Today's episode is sponsored by Squarespace. Well, Monica and I were home for the holidays and we decided to bring our backyard bush hog out to explore the coast of Marine County. Of course, I couldn't pass up the opportunity as Baxter's biological father to embarrass him a little bit. Baxter's got a poo everyone, but it was also time to shoot some new film. Yo, what up welcome back to another episode today. I'm here with Monica Sorry, that's kind of gross. There's Baxter's poo in the shot. Yo, what up welcome back to another episode today. I'm here with Monica Baxter and we're in the beautiful scenic colorful marine headlands So naturally we're gonna be shooting some black and white today. We're shooting the new Kentmere. Kentmere already exists in a 35 millimeter version But they are dropping it for 120 now. So pretty exciting Kentmere is kind of a more Budget film stock, I guess you could say it. Yeah, let's get the camera loaded and start shooting. That's right Kentmere has been around for a minute in 35 millimeter form It's definitely a very budget conscious film and the one roll that I shot many years ago was Pretty grainy. So without a doubt. I was curious to see if the 120 version would be similar I loaded up the Makina with Kentmere 100 in direct bright-ass light and the nuclear furnace in the sky Yet again because following directions is for nerds. That's why I always add an hour to the ETA when I use Google Maps Cool, I can probably just edit that to make it look like I nailed it on the first try. What do you think? It's really hard. I think to review a black and white film stock at the end of the day What can you really say about a black and white film? What sets it apart grain ability to push process? I'd be willing to bet that if you took Ilford's complete lineup and did a blind test Most people wouldn't be able to tell a lot of the stocks apart. I know I would have some trouble So then what makes Kentmere so special? That's what I'm tasked with finding out today as we explored some luxury World War 2 condominiums This is kind of cool This camera is really Not intuitive We lifted Baxter up onto the ledge to show him just how tall he might have been if he had normal legs And I said to pop off a portrait of Monica and the boy Which I think turned out great So first impressions of Kentmere 100. Yep, it's definitely black and white Got to say this Kentmere 100 is pretty smooth overall. You don't really see the grain too much Which might be a result of the huge six by seven negative or maybe 100 ISO is just low enough to keep the grain nominal either way. I dig it Additionally, it's really flat in profile. It'd probably be a great film to push to 400 But it's not really something I'm into if you're super into it.  For starters, it's kind of a sub brand of Ilford. Kentmere is more or less Ilford's Budget line of film stocks as opposed to the premium stuff like FB4 and HP5. It's kind of like what Ultramax is to Porture 400 It's kind of like what the front of a mullet is to the back of a mullet But what is the actual difference at the end of the day when it's all boiled down in Original recipe for loco or whatever's in these developer bottles Apparently silver Kentmere is made in a very similar way to a lot of Ilford's more premium stocks Except that it uses less silver overall to keep the price a little more cost-effective After firing off Baxter's official about the author portrait I headed down to find a few compositions and polish the Kentmere 100 off Anyway after Baxter crop dusted me to the fart I thought it'd be cool to try out some Kentmere 400 which is two stops faster than Kentmere 100 Lovely Baxter. This is a place of Zen actually not really actually kind of a place of Horror change the ISO 400 This image is very busy. I think it would have been better suited for Kentmere 100 The lower ISO allowing me to open up the aperture a little more and separate the subject from the background with de-focus So in my own opinion Kentmere 400 seems to be a wildly different film stock than Kentmere 100 Okay, wildly is a bit dramatic. Lomo purple is wildly different than Porture 400 Kentmere 100 and 400 are Marginally different at box speed 400 is incredibly flat flatter than 100 and there's just a lot of gray And the grain is definitely more visible I guess that's to be expected in a higher ISO film, but the flatness itself kind of boggles me a bit Here's a reference of the original scan versus how much contrast I added myself in post I also noted that the density of the physical negatives on 100 seemed significantly better than 400 did overall Both stocks do not seem to curl too badly either Kentmere 400 actually seems like it'd be a good film stock to push to stops to 1600 our fearless film shaman Trev Actually pushed it to 3200 with pretty good results. So go check that out if you're insane and actually considering doing that This shot of I guess basically a garage is kind of cool I like the little sailboat in the background and honestly Kentmere was able to hold on to those highlight details pretty well So what is the pan in Kentmere pan 400 stand for it stands for pancake Okay, one day, I'll stop blatantly lying to you But today isn't that day pan actually stands for panchromatic, which is the counter to orthochromatic if a black and white film is orthochromatic It means it's not sensitive to red light if a black and white film is panchromatic It means that it's sensitive to the entire range of visible light most black and white film stocks are panchromatic unless otherwise noted Yep, this shot is blurry because I was using a low shutter speed for some reason I cannot fathom anyway as we forced Baxter to climb what was basically Mount Kilimanjaro to him with his tiny legs I started thinking maybe there is something to Kentmere after all since it's pretty grainy Maybe 120 is the superior format for Kentmere With substantially more image definition the grain kind of falls to the wayside a little bit and the image returned is quite pleasant overall It's the last one Did you hear that kid? Kid is like why does it smell like old people here? Furthermore, could this be a hit film stock if it was available in even bigger sizes like large format sheets I asked the Ilford representative who reached out to me and he said they wouldn't rule it out in the future But only if it could be at a better price point than HP5 and FP4 which makes sense Ultimately, I'm not too sure how I feel about this trend of companies introducing new film That's actually just a film stock already available, but in a different format. I like having options I'm sure you do too, but it's kind of like when Kodak reintroduced gold for 120 cool I'm sure we all have a long list of other Kodak stocks We'd like to see them bring back instead in the case of gold. It's kind of a gut punch to someone like me Who's been drinking? Basically rat poison in a campaign to get Kodak to bring back Aerochrome. What do I have to do raise the stakes? Butt chug it Maybe to be fair though, that's entirely different. That's Kodak if Ilford wants to stick to black and white film. That's fine They're great at it HP5 is God tier and Ketmir 400 is not far behind But to me in a way it kind of feels like a ceiling has been hit It's hard to imagine where Ilford could potentially go with new black and white film stocks So I guess what I'm saying is Maybe it's time to do color Ilford. I understand. It's a whole different beast entirely You can't just add food coloring and I don't know crowned royal or something to a black and white film stock and get a color Negative mean you guys even have a color film page on your website sitting around ready for action And I think we all know building a website is the hardest part of the process But you know what it doesn't have to be with today's sponsor Squarespace. 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You can start a free trial today at squarespace.com slash grainy days And if you use the code grainy days that check out you can get 10% off your first purchase Smells like fish else. Yeah, it smells like fish by the ocean. That's crazy All right any closing thoughts The moon is really tiny tonight. I wouldn't say tiny. I would say adequately size. It's enough for most people It's barely there But it is there. I I was satisfied by how much it's there. So will I ever shoot can't mirror in 120 ever again? Yeah, of course, it's cheap and I'm not really too picky about black and white film stocks Will this be the last time I ever use this camera? We'll see It is kind of a pain in the ass according to a representative for Ilford at the MSRP in the US for this film It's gonna be $5.80 which is pretty budget friendly to be honest I don't think most consumers will be able to tell the difference between this and HP 5 So shoot some can't mirror and save some pennies Go hog wild entropy is real and we don't know when this is all gonna come crashing down anyway So might as well live it up both can't mirror 100 and 400 are solid 10 out of 10 Or whatever you want me to say if you want something with a little bit more contrast or too afraid of the raw power Available at your fingertips in lightroom, then I guess shoot something else or push process it Just don't say that Ilford never did nothing for you


All right, this goes out to all you fitness and health people on social media. When you comment under people's pictures or videos or you talk to people online, act like you're in the gym. Why am I saying this? Because 90% of you wouldn't say the stuff you say online in someone's face in the gym.  Unfortunately, we say things on social media, we wouldn't say in real life because in real life, you get punched in the face, you get kicked out of a fitness place. And that's just the bottom line. So look, our goal as fitness leaders is to unite all of us so we can fight the agenda. What's the agenda?  We want to oppose that.  We're all here to help people remember that. Isn't it so interesting to see how brazen people have gotten over the years of being anonymous? Did you see the comment I just got? I just got? I thought he was originally talking about that. You're talking about something else? Yeah, yeah. I just got... That one really makes me mad. I just got... I was telling Sal this before I even knew that he was going this direction. This person... And I normally don't comment.  But because it was under my goddaughter's photo that I posted, it got to me.   But they made a comment because obviously while we were on vacation, the episode played where we had the conversation about Andrew Tate, which we had like a week ago. Right? So that had just played. So somebody got on there and made a comment about, you know, how do I feel about her working for Andrew Tate when she's 18 years old at like... Under a picture of her with him. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. What?  She's one and a half years old or what like that, right?  And you know, it's so funny because the type of person that would make this comment would also say something like that, right? Like your daughter ends up on webcams or your daughter ends up stripping on a pole and you would be the tool that would blame somebody else for that.  Like just that is the type of person that would make that comment. It's just so funny to me.  So this is such an interesting conversation. I just watched a video, Jordan Peterson was talking about this and it blew my mind. I can't remember specifically. They call it the triad of personality disorders. Narcissism is in there, being a sociopath, I think is part of it. It's like these kind of people who have no empathy or hyper narcissistic and then something else, these people are very dangerous in society. And he says that society will always have about 3% of the population that way. If it gets too big, then problems start to happen to get weeded out, but it always sticks around 3%. On social media, it's far larger. On social media, the people that get all the attention are exactly those kind of people. Now, why do they get that much attention on social media?  Oh, yeah. Like pretty quickly, there's consequences. Takes all the air out of the room and all the attention goes there because there's a problem now.  It's real life. Now, this reminded me of our space. You know, this happens to us. Obviously we're on the top of the, you know, when it comes to the fitness food chain, especially in podcasting, we're at the top. So it makes sense that people are going to try to gain notoriety by, you know, grabbing onto our coattails and then making a comment or trying to say something that we said was wrong and here's why we're better and whatever, and this happens. It's not a big deal. I get it. This is how you want to get attention. And I just don't think it's the right way, but I thought about it and I said, you know, it's funny is that these fitness people who try to do this would never do this in the real world. You know what I mean? Like if we were running a seminar and I was talking about the benefits of, let's say, squatting, deadlifting, and pressing, and then some, no way a guy in the back would stand up and be like, you know what, that's not a functional pattern.  And then why wouldn't you say that in person? Because then I'd say, no, you're right. That's also functional. Uh, squatting, deadlifting, and pressing is also functional. This is all, but they would only say it online because there's no rebuttal. Right. They get to be anonymous.  And that's, uh, that's kind of the point that I'm trying to make here. Dialogue is just making a pure statement and just dropping the mic.  Or harmed by that. So society keeps it kind of in check. Or you get, at the very least you look at the person's face when you say something and you got to deal with it. It keeps you, it keeps those people somewhat in check, right? Which is why it probably keeps it down to 3%. The problem with social media is it actually feeds that algorithm. Right. So it not only does it like hold a place for those people, but it, yeah, it promotes them and actually causes there to be more because it rewards that person and rewards the person who's posting and creating that controversy with more people following, more likes, more comments, more views. Like, it's all extremism. Even, even worse, this gets even worse than that. In real life, if you're in a group of people and there's that guy, we've all known that guy who boasts about how great he is and how his opinions and he's so virtuous. At first you're like, wow, that's a great guy. But very quickly, you're like, he does nothing. All he does is talk. He's actually done nothing to help anybody.  I don't want to hang out with him on social media. Nobody needs to see any actions. It's all about your opinion and that's how you show your virtue.   You're just saying this on social media.  So my point with this is, is that it actually takes the worst of us, like you said, Adam, and it puts them at the top. Yeah. And what's happening is it's causing all these issues. And now for us, there's an anti-health industry that's out there. We've talked about this before. I don't think that they're all necessarily organized, but these are organizations, corporations, governments and people who benefit from people having poor health, either because you buy more of the products. You rely more on them or you're sick and dependent and we can sell your products for that. Right. Or it's easy to manipulate you because now you're more, you're depressed and anxious and fearful and all that stuff. And what they're doing right now is they're pointing to fitness, social media. And they're saying things like, um, it's an intolerant group. They, uh, you know, it's toxic masculinity.  You know what? It's true. Not in gyms though, not in the real world on social media. It's true. Fitness social media is how they're, they're weaponizing it and using it against those of us who really are trying to help people. So the reason why I'm saying this message is if you are on social media and you're a trainer, a coach, a gym owner, or you're just trying to help people in genuine ways, remember that don't fall in the trap because they're using against us and we're not helping anybody by fighting each other in that way and talking about each other in that way and ridiculing each other. Like, you know, the litmus test is this. Would you say this in the gym to somebody or about somebody in the gym? And if the answer is no, then I wouldn't do it online either. Like we need any more divisiveness. It's just, it's baffling to me.  So what's, what's the fallout look like? Like, so there has to come a point, right? Because I think that that percentage that is 3% out in society, but on social media is a much larger percent. I think that percentage is growing too. Yes. I think we're going the opposite direction that we probably want to go. It's encouraging. So yeah. And so inevitably, I think there's going to be a fall. You know, it reminds me of only people that grew up in the Bay Area will get this analogy. So I remember in my twenties when a new nightclub would come downtown San Jose and it was always awesome. Like you were so excited for the first year and the first year it would crack and it would be a great, it would be a great spot.  It would become a place where you never, you didn't feel safe anymore.  This is like an inside joke, the cycle of the nightclubs in the Bay Area. Yeah. It's, it's been like, and so I, and that, what to me, what that highlights is when this, this small percentage of people that don't represent the majority end up overpowering the majority because they're louder or more obnoxious or cause more problems.  I'm off social media. I don't post that often or like, I already feel like there's this movement away from it. And I think that is why. Yeah. I agree with you. I think there's, I know more people now who are like, I'm done with social media or I only follow these pages or I'm very careful with how I set up the algorithm because it's, you know, it's toxic or poison.  It's, it's hard to decipher real versus online in the sense that if I see, for example, here's an easy example, if all I look at all day are pictures of perfect male bodies, my brain doesn't realize that I'm looking at a rare male male body. It thinks that that's, that's common. So then I'm going to look at myself without realizing it and judge myself based off of that ideal, which in the real world, you know, guys with six pack abs are rarer than millionaires, right? This happens to girls, especially young girls, when they get body image issues because rather than walking around the real world, they're on social media and the brain is perceiving that as that's reality. So the same thing is true with like people's opinions, people's fake virtue signaling, how people are like the real world is not like that, but your brain doesn't know that. So when you're in that all the time, my wife is really good at checking me with this, like I'll tell her about like this, did you see that guy that did that thing or the person who says whatever?  I'm like, oh yeah, you're right. Like you could find anybody online, you know, any crazy person online, but in real life, you're right. I've never run into, I've never run into a guy who spent twenty thousand dollars making himself look like a dog. Yeah. Yeah. That's what's going viral now. Did you guys see that? Yeah. That Japanese man? I know. You see that? No, no. Yeah. This guy in Japan is really elaborate.  But yeah, he definitely went all in. Well, I remember when you make himself look like a border. Well, you remember when like the the lizard people started becoming a thing, right? We're like literally not to like the lizard people.   No, yeah. But this guy literally made himself look like a dog. Yeah. And then someone took him for a walk and he was like, this is what I've always wanted to do. Always want to be.  I've never seen that in real life. So like the inception of social media, like this is kind of this is my thoughts going into it from the very beginning was like, they're just highlighting like the craziest wildest, like shocking thing, like whatever somebody was thinking was like a very small portion of the population was even had those thoughts to begin with. It starts shaping the culture to the point where reality starts mimicking what we're seeing online to where people think this is the really this is reality. It's not reality. This is this is false. This is a full reality. By the way, I want to be clear like we fall for this all time. I fall for this all time. That's how hard it is to be aware of what's going on. I'm pretty sure I've made comments online that I wouldn't make in real life. And I'm just self reflecting and trying to really stop and remind myself like, why are we here? What are we trying to do there? There's definitely this anti health industry with this agenda. We've talked about it many times on the show and it's it's getting worse and worse. And they're weaponizing social media against us highlighting the worst of fitness as it as if it's the most of fitness when in the real world it's not like people who actually go to gyms and actually work out and actually know the members and real gym owners and real trainers and real coaches like that. They're not like that. The none of them are like that. The ones that are like that are the ones that are on social media and that's all they do. They don't do anything else. And again, this like back and forth like, oh, you say the squat is the best.  Would you walk up to me and say that if I was giving a seminar?  Yeah, no, I wouldn't. And if you did, we would have a discussion about it and we would probably agree on most things on a lot of things. If you're genuinely interested and educated, I feel like I try. I try and lead with that foot when people question me about other other fitness people's content is just like, well, there's there I always try and be like, yeah, there's some truth to that.  But, you know, I could argue that case. I could also argue the opposite, which is in many cases in health and fitness. Like I feel like there isn't one way to pin so many ideas with each other. There's so many ways. We're just going to count. You have to consider the effectiveness of a particular form of exercise by itself. Then the effectiveness as it's applied to the person. Then consider their psychology and their preferences and their fitness history. And then there's probably other things I'm not even mentioned, but just those three things right there. Make how you use fitness and how you improve your health so nuanced and unique that, you know, arguing over which exercise is the best. I mean, we can have discussions about it, but there's cases. Oh, look, I'll tell you right now. There are definitely cases where a leg extension is better than a barbell squat for someone. Like a hundred percent. I could find somebody and I could bring him in and there could be a situation where I'm like, oh yeah, this person, leg extension is better for them than a barbell squat. So it's very nuanced. And again, it's like, would you actually say this in the gym? Probably not.  Yeah, you know, bottom line.  Yeah. All right, today's program giveaway is maps and a ball the original one. Here's how you can win it. Leave a comment below this video, the first 24 hours that we drop it, subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications. If you win, we'll let you know in the comments section. We're also running a sale on maps and a ball like advanced one of our newer programs. This is a very, very potent muscle and strength building program. It's half off. If you're interested, just click on the link at the top of the description below. All right, back to the show. All right, so I'm going to I'm going to change directions here. You brought up Andrew Tate in the discussion. And I just saw him do another interview and he made a really good point that I'd like to to bring up on here. Oh, now you're going to quote Andrew Tate, boy, this has come full circle for this full circle for me. Come on, sir. Let's hear it. Let's hear it, Andrew. What do you say?  Don't worry, just quote the man. Go ahead. Let's hear it. No, listen. So there's a video of him circulating. It's going viral of him talking about like how to manipulate girls and doing webcam and how you treat them. And he got confronted in an interview about this and he goes and he made two comments that I thought were really. I mean, they're correct. One, he's like, man, they have scrubbed through my content over the last 10 to 15 years so hard. He goes and that's what they could find. He goes. I don't think anybody would pass that limit test. That's true. Like everybody. Especially somebody who's put as much content as like, say, us or someone like him up. Like there is a lot of stuff we've said and out of context could be could look real bad for 10 years ago. Yeah, could you imagine if the average person was if we were able to like investigate their last 10 years, how many skeletons we'd be able to find and people change and they grow and all that stuff. He said that. So fine, whatever. I think the video that was 10 years ago was like, oh, it's terrible sounding. But he makes good points.  So that's, you know, 100 percent. And then he said this, which I thought was also and we've gone through this. When you're communicating because that video, when he made it, it was it was not to the Internet. It was to a private group. Yes, private groups, 50 people. He's like communicating to 50 people is different than when you communicate to 50 million and 50 private people. Private. Yeah. He says there's far more responsibility when you have that much influence. We felt that like if you listen to our early episodes, we had like 300 people listening. So it's like you're in our living room smoking a joint with us. It's a totally different conversation. And now we have 10 million people listening. We have a different responsibility. And so we have to kind of think to be a little more calculated. Yeah. And you have to be careful with how you say certain things because you have a responsibility. He made those two points. I thought they were they were on point. Well, I mean, in to piggyback off what you're saying, especially when our desired outcome, this is talking about us, right? It was to help as many people as possible. Yes. Right. If we just wanted to make a fun podcast where we said crude jokes and got high and had a good time. If that was the vision, we would have stayed the course that way. But ultimately, it was like, can we reach and help as many people as we possibly can? And that was the way we wanted to disrupt the industry. Must be effective. Yeah. And, you know, we admittedly, you know, use the Chakanah approach to get attention early on, because that was the way that we thought we could get attention. And it did. It gave us a little bit of traction because we would say these outlandish things. But then we come up, then we'd say this really smart stuff related to health and fitness that was counter the the norm and message. So yeah, it helped the beginning. But then we hit major plateaus of not being able.  Like, oh, I love your show, but I have kids in the car. I can never listen to it. I want to show my mom. I want to show my mom or I want to show my sister. But I mean, the profanity and this and the topic sometimes are so it's like, you know, and we agreed we didn't want to change who we are. But at the same time too, it's like that's no different than how I was as a coach and trainer. I never, I don't ever believe I changed who I was. But I also, but I most certainly was respectful of who I was communicating to and how I would talk to my, you know, 65 year old rabbi that I was training versus my, you know, 18 year old kid that I was really need to read the room. Yeah, that's all it is self awareness, social awareness. The message is the same. How you communicate the message changes. Yeah. If you want to be effective and effectiveness is defined by like and then add in when you talk about sheer numbers like that I remember the first time that like it really like dawn on me like God, the amount of people that are listening at one time at all times, there's a minimum of 150 to 200,000 people listening to an episode. When you stand in a stadium, the biggest football or basketball stadium you've ever been into, you're talking about 30 to 50,000 people, you know, five X that and go like at all times this many people are listening to the message. Of course, 20 people or entire five stadiums are not going to like how I said something or agree with it. It's just like you can't make everybody happy at that point either. And you have a responsibility because our responsibility is, you know, like it always has been like can we be as effective as possible at helping people and if there's more people, the responsibility gets, you know, much larger. Speaking of responsibility, I got to tell this story on the podcast. I think I told you guys already but it's I got to tell a show because just it's a top 10 experience in my life for sure. Really? I told you guys this was last was it last week. We were I was getting my haircut by Vicki. Now people don't know Vicki. She cuts our hair every Monday. She's awesome. What's the name of her shop? We got to give it a shout out. Faded. Faded. Faded and San Jose and a Morgan Hill. She's amazing. Okay. She's great, hilarious, hardworking, entrepreneur, like no holds barred. We love her. So she's cutting. She's the best. She's cutting my hair, right? Don't get her arrested here. No, no, I already asked her. I asked her, can I tell the story? She goes, yeah, you can tell the story. So all right, cool.  You got four or five young guys under 25. Yeah. And they're all eating and working and she's cutting my hair and we're all having conversations at the same time. And we were talking about like, she was talking about like events, like big events. She's like, yeah, I used to love going to big events, but then sometimes it gets a little shady and you know, I get a little worried if I have my kids with me. She's like, that's why I'm always packing heat. And I'm like, yeah, are you always packing heat? She goes, come on.  I wish I could have seen the boy, the boys faces, right? I had been so epic to see you. She's like, how was she five one? Yeah. Yeah. The looks on their faces will firecracker. Just yeah.  Such a boss in her purse. She's pulls it out. You know, she's like, the guy's like, uh, everybody's like looking down at their work. I'm going to pretend like I'm so great. I did. I was dying. I got a follow up story for you. So before we left vacation, I told you guys about what happened to my sister, right?  Oh yeah, they got a runner up. Yeah. It was super crazy. So I I link up with my sister again. We're up here. This is so this is now a week later after or two weeks later after that incident had happened to her and she lives in Reno. I'm up at the truckie house and she's heading over to come see me. She's ubering, right? Because she's her cars in the shop still getting repaired because all the damage done to it. And she's taxing me.    He's got no air conditioning and I lean my head back.  No way in traffic right next to her. He's got the markings of her car on the side of it. Everything like that. No way, bro. Yes. Even if she goes how crazy is this? She goes when the officer did my report, he kept saying like, are you sure it wasn't a white car?  He's like, are you sure? Because you have white paint also. And he's like, she's like, no, it was this the champagne color, this and that.  He had a white panel all the way around. And you can see my red marking on his white. Like all the marks are all still there. She goes and I got his license plate. I videoed him. I got everything.  That just happened. That just happened. So you got to let us know what happened. I know, I was texting her before we got on air because I wanted to hear of what the update was. So her she did that. She sent it over to her. Put a license plate online. She has to go in there. Well, it was great, which was super proud of Tom for her husband, for for, you know, having the wherewithal to make sure of this, that, you know, this was so traumatic for my sister that he was like, listen, this is not just a hit and run. This was like he tried to harm her. Right. Like I want to make sure that this was an attempt at her on top of that. So when they filed the report, it wasn't just a classic hit and run, which you know, he runs an accident. Yeah, he was purposely trying to hit it, which is attempted. It could be assault as assault with a deadly weapon. Right. So it was filed as that. And then, of course, it was just like, oh, they didn't get to play. They're never going to find this person. It was like, they didn't get a plate. They didn't get anything. It's not. And we all know how that works. It's not like they go out searching manhunt for this person. What a gift. How serendipitous was that? Right. And she was at the crazy part was like she was getting so irritated in the car. It was hot and the guys driving so slow. And then she looked leans back and there's the dude right next to her. So she got video of it. You know what's funny about that story is it's got the rage. Oh, well, so, you know, so when she was scar what she said she actually kind of got a little traumatized because when she leaned back and looked to her right, it was the same angle and direction she saw him right before she hit. So she had this kind of like flashback of, oh, my God, was this happening to me again?  Handled that. Hey, how crazy is that, though? Because part of it is she was so mad that she was stuck in traffic. Yeah. So now she's like, that's why. Well, that's what she said. She's like, I would have. He would have never caught up to us had this guy just been driving normal in the normal lane. But because he was driving so slow and he kept letting everybody pass him by, she goes, he ends up pulling up right next to her. And she's like, oh, my God, we would I would have never seen him. How do you not be doing that?  Dude, so that's because it was filed before because she explained everything and he still has the marks on the car. That dude's he's done. Yeah, he's probably too much. There's too much evidence. She's like, you could see the dent. You could see my car color on the white. And she goes, now it's now I understand why the cops saw the white and that was all in the report, too. So like, wow. I mean, she's got him. She's got him dead to right. So now it's just a matter of what they do. So I know that amazing. He sent over all the work. She has to actually go down there. I guess file some more stuff and turn it all in. But I mean, I think it's going to be pretty cut and dry. I mean, they're going to be able to put his license plate, be able to get his address and know where he's at. That's what you get, dude. Knock on his door. Wow. A hit and run is a big deal already. That's a huge deal. Is that a felony? I think it's an automatic felony if I'm not mistaken. Was she in Nevada? Yeah. I wonder what the Nevada if it's different. So hit and runs a big deal already.  That's a whole different category.  Oh man. So what he might get away with is a hit and run. So he might get away with saying, it was an accident, right? If someone gets hurt or killed in the accident, then it's a felony. Okay. That would be the part that he might be able to debate is he might be able to be like, no, it was an accident. I wasn't trying to on purpose. That might be the only thing. So in which case, we'll put his license plate online on the end. I think Karma's coming, man. So, yeah, yeah. He'll get his own. Yeah, okay. Here's another Karma story for you. I thought that was hilarious. So you know the big lotto just happened, right? The billion dollar one that everybody's been talking about. So I don't know. It sent me down the rabbit hole of reading lottery stuff.  Stuff like this happens. And I go down the rabbit hole. So I come across this story of a famous lottery winner in Cleveland. And I don't know how many years that they go this was. This was a while back. This was an old story, but I never heard it. That was fun to share. So this guy wins the lotto and before it gets announced on television or anything like that, he decides what I'm gonna do is call all my family and friends and ask to borrow $4,000 from them before they find out that he won the lottery. Wow! And so what? Just so smart. Bro, what about, talk about 3D chess, right? How smart was that?  Then he wins the lottery?  Nobody asked for any money. Talk about brilliant move.  I know. I was like, I never heard of that. And I never thought, and I've always thought like, man, everybody knows like, I don't care if it's a lottery or you're famous or you're an athlete. Everybody comes out of the woodwind. Yeah, all of a sudden the family and friends, everybody just expects you to get like, but to make that ninja move where you go reach out to all of them first, trying to get somebody to loan you money, inevitably everybody turns you down. It's all cool, I won the lottery. Hey, watch that and I'll be the move. Somebody asked me, hey, how can I borrow? Yeah, sure, you can borrow four grams. Yeah. So anyway, how you been, man? What's going on? I thought that was great though. Hey, speaking of 3D chess, you guys see, okay, so Elon changed the name of Twitter to X. Oh, I just noticed that this morning my app had changed. Yes, so here's the 3D chess part that I love. So he put up a big X sign on the Twitter headquarters in San Francisco. It's all bright and whatever. Apparently he didn't get the right permits or whatever. What? But here's why it's 3D chess. So you guys know he's kind of been in conflict with San Francisco and California in general many times. San Francisco in particular, it's a terribly managed city. It's a crazy city. Crime is out of control. Suicide, drug use and just stores have to lock up and chain like candy and deodorant instead. Just insane. So he puts this up, San Francisco board of directors or whatever, now trying to go after him. What do you think people on social media are doing? Texting, showing pictures. They're like, oh, you got all the time and energy to handle this, but you can't handle it bro. It was, I feel like you did it on purpose. That's amazing. Yeah, do you see the track poop sightings in San Francisco? What? It's an app or something?  I didn't know that was a thing. Yeah, me either. I saw it and I was like, dude, this is so nuts.  The name is brilliant. It's called Snap Crap. No way. Yeah dude, I wanna download it but I don't live there.  I know, right?  It's brilliant. It's a great way to bring it. It's literally documenting it too.  My ex-wife took my older kids. I don't remember, they were gonna go watch a show and they had to part, they parked somewhere and then we're gonna walk to where the show is. I was only like a street or two down. And so they hadn't been in San Francisco for a while and she says, my kids told me the story. They're like, mom asked a police officer to walk them. Cause she looked at the street. She's like, I can't walk down there with my two kids. And she's like, the city's gotten so bad. So like for them to come after him. I would sell my house so fast if I had a house in San Francisco because you add in, it's the largest mass accidents of all the cities in the country. There's more people leaving there than anywhere else in the country. You also factor in, it's part of the Silicon Valley, right? So San Francisco, Bay, San Jose, Bay area, all kind of Silicon Valley area. Tech jobs, 50% of people have returned back to office. So the office spaces are like empty all over the place. It is only a thing is hanging on by a thread right now. It's only a matter of time before that. And then you add in the homeless stuff and the crime and the, oh, it's only a matter of time. Dude, speaking of like different places. So I was in what we were all kind of on vacation. I went to with Jessica to visit some of her family in Arkansas. I'd never been to Arkansas before. And I've heard, well, first off, I need to say this about Arkansas. So it's in the middle of the summer. I've never experienced humidity like that. Bro, let's try it, weren't you? He was just in Florida the same time you were in. On the Florida, we both had the same heat. Very similar, yeah. I've been to Sicily and Sicily gets humid. But this feels like I felt like I was walking through water. You know what I'm saying? Walking and you're like, am I in the ocean? Yeah. Like it's so humid, it's insane. Like my sunglasses, I literally was walking outside and the whole thing, it was fog. I had to like keep wiping them. I couldn't see how crazy that is. It was so like you're outside and my kids, my little ones are just glistening with sweat. And my son's hair is all wet. Did you go swimming? Like what's going on? Yeah. And then the mosquitoes. And the mosquitoes, dude, are dude. The mosquitoes are relentless. But anyway, so enough of that stuff. The people, you know, they had to say the people in the South are so friendly and whatever. Dude. It's real. It's true. It's real. They're the best. I had at least 10 experiences. So it's not just one. So the first one that happened is I went to a gas station. That's how it was when we were in Tennessee. I felt the same way, dude. It was, but when we were in Tennessee, we were in that one place. Yeah, sure, sure. So I felt like, okay, maybe there's a bias. No, I felt like everywhere you go. So I was in Arkansas for four days or five days and I went to the gas station. I went to Walmart. I went to the grocery store. I went to shops. I took my niece and nephew out. And so the first experience, I went to the gas station to get, I don't remember what I was gonna get, like a drink or something. So I walk in, walk to the back, grab the drink, walk up at the front. And the lady looks at me, she goes, I'm so sorry to greet you when you walked in. She's like, I saw you, but I was focusing on something else. So, hey, I'm appalled. I'm like, what? You're apologizing. What's happening? I've never had a gas station. Anybody say hi to me. Yeah. And you're apologizing. You didn't greet me. I'm like, this is like, oh, that's a one off. Well, they wear ear pods here and they don't even look at you. And they're just like, yeah, dude. I went to Walmart because we had to buy some, we were going to buy like a high chair for the baby, a couple of things. And I go in there and the lady who's ringing me up, we just start, she's like, start talking. She's like, oh, this is for, who's this for? So for my daughter, oh, I got four kids. How old are you? Just wonderful. Then the lady in line behind me starts talking. We're having a wonderful conversation about children and raising kids. This happened like 10 times. I gave a tip, like a normal tip when I bought some food. At this place, I gave like a normal tip. The kid came out, wanted to thank me for the tip. Hey, thank you very much. Appreciate the owner. Owners making sure, you know, how you guys like the food.  Wasn't like anything crazy. It is different. The people are very different. Well, you notice it because of the stark contrast of what we experience every day here. Waving at me, people driving, waving at you. People like flip me off for like waving at me. I just feel like, I'm like, what? I'm just trying to be nice. Let people in like, yeah. Yeah, no. I had the same experience of Florida.  Like I was like kind of like just running the whole time it felt like trying to get Everett to his event and to compete and do all this thing for gymnastics. He had fun, like he got there for nationals, what they call it. How did he do that? He did great. So he got like fourth in three of the competition. So yeah, so I was happy. It's funny too. And I'm proud of him. I was really proud of him. He was really like not okay about it. He was like, he was pissed he didn't get first. Oh yeah. And I'm just like, He's off the tree. What do they say? Like, you know, like I get that. Like, but you know, like, and then we talked about the lesson of that and what we need to do to be able to produce that type of a level of excellence. And we noticed what they did differently than him. And we had a good conversation about that. So it was like, it was really good. Like I was glad that he was able to kind of step back and really like assess that. And like, no, like, hey, I could have done this. I could have done that.  So I was proud of him. But we tried to make, you know, a short trip out of it and do some fun stuff. And so last minute, like we booked this airboat. It was such a trip, dude. Can I just tell you- Wait, are these the ones with the big fans? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can I just tell you, I was hoping for like a character.  He was, he was out of game. He does, he literally lived there. So we got, we got the guy that he's got, there's one island that was manmade in just hundreds of miles of swamp and he's there. He has a three story house. Like the top of it, he built just so you could look out and like see, and it was, oh my God, it was hot. It was, it was just, it was like a hundred degrees was like 80%, he made me something. It was just nuts. Melt your skin. Dude, he had like pet alligators. We're like feeding him. He had, he raises turtles. And so the kids like got to like get this bucket of turtles and then we're out there like spreading them around. Oh, okay. So I totally thought you guys were feeding the turtles to the alligators. I was like, yeah, that's ruthless, bro. No, he's baby turtle. Like, well, we got, if you saw his story. Maybe, yeah. The first clip, the first clip is alligators.   Well, nature is metal. Oh, that's, yeah. No, I know, yeah.  What do we feed them? Baby dolphins?  Dude, I mean, the guy like literally lives there by himself, nobody else, no family, no, like he's just there. Like, I'm like, what do you do? Isn't it crazy how different people are and how okay they are? Yeah. You know, it makes you feel kind of like, well, I mean, he's cool. Bro, he's like a nice, really nice guy. Like very outgoing. He trains like military and police and like law enforcement. And he was just like a very cool guy, but like so bizarre for me. I can't even imagine like that lifestyle and like living like that.  Like the rest of us will be dead. I mean, that dude will be okay. Yeah. The rest of us. For sure. We wouldn't make it, yeah. Now you were up in- Yeah, yeah. I was, I really disconnected this week. It was really nice for me to, one of the things I love about being up there is that it's easy to just kind of throw the phone to the side and I mean, I think I got on there and might have posted a couple of times some videos of some of the stuff. Which is all family time. All family time. Yeah. It was up there with my, this is our annual trip that I do. This is now the fourth year, fourth or fifth year in a row, same week, same time, same everything that we go with the same group. And it's cool. Cause, I mean, we have two, four, five, we have five kids under five there, right? So, and they've all been doing this since they were all born. Oh, that's a good time. So it's kind of cool to watch every year like the evolution of what the trip is like for us.  The kids, we're actually now at this age where we only have one that is like a little, you know, one and a half year old, the rest are four, five plus years old.  It's like, we had that kind of moment where we were gaining little freedoms. Yeah, well, I remember us talking about it when we were all in the thick of it, right? When it was like full, full court defense for all of us on kids, right? Like, cause they were so little going like, man, one day we're all going to be able to sit back here and have a beer and just let them, let them roam and play.  And so it was, it was nice. Yeah, I know people talk about those early stages like, oh my God, that's why I don't want to have kids. It's so hard. It doesn't last that long.  And then, yeah. And then you miss it. So I flew, we flew to Arkansas with the two little ones. So we got my two and a half year old and my eight month old and flying, you know, you have to take two planes cause there wasn't a direct flight. Flying with two little ones is definitely a different experience, right? I flew back before them cause they're still up there. I'm going to fly back again and then come back with them so that Jessica doesn't come alone on the plane or whatever. So on the way back, I'm like, oh, I get to fly by myself. Like this is going to be so cool and relaxing. I'm going to sleep or whatever.   So I start playing with someone else's kids, you know? I start missing them, you know? And it's just, it's so funny. It's day two for me, day two. I've already figured this out. So day one, you're like, yes. Day one, it's nice to me. I don't know if you're on the same page. Oh, you need a break. Day one is like, yeah, I needed like a day of like only being responsible for myself, you know? And then by day two, I'm like, all right, I miss my kids. So I want to ask you guys this. This is, because I tell my wife this, but she doesn't believe me. She thinks I'm just being nice.  Usually she's wearing sweats when this happens or whatever.  When I see her doing that, like I'm like, she's, I annoy her cause she's like, get off me. She's, it's so attractive to me. So we're flying there and she's like managing the kids. And I mean, I'm helping, you know, we're working together but I'm watching and then we get there and we were staying in, what are they called? Trailers. So we're on, her mom has a little piece of land and we were staying on trailer. So that's super comfortable for me. I'm not a big, you guys know this. You and I are kind of have this in common, Adam. I'm not a camping person. I don't like being uncomfortable. I don't like that kind of stuff. But you know, she's with her family. I seen her playing with the kids and being with the other kids. And I'm watching her.  And I tell her this, she's like, you're lying. I'm all sweaty and gross. I'm like, that is not. I think that is that way for, I don't know. That's my experience. I mean, when we had, even when she was pregnant, from the moment she was pregnant, most certainly once she had the baby. And then also to see the way she raised my son. Although I kind of knew it but it's different when you see it, right? Like I knew that the type of woman that she was before we ever had a child together. And I assume that, you know, I believe in the how you do anything is how you do everything type of mentality. So I believe that she would attack motherhood the same way she did anything else. But actually seeing it is an unbelievable turn on. And it's, and what's really unique release in my situation is that that shifted a lot because the original thing that I was so attracted to was her independence. Like her being a woman who self-made, take care of herself, doesn't need any help type of, like that was like super attractive to me.  Seeing her be a mother is far more attractive to me. So that's really been an interesting dynamic in our relationship for that to pivot. Yeah, so because I tell her that and she doesn't believe me. She thinks I'm being nice because she's like, because I don't have my makeup on. I don't have my, you know, I didn't take a shower or whatever. I'm like, honey, I swear to God, you could be like, like haired to shovel whatever. When I see you do that stuff, it's still, it's like the hottest thing in the world. So amazing. And I think there's a lot of dads out there that know exactly what I'm talking about. So this is to the moms out there. If your husband tells you this, he's telling the truth because it's a, you know, it's a real thing. I imagine women have the same thing.  Him working on the house and fixing things up and keeping things in order like that. That's probably a really attractive, attractive thing for her, you know, to see that. I know I get attracted to lean into that. Justin fixing that thing over there. Able body. I can do it. That's pretty awesome. Dude, I gotta tell you guys that we have Caldera mentioned in today's episode. And I'll tell you what, dude, that their oil, the second I introduced it to someone, they're so sold that it's not even funny.  They put it on. That's it, done. It's the best thing they've ever used. And these are people who use skincare products. And so I'm not talking about like me where I wasn't a big skincare product consumer. They're so sold. Like whatever they did with that, specifically that formula is, and then I tried their soap. Oh, you finally used it. You were not exaggerating. I was not exaggerating. What is up with that lather? It's the best lather ever.  It's like dense thick. Amazing. Like luxurious. Nothing, I've never ever had a bar soap that lathers like that. Yeah, yeah. I don't have adjectives, dude. I'll be honest. In this direction, you know, it's like, I don't know, this is unfamiliar territory. Did you use it yet? It gets me clean. Yeah, it's like, it's nice, it's smooth. It's nice. I like it. It's really nice. I mean, I think part of the serum thing is like, because I was concerned when we first, obviously when we first started with them, because I was like, you know, while our audience receive it, is it something they're into? I'm into it. So maybe there's going to be a small percentage of people that are like me. I thought maybe that'll be enough. But what it is, Sal, is I think that the first time you use it, you can already see a difference. That's what I mean. It's sold so fast. Right, right. It's not like... I try this for a week or two. Some products, supplements, for example. It's like, oh, you got to take it consistently and then look at this and manage that and maybe this will feel better, maybe that. And it's like, man, it's so subjective.  And then it's compounding. The more consistent you are with it, the more... It's like the easiest product to sell because I'm just like, here, try this real quick. I want it. Or I'll send you some. It does require that. You got to try it.  Are you seeing what they're doing with their social credit system? They're doing new stuff now because it's been scary the whole time. Bro. So this is how crazy and advanced it's getting. If somebody calls you on your phone, so I'm going to get a phone call from someone, but that person has a below whatever number social credit system. Because, so for people who don't know in China, you have a social credit number and the government decides what gives you better points or what takes points away. So it's like, you know...  Or comments on social media. Right, right, right. I mean, it could be anything. Talking bad about the state. Yes, yes. So it could be whatever they decide. It's a lot more than just stuff like that, right? So if somebody calls you on your phone with a specific credit score or the social credit score, your phone won't ring, it'll alarm. Mwah, mwah, mwah. So now everybody around you knows and if you answer it, your score goes down. Like simply talking to that person, okay? Ready for this? It gets even deeper. They now also track you based on your score and on your phone, it will alert you if you're within a certain amount of distance from somebody with a low score. If you stay close to them, it will affect your credit score in a negative way. In other words... It's a screwed up way to live. In other words, like you avoid...  What an interesting experiment. I'm like, so... How far do you think the Chinese people lab rats... Yeah, how far do you think they'll let it go? Like, do you think at some point they're gonna be like, okay, this is way too near? Well, they'll let it go until it backfires. Like right now, the reason why, I mean, it's real easy for us on the outside over here to look over on poker and be like, oh, that's ridiculous, that's crazy. But they wouldn't continue implementing it if they didn't see things that they thought were working. For example, like as hard as they are with pushing education, so what the kids... I mean, the kids are learning at a faster rate and accelerating in so many areas. So to them, it's like, oh, okay, this is proving what we're doing is working and moving there. So I think it'll go until it really blows up in their face, until there's a big revolution, until someone pushes back really, really hard and you get chaos over it. Yeah, cause like literally if you're... If you're gonna start to isolate the society. That's what you're doing, you're gonna become sure. Not only are you not able to, cause before what it was, is you're not able to buy certain things, you're not able to get a train ticket, you're not able to get a plane ticket, but now it's gonna be that people don't even wanna be near you. So you'll be walking and people will go inside their social pariah, like yeah, where are they gonna hang out? Bro, that's crazy. Well, this whole underground, that's the thing, you're gonna create a lot of underground, you know, potential revolutionists. Maybe, right? That's what I feel. What would be really weird is like, so I think I talked about this before, we had an issue, Doug and I, on a payment that didn't go through, it was like an auto thing. And like, I mean, that, my credit still has not got all the way back to where it was, and that was like seven, eight months ago. And so imagine, and a lot of that is just the bureaucracy of all the people it has to go through in order for this auto payment to happen. And so it's like, this person, that's talked to this person, that's talked about that person, that's talked to this person, because it sold this to that bank. So that's gotta happen in China too, where there's like misunderstandings.  And like just recently I was like, that's the situations that I think are gonna be blocked. Because people are gonna say, well, people have been ostracized for all of history, for whatever reason. But this is very different because who's controlling, that there's people who are controlling this and they control the narrative. So if you have the wrong political view, if you have the wrong opinion, if you didn't do that, whatever. You read the article that Doug just pulled up? In China you get a special warning before you call people who owe money, telling you to get them to pay up. So imagine you get a call from Justin. Hey, what's up out of, by the way, you got to pay back Doug, okay, don't forget. Like, wow, you know?  This is crazy.  This is like on steroids. So the part that always shocks me and you made a great reference with Nazi Germany at the same time is that the amount of people that go along with it. Yeah.  But what's even crazier to me is that there's millions of people that comply and agree. Yeah. It's so tyrannical. That's more crazy. And like it's like from the outside it's easy to see that but when you're living in it and it's a slow drip. And again, and this is what I get alarmed all the time and you know, lumped in the conspiracy category but it's just I get, I pay attention to signs and ways things move and how society is kind of shaping itself in a direction. And that's where it's like, we have to have firm boundaries and establish those boundaries or they're gonna disappear. And once they disappear, They don't come back. What's, you know, it can be replaced with. Yeah. So it's, I just feel like in terms of like a country and like the way that we have a say right now with the way that things are run and the government and the structure of it. We can get involved. We can do things. We actually have the ability to say something then say something. Yeah. I know. I know it's in what they do is they demonize the people that are always like, my, you know, leave me alone.  Leave me alone. I don't want the government encroaching people make fun of them. But they're the ones that are keeping things in check. I mean, it's just the reality.  And by the way, they always sell these bad ideas. The following way, it's better for the whole or it's better for society. Sure. Or this is better for everybody.  Yeah. That was used. That's how they always sell this. No, no, no, we got to do this because it keeps everybody safer and it's better for everybody. That's how they always sell it. It's never sold like we're gonna take away your, your independence or whatever. Hey, so you know what I've been combining? I know you guys know I combine stuff all the time. I found a great combination of supplements that is like jet fuel. Really? Yes. So I do Organify Peak Power, which is like their version of a pre-workout, right? We've talked about them before. It's got caffeine in it, but there's botanicals and stuff in there that balances out the caffeine spike. So you just feel like amazing. And I took it with Pure. Together. Together. So Pure is not a stimulant, but it does have a kind of a new tropic effect. What a combination. Yeah, dude. So I guess it's kind of future or what? I've kind of done that. I've done like Pure before our podcast and then like two hours later, I take the peak. So that's not exactly together, but I mean, I'm getting the benefits of both. Mix them together, dude. Really? Oh yeah, bro. It's fire. It is such a smooth, clean like energy. It's so productive. I mean, it's like euphoric borderline. So it's a pretty cool combination. Well, both those products by themselves are fire products. Yeah. Also shout out. I want to give a shout out. I've talked about this before on the show, but never an official shout out. It's a series that was recorded in the 1970s starring Milton Friedman. It's called Free to Choose. It was a life-changing series that I saw about, I want to say 15 or more years ago on YouTube and it was, for me, it was just profound. It's an incredible series. It's as relevant today as it was back when it was first aired and people have seen me wear shirts with Milton Friedman's face on them. That's why, because of that series right there. So check it out.  You probably do because you listen to the show, but sometimes because kids can be picky, they eat some foods and not others, they have nutrient deficiencies or they're not eating appropriate or optimized levels of nutrients. Well, there's a company that makes a children's vitamin. They're not gummies. They're not fillet sugar. They're not candy. 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Because you're more than likely going to do more than just abs. Very few people just go to the gym and just do abs, you know, only in order to. Yeah, because you don't want to have fatigue core and then do squats. Dead lifts or presses. Yeah, so I think the staple move is to just add it at the end of the routine. And then at that point, it's very similar to every other muscle. I mean, the more frequent you hit it, the better, but you also got to modify intensity based off that.  If you're only training abs once a week you can go a little bit harder intensity, but a lot of the same, it's a muscle. It's a lot of same rules apply. I think the one thing that I would just keep into mind is that it is your foundation in all movements. Like your core is always having to be activated and worked. And so you don't want to be doing these big compound lifts, overhead presses, even bench pressing, squatting, deadlifting, and have fatigued your core first. You want to do it afterwards. You're basically increasing your risk of injury is what you're doing. I would like to address those some myths around ab or core training. One of them being, well, just generally speaking they need to be trained somehow differently than other body parts in terms of reps and in terms of sets and frequency. The abs in the core respond to strength training like every other muscle in the body. They're not some unique different way to train them because they somehow respond better to let's say high reps or train them every day versus three days a week or two days a week like other body parts. It's the same. So if your, let's say your shoulders respond really well to sets of eight, will your abs respond well to sets of eight? Yes, they also will.  Strength training is strength training. That's the other thing I want to say is that people think high reps are the only way to train the core. Now I get where that comes from. It doesn't come from the fact that the core responds better to high reps. It comes from the fact that perfect form is very important when you train the core and training the core with heavy resistance, you increase your risk of injury. And if you hurt your low back, well now you're not doing well at all. So, but heavy resistance is great for the core so long as a form is perfect. That's true for the rest of the body that they're special consideration, I would say for the core. But train like any other body part, good resistance, full range of motion. You're probably looking at between a total of nine to 18 sets per week, one to three days a week total of training. And that's pretty much it. Yeah, I think that's why the, I think it really requires like really good technique when you go to load these type of exercise and do an actual strength exercise with your core. Whereas you can get away with a little bit more if you do like lower reps or higher reps and more volume.  Next question is from Preacherman. Joe, what is the best body fat percentage to be in for health? Oh, I love this question. This is a good question because- This is not an answer. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so I mean, so the data does show when body fat percentage starts to become a negative in terms of health, both on the low end and on the high end. So for men, when body fat- More clearly with women, I would say for sure. Well, it's just a different range. Yeah, yeah. So for men, once you start to get into the single body fat percentages, you start to see negative impacts on hormones. Okay. So below 10%. Now there's an, I want to real quick- Yeah.  This is general. There's a wide variance with an individual in respects to body fat percentage. But generally speaking, if a man starts to go into the single digit body fat percentage range, you start to see hormone changes that are not favorable. Things like lower testosterone, higher cortisol levels throughout the day, stuff like that.  So it's above 20%.  Like 9% to 20% is a massive range. I also want to say that being fit and having a high body fat percentage is great. It's not perfect, but being fit at any body fat percentage improves your health.   For women, when they start to go below 16, 17%, you start to see hormone negatives. When a woman goes above 30%, then you start to see the negatives associated with high body fat percentage.  Really, it's like there's a body fat percentage that seems to be best for you, that's within that range, and being fit within that range is what you want.   And then you can see someone who's higher body fat percentage, but very fit, their body fat percentage in that case also wouldn't say a whole lot about their health. Yeah, I feel like the best answer for this is you will know better than anybody. I mean, there's that huge range that you're talking about, and then there's also these outliers that actually even break that rule. So really, you understand all these markers, like you're getting your hormones checked and seeing how balanced and healthy you are there. Looking at things like sleep, like libido, like sustained energy throughout the day, like how well you sleep, how well you get up in the morning.  Resistance to illness. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  That's the one I noticed when I got here. So it's like, yeah, when all those things are the best they've ever been for you, you're probably in that range for yourself. And if you don't look super shredded, who cares? Yeah, I mean, that's how I've been, I've told you guys this before, I felt healthier post bodybuilding era time in my life than I did actually in that era. And then also things like you take account for, which I didn't even mention is like joint health, like your mobility and flexibility and control and like those things matter too. Well, wouldn't you say too?  I feel like there's not a lot of people that even pursued that long enough to know the difference. And so it's like their normal is their normal. And then it's really bad, you know, from normal in terms of their health markers go. So I don't know, it's again, this is such a subjective. Yeah, but I think that's such a great point you're bringing up right now that this is why I think everybody would benefit from getting themselves to the lowest body fat percentage they've ever been. See what that feels like. Just see what that feels like. See what it feels like. Because to your point, which is more often than not, people think that they feel normal or feel good, but that's only because they've never felt great before. Their normal or their good is what the best they've ever felt, but they don't realize there's another level of feeling great because they've never leaned out to that percentage. So it would behoove everybody to push themselves to a body fat percentage that is leaner than they've ever been so they can feel that and then they can go back the other direction and find out where is that sweet spot.   If you chase the lean body fat, you oftentimes sacrifice all the other stuff so the health starts to decline. So, and it's also a more sustainable approach psychologically. If I'm only looking in the mirror and trying to make sure that I stay a particular body fat percentage, that's a very hard way to keep a sustainable routine, but if I'm like monitoring how I feel, my health, my function, that's a lot easier and the side effect of which is, oh my God, I look at, one more thing I'll add is the range, so I'd love to ask you guys this. What is, have you guys identified the body fat percentage you tend to go in when you're doing, when you're the healthiest, when you feel the best? For me, that number used to be, and I say used to, cause I'll add something here, used to be about 11, 12%. 11, 12% is where I would fall when I was kind of doing everything right and it felt good and healthy and I wasn't trying to get too shredded or I wasn't trying to bulk too much, it was just, it felt good. Since going on TRT and using some peptides, that number actually changed. Now my natural, my healthy body fat percentage range sits at about 9%, so it's something else to consider, whereas before 9% wasn't necessarily healthy, I'd have to kind of push myself to get there. 9 to 11 for me. Okay. 9 to 11 I think is like the really good sweet spot. So lower and higher than you noticed. Yeah, lower and higher and I start to notice bad thing. 9 to 11% I feel phenomenal and in close to those on both ends, I feel pretty damn good too as you start to venture further and further from there. So you get sub 6%, now I'm starting to see like my immune system's weak and like I feel frail and I'm definitely not, I'm not sleeping the best, my libido starts to dive. Same thing on the other in the spectrum as I start creeping beyond 14, 15%, I start getting closer to 16, 17, north of 15%. I start to say libido starts to dive a little bit, sleep isn't as good, I feel lethargic and so yeah, 9 to 11 is kind of where I'm at.  It's probably higher than you guess. I can feel you. I was gonna be like 20, 25.  I would guess, this is a great example of individual variance. I would guess you're probably your healthiest around 15, 16. Yeah. Yeah, I would say. 15, 16. That's, you know that that's the number that you see a lot of athletes tend to fall on that, that 15th. I feel like shit if I'm lower, I'll be honest with you guys, yeah, if I'm like in the 10 range or whatever, which I've rarely done, but like it's just, it just doesn't feel good at all. Yeah. No, there's a good example, right? The three of us were all a little bit different. You and I had them a little more similar. Yeah, well, I think that's a perfect example. Like I'm more of an ectomorph. Like I definitely have a body type that is naturally I was the super skinny lean kid. And so that's like, if I were to just not track calories, not exercise, not do anything, just go about my day, eat when I felt hungry. I wouldn't be this kind of real skinny frail frame. That's kind of my body type and what feels kind of natural to go that route. By the way, and this is another thing just to mention this individual variance thing, it's probably not true that your genetics put you in this super high body fat percentage. And you're like, oh, this is just where I like to sit. There is a variance, but it's within a particular range. And the reason why I'm saying this is you see people talk about like, oh, this is my genetics, you know, I'm a man, I'm at 27% body fat. That's probably not your genetics. It's probably a lot of lifestyle. I bet if you ate and worked out and did things in a healthy way, you'd probably fall under 20%. Well, there's so many of you mentioned lifestyle that we didn't touch on that, I think is a factor of our healthiest also. You know, one of the things it, for me to be sub 9%, even 8, 7%, it takes a level of sacrifice and discipline in my life that I don't think is the healthiest version of me either. I'm so glad you said that, that's a part of health. Like, you know, like in order to do that, I kind of have to say no to most all, you know, alcohol engagements with family and friends. Like I'm not eating my ice cream occasionally. I'm not having the desserts.  And yeah, I might feel pretty good physically at that leaner body fat percentage, but I don't psychologically and socially. It's a balance. It's not as great either. Like, then I have to, I turned down things that I would not turn down. Like if I really wanted to do something with family or friends. So I think you have to also kind of factor that in, but also have the self-awareness to the point that you're making about being 27% saying, oh, this is just where my body likes to be. It's like, there's also the other side of like, oh, well, I've drank every weekend for the last five weekends in a row. Like, is that really- You have to be honest too. Yeah, is that really social balance? Or am I now like getting borderline? I can't have a weekend without getting drunk. Like there's an extreme on all levels, right? And so I do feel like when I start getting that lower single-digit body fat percentage, I sacrifice a lot of social events with family and friends. Next question is from Jason Snurb. If you guys started a strength athletic event, what exercises and rules would you evoke? Oh, so this is a cool question. I know, I feel like you made up that last name. Sorry, Justin. We're like 12 sometimes. I love it. Okay, so this is interesting because just off the top of my head, if you were to look at strength, when people think strength, they think how much weight you can lift for one rep. But really, strength is a few different things. There's that kind of strength, like maximal strength. Then there's strength stamina. So the ability to perform with strength repetitively without fatiguing- Functional strength. Well, functional strength would be how it applies to what you're doing. Right, right. And then there's a type of strength that gives you like grit. Like old man just like be able to just- Perseverance. Yeah, like isometric strength would fall on there, right? Like the ability to hold something or just the kind of workload strength that I guess you would put under grit. So if I put together an athletic event, I think I would want like all three of those because I can think of lots of people that would do good at one of those. Very few people would do well with all three of them. But where would you put multi-planar strength too? Because I think that would have to be in there somewhere. Something, there has to be a movement that challenges you other than the sagittal plane too. Otherwise, you're missing out on that. I think that could be in- Cross stamina. Yeah, I think that could be in all of them almost. But yeah, I mean, you can make a strength, the max strength out of it. Yeah, it would be have to be like a bend press or a windmill or a movement that- So you could do that for maximum- That's what I meant by functional strength. Yeah, so you could do a maximal strength test with that. You could also do a stamina strength test. So functional, I mean, in terms of multi-planar, sorry. You could probably put that in almost every category. So in other words, the movements themselves, that would be fun to put together. But what I would want to test would be those three things. You know what I'm saying? Like, okay, maximal stamina- I would want to put something like- I see what you're saying though. You want to make sure that you would test the body's ability, not just in the sagittal plane. That's right, because we already have- We already have power lifting events do that already. That's right, power lifting events already address what you just said right now. Yeah, I know you're sure about that. But an event where you have something like a Turkish get-up, a bent press, a windmill, something that also says, like, I can move left to right or rotate my body and do it very strong and controlled. I would want an exercise in there that highlights that. Yeah, my favorite with that suggestion is the grit portion of it, because I just don't feel like that's one of those feats of strength that's very highlighted, you know, very often. You don't see that a lot in terms of, like having to hold and then hold your body in position for a certain amount of time that's like, like super demanding and challenging. It's like, it's one of those unsexy type of exercises that like, it's just, it's not popular for reasons.  I think it's gonna fall off, yeah. That is, that's grit. That's a different kind of strength and there's, and you develop it differently. You train it differently and it's a type of strength that you're gonna want in the real world. I remember working in a restaurant. So I was a 16 year old boy. I'd already been lifting weights for two years. I'm full of testosterone, love working out, whatever. And I remember they were teaching me how to throw the pizza in the air and then how to carry the trays out. And I remember my arm and shoulder getting soaked. It's like, what is it, a five pound tray, not even? But because I had to walk around and hold it, I didn't have the, whatever that is, the isometric strength to do that. Yeah. So I remember as a kid being like, oh man, I could overhead press so much weight but that little tray just made my hand and- One of my favorites, this is kind of funny. You mentioned that I was on this cruise with my brother and my family and they were doing like a competition. They had really silly competitions. They had one that was like about popping like a balloon on somebody's lap and all this. It was like really weird. Oh, so it looks like sexual, yeah, it's awkward. But the one that I decided to do was like, you had to hold like these buckets out wide like you're doing a lateral raise and you just had to hold it like that. For time? You have like no leverage, right? For time. And you just see people dropping like just like flies. Yeah. And I'm still holding it. Like, vanes just exploding everywhere. And then like, I just love that. And it's like, nobody challenges themselves like that anymore. You know who knew that? The old wise bronze era strength athletes. All of them performed exercises and then feats of strength that would highlight stuff like that. Like we just talked about grit. There was a strong, there was a competitor, not a competitor, I don't know what you call him. He was a bronze era strength athlete, the mighty Adam. Everybody needed to look this guy up.  Yes. So and the reason why these athletes back then understood all these different versions of strength is because they were displaying strength in an era where everything was physical. Yeah. So if, oh, great. You could use relatable. Yes. You got to make it relatable to real world. Like if you can do something, like I don't know what that is right there that you lifted, but if you lifted a carriage or you held something like I, you know, I do stuff like that all the time. Oh my God, you could bend a nail with your fingers. You know, I work with nails every day. Right. Like, and so they train that way and their physiques reflected it. If you look at their bodies were just, they look like they were carved out of grass. Well, I think this also highlights a lot of what we try and talk about on the show of why it's important to kind of move in and out of all the different programs that like we've written is the idea is that like, if you just stick to the like one type of training, one modality all the time, you're missing out on so many other aspects of strength. Strength isn't that basic where it's just like, oh, just cause you can lift a dumbbell or a barbell up that's really heavy. It doesn't mean you're strong in all these other aspects. And so moving through all the different programs, especially with what we have planned for the rest of the year. I feel like we've done a pretty good job of, well, I think we've done a good job of really addressing a lot of those things that we've communicated on the show.  Just wait to see what we got. Next question is from Ginger Wolfe. How can I convince someone whose primary goal is to lose weight that they should take creatine? The same way you convince them to lift weights. So if someone wants to lose weight, why is lifting weights so beneficial? Well, because muscle is very metabolically active. It's calorically expensive. When you build it or you send the signal to build it and fuel your body appropriately, it speeds up your metabolism. Now you burn more calories all the time on your own, which makes getting lean easier and definitely makes staying lean easier. So how does creatine fall into that? Creatine helps build muscle. Creatine improves metabolic health. It improves mitochondrial function. Creatine, in essence, helps you speed up your metabolism. In fact, in fact, I bet you, I don't even know if they've done the study, but I bet simply taking creatine causes the body to burn a little bit more calories on its own, even without anything else happening. That's probably not a huge effect, but just the fact that your mitochondria has more ATP, I bet you you see a little metabolic boost from creatine. So whether you want to lose or gain weight or even improve your health. Well, I think the first thing you would have to correct the person that's saying they just want to lose weight. And it's like, do you want to just lose weight or do you want to lose fat? And if you want to lose fat, then one of the best things that we could possibly do is to build muscle. And if you want to build muscle better and faster, then creatine is a supplement that supports that. To me, that's like the easy end all. But you have to first correct where the premise of the question, right? If someone is saying something like, I just want to lose 10 pounds, why should I take creatine? And well, do you just want to lose 10 pence on the scale? Because if that's not, that's not that hard to do.  No, what you're saying you want to do is you want to lose 10 pounds of fat. If you want to lose 10 pounds of fat, one of the best, fastest and sustainable ways you can do that is actually speeding your metabolism up and building more muscle. One of the best, if not the best supplement to aid in that would be creatine. Yeah, I'm trying to look up and see if I can find any studies that support this. This is obviously, I'm doing this while we're on the show. I'll try and find some. But if it helps you build muscle, that'll boost your metabolism. But I have a hunch that if you did a study, and I don't know if they've done this already, that you took a bunch of people, had them take creatine, do no exercise, nothing different, that you would see a metabolic boost from the creatine alone. Yeah. I would imagine that was the case. Well, I think you would see it just in energy, right? With somebody who is, if you took 10 people, you know, create both, say 20 people all want to lose body fat, 20 people, 10 people take creatine, 10 don't, I think you'll see a difference in performance in the 10 that took it. Of course, and you get better brain activity, better function of the mitochondria, which all translates into more calorie burning. It's a wellness, all those other attributes that we brought up too, about this potential use for a little cognitive health and all those things. So yeah, I just think it's one of those types of supplements that's so well studied that it's probably a good idea. You're dumb to not take it, essentially. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to mindpumpfree.com. We have a bunch of free guides that can help you with all kinds of health and fitness goals. You can also find all of us on social media. So Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump Justin. 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