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He's sick So for you for the very first time in Nintendo Prime podcast history Eric Moore will not be joining us this week He is at home resting He told me if I really really really really really wanted him here He will come and I'm like what happened. I'm like I feel like a truck just hit me. Oh Oh, well, you know you should probably go to sleep So that is what he's doing But that doesn't mean we're not going to have an Nintendo Prime podcast as always I have promised you guys when we hit that hundred dollar patreon goal come hell or high water There will be a podcast even if I can't make it or Eric can't make it Or for some reason both of us can't make it then I might have to be like hey 5j Let me slip you a 20 quick. Can you run this podcast this week? Uh, so we have 5j back again. I do it Hey, what's up guys? Nice nice to have you back. Uh, I can't say uh two podcasts for now. We will have rabbit luigi on I just confirmed with him today. So that's going to be fun This week's podcast was actually supposed to feature our 20 patreon backers, but uh Again, none of them available this month. They just like Supporting us apparently without showing up on the podcast. So good for them Uh, I mean it kind of makes my job harder when I rely on them And then I realized all the way maybe I should stop relying on them and just schedule people and then just throw them in But whatever it is what it is 5j is always there For the most right and you're coming back or you are back as of when people hear this you will return to your 5j weekends Yeah, they'll have seen me streaming this uh in the future now this past weekend Yeah, so just like last week when there was only two of us It'll probably be a shorter podcast than usual, but you know what it's it's okay. We're heading into the holiday season Uh this week that you're hearing this podcast is thanksgiving in the united states So, uh, we have lots of family time and yes, we will have a podcast recorded this week for next week Um, I don't know when but I will figure it out I literally have no idea when I'm gonna pull that off, but it's going to happen Uh, so let's just hop right into the topics this week We have three specific topics and then another random time at the end Which sounds like it's going to be good fun based on what I know 5j wants to talk about So let's just get into topic one. Our topic one is uh, what are we playing this week? We haven't done one of these in a long time Uh, and now let's just talk about it's a 5j. What's up? What are you playing lately? Sure. So, uh, I think uh, Nate and I both have in common that we've been playing doom And uh, I've been very happy with the port that we've gotten on doom I actually did play doom last year on xbox 360. Wow on xbox one and uh I'm very happy with how it looks on doom and the multiplayer. I was able to play doom multiplayer while I was away last Two weekends in the woods Uh in northern minnesota with a single bar of 4g Um reception that was enough for me to be able to play online doom Amazing you couldn't do that on your xbox one. Could you? so Yeah Yeah, doom good stuff um I have it and I played it and I'm enjoying it.  I see I didn't play doom Uh last year. So this is my first time playing doom basically since the 90s Oh, nice. So I had no idea what was going on especially in the 2016 version and uh I'm playing the multiplayer. I'm getting a lot of requests to play single player But I was playing the multiplayer and holy crud. It was the most viewed live stream. We've ever had in tender prime Oh, really nice. Uh people were very very interested in it and they didn't go away And what I learned from that experience was that people think that doom is potentially like the best poor job done So, oh, it's great. It's a game that technically nobody would have thought would really make a good transition to switch And in truth, it's excellent. Really? Yeah, I know a lot of people are gonna reg on. Oh, it's not 60 fps is not 60 That's fine Go play the fps versions I'm telling you right now when you're playing this like I I played it mostly in dachmo But I'm a little bit impartable, but I can tell you right now. It doesn't bother me at all. I thought it would bother me. Nope I have no issues with it this this game. I don't know if it's because the use of motion blur or what it is But it's just so smooth Yes, yeah, there's that motion blurring where they call it chromatic aberration Yeah, whatever you could turn it off Yep, you can turn it off. Don't turn it off. I'm telling I mean, maybe you won't turn it off on pc or something But don't turn it off Yeah, not on the switch. You turn it off on switch. Then suddenly it doesn't feel so smooth But like the multiplayer, okay, I I haven't played I don't play a lot of online multiplayer shooters besides like Splatoon so I haven't played when I was playing the multiplayer. I'm like, okay, this reminds me unreal tournament. Oh man This reminds me of halo. Yes. Yes. Unreal tournament. Great stuff I'm like, this is unreal tournament and halo smashed together How come people aren't playing to some other platforms and then it hit me? All right, those other platforms have a zillion first-person shooter multiplayer options Just barely does not Um, and I feel like that's working in advantage for doom on switch where I think the multiplayer community on switch Well, it should be cross play. Come on. Um The multiplayer community I think it's gonna last a lot longer for this game than normal because there is no other competing game out there for this kind of multiplayer Yeah Yeah, literally there's the only first-person shooter out there at the moment. It's just and it's good.  It's revolutionizing things. It's the best multiplayer ever It's just there's nothing like it on switch. So it really really stands out It was astonishing to me having not played a multiplayer game like that for so long because I've been So tied to nintendo systems. That doesn't mean I don't like no, I don't xbox one I want a gaming pc. I just don't play first-person shooters on them Uh, and the ones that I have played have been like call of duty and those are completely different types of first-person shooters than this Right. Yeah doom is so different from other first-person shooters because aesthetically it's not the standard Oh, it's world war two or oh, it's in the future modern Warfighting.  It's awesome. Well. Yeah, and like other games like when you're in when you're playing call of duty online You want to make use of a lot of cover? Um, a lot of sneaking a lot of people not knowing where you're getting them from and doom is very much get in your face Like oh, yeah, like you cannot stop moving in doom.  So we'll we'll see. I mean, I'm not saying like obviously halo 5 had a better fps, but it's just uh Well, one of those situations where this multiplayer just feels right It does There's not like a thing I could think of to even improve it as it is um Just the the only thing I would change at least I haven't discovered how to do this is There's certain modes I like to play in multiplayer And some of them are just locked behind like a big playlist. So it's like I want to play freeze tag But if I'm in the the team Playlist it's in there as one of the modes, but you might not play it for a long time Literally action. Um, obviously I didn't well, I ran into some of that. Um, during the live stream I was playing private matches.  Oh, that's sweet. You stuck with team deathmatch a lot because I just like deathmatch. That's great mode. I mean, it's traditional. It's it's amazing But like the other modes are just as fun. It's not more fun in some cases So good. So have you played any other games this past week? Yes, and I think again once once again, we have a similarity in that I also picked up the rocket league port to switch And for me, I felt like there was even less of like an evidence of a down port For rocket league than there was for doom because this one is running at 60 frames per second The environments are smaller. So they didn't have to scale back the detail quite as much and the Resolution is Higher than doom because it's not so hectic with all these things moving around in all these enemies. I think it's uh Oh, man People are gonna say I'm miss, you know, miss being miscorded here, but uh, I think it's 900 p locked. Well docked But seven nice he Uh with a dynamic resolution that drops to like I don't even know it's 800 something by 720. I believe sure. Um I could be getting that mixed up with skyrim like we're getting all this information rushing us at once So I could be confusing Yeah But yeah, it's Have you played rocket league before? Yeah, I played um probably mostly on xbox one a little bit on ps4 And so this is my third time buying it and all three times I bought immediately the dlc for the delorean Of course. Yeah. Yeah, I saw that dlc.   Yeah Exactly So yeah, the the only you know the footage I put up of it so far anyways. I'm a total noob I even tell tell people in the video.  Just just don't even pretend. I'm not on your team. I might help I might make contact with the ball once maybe we'll see Oh, wow, I'm very good at ramming other cars and blowing them up. So if you want me to do that I could be that kind of player for you gather the boost boost up and destroy cars um That's about my only skill in rocket league right now. Uh, but I understand the appeal now that I played it. I get it Yeah, I get it. It's it's fun. It's addicting Uh, even with me getting wrecked in every match I play. I don't really care Have you played the mode with the power-ups? Not yet Oh my goodness. So there's a couple of different ways to do it There's a mode where you get these power-ups and they're crazy and they're random like one of them is an arm that shoots out Quite a long ways at wherever the ball is It just automatically will punch at the ball. There's another one that will like Lasso onto the ball and then pull it towards you So you can use that to pull it away from a goal or maybe to throw it across the the way or whatever Uh, and there's another one where you just get spikes on your car and the ball will stick to your car And you just drive around with the ball in your car. Nobody can get it off Um, so there's a mode where you can trigger that on your own And then there's a mode where just like every 30 seconds Everyone gets a power-up that goes off instantly and all of a sudden just like six power-ups just trigger Boom and you never know what's going to happen. You know, it's insane. That's awesome.  Yeah Anyone could play that mode because it's just absolute insanity to the max dialed it up to 11, you know, oh boy This is gonna be Oh, it's gonna be insane um and obviously Before we go a little further, I do want to apologize anymore if there's any audio issues on my end um My microphones are kind of crapping the bed right now. They've been crapping the bed for a couple weeks um I don't know if i'm going to have them next week. It kind of depends on when my money comes in But I am in the process of ordering two akg mics. They're they're decently expensive, but uh To give you an idea if you guys have ever listened to an easy allies podcast, it's the those are the mics they use so uh Up in the game here. I'm tired of just these mics breaking down right now. These are like the sixth and seventh version of these mics that I've bought and And I realized after going through all the money I spent on them that uh Wow, I could have had even nicer mics than the akg ones. So Oh ouch. Yeah, so again, these mics aren't bad to get your podcasting life started, but uh You better plan to replace them Fast that's all I'll say So again, I just want to apologize like I'm literally watching the audio and while everything was perfect earlier now It's suddenly not so I Sorry if anything's going wonky on my end anyways, um, but we're gonna keep your editor. We'll take care of it Yeah, we'll see I'll really keep this train rolling. Uh, is there any other games you played this past weeks? Yeah, I think uh, the other big one worth mentioning is farming simulator nintendo switch edition Oh, of course you got that So I've uh, I've always been like a harvest moon fan or or probably the younger viewers would be more recognizing the Game stardew valley that style of game. I've always loved and I grew up Working for a local farmer on picking corn and stuff So I've been curious about farming simulator for a very long time and now that it's portable And on a nintendo system. It's like I couldn't resist. So I gave it a shot And uh, and you know, I'm getting it Like any simulator you don't just jump in and oh, you figured it out like that No, there's a lot of depth in here But one of the things that should help make it less scary for you is that you choose the difficulty of the game So there's an easy normal hard slider on the beginning when you choose your file And when you do easy like I'm doing it streamlines a bunch of stuff And uh, if you do the hard mode, then it's like no mercy You know you run over a plant. You've killed it. You know like awful, uh, it's really hard the description is like Uh prices for selling your crops are realistically low and like you have a bunch of debt from the bank It's like basically it's like a real farmer, which is really really really hard Oh, I don't I don't think I want to do that Man But uh, it's very interesting. Uh, you get these uh, you get three tractors right off the bat and Your tractors can have all sorts of different pieces of equipment that do these different Jobs on the fields and it's really cool to be able to see all the different things you can do Um, and if you like work for another farmer for a field you don't own you get to use their equipment So then you can see what other equipment does without having to own it And you can also lease equipment for the day Um so that you don't have to spend like $300,000 on this ridiculous tractor But I want us to have $300,000 You can and in fact we found in the game there is a lamb tractor Geez What? What super car maker lamborghini it makes a tractor it's out there. It's officially licensed tractor weird But anyways thumbs up. I think it's a cool game if you're very vaguely curious about it But not sure if you want to plunk down the full price. Maybe wait for a sale or use a gift card or something But um because of that easy slider I think that you guys would all enjoy it if you have some interest in a simulation game Nice, so yeah Cool, is there anything else? Uh, I think that's the big ones out there There were some smaller ones, but I don't know if it all deserves mentioning Uh, the only other game I want to bring up that I played this week Wasn't on a nintendo platform Star Wars Battlefront 2 Oh Played it played it on xbox one x. I have a Buddy who I'm he told me not to mention him by name He he ended up getting a quote-unquote review copy of it So I played it with him I need us to say I'm pretty upset And uh, I'm just gonna leave it at that By the time you listen to this podcast, I will have already created a video on it because I've already recorded my audio for it Um, so you can go back and I'll link to it and you can go watch my thoughts on Battlefront 2 now What's interesting is as soon as I started making the video they released an update like they're getting rid of the paid stuff for now Uh, because what yeah, like they just like before this podcast started What put out a tweet saying yeah, we're getting rid of the paid stuff. It's not going to be there Really gonna bring it back But basically they're saying we heard all the criticism We understand that it messes with the balance of the game We understand that people are complaining that you have to spend thousands of dollars to unlock everything um So they're Gonna bring it back eventually, but they're gonna make changes to it Which they don't ever we're gonna get rid of it for good obviously, but um, at least they're pretending they care so We shall see I don't know if this is just a pr move and they're really not going to change much And they're just going to kind of throw it back out there without saying anything Or if they really are going to make a positive adjustment, so I mean the bottom line is is that you know You're gonna have to buy loot loot crates.  It doesn't mean they can't make it easier to get like Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker um Right and my biggest issue with the game that I go over my video are the bugs So many bugs in this final version of the game. Oh, no But again, that was an xbox one x the problem is I played the beta on pc And I have like the same bugs So I don't know if this is like exclusive the xbox one x version So like if you're playing on PlayStation 4 or like even the base xbox one, maybe it's not a problem I don't know. I can only tell you what I've experienced. So I'm very disappointed Pulp when it gets patched I might buy it if it turns out like at some point next year that it's actually, you know a quote-unquote good game then But right now I'm pretty mad that I'm still waiting for a good Star Wars game You know, I was actually a big fan of the first battlefront. Yeah, I realized the problems that were in there Oh, I like because because I knew about those things before I played the game like my expectations were set And I wasn't disappointed by them. I it was also The thing the when EA brought back battlefront it I liked that the game in 2015 Um, it sucked that, you know, the the $50 Season pass you needed to get in order to basically have the full game Because they clearly rushed it out to match up with the movie whatever that happens Totally at least it was like 110 bucks and you were 100. Yeah 110 bucks and you were done Versus now like $2,000 to get everything Oh man, that's that's what they calculated it out to to get all the yeah, oh geez So it's it's bad So hopefully it's at least less than that to get everything if people do want to spend money Or they increase the rate at which you get in-game currency That would be nice or reduce the how much stuff costs can fix it There's a lot of different tweaks they can do and one of the big things they need to do Uh, no matter what they do to the system, they need to get rid of the pay to win aspects Uh, yeah, I don't know.  I don't know. They say they hear they see they're listening, but uh proof will be in the pudding when they bring They bring the paid stuff back Yeah, I'm so disappointed because they it sounds like they fixed a lot of the things that people Didn't like about the first game and then it's like, okay, perfect. You got everything's amazing It's my most disappointing thing that they like fixed because like one of the one of the big There's two big things they brought back in this game that we're missing from the first one space battles It well, yeah real Real space like a real full-on space battles like used to be in the old battlefront games and then an actual campaign Exactly and I won't spoil anything about the campaign except saying it's really really good like the story is really good The it's buggy as hell But the story is really good if you can actually get past the bugs and beat the levels The story is really good. The problem is it doesn't end and it sounds like the ending is coming in free updates in the future so I So I listened to a podcast that was talking about writing the story of it And what they said and they couldn't include any spoilers because the game's not out So they couldn't even put anything in there. But so just like Really general statement is that it covers literally a 30 year span It does yep for this campaign and I can't even imagine what that's going to be and then it's good I'm very excited. Yeah. I really like the story. It just doesn't It doesn't conclude At all it just kind of leaves you sitting there and it's really upsetting And when you pay attention to development like oh, yeah, it'll be in free updates because the big thing The big thing about this game is there's no season pass. There's no paid DLC So all future updates are free Their entire monetary systems built around the loot boxes Um Which is fine. That's basically the overwatch roll, right? They keep adding new content and they make their money through loot boxes Yeah Like I said, you know, I know some people have issues with that I don't mind as long as just cosmetic because I don't really care about cosmetics You know, if I happen to get a rare cosmetic through a loot box. I earned in game sweet. Cool Don't really care. It's not why I play Um, some of it can be like really cool fan service Yeah, you know, the people that care about it like oh, this was in uh a comic from 1977 like a cool I'll just say this about battlefront 2 when it's not bugging out when it's working.  So like they knew I didn't have those that that's interesting, but I was on a normal xbox one. Yeah Different versions are going to have different bugs. Um, different optimization Well, yeah, yeah, it's just like, uh, you know like Assassin's Creed unity had a bunch of issues on pc that didn't exist on PlayStation 4 Sure. Um, that's just the way it's going to be but As I said, I hope that if you guys buy battlefront 2 that you guys end up not having these issues because When those issues don't happen, I it's a rather good game as it should be. It's made by dice Uh, who just came off of battlefield world war one, which is a very good game Uh, so if this is a company that knows how to make good games Like a studio that knows what they're doing but Again, I I question if these bugs aren't ironed out completely because hey, guess what? There's another big star wars movie coming out Yeah, I mean that's very possible because I imagine they're planning to drop The dlc that pertains to the movie before the movie comes out Right when the movie comes out. It's just I don't know I I just feel like again It's convenient how they the excuse last time was a new star wars movie coming out So we had to rush it the excuse this time They won't even mention the new star wars movie But very clearly these bugs exist that should not exist You should have delayed this game like six months and got the centered out just my opinion, of course They might argue well We can't delay it six months because then you know, it's not releasing during the holidays It's the star wars Yeah, it won't really matter. It doesn't need holidays to sell You know just telling you right now ea if that's why like you needed to get it out because the holiday. No, you don't I think ea had said originally that star wars battlefront the first one was underperformed But it had sold like 12 million copies when they said that and it's like well That was underperforming Like what were your expectations? Wow Um, I don't know you have to look at what the old you have to look at what the old battlefront game sold That's probably what their baseline was and if those games moved like 20 million plus they would have like hey But I mean, yeah 12 million people plus bought the game Uh, despite, you know, how everybody who bought them the season pass to go with that too Yeah, I know I was one of them that paid for the season pass again.  I'm like, yeah, no But at least when I'm not, you know getting those pop-ups or anything Yeah, the game's really really fun. And that's what I'm hoping for battlefront to hopefully get to that point on xbox 1x and pc Um, again, it sounds like maybe like I've heard other people say that I have in these issues and I'm like, that's fine. Good Yeah, I don't want these but I can only go off my own experience. So, um We'll go on to our next topic here. Uh, the game awards is coming up Oh For those who don't know what the game awards is it is a Uh, I guess an emmy style award ceremony for video games That's at least the goal of what it is. It is to create like the emmy of video games Uh, the golden globe of video games. Well, however, you want to look at it And it is hosted by jeff kealy and what I always respected about this game awards show Uh, I know I think this is the fourth year. It's been running. Um, and there's been game awards shows before Spike tv used to host it and it was terrible Yeah And the thing is jeff kealy hosted those for spike tv, but like It sounded like spike tv really was holding things back and not giving it a proper budget blah blah blah Um, sure. So like what I always respected about the game awards is that the very first, uh game awards anyways Uh, jeff kealy paid for it out of pocket I took a big risk and basically put his entire savings on the line Wow, um, and it paid off and it worked and they were able to bring it back again and again and again And now, you know, there's sponsorships and like we we saw that a lot last year. There's a lot more Um, check out our sponsor or here's the ubi soft back room. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Right I'm like that's very clearly like it Like you can say it's annoying, but then on the other side of it like well, yeah, but that's how the show is paid for Um, it's just like ads on radio and stuff like yeah, the radio is free, but that's free because there's ads um Which is why I've always found cable television interesting because it's not free and there's ads That's why I resent hulu's two payment tier structure The once free platform that used ads to pay for itself now has a Level where you pay for ads. Well, you gotta be kidding me for Yeah, you pay but you get a little bit of ads or you could pay and get rid of the ads Except for most the shows you probably are paying to watch in the first place are not included in that and still have ads I know because I I pay for the top service and I watch like empire right like I have direct tv now So I can go watch these shows through direct tv now Um, so I don't even need hulu like I basically I have hulu for I don't even watch most of hulu originals So no, I don't all the shows I can actually just go through direct tv now because direct tv now has its own dvr service But like the direct tv now dvr doesn't always have the episodes Um, right. Yeah, it's right tv now. It's kind of newer. So the basically they're working on it So I still use hulu Especially because I can't put direct tv now on every tv I have because Like my smart tv in my office can't it it's app store doesn't have direct tv now Uh, and my nintendo switch is hooked up to it doesn't have direct tv now So if I want to watch it does have hulu now But yeah, but if I want to watch my shows I can do it through hulu So like there's still some convenience there because hulu is more widely available Yes, and it's really not that expensive like 10 bucks 11 bucks, whatever it is Which is fine. It's fine. But um Um Yeah, the you'll pay for it and then some of the like I like I watch shows like empire or scandal or whatever and as soon as you fire it up is like this show is not included in your ads free programming So it will have an ad before and after the episode and it's like, okay I'm obviously not gonna watch the one after the episode anyways, but it's like Really Yeah, that is ruthless hulu. Come on. It'd be different if the episode was available for free anyways Like it used to be but it's not Great. So like that's that's what I think like if you're gonna have the ads at least I have that episode free And then when you then like if they just had like the latest five episodes for free And then you were paying to gain access to the full season. I get that Sure, but that's not what I don't anyways. I'm sure it has a lot to do with contracts with all these different companies Um, I mean you even look at services like netflix. I love netflix and probably the only reason I'm keeping netflix now is the original programming Because they're losing a lot of companies really fast Yeah, I don't know why either. It's so strange. Well, because they all want to launch their own services Sure, they want a bigger size of the pie. They don't want to go through netflix Um, and it sucks because now our our tv is slowly being piecemeal Great, it's going back to cable programming But in a different approach where you have to pay Direct tv now the only reason I have it is because right now it has the best lineup of channels But how long is that gonna last before some of these companies are like disney and being like Yeah, we're just gonna run our own streaming service Yep So We'll see what happens with all that. Uh, at first I liked the fact that everything was going to streaming tv and now I'm like, oh boy Yeah, starting to become a mess. Um, unless you know, maybe it gets so fragmented at one point that all of these companies come together and be like, look, we need to form like a A union and and offer a platform that allows you to subscribe to all these services for cheaper under one umbrella And we'll call it netflix Yeah, the thing is like netflix is so huge right now. Um And to be fair netflix still gets good shows and they still get new movies and stuff, but uh To me, I mean, I don't know netflix is so good with their original programming now.  Oh, let's try let's try narcos. Let's do that all of a sudden like Yeah, everything you're releasing is hbo quality and it's amazing Yeah, you could argue maybe there's not a show quite on the level of game of thrones yet, but That's not because netflix can't do it Right, you know, they just haven't gotten like an ip license like that to pull it off with Plus netflix would know that like that's a super like Hbo is so great at what they do because they they tend to go like super high budget high risk Um, which is why like like one of my favorite hbo series of all time was actually rome Rome loved that that show it ran for like three seasons. It was super high budget like game of thrones budget It just wasn't getting the viewership to support that kind of budget. So they had to cancel it after three seasons, but That's one thing I always liked about hbo They just go all in and when it works they make tons of money Like game of thrones. I'm sure they've made oodles and oodles of money off that show Yeah, dollar or 200. I can so getting back to the game award yourself. Um I've always respected it because of that and it's coming back again on december 7th and Nintendo's up for like 13 different awards or something Wasn't it like 26? There it was like a lot there. I believe there's a 30 total awards being handed out.  They're nominated 24 times. Yeah Yeah, they're nominated 24 times a lot of it is like zelda and mario nominated for the same award Um, so they can win 13 awards Um, and that and that's counting. I think two awards that are technically mario plus rabbits kingdom battle eligible Um, sure it would be it would be ubi soft going up on stage, but it has a nintendo ip involved Right. Yeah, so obviously mario would be a big recognition for that game In fact, I don't even know like it might be someone from nintendo and it would be something go up for that award I have no idea if it wins potentially so Couple things I want to talk about this because we're not going to go over every award They could possibly win we could end up having a whole podcast just talking about projecting winners and blah blah blah right The game awards is basically known for Two big things. Obviously, there's the awards first and foremost And then after that, it's like the new trailers and game announcements Yeah, um, because it's basically like its own E3 style event That lasts like two to three hours and a bunch of awards and here's some new trailers for games coming out next year Uh, and nintendo has always had a big presence At this event. Uh, regi fees of a is actually on the board for the event. He's been on the board since the beginning He's a ben at every single game awards so far Uh, obviously the biggest game they showed off which was the biggest shocker when they the very first game awards was zelda um So breath of the wild that was the first time we saw actual gameplay of it, but they've shown other games there as well so First let's talk about that Jeff keely announced that there's going to be Uh, the largest world premiere slate of games ever And it's to be noted world premiere by jeff keely does not mean like The first time you've ever seen the game. It just means an exclusive trailer So, you know, we could see a red debba chapter 2 trailer when we've already seen red debba chapter 2 Um, but he did note he did note that there's going to be several like like Someone asked him if any of those world reveals are going to be Games that are not currently announced and he said several So, oh sweet Yeah The thing is is we could speculate all day about what those games could be But I want to talk about nintendo because nintendo has always had a big presence nintendo Is up for almost half of the awards at the ceremony. So they're clearly going to be there They know they have a huge presence Um, and they know the switch is blowing up So this year more than any of the other years which were during the we you era Yeah This is the time for nintendo to hit us with something hit us with an announcement Because this is after zeno bay chronicles 2 comes out and we're all just waiting for what's next Yeah What should nintendo announce at this event or show off at this event if it's not announced in a new game That would hit with the crowd because remember the crowd that watches this really to me feels like the crowd that owns a switch Right, you know, it's it's more serious game or is that care about this stuff? That's not a new game you say well it can it can be a new game Or like first off do we think nintendo is going to unveil like a currently unannounced game? See you never know with nintendo. They're going to have games they could get up there and be like Hey, here comes pac-man versus Or they could be like here's breath of the wild first footage ever and you like you know Yeah, some people were hoping for the dlc footage to be unveiled there Oh, that's no that's interesting and probably like really really practical and but maybe I feel like that would be more of a minor thing Right exactly like oh breath of the wild just one game of the year Here's the dlc footage like that'd be a great like combo or in any win that breath of the wild gets It would be a good combo time to show off a You know a trailer for the new dlc if it's hitting in the middle of december But I also think that as big as breath of the wild is a dlc trailer is kind of a A small thing. Yeah, exactly Especially because like it's not probably going to sell more people on breath of the wild It's just going to make people who already own it who haven't bought the dlc yet buy it right So do we think nintendo is going to show off a new game? I think it's Possible. I think there's a lot of things that we're waiting for Smash Bros being one of them, right? We would love to hear a smash brothers announcement We already know that they're working on pokemon and metroid prime I don't think pokemon is very far along, but I think metroid prime is a little bit of a mystery They've been working on this for a while. Maybe they have a trailer or at least a short teaser You know we mentioned smash bros It reminded me of like this dual announcement thing that I think Would be everything I want. I don't really care what happens at the game awards that this happened There's a new kingdom hearts 3 trailer that happens to have a switch logo at the end Oh, yeah That would be sweet and then smash bros, you know five gets announced And the character from kingdom hearts is playable in it Oh, awesome. No, that would totally work. So you tie it in Oh, so you tie in the character. It's the same speculation people have with Oh, it's final fantasy 7 coming to nintendo platform because clouds in the game Is final fantasy 7 ever actually going to come Other question But like in kingdom hearts 3 is going to come to switch and then they also have this dual announcement We're like there's this extra promo by having it in the new smash game That to me. I think it's like the perfect combination Yeah Or even if they announced a smash game first and then include them and get people thinking. Oh, yeah They did this with cloud. It doesn't mean anything I think though that sora or anyone from kingdom hearts would be a really good fit though Because it's sort of a mix of cool and like child friendly because you're hitting somebody with a giant key I don't know that this matters Since especially if it's sora who isn't a disney character Um, but because it's it's a game based heavily in disney characters If disney would be like you can't really do that because nintendo works with universal Yeah Petty disney would be about that because I feel like someone like sora would actually be a square enix character then Yeah, yeah, sora's not I guarantee you that's a that's a holy created an owned character of square enix So it wouldn't be like mickey mouse But then the thing is it's like I always look at well disney's always release games on nintendo platforms anyways Do they really care? They just want money again Yeah, I mean it's not like nintendo is going to go to universal parks and build up kingdom hearts 3 section so yeah So yeah, and if they did with disney really complaining because they would probably get a royalty off of that Yeah Yeah, that's true, but they are rivals um Man that would be a killer announcement Yeah, you've impressed yourself with that one Well, it's your idea and I'm just like, uh, man Yeah, no a smash brothers would be great. I think it's also like a pretty obvious one What would be like less obvious like what would be like a weird left field one? mother three Mother mother three would be awesome, but I don't think this is exactly the 100 right crowd for that But if you're looking for a live reaction What what is a live audience here with a bunch of game developers? So it's like what's going to blow their minds Um, you know if you really want it because nintendo does new live events really I know they don't so like if they're going to show something they probably want a big crowd reaction from other game developers Zelda gave that to them kind of It was off-screen footage. So they kind of bit themselves in the you know in the booty with that um I kept thinking like metroid You know metroid prime 4 showing that for the first time would obviously get people excited. It is the right crowd for it But metroid is also not like this super big franchise. I don't know um It's tough because you think like oh, they should just show a pokemon and it's like One I don't know if what comes ready to be shown even if it is ready to be shown Switch one. No, it doesn't need the game awards. No, it does not Not at all. It's going to sell like 10 million copies on its own. It doesn't need They could put the game on sale for one day and then take it off the market And as long as they had the supply they would sell 20 million copies Maybe 20 million switches out there first Um, which hey, you know, I mean 30 million next year. So who knows I can handle it um Yeah, I don't know Like I'll like an auto left field announcement that would really uh capture people.  Well, what a breath of the wild too is happening Oh my goodness But they majority asked that bad boy majority mask. Oh, yeah a year later Like that could blow some people's minds especially coming off like if it wins game of the year and all of a sudden it's like Oh, and by the way, we have a second one coming You know, it's not completely impossible because I bet that they did slow down Um, the release of breath of the wild so that it would be simultaneously we you and switch Plus all the dlc. They're working on that's not like the whole zelda team is working on the dlc No, it's a smaller team. So if they've had potentially Several months from before the release of breath of the wild And now up until you know, maybe fall of next year I mean, that's a pretty good long time to do like an engine sequel It would that would be shocking because no one thinks it would be announced yet No, uh, if there was going to be a zelda sequel coming quick They wouldn't think it's coming out till like 2019 at the earliest and we'd be announced at 3 next year Um If they were going to majority as a basket So that's why I said like in terms of surprising to be that Another announcement that I think could really work in Nintendo's favor Is if we find out bayonetta 3 is coming to switch Oh, yeah, good one. Really good one. Obviously with the dual announcement of you know, the reporting one and two over as well Um to release, you know early next year and then bayonetta 3 to hit the end of the year or something Uh, and I don't know like I realized again bayonetta is again not a super super popular franchise per se Uh, but you have to wonder now a portable factor Um a lot more adult gamers owning this versus children Yeah, it could very well end up selling very well I mean Well, the thing is like some of the some of the biggest announcements that I think could happen for nintendo are going to be something like that That's like a major a semi major third party game coming to switch like exclusively for some reason Oh As awesome as it would be. Oh, we're getting kingdom r3. Oh, we're getting this But really the best games are going to be those exclusive ones like the mario plus rabbits kingdom medal like Yeah, the milk the ground up just for switch Right, um And I keep thinking like what franchise would would be It is kind of like that where it's like a bayonetta where it's not super super popular But it's got an audience um F zero I don't you know, I just have oh the the one I would love to see happen. It's not going to But it would be awesome to see a time splitter is going to be announced Oh, yeah. Yeah, we were talking about that I mean, but again, these are a lot of left field like these aren't going to happen That one for sure not happening. Um If you just look at nintendo ip I keep thinking like what's going to hit with this crowd. It's basically uh zelda Metroid and Like a mario game that's like odyssey Um, a lot of their other games aren't really good at like if they show if they come in here and play it safe and just so yoshi off That's the crowds not going to care or like another donkey kong country game I feel like people are like actively mad at retro.  You know, that's a really good point. Maybe that's what we're gonna see a game come out since tropical freeze They're not making the new metro game. They said they're not making another donkey kong country game So if they're not making another, you know, donkey kong country, they're not making metro Which are the only games they've really made Yeah Like this is like three four years now What I mean the only thing the only thing I could say if they're gonna get three to four years on a game Is it has to be a new ip? Yeah, it has to be something they want to make sure they get right You know, and I'm kind of curious what if it is a proper Nintendo first person shooter game Okay, not metroid style exploration game that has some shooting elements But like a real Nintendo ip first person shooter because that is something they're severely lacking in terms of genres They're now hitting things like open world and that kind of stuff that have been around for a while And they've hit it well with breath of the wild right and in a little bit there with odyssey Sort of yeah, I wonder if it's gonna be that I wonder if it's gonna be a Nintendo western rpg um Because like I know zealots tried to do that and then they kind of realized hey, we're good at jrpg That's what we should be doing Yeah, that was jrpg I was mentioning and It could be that it could be I mean it could be anything It's got to be something ambitious if it comes out.  They can't be a match three puzzle game So I I don't know. I mean it's possible some people even speculated. Hey, maybe they're making their own Zelda game And they've been given free reign to do whatever the heck they want And they've been making it this whole time um, and it's just going to come out of left field and Completely unexpected.  So why can't we have multiple action adventure games? They're clearly extremely popular Yeah, like even the Uncharted series. Yeah, it's shoo-choo, but it's an action adventure game That's that's what it is. Oh the shooting mechanics are very Simple. Yeah, it's an action adventure game like why can't we get more? I that like think about that like think of how different Uncharted is from zelda There's no way Nintendo can't fit another action adventure game in there somewhere um, and I feel like because retro is a western studio and because the The switch is blowing up so much in the west. They have to make a game that appeals to the west I would be kind of upset if they came out with like, uh, we're making like a dating sim or something Oh, you know what it could be tingles rosy rupee land 2 actually There are four tingle games, come on now The stories in those games are good Some of the game plays some of the game never tried them They're they're definitely I mean you have to like tingle. Let's just put it that way. They're tingle forward, huh? So I guess we're going over a bunch of wild and crazy speculation there Uh, so let's just talk about the only award that matters Actually, I shouldn't say it's the only word that matters. I actually think there's an award that's more important, but uh I won't talk about that now. We'll save that for another time. Uh Game of the year Nintendo's got two games up for game of the year and you guess what what those games are I'm gonna say arms And picross s close I mean arms arms is up for an award Probably not gonna win it, but it is up for an award. Is it up for fighting game? Yeah, it's up for best fighting game Cool, it's not gonna win. It's not gonna win But I mean I looked at the list of the fighting games. None of them are really that impressive. So I Maybe the most impressive one is the one that's coming out on switch randomly in the next month. That's basic Disappointing what Yeah, because arms was like the least bugs and the least disappointing No, well, I'm just saying like the best fighting game probably coming out this year It's a smash bros clone coming out on switch here in like the next month Oh, yeah, well, what does that call the game?   Uh, there are obviously yes. Um Yeah, so if odyssey breath of the wild, I think it's uh horizon uh near ottoma and I forget what the other one is Whatever it doesn't really matter because it's probably going to be odyssey of breath of the wild anyways And I'm not saying that because those other games aren't fantastic I'm saying that because by far and away breath of the wild and mario odyssey scored higher review scores than every other game That's even remotely being considered Yeah, um and considering that only 10 percent of the vote is by the fans And otherwise the rest is like by the panel and everything Uh, yeah, it's going to be breath of the wild or odyssey because the panel really really likes breath of the wild or odyssey so Um, the question is which one of them is going to be game of the year Yeah, that's the thing. So personally I think it's going to be breath of the wild Agree disagree explain Just wanted where to go from there, um So nothing against mario odyssey because I personally I love mario odyssey. I am really looking forward to getting the rest of the moons, um I think I'm at about 600 something like that.  I still have like 300 some to go Anyway, I love that game I think it's an amazing 3d platformer and if it wasn't going up against breath of the wild I would say that it would win but It seems to me that when breath of the wild came out The entire gaming industry was just in an uproar about how amazing this game was And people who have never spoken to you about video games Ever and I didn't know they even played video games They went out and they got this game and they played this game and they were raving about this game on social media I'm like you played games Wow, that's incredible. I never knew that never once posted anything gaming related Maybe they still play games very often Right and and that's one of those things. I've never seen a game come out where they've done that before And all of the news channel the media channels, you know, it's same thing Just everybody just freaking out about discovering Some new little trick you could do in the physics engine of breath of the wild or only crap I found this hidden over here kind of thing and Oh, just exploring those mountaintops like there's such a a grand epic scale That I don't think that mario odyssey can quite reach because it's not Going for that It's yeah, I feel like man That breath of the wild's advantage Is the wow factor. Yes. It's such a departure from where zelda has been heading Yes, I'm not going to say zelda's never been open world. There's never been RPG elements There's never been this never been it Here's for the most part that has there's hasn't been a physics engine like this or a cooking system like this or an item breaking system Whatever those systems have Although again people will remind me yes, there were items that broke in the past but come on. This isn't like remotely comparable but This there hasn't been a zelda game like this arguably ever No, um and because of that there's this wow Shock factor Nintendo of all companies with their super high quality control There all the delays all all the height building Released a game that for a lot of people it feels like they've never played an action adventure game like that before They played rpgs like that skyrim blah blah blah, but nothing like zelda Um, so it really blew them away Odyssey yeah We've played games like this before Right super mar 64 Uh, you know sunshine to a degree Uh galaxy a little bit their games that uh, but clearly this is inspired by Yeah, the thing with odyssey That also gives up the edges one mario is just more popular Uh two Odyssey right now is being touted as the greatest mario game ever And so now if you're debating between what people are calling the greatest zelda game versus the greatest mario game mario is usually going to have a slight edge in that just because of how popular it is Yeah, and how it is to larger audiences how many mario games that are compared to zelda like oh my god to have like the cream of the crop Where there's some people that don't like some of the mechanics and breath of the wild so much They actually still prefer other games in the series Uh, whereas right now I I've met very few people that will tell me that odyssey is not at least in consideration for the best mario game ever made sure it has uh I know this is weird, but odyssey does have the most memorable soundtrack um jump up superstar is I I mean, I know the soundtrack. I think it's also up for Your best composition of the year. Um, it's the most memorable song to come out this year for in all of video games Yeah Rememberable in a bad way I think people who like mario games like the song Uh, people who aren't like the biggest fan of mario games are like really this jazz Thing is what everyone's talking about like oh, nintendo has people dancing in the street. Like, uh, okay. That's kind of weird Um, but that's the thing that's what also makes us so good Uh, it's just how different it is right It's very different. Um, and I love that about About this game um about the game is this like it's so memorable like if we think about think about like, uh, what's the most memorable tune in breath of the wild can you even Comment off the top your head A cover of another zelda track in a previous game Doubtless so like You know mario's got I mean there are some callbacks of some old songs in it But but like it just sound track wise. It's amazing and like when I'm even thinking out of all the other games I played this year, um The only other song that even sticks in my head is the theme song to arms Um And that's I don't know if it's because it's good or just because that's the only thing they played For like six months Every time they showed off the game even now with new trailers. It's the same song. It's like great You created one great song and nothing It like we're in odyssey there's other music and stuff in there Um, so I kind of get that edge, you know, if you think about the music to odyssey Uh, you can get the edge in terms of popularity You can argue the game qualities on par at least review wise. They have the same review score. So Yep Performance and resolution wise. It's probably got an edge as well. Yeah. Well, it is it is exclusive on switch I don't know if that's gonna matter. But yeah, exactly if anyone considers that kind of stuff and We also have to remember that it's the most recent release So it's the freshest in people's minds Now that breath of the wilds ever gonna go away. Oh is I mean if we just had the Not too long ago the editor in chief a polygon freaking out over losing his save file that he didn't actually lose for breath of the wild So breath of the wild is still very much a game that people passionately care about Uh, yeah, and I feel like it deserves something to commemorate. What a massive impact that I had sure Uh, and the thing is is I don't know which one's gonna win I think it's going to be very very close in the voting Where we're never going to see, you know, we don't see what the tallies are but usually Jeff Keeley will be like This is like the closest vote we've ever had You know, he doesn't actually say what the difference was but he'll know like it's really really close I feel like it's really close. They only won by 80 percent closest. We've ever had I think breath of the wild is going to win and has an edge just because I feel like it is the most respected franchise Yes, like I'm not saying that this is no disrespect. Mario is massively respected Uh, but think about it. What which one of those two games is up for family game? Yeah, it's odyssey like they're considering odyssey as a family game a game that you is Has a multiplayer mode, but let's be real. It's a single player game Yeah, um, but you play by yourself and appeals to people who liked the game on the n64 So it's like it appeals to people who are definitely adults now and it's being considered a family game Uh And it might win family game just because it's popular, but it shouldn't It's shown now. I mean, it's not even the best family game on the switch I mean, you Mario Kart 8 deluxe is very clearly the most accessible family game because a local multiplayer Um, you can argue splatoon 2 should be up there too. Um And those both are up their consideration So it's like but odyssey still has this this it's a mario game, right? So it's got this mantra around of that Oh, it's for everyone Right and a for everyone game can't be as good as my Zelda game It's true. Yeah, it doesn't have it It sucks because that that shouldn't even be part of the thought process, but it subconsciously it is It's like no, it's all those like this hardcore experience like mario. That's like everyone plays mario um So and it kind of sucks like I don't think that should be part of the voting process, but it is right, um I mean even me like I'm like when I when I pick game of the year. I mean breath of the wild is my favorite game of all time so Yeah, I have bias I would pick breath of the wild But you know, I'm a zelda guy not a mario guy Uh, but I love mario too. I just don't love it as much as zelda. So it's like I have my own bias that makes me pick zelda, but I You know, I I put over 70 hours in odyssey um, I've almost I mean I'm gonna be 70. Oh nice by the end of the year. I'll probably have matched my play time between odyssey and zelda um, so I love it. I'm clearly loving it. I have no reason to keep playing now. I'm not live streaming it anymore Um, you know, I have no work related reasons to play it. I'm just playing it because I want to play it uh, so I understand any and all arguments for both games but I think zelda is just going to win because of one, uh, just general opinions on who the who these franchises are meant to be for um, to the crowd that that the game awards is catering to and three just because, uh Uh Breath of the wild Had this feeling maybe the feelings been tarnished a bit since I don't know Uh, but had this feeling of like a transcendent ocarina of time Next evolution of gaming feeling And the thing is I don't think it is like ocarina of time has been used as a template for other video games I don't think anyone's using breath of the wild as a template for anything um, but It had that feel So there's also less of a need to make a game on a template anymore because we've explored So many crazy types of games now back then a template was needed because games a lot of games are failing to come to 3d Yeah, yeah bad camera work. I argued forever. There's no way nintendo can ever top argument of time in terms of industry impact because Um, there's no limitations now No one needs to be shown how to do things right um But that didn't change the fact that breath of the wild is amazing and there hasn't been a game like it. So Uh, I think that's why I think people are just going to view breath of the wild is more unique Is it more unique? I don't know. Is it better than horizon zero dawn? I don't know. I haven't played horizon zero dawn. I know that it was a heavy debate You know playstation exclusive game and hendel exclusive game both of them action adventure which one's better I don't know Couldn't tell you. I think they're both really really good from what I've seen of horizon zero dawn looks fantastic And by the way, horizon zero dawn actually has its story dlc coming out with an announcement and a trailer and everything nintendo Come on nice Sony there it looks like really good dlc too um nice All I can say is with nintendo delaying the announcement of this dlc whether it gets delayed to 2018 or it releases in december It better be huge Because we're making us wait again Yeah, so it better be huge It better be sweet. All right, so let's move on to the next topic. Uh, this is a very interesting topic. Um Just because I didn't foresee this getting announced now Uh, but now it's great. It technically nintendo hasn't announced anything universal hasn't announced anything But this is going from reliable sources That a mario movie is reportedly being made a super mario movie. Sorry. I got a little super in there Um, it's gotta be super. It's being made by uh, it's an animated movie And it's being made by universal studios illumination studio Uh, which is the company, you know, they're most well known for minions Indespecable me but they've also made movies like sing Which I really like sing like sing. I didn't see it sings really underrated And And there was one other movie they made that was that was pretty good. I can't remember No, they didn't make this that's disney Oh, yeah Um, and one thing before before we talk about our feelings on this for everyone who says why did they hire disney? Why didn't they hire this company? Well, nintendo has a working business relationship with universal studios Yeah, they have theme parks like if they're going to have a super mario Like themed ride for the show. It's going to be at universal studio. So they're going to work with universal studios on the movie Right, it could literally hurt the relationship if uh, universal hears. Hey, nintendo's making a movie. Did they use your studio? Uh, no, and then they say disney disney makes a movie for nintendo disney is going to want to release a ride based on that movie And yeah, yeah Like I think a lot of people would have honestly preferred if if the business partnership would have been with disney But then you also decided the coin to like disney really owns a lot of stuff Um, it'd be nice for them to have some healthy competition universal is really the only major competition in the theme park world um, so Yeah, I actually don't mind the partnership with universal overall Um, but the question is are we excited for the show? Um, yes, let's start with that. I mean, are we excited for what this movie could be? Yeah, I think so because As we know They tried once before and it was obviously a gigantic flop now. They're obviously some people that like the movie And uh, they were cool with the new direction and whatnot. I loved it. But but that was live action Yeah, that was a live action one But obviously at that point they were really gun shy and they never wanted anyone to touch it Their their properties ever again for a movie like that So I think for one thing they said right away. This cannot be a live action movie It's got to be animated, which is a good choice because We uh, we've seen how dysmorphic mario is compared to other people. He's he's uh He's definitely a cartoon character. Sure and This way they can also potentially be using charles martin a is the voice Which would be great the voice you know in love of mario And uh because they're so gun shy, they're gonna make sure that this movie is at the very least a good movie Maybe not great and mind-blowing and whatever But they're gonna make sure this movie is not a bad movie It's gotta be at least a good movie or they're not gonna put it out Name a good pokemon or a good pokemon name a good video game movie that isn't pokemon That isn't pokemon can is there are there ones that are animated? I don't know if you could count pokemon like As a video game, I know it started on game first, but it's had a running tv show for Right, but the tv show was based off of the video game I know that but like what I'm saying is they had a successful tv show So because the show was successful like of course it's gonna translate a lot of movies They are gonna show don't always follow the games either. So are they gonna follow through with that?  I have no idea Because that was gonna be a movie once too but I mean name another one animated or otherwise that that's good The I think the closest we've ever really gotten which only had some Video game licenses and it was wreck it Ralph Sure, I enjoyed that movie. Maybe it wasn't amazing, but that was an original It was original, but it did have some tie-in Yeah, it had tie-in and it had bowser and zangief and stuff that again that worked a lot because it was original It wasn't like based in a single ip Right, but it very much was stealing directly from nintendo and that ralph was basically the original donkey kong and Felix was basically the original like jump man. I mean you could argue stealing But I mean they had to work with them. I know that there's no characters in the movie so I'm saying they were based directly on yeah Yeah, well a lot of our arcade games are based on So that's why they can get away with that right so what worked about it though Was that Ralph was like the villain and they gave the sort of soft view of oh, maybe Maybe he's not really so bad and maybe maybe the hero is kind of a jerk because he's always winning He's a little too full of himself because he knows he's the hero and That was a fun twist on that video game Trope and They could do something similar where I mean, I don't want to spoil anything in odyssey, but there was something there where I thought Oh, wow, that's that's an interesting twist there, isn't it? I don't know why they they're treating this character that way But uh, they are and so they they could very well be doing something in the vein of wreck it ralph in Trying to help you connect with characters that you don't connect this so much I think whatever they do it has to be original This is something I've argued about with every video game movie that's ever exists. Oh, we're tying it into a game No, no, don't do it games aren't made in a way that make good movies Even if they have a good base story that you could argue Final Fantasy 7 has a nice base to its story that could make for A tragic and epic movie. You're right. It could but it's not going to because it's but it plays better compared to the game Yeah, it plays better the way it was made which is the Like the $200 version it was made to be experienced through gameplay In a very long period of time Not two hours I'm a person that tends to like bad movies Um, I like the superhero show or the the movie. I like the tomb raider movies Enjoyably bad the resident evil movies Yeah, um, I liked all those movies. I didn't think they were terrible Uh, I'm in the vast minority because a lot of people be like, yeah, they were just okay I'm like, well just okay. It's pretty damn good for a video game movie That's fair. That is a fair criticism like tomb raider did well enough to have a trilogy Uh, resident evil did well enough for like four or five movies. Obviously, um, they must be good people did like resident evil. What? People really did like resident evil. Well, it was it was an interesting take Very interesting take and I feel like they had the right actors for it But you know the script for an always the best but it is what it is Unique stories as well unique. Yeah Again, that like that's the thing like that was able to go on for so long because kind of had its own story arc Yes, and that's what needs to happen here Like I don't know that there's part of the rumor is that like there might be like a planned potential trilogy here But they're not really banking on that. They're just going to work on it Like we plan to be staying alone, but we have kind of like this framework to continue it Which like it's a framework to continue it Like it's an option and like the contract somewhere if we make x dollars Then maybe we'll make a second one. Yeah, and like my worry here A couple things one like I know everyone in the world wants charles matt native voice everything Because he is the voice of mario and the voice of so many other mario characters Have you heard him talk in the mario voice for a prolonged period of time? Yes, it is annoying Yeah, but at this point imagine a two and a half hour video of that voice Yeah, but he doesn't have to like talk heavily, you know what I mean Like it like again a wreck it Ralph and it wasn't like Felix was like always on screen, you know No, no, but he talks a lot In fair amount.  So like Would you talk about that super mario mario? It's going to be about mario focused on mario. It has to be focused on mario It's going to have my name in the title. It's not this isn't the zelda series. Okay Name of the character in the title only appears for five minutes We didn't actually hear the title of the movie. We just heard that it was a super mario movie So it could be like toads whatever or Exactly birthday bash or something Oh, yeah, he finally gets the cake. Yeah I mean it could be a story based on bowser. We don't really know. Um, yep I My thing is is I'm worried about the movie for a number of reasons. I think the animation is going to be fantastic Like I know a lot of people like oh, I don't like the minions. Oh, yes.  You can hate the minions. I mean I feel like how many people hate the rabbits All right, just pickle me though was a pretty good movie It is like I I like to speak with me. I like the second one. I like the third one I I like the to speak with me movies the minion movies Yeah, I can pass on those my kids like them. It was obviously made for kids Um, which is fine.  I understand that um So, yeah, I mean and this is what I was just clicking out the podcast You just said he likes to speak with me. I'm like, that's so what I do I also like all this bad nintendo stuff. Who cares? um But my worry is it's not so much even about the studio like they could be they could have Hicks are working on this or heck get marvel involved from disney They they could try whatever they want the problem I have is that movies are about the story Yeah Mario's very much gameplay centric. So it's like you're going to take a franchise that's gameplay centric and make a movie out of that It could be a very much A movie focused on children and the story could be very simple. That's completely possible. I mean But at the same time the silly pokemon anime when they decided to make a pokemon movie There were some really deep and heavy concepts in that movie. Sure Yeah, you never can tell what nintendo is going to do. Yeah, but but again I mean that's the thing like I'm almost surprised You know the companies that keep making all the pokemon games that they didn't go to them be like hey make a mario make a mario Movie for us. Well, yeah, it's even then it's just pokemon has always had a story though Like the show even though it had some dark games in the movie like the show is an ongoing story based pokemon thing Whereas there isn't that for mario like even back when they had the mario cartoon show. There really wasn't much of a story I know But there has to be because that's what's going to engage people. You can't just have mario jumping on goombas going For like two hours. You can't do that Oh, I kind of like the sound of this already. All right So it's like I keep thinking about you know Hey, the there's a couple of directions they can go there's a direction some people are going to want them to go which is to make um an original Somehow heavy story based maybe a side story with a side character that we don't hear much about like lakito or something um That's all louis g it'll send some love for louis you'd be great super deep and it's just this amazing story Whether it's Karen or not doesn't matter And then I think that's what a lot of fans would want versus where where I think they're going to do They're going to be like look we're making this we're making this animated movie for five year olds Yeah, um, so yeah, there's not going to be a lot of talking. It's going to be a lot of um What was that style comedic effect? Like it's being made by a studio that's really good at that stuff So it's going to be a lot of you know comedic like all mario ran into a block and bumped his head ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah, probably um And I think that's going to upset a ton of people if they do that The thing is like it'll probably work. It'll appeal the kids, but like that's not nobody like People that are fans of of this series. That's not what they want, but that's probably what they're going to get I feel it based on the studio they're going with Um based on the fact that mario has never been a deep story based anything It feels like it's just going to be one of those slapstick Like children's ha ha ha mario fell ha ha ha you shot a fireball on a backfire and hit him in the face Like I know like let's just I mean think about it like that's just what what's what it's probably going to be And I'm not saying that because Illumination Studio can't do anything better. Like I felt saying Oh, it's a three Stooges movie starring mario character Ha ha ha ha Perfect so Needless to say I'm worried about the movie because I I think I'm just working. I know it's not going to appeal to me It's going to be my kids are going to love it And I'm probably going to see it on repeat on netflix like a billion times If it goes to netflix, I hope it does. I think it'd be a smart move for him Um watch it be like old man mario and how sad and lonely Um But again, my worries for this game really aren't about the animation studio itself It's just about the fact that I don't think mario as a franchise works well for the kind of movie That would actually make mario fans happy because nintendo is not known for story Um, and I don't care how heavily miyamoto is involved. Miyamoto is not known for telling the story Are making movies. Uh, he worked in the pickman shorts But again The It was slapstick comedy Which is fine for like a two minute short now for an hour and a half plus movie Also, did any of those characters speak? The pickman ones. No, it was it was all minion kind of comedy Yeah, exactly. The pickman don't speak alamar appears to be silent. He has text bubbles Oh, he talks. He just doesn't have a voice acting Right exactly. So did they put it in the shorts? Was he even in the shorts? Oh my gosh um So Whatever, I mean, obviously we don't know if this is happening for sure, but it it seems a pretty based on the sources It seems like it's happening. Um, yeah They said don't expect it soon So it sounds like like the contract's still not finalized yet what they're going to do but An animation takes forever. Yeah, it's probably 2020 It's gonna be a yeah The question is that I want to follow that up with though Is is there any other nintendo franchise that we think should be made for a movie? Maybe even after or in addition to are you? Sure I think an easy follow-up in that same sort of child-friendly style would be a donkey kong movie Not necessarily what I would want, but that I think that would fit that same sort of silly slapstick kind of movie What would you want? What I want Definitely metroid But my fear there is that nobody's is going to be able to do that well So as much as I would want an awesome metroid movie, right? Then again They pulled out the pacilvania show They did but that yeah, I mean that was sort of an anime. That was a show on a movie And that was four episodes too. The nice thing about a show is you get a lot more time To yes build out everything than you'd usually do in a movie Movies have to have I mean unless it's a planned Seer like a like Lord of the Rings trilogy kind of thing where okay, right you you have key points But you know it like this is like a 12-hour experience Especially with the extended editions. So oh more than 12 hours with the extended editions Yeah, I think so because I think every each movie is like five hours long with the extended it's ridiculous You know what sucks? I still haven't seen the extended editions and I love the Lord of the Rings movies You know, that's all that we have now on on blu-ray And I kind of want to go back to the standard editions because every time I want to watch it I'm like, but I don't have four and a half hours to watch one I want to do once just one marathon like one weekend just eat up my whole day And sit down and watch it all because I love those movies so much. They're so good They they were like the hobbit movies were okay But they were a far cry which they were going to be the hobbit book was not Should never been split into three movies. No, there was just wasn't enough in there Like if they condense it to see that's one I could have said like oh if they did like a four part show Like on HBO or something that could have worked really well versus Three movies. I'll just say two movies that I'm like Anyways, um man Metro to be really awesome sci-fi, but It was I just don't know It's another one of those That really until like other m there really hasn't been a lot of deep story per se. It's like Well, I mean there's a story, but like Like a lot of this like isolation by yourself Which can work we see movies that work with like there's not like there's not isolation movies Especially like in the horror genre Yeah, obviously alien which is you know based on Could could be an alien style film I mean they could do a sci-fi horror thriller Isolation kind of movie Yeah, um Metro would be perfect for that like those movies exist. I'm not saying that this can't be done. It's just Yeah, what happens when she opens her mouth? That's what everyone's worried about Well, and she has to want to hear about the baby And she has opened her mouth in the series like she has to open her mouth She has to yeah, of course, you know Depending on who the actress is. I mean you'd obviously have an idea what they're gonna sound like anyways You know, and there's like which actress that's fits that role Would they take it? Yeah It's tough. I mean to me. I want Scarlett Johansson like in every female role ever so Because that's not gonna happen probably um, I It's tough for me. You know, I've talked a lot in the past about zelda movies because of my time in zeldin former And how much I really want a zelda movie or a zelda show like when that when that rumor came out about the live action netflix show I was all about that Yeah, oh my gosh. I was all over that. I know. Oh, but link doesn't oh cares Link's gonna have to talk link actually does factually talk in the games I wrote an editorial on this that i'll probably have to make a video about because people Still keep telling me how much of a silent protagonist he is and i'm like guys. It's a gameplay gimmick Yeah, actually talks in the game. You just don't hear him. Yes. I go to say, oh, what's your name? You think they just figured it out Yeah, exactly his name. It's like, oh your link.  He talks. You just don't see it because it's a It's it's actually a very well known and not as common as it used to be But it's a well known gameplay design to make you in your head feel like you're the character So also not waste your time in your head. You're saying. Oh, i'm linked subconsciously Yeah It's a gameplay gimmick. He actually does talk to the characters in the game right Even though it is funny in Breath of the Wild like and and Zelda's diary that they Kind of explain like he doesn't talk much It was a little bit awkward was like camera focused intensely on him Any normal person would say something. He's completely silent Like I don't I don't know does he like me? He doesn't talk much doesn't talk much. He didn't say he doesn't talk at all Just like noted that like he's so focused on something Like he doesn't open his mouth in a lot of situations um And I mean That was arguably what was cool because it kind of to me I know there's always a debate over is link a character or is link to you um Like that to me like well links very clearly a character because they're portraying him as one like he's squarely focused on This task and it's so monumental that and you you get that in the diaries and everything like how monumental everything is to make like the pressure that's on him Um that he's so scared of screwing it up that he doesn't want to say the wrong thing They could just mess up everything Um very like very intense if you guys haven't experienced that in Breath of the Wild I highly suggest you start going around and reading all these diaries um the king's journal Zelda's diary The diaries of the observatory um There's a lot of deep lore with link about like his character and the kind of person he is and um Especially from zelda's perspective like the immense pressure like as much pressure as zelda is under like links at like this whole different level Right because she's looking to him Yeah, and everyone else and like how his silence actually speaks to the strength of his character because um It's so hard in the situation. He has there's so much pressure on him that you know, yeah, he could say one wrong thing and It all everything's done poof and even in that strength, you know they still a lot and like like the loss and how link probably blames himself for the loss because of all the champions died and um Like it's actually if you look into the lore like this where you get a lot of the lore of it Like you get some of it and you know in ass up But you get the really deep lore in the diaries sort of realize breath of wild is really dark story Yeah, link. Um, it's not like in awkward time where like link is oh, I released I released ganon. It's my fault like I gave ganon access to triforce and the sacred realm Um, it's not like that kind of deep or it's like oops. That was a mistake This is more like no link had a lot of pressure on him and he failed everybody Yeah, um, he didn't do it on purpose. He tried and he failed. He could not win the fight For whatever whatever reason, you know And it's weird because links actually more powerful at that point Then you could argue like you can go beat calamity ganon at the beginning of the game And you're a lot less powerful than link was at that point So it's just really interesting the dynamic there how like hawaii link failed Um, right and like the death of all the champions and like his close relationship with mifo or mifo was in love with him Obviously, that's not happening if links now open in his mouth And that's why everything failed he opened his mouth That's why Just I don't know. I feel like I obviously love zelda, but like there's just so many dark undertones there Um, that I feel like it could make like a really cool movie, but yeah It's the question of do I trust anyone to to get it right like the reason I was except with the netflix It's because netflix has this reputation with their series of just they know what they're doing Exactly, um, and they would treat the ip with such reverence and respect Um, but they would probably nail the casting since they seem to nail always nail the casting and it's probably not going to be It might even be like someone for link and zelda and ganna Might be people that you wouldn't think of and you think are bad fits until you watch the show and you're like holy crap They knew what they were doing like like you can't judge the picks for the show until you know what they're doing with the show Right because the show could very much fit whatever that whatever actor and actresses they picked But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about a movie. So if you're talking about a movie and it's not like a netflix movie Then And the thing is like that's something not netflix movies netflix movies are basically just as good as like going to the theater Um for the most part you have it. I don't think there's been any like super big epic movies Uh, but a lot of a lot of movies you mostly shows. They have movies a lot of b-tier movies Um, you know to give you an example all those adam sandler movies they have um, oh Yeah, like very very b-tier movies not bad movies like like uh Probably the most high-profile one. I think that I could think of from this year.  I I've heard of death. No, but I had no idea what it was Oh, so then I watched the movie and I'm like, you know what you know after I heard some of the complaints I started looking looking into it a little bit like, okay, I see I see what why people who are fans of like The death note and all this stuff like why they didn't like the movie But then you know, I went back and rewatched the movie. I'm like, that's the movie's still not that bad It's just it was it made to appeal to those people. It was made to make death note more mainstream Yeah, the problem is exactly the same with death note is what we're talking about where it's such a masterpiece of a creation How do you get somebody to make it in a totally different medium in a different style and not royally? Basically, I think they knew going into making that one that they weren't going to be able to please Yeah, um, so like look, we're not going to try to we're just going to make this Appealing to a different audience and it worked like it's got really good reviews On on Netflix and everything so like people who watched it Who are majority people don't know the history of death don't like it Um, great and I think that's I think that's okay See that's the I think like whatever movie they do after mario even mario itself It's okay If I don't like it or if you don't like it or like people who are deep into the lore of the stuff don't like it As long as they can find its own audience that it works for and it works very well for like the big thing We have to know movies and tv shows is that when it's a translation of video games We always think as gamers it has to appeal to us But does it because so many people they're going to go to have never played these games They saw the trailers and think it looks cool So I mean yes and no because It if we say it doesn't have to appeal to us essentially that means We've given up on trying to get a movie that we'll like from that franchise Well, it's a little sad No, I don't think giving up. I don't say giving up. I think what I mean is that We're talking about the original takes right the high the high risk of the original takes Is that it could potentially not appeal to us like say Say they they made a mario movie like they're like they're apparently doing and it's got this really deep intense story that mario's never had before um, and we don't like it Because we don't feel like it fits with the mario franchise But then you have this whole other side of it where you have these people that they know what mario is They don't really play the games And they're like this is a really good story And like I can't be mad at them for liking it because I didn't like what did I expect? um, it it's The thing is is I almost wondered like does the movie really need to like I don't want to say give up on something appealing Like the castlevania show very good Um, you know appeal to me I'm not even the biggest castlevania fan And that's the thing does it appeal to me because i'm not the biggest castlevania fan Or does it appeal to me because I know enough about the series that it lined up? Well, I don't know I didn't I didn't go to other castlevania fans and be like hey, did you like this show? I don't care it's like like I didn't know the super mario bro show was bad till other people started telling me it was bad I'm like really I like it Oh, this is all the cartoon series that's supposed to be bad really I liked it so it's like I understand there's obviously a different taste out there, but it's The problem with any video game movies you have to remember it's never going to appeal to everyone Uh, in the moment you can accept that you have to realize what are we trying to do? Are we just trying to make a good movie or are we trying to make a good movie that also appeals to the people who play the game? Because I think there's two separate things. I think the death note movie on netflix is a good movie But it's not a good movie that appeals to death note fans so What what I think you can't really get both spectrum I don't think we've gotten necessarily a good movie that also appeals to fans of that like Like say the resident evil movies which are maybe the best movies out there like for a video game adaption original story A lot of people fans don't even like the movies They just appealed to a crowd of people because they were good. They were decent to good movies so it's like That's not really an example of a good video game adaption either if you're talking about one That's a good movie that also appeals to the fans of the franchise um It's like tomb raider like my dad loves the tomb raider movies has never once played a tomb raider game um So it's like okay That I mean that's totally fine. He is welcome to like this one. I don't know maybe likes it because of angelina joly beats me but um, it's I like when I think of like a nintendo ip like Whenever I think of what nintendo franchise translates well to a movie. I always think well, it's gotta be an ip that's heavy in story um, you know, you can think of games like fire emblem Oh, yes, but his fire emblem a big enough franchise to want to make a movie out of um I'm gonna throw another weird one in there like I keep bringing it up F zero is kind of known for its weird characters and sometimes having a story Amphis is on the sometimes Yes, I mean it has a Kind of sort of it has it has a story. It's just Yeah, no one remembers the story of you I remember the gp legend on gba There was like a story for each character that you played and they were like inter lacing with the other characters It was kind of crazy, but it's like they they took time to build the lore into this racing game like a lot of it All right, so we threw some examples out there obviously uh for our listeners and viewers out there feel free down in the comments Let us know uh What games do you think would make good movies or shows live action animated? What studios we're not gonna dive into like oh, who should we hire for actors? Because let's just be honest We could all make our dream cast for whatever movie we want But we're not movie directors or movie writers or movie creators and that cast might totally fail In fact, when you think about a lot of dream like our dream casting where you put together like your Favorite celebrities for certain roles. How many of those movies that smash together a bunch of celebrities actually work out? Not very many Sometimes you have too many stars for the roles that they play Um, uh, it does work in the thing like Avengers, but again, they all have their individual movies Um, that kind of build Arguably they weren't really All big stars before Avengers, you know I mean Scarlett Johansson was already big Samuel L Jackson was big Yeah, but he was like a smaller character Robert Downey jr. Was big. Yes, but yeah, that's that's about it And the other main character is really big before then I always forget the name of the guy the guy put captain america. He was in some some bigger He was in some stuff, but like he wasn't like a big name. It's just the movies themselves bombed Like prior to Avengers people wouldn't have been like, oh, yeah, chris evans one of my top favorite celebrities You know what I mean? I mean that he was just a smaller name out there that was in some cool movies Like scott pilgrim one of my favorites. It is. Yep. Yep. He was in there. Ah I'm trying to think of who I'm trying to think of the other Actors and actresses in there I Obviously the guy who plays hulk was it wasn't a big big one. I mean I was the only movie we've ever made as tanked. So Yeah, um, but it works in the Avengers, which is fine Yeah, the ranger is definitely the best hulk movie made so far Yeah, uh, yeah, I guess it's one of those. Um Yeah, I mean I'm just thinking of things like yeah, chris pratt. It's kind of a big deal But was he a super big deal before guardians of the galaxy happened and drastic park I knew of him, you know, but I keep thinking like did he really have any super big role to make him like You know, he's still not even now Like robber donner jr It's kind of like those were the two and semi l jackson like those three were kind of like these are mega stars Yes, exactly.   It's like yeah, he is Yeah, it's like that's the one like a dream casting that it's like Every movie you've ever seen him as he's Tony Stark. Yeah That's the thing like when they talked about oh his contract's gonna be up and we have to replace him. It's like, you know You can't replace him. Yeah At this point, I don't think any of the main adventures can be replaced. Um, It'd be tough You know, like Chris Evans talks about how he wants to be dumb being captain america and it's like Yeah, but that's fine if they retire captain america, but like you can't Right ever bring in another captain america not not like you'd have to reboot not Steve rogers So you have to be a different character. Yeah, you'd have to reboot the whole franchise and you're not going to do that for like 20 years so Because you got to give enough time Between reboots to bring it back Yeah, they'll probably fill the timing between with some of the smaller superheroes Yeah, it's not like the spider-man or the batmans were like they reboot like those ones are normally rebooted um Like the black panther isn't the the doctor strangers. Yeah, and that's what's nice is I feel like they're expanding into those more um And even you know guardians of the galaxy itself, you know, I mean there's they're expanding You know, they're bringing in other parts of the universe. I think to take some of the pressure off of the heaven Okay, we have to have another iron man We have to have another Thor even though Thor just came out and it's so far as the highest reviewed movie of that whole Of all of them really? Yes, the highest rated. I haven't even seen it yet. I haven't seen it either I'm hopefully I'm hoping to get to it this weekend but Because I have just heard nothing but good things like I've heard that okay It's a there's a little bit like a little bit too much comedy in it um Which you know to me seems weird, but then I'm like, yeah, the only movies I really expect comedy from are Guardians of the galaxy because that's just that that's just the way Star Lord is um, but but he was like that in the comics too. So it's like that's just his personality and then uh Tony Stark is always gonna had his Hit his own kind of comedy to him Um, but that's about it. I don't expect like Thor to be comedic Like he's not that comedic at all. Yeah, he's almost like too serious So I think that's probably why like there's a little clashing with the way Thor has been even though he's had some moments You know and like all the Avengers have had their moments But like he's had his moments, but like apparently there's a little too much of it Like when that's the only complaint and everything on top is like dude, this movie's amazing. I'm like Okay, well, you're telling me it's better than the Avengers movie. So I have to I have to see it No, I was gonna see it anyways. I was gonna wait to rent it, but I'm like, well, nope Guess I'm going to another Marvel movie And I actually think Chris Hemsworth is super funny. Oh, he can be he can be I really enjoyed him in Ghostbusters. I thought he was the funniest person in that movie And I know that we're talking about something totally unrelated not to Nintendo, but it Yeah, I gotta I gotta say early Justice League reviews not looking good Really? No Oh boy, I'm gonna see it tomorrow. So not not looking what happens We'll see it's one of those things. I think it people are gonna view it as better than what it's reviewed because that's usually the way it goes Um, but there's still gonna be it. I was like, yeah, that's not it didn't work like Avengers did Which honestly, it probably shouldn't work as well as Avengers because there's so little like Avengers had had Let me think was Iron Man Thor Um Iron Man Thor Captain America Black Widow Hawkeye Yeah, but but I mean they had um a successful Iron Man successful Thor Successful even though I know some people don't think like the Thor movies were that good until this new one Um, and then Captain America the first one was like two of those three movies be super super successful before they ever released a Avengers movie. Yep So like you already had hype from having good movies leading into this movie versus like Wonder Woman's all the hype in the world, but like Batman vs Superman wasn't well received No, your Suicide Squad wasn't well received That one I disagree on Suicide Squad I'm not saying that it's bad. I know I know I was really bad. Well, not well received very well, right. Um, I don't think there's gonna be another one No, I don't think so either, but I think that's that's sad. It is sad. I thought it was pretty good Um, I expected to be absolute trash and because my expectation was that low. I came out thinking Well, that's pretty good. I tell people they should I was just having this conversation with my fiance the other day um Guys, I have this this outlook on life that if you notice I like a lot of things that people think are bad um I used to have high expectations of things in the past And I got I was let down so much that I started to hate life. It was the kind of depressing Not just of movies like of everything in life like high expectations that even myself And getting down on myself for like not achieving what I felt like I could have achieved um Like I can even I can you know, like oh, I don't I don't make enough money off my youtube channel at the end of this year to live off of it I'm a failure. I should quit But that's not my outlook on life anymore. A lot of this happened, you know through therapy and stuff I went through in the past when I was clinically depressed, but um My outlook on life now is pretty simple and it's why a lot of people think I'm still laid back And maybe it's why some of you guys love love me on this channel so much um My outlook right now is I expect everything to be terrible I expect like the worst possible situation for everything out there like I must say like I wasn't like I don't get hyped I was hyped for odyssey. I was hyped for for zella, but the bat in the back of my mind I'm like, yeah, but these games could be terrible Like they're taking big risks here and it could just not work So by the way, I'm like, yeah, like high reviews all the hype, but You I kind of had that that tinge thought that it could be bad And when it ends up not being bad or it ends up not being as bad as I fear I end up starting to think it's good You know, there's a lot of things in life that everyone's like, oh, this is really really bad. Then I go watch. I'm like, uh, I wasn't that bad And that's sort of the way my life goes like even you know, even now it annoys my pants It's magical and be like, man, this house is trashed. I'm like really You know how bad this house could have been So like we have a house.  This doesn't bother me Uh, I was living out of my car like eight years ago and now I have a Okay, the house might be well, I'm sure the dishes are done. I guess I If that's our most stressful thing of the day, we're in a pretty good life Yeah, um, so it's kind of it's one of those situations where I started viewing everything that way like when I make a video This is a fun fact every video I make That's so funny to see but every video I make it in center prime I don't expect it to get more than a hundred views Now I should expect it to get more than a hundred views at this point. I should be down right disappointed if it only gets a hundred views Um, because I realize right now most of my videos are only get over a thousand to get two thousand to three thousand views Occasionally want to blow up. I know that and I'm not gonna say I've never been disappointed with things in life There's videos, you know that I thought uh, well, you know, it'll do at least a thousand and then only did 500 and I'm like So I'm not saying that I never get down on myself But it's so infrequent because my expectations are just so low Like even when I say, oh, yeah, I just expect this to get a thousand And most of the time when I think that oh, it's gonna get You know four it ends up getting four thousand five thousand Um, I'm not saying that this makes me an extremely happy person all the time because I'm not but I'm content Really really content a lot Um, and I think that's the way I am with the bad movies or even bad games or I'm like Yeah, like like battlefront 2 Like the reason that upset me so much early in the podcast. Um, isn't because I had super high expectations per se I just have a strong desire for a good star wars game And I was hoping that this would be the one but I I expected it not to be good because of the loot boxes But I was still you know one of those but I want it to be good And when you want some maybe so bad Or maybe it's good if I don't buy loot boxes anyway Yeah, well right now it's for me Once the bugs are ironed out on the versions that I played Okay, like I'll probably think it's it's a good game like like some people always get mad at me like Oh, how do you not get mad about loot boxes? I'm like, I get mad about this stuff. I think it sucks in premium games, but Nothing I say or do is going to prevent it from happening Um, the reality is there's enough people that spend money on that stuff that it's going to exist And you can say oh speak with your wallet and just don't buy the game. That's fine. They don't care if I buy the game The people that are going to spend money on that loot boxes are going to buy the game So The they're going to exist no matter what there's nothing we can do about it There's literally nothing we can do about it There's no amount to speaking with my wallet you speak them with your wallet That's going to prevent it because there's too many people that don't don't care Yeah So because they don't care because they're going to spend money on the loot boxes because I say this about people and I guess we can we can say that we're transitioning into random time right now um I'll say this I say this about people We Right now like probably our primary audience at Nintendo Prime We grew up during an era of gaming that was vastly different than what my kids are growing up in Um, man, I grew up before smart devices I grew up before we you know not that loot boxes have not you know weren't around way back going But they were really really rare and they were called something else Um, you didn't have them in a lot of games.  That wasn't even so much on like console games If there was something new for console games, there's no internet connection. So you would just Get a sequel to a game So I that's why when dlc first came in I I wasn't as mad about it I'm like, well consoles have the internet now. So I've been experiencing this on pc forever. It wasn't new It was just call it wasn't called dlc. It was called expansion packs Great and expansion packs were pricey.  I'm like, I probably not the infamous horse armor So I kind of always say this is that everyone's growing up in different eras of gaming Uh, the people that are growing up in gaming right now like my kids They're growing up in the smart device era And they're growing up in the freemium era Which means that a lot of games they're going to experience throughout their lives are going to be on smart devices And because of that the popular thing on those smart device things are micro transactions loop boxes and ads Because that's how a lot of those games are free to try As I like to say and they make money through all these other means So they're growing up in an era where loop boxes don't really feel that bad Uh micro transactions.  He is so good Uh, and that's the thing like that game full of micro transactions full of Little ways that it kind of pickpockets you and wants money now He obviously doesn't have you know, he's just playing up to the free point he can Because I haven't you know, I was thinking about maybe for Christmas buying like full versions of some of the newer angry bird games for him um but again that of course supports that model and That model's not going anywhere because the companies obviously a lot of a lot of companies release games on phones Only a handful end up being really successful But when they find a success like an angry birds or a candy crush or flappy bird or whatever the case may be Like it's not just a little success. It's multi-billion dollar success on one game Yeah, it's crazy And that's why like like even arena valor coming out like massively popular under a different name Uh on mobile devices in china making 10 cent a billion dollar company off a one game Uh, that's the thing like it's not going anywhere because even though it's hard to be successful If you become successful, you're instant you're instantly like a nintendo or an ea or an ubisoft Like you instantly have that kind of cash flow so nuts That's why that market and that designs are going anywhere and that's why And there's plenty of games like I play uh like task force baseball I don't know if they make billions every year But they make enough to maintain the MLB license. They make enough to keep releasing the game every year Uh, and that's pretty intrusive and has loopbacks like mechanics in it and microtransactions it's It's a thing where this is the era people are growing up in and a lot of us will be like, yeah, but those are in free games Or like one dollar games But that's not the way the audience going up. They just said that's that's what that's what's in games That's not what's in free games. That's what's in games When they see that there and then they come to buy a 40 dollar ds game or a 60 dollar game You know or a 20 dollar, you know Indie game or something and they see that same mechanics that they're used to anyway is already in those games It's just that's just the way gaming is And we can hate that direction.  Yes, we should but This is where when some people say they have grown out of games It's usually because gaming has changed Right and maybe that's just what's happening now the new generation is coming in New way of monetizing. I'm not saying you should accept it. I'm not saying you should like it But I'm saying that's the way gaming's going and there's nothing you could do to stop it You could try as hard as you want to desperately stop it But it's making billion dollar companies out of no name people It's not going here So because of that because of you know what you might call a sad reality You could just be growing out of game Or gaming's growing out of you. However, you want to look at it. You'll always have your classics to play But And you should play them. You should but but that's kind of where I'm at with uh With with that and that's why like I don't get as upset about micro transactions about loot boxes Because like I know that that's where gaming's going. There's nothing I could do to stop it I couldn't stop dlc not that I wanted to I wanted to stop some of the bad dlc Uh, but like I always say like dude when they do dlc, right? It's awesome. I mean the witcher three. That's dlc done, right? Mmm, but not every game does that right, you know, what what they're doing with zelda We're hoping this dlc done, right? We haven't really seen like the main part of this season pass that was supposed to be worth the money Um, yeah, we're hoping it's worth the money. I assume it's going to be worth the money But we don't know yet like I bought it blindly on faith Like I like zelda, so I'm gonna like it Me too But like it is when I think back on it might be up. What was that really worth $20 time? It might not be But they got my money anyways They keep delaying it. You might not want to come back if it's been like a year. It's always funny Like when I hear people say oh what nintendo does dlc, right? I'm like They have in the past I don't know if they're still doing it, right? You could it depends what's right to you is selling individual characters and smash bros sounds a lot like street fighter five Yeah, no that that one I wouldn't say it was the right but it worked and they made a ton of money and they're gonna do it again And it also wasn't the worst approach because I I totally bought characters. Well, that's I loved like some of the classic levels The the thing is You could say is it not the worst approach or is it you accepted it because it's a game you like Like when people complain about this stuff potato potato Oh, I don't like call of duty. So like the fact they're charging for zombie mode or for this and that like that's bad on you Or I don't like EA so bad on you bad on you, but if it happens through a game you like You're just like hey, whatever It's good. I'm glad they're adding that character. Yeah, whatever it takes to inject that game If they didn't charge for it the character just won't exist That's the excuse now like uh Well, why should I be mad at them because if they didn't charge for it Wouldn't be ever gotten new characters and added after the fat and smash. I'm like you're right You're right. You're you're completely right um But arms gets new characters added for free Yeah, like I think the only DLC games that they add characters for free They add, you know new items for free, but in smash. No because smash is popular smash has an ingrained audience They know they can abuse that smash audience And sell characters and sell maps like they know they could they're literally doing what these other games are doing That they'll same fans will chastise for but it's a game they like so they defend it Um, and that's I mean that's just a general thing in gaming that happens a lot I can't tell you how many times I've had people tell me how much better Nintendo is and I'm like I'm telling you give it three years Nintendo's gonna have loot boxes in one of their games if they don't already I think the only thing that uh really had good dlc was mario kart 8 The or is your mario kart 8? Yeah, sure because the game that you got was a full fledged mario kart experience With the same number of tracks you always expect Good amount of characters good amount of like the same like it was literally what mario kart's always always been Yep, it was great And and then doubled it.  I mean even hyrule warriors was highly touted as hey that dlc was pretty jam packed Mm-hmm, and I get that I'm not saying they don't have good dlc But I'm also saying that it doesn't mean that everything they do is good Right, you know fire emblem heroes Yep, that's very much Exactly what most mobile games are and that's basically loot boxes, too It's making them way more Yeah, there you go example. They already have a loot box game. I understand it's on phones People think that's more acceptable, but fire emblem heroes is making them more money than any other mobile game pokemon go Right and pokemon go is like the most popular mobile game to ever exist So like comparing to that it's pretty difficult Yes, but like it's more popular than super mario run I mean look at animal crossing pocket edition has micro transactions and you can argue Oh, but the argument is oh the micro transactions aren't that bad because Uh, you can get most of the stuff with in-game currency. Isn't that the exact same defense? Everyone says what every game of micro transactions. You can get you can get the currency in game It's the same thing It's literally the exact same thing but because you like animal crossing because the game looks good You're just saying oh, whatever Now besides the fact that most people even if you're not the person like you have the patience because animal crossing is always kind of in a game of patience So like you have the patience to wait and try to get everything in game Even if you find out it's impossible to get everything in game without buying currency um You have that you have that kind of patience. Well, guess what most people that play mobile games like the white whales They don't have that kind of patience They're just going to buy the currency and get their stuff now Yeah, and nintendo is going to run events. It's going to make people want to do it. There's going to be like A weekend only event That you can only get x item on that weekend And that's going to encourage people to buy currency because you're not going to be able to earn enough currency Um to get those exclusive items they're going to do it because animal crossing already does it They just don't charge anything Um, yeah, you just miss out on the item Well, people aren't going to want to miss out on the item So they're going to spend like animal crossing is very much going to be exploitive um, but that's also the way games are now and When you look at switch, um nintendo hasn't done I guess anything so far with a switch game that's too terrible But it's also year one coming off their worst console of all time They need to build goodwill Yeah And that's what they're doing. They're building goodwill Uh, which is why I think the the zealot dlc is going to end up being good because they're going to want people to think All their dlc is going to be good Uh, and it's probably not smash rolls is probably going to come out.  That's not 3ds There's micro transactions and dlc all over that game Yeah, granted I can argue you don't need to buy anything to have fun I I don't I haven't played fates, but I played a lot of awakening which had some of this paywall dlc stuff that I hated Um, I hated it when I saw in dragon age, but whatever and then when I saw a fire I'm like really nintendo's doing it now And I hated it then but there's plenty of people like oh, it's not to be it's just four dollars here I'm like that's four dollars here four dollars there five dollars here ten dollars here next thing You know you just spent over a hundred dollars on a 40. Yeah, so it's like a 40 dollar game But it's acceptable to you. Well the content's good It's acceptable because you like it the same the same excuses you're giving For why it's okay there the exact excuses for people who like the other games and say it's okay there It's Stockholm syndrome. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what it is it's I don't know. I know I'm just going on a little rant here about it, but it's just This is why like I don't get upset about the stuff because I'm like look if I find it acceptable in this game Then why am I complaining about it being another game? right I think it would be an interesting experiment if a company released the same game two different ways Like hey, if you really don't mind micro tracks transactions in and while crossing like you say Then you can have this free version of the game with micro transactions or If you actually do care about these micro transactions and you don't want them Here's the 40 dollar version of animal crossing. Which one are you gonna buy? up to you I think we would see once they have the choice not to have micro transactions They would choose not to have them but because they don't have the choice They think in their mind. Oh, this is fine. These transactions are okay. I don't think so You don't think so, huh?  They they see a 40 dollar price tag versus free to download $40 to download. They're getting the free version Yeah, I guess Thinking. Oh, I'll only spend five dollars on it or they might just think I'm never gonna need to spend money I'm gonna be able to beat it without spending money And if it is all those be five dollars you have five dollars there won't be a big deal like you just said Yeah, but like that's the thing that's those are the games people are growing up on right now So when they grow up on that experience, it's like This is why some people say oh video games are too expensive Well factually video games beyond the micro transactions like just the base price of video games Is cheaper than it's ever been Right considering inflation. Yeah, considering inflation. And they were like, oh, look, that's a bad argument No, it's not no 60 bucks When I bought like opening up time for 60 bucks back when I was a kid in the 90s Oh my god 60 bucks at 60 bucks with inflation today. I'd be able to buy like five different games I I have a worse one for you I as a kid was an unfortunate soul who looked at the game and thought Oh, that's got to be fun. I'm gonna buy it and it was 80 dollars and it was superman 64 Oh So you say 80 bucks. Oh my god Superman the Superman.  I got a force myself to play it. Yep. Uh, it's Thing is like that's like and nowadays, you know, we do have indie games and cheaper stuff that weren't necessary Like even beats your games back there were 60 bucks Uh, whereas now like, you know, you'll have Sonic come over 40 or whatever. Um Yeah, which that's a 20 Are you, you know that It's I don't even know I haven't played it yet. So I'm I'm not gonna judge it till I try it. I know I'll try it eventually There's really good fan service and that's that's the best thing about the game I mean it's going on sale on black friday. So I might take bite the bullet then just to try it out for 25 bucks um But yeah, I don't know. It's just kind of I guess that's my my random time topic. I wanted to bring up is just uh That I guess I'm less bothered by a lot of this stuff because I've seen the way the industry is going I understand why people are upset about it. I understand why I'm like I I Am my little star wars video, you know, I complain about the loot boxes But I that's not really my primary complaint. I went to come if that was the only issue a better from two I would have never made the video Because I understand why companies are doing it Easy allies actually recently did a podcast where they had this lawyer message in from from hogue whatever whatever company it is um, and he basically said that like especially in the west Legally companies are required to implement this stuff because they are a publicly traded company and they have um A financial responsibility. Basically. There's a legal term for it. I forgot what it's called It's like a fiduciary responsibility or whatever to their stockholders to do whatever would make them the most money on their investment basically everyone that works on the board They All what what they really are are like investors for your money So you get your trusted that board with your money by buying stock and their job As the people who you entrusted your money to with that stock is to return to you as big a profit as possible On your investment And yeah, if they did not do that if they did not explore loot boxes If they did not do x y and z to maximize profits, which is clearly working in like the mobile space if they did not do that You could be sued by those stockholders for not doing your duty to maximize profits That stinks and because of that and you could be like, oh well done those greedy of the course. They're greedy They invested in the company to make money Yeah, people forget I've been bringing this up a lot lately. It feels like Video game industry exists to make money Yep, it's an entertainment industry I don't know what it is about it that people seem to think of the video game companies like Their friends and oh, they're looking out for me. You know, they're they're trying to add the features that I want because They like their fans with Nintendo fans And like I'm I'm as big a Nintendo fan as I come I've literally covered Nintendo for a living But it's like I realized that they don't care about me They don't care about you they just want my money Yep, like oh, well this is my odyssey is this love letter to It's a love letter to get people to get their wallets out Yeah, they're trying to build I just literally said why aren't we seeing as much dlc and micro transaction stuff with current switch games from Nintendo because they know they need to build up their reputation Yeah, their goal right now is just to sell as many switches as they can Once they do that you're going to start seeing the smash bros that's charging for characters the fire emblem That's charging, you know for little micro dlcs throughout the game. Those games are coming Heck don't be surprised if pokemon does it after the success of pokemon go Don't be surprised if pokemon on switch has micro transactions inside You aren't the best pokeballs to guarantee Your catch of that legendary that you only is going to appear once per year You better spend money and buy that pokeball Yes, don't be surprised. It's going to happen because it's profitable Yeah, yep, and people will be like, oh, it's not that bad. You don't have you're right You don't have to but that's that's the excuse again everyone gets so it's just I I obviously passionately get angry about this stuff But I also understand I try to my best to always understand the business side of things This is an ever-evolving business gaming budgets are getting bigger than they've ever been Consistently getting there even at nintendo as much as I talked about how nintendo is really fiscally responsible Their gaming budgets today are still massively bigger than they were 20 years ago So Even like making a game like, you know, the new yoshi and kirby game Those games are more expensive to make than they were on the super nintendo Yeah Well, that's what's in like like yeah, the budgets are still relatively small Compared to most games, but it's still relatively huge compared to what it used to cost So like even for nintendo the games are more expensive. They just manage their budget No, they just manage things differently Which is very very smart of them Which is you know, I made a video about that how a lot of western studios should start looking at how nintendo structures their company In terms of not laying off a bunch of people And hiring a bunch of people for a little like three months um I don't know how well that would work in the west obviously because a lot of people like those contract jobs and below There are benefits to contract jobs like that um A lot of personal freedom so maybe you can even sign multiple contracts work at multiple companies at once um, it's kind of crazy but I just think that people need to Realize that this is a for-profit business um, all these companies are doing are looking for the best way to Monetize their games and make the most amount of money they've had weekend. This includes nintendo Like when people are like, well if nintendo just care about money, they won't make hardware anymore nintendo's stubborn In their history they have made more money off of hardware than they've ever made off of software So to them hardware is the key to making the most amount of money Now we can argue there's evidence out there like ea and ubi software. You can make more money just making software But Nintendo doesn't know that internally. We know how stubborn they are just look at their online system still Like we know how stubborn nintendo gets So they keep making hardware because they view that as the most profitable way uh to build their business and As much as you want to argue against it right now nintendo's worth more money than sony Yeah, that's crazy so Company that does one thing Yeah, but like they're worth more than sony. They're not gonna be worth more than microsoft But they're worth more than sony.  Of course, i'm not gonna say that because well playstation is their most profitable venture right now Guess what nintendo switches nintendo's more profitable venture right now Yeah Same argument exists for nintendo right now So it's just crazy to me like i don't know i'm uh, and here's the thing I'm not going to tell you game developers don't care about games They want to make good games.    I'm from nintendo prime I rely on nintendo doing well for the popularity of my content Um, or if they're doing bad Doing bad in a way that I can criticize them without pissing off every nintendo fan out there Um, which is basically impossible. I've pissed off tons of fans and I don't care I've driven away a lot of fans from my channel because people think I'm a nintendo hater Um, then people think I you know i'm all up on nintendo's jack And then there's some of you guys out there that recognize no I praise nintendo when they deserve it I criticize them when they deserve it I try to be as even keel as I can because nintendo owes me nothing Um, a lot of a lot of I think our treatment out there comes from one We want to justify our purchases and two we feel entitled We have to remember it's not just that video games is a for-profit business video games are a luxury item They're not something you need to survive They're not clothes and a coat that keeps you warm and warm in the winter. It's not shelter. It's not food You know, it's not an education that can help you support your family It's a completely optional thing in life that nobody needs to survive Like movies like watching tv, you know, why does some people know not not have cable and You know, but way back. I mean a lot of people on netflix now But even before that what why did so many people just not have cable because it was expensive It was a luxury item. You don't need it You only got it if you could afford it But that's the same thing with video games It's a luxury item to have access to video games to be able to purchase video games means that you're in part privileged to be able to Get those games and that's not a bad thing It's really not and I'm not saying like, you know, you're privileged like oh You're you're living the highlight for whatever like I don't live the greatest. So I paycheck the paycheck over here, man Um, it just so happens that video games are why I get a paycheck but um, I'm paycheck to paycheck like Technically if my job wasn't video games, I won't be buying a lot of video games But thankfully it is because I love video games. I somehow turned my hobby into a job but That's not that's not the path for everyone, you know So I think just sometimes you have to put everything gaming as a whole in perspective Why companies are doing these things? Uh, why I'm not saying you should care about it But why no matter how much you complain, it's not going to matter All of us that are complaining grew up in an era that is totally different than what teenagers and the new youth are growing up in today um And stop like when you want to defend nintendo for their dlc, but you'll criticize other companies just stop If you think it's bad for other companies, it's also bad when nintendo is doing it And I think that's just where I'm going to leave it like let's just as a whole let's stop shilling For companies. I don't like praise them when you think they deserve praise But then don't also praise them for things you criticize other companies for Right that I think that's what bothers me the most about like oh, that's just the fanboys like then my entire channel is fanboys Right because like they'll literally be in like like How many people right now have been oh, okay wait for this dlc for for breath of the wild that will turn around and bash dlc for other games It's like right Oh, why is it okay for zelda Again talk to before you like that those games you want more of it You're basically proving the entire point of the existence of these systems on other games And eventually how there's a lot of people that like the loot boxes and fire and loam heroes They like how that works. So it's like yeah, yeah But you're gonna criticize it in battlefront 2 and overwatch and all these other games But on the side we're doing it in fire loam heroes Yeah, again when you like something it's suddenly okay, so I don't know that's kind of I'm gonna end my topic. Do you have any random topic you want to bring up?  I'm not surprised I'm surprised the choice of game.  It's entertaining It's like something that doesn't have any substance at all.  Yeah Show him, you know, get it getting in a relationship with the ape And and having these these deep feelings for him probably Rescued him and saved him and raised him and like I get it like that's a that's a cute story But that's fine That's how he's involved because the thing gets injected. It's also the new and like goes or doesn't get injected But like falls off a plane for some reason. Yeah, one of those Oh, I just accidentally fell off a plane and now everything's mutating But when we touch it as humans, nothing happens This is pretty much exactly plan of the apes though the the reboot with James Franco It's basically You start, um, but I don't know.  Shooter funny hicks. Maybe they can't do it because of stereotypes these days. I don't know, but At least there's like some substance there that you could try to make a story around Like there's no subs