That installed the cabinet in the laundry room drilled through the pipes in behind it And so we went out in our side yard and water was gushing out of the side of the house So that was this massive Deconstruction tearing everything out redoing walls. It was a big mess about a week ago We looked and water was coming out of the wall in the same place Oh, we called the contractor back He tore a hole from the outside this time dug a big hole and it turned out Wasn't the pipes on the inside the hose was leaking and spraying against the wall So we have a big hole on the side of our house and out 500 bucks for making him race over and fix it When it was the hose spring, you know, that's the that's the worst thing like I mean Do you keep like so everything that got remodeled and reconstructed?  Like hyper cute like just like oh, yeah, yeah, like is that leaking is that shaking is that creaking? Is that oh No, not like that.  Oh, you know, I wouldn't have put that tile this way I put it up at this way. Well, I mean when we had our roof done I always keep an eye on it to make sure like especially because all the past rain It's like is it really like I don't know. I just I'm paranoid I want everything to to work as advertised. I say what is someone to come back around Spend a weekend slamming on my roof Unlike the rest of us you'd like it to just work What do the gray ones mean in the left a and B columns where those gray does it mean something? No, okay, I mean anything there are some there are some times in there that just kind of keeps Roger on the ball and You shouldn't worry about it too much But as you know, if you know if it turns red and we're really going off on something that we know to wrap our I love that So, um, so It's okay, I pulled it out so you guys have a discussion time. Yeah, talk freely scream Sure, I don't know why this one attention grabbing. Yeah, this is 11. I mean, I would prefer throat singing over screen, but Throat singing throat, it's very big in Mongolia. It's what don't say your vocal cord just you sing slightly like going like oh I mean, I'm not a throat singer, but if you heard it you would kind of recognize the sound Well, this is well, look we'll examine that later at the end of the show, but right now. We will mm-hmm. Yep So feel free to wait. Yes I'm recording as are you so I'll count myself in in three two Paul Davison has supported independent tech news directly for five years Be like Paul become a DTNS member at patreon.com slash DTNS This is the daily tech news for Wednesday, January 30th 2019 from studio feline. I'm Sarah Lane from pod feed central I'm Allison Sheridan and Manning the music is Roger Chang the show's producer Speaking about himself in the third person That's way to do It's true. It makes you sound important We've got a lot of stuff to talk about Kind of a crazy news day today So we're gonna do the best best we can blow off it. Let's start with a few tech things. You should know Security researcher Olivia Howe tipped off TechRound to that a server of customer data belonging to the data management startup Rubrik was online without password protection The server was hosted on Amazon elastic search and contained Tens of gigabytes of customers names contact information and casework dating back to October of 2018 and included customers like Deloitte shell Acknowledged bank the UK national health service and homeland security when alerted by TechCrunch Rubik took the server offline and stated that no customer owned data was actually exposed Again, yeah tough stuff Alphabet's jigsaw tech incubator announced that its distributed denial of service protection service Project skilled project shield probably will be available to European news organizations that are quote vital to free and fair elections Ahead of European parliamentary elections this May project shield allows sites to route traffic through a Google IP address Which uses a reverse proxy that identifies and filters malicious traffic Google also announced it is done in-person security training For over 1,000 campaign and election officials Journalists and people from election related NGOs or non-governmental organizations Google will also require anyone running European election ads to verify being either an EU based entity or Citizen as well as private provide disclosures for who is paying for the ad Google also make in an EU election Ads transparency report available in coming weeks as well as a searchable library It all sounds like it's the right move and at the same time very complicated Talking well speaking of complicated and Allison, I'm glad that you're with me for this today We talked a little bit about Apple's earnings in the show yesterday because they were breaking right as we were recording But now we have a little bit more information. So let's parse it shall we Apple recorded Q4 earnings per share of four Dollars and 18 cents on revenue of eighty four point three billion dollars Analyst had expected revenue of eighty three print ninety seven billion dollars on earnings of four dollars and seventeen cents per share so Slightly above estimates if you're looking at it that way iPhone revenue, which if you need a reminder Doesn't now break out unit sales anymore So it's all iPhones not certain models of iPhones came in at fifty one point nine eight billion dollars versus the analyst expectations of Fifty two point sixty seven billion that's going to upset some folks services pulled in a ten point nine billion dollars in revenue Increasing twenty nine percent on the year we talked a little bit about that yesterday Apple becoming more of a services company and how that's Advantages for them wearable home and accessory revenue was seven point three one billion dollars on the quarter going thirty three percent on the year Slightly below analyst expectations in that regard overall Apple saw quarterly revenue decline five percent on the year the first time It's seen a decline on the holiday quarter very important quarter. This is Apple's quarter since 2001 Apple pegged this decline Exclusively on slowdowns in China Apple loves to do that which saw an almost a five billion dollar decrease in revenue since last year Allison lots of numbers here, but we you know, we yeah, yeah, we're talking about there's a slowing market in China There there's the fact that you know the iPhones aren't the Necessarily the the the phone that they used to be because they have so many great competitors What are your thoughts on on these numbers and and what it means for Apple going forward? Well, I think that their strategy is probably well placed that they're working towards the services segment because there were some some other numbers in that same report is Their gross margin on services was sixty two point eight percent That is that is bananas, right? I mean, I think it's 30 on everything else so sixty two point eight percent is crazy and the services segment grew 19% year over year. So you're seeing these declines in Apple iPhone of revenue and and and profits and shipments But if you also look at the the China market like you guys reported just yesterday or maybe it was yeah, I think it was yesterday Could have been two days ago. Anyway that the market the market for Smartphones in China dropped. I think it was 14 percent overall and apples dropped 13 percent So they dropped a little bit. Yeah, I think it was a story from Monday, but but yeah, I mean lying the line So it certainly has to be a combination of all of these things. I mean the phones are overpriced They do make they still make an obscene margin on things like the phones But you know, the iPads are doing well and the services are just growing out of control So, you know, they're trying to not be a one-hit wonder, right? They got we've got other stories to talk about what they're doing and some interesting things coming out of that, right? We do we do and and before we move on I just want to ask you because I know you're an Apple enthusiast I would call myself the same What what what are your thoughts on on the this idea that Apple might get into some gaming? Subscription mode with the folks that might be lured from the playstations and the Xboxes You know, I don't know enough about the gaming market to really know whether that would have any chance of success I mean the great strength of Apple and gaming has been the mobile market, right? The the fun little, you know, do it while you're in line at a grocery store market Not the you know sit down and play some big epic game all puns intended. Yeah Yeah, I do always find it comedic to look at though because remember way back in the day I don't even know if you're old enough to remember this but people who use PC Oh max are just for games. That's not serious. I Mean I had a PC as a child growing up I'm not sure that we ever said that about Mac people, but somebody probably did somewhere All right, well moving on but still in the same vein Or did we did we do all three of these? Sorry the second financial earnings call there Item the just do line 18. Sorry about that. Yeah So preceding Apple's financial earnings call yesterday that revealed iPhone sales fell 15% compared to the same time last year CEO Tim Cook blamed a strong US dollar reduced subsidies from carriers for the iPhone and the battery replacement program However, Apple CFO Luca Maestri blamed most of the decline on China and other emerging markets in a subsequent exchange between Cook and analyst Milanovic The CEO mentioned pricing was a factor plus out of the most popular iPhone model was the XR the cheapest phone in the lineup Yeah, so Apple has continued this whole sort of like Listen the Chinese market is really screwing us right now. We're you know, we're doing the best we can they are being Quite forward-facing at least with the public about this line of thinking Roger I don't know It's it's at this point. I mean, we're you know, we're we're getting through earnings reports where things do seem Not dire for Apple, but certainly We're we're you know, we're we're in a bit of a trough. So, you know, how much does this resonate with you? So it's interesting because you know, again, you know, there are multitude of factors on why the iPhones hasn't really, you know shifted the needle this generation In terms of sales and a lot of factors were put forth Except for the one that a lot of people say well the phone's too freaking expensive Like no one's going to outlay 1k for a phone 600 was a stretch for a lot of people right six ends like fine, you know It does everything. I can put it for a thousand. I mean that that's kind of the the step too far and I think part of it was no You know, they're reluctant to mention that because They have this idealized pricing system where they would have each of their products occupy a niche or or market segmentation Now, if you know it's my apple doesn't really have a budget line in the same way that Samsung or Lenovo or Xiaomi has and so they've they've relied on this kind of middle upper middle and then like super bling expensive You know halo phone But at some point, you know, there can be only so many people are willing to outlay that kind of cash And you need to figure out Whether or not you want to keep targeting people that you know may Want to spend or may want to spend a thousand dollars on a phone but can't because it's financially unaffordable So I don't actually think it's the top phone being a thousand dollars That's really the problem because samsung's got a top phone. That's a thousand dollars Nobody's yelling at them for that But the difference is apple brought way up the bottom of line phone, right? You used to be able to get one for 350 I think it jumped up to 450 so now you can't buy an iphone that's got new innards and is pretty cool For a little bit of money you have to put in a lot of money just your starting point is that much higher And you know, it's it's it's interesting as you say that because it's not just their phones that they're doing that So if you look at their entire product line, you do kind of see an inch upward on the low end on pricing like For example, like my my macbooks from 2012 it needs to go, you know, badly, but When I go and price out, you know a comparable model unless I'm looking at the refurb units That they sell on the site. I mean it gets pretty pricey. I mean, it's what?  Well if I need to do anything useful I'm looking at almost two thousand dollars Yeah in order to buy, you know, not even upper upper, you know top of the line Model but something, you know that you know that has a one terabyte ssd that my macbook has right now In 16 gigs of ram and you're like, you know, it's a lot of money Yeah Well, should we do another apple story the information soon? We are on a roll tell us what's next The information reports at apple is told content studio and networks involved with their forthcoming streaming service is To be ready for launch by mid april According to three sources and is expected to be publicly available within weeks of that date And for the record, no pricing or information on what the service will actually look like was part of the report Oh, geez. We still don't know what it's going to cost. But hey april's right around the corner anyway That's exciting. All the speculation will be over and then what will we talk about? You know, what's funny? I uh, we talk about we talk about so many tv services on the show And I was on cord killers the other night as a guest, uh, which is tom redd and and brian brashwood's Show about cutting the cord and all all all the things that you can do In that regard and you know, it kind of just This whole idea of apple is finally going to have this original content It's going to be an apple ecosystem thing And I'm I'm starting to feel like and maybe it's because I've been waiting so long I'm starting to feel like I don't know how much I care Since they haven't announced it yet We it just also it's it's it's been part of this news cycle for some time And if I was sitting around being like Wish had a great show to watch don't have any great shows to watch Maybe I'd feel a little bit differently, but it's like I can barely get through all the great shows that I watch now And I'm not even watching the good place. Exactly. Why are you not watching the good place? I have no time I literally have no time Uh, well, anyway, that that's exciting. I don't know april. Yeah. Yeah Find out finally at least we'll stop speculating Exactly or start speculating something completely different Speaking of reports an exclusive Reuters report has revealed that a hacking unit composed of contracted ex-american intelligence Operatives and united arab emirates intelligent services monitor the iphone's of activists diplomats and foreign leaders using a software tool known as karma Into introduced back in 2016 karma grants remote access to a target's iphone by uploading phone numbers Or email accounts into an automated targeting system It was used to obtain photos emails text messages location information And save passwords the tool became less useful at the end of 2017 when apple rolled out new security updates Why didn't we not hear about this back then if karma was around?  I thought the same thing. I was like karma I've heard of karma, right? Haven't I maybe I haven't Yeah, it was a little bit under my radar for sure. I'm really glad that uh, they stopped it Maybe we just weren't paying attention, but I don't know. I watched this kind of stuff. That's crazy Yeah, yeah, I mean, uh, well, I mean again, we're talking about intelligence folks So perhaps they're able to go into the radar, you know in a way that keeps us guessing um, but uh, but yeah, I That's not a good thing. You know, it's it's one of those things that typically these tools are developed for government Agencies, right? They're not something that you're gonna go you go down to the the apple stores Look, I need karma install on my phone so I can stoop on my mom and dad because they don't know what they're doing on their phones And I need to know what's going on Um, oftentimes with tools like these, you know, they're kind of circulating that a very small circle of people or agencies that use them and You know, what's what's so fascinating about this is this is stuff that used to be exclusively the providence of large You know economies like the united states or china or rusher or or, you know, britney or france where they have extensive You know, uh intelligence capabilities Now you're seeing it move downstream to middle power countries that are using it in a more selective sense to monitor, you know dissidents monitor Activists and stuff like that and it's it's kind of a spread almost kind of a A I want to say democratization, but just kind of you have these tools slowly start spreading out to to wider and wider circles of of actors rather than just exclusive club that it used to be even like six years ago Well, I'm thinking we take a little turn away from apple for just a moment Uh, chrome is set to add a feature to warn users when they access sites with domain names that look like authentic websites The feature is reportedly called navigation suggestions for you look alike urls The process is said to be a drop down panel under the chrome address bar Asking the user if they really meant to visit that url. No word on when this feature will officially ship Well, okay, maybe we don't know when but I I welcome it and I like to think that for the most part I I cannot be foiled But it does happen. I think we're all you know guilty of that you know the the the idea of you know kind of this fishing scheme thing is is Is It it's when it's very clever. It's actually it's somewhat very useful They're really good, you know typos too, right So anyone who's running chrome right now and you can look at the version that you updated You can actually put put this url in and you can activate it within the browser even though it's not official But you know, it's mind-blowing to see like, you know, there's typo sites like they Zinni that the author gives one example So they spell PayPal, but they add an extra l at the end instead of you know, uh, pa l it's pa l l dot com Because that's what people might type and often, you know, people think oh, that's just silly people do that Just because it's it's uh, it's a cheap way that it clicks on the other site But I mean there's a lot of malicious use of these things and I think it's great that they they've actually Are implementing something that uh enables a user to kind of steer away from that especially people like my dad Yeah, they just type things in and maybe that's the keyboard Yeah, like one day you're in a hurry and you type those two l's like Okay, you're probably gonna understand that you're not at the official PayPal sites But think of how many people are just I don't know. They got a lot of other stuff going on and they don't quite understand that that has happened and um, yeah, it it if chrome is gonna make that more Transparent for everybody all the better the next round of whack-a-mole is well received Exactly. Hey to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes. It's a wonderful companion show to ours here at DTNS subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com All right, allison so We talked about this a little bit before the show But we'll we'll kind of set it up for everybody else who who needs to get on board here tech crunch reported on facebook's project atlas If you haven't heard of it, this is a program that sends 2016 paid users Between the ages of 13 and 35 So quite a spread there to install a facebook research vpn app The app was installed via beta testing services and gave facebook root access to decrypted network traffic Facebook really wanted to know what was going on there users were paid 20 dollars per month You might say well, that's nothing. I don't know if you're 13 You might think that that's a lot plus referral fees outside of analyzing network usage facebook also asked participants for system screenshots including amazon order histories Since publication facebook stated it would shut down the program on ios, but facebook research is still available on android and It's somewhat of an ongoing situation at this point allison. What are your first thoughts? I mean you're a parent I mean you You know the you know the social networking Is is contentious enough when it comes to the younger folk, but but facebook paying younger people to Be part of research experiments Does that set well with you everything about this just makes me want to scream So first of all they had a vpn app that was designed to do this and apple Took it out of the mac app store because it was wrong in all ways I don't know whether it violated times of terms of service, but whatever it was they took it out So facebook actually did an end run and they used the capability that companies who write Developing developer companies Can create a profile that allows them to install an app within the company to test an application So let's say they're testing a new version of facebook messenger They could use this profile to distribute it within the company to have everybody test it That is all it is allowed to be used for Facebook used that to do an end around and recreate that same vpn thing They were banned from using before to do it outside of i mean just Ian children There there is nothing I can usually find some way to you know play devil's advocate.  I mean, you know some of us where it is much later than that But some of us still might be it might be either here nor there all president company included but The the thing is you can't say that it's okay because a 13 year old said, oh, yeah, sure. I'll sell this for 20 bucks I mean they sell their kidney for 20 bucks. I mean they they don't know Ah Well, and yeah, okay. Okay. So and you're fired up and and and that's a good thing And and I think that that sentiment is shared by a lot of other folks But what would the solution have been? You know, how would you have rolled this out differently so that sure there might be data collection that that's for the general good of all of us But in a way that doesn't seem so creepy I don't know if there is a way to do it because Yeah, it's it's against the terms of service. It's it's Not allowable.  I mean it just everything about it is awful Now the good news is that um apple is is spanking them pretty well According to mac rumors They apple has stopped them from being able to use these internal profiles Which means they can't do any testing of any of their internal apps And another thing you can use these internal profiles for these certificates is you can create a An internal app that just works say with your Your crm system or you know food services or something like that Facebook can't use any of their own apps internally right now other than you know the production stuff They can't do anything. So they're getting they're getting a pretty big hand slap on this And i've been watching the news hoping to see that google does something too I mean, maybe it's not against google's terms of service, but it's certainly should be against the terms of wrong Well, okay, so the given the fact that uh facebook has suffered some pr challenges as of late certainly over the last year and um You know in in something like this I mean we care about it You want to yell we're fired up about it But how much do you think this would matter to somebody who already is worried that facebook might not be uh, you know A legit social network to to give all your information to Yeah, it There it seems like people are falling into different classes people who never used it people who dipped their toe in and went Oh, that's really creepy and got back out and then there's the vast majority of us where it's like Well, that's the only way I know what my family is doing, you know Uh, this one hit me harder than all of the other ones. I know so much of what they've done has been disgusting and and it's it's just such a clear sign that their culture has nothing to do with Caring about us at all. I mean I I know they're a company then companies jobs are to make money. I I'm the first one to say Oh, it's okay that apple has 68 percent revenue or you know gross margins on services but there's There's some level of wrong you have to draw the line at and You know that delete button is just hovering right next to my finger right now for this one This one just really really angered me Well, and I don't think you're alone and I suspect that we'll probably get some feedback about this and I hope that you do If you want to vent vent to us feedback at daily tech news show Dot com also. Thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit. You help us pick our stories You are an integral part of the show You can submit them and also vote on other people's stories at daily tech news show dot reddit.com We're also on facebook facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show Alison sherry didn't thank you so much for being with us. Um, I know that you want to scream Uh, you didn't and I applaud your ability to ran it in But uh, let folks know where where they can keep up with all of your fabulous work Well, I do want to plug two things sort of folding one into the other The first is I want you to look at a page a web page that I created called podfee.com It's my at podfee.com. It's my subscribe to the podcast page And what I want you to be amazed by this is I hand coded this my little self Nothing was auto generated at all if you shrink and and uh increase the size of the page If you look at it on a on a phone versus in landscape mode on a phone You will see the text changes things move around. It's fluid. It's all mobile first and it's amazing The reason I I know I'm just like pat my I'm just grinning from man. I know that feeling I know that feeling we're like it worked It looks really nice. The reason I'm I know how to do this is because of a podcast that I've been doing for 70 episodes with Bart Bouchard's it's called programming by stealth and he has been slowly sneaking up on us teaching us To program and we've done html and css and and javascript and now we're doing bootstrap And bootstrap classes are what allowed me to do this and it's such a cool course because I feel so powerful now Like look what I I did that with my own bare hands. It's like I I carved it out of of stone is what I feel like So it's a big plug for programming by stealth. Bart Bouchard's does all of the work He writes amazing tutorial show notes, and I'm the stooge going. Wait, what do you mean? I don't understand and then I got all excited when I get it to work Um, that's amazing, uh sounds like a podcast that will help a lot of folks Yep, look forward in your pod catcher of choice under programming by stealth We'll do and thanks so much for being with us on our show Also, thanks to our patrons our goal each month. You know what the goal is, but I'm gonna tell you again anyway One more patron than last month just one if there's two or 10 or a million that would be great But at least one more you could be the person that puts us over the top and makes our hearts sing Become a detain us member and get an ad free rss feed special episodes from tom On how we do the show. What's going on behind the scenes? How it all works You know special episodes looking back on tech news of the past and more sign up at patreon.com D t n s also. 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I I see I see where that kind of yeah, would have tripped a person up Sorry about that I was uh, I was trying to I was supposed to write them into one broad like It's eight minute section of just all those bits I felt like I had we had already talked about it. And that's what I got paralyzed. I mean Well, I know in a world with only apple and facebook news Well, I mean you touched it, but you actually Didn't until you got to it, which is the price. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we're interrelated Yes, thanks for like let me plug that you can tell I'm pretty excited about my uh I'm excited for it. No, that's great. That's really cool The last programming class I took was Fortran four with watt five in 1980 so Those are the sorts of things too where you're like, okay I know that lots of people know how to do this but when you do it for the first time you're like Got it. Okay. Like yeah, like I I made fire I could make lots of websites for people should they need it like, you know, it's that's a that's a really cool skill It's a single web page And it took me like three weeks one web page. Yeah one web page. It's funny. I um, I There's a potential uh podcast that I may produce for a team and and They're they're very they're very fond of dts and and lots of other stuff where I'm like, okay Well, you just you know need to know How the sausage gets made like it seems really easy But there's a lot going on behind the seams like just so you know Do you want to hire me to make that for you? There's a lot of plates to be spinning.  It just isn't um, and we all know that but But it's it's funny Explaining production to people who don't work in production And I'm kind of mostly talking about video, but audio certainly Audio in the same vein.  It'll be like really chill and organic Yeah, like that if you want to shoot a bunch of stuff It's never going to be chill because you want to get through it Right, but I but I was like, okay, even even if it's really chill. It's like Have you thought about music like Right the the music that you like in that other podcast that I sent you as an example is Someone made that Like where do you think that comes from? Like you don't just like have it Yeah, like really, you know sort of nice, um I don't know. It it's uh, it's you do crappy It's really sure. Yeah, of course. Yeah. I'm like anything like their quality, you know levels and you can kind of put some together That's a little slapstick that works But isn't super polished and then you have sort of the you know the radio labs of the world We're like, oh, yeah, that's you know, like they've obviously put a lot of work into post-production but It's funny to talk to somebody who's like I don't understand what you mean by the xml file And I'm like, well, it's very important It turns out it's And it has to live somewhere on your website And I'm gonna have to talk to your IT manager about this because it needs to happen Very well. Did I ever point this out sarah?  Oh, and then when I moved into this office I didn't have that shelf up there.  I think you did point this out. Um, but your your Studio looks real nice. Absolutely. Yeah I'm really liking the new room and I got some new lights Yeah, I got some new led lights up here that really that might be what it is I feel like it's yeah like the lighting is really good and yeah Yeah, that's the uh Have you noticed how big your hands are when you do this though? I noticed in tom's new studio when he reached he talks like this with his hand and it's like wow, that's a big hand Yeah Hmm a huge hand compared to my head.  So I like mo jams facebook to apple hold my beer I didn't understand that one. Uh, it's because of the whole apple The um, you know with FaceTime yesterday. I don't I don't I don't understand what hold my beer means either And I'm glad you said this all of a sudden like I don't understand that not just right now, but ever No, that means like I don't know what that joke is So it's like a dude thing like you're in a bar or something you're having a couple of brews and Like someone does something like oh he totally did like an awesome molly or he totally, you know That doesn't fit in this context. You would say to someone hold my beer. I'm going to try to attempt the same thing Right, it's like hold my purse. Yes See if somebody would just send that to me a year ago. I would have been why would facebook have said that to Because apple I was so confused by that. I was like Yesterday apple got got roasted for having the oh FaceTime He's not even though the other person hasn't accepted your call. It's a meta level from yesterday to today Yes, I like should be against the terms of rung. I know that was my quote, but I like it Hey, that's good. That's good.  Oh, that's up the apple upset the apple cart Apples gross margins or bananas Another amazing quote. Don't hate that one To me gets the terms of wrong It fits I It's one of those things that You know, it's I'm wondering if if this basically feels like facebook is going through their corporate midlife crisis They're just like they don't know what they're doing. I wanted to see their their death nail They're reaching a grabbin for stuff. They're gonna eventually gonna end up with a red sports car convertible Yeah, you pay. Yeah, they're just gonna They're gonna have a what would look a new era of life It's for companies. It's usually when they do something that has nothing to do with their core business and they just kind of get into it Like facebook snacks You know like dietary supplements That actually might sell all Think about it.  It's like I mean What member of your non-technical family cares about any of the stuff? Zero of mine They don't care. They're not reading the stories and if they did they'd be like, don't make any sense to me Don't care. I just want to share my photos with you. Yeah but they're They're most in instagram now with a okay. I'll push the button to also post to facebook because whatever That seems to be more but then again, of course, that's a facebook property. Yeah, sure. Yeah I mean, I see what you're saying but at the same time there there is a There's a continuation of serialized Just bad behavior that simple people would say you might you might need to do management Yeah, I honestly think those people were in europe that agreed to do that if gdpr would be interesting there I mean, i'm trying to picture whether they're their Agreement that the kids signed up for said things like Okay, so if you go to your doctor's website and you do research on the disease that you have We will be recording that and probably selling it. Okay Did it say that? 20 dollars per month What do you got to lose? Okay 20.   It's that Companies are manipulative Well, they're manipulative, but they're manipulating a segment of the population that typically by law is not considered An adult for legal reasons, right? You a 13 year old Right Yeah, you got another five years till you can vote man Chill out. I think it's 17. You don't have any idea of the repercussions to your future of what you're doing I mean, that's why you see, you know 16 year olds posting pictures of themselves drinking beer And they don't understand why they don't get a job when they're 21 because somebody's looking at these 16 I see people 25 not have a clue to right right consequences of their actions Sure, sure, but but I think My theory is that we get better at that over time understanding the repercussions to the future and it's barely started at 13 It's not matured at all at 17 so You know, it depends, you know, like, you know, I You know, when I was a when I was a junior high my sister and I were We're left to live by herself for like eight months Bepaid bills we ate I cooked We're We're we're we're at mom and dad go Oh, my dad was running a restaurant in a different city. He would come on the weekend He would visit he would visit us on the weekends, but like You weren't abandoned. They were just like you're gonna be we're not abandoned, but I you know, we managed everything You know, the you know the maturity is not always tied to a chronological age I agree But you know with but again, you know with the whole 13 thing I think they are intentionally targeting an audience they know will not have The experience or or the the wherewithal to understand exactly what they're signing up for Right, and that's why we have that's what we used to have laws against advertising to children for certain things sure it's uh I don't know. I think I think facebook is is It appeared where they really need to understand that they need to clean like Clean the executive board And like start fresh because the the people that get you in this mess aren't the people they're going to get you out of it So I heard on some show they were talking about Uh, the expectation that they're going to get rid of uh, Cheryl sandberg I think she's the root of all legal. No, I see this is the thing I think I don't think she's the root of all legal She's becoming a figurehead for things that are going wrong with the company. That's my opinion But yeah, I mean, I don't think she I don't think you you got rid of her the problems magically go away I just think she is part of a group of people that need to go Yeah Including including the founder. I mean, I don't think he needs I don't I don't honest This is the thing I've I've I've learned by just you know talking to a bunch of execs, but also entrepreneurs is like there's a point where an entrepreneur becomes An impediment to a business rather than an asset, right because an entrepreneur is very good at doing one thing growing a business But you need someone who needs to be able to steer the ship Without inclining with other ships or the rocks, you know as it moves through a business I mean, it's like any other life cycle You know, you have a person that can manage the beginning stage, but you also need somebody who can manage the middle stage so to speak I think that's a good point and I think a lot of founders who yeah are smart capable The build, you know, something revolutionary facebook Absolutely in that camp It's a very different product than whatever mark zuckerberg set out to do back in the day He couldn't even have possibly known what it would become And imagine how many things might be handled differently by another person I'm not saying handle better Because I think that Yeah, like imagine imagine taking over facebook I ain't like I don't know how to do that I mean, it's not a did quite a job on microsoft, right? It can be done Sure, but facebook is a social network. I mean, it's it's it's that's a different that's a different situation Well, you know Windows machines is an interesting comparator because When it came out of the scene software as it was known wasn't this huge conglomerate business that it is today It was a bunch of guys who made software or it was the guy who sold you your computer, right IBM Cranked on software they licensed stuff like lotus one two three And sold it to a bunch of businesses But it wasn't like this huge billion dollar business that people associated with it today And it was started out by a bunch of snot nose kids who dropped out of college and stuff But I think there's a generational difference between like bill gates And and and a mark zuckerberg and I think at some point, you know, there might there will be they will need to go through this huge kind of existential You know, like look in the mirror to the side like where they want to be and what they want to do Yeah, and at that point you could then mature enough you'll be mature enough to say hey, we do need a such Uh a such a talent to to to get us You know in a new space rather than trying to fight the old battles and try to accomplish the stuff that we've been Think we've been accomplishing I don't know I know it's like once you get started on these topics you're like well, I Yeah, the solution is very very complex How's Otis? 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Bernard plus When I was five years old my dad Stopped the car on the way to back from church because this guy was building a boat in his front yard And he wanted to see this boat And so I'm walked along hand in hand with my dad and a newfoundland charged us And the newfoundland guy, I mean, he was like, I don't know a foot taller than I was At the head and my father just picked me up by by the scruff on my neck and lifted me up as the dog ran by Always remember that dogs. Nothing else we need to stop is the live stream to youtube and say goodbye to everyone and then Has to join us tomorrow. Uh, but for everyone else who's listening on the audio stream patreon supporters, uh, stay tuned


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Have questions about church transitions? You are in the right place. This transition talk is for you. Transitions are painful. Transitions are stressful.  But so is life. Churches also experience transitions. There are beginnings. There are leadership changes. There are times of celebration and people come and people go. There are seasons of loss. Demographics change. As churches change, there's also a change in leadership. During transition, that leadership change could be intentional interim ministry or designated term ministry. Both provide pastoral leadership during times of transition. Let's examine some of the situations where interim ministry might be a good fit. You might want to consider interim ministry if your church is involved in or going through conflict. An interim might be a good option if there's been tension between the pastor and the congregation. Or perhaps you need someone to help plan for the future by helping with the re-examination of your mission and vision. This can also be a time to review your church history and church structure. Your interim serves as a resource to walk you through the search process. Let's spend some time hearing from the Reverend Brenda Pells-Fazia, an intentional interim minister at the Connecticut Conference. My name is Brenda Pells-Fazia. I have been in ordained ministry in the Connecticut Conference for more than three decades. 22 of those years, 422 of those years, I have been serving as an intentional interim pastor and currently the interim pastor at the First Congregational Church in Canton Center. When we talk about intentional interim ministry, really we're looking at what we mean by intentional. Interim simply means time that elapses between one point and another point. That time is going to elapse anyway. The question is what kind of intentionality can we bring to it? So an intentional interim minister comes to be a pastoral resource and leader with the congregation to do two things, really. One is to provide all of the regular pastoral ministry, worship, education, pastoral care, fellowship, outreach, service, all of those things. And in addition to that, to bring a guided leadership for this process of discernment and discovery that we want to help congregations make when they are about to launch their next pastoral search and make that very important next big decision for their church. An interim pastor will not have anything to do with the selection of candidates, won't read candidate profiles, of course, but can be a leadership resource to the search committee for the many kinds of questions about process that come up weekly as that work goes on. And really helping that search committee to keep its work close to what has emerged from the congregational interim process that has to do with that church's vision and identity and energy and sense of moving forward. I think there are a few misperceptions that, certainly, I've run into out there in these many years of interim ministry. One of them is that the interim time is, as I heard a person put it once, dead in the water time. We just wait. Nothing happens. We lose momentum. We're just kind of waiting, and we can't do anything significant. That's a misperception because nothing about the regular ongoing life of the church stops during that period. It goes on, and we simply add to it a process of intentional discernment. I think one of the other misperceptions is that somehow an interim pastor is not a real pastor. That while you have an interim pastor, you don't have a pastor. That, of course, is not true. Your interim pastor is your pastor while he or she is there. I think the third one that I've run into is a misperception that having an intentional interim ministry will mean that the search process will take very much longer than it otherwise might take. In our United Church of Christ certain call process, there is no hasty way to do it. A number of months are going to elapse no matter what. So it's not that we're going to make the process any longer necessarily, but we're going to bring to it a kind of consciousness and awareness that we might not have unless we are doing that intentionally. If I were asked to give advice to a congregation that's considering intentional interim ministry I would say, don't fear the process or the length of time that it takes because both of those things can only help. You're about to make the next big decision for your church, one that will have effects for many years to come. So use every resource that you have available to you for a creative, fertile, vital, transitional time. Designated term ministry is another option, especially if you're considering church revitalization, a merger, redevelopment, or even a new church start. Also if you're in the hospice or legacy phase, let's hear from the Reverend Dr. Damaris Whitaker who has served as a designated pastor in the Connecticut Conference. My name is Damaris Whitaker and I serve as the senior minister of Center Church, the First Church of Christ in Harvard. I have been in the Connecticut Conference for about nine years now. I define designated term ministry as a minister, a senior minister who just has a contract for a certain amount of years. A designated term minister can address various needs. One of them is transitional need. It could also address needs in terms of healing, reconciliation, reconstruction of staff needs and pretty much bringing and bridging the congregation together. Being an interim, I can assume that you're focused internally and you need to get some tasks done in a very restrictive amount of time. Being a designated term minister allows you to do what needs to be done without feeling that constraint because at the end of your time with the church you can be called as a settlement minister. Your term may be renewed for another three or five years depending on what the agreement was with the congregation or you may decide our time together has come to an end and that could be the end of your term with the church. Center Church is a very old congregation. It's a historic congregation of 383 years and at the time of my arrival it had gone through a series of changes in leadership. Some of them occurred very abruptly. So going into a traditional search for Center Church was not viable at the time. So the designated term minister gave Center Church an opportunity to work with a minister who was there to do the work that was in front of them and in this case it was me and also an opportunity to assess if this person was the person who they wanted to call as a settlement minister. So one of the first things that we did was dealt with faith formation and we really revitalized faith formation from the ground up. We scrapped the old and began anew and so there was the engagement of consultants a hiring of new staff and after a year faith formation was indeed revitalized and renewed and for the first time in a long time we're going to have a healthy youth group. Worship. Worship has taken a different form. We've experimented with different music. We've brought in steel bands and jazz bands and it's been quite an adventure in trying to revitalize worship and so these are just two of some of the internal things that we've done and there's many others but also in terms of our relationship with partners in this city we have actually branched out quite a bit because we feel that we serve the city but we cannot do it alone. We believe in the concept of interdependence that we have been adopting here at the conference and we have created new partnerships that allow us to help more people. When we serve a place like center church a minister needs to recognize that you're not only serving the people that come through your doors on Sunday but that the church is the city or your city is the church however you want to say it for me as a designated term minister I never felt the constraint of time I always saw the urgency of the things that needed to be done and I went to do them. So why all the labels? In short two things each pastoral designation identifies the specific needs of the congregation and different contract terms but there is good news you are not in this alone the Connecticut conference is here to help you to find the best pastoral leadership for your faith community you are not in this alone your regional minister is your primary resource and traveling this terrain. We hope these insights were helpful thank you for spending time with us blessings on behalf of the Reverend Kent Solati and your Connecticut conference staff it is our prayer that whatever transitions you are going through will lead you to renewed places we pray your time of transition will lead you toward transformation and that transformation will equip your congregation to make an impact in your community. For more information contact your regional minister and other online resources on transitions in congregational life search process timeline and pastoral designations and vocabulary PDF


Yeah, why have they been ripping off Medicare the the medical profession has been ripping off Medicare Yeah They're getting away. They got away with it for a long time. I've got to run. I hope you don't mind That's quite all right, and I'm happy that we've had you a tad bit longer So we won't try our best to help each other. So and and and this is why I Well, this is why Bill this is why I don't like to I don't like to be censored when I do a show because sometimes you Gotta get tough and you got to break a few eggs to make an omelet. Sometimes you have to do it I know you'll have a nice. Yes Okay, and and I guess I'll see you soon when you get back up back home to the main office in New Jersey Yes, yes Okay, all right, bye-bye everybody take care now you take care bye Okay, I'd like to add something to that conversation. Yes As long as you keep putting the money up in the economy There is less down. 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Yeah, it should be easy to have that They should be listed when you open up, you know Yeah Like I'm fire firefrogs the little blue thing you click on a little blue thing and it gives you all your recent You know bookmarks And you can click on whatever one you want, but I can't I can't seem to get my all my bookmarks in chrome Well, I just want to say before though. They've been imported from Firefox. Yeah I Would just want to say like we're progressive liberal but myself and The Reverend Dr. Bill do not always agree on everything like for instance I'm pro-death penalty.  I'm not I don't I don't feel that I'm willing to give special treatment to any one group That's sort of though contradicts Your other statements here about why about a mind is a terrible thing to waste Everyone should be entitled To a good. Oh, yeah. Yes. See now. I'm talking about hiring quotas Whatever hiring in other words. I'm turned I have a better resume, but I get turned down For somebody else because of who they are as a human being like you may get turned down in that car not based on What about another what's that like You know you apply to several colleges you wait for one, too, you know Well, you're talking about education. I'm talking about hiring because if you're not gonna have affirmative action Then how are all these minds going to get a good education? You're talking about a day when people were Were nine times out of ten were not hired Yeah, or were refused Wax door in the 60s.  I'll go cross the tracks there and yeah And and if they and if they had to pay out of pocket for an education like the kids do now.  It's all because what is happening is you're don't forget They just raised the interest rate the banks just raised the interest rates number one Few years ago banks were not involved in student loans They were from the government. Yeah, okay, of course the Politicians they gave it over to the banks, right the banks would charge us something like three or something percent now It's up to six something percent here again is a siphoning of money upward No trickled down. That's all fake that that that that was never meant to work. They trickled down economics.  Especially if they owe $90,000 or more And that's what it's all and there are people that owe more and that's what it's all about student loans cannot be Written off in a bankruptcy Really that's so The actually deliberately made that actually the person the the person who shall remain nameless Runk rung up a $90,000 student loan bill because of the lovely local New Jersey College that we have called the Fairly Dickinson University Or fair fairly ridiculous University Fairly Dickinson University Because you know they were located in Bergen County. I think T. Nick brother for brother for brother for and yeah, I think they have Two campuses.  Who has no way of paying it back and they want interest too on top of it?  I mean I had a sicko font Very recently to get all upset because I was telling the truth about the Catholic Church and I've mentioned Colleges ripping off students and that up They don't want to be controversial at all. They want to be liked and accepted by everyone. Oh I don't want to be I don't want to be black bull. I don't want to give my my true opinion I said listen the Catholic Church is guilty of many Bad things throughout history 15 million people throughout history.  Why don't they feed the children? Well, that would be a real Christian thing to do and they are not Christians, right? So, of course the sick the sicko font that oh is $90,000 said Oh, he's well bent out of shape like was I was talking against the Catholic Church which Most likely his family are Catholic. Hey, I was born Roman Catholic, but I'm gonna tell the truth I'm not going to be a sicko font and and have my nose up the Catholic Church's But and agree with everything they they say and do the Catholic Church With the help of emperor Constantine Actually changed They had the gall and the nerve To change God's seventh day Sabbath to the first That was the first big Sin right first big sin walk for the Catholic Church. Are you kidding me? Changing the Sabbath that that was just full of the sins Yeah organized religion, of course, then they came in with the pagan holidays of east that and christ mesonist Sad the other thing. Well, that's I don't want to be judy eyes. We don't have to obey the law today The law was done away with like jesus on the stake The cross so called See that's what they come up with all this stuff stuff has nothing to do with christianity nothing Roman Catholic Church, they're not vicar's of Christ are representatives of the bible at all not at all Not at all. They are the devils church Well, doesn't when satan comes as an angel of light don't don't doesn't he often come as an evangelist or a pastor Or a church come with anything that you know, you perceive as being moral and etc, you know, um, oh That was so funny when we were discussing, uh, joe olsd Joel olstein giving pep talks to the guy See that youtube was at the grand canyon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was it made me sick Oh, jesus, please can you calm this wind? Can you calm this wind views? Well, these are these are evangelicals that feel you can have a conversation with god and and he you know Well, you know joe olstein. He said it in his book. He god give them the best parking spaces. Yeah, you know Come on man And now now all these so-called born-againers claim that they they can talk to god anytime they want And what you always told me is He's not God has not called them He's not he has not called them Okay, they can say anything they want They are not called And you cannot come to god unless you are called Yeah, so they don't hear you. He's not hearing you only the elect 144,000 elect Is is hearing you well, they're dead Oh, you mean the elect well, maybe not all because a few of them are being uh, you know Taught now Yeah, but you got to be really you got to be really heavy-duty special to be part of the 144,000 Correct, and I don't know too many people that's special to today except for like mother delay mother Teresa Mother Teresa was not a christian No, you're mixing up being good The being a christian and and church and all this stuff like that Like that indian gentleman that goes around feeding the poor in india and use them haircuts and shaves them. All right You still see that atheist An atheist can be a moral Oh God's forbid An atheist can be moral Yes, he can See they have nothing to do with each other. Okay, you can be good You can be good and moral But you may not be of god Other way in other words, uh Well a person can be A very nice kind decent person and be a A buddhist Or a hindu confusion. Yeah, or that. Yeah, they you know anything.  Yeah Oh, but but these these right wing evangelicals are going to get sucked up and raptured up in the sky and saved From the tribulation according to them. Sorry Only 144,000 Will be sucked up into the sky Are destined to be saved from the from the tribulation the 144,000 elect. I believe it's two Corinthians 15 The resurrection chapter Read it all And the part that says that also proves that you can't just talk to god is that uh um, uh He he like something about you cannot come to me except Through jesus Through jesus and you have to be called. You have to be called. Yeah Be called. You can't you can't go to him. Yeah Oh god, god, god, god pray pray pray pray please calm this wind Calm this wind calm this wind.  Give me a break Mm-hmm the almighty has nothing and I repeat nothing better to do The problem is they don't understand That it's not a matter of what god can do for you It's what you can do for him He's looking for people To do certain jobs Who are getting the training education and etc that he will need In the millennium To rule and to guide and to teach and to put the earth In better shape because when he comes back The earth will be in some bad shape with world war three going on Billions of people being dead That doesn't sound like a huge rapture to me No What about when the evangelicals Call from the bible that you you can turn your life over to god for all of your needs if you are called Absolutely If you were called Initially When whatever but but there are called there are people to do that because they'll hear you There are people that will perish that will have their time later on Everyone will have their time later on later on. Yeah. Yeah a great white throne judgment Yeah, because because I mean look It's a bizarro world. We're living in the wicked Are are in charge looked upon they're in charge and they're looked upon as being good selfishness is now a virtue Greed is good greed is now good So It's obvious. We're in the end times. It's obvious You know and uh Well, it's obvious if you If you believe the bible and you actually understand it Then you understand you're in the end times But if you're not if you don't do any of those things you don't understand you're in the end times Yeah, you're well, if if a if a democrat any other time if a democrat that pretends to feel your pain sells you out That's that's prophesized, uh, you know in the end times that that everybody Who's running the world in the country is corrupt And without natural affection without natural affection to timothy. I mean the proof is right there How people will become in the end times.   I mean it will come it will become true No, he really said that buddy. Yeah, well, he's well it will be because there will be no food There'll be no food. Yeah there was going to be a time when the the holy roman empire of course is in you know Being at war and being in charge and et cetera and against the modern day descendants of ancient israel and Be sieging them at all their gates and et cetera and there will be no food for us for us And then when we are weakened and they take over us a we're they're led off to become captives and slaves That's the future For the modern day descendants of ancient israel. Yeah, which uh, the united states and great britain are The modern day descendants of ifram and menasas, right? menasas menasas Okay, but there are other modern day descendants of the other and you know the other tribes. Yeah such as the scandinavian countries and Ireland scuttling You know, yeah, well, I like I like the modern day descendants that went to Ireland and scotland because they they make Damn good whiskey and ale Oh my god and stout, but anyway We have time for one one Oh god. All right. All right. Uh, maybe maybe two All right, I don't know if this is One of two is applicable here Let's see what we got. Find find something juicy Something uh since since we covered a lot of important subjects in banter every taxpayer ought to be outraged at the privatization of the state lottery system One partner of one of the businesses now running the lottery was identified As the ontario employees retirement system What about new jersey's employee retirement system? Every resident should be outraged at millions to billions of dollars over the next 15 years We'll leave new jersey And help support a retirement system in ontario State residents reach into their pockets spend their volunteer tax dollars in the lottery system to help new jersey with the hope of winning money The lottery system was legalized to help education in prisons Why wasn't the state pension system encouraged to bid on this asset? One company bid and received this financial windfall To help the handicapped people too, right the lottery was supposed to help people on fixed incomes Why wasn't there? Well, so was the homestead rebate And and the casino gambling in Atlantic city Which uh, mr. Christie Is spending 12 million dollars on his special election in october Not the when that 12 million dollars could have reinstated the homestead rebate for the elderly and the disabled Yeah, well, he also gave a lot of Subsidies to his rich buddies right here Isn't that par for the course tremendous amount of money But he has no money to keep the food pantries or Planned Parenthood open But he's got money to give to his rich friends Why wasn't there a vigorous debate or ballot question on this issue? Governor christy needed the 120 million dollars upfront money From north star g-tech to balance his budget. Okay Speaking of the property tax bill a bill that will help towns offset the property tax loss When a large company relocates One final legislative approval by the senate on thursday And will now go to governor christy's desk A corporate divestment Disinvestment, excuse me property tax relief act Was approved 23 to 15 By the senate the bill Was prompted by The drug giant Huffman Huffman the Roche their decision to end Its 80 plus year presence in nutley and clifton Yeah, let me guess they want to outsource that location Somewhere cheap A move That costs new jersey nearly 1,000 full-time jobs 1,000 part-time or contract positions Roche also pays about 14 million dollars in property taxes Ah to add further to the new jersey unemployment numbers This can happen anywhere assemblywoman connie wagner democrat of premise Wanted a bill sponsors said in a statement This could happen anywhere if a major property taxpayer decides to leave for whatever reason Then residents will be penalized Through no fault of their own sure why why doesn't the rich be penalized and Make them pay the taxes We need to do more to make sure the taxpayers are protected Under the measure Municipalities that face a significant drop In their property tax base because Of a major business closure or relocation would be eligible For special short-term property tax relief aid To help compensate For the loss of revenue protecting taxpayers in cases like this is a great Thing to do Not lay is struggling with this now But it can happen any place anytime Yeah, well You know more example of the power of the big corporation Well, uh, the little guy when um Senator uh, it's a John Kerry, right of uh, um, uh, Massachusetts When he uh was running


So let's take a look at an example of a division. So for example, we might take a look at 4, 2, 3, base 5, divided by 3, 2, base 5. And so it's important to remember there are two ways of interpreting a division. Either we can view this division partatively, where we're going to take 4, 2, 3, base 5 objects, and distribute them equally among 3, 2, base 5 recipients. Well, this may be a little bit hard to envision. If we can't visualize how many 3, 2, base 5 is, it's hard to do the division this way. And we'll see that in general, partitive division is difficult to envision. Or we could look at this quotient as a quotitive division. We're going to take 4, 2, 3, base 5 objects, and we're going to form sets of 3, 2, base 5 objects. And this is much easier to do because I can see what a 3, 2, base 5 object looks like. It's three things and two things. So we'll use this approach. So let's take a look at our quotient. This is going to be 4, 2, 3, base 5, divided by 3, 2, base 5. And again, here's why it's important to read this number as 4, 2, 3, base 5, and not as 4, 2, 3, base 5, because what it tells us is that we have four big things, 2, medium, and 3, small. And from this, we want to form sets of 3, 2, base 5. And that's 3, medium, 2, small. And so now we know how much should go in each bag. Let's start bagging. So we'll bring in a bag. And the first thing we notice is that while we need to put 3, medium, and 2, small into this bag, we don't actually have 3, medium to put in. That's OK, because we're working in base 5, we can break this big thing into 5, medium things. And once I do that, I now have 3, medium, and 2, small. So I'll put them into this bag, and I'll set the bag aside. I'll bring in another bag, break up another one of these big things. And while I have plenty of mediums, I don't have enough smalls. But again, that's OK because I'm working in base 5. I can take any object and break it into 5 smaller objects. And in this particular case, I want to take one of these medium things and break it into 5 small things. So I'll do that, and then fill my bag with 3, medium, 2, small, set it aside, bring in another bag, fill it, set it aside, bring in another bag. And again, we don't have enough medium things, so we'll break up a big thing into 5, medium, and fill the next bag, bring in another bag. And again, now we don't have enough small things, so we'll take a medium thing and break it into 5 small things. And then that allows us to fill the next bag, another bag. And we don't have enough medium things, so we'll take the big thing and break it into 5, medium, and then fill this bag. And at this point, notice we only have two medium things and one small thing left. We can't fill any more bags. So in this division, our quotient is the number of bags. And to write down this value, let's go ahead and set down one mark for each bag that we have. So we'll mark this one, this one, this one, this one, this one, and this one. And remember, we're working in base 5, so we can bundle 5 of these objects and trade for 1 of the medium-sized objects. So our quotient then is going to be 1 medium, 1 small. And we have remainder, 2 medium, 1 small. And again, we can write this in base 5 notation by dropping the unit symbols and explicitly indicating the base. And that gives us our quotient for 2, 3, base 5 divided by 3, 2, base 5 is 1, 1, base 5, with remainder, 2, 1, base 5. So let's take a look at the division, 2, 0, 3, base 5 divided by 3. And again, we can view division in two ways. We can view this as a partative division, where we take a set of 2, 0, 3, base 5 objects. That's 2 of something, 0 of something, 3 of something. And we distribute it equally among three recipients. Well, actually, I can visualize what that looks like. So let's go ahead and do this as a partative division. So again, we'll set down our dividend. That's 2 of something, 0 of something, and 3 of something. And we'll set down boxes for our three recipients. Now, the first thing we might notice is that we actually have three of these small boxes. So let's go ahead and give one of those small boxes to everybody. And now we have two of the large squares, but we have three recipients. So we can't give one square to two of the recipients and not give something to the third person. So the only way we can proceed at this point is we have to break up some of these large squares. And since we're working base 5, then every large square can be broken up into five smaller boxes. So here, I'll take this big square, I'll split it, I'll break it apart into five pieces, I'll take the other one, also break it apart into five pieces. And now I can give everybody one of the blocks. And I still have blocks left over, so I'll give everybody another one of the blocks. And there's still enough blocks left over, so I'll give everybody a third block. And now I only have one block left, but I can break this up again. And again, because we're working in base 5, I can break this block up into five smaller pieces, so I'll break it apart. And I'll distribute an additional small cube to everybody. And now I just have two of these little cubes left over. And because these are the smallest unit, I can't break them apart further. Or can I? We'll talk about that a little bit later on. For now, we can't break it apart any further. And so our quotient is, how much did everybody get? Well, everybody got three blocks and two small cubes. So the quotient is 3-2, base 5, with remainder, 2.


Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. It's a real pleasure to be here at the IWA Development Congress, two years in the planning, despite some of the challenges we are here in Colombo. So welcome to this second keynote address for the day. The title of today's session is Resource Recovery and Reuse, Business Models. My name is Hamant Kassan. I come from South Africa from a water utility called Rainwater. I also serve on the board of the International Water Association and the African Water Association. I'd like to introduce you to your keynote speaker today. His name is Pay Drishal. He holds a PhD in Environmental Sciences and is a principal researcher and research program leader at the International Water Maritime Institute, commonly known as INI, headquartered in Colombo here in Sri Lanka. He has over 25 years worth of professional experience. I can assure you when I introduce you to your panel later that the combined experience of your panel is nothing less than some 100 years. But you will notice that as I introduce each one of them. So we have almost three decades of experience from Pay. He's been working extensively in the rural urban interface of developing countries, coordinating projects and programs on the safe recovery of water, nutrients and organic matter from domestic waste streams with a special interest in safe wastewater irrigation, urban and peri-urban agriculture and the cutting edge of applied interdisciplinary research on business solutions. Pay supervised a large number of graduate and postgraduate students, served on a range of different technical and scientific advisory committees, contributed to successful proposal of over 50 million US dollars, I might say, and leads currently a program with an annual budget of 3 million US dollars. He has authored over 350 publications, half in a year, reviewed books and journals, and has worked extensively in West and East Africa and Southeast Asia. For those of you that were here yesterday evening for the award ceremony, I should mention that your keynote speaker today was the recipient of the research award of this very same congress in Jordan four years ago. I'd like to welcome this esteemed speaker to allow him to provide us with a fascinating presentation. Please welcome him in the IWA way. Thank you. So I hope this works. The technique. Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Thanks to the International Water Association for inviting me here. It was a lot of credit which I just got and thanks a lot for this. This one that I don't want to accept and that's the credit for this long title there. I have no idea who actually puts this title together. Twice the same word rural and actually had to google the title. I googled removed business models that means working from home. Actually, it's what I would like to do now. But apparently I'm here at the very wrong place for realizing this. Anyway, then I thought probably at IWA there was a task force under the leadership of Carla Sinken very long what kind of title could we give this guy and I want to respect this. So I just accept the title done. Done here. And actually I'm accepting it also because it's so typical for what we call resource recovery and reuse. Because for all of those who work on resource recovery and reuse, we quickly realize these are two different types of shoes. There's the resource recovery part. Many of us feel very comfortable with this. Then there's the reuse part. The reuse part that's what where the challenge starts. The reuse part is the one which asks us to link sectors to bring the management of sanitation together. For instance, this agricultural sector. That's not actually our shoe, this agricultural sector. And it's asking us to cross administrative boundaries to go out into a rural area where we are the urban sanitation scientists. And most of all challenging our disciplinary comfort zone because let me just give you an example here from Sri Lanka. So Sri Lanka government invested heavily in compost stations. So we have more than 100 compost stations in Sri Lanka. Probably could be very champion in composting municipal toilet waste. And these stations are working very well. So they're producing a lot of compost but unfortunately the capacity to understand the agricultural sector, to understand the demand. What kind of quality? When? How much? This type of marketing which is needed. The business thinking behind this is missing. So there's a lot of production. Very little which is actually sold. That is this moving out of our comfort zone. That is what makes the source recovery and reuse very interesting. And that's what we tried in our team at the International Water Management Institute breaking boundaries building bridges between the sectors between the disciplines. And building bridges is also what is needed. If you want to tackle the big water challenges our cities are facing urban water demand increased by 80% till 2050. You see on the slide all the different sectors which will lead to water, the energy sector, industrial sector of course urban water supply and sanitation. There's a city coming. This of course shows us that it's a crisis is tackled just by informal markets. There will be a lot of conflict and we have to void these conflicts and we have to move over to something which is a planned approach. So nothing gets in the business model. There's an urban area which has the water demand and there's a rural area which is the area which is provided with the water. In an ideal world it would be all very easy. The rural farmers can spare some of the water and it's not much. So they give maybe 10% to the city for the city 10% of what the rural farmers have is quite a lot. This would be a fantastic but unfortunately usually both sectors are struggling and it's not so easy. About 40% of the largest cities will never go to water deficit because they are competing with crop irrigation and now the good news the 10% improvement in the irrigation efficiency could actually solve this crisis for approximately 80% of those cities which are in a high conflict zone. In high conflict water sets. So increasing water use efficiency and this can be of better crop varieties. This can be better irrigation systems. This can be just as you know when to apply the water at the right time and at the right space. Such improvements of stopping leakages can help the cities to overcome the water crisis. That's quite an interesting message because as a city we don't think about what can we do in investing in the city but maybe the call is to invest in the rural area to invest and help agriculture to become more efficient and then we can already address some of these problems. Actually the same was done in Cape Town. So in Cape Town lots of farmers observed the situation. They knew that water's coming to an end so they planned already. They put a lot behind the dams and then they were approaching D0. They released some 10 million cubic meters of water from the city but that was the one off that they made a contract. The colleague of mine, Winston Yew helped to make a very comprehensive, very interesting rescue of hundreds of such projects where water is reallocated from rural areas to urban areas. And as you see the literature only peaked in the last years. One of the interesting findings was that when you look at the attributions of this reallocation there's very often very limited information available like conflict resolution. Conflict resolution when the donor area might say, sorry, you're taking too much or increasingly what do we do if you just take the water and they need the water from this water we're replacing it. In general what kind of compensation schemes are there so that these contracts can work. It's a very interesting graph here and it's even more important because in 20% of these high conflict basis in 10% improvement of irrigation water efficiency will not help. So we have to look for other needs. We have to look for these unination. We have to look for whatever is possible. One interesting part and I'm coming now back to the resource recovery in rural is the water swap. It's a swap between fresh water and wastewater. And this might look very theoretical. So there's a city producing a lot of wastewater that's making it available after a very nice treatment to the farmers and the farmers are making available fresh water. Looks theoretical, though it exists in many cases. Like for instance, take Mashat, Mashat Iran many, many visitors. There's a city permanently in a border crisis. So when you go to Iran, every second hotel is in Mashat. So many visitors it's a very important religious city. And in Mashat in 2006 the farmers started to release annually about 21 million cubic meter fresh water from two dams. In exchange they got from the city 25 million cubic meter of treated wastewater. So there were fixed contracts between the Regional Water Association and the farmer groups about the right soil. And in addition they discussed if they also can take the ground for the rights of the farmers. The challenge here of this continuous exchange the farmers handed over the water rights and received the wastewater. So the farmers didn't get the wastewater quality they were expecting. When they signed the contract they were told the waters are very good quality. But then the treated wastewater was mixed again with other surface water and other wastewater which was untreated and farmers never took it. There was also no training provided for farmers to deal with the water of their own quality. So this shows their options for their challenges. Batsilona, another very interesting place. Batsilona was in 2007-2008 a very long draw. It was a draw from which the city paid dearly. The reason that in economic loss of 1.6 billion they were not prepared. But of course after this they started sinking and they invested in long distance water transfer. They invested in salt removal. They invested in the water supply. So they are providing they upgraded their treatment facilities and they can provide now farmers 20 million cubic meters of high quality salt free treated wastewater in case of the lasting drought. So here is not a continuous exchange but an exchange on demand. As long as there is enough water the farmers don't want to give the water away. As long as there is enough water the city doesn't need it. But in case of the drought they can go and they can make a stop with the farmers. It's very interesting when we look normally these photos which we see a lot they represent the face of the zero but the numbers behind that's in the economy and these water stress large cities they represent 4.3 trillion of dollars in economic activity. Sometimes these investments in climate change adaptations they might not cost. In Spain for instance operation maintenance costs of this extra treatment facilities that are 3 to 5 million per year. So in order to say hey you don't stop any water but still you pay after a million. This doesn't look good it looks good. They come from one big fraud again and this investment, this insurance, this investment will show that it worked out. Mexico City very high altitude. It's not a water swap Mexico City like other cities say why should I actually stop water if I can use my own water. We are using just our own wastewater and I don't want to bring you those examples which everyone knows from Singapore or Namibia. So Mexico City excessively replenished the aquifer in the Tula valley and Skita valley. This is wastewater. The aquifer is boosting fully and the quality was not bad. So the plans are to recover from the aquifer approximately 160 to 190 million cubic meters because as our alternatives are increasingly available. There are many more projects which are trying from far away to get water to Mexico City but it's not a distance it's the attitude. Pumping up that's a contract and getting it from the Tula valley is quite a cheaper option and Mexico City is its own downstream user and it's not only that the city is using its own downstream water once this has been realized it's also that the 90,000 hectare of wastewater irrigation which also producing for the city. So there are many different groups and Mexico has certainly a very interesting situation in terms of managing the risk. Last example is the Manchan Bangalore. Another city which becomes its own downstream user. So Bangalore is the city of all the beautiful lakes. Now the city of all the polluted lakes. Now the city of the gondol lakes becomes a bit difficult. The Bangalore started directing. It's treated wastewater to drive up a lot of tanks and vicinity to look at the rest. People are very happy but of course they came up to the private tankers and again brought it back to Bangalore. An extension to 38 lakes has been discussed but provide Bangalore with 180 million litres per day extra water. So the city again becoming its own downstream user of source recovery. Of course controlling the informal water market controlling water quality is like an already situation very, very important. And I think the slide speaks for itself. You don't know what you get and from where they still get the water and find the water. Conclusions. Improvements in active water use, efficiency can sometimes be a really something you should look at. And if you need an institute which understands irritation and irritation active water use, efficiency, the international water management institute might be as address for you to go. The source recovery via the freshwater wastewater stop offers more options which can help both sectors. This in its concept however can strongly on the incentives which can be provided to the farmer because they have to give the water rights to the city. The range and how much and the ability of the city to provide high quality water. The success of such a stop can of course be jeopardized by negative perceptions and their contractual responsibility for uncontrolled informal water markets. The challenge for understanding these water stops reallocation for a scientist is still if they are very limited data available the cost of impact the performance of this stop. I'd like to say first of all Microleap Miriam was in the core team helped us to provide for instance this book which I'm showing here with the free online and if you need any copies just pick from your cart here I'll send some copies to our and I'd like to say IWA I'd like to say those papers of which I was trying some of the paper data thank you very much. Indeed for that inspiring presentation quickly sharing some amazing case studies from across the world. I'd like to now move on to introduce you to each of our panel members that come from different parts of the world. The first gentleman is Mr. Jay Bagwan he is from South Africa. He is the executive manager of the main area of water use and waste management of the South African Water Research Commission which focuses on the management of water and wastewater in domestic mining and industrial sector. He now the host of the president of the Water Institute of Southern Africa, chairperson of the Minister of Water Affairs and Forestry Water Advisory Committee as well as the International Advisory Positions with the water supply Association Collaborative Council, the IWA Global Development Agency and UNEP. He continues to be actively involved in a broad range of areas in the field of water supply wastewater and sanitation with current focus being on sanitation technologies for the future. Technology innovation and application, social franchising of operations and maintenance conduit, hydropower, benchmarking and reclamation of pathways. He's been instrumental in contributing to the development of the IWA. He's also currently the chair of the newly established IWA Specialist Group on non-sweat sanitation. Welcome Mr. Jay Bagwan. We are looking forward to your participation and your wisdom on this panel. The next person I'd like to introduce is a lady. We are also very gender sensitive in this association. So I'd like to introduce Mona who currently heads the faculty of planning at CBT University in India and is principal investigator for foot for purpose integrative water use project between India and the Netherlands as a team member of the Center for Water and Sanitation at CBT University. She has an access of two decades of experience in teaching, research, training and consulting in water. Sanitation and waste planning for sectors was focused on policy initiatives, urban planning and project development mainly in Asia and the Pacific. Welcome Mona. Please join the panel. We have South Africa, we have India, we have Colombo and we will move on further to our next lady Jennifer Williams is the Executive Director of the newly formed People's Sludge Management Alliance. The mission of the People's Sludge Management Alliance is to provide safely managed sanitation primarily through FSM with focus on reuse and recovery. Prior to this role she spent seven years at the Will and Militia Foundation working on the water sanitation and hygiene team in various capacities. Jennifer's background is Political Science and Sociology. Welcome Jennifer. We are looking forward to your contribution. The last member of our panel is Dr. Vera who is currently serving as a project director under the State Ministry of Water Supply Facilities to put up a state of the art advanced technological laboratory worth 15 million US dollars. He works very actively in the research fields and investigating groundwater pollution and developing treatment technologies. In addition he serves as the team leader of all the safety plan advisory unit under the purview of World Health Organization. He has secured over 50 journal and conference papers as well as received many many more movies. Welcome Dr. Vera. Now my esteemed ladies and gentlemen, you have heard the presentation and you have seen the case studies. May I perhaps present to you with two minutes each to comment and add further value or inform us of other case studies, etc. Please share your wisdom. I'll start with Mr. Jay Balwant. Let me share the context of that. 50 years ago we had demonstrated the humanity of beings and at that time the short side of this was that it was a very expensive exercise. If we had invested in that space today we would have been much well off around how we were managing the water in this current challenge around climate, drought, etc. So like my CEO always says that this is a manly problem. All the technology and the opportunities we have we've never been through any of these innovations at the time that we needed to do so. So we had an re-generating the value chain is where issues around acceptance, issues around tariffing, issues around management capacity and having the right skills to fill in that space. So if we're able to bring in the element of regeneration to resource and recovery right across all the sectors we're able to at this time in age leapfrog a lot of those opportunities that are sitting there from a technical perspective. Thank you very much. Mauna? Well I think I would like to share my experiences with India about India and wastewater reuse. Not particularly with reference to any case study but if I look at what Pei was discussing about the water swap, urban rural water swap and if we look at it from the perspective of resource recovery there are mainly two kinds of water swaps that we see in India. One is for the fresh water which is either purchased the surface fresh water which is purchased or the ground water through private water markets and when we look at that swap there is a business model there but in this conversation we are focusing more on the wastewater and if we look at the wastewater swap between the urban and the rural areas I would like to classify the cities in India into three categories and there are 10 million plus cities which are around 10 million cities, population cities which have a lot of wastewater reuse happening in their urban periphery for agriculture and which is largely informal. If we come to the cities which are second year fast growing secondary cities again there is wastewater reuse which is in the urban agriculture and informal. There are some examples of wastewater reuse for filling up the lakes or the water bodies as Pei was discussing with limited success and fewer business models for wastewater reuse in industrial sector, the urban wastewater reuse. So I think a bit of everything in terms of institutions, infrastructure and information would take us a long way. Thank you very much Mona Dr. Vera. Yes, so I mean when you get into Sri Lanka of course what we see actually the ministry, the water supply board, I'm from National Water Supply and Dinesh Board and we are struggling to get the real value of water in the country but because one way that we were blessing of 200,000 millimetre for NM rainfall which is fairly good enough for a country but nowadays Sri Lanka actually recently it was ranked as the second mostly pegged country from the world this climate change adverse impacts so now we are really really facing this stress situation so countries putting forward to put up this the value for all the products coming with this waterproof print because we need to get the real message of the value of the water because government has really given this water for a very low price so we are in average paying around 4 US dollars per month it's really really not enough to put up the sense of this water value. So that is what we are struggling so we are putting when you get into the western province we are right now we are here so the government wanted to put up this rainwater harvesting concepts as something mandatory for the policy level but still struggling when you are getting there in the ground level. So Sri Lanka of course we do not find sewer networks, the centralised system is almost less than 4% so the recovery level is something fairly very low here but definitely we need to address. When you come into the industry like hotelians and all so they have one side because they can't discharge their water they have to go with something advanced treatment so then they are in a stress of putting up advanced technologies like membrane technology probably with nano filtration to get something back into their systems. So we are putting up that concept in the isolated locations but not in the national level but definitely next decade is for this to get in the way of the triple R concepts of course. Thank you very much for sharing Jennifer. Yes as the introduction mentioned I am representing a new organization that is focusing specifically on vehicle sludge management so I am here to talk a little bit about sanitation. All of the other panelists mentioned a lot about water reuse and I think that as Pay mentioned in his keynote we really need to move people out of their comfort zone and if you think that's challenging in water think about how it is for human waste and so one of the core mission, one of our key principles for the epicenter alliance is really to shift people's thinking about treating human waste as a valued resource and something that can be valued and used and so that's one of the key things that we'll be advocating and focus on. There's a lot of emerging evidence and research coming out of all the different possible ways that you can use human waste as a resource. There's lots of nutrients to be recovered and there's also a lot of emerging technologies that are being developed that create value products from human waste so we look forward to sharing a lot of this information and entering that into the mainstream conversation as well. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for those comments, Pay and your presentation. All of the members of the panel, I'd like to thank you for coming out here from different parts of the world for sharing with the audience your expertise, your wisdom and I'd like to conclude on a note of a slight provocation for us. As I conclude this session one wonders whether the world is facing a water scarcity challenge. The world facing a scarcity of good water management approaches. I'll leave that thought with you. Thank you very much for your participation, your attendance and I trust you'll have a super evening.