This is Stu Miniman with wikibond.org, SiliconANGLE TVs, live coverage of HP Discover 2013 here in Lost Wages, Nevada. And what we like to do at these shows, of course, is help extract the signal from the noise. One of my favorite things when going to events is finding those smart people out there where you can just have candid conversations about what's happening in the industry. And for this segment, I'm happy to bring what I would call a Clouderati chat into theCUBE. So joining us for this segment is Tim Crawford. He's a strategic advisor to CIOs, here checking out the show, really an expert as to the reality of what's happening in the cloud and how companies should address these new technologies. So, Tim, welcome to theCUBE. Great. Thanks a lot, Stu. I appreciate the invite to join you here on set. Yeah, so one of the things I love hanging with the Clouderati, of course, is half the time we don't even talk about technology, whether you're talking about travel or how you're doing on the tables last night. But here, we're going to focus a little bit about technology. So can you tell me what's your impression bit of the show and HP's overall messaging? Yeah. I think that kind of using some of the vagus analogies, a lot of folks in the business would say, leveraging IT today is like rolling the dice. What are you going to get? And especially with some of the new fangled technologies, when you talk about cloud and big data and whatnot. Here at HP Discover, one of the things I've found is that HP actually has some real interesting stories to tell. There are definitely some gaps in the mix, in the messaging, in the solutions that they're providing. But I have to say, it really isn't the old tired company that some of us might have thought of in the past. But they definitely have some work to do, too. So when we talk about kind of making big bets, if I look at the overall messaging from HP, two things that keep coming back to me are convergence and open. I wonder what's your take? What does that mean to a CIO in today's environment? Well, there's a difference between what it means today versus what it's meant in the past, too. And I think you have to put a time continuum on this as well. What it means today in terms of openness is having the flexibility avoiding things like vendor lock-in, which everyone wants to talk about as a concern. But it's also trying to find ways to work more effectively, work more efficiently, leverage a multitude of different solutions from different providers, and ensure that they are going to work together, that it's not just bucket of parts that you're then left to have to figure out how to assemble with your own team. And the reality is that's a lot of work. On top of an already overflowing plate that all of us have had as CIOs in the past. Yeah. So when we talk that openness a little bit further, OpenStack is pretty critical to HP's strategy. I want to get your opinion on, first of all, where is OpenStack maturity? How should enterprises look at this technology? And then the follow-up of that is what's your take on HP's involvement in that? Yeah. Really good question. I've long since felt that OpenStack has just a ton of potential. I think there's a real question as to whether the enterprise is the right place for it, especially as we start thinking about through time. So what you use today in a commercial offering like VMware or some of the alternatives. So I wonder if you could just clarify for us, Florida, and when you say that. So were you saying that really service providers and large web-scale companies should do OpenStack and enterprise use services? Yeah. That's exactly where I was going. I think for a lot of enterprises, the question is do you really want to get into open source? Because it is not free. There is a requirement. There's a significant cost associated with managing and getting involved in open source movements. So are you prepared to do that? And that's more than just paying a bill. There's some staff and knowledge required to do that. So some enterprises will decide to do it. But I think a lot of folks will say, you know, I'm going to sit back, wait for the dust to settle and figure out, you know, kind of how this plays out. The service providers, I think, are a completely different perspective. Having worked with a number of service providers and helping them through this kind of thought process, I would say that OpenStack is a great opportunity for service providers because it provides you the ability to customize your offering, provides something that makes sense for the market that you're going after. But at the same time, you have the scale to be able to dedicate those same kinds of resources that you need in order to really engage and take advantage of an open source solution that's as complex as OpenStack. Yeah, no, no, great point. Wikibon, what we tend to look at is really these massive scale environments, you know, are growing so much and they buy so much equipment that they are willing to spend time to save money. So they have the people that will program their environment and code things, and they really look for defriiled infrastructure, as opposed to the enterprise people, they don't have necessarily the skill set and they don't have the time. They're so burdened with what they have today, so they will spend money to save time. We're starting to see some of those methodologies from the hyperscale bleeding into the enterprise. Are you seeing that? I'm not seeing that as broadly as some might tout. From a real standpoint, you'll see it in pockets. You'll see pockets of folks that are starting to kind of explore the open source world, maybe play with it in specific areas or specific use cases, but I'm not seeing broad adoption of it. I'm seeing far more conversation around how could I take advantage of that, or how can those benefits that open source, something as complex as OpenStack, could bring for me through the service provider channel. So if you think of it more as a channel, how can the service provider take advantage of the benefits of something like OpenStack and then pass that down to the consumer being the enterprise? Yeah, I guess where I poke on that is not just outside of open source. If you look how from an operational model, how these giants manage things, it's moving some to say kind of a DevOps environment, but that organizational structure, CIOs in the enterprise today, they're spending way too much on what we would call undifferentiated heavy lifting. We like to poke at Nick Carr's seminal. Does IT matter? We think IT can really be a differentiator today if you start talking about things like big data, and where's value creation that IT can help? Okay, let me push back on that and clarify a little bit because I think if you look at it as traditional IT versus the new IT model, traditional IT is dead. For the vast majority of enterprises today, the traditional model just does not work moving forward. And we're starting to see the evolution of that starting to take hold. The new model, which is still in its infancy, we haven't developed that really well, is here to stay. So if you were to say generically IT is dead and we're basing that off the traditional model, I would completely agree. I think that model is dead. But IT as a general foothold within the organization in terms of both the breadth and depth of access that it has and ultimately the value it can provide to an enterprise, oh my gosh, we haven't even tapped the potential yet. But only for those IT organizations that are willing to go through the transformative stages from the traditional model to the new model. Yeah, so some great points there, Tim. I wonder if we could touch on big data. What's your take on big data in general and what have you been hearing from HP? Is that a bright spot for them? It is a bright spot for HP. I've had a number of conversations here at HP Discover talking about cloud, talking about big data, talking about converged infrastructure. I will say that the announcement and discussions around haven and how autonomy and Vertica play into that as well as some of the other components that are going to bolt on in the ecosystem they're starting to build, I think becomes pretty interesting for a lot of enterprises. The question is, are we actually going to see that play out? And that's when the execution starts to play a pretty significant role as to whether HP is successful or not. Yeah, great points there. I'm wondering, sometimes we talk about where is the intersection between cloud and big data? Soundbot I love from Wikibon co-founder Dave Vellante is actually big data gives the cloud something to do. Where do you think? Yeah, I think of it a little differently. Big data gives IT a future. Cloud is just an enabler to quickly get there. So there are a lot of folks that are still kind of battling swords or whatever analogy you want to use. What's the latest and greatest bright shiny object that are newest technology that we can start to leverage? I think when you start thinking about bigger problems that we're trying to solve within an enterprise and big data being one of the opportunities in that you start to go, you know what these smaller issues or these other issues that we were arguing about really aren't as big as we thought they were. We've got bigger fish to fry later. So how do we start to leverage the cloud, adopt the cloud much more quickly and then move on to more interesting things around big data? Because I think that is really where you start to talk about the intersection of where technology and business really hit head on. Yeah, one of the challenges I look at HP, they joke when they put up a slide that says, we wish we could have used two point font because we have so many solutions out there to fit this market, especially even when they were talking about cloud this morning and the keynote. When we boil it down, what's your message to CIOs? Is cloud predominantly changing an operation model? And if that's the case, where does big data fit? It's a new value creation, new ways to leverage their data, how do you boil that down? So first off, to one of your points, having that breadth is both a good thing and it's also a bad thing because how do you sell it? If you get focused though on cloud and big data and those particular solutions, I think cloud gives you the opportunity to leverage different operational models. But one thing that doesn't often get discussed but can also lead to success or failure is how well are you thinking about your process and governance changes? Because those play a pretty distinctive role when you start moving from that traditional model to that new model and start putting cloud into play. So let's assume for a minute, for conversation, you're addressing that, you're addressing the technology pieces around cloud. Now you can start to build an operational model that can take advantage of things like big data. And the other thing is it refocuses your IT organization, right? So instead of being this technology organization, you truly are moving more in the direction of being a business organization, which is ultimately what they've wanted for how many years now, right? A lot of years. Yeah. Okay, so Tim, at Wikibon, we usually like to give advice to CIOs and I know that's what you do. So can you tell me what's kind of the biggest misconception you think CIOs have today? Have they gotten beyond just reading about cloud in the magazines and the online journals? What would you say is their biggest hurdle or misconception for them to be able to move forward to take advantage of what's available today? Well, I think the first thing is you have to take the old paradigms and throw them away. The way we've managed IT for the last 20 years, and I've said this before, but the way we've managed IT for the last 20 years or so, it's not going to serve us while moving forward. So we need new paradigms. And that's where starting to leverage new models from cloud and big data make a lot of sense. The other things, start looking at the stack. Start at the bottom and work your way up as quickly as possible. Look at your data centers. Why do you have your own data centers? Why are you running your own email platforms? What's differentiable about that from your business to your competition? And it's not until you really get to, above the platforms and into the applications and really the line of business apps that it gets really interesting in that conversation. Everything below that, it's table stakes. It's really just table stakes. So how do you quickly start to evolve? And again, I go back to, it's an organizational shift. It's a process shift. It's a technology shift, right? So people process technology is still well and live. It's just taken a different form. So I often like to ask what's the coolest technology that you've seen? But if you talk people process and technology and the people in process side, where should people be going to learn about this? How do they learn from people that have been there before? Where do you point people and what's a cool way to do that? Is this where I offer my phone number? No. Absolutely, people like that. No, I think, when you look at the problem, and I think it's important to understand the problem first. The problem today is not a technology one. The problem today is an organizational one. So how do we help people through the organization? To your point, is it a training issue? I don't think so. I don't think it's a skills issue as much as it's an organizational paradigm. So how do we start organizing our IT organization? And that starts from the top down. I don't think this is a grassroots bottom-up effort. I think it starts with the top and works its way down to start to organize in such a way that you are best aligned with the business and what they're trying to do. And what that means is you're looking at business strategy. You're understanding what the objectives of your company are. And then you're saying, okay, what are we doing within the IT organization to be able to support and align with that? And if we are doing something and it's not aligned with that, I think you really have to have a heart to heart and ask yourself, why are you doing it? So the issue for CIOs today is it's not just about cost savings. If you're in that cost savings mode, you're in the wrong mode. You need to be focused on how can you deliver greater value? And when I say greater value to business, what I mean is how can you position yourself to be able to, if you're the CIO, to carry a P&L, carry responsibility for a new line of business for the company. And that's a very different world for most CIOs than just being a technology support work. Takes a lot of work, but I think it starts at the top and works its way down and it's a mindset, it's a cultural shift more than a skill shift. So, you know, we've off the top there, there's kind of the maintaining the business the CIs do, how do CIs grow the business, how do they really transform or innovate for the business. So, you know, what do you see, you talk about kind of the next generation of CIOs, what are they going to look like in your mind? Yeah, the next generation of CIOs not going to be a technologist. And in fact, we're seeing this today in some Spartan areas, but the new model CIO is not a technologist. So, I think that kind of becomes a wake up call for those of us that might be coming up through the rank and file and aspiring to be CIO, how do we get there? And it's exposure to the other lines of business, exposure out into the business in terms of what do they do? So, what does marketing do? How can I start to do things for marketing that they haven't even asked me for? And it's important that we start to kind of think in that realm, but it's the new CIO is a combination of a business leader that has some technology background, but it's not a technology leader. All right, hey, I did remember one bit of news that we heard early this morning talking about the cloud wars. Amazon's really the elephant in the room here and HP fired a salvo that workday is moving over to the HP cloud. Wonder your take on that? Yeah, I think this still kind of fits in with the question around, so is Amazon a place that can hold production-based applications for a long period of time? Is it really geared for that or is it better served as a sandbox environment? There's nothing wrong with that. It's just let's be honest about what these different services are best served for. What's also interesting about that is when you look at some of the HP solutions, like I've spent some time looking at Moonshot that they've been talking about and announced several weeks back now. It's a really interesting platform, but it's not a general purpose server. It's not a high performance general purpose server. And so once you start to understand what pieces fit where, then you can start to pick and choose, okay, I need X, let me leverage that into my bailiwick of different components. I need this, let me pull that in. And then you start to put together a real interesting story to be able to solve your problems. Actually, quick clarification for you. Moonshot was actually announced back in November of 2011. It's actually a GA product now and I agree it's built for certain applications. We're getting slow on time and there's one thing I totally forgot to ask you. If you look at that cloud war, especially how HP and Amazon have been looking at things, they've been fighting over service level agreements. And you've got an interesting take on SLAs. Could you share that with our audience? SLAs are dead. Can you elaborate? SLAs are dead. I mean, the purpose of the SLA really has to evolve and it's no longer a service level agreement. It really should just be an expectation setting device and nothing more because at the end of the day, and I know others have different perspectives on this, but if you think about it, you spend a lot of time negotiating SLAs. What do you get out of it? You might get some percentage of the value of the contract if you experience an outage, but usually the responsibility centers around the customer proving that there was an outage and proving that the provider had failed in their duties and their contractual obligations. And at the end of the day, that percentage of the contract value pales in comparison to the impact to the company. So I think you go through that and then at the end of the day, you're probably looking for another provider anyway, so what have you really gained? So I think SLAs really aren't that valuable. I think it's more important to think of it more as an expectation setting device than an agreement. Well, Tim, I spent hours talking with you and luckily I have had a lot of time to talk with you. This show has been one of the highlights for me, really digging into the reality of Clouds. CIOs are addressing it in kind of those new models. So I'm at Stu on Twitter. You can also reach me Stu at wikibon.org. Tim is at T. Crawford, what's your vectors? Yeah, at T. Crawford's best way to get me on Twitter. And for the non-Twitter people? Yeah, you can get me on the web at timcrawford.org. Well, Tim, once again, really appreciate you coming on, having this Clouderati chat in person. Look forward to seeing you at some of the other events. This is SiliconANGLE's live coverage from HP Discover 2013 and we'll be back with our next guest after this break.


What is a eudipula? What is a what? I Have no idea what you just say. Can you spell it? What? That's a new word for me. I don't know no Excuse me. That's kind of personal. Don't you think that's small penguin genus? What was the latest Linux kernel release codenamed? I Don't actually remember and that's appalling right? Oh good lord. I don't know what um How about zombie shuffling juror? Yeah, I should be that Linus goes crazy with the namings Shuffling zombie juror Juror juror Okay, what is a MOOC? What is it? A doofus dweeb. I don't know massive online. Oh, no now. I don't know even know the answer Massively it's massive open online course. What is a zombie shuffling desk? It's the desk that Essentially all the paperwork that it goes with zombies have to pass through You know because there are a lot of forms even when you are not quite dead some be what where are you getting these questions? It's when you have a Treadmill under the desk. So you're just kind of very slowly walking along while you're working. Yep So I'm hoping that you might be able to demonstrate the zombie shuffle Sure I'm not gonna do that How many kernel developers does it take to screw in a light bulb? Oh, we probably take only one Linus can do that by himself All of them they tend to use LEDs. No, that's a hardware problem. What does the D in system D stand for? Damon devil Damon if you want to be boring it stands for demon, but I think it actually stands for the 500 components that it is composed of Doesn't mean anything It's after it's their system a bc, and this is D Is that the correct answer? I've been telling everybody the wrong thing It's not demon. No, what's the first thing that comes to your mind when I say Linux? Penguin kernel. It's awesome. Linux con drinking Fun party kernel developers drinking me Basically people that plant corn to sad men On call not a lot of drinking Glutton for punishment clearly. They're the hero of the story. I'm thinking the victim


Moving on now, family and friends of Adebayo Oluwake gathered on a hymn as he retired on the International Committee of the Red Cross ICRC in Nigeria. The event attracted professionals and gap interferes, among which were the special advisor on media and publicity to President Mohamed Abu Hari, Femi Adishina, the managing director of Plus TV Africa Leko Gumbawu, his colleagues among others. Our correspondent Paul George was there. His own faces from the media industry and in public service were seen in the hall. Other professionals, family and friends also graced the occasion. The event was in honor of one of Nigeria's diplomats and humanitarian, Mr. Adebayo Oluwake, as he announced his retirement with a book titled The Journey of a Passport on the Road of Humanity. Mr. Oluwake was spent close to two decades of his career serving the country in different capacities, talked about his sojourn. I am very, very proud to say by the time I was leaving, and again it's in my book, I left 13 Nigerians occupying important international positions in the International Committee of the Red Cross. I thank God for the opportunity that he gave to me and for keeping me hailed and hearty. The humanitarian, however, dismissed insinuations about him going into full-time politics. No, I think I'm more useful to my country and to the continent because I worked a lot across many African countries. I made a lot of friends in government, in the military, in the diplomatic community, in those African countries. So I believe strongly that I have something to contribute in helping to advance development on the continent. In his better half of decades, Oluwate Oluwake shared our experience of how tough it was coping without her husband, who was always moving from one diplomatic duty to the other across the globe. Initially it was tough because when the children were young, and I had to stay back to take care of the children. But the minute the youngest two of the twins got into university, I started traveling with him. I wish him the very best. I wish him with new strength. He's been a very considerate man, he's a kind person, and I'm trusting that the Lord would enlarge his course. He sacrificed the Lord for us, the children and I, and I'm praying that the Lord in his own way will reward him. Their daughters, Sheung and Shola, took turns to play their roles at the book event. His areas of interest are development, public communication and humanitarian diplomacy, international humanitarian law, security architectures, and post-conflict reconstruction. He is married to Oluwate Oluwake, and they have less than three beautiful children. Flexibility and impact enabled us to actualise Jeremy's vision and our operations in a more clear and impactful way, building on the four initiatives that Mary went hand-taking. Human ending and communes were poured on Mr. Oluwake by his contemporaries, who shared their experiences with the journalist-com humanitarian. I am glad to be a friend to Mr. Oluwake. This is not the first book that he will write that I'll read. He has sent me one before, which I read and I look forward to reading this one. All the support that he needs post-return it. Bio is everybody's bio. This is a man who has used his code-given brain for this country. And he doesn't have a national award yet. I think there's any Nigerian to be proud of. His name is Bio Oluwake Oluwake. The eye-point of the event was the unveiling of the 158th-page book. Paul George. Plus TV news. Two and one. Thank you so much.


Today's topic is biology. We're exploring a mysterious part of a bird's digestive tract. Our question, how does a bird eat without having teeth? Our answer, it has a gizzard. When food like seeds and insects travel through a bird's digestive system, the gizzard tightens around it like a little fist. Using its pressure and rough sandpaper-like lining along with the gritty pieces of dirt and gravel, it grinds the food more completely. This allows the bird to gather maximum nutrients. Let's take a look at a gizzard. You can see the muscular part of the gizzard. That's the red meaty looking part and it provides the pressure. The sandpaper-like linings, the yellow wrinkled pieces, act as the grinding plates. Food and grit is located between the two pieces of sandpaper and can be seen in the photo. Now that you understand what a gizzard is and how it works, here's your challenge. Build a model of this small but powerful bird body part. You will need a sealable plastic bag. Bags like birds and their gizzards come in various sizes. A sandwich size bag is the perfect size for a model of a chicken's gizzard, which is about the size of a chicken egg. Food items can be collected from your kitchen or from the yard. Look for things that birds would like to eat. Fruit, seeds, maybe insects. A helpful tip is to pre-soak any hard items like hard seeds or nuts for several hours in water. This represents gastric juices in the body of the bird. When you assemble your gizzard, you will put one-fourth to one-half cup of sand and pebbles into your bag. Then add several tablespoons of assorted food items. I've added some strawberries, some oranges, and some seeds. Seal the bag tightly and then knead gently for four to five minutes. Here's a bag that I prepared just a while ago and it has already been needed. When you're ready to examine your gizzard, empty your bag onto a paper plate. I'm using a coffee filter to discover the results of your action. You may want to use a hand lens to look more closely. Are you satisfied with your results? If not, continue kneading the bag and check again. Experiment with different size bags. Experiment with different proportions of sand and gravel. Be sure to save one of your models to share during our Zoom celebration on Friday. This activity is from the Flying Wild Educator Guide. It is a project of the Council for Environmental Education and the Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies. So now the mystery is solved.  Let's reflect on the guts of our activity. How does a gizzard help process a bird's food? How might the gizzards of a cardinal which prefers seeds, a robin which prefers worms, and a hummingbird which really loves nectar feel like? How might they be different? In the field, paleontologists have discovered gastroliths. Dig a little deeper and find out what used these gizzard stones and why.


Welcome once again to Mises Weekends. I'm your host Jeff Deist and our returning guest this weekend is Patrick Barron who is a professor of economics both at the University of Wisconsin and at the University of Iowa, the latter at which he's actually taught a specific class on Austrian economics. He's also a geopolitical expert and he's joining us to talk about and do a post-mortem on the Fed's big non-event this week. This announcement that it would not raise interest rates in the face of a still very weak U.S. economy. We're going to get a little bit into the optics and the psychology behind the whole press conference, the psychology and knowledge and the understanding of Janet Yellen herself and whether central bankers actually believe what they say they believe. So if you're interested in the Fed and what's going on behind the scenes, stay tuned for a great interview with Patrick Barron. Patrick Barron, it is great to hear from you and welcome back to Mises Weekends. Thanks Jeff, glad to be here. So we had this unbelievable circus yesterday surrounding Janet Yellen and the Fed's open market committee decision not to raise interest rates. There was a big press conference afterwards. Obviously the financial press has been fixated on this, predicting this, anticipating this for months. Bill Bonner calls it the most anticipated central bank action in human history. So with all this, give me your initial thoughts in the aftermath. Well, I think there's a couple of things that everybody should just keep in mind and that is that money does not create wealth. If anybody thinks that more fiat money creates wealth, then let me print money, you know, because I can print money. I could, you know, take my doll, I could take some money out of my pocket and throw it on my Xerox machine. And if that doesn't create wealth, then why would the government prosecute me? You know, I'm a counterfeiter. So essentially all the Fed is doing is counterfeiting money. Now they're counterfeiting money that we absolutely have to use because of legal tender laws. And this is just criminal in my opinion. I mean, the more I think about this, the more angry I get about it. I think everyone should think about it. If we did not have fiat money, there would really be no such thing as monetary policy because money is whatever the market chooses it to be. Money is a medium of exchange and the market chooses money. It typically is chosen gold and silver, but it's chosen lots of things over. You know, the medium of exchange in prisoner of war camps was cigarettes, you know, and that was chosen by the market. It's a real commodity. It's got to be something that people want to hold. It becomes the most marketable commodity that everyone wants under the circumstances. So in prisoner of war camps, for example, cigarettes were the most marketable commodity under those very adverse circumstances. But if gold were money, if we did not have the government making something else money or telling us all that we had to use certain things as money, then people would choose a commodity, most likely gold and silver. And there would be no such thing as really policy involved in this. It would just be you either have gold and silver to buy things with, or you do not. And if you do not, then you have to actually produce some good or service that people want in order to get the money so you can buy all the things that our wonderful economy produces through specialization of labor. So you can't say, well, what's our monetary policy? Well, there is no policy. Well, let's talk a little bit about the optics and the psychology behind this whole big announcement. As I said, there was so much buildup to it.  She's delivering from Mount Olympus on high, and this sort of servile press just has to sit there and take it and ask questions. I mean, I wonder what it says about America and Americans. I wonder what we would think, and especially what so-called conservatives and libertarians would think if we had a federal government official sitting there coming out with a pronouncement about automobile policy or housing policy for the next term. I mean, at what point do we realize that none of this has anything to do with markets? Well, I think maybe I'm a little off the mark on this, but I think an analogy might be the way people used to look at pronouncements by religious leaders. And I think we're, you know, although people are very devout today, I think they do look with a little bit of skepticism on whether some great religious leader has the wisdom to make overall pronouncements about the way they run their lives, you know. And so people, you know, are genuinely skeptic about this, but at one time, you know, whether the, you know, our religious leader said you could or could not get divorced, or you would go to, if you got divorced, you would be kicked out of the church and, you know, you would, the eternal fires of damnation would be visible upon you. You know, those religious leaders were held in trawl at a time. I think we, most of us look back on that as kind of a, you know, that's not really very modernist. I think most people say it's rather foolish to think that anyone has a concept in that regard of how everyone should absolutely behave. But yet we do the same thing, as you say, with this federal remark committee and the spokesman, the chairman, you know, who's now Janet Yellen, you know, as if she has some kind of deity, you know, and hold, well, she does hold a lot of power, but she holds a lot of power only through the police power of the state. You know, because we have to use federal reserve notes, we have to use the dollar to conduct her everyday affair, and she manipulates that. I just think it shows that we are not an independent people if we hold all these people in such high regard. I don't hold them in high regard. I think they're a bunch of buffoons, frankly. And I would hope that people listening to this, you know, would really think about this. You know, if you think that Janet Yellen is some really important, you know, person that really has an insight into the economy and what interest rates should be and how much money should or should not be created, you should really examine, you know, your own thought process and why you think that. Well, when you talk about a gang that doesn't know what it's doing, I'll ask you the same question I asked David Stockman and Jim Grant earlier this year at one of our events. Do you think that Janet Yellen and others at the Fed believe what they say? Do you think they really understand that what they're doing won't work and can't work? Or do you think they're true believers in their personal lives, in their heart of hearts? Well, I have to think that I don't think that they are, you know, too faced about it. I believe that the only people that the political authorities allow to advance in this country to those positions are the Keynesian true believers. I taught a course in Austrian economics in the University of Iowa for a few years. I had wonderful students there, but I had a few of them that, of course, had been indoctrinated in the Keynesian of the rest of the instructors. It was all Keynesian except for my claim. And these kids were just shocked at first of some of the things I would be saying. And you could see how, you know, they were sort of on their way to becoming the Keynesian true believers. I believe that once you have adopted that as you've studied this Keynesianism, you've memorized all the formulas, you know, you worship at the foot of Keynes and you are rewarded for it. Your entire life is tied up in this. And to say that you're wrong would just be a repudiation of everything that you have believed probably since college. You've been taught since college. I think that not only are they not willing to repudiate what they believe, but they have been advanced specifically because they are the true believers in the Keynesian mantra. So there's never going to be an Austrian economist that's going to be appointed to anything on the Federal Reserve. There's never going to be an Austrian economist president of a Federal Reserve Bank or appointed as one of the non-presidents to the Federal Open Market Committee that political authorities just will not allow it. So the whole thing comes down to the fact that the political authority that appoint all the people to the Fed, that appoint all the top monetary officials, and they are going to make sure that this praying press keeps running at full blast. Because this is the way they get to spend all the money.  And this is the way they keep buying votes from the rest of us. It's a terrible, terrible system and it's going to tear us apart. But I do believe, I do believe that they believe what they're saying otherwise. And because if they didn't, they would never have advanced very far in the bureaucracy of the Federal Reserve or in the banking. Well, I certainly understand the self-interest behind people in the economics, especially the monetary economics profession, how they want to move up, how they want to get jobs. There was a tremendous article written, gosh, several years back now by a gentleman named Ryan Grimm on Huffington Post about how the Federal Reserve really owns and controls the profession of professional economics. But self-interest aside, do you think modern central bankers have even read Austrian stuff? We know that, for instance, Paul Volcker, a long ago Fed chair, has and had read Austrian stuff and understood it. Do you think the Krugmans and the Yellens have just flat out not read Hayek and Mises? Oh, I'm sure they may have. But I have run into a lot of people that I was shocked who said, gee, they've never heard of Austrian economics. And they're very important people. They're people from the Fed or from Moody's or some of the big rating agencies. And I'll say, well, I'm an Austrian economist. What's that? Are you from Austria? No, no, no, I'm an Austrian school economist. But I've never heard of such a thing. They really haven't because that information I think is suppressed at our universities. It's just not taught. And they don't want it to be taught. And so I'm not surprised at all that some people who you think that, if you're called yourself an economist or a central banker, you should be at least aware of what Austrian school of economics is. Well, I will say this. Most Austrians I've run into in life have absolutely read Keynes, have absolutely read Marx, have absolutely read Samuelson. So I will say that I think the Austrian school is robust and it's more robust than the mainstream school and its understanding of opposing arguments. We know for a fact that Ben Bernanke does not understand the causes of the Great Depression if his dissertation is to be believed. Do you think Yellen really understands what zero or even negative interest rate environment might mean in the long run? Do you think she understands, for instance, Japan? No, I don't think she does. No, I don't think they understand her at all. I mean, this is a situation where we could have in effect a zombie central bank and zombie commercial banks, little or no economic growth for decades and decades, all because we don't want to let the air out of the bubble of bad debt to...  I just have this feeling that the West itself, and I mean Western Europe, the United States, and I would throw Japan in there as Western nations are subservient to Keynes. I'm not so sure about the Chinese and I'm not so sure about the... Those are the two largest population countries in the world, and I don't think that they... I don't think that their leaders, I think they're going along with the fact that they're much weaker than the West is economically, militarily right now, but I don't think that they really buy into the whole West's print money thing, even though the Chinese, unfortunately, have been following a mercantilist policy and now they're starting to reap the whirlwind of bad policy they have, but the Chinese are showing signs, they're accumulating gold, the Indians, but from what I read about the Indians, and even in the Arab world, which is a very large population, as accurate as they really are, monetarily, I think those areas of the world understand money much better than the West, primarily because they have seen money collapse before and they know that paper money can't last. They know gold and silver will always be there, will always be a monetary medium, so I get the feeling that at some point, and it may not be in the distant future, it may be much closer, that the rest of the world is going to say, well, we're not buying U.S. debt anymore. We're not going to take these dollars that we're getting for all the stuff you're buying and just buy treasury bills anymore. We're not going to finance the federal government debt, and at that point, the Fed has one of two options or a combination. They can raise interest rates or they can print money. I think they'll print money and I think at that point, it's all over. I think the dollar will collapse. Well, as Jim Rickards has pointed out, there are still arrows in the Fed's quiver that could keep this whole thing hobbling along for a while. Further, for instance, we could go into negative effective interest rates. We could always have more quantitative easing. What people really want to know, Patrick, as we wrap this up, is how long? How long can this all go on? And if something's going to end it, what do you think that precipitating event might be? It's hard to say how long it can go on. Yeah, friend Philip Boggess says, you know, never answer a question that begins with when. But, you know, I believe that the precipitating event is going to be when our overseas trading partners do not want to buy a federal reserve debt. You know, they don't want to buy treasury bills. And that means somebody else has to buy those treasury bills. And if the Chinese and the Japanese and our other trading partners do not want to buy treasury bills, then who's going to step into the gap? The last gap will be the Fed will just print the money. And I think that is going to be the precipitating event. I mean, that's what I predict for quite a while now is the precipitating event. I think the Chinese are worried. They ought to be worried.  I think they know they've kind of gotten themselves into a box by accumulating all these dollar denominated treasury debt. But then they don't want to just dump them overnight because, you know, then they know that they would be worthless. But I think they're very worried and they want to do something about it. I think that what they're doing about it is accumulating bills. They may not know exactly what they're going to do, but I think they are right in that they too accumulate gold and at some point introduce a gold-backed yuan or a fractional reserve gold-backed yuan or something like that. And people say, well, that's, you know, that they have some evil intention to dethrone the United States and overthrow the United States economically. I look at it as purely rational self-interest. If I were a Chinese statesman, I would be a gasp of what the United States is doing. And I would say, what can we do in China to protect ourselves from the coming deluge? And this is what I would do. Well, if nothing else, we know that massive gold holdings will give the Chinese a place at the table when some future negotiation, whether that's with the IMF or otherwise, happens. Patrick Barron, thank you so much for your time this weekend. And ladies and gentlemen, have a great weekend.


Today, we are taking the most practical approach for reducing EMF fields in your environment, especially Wi-Fi, which is radiofrequency. Magnetic and electric are two other concerns which we will touch on. Basically, overall summary, turn off all Wi-Fi devices and don't sleep next to a circuit breaker or electrical outlet. But this is much easier said than done. The majority of you are in an environment where you cannot control every single household factor. If you're in an apartment, you could be surrounded by 15 routers by all of your neighbors. If you live with your parents or siblings or roommates, you can't control their cell phone and Wi-Fi device usage. So with that in mind, there are two main things I would do if you're in that situation. One is wear protective clothing, which is what I'm actually doing right now. We made a video last week highlighting the clothing available on Wi-FiShielding.com.  Number two is shield your sleeping area and also living area if possible. This can be done with a Faraday cage, which is something I've showed you guys in the past. You can also show some of the materials today that can be used to build that. Or you can buy a shielding canopy, which usually costs several hundred dollars. We have them available at the most affordable price online, Wi-FiShielding.com. You can get a twin, queen, or king-size bed canopy. Let me show you what I have in my house right now. So again, the two most important things for most people are wear protective clothing and shield the sleeping environment. Now that one thing I mentioned about not sleeping near a power line, unfortunately, the room I sleep in is usually by the power line attachment to the house, which is on the other side of the house over there. Now, if I measure the field with my meter that night and the levels are really high, I'll actually come to the dining room, I'll get the canopy set up, and I'll literally sleep on the floor because the magnetic field levels in my room are so high I literally cannot sleep. So we'll take a quick look at this canopy. I actually have two here overlapping each other, and I'm in New York. And if you're in an incredibly high Wi-Fi, EMF environment, you might need to shield the bottom underneath. And just having two on top can be just a little bit of reassurance. It's usually not necessary. When you create a Faraday cage, it's important that you ground it. So this silver fiber fabric is protecting you from any kind of beams coming in here. So this canopy has a patch on it, which has a metal button. And that metal button attaches to this wire, which comes with the canopy. And you plug it into the bottom of the electrical socket. Ideally, you don't want something else plugged into it. And what that does is since it's grounded, there's no electrical fields inside the canopy. And I'll show that to you guys with the upstairs one. So if the sleeping environment is shielded, you're able to protect yourself, at least for the six, seven, eight hours a day that you're sleeping. Now I spend a lot of time upstairs on my computer. So what I actually did was I set up another canopy here.  This one is grounded as well. If we take our electric and magnetic field meter, and I'll actually show you guys. So if I point the magnetic field at my circuit breaker, you know, it's 200, which is pretty high. But if I go into my parents' room and pointed out the circuit breaker, it's much lower, a much safer magnetic field level. So something that I did plan on touching on later was these magnetic fields that come from circuit breakers, that come from power lines. As we go into my sister's bedroom, the magnetic field levels are higher, too, when you point out the circuit breaker. And my sister is actually sleeping downstairs in the basement now, because she can't sleep upstairs. That's because, you know, those power lines that are very close to the house attach to the corner of the house over there, where there's a circuit breaker. So magnetic field levels are definitely not safe. I think I'll touch on these meters in another video, but the point is wherever the power lines attached to your house, you don't want that. We'll go outside and we'll measure the power lines in that later. So those high magnetic field levels are the reason I sometimes sleep in the dining room downstairs. If we switch this to electric fields, you know, the electric fields in this part of the room are 14, but electric fields come from outlets. So this is actually a filter that I plugged in to kind of reduce the dirty electricity, so it's measuring really high here, but it dissipates very quickly. Now, since this canopy is grounded, if you put this meter inside here, the electric field level should be much lower. They're around six or five. So the electric field levels are lower inside the canopy. Now, the reason that electric field did not go lower is because this is not a true Faraday.  So if you did enclose something in 100 percent Faraday, then the electricity would accumulate inside. And that's why it absolutely needs to be grounded. If you do want to know the benefits of grounding outside of making sure electricity doesn't build up, I do have a separate video on it. Either way, any sort of radiation device, electrical device, if it's not clothing on your body, it should absolutely be grounded. And even in day to day life, we should try to ground as much as possible. I guess I should explain for anyone that doesn't know what grounding is. It's an electrical current will always go to the path of least resistance. And if you're not connected to the earth, you are the path of least resistance. So as long as you are grounded in connection with the earth through some type of metal, copper wire, metal wire connection, you're fine. But the main reason we're using this canopy is to block radio frequency radiation, which is measured with this meter. So outside in my room here, there's like random flashes of of like moderate levels of radiation. But inside this canopy, it goes much lower. And I'll use my cell phone as an example. So right now my phone's on airplane mode and the meter is green. I turn it off airplane mode goes immediately to extreme. But if I'm in the canopy and the canopy is properly closed, the levels will go to green. So levels are completely green inside the canopy for the most part. Obviously it'll flash red a little bit because this isn't completely enclosed. And the cell phone is really close. But hypothetically, you put yourself on an airplane mode, which is another big thing, keep yourself on an airplane mode throughout the day. And that's going to kind of segue us into how to reduce household Wi-Fi. So just to summarize, wear protective clothing, bed canopy or Faraday cage in living area, as well as sleeping area, if possible, are the two main things for people that can't really control their environment. Now, some material that you can use for these cages is this is like some aluminum mesh that is used for like window screens and screen doors. And you can take this aluminum mesh, use some like two by fours or wood or something, screw it together, basically make a metal cage out of the aluminum. Then that still has to be grounded and plugged into a wall. Unfortunately for the majority of you, that's all you can really do is wear the protective clothing and shield the two main areas you're staying in. You can also keep your phone as I just mentioned on airplane mode and check it intermittently. I just found out you can set up, you know, Google Voice on your computer and have your computer direct wired and answer phone calls that way. We'll even have Ethernet adapters soon on Wi-FiShielding.com that allow you to plug your phone into your router and keep it on airplane mode. The only problem with that is you usually can't receive calls and text messages, but you can still use like Instagram and other messaging apps. So just to summarize throughout the day, keep the cell phone on airplane mode and you can check on it intermittently, you know, every, I don't know, 20, 30 minutes, however often you have to, but what you also want to do is if you do go on the phone and need to put it near your head, you can take a head cover, put the head cover on your head and we demonstrated this in the video last week.  The main reason this head cover and T-shirt and underwear isn't adequate for sleeping in for full protection is because it's not grounded and it's not as effective at blocking all the frequencies as a canopy is. Now for most of you, that's all you can really do, but I encourage you to stick around for the next, I don't know, 10, 15, 20 minutes. I think this is going to be a pretty long video showing every single household device, how it can be reduced, what you can do about it. I guess we'll start with my computer room because that's where I spend a lot of my time. So you guys got a glimpse of this filter earlier when I was measuring the electric field. You probably need about 20 or 30 of these plugged in throughout the house.  The problem is these are like 30 bucks each. I'm actually getting some samples from China to see if the Chinese ones are the same and if they are, and I can definitely get these to you guys for a heavily, heavily, heavily reduced price and it's not going to cost you a ridiculous thousand dollars to plug filters into your house. So that's for electric fields. The only real way you can reduce electric fields is by plugging in these filters or you could literally just turn the power off to your house or certain rooms when you're sleeping and you might sleep a lot better. You know, the magnetic field is what we mentioned earlier, the power line attaching to that corner of the house and the circuit breaker in the garage down here is certainly a problem, but when we go down there and we go outside, we'll talk about that more. In regards to what I've done in my room, that actual green screen, that wall, there's a wall of aluminum on there protecting it from my neighbor's house and this computer in here is direct hardwired. It's no Wi-Fi, no nothing. So I'm in here and I can just do my own thing and not worry too much about anything besides the high magnetic field levels and I am trying to move out of here as soon as possible because I think this magnetic field is killing me. So here's actually an ethernet wire running to the phone adapter that I'm currently using. Sometimes I'll plug in my phone just to get a better Wi-Fi signal to check Instagram or post on social media and that runs to my router, which I'll show you guys and you can get these on Amazon right now for like 18 or 20 dollars. I just think I'll be able to get them for you guys cheaper in a week or two. Now into my sister's room, she basically has a TV that's hardwired and there's no other Wi-Fi, no other electronics. So the only real concerns are anything coming in from the outside, which could be shielded with wallpaper, paint, EMF canopies or what are they called, drapes to cover that. So you can shield entire rooms, maybe we'll get some paint, maybe we'll get wallpaper soon, but that is heavily, heavily involved because you have to actually physically ground the wall, which requires putting, you know, tape up and all kinds of crazy stuff. But my sister's room is very safe because there's no devices in here. My parents room is another story. This was a Netflix device, which I unplugged.  This was frying my parents so badly that their behavior was literally screaming and yelling at each other like lunatics every day. They were under so much stress, so much anxiety from the high frequency fields. Now after I reduced the Wi-Fi in the household, believe it or not, my parents are much, much more pleasant to each other. They're not acting crazy and they still don't think Wi-Fi is real. So just make sure that if you have a Netflix or an Amazon or some type of device on the TV, those do emit very, very incredibly high levels of Wi-Fi signals as strong as having a cell phone on next to your head. So I would not use them in a household. I would unplug them. I don't think they can be directly wired either. So you need to find another option to watch TV. On the other side of my parents bed is actually the microwave. So I put some aluminum mesh screen on the back of their headboard to protect them a little bit. Oh, well, I'm glad I caught that. My mom has an electric blanket on the floor and I have my own electric blanket downstairs that was pretty expensive. I think it was like 180 bucks, but usually they're very high electric field. So that type of standard cheap electric heating blanket is something you don't want to have near your body. You can get a more expensive one that has lower levels of electric fields because it heats like stones.  Now that wire from my room, which was supposed to actually be ran by an electrician through the ceiling. So, you know, there's no crazy wires running through the hallway. Attaches to the router.  So, you know, I went on the computer. I went into the Wi-Fi settings. I turned it off so you cannot access Wi-Fi in this household. What you could also do is you could and I used to have it encased in aluminum and metal mesh just to reduce it or encase. You know, who knows if it's still emitting something. I don't know. And this is where all the hard wiring goes into the wall. You know, there's one ethernet cable going to hardwire my computer. There's one going to the downstairs computer. There's one going to the garage. You know, there's one going to my phone. So what you want to do is you want to put the router in a part of the house, turn it off and wire everything else to it. I don't really recommend having Wi-Fi on at all throughout the day in your household. If your kids want to use devices, it can absolutely be hardwired. And even if you do have Wi-Fi on in the household, if you put mesh over this or if you shield this a little bit, it does still reduce it. So it's better than nothing. OK, going downstairs.   It could also be their smart meter. And I'll show you guys the electrical meter on my house. This is something that's always overlooked. These RoboVax, which is unplugged, emit incredibly high levels of Wi-Fi radiation. So if you have a RoboVax, get rid of it. My brother brought this for my parents. I told them to stop using it. Now, this phone is special in a sense that it doesn't emit radiation. It's a hardwired cable phone and any wireless phone. I believe they call them DECT DECT phones. Amit pretty high levels of signals. You know, my grandma had one next to her bed where she was sleeping. I think she just put it back. But you want to take out the old phone and put in something old school, something that's hardwired. And this is like a 50 foot cable, which can go pretty far throughout the house. So you have one or two of these in the house. You know, you have a safe, low Wi-Fi way of speaking to people on the phone. That brings us to the most common household device. There is the microwave, which emits dangerous levels of all types of radiation. To my understanding, radio frequency, magnetic and electric, especially when it's on when I get my own place. I am ripping the microwave out of the wall. Now, my parents don't seem to really care that they have an X-ray in their kitchen. But I mean, this is probably the highest on the list of devices that need to be removed from the house. We have another TV down here. But again, it's hardwired. You know, there's no sort of signal coming out of anything here. The one thing to be concerned about kitchen devices in general is newer devices, whether it's a dishwasher and oven or refrigerator. They come with new smart technology, which can emit very high levels of radio frequency radiation. So I would definitely avoid the newer products and actually buy older or use stuff. Same thing applies to the cars, which is something I just discovered yesterday. So now we're going down to the computer room. We have my lovely sister on the computer. And this TV actually had a Netflix device as well. And I unplugged it. I turned it off. This was actually radiating my parents because they're above the ceiling and they were also getting radiated by the microwave and their Netflix device up there. So they were getting completely fried and cooked. This computer is also directly wired as well. And my mom bought a new printer last week or well, two or three weeks ago. And it was basically frying all of us until I realized, oh, she bought a new printer and forgot to turn the Wi-Fi off the printer. So you have to go into the printer settings. I'm using a computer. No, the printer is directly hardwired to the computer. So it prints without needing Wi-Fi. And the computer is directly hardwired to the internet so it doesn't need a Wi-Fi signal. So you have to go into the settings of the printer and make sure that it's off. And there's different ways to do that, depending on your printer model.  I'm going to double check if the Wi-Fi signal actually turned back on later. I'm not sure, but it should be off. This washer washing machine, obviously any sort of device, whether it's this or the fridge, you don't want to be sleeping next to it because it will emit some type of magnetic or electric field in close proximity. The overarching concern is the new smart technology and devices that can emit very, very high levels of far traveling fields. Now we're in the garage and the real big concern here is the circuit breaker. For this video, I'm not going to grab those meters and show you guys levels and this and that anymore, mainly because that should really be saved for a video talking about meters and most of you guys don't have them. What I will say down here in the garage, the circuit breaker has varying levels of magnetic fields. Sometimes it goes very high and they're actually dangerous. Sometimes it's much lower and actually safe. I'm in contact with Con Edison about that and when I do make that video on which meters to get that are reasonably affordable, you do want to make sure that there's no faulty wiring or that Con Ed isn't pumping electricity into your house because that'll increase the magnetic fields really, really, really high from like 80 to 100 nanoteslas, which is a unit of measurement up to like 800, 900 nanoteslas, which I believe converts to like 9 milligos. I mean, that's above most of our heads. Point is the circuit breaker is right here in the garage and when I work out a lot, when I'm 10, 15 feet away from it, I'm basically cooking myself. So you really don't want to be living or sleeping or working near a circuit breaker at all at any point during the day. And the main problem is in this house, the circuit breakers in the corner over there, my room is right up here and my sister's bedroom is also right up here. So the circuit breaker is in very close proximity to the bedrooms. What's even worse is where the power line physically attaches to the house. That's right by my bedroom and across from my sister's bedroom. And I can't believe they had a bedroom here where the power line connects. That is to me absolutely insane. And if you take a meter and you start measuring those magnetic fields near these power lines, that's where they would be very, very, very, very high. So ideally if you buy a house, it's on the opposite side of the street to the power lines, not on the same side. We should still take a look at the smart meter and then we can talk about low EMF vehicles. If I actually measure the Wi-Fi levels here, they're high because my neighbor has something going on. I don't know what device he has in his house, but it's frying this area. When I used to lay out here in tan, I would get headaches and that was why. So this is a digital electric meter that has to be manually read. And if you reach out to Con Edison, you can pay them a monthly fee to remove your smart meter. I actually want to test this to see if the levels go up higher at night versus during the day to see if they're pumping electricity into the house. That might answer some questions. That's a side thing. But you guys see I have some mesh around here. And on the other side of the wall in the garage, there's mesh against it. So you can enclose a smart meter in metal and shielding devices and completely block the signal. This, as I said, is a digital meter that we paid Con Edison for per month so that we don't have the smart meter radiating us. You can call up the cable company. I think there's a form you have to send them. It's called a smart meter opt out form. You can look that up and send that to your energy company. Worst case scenario, if you're stuck with the smart meter, you can shield the inside as well with the mesh. Unfortunately, nothing blocks magnetic fields. I'm not sure if I said that in this video. You cannot block a magnetic field from a circuit breaker or a power line. I mean, maybe if you had like 3,000 pounds of lead over here, dissipating it, but it's not practical. A lot of the EMF shielding equipment and technology available out there is for incredibly expensive high end commercial use. Like, I don't know, Chernobyl type stuff where these companies are spending hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars on equipment to shield themselves. So from a residential perspective, you're not going to be able to reduce a lot of these fields efficiently. But I think we've gone over just about every single possible household device I can think of, again, the main concern being those Wi-Fi fields. Simply by turning everything off, you can reduce that. But, you know, without a meter, it is a bit hard to identify if there's still a device on or what devices are emitting those frequencies. We'll see if I think of anything else. But in the meantime, we can talk about cars. Now, I wasn't planning on speaking about this today, but one of my viewers coincidentally sent me an email about low EMF cars. And this is a 2001 Ford Taurus, which I joke about how cheap it is. But the thing is, it's a very, very low EMF car because the engine is pretty far in front of the vehicle. So are most of the electronic devices. There's very few electronics in the car. So a 2001 Ford Taurus is one of the safest vehicles. And I believe diesel engines in general, which aren't as available in the United States, are much safer. We did upgrade the Taurus a little bit, boys. We got new front brakes and rotors installed. I did them, I did the struts, did the power steering pump. So, you know, buy an older car, fix it up. It's easier to maintain. It's easier to fix on your own. And it's low EMF. My mom has a new Mazda that she hasn't drove. I don't know why they bought a car on this time. But it's probably a relatively high EMF car. And guys, this is excluding the Tesla. We did a video driving a Tesla around. That is basically driving in a microwave. Even if you don't have an electric car or a Tesla, I mean, yeah, those are much, much, much worse. The average modern car, just the engine, the mechanics in it, can emit very high levels of magnetic and electric, let alone those radio frequency fields we see in the newer cars. I believe that article said diesel engine cars from the 1980s are the best things to drive. So, you know, if you want to drop like 15, 20K on a 40-year-old car and fix it up, that would be the most efficient way to reduce the Wi-Fi EMF. Maybe Frankie Wood can save up for that for a year or two. And that'll be his present to himself. I mean, overall, again, we want to relay back to that simple stuff we said at the start. Wear protective clothing.  And protect your sleeping areas. That is a great first step. If you do have more control, if you can mess around with more factors in your environment, then by all means, that will open up more opportunities to reduce the oxidative stress caused by the Wi-Fi. Things we didn't talk about are topics I've covered in other videos. Why is Wi-Fi harmful? What type of clothing should I wear? Why are microwaves dangerous? I always miss something that I want to talk about. So I'm really trying to dig into my brain that's getting fried by this power line right now. I mean, overall, this is something that you will notice. You know, if I go out to my front yard and I touch the tree and I ground myself, oh well, that is something we didn't talk about, grounding. I do have a separate video on grounding which you should definitely watch. Grounding is another thing kind of related to EMF, but not really. But again, overall, if you know what it's like to be in a low Wi-Fi environment, and then you are put in a high Wi-Fi environment, which is what most people are used to, you can tell a drastic, drastic difference. So I guess that's it for today, guys. I know this video has been a little bit long and a little all over the place, but there's no other real way to do this. There's so much to cover on the topic of household Wi-Fi EMF things to reduce. And not everyone has the opportunity to buy a house out in the middle of nowhere and hard wire and unlimited funds on contractors to do everything how it should be done. Make your best effort with your budget, what you can expend to reduce the Wi-Fi EMF as much as possible. And then once you experience the lower environment, once you feel better, once you understand the importance of it, then you can invest more time and money into fixing things. So I'm going to do one last run-through of my house to see if I think of anything or if I missed anything. But if there's no more clips, I'll see you guys for tomorrow's video. Thank you for joining me. I mentioned the wi-fi-shielding.com. You can check out all the other videos I've done on Wi-Fi EMF, frank-the-found-it.com. If you guys do want to reach out to me, I'll have to speak about this further. I guess one more bonus thing I can touch briefly on, which deserves its own video, is like blue light blocking stuff, which pales in comparison to Wi-Fi EMF. So yeah, I mean, blocking blue light, especially a night before you're going to bed, is important. But I have a feeling that was some type of distraction and a way to get people to reduce Wi-Fi EMF without actually telling them the truth about what it is. So I'm sitting here editing this video and I noticed that there were some devices I don't personally have that you guys probably have in your homes, such as like some type of security cameras that usually run on Wi-Fi. You could also have like an Amazon Alexa or some type of Google home device, very high levels of radiation. And also like a doorbell or a door camera, basically anything that runs on Wi-Fi, aka radio frequency, Bluetooth, headsets, a lot of things are commonly overlooked. And when you're trying to reduce EMF exposure as much as possible, there's some really, really silly things that can be alleviated fairly easily.  I'm going to put them into a playlist for you guys. But thanks again for watching this video today, guys. Let me know if you have any questions down in the comments below. And I'll try to get back to you.


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Hello, welcome everyone. My name is Rosa Maria Costich-Cisneros and I am collaborating with the Independent Theatre Hungary. I am here sitting with Natalia Secova and Kalina Vasileva. Natalia will be here sharing with us her work Gypsy Wheels and Kalina will be translating for us. So thank you both so much for sitting down with us today and offering your experience and your information and love for the work. So, if Natalia, if you could begin by introducing yourself, who you are, you're an actress, a writer, if you can tell us a little bit about you and your background, please. Natalia, can you share with us where you come from, can you tell us a little bit about yourself?  If I have to mention my age, I am Romka, I am from an origin, Romni and I am proud of this fact. And I am proud of this fact. Yes, thank you and so can you tell us a bit about the work Gypsy Wheels and your relationship to that work, to Gypsy Wheels? While I was a student in the Teatrán Academy in Bulgaria, I thought that I had to make a show. Because everyone was saying that this is something that a lot of people rely on me as an actress. And after I finished the Teatrán Academy, I met the famous drummer here in Bulgaria, Zdrava Kamenova. I met him in Bulgaria, I met him in Bulgaria, Zdrava Kamenova. I met him in Bulgaria, Zdrava Kamenova. And after I met him, a lot of the Romani events took place. Natalia, can you please hold on for a second. Can you speak a little bit? Yes, yes, I will speak a little bit. You will write a little bit. Okay, so while she was a student, Natalia says, everybody thought that, and she herself thought that she has to do something related to the Roma. And then everybody thought that it should suit her very well if she does a monospectacle. And then when she graduated, she got introduced to a drummer writer, a playwright, Zdrava Kamenova, who actually liked her a lot and told that she could write something for her. Maybe you can put it. And after that, the Romani events took place. I was very inspired by that. And she decided to write My Gypsy Wheels. When Zdrava Kamenova understood that she is from Romani origin, she got inspired and she just decided that she could write something for her. And this was the Gypsy Wheels. And that's how it all started, the Gypsy Wheels. And so just to be clear, you're right now in Bulgaria, correct? Yes. And so is there a lot of maybe Bulgarian Roma influence in the work? Is there a lot of influence from other Bulgarian Roma and Bulgarians? What? In terms of Gypsy Wheels. Yes, there is. Because the stories in the presentation are based on real history, told by Roma, who have passed through discrimination. There is actually great influence on the Gypsy Wheels by other people, Roma and non-Roma, and especially people who have endured a lot of discrimination. All the stories are true stories actually, and the script is based on true stories. People who share their stories of discrimination in Bulgaria. And one of the things that I could see when I watched the work was the variety of people, the different profiles. And you now say that they're true stories. How did you decide which stories to select? Because I know that there probably were many. I watched the work and actually Gypsy Wheels. And I know that there are many different profiles of people who are in the stories. And now I will show you the real stories and you can share how you decided which stories should be included in the presentation itself. There are many stories, but in the case of the drama, I decided that the story should be turned into a whole plot. Yes, exactly. And how they will be connected with the main idea of the presentation itself. There were plenty of stories, but actually the playwright actually decided, Drava decided which stories to include so that they could contribute to the main team of the play. How they will be connected to all of this. To prove the point. And you were an actress in the work, correct? And did you meet any of the people that were contributing, giving the stories? And was there something that you remember maybe about meeting these people and learning about their stories that you want to share? Did you meet the people that were contributing to the play? No, unfortunately I didn't meet these people. Of course, I know Boyko Transky, if I'm not mistaken, who is the hero of Isus in my presentation. Because this is the story of a man who was left behind by his parents in the United States in Bulgaria. So for him, I only knew the story and I saw it on the screen, but personally we didn't know each other. Unfortunately, I haven't met any of the people whose stories we have in the playwright. But I kind of know Boyko, who actually has the story of Jesus in the play. And I've seen him on TV, so we don't know each other personally. Okay. And what feels important from your perspective? What's important about this play, about this work? Why do you think it's important for people to see this work? I would like to see this presentation of freedom, which carries a fair conversation, freedom which carries the fact that you don't defend yourself, you admit who you are, what you are. And at the time, at least six years of playing the role, this presentation reached a lot. Exactly, because it affects a lot, how to say, liberating a lot of people who are being oppressed by the events. So probably it is freedom. I would like to see people to see and to think about the freedom that this play brings.  Probably it's been six years since this play has been on, and it's been six years people started to actually feel the freedom of this to show their origin. And it's a lovely, I think, way. You started at the beginning saying, I'm Roma woman, and I'm very proud of that. And so this, you know, this point about freedom, having the freedom but also the bravery to say you're Roma, because we know that anti-Gypsyism is very much real. So I just want to say I picked up on this point in the work. Yes, freedom is very important. There is something which is pink on the cover, and it is the courage to say what's happening. Because in the world there is a lot of anti-Gypsyism. You know, and I don't want to say how much. And I know that you didn't write the play, but do you have any idea where the title of the play came from? Why Gypsy Wheels? I understand that you didn't write the play, but where did the name of the play come from? The director of the play, Kali Nagyelov, came up with this idea, because he wanted this play to be connected with the nomadic way of life of the Roma. And these Gypsy Wheels, the idea was to be able to be completed anywhere in the world. So it was the director of the production, actually, Kali Nagyelov, who decided that it should be the name Gypsy Wheels. He wanted to focus a little bit on the nomadic way of life of the Roma people. He wanted to kind of focus on that. And is there for you a moment when you're maybe in the work as an actress or outside from feedback from the audience? Is there a memory that comes to mind that you would like to share? It can be good or bad, but something that really you remember, because there's been many years that the work has been shared. So I'm sure there are many memories. Is there a moment that you would like to share, as an actress or as a kind of feedback that you received from the audience? And something that comes to mind that you remember, that you would like to share? For 6 years, the presence of Gypsy Wheels, the performance, the meeting with a lot of audience, really with a lot of audience, with a lot of different audience. I was lucky to play in front of a lot of people, in front of different people. And I'm happy that this performance achieved a unique effect on the audience. And I received extremely positive reviews. One of the most emotional is for me. It was when I played the whole performance of the Romance Ghetto in Sofia, which I wanted to expect and tell me how impressed I was by what you saw and heard. And I remember that we cried. Maybe this is the most emotional thing that came to my mind. For the next years, yes, and I've had a lot of audiences, different, various, diverse audiences. And I'm happy that we could reach one in the same effect and somehow everybody could find himself somehow.  The teenage girls who in the end wanted to say how well they felt when they watched her. And in the end, after the play, they simply started crying. That must be quite powerful and transformational in many ways. And also very proud. I'm sure that, you know, I get a bit emotional because I think that it's very, you know, our young people sometimes are going through a lot and to see and also have a role model like you, I'm sure that's lovely for them. And also the play has lots of topics, lots of stories that I think, as you say, many people can find, identify with. So lovely. Thank you for sharing that. Is there anything else you would like people listening to know about the work or about you in relation as an actress, maybe what you'd like to do as an actress and why it's important for someone, a Roma woman like yourself in theater, you know, on a European and global level. Is there anything you want to share? First of all, I'd like to quickly introduce myself. Rosa herself says that yes, it's really, really powerful and transformational. It happens because when the young people come to you and actually show that there is a great effect of different stories and people can identify with them. And the other one that Rosa asks is, I'd like to share something in relation to your work as an actress and what you would like to do and what you would like to do and what it's important for you to do, at least you have something to say. I'd like to give you one more presentation that is called, called, My Name, which was also mentioned in another target group. In the beginning of the 70s, in Bulgaria it happened, I don't know how to translate it, it was a very destructive process and a huge part of the Roma-Muslims were one of the victims of this process because they were replaced by their names. When I understood the facts from our story, I decided that I should make a presentation and create a spirit, let's call it, My Name. So one of the things that Natalia started to do is, last year, in the end of last year, they did a play, which is called Call Me By My Name, and it actually has a different purpose. It features the revival process of the Turkish people, of the Muslim, of the Turkish people in Bulgaria back in the 80s. When everybody was, every Muslim was forced to change their names into Bulgarian names. Some of the people were extradited from Bulgaria, so it all was done by force. So this is something they actually focused with her team and they made a play with that. As an idea, I would like to tell you about a comic, a famous romantic story in Rome, which tells its stories through the state they are in, through the courts they are in, in such a high school. Before we, the playwright of the Gypsy world, we decided that we will have a round of, a round of, what is it called, a place, and they're going to be called the taste of life. They will be, it's going to be something like a reality. They will cook on stage, and they will talk about the different traditions and the different occasions where Roma gather together and cook and how they cook different meals and what it brings. It's going to be a round of, yeah, a round of participations here. Lovely. Well that feels like a wonderful way to bring people together and to talk about these traditions that maybe not everyone understands, but through cooking, you know, it does something for the senses, for the eyes, for the nose, for the ears, so that's lovely, that's really lovely. Well thank you so much to both for sitting down with me today with us and for sharing your perspective on Gypsy wheels, but also that the wheels keep turning and you create new things and new work, so thank you so much, thank you both. Thank you, thank you Rosa. Thank you.