What's up everyone and welcome into the Sunday night recap brought to you by fan dual. I'm your host Simon joined as Always by my co-host Jay and Joey, right? What's up boys? Just slapping the base The the chat gets to hear that song, right? Yeah, the chat. Here's the oh, yeah, that's free I just want people to understand that like that doesn't cost money to listen to that It's uh Every single time no matter what mood we're in before the song clicks the second that song starts playing I look down every single one of us is like jamming a little bit. Jay slapping the base I wish everybody could see us as as the previews on and the music's playing and just we'll have to screencap that one day and put it out because man We definitely do not have the moves, but we sure we don't care Yeah, no, I was really feeling it tonight too. I came in a little soft and then by the end I was I was up It's all about that build up guys. We got some people in the chat Hanging with us tonight. There's still some games going on. So thank you guys for coming in and hanging out with us Albert in here saying hello everyone. What's up, Albert? Glad to have you here and we got what about Oh dj Got this week dj out there meeting all the female wrestlers. I'm loving a dj We got grim fan in here. Hey guys. What's up grim glad to have you in here and grim Letting us know he is still alive 12 weeks everybody watching if you're not aware how difficult that is It is so difficult to stay alive through 12 weeks in a survivor league It doesn't sound hard But the nfl is chaos any given sunday's a phrase for a reason and grim has successfully picked a team that's going to win their game Every single week of the season so far Um, they did want to know next week. They're looking at the bucks or the bills as their teams to play Any initial reactions? Do we know who those guys are playing next week? It's I haven't looked at my matchups yet The bills play on thursday night against the pats. I do know that and the bucks play on monday night against the saints Oh, man, that's saints defense. It's tough every especially in division divisional yeah divisional game prime time just coming off a bad loss Yeah, yep, you're right. Oh man, I think I would go with the bills between those two If those are your options, I would go with the bills I trust them a little more than I do the buccaneers who, you know, just blew a game today against the browns No, but we did just watch almost blow a game So, um, neither team is infallible, but I think I'm with you On that one. We got some more people in the chat slick vicking here saying what's up. Welcome. I'm glad to have you here And we got jay in the chat with the what's up guys. What's up j? Thanks for joining us on this sunday night Before we get into breaking down these games previewing some sunday night football a couple reminders for everyone watching If this is your first time coming in here, thanks so much for joining us We are front yard fantasy and we are here every single sunday night from 7 p.m. Until kickoff of sunday night football breaking down that day's games from a fantasy football perspective If you enjoy what we're doing you can head on over to our youtube channel at front yard fantasy hit that subscribe button To see more of us and show your support for what we do But guys if you're enjoying what you see here and you're watching this video right now You're probably on fan duals facebook or on their youtube go and hit that like button right now And then subscribe to fan dual on youtube and then make sure you check them out across all their other social platforms We're talking tiktok instagram twitter at fan dual everywhere They have a whole team of killer content creators Almost as charming handsome and smart as we are to help you guys win some money and win your leagues Almost let's get into some sunday night football. I know these four game games are still going on So I want to preview this sunday night football game that we have At the beginning of the season this might have looked like a marquee matchup But not so much anymore. We've got the green bay packers at the philadelphia eagles The eagles are six and a half point favorites at home total set at 46 and a half points I think the expectation is that the eagles should win this game, especially at home The way the packers have been looking recently But we've seen the eagles look beatable recently Losing to the commanders and then having some closer games over the past couple weeks as well Jay, I did want to ask you about some of these receiving options on the eagles that have been disappointing as of late AJ brown has not been the player that people expected them to be over the past two weeks Why to see her 46 in ppr last week? Why to see her 93 the week before do you think against this packers defense? Is it bounce back week for AJ brown? I sure hope so because I need it in my home league this week So I do I think this is what AJ brown tends to do This but even when he was with Tennessee, you would have those big blow-up games Then you have games that uh, he would seem to disappear Last week he did twist his ankle early in the game. He was able to play through the whole game So there's no concern long term, but um, you know, you could kind of shock that up for last week I I do think even though not just saying it because I need it, but I do think this is a big AJ brown game I think they want to get him right get him happy And I don't see anybody on green mate that's going to be able to stop him Joey now AJ brown I think is probably where most people are asking the question But there's a secondary receiver for the Philadelphia Eagles that has had some blow-up games this year as well Devonta Smith Is a highly talented fantasy option in his own right but again has been disappointing as of late Do you think Devonta Smith is startable in this matchup? Yeah, I think he's startable. I mean The Packers are top 10 against wide receivers. So that's a little scary for me But the target share that Devonta Smith is getting of late. It's encourageable So I think the work can be there for him And he's really just a touchdown away from being fantasy relevant every single week for you That's easy to say for a lot of players, but for Devonta Smith, you know, he's adding on what 50 to 60 yards a week I like Devonta Smith a lot I'm with you I think his floor even though we haven't seen it every single week with the volume He's getting I feel comfortable plugging him in every single week and the dude's a star I like AJ Brown over Shadison, but Devonta Smith is an unbelievable NFL wide receiver in his own right We did have a question in here from this game that I wanted to answer Jay wanted to know he said I need huge help to get the win Do I start randall cob or quest? Watkins joey randall cob showed up last week for Aaron rogers and the green Bay Packers Are you rolling with him or are you plugging in quest Watkins on this evil side? It's going to be randall cob and not that I even like to match up that much But we will we know about Aaron rogers is that he leans on receivers? He knows and he knows randall cob And whether christian watson alam lizard aren't exactly the most dependable options for rogers and and rogers mind I think they're both Quite wonderful receivers the quest Watkins is just too boomer bust for me I feel like a little bit safer with randall cob Man, I'm with you joey, but it feels weird at this point saying that you feel safe with randall cob, but it's it's how I feel Jay, which way are you even? Yeah, clean sweep. Yeah, I think that he's got the safer floor and Honestly, probably has the same, you know, if you're looking for the big game I mean randall cob could easily get a couple touchdowns. Just as easy as uh, was Watkins. So yeah, randall cob He ever looked in randall cob's eyes Yes, and I it's amazing that I was ever able to look away joey Had that had that tv screen not switched from his face. I would have been just stuck there to this day staring into his eyes we uh There was another player on the philadelphia side of the ball I wanted to ask you guys about again a bit disappointing prior to the two weeks before For the last two weeks mile sanders was rb 40 and rb 37 respectively in ppr leagues But before that he was an rb 2 or better in four of the five weeks and an rb 1 in two of the five weeks He was becoming someone people thought they could depend on week in week out jay Do you think you can still depend on mile sanders for fantasy? I think you can still depend on him, but I think you have to temper your Expectations earlier in the season when he started off really good He's getting a lot of usage in the passing game Boston scott was a little banged up now. Boston scott is healthy. He's getting some usage And mile sanders has I believe two catches in the past two games. So Um, I don't think he's gonna sniff that rb 1 territory. I think he's a mid to low range rb 2 I think you know as much as this this offense runs the ball you could easily get a get a touchdown on mile sanders, but Just doesn't have quite the ceiling that he had earlier on in this season Joey are you a little more optimistic about mile sanders or about in line with jay? I think the way that philadelphia wins this game is running the ball Because green bay is really good defending the pass. So I see a lot of mile sanders I think we're gonna see a lot of jaylon herds running the ball too And I think mile sanders can easily get a touchdown this week If we could get a hundred plus rushing yards for jaylon herds, I would be a very happy I need a fishbowl, please me too. Joey me too. Oh Oh, are we fishbowl buddies? We're fishbowl buddies now. Who's your other cubie? Who's your other cubie? Justin Herbert? Minesboro, okay. I'm a lucky son. I've drafted herbert at two and then drafted jaylon herds back There on the turn, but uh And tom brady, so Oopsie, I might not be moving on in the playoffs doesn't look very good unless jaylon herds has a game tonight Albert had another question for us with a player from this game The sunday night football game wanted to know start al-mazzard or michael pittman full ppr Joey you want to take this one because I know you're fairly high on this Indianapolis Colts passing game against the pittsburgh stealers tomorrow night. Yeah The stealers give up the most fantasy points to fantasy wide receivers So michael pittman. I like a lot. Um, I think i'm the only person beating the matt ryan drum this week Um, I think matt ryan is on on show ready to have a great game this week So what was that j? Yeah, I said you probably are but you know, yeah kind of uh leading into albert's question as well I agree with you. I would go with michael pittman, but I have my own question in joey since you're so high on him I asked simon before the show paris cambell or christian watson ppr paris cambell That's okay. Yeah, I mean matt ryan's indoors too and outside of the philadelphia game matt ryan has been Unbelievable when he's inside Um, when he goes outside he gets scared. I think he's like the groundhog and he sees his shadow He goes right Doesn't want to go with it anymore. I'm sure he's not a vampire Maybe he's afraid to get in the sun and like in twilight his skin starts to glisten He's basically olaf. He doesn't want to melt. So He's gonna be on the next olaf has a permafrost. So olaf can't melt Oh j spoiler. Thanks for keeping a cannon. Wow. Oh my gosh. Just jeez It's good. We got lidarius here saying hey guys. Hope what's up lidarius my man. Thanks so much for coming in I hope you enjoyed survivor series buddy It was good. I watched it too. I hadn't gets a chance to watch it yet. I probably won't i'm working tomorrow Guys on the other side of this ball. I did want to hit on a couple players For the green bay packers this philly Past defense is tough one of the best in the nfl. They've got some shut down corners on the outside Joey, what is the trust level with the green bay packers receiving options? Not high I would trust lasard over watson just from a floor standpoint I'm a little worried about both of them. This does feel like a game though where We've seen erin rogers and desperate times really just Pull it out of his butt And this feels like this could be one of those erin rogers games where he really just does show out But man, this Philadelphia team is really good. So I don't know even with him showing out if it can beat this Philadelphia team Yeah, and for those of you who did not see erin rogers is dealing with a fracture in his thumb That was unreported earlier in the year says it's worse than maybe they had let on But playing through it. So that could explain some of the bad play from erin rogers as well We got jl in the chat saying hi. What's up jl and said hot Sorry, I said pull it out of the butt That's why he said hot erin rogers pulling it out of his butt Guys, that's it. I wanted to hit on for this game unless you guys had something else from this game Did I say something inappropriate on accident He said pull it out of his butt Hot it's this Philadelphia defense is really good It's hard to really get excited about any part of this green bay offense tonight It really is like I want to be excited for erin rogers I want to be excited for aj dylan and I just can't be from between their play and play against philadelphia It's impossible to be excited about either of them. I'm starting one erin jones across 20 plus leagues And that is the only green bay packer. I am starting this league this week I have a lot of alan lazar drafted a lot of christian watson picked up, but I've had serviceable options michael pitman's brandon iukes that i'm playing over alan lazar christian watson this week Um also dj said don't say that joey. I am starting watson tonight. I'm sorry dj dj, we deliver the truth It's just what we do except when we're wrong in which case we deliver the incorrect truth consequences Guys, we're gonna jump into these games that already happened today in a moment before we do that though Unfortunately, we need to hit on the players that were injured today players that are gonna affect your fantasy decisions going forward Jay, you want to run us through uh today's injury report? Yeah, unfortunately, there were a few big names uh travis etn left the game early against um Who the jaguar is playing? I completely forgot but he left the game early with his Bravens, that's right. How could I forget with that finish? Left the game in the first quarter. I did not return. Haven't heard anything about that. Something to keep an eye on Uh darnel mooney also got rolled up. Um while he was blocking likely a high ankle sprain I would not be surprised to see if darnel mooney missed. Um, honestly this point of the season I wouldn't be surprised if they just shut him down Jeff wilson jr. Left the game. Um, they did not disclose what I don't know if you guys saw it or not But after a play he just sat sat on his butt and He uh waved diary killed to him and he just like drug him off. So it looked like it was um Cramping or something like that because he went back came back on the field and with the game out of hand He was still playing so don't have any long-term concern for jeff wilson jr Same thing which I recal. He left the game with cramps, but they pulled all the starters because it was um Such a blowout that they didn't want to risk anything and then michael carter Left the game for the jets with an ankle injury and did not return And james rosson was a healthy stretch. So who knows what's going to happen with the jets? Um, Ty johnson here on out Ty johnson season Shout out joey and dav kluge for just bringing some attention to ty johnson as a player that you needed to Keep your eye on because when there's only two running backs Active on a team you pay attention to both of them. You got to have both of those guys on your radar It's a great pull guys We are going to jump into our first game that we're breaking down here And this one was a bit of a blowout even to the score may not show it that way But the houston texans and the miami dolphins played today the dolphins pulling out the victory 30 to 15 And almost all of that damage was done in the first half of them. No all of that damage The first half Pretty much. Yeah. Um, yeah, they started to because once they pulled to a waddle and tyreekill They kept going three and out three and out and then the texans were scoring and they now kept saying so Are they gonna have to put the starters back in this game if they score another touchdown? and the Texans were the texans and they didn't have to worry about that Was not as close as a score implied tyla allen Spoiler alert not that much better than davis mills 215 yards one touchdown two picks Uh, the touchdown it was basically in garbage time even most of this game was garbage time. Let's be honest Um, the leading rusher was darian huvawale Since jail isn't here. I'll do it for him. Darae Um, huvawale scored a Shout-out jl. He got the red zone touchdown Uh On the ground for this team four carries 14 yards joey, I can see the this the frown in your soul Damian pierce only had five carries for eight yards And he did have uh three catches on six targets But this is the second game in a row that he scored less than five fantasy points and that's in ppr Uh past two games. He's had 15 carries for a total of 16 rushing yards five catches for a total of 17 receiving yards Um It's tough guys. Are you guys starting pierce on week 12? He does have a good match up houston plays the browns who give up going into the week Give up the second most fantasy points to opposing running backs But it has been ugly for damian pierce right these past couple weeks I cannot wait to see what fandals pricing is on damian pierce next week because I will pay it against the cleveland browns. I have no uh hesitation to start him next week against the browns. Um, he had two bad games today Especially the dolphins were up 30 to was it almost? I think it was 30 to zero. Yeah, it was 30 to zero And damian pierce touched the ball one more time once that score hit I think the tech since pretty much just gave up at that point And he had four I was watching because I loved watching damian pierce He had four carries to that point and they gave him one more carry. Um They just seemed to shut him down. So I like pierce next week I have no trouble starting him rest of season Um, absolutely I'm with you joey. It's a beautiful matchup next week against the cleveland browns They are bottom three against the run in the league. So you start your running backs against them and damian pierce is a great back Um, hopefully they don't go down 30 early Next week and then it becomes a moot point to even get the running game going for them And damian pierce can stay successful But that's the challenge with this texans offense is Well, this texans team in general is they can go down big early So you're just hoping that they can get something going to at least keep themselves within that like two three touchdown range Um, so they don't want to abandon the run.  Absolutely. Also marty in here popping in to say what's up. Just wanting to say hey to marty Welcome marty. That's my guy. I love you marty Yeah, and I was gonna say too. Um, yes, they should probably be in the game against cleveland But after that you simply Dallas, kansas city and tennessee I know you said you're uh, you're not concerned long term joey But I I really could see those three games getting this kind of treatment getting out of hand and damian pierce Just getting phased out of the game based on game script alone. Well, when you put it like that i'm concerned It well, there you go Dallas, kansas city and tennessee. I don't mind them in the kansas city game I understand it could go up big, but I don't mind them in kansas city Yeah, that's a Dallas game not the prettiest stretch though not the prettiest stretch for those guys I still think you're starting them every week, but you just your expectations have to be You know middle of the road rv2 versus that fringe rv1 that we were looking at earlier in the season right And while jordan akins caught the lone touchdown for the texans nico collins Actually led in both targets and receptions six for nine Nice and he is now averaging over eight targets a game since returning from injury week ten You guys think uh nico collins is worthy of a flex play pretty much from here on out especially with you know Even though the quarterback play isn't there. There's plenty of garbage time and that's where you got most of his production Yeah, houston's gonna trail and nico has has a good track record now a few weeks now putting up some good production I have no issue rolling them out there in a flex position. Maybe even a wide receiver three if I need them There still are some bi weeks coming up too, so Yeah, you can't ignore you can't ignore this level of involvement and offense and all the concerns We just said about them abandoning the run game Well, that benefits a guy like nico if they are down big so his uh his role in this offense is pretty safe I don't expect many texans blowouts where they're just abandoning the pass all all together Probably not seen too many of those especially with the schedule you just read out loud to me. Yeah It's got a fun name too He does have a full a fun name 234 in here just with the assumption the texans are gonna have the first overall pick And you know what maybe not an unfair assumption said who would the texans take with the first overall pick one of those quarterbacks Stroud or young I don't know who it's going to be we will see them flip flop probably all off-season different places We'll say one thing but um, it's going to be one of those two guys if I had to guess what do you guys think 100 percent whichever quarterback they like best Shout out to three fours keeping the world cup chat going for us an f yf. Yep. Yep 100 um on the dolphin side of the ball Even though he basically only played two quarters Tua still threw the ball 36 times 299 yards one passing touchdown They said like I think literally think he had 32 pass attempts in the first half I was like it's Tua really going to throw the ball 60 plus times But they did they did the smart thing because he started to get you know hit a little bit And as we know with the concussion issues with Tua, um, you want to protect his health at all costs One hit where he just like his feet stayed on the ground Tell this fully in the air like a good two feet off the ground and then his head just goes all the way I was like I was so scared and then he gets on and I was like I was like get him off the field right now after that happened like Not with that man back out. I I did not expect you to go with Pelvis fully in the air like that's not I waited till I saw that he was okay, and then I posted the picture of neof in the matrix doing the That's what it looked like he was like playing around and but I was glad he's okay Tua needs to be on the field every week so exciting We got a score update from dj and from grim fan in here 26 10 final score chiefs over rams Chiefs pulling that one out like expected but like expected doesn't always happen in the nfl Sorry, jay. You were talking about how great Tua was and I just had to give props to his gymnastics move real quick Yeah, no, absolutely.  Um, not benched pulled I should say shouldn't say bench because bench stands negative Both that decent games nothing crazy 85 yards a piece Tyree kill at six catches jaylin waddle had I believe that says Five I can't read my mind. Yeah, so five catches No touchdowns. Unfortunately jeff wilson jr. Like I said left the game Everybody was a little concerned, but he came right back in he didn't really get a whole lot of usage Like you would have hoped he did get 15 carries got a touchdown. I still think Jeff wilson has this backfield locked up Think he's gonna be somebody who performs very very well down the stretch He also had one catch on three targets as well So not a whole lot to take away other than what's been expected from this dolphin's offense I was disappointed With the jeff wilson stat line today I thought he was a slam dunk playing this game and then especially when they went up big I was like, oh goody But maybe there was more to that injury whenever he got pulled off the field Like he was good enough to come back But wasn't it full force because I didn't look like the jeff wilson We've seen running for the dolphin seemed the past couple weeks He didn't have that same like a pep in a step of the same power that we've seen from him and by the time he he was getting garbage time touches and I mean there was it was skylar thompson and all All the backup wide receivers. So they were just loading up to stop the run So I'm not too concerned about jeff wilson Yeah I'm with you. I'm just uh, I'm just bitter because I thought it was a perfect start for him this week And it did not work out guys. We're going. What's up? What's up, joey? I was in the jail in waddle went to tiry kill and said I did I got 85 on five catches. I didn't need six You think like they motivated each other that way. Yeah, I think he put his hands in his ears I got six catches on one less target Oh Yeah, they can just they can just throw stats back and forth at each other all day long problems walls that are thrown at me Oh, Josh Jacob Is he gonna win the game for them? I know that game went into overtime. I've got a very important first down for them Hot man. Josh Jacobs So happy that he played this week and what an absolute monster. He has been so far today. Um, what's he got? He's got like almost 35 ppr 140 yards a touchdown Sixer sessions are 74 yards. He's having a day 37 fantasy points in my ppr league. God That's incredible. Yep. Um, Josh Jacobs. I love you guys We're gonna move on to our next game the next game I wanted to talk about was this Tampa Bay Cleveland Browns game The Browns pulling it out 23 17 Yeah, 60 minutes was not enough to decide this windy and rainy game in Cleveland, Ohio Cleveland scored a game tying touchdown with 19 seconds remaining to send the game into overtime Neither team could store their opening drives and the Buccaneers punted on their second Possession of extended time and the Browns second drive proved profitable through on the back of a 45 yard Amari Cooper reception Nick Chubrush the ball into the end zone for the second on second goal to win the game So good to see for Nick Chubb for sure On the brown side of the ball. Amari Cooper finished without a touchdown But did hull in seven receptions for 94 yards Nick Chubb carried the ball 26 times for 160 yards in a touchdown So Nick Chubb moved up to third and rushing yardage in the league this season behind only Derek Henry And say Juan Barclay two names. We like a lot Does Nick Chubb belong in a tier with them or is he still on the outside looking in Jay, what do you think? I would say he's just right below them because he doesn't catch enough passes Nick Chubb has been one of my favorite running backs since he's come into the league I think you've heard everybody say it like in the echo chamber He's one of the best pure runners in the entire NFL And even though kareem hunt has not really done a whole lot this year Nick Chubb hasn't done much through the area either. I think that um, I think he's he's that next tier under I'm about as reliable as as it gets but Not having the reception just kind of caps us upside They agree. I don't I don't think he needs it. I think he does belong up there He's out scoring sake on Barclay on a points per game basis up to this point in the season They're close But he is out scoring him and this browns offense likely should just take a step up with uh With shan Watson coming back next week more scoring opportunities for nick chubb And I don't think that goal line work is going away from him So I think nick chubb. He's the ppr running back six through the first 12 weeks of the season He's out scoring sake on Barclay on a points per game basis And I don't think that goes down With Watson coming back into this offense next week. So I'm I put him in that tier Nice, okay. Yeah, I'm gonna get to Watson in a second. I want to talk about a david joku real quick I'll continue to be productive tight end streaming option with this six double digit ppr performance nine games He finished with five receptions for 29 yards and a touchdown If you've been streaming tight end this year David and joku has been a great option for you But the big question looking forward to next week is what this offense is going to look like with to shan Watson starting So I want to play a little game of upgrade or downgrade for a few of the browns positional players So just say upgrade or downgrade A little explanation if you'd like upgrade downgrade nick chub Upgrade slight put it like even but maybe a slight upgrade if anything just because of the touchdown upside okay, I would say net it's a push because uh While the offense is going to be better. You could see to shan Watson running you've all just a little more than jacobi percent might have Maybe take away some goal line. There's nothing extreme, but um, I think it'll be about the same Hey, do you think it's upgrades or downgrades cream hunt? I'll take the downgrade doesn't matter. I'm gonna take the downgrade for cream hunt because I think those check downs to the running Back are going to be less important with Watson in this offense. We might see fewer of those So they're going to be designed place for cream hunt. Um, and we won't see quite as many of them Yeah, I agree Cool. Yeah, so I'll get to the receiving options now And this is where I start to get a little concerned and just real quick because we've not seen to shan Watson Play a football game in almost two years So let's get into the receiving options amari cooper upgrade or downgrade I'm gonna call it an upgrade and you'll see a pattern with most of these receiving options here I'm probably going to say upgrade for most of them at least the wide receivers Um, I I do think I know there's concerns. There's definitely the chance. It's a non-zero chance that Watson comes out And he's lost it. He's rusty. He hasn't played in two years, but Whenever that dude's played, he's just been a great quarterback and he's done it with good wide receivers He's done it with bad wide receivers. The dude Um has done nothing but find success. Um on the field in the nfl. So I'm it's an upgrade for amari cooper I don't know how much upgraded he can get though. Yeah, he's he's looked great all season Even in his games where he's not been that it's somehow he finds a production. He's fine. Yeah Um two more names. I got donovan people's jones and david a joku. It seems like every player we've had as an upgrade So I guess it was a downgrade. Okay cream hum is a downgrade You know, donovan people jones same thing like simon was saying I think that doshan watson is going to come back There might be some rust, but he's just too talented of a player Um to all of a sudden have lost it other than you know, russia wilson may have done that But I don't think that's going to be the case with doshan watson Um, I will say um, excuse me a little concern for david and joku because traditionally doshan watson has not used the tight end A whole lot, but I mean, it's not like david and joku is getting a ton of targets I mean, yes seven the targets and in this game was nice to see but Mark cooper was the has been the go-to guy in this offense already So david and joku you're you're pretty much hoping for a touchdown as it is So I would say slight downgrade, but not too much because this offense is going to be better It's those secondary receiving options that I don't know which one it's going to be But whenever we look at donovan people's jones, we look at david and joku hell Maybe even david bell um is another player here. I don't know who doshan watson is going to like throwing the ball to I'm assuming cooper's the one because cooper's by far the most talented receiver on this team I think but maybe he latches on to dpj. Maybe it's david bell Maybe it's david and joku someone is not going to be seeing the same production that they're seeing which goby berset Just based on his preferences throwing the ball. I feel like I feel like donovan feels jones might profile a little bit like will fuller Which we saw watson So that's neatly agree. I'm really Donovan feels jones is probably my biggest upgrade of everyone on this list because I I feel like Watson suits his talents really well and vice versa It's a great point and um, I mean he hasn't really been used that way even though that's his skill set this year Right, he's been used more as like a possession type guy in these high targets He could start getting those downfield shots with watson that could really up his value. I like that call joey. Thank you. Thank you Um and on the buccaneer side of the ball Chris godwin was a star of the buck's offense of the day finishing with 12 receptions for 110 yards and a touchdown. My goodness Um, although mike evans quiet day for him two receptions to 31 yards tom brady had a solid showing 29, um completions 246 yards two touchdowns no interceptions. So solid day. Nice production um the aspect of the buccaneer's game I kind of want to look at though is the run game Leonard fornett did not start today, which means rachad white touched the ball 23 total times For 109 total yards, which equated to about 19.9 ppr fantasy points And many of us were calling rachad white a top 12 running back for week 12 However, if lennard fornett doesn't return in this regular season, which was a narrative after the game Is rachad white a top 12 running back? rest of season Simon, what do you think?  I'm giving you the talent. I believe it There's a top 12 running back in that offense that talent and that opportunity Um, I don't know how you push him outside of that range now if Leonard fornett is back We see weeks of top 12, but he's probably just a solid rv2 At that point if we see fornett back out on the field I think he's fringe. I think I think he's right there. Um, it's going to be close I think he's uh, you know because you got sake one barkley. I'd still take over him allston eckler josh jacob's Derek henry um Who else you think uh, did I say josh jacob's already yeah josh jacob's He also you forgot josh jacob's josh jacob's nick chub So he's yeah, he's there I think he's right right on the 10 to 12 range. Um, there's still a handful of guys, but I mean You're getting nine targets nine receptions. You absolutely love to see that out of a running back So I think he's locked in his every week starter Even if Leonard fornett comes back and that was the thing this week for me with white is the nine receptions for 45 yards Because that's the part of the game. We haven't really seen from him yet. We've seen the good rushing production We've seen them run the ball down the throat, but it's that receiving work that he got today So yeah, I think he does that's over that's more than two touchdowns like that's that's ridiculous You love it. Yeah, he he needs fornett to be out because I think fornett's receiving. He's the receiving work that for the bucks if He's in but if he's out and her shot white all systems go All systems go before we move on to our next game grim fam here out of question said am I the only one that Thinks the bucks won't make the playoffs this year So grim I don't necessarily disagree with that But the one problem standing in the way of the bucks missing the playoffs is the other three teams in their division The New Orleans Saints the Carolina Panthers and the Atlanta Falcons are doing their best to make sure that the buccaneers make the playoffs Um, Joey, you think the bucks are getting in this year? Yeah Yeah It's it's sad. Um, they they did lose today and the Panthers are still somehow on the playoff hunt They're only a game behind them, I believe right It's Yeah, it's one of the one of these teams are going to go into the playoffs with a losing record and host a playoff game It's gonna happen. Oh Shit dj in here letting us know right now in the chat Raiders went in over time 40 34 86 yard touchdown run by josh jake ups Does that put him over 200 rushing yards? He's got to be up there now at that point 229 rushing yards receiving yards I looked over I I would did my little thing on the on the bucks browns And josh jake ups had like 32 fantasy points. I look over. He's at the 56.6 and I sent a Message to jay and simon. I said something big with josh jake ups happened dj Thanks for coming in because I was going to go back to see what happened on my on my red zone here Oh my god, josh jake ups.  Wow Just incredible josh jake ups. I love you man, but true. I got to get a jake ups jersey after this one me a week That's incredible. Wow, man. Shout out everyone who started josh jake ups That's so much fun. You love big fantasy weeks like this and if you started them enjoy your win But remember the narrative because he played in all a fame game that he was getting benched for zameer white, you know BS baloney josh jake ups is the truth guys We're going to move on to our next game now and the next game I wanted to talk about was this Atlanta falcons washington commanders game speaking of the buccaneers division mate Um, the falcons did not pull this game out. They lost 19 to 13 to the washington commanders um And it wasn't the world's most exciting game to watch either taylor heineke He seemed like it should have been a slam dunk start for him on the washington side And while he threw two touchdowns he also only threw for 138 yards through an interception as well And it was pretty underwhelming for fantasy purposes Joey before you go any further on this washington team Do you think taylor heineke is their solution at starter? Are we going to see him finish the year out as the starting quarterback here? I I think for the year, um, I think this is their solution. I think next year they move on to the kid But for now, I think it's to the heineke. You think they'll move on next year. Yeah Joey or j. How do you feel about taylor heineke? Do you think this is the solution for washington or they're moving on from him? Yeah, they're they're continuing to win games even though carson wence did look good earlier in the year um You know, this team really believes in taylor heineke you can tell the way that the team You know talks about them and rallies around them and that's one thing that carson wence seems to never have everywhere He goes seems like his teammates just despise them. Um, and they have no Doesn't the pick change depending on how many snaps Carson wence had I don't know the exact number But I think if he comes back in and starts playing then I have to give a worse pick So they're winning a team like the teammates like them better And they won't have to give up a better pick. So yeah, it's it's going to be taylor heineke the rest of the season In my opinion I'm with you before we keep talking about this game christ came in here with a question for us And chris funnily enough jay has the same exact scenario and asked both joey and I this question a little bit earlier He's up by two points and wants to know if he should play paris cambell or put in christian watson I'm playing paris cambell. I love the matchup joey's talked about it multiple times now The steelers are the number one matchup the best matchup for fantasy wide receivers They've given up the most points to opposing wide receivers and matt ryan loves paris cambell Joey you're going paris cambell over watson as well, right? I am yes And jay we got a triple pc Yep, triple pc. That was uh, who I already had my lineup and you guys secured the decision for me So i'm going paris cambell as well There you go christ you got a triple paris cambell and someone right here who's actually doing the same exact thing In their lineup going into tonight's games jay putting his money where his mouth is a little bit The star of the show on the washington side was rookie running back brian robinson 18 carries 105 yards on the ground Averaging 5.8 per carry It feels like there's been a little bit of like the snap snap snap like is it going to be robinson? Is it going to be gibson? Is it going to be robinson? Is it going to be gibson? Like um, well, it's robinson this week Joey do you think like if you have to decide rest of season, which one of these backs you want? Are you going with brian robinson or antonio gibson? No I really I really don't know between the two because I think I I feel like I get a run on robinson And I'm like all right now it's his time the shift has happened and they pull back and there's a gibson game Um, you know with gibson having three receptions today You know use that numbers a little bit higher I I would probably roll out gibson ahead of robinson.  I benched him in quite a few leagues as well And gibson does seem like maybe the safer play because his receiving work is pretty safe Like you mentioned this was a little bit lower than we like to see but his receiving work is pretty safe Jay, what about you? Do you lean robinson or are you agreeing with joey that it's gibson? In full ppr. I'm definitely going gibson and half ppr and non ppr I think I would probably go robinson just because of the uh, you know, he has seen you know past four games 18 carries 15 carries 26 carries 13 carries So, um, if you're not getting that benefit of the full point for a catch Then I would lean robinson. But if it is full ppr for me, it's gibson as well Absolutely, it was a disappointing day for terry mclauren six targets four receptions 48 yards Hi, nikki loves the dude. You keep rolling them out there. He's one of the best riders here as the NFL You just keep on starting terry mclauren every single week and you'll have He overthrew him in the end zone one. I mean, he could have had a touchdown. So yeah, 100% Don't be worried about their terry mclauren. Don't worry about him at all on the other side of the ball for the atlanta falcons marcus marioda Just that's all i had marcus marioda It was marcus marioda 15 for 25 174 yards of touchdown and an interception in this one Um, and then added 49 yards rushing on the ground. So that's enough for you Know what I mean? Like he does enough on the ground every week that you can plug him in if you need to It's like unsalted unbuttered popcorn. Like if if you're kind of hungry you need something it'll do but it's You'd rather rather a little extra on there.    Yeah You realize you scratch your glass top, you know stove and you get a mess everywhere You know, not that I've done that before not from experience whatsoever The rush the rushing games are pretty evens. Oh gary. Are you muted down there? I couldn't hear you right I was muted. There we go. I'm sorry. I was like I see the lips moving, but I can't hear you um, the rushing game for the atlanta falcons it's becoming clearer in my mind what they're doing and that is that it's unclear Who the lead back is it is clearly unclear who the lead running back is in atlanta now Tyler algae and cordial patterson splitting the carries right down the middle 11 carries a piece and doing just about the same about 50 yards of pop on the ground for both of those guys Cordial patterson though much more involved in the passing game five targets three receptions adding 19 yards on the ground Jay We played the game a little bit earlier with the running backs on the washington commander's side We're going to play the same game with the running backs here on the falcon side You got to have one rest of season. Is it going to be seapad or is it going to be tyler algear? I know i've traditionally been one to poo poo on seapad But with kyle pits going down, you know, he did have what he was missing earlier in the season that we were excited about He got involved in the passing game. Um, so there's no question. It's cordial patterson for me. Um, they're getting pretty much the same usage On the ground for the rushing attempts. It's Cordial patterson getting used in the past game and you know, they like to use them in the red zone as well Joey, are you agreeing with jay here? Are you maybe a little higher on algear? Um, I'd rather have patterson um, and That return work if you get points for return yardage in your league Hey, we've seen them get you know get you a little bit there, but then you can run one back So that's nice to have. Um, but the receiving work i'll take patterson And if you're in my girlfriend's work league where you get half a yard per A return yard then definitely picks seapad here without a doubt him and ray ray mclad killing it right there Ever heard in my entire life. That's fantastic. I get mad every time I think about the scoring in that league Like I know I bring it up all the time. It's just every time I think about the scoring settings over there I'm like, what like why what why would you do that? There's no reason to do that We need to do that if I have listener league next year like just crazy scoring like that Yeah, that's always fun guys We're gonna move on to our next game the chicago bears against the mike white led new york jets You know what I buried the lead the trevor simian led chicago bears against the mike white led new york jets It was a showdown of the most elite quarterbacks in the nfl But the jets came out on top 31 to 10 in this one Yeah, it came out today that uh jack wilson won't be starting until he gets his confidence back But I don't think he's gonna be getting his confidence back with mike white out here just slinging the ball 315 yards three touchdowns Man, he looked freaking good out there and he's got a little swag I don't know if you saw the camera pan to him. He just he winked. It was a it was a terrible one. Hold on Yeah, that was much like that way sexier that's Oh god, we're gonna have to start doing wink bets No, god, no, uh, and yeah with that being said Yeah, the passing game looking good. Garrett wilson two touchdowns on eight targets Five catches 95 yards even got elijah moore involved back from the dead grant that it was only two catches but 64 yards and a touchdown with mike white under center. Is gary wilson a must start on the rest of the season It's what I wanted to see it was what who mike white was going to throw to and I think we found out today Um, yeah, I'm fine to start gary wilson Yeah, yeah I don't I don't want to believe that mike white's going to do it again Because we saw the wheels fall off last year, right? Like the magic didn't last We saw the magic my white game and then it fell apart a little bit like But if he's going to target gary wilson like this, I don't care What did you hear that you accidentally just came up with the best nickname for mike white? You said magic mike white That is officially his nickname Not until I see him in his underpants. Will I call him that? I have and it's it's it's mad. Does he you know where's simon underpants or absolutely the simon underpants inches by simon Mike white definitely wears white and tidies, right? Oh without a doubt. That's a briefs kind of guy But you got to start gary wilson. You got to get gary wilson in there if mike white's starting Um, dude likes to throw him the ball eight targets and what the next the next highest target only at three Like he was hyper targeting gary wilson out there Yeah, and you got to be excited about you know the potential for elijah moore as well I don't think he's somebody you can put in your lineups just yet But he's somebody that I think if he's available on the waiver wire I picked up picked him up in a couple places before this game I think he somebody should throw on your bench in case this offense does keep it going Uh, they had a connection last season. So um elijah moore could definitely be more involved down the stretch Absolutely grim fan in here coming in with a mike white question said reliable mike white big fantasy play today Indeed he was is he someone you guys are looking at to pick up and stash after today's performance And do you see him as a qb1 moving forward with the jets as the starter jay? What's your take on this question from grim here on mike white? Um, I don't consider him a qb1. I think he's a fine super flex play as your qb2 depending on you know Maybe you lost just some fields. Maybe you drafted russell wilson. Um, and you need somebody who's more reliable I think that they continue to throw the ball as much as they are, you know, especially with michael carter going down with an injury They're gonna have to throw the ball. He's got weapons I think he's fine as a super flex start, but I wouldn't consider him a qb1 qb leagues Oh, man I just looked at mike white if he's to start a rest of season for the jets his playoff schedule lions Jags seahawks All top all teams uh in the top 12 giving up fantasy points to quarterbacks God, no, don't make mike white the league winner this year. Don't make mike I will say this in super flex i'm going out and getting them for security If we've got a big injury to quarterback, please. No, let's not let that happen Having mike white to fill in with that schedule Could save you a championship Yeah, no absolutely i'm gonna win but save you one Joey that's a great pick them up. It's a good third quarterback to go into the playoffs with his mike white with those matchups definitely startable and Apparently joey, I didn't listen to the show earlier today because I took my kids to the trampoline park But you were talking up ty johnson and he had a pretty solid game scored touchdown five carries 62 yards But zonovan knight got the most carries for this backfield 14 carries 69 yards Let's say that michael carter does miss extended time james robinson was a healthy sprat so I don't know if if uh If what's going on there? I know they just traded for him But is there anybody in this backfield that you'd be willing to start if michael carter misses time? Not without seeing it um joey you go ahead I was gonna say one. I think you made up the name zonovan knight to see if I was paying attention to the games today because I don't believe that guy played today No, but I you got me zonovan yeah, I would I would uh, I would wouldn't mind grabbing ty johnson We've seen it the rapport with mike white from last season in those four games um, and he had what five carries 60 yards touchdown I would be fine picking up ty johnson taking a flyer on him See if he comes through next week as well if michael carter's out and james robinson doesn't start I'm not gonna ignore 14 carries and over 100 scrimmage yards from zonovan knight Right like i'm not gonna just ignore that. I do think ty johnson's heard pickup But zonovan was involved and maybe they were just seeing what they had in a rookie and a game where they felt like They had it under control But what they got wasn't bad like over 100 scrimmage yards in his debut you're pretty happy with that got like 30 plus 30 plus in the air 60 plus on the ground I think he's worth a stash pick him up See if this offense keeps rolling with mike white under center and zonovan knights the guy they decide to give the work to He'll be startable. He'll be rb2 rb3 territory I just want to say zonovan knight one more time just so we can say zonovan knight as many times as possible zonovan knight actually out targeted ty johnson three to two Caught all three of his passes as well. So um, I think I'll leave with you simon. I think they're both somebody need to keep an eye on but 14 carries is is not something you can ignore very easily So I'm I'm with you definitely something even though he sounds like a madden creative player He's definitely somebody you should keep an eye on he sounds like a retro ball like a retro ball player like that's where the names are Where they're just a little bit off like that's where I feel like I've seen zonovan knight. Yep I feel like only zonovan knight in here Was it your dungeons and dragons uh fantasy league there? Oh, that would be that would be a great name is zonovan knight You could you could be a paladin named zonovan knight or something like you could put together an awesome An awesome character with that name He's making up words On the bare side of the ball. You really can't take a ton away because trevor simion was starting Um, David Montgomery looked pretty good 14 carries 79 yards He got some usage in the passing game as well four targets three catches for 34 yards He's locked and loaded as our back in rb1 for me the rest of the season. What do you guys think? I Get him in there every single week with cleo herbert on the ir you play him every single week Yeah, and he could even have a better day just uh trevor simion is trevor simion and he just over through some guys um, it was just it was The funny part about trevor simion starting as bears fans were thrilled trevor simion got the start They thought up until 15 minutes for kickoff that nathan peterman was going to be the guy stepping out under center So the idea that trevor sim like it was like a oh, thank god trevor simion's the starter and And I thought for them. I think it could have gone worse with peterman under center Our friend lidelians, um put out a tweet and she was right. It's pretty sad though Trevor simion is probably still the best quarterback that the broncos have started since paint manning retired Based on performance on the field while they've been on the team Right career-wise obviously it's russell wilson bridge water I probably still go trevor simion. He had some pretty big games. So it's uh teddy b You know love to teddy two gloves, but I think simion had some pretty good game But even the head is a conversation says everything you need to know 100 um, but chase claypool actually got some targets He um, yeah, it was right behind colcomat Five five targets two catches for 51 yards made some pretty pretty impressive catches as well I still don't think he's somebody you should really be that excited about I was hoping for a better season for him But whether it's trevor simion or justin fields his team just doesn't throw the ball enough I will say with um darno mooney going down with an injury. He would step in as the wide receiver won um If darno mooney does miss time we'll still wait to hear from that but Pass catcher wise colcomat's really the only guy that i'm interested in Uh, what about you guys? Same school commeter bust. I just don't want to plug chase claypool and I don't have any faith or any reliability in any of these other receiving options with the low pass volume that the spares offense has Yeah, I was scared off of comet today and I actually went out and picked up logan thomas and started him instead I made the wrong decision, but it's not like colmet comet went out and had a banger game So right i'm not too excited about anyone else in the spares passing game until maybe justin fields comes back I think that's one of those decisions right process wrong result. I think you made the right call Especially trevor simion on your center. Well, bates got the touchdown for washington Right and that should have been logan thomas Should have been logan thomas on guys We're gonna move on to our next game here the carolina panthers beating down on the aphor mentioned denver broncos 23 to 10 in this one Yeah, pulling it up one second. Sorry about that. Oh good Yep, so panthers seemingly dominated today As they held at least a two touchdown lead for the last quarter and a half of this game Uh, they ended up winning 23 10 to improve to four and eight The broncos fall to three and eight and out of playoff contention In the division with the buccaneers lost in cleveland carolina is technically still alive in the nfc south Which i mentioned earlier, which is very very sad for me as a buccaneers But it's a reality sadly i've been there with the giant the nfc east a few years ago We were in the same exact situation. It's like, yeah, i want to go to the playoffs Do i really want to win this division now? It's you guys heard That year the seahawks went with a seven and nine team and the playoffs and they won complaining and they won That was the beast beast quake game. Yeah with the march on lynch. Yeah, absolutely Everybody's like, oh, they don't belong there and and they beat the drool breeze led new orland saints As they did was that the hold my game? With march on jumping backwards in the end zone. Yeah, because that wasn't the beast quake I mean didn't you do that after the beast quake? Yeah same game Hold my phone is what he said for anyone hold my phone. Yeah i did you more Yeah, oh Hold door DJ more opened the game with a five-yard touchdown pass from sam darnold DJ more finished with four receptions for 103 yards and a touchdown And we've seen what this pair panthers offense looks like led by sam darnold Do you see today's performance from dj more something you can expect going forth? Or is he still not to be trusted jay? I expect nothing. Sorry. I know you said jay, but as a dj more lover here I'm cutting you off jay because I got to jump in here. This was great. I love to see it But unless I see it again, I'm not going to expect this from dj more with sam darnold under center We've seen sam darnold lead this panthers team and it hasn't always looked like this like it's looked pretty rough previously so Maybe it's a slight bump up for dj more, but i'm not expecting this every single week He scored his fourth touchdown. That's what he does. He's probably done with touchdowns for the season I thought about that too when I saw Uh, but i'm with you saman I know you've really interrupted me, but that's okay because I know you're very passionate about dj more I think sam darnold under center is the best case scenario for dj more's value But you simply can't trust anybody on this offense other than leviscus chanel jr. Of course I didn't put anything in here about him. I'm sorry Uh, this is um, I'm legally obligated to say his name anytime I see it, so Sam darnold today 11 for 19 164 yards passing and a touchdown and hey look he had a rushing touchdown So his day wasn't a complete disappointment. It wasn't it was a more of a rolling touchdown. I don't know if you saw it I did see it. Oh did the alligator roll into the end zone. It was a large rolled It was just sam darnold Yeah Donta foreman though 24 carries 113 yards rushing We were poo pooing him on him all morning and he ended up turning in a good game Uh, it's fourth hundred yard. Uh, plus game of the season Um, and he has started six games the panthers are still in the playoff hunt Is form gonna start going forward? Man, I did not like this match up for him. It was a very tough matchup defensively So I thought he was gonna get shut down, but what i'm looking at I went back Whenever I see something and I was just so off base on what happened. I like to go back and look And deonta foreman, it wasn't that the teams that he got shut down against were great run defenses They were games where the carolina panthers went down big early whenever they're not down big regardless They want to keep on feeding deonta foreman They want to run the ball in this panthers offense and they were up in this game So that was the game plan and they kept doing it and it kept on working. So um deonta foreman at this point I'm not so much looking at the like running back defense matchup Or like how good of a run deed is this opposing team have of course that'll factor into it I'm looking at the game script. I'm looking at how do I expect the panthers to play in this game If the panthers are going to be even moderately competitive Then I think deonta foreman's a must start It's the games where you expect them where they're two touchdown underdogs where i'm not plugging deonta foreman and anymore But he proved me wrong today Simon this morning I asked you right before we the last time we poo pooed on him I said simon what is the overunder in this game point total? And then I said I wonder if this is one of those games where it's going to be low scoring They just both run it down each other's throats And I should have I should have taken that train Of thinking and gone with that because that ended up being kind of what happened today Exactly what happened Yeah, but I I didn't I didn't put my chips on that I put them somewhere else and therefore I was wrong So I can't say all the panthers are on a buy-in week 13 That's seattle pittsburgh detroit and tampa bay rest of the season I don't see I know seattle has had an explosive offense, but I could see it being you know I don't see them running away With a huge game. I think that uh I think foreman's a start the rest of the season I think you have to you know Understand that if they are out of the game very early that you could wind up with a goose egg or less than five points But um like like you said simon they want to run the ball They want to give him the ball and try to hide whoever's under center at quarterback So I think with that those matchups. I think he's fine as an rb2 or flex play I agree with you completely and that bucks matchup you would think would be and it is tough on paper But it's a divisor matchup and we've already seen foreman just show out against the bucks this year. Yeah, so On the broncos side of the ball the broncos played on their heroes from most of the day Two bright spots of the broncos today Latavius murray finished with 14 total touches from 98 total yards and courtland Sutton Finished six receptions 75 yards. So 13.5 ppr fantasy points nothing to turn your nose up at the fact that you said that that was a bright spot Says everything you need to know about the broncos for this season. I bet like literally I'm not disagree with you whatsoever I completely agree but that's just like that's you know, what everybody thought the broncos can be myself included and you know six for 75 is a good game for courtland Sutton, man, it's like Ripping my underpants and then calling the skid mark the bright spot like that's not what made me throw them away Though they were still perfectly good after that Absolutely speaking of skid marks. Russell wilson continues to look dreadful this year Uh 19 for 35 142 yards passing and a touchdown He is I he's someone else. I don't know what happened to him Are they like who did they steal his powers like space jam like what what is going on like? I don't get it man. I don't know if it was an offensive lineman or defensive player came on the sideline and like reamed him out Because I don't know if russia wilson said something to him on the field the announcers were kind of talking about it But I mean he got in russia wilson's face and that team That's good. Thank you. I could still have a job Like he better be getting fired this there's no way that the broncos move on from russia wilson and trade them Is there no, I think they've given up too much for him. I think that that nathaniel hack it whether it Deserve only so seems like he should be the scapegoat. Um, I think they'll I just can't believe that russia wilson has fallen off this hard this quick. I think that I think they're gonna at least go with another year because they just i'm into a huge contract too So I mean, I think they're they're nobody's They're not gonna give up Based on what they gave up and what they put into them. I think that at least another year No, when you see teams struggling this hard that you expected to be very good The coach For the quarterback generally takes the fall when we look at the case of the raiders Look where the money is they've got so much invested in josh mc daniels That I bet derrick car is the guy who takes the fall for the raiders. I bet this will be pinned on derrick car He won't be the quarterback there next year and josh mc daniels will come back the broncos It's the opposite situation though. I feel like they've got way more invested in their quarterback and russia wilson being the guy to Turn this around So I bet hack it's the guy who takes the fall Hack it and I think deservedly so not to take the blame off of russ who has played awful But I want to see him out there next year with a different head coach. Yeah, hopefully we get some old school russ back Can we get pete carol? He's getting a little up there in age, you know that that rocky mountain air is good for You know your breathing and stuff. Let's come on beat come on down We got a we got you can't run in here saying wilson and rogers need to retire I don't think they need to retire, but we'll see uh, they have not looked at the rumor that they're saying that The swat might be erin rogers to los vegas For derrick car and reunite rogers with davante adams. They said that's good The only way that davante would want to stay if they got rid of their, uh, I always say david car derrick car Derrick car, you just love david car. Also before we move on to the next game dj had a question for us About this dember bronco team wants to know are dulcet and Sutton the only reliable pass catchers in dember Or would you add hinting to the mix joey? How do you feel about these players? Um, I'd like dulcet and I like Sutton rest of season for russia wilson to throw the ball to hinting You know, I I'm not maybe is like a bench Bench player, but I wouldn't even put him in as a flex at this point Yeah, I'm with you. It's those are the two guys i'm starting. What about you jay? I don't think you can even consider dulcet's reliable. I like him a lot, but I mean Three catches for two. Excuse me two catches for 11 yards four catches for 30 one for 11 He he's only had one touchdown on the season I mean, he's in the glob. He's somebody that I think you're okay starting as a tight end streamer And you're basically hoping you get a touchdown Yeah, he had one called back today. Yeah, and I needed it desperately. It really hurt Me too, but that's okay guys We're gonna move on to our next game the jacksonville jaguars Taken down the baltimore ravens on a ballsy gopher 2 call at the end of this game to win it And we'll get into all the fantasy implications But the first thing I want to hit on from this game This felt like The trevor lorenz coming out party. He looked so freaking good this game He looked so in control and then him to go down and lead a game winning drive against the lamar jackson led ravens Like he led that drive. That was trevor lorenz That was his magnum opus of his nfl career so far and then to cap it off of the two point conversion to win the game This really did feel like maybe a turning point for trevor lorenz and how he's looked in the nfl Did you guys get the same vibes watching this game?  That's what uh, whoa There we go. Yeah, I I don't know why but I was watching that live and I don't know if you saw it as it happened But I imagined when he made that touchdown throw. I just saw simon jumping out of his chair Yeah, his hair just flowing in the wind in slow motion. It was absolutely beautiful But yeah, I mean he looked under control. He This is the trevor lorenz that everybody expected and you know, it's not like Baltimore has been the dominant defense that they have of the past few years But there's still a pretty decent defense And I mean he's doing it with guys like zay jones jimichael hasty christian kirk travis etn went down early in this game Um, so he had to take this team on his back and he did it was it was really awesome to see Yeah, I was hyped to see a 29 for 37 320 in yards and three touchdowns Joey's trevor lorenz and every week started the quarterback position Absolutely if the matchups there, I would start them. I mean That that's kind of what I feel about like trevor lorenz and derrick. I mean, he's a step above derrick car now Um, and jimmy gropp was yeah, he's the top 12 quarterback rest of the week. I think he's a start I just yeah, I had to do it in my head real quick. Yeah He's up there. Um j you mentioned travis etn went down early So jimichael hasty kind of took over as the lead back in this offense 12 carries for only 28 yards on the ground Not great But he had five targets turning into five receptions for 67 yards through the air and a touchdown, which was a pretty one Um, joey, is jimichael hasty someone you're interested in and picking up off the waiver wire in case etn misses time Absolutely if travis etn's out even if he's not out, I'll probably be spending a little bit of fab on him It's at that point in the year where if you're losing someone like travis etn You probably don't have much on behind them right now So you you want to grab one one of the hitters players out there to like him. Absolutely Yeah, he's one of the higher priority waiver wire guys for me this week. What about you j The only thing I will say is uh, they did just trade for drayl henderson and he he did not play But he'll definitely get in the mix as well. I still prefer to michael hasty But you know, I might not see quite as many carries. He's still excited about what he got, uh, what happened through the passing game Do we get any word on what's up with etn? Just any update. Not that I've heard. I'll take a look while we're discussing the game On the other side of the ball for the baltimore ravens lamar jackson put up a decent game You were fine with it around the 20, uh, fantasy points into four point for passing touchdown league Um, but not the lamar jackson game winning performance that maybe people were hoping for 16 for 32 A 254 yards and a touchdown through the air then added 89 yards rushing on the ground which will save you for fantasy It's the secret weapon. Um gust edwards first game back comes in 16 carries 52 yards on the ground and a touchdown Got the full workload in this one kenyon drake sit down only two carries for two yards Joey is kenyon drake droppable with gusts back now Oh Do we lose simon j can you hear me? Can you hear me? You're back. I think I know you were going. Can we drop? I didn't lose simon at all. Oh, I lost simon I was lost just in general so that could have been on my end and rattle cobs us There you go. Absolutely. Yeah, I it's one maybe the only move I made right today was putting gusts edwards above kenyon drake And I think kenyon drake is droppable going forth Uh, what we saw from the gust bus today looked really good. Looks like the rubber b1 in this offense the rest of season This is what I was worried about. I said to hold on to kenyon drake like hold on to him But this baltimore ravens team when gusts has been healthy Has done nothing but show us how much they love gusts edwards like they love gusts edwards And there's a reason why it's because he's a great running back This wasn't necessarily the best outing from an efficiency standpoint for him But they're going to keep on pounding the ball with him. Jay. Do you agree? Oh, what's up, joey? I was going to say something funny jay said to him about football Football football football. What was funny? That was pretty good. Jay. Um, I I think I agree with that take right there I'll take I will add to jk dobbins supposed to come back as well So I think that yeah because gusts edwards is healthy jk dobbins back Kenyon drake really won't have a role that you can rely on for fantasy No, no Um, as far as the receivers go we saw some surprises some of the usual suspects mark andrew's seven targets four receptions 50 yards But it was josh oliver into shawn jackson that surprised me a little bit in today's game josh oliver six targets four receptions 76 yards and a touchdown Joey is this a Flash in the pan a one game performance or are you paying attention to this tight end performance from josh oliver? I'm not paying it to it. You want to know what this was? He was going against the jaguars He's a former jaguar. This is a vinge game narrative Um, I don't think we see a game like this out of josh oliver rest of season I'm really glad for him that he had this game today for him personally Hang the jersey up on his wall got back at his old team, but i'm not sure You love a revenge game narrative. I love it. They're great Absolutely like 2023 like that's gonna be my thing like linda's got kickers. I'm gonna have the revenge game going game by game I'm finding them all just to wait I'm I bet I just have this feeling that there's gonna be way more every single week than we think Like there's gonna be way more revenge games than we think and it's gonna make it so much more fun to watch Yeah, like just knowing all of them every time I see a player do something in a revenge come Yes, suck it other team. I can't wait for the denver broncos versus jacksonville jaguar urban mire revenge game narrative when he's coaching the broncos Yeah, I'm about to kick you off the show just for willing that into existence He's going back to ohio state. Everybody wants him back in ohio state. Really good. They lost the mission Yo, ohio state fans that are calling for ryan day to get fired get over yourself. He has been unbelievable For that program Unbelievable. Um, and you guys are still in the playoff hunt even with that loss. I wouldn't count your odds out yet Um, dj in here wanted to ask about the other wide receiver said to shan jackson is back And he's only going to get better moving forward on in the future with the ravens Joey, do you agree with dj's take here on to shan jackson? He had some big place today He did he had a 62 yard reception. Um, I I'm I'm probably just keeping to shan john to shan jackson on my bench if I have him Um in leagues where you have like three flexes you can roll them out there in a bi week Anything more than that. I just this ravens receiving group is is all kind of like a glob What about shan johnson? Did I say to shan jackson? He said johnson at first, but who's the shan johnson? I like don johnson He was great. I'm doing the rock johnson But yeah, I'm with you joey. You're basically if you throw it out to shan jackson, you're hoping for a long touchdown. That's pretty much it I've been tongue-tied all day. It happened all morning Well, joey when you google to shan johnson, it doesn't correct you and the very first thing that comes up is to shan jackson's wikipedia article Without google correcting you. So I don't think you're the first person to say to shan johnson And just automatically You google listening in Um, no with the shan jackson I tend to agree with you guys you could get a big game if you guess that big play You're probably going to be happy if he doesn't then you're probably not going to be happy um Oh, let's go ahead I was going to say devin duvernay and demarcus robinson was the big debate as far as the receivers go today And both of them pretty disappointing five targets three receptions 23 yards for duvernay and four targets one reception 17 yards for Demarcus robinson jay, can you start either of these ravens receivers? Not really not with any confidence. I mean demarcus duvernay. I know people were excited about him at the beginning of the year But I mean he dropped some easy passes that were right to him If I had to choose between the two I'd probably go to marcus robinson Even though he only had one catch today, but I'm looking elsewhere if all possible. I really would not want to start either one of these guys Joe you have any more optimism about either of those two pass catchers for the ravens No Absolutely not Next question And what I was going to say earlier was that um, I did see an update for travis etn Straight from travis etn himself. I quote. I'll be straight for next week So take that take that for what it's worth According to travis etn. He will be good for next week. What if he's got a cut so he can only run straight That's right. He'll just be running in straight lines next week But at the very least he got him for those runs out there We're going to move on to another game here now the next game. I wanted to talk about was the scintz and natty bangles tennessee titans game Let me get that one pulled up It was pretty exciting game. Um, and I just lost my notes. So bear with me real quick There we go. Joe burrow had a pretty solid game. I believe if I could get my notes Yeah, there it is. It's um T. Higgins went off nine nine targets seven catches 114 yards and a touchdown man. He just he some of the catches he made Joe burrow just put it on like there was nowhere else. He could have put that ball just absolutely perfect pass the defender T. Higgins is Like we've said joey He's a wide receiver one whether chamar chases out there or not Um, he's somebody you can depend every week week in week out, especially with um the way that the Joe burrow has been throwing the ball this season Tyler Boyd had a little bit of a disappointing day. Everybody was hoping for a little more Uh, yeah two catches for 16 yards Really Tyler Boyd. I think people he's people are wanting him to be more than he really is Uh, I think as simon is if you said multiple times over the past few years If it's a good matchup versus a slot, that's what you when you want to get Tyler Boyd in Um, Hayden Hurst really stepped up though with nine targets six catches and 57 yards I think he's he's firmly in the tight end glob like we've talked about somebody who you know, you're Happy if you get double digit points, you know, if you get a touchdown, you're ecstatic and that that's pretty much the gist of it within Um to your point. Okay, so far this season just from a receiving yards perspective The titans are giving up the third fewest receiving yards to slot wide receivers on opposing teams So this uh performance you probably could have seen coming You were hopeful that with more volume which mar chase out that he would overcome that but Dude is a slot receiver. He's one of the best at what he does in the nfl But that's his role and if it's a bad matchup zack taylor is going to go elsewhere He loves finding the matchup that works on this offense and exploiting it So that means when it's not that matchup, you're not going to be the one who's getting used for that role Yeah And so my jp ryan everybody was hyped up on him with joe mixon out and he performed 17 carries 58 yards a receiving touchdown Also chipped in four catches for 35 yards Not a huge week, but I mean for somebody who picked up off the waiver wire You are more than happy with a performance like that almost 20 fantasy points and ppr leaks I'm not sure about joe mixon if he's going to be able to be back next week Haven't heard if he's out of concussion protocol. So P ryan, I think I mean he was already somebody that was somewhat usable Even with joe mixon back in in the fold So I think p ryan is somebody you definitely whether mixon's back Keep them on your team stash them on your bench if you can Because you know, we've seen where players the these concussions can linger sometimes. So Another player we poo pooed on all morning who came out and had a pretty good game It was those tough matchups that scared us away though. P ryan. We were more confident in Yeah, we we didn't like poo poo on p ryan. We're like kind of like farted. We pee peeed on p ryan. Yeah, we did Do you see who they have next week since an addy? No, who do the bangles have next week? Kansas City?   So not somebody i'm trying to force into my lineup, but I think you could definitely do worse um On the tight end side of the ball derrick henry at a disappointing day Um, he did have 79 receiving yards on three catches, but on the ground only chipped in about 38 yards no touchdowns just uh And he looks good, but this offense should have had a touchdown Yeah, he did all the work ran all the way down there like the one yard line ripped on the one trailing berks That's how he got his first nfl touchdown recovered the fumble in the end zone I know all the derrick henry and they even said it on the the broadcaster like all the Derrick Henry fantasy managers out there have to be disappointed with that. It was uh, Definitely a tilt worthy moment but trailing berks he Recovered that touchdown at four catches for 70 yards Is he somebody that you guys think is worth starting the rest of the season or somebody who's really just more revenge dash for now I want to see the snap counts for this game. I want to see how much he was on the field It felt like he was on the field a lot more than he has in the past couple weeks Like just watching eye test But I want to see those final numbers and if we're seeing him on the field 75 80 85 plus percent of the snaps And he's an every week start for me at this one because he's been getting the target volume over the past couple weeks He's a rookie wide receiver stepping into this role like it takes time to develop I'll buy in if that dude was on the field for that around that 80 percent of the snap range Good Yeah, absolutely. I'm with you Yeah, if if ryan tannell is going to throw the ball 34 times a game, which I don't see him doing I want trailing berks on the field. I actually one of my teams. Absolutely um, but like Simon said I want to see the snap counts and I don't see the I don't see the titans passing this much when you have derrick henry like Hmm, absolutely. It's the derrick henry show this offense is derrick henry and derrick henry first But that doesn't mean they can't support a fantasy relevant wide receiver and berks is worth that shot for me I think we're on the same page there We've got the expositiveness that you want to see from a player like that Absolutely Also dj coming in st. Tana held it as normal garbage time play Time to cut kais with tenancy already and play the backup in tenancy He wants them to get malik willis in there.  Yeah, would you keep rolling out tana? How yeah, they're still firmly in the playoff hunt should win their division I think you still have to go with the vet Well, uh, I like malik willis long term, but he just didn't show enough when he got the opportunity Absolutely not Guys everyone who came in and hang out with us today I want to thank you guys so much for taking the time on your sunday night It's coming break down these games with us. We've got the packers eagles game kicking off Any minute now so we want to make sure everyone gets over there in time to watch that Absolutely, but again, thank you so much for joining us and if you enjoyed what we're doing over here Drop a like on this video on facebook on youtube and hit that subscribe button if you're watching on youtube Because fan duel has a whole team of killer Consecrators guys that are going to be helping you throughout the rest of this season Helping you guys win some money and win your leagues If you want to hang out with us a little bit more tomorrow morning We will be live on our youtube channel or on the better sports network app For the front yard fantasy morning show so come on over and hang out with us then until tomorrow morning though We are out of here. Enjoy your sunday night Jay joey and everybody else adios Bye everybody


Oh, who is the best odds to win MVP all of a sudden? Oh, weird, weird, weird, weird. Jack Prescott does, and the Cowboys put on a show last night in Jerry World. We've got a big show here on Up and Adams to Shawn Jackson on the program, a perfect guess for today, following an Eagles loss, their second. And of course, we'll have Taylor Lawan to break down all of the Kansas City Chiefsie things going on in this complicated thing. I've got Hamilton here. I flew Hamilton, and why? Because he has to explain the tiebreaker implications to me. I'm that, you're that beautiful mind, Zach Alfinakis, when he's breaking down like this stuff in the hangover. I don't want to understand the tiebreaker situation of this bedlam that has become the NFC and the AFC really. You fought against it pretty hard for years now, but this AFC one is the weirdest one I've ever seen with what's going on right now. You got six teams tied for those two spots. Same records. Yeah. That's all weird, yeah. Here's in the building, guys. Let's get into what happened late last night. Eagles could not get it done. They got beat up by the Cowboys. No offensive touchdown. Like I had an anytime touchdown situation for Jalen. Thought that was easy. Nope, didn't happen. Seventh win in the last eight games for Dallas. And like we were talking about, lots of implications. Let's dig in. We got Hammer all over it. The Cowboys have taken over first place in the NFC. He's interesting quirk to all of this, though. If both the Cowboys and Eagles win out, the Eagles would still end up winning the division. And because of that, and a very tough Dallas schedule, the Eagles were still, you know, pretty sizable favorites to do so at plus 320 over at Fandalo Sportswik, even after taking those back-to-back. Am I gonna call them a loss? Losses?  Back-to-back beat downs. It also means that the Niners have taken over the number one spot in the NFC overall. Philly and Dallas, same record at 10 and three. Niners, eight and one conference record. That gives them the edge there and they do control their own fate here. Win out and they get the first round by. Their odds to win the NFC are now just plus 120, almost even money there. But as for this game, it was yet another entry into the Dak Prescott MVP case outside of that one fumble. He was amazing. He was on fire.  Over the last seven games, he's an NFL best six and one. 22 touchdowns, just two picks. No one else has more than 14 touchdowns over that span. And he's second to only Brock Purdy in both yards and passer rating as well. This one wasn't just about Dak though. And you love to see it if we're talking about these Cowboys getting in, making some noise, doing all that. Stefan Gilmore, okay? Super Bowl bonafide champion. Cowboys snag him away from Indy 4, fifth round of this off season. This is as good as we have ever seen him. And I saw him a lot when I was in New England. We talked about it back when Trayvon Diggs got injured. And that was back in September. Getting Gilmore was, whether or not Gilmore was going to work out and be successful, that was going to make or break Dallas. He was the best player on the field last night. He forced fumbles, he made big third down tackles. He gave Adia Brown fifth. It was a clinic and shades of his DPOY season that we all watched him have back in 2018 in New England. And it wasn't just him, it was Brandon Aubrey. We love special teams on this show. Brandon Aubrey's ability to make kicks from the moon, from wherever he is, from the locker room, it is so like FU, like whatever. He changes the complexion of the game early, puts his foot down, sets the tone. And basically, that means this team just has to pass the 50 and like kick up their feet and relax and you know who's going to do it. He's a rookie. This kid's a rookie. 59, 60, he adds two others as well to put him 30 for 30 on the air. He doesn't miss it. It kind of scares me when he's perfect. Cause like, we have a, you know. Especially later and later you get in the season. It's going to happen. It's going to get cold. Don't do this, Brandon Aubrey. No, we are for Brandon Aubrey and make Elliot and all of that. But that's, I mean, how long is that streak going to get? Okay, anyway, we'll get to the eagle side of things a little bit later in the show. But yeah, for this morning, you know, busting with the boys is for the boys. Where about the cowboys on the program today?