The whole political, social, and economic sector of the society is mostly based on answers to different questions. Indeed, the debate which we will be in the world today into activism and democracy is about a flicker of a question, what is man? Whether it is the pause in the wheel of the... Hello sir, you are not quite audible sir. You are not quite audible sir, please sir. Yes sir, thank you. Thank you. I request all of you to please kindly switch off your mic. And there may be connectivity issue, so kindly bear. Thank you. Okay, so let us start once again. Good afternoon one and all, I am your host Dr. Aniruddha Babar. Once again, welcome you all to this yet another session of Dot Talks Webinar Series, organized by Setso College. What is man that thou art mindful of him? This question flowing from the lips of the inquisitive soul is one of the most important questions facing any generation. The whole political, social, and economic structure of any society is largely determined by its answers to this pressing question. Indeed, the conflict which we witness in the world today between the totalitarianism and democracy is at bottom a conflict over the question, what is man? Whether man is a cog in the wheel of the state or whether he is a free creative being capable of facing responsibility. In our generation, the asking of this question has grown to extensive proportions. But though there is widespread agreement in asking the question, there is fantastic disagreement in answering it. A few modern thinkers would probably agree with the writer of yesterday who spoke of man as a supreme clown of creation. Others would probably share the materialistic thinking of the recent writer who described man as a chemical laboratory driven by sex symbols. Others would probably join in with the optimism of Shakespeare's Hamlet. What a piece of work is man. How mobile in reason, how infinite in faculty, in form and moving, how express and admirable, in action, how like an angel, in apprehension, how like a god, the beauty of the world, the paragon of animals. Still, others would agree with Thomas Carlisle in saying, there are depths in man that go to the lowest hell and heights that reach the highest heaven for are not both heaven and hell made out of him everlasting miracles and mystery and mystery that he is. So the question. What is man has been haunting me since years and must have been haunting you as well. So today we have a very fantastic person with us. That is Mr US Pande. Mr Pande is going to elaborate and explore this question with his knowledge and wisdom of years. Mr Pande is a graduate in engineering from University Roorkee, which is now known as IIT Roorkee. Join Indian Railway Service of Engineers and retire from the position of additional director general. Life member of Theosophical Society, its international speaker and also president of Uttar Pradesh and Uttara Confederation of the Society. Theosophical Society is a worldwide organization founded in the year 1875 and works for spiritual and social reforms. First object of the society is to form a nucleus of universal brotherhood without distinction of race, caste, color, creed and sex. Mr Pande delivers talks on Theosophical themes in various forums, including colleges and universities within and outside the country. He has been a member of Board of Transparency in the United India. He is also dated with some of the social activities also. So Mr Pande will be covering this talk as to man's identity, as of described and understood differently by size, times, religious cultures, etc. And above all, him says. So the description, importance of the question, who am I? As of our investigation by negation, attraction, humiliation or expansion. Man's double ample nature set was three more than for a mortal man. The inner intrepid attributes man his position and role in the whole news and even benefits non-visual society. Man has become human, human and superhuman or perfect man. Co-worker, director, in progress and manatee, all this is going to be a very exciting talk. This is going to be a part of the investigation. My friends, please pay attention. Now I request Mr Pande, we are eager to hear you. Okay, Dr. Nruthbaba, dear residents and faculty members of the Ketso College, Imapur, other friends from the Northeast and also our friends from this side of the country. I welcome all to this program, which is nearing by Ketso College. And before that, I extend my warm greetings to all of you. I'm happy to see that a lot of young faces, students of the college are joining this program. It shows that the question or the point which we are going to explore in this talk is not only interesting to the older generation, but to younger generation also. In fact, in my experience with interaction with some of the children, I feel that even some of the children are interested in this question. Because there is a reason that, as we explained, the present level of evolution of human being, where the logic, where the intellect is being increased at a very rapid rate. So a lot of questions do come in the mind of human being right from the age when he comes of the age. And that's why today's children are very inquisitive, very questioning and that is a very good sign. We should not suppress that, we should rather encourage that. Though their questions may be sometimes uncomfortable to us or elder generation. So Dr. Babba has already given a brief background of the USP society and the USP, but nevertheless, since there are many young persons joining this and many of them are non-members, I will first briefly enumerate about the USP society and the USP, then I will go to the topic. USP society as Dr. Babba said that it was founded in 1875 precisely in November in New York by Helena Petrov-Brodsky, who was a recent lady and Colonel Cort was an American and 14-15 people more. But they were outer founders. The inner founders were two great sages living in Himalaya and Tibet, Indian sages. And they had inspired Madame Blorsky and Colonel Cort. At that time, and purpose was to a spiritual and social transformation of humanity to bring a new line of thinking because they already felt that time that human beings are involved in so many differences and disputes and quarrels and prejudices, dogmatism, superstitious religious belief. So purpose was to bring on the right time and man should be clear of all these things so that he can proceed on the path of evolution which is destiny and which is goal, that being perfect man. So that was the purpose. So that's where the goal, first goal was that first object was to create a nucleus of inverse of brotherhood without any distinction of race or sex, creed, etc. And nationality barrier also. And second was to encourage comparative study of science, religion and philosophy in an integrated manner. And third was to investigate hidden laws of nature and dating potential human being. Now this potential world is very important, very keen and we see some of the points regarding this in today's talk. And the philosophy itself basically consists of two words, Tos and Sofia. That means Tos means divine or God, Tos means wisdom. So it is divine wisdom. So it is not a new, it is an ancient wisdom which has been known to cities and process and ancient of all the civilizations in every country. We need India, China, Mexico, this Maya civilization and all those things have been known. But we do forget at certain stage of evolution and that's why time and again persons of higher intelligence, higher spirituality come in the world to remind common people like us that there is such a wisdom and we have to understand that our path and we have to go on that so that we can reach our destiny properly. Sir, may I request to find this week of the video? Yes sir, because there is a connectivity issue, your voice is not clear so kindly switch off video and then continue. Okay, absolutely. So for that purpose only the various prophets in Karnatian and high saints come, like Krishna, Buddha, Jesus Christ, Muhammad, all they come to remind us that there is some wisdom which we have brought in. And in that, in for that purpose a Theosco society was formed only for that purpose by the great, brother of great association of the schedule which overlooks the evolution of humanity and research. So these worldwide organizations Theosco society, we have got branches in more than 70 countries, branches we call sections and India we have got and then we have got federations in India, about 16 federations, various states. Assam Weaver Federation and Dr. Babar is one of the very active members there. So this is the brief introduction of Theosco and Theosco society and Theosco one more point it comprises wisdom which is already the essence of all the religions and these are by the ancient religion, modern religion and it also has been called the foundation of the future religion of humanity. All the religions has evolved from it, a part of it and finally when they get perfected they will follow this dream. So all the teachers, ancient teachers, world teachers, they mentioned, they come to tell us the part of the wisdom depending upon the time and space where they come, they only modify their language so that the people of that time, of that age and that age understand them. But it so happens many times that people do not understand like it happened in the case of Jesus Christ, even Buddha so they feel a position also of that time but of the centuries and people realize that what they have said that was correct and then people appreciate. So with this brief introduction I will come to the talk now the topics, the points which I propose to cover, the man's identity as described by the society, by the family, science, religious, scriptures, philosophies and above all by the human and herself. Then pitfalls of self descriptions or the identification, then the importance of the question who am I and the process of answering it, that is by negation, by affirmation, there can be two process, by negation, by affirmation and then man's devil nature, triple nature, secondary nature and briefly cover and then what is the role of man in the whole esteem of evolution, how he can contribute, how he can explore his hidden potential powers and so that he can benefit himself and also the fellow human being, not only fellow human being, fellow features, whole creation. So purpose is that man has to become human. They are different from man and human, I will explain to you later and then humane human he has become and then perfect man. This is the journey. So at present esteem most of the people at this stage are man. When I say man is human also, we do not take it as man because it is a common man. When anywhere man is human it is women also because it is stage of evolution, stage of consciousness. We are not talking about gender difference, sex difference. So coming to the topic, how he is identified in the physical world. When a child is born or even before born when it is conceived, the family members act and in fact after birth the first thing the doctor or nurse attending on the mother announces a waiting relative outside that a boy or girl is born. So first identification comes from a man with a sex, a gender, why a girl? And then the name according is given according to tradition. Wherever country, India, Europe, America the name is given by the family according to the gender. Then the family believes in astrology, they consult some priest and he gives some name according to duodic in which the child is born. That becomes identity. And then when he grows up, he goes to school, the family name is added, all that forms his identity. Later on when he or she joins some profession, say engineer or doctor, advocate or professional or businessman, his auntie in society becomes that. His engineer is a doctor. People generally forget the family name. They identify doctors, engineers, professors and all those things. So that becomes a thing.  Even if they retire from this, people identify him, he retires certain stuff. So that identity gets attached to him, that she's society knows. Then biology defines and aggregates of the various systems like muscular, nervous, waist, bones, organs, heart, stomach and all those things. With a thinking and feeling best for a faculty. Institutional body is called social animal. In Darwin's evolution theory, man has evolved from animal. So he is at the top of the animal evolution, the highest form of evolution, objective evolution. So physical man is the highest development of animal life, that is also identification. Then it is also at his crown of the animal life on the earth. It is believed that it is true also that evolution is produced from the various kingdom like minimum, like plant, like animal, human being. The monad or the unit of consciousness or the soul produces to all the skin and finally arrives at human. It is not India see, but in objective world, finally arrives to the world and that's where it is the crown of the objective evolution. So these are the definitions from the social angle, from the worldly angle. Now, then when we think the man, he is a perfected animal, but there is one principle. We cannot think himself. We can react to our ideas, thinking, but we cannot think ourselves. So man has a better thinking capacity. So man is also a thinking animal. So if somehow we can make our animal to think, our dog or pet guy to think, we defined as man in this definition, but that is not so. There are so many other things. So these all these descriptions are incomplete. Now let us see what some of these scriptures say. These scriptures may be babbling, may be our planars, may be our other religion. We are a star and all those, they define man as sometimes as a temple. The temple, how? By the temple, the temple god, that who is the temple, who is god? That means the two things that are defined as our feast of body, the objective is being called temple or house. Something resigning in that temple is due. So I will just say, A, the temple of god, temple of god. But that is one definition. Other descriptions now, you are the kind of god. You are partial of, you are part of god and inner part of god.  But such ray and spark is not separated. When you see spark of god, there is difference. The spark from the flame goes away, it is quenched. But this is spark of human soul, it is not quenched. It is some kind of connection with the flame, which is god. That is why ray is probably a more appropriate definition in this terminology, ray of the sun. So many rays are there and each ray is a human being, the man. So all these are symbolical definitions because actual definitions will be much more elaborate. So our wise people try to define a simple way so that a common person can understand. So in one sense it is got image of god, god made man his own image. But when you see image, it means that god has our type of framework. Like our face, like our ear, like our eyes, our hands, it is not like that. It is some deepening. So they started making god as a resembling picture of man. Then the higher philosophies when we come, they describe a divine being. A divine being, a unit of divinity, a unit of consciousness. A unit of consciousness which comes defined. Consciousness is gone and out of that one unit is the human being. Sometimes we could drop in the ocean of consciousness. So all these are way of defining man. We start from the physical level to the spiritual level to the philosophical level and all that. And this question has been plaguing right from the ages. In the old Greek, there is a temple, the temple of Delphi, where on the entrance gate itself is written, man know thyself. And great sages have always put this question and all philosophy, whether defined by Jesus, by Krishna, by Buddha, emphasize this point man must know him. That is the Swadhava, Selfistic. He must study what is nature. Now every individual though have got common biological, common behavioral function at human level. They have got same organs, same blood vessels, same veins, same nervous system, same veins. But the way of thinking, tendency, habits of each man is different. Each man and women are different. There are so many men and women of the type in the world, as many tendencies as in habit. Somebody is saintly nature, somebody is spiritual nature, somebody is interested in any money, somebody interested in research, somebody interested in some other art, somebody interested in wages, somebody interested in agriculture, somebody gets very angry, somebody is very calm, somebody is loving nature, somebody is head full nature, so many various system. Somebody interested in technical professions, somebody interested in philosophy, somebody interested in politics. So so many natures and varieties come. So no human being is similar in this finer activity. But at physical level he appears to be similar, even two brothers and two sisters, even twin sisters and different interpretable, different capacity, ability. So all these will define identification. So at the top level it is the same as far. At the bottom level it is the same face, same one, same one. In between there is a lot of variation, factors, feeling, thinking, tendency, all these different. So how to make and how to comprehend of this thing and what purpose, what purpose, what to make, that we see. So what is the real man? This is the question and this is the problem. Every generation and everybody wants to know this thing. He may belong to any religion, he may belong, he or she may belong to any nation. A stage comes when a person wants to know. Even modern psychologists like Maslow also say a person when his basic needs are satisfied, he could drink and housing and clothing and partly also sucks. Then he inner desire is there that he should identify himself in society, in what position. He craves for that. Then with also satisfied party then he wants to know after what is his connection with the sufferer. He reads about angels, he reads about God and he wonders what am I in relation to them. Then during night when he sleeps and night clear he can see so many stars, so many galaxies. He wonders whether he is also some way related to these stars, these galaxies. And in that pursuit he may read astronomy, he may read philosophy. And he is with them his knowledge and his vision and his perception about his anti-global change. So now when we come to question and how to tackle this question before that some more descriptions I would like to put before you. So it is said man is that being in the universe in which highest spirit and lowest matter meet in the mind and intelligence. Man's physical body as you say is made of the material solid liquid as you see and that's why after the body either remitted or buried in this nature, this atmosphere. So physical body is the material world. Then everybody feels that there is spirit and these two are that come to the mind. So highest spirit and lowest matter joined by mind is man. The man is the state in unfolding of the ray of divine as I told you earlier is the ray of divine but in the process of evolution he unfolds his power, not evolution also. Later on we see how we consciously we can do in unconscious way. Each child right from the birth he or she starts unfolding his power. Once he or she learns to walk, learns to speak, learns to read and exposes the nature and he goes on acquiring knowledge, acquiring special things. Then he grows up, he goes on suffering, higher things like scientists, like a philosopher, like medical profession, all those things he exposes. So that is the state, the divine goes on doing that zone, goes on exploring, acquiring knowledge even in a normal way. Even in the interaction and talking to you or talking to me in a family, in a group, we are trying to unfold our powers, our power of speech, our power of perception, feeling and talking. Every moment we are unfolding our powers. But there is sometimes a stage comes in evolution when spirit and matter are struggling. The man is the state where spirit and matter are struggling with each other. Each of them is trying to dominate over each other. The physical body has got different interactions that matter. My material part of the person has got different tendencies than spiritual part of the different tendencies. For example, material part wants to become lazy, doesn't want to get disturbed. There is an emergency, somebody is housing fire. Any inner idea that I should rest and help the person to clean the fire, that is pretty direct. So there is always a struggle when the spirit and man will come to higher nature, lower nature. So these two nature, spirit and matter, are struggling in man, that is also described. One is trying to dominate each other and finally they get properly balanced. So man is a form of being in whom the self and non-self are balanced, non-self is material. Man and the self, self means inner self or spirit is balanced. That is the only real and theological definition of man. Not any specific form, not arrangement of head, arms, legs and so on. Man can be in any shape. On the earth we have got this shape, two bodies, two eyes, one nose, one mouth, two ears, all those things. We don't know, in other planets, man may have body of different limbs, different shape. But main definition comes, spirit and matter are trying to struggle, trying to balance and it is a thinking capacity. These are the basic parameters which will define man on any planet and he may have any shape and body. So, and these, and again, Anibiscent who was the leader of the philosophical base, he says the man is the better field of spirit and matter because spirit and matter are trying to dominate. And that's why in every column, even worldly problem, man has got minimum two choices, whether I should go this way or that way, whether I should do this profession or that profession, I should do this thing or not do this, minimum. They may have multiple choices, but basically two choices come and then that is the connection in the two choices what to choose. And here, as I told example, between lazy and rushing part to help somebody, so matter and spirit tries to struggle. And that's why she says the man is the Kurukshetra of the world, of the evolution. Kurukshetra is the famous place mentioned by where the Mahabharata world was formed. So Kurukshetra is the Kurukshetra of the whole evolution. So every soul is striving in this better field and whatever the man. So these are the definitions from the higher point of view. The man, again, one of the basic parameters is the changing entity. Again, man may be in any form on a different planet, but in a changing capacity, he will define man and besides that, he will have the spirit and matter struggling. So this comes to the Kurukshetra and basic definition of man. And then, how to, as a common person, common man and woman, when I bought this desire to know myself, real nature, real man, how to know about it to become that. As I told that outer man or physical man has the material part of that. The leaner man, which is called real man, which is real immortal man and we have to explore what is that. Now this is, again, defined as two, in a dual manner or triple manner. First, that first is defined body and soul or in triple way, spirit, soul and body. The body is our physical body, which everybody sees. Then soul is something subtler than that and spirit is a subtlest of that, which is just brooding what it is. So the purpose of evolution is to make our body function in tune with the nature of the spirit and we'll see how to go about it. The dual nature of man is also explained as higher nature and lower nature, which will also come again to be true. Before that, again, I'll give back the question, how to grow the inner man. So as I told you, man has got different bodies, different cultures. And I have mentioned you in a two-division, two-division, then there is septinary division. I mentioned in two-ascual iteration, man has seven principles, seven concepts. This physical body, which everybody sees, and money is what is called actual body in which our feelings and emotions arise. That body is made of matter, subtler than the physical matter, that is predicting about six inches from our physical body. And before that, there is a double what is called the mold in this major feature in which the physical body is formed. Then after I still body, there is a mental body, thinking function is done, there is an extremely subtler matter. Then there is what is called bodhic body, where intuition is developed for intuition functions. And then finally, there is arithmic body with the spirit overshadowed everything. So these are the more detailed type of description by defining the bodies. So having considered these construction of the body, let us see how to judge ourselves. So there are two ways, one is contraction, one is expansion, one is negation, one is acceptance also. So first of all, when we say, I am hungry, so what is hungry? Who is hungry? So we have two questions, who is hungry? Whether your mind is hungry, you are feeling hungry, your soul is hungry, you have to define it. So if you put this question, you will say that your stomach is hungry. That means your body is hungry, your body now, whatever energy that is getting exhausted, it wants more fuel, more energy, so body is hungry. So my body is hungry, my body wants rest, my body wants to sleep. So we have to first say, I am not my body, so this is negation, I am not physical body. So by this way, we have to identify, I am not my physical body. I mean what I am real, I am entering into my real identity.  I like somebody, I do not like somebody, all these things. Now who is liking, who is disliking, who is hating, who is loving? That means again we see that there is some entity which is hating, who is looking. But this body is not that, body is only instrument working for that. Sense organs are there, we are having sense, sense perception, experience. Say we are listening to, we are smelling something, we are then speaking something, what we do with all these things. Our arms are not we, our mouth, our nose are those things. We definitely try to find out all these things by this examination. Then thinking, who is thinking?  Again we say that we are not mental body. So finally we come to know what is our inner being, what is our ground, what we are. And finally we come to appreciate, if you have not read philosophy, that we are nothing. Finally it is like I only need to go on feeding these scales, finally what you get? Ultimately nothing. So finally we get nothing, but nothing is a very good definition, of course we have definition also. Finally we get, since consciousness cannot be seen, cannot be perceived, cannot be touched, cannot be smelled, cannot be like that. So it is nothing. But we have got to meet our consciousness, because we are doing all these functions, we are not nothing, but we are probably everything. So that becomes two definitions. So it is defined, we are a unit of consciousness. What is in Trespartan, we define monad, unit, unit of something. So unit of what? Unit of spirit and life. That is consciousness. All the life is universal, universal. Out of that so many units are drawn out by the Supreme God, what is the God? Brahman, an absolute principle during time of the whole revolution. And each unit in Trespartan is monad. The Greek term monad means unit. But while it is also important, so finally we get to also all the qualities of ocean. Just like a drop of the ocean, it is the same water, with all the qualities of the entire water of the ocean. Similarly a monad or of the ocean of consciousness, Brahman, our absolute principle, whatever we call it. So this is the by negation we identify. Then there we expansion. Now at present stage, since we consider our body only as our entities, so we are separate from others. Our feet are different from the other members of family, other societies because they are different. So there is separation. So now if we try to embrace people whom I am hating, we stop loving, whom I am disliking, I stop liking. Just but it is empowering human being. So we find that our embracing circumstances expands again and again. And we find by reorienting our feelings from negative to positive, from loving and compassionate feelings towards our own, we feel that we are identified with all. That may not only with family members, with our fellow creatures, with our society, fellow workers, with all the beings, all the things in the world, all the creatures that you can see, with the plants, with animals. So we feel that we are the ocean of consciousness, we are ocean of life, we are one with that ocean. We are one with universal life. So the two entities then, the two entities were unit of consciousness. But at the same time, we are one with the ocean of consciousness, ocean of life, which is only working around us. And this definition, this type of description is only being proved by modern researches, which time permits. I will give you some examples later. Then again, we feel, as we think and we act in our life, that we, though we appear to be separated, we appear to be self-dependent, we appear to be self-important, but is it so? We are always interdependent, interconnected. If you think even for a morning cup of tea, the tea if I take, now if you think it's a very small thing, but if you think over how many people are modern making the tea, there is a person working tea garden or some are dodging, is planting the tree, then some ladies are picking up the leaves, then there is a plant there, we're drying the leaves, then somebody is packaging, sending to market, somebody is transporting, somebody is selling from which I purchased, then I have to add sugar and milk, that again the same process, somebody is making far weight, transporting, packaging and selling. So all the ingredients are then somebody is making the cup. So all these ingredients enable us to have a cup of tea. So how I am dependent on innumerable number of persons, even for a morning cup of tea. So for everything, I am dependent on so many things. And similarly, others will be dependent on me. So every whole thing in the universe is interconnected.  So we are always interconnected. We cannot remove the interconnection, we have to realize that we are interdependent interconnection. And that becomes our economy. And here we try to impressing wider and wider circumference. So the definition of man's change is that he is a circumference, which is already expanding, consciousness expanding. So the role of man, now I see how does it happen in evolution as I told you earlier in the beginning. Evolution proceeding from different stages, when the animal, prawn, animal and human being. And human being stage, and above you there are stages of angelic kingdom. What we call, there was kingdom in English, angelic kingdom. And human state itself, there was vast variation. If you look around, you find there was difference in intelligence of man to man. There is a person who is very simple.  On the other extreme, the geniuses who can understand anything with action to man. They can solve a very complex problem. They are great scientists, philosophers. And then the person cannot sing well, the high grade musician is there. So cultured man there, uncultured man there. Why so much difference is there? And a man soon slowly, when he comes to man's stage, the monad, he walks from the savage stage to the very high intelligence stage, very evolved stage. He takes so many births. And in this human journey, the goal is set to become perfect man. All of us, we are not perfect man. So first we feel a separation, that is a man and a woman state. Then we feel that we are interdependent, interdependent. Then we feel the necessity of harmoniously united, harmoniously united, harmoniously united. So H-U then becomes human. H-U, H-U human means harmoniously united man, man of women. Then we realize, then we try to have harmony with everybody, unite with everybody. So then we become human. Most of people are not human at this stage. And then we increase our circumference, our radius of the compassion, love, caring for others. Then we became human human, human human. That means not only human being with other creatures, animals, plants, when you look after them, we do not destroy them unnecessarily. We do not kill them, we do not injure them. Even mineral, even we do not waste water, we do not waste anything. We have to be very careful because wasting water, injuring water, they are also life. So when we become aware of this thing, then we become human human, that is third stage. So in present history of evolution, many majority of the man state, some of them human, some and less number is human human. And very few know perfect man. What is the perfect man definition? That is our goal to reach in this whole evolution. Perfect man is a state which is defined by various people. The perfect man is Bible. May be he as perfect as father. I will say it. Then our Hindu sastra says, man has to go sit down. Our Islamic scripture says he has been Al Insan, Al Insan, Great Insan. So our Hindu organization is Rishi Seiji and all those things definitions are different. So a perfect man is that who has developed all his faculties perfectly. Physical body is perfect. His feelings are perfect. His thinking is perfect. His Viveka is perfect. His Buddhic is perfect. And he is embracing all these things. He is also helping other people perfect. Not only is perfect in his own, he has a perfection in the laws of nature, laws of science, laws of all the knowledge he has acquired. And he can guide people in a proper way. Then he has got super physical powers, physical powers over nature. He can control nature for the benefit of humanity. So that becomes a perfect man. That comes a very, very late stage. But it is in the capability of man to expedite this process and become perfect man quickly. That is the goal of the human being. These are our great cities, our great saints, which I called the two masters, which found it just to say that they have reached that state. So that is the goal set for the human being. So this is the latent potential of man. And it is said, since man is the spark of the divine, the spark of the God, that when you are talking of this man, the inner man, not the outer man, so he has got all the power of the God, all the potential power of God. Just like I told you, a drop of ocean has got same quality, same power as a portion. So he has got power. The process one is to exhibit those powers, not in a showy manner, but develop those powers and unfold that is called unfolding a power. That is the journey. So in this process of evolution, man is doing unconsciously.  Sometimes he retards us when we properly do not do our work properly. But we have got power and power of thinking, power of contemplation. By this we can expedite that process. That is in man's hand. That's why he says man is self-made. Man is no self-creation. Man is what he has made himself, what he has made himself. God is there, but God at the stage of man, he leaves himself independent. Now you have got thinking power, you have got Viveka, you have got intelligence. Now you apply that and learn from the mistake, you learn from that and you advance yourself. So man is a very critical stage of evolution. Man is a very critical stage of evolution, but very important is evolution.  That freedom hasn't given. This freedom hasn't given only to learn the mistake from the mistake and to proceed further. It doesn't mean that we should deliberately commit sin, deliberately commit mistake. Occasionally if we commit mistake and sin, then we learn lesson and proceed further. Animals, they don't have this freedom. For example, if food is there, animal will take only that food to satisfy his hunger. We will not take over it. Man in his BD nature, if it is very delicious, he will over it and by that he will spoil his stomach digestion and then he has to go to some doctor and take medicine. So by this process he will learn that he has to control his eating. Man by lazy, he will become fat, he will become lazy and he will know that this is not good. Then he will do some exercise, his control is tight. Then by negative feeling, he will make others unhappy. By negative thinking, he will make environment all around is very unhappy. And he will learn from that, then he will try to change this capacity with man. Self-training, he has to evolve. And all these teachings, whether religious, philosophy or worldly teachings are only for this purpose, that we should know our potential, we should change ourselves improperly. And that way we help ourselves in evolution and by this process we help. So finally, when we acquire some knowledge in this process, then we become forced in the evolution. At present unconsciously we are being led by bigger force, evolutionary force. But when we know all these things, then we become a force and we contribute to this evolutionary force and that becomes our contribution, not only for helping invidity us but for home creation. So finally, when we know that there is a plan of evolution, so it is said that there are two types of men, one who know, one who do not know. One knows what? One who knows there is a plan of evolution that everybody has to evolve. Everybody has to go up in the consciousness and folding in power and folding in Disney Plan. This is the divine plan, this is God's plan. And as I told in the beginning, only for making this plan, one make us understand all the prophets, all the incarnations, they come to us, remind us that you have forgotten there is a plan. They see there is a plan. When Christ comes or Krishna comes or Buddha comes, they turn only to this thing, remind us there is a plan. They look at plan and work accordingly. But still they forget. So at present we are two types of people who know and do not know. Who know they work according to plan or in religious words we say they work according to God's plan and they help themselves and help the humanity. Who do not know they are ignorant and they work against the plan, sometimes not derivately, sometimes ignorantly and they create obstruction with the evolution. But they are not asked for the very thing. They learn lessons and probably in the next incarnation they learn more. So for learning this, for the evolution of this, the process has been given by two things. The incarnation and karma. The law of karma is very involuntary law, eternal law. Whatever man does, does means not only physically but feeling and also thinking. The effect comes on him. He also expressed the effect all down on him, not only fellow human being, other features, other creation. And then somebody has joined now. That means whatever he does, it affects other, he has to realize that. And then he starts controlling his action at physical level, feeling level and thinking level.  So he doesn't bother but by that mistake he learns something and he also at later stage comes that. And this whole lesson, when he learns then person becomes perfect. When he doesn't have anything left to learn on this earth, then he becomes perfect human being on this earth. What we are talking about, Siddhas, a perfect man as mentioned in the Bible or Al-Insan as mentioned in the Quran, then becomes. So when he becomes at least known, then what happens? Then he starts removing the difference in the mind of the sex, of the race, of the caste. He treats everybody equally. At present women are treated differently, persons of different regions are taken differently, color of skin makes a difference. All the differences should go from that person who is taken, evolution in his own hand, in one's own hand. So all the differences go. Then the question, then the knowledge comes. It doesn't matter whether I'm Hindu, whether I'm Christian, whether I'm Muslim, whether I'm Indian, whether I'm Chinese, whether I'm Nagaland or from UP. I am same human being on this journey. And the evolution starts. The knowledge must come. At least it must come intellectually first. Then it should try to grasp and it should proceed that. The nature takes care of that. In every incarnation, he will go up in consciousness, in feelings, in capacities and all these things. And he will generally become perfect human being, will be accelerated with this knowledge and applying this knowledge to our life. So man in this way is his own master. That's why three great truths have been declared. One is that there is a principle, benevolent principle which is outside, inside us, everywhere, which is always beneficial. But this cannot be touched, this cannot be heard, this cannot be tasted. But this can be perceived if you can perceive. That means when I'm reaching, when I'm trying to perfect myself, I'm perceiving that there is some subtle energy which is impaling me from inside. That is the benevolent principle. It is working in everybody. Everybody only have to perceive that. And second is the human soul. Human soul, each of us we have got human soul. There are no limit to its growth, no limit to perfection. The height, glory it can achieve, there are no limit. You become human soul by this perfection. Man to human, human to human human, then perfect man, then became highest God, then became at God level. He can be there, ocean of consciousness, he can be there. And third great truth is man his own master, man his own destiny. He is destiny maker. No outsider force, no outside God, no outside power makes it destiny. Whatever it does, he gets, he reaps that. And according to that, he learns lesson, he proceeds. So this we must know. And having this knowledge of Lord Karma, that I'm no more master, I'm creator of my own glory or doom. I take myself in my hand and I change my thinking, my feeling, my working. And then I help in the evolution process. So this knowledge, who am I, helps us to understand what we are really, what are powers, latent powers and how to utilize that power. Not only for our own development, for our own meeting or goal, but for helping whole creation. So man is that stage, that spiritual being. At this stage, when the knowledge comes, then he becomes a, he utilizes mind. Mind is a wonderful worker given to us. Now at present stage our mind wanders in so many things. Past, present, this, that thing, very big, tricky things and very superficial things. When I come to know that I've got his mental power, which is a wonderful worker, then I try to control my mind. I consciously apply my mind to certain thoughts, to certain ideas, which I want to learn, I want to develop. I control mind, I control mind, I stop that mind to wander from this and that thing. Then that becomes a big force, big channel for. Similarly, when I do certain work, even small work in daytime, in our daily life, we pay full attention, what I'm saying, doing the work with heart. At present, my attention is scattered. So that's why the work is not done for fiction, not done for satisfaction. I can repeat mistakes. So when this knowledge comes, I pay proper attention. And then I became self-collected, wholesome, fully consciousness, acting with intent. Then we are in a right journey. For this, there are three processes. We have to study all this literature, content that are learned from somebody who has studied more and made it on this idea, a remedy for some time. And most important of all these things, after that, do self-service. Go on telling the people these principles, the life of principles, and try to help. Even if you know partially, it is better to tell others whatever you know, that your service, self-service. So this becomes a path and learning, contemplating, meditating, and doing self-service. This becomes a path. And by this path, we have to advance in evolutionary journeys. And then we reach our goal, goal, goal, and to human, to human, human, to protect man. Thank you very much. Any questions, clarification? Dr. Babbar? An enlightening talk. I just wanted to put one picture. Let me see that. I just forgot. Please sir, please sir. You still have time. Yes, I just want to... Okay, right. Okay. Okay, please see this picture. As I told you, man has dual nature. The upper triangle, its color is shown on nature. Sir, the picture is not yet visible. The picture is not yet visible. No, sir. My script is coming. Maybe you may switch on your video. My script is coming. Yes. Coming. Hello. No, sir. No, sir. It's not visible. My window is on. So some connectivity problem. That way, I have basically shown two triangles. Triangle of higher nature, the stone. And the bottom angle is of lower nature. As I said in principles of physical body, muscles and our lower thinking, then the higher triangle is of higher nature, which we say our body, liver, and higher mental thinking. So these two things, our lower nature, have you brought in line with your higher nature? And then we occur balance pattern, and the better it tries to balance each other, it becomes... Try again. This is already presented. I don't know. Is not my picture still? No, it's not clear. Nothing is coming, actually, maybe because of internet problems. Not visible, sir. Not visible. Okay, okay. So there's some problem. Sir, maybe you can try once again. Okay. Sir, it is perfectly all right. I guess there is some connectivity issue. Is it coming now? Not yet? Not yet? No, sir. I think this is connectivity issue. There's some problem. So let us talk about it. So our higher nature is our inner will. The will power. We have got will power. And that is our inner tranquility. We have got will power. And we can use like this for good work, for doing our desired work, their motivation. Then we have values. This comes in the higher nature. It's like this. Like loving care, like impartiality, all these are values. Then we are able to... We have to... The broader way, our business, the broader business, it should not be... We can try to... society, some ideas, we have thinking. That comes from your... Your voice is... Your voice is unstable. Pardon? Stable. Again connectivity issue. Yes. I think connectivity issue. So I think...  Now it's clear. It is coming. Yeah. No, no, no. It's clear. Okay. So picture I could not show you because of this problem. Yeah. Anyway. Okay, sir. Then shall we... Shall we go for a question and answer session? Yes. Okay. So now the stage is open for a question and answer session. Understand. If there is any question, please go ahead. Hello. Yes. Please. Who wants to speak? I hope my microphone is clear. I want to ask the students. Hello. Yes, sir. Your voice is clear now. I still... No, still... My question is... Yes. Please. My question is there now. What is the deeper meaning of freedom, sir, in man, sir? Please clarify this matter. What is the deeper meaning of freedom? Freedom. Freedom in man. Freedom. Is the democratic question now? Freedom. Yeah. Please clarify, sir. Meaning of freedom in man is freedom from man. Freedom from the publisher. That is freedom. Freedom is not of the spirit. Freedom from the nature, from the material part of the world. From the... Our core tendency, negative tendency, negative feeling, that is the freedom. When we go free of that, we come to the real area, or to the nature, or the thinking, positive, all that. So freedom is always from the nature. And the real question is the... The present has to be lower and it's still more hard-necked at times. So this process will be later fixed. In the present, it can be initiated to treat my laziness for the fact that I'm lazy and not able to do work properly. So we do let go of real power to them for laziness. I've got some... I'm going to have to free from habit. So it will start from that. I've got feeling. If I'm visual, I have to have it to read that and to feel that. I can feel that. I can feel that. I can feel that. I can feel that. I can feel that. I can feel that. I can feel that. So this way, I can feel that it will work on the lower part we don't have the lower part. Yes. We have... We have to hear anything. For the next... Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Okay. I'd like to know one or two young participants to share their information very much and because it's been reading this morning and it will be for for patients. If we are able to read it. Okay. I think our speaker is not able to connect. Anyway, then... Oh, yes. Brother Aniruddha. Brother Aniruddha. Yes, sir. US Condeser is left already. US Condeser is already left. No, no, I'm not left. I'm here. It was disconnected momentarily. It was disconnected momentarily. But you're... Okay, sir. Thank you. I was asking any of the young participants whether they could listen, understand. Any one of them, one or two persons can react. What about Lily Chishisu? You do here. Before speaking, you have to unmute yourself. Otherwise, I'm not... Sir, I would like to ask a question. Can you hear me, sir? Can... Please. Your name is Aviv D. What is that? Yes, sir. My name is Aviv V. Thank you so much, sir. Okay. For the insightful discussion. There is a simple question that I would like to ask you. How would the philosophical philosophy explain for a person who surfers, for instance, like schizophrenia or bipolar disorder or any other mental-related problems when it comes to self-made? Okay. The mental problem is a psychological problem. And the whole of the philosophy is making some psychological problems. As I told you, we have a mental body. Which is our psychological body and we have mental problems in the psychological mental body. But think about it, think about it. So, I think solely there are psychological problems. So, generally, the mental body of a person or you could say what I say is that when you get the mental state and you stay there, then he has a psychological life setup. That's how you have it. You have to make a policy of the person who has this appointment. So, when he who has a number in one nation and he has a number in one country or when he is only speaking particularly understand the given meaning of his presence, then he comes to realize that he has a mental state with the mind. So, mind has now a mental state. That doesn't get the family, doesn't get people's attention. Not audible, sir. Your speech is not audible, sir. I really apologize for this network connectivity, but there are few things which we cannot control. Okay, so, sir, if you are able to hear me, thank you so much for your time, for your presentation. Today's topic has been very complicated and it is very difficult to grasp the gist of the topic in 30-40 minutes of the discussion. So, on behalf of Tetsuo College, on behalf of Dotbox Webinar Series, I am really thankful to you. Thank you so much, sir. Thank you so much. I am really thankful to all those who have joined. Okay, since the question and answer could not be complete because of connectivity problem, if the participants have got any questions, I request them to send to me directly or to Mr. Baba, and I will try to explain the message. Thank you very much. I would really love to extend this conversation. I think that is very important because the topic is very important. Okay. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you all of you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much.


Amos chapter 2 beginning at verse 1 reading to verse 3 Thus says the Lord For three transgressions of Moab and for four I will not turn away its punishment Because he burned the bones of the king of Edom to lime But I will send a fire upon Moab and it shall devour the palaces of carry-up Moab shall die with tumult With shouting and trumpet sound and I will cut off the judge from its midst and slay all the princes with him Says the Lord and so we begin with a very cheery portion of Scripture today We've been looking at Amos. We introduced the book just this last week and in our introduction Amos is Is a prophet a prophet who has been sent to speak of coming judgment to the nation? Now he began a series of prophetic declarations regarding areas that were in close proximity to the Nation of Israel and as we went through chapter 1 We saw how that Amos was speaking of judgment that was coming on on Damascus, Syria on Gaza on tire Edom and on Ammon these are all countries that are close by geographically to the nation of Israel and each one of these judgments as we were going through chapter 1. We saw this came for particular reasons Syria was judged for its cruelty Gaza was judged for making and selling slaves Tire was judged for breaking its treaty with Israel Edom was judged because of its vengeful spirit and Ammon was judged because of its violent crimes But we saw in verse 13 how they had ripped open pregnant women killing both the mother and the babies And so God judged them and was judging each one of these nations and territories In chapter 2 God continues to speak concerning his judgment that is about to come The fact is when you read your Bible we need to remember that especially is revealed in the Old Testament that God is a judge and God is declared to be the judge not just of certain territories But as I've been saying to you he is the judge of all the earth and as a judge Because he's God because he is righteous He is a just judge and he brings fair judgment because he is righteous You see in Psalm 7 verse 11 how it says God is a just judge and God is angry with a wicked Every day and so the Bible portrays God reveals God to be a righteous God who has a righteous anger at Sin and he is a judge and so the nations that have been mentioned were ripe for judgment and God's judgment being fair is going to be equal to the evil As we continue here looking at judgments in chapter 2 We see that in this chapter Amos is writing of judgment that is going to come upon Moab and against Judah and Then Israel I'm going to show you some things about that as we go through this portion of scripture So beginning at verse 1 again. It says thus says the Lord for three transgressions of Moab and for four I will not turn away its punishment Because he burned the bones of the king of Edom to lime Now we read different words in scripture that speaks concerning Things like sin You'll you'll read of trespasses. You read the word sin The word that is used right here is the word transgression and he says for three Transgressions of Moab for those who take notes just so that you might be interested in what that word transgression means The word transgression simply speaks of rebellion and God is saying that I am going to bring judgment because of your rebellion The word transgression in the Hebrew is used in various ways. It can be used in reference to a Transgression I can transgress against another person. It is used sometimes to speak of a nation transgressing against another nation, but it is most often used in reference to me Transgressing against God it speaks concerning me being in rebellion against the Lord and so this speaks of rebellion and so he's speaking here of Transgressions the transgressions of Moab the Psalmist said in Psalm 5 verse 10 pronounced them guilty.   I have rejected Please I ask forgive me for that and so Moab the first That we look at that is being judged here in Amos, too Moab is going to be judged for its continual thirst for vengeance You know they had they had gained a victory in battle against Edomites But they had gone overboard in their victory against them. They killed the Edomite King but they went further and even burned his bones and so he's saying this this This vengeance that you've taken is something that I'm judging you for for this transgression No, incidentally, I didn't point this out I might have last time but let me say it again for three transgressions of Moab and for forest is a formula that he uses to say your sins Are innumerable is not just one sin But the sin that seems to stand out that is being mentioned is this vengeful spirit And so he says in verse 2 I will send a fire upon Moab You burned the bones of the king of Edom.  I I mentioned to you we were together. I mentioned to you That in the Old Testament you had the nephew of Abram a man. We know by the name of lot I mentioned to you that lot had been delivered out of Sodom and Gomorrah and all and as he had left that city He ended up with his two daughters He had an older and a younger daughter that he was with and He had physical relations with both of his daughters and they both became pregnant through those relations That sexual encounter with his daughters that was induced by them having him drink become drunken Not aware of his actions produced two different nations the Ammonites and the Moabites If you were looking at a map both of those nations were located in what is today modern Jordan Moab was located if you were looking at the map You would see a map of Israel if you looked at that you'd see on the north northern third will say is the Sea of Galilee Then you have the the Jordan that comes down then it connects with another body of water called the Dead Sea so if you're looking at the Dead Sea which is in the lower portion just down south of Southeast of the city of Jerusalem if you're going down south in that direction Then Moab would be further down south and to the east and that's what's being spoken of This is the the region of Moab and so he's saying God is going to bring judgment against Moab and it is going to be completely destroyed When he speaks concerning Kariot the palaces of Kariot Kariot was the chief city of Moab and he's saying it's going to be destroyed in the tumult of battle Another prophet by the name of Jeremiah in chapter 48 verse 41 said this Kariot is taken the strongholds are surprised the mighty men's hearts and Moab on that day shall be like the heart of a woman in birth pangs He goes on in verse 3 to say and I will cut off the judge from its midst And slay all its princes with him says the Lord I'm going to destroy everything. I'm going to destroy everything including the government Prophetically this took place when King Nebuchadnezzar came in and destroyed Moab What you have here, and I'll say this briefly, but you have a practical thought here What you have here is a picture of complete judgment And if you only had this picture of Moab and and some of the scriptures that that refer to it You wouldn't get a full picture of how God had worked with Moab because on the one hand Because of its origin and because of the way they treated the nation of Israel God spoke of Moab as being and this is a quote. He said Moab is my wash pot and yet all you need to do Is read the book of Ruth And in the book of Ruth you have a very powerful story Of a woman who was a Jewess Who had left the nation of Israel and had migrated with her husband and two sons to the region of Moab And while they were there in Moab This woman Naomi Had The two sons marry two Moabites's Naomi's husband Died Leaving her a widow But she had the two sons And the two sons could continue caring for their mother But the two sons Both died And when the two sons both died that left Naomi without any source of support So when you read the book of Ruth You see how Naomi speaks to her two daughters-in-law And says to them I have no way to be able to supply your needs You're still young She says and I'm old I can't produce any more sons for you to marry So you need to leave So you can marry And so that you can have Children and support Because I can't supply the support for you And that's when one of the daughters-in-law leaves Her name was Orpa Orpa is the name that Oprah thought The Oprah's mom thought she was named me anyway But that's that's a fact Her name was supposed to be Orpa, but anyway Not Orca Anyway And so she left She kissed her mother-in-law goodbye And said I'm out of here But Ruth said no Your god shall be my god She said where you go I will go And so Ruth is a picture of that faithful daughter In law to Naomi Ultimately we know the story Where Ruth is out in a field and there's a man by the name of Boaz and Boaz Takes a liking to her And it comes to To Naomi's attention that Boaz is a next of kin is a kinsman to her And as a kinsman Boaz being a well-off man has the right of what is called the kinsman redeemer He has the right to take Ruth as his bride But that right goes to The closest relative And there's one relative that is closer To uh to Naomi in terms of just uh proximity we'll say a cousin second cousin That would be we'll say a first cousin had a closer proximity and thus had the the right of first refusal So the whole story of the book of Ruth is the story of the kinsman redeemer And how that god showed mercy to a jewish to a non- jewish woman a moabitis even though in his word He says moab is my wash pot It shows the picture of the grace and mercy of god how that he was Willing to bring her into not only a place of being supplied in terms of her needs But she finds herself in the lineage of messiah himself jesus christ And so that's the picture of god's grace and mercy and though god is saying i am going to bring judgment on moab We need to remember that god also has shown tremendous mercy to and a good picture of his mercy and grace Comes through the relationship that we have with god through jesus christ who had a descent that included a moabitis by the name of Ruth Now he's saying i'm going to cut off the judge from its midst and slay all the princes with him Say at the lord i'm going to bring complete destruction and it's going to end all the government also Going on verse 4 This is judgment on juda thus says the lord for three transgressions of juda and for four I will not turn away its punishment because they have despised the law of the lord And have not kept his commandments Their lies lead them astray Lies after which their fathers walked But I will send a fire upon juda and it shall devour the palaces of jerusalem Another cherry prophecy juda is going to receive judgment I want you to see why we're going to look at this and look at it for a few minutes here juda is receiving judgment for disregarding and despising the law of god Now after speaking of the coming judgment on surrounding nations Amos is now pointing his attention to juda and israel Though the other nations deserve judgment juda and israel's judgment is stricter That's because greater privilege results in greater responsibility Thus requiring Greater judgment You see there's an old saying that we're familiar with ignorance of the laws no excuse And the fact is juda and israel Had more because god had given them more that they needed to Be accountable for In in the old testament, there's a book called leviticus And leviticus chapter 5 verse 17 says If a person sins and does what is forbidden in any of the lord's commands Even though he does not know it he's guilty and will be held responsible I don't think any of you have ever been pulled over by a police officer for traffic violation. I'm sure none of you so hypothetically the police officer pulls you over and They will say something like Do you know why I pulled you over? Anybody here ever hear that? You know why I pulled you over And then you go. Yeah, I was going 97 in a 35. No, you'll you'll you'll say You usually will just cop to it, right? Yeah, I should you know you cop to it But what happens if you say, I didn't know I didn't realize it. I I didn't see do they say, oh, okay It's okay. You didn't know No ignorance of the law. There's an old statement ignorance of the law is no excuse You broke the law even though you didn't know it existed. You're still guilty. That's how it works And so even in the old testament it says that in in Leviticus 5 17 if a person sins and does what is forbidden in any of the lord's commands Even though he does not know it. He is guilty and will be held responsible Even though you didn't know it yet. You still violated it every man every woman stands guilty before god Even though we may not realize that we did that which is forbidden In the new testament in luke chapter 12 verse 48 Jesus said the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows From everyone who's been given much much will be demanded And from the one who has been entrusted with much Much more will be asked And though you didn't know You still violated you still are dealt with But if you know And still willfully reject you have a stricter punishment And so israel has greater responsibility Because they had greater privilege When you look in the bible you see if they had prophets Miracles had been performed amongst them. They had great deliverances that had occurred. They had the priesthood They had the law. They had the temple And all of that produced greater knowledge and all of that produced greater privilege Because they had all of these advantages Fast forward to to today Christians today have greater understanding And therefore have greater responsibility before god The more you know the more you own So when you're getting to the word and god begins to instruct you you have more accountability That's how it works in the kingdom of god And so juda had tremendous privileges in juda. They had the temple They had temple sacrifice priesthood. They had all of that. They had the law juda had prophets juda had so much that tribe That area And as i mentioned to you What had happened is there had been a division of the nation Under jeroboam when there was a king by the name of reha boom and then another king that took his place Took his place as a king named jeroboam and jeroboam Divided the nation from the 12 tribes into the 10 northern to southern juda is part of what is called the two southern tribes So it begins with juda juda having greater privilege and more responsibility Because juda had all of that heritage plus it had the temple So he begins with juda the southern kingdom Now amos came from juda though he was a prophet to those who were in israel And it says in verse 4 For three transgressions of juda and for four I will not turn away its punishment because they have despised the law of the lord And have not kept his commandments their lies Lead them astray Lies after which their fathers walked But i will send a fire upon juda and it shall devour the palaces of jerusalem You have many sins to be confronted with But this is the most obvious You have despised the law and you have not kept god's commandments You have the law But you have regarded it as without value And you have been habitually disobedient You've been given both god's word as well as instructions on how to worship him Yet you have regarded it lightly You have not esteemed it And you've dishonored god In this neglect Notice how it speaks of their lies leading them astray When it says their lies lead or led them astray Some commentators will say their lies could be in reference to their idolatry But most commentators are saying when it speaks of lie lies leading them astray Would be speaking of false prophets and lying priests What what is happening is the false prophets And the lying priests who were misrepresenting and mishandling the word of god Were not giving the full counsel and direction of the lord to the people of israel and The people of israel had gotten the taste for false teachings The people of israel in the neglect of the of the word of god and the neglect of obedience to it in the disregard And despising of it had actually gotten to the point where they preferred lies over truth In jeremiah Chapter six verse 14 speaking of these false teachers They have healed the hurt of my people slightly Saying peace peace When there is no peace In jeremiah chapter 14 verse 14 the lord said to me The prophets prophesy lies in my name. I have not sent them commanded them nor spoken to them They prophesy to you false vision divination a worthless thing And the deceit of their heart isaia chapter 30 verses 9 and 10 and other prophets said this is a rebellious people Lying children Children who will not hear the law of the lord who say to the seers do not see To the prophets do not prophesy to us write things Speak to us smooth things prophesy deceits Don't tell us the truth Don't say things that are hard to swallow Please Don't say things that convict our hearts Or reveal our sin Say things to me that makes me feel better about myself And please even though you represent the kingdom of god and even though Your responsibility is to rightly divide what god has said and to present it as the messenger of god We saw that in malachi 2 7 That the priests were to be the ones that that the people came to Because they were the messengers of god The people were supposed to be looking at the prophets and the priests as being those representing the kingdom The priests would take the word of god and rightly divide it as they were supposed to in order to teach the people how to worship god in truth and spirit The prophets would bring the mind of god to the people and say thus saith the lord This is what god would have for you And and the people who were to be believers in god were to follow the things that were said in order that they would be obedient to god and blessed by him But because sometimes because of the rebellion that was Was wrapped up in the hearts of the people when they would hear something they didn't want to do it So they would say prophesy to us smooth things In the new testament we have Paul speaking concerning the same kind of mentality When he says that in the latter days that people will no longer Put up with healthy teaching But what they'll do is they will heap unto themselves teachers Having itching ears and they will voluntarily turn themselves away from the truth and be turned into fables. It's the same mentality which is this Please tell me things that make me feel good for the moment because that's all that matters right now It's just the moment Do not see they say to the seers to the prophets don't prophesy to us right things Speak to us smooth things prophesy to seats And that's what the lord is speaking of when he says their lies lead them or led them astray Lies after which their father's walk falls teachings By false prophets an improper handling of the word of god as led them astray There is always going to be keep this in mind. It's very basic, but keep it in mind There is always fruit to the things you believe What you believe Is what determines how you behave Somebody all day long can say I believe a certain thing, but if their works are different than their words What they do is what they really believe So they can say oh, I believe in a holy and loving and just god But if they live in constant rebellion and rejection They may mentally say they believe and who am I to say they don't mentally believe But in fact they're living their belief Because the sermon that that is best preached is the one that is lived best And when the word of god doctrine is being presented to us and we listen by faith and receive it Healthy doctrine is intended to produce healthy spiritual lives And so that's why you go through the word of god so that the word of god can find a home in you You see juda had the true temple in its myth But juda failed to worship god in spirit and truth They walked he says in lies Even as those who had gone before them had done So what is it going to do? Well verse 5 he says I will send a fire upon juda It shall devour the palaces of jerusalem In the near future a king a Babylonian king by the name of nebuchadnezzar Will send his armies and they will destroy juda When you read your bible, especially as you look in the book of second kings and all you'll you'll see that Nebuchadnezzar's army invaded that region in 605 5 97 as well as 586 And in the third invasion of that area according to second kings 25 verse 9 He burned the house of the lord and the king's house All the houses of jerusalem that is all the houses of the great he burned with fire Which is what the lord said when he said in verse 5 I will send a fire upon juda it shall devour the palaces of jerusalem And that indeed took place under the invasions by nebuchadnezzar Moving on into verse 6 This is the judgment on israel thus says the lord For three transgressions of israel and for four i will not turn away its punishment because They sell the righteous for silver and the poor For a pair of sandals They pant after the dust of the earth which is on the head of the poor And pervert the way of the humble A man and his father Go in to the same girl to defile my holy name They lie down by every altar on clothes taken in pledge And drink the wine of the condemned in the house of their god Now amos speaks of god's judgment on the northern kingdom kingdom of israel the judgment Is for injustice immorality and blasphemy Notice he says in verse 6 i will not turn away its punishment Because they sell the righteous for silver What do you mean you sell the righteous for silver the judges are corrupt They sell their judgment to the highest bidder Of course no politicians do that now but it happened back then This has resulted in the righteous being robbed of fair judgment Now obviously judges were to be impartial when god set the judgment the judgment when the judges were to judge They were to use scripture as their basis of all judgment And their judgment was to be along with scripture and impartial You see this throughout the old testament exodus 238 You shall take no bribe for a bribe blinds the discerning and perverts the words of the righteous Deuteronomy 16 verse 19 you shall not pervert justice You shall not show partiality nor take a bribe For a bribe blinds the eyes of the wise and twists the words of the righteous Isaiah 5 23 speaks of those who justify the wicked for a bribe and take away justice from the righteous man And so judgment is to be impartial But what they're doing is they're actually being bribed and in doing so They're actually not judging with righteousness. It says they sell the righteous for silver He goes on to say and the poor for a pair of sandals They sell out for almost nothing Even for a used pair of shoes In verse 7 he says they pant after the dust of the earth Which is on the head of the poor and pervert the way of the humble And so when it says they pant after the dust of the earth We need to remember that people at that time would throw dust in the air when they were mourning And these men would want even the dust that they were throwing up in the air When it says in verse 7 they pervert the way of the humble This is interesting when you think of it because the humble would not stand up against him to defend themselves And because they didn't stand up to defend themselves, they were getting no justice This may have made them bitter because of the partiality of the judges They began to feel that there was no justice for them And they became very embittered When they became embittered they were beginning to forsake the path of righteousness And that's something God has a real problem with You see something similar in terms of sentiment in Matthew 18 verse 6 Where Jesus said whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were drowned in the depth of the sea And God says no you've been perverting these people's lives. You're twisting them and causing them to be stumbled I will bring judgment on you He also says in verse 7 A man and his father go into the same girl to defile my holy name It could speak of more than one thing one it could speak of a father and son visiting the same prostitute A father and and the son go into the same girl But it could also speak of a son being intimate with his father's wife And the father being intimate with the sons You say oh come that that sounds gross and it is In the new testament we have an incident that paul actually had to deal with that was taken place in a church In first Corinthians in chapter 5 Remember what it says in verse 1 where paul said It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you And of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate A man is sleeping with his father's wife and so In the Corinthian church what had happened Is a man was sleeping with his father's wife, which would mean he's not saying a man is sleeping with his own mother A man is sleeping with his father's wife So he wasn't related by blood to that woman But he was still violating a relationship in that way And paul said the problem with eukarythians is it has been reported to me of this kind of immorality That is is not even found In pagan society. I mean the greeks themselves frowned upon that kind of sexual behavior And yet the church instead of repenting was actually boasting about it And paul all you need to do is read first Corinthians 5 and you'll see paul's outrage Over what was taking place because he said instead of mourning over this you're glorying in it And there are commentators who believe that the Corinthians were glorying in the lack of discipline of the church in this in this event Because they were saying well look at the kind of grace that we show to sinful people And paul said this is wrong. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the entire lump of dough Don't you know that when sin goes unchecked it has a way of spreading to the rest And not only that did you not know that this kind of sin Isn't even tolerated by pagans and when pagans see you practicing sin that they reject You're bringing dishonor to the name of god In the new testament very often what has happened with new testament believers Is we have used the word grace in such a way that we sometimes will actually permit sin In the name of grace where paul would argue vehemently in scripture We see that he does that against such behavior because he would say to us How was it that we who have been set free from sin? How can we continue in it any longer as grace been given to us to continue in sin? He said god forbid God forbid no grace has been given to us not that we continue in sin Grace has been given to us to set us free from his bondage And so in continuing in sin We're bringing dishonor to the name of the lord you see that in the new and you see that in the old And so god here speaking in the old is speaking about what is taking place Because these people are perverting the ways of the lord and thus the people are looking at the nation of israel And they're saying that these are an unholy people He says in verse eight They lie down by every altar on clothes taken in pledge and drink the wine of the condemned in the house of their god Now when it says they lie down by every altar on clothes taken in pledge During that time if a person was very poor They would have and they had nothing they could use as collateral in any way To save them from from um from creditors and all They would use their their robe that they had their outer garment as collateral But the law states in deuteronomy 24 verses 12 and 3 12 and 13 if the man is poor you shall not keep his pledge overnight You shall in any case return the pledge to him again when the sun goes down Then he may sleep in his own garment and bless you And it shall be righteousness to you before the lord your god And so that's how god intended to care for the poor And what they were doing is they were taking the only thing that they had that was keeping them against the The coolness of night. They were taking it against Taking it from them and showing great cruelty as they did that now That will give us some insight Into the story of blind bartimaeus That you find in the new testament when the lord jesus christ was there by the city of jericho And as he was walking This the scripture speaks of a crowd of people being with him And as he's coming down this pathway there by jericho There's actually two beggars, but bartimaeus has spoken of bartimaeus sinnetimaeus And asks who is it that's passing by he's blind But he hears the sound Of the christian parade if you will as they're passing by And bartimaeus says who is passing by and they say jesus of nazareth So bartimaeus when he knows it's jesus of nazareth begins to scream at the top of his lungs So that jesus will hear him above the din of the crowd and he begins to yell and he says jesus son of nazareth have mercy on me And the people turn to him and they say be quiet Don't disturb the mass be quiet But we're told that he cried out the louder jesus son of son of jesus son of david have have mercy on me And and and jesus stops and you can almost see everybody bumping into one another as jesus stops and the crowds Has to wait and he and he hears the voice of this bartimaeus. He's crying out And he says bring him to me And when he says bring him to me the bible tells us that bartimaeus threw away his cloak That's symbolic that reveals something to me because he knew that he was about To be blessed in such a way that that cloak was no longer necessary That god was going to do a work in him that was going to make it unnecessary for me to have this one bit of clothing Because now that I can see i'm going to be able to work i'm going to be able to produce an income I'm going to be able to live on this is going to happen right now In the old testament if you had owed me something and you had nothing to pay with I could take as collateral I could take that that cloak, but I was responsible to give it back because that's all you had to keep you warm when it was cold But what these people were doing is showing no mercy or compassion whatsoever And so they were taken from the poor the little that they had and god says i'm a post of that That is not something that I will that i'll close my eyes to I will deal with that he says they lie down by every altar on clothes taken in pledge So i'm going to take care of them in verse 8 he goes on and says and and they drink the wine of the condemned in the house of their god They were using the money that they had made To go get drunk in pagan festivals It would be like A person who is a christian Going to um What do you call it? Mardi Gras It's like that this guy's a professing believer in christ But he's out there sinko the mile getting drunk Partying and that's that's what he's saying you you are taking the money that you're making You're using it to buy alcohol and get bombed And partying and this he said is something I hold against you He goes on in verse 9 and says yet It was I who destroyed the amorite before them whose height was like the height of the cedars And he was as strong as the oaks yet. I destroyed his fruit above his roots beneath Also, it was I who brought you up from the land of egypt and led you 40 years to the wilderness to possess the land of the amorite I raised up some of your sons as prophets Some of your young men as nazarites Is it not so old you children of israel says the lord But you gave the nazarite wine to drink and commanded the prophet saying do not prophesy So he reminds them of god's work of deliverance and salvation Now what are you speaking about here when he's talking about the amorites there in verse 9 It was I who destroyed The amorite Whose height was like the height of cedars and strong as the oak I destroyed his fruit above and his roots beneath. This is a reminder of when joshua began to enter into the promised land The amorites dwelt there on the on the border And also their land Was a little west of the jordan river In the region that is including jericho And when you read the story of joshua entering into jericho Jericho was under the power and influence. It was in the region of the amorites And so god begins to say to them from the very beginning when you entered in to take the land And I showed you my grace mercy and power And gave you the order to just march around but to do nothing until the last day and then to blow the trumpets I am showing you my merciful grace and my power to deliver And you're to remember that all the way from the beginning when you entered into the land And that's why in numbers 248 He says I brought you into the land of the amorites who dwelt on the other side of the jordan They fought with you But I gave them into your hand that you might possess their land and I destroyed them from before you And so I was able to take care of you and you remember when the spies went into the city of jericho And it was heard that some spies from israel had entered in And rehab this harlot Had taken and hidden them from those who were seeking for them And made them promise to deliver her and her family And they said we will deliver you and the family but this under this one condition That you will put this scarlet rope this this scarlet outside of the window if you don't put the scarlet When we come to destroy and it's the scarlet is not covering your family We are not held responsible for the loss of life that will take place And she put out that scarlet rope And was protected scarlet being the picture of being under the blood of christ It's a prophetic illustration of us being under the protection of christ when god's judgment comes And she was preserved and so he's saying from the beginning I have protected you from the beginning. I have been with you From the beginning.  I raised up prophets who declared to you Things that you needed to hear from me and I gave to you these nazarites Now when it says in verse 11 I raised up some of your sons as prophets and some of your young men as nazarites Is it not so oh children of Israel says the lord You gave the nazarites wine to drink and commanded the prophets saying do not prophesy I gave you advantages and two things and i'll look at this with you and try and make application These nazarites and these prophets The nazarite when you see the nazarite the nazarite Is an individual who is to be dedicated to the service of god the word nazarite Speaks of somebody who is consecrated The nazarite is found in in the book of numbers chapter six Verses 1 through 21 The nazarite would take a vow That they were going to be separated to god And as part of their separation they wouldn't cut their hair They didn't drink any wine And they didn't touch or come near a dead body All of that was intended To demonstrate that they were completely Dedicated to god And what he is saying is this and this is so practical How did you treat? How did you treat these consecrated men? How did you treat these men who were prophetic and set apart? How did you treat them? You know what you did verse 12 you gave the nazarites wine to drink and commanded the prophets saying don't prophesy How did you treat them?  This is practical And I hope some of you hear it If you don't hear it, I'll say it again next week On the one hand I've been sharing lately some of you perhaps heard this last week I I've been sharing on the one hand Every every minister Is is is still a person who's a sinner saved by grace and thus we have to be very careful That we don't Raise people who are servants of god to a position That puts them above everybody Because Eventually you will see that this person isn't perfect And i've been sharing that there's only one perfect person. That's jesus. We need to keep our eyes on him And we all agree with that and yet There is a tendency today especially today I i'm supposing for a variety of reasons including the fact that there are very few heroes So we have a tendency Of giving honor to men That sometimes can go to their heads And sometimes the men who are being given this honor begin to not only appreciate the honor But they can begin to expect it from people And when that minister begins to expect the honor from people That minister begins to slowly fall into the trap of forgetting That that minister is exactly what the term means a servant Someone who has been called by god to be a servant When that person begins to give messages That they themselves cannot live up to And people cease expecting them to because after all they're so busy and so important in the church of So large and there's so many things going on When we begin to expect less from them They're also able to live in a less appropriate way On the other hand if we expect too much from them We can cause them to be discouraged. There needs to be a balance What we have today in church and i've seen it and there are failures There's some men who were were very popular and had very large works I was reading of one particular individual whose ministers in another state whose congregation was somewhere around 30 000 people Who recently was fired by his board for not living up to the qualifications of an alder in his own church So his board fired him and this is a man whose influence was 30 000 people But whose whose total influence in the general area including other areas was up to a hundred thousand people And this person Began to drink and as he began to drink he began to use it to deal with his depression as he began using it with his depression He began to violate biblical Mores and have problem in his marriage and before you know it There are the people standing up in front. There's his elder standing up in front of his church This just happened last week standing up in front of his church saying The pastor so-and-so is no longer pastoring this church What happens is we get bigger we can a minister can get bigger in his own estimation And we'll always have people who are there carrying him along To make him feel as important as he's as he's feeling be careful how you treat those who are supposed to be serving you And make sure that whoever it is that is serving That you encourage them in the ways of the lord because at the end of the at the end of everything The only thing that really matters is whether that person encouraged you to know jesus better And you had an opportunity to grow better and closer to the lord. That's the key in all ministry In this particular case what they did to the nazarists is they gave them They they actually encouraged them to break their vow You know, you don't have to be So consecrated But not only did they encourage them to live less than their vows that they had given to god But they also told them and don't be talking to us. They commanded the prophet saying stop prophesying We don't want holy people and we don't want holy word We don't want either one And that's what happens when a congregation gets away from the god of the word You don't expect anything And so he's saying what you have done Is you have given them wine and told them to keep quiet in Jeremiah chapter 6 verses 16 and 17 It says thus says the lord Stand in the ways and see ask for the old paths where the good way is walk in it Then you will find rest for your souls, but they say we will not walk in it Also, I said watchman over you saying listen to the sound of the trumpet But they said we will not listen And so that's what's taking place Speak to us smooth things Be one of us Years ago 30 almost 35 years ago now I was teaching a bible sit down a Sunday morning And I said I still remember I was standing there and I was I was trying to be as serious as I could And I said as a pastor I I want to Make sure that that I that I don't stumble you my my my life is supposed to be spotless now I was 31 years old at that time young man And I said my life is supposed to be an evidence of the grace and power of god And and I don't want to be a stumbling block to you and then I said this I said What would you feel like if I invited you and it was a hypothetical I said if I invited you to my house What would happen if you came to my house and you walked up to one of my cabinets and you opened up The cabinet and you looked in and you found a bottle of whiskey What would you do and that was just a rhetorical question? I wasn't expecting a response But there was a guy sitting in the front row and when I said if you found a bottle of whiskey In my house, what would you do and he yelled out in church? He said I'd help you drink it pastor That wasn't what I wanted to hear I'd help you drink it No, that's not what I want you to say. I want you to say that isn't proper I want you to say that that wouldn't edify me um I don't know and I don't I'm I'm gonna get weird here. I shouldn't but I'll take a moment and I will um I'm over 21 I know it surprises you I know They don't card me except for senior discounts, but um So that means that legally right I have the right To leave this study and go down the street go into a bar and drink Right, I do. I have that right What would happen if I did What would happen if you came into one of the local restaurants where Marie and I go to quite often in the area But what would you feel like and I'm I'm not asking to respond, but what would you feel like? alphabetically If you came in and there I was with a picture drink and bury it in my pizza Would you say praise the lord? I've got a cool and hip pastor Is that what you would think would you would you think that? I I don't I don't maybe you would maybe you think that's cool. Maybe you think that's holiness Maybe you think that's a spiritual leader. Maybe you think that's all right. What's the problem? Why might make an issue maybe you do I can guarantee you there are huge amounts of people who would be stumbled by that Huge they would see me and they'd say no wait. Wait a minute. Wait. Wait. You were an alcoholic. You've told us your testimony You couldn't drink a beer. You drank six packs In my Friday night started with a quart of beer and a half gallon of wine. That's how it started when I was 17 So I was a drunk. I wasn't a drinker. I was a drunk and I've shared that with you And if you walked in and you saw me at one of the local restaurants here eating a burger and having a beer I'm sure some of you would be stumbled. I'm sure that you would say that's not right. I've told you there's a church It's in New York. It's Hillsong in New York They have beer and baptism And it's cool. The people love it. They stand in line to get in Stand in line to get in that's a fact And if you're not 15 minutes while if you're 15 minutes early, you don't get in That's how many people go beer and baptism Is there anything That doesn't go together Like the words beer and baptism But some people some people maybe even right now or who will hear this will say don't be illegalistic What's wrong with you man the bible and you'll get your argument going with me About why you have freedom in christ to do that I have never met Maybe they're maybe they exist. I haven't met and I've only been a christian 45 years so I Haven't ever met a beer guzzling evangelist I just haven't People who love the lord abstain from the flesh They abstain from the flesh They died of things that may have they may have liberty to do But for the sake of the gospel of jesus christ and for the lost Their liberties and their freedoms No Now listen, I'll say this because I want you to hear this Um, if I ever walked into a restaurant and you're sitting there with a beer, I'm not going to walk up and go I'm not I'm not going to judge you and I'm not going to be harsh with you. I'm not I'm not I'm not going to do that understand that I'm not judging you But I am seeing this When a people want their ministers To be just as fleshly as the most carnal person There's something wrong with that church There's something wrong with that church There's something wrong with their understanding of salvation There's something wrong with their definition of holiness and separation to god and the nation of israel The nation of israel Was saying To the nazareth the one who was dedicated to god Drink some wine And to the prophet who was speaking forth the mind of god Don't talk to us anymore And that's why god said i'm bringing judgment on you I'm bringing judgment on you Because holiness is disregarded and undermined And god's word is despised And I will judge you for that May god wake the church up Because we're in danger In verse 13 following I am weighed down by you As a cart is weighed down That is full of sheaves Therefore Flight shall perish from the swift The strong shall not strengthen his power Nor shall the mighty deliver himself He shall not stand who handles the bow The swift of foot shall not deliver himself Nor shall he who rides a horse deliver himself The most courageous men of might Shuffly naked in that day Says the lord You have burdened me is what he's saying I'm weighed down by you What a comet I am weighed down by you And because your sins have loaded me to the point of weighing me down The result is judgment And it is sure The things that you have relied on Are the things That will not protect you the things That you would ordinarily do to escape Will not Allow for escape this time And god is saying to israel for the things that you've done for these transgressions For your injustice For your immorality For these kinds of things god says Judgment is sure And I will bring it upon you Those are very very sobering words In the midst of all of that God still desires to do a work of grace in the nation And god still desires to do a work of grace in us God help us God help us the church in the 21st century God help us to love his word And to say god every day god fill me with your spirit Because it's through your word and by the power of your holy spirit That i'm going to be able to have the victorious life and the darkness that is surrounding this nation in this world Without your word and without your power I'm helpless But lord I'm asking you to fill me with your spirit And may I abide by your word So that as I walk with you you might bless me and I might be a blessing to others God does bring judgment on israel But as we continue going through amos you'll also see he has a great plan for the nation We'll get there soon enough


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