Good afternoon everyone and welcome to another edition of Let's Talk About It. We will be talking to Dr. Samuel, today's edition of Cancer with Dr. Denise Ajo. Welcome, thank you for joining us. About 10,000 cancer deaths were recorded in the recorded yearly across the world. About 10,000 are from Nigeria. So where are we now? There's an increase in the percentage of people with lung cancer who are living longer after the diagnosis, partly because more people are being diagnosed at an early stage. So I want to welcome you all to this particular edition with Dr. Denise Ajo as on Let's Cancer and in the house we've got a specialist. Dr. Samuel is a consultant, radiation and clinical oncologist. He is the chairman of the Nigeria Medical Association and the National Committee on Cancer. He's also a lecturer at the Federal University of Health Science Utupu Benwistit. Welcome to this conversation and thank you for taking your time out to join us. My pleasure, thank you. And to all our viewers, we're going to say, sit down, relax. Get your pens if you want to get information, but also at the end of it, we will be sharing how you can also participate and get more information going forward. So Dr. Samuel, I am now well and truly relaxed and trust me, I have a lot of questions for you. What is cancer and what is lung cancer? So there's cancer? Yeah. Precisely. Bam, thank you. Yeah, so there's actually two questions and it's better you ask it that way because it's easier to understand the second part when you get to understand the first part better. Cancer generally is a disease in which some cells in the body only defy the natural checks and balances that have been placed to control everything about them. Maybe I should explain that if you break down the human body into its smallest component, what you will get is called a cell. Now, the human body is made up of trillions upon trillions of cells, but every one of these cells seem to have a natural check and balance placed by nature that controls how large they grow, how fast they grow, how old they get to live before them, how many times they live. And as such it's so complicated that ordinarily if you take a cell from one part of the body, let's say you take a cell from the lungs and transfer them to the liver, the cells in the liver will only recognize the cell as, oh, this is a foreigner, it doesn't belong here, they gather together and they kill it. It's in the same body, but it's in a different part of the body. Now that's how complicated and how well regulated the cells are in the body, as many in trillions as they are. Now, for some inexplicable reason, some particular cells suddenly gain an ability to defy these checks and balances placed by nature. So they grow older that in fact they don't just grow old, they virtually become immortal. They gain an ability to grow and keep growing, they do not respect that control with regards to size. So they can grow bigger and bigger to the point where they get to compress other normal cells around them and kill them. Now, the most funny aspect of them is the fact that they even gain an ability to move from the part where they started to any other part of the body. That is what we call metastasis. So they have, they gain an ability to metastasis to a different part of the body. So somebody could have a cancer that starts from the tip of the toe and before you know it, they have metastasis to the brain or to the lungs or to the liver. And when they get their cells in this new environment, do not see them as foreign. Instead, they see them like the landlords in that place right now and assume they seem to bow to them and give them everything they need. So they become, they begin to torment the cells in this new environment. Now that is cancer. Any cell that's suddenly for an inexplicable reason develops an ability to outgrow its normal level of growth, to sustain itself in a totally new environment becomes a cancer cell. Now cancer can occur from any part of the body, head to toes. As long as it's made up of living cells, it can develop into a cancer cell. So when cancer cells develop from the lungs, we call that lung cancer.  They develop from the stomach, stomach cancer. So they are classified basically from the site in which they originate. So lung cancer is cancer cells that originate primarily from the lungs. Thank you for schooling us in the layman language. What Dr. Samuel has just explained is the first time I've heard the explanation of this whole cancer thing in that way because I always got it in a slightly different way, but maybe a bit more technical. So now you've answered it and brought it to ordinary man English because I always knew that there was, we all have cells because I always say to people everybody has cancer cells, but it's whether they wake up or not. See, I'm not a medical doctor. I'm getting very good. I'm getting very, very good. And you answered the first two questions that I had for you because you were then able to tell me the differences between how these cells work. So these normal cells and no normal cells. So thank you. You went there. So now the next question. What are the risk factors for lung cancer? Well, thank God you specified for lung cancer because usually the risk factors for cancers depend on the exact cancer we're talking about. So for lung cancer, the most common risk factor is smoking, cigarette smoking. Now, for cancers, we don't usually talk about costs. We talk about risk factors. That is because irrespective of how much you think a particular factor is responsible for a cancer, you are likely to still find an individual who has that cancer that is not exposed to that factor at all. So when you call that factor a cost of the disease, you would be also labeling that individual who has developed that disease without getting exposed to that factor as having been somebody. So if we say smoking is a cost of lung cancer, then how do we explain about the five to 10% of individuals who develop lung cancer without ever being exposed to primary or secondary smoking? But the majority of patients who develop lung cancer, over 90%, 80 to 90% of them are individuals who have smoked for a very long time or at least have been exposed to what we call secondary smoking. That is an individual who has stayed in a place where others are smoking. How many packs of cigarette do you smoke in a day?  Now, when we say 20 pack years, it's like saying somebody has smoked at least a pack of cigarette every day for 20 years. Now, it will differ if somebody smokes two packs of cigarettes, it means that person could make 20 pack years within 10 years. If somebody smokes four packs of cigarettes in a day, that person could make 20 pack years within five years. If that person smokes half a pack of cigarette a day, it will take him 40 years there about to get 20 pack years. But if you do an extrapolation, you get an idea of what I'm talking about, that if an individual smokes on the average, one pack of cigarette a day for 20 years, the risk of lung cancer is quite significant. There are other factors, but these ones are now factors that we do not have control over some of them. For instance, if somebody has a relative, a first degree relative who has developed lung cancer, it means that person also has a very high chance of developing lung cancer in their lifetime. But that is something we do not have control over. Now, there are a few other things that we might have some control over because they are environmental factors. For instance, there is radon gas. Radon is a radioactive kind of gas that is generated in the environment from the soil, from the water, from rocks around us. But it is radioactive. It comes from the natural breakdown of certain chemicals within our environment. And it could pile up, especially within homes where we live or within offices where we work, radon gas could pile up. And it is radioactive and has the propensity to damage lungs and eventually lead to lung cancer. So there are different levels of radon based on the different environments in which we live. But if the level of radon within our environment is higher than acceptable, then our chances of developing lung cancer within that environment becomes much higher. Asbestos is one of those products that used to be commonly used for our roofing, you know, as a form of insulator, you know, under our roofs. But right now, most asbestos have been faced out because it was realized that too long exposure to asbestos could lead to lung cancer. So it has been faced out. So exposure to certain chemicals like asbestos like cadmium, either from a place of work or from where we live, that is one. Exposure to gases, dangerous radioactive gases like radon is another factor. Well, I've talked about first, first term, first degree relatives, but the most important factor which is actually within the control of most people is cigarette smoking. You just said something, they didn't smoke. And I would say that if you check a lot of people that have had lung cancer or diagnosed with lung cancer as a primary, they have actually felt very angry because they say, I didn't smoke. I don't smoke. But now with your explanation, it helps us to see why the challenges can be. Okay, so my next question will go. In light of that, how does lung cancer present in patients? Yeah, it happens in the lungs, basically. So the most common feature is likely to be related to the lungs. And that is cough. For most people, it is a cough that starts suddenly and refuses to go away. That is a very strong pointer. But for others, it progresses to things like not just the cough, but what we call hemoptysis, that is coughing and seeing blood in the sputum that is produced. Now, all of these are related to the lungs, cough, hemoptysis, difficulty in breathing. All of that is related directly to the lungs. But in so many other people, let me just even start by saying that lung cancer presents without any symptom at all in the early stages. So for many people, and this accounts for why it tends to present late, because one could have lung cancer in the early stages and never get to know, would not even have a cough, would not even have a discomfort whatsoever.  They just feel some form of weakness that they do not understand. They get easily fatigued. They get, you know, they just have a sense of being unwell. All of that could be lung cancer. And in many people, that is how it comes. And they do not show any signs whatsoever. But when it becomes large enough, when it becomes advanced enough to begin to bring out symptoms, that's when we begin to talk about that's when we begin to talk about hemoptysis that's bringing out blood in the sputum. And then we begin to talk about some difficulty in breathing. The person begins to have some difficulty breathing. They just feel it has some pain when they breathe or they feel some, they just feel that the air is not going down there into the lungs the way it should. Now that is because of the lung cancer. But very importantly, it could also present as a feature for the first time of what I explained earlier in metastasis. So we could just have a patient who suddenly has a headache, because the disease has didn't even show any symptoms at all in the lungs, but has the brain could suddenly have a headache, will suddenly start advancing, will suddenly lose consciousness, will suddenly have what we call a pathological fracture. What should not ideally break a bone certainly leads to, you know, a fracture because the bone has been affected by a metastatic cancer and is weaker than usual. So a slight pain that shouldn't cause a fracture or some significant pain in a distant site of the body, maybe in a bone or somewhere, and then we suddenly do some further work and realize that, oh, this is a secondary disease. Where is the primary? Where did it start? Oh, we see something in the lungs and realize that that is where it started from. So it will start from primary, secondary, any of those parts.  And a lot of people always ask, what do you mean? I say, you can just have a cough and before you know it, that can be cancer. And so anything that's persistent can be cancer. So just make sure you have any everyday persistence. Then you then highlight it and I know you don't know me personally. So it didn't make sense when you came up to the metastasis and you put the brain because actually I'm going to now state, I am, I live with cancer, as I said, but I have breast cancer metastasizing in the brain and all the tumors are in the brain. They are not in the breast. In the primary site, yes. Yes, they're not in the primary site. So now you see how you just explained something and I know you didn't know that. So it's very interesting. Okay. So now let's take this and let's take a break at this point and we'll come back to this very interesting conversation everyone. So let's just take a break and we'll come back again. Thank you. Welcome back everyone. Thank you for joining us on this cancer with Dr. Denise Ejo. Gosh, we're having a fantastic discussion on lung cancer and it's quite interesting because even for someone like me who live with disease, I am actually having to learn a lot that I knew but I didn't know the meaning. So Dr. Samwell, we're really having a fantastic time. Yeah, can you talk us through the cancer treatment and its options? Okay. Well, maybe I would just say that there are about five, six treatments for cancer generally. The first and the easiest to think about is surgery.  It's the oldest form of cancer treatment available and ideally it's supposed to be the treatment that offers the patients the highest chance of getting a cure. Now, apart from surgery, there is what we call radotherapy. Now with radotherapy, what we try to do is to use ionizing radiation.  I'm trying to be as simple as possible. Now, so we've talked about surgery, we've talked about radotherapy. Now there is chemotherapy. I mentioned the basic characteristic of cancer cells being their ability to grow more rapidly than the normal cells. Now, because they come from within the individual, it's difficult to get something about them to target and kill. And one of the things that is noticed about them that is very vital to them is their growth. So as they grow and reproduce, there are certain chemicals they produce a lot. So when we give chemotherapy, what we do is to target those chemicals that they produce. So we are targeting their growth, we are trying to halt their growth. I am mentioning this because I will just digress for 10 seconds and say that is why chemotherapy seems to have a lot of side effects and those side effects seem to affect more of other cells that by nature are also rapidly growing. Because when you are targeting the cancer cells because they are growing rapidly, you will also realize that there are other cells like cells in the bone marrow, like cells in the gut that are also by nature rapidly growing on a daily basis. So they are like cancer cells, but they are within the normal confines of nature. So when you are attacking the cancer cells growth, the chemotherapy also attacks these cells significantly and that way chemotherapy seems to have a lot of side effects like vomiting, like diarrhea, like you know the blood keeps going down because the chemotherapy affects all of these rapidly growing cells. So I have mentioned surgery, I have mentioned radiotherapy, I have mentioned chemotherapy. Now there is also what is called targeted therapy. Now this is a little bit more recent and that is because science has gone a little bit further to investigate a little bit more about the cancer cells themselves and try to find out something about them that makes them unique compared to every other cell within the body.  Now that way targeted therapy has significantly less side effect because it is targeted to the cancer cell itself. Now maybe a little bit technically I will talk about what we call stereotactic body irradiation. Now it is a form of radiotherapy just like I mentioned earlier, but in this case it happens with lung cancer cells that are very, very small. So instead of just irradiating the whole of the body or irradiating a large part of the lungs, lots of radiation sources are targeted all around that little tiny cancer cell and as such you have various radiation sources flashing radiation on a small point of the body at the same time you are able to get a very high dose of radiation to a very limited area of the lungs and that way kill we normally jokingly call it frying. It's like frying or totally eradicating the cancer cell but that is because the cancer cell is very small and for some reason the patient is probably not fit to undergo surgery. So stereotactic body irradiation could be used. Maybe the final modality I mentioned is what we call immunotherapy. Now I mentioned that cancer cells just seem to have a way of surviving within the body such that they could even move from one part of the body to the other. How they do this is by by evading finding ways of evading the body's normal immune response system. So what science is trying to do is to find ways of upregulating the body's immune system. So they give what we call immunomodulators. These immunomodulators tend to modulate the body's immune system upwards and make it easier for the body itself to fight against the cancer. I'm going to say something again that is going to surprise you. I've been through every single step you mentioned. The current chemo I take is for life so I take it every day for life. And apparently one of them is an immunotherapy. So you see I still have a bit of knowledge. So to those of you, you are looking all right.  You better just know that you will continue to find this. You are in a miracle. Honestly, I am in a miracle. We thank God. So let's go on now. So the next question I'm going to ask you.  Well, I think I will just give you one. That one is primary. That one is primary to every other. You see no matter how it looks like a dog or looks like a dog, it doesn't necessarily have to be a dog.  Now whether we do that by biopsy, by cutting open the lungs, whether we do that by immediate stimulus to me, whatever thing we do, if we're able to access a part of the cancer tissue and then examine it under the microscope and see cancer cells with our eyes under the microscope and describe them with precision, that becomes the only time a lung cancer is actually confirmed. It could be as easy as getting some of the sputum the patient produces. If this sputum contains cancer cells, if you examine it under the microscope, you would see the cancer cells. Now because the diagnosis of cancer is one that can be so life changing, we have to be as much as possible precise so that when you're telling a patient he has a cancer or she has a cancer, you should not have to come back tomorrow and say oh sorry that was a mistake, it actually wasn't.  So the most precise diagnosis for cancer is almost always a biopsy so that we can do a histological confirmation in the lab. Okay now so please can you just tell us please because this is one word that as non-medics we all hear prognosis.  Prognosis is actually saying what do you expect as an as a possible outcome of the disease that is prognosis so with prognosis we are actually saying with this disease how long does this patient have to live? What do we expect? Do we expect this patient to get cured? Do we expect this disease to be with this patient until the patient is no longer with us? Now that's prognosis you are trying to get an idea of the possible future outcome of the disease that sits in front of you and that's one of the reasons why we stage cancers all types of cancers are staged either stage 0 to stage 4 or sometimes stage 5 because the stage at which the patient presents to the oncologist determines the prognosis determines the possible outcome so am I hoping that this disease can get cured so let me be a little bit more radical in what I go about it going all out against it because I know I can get it get rid this patient of the disease or has the disease gone so advanced that I am not I know for certain that there is nothing I can do to really totally eradicate this disease this patient will have to live with the disease now those are decisions that the oncologist makes in the course of managing the patient and that precisely is what we refer to as prognosis. I have now gotten to understand the staging of cancer and I want the public to really understand that the earlier you get a diagnosis the better it is for you to to have good outcomes and the outcomes are variable so if we wait because like I said I have lost two people in the very short space of time and both of them somewhere in the story there was lung cancer mentioned and it's a shame because it's to do with metastasis and this word metastasis is another conversation for another day and I think I'm going to bring it up again because metastasis is some understanding what metastasis means to a lot of people and how it helps so as we draw to the end of this year because I want to thank you for watching this program with us Dr. Samuel I want to really appreciate you for everything you've done for me today because honestly it's me and you that know how we've gone this journey but I want to really appreciate you and I look forward to having you back on to really talk about this cancer from a different perspective and as we go on I'd like to share with everyone you can follow us on Komod Cancer Foundation we have a website which is dot org not dot Komod is dot org we've got a youtube page which is also Komod Cancer Foundation NG and these videos are there there are over 50 videos that create awareness on different types of cancers and I would suggest people to look out and find that find information because the more you know the better you the better chances you have of you have of getting the help you need at the right time from the right source understanding that there are less than a hundred oncologists in Nigeria means always find that oncologist not just a doctor an oncologist is who you need we are doing through the cancer journey and finally to everyone any questions you have you can go on to our instagram page our facebook page write questions send us share us your views and we will take you from there thank you for joining us and thank you plus tv for giving us these segments and thank you dr. Samuel for this thank you very much have a lovely day thank you very much


e's kind of talking about I think he's talking about maybe He's talking about basically You guys have released your guild applications. Stay safe and tips have released their guild applications I'm going to be releasing mine a little bit later and uh, I'm probably going to get on that relatively soon Once I kind of get some some stuff figured out with some of my officers and whatnot, but um He's talking about, you know, maybe some some planned guild fighting and you know, Hillsbrad or something like that some some like Little battles and stuff like that We've actually talked about a lot of different events that we want to put on maybe like classic ass related events and whether it's like dueling tournaments or All kinds of stuff we'll get into it more later because it's it's been a lot of just like, hey Like let's let's write this idea down. Let's do this or let's do that But I think our server is going to be a lot of fun to play on there's there's going to be events and stuff that we're doing all the time Uh, both personally and and as part of classic ass together, I think it'll be really cool to do all kinds of stuff like that Um, hopefully tips won't be on a different shard like he is now but But no, it should it should be a lot of fun. Yeah, it should be a lot of fun Um, so yeah, definitely definitely something that that we could see Yeah, absolutely when you think of vanilla why you think of like giant I mean, I think of like obviously Not not the sinister, but I think of The the funeral ganking. I think of the 40 paladins risk 40 shamans. I think of like these crazy player events and We want to have dual tournaments and gurabashi arena tournaments and all that stuff. I think is that's that's all planned Absolutely, it's going to be really badass Yeah, I think I think one of the big things, uh One of the one of the big concerns that you know has come up for us is like the the potential of like griefing and whatnot Um, not having like a ptr. I think I think having a classic ptr would be like really really good If if blizzard would go through and uh be able to actually like Set something like that up for us in order to be like doing do like dueling tournaments and stuff like that Yeah, I think would be really really cool. Um But yeah, we'll see we'll see how it goes. I mean if not like we'll uh We'll we'll have a lot of fun on our server. That's for sure. Um Hmm Let me see here I like this one What part of classic wow? I like this one for you Kaden a question for all of you Uh, what part of classic wow? Are you most excited about that is different from the current retail game? Uh, this is from welsiak on twitter and and we'll start taking some questions from chat as well too. Um Um Let's start with you What is what is the thing that you're most excited about as far as like I know I know you talked about like, you know Going through and like doing some of the black rock dungeons, right? Uh As far as like mechanically and certain things that you want to see what is something that's really exciting for you Um as opposed to the retail game, uh, I'm excited about two things two things in particular One is the old talents Because I feel like I've gone long enough for those. I I do like the new talent system. Don't get me wrong I talk about that a lot where it's like no, no, there's actually The new talent system is good for the current version of the game But the old talents in the old version of the game you have to have those old talents because the new talents are not They would not work. So I'm excited about getting to play with the old talent trees again And then uh on top of that attunements I Miss a tune. I love doing all the tbc attunements. That is like a huge thing I think is missing from wow like I know it's annoying I know it's frustrating to get people attuned up, but it was such a guild like camaraderie thing Or you helped people get attuned and you were doing it as a group like I love I love that. I want I want to have something like attunements again. And so I'm looking forward to Uh running with like a group of people and getting everyone attuned and like helping everybody All the rest of the guildies like, you know, get the right attunements to go into say molten core Going into any dungeons like I'm I want that really bad getting the keys like the old key ring getting everything I I want that. I'm really excited about that. Yeah Save save do you want to go?   You're going to get distracted You'll be world pvp'ing for three hours because you know, you'll be there You'll call some friends in horde people will call there. It's just like There you net the game is just such a crazy adventure and that's what I'm looking forward to the most Yeah, I think uh, I I totally agree with both you guys. Um One of the big things is kind of like a story I thought about you know when you're talking about attunements and stuff Uh, we had one of the tanks in my guild prod warrior Named JD. This is one of my private server stuff on the youtube videos. Uh, are my old youtube streams JD was I think at the time He might have been like the third tank in our guild, right? We had like four tanks and he was he was tank number three And he was a good player, right? We just we just had like different guys and We had just we'd been kind of funneling JD some gear and and trying to build him up and he watched the stream from time to time Yeah, JD and black panties. Yeah, dude. I missed those guys, man, but uh, basically what had happened was We knew that there was going to come a point in time. We're like JD's a good player We we need to prop him up and we need to build him up to uh be able to take over the role as like Main defensive tank, which is what ended up happening and black panties was our was our tps tank. So I remember JD.  We're getting him Liebrom's. We're doing diremaw We went to the the the burning steps and we did all this stuff We farmed some stuff for him I gave him some gold out of the guild bank to be able to get him some enchants We got him plus four like I remember he wanted to get plus three stats on his chest And I was like, dude, you're gonna have this chest for like at least five months just like I'll I'll help you out We'll we'll we'll get you the mats for plus four stats. I know it's more expensive. Here you go. Boom Like I know it's something as little as like one more to like strength stamina agility, whatever But it's like if you're gonna have something for that long, you know, you might as well do the best right best of the standard So so, you know, we ended up doing all that and It was just a good time, man and just kind of building that community and Your guild is like your family. This is kind of what I wanted to lead into Having a gill and don't get me wrong indestructible indestructible is a great gill dragon saber is awesome Like he's such a cool dude getting to meet him at blizzcon and stuff like they're great guys Um, but whenever it was like my guild on my private server, like this was genuinely like my family and I remember like whenever the the guild ended up eventually disbanding like I was so just I was like upset like I was physically worn out I was I was emotional about it because I didn't want Twofold I feel like My guild disbanded for a number of reasons right classic was announced and a lot of people kind of lost it My stream got banned. So it was hard to recruit I I felt like, you know, I was kind of like losing my friends, right because a lot of people they weren't just Guild disbands were done. They were like we're quitting the game Like I don't want to play with anybody else And then on the other side of the thing is like I kind of felt like I had failed a lot of people too Like and I know like it was happenstance, right where your You know the the classic comes out and people are just like, look, I got real life I want to do other stuff before doing it for real in classic and I just like having that that that feeling like it just sucked man And I still talk to some of those guys whenever I get a chance like they message and they watch from time to time um and you know, sure I'm not going to be able to play with everybody in classic, but uh I don't that's one of the things I'm looking forward to is getting able to reconnect with people Uh, both that I played with on private servers and retail. Wow. I think that's going to be really really special Tips we're looking forward to most about classic. Wow Oh, um The lack of sharding, uh, but no no for real. Um Just like you guys said the community uh playing with people seeing people like constantly repetitively over and over again Running to people that you know that you saw meeting new people Just the community side of things, you know, like, you know, we joke around about like the The ganking and stuff like that just having rivalries back and forth alliance horde um All the stuff that that doesn't really exist not just in retail, but really in any mmo today Uh, all of that stuff that that we experienced back in the day and some just all of that coming back is Is what gets me excited Yeah, for sure no doubt It's all about the community. I mean classic wow gameplay is good. It's really good. But I really think um, and I love it like Like leveling in vanilla. Wow leveling is my most favorite piece of wow content ever and any expansion More than rating or it's my favorite thing to do ever but still that being said The strongest selling point about classic wow is the degree to which it incentivizes fosters encourages necessitates teamwork communication camaraderie Grouping making friendships stuff like that and not just friendships, but rivalries um That's that's that's what goes on man. It's good.  That's that's so and so uh run away Like there was a multi rank one glad that we used to used to be on our battle group by the name of viral He used to be a big rogue And it was kind of like you you feared him. He would just he would rock you He would he would fight the one he wouldn't be one of the five people all the time It was very common that he would just roll over people if anyone from like the ruin battle group You probably know who i'm talking about. Yeah, someone said I know viral Yeah, he used to be like feared and if you got him in like a bg You would run away from him because you knew he would win no matter what you couldn't do anything about it Like you were just confused And I went I went I went that again I missed that server community kind of thing where you knew who you knew who everybody was and it was kind of A tighter knit community And even on the horde side you were intimately familiar with who these other people are because there was this mysterious Kind of name to them, but you just knew the name would come would come murder you Yeah, I always thought something was cool like, uh, I remember One of the this is kind of like an off story and This was it's happened in burning crusade and this is one of the times that like I was like, oh, I made it Like that's that's how I felt like I felt like I made it I I was pretty good at ret like I knew how to play my class. I didn't I wasn't a hardcore raider I was I would guild hump and I was kind of social whatever I was in middle school Um But I hit my stride and burning crusade and that's whenever I peaked I remember somebody put in a guild application for somebody had put in a guild application for playing a ret paladin and It was a guild application to a guild called aftermath on kelthuzad And this paladin put an application talks about all this stuff and okay this this this and one of my friends messages me and He's like dude. You got to check out this forum post on the aftermath forums And I'm like, okay So I look at the post and he's like go down to post number seven Scroll down to post number seven and basically I look through and this guy's applying talking about all this stuff And these people are like, okay, dude, whatever post number seven is like Hey, man Look, I'm sure rep paladins are great and all that you know You can bring one to a raid like we get that But like you're just not ready like is what he said like you're just not you're just not up to Enough for like what we're looking for in our guild. He said come back whenever you're on the same page as like Burnout, which is a guy who was like totally stacked Uh, it totally stacked clear. I think he was in high caliber and vanilla wow Uh, and he was a rep paladin Well, he's a holy paladin, but he got a bunch of red gear and he said burnout who that was a guy who I was like Man, I wish I had burnouts gear I always thought that and then he said somebody else and then he said or s-fand And I was like dude Like it was like such a moment of pride for me because I knew like Aftermath high caliber like some of these guilds like these are like hardcore like big-time guilds And then the fact that somebody mentioned me Like one of their officers mentioned me is like come back when you're like s-fand. I was like, dude I don't know. I just felt so good about that. I still think back on it. It just it's such a nice feeling Um Yeah, that was nice. I don't know. I just wanted to say that because uh, very nice. I was happy. That was nice Yeah Yeah, let's let's take some questions from the chat actually, uh before we go, uh We talked we took some questions from twitter guys again, please please please if you haven't If you haven't followed us yet, uh Stay safe tv tips out baby s-a-car our guest Caden house former c.m. Ythasins Who's got plenty of stories? I'm sure about blizzard. I mean he'll tell you guys I'm sure on his own stream about whenever he uh, deleted dalaran So yeah, that was uh, that was a really good one. I thought And again follow stay safe follow tips youtube twitter all that stuff. It's all on the screen. It's in the chat Follow follow them. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and then follow me too if you like My youtube channel as well. I I think i'm gonna start doing some more youtube content again I I kind of come and go with my youtube content, but uh, I I recently got a join button on youtube and uh I feel like there's a level of responsibility that comes with that So I probably should start making some more youtube button or uh youtube videos and uh, yeah, so we should be doing that Mm-hmm Uh, so if in a while successful, do you think it will shift development philosophies of retail? Wow, this is from rafael the raven Hmm. I think that's a good question. Um I think that there's stuff to be learned from the success of vanilla wow because if Something works in vanilla like wow people seem to really like this it might somehow It might affect the game positively Uh, to say like okay. Well like this works in classic like maybe we can make something like this work a little bit more like this in retail I also think that they're two different games And that you have the opportunity to really reach two different marks of people with these two different games And sure you're gonna have some overlap, but there are going to be people who like retail the way it is There's people who like lfr. They're crazy. No, I'm just kidding I'm just kidding. No, there's people who like lfr. There's people who like stuff like that Um, and that's fine, right? That's for them But there's people who like classic and they don't like classic and that's fine Like it's just people have their own preferences, you know Um I don't know. I think that you could see like some some positive impact from the success of classic on retail But I also think that they they are probably and they probably should Keep the two games separate, uh for the most part Yeah, I I think definitely and of course this is just my speculation from the outside I think they're trying to appeal to two completely different demographics You know, there's going to be crossover, but I think they're they're trying to appease two different demographics Um, I don't know how much Yeah, how many yeah, I I don't know if they're going to take like developmental crossover from classic back into retail or vice versa Hopefully not vice versa. Um But yeah, I don't know. I I wouldn't expect that What do you think tips? um No, absolutely agree andy 100 percent I agree andy. There we go. There we go. I completely agree squad w there you go so So car from your experience or from from your perspective Could you see the effectiveness like something being effective in classic potentially having an influence on retail? Wow Uh, I think it's reasonably to kind of assume that, uh, okay It's reasonable to assume that because if you're gonna have It's it's natural to think that if say a developer is, uh Sucked into something say like for example classic, uh, you might kind of see some ideas kind of kick off Where they could kind of bring maybe a little bit of that to to retail Uh, it could be a world where they or you know, they go back and they experience them again They're like, yes was really fun Like this would be this would be good to to do this again or do something along those lines or what if we could do this But do it better um And kind of do like a modern spin on say something like attunements for example We could you know, if there's or experiencing that again, it's like, oh, this is really fun We could bring this back, uh There's old talents that they could experience again And they're like, oh, maybe we should figure out a way to Do a modern version of this, uh And it influences the ideas of say 9 0 or 10 0 if we you know, if that it while keeps going along those lines um I could see it happen. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't um I think it's very reasonable to assume there will be a separation very clearly between Retail and classic but once everyone is in classic and experiencing classic I think we could see things come over from classic potentially no idea, but Right, okay Yeah To stay safe. Do you see a question that you liked or oh, no, I just think we're getting down to the end here Okay. Yeah, let's yeah, we're going to take just a few more questions guys. Um Again, uh At the end of the stream what we're going to do today is uh, I'm going to be hosting stay safe So you guys can hang around you guys can go to his channel and watch that We we're still going to take a few more questions. Uh here from twitch chat and uh Yeah, basically after after the stream, I won't be streaming tonight and stay safe. We'll be streaming. I may stream super late Uh possibly after stay safe streams, but uh, but we're gonna host stay safe and yeah, yeah He's he's gonna he's gonna have a good time. It's gonna be great. Um, we're gonna pump Yeah, dude, just pump dude. Just pump it dude. I'll pump no dump dude. That's what it's all about. Um So let's see This is a good one. This is from pearly Would you be in favor of battle groups straight from the start or would you think because of higher server populations? They will only be needed to be needed to be implemented when the population is dwindled down Um, I'll go ahead and start on this one. So we don't know exactly what the server pop is going to be We're assuming that it's going to be higher. Um The biggest issue I think with battle groups and Uh with battle groups the pvp in general, it's not about the number the population cap number It's about the ratio of alliance to horde and how many people are queuing, right? It's not about the raw number. It's about the the ratios the percentages Uh, so that's something to consider I personally do not like battle groups. I know it was vanilla. I know it was patch 1.12 Uh, but stay safe brought a really good point. This is like classic cast three or four This was really early on that we talked about this Stay safe put out a really good point. He said look like yeah, obviously it's not perfect That's not something that we like But it might end up being eventually might end up being something that is a necessary evil down the road But hopefully they don't need to do it and hopefully it's not there from the start Um, do you still kind of share that sentiment stay safe? I share that sentiment. Um, and obviously, you know for burning crusade and leading into burning crusade You need to have battle groups if if they choose to do classic. Right. That's true I really I really like don't like battle groups in the majority of vanilla.  You guys remember you remember each other's names.   You see that same guy.   Oh, so there there can be a thing There there can be community in battlegrounds When there's not battle groups and I I prefer that a lot Yeah, I would say battle groups. They solved the problem Um, and I do think they were necessary at some point in vanilla But so long as that problem doesn't exist in the early stages of classic wow, and hopefully it won't exist Um, I see no reason to rush them They will need them at some point. It's it's a certainty like In balance will happen faction imbalance will happen Server populations will dwindle. You were going to need battle groups at some point. It was vanilla. It's fine But why rush it if you don't need to right, I think I think there's some things that are cool about battle groups and It worked in burning crusade kind of like stay safe said Or you know, you get into the higher end arena You just need more players at the higher end in order to be able to compete with one another For people who don't know who but battle groups are because battle groups are actually that that's that's old technology There is like an old old thing at this point Battle groups were the first semblance of like cross server gameplay cross realm gameplay and How it worked is they went and they took a bunch of servers at the end of vanilla and they said This server has like high alliance cap or high alliance pop and low horde pop This server has high horde low alliance and they went they matched a bunch of servers together and There were like some more more notorious than other battle groups Just for happening to have like, you know better competition and burning crusade and whatnot like I think it was bg9 with tichondrius and nightfall battle group was pretty good with uh, that was keltha's odd and all that But um, it was a good one as well. Mm-hmm. So, uh, people would transfer to battle groups that had lower ratings So they could get a better chance at getting like rank one titles. Yeah, I remember that being a thing Yeah, yeah, so people would because before rank one was actually rank one Yeah, like it was actually the top rank guy like if you were like merciless gladiator Like you were the number one ranked team on the entire battle group and there was like, I don't remember 10 battle groups or something Like I don't remember the exact number was 12 or something uh, maybe i'm wrong, but uh So there would only be like 10 or 12 Or whatever number rank one players or rank one teams with however many players on So yeah, that's what battle groups are is basically clusters server clusters One thing that was cool about battle groups and this is something that I just kind of thought of is It did eventually expand As there were less players in the higher ratings in arenas That you started to notice players more like from other servers. Oh, this is this guy from that server Who knows with streaming and just the overall like The the increased level of like connectivity um If they end up putting battle groups in late vanilla that could end up actually being like Uh, a point of hype like that could be something fun Like let's say you're playing a game and then you know, whatever streamer like you you go into a battleground And then all of a sudden you're you're playing against like oh, that's bajira and he plays on a different server And I'm playing as bajira now or you know, whoever right? Yeah, I I agree, but I think for it to be hype it has to come in later Like I think what about I agree. Yeah, it can't be in from the beginning. Absolutely. Yeah You need to be like reactive rather than proactive with trying to solve that problem. They shouldn't be there from the start Um Let's see. Uh, is there any more questions from you guys before we Oh, this is a good point from drew ends. Well, it was absolutely I absolutely understand not wanting it coming from someone who was on a very low pop realm with about an 80-20 split It was necessary. Yeah, and that's that's basically how it might end up happening eventually Do I think that classic wow is good for people who have never played before this is from j4 mess Yes, absolutely, and this is this is a whole like can of worms But a lot of people associate classic wow classic world of warcraft with hardcore gameplay It's it's oh like this game was like super difficult retail.  Wow is much more mechanically demanding than vanilla. Wow is I think a lot of the difficulty of vanilla Wow comes from knowledge and preparation And you also are heavily awarded for time investment in vanilla. Wow. Yeah, so I think kind of you want you want to continue on that Well, I was gonna say I think vanilla. Wow does a really really good job Maybe the best job of any iteration of wow of catering to really every demographic of player If you can only play hours a day after you get home from work, you know, you're a normal human functioning adult You have responsibilities What you can accomplish in that time frame still is very rewarding If you're a no-life shut and you can play 18 hours a day What you would accomplish in that time frame is also very rewarding I think the game is fun for every demographic That's what I do. Yeah, it's it's much more casual friendly than people give her credit for I like, you know, I played dark age of Camelot. I know people who played EverQuest I know people who played, you know Asheron's Fall and Shadowbane and all kinds of other games before before wow came out and wow was considered a joke Oh, it's like this Care Bear game like this game is going to be too easy But I remember it was the casual game. I mean, it was the first mmo that didn't have an xp penalty when you died Yes, I was literally going to say that. Yeah, I was literally going to say that I remember that being a joke like people thought it was so funny that you didn't lose xp when you died But nowadays like people would think that's insane Yeah, you know and and wow was the I always say wow was kind of the first mmo in the new generation of mmo's Where it kind of takes a lot of these old school principles and Packages them in a way that still works The graphics aren't so bad that like you can't bear playing it The the mechanics the game is smooth everything runs well I remember like you could go across the entire map and you wouldn't have to hit a load screen Like you like in dark age of Camelot You would hit zone walls and you hit the zone wall and what would happen is you would freeze for like 10 15 seconds And then you would load the rest of the zone So yeah, just like stuff like that that's you know Like I said first mmo in the new generation of mmo's where they implemented all this stuff That's it's like what like why is that even a big deal on top of having some of the old school principles? Which made it so good I I I think vanilla was amazing obviously and uh I think that anybody can play it. I think anybody can play vanilla wow Yeah, I I'm in the same boat where I kind of laugh when people say that Vanilla wow was like the hardest version of the game ever. It's not There's no way no way it ever was. It was just a time sink Most bosses had like two mechanics maybe three mechanics Like but when you look when you look at say like uh some of the new fights like mythic jaina for example We think jaina has more abilities in one phase than some entire tiers did Yeah, like Dude, it's insane. It's insane the level of skill that it takes nowadays. It's a totally different beast It doesn't detract from classic at all or say less of an experience or any less rewarding I honestly think classic is still more rewarding than the current version of the game Even though the current version of the game is way way harder You just you're getting more viable rewards and it feels more engaging to actually play the game In classic just you know with who you're playing it with Uh, yeah, I think there's a very big difference between two but the the modern game I still think is is is hard is harder But still, you know, you know, you know what I mean, you feel most everyone difficulty difficulty doesn't always equate to Uh a sense of satisfaction whenever you complete it, right? Exactly. I mean there's people difficulty can help when they killed mythic jaina They just uninstalled wow because they were like i'm done Yeah, dude. I was there like I was literally there pog. No, I Yeah, just uninstalled immediately. He's like i'm not playing this game anymore and quit the kills Yeah, you literally quit the game he he had been wanting to quit wow for a while, but he said he he didn't want to quit because Uh, he he he didn't want to basically bail on the raid tier, right? So he wanted to go and he wanted to do the raid tier do jaina and he just right there boom uninstalled the game I'm out. I'm done. Uh, which is crazy, right? It's it's cool, but You know both from like a team perspective or guild perspective and and also like it's just like look I got a finish So, uh, I remember being there at the world first race and just everything that was going on with like mythic jaina and just the countless hours. Well, I think they went Uh upwards of like Was it 400 attempts? Yeah, it was it was it was some insane. I can't I should know but I I can't remember 380 380 attempts or something something along those lines Yeah, it was it was something something insane Um, I think they went was like what for 14 15 hours straight Yeah, I think that was the the day before they killed it. I think Um, but yeah, that was nuts. I mean that was that was an incredible experience getting to go there and be a part of that at Red Bull and all that but um, it was so cool just to to see like Them do their thing and and it was great and and great accomplishment and all that but uh It's just different and classic. It's just different. Uh, it's that's the best way that I can put it I would I would say that for the 346 attempts. That's what it was. Okay I would say for the person that's asking if classic if back to the original question if classic wow is good for new people We've never experienced classic I I would say I would say yes But if you were interested in the game or if you had someone who was interested in the game It doesn't hurt to kind of show them the current version Just because the classic is a different beast in itself But it's still the heart and soul is still there of what it actually is Uh, I would I wouldn't have any objection to starting someone off in classic at all Absolutely And a great way to kind of if you're curious as to how a classic looks like from a gameplay perspective Uh, we actually have a friend of ours who's in the chat right now. His name is Joanna He uh, he frequently plays his leveling his entire leveling world record that he set back in vanilla On his stream and actually kid and this is totally off topic But I got to help this brother out because honestly Joanna does so much for the community His guides have helped thousands upon thousands of people out there get to level 60 Um recently Joanna received a dmca strike On his uh on his account. He was streaming his original vanilla wow Leveling from back in the day And I guess it might have been mistaken for private server footage or something along those lines He he doesn't know what he's supposed to do now. Do you know where he can seek recourse for this or anything like that? I've talked to him a little bit. I've been I've been trying to look in to see kind of what Is because I'm pretty sure I was I was probably the one that submitted it But I don't I don't remember the the footage or like the gameplay It's it's something I'm trying to look into to see if there's any way to any way to fix that or handle it I wish I could say I something can be done. I'm just not a part of the team now that makes that decision or is involved with that process Well, because there's like a whole process because I remember whenever we talked about this before There's like a whole process that goes down and then it's like then there's like the contact on it where it's like Okay, here you go. And then you're like, okay.   It's like Yeah, I think one of the things I mentioned was like I don't I was like this is my first time experiencing your content. I was like how the police force is the shit, but I'm sorry Yeah, I know it's not it's not personal and like it's it's like a whole like there's a chain of like chain of command All that stuff that's goes on. Yeah, I'm looking into the into the joanna thing when I when I can I I wish I had a concrete answer of what would happen along the lines of that You know if What Joanna told me was happening. I don't see any problem with with that like playing that footage I don't see any problem at all with it, but I don't I can't make that call anymore. That's not my that's That's not me. I have to figure I have to kind of raise the flag and be like, can you please look at this? I make a decision that kind of thing I I wish I could say one way or another but it's I promise it's being looked into I'm trying to uh, just Time I don't know, of course. Thanks kin. I appreciate it. Yeah, and I can I can talk to my partner manager, too Maybe and see if he can like help like Dude, maybe just because the fact that we talked about on stream even like maybe we could help him out because I know, uh I don't know. Anyway, we'll talk about this later. Yeah, we'll talk about it figured out. Yeah dm. Yeah dmca's are are nightmare they're They're a monster to deal with mm-hmm I think Let's take one last question. This is from adam schwaggins How is classic gonna affect your streams? I love comfy youtube watching streams to stay safe But I will 100 of stream time be spent in gain after launch as hype design for classic who doesn't love relaxing Yeah, I think uh, I'll start on this one because because this is this was kind of my tongue earlier um The content is going to be Especially now all of us have kind of dipped our toes into doing more iRL more variety more this more that um, you know states have and I've been doing iRL I think that with classic wow, you can't really stream everything that you do in classic Especially if you're a guild leader like I said, I spent like like eight nine ten hours one day with jd Like like help him get all set up to to gear him up to eventually end up being the guy Uh in case it needed to happen and it did right and he ended up being a really good player for us and um Like I might not be able to stream all of that in classic Right just because then you want to get like streams sniped and ganked and all the stuff like that I think uh, you're I'm sure we're still gonna have streams where we're like watching youtube videos Where we're just having a good time relaxing just chatting. I know if we're if we're ranking stay safe And I've both talked about this Like possibly ranking together. I don't know if I want to rank or gen one rank stay safe says he wants to rank or gen one rank, right? So like this is something that we're we're kind of talking about doing maybe like we'll rank together And then he'll stream for the first half and then I'll stream the second half and We'll just we'll basically be on each other streams And we'll just be talking about stuff or my break and like watch videos like if we're like anchoring one game Or this and that because there's all kinds of stuff that goes into it. Uh, I personally think that I'm still gonna bring like a uh A fairly wide variety of content to what I do We'll have like nice like, you know comfy streams or watching videos and doing stuff like that But then we'll also have streams where it's like boom something's happening like we're going paladin police force We're cleaning up searing gorge like we're we're still going to be doing that kind of stuff Uh, that's what I'm hoping for anyway, and uh, I'll also be doing variety and IRL and Stay safe. I'm sure you're you're the same way. Um, because we're stay safe and I are more similar in in terms of what we do then Like tips tips doesn't do like the IRL and stuff like that, but stay safe. Do you want to go ahead and piggyback off of that? Yeah, I mean like I'm going to be honest 90 Probably more than that 90 plus percent of my content once classic is out Um is just going to be playing classic wow like as much as I Of course there are things you can't really stream with classic wow, but as much as I can stream I will stream everything that I possibly can um There's going to be days where I'm just you know, if not much is going on there will be kind of burned out I'm sure we'll watch youtube videos and chill and hang out and do an IRL stream whatever go downtown, but uh That's that's what I want to do. I just I just want to stream classic wow Tips what about you Did when classic comes out, I am not moving from this chair like my my biggest goal for classic Is that the leather on this chair bonds on a molecular level To my butt cheeks if I do not achieve that then I have failed all of you Dude, let me give you a tip dude just put on a few pounds because that's easy for me I've had that no problem. It's been like that for years.  I'll be uh, hopefully I'll be in a position where I can get time off for it If I'm at blizzard that might be a little bit harder to do I got sick guys. Sorry. I just so happens to be in class that came out I couldn't get time off for any of our launches at all. Like I tried There's no way I mean I worked like what like 13 14 hours on like the bfa launch day and I could not I Couldn't get time off. I was trying to level at my chair, but my desk So hard to do But yeah, I will definitely be I'll definitely be playing and streaming of course All right. All right guys, uh I'll go ahead and stay safe. I was just gonna say yeah, this ends. Thanks for coming on man. It was good. Oh, yeah It's been a long time coming. It's a long time coming Yeah, we've talked about this for months and just I hasn't really been able to happen until uh, you know Like I said earlier, I don't know if I even said this today or whenever we talked about before but Sometimes like an unfortunate circumstance or unfortunate events leads to to really good things. So I know we all hope for the best for you. I mean you you've been a great Not just like a resource, you know connecting, you know the classic community to Blizzard but also like just just a great friend, you know, I mean you've done a lot for all of us and um Even if we again had to meet in a not not very good situation But you've been a really good friend and and uh everything you've done really means a lot to not just us but a whole lot of people So thank you for coming on man. It's weird to think a dmca led to me being me, you know Having three new friends I would know either Or stay safe if it wasn't for originally originally meeting you Well, yeah, we didn't even talk about this today, but when we were down there at blizzcon It was really it was it was really cool. Uh, so you ever since gave us a tour of the blizzard hq And he like it was like it was so I have to tell you were very passionate about everything Like it was it was really badass. I can't imagine anyone anyone that could have given us a better tour Yeah It was it was fun. It was awesome having you guys out like I I was looking forward to you guys coming down like the entire time leading up like whenever I was approving your Your blizzcon passes. I was like, I'm gonna give them a tour. Yes Yeah, for anyone who saw the pictures of them at the campus what you don't see is I was the one taking the picture Yeah, there you go Photocrat photocrat. Yeah For sure So anyways guys, thank you so much for joining us for classic cast again Please follow Sikar. Please follow stay safe tv Please follow tips out, baby Follow the youtube channels or sub to their youtube channels. Follow their twitch channels. Follow them on twitter Um, we really appreciate you guys being here. We appreciate all the support And I'm actually gonna host stay safe today. Stay safe. It's good to stream and uh I'll end the classic cast. I want to thank some people who resubbed and whatnot and uh I'll go ahead and host stay safe You guys want to go ahead and head over there if you guys want your shout out for for resubbing You guys can hang out here And then I'll and I'll just host him here in a minute or two. So again, thank you guys so much I will dip and just go live now. Take care everyone. I'll see you guys soon. Do it Thank you guys so much. We'll see you guys later


The Columbia Broadcasting System brings you radio's outstanding theatre of thrills, produced and directed by Anton M. Lieder, and starring tonight, Ms. Faye Bainter. In Life Ends at Midnight by Robert Talman. A tale well calculated to keep you in suspense. Nurtured in the cradle and carried to the grave, the love of a mother for her child is an emotion all pervasive, all forgiving. Of all human relationships, this one which we celebrate on Mother's Day is among the strongest, most lasting. And for most of us raised in the comfort and security of a happy home, no emotional tie is more warm and welcome. But there are some few mothers for whom Mother's Day represents no joyful memories, no warmth, no tenderness. Instead, there is heartbreak and regret, unhappiness, even terror.  A poor, worn woman, kindly, gentle, forgiving, resigned, but not without spirit. The story's setting, a miserable tenement apartment in the slum section of a large city, the time today. And now, with the performances of Ms. Faye Bainter as Mrs. Bates, Tony Barrett as Walter Bates, and Norman Field as Mr. Chalmers, and with Robert Talman's story, Life Ends at Midnight, we again hope to keep you in suspense. That's right, Mom. You little sunny boy, Walter. Remember my whistle, huh? Yes. Oh, but, well, I didn't know. Never know when I'll turn up, am I? What's the matter? Do we have to stand out here no more? Oh, no. No. Come in. It's just that, come in, Walt. Same old crummy joint. I do my best to keep it clean, Walt. Yeah, I know. Regular old mother-hover. You'll have to clean up the whole south of Chicago for you to get the filth out of this flea bag. Oh, boy, I'm tired.  They're the worst. All they do is bawl and slather. You left Pittsburgh last night? Morning to morning. I didn't sleep awake. Look at that color, will you? But tomorrow is Monday. And you have to be at work in the morning. Sure. What's the matter, you worry? Oh, no, no. I just... Then don't just... Get a guy come home and see his mother once in six months. Oh, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. Get a guy come home and see his mother once in six months.  You break your back.  She tells you you have to be at work in the morning. How do you like that? Oh, I'm sorry, dear. I did miss you so, but I just worried about... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no. Don't worry so much. It makes me nervous. Yeah, dear. Sit at the table. You must be starved. All right. Now it's like coming home. Oh, my baby. I'm so glad to see you. You did come just to see me, didn't you? Who else? Eddie Lamar. Of course you came to see me. It's just that I always worry so about you. Forget it, forget it. What's the... I'm just making a job for my lunch. That's all I seem to have in the house right now. That'll be enough for me. And you'll be ready in a minute. Now tell me all about yourself. Your job. Ah, never mind about me. Come on. Sit down, Mama. All right. How are you doing? Well, I try not to complain, Walter, but things are not easy. Price is high, rent's going up all the time, even on this old house. Honest, I don't know what I'm going to do if... You had some bonds Papa left you had. You had about $2,000 bonds he left you... You still got... I'm trying to tell you, Walter, things haven't been easy. And I just... Always the poor mouth. Every time I see her, she's putting on a poor mouth. I'm just saying that things aren't easy. And for me, you think it's a picnic, huh? I've got enough trouble and for what, for what? All year, work like crazy and for what? A man must work, Walter. A man must work, Walter. Yes, it's true. A man must work and live like a person and not be afraid so that he can sleep at night without worrying about... About what? About a bell ringing at night or a knock on the door in the morning or someone touching you on the arm. Oh, yes. It's a nice feeling and a free feeling to be able to walk down the street and the sun with your eyes meeting another man so without wondering if he's...  I ain't in trouble again, so stop mouthing at me. Always mouthing at me. Gavin, you know what the judge said the last time, Walter? He was nice. He gave you another chance. He saw you were a really good boy and he gave you another chance.  You're... You're all right, Walter. You didn't do it. A mean boy with a herring on a plate.  Find a fish head and say thank you, mister. Not for me. You take a chance, you throw away the fish heads.   You're in the higher brackets nobody gets at you.    That's for me. One break, you're hot as a rocket shooting diamonds with sparks.   Walter! You're good for one blind, a kicker or a kisser. Walter! Another chance. I tried to run it up, but no dice. I gotta make it good. Tomorrow morning I gotta make it good. The books at the office will show. I gotta make it good. How much? $1,500. $1,500? By midnight tonight, $1,500. I miss that 1220 tramp of Pittsburgh. It's 12 up. Might as well take gas. $1,500? By midnight tonight? Where am I going to get it, Walter? The bonds. You got the bonds, Papa Lester. The bonds. How do you think I got you out of your last trouble? Bribes, bail, paying back, every penny. Where do you think I got it? Don't give me that. I'm holding out. You gotta help me. I'll give you my life, Walter. Walter, please. Don't. I've got ten years. You heard the judge last time. What can I do? What? Ten years in stir. There won't be no reform school this time. Think it over, will you? Walter. Walter. Oh, please. Please get me the money. Mama, get it for me. I'll be good. I'll work hard. I won't give you no more trouble. But help me now. Please, Mama, please. Where can I get it, Walter? I've nothing left, nothing. I don't care where you get it. It's your fault. You gotta help me. I only wanted to help you, and now I don't know... Yeah. Yes, it is my fault. I've always protected you, but I can't protect you anymore. I'll give you the few dollars I have. Go away. It'll be enough to help you run away. That's all I can do. Not me.  Sure. Run away. Walter, please. Don't. Don't you're hurting my mom, Walter. Don't. I know you're holding out on me. You're worrying about your old age. Making yourself a cushy setup. Sorry, I hope I'm not intruding. Who's this? Oh, Mr. Chalmers. This is Mr. Chalmers, Walter. He has the back bedroom. This is my son, Walter, Mr. Chalmers. How do you do, Mr. Bates? I feel that I know you very well. Your mother and I sit here in the kitchen sometimes over a cup of tea, and she talks about you for hours and hours. Yes, I can see why mother's so proud of you. How do you do, Mr. Bates? Yes, and you're a fine-looking young man. Yeah. Mrs. Bates, if you'll excuse me, I'm just going to the corner for my paper.  Please tell him to go away. You will do that for me, Mrs. Bates? Yes, Mr. Chalmers. Thank you, Mrs. Bates. Tell him not to come back anymore. I don't want to pay any more on the policy.  Yes, Mr. Chalmers. Well, the poor young man died, yes. I was going to leave him a few dollars when I died, but now, well, I have no one left at all, and, well, a dollar a week. You'll tell that to the little man with the tiny mustache. Yes, Mr. Chalmers. Thank you, Mrs. Bates. Good day, Mr. Bates. I have $40 in the house for rent. You can take that. Yeah. Drop me a card when you get settled someplace. Let me know where you are. I'll send you some more as soon as I get it. Maybe later I'll be able to straighten it out. Maybe later I'll be able to speak to your broth. I'll promise to pay back every cent, but now you must go away. You must. Mama, tell me something about Mr. Chalmers. He interests me very strangely. Walter. Don't be so nervous, Ma. We've got plenty of time. We've got till midnight. Yes, I do think I will have another cup if you don't mind, Mrs. Bates. Now, suppose you'll look at it this way. You've been paying $1 a week for how many years now? Well, I'd say 20 years. It'd be a conservative estimate. Oh, all right. 20 years. That's, let me see, $50 a year. Say that's $1,000 that you paid in. Yes, $1,000. Yes, this coffee cake, Mrs. Bates, is excellent. You like it? I made it yesterday. Forget the coffee cake. Now, let's forgive percentage. How many more years you'll forget a little? Walter. Oh, that's all right, Mrs. Bates. After all, I am an old man, and at my age one rather well comes to terms with death. It's like the end of a long busy day. Life ends at midnight. And the new day begins. Yes, Walter, I think you're on the verge of making a very profound observation. My policy is for $2,500. And in the days that are left to me, I certainly will not be required to pay in as much as I've already paid. That's the exact point, Mr. Chalmers. And if you drop it now, will you get anything back? No. You've got a straight life with no cash value. If you drop the policy now, the insurance company's the winner. But say that you live another couple of years, you pay a couple of hundred more, and you leave that $2,500 to somebody. Which is the smart thing? I'll leave it to you. Yes, I should like to think that when I'm gone, I have left some things behind for someone. Mr. Chalmers, oh yes, I'll always remember him for this. It's nice to live on in somebody's memory for a little while after we are dead. But A, Mr. Bates, I have no one in this world. And B, I must be very, very frank with you and tell you that I can no longer afford to pay even the dollar a week. You see, I live on very... That's the problem of the most minor importance. For anybody to invest in you now, a buck a week would be guilt edge. I mean, for instance, take my mother here. Now, suppose that you made her the beneficiary. Now, suppose she continued to pay the buck a week. Now, who could lose on such a deal? Who can lose? Nobody. You see, you'll get your dearest wish to leave something behind and my mother in later years says, Mr. Chalmers, oh yes, I'll always remember him for this. You get the point? Oh, no, I couldn't. Why not? Why not? It's simple. Oh, no, no, Mr. Chalmers, no, you must... Let Mr. Chalmers decide. Mr. Chalmers, it makes good sense, no? It makes everybody happy. No, but we're practically strangers. What do you mean, strangers? Who is a stranger in this world, Mr. Chalmers?  Mr.  That's what he wants. Why shouldn't he have it? Ain't every man entitled to at least live in somebody's memory? But Mr. Chalmers doesn't have to do that. I'll think about him anyway. I promise I'll... So let him say something always at Marley. Oh, what do you say, Mr. Chalmers?  I'll tell him I'm keeping the policy and changing the beneficiary. So far. Could you let me have the dollar, Mrs. Bates? A minute or two, he takes his nap about this time. I want this ready for him. Relax, sonny. I can't finish this job today. What are you giving me? He'll take a joint and another length of pipe. Fix it up. You can fix it up for now, can't you? Well, this room's pretty small. Why do you want the heater so close to the bed? Like I told you, he's got rheumatism. He needs plenty of heat. Well, I can run a rubber extension. But with gas, I don't like it. Okay, so with gas, you don't like it. But with gas, we gotta run this heater. The old man's got rheumatics. He can take plenty of gas. Huh? Hey, heat, heat, I mean. He needs plenty. What are you doing now? Tagging in this joint. It's tight enough here. Here's your three bucks. Okay. You're the boss. Bring your tools next time. There won't be any next time, sonny. What are you giving me now? You can get somebody else to do your dirty work after this. So long, Skippy? Skippy. Come on, Skippy. Put yourself together. We gotta work to know. This is a pleasant surprise. Yeah, yeah. This used to be my room.  So I talked the old lady into fixing this up for you. That was very thoughtful of you, Walter. Oh, thanks. I stuffed the cracks in the windows too. Zero weather gets plenty drafty in this room. You thought of everything, didn't you, Walter? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I wanna work out just fine. It'll do the job, I think. Uh, I'm going to take a little nap before dinner. Do you think the heat... I'll just leave it on. I'll look in after Bert to see if it's okay. Wait until now. You needn't go to Walter. Oh, no trouble at all, Mr. Chalmers. When I do a thing, I like to do it right. Uh, who's there? Well, that's your Walter? Yeah. Yeah, cool. Come on back to sleep, Papa. Just turn the heater off. Get a little stuffy in here. You're a good, considerate boy, Walter. Ah, skip it. Come on, back to sleep. I know shoes tomorrow, huh? I'd like to know what we're. Maybe you'll have dough tomorrow. Maybe we'll both have dough. If a miracle happened. Maybe miracles do happen. Maybe. If you're smart. Why are you taking me to Walter? No place particular. I just thought we'd stroll around the old neighborhood like old times. Well, that's a nice idea, Walter. Put my feet up. Okay, okay, so we'll turn into the candy store in the corner. I'll buy you a dish of ice cream. So close to dinner time, dear. Trouble with you, Mars, you're in a rut. Come on. Hi, Miss Bates. Hello. Howdy, Walter. When'd you get back? He came in on the train from Pittsburgh, Nick. This morning, just to see me. Yeah, I thought I'd give the old girl a break. What? Well, what can I mix up for you, folks? Uh, Mom will take vanilla and I want coffee. Black. Coming right up. Good evening, Nick. Oh, hello, Mike.  You folks know Officer Flanagan. Uh, Miss Bates from down the block and her son, Walter. Pleased to meet you, Officer. How's business, Copper? Oh, much the same. Begrancy, petty, larceny. Once in a while, a murder. Murder? That's what they start out to do, but it's harder to pull off a murder than most people think. Yeah. A case just last week over in the next precinct. Family disconnected a gas heater in the old man's room while he was asleep. And that's what we were pretty sure he did anyway. Yeah, they took out a lot of insurance on him a few days before. But you couldn't prove anything, huh? Didn't have to. They always bungle somewhere. Amateurs. Gas petered out. They forgot to put a quarter in the meter. At 7 o'clock, I'm sure I got to call in. See you later, Nick. Okay, Michael. Ma. Yes, Walter? When did you put a quarter in the meter at home? Why don't we then? Goodness, I'd better get some change. Never mind. Come on. We're getting out of here. What's the matter, Walter? Nothing. Come on. Walter. Walter. Why did you ask about the gas meter? Why do you think? Walter, you didn't. That isn't why you put the heater in this top. What do you think? I don't think anything. I just pray that that quarter ran out.  Because if that didn't work, I'll try another way. Eat that old cluck that's dead before midnight or I spent ten years in stir. He's going to be dead before midnight. You understand that? If you try making any trouble, you'll be pushing daisies right along with him. Stop that sniveling. Go on in there now. If it took, scream your head off or I'll give you a reason to scream. I can smell it. Come on. Mrs. Bates, I was just on my way out. Mr. Jones, you're all right. You're all right. Of course he's all right. What's he eating? I have a slight headache. It's true. But a brisk walk in the open air will cure that, I'm sure. Hey, look at this. What is it, Walter? A hose on the heater. It got unhitched. No wonder you got a headache. I thought I smelled gas. It's lucky for you that I forgot to put a quarter in the meter. Providence works in strange ways, doesn't it, Walter? Well, I must be getting on Mrs. Bates. Yes? I'll be coming home rather late, so I'll just let myself in. How late? Well, I thought I'd stop in at the neighborhood picture house after dinner. That'll be around nine o'clock, so I imagine I won't be home much before eleven. Mr. Chalmers, there's something I... Yes, Mrs. Bates? Walter's a good boy at heart, you know. But he's been in some trouble lately, and... Is there anything I can do to help, Walter? Yeah, plenty. I'll tell you all about it when you get back. You better run along now, Mr. Chalmers. You don't want to be late for that, do you? Yes, yes, of course. Well, good night, Mrs. Bates. Mr. Chalmers? Good night, Mr. Chalmers. Yes, good night. Walter! Walter! Walter! Tell him, won't you? You'd like to send me to the chair, wouldn't you?   It's your fault I pulled this thing up in the first place. Why did you remember to put a quarter in a gas meter? Why didn't you? I'm glad I forgot he wouldn't be alive. You shouldn't have messed around with a gas trying to spare your feelings, make it look like an accident. The thanks I get for it, she wants to blab the whole thing, turn me in, my own mother! No, no, Walter, that's not true. No! Please! I can't stand it. Maybe now you'll cooperate. Look, let's put it this way. It's either you or him.  Yes, boss. All right, like I said, I got very little time to get this thing done. I ought to have done a neat clean in the first place, like I said. He's old, he's weak. Just push him over on a bed, hold a pillow on his face for a few minutes, and the job is done. Nobody asked any questions, a guy that old. Walter, for the last time, I beg you. All right, you just make sure it's the last time. Remember, like I said, it's you or him. What are you going to do? You'll be waiting in his room when he gets home. You'll wait up for him. Tell him I've left to catch a train in case he suspects anything. When he comes into his room, I'll get the rest of it. How do you know I won't warn him? Because it's you or him, just like I told you. I don't think you're warned, Mr. Chalmers. Don't you try to stall him when he comes in. He's got to be dead by midnight, or else. What's the addition of the daily news, as usual? Save one hour for you, Mr. Chalmers. Thank you. Good night, Joe. Oh, by the way, Joe, I almost forgot. Can you give me the change of a dollar? Oh, sure, Mr. Chalmers. $15, $75, $85, $91. Thank you. I just happened to think of something I need change for. A little good deed for a friend of mine. You'll be up so late, Mrs. Bates. I waited up especially. I wanted to talk to you about Walter. Mrs. Bates, you're right. It's all discolored. Oh, yes. Well, the light burned out in the bathroom, and when I went to replace it in the dark, that is, I bumped into the door. No, I would have thought Walter would have done that for you. Oh, no, Walter didn't. I mean, Walter's left already. He had to catch the 12.20 for Pittsburgh, you know. But it's only a little after 11 now. Perhaps he had some things to do on the way, I mean. Of course. Well, I'm afraid I must be getting on to bed. No, no, not yet. Don't just sit down for a minute. Have a cup of tea with me. I'd like to, but tea keeps me awake, Mrs. Bates. You know, I'll be getting along to my room now, if you don't mind. No. No, don't go into that room, Mr. Tongue. Why, Mrs. Bates, whatever's the trouble? It's on Walter. There's something I must tell you. Oh, forgive me, Mrs. Bates, but I am an old man, and I need my rest if it could possibly wait until morning. No. No, it can't wait until morning. I've got to be told before. Before midnight. What was that? Sounds like someone moving about in the back of the house. One of the shutters is loose. The wind. Oh, you were saying, Mrs. Bates? Nothing. I can't tell you after all. I'm afraid. I'm afraid to tell you. There you are, Mrs. Bates. And perhaps in the morning, eh? Try to get some rest. You're going in there now? I think that would be the best thing to do all the way around. Don't you, Mrs. Bates? Good night. No. No, wait. Mrs. Bates, I... What is it, Mrs. Bates? That smell. Yes. A few minutes, Mrs. Bates. I'll call you when the ambulance arrives. It's striking twelve. Dead before midnight. Poor lad. If only I hadn't remembered to go back for that change. Did it? That's what turned on the gas that killed him. Well, you mentioned the gas having gone off and forgetting to put a quarter in the meter so on the way to the picture house, I just went round to the back entry and dropped the coin. You did it. I suppose I should have remembered about the connection being loose on the heater in my room, but I wanted to surprise you with my good deed. I didn't mean to do anything wrong, Mrs. Bates. Truly, I didn't. You didn't do anything wrong, Mr. Chalmers. You didn't do anything wrong. Thanks to Miss Faye Bainter for her wonderful performance as Mrs. Bates. To Tony Barrett, who played Walter, and Norman Field, Mr. Chalmers. Suspense is produced and directed by Anton M. Leder, with music under the direction of Lud Gluskin from the original score composed by Lucian Morrowake. Miss Bainter will soon be seen in the Warner Brothers production, June Bride. Next week, we return with 60 minutes, a full hour of suspense, and a story in which a boy and a girl find themselves trapped in an apartment with a dead man, with a short four hours to find the murderer and prove that they are innocent. How they do it, if they do it, is the intriguing question in William Irish's 10th Story Deadline at Dawn. A tale well calculated to keep you in suspense. This is CBS The Columbia Broadcasting System.


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Little bit chilly this Friday morning, but it's Friday, so I don't care Only minus 18 calm down Josh minus 18 We just had minus 30 for two weeks. Okay minus 18. It's a summer day out there It's gonna get warm this weekend.  I don't know. All right. Let's get our Timmy's. Let's get to work. Let's drive some trucks today I'm so thought lifted trucks at Timmy's today Meeting of the lifted trucks It's time for freshly cracked Canadian eggs. That's what that sign says I think it's just time for coffee myself Freshly cracked Canadian eggs, you know Tim Hortons has recently Changed the way they make their eggs. They're way better now. It's weird, right? Usually things get worse Could I have a medium coffee with one cream and a shot of espresso in it, please That's it Super duper See sometimes I say it sometimes I don't I like to keep them on their toes Guessing is it him? Is it him?  Oh, here's this guy again They don't know what to do with me. They just don't say anything Just give him his coffee and get him out of here Weirdo It's on debit such nice friendly faces in the morning Well, actually they're wearing masks so you can't say so it's such nice friendly eyes. It's all you can see Looks like they're smiling. They could be faking it, but I don't think so pretty hard to fake a real smile Oh, you show them mr. Jeep you show them you spin those tires those expensive tires. I don't do much spinning anymore My tires are expensive. I Just slowly roll along like an old man now.  That's why I want to get an exhaust on my truck I'm hoping to be able to do that this summer, but you know, I'm hoping to do a lot of things this summer It is on the list though. There's a little exhaust that doesn't have to be like from the head or back, but Let everybody know hey hey Listen to what I got You know not obnoxious just enough just enough of a little bit of a rumble I can't stand those obnoxious motors, especially in the morning when you when you start them up in their cold Really obnoxious for the neighbors just enough to let them know Oh, yeah, yeah, Josh is on his way to work cool. Good guy. Good guy. I like him You know anything to say that the last couple of days. It's gonna be a good day Railer up with stuff order stuff and just have it delivered in order to sit tight Okay, let's close the window one second. It's break time until it's no longer break time I don't have any scheduled breaks or anything like that. I just take breaks whenever I can get them that's pretty much how she goes here and That's how I work. Anyways, I've never really stopped for lunches or breaks anywhere ever Doing any job. I Have my lunch here whenever I have a couple of spare minutes Eat some food When I'm told to sit tight for a little while like this because we're waiting for some more freight to throw on my trailer Well, hey, what do you know unscheduled break? So now I just sit here and wait for this thing to chirp at me and say hey Get to work and then I get to work. It's that simple We got freight orders we've got orders to get rid of the freight that's in my trailer first So this Trailer is now pushing me South of Winnipeg There's people that need the stuff that's in there essential essential stuff passing by saying a gap which has the flying jade Maybe we'll stop and get a beam to cup coffee, huh? One of the things I think about almost every day I wish I could get a beam to cup today better than Tim's because that Tim's you got to add an espresso shot in there to make It taste like coffee and then it's three dollars You're getting up close to like Starbucks prices now.  I can't even duplicate it at home. I've tried Just it's not the same make sure they get their freight and they're pretty heavy dragging me down Whatever makes you happy He got himself stuck Boy, that's what happens when you still blow the ditch. Oh wait. No. He's moving. He's moving Yeah, he's stuck. You can only move a couple of feet. Why are you still blowing the ditch, bud? Oh, he'll be good. He'll wiggle himself out of there. No problem. I don't get it But hey, you tell me to snow blow the ditch. I'm your man to give me a tractor. I'll snow blow the ditch I'm sure there's a reason I'm sure there's a reason. It's so funny Still funny. I was kind of thinking on the way fast before he probably gonna get himself stuck What do you know on the way back?  I'm even gonna nose in them that excited watch watch Here we go Straight at this pole. How about that? Wonderful? Let's not hit the pole. Okay. There we go Being the guy here I come That's that same tow truck that was pulling that bus out the other day wasn't it got himself a cement mixer today, it looks like we're heading out Came back into the city put a few things in the trailer. I'm headed out and I Mean at this rate unless they have something more for me to pick up in the rural parts It looks like I'm gonna be done a little earlier than usual today Not complaining. I like to work full days though But you know every now and then a little shorter days are eight is welcome, right? It's just then I get home and I'm like, what do I do with myself? I have all this extra time I'm not lying. I'm a workaholic. It's what the weekend's for right? We have found ourselves in Transcona or south of Transcona Are you coming bud?  No, you're coming. Okay, which way you going? There's a truck coming from our left I don't know what he's doing yet. Go any faster than that in St. Boniface this slope Come on, buddy. You can get to that red light faster than that. Come on. I I Just realized I'm trying to hurry him up and we have a red light ahead. I got a pointless class 8 Corrosives in his trailer Good for you, bud. That's maybe why he's driving a little bit more carefully. Ah ha see Josh use your eyeballs Everything makes sense Today is gonna be a good day. We got the serious shades on because we're seriously doing some serious truck Some local truck I'm gonna fill up my trailer and it's Friday. Have I said that yet?  It's Friday. I said have any big plans for the weekend No, there's a cop everybody act natural gave my way Is that suspicious? That's not suspicious Skids of something. I don't know what it is yet, but all I know is it's on skids and I have been tasked with their professional Moving the professional transport. That's what I was looking for. I was gonna say track professional movable. Is that a word movable? I think that's a word. Ah cops coming up beside me act natural Want to pay police a culture of safety for all for what you do good, sir Coming up on the road you you check your seat belt you check your speed. I Usually don't I'm not that nervous. I got nothing to hide. I got nothing to be afraid of Well, what would you say turn left? Well, why am I in the right lane then?  I can barely hear you She used to be so loud and obnoxious now.  I just love trucks I go yet Why so much traffic? I probably could have gone now. I'm too nice. I am way too nice Trying to get on to the road here and I Keep waiting because I don't want an inconvenience other drivers Here gives another nice Peterbilt.  Oh, no, he's turning this way Okay, well, then I'm going sorry guys. You'll have to just trust me. It's a nice truck He just gave me my in Thank you, sir. I'm supposed to pick up they combined it into one So now I have four skids on my trailer. I can fit up to Or is it 12 down to Bishop take Bishop Brandon around to Keniston? I was talking about before I was touching the top of his cab my comment sections that you guys don't think Winnipeg is very scenic So here you go. You can look at me instead There's some scenery for you. Let me from this side Check out this side. Oh, there's your scenery. I agree. Winnipeg is not the most scenic city. It is not like the It's not the city on a hill in Canada We're more so the city that everybody forgets about NHL team Jets put us on the map you'd hear Winnipeg names all over the place when you're listening to hockey But as for scenery king of it, but hey, you've got me installation no, I tried I'm trying to show you guys some interesting things some more interesting stuff coming down the pipe though So stay tuned. There are some new things coming Share with you guys a lot more I think in the near future. So just stay tuned But I think it's gonna get better. We're gonna get more into depth With trucking here also be sharing with you opportunities of how you can come and join us come and behold the scenery of Manitoba I mean you're really missing out if you haven't seen Manitoba. I mean British Columbia's got nothing on the flat land of Manitoba. I'm 100% not serious very scenic province lots of space lots of space Did I say coming down the pipe again before? You guys have already corrected me on that. I'm sorry. The saying is coming down the pipe Got some new things coming down the pike in the future pretty interesting I'm excited about every day though. Look at that the Sun's shining. I'm excited Not even a cloud in the sky. I'm excited Weather's warmer. I'm excited. I'm just excited too much