So remember, the general idea of a loss from a natural loss for an income tax perspective would be if it was something to help you generate revenue, it would be a legitimate loss for income taxes, which you could see on a Schedule C, for example, where, which is basically an income statement with income and then expenses. These expenses are the most natural kind of thing that you would expect from an income tax system to be able to deduct because it's fair to tax people on the net income, not the gross income. But when you look at most people that have W-2 income, the thought process is that the employer is taking care of the expenses and therefore all the deductions that we usually look at, these Schedule A deductions are actually kind of incentives often time that aren't like natural deductions that you would expect in an income tax type of system. Now with gambling losses, you might say, hey, look, I'm trying to earn money through gambling, I should be able to deduct the expenses, which kind of makes sense, but it's not really something that the government wants to incentivize and it's not like an act that you're doing for profit generally over here. It's kind of more like a hobby or a specific area, so therefore you don't typically get the deduction over here, but you might be able to get the deduction on the Schedule A, which is of course much worse because you'd have to be clearing the itemized deductions before you can take that. Other times you might be dealing with people that just basically went to Vegas and they happened to win something and they got a W-2G or something like that. In that case, same kind of thing applies, you only get the losses up to the winnings and it's a Schedule A type of thing. So the situation would be, as we saw before, they would probably have a W-2G of income that's on Schedule One that we'd have to say, okay, now they had gambling winnings, W-2G, I'm just gonna say, okay, W-2G winnings, let's say 5,000 or whatever, they didn't withhold anything, let's say, and now we've got that included in income and the question is whether they're gonna say, yeah, but I spent a lot more than that much, maybe they might say, on gambling, maybe not 5,000, I don't know how much they spent on gambling, but depends on what you're doing. So I've watched the movie, Rounders, and that's nothing, man, the swings are huge on the poker table, but in any case, then if I go to the Schedule A, we can have the losses over here if I jump to, then won't let me jump to, let's go over here and just go, deductions for Schedule A, miscellaneous, itemized deductions, and there we have them, the gambling losses, so gambling losses, actually that's an override right here, it goes in the same area as the gains, so I can put them in here, the gambling losses. So there they are, all right, let's say I lost like 8,000, I spent 8,000 to win 5,000, well then if I pull that on over to the Schedule A, it's gonna cap it, gambling losses to the extent of the winnings, notice it writes it in here because there wasn't just a category for it, writes it in here, 5,000, but that 5,000 isn't enough to clear the 12,000 itemized deduction threshold, so if I go back on over, then it's not being pulled over here, obviously if the losses were less than the winnings, then it would take like 4,000, it would take the 4,000 up to cap at the number of the winnings, so if I go back down, there's the 4,000, so clearly the thing that would push people over to be able to itemize are the interest on the home, so if they own a home, then their gambling habit, maybe they can support their gambling habit more because they can take the deductions, so we're gonna say then we've got, let's say there was 12,000 here, and then the taxes, we've got real estate 3,000, and so then if they're already itemizing, then it's gonna become more relevant to pick up those gambling losses, if they had gambling winnings, they can pull into the first page of the 1040, and so the general idea is if you're dealing with someone that gambles a lot, then you might want to tell them that yeah, you should be tracking your losses, especially if you're itemizing so that you can take the losses, and if you gamble a whole lot, then maybe the losses will be sufficient enough to kinda push you over to itemizing, but usually they're not because they would have to clear the 12,950 or the 25,009, so if they don't own a home, they might not be able to do that if there's someone that doesn't gamble a lot, but they're just going to Vegas and they're gonna go gamble, and maybe you wanna say, well, might be worth holding onto your losses, receipts of your losses or something like that, in the event that you happen to get just one windfall win for whatever reason, so that you might have the information to support the losses, because remember that if you get audited for the deduction of the losses, they're gonna wanna know the evidence of the losses, so then the question is, is it worthwhile for you to track the evidence of the losses if you're going to Vegas or something, or if you're doing some kind of gambling where you might be able to deduct the losses, if you happen to actually win something, and it kinda depends on how much you might win and whether or not you'll be able to deduct the losses and whether or not you are itemizing. If I put that over here on our worksheet over here, by the way, we had gambling winnings before, I thought, did we have gambling winnings before? On other income, maybe not. So let's just add schedule one gambling winnings. Is that how you spell gambling? I'm gonna gamble that that is correct. It is correct. I win, I didn't put any money down, dang it. I'm not that good at gambling anymore. Anyway, so let's say, what did I say it was? We won 5,000, and then we'll say that this is boom. And let's put some borders around this. Gambling winnings, that would pull over to the 1040, and then the losses would be part of the itemized deductions. So if I went into the schedule A in our worksheet and we said, let's say we had gambling, casualty, other items, let's just add it here. I'm gonna add some space. Give me some room, man. Crowded me, you're crowding me over here. All right, so we're gonna say this is gonna be gambling losses. And then let's say that was 4,000, we said. 4,000 total other itemized deductions. Summing that up on this side, boom, shaka laka. And then is the spelling okay? Medical, medical, change it, change it. Okay, I wasn't even checking that part, but whatever. So that only adds up to 4,000 right now, so it doesn't pull over. So now it's not over. So we would be taking the lesser of still the standard. But if I had my other ones here, the mortgage interest, which I said was 12,000, real estate taxes, which I think I said, what, 3,000? And then the state taxes are gonna be calculated. I'll let the software do that for me. 1,017, 1,017, that brings us up to the 20,017, scrolling down 20,017, pulling over to the page one of the 1040, 100,000 minus the, or plus the income 105, minus the 20,017 gives us the 84, 983. So let's see if that matches up. 105 minus the greater of 12,950 or 20,017, gives us the 84, 983. So there it is. So there's just an example. I won't get into the second half of the tax calculation at this point because we're really kind of focusing in on that first half of the formula. We'll get into that second half in future sections, which will be great.


Yes, hi guys welcome back to this channel and in today's video I just want to talk about what called the free Lancer Visa agents, the agents and the free Lancer Visa. What should you know definitely? How do you want to trust? When is the right time for you to trust that agent? And when is what are you supposed to get from that agent? To either prove this agent win agent or is not a genuine agent? Yes, in this video, I'm going to give you exactly a full detail of how you can find out whether this is a genuine agent or not a genuine agent. In that case, by the way, if it's the first time to come across this channel, by the way, don't forget to support and don't forget to press that subscribe button because it will be the only way that I'll be motivated to make more content for you and to look for more height or share with you more of this. Yes, let us look at recruitment agencies, let us look at freelancer agents, the freelancer visas in Qatar is becoming a problem, especially under what you call Qatar work visa sponsorship jobs. Yes, most of you have hoped to come for what you call freelancers visas. Yes, you don't want to be under company because you don't want to be under company accommodation. You need to be to have what you call your own life of style away from the company shielding or company instructions. But this has created more cries for everyone every day. Why? Because you've trusted or you've worked with agents and they've been ended up being disappointed. You are disappointed in the such a way that you've got visas here, you've agreed, you paid a given amount of money with that agent. That agent, you come into the country, you are getting disappointed. This agent does not have work for you.  You will have this salary, you will have this job, but you come into the country, this agent does not have any job for you. Getting a QID for this agent from this agent becomes another problem. On top of what you pay to the agent, the agent comes inside, you come into the country. He asks for additional amount of money. You are not working. You have not started work. Where are you going to start working without a QID? Which company or which person would really want to risk his business to hire you or to hire you without what you call a QID? Unless you are going to be hidden in what you call houses. No company will agree. The first thing they will first need to check out what is the status or the residence status for you. Are you allowed to stay in the country? The only way or the only thing that says that you are allowed to stay in the country is having what you call a QID. These agents have run away. Some of them do not have offices. You just meet on the way, you meet in the malls. All your meetings are in the mall. He rented a very big house for you to stay.  He gives you documents, he run away. You don't even know his office. We need just to get over this. The agents, please stop the people from crying. The agents, freelancer agents in Qatar stop the people from crying. Do a very good connection. What I advise you. You've heard what you call double standards. What you call the double standards. Someone pays you money. He comes into the country. You have to double make the person pay more money. Is not working. What is the problem, the agents here in Qatar. The freelancer agents in Qatar. You are dealing with people with the companies that don't have offices. Are you scripting people, which is not right. Yes, let me go to the person who is looking for freelancer visa right now. You should be very careful. If you are dealing with an agent or if you are dealing with that person that is promising you visa. You paid the money. Ask for the visa, ask for what you call the QID of that person. If he is a genuine agent. Ask for his QID, if he is in Qatar. If he is in Dubai, wherever he may be. I know this is not going to sound a little bit good to some of them. You will have to come to fight back. But let us try to have that one. That you need the money. You need hope, but hope with your wholesome. Ask the visa. One of the documents you should ask from that agent who is promising you to give the visa. If you are in Qatar, ask for his copy of QID. Ask, check the photo of that person. Ask for a copy of the QID and ask a copy of his passport including his mobile number. He will send the visa for you. In that case, even if he runs away. Even if he runs away, you have a photocopy of his QID and you have a photocopy of his passport. When you go to the embassy of Uganda to report, this person will be very easy to track. When you go to the police or when you go to police in Qatar with a copy of the QID, this person is going to be easy to track. And you definitely find out to this person where he is hiding. Or if he took out the manuscript out of you, that's the best way or the best part of it all that you will have to track this person. Yes, make sure that QID is valid for that person. Let that person not give you an expired QID. Let the agent give you what you call a QID that is valid for more than 6 months. That is a requirement for all documentation. Even if it's passport, even if it's QID, it should be valid for more than 6 months before you start paying in the money for you. Hope I've tried to share something for you. Most people that come here on what you call a freelancer visa or apply for a freelancer visa and you are outside or you are outside Qatar in that case. Look for the office of that agent. Yes, he can give you the office number. Normally what happens here in Qatar, we have what you call blueprints, what you call blueprints. Blueprints are on the building. They will give you the zone number, they will give you the building number. They will give you what you call the street number where that office is. You can take the blueprint and let him also send you what you call the blueprint. If you want to find out his office, let him send you the blueprint of that building where his office is. Those ones are some of the documents that you can easily track the agent who took the money away from you. Even if you have to make or to pay a complaint against this agent. That will be the best way for you. If you want to look for the address of that company that bears its sponsorship in your visa. That is the best way or that is where you can definitely go and track it out. That is where you are going to start the tracking itself from that level. Hope I have tried to share something for you. For those people that are in Qatar here and looking for what you call the freelancer visa or you are looking for freelancer visa and you are applying for the visa outside from Qatar. That is the best option, the best solution that I will give you right now. Hope I have tried to share something for you and hope my advice will be very beneficial to you. By the way, if you so first time come across this channel, don't forget to subscribe and don't forget to hit that subscribe button.


Gracious God, Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus, I pray that you would abundantly bless Brother Donald this evening as he exercises a prophet's voice and declares unto us your truth as he challenges us. Oh, Heavenly Father, would you calm any anxieties that may be in his breast? Would you strengthen him? Would you bless him? Would you take a coal from off the altar and place it upon his tongue and equip him? Enable him to be a vessel for your glory tonight. Bless every heart that's worshiping that we truly might worship you in spirit and in truth in Jesus name I pray, amen. And welcome to all. It is wonderful to be able to address so many people on a platform like this. And I consider it a great joy, a great pleasure to represent the kingdom of God on earth and speak to those who represent the kingdom of God on earth. It is a great work that God is doing. And you know, we're living in a day when there is so much bad press out there. And I'm glad this evening that I can bring some good news to the world. And that is that the kingdom of God on earth is flourishing and doing well. It is growing and it's prospering. God's people are alive and well and God's kingdom is advancing. The topic this evening is a church of God awake arise. And I guess if you take that very literally we could assume that the church of God is asleep and sitting down. I don't think that was the intention of the planning committee, but rather to boy us or to encourage us as a church of God to rise up and take our place in the world, in society about us and to become the kingdom on earth, kingdom of God on earth that he has called us to be. I appreciated some of the scriptures that have already been read to us about the kingdom of God. We have some wonderful promises about the kingdom of God that it is a kingdom that is going to grow and going to advance. I believe that Brother Kurt read this promise to us on Friday evening. This is the account of Nebuchadnezzar image and the little stone that was ewn out of the mountain without hands. And it said that this stone smelt the image in its feet and the little stone grew and grew and grew until it became a huge mountain and filled the entire earth. And that's one promise that we have that the kingdom of God is going to supersede the kingdoms of this world and the kingdom of God is going to continue to grow and prosper and it's going to continue to be a force for good in this world. Another verse that I love is the promise of Jesus' birth in Isaiah chapter nine, where we read that unto us a child is born and then we read that of the increase of his government in peace, there shall be no end upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom to order it to establish it with judgment and with justice. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. That's a promise that we have that the kingdom of God is going to continue to grow and continue to increase. And while we may not know exactly how that's all going to take place, we can rejoice tonight to be a part of a kingdom that will not be destroyed and a kingdom that will last forever. The words of Jesus to Simon Peter in Matthew chapter 16, in this setting, Jesus was asking his disciples, who do men say that I am? And Peter, impulsive Peter quickly answered, thou art the Christ, the son of the living God. And Jesus said to Peter, Simon, Bargiona, flesh and blood has not revealed this unto you, but my father, which is in heaven. And then Jesus said both these words to Peter. He said, thou art Peter, you're just Peter, but I am going to build my church. Upon this rock, I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And what I take out of that verse is that Jesus is saying, I will build my church. It's God's work. He is the one who does the work. He is the one who makes it grow and prosper. Yes, he uses people in the building up of his kingdom, but all of our efforts would be vain if Jesus Christ was not the head of the church, the Lord of the church and building the church. If you have the worksheet or the handout there in front of you, you'll notice that we want to begin this evening by talking about our identity, because I believe that identity is an important factor in our effectiveness in the world. If we don't know who we are, and we are moving into society, we are giving an uncertain stand and we're not going to have, be very effective in moving society toward Christ. So we need to know who we are. I have enjoyed doing a word study on the little phrase in Christ or in him. If you do a word study of that, you'll find that it is a very, it's found over 140 times in the New Testament. It's a very prominent thought, being in Christ or in him. We need to know who we are in Christ. And if we know who we are in Christ, then we place ourselves in a position where we can lead others to Christ, where we can represent Christ to a lost world. Several verses about being in Christ, therefore being justified, being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. That first tells us that our redemption is in Christ Jesus. Romans 8-1, there's therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus. That's talking about our position. If we are in Christ Jesus, then we are free from condemnation and we need not walk after the flesh, but we can walk after the Spirit. Another favorite verse of mine about being in Christ is Colossians 2-10, where it says, you are complete in him, who is the head of all principality and power. That means that in Jesus Christ, we have all of the resources, everything at our disposal to accomplish the work that God has called us to do. So we need to know who we are in Christ. If we want to be effective in communicating the gospel to the world. In Matthew 28, we have what we typically know as the Great Commission. And there Jesus said to his disciples, this was just shortly before he was taken up to glory. He said that, all power is given to me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all things, whatever I have commanded you. I know I'm with you always, even unto the end of the world. I love that promise. Jesus said, I have all power. I have overcome the world.  All power is given unto me in heaven and on earth. Therefore you go, teach, preach and make disciples of all nations. Just like he's saying, here's my debit card. There's endless resources at your disposal. Go, preach, teach and make disciples of all nations. That's the commission that's been given to the church and we have no excuse for not doing it because he has promised us all power in the fulfilling of that Great Commission. If we want to be effective in sharing Christ with the world, we not only need to know who we are in Christ, we need to know who we are in the body of Christ. And I believe this has been stated every evening this weekend that the kingdom of God is made up of real people who meet together and worship together in real church fellowships. It's not some theoretical idea that we're a part of this universal church that is somehow, no, it's made up of real people. And if we want to be effective in communicating the gospel, then we need to be connected to the body of Christ in real tangible ways. And that means that we're going to be relating to others who are in Christ and we're going to be worshiping together. And the Bible makes this connection very, very keen.  If you don't love your brother, whom you have seen, how can you love God whom you have not seen? So we're called to be representing Christ's body on earth. And that's a real tangible body made up of real people who learn to live together, learn to forgive, learn to love one another, learn to accept one another and learn to worship God together. Now we have a phrase that we sometimes quote. And I wasn't sure whether or not to drop it this evening or not, but I think I will, simply because if nothing else, it will generate some discussion afterwards. And it goes something like this. You will not ever truly know us until you have lived among us and have been hurt by us and have found healing for that hurt. Now that might sound not very encouraging. However, I think if we're honest, we will have to admit that that's true in human relationships that offenses do happen. Jesus said, don't be surprised if offenses happen, it can't help but be that offenses will come to pass. But you know, there's something about being in a relationship with someone where you have experienced this, where you have experienced offense and reconciliation and redemption that that relationship is now strong enough and secure enough that you don't need to worry or you don't need to fear that this relationship is gonna fall apart. Okay, we've already been through the hard things in this relationship. And we have discovered that we can forgive and we can be reconciled and we can move forward. And this is the life that happens in the body of Christ. This is what redemption is all about. If you stop and think about it, that's actually why we can be so secure in our relationship with God through Christ because we have offended the holiness of God. We have been redeemed, we have been forgiven, we have been reconciled to God. Now we can rest in that relationship knowing that as Paul said, nothing, nothing can separate us from the love of God. There is nothing that can come between us. And in the body of Christ, within the body of Christ, we can have those same kinds of relationships, relationships that are enduring, relationships that are going to go the distance. You need to know who you are, in relationship, in relation to the world about you. But by this we're talking about, we could call this your worldview. How do you look at yourself in relation to the world about you? In Luke chapter 10, Jesus told the story of the Good Samaritan. He was traveling between Jerusalem and Jericho and he came upon this man who had been beaten, robbed and left by the wayside, bleeding, left to die. And we read that as he came upon this man, it says that he had compassion on him. And he went to him and bound his wounds, pouring in oil and wine and set up on his own beast and brought him to an end and took care of him. Now, when you were talking about our worldview, we noticed that this man had compassion on the man who he found lying by the roadside. And that simply means that he was able to empathize with him. He was able to feel for him. He felt the pain that that man was experiencing lying there by the roadside. He felt the pain of his wounds. He felt it very, very keenly. And I believe that one of the reasons that this man who was a Samaritan, and last night we heard about racism and cross-cultural relationships, here we have a case of cross-cultural relationships where we have a man who was a Samaritan and he comes upon this Jew lying by the roadside and he could have just chosen to pass by, but it says he had compassion on him. And that's because he felt everything that that man by the roadside was experiencing. He felt that very keenly. And I believe there's a reason for that. He was a Samaritan. He understood the pain of rejection. He maybe had never been beaten with clubs, but he certainly was beaten with words and he experienced the insult. He knew the pain of the insult of being rejected. He knew the pain of being ostracized. He was a Samaritan. And so he was able to relate to the man who was lying in the ditch by the wayside. He was moved with compassion. And what I would like to draw from this is that as we interact with the world about us, may we never become so far removed from what we have been redeemed from, from the sin that we've been redeemed from, that we cannot have compassion on those who are bound in sin or those who are struggling against sin. May we always be the kind of people who are compassionate people and are able to connect with and relate to. Oh yes, I see you struggling in that area of your life. I understand because I've struggled against sin and I know how powerful it can be, but I also know that there is redemption for it. And let me tell you how I found freedom in that area of my life. The church's most powerful weapon is love. Jesus said, by this shall all men know that you're my disciples if you have loved one for another. The world will say to us, we don't care how much you know until we know how much you care. Love is a universal language. It transcends language. It transcends cultural barriers. People cannot resist love. Everyone wants it. Everyone yearns for it. And as children of God, as children of the Prince of Peace, and we should be the most loving, caring, compassionate people on the face of the earth. And this evening I want to encourage us to exercise that when we have opportunity to be loving people. Paul wrote, though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels that have not charity, I have become a sounding brass or a tinkling symbol. I know I have the gift of prophecy and understand all mysteries and all knowledge and that I have all faith so that I could remove mountains. And have not charity, I am nothing. And though I'd be still all my goods to feed the poor and though I'd give my body to be burned and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. So we can do all kinds of good deeds and service but if it's not motivated by a genuine concern and care for people, then it is in Paul's words, nothing. This evening I would like to talk about the church and our interaction with society. I would like to think of us, talk about the church in three different ways. First of all, I would like to talk about the church as a presence in society. And then I would like to speak of the church as a voice in society. And then I would like to speak of the church as a person or a body in society. First of all, the church as a presence. And this is something that we as anti-Baptist people do well in that we are not afraid of being in the world but not of the world. That is very much a part of our theology and of our history. We are used to being different from the world and being viewed as someone different from the world. But we're living any day and I would like to talk about that in a good sense, first of all, in that I believe that the church's presence in the world is very, very powerful. I believe that the body of Christ in society today, it has a subtle, silent effect, not counting our message, just simply our presence in the world. And we want to talk about that. We're living today when there are, there is a huge thrust towards secularization and the church is being marginalized and set aside. And if we would allow ourselves to be driven and governed by fear, we could feel like that the church is no longer a effective presence in society that because we have the secular media who is really a minority and yet they have the mics and the cameras and they are presenting themselves as representing society as a whole. And I believe that's a big deception because I believe that the church is still healthy and well in our society today. And the church is in fact making a difference in the world. The fact that academia rages against the truth in the name of tolerance and relativism is proof positive that the influence of the church is yet alive and well. If the church is the archaic and obsolete religion that they make her out to be, all they would need to do is ignore her and she would lie down in the dustbin of history. But the fact is that the church is a relevant force in our society today. The church is making a difference. And we would like to talk a little bit about that but first of all, talking about our Anarchist heritage and how we have come to be the quiet in the land and perhaps too content with being the quiet in the land. If you take a look at our history, the Anarchist movement was a very evangelistic movement in the early days of Anabaptism in Europe. It really swept across Europe like wildfire and many, many people embraced Anabaptism. However, later 150 years after the beginnings of the radical reformation, things began to change. The persecution of Anabaptism in Europe was not as intense and there was also the situation of the 30 year war in Europe which devastated much of Europe and left many valleys and farms and villages pretty much depopulated. And the situation that we have in the late 16, early 1700s is that there were still a lot of our Anabaptist people living in Switzerland. But Switzerland wanted to extradite all of the Anabaptists and wanted them to just get out of here. This is a Protestant land. We don't want Anabaptists here. And so they began expelling them from Switzerland. And as they traveled down the Rhine with no home, no place to go, Germany was open to them coming and dwelling and occupying these empty villages and farms. And so the Anabaptist people, what were they to do? They had no place to go. They had no home. And so they moved into Palatinate of Germany and began to settle on these farms and villages in Germany that had been decimated by the 30 years war. However, the rulers of Germany told them, you can live here and you can farm here, which they were very excited about, but you may not proselytize. This is Lutheran Germany. You may not proselytize. And so our people, unfortunately, our last lack of a choice settled down to the quiet lifestyle of farming. And eventually they immigrated to America and again settled down to the quiet lifestyle of farming and became the quiet in the land. And that is our heritage. And that's why we as Anabaptists, people tend to be most comfortable just being, just being the witness, being the silent witness and being the quiet in the land. And that has been a strength, but I believe that we need to also be motivated to be more proactive in society. Jesus made these observations in Matthew chapter five. He said, you are the salt of the earth and you are the light of the world. He didn't say go out and be the salt of the earth. He didn't say go out and be the light of the world. He said, you are your presence in society salts the earth, salts the world and you are the light of the world. Your presence there hasn't that impact that you do make a difference in society just by living the Christ's life and being there. A silent witness is a witness. Light dispels darkness. You cannot dispel light with darkness, but you can dispel darkness with light. Light is more powerful than darkness. When light enters a room, the darkness must flee. And so it is in society today. Light dispels darkness and the presence of the kingdom of God on earth dispels the darkness about us. The subtle influence of the church. The church has many subtle influences and one of them is prayer. And we cannot underestimate the value and the power of the church as a prayer force in society. And today, as we listen to the news and we face another election, I want to call us as God's children to be further in prayer because prayer does change things and you can change the world through prayer. It does prayer does make a difference and we're exhorted to pray. Paul said, I exhort therefore first of all, that prayers, supplications, intercessions, giving of thanks be made for all men, for kings and for all other in authority that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. So we're exhorted and we're commanded to pray. And I believe that we need to be a praying people. The church provides moral integrity for society. As the world tries to get rid of the 10 commandments and get rid of any kind of moral absolutes, the church still exists and the church maybe is the only moral anchor for our society today. And as a church, we provide a moral anchor for society and we have that influence on society. The church also provides a tremendous stability in society. We've heard a lot about the shaking. Paul talked about, or the Hebrew writer talked about whose voice then shook the earth, but now he's promising, yet once more, I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. This word yet once more signify the removing of those things that are shaken as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. And those things that cannot be shaken is that which the church has to offer to the world. Security in the midst of an insecure world. And we're moving into a day when there are many, many people who are looking for something secure to build a life around. And I want to encourage us as a church to be proactive and to be reaching out to others and giving them something solid in the midst of a world that is being rocked with all kinds of insecurity. I'd like to move on talking to about the church as a voice. We talked about the church as a presence. I would like to talk to us about the church as a voice. You remember when John the Baptist came preaching, he was referred to, he was introducing the kingdom of God and he came as, the Bible says, the voice of one crying in the wilderness. He was a voice and the church is a voice, must be a voice, has a voice, and we need to use our voice. The church has a message. We have a message for the world and the message that we have for the world is a message of hope. And it's a message that the world is yearning to hear. A message of hope, as opposed to a message of condemnation. Even in a set of Jesus, for God's sake, not as sending to the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved. And as a church, we have a message of hope to give to a world that is sinking in despair. And we need to be sharing that message wherever we go. That Jesus Christ has come into the world to save sinners and that he can redeem your situation, however lost it may appear to be. The word preached. I believe that we do a good job of sharing the word in our churches on Sunday mornings. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Faith is born by hearing the word of God, preached or shared. And we need to be sharing the word of God wherever we go. The word of God builds faith in the hearts of men and women who have no faith. If they hear the word of God, that plants a seed in their heart that can grow and develop into a living faith. I appreciated brother Melvin's comments on Friday evening about revival and how his revival sustained. And he commented that revival cannot be sustained merely by periodic revivals. And so that raises the question then how is revival sustained and is it possible to sustain revival? I believe that it is possible to sustain revival. I believe that revival is sustained by faithful consistent preaching of the word. The word is living, it is quick and powerful. It is living and it has the ability to impart life to others. And I believe that a faithful consistent preaching of the word is the secret to sustained revival. I believe that all revival is also sustained by the word of their testimony. Your testimony is very, very powerful. And your testimony is something that people cannot, they cannot rebut it. I mean, if you say this is what God did for me, I was bound in sin. I was carrying a load of guilt and condemnation. The Lord Jesus delivered me from that. He forgave my sins, gave me peace, gave me freedom. His Holy Spirit dwells within me. As you share that testimony, people cannot refute that because that's your experience. And that's a very, very powerful thing. And I believe that revival can be sustained by sharing our testimony. I believe that as young people in our churches hear the older people talking about what God has done and is doing in your life today, it brings life and encouragement to them. And I believe that revival can be sustained across generations. I wanna talk a little bit about, we're talking about the church as a voice. I wanna talk a little bit about mass evangelism, something that we as Anabaptist people we're not all that big on, at least we don't do, at least until this weekend, radio broadcast or television broadcast. We're not really, we don't have a history of doing that kind of thing in a broad way to the masses. However, I am encouraged by what I see with KM's Billboard evangelism. I believe that is probably the most public voice of the Anabaptist people in America today. A couple of weeks ago, we traveled from Blue Mountain to Philadelphia on the Pennsylvania Turnpike. And I think we passed at least eight KM billboards on that 120 mile stretch of highway. And I was just so blessed. I mean, it's almost like traveling on the highway of holiness. All of these billboards, all these Christian billboards out there is actually the most prominent billboard on the highway. And I just wanna bless all of you who are involved in that ministry. It is a great ministry. And I believe it is the most public voice of the Anabaptist people in America today. And I wanna say it is making a difference. It is making a difference. People do not ignore those billboards. They might get angry. They might try to ignore them, but they don't ignore them. They cannot ignore them.  It will not return void. It will accomplish that where to it is sent. So I want to bless all those who are involved in that ministry. From mass evangelism to personal discipleship. I want to talk a little bit about compassionate pastoral counseling. And I was, I thought about this last evening as we were listening to brother Finney talk about racism and the various perspectives on racism. And that was very interesting because I know which perspective I have. I mean, when I see people running down the street stealing from a store, I immediately say they have a problem. They are the problem. This is an individual problem. They need to change their ways. So I immediately identified my perspective there. But carrying this over into pastoral counseling, I realized that we have the same two perspectives in the area of pastoral counseling, whether you're a pastoral late counselor or whatever, or just simply a brother trying to help another brother, there is this same two perspectives. The one perspective is, oh, it's an individual choice. Every person is responsible for their actions. If you're struggling against sin, you just simply need to repent of your sin and change your way of living. And that will solve the problem. And then there's this other way of looking at it that maybe there are deeper issues at work in your life. Maybe there are things in your life that I do not fully understand that this is such a huge struggle for you that you're not overcoming as you would like to. Maybe there's something from your past that is influencing you today. And so we take the broader perspective in the area of pastoral counseling. And I believe that as a church, we are called to do this. And I thank you brother Finney for giving us that perspective because I believe that that also comes into play in doing pastoral counseling. I would like to share a few comments about crossing cultural barriers. In John chapter four, we have the story of Jesus and the woman at the well. She was a Samaritan woman and Jesus went up to her and he said four words. He said, may I have a drink or give me to drink? And this woman was aghast that he would ask drink of her. And in doing that, Jesus crossed several cultural barriers. He crossed a political barrier. He was a Jew, she was a Samaritan. He crossed a gender barrier. He was a man, she was a woman. He crossed a religious barrier. Again, he was a Jew and she was a Samaritan and they had two different religions. But notice the ease with which Jesus did that. It wasn't as though, he had to prepare some huge defense in doing what he did. He just simply said, may I have a drink of water? I guess the point that I would like to draw from this is that what we call cultural barriers. I wonder if cultural barriers aren't as much a creation of our own as a reality. Really the needs of humanity are pretty much universally the same. Brother Finney talked about the racial differences are 0.1%, so that means that we are 98.99% alike. That's really not very much difference. And I think culturally is very, very much the same way. Last year, our daughter, I had the privilege of visiting a Muslim mosque with a group of her friends. And when they were there, they met with a group of Muslim girls and they spent a couple of hours together with them visiting with a group of Muslim girls. And it was very interesting what these Muslim girls said to them. They said, thank you so much for coming. They said, we see you on the streets in town. And they said, we really wanted to come up and talk to you, but they said, we weren't sure if that would be acceptable in your culture. Now, who has the cultural barrier here? Who is creating the cultural barrier? You realize there really was no barrier between these girls. They had several hours of wonderful fellowship just visiting together and exchanging views and talking about the various religions to each other. And so this, what we call cultural barriers was actually just a figment of the imagination. It really wasn't a barrier at all. Now, I believe, I do admit that when we're going into other countries, there are things that we need to be aware of because we don't want to be foolish and offend people unnecessarily. However, I don't believe that it is nearly as large of a concern as what we may think it is. As a matter of fact, we have a family that came among us and they were not from an abaptist background. And their testimony was this. They said that we wanted so much to connect with you people. They said, we would see you in town. As a matter of fact, they said we would get right behind you in a checkout line hoping that you would talk to us. But he said, you always ignored us. You never reached out to us and talked to us. They said, we wanted so bad to talk with you. They finally broke through the cultural barrier that we and abaptist people had created and connected with us and became a part of us. But this thing of cultural barriers, I believe, is something that maybe we North American and abaptist people are the ones who are creating the cultural barrier as much as anyone. And I just want you wanting to encourage us. The church has a voice. The world is looking for answers. You have a message to share. You have something to share with the world. And I want to encourage you to open your mouth and to share with others the message that you have to share with others, the hope that we have in Christ. Lastly, I want to talk about the church as a person. There was once a little girl who was lying in bed, trying to be very, very brave in the midst of a thunderstorm. The lightning was flashing and the thunder was cracking as she was trying to be very, very brave. But when suddenly a very close blast of thunder brought her out of bed and she raced over to her parents' bedroom, leaped into their bed and crawled down under the covers between mom and dad. And dad reached out to her and tried to comfort her. And she said, sweetie, you don't have to be afraid. God is taking care of us. And she said to him, she said, I know dad, but I need somebody with skin on. And you know, we live in a world full of people and we can offer the gospel to them and we can say, you know, come to Jesus and all your needs will be supplied. Jesus is the answer, Christ is the answer. But we live in a world full of people who are looking for, who need someone with skin on, someone with flesh and blood who is able to identify with us in flesh and blood, someone who is able to relate to me where I am and connect with me where I am. We wanna talk next about becoming the hands and feet of Christ. The apostle Paul said in 1 Corinthians chapter 12, now you are the body of Christ and members in particular. You, the church on earth today are the body of Christ. You represent Jesus Christ in this world and you may be the only gospel that many people will ever read. I would like to talk to us about alleviating the suffering that comes from sin. I believe that one of the callings of the church, yes, is to share the gospel and help people to find the freedom from sin that is available in Christ Jesus. But I believe that there's another calling that the church has. One that I believe that we can do more to fulfill and that is alleviating the suffering that comes from sin. When Jesus sent out his disciples, he said to them, as you go preach, share the gospel, preach that the kingdom of heaven is at hand, preach saying that the kingdom of heaven is at hand. And then right on top of that, he said, heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils, freely you have received, freely give. And I believe that continues to be God's call to the church today, to alleviate the suffering that sin has brought into the world. And when you think about the suffering that sin has brought into the world, actually it would be all of the suffering that is in the world today is a byproduct of sin. And I believe the church has a responsibility, a call to alleviate the suffering, to be proactive in alleviating the suffering that sin has brought into the world. Jesus said in Matthew chapter 25, when the Son of man shall come in his glory and all the holy angels with him, that shall he sit upon the throne of his glory and before him shall be gathered all nations and he shall separate them one from another as his shepherd divided his sheep from the goats and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left and the king shall say to them on his right hand, come you blessed of my father and here at the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me meat. I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you took me in naked and you clothed me.  I was in prison and you came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him saying, Lord, when saw we the hungry and fed thee or thirsty and gave thee a drink? When saw we the stranger and took the in or naked and clothed thee? When saw we sick or in prison and came unto thee and the king shall answer and say unto them, verily I say unto you in as much as you have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, you have done it unto me. I would like for us, and I want to encourage you in your small group discussion afterwards, I would like to encourage us to consider how can we as a church be more proactive in alleviating the misery that sin has brought into the world? How can we be ministering to the needs of society about us? Sometimes we get this impression that as a church we're called to do spiritual work. That's our job. We're called to minister to the spiritual needs of people. And it's just not real spiritual to serve in a soup kitchen or to do these other menial sorts of tasks. But I want to encourage us that there is huge needs out there. As a matter of fact, we're living in a day of opportunity where the church is going to have many, many opportunities to be meeting real needs. And if we are too spiritual to meet the real needs of society about us, then I fear that we're not going to be very successful in communicating the gospel to them and leading them to the Lord Jesus Christ. Because after all, love should be the trademark of the Christian. By this shall all men know that you're my disciples if you have loved one for another. We need to be providing care for the elderly.  We need to be supporting and maybe creating medical clinics that provide compassionate care. I spent a lot of time in the hospital this summer. And that's a place where you will find people who are looking for answers and open to the gospel because they have real needs. We need to be providing hospice centers that can provide adjuvant care for people. Homeless shelters, retreats for battered wives, care for the vulnerable among us, the children among us, care for the physically handicapped, care for the blind, ministry for those with addictions. What the Melbourne shared on Wednesday night that there was a day when the church provided these kinds of services for the people. The only place to get this kind of care was monasteries and convents. And you could go there and you could know that you would be taken care of if you had needs like these that needed to be cared for. And the church provided these kinds of things. As he shared, the government took over these responsibilities. And unfortunately, we are far too comfortable with the government doing these kinds of things. We pay our taxes and we say, well, that's the government's job, that's their job. They take care of the social needs of society. That's their job. But I believe, I want to challenge us that as a church, I believe that we are neglecting our calling if we are not engaging and meeting these kinds of needs in our society. And I believe that as we do this, many, many doors are open to share the gospel and many, many souls will be saved as a result of the loving care that they receive from us. So I believe the title, the message this evening was church of God, awake, arise. And I trust this evening that I have given you some motivation to do that. As I already said, I believe that the church is a very vital force in our society. But I also believe that there are many things that we could be doing, should be doing, must be doing to influence and to impact our society. And I want to encourage us to rise up.  Don't be ashamed to be different.  Be bold. In the book of Daniel, we read that those who know their God shall do exploits. They shall be strong and they shall do exploits. That means that they are going to be involved in society. It means that they are going to be actively engaged in meeting the needs of society. And I want to encourage you to do that. God bless you. Thank you for tuning in this evening.  Thank you, brother Donald. That was very inspiring. You were very much engaged and better equipping the saints of God to be what God wants us to be in the kingdom of heaven. I was thinking as you were concluding your comments about a scripture I believe by the apostle Paul, perhaps in the book of first Corinthians, when he says, the love of Christ constraineth us. The love of Christ constraineth us. I have looked at that many different times and I know the word constrain as it's used there in the authorized version. The word constrain can mean a couple of different things. It can mean it holds us back. But the word constrain also means it propels us forward. And that's the meaning that I like as I think about that passage. The love of Christ constraineth us. And I think you've given us a constraining message. You've propelled us tonight as we consider the truths that you've given to us, the church as a presence, the church as a voice, and the church as a person. Again, thank you so very much for that. We have a few questions that have been submitted and I'm going to invite brother Philip Hess to come forward now and will anticipate some of those questions being addressed to you and you can answer them. We'll have about 15 to 20 minutes perhaps of question of Q and A time here. Brother Philip. Well, brother Donald, thank you very much. I enjoyed and appreciated that message. Brother Kurt started us out by telling us about Daniel seven where it says that the ancient of days came and the saints possessed the kingdom. And I believe that you gave us some practical discussion tonight about how we can go ahead and build that kingdom right now and use the opportunities we have. So thank you for that. One thing that stuck out to me was early in your message, you said that the title, Church of God, Awake, Arise, might sound as if we are asleep and sitting down and you didn't think that was the case, but maybe that is the case for some of us. Maybe some of us are in a comfortable position somewhere and maybe our eyes are nodding off a bit. So thank you for the challenge that we rise up and be alert. So we do have some questions here. Some of them came earlier in the message and you may have answered them to some extent, but I'll go ahead and ask them as they came in and we can learn something. So the first question is, can you give us Anabaptist groups? Some practical ways to reclaim our biblical identity instead of just becoming another American fixture and feeling comfortable by adapting to our present culture. People in other countries are wondering why we as Anabaptists want to pursue some of the same pursuits as the average American, such as generating great amounts of wealth all the way from the shores of Delaware to the coast of Oregon. Well, thank you for that question. That is a question that I believe that we as Anabaptist people need to take very, very seriously because I believe that our witness is actually dependent on that. We have become, as I shared earlier, the quiet in the land. We're good farmers and businessmen and we do well in those arenas. I think we put far more energy and effort into our farms and businesses than we do into kingdom building. And that's really the burden on my message this evening is that there are so many things that we could be and should be doing with our time and with our money that would be building the kingdom of heaven rather than building our personal estates. And I really believe that if we intend to be the influence in our society that God intended for us to be, then I believe that we need to seriously consider where we are investing our time and our money. Yeah. Thank you. I think that's good. Maybe rather curt. I'm sure this is something you thought about too. I have. Thank you for that response for the Donald. You know, as I think about, I think about Anabaptist people and mission work among us.  I noticed that one of the passages of scripture you referred to, I think this was the passage in Matthew 10 which actually was the first time that Jesus sent disciples out with an evangelistic message. I noticed there in that passage that unlike we find in what we refer to as the Great Commission in Matthew 28 where it says go and teach in Matthew 10, it says as you go preach. And you made a very, very valid point about Walmart and the people in line behind us at the checkout line.  So I just, I valued that emphasis that you put into this message tonight. Thank you so much for that. Yes. Okay, here's another question. Can you explain how we can be the moral compass and still not participate in the political realm? I'm trying to understand what the connection would be between being the moral compass and participating in the political realm. I don't see a connection at all. The assumption there would be that the only way to be a moral compass, the only way to provide moral direction for society is through political force. And that has not proven to be true historically and is certainly not true today. I mean, the church, and I think this is part of our anti-baptist vision is that the church influences society without the help of the political arena. The church impacts people, one person at a time, community by community, not using, we are not, the church of Jesus Christ does not need a political platform, I'm talking about a government platform to carry forth her message. She is the salt of the earth and the light of the world and that has nothing to do with political power, political position at all. The church is a moral compass, just simply by being Christ in a world that is lost from Christ. Thank you. Yeah, here's another question. Um, maybe brother Kirk can weigh in on this one too. Says, you call to open many specialty tools such as hospice and addiction centers. You also advocate our people receive higher education to fulfill these goals or should we quietly meet these needs on an individual level? I was calling us to become more involved in these kinds of things and certainly there are, in order to fulfill some of those, we would need to get higher education. That's certainly true. But there are so, I shared that splattering of ideas just to trigger our thinking and to make us aware of some of the possibilities and that's really just a small list of the possibilities of what the church could be doing. But I guess what I would challenge us to do, so take that list if you will and ask yourself how much of what is on that list? Do you know of the church? I'm thinking particularly of our anti-baptist people are actually engaged in doing those kinds of things. And I guess my burden is that it seems as though we are so really uninvolved in so many ways of the real needs of society and we are really quite comfortable to let maybe the Catholic church or the Lutherans or the government take care of those needs and we'll take care of our farms. I guess that's really the burden that I had. Sure. What are your thoughts on that, Brother Kirk? Well, the linking between higher education and ministering as in the examples that Brother Donald has put before us, it's an interesting thought. I think sometimes that we make an idol out of education and I speak that carefully. I do have a college degree. I don't flaunt that. I don't boast about it. But so I'm not opposed to higher education but I think that a man or woman that's surrendered to God, it's impossible to describe how much impact that individual can have. And there is a place for education and there are opportunities that education will open for us, but there's so much that can be done without going on into the realm of higher education. So I'm not sure if I'm actually addressing the question but I'm just focusing in on that link a little bit between higher education and ministry opportunities and in these examples of Brother Donald gave to us. Thank you. Okay, I'm going to read a couple of comments now. And I think these are probably directed at us as Anabaptist people and something we can learn from that. And I welcome responses on these. So one is, please be aware that cultural differences are nothing like genetic variations and go much deeper than not knowing if it's all right to approach a plain person in public. I was a convert to the Anabaptist many years ago and experienced this and also observed other converts. The plain people's poor understanding of this is one of the main reasons that many converts do not last. I'll go ahead and read the next comment. I'm sorry, I thought there was a comment here but I'm not seeing it. Let me just make a comment if I may. So your quote, Brother Donald early on where you said, you won't know us until you've lived among us been hurt by us and been healed. I think that was kind of the way you said it. I tried to jot it down but you won't know us until you've lived among us been hurt by us and been healed. There's some really powerful statements there some expression there that I'm just kind of pondering a little bit. You're not of course advocating that the church of God would hurt people. I know you well enough to know that you're not advocating that. That's correct. But that's a good thought to be thinking about. The reality is that we do hurt people and we've been hurt by people. You've been hurt by people, I've been hurt by people and no doubt we have done the same to others. And we don't want to do that but in the church, in the kingdom of heaven here on earth those kinds of things do happen. Yeah, well I was struck earlier by your comment, Brother Donald about little girl who needed somebody with skin on and we all need that. And yet unfortunately everybody that I know that has skin on also has some character problems and some sanctification issues and some failures and I'm at the top of that list. And so if we as Anabaptist people have some unique issues then we want to be humble enough to understand those and work on them. And that's what I heard from you this evening. So thank you for that. Now here's another question. I know I'm supposed to care about the loss but I don't think I do that much. How can I overcome this? Thank you for that question because I actually wanted to address that issue. So what if I don't have compassion for other people? What if I don't feel the pain of other people? What do I do about that? What if I don't really have a burden for the loss? What do I do about that? Well, I would encourage you to get down in your knees and ask God to give you that burden, to ask God to help you to feel the lostness of the lost and to feel the pain of others.  I believe that if the spirit of Christ is in us then we're going to feel the pain that Jesus would feel in that situation. And if we don't feel that, have that burden or feel that pain, then maybe we need to pray and we need to cleanse our hearts and we need to ask God to fill us with his spirit and give us a burden for the lost. Yeah, do you have a thought on that Brother Curt? That's a point very well made, very well made. Thank you so much for that. Well, here's another one. This is more about church life, I suppose, than the expansion of the kingdom. But in our church life, how do we know when to let love cover a multitude of sins and when to go and tell our brother his fault, as Matthew 18 says? Well, I guess from our tradition we have placed a lot of emphasis on Matthew 18. Love covering the multitude of sins. I don't believe that that excuses us from being brethren to one another and confronting sin in one another's life whenever we see it. I believe that should be very much a part of brotherhood. And I think that I would definitely lean more towards the side of taking action. Love covering the multitude of sins. Maybe if the brother has sinned against me some way and I might be the only person who really knows about it. You know, I could forgive that brother in my heart and I don't need to publish it or blacken his name by letting everybody else know how he has offended me. And that's one way that we can apply that scripture to brotherhood. But I don't believe that passage is cancelling out the command in Matthew 18. Okay, so you're saying that perhaps I could go ahead and talk to that brother about his sin, but I could cover it by not telling other people about it. Well, that's the order of Matthew 18. Go to him alone. That's the first step, yes. Sure, that's good, thank you. Here's another question. About five years ago, a presentation was given at Kingdom Fellowship Weekend about ways to minister to expectant mothers considering abortion in their babies. Did we know if anyone is taking hold of this vision? Brother Donald or Brother Kurt, do you know of anyone who's working on that? I'm not able to answer that. I don't know of anything that's happening like that. Do you know Kurt? And I know that my exposure is limited too, but I'm also not aware of anybody doing anything with that. I feel certain that there are individuals who are involved but whether there's any kind of concerted effort to do something that way, I'm not certain. Well, maybe we need to seek out if there's an opportunity there. Okay, and maybe we'll just have one final question. And just wonder, Brother Donald, if you could comment on what things you see that might be genuine cultural barriers that prevent us from reaching out to other people, what those things might be and what to do about them if they exist. Genuine cultural barriers. Well, as I was sharing earlier, I think that we as Anabaptist people have created probably, we're probably as guilty of creating cultural barriers as anyone. And I think we need to face that honestly. We have a tendency to be like, excuse me, I love our Anabaptist people and I'm not trying to put us down, but we have a tendency to be like the Pharisee who prayed, I thank you God that I'm not like other men are. And I think that one of the things that we need to do is to identify with those who are struggling with sin issues and not be so distant from people who have real issues that we can't identify with them, that we can't actually get close to them and try to help them. So when I think of real cultural barriers, I'm thinking more of our own issues than the issues of society about us. Although I'm sure that there are other cultural issues. I think there are things that we do that we're not even aware of that are cultural barriers. And I think that's what the comment there was all about, that we Anabaptist people are more culturally removed than what we know. And so when people try to come among us, there are continuandos, there are things that we say and do that we think that everybody should understand but they don't understand. And so I think that we probably have created cultural barriers in that way. And I guess going the other way, cultural barriers. Yes, I believe that there are some real cultural barriers as we especially like going into inner city. The urban living is so different from royal living and those of us who have grown up in the country to try to go into the city and evangelize is almost like going into a foreign land to evangelize because of the cultural differences between the way people live, between the way people think and between the way people respond. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't be doing it but I think urban evangelization requires someone who is able to enter that culture and understand and learn how these people think and what their real needs are and what is the best way to reach them. And then of course there is religious cultures. I mentioned the Muslim culture and we actually I believe as Anabaptist people we actually have an advantage in ministering to Muslims in that they respect us for our distinctive garb and for our modest apparel and we actually have an advantage in going into the Muslim culture. They will be more ready to listen to us because of what we represent, what we stand for. I don't know if that gives a further answer to that question or not but that's what I would have to say there. Thank you. Well, I just have a couple more small items but maybe before I do that, Brother Kurt, did you have anything you wanted to add? Well, yes, I would comment on that a little bit. I think one thing we can do to help remove cultural barriers is to remember what great centers we were and what great salvation we have received in Jesus Christ. I often pray that God would not let me forget how miserable I was before I surrendered my life to Jesus and became a born again individual. I have opportunities to speak to individuals who are agnostics and skeptics. Many times I have opportunities to do that and I am very free to tell them that I understand your perspective because I too was once an agnostic. I lived the agnostic lifestyle and I understand the misery, the inner misery, the inner turmoil that exists in the heart of a person who's lived that life. If we can somehow communicate to other individuals that we are not this sanctified, perfected individual but we actually are people that remember what it was like to be lost and we have a testimony that we can share with them. I think some things like that will help to break down some of the cultural barriers as we encounter them. They have for me at least. That's powerful, thank you. Well, another question or two came in while we were talking here but I'm sorry we don't have time for that. I just wanted to comment. There's a question earlier about whether anything had been done regarding helping expectant mothers and a comment came in that said his image, ministries in Kampala, Uganda was greatly inspired by that message so I don't know anything about that ministry but apparently there was some ministry that was inspired by that and also there was a question about whether that message could be available. I'm sure that we could link that on the Kingdom Fellowship Weekend website or point out which one that was that was preached a few years ago. Thank you brother Donald for answering our questions and for preaching to us and that's all that I have. And thank you brother Phillip. This has been inspiring as we've had the opportunity to engage in this discussion a little bit and engage in this Q&A time not only this evening but the prior evenings as well. So brother Donald has prepared some questions and we're going to display those questions on the screen here momentarily. For those of you that are connected by Zoom you'll be able to see these. I will go ahead and read them so that those who are called in can know what the questions are. We have five questions. Question number one.   Question number two. In what ways do you see your church being salt and light? In what ways do you see your church being salt and light? Number three. How can we more effectively communicate our message across social, cultural barriers? How can we more effectively communicate our message across social, cultural barriers? Question number four. How involved should the church be in humanitarian aid? And question five. Mass evangelism or personal discipleship? How is your church fulfilling her calling? Mass evangelism or personal discipleship? How is your church fulfilling her calling? How is your church fulfilling her calling?


How toxic are your Asian parents because this TikToker is going viral for having a bone to pick with her dear mother. Yeah, this one sparked a heated debate within the Asian-American community. Let's play the video from TikToker, handi nut Cheerios right now. I originally thought I had to get a husband in order to experience the true extent of weaponizing competence. But then I moved back home and I realized that I've actually been subjected to it my entire life because I have immigrant parents. Because now that I move back home, it's like my parents forgot how to do any basic tasks and problem solving. Oh, and their excuse? My English is better and I was born in the States. But the thing is their English isn't bad. So how are they doing things like reading the mail for the last five years before I moved back home? And I get it right. Technology these days is really advanced compared to dial up internet. But why do I have to book their online appointments when they both have smartphones and computers? And I understand that I'm very lucky and my parents sacrifice a lot for me to be here. But I'm just so tired of hearing my name being echoed throughout the house at least 20 times a day just because they refuse to spend more than 30 seconds trying to figure something out for themselves. Whoa. Hey, honestly, that's new vocabulary to me. I had never heard the terms weaponized incompetence. And of course, Andrew, there was a lot of people going against her, but some people going forward too. I want to say maybe it was a generational split. Yeah, I do think it's generational and I think it also depends on a few factors. Anyways, we are going to break it down. We're going to have this discussion here. So please do us a favor, hit that like button right now. If you guys like our videos and how we break things down. Are her parents more toxic or she more ungrateful or possibly Andrew, let's be honest in the court of law, like Judge Judy always says, the truth sometimes is somewhere in the middle. Maybe her parents are toxic and she's ungrateful. And maybe it's a commentary on Gen Z, but some Asian parents are not the best Asian parents. I mean, I think what she's saying is not unbelievable. I think it definitely does happen honestly in some families. But I think the way she said it, she said it in kind of an annoying way. And I think that really like rubbed people the wrong way. Although I think a lot of people understood what she was trying to say.  Exactly. Like they can actually weaponizing incompetence to me is when your parents can actually accomplish it. It won't break their back to do it, but they choose not to.  Let's just assume under this guys that this concept is very real. Andrew, couldn't you be at a zero to three, three out of six, six to nine? Listen, every parent has asked their younger child for help on their iPhone, on their Android, on the computer to some extent. Oh my gosh, how do I work Facebook? How do I like we've, I've helped mom with that stuff too. But yeah, different parents. It really depends because it depends on the harsh situation that your parents come from, I think, which is also going to build empathy and sympathy from your side. Also, it's times the incapability they have of navigating new sides, like let's say they're really bad at English and they're trying to navigate something in English. So of course, they're going to need help, right? And then also another factor is how often they exercise this request from you, right? Right. How often are they like hitting that button? Yeah. How often are they bothering you about it?  We all went through it. What you think you're the only person with Asian parents. But obviously it's tough to say, right? Because everybody, a nine out of 10 weaponizing competence is way different than a three out of 10. Like I said, man, I think she just sounded kind of whiny, but she's trying to make a point here. Anyways, guys, David, uh, essentially the comment section is split into two main groups against the TikToker and agreeing with the TikToker. A lot of the people who came out strongly against handing out cheers were older, right? Because probably what they've been through it themselves. They felt like I never complained. I never even complained to my friends, let alone social media.  So it's interesting because a lot of the older comments came from the Instagram post off of Nex Shark. And I know that they're older because I actually know some of the people who have upped comments on here. So I know that is a older audience. And then a lot of the comments that we're agreeing with her were actually off of her TikTalk page, which I do believe is a younger demographic and also maybe not even Asian. I think some non-Asian kids from Latin backgrounds, from Latino backgrounds, they relate to this. Yeah. So anyway, let's just get into the comment section real quick. These are the ones against her. They said, clue one is the Taylor Swift shirt. Oof. The incompetence is crippling. Andrew, this is kind of a referendum on Gen Z, right? People saying, look at you. You're so silly. You're like, this is what Gen Z. They just complain about everything that the previous generations would just accept as life. Right. Right. Right. Somebody said, that's the price you pay for living in your parents house. Somebody said, what a bozo. Someone said, man, I know we got our own battles, but strong dislike of this sentiment. Somebody said, am I actually watching something real right now? And somebody said, there's no difference than a lazy person doing chores bad so they don't get asked to do it. But I guess that comment could have applied to the parents or the kids to be honest. Would you consider those things chores like the ones that she used in her TikTalk, like do those count under the, well, you live in my household, so you have to do some chores. And this is part of the chores. I think the way she described it, she definitely didn't build the strongest case against her parents. Right. Like it didn't, I don't know. I'm not saying that maybe there was some example she forgot and she like left out or she didn't want to say because they're like too condemning or whatever like that. But you would have to say Andrew, in the video that she made, she did not make a compelling case for herself. Her parents did not sound toxic enough. I know that there are toxic Asian parents out there. There are toxic all types. Right. There's a whole Reddit form based around it. Of course. But, but it just didn't sound that toxic when she explained it. All right, Andrew. How much is it that people went through her TikTalk and we're going to air some of them right now? She has a lot of rants complaining about a lot of things. Yeah, I think she was also kind of, she also kind of went viral for being the person who complained about doing work at her job for the next two weeks just because she put her two weeks in and she was complaining like, wait, are you supposed to do just as much work in your last two weeks even after you let them know you're about to quit? Right. It seems like she as a TikTalker is no stranger to set in the comments section on fire. Right. Maybe she likes it, right? It's the gravity, it's the magnetism. Yeah, I think and then here's a lot of people who are siding with her and I actually think that they're of a younger demographic, meaning that their parents are also younger. Maybe their parents are more around the 45 to 65 year old range. And I think a lot of people who are in their 30s who have parents well into their 60s and 70s, they don't feel for the TikTalker. Okay, okay. Do they not feel for the TikTalker because the older generation of Asian parents that are more old, old school are less toxic? Or is it because we're processing it differently and we're more just accepting like, hey man, this is just the immigrant kid life. It ain't going to be smooth like we just have to accept it. I think if your parents come from a really rough background, they built themselves up from nothing. Maybe they're refugees. I think you're going to have so much more sympathy for them. So of that generation and a lot of those who came over during that time and in that situation, a lot of them are probably 70 plus right now. They didn't even party at all. Do you think it's true though that her parents maybe partied a little bit? Maybe went to a few raves? Yeah. I heard of younger Viet parents going to raves, like 50 year olds. So I don't know. We don't know. Hey, listen, I'm not discounting it. I'm sure the blame is on both sides. Also, she did note that she is a single child. So I think that also changes the dynamic a little bit because they're all relying on her. Right, right. Totally. Like we said, I think everybody's like judging it off a TikTalk and making assumptions about how somebody's life is due to the shirts they're wearing and stuff like that. I mean that's human nature, but it's not fully right either. Somebody said, I feel this in my bones. I don't have immigrant parents, but my dad does the same thing. It kills me and it makes me hate him a little bit more every single time he does it. I'll hate him a little bit more. Yeah, what is he asking you to do? Hey man, we don't know. Like we said, somebody's saying it has to do with parentification and codependence. I've been there done that still going through it as the children of immigrants. We got to break the cycle for our own happiness. So do you think, I mean, it's so variable, right? Person to person, case to case. I would never tell somebody in a blanket way to, oh, you're so ungrateful, but I would, you know what I mean? Like it could just vary family to family. It doesn't matter a lot about what the kid wants to do with their life because let's say the kid wants to stay around that hometown and live life with their friends. You mean they live at home too?   I don't care. Then you're outside of the environment. You literally cannot help them except by via phone. So I'm saying the expectation changes depending on what you want to do with their life. And that's why a lot of people are saying, hey, if you move back home and you don't know what to do with your life, you are kind of leaving it up to your parents to ask you to do a bunch of stuff. Right. Like how are you going to go to college, become so modern and learn all these like modern progressive things?  And then come back to your home that you know was like that and then expect that they're going to be modernized too. Like your parents just went through undergrad in the US.  Our mom's not like that, but we know some that are. I know. Sure. Man, I saw some parents.  Like, you know what she said? She said, and it just feels like my mom is trying to own my life. You know what I mean? Like over my life. That would be more understandable. Yeah. No, for sure. I mean, like I said, it could be her particular instance that is true for that. Andrew, long story short, man. What's the takeaway? You see people arguing. You see people judging her. You see people defending her. This is tick tock. It's a multi variable equation, man. I know that sounds very smart. I'm trying to sound smart right now. It's a multi variable equation because like I said, man, it depends on where your parents come from, how much you respect where they took your family. Right. If they're refugees and they came up, built a great business, built a great family, you kind of owe them maybe a little bit more. That's that's a fair feeling to have. Also, it depends on how capable your parents are. If they are fluent in English or you know, they're mentally all there and they have worked professional jobs and theoretically they probably need less of your help. Right. And then it also depends on what you want to do with your life. If you have if you are unimpitious and you're lazy and I'm not saying she is, I'm just saying if she is this girl that she all she wants to do is make tick tocks at home and live with her parents, then you are subject to under being under your parents. You're saying except the pros and the cons packaged combo like that you can't parse out. We don't live with our parents. I don't get to benefit from the free food all the coming home to like doing our laundry. We didn't live at home really since we were like 18. Yeah, we haven't lived at home for a long time. So I'm saying I'm not, you know, I don't get our parents to do our laundry all the time, cook for us all the time, clean the house all the time, you know, do little errands for us all the time. Right.  But also with that, I have freedom from them. Right. Right. Hey, like we said, guys, there's always pros and cons and maybe it's a referendum on Gen Z because people are saying, yeah, Gen Z, look at them. They just want all the pros without the cons thinking they can have the perfect best life, best of everything. That's not how my life was. With that said, David, could her mom and parents actually be kind of crazy? Yeah, absolutely. Totally totally possible guys. Like we said, a lot of things when you chat plot chart, like 10,000 100,000 reps, you're going to see like a whole distribution. Yes, like it could be anywhere disclaimer. If you have a crazy toxic parent, it is possible entirely possible. Yeah. And look up the words in that case, look up parentification and codependence, but don't necessarily over apply it to your life. Some of it's just going to be chalked up to it is what it is. I mean, I don't think growing up in a second generation immigrant family. I'm not saying all the time, but like it's not easier than being a multi-generational American. For sure. For sure. That's smoother. For sure. Yeah. Also, I think a lot of people just don't like the fact that she's just on TikTok, like calling her mom crazy, calling her mom out for like no reason. You know what I mean? Like she's just like, Hey, handy nut cheer is likes to mix things up. Yeah. She's definitely so cowgirl. Anyways, guys, thank you so much for watching. Please let us know in the comments down below what you think about this. Are your parents toxic like this? What are the factors that depend on it? If you live under their house, are you just subject to this? Or can they actually be abusive? Some parents are. So I'm sorry to hear that, but let me know in the comments down below what you think. Hit that like button until next time. We out. Peace.