Art are That's the beginning of the record That's perfect because that's the best way that I could be Introduced. Yeah, we're watching Lord of the Rings the fellowship They call it a trilogy You're wrong that theme was on point wasn't it? That's the one I love more door The by Howard Williams or whatever the guy with the orchestra. I think yeah This is the Mm-hmm Lord of ring golem Lord of ring no no no the Lord of ring Yeah, so I get it right. Yeah, I've always preferred Lord of ring though. It's funny The Lord of ring, I don't know I feel like the the in front of it makes it funnier because it's the Lord of Ring ring like it's ring like it's not just Lord of ring It's got to be the Lord of ring a great game With an apology that they Stem I recently said that they didn't even know was released So yes, it was definitely AI and the developers didn't even know about it They didn't even know that they released an apology. I think that was it. Yeah, that was the game It seems to be on brand for them really The quality of the game is so fun.  Yeah No, they're like, I thought this was just a joke Why did you release it?  Anyway, that's that's as great as intros you need to say that we're gonna watch one of the greatest Trilogy's of all time if not the greatest trilogy of all time the greatest I mean it's it is great, isn't it? Yeah, and we'd like for you to join us I suppose or at least watch this video while we commentate on what's so great And so terrible that part will be pretty quick. I'd imagine. Yeah, you guys ready? Yep. I'm ready. All right Three two one go much that once was is lost for none now live who remember it I opened up my file and like the the media player and not vlc so I can't add subtitles Oh, you should just listen to the movie then Everyone shut up for the next three hours and 20 minutes and It will make it easier for me to pay attention It began with the forging of the great rings. It's nice to hear the real Galadriel It'll be cool when they make a tv show going over all the construction of these rings. It's gonna be great The greatest of elven smiths did not know it an alloy. What did you know that you can mix metals together? What what is this devil ray and nine? Nine rings were gifted to the race of men Which is your favorite nine mortal men doomed to die minus four Um, I think six has got a lot going on. I don't know. I like nine because you can say it like it's nine But they were all of them deceived For another ring was made. It's funny how I'm seeing all this I haven't seen these since having seen rings of power. So it's on the brain Yeah, I haven't seen it. Does that pollute it for you? Not at all It's more so just like look at the source that they almost just try to destroy He poured his cruelty his malice and his will to dominate all life But it was a great way to start these movies this quick I mean for those who hadn't read Tolkien to to be able to really in a very short economical period of time They set the stage. You know exactly what's going on three lands of middle earth fell to the power of the ring But there were some Who resisted I always did like the fact that this takes place like Two and a half thousand years before like the present and yet technology has not advanced the single bit in that entire time Yeah, that's like every single fantasy series Yeah, that yeah time lock for eternity I love that that scene where they all just like swing their swords in units and it's like this giant machine like meat grinder Yeah, it's so cool What do you guys think about having Sauron personified as a single figure? I didn't love it But I get why it was necessary on the screen just to give you some sort of like give the audience Some kind of representation of it. I'm really glad that they didn't go with the original idea to have Aragorn fight him I agree with that. Yeah, yeah I remember when this came out and the discussions were being had because it's so damn good The amount of problems people will have with it very weird and specific and I remember people in like Do you think it's a little goofy? That's a big tower with an eye. That's the bad guy Isildur son of the king took up his father's sword It is something to chew on like it does having read the books is a bit different, but yeah, pretty good with it But you have other characters like what when like Elrond says his eye is focused Elrond says his eye is focused here. You have other characters saying it and it sounds cool Well, that's the thing, right?  Yeah Sauron, the enemy of the free peoples of Middle Earth was defeated.  It's the most important thing in this entire series was setting up like how wonderful the Shire is Yeah, and you would think it would almost seem like such a It's such a jarring juxtaposition between all this like world shatter and stuff and the Shire Did not intend but the way the outside world slowly starts to intrude upon it And you know the the nine riders are sent out after Frodo and they start to encounter them as they're making their way Yeah, it's pretty well done.  I think a new view would be like really really Can you give the ring to someone who's big and strong it's like, ah, but that's the point hobbits must seem of little importance Be neither renowned as great warriors nor counted among the very wise I do like the fact that Frodo Is like you're late and what's so great about that is that he can get in Gandalf's face Like he has no problem Criticizing him so it establishes right away the friendship between these two characters has been remarked by some That hobbits only real and passionate for food It's um, it's wonderful how much the dialogue can catch you up on the relationships a lot of these characters have As we have also developed a keen interest in the brewing of ales and the smoking of pipe weed Remember that remember we used to get good dialogue that told you a lot with very little I mean this is outright a feast in terms of artwork. You get everything in this that where our hearts truly lie Is in peace acquired They didn't use um cg to shrink I mean the fact that they're using scale doubles and a lot of it Even though they're doing multiple passes force perspective the camera stuff is mind blowing my first saw how they did that I was like, wow, it was amazing. The biggest chickens they could possibly find to put next to the people I love how every time you get a close-up of the ring.  Yes. Oh my god Yeah, well if bill would hit like a hundred years it would be time to eat him. Yeah, probably a wizard is never late Frodo Baggins noise. He early. He arrives precisely when he means to remember that shan connery Was almost cast as he was he turned it down I feel like we'd all be lying if we said we wouldn't want to see what it looked like. I am very curious, yeah I didn't think I'm sure I could build both birds Compared to Ian McKellen. I think he would have been terrible But it would have been interesting to see all the same half the shy has been invited and the rest of them are turning up anyway No, another thing about this movie that people forget is they were pioneering color grading software It was really the way they were able to create power windows and and and eye lights and accentuate that stuff And so life in the shire goes on Very much as it has this past age It's very handcrafted, but the the color grading in this film is is absolutely Beautifully done There's as much going on there as there was with Andrew Lesney's cinematography like everything else. It gives this film a bespoke Handcrafted Savile Row feel of things are made to endure in the shire Passing from one generation to the next They try and duplicate it in other movies, but they can't part of it I think it so important is it was made at the exactly the right time like I don't think this works 20 years earlier or later Well, look at the hobbit opening compared to this opening. Yeah night and day He's up to something All right, then keep your secrets But I know you have something to do with it This is all it it's like you're watching sometimes a watercolor painting Yes, um, you know like really like painting come to life Yeah, and it really was I mean they they had two fantasy artists They had the two best hulking artists in the world working on this the whole time, you know painting imagery john howe and and um Alan Lee never had any adventures or did anything unexpected If you're referring to the incident with the dragon, I was barely involved and they um The fact that the fact that everybody was on the same page that they had all of these people in creative key positions That were all really serving this singular vision And while peter definitely was and philippa and fran were filtering it all without what was going on with wetta and wetta workshop And wetta digital. I mean they always nothing was ever good enough. They were always making it better Remember those days you feel it you've been officially labeled a disturber of the piece You feel it in every frame. It also helps that there was like over a year just to prep for the movie before they started shooting anything Where's with the hobbit?  Yeah, the hobbit movies are incredibly farce in terms of real content. Yeah You feel the stretching of those films. It's the overload of cartoonish action scenes that are super heavy on cgi It's very tonally inconsistent The fact that they were originally planning on doing only two movies and then the studio was like how about three Yeah, it just kind of tells you everything about how fucked the studio based based on a book It's got like 200 pages to work with And what about very old friends I mean you could make three movies out of it But because you have a whole bunch of characters to work with but the character work in the hobbit trilogy is really kind of bad It's thin as fuck Well, I mean I challenge you to to really tell me anything about the dwarves I think there I think only like four of the dwarves actually matter Yeah, there's just like interchangeable with one another there's thorn. There's the old guy. There's the one with the hat There's the bald guy and then there's those two brothers who really only matter because That was the big takeaway I had what I first saw the first one was that I can't remember much of the Anything about the differences between the dwarves while in lord the rings the fellowship is so well characterized and sort of the Individuals grouped together. Even though there's a lot of hobbits in there You'd think oh, maybe we'll have some trouble with that. It's like no mary and pip in sam and frodo They are very distinct. I can make you some eggs if you look Just tea Fellowship and not to get ahead but two towers are like a master class and like getting to know your characters Even in these long movies in a pretty quick amount of time with rohan in two towers You you get all these new characters like you know five minutes That's actually crazy because I don't even remember when I was first seeing it I was just like who are all these people and you know after like 10 minutes. I was like, oh gee. I hope these guys work out Okay, great. Yeah. What a great intro to like theodin and worm tong and amir I want to see mountains again Mountains gandalf and then find somewhere quiet where I can finish my book The casting in these movies is so wonderful. The difficult question would be who's the worst casting choice in all of the trilogy There is none. That's the answer. That's kind of where it goes. Where is the trilogy ever made? You know choosing movibob as the troll was an interesting one I feel thin Sort of stretched like But scraped over too much bread. Yes. Get in there finest weed in the southpaw What I'll say about live tyler and Orlando bloom I think that both of them have trouble with acting in a lot of their roles But they were kind of perfectly cast for the roles they had in this After moria, there's a lot of really good acting from Orlando bloom when he's like Druggling to kind of come to grips with the fact that gandalf died. Yeah It looks like you shook him because gandalf is someone that he's known to be and he looks really young I mean he was he was he was basically a newly minted actor You compare that to rings of power and my god Well, none of the actors in rings of power looked like elves and it wasn't even really just like I wouldn't even say It's just the look. It's the way they like held themselves to they don't seem elvish Yeah And the way that they are here a lot of the actors and the people that they choose for the elves They just don't look like elves. They just look like some guy gill glad just like he just looks like a guy He looks like he works at the jiffy loom You couldn't there's this great effort upon each of the places let alone those like species in middle earth that they've They've tried to characterize it. They create a sense of culture There's a huge even the hobbit did this well Glad drill is just some bitch gill glad is some guy hella born is just some there are just people And they should be sun's first light crept over the top of the trees And turned them all to stone It was it was like it was when an actor makes a choice how to play a part They were also making choices from a production standpoint what they would do to accentuate these characters to differentiate them from one another I don't know why I took you in after your mother and father died, but it wasn't that of charity You were the one baggins that showed real All the races when they when they talk about Rohan, I mean the design of the armor the design of the the colors they used in the fabrics Were different than the fabrics they would use for the elves or different than what they used in gondor And you see all of that in the film.  Everyone is they sound kind of the same There's like a patchwork everywhere you go Everywhere it just looks like everywhere looks like downtown la even though they shot the first season down in new zealand It's like they didn't employ the landscape Well, whatever you're looking at has that weird tv fantasy look to it The whole shire obviously it's shot on location for the most part And it's it's very mundane very normal and it gradually eases you into the other fantasy elements They come in more and more as you get through the story and it's again It's a great way of grounding it in reality and making you buy into the world because what you see initially is very real I don't know how many you have as well as I should like and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve It helps when you get to Moria it is a very powerful like tonal shift and sort of world shift because you've been in pretty Normal places the shire on the way between here and brie and from brie to rivendell Even rivendell is like okay like we're fantasy, but it's kind of it's nice. It's really nice You know, it's nothing crazy Then you hit moria and everything's super dark and underground and it's like, you know boom It hits really really hard if it was made 20 years earlier or 20 years later It was like made at the perfect time when visual effects were becoming more of a part of movie making And we're able to like accentuate and work in places where they couldn't use practical But they I mean look at these sets, you know, I suppose you think that was terribly clever Come on Gandalf Did you see their faces? Why shouldn't I keep it? I think you should leave the ring behind Oh my business isn't yours when I do with my own things Do not take me for some conjular of cheap tricks Imagine if fucking disney made this like everything around them would be just green screen And I think that's a problem because like even a scene where where gandalf first goes and talks to sauram on it at At isengard, they'll show you an establishing shot that has an effect that's combined with live action And it'll pan down and you'll see the two of them talking outside But they're they're fairly medium shots medium to close-up shots So there's they don't have to put visual effects in them and it's them talking in real environments Then you cut to an effect shot it feels much more seamless But when you're in environments that are completely generated and there's no reality in them You don't get that same feel and this movie does both all the time and so you buy into it trying to help you The ring must go to Frodo You know there's something um, it's I've noticed it's just like it seems to be an amazon specific issue I mean other places have this issue But like if you've seen other amazon shows they literally all look exactly the same Wheel of time looks exactly the same as rings of power.   They throw cg goo on everything. It's like a weird filter where they think it looks better I thought up an ending for my book And he lived happily ever after that was such a bad way to start to it represented that perfect Because that sign ended up in Jeff Bezos's office. So he's like, hey, I'm gonna make this red sign Let's just make it a promo because this is my giant vanity project The sort of like attitudes and everything that you'd have them say something like, you know with the set dress And it's like, oh, we can ask the cg guys to put in some extra bits and bobs in the background It's like, no, no, no. You've already lost you were supposed to want to do it You were supposed to want to create all this stuff Like that's the spirit of like the whole thing when they're coming up with like what's in bilbo's room You know that passionate people are like, well, what would he have in his room? What do we know he has at his room?  I hope his son disowned him It feels like this era was like, oh, yes, make it with love But this this era where it currently was like, why don't we try hate? No, this this era is like I'm given this thing to make and I'm actually I just want to make a completely different story That's mine, and I'm just gonna don't understand And I'm just gonna We'll port that into it. That's there too.  Let me fix it Tolkien was problematic. So let's make something antithetical to everything that guy was about I think I forgot most of rings of power, but I am I can't I can't get out of my head Yep, this is definitely where the bad guys live It would just be fantastic if this is where the goodies are based. It's like, oh man, we need to get we got a bad rap Hey, they just like really angular architecture. Okay. Yes. It's such a beautiful model though. I love it Look at this. Oh the green I don't think a lot of that's to code though And this it's like calm down film. I can only coom so many times in a row. I know dude. No, that's not good. Didn't the nine come out It's like It's funny because people watching that in the cinema. He didn't know the books We'd have thought they were coming out of Baradur, but it's like a completely different city that they're they're coming out Of the year 34 34 of the second age Follows the account They are covering so much time here. They're coming almost two decades here I remember finding out about that when I was super young. I was like what? It's like, yeah What happens here? Gendell fucks off for a long time It has come to me the one ring. It should be an item of my kingdom. Proto leaves when he's 50 Okay, yeah, it's like a solid 30 years between chapters But it's an elegant way of of making changes in a sort in source material that doesn't necessarily Really have that much of an effect, but you have to understand how to do it well Mordor was created in a day Old man wall dregs You know that as the years went on sarong killed everyone who knew that he was like no one will know that this was started by some hobo And the more you find out about the ringwraiths the more terrifying they are One of my favorite things about fantasy in general are the monsters that you can get out of them and The Nazgul are just like my favorite. We still don't really know who the ringwraiths They were just kings of men not all of them were kings of men some of them might have been sorcerers too But um, there is letters and stuff that one there might be some former new minorians in there.  Yeah, they fell because they were flawed They'll be small as well. They'll just seem small people Yeah, and they want everything in that show seems small Well, that's that's the thing this the nuance of lord of the rings a lot of people consider it a very simple story But like I feel like a lot of this is telling it's like very good people You can have flaws that can lead to very dark paths if they're not, you know Stullwater sort of thing, but there's always a way back that sort of stuff Maybe they'll do the same thing that shadow of war did and make a seal door one of the Nazgul That was cool. That's totally not infuriating I don't know his character rings of power was very confusing and contradictory.  Is it secret? Is it safe? It is kind of insane if he had Frodo understand the full gravity of what's gonna happen There are markings. It's some form of elvish. I can't read it There are a few who can I wonder if Frodo would have agreed Listen kid, you're gonna get fucked up one ring to rule them all one ring to find them One ring to bring them all into the darkness Fight them. I think Frodo would have gone even if he understood That's who he is in the books You get a bit of this where he's like kind of yearning to get out into the world and have an adventure Just like Bilbo did and you don't really see that here because there's not enough time But that might be the ring causing him to do that ring has awoken It's heard its masters call. No one knows it's here. Do they Do they Gandalf? Yeah, you can call this a key moment a call to adventure Who goes there? But uh, yes, yes in the book he talks about I've been you know, he's they take he's taken long walks talking the door You must take it. You kill it off and made this ring. I'm giving it to you. Don't Pet me Frodo There's some really good stuff in terms of obviously that bit with bilbo earlier that made gave you a sense that gandalf's Powerful he's very old.  I've ever been Well, yeah, and it tells you so much about sam and like what an insular life He's lived into some extent Frodo as well because they've probably only been walking for like a couple of days It's like this is as far as I've ever gone Yeah, and it's like a boundary you'd remember but you've never felt like you've never needed to cross it Yeah, and that was life for most people 100 years ago 80 years ago, but I cannot stay in the shine. No He must leave and leave quickly. I'll be waiting for you At the end of the prancing pony Hobbits really are amazing creatures And that's what Tolkien was on about.  Have you been eavesdropping? I've been dropping no eaves through all this and throughout history That's why people used to you know The peasants used to join the lords army or whatever because that was their chance to go somewhere A little late for trimming the birds. Don't you think they're too late to trim the verge ladies What if you like a bit of the verge a little bit of verge is all right. Don't mean anything unnatural No, I've thought of a better use for you. Makes you wonder if there were several hobbits out there would get off Just feel like you're all going to The town drunk is there. He's like yep you Come along samwise keep up The enemy has many spies in his service birds Beasts never put it on for the agents of the dark lord will be drawn to its power Never put it on unless you want to go invisible pretty neat Good luck Anyway, bye Ian mckellon killed it in this movie. He was robbed. He should have gotten academy award Ring is trying to get back to its master Every person who had even a finger involved in any of the creation of this should go to oscar All three movies should one take look at him Look at that a relocation To edit where after this every time sam takes a step he says In the videos like 17 hours long It's like it's it's been it's been six months sam's can you stop? I get it sam jesus if I take one more step. It'll be the farthest away from home. I've ever been If I take one more step Look at him already. Oh Saruman and again just the the story of how he wanted to be gandalf even had the blessing to be gandalf, but man You are sure of this beyond any doubt So the ring of power has been you like the best saruman possible I like that.  Yeah, I love this set So good.  It really is look at the god rays, you know the voluminous lighting his gaze pierces cloud shadow earth and flesh This always reminds me as well Like seeing him here and like how how focused and intense he is it just reminds me of the hobbit where like christopher lee is clearly Yeah fading out and he just looks so plasticky and fake Wait, you didn't like the massive action sequence where Galadriel Elrond and Saruman are in the big epic action sequence fighting off all of the ghosty ring rays No, that I loved I honestly was waiting for him to go. It's wizard in time and then he wizards all over the back Yeah, I like that scene. I have special personal reasons for liking him a great eye Lidlis Reathed in flame But I was actually going to say the uh, I liked about that scene as well the dialogue He's he's bigging up sarron hugely very soon He will have summoned an army great enough to launch an assault upon middle earth And I think first time around you might be like well He says he's just trying to make the threat clear. It's like well No, he's kind of on his team, but he's trying to already convince Gandalf It's like this guy is pretty strong. We should probably oh, we do not know who else may be watching There it is.  They preach the sun Have you seen that behind the scenes clip where uh, christfully's trying to walk down those stairs? He's like peter I can't I'm gonna trip over Provides persuade. I'm sorry. I cannot get up these goddamn steps smoothly.  He's talking about how then the nine are heading to the shy to find Frodo and gandalf's like Jesus Christ You know, we gotta go in this it's indicative that saruman is not a good guy in modern stuff That would just been the dialogue. It's like, oh, why didn't you tell me that earlier? Are you evil? We must join with sorrow turn me And when did saruman the wise abandon reason for madness see this is where you want gandalf to be like Oh, you're a little cuck. You cucked out. Look at you. That's right Saruman the cuck That's cheating It did kind of make me laugh You have elected the way of pain Music oh so good. You know, I saw this movie for the first time when I was like Five or six. I think and I always remembered years later that isengard theme Oh, yeah, you know that Uh Yeah, there's a lot of great Free in my head for years It's a really good one and I've got tons of those great leitmotifs throughout the soundtrack Sam, we're still in the shire. What could possibly happen? There's so much deliberate choices in the action ad dialogue for introducing a character Well and the music as well well really basically all the filmmaking A lot of the assumptions are people ask like favorite characters The first thing that comes to mind might be a gandalf an aragorn or frodo the main character Maybe but this is like mary and pippen might be thought of as like, oh, yeah, they're more comic relief It's like the fucking stories those two have I like that the movie can have little moments of Lighthearted brevity like this before going into the creepy shit that happens in 45 seconds Oh, it's a full package one of the reasons why it's kind of easy to point to a lot of the rings Like this trilogy is what what's a good way of like introducing films to somebody who's never seen a film before however that Manages happen a lot of the rings is like a really easy choice because it's so it's so balanced, isn't it a shortcut Short cut to what my streams On the one hand, absolutely on the other maybe don't show them this yet. It'll spoil the rest of the other films And their expectations too high It's like, oh man, this was so great. What what other Lord of the Rings things could I watch having watched this in some of Most formative years the assumption at the time was that film is incredible Imagine where we'll go and then it sort of became like that was great. Let's watch it again Yeah, which isn't so bad I mean we talk about how we're in one of the Insanest and unluckiest timelines ever for you know the amount of franchises that have been burned down But we lucked out huge with this set of movies the other timelines don't get to have this But we at least got to see how good they can be and like there's people who are growing up now Who are going to assume that that's the standard of movie making like the garbage that we have to put up with today That shot with the Nazca The Hobbit's so good I love that shot that shows that like there's fucking nails inside that horse's hoof It doesn't draw a lot of attention to the little things in the costume design, but you can notice them Now it's conspicuous. You've ruined it forever. No, he's accentuated it and it's wonderful and beautiful and amazing and when I was a kid I actually thought that those bugs were coming out of the Nazgul that would be disturbing the I remember watching the director's commentary for this and like they're thinking was like this This presence of this thing just drives out Life in all its forms like they want to get out of the ground because like the energy of this thing's just infected it It's so interesting to think about all of the techniques that you know The purpose is to be invisible but at the same time, you know, it's its presence is apparent Right like the magnets underneath the floor when the ring hits the ground to make it feel like a heavy burden's being dropped Because it's the size of a dinner plate, right the The one like in the snow I wonder if they made a giant hand for that giant ring Well, what was cool about like the production of this is like almost the entire trilogy was fully Storyboarded before they started filming so they planned out a ton of these shots well before they actually got out of the family Why do that? Why can't you just spontaneously wow now? Like oh, yeah, no, we haven't finished the script and I have no idea where this story is leading I don't know what everybody else is doing I Imagine storyboarding it out really helped at the CGI in this movie too because I've heard from like Especially people who work on the CGI for Marvel movies right now They don't bring the CGI artists on the set to actually look at shit And when you don't do that and you then you make like shots And then you just assume that the CGI artists can work around that you got like this Mess on screen that could just be fixed if you storyboarded it out and had people who knew what they were doing around A lot of these early films because visual effects were still new It was like a part of the process that had to be integrated like it was necessary that it was integrated into a lot of the other Yeah, like a lot of the A lot of the attitudes and formats for creation were stuff they did out of necessity And have since become something that they should strive to do because it had such great results What do you want whereas now it's just like well Yeah, I mean we can use the computers to achieve a lot of things like it's just a ubiquitous thing that's available and present But without that like foresight and planning and like all of those attempts while actually filming to make sure that everything is Layed out to make the task easier to get better results Then you get stuff like fucking marvel movies where everything looks awful when there's really no reason that it should look that bad I do like how he's got a separate looking hole just specifically for hobbits.  I hope nothing bad happens here It's the gradual intrusion of the real world into the shire as well Like it's still got some of the look and feel of the shire, but it's bigger and it's more sinister At least different now Moving through the world. Yeah, the adventure has begun Something that's a bit more explicit in the book But as alluded to a couple times in the movies is that there's people Like further east you go that just straight up don't even know what a hobbit is because they haven't been around for very long So it's also them just like realizing what the world really is like beyond the safety of the shire It's like the real world the further east you go the less people know about hobbits God that was funny, didn't you? That follows them nothing but staring you since we arrived What's uh, hey law expo what's grand elf gray haim is that like a surname it's one of his many names Hmm. He's so greedy he had to have more than one name, huh wrong crow He's got a bunch of names. It's when he does something Horrifying and so he gets a new alias. It's like that was That was the storm crow guy that I wasn't I didn't do that. He's one of them rangers Dangerous folk they are one of the wilds around here He's known as strider. I saw a really funny photo shop where pippin's over at the bar And he's like, yeah, that's froto and all the people around him or the nascool Yeah, you need that compensation. It's like where where you're looking for it. It's like He's like, all right. Yeah Like vigil mortensen was heavily into this, right? He was gonna make this work no matter what I think he essentially is aragorn. Like this is just how he lives Like he went around this set. He carried his sword with him everywhere I like the videos of him like they they hit cut and he's like running off to go fishing before they film the next scene Baggins I'm sure I know a baggy. He's over there.  They can just go invisible Are they just going yet? Is that's the power that they have? No wonder we've never you don't know what they are I I love the slowed down Like nay that horse makes when they realize that the ring's being used. Yeah, it's just really creepy sounding I see Oh, look at it You know sarin you don't come across as very chill and happy He needs to read like how to win friends and influence people What do you want a little more caution from you that is no trinket you carry carry nothing Developers talking to like a therapist about he's like I present myself as a huge fiery aggable I'm just imagining him like as the big flaming bull sitting on a chair You know sitting at laying down on the psychologist couch We're just a regular guy. Are you frightened? Yes, not really frightened enough.  That's the kind of shit that I always love to see in media is when characters have an overt reputation You can see them do it The strong characteristics given to characters really quickly in action scenes like sam leading the charge there and Having his fists out against the guy with with a sword. It just becomes so clear how much he cares about Frodo Maybe the mud is so soft that he's perfectly fine fine. Yeah We need a stinger of him like crawling out from under the door Or like he just punches punches through the door bloody Nazgul every time You just hear a knocking from the other side of the muffle Oh that that shot with butterburr though with the with the Nazgul and their knives. God, it's so good.  They coming Aragorn's rep and attitude matched that of a really like great warrior and everything and you do see him fight individual fights But it's just the the boss ones that I like that really sells the skill Feel foul It's foul enough I'm really looking forward to am on hand.  Rivendell Master Gamgee The house of O-Rom Well, it was a show and tell in my school and friend of mine in year four He was just going to do show and tell Lord of the Rings simple as that and be like Lord of the Rings is great I love Lord of the Rings now.  Well a lot of girls would be like It never even registered me to me as scary, you know aragorn versus lirts. It was just like No, it's just like that's time by that point.  They're all like the same to me. Oh my god.  I like that they used scenes like this just to integrate like little moments of the lore Like it's not really relevant. Well, it's a little bit relevant to the plot It just helps flesh out the world a little bit more even if you don't necessarily need to know the story of baron and luthien But it's just a little goes a long way, doesn't it? It gives it a much more like a sense of being like a bigger place than what you see Just because this is what we're seeing doesn't mean that this is the bounds of this world I want to plant here the medieval telephones. Yeah, look at that. I look so good though Yeah, no, I know it's stunning before it would be like, oh, it's the cg You incorporate correctly there.  Yeah Presumably is that because he knows now the full scope of the plan so to speak I think it's just really mentally overwhelming just to be exposed to that we have work to do Do you remember what it does to Pippin? Yeah, yeah, you're on right?  He can't even pull away. I always found the interesting part is Aragorn touches it for like a second, right? And he's like knocked out almost.  I know obvious, but still something I just want to acknowledge Is like the soundtrack reflects like the naturalistic sort of elements with the shire and then with the bad guys very much clanking metal Oh I represent that as like an industrial version of well and and some of it is like the actually using chain It's got that tin tin tin tin tin tin tin tin tin before like the brass comes in and that's like all Some of this stuff is actually hard to compliment because you take it for granted sometimes But like the way the the orcs look are incredible all the orcs and they're all It's smacked with it all at once you just sort of just like yeah, this is all amazing more please Easy for you Keep them close no one thought it conspicuous that Aragorn just had a bunch of Hobbit-sized swords like he's purposely trying to create a little army of soldiers I guess in the book you get more from this like they actually get them from a Little adventure that they go on there's a whole thing where they have to fight like um barrel whites like these like Which is kind of cool, but it does have thong bombadil in it as well. So yeah When you're one of the nards cool at this point, you're like do you think this is unfair?   I love that.  Are we like are we leaving are we not?   Yeah, he's like like help me out get the eagles travel You need me to travel high for her I don't think i'm equipped for this. We just explains the whole plan to over the box goes. No, are there any lamps where i'm going? Boy, I do love lamps. I love lamp. Do you really love lamp or are you just saying you love lamp? I actually watched that recently.  It's so good Are they making the crusty burger ribwitch? In Mordor? I don't think so Authentic letter of grated meat and praises the hell out of it I don't mind the taste I mean the clean answer is no frigging. They are not but yeah, this is the crusty burger ribwitch All right, calm down if he kills that guy's sorry. I was gonna be like that's your breakfast now By the way, we're not wasting a single thing here. That was your dad. That was your father You killed him. I will call you rupa It's great like these things have literally just been born and they like shove them into armor and give them swords Dude, they're they're bored like where's a walk give me a walk right now. Let's go Is he going to die? He's passing into the shadow.  The great moth. She's like yeah, yeah, i'm friends of the great moth. Yeah He's just like if you I'll take anything at this point. I don't know what's happening.  He mentioned the shadow world We must get him to my father There are five rates behind you I was just thinking about what you said earlier. I'm all about how like live tyler's not really known as an actress Necessarily but like that sort of makes her perfect for a role like this where she kind of seems based out Anyway, where the other four I do not know One might describe Live tyler and orlando bloom as actors Paralyzed to some extent and that can be helpful when playing an elf because they are very uh stoic to an extent.  Yeah, there's a smoke trail behind it Like they're still steen coming out of his face You know quiet quiet just makes everything better. I'm just saying That's a good trivia question. What's arwin's horse's name rumsfeld. It's supposed to be glorfindel That's a kind of funny day You know like Nazgul is one of the coolest fucking names in fantasy glorfindel is is not as cool It's not it's a little it's a little Glorfindel's the name of the the goofy elf Hawking did make literally the funniest name ever written in the history of fantasy. Which one teleporno I shit you not that's a real I think that's like Teleporno that I love that name Teleporno is amazing. Is that a spell? Tolkien was a visionary.  It's ethereal. It's not ethereal. It's retarded. I love this movie, but that's a horrifically bad shot Even the Frodo one looks awkward like it looks like you could do it in your own editing thing pretty quick The aragorn one is hilarious The aragorn one looks like the beginnings of a horrible fever dream Yes And you're lucky to be here too. Oh new location already looks so distinct and awesome. Look at it The candle's lit It's moody. What happened gandalf? Why didn't you meet us? Oh, I'm sorry Frodo. It is serene, isn't it? You want to wake up here? This is good stuff. It really is such a sharp contrast between all of the locations You know, this is we're only like a very short way into the total adventure and there's still plenty more variety Yeah, we're not even a sixth of the way through this the whole story The main plot hasn't technically happened yet Friendship of saruman is not likely thrown aside You just said a friendship with saruman is not likely thrown aside. He's like we are still friends, right? Like I know you don't want to fight with saran and everything, but we're friends embrace the power of the ring or embrace your own destruction You unfollowed me on twitter gandalf. Why there is only one lord of the ring And he does not Power I search a good line What you want when you got a one liner to a villain is something you know is going to sit in the back of their head Exactly something that they're going to still on saran would never betray me. I'm really cool So you have chosen death Then you just need that moment of saran being like don't listen to that gandalf guy. You can trust me Look at these mountains. Oh here. Yeah, it's gorgeous It is fascinating to think about how much of like new zealand as a country like globally is defined by this film series Like I mean it really is like a huge aspect of how they're under like known around the world I mean, was this the first movie to really make use of new zealand as a film in location? Um like first high profile probably not the first certainly high profile.  I want to go there It looks like a painting come to life a movie made more than 20 years ago and it looks this good Part of it, right is that the quest there's an assumption that like we've done it We've reached the end. I was like, uh, well, that was a really great hour and a half long movie Plot hole plot hole. He did not look like that earlier plot hole. He also wrote the book It wasn't written before now it written is That brain hole right there That agent seems to finally caught up with me.  Oh dude nailed casting again played Frodo in the bbc radio series Which is excellent if you haven't heard it. He was able to cameo in knee hobbit Films as well, wasn't he? That was the last on-screen performance from him. It's part of the tragedy Is that that those films they had all of the material to be great, but they didn't uh, Didn't quite make it there packed already no arm and being prepared I thought you wanted to see the old sam do more than anything I did Yeah, the script was just really bad And it was really the last time that the actors were still young enough or alive enough to play these roles We did what gandalf wanted didn't we the ring will be safe and ribboned out I am ready to go home. I'm one probably ought to sweep those leaves It's um, it's character building for the It is character building in the tent, but They did metaphorical They just keep going back. Maybe they do it in the morning and they just sort of accumulate Here's my boy Oh, there he is There he is The time of the elves is over. My people are leaving these shores. It is in men The second best character in the whole trilogy. He's number one. Wait, gary. Who's your number one? Pay it in or mirrors up there though rags. Your number one is Can I put both of the brothers together? No, you have to pick one Um, I gotta go. It's hella porno. Uh-huh. The race of men is failing The blood of new monod is all but spent It's pride and dignity forgot drinkable. Yeah Well, the interest is not just seeing Boromir like everyone else. I think he's gonna I'm gonna say sam is that he is the mvp of this movie bring I'm kind of on the same page. It's a toss up for me between Boromir and sam Oh, I might go with sam. I was there the day the strength of men failed Cast it into the fire destroy it No And wolf, I'm sorry. Are we going to our favorite character or who we think is the best character because I got different Go favorite Aragorn, what's your answer for best Boromir? Wait a minute. Okay. Oh, yeah So Gandalf favorite they had him best my favorite and what I think is the best is still barbie There's no strength left in the world of men. That is one. Who could unite them? There's so much to say about all of them and the incredible work that's done to detail them all and all the actions They take are so important. If anyone said like, oh, my favorite character is mario pippin. I'd be like, yep, makes sense Sure Gimli of course I would say if someone said legolas, I'd be like, huh, okay Oh, a lot of a lot of women would say that I mean golem, you know You do want to who would pick golem this this this reason to pick him for sure Golem's like legitimately really good character, you know, I know a meth head who would like golem Hell, yeah No, no. Hey, hey right here golem is addiction like personified in a character. Absolutely. Why are you? i'm fendigand of the gray blade cut the ring And andy circus. I mean, yeah, it's it's Absolutely, yeah, have you ever seen an andy circus performance where you went? That wasn't very good.  You are a seal door there Not a seal door himself You are not bound is fate Is the somerillian audiobook out yet because I feel like that's the only way I'm actually gonna be able to get through the whole thing Uh, yeah, I think it is I don't think of that a shot because I've tried to read it and I just find it kind of boring to read I respect it as a piece, but you know, it's just not fun. It is more of a lore book It's a history book about fake things which is fine, but it's not very Some of the stuff is epic like absolutely epic, but it's it's uh, it's just it's told to you as opposed to shown to you Yeah, a lot of it, which is fine for what it is. It's just not something that I personally find very interesting to read You will face the same evil And you will defeat it I can't believe as well that this era was also around about the time we got the best licensed games for movies There was a lot of licensed games.  Yeah Lans friends of old you've been summoned here to answer the threat of mordor Yeah, they kind of start There's so much to read into as well in terms of whatever what's being told to you by everyone's expressions and the few lines Everyone gets to speak you will unite or you will fall each race is bound to this fate this one do This scene is incredibly expeditious in terms of building character because we've got a lot of new faces as well Yeah, and if it was like by the end we got a really good set hate each other Oh, yeah, a bunch of world building as well Soodious bane is found Oh poor borom here poor borom here way of the world on his shoulders Yeah, that's it. That's uh, l roby like he's not gonna touch it right again.  Let us use it against him Did you not catch the part where it's evil borom here evil one ring answers to sauron alone What would a ranger know of this matter? He is arago.  He was weird in the hobbit movies. Yeah Legolas is using a love triangle.  What a terrible decision. Yeah, all right a little terrible decision. Aragorn is right We cannot use it the ring must be destroyed They do like the there's a lot of characters who don't understand what's difficult about destroying it So they're just like well, yeah I Love how at the end of this scene He's like you have my axe and it's like your axe is currently in pieces. He's got several You always you have my other But that would have sounded awkward if he said my other axe So he just assumed that people understood he had more than one wolf exactly My spare axe in the games when you play as legolas and aragorn You have to have the quiver with all the arrows for your ranged weapon with gimley You have throwing axes and it's like how do you have 30 of those dude? Where are you holding the warms in his beard? Yeah, it is weird must be taken deep into mordor and cast back into the fiery chasm from whence it came One does not simply walk into mordor. Oh the birth of a classic meme. Yeah, the ring must be destroyed I'll suppose you think you're the one to do it I will be dead before I see the ring in the hands of an elf I mean we could be funny about it, but it's like that's the foundation for a really great Ark that behated legolas you know them too.    I guess I won't join If mr.  It's like this will be fun We're coming to These two just feel like yeah Always love that expression that expression.  And this is where the first disc ends which is interesting considering that you know, it's like how far are we? Oh like nearly two hours, but it doesn't feel like it doesn't it People like complain about the pacing of them sometimes, but I just I think they're fucking perfect No, I can't believe that people throw such a fit over how long the ending of return of the king is and it's like It's really not long at all The big key to it is look at the ending's length compared to the story, which is enormous I think it's like 20 minutes on the dot pretty much. She's fine Of a This trilogy is now the the length of your average series on Disney plus Or amazon and it does so much more with its time. Oh god.  Yeah The skill of the elves can reforge the sword of kings But only you have the power to wield it There are certain frames in this that have more content than all of us. Okay. I mean arguably Yeah, with a shot of them all together as a fellowship. I feel like that's already I do not wonder It's hard not to be funny about it, but it's a seriously sad moment. What happens you it is my old sword Yeah, take it take it It's funny that you say that a girl got scared by the lurch fight when this is like the one part of the movie Where I think it's legitimately okay to be freaked out. Yes. Yes. This is actually the job scale that I would have thought Scared me when I first saw this for sure. It does. It does really come out of nowhere As light as a feather and as hard as dragon scales.  Yeah, um, yeah, never free of it and they both recognizing what's happening here I'm sorry.  I'm sorry that You almost carried this burden and that's frodo's possible future.  But one of the aspects is his sadness knowing that frodo has to do that now Yeah, that's right. It's been it's been emphasized with like a few beats already.  Yeah The ring bearer is setting out on the quest of mountain dew no oath nor bond is laid to go further than you will See he's interesting because in the book he hasn't aged yet So he's still as he was when he left the shire and he's initially geared up and ready to go Like he wants to be the one to carry the ring to to more door and they have to like convince him not to It's like no you've passed it on now It's got it's got a new bearer and you can't handle this now I think that would have been a great scene as well, but uh, obviously I love what they did Never touch these I feel like that the world would fucking vomit if they remade these More luck and out. Is it left or right left? I really like frodo asking for directions. There's especially with our you know, our kind of protagonist characters Especially nowadays.  They're so Incredible and even this little scene here Looking at each other last time for the department again Like the lord of the rings is a good story to point to in terms of I guess, um Excellent execution of I guess more archetypal like storytelling elements Like a team brought together with all of their desperate skills growing over the course of the adventure learning to trust each other learning from each other It's like such a you know, normal kind of thing to see a story To get like slightly meta then it's like you wish these movies worked as a blueprint for everyone else to build off of Instead of just coming back to it all the time being like why can't they do it like this? Exactly.  No, I'm just humming. Oh, I got a kazoo Yeah, I'd like to get a kazoo. He must hold this course west of the misty mountains for 40 days Like holes the gaff of run will still be open to us. This is wolf trying to find a way to announce his kazoo He's trying to fit it in he's been waiting. He's like this is my chance Freaking clearly used a kazoo It sounded like a kazoo from my end, but I forgot your mic is also just Your mic is just like This is where in our first trilogy myself rags of wolf pointed out that mary and pipin received more training than rey There's a lot of great things to point out in this scene. Uh boromir is teaching them how to fight on the defensive He's teaching them how to block and to parry not how to attack So if they need to be in combat, he doesn't want them like fighting offensively. He wants them to defend themselves He's taking the position of the aggressor And I we could pass through the minds of moria my cousin balin give us a royal welcome You'd also argue that he's taking the position of interest in these two He um, he's connected to mary and pipin quite a bit. It's not arbitrary that he defends them at the end I would not take the road to moria unless I had no other choice Oh I love it.  Yeah So much about the hobbits. Yeah No, he's a good man. He really is he was just A very good man. He's got flaws. He's a hero.  We must take the pass of characters Yeah, that's an ominous, isn't it?  Oh, I I love how like soft the the one ring melody here is Look at that.  It looks like my uh the wedding ring for my first marriage Did you throw it into the fire? I probably should have actually kept it. It's on a chain and it acts like the one ring You can't touch it. It's Can't touch it. Can't let it go Give the ring to Frodo And look he comes through he gives it back. Uh, even if he molds a little bit off to it a little bit of molding.  I care a lot. No, it's fine. I don't care. Oh tussle the hair And yeah, what what we come away with this seat is everyone being more suspicious of him Look at that. Oh, he was he was prepared. He was ready to come down Oh, look at this. Look at this. Ah, there's so much to just praise all the time It's so detailed Yeah, I'm wondering like what this is. Is this like a like a practical miniature that they move and have a camera go towards And they can like open it up and separate it if you try to lead them over to us And if that fails, well, then will you go Part of this makes me wonder, you know the people who like gobble up stuff like a soca or whatever have you And they legitimately believe this strong storytelling in it It's like if you were to then make them watch something like Lord of the Rings Would they die of like an overload of quality? If the mountain defeats you Will you risk more dangerous road? It does actually make me wonder if they would even appreciate it Yeah, if they would recognize what they're seeing or would they just see it as being on the same level as a soca? Probably, yeah, they just be like, yeah, they're both really good.   Yeah, and it's called through the minds of moria I love this voice. You fear to go in there You fear to go into those minds The dwarves delve too greedily and too deep. Oh, man We're gonna see them uncover the balarok in rings of power season two. That's right. We got a teaser They got the balarok there at the bottom You know what they awoke in the darkness of krasadu Oh, look at him.  The balarok is so awesome I love how they they tease it by showing like a sketch of it.  And then it you see it and it's like even cooler like by a massive margin Yeah, they really did it justice because tokin describes it so beautifully as well that it's made of fire and shadow And it's just uh great monster. We will go through the minds So good. Yeah, and it's remembered forever and it's an example of the the era using cg where it's needed Where it was a tool Better than it was you wonder if it is like because I mean, of course There was an immense amount of visual effects here But even you know, it's not like every single shot had it compared to some stuff now We're like 100 of the shots have visual effects work Be careful now. You feel it's power growing, don't you? I've filled it too If it's like a matter of all of the effort is strained It's spread so thin that like it hampers everything. Maybe that's the reason why iron man looks pretty crap towards the end Evil will be drawn to you from outside the finish And I feel from within Well, how thin is it spread exactly? Is it spread like butter over too much bread? Yeah, yeah, I guess so.  What would you call it? Not like a dollop? What would you call it? On a spoon on a spoon. No on a on a knife. Did I say spoon? Yeah Which is fine if that's how you spread your It's not fine to spread butter that way rags. I don't believe you believe that Just We're all having a good time. We're watching He's a multicultural rags. He's like, yeah, you do you that's how they do it over there.  Isn't that crazy? Why isn't he perfect? There was a there was a year between the releases for these films, right?  Peddipin took and if that does not settle And I am allowed a little piece from foolish questions because I never had to live it But the gap between empire return of the Jedi three years It was brutal, especially when you were like 10, you know I Saw I saw Star Wars when I was seven and I was 10 when I saw Empire Man Now that would be formative. I say that as if I didn't watch them around about the same age as well Yeah, I would have watched them all at once. So, you know, yeah And we had to wait but I had to wait for Lord of the Rings. I joined you in the wait for that one speak friend And enter Dude imagine I like obsessing over that movie as much as I do now or for Lord of the Rings with no internet Dude, we would all okay if imagine these came out today It would never happen But if they did and we knew that we had to wait three years for two towers, we would all die. It would be insane That would be pretty tough. Yeah, it would be the end of empire. Yeah, that was it was like three years. What? Soon master of you will enjoy the feeble hospitality of the doors We read a lot of starlog magazine and banter tracks, which was the newsletter from the star wars fan club Yeah, I guess it's like um It's half and half because if we did have the situation we have now but back then it'd be you can share your pain of waiting with everyone else So I mean you don't understand the pain of uh waiting for season two of uh rings of power, you know to be fair We were just dreading it.   It's so creepy and dark dude the way he describes it before they hit the realization This is no mine It's a tomb This is wrong. Gimli's not paying attention. He's just like oh, we're gonna party here Wait a minute He sells it too.  It was just like whoa, this is weird. Well, that just happened We make for the gap of ruin And then on top of everything else a big water monsters trying to kill him crazy.   Fuck.  They do the build up is so great because we know what's happened here And then they do all the the sounds that set off all the people coming And then we find out that all of them scatter because something bigger is coming The thing that was talked about by saruman earlier.  They can't go back. They have to go forward. There is no rich free This is probably a model. Yeah, this is a model. Yeah Oh, it looks so good Brad there's ladies and gentlemen's what we call escapism captured perfectly. Yep. Oh, yeah The wolf of moria was not in gold or jewels But it's that little quality where when you're in the cinema and you're super into this you forget for a second You're a person that's come to watch a film. Robert's not here. So I'll use this word It's established a very similar to and since he's not here. I'll say you felt it for the first time in cinema We believed we believed I mean, it's almost like this thing it's strictly for nerd circles But you kind of that's kind of the point, right? You for a second you get it so into it that it is indistinguishable from real and then the credit to it Right, right. The world is real. You accept it as what it is rather than people on a set, you know Dressed up in fancy costumes and a shirt of mithril rings Thorin gave him Oh, that was a kingly gift.  What about a sword of mithril? Do they have that? I never told him But its worth was greater than the value of the sword I feel the need to mention this, but I don't know it's just neat you come across this in the third age and each of the doorways I think one of them leads to a chest one of them is the wrong way that the correct way is the correct way in the film Yes, that's right. Third age was fine.  And when you guys like no This is this is dude like no they made this shit up You shouldn't have to make up too much stuff if you're adapting lord of the rings world It's going he's been following us for three days and now the ring has drawn him down He will never be rid of his need for it. CJ looks good for being from 2000 I think you really see the difference between this and how he is in two towers.  That's jaw-jaw binks.  Super important line. Yeah, can you give it to them?  That was good That's in me too, mouthful Bagginses Which is uh Bagginses She precious Just you and me Like really good and then Yeah, bilbo and golem It's literally a really good scene I didn't say it I wasn't talking to you Give up Give us a chance precious give us a chance Bilbo and uh smaug as well. I really like that scene too Come step into the light The stupendous Do you think flattery will keep you alive? No, no Did you think I did not know this day would come?  It's like You thought you could escape me What are you going to do now? He's like a clown. It's like why wouldn't you like a clown? Yeah That'll do it you mcshane is precious. You should use him well I love how at the end of that scene it actually uses the shire theme when he's thinking of killing golem and then chooses not to It's just like oh, that's a weird moment where you hit me in the feels when these Bad movies. I'm almost wanting to like watch it again now. So I'm a hex. I remember the the vibes from Martin Freeman are perfect because it keeps balancing from like this murderous goblin person's going to eat me or Actually focusing on the riddles Let me think Let me think Those movies are so weird for me because I I happily watch them and enjoy them even though. I think they're bad films Same here Scenes in them. Yeah, there's like there's like a quality to it that doesn't feel entirely cynical Like so many other shitty movies because you can tell it just feels like they did a bad job What happened is like they got fucked by the studio They tried and then like people behind the scenes were like no We're not gonna allow you to make a good movie which is weird because I'd be like Jackson.  Yeah, yeah, yeah Different director. It wasn't working out. He left like Jackson comes in and it's like, okay I can make a good movie but I need a bit more time to do this. No, we've got a release date. You have to do it Oh No You know did oral was fired from that project which he is another like I could I could buy his Hobbit films being great as well. Water Brothers thing to do. Yeah, there lies Bali Water Brothers is knee-jerk and stupid and that had a lot to do with it Yeah, which as rag said and I totally agree if it were me I feel like you'd be pushing whatever we gave him for Lord the Rings Give him that again and more. Yes. Here is a check right every number you need at the end of the product We will pay it. Just do it again Just do it again. Use your magical powers and make it about the hobbit No, it's gonna save by the way Don't force him to make a third movie that he didn't want to make in the first place Yeah, if he wants to that high frame rate, where would you go? The scale of Moria as they was showing it then the camera pan around I remember distinctly when I first saw that as being like good god The dwarves would have had to have worked for so long. So many man hours to make something so incredible. I sure love digging They have taken the bridge And the second hole. Oh, yeah, this is nice and ominous as well.  I love how long this lasts for as well And the shots capture it so much.    That's a place where we were we were there and also makes you think Oh, it's a good thing.  It's so good. We've got it all And yeah, this is such it's dropped on him so quickly.  This is gonna be a tough one Dude and it's just looking at them and we don't see him until they busted the door.  Yes Then the music stops once the fight and like, you know kicks off.   Yeah Yeah, look at that.    This is a lot to work with this Hey, yep, then legolas is the badass character which Is Evolves here is great. Oh, I love it. Well thing is precision Yep, you know people always cite the cave troll is looking really outdated and I just I think so the thing about it is like he's low detail and res right compared to like now But I feel like they've integrated him about as well as they can Oh, he looks pretty good. He looks like he's in this environment. I am. Yeah, you buy him 100 percent. Yep. Absolutely Everyone treats him as super real like the way that he's hides from him. He looks great I really I like his creature design as well like it doesn't No, like it looks like a creature I could believe I could believe this guy lives underground Yeah, it's really blunt like you can see he's got this like big bony like plate of a forehead If you look at the special creatures they go into like how they made the 3d model and they like Paid attention to like how his fingernails are supposed to look because he's supposed to burrow and shit But I look at the CGI for this and I don't see I don't see it as very dated Unlike say the first Jurassic park where that brachiosaurus scene looks extremely dated now I don't have problem much even with the brachiosaurus comparatively in fact Jurassic park Like lord of the rings are the the select group of films that got to benefit from this era The wonderful marriage of CG and practical.  He's dead like after all this effort already a little face it makes to The fact that even if it didn't puncture the mythril it would have destroyed his fucking ribs Probably yeah, like it's uh liquefied some organs maybe the thing is it Looks like it went through the hole between his arm at his chest I guess it would have scraped by and that could have been the reason why he had that reaction It was pressed up against the like the right prong was actually against the wall Somewhat yeah, I think there's a way you can buy that that would have worked as in like with the things that we know To be true kind of a glancing blow Yeah That's seriously that's like one of the biggest core elements of all of Lord of the Rings I think is that we should work together I'm not hurt over and over they show them working together and watching out for each other Even when Gandalf was illuminating off the side of the cliff, which I think probably should be doing if you're trying to lay low Even is like as mary like starts to peer over the edge pip and like kind of holds his chest Like don't fall just like all the little things like that to show that they're watching out for each other Full of surprises mr.   Well, they run and then run again. Yeah, I just Oh And seriously, this would be an example of how do you write them out of this? And by god, do they do a job of writing them out of it?  Yeah Ah He's got the narrow slits of eyes.  Why do you guys think what's wrong with it? And it's just like the fact that you can't figure it out.    It's really subtle, but legless is expression there Just like fear in his eyes because like he would know what that is Yeah being an elf and all that.  He's always watching out for each other. Lead them on the bridge is near The fact that this whole scene is just written on the script and they ran across the bridge and it's better than most things Sort of no more use here What a lie to my sword.   Like there's no weight to any of that Yeah, this one's really simple. It's like it's a staircase.  Aragorn not Kim Lee sing Aragorn don't throw me and then of course It's so simple, right?   It don't look very good, but that's okay It's like it scores, you know mid while everything else scores top-notch.    It looks so good When I first saw it in 4k, I was kind of like it felt like watching it for the first time again In a lot of ways. Yeah I love that they used like a lightning strike sound effect when he cracks that whip. Yeah For a mirror he stops them protecting him.  Yeah I remember watching this as well. Like obviously I haven't read the books. I knew he wasn't dead But man, it's so well done. Like it matches the journey, right?  Well, that I mean it's It's his reaction there as well. That's just yeah Well, I didn't almost feel responsible for this because like he kind of brought this all down on them by accident Legolas get them up give them a moment for pity's sake And it's just yes, it's how much he meant to everybody. He has to snap legolas out of it It's all of his reactions. We must reach the woods of love, glory On your feet Sometimes I look at these shots and I'm just like, how is this a real place on this planet? It's too glorious I mean, that's what scouts are for right? They're supposed to find these locations. They used to have those in movies I don't know if they do anymore There's parts of uh, Arizona in the in the desert that look kind of like this and especially like Rohan Yeah, the Arizona desert looks like another planet. Yeah, it does kind of surreal I've uh talked about before but when you have like crazy weather events where everything goes red or crazy color things happen I'm just like are there directors out there now rushing out getting their shots Like we have that weird Storm thing in new york city where everything was orange. Oh, that was from the fires. Oh the fires Yeah, that was all the wired fires.   You walked out of the side of me It's terrible.  I remember hearing about it. It's uh, he doesn't he doesn't have his helmet on Well, no, there's that I'm pretty sure they got the wrong hair for him. I remember reading it somewhere Remember his hair is like um big ginger in there.  Nobody have you give up hope the enemy knows you have entered here Hey You carry a heavy burden Frodo Don't carry the weight of the dead Yeah, I don't know. I feel like with this trilogy especially there's so much the biggest moments of it A stuff that you guys I assume like me would never forget The heart of elvendom on earth But like rings of power is actually difficult along with a lot of other stuff that comes out In in our modern age you're named the three most iconic scenes from rings of power season one. I think that's all Just just a thought experiment When I say return of the king, what is the first like imagery that comes to mind for you guys Genuinely, it's it's like a flickering in my head between That and when aragorn leads everybody at the black gate. It's those two. Yeah, it's full of amazing scenes. It's full of amazing scenes The net of moria Needless were none of the deeds of gandalf in life I feel like all four and a half hours of that movie flashed within a couple seconds in my mind The lighting of the beacons love that oh that scene where the witch king of angmar lands on like the And then like the the sky beam lights off and then it like screams like I love that part the best sky beam in the history of center Towers I have a feeling everyone have a same answer maybe yeah, yeah, the helm's deep The one thing that like sticks with me more than anything else is sam's speech at the end of that movie Yeah, that's good. I don't I think for me. It's the visual of all of the ladders, you know raising above the uh That's moving shot of all of the ladders writing up onto the uh the wall Love Is now mangled with grief I don't think it counts as helms deep exactly, but I often think about the the shot of saraman basically March to helms deep that that part The quest stands upon the edge of a knife Stray but a little and it will fail I was thinking of that part where you know the the sweeping music comes in we see saraman at his tower like kind of like saying Oh, fuck.  I don't even think uh, it's for me. It's when theoden and aragorn write out Feldeeds awake Now for wrath now for ruin and the red dawn Like when all seems lost and he just gives that amazing speech like feldeeds awake now for wrath now for ruin Hell yeah, yet hope remains While the company is true or or when he's dressing up, you know, and you know the days have got down in the west The days have gone down in the west behind the hills Into shadow. Oh god that speech is particularly pointed this. Yes. Yeah, but rings of powers got no Well, well, you know Stop it But they don't mention his fireworks It should be a verse about them. I only remember the memes. No. Yeah only the memes like give me give it to me now Give it to me raw The finest rockets ever seen they burst in stars of blue and green holding like a Rain of flowers. Oh, that doesn't do them justice.  Yeah I remember right there boys heard her voice inside my head She spoke of my father on the floor of gondola So I had a friend who didn't watch the show past like the first couple episodes And I showed him that scene and he like fell on the floor laughing She said to me Even now there is hope left By the way, good ask the same question for fellowship, but I feel like it's difficult at this point Because we've just we've literally just watched it like well, it's just everything at this point Well, I mean, I think the council of valorand and there's definitely that come to my mind first I would see the glory of gondor restored White town of a cthulian Glimmering like a spike of pearl and silver Breaking of the fellowship that's breaking of the fellowship for me. Yeah that whole last scene is just like One of the best scenes in any movie I've seen ever dude.  Yeah with all of you. Yeah Carrying you from aragon and legolas over to bormie. Will you look into the mirror? What will I see even the wisest cannot tell a lot of my memories of this movie Like when I think about it is like whatever scene is attached to whatever my favorite songs from the soundtrack are That's another incredibly difficult question. What is your favorite? It's like why would I even bother asking that? Oh, it's the breaking of the fellowship and in dreams.  It's my favorite lord of the rings music. It's from this for the mirror Shows many things So there's probably not a wrong answer as far as i'm concerned There's no answer that I would be like, why would you choose that? But um, yeah for me Oh god, it's like all of it Is it the witch king's theme when it what it plays when he first like It's famafrotos see him in return of the king either way.  Yeah again. Love that music so good and they have extended soundtracks now They came out a few years ago. So it's complete and they're huge Uh, I got them on vinyl and on ed but they have like colored harness their packaged like look They're so cool hard to find now and some things That have not yet come to pass Easier to access now that they're on streaming services. Well, yes. Yes, you can I mean physical copies physical copies Which are getting ironically harder to find The allen wake two is one of the first games. They're just gonna never have a physical release of that caliber Just like seriously. Yep. No physical No physical the allen wake two there's only digital versions of it really? Mm-hmm. That's bizarre I hate it. I actively hate it.  I think it has a code for the game It has a it has a cd pack in it, but it doesn't have an actual cd in it This imagery incredibly important scouring of the shire, correct? At least a foreboding of the potential that we could either talk about now or later, but the choice to remove the scouring of the shire It was funny.  It's like the bombadill thing. It's like it's weird that we met god in the woods That's kind of weird. We should probably just not have that in the movie. He will try to take the ring You know of whom I speak like the thing is is like I think tom bombadill is just straight up a plot hole in the book because because Like he literally just puts on the ring and he's fine and nothing happens and like they're just like Yeah, he just like kind of doesn't care and it's like that.  He just doesn't fucking feel like it and it's like yeah He's really absent-minded and he would probably forget what he's doing halfway there and just like drop it or something In place of a dark lord, you would have a queen He's a higher being that might be a remnant of the song of creation or he was a lot like tree bird Tree bird, you know an old ancient being not dark but beautiful and terrible as it was And it shouldn't have been in the movie. Yeah I mean the end result speaks for itself This part stood out to me as a kid when I first watched it.  He's terrifying People can try to pick it apart and like I sat behind somebody when I was watching it the first time I sat behind somebody who hated it Frickin hated it. He's like that sucked. I'm like what? I passed the test. Oh the reason the guy hated it because of the changes they made to the book That's the thing, right? It's like when it's this good as an adaptation All of the smaller things are gonna niggle at you and be like I will diminish and go into the west and remain Galadriel I have a controversial take in thinking that there's things that this movie just straight up did better than the book to bear a ring of power Is to be alone and if you do not find a way No one will because I think some of the parts of the book Uh, yeah aged poorly granted. They were kind of like products of their time because books were written really differently then Yeah, I get like the standards then or amir was done better in the movie I think aragorn was done better in the movie. I think aragorn is straight up kind of boring in the book Oh my god, are we entering hot takes that I've never even heard before? Yeah, it's like the books are great, but like they're not perfect. All right. Everyone needs to relax Even the smallest person can change the course of the future I mean the same thing can be said for the films, but they may as well be Yeah, it's like, you know Bormir's death was handled better in the movie I think um the breaking of the fellowship was also handled better in the movie Like the emotion with froto and sam at that end is so much more palpable in the film than it was in the book Where it just kind of felt like oh sam was an idiot and is drowning now Do you know how the orcs first came into being? Frodo's way more abrasive in the book. It's way more master and servant relationship at first So a lot of the characters like ferramir and aragorn seem like more relatable in the movies than they do in the book They were elves once taken by the dark powers Like aragorn in the book just straight up. He's like, yeah, I'm king get over it.  Don't touch it. And then he just kind of leaves it outside with them And I just imagine like all of them poking it as soon as he goes through the door Now affected It looks like he snapped that rukai's neck there like he makes a twist in his head around I do like though the the white hand of saruman just as a a branding. It's good. You can make merch woman. Do you serve saruman? Do not stop until they are pumped. I just remember the first time that we did a efat movies on these You do not know pain. You do not know fear You will taste man fish. And he talked about bring them alive and unspoiled.  Oh my god Now we're thinking about it, sir.  Like he's like I wasn't thinking about that early when you said taste man flesh. What did you mean?   Do you think he'd be like, bitch? I have the best bow that I could get. Why do you think yours is going to be better than that? And for you samwise gamgee Elven rope the meme is basically when galadriel's talking about all the gift She's given them.  How many did you eat? Four. Now, do you know why these boats float? Oh Tell us I already thought me all about this because stones can't look up but boats can look down Boats are floaty because they look up at shiny sky. Do you think to rise above the height of all your fathers since the days of el endil So so imagine if aragorn gives that knife to rosy and she kills sauron at the end That would be better. Yeah, yeah, it'll be better. Blade of the assassin pregnant. Yeah Yeah, and she rides in on like a dragon that she made friends with point. Yeah None of the boys could beat the dragon But she convinces the dragon that he should do stuff or to fall into darkness With all that is left of your kin I think it would be important too if you could have aragorn slip on a banana peel during this scene somehow Yeah I know that rosy is his wife, but for some reason my mind like converted it to sam's daughter That was like, boy Oh my god, even better Aria having the knife Killing that was such a depressing night when I saw that episode. I watched it with wolf. It was horrible I had a whole like 16 hours to think about that episode before we watched it and just have it like sour more and more The death of game of thrones. I think my favorite reaction of yours was like what would quibern gets killed by the mount What We have lost our crushes his head.  Do you not know frankenstein's story frankenstein kills dr frankenstein I was like, wait, what no, but that's not even what what does that have to do with anything? Farewell Frodo beckons I give you the light at any that was one of the things we've talked about with a lot of modern stuff Is that how do you parody it? What do you do with it? Make something good? I mean, I think kind of yeah It's this scene that always like stuck with me It was the combination of the isengard theme and also just the slo-mo Rikai like running through the forest It was years between me seeing this movie for the first time and then like seeing the full trilogy In the extended editions for years. I always remembered that one scene something about it.  Well, this is kind of when everything starts to break apart like Gandalf's not there to keep them together So now they're like fraying at the edges. Yes. There is weakness There is frailty There is courage also and honor to be found in me. Yes Strike out for Mordor from a place of strength. There is no strength in gondola that can avail us Yeah, Barma is he's thinking about Yeah, he's thinking about you were quick enough to trust the elves You saw little faith in your own people All your life you have it in the shadows scared of who you are What you are no big important scene coming. Well, all of the big important scenes are coming I will not lead the ring with an hundred leagues of your city Yeah on us They put actors on canoes. What's the point? That's like a thing. It's so it's you think like well, of course they did Arguably the best part of the movie coming. Uh, maybe yeah, I know why you seek solitude You suffer. I see it day by day. There's a few that could be argued for for sure. No, I'm just saying I this scene is fantastic It's it might be I know what you would say and it would seem like wisdom But for the warning in my heart, there's literally not a second of this movie.  I love warning Against what? We're all afraid Look, I'm just humbly gathering some firewood.   I mean just That's one of those things where it's like, what's that? You don't need to know what it is for anything to make sense It's just like here's a cool thing. Why do you recoil? I am no thief. You are not yourself Yeah, like this whole area is littered with like decaying statues and ruins and stuff It's all part of like the kingdom of gondor. I guess that's just shrunk over the years Yeah, it's great. It just gives you a little bit of world building Listen just lend me it I'll totally give it back, bro This is the thing from his POV this seems like the most right decision He's just a little hobbit. What's he like a little hobbit ain't gonna destroy the ring after everything that's happened It doesn't make any sense to let it just be given to a hobbit.  You'll take the ring to sound out.  Oh man. This is barmy is low point. He's gonna come out of it Uh, this is the dude when you get the context of who this man is like back in gondor I mean arguably his best scene is I mean if not here it'll be in the the extended in two towers I like the him getting emotional over that. It's not just like what he did to Frodo It's that like he knows what happens when everyone else finds out about what he did Yeah, it's just a weakness has been completely exposed. Probably take that ring off now, huh? What's funny is this structure then here in the return of the king game No, the two towers game the level starts here And if you go up the stairs is a really good xp boost at the top of it.   I said you have my sword. I swore to protect you Can you protect me from yourself? Yeah, it's this point onward for the entire rest of the movie that I think about Whenever I think about this movie, would you destroy it?  Yep Like I find this scene so much more emotionally impactful than the battle of the palinor fields or the siege at uh helms deep I wouldn't say so much more I love those It's pretty amazing. Look at this though.  It's surrounded and then who comes in but not his two best buddies Oh god, I love the music for this battle. It's so amazing Frodo's 17th fall I should keep a fall counter when I edit this Gradual realization of what's going on here. Yeah, you know what we need is explicit dialogue from Frodo saying I'm not going with you I'm going to go somewhere. I'm going to take the ring to Mordor by myself That way we won't have trouble with people trying to take it off me Such lads. Oh, yeah This is where I mean barmy is here where there's like, they know they're leaving these guys to their deaths Barmy's sacrifice is built on another two different characters. It's choice to sacrifice.   Here he comes Barmy get in there buddy. Yes. No hesitation just charges right in. Yeah, I'm marrying Pippa to fighting as well.  I'm having a lot of trouble here The horn of gondor The horn uh this one. Yeah drawing your allies to you but drawing the enemies to him as well Oh, this shot is brilliant.  I like how like not smooth it looks too like It doesn't feel all efficient. Yeah. Yeah, and it works so well. You're right One of the big problems I had with the hobbit movies is that like they would do shots kind of like that But they were too smooth and it felt fake That crane shot and a lot of these other shots feel more visceral and handheld Like these aren't like super graphic movies, but they don't feel sanitized like the hobbit does Yeah, oh the choice of violence always feels very very specific Uh-oh. Yeah, sorry people listen to this. We're just gonna enjoy the scene for now Yeah, we're just gonna be watching the movie it just sort of happens Yeah, such a like the music just stops for a moment. Yeah, and that's I don't know. This is just like this sense of this is it but doesn't mean you don't need to stop I mean to go out like this one day. I'm going to force jay to watch these movies with me And if he doesn't like it, I'm gonna put him in a saw trap This so the uh, I'm done but then sees them it's like No, fuck.  That's all this comes across to me He's not gonna stop until he absolutely can't go on The third arrow Which to me is the correct amount. You don't want it to get extreme like a thousand arrows We also want it to be more than one or two. Yeah, it's just too many And yeah, I love what um pippin has to say about this to denitor as well. It's recognized Uh, and it all goes back to the scenes with aragorn and you know council of elrond, right? Where he's talking about man's ability to defend Middle-earth for you know on behalf of all the other races man's strength and courage like that's something that's present That's something to preserve that man could defend the world from darkness, right?  He has a gondor in middle-earth, but borrow me it to these two. It's absolutely tragic, but uh, Bloody brilliant Based on that arrow like a champ as well.  It is so wrong I mean, it's great because it doesn't have gone too long. It doesn't overstay as welcome here. It feels very real No, it's savage though, but the our theater like erupted in cheers when it's got beheaded The legendary deflection The sound of it as well.   He's a protector of people That's his whole role and that's where the insecurity stems from is not being able to fulfill that role Is that simultaneous like I would have loved to have seen what this story would have looked like if barmy had made it But also like it would have been very interesting because it would have been like very important Yeah But uh, there's something so important about him recognizing Aragorn's role as well Yeah, absolutely pitch perfect wouldn't change a thing This man who's been brought up under the shadow of a person who's desperate to prove that they like control You know like denithal's got a lot of insecurities that I think really help inform barmy's point of view Which is that they need to make sure they earn their right to be in essentially control of ministereth until you know The line of kings returns and so like they not only need to inspire they need to be strong Then you'd be courageous and you just show the rest of middle earth that they're the ones that can protect They're the ones that have been given this responsibility and that they can pull through with it And they do barmy being the one that we get told is is regularly like keeping oscilius Within the realm of men instead of allowing it to fold a mordor and then being sent to go and grab this weapon That's going to end it.    We have to get the ring. It's the most important thing ever and his um His interest is desperation to get that thing. It just represents the fact that he wants to save the world He wants to protect people and he knows he's gonna fail without it And then he has his moment with Frodo, which uh is his obviously low point which brings you right into his highest point Which is uh sacrificing himself to save two people and those three arrows that that way that he goes down It's like one of the most heroic deaths in all of media always stuck with me and uh, yeah The everything he says to Aragorn. I love that Aragorn takes the moment to inspire him and tell him like It's gonna be okay like right before he dies He tells him everything he wants to hear which is that man will be saved that Aragorn won't let them fail and the uh Boromia did his job is the there's nothing to be ashamed of he did everything right sort of thing.   No, I wish none of this had happened So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide I mostly have resentment toward him for wasting four and a half hours of my time He brought us as remiller. All you have to decide Is what to do with the time that is given to you. I feel bad.   He risked great infection for the sake of this movie's quality. Yes Infections are temporary good cinemas forever. Mm-hmm, and I'm coming with you. You can't swim Sam Sam oh Frodo, you don't understand the investment you've made here.  And I don't mean to They did not hang on that for very long, but super important detail The fellowship has failed But if we hold true to each other, I appreciate the fact that it doesn't treat us like we're stupid and oh god. Yeah, dude that We will not abandon marion pippen to torment and death That's another thing that's been taken for granted.  We owe it to them. I don't suppose we'll ever see them again. We may yet mr. Frodo We may always a voice of hope Dory has got it splits. You need a sam in your life Like I think everyone does oh everyone should have a sam You need someone who brings a little box of salt just in case you