All right, looks pretty close to six 15 by that clock. I think we'll start and first by confirming that we've posted the agenda and three public places and on the website and emailed interested parties so we can move forward on this and I'm going to start with the minutes from the March 4 meeting, which is 14, March 14. All right, getting warmed up here. And I didn't see any corrections on those. I did not either. I'd move to approve those. Second. All in favor. All right. And then we also have the minutes for the March 21st pre town meeting, which correct me. So I would move to approve those. I second. All in favor. All right.  And I'm thinking that Norm and Dean are probably here to talk about item number one on the agenda, which is the skate space discussion. Are you in with that too, Susie? Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. All right. Cool. So I just made because protocol that I just had a phone call saying I've been ran off by 720 to pick something up. So I don't know what number I don't know. She's fourth or fifth up from the bottom. Number 14. No, that's capital planning. Number 15.  So if you have to, if you have to run, I don't see if everyone's in agreement, we could perfectly fine with us. Yeah. And we discussed it. Yeah. All right. Well, let's have at it. Okay. I have. Doggy bag. Just in case anyone has to go. Got to. I got 100 someone in my car. I will share one. Yeah. I'm going to share one brief. I think it would make a good cartoon in the New Yorker as I was walking the dog and he had to go and. I didn't have my bags. And so what did I do? I took off my mask and I used that to grab the dog. I was like, so handy. I didn't put it back. All right. So anyway. Now that I have your attention. Yeah. Okay, there is, I discovered that there is a town ordinance. I was not aware of it. But it does say that there is a fine for not only after the dog will flee, but also for not picking up your. There's one sign. I don't know that the building hasn't made a nickname yet, but down below on the way to the river. There is a sign that says it's fine. It's well worn and not very visible. It's quite far off the road. So three questions I know that you're going to want to ask me what's going cost. Who's going to pay for it. And who's going to be responsible for maintenance and pick up costs. The answer to all three is I don't know what we go by the time I'm done. Okay. So there are obvious reasons for having. Well, what I'm talking about is they're called Cooper's Cooper stations. And now every time I open up YouTube or Google or anything else. That's how you're super super safe. What it is is a small metal structure on a bottom metal bowl. It's inserted in the ground. There's a metal receptacle with a liner where people put their individual bags above that is a dispenser that holds up 2000 bags. Above that is a sign asking people to follow the law about that. With an option to post whether or not there's going to be a financial file. That's an extensive research. You can buy bundles of them, which is as always most cost effective. But I think it is important. It's important to have and spend a lot of time thinking about this subject. Oh, it's important. One of the things that spring brings to my mind is not one weather but hearing the birds and seeing the poop. It's early begun I have a perfect, perfect view from my front porch right here outside. Every tourist that comes into town with a dog. After they eat in a shop. They walk over to the river here and they walk their dog. A great place for a Cooper's Cooper station. This is a huge issue because dog, dog thesis is considered to be a polluted.  Obviously, you don't have dogs for that. They were crossing $150 Richardson dogs in town. And as I've been saying, when the tourists come in, there's a lot more and it's most of what we see during the summer. And all of the walking areas are along water. The new park, the Peabody trail, and here. Okay. So we have those, those possibilities they carry all sorts of diseases. That's where you can stay in the soil for years. Other dogs can transmit the disease started off with dogs like me and each other's droppings. So if there are serious health concerns that I think are the responsibility of not just the dog owners, but the people of town and the government. It doesn't cost that much. And just someone asked me that using a fertilizer. It's not a good idea. Really high nitrogen. And it could also carry bacteria. The rest of this just common sense is courtesy. And I think the ordinance needs to clarify. And understanding reading it. The final so applied to just not putting it after that. So I've identified five places where I think these would be useful. Out here by the side of the town clerk. One of the website bar. One or two on the park here in town. And one or two. State space and one by the tennis courts. They come in bundles of five that you can get six. So back to the first three questions that I didn't answer. It's not going to cost me $2,000. It costs as little as 1600. That's for five stations. 20,000 bags. One hundred and 250 liners all the hardware you need to put it in. One other thing I was thinking about is in terms of placement. It would be ideal if it was under a street light. That's not going to be possible. They do some of those solar lights on, but I don't think that's going to work. So we can figure that out after this. So I'd like input. I don't, I can't see why anybody would be object to our town happiness. Another reason is speaking with Julie, both the state and the town of Rochester. We advertise as a destination town. This is a place to come. This is a place for tourists to come. And having amenities for their dogs. Makes their lives easier. So that would also be put in all of the literature about the town. Websites about the biking trails. Bring your dog. You can have afterwards. Easy accessible. Social sources of income. Donations. Find. I don't know how that would be. Fundraisers. I remember that in the 80s. Was it. I don't know what it was connected with, but it was a dog show on the floor. And all the kids got certificates. If there's 150 extra dogs in town. Most of those are probably from young families. So really good way. In communities that we don't know what we see. It's been, it's next to the recreation field. It's next to the tennis courts. It's right next to the river. So I think it's a win-win-win-win situation. Does anybody have any questions? So I'm basically presenting. Presenting this informational piece. Thanks to do approach my son. Droppings by the river. And Trevor, my son took a 30 gallon bag and shovel over. And while he was there. The two other regular dog walkers came over. And they saw him and they felt bad and they helped him. And when I see any of the three of them walk by, they always have a bag. So thank you. They got me thinking about Cooper's Cooper. Yes.  That's what I see. Yeah. Are you, but you're proposing that they go into six different. Five or six different locations. Do you know if those locations are being abused? No, I'm going to keep going trail. It's just very helpful to use. But I have never walked it without seeing in the dog pieces on the ground. Fortunately, I think one of the lucky ones who hasn't stepped in. There are people that park their cars. They don't want to see the other things. And they let their dogs run out there.  They don't bother going all the way in to the tennis court. Do you agree? I think having one down by the tennis court parking lot makes a lot of sense. And I could see.  And yeah. Yeah. This is definitely a popular spot here. And it's just really helpful to have people come and go to the town and might as well have one on the main park and the small park. Nancy. Who's going to empty them, right. Where does it get empty too? What my, my. I was going to be on my question. For the results of this, of this presentation here. with the people at ABLE, their trucks are encountering a lot, it seems obvious that the one right here could pick up on Saturdays without much difficulty. It depends because I can't ask for any estimates on that cost until I know how many and where they're going to be. I don't want to just speculate with them. Yeah, I don't know if I'd go as far as asking ABLE to manage that, manage those stations, but I'm sure that they would, you know. Well, he wouldn't be managing them, it would just be another pick up site. Well, five stations, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's where, yeah, that's. I'd sooner have the block care maintenance guy. Yeah, I think this would probably be like a monthly thing to check on. I don't think it's. Is it possible it could get picked up by composting? It's no. We have a dark station at Great Rock for two years now. It's been pretty successful. It was, I think it was about a hundred and fifty bucks or two hundred dollars for the station, but two bags of cement in there, you know, and Schmoke can do it.  We ended up getting just some local garbage guy, kind of O'Connell. He doesn't do it anymore. We got to find a meat guy that charges us three bucks per week to do it. And I know the volume of the town won't be as little as the volume here would be, but that could give you an idea of maybe just a weekly pick up because there's already meat. Yeah, I know what our economy actually won't. I would think it'd be more practical just to have someone take them up and then toss them in the dumpster by the town garage or something. Don't need to have a special pickup for dog stations. And you were suggesting that the person who's up the town hires for grounds maintenance could do that. I'm not suggesting that I take it. Someone with a dog should do that, right? They should deliver their package. So are you volunteering again? No, that's not it. But I like the idea though. I think it's a good idea. It's just a matter of finding someone to pick it up from that point. I think that's the issue. Now, in regards to initial funds, are there any funds that utilize that the town has? Well, it seems to me that this could be justified under ARPA funds, if we're talking about making it safer and versioned people to be outside. That was a lot of what ARPA originally was about, is to facilitate healthy outdoor activities, right? And it's a small invite out of that. We don't currently, unless we'd have to just steal it. There's nothing in the budget for it now, and there's nothing in it for next year. But that seems to me that would be a likely source. I put it on the list. I have no qualms about being able to raise a couple thousand bucks. Well, maybe that's a better approach if you try to raise whatever you can. And if you can't get to that point, then you come back to us and see what you need after that. And in the meantime, I think we could probably approach John about when he moves along every other week or something to pick that up and dump in the dump stir.  So we could add that to his contract possibly. And it's not any big deal. It's going to be going right by the place anyway. He would also be a good source of problem areas versus other areas that are not. Right.  Is it a problem on the park? Yes. It says to on July 4, it's being on the stage at the parking scene with whoever shows up. And in between songs, somebody turned to me and go, did you just see that? That lady with the big dog. Anybody got a bag? It happens. I might recommend maybe a signage on the park. There is a sign on the park to direct them to the dog stations. But there is one of the signs on the park. Okay. It's right in front of Huntington House. Does it direct them? It doesn't direct them to the station. I suggest that they pick it up after themselves. Right. Right. But if there was a station, it might be, you know. That would be a good place for the station, right by the sign. It would be a good place for the station where the sign is, tell them where they are. This is why the challenging part to be happening is through, because the heading on how you access the park. You access the park, the Huntington House, and the state space. Yeah. And then we could go outside. That's one thing I would like to put on this place. No, I think it's definitely a good idea. And it would be enhanced. And so, we'll, yeah, let's, I don't think we're going to make a specific decision now, but I think it's on the agenda.  And it's not the first time it's come up. So thanks for refreshing it, Susie. And I think that So, I'll put out a fundraising article where we're communicating and I'll let you know how we do. Yeah, that'd be great. Thank you. Thank you. Have a safe drive. All right. So what do you think about having one of these stations by the skate space? Is that I think it's a good idea.  There's a fire hydrant there. No, those are for peeing on. Yeah. So, um, yeah, but, um, so skate space. So yeah, um, so I sent an email to select and did you all get to read it? Yes. Yeah. Okay. I have a couple of copies here. I'll just pass one. I know you've got one. I got one. You can pass just proves it. But basically, the skate space has, uh, I need some work. I need some we've been struggling for the last couple of years filling it in the winter. Um, because of the out of level situation that it is. And so I took it upon myself to basically get a quote for resurfacing the skate space and or possibly redoing it in a more level way. Um, I just got off the phone with Ray before I got here. Um, and the quote I came up with on that was, you know, the total dig and redoing everything kind of concurred with that prep work. Um, but what I'm here in front of the select board for is basically, you know, looking for funding for this project. Um, state space gets about 2800 a year. Um, 18, 18 of the fact goes to, um, John to clear the ring. Um, he has, um, magnetically offered half of that to redo the service for this year. Um, he couldn't do it this year this year because that would be like for next next winter. So he's basically cutting his fee for one year to clear the surface. If we go ahead and redo, um, the right, that, that's, that'd just be a, uh, uh, part of what it would cost. Not right. I'm trying to cover it. Yeah. If you read through the letter, uh, I'm trying to cover a lot of different, um, funding together because it's a big number. Um, and, um, so to rebuild it completely, which is probably the, the best solution because otherwise it's just patching it again. We're talking 40 or $50,000, right? Uh, I'm going to say 35 to 40. 35 to 40. So the quote I got, the one quote I got for, from a, um, contractor, a paving contractor, Charlie Bowen came by over from Pittsburgh. Um, he said it would cost 14 to 16 to resurface the space as it is, which basically puts another coat over it, makes it smooth, fairly watertight, but we're losing two to three inches of space that we can fill with water. And is it, what, about four inches out of level from one end to the other? It is four inches out of level, at least. So it's, it's not a, I shot it in the fall. I've got the numbers right here. Um, and, you know, we're, we're just basically fighting it every year. Um, the liner was a solution for one year. This particular winner was a nightmare. Um, we did a lot of effort to put boards up the fire department helped us put it out, patch it. And when I got back the next day, the ground had quite frozen, although it was like, you know, 10 degrees that night when we poured. So it drained out and it was back to square one, you know, so we only had four inches of water on one eye and one inch on the other. So anyway, it was just a very, you know, I kind of, after this season, I said to Norm, I'm just not banging my head against this wall anymore, unless the town wants to invest in trying to make it inviting and something that we could be proud of. It's, it's just, it's kind of, you know, it's not ideal right now. And it gets a lot of use. So I'm basically asking the first question I have is can we, as skate space part of the Rec Committee, ask for a reserve fund for skate space for a larger capital investment down the road. What that means to me is that if we don't spend it, it rolls into the next year and increases like fire truck or I guess the tennis courts does. Right. So I'm, I'm asking that question first. I think because the nature of skate space that, that asphalt area is a sort of thing that needs to be maintained over a course of years. And that needs to be some Q to Right. We have, we have a thousand dollars a year and mainly what goes on down there is volunteer effort. It's nobody gets paid to do anything down there. But every improvement that we've done is, you know, I've been involved in and it's been, you know, it's nice to have, but I just can't feel good about going down there to make an ice skating. When it doesn't work. Right. So is there, so setting up a reserve fund, this, this would be working towards a solution for this many years in the future. Yes. At this, at this stage game. Yes. Unless you could come up with someone who was willing to sponsor it. And I would think that finding a big chunk of money to address the main, because, well, I know Terry gets frustrated from the fire department trying to fill it and then have it just drain right out again. It's, it's kind of. It costs us a lot of money to heat that. As long as those trucks are free filling water, it's getting from 40 something degrees up the heating, heating in the fire station. Right. When you pull a truck full of cold water into there. Yeah. That's interesting. Right. So is it, is it a cost? Yeah. I mean, I, I did stuff with the, you know, we're not due to dig into the budget scenario for the 2023-24, 23-24 until this fall. I mean, that's, I would, I would, well, I would start looking around for them. Well, I'm not finished yet, but that was just the first question. Oh, that's the first question. The first question is, you know, can we have a reserve fund attach the state space for future maintenance? In fact, we do fix it. So the second is, is there a chance to increase the budget allowance for us? Again, that would be right. Consideration. Because we're, we've already set the budget for starting July 1st. So it's not really a consideration to increase the budget for it next year. So the discussion of what does that begin next fall in the fall? In winter? Well, I'm going to just put a note in there that I would like it discussed. Yeah. I'll be back in the fall. The fourth idea is to what is the procedure for getting some ARPA funds to dedicate to state space initially for possibly this year. I've listed in that that email I wrote, I think 10 different funding sources that we have come up with.  Yeah, go ahead. Supervisor Union, Rochester Elementary School, for the town of Rochester, trustees of public funds, One Planet, they actually use it. The ARPA, Public Fundraising, we're thinking about sending a letter out to everybody, you know, possibly in the town, seeking individual donations. We can also do that through the GoFundMe page. And we're thinking about maybe doing something for the Woodland Collective and the Vermont Community Foundation. So that's the evidence we're looking at. So the main question is, what's the procedure for the ARPA funds? Well, the procedure in which we've, this is a good time to bring it up because we've been gathering, you know, a list of potential ways to do that. And with an eye to having it be affecting the most people in town as possible, not just picking one pet project and funding that, but really to spread it out. Like maybe the, you know, dogway station, there's a small bite on it. This would be a pretty big bite on it. So we're compiling a list and we're intending to have more conversation about this with the town and to after, and so it's good that you bring it up now that this would be another one to put on the list and throw it out there and get input from the town about how, you know, we'd like to see this money spent. It's not a bottomless bit of money. Right, right. I know the number. It would probably be more appropriate to have it be a match, you know, if a chunk of it, I don't think that would look to do the whole rebuild out of ARPA funds, but if it could, you know. Well, the thing that I feel is that I think the town should, you know, I believe in the place because it has everything to do with outdoor education for youths. And I've believed in that since I lived here. And I think if the town were to put their money with the mouth is, it would go a long way for us to go out and ask for private and public funds on our own. So if there was a significant number forward moving on this, it would really go a long way by saying, well, you know, these ARPA funds are, say, $10,000 directed to it. It would really help us in a letter to the public to basically try to get those funds as soon as we can. I mean, I'd love to do it this year, but I also know the wheels turn slowly. And the other question about ARPA funds, is there a timeline on any of that that needs to, if we were to get some money, is there like a timeline on it where it has to be spent on a certain date, date, date by, I think it's 25 or 26 years. We have a few years. So that's why we're compiling a list really. And we don't, and we we're getting it in installments. I did talk to Larry Strauss, I understand that he's helping with that mix of that. And he he thought that it was a pretty solid place to put some funds. One thing, Dean, we are under procurement policy with that too. So anything over $10,000, you have to get three different bids on. So I mean, that's something that you'd have to do. And I think if you guys are willing to spearhead that, that would be a good way of dealing with it. What do you guys think? I have a couple of questions too. Yeah. Who originally built the skate space? Well, there was the first thing we did was we put a liner down, a rubber EPM liner. I see that. But then it then it was there, you know, that didn't work out so well. The Cattails, et cetera. And yeah, 95, 96. And then the in 99, I think, let's talk to Ray about it. And he he seems to remember Blacktop doing the work out of New Hampshire. It's a paving company. And he was saying like, you know, I had to go down there and flatten the thing out before, you know, so I don't think it was prepped quite appropriately. Because it's obvious what's going on with the heaving on the North side. So are there plans that I'm not saying we need to go out and find an engineer to develop plans, but are there plans that you can pull down off the shelf to avoid having the same situation come back again? The deeper you go and the more dream product you know about that that you can put in there, the better off you are racing to think it was, you know, maybe scraped down about three to four inches to gravel and then, you know, that's not that's not near enough. No. And there is drainage there as in a drain pipe to daylight. And actually still works because it does not fill the water when those are open. But that would have to be redone. No, I don't have a plan, but I've kind of been in construction long enough. And I would probably reach out to Cricut maybe to get an idea of what it would be appropriate depth work would be. But Ray seemed to concur that, you know, 16 to 16 inches to two feet would be more appropriate. Yeah. I wouldn't want to rebuild it only to have it crumble again. Okay, so if we're going to spend 10s of thousands of dollars, I want it to go into something that will last a little bit longer. Your reserve account, would those funds be targeted towards, would you still need to have a liner? No, no, no liners. Okay, so that that would be eliminated. And so that would be for like sealing the pavement on an annual basis. That would be the sealing pavement, which never really got done. Right, so. We've painted it several times. Right, like what what Peter Parrish does every year on history. That would be needed to be done. There's a crack. It needs to be white though. Yeah, it needs to be white. Yeah. So I did do some research on that. There is a product that they can put in to the black top, some lime that lightens the color. It's not, it doesn't come out black. So it doesn't have the ice. I would love it to be laid white, but there's nothing like that. It's, you know, it's it's a petroleum product. So it's black. White is pretty bright in the summer. Right. I know. Maybe like in between. I know a lot of kids use during school hours and after school, by program, use it as a staging area. A lot of state water dwell is there. And cracks and not as safe in some places. So I think the summer years, you know, alone would be a good reason to at some point resurface. And the pump track that, you know, we helped manage next to it. So I think being about it, just an idea of potentially could incorporate the pump track that are into the skate base in a way that, you know, the pump track is a paid asphalt. So the skateboarders can roll later, scooter, bikes and use on and off the skate base. So maybe more of a design for, you know, primarily for the winter ice skating, but you can incorporate the summer use just an idea at that point. So do you want to chip in on the cost of redoing that? Yeah, we could. I think you better look into curtain rain. That bank is super wet. Probably ran into with the tennis court. That's why it's moving. Water sitting in. You don't have a good base. That's wet in there anyway. I've dug that bank for the sore lines and that's super wet. It is wet in there. Back to have just a manhole just down the road there a little bit. I got two pipes that run down next to the road if you've seen them. Run water year round and in the spring they run both and run for near full pipe for that area. It's super wet. So without curtain rain, you're probably wasting your time about keeping it level. I think it needs to be, you know, engineered. Yeah, it needs to be engineered. I think that seems to me that it would be a waste of money to just resurface what's there and that it should be done properly. Spending even more money, which means spending more money. Yeah. Another question. We do have a athletic field over here. Is that at all possible to re-establish it over there? It's a thought. You're talking about which field by the tennis courts? You don't have lights there either. No electric connection. That doesn't mean it couldn't go in. No, but it would be a hard one to put in. We've got we've got some time and money invested in that particular space. It's by the school, which is convenient for the school. It has lights that get used in the winter. And the outbuildings, everything would have to get moved. I think it's a bigger project. But I'm willing to spearhead, you know, I don't know what the engineering cost would be, but I, you know, it's definitely worth going in that direction. Well, I think that it's increased the cost, you know. Yeah, but it'd be a waste of money to not do it right. Marfa would like to add something. Yeah, just about the possibility of it being no more else. When I gained the land to the town to establish that years ago, it was in memory of Katie Doherty, of course. And also, I thought, and at the time it was brought up that that, like you mentioned just a minute ago, that that location was good because it was right next to the school. And since I live right above it, I look down and see from my office window every day, kids down there, lots of times after school, the afterschool program brings kids over. Right now, as I look down, there's four or five cars with a bunch of young men down there doing skateboarding tricks and stuff. And during the winter when the ice was cooperating, there were a lot of skaters down there too. I'd see families down there and stuff. So it does get a lot of use. And the fact that it's right in town with parking there by the school and everything is, to me, makes it a good location. I'm really pleased that everybody wants, seems to, you know, Dean and Norman, everybody are wanting to put some effort into keeping it going. Because I just think it's another good thing about our town. So I'll stop. All right. Well, let's move on from this now. But I think that it's a really good candidate for taking some of the ARPA money as a starter and an incentive for people to match. At least part of it or all of it. Let's see what we're up against. We would endorse doing it to the nines. Right. And so I'm going to research doing some kind of engineering there. I mean, it's not that complicated. I mean, there's water and but we it's, I would love an opinion, you know, off the cuff of this, you know, yeah, first and say, get a quote on what, yeah, how how we can make this done right. I don't want to do it unless it's, yeah, I would think if you would get some sort of ballpark cost on the engineering part, then we can start there and put that on the list for ARPA because it's going to be a costly thing. It's not going to be a huge amount. I wouldn't think just to get an engineering design there and then we can figure out what the estimate of the cost is going to be after that. So if you want to spearhead that, I think that'd be the way to go. And we can throw that on into the ARPA mix, I think. Don't you agree with that? Thank you. So this should be a little bit quicker. This particular one is we've got the application to approve the Huntington House liquor license. And we've got the check here with it and I'd move to approve. Second that. Long favor. See that was nice and quick. Time to go quick. Okay. So next on the agenda, we've got consideration, impossible approval of form PM one grant agreement resolution for the Rochester high school repurposing study. If this sounds familiar, that's because we already did that, but we didn't include some of the appropriate language that we should have that the basically we have to pass a motion at a meeting and basically that the agreement, the sub grant agreement is a legal ballot and binding instrument enforceable in accordance with its terms. That's the sentence that I didn't say last time. Just to cross the T's and dot the I's. So I guess I moved what I just said that we approve this. We've already done it. Very good. I second that. With the proper verbiage, non-favor. Martha, you got it on me. I'm sorry, can you just repeat the wording real, really quickly so I can get it? Okay. Well, I want to certify that the sub grant agreement is a legal valid and binding instrument enforceable in accordance with its terms. That's still fair amount. The sub grant is what I'm sorry, excuse me. You can we can give you a copy of this afterwards. Until if it's easier, maybe if I call the office tomorrow, maybe Julie could give me a email me a copy. That would be, that would be, thank you. Sorry to interrupt. Thank you. I'll meet myself again. Okay. So we'll, this is all right. And this is the consideration and possible approval of the VCDP sub grant and administrative services program, which is the management agreement for the Rochester high school repurposing study. And that is basically authorizing and assigning to two rivers. The role of managing this grant by that, right? Yes, I believe so. Thank you. Yeah, thank you very much. It sounds so right. I would and we have the proper verbiage for that. I work forward. Okay. So I would move that we approve two rivers for the VCDP sub grant and administrative services program. I second that. All in favor? All right. Okay. And then we have application for park use. So the White River Valley players. This is for an outdoor event. Fresh air history theatrical tour around the Rochester park. There'll be five stations, not group stations around the park and the audience and small groups rotates among the stations to view short historical plays. And that's going to be May 20th. I think it's two days. Pardon? I believe it's two days. 20th, yeah, Friday and Saturday. 20th and 21st. Yeah, from the performance is from 6.30 to 8.00 p.m. at 5.00 p.m. setup. And I'd move to approve. Sounds fun. Second that. All in favor? All right. Okay. All right. And then we have another application for the use of the park for a green up day. Once again. And that's going to be on the 7th of May from 8.00 to 4.00 p.m. And Nick Tricuto is going to be making the application and coordinating that. Did I have a question, Robert? No, no, no, I thought, okay. So I'd move to approve that. Second. All in favor? All right. All right. Nice to have that back. Well, they did it last year, but in a little more of a well, abbreviated fashion, I suppose. Now comes to the question of the 4th of July parade. Are we, we've been putting this off to kind of see how the COVID situation is going to unfold. And I know Martha is anxious to, to get planning. If we go ahead and do what, what's your thoughts? I say if Martha is anxious to go ahead with the parade and management, I'm, I'm all for it. Let's do it. Yep. My, my only concern, my only concern in addition to COVID is, is the paving work. I've got the impression that it's possible that they could be here by the 4th of July in, in town. They won't be working on the 4th of July though, I doubt. No, but I mean, if, if Main Street is dug up with that beat, that might be a problem for I bet they had 4th of July parades before about 100 was paid. Okay. No, I'm also I'm going to be working. I'm going to be working to get some, a number of volunteers. I, I did all most of this myself and for the past 20, some ideas, but my physical condition wasn't helped by my car accident a month ago. And so I, anyway, I'm willing to do it, but I'm, I'm working to get volunteers. So anybody who wants to volunteer, feel free. But I, I'm, I'm planning on, I'm planning on, I'm seeing if I can get some volunteers, because it is, it's, there's a long to do list. Okay. But anyway, so should I just, I get the impression I should just go ahead. It's okay. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Thank you. I think that's the same thing. Yep. We're going to go 4th of July parade. It's official now. Maybe he wants to take it. Yep. All right. And the next item on the agenda is a letter of support for the Ridgeline Outdoor Collective. And I'm going to hand this on to you, since this concerns recreational trails. And I have a recreational business. I'm not going to get involved with that one. I can give you a little more info on that. Yeah. We applied for a first-of-grant. We did not get that letter for you guys to submit it earlier. A few months ago. So this is another account of another state grant, recreation trail program grant for existing trails. The same, same thing. But it's like, you don't see, keep trying. All right. So we move to sign this letter of support for Ridgeline. I second that. All in favor. All right. All right. And the letter that you needed to do here, was it the same thing? It's the same one. Yeah, it's the same as what I read before. You could take the copy, would you? I just brought a copy of it. It's the same one. Okay. So we sign. Yep. Both of us. Yep. Me and you. Excuse me. I couldn't see who was sticking in the back. Gentleman who's speaking in the back. Who was that? Angus McCusker. Okay. Thank you. Sorry. Thank you. All right. You want to take a copy away with you now? Sure. Yeah. Once you sign that one too, then you can take it, take it off of them. So the next item on the agenda is to adopt the municipal policies and codes to form MP1, which is basically we need to adopt these policies to be in compliance with our submission for the grant for repurposing of the high school. And probably. And probably other things too. Yeah, towards ARPA too. So it's basically it's consistent with the provisions of the Vermont Community Development Program and federal law. The town of Rochester has adopted the following policies and codes. We've got an equal employment opportunity policy. And that's modified on the state of Vermont state government EEO plan for a fiscal year 2017. And we have a fair housing policy, which is also required. And we have, I'm not going to go into all the details of it, but the bold ones use of excessive force policy. Don't want to have that. We also have a policy on the use of BCDP funds for federal lobbying. That's the bird anti-loving amendment. And new restrictions on lobbying submission for an application also represents the applicant certification of the statements in 43 CFR part 18, appendix A. You guys know that one. And then also we're adopting a code of ethics for administration of Vermont Community Development Program. And the Drug Free Workplace Act of 1988 and the Subrecipient Oversight Monitoring Policy. You can see why we overlooked some of these things in there. Yeah. And also there's the whistleblower protections. Want to have that for someone's dog is on the park. And then also a texting while driving policy. Texting while no texting while driving. Yeah. Unless you're whistleblowing. So I move to approve. Or actually this is to adopt. Adopt. Yes. Okay. In favor. Most of those policies are laws as well. Yes. Yeah. All right. So this one is probably not so simple as a review of the town of Rochester's master's financial policy and the grant accounting policy, which is included in the master's. Yeah. I think I can go ahead and just include it as one big. Yeah. So have you had a chance to look at this? I have not. I think that this is something that we'll probably table until we can actually see what we're talking about. Yeah. It's a good way to also let others know that we're working on it. Yeah. Yeah. And it does have to go under review with a couple other eyes. Right. So we should adopt it after that. Right. Yeah. Is there a time frame on this? As soon as possible. It's holding up. Receiving federal grants. All right. So we should get after that. All right. So yeah, I don't think we should just go ahead and prove it without looking at it. It's going to take some time. Yeah. All right. So what should we put a table date on this for the next meeting? I can just keep it under old business until we're ready to go through. We need a target because that's holding us up from getting that FEMA dispersion. Right. We should attend to that. We should move. Ginger will have to look at it, correct? And Nathan. Yeah. And Nathan too. And there's a couple of missing pieces in there, right? So I can collect everything and just send it out to them tomorrow for, and then you guys can. Yeah, that would be good. If you get it to them so we, then we can. Two policy, one policy I'll have included. I can do that up. But two of them are with the trustees of the public funds and investment. There's two investment policies that they want to have a meeting and they want to just review it before they submit it. So does this have anything to do with our capital plan too? Was that part of that? I did speak with Greg White about getting into the capital plan at some point. There's just, that's on the agenda. Oh, it is. I didn't even know what else. So I'll send you guys a rough draft tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Thanks. That sounds good. Next item. I think Barb Dahart has something to say along those lines. Sorry. Yep. Yeah, I was scheduled a meeting with the trustees or tentatively scheduled it in May to go over those policies just so you know early May. Okay. The other question they had is on that financial plan, can you also send that out to some of us? Maybe the budget and finance might be interested in it. Yep. As well as myself being part of both. Yep. Yep. We'll get it to you. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Talking about finding money, the delinquent dog licenses. How do I, this is a new one. I haven't seen this come across our desk in terms of how, so you've sent letters out to these folks. So in December, I sent out renewals for everybody. Yeah. And a good majority of them have come back. There's a list there of, I guess I just need to know the steps. What you'd like me to do?  The dog catcher. Catcher after them or what steps you want me to take? Last year, I really struggled with, like I sent out seven letters to numerous people and they never once responded.  So it's kind of a struggle and I'm trying to be a little more serious about it this year and take care of that because it's money that the town. What's the expense of a certified letter? $2 or something. About that, yeah. Would that be something that we should do? Send certified so that you know they get it. Might pay a little more attention. Perhaps we should consider putting them on the delinquent taxpayer page and I can report. Well, that's another consideration. Or you put them on the Doug Poofeg. It's a great idea. You don't get a free bag if you're not licensed. Yeah. And they're registered their dog. Okay, so you just want me to send out like one nice friendly reminder this week. Yeah. And then you know they can get the list. Is there a fine or anything involved here? We can find them up to $500 if they don't license the dog. So why don't you send them a copy of that too? Okay, I've done that in the past. And then when they get it in two and what about, and then we have Jeff go at it. Yeah.  Right. And I checked, you know, if I see a 16 year old dog hanging out, that hasn't been licensed. I sort of just take them off the list. Yeah. But if you have a two year old and you're still living here. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. We could, I suppose it wouldn't hurt to maybe make a couple of phone calls too. Yep. Let's just say, Hey. All right. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. You got it. All right. So we've touched on this. A few spots already, but starting the discussions about. What to do with the ARPA. ARPA funding. And as I mentioned earlier, we're. Our hope is to have it be spent in a ways that will affect. The broader population as much as possible, not just that. Pick a project that's. You couldn't fund and then do it just to. Anyway, we have Frank, do you want to. Frank's been working on a list of some. Potential. Dots. And we're, we'd like to have a, probably a just a special town meeting at some time, just to gather more input from. From you all. Bring up skate space was a great, great step. You know, when the dogs. Do you want to just. Sure. We started out with the. Money is that we need to spend or we already have spent. We're just waiting for. Things to be right. There's an air compressor for the fire department, which was a. 15,000 $750. That we haven't paid for yet, but we are in the process of doing that as soon as. That gets. Straightened out. And plus. This owl. Was a. An addition that we put on there for zoom meetings. There's also going to be. Some money that we're going to owe on the office generator here because the. Bids were all higher than what. The grant. Allowed us to. Spend. And then we have. Some requests. Having the paving come through the summer. We need to meet with the paver people from the state to figure out. What they're going to do and what we need to do. To try to fix up some of the sidewalk issues.  And in the. The sidewalk in front of the. Credit union places like that. We need to. In order in front of park house. And even in front of the library and those places. We also have this. Town office wall that we've been beaten up. For four or five years, I guess now. And we can't seem to find funding for it. So that's something that I think we need to. Do and get done. And. The town office here. Has an underground fuel tank that's. 50 years old. Or I would say anyway. And I would like to see that taken care of. I've. Looked at some pricing for that. I talked to CV oil about it. So there is a, a number. We might be able to put together there. Also the EV charging station down here. They're really. Wanting to do that this summer. And that's going to be located down. In the parking lot on the right. Going north. Cross from the fire station. And we will have some necessary things that we'll have to do as a town in order to see that through. There'll be some tree removal there. I'd also like to encompass that with some. Of the tree removal we need to do on the park. And also put the stump removal on the park on that too. And there is another tree down there. And we'll have some. Stump removal on the park on that too. And there is another tree down by the firehouse, a big one that needs to go. That's dead. And the fire department, when they get their new truck, if they don't have enough money to set their truck up, I think there's probably ARPA funds that we can use there. And the things that were mentioned today, the, the Cooper stations in the. Skate space, possibly. Using that for at least the engineering costs to figure out where we can go from there. And other things. There's always more paving to be done the town office here, the cemetery hasn't been done in. In my lifetime. It would be nice to put some new black top on that first part up there. And there's a couple of cross drains on the Bethel mountain road that we haven't been able to acquire funding for. And I'm thinking that maybe that's a good use too. And if anybody out there that has projects that are worthy of, you know, helping the town in that in the long range forecast. So I think that's a good idea. They should bring them forward. I also have. Put the library on there for their outside walls that we need to really look at that as addressing some of that. And we may be able to use some of this ARPA money for those kinds of things. So I encourage anybody that if they have something that they should bring it forward and. We can put it on the list and then we'll have to sort through that. As a. So, Pat, you've been working on. Larry on the. Evolving requirements about what can and can't be used for ARPA money. And that's relaxed quite a bit, but it is what's, what's the thing that Frank mentioned would, would be fine. They, they lifted almost all the requirements of it.  You can do a lot of different things that you can do, but we are looking to do infrastructure. Things that will last for the town. And everything there would fit into it. We can, you know, there's, there's preservation, the history, historical pres, preservation is a category that's in there too. So if there was somebody that had something that. They thought was historically significant to the town. We would be all ears for that. But this money is going to go fast. We're not getting 3 million here, which is 300,000. So at the way that prices are going unfortunate, we were gifted the money, but we're going to be paying probably 20 to 30% more for every one of these projects because of the way the economy is going nowadays. So, but we have until 2026 to spend the money. Maybe things will start inflation will start coming down and maybe procrastination might help us get more bang for our buck. We're all ears at this point. And we're also going to be looking at trying to piggyback this money on to the other grants that would help in coming in that way too. I'm not sure we're going to be able to do that, but we're going to try. That's what the, the, the, the government is saying that we should wait to see what other buckets of money can be coming towards us so that we wouldn't be spending that money when we could have got funding from another source. So they, they're actually promoting procrastination, but it is time to probably get some type of plan in place. Is there a timeline that is tagged to spending? You have a certain time like 2026 is when it, but you can only spend X amount this year. Next year or the following year. I don't think so. I don't think so. There's no like level of. No, but there's nothing to consider is that every, every, every town in the United States is getting that. So the, the going out the beds and finding contractors. They're all going to be pretty busy if every town is looking for paving. So maybe sooner rather than later we're, we're juggling that back and forth. I don't know if we're going to be able to do that. I don't think that money can be spent, isn't it by 2024, but the projects have to be completed by 2026. Right. And we don't have the full funds yet. No, no, no. We have a balance of 160 to 76 right now. And like I said, there's like 18,000. That's already spoken for. So in the rest of them, like we don't know what the paving is going to look like. I think that when they come through and pay the village, we kind of want to. Make that seamless as possible. So it at least it enhances the, the downtown area. And not have to wait a year or two to. Catch up on that. I'm trying to look at that. I do meet with the. I'm going to go through the state. On the 21st Terry, if you could be there with me, he'll have questions for you as far as what you want to do with the, all the shutoffs and all that. That would be good. I'll give you the money. Yeah, I will. So that is a 21st. That's a Thursday at noon that I have to meet with him. So. I'm just going to give you guys a heads up. We can try to figure out what kind of money that's going to cost the community there. I'm going to get a second installment on that money. In August. Yep. We had this small part in August. And the bigger part comes in September. What's the small part in the big part? You know, that's the county money, right? Yep. The small parts, the county money. I don't know. Yeah. Okay. That's one. That's something we can get later. All right. So. So yeah, anyone. We're open to, you know, thoughts and suggestions from the townspeople about, you know, if there's something. Something else I think that would be. We're thinking about. Robert. Can you post that list as it's on the website? On the website. I mean, even, even just this candidate. Yeah. Yeah, we probably can. Yeah. I don't see why not. I mean, I've tried to think of things that would be beneficial for the taxpayer. In the long term is what I'm looking at. Or what I looked at when I did this, but. I think that benefits us all and saves us money in the long run. Again, responding. Talk about more when we get into the proposal. I don't know if it's worth putting in something, even if it's symbolic. As piggybacking grant application. Frankly, just saying. Some component of the. For the high school. Project. If that's a go. We can certainly add it to the list of it. I. I would look at it more. I think only because of. The uncertainty of what that is project. Could be or will be or what it may not be. I wouldn't put it on a. On a priority, but. I think it should go on the list. Yep. You're going to talk about. What that would be leveraging. Capital plan committee and planning. So we had. We had developed a capital plan. It's right here. And it's still in that book. I think it should go on the list. You're going to talk more about that in a minute. What that would be leveraging. Capital plan committee and planning. It's right here. It's still in that book. And it seems like the. Every time we go. Attacking the budget that. That book gets shoved farther and farther into the corner. So I think it's. The desire out there to revisit that and. I think it's. One of the policies that we must have a capital plan. So who's on the committee do that? I guess we are by default, right? We are by default. We will be working with the budget finance committee as well. There's a bunch of us on that. I had a conversation with Greg white. The other day. I had a conversation with the budget finance committee. I was all willing to get involved. So. I don't mind spearhead. You know, I'll sit down with. Anybody Nancy, you want to get involved too. And Barb. That would be fine. I don't have a problem with that. So. You're busy. Yeah. I'm retired too. So it's all right. It's all right. I'm going to give me something to do some days. Some days I want to run an odd. You want me to scan that to you and Nancy and Barb. So you guys have it for review. Yeah, I've got it. I've got a copy right here anyway. And I've looked through it. Already made some changes on it. I think a lot of it. They, they recommend a lot of things that. We're not presently doing. We're not. We're not. We're not. We're not. We're not as rising like they are. We may have to look at doing some of those things. I don't. After reading it, I don't see how we could ever. Do what they want us to do. I mean, it's just a dollar figure would be astronomical for the community to support. I just don't see that happening. So I think some major revision is going to be necessary. To address that. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. A lot of the different plans. Have already come to like, you know, just the different culverts that were replaced. And it kind of gives maybe the highway. A priority list based on the. You know, Right. And some of them we couldn't do it all. Because of. Of not being able to get right away. So there's three of them in there that were. We can't do them because we can't get the right away. So that's an issue that we'll just have to address. If something happens, I guess. All right. Thanks for taking that on Frank. No problem. So speaking of taking things on and we've got. The. The appointments as a re. Reorganizing after the. Elections. So the. We want to. We want to do that and you want to get. Joan and Terry and the library done. Over the agenda a little bit. Some of those appointments are going to be. I don't think we can do all of it right away, but. Sure. Joan, you've been hanging out here. You want to. Give us some updates. I'll run through just the stuff I've been working on. Since the last meeting. Stand by generator is now that project is under contract and ready to go whenever everything is lined up. The V trans annual financial plan has been submitted. And the application for the structures grant. Which would be for construction of a new culvert on town line road. And the city of Calbrook. It's going to be submitted this week to be trans. And talking to cricket. We both agreed that the best approach in terms of timing for that would be to wait to make sure we get the grant this year rather than, you know, going out to bid on speculation. And then just situation with inflation and. Contractors not always looking to bid on projects because they're trying to make sure that we would put this out to bid in early 2023. And we'll give us enough time to be able to do that. The next calendar year. And I think we have a pretty good chance of getting this because they did already fund the design work for that culvert replacement. The stormwater project of the town garage is ready to go. It's under contract with white river partnership. It's going to be a contractor is Kingsbury construction. It's based in Middlebury. And they have a start date. I don't have an exact date, but it's going to be some time in July. And Cougar was okay with that. We checked them before we locked that in. Big news, of course, is the FEMA reimbursement. Is really on a fast track now from the state. We are just looking at getting federal care. The state still has its 25% to put in. But we'll be getting $101,915 for the completed road projects. That's all the work that was done up through the end of December 2019. And then we're getting 75% of 75% for the incomplete roads, which is all the work that was done in 2020 and 2021. And we put in doing you sign that letter for a drawdown, which is in anticipation of the feds approving it and sending the money to the state for disbursement. So that's another $88,574,000. So the total that we're looking to receive some time in the near future is $270,005. Okay. You're on mute Barb. Is that money also part of the money that's going to be held up before we get these other programs policies in place? It may. If it's all coming through Sam. Excuse me. I feel like it's probably going to yes. It's going to be a retroactive situation that isn't it. Since that money and improved quite a while ago. Just recently approved. Right. So. How to say. Jones on you. Sorry, I forgot. I don't, I think we're up there. Okay. Okay. Good. I would hope. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.  It sounded like, is that, is that what you had? Or do you have more? No, that's it. I have questions. A couple of questions, John. I saw a press release from the agency of transportation seeking applications for bicycle and pedestrian infrastructure improvements. They've got $3.8 million. That's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. The whole pedestrian industry. It's pedestrian sidewalks. Is that something that you laid eyes on? Or do you want me to forward this to you? Yeah, I've seen it. Thanks. That's an annual thing. Good. Comes out every year. Looks like they got a lot of funding this year. It's something that we definitely want to look into. But. We're not. We're not sure what the scope is that we want to do. And I think we need some engineering work. And some input. Well, from the select board, but. Possibly. We do have, we do have the, um, the engineering study that was done. For the sidewalk. No, I know. Yeah. Which needs some editing. It definitely is not the, the take it to the. The guy and say, do this, but it. Yeah. But the fact that we have it in hand, and then that could be used to, um, um, You know, to modify and to work from might be, um, I didn't know to what extent that would satisfy the requirements for, um, The planning study. It just is a little, um, Insane the extent to which money gets sucked up by studies. I'd hate to, to start, um, from scratch for a sidewalk study that we already, you know, have gone through that and, and, but think we could about five years ago. Yeah. More than. Yeah. It's even longer than that. Yeah. Anyway, it seems like they do have a lot of money right now. And it, and it, um, It probably wouldn't, wouldn't hurt to. Could possibly reallocate some art for money, but we want to look into it before we make that decision. So. Right. Yeah. We have a study, but we need engineering done. Cause we still have those stormwater issues and look, some of those locations, um, That need to be incorporated. Whatever we do on the sidewalks. And you have a meeting with Chris bump scheduled. No, I don't. The annual meeting. Yes. I don't know why they usually protect us when they're ready to do it. They didn't. Didn't do it at all last year. And I haven't. This year. I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon. Okay. Keep us posted. Yeah. I will. I did talk with Chris. Joan a couple of days ago and he ran by what he thought he was going to do in the village and, but he said it was going to be a ways out there. But he, he wasn't sure if they would meet the timeline that they've established and they weren't offering up anything. So the, the village construction that happens. With the paving project is it could be delayed until in, into August. But they weren't sure he wasn't sure. He was hoping to be out of here before then, but we can meet with him at some point. We can meet with him at some point. When he's a little more. Firm on his schedule. I think he's waiting to see how the covert replacements on 100 are going and. He doesn't know quite how that's going to work. So. There'll be more information on that down the road. All right. Is that it, John? Yes. Tony, you're here on any news from the library. Well, we have a trustees meeting tomorrow afternoon at five 30. At the library. And Jeanette has a lot of programs going on in the next couple of months. They actually longer than that. So best way to find out about those and look at posters around town and read the herald. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Terry got any updates on the utility world. We're trying to find the new. Rubber seals up for. Those and banks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've been. So yeah, the voice and came about flushed one hydrant or just one, or did you flush two? No, we only flush one. But it's, um, you flushed it for a little while. Yeah. But it was probably need to exercise. Yeah. Yeah. It cools off some. You know, I did it one year too early and the state had to come out and solve the road. Solve the road, yeah, not good. You see. So we'll probably decide we have a meeting tomorrow night. Yeah. Jeff, get part, is he in the house? He's on Zoom. Yep. On meeting. Yep, I'm here. Good evening all. Guess the few things to report on the 20th of April, week from Wednesday. Megan Chambers with Efficiency Vermont is going to come down for a walkthrough of buildings of town buildings. We've done walkthroughs with energy, efficiency investments incorporated and others, but we have not been able to get Efficiency Vermont down here due to COVID issues. So we've had it scheduled twice and should be able to go through with it. I'd be happy if a member of the board would like to participate in that. We're planning on looking at the town clerk's office at 930, look at the school building, look at the library. And also, Jeanette will not be available that week. She is on vacation. So I'm hoping a library trustee would be available for reviewing the building with efficiency. Yeah, I've been involved with the other ones. You've seen these buildings quite a few times. Yeah, I've been through a little. Yeah, Jeff, I'll go with you on that. Great, great. And you've got keys, so that makes a lot of sense. I can locate keys. Right. The other thing too, I've been on some state webinars about ARPA money and there are some things that ARPA can do with respect to energy efficiency. Of course, you're talking about capital needs and the energy efficiency investments incorporated walk through and rough assessment of our needs. I would offer for that list as well. I think we probably have to spend money first to do engineering analysis, what work energy efficiency Inc. did is really a rough view of things. So that's it, just more to come. Maybe efficiency Vermont will have, because they're not so much a for profit operation. They might have some insight into that, how we could move forward without having to get too excited. And the town has gotten extra support and efficiency Vermont is in with the Vermont Council on Rural Development and Green Mountain Power and the whole Rochester area climate initiative and all that. And they really are aware of some of the money is actually coming from more efficiency improvements. So we definitely need them to do this walkthrough, even if we know much of what they're going to say about the building. All right, good. That's on the 20th. On the 20th, 9.30 at the town clerk's office. Okay. Thank you, Jeff. Let's jump back into the rest of the previous schedule. Vic, you've been waiting very patiently. And I think Catherine's on Zoom here to, you have information to share about a proposed grant application for the high school renovation. Yes. So we're here to ask for select word approval for the town to be the applicant for a $2.5 million grant application to Senator Sanders office. And this would provide capital improvements to the high school building, part of the overall repurposing project. And just by way of background. So there's two main dilemmas that have to be solved for this project to be feasible. You have to get enough paying tenants in the building to pay for the ongoing operation. And you have to get enough capital to do the several million dollars worth of work that need to be done to make the building intact and last a long time. It's sort of a chicken rate, but in order to get tenants, you need to have the capital committed or underway in order to get the capital funds from grant sources. You got to have at least prospective conditional tenants who are willing to say, I'm willing to come in as long as we get this building fixed up. We're working on both of those simultaneously. So tonight we're gonna talk a bit about the capital component. Talk about the other two if you like. On the capital side, we've worked with our consulting architect have identified what needs to be done to get people in the building, to get all of the code requirements for life safety code fixed and to provide a building envelope that is going to really reduce the energy load in the building and get on a path towards carbon-free energy generation at that site. That's something that the architect has a special expertise in. The cost of doing that based primarily on the Black River study is about $1.8 million in hard construction costs. Then there's about 25% on top of that were general conditions and soft costs. And then inflation has been just really bad. So they estimate 35% from 2019 to now. So all of that adds up to $3.1 million to do this work. And I can go into the specifics of what the work is if you wanna talk about that. But anyway, so $3.1 million of work is what we think it's gonna take to get the building condition to attract paying tenants to come into the building. So Catherine was contacted by Senator Sanders' office staff to say, we've heard about this project. We really like it. We think you should apply for this grant money. And so we're working on the application. There is a deadline of April 22nd for the first phase of the application that needs to be in, but the town would really be the applicant it's not a new community committee. The town would need to be the applicant. And of course, one of the dilemmas is the town doesn't own the building. So is it would the town be allowed to be the applicant if it's- We think so. This is evolving in real time. And we don't think it makes sense for the school board to be the applicant because they don't want the building. And so the town seemed like the likely candidate because the town would be the likely next owner if the town decides to go there. So this is all conditional. So we would be seeking this grant for the town to be seeking the grant on the condition that for the future date, the town decides to acquire the building. The town decides not to acquire the building then it's moved and there's no point. So providing that it's allowable for the town to be the applicant before it owns the building, everything is kind of, it would, basically it would, well, I guess we'd see we don't know exactly what the stipulations would be, but it would be, that would be information when the town comes to decide about what to do with this building. That is that if all of a sudden this building is coming with a pledge of funds to do it. So we'd be spending a dollar to get $2.5 million. $2.5 million, well, you're applying for $2.5 million. We don't get the balance and so on. And so, you know, so we're gonna be looking at the additional grant giving sources. So for example, we're not from opportunity development implementation grant.  And so that would be one source we would look to. And if we could get even a symbolic amount of funding from our Harper funds that would show good faith from the community, that's why I mentioned that earlier. I know there's a lot of needs to be met with those funds, but it might make an important statement even if it's just a symbolic amount. So that's why I'm here and happy to take questions or any other additional information anybody wants. When we got the grant for the feasibility study, we obtained a letter from the supervisory union giving their blessing for us to obtain those, that grant. So I'm going to assume that you would be following the same avenue with this grant is that the supervisory union owns the building would then give us their blessing. I'm sure we'll be able to get a letter of support. I believe that's what you mean. Yeah, I mean, their goal is to unload the building. Right, yeah. And they're very, we've talked about it. It's more than once they are really, not just getting rid of the building, but are very much in support of the aims of the repurposing. Good, good. Yes, some healing could go on there. So it's, I guess the real question is, is that would that work with the grant to have it be a, you know, a tentative this, you know, on the town doesn't own the building. This is all speculative. It would be a speculative, you know, application. And then the town could still decide that they don't want to get into it. And then we would just, you know, not accept the grant. Was that, was that what it would be? That would be the consequence, I believe. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the decondition on the town. Okay. We wouldn't invite Bernie to the parade anymore. I'm not afraid Bernie. I guess what I was getting at is that I don't think that we would want this to be perceived as the town taking a step towards making the decision to go forward with this purchase without having brought it to the voters. But the whole reason we've been taking so long to make this decision and supported the grant for the feasibility study was to gather as much information that we could to give the town. Right. And this would be an interesting piece of information to give the town that there's, you know, it's not. If we didn't explore the avenue, we would be cheating ourselves out of that. And then we're not doing our job. I mean, I'm not in support of it so much, but I think we have to look at it, you know? I don't support it, but I think we have to look at it. No, we can't go before the voters and ask them to make a decision without us doing our due diligence. Yeah, right. I agree with that. So, so what I asked before is a vote to enable the town to apply for the grant. Yeah, I'd make that motion. I can second that. Yeah. All in favor? All right. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for all the work you've done on this. It's an interesting evolution. It's a head scratcher. It is a head scratcher. It's a... To be honest with you. Yes. Yeah, but... I'm more concerned with the lasting ability of it than anything else and not being a burden to the taxpayer. That's my feeling on it. Yeah. So now for something completely different. We have the Able Waste Management is... Did they sell it or are they just renaming? They sold it. They sold it. It's now going to be North Star Rubbish Removal. And so I guess we're looking to move our contract from Able Waste over to North Star Removal. And as I understand, there's no change in the cost of town yet. So I'd move to continue on with North Star Rubbish Removal. And that contract expires July 1? Yeah. Yeah. So this is from now until July 1. I think that... As of May 1st. May 1st. May 1st. Yeah. So yeah, it would be good for now until May 1st before a new contract comes at us. No, this I think... That is the contract. This is... As of May 1st, North Star will be taking it over. So we're still with Able Waste until May 1st. And then is this a year contract with North Star? So it's the same. It's the same, yeah. It'll be the, well, the name change, but the contract will be... Stay the same. Yeah. Beginning 7-1-22 until 6-30-23. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're all set as far as what we did in the budget. Right, right, right. So I moved to approve that. I'll second that. All in favor? All right. Okay, that's last but not the least. I think this pen needs to go into the trash when they show up next time. North Able Waste. No, North Star. Oh, sorry. Not yet. So... All right. And we have the appointment. So... So... Who wants to be the road commissioner now? Doom Hendricks. Frank. You want me to do it? Yeah, I'll do it. I don't... Yeah, sure. Oh, my father used to do it. Yeah. Probably I can do it too. Yeah. So is that official? Yeah. Thank you, Frank. Yeah. Frank, you're busy. I know. Yeah. Too busy. That's all right. Teaching young. Yeah. So... Keep in creak. Water commissioners were by default. Or... With them... Did you... Did you miss the beginning? Beginning? Well, the assistant clerk is... The... The first two are expired in 2023. Oh, the time report says 2022. Right. Yes. And this is... Assistant clerk, Christian Bell. And... The clerk was elected. Yeah, they're... Right. So she's gonna... And she appoints them. Yeah. And the administrative assistant is just a hired... Young. Yeah. Yeah, thank you for doing that. I guess we're still the... By default, the water commissioners and the sewer commissioners is the select board. I'll... Continue on as the on-site waste water officer. But thanks to Terry carrying the load. But I'm here to back you up when you need something. Yeah. Carrying the poop? Yeah. Our pooper-scooper. Yeah. Well, we're both on that list here. So we got us for that. Frank, we have contract for the county sheriff department. I would move to appoint Dylan Dudley as constable. That's good. Are we seconding that? Is that what we're doing? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, he seems to enjoy it by his badge. Yeah, he does like it. Dylan, favor? Aye. Okay. And Daniel still... He's not around, is he? He's in Boston. He's in Boston, so... So we'll be looking for a second constable. Yeah. Because he's graduated working. Yeah, he's not around. Okay. Good afternoon. All right, on the planning board and board of adjustment, there's two spots opening up. There's David Curtis and Steve Cochie. He was appointed to fulfill... Who left? What's it? Becky? Becky? Or there's John. No, I think it was Becky. So I would move to... I think they both are still willing to be on it. Yeah, they're not here to oppose it. No, so I'd move to appoint David Curtis and Steve and Cochie as the planning board. Second that. On favor. Yeah, all right. Okay. And they go to 26. No, go to 26. Who was the other person besides David? I'm sorry, Stephen Who? Stephen Cochie, C-O-C-C-I. Thank you. Thank you. Who's the other person? Lewis. Okay. And then, sir, you're going to do the zoning administrator. I'll continue to do the zoning administrator, sure. How long is that? Is that just a year? That's yearly, I think. Yeah. Do we have to vote it? Yeah. Well, I'm not going to nominate myself. I nominate doing the zoning administrator. I'll second that. All in favor. All right. Okay. Fire Chief is elected by the fire department as it's the first and second. And the... Fire Warden. The Fire Warden is expiring in June. Just dates. So will we get something for that? Like to be notified? Right, you'll get something then. Okay. Okay. I'm sure, right? Because it's this year that it expires. I'll ask for that. Kristen, remind me. All right, so here's the big question is Emergency Management Director, Vic. You see, he vacated. He's not got it. He knew it was coming. He knew it was coming. He was out of here. I did approach the lady in fact. Did you decide? Seek with Vic and getting an understanding of what that even means. So no, I haven't made a decision. Okay. You're going to meet up again. Thinking about it. Okay. So thank you. Put that on hold now. Thank you. That plan he had that Vic sent around for the Emergency Management. Good. Stopbridge fire chief of not Brian. Anyone they brown back in. Oh, I didn't know that. I sent him a couple of changes. Where does that go? Maybe that's why I got an email. If you read down it, I forgot what pages. That was that one that you and I were trying to print and we couldn't. We could view it on his phone, but we don't have the permission to print it to look at it. It's a big long one. That's a yearly thing that right. We go through updated room every year. So will you send updates too? That's something that takes care of that. Is it two rivers? I don't know if that's a state. That's a state. Yeah, something to state. Yeah, all right. Well, we know where Vic left. Yeah, and he's willing to help. He's willing to help us until next time. So, as alternate emergency management. Okay, second. Second that. All in favor. Bye. So is that a 23, too? I think that's a, yeah. Then the regional emergency management. What is that? That's that new one? That's the newest one. That's the newest one. So, Terry, you said you were the second of the regional management. But who was? Vic was. It's really the head one would be probably the. Head where we don't represent. Yeah, that would be the regional as well. Yeah, yeah. Okay, got that. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. All right, so then I would, why are you still willing to be the second? There, Terry? Yeah, I guess. Yeah, well, I'll nominate Terry. All in favor. All right. But I think Vic is willing to stay on as a White River Valley ambulance representative. So I'd nominate him for that. I second. All in favor. All right. Okay. And the alternate for the. Werva is Jim Bowen. And I nominate him for that. I second. All in favor. All right. All right. And Tree Warden. Which is kind of a symbolic position now, but we still have it. It was Norm Smith that's been doing that. It's actually not symbolic anymore. No, it isn't. There are some very specific regulations that go along with it. Yeah, any tree we have to remove from the park needs his approval. Needs his approval? Yeah. So we'll have to see him for the dead news. You might want to talk to him for your point. Yeah, I think we might want to talk to him. Yeah. Well, I'm probably not going to take it. Yeah. So we'll hold off on that one. Two rivers, transportation, planning representative, Annie Mackay is respectfully declined to do that. She doesn't want to do that anymore. So transportation, planning representative. Two rivers, transportation, planning representative. You'd be good at that. I could do that. Yeah. Talk to Annie about it. No, I'm going to nominate Pat. I'll definitely second that. I'm sorry, Pat. Hey, you're doing everything else, right? Yeah. And with the transportation advisory committee. I nominate June Hendricks. I'm not sure what I ever did on that. I'll second that. All in favor? Aye. Yeah, that's done. Energy representative, I nominate Jeff Getpart. He's doing a great job. Yeah, I'd second that. All right. All in favor? Aye. And his alternate is you, Frank. Yeah. You do that. I'd nominate you to do that again. I second that. All in favor? Aye. I don't know if I can vote myself. And then the energy coordinator was Jeff Getpart. I second that. All in favor? Aye. He's not getting out of that one. And then the tri-town energy committee. As it comes and goes, I nominate Jeff Getpart. I second that. Oh, he's unmuting. Oh, he's unmuting.  Quick. Is there still a tri-town energy committee, Jeff? There really isn't. I have never been able. After the first meeting. Over a year ago, I have not been able to get a collaborator from Pittsburgh or Hancock. Yeah. All right. So we're going to eliminate that position. Okay. All right. There is another. Person that has approached. Me the other day. Okay. No, no, no. Jennifer McKinnon is looking to. Coordinating volunteers in the community. To assist elders in home. Jaws. Like, you know, if they need wood stack or lawn. Right. Or something like that. So she would like. Some sort of. that to make up a group of volunteers that would go around and help elders in the community. Since we're going to be appointing three other positions, why don't we put that on our next agenda when we do more appointments? So that way we can create the title, put a definition to it. Right, she's willing to come in and talk about it. She had a conversation, we can get in touch with her and she can come to our next meeting to do that. But that's what she'd like to do just to help people, elders with home chores kind of thing. No transportation or anything, just home chores. Can I say something about that? Sure, go ahead. Because I work for the Central Vermont Council on Aging, we have a very well-established department for volunteers which does the background checks. And if you're going to be getting volunteers to do home chores, you do have to consider about background checks. And I'm just suggesting that Jan might work with the head of our department since this territory, the five-down territory is served by council on aging that that may be a partnership that would benefit what Jan wants to do. Would you be willing to talk to her, Catherine? Of course. That would be good if you could explain that to her and maybe she would take it on herself to look at it further and could give us more information on it. Of course, I'll talk to Jan. All right, thank you. All right. So Marvin Harvey's been on the Bethel Royalton Solid Waste Advisory Committee for a while. I'm thinking that maybe he's starting to spend less and less time around here. I'm thinking maybe we fill that with someone else. I see that Jim Bowen's the recycling coordinator, which is kind of close to that. Right, and right now the Bethel Royalton Solid Waste is needs some advice. Not so solid. So, yeah.  That's him texting us now, so I know. Thank you, Jim, if you're out there. All in favor. All right. And then for the recycling coordinator, I nominate Jim Bowen again. I second that. All in favor. All right. All right. Okay. And the Park Committee. Martha, are you still willing? I have been the only person on the Park Committee for years and it would be really nice to have some company. Basically, basically, you know, I just remind people that they're supposed to ask permission to have an event on the park from you and that kind of stuff. And I used to be in charge of decorating the bandstand at Christmas and that kind of stuff. Now I physically can't do that anymore, but I was able to get some people, volunteers were kind enough to volunteer to do that this year. So hopefully that'll continue. I mean, I can stay on it, but I can't physically do some of the work. Right. Well, I would like to have you stay on and just to, just to, you know, you can kind of look out the window and. Yeah. Well, yeah, I do have a bird's eye view of the park. So yeah. So you can keep us a praise of what's going on. So I'd, I'd nominate Martha Slater for the Park Committee. I second that. One favor. Thank you, Martha. Okay. So we've got the recreation committee. Norm is still here. You're still into it. And I think Dean's still into it because he was here. Yeah. And Martha, you were on there. And Carrie McDonald, Joe Shankman, and Walt Pruchma is with this focus on tennis. We still want Walter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone's been very active with that too. Leave his name on it. Leave his name on it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I'd move to a point. I second. Okay. Then we are animal control officer has been Jeff Brown. I nominate Jeff Brown. Yeah. I second the motion. All right. Okay. Thank you. And. I second the motion. All right. Any thanks to Tim. I have been seeing that. Try County transit around. I'm doing the job. Budget and finance committee. Currently. The finance committee currently. We get the. On my list, that's farther down. Okay. You guys are going from the book. We go by the book. We got in the budget and finance committee who had. Lois bond and Robert. I'm still willing to Robert be on there. Yep. Nancy. We need you on there. If you're willing. Yep. And barb to heart. I think you're still into it. Right. And Greg white. And the select board members by default. I'd move to approve or appoint all those. I second. All in favor. Thank you. For ourselves. Yeah, we did. I guess we have. We'll go for you. Okay. Norm Christensen has been. Our elf of the website administration. And are you willing to continue on with that? Thank you. Thank you. I moved to a point. Norm. I second. I'm favor. Okay. And. I'll move to a point. I second. All in favor. Are you changing their name? They are changing their name. Well, are they? Are they changing us? It's going to look confusing. I'm not sure if they're changing their name or if they're just. Anyway. John will tell us. Okay. Now. E 911 maintenance Angus. Are you willing to continue on with that? Thank you. I moved to point Angus McCusker. I second. All in favor. All right. And green up day coordinator has been. And since he just done, we signed the application for green up day. I have presumed he's still willing to do that. So I did a point. Move to a point. Nick. I second. All right. And then we've got. Fish and newspaper. Yeah. Our official newspaper, Martha. Is the Herald still willing? For sure. For sure. Okay. I'm going to. Appoint the Herald of Randolph as the official. Your park committee would like to remain employed, et cetera. Thank you. All right. I second. All in favor. Okay. We've just got a couple of vacancies, right? Yeah. Yeah. We can revisit those. And once. Yeah. Does anybody else got anything they want to speak about? Robert. You're the. At some point. In the last couple of years. There's a dead end. Sign at the end of Park Road. And they put the new power pole right in front. It would be nice. Sometime the town group that moved that sign. In front of the power pole. So. People can actually see it because we get. People driving up there. Trying to find a short. Yeah. I'll. I'll speak to John about it. Yeah. What was the name of the street? Park row. Okay. Thank you. Another. So he put up. He put the railroad ties along route 100 by the new park down there to keep people from driving in there and tearing it up as good. And. But the parking along the north side of the. Park. Right. Parking on. You can't have a parking space with 75 feet of firehouse. State law. Really? They didn't know that when we did the park. It was there. But they didn't realize it. So. You cannot. So does that. Part of the park. Pain in the buck. Because. They stick out there for the tanker. we got the fire. So it's to come in the park and ride and in a round back. That's just got to be 75 feet away from the door from the doors of the firehouse firehouse. So that means you can't park out back either then. The clouds are all out there anyway. Can I ask a question? Yeah. Yeah. Terry, you've got that pancake breakfast coming up this on Easter Sunday. Is it possible for someone like me who needs to use a walker to park near the firehouse to go in there or where would I have to park?  The door service Martha. Okay. Well, thank you. I'm not I'm not trying to get special treatment. I just wanted to know if everybody everybody gets good. Thank you very much. Charlie wearing the bunny suit. I thought Terry was wearing the bunny suit. So I didn't know if we'll get any pushback from the state for the money we got for the new park because of that. They should have known that.  And now we have the parking right across the state statue right there. Yeah. I brought it in. Yeah. Can I have a parking area within 75 feet of firehouse? I did meet with the Green Mount Power on the parking ride. They really are excited about the EV chargers going there. Yeah. So we looked at it. I'm not sure how much space they'll have to take up. But it's a good, it's a good site that they put a stake in. Did you see that? Is that where they're coming on from? Well, what they're going to do is they're going to put a mid span pole in there so they can put the bank of transformers on there. And then if they do the resiliency zone, they'll be able to use that pole that they're putting in as the switch point and move the bank of transformers to where the stepdowns are closer to Charlie. But they wouldn't be coming off that pole to underground from there. No, what they're going to do is they're going to run an overhead secondary system to the pole where the stepdowns are, which is the next one south there. And then they're going to go underground to there so that when, if the resiliency zone happens, they can take that three phase bank of stepdowns out and put the three phase bank of transformers on that pole and they can put their switch gear on the mid span pole so they can disconnect from the line coming out of the sub. So then the village will be on its own. So that's, or at least that's how I understand it at this point. Because coming off in there, that cross one line, which I'd rather not have a build. And they're looking at servicing the firehouse in the town garage and your red building and the house out of your neighbor's house, their bud's house from Rochester Main Street and taking that transformer that's on the subline coming up because they'd like to have the firehouse in the town garage in the resiliency zone. But it'll still leave your septic zone. Yeah, like I said, we don't really need it. Right. I talk to the pumps or even the well pump on resiliency film because the reservoir would take care of itself for at least four days. I let them know that Greenmount Power, Sarah there, the lady that's doing a lot of the work. So I did have conversation with her about that. And I sent her an email with what you told me. Right, because we've got a generator that can run all the stuff that we can. And once a day, you can get by. So we're trying to set it up so that it's a win-win for them and a win-win for us. And it's a way to do it that'll work because they're going to need that extra space coming off. They can't just put it on the street pole out there because of all the connections that they have there and all the trans, they got transpositions on that pole. So the phasing works right going north and coming south. That's not what I mean. So yeah, we weren't sure. And I told them I didn't think so because the hydrants on the other side of the road and the other ones on the crosses right there about 45, just about where that driveway starts. It's just below that. Yeah, OK, heads across. And then. Right, actually, diagonals of Peabody, I mean, goes where Peabody comes in the road diagonals that way across 100 there. Yeah, that's what I saw on the other side again. Like I want I didn't want him to dig up the parking lot at all. I said, you know, don't do that. If you go to this pole with your underground, you you'll make it. It's a clean shot to where they need to put the chargers and, you know, it'll be space enough for them to park there and it'll be a good thing. And we when we look at the sidewalks, I want to make sure that there's a it's a wide area down through there anyway on that side of the road. Undefined. Yes, it's undefined. But, you know, I want to keep that as that area. I'm trying to look at it that way. So I think it'll work good. The only thing maybe the neighbor will have an issue. I don't know. I haven't addressed that within yet. Well, like I said, the when we looked into that for a firehouse at one time. That house only owns like six feet off the front corner to the north. And I think it's 10 or 11 off the back corner and the straight line back. So basically, they really don't own even that lower driveway. The half of their driveway. In your seventy five feet. No, no, we're not. We're talking about. Yeah, I'm talking about to you about parking within your seventy five feet. But, Rene. All the house, yeah, they're fine. OK, you can get seventy five feet over to find out if those chargers need a zoning permit. Well, we parked in there, right? I would. They would. It's a permanent structure. Yeah, so we'd have to be what, ten feet there. Isn't that theoretically? Yeah. OK, I think well, I think we have it. Yeah, yeah. Just wondering if it was a try. Can I ask a question? Yeah, yeah. About the paving, are you I didn't hear it mentioned, but it was a part of the that plan that we got a few years ago, the sidewalk that goes up from the minister's place up around the Bethel Mountain Road to Brook Street. Is that is that going to be incorporated into the sidewalk renewal? We don't know yet. Really, it's the focus was trying to deal with things that were going to be connected with the new paving of Route 100. So that was more seamless there. But it might be a phase two. Might be a phase two. Yeah, that right by the parsonage needs some attention.  Would the stormwater run off and everything? Yeah, there's a lot of other issues there that we have to address. Right. And that particular part of the sidewalk, I think, is asphalt. And it's it's not sustaining year after year. So that sidewalk is concrete down up into the parsonage. And then it goes asphalt. But there's a big part of it in front of the former Bursoe house and the Brick Schoolhouse that's really crumbling. The one that Terry put in in front of our house is held up really beautifully. So I just wondered, because it was part of that plan that that we got study the study a few years ago because it's part of the village center. And it's definitely a sidewalk that's used extensively by the folks who live up on, you know, Brook Street. So I just have to put that in there. Yeah. Did some of that concrete get plowed out and end up over on the little park by the culvert? I think some of the black dot might have been. No, it looks like concrete does. Yeah, I don't know. I haven't it. And I thought wasn't there a little concrete had coming in on the on the catch basin there? It's all I know the go across the road. Right. And isn't that isn't there a header on the side of that that might have got plowed in? I don't know. I haven't looked at it, Nancy. It's all just sitting there. Yeah, I'll look at it and see at the park. The other place that there's a problem with the sidewalk is the culvert that is next to the lawn on Huntington House. Oh, yeah. There's several pieces of marble and a few other kinds of things that are all upset. Plenty of stuff to do. Oh, yeah, more than enough. Just a road commission. Yeah. Hey, didn't say sidewalk commissioners. All right. Well, no one else has anything else to say. I'm sure you do. I second that. Well, in favor. Okay. Thank you all. Thanks a lot. Yeah. That's a lot.


For the Circuit Python Parsec today, I want to talk about pinout diagrams and names of pins. So what I have here, you can see I've got a Feather RP2040 that's busily blinking away. Turn on a little light there, you can see it a little better. And off to the side here, you can see this is the pinout diagram from the learn guide for this board. I'll zoom in even a little bit more, and what you can see here is on the left side of the board here, we have pins like A0, A1, A2, A3, and so on. So those are the board names, and they are what's silkscreened onto the board. When we're using Circuit Python very often, we will talk to the pins using those names. However, when you look at this pinout diagram, one of the really important things that you can also see next to these Circuit Python names is the actual chip names. That's the column in yellow here, and it exists on both sides. So pins like A0, A1, A2, A3 are actually, for the chip, GPIO 26, 27, 28, 29, you can see sometimes these aren't in an order, sometimes they're mixed around, sometimes their names have nothing to do with the Circuit Python name. You can, however, use either of those names in Circuit Python. So if you look at my code here right now, I am going to go ahead and uncomment this section right here and save that, and I'm going to go ahead and also go to that board. Second, okay, so what you can see here is that I am calling this variable LED pin by the name DigitalIO, DigitalInOut, BoardA3, and then I have a little LED and a resistor plugged into ground and BoardA3. If I want to use the microcontroller name instead, that is what we saw on this chart here, A3 uses GPIO 29. So I'm going to go ahead in my code and say LED pin equals DigitalIO, DigitalInOut, microcontroller.pin.gpio29, I'll hit save, and the same thing is happening. So really Circuit Python doesn't care, it's using the same pin here just being called by two different names. Now one interesting thing you can do is if you go into the board itself in the REPL and import board, you can ask for the names of the pins on the board simply by saying dir board, and there you can see A0, 1, 2, 3, boot, button, D1, D10, all of these names that are familiar from the silkscreen. If I import microcontroller, I can now do a similar thing. We're going to say dir microcontroller.pin, and now we're getting a list of the GPIO pin names that are the same as the chip names. Now one interesting thing about this is that these are very often the pin numbers that are used in Arduino. So if you're moving back and forth between Arduino and Circuit Python, sometimes you might find it helpful or useful to know the name of the chip pin rather than worrying about the silkscreen pin because it's going to be very likely the same in Arduino as in Circuit Python if you call it by this name. And so that is how you can use microcontroller pin names as well as board names in Circuit Python. And that's Circuit Python Parsec.