Okay, so I'm live recording my phone. Can you guys see me now? So I'm on my phone. Let me know if you guys can see me. I can see that there's, you guys are here, but I don't know. I can't see the chat on my phone, no? Okay, so hang on, live chats. Oh, I see you guys. Okay, you see me? Yay! Okay, so this is a bummer. We have to do it on my phone instead of on the computer, but we can still have a conversation and talk. Oh, sorry guys.  I even tested it in Skype. That way I would know that it would work because I just bought it. Apparently it doesn't work. So I am sorry for that, but hopefully this will work in placement of that. So I guess what we're gonna do is I'm gonna, so your guys' chat is on my screen, coming across my screen here. So ask whatever questions that you guys wanna ask, but I wanna start out basically by saying that I'm kind of crazy in our world right now and I know a lot of us are under a lot of stress. So I've been trying to put out a lot of videos, put out a lot of content so that if you're stuck at home, you have something to watch that kind of keeps you busy when you're also stuck at home and us here on YouTube, we're here to help you guys and give you guys something to do, things to watch, things to do kind of while you're stuck at home. So take advantage of that and catch up on all the YouTube videos that you haven't gotten to watch. And I also have shared a little bit about Jazzercise and how sad I am that Jazzercise is closed, which I totally understand that it's closed. So I have opted to do Jazzercise on demand yesterday and today. Oh my gosh, you guys. I'm so sore, I went to use the restroom and my legs are killing me from Jazzercise earlier. So you don't have to have a gym to go to to get in really good workouts, take advantage of being home and get in those workouts. So anyways, I just wanna talk with you guys and get your guys's questions answered that you have maybe on everything that's going on or just like specific questions that you guys have for me that I can answer. So go ahead and leave your questions in the chat roll. And also while I have you guys here on the phone, I want to know what are some videos that you guys wanna see in the future? Because I've got a list going and I just haven't finished up that list. And I just wanted to know what you guys thought as far as possible videos in the future, especially with everybody being at home right now with everything that's going on. So share your video ideas too. Oh, I know, I miss my workshop. That's the other thing. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to go to Zoom. So if you guys that go to workshops, you guys can go to your workshop virtually on Zoom. So I'm actually gonna go on Zoom on Friday and actually attend my workshop virtually. So I'm so excited for that. So I should still be able to film a way in video and get that up for you guys. So I'm gonna write down, you guys are giving me some good suggestions here. So you guys wanna know, so salad dressings, that's a great one because I've been kind of playing around making different salad dressings, organic skincare. Oh, that's funny that you guys mentioned that because I have recently found a fan-tastic, you guys. Fan-tastic makeup and skin care line that has best in class ingredients, cruelty free. I am obsessed. This lip color is from them and I'm literally obsessed with the company. So I'm gonna be sharing that with you guys in my favorites video, but you guys are gonna love it. It's amazing, it's affordable, it's yeah, best in class. Super excited about that. Stress eating. Oh, thanks, Marlana. That's so sweet of you. I'm glad that I helped with you guys during this hard time and I know it's hard. State shutdown by Friday in Washington. What do you mean by state shutdown, Lisa? Cause I'm in Washington state if you guys didn't know that. Thanks, Tawny. I've really been trying to do a lot of clean eating videos. In fact, you guys today, I filmed a video on protein peppers. So we're gonna go through 30 protein powders and we're gonna talk about the best and the worst as far as those protein powders go. So I'm excited to share that with you guys for sure that'll be coming out here probably like in the next week or so. Let's see, clean eating videos, grocery hauls. I know it's so fun. Food storage. Oh my gosh, I wish I could show you guys you know what I'm gonna do when I fill my grocery haul on Saturday, you guys have to see my pantry and my fridge and freezer. It's full, like super full. I did a huge stocked up grocery haul. Actually, yesterday that you guys will see on Saturday you're gonna die with how much I have, but we're good. The only thing I couldn't find was toilet paper, shocker. So I couldn't find any toilet paper but other than that, we're completely stocked up on frozen food, canned food and all those things. So I'm excited about that. Thank you, Christine. Oh, I love you guys too, Lisa.  So I'm really thankful for you guys just as much for you guys as you guys are for me, believe me that for sure. So mean, supposedly can't go anywhere but grocery store, no work, can't leave house. Oh really, when did you hear that, Lisa? Because my husband, you guys didn't know but my husband works for Dairy Gold which is the milk manufacturer here in Spokane where we live. He's so busy, like there's no milk at the grocery store. I told him yesterday when he delivered to Winco he said that the milk cases were completely empty. I told him he should be signing autographs because he's so popular when he goes to the stores like people are like peeking in the milk case. So it's pretty funny. So hopefully that's not the case and my husband can keep working. All right, also maybe a home tour. Okay, home tour. Yes, you guys, I've thought about that as well. Sorry, I hear my dogs. Doing a home tour. Yes, it is on my list and then go into detail about what Jazzercise is. Yes, I can do a little bit more about Jazzercise. I'm literally, you guys, look, I'm literally running down your idea. So you can do a little bit on Jazzercise, clean eating on a budget. Oh, Lola's right here. Let me know if you guys want to see her or I'll flip you around. Clean eating on and at home with you and your hubby. Well, they just closed all the restaurants this week. So this Saturday we've already talked about it. We think we might try to pick up a pizza but yeah, it sucks because we enjoy that going out to lunch or dinner together on Saturday and just kind of hanging out with each other. So that's kind of a bummer that we don't get to go out but I totally understand, I totally get it. And honestly, you guys, I feel so bad for all of the people in that line of work, whether it be restaurant or server or haircare or nails. I think if they're not working, they're not making money and that's the part that really breaks my heart the most over me not being able to go out to dinner on Saturday, it's much more important that these people aren't being able to make a living. So I'm really, that's the part that breaks my heart. So, all right, coming late to the convoly. Oh, thanks Greta. Dairy girl, they have the most delicious butter. So we get butter for a dollar 50 a pound which is crazy, we can order it twice a year and we can stockpile it and I freeze it, literally like I freeze it because I don't use butter, regular butter very often other than around Christmas for baking. So I freeze it and give it to my mom too. Hi Renee, they shut down all non-essential surgeries. Oh, I bet, actually that's funny. We were just saying last night that we're lucky my husband doesn't need a surgical procedure right now because I'm sure that he would be last on the list at the University of Washington in Seattle especially with the outbreak there.  So here's my hair. So I cut a lot off, it was down to here. So I cut quite a bit of it off and we just kind of layered it up a little bit to give it a little bit more layers which was exactly what I needed is just so much. I have so much hair you guys, you have no idea. Oh, you guys wanna see Lola? Okay, let me see if I can, oh, she left. She'll be back. Lola, let's see if she'll be back. If your videos look great too, I'll update the office. Oh yeah, working from home. That's the thing I'm noticing too is a lot of my friends are like, why is my husband home all day? As they're not used to having their husband home, they're able to be home by themselves all day or whatever the case may be and now they're stuck with their spouse nonstop which, you know, you like your independent time. At least I know I do. Low carb meals, okay. Got it, got your math, got it, Lisa. Yeah, I heard about the schools. My neighbor was saying that her son did his senior year and I guess he's completely bummed out that school's close because he doesn't know if he's gonna see his friends again.  I mean, it's crazy. Yeah, it's sad for the school. Sorry if you already talked about this, recommendations for free online workout or yoga routines. So I've heard, now I have not done any research you guys online for routines. I just, I get Jazzercise On Demand for free for 60 days because I'm a Jazzercise member. But just Google workouts on YouTube. I know Whitney Simmons is a big workout person here on YouTube. So just Google that and you guys should be able to find some good free workouts. Can do takeout. Yeah, Pat, yes, Patty. How she has the pandemic effect in our real estate. Yeah, there's literally nothing. It's super slow. And I think it's just because people are not wanting to go into other people's homes. Certainly you're not gonna have an open house. Nobody's gonna come to an open house right now. So yeah, it's definitely slowed down but I don't wanna be out in open house and I don't wanna be in other people's houses either. So I'm actually okay with it. And hopefully once this dies down the market will pick right back up again. So we're actually able to refinance our house because the interest rates were so low we refinanced for 20 years and our house payment only went up like $40 a month. So so worth it to say 10 years on our mortgage. So I'm gonna read comments. Okay, Tammy says my husband works for Bluebelt Creameries and they have been super busy. Yeah, I know everyone wants ice cream. It's comfort food, ice cream and milk. And then Carmen says, where did you get those lashes? Okay, so my lashes are actually off of Amazon. They are linked in my Amazon store called and they're really inexpensive like less than $7 for three sets. And I can get like three or four days wear out of them. So just check out my Amazon store and you'll find them. Oh, I'm sorry, Renee. How is he doing? And okay, so DK says that YouTube has yoga with Adrienne. So definitely check that out. Oh, thanks guys. You're so cute. I, Renee, that's so funny. You say that about your nails because I was just writing in my planner, my nail appointment today. And I'm like, oh, that's only three weeks away. I mean, I know it's so selfish of us, right? But there's just, it's like, we feel like our whole routine is just all thrown out of whack. And I wanna talk a little bit more about staying on track during this time too. I just kinda wanna get through your guys' comments. You work from home, makeup and hair videos. So Christina, I actually have two makeup tutorials on my channel. I want to do a hair tutorial because I have an amazing new Duvall wand that I love, love, love. So that's kind of on my list to do as well. Let's see. Planet Fitness has free classes online. If any of you guys are Planet Fitness members, can you film video on your lashes? So I have my lashes, Lori, in my makeup tutorial. I show you how I put on my lashes. So I would recommend that you watch either one of those tutorials. Lisa asked, did Amazon stop shipping right now? I heard that they're still shipping, but they are priority shipping. So they're shipping all of the essentials first and then all of the non-essentials after that. So if you're buying medicine or that type of thing, it will probably be shipped rather quickly if you're purchasing like me when I went online and ordered a new blender because I've about had it with mine. I'm sure that that isn't the top priority for shipping. So I think that they are still shipping. So DK is asking, did you say planner? Which planner? So I use the Aaron Condren. I love it so much. It's actually, I'll show it to you guys. But yeah, I use the Aaron Condren. I love it. It's actually linked in my Amazon store. So this is it right here. You can totally customize it. I love it. It is my life line. Like I write everything in here, every birthday, everything. So highly recommended. And there is a link in message that I said you had a beautiful glow since you changed clean. I did Anna Maria. And I just filmed that one month update video since I made the switch over. You guys have to check that now.  There has been so many positive changes since I decided to move to a clean approach. It's just been amazing. I'm loving it so much. And I'm not ever going to change, to be honest. Yes, it's so hard to stay on track right now with everything's going on. Yeah, Vanessa for sure. Oh, thanks Maria. I love you too. I've seen you on my TV. Oh Lord. When you guys tell me you watched me on your TV, I'm like, that could be kind of scary. That's a big, big image of me. I don't know. So yeah, that's funny. Oh, so Gwen says you don't have to be a Planet Fitness member to take advantage of the free Planet Fitness online. So hey, there you go. There's a great workout. And just so you guys know, if you are interested in Jazzercise, you can sign up for Jazzercise On Demand. And it's only $20 a month and there are hundreds of routines. I mean, everything from three to five minute routines, 15 minute, 30 minute, 40 minute. And really for 20 bucks a month, it's a really, really great deal. And I did a 45 minute one today. And I feel like I got almost as good of a workout as I do when I go to Jazzercise. It was just a little bit less time because at Jazzercise our workouts an hour and this was 45 minutes. So other than that though, I feel like, I mean, I've got a really good workout today. Like I said, I'm super, super sore from it. So yeah, I'm grateful for Jazzercise On Demand and I'm hoping that we can go back to classes before 60 days, but I don't know. So I guess we shall see you. So I wanna talk to you guys a little bit about staying on track right now. And I know that it's really, really hard. I know for me, I'm a board eater. So if I am quarantined and stuck at home and I have nothing to do, then that's when I want to snack and eat. So I'm a board eater. I know that a lot of you are stress eaters and this is a terrible time if you're a stress eater as well. So I wanna talk with you guys about staying on track and how to stay on track during this kind of crazy stressful time. Okay, so Vicki says, you look so good. So how much have you lost since going to the whole food? Okay, so in my update video, I went over that but I've lost over eight pounds before my weigh-in this week just since I switched to clean eating. So it's been, I've lost I think every week but one week, yeah, so I'm thrilled for that. You look fabulous, work from home and struggle with snacking. So okay, so are you a board eater then, Dee Dee? Because I am a board eater. Renee says, I guess we can't go camping. I look forward to our trips. This would be the third year. So are we not gonna be able to go camping this summer because we've actually booked a couple of cabins. Oh, this is so stressful you guys. Love your smoothie video. What is your, what smoothie is your favorite? Oh, thanks, Lori. My favorite, you guys, honestly, honest to goodness. If I'm making my favorite smoothie, it is the one that I used apple juice, a banana, some berries and some greens and you just blend it up. And if I need to thin it out, I'll use coconut water. That's honestly my favorite smoothie. It's so good and sweet and I count it as three points because you count for the apple juice. I do not count for blended fruit. So it's a three point smoothie for me. So Renee says, it's been tough. I want to eat, but not candy. Well, what do you mean? What do you want to eat, Renee? DK, I thought I would only get charms if I did the workshops. Oh no, honey, you get the charms. They send them to you in the mail. Finding myself, how do you look so good all the time? I look like I've been 40 miles down on a bad road.  You should have seen me earlier all like no makeup, pajamas, sweaty, nasty after jazzercise. That's very sweet of you, but that's not the case at all. I hope you can camp. Me too, Emily. Me too, hi, Kristin. Renee says, she'll eat if she's bored, happy, stressed, unhappy, et cetera. She doesn't really care. Yeah, I'm not much of a stress eater to be honest with you. If I'm stressed, I have the opposite problem. I'm not hungry. But when I'm bored, that's when I wanna snack. And you guys told you, I loaded up my pantry, my fridge and my freezer, so we have all the snacks here. So that's when I find myself wanting to snack more is when I'm bored. So we just have to come up with things to do to keep ourselves busy. And I was actually just thinking today, what better time than right now to spring clean your house?  I mean really like a deep spring clean. So I actually think that's what my focus is gonna be this next, is really just spring cleaning my house and then my husband can help. He doesn't know that yet, but he can help us. Let's see. Steph says, loving all the chat, total stress board eater here. I've started watching your older videos to make all the sweet treats to help curb the cravings. Yeah, definitely you guys, I have over 500 videos. Who'da known? So go back and watch all those videos. You'll guys will get tons of ideas, videos before I switch over to clean eating, just it'll give you tons of recipes. And like I said, binge watch YouTube. Go watch all the old videos to get all of those recipe ideas. I mean that's a great way to keep your mind off of food is by doing something else besides eating food. So highly recommend just binge watching your favorite YouTubers or maybe even finding some new favorite YouTubers. Do you guys have your water? Water, do you guys have it? Sherry says, I already work from home daily, but I'm on my second dose of prednisone in the last three weeks. It makes me eat junk. So I've been doing 20 jumping jacks or pushups that I had a great. That's a great idea. That's actually a really good tip, really, really good tip. So if you guys think you're hungry, think and quotes, then do something else for 20 minutes or drink some water or drink something and see if you're still hungry because sometimes we're thirsty or like I said, we're bored and so we're thinking about food. So do something else and see if you still want that same food. And sometimes honestly, you don't. After you've done something else, that craving for that food kind of goes away. And Lisa says, I wanna snack when I watch TV. Same girl, that's me at night. I'm always like snacky snack. So what I've done, and this was one of my things that I did starting in January, starting in 2020 is I no longer eat past 6 p.m. That way I don't have to worry about eating at night and snacking at night. I do not allow myself food past 6 p.m. Now in the event that I'm out doing something and I don't get to eat dinner till six, then I'll give myself till seven. I usually will give myself a half an hour to an hour after I've eaten dinner to close my kitchen. And that has really helped me from wanting to snack at night. Like last night I was watching The Bachelor and I really wanted to snack, but it was past 6 p.m. So Renee, the pro granola is 100% clean. Like the cleanest granola that you've got. Definitely, definitely. Hello from Alaska. Yeah, great Vanessa. So she says she's been watching and discovering new YouTubers. So that's awesome because it'll keep your mind off of things and plus you may discover someone that you never knew that you would really wanna watch. So that's really cool. Monica asked me, how is your progress from your vision board going? Okay, so my vision board is actually right here in front of me. So my one thing is to lose a 50 pound. So that's coming along nicely. I tracking honestly, I do that most of the time. I'm not, I'm gonna be honest. Like I always have most of the time I track honestly, work out three times a week. I'm killing it. I'm four times a week. Having four rollovers every day. I actually don't have that anymore because since I transitioned to more whole food I'm using all my points every day in order to eat those whole foods. And I'm 150% okay with that because I'd rather eat these whole foods than have rollover points. So I'm okay with that. And then it says 30,000 subscribers. As you guys know, I hit 25 a little while ago. So I'm well on my way to 30. So cross your fingers. That happens by the end of the year. My next thing is 12 houses sold. Unless it dramatically picks up. I don't know if that's gonna happen. And I'm okay. I mean, considering the situation, I'm okay. 52 weigh-ins, I'm well on my way to that. I have not missed a weigh-in. And then lastly was posting my weight tracker. And you guys know that I did post my weight loss for January and February. So look at me go. I've gotten most of the things on my vision board done. So that's awesome. So yeah, it's going actually really, really well. Let's see. Make a double batch. Good idea, Greta. I've made those muffins, a Louise Lane's recipe and they're really good. So yeah, definitely do that. She has some great recipes. She's my friend. So I speak very highly of her. I just wanna let you know that you're such a help to me and my daughter.  Okay, we are friends, you guys. All 25,000 of you on my channel are my friends. Like I consider you guys my friends. And when I'm talking to my camera, I'm talking to a friend. So you are my friend. All of you are my friends. And I'm so incredibly blessed to have you guys in my life, seriously. I cannot say that enough. I ride my exercise bike while watching YouTube videos. Great idea, Teresa. It's funny, someone tagged me on Instagram the other day and she was watching my video on the treadmill and it showed her walking and then it said currently watching. It was really cute and she tagged me on Instagram. So it's a great way if you're at the gym to make your time just go a lot faster. I love your dogs. I have two also. Me too, Amy. I love them so much. Lisa says she wishes she could do her eyeliner like me. Oh, I'm really not that good at it honestly. Yeah, I'm really not. But thank you. That's really sweet of you. Can't thank you enough for talking about clean eating on WW. I'm so much more satiated and just feel better eating cleaner. Amen, Robin. And here's the thing. If you guys don't want to eat clean, you don't have to. No one is forcing you to do that. And if you want to slowly transition into clean eating then go transition in slowly. I went in both feet first because it was that important to me. And I'm kind of like that. Like when I set my mind to something I'm gonna go in 100%. So I went in 100% but you can certainly take those baby steps. Certainly. Google websites that tell you what you're lacking when you have cravings. Yes, I've heard of that before. I've heard of that. Hi Tracy. Amy asked if I'm planning any makeup videos because my makeup is always spot on. I have two makeup tutorials on my channel Amy. So definitely check those two out. I may do a get ready with me because I get a lot of questions on my hair too. So I may do a get ready with me. Kelly says hi from the UK. Oh, hey Kelly. I love your clean eating content. Thank you. Oh my gosh, we have tons of messages. She's really sweet Lauren. Yes, she is. Rachel wants a makeup tutorial. There is two on my channel guys. So check those two out at least for now. Watch while I'm at treadmill. I know I can't get the line or do the wing thing. I'm not very good at it either to be honest. Rachel said are your lashes strips or individuals? They're actually stripped like just the glue on and they are linked in my Amazon store. These are my favorites and they're cheap. It's I don't know, $6 for three pairs. Highly recommend. I see that gun you are holding to my head. I know right Renee? Apparently I am and apparently I'm forcing people to eat clean whatever. It's just I'm so over that whole thing. It's actually died down and I haven't heard anything else about it. And like I said, you know, if somebody doesn't agree with what I'm saying or doesn't want to watch my videos then don't watch them. I mean, that's not going to change what I'm doing and I'm going to be always honest and transparent. So I'm going to continue to do that and that's sharing what I'm eating, which is clean. Holly says, love your videos. I don't know about anyone else but for some reason with everything going on I'm struggling to eat right and healthy. Okay, yes. So that is true. Everything going on, eating within our points, going and okay, so here's the thing. We don't have workshops anymore. So the accountability of stepping on the scale in front of someone at WW is gone. That's a huge thing for some people.  It keeps me accountable during the week. If I don't have to step on the scale in front of my wonderful people at my workshop I'm less likely to stay on track. So first, there's that. Secondly, they have taken out all of the opportunity to exercise in a social setting whether that be in a group or a class format. Now you're limited to exercising at home, going for walks. So that can play a part in people not staying on track. And then on top of that, like we talked about you're stressed out, you're bored, you've hoarded in a sense a lot of food in your house so you have a lot of options of things to eat. So that's another reason why we tend to fall off of track when things like this happen. So we basically have three things against us that we have to overcome. And that's a lot for some people plus we're trying to live our daily life and pay our bills and figure out what's going to happen and hope that we don't get sick and our friends and family and our parents don't get sick. I told my mom she can't leave her house. So I mean, I totally understand that it's really hard right now and WW is not the priority for a lot of people. I mean, that's just the reality of it. And I've seen where people have said that they're gonna gain weight, they're gonna gain 10 pounds during this or they're gonna lose 10 pounds during this.  So let's see, Rachel is going to try and schedule another meetup. I know the other one didn't work out but would love to do one. I'm thinking about it. As you guys know, I was planning on going to San Diego. Actually I was leaving Friday but because of the coronavirus, the fun run I was going down to do was canceled and my best friend is still getting over pneumonia. So just timing was not good but I am planning on with the credit I have at the airfare going to San Diego at some point. So I may do a meetup there like maybe we could all go to SeaWorld or something. So that's a possibility but I'm gonna be there no matter what and I'm not going to depend on other people to be there. I'm gonna just leave that door open if anybody wants to come. I think everyone is so stressed it makes you wanna eat more. Yeah, absolutely, Lisa.  So yes, I actually take them off before I get in the shower obviously and literally you just pull the strip and it comes off and it's actually sitting on your lid not actually on your eyelashes so it doesn't pull off your natural lashes and then I just kind of pick off the glue and then that way they'll last me two or three days of wearing them. I think this is day two for these ones. DK says, I was thinking I had buyer's remorse when I joined because it seemed like the only videos I could find were processed highly foods, processed foods. Yes, a lot of people eat that way and here's the thing you guys it's because we're given a certain number of smart points every single day. So in order for us to eat within those smart points we're leaning towards processed low fat, fat free foods. Oh my gosh, I did it. I was the queen of processed foods. So many people have said I almost stopped watching you because you ate so many processed foods and there's a lot of other people on YouTube that eat a lot of processed foods but you know what they're still losing weight and I think that it's just all whatever works for you and for your body and for me eating a cleaner diet works so much better I feel so much better and I'm still able to stay within my points and that's I mean that's the reality. I am having trouble with the virtual meeting. The great shopper plans, what do you mean? The virtual meetings don't start until tomorrow. Let's see, besides so cute skip, cute name says besides cooking, what hobbies do you enjoy? Well, let's see. I feel like I don't have a lot of hobbies.  I like to work out in my yard in the summer but honestly, I don't have a lot of hobbies. I need to get a hobby or two.  My husband is not allowed to go shopping with me. That's no way to know how is he going shopping with me because I literally turn around and there's stuff in my cart. So I don't allow him to go. I just ask him what he wants before I go. Plus honestly, it's like my time, you know? It's kind of my time to scan food and look in the aisles and try to find new things to share. So it's fine with me that he doesn't go. Lori says, how did you like the French onion chicken meatballs you posted in a video a couple of weeks ago? So mine were really salty. Next time when I make those, I'm going to literally cut the salt in half. Other than that, they were really tender and delicious. Just salty. Lori, I'm going to make those. They looked amazing. They're really, really good. Phyllis says, very stressed so far have lost 25 pounds. Good job. 70 to go, very overwhelmed. How do you handle? Well, what are you overwhelmed with Phyllis? Like what piece of your weight loss journey are you overwhelmed with? Daisy says, oh my gosh, that sounds amazing. Love you, Jen. I also follow, oh, love you, Daisy. Those of us that follow clean eating on WW, shoot, we should start a Facebook group, you guys. Seriously, where we can go share recipes and things. I'm just not going to moderate it because I've got a lot on my plate with YouTube and my Facebook group, but that'd be something that we should consider. Katrina says, hi, Jen, love clean eating. I've been in transition for the last few years. It took me a while to get there. My cholesterol has gone from 275 to 156 and I feel great. Oh my goodness. That's crazy, Katrina. Good for you. Oh my gosh, good for you. I'm telling you guys, eating whole food makes such a difference in so many aspects, not just weight loss, but just health and overall how you feel.  And I'll also tell you guys too that my recovery time from Jassercise has improved so much, not as sore as long. It's crazy. Absolutely crazy. Let's see. Renee says, well, not surprisingly, I'm hungry. I'm going to dinner. Thank you for all you do.  You go have some dinner, Renee. Thank you for stopping by. Sandra Lee says, have you tried the hint waters? Yes, I love them. I actually just bought a big case of the spindrift at Costco. Speaking of water, you guys, the hint is really, really good because it doesn't have any artificial or natural flavors. Any other sparkling water, any other sparkling water is going to have natural flavors other than spindrift. So I highly recommend getting spindrift if you're looking for like a sparkling water. And Maria asked if we like chili. We do. My husband actually just asked for chili the other day. All right, Katrina, figuring the Weight Watcher thing out when trying to eat clean was a struggle for me for a year. Wow. Well, you know what? Baby steps. Right? Baby steps and just eat as clean as you can. It doesn't have to be perfect. It never has to be perfect. Hi, Miss Yvonne. Let's see. Hitchika. So eating clean, rocking, whole foods. Thanks for doing you, boo. Oh, thanks, Penny. You guys are so sweet. I love you. Okay. My, I don't know if I'm probably gonna slaughter this. Zulanette says, my kids both had big events this year for sure. One has been canceled. My daughter's trip to Germany was canceled today and my son's prom graduation may not happen. That's the part that makes me sad. I mean, they've went to school for 12 years to have this and they may not have that prom in that graduation. Matt, I'm gonna have kids and that breaks my heart. Janice says, hi, Janice. She says my biggest struggle is the afternoon. I tend to get hungry two hours after lunch. I try to limit myself to one point snack. I 23 points daily. What about having some zero point foods? Whether that be maybe some fruit or some vegetables to kind of along with the one point item, kind of bulk it up and keep you full. So Lisa says, do you have very much more energy since clean eating? How much better do you feel? Oh my God. You need to watch my video. Go on my channel, Lisa and watch the update, my one month update of clean eating because I go over all of that in depth. But yes, the answer to your question is absolutely. Stephanie says, hi, Jan. Hi, Stephanie. When browsing and buying foods online, how do you personally estimate the smart points? I don't because generally additional information on whatever food you're purchasing. So I just go by the nutritional information, put that in my calculator and get a accurate number of smart points. Now, if there isn't any nutritional information, I'll look up in my app something similar to that and assume the points can be fairly close to that. So hopefully that helps. Zilla Diamond, hi. Do you have to live in the USA for Jazzercise? I don't know. Jazzercise does have on demand. So you can sign up for $19.95 a month and do Jazzercise online on demand. So work better for eating clean. Maybe I've never done the purple plan. And like I mentioned in my update video that I don't trust myself enough yet to go on the purple plan as far as portion control goes. So I would imagine that yes, because all of the clean foods are zero points, but for me, it's just the portion piece of it. I don't trust myself quite yet with the portion piece. So that's why I made the jump from green to blue versus from green to purple. Let's see. I pronounced it correctly, Zulanet Perez. It's beautiful. I love it. Leely69ification says, hello Jen, thank you for your videos. You're truly an inspiration. I appreciate all your information. Oh, thank you. Hi, Hope. So yeah, that's kind of in a nutshell, my opinion and things that I think we should work on during this crazy time to help us stay on track and not gain weights.  Even if we don't gain and maintain, that's better than pre-packaged food diet. Keto and Atkins, clean eating with clean whole foods with WW is the best, love your videos. I've never tried a pre-packaged food diet. I have done keto and I have done Atkins and I was successful on those programs, but they're not sustainable for me. I like sweets, as you guys know, and I have a hard time when someone tells me that I can't have something. It literally makes me want it more. So those two plans just for me, they don't work. That's why I chose WW and I'm a WW for life, just saying. Lori says, are you originally from Spokane and how far Spokane from the town where the nursing home suffered so many losses? So I was actually born in Grand Forks, North Dakota. It's crazy as that is, but we moved here to Spokane when I was in the second grade. So basically I've lived in Spokane most of my life. I did take a couple of short hiatuses. I lived in Missoula, Montana for a while. I lived in both Coeur d'Alene and Spirit Lake. I don't know for a while, but yes, the majority of my life, I've lived here in Spokane. And Spokane is about five hours from Seattle. So we're about five hours from where the biggest hit of the coronavirus is. I mean, the biggest hit, so we're about five hours from that. I remember my mom doing jazzercise in the early 80s. I know. Actually, one of the instructors, she just turned 60, she was following me on Instagram. She's whose house I went to for her 60th birthday party. Oh my gosh. It was so fun. We had such a good time, but she's been doing jazzercise for like 30 years. She looks amazing. Like you would never know that she's 60. She's muscular. Wow. Yeah. Crazy. Rachel says, I agree about not being sustainable. I did keto, lost about 50 pounds in four months and gained them all back within a year. Right, because as soon as you start eating carbs again, you probably are going to gain it back. Now not everybody. I'm certainly not a nutritionist or a doctor. I'm just saying that logically, if you remove a food from your diet and you reintroduce that food, your body's going to have a hard time adjusting to that food, if that makes sense. Let's see. Trish says, the person that was asking about the video chats instructions, I was just able to go on Weight Watchers, hit the connect button, hit new group and choose the city or state. Yes, so that's exactly what I did yesterday. Thank you. Yes, that is what I did.  So that's what I did yesterday so that I can do it on Friday and then share with you guys a recap and weigh in and all that fun stuff. Misty says, are you having problems finding food that is on plan due to the shortages? So that's actually a great question. So here's something funny for you. Yesterday I decided to do a huge stock up. You guys, wait till you see my grocery haul on Saturday. I noticed, and this is interesting that, yeah, stores are wiped out, legit wiped out, but what is on the shelves are all of the whole organic foods, the organic milks and cheeses and eggs. Those were all still there. So for me, I was like, yes girl, I can get everything that I want. Everybody bought all the cheap stuff. So I was so glad and I told my husband, another reason why I like this play of eating because I can find what I need at the grocery store. So I find that a lot of, most everything is gone. The stores are pretty wiped clean, crazy. I can still find toilet paper. And I think we probably have enough for maybe a couple more months. So, oh, I'm gonna write this down. Oh, I think Lola's in here guys. Hang on, someone's asking if I can do Katrina, a fridge tour. I have done a fridge, freezer, pantry tour, but now that I've really stocked up, I may do another one. So I think Lola's in here. Oh, let's see Lola Lou. You ready? You say hi baby. Say hi to everyone. Hi honey. Oh, everyone says hi Lola. I know, isn't she the fricking cutest ever?  Yep, he does. He sure does. And I would say that he actually liked most of them. Not all of them, but most of them. You're very informative. Thanks for all you do. You are so welcome. I love my carbs too, Zulanette. I am with girl. Yes, all organic was there. Yes, exactly. Hope all the organic grass fed meat, all the things that I love were at the grocery store. So I wasn't complaining.  Yeah, absolutely. There's nothing that I don't eat, to be honest with you. Now there may be ingredient substitutions that I make, but I eat all of the food pyramid. Yeah, absolutely. I know, is it Lola cute? I love her so much. She's so precious. Diesel's in bed, so you're out of luck seeing him. He hasn't moved all day. He usually waits by the window for his dad to come home and then that's when he gets up for the day. Amy asked if I've considered being a WWE ambassador or a Jazzercise instructor. So as far as a WWE ambassador, they have to ask me and no one has asked me. But I mean, I would totally be game for it. I would actually love to be a coach someday. That would be awesome. And as far as the Jazzercise instructor, yeah, I mean, I would like it. It's just, it's a huge commitment. And at this point with YouTube and real estate and all the things, I just really can't make that big of a commitment. And I don't want to get burnt out either. I know myself and I don't want to get burnt out. I want to still enjoy it and want to go.  So, yeah. Stephanie, any plans to start a website or cookbook? Sorry, my throat is sore from, I did not have the virus. My throat is sore from allergies. My allergies have been really bad. Cookbook, no. Probably not, but I have been thinking about a website. I haven't committed, but I've been thinking about it. Right now I have all my recipes on my Facebook group. So I thought about having a website where I could put all of my recipes. It's just, I don't know about having the time to maintain a website. So I have to look a little deeper into that. Way to go team. Next piece of non-scale victory. I bought a pair of size 14 pants and I started out at 28. Girl, that's half. That's half. Good for you. Good for you. Oh, thanks Lisa. I think I would make a good coach too. I would love it too, just helping people. That would be amazing. Emily says, do you stick to clean eating on your Saturday treat day? Would love to see an eating out, cleanly on the go at restaurants. No, I don't. Saturday is my one day. Now, okay, let me rephrase that. I try to eat healthy food for the majority of the day, but my husband and I do go out to a meal and I don't worry about eating clean. Like if he wants pizza or a burger, it's like the day that I can indulge in what actually he wants. So no, generally not. I have done what I eat in a day on my cheat day and it's up on my channel currently. So I did do that prior to switching to clean eating, which is still kind of the same way I operate on my cheat day. Ah, Lisa says, you can't cough around anyone. They think you're contagious. I know one of my clients for real estate actually told me that she went to Walmart and she has allergies because it's allergy season bad here. And she was kind of sniffling and blowing her nose and people were just freaking out around her. I'm like, good heaven's sakes. I tell you what, but I get it. Like I get it, it's like calm down. It's allergy season. It really is.  It's the best feeling, absolutely. And I've noticed I posted that picture that side-by-side for you guys of the day I started Jazzercise and a few days ago, what a huge difference. That alone, I'm noticing more difference there than even with the loss of weight. It's crazy. Okay, Monica says, what do you think about a week of what I eat today? Oh yes, actually, yeah. What I eat in a week, yes. I am actually wanting to do that. I think that that's something that I'm gonna do here soon. The thing is is I have to be able to plan that out.   I eat it all. But I guess there's all the other food or maybe I just might not eat my meal prep that whole week and try to change it. But yeah, it's on my plan. Lori asked, is your necklace Kendra Scott? It is. It sure is. Actually, Lauren over at Loise Lane had this necklace that she got from her boyfriend for Christmas. And I asked her where she got it and I had to go order one because it's so cute, you guys. I love it. I love your spring cleaning idea.  I think that spring cleaning right now is a great way to get in some extra fit points. I'm gonna do it. Okay, okay. So Monica says, she doesn't think my what I eat in a week will be boring if I eat the same breakfast and lunch. So okay, well I may just do that. Rachel says, my daughter is a Kendra Scott ambassador and has the same necklace. How do you become an ambassador? Because I love her jewelry.  I love her jewelry. Babs Life, I think you mentioned another fog but can you remind me what app you've used to count your calories? Yes, I use the Lose It app. It is free, but I actually just signed up for the year because I've been using it so much to kind of double track. That was my goal this week. Remember in my weigh in video I said that I was going to double track this entire week calories and points and compare. So I went ahead and just sign up for the brand new stress that you can use the app for free. Amy says, it would not be boring even repeats with meal prep. It's inspiring. Okay, well you guys got it.  I just have to get that together and film. And the other thing I wanted to ask you guys is what's your guys' thought on vlogs? So just like day in the life, like what I'm doing, where I'm going, not when I'm just at home all day like today, but like are you guys interested in that? Because I have put up a couple of vlogs like when I went to Seattle, when I went to Vegas, actually when I went to Vegas twice, once for work and once for fun. And they just didn't get a big response on my channel. So I was just wondering, do you guys like the vlog style or do you prefer more like food related and recipe related videos? That will kind of help me out a little bit as well. I just noticed that they don't get as much attraction on YouTube. It doesn't mean that I'm not gonna do that. I just try to put out the content that I know that you guys want to see. So, okay, Mary says, have you ever made a dish from Amy's Healthy Baking or Chocolate Covered Katie? Okay, so I don't know anything about Amy's Healthy Baking. I've never heard of that. But I do follow Chocolate Cover Katie on Instagram and I know I have not made any of their recipes, but I definitely is something that, yeah, I for sure consider doing. That would be great day in the life outside the house. Okay, well, if you guys would like to see that, then I'll definitely think about doing more vlogs instead of just doing recipe videos. Yeah, speaking of videos, okay, so tomorrow, so stay tuned, actually have you guys all watched my What I Eat Today because it was a really good one. I made an amazing salad. Like legit amazing salad. But I have tomorrow and I'm really excited about this. Super excited. My video going up tomorrow is ingredients to avoid and why. And I did a ton of research. I spent this protein powder video that I'm working on. I'm gonna have like six hours into this video and that ingredients what to avoid and why. I have just as much time into that. So definitely check it out tomorrow. It's a long video, but I literally go through all of the common ingredients and tell you what to watch for. It's, it took me a long time. So check it out, check out my What I Eat Today from today. It was really, really fun. You got to see Desalola getting green beans and doing all the things. So maybe a clothes shopping vlog. Well, that's a great idea, Monica, but I am on a no clothes buying spree. If you guys saw my closet, you would, I have a problem. I have a lot of clothes. And now that I don't go to work every day, I don't even wear half of them. So I am on a no buying clothes, none or 20, unless I'm buying things that have worn out like socks and underwear. Like I'm not buying any clothes, zero, not even workout clothes, which I love. So yeah, I won't probably be doing any clothing hauls, unfortunately. Let's see, any clothes? I know what you meant, Kelly. I knew you meant WW. Mary says, Amy's healthy is all about natural whole food eating, including desserts. Okay, well, I will check her out for sure. I've been looking a little bit on Clean Food Crush, which is another really good Facebook group, if you guys want to check that out for some clean recipes. Lori asks, will you film a video about calories compared to WW Points Experiment you're doing this week? I hope you won't have an entire video, but I will talk about it in my weigh-in video. But when I film the what I eat in a week, I will do calories, and then that way it kind of ties into the what I eat in a week. Emily says, have you ever watched Becca Bristow? Yes, yes, yes, and yes. My first movie comes from her. I don't know what Keep Up With Liv is. I'll have to check that out. I also really like the Sweet Pea Chef on YouTube. She's another one that has kind of eat clean and many Simmons. It's great as well. How do you organize your pantry and fridge? So I have a pantry fridge video on my channel, and I would recommend that you check that out.  I may do another tour of the fridge, freezer, and pantry. So anyways, we have been on here, my friends, for almost an hour. So let's go just about five more minutes and we'll kind of wrap it up. So if you have any other questions for me, leave them for me. So Babs4Live says, have you ever thought about doing a Fabe's video from Food Services, other YouTubers you watch? So I do a favorites video every quarter. So I did a winter favorites. It's up on my channel and my spring favorites will be out in April. So yes, I already do that, actually. I don't talk about YouTubers. I mainly talk about clothing, or I'm not clothing, food, beauty, and household, but I may start incorporating YouTubers because I have a lot of favorite YouTubers. So that's a great idea. So that will be in April, my favorites. So let's see, health nut nutrition. Okay, Lib is another YouTuber who eats paleo. Highly recommend. Okay, Emily, I'll check her out as well. Marge says, late comer, but would love to see vegan recipes, vegan and purple go hand in hand. So I do have a new vegetarian recipes on my channel. Marge, so just go back and you can even type in vegetarian in the search bar on my page and it'll pop those up for you, those videos where I did that. Oh, he does, Katrina. I didn't know that. I love Bobby. I love Flav City. You guys, that's where I got my inspiration to start thinking about transitioning to clean eating and then it just snowballed from there. If you guys do not watch Flav City, watch him. So good. I know, right, Lisa?  I'm in the same boat allergies are in high gear. Yeah, it's miserable. Trinity loves me too. Love, love, love your videos. Keep up the great work, Jen. Thanks, guys. You guys are so awesome. Thank you for all of the video suggestions and thank you for joining me on this slide. I really need to figure out what the heck is wrong with my webcam. The heck, I can see myself on Skype. That's kind of how I tested it. YouTube doesn't allow us to test our camera before we actually hit the go live button.  So a little bit bummed out about that. Nice to see you in the context of normal conversation. Your every bit is nice as you see them on your videos. Oh, thanks, Ms. Britton. You guys, all my videos, what I have in real life today, I'm the same. This is who I am. Pick Up Limes is a great vegan YouTube channel. Oh, there you go for, I think it was Marge that asked about vegan. Check out Pick Up Limes. What a cute name. So anyways, that's it guys. It's been almost an hour. So thank you guys for joining me on this slide. It was really fun. Again, I'll figure out my webcam situation so that we can maybe go on my computer and it would be a little bit more than this weird close up on my phone. And if you're watching on a TV, sorry in advance that I'm huge and ginormous faced on your TV. So I will try to save this slide, Emily. This is my first time doing this. I have to see if I can figure that out. But thanks guys for joining me. We'll definitely do another one. I seriously love you guys so, so much. Check out my what I eat in a day. Stay tuned for my ingredients video tomorrow. Have a great day, you guys. I love you all.


I've tried to make a video explaining what's going on right now Like four times and it just turns into this long rambling mess so I'm just gonna I'm just gonna request patience and I'll show you More when I have more to show but right now. I'll just give you the gist in the daytime I'm digging access to this property where I'm gonna build my forever fortress like the place I'm gonna live and For the rest of my life, that's where I'm dying That's where I'm gonna build an amazing workshop. I'm gonna have like an indoor running track and you know just crazy amazingness So I'm digging the access into there right now and it is slow going and a Little while ago. I kind of did a calculation in my head And I was like this could take like another year or two To to get this access in there. I'm clearing out a river. That's just full of all kinds of stuff Like yesterday. I found a glass bottle in there, which was really nice for my finger Anyway, it's just tons of work and it's slow going and I was like, okay Look if I just make this a priority and I do it for a few months It'll be done and I started that I don't know how long is this beard like a month and a half I started out about a month and a half ago just making that first priority. So I'm just doing that all day and You know in the When I'm not there, I'm just stuffing my face full of food and stretching and just making sure I don't get injured And I keep my energy going and then in the evenings. I'm working on this video game and I'll just put a link I'm gonna have to make a separate video explaining this whole video game thing But it's I just wanted to make a video game that has a really positive Message and it is like in entertaining and interesting. There's lots of blasting but also a cool story And you know basically all the stuff that I want in a video game and that I want in a video game for my kids to play and I've got a lot of it done like there's a there's a significant amount of playable stuff So I'll put a link to where that is right now. It's not it's only like halfway finished What you can play and then once I get that part all done I'm gonna have to go back and you know Fancy up all the graphics put in all sound effects and stuff. So I still have a bunch of work I'm gonna go dig Come on muscles Sorry, I know that was kind of a rambling mess too Can't organize my thoughts right now because all that's going through my head Which is what I want is just keep making progress keep making progress keep making progress keep making progress And I just need to keep that in my head for another month or so Sometimes things just get crazy. Okay, this is the test area. This isn't even part of the game


Okay. Well, we're in for round two, at least for me. So, hi again. Fred Karris here from Ericsson and my colleague Ronnie and I are going to go through, I think, a topic that I hope will be of interest. It is a very interesting thing to me about what a system I call Agile SI. And we'll talk about that here in a second. So, once again, Fred Karris and I'm a principal consultant with Ericsson. I've worked on a number of large, very large enterprise private cloud developments and then the deployment and into the field. It's interesting, we call them deployments, but if you really think about them and you're going to see, they're really large system integration programs. So, and then with me is Ronnie Haddad. Ronnie is a cloud solutions architect also with Ericsson and he and I actually worked over the past year on a very large cloud sort of deployment system integration project. So, the situation is that enterprise private clouds are accelerating in scale, thank you, in scale and complexity. As you just saw, those that were in the prior discussion from Earl, you can see right now that it's accelerating in scale and complexity. The challenge, though, is while we're adopting agile methods in our development and DevOps for releasing cloud updates and so forth, we see, frankly, the enterprise is very siloed at the especially large enterprise and they move at very different speeds. So, we're going to examine some case study scenarios. That's what Ronnie is going to be an expert at and then talk about some solutions that we see from some models as well as technology for making other parts of sort of this equation of bringing the cloud together happen more agilely. And then finally, we'll talk about some new technology innovations that are on the horizon that will help us speed us along as well in the future here. Okay, so first of all, I'd mentioned about the enterprise private cloud accelerating here in scale and complexity. So, here's an interesting factoid. If you look at the size of the enterprise private cloud in 2015, it's going to be in 2020. So, at this point, four years from now, 10 times the size, this is measured in dollars spend worldwide, we're going to see a tenfold increase in sort of the magnitude of the enterprise private cloud deployments. And the second fact is that more enterprises are now shifting, not surprisingly, much more complex application systems, tenant systems over to these clouds. So, this is not like the AWS, Amazon, Azure, things where maybe they're much smaller, you know, dozens of VMs or less small medium business. These are large hundreds, even thousands of virtual machine type of systems. So, you know, the question is why the big increase, frankly, if you think about it, enterprises are adopting this because of security issues with their applications. There's some very complex integration between applications that are occurring that they wouldn't be able to instantiate well in a public cloud. And frankly, at the end of the day, it's about end to end control, right? Okay, so, with all this happening and OpenStack is a big contributor, the good news is Agile is here, as we heard in the keynote address this morning, and I think most people here know, there are twice yearly version releases of OpenStack, each one of them with more features and functionality and all that. And our experience is the tech dev kind of organizations, development organizations in large enterprises are adopting these to these release cycles, being able to architect whatever that enterprise strategy is and architecture is for these clouds. However, so they're basically getting in line with an agile type development, and that's a good thing. So, very, very fast. And like I said, we're all happy about it. However, what about the other enterprise organizations that play into this equation? So, we're going to explore that right now. So, first of all, I thought this would be an interesting thing for you. I think most of you may be aware of this beer guy, right, the world's most interesting guy. Well, this is the perspective from enterprise IT's most interesting man. I love it. I don't always do agile, but when I do, I do it like waterfall. And it is so true, and there's good reason, by the way, they do it as waterfall. We'll explore those, but I thought that was kind of funny and had a lot of truth to it. So, once again, those that were here for the last presentation saw this diagram, but I just want to quickly touch on it again. And it's what really comprises an enterprise cloud. So, we've got this marvelous OpenStack software that's getting continually upgraded by the community, new releases, and so forth. But in the grand scheme of things, that is just one-third of the production cloud, there's two other equally important components. The first is the infrastructure. Of course, that comes from the data center infrastructure through your typical IT organization that supplies the bare metal platforms and other software functions, the infrastructure that the cloud rides on. And then second, there is the cloud tenants, so the actual applications. And it's really only the intersection of all three of those that make up the production cloud. So, we have to consider how agile are they? And then finally, they all rest upon the typical, I'll say, enterprise. We've always done it this way, things. And so, there's actually a fourth element as well that is really necessary for this cloud to be actually a functioning entity. So, quick review. As I mentioned, the cloud software development and enterprises we're working with is actually becoming quite agile, right? Some of them are different degrees, but frankly, they're getting close. They're getting themselves attuned to this six-month release cycle and being able to do quick bug fixes and things like that. And get that new technology out to the tenants, the applications that are actually the ones that are consuming them and the real business reason for these clouds to be in business in the first place. So, that's happening, frankly, pretty good and it's going fairly fast. Now, we've got our traditional IT, our experience in the large enterprises we're dealing with and we're working with is they are still on a very rigid waterfall-type development, classic SI, requirements, design, integration, verification type of thing. And so, it's sort of big iron and there's good reasons for that. The truth is, frankly, there's big capital investment reasons that they choose. You know what? We've got to standardize on this type of server, this type of storage and those things. It has to do with system-wide compatibility at the infrastructure space. It has to do with vendor relationships and dollars, those type of things. And then finally, the other attribute of our colleagues in Enterprise IT is they are the ones ultimately that are responsible for keeping this whole system up and running from the bare metal up. And production, a system availability is absolutely paramount. So, just culturally, and we heard this morning about culture and the need to change that as we get to a more totally agile cloud system. But their culture is very processed and has a very regimented don't mess with the underlying infrastructure. So, that's typically a very long cycle that they go through in terms of speed. Now, there's the tenant applications and, of course, they're very business-focused. So, sort of from a speed perspective, I put that you see the little speedometer at sort of sometimes they're fast, sometimes they're slow. It's really fast when you're talking about time to market, delivering their end service to their customer, whoever that may happen to be. So, it's all about how they basically consume new services to focus on their product, their service to the customer. However, we found them to actually be quite, I'll say, less fast and maybe even slow in terms of business stability. Once they're in operation, it's don't mess with it, don't rock my boat. I want to keep stable. I'm providing a service as many nines as possible, please. So, sometimes they're fast, sometimes they're slow. And then finally, there is the enterprise systems that I mentioned, the procedure and no good presentation mentioning the enterprise would be good without a Dilbert cartoon. And so, you have Dilbert there actually saying, hey, he needs to go out and see if he can basically get some sort of ballpark prices to the vendor. But frankly, before he does it, he needs to have some sort of a approval, CCB approval of the process. Well, I can't get approved unless I have a CCB but I can't do the CCB unless I have the information. And it's kind of funny, but it really talks about the fact that most organizations are very siloed. They've stratified because that's what's made this big enterprise successful. And so they have old ways of working. They've been successful on that. And you could just imagine the type of things that you deal with that weaved out with are capital appropriation cycles. Three months would be fast. Try 12 months, that's probably closer. Hey, you know what? You want something changed in a data center to meet your next release of your cloud? I need to charge a number before I can even do it. It's part of the cost accounting system, right? I see some heads nodding out there, so you see what I'm saying. You know what? Who's actually paying for this cloud infrastructure up front? It's a new model, right? It's a more utility computing model and who's paying for this capacity up front that'll be used for future expansion. And then ultimately, hey, you know who's in charge of this cloud anyway? There's a lot of different organizations involved. So those are all things, so that kind of moves slow too. So now that you've been sort of seeing all of this, you can see that we actually have an SI dilemma. Got this wonderful new technology, OpenStack software coming in twice a year, new features, new upgrades, and all that type of stuff. But then we've got other elements that frankly aren't nearly as fast. And so what I'd like to do now is turn it over to my colleague, Ronnie. And like I said, he and I worked for the last year on a very, very large enterprise deployment of an OpenStack cloud system. And we were at the forefront of receiving all the wonderful code releases and pushing it out into multiple, multiple data centers. And we ran into all the problems headlong. When we started this project out, I'll never forget one of the executives that this company told us, hey, we just are upgrading software. We're just throwing software out there. Well, we found out really quickly. No, this is about all these other elements as two. So he'll go through some of these scenarios and then tell you how we overcame those issues in the near term and what some strategic approaches are to correcting these things and making the whole system more agile in the long term. So, Ronnie. All right. Thank you, Fred. Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Austin. In fact, I went to grad school here in Austin. Really happy to be back here. This is a great city. So anyway, let's go back to our dilemmas. As Fred mentioned, there's different pieces of the puzzle in order to build that cloud. And so there are challenges along the way. And I'm going to talk about some of these challenges. And then, like Fred mentioned as well, we're going to talk about the short term versus long term strategies. And hopefully, towards the end, dive into some detail about the strategy in order to make this a success. So my first example here is a challenge in trying to implement agile for SI. And so have you ever tried to implement designate or DNS as a service, which is a simple open stack feature, right? So you'll have to think about things like naming convention. What are my naming conventions? Should all my VMs have DNS records or aliases? And so how do I optimize my DNS based on the tenant VM latency? Or are all my DNSs reachable? Do I have any firewalls in the way? And all these questions. And the key point here is really there's a lot of teams involved. So you've got your networking, your security, your IT teams, your architecture that needs to determine naming conventions and the like. And so you've got all these teams involved. You've got multiple decisions and approaches you can take. And so from a really simple software feature push, you could end up with chaos. So that's one example here. Another example and the challenges in trying to implement agile for SI is around infrastructure. So you all know the cloud has to live on some type of infrastructure, right? So your infrastructure has to be architected. The requirements need to be defined. And also there's some certification that has to happen. So how do you actually do that in agile fashion, right? So it's really tough. And you'll have to make the decisions like, well, do I really care about what kind of brands, what kind of servers, what kind of hardware I'm trying to run over here? Do I really care about within a single type of, let's say server, what is my rate configuration? How many hard drives do I have? What kind of storage do I have on those? My BIOS or firmware versions, et cetera, do they have to be the homogeneous versus heterogeneous decision? What do I really care about? What are the specifics that I want to make similar versus the ones that I'm not really relevant to the end goal? So and how do you make this agile? That's real challenge. Another example of the challenges in trying to go the agile route is the business owners and the tenants that are coming into the cloud. So some of them, within an enterprise cloud, these tenants or businesses might be internal or external. So some of them might have some requirements or mandates or needs and they wouldn't get on the cloud unless those needs are achieved. So for example, one of the tenants could say, hey, I don't want this storage technology. You better get me another storage technology here, otherwise I'm not going to get on board. Another one would be, I don't really want to use this cloud for my production unless you have this specific software feature. So these kind of decisions will impact the enterprise strategy as a whole and so revenue will be affected and also productivity will be affected and decreased. So tenants or those businesses need to be educated about cloud usage and some of them might have unrealistic expectations as well and one thing they ask for is high fidelity like was mentioned earlier. They want really environments where they can test that their applications work well within that ecosystem that the enterprise is introducing. So another challenge in general in trying to go the agile route in an enterprise is the dilemma that's called the alignment autonomy dilemma. So you've got different teams within the enterprise. So there's two things that need to happen to go the agile route. There's autonomy and there's alignment. So the enterprise has to be aligned. There's also some autonomy that actually improves productivity that would like to implement. So for example, you're trying to implement an open stack feature that requires different teams like the networking, the security, the architecture. So these teams need to collaborate and somehow if you do too much alignment, nothing gets done, right? This is the typical dilemma of scaling agile. So finding the sweet spot is a real challenge and so here's one example from the book, The Art of Action that actually tells you what the sweet spot could look like. So you've got autonomy over here and alignment and if you're in a high alignment and low autonomy where nothing gets done, people talk about what and why and how do we do things a little too much. And so the other way is where you've got a lot of autonomy and so everybody's doing their thing and then you end up with an end product that doesn't work altogether. So everybody's working on their own. They're trying to be autonomous. They're trying to be agile and then you look at the end product and it doesn't work. So how do you find that sweet spot? You really have to, you know, across the organization agree on the what and the why and then somehow quickly align on the how and let the teams figure out how to get there, you know, to succeed at the end goal. So we've actually came up with this model that we think is a good implementation of agile across the enterprise and at the center of it is this, you know, cloud integration as crumb that's composed of different teams from, well, different people from different organization and it's a multi-disciplinary team that, you know, we've talked about and I'll let Fred talk a little bit about this. Yeah, thank you, Ronnie. So, you know what, first of all, I want to say, you know, part of getting this whole enterprise agile is of course bringing in these disparate elements that we had mentioned of being the enterprise, the tenant applications, the IT infrastructure group as an example and how do you basically bring them in so there's not the stove pipes and walls? So what we've concluded and what we're recommending is something we call a cloud integration scrum. So you can kind of view that cloud integration scrum as a kind of a scrum of scrums, but I want to be very clear, this is not a PMO, a bunch of managers, these are at the very least, they're like technical PMs that can come in and be responsible, okay, to basically make sure that all of these elements that need to technically come together can come together and that when we do our deployments, we actually don't end up with, frankly, a big sort of integrated mess. And once again, it's really about having a kind of working and IDing the technical integration points. And so we would conclude the mission of this group, the vision would really be to deliver a flawless integration.  And so, and you will miss some, these are very, very complex systems and so forth. However, the role here of this cloud integration scrum would be to try to mitigate that. At the end of the day, we really want the entire organization to transform from sort of very agile, maybe in the software development area, but way less than agile, maybe in the enterprise or the IT infrastructure. We really want them all to become more agile. I don't know that they'll ever become, as agile as the software development, just because some of the physical realities are different, but that's why you'll see IT ops, network engineering so far. They're shown as light blue there that we think by having at least participation up front in a cloud integration scrum, and then those people having the authority to go back into their organizations and start speeding up the process there will definitely improve the agility of the overall system. So that's sort of a recommendation of a model. I can tell you a funny story and a very large cloud development and deployment project that Ronnie and I were both part of over the last year. We didn't have a cloud integration scrum and the PMO, and I'm not trying to bash PMO, I still think it has its place, but the overall program management tried to take that role and what happened when we got near and into the actual deployment, rather than having an eight or 10 person cloud integration scrum, we ended up having daily two, three hour meetings with 40, 50, 60 people from all the disparate elements of the organization. So it can be a very, very big problem if you don't get ahead of the power curve. So with the context of this model, like to turn it back to Ronnie and he'll go through a couple of examples of how we can use this model to attack a couple of different areas relative to the overall deployment of a cloud system. Right, thanks. So we talked about challenges, real case study challenges. We talked about the model and now we're gonna explore a little bit more details into how that model fits into deployments, into production supported areas. So in the area of deployment, you've got your typical SI challenge, which is the big bank style deployment. And in order to mitigate this using Agile, we can use continuous systems integration. Another challenge would be the tenants deadline, right? So these businesses have a lot of deadlines and scope requirements. So one way to mitigate this is to have a prioritized backlog and deliver the highest values first. Another challenge is geographically dispersed vendors and they're operating under different contracts and that's a typical thing in SI. So how do you deal with that? So you actually structure your contracts in order to align all your vendors, whether it's storage, networking, or whatever vendors under contracts that have common integration goals, right? In a common integration environment so that the end product actually works. And finally, from a deployment's perspective, you've got internal conflicts between different organizations within the enterprise. So really you have to nurture the enterprise with this Agile culture in order to improve on the delivery and the productivity. So in the model, we've got production support and upgrades and that's a typical, I guess, aspect that you have to deal with. And the model here is kind of traditional, kind of not. So you've got your NUC Network Operations Center, which is the first line. And this is for a production support case and that first line goes to DevOps organization and that DevOps organization is responsible for fixing that problem that was reported by the first line. And so if the DevOps organization cannot fix that problem, you go to a third line support where you actually have more technical teams, depending on what the issue at hand is, that request gets diverted to someone in the third line. From a production upgrades perspective, you need to upgrade your cloud. And so the way it works is that DevOps organization will actually be responsible for this upgrade. And at the center of this upgrade is the continuous integration practice that will actually help you be more productive and achieve the upgrade faster. And if things go wrong, you can always refer to the third line. So I wanna mention, so we talked about the model, we talked about the areas of deployment support. I wanna mention another framework out there and a few specific strategies, a little bit more detailed over here. So this is one model that's kinda similar. It's a model that's out there called the Safe Framework. It's about scaling agile within the enterprise. And it offers a detailed approach about how to scale agile across the enterprise. So you see there's programs at the bottom here and there's a middle section that's missing, which is the value streams and there's a portfolio. So portfolio is made of different value streams. A value stream is made of different programs. And you've got your release train engineer and product management architecture kinda working together. There's a lot of teams working in different scrum teams. There's also the business owners, et cetera. And this framework has its own features like for example, pipe planning, which is a common practice. And pipe planning happens every four to five, let's say sprints. And what happens is it's got a very standardized agenda. So all the teams that are involved meet, right? Across the enterprise. And they have a two day agenda that's very defined and it clearly outlines the enterprise business vision and also the architecture vision and also some other content there. So this is one example. Other approaches to increase agility across the enterprise. For example, in the development teams, something called peer programming. You've got these two little kids they're doing something called peer repair programming where one person types the code and the other person is actually reviewing each line of code as it is typed. So this is in the development area specifically, one of the strategies. The other thing is in the infrastructure, right? So your infrastructure, you wanna make sure if you're deploying a private cloud in OpenStack that you do proper capacity planning. So this is key. You don't wanna be landlocked in a data center where you're trying to scale out your cloud and then you end up with no available physical space. So this is definitely key to your cloud deployment. And here I just wanna finish this by talking about the hyperscaler HDS-8000. On my last point here, you wanna make sure your infrastructure scales really well. And so this hardware what it provides, it's a disaggregated hardware approach where you're not contained to boxes, right? So what you can do is add more memory, add more CPU, add more storage. So it's on demand, memory storage and CPU. And you can expand this as you go really. So the traditional architecture is revamped really here. There's no need to separate the different servers and tours and complicate your infrastructure. So you can really simplify it and scale it out nicely. And the other thing about this is it's got a full optical backplane. So 100 plus gigabit per second speeds that actually helps with futuristic bandwidth demand that we've got. And it's definitely, it's got a lot of positive impact on energy and power utilization and energy utilization in general. So you wanna bring those down as much as possible. So with this, I'm just gonna... Sure, well thank you Frani. So basically the call here is to let's get agile across once again, the entire ecosystem. This is gonna be so important if enterprise private clouds with OpenStack are gonna succeed in really fulfilling the promise not only of a virtualized cloud environment but also at the speed that this expanding community is driving this marvelous technology. You know, years ago, I worked in sort of high tech space, satellite programs, launching rockets, very complex technology. And I can guarantee you that the OpenStack software of today is every bit as complex as a Saturn V rocket. I mean, it's really amazing stuff and we're pushing more and more and more of that out into the field. But if, so the community's really gotta get kind of on board with this rapid sort of increase to take these private clouds into production at the type of monstrous scale that we're talking about. And if we want to let our tenants who are actually the ones ultimately paying for these clouds experience the benefits of all the new technology innovation, the entire enterprise is gonna have to get itself much more agile than it is. And so our call to action for the community is it's more than just the code. The code is core and it's very, very important but having methods as we described that are being pushed I think and helped develop by the OpenStack community is going to benefit our overall deployment and scale up of OpenStack out there in the industry. So that's our appeal to the community and I think it's going to all serve us well in the days and the years to come to really scale up the overall OpenStack cloud. So with that, Ronnie and I will take any questions that the audience may have. I'm curious if you have any recommendations on method or process as far as transitioning an IT operations team that is typically working in a highly interrupt driven environment to make them more agile. Okay, well, so I mean it's a tough question for sure but essentially the culture is starting with the development teams and it expands into other teams. So I think part of it is actually trying to figure out what the best structure of your IT operations is. The other part is once one part of the train gets moving in a certain way, it kind of affects the other pieces as well. So once you have this release cycle, so eventually it's going to be contagious. So the organizations are going to try to figure out how do I actually make myself agile as well. So specifically it really depends on what the scope of this IT operations is. How do they work? What are the things that we can improve? And really how that, I guess trend moves from just the dev teams into the other organization. So I would add on that I think sort of in true agile type fashion that I would also say it's part of the team's responsibility to start, they know their business best but what we found is, you know what, there's really kind of two types of problems right there is there's issues that maybe with other parts of the system that an IT support group can go ahead and start troubleshooting problems or whatever but there's also issues that need to go right back into the development teams. And so I think what we found is there actually needs to be two streams. One going back into the actual development scrums itself so get them out of the tier level three, level four support back to the people that can fix them. But overall I would actually ask that the groups involved start looking at their business in a new way how they can actually optimize themselves into this model. And it's difficult. It's a cultural change just like was explained this morning and frankly as big of a challenge is bringing OpenStack to the point that it is today has been I think literally overcoming this cultural challenge is as big or bigger of a problem or a challenge let's put it that way today but I've seen signs that we can get there. So one of the specific examples we mentioned right so there's the cloud integration scrums got people from typical IT operations so they're gonna be there in these sprint cycles and they're gonna be making those decisions in an agile environment. The other example is the DevOps organization that we mentioned. So you've got some people from typical operations together with the dev teams working in a similar fashion. So this actually opens their eyes on what is what these agile methods look like because they're part of it, they're actually doing it. So and like I said, so I'll transfer over to the rest of the organizations and soon enough you'll get your organization moving in a much productive way. Are there any other questions? A few slides ago you mentioned something that you do every four to five sprints. I forget what you called it but you said it was a two-day meeting. Right. I was wondering if you could just elaborate on that. Yeah, this is one of the frameworks that's out there, it's called the SAFE framework. This is called pipe planning. So it's a two-day meeting with a very standardized agenda and the goal is really alignment. So we talked about alignment and autonomy first. The goal is really to align the enterprise. You've got value streams, you've got programs and so different teams, because agile works in small teams. So different teams need to be aligned. So this is one way to get them all on the same page and you have a two-day with telepresence usually and if people cannot be co-located, they can use whatever other means to do that and they can align the enterprise on the business vision from also an architecture perspective. So the business vision, the architecture, why we're doing this, what exactly we're doing for the next two months and then people in different teams understand the roles and how they can actually together build the full picture and complete the puzzle. Any other questions? I just wanted to say that was a great presentation. You guys have obviously lived through a lot of this stuff as we've seen. If you had to narrow it down and this kind of is a continuation of an earlier question, is there one thing going into an organization that you think is maybe the main driver you'd want to emphasize? I know you've talked about the safe and the, I forgot what it was that the... The vibrations from? Yeah, yeah. Anything going into an organization where you have these siloed mentalities and all that, if you were starting one brand new, what would be like the key takeaway you might want to deliver on where you would start this for that? Sure, so I would kind of go back to our cloud integration scrum model. I think the number one thing is to don't just do an agile development for your software and expect that the rest of the organization and contributors to that cloud are just going to naturally go across. When Ronnie and I were working through a major deployment, frankly, of a new highly sophisticated open-stack cloud system over the last year, there were other elements of the organization that didn't even know what was going on. It was all new to them. So I would propose in my thought that probably a key I would suggest is get a cloud integration scrum together, identify every single organization that technically has to contribute, technically or procedurally has to contribute to this cloud actually coming together, software, hardware infrastructure, site infrastructure and your tenant applications and bring key representatives back in it. So that would be one thing. And then the second is to then, through the governance and PMO, empower that organization or that group to work in an agile way within the development process. But when they go back to their home organizations and say, okay, we're gonna need to restructure things this way within our infrastructure, empower them to help bring the whole organization into a more agile way. But I think it really comes down to getting that right group of people together. I think it's a great question. Yeah, one of it is definitely the group of people together and the competence. But I also think that if you're trying to start from scratch, if you bring people together with, first of all, you don't want large teams if you're doing agile, right? So you want small teams with specific goals and the specific value they're delivering. I think that's key. So if you actually figure out what your value is, the one that you're trying to deliver and size your teams accordingly and give them their missions respectively. And this is how you actually transfer the culture into an agile culture. And that would help us achieve the goal, hopefully. Great, any other questions? You guys have been a wonderful audience. It's been a long day. A full day. Thank you very much.


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