Hocani, wa The other person is reacting to what and where are we as a country? What is happening as we are still fighting COVID-19? We have other things that are moving and of course you need to know what they mean. I am speaking to Sayas Alitsu, he is a political analyser, we will be speaking to Situ Beatriz Kairu Health Economist, she will be joining us much later in this broadcast. But for now we begin with the interview of what is happening to governors And of course, we are talking about Anwai Guru, governor for Kiri Nyagashia has been impeached by the MCs back home. Now, she lies in the masses of the Senate, what will happen, come tomorrow and of course, days later, keep it Y-254. Send us your comments or questions to all our social media platforms, Y-254 channel on Facebook and Instagram and at Y-254 channel on Twitter. My name is Adereva Hilawea, good morning and welcome. How are you Cyrus? I'm very fine. I'm just a cousin and they let me move. So I took on 94 and now I have corona. Now I have quarantine. Number is in a panda. 3,594. So I lost in a panda and like 100 keshwek na pungu on a skat to call 90 something. There's no specific trend. There's no specific trend. And what you are just saying is that let's wait and see. That's the only thing I can say. I cannot say these or that. Don't even think I can say let's wait and see. But wait and see because now this is Kenya and this COVID-19 issues are happening everywhere. Abroad we have all manner of stories. We don't know who to believe. We don't know what to say. But anyway, we keep looking. I was watching Dr. Simadi on Fox news. So they're also not sure about the whole thing. Especially when it comes to this asymptomatic and symptomatic. So there's no one so sure. And I still go back and I support Mungu Fuli on what he said. And I rest my case so I don't talk much but I support Mungu Fuli on what he said. There's a thing I'm trying to remember. It's in Kikuyu and it is written. If you ever came across the book called The River Between. The Wine Skin of Something. Last week we saw what happened to Governor Anway Gura. And by the way there are rumors that Governor Salim Vury of Kuala. They say he's planning to impeach him. And the residents are like no no no no no no no. What you want to do is politics of 2022. Focus on the interest we put you there and those are our interests. So Anway Gura was impeached and now she says the sole intent is to bully her and achieve in the far eastern personal political objectives. Is this so? First of all when you talk of bullying. I don't know how the context of bullying comes in when somebody has misappropriated the funds of the county. You see first of all the evolution was meant to go to the people as I've always said. And evolution is meant to improve the lives of the common man on the ground. But you see the people we entrust to leadership as governors. They have turned out to be they want to squander and eat it on the on the and have it for them but not for the people. Because I've always said if each and every county can focus on development then this country will be very far. Because when you look at the MC we have MCS in each and every word. And if development is centered towards these words. Real development. Then this country will be very far. But the problem is we elect thieves and not leaders. Because we believe when we elect them they are going to do better. Or we elect them because of psychofancy. We elect them because of maybe is our unperson. We elect people not on ideology. But on very different platforms. And you see these has always been a problem and I've always said and I will continue saying if the political parties act will step up its mandate. Let's have good leaders from the party. Let each and every party give the common monainchi a leader. Because one people tend to believe in political parties. The vehicles. There's a person who believes apart from an individual this person believes in a political party. That I believe in jubili. I believe in ODM. I believe in this party. So whatever the party will give me is what I'll go by. Remember we had an issue in 2015 about the Waiguru and Nwaesaga. And there's also laughs in things to do with judiciary and the DPP and the ECC. And you see these are the same offices that came out to say Waiguru is free. Okay. I believe if she was free then she could have used this opportunity to demonstrate that she had nothing to do with Nwaesaga. Not only a ESE. But let us demonstrate. I have been given this opportunity to serve the people of Krenyaga. Right. I have to demonstrate that I'm not corrupt. I'm not a thief. I'm not a person who they thought I am. I am a development-oriented person. And these are the development that I have in place. And this is the time that I have to do this thing. But the MCEs are saying that she has been undermining them. And one of the issues it has been quoted. There's a busri fee that was 70 million. She cut that to around 20 million. And of course there's another issue where she refused to agree or she rejected the proposal of Kiti for something development which was illegal. And so they feel like they were punishing her. They think they were punishing her. They wanted her to know of course who they are now. Thank you. You see and that's why I've said when I started when we focus on what the role of the counties are supposed to be then development in this country will be at a higher level because when you talk of busris it touches education. When you see when these busris are well distributed to these people the way it is supposed to be distributed as per the counties the way they are as per their allocation. Okay. Then believe me or not there'll be development in the schools. Okay. So we lack development in the school because of lack of the finances. Finances from the busris. Finances from even because nowadays parents are not contributing so much in education when it comes to paying the school fees. Unlike when some of us were in school we our parents played a very big role in ensuring that school fees is paid in full amount from primary school to high school even to university. So we cannot compare today and the yester years. It's a very big difference. So you see like right now the responsibility of constructing a school is paid on the government which is a very big burden to some extent. Unlike when we were in primary school some days when we were in the village when a school or a class was to be constructed we were asked to carry a brick when we go home lunch time when we're going back to school we need to go to school with a brick. This brick is going to be used it's going to be used to construct a school or a classroom. Okay. You see this is now a community service. Okay. Unlike today there's no way you can tell me a pupil will carry a brick to school for a classroom construction. Things have changed. Things have changed and you see when devolution came in place we are looking at how we are going to benefit our people at Masinani. So when this when governor has been accused of all these things we need to look into it first and when she goes before the senate the senate who is the defender of the devolution should first of all look and ask how are these things affecting the muanainchi the accusations that have been tabled on her how they are affecting the muanainchi before they look at her on an individual basis before they say she's a woman she's all been discriminated no how many women have you seen being tortured but no one has talked how many women have you seen being demoted but no one has talked how many women have we seen in this society okay being dehumanized but no one has issued even a ministerial statement the way the professor Margaret Kobia did no one and they are and who's told you that if waiguru will be impeached okay there'll be no any other woman's success who will come to to succeed yes i understand as per the the county the county things when the governor is impeached or or so and so then the deputy governor takes over now it comes in the deputy governor is a man who will take over from the the waiguru fine we don't dispute that okay but the thing is this there was a very fair competition to the people of Krenyaga we had mother Karua and we had Anne Waiguru right okay so these are women who are competing and you see they were very popular then even a man who was competing for that ministerial position in that county actually on the same vein if this i had this question and i didn't know how to respond to it if waiguru is impeached by the senate yes completely even in the high court if you have to move to all those levels now the deputy governor will become the governor that's what happened in kiambo an example now with kiambo yes governor in euro yes is he on his first term no he's not in his first term why am i saying so he was the deputy they were elected together so he's not even in his first term so he can run again or 2022 he can run again fine okay he's just the only difference is is now the governor okay from the previous he was the deputy governor you see so this is a governor he is still under the the governorship the leadership of the county right so he is not somebody who was picked from outside and brought no so if somebody was in the system he knows the system very well all right so he is just a continuation of the previous system now when another term will come he's still run as a governor there's no there's nothing basing from run because he was a deputy all right back to Kirinaga there are there are all manner of accusations including investment of funds of rich i don't know whether it was there at the county level we haven't heard of the DCA and the the EACC but now she has been left at the masses of the Senate where we have problems people are saying we can't have a select selected number of few members we've heard of the 11 committee to do it they need the full house the full house they wait for it now do you think when it goes through the full house she will survive I can it's a 50-50 thing I can say it's a 50 she can survive or she can survive there was one what I've seen from the papers the ODIM Senators are saying the support they support Waiguru okay now the challenge is will she have an easy ride in Krenyaga after she has been supported already instated as a governor of Krenyaga because now the people of Krenyaga the senator all the MPs and the MCS agnes even the people on the ground are not for her will she survive will she have an easy ride will she have an easy time to rule the people how will she feel inside herself you know at times let us question ourselves how am I going to feel I've been rejected by my own people yes I've been saved here but my own people have rejected me so what else am I going to have a free time but remember they have their own interest doesn't matter whether you like me or you don't yes they have their own interest and you see that's where I come and say there's a question you asked me about the EACC and the DCI on investigation I've always said let us hold our leaders into accountable okay because if we do then we are doing the right thing for ourselves but if we sit down waiting for EACC and DCI to come my friend is just a watchdog that is at the national level okay that is just supposed to work out because there's no way a police can come and arrest me without somebody complaining true okay so somebody has to complain then the police will come and arrest me okay that's how it goes so there's no way a police will come to arrest me when there's no complain okay so that's how things go so let the people the people of Krenyaga have said we don't want this leadership because of these and these and these and these let us hear and unto them let us listen and to them because not the first time they are crying they have cried for a long time okay so let us see how will it be okay how is it going how is she going to be saved remember when Titu was ousted and not because he's a bad guy not because he was corrupt but because he was on the other side of the coin so do you think what was happening to her where Guru is on the opposite side of the coin where Titu was let us see how things will be then this one and you see this one this one now defines defines will actually define what BBI is speaking of which she's a strong vocal point when it comes to BBI and she has been seen on that particular side of the BBI and of course there has been a question of the tangatangan kelewek when it comes to the select committee members who will this be it has been said it will be so and so it will not be these and that what will happen if she's ousted and yet she was on the BBI campaign she can still remain there you see we've seen many politicians who are not elected okay who didn't make it to parliament or to senator to whatever position they were fighting for but they are still relevant on the BBI thing or on whatever platform they are it's a matter of how you create yourself and that's how people will buy you so that one cannot buy her from being a vocal point or being a point person in that area she can still remain to be a vocal person but the thing is they mandate the people entrusted you with you failed to execute then you don't want to in this position maybe you want to in this other position maybe you can work there you can beka you can shout you can dance you can or say queen there fine go and do it there but here this is what you want and these are two different platforms okay so we should learn to differentiate so the back stops with the people let the people become accountable to their leaders let leaders become accountable to the people okay let us question our leaders and when we start questioning our leaders one we are accessing our constituent mandate which is very right okay because power belongs to the people and when people decide then that's what it is all right uh thank you bitis for joining us we began early before you came in and we actually began with the matters happening with weigoro the county government of Kirinaga impeached her and now she is under the masses of the senate and earlier on we had talked of the allegations that there's the embarrassment of fans it is being said she has been undermining the mca's and of course now there are reasons she's saying it is just that they want to bully her she has defended herself and of course she will be now moving to the senate to explain her case and now you have just found us where we are talking about the bbi where she has been one of the people on the reggae so what will happen to the people of Kirinaga if she's hosted completely will she continue with the bbi thing and will they save her just because of the bbi yes oh it's very interesting because even the kind of discussion now that is going on it's like women leadership is being attacked and it's because she's only among the three women who actually were voted for in there in the 2017 elections so now the story is now changing that is an attack of women leadership but the question I always pose is that even we can have bad women leaders just because you're a woman it's not automatically become a good leader so that thing should sink in people's mentality so that even when they're saying to that rule but leadership is leadership irrespective of any gender so we need to first of all and focus because you're seeing people from the ODM side they're now saying oh wongoziwa mama to wangali wongoziwa mama now we're asking so if you're a bad woman leader what happens? shouldn't you also be subjected to how other male leaders are being subjected but when you look at it most likely my prediction is that this weygoro will actually be what is it called? sanitized and somehow she will eventually get off the hook or into the fact that also Kenya is going to be it's also a main focal point or focus by international organization it comes to women leadership so to some extent she still has some sort of advantage unlike Ferdinand Waitito on the other hand as much as there is BBI and Rege that has to be signed you see at the end of the day I don't see BBI holding so much water because Kenyans now are tired but they want authentic leadership and that is the focus also point of caution is that we also know that MCS can be very malicious you know someone can come and say you're embezzled but when you ask the same people give proof it's like every newspaper for a certain period of time they were just saying Ruto has embezzled fads every time now this time round there's no Ruto so now the media is not at least quiet and they don't want to really focus on it so when it comes to even MC also it's a point of caution because sometimes you can be a good leader and because people don't want your kind of leadership they may try and cook up stories or come up with papers no documents have always fled from right and say if people want to what is it called when people want to set you up they can literally set you up if they want to look for something to set you up they can literally look for something to set up so also I think it's a high time even with the constitution if you have a good leader somebody like Kivuda Kibwana we remember in around 20 that he had issues with his MCS but yet he's a very performing governor right so they would go and say we are going to impeach him then you ask why would you want to impeach this governor and they'll come up with stories stories stories now the next time when he invited went for the 2017 election all the MCS that wanted to impeach him the people of Makweni never voted them in because they're disturbing the governor so I'm not trying to say that she's maupekama pamba no that's not my question but it helps us to focus at large that when it comes to this impeachment cases what if you're a good leader and you don't ogawed with the sitting president or sitting power will the MCS be used as a tool every time to impeach such kind of data that's where the question is and as much as their courts and their court systems but we also need to how do we regulate this MCS also actually because that's my fear that's one of the question I really fear that when you find a leader who will not be singing the tune of everybody else who is cut who is cut cloth is different you will realize the same same MCS because how to allow to kule or anything we're going to impeach that's also what happened to the former governor of Nyeri what was his name Gaku Gaku Gashagwa Dirito Gashagwa he was also a blogger because he's not allowing the MCS to eat when he creates budget and he tables it in the assembly they are like no we are not going to allow we are going to impeach those are the threats MCS will always tell we are going to impeach you we are going to impeach you so I think we also need to look at what is what is going behind the scenes what is that should the constitution be amended no where the MCS will have no power to impeach the governor because they don't understand that's not what you are saying no that's not what you are saying from what she just said and what I've just picked there is we are fighting to have another constitution or a constitution amendment okay and yet the constitution we have and you see this thing I've always also mentioned many times they see I see that the constitution implementant committee that was established sometimes back did not do it mandate fully then they handed over the rules to the parliament and you see a parliament is just now there is not a parliament that we knew days ago no parliament has just become like a rubber stump of authority from somewhere and it forgets it has its own authority even to sanction whomever is in power that's what the parliament forgets now there is chapter 6 of the constitution ethics and integrity this chapter 6 of the constitution has not been followed the latter okay it has been fully ignored especially when it comes to election remember the same same person we are talking about right now madame waiguru is the same same person we talked about of NYS candles in 2015 when she was cleared okay by the EACC yeah that's what I'm saying the EACC the chapter 6 of the and remember I started when I'm saying the problem we have the EACC the DCA and the DPP all this institution if they can stick and look sit down and look into chapter 6 clearly we shall have good leader because before a person is cleared by IBC this person is cleared by EACC okay for corruption or whatever and allegations this person has to be cleared so if chapter 6 is well followed then we shall have leaders with integrity but if it is not if the institution are just sleeping they are just waiting for authorization from somewhere they are not independent then we shall have what we have right now I cannot say the MCA's are wrong the MCA's are just following their constitutional mandate they are supposed to do oversight it is their role okay but when it comes to them manipulating the governor okay in the case of in most instances for Makweni I can say and I even remember Kibuta Kibwana even went and said we can let this county be dissolved he was ready okay let it be dissolved you are saying that I've done this you see these are persons who comes out and say okay you see they have done it fine let us dissolve the county we instead of having all these fights let us dissolve the county okay that's how our leader is you come out clearly you don't run to the president you don't run due to who for sanitization or for whatever to seek mercy no sit with your people talk if you don't agree then look for another solution that's what Nani did also this governor for is called Samboja Samboja had issues with the MCAs I remember they had a meeting even with the village even the people of the county they sat down they tried to talk it was not coming out the solution was not coming out he later said fine let us go to the president dissolve this county that's what he said and I remember the president said there's no need to do dissolve the county they need to talk and talk until they agree because we are not coming into a solution okay so when you put your interest first is when you will run to the authorities higher than you to seek or to conflage but when you know you've not done wrong you will sit down to seek for mediation with the leaders in that county okay and remember it is not you cannot say that this person is just being fought now and you see look at the scenario even in Kiyambu look at it how it was even the people of Kiyambu were crying okay they were crying this person is doing this and this and this to us so why can't you do everything just to finish up with the way Guru Mata yes enemies have turned friends friends I mean they have been allegations that she has met the ODIM leader Ray Lodinga and it has actually a way of lobbying lobbying the parliament to sustain her listen it listen it to sustain her now do you think it was true or if it wasn't do you think they still have to save her the ODIM the ODIM will save her you had what units I think there was a video that was going down what he was saying he was so comfortable saying and I gave you the aspect where they are the angle now that he's shifting it's now women being fought in leadership so the angle has shifted from Uegoro embezzering fans now the shift is now you know how politicians perception is everything so now the shift is women being fought in leadership and that's why I keep on posing a question irrespective of your gender a bad leader is a bad leader you can't say because you're a woman you have good leadership automatically and you can't say because you're a man you're already a leader automatically it's not because then we have men who are not leaders at all and we have women who are leaders that dynamic you don't demonize a woman who has leadership capabilities and neither do you demonize a man who doesn't rise to the occasion to be a leader right so now the focus is now shifting and even there was I think it was there's this lady who wrote a letter about what's her name the minister already said this is an attack on women leadership and I was I posed and asked myself so if you have a corrupt woman leader does it mean they should be set free because they are women you know we need to move from that notion even that to that rule in parliament for me I was not for it because you don't become a leader out for the business of being a woman no you become a leader because of what you stand for where you are leading people irrespective so there is no point of creating positions just to ensure there is a balance all in the name of a gender balance full it's actually really it doesn't make sense so already because Weigoro has been very instrumental you've seen her meeting with Baba Priya in meetings even during this corona era the meeting somewhere she looks at the forefront and everything when you think about it already then a certain agreement or rapport because remember this is politics you would have put a woman back where you know it's going to benefit you so because she's key and instrument remember the other key person in Kerenyaga is now Madakarohu is trying to come up and the Grichi woman who is in the women in Kerenyaga county who has been giving actually Weigoro a lot of headache because of now the popularity she's getting in there and then remember when it comes to psychology of women and politics women fight each other you know men can sit and think logically and agree but women have a way of taking each other down because of I don't know whether it's instinctive or the sixth sense or not trusting each other there's something interesting because I shall say women are many in this country and yet in 1997 they could not vote for woman president they could not come together so that is in play so Madakarohu is now rising up and trying to talk about the government and what is going wrong remember now even Nauraila is a bit afraid because you see now Madakarohu being a lawyer in constitution matters she's trying to enlighten her own people in Kerenyaga so you see they're feeling that foothold is actually going to be snatched under their feet so when you have now that sense of fear they decide no William Ruto most likely will have more strength because most likely Madakarohu will definitely lean on the Ruto side and then when you combine the effort without the reach now it becomes another headache for the president and then mind you the governor for Kambu current Nyoro they were rumors has it I don't want to say I was there but rumor has it he was there escorting Uegoro to see Baba that tells you who was the cause of where it was downfall from the war because so the deputies have a hand in this exactly so they are trying to sabotage the whole constitution rights for Kenyans where they vote for their leader they want to shift the mentality to whereby a group of people can sit on a round table and decide who is to lead you can't lead a nation a divine country like Kenya like that you can't because who say this country belongs to specific people no I think right now Kenyans we're in a transition we need to break down our shackles we need to let down our chains and move to freedom because right now I feel it's like we're coming out of Egypt now we're in the wilderness where we are fighting Kana na tujaifika we have never reached Kana really should not lie to us that we have reached Kana we have never reached Kana so it's a tug of war it's a war between breaking off the chains of colonialism because remember most of the people in leadership were sons of senior chiefs these are the same people colonial collaborators and still the lowans who are leading us are kidding exati no not even the denaz even simple appointees like in the ministry of like Dr. Amod you look down the lineage his father was a senior somebody somewhere senior all those we need a child of a nobody a child of a nobody rising also to power and we can sit down and say finally democracy has been held so let's not have keep on shouting about fake democracy there is not democracy is not yet there yet so since Kenyans were in that transitions of where we are trying to to define our own path without this senior colonials generations having a hand in us now we have to break free for us to enter Kana right now we are in the wilderness to be honest we are all in the wilderness looking for moses to take us to Kana you have talked of an arrangement agreement between and you have mentioned the men can sit together and talk and focus on something we have rumors where Dr. William Ruto met with Hon. Musalia Musalia refuted the claims and said no I didn't actually he is saying he has no time with his competitors and for all he knows deputy president and Hon. Borrela will be on the ballot so he hasn't met any one of them so Sairas can you see an arrangement of both how will the pact be I can envision the arrangement of the both without any dispute because looking at the chronology of events there they have been you see MPs allied to Ghibili on Ruto side from the western region have been meeting with Dabadi and Ruto at the same time so there is something that is cooking that is yet to come out so we are still looking into it and you see another thing is that you see politics is all about you fight for your space you see at times you see the western people to some extent have been so much on Odinga supporting Odinga so much so this time they have felt like no we are tired of supporting this mzei all the time change that is now need just to change there is another thing that is speaking out because if you go on the if you go on the ground people are speaking different things have been trying to talk to people from Masinani they are speaking different things they are tired of supporting someone who is not even ready to support someone else someone who is just it is just me and not someone else if it is not me then it can't be you see so they are tired from that notion so you see that's why you see people are are roaming up in different ways what people are doing in western Kenya and I can say this for free is just they are getting out from the Odinga thing that's what they are doing all right that one I can tell you for free that's that's what people are just fighting to get out from and if they get out from that and you see and the host of Oetangula also raises or brings memories where Oetangula won the Odinga still today Oetangula won the Odinga in 2017 2016 that they want to be an ODMMP in Bungoma and I can tell you if you go to Bungoma there's no ODMMP at all we have only few MCS like four or five MCS okay they just needed a vehicle he meant he meant his words and you see this is where now Odinga sits and look ah these these are stumbling block to my to my to my to my gold to my gold so I need to look on how to you see when when when it's now when it's when they say Mujinga kerevuka Murevu omashakan so this this is what is happening in Westerga and you'll see a lot of a lot of things changing so but to add to it you will notice right now as much as I hate taking a good tribalism it's a bad advice it's true it's good we all we we our tribes are not bad you being a Luya you being a Masai me being a Kiku it's not bad it enriches us as a country diversity is very good because it's trend trendens a nation but we must bear in mind as Kenyans right now what is going on behind the scenes is the same kind of tribalism is being trying to be pulled out and that's where Kenyans we really need to be on the watch out 2022 will be totally different than what we had in 20 that in even 2007 it's gonna be a little bit more harsh more harder more tricky so we have to be very very careful that this kind of tribalism is not pulled again but it's it's when you observe each and every time it's a it's a snake that wants to lift its head again but as Kenyans we must crash it because until we crash it and we burn it we need to be on the watch out so that it doesn't resurface again we have to do that why am I saying that every person right now is trying to woo the Luya Nation right look at Tatuoli he's from the Luya community look at Mosalia and Metangula and what is now actually literally happened everybody wants to woo the Luya Nation but now the Luya Nation is now waking up remember there quite a huge popular tribe in itself so everybody wants a portion of it and we saw it in the Kibira by elections so there's a reason why Ruto was going with Mariga even if he knows he's called and he didn't get testing the water yeah starting the water and trying to see can I be favorable with the Luya community can I be favorable so once you look at it that way everybody's trying to woo the Luya Nation what I can tell the Luya Nation they need to wake up and don't let the tribal card be played because once they detach themselves and then they become independent you see like there the Kikuyu Nation is independent the Kalijing Nation is independent though I don't like tribalism at all but if the Luya Nation now stands independent now they also have become a reckoning force because I think there was something going on social media this is a lady who was talking in the street like to me chokaku to mi o kama si su wa Luya to me chokakina times si sindio ati tunapatak makazin baya baya si sindio tooko behind the scenes which I don't disagree but I think we really need to fight as a nation that that tribal card is not pulled again out but the snake is the snake is rearing rearing its head we need to to fight it when you talk about tribalism there is one thing I remember 1992 when Mui was the appealing section 2 eh of multi party you see people were talking about multi party in the name of democracy yes democracy whereby the many parties whereby people have a right to choose whatever party or associate themselves with whatever party they will feel they are comfortable with so this 1992 Mui said this and you see this is what is happening to the foresolders and I can tell you anybody who has been on the forefront talking of democracy it does not mean well for the nation but it means well for himself and how he can put some tribes in the pocket and how he can run over some tribes so that he can become just a leader always and you see when you look at the pattern of formation apart from the jubini one in 2013 eh jubini was formed on a very different platform I can say there are only two people but let me let me you are repeating yes these were I cannot say they were tribes you see these were just but people came together but look at 207 I want let us go back at times it's good to speak reality yes I've been added in support of the other side but I know it's good to speak there you see look at 207 we heard Raila okay from the Nyanza region depend on we heard the Ruto from the Shivali yes we heard Musalia in the western region we heard Nyaga from the central region we heard Balala from the Kostu region these are five yes these are five regions five kinkpins okay Nyaga is not a kinkpin no I'm just looking at I'm bringing a case study I'm bringing a case study on what you just say there on tribalism yes and how democracy has been turned into tribalism and not the democracy itself so we have raped democracy with tribalism okay we now want to get a group of tribes a group of communities so that we can thrive but we are not selling the ideology to the people that are when I be elected I'll ensure this and this and this will happen is only one person I can say Kibaki would say I'll ensure this and this and this and he made sure that 75% of his manifesto was achieved but these others are not and you see at times there's what we used to call litimastest okay litimastest just tell us this is as it this is best okay you see from the little we can tell who is actually there because if I'm in the government and I have been allocated a budget and you see when I'm outside I say I fight corruption I talk of democracy in a bigger way then I should exercise it whatever I am okay and I should not use sensei because I don't have so much power that I needed the little power I have I can change something okay the little power it should suppose you used to make you let people trust you more and more unless not people not to trust you okay because what is happening right now people are now trying to lose trust with Vaila Odinga unlike before and things are changing but I want us to move with speed yeah just just you see for Vaila I should say he has pedaled fake democracy and why do I see he has pedaled fake democracy in his own ODIM party Kailun he's never democracy he's war ragals kama baba mesema and mesema now what kind of democracy is that I should say he pedaled fake democracy you remind me of Wanga the other day on Twitter she said Gladys Wanga yes the people in ODIM were there to dehumanize others I want to tell you if you continue with this trend okay I'll get out and go and support William it is on Twitter not even look they are now waking up even Juma Aisha Juma what happened to her she was in ODIM supported Baba but the moment you are not seeing in his tune his tune you know you know you know you know you know you know you have issues and everything so you know you know and then the other reason why I say he pedaled fake democracy look at the Nusun Kata government Rayla Amolo Dinga was in government he himself right but yet when he entered into government his focus was not for the people of Kenya to help the people of Kenya his focus was to oust Kibaki who most people used to call general Keguwaia no it was not that general Keguwaia Keguwaia means a fear of no no no no Kibaki in his own way he was very calculating so Rayla if he for sure truly is patriotic to this land and for sure he has very good thoughts for this country we would have had multiple development between 2007 to 2013 because there was more development between 2003 until 2002 but from 2013 there were a lot of blocks and a lot of problems there and out why the reason why they were slowing down so that they can demaketize PNU and demaketize the sitting president to the people so that the people can get angry you know we have known his tactics so that the people can get angry and they overturn the government but then God I shall say mi usema I always keep on saying this country is a country that belongs to God and any human being that decides I shall say the Kenyan people are the people of God why every time I walk around and I'm always reminded these are the people of God you cannot go mishandling them and then expecting things to go your way so their plans for oustimuwaikibaki didn't happen because now the 2010 constitution they thought they can use it remember he said I want a neutral IBC person as a cousin was put from the Muslim community from a very minority type so because he was aiming that come 2013 it will favor my aunt and remember WikiLeaks have now leaked that he had a memorandum over dasani with muslims leader something something they were to dehumanize Kalonzo Musioka and make sure he will impair what a man on thing so his political career now went the other way so when you think about it this is fake democracy because real democracy means he will nurture another political person from his home region in Nyanza Right now I should be seeing like ten types of raila more or more who are democratic and fighting but how come you are the only one any other lower leader who tries to raise you crash his head that is fake democracy so preach you should say preach whatever you preach make sure you follow it don't preach what and you are drinking wine yourself that kind of stuff fake democracy you say now there has been too much pressure on the DP people call it the system yes and now with the agreement according to the constitution he cannot be the DP again and now they are they are said to be arrangements with the Honorable Musalia but to finish on this matter all the veterans that are there now you have mentioned where they came from who is who we now need fresh blood who is that Cyrus the only thing I can say that one Toto is on the ballot that's one two reliable ballot and three Osum Davadis but he has been saying mimi siyuko don't worry about me even the other years used to say so so it's a common song that we are always ready to hear and Osum Davadil also be on the ballot so it is ask and I see the other four also will be in the ballot the problem is and what my sister is also talking about we are still we are still in the desert okay and for us to get out of the desert you see even when when the as well as when the desert no one knew about Joshua let me tell the truth if you read the if you read the because you are a good person from there no one knew about Joshua but he will just speak from nowhere no one knew about David the in the house of Jesse but he will speak from nowhere so the thing is this it is ask Kenyans okay who need to decide we have good leaders on the ballot paper why is it a mask I have to choose so and so and not so and so okay voting is a lot I have a choice to vote okay I have to make a right decision okay and the right decision stops with me so if I decide to get the right leader I'll get that the right leader I want if I decide to get a wrong leader I'll get the wrong leader choices have consequences and we have a chance to choose all of us on the election day okay so we know who is able to deliver and who is not able to deliver so we should run away from psychofansy because most Kenyans are psychofans we should run away from psychofansy if we want development we should run away from psychofansy okay let us have politics of ideology okay politics of development politics of accountability not politics of psychofansy okay so that is what is killing Kenya I believe who is our saviour who is our saviour to some extent Musalim Davadi although I made fun that that's people think he's a waiting president and I really laughed about it but when you think about it when you look at it critically you see out of the blues you cannot fix an inexperienced person you see you cannot just speak Hillary out of the blues and he has never in any leadership never exposed to anything because there's a danger with that you look at any great leader somehow they have worked the collidos of in one or another or in politics or in government or in policy so you don't expect you pick like there they pick together a man out of the blues giving social media attention and everything but you cannot manage the funds that he's getting you get you get where I'm coming from because power is toxic in itself and you're very intoxicating so whoever is voted in as a leader must be a seasoned person with experience that is on why Kibaki make a good president so far as we've analysed but he had worked the collidos of government he had been given dockets managed it and people could see what kind of a leader I don't know why I say Musali is because when you look at Musali and David in essence there is not that element of tribal then keep on preaching but the only thing maybe that Kenyans have not seen the leader in him he didn't go with gusto and oomf you see when you look at someone like William Ruto he has the gusto and the oomf of Alido and you look at Amor Odi there is the aura of leadership the oomf and the gusto there is so sometimes maybe Kenyans fear Musali and David must be a might end up being a weye weye kind of a president and be a push over because you see as much as Kibaki was acquired and had introverted kind of demeanor and like our president on the other end current president he had the intellect and ability and people had seen his record but you see now Musali on the other end he was born in power and you see Kibaki was not born in power his father was a nobody his mother was a nobody so but when you look at Musali he is like a sort of a prince in a quote and quote because he was born in so he has rubbed shoulders he and they are about politics he has been seasoned because he has been in the corridors of power but what is not convincing about him is that a leader must show strength gusto and oomf so that is what lacks from though his demeanor is very calm sober minded he is one person who is not coming out with the head of trebolism and like some leaders where you are worried if we don't give this guy this power they're gonna be they're gonna be chaos so but in the meantime I feel that this time round I think it's high time many Kenyans wherever they are if you feel you have the leadership capability come out to the open and I always tell someone there's a time we had a meeting with Dr. Kuru a quote I remember when we were a while back when we were starting that way alliance I told them we don't have to go to the main stream and we have no impact we can start small look at that village of yours what can you do can you dig up a hole start from there not for sure but prove to the people that you have leadership and you have people at heart you don't have to be the MP for you to do mega projects so if you are this is a challenge I pose to each and every Kenyan because a leader can come out you see David was busy tending his father's ship and he said in the wilderness I killed a bear and I killed a lion that means already he had learned the art of war already so by the time he is going to become king he's able to lead the army to battle because he experienced battle while in the wilderness we're raising his father's ship so you cannot assume to become a leader and you've not gone through the process of preparation Kenyans have to understand that choose a leader who has gone through the process of preparation if you've not gone through the process of preparation because you're someone side chick or you're someone's man handle you automatically get the leadership that is the wrong way to go and I think that's where Kenyans need to start assessing has this person gone through the rightful process of being a leader what can we say about healer yeah did he promote ascending and not out of shock even when people don't put cameras around you what kind of leadership things have you started what what what makes you a leader what have you begun for people to look and say actually in in every village where I come from bitches did one two three four five and helped one two three four five and during her time she was able to elevate one two three four five people from poverty to something true but most of these people you look for example someone like Rila you look back at his own village there's nothing good people can say about it yeah yeah there's nothing because you you begin from your own home and that's an issue I'll say even in the Bible for you even to become a bishop or a pastor you are told first put your house in because if your wife cannot respect you your children are aware what everywhere who can vote you as a leader of the people of God you can't so even the same leaders we should put the same issue and even in America before you are voted for as a president they ask are you married so how is your family you know that's how the American people vote because if you cannot manage your home how else can you manage a nation all right because that proves whether you have leadership capabilities charity begins at home exactly so we need to focus on that as Kenyans let's put Christians how do we assess that has this person gone due the due process but we look at men leaders and all your children are stepping on people everybody you see someone like Moteikagwe the next thing Kenyans did they went and searched who are his children and then there's so one of his son is a rapper nini nini then he's there like this is the guy who is letting us here look at his children you can because perceptual so you have to put your house in order even in african traditional setup for you to be the chief the community would look at you how do you organize your wives how do you have your wealth how are your children behaved then you would say if this guy has managed his five wives and his cattle and his sheep and his dirty children then this guy can actually be your leader but even your wife is aware what he's she's always sleeping around with everybody in the community village your kids are always abusing people all over people will be like if you can't control your own people we cannot vote for you we cannot authenticate you to be a leader but it's true when you look at it that way I think the basic character traits of an individual can only be assessed by where you come from true if I'm not respect if I don't honor my dad or my mother at home most likely or not I cannot honor any kind of leadership if that's the case let's move to something else we shift gears to what has been happening in the judiciary as we wind up on this now Honorable CJ has has come out to the public the second time to accuse the executive of subverting them and it has been an issue some of the lawyers are now coming up and saying what CJ has said it's the truth and we need some respect now between the executive Sayra's and the judiciary who is going to blink first because last year we saw what happened one as much as the judiciary has issues which is very right and as any other Kenyan has those issues the first blame is also the judiciary itself you see one when you decide just to dance the tune of the government any howly then be ready for a shock so that's what the judiciary did one judiciary overstepped its mandate any this is an this is an an office on its own okay now at presidential functions you want to be there in the villages to the presidents you want to be there you see now what you trying to do okay you need to be very clear stand for your people okay defend your people okay so the judiciary what did it dance with the executive on one of the other then after dancing with the executive it forgot its own mandate now it has just realized wow this is what you are supposed to do this is what we need but this is what we lack now that there the problem is so when it realizes the time it is too late okay now maraga is here to to retire but he has accomplished nothing apart from quashy and now nullifying the elections of 20 17 no no no it is true he has accomplished nothing the judiciary looking at what mutunga did and what maraga has done is nothing because mutunga actually was there also fighting for these people and showing that this judges get whatever they need to get all right but you see maraga is there is doing nothing just there you see this is a very big problem okay it goes back to what she has said you need to demonstrate leadership so he was picked as the president of the of the of the of the supreme court but he didn't demonstrate leadership so that's where failure started so it go down the books as the judge who nullify the presidential election of 20 17 of 20 17 but when you go the history of the judiciary nothing to relating but he has mentioned of our presidential events and I remember last year he was saying he is not given the cognition when he goes to these events and then I'm like there are seven commissions under the constitution and out of these is there every every head of those commissions like the IBC and the lands would go to every presidential event yeah and that's why I agree with Cyrus Kenya we need to kill a certain disease a disease of want you know there is there is a drug I call you want them appreciation presence it's it's very addictive it's very you want to be recognized I was with the president I was wherever I was doing one two three we were I am a higher profile because he's just crying wolf because someone has decided to snob it's like when you snob a lady and you're no longer interested in her she sat crying wolf you never take time with me and all that stuff so a chief justice justice maraga him he as I agree with Cyrus were dancing with the executive and he forgot who he is and there is nothing as terrible as once you mix with someone and then now you want to separate it becomes a very difficult thing altogether because this guy this guy is telling me I know everything about you so what what are you trying to come and it's like you being a female leader and you're a boss and maybe your assistant is a man the moment you engage in any sexual favor there is no income commanding him anymore because that respect has already gone so now what maraga is trying to fight for is the respect of the judiciary from the executive but he already traded it with the intermingling for future people who will be like maragan like in future they need to understand that once you get into such a position stick to your mandate don't don't cry to get the attention don't cry you don't teach justice in america moving everywhere we don't I'll stop now all their role and duty is to observe that justice is served rightfully because even in the 2017 nullification of elections people feel actually people's perception they feel that he colluded with raila molotinga that is a perception there is nothing as terrible as people having a sense all a perception all a feel that there is collusion be as clear as motugai was he was clear cut you not even sense any collusion you couldn't even feel as if he's colluding with any party so if they go like that if maraga had initially started like that like even the speaker what was his name the one who was there in the 2013 speaker eko eturu eko eturu eko eturu there was no in the 2007 one mariana mariana marinda people felt even if he was from ODM he was authentic he was doing his mandates you know trying to ensure he is as neutral as possible trying to deliver as much as possible for both sides though he came from one side so maraga all of us human beings we always have our favorite person with the one we want to side with but don't show it so openly don't show it so publicly that is what maraga should have done so unfortunately what i can say like said he just allows his term to end stop crying for but let it be a lesson to the next incoming one don't mix stick to your mandate stick to your rule don't show favoritism just stick to the rule of law and say this is the rule of law without favoring which side which side so long as you serve justice as it serve that is the time we'll get healing into the justice system because what will happen it will not trickle down to other sectors in the justice system even Kenyan seeking justice in the court of laws they'll know if the leadership is okay if the leadership is authentic then it can trickle down because people learn from their leaders so if already you're colluding with the executive what do you expect the other lawyers and other magistrati keeping it in they also colluding because hey if our leader is doing that then even as we can also do the same but if you become very authentic strict and this is the way of doing things you even challenge other people in your docket who are also following you and they'll be like if our boss is this strict even as let's follow the rule of law and then you start a new culture you kill the old culture that's the only way you kill the old culture and introduce a new culture that can now be passed on for one generation to another so he had the opportunity but he didn't use it yeah he didn't use it now the AG came out clearly and said in a statement that what CJ Maraga did was wrong there are laid levels and procedures of communication this is the second time is doing it to the public coming out to see what the president as in anashtaki the executive to the public yet there are some things I think they should be done in those do you think what CJ did was okay to come to the public and say what is happening to me I can say it was not okay was one looking at how he has conducted himself truly it was not okay from my hang of argument I still say it was not okay because it's something that he messed up himself okay so it is not okay to come and he could have just looked for a private moment or a private function or a function public function to go in with the president and sit down and tell me what happened what happened when he finished but not come because they have been dining together remember after nullifying the election 2017 the second ruling you saw how it was judges were missing no one is so you are on this side you don't know where you are you don't know your mandate you don't know your responsibility so you are controlled now how would you control yourself if you are controlled so it's something he could because he forgot judiciary is part of the government because there are three arms of government that's the legislator the executive and the judiciary so he forgot judiciary is an arm of government then he decided to dine and wine the way he decided to do so whatever he did is wrong and you see kihara was answering on behalf of the president because this is the age of the government okay it's part of the presidents in one way in one way or the other so and kihara is answerable to is what answerable to to chief judge to maraga is answerable to huru so he come out to defend huru in whatever way he will defend him so you cannot say kihara was wrong kihara was right on defending and telling him no you could even have come and sat down and discuss these things in other way that's what he was telling him the way we've been talking and discussing and dancing together you could just have come we sit down talk and see where we can help each other okay because it's a matter of helping each other yeah it's not a it's not a matter of executing your mandate it's a matter of us helping each other all right which is what you do make of that because the problem actually the whole problem was about the appointment and the approval of the 41 judges coming out to the public and reporting what is going on inside I think maraga is just suffering for what he did in 2017 it's that simple because remember when you you know leaders are very vengeful let me put it that way it's a personality of many leaders you they keep score they may tell you everything is clean and clear then they revisit they exactly we shall revisit every leader whether in your homestead level all that there's that characteristics of leaders they are like fine you did me like this they will shake hands for public show but behind the scene they will be like I will show you who I am you will you will cry whoof until you know you will know who I am so I think maraga is not about the appointment of the judges and that is just what is it called you shall say just that's the kruva ideas yeah that's the top of the iceberg just the top but deep down what is eating maraga is what happened in 2017 that is what is eating him and that he didn't use wisdom in 2017 he didn't because one to you the person you are fighting right now comes into power one to you you know most leaders it reaches to a point when their opponent raises to power they go to exhibit first because they know there is no way the incumbent will stretch their hand and tell you I know last time you you did one to three but we are friends again we know the 36 rules of war and even the fortate loss of power so sometimes you just want to fort that person completely so maraga is just suffering that though that was not supposed to be to be the case but we keep on stating that he should not have from the word go like Sarah said mixed with that mixed with the executive because that would have literally literally jopadest literally jopadest his legacy but finally as we finish on this the the lsk now want to us the age the age and the solar city general or because of all this what do you make of that yeah it's uh it's upon the jurisdiction they have a role to play you know the lsk is also a watchdog of the kumunumunainchi okay because the age the watchdog of the government lsk is a watchdog of the umunainchi so let them execute their mandate where they find the discrepancy let them come out and tell us the discrepancy then they execute their mandate it's fine you don't have an issue with it but the only thing you are saying the next cj should be independent should know that judiciary is an arm of government and it should execute his roles as an arm of government not as a subordinate it's not a subordinate no it's an arm of government and they are supposed to execute their roles they really are supposed to execute them and not being playing cut and mouse games with the government because this is what is ailing the judiciary at the moment yeah batteries lsk is a good organization because we need several of such to keep everybody in check you see just like the way in the healthcare sector the doctors have now came to you the nurses have their care and the farmers have their own organization it's very good why because they put the leaders in check because when leaders are not put in check they can be very abusive very true yeah power is very very very corrupt and it can corrupt total so what lsk is doing but they also have to show authenticity they have to be neutral they have to show you know most of this organization the only funny thing about it Cyrus is this you will find someone is very vocal in this lsk for example very vocal like Kavi we have in him very vocal speaking big talking big and doing all that only for his aim is for him to woo himself into governments into power we saw it with the doctors camped you they come in find the government then they are leader who is uh once he has fought for him he has become well known and every the next thing is in bed again with the same government he was fighting yeah so that's that's a trend we have seen with these organizations so lsk i would want them and say if you are fighting for the rights of the Kenyan people fight for the rights of the Kenyan people fight to ensure that the jishiri the justice system in the country is in check without favor without trying to look you are leaning on one end don't let Kenyan feel now because you want because I think Kavi was saying which they should not even talking about the impeachment of the president you see you don't go talking like that actually what you should have said no we feel the presidency is not being one two three four five this is the way it's supposed to be one two three four five we feel the deputy president is overriding his mandate because of one two three you become like a light bear you become like a guidance because sometimes you most of these leaders in this professional organizations they look at it they are activists protesting fighting fighting for the gun only they are trying to get favor with the public in due season or in due time they have a motive interests so the motive should be purely to check to check the leadership that's their command even when the chief justice is out of hand and in this case should come boldly and say chief justice you should have done one two three four five you should have done five six and seven this is the way to go giving direction and they leave it at that but the moment they start seeing as if they are learning leaning on one end leaning on the other end then it beats no logic why you are even in such a position case in point is the court to lead at one look at him right now people people feel it's corona time workers are being laid off the salaries are being what is he doing about it so he's busy organizing how the to outstwa tangula not even to focus about the western leadership western leadership instead of focusing on what really matters so what you can now for see about at all he's trying to woo himself into actually for the first time we face the senate due to uses your funds you understand the senate is going to first at the end of the day is full of the circle funds yes that they are always dining and whining with because the senate itself look at the people he's always with the Dinger one and also right now with the Uro so the jubilion the old DM senators will serve him at the end of the day so there's nothing you can see that it will come out to be true or what there's no true report you're going to get from that at the end of the day because they are the same same people he has pocketed but we the people of the media we run with the story for the first time in history ABCD have fine for the first time in history I don't object yes there's only the first time in history of something but what record have you set but you can underperform during the first time yes what record have you set but you will say and during the COVID-19 pandemic we need to get a real report we need to get a real accountability report from the court side okay workers are being laid off what is he saying about it it is quiet it will be addressed in the BBI how will it be addressed in the BBI that's shifting blame okay all right let's wind up say that's your final comments my final comments just as I've already said let us keep our leaders in check let us access our constitutional mandate okay let us not run to bring in any other constitution and that this constitution is not fully implemented let us fully implement this constitution see where the weakness is from the fully implemented document then you can say this is what you need to do this is what you need to do this is what you need to do then let us amend the constitution if need be but right now let us just be accountable let us focus and work with the constitution we have okay till we fail it is not good which is your final comments my final comments is that we need to be patriotic we need to have a genuine love for this nation right we need to have a genuine love for the people of this nation let's forget about our stomachs let's forget about where we are sleeping big homes and driving big cars and ensuring there is dust following you so that Kenyans can know that you are actually a leader you should stop we should move from that let let let leadership be servanship you want to see that mamamboga have a well lit area that she can sell hamboga comfortably let's have very good roads that have cyclists they can have cyclist parts your lanes yes, lane where they can easily cycle without fear of being hit by a vehicle you know that kind of servant leadership is what we should adhere to that your aim let the people be the one rewarding you you know in african leadership it was the people feeling that you have led let them very well someone brings their goat and saying thank you for being a good leader have my chicken now we have reverted I want to snatch your chicken you know that now what leadership has come to be so I see you with your two sheep I want to take one you see that's not be the leadership is I lead you in terms of servant she just like the Jesus was I lead you in terms of humility because leadership is about humility and leading the people to the way to go let them be coming to give you accolades and say mkubwa you should not be sleeping here actually let us help you sleep here you know even Jesus was telling him where do you sleep where because of the kind of leadership was so fine and then he told them foxes have holes but the son of man has nowhere to lay his head but now the kind of leaders we have nowadays they have to have the biggest home the biggest car with the very what many number of women so that to prove that they are actually leaders and they are the ones in control so we need to be patriotic and leader loves his people and leader is loyal to his people they can die for their people irrespective whether the people are complaining and talking all nasty things they are still loyal to these people and I always keep on saying if any Kenyan there is aspiring to be a leader they should go read the story of moses critical why? the israelis were the most hardical kind of people to lead they will tell him we were eating onions and eating garlic in Egypt take us back then they already have we're going going to Karam so and then God is we see moses was in between the people and then he goes to God and God says I want to wipe out those people they complain us all the time that moses harm us himself and say oh lord no no no actually kill me but preserve those people that shows you moses was ready to die for those people so do we have leaders in this country do we have authentic leaders ready to say I can sacrifice myself to ensure that these people move from point A to point B most of the time they want to save their own skin and actually somebody said in this covid why not for flights being locked they would have been ah they would have been flying out very fast and taking their family outside but God equalized all of us who are all housed in the same in the same country so we need to shift to that kind of leadership where you say if I fall sick in this country I can go to Bagadi as a leader and I sleep in that hospital and I'm treated by the same doctors I've had treated by the same doctors who have gone through the education system because if every time I am sick I have to fly out it means I am giving you a shoddy deal in terms of how I'm educating those doctors with education system and I'm doing a very shoddy deal in terms of the setup of that hospital it should be in the extent such that I can take as a leader take my children to a public school comfortably because I trust the system but what we find our leaders they take their children to universities abroad they can't take them even to the public universities we have there that speaks a lot but it means they don't even trust their own system that they have created so we need to shift to where leaders they can say I trust the system that I have created that I myself can also consume it otherwise if you as a leader cannot consume it then where are you leading these people where are you leading them which is these people that you're literally leading and to what point so let's have one patriotic leaders people who love their people people willing to die for their people people willing to serve their people before they serve themselves they serve the people before they serve them let them be ready to wash the fits of Kenyans and tell them you know what let us wash you clean let us put good clothes in you before I myself dress into beautiful clothes let me begin by dressing you that way I think even the perception of people will have to change and as a parting shot when you look at countries like even in Switzerland and I'm forgetting there's another country that is there whereby for you to be a political it's not even to creative you know there's no wealth to create from it there's the the salary is pathetic it's very little me angra they are not because you usually even use a bicycle and and and the citizens are not so much concerned that tells you the person who picks that job they literally love the people to actually want to go and serve but we have in Kenya the reason why I want to be an MP is because I know the salary is one million so it's an easy way out of joblessness you get or because I want to value me so that I can be filled is that power is that present is that that comes with it but but because right now you may start saying salary is to be slashed and then it will it will create another whole of arguments and scenario altogether but let's we ask Kenyans look for that leader who genuinely you can always know a genuine person who genuinely loves this nation and I always say Kibaki was very pathetic to this nation having served all those many years abused, called names but he still even when he was president he forgot all the complaints of Kenyans and he still forged ahead and still set out the plan to lead this nation so these are the kind of leaders he had his own fault I'm not saying it was a perfect man he had his own fault but we can say for sure Kibaki was very pathetic because you go to Kisumu roads are being made built you go to Muayale roads are being built you go to Turukana roads are being built towards Turukana if it's free primary education at Turukana was going free Kostelian was going free there was no marginalization and when internet came and university universities cropped up in every county so that the Somali in Garisa can access education so that the Turukana can access education so that tells you already this is already a patriotic Kenyan who had seen a bigger vision for everybody to at least be able to test development or actually move on like everybody else that's all all right thank you so much Beatrice and the sellers for coming we're waiting to see the if we have any comments from our audience back home Ndavi Mwendwa she is a root of a president in 2023 from quarantine all right Shadrakeniz me Mr sita muka kwen daku chagua katili chagua viwa wei guru then usi uski hajabandulu wa nili kwa na semareira andani okay sawa but kwa muka kwen daku chagua nizi okay wei wa tacha kwa na but it's good you go and vote because if you don't vote the person who is the wrong person will still win anyway naiva sha in then we have Ruto Toshia all right andani Adita Matiyoni Constance Princess Henriki then DP Ruto okay apakuna Kampi nili kwen andani have nansi Jeroge Tunde all right so uh these are some of your comments you have Martin Kelvin 2022 politics determining factor for William Ruto is his choice for deputy but trail loading and needs to work hard for BBI to sell through so that he can be considered in 2022 matrix either powerless president or vice vice prime minister okay weonima oni ako beidi us sleep already in in tune out a matcha I don't have time to vote okay you people you need to vote BAMUEL BOKE Kendi hanasima has it already flowing it will be tanga Comparising Comparising for a term Weta Madavadi Ruto vs Kiela okay okay Janet Ikweveni ita kwa I really don't care since all politicians are the same hands I will not waste my time voting only kwa ngezu attacks na Madeni za China akia nani I would rather go sell for the voters some ice cream or mandazi all right Uta kuming Shado lakini make you me vote at the end of the day emamba Rogers Ruto will lead the ODIM party coming 2022 okay so you ta kuhum coming Tatas Walsana Uesoga nasima Oya ni Tatas from Dukamoja Narok Timbaba vs Ruto Piagidion Moim jueya kukua race but sisi kama Wananchi tuta amua Uwa mesema ukweli tuta amua Tawai Jimmy morning I think the deputy president will team up with him Davade and we tanguli him being the presidential candidate Weta akwe presidential all right Isaac Mogambi kutapigano kuliko last time akutapigano watu ababa na Ruto nasima kita leka but anyway let's pray for peace those are the comments from the from our audience as you can see they have tried to campaign back home and they want to say ma Ruto and what actually the modavadi and Mosalia we actually do not know what will happen campaigns are probably 2022 zilianza ma pema other is back home thank you so much for keeping us company they have been my guest which is Kairu health economist and the status elites of political analyst I'll be seeing you again later in the day with the updates from the minister of health we want to know whether the number has increased from 3,954 to what and how many people have passed so it's COVID-19 we are being asked to stay home if you must wash your hands sanitize and observe social distance and physical distance observe also coughing and sneezing etiquettes above all love yourself and love your neighbor take care of yourself my name is Dereva Hilewi good morning