Edman group. I'm your host and moderator Donovan sharp. We are presented by the 21 convention, which is now just two short months away Exactly 60 days away from today. The convention will be held in Orlando from October 24th through the 27th Anthony is celebrating his 31st birthday I believe this weekend and because of that tickets are on special for just 999 but only for the next 48 hours So if you want to attend this weekend is the best time to get your tickets at a huge discount again That is 999 for the next 48 hours only so we're gonna go ahead and open up the phone lines here Normally we do this about halfway through the show But we've got a special guess We're gonna open up the phone lines now if you guys want to get in on the show if you have a question comment Whatever<PHONE_NUMBER> if you're calling from outside the US it is 0 0 1<PHONE_NUMBER> Go ahead and we go ahead and start filling up the phone lines before we get started Let's go ahead and introduce today's panel first up is one of the most knowledgeable minds in the Manisphere doomsday Jesus Better known as DDJ. He is the author of the book of the feminist lie Make sure you subscribe to his YouTube channel Miss Andree today and his website Miss Andree today comm Next is a man who doesn't give a damn about red pill vernacular and gives it to you straight without any of the fancy language That is Steve the Dean Williams who runs the website the man mindset comm be sure to check out his weekly show right here on the Redman group channel called the red pill mindset that is every Monday evening. I believe it's seven Eastern Steve Yes, the clock Eastern excellent 80s 80s 8 Eastern 8 Eastern that's gonna be 8 o'clock Eastern by Pacific Also on the panel today is none other than CEO and founder of 21 studios and the 21 convention Anthony dream Johnson His websites are 21 studios comm the 21 convention dot org be sure to subscribe to this channel Which is the red man group as well as his channel 21 studios for extensive? Content videos and of course to sign up for 21 University I of course am Donovan sharp you guys can check me out at Donovan sharp comm and patreon at patreon comm slash Donovan sharp I'm on the air alive Mondays Wednesdays and Friday at noon Eastern and finally Making his first appearance on the red man group today is one of the most influential figures in political circles He wrote the book entitled the art of the argument He is also the host of the free domain radio podcast and he is now a confirmed speaker at the 21 convention in Orlando this October I of course am speaking of Stefan Malinu and Stefan before we get started here today is your very first appearance on red man group And you're gonna be speaking at the 21 down in Orlando in October talk to me about what went into your decision-making Process in terms of why you've come aboard to become a part of team 21 I think that men need to talk about men's issues Every other group in the known universe seems to have an inward-facing Bruce Lee Chamber of Mirrors Dragon style Conversation about what's important and men. Well, we're not supposed to talk to each other You see we're supposed to just stoically suck it up and do society's dirty work and protect the borders and clean the toilets And the sewers and so on so I like the idea really like the idea as I have for many years that men Can talk about issues and share wisdom, you know when you start getting into the hemisphere and you start to think about Yeah, you know divorce is really dangerous. Yeah, you know, there is a big suicide and addiction issue among men Yeah, men do a lot of dirty and dangerous jobs and you know 90 plus percent of workplace fatalities are men These are important things to talk about they're kind of held at bay By the mainstream media because we're just supposed to be worker ants or or worker bees going out there and doing the nasty stuff But I think we need to have these conversations and the fact that you guys facilitate these conversations. So I think it's very admirable Yeah, we're not I want to add on to that that I really believe the man is fair is the first emerging movement for men Where the men are organizing together for the interests of men and for fathers So I completely agree with that a coastline at home, you know a thousand percent We used to have this stuff right we used to have sports teams that were all male.  And and so after being raised by women seeing women and authority figures women all over the schools Finally you get old and ever they say, you know who runs the world man I'm like that's not really a court with my particular experience certainly early on in life Excellent so before we get into the meat and potatoes. Let's do sort of a quick round table We're gonna get updates from all of our guests what you guys have been doing what you are doing what you plan to do here in the Not-too-distant future Steve what you have going on these days, man What you up to what have what have you been working on? What are your future plans? Just basically the same thing just going doing our live show on Monday our show With myself and George Bruno on Friday We take phone calls and then the man mindset show on Tuesdays man. That's all I'm working on something But I just can't discuss it right now, but it'll be coming out pretty soon. That's stuff. Yeah, that's it excellent excellent DDJ You've you've actually been quite busy lately at least the last time I was on the show You successfully launched the sandree today calm any other projects that you've been working on anything else in the works Yeah, I just decided to dox myself normally I would be on camera But I'm actually concerned about Antifa actually coming to pay me a visit Especially since I've just filed a federal lawsuit in the state of Colorado against Google and YouTube amongst other things for online censorship and for fraud and the online censorship piece is based on the fact that Google and YouTube are government actors of Foreign governments, and I'm also challenging section 230 of the communications decency act is unconstitutional And there's there's about 10 different causes there. It's a pretty big lawsuit the lawsuit itself is 67 pages With attachments, it's over 500 pages So you can download it if you want to check it out actually look at Anthony Johnson's 21 studios YouTube channel. We did a video about that yesterday briefly But yeah, I mean check it out. So I've been pretty busy with that. That's been going on for probably the last I've been doing the research for about a year and a half now and The last probably I'd say the two or three months I've really been kind of putting my nose to the grindstone working with my attorney and the two of us put This together to make it happen and and we're taking a completely different direction with the lawsuit So that's pretty much what's going on with me. Let me ask you one quick question here before we move on to Anthony And I know you can't give away Too much so you filed this lawsuit and so and to what end like what what do we hope to accomplish with this? Well, let me let me kind of go real real briefly and I'll try to give you the reader's digest version of the Five of the ten main things So under 1983 a lot of free speech lawsuits One of the required elements obviously is discrimination under civil rights, but the other element is is government actor So in other words, they have to be a state actor of some kind Well, what's interesting about the civil rights law is they don't actually define what a government actor is within the law So and I've seen some case law especially from the Supreme Court from 2017 where they've actually talked about state actors from foreign governments in the context of civil rights So I think we've got a pretty good argument to extend Civil rights of American citizens to foreign interference, especially since that's been something that's been going on in the mainstream media The second issue that I bring up is that Google and YouTube YouTube comm specifically I'm saying that they're an online theater and so that gives civil rights protections under 42 USC 2000 a which is the public accommodation and I'm claiming national origin discrimination Now the other thing is is that you'll notice that a lot of lawsuits that claim political censorship I'm actually claiming political censorship, but not as a concept by itself I'm actually claiming it under First Amendment rights under freedom to associate since there's well-selling case So what this does is it says look any you have a freedom to associate with anybody you want So let's say you want to associate with the Red Pill Manusphere You want to associate with Republicans or you want to associate with Democrats if you get discriminated for that Under national origin discrimination concept, which is well settled law That's that could be potentially illegal discrimination and you can hold people accountable for it the ish The reason I'm bringing the constitutional challenge of 230 the communications decency act The main reason for that is is that it allows you specifically in the statute to violate someone's constitutionally protected rights without recourse that is overbroad and It goes against the Constitution where it says that the Congress will make no laws That infringe on people's freedom of speech. Okay, and then in addition to that I'm suing them for fraud and I'm also make and I'm also challenging their contract Their terms of service community guidelines as unconscionable now as far as the fraud is concerned I go into lots of detail there where Google conceals what it's doing from its users And where they pretend that they're a free speech engine or a free speech platform free speech website And they're not and they admit it and you see this with the good sensor, which I've linked to the lawsuit They've specifically gone after my channel. They've demonetized it. They've removed videos. They put videos in restricted mode Specifically they went after my New Zealand video for the New Zealand shooters they went after that six separate times and Demonetize my enchant my entire channel because I said look I'm not subject to New Zealand's laws So in a nutshell, that's kind of the direction I'm taking but basically I'm bringing in a lot of new legal causes of action that Have never been used before in this type of lawsuit and there are lots and lots of facts Associated with it and I'm doing this primarily so that we can resist the motion to dismiss for failure to state of claim And I'm also kind of doing this in a way that actually forces YouTube and Google to actually discuss the merits themselves Excellent. It does not sound like this lawsuit Is obviously we live in an increasingly litigious society This does not sound frivolous at least at least not at not at first impression So certainly good luck for good luck with that. We'll certainly all be watching that Anthony What you got cooking over there down in Orlando? Yeah, so obviously I'm preparing for our final event of the year and final event of the decade The which I really don't realize is the final Manisphere Convention or conference of the entire decade All right, it's gonna mark the end of an era and the beginning of something new I think the 2020s are gonna be a very positive decade for our community as a whole and I'm looking forward to setting a good stone for that by a good mark by you know running out this decade really well between Stefan speaking now and You know Ellie Hulse and all those speakers. We had it's gonna be a huge event I'm super excited for it in addition to that and speaking Ellie Hulse yesterday We published his keynote presentation from the 21th convention patriarch edition. We held earlier this year It was about 80 minutes long. So it's a like really super long speech. I really really good one and it was powerful It was called defending marriage in a degenerate age So I came out really good everyone loved it the channels had a really positive response All you had to is publishing it today on his channel. It's like 800,000 subscribers So I'm excited to see you go out now to over a million guys and excited to see a blow-up And I think it's what the Manisphere needs what our community needs We need these kind of TED talks for men without any kind of feminist bullshit censorship and all that Beyond that and my birthday is tomorrow. There's a flash that going on this weekend's gonna be pretty wild We'll see what happens, but yeah, just killing out your running out the year man.  What you've been up to it has it has Coming back from Warsaw has been an amazing trip And then of course I get thrown back into my professional work and that that's a particularly challenge after two weeks away You have to clear space they said then fill the gap when you get back and then of course the same effect with fam and Daughter is the background screensaver Yeah Very jealous, but yeah, it's two weeks away from her was incredibly tough Yeah, I Consciously had to think when I when the plane was going down runway I've made a huge mistake and I'm 14 hours away from even turning around And so yeah, mr. Terribli and we've been really rebonding and have a lot of time with her and then of course prepping for October over and Working with my own book and my red hat, which is a children's anti-bullying book Chromadine and doing that and just a slight amount of coaching Based on both cool. Okay Stefan so we were talking off the air about something you have a series that you're doing and I think you were Least a part of it yesterday fellas about what's going on there Well, so I went to California because I'm absolutely I did a documentary in Poland last year on the 100-year March and I went and I've really enjoyed that It's really life-changing for me. And so I wanted to go and do the same thing about California I visited California extensively in the 90s. Why was the software entrepreneur for business and Seeing the numbers seeing the footage seeing the decay. I was like what an earth is going on in the Golden State So I took a film crew down there and we spent quite some time Interviewing people doing research giving speeches Interviewing street they're called streeters right you interview people on the street because I just wanted to get a sense of what people on The ground are sort of thinking about what's going on in California So it's probably gonna be about a 12-part series. We just released Wow the fifth of Installment in the documentary series came out last night and people can get it at FDR URL.com forward slash CA that's FDR URL.com forward slash CA. It's free. It's ad free I just really want people to see it and you know I went up and confronted the city hall in Los Angeles about how they're gonna pay for all of this Nonsense and I had a great interview with the mayor of skid row where you can see sort of rats running in the background And the latest one is in San Francisco where I just I asked the basic funding question and triggered a whole series of liberals Into some somewhat somewhat cold-hearted behavior So I've been working on that for a while and of course over the next little while I've got 60 days until my speech in Orlando with you guys naturally 14 hours a day 60 days straight very little sleep just working on that speech because of course I want to weave in areas of Interpretive jazz dance. I'm gonna need to get together the Multicolored flamingos. I need the confetti cannons So obviously I need to get a thong for Elliot Hulse the birth birth out of a birthday cake There's a lot that goes into these kinds of speeches, which you'll all get to see in just 60 days From lipstick that now that was this flash. Oh god Jesus Christ How long is each episode I really get invited back as you can sorry good How long is each episode in the documentary series range is from 20 to 30 minutes each? Excellent. All right. Well, um, Stefan, let's talk about The art of the argument you described it as something that shocks the dying art of Rational debate back to life now I know this sounds like this could be an obvious question, but why did you feel it was necessary to write this particular book? Well, I I suppose there's this little thing called online Which you may have experienced from time to time You also may have noticed when online that the quality of debate is not exactly as they say in England top shelf Not quite and so and it's really sad, you know, I mean, we're not taught this We're taught all kinds of useless stuff like I remember the triangle inequality relation from geometry in grade 7 or 8 or whatever It was but nobody actually teaches you how to debate now I had the good fortune of having a bunch of friends. We played Dungeons and Dragons together We we read great books together. We debated ferociously and you learn that The sword is sharpened by sparks and fire and and heat and pressure a diamond is is formed by pressure And you can polish your own Arguments and ideas the contents of your mind to be in alignment with reason evidence and reality but it's a tough process and People aren't learning it on the streets like they used to because there's not a lot of negotiations in video games I I happened to have the good fortune to learn it and then of course when I was a kid and then I was a Vice president of the debating society in college. I got to travel all over Canada doing debates And then I studied a lot of Aristotle in in graduate undergraduate school And then I did a whole history of philosophy paper in graduate school So and then of course I spent as I have 16 or so years debating on the internet So I felt like I had a little bit of experience on how to bring best debating practices to bear so that we can have more productive Conversation so yeah, people can get the book at art of the argument Dot-com and I'd really really recommend it. It's it's a fun tour through How to debate how to reason and and how to because you don't want to win It's not like tennis right if you win and tennis your opponent loses But if you if you get beaten in a debate you haven't lost you've gained the truth You've gained the truth and and so you can't lose in a debate unless you hit the eject button with an ad hominem Or you hit the eject button by by simply Gaslighting or or fogging the data or sharp shooting or all of the other logical fallacies We all know and dread so well So go in knowing that you're gonna win no matter what happens give it your best But definitely you don't lose by surrendering to reality Anthony had a question for First step on so Stefan you run the largest philosophy show in the world your show has been downloaded like literally hundreds of millions times He talked to me about the relationship fundamentally between Philosophy and masculinity or philosophy and becoming a man throughout your life Well, I guess I'll bounce that question back to the good panel. How many famous female philosophers do you know? zero one one Ryan And how much is she loved by feminists right? I ran Margaret Thatcher I mean the feminists hate those women because well feminism is just socialism and they're shaped comfortable shoes, but so As far as philosophy goes it is almost like economics It's almost exclusively a male domain and there's a number of reasons for that the most foundational being That if you look at the highest levels of IQ, which is where philosophy tends to settle In terms of IQ the very highest is physics and then the second highest is is philosophy on average, right? So women tend to cluster sort of around the middle of the IQ spectrum This has been tested and verified in countless cultures of accountless decades at the very highest levels of IQ There are virtually no women and and so when you're looking at the ability to Work in in deep concepts to sort of do the blank slate that Socrates likes pretend You know nothing explain it to yourself like you're three years old pretend You've never been lied to which is kind of the foundation of philosophy and at that level It's almost exclusively a male phenomenon now Of course women enormously benefit from the application of universal principles in society Subjugation of individuals under the law and universal morality and so on but yeah, it's a I hate to put it this bluntly But the history of philosophy is it's kind of a sausage fest Yeah, I would I would imagine so Steve What are your thoughts on the art of debate and Stefan hit it right on the head People like to hit the eject button with ad hominem attacks They like to talk about anything but what you're debating and this is online debate This isn't face-to-face So why do you feel like people tend to be much more bold and brash when they're online as opposed to even on a panel like this or Calling into a show Well because they know if they were to get they will be smart with a man to get probably popped in the mouth so They're more like and they're more like internet gangsters where they when you look see when you're debating somebody it's all about a Mental chess match and when you lose and that's where they go into name call in talking about you and trying to disrespect you The reason they do that online is because the debater who's winning Puts those guys in a situation where they're learning more the truth about themselves and a lot of people can't handle that truth So what happens is that that feminine energy comes in and they start acting more like women start acting caddy right things like that So that's that's my take on that brother Anthony what are your thoughts? Yeah, I think Steve put it pretty well. It's guys eat thug and as I think I heard you first I think you're the first ever say that to me Donovan It's guys are eat thugging on the chat back in the day when used to crack down on Dude and listen a by the way by the way, I'm I'm reformed I think I've become much better at handling at handling trolls So I used to be an addict, but I got off that narcotic and I'm happy to say I've been sober for about three months More specifically, I think though that there's been a lot of research and studies on this not that I've read all of them But from a little bit I have seen that when you're not face-to-face with somebody like me and soccer are here now Part of the front of your brain doesn't work the same way as it does in person as it does remotely And that's why people pop off all this over aggressive stuff because they kind of know they're not going to get punched in the face And because of that, they're not making the same connection. They would make in person So I think face-to-face conversation is always a lot more valuable. I try to do that with our speakers For example, I've known Stefan for years, but meeting him in person shaking his hand having a meet George Bruno All the guys at the event that changed our relationship and I was speaking that's a very specific example But throughout life, I think that's really important and then the opposite of that can be very toxic and retarded as we see online People just you know screaming at each other YouTube comments are some of the worst, but it's you know, it's throughout the entire internet reddit twitter everywhere Excellent Socrates, what are your thoughts on Stefan's book the art of the argument? What are your thoughts on? I get and I really wanted to come to you for this because you've got a little girl, right? And she listen your little girl is going to be online at some point at some point She's maybe going to get into a debate. What do you tell your daughters? What do parents tell their daughters? Okay, here's how not to be a complete bitch I think it goes back to not so much you tell them but what you show them and you show them by experience Particularly your example And so I know for example right now. She's three and a half. She's tiny And she's manipulating and abusing her older brothers Part of it is I have to physically show her Not how to do that how to how to ask without saying go do this or you do that or I why on And so I think there's this natural interaction when she sees me doing it and saying hey, this is going to be a more effective way And she can be exposed to that She's going to learn develop and become a more around human being that everybody wants to be around I like her. I mean she's not a beast. Oh, she's she's awesome. Yeah, she's like whenever I see her. She's like, I missed you. I'm like, oh Well, what you guys don't know she what she tells very Francis tonight. She is you make party you make party You know your birthday, you know, she knows everybody comes over for my birthday Yes, you want to engage with everybody? dj you are obviously no stranger to debate uh in your opinion The the art the the lost art of the rational debate. What are your thoughts on that? And really more over what do you think is there any end in sight? Can people debate rationally online can people debate rationally face-to-face like what's what do you think is the solution here? Well, let's just kind of start at the beginning and and that is that you know masculine men learn and gain more From debate since their ideas are tested in real time It's that whole idea of you know, iron sharpens iron steel sharp and steel And when you talk about online debaters Most of them actually don't want to debate What they do is they get into the conversation With the person that they're trying to target and I've been subject to this I've debated a a white nationalist for example Who wanted to debate me on things that he just couldn't defend? And i'm not sure that he couldn't defend them because he was a white nationalist Or he couldn't defend them because he wasn't a great debater But regardless they don't want to debate what they want to do is they want to drama market because with social media There's been a huge increase In narcissism and this and this echo chamber mentality And so being around people who respect you enough to disagree with you I think is important for us as men to grow in general as far as learning how to debate I think it's a lost art when it comes to many people online because again Most people can't debate anymore. We can't even communicate anymore all all all many of us do and and you know, I've been accused Quite legitimately of being the biggest five-year-old in the room And if you've seen some of my videos, you know, I I definitely can throw in my diapers and grab my banky and tantrum with the rest of them But Most people online they don't know how to debate anymore even even offline They don't they just ad-hom and character assassinate to avoid discussing the actual issues themselves and and many times It degenerates into some sort of like blood sport style ad-hom You know drama talk show fair rather than actually having any kind of real meaningful conversation Or at least, you know saying, okay, that's a valid point. You know, it's something I need to think about it's something that I need to consider and the problem that we have I think in part of that is This idea that we can't have Relationships or the relationships are somehow less important than the issues that we're discussing And in some cases that's definitely true, you know, when you're discussing things like values and ethics Right, but many times the relationship is more important than what's ever been discussed here I mean as a as a man going his own way I've had plenty of disagreements with people here on this panel But we're respectful and we discuss things and and you know what and there've been times I've been wrong and you guys have corrected me on that. This is how masculine men work This is how communities are created and you know, this idea that and I got to bring this back around to feminism and socialism You know this idea that we don't have multi-generational mentorship anymore in real life is extremely concerning I just read an article the other day that talked about how I think it's like somewhere between 30 and 40 of american adults We don't have friends anymore. We're not spending quality time with people in real time We have to have that face-to-face interaction these online discussions are great Because they allow people to experience something different, but they don't They they should be used in tandem With face-to-face interactions with creations of social groups for people around us with family with friends with co-workers With people in our community because the stronger those relationships are within our community the more healthy We are psychologically speaking so debate Absolutely is a crucial life skill because it helps us manage conflict And so yeah, it definitely go out and pick up pick up Stefan's book today if you haven't done it Let me just put put one little tiny thing on that and we all know the story of the The elephants right in Africa where the young males and the males and the patriarchs within the The herd of elephants were poached and it was basically a single mom Herd of elephants and the young men were violent and the young men were unstable and weren't pair bonding and so on And so what did they do? Well, they brought in an elder male elephant and the younger males immediately calmed down and and became more productive and more civil and so on And so there are elements within the society and there are significantly powerful elements within our society that wish to destroy Absolutely everything that we have painfully Put together as a civilization over the past few thousand years. They want to full kimi arouge style full Soviet style full Cuban style. They wish to destroy the market our freedoms our liberties freedom of speech freedom of association You name it property rights in particular And how do they do that? Well, they tell women to live like men which they can't do and they tell Men to stay away or they force men to stay away And so you get a group of young men and I think this is where antifa comes from and this is where a lot of these Leftist guerrillas come from I mean they're basically shock troops sent out by their single moms to make sure nobody interferes with the welfare state So if you separate young men from their male mentors, you really destabilize Societies is a big problem with the migrant crisis You've got a lot of young men coming in without any particular mentors or possibility for stability So the internet of course has reinstituted the capacity to in a sense tame the Chaotic natures of young men with elder male mentors And this is one reason why the platforming is occurring is they don't want the civilization Transferring wisdom of elder males to pass down through the tribe because that makes them less open to manipulation by the left Well said, um Let us turn if anybody uh Oh anthony, did you want did you have anything to add or did you already add that? Yeah, I wanted to ask a question actually is to fawn and actually switch topic a little bit So I wanted to go back to philosophy masculinity Once the fawn first, you know came to the 21 convention You just got to go for you know an evening with us at a dinner and all that in our interview We talked about fatherhood and family So I wanted to ask you about the role of philosophy and you know relative to Connected to uh fatherhood How has it affected you and how has philosophy helped you navigate conflicts and The whole journey of being a father. I don't know. I've been a father now 10 15 years something like that 10 years Yeah, and a stay-at-home dad too. So Well, so philosophy of course gives you principles and why do we need principles because our instincts push us against What is moral, you know, like why do we need? Dietary advice because the stuff that we want to eat Is not always the very best for us and so our instincts to To yell to to hit to bully because we're bigger than our children and we're stronger than our children And so there is this sort of ape like cuff them on the back of the head and growl and withhold their Bag of termites or whatever the hell they're eating. So That is part of the impulse of masculinity. That's part of the impulse of primitivism And what philosophy does is it says okay Here are the principles that you have to live by in order to be a virtuous man And these principles may be difficult in the short run like eating well is less fun than eating a cheesecake sometimes But in the long run, it's going to be great for you Right in the same way that the good diet is or or exercise sometimes it sucks But you know, generally it's a good thing in the long run And so for me philosophy is well, it's founded upon The non-aggression principle, which is you are not allowed to initiate the use of force Against others you are perfectly welcome and it it can be a very good thing to respond To force with self-defense of violence is perfectly acceptable in self-defense But you can't initiate force against others. Now if you take that as a basic principle Well, it informs everything about society But of course it informs everything about your parenting because you see even deeper than this though Your philosophy would be founded on reason and reality, right? For sure. Yeah, absolutely. But but in order to find reason and reality you have to refrain from using force Right in order to have a productive conversation. You can't shoot someone right? So so I would say that the non-aggression principle even proceeds the focus on reason and reality because You know if if you are going to be involved in some boxing match, right? And let's say that you know for sure you can drug the opposing boxer Well, you're not going to train that hard because you're just going to drug him So he's kind of punch-drunk like he's just been headbutted by Muhammad Ali and the fight's pretty easy to win But if you don't if you say, okay Well, I'm not going to drug the opposing boxer you're going to train harder And so if you don't have a way of disabling your opponent If you focus on on the non-aggression principle, which has verbal components as well, right?  They didn't choose you as a father. They have no legal recourse to leave There aren't shelters where they can go. I mean, I guess they could roll the dice with the foster care system But that's not something most kids want to do unless it's a real extremity So even things like yelling and name-calling and so on It's a very different relationship with your children than anyone else in the world Like I'm not obligated to feed some hungry guy in India But if I lock a guy in my basement, I'm obligated to feed him because he's got nowhere else to eat And it's the same thing with peaceful and productive relations with your children You owe them the very highest standard of care, which is no yelling No name-calling no hitting no bullying. No, I mean, I don't punish my daughter and I never have There's no timeouts All we do is reason and negotiate which she could start to do from about the age of 16 to 18 months You can start to to negotiate with your children and I've never raised my voice at her I've never obviously hit her I've never called her any names that I've never punished her because We reason together to figure out the best solution and that is giving your children the best gift because not only Does it draw them towards rational people but aggressive and bullying people they just recoil from so it gives them a wonderful shield through their whole life Let me ask you this And I'll I'll I'll actually because we're going to get into dating and relationships because that's really One of the core I guess one of the core principles that the you know, this hemisphere is is founded upon The dating markets the shit show step on That's I'm so glad to be over 50.  Listen. I just turned 42. I'm glad that I'm not all of that in addition to feminism What have been the biggest factors for relationships? What what's been what have been some of the biggest factors aside from feminism or in addition to feminism In terms of why the dating market the sexual marketplace is such a cesspool What what are some of the other things that are contributing to this or is it only feminism? No, no, no, I don't think it's only feminism and I think feminism is a subset of socialism or collectivism so to me the foundational Distortionary mechanism in the dating market is The massive transfer of trillions of dollars from men to women through the welfare state through income redistribution and even through government hiring I think the majority in most countries in the west the majority of Women who the majority of employer employees to the government are women rivals the massive transfer as well so It's sort of like if you remember in the old soviet union or some communist country. Let's say you have a restaurant And the government pays you $50,000 a month whether you have any customers or not Well, you know, what are you going to do?  I get to not you know Dip into my savings and sell my kidney on the black market to to pay my rent And so when you have a forced transfer of wealth civility collapses so You don't have to be nice to your customers if the government's going to pay you anyway And you don't have to be nice to men if you can use the government to get their money by force Which is what happens on average right men or net contributors to the public purse and women are net Takers from the public purse and so when the government Is forcing them to pay your bills You don't have to be nice Once you take away voluntrism from relationships the quality of those relationships enormously bingo degrades bingo There you go. Steve. Let me get your thoughts on this because this Indirectly talks about the welfare system and it is my assertion and the assertion of a lot of other people That the welfare system is one of the biggest reasons why Why especially low quality women the single mothers of the world Act like their shit doesn't stink they act like they don't need a man You want to know something they really don't need a man and just like stefan says when you remove the When you remove I don't and I think you said the voluntary or I don't even know if that if that's uh, maybe a voluntary nature Yeah, my kids are quality voluntary nature of a relationship in other words when you remove The want for a woman to be to be with a man and sort of couple that with the need This is what we get What are your thoughts on the welfare system? Being one of the biggest factors in terms of destroying relationships along with feminism Oh back in the day it was the welfare and then uh from that point it turned into taking cps out of the home I'm from a different side of the spectrum as far as uh discipline when it comes to parents When I got in trouble I got my ass whipped that was it. I mean it was uh going to the store with my mother and we got out of line It was a look and we knew that all the way when we got that look we knew what's happening So I came from more of a disciplinary type thing where uh I learned more about life to me it was more about life because uh what happened was it seems like a lot of What happened after the welfare thing? They started coddling these boys. They stopped teaching them about the truth about life and outside outside those doors of the house and Then cps came along and then when cps came in they took the belt and the Authority from the parent and they kind of swung it to the child Then on top of that everybody got then they rolled in and everybody's a winner Everybody gets a trophy So it was a a manner of a bunch of dominoes that that has happened But all of this happened before the internet kicked off So what these kids now who are on the internet? They don't know why they are what they are It's just that these are certain things that happen as a domino effect to Cause and create who they call mom or dad right now who dad, you know, like um, like step on what's saying You know dad is the you know dad teaches and all the other stuff and dad has the the rules and laws and principles But when dad's sleeping on the couch Dad's saying happy wife happy life Dad's saying don't make mom mad. It kind of confuses these boys. So Uh, but yeah, I would say it starts up with the welfare But it rolled in the cps Everybody's a winner and it just kept rolling down the hill and now with these young men are seeing today Are the causes of that man? Well, and I sort of just one tiny bit. I would I would include Family courts alimony child support as part of the welfare state Yeah, absolutely that that goes to what you were talking about earlier the transference of resources from men to women I think that's definitely part of that Real quick, um, it appears that we have a lot of uh got a lot of ethos got a lot of chat gangsters in the chat You guys want to ask pithy snarky questions call it<PHONE_NUMBER> listen anybody can be a tough guy. That's debate. Yeah, right.  Give us a call it listen if you disappear I think you just gave me the title of my next book. There you go Yeah, yeah, maybe you too can be a master debater call in it's we always get we always I mean, this is this is true of every stream. There's always people who think they're smarter than everybody else Not to say that you're not but calling improve it. That's all i'm saying DDJ you are up next Aside from or aside from or in addition to feminism What do you think some of the byproducts are a feminism destroying relationships? And what are some of the I guess some of some of the lateral Not collateral, but some of the lateral damage that's happened in other words What are some things that are as bad as feminism that is spawned from feminism that's put relationships into shit Well When you're talking about feminism so back in the day when I first got online I was pretty ignorant about certain things because I was only looking at what I was seeing Anecdotally And I really didn't look at the big picture as much as I have in the last probably three years or so And so when I talk about feminism what I'm talking about is the welfare state And what I'm talking about is socialism and when I mean my socialism. I also mean Communism at some level. I think come you know socialism is just a more polite term for communism And really when we're talking about feminism It's led to the downfall of the of the family because it creates Multi-generational trauma and it creates multi-generational destruction Because what happens is that you have these single mothers Who are feeding off the tit of the welfare state who are raising fatherless children now Here's a fun fact that nobody likes to talk about Did you know that most mass shooters over 95% are raised in homes That are broken homes. So they're not raised by biological mom. They're not raised by biological dad And you know, I talk about this in my book the feminist lie It was never about a quality hashtag shill alert in chapter three Where I compare and contrast the communities and the neighborhoods that are primarily led by single mothers Compared to the communities and neighborhoods Where the families are intact where they're living christian values mom and dad are in marriage And they are raising their children together when I say mom and dad I mean biological mom and dad those groups those families those communities those neighborhoods where the families remain intact They do 100 better And you know, the other thing as far as socialism is concerned We saw exactly what the problem with socialism and feminism was with the black community in the 60s and 70s You look at civil rights activists from that period and you see, you know, they're wearing suits They're wearing ties. They're clean. They're they're well kept. They're maintained. They're articulate. They're educated That the black community was the canary in the coal mine socialism and feminism targeted that community first And now you see the problems that they created in that community spread all across the country And when we talk about the criminalization of behavior You know, like with family courts and wealth transfer and things like that These socialists and these feminists are running a scorched earth policy Against masculine men against healthy men and against healthy families And we saw this in the early 1980s with the Duluth model Which is probably the most widely used domestic violence intervention model in the world And what it did is it criminalized Non-criminal behavior and so when it did that into context of relationships, what happened was everybody's like, holy shit, this works This is great. We've criminalized men We we can now demonize them and call them criminals and and toxic masculinity and patriarchy is bad Let's redefine it and then what happened was was that the welfare state followed So now you get child protective services going into healthy homes And kidnapping children out of those homes and destroying those families because everybody knows that when your children are involved If you are stuck in family court the longer that you're in that court The more trauma you're going to have psychologically and emotionally and that trauma It rears its ugly head in a variety of ways. And so what you've seen is especially since the early 1960s Is that while there is no gender war There is a war against men and healthy masculinity that is destroyed many generations of young men And it reminds me of what Yuri Besmanoff said In the middle 80s when you know, he said look social justice is the tool That they will use to destroy the united states when he was talking about communist russia And he says, you know, they're they're going to go into the schools and they're gonna they're going to indoctrinate these children to turn away From healthy capitalistic society and they're going to try to turn them towards socialism And we've seen that since he's died we've seen that with the indoctrination of the schools and the colleges and everything else So absolutely this whole situation is cancer But the way we fight it is through free speech the way we fight it is by promoting family The way we provide it is is by promoting healthy relationships And of course that brings us all the way back to Learning how to properly debate the issues Instead of character attacks and losing your mind. So those are my thoughts Well said, uh, we're going to go ahead and go to the phone lines. We've got quite a few people waiting airycode 512651503 in that order So, uh, guys hold tight. We're going to get to you right now But for right now, we're going to go to airycode 512.  Go ahead Uh, good evening gentlemen As the red pill community already profitizing to the converted Isn't it just like kind of spinning your wheels until the welfare state's done And could you guys give some quick opinions on vulcanization? That's a good question. Stefani. Want to take your take a first crack at that?   You can share videos. You can create your own environment You can write your own blog you can live stream. It's right there on your cell phone So it really bothers me. Maybe you guys are just preaching to the choir. It's like if you think that's a problem It's actually just two clicks of the mouse to solve it. So stop nagging us and go and share the information yourself So that's number one as far as number two goes A fragmentation of vulcanization Yeah, you know, people say well, maybe america should split up and and so on and yeah This I don't think that's gonna work. First of all, I mean the communities are embedded in each other Right and separating, you know, it's one it's one thing to pour the food coloring into a cup of water You know, it's quite another thing to take it out which is virtually impossible And secondly, of course, there are productive people in america and there are unproductive people And some people work for a living and some people vote for a living And it's a lot easier to vote for a living. So all that's gonna happen is the unproductive Let's say you could find some way to get all the unproductive people in in arkid's hour something It's like, okay.  I don't know I mean, I have my doubts but the important thing is that when the crisis comes when the money begins to run out That we understand it's not freedom that's failed. It's force that's failed Excellent. Excellent. Well said. All right, let's go to aricode 651 aricode 651.  Go ahead Yes, hi I'm migtail rational and uh, I just wanted to say that, uh, you know, not to start off with patience or anything but I just feel like You guys have a lot of good things to say and I followed you up to this point where You know, all a lot of the stuff that you guys are saying on the podium is is gold, but I followed you up to this point. I've only been listening to you guys for like less than a month But when you guys start shitting on migtail, that's where I've got a problem with you guys Okay, um, the thing is is that the thing is that My what my standpoint is you can't you guys talk about, you know, you have to understand women You have to navigate women and stuff like that but How do you you can't you can't rationalize with an animal?  Yeah. Well, yeah, let's let's let me let me just say one thing real quick Yeah, this was that that was uh first and foremost Anybody who who identifies as migtail and I say this as a as a man going his own way content creator. Okay Anybody who identifies is is a man going their own way Is not tribalistic or shouldn't be tribalistic in that sense Anybody who is offended by somebody saying something negative about the label Because their feelings are hurt, you know, that's that's feminine thinking. Yes. So so that's that's not even masculine You go in your own way if you've turned into a woman Is that right right exactly exactly?   They are going their own way This is about agency. It's about responsibility. It's about owning what you say and what you do So anybody who who has a problem Because somebody doesn't fit into a particular tribe, especially a tribe that that prides itself in individualism May not actually be part Or may not be living a lifestyle where they are actually going their own way So that's you know, I mean, it just sounds like it just sounds like a feminine conduct to me I'm sorry to drop. I gave a pretty good speech. I thought we'd already started. Let me just really really recap it quickly so My daughter loves this game called exploding kittens and I don't know if I'm just too old or something like that But I I'm like, okay. I guess I'll play this card like I don't really get it And so and I haven't really put the effort in to try and understand it monopoly. I'm down with you know Cheat I'm down with but you know, so I don't really enjoy playing a game Well, I don't really understand the rules and and my concern with the migthouse phenomenon is that you know, if if someone could tell migthouse How to get a great relationship how to be in love how to pair bond how to securely have Children and a family and be a dad and not be a divorce and not fear You know accusations of every conceivable kind if that were possible. Surely that would be attractive, right? Now so migthouse I think say well, it's impossible But it's not impossible because there are lots of people out there who have good relationships And the way that you get good relationships is you define your values you get self-knowledge I took years of therapy. You may not need that. I mean, I had a really tough childhood So I maybe needed more therapy than than most but If someone can tell you how to get a good relationship wouldn't you want that and the way to get a good relationship is figure out rational values and then spend your dating life Asking women about those values and being really attentive to what to do how they treat people how they treat the waiter What their friends are like what their history is like whether they have anything to show for their lives Whether they're in debt whether they took useless degrees like you can figure out women Just as you can figure out men pretty quickly and just this endless statistic of 50 percent of marriages and divorce It's like yeah, and you know 99.9 of people who are blindfolded when they shoot an arrow never hit the target But if you take the blindfold off you can actually aim and get what I think is the greatest prize in the world Which is a pair bonded a loving relationship that lasts your life And so that's my particular concern that they kind of throw in the baby out with the bathwater. Yeah, lots of relationships fail But there's reasons why and you can remediate those reasons and you can lower your chance of divorce to virtually zero If you really x-ray people for their value Steve This is where I'm all I y'all know how I feel about Already know how I feel about go a man You're gonna learn today. He's about to tell you This is the feminine Asexual behavior. I'm always talking about what you case You can always you you you cuddle by mommy. You have no self-discipline You have no boundaries.  So I don't believe in that.  He was there.  All right.   You guys choose not I say all metas.  He says oh So you cucks ban people with different opinions on the contrary We ban ethugs. We ban virtue signalers. We ban people who are trying to attention or again guys We and we've got three people in the queue area code 503 201 and 615 you guys are all next be patient We're going to get to you guys in just a second Um, we don't deal. I don't know. Listen, maybe anthony runs us differently when he owes this but when i'm hosting I don't like i'm not here for the ethuggan in the chat if you really We're here to debate, right?    There you go I got something uh briefly to add to this so when I call her when that guy called in I think a lot of what he's doing is a strawman argument So we do talk about mctaugh from time to time on the show on you know Friday show the monday show the main show on saturday and all that But it's pretty minor and so I think he's actually exaggerating this thing and the The infrequent criticisms we have of that community and that stuff. It's not even that big of a deal So it's interesting that he focused in on that and tried to amplify to this big issue And it's not it's one part of a pie that's got a hundred pieces to it And so I think he's just kind of bullshitting on that. He's over focused on it And he's been a fan for he said less than a month It's the thing too. I I didn't hang up on him I simply called out that he was talking about negative generalizations and then negatively generalizing So that's kind of hypocritical, but I mean he hung up So I was hoping we have a nice debate here But you know the guy the guy the moment you push back he just hangs up and of course that's why I have a relationship I hold on guys I hung up on him and the reason why I hung up on him is because he said oh you can't negotiate with an animal dude Like you can't oh, okay. Sorry. Yeah, you can't call women animals This this is this is exactly why a lot of the red pill community shits on big towels You guys are angry people listen.    Thanks for holding patiently. You're on live with the red man group and you go ahead Hey guys, uh, I'm really enjoying this, uh show today Stefan the first I just want to say thank you so much for your videos. You've really helped me out quite a bit to, uh give me the confidence in my, uh Values and my beliefs and to be able to articulate that and I just want to say thanks for that Thank you um the One thing whenever you guys were talking about divorce is I've been separated from my wife for seven years now and all of our friends families like why don't you guys get divorced and the biggest reason why is even though we can't be Married as far as like a traditional couple with our kids We just don't get along that way Two different world views The biggest reason why we don't go through the divorce process is because we don't want the courts in our lives And it's been really challenging to get that point across to like the schools um to other people because they just Assume that there's always some kind of like court order some kind of parenting plan And we're like no no no We're still married. We each have equal rights with our kids and how we raise them Uh, it's just that they get so they just get so frustrated with uh, you know, assuming that I'm the non custodial parent or anything like that and I'm just saying like there is a different way to go through it Okay, so then just add to be something if you don't mind just out of my curiosity because If you can be reasonable and rational enough with your wife that you can have this amicable shared custody with that involving the courts Um, I guess I guess the the first question that pops into my mind is then why did you separate? Right, uh, just we Two different two different, you know, it's a lot just fighting all the time Um, you're not fighting now, right? I mean over something that could be even more volatile Right. No, it's no Stefan. I was I did not want to end the marriage, but it I got to there was a lot of abuse Oh, I'm sorry. You had an abuse coming from her a lot of abuse of like uh of like You know saying You don't do anything for us like whenever I go to work all day. Okay time out color color color color color color Just just just give me a second here partner Here's what you need to understand, right? And and and again, listen man, I'm not not trying I'm not trying to not trying to be mean here But I'm gonna give you a little bit of tough love, right? You are a man. You're a man.  You can't let your woman verbally abuse you now It's easy for me to say because I'm not in the relationship, right? And I can understand a lot of guys when they take that when they hear us giving advice It's very easy for us to sit here up on this panel and we're completely removed emotionally from your relationship So any advice that we give, you know, I mean I understand why it would be a little bit difficult To to sort of follow because we're not as emotionally invested in you as you are That being said just because it's easier said than done doesn't mean that it that it doesn't need to be done Right, so tell me the very first time if you can remember that the first time that your wife complained Or nagged about something and what you did about it Erie code 503 are you there? Yeah, yeah, I'm still here You know it You know, it's so it's so many years ago. I can't I can just tell you like that The what I did about it was basically, you know changed the parameters of like saying like, okay, we're not going to be married anymore They got to a point where it was just like every day I'd come home from work and That she would still be on the couch reading Uh a twilight book that she's read five times Come home and my kid would have a you know a group in the diaper if I can interrupt Independent from the other variables and factors that donovan and staphon are talking to you about I think you actually deserve some credit for some creative problem solving That you obviously made some choices with this relationship and you but you decided you wanted to keep the government out of it Which I do think is a fundamental and important problem that you have so far avoided I would hope you talk to an attorney at some point about What the potential consequences and stuff like this are living this kind of life But I think it's actually pretty good problem solving and inviting the government into your life Through a divorce court is probably pretty dangerous I did something similar and avoiding that in my life in the first place having private marriage in a ceremony rather than Signing, uh, you know marriage certificate and license and all that shit But I think it's actually good that you've done that and it's probably one of the best things you can do Without knowing more about you know, what's going on in the past and then what you're doing now with the leftover of the relationships that speak and particularly if you don't care about getting married again Then that's probably a pretty good idea Well, I'll tell you something at the very beginning of relationships that is important. Sorry to interrupt But um, this is a story from a friend of a friend and it's many years ago, but it always stuck with me So a guy was getting married We call them bob. So bob was getting married to a woman And they had tussles back and forth about the name change right who was going to change Whose name right? No, no, no, listen. Just just just hear me out. Hear me out So they did eventually agree that she was going to take his name, right and then they got married And I remember him telling me that They're driving to her parents place the day after they got married and she says Actually, I don't think I want to take your oh my god. There we go. Right now That's a test right that that's a test. So so what did he do? He said yes, you are going to take my name because that's what we agreed before we got married And you can't change the deal now. That's like me saying Oh, I'm going to be monogamous to you and then the day after we get married saying no I'm going to have an open relationship You can't change the deal that you make before you get married That is not going to happen in this marriage and they had the debate so to speak right and then she ended up Taking his name. And so you simply have to not accept destructive or dysfunctional behavior From anyone in your life and in particular, of course from your marital partner And this goes male to female and female to male as well You simply have to be assertive and again, I'm not I can't judge your marriage. We've heard almost nothing about it But I'm just saying in general It's the first time it's the first impression that counts, you know when I got a new job as a software executive and I had an employee Say some pretty rude things to me in a meeting. I just fired it You know like I mean and I know that's different with a marriage right once you're in and so on But you know, you have to hold people to the deals you talk about the values before you get married and you damn well hold men and women to those values after you get married and you know I can't put it any more plainly than that. It's it's in the very very first time that it comes up that you really have to be strong dj You know, it's interesting because you see these tests happen all the time Now what was interesting about this caller is is it he reminds me of my first marriage Now the reason I bring the first marriage up is because That was my mistake I chose poorly I should have never married this woman and I didn't use I had a gynocentric blind spot and so I chose badly and and and the reality is though Is it even once you choose once you once you get a meeting of the minds and you find a woman that you want to You know be there with Those that level of consequences it has to be important and it doesn't necessarily have to degenerate into an argument And it doesn't necessarily have to degenerate into an ultimatum. There are many situations where You know marriages are recoverable And they go through a lot of stuff the 50 year marriages go through almost everything that a 10 year failed marriage goes through So the only difference was was that they figured out how to get through it and move on to the next thing But I think that at the end of the day, you know, you really have to ask yourself, you know What are your what are your negotiating skills? You know, what is your level of investment? What is her level of investment? And and go from there. I mean, I think that at the end of the day, you know, also, I should also say one other thing um When you have children The deal changes a little bit it evolves and so being together for the children I commend the caller on that because I think it's important that both parents are involved in their children's lives, but When the children are involved you make decisions and sacrifices as a father for those children Within reason of course I mean, you're not you're not you're not trying to be a disposable utility or anything like that per se But you definitely want to make sure that you're making the best decisions possible on behalf of the children And as a mother mothers should be doing the same thing There's a whole attitude today of this idea of you know, if it's if it doesn't feel good for the mother They should just destroy it all And you know because because her feelings are the most important things in the world and that's that's a huge fallacy And and a lot of women who do that they go and they destroy their marriage They destroy their relationships They destroy their families and i'm not saying that it's all her fault I want to make sure that's abundantly clear But then what happens is as you see them 10 or 15 years later We see articles all across the internet written by women that are like I love the only man who ever loved me Yep destroy the only relationship. There was nothing wrong with him I was just insufferable and so when you understand that and when you have a A red pill masculine knowledge Of women and of relationships and how to interact You can kind of see through those things and it makes them easier to work through because you know marriage is really good for a man When a woman is young, but it is Absolutely imperative for an older woman because it benefits that older woman Once she can no longer get on the dating scene in the same way she could when she was younger So having those relationships and being able to work through those things is absolutely crucially important But like Stefan said earlier in this stream You have to go out of your way and you have to ask the questions And you got to watch how she treats people and you got to watch how they do things Or else you're going to choose the wrong woman in my case my first marriage I chose a woman I was only with for four or five months It was a very short engagement and I take complete responsibility for that So there's that Well, no, but also you need a society of people around you who are going to help you avoid being dicknapped Right, so dicknapped is when you're basically thinking with your dick and and you can't Reason things through so we've got to not be in isolation This is a lot of what I do with the callers into to my show Is I'll give them the feedback as I see it But you need people around you who are going to slap you upside the head and say, you know Stop following your penis and start thinking with your long-term God-given reason, right? So That that is really we are so isolated when it comes to making these decisions And it's very hard to make good decisions when you're in heat And you're in isolation at the same time So that's something that you've got to have good people around you relationships fail Tribally, they don't fail individually. It's just one man one woman. They fail Tribal because it's a whole group of people like why do you get married because you're publicly saying We're going to try and have kids usually We're going to really really work to stay together and then it's your tribe's job It's your family's job. It's your friend's job.  You can work things out. You sit down It's a collective endeavor to keep a pair bonding relationship with tribal We didn't just go off into the woods and live isolated lives Just two people staring at each other in a tent all for 40 years So when you're in a community Work to keep the pair bonded relationships together who will the flames encourage the positivity and for heaven's sakes for heaven sakes This is gonna sound all kinds of Taliban But you have to really be careful about the media that you consume because the media that's out there Always shows this glorious aftermath to a woman Breaking up and then it hides from her the disaster of her 40s and 50s think of the sex in the city woman Right.  She's divorced. She's not got no kids.  I appreciate the guy that called in and uh, and but it's not just him It's the majority of you guys out there All I keep hearing over and over again is she yelled at me She screamed at me. She did this to me and she did that When are you guys going to start taking accountability? For allowing these women to come into your castles and rummage all through it A woman is not going to do anything that you don't allow her to do But the question that I keep want to know from you guys What are these women doing? Why are you giving your sperm?  Why are you guys not holding yourselves to a high standard to make these women Work and praise and run behind you See this like like, um Like like what was what was being said Well, step on what's saying is it's a thousandth incorrect But the problem is y'all are so plugged into the media You believe you have no worth because the media is taking it away from you Mommy's taking it away from you and most of your loser friends are taking it away from you And yet you want to meet a woman and you expect her to respect you and you don't even respect yourself You guys got to stop pointing the finger at these women and again This is not me protecting women because i'm not here to protect women I'm here to protect you guys you got to start taking accountability for every move you make as a man And if she dangles her name hyphenated with yours gone, that's it. No if ands or buts I don't want to sit here and and explain to you why you need my name And as far as last thing I want to say as far as sperm Stop rewarding these women with the best thing you have to offer when she's not worthy of it, man Make sure everybody is worthy gentlemen because you're not going to get you're going to fall into this trap When you guys don't believe in you and I don't want to be hard on that guy But it just kills me when you say she was doing this and I don't remember the first time well, guess what? The first time is the is the warning The second time you're gone. That's it.  But I'm just saying you guys got to take more accountability gentlemen I agree. I believe we all got an amen out of that one. Yeah, absolutely. All right Let's go to the phone lines. Uh, erico 201 you're on now 615 is next 200 is after that and 713. Uh, thanks for thanks for holding erico 201. Go ahead Can you hear me? Yes Yes Okay, um, donnie I'll try to keep it short Two or three things I want to address. Uh, the first one is the biggest that I'm 25 and I've never had a girlfriend and I'm still a virgin And the last six years I've probably asked out over I don't know 600 girls. Maybe 2000 online. Okay. What's your question? I got a couple of coffee dates I'm like six foot four. So it's not my height, but Shit Why am I my failure? Dude, that's a question That is a question that encompasses so many answers and we don't have enough information Just based on the fact that you're 25 you're 6 4 and you've asked out 600 girls. What's the next thing? Okay, uh Well, this I really wanted to ask dvj about uh dvj. Are you there? He's here Yes, I'm here.  I mean we talked about this a couple episodes ago And steve the dean really hit the nail in the head You know the idea of the game is is to be the best man you can be to be the most masculine man You can be and and the women they weren't the focus They were just a fringe benefit of being successful And and that's absolutely true when you when you're doing what you need to be doing What ends up happening is is that these women will make themselves known you don't have to hunt for them Well, I'll also say I I know why that guy's Not not getting any to two reasons number one What the hell you do and asking 600 women out you have no idea what you want It has vagina I will ask you out It's like no way to make a woman feel special if she's just one of 600 women in a row And women do have a very good spider sense for this and the second is even in this vocal presentation You know well a couple of months ago you had a falling out with And it's just kind of droney and it's kind of negative and it's kind of low energy You know women are drawn to to energy and positivity and confidence And because they have to bond with a guy who's going to go out and win against other guys To bring the resources home or win against other women if he's in that kind of industry so know what you want and and Go for it Any positive way, but if it's like it's kind of like the I guess you don't want to go out to the movies with me on saturday Do you you know and it's just one of 600 women? Of course, you're gonna get enough Yeah, hit listen that wasn't his question stuff on he used that question to get our attention and then ask the real question about tfm Because any guy who's six four and 25 years old who's asked out 600 women is not a virgin That's just all there is to it ericote 615 you are on live with the red man group go ahead Hi, hi guys, um, I wanted to thank staff on for the lipstick twitter wars and um for sharing Opportunity after 30. I think that you know a lot of the girls aren't taking it very well But I'm hoping that it sinks in at some point for them before it's too late The problem of a philosopher is hate me now. Love me later Yes, exactly it will sink in. I'm hoping for them. I turned 36 last month and I'm hoping color. What's your question that you have advice My question is I'm going on a date later tonight.  What would be your ideal date? But say that again. What do you want out of the date? What would be your ideal date tonight? I mean Tonight I'm hoping that I can have a good connection.  Yeah What do you want tonight, sweetheart? No, no, that's fine. The look look the first date is an is an audition The first date is a job interview for what hopefully will be a lifelong career, right? So In a job interview you talk about Important things you don't I mean I've interviewed probably a thousand people in in my career and I've hired probably 150 and so you talk about all the relevant stuff. I mean, there may be 30 seconds or a minute of chit chat But then you get down to the nitty gritty of you know Here's your resume and and you know at the age of 36 if you want to get married and you want to have kids You got to be decisive and you got to ask the tough questions And you got to really parse whether the guy is going to give you the answers You want just so we can get in your pants? So whether he is someone who actually wants maybe to get married and settle down and it's got to be quick, right? So, you know, don't mess around with the date the date is not fun The date is not I mean it's supposed to be enjoyable, of course But the date is a job interview for pair bonding I mean if that's what you want, right? If it's someone else It's something else be upfront about that But you go out with the guy tonight you find you find, you know a little bit of chit chat is fine It's like okay. Well, what do you want out of life? What do you want out of this date? Do you want kids? Do you want to get married? Is that on your table? What are you looking for have important conversations? You wouldn't believe the number of people who call into my show Who have spent five years with someone and I asked them about their values.  I've got something to say I understand you're 36 and all that other stuff But you you do understand that you got more work to do because every Every day there's a new up-and-coming 19 or 21 or 22 year old. Yeah, but you do understand at the end of the day Right. Okay. Well, what I need you to do this is this is because the dean love the kids But I ain't the paul but I got you covered What I want you to do is I want you to keep You put your hand on your heart for a second Because I got something I need you to say every morning that you wake up And when you start saying this things are going to happen good for you already. Are you ready to keep your hand on your heart? Yeah, okay. Now, this is what you say In my hand as well You just rememberizes go back and write this down. I pledge allegiance to my man For he is my leader and my king Without him I have no value or worth.   He doesn't know I'm on the other side of this I agree. I agree with a lot of that. I'm down with gender roles and I really appreciate that. I know you're trying to help me Do you want to know why you need listening me? I've been married for over 20 years with no problems No arguments So if you want to listen to someone who's successful in this game not say step step successful I am too. I've been in this thing for 20 years. No fights. No problems. No arguments You want to know why because as ladies and this is something that anthony's doing later on He's trying to show you women how to have value in a man's eye. You got to remember It's never about you. It's all about him So what are you going to do to please that man so he can choose you those are the questions you got to ask So yeah, very well said steve. I endorse every word of that ddj. What do you got on that? You know, I wasn't going to say anything on this, but I think that that something Is that something important needs to be said and that is this There's a question you got to ask yourself and there's a question You got to ask this guy that you're going to be going on this date with and you should be asking I mean all women and all men should be asking this question and that is What do they and what do I bring to the table?  Why should you invest in them those are important questions to ask because if you're looking for a husband If you're looking for a long-term relationship a lifelong commitment and a bond Then you're going to be looking for different things than you know, somebody who goes out and casually dates So I think that those things are important as well. So, you know, what do you bring to the table? I'll ask yourself that you don't necessarily need to answer here But you know think about what do you bring to the table? What does he bring to the table? Is that what you're looking for? And I'm not saying make a checklist Because obviously relationships evolve over time and things change But these are things you need to be keeping in your mind because the other side of this is too Is marriage isn't just a personal relationship.  Okay.    That means he might actually like you, right?  Don't be texting people on your phone and turning your phone Don't give him the well my phone is my business. Listen if you're looking for a husband sweetheart He has the right to know who you're texting He has the right to know where you are what you're doing who you're doing it with and if these if you're not willing to Be that transparent that's that doesn't make you a bad person This just means that you're not ready to be in a relationship of consequence with a man that you respect and love And my final piece of advice is you got to offer him more than sex because you have to understand that men in demand We can get sex anywhere, right?  Uh, Stefan's face turn this is like Donovan's going through his advice.  I think Stefan, I think we're all on the same I think we're all on the same page in terms of where we want to be It's just that Steve and I we take a little bit of a different route and before we get to airycode 200 which i'm not really sure where that came from Um, I don't endorse negotiating in relationships. Um, it's either way or it's thought well You're gonna end up alone that I guess I'll be allowed You can't make a woman do anything you don't want her.   Go ahead Well, hello, can you guys hear me? Yes Oh, fine Yeah, the reason the airycode was 200 because I'm like, um, I live in sweden. So I was calling from the internet Okay, uh, but like, yeah, I want to have a question first if I'm all in you By the way, I'm like a big fan. I've been listening to you for a while I think you're like one of the few people who like Yeah, I very it's like very um, uh, like you're always very rigid in your logic and I really appreciate that I just have like a question So like how do you how do you stand on like the black iq issue? Like where do you stand there? On the what issue the black iq Well, I mean I I stand with science. I mean you you can you can look at my interviews I don't really see how this is a topic for this show, but you know, don't ask me where I stand just look up the science Well, yeah, no, I mean come on. It's like a disputed topic, right? I'm just Look, he's trying to cause a wedge He told you where you can go with I listen I gave a chance to Get on said, you know, if you're from Sweden I would say perhaps look more into immigration from the Middle East Rather than what may be going on in the data sets in American universities. So anyway, let's move on to another caller Yeah, maybe the no-go zones in your own country By the way, you got a comment here from uh, coach alpha elite says he's digging your sunset in the golden city doctor series So that uh, all right area code 713 you are on live with the red man group you go ahead Hey, what's going on guys? What's up, Ray, but I was a little in Houston. Hey, I was I had a question To I guess stuff on earlier. He mentioned something about I guess what the discipline of your children You know something like that. I was basically having a softer approach. Could you expand on that? Well, um You want your children to internalize values and standards and using force or aggression or violence to do that simply Lends them to one to subjugate themselves to A coercive agency my end goal my end game so to speak in the long run is a society without a state Without a government without a centralized coercive monopoly on the use of force I view a state as anachronistic as slavery and something you have to outgrow at some point Now if you discipline your children with threats and violence and force You're just training them to subjugate themselves to coercion and that means when they grow up They're going to find it very very hard to push back against encroachments of state powers You know, it's both tactical and strategic in the long run And I cannot get around the non-aggression principle and the non-aggression principle is you're not allowed to initiate the use of force So if you hit your children, I mean, it's not it's not self-defense, right? At least I hope not And so you're initiating the use of force and Children are the ones who most need to be covered by moral standards not the least So the fact that we lower our standards when it comes to the use of force with children Is to me foundation as to why society is is a mess So you think the reason why society is a mess is because people spank their kids Well, it's the use of force against Helpless vulnerable no-choice children. I mean you're not allowed to hit adults You're not allowed to hit police officers.   He just uses it to guide them I'm gonna check. So for those of you unfamiliar with Stefan's philosophy I believe nonviolent parenting is a cornerstone of this, right? Yes, and one of the ways it looks and you mentioned government and things like that and on, you know, not having a state I think one of the one of the things you mean by uh, the initiation of force is like You know taxation of the threat under threat of violence if I depend income taxes, I will eventually be shot I'll be arrested at gunpoint and if you resist, it'll be shot A lot of people don't want to think about that that's an advance for a complex form of slavery today But I would I agree with you and I believe it is I think, you know, I actually support government I'm an objectivist and like to actually ask you about that But an extremely limited form of it where for example taxation is not collected under threat of being killed Which I think is absurd and insane Um, so for those of you not familiar with this philosophy I think that you know, this is a cornerstone what you believe And I think a lot of the guys watching this show are not familiar with that 100% If you you know, it's like this so if You think that the earth is the center of the solar system Then calculating the replicate motion of morris becomes really really complicated If you just put the sun at the center of the solar system everything falls Into place like einstein's theory of relativity if you make the speed of light constant the universe just kind of falls into place And and makes sense and so if you just put the non-aggression principle at the center of everything and have it inform Your perspectives on every issue the world makes sense the world falls into place and one principle You know, it's like the one ring except I guess for virtue right one principle Can rule everything that that makes society comprehensible. So I mean as far as a small government. Well, you know, they never stay small I mean the whole purpose behind the american constitution the american bill of rights Declaration of independence was they aimed to create the very smallest government in the history of the world And it has now turned into the very largest government in the history of the world So I don't really think that uh, you can control the cancer of the state But again, I know this is a big deviation from our central topic. So if we want to get back to the call is that's fine Uh, yeah, uh one last comment and then we'll uh, rico 201 Donovan, well, uh, I come from uh, again, I'm on the other side of the spectrum I believe that uh, again, I discipline my kids when they need discipline They got scholarships They're straight a students have no problems and I have no issues with them The problem issue that I see is that we are we we becoming this time out. Let's coddle Let's sit jimmy down and let's try to talk him out of uh, why he shouldn't do this and do that And it's not to me. It's not the discipline the beating or the spanking. That's the problem It's a lot of these boys that because of the coddling they're getting a false sense of reality of what the world is like They're under the impression that everybody out there is going to be nice to you Everybody out there is going to put you in time out and everybody out there is going to sit there and explain to you Why you did something wrong and you can't do that? That's not right And then when they get out there and see the real world for what it is They cannot handle the truth verse with mom and dad did not teach them to do I'm not saying beat your kids to a pulp where Different right, right. I'm saying a spanking. There's nothing wrong with spanking your child in the bottom as far as but again I come from uh, uh, again, that's what we did in the black community I can't speak for I can't speak for Jeff one because he's totally different community in mind different serious If I can interject when I found Stefan's youtube channel probably nine ten years ago I was very skeptical of this non-violent parenting philosophy Over the years I've adopted it. I'm not a parent yet as far as I know right not a father Some kids of my own out there somewhere stopped hitting me But I've but I have adopted and I've come to understand More of why he believes this and I think he's on to something real I think that's why it's a cornerstone what he believes No, and I respect that. No, I I totally respect and get where he's coming from and I think that's great I'm just saying from a black man from where I came from my community for why I came from How did things but I don't think but see when you think about blacks and violence The blacks and vines don't come from the the beatings and the spankings the violence comes from the single moms indoctrating Emotions in these men. I don't think it's the discipline The discipline is to keep order with that child to let them know that if you do something wrong This could have happened But when they go out there, they'll have more of a sense of what the world is really like because if you think the world Is sunshine and rainbows? This is where you get a lot of confused men because they don't they think everything they think because the household I've been putting time out Then that guy or that guy out there and that serengeti is going to do the same thing And I'm just saying for I'm just speaking from the My side of the spectrum that uh, I I don't believe in beating a kid But I totally believe in discipline because they need to realize the world is a different animal And it should be shown from the household first and then have those kids better prepared when they go out That's all but here's the thing right so Philosophy doesn't stop at skin color. I mean there's universal principles and of course in the black community There is a lot of hitting of children and of course, as you know violence within the black community in america is is quite high I would argue that these two things may in fact be correlated I think it's just a genuist of whole smoking hitting Because when people say, you know, I'm against violent parent and I'm not even a parent So I don't even know why I'm involved in this but I think it's just yeah, I know right I think to me I could It was for people to say that if you spank your kids that you were violent and here's something else Not violence right Here hold on here's something else is that not all children are created equal right? I know we want to think that all people no no some kids There are some children some people respond, you know better to some forms of punishment Other children you can they can respond to to to other forms of punishment But to cause thinking your children, you know beating or violence I think it's disingenuous and I and to be honest with you and I'm not saying that this is This is the case with step on but I think that the reason why a lot of parents won't spank their kids is because they're afraid to And keep it real kids no no no come on We have to the beginning of wisdom is to call things by that proper names It is a violent action because if you try it against an adult you'll end up in jail Yes, but there's a difference between a child and an adult right donovan And then the difference is that children should be worthy of greater moral considerations than an adult I believe that you should be more hesitant to hit a child than hit an adult because a child is is is impressionable I know for a fact that staphon has done a lot of work on his channel about this issue way more than we could get into In the show like video like probably hundreds of videos on it. So I think we should kind of leave the you know Everybody's watching and go to staphon's channel. It's huge. It's got thousands of videos. Check it out I just don't like calling it hitting. I think that's yeah, but let's let's agree to disagree here And you know why you don't like it Yeah, let's go on to the next caller and get more back focused on what show our show is about The uh, the next caller erico 201 and 200 oh boy erico 200 is back Uh staphon that might be your guy calling about the uh I think so. It's the same number erico 201. You're on live with the red man group. Go ahead Here we go 201. I would like your I would like your opinion on uh, mid towels versus in cells like Oh Right, I think I won bus with bingo on that erico Erico 200 you're on live with the red man group Hello, hello, brother. Um, yeah, so I wanted to challenge staphon well new's position on how to parent control Right, it becomes very obvious to me that children increasingly Are becoming way more violent way more undisciplined and you can see this with like scd's increasing um, the generosity increasing and all these bad things in society increasing And you have a daughter and I think you should know that when she grows up You're not going to be able to reason with her right reason you uh, you don't want to bring my daughter into this conversation But I'm happy to talk principles, but you do not want to bring my daughter into this conversation Listen, I I didn't I didn't hang up on him. I muted him because he's okay. No, that's that's he can keep going with the abstracts but you know just Leave my daughter out of it, but go ahead. I understand. I just want to make sure this guy doesn't fill the bus because we get a Lot of people I don't mind the question. That's fine. Okay. All right. I just don't like it when people just talk through people that Yeah, okay, go ahead caller. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, brother. I didn't mean to bring up your dog I just thought it was relevant, right? I apologize for that. That's fine. That's fine. Just go ahead with the question I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan. So I'm just saying like it'll make sense to me how you would raise the children without Without disciplining them, right? I know you call it violence, but I don't agree with that man. I think I You carry him up So I'll just give my my my little bit on this right so no we can't vid game one Vid game one says do we not vet the callers beforehand? No, this is this is just Listen, it's a fine question. It's a great question. It's an important question. And I'm glad that that he raised it So what is what is going wrong with with kids at the moment? Well Um, you know saying well, there's a lack of spanking. No, this there's still the majority of parents the vast majority of parents Still spank their children that it is I'm so so saying that somehow it's an absence of spanking Look at all the other variants or variables that have changed over the past say 50 years, right? Okay, so you have Uh diversity and multiculturalism which destroys Neighborhood trust and kids play inside all the time because parents are nervous to have them roam the neighborhoods That's well documented. You can look up the Putnam studies For all of that you have the rise of the daycare generation kids being dumped into daycare Which is very harmful to their development you have women going out to work Which means that there are fewer parental resources available to negotiate with and deal with children and model better behavior You have massive rises in taxes, which is really really harming the middle class and kids are dropping out of the middle class You have falling qualities of education Partly is the result of diversity and problems with languages and illegal immigration and you name it And the fact that so much of education dollars goes through this ridiculous bloated overhead rather than actually Teaching children you have a rise in divorce, which is catastrophic for children and their well-being You have the virtual evisceration or emasculation of primary school teachers So the vast majority of them are women and women are not great at teaching little boys You know it's funny because the feminists say well a girl can never imagine being a scientist unless she sees 4,000 examples of female scientists, but somehow Women can raise boys no problem. So you can look at just a wide variety of things Look at the self-hatred that is poured into american and western communities by the leftists who say It's patriarchy. It's a racist society men are terrible. It's toxic patriarchy. It's toxic masculinity Look at all the kids who are getting drugged in schools Particularly little boys because they don't enjoy just sitting there and staring at their pencils The amount of pressures being put on children the amount of dysfunction that is layered upon children to say Well, it all just comes down to spanking is missing all of the other variables and focusing on entirely the wrong things I totally agree and let me ask you something because this i i'd never thought about this until now you say And actually women primarily raise our boys They raise them primarily in the home single mothers mom being the dominant figure in the household instead of men Do you think and again? This is me just kind of kind of spitball in here Do you think that spanking do you think that spanking was sort of invented because female parents Didn't really know how to discipline because again if there's a kid who was raised by a single father My guess is that the father doesn't have to spank his kids because the kids You know the the kids to me probably respect the father enough to know okay I better not cross this guy right every everybody knows that the woman hits and the father glares Right, I mean in general on average and women do hit Children more than men men have a kind of authority whether it's the deep voice whether it's the size Whether it's the assertiveness whether it's the testosterone. I don't know But when you take male authority out of the household child abuse tends to increase I mean the the data is absolutely staggering That the children of single mothers are over 30 times more likely to be abused and uh, it's it's absolutely retching Single motherhood is an absolute disaster for society as a whole a lot of your fans.  I've seen very few, uh, it sounds like you're negotiating well. Yes. Yeah, thank you topics is triggering as uh discussing like, you know, uh It is the it is the violence that we have experienced if we have experienced violence It's I mean, I I don't go out there and have people hit me in the street I I know some people would like to but it doesn't the violence that we have all experienced I don't I don't hit within the home as children So of course as the the violence that we've experienced most when the topic comes up people get quite Energetic about it and this is and again like like I got no problem with you like I met you you're you're you're I mean as far as I know you're you're you're a nice guy I'm looking forward to meeting you down there at 21 and taking pictures all that we'll just agree to disagree Erico 200 again. It looks like Erico 200 Lighting up Sweden, baby. I don't understand what's happening here Oh The learning curve remains somewhat flat I have no idea what this guy is trying anyway Erico'd 513 You're alive with the red man Hi, uh, my name is Eric good. I'm 17 in Ohio Um, I just wanted to say, you know, I really appreciate all the content You know donovan and I just found out about stuff and so I'm going to go check out his content but my question is You know being 17 I being fairly new to all this content and all this all this information I was really confused when you went to marriage. You're the one asking you know traditionally That's how it is and how do you still maintain the leverage? And continue that into a you know a healthy marriage Without you choose an honorable woman who's going to keep her word Just as she expects you to keep your word and if you have an honorable woman, you know, they're they're I've been in business for I've been an entrepreneur for I don't know a quarter century There are people that you have handshake deals with because you trust them There are people who ask me to do stuff like Mike Cernovich asked me to be in his hoaxed movie Which you should all check out at hoaxedmovie.com. Yeah, I just flew out and did it Well, we didn't need a contract We didn't need anyway So there's some people that you just trust because they're honorable people And so if you choose an honorable woman, she is going to keep her word because she values her honor She values her integrity. She values her virtue and just as you will keep your word So it's not about leverage because if you feel like you have to have leverage over someone to have them do the Right thing It's probably the wrong relationship Let me ask you this Stefan because I think this is there's there's a good follow-up question here I agree with you 100 you pick an honorable woman and we were actually starting to get into this off the air So what are some of the now we start to get into the solutions, right? Okay Stefan there there are hardly any honorable women here. We know that I endorse that 100% So what are the vetting procedures that you need to put a woman through to make sure she's an honorable woman? Gage her level of self-knowledge gauge her capacity to talk about things other than herself Gage her history of being charitable and kind and generous to those around her gauge her level of Responsibility when it comes to money gauge her capacity to plan ahead and follow through and see things through like if she's got a half Completed basket weaving degree and thirty thousand dollars in debt This is not a woman who's very good at planning and you're going to end up having to pick up a lot of the pieces Look at her capacity to just basically do something helpful I'll give you a tiny story because these things are really really important when I look back upon them Right, so I'd gone on a couple of dates with the woman who was going to become my wife And she said can you hang out this later today?    Do you walk on water as well? Just little things like that. Is she productive? Is she helpful? Is she is she useful? Is she a good conversationalist has she read books, you know other than you know airport novels and so on Just just look for signs of quality and signs of integrity and signs of helpfulness And look for that great gift of femininity, which is a lack of resentment towards men I remember going when I was learning how to roll a blade I remember rollerblading down by the by the lake in Toronto and I ended up rollerblading next to this woman You could tell she was a feminist and you know, but she we had a nice chat We were just talking about the beautiful day and we were talking about how cool Toronto can be and all that kind of stuff And I remember her looking over at me like That's weird.  I mean, we're in an isolated position. I mean, but I remember her just continually glancing at me enjoying the conversation and being really surprised By the fact that she was enjoying the conversation. Yeah, that's not someone you want to try and be programmed So those are a couple of tips that I would have I can comment on that too that when I went to Poland for my first time earlier this year I spent 10 days there back in March to scout out hotels and stuff for the conference we had And I was impressed and amazed with the the vibe and the positivity I felt from woman there Look for a Christian woman knight or woman who was raised Christian. That's a that's a pretty good sign Wait, but specifically though the lack of resentment and tension Not good. Yeah, so it just came to mind when he's talking about that. I might have a question to follow up to for staphon uh, so staphon so Smanking or no smanking. Can you talk to us about the relationship? independent of it however it goes He talks about the relationship of childhood trauma of any type as it relates to men and women You know entering their 20s and 30s and seeking out relationships and the opposite sex Like how does that play into uh personality development and what we seek out in life? I know it's more 45 seconds or less. All right Listen to people people who've been abused as a child end up as devils or gods There's almost nothing in between and childhood abuse gives you an incredible opportunity to become not just a normal person But a vastly better person than average But it also has the capacity to turn you into a monstrous manipulator and destroyer of lives So, uh, you know if somebody has been abused as a child that to me does not write them off as a potential dating partner A friend or anything like that But it means I have to be really alert to the fork in the road that they've taken Have they taken the high road or have they taken the low road? It is an absolute fact to me at least that I would be nowhere near as good a father as I am If I had not had as bad a mother as I did because she taught me everything about what not to do And that is actually a painful but very very important lesson So yeah childhood trauma can lead you to depths of self knowledge and self control And self awareness that it's scarcely possible to achieve if you've not been abused like just Somebody who's had to dress their own wounds in a battlefield knows a whole lot more about the human body than somebody Who's never had to do that kind of stuff. So you have a great potential for uh intimacy and security and connection with people if they've done the work if they've learned The effects of the abuse upon them if they've uh extracted the right ethics out of having been harmed as children And they've made that commitment to never ever repeat the abuse that they have suffered and hopefully to proselytize to a hungry world how to feed itself with virtue So, uh, it has a very strong development and it can go for very good or for very ill But there's usually not much in between And by abuse you mean both uh, it could be active. It could be verbal abuse. It could be physical abuse But it could also be passive and like neglecting things here, right? Oh, but the neglect is often the worst Because if you get hit First of all, someone's paying attention to you which is why and kids kids would rather be valuable to their parents Is punching bags they're not valuable to them at all because that's nature wanting to Provide value from parent to child from child to parent But neglect is really really tough Because it leaves a bruise that's so white. It's like the color of your whole body so to speak And it's really hard to differentiate if you get yelled at screamed at hit and so on that's one thing But if you just ignored, uh, it's really really tough And I you know, I have really the greatest sympathy for kids who are the victims of neglect outside of of course Ranked sexual abuse and so on And I bring this up because it's been my theory of the past maybe year and a half that most men who find the Manusphere find it they come from dysfunctional homes of some type Obviously like they like to father, you know, literally or figuratively. He was neglectful ignored He was the push over guy of no spine Whatever the case may be a lot of guys find the manusphere because of My opinion because of that kind of childhood trauma of some sort And then a lot of times, you know, they end up in toxic relationships with borderlines, you know, the women's personality disorders BPD lots of things like that. So it kind of came to mind here And you talk about uh parenting and childhood and these things and I really think Especially if you're the kid of divorce and you have some Tengful bloody toothed valkyrie of a mom constantly Bullying and dominating your father using the court system and so on It's really hard to grow up with a sense of masculine strength and respect when you just see the cops constantly showing up at your dad's place And why would you trust women or everyone to form, you know, a relationship? I just saw an example of it I think the manusphere is filled with dudes like that It's something I've come even whether it's the Pickfartist community, the mcthouse, the rep hope community Even the men's rights activists. I think a lot of this Comes out of that. So thanks for your comments on that. Yeah, let me temptation can lead to great virtue. Sorry. Go ahead Yeah, let me push back a little bit on the religion thing. You said that Men should look for a woman in the church and I would agree with you probably maybe 65 to 70 years ago But and I'm not an overly religious person now But the church is in the shit and I think I think it's fairly obvious and this is all to me This is all the nominations The church even the catholic church has been has become highly feminized that they they they pander to women And in my experience and the experience of a lot of people I talk to The worst kind of women go to church So what do you say to the argument that okay? You may say you want a good christian woman But oftentimes these are the worst women out there because of the way christianity has been sort of bastardized and mutated You mean they're like, yeah, I mean, I'll just have to defer to youth on this one because When I grew up as a as a christian as a devout christian My the women who were around who went to church were some of the greatest women that I've ever known like my my aunts in particular, I think I have like four aunts And they they were really wonderful and powerful and generous women and they were all taking me to church all the time So, yes, maybe things have changed quite a bit. I will defer to your Experience yeah, absolutely. Yeah.  This is like i'm having i'm having a hard time dating women Let me go to the church to see if I can find a god-fearing women And they come across the same types of women they say that they play the same games They play them even better because they're around other women that endorse this kind of behavior And then the preacher sleeping with women and all this other kind of stuff I just think you have to be very careful when you advise men I just think you have to be very careful when you advise men Look for a woman who is religiously devout because I will say I will say this to you stefan Women aren't really religious women follow only what the strongest men follow Women don't follow god because they just decided to women follow god because men follow god Women join cults because men are the men are the cult leaders women only follow what the strongest men follow So if the strongest men are following something that is feminizing them this explains in large part why so many females are using women in the church I don't agree that so many women are followers, but I certainly appreciate the correction regarding the church And I'll I'll look more into it. You could I'm sure you're right, but I I'll look more into it What comes to mind on that is ddj's book The feminist lies that you see feminism allying with like radical islam and stuff And that's a really bizarre combination at face value, but behind the scenes fundamentally if they can make Well, not not if you understand that the feminism does not have the goal of liberating women, but And of course it's gonna lie itself with the radical ideologies Because being in the u.s There was a remarkable difference between what I experienced here Compared to poland and going from church to church to church You're seeing catholic church in this case But terribly terribly divided vigils And so I think there was a remarkable difference to what's being apostatized in the individual church compared to one culture to another And I think there's a superficiality with american religion Yeah, the catholic church in poland's way more serious than it is in america now. I think a long time ago in america it was like that So I have one thing to add when you guys are done. Yeah, go ahead ddj. What you got? So so here's the thing. Um, so stefan when you're looking at the church in western culture look for complementarianism That's that's been one of the ways that a lot of feminists have practiced entryism into the church And when it comes, I don't know what the complementarianism means It's basically it's this idea that women and men should be equal in the church And it's been promoting like a lot of feminist pastors and things like that And so you see these pastors teaching things like abortion is good and it's taught in the bible and that kind of stuff So there's a lot of a lot of what a lot of traditional christians would consider heresy Now the the other thing I would say too and this is directed to donovan Donovan I agree with you when it comes to a lot of the women and a lot of the churches in the modern times But I would also like to let you know too That there are a lot of traditionalist christians who are pushing back Against that sort of attitude and so I know like the catholic church is in turmoil right now But part of it is not just because of all the stuff that's come out But it's also because there are a lot of fundamentalist catholics out there Who are actually pushing back against what they see is heresies happening in the church and happening across christianity We see this in some of the other denominations as well I just kind of wanted to put that out there because I follow doll rock which is a blogger who talks extensively about this He's extremely knowledgeable And so, you know, but but there is there is A voice now that is pushing back against a lot of the stuff that a lot of traditional christians see as heresy Um, I'll end it with this. I'll actually say this In in my estimation feminism to me it has two main goals I think is I think the first goal is the transference of resources from men to women And the second goal is to remove the sexual strains from women from upon women while shackling men with sexual strains So I guess the last question goes to you stefan Is the tide turning is there because you seem to have a very um, and this is good We've got to have guys that that have a positive outlook guys like me. I skew towards the negative end Just because that's just the kind of guy i am i'm a glass half empty guy I'm not ashamed or afraid to say it.  Yes gentlemen We are the tide What do you we will be things like bubbles or leaves floating on the water? We are the time No, seriously. I mean there's no right rather than what we will there's no General social movement other than what we will society is a giant inverted pyramid that rests on the brains of about 30 people on the planet So, I mean be the tide don't try and write anything go out and make the future that you want Is it gonna succeed? I don't know But i'm damn well not gonna hold one jewel of energy back from trying to change things Sure, of course And why why say that there's some social movement that we have to be we be the social movement We'd be the tide be the storm be the change This idea that that there's optimism or pessimism. I mean that's prejudging an outcome that you damn well control It's like saying well, i'm not really optimistic about whether i'm gonna work out today It's like, you know, you're in control of that right and look at society that way Most society is filled by people who just follow the strongest most eloquent most energetic and hopefully most consistent voice That's out there be that voice And you can be the tide and then you don't have to write anything because you are the horse Right, i'm not asking about me writing things what i'm what i'm asking. I guess I need to ask it more plainly Feminism obviously has has polluted america right america's one big feminist cesspool Is america moving away from feminism? And if it's not moving away from feminism aside from i guess just podcast and You know radio shows what's it going to take and do you think it's going to happen in our lifetime? Well, there's no way the current and you guys are mostly younger than me There's no way the current system is going to survive even my lifespan let alone Okay, yours. No, listen, sadly sadly How does how do human beings learn right? How do the human beings learn they either learn through pain or they learn through wisdom Right and so what is going to cause change? Well, the data is accumulating women are more and more and more miserable And simply pointing this out is is every single decade that feminism has been around women have got More and more unhappy now, of course what the mainstream media is trying to do is tuck away all these women So that you can't see them or the women like a quarter of the women in in uh, England over 40 have no kids right and a lot of them are horribly regretful and in great Emotional agony and that emotional agony is going to last for another 40 or 50 years from them So given how unhappy women are at the destruction of the family Given how unhappy men are at the destruction of of the labor ethic The first thing the media has to do is hide these women away So that they don't act as a giant warning sign to the next generation of women saying don't do this Don't do this. They shall not pass So what I do, of course on on twitter and in my shows is I bring these women's stories to the forefront and I talk about How miserable women are if they don't settle down and have families and I talk about how miserable men are If they don't settle down and have families because we've all been given This incredible gift of life that is a culmination of four billion years of evolution and an astonishingly improbable series Of coincidences So the idea that it just ends with us and we're not going to pass it forward We all benefit from having been born so damn well go out and pay it forward and give birth to Do others and continue the chain of life. So if we show enough miserable people If we show enough unhappy people, it's painful for them. I get it. I get all of that But you know, it's like the guy who's smoking out of the hole in his throat going around a school saying don't smoke kids It's kind of important to see the end results because I don't know how many people are going to learn Through wisdom. I know that my listeners tend to but you know, they're not everyone in the world But if we continue to highlight just how miserable women are how miserable men are in the current system at least a recoil from unhappiness and the pursuit of Heediness and through wisdom that at least I think can dislodge and I think there is a lot of dislodging So I get a lot of pushback when I'm out there on twitter or out there giving speeches or out there on youtube And I point out these basic facts But man does it ever spread like crazy When it gets out there and a lot of women get really mad at me a lot of men get really mad at me And you wouldn't believe the number of emails I get six months later would like, yeah, you know what? I settled down and I'm pregnant. Sorry. I was so mad. I mean this is what keeps me going Everyone's like, how do you keep going with all these wine aunts Kavetching at you from dawn till dusk and it's like because you know, I know in six months They'll be a lot happier and they'll they'll thank you If I got onto this, yeah donovan Based on your original question donovan with regards to positivity negativity glass. I've empty half full I'm looking at a 13 star american flag right now in my home a lot of studio here And I look at the battle they thought and finding this country as a much more difficult battle than we face and Defeating feminism and building a better more masculine feature a more positive feature for the united states and for the west And I think it's what we're all doing in a way whether or not you personally are on board with that to that You know positivity extent I think that's what's happening when you educate when you encourage men to take command of their lives to take ownership and to embrace a reason That's what happens. You make better life yourself and then later on, you know, I mean donovan you're like 40 now. I think right you too Yeah, yeah, so I mean, you know your thoughts of I don't know But I'm 31 tomorrow and my thoughts at you know 30 31 are a lot different that they were 21 Absolutely So things change over time, but More importantly, I think the battle that we're facing in philosophy and in culture and with all these, you know Families and all these things masculinity and femininity Our battle is tough.  A feminism is a multi trillion dollar empire that controls most of the west But this is a battle we can win and I think that's why we're still speaking and talking having conferences and meeting engaging And you know, women are getting pregnant people are going to families men are leading families men are turning things around In a marriage it's about to fail We read about that all the time. I'm like married ripo, for example, that little community a little sub community of the ripo community So yeah, there's a lot of positivity and there's a lot of reason But it's the thing you have to do on your own too Like I think Stefan has a fundamentally different position on it than you do And that's a series of choices and convictions. He's made that, you know, over the course of his life And that's I think where I'm heading in my life, but uh, that is what it is So yeah I mean, I wish I could be um, who knows maybe when I'm 52, maybe I'll be as optimistic Um, no, I just have a kid Yeah Listen guys, this was a hell of a show man Um, I And what I love dude what I love about these shows now is that we're not a circle jerk We're not just some echo chamber where everybody just agrees. No, sorry. There's a reason I'm zoomed in but but okay, go ahead Thank you, but I like I like how you know, I've been on the show too long George bruto said it best man. He said this is iron sharpening iron We're all gonna I like the fact that we can all just disagree and we can just all get in and and And the fact that we're men see when women do this, they don't like each other anymore But men we can disagree and we can have discord and we can have discourse and I don't even know if I said that Right, but then at the end of the day, we all know that we're on the same side We all want we all want the same things. We might take different paths to get there Or we might have different opinions on different things But guess what something caused us all to be right here today on this show at this day in this time Um, and I think the same can be said about the 21 convention So I think I speak for everyone when I say Stefan is going to be an excellent addition To what to team 21 the 21 condition condition Convention you definitely make guys think you definitely make them stretch their cerebral muscles a little bit I know you you certainly made me stretch mine You think I'm good in studio, man You should see me crown now. You should see me live. Good. Good. This is it again It's good to have disagreements because I don't want guys to come in here And think that they know what they can expect Right the the one thing that you can expect is that we endorse traditional masculinity There might be different avenues to get there, but I think we're all on the same side In that bottom line way. So, um, so again, uh, Stefan, thanks for making the time for us today Anthony, thanks for throwing this thing together. Of course, you guys all know I'm on a I'm on a little bit of a hosting hiatus because I'm dealing with some Issues out here in in philly, but um, I I'm not going to be able to host next week Or probably not the week after uh, but it was good of anthony to reach out to me and uh, you know Come on and and and host this Stefan. You are definitely as advertised. Let's do one more around robin here. Um What you have, uh, you know plan for this next week steve. Let me start with you You've got the man minds that i'm sorry the red pill mindset on monday evening at eight eastern, correct? yeah, and uh, uh, the we have a On your hiatus myself and george bruno or doing the red. Oh, thank god. Okay. Good. George is the man. All right. Good I didn't want you guys replacing me with some knucklehead. No Friday night said a p.m. Steve friday night's a p.m. Yesterday fridays it so so mondays and fridays at eight o'clock eastern Steve the dean right here Socrates, um my red hat. I actually ended up with two copies. I don't know if somebody gave one to me I may or may not have stolen one. I don't know. It's amazing. I had 25 on one spot. It came back and they were gone And I love it. Uh, the faster those taking it on there The better very good very good any plans this upcoming week anything you're going to be working on up to the 21 convention Or can we recruit them for the 21 convention? Uh doing my red hat trying to get that out there There's a pediatric offices that wants to have about I think a half dozen We're going to make sure they get them Uh and and just kind of promote the general material all over all Excellent. Excellent. Anthony, uh, you're up to your eyeballs in 21 convention. Is there anything now again? Remember 9 99 guys That's going to be the special for the next what 45 hours and 28 minutes or whatever And basically I'm pointing the strippers to go to uh, anthony's uh house I've had enough for a lifetime. I'm done then I accidentally married a hoker family doesn't know a couple years ago. Hey, you got any on that It was a revealed issue. Stefan sometime go on youtube and type marrying the douce and you'll find an interesting speech You know at a bachelor party. I think you're supposed to stay a bachelor, but all right. Yeah Devon, don't do it The next 60 days exactly i'm preparing for our final convention of the decade It is the 18th edition of the 21 convention. We just had their 17th in poland about a month ago And beyond that of preparing for next year's events preparing tickets for the patriarch convention next year in the spring The second edition Uh tanner guzzi one of our alumni speakers would be the keynote of that instead of hunter drew this time Beyond that we're also preparing for the 22 convention make one great again That'll be going on at the same time in the spring the same weekend the events will be combined with different audiences And women have to go to 22 men go to 21 patriarch and all that there's no cross compatibility between that No, no for the business. Well, I mean, we'll see that'll probably happen. No matter what I do That's this life taking this course We're preparing also for the 21 convention in poland next summer again, not to be in krakoff this time Uh, not in worcester but krakoff another city beautiful city I spent about a week there after the poland convention in worcester and it was absolutely amazing I get to roshowitz and see the city meet hotels and all that And so that's what's going on preparing uh three events for as well as a fourth event later in 2020 I bought that so my up to my balls in it. I'm looking forward to fuck. Yeah. I love the challenge I love becoming the best man that I can be and the 21 convention is a personal avenue for me to do that And then put it out to the world Just like the final is talking about with uh, what do you say becoming a god or a devil? I think from a very traumatic childhood And this this company's been a avenue for me to do that So I'm very excited to do it and bring together the best man in the world the best speakers in the world Foreman this coming october in florida Excellent. Um, yeah, I've got uh, I've got an I've got uh some some pretty Interesting shows coming up. Uh, there was a guy did something on the bachelorette And there was a guy who said that hannah b was a boss in this net the other so i'm gonna break that guy down He apparently is a guy who has the youtube channel that tells women how to get attractive men And he is leading women astray. He is he's almost like the uh, the fox guarding the hen house So um, so that should be interesting other than that same old same old working on my book I plan to have that out here within the next Three weeks to a month And so that's what i've got going on here. Uh, stefan, what have you got going on? Do you drop in any additional episodes to your uh, to your documentary series? Yeah, we're putting one out a week in general. So it's usually Friday nights 10 p.m Eastern 7 p.m. Pacific because of course it's about California and yeah, people can check out my latest book called essential philosophy at essential philosophy dot com Or the argument at order the argument dot com at free domain radio dot com There's a whole bunch of free books if people want to know more about what I talked about I've pretty much laid it out in in enjoyable but painstaking detail and just of course For those who want to come see me uh 60 days. I'll be at the 21 convention And i'm not just a guy who bungees in and bungees out I'll sit we'll chat I uh, I'm not uh there with security and and sitting in the green room. So Well, maybe there was security, but I won't just be sitting in the green room and um Oh, no, just just follow me uh free domain radio dot com or you can go to youtube.com forward slash free domain radio I try and drop a video a day. So Do that and last but not least since i'm a donation