Hello everybody, my name is Markey Jackson. I am a software engineer This is the Jenkins pipeline authoring sick meeting for the US time zone. It is March 20th 2020, thank you everybody for joining Liam welcome back Hey, I'm alive Alive vastly different world as we were chatting about earlier. Yeah, I Will like to start before I start this meeting I would like to say that the Jenkins does Jenkins community does have a code of conduct which essentially amounts to do not be a jerk Be good to one another with that. We will get this meeting underway Liam is taking notes. I Thank you for doing that. I am going to say that if you have not added the your name into the attendees list Which I believe everybody has That's awesome. We will move into open items the first open item is closing out the personas I know they're the last before you had Went on vacation Liam the last item we talked about was adding in the questions for the various personas I feel that most people have done that there may just be one or two more that need to be added out But what I would like to do is start to close that out This week and have before next week have that be done Realized my camera was not on. Yeah, well So I'd like to get that closed out if we can Looks like someone was nice enough to ask to do some of the characteristics for Yuri who I'd signed up for so that's Thank you very much. I Should add a few more on that but anyway, so do Let's see here. Do we want to go over these to close them out or I mean How should we go about that? I think we've gone over. I'll leave it up to the I'll leave that up to everybody I think we've covered them enough. Okay. Oh But I don't want to be the final say on that leave that To everybody Which plugins should I install okay, so Let's see maybe take Ten minutes to just sort of taught like walks through the questions that people would ask. Yeah, okay, so Yuri the utilitarian Ops person they run the teams Jenkins server their questions would be how do I install and upgrade Jenkins? How often should I upgrade Jenkins and plugins? Which plugins should I install? I want to put Just ran like what how do I get this to work basically? How do I how do I do and ask stack overflow? Yeah Another what good one may be is you know, I have personally seen a lot of questions over the last 30 days 60 days of people asking how do I get Jenkins to work in Kubernetes? How do I how do I run the Kubernetes? plugin What is the use case for the Kubernetes plugin is an actual I'm working with somebody currently right now because they thought it was for something different and Before they asked a question. They spent a lot of time Sort of trying to make it work for a use case that the plugin did not support a Minute of advertisement. I'm looking for speakers about the Jenkins and Kubernetes We plan to do a series of online meetups for that Yeah, I will sign up for that by the way because I have some pretty Good stories to tell about Jenkins and Kubernetes Any other environment that works as well. So just to let us know if you would like to participate I almost feel like there could be a sub bullet of which plug-in should I install which is what do they do? Right because in your case if they would have known what your plug-in was then Right, they wouldn't have been confused Agreed. I think that's a good question. Okay Not not to negate the fact your specific case is a good one because I think a lot of people would are probably looking into Kubernetes and you know, how can it help with Jenkins? Yeah, I think one of the I I Think use cases needs to be Doc on this particular plug-in for example the use cases and just needs to sort of be laid out in the beginning of the the read me for example because It's not very clear Does what plug-in should I install is is there a related question what plug-in should I avoid installing? Ah We have at least Sure, this is all all Yuri that may be one of these other personas Well, I mean, this is the kind of things that they'll ask more more commonly like that because they're I mean other It's not a cut-and-dry thing, right? There's not like only ask these one questions It's more like these are the kinds of things that they're going to be asking. Hello, right Most often right to start with So anyways All right, what else so moving on to Erica This person has been dropped into doing the Jenkins maintenance But it's trying to do it right and Improve on things and make sure they understand things Where can I find documentation to help me keep Jenkins running? How do I debug failures and pipelines after upgrading? How can I create easy to manage pipelines? Is there a list of best practices documents to guide me? This is similar to the Similar to the ones that Yuri asked but a little little more on the Holistic kind of try and understand that this this new world. I'm living in kind of thing Where can I get a list of steps provided by plug-in so I don't try to recreate them in groovy I should not and when should I not trust steps from random plugins? This What is I'm wondering what that means Again, this is like and do kind of thing I think I added that and it comes out of something. I've noticed is that a Lot of people don't bother when they want to do something like send a slack notification or make a Make a rest call to some random API. I've got a whole list of things I've seen people do they often don't go search to see if there's a plug-in that exports that step and then they they ride a bunch of Like shared like like like, you know, tens hundreds of lines of shared groovy that To do the same thing And then and then sometimes they they the person that wrote it leaves And so somebody like Erica would or really would might end up having to support someone else's junk and and then so sort of the The the counter to that when I was chatting with with Marty, you know, sometimes they explicitly do that because plugins Export steps that don't work. Well, right. I think one I don't know what persona what I'm about to say would fall under. I feel like it's Erica and maybe Olivia, but for example, I have had the Passionate debate with individuals about the use of plugins versus natively writing the code. A good example is Docker So most people will trust the underlying Jenkins to handle Docker, you know, certain native Docker calls as opposed to writing those native Docker calls out themselves What happens is is for in my particular Example for my argument is durable task plug-in if that somehow gets broken For example 1.32 was broken for a bit that broke all underlying Docker and people had to write things out natively Well, we waited for a fix in 1.33 I'm wondering if the quote. I don't know if it's a question to say when do you install a plug-in versus actually writing your own You know code to do something such as Docker Is it is it something um, can I get a list of plugins that are currently broken? Would that would that be a question someone might ask? Um Well the answers they shouldn't be especially core ones like that shouldn't be broken That's the kind of thing that we I mean, I would say that that cloud B's part of what they build their business on is having is that sort of the the Customer assurance programs stuff like that where they they're doing the testing to make sure that things stay stable And there there are some things though like I would say docker workflow Which like if you ask anyone who had any part in creating that plug-in, they would say you should never use this plug-in ever I know exactly who you're talking about That is Yeah, but it's like it's not necessarily clear to a user who just wants to use docker and they just search the plugins page for docker There's no way for them to realize that this plug-in is absolutely considered something you should avoid at all costs Yeah, so it kind of gets back to the previous question about which plug-in should I I not use I mean this one sounds like you should never ever use it not I was using it and it broke so I had to work around it Yeah, I mean like the durable task regression was like we fixed that pretty quickly. It was just like an accident, right? I mean Yeah, no, I I agree with you it was fixed quickly but that from a Because I don't want to say I because I was able to know about that from a core perspective I was able to mitigate it But for those people that don't know that and they're just like You know, they're not ops and then all of a sudden they're like, hey, I'm using you know agent Docker file and it's just not working Or you know a doc image and it's not working They may not know have the the advantage of knowing that there's regression taking place on that And that's sort of where my question comes in if that's a valid question Oh, yeah, it's a valid question. It's like what do we We do about it. I mean, there's the problem of the general problem of upgrading plugins, right? um Yeah, I think the question that I have probably falls into the the upgrading of plugins like when do you upgrade how do you Test to make sure that upgrade doesn't break things. So maybe that question I have has already been asked in erica uh Is it I don't see specifically about plugin about when When should I upgrade god can't type it someone? plugins and How do I make sure they don't break things cause regressions I mean, this is the same question that actually I think urie would be asking as well, but uh Actually urie urie's question would do it. Do I have to upgrade upgrade this plugin? Because he would just leave it alone fair I think that's fair Keep dropping eyes all right He didn't add there. I mean it's um So your question was your point was that that there's The reason that people don't use plugins sometimes is because they upgrade and cause causes regressions, right? That's correct. Yep. Sorry. Yes. That's correct. Okay, so But that's true I mean like like you you gainst this is this the the common problem you gain stability by writing your own code because you don't You don't take upgrades on the other hand the reason why those things break is because we're fixing things, right? very often correct so hmm Anyone have any other any suggestion on on Beyond beyond this part this phrasing it this way if there's anything to I mean, I guess that's part of this wouldn't it? Let's see Um Well, I mean it it it's part of that but it but it it could be Maybe not not provide steps. Maybe it's just something that That that's broken. I don't know Yeah, yeah, that's good Should I okay use existing steps? Yeah, I mean, this is kind of what this this is kind of that that's the question that you were talking It's the same thing as this right or is it slightly different? That was a question. I think I was talking about okay. All right, cool. Let's I'll move on So we have olivia outside ic developer. I'm not ops Um, how can I tell what plugins provide which pipeline steps? This is similar to they're different. I see that Uh, how do I know when I should convert something into a shared library or not? Uh, I've read about declarative versus scripted. How do I know which one to use? What's all this about cps sandbox? Do I need to worry about that stuff? Yeah getting into the more into the into the the guts of the system. I can see that I'm getting tired of granting access to various things in script approval To get my pipelines to work, but it feels like I'm doing something wrong by allowing everything Yeah, okay I kind of feel like the first two are like better written versions of the ones that we had above Um, yeah, I mean I would say that they're I would say that these two personas come at the same question slightly differently though Yeah, right because From from the from olivia's perspective. It's like how do I write this code? They're looking at it from a dev perspective as opposed to Erica who's looking at it from more of an ops maintenance like I'm trying to get this thing running and understand this system but they're not They're coming out from not a non-technical but a but less of a Engineering excellence like I'm a CS degree person, right gotcha. Yeah, that makes sense Eric is more the layperson view rather than The the CS degree view that's Not that those things are very are completely disparate, but like that's the That's why I mean, I think that that's why I think they apply in both cases um And you know, like as like we said, they don't it isn't always a clear, you know Delineation between the two things Any other questions? Yeah, what where I landed on the what on the on that first question uh based upon direct experience that was recent and fresh in my mind as far as uh I was trying to make use of some shared libraries that one of our sister teams had started to use and I was using a fairly a a different Jenkins instance with a different set of plugins installed on it and I could I could imagine it not being easy for someone to think oh, I need to you know I need to go figure out what plug-in is providing that particular step rather than it just looking like Well, that didn't work. There's something wrong with my pipeline code. What do I have to go fix? Okay, I will overwrite the exist the questions here so that we're Not so that we're using consistent Questions are possible. Okay Anything to add and I miss Carl, did I miss your points completely or is that we're just agreeing more than anything else? Sorry clicking buttons. Uh, no, we're good. Cool. All right. Be sure All right dev ops team member david put the questions in here How do I start building a shared library? How can I get better gtsl support? Um, that one actually probably could also go in in here What's the best workflow patterns for teams? Uh, what are the ways to best use shared code? What are some common best practices? What are common use cases I can follow are there common use cases I can follow? Is there a link to videos from the Jenkins community? Is there documentation of basic usage of pipelines? Sorry, I did my inline questions there. That's fine. That's fine When I approached these questions a lot of the way I approached them was somebody that is now either taking over Jenkins or They they are go moving from a one platform, you know To to Jenkins and these are things that I would having been through that some questions. I start to think of okay Do we have other? Other things that go in here. I mean, this is a lot of this sounds like overlap from Erica. I'm trying to think of what the what additional Things would go in here the workflow patterns for teams is unique Shared code is Similar but slightly different Anyone else have any thoughts on this? I'm just doing this Maybe some questions about like how can they set things up? like in a repeatable manner something like First script approvals or something like if they sort of stand up a new Jenkins instance They want exactly like they had on the last instance Automate management management and configuration uh Multiple Jenkins masters Yeah That sounds good to me. I do also want to try to time box this Yeah, we're just about I'd say one minute off of the time box. So um I think it was 908 when I said let's take 10 minutes so So moving on to I'll come back and clean this up in just a second uh, moving on to Lisa How can I make pipeline support in my plugin easier for users? Will symbols help? What documentation should I write? This sounds like mark writing this Um, where will I uh, will that documentation be displayed? How do I write a job a unit test for pipeline code in my plugin? Where a common security are there common security threats I should understand while writing my plugin Where should I ask questions about developing pipeline support in my plugin? A lot of plugin detail stuff here. Um, what techniques can I can help me manage pipeline dependencies? Uh, what integrated development environment aids can help me develop pipeline support in my plugin? Let's see here static analysis tools. Some of these should get pulled back up into the So the rest were mine there. Okay. So I think mark and I interpreted differently mark I think interpreted it as like I want to use pipeline as a developer in a different plugin and I interpret at Lisa as I want to modify the core pipeline engine itself Like workflows for ps workflow job. Well, that's both of those are valid valid points there, right? So we have kind of different The thing is this that I would say that this this is one of the more open-ended ones in terms of like how how far up that Contributor chain you want to go and how deep into the import how deep into the journals you want to get of Jenkins, right? So my questions are I mean to summarize it it's about how do I maintain these plugins like the core pipeline engine? Absolutely. Okay I'm not going to go through all of them though. So I think that's good for the time box. Mark. Did you want to continue? I think we've got a good Good list. I need to pull some things back Maybe we can need to move things around a little bit, but I think we've covered a lot of the questions one way or the other Yeah, I will I'm going to be adding in another persona that I think is Good not call it Brian. Okay, Brian is going to be the student intern Didn't think about that one. Oh, I brought that up and I think that's a good point. Yeah, there was an HKS scenario We were discussing the marketing as a pre-chat So how does how is Brian different from say? um, I mean, I guess I would I would put Brian somewhere in the Like outside ic developer, right? like they're in terms of that I I could probably So how would you differentiate them from that? So for me, it's a level of experience because yeah student intern They come with limited knowledge of the industry Definitely of programming at level of pipeline dsl. Okay, and but still they may get cases like here's your Jenkins please automate some product I wouldn't say I agree with such approach, but I see that quite often So, uh, basically it's just a persona for relatively low experienced Jenkins user and Who is tasked to do some development and basically need the kind of ramp up Okay, um I don't feel strongly about hitting it as a person. No, no, I mean, I see what you're saying Like it's somewhere between it's somewhere between Erica and Olivia is the thing and I see what you're saying that that it's not quite either one of those because the There's less industry experience um And less Jenkins experience, but they're being asked to do things at the level that things that you might ask of the Olivia persona Mm-hmm Yeah, okay. That's that's fair. I mean, I I don't know that I don't know that we need it But I have no strong opinion to say that we shouldn't right um Also, don't have the wrong opinion. Actually it starts rather from a joke Which is But yeah as as do so many things um I will I'll add I'll add it in and it just be something that we can at least we have it and Well, I mean like you said, it is a good, um good perspective to sort of keep in mind that we that we want to support that that particular So still aren't explorer or whatever somebody who just starts using Jenkins wants to get something running quickly. So basically a high focus on user experience On things working out of the box But at the same time Leave me time to deep dive Okay Do do we want to have a persona asking the question should why should I continue using Jenkins versus something else? And I asked because something I'm I'm fighting with a lot. Yeah um And I I think it's kind of stupid because I don't think engineers should be focusing on cacd But since people are asking that question I mean, it's just a waste of time in my opinion to like switch stuff But is that something that we might address through persona? um Hmm Or is that no, no, I don't let me see so Yuri wouldn't ask that because he's too busy doing it Erica wouldn't ask that because she's Taking things as they are and working with them, right? It's probably the devs The either the and I think the dev ops team member would might might ask that question But they're but at that point they're very often they're like hey, we're doing this thing We've already got a big investment in this. We'll go ahead and continue like it's Uh, I think if there's someone who would ask that it might be um Olivia whether that in terms of the engineering side of it that it would be the Olivia persona that would ask that I was like, why why can't I use why don't we use something else, right? Yeah, I spent like some of the characteristics and questions that Olivia brings up Are indicative of frustration and frustration makes people consider other tools Yep, that's exactly right okay, let's And doesn't make it easy to do what I want or even could be I'm I'm familiar with something else and I'm You know join the shop. There's maybe two different things Uh Why don't we use some other tools that are Jenkins? Uh, I don't just do this in terms of Yeah I think that's good. Yeah Cool. All right That's a good question to have that on there. Yeah, um, and I think there there's probably I mean like maybe Maybe this one too Let's put it on David as well because I think I don't think you're your or Erica would be asked that question They're they're too much just like Get in the in the middle of it um but So there's those two Okay, I think we're good on this for I I feel I mean like I said if you want to add brian, I'm I'm totally like drop brian right in there. That'd be fine Um As a as a as a point, um, but other than that, uh, yeah, I think these are a good these are a good start if we want to add more later We can Awesome. Okay Excellent. So the next item that I had uh on the agenda was Let's see I wanted to talk about uh, we can we can move we can set discuss drafting roadmap for the last one I do think that the I do think the pipeline is yamal for google summer of code is a good discussion to have right now Okay, and I i'm gonna let oleg talk to this Yeah, i'm not sure whether it's a good discussion to dive too much because There is no students the call What we did over past week. We agreed that we would use pipeline alternative meetings to discuss The project sounds great Yeah, but so far it didn't work. Well, uh, maybe because of timing. I'm not sure So so maybe you will try another approach But uh, yeah, what I wanted to say that there is a project idea, which is specifically related Um, to pipeline ordering, uh, basically providing capability to write pipelines in fully declarative failure Is out groovy DSL Okay, and right now this proposal on the table Marky if you let me to share the screen Oh Oh, yeah, I can let you hear this. Yeah, there you go I do not have the proposal. That was me So yeah, if you want to I don't have the proposal. I'll drop a link for the proposal. I'd have to go find it real quick. Oh, oh Yeah, I have everything on my hotkeys right now Okay for jsock So here you can see that there is a number of proposals which are actually related to pipeline for example There are pipeline documentation generation improvements and today we've spent a lot of time discussing checks api How checks api steps could be also integrated into pipeline. So all proposals we've got so far include integration with pipeline Uh, but specifically there is pipeline as a yaml thing And pipeline as yaml think is a continuation of the project we had in 2018 Maybe you remember simple public with a job plugin Which basically offered a wrapper which was generating declarative pipeline from yaml syntax using jenki's configuration as code and other tools But that's what we had at that point Um, and right now the proposal we have on the table after multiple discussions That have an experimental plugin which would be doing basically the same supporting yaml definitions But it could be the definition close to jenki's x pipeline. So definition close to one of existing pipeline libraries Because we have a bunch of pipeline libraries which support yaml right now like let's say poet or mpaired Or a third proposal which was discussed recently is actually having support of syntax which will be closer to tecton So these options were discussed right now. We are waiting for proposals But if somebody is interested There is this project idea. There was also a new prototype started By a potential mentor for this project are you two so here you can find Is it Pipeline as yaml project. It's a new one just started Several weeks ago Which basically There is no documentation, but it persists an approach Where yaml is being interpreted directly without conversion so might be something interesting for the special interest group, especially if you want to You get a news about this project and if we get some an application which is acceptable We definitely try to make it happen in kind of the overall author So The pipeline is yaml Idea is separate from declarative. They're just going to do their own All right, it depends because right now there is There are multiple ways how it could be implemented. How is a sock works? We expect Students to come up with their proposals based on project ideas and then with his help of mentors his inputs to implement them So the final implementation Would be really dependent on the applications we get Okay, and There are your concerns about how it would map Inter-existing pipeline ecosystem. So we run with the proposal this is the experimental of Disclaimer, so whatever happens it would be initially a prototype and it wouldn't Won't be promoted as a Standard yaml implementation at least in the beginning unless there is strong consensus in the community about that Okay So everything is Under discussion now, but yeah, there is one contributor I think who actually Did some progress. Yeah, who's interested? There are your students reaching out and asking But yeah, right now the traffic isn't that high, but yeah, maybe you will have something this year Okay I've added the link to the to the project in the in the dark Yeah, thank you. Thank you. And now you also had personas in the cdf Oh, yeah, it's a separate thing I put on the table because I don't know. Did anyone have questions? Sorry. I was moving on there. Did anyone have any questions on this? None for me I just need to actually I guess I should get in on that on the Gitter channel and Stay in touch with that Yeah, Gitter channel for this project points to pipeline authoring sick So as long as you're within pipeline authoring then all students To be there. Okay. And if something happens in JSOC channels, we generally forward people Okay, whether they send a message to new channels. It's a separate story, but yeah, sometimes it happens. Okay Anything else? Okay And yeah regarding Personas and cdf and cdf there is a specialist group about interoperability And what they're doing now these they are trying to define common terminology. They're trying to define Personas for cicd tools and basically it's It maps personas for pipeline No, yeah, Jenkins personas Are different, but still there might be some opportunities for collaboration Okay, uh, do you have a link to that sig that you could paste in And just a second Yeah, there is GitHub repository for that Right now there is not much content. Okay. Okay. I pasted it in the zoom chat Great. Thank you. I will Add that to the links. Okay. So good. Um, so we should Go look into that Yeah, so once you have something analyzed for Jenkins, maybe it makes sense to at least link it up in the Interoperability sig so to see whether there is some Uh overlap with other tools because I believe that spinnaker has problems which are quite close to Jenkins Uh for tecton for Jenkins x. Yes. So the space is a bit different Uh, but at the same time it's something where Jenkins might be looking at in several years. Who knows? So some collaboration might make sense. Okay members meetings Thursdays 1500 utc. Okay Is that okay? Um, let's probably start looking looking into that. Okay Um marky, I think we're Oh, like thanks for bringing that up just to be clear and uh, uh, we should See about joining that Yeah, so No, it's just for information. Yeah, thank you. I would I wouldn't have known to look so thank you Awesome Road map. Yep. I was uh, oh like put out a Uh, sort of overall arching roadmap for the Jenkins project as a whole and I uh, I think it would be Advantages for every SIG but For at least for the pipeline authoring SIG to start coming up with the roadmap that can roll up into that roadmap Okay, I know I've talked to you about that Liam getting that Starting to dictate what we want to get done um, but I'd like to start to First get everybody from the community's buy-in on that and then start to get something drafted out About things that we want to work on so people have a good idea I will say a lot of My urgency on the matter came from an interaction with another community member who was Very frustrated about the lack of progress in just overall Stuff that was prior to Oleg releasing the roadmap, but more mainly towards uh, just like, you know The gdsl and things like that and just you know, things just don't seem to be moving So I thought this would be great. Have a roadmap Let me just Not this person is frustrated. Are they are they doing anything? I'm gonna be yeah, no, it's a it's a fair question. Totally fair question Please define persona market Which persona is this right? So, uh, this does not fall in a persona. Well, maybe it does maybe it's I want everything to be Fixed and I don't want to have to contribute anything. I just want it to work Well, that's that's that's closest to the Olivia one really it's because that's the person who's coming in from the outside Outside IC developer, right? Yeah tends to be right. They're like, look, I I'm trying to do something else with this This is the less. I need to think about this the better, right? Yeah, so I just would like to start thinking about coming up with the roadmap that shows what we're going to Try to achieve, you know in a given period of time and obviously we know where I'll volunteers but Go ahead I didn't say anything. No, no, uh, so I I just I I think it would be good if we started to think about items we want to To achieve and I don't think we need to set, you know Artificial dates on them the things that we're sort of prioritizing with the community needs To say we're going to get this in in we're going to try to get this in in a release cycle or however we think about it But well, so the thing that I the one thing I would I would Want to clarify here is is the is you're saying we want to try and get this in and I think part of the point of this sig is to do Is to raise awareness so that We aren't the ones necessarily doing it. Um, this is very much like we're volunteers We're obviously we are contributing and we're going to do something with it, but I want to be I'll make sure that when we message this it's hey, this is a project being worked on and you can join I agree. I and and we say to whoever is out there because otherwise it becomes a People will look at it much like what you're this Community member that you're talking about will say well, when is it happening? Well, and I you know, we all we all have aside from Jenkins We probably have other other projects that we also work on it's like when is it's happening? Well, you tell me when is it happening because I I'm doing what I can Like if you want to join in Yeah, I'd like to add I'd like to add that I 100 percent 150 percent agree with you I do think that we have to as Leaders of a given sig have to set some sort of work precedence and when as we set, you know Those precedents then we can say hey, here's what we're working on and We'd love your help or if somebody's complaining about a specific or and I don't want to say complaining If somebody's voicing of concern about a specific issue Then we could say hey, that's actually on our roadmap It's a little bit further down But I'll tell you what the reason it's further down is because we don't have a lot of help But if you'd love to help we can pull that up Yep And Oleg you have a question Not a question under the comment. So that our map proposal I put In the developer mailing list for the record my proposal documents the process doesn't document The roadmap contents you would be reaching out to six and someone else to get the content Did you just send that out? Is there a link that you yeah, I can Send your link it's in the developer mailing list Okay, right now. Yeah, so The implementation is basically aligned with what you were saying came So we Don't do any kind of commitment We specifically deploy roadmap to raise visibility of the projects Visibility for contributors visibility for vendors because it's also important You want the vendors to be involved and to see where Jenkins is going And at the same time We Will be facilitating the things Because we have a really positive experience. For example in jcask space and documentation space recently where community contributors could do a lot of things Help of seeks like entities, which just do Some assistance make things happen. Some like is do sponsorship site for delivering changes And this approach can really work Later, we could also align it with community bridge projects So so there is google summer of code, but we also did a Successful experiment for community bridge this year. We have slated on the call by the way Who was working on jcask developer tools? And uh, hello one. Yeah Once we resolve Topics with Jenkins funding, which is on my plate as a board member We will be able to sponsor more such projects And that's where roadmap could also help because it can help us to prioritize the projects to be worked on in this way so we try to have Top priority projects in all areas not only features also infrastructure community governance and other things I just listed in a single place so we can navigate And help others to discover things Oh, right. And I forgot i'm not sharing anymore Let me it's like, oh, I've got that link up here. There is okay Yeah So this is that that message and sort of your ideas for how that might look Okay Yeah, it's just the beginning So if you're familiar with blotion roadmap, I just took it and adjusted to my proposal in terms of process, etc Right But yeah, the final look and feel may be different because it depends on the number of items And if you're going up to something like 50 items, maybe more and the current listing won't be really good for that But in principle, it would be like that Okay And then that's where I was thinking we could have we start to think about our stuff to roll up into this as the as our sake Absolutely Okay, sounds good. I mean like this is This is good. I don't I think that So we're coming down to time um I don't have things directly on my list in terms of what should go on the roadmap um So it's not not off the top of my head, right? So what I was going to do is I was going to start doing the draft and then you and I could sort of Work together on that I'll start the basic part of it and this will be open to the community So everybody is is welcome to to jump in and do that But uh, I was going to say let's get the first, you know start iterating on it And then that's where we'll start to see where Items that we want to start working on can actually be You know, we can start to prioritize those items as a SIG to say what we want to start working on Sounds good So I will take the initial draft response or excuse me to the end I will create the initial draft And then I'll uh get it out there so everybody can start iterating on it. I'll have that ready before next meeting Okay. Yeah, if you create it once once you create it and start typing in it, uh, It gets easier for everyone else to jump jump in, right? So Yep All right That was all for me. Okay. Okay. Does anybody have any questions comments concerns? For me one of concerns is european meeting Because we tried to run good two times in the time a different time frame But what times it didn't really work out? So are there more people in the european time zone who have expressed interest? Well, that's the problem because Advanced is now right now. Okay. And at the same time It's 4 p.m. So it's better than 6 p.m. On Friday, that's for sure. Well now it's 5 p.m. until then But still It's quite late for example in asian and pacific region So for me, for example, uh, it would be more preferable to Do it. Let's say early in European time zone So let's say quite late in united states, but good for asian and pacific region It's given that there are people interested, but yeah, it firstly starts from people So should I get together another doodle because I think I have to just go back and double check I think we put a doodle out there and that was the time Yeah, it was a time I selected but the votes They were not so many of them So my suggestion would be to just drop a message in the mailing list and ask hey if we do it in approximately in these Time frame, would there be somebody else interested? Yeah, and the the one that seems to be most most uh Happy making for your your time frame is like midnight us and midnight on the east coast kind of time frames. So Um, and I'm not I'm not opposed. I'm just saying like it that's the as opposed to being them being pretty close together on two different days I'm really it having them be really a disparate time would be better So you're thinking like something like maybe nine p.m. Pacific time Uh later than that 10 11 I'm not opposed to it that but for but you wouldn't run it. That's fine Thank you Yeah, no, this would be we would have to we would have to have something where we kind of trade off or something, you know but like uh Or just you know, oh like or we find someone else who's in that time zone that wants to run it. Um I might be able to run it and Theoretically when all that love of this united states is not necessary. It's uh, well, it would be nice to have in general But if there is an opportunity to expand the community It would be great, but right now I don't see obvious opportunities to do that Well, I'm also kind of a night owl. So I mean like if it comes down to what I can do late uh late night You know check in. Hey, I'll I'll at least be present to to To do things. It's just it's it would be a Concerted effort. So what time do we so what I what I'm hesitant on doing is sending out another doodle because that creates I in my mind it creates chaos and people think like what can't they get this together uh But I will also say that nobody has joined besides Oleg so but that might be a timing thing. Yeah, so at that point you're like So maybe if we just set the time and say it's 10 p.m. Pacific Or 11 p.m. Pacific exactly and just set it and then uh And we just go from there Yeah, maybe Or just asking whether somebody would be interested Set approximate time zone Well, let's say a range of two hours And ask if somebody is interested Please let us know if nobody is interested. Okay. We just killed a new meeting can kill somebody is interested And that's it I'm hope My I guess sending out an email asking that would be the same as sending out a doodle Yeah It's gonna And I'm not opposed to it. I guess more what I'm worried about is the optics of sending out different doodles And then people just are getting confused I think because nobody has joined you just set the time and wait for people to complain I know that seems like maybe the wrong thing to say but One of the things I have found in in another community that I'm in is when you put doodles out and People will complain once something has been set And then when you go to look back at the doodle at the people that are complaining, they didn't even participate It's just better to set the time It's the it's the science of when you give someone a choice, they will be less happy with that choice Exactly Yeah, so, uh, you know, I'm I'm I'm open Oh, look it this is I I maybe you should Decide and like you you have a particular perspective on this so Um, and I trust that perspective. So my point is maybe you pick a time and then we'll figure out how to make it work Okay, so well, I mean like I like you have you have I you've you've expressed a specific like, okay There's a space that where this would work. I want to know what that is and let's let's go with it, right? Okay, there'll be two things that I'll need to do on my end is one is uh We'll need to adjust the sig Uh landing page on jinkun.io. Whatever the time is we choose. So that's corrected and number two Uh, the zoom that I'm using is not the cdf zoom and the reason that I'm not using that is because it's there's just been too many problems with that How I can I have the ability, uh, I think I've got like 10 host keys that I can give out So if we do move it to a different time, I can and someone's going to host that I can definitely make them a host So they're able to run the zoom on there and I However, the cdf zoom is empty in What's a In-ear time zone Okay, it's not a problem. There is no meeting collisions. No anything Okay, so I'll just either you or myself whomever just needs to there needs to get a pr in to whatever date or time We're going to do that. So you can just assign all the items to me because I'm probably the most interested person Starting from the next week. I won't be able to participate again though right now. It's hard to predict when you can participate Uh, but uh, yeah, uh, you can just assume that everything is on need to implement Until we're to be kind of put a european meetings on hold Just to save everybody's time Okay, cool um, oleg I put this on your plate for actions items Great We are at the top of the hour just a little bit past does anybody have anything that they'd like to add before we close out this meeting Awesome, everybody. Have a great weekend. I will have the video up in short amount of time And if nobody has anything else have a great weekend. Thanks everyone Thanks


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ما أردت أنه يوجد أفضل مختلف when it comes to the narrative ويوجد even the way that the language that's used in زيارة عشراء ونزيارة أربعين هل أنت تشعر بالأمر عن ذلك؟ أعتقد أن one of the main points in which we realize why there is a difference is who actually narrated the زيارة زيارة عشراء we said was by Imam Zain العابدين عليه الصلاة والسلام whereas this specific زيارة is by Imam Sadiq عليه أفضل الصلاة والسلام وكما قلتنا before, in the same way that the Imams they had different ways in which they gave their teachings and we mentioned that before, so no need to go over it again another thing we realize is that this Tao in دعاة is different as well right in which we realize so I'm going to just ask a question we can talk about this we see for example دعاة كمول narrated by Imam Ali and we find دعاة بحمد الثمالي narrated by Imam Zain العابدين there's a difference in that as well although the quote is very similar although the quote of that دعاة and seeking closeness to Allah and asking forgiveness it's very similar but it's different so دعاة افتتاح سرية I'm really interested in this topic so mine will be probably a simpler question is it the style you're saying that sort of they start off with praising Allah then it's the wording there's always something different in the wording so is there can I look at a دعاة and then find like a certain word or a phrase and then say okay this one is associated with a certain Imam do you know what it is a lot of our scholars in fact the way they know that the دعاة is actually so you know how we look at senate usually look at senate our scholars when they look at دعاة they look at what is included in the دعاة the way it is written and through that they know what the senate is to the extent where even دعاة بحمد الثمالي some people came forward and they said this دعاة has no senate scholars came forward and they said even if there is no senate to it at all and we cannot find a specific person narrating it we still know that it goes back to the Imam because of what it includes that is very specific so do you know on the top of your head any type of language that's used that's associated specifically with the Imam Ali for example I wish I would know honestly I wish I would know I guess that's something for the viewers to actually actually if the viewers want to send in some of their findings as to if they can actually go back home and then look up different دعاة or supplications to find a correlation between one that's specific to Imam Ali that would be actually very fascinating to educate us and another thing we realize not only is it within دعاة even in their speeches so we realize the way رسول الله used to talk it's not the same way Imam Ali talked the way فاطمت الزهراء talked it's not the way Imam Ali talked all of the imams the way their speeches worked and we've mentioned before about Sayyida Zaynah and how the person what do he specifically say he says كي أنا تفرغوا عن لسان أبيها أزعزف Imam Ali أزعزف فاطمت الزهراء أزعزف فاطمت الزهراء أزعزف فاطمت الزهراء أزعزف فاطمت الزهراء أزعزف فاطمت الزهراء is she talking like her mother because there's a specific That would possibly be the most relevant thing to say yes absolutely because usually the daughter tends to be yes it's normal take more like the mother does but he specifically said it's as if Imam Ali is talking because of the style of the speech and similarly with the dua the way the dua the way the ziyara is said it just shows something else and we see not only in this and I think we possibly have a episode specifically for this for Ziyarcil Náhiyan even the way you're approaching لا يمكنك أن تتوقف


en seeing a little bit more of I feel like I haven't seen too many of those Burgundy Bordeaux or Merlot color for the Orange for the Tigers more Julian Alvarez a red rookie we've got Saeed Eza Tolahi for Iran 200 out of 399 Robert Lewandowski Silver 10 out of 199 Portugal that's gonna be for Ed Diago Jota another one for Portugal Liverpool guys well I like his game along with Cristiano Ronaldo they got some names on that team like sometimes they switch off and you know they'll let some silly results happen but there's Alistair Johnson for Canada rookie Silver for Sean Matty but on paper that Portuguese team looks really good nice Mike Tower thanks for the research cardboard connection has out of 22 as Maroon there you go Maroon like Merlot better but we'll go with going nice Casper Schmeichel they've got a little probably from the manufacturing process those little smudges right there looks like some sort of track mark or something like that but I feel like that's something that could be cleaned up a little bit but that's another case hit National Landmarks Denmark that's for Kevin I've never been to Denmark but I would assume that's what it looks like I mean that downtown that National Landmark is not lying there's Marquinhos 44 out of 299 blue for Brazil that'll be for Michael and we've got a rookie Silver for Argentina that's Gonzalo Montiel you're welcome Mike you're welcome Kevin that is and Mike saying for the rest of this break you'll be Schmeichel tower right yeah no worries Kevin I feel like you can clean up that card a little bit so I don't know what it is maybe someone else there's like a little I think I saw this in another one too a little line right there just wanted to highlight that for you so you know what to expect when you get it something must have happened that manufacturing process when they were inserting the inserts it's all the other cards look pretty clean in terms of right out of the package so I think I've noticed that with some of the case hits it almost feels like they were manufactured at a separate time and then set aside and then brought back to be inserted in and something must have happened along the way we've got a National Pride card for Ghana Felix Afena Gayan Silver that's part of the combo spot another martinelli for Michael in Brazil and then we got the hyperparallel rookie Jong Woo Young for Korea that'll be for Andrew here's Ruben Diaz 99 out of 199 for Portugal that'll be for Ed Hyun Min Sung Silver and the redemption any guesses on the redemption for bragging rights there's Ronald Arujo 53 out of 3 199 for Uruguay Brian H Morocco Silver they're in the knockout stages they're going to try to knock out Spain tomorrow a bit of an upset Darwin Nunez Argentina Kevin Tobin Darwin Nunez that would make Brian Heyman very happy he's got Uruguay is he a known redemption there's Irman Luzza for Morocco rookie hyper Alvarez and we got for France we got Pressnell Kimpembe 264 out of 299 for Le Bleu Sean with France we got Caledu Qualibali 56 out of 299 for Senegal that's part of the combo team Steven with the combo spot Karl Toko Ekambi for Cameroon I guess a bunch of North African Central African teams West African teams trying to put together some bids for a World Cup could be interesting alright the redemption is it's Diago Jota for Portugal that's for Ed and a Liverpool player as well pretty exciting player to watch let's see if he can make some noise in the World Cup wait is he fit for the World Cup no I don't actually don't think he's been playing yeah because because he got a calf injury that's right you got a calf injury back in October and he's not going to be back for club until February he's definitely missing the World Cup unfortunate he just hit me because I was like wait a second I haven't seen him at all on the pitch he'd definitely be getting minutes if he was healthy and then I realized yeah that's right he's like I haven't seen him for Liverpool in a while too alright final box ladies and gentlemen final box good luck making some really good time on this break I got sidetracked in the previous break on looking up stuff for future World Cups I'm excited about the next World Cup 2026 right here in the United States at some point this month I think they typically announced the next World Cup this World Cup so there's a lot of interesting bids happening where would you like to see that's a good question for those of you listening where would you like to see a World Cup where would you like to see a World Cup happen I know Argentina I think a lot of countries are teaming together like the North America one I think feel like a lot countries are kind of teaming together to do joint World Cups so I know that like I know that like Argentina and a couple other countries are trying to make something happen I think Mexico is putting in a bid Portugal Spain I think are putting in a joint bid I think Egypt might put in a bid talked about some of the Central African West African team that countries might put together a bid so yeah there's a pre-drug the Rogkovich 84, 298 Japan that would be a cool one yeah when was the Japan Korea World Cup that was a long time ago right deserve a return to that neck of the world there's Moises Caicedo Rookie Silver for Ecuador that will be for the combo spot behind us seeing Australia post one nice Jonathan David blue mojo 15 out of 75 for Canada that will be for Sean thought Canada might be a Cinderella team he had a really good qualifying but at a young team they'll be fine I'm sure what am I going to Australia for a World Cup for Iran there is Ali Goli Zade that's for the combo spot we've got Yousef Poulsen to 399 for Denmark that will be for Kevin we're getting towards the end here I think that's our last autograph and it's Giovanni Lo Celso International Inc another one for Larry and Argentina nice alright now let's see what are the fun parallels we have to close out this break we've got a red Rafael Liao 64 out of 3 99 Saudi Arabia Sultan Al Ganam Rookie Pink I think Saudi Arabia might be making a pitch for the World Cup but I think since it's been in Qatar I think they might do it elsewhere and this rookie silver is the last thing here it's Alexander Ziku for Ghana that's part of the combo spot and that's that gang that's the break appreciate everyone getting in quick little recap here thanks everyone for watching and for breaking with us I'm Joe, I'll see you next time for the next soccer break JaspeysCaseBreaks.com I made a note for the shipping team to send that piece of the box with the code and a wrapper for that damaged card a lot of times people have done this with varying results sometimes it works you know I think it's worth reaching out to their customer service you can use this video as evidence as well and a lot of times they'll be able to get you a replacement or at least ask for a replacement or see if you can get anything in return um it's not guaranteed that they'll do anything for you but for something like that probably worth the shot alright Adam gets a full spot in the double header that order is about half an hour ago and our first order in 45 minutes um I know we've been kind of cleaning out the site a lot it's been a lot of uh not a lot of quantity on the site but definitely a lot of quality on the site um browse around go to JaspeysCaseBreaks.com got about 45 minutes left in the show I'm not sure what we could really get into um at this stage of the night seems like we're a little far away on stuff I would love to rally around like a filler that's only $18.99 that's only $35.99 $34.99 that'll help fill up these two divisional breaks keep working on that antique collegiate you know with a little luck we might be able to even get that done tonight um that's just that's a quick two box break that we can quickly fill and break alright I think the most expensive team of the Steelers at $1.70 everything's like $70 or less there's still a handful of $20 teams there too there's one two three four five five $20 teams that gets it down to 12 one two three about another four teams that are between the 30 and $50 range that'll get us into single digits and then maybe that'll activate some of the higher rollers to grab some of the bigger teams next thing you know we're in Breaksville I mean it could happen like that we've seen it happen I know it can happen which is why I always talk about it and why I always uh stay as late as possible because I never know when a rally's gonna happen that bone chrome baseball that double header is gonna take a while to break it's like a two hour break but if we keep shipping away at it uh tonight maybe even do a filler or two right if that's when the first break to the day we'll usually be able to get some help from one of our team members help make that break go even faster that will help fill out that I think probably a little I mean probably a little late because this fills in the next two minutes but I think we're a little late for this but hey let's at least get it close to single digits when the east coasters wake up they'll be able to polish that off that single case picker team might be our first break of the day tomorrow we can do that tonight immaculate two this is an easy one to do we don't need very many people for this 10 of 10 left two box break of 2022 immaculate baseball that's what we just cracked up of a fresh case was it a fresh case six boxes left from an eight box case so break six was a fresh case so take a look at that maybe that'll move the needle for you um more hta loaded up that'll most definitely go into a filler so grab your team straight up before it does museum collection let's get that into single digits closer to it hit parade basketball jazzy exclusive dual case break spectra basketball that's a fun one to do that's not super expensive and some really nice hits in this four box hit parade basketball mixer two boxes of gold two boxes of platinum all basketball and two number blocks away from knocking out NT World Cup would love to see that happen as well maybe tonight I've been pulling some really nice stuff out of the soccer so these hands must be must be hot feeling hot hot hot hot begins with me every break begins with me I've gone I've gone to like ironic so uh so yeah I like have yourself a merry roll of Christmas white Christmas the 30th anniversary this is the other one there's a classic there's a classic Christmas Beach Boys Christmas the sixteenth I did die I grew up in a that's a good song that's a good song still a good song unless David Bowie did it I was at a bar or a Christmas pop-up bar yeah that me and my friends went into we were just kind of bar-hopping across the way it was like a little kind of thing they were all taller like they actually they were like like oh it's a pop-up bar it's usually like a sneaky kind of place but for one night we were just like they were walking yeah they were like they were like they were like they were like they were walking a little bit they were walking a little bit they were walking a little bit they were walking a little bit I think I did maybe one one case Jason rocked through all of those over the weekend Oliver what's going on yeah kind of slow until now we knocked out a choice and then a world cup right after that but yeah kind of slow down after we finish that world cup break I should have stretched that world cup break out let's see if there's any ooh nice Oliver there's Aaron Judge in Tampa Bay so that means Tampa Bay Rays are going to sign Aaron Judge right I'm good for you Andrew Heaney he's got multiple three-year offers but looking for a contract that will add a fourth year good for you Shelby Miller will be the next Dodgers Dodgers reclamation project and we'll send we'll have a nice season from him and he'll go get paid I like the idea of you know there may be a lot of players that want to go to the Dodgers and then send you off to get some big deals I don't think Carlos Correa I don't think the Dodgers are pursuing Carlos Correa I don't think I want I don't think I want Carlos Correa either I think I think Aaron Judge actually probably goes back to the Yankees and then I think the Giants will actually go and get Carlos Correa which would be fitting I think Carlos Correa probably wants a deal longer than two or three years I don't think the Dodgers are offering many contracts over that amount of years I think they may be more active in the trade market and young guys I think they would have done Verlander but the Met gave him that third year option I think he liked that but I think that's what the Dodgers I think that's why they're not in the mix for Aaron Judge I don't think they'll give out a nine year deal for Aaron Judge at over $300 million I don't think they're gonna do that so I think that's so yeah I think that's did really the Yankees offer more for Verlander I suppose there's a little bit of a rivalry with the Astros and the Yankees so maybe that's why he didn't go with the Yankees yeah and I don't think Carlos Correa I don't think he wants to go to Los Angeles because I think there'd be a wide deal with the extra pressure right if you play poorly Dodger fans will be very quick to boo that guy if he if he plays poorly there's no Carlos chance like Freddie Freeman got he got on base you know what I mean it's not gonna be like that that's for sure so I think Carlos Correa himself doesn't want to want to be out here I don't blame him so I think the Dodgers are gonna kind of they kind of they're trying to thread the needle they've got to stay under the luxury tax which they're committed to do but I don't think they're afraid to spend money for the right deal they commit to long term deals they definitely want young guys to start stepping up if they've got that great farm system that's top 10, top 5 in baseball every year why you know why would they you know why not play those guys see that's what I think I think they're gonna be more active in the trade market get Corbin Burns and William Demis from the Brewers I think that deal could still happen outside of Sandy Alcantara the Marlins are looking to move some of their young starters maybe for a little hitting their offense is an issue so like Dodgers were looking at Pablo Lopez at the deadline last summer so maybe that deal will still happen this year they could use a starter like that you know yeah Brian Reynolds to ask for a trade Brian Reynolds is a perfect Dodgers type edition you know you can stick him in the in the outfield I think he still has a few years left in his deal good fielder you know I heard the Dodgers maybe kicking the tires kicking the tires on J.D. Martinez right because although that pitching staff yeah if you put in like a if you put a Pablo Lopez in here somewhere or or a Corbin Burns would probably be a number two starter on this squad right two or three you know but I would I would love to see a Corbin Burns in this rotation and then Tony Gonsolin, Dustin May and then maybe a little sprinkle in a little Pepio sprinkle a little Bobby Miller you know there's another young pitcher like kind of flying up the of the ranks Gavin something stone maybe playing on his name you know kind of refresh the refresh the squad the relief pitching a little bit maybe Evan Phillips will be closer maybe Brewstar Gratterall yeah one of these guys right then you then you give Miguel Vargas some work let's see what you got man I mean let's develop the next the next rookie of the year let's develop the next sort of sort of young player let's find the next Will Smith let's find the next you know whoever you know that guy might be Miguel Vargas you know let's see if let's see Gavin Lux continue to improve you know I don't think we're going to start the season with Trace Thompson or Chris Taylor in the outfield I think in in addition will be made there and I think this is probably the year where yeah you start seeing Diego Cartaya put in some work you know I don't know how long Austin Barnes is going to be here but he might he might get traded I guess maybe the Kershaw around Austin Barnes gets another but I think it might be time where you know you'll see you'll see Will Smith DH Diego Cartaya behind the plate I mean that should be that should be a guy that should be with the Dodgers for a long time let's get Bobby Miller into the mix let's give him some starts you know Miguel Vargas I think Michael Bush is being expected to to come up and you know and fight for regular playing time you should do 25 years old you know this is the year I'd like to see Andy Pogus kind of get some outfield work you know see those guys get regular work there's Gavin Stone right here yeah so I'm pretty much look at all these guys ETA 2023 2022 22 23 22 23 basically everyone in the top 7 you know would really like to see if two of those guys become regulars that'd be great yeah I don't know about Michael Bush but but I mean Bobby Miller Miguel Vargas I mean those are the two guys Pogus I feel like those three guys Cartaya those four guys maybe I feel like should be should be every dayish sort of player that could be that young core you know where next year Walker Bueller is kind of the old guy which would be kind of crazy to say but to think about it I'm time flies but like those guys should be I mean why have unless we're gonna trade these but I mean we've been trading prospects for a while you know I feel like we've done enough of that you know we gotta reset the luxury tax anyway let's see what we got with these guys and I think that might be the challenge the Dodgers need they may need the challenge of hey let's really lean on these young guys let's see who's gonna step up you know who's gonna help protect Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman in the lineup who's gonna be the next starter after Julio Uris and Kershaw Kershaw will certainly miss a little bit of time with his wonky back you know so he's not gonna make 30 starts a year so who's gonna fill in those Kershaw spots you know who's gonna step the next Walker Bueller probably Bobby Miller feel like he's got a similar sort of style yeah we've got we have gotten lucky we have sent prospects away that didn't necessarily make it in the big leagues or have just been you know league average so yeah so we've gotten a little lucky there but I feel like this crop is the kind of players where you're just like alright these guys have to play right Andy Pogus has to play right I mean let's stick them in the outfield he's spent most of his time in center field this might be your Bellinger replacement right here Andy Pogus I would love to see that right Miguel Vargas he might end up at third you know if there's no Justin Turner or if Justin Turner comes back mostly a DH kind of guy you gotta put Miguel Vargas out there at third or in the outfield Michael Bush second or in the outfield right Gavin Lux Michael Bush kind of middle infield got Miguel Vargas and Freddie Freeman at the corners some combo of that Chris Taylor will be in the mix as well I'm sure Mookie Betts in the outfield Pogus in the outfield you know one of these guys in the out somewhere with I mean there's there's a lot of rotational pieces there you know oh yeah Max Muncie I mean healthy Max Muncie I mean he started to figure things out last part of the season put him at second DH somewhere and if he goes back to Max Muncie form that's going to be strong the problem is is that regular season wise the Dodger is so good like one through one through five one through six and they got enough depth and pitching to beat the bad teams do well against the good teams you know blah blah blah blah but you get to the playoffs then all of a sudden there's quality starting pitching after a couple of pitchers you know reveals itself you know and then you know the injuries to try and didn't help you know so got to figure that out and then the six seven eight nine batters seven eight nine batters were like a black hole the Padres those seven eight nine hitters you know one games for the Padres you can't you just can't go into it with a black hole seven eight nine because they'll have they'll be able to figure out how to neutralize you know for the most part I mean the Mookie Betts had a pretty good play out but they'll figure out a way to neutralize those guys that and Freddie Freeman so if those guys are cold you got to have or being dealt with you know you got to be able to to have your sort of those seven eight nine guys you know kind of surprise or be competitive enough not just be competitive just keep getting on base or try to get on base to give you know the top guys an opportunity right Betts will most likely be lead off hitter now that Trey Turner got he'll be lead off hitter the entire way so if one of those seven eight nine guys can get on and even if Mookie Betts goes one for four in the playoffs if that's in the seventh inning eighth inning and that's the big double that he gets because there you go I mean those are those are wins right there the Dodgers they need a little they need a little adversity I think I think they need some of the young guys I think they need to kind of work together rally around the young guys and let them grow into a season you know and I'm sure if you need the Dodgers can easily make moves you know by the trading deadline if they really needed to so I'm not too worried about this off season I don't think they're ever in play for any of the guys who wanted contracts past three years I think it's like JD Martinez for two years that's not a bad deal you know I could even see I could even see the Dodgers going with Danesby Swanson he might be young enough and the kind of guy where he might think oh yeah you know Correa is going to get a ton of money Trey Turner is going to get a ton of money Xander Bogarts is going to get a ton of money and the fourth guy, the fourth shortstop out there am I getting a ton of money? probably not but if you think about it aren't all the top shortstops pretty much locked up Tetease Junior's locked up Francisco Lindor's locked up Trey Turner's locked up Correa will be locked up Correa Seager got a big deal last year go down the list if I'm Danesby Swanson I may be interested you know someone might give him a big deal anyway but I'm not interested in a team saying hey like the Dodgers saying hey do you want to be on a competitive playoff team do you want to be a key part of that team do you want to get two years for $35 million a year get a big payday for a couple years and then get another bite at the free agent Apple in two years because everyone else will be locked up and people will be like hey where's the next shortstop where's the next big shortstop that we can get and go on to that market and be like bang here I am you know maybe he gets himself a $200 million deal or something like that but a deal like that for the Dodgers I think is still out there like a JD Martinez kind of deal you know who the power went down but yeah I don't think so either but I feel like depending on how the rest of the shortstop market goes he might be interested in getting another bite at the Apple about the free agent Apple once all the other big name free agents have been tied up he'll probably go back to the Braves I want to say but um but yeah I think those are the kind of deal the free agent deals that the Dodgers are going to do like Carlos Rodon I'd like to see him but he's got a little bit of an injury history and he wants like six years I don't feel like giving him that I feel like we can develop the next Carlos Rodon I think that's the other thing I don't want to find those long deals because they don't want to they don't want to block potential like the next Trey Turner the next Danesby Swanson could be in this organization you know the next Carlos Correa could be in the organization the next Andrew Bogarts you know could be you know the next Carlos Rodon the next Jacob de Grom the next Walker Bueller could be in could be in the farm system I have a feeling the Dodgers will make a little outside moves maybe a couple small free agent moves here and there maybe trademark it like you were saying all of her like with the Brewers or the Marlins I could see them working the phones on that hey let's get Willy Ademis let's get Corbin Burns out to the Dodgers Brewers are clearly rebuilding and then um and then maybe chase like Pablo Lopez Danesby will be a cub every year Cubs fans feel like they're in on these big free agents but I don't know why a free agent would go there unless you overpay for Danesby Swanson if you're Danesby Swanson you're going from World Series winning team perennial playoff contender with guys like Ozzy Albies and Ronald Acuna Jr and Austin Riley and Matt Olson guys like that in the lineup to what? if you're a free agent that's used to that then uh I don't know I think you want to go to a playoff team unless hey listen maybe Danesby just wants a payday maybe the Cubs want to overpay in that case more power to Danesby Swanson good for him but yeah I think for the Dodgers maybe trademark it that's where it is Corbin Burns Pablo Lopez from the Marlins let's get that I wouldn't mind Corbin Burns on this team 20 year old Corbin Burns from Bakersfield California come back to the West Coast you know willia demis isn't isn't too bad either good with the glove has a little pop 31 homers hey uh what about Christian Yelich would that be kind of a crazy would that be a crazy pickup you think you can buy low on Christian Yelich I think yeah I think Aaron Judge gets nine I think it's just he's just son uh he's done such a great job you know he's done such a great job I mean what an incredible oh you know what someone asked I think it was me was it Mike Tower someone asked a question earlier is this the single best season that a person has had going into free agency you know like um yeah I think that is that is the best performance I've ever seen at least in the last 20 years that I've seen of a guy in a walk here knocking out an MVP and setting a record setting number of home runs like that's just I don't know the brewer seem like they're I know Yelly is a little eh but gosh he's got a lot of years left maybe not maybe maybe in a couple years but I don't know 26 million dollars a year is kind of not a lot I guess if the brewers you just you're kind of stuck with him I don't think he's going to get maybe not right now maybe once he has like three years left in his deal I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on it Christian Yellich I don't think that yeah if the brewers move him they're going to have to eat contract I don't think they're going to do maybe they will I don't know maybe they're kind of in a rebuild they're trading a lot of guys like sounds like a Demis and Corbin Burns they let go of Josh Hader last year so it just sounds like they're just sort of rebuilding if that's the case you know if they eat how much salary would they have to eat Oliver for you to take that if he's a 20 million dollar a year player you know the Dodgers that could be a good reclamation project come back home Christian Yellich maybe change a scenery might do him good half yeah probably would probably have to be half half not with that many years left who's the mystery team Stephen punk well beyond the Yankees and Giants are you saying there's a mystery team out there a third team who is that mystery team that could just be Scott Boris saying that there's a mystery team they try to you know a mystery team to try to pit create a bidding war with each other I mean Yankees seem to suggest that they're going to try to they're going to beat every offer they're going to beat every offer that they know of basically so I think I think the Giants are definitely serious and are in on it and if if the Yankees get a chance to counter right I think they're going to beat every offer that they're going to do because I think the Yankees are kind of in a weird position where they don't want to tell their fans hey we they don't want to tell their fans hey we um we got cheap you know I don't think fans like that I think for the Yankees they want their narrative to be we gave him the biggest contract that was out there and he declined and decided that he's a free agent he can go anywhere he wants to that he decided to go back to or decide to go somewhere else angels maybe that would be kind of crazy that would be a very angelsy move they should be in on Jacob de Grom Justin Verlander and Carlos Redone but let's get another hitter and let's give up on Brandon Marsh could be a cheap source of of hits on a team like that guaranteed all of a sudden Aaron Judge's injury issues come back yeah San Diego maybe um San Diego maybe so yeah I don't think Aaron Judge is signing with any of these teams right now except for the Yankees Cleveland's not spending that money White Sox are retooling they're not going to spend that money Minnesota's made some offers to Carlos Correa but I don't think they're really in on Aaron Judge Detroit Detroit no probably not Detroit no can see he's kind of rebuilding Houston got Jose of Bray who I don't think he I don't think Aaron Judge would go to the Astros anyway I don't think the Mariners yeah angels might spend that money Texas seems committed to throwing money around the Rangers do it I don't think that's a fit in Atlanta I mean people have suggested the Mets but if he's going to be in New York I think he's going to stay with the Yankees right Phillies could the Phillies just go nuts and add an Aaron Judge there they're losing Bryce Harper for half the year with Tommy John and I know hitters come back a little bit sooner from that but they're probably they're not going to stick them in the field they're going to stick them at a DH spot for the rest of 2023 as soon as he comes back they could use an outfielder stick Aaron Judge out there can you imagine Miami won't Washington won't Cardinals may probably not Brewers no Cubs no Cincinnati no Pittsburgh no Dodgers unless let's let's see wants to take a two-year 50 million dollar deal or something like that but I don't think he's going to do that yeah Padres could do it giants are definitely in the mix not Arizona not Colorado although can you imagine Aaron Judge spending half a season in Colorado just hitting 500 foot bombs is Philadelphia crazy enough to put in a bit I'll bet they're kicking tires I don't know if they're going to I don't know if they're going to I don't know if they're going to actually match any of the big numbers can you imagine DH that'd be scary so you've got Tray Turner would lead off right kind of don't like how MLB network does that they used to have depth charts where they would put their names on the on a on a baseball diamond they don't do that anymore but yeah can you like Tray Turner would lead off right if like let's stick Aaron Judge in this lineup how stupid would that be I mean is that like Tray Turner JT Real Muto that's like that speed at the top of the lineup there then you put in you know Bryce Harper at DH no maybe you put Tray Turner Tray Turner Tray Turner Bryce Harper Aaron Judge Tray Turner, Kyle Schorber Bryce Harper Aaron Judge JT Real Muto Reese Hoskins right Real Muto moves down right so yeah so Tray Turner Aaron Judge Bryce Harper JT Real Muto, Reese Hoskins Kyle Schorber Alec Baum, Brandon Marsh go down the line that'd be ridiculous yeah I mean I think the White Sox but I feel like the White Sox seem to be signaling that they're that they're kind of going to rebuild you know so they didn't re-sign Jose Abreu I mean I'm hearing about trading Tim Anderson yeah if they move Liam head I still got some young guys on there some decent looking prospects coming up the ranks but I don't know if you're Aaron Judge you're in your prime he's a little on the older side that nine-year deal four of them three of those years are going to be at prime Aaron Judge short of any injuries but I think only half that contract is going to be prime Aaron Judge the last three years might be a little rough but like the first two or three years is where you're getting that prime that prime Aaron Judge where he might go offer another 50 home runs next year so if you have the choice and you know that's the thing about baseball players you'd like with so much arbitration and team control you don't have a choice in where you play what you're until many years later and getting paid what you're worth so I don't blame baseball players for taking the money because it's not like I feel like basketball you can I feel like basketball what's a rookie contract like three years maybe one NFL four plus one and that's not even guaranteed money NBA is at least guaranteed but baseball like you're in the minors for a few seasons you're under arbitration for another three or four seasons you know other contractual there might be six or another six or seven years of your pro ball career minors and pros included there may be like six or seven years where you've been under the same team and just that city doesn't work out for you or if you want to go back home if you want to choose where to play could be interesting alright gang well good baseball talk I hope we're going to wake up to some more hot stove news tomorrow I'm glad these big deals Verlander Trey Turner I'm glad they got done because then I think we're going to see the Correa the Aaron Judge Domino's drop pretty soon start to see some trade start to see a lot of movement you know I think the strike kind of got or the lockout got in the way of these fun transactions last year it's nothing going on in the winter so I think teams are hungrier to make some moves like sooner in the process I think for a long time the winter meetings at least for the last handful of years we missed some because of COVID and the lockout but I feel like the winter meetings you know maybe back in the day I always felt like there was more action there but I think in recent years last five to ten years I just feel like you just haven't seen those big free agent moves where free agents will go to will go to the winter meetings and like you know guys would bring a big binder of all of their stats and stuff like that and they'd parade around and meet with teams and I feel like that doesn't happen as much anymore maybe technology it's easier to kind of talk to people over zoom calls or whatever but I don't know maybe this is a little throwback winter meetings we're starting to see a little more action happen right in the winter meetings I feel like players also remember they again they missed out on on all that winter stuff last year cut the lockout so maybe there's just thinking guys let's just it'll be a lot more fun if you know let's let's get let's I want to know where I'm going to be playing right now in December before Christmas before the holidays let me lock it down so I can make my plans where am I going to live where you know I can spend the holidays hanging out with my family knowing where I'm going to be no one's asked me at every judge isn't being asked every day Christmas time trying to enjoy his Christmas his new years yo judge where you going everywhere he goes Aaron where you going his family cousins uncles aunts you know what's going on what's the deal where you're going to sign with where you're going to go can you imagine it's our holidays already hectic enough you think you want to deal with that no way Aaron judge hopefully he signs this week hopefully hopefully get a lot of signings this week alright boys and girls Steven good to see you man good talking baseball with you Oliver and Steven and everybody thanks for listening if you're just hanging around lurking around appreciate everybody getting into all of the action today I'm Joe I'll see you tomorrow three o'clock Pacific six o'clock Eastern we'll get some more group breaks going we'll have some more fun thanks everybody have a great


Miki, early day today you had a quick draw with Nigel, are you satisfied with the result? Yeah, I mean it was the second black and I lost yesterday. I got a reason of opening but there weren't really any possibilities to play on somehow so then it's probably better to finish the game quickly and save a bit of energy for the last two rounds. Right, absolutely. And now Miki, do you feel that this is a slight problem with just that even maybe if you want to play with black, if white doesn't really do too much there's very little that you can do on your end with the black pieces? Well that wasn't really the case today. Nigel was trying to play but his opening didn't work out as he hoped but yeah it is a general problem. Opening theory has gotten too big and there are too many games where lower rated players are playing for a draw with white I don't think it's a lot of fun for the spectators or the players really but it's not so easy to resolve. Unless you play all games to an end and replay draws I don't think there's an obvious solution to it. Right, well as spectators we obviously love a long fight but tell me one thing now you and Nigel go back a long way, you've played many many games together how is it to play somebody you've had so much history with and played so many times how does that affect you before the round or in your preparation? Yeah we didn't play so many games actually not as many as you would think but I guess we both played so many games in general though that yeah it's just another game really you just see what happens I don't think it makes such a big difference. Right well thank you very much and you wish you all the best for the remaining two games. Okay thank you.


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Today, we're on a mission to separate fact from fiction by debunking five popular video creating myths. Hey, it's Herman here again on Artlist, and I know figuring out video creation can feel like trying to figure out a puzzle with no picture. You've probably heard a ton of advice, and I know it's tough to know what to believe. You may have seen a TikTok claiming that shorter videos are the key to success. Or you heard your Uncle Paul say that creativity is something that you have to be born with. While Uncle Paul is not the boss of you, and today we're going to be breaking down five video creation myths you've probably come across more times than you can count, so that you can create videos that'll make even Uncle Paul proud. Now let's kick off with a burning question in every creative field, can creativity be learned? Now some say creativity is a born talent, while others believe that it's a skill that we can build. But the truth is, it's a little bit of both. Think of creativity like a cake. Your natural talent is the base, and the skills that you gain through practice are the icing and toppings that make it eye-catching and tasty. Now I want cake. So how do you learn creativity? It begins by exploring. Expose yourself to various creative works like movies, music, art, and books to develop your taste and find your style and, you know, uncover what inspires you. For example, I watch anime and sci-fi films, so my visuals are very heavily inspired by them. I also listen to a lot of electronic music, which gives my videos this energetic vibe. Austin Cleon's book, Steel Like an Artist, has great insights on this. He says that nothing is truly original, and creative work builds on what came before. Don't hesitate to steal ideas and get inspired. Just remember to credit your sources and add your own unique spin. Then comes the next step, practice. Just like learning to ride a bike, wait, I didn't learn that one yet. Just like learning to play an instrument, practice is key for growing creativity. The more videos you create, the better you get at figuring out what works and what doesn't. James Cameron didn't just wake up one day with no filmmaking experience and saying, let's make avatar using non-existent tech. My guess is that he honed his skills, practiced, and pushed the boundaries of his creativity. So, is creativity a natural born talent? Sure, to some extent. It means that you have potential, but just raw talent isn't enough. With the right mindset, dedication, and of course a healthy dose of curiosity, anyone can develop their creative muscles. So creativity can definitely be learned. Next up is a myth that I believe for the longest time, and it's that it's too late to start a YouTube channel. With YouTube overflowing with top creators like Casey Neistat, Peter McKinnon, or Sam Kolder, you might be wondering to yourself, why bother stepping onto an already crowded stage? And that's the feeling that I had before I started my own channel a couple years ago. So let's first talk numbers. Last time I checked, there were over 2 billion logged in monthly users on YouTube. Yeah, the billion with a B. With so many people on YouTube, there's bound to be an audience for whatever you're passionate about. Whether it's video creation tips, synchronized swimming, or paper art, there's a niche for everyone.  Yeah, there are loads of channels out there, but that's actually not a bad thing. It means that people are hungry for fresh content and new perspectives. So to stand out from the crowd, focus on your unique strengths and personal experiences. Maybe you're great at simplifying complex ideas, or you have a witty sense of humor that makes even dull topics interesting. For me, I lean on my interest in futuristic elements and use a little bit of VFX to spice up my videos. Now, keep in mind, YouTube success doesn't just happen instantly. It takes time, consistency, and dedication to build an audience. But with all the resources available, there's no better time to start than now. So don't let this myth stop you from sharing your passion with the world. This next myth is also one that I've fallen for and even preached, and it's that shorter videos always perform better. Now, it's no secret that people today have shorter attention span, but that doesn't always mean that shorter videos are always the way to go. When it comes to YouTube, the most important factor isn't the length of your video, it's the value and engagement it offers. If your content is captivating, informative, or entertaining, then viewers are more likely to stick around, whether your videos are two minutes long or 20 minutes long. I jumped onto the bandwagon of talking faster than an auctioneer in my Instagram videos and cutting out breathing space on my YouTube videos. But to my surprise, my longer videos perform better if the content was solid. In fact, a recent trend in the film industry supports this idea. Lengthy movies like The Batman or the latest Avatar movie has been crushing the box office despite being around the three-hour mark. This shows that audiences are willing to invest time in gripping and engaging content like binge-watching an entire series in one sitting. Even the popularity of podcasts is another example of long-form content being very effective. Don't get me wrong, shorter-form videos are also important in growing your social media, but long-form videos will always have its place in entertainment or education. So, what does that mean for your videos? Instead of obsessing over length, focus on creating content that connects with your audience. Ask yourself, what do my viewers want to see? How can I provide value in an engaging way? If you put your energy into that, I guarantee that you'll see results. Our fourth myth is one that... I'm starting to see a pattern here. I just realized that I've been tricked by all these myths before, but it's pretty cool that I've grown as a creator because I can see how wrong they are. So, let's tackle myth number four, sound matters less than visuals. There's been a trend going on of creators focusing on good sound design in recent years, and I'm all for it because you just can't sit through a video with bad audio. Don't believe me? Here's me talking with high-quality audio but terrible picture quality. And here's me with a crisp picture, but audio is so crunchy, it's like listening while chomping on a bag of tortilla chips. Can you imagine handling another minute of that? Studies show that viewers are more likely to tolerate low-quality visuals than poor audio. This means that sound can be even more crucial than pictures when creating engaging videos. But what does that mean for you? Prioritize sound quality in your projects. Invest in solid audio gear like a good mic, headphones, and spend time in the edit ensuring that your audio is clean, well-balanced, and well-synced with your visuals. And let's not forget the power of sound design. Music and sound effects play an essential role in setting the tone, conveying emotion, and keeping your audience engaged. Imagine watching an action movie without any heart-pounding music. It would be like watching you paint dry on a wall. That's why I never compromise on finding my perfect song and sound effects on Artlist. With their massive library of selections, finding high-quality music and sound effects is as easy as finding cat videos on the internet. They also have footage, templates, and plugins, so check them out for all your video editing needs. Make sure to give your audio the attention it deserves and your viewers will thank you for it. Or at least not click away in frustration. Alright, myth number five! The spiciest one! Oh boy! Brace yourself if you are a video editor because our last myth is going to sound like nails on a chalkboard. Myth five is that you can fix it in post. Ugh. Now, you have probably heard this phrase thrown around by overconfident directors. But is it true? Can you really fix everything in post-production? The short answer is no. Sure, post-production is a super powerful process and talented video editors can pull off tricks that would even impress David Blaine.  If your raw footage looks like it was shot during an earthquake or your audio resembles a chainsaw symphony, even the best editor will struggle to polish that rough diamond. That's not to say that post-production can't help enhance your videos. Skilled editors can color correct, adjust audio levels and add VFX and so much more. But these tools should be used to improve upon what's already there and not as a magic wand to fix fundamental issues. Audio is especially difficult to fix in post so check out our blog post for some pro audio tips that you don't want to miss out. Okay, sometimes I'm asked to erase an honest mistake on set like managing a C-stand or a logo lurking in the background. But if you expect me to make an entire busy street disappear, I'm going to be ghosting your message faster than you could say abracadabra. So please, please, please don't encourage fixing it in post like it can be a band-aid for every problem. Focus on capturing everything as close to perfection in camera from the start and let post-production enhance your video. As you continue your video creating journey, don't let these myths hold you back. Embrace your creativity, prioritize quality content and never underestimate the power of good audio. Artlist has a bunch of high quality assets to help you out with that from music and sound effects to footage and templates. So check them out for all your video creating needs. So what's the myth that you used to believe in? Drop a comment down below because we're curious what else needs to be debunked. And if you want to watch more videos like this, then make sure to subscribe to the Artlist channel. And if you're a fan of uncovering the truth, then check out this video where we debunk 10 viral video hacks to see if they actually work in the real world. Otherwise, I'll see you in the next one.