It's a record. It's a record. We responded 20 minute video in five minutes connecting I don't know if that's gonna separate me to like refresh the chat Chat say and welcome back. Yeah, I don't get anything. Hang on.  Oh, yeah, he should talk rags for a while and The the ballot of Jared that's wonderful But basically Jared said that he wants more people that will like him not Ironically, but because he thinks that people will like him, you know, unironically, which is never going to happen so, I Mean he's like he said in the in his newest video. I'm okay, you know The only 50 subs as long as they like me and it's like Jared the only people that subscribe to you Subscribe to you because you're funny. It's I mean, you just got to accept it kind of like Tommy Wiseau did Yeah, okay I think it's that exactly like that situation because Tommy. Yeah, genuinely thought that he made like the next great Stanley Kubrick film and it's literally the worst movie ever made Yeah, but He understands that people don't actually unironically like his movie everyone that likes the room likes it ironically and That's how he got his fan base and look look at where Tommy's at.  That's that's the true Yeah, he legit made a good film, right? Oh Yeah, best friends was like like actually unironically pretty good. The thing is although it was not directed written or produced by Tommy Genuinely have seen happening right the down the line Jared hits like 2000 subs and then he makes like a video that actually is like a decent take on something and people like you know This is actually decent like this is good, you know And he'd stuck in appreciation from people who aren't just looking at him as a meme But he said that's the weird thing He said he likes to be the butt of a joke when it's fun and stuff But he doesn't want to be a meme and I was like, isn't that not the same kind of thing though? It's like yeah the problem with Jared is that he He hasn't gotten out of his Tommy what he hasn't gotten out of the initial Tommy Wiseau phase He needs to get into the current Tommy Wiseau phase and just accept that he's a meme Yeah, those people will actually follow him for that Because that's what he does best.   He was even like making parody videos I didn't watch him because I don't think that Jared trying to parody himself would work out Too well because I don't think you can parody a parody. Yeah. Yeah, that was weird But yeah, that's that's to update you guys as to why I won't be here But it'll still be on Wolf's and I assume that what we'll you can do now Wolf is just like find the very best period per podcast isn't it instead of It's like whatever's new whatever so I'm sure it'll be great We'll have a lot less time to laugh and a lot more time to groan Yes, we have I figured since we're vaguely trying to be you know An actual competent podcast did people vote in that straw pole. I didn't check it yet. Yeah, they did. Oh, they did Every frame of pause is the biggest one. We'll have to keep posting it throughout the stream full of the people who pop in But yes vote in we will decide on actually giving this a name and let's say this is the first official doesn't have a name podcast yet But it'll be me every time more than likely rags and wolf every time depending on who's free at what times and then There was a huge miscommunication Then we'll have guests more likely as well and so Appabend welcome to the stream the first guest on a rare That's also true. Yeah, we are very diverse stream Yes, I want to make sure to come in here just to make sure that Patrick Williams cannot criticize you because you're white Yeah, I was gonna say I figure it makes sense because you've made your video on Patrick Williams So you'll be able to see the follow-up. See I don't have you seen this video yet. I Haven't I've seen the first two minutes and then I stopped because I like I like it when you get sort of like the initial blast of hilarity from this but um Yeah, I've heard a lot as well and the comment sections already turned on it We didn't take very long like apparently he's making some really fantastic arguments We got that to look forward to there was I checked out some of the comments from the last video and Something that we probably should have mentioned In conclusion on Macintosh's video was that like the entire point of his video was how we have this toxic expectation That to be a man is to essentially die to you know, save the world sort of thing and that the film sort of civits that and it's like We I think we might have pointed out But just the hilarity that Holdo and Rose Tico sister do those things exactly and they sold us like really heroic moments So it makes you wonder like How does he reconcile that but yeah a lot of people were like, why didn't you comment on that and it's like apparently We missed it, but um very much a an overall criticism of his video.   We've still got them So I'll try to read some of them some of them that are They're already been posted because there was a super there's a bunch of super chat in your last stream. There's a one that failed. Oh I'm sorry if I miss any of those. That's my bad But yeah, we people have been saying the Wolf Ragsmola are not supposed to be YouTube police That's not what we're gunning for at all. We're literally just watching these videos Like oh, I'm sorry. I thought we were the YouTube FBI person No, we're not we're not trying to be the police Well, what it is is we watch these videos with you guys and we're like listening to it That's that's usually what I think is the biggest problem for these people's videos Is they don't actually want you to really pay attention because half the time It's kind of like that like if you've seen that meme on Twitter every once in a while And it says what it's like to be watching a podcast and it's like some lonely black guy eating cereal with a poster of a Bunch of white chicks laughing. It's kind of like that.  So that It's not a direct reference it is that it is I think I'm referred to as the angry guy who made five hours of ranting on on the last Jedi That's what I've heard. He says man. I wish I had like an air horn so I could like just do As soon as he says it because I know what the references Yeah, so I got nerds with a heart from a keep of or he's so thank you for that and the last Jedi cries out in pain as it Copyright strikes you Bilbo Baggins the daily Sauron. So those are the two before the the stream went down. I think There's one in the chat. It's not a super chat, but it's a tricks rock is gay Bilbo Baggins Baggins there's a lot of stuff man.  I swear you have my crazy. I've not actually seen Every single one of these people anyway, so it's like well They're they're all cocks and they all think that the sequel trilogy is better than the OT or as good So they all just kind of you know, yeah, there was there was a clip in my the third part of my TLJ one I think it's new rock stars or collided some channel like that where they said Let's be honest the new films are just the old ones with better acting better effects and better something else And I remember being like oh god Yeah, I definitely threw it. So I think I just play the clip and go no Stop Terry cruises Siri. I'm pretty sure that's what we'll get to that, right?   It's like, okay. I don't mean okay with this Siri This is the best iteration. Do we want to see him and Geralt hook up? That's my question.  There's too many links I gotta I gotta make sure I have a link for app events channel And then also for the straw poll then also for my second channel. I don't like podcasting.   Like I don't not that I remember but I it's also five hours So it's hard to tell if we don't know what we said after an hour passes It's like a like I just got banned from Twitter for seven days for saying things that were deemed to right wing I mean, I don't get that you have to keep reminding people you vote for Bernie Sanders. Don't you I?  Love you guys looking forward to five hours of fun I hope you both available Nothing else to do in your lives.   So you two police would have to arrest Wolf for Fairiness, I'm not even 100% sure and make sense. Yeah. Yeah, we make some type of drinking game. I mean Yeah Every every time we pause would kill you so I don't know Yeah, you have to leave it to the audience to come up with it because you know, we're not creatives We don't meet me and Wolf now, but we don't really make anything typically speaking we just Just sit here and talk to the other channels exactly that that's a hundred percent it Harley-Morrin Steen or Steins of Epic Meal Time has made an hour-long video telling people the last Jedi doesn't suck We suck. I'd love to do a video on it. I don't know if we can do our long videos on this Like we'll never be able to complete an hour video. Will we not? No, no Like I don't I still don't know how we're gonna do that TRO stream. Yeah, I know that's gonna be interesting That's a that's two hours. We're gonna have to like Well, no because we can't cut off the long rags clips because then that'll like Hurt the ability to respond to their points and wolf size and defeat take a drink So anyway Just to just to send out the three links that I actually do need to promote as a responsible podcaster straw pole Helps decide on what name we're actually gonna name this thing Our guest is a pen where you kind of have to subscribe Otherwise, you're not really a true fan of this stream because let's be honest That's how it works and then and then this podcast will be stored on my second channel So all three of those links they go I'll probably have to do it again after I love how someone asks Where's dude when this isn't? This you realize you're watching Mahler's channel, right? So, yeah, are we is everyone happy to begin? Yeah, let's do it I'm not happy, but I will begin We've all we all know the last Jedi very well and it looks as if we're about to be schooled on why it's actually great By the racist himself. Hey, man. It's not right Not a sidetrack, but I think it was a H bomb. I was asked on Twitter recently. Why is it racist? No, is it racist to say the Japanese people suck?  Is it is I've been updated in the dictionary yet that racism is about power as well as race because if that happened I feel like there would be riots in the streets Very salty because he's still very salty because the Japanese turned Sherlock Holmes to an enemy What what is that bad thing or good?  I think that's how that works How often do you think he's gonna tell us that because we're white our opinions don't matter as he's a white guy telling us That's the other thing people point out. It's like that's why you have me here That's why you might be here so that can validate you guys that you guys Matter you're so basically you're our brown knight You shine a light in the darkness for for when we're wandering around wondering if we're racist or not you are proof that we are not No, I suppose let's begin Wow, I feel so awake right now Do you think it's that tea he's been drinking Wait wait pause it now. I gotta see what the ingredients are to Barry's tea Because if it is I I think that will be absolutely hilarious Let's see. It's strange to to bring in made in Ireland I'm assuming that this is something he's done before otherwise wouldn't this be very strange for the parents. I don't know Barry's tea pipe on it show the ingredients. That's what I need to know Wolf doing the important investigations well, you know people need to know Okay, even even even if it's not there he can actually just pour soy milk in it Yeah, well that doesn't prove anything that is true because he did have that jug of milk with him in the last video we saw Exactly Okay, here we go.  Here's the red one Uh What the hell? Okay, just go on to the video. I'll keep doing my all right. You you continue the sleuthing the background. I guess Jake what's going on? Nothing. I just wanted to come back see you guys and have a chat What's with the camera? Oh, I'm recording this so I can put it on the internet obviously I think we're ignoring the bigger question. Who's that person next to the camera? What's up? Oh, that's just my intern Yeah, apparently A lot of Americans seem to have been kids of people who've immigrated over I guess but I guess the dad is American. The mum is Irish. I'm a little bit confused though I don't know. This is a bit of a strange format but fair enough. Also he has an intern I'm not I'm not sure what this kid is supposed to represent. I'm assuming it. There's gonna be a payoff like Or is this a format maybe maybe it's a format that he runs where he like explains films to his parents or something like that I don't know. We'll have to see There's a soy in tea There is soy in it. Isn't it dependent on what you're using? I Yes, I don't know. It's Barry's teammate in Ireland. It's fascinating how invested you are in finding out Well, I just really want to know Because it would just be like the cherry on top like well, I mean the cherry on top would be if he's a jew This would be like the whipped cream The edge too too little edge. You gotta crank it up wolf Are we getting interned? Usually I'm here to talk about movies I think are underrated that don't get the attention they deserve, but this one is different I want to talk about the biggest movie of 2017 a movie that pretty much everyone who watches movies has seen Is this the biggest movie 2017? It probably is. Yes. Yes. Let's just think in like Would 2018's biggest movie be one correct thing that that's Would it be infinity wall would be the biggest of 2018 or is it someone else? Oh, undoubtedly It's very black panthers the follow-up. Yeah, if it is more black panther I wonder if I wonder if it did better than the last Jedi or not Like overall or even an opening box office. I'm not even sure but yeah fair enough. That's probably true then I want to talk about star wars episode eight the last Jedi because for some reason a whole lot of people Don't like this movie. Yes a lot of people For some reason yes. Yes. Yes. They don't like this movie It's like he it's almost like he doesn't know kind of like, you know How he admitted to only talking to people he respects and likes because he lives in an echo chamber I you know what I can actually say I understand why people like it Because I've heard what they say about it.  It was like Genuinely, I had missed it on my first watch through I missed it on my first watch through that they said admiral admiral died And I was like when I finished the film I hadn't even thought about the fact that he wasn't there yet and then I remember reading online There's like they unceremoniously flushed him out the freaking ship and I was like really? Did you catch it?  It's like Jesus Christ, brother Yeah, it's it's it's crazy that they at least at least akba earned a throwaway line At least that's what he got that, you know What what did what did the brand new character that nobody connected to at all holdo gets like she got probably one Of the most self-sacrificial set pieces in the history of star wars, but uh It could be him that sacrifice himself in there Yeah, because I don't even necessarily defend the the ramming maneuver But fucking I'll throw akbar in there instead of holdo make akba the one who wouldn't tell po the plan whatever Why do you need holdo? He could even scream It's a trap as he's flying it into the supremacy wait a lot of people saying f does that mean the stream is down? No, f f just to repay respect for okay. Yeah Why would you the film didn't pay him respect? No point Are really angry about it now instead of telling you why you should see it since everyone watching this already has I want to tell you why I love it because I do I was gonna say good for you He can this is there's gonna be a big difference when he tells us why he loves it Is he gonna cite things that actually happened or is he gonna make stuff up?  Is he just gonna say I loved it because that's fine. You're welcome to love it. What do you start telling people stuff like? um Po didn't tell her the plan because She didn't tell po the plan because it makes total sense, and I love it. It's like That'll be the interesting It is easily the best star wars movie since the empire strikes back in today I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What I'm sorry. What I'm sorry. What I'm sorry. What I missed that I'm sorry. What I missed that he Talk about empire last time. I missed that other people are really angry about it Now instead of telling you why you should see it since everyone watching this already has I want to tell you why I love it because I do I think this movie is god damn incredible It is easily the best star wars movie since the empire strikes back in today No, no, no, no wrong wrong wrong. So he's saying it's better than return of the jedi all the prequels awakens wrong rogue one Wrong and solo that that I would watch I'd rather watch the I'd rather watch the ewok adventures movies than watch the last jedi again Because at least like the ewok adventures movies were so bad. It was like kind of funny the characters will be given respect in the ewok At the very least it was just funny to watch a bunch of little teddy bears beat up tusken raiders that were on end door for no reason It's fun to see ewok watching porn Why wouldn't you just say I like it more than uh All the other movies, why do you have to say it is better than everything since they're just like okay Making it harder to follow along Do go on do go on do go on about why So just to clarify by the end of the video we will ask ourselves did patrick explain why the last jedi was great Good question. It'll be interesting to see if we get there So I realize I already lost a lot of you right from the title of this video. Don't worry. We're gonna stay We're gonna go through the whole video buddy No, no, no as as rags said as rags said if you actually tell me that the last jedi is good.  It's like all right This is the thing that's different between us three and patrick williams or you know Us three rags and whoever else and patrick williams and whoever else like we will actively look for the opposite Perspective because we want to hear it Instead of just be like no, I am above that sort of thing. I shan't be looking good people I do not have respect for it's like, all right Some of you are only here because this showed up in your recommendations And you wanted a new opportunity to tell a stranger about why you hate this movie But I just want to say something right up front if you are a person who thinks that sjw is our diversity our feminism ruined this movie.  How you classify like yes, yes, but but do go on Yes, but do go on.  That's where you got that from What remember these to play that for uh, whenever visual christian came on that's where I got the idea from I was like, okay Let's let's think of uh, because I can't do air horn. Well, I guess I can do air horn Uh, I do have I do have air horn. I will I'll I'll do you with the mario you do the air horn We'll make it together I don't know if you guys have seen all all all those videos I made but like the rage one is angry Sure, it's in the title, but the critique when I was pretty calm Throughout most of it and it was very scripted like I was very descriptive. I wasn't exactly going brah brah brah But uh, I guess I am some angry guy Which by the way gives us an insight into people like him and macintosh We're you know when they say like the angry fans I want to criticize them not the ones who just didn't like it and it's like I guess we slot in there Even if we explain ourselves, you know very slowly and very calmly. It's like no We're still the angry ones because we didn't like it That's how it works enough. I mean you could probably find a part of that five hours Where I sounded angrier than normal, but still you know Well, look, I'm happy because at least my hairline isn't that bad That is an ad homonym You just said his arguments are bad because of it because of his hairline. It's like No, he didn't it's okay guys calm down.   I don't think it's I would I don't think people would be saying that I'm fun.  I like I said because if you legit if people are saying to die because you like something It's like, yeah, they're probably not people you should give much time personally speaking It would be go go both ways if people are saying you should die because you didn't like it, you know same thing This is going to be long I really care that much about star wars Yeah, mom they really do but everyone should just remember This is a film about space wizards intended for children. So why have you created three videos? Why is he Is he yeah, that's the other thing intended I would say for everyone not children Isn't the whole point the styles appeals to a mass audience not just children Well, here's here's the thing.   Oh, yeah Yeah, this right here is why it takes so long to debunk bullshit compared to how long it takes to generate it Right, so he puts that sign up and then he moves on But we've got so many counter arguments first being that just because it's a kids thing doesn't mean that you don't care about the writing That's even insulting to kids like and by kids. I'm assuming We're talking about people as as old as let's say 14. We still be it'd be a kid at that point, right? You just devalued your own movie in there. Yeah, like if you can't You can't just say that your film is just oh, oh this film is it's actually just for kids guys Because you need to relax Wouldn't the mob the mcu be the same audience intention as star wars as a saga as well Or is oh that you say that they're a bit more adult. I'm not sure Well, I would say they were a bit more adult in iron man Then they like kind of lost their balls right immediately after that Look at the look at when luke sees his aunt and uncle's bones When when anakin's implied to have slid down freaking a bunch of kids like I don't know To me I'm just like, oh, yeah, this is just the exact same thing as the lego movie.  That's And once you move from that argument you move on to but hang on You're telling people to stop getting so angry and like you're gushing about it So one side of the emotions is okay, but the other side isn't it's like that doesn't seem very consistent It looks like you're just policing people about how they should feel Yes, because And like really telling humans how much they should care about something. It's historically doesn't work very well like Humans don't like it Yeah, let's go on of course I'm not saying you shouldn't take it seriously just maybe You kind of do what is it you kind of do it's it's a kid movie calmed out. Also take it seriously. You're like, what? Well, my brother didn't take it seriously and he got pissed off I'm confused. What does he try to say? Let's just back it up because he's saying he's not saying to not take it Seriously, he's saying intended for children. I'm not saying you shouldn't take it seriously Just maybe don't get too angry about it. We're not talking about it.  Are we allowed to get too happy? Is this such a thing is too happy because I'm assuming that's what this comes down to It's it's a matter of you can feel positively, but you cannot feel negatively but I I don't see like like like that five hour video. I don't see her being angry at all I mean you're just explaining Well, I made it. It's five hours. So I must have been angry to make something like that It couldn't be that I really angry when you were like that dishonored wolf guy His Thor Ragnarok video was honestly terrible had no cogent arguments. I was you know, I was very angry And I shouldn't get that angry about a movie this meant for children like Thor Ragnarok Exactly. Thank you Patrick. I mean honestly Thor Ragnarok was more child-oriented than the last Jedi Look, I think what we can take from this is the you know when you you sign up or you book to go see a movie As you walk in Patrick will be standing then you go Can you just how how invested am I allowed to be and then he's like it's a seven on this one seven out of 10 Like thank you, man. Just just no, I wonder what objective lens he gets From because you you know why he feels like he's on the upper end of this one He's like calm down. Don't get so angry and everyone's like ha ha true So I don't get it on the emotional scale for the people who are going nuts like Patrick talking about how it's incredible It's great the visual language the subtext the lessons it teaches of humanity and you have like a five-year-old like All right, it's not meant for you. I guess sorry I It's very interesting that he said that I yeah, you shouldn't be angry about this like I'm not even a star wars fan Like I'm not a star wars fan. Like I could see like that film.  Like I'm not even a star wars fan.  Let's let's hear some of these arguments Or was child oriented.  You got a point there now I forgot about that. Well, that's this is the thing though. I was I was clarifying if If star wars is is oriented to children, surely the mcu is as well because they have I think what wolf is trying to say is that pol Thorang rock is a lot more childish. Oh, I agree in terms of the humor They even like they make light of all the dramatic things that happen. They're like la la la, you know That's more what I was going for like the kind of tone throughout the movie where last Jedi was more serious You can have adult jokes hidden in kids stuff though. Like this is the thing I true It's a pointless thing to even talk about because we enjoy children stuff Stuff that was clearly meant for children because you can make it good. You can tell a good story You don't it's implied with with what he said that you need sex violence drugs and whatever else to tell a story That's interesting for adults. It's like, no, you don't you really don't You can literally be a story about friendship and that's it shrek Well people are referencing shrek now. Yeah, I I think shrek is good. I know there's beams, but yeah Yeah, it's thought of some adult jokes in it shrek 2 is good. Shrek 2 is the best shrek 3 is the worst Oh god, yeah, and this is the thing like What does it mean to what if I took shrek seriously and talked about how good I thought that was writing wise adventure time You know, I don't really I wish I wish he was here so I could be like patrick. What does that mean though? What are you saying when people celebrate how well written something like walley or Incredibles or monsters ink is are you like oh god calm down? It's a kid's thing because you do it to the negative side, but you do it to the positive side Do you keep that consistent? Probably not Please do a five-hour analysis on shrek About a movie about space wizards intended for god, he does it again What did he just do that? Or do we rewind hang on? You did rewind This is a film about space wizards intended for children I'm not saying you shouldn't take it seriously just maybe Don't get too angry about it. We're not talking about gun control here We're talking about a movie about space wiz Ah He did do it twice and he said that you're he's basically saying you can care about politics, but you can't care about media come on Politics is one thing but media. This is a kid's movie for space wizards Or remember patrick's politics include hating white people. So I don't understand this at all Like it's so confusing to keep track of I think it comes down to He's gonna use this argument against the people who are making counter arguments to the film to try and bat them off But you won't you won't uh allow it to be applied to himself. Simple Rightfully pointing out what is gun control? How is that even a good analysis?  I guess that's what he means Even though he's very serious about media. He has a whole career based on it. So I don't understand You should be less angry about it.  Why do you like this film?  Please leave me alone. Love this movie Oh, there you go. That's that's all this is that's all it ever comes down to I just love this movie. That's it. I want to talk about it Okay, but if you talk about it on a public space expect people to talk back. That is how this works So the disclaimer you may as well just start the video here to be perfectly honest with you, but hey Before I start talking about the last god, I need to quickly run through wait Wait a second. He was talking to his parents his whole time, right? I don't know if that's what's actually happening or if he filmed those bits like separately Because so like like he's parents just like standing there like sitting there He was just like mom dad shut up and watch me make this video Yeah, I guess I don't know if they're going to be replying or if they just for jokes So I guess we'll find out So my history was just because context matters. I mostly love the original trilogy I think the prequels are generally not good even if they contain some cool ideas I think the force wakens is pretty good Yeah, it plays things super safe and basically just hits all the beats from a new hope But the movie had to do three things it had to feel like star wars again It had to introduce new characters that we wanted to follow into future movies And it had to bridge the 30 year gap It had to bridge the 30 year gap. Well, I guess it failed in that regard, didn't it? Yeah I mean in this sense that like we skipped the bridge part and went to the other side I'm sorry, but if I was to compliment the force awakens, I would never cite that it bridged the gap It didn't bridge any gap. It practically skipped the gap Yeah, wouldn't like the force unleashed which is intentionally supposed to be okay. This is what happened Three and four work more as a bridging the gap part. This is skipping the gap This is on the other side of the gap. Yeah, I don't understand. I could possibly assume bridging the gap between between what Like the ot and itself Because what else would it connect to? I don't even know what he's trying to say with that anyway I don't think he understands what bridging the gap means of a phrase Had to bridge the 30 year gap in the story It did ridiculously well at the first two and with the third oh, okay It did okay. It's a Hey at least at least he said that it wasn't great in that regard at least At least he said that it wasn't great. Obviously we would consider it to be a complete nut a sham But he's saying it wasn't great a little frustrating that we don't really know what the political landscape of the galaxy is And how the republic works and what the significance of the husband system being destroyed actually is But I also get that they want to return to a familiar dynamic I don't need to see snoke a star wars story to understand Who that guy is and what his deal is as if it is if you need a whole movie to be able to explain a character We still don't know who he is Even after the second film I guess he's saying that we don't need to know at all I guess he's really sad because he's he's one of the villains that actually have potential to actually be you know like the The overarching villain for the entire thing, but now we have only kylo again The interesting thing Is that a handful of people will say that palpatine was you know very Underdeveloped in the ot that we don't get quite quite a lot for him And yet he's got way more of a character than snoke did so it's like talk about Super underdeveloped and I don't get people who are like we didn't need a huge backstory for this villain It's like we never get a huge backstory. Like what was the backstory of account dooku What was the backstory for doth more? You know only including the films because I guess we don't need a backstory. We need a story That's true. Yeah, just give us any reason to understand why they're here and they have what goal like that Like all we needed to know about darth mull was that he was uh evil darth Well, yeah Darth evil All we need to know about duke was that he was uh, he was a former jedi Yeah, and that he got seduced by cityus All we need to know about cityus was that he was sith and he's evil and that's really all there needs to be The problem with snoke The difference here is that snoke just comes out of nowhere when the last time we saw any of these characters The galaxy was at peace So where he came from makes no sense because the last time we saw any of these characters It was the sith were defeated completely. So where did this guy come from is he a sith? I mean he brought it up the bridging the gap thing and it's like snoke is absolutely the Probably the most important component for bridging the gap because he's the guy who changed everything He he reignited the empire and he turned Kylo and ended up getting the jedi destroyed. So that's the entire positive faction have been destroyed by snoke Wait, wait a second. He showed he showed his he showed uh, snoke on a video.  I would watch it And what the significance of the haznian system being destroyed actually is I also get that they want to return to familiar dynamic. I don't need to see snoke. You know, it was a familiar dynamic a good film I mean, they got to get the old fans back.    No, okay. Look. Yeah, there are a lot of people that are saying now that um That the prequels are good and they aren't and they're wrong when they say that they aren't however Just because people are saying that doesn't mean the last jedi is excused from criticism because the prequels exist Like in there do one of us by that logic by that logic And then we should excuse the fact that the hobbit movies are terrible because the lord of the rings is great True what? Sort of I mean, it's just backward logic anyway Um, but this is the thing. We still haven't actually like started the video yet. Really This is all still still but you know, we're nearly there.  We've got all this set up. We've got a hell of a cliffhanger ending So what comes next a lot of people had a lot of demands for this movie Explanations and answers and confirmations of fan theories and look I like how it gets waved off to get answers It's just like The answers create states the answers create the world like what is why is this such a like crazy Demand from the fans now. Why is that looked at as crazy when jj was the one who made us ask the question Is it the first place?  Jar Jar Binks is Snoke, you know, like that there's the they're all over the place if people were that You know attached to fan theories then every single movie everywhere would get hated on just because of that But that's the thing No one cares that much. You're applying too much credit to something that no one really cares about You know what I look at it as is you have a birthday coming up and then your parents like what do you want?  So Wow And you get this this immediate sense of do you hate me? Why would you do this and then Ryan Johnson's like, no, I just hate Star Wars. You're like, oh, okay I understand um Yes being hyperbolic, but it's it's it's just I I would like to hear a better argument for how this is all caused by false expectation because um It just it almost seemed like a cop out. They didn't have to do more work, you know Balance more of the I like make everything fit more because if you just say that there is no answer to Snoke's origin Ray's origin Um, whatever else then everything you don't actually need to do anything other than just tell whatever store You wanted to do in the last Jedi which as we found out that he got rid of the notes from JJ Abrams That uh, ryan johnson clearly did come in wanting to tell his own story, which There you go Like he doesn't care what the first and third movie was in the trilogy and he certainly doesn't care about the older ones You just wanted to make his art And that pissed people off. I made a whole video about that But personally those weren't really my top priorities. I just wanted something new I didn't want another beat-for-beat repeat of the original trilogy I wanted star wars to surprise me. Uh, they kind of did do some of that though. They kind of did Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff they redid So Not sure where he's getting that from like I guess he's gonna argue that they may have copied a few things But they had it end differently. So That's I mean a back robbery is surprising doesn't mean it's good Yeah, I don't think they they appreciate that concept because they it's rare that we get told why it's good It's just ah, but it's different to expand the scope of what a star wars movie could be And also, of course, I wanted a riproar in good time That is exactly what I got right from the hey, so it looks like we're gonna begin the actual logins now You guys ready? This is gonna actually involve references to the film. This is where it's gonna get interesting The Mario soundtrack ready. You're gonna you're gonna piss everyone off if you keep using that That is exactly what I got right from the opening scene I could tell something was unique about this movie the movie begins with the space battle That is seriously one of the best space battles in the oh, okay, please give me a reason Go on go on higher series, but near the end It does something amazing in star wars. We've seen a lot of battles and in those battles We've seen a lot of random rebel pilots die, but I've never really cared about them. No disrespect You didn't care about porky I guess I mean, so I guess he didn't care about bigs. Um, wait Wait, why would you care about the rebels that died in the last Jedi like they're about as equally not as developed? Like just because you don't know their names the history of how they even came to be in the positions They are doesn't mean you shouldn't care about them. So what is wrong with you? Is it because they're women that you don't care about them? Jesus Really cared about them no disrespect to bigs and porkyms, but they were never really character you But the last Jedi shines a spot. Hang on. He said they were never really characters. How are these guys characters exactly? Yeah, that's her name exactly Asian it's page tico and I know that because everybody wanted her to be in rosa's place Because she's more attractive. Oh that is that is because because that is Because she's a lesh amist. That is it's a weird. I just saying it's your reason Because it's it's rose sister Oh, is that going to be her character that she was rosa's sister? I wonder rosa's hotter sister Light on page tico and for two minutes. She becomes the star of the movie page's destiny attempt to that's not I'm sorry. Okay How exactly do you learn about her character from this selection of she's just trying to activate a remote? That's it. Yeah, I don't understand like give me give me something here Come on to drop the bombs is more suspenseful and more emotional than anything. Yeah, you keep saying that that's what it is No references battle scene since luke's trench run And as that is epic as luke's trench run Just just saying it look it's all it's all opinion We're not going to get anything about the looks of things, but yeah, I'm surprised because I was just confused from the get go Watching this scene.  There's several significant design flaws, but which which what are you thinking about? Man, I don't know like the fact that it's very easy to destroy Yeah, that'll be one.  The fact that it takes like a hundred bombs to do what two y-wing bombs could do Just as easily in the ot and we saw in rogue one the y-wings could disable temporarily the star destroyers and then we see it from the ion cannon in um In episode five and it's like wouldn't that have just been just as good?  They destroy it.  I was like, I'll just ignore it. Enjoy the emotional bombers that are so useless They could have just had one of them jump into light be it right through the Um dreadnought. Oh and those those bombs well as red light media highlighted It's like why wouldn't you just fire them? Like missiles if they're that good that they just they just damage on impact. It's like I mean the tifers had trouble shooting the incredibly slow moving deployment of them So you probably get away with just shooting them.  I thought he I thought he bleeped his swear words Maybe you missed that one or I guess I don't know for and I've noticed a lot of people don't know I've never seen a bad star wars movie before again. Neither none of us did He clearly referenced the prequels. I'm confused Things in their star wars and I think that's kind of a bummer One of the reasons I love the empire strikes back is that it's constantly surprising The characters grow and change it shows us amazing new planets and creatures It changes our conception of star wars and the most disappointing. I'm just waiting for it It's just a movie where it opens up.  It's like that opened up what we consider to be a star wars movie Someone in the chat said did he just swear at his parents? Because remember they're sitting right across from him still Well, yeah fair enough the thing about return of the Jedi is how it doesn't really do that It mostly gives us a lot of things we've seen before like a death star or Tatooine Its big new additions to the mythos are a forest and the revelation that stormtrooper helmets can be played as drums Okay, are we doing the whole see revenge that everything sucks compared to the last Jedi and that's why it's good I'm just like, you know, it I would never concede that return of the Jedi is is worse than the last Jedi nor the prequels so I But apparently it added nothing new his his like requirements here are whether or not it added something new It's just like does it is there anything more than that? Like is it more complicated than that or is it just that? Return of the dead ice significantly better than any of the films Any of the newer films? Well, I mean, I agree with that, but apparently he He doesn't like it because all it added was that you can drum stormtrooper helmets How much new return of the return of the king add to Anything I don't get really much I don't get how it works. Why does it have to add something to be good and Why is that the timon or a feather? It's good. Cool But the last Jedi isn't content to recycle star wars greatest hits and just revisit old planets and reveal that Everyone is related to someone that we've met before it didn't have to be that she was related to somebody We know it just needed to be something that makes sense I mean they can answer a question instead of just nobody And she's just super powerful because we've reestablished how the force works now and that is If you're a a broom boy in some area, you'll also be as powerful as ray as long as you've Why why why why do you have to make it about this instead of talking about what actually happens You know like explaining where snoke came from it wouldn't matter if snoke was just some janitor on a spaceship We would be like, yeah, I don't care where he came from But his history literally Makes the story or breaks it It's like if you just told us he was early on if he was palpatine's apprentice this whole time We'd be like, well, where the hell was he and it's like, okay.  He's not Darth Plagueis though We'd be like, okay So he came back once palpatine was dead and it's like these these things just just they connect the stories They actually bridge the gap And why do we why do we need to know it's because and snoke did everything and it's like why do we need to Know about ray it's like well if we don't find out why she has so much power It kind of makes it really hard to be invested in it with a whole kills everything first try sort of bullshit Yeah, we don't know the history between the characters like we just don't really care about them like the way snoke like the reason why snoke is becoming like the biggest powerful entity in the galaxy We don't really know why or how it's like he said bridging the gap kind of okay explained I'm it is interesting to me that he has like this idea of bridging the gap He actually criticized tfa for it, but then simultaneously doesn't give a shit about who or what snoke is Like that seems to be a conflict to me, but there we are It has a story to tell and a mythology to expand I love that this movie finally shows us how the 1% live in this galaxy It finally has someone use the force to switch on a lightsaber It finally gives us an idea of what obu on meant when he said you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine Oh no, oh no He's arguing what that the lightning from yoda explains What obu one was talking about when he said I'll become more powerful and you could possibly imagine Even though that's what the force ghosts were That that was him becoming more than just human. That was the point I'll just I'll just replay it for you guys if you didn't quite get it Lightsaber it finally gives us an idea of what obu on meant when he said you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine You guys get that You follow it along I still don't get it So just to clarify by the way the 1% the upper echelon of class in star wars Wouldn't that just be like the people in naboo who were like royalty or the people Like palpatine was the 1% surely the jedi kind of up there. That was there was a class system going on We saw the slaves. We saw we know class has already existed Land wouldn't land or technically count that's 101 percent I suppose I guess it's different for every planet's the all different ecosystems or whatever But it is interesting by the way because I think some people in chat are picking up on it The fact you referred to them as the 1% it's almost like Hmm Seen a bit of a drip feed of politics there.  That sounds just stop it stop it It gives us great new Natural extent all of the things that he liked are very like irrelevant things I don't really care if star wars like show the 1% side like just yeah, like we we we want to see character related arguments not Fucking they showed how the one percent lives like it's very small. It's a very small Good thing I guess if you're I guess since we're feeling this so bad you have to like grasp so hard to the smallest things that are You can interpret as good Like why wouldn't you want to talk?  Maybe that's that's what we're doing right now Um as as for force for skype chat, uh, I don't necessarily have a huge issue with it But like You know like it's it's it's mostly fine. It's just like it's obviously an excuse to get them to speak to each other the protagonist and antagonist It's just that obviously Apparently it takes an incredibly powerful force to be able to do it and snook was obviously given that intro Which is why we kind of again wanted his history So that slots in nice and easy instead of just being like oh, he was super powerful more powerful than palpatine Also, he's dead by and it's like oh Ah, okay That was interesting tensions of what we've seen before and speaking of the force No other movie explains it as well as luke does here Um, I just yodered empire has has the definitive explanation of the force I'm I've been silent because it's like My It's like I don't know how anyone on earth can be as dumb as patrick willams. I don't think there's I mean Well An email jona hill once wrote describing a drum street men in black crossover intellectual maestro jona hill to quote jona hill. Yeah, this took a tid like all right rad and powerful I want to bring up something that doesn't get I missed that. Yeah roll that back. I missed that clean and rad. Oh wait An email jona hill once wrote describing a drum street men in black crossover It's clean and rad and powerful. I want to bring up something really rad and powerful Like my first soda Gonna gonna require some qualification there mr Mr patrice because I I don't really follow something that doesn't get talked about enough Star wars has always been weird.  Yeah That's not our argument Dude, I just realized like yoda shouldn't be casting lightning.  Just A one-eyed tentacle creature in the trash compactor. What does that have to do with anything? Okay And Do you think you think you said that as if people have forgotten he's like do you guys remember the episode four one? You know the old one not many people have seen it.   Okay, the giant alien cow thing that luke meant Okay, okay to be fair to be fair There was one person who did say that the last Jedi was bad because there's some weird shit Oh You don't want to be you do not want to be caught arguing for the the milk monster That's not a great position to have but go for it This is just the absolute worst screen to pause on Go for it and the last Jedi lives up to that legacy The giant alien cow thing that luke milks is one of my favorite additions to this Oh Why am I even I'm not even surprised by that It's one of his favorite additions I really want to hear him quantify Why this is This is real Explained I mean come on. You got the porgs. You got the the precious crystal fox ploys. You got you got those little horse Guamas things It's the the titty elephant thing He's gotta be All right, Patrick, let's we'll take you seriously The giant alien cow thing that luke milks is one of my favorite additions to this whole series Oh my god I was gonna give him the benefit of the balance In in all of star wars is a saga the alien elephant titties are the favorite.  He's actually arguing that if you don't like the alien elephant boobs, then you're you have bad taste A boring taste sorry like Oh I think I'd rather be boring than like whatever that thing is Jesus.  So you have only this movie the vent like Amazing he's just gonna skip the argument. Just go straight to look if you don't get it.  I'm sorry. Okay. You know, I genuinely thought like okay. Maybe we're laughing too early Maybe he's gonna be like you see this is what these like haters would say But no, he's just going with it. He's dude.  It was bizarre. It was like Why is why is there an opera singing chunky alien thing? Do you remember the one that was putting coins in bba? It was like super CGI Everyone's watching the film just like This is so you mean like a little gremlin looking thing Which was actually voiced by mark hamill as far as I know, which is the nice nice fact about it But yeah most and I'm saying this obviously not everyone But most people were citing the prequels when they came to this scene They were like, this is very prequel-ish and it was probably because of how much CGI was in it Even though the prequels aren't all CGI. I'm just saying Maybe you need to lay off that soy tea, buddy Hey, man, it's giving him great taste that I am jealous of good Don't you want to live in a world where you could enjoy all of these horrible things?  So I swear. I might actually lose my mind This is interesting, right? So when when hbomber guy defended doxels too a lot of people noted that he chose some really bad arguments instead of the actual strengths of the film. It would be like saying uh Game, sorry. So serial is great because it can power your car It can act as a shield from the sun if you pour it on yourself.  That's not why serial is good. It's like, why why are you making these arguments? So if if you're gonna defend the last jedi, there are several things that I personally would pick strategically uh kanto bite and alien booby monster not high on the list In fact, I would argue that pretty much on the bottom So what are you doing patrick? What are you doing?     Okay, fine. Fine. We're moving on. We're gonna talk about the better stuff I I cannot if he I just hope he don't I mean We're about to find out wolf.  It should just be entirely cut out of the movie I could spend several minutes here talking about how it's important to see the oppressed people in the galaxy And the hope that the resistance symbol inspires Yeah, yeah, yeah the hope the hope that they inspire when they've been in power for the past 30 years If you pay attention to the actual film as if As if the institution of the republic did anything for these people except actually encourage the activity The idea that the resistance were the ones that were going to save them where they did do shit for the past Three decades watch the film and you'll actually understand why it doesn't matter We actually we could believe that the first order might be the ones that save these people We don't actually know if kanto bite are subservient to the first order We actually get told they sell to both the bad guys and the good guys Did anyone watch this film when they decided to defend it? Like this is what I get about the the references. I'm like you're inventing the film. This is not what happened You're insane Rant over It's just a noise I could spend several reasons saying why it's you know a thing But then you know, I'm just not going to do that.  Yeah Oh wait, no wait, that's not it. Did you retweet it? I really want to see it, but it's not showing All right, I'll retweet it Someone sent me a picture of south park Yeah When you watch the milking scene in star wars the last Jedi and they just photoshopped Patrick williams face I'm too I haven't watched south park in years The guy with the mustache, you know, or he was jacking off there's computer and it's just everywhere. Oh randy Yeah I already retweeted it if you want to see it All right, well, I usually don't go on twitter until the end of the streams because I tried to take all the notifications at once then Yeah, I I would retweet it, but I'm banned from twitter for the week. So Oh, yeah, I don't know if you you want to mention that to these the people in the stream while you can. Oh, yeah, so um Basically, I said some jokes on twitter that were very obviously jokes And I said a word that people didn't like which wasn't even bad. It was retard And it's bad to them, dude well People wanted to see the series. Well, anyway, you know, it's just Because of that I I can no longer use twitter for a week because twitter banned me Yeah, wolf is off twitter for the week without a week without moves. Sorry.  Actually you still get pms, don't you? Yeah, I can still dm people, but it's like, well, who am I gonna do? Who am I gonna dm everyone I talked to I talked to on discord All right, then let's let's continue the galaxy and the hope that the resistance symbol inspires I could talk about how the failures you imagine how much you would hate the resistance You'd be like you guys have let us suffer for decades under your rule We thought things would change when you took down the empire, but you did nothing. I want to see that movie Let's see that movie By the way seven minutes in and I cannot believe I say this but Jared's review last time makes more sense Including the the detail that ray killed hard, you know, but that in there it still makes more sense symbol inspires I could talk about how the failures here caused by po and fin are essential teaching moments in both It didn't know it was the robot the robot court bba in the box.  This is what I mean though. He revises the scenes to match a narrative. It's really annoying Symbol inspires I could talk about how the failures here caused by po and fin are essential teaching moments in both of their arcs But what I really want to mention are three very important things number one a drunk goblin puts coins in bb8 and that rules Do we should we comment on that? I'm done. Should we even comment on that? Like It's almost as strong as his elephant booby argument, I'd say But sure let's see the next one. I'm starting to think this might actually be a troll video Like there is a good chance.   This is insane I can't believe you would make these arguments like even the worst last jedi defenders Have made better arguments even that guy that we debated the first time the first guy We ever debated more maybe he had better arguments. He did.  No, it's not so that's that's the thing I don't know if this is parody, but there's a lot of evidence stacking up against at this point Number one a drunk goblin puts coins in bb8 and that rules number two It is now canon that mas canada has had sex with justin throw number three Watching rich people get their shit destroyed is one of the purest pleasures in all of cinema And if you can't appreciate that I feel sorry for you So let's let's listen to that again and let's not say anything over it because that's that's a very interesting statement Goblin puts coins in bb8 and that rules Number two it is now canon that mas canada has had sex with justin throw Number three watching rich people get their shit destroyed is one of the purest pleasures in all of cinema So to clarify If you don't gain pleasure for watching rich people have their things destroyed he feels sorry for you He's a Can we just skip to the end of the video just to see if he's like uh This was all a joke because if it if that's the case Not really much point responded to the rest because like that's a bit like Whoa, dude, like if if you if you want people to take this seriously, it's like That's the bear The thing is even if it's a joke Even if he said that it's a joke there are so many people that take this seriously I know of course I don't I still don't think this is a joke I think this is it's not too far away from his plot holes video in terms of argumentation He's really bad at it Yeah But you know, oh he spots your skill share at the end too Okay, but let's get serious here for a long time now Okay, it was a joke. So all of it was a joke. Now we're serious. Okay. Let's just okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Go on Get serious here for a long time now I've had a beef with the original trilogy see return to the Jedi reveals that Luke and Leia are twins Which makes Leia Darth Vader's daughter and yet She seems to have zero connection to the force and she gets zero closure with her father Uh, wait, you are fine with rei having massive amounts of power Uh, without any kind of source, but you're not okay with Leia lacking a lot of power despite having a fair source Seems kind of inconsistent to me.  The reason why it doesn't bother The reason why it doesn't bother me wolf and and several others about Leia is because she hasn't been trained She hasn't unlocked the potential if you will like luke does in his trilogy like luke was just like leia Well, this is the thing We are annoyed at rei because she has unlocked a massive amount of power. We're like, how did you do that? No training. No one telling you anything. No one exploring anything with it. It's like, okay But with leia. We're like, oh Leia could be trained leia could be explained to you how it all works. She could have a moment on dig of us. So It's interesting to me because it's like that's our issue and he's looking at it in the reverse way He's like, yeah rei is great. That's fine. That makes sense. But leia Where's her moment with the force? It's like, well, why would she have a moment with the force?  She she contacts luke through the force Um in empire and uh You get it in the last jedi. Don't really she's in a coma. She felt han die through this things I'm curious if he's gonna add to this because this is him being serious now if you remember She seems to have zero connection to the force and she gets zero closure with her father Yoda says there is another but then she doesn't get to do anything because he was referred to star killer Oh God, do you understand the law?  She said god damn.  It's well, I guess to try and get us off the video. Maybe Not to get us to get us laugh I mean, I appreciate it if he literally did it just to get us to laugh because I mean I mean, if that's the case, it's like, okay, you filled the void that jared Yes Thank you Yeah Yeah, this is I've not actually heard this argument before by the way that people are annoyed that leia didn't do enough with the Force and the ot and that she didn't have closure with her father She you know, like those those are things that really weren't developed so they didn't have payoffs Like like you, you know, there's a story to be had there. I suppose but um Strange that's just not the focus at all and it doesn't really have anything She's got her own shit going on like is what I would say but then also to add to the whole like That's what makes that scene so good is that we see her using the force It's like we could have had any other way of doing that We didn't we didn't need mary poppins. That was not the requirement And oh there's debates constantly about whether or not she should have survived it It's just like can we just drop it? Of course. She shouldn't have survived it Skywalker which leads me to another thing I love about this movie It directly It doesn't mean that she can't She doesn't need training because both Anakin and Luke did That's the thing that people tend to really look past like Attica the prodigy the one with the most midichlorians He still needed training for what like two decades And that's a lot of training by the way It's a lot and you're still training under the emperor we could assume so Yeah, leia should just be that powerful. This is the problem This is the exact problem with ray and you know, it's even worse with ray because she has no relation Because at least if she was a skywalker we could be like, okay, I guess She somehow managed to tap into luke's power Without training that you know, that would still be kind of an issue but not even that She's a goddamn skywalker which leads me to another thing I love about this movie It directly addressed something that I've thought about for years, but maybe The jedi kind of suck Like maybe they're elitist monk like rules where they bury all their emotions Yeah, I think we all were on board I thought that was the point of the prequels of the jedi were uh, we're bloated and uh They had rules that we didn't really appreciate From my point of view the jedi area Yeah, like that's kind of a part that's a big part of the trilogy is like 12 years ago and you know that This is a complicated subject but it's like yeah the prequels are the story of how the jedi essentially Through their own you could you could argue like like uh So it's sort of apathy like they're so comfortable in their position that the you know, there's a snake in the rows Brighton in in front of them But uh Let's see where he's going with this I suppose what like maybe they're elitist monk like rules where they bury all their emotions Aren't especially healthy and who the fuck said they were that were that was healthy Like I don't think anybody interpreted it as healthy It has been explored in many many star wars stories not just the prequels, but the expanded unit versus well Colts are exploring it. Um Do you think it's a republic under the impression is like do you think luke was emotionless in the ot? He would go directly against all the teachings of the jedi in terms of maintaining no emotional attachments Kind of I don't even watch the prequels like Yeah, this is strange that he's using the prequels to defend the last jedi as well Those strict rules that led anakin skywalker to freaking out and murdering a bunch of kids and becoming dark Yeah, if let's just we'll leave that one go I suppose because he's pretty much on our team for the how it's like ridiculous And now we know that luke tried to start a new jedi order and then pretty much the same thing happened all over again So when luke said Really, I don't I don't think everyone's trying to kill Um, yeah, it's a little bit different because you know, you've got an actual sith lord who's orchestrated the destruction of the entire senate he is is And then you've got luke for some reason tried to murder his His his sister and best friend's son in his sleep and then he decided in turn Do you remember how that goes? He wakes up He then locks swords with luke and pulls the roof down on him luke gets knocked out kylo then kills every student Other than the knights of ren and then leaves with them and luke wakes up to the aftermath How insane is that that kylo was asleep?  He just forgets about luke.  They're like, oh my god.  Why are you as good looking as your dad?  What have you done? It's like, oh, I'll make a new death star.  He's like, yeah, sure. I don't know who you are, but it seems about right Yeah, same exact story as a prequels really says the jedi don't work and should just stop before they ruin things some more Yeah way to generalize it luke says that the jedi gave rise to palpatine and they were the ones that trained vader Which is the kind of shit that really bugged me in the film because I was like, yeah Just ignore the parts where the jedi were the ones that stopped him, you know, you are that guy You were the jedi that brought peace back, but let's ignore that part Let's ignore the fact that all the jedi were betrayed and backstabbed across the prequels Yeah, that's when they tried to prevent the rise of the sith. Let's ignore that too Let's just say that the jedi caused it Someone said that kylo ren is a school shooter I mean, it's the exact same storyline people have actually compared him to that Like they said So basically it's like oh, so kylo ren killed all the people because they didn't have light saber control. Oh got it Some of you guys are all right. Don't come into the jedi temple tomorrow Fucking out He knew that luke was gonna try and kill it that night I'm sitting there in the theater applauding and shouting yes, thank you But wait, let's slow down a little bit because that's not exactly what's happening here Despite what luke says at the beginning the movie doesn't actually think the jedi should end After all at the end after luke has learned and grown he straight up says I will not be the last jedi That doesn't mean that he supports the idea that the jedi should continue He just points out the fact that he's not the last one But it's besides the fact that yeah the the idea of the jedi had broken is terrible from luke's perspective It doesn't even make sense like one of my issues with luke's character in the film The movie doesn't want the jedi to end it wants them to evolve This whole movie is about moving on from the past I like the force awakens and I think it does a great job introducing interesting new characters But the movie is obsessed with the past It brings back the original status quo and the original conflict and it's structured around Well, no force awakens kind of did that but The last jedi have obliterated them again quote-unquote You know, they've destroyed their entire army of star destroyers and ripped the The um, what was it called the supremacy in half? So like We don't even know if that's actually going to have an effect on the first order I guess we'll find out in the next episode if that actually matters or if they just have another fleet of star destroyers because But um, yeah, I would I would blame the force awakens for resetting the uh the status quo more so than the last jedi The last jedi did new things guys. We can appreciate that The story beats we've seen before and full of images we've seen before but the last jedi moves forward Maybe he was saying that that is the case Is he saying that the last jedi is progressive? Well He's saying it moves forward And he and he did he did mention that they did stick it to the 1% don't forget that I was gonna say well for how are you not reacting let's just let's just hear that again. Let's hear that again I'm not going to spend 10 minutes explaining how immaculately crafted the character arcs are because that's all covered in a great video On the channel just right that you should know So to clarify for you patrick since you are completely out of it One of just right's points we're about po and how he refuses to learn and how Holdout keeping the information from him was due to the fact that she couldn't trust him We had a debate with him And I got we we got him to the point of being silent when we actually explained how it doesn't make any sense at all For her to hold that information So maybe that video isn't as well crafted as most would think you know what we should cover that at some points We never actually did we covered his um His video explaining reader response theory, but we never actually did that one We could we could put that on the list Yeah, that would be good, but I thought you did cover this one though No, no, I've seen it, but I've never watched it on like a stream or anything um But yeah, it's the the the true reasoning behind this by the way is that they promote each other's videos I don't think they actually give a shit really It's more about you scratch my back. I'll scratch yours because if you remember just right promoted his video on um uh plot holes What are you doing? Well well Oh, that's what you try to get I mean you you just you could leave it. It's okay I think most people in this stream have probably seen that anyway If you haven't look for the just right debate on on dissonant wolf's channel, but um Yeah, the the uh, the biggest thing with with just right was that he told us was that he kind of regrets making his hobbit series because um He didn't want to take anyone's enjoyment of the films out of them which uh Is kind of a sad sort of regression of his channel being that he wanted to celebrate good writing Criticized bad writing now. He only wants to celebrate good writing and proper bad writing Even if it's bad like it's it doesn't really care as long as it made people feel stuff so um It is interesting that this has come full circle now because he was promoting patrick and now patrick's promoting him I guess that's just a A back and forth. Why not their friends, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not saying probably talk to each other patrick won't though They'll give just to write this at least He had the balls to come on and talk to us patrick has outright admitted on his twitter account That he will not talk to people that he doesn't have respect for yeah, and then he's developed into like people he agrees with basically And that's the thing literally just outright admitted that he lives in an echo chamber I mean that's the thing there are some people Some people like like are okay with that they'll be like, yeah, that's defendable. That's fine. It's just like well It's not going to give you a very broad view of media ever He did say that if you didn't like the titty monster scene, uh, you're not his friend We can't be friends anymore Yeah, you still invited patrick to come and watch bad video essays with us on this on this on this channel We'll we'll do it with you. It'll be fun He won't do it But the movie beautifully weaves together arcs for ray fin po luke and kylo ren and which they all I'm sorry.  I have a good guy. No, I have a bad guy. I have a good guy. There's your bad guy Like interesting. He's just he does. No, I nobody has any idea what kylo's doing. Kylo certainly doesn't Yeah It's embarrassing because you know taken off is sure a lot of people cite the fact that if he had actually like left the first order or You know done his own thing become a lone wolf and be like, oh, that could be interesting I wonder where he's gonna it's like no he just literally as soon as ray leaves is the defacto empire again and just starts assaulting hoth because why not rain I love it.  It's just confusion The rain Is that in one film? Would you say or would you say across the three? Well, I count the three as one film anyway. Oh, well, yeah in that case it extended that does have quite a few hours on the last Jedi If anything war Uh, you got iron man. I would say is is definitely a strong one People like who else who else would you say like Thanos would be too? Um Because a lot of characters are there right and I'm not saying it's a bad thing because I don't think you can have like, you know It's like give everyone an arc give all 40 characters an arc.  It's just that do you really think the last Jedi was one of the films that did that? No Oh, oh, I got one the gray. There's six meaningful character arcs Oh, there you go.  Learn from failure and move on from the past Finally all tying together right at the moment when haldo tears a star destroyer in half in one of these straight up Coolest moments in recent cinema And if you're too hung up on the made-up science in this fictional world of space wizards to enjoy that Then I weep for you because I weep for you.  Where's this hyperdrive? Why isn't millennium falcon just hyperdrive?  It's the biggest of the capital ships. I believe in history of The Star Wars episode, but they still had those capital ships in episode six Someone in the chat. I'm sorry. It just made me laugh really hard Someone said how does this mother not beat him? I forgot that they're even in this video like what was the point of them? I guess they're just a gag.  It's the consistency between the films that we have issues with not necessarily the science of it Yeah, it's not I can I can believe it that you can hyperspace into something and it destroys it It's just the the other episodes are relying on the idea that that's not a thing.  It's like I'm gonna go ahead and follow the uh, the good ones if you don't mind One more time this is a movie about space wizards intended for children But the point and that's why you've spent so long explaining why you adore this film And it's got some of the best cinematic experiences In recent memory.  So Well, I was gonna say that I don't know if that's a low blow or not Is that it is he that was that what he's trying to say Is he like I love this and I think it is for children. Therefore I'm kind of like a kid like I don't know He did kind of say that and the space wizards argument as so many people getting frustrated at it It's just like it doesn't mean anything.  I don't know why you think it helps you The time making is that this is a movie about moving forward It is not as some people believe about burning the past or killing the past I don't think you're gonna have Good luck arguing that one Isn't that the definition of like moving forward like I mean you could argue that. Yeah, uh, get rid of the past to move forward But you know this film Shits on the ot More so than any other Star Wars film ever did. That's why it's like wow. They really hated the past, didn't they?   I've got to see what the reasoning is for that Okay, well at least At least he knows that dexter. Well, no, that's not a joke because dexter is the best character in the star wars expanded universe I'm just saying we needed to do a star wars story But There's a lot of people I hate everything is one of the people that says that kylo is the best character across the saga It blows my mind how you Do you know how easy it would be for me and wolf to just write a story? Where there's a character who just keeps doing things They're just good and bad things and they just keep doing things and the audience is like wow I wonder what their actual motivations are their goals are What they what they value and that's how you write the best character apparently when you have nothing to go on When they're just insane. They just do things people like So interesting. You know why? Because they're generating the character themselves They're like, oh they're conflicted because of this this and they're doing this because of this this It's like we didn't even get the scene where luke tried to kill kylo and people were saying the kylo was the best character in Saga from force awakens, which again, we've got barely anything to go on We really have nothing to go on with kylo. He's just crazy. He does bad and good things all the time He was the best character on the new trilogy is not saying much He's like a psychopath at the end of force awakens like trying to destroy everything kill everyone Despite even with the wound and then like throughout the last Jedi.   He's so complicated. It's like, uh Sure people in the chatter pointing out. He's pretty much just a Really bad knockoff of jason solo from the books I don't really know much about jason solo, but yeah, I've definitely heard that before as well. It's but Let me ask you this is he gonna be a good guy or a bad guy in in the ninth episode when it starts Well, bad guy The assumption would be bad guy But if it started with him basically being outside of the the first order and then he contacts ray and says We need to stop them and then she's like, why should I trust you? I would just immediately be like, yeah I guess he could do that. He just flip flops all the time. So Just be careful ray if you defeat the first order with him Like who will be the villain that they will fight together if he ends up being a good guy It'll be because you know glorm as I explained in my series.    It's like no, he's the bad guy. He's just he's decided you're like huh Wonder if they're gonna do then episode nine to make him sympathetic because this is the thing they keep running out of times to make the audience go Oh, I guess he is a good guy.  It's like kylo I don't even know what what they what they're going for I swear to god if they redeem him at the end of episode nine that they're like He's actually the good guy and like ray dies to save him or something. I would be like, oh god At least we got rid of the mary soon new maz cannot is gonna die for him. We'll be like, oh my god maz Oh, no, how did you get here? Who are you? I forgot. Which one are you?   And then he becomes the new vader.  You're like, oh, Jesus And yeah, it'll be that's why I want to see episode nine because we will have the answers because it will end Like the story will be well Who knows maybe they'll bait a sequel trilogy if you know what I mean by that like three movies to be Yeah But I I don't get it.  Kylo's confusing to me I just like I think the biggest problem I have with him is the same as Anakin where The event that makes him evil does not explain the event of murdering innocent people in scores immediate because a lot of people cite the fact that Anakin killed the tusken raiders kids and like As that that's like a like a tell for how I just think there's a difference between like massacring a village full of people who are essentially like I don't know they capture and torture people regularly right versus What look to be what like five year olds? They're all hiding in a room like so, you know for me, it's difficult to accept that But then you've also got the kylo one where it's like, yeah, I don't understand And it's like why are we in this position? Well, because they gave us three flashbacks All of which were the same moment just told from slightly different Perspective like instead of actually taking some time to sort of show the progression Why did kylo turn evil and why did that matter? Who was he before then? What did luke see it's like nah, no none of those are answered you have stuff to think it up yourself I mean at least fan fiction writers have lots of work to do Yeah, they actually do research They could be the ones that explain all this We should end the Jedi it's saying we should take some of their lessons But maybe not the dogmatic interpretation of their way of life Oh kind of like the ot kind of like how the ot was like luke is pretty much a jedi But the new jedi because he clearly had emotional attachments to the point of trying to save veda against yoda and obu one's wishes Kind of like how we explored this already kind of like how the prequel showed The bad side of the dogmatic nature of the jedi kind of like how the last jedi doesn't make sense in its message anyway, but Go on nice I mean guys yoda shows up and straight up states the theme the greatest teacher Failure is which is one of my criticisms If you have a theme don't bat it into the face of the audience.  He's like playing the character. He was when luke first met him Where he's just like Destroy everything burn the temple. I just what happened to the freaking fish nons in the morning when they were like This is our only job to take care of this fucking place and you burnt it down you asshole And it's like I didn't do it the ghost puppet did it Oh, I just like that er is pretty much replaced the bad memories of this movie with some happy ones But yeah, I'm surprised as a film major study a person that he's he's blatantly okay with a theme Just being told to the audience of a film What we're supposed to do with a film or a story is delve into the subtext and use the references to infer Like a message or an idea that's consistent throughout it instead of just going the theme of this film Failure is best teacher. You're like, oh Okay Neat When it comes to its main themes, this movie is not subtle and yet a whole lot of people miss what is Should be subtle. Yeah, the theme should be subtle I was gonna say the theme is blatant and in your face. Then you did a theme wrong He's apparently aware of this And he's using it as a counterpoint like people didn't catch the theme even though it was obvious I think they did the problem is how badly done it is Just because you have a theme doesn't mean it's virtuous of being a theme like come on You has to be well done. You can't just go You know and in we've been through this with We did this with just right. We were like there's a there's a theme of you know friendship and betrayal in the room Like does that mean does that mean the room is incredible now? It's like And I think just right was like, well, you know, there are some people out there As soon as we said that it was like, okay Yeah, it's done. It's over He wants to say that the room is a masterpiece by subjective standards. So sure whatever Failure is when it comes to its main themes. This movie is not subtle People miss what it's doing because they'd rather obsess about how I don't know force fields work now. What? What I thought he was gonna reference the lightning from yoda that would make more sense But no, he went with force fields. I can't even think of a thing Were there force fields in the last jive? I'm not sure what he's referencing Maybe the gravity part of the bomber that they would have been of they're supposed to be a force field See this is the thing a lot of people Said they're really annoyed with my series because I didn't talk about the themes and I focused on plotters and stuff I've got like a 20 minute section on themes in the third part It's probably not that long But like I go into how stupid it is to use themes alone as a defense for the film And it's like trust me just because I hated the plot holes doesn't doesn't mean that I ignored the themes I saw them. They were clear as day Of course, and this is what I mean. It's like they hammered into you as part of why they're so bad Ray po fin and kylo all learned from their failures and grow as people Is the best and the moment when he Oh god Go back. Go back. Go back. Patrick. You can't lay that on us so quickly I Is not subtle and yet a whole lot of people miss what it's doing because they'd rather obsess about how I don't know force fields work now while ray po fin and kylo all learned from their failures and grow as people Side note fin's arc is the best and the moment when he wrecks phasma and probably declares himself to be rebel scum Is my favorite moment in the movie and it didn't make any sense Because he has no reference for the rebels only the resistance. We should have said I'm resistance scum or something but even outside of that though his arc Does anyone have a stab at what they thought his arc was because I'm still pretty lost on that one He doesn't even have any training to face phasma. He became scum. I guess That sounds kind of racist Imagine if he's like resisted scum Just sound as good as it Um, so yeah, his he goes from being I want to run away from everything to okay I want to run away, but I will defend the people I love being ray I suppose or care about Then he goes to in order to protect ray this time. I need to leave the ship and you know Go back to being sort of cowardly and bumbling because they have a couple of bumbly jokes with him again Which I've never really gotten with fin. I don't know why they make him bumbling all the time It's just like okay cool. He's like a clown.  I'm gonna die for the resistance The most confusing shit ever to think about Yeah It's a very confused character arc If there is everyone like I said, I I've put it in my video But I just I cannot get over the fact that he has a lesson on how Morality goes both ways and how there is no right guy in this in this war And then he decides there is a right guy from that. It's like How did you get that? How did that happen? Kind of missing the point there fin Because yeah, because dj would be so disappointed in him. You feel like I thought I told you man. She's But yeah, okay fine. He's got the best dog apparently Okay The best example of this is mr. Lucas skywalker drinker of milk and catcher of big fish now I love luke skywalker. I love him when he's whiny. I love him when he's heroic And I really love him when he's conflicted and in the conversation around the last chat I've discovered that a lot of people have misunderstood luke skywalker for a really long time Well, okay It's the same thing macintosh said is that we don't get it. It's always that's always hard work. Okay Okay, we don't go on luke's presentation here is one of the most controversial aspects of the movie They took our hero and made him a sad bitter old man. And yeah, I get it It's and they didn't explain it. But yes, go on a bit of a shock. Just look at ray. She's shocked She thought he was going to walk out with a laser sword and face down on the whole first order And he has no intention of doing that now I've spent an unhealthy amount of time reading the comments from this movie's detractors and a ton of I thought you didn't I thought you didn't have it. No, why people don't like it Really? He said he didn't know why people didn't like it. I thought that's what he said. He's a liar If you actually did you would actually respond to their arguments A lot of these things that you point out are mostly straw men Yes, uh, nobody's arguing nobody's arguing about the force field. It's like also Why are you looking at the comments for for comments on a kid's movie, dude?   Wait, he has milk too in the other videos. This is kid's drinks. I'm taking it seriously as a drink What's that little blue thing by your hand patrick? Yeah, it's probably a kid's thing That's what it looks like to me. It looks like the the lid of a cookie jar Why are you in cookies kids kids eat cookies? People wanted him to be off on that island learning ancient Jedi secrets getting more powerful and then showing up to Didn't have to be that didn't have to be that it could have been that he was looking for an answer on how to Maybe fix something or or learn about some Trick that could have helped in some way doesn't it doesn't have to be that he becomes god Or something it didn't he could have died in this film By failing to defeat someone in a fight like snook for example, and you still could have done it. Well it's by execution my friend and The biggest issue by the way is like I've always said is like luke could have been The guy we saw in that film But if you don't show us how he got there, which by the way would take like three films probably to do it correctly And we're just not going to believe that's luke. Why should we? It's just a new guy that you called luke and you wanted to tell us that he used to be luke simple as that It's jake skywalker Make name people gave to him Someone in the chat said waiting for the random shot at cinemasons. I'm sure we'll get that Pull star destroyers out of the sky and Becoming a super Saiyan I guess but luke skywalker is not a power fantasy Who are you countering with this who are you talking to? Who is who is saying I want to see luke pull star destroyers out of the space Okay, good for you. I read every comments guys. I read every yeah That's the most consistent thing people were saying they wanted to see luke pull star destroyers out of space That was that's what I was reading everywhere. That's what me and wolf said I think that was the end of both of our videos. We said the biggest issue Was that he didn't pull star destroyers out of space A new hope is not a bad ordinary kid just like star killer Yeah, I was gonna say he must maybe he's referencing that he just doesn't want to admit it I don't know but luke skywalker is not a power fantasy A new hope is not about an ordinary kid becoming the biggest badass in the galaxy It's about an ordinary kid who wants to be a part of something greater To have a purpose in the universe and as his story goes on he does that but finds out that it's way more complicated than he thought Why are you saying this like it counters something? It's so bizarre You know, it's funny how he said um that we don't understand luke skywalker. He says Yeah, everything so far. He said about luke is correct And he's saying it like you see you were wrong the whole time. It's like no, this is what we are saying What are you doing?  I can't believe he's used that on this scene.  Oh, Jesus. Why couldn't you've picked anything else? Stop it Luke's a complicated guy and to return to him 30 years later and have him be an ultra powerful paragon of goodness Would be pretty boring. Oh my good god At least explain how he can be from one to the other. That's what people are arguing Jesus christ as simple as that if we if luke was luke it would have been boring That's how that works You know who else is complicated rey it's weird that she gets accused Oh, Jesus christ. He's gonna hug you rey's complicated Do you remember the do you remember the scene where rey says uh He says why are you here rey and she's like I have no idea Because there's nothing to go on. She has no idea what's going on As to being a flawless character who never makes mistakes because man. She has got problems She has no idea what you're gonna have to really really lie about the narrative this time You're gonna have to stretch the seeds as best you can Yeah, that's true. She does she does seem to connect with different people She's doing the feminist face now Wouldn't be pretty boring. You know who else is complicated Rey it's weird that she gets accused of being a flawless character who never makes mistakes because man She has got problems. She has no idea what to see. Uh, I can't help She has a problem. I can't help it seem as very he's very manipulative in the way He just said that right that he deliberately throws in the the idea So instead of saying people are saying that she has no flaws and they cite these as reasons I'm gonna argue against that instead of that. He skips over those people as if they're irrelevant He's like man. Does she have so many flaws? It's like No, you know that that is that is the complete opposite of the the most common things said about rey It's like you're doing it to quickly get rid of it You're like no the idea that she has no flaws out of the way out of the way Like we're not talking about that. We're talking. We're gonna talk about all these things that I'm just gonna make up For fuck's sake She has no idea what to do with herself and why is No idea what to do with herself.  It makes her non-human She's like she had a goal that she just forgets about it. Now. She's just following She's like a pinball inside a pinball machine. She's just like, whoa. Whoa. I'm over here now Whoa, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go see luke. I fine. I guess. Whoa. Oh now. I'm getting trained by luke sort of not I'm gonna go to kylo now. Whoo. I have no reason to do any of these things But yeah, rey is kind of like that that guy who's trying to join your group of friends But none of you actually want him to be there and you're just kind of hoping that he'll leave at some point And he has like no interest so you could just say it.  And he's like, oh stuff Neat I really like how he says that rey has so many flaws I have so many flaws because she doesn't have she has no idea what to do and yet she can like fly the The millenium falcon like early on Like without even it just is some training. Yeah, like not knowing where you want to go today That's not really what people call her flaw. He'll be you'll be all right, especially if you're as powerful as her As flaws go, you know, everyone else is dealing with like addiction or Just sins in general like pride and stuff. She's just like, yeah, I'm not sure where I'm going to to be honest I might go over there and they're like, oh I hope that works out for you and she's like, who knows we'll find out episode night. I suppose different people Hoping they'll provide her with some sort of guidance. She plainly states it I need someone to show me my place in all this And this brings us to the incredible moment when kylo ren reaches out his hand and offers her a place She can belong these We have no idea what he's even really offering it. He's just like let's Let's go to somewhere Let's leave the first order and and go somewhere. Maybe to a planet. Chill out somewhere I can show you the galaxy Like let's be honest if she'd take his hand and he was like, let's get into a shuttle and then they just fly away It would be like Ray What are you doing? What's what's the plan here, Ray? What what's what's gonna happen now? Like don't you this is the part that really fucks with my mind is that she Furiously hates him at the end of force awakens on the beginning of this film and it takes her like The story that luke saw a bad future in kylo to convince her that kylo is worth saving It's like but you've seen that luke was right He did have a bad. It's like yes, but luke caused it.  It doesn't make any sense at all. And it's just They look at it as layered. They look at it as complicated. You're like, oh I guess I guess you could look at it like this movies have had a lot of moments Where bad guys ask good guys to join them But this was the first time that I thought there was a chance the good guy might actually accept And that is the mark of good storytelling You can't even tell us why it's just she didn't know where she was going So why not join the bad guys? I suppose It wouldn't have made any sense. She has investments in the good guys. She knows all of the good guys Why would she go with kylo?  But interesting that you just call it good writing. It's fascinating So I've talked a lot about how I wanted this movie to push Star Wars forward and do new things and it did all of that But I also said I wanted a riproar in good time and it is absolutely 100 percent that The thing begins with the space. I mean, yeah, if characters say woo, you know This is all you need at that point Um, wait, didn't you say this before? Like what? Didn't you say that? Well, it's I just I just wanted a good time and then he proceeded to say which one would have best battles like Well, if you I mean, yeah, he definitely has complimented the battle already, but why not just do it again, you know 100 percent that The thing begins with the space battle and ends with a desperate last stand where the resistance has nothing to use But ms dos computers and janky little what? Oh, what okay Fighters on a salt plant and porgs are popping up everywhere. Why is why is that a positive? Phasma has a sweet spear Sure, every single thing in the scene rules so hard except the choreography Sure everything rules. Oh my god.  It's just this is good. Even if it's awful. This is good Okay Has a sweet spear and every single thing in the scene rules so hard and also this is the funniest goddamn thing I feel sorry. Do you feel it? Yes, I feel it. That's the force. Really? Wow. It must be really strong with you Ow, and yeah guys this movie is yeah, I'm fine with that joke, but it doesn't save the movie That that that that scene was funny, but it doesn't save the movie funny I know you love all sour puss christ for Nolan and the stoic dower tone. He brings to everything, but What what? Where did that come from?  What the hell are you doing right now arguing that there's comedy and dramatic films infinity wall came out This year, I don't know Wait, what was the movie that he said it was funny? good fellas What Okay, I guess it used to have one joke in it for it to be as good as the last Jedi I guess that's the required. I have no idea what's going on anymore Wolf you alive No, wolf is dead. Patrick killed it Intense and emotionally devastating a movie can make you feel different things humor is good. Why am I even explaining this? You have to explain it because it was totally borked. You can have comedy and drama, but you don't do what Ryan Johnson did Nobody's even arguing that the like the huber is like Has anybody even argued that the huber in the last Jedi was bad? Well, I've definitely heard people argue that the the joke like the the yo mama joke didn't exactly land for a lot of people Did it and I have to return He's he's just said wolf in defense of the humor in the last Jedi that there is humor in films, you know What don't you agree are you saying there isn't humor in good films? Is that what you're saying? You know dramatic Oh god And unrelated, but I just want to mention how much I love adam driver's delivery of blow that piece of junk Yeah, I loved him going right back to being a cartoon after Baiting development and then removing it. It was great. God. Look at that face This is a movie about moving on moving on from failures and selfishness and self loathing and empty heroics Moving on from only certain families being and those are nice ideas, but they executed them horrifically badly Being special and everything being like it was 30 years ago Moving on from the same old story beats and the same old status quo Which they brought back and then reestablished and continued. They did not break it at all Even people who even people who liked the last Jedi will usually cite that it's such a shame that kylo became You know the emperor basically and that we're back to being rebels versus empire again. It's like don't mention that part though Patrick don't mention it I love star wars I love the world and the characters and the feeling I get every time that the title hits the screen as the fanfare Explodes out of the speakers and watching the last Jedi. I was hit by a thought For the first time I could see this story continuing for decades to come Yeah, they can run it right into the ground babe. You are right We should stop. They're gonna make millions where you have to stop That would do it. I'm not even kidding when I saw that scene my takeaway was Oh, they have an excuse to make a million star wars films now. That's the only reason this scene exists You know that you can't just keep a series going forever because it tends To turn into shit every time What long running series James Bond is just up and down and up and down like this good was bad was good was bad The latest one was awful as far as I know I haven't actually seen it. Yeah A lot of people didn't like it, but there's a new bond coming as far as I know Well, yeah, but doesn't James Bond. I'm not super familiar with I'm not at all familiar with the James Bond films Isn't it like it's not all the same continuous story. It's more like It's almost a genre. It's practically just a spy like each film is connected by genre really more like superhero films in that sense Yeah, it's not the same continuous story At some point you can't you can't continue the same story forever and ever and ever and ever and ever You can't obviously they can jump to another part of the galaxy or universe even and have no references to Any of the characters that we know and love or whatever which by the way I'd be on board with because you can just make something with star wars I don't know rules in the universe obviously because the force is quite a fun thing to To mess around with bounty hunters are cool. You can make loads of alien things But like no if they carry on with ray It's just gonna go on and on and there's a thing I think some people on this planet thought that maybe we could fast forward by a million years and we have like Thousands of star wars films and you know what? Maybe more than half of them were good.  It's like No, I'd rather you just stop making them now Yeah, like solo bomb for god's sake like it's The how solo bomb it's just it's astonishing like also it's funny You'll find a lot of people are like bombed.  We'll we'll genuinely I think the damage the last Jedi has done will be found in the box office Episode nine rather than solo, but solo definitely shows Blood in the water if you will Yes It was the moment in the battle of crete when the Millennium Falcon arrives with chewy in the pilot seat and ray Operating the gun turret my mind flashed forward years from now and I thought about how we'll talk about star wars in terms of Errors there will be constants through the series the Millennium Falcon will remain But we'll talk about the era when Han Solo owned it or the era when I hope it doesn't or when l3 piloted it Never remember that era or when l3 became it. Oh all of it great Jesus Rated and this was all because of things the last Jedi did This was no longer a story about special people from a few select bloodlines That's not what that's that was never the restriction. It was never What bloodline did Anakin have born out of nothing And then what about all the people on the jedi council? Were they all from skywalkers lidiage or something like come on That's not what they were saying skywalk. He was just legendary to he was he was prophesied to be the most powerful Jedi That's that's and they judged it by midichlorian count or whatever. Maybe that's potential I'd have to look at the actual explanation for it because I can't remember but The prequels and the ot never said you have to come from a bloodline to be powerful Or to be a force user. Let's say that's not a thing. You're inventing that the last Jedi didn't change Of course works Like I love how they change the narrative to that our complaints are not that it's that we this is crazy I know but we like the idea that you train practice and become better at a skill That's cool to us because we relate to that It's something humans have to do pretty much across the board Anything you want to do you have to get better at it by doing it. It's a thing You don't just automatically become the best fucking carpenter in the world Yeah, I actually really like the idea I actually really like the idea of like new people from Different parts of the galaxy just becoming legendary based on their own merits rather than lineage People really like that idea. It can happen though. That's the thing It was never like you can't have it. This is the thing They could have traveled to a planet where there was a force using guy But he wasn't like a Jedi and he could just be like he's he's the warrior of this planet or something like that There's the the originals never said you couldn't do that. Simple as that He's like no the last Jedi opened it up. It's like this was a story about a whole galaxy And the people it was a story about a space chase at a casino world. That's what it was about. There's there's no galaxy in there Are you kidding me? The one thing that everyone pretty much universally agrees upon with the disney trilogy is that they've made an enormous universe feel extremely small And that everyone happens to bump into each other like they're all of the supermarkets. It's But this thing Did this better where they made it at least kind of feel like you were in the same galaxy Yeah, they gave us Takodana was a planet they went to and then we had the death star planet. That's something I guess we got crate wolf. So you can't complain about hoth 2.0. All right Who shape its future could come from anywhere.  Should it really be anyone can just do everything though? Well, that's that's the difference He's kind of arguing what as if as it our problem is that anybody can become Darth Vader now And he's saying yeah, that's great that anybody Is allowed to use power and train is like no, no, no, we're saying that they skip the part Where they become it they just are it and that's the problem We're fine with anyone becoming powerful over time Just you know, you have some goblin Who's like in a sewer and he realizes he can actually move something if he really concentrates And then we have a whole movie about him getting powerful and then he starts his own religion And then the Jedi are like no, you're a Jedi and you know, that could be a story I want to see the goblin man fight the Jedi. There's there's my star wars story. There you go, disney make it I'm on board goblin man. I want a sith movie on korban. That'd be great I want I want a horror movie in the star wars universe.  Not a movie. It's a book and it's literally just dead space, but star wars And that's what I would say is actually doing a job of getting outside of what star wars is More so than the last Jedi the last Jedi was just like a mess like somebody who likes the last Jedi star wars But thought that loads of it was wrong Like oh, they did this and the originals and I didn't like that. So let's fix it. It's like no, please stop it. Stop him Time I watch it. I found that idea more and more moving I don't care who that kid with the broom is it doesn't matter What I do care about is the hope and determination I see in his eyes He looks pretty bored to me Where's the hope and determination exactly Is so I I go over at the video It's like it's so dumb that he gets so inspired by the story from luke when the only people who could tell it Would have been from the perspective of the resistance. All they saw was him walk outside They don't really see what happens after that They just like have to assume and then from the perspective of the storm troopers. It's like Oh, well, he was a ghost holla he was a hologram Uh, I don't know And it's someone's like, oh that sounds really heroic. It's like I don't know what it was He just he was there and then he was gone. I don't know Like why would kids be inspired by that compared to the story of luke and his friends taking down the death star twice and obliterating The fascistic government like how are they even remote? 30 years ago and that has managed to become a story that's fallen into myths so hard that nobody finds it inspiring It's like how sad is that? You're a Jedi Harry Ever since George Lucas made that first film Star Wars has been about how an ordinary person can escape their circumstances and become a part of something greater And the last guy is a weirdo that understands that Okay, and now because I couldn't find a more natural way to incorporate them into the speech I want to just mention a bunch of random little things I love in this movie the incredible texture and color palette of steve yedlin cinematography John williams's score and how he weaves together countless light motifs from the entire Things that you could say about pretty much all the star wars films Yeah, a lot of mainstream Highly-budgeted films these days, and I'm not even saying that as a criticism I'm saying that when you have a very high budget you can afford the very best Lighting and camera and cgi artists, and I'm not saying that their craft isn't appreciable. It is appreciated, but It's unfair because the people who make indie films who only have them two friends and ten dollars to make a film with But have an incredible story By this guy's standards, it would be like no, I wish it that he's like the Someone in the chat pointed out that this contradicts what he said because apparently he said that the score was boring and forgettable Did he really when I I don't know it was just someone that someone said it in the chat I don't know if it's actually true or not To be honest, yeah, because I was gonna say he didn't say in the plot holes video But I haven't seen all this stuff White that nervous expression off your face to reveal the giallo-esque design of snokes chamber R2's cheap trick when the porgs are poking at the lightsaber when the sad porg looks at chewy Oh god, okay This is all good stuff about the movie I'm sorry, but if if you just there's small if you just listen off the pork Moments, I'm starting to like be like, oh, that's that's what you're looking for. Okay That's super fair.  We're just like, oh I mean, I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that the movie didn't sound good So I thought this movie was I thought this video rather was supposed to be explaining the things that people are more contentious about Which is the story. No one's really contentious about I got frustrated Um, I got frustrated at some of the music because it was like I got I got the whole You know, like if it was a great movie and then they they referenced the old music You're talking about how they reused the death star, but like if I like the film I might have enjoyed that but because I was getting so frustrated.  Porgs are great. Everybody pork. Oh jeez man. You're like disney's favorite customer They made this for you. I think but remember he said he's not a shill and no shill I mean He also said this is meant for children I don't know what we're supposed to assume The way DJ wears his boots around his neck And this is the guy who's saying that we need to stop trying to critique films because we don't know what we're talking about Okay, DJ wearing his boots around his neck to his character at all. It was cool.  This is a weird movie to talk Don't even this so these connections are so irrelevant like so tiny Uh They'd be they would be what I would call neat pics.  He's a very esteemed Uh critic about this video ended up being longer than it should need to be because it's not enough to say Why I think the movie is good It's longer than it needs to be because he didn't have enough time to say why it what Okay, just go go one more time with that one Like luke's loves this is a weird movie to talk about this video ended up being longer than it should need to be Because it's not enough to say why I think the movie is good I also have to pre so the the point of the video is to say why it's great And the video ended up being longer than it needed to be Because not as long as it needed to be Like he said it's longer than it needed to be But he needed to explain why it's good when the intention was to explain why it's great I am so confused by that line But go ahead Heemptively responds to all the people who are going to say but why didn't you talk about this thing that's bad months ago I said there was no way I would make this video But the truth is that since december I haven't stopped thinking about the last jedi But it's a kids movie dude It's a kids movie dude Isn't it a kids movie you stop thinking about the kids movie you got to be more adult and think about adult things Stop thinking about the kids movie and to all the people who hate it I wish that you could see what I see because I wish that you could understand a single argument that was thrown against you and not straw man it And besides what I wish patrick give me one movie you do not like Just give me one and then I'll throw the exact same statement back at you I wish you could see what I see in the room Wish you could understand the quality of the room.  All right You get many people. I wish you could taste what I taste I'm right I'm gonna just I'm gonna eat real food. You can eat you can eat that dude. I'm good Not an argument is the short version of what I just said And we're done guys. Thank you so much. You were fantastic as always now I am going to take this footage and put it online. I'll see you later Well, what about your parents? It's gonna be for this. This will be the gag. I guess this will be the payoff You don't think anyone is actually going to watch that do you? I don't know I would No one cares about you He He likes his his squarespace and his I'm assuming audible It's where you can learn to learn about the last Jedi learn about writing It'll be great even though you can't really learn about writing because there's no such thing as good or bad writing So Yeah, that was it. We did it. Um, I don't I don't really know how to sum up that video He likes the milk today monster scene. I think that's a good summary I mean To explain why the last Jedi is great. It's like you could have done way better than that. I could have done better than that like Yes You it's so meandering Because he went from like let me do a huge disclaimer for why anybody who doesn't already agree with me is an asshole It's like, okay, and he was like, let me name a bunch of things that apparently aren't serious reasons for why it's good bed, let me read sort of Like revise how the actual scenes went And describe to you the characters are x without explaining it And then ends with a bunch of random tiny things like porgs are awesome So, yeah, uh, I get that you like the film I do not understand from what you've just given there Any sort of reason why I don't follow Even a little bit Yeah, it would be much better if you just come on in and just talk like debate or I mean if just right you actually like it if just right was anything to go by You present them a contradiction and then they will say it doesn't matter And that's how the conversation will go every time Wait, wait, wait Wasn't that video that that he shilled about just right the actual video that you were watching before just right came in No, we watched his follow-up one that explained that everybody has a different opinion on things In case you had no idea about that I was gonna say, you know, I'm glad that I just shared that with you because you probably didn't know you probably Weren't aware that everybody is different. It's fascinating stuff um, yeah So, uh, yeah, we'll we'll we'll probably be able to do some form of another video, but I was gonna say podcast Name everybody use that link who's not used it already and you can vote on what name you think the Pocket should have I think that probably one of the most narratively suitable names is currently winning But I mean the top two choices are pretty good um I guess I should read super chats as well because I've let I've let them flow for for a while and when you Reupload this on your moolah channel. You should put the straw pole in the it'll be in the description. Yeah, that'll make sense I'll probably put in the top comment Um, that's true So where where are we? YouTube police more like leaf gate, I mean that's that's that's actually made me think We're still hoping to get yms on something like this eventually And him and wolf have that they share that language that that I am far too high class to be able to engage in It's um It's it's still a hope for anybody who's wondering. I'm not sure what's gonna happen though because uh I don't know if it feels if we couldn't get er it feels very unlikely that we get yms But you know, maybe well, at least yms like responds. He are just vanishes for long periods of time This is true, but he did he started a patreon recently So maybe we'll be seeing more of a more presence from him eventually like if he tries to go full time I think that's his issue right now is that he's not Uh, the reason you can't understand their logic is because there is none. It's not supposed to make sense You're supposed to follow without question. You're applying logic to a logical people In fairness, he did actually make the video where he pretty much spat on logic. So Mmm Those are all terrible I thought the podcast names were all right. I thought they were pretty good If you guys have got better suggestions, you know, if you want to keep keep an eye on the chat wolf or Or app evented like if you guys think that uh They come up with better names. We'll we'll go for it If you remember all the ones that are in there right now are all suggested from the audience, so Um, someone said kfp kentucky fried porgs What for a podcast name? I don't know I just thought it was funny There's only one teen island and that's barry's.  Yeah, that was a Strictly a kids movie. Um Oh, yeah, we wrote that one It takes talent to have a five head and zero points What a five head is he talking about? Oh because Because patrick willams has I I think five head would be underestimated You know when you put like your four fingers on your forehead that connects Oh I get it, but um, I mean no offense to No, no, like I'm really not trying to be a dick here But like I've seen people's hairlines that are stronger than patrick willams is like you may as well shave at that point because I don't know like how far back that is I don't think I've seen it go that far back on a person that age that hasn't decided to shave it You know most people do yeah, like look, I'm I'm 21 and I will admit It's not I think I'd like to admit to because it's not something I like But male pattern baldness runs in my family And I got it at 21 and I'm not happy about it, but I would never let it get to that point I just shave it bald. Is at least I can grow a beard Yeah, do the go kratos. Why not? Yeah, yeah Wolf and Mola do a podcast with Jeremy from geeks and gamers. He's friends with Jeff from world-class bullshits I mean, there's no limit on who we could have on this thing to be honest as long as they're okay with like being here for hours on end A lot like you mauler, he's he's uh gone up pretty quickly Sweet, I don't really I don't think I know him. I do I do know him through World-class bullshits in terms of like references, but I don't think I've seen the channel Oh, yeah, I don't know him personally, but I have seen a few I like this stuff His only argument was there was a jab at cg really that's probably a reference something that I mean, it was it was a while ago now, so I'm sure TLJ surprised me that a movie could be so Johnson Bravo Ryan Bravo Fandom Menace Yeah, I mean he's making another movie right now, isn't he some kind of I think it's with Henry Cavill as what I've heard some kind of Thriller spy thing or something or it could be someone else But like everyone is now waiting to see it just to see if it's bad or something. I was like, I don't I don't particularly care like I'm not sure I guess people are going to hire him now because he's controversial. Would that be a good reason to hire a director slash writer? I don't know Don't know Uh, do you think his parents know he still lives with them? I hate the movie for all the reasons more pointed out if you like it great You can ignore the narrative this guy has never watched Star Wars ever. I don't think he lives with them I think he visits them and I I guess does these this video because I don't know why the parents were in this video to be perfectly honest with you They seem It's kid a pointless kid that he doesn't understand comedy Well, you like the last Jedi. That's all about that's all about comedy, right? right This coffee pot looks like a t-rex is coming Oh, because of the because the vibrations under Canadian military law po following the retreat order would be illegal Following the retreat order. Well in in crate Also, yeah, I guess we don't even know what the laws are for um the resistance considering Uh, it's like a complete mess that there's 20 people left on a ship. That's not even theirs. So Yeah, I don't even know If they ever established that they were unable to get better bombs than it would have been better I don't see why they wouldn't have access to y-wings But I mean, why would they be why would they have access to those bombers not bombers that are effective? It would be my question.  I think before it was pushed out. So yeah Uh, even the y-wings were made to be cheap as they stripped out visions from the clone wars and rebels even show this I don't think it's a matter I don't know what it is because they they established that they buy stuff from the kanto bite people And for some reason they only bought literally the worst fucking ship in the history of star wars Let's buy loads of those ones Uh, saw civil war and your recommendation was pretty good theme meme aside What are your thoughts on the thematic connection motivation of revenge in stark panther and zemo? I mean it's it would be a lot to go into it's probably going to be in my video on The film when we get there But it's interesting you bring it up because it's something you talk about Without the film beating it into your face You're like, did you notice that what connects all these characters is a sense of wanting to achieve revenge? While in the last Jedi you're like, did you notice it? Yes, I noticed you're like, oh Okay, because like how did you not notice? Civil war is a well-made film. They don't really have to explain everything Yeah, no, it's it's very I would I would argue it's very clear But at least they didn't have a character go You know revenge isn't always the best thing to do and you need to learn to overcome it. You're like, oh my god Stop Between this and a holes using the anniversary of 9 11 to take petty jabs of president trump. Why haven't we nuked earth yet? I think it'll take more than a couple of bad star wars films to to push that button, but uh Maybe we'll get there the bombers could have tilted upwards and released their payload Oh, you mean like in a way that makes it fire forward If they have artificial gravity that actually could work As in it doesn't matter how slowly they they are pushed out they would keep going You know I mean, it's worth trying But it's very slow.  It's like all of the people the dreadnought like chain Yeah, yeah, like chain destroy bomb them Yeah, you get one tie fighter to shoot the bomb, but they just blows up all of them.  Um Even if it has new things it has to be compatible with the previously established story and satisfactorily answer questions that were left open They don't believe in that i'm afraid Um, yep, then this this has to be a troll. Thank you for making these great videos I love the rant on the fallen kingdom movie greetings from a fan from the netherlands greetings He's just liking things people hate to be contrary I I don't know. I think he thinks this was a good video. Do you guys get the impression? This was a parody No, I don't I think this is like a real thing Even if it is there are people who legit thinks that it isn't so Oh, of course, uh, ryan johnson has commented on this video by the way on twitter It was like a thread and he said he's really glad that patrick loved the movie. So I seriously doubt that this is meant to be a joke ryan sent by noticed him We need jarrod to take on patrick williams. There's a couple people ask you for jarrod. I'm afraid we're not doing jarrod anymore Um, but this video once is uploaded. There's an explanation to begin Yeah, when your podcast a month once per month, correct? You want to you can plug that if you want Yeah, my podcast is once per month. It's gonna be next wednesday We're gonna have the act man on a lot of people have requested him to come on past. So he was pretty Okay with coming on with us and we will cover jarrod there, but uh, and me and rags will be there, right? Oh Is that me or is that you am I Speaking in a vacuum here. What's going on? I I don't know if it was me or you I think it must have been you. I don't know app event didn't say anything But it might have been my connection, but I couldn't hear a thing you were saying I couldn't hear either. Yeah My the connection was really bad. I don't know just so happened the ping was just All right, this haunted robot if you if you want to quickly do that again. Well Uh, what was I just talking about act man me rags podcast. Oh, yeah, yeah Us act man jarrod next wednesday There you go at 6 p.m. Eastern standard time. Is that gonna be live? Yes, I will uh people because I you know people have asked me to do both. Um People want it live, but they also want our icons to be lit up So at first I was like, okay. Well, I'll just like do it offline and I'll light up the icon But people still want it live. So I'll do it live Edit it later and put it back up afterwards. Why don't you do what I do? Well, I I'm still going to do like this kind of ish format where we're at the bottom and it's just showing the discord one but I got to edit in the the intro because otherwise we're going to be sitting here for five minutes saying nothing till podcast comes on so We'll be streamed live and then like within like let's say The next day or so it'll be uploaded with the intro and shit fair enough Um go watch it. I think this is an air for that more a response video just for the milk monster comment again I think he was joking on that point. Uh, we can give him that but He's made such bizarre comments that we took it for 100 real Um, assuming it isn't real. I don't I don't know for sure Um debate this movie with this man immediately. He won't he's not going to talk to us Patrick wouldn't wouldn't want to talk to us. I don't think Uh, is it a good question to ask this hippie bastard?  Yeah, exactly again the film contradicts itself So I don't know why we're supposed to feel that the resistance is the answer to this horrible crime When they're the ones that are propagating it anyway Um, yeah resistance bought weapons from kanto bite slavers. Let me explain my t la is good by stating things I like and not explaining why they actually make it great You just have boring taste. I don't want to talk to you. I mean that could sum up the video progress Wait, did they say t la? Well, yeah, I guess they They mixed tfa and t object The last awaken Progress tools jumping off a cliff is still progress true. I like how kyla's best seen Him tricking han in order to buy time which feels like something solo Some would do was actually supposed to show him being weak when driver played it full heal um Again, I I don't understand his character at all kylo's You can see breakdowns, but the breakdowns will literally just describe the scenes to you as if it's layered and it's complicated when it's just like Huh? Why why is any of this happening? kylo rena's He can't make up his mind what what society wants to take on And again like I'm if he's gonna be full on villain in episode nine like Is that gonna be yeah, that's gonna be fun, isn't it? What if what if ray fights him at the end and she beats him? Won't that be crazy? He'd be like, oh But then if she loses to him the same thing again Oh, like I said Super curious about what they're gonna do with episode nine just for that So someone in the chat pointed out that you know, he deleted Comment on his video. So he definitely wouldn't talk to you Yeah, a lot of people said that he deleted my comment and then I loaded up the other day and I couldn't find it I don't consider him what's been going on lately on youtube Like a lot of people say that comments get deleted and a lot of people like no They don't they still they like I'm not saying anything definitive, but I mean it could have been um Who knows? Yeah, like I don't know for sure if there's a way to find out for sure then you know fair enough, but He could easily just argue that it was picked up by the spam filter That'd say that it just picked a random word even though my comment is very, you know mundane, but whatever Um Kylo Ren is a poor ripoff of jack and solo. This is oh, yeah, yeah Matthew uh, monday mackets accused of it all the time But his videos are still filled with negative comments, you know, so this is like I doubt he's deleted them But if I guess he could be At this point anyway, maybe before I could have defin