest Recovery I've seen in a very long time Just immediately like that straight verticals like all the way back up above above green to green on the day That's a positive But yeah, the I am our end like tank and the VI be massive stuff Just basically scaring this living shit out of longs right now like like OBLN was kind of like the OBLN Stuffs today were kind of I almost like a testament to how scared longs are no one's willing to Buy near higher day because nobody has any faith that breakouts are going to happen So the anticipation longs are out and that's probably I don't even know I can't even say this with any confidence Anticipation longs have to be a huge percentage of the longs because they're kind of what help push stocks over high a day Perfect man.  I know it was so sick That was a good time. I have you had Chick-fil-A since then.  I mean back where you can't or I'll bake it back here. You can't exist over 140 so Shit you learn something new every day What's up, and did you trade today? What was what was kind of going through your head today, dude?  It's like three points straight down and I was like There's like that first shot where did that bounce short that you were looking at I was actually watching the spy as well.     I think it was like 20% on the day like 25% on the day Yeah Yeah, there was really nothing it's like you're like you said we're we're kind of like scalping peanuts these days just to kind of get the Itch out of our system But the truth of the matter is that like you said these are the moments where shorts feel the most in control where There's the high likelihood where runners gonna come back and you know historically October and November is lak e a qxp Drys all that shit. So I mean if what was it last was arcade?   So Yeah, let's let's go through it. Yeah, dude. That's what I'm waiting for like on a day-to-day basis like OBLM had like a six million share flow. I don't think it's gonna be something I think it's gonna be like the two million share floaters like the one to twos It's gonna be something that like pops up 30 40 percent and like, you know It's just gonna it's gonna have something like this like tank in the morning And it's gonna have that classic reclaim setup in the morning and I'm waiting for it every day Yep, exactly man. Exactly. I mean Look, bro. Yes, there's what was that other one the p-stock. Let me pull up my chart PdSTV pdsv pdsv.  I was trying to go lose that five and I was like, I wasn't ready like I was like Shit, yeah, yeah, because you know, you know, it's coming down Yeah, I mean the the play I was doing was just the first was this is around five and I did a thousand shares And you know, I was okay losing 20 cents 30 cents 300 bucks On it but like realistically I really shouldn't even be taking those trades. Those are trades that like I'm doing to scratch my trader itch I'm doing this because like if I don't do it. I know that the next day I'm going to have FOMO So like a lot of people ask like I don't I'm kind of going on tangent But you know, a lot of people ask like what do you do to kind of cure FOMO? How do you control yourself and No, for me personally, everyone has like a different method to their madness, but say for example Let's say my max size is 10,000 shares, right?  He's like, all right. What can I scalper out here?  You got five missed trade.  You're right.  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Okay, welcome to part three of this requirements engineering module and we'll now talk about requirements specification. So as mentioned in the first video, this is essentially how to write them down. In language, in text, drawn as a model, putting them into a tool in many cases, for example something like Jira, which you have maybe already seen. So it is all about somehow getting them into written form and it's not that easy to decide as a first step how you should actually write them and who is the receiver of these documents. For example, the classical case is that you write requirements so that they can be developed. So you give them to your developers and say here, please write the system that fulfills these requirements. That's one purpose. Then you might need to be quite specific on the details of the system, how should it really work or what should it do rather. Often you actually avoid how because that's up to the developers. But it might also be, for example, for contracting. So it might be a document and that's what you sign a contract on based on the specifications for example, you as a developer, you as a development organization, you write the specification, you discuss it with the client and then you sign a contract and say this is what we have to deliver. And that might require a completely different kind of specification than for developers. So it's not that easy to mix these two. Now sometimes you need to have the requirements written down so that you can explain them to other stakeholders. And this might be for contracting to your client, but it might also be that you have to write them down to explain them to a user. And a user has often not the same knowledge as for example your developers. So if you write your specification to explain it to an end user, maybe you need to avoid certain kinds of technical terminology. You need to explain in more detail what certain functions are for and so on. So again, you need a completely different level of abstraction for example. And in many cases, requirement specifications are used to document what you have done. So you might have to send this to a regulator to get your software certified or approved that says okay, this is what we have developed. Is this okay? Yes or no? And then they might say well, it looks fine, but you have a breaking function in your car and that needs to be developed in a certain safety process that nothing can go wrong or it can be as good as possible for example. Or a very common way of documentation is this software has to live and be maintained for 10, 20 years.  And that's often a problem if you have an existing system, it's not documented, the requirements are not documented well, then it's very hard to change this because you don't know if you touch one part of the system, other parts might be affected. So that's another purpose. So depending on what you have, you need different kinds of abstractions, you need different kinds of ways of writing your requirements, you need different information. And often this is actually done in different documents or in different sources. So you might have an internal documentation in one tool that is for the developers and maybe for documentation for the future so that you know what you develop and you might have some kind of user manual that explains the requirements to the users and you might have a contracting document for the client so that they can actually sign off what you are going to develop. So these are typical purposes you can probably invent more here. Now how do we do this? By far the most common way is natural language statements. And this means one sentence per requirement that explains what the system shall do. It's these typical, the system shall be offering voice functionality to enable the radio for example. So it's just the natural language as you would write everything else but usually to avoid problems what you do and that's also what Somer will recommend is you invent some kind of standard format. For example this shell, every requirement has to be something like the system shall do X. The system shall do X. And then sometimes you also for example use shell if it's required and you use should if it's more optional but that's already quite a fine distinction. You should avoid some kind of jargon or unclear terminology. So often you tend to use things that are easy to understand from the context for example you are always talking to the client, you do all the contracting, you know all the details but if you do this in a, if you give this to a developer they might not understand that. So it's very important to make sure that every term that you use is clear, is understood by everyone. Now another thing that's very common and that's very problematic is to use and or statements. The system shall offer user commands for radio and something else. So that's basically already two requirements and especially if you use or the system shall use, shall offer voice commands to enable the radio or the lights. Does that actually mean that you have to do both or is it fine to do either? So usually the hardcore requirements engineering people would say don't do these, that's two different requirements. So if you have an and or an or just split it into two sentences and then you have two different requirements. So that's these kind of recommendations you will also find them in the Somerville book. A bit more extreme is to have requirements with a predefined structure. That's something you see for example in embedded systems very often that they have a number of they call them template sentences. So certain words are already fixed and you basically have to fill in the gaps. And these are suitable if you have for example systems that are very similar so you know what kind of requirements there are and you can define them in a certain way. For example embedded systems you always have a number of requirements that are quite similar and they might define, they might use these predefined structures and the reason is simply if you have these predefined structures you can make sure everyone in the organization understands what they mean. If you have free natural language you can write whatever you want. We have the problem that natural language is very ambiguous so one thing written down can mean a lot of different things and that's one of the big problems of specifying requirements. So how can you make sure that everyone understands it in exactly the same way? One way to do so have a predefined structure. One of them which you might know and which we will also use in this course is the so-called user story format. So what this is is a sentence that is called as a persona. I'd like to do and then you have the functionality and then usually you add in order to or so that I can. Now what we have here is the functionality itself. What would the stakeholder like to do? I would like to use voice commands for example so that you remove the do. The next information you have is who exactly would like to do that and finally you have the why of it. So the good thing about this format is in the typical language structure, in the natural language sentences you just have this statement. If you read that it's often very unclear why you need that and for whom this is important and that's the information that's included in this user story format. So you directly tell for example a developer we need this because there is a certain rationale behind it and it's important for this kind of persona, for this kind of stakeholder, for this kind of end user for example. And this is for example how we will write the requirements in the project. It's very common in agile development as well so this is quite a popular format nowadays. Also if you read the Somerville book he also recommends for example in natural language statements to also always include the rationale why is something needed. And the reason is quite simple imagine for example the system is finished, it's developed and five years later someone comes and says we need to change X, we need to add a new functionality, then often it's really hard to decide why are certain things in this system, why did we implement the voice commands, does this make any sense. And then if you know the rationale you can often decide is this something we still need or is this something we need to remove. And the other important thing is it actually tells the developer some kind of details that might help him or her to decide how to implement this. For example if you say as a driver I would like to use voice commands to enable the radio in order to not be for example not be interrupted in my driving. So that as a developer you know the usability is quite important. If the user has to say a lot of different things and has to listen to the response then maybe you are not fulfilling this rationale. They are still being distracted so this is not fulfilled. If you have this extra information you know that okay we need to do this in a certain way. So this is quite a valuable information often. What else do we have? There is something that is called a form based requirement or specification. And that's basically as if you are online and you fill in let's say registration form. It's basically a number of fields that are predefined and very common is for example that every requirement has an ID, a requirement might have a priority, a requirement has some kind of description for example a natural language sentence. So it's just a number of fields that you have to fill in or that are optional. And this is really the standard in all the requirements engineering tools. So usually they use something like this, a natural language statement, a predefined structure, a user story but embedded in a form. So you have to fill this in because there are additional things that might be very important. Now you can do scenarios as mentioned in the elicitation lecture so a description that is a bit more detailed. One of the most common ones are use cases. That's basically just a scenario that describes what is a typical way of using the system. There are different formats for that. If you look up in the summer world book you will find some examples. But often there is for instance a main flow, what is the typical way through the scenario, the success case. For example you describe how you get into the car, how you switch on the car, how you use the voice command, the radio goes on, everything is fine. And then often you have alternative flows that tell you what happens if something goes wrong. For example you go into the car blah blah blah, the system does not understand your voice command, what happens then. The system might answer that you have to say it again or abort the functionality. So the use case is basically a way that describes how does this whole thing work. One thing I don't mention here, this will be coming in the fourth module is graphical specification ways. So you can of course draw models. For example UML models that describe the different requirements will cover that later. But these are all the textual format that we will cover. It's of course just a selection. If you look up in the literature there are a lot more. But these are the common ones that you might find. And quite often if you look at a single document you actually get a combination of these. So you might have a specification that starts with a number of scenarios. It's the important scenarios. But scenarios always have the problem that it's hard to tell what is really required here and what is just sort of extra information or what is something that the person writing has just added. But it's actually not really needed. So it gives you a lot of context. It's very rich. It's very detailed. But it's also hard to tell apart what the requirements are. So you might have a specification that starts with this but then there are the detailed statements that say the system shall allow voice commands. The system shall do something else. The system shall do and so on. So often these are mixed. Similarly the user stories might just be a high level thing to motivate the overall functionality and then you have some detailed ones. Now all of this that I have covered here is for functional requirements. And in the next video I'll go into detail how this looks like for non-functional for quality requirements because you can do similar things but it's often a bit more complicated. So thanks for watching and the next one is on non-functional requirements.


So Chris, let me know when you're done and when you're okay, if you're okay with them. Yeah. So Chris, you move to approve them. I move to approve them. The minutes of 11 three. Okay. I guess I second. And so you vote yes. I vote yes. And I vote yes so minutes approved. All right, moving on. So updates. Chris, do you want to give us an update just on the JPA status. Sure. So, Alan has Alan reviewed the JP, JPA draft APA put his own questions and comments in didn't really have a lot of edits, but put question comments in. And now him and Rick are going to get together and look over the thing together. And, you know, as I saw was Alan had reached out to Rick, it was yesterday, asking him if next Monday would work. So hopefully they will get together next Monday and hopefully they will kind of touch base on everything so we have a fairly clear direction when they're done. But I suspect it will probably still be a few questions. Once they're done, we'll take what they have and I assume the next step is to for us to then go through and work, work their comments in as need be or develop, turn them back into questions and hopefully we can get us to a one back time, one, one time around and be done. But it makes sense to meet with them like once they both have their comments, would it make sense to meet with them? Yeah, right. But why don't we, why don't we see what their comments that they come back with once they actually go through the thing together. Okay. I think that's what we were waiting for from the very, you know, from way back when was for them to go through it together and come up with a common set of comments and stuff for us. And then, then yes, it might very well make sense for us to meet all together. Okay. And I'll be pushing for the staff as soon as possible. Okay. So you're just going to wait depending on what their comments or questions are. I mean, I think it's more important for them to meet together than it is for us to meet with them. If you think would you just all go through everything that once I think it's better for them to go through. No, no, no, no, I think they should meet together first. I'm saying that after they meet, and they sort of, if they get on the same page about things, but they both collectively have a few questions for us, would it make sense to schedule a meeting with them together with them and us to sort of answer some of, if they have any outstanding questions. Would it make sense to meet with them about it so that we can just hash it out and not keep going back and forth at this point. Yes. Yeah, I'm just thinking that, you know, for it may actually save time if we meet with them so we can talk it through. Okay. Yes, I think we'll say the same thing. Okay. All right. Okay, great. And let's see what else. Okay, so I guess that moves us to the CCA next steps. I was hoping Tom would be here, but he's shortly on his way, I think, but not here quite yet. So the outreach and education.  Let's see. He wants to play. Sorry, but let's see. Okay, I'm just going to open a document. I'll share my screen. So just give me one second and then I'll share my screen so I can share this with everybody. Okay, just let me know that you can see that. Yeah. Okay. So I think so this is the document that. Marlena put together and. Consolidated, you know, our input and then cleaned it up and made it look better and all of that. So, but she had a few things for us, I think still. I know initially she had something about an, we had had something about an initial handout. That we were going to do. And she had questions about that. Whether that was something that, you know. Was necessary. And I think our response was basically like what it hurt to, you know, it doesn't hurt to sort of. You know, you know, I think that was a good thing for us to just kind of get the ball rolling. So I think they wanted to know what that would be. So. Is this something that. We, and we could do this. Even if it's not in the plan, right? Doesn't have to be in this plan for us to do it. But it's in this plan. We have to do it. Is that the way it is. Right. Yes. Yeah. I'm not sure why we would have it in the plan. You should just take it out. Yeah. Okay. I don't have a problem with that. I can just see a scrambling the last minute. Yeah. I go, no, we didn't do the initial one. So she said there was already going to be one. So I guess her point was why, if you've already got one, why do you have to have an initial one? So. Okay. But I think that partly came from. We're putting that in a little bit of a better way. And we have an opening and then we have a. The belly green alliance members who wanted to get something started. So again, we can do that. We just don't need to put it in. Yeah. So we'll take that. Okay. I'm just making a note. And then I guess we want to just sort of look through this list, I think, and make sure that this is really the organizations that we want to include, because again, we have to reach out to all of these folks. There's anything anyone on here, at least from our standpoint that we wouldn't. I think that we said last time. There's a number of congregational based green group. I wouldn't. But we don't have to list them specific. Yeah. United Universalists. Oh, yeah, that's well because they're specifically a climate group. Well, there are climate groups in multiple congregations. So are you saying we should take that one out? I think we should just say congregations. Okay. Congregational green groups. Can you scroll up just a little bit? Yep. See the bottom of page two. No other way. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah, thanks. And we're survival center, but not my Hampton survival center. Unless it's below, I can't see it. So you're saying, let's see. I don't know that it is. Because I want to scroll down just a little bit. Sorry. I'm just trying to determine whether or not we have to reach out to every one of these if we have them on the list here. My understanding was that we do. That if we put it in here, we have to reach out to them. So we can always add more, but we can't do less and we can't outreach to less. But if we say we're going to outreach to these groups we're supposed to. We also have N double M or stand double ACP and two degrees on the same line or two different. Oh, okay. I don't know if I can add about that. All right, I'll correct that. Yeah, also there's North Hampton associations, North Hampton neighbors. I'm not sure what North Hampton neighbors is. It's a supporting independent living for elderly people. Okay. Okay. I think Valley Community Development should have corporation. Valley Community Corp. Or do feel Valley Community Development Corp. Yeah. Valley CDC Community Development Corporation. Did the Latin, the Hispanic service organization in North Hampton go defunct. Which one. I can't remember its name, but it used to be the. The Spanish speaking service organization that served, you know, in North Hampton. For some reason I can't remember the name right now, but whatever we did or we did outreach, we always worked with them. There's so many organizations that we could be reaching out to them that, you know, I hope we will. Andrew, your voice is very, very quiet. Yeah. Okay. I see why. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I have the wrong one in my ear. I'm also trying to be quiet because I'm at the. I'm watching the baby. She's so. How nice. Yeah. So I think we will. That was it. Is Casa Latina still there? Sorry. I don't know. I'm sorry, can I stop sharing for a second? Oh, no. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's fine. Tom is here and I'm trying to see if I can. I mean, all we're saying here is that we will offer to speak to staff and to constituents. By information of the program. So I suppose if all of these organizations take us up on that. It's going to be a bit of work. It's just a very uneven list with Forbes library, but it's going to be a little bit of work. So I think we're going to be able to. Lily or Jones. Or the one in Helen. Yeah. I mean, can't we just say. Area libraries. Area life. And area congregations. So, okay. So remove. Specific libraries. And specific congregations. And put just area congregations and area libraries. Yeah. So we're going to do that. We're going to do that. We're going to do that. We're going to do that. We're going to do that. We're going to do that. So Tom, I know you just joined us. We're going through the education and outreach plan. And just looking at the list one more time. And fine tuning it. So this is. Thank you. Apologies for being late. No worries. Glad you could be with us. Same thing with the schools. You don't have to Northampton schools here. You've got cameras. You've got the schools. Area libraries. And area congregations. And you could consolidate. You could do. Area schools and. PGOs, PTOs. Simplify it. Okay. Yeah, like the AR. Central office is very. Specific. Yes, it is. So neighborhood associations in Northampton neighbors. I know someone said that earlier. I think. Northampton neighbors is the neighbor. Is that the neighbor to neighbor. But former it's something different. Nope. And is it all one thing then? No. No, they're different things. Okay. So, and do we want to have both? Well, I think Northampton neighbors is a specific thing. Yeah. I think Northampton neighborhood associations. It's just general. It's general. I know. I know Northampton has a number of those. And it'd be best to keep it general because they sometimes become active and are very active. And then they suddenly kind of fade. Yeah. And I'm assuming that Amherst and Pella might have some neighborhood associations too. So that concludes everybody. Right. But we're keeping Northampton neighbors in. Yeah. I mean, it sounds like it's a good constituent. Is it seniors? What's that? I'm not sure. I'm not familiar with Northampton neighbors, but. Andra, what you just said. It's a senior. A volunteer. It's seniors organization. We have one in Amherst. What if we, there's also constrict chronicle. Northampton senior services agency. What if we just say.  Yeah. We could even just say senior centers and senior service agents. Organizations. Right. Senior centers and senior service organizations. And then. Amherst senior center. Northampton neighbors. Com street. Northampton. Senior services. Oh, it's in there twice. I say. I'll go through that piece again. So yeah, so constrict chronicle. We just want to take that out because it looks like it's through Northampton senior services. Who knows. I mean, some of this might have come from Adele. Yeah. But if we're putting in senior services. You know, we don't have to. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Anything else I should take out. Yeah, I think making these just categories versus.   And, and bids. Is it called a bid in Northampton. Business district. Yeah, do you have a business improvement district? You don't. Okay. They eliminated it. Yeah. They did. They were forced to eliminate. Yeah. So interesting. The lead up to this list says exemplar organizations include. Right. It's not even. It's examples. Yeah. It's not that they're all exemplar organizations, but I'm sure they are. Also right below the list, it says an initial informational handout. Is that the same handout that we decided not to have above? Oh, let me. Let's see what this says. Oh, so it says valley green alliance also developed initial program branding and initial. And an initial handout. So. Yeah. And that sounds like the same thing. So maybe this one just wants to say. Marlena and just clarify which one. One of them they're going to do, right? Yeah, that's not theirs though. I think this is the one because it said valley green alliance developed. And I think that was us. Right. Wasn't that. Andra, do you know. You're muted. Oh yeah. Just, just put a question in. I don't remember. I kind of feel like. You know, I guess it's just a matter of the, you know, what we say. And what we have to, you know, what we say we're going to do, we have to do a kind of thing. So. Yeah. And it sounds, I thought that came from your group. I don't remember anything about it. Okay. Well. I think, I mean, so what I wanted to propose. Was if we leave it in above. Like right under the list. So if we leave it in here. Then when we get down here, we can just say. The handout. The initial handout will be. Provided. To help educate the public about the program, blah, blah, blah. I've seen the future tense. And the other things are in past tense. So I think. That must. I don't know. I'm sure Marlene is that her name Marlena. Marlena can fix these things. Well, but she has to know what we're doing. That's all. So are we. They're doing a handout. So. Yeah, let's just, I think. Right. Just kind of. Ask her which one of those refers to the handout that they're doing. And leave it in. And if it's not referring to their handout, then we'll take it out. No need to have two handouts. So we'll remove whatever is ours and leave theirs. Yeah. Okay. All right. Right. That was helpful because I think that'll help her too. So. So some of this is just the TBD stuff. And I think as far as again, I just wanted to take a quick look at these. Media outlets. I'm not seeing Amherst media on this list. It's there. Via cable access above. Oh, good. But Northampton also has cable. That's Northampton open media. So what is it, Chris? I think it's up there. That says local newspapers. Yeah, let me change. Pretty sure Northampton open media is cable access. So maybe she could check on that or we could check on that. And then put it under cable access. So it's Northampton open media. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Northampton open media, formerly Northampton community television. Especially. Just wondering why we would put it in the green field recorder. I don't know. Is that in the recorder? Kind of the same thing. Yeah. This one's being a different. And there's slightly different. So I think being a Gazette. Is all we would really need at the moment. We can always add the recorder in. And didn't we just want to sort of make it, put it out there in case, you know, there's some future interest. Oh yeah, but we don't need to list it here. Can still do that. When I think when we're ready to expand. So do we want to take up green field recorder? Oh, do we have it in there? We have green field recorder in here. But it would certainly be easy to do. Just as you know. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I think those, some of those things. Like when we do. Press outreach, it just automatically goes to those places. So. What about Northampton department social media channels? How about we just say. All other municipal. Department. Social media channels in case. Tell them has some. So. So all other department. Municipal. I think we could still do that. I don't think we need to have it in the list. So we could just say all municipal social media channels. All yeah. And then get rid of the specifics. Or just say all other. So that if there's others. Yeah, they're included. I think it doesn't hurt to have some specifics. You could say such as. I don't think we have to get. Specific with. See embers. Matt. Of socials. Oh, I see what you're saying. So lose the Amherst and just have all other. Social media channels. So it doesn't say. Amherst specific. Yeah. Got it. You put an EG in front of the sea. Amherst. Of socials. No, no, just take it out. Yeah. This isn't a specific. That specific list. If you're going to take that out and you take out Amherst department, take out all other as well. Just say social media channels. Well, you've listed some social media channels already. So. Yeah, such as. Oh, I see you're saying. Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn are already listed. So. I was just saying all other other. Yeah. And then the rest of this list were. It's just. Our local news channels. What about these web based news agencies? I mean, we've got Amherst India on there in the Amherst current. Doesn't Northampton have some kind of local. Problem is I don't live in Northampton. Yeah. And then Dell's not here. The Dell already contributed to this list. So. Yeah, but we all did too. And now we're changing things. So. Yeah, I don't think I wouldn't add anymore. I mean. No, I'm wondering if I'm just wondering, do we want to leave those in. Or change it to be. No. No, no, those need to be specifically mentioned. View web based news. It's important to mention the Indian, the current. Well, that's why I'm wondering if it's equally, if you lived in Northampton as important if they have something equivalent, or are you just not aware. Then we can, then we can do it when we do it. You know, if that's a miss, we can add it in. Okay. Yeah. I just want to, yeah, I just want to make sure. You know, okay. Tom, doesn't Pelham have a. I have a sign up thing that residents can sign up through the town hall. Kind of a Pelham. Weekly news or monthly news thing. I think it's listed on here. Yeah. It's a new letter. Oh, okay. I see. Next door, Pelham is listed here too. Okay. Right. So next door, Pelham is web based. Why, why are we lifting out other web based news agencies? Yeah, we could do that. We could. It would be considered. No, it's not. No, it's not social media. The news agencies, web based news agencies are like newspapers, but their web newspapers. It's not the same as social media. I think it's fine to leave it like it is. Okay. All right. Well, we have some edits, but. Fairly minor. So the rest of that will leave as is. And then the program website will be updated to include the following information. We come up with this list. No, I think that's something that they did. Yeah. So they're going to, and they're going to come and they're going to create the website. So. Yeah. No, I'm just wondering is that I just, are we okay with that?  I don't want to assume that others don't. So. I just want to make sure you're okay with that. Or if you have anything. That you think should be included. We've all reviewed it. I think it's fine. Okay. So I think this, I think is the. Postcard that they were talking about. For initial outreach. You know, when we talked about doing an initial handout above. I think this postcard. Is what they. Maybe we're referring to. Okay. I don't know. I'll double check. I'll double check. You're going to ask Marlena about. The handout. Yeah. Opt out letter. I think we're probably good with all of that. So I'm just looking to see if there was anything else that. Marlena noted. So we get with this. Section. You have to make the same changes there. Just say Facebook, Twitter. LinkedIn. All other department social media. And then also. Just. Have Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and lose the. The specific Amherst. So we get with this. Section. You have to make the same changes there. Amherst. See Amherst. My socials. Oh, just say Facebook, Twitter. LinkedIn. All other departments. Social media. You have to make the same changes there. You have to make the same changes there. You have to make the same changes there. LinkedIn and lose the. The specific Amherst references. Yes. The same as above. I think there's a typo here. Unless that was just an example. I think that's it. For that piece. So. Okay. I'll just make those suggested changes. I want to stop sharing that. So. The other thing is the draft aggregation plan. So. I don't know if folks had a chance to look at that yet. I did review it. Yes. I didn't really have anything to add or subtract from it, but I. So again, where would I find that? Would that be on the town of Amherst? That whole. So Chris, that file that I directed you to has all of our documents for. Okay. So for every meeting. You can always go to that if you haven't seen stuff. You can always go to that. Website and those packets and. You can always go to that. You can always go to that. You can always go to that. So. Our information will be loaded there. And I think the, what I had said, I think was that the meeting materials were going to be exactly the same as the last meeting. So I had sent them for the previous meeting. I didn't resend them again. So I just said, just go to your. Meeting materials from the last meeting. So I could. Let me see. I can look at Darcy's comments. I didn't do a very deep. Yeah, I don't think I did really either. We could just look at the comments from Darcy. So just give me a minute. I'm just going to get them up on my phone. It's easier. So her comments. She would like to request adding more language and the mission statement. Indicating Valley green energies intention to support the creation of new local renewable energy projects. And she said the Cambridge warding here. Yeah. Well, I've got it. I've only got it on my phone. Hold on. I'm just having trouble navigating a little bit. I don't want to lose the meeting or lose. What I've got open so far. So hang on. Let me just close out of this for a second. Sorry. Don't want to do that. And we'll close out of our whole meeting. Let's see. Okay. So I'll open a Darcy's comments first. But her comments are just kind of general comments. They're not actually in the. They're not in the. Yeah. The document. They're just like separate comments. Right. Missile aggregation plan that actually doesn't have them for same mission statements. Yeah, it's just got that sort of opening. Opening paragraph. Right. And I think that's what she means. So. Just hold on one second. So that's why I had her comments. Open separately. And I was going to share the. So I forward you all, I forwarded Darcy's email to all of you this morning. If you could open up that on like your phone or something, I could share the actual. Yeah, I've got the draft. Okay. So I can open the draft CCA and share that. I'm trying to think of which would be more useful to you sharing the CCA or sharing the. The comments. So why don't I share the CCA. I'm going to share this and. I can read Darcy's comments and maybe that'll help. Okay. So you should be seeing this valley green alliance. Plan October 21, 2022. Yes. So Darcy's first comment. Had to do with. I think this opening paragraph, she's calling it a mission statement, but I think it's basically just the opening. So what she was saying was that Cambridge had some wording, which said the program will feature renewable energy and the power supply. As defined below support for renewable energy projects, which she has. So she wants to add, so she wants to add to this. So in this paragraph right here. Darcy wants to add. I'll read it. The alliance developed the valley green energy program to bring the benefits of renewable energy. So Darcy wants to add. So she wants to add. So she wants to add to this. So in this paragraph right here. Darcy wants to add. I'll read it. The program will integrate additional renewable energy into the power supply. Will. And then she added support the creation of new local renewable energy projects and services in member communities. And then continue the rest and will. Offer a selection of supply options as well as the ability to leave the program. So Darcy wants to add to this. So Darcy wants to add to this. So Darcy wants to add to this. And then continue the rest. And then continue the rest. And then continue the rest. And then continue the rest. And then continue the rest. And then continue the rest. And then continue the options as well as the ability to leave the program and return to utility basic service. At any time with no penalty or fee. So she wants to add will support the creation of new local renewable energy projects and services. In member communities. My question is, is that a. Red flag or is that okay. I think we'll create them. It sounds like Cambridge is wording is a little different though. Cambridge is wording says support for renewable energy projects. It doesn't say we'll support the creation of. I think there's a difference there. That's just my. Take in terms of knowing how the DPU has been with these things. There's difference in saying you'll support it versus saying you'll support the creation of. You know, I go with you there. No support. Can we put in the stronger language and let. Paul's team. Say no, that's a red flag. So. Under the reason. Going this way is that at the moment we, you know, we have four different. Products that we will offer. One of them being the local or up to four. We don't have to do the local. I want to make sure we're not. We're not committing ourselves to doing something. But don't we have to put it in so that. And we're putting it in as a. One of our four levels. Already. So that's the case then was says the program will integrate additional renewable energy into the power supply. And that covers local as well as anything else. That covers everything. There's no need to put anything else in. Right, but. I mean. Just hard to interrupt it. There's no chat. So I can't discreetly say I'm leaving. Okay. But I agree with what Chris and Stephanie are saying. I don't think you want to get in trouble promising more than you're able to deliver. Have a nice weekend, everybody. Thank you. I see it as. The consultants. Keep us from getting in trouble. And we ask for what we want. So I'm not saying in local is. It'd be easy for it to get. It's something that. We want to be proud of, but. Or. Right. Yeah, so I'm, I mean, if it's just support. I agree with Stephanie that it's just support. I don't think you're going to. Overcommit. I don't think you need it because it says integrate additional renewable energy in the power supply. So it's already covered. Well, that's statewide. That's talking about reps. Um, No, Zen, it's, it's, it's broad. You can integrate additional renewable energy in the power supply. However you want to. However you possibly can. But if you can include local. If you really want to say local, then support. We'll support. All right. So can I just go back to the Cambridge wording. The Cambridge wording just says support for renewable energy projects. And that's what Darcy put in bold. That she wanted to have something like that in ours. I'm not opposed to having the support in there. I'm just saying lose the word creation or the words creation of. Yeah, I'm agreeing. Just say support. New local renewable energy projects and services and member communities. Because it doesn't say you're creating them. Yeah. Okay. Just saying you're supporting them. I said, okay, yeah. So and Chris, you're okay with just losing. So using that language, but just using the creation of. Our creation of. Yeah. Okay. So just use exact same language except for the only thing we're adding here is local support. For. New local renewable energy projects and services. Just very ambiguous. I'm sorry, Chris, you just said support for. Yeah, so take out. Take the creation of. And replace it with the word. He said more, not for the four. Support for the same support for, oh, I see. Support for. Yeah. New local renewable energy projects and services. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you might actually kind of say, well, what do you mean by that? Well, we can. Yeah. Address it later, but. Well, as we'll ask, we definitely want Paul's opinion. Yeah. It really is. Integrate. Support and offer. It's not support. Can you say that again? Andra. The sentence has verbs. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. There's no turning support into it. Now. Program will integrate support. And offer. Those are the. In the closet. Oh, I see. Well, no, she's got it. The way I'm reading it is. The program will integrate additional renewable energy into the power supply. We'll support the creation of so we're just saying. You know, the program will. We'll support the create the creation of. I'll just word Smith it a little bit and you can look at it. As you're saying, Andrew, you're saying basically don't use, don't put the word for in there. Just take the creation of out. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think that's what I had said earlier too. Okay. Yeah. Just take the creation of out. Okay. Let's move on. So then the next thing. She wants to add language to the program option section. I think you just went by. The valley green standard. Valley green. Local. Oh, here we go. Yeah. Sorry. So. Okay. So she's saying this. Language was included in the B GECC a draft. Modeling Cambridge languages. There were reasons not to include it. But you'll have to look at her email for this because it's pretty long. Can you switch to sharing that? I'm going to have to stop sharing this. Yeah. So where is she wanting to put this in? She said in the. Program option section so that beginning of that section where it says electricity choices. Yeah. So she wants to add. So she wants to add this language. Stephanie. I don't see Tom. He was here and I think he had to go. He didn't say anything. He just left. Oh. No. He just disappeared. What he said was he, he did say that he looked at it and he said he didn't have anything. Unfortunately to add. So are you, but you're seeing the document, right? Yeah. I mean, so it seems to me when she's trying to put it here. So the electricity under electricity choices. Right. The aggregation plan says the program will give participants a choice in the percentage of renewable energy. And price of their electricity supply by offering multiple program options. Because the integration of renewable energy into the power supply is a driving motivation for the program. So the power supply is the power supply. The alliance, space offering. So this is actually kind of saying, instead of, you know, the integration of renewable energy into the power supply. Being driving motivation, she's saying. I think she's trying to say here, support for greenhouse gas emission reductions in the driving. Is the driving, right? Yeah. And I agree with that. I'm just not sure what the DPU will do with that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, is this, you know, maybe this is one of those things. I mean, in some ways I feel like I want to have this conversation with Paul Gormer. You know, it just seems to me like we can. Sort of talk about, well, what do we think? And, but I almost feel like. It would just be a good exercise to meet with them and go through this and have these comments to have the discussion so we can ask follow up questions and. Get clarification. I think the thing is that we want to, I guess we just want to be sure that we're on the same page. That's right. Yeah. We're asking for it. Yeah. So are we basically on the same page that. We would want to have this. Propose this and then have this follow up discussion with Paul Gormer about this particular section. I would say so. I mean. We went over this. A year ago or whatever. And I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I agree to a different point. So. I mean, I'll give you my, my take on this right now. When I would like to ask Paul, his feedback. If we were basically replaced because the integration. Or because. Reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. Is a driving motivation for the program. You know, exploring that. I mean, the details of a B and C. Right. And I think it gets confusing. And I think it could become a little red flags for the DPU that flash on to the question. You know, I would keep it as big and broad. But the reason I would be interested to see whether we could change it or not is because. The integration of renewable energy is not the only way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. And we do want to stay broad. And maybe we shouldn't, maybe, maybe he's going to say, you know, the DPU is going to just. Bulked at that. And you're going to take five years to get this going. And that's what he thinks that I would stick with a renewable energy into the power supply piece. Well, that's my take on. You should ask Paul. Whether it makes sense to make. Greenhouse gas reductions. The driving motivation that we mentioned. Okay. Yeah. So that's really the basic question. I think so. And I suspect it's ill advised to mention a B and C. Yeah, no, I agree. I sort of feel like. If we get too specific. I'm, I'm very worried about the red flags of. And being curtailed by DPU. So if we can sort of keep it with us. You know, sort of a general statement about that as the driving factor versus. The other than maybe that would be. You know, and I would, I would look to Paul's guidance on that too. So, Andrew, are you, where are you with that? Sorry. Andrew, are you, are you with us or. I'm still here. It might be taking over. Maybe entertain. Okay. So. We were just talking about the, you know. Just making raising this to Paul is can we make. We know some missions, the driving factor and have a statement about that rather than the statement about. The renewable energy supply. Without listing these specifics. I think Chris and I both feel a little bit uncomfortable about having the specific language. So. I say we just raise it to Paul. Yeah. Yeah, let's do that. I, you know, I can certainly share Darcy's comments with him. And I'll just sort of add my own notes. You know, I'll post this conversation, maybe. Does that seem like an okay. Approach to sending this response to him. So I was just saying that I can, so. I can forward Darcy's comments to him. But also with some. You know, some of the, some of the, some of the, some of the. Statement about, you know, our conversation today. And some of the tweaks to what she's suggesting. And that wondering. You know, I'd like to in her comments. Ask Paul. You know, our A B and C to specific should we, could we just change the language. To make this reflect. GHG emissions as a driving factor versus. You know, I don't think we should have that as a comment on the side to Paul. Or do we do want to just eliminate a B and C all together and not even bother sharing that with him. When we get his opinion on it. Yeah. Yeah. We could just include it in an email or something. Yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm going to forward her comments, but I want to have our way in on this. Right. Yeah. You know, we can, we understand that this might. Be a little bit of a. Here would flag. To worry. Okay. All right. All right. So moving on then to. Electricity choices. Darcy is suggesting that we eliminate the 100% option in favor of the local option. My gut instinct is no. Well, I keep all four options because it gives us flexibility. But I know what she's saying. Since we're not going to work, we actually really don't know how we're going to do the local fund yet. And it's that is so unknown. Well, she has specific questions about that. She does. And if we got on it. Now, and started assessing what the availability of local Rex is. It might not be so far. We know that Michael doctor doctor is a local aggregator. And I don't, I don't know what is supplies like that. I don't know. I guess we can find out. Yes, we can send her questions to Paul. Yeah, I like I said, I'm just going to forward this to Darcy if I mean to Paul. Unless people either want to add to it or edit it a bit. If we're not in agreement with what she's asking is. I guess where I'm going. Like I don't want him to read this and think that we all think we should eliminate the 100% option. Right. We just want his opinions about this. We want his opinions on the questions. Okay. Yeah, I think actually one of the answers on is no number two. You've actually kind of stopped the Rex program with a smart program. But anyhow, let Paul, let Paul respond to that. But there will be some credit, some, you know, way of counting. Yeah, I don't, I don't think there is. I think when they went to the smart program, they basically eliminated the ability of buying Rex and retiring them. They got rid of that ability. That can't be because that's how we know the utilities are meeting their obligations. Yeah, it's some. So that's Paul, that's Paul. Hopefully he knows that more than I do. Okay, sorry, was there I was distracted and doing something else ask Paul, what are we asking Paul, just to have him go over the questions. Okay. I was just kind of believing that number two won't be possible because of the way I understand the smart program to work, but I might be wrong. Okay. Number two, I mean, if like them. I guess they could be community solar projects I'm just kind of thinking aloud. You know if the municipal load is being met by, for the most part by. When I say municipal load I just mean municipal buildings because there was something about municipal buildings here. Most of that load is being met by the solar landfill project. I don't even know how many nuisible building options we have for solar. You know, so I'm just wondering if that. I'm just sort of ruminating in my head about how that all would play out. How is, how are you using a landfill solar to provide renewable energy to municipality. So you're the off taker, just the town town accounts are the off taker for the solar landfill project. So you're, you mean you buying that meter and credits. Yes. Okay, so no, I'm sorry, we're getting a reduced electricity. I'm sorry, we're getting a reduced electricity rate is all. Yes. Yeah, it's just a, it's just a, it's essentially we're just getting our, yeah, we're just getting our electricity rate from the, from the solar landfill project, right. But you're not getting the rats, you're not buying the rats. They're selling the rest of the utilities, presumably. So we can't count that as get, you're not getting the green attribute. Right. So it's not covering the load, but it is contributing to the new in class one racks. Yeah, yes, I guess that's, yeah, where I'm going. I think it's important how we talk about this as we get closer and closer to, you know, figuring our emissions. No, I agree. Because it's, it's very confusing. Yeah. So, okay. Yeah, pass these by Paul. I mean, Paul is very patient, willing to answer our questions. And unless so I guess what I would ask then, just in the interest of time. So I think what I want to do is I'll forward our comments about the outreach and education plan to Marlena. I'll forward the stuff about the CCA review, the, the stuff that Darcy brought up. What I would ask is if there's anything else that anybody sees in the aggregation plan, I mean, it sounded like we really have not a lot that we can tweak is what Paul pretty much said. So, there's not a lot of area for us to edit. Um, he said that about the. Oh, no, he said that about the supply. The contract spy contract even very. Yeah, don't want to don't want to open that can of worms. Yeah, yeah, no, but he even even with the CCA though he said there wasn't like a lot. Yeah, that we can, you know, there's not a lot that we can really bear from. I think the reason is I recall, he wants to present something in the DPU that's very familiar to them. Because if it's not familiar, they need to stop and think about it and everything stops. So if you give them something that's pretty plain Jane, then it's more likely to move through fast. That's your question. And I feel like given what municipalities seem to be facing and I know it's kind of on it's on the DPU is kind of on the line right now about this but I know it just sounds to me like with all of the communities that in line waiting for review of their proposals which I would imagine many of them are pretty straightforward. The fact that we have anything that's even remotely different makes me nervous in terms of timing. It also means that ours isn't going to be the first in line. And no matter how quickly we got it in. The new administration. Yeah, and I would be very interested in. Testing, you know, the new administration DPU to point. Or are they going to assign. I mean, don't don't doesn't them. The new governor signed the head of the DPU. I'm not sure. Oh, yes, absolutely. Yeah, and let's Yeah, doing all things go well. You know, I would think that it's going to be a more forward thinking DPU this next week. This next iteration of the DPU to because I'm thinking just in terms of all the pushback that they've just recently gotten from so many organizations and bad press and bad press that I think they they have to, you know, sort of increase the speed at which they review these proposals, but also, I think they need to obviously be more open to the goals that the state has set for itself. Exactly. I mean they have to be, you know, so this is. So. All right, so are we good with that it's 1130 I feel like we've covered a good bit of stuff and I can forward these things along and I'll try to. I think I'll just forward them to to Paul and Marlena. I won't schedule a meeting with them I'll just sort of forward this along and if they want to schedule a follow up meeting I'll sort of ask for their guidance if they think that's needed. I don't want to meet with them again before they submit anything. Nope, sounds good. Yeah, they're probably going to send it to us for one final review anyway, I would think. Yeah, and I think the questions are easily answerable through response emails. Yeah, I think. Yeah, Paul, I think we'll be able to just respond. So, all right, I will. But I'll do that now. And for our next meeting. Let's see. I can't so Darcy would prefer we don't meet on this on Thursday. Tuesday or Thursday she has right or children, right. Monday won't work for me, I think. Let me just see right now this is probably really have to do it with Tom in their Wednesdays. I'll just throw it out there I'm just throwing out like what works for us and I'll throw out a date to everybody else but I'd like to at least propose a date tonight. Okay, well, hoping we can get comments back from Paul by then but. Okay, let's tell them. We'd like them by the night. Yeah, I will, I will. Just again, I mean I can tell them I just don't know that he'll be able to but that's okay I'll ask. So Wednesday the ninth at 10. Yeah. Okay, I'll see if Tom. I'm going to ask Tom first if it doesn't work for Tom I'm going to see if I can find another one. Okay thank you both so much Andrew do you have just a minute to hang on. You want to stop the recording. Yes, yes. So let me first stop sharing. And then I will stop the recording.