Hi everybody it's Sam at Mixed Up Craft, thank you for watching my tutorial today. I'm going to be showing you how to make this really pretty. I'm going to call it a pop-up display card because I think it is that it's something to be displayed. This is what I'm calling a show stopper card and that's why I've done this one for a wedding because I think it's that special that I mean come on who wouldn't want to receive that it's beautiful. So I've used the bright rose butterfly here so you've got the back of the butterfly and then I've used this lovely sparkle. I'm thinking I might make the body pink so again you'll see if I do that in the photos. It's got the forever and always. I'll show you all the papers that I've used for this one and then it's got this greyboard or chipboard base which I have used my metal corners just to protect it and then on the back you have this lovely message which is one of the Christina Griffith sentiments and again I'll show you that in a moment. I've continued the same theme on the back so it all ties together and then the great thing is is that this one folds completely flat like this and then I have this matching envelope which I've done in a very similar way. I'm going to turn it over because it's always better to put your anything detailed, pop it in your envelope upside down and that way you won't risk getting anything caught. It all folds flat and nice and compact in your envelope there so that is what we're going to be making today. I'll quickly show you what I used for that card because I'm doing a different style today. So this is the butterfly and it's from the butterfly band die set from bright rosa. This is the sentiments which I've shared before it's a really lovely one and it's got that beautiful you know wedding or engagement anniversary kind of sentiment there and then you've seen me use these other ones as well but all that will be linked below and then it's this paper pack here so it's the paper addicts forever and always. It's a really pretty pack and I will share a playlist with those cards. I think I've done two cards possibly now and I'll share that there if not I'll just share the card on its own using that one. Okay so for today's card I'm going to be using this stamp set which was free in one of the creative stamping magazines from May 2017. It is one of my favorite stamp sets and I actually made my favorite all-time card with this one. Some of you may remember this one it's the original floating pop box card. It's a really popular card style that I've done and many of you have made your versions of it but it is using this die set sorry this stamp set and I love it. I love coloring it it's just something about this if someone says to me what's your favorite card this is the one so I never gave it away I've kept this one and I've you know I made this well it would have been around May 2017 so this is the card here and it's gorgeous and I'll share that card style up there as well if you've missed it because it's really easy to make but you'll see there that sailor he looks like he's floating. Now the reason I pulled it out again because lots of you always ask where the products from that I use craft stash actually have this set on there because creative stamping is part of practical publishing and they also are part of craft stash so they have this on their website and they split it into two halves a bit like I have mine stored actually and I believe they're £3.99 each which I think is really good because this is an A4 stamp set and they always say they're worth about £20 or something in the magazine so I will link it below it is a lovely stamp set because you have so many lovely elements to kind of tie together so I thought it would look really good for this card. The sentiment for the back so I've already done it here wishing you the best day ever and that's from this one here which is the Daisy, Ditzy and Dotty it's Craftwork cards that doesn't make any sense oh here we are sorry of course it is it's Daisy Ditzy and Dotty I guess but yeah three me then I thought it was meant to be on something else anyway paper pad I'm using is this one it's another favorite whenever I'm making any kind of underwater theme cards I don't know if it's still available it's from the works but I will link it if possible because I know there's some other websites that do also stock this make and create they're lovely papers okay we'll go through all the detail towards the end but I've already gone ahead and colored all of my pieces using the these are using the Arteza twi markers and I would have already shared a kind of review on them but look how lovely these images are and these pens are actually really nice they're like a felt tip but they're blendable really nice to use so I will link in a quick high speed video of me coloring in these stamps now I want a piece that's 11 by 11 so I've just selected this nice wave effect and it has that kind of droplet look on the back but this is going to be the envelope front so we'll get to that at the end okay so for the main card you want a piece that's five and a half by 11 and three quarters which is the default a4 length please make sure it is closer to the 11 and three quarters because that last quarter inch is going to be your tab okay so along the long side you want to score it five and a half seven and a half nine and a half and 11 and a half okay you'll see that I've got this quarter inch tab so just fold and burnish those score lines because this is going to come around we're going to put double sided tape or liquid glue and it's going to stick on like so then you want a piece of acetate that's going to come off that and this measures four and three quarters by three and along the four and three quarter side you want to score a quarter of an inch and two and a quarter okay and you'll notice your acetate will naturally kind of lift up so just go with that and fold and burnish okay so you will have this shape so you'll have this little quarter inch tab here and then this longer piece and this will be a two inch section here all right we'll go into that in a bit more detail in a moment then you've got some layers because you kind of want to stick well most of these down actually before you actually can put it together because it's a bit easier so this one here is your main kind of back piece if you imagine that's going to be like that okay now you can do it as one big piece but I like having that as a separate separate frame and then the piece inside here as a separate frame okay so it's entirely up to you so this piece measures you'll see what I mean when we put it together five and a quarter by three and a quarter and then I have this piece these are all the same size but I've done this one because it's going to go on the bottom and we put this cube together this one's going to go in here so this these are optional these pieces again once you see me put it together you can decide what you want but because then this is going to be the base I just thought it was nice to have the two kind of same together so it's optional but you want four pieces that are one and three quarters by five and a quarter so they're all the same width okay so then these ones will go one on the top one on the front make sure I get my waves the right way that way and then this one will go on the back inside so I like that that one's framed separately to this one but if you want to do one big piece then you would need a piece that's five and a quarter by five and a quarter because this is a five and a half by five and a half square okay so what we do is we stick those and actually do your back as well it's just the base that's the last bit so this here is a piece of five and a quarter by five and a quarter and this is five by five so stick your sentiment or stamp your sentiment story stick it over there and then you'll stick that whole piece to the back here and then I'm going to stick my pieces that are going to go inside here so when you bring it around okay this is your top one with the tab this bottom one here is where I'm going to stick this blue one so inside here it's just a bit easy to do while it's flat if you want to you know hold on until it's together so you know exactly where you're going then you can so I'm just popping that one in there and then one of these is going to go here and I'm just going to stick it right down so it's got the same border as this piece so if you look here there's my score line I've got that one eighth of an inch I want to do that the same this side of the score line that way when you stick it down and you bring this over and around it will create the same border again if you want to wait till it's together you can I just think it's a bit easier to stick it all when it's flat so I think they're that way up yeah so I'm going to bring that one down so I'm just basically just making sure it looks the same as this one here like so okay so you should have your tab at the bottom then two that are empty one where you put your decorative paper and then one which is within that five and a half by five and a half square okay then I'm going to grab some of my thin red tapes this is a quarter inch red liner tape and you're going to run it over that tab so it should be exactly the same size as the tape if you don't have this thin tape then use a liquid glue okay now the easiest way to stick this is you've got one two three okay stick this over the first one and then this piece is going to come right over okay so basically you're just folding over the one with the tab and that one just fold one over okay then bring that whole one over on itself and then you will have a perfect square shape okay and you'll see there you get like a white frame around that so it looks the same as this okay next we want to stick that one over there and then one on the top piece don't stick one on the front yet because we're going to stick our acetate down first and then that one will conceal it so I'm just going to stick those down okay so this is what you'll have right now then grab that piece of acetate and along that little quarter inch tab I'm going to run some red tapes okay so it's just on that quarter inch piece there then take the backing off don't stick the bottom one yet it's easy to attach the tape to that in a moment what you want to do is fold it in half so that's running flat okay so there's my there's my sticky bit here and I've just folded the whole thing in half so this bottom bit will be longer all right flip it over so the sticky side is facing down so I've got I'm trying to make sure you can see it so this is the sticky side here you're going to line this folded side up with the top of this card okay and make sure that you've got an even overhang on both sides there and then just stick it down if I bring it up what you'll have is this like this see so that's that bit folded down and that's stuck so now you'll be able to fold that along its score line so it's like this and then we can stick the rest down on here and now when you fold it up whatever's hanging over here okay so just bring it over that piece there that's what you want to stick down so all you need to do is just put one kind of strip of tape along the bottom I made sure there was enough kind of going into this area so it's easy for people to kind of see okay keep everything flat and then stick that one down so now when we bring this down everything comes down together and it's this front piece here that we will be attaching all of our kind of pop out pieces onto then with this piece you can now stick that over your acetate and everything gets concealed and it looks nice and neat I'm going to run some tape along the top part of this and probably along the middle as well just because I'm sticking some of this over this acetate I want it to stick because the liquid glues tend to peel off any of your acetate or you know a plastic surface so I am also going to run some liquid glue either side then I can stick that now we've got that pop-up card now you can have it closed that way up but then you see the base when the person takes out the envelope and obviously it would fit in a smaller envelope but also all your pop-up pieces will come up over this part so I think it's easier to have it fold like that because that way your base is underneath so that when they pull out the envelope they're greeted with all that lovely decoration okay so then we'll move on to the base because again you want to kind of get that put down first now this is three no two mil grayboard it's the stuff from evercraft's a pound that I always use don't worry if it's not as thick as this maybe just put a few layers of like a cereal box together or just a strong cardstock you want something that basically is going to help land this card because it just topples over it needs to have a base and I just thought that turned it into this real nice display kind of style card so this piece measures two and a half by six yeah so then you want your pattern paper exactly the same size okay two and a half by six now if you want to wrap your pattern paper around this like you would the cover and the the back of a mini album then you can do but what I did just for a bit of speed really is I went around the edges with a marker pen in a blue just to tie it all together actually quite like that because by the time you then add your little decorative corner on I think it all looks really nice so choose your pattern paper you don't have to put one on the bottom but then that's what they're see so I just think it's nice to finish everything off so I'm going to add my glue onto the base you can add it onto the paper if you want it doesn't matter again if you don't have liquid glue you can use double sided tape okay if you do get anything overhang in a little bit just grab your scissors and you can just go in and just trim off it's literally a slither but you don't want it kind of catching really okay so now I'm going to add my little metal corner protectors now if you don't have these if you've got any silver mirrored cardstock I would say cut a square that's about half an inch squared and then cut it on the diagonal so you get two triangles and pop the little triangles on the corner and I have said that before in other videos and that will look nice as well okay so I'm going to this is the top so I'm going to pop it over like that flip it over and this is the side that you hammer on so I will turn off the sound okay and there's one of the corners so I'm just going to go around now and do that on the others okay so now I've got that nice finished base and then all you need to do is pop glue all on the bottom of your card and then it will sit perfectly within the corners I will put the measurements of these particular corners in my blog because obviously if you go too big then your card is going to overlap onto them these fit perfectly I'll show you what I mean in a second so I'm just making sure it's all secure and straight so if I bring this up now you see the corner of the card fits perfectly into the corner of those metal corners okay so I've got a nice even border there okay and now that card just stands up so much better it really does and once you start adding stuff onto it that all helps as well so that brings me over nicely to all of this stuff here so I have mainly used the stump set so even that sentiment happy birthday mate but then I did have some other kind of nautical themed die so I've done the bird there which I'm going to have just kind of slightly coming off the top I don't want it to come off too much because I don't want it to not fit in the envelope and I might have to can't really see it there I might actually have it floating more so on this part so then I've also done this hat a little sailor's hat so I just die cut it in white gold and black and then pieced it back together to get those effects and then this one here is this anchor which is really cool and I'm probably going to have these pieces along the bottom with this rope so what I will do here is wrap it around my fingers a few times like so and then kind of twist it in the middle and it just looks like some rope that's been kind of you know well sailor's rope and I'll probably have that there with the anchor kind of over the top so it's got a bit of texture to this card as well which I really like but the fun part is this guy here so he's my centre along with love the lighthouse and the boat so because they're both quite the same height I'm going to have one either side so I'm probably going to have like that and like that and they're going to stick on the acetate like this so he is floating he's popping out from the front I think it's going to look really lovely with this effect and then I have the message in a bottle which is going to go along the bottom there actually I'll probably have that maybe there because I want it to come down you want it to overlap this kind of bend here okay just a little bit and then you've got the acetate behind to then have maybe that there I've got the seahorse there and I've got this starfish can you see look at that it just looks so so pleasing I love this and then we will have the anchor and everything else so anything that you stick down on you could stick it all on itself like this I just put little bits of glue behind it so you create one big topper I'm going to do it all separately because I feel I've got a bit more freedom and I can move things around more so the the initial one I'm going to apply red tape because again you're sticking it to that acetate so I'm just going to run a strip in the centre of this which I'm not going to go near the top because that's going to overhang so you don't want to have any tape there so we're going to have him if you get your centre one down first and because I've only put a thin strip right through the middle there I can tuck things behind him and like I said make sure your tape doesn't go up past this acetate because when you go to fold it flat it would stick and then it won't pop up okay so I'm now going to carry on and stick all this down I'll pop it on high speed I'll try and keep it like this so you can see me working I'll put that tape behind there there we go it's a bit better okay so there's the decoration done I didn't end up putting the sailor's hat because he does have one on I didn't really want to double up on anything so the anchor there is no anchor up there and the rope and so on and so forth I did decide to put the seagull there or the girl in the background just because I've put this on foam adhesive and that's now lifted and it does it creates a shadow and you can see it a bit better I love it I really do anything I make with this stamp set I just enjoy a lot I enjoy colouring it and I hope you like that quick little video that I've done showing you how I've done my colouring and then on the back you just have loads and loads of space there to be able to write a message that is quite big you don't have to obviously have it like that but I think it looks really really cute so I hope you like it and now I'm going to show you how to quickly do the envelope okay so this is that piece of 11 by 11 so using the punch board you want to follow it's a six by eight card when it's folded flat okay because it will be going that way okay like I said you can go that way if you want to have a message on there you can but I don't know it's it would still be the same it should still work out roughly the same height one two three four five six seven eight yeah because you take into account the top of that bit of the the boat there so it's it's up to you but personally I prefer it like that because I think when they pull it out they see the message and all that kind of stuff so it's entirely up to you but you will want to follow the six by eight so it's 11 by 11 card or paper that I've got here and you want to do the first scoreline at four and seven eighths of an inch so four and seven eighths of an inch I'm lining up my card and I'm scoring oh and this is from the same paper pack so again I like to rotate and do both opposites and then finish on this side so you're just lining up this little kind of track here with the corner of that card and then this line should meet up perfectly with it and then all the way around to the next one slide it along punch like so okay as always I will link that punch ball very very handy to have perfect when you want to make bigger cards because then you you know you've got your envelope sorted so I'm just going to fold and burnish the score lines and then obviously if it's directional pattern make sure that you just you know you've got it the right way down so this is the base now that we're sticking so I'm going to run some tape along here take the backing off and as I always say when you make a card that's a little bit bulky and you're still popping it in an envelope put the card in okay there's my card this is such a beautiful oh I love it so much pop it in like so and then bring the sides over and that way your card will definitely fit in the envelope so then you can gently bring up the bottom and it will just naturally kind of you know stick to the shape of that card the bulk of that card and now that will come in and out perfectly and it just it does it finishes it off beautifully it makes such a lovely card I'm like I said I'm so pleased with this once it's rearranged there we go it stands up really really nicely so now I'm just going to run some double sided tape along here and then that's ready to take off when I do go to send it and then for the front just because it's patterned paper it's always easier to have a little white piece this is just four by two I've done this on most of the envelopes and you can just stick it on the front make sure you get it in the middle at least that way you've got somewhere if you want to do it bigger obviously you can but I tend to I wouldn't put this in the mail just like this I would put this inside like a brown envelope or something it's too nice and I just worry that people yeah these things happen don't they you hear sad stories of people's posts being you know opened or not even turning up because people are taking it out so yeah there we go so there are the two cards I wanted to do two very different styles just so that you can look past I think if I just put this one up maybe sometimes people struggle to see past how they can turn it into something more masculine and that's why I thought I'd do two different extremes so it's a bit like when you go and look around the house and you see awful decor or something you sometimes can't see past that it's the same thing so I'm trying to whenever I do double cards do them very very different so you get to see two different examples I can't make my mind up I love both just as well I think they look beautiful like I said they're a showstopper they're a display card so you know these are ones to take your time on and yeah they have it two really special cards so I hope you've enjoyed today's tutorial please give me a thumbs up as always if you have and subscribe to my channel so you get to see more thanks for watching bye


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Hi everybody, it's John Horgan reporting in on day three of our trade mission to Asia. We just left Guangzhou this morning after three days of meetings there and I'm standing on the Great Wall of China just outside of Beijing. Back in Guangzhou we talked to many, many people about important opportunities for trade and investment between our two countries. We want to make sure that our wood products are going to new markets and expanding our trade, creating jobs back home. We met people that are developing the Ballard fuel cell buses here in China so that we can export them back to British Columbia and in fact start manufacturing them in British Columbia as well. BC technology making the climate better, making the world better. This is what trade and investment is all about. The social and cultural connections between China particularly Guangdong province and Guangzhou are very, very strong. I'm very happy to be part of the growing, expanding relationship between our two countries. More to report later. Thanks for watching.


The idea that how valuable she is is defined by her sexual virtue and that if she is virtuous and she chooses not to have sex with very many men, that will define how important and valuable she is.  It's okay to have a sex with a man as long as you get commitment from him or money from him or a ring from him or something like that but the moment you have it because you want it now you have devalued vaginas around the world and that's often why women will wield this word or wield this weapon against other women to keep them in place to keep the status quo going.


Maxime, a win against Sandeep and Janda, tell us a little bit about the game. I got surprised in the opening and I thought I wouldn't do anything unreasonable. I went for an end game where I have a slight plus and finally I even managed to keep my pawn up. So this was a big success because even if there's opposite squared bishops on the board because of my two-past pawns on the queen side, if he exchanges the works, then it's a technical win. While I was searching, he tried to create some counterplay. He missed actually one of his ideas which included getting my bishop out of play but then my pawns were just far enough to prevent him from capturing it and it was just over. Your pawns were on a roll in the end game. Was there anything that he could have done to stop them at any point? Well, he could have tried but in general I mean my king is going to support them and this king is too far away from the action so I don't think he has any drawing chances at any point. Right, now three more games remaining. Your thoughts on your tournament so far? Well, of course I would have hoped to be a bit more lethal with black, with white I cannot complain and I need one win with black that's the issue because with white it doesn't seem to be a problem so far but black is definitely an issue so I definitely need to win from the last three games so I'll be looking for that. You're probably going to get black in tomorrow's round so can we expect some aggressive chess from you then? Well, I hope so, I mean we'll just see how the pairing goes and why I'm paired with which color because you never know and I mean I won't do anything too dramatic I will not be playing self-made but if I get an opportunity I will definitely look forward to make use of it. Right, now we know the French love a night out in Jib but with these three crucial rounds coming up are you going to continue the tradition? Well, I think we have some plans and you know so far we've been doing fine with those I think I would like to go into town not even talking about the casino so you know I think we're definitely going to enjoy outside especially if it's not as windy as it was this morning I mean I went outside to do some shopping and yeah I mean I felt like I almost died in there not being dramatic or anything but that was by far my worst experience in my last coming to Gibraltar so I definitely hope the wine settles down. We are very happy that no such thing happened and we wish you all the best for the remaining rounds. Thank you Tanya.


Today we have a very important task to perform and the task is we have some soldiers lined up but the problem is they don't know where to take the position. They have to be ready to fight against the enemies and the folk who are attacking them. So let us help them to take the position. We have three more soldiers here and he is fighting for this place. Oh! So he is going to stand on the pillar. He has already taken his position. Likewise the second soldier comes quickly and goes inside the tower. We have the third soldier quickly running and standing between the two pillars. We have the next soldier who stands beside the tree. Likewise the next soldier goes and takes his position behind the pillar. We have the last soldier who is hiding under a basket. So dear children, we have seen that the soldiers have successfully taken the position. Today we are going to learn a new topic and that is preposition. Now what is preposition? The position of an ounce, of an object or a thing or a person. Whatever position these objects are now taking we call that as preposition. So preposition there is between we have a place.


for Paul I want you to mention I want you to underline in your mind a point number two is the Paul's purpose was reached gradually why because when Jesus met Paul he told Paul three kinds of people Apostle Paul has to reach in his life first it was the children of Israel in other words the Jewish people the second one it was the Gentiles Gentiles is you and I Gentiles is non-Jewish people anybody any Jewish people here full-blood Jewish half Jewish one quarter Jewish one eighth no okay anybody doesn't know you're like dude I'm Mexican man I'm Russian American leave me alone so for Apostle Paul Jewish people this is what God says you're gonna talk to Jewish people about Jesus and then he says I want you to talk about Gentiles means you and I people who are not Jewish and thirdly God says I want you and you are going to stand in front of kings and talk to them about Jesus so Paul spends a very much part of his life talking to Jewish people then he talks to the Gentiles people like us who are not Jewish and then Apostle Paul toward the end of his life gets locked in the prison ends up spending many years talking to kings about Jesus Christ and brings the witness to Jesus Christ to Kings I want to let you know today is that God has a specific group he wants you to influence for his kingdom some of you you are single girls and honestly the most probably effective you will be is not with grandmas and with people in retirement home or even maybe with older women who are married have children but you will be probably most effective with those kind of girls like yourself when you grow like Apostle Paul there will be different categories of people you will be able to influence as you are faithful to God but you must understand all the goals God gives you upfront cannot be fulfilled upfront as you fulfill one another one unveils as you feel it fulfill another one another one unveils Apostle Paul had the privilege of bringing the Gospel of Jesus not only to the Jewish not only to the Gentiles but also to the kings I believe it is the purpose and the call of God to bring the message of Jesus not only to the homeless not only to the drug addicts not only to the alcoholics not only to the people who are lost their way but people in politics people who are wealthy people who are famous people who are known people who others look up to the gospel is for every type and category of people as a church as a Christian you must understand God is calling you to be a light not only to the people who are doing worse than you when Paul was talking to the kings he was chained up yet he was sharing the gospel most of us feel disadvantaged telling someone about Jesus when they know you got bigger problems than them because we feel like the only time I have advantage like you know when they see I got a nice car when they see that I have a breakthrough that is the only time I can talk about Jesus it's true it's good to talk about Jesus when your life is doing good and God is establishing your family God is healing you and there is testimonies but please understand Apostle Paul talked about Jesus even when the guys he talked to were higher financially higher economically higher politically but they were not higher spiritually and Apostle Paul acted like an ambassador from heaven though in chains he still was an ambassador and he talked to them like a boss he witnessed to them not hiding and say oh I'm just I don't know guys this whole Jesus thing got me locked up I got you locked up so be careful it's not sure you know I know yes he helped me but just just not sure no I just don't want to talk no Paul was bold he was talking like he was a boss he knew what he was talking about some people are afraid to share their faith with their boss some people are afraid to to tell their manager when they're going through a hard time about Jesus you're like well he's a manager well that doesn't means that he is an angel he's a human he needs Jesus the gospel of Jesus Christ well some people well he's a football player he's a cheerleader you know she's famous she's you know everybody knows them he's a drug dealer you know he's he's this he's that you guys we should never characterize people we should see people this every person has a soul look at me every person has a soul and that soul needs Jesus I remember the first time that I met with a person who drove very very expensive car the car is probably more expensive than my house and I met with him after he got saved and right before that in the morning prayer I had to deal with my heart with one thing God said Vlad don't look at him as a man who has that money look at him as a soul don't look at him at nothing and don't let him buy you a drink you buy his coffee and so I remember we came in you know he pulled out his wallet there's little like ten a hundred dollars sticking out I was like oh Jesus and here I am literally I don't have much money at that day and I'm pulling in like no I got you bro no I'm paying for you he's like are you sure in the back of my mind I was like if he says one more time I'll let him pay and let him pay for my Starbucks card as well but in he says I'm like no no no I got you and I met with him and when I talked to him I looked it in his eyes and one thing I didn't let I didn't let his wallet stand between me and his soul don't let somebody's accomplishments don't let somebody's anger don't whoever they are remember inside of that big person is a little soul that is hungry for God can somebody say amen


Welcome to the metal voice. Oh my lord. We have an all-star pot a podcast all-star team here today Friends from all across chris achon You've got so many podcasts chris. Just just name them just go through them Well, thanks for having me first of all and of course. I have the classic metal show I have chris achon presents. I have the seth williams show. I'm now doing interviews for charlie kennel's metal shop Um, yeah, I'm busy And an erickson, please give us, you know, what you're up to and what you're doing Yeah, well, my main podcast is audio ink radio and so you can find it just online out of alliance podcast But I don't know if anyone is an nfl fan. You can find that it's called the squad with an erickson All right and ralph Nothing I will say for years i've been a fan of the classic metal show Oh, there you go is awesome.  So just tell us tell us Okay, we're never gonna get so and so on our show. So let's bash them. That's right All right, what are we gonna talk about today? Well The big big news is judas priest just released invincible shield It's a big buzz and I thought you know what just an hour ago. I thought to myself. Let me get The best and the brightest minds together. That's you guys Okay, and let's see where this new album fits In the catalog of judas priest it could change but as of today, how do you feel about this album? How does it fit? Where does it fit? Is it one of their best? Or maybe is it one of their worst or maybe it's just right in the middle somewhere So and since it's the first time you're on the show, I'll let you begin Well, thank you for having me. I'm very honored to be among all of you So I'm a big judas priest fan and I was so excited about this record because you know They're at like the stage where you're not sure if they're going to do more records and that sort of thing But I I really love this record. Um, I know firepower I felt like would be difficult to follow up because that was just Such an incredible album and I even really liked redeemer of souls Which I know a lot of people weren't you know as big a fan of that record But I think I would put this inside the top seven of judas priest all-time records I was kind of thinking about it earlier because jimmy you kind of prepped us a few minutes at least and I would put it behind Obviously like screaming for vengeance or british steal or pain killer or hellbent for leather But I mean and I think I would put it slightly after firepower but other than that I really think it's one of their strongest ones Wow top seven that that's big So like if you just go quickly you go, what's your number one album? Was it you said defenders? Sorry screaming for vengeance screaming, but they're also close. They're like screaming british steal pain killer Hellbent for leather. Like they're all really close for me. Okay. All right, chris Where does it sit with you my friend? I love it as well. Uh, it actually ranks higher for me I have it at number six. I went wrote the list. Um, My list is pain killer defenders of the faith screaming british steal point of entry and then invisible invincible shield Right above uh, sad wings of destiny and then you get into you know, jugulator and firepower and all that and Just priests a hard one man because pretty much 16 of the 19 records are amazing You know, I mean the only things that are really not everybody will argue knows tridamus I'll I'll stick with that being the worst but that rockerola ram it down a turbo kind of round out the bottom But yeah, this is nowhere near those this this album is fantastic. I'm stunned at how good it is to be honest Yeah, ralph Where'd you rank it? Well, I don't have the numbers here, but if any of your listeners want to count them up um To me the out and by the way, I do like the album I don't hate it though. I will say that I was a little worried with these singles They were releasing. I wasn't liking it to the last one the serpent the king. I love Then I heard the album. I thought the album was fantastic. There's still not a fan of those singles, but I would put it Uh, like like for me, uh rockerola defenders. That's my favorite That's my favorite priest. Then I would say angel retribution firepower and then this one Up the above the list or below the list And you already heard all this mountain of priest thumbs. I love I would put it above painkillers Wow, that's that's pretty big man Wow If I was gonna rank this defenders being defenders and I guess on any given day, right defenders are screaming We'll be tied on any given day, but if I go defenders screaming And I was really struggling with this painkiller And I know people are gonna hate me for this but demolition, you know, I put it up there I just I kind of I find there's a lot of great music there. I don't know And then I would have British steel and that's what are we at five and I probably at six I would be at invincible shield because Because when you take a look at their 70s album and agree or disagree on this There's only eight songs Right. Mm-hmm and out of those eight songs. There's probably two songs that are so-so So that really leaves six where this album tends to have more than six great songs and agree disagree Yeah, no, I mean, that's a really good point I feel like one of the strengths of this record is that there's no filler like every single track is just Is awesome and you know what I mean? I just feel like that's definitely a strength And I do feel like maybe when I dig back into their catalog That's one thing that there are a few tracks on each record. I'm like, I don't want to hear that one today Chris when you look back at the 70s the 70s albums and and again, you know, you have eight or seven songs Sure, right and you compare it to invincible shield Yeah, you know, I don't know that I would even go so much back into the 70s just as much as I would go into Kind of what what can I listen to and where do I not get bored? And this one just kind of you know, I My listening to it has just been through a playlist. It just kind of cycles And I didn't realize it. I looked right before we came in here and I only got it yesterday so Listening to it and and not really paying attention. I listened to it like nine times Like it because it just kept recycling and I didn't even realize that it was, you know, I never got bored and that's Kind of been the the one thing with priests, especially the like redeemer of souls I can't even listen to that all the way through. It's just too long. It's too Some of those songs don't fit real well This I didn't get bored at all. I mean it sounds great great production Great guitar playing which, you know, we could talk about if you want to but I mean just overall it's just great Totally easy to listen to So Ralph the production you have the 70s production. You have the 80s production Of course, you had that 90s grungy production industrial production, but then you went in we went into the sneak era. We'll call it How does this one compare to firepower in terms of production with that? That is a question you shouldn't ask me now. Well, I'm asking you. I'll tell you this, you know, just to make it quick I am blessed Totally blessed by not having a year for production Because a lot of people complain about the drum mix too low the vocals too high and I'm like Sounds good to me So I'm not one to ask to me firepower and this new album to me sound identical But I don't have a year for production. So I could be wrong All right, right and and firepower versus this album That's difficult because I did put them right next to each other on my favorites list And I mean when it comes to the production I think that one of the reasons bands go with andy. It's because I mean he is like so passionate about the music right I interviewed the guy from sacks and you know about um About their new record which andy produced and it just seems like he's always popping up everywhere I think that that passion really comes through on both of the records I mean, I kind of would give them a tie But I would give firepower just a small edge probably because I've listened to it a lot more And so, you know, you get kind of used to it and you want to hear it again and again But um, I think they're both really strong All right chris firepower versus uh invincible shield Love them both don't like firepower as much again another long record that I kind of got bored with now again Took a long time before I got there, but it I did get to where it's like, all right. I'm sort of done with this record now Um, what did you like what didn't you like about firepower? I didn't say that. I'm not I have firepower my top 10 I just find I find it to be a little law I you know, I just find it, you know much like you were saying about the earlier The earlier albums having eight nine songs. That's kind of perfect for me about 35 40 minutes And I'm good. I know this new one is what an hour hour and five or something like that Probably six months from now if you ask me the same question, I'll probably tell you the same thing I'll probably say yeah, invincible shield. Yeah, it's a little long, you know I'm I'm good for about 40 minutes, but um Then it's firepower was cool the only if I'm gonna pick firepower apart, which I really don't Want to but It's a little more slick than this one. This one feels a little more concert ready, I guess And I like that more I like kind of that when I go see it these songs are gonna kind of sound Much closer than when I did see firepower the songs sounded like a kind of a I don't know less they were less clean. They sounded a little different. That's all all right Ralph Firepower versus this album. Well, I mean, I've only heard this sound three times, you know I got it on thursday, and I'm expecting the vinyl to get here today Um, so it's too soon to say. I mean if you ask me right now, I'll say firepower I absolutely love firepower, but well chris was saying earlier how he used to love it But now he's kind of like yeah, maybe I shouldn't play firepower anymore and continue to love it Well personally, I think it's firepower plus. I've said this many times already And I think it has that sort of the essence of firepower, but it just It dives more into diversity and more musical interludes and it just runs away the guitar runs away like through a whole album And that's what makes it more interesting I don't I don't feel there's songs on the new album as good as traders did or or flamethrower Never surrender, you know those songs all firepower I think are better, you know because those are songs that the first time I heard firepower Damn, I got it and on this new album I hear some great songs. I love the title track. I do love a lot of these songs, but I don't think they're as good as You know traders get what I named out firepower. Sure. Sure. All right. Let's go around the room ranking this Is everybody ready to rank this new album and what do you give it out of 10? Oh, man, you're making us rank. Well, I did review it for audio and radio and I gave it a 9.5 Because I know and you know, I I think part of the reason is because when a band has been around for as long as Judas Priest I feel like it's more difficult to put out good music Not only are they getting older, but it's just you've done so much, right? And so I was so surprised that once again, they pulled off such an incredible record. So I think that I just had to do 9.5 Oh, wow. That's like a classic Chris. Would you put it at? Uh, probably right around there probably about a nine. Uh, you know, I said I said on facebook And I I really think this is true and we'll see if I believe this in six months But it's the best album a band with at least 25 years of history has put out Past their 25 years, you know, anybody I could think of these are these are very interesting points It's one thing to put out one album and spending, you know, six years Making that album. It's another thing to put crank out a hundred and something songs and still have quality music, correct, Chris? Yeah, yeah, exactly right and and I I tried going through my mind of the older bands and You know, when you when you start thinking about it Metallica, no Megadeth. No Anthony X No, you know, I I Judas Priest This you know, we're literally arguing if it's in their top five or not of Of a career that's 50 years long, you know on the 50th year. That's amazing Yeah, it is. All right, Ralph. How much would you rate it out of 10? I'll give it like, uh, I'll give it a nine But if we had the bonus tracks, I'll give it an 8.5 I don't like those one of them's okay, but man, there's a lodger and that first one And I was like, okay, I understand why this ain't on the album. That one's okay, but it's a bonus. It's just a bonus That's what it's a bonus. So not adding those I'd give it a nine. Okay. Wow. Look at that all around I would put it like at 8.7 because I don't know if I could give a nine Until a year has passed. I'm sad with it for that long Well, jimmy, let me ask you. I don't like three songs off it. That would be a nine, right? I would it would that's okay. That's all right. I like how specific you were jimmy 8.7 I like to be specific because because you want you don't want to say nine Because you want to kind of reserve that for a year from now So you just want to go a little bit under right unless unless jimmy you live on the edge like me You do you do I do come on jimmy It's more fun to say something's a nine and then round it off Every fan that you have come back to you and say well, you said this was a nine too and you know And I now that I've given it a ranking. Thanks for that by the way I I can guarantee you I will get 100 emails from the classic metal show people yapping about what you said This was better Guys, it's been a pleasure The metal all-star podcast folks. Thank you so much for being on a pleasure. We'll do it again guys. Have yourself a wonderful day Thanks for having me next round. Thank you


Let's get over to our man, Mr. Tim Ord, as we do every Tuesday and Thursday, and don't forget folks, you can reach Tim every trading day at www.Ord-Orocal.com, that's www.Ord-Orocal.com. Tim Ord, what's going on brother? Well, I was hoping for a little bit stronger week than what we had, and out of notice here, probably 10-15 minutes ago, I'm getting out of my long visitation. Ah, yeah, okay. Yeah, we kind of look at it. Let's go to chart one. Okay, yeah, let's see. Let's get this up. Give me one second here. There we go. Okay. Okay, I have it. All right, Loneo, we've covered this before. We actually talked about it on your show, and it's a pretty simple method. It seems to work pretty well. This chart goes back to mid-2016, and the middle window there is the monthly SPX. Okay. And I use a candlestick pattern, and every time the monthly candle closed 50% above the upper bologna band, normally you get a consolidation. And we did that in actually in February, so I got that dark circle around it. I see. And so that kind of suggested March may not be a banner month, and nothing will vary. Sometimes you get decent declines on it. A lot of times you get kind of a sideways move the next month. So I'm thinking this month is going to be more of a sideways move, not a top of any consequence. But you know, some probably pull back next week, as a matter of fact, these now the wise is the ninth weakest week of the year. And actually this week is the eighth strongest week of the year. And this week is not strong. So maybe it's going to put more oomph to the downside next week. I don't have to wait and see. And the second window up from the bottom is the SPX VIX ratio. It's a monthly chart, and it's got a little divergence there. The tan areas, I pointed out where the SPs made higher highs, this ratio made lower highs. And last month, we also made a lower high. So nothing significant, maybe just kind of a minor pullback for a month, you know, month of March, and build some energy where another builds the energy where the trend gets back up to, you know, the 10 day up to 1.2 or something like that. But I don't see any top of any consequence. But we've been actually, you know, it was Wildton, we've been trading in the same place for about three weeks now, you know? Yeah. Yeah. So we're probably kind of just stay here. And also the monthly, yeah, we're halfway over.  So I flipped the chart too. Okay. Real quick, real quick. Yeah. This is kind of a chart. When I made this chart, and now the top window is the 10 day, which is two weeks, RSI for the SPX ratio, which is the next window down. Right. And so it measures the bond market against the equity market. And so if these two markets move opposite to each other in a strong way, it needs to rebalance is how I come up with it. It seems to work pretty well. We had about 68, 69 today. And we started to back it off. And so it kind of gave me a cue that this probably rally is not going to continue. So when the RSI of this ratio gets up around 70 and higher, normally, which is the third window down, which is the daily SPX, normally you get some sort of a consolidation, not a big one. Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't, but usually you get a consolidation that could last a week or two. So that's, I think that's probably what we're saying here. We got a couple of them, you know, end of February, you know, last couple of days. And now we're kind of getting another one. So I think next week's probably going to be a down week and kind of matches that you know, the ninth week is week of the year seasonality. Yeah. And it seems like this, this, this ratio is almost like an early wanting signal, which is like, yeah. So it gets up there. So, you know, you can pay attention to it. And a lot of times they're just minor consolidations. You know, the blue marks on the SPX chart I got there shows what happens.  As a matter of fact, this gave a bullish signal back in December, you know, which is circled in reds. That's when the RFI gets down below around 30. Yeah. You know, the market was going up and it wasn't a double top because this ratio was banging around the 30 range. So that was kind of a bullish situation. And it turned out to be correct. And it picked out some other lows in, if I could, about March of 2023, it picked up that low. And so, yeah, it's kind of an early warning sign. So, and then we're down today. So I'm hoping it stays above my open price. I got it long, but nothing real, you know, it's just gobbly goop in here. Well, it seems, I know, because even, I mean, the volume is going to be light today. That's what it looks like anyway.  But right now, this volume is not that big, particularly going against Monday. Do you know what I mean? If we just look at keep it tight, going against Monday, it's, you know, it's going to be lighter than Monday. So pretty wild. Yeah, but we're going to be a little bit higher than yesterday, because we already are. Yeah. Oh yeah, we're going to be higher than yesterday. Hey, just stay right there, Tim. Tim Boyd, Tom O'Brien, we're going to be coming right back, folks, who have bisected and dissected in this market. We have the Dow down 306 and Aztec off 126. S&P's down 40. Tim and I come right back, folks. Welcome back, folks. Tim O'Brien, we do appreciate you growling and prowling with us out here. We have the Dow. The Dow is off 280. You get the Aztec off 116. S&Ps are off 37. We talk when I'm in. Mr. Tim O'Brien, we're looking at some charts right now. Okay, Tim, we're ready. All right. Let's go to church three. Okay. Yeah, here's what I thought was going to happen. And again, I sent out a brief report selling my position probably about a half hour ago. But anyhow, back on, I don't know, I had a circle in volume there on the chart. I see it, yeah, five days ago. Yeah, that's high volume day. A lot times with high volume days are tested. I thought we'd leave to get back to high volume day. And we never did touch it. So that was my scenario. And the reason why I did go long, I did, we had, on that day, we had a trend close to 1.21. The day before we had a close of 1.15. Right. For that, we had 260 down to green. And it was kind of golly-goop. But anyhow, it kind of leaned bullish. So I know that the downtrend wasn't going to do much of it. They're going to try to rally it. And I thought they'd get back to that high. And, you know, I guess they could do it tomorrow and maybe not. But that was my upside objective. And I think kind of just started falling apart today. So I just getting out and say, I'll look at the next trade. I'm with you. But here, yeah, let's just go to the gold issues. There's quite a bit of stuff going on here. Okay. Hey, Tim, you know, so listen to this. And folks, listen to this. You know, it's kind of cool what's been happening in gold. And, you know, we know from history, we haven't got a lot of gold calls here. Thank God. Because when all the gold calls come in, that's when the turn comes. But check this out, Tim. Yesterday, and if you haven't seen this yet, today's Wednesday, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yesterday in the front page of the Wall Street Journal, folks, okay, was gold. Now, I don't think I've ever seen, I might have seen it in the front page of the Wall Street Journal, Tim, but not like it was yesterday. And I'm saying to myself now, this is pretty cool, because I don't see a lot of excitement around the gold market. But yet, between Bloomberg, Bloomberg has done a couple of stories. The Wall Street Journal has done a story right in the front page. And what they're all talking about, folks, is this, is that the aspect of, which is kind of, so check this out, Tim, this is kind of weird actually, that the gold ETFs, right, they've been losing market cap, meaning that people have been selling the gold ETFs, okay? That being said, physical gold, the central banks have been buying hand over fist. You're talking about double and triple what they normally buy. So when I saw this, I says, man, this is kind of interesting, and where you know where I went to him. I went, you know that chart that you showed us that when you go from minus, you know, 300, then up to 1,000 or whatever, and that that's the middle of the run? When I saw this, I says, Yeah, APD average, I think, up down volume, wherever that was. Yes. And then when I saw this, I says, you know what, man, this is amazing. Normally, when you see that, folks, that's the end of the market. Well, I don't even think the market started. So it was kind of cool, man. Do you know what I mean? It's like, okay, you know, we got an article on gold, maybe, maybe some more people will start kicking in. We'll see. Yeah, I see. But let's go over these shots for real quick. Yeah, interesting story. They're selling the ETFs, but they're buying the physical gold. Yes. So yeah, that's a little strange. I know. But you know, you know, this is a chart, in my opinion, that dictates the bull and bear market of GDX, the gold stock. Yes. So if we can get this thing in an uptrend, you know, it can last a couple, three years. But anyhow, in a nutshell, this chart goes back to 2008 or thereabouts. And all it is, the bottom window is the cumulative advanced decline monthly chart with the Bollinger Band on it. Okay. The top window is the cumulative up-down volume for GDX, the up-down volume for GDX, cumulative as a monthly chart. And now this, this doesn't try to get to low or the high. What it does is get the 80% in between. Yes. So my opinion, I think the bottom is actually in October of 2022. And I can show you the charts why, but we don't really have the time for that. But I may do that, you know, maybe the next show or something. Cool. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Having said that, anyhow, this chart gave a sell signal, it looked like about January 2021, as both those indicators, the top indicator and the bottom indicator fell below the mid-Bollinger Band. And it's still below the mid-Bollinger Band for talking. So that chart gave a sell signal, you know, three years ago. And it's still on a sell signal. So even though there have been some rallies in the gold stock, the whole market's actually been pretty weak because it actually measures the up-volume and down-volume and it also measures advanced and decline. Right. So since 2021, the advanced decline for GDX has actually been at a downtrend. And so there have been short-term pops, but there's never been any fall through to the upside, at least not yet. And so once this gets above the mid-Bollinger Band, then that'll be the time when most stocks, gold stocks, no matter what they are, will start responding. And so, you know, a lot of these stocks, you know, even though the market takes them as higher now than it was back October, most gold stocks are actually below the October lows, according to this chart. So it's real misery, right? So misery is good because, you know, it's kind of like the Phoenix coming out of the ashes. Right. And so we're kind of into that stage, you know. Are this indicated on a bicycle yet? No, it's not. But let's go to chart number five. Let me ask you something first. I just figured out what you're doing here, man. This is kind of cool, meaning on this ratio. So, no, I always follow you along what you're doing, but I'm just realizing, so what did you do? You took the formula from the arms, right? And then you're doing it with the ratio with the GDX, right? Because up-down volume, right? Well, yeah, it's advanced decline. Yeah. Right. The volume demand and also the up-down volume is accumulative, though. I like it. No, I get it. Okay, I see. I see accumulative, though. Okay, cool, man. I like it. Yeah, so I'm just trying to figure out how you get all this. It measures the strength in the GDX market. Yes. Because it takes in advanced decline. Yeah. It takes in up-down volume. That's pretty much all the, that's what GDX is. No, I know. I know, man. I'm digging it. Okay, cool. Yeah, so it really gives a great picture. You know, they gave a sell signal back in the late 2011 and remained on a sell signal all the way into 2016. Right. You see that? We want that buy signal. No, I can see it. I like that ratio, man. You know, that's, that's for the, yeah. Yeah, it works pretty good. We got another. Yeah, just stay right there, folks. Tim and I gonna be coming back. We're talking gold out here. Dow, Dow right now, down 310. Nasdaq's up 122. S&P's are off 39. Stay right there. Tim and I come right back, folks. Welcome back, folks. Tim O'od, Tom O'Brien. We do appreciate you. Growl at a problem with us out here. We have the Dow at out 275. Nasdaq's off 100. S&P's are off 33. We're talking gold right now with our man, Mr. Tim O'od. Go ahead, Tim. All right. Let's go to chart 5. Okay. So, we're kind of look at the bigger picture. The bigger picture is still of the cumulative advanced decline for GDX and up-down volume cumulative or still in a downtrend. So, so let's go. So now this chart, the middle window is a weekly XAU gold ratio. Okay. And so, this gives more signals and stuff. And the last signal that was occurred, we got one here just recently because this chart is a weekly chart. But the important signal I can't, I think it came in in 2022, July, September of that point it out. That's when the when the RSI of the weekly ratio gets below 30, then all those blue lines across there is when those signals were occurred. Yes. It comes out pretty accurate. So, I know, man. This is. Yeah. So, when the weekly XAU gold ratio goes through the floor, actually it's bullish. Right. But you got to wait till the RSI gets down below 30 that turns up. Then that's the signal. We just had one here in mid-Debruary, I think it was or something. But yeah, we just got a bi-signal and it's starting to go up. What I want to talk about is the weekly XAU ratio or weekly XAU bottom window. Okay. You got a trend line connecting the highs going back to 2000. I see that. Yeah. So, that looks like a head and shoulders. And to get through that trend line, you're going to need to sign a strength. So, now if you do get to sign a strength, that means there's a lot of energy going into the XAU. And if you go back to chart number four. Okay. If you do that, the window of the monthly GDX chart. Yes. The middle window. Yeah. So, that's the same line there, but it's on the monthly chart. Oh, I see. I see. I got it. Yep. I got it. It's right where the arrow is. That's who we're looking for, folks. They cut that trend line. Nice. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Cut to draw. If you get a sign of strength there, most likely both those ratios up down volume and the cumulative advanced decline, most likely we'll get through that mid Bollinger band. Right. So, I'm assuming, but if you get a sign of strength that big, because this is on a monthly chart and a weekly chart, you're going to see some fireworks going on. And that's what has to happen to get both those up down volume advanced client indicators to get above the mid Bollinger band. And I think that's what's in front of us. If you notice, we've been in the cell signal since 2021, which is abnormally long, mostly signals last a couple of years.  Well, we've been going down since 2021 on this, on both of those cumulative advanced declines. So, we're due for something other than down. Right. So, I think we got time wise looking pretty good. And so, I'm thinking there's going to be a burst of energy. And I think this year, but you know, I kind of called Wolf before it never really happened. No, no, listen, man, you know what the cool thing is is that, you know, where we're, you know, we broke eyes set up for it. Yeah, we set up for it. I mean, when you break eyes, there's nothing on the left hand side now, folks, of the physical gold contract.  Hey, check it out too. There was an article, some of these articles, man, you just can't, there was an article on Bloomberg, and this was yesterday, folks, okay, and they were claiming that the futures have never been that high for the CTAs. The CTAs, folks, are all trend following, you know, advisors. The bottom line is that it had been that high. If you look at another article today, it's something like 500 and something, 1000 longs. And right now on the, in the futures market, Tim, we're at like 466 or something. 466,000 longs. Yeah, they're piling in. And that's, listen, we know, if you don't know the CTAs, folks, what happens, that's the guy that bought the Boston Red Sox. That's the guy that bought the Celtics. When you get it right, just, you know, and you follow a trend, man, you get it really right, you know what I mean. So, you know, they're giving us a little hand here, Tim. That's what you're up. Yeah. So, you know, this chart number five, you know, it gave a bicycle, so we're on a bicycle right now. And if it stays on a bicycle and we get above, on the bottom window there, we get above that line, and most likely you'll see a sign of strength. That's a white scoff stuff, because you gotta have a sign of strength through a resistance area. So, I'm thinking that's probably what's gonna happen. And when I'm looking at this, Tim, we're laying right at it, right? Yeah. Okay, cool. That's it. You don't need a lot. No, you don't. I can see what you need. Right, okay. Yeah, you know, but we're still, you know, right, we're right at it. So, let's flip to chart six. Okay. And now this chart goes all the way back to, but 84. Okay. 84. So, it really looks at the bigger chart. And that middle window is a monthly XAU gold ratio. Yeah. And the bottom window is gold. Now he said, you know, we probably broke out in gold. And so I got a little circle there, blue, and the breakout. So, I'm thinking gold's already broke out. The gold socks haven't. But there's a trend. Now, go back to the middle window, which is a monthly XAU gold ratio. Yeah. I got a trend line going from the high of 1996. Okay. Connecting that high, it looks like about 2006. I drew it all the way down to where we are right now. If you notice, we've been, the ratio has been trending right below that trend line. I know. Can you see that? I can see it, man. So now to get through that trend line, it also needs a sign of strength. Right. It's just the opposite of, like, when you get the bull into being, was grabbing the low, then you're up, right? This is grabbing it. Yeah, right in that, okay. Right. So, to get through that line, you know, you have to have a sign of strength, just like when you break it. Yes. So, anyhow, this is the white top stuff. So, you know, you've been hovering against that trend line. You're not breaking it. It's just, you know, since 2000, mid-2021, you've just been trotting down to that trend line. You know, we're right at it. Yep. We're also, at the previous lows, if you draw the trend line from the 2016 low, right, you draw that trend line up, or at the bottom of it. So, it's either going to break up or down, you know. Yeah. And with gold breaking up, seems like we're going to break that trend line. Well, if we break the trend line, you should see a sign of strength through this ratio. Yes. Well, if the ratio is going up, that means gold stocks are outperforming gold. And so, you know, will that happen? You know, it's at the point, do or die. Either we're going to break up or we're going to break down. Yeah, right.  You know, it's funny to him. I was looking at the gold stocks today while I was looking at them every day. But just when you said, I was looking, I said, okay, man, are you going to give us a beating here or what, man?  And the same with the contract. The contract is only down 13 bucks right now. It rejected 2155 this morning. We're 2167. And we did, well, we're doing, I think we're doing 200,000 contracts versus we're going into 300,000. Let me see. Yeah, we're still at 1.9 million contracts. Listen, Tim, we appreciate all the great education. Do you have a great weekend? Have a happy St. Patrick's Day too, man. And we'll talk to you Tuesday. Okay, man. Thank you. Thank you guys. Love you, man. Stay right there, folks. Come right back.


There is a common misconception that patients with asthma cannot master high-resistance dry powder inhalers. A recent study suggests otherwise. Researchers examined 994 consecutive adult patients in the UK during general practice asthma review, approximately 90% of whom already used a preventer inhaler. The team systematically examined the peak inspiratory flow rate, PIFR, needed for successful drug inhalation via inhalers of different device-specific resistances. Each patient's PIFR was measured using the N-check dial meter. The study nurses had extensive experience in conducting asthma reviews and were trained collectively to standardize and optimize their use of the N-check dial meter. Patients were tested at two or three levels of resistance. At the level of their personal preventer inhaler, if they used one, at an R5 level corresponding to high-resistance dry powder inhalers, DPIs, and at a low R0 level corresponding to the resistance of pressurized metered dose inhalers, PMDIs. At each resistance setting tested, patients were instructed to breathe out to comfortable exhalation before performing up to three inhalation maneuvers. If the patient passed, this result was recorded. A pass was defined as an N-check dial reading of 30 to 90 liters per minute at settings R1 to R5 or 20 to 60 liters per minute at the R0 setting based on published standards. Regardless of their current device and with the same level of training provided, more than 93% of patients with asthma achieved the PIFR required to operate a high-resistance DPI. In contrast, approximately 30% of patients failed to achieve the PIFR required to operate a PMDI, including a fifth of patients currently using a PMDI. Patients failing the PMDI setting inhaled too fast. Rapid inhalation with PMDIs is associated with poorer delivery of medicine to the lungs. This study demonstrates that most adult patients with asthma can achieve adequate inspiratory flow to successfully use high-resistance DPIs. However, nearly 20% of patients who currently used a PMDI device failed at R0, even after three assessments with coaching.


Welcome back, everyone, to theCUBE's coverage here, live on the floor at AWS Remars, 2022. I'm John Furrier, host of theCUBE. Great event, machine learning, automation robot space, that's spent at Mars. It's part of the re-series of events, reinvents the big event at the end of the year, reinforce, remars, really intersection of the future of space, industrial, automation, which is very heavily devops of machine learning. Of course, machine learning, which is AI. We have Luis says here, who's the CEO co-founder of OptoML. Welcome to theCUBE. Thank you very much for having me in the show, John. So, we've been following you guys. You guys are growing startup funded by Madrona, eventually have one of your backers. You guys are here to show, okay? This is a small, I would say small show relative to what it's going to be, but a lot of robotics, a lot of space, a lot of industrial kind of edge, but machine learning is the centerpiece of this trend. You guys are in the middle of it. Tell us your story. Absolutely, yeah. So, our mission is to make machine learning sustainable and accessible to everyone. So, I say sustainable because it means we're going to make it faster and more efficient, use less human efforts, and accessible to everyone, accessible to as many developers as possible, and also accessible in any device. So, we started from an open source project that began at the University of Washington, where I'm a professor there. So, several of the co-founders were PhD students there. We started with this open source project called Apache CVM that had actually contributions and collaborations from Amazon and a bunch of other big tech companies. And that allows you to get a machine learning model and run on any hardware, like run on CPUs, GPUs, various kinds of GPUs, accelerators, and so on. It was the kernel of our company, and the project's been around for about six years or so. Company's about three years old, and we grew from Apache CVM into a whole platform that essentially supports any model on any hardware, cloud, and edge. So, it's the thesis that when I first started, that you want to be agnostic on platform? Agnostic on hardware, that's right. Hardware, hardware. What was it like back then? I mean, what kind of hardware were you talking about back then, because a lot's changed, certainly on the silicon side. Absolutely, yeah. So, taking it through the journey. Absolutely, yeah. Because I can see the progression, I'm connecting the dots here. So, once upon a time, yeah, no, do I? I walk in the snow with my bare feet. You have to be careful, because if you look up at the professor in me, then you're going to be here for two hours, you know? So, no, the average version here is that, clearly machine learning model, machine learning has shown to actually solve real, interesting, high value problems. And then, where machine learning runs in the end, it becomes code that runs on different hardware, right? So, and when we started Apache TVM, which stands for TensorFlow Virtual Machine, you know, at that time it was just beginning to start using GPUs for real for machine learning. We already saw that with a bunch of machine learning models popping up, and CPUs, and GPUs starting to be used for machine learning, it was clear that there would be opportunity to run on everywhere, right? And GPUs were coming fast. GPUs were coming, and huge diversity of CPUs, of GPUs, and accelerators now, and the ecosystem and the system software that maps the models to hardware is still very fragmented today. Right, so hardware vendors have their own specific stack, so NVIDIA has its own software stack, you know, and the Sodo's Intel AMD, and honestly, I mean, I hope I'm not being, you know, too controversial here to say that it kind of looks like the mainframe era. We had tight coupling, tight coupling between hardware and software. You know, if you bought IBM hardware, you had to buy IBM OS, and IBM database, and IBM applications, it all tightly coupled, and if you want to use IBM software, you had to buy IBM hardware, right? So that's kind of like what machine learning systems look like today.  Even if you use their software, which is pretty good, you have to buy their GPUs, right? So, but you know, we wanted to help peel away the model and the software structure from the hardware to give people choice, the ability to run the models where it best suit them, right? So that includes picking the best instance in the cloud that's going to give you the right, you know, cost properties, performance properties, or you want to run it on the edge, you might run it in an accelerator. What year was that roughly when that went through this? We started that project in 2016, 2015, 2016. Yeah, so that was pre-conventional wisdom. I think TensorFlow wasn't even around yet. No, it wasn't. It was, I think, like 2017 or so. Right. So that was the beginning of, okay, this is opportunity, AWS, I don't think they had released the, some of the Nitro stuff that Hamilton was working on. So they were already kind of going that way. It's kind of like converging. Yeah. The space was happening, exploding. Right.  And we weren't some of the first ones to say, like, no, let's take a compilation approach. Take a model and compile it to very efficient code for that specific hardware. And what underpins all of that is using machine learning for machine learning code optimization, right? But it was way back when. We can talk about where we are today. No, let's fast forward. So again, that's the beginning of the open source project, right? But that was a fundamental, believe, world view there. I mean, you have a world view that was, that was logical when you compare it to the mainframe, but not obvious to the means machine learning community. So, okay, good call. Check. Now let's fast forward, okay? Evolution will go through the speed of the years. More chips are coming. You got GPUs and seeing what's going on AWS. Wow, now it's booming. Now I got unlimited processors. I got silicon on chips. I got Jeep, Jeep, everywhere. Right. Yeah, and what's interesting is that the ecosystem got even more complex, in fact, because now you have a bunch, there's a cross product between machine learning models, frameworks like TensorFlow, PyTorch, Keras, and McLeod, and so on, and then hardware targets. So how do you navigate that? What we want here, a vision is to say, folks should focus. Folks, people should focus on getting their machine, making the machine learning models, do what they want to do that solves a value, solves a problem of high value to them, right? So another deployment should be completely automatic. Today it's very, very manual to a large extent. So once you're serious about deploying machine learning model, you've got to go and understand where you're going to deploy it, how you're going to deploy it, and then pick out the right libraries and compilers, and we automated the whole thing in our platform. This is why you see the tagline, the boots right there, bringing DevOps agility for machine learning, because our mission is to make that fully transparent. Well, I think that first of all, I use that line here because I'm looking at it here on the live on camera. People can't see, it's like I use it on a couple of my interviews. Because the word agility is very interesting because that's kind of the test on any kind of approach these days. Agility could be, and I talked to the robotics guys, just having their product be more agile. I talked to Pepsi here just before he came on. They had this large scale data environment because they built an architecture but that fostered agility. So again, this is an architectural concept that's a system's view of agility being the output. And removing dependencies, which I think what you guys were trying to do, let's say, eight. Only part of what we do, right?  First, today it takes a couple of months to get a model from when a model is ready to production. We're going to turn that into hours. Agile, literally, physically agile in terms of all-quart time, right? So, and then the other thing is give you flexibility to choose where your model should run, right? So in our department, including the demo and the platform expansion that we announced yesterday, we give the ability of getting your model and get it compiled, get it optimized for any instance in the cloud and automatically move it around. Today, that's not the case. You have to pick one instance and that's what you do and then you might auto-scale with that one instance, right? So we give the agility of actually running and scaling the model the way you want and the way it gives you the right SLAs, right? So. Yeah, and I think Swamy was mentioning that kind. Not specifically that use case for you but that use case generally, that scale being moving things around, making them faster. Not to do that integration work. Scale and run the models where they need to run. Like, Swamy, you want to have a large scale department in the cloud. You want to have models in the edge for various reasons because speed of light is limited. We cannot make lights faster. So, you know, got to have some, look at the physics there, it cannot change. Right, there's privacy reasons. You want to keep data locally, not send it around to run the model locally, right? So, anyways, give the flexibility. Well, that's a good point. Let me jump in real quick because I want to ask a specific question because maybe think of something. So we're just having a data mesh conversation. One of the comments that's come out of a few of these data as code conversations is data is the product now. So if you can move data to the edge, okay, which everyone's talking about, why move data if you don't have to, but I can move a machine learning algorithm to the edge. Because it's costly to move data. I can move compute, everyone knows that. But now I can move machine learning to anywhere else and not worry about integrating on the fly. So the model is the code. It is the product. Yeah, and since you said the model is the code, okay, now we're talking even more here. So machine learning models today are not treated as code, by the way. So they do not have any of the typical properties of code that you can.  You don't think where it runs, what kind of CPU it runs, what kind of means that it runs. But with machine learning model, you do. So what we are doing and creating this fully transparent, automated way of allowing you to treat your machine learning models if you were a regular function that you call and then a function could run anywhere, right? And that's why it's bringing that up to agility, right? That's better. Yeah, and you can use your existing teams. That's better because I can run on the Artemis too, in space. You could, yeah. If they have hardware. So you, and that allows you to run your existing, continue using your existing DevOps infrastructure and your existing people, right?  Professor, I'm a hardware guy. I'm building hardware for Boston Dynamics to spot the dog. It's the diversity in hardware. It tends to be purpose-driven. I got a spaceship. I'm going to have hardware on there. It's generally viewed in the community here that everyone I talk to and other communities, open source is going to drive all software. That's a check. But the scale and integration is super important. And they're also recognizing that hardware is really about the software. And they even said it on stage here. It's hardware is not about the hardware. It's about the software. So if you believe that to be true, then your model checks all the boxes. Are people getting this? I think they're starting to. Here's why, right? So a lot of companies that were hardware first that thought about software too late, aren't making it, right? So, I mean, there's a large number of hardware companies, AI chip companies that aren't making it. Probably some of them won't make it unfortunately just because they started thinking about software too late, right? So, you know, I'm so glad to see a lot of the, I hope I'm not just doing my own horn here, but Apache TVM, the infrastructure that we built to map models to different hardware, it's very flexible. So we see a lot of emerging chip companies like SEMA.ai has been doing fantastic work and they use Apache TVM to map algorithms to their hardware.  That's because you have, you know, an open infrastructure that keeps it up to date with all the machine learning frameworks and models and allows you to extend to the chips that you want, right? So these companies pay attention to that early, gives them a much higher fighting chance, I'd say. First of all, not only are you backable by the VCs because you have pedigree, you're a professor, you're smart, and you get good recruiting for any, and you get good recruiting for PhDs out of the University of Washington, which is not too shared to computer science department, but they want to make money. The VCs want to make money, right? So you have to make money. So what's the pitch, what's the business model? What's your share, so you're thinking there? Yeah, the value of using our solution is shorter time to value for your model for months to hours. Second, you shrink operator all packs because you don't need a specialized expensive thing. Talk about expensive, expensive. Engineers can understand machine learning harder and software engineering to deploy models today. Like you don't need those teams if you use an automated solution, right? So then you reduce that. And also in the process of actually getting a model and getting specialized to the harder, making harder aware, we're talking about a very significant performance improvement that leads to lower costs of deploying it in the cloud. We're talking about very significant reduction in costs in cloud deployments. And also enabling new applications on the edge that weren't possible before creates latent value opportunities, right? So that's a high-level value pitch. But how do we make money? Well, we charge for access to the platform, right? So... Use it with consumption? Yeah, and value-based, yeah. So it's consumption and value-based, right? So it depends on the scale of the deployment. If you're going to deploy machine learning model at a larger scale, chances are that it produces a lot of value, right? So then we'll capture some of that value in our pricing scale. Key of direct sales force, Dan, to work those deals. Exactly. Got it. How many customers do you have? Just curious. So we started, so the SaaS platform just launched now, right? So we're starting onboarding customers. We've been building this for a while. We have a bunch of partners that we can talk about openly, like revenue-generating partners, let's put it this way. So we work closely with Qualcomm to enable SnapDragon on TVM and hence in our platform. We're closely with AMD as well, enabling AMD 100 on the platform. We've been working closely with two hyperscaler cloud providers and I don't know who they are, right? And they're being both here, right? What is that? They both start with the letter A. Oh, that's right. Don't give it away. Don't give it away. One is three, one is four, okay. No, and we have customers in the, we actually, early customers have been using the platform from the beginning in the consumer electronic space in Japan and self-driving car technologies as well as some AI-first companies that actually whose core value come from, the core business come from AI models. They're serious, serious customers. They've got deep tech chops. They're integrating. They see this as a strategic part of their architecture. That's what I call AI-native, exactly. But now there's several, we have several enterprise customers in line now. They've been talking to, of course, because now we launched the platform, now we're starting onboarding and exploring how we're going to serve it to these customers, but it's pretty clear that our technology can solve a lot of their pain points right now, and we're going to work with them as early customers who are going to find it. So do you sell to the little guys like us where we'd be customers if we wanted to be? You couldn't, absolutely, yeah. What would we have to do? Do you have machine learning folks on staff or? So here's what you'd have to do.  Right, so you see. And you should look at the transparent AI app that's compiled and optimized with our flow and deployed and built with our flow that allows you to get your, you imagine those style transfer, you know, you can get you on a Pine app and see how you look like with a Pine app or text. Well, we got a lot of transcripts and video data. Right, yeah, so you can, yeah, you can, right, exactly. So you, you can use that in, there's a very, very clear tutorial how to do it. But I can use it, you're not blocking me from using it. Everyone's, it's pretty much democratized. You can try the demo and then you can request access to the platform. Yeah, but you've got a lot of more serious, deeper customers. But you can serve anybody what you're saying. We can serve anybody, yeah. All right, so what's the vision going forward because our, let me ask this, when did people start getting the epiphany of removing the machine learning from the hardware as it was recently, a couple of years ago? Well, on the research side, we helped start that trend a while ago, right? I didn't need to repeat that. But I think the vision that's important here, I want the audience here to take it away is that there was a lot of progress being made in creating machine learning models, right? So there's fantastic tools to deal with training data and creating the models and so on. And now there's a bunch of models that can solve real problems there. The question is, how do you very easily integrate that into your intelligent applications? So Moderna Venture Group has been very, very vocal and very investing heavily on intelligent applications both, and user applications as well as enablers, right? So we see an enabler of that because we, it's so easy to use our flow to get a model integrated in your application that now any regular software developer can integrate that. That's just the beginning, right? Because now we have CI CD integration to keep your models updated to continue to integrate and then there's more downstream support for other features that you normally have in regular software development. I've been thinking about this for a long, long time and I think this whole code, no one thinks about code. I write code, I'm deploying it. I think this idea of machine learning as code independent of other dependencies is really amazing. Like I think it's so obvious now that you say it. What's the choices now? It's to say that, okay, I buy it, I love it, I'm using it. Now, what do I got to do if I want to deploy it? Do I have to pick processors? Are there verified platforms that you support? Is there a short list? Is there every piece of hardware? We actually can help you. I hope I'm not saying we can do everything in the world here, but we can help you with that. So here's how you, when you have the model in the platform, you can actually see how this model runs on any instance of any cloud, by the way, so we support other three major cloud providers. And then you can make decisions. For example, if you care about latency, your model has to run on at most 50 milliseconds because you're going to have interactivity. And then after that, you don't care if it's faster. All you care is that it's going to run cheap enough so you can help you navigate. And also you can make it choice automatic. It's like tire kicking in the dealer showroom. You can test everything out, you can see the simulation. Are they simulations or are they real tests? Oh no, we run all in real hardware. So we have, as I said, we support any instance of any of the major clouds. We actually run on the cloud. But we also support a select number of edge devices today like ARM and NVIDIA Jetsons.  And very soon, a bunch of mobile phones there too, they can actually run on the real hardware and validate it and test it out. So you can see that your model runs performance and economically enough in the cloud. And it can run on the edge. You're machine learning as a service. Would that be accurate? That's part of it because we're not doing the machine learning model itself. You come with a model and you make it deployable and make it ready to deploy. So here's why it's important. Yes. Okay, so let me try. There's a large number of really interesting companies that do API models as an API as a service. Like you have NLP models, have computer vision models where you call an API and endpoint in the cloud. You send an image and you got a description, for example, or you send, you know. So, but these are using a third party. Now, if you want to have your model on your infrastructure but having the same convenience as an API, you can use our service, right? So today, chances are that if you have a model that you know that you want to do, there might not be an API for it. You actually automatically create the API for you. Okay, so that's why I get the DevOps agility for machine learning. Exactly. It's a better description because it's not, you're not providing the service. You're providing the service of deploying it like DevOps infrastructure as code. You're now ML as code.  Because I think what's interesting about this is that it brings the craftmanship back to machine learning because it's a craft. I mean, let's face it. Yeah, and I want human brains, which are very precious resources, to focus on building those models that is going to solve business problems. I don't want this very smart human brains figuring out how to scrub this thing to actually get it run the right way. This should be automatic. That's why we use machine learning for machine learning to solve that. Here's an idea for you. We should write a book called The Lean Machine Learning. Because the Lean startup was all about DevOps. You call machine leaning. No, there's not going to work here. But remember when iteration was the big mantra, oh yeah, iterate, that was from DevOps. That's right. Yeah. Allowed for standing up, stuff fast, double down. We all know the history, what turned out. That was a good value for development. Completely. I mean, if you don't mind me building on that point, you know, something that we see as optimal, but we also see at Madrona as well, seeing that there's a trend towards best in breed for each one of the stages of getting model deployed from the data aspects of curating the data and then into the model creation aspects to the model deployment and even model monitoring, right? And we have, and we develop integrations with all the major pieces of the ecosystem such that you can integrate, say with model monitoring to go and monitor how your model is doing, just like you monitor how code is doing in the department of the cloud. It's evolution, I think it's a great step. And again, I love the analogy to the mainframe I lived during those days. I remember the monolithic proprietary and then OSI model kind of blew it away, but that OSI stack never went full stack. It only stopped at TCPIP. So I think the same things going on here, we're going to see some scalability around it to kind of uncouple it, free it. Absolutely, and sustainability and accessibility to make it run faster and make it run on any device that you want by any developer, right? So that's the tagline. Luis says, thanks for coming on. Professor. Thank you. I didn't know you're a professor. That's great to have you on. It's a master class in DevOps of Chile for machine learning. Thanks for coming on. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. Congratulations. Octo ML here on theCUBE, really important, uncoupling the machine learning from the hardware specifically. That's only going to make space faster and safer and more reliable. And that's where the whole theme of remars is. Let's see how they fit in. I'm John Furrier theCUBE. Thanks for watching. More coverage after this short break. Thank you.