to making sense of Verso. So I realized after I named this program that who knows what Verso is unless you work here, but Verso is the name of our catalog. And that's the name that the company which provides the software that we use gave it. So essentially what we're talking about today is making sense of the catalog. And we changed our cataloging systems in the very end of April. So for many years we used a system called Follett Destiny which I'm sure you're all familiar with and we kept that for many, many years but for a variety of reasons the library really needs to update to something which was better suited for a public library and we hoped more useful in certain ways for our patrons. So we'll see, we've certainly been answering a lot of questions and something like this we hope to answer more questions as well. So my name is Steve Faccasio I'm the Head Circulation Librarian here. I provided my contact information there up on the screen and you're more than welcome to contact me at any point if you have any questions. I'm happy to answer. I've answered a lot of questions through email or phone, done at both. So feel free to reach out to me if you'd like. So with the first time that you access, I'm sorry, let me start with something else real quick. So the catalog is web based so you would be accessing it through the internet and one thing which is a little different from our old system is you can get to it from any internet browser that you use with the exception of Internet Explorer. Internet Explorer is just getting a bit old now and Microsoft is phasing it out so when the company made Verso they chose not to make it compatible with Internet Explorer because Microsoft has a new web browser now. So if you're using Internet Explorer which is the lighter colored E it actually won't work for you and I'll show you what happens. You'll actually just get a blank screen. So if you've seen this if you've tried to get to the catalog and you just get a totally blank screen like this it might be because you're using Internet Explorer. Now to make things complicated Microsoft didn't make their new browser something very different sounding they called it Microsoft Edge and it also has an E symbol but it's a slightly darker E. So it's this one down here. Where did you say how can you tell if you've got Internet Explorer? Well it's hard to, I mean if you have like it down here in your task bar down here if you hover your mouse over it and just leave it there it will come up with the word. I wonder on my phone what I've got. Yeah and that's the thing too. Like how do you get to the catalog? A lot of folks don't pay much attention. You know you probably have one browser if it's a phone or if it's a computer you probably just have one browser and it works for pretty much everything but that is just one slight problem with accessing the catalog is you can't do it through Internet Explorer. So today I'm gonna be using Google Chrome. Google Chrome is available for any computer as well as any smartphone or tablet as well. It tends to work really well with the catalog but like I said the catalog will work on any browser with the exception of my Internet Explorer. So I'm starting here at the library's website which is KelloggHovered.org and on your handout here that's the very first step. Go to www.KelloggHovered.org. You can choose as we get further along to make a bookmark that's specifically for the catalog but the first time you go into the catalog you wanna start at KelloggHovered.org and if you choose not to use a bookmark or you just don't wanna do that sort of thing you can always start from KelloggHovered.org. And you'll see that there's two catalog related options on the screen. There's Search Our Catalog which is pretty self-explanatory and then there's Login as well and both of those options take you to the exact same place which is the catalog. The only reason we offered both is that we used to have a login option on our website for the old catalog and we wanted to kind of continue that so people who were used to clicking Login could still click Login and then we thought the Search Our Catalog just sort of was a bit more direct and kind of the language made more sense. So either of those buttons will take you to the catalog and when you click on them it'll open a totally new tab for you and this is what the catalog looks like. Now I'm gonna go through the whole login process so how you can find your account, how you can see what you have checked out, what you have on reserve, if you wanna renew something, all of that stuff but I wanna stop here real quick just to say if all that you wanna do is just search the catalog. You just wanna see, I wonder if the library has such and such a book. You don't have to log in to find that information out. You can just search right here, right now, right at the top here and this is also how you'll find the computers in the library that always have the catalog on their screen. That's what they look like and so when you're in the library you certainly don't have to log in, you can just type in something and find out if we have it. So let me go through the steps for logging in. So you've clicked either log in or go to the catalog and here you are at the catalog and you'll see here, hello please log in and you'll click on that. Now it brings up this window here and it very nicely tells you you're already ready to go with the Kellogg Covered Library. You don't have to choose anything in that top box there but this first line doesn't say anything. So which is sort of just a strange little quark of the system but what it is is the username line and so if you had used Follett Destiny, if you've used our old catalog you had probably set up a login where you made a username for yourself. Maybe it was your first name or whatever you wanted to use. You could pick whatever you want. With this system, none of that information transferred over. So if you had an old login, unfortunately you've got to start from the beginning. It's starting from the beginning means using your library card number as your username. That's one of the key bullet points I want to stress that I mean. The library card number is your username. So I've got a library card and I'm going to type it in here and on the card itself there seems to be some spaces in between some of the numbers. I'm going to put it in without any spaces. It's a 14 digit number starts with a two. I'm going to put it in without any spaces. So I've typed in my username. Now for the password, everybody starts with the default password. So again your password didn't transfer over from the old system. Everybody starts with the default password and it's listed here on your handout under number three. It's KHL802 and KHL is lowercase. So that's your starting password right here. When you type it in, it won't show that. It will just show the dots. But that's what you're looking for. Now at this point, and this is your choice, you can click on this remember me box and it will remember you so that the next time you click, go to the catalog, it will provide you with your username password so you don't have to type it in again. Even before changing the password? Well that's the thing. So if you're going, if you're planning to change your password, you wouldn't want to do that right now. And if you're planning on changing your username, you wouldn't want to do that right now. You also wouldn't want to do that on the public computer obviously if someone else is using the computer and if you're in a household where multiple people have different library cards and you're all trying to log in to see yourself, probably wouldn't want to do that because you'd only be logging in as one person. So this happens to be a public computer. I'm not going to click remember me, but if I did, then that would save my information. You might also get a window that comes up from your browser and it will say, do you want to remember your login information for this website? And if you did, you would say yes. So it would be another way to remember your username and password. So when I click submit, I know that I was successful because it says hello. Now in this case, this is sort of a test account. So it has a weird name of active, but for your personal account, it would say hello and then your first name. So that's what it's telling me here. It's saying hello and then it's saying your account. So that your account there, that's your main menu. Anything about your account is listed under that word says your account. So if you click on that, it brings up your main menu.  So if I click on items out, I can see what I have checked out. And it will tell me a due date for each of these items. If it were overdue, it would tell me how much fines I would be charged for WACRI return these items. It tells me when I took the item out and it also tells me the basic information about the book, the title, the author and the call number. If I wanted to renew, I could click renew all. Now in this case, I just had to check these out not that long ago. So I can't renew a book that I checked out today. But if these were things that I checked out yesterday and I wanted to renew them, there would be a renew item here, a little button that would say renew item. And that would just be the difference.  If I click the single button, it would just renew the one item, depending on what I wanted. You may get a message that the item was not able to renew. And unfortunately the system's not gonna give you a lot of details about that. But it could be one of a number of reasons. One would be if somebody else has the item on hold. If somebody else has the item on hold, it just won't let you do it. The other would be if you've already renewed the item to the maximum number of times. So books, for example, can be renewed twice. So if you've already renewed them twice and you click on it again, it's gonna say I can't do it. And then the less likely scenario is that your account has expired. And this is sort of a weird thing. Other libraries do this too. And I wish we had different language for this. But all that means is that once a year, we have to confirm with each patron that you're still at the same address and that your contact information hasn't changed. And we do that for two reasons. One is we need to confirm the contact information so that if we ever need to get in touch with you to say, hey, your hold's ready, or something like that, we wanna make sure we can get in touch with you. And then the other reason is every year we have to report to our member towns how many people are using the library from East Montpelier and from Middlesex and et cetera like that. So we need to have that information as up to date as possible every year. So the result unfortunately for patrons means that accounts do expire every year. So even though if you live in the member towns you're not paying any money for an account, it still will expire once a year. So it could be that situation too. And then the final reason you wouldn't be able to renew something is if either your fines were over the maximum of $10, your total fines. Or if you hadn't returned a book, an overdue book in over a month and then you would be billed for that book in that case your account would be blocked and you wouldn't be able to return it. Those are the less likely scenarios. The more likely scenario is that just somebody has the book on hold. You can always give us a call or email if you want to renew something and you can and we can provide you the details and particularly if you think that there's some sort of mistake that has happened. Oh, I've only renewed that once. So if I go back into my menu here I can also look at the items I have on hold. Now in this case I have one item on hold and I place the item on hold today and I'm the first person in the queue which means I'll be the first person to get this item. And now this is the thing which kind of trips people up a lot. It will expire one year from today. And what that means is if there were just a hundred people on hold for this book and one whole year had passed and my beam hadn't come up on the list then the hold will just expire. Because the system is just assuming that after a year I wouldn't want to read it. But note that it's one year from today. I put the reserve 10, 21, 2019 and it expires 10, 21, 2020. A lot of people see that and think it's the same year and like well is it gonna expire at the end of the day and it's not, it's a whole year. You have a whole year and I can tell you it's never gonna expire. You'll get the book before the year is up. And then you can also cancel your hold if you decided you no longer wanted it. You could cancel your hold. And suspend hold would be if you didn't need it right now but you didn't want to take your name off the list completely because later on you'll want it again. That sort of thing if that were wherever pertinent to you. So lost item would just be if you had lost an item and paid for it, it would be listed there. Checkout history. This system does not record your checkout history by default. If you wanted to, you can click activate history or you can ask us at the desk or you can call us to do that. But by default the system is not gonna record your checkout history. If I had activated the history for this particular account I would show what I had checked out and then I could even break it down by year and all that kind of information. But by default it's not going to. This is a big change from our old system. By the old system was the opposite. By default it did record everybody's information and then you had to opt out of it. Now it's the opposite, now you have to opt in. So it's only the history since you had this new system it doesn't get back. Exactly, yep. And in fact it's actually the history from the moment you activated it. Right. Does that make sense? Can you click on that activate history? Sure, yeah. And then it just gives you a little warning that you're... And then in this case, I mean I only started checking things out on this card today. So it doesn't actually have any history because like I said, I checked things out or before I activated it. But if I were to go now and check something out it would show up. Does that make sense? Or if I were to come in tomorrow and check something out then it would show up. Okay. Okay. So active alerts. This is just how we know... Actually I apologize, I don't want to go into that. That's actually not something that would be relevant. And then fines would show if you had any fines in your account. So this is a little bit different from the checkout page. On the items checkout page, if you had something that was overdue it would show you how much fines will be added to your account once those items are checked in. This is sort of your running balance. So this is what's already on your card. If I had previously checked something out, kept it longer past this due date and then returned it, it would show like 25 cents or whatever it might be. So this, if you're wondering if you have current fines in your account that's what that would show. Okay. Great. Any questions about any of that stuff? Feel free to ask questions at any time. So that's all the stuff that you'll... Particularly the reserve renewals with items out and looking at your holds and that sort of stuff. Those are the most common things that you'll be looking at. So the other thing that I want to show you is your profile here. So under your settings and your profile here, what you see is the place where you can change your password and where you can enter a nickname. And let me explain what that means. So this is also written down here on the second portion of the handout. So like I was saying before, everybody starts with the default password of KHL802. Obviously, since everybody's sharing that password and it's not secretive, you would likely want to change that. So what you would do is you would just click here and you would type whatever you want. It doesn't have to, it's not character limited. It's, you don't have to have a certain number of numbers or anything like that. They can, whatever you want, whatever works for you.  And then your other option is if you don't like having your username be your 14 digit library card number, you can go to the bottom of the page and you can type something into nickname and that will essentially give you another username. That's basically what it's doing. Your username can always be your 14 digit library card number or you can also add an additional nickname. Now I say all this with the major caveat that those two functions changing your password and adding an nickname are not currently working. They were working for a long time from April until about a week ago and then they stopped working and I'm hoping that very soon they'll be working again. I've been in contact with the folks who run the software and they're aware that it's not working and they're holding cranks. So we can't change our password right now. Not as a right now. That's why we'd have to use this. Yes, but like I said, hopefully very, very soon this will function properly and I've seen it function properly for months so it definitely does work. But that's where you would change your password and if you wanted a different username, essentially you can use that nickname field. So let's see where we are. All right. So now let's talk about actually using the catalog itself as something to find out what's in the library. So this up at the very top of the screen, this up here at the very top of the screen is where you do your searching. And so let me just kind of run through what these different things are. Here it says all headings.  In this particular system they say all headings. But that's what we're talking about here. We're talking essentially equivalent of a keyword search. So if I type something in here like New York, it's gonna search every item in this building that might say the word New York in it and it's probably gonna give you lots and lots of results. And now there might be a situation. In fact, there's probably lots of situations where that's useful for you. So I got 42,000, yeah. And so there's a lot probably, particularly if you're looking for something very specific like a word or a place name or something that's not gonna come up in a lot of item records that could be useful for you. And I certainly do a lot of all heading or keyword searches at the desk depending on what people are asking for. So that's the default. It's gonna default to that. But I can change it so that I can just search for an author, I can just search for a title, I can just search for a subject. There's also all these other things but those are the three things I'm gonna talk about tonight. Because I think those are the most useful and the most obvious. If you misspell something, does it figure that out or it won't give you it? So this is an interesting feature of this system as opposed to our old system. This system unfortunately doesn't have that Google function where it says, did you mean such and such? Unfortunately it doesn't have that. What it does have is it will suggest things. So if you start typing something and it thinks it knows what it might be, it will say, it will kind of provide something underneath that white box that sort of like finish it for you. Now one of the interesting things about that is even if it suggests something, that doesn't mean that it's here in this building. It might mean that another library somewhere else has it. So that's sort of a bit of a double-edged sword with that. Whereas it's nice to have that additional thing because particularly if you're not certain 100% about the spelling, it might provide you with the spelling or something like that. But it doesn't 100% mean that it's in this building. So you might say, oh great, yes, that was what I wanted. And then you click on it and it says no results found. Well what does that mean? Why would it suggest something that it doesn't have? But that's why. Because essentially what it's doing is that suggestion, those suggestions that it's getting, it's pulling from all the libraries that use this system. But naturally we only have this website set up to only look at the Kellogg-Covered Library. So that's sort of like the kind of strange situation. So those suggestions are great and I like using them myself. Just kind of be aware that ultimately you're only searching the Kellogg-Covered Library in this. So those suggestions might always get you a result. Okay. What about if I type just half a word? So it will give me suggestions? If you just type half a word, it depends on the word. I mean I can just like try something. Like if I start, yeah. I mean it depends on what it is that I'm not really sure how far you have to go before it starts giving you suggestions. And like I said, it's kind of one of the things where, well, I'll talk about search strategies in here too. So like if you're not 100% certain what the full title is or something like that, we can talk about that too. So like see up there for one of the under there, the titles of things. Like one says Fahrenheit 451. So if you typed in say Fahrenheit 401, what would happen? Would it just say no, don't have it or would it suggest something, the right one? It's probably gonna say nothing. Like as in no results, but we can test it. Oh, I did get it. So there you go. But actually this is sort of an interesting question which is is it pulling it because of the word Fahrenheit or is it pulling it, you know, so let's just, this does experiment here and let's just search Fahrenheit. Yeah. So this is the other thing about the searches. So if I put in a two or three or however many words search, it's searching each individual word which is both a good thing and a bad thing depending on how specific you wanna be. And we can talk about it if you really know exactly what the title is or exactly what the author's name is, we can talk about how to specifically just search that. But in that case, like you could have the number wrong but have that first word right and still get the result because it's searching for each item, each word in the search. So in that sense, like, you know, depending, you can have sort of like almost the right title and still get something. All right. So for a title search, now let's say I know specifically that I'm looking for a book called New York Burning and if I do a title search and in this case, I only get one result. We only have one book that has those three exact words. And in this case, it has a longer title but I got exactly what I wanted. Now, which is great. Now let's say I couldn't remember the title but I remember the author. I can do it like that. I can do first name then last name. And in this case, we have multiple books by that particular author but here it is again. So I found it. And then just sort of depending what you might be used to in terms of looking at library catalogs, you can also do the inverse where you can put the last name and then the first name and you'll get the exact same results. You have to put the comma in there. Yeah, if you're doing it that way but like you can also just do the normal way with your first name rather than last name but you'll get the exact same results. It can tell what you're looking for. Well, if you say you remembered the last name but you couldn't remember the first name or maybe you just remembered the first letter. Yeah, so like I can do that and it should give me the same results. Oh, that didn't work. But we'll pour it just the last name will. So just the last name will definitely get me the results. Now obviously there might be a situation where this happens to be not a super common last name but if it's Smith, that's not gonna be as helpful to you. And what about name and initial, does it work? So we just tried name and first initial and that didn't work. So let me show you subject and then we'll kind of talk about sort of building searches with different pieces. So let's say I couldn't remember the author's name and I couldn't remember the title but I remember that it's a book about a slave revolt in New York City. If I do subject search and then I do something like that and there it is, I can find the book. Subject searching is, I find super helpful. However, I should mention, the subjects are determined by the Library of Congress meaning that there's a very specific subject for each thing. So there's, I'll show you here. The subjects are listed in the catalog record and in this case there's a specific subject for slave revolts in New York. So for something like that, I'm likely to get it but if you're looking for say like a medical thing and but you put in a slightly different word for the exact same medical condition or whatever it might be, if it's not the official subject language, it's not probably not gonna get it. So the subject search is good and bad. I like to use them a lot actually but particularly as somebody, it says I'm just looking for a book on some so I find them really helpful and they can really lead you to other books on the same subject and sort of stuff. So there's times when a subject search is helpful and there's times when you just wanna wade into the vastness of all headings or keyword search because we were gonna get potentially thousands of results. So let's talk about what if I know only pieces of the various things. So I know the title has the word New York in it and I know the author's first name is Jill and I know that it's about slave revolts. So I'm gonna do all heading and I'm gonna just put all that stuff in there and let's see if we get anything and there it came out. So if you know just pieces, the all heading can be good, particularly the more information you can give to it because the all heading can also bring up thousands of thousands of results if it's something kind of vague. The other way you could do that is there's this advanced button up here and the advanced button, it's essentially another way to type that same information in. So if you click on it, it just gives you boxes like this so I can type in New York here and I can specifically tell it. I know that's in the title and then I can tell it Jill and then I know that's in the author. But again, you certainly don't have to do this if you don't want to but you can do the much simpler, just use the one big box up here. But all this is available to you and then some people are used to, this is sort of when library catalogs first went electric or this is a weird thing to say, but when they transitioned from physical card catalogs to electronic catalogs, this thing was this type of thing was very common and it was called Boolean searching and so you might be familiar with this sort of searching from that but if you're not, I would just say use the one big box in the top but this is sort of what library, early library catalog searching used to look like. Okay, so let's do a really general search and when we get thousands of results and then let's say, okay. So let's say I just do a really general search and I get thousands of results but the way that I want to pair this down is I don't want books and I don't want movies, I specifically want audio books. On the side of the screen here, you have all these different options. So one of them is material type and I can open this up by just clicking on that and now I can say I only wanna look at the audio books that came up in this search. So I can click that and it will update my search results and now all that it's showing, although I see a couple of books in there and I don't know why, but is audio books here. So sometimes that's specifically what you want, you just want an audio book and that's a way to do that and there's a whole lot of other ways you can pair down what your search results are depending on what you want. In this case I did a general keyword search but I could say well I know it's a really new book. I know it was published within the past five years I could type in 2014 to 2019 and now I'm only looking at books that were published in those five years and I actually didn't get it. That seems wrong but and then location is handy if you were specifically looking for a children's book versus an adult book, I could say well I only wanna look at the children's picture books about New York and that's what I think. So there's all these different options down here that you can, some of these are gonna be more useful and some of these are gonna mean nothing and so but I think the more useful ones like material type location are gonna be kind of more obvious and the other very useful one is way up at the top here is available so this would be if you want to see can I go into the library today and check this out? You would do that and anything that was checked out would show. So depending on what exactly you're looking for. Now as you add these limiters you'll see that they show up here on the screen. So I'm only looking at picture books and I'm only looking at ones that are available right now that fall under this search of New York. Okay and I should mention by the way for the subjects it gives you a list of subjects here too so which when the subjects are nice too because you're gonna see these are gonna be like humorous stories about New York and that sort of stuff. Now let's say you've been spending 10 minutes doing all sorts of different searches and you get to a point where you wanna say well wait a minute you know that first search I did I saw something that I actually now that I think what I am interested in. If I click on search history here I can look at what I've searched for in the past. So I can say oh yeah way back here I searched for this book Flaw Giant I wanna do that again and then there I've done it again. So that's just sort of a handy way to look back at what you've been searching for in the past. Okay great. So any questions about actually searching for a book or trying to find what you're looking for? Okay so let's say I've done a search here and I want this book, this particular book now. In this case I'll just kinda go through the different information in this box so obviously the title is shown at the top the author is shown underneath it it's telling me the format right here in this case it's just a book if it were an audio book it would say so and if it were a movie it would say so it would say video in that case but this is just a book and it's telling me that one of one is available so that means the library owns one copy and it's available meaning it's not checked out if it said zero of one available that would mean it's been checked out. Now these buttons down here this one with the finger is place a hold so if I were planning to come into the library tomorrow but I wanted to make sure this book was here for me I could say place a hold and then a librarian would go take it from the stacks and put it behind the desk under your name so that you could get it. I could also say save to your list so let's say I don't have the time to read this right now but I wanna put it on a list of things I wanna read later. I can make a list of things that I wanna read later. Then there's this view details and the view details is gonna show me all the information that this library has in this book so I could click on that I could see its subjects I could see what other books are near it sometimes that's helpful as sort of like a shelf browse like I'm looking for books on this sort of topic what other books does the library have on that and sometimes just looking at what else is near it on the shelf can be really helpful so trying to duplicate that experience of being physically here in the library doing a little shelf browsing that sort of thing and then show location and this is really important show location is really important I wanna actually know the call number of the book so I can go to the shelf and find it and that's where you find that information and that's something that I wish this system were better at and a lot of times people will be in the library looking up something on the catalog and say but where is it? It doesn't tell me where it is so I can go find it in the building and that's what you want and this is the information specifically you want right here under call number this location here so it says desk to be reviewed that's actually wrong there's a lot of things that say desk to be reviewed we're trying to fix that there's just a huge backlog of fixing that sort of information but this is always correct right here in the middle of the call number that's the physical location of the book in the building the barcode each library book has a specific barcode so we can check it out and know what it is and then the SMS is actually if you want to receive a text message to your phone with the call number and if you wanted that so you could walk away from the computer and have that as opposed to writing it down or whatever some people like that sort of thing and if this were a giant massive city public library where you'd have to go up three flights and then over to the next building or whatever that might be helpful because you're walking far away from the computer and then status is obviously very important saying it's available okay so let's look at new details you can always view details let me just show you you can click on that I, the letter I and the details or you can just click on the cover and it will take you to the same information and so here's all that information that we looked at in the where to find it it shows up all the details about the book so your author, your title, a dish and publish or all this information notes about it which kind of usually notes are gonna give you kind of a synopsis your subjects all that information more information about the book in terms of the summary some information about the author this all this information varies book by book some books have tons of information like this other books don't depends on how it was cataloged who cataloged it all that sort of stuff and then here's the shelf browse so I can see this book falls within this area on the shelf so these are other books and I can see this is a book about colonial America so I see other books about colonial America right there and that's handy if I'm doing a research something researching that era I can see what other books the library has on that now just like I can, I can there's a place hold option on this screen as well and I can choose that and then there's also an add this item to your list on this screen as well and I can choose that there's also email this item and I can choose that and that's kind of the same thing as the text it's just gonna email you with information if you wanted that for whatever reason so it's on hold is it on there indefinitely on hold or are you expected to come in and get that book within a certain amount of time yeah sure so let me let me show you that so I know for sure I want this book I'm gonna click place hold and basically it's just gonna ask me to inform this so it's telling me the information about the book and it's giving me this place a hold option here now one thing that this system can do that the old system could not do is let's say I need this for a book club and the book club is reading this as it's December book well I don't wanna read it quite yet I could say I don't need this until December and I can say I don't need it until December 1st and then if I say place hold what it's gonna tell the libraries don't hold this yet wait until December 1st whether or not this is useful to people I don't know but this is a new function that this particular catalog has but in this case I want this right now and what if somebody wants to get it in November then they can they're not gonna be stopped it's the kind of fun hold yeah so essentially all that that does is it delays telling us the librarians to go get the book and put it on hold for you until December 1st that's all that that does but you know sometimes you're looking at books and then you wanna plan this stuff ahead of time and all that stuff so that's an option for you but okay so I want this book right now so I'm actually gonna just clear all this out and I'm gonna say place a hold so I place the hold and what's gonna happen is the librarians at the desk are gonna get a message that says I have placed this particular patron has placed a hold for this book and they'll go to the shelf and they'll get it and then they'll tell the computer I've gotten this book for this particular person once they tell the computer that you'll get an email and the email will say this book's ready for you so if you're at home and you place some holds on some items those items are going to be coming to you soon but you actually will get the email when it's confirmed that it's sitting on the shelf behind the desk with your name on it and you can come get it right now at this particular library we hold things for four business days for you and that should be that in the email that you get from the library it will say this hold will expire on and it will be like five days from now and then so you have four business days to come get it if you're ever in a situation where you know you're just can't do it in four days you need an extra day you can always call us and we can see if we can make an exception depending on if other people are waiting for the book and that sort of thing and I'm wondering if I want that book on December 1st so would it be sitting all November on that back shelf? Nope, it's going to stay in the regular stacks for anybody else to check out and they can check it out all November and then what happens on December 1st the librarians are going to get the notice go pull this book for Austria or whoever and took somebody who didn't return at that time well in that case then it's going to wait you know it's going to show as a reserve that you have that's not available so I wouldn't get it on December 1st in that case if someone had it checked out no, so like I said whether or not that's useful to people I don't know but I did want to point that out as a feature so okay so this book is in the building so probably soon when the librarians at the desk will go and pull it from the shelf and then they'll send me an email to say this book's ready but what if I wanted a book that's currently checked out did so in the search I found out that this book is checked out this book, I'm going to place it on hold I can see zero one available is checked out so I am going to place it on hold now in this case it's not even just checked out it's missing somebody walked away with this book but I still want it because when the library gets copied back I want it so I told it to place a hold so what's going to happen is I'm not going to get an email from the library saying it's ready until the library replaces the missing book and then catalogs a new copy and then puts it into the system so in this case I could be waiting a little bit a long time but if this were just regularly checked out like I bet this one is this one's just checked out to somebody if I place a hold on this one that one's missing too I shouldn't have picked the young Adele graphic novels they disappear all the time there we go, okay so this is just regular checked out so if I place a hold on this what it's going to do is it basically puts me in line for it so again if I go up here and I look at my hold so I've gone back to my account items on hold and it's telling me I'm waiting for this particular item I'm first on the list so when that's returned I'm going to be notified I'm just going to cancel these so they don't actually fulfill these does that answer your hold questions about how that works so you place a hold on something that's checked out to somebody you're just on the list and depending on how popular your item is it might be you might see place in queue number five or something like that now the other interesting thing is if it's a book that we have multiple copies of particularly if it's the best seller the book that everybody's reading I'm going to talk about this a little bit more because I hadn't thought about this before but this is a good example so the book educated was very popular so we bought 10 copies for the library also I have the audio book and we also have the large print book so there's 12 different ways you can get this book if I just want the large print book I can place the large print on hold pretty straightforward, just one click you'll notice those buttons don't show up down here because I need to tell it do I want the audio book or do I want the print book so what I've done is I've clicked on the picture to open up the more details page and now here it's showing me the audio book which is telling me it's available now it's just on the shelf I could place a hold on that the library will get it they'll send me an email when it's ready or I can place a hold specifically on the book the print book and then in this case there's one copy on the shelf and I can get that so if I do that you'll notice here by default reserve any items is checked off so what's nice is you can see all these ones are checked out but the system doesn't worry about that it's just going to tell the library go get one of the available ones for this person so it will actually tell it to go get it right away but let's say all of these were checked out you would get put on the list but not on the list for a particular copy on the list for just whichever next one comes available any other holds, questions oh let me talk about my reading list here I'll go back to my new year so to be more specific here so if I save to my list, my reading list now what I clicked on save to list here and it's asking me you can make as many lists as you want you can have and in this case I've created my list of history books that I want to read but if this were a novel I could say a novel list I could make a new book list that I want to read you can name it whatever you want in this case I've already got a history book list here but I'm going to say I'm actually going to this is my New York books list I'm going to make a new list and then what I've done is I can go here and I can go way down to the bottom here, your lists and in this case I've got my lists here and in my New York list I've got this particular item which I've added and now when I'm ready for it when I want to read it I can do hold and that way we'll just put it on hold I have all the information about it here and if I decide I no longer want to read it I could just delete it and then I've also created a second list here of other books that I want to read so you can get really detailed with all your different lists or you can just have one list you can just have one my reading list and name it whatever you want and you can keep track so basically this is sort of like the lowest stakes way of doing it you're not putting anything on hold you're just keeping track I'll go yeah I want to remember that later and I've got like that under my notes on my phone yeah exactly and I'll put it on the table and tell me to read it yeah it's the same, it's the same I've got every thought I don't think I've ever put it on that all right good so let's say I do a search I know exactly what I'm looking for I am looking for a book by Jill or call it this oh I think you know I'm sorry that was a bad example because we have that one um a book we don't have um okay I know specifically I want that book that author that title and we don't have it so what do I do? we didn't have the book I wanted what do I do? so the good news is we can probably get it for you the bad news is there's no way in the catalogue to indicate to the library that I want this book that you don't have what you do is you go back to kellocoverlibrary.org and you click use this library interlibrary um and all you have to do is there's this little form down here you put in your name you put in how you want to be contacted in email or phone and then you tell it is it a book, is it a DVD, is it an audio book, etc and then you put the title and author and you click send and that puts your interlibrary loan request in so if you're doing searches in the catalogue and you're just getting nothing it could mean that well it's going to mean that the library doesn't own it but we have interlibrary loan service we can try to find another library for you and that would be one way to do that now um one thing to keep in mind with all of that is that new books um you know we unfortunately it's it's rare that we're adding a book into our system the day it's published it's just the way that we have to order books so that we can get a discount on books so that we can get more books so we're not spending all our money paying bookstore prices on books means that we have to order them and they have to be shipped to us and then they have to go through the catalogue process it just takes us a little while longer than a bookstore would to get the book on our shelves so you may know oh the new michael connelly came out today but I don't see it in the catalogue we're probably going to order it because it's a major author but um you could still do the interlibrary loan request you'll probably just hear back from us to say oh you know we're actually ordering copy of that already so we'll push on the holes list for it but um new books aren't going to show up right away on our catalogue it just takes us a little while to get a new book into our system so the interlibrary loan what libraries are involved in that so it's all the public libraries in the state of ramon and then um that's our primary resource also most of the school libraries as well unfortunately most of the university libraries particularly the big ones in the state don't send to us but some of the small ones will um and then we have the option sometimes to look out of steam so if it's something a bit more esoteric or if it's something you know a book on uh Maryland history that only library Maryland is likely to have um we can sometimes go out of out of state and see if they'll send it to us that's less common but generally speaking um you know if it's something that's in a public library in the state of ramon we can probably get it that being said when we send a request to the library and Fairfax or wherever and we say you know could you please send us this book if you have something wants to check it out here they can always say no and they might have a million different reasons to say why their own patron wants to check it out or it's a rare book and they don't want it to leave their building or whatever but that all being said those are like the reasons we wouldn't be looking at something in general we can get a lot of stuff in a interlibrary loan and it's it's a um something that a lot of people use here it's a great resource so um definitely use it yeah okay so that's all of the things that wanted to talk about tonight does anybody have any questions i'm good it's pretty clear yeah it's a lot to digest i think it's fun to to play that's the thing play around with it because that's the best way to learn it um you know do your searches add things to list put things on a whole you know um there's no you can put something on hold and then not pick it up that's not going to really bother us that much it might bother someone who wants to check it out but you know feel free to throw it out with it and and you know um see how it works for you um yeah did you have a question yeah when you're when you want a book say um just does this catalog of any information about the order of books oh great question yeah or do you have to go on the internet for that separately or the answer is in most cases yes like for instance javelin winch beer okay no that was a good example that was a good one too but um yeah just um i was looking at her things the other day and i was thinking now did i read this one or was the one before this like this you know kind of that idea yeah um okay great so javelin winch beer see any here it's a series mazy dogs book eight so this is book number eight in the mazy dogs series so that's where that information is how did i when you like did that um how does the library list them they don't in order yeah so so all that i did was search for the author and the way it's listing them see under here sort it's sorting in this case by relevance which isn't helpful but it's actually sorting by title because all of these books are relevant they're all by javelin winch beer um and then um that's how it's sorting it so that's why a lesson came up first um can i do it but this isn't necessarily the order it's not the order of the books um the way that's a great question can i sort it by order of series i don't know so i'll tell you what i use when i'm at the circulation desk and this would require opening a different website but there's a website called fantasticfiction.com fantastic fiction and i use this all the time and when you search it off there it lays it all out right in order and um and you can okay so then i could take the information say oh i'm on number six and then i can go back into the catalog and specifically find that one and can you when you go into one of those can you get a little synopsis like you know to tell you oh did i read this yeah for sure absolutely so um if you so i'm sorry let me do this lawyer so i'm going to either click on the i to view details or i'm just going to click on the picture and then um that'll give you the once i'm in it um there's usually a note that's going to have a summation of the book here and then also down here i'm going to do this more about this title it'll give me a summary this is usually provided by the publisher which is handy um or in this case it's by a reviewer who wrote that um so definitely that information is in here great thank you you might not find that for a particularly older book just because the older book is going to have an older catalog record where they weren't adding that kind of information so if you're looking for like a historical book that has been published since 1960 whatever um it might not be in there but generally speaking that information is going to be in there typically for like a novel or something like that and when they say where to find the book um if it's like mystery will it say mystery after the last name or so yeah let me let me so the call number is going to be the most useful information so in that case and for mystery and now when this information is correct when it doesn't say anything about being at a desk it's correct this is only being at a desk it's incorrect but in this case it's telling you this all information is correct it's at the kello cupboard library it's in the adult section of the library and it's in the mystery section that's all correct if it says something to be reviewed that's not correct unfortunately a lot of books have that information right now and like i said we have to fix all of that that will take a little bit of time on our end thank you yeah you're welcome