I told me that was insanely offensive. Oh, my God. I'm sure we've got all of our dev stories because, you know, he's got a mouth on him. So. Mm hmm. Well, go on. Well, that was the crazy story. What did he say? Wait, there was a story. I made it. Are you also streaming this? It looks like you are. No, what? What? I'm in such a premiering something. They're trying to compete with this stream. Oh, they're competing. Wait, there's a lot of Steelers. I'm not even that was not me. OK. Mm hmm. It was me. It was all me. I know it was me, Barry. Adam under the bus. Like, yeah, my employee.  It was our editor. All right, yo. Fuck, yo. Yeah, go. So hit the word, hit the button. Let's talk about. Well, how do you describe this? We should jump right into it. Well, oh, are you talking to someone else? Or should I get going on the venals? Venals. No, you do you. OK, you read the room and follow the, you know, trail to happiness. Here I go, doing me. All right, everybody, all right. As you've heard on real BBC slash other places, I've been awkwardly trying to explain when things will happen because we've had delays all over the place. It's been a nightmare. But I can tell you that without a doubt, the well, I guess first and foremost, the information, I feel like the thing they're going to be wanting to know the most is the video, the quantum video is indeed coming out sad. Guaranteed now, there's literally nothing I could imagine that would stop it that is within reason, you know. So there's a couple of things that could stop it like Voldemort, but I don't know if he's is he real? Which one's real of all the. I think he died. Right? Yeah, so we should be good on that. I think he died, but he has no nose.  It does smell. Nothing.  That's true. Well, really. So there's that. And if that's happening, then, yes, you guys have figured it out. That means that we managed to get the thing we were talking about to happen. I'm going to do it in a cool way. Look, I'll spook him out with this first. You got it. You guys have got to boot the stream again. It's like, what's this? What's happening here? Look at that. OK. Oh, my God. Look at this image. Look at this possibly be says coming soon. Oh, my goodness. What is it? Oh, my gosh. Look at that. Oh, my God. Thank you. It changed. It's a different one. Who's this? Squirtle. That's probably. Yeah. Oh, wow. Look at that, boy. Oh, my God. There's another one. Oh, my goodness. Terrifying. Wow. What's happening? Who knows? I'm sure this is for this time. My God. Oh, wow. Oh, look at this one. It's spinning. I don't have a spinning one for all of us. How intense? What could this be? It's the thing. Oh, it's spinning. It's spinning at the at the Red Dead Redemption remake frame. Right. Yeah. Full FPS. This is the launch of the EFAP final figures. It's finally here. The day has arrived. Oh, good. Look at that. Hold on. Hold on. When you said vinyl before this, I thought you meant like actual records. Why? All of you old people. Why? How many hours do you think you can put on a vinyl record? It's like you're just like going to release vinyls of your old episodes. We can even put one on. People who want to see an eighth. People who want to see an eighth of an EFAP, they can buy an entire record for it. Yeah. I can't tell if Dev stole my joke I said before the stream. He did steal it. It's his now. Or did he actually believe that? No one will believe it. No, I actually believe that wasn't a joke.  OK. Like you. So I thought you were actually going down this or I was like, OK. All right. No, vinyl figures. All right, cool. That's what they are. I'm looking at them. They swell. I think they swell. Look at them. Pretty sweet. Everyone's holding. I got my precious, precious film reel piece because I'm looking right into the scene. Rags has got his poppy corn because he's watching a movie. I love popcorn. Popcorn is an apex snack.  My signature green goo. What is that goo, by the way? Well, it's. Hey, look, you can get green with a little vinyl figure. Yeah, you can finally see what's going on here. I mean, you could with the plushies. Open it up. With the vinyl. Now you got a vinyl one. Yeah. I have a fringy plushie looking right at me while I'm sitting here for my shelf judging me. Yeah, I've got you. Off to the right there. Worshipping the marker. Look, they come with wonderful packaging, too. Look at this image here. Oh, my God. Look at the rags one. Here it is. Oh, wow. Look at that. It's all nice and look lovely looking. Look at them in there. It's sleek. He's just waiting. He's just waiting. I'm ready to be collected and stacked with others. Look at that fringing one. Wow. Can I mint them and sell them for five million euros? Yes, they come with mint. Oh, wow. Look. They don't come with mint. Oh, look at that. They stamped as well to be one of three of the EFAP collection. That's what they own them all. You become a true fapper. Which isn't that what we all want, ultimately? I think so. I'd say so. I think these are gorgeous and beautiful, and I reckon you guys should check them out. However, of course, if you aren't interested, like, briefly, that might work against your favor, as these are hyper-exclusive. They run away from the whole world once they're gone. I doubt they're going to be coming back. It's not quite like the plushies where you'll probably get different ones as time goes on, as we design different ones. There's not a huge expectation that the Vinyls will have a second run. So these, like I said, are hyper-exclusive, OK? Yes. If you don't get these, you will be out of luck. You'll never have anything like them. I've already picked mine. The campaign is available for 28 days. That is true. I can't even count that far. No, it begins. And it's OK. I can count for you, Mel. Oh, yeah. I'm not sure what to do with that. Look at that. On the website, they spin. Whoa. They get a nice 360-degree look at them. Yeah. Don't spin too fast, or they're going to puke. They can handle it. OK. Long creatures are more than capable. Yeah, we're quite happy with how these turned out. They gorgeous. Honestly, they are super impressive. These look great. Yeah, I think they look great. They're real neat. We'll obviously let you guys know as time goes on what's going on with them, what's happening with them. If you buy them together, you get yourself a little discount. 15%. It's true. I mean, that's, hey, that's a decent amount. And 10% plus 5%. Yeah. Links in the description. Go check these boys out. Though we shall be moving right along because we've got quite a set of things to check out today. We've dragged. What about links? YouTube broke all the, basically all the links again that are YouTube links. Do any of them work? The final ones work at least? Yeah, those one work. Just all the ones that have, like, Fringies is fine. But the other, Rags is works, even though it has the numbers now. All the ones that have, like, an ad before them change them back to... Have three times. No, that's great. Great feature, YouTube. I'm glad you put that in. I was about to say faster at fixing them, but it's like, no, this might not even fix them, so I shouldn't speak so soon. We'll try this. Probably, yeah, it didn't work. Cool. Thanks, YouTube. Very cool. Why though? Like, why do they have a system that they want you to use and doesn't work? That feels... I don't know. Wrong. I think it's just like... I'm pretty sure... YouTube slash ad rags, that you just pop up, just have it, like, just do it, just do it. Yeah, it's really weird because if you click on it and then move along, it breaks, but if you put it all in and then just do double space and go to the next line, it works.   I think what happens is the ad plus username is already a link in itself, so if you put the link after the link, it breaks. That would be my IT idea.  I agree. They have Google money. They should be able to do this. Is that fixed now? A thing's better. A thing's not cringe. I'll check for you. I mean, I can't say that, but that looks good. Don't eat the vinyl. I don't know why I would need to say that, but please don't. It's all working and working mutually. It's all good. Wonder fuel. Did your manufacturer ask you to say that? Like, listen, you have to say this when you do this. It's part of the contract. We are asking them. Do not eat the vinyls. It's not real popcorn. Do not do it, please. What? I ate the plushy one. You can eat the plushy, I guess. What's the popcorn? Oh, no, Rex plushy one had a beer. No, I lied. Do not put them into a jar. Do not. You're too late. You'd have to get a big jar. Also, wait, you guys had plushies at one point, eh? I think I made a soup plush. They had two already. I still have them. I missed that. I got the Adam and Sitch plushies, but I missed the run of your guys. Sorry. I missed both of your runs. I know who Dev really likes. I guess we do. You should have saved that for the end of the stream. See, I'm a real friend. I have both of them. I also have all of both of them. Did I ever tell you guys that someone when I posted a picture that I got those all, someone tweeted at me, it's like, oh, that's what parasocial relationship looks like. I was like, yep. People I hang out with. You and I watched like a whole TV show with the same sofa. We're like parasocial, baby. Cringe metal cringe. All right. So yes, we're very happy with those. Check them out while you can. They look great description. You got them all together. You got a discount. It is swell. I think it's swell. The more I look at them, the more of that. I'm like, wow, these look really good. They look really cool. Look. Oh, we can have them on my desk. I just bought some. We tricked him. Oh, no. With our socialness. We parasocialized you. Okay. Here's your watch together letting everyone jump in. Because we're going to need a little bit of context for this. This is this. Right. This is the sequel to. The sequel to a sequel really. This is the first time I'm on these react. I just realized. The react saga. Oh, no. Well, you didn't make it to any of the trilogy. No, I didn't. I ranted on it on my streams. Because I watched the e-fabs on that. Do you need a GLDR? What's going on? I know what's up. I missed all of them somehow. This is definitely a previously on. Because it all. I think we did Hassan. Then we did our relevant Dems and Hassan. No, no. Yes. Then we did, of course, the newer stuff, which is two debates that happened. And then covering sort of XQC in a general sense with his lads.  That was a huge event on the internet. Everyone went nuts. It was crazy. Quite the meaning of the mind. It was fireworks. Nice one.  You know, we're going to find out today. But before we do that, I've managed to intertwine some clips. Classic. React art. Crimbo. Maybe one or two surprises. We've got plenty of fun to watch. Get ready for some EFAP exception here.  Is everyone ready to start? These clips are from the past. Let's get it. I'm excited. Be still, my heart. The title of this video. They're about to get the context for that. Don't you worry. YouTube content is there. Hang on. I should have had some nothing before this. It wouldn't go back. Your YouTube content is there when I ain't got nothing else left to talk about. Let's be straight. The classic. A classic line. Not the most classic line from this art. A classic line. It was our first understanding. They blatantly steal. It's something you should come to understand straight away. It's a streamer culture. I don't want to say streamer culture. Is that guy still around? Is he still doing things? Not relevant.   I got literally an ad for you guys. The vinyl figure in the watch together. Oh wow. Whoa. It's a sign. Everyone buy them. That's funny. Okay. What does take pride in your work mean? I don't know. There it is. The classic. There it is. That's one of those lines I think about randomly. Just things like... It just comes back into your mind. Wow. Somebody said that. I don't know what that means.  What kind of person and what life have you lived to not understand what taking pride in your own effort is? She doesn't understand it. She shouldn't let people know she doesn't understand. It's a lot happening at once.  Nobody even cares when you're generous. So why should I bother? You know what I mean? Why should I be generous? Why should I be generous if I can't brag about it online? Why be generous if I don't get anything out of it? Why should I help my dad out? Why should I help my dad with fuel or something? Nobody cares. I often have to help my dad out with fuel. He often has fuel problems. No fuel problems. He calls me on the phone and says rags because that's my name and I say, what is it? He says, I need fuel. I need fuel. I was like, oh no, dad's having fuel problems again. I feel like this is a lot more philosophical than you guys give her credit. She's asking why be good when you don't receive anything in exchange? It is a question that you can ask. You can do that if you want. Are you good for goodness' sake? She never heard the Santa song? I think she's going to go down in history as one of the great, I think, offers another avenue. Be selfish.  That's true. Exactly. I'm going to be good for presents. You're going to stop defending it. You're going to do it. No, dad's going to defend the horrible idea. Just before you start with your explanation, you do agree that Santa Claus is real, right? Well, hold on. Yes, Rags. I'll talk to your mom about later. I almost banned him. Talk to my mom about Santa? Wow. Okay, so listen. There's two ways that she's wrong. Obviously, right? At least. There's two big ways I can think of. On the one hand, it's like, well, obviously, when she says, why should I be good when I get anything out of it? That seems kind of selfish. But also, if you do good things to good people, they do generally reward you for it.  If you're surrounding yourself with bad people. Because if I help one of you guys, I don't expect you to help me out in the future. But you probably would anyway, you know what I mean? We would. You're saying she doesn't even try to wrap this in your video. You talk about virtue ethics and how you have to know it to see it and its effects are very... It's probably because she's living in LA and she's living in that streamer bubble, where everyone's just super backstabby. It's transactional. It's very clout-brained, isn't it? Well, why would I be generous? Is there clout involved? Can I trade generosity for clout? People in that culture do they all get switch blades for Christmas? That's just what everyone gets. Nice and ready to go. From Santa, who totally exists. Yes. Why do you say it like that? You said it weird, but yeah. Because of your sentences, it confuses me. Oh, strange. Wait a minute. Do you devastate people? Is that what you do? Do I devastate people? Santa the destroyer. How come Santa's never given me a gift if he really exists, okay?  I don't want to be the one to tell him. Did anyone else? I think he might be on the naughty list. You might be on the naughty list. Santa's just an anti-Semite, honestly. Oh, no. You're definitely not getting anything. Oh, Saint Nick. Why did you... Give me a hint on the naughty list. You called me an anti-Semite. He just said it first. He won't even get... He's like, why did you do that? Why did you say that? Did you feel like a big boy when you said that? Oh, yeah. Is that the way he's calling me? We cut out all the ho-ho-hos, but... That feels like a really good skin because you just be like, how did you get in, Santa? And he just interrupts you like, I don't think you should say mean things. I want him standing, like, off in the corner, concealed in shadow. Yeah. Who are you and how did you get in? I'm Santa Claus. And I'm Santa Claus. I never left, boy. Okay. Dude, what am I supposed to do? Die? Like, I don't understand. They're all classic. Beauty. I have to stream your video or I'll die. It's my f- It's my f-fucking favorite. Oh, I haven't heard it from its mouth in a while. That was fantastic. Can we listen to that again? We can. I don't mind it forever. Nobody even cares when you're generous. So, like, why should I bother? Who are you and how did you get in? I don't understand. He doesn't understand. It's true. When he says he doesn't understand, I believe him. He's since moved on, because he's, I think he has a maid to cook the nuggies now. I thought that was his mom. Basically, sometimes the mom wouldn't be in to cook the nuggies, so he needed to solve the problem.  Oh, man. That reminds me, do you guys see that one clip in the mainstream where his maid shows up to clean his room? Let's not talk about it yet. Let's not talk about it. Oh, I'm so sorry. The need to humiliate people, sometimes you need to make an example out of them. Oh. Sound. Now, for anybody who's relatively new to EFAP, go watch those older episodes about Assad, after this one. They're gold.  That was a fun one. Those are old characters. We got a new one today. What about the Pyramids? The Pyramids? Pyramids? The Pyramids, man. What is wrong with this guy? Why are you making fun of me like that? He doesn't actually say that. Yeah, man. The f**king cones, yo, the f**king... The cones.  I don't know what the Pyramids are. Now, you might think that the Pyramids are shaped like pyramids, but you're actually wrong. They're cones. You know what's funny? I said Pyramids back in the day, but it's my second language. It's his second language, too, you racist. Yeah, that's right. Wait, what? He's from Canada or something. Yeah, come back. French Canadian. To be fair, we make fun of Mel whenever he does that, so... That's true. I'll say something fun of her. Hello. There he goes. That's our metalhead. Dale got it. So, regarding... You're being French Canadian, right?  It's not his first language.   I think anyone who says, hey, he's just French Canadian is coping pretty hard. It's obviously more than that. It's more than that. Jam a man of fortune, and Jay must seek my fortune. Henry Avery's 1994. Did you say 1924? Oh, my God. Is he dyslexic or something? As much as it's the funniest thing ever, the jam one you could vaguely understand, you could be like, okay. Yeah, as a joke, you'd be like, oh, that kind of looks like jam, and it's a fun meme. This is the opening of Uncharted 4. Why would it be about jam? Jam a man of fortune, and Jay must seek my fortune. Yeah, like, what was it? 1994. He added an answer to Avery, and he changed the six to a nine to jam. It's rather wonderful, honestly.  The cones in the sand. Sounds like a Thomas Dolby album. Jam a man of fortune, and Jay must seek my fortune. We actually did say Jay. Henry Avery's 1994. 1994. It's just all wrong. It's great. I was gonna say, I prefer people do this than read it. Jam a man of fortune. This is one of the funniest things I've seen. That's pretty funny, yeah. This is his best content right here. Yeah, finally. Even original, crazy. Well, I'm gonna answer this, I have a coke bottle.  I bring it back up, right? And when I touch it, I don't get wet at all. My hands are fine, right?    Wait, you mean condensation? It's dripping.  What is that? I refuse to believe this isn't real. He's talking about something very annoying, which is that drinks just form water from nowhere, and it's annoying.  I don't know what he's talking about. They don't know, XQC wouldn't say it that eloquently, but yeah. Let's see how he explains this issue that no one else has noticed yet. Why? Condensation. What about it?  No!  Condensation. At least he's looking it up, I appreciate that. Condensation. Water collects as droplets on a cold surface when human hair is in contact with. So you make water. The fuck? There's no water, and then there's water. It just creates itself. I presume that he is also unfamiliar with water vapor. I just like... Do you know that ice is water? The infinite water machine. Does it not come across as having some problems? Explaining like a game mechanic to you, and you find it unfair.  There's no water, and then there's water.  God needs to patch the game of the universe.  You look at XQC, and the gears are turning in his head, and he's like, I could solve the world's issues. He goes to Africa. He's like, how can I monetize this? Condensation. He just puts it out there, and he opens it. There you go. Water out of nothing. I'm going to save the world. We're going to make water out of nothing, guys. I'll save you all. When you pick up something, and then you not hold it anymore, it falls down. Have you ever noticed that? That's annoying. That's density. I haven't got authority from many flat earthers. That's the demon called density. He's invisible, and he drags everything down to the floor. Yeah. Condensation is the guy who walks around invisible and throws bottles. He spits on things. You guys are literally going to believe a phenomenon that's actually a pond. He was like, licking the balls. I'm going to put it on. Can you condensation? This reminds me of something now. Believe it or not, there was actually a guy who had that complaint about gravity. He spent like two or three years on the International Space Station. The way he kind of organized his area is he just put things in the air and they stayed there because he's low gravity. Right? My toothbrush goes right here, just in the middle of the air. He had his area meticulously laid out of all this stuff just floating. When he came back down, he kept doing it just out of habit. He was breaking stuff. He grabs his shirt. I'm going to put it over here. He just drops it. That's pretty funny. Really funny. What space does to a motherfucker? Yeah. Now, we continue. The context is this is just your run-of-the-mill XQC stream and he's got someone in the background and Maid doing some stuff and he starts typing. Normally, I'm not like embarrassed chat so I'm more social and chill.  How much trash? How much trash do you generate? You're just one guy. Did you draw my ground? I might have had right next to me so that doesn't happen. That's a crazy invention you can buy. I might have had trouble buying it but when I saw the pictures of Asmongold's room, I was like, oh. This is apparently not too far from normal for a lot of streamers. They will order food and drink and then they will finish it and then it will be tossed in the room in there that they are in. I don't know how this develops because I'm sure all of you are thinking but why would you want to do that?  I understand like leaving it there during the stream but then when you're done, get up and you put it in a garbage can. As you can see, they've gathered any large bags to collect his waste and well, he's feeling embarrassed about it.  Allegedly.  Secondly, let's say you're very busy because you have a very successful business which to be very, he does. You can't climb up after yourself, you hire a maid. The maids don't come during the stream. No, saying that you have a big business implies that you produce things and maybe there's like byproducts of the manufacturing process. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Why do you do that? Why? He's manufacturing content and he's producing trash both on-screen and off-screen. Got it. I've heard from a lot of streamers that this is just kind of normal and Destiny has talked about though his house is not that dirty but like Aswin Gold as you see. A lot of these streamers they're ordering food constantly they're ordering from Amazon constantly the boxes just pile up in the corner until it takes over their house and they all have to go through regular and to be fair I've definitely had times when I've been working like a 16 hour day and I've left something out for the next day it's like, I should have thought about it. I knew you would do that. I knew you'd describe something normal and try and squeeze it into this. You know how sometimes you don't throw everything away immediately he's like, yes, that's normal, that's fine. I'm going to give you I'm going to give you Dev's Law Dev's Law of Human Behavior Every abnormal behavior is actually just an extension of normal behavior just taken to the extreme. Well obviously that's true. Yeah, so like streamers are just doing what normal people do just a lot more of it so it's not normal then a lot of it in the most you see abnormal behavior it's just normal behavior but ab Well like hoarding is like hoarding is like we all get objects we buy things but hoarders just buy a lot of things and get a lot of things and just stack it up in the rooms until they die and suffocate or whatever happens to them or murder someone yeah murder someone that's just like an abnormal version of not liking them okay so it's basically the same thing you have to understand it's normal for us to eat stuff just for him he eats a lot and doesn't put things away yeah or he just eats too much like this woman in the video that he's looking at here with the massive gunt the uh since I am only obese that's how it is nice furtive gunt I named him a black woman she's pregnant she's not pregnant I hope she's pregnant I'm not trying to excuse this behavior I'm just saying that like if you put yourself in their shoes it becomes a bit more understandable how they can get themselves into the position we don't like your good faithness here okay this is bad faith there's no way I'm gonna have to crash around me and then have someone come and pick it up after me fuck that well I was about to say that's understanding the situation that's not the reason this clip was shown like all over the internet given minorities jobs and stuff is kind of you should just do that yourself well what do they think you know cause they can read it's bags and bags there's two people they've been cleaning for years I don't even know what to say look she's looking she's looking at it oh no just cause you're living in Las Vegas and she's brown doesn't mean that you can't fucking read English well I mean it's like right around here it's a toss up for some reason you believe she's just not gonna look and not gonna read and then she does both of those things and you're like Jesus fucking Christ maybe he thinks that he's the only person who could see this on the screen wow the best part to me a lot of people didn't share this part of the video this is his reaction after this drop the knife now drop it body cam video shows the suspect barely moving oh my god shame I do find that whole encounter strange why can't he talk to them I don't know yeah why don't you say hi why don't you say thank you can you not do this right now by the way I'm super rich I'm gonna give you a bonus today because I'm so fucking filthy we can just move past that I don't know why the whole exchange played out that way oh yeah he was cripplingly shamed because of the insane amount of trash like he couldn't speak to them okay yeah but I mean you should probably get over that quickly because that has to be dealt with it's just like well that's what it is hi how you doing you know things are good right either you learn how to take care of yourself body cam video shows you don't have time just be comfortable with paying them to do it because that's their job right they're professionals you're a professional like do the work you know also just obviously the PSA we need to let everyone in chat know if they didn't already but when you bring stuff to your room to eat or drink when you leave that same room you can take it with you and put it in bins or repair it to go out with the trash as they say you know these are all options you still have I have been right next to me it's crazy it works so well you can just put stuff in there and when it's full you can grab the bag and put it somewhere else preferably outside in the big bin everyone in chat is question marking me they don't know what I'm talking about what has happened the west has fallen this guy didn't know what condensation was you're expecting him to understand that he can like pick up trash and take it to different rooms at least he knew what the cones in the sand were he might he might not know about condensation but he knows a lot about what's the similar word con what's the word I'm thinking condescension people were saying condescension yes condescension wow like conservation he's conserving his trash no nice say that word condensation is what's up my mind condescension your mind is condensation so the word condensation is like a magnet a gravity magnet it's like a black hole and it's sucking every similar sounding word into itself so when I'm thinking about condescension condescension I think condescension what about concentration is that falling into concentration concentration is good it might just be it might just be conflagration those are fine it's condescension because it's so close to condescension condescension condescension see it's like a magnet it's sucking away my ability to say that word it's like the hologram and halo so this is his intentions with the h3 debate what's his goal are you trying to have a good conversation or are you trying to get a big on on him big on why would you say this why would you admit this he's gonna get a big on why would you admit beforehand that you're not coming into this in good faith I don't that's his appeal because he's dumb his appeal to his audience he's just gonna be a big asshole I guess don't worry guys I'll be a jerk if you're trying to win people over which presumably he would want to do this makes it a lot harder when you admit from the get go that you're not that interested in having a real conversation it would also be worthwhile to know as much as that appeals to his audience they would have been appealed anyway he doesn't need to say it but now he's knocked off all of h3's audience who they're interested in yeah that's true but you know it doesn't matter right it's still gonna be on the substance don't make me feel like because I think here's what I think I think people get jaded from a lot of things and it's okay it's just human nature right and I think his lawsuit jaded them about a lot of things I think all the people who are listening to this as a vaude on times 2 just went what what was it you'd not be able to watch this on times 2 I'm sorry you're gonna have to 1x your way through this one baby react content I think it's malding he's looking to really get a win it's an emotional win not a rational one I'm sure it's malding when something bad happens to you I'm sure there's some like Aristotle quote or Marcus Aurelius quote about malding he said malding is human nature it's a malded human nature it's a malded human nature it's a malded or not a malded that's the question I have a big problem I have a big problem please point like just out of curiosity I've heard only a bit of this but I don't know the full story what is the Ethan lawsuit he's referring to someone in chat said what must imagine Sisyphus malding I'm pregnant I'm pregnant oh my god that's so good now just imagining Sisyphus pushing a ball up the hill his stuff all hair is falling off of his head in real life sorry what was the question my head has become the boulder I have become the boulder was that that one woe jack of like he's just pushing his own head up the hill would it be boulder of worlds I guess boulder of worlds this could be so many memes making an illogical argument about malding is a fallacy I don't know if people will though that's right so the Ethan lawsuit what was the story there I don't know the full details on it I just know that I think he didn't piss someone off with coverage and they went after him in the nature of they used to try and get him and he fall back some guy made like a weird what was it called the thing where people like run up and down sidewalks oh parkour yeah some guy made a parkour video and at the end of it he's like it's like him racing a woman and at the end of it he's like hey baby can I get ya a number and anyway Ethan made a video making fun of it and he used a bunch of clips of it to make fun of it in his video saying it was illegal for him to use the clips in the video oh well that's not true yeah well that's I think Ethan used about 60% of the clips of the guys original work and Ethan eventually won the lawsuit but I think it took like a year or longer to go through and it cost him a crap ton of money and he had to raise a bunch of money because obviously this was before Ethan was rich so well good for him though actually taking it to court and getting something well I think the guys sued him I don't think he should be nonetheless like actually taking a fair use claim to court and fighting it and winning is a victory even though I don't like true that's a good point that is a victory he can do good things he can he can be of some use I will say after this the debate and some of the other stuff Ethan Stock has gone up lately it has gone up yeah it has gone up it only took an XQC and a Hassan I'm only here for a big own that's it oh you're right yeah it took the combined powers of XQC and Hassan to raise the stocks of Ethan it's all it took to bring back a glimmer of old Ethan I will say all our powers unite create this truly is the part two by the way because like in the previous half of this so to speak this story we did cover the what Ethan said to Hassan and it was incredibly satisfying to watch because Hassan couldn't run away he actually had to just admit that he was wrong and that there were better things to do it was neat it proved that all of his things are arguments are done out of like not malice but you know like they're not coming from the right place and they don't make sense and I can go on that with that you know okay what's the better way like yeah man sure say first off like I was saying thank you for um doing this I think it's important conversation to have and I think you're the right person to talk to about it simply because I feel and I think you would agree with this premise that you are you push the the fair use value or apparently you don't even care about fair use at all I don't want to put words on your mouth so you can correct me where I'm wrong but you seem to not so as we go through this I want to talk about his strategy Ethan's because I don't know how many people here anyone here has seen this in full already I was not able to make it through the full thing I've seen some of it so I've seen all of it and I have a distinct impression as to what Ethan's plan was and how one was executing it obviously I've seen it because I had to edit this whole piece of shit put a bunch of clips in here for the fun of everything it'll be worth it I swear but as you see as you guys know has come in here he's got some screenshots he's got the stats on his side and he's going to get a big own that's his intentions Ethan's maybe we'll talk about them as they develop but so far even just from that intro he sounds pretty normal right it's just like he's even said you're a good person to talk to about this and you don't believe in transforming shit or fair use right like that's not even your worry which in terms of strategy he's probably going to want to not the best chance I think XCC had was to try and focus on how nobody's truly transforming really ultimately all of us could go down in a court of law for not transforming enough in a lot of the things that we do because it's easier to win on the law of that than it is on the morality of it because the morality is obviously going to be really really difficult for everyone to draw a line or you'd be wrong you not know this what you guys do I think is far more legally protected in your conversation with him he said he didn't give a shit about the legality and people would just argue about the morality which I think was crazy but I think you'd have a stronger case to argue that because then you're kind of like personal opinion if you go by a lot of how the rules work EFAP covers basically 100% of the content every time which is something that can get you in a lot of hot water when it comes to trying to reach fair use because you there's a lot of arguments that can be made that we completely replace the course we would argue in the spirit that we've created something new that belongs to us now and they'd be like yeah but this is the thing I didn't say that we would definitively lose or anything but we'd be in some gray areas it would be difficult it would be it would go on for years more than likely and they appeal to that to try and say we're all the same everyone would end up in that situation so there you go whatever it's fine we can all transform at any length or ability that we have a preference for when of course I know you're trying to spend gold out of like dog shit here because you don't agree with that of course not but it's this is the thing I even when I was talking to XTC I was like this is probably the strategy you'd have to run along with like focusing on how you really do care about the creators and that you want to compensate them where and if necessary you're asking me to listen to you no no not at all and not to mention we're about to find out why that is almost irrelevant anyway but hey well I'm all probably before because I have so many thoughts to share if if he like when your guys had that conversation I think if he went into this and just said you know I like he laid out his moral stance where he thinks everyone should be able to use everything essentially which is stupid but then followed up with saying I'm totally willing to like pay people or share profits or all that stuff you kind of like well I disagree with him but you know he's not selfish right he's willing to share the money yeah that's I think that would have been his best approach to the conversation if he had hardcore focused on how he's very invested in making people whole so to speak Ethan would have trouble going after him I care about it or at least you push it as far as it can go so you seem like the right person to talk about it with okay so I think there's three points to that I don't want to get too debated yet I like him just now it's oddly he's placed it in front of his closet um I guess he doesn't want to go to the closet do you think he maybe opened the closet to see if he could get the giraffe in and then gave up oh yeah I couldn't tell that it was clearly just way too big he's like I'm not sure he might be able to fit I see he's got a piranha plan as well over there at first I thought that was the door into his room and he put it there to prevent the maids from coming in I think I value a good life product right? one I think I'm the right guy because I do a lot of it I do good reacts bad reacts but I do a high density of reacts I do a lot of it but on top of that against popular relief I guess these days I asked for permission a lot and I try to make an ecosystem where things are good and not conflictual that's the main point so being generous I think his open gambit is I do it all and my primary goal is to make sure everything is chill and has permission which is okay does the start it's a decent start but we'll see how it goes also I just thought it says a little rabbit bouncing around yeah there's the bunny fair that's all good I want to make one I want to make one thing clear I sure do love grass top is that I want to focus on he's totally looking a guide right now and he's got this set out because it's been seen before another podcast he writes all this shit out which is good by the way notes and sources and he knows what to bring out because that was almost essentially like intro statements say whatever you want now I'm going to focus on what I want to focus on I'm not even sure that he necessarily heard anything XUC just said the youtube uploads because the twitch streaming itself I feel like is too much of a grey zone and there's industry standard so I think that Ethan would condemn the twitch streaming aspect of it ultimately too but I think he thinks it's too difficult because there's a couple more aspects involved that make it a little harder to attack mainly to do with the markets crossing over people argue that they're different markets therefore it's okay which is funny when I think I think you can easily make a lot of the same arguments you would make for the youtube reuploads as you would for the stream if anything that might be more of the focus considering the XQC himself has stated that the majority of his income comes from a stream not his youtube reuploads because at the end of the day whatever it is that you end up reuploading is the content that existed on the stream so if it was principally wrong on the stream like in terms of not being sufficiently transformative you figure that that would you know well I think that we would just say stealing is stealing that's it full stop can you as a youtube creator go to twitch and file like a thing for a stream how does it even work if you're not like a big company there's like a DMCA form you can fill out I don't think twitch is competent enough to actually do anything with it to be honest so yeah I think Ethan's just trying to a difficult battle to fight because of all of the meta arguments that people make about how the streaming ecosystem works and sort of this weird divide between it being on stream versus being on youtube so I'm guessing he is discarding that completely because he doesn't want to deal with it he doesn't need it well it's also just the nature of streaming if you were to just turn on a protected video right now and just let it play with nothing else your stream would be disabled by youtube in a couple of minutes it would just be down because it automatically attacks that twitch doesn't have that you have to manually file with twitch does twitch have no content recognition system at all they do but it's not it's for music and it's not like always running all the time on every single stream not like youtube so like you have to file and then you have to hope someone sees it and then hope that they do what you want them to do but then again if like let's say that you're a youtuber and next you see his reaction to your hour long video you can file it but there's no way there's going to be an action before his reaction is done you know all you can do then is just try to somehow get revenue out of him it's not going to in the middle of the stream the way that you can do that on youtube yeah and I think the wards on twitch are not monetized like youtube videos are if I remember correctly I think they're just there for you to watch if you want to I don't think you have like a like a thing with ads or something I could be wrong I just don't know I just don't know so I've said a few times over the course of my eFabs that like I used to know somebody who used to work at twitch and he left around like 2015 or something wards used to be monetized you can have like banner ads appear in the vod at regular intervals but it broke at some point and no one fixed it and it's just broke what it broke like something went wrong with the code it was kind of bug or something and then the banner ads stopped appearing and that there just hasn't been they just haven't fixed it so there's no monetization that's money they leave on the table like twitch themselves why wouldn't they fix that that seems like such a worthwhile thing to fix twitch is like full of retards right now is there any actual coding or any innovation in like eight years buys and slander or something so yeah the only thing about this strategy from Ethan that I would consider a huge benefit to actually see if he notices it but I don't think he does is that if Ethan's willing to ignore twitch vods and twitch streaming that means that there's aspects of that that should be able to fold over to youtube that you can use in your own defense you can use that as a wrench later on if you're in trouble you can be like how come you're okay with twitch vods then when he brings up problems and then he'd be like oh shit you know it would make him stumble debate style sort of tactics because if it was me I wouldn't let twitch vods and streaming go I'd be like nope that's bad too I would be less I would be more hesitant to call what happens on twitch a violation of any kind so I just want to focus on what you upload to your youtube channel is that okay um okay so that's gonna be a yes and a no because I truly believe that twitch as a is it somewhat of a competitor on vods if twitch didn't have vods then that'd be wrong that'd be right but twitch has vods and all the vods stay up and when people react they leave the vods up and it's probably the same thing isn't this fascinating he's basically saying like you'd be wrong not to take issue with it because twitch vods can compete with youtube videos yeah yeah I had to kind of think about that for a second and be like wait the way that he's describing vods because I'm not really sure about the whole twitch thing but the way that he's describing vods they just seem like youtube videos like if any Ethan should just be like okay yeah right yeah like explain to me why this helps you I just opened that door for you to go from just close to it so okay I guess we're talking about this now yeah I guess being able to watch yes so regarding twitch vods right you have twitch vods which are basically just like youtube streams the same thing you just watch the stream for a while twitch experimented with having like vod they call them vod uploads it's just videos you're just uploading videos right but you could edit a video and upload it to twitch and have it play like a youtube video and they were experimenting with that I don't know if it went away but basically they didn't want twitch to be to actually be a youtube competitor in video playback so if you uploaded a video it had to be manually approved by someone at twitch and almost no one's videos got approved like that must be in yeah I mean they have to be manually approved how many people are working with twitch must do that I don't know if that's still going but I think because of the manual approval the feature was so unpopular I can't imagine it's going to be insane I don't know how to imagine if you needed to manually approve any video that goes up on youtube how many people you'd have to hire oh my god are we talking like thousands and thousands of people right like this is almost impossible watch every video actually yeah if you have to watch it before approving it I think that's just impossible surely because there's too many videos that are too long isn't that like like 500 million hours or something of youtube content that gets uploaded like per day more than people who upload like first second third fourth draft like they keep uploading and they keep approving I've seen this already but okay I have to watch it again because I don't know it's just just in case these people stuck in a dungeon just watching youtube videos all day every day yeah you just tell them yeah this is a six hour review of um I don't know Avengers Infinity War I snuck one N word in there so good luck um they finally find it and they're like yes now I can decline the video yeah supposedly there's 720,000 hours of video uploaded every day to youtube 720,000 hours jeez that's uh I would twitch with youtube like what was the thought process that everybody I'm not sure because uh I would have thought they would have wanted to set up as soon as possible the ability to upload videos just because you have videos saved if there are videos from the people who are streaming and you're known for those streamers it's encouraging those streamers to stay on twitch and to continue to use twitch for another purpose so I think it's because twitch's game plan is to monopolize streaming and not care so much about video on demand and now their objective is to survive but why I mean what happened was is that youtube came along with streaming but youtube streaming is fundamentally different from twitch like it feels different right but kick kick feels like twitch in its prime you go over to kick the way that everything's laid out and the emotes and the culture of the site it feels like twitch when twitch was good so I think kick is going to be what basically does twitch in oh you think because I have no idea at this point in terms of rumble kick and what's the what's the other one another one right? I like Odyssey's doing something, BitShoot's doing something they're all this is preferable that there's a bunch of them I hope that they all stay alive long enough to make competition happen because man because yeah it didn't critical leave twitch recently and people like oh is this truly the sign of the end for twitch now the big good lads are all leaving yeah did you? did you really? apparently he's streaming on youtube now instead oh okay I know uh yeah kick signed a bunch of people to take them away from twitch I do hope kick ends up working out because it's actually a pretty fun site to be on they're not just banning people for making the most mild of edgy jokes you can actually have fun on the site so okay oh people are saying he didn't he didn't leave but he's ended his exclusivity so now he streams on I guess both oh okay interesting we're listening to music on stuff that remains in the VOD okay that's true but just for the sake of this conversation I just want to focus on because like from a legal perspective and I know you don't really care about the legality of it and that's fine but I just want to focus on like the youtube videos as they stand as like a product I understand that the VODs are on twitch and that that would you know create an inherent problem as well but just for the sake of the conversation to keep things clean and keep us from getting too messy that's that's my focus if that's okay with I think that's pretty reasonable as an explanation of all of this is to figure it out on the grounds of youtube and all that it wouldn't apply to twitch VODs okay um you know what just for the sake of having a good argument I'll do that except for when except for when the topic matters if it doesn't overall fine but there are certain points that like it plays a big role into it if it's too big I think I want to ignore it you know what that's 100% fine I guess I'm just saying that for myself so that when I'm talking you understand that I'm talking about your youtube channel and not making general statements about what's happening on twitch okay that's fair okay cool so I guess my first question for you to start is that do you think your work is transformative of course that's one of the main tenets of fair use do you think your work is transformative yes which is a really interesting response because of course I was like didn't I ask him that he said no or the very least he admitted that his content is filled with non-transformative stuff and so again this part I almost want to try and wait until for years back because this class is golden fair what can we talk about to pretend as though we can't possibly continue in this few minutes well we can talk about well let's examine the room personally I was looking at his room and I realized that his skeleton had hung itself his skeleton could have taken it more and hanged himself no no no that was the maid from before oh no it's a warning to other maids oh no Maria I think it's because he's a huge fan of Jared it's a reference it might be a reference doesn't have the runes yeah it needs the runes permanent marker runes on it he's got some plushies on some spare computers I guess maybe the one behind him is a fridge is that a mini fridge I think that could be a coolie I'll say this is very low tier in terms of streamer backgrounds the giraffe is neat he's recently moved I think that's why he hasn't found the elements yet the feng shui as they say alright well he had enough time to hang his skeleton and bring in his his computers and his guns we will get that done when we move in we always put in the skeleton up if those are skateboards shouldn't there be wheels on them are they snowboards oh snowboards it's true there's no snowboarding here it doesn't come to mind snowboarding is hard by the way it's hard as fuck I told you about it so you guys know the streamer Ludwig right streamer I think I've heard I do yeah so he recently did a stream where he watched 9 episodes of Vinland saga on stream with everybody when I saw that stream I was like oh no why are you doing this but he's the kicker was he on kicker? no the thing is he asked Netflix a crunchy roll and a creator of the anime if he could do that to promote the show and they both said yes so he got permission to do both of those and was able to watch it live on stream with everybody nice so it's just interesting to see that people can figure that out with big companies but some other streamers can't even ask some YouTubers to watch the video I find that really interesting they're surfer on YouTube man oh this looks interesting you can't expect him to go to stop the stream and go ask or plan things it's got to be spontaneous it's a cool thing I find it super interesting I tried a picture of if the six of us had a deal where we could all watch Simpsons episodes just as an example how would it go do you think would we just laugh where laughing is relevant or would we pause to comment or comment while it's going I don't even know what would they want do they want the episode played mostly without interruption probably I mean before the three e-faps that we all did last year on this topic there was the Twitch TV the TV meta where they literally just watched full episodes of Hell's Kitchen and stuff on Twitch that was going for a while that finally got slapped by Twitch so for a while it was very common to just I think so yeah that's why they stopped I could have sworn it was mentioned that they're still trying it these days but maybe not I think it didn't why did she need to do it I don't know why I would say I don't know why I think maybe people who are lower on the rung deserve to do it more I don't know it's virtual girlfriendism okay you can sit with Pokémon on your virtual couch and watch Hell's Kitchen yeah gang gang ice cream yum ice cream so yum that computer that computer in the background I think that's the one he got from Linus Tech Tips oh it's been retired huh is it really bad I think Linus gave him like a free computer as like a promo thing for like a crossover and I think that's its fate it's now sitting there alright Fringy's back now so I'm gonna roll it back a little welcome back of course that's one of the main tenets of fair use of course that's one of the main tenets of fair use do you think your work is transformative um yes that feels like a different that feels different from what he said before so this is why I wanted you to be back first so here we go everybody cause I was watching this when it was happening you do here I mean okay cause I was watching I don't know if you heard that weird uh that sounded like someone that might be here right now watching you yesterday and here you said it's absolutely not transformative here it is you don't have to care that's totally fine but you agree oh my god oh my god Mahler I bought the h3 podcast now you made it on the h3 podcast you're so talented I made it and I yeah what I saw was like holy shit he watched the stream oh my god if he watched the stream then that means he is very prepared yeah that means he fucking knows what advice was given and he knows what context was given so it's just like yep this is uh good luck XQC this is all you can have now you've created non-transformative reactions 100% yeah okay that's fine we agreed yeah what else do we even said 100% so so here you say you've 100% made non-transformative reactions did you change your mind um no no no absolutely not the whole point is that never is overly bad because I think we all have stuff that is non-transformative if you do a full on yes or no I just kind of like play with the question and that was kind of like play with the question just play with the question I legit my very good friend that question I think there's a core idea in his head and it's struggling to get out which is yeah uh you know I was vague with my answer sometimes or at least left room for interpretation but ultimately I have made non-transformative and transformative reactions that's what he wants to get to I think but this is like he's just all over the place already because this has got to be a little bit stressful to be playing a clip of yourself talking but contradicting what you just said so but your work is not fully transformative some of it is not by your own admission look at that face he's like admit it what? you know you cocked it yeah some of it is less reactive yeah 100% okay so in that regard do you care at all about like IP or copyright or like the fact that it's illegal does that matter that it might be illegal does that matter to you? oh no it doesn't matter flat out it doesn't because that's fair that's totally fair and so because what? you know what to be fair that was definitely like a chad no situation it's like don't you care that this is bad no alright it makes our job easier ish I guess I think the problem Ethan was having was just like wait now where do I go do I go trying to explain why it's something you should care about or should I just be like wow wow there you go you don't care which means you don't care about stealing stuff you know it's just like because I don't think he expected necessarily for him to just go like nah fuck it fuck it it doesn't matter to you I don't think it's there's any point to really even discuss well I can elaborate I can elaborate a little bit go ahead please and open the door a tiny bit just to give you a general angle general angle one of my favorite Star Wars characters usually the people that enforce it are the ones that have a problem with it the problem with the nature of the content itself I mean kind of in terms of the reality technically if I'm playing some telltale game well I mean they could take me down and then they want there comes the gaming argument maybe they could it's a little unclear the gaming thing is strange but no one really goes after it I always hate the gaming it's brought up because it's a very different medium and if I have my favorite game for its story and I wanted to know what everyone thought of it I could watch all of you play it separately and then play it myself you know I mean like it's fundamentally there is a difference between playing a video game and watching a video game whereas watching a video and watching a reaction to the video that adds only like 5 minutes to commentary is more or less the same thing mechanically you would absolutely all do different things but even that's why I brought up a story part even that you could all react very differently you could all create an experience that's very unique it feels like there's a reason that companies haven't on mass clamped down on that though it probably should be admitted like we are in a timeline that is a lot luckier than others where they did and a hell of a lot less content is available for that but that's the argument that a lot of people try to put in for why react stuff where they don't transform anything is okay because games okay this is okay but I don't know if you guys feel the same way but if someone was to do an XQC with I don't know I think of a game like DRS does probably a good example I'd be like you pretty much have just stolen the whole experience of DRS to and re-uploaded it he did say XQC did specifically say a telltale game right so I don't think a telltale game should count necessarily there's choices everywhere so it's different DRS there's a game that I think that was the example TotalBiscuit gave of like wait a minute is this a game because you just walk forward I think all you can do is stuff I can't remember if that's but yeah that's their game and I'm yonking their stuff so legality wise they could clap me for everything I've got but for just playing their game sure yeah I don't I wouldn't say that because again I don't think it's true I don't think it's not true either it's that weird sort of gray area of nobody like nobody does it and it's probably gonna stay that way you do not want to be known as the first game developers or studio or publisher to really go after people for doing that it's like the worst PR you could ever do but I wouldn't just so blatantly outright say oh yeah I'm not allowed to do this it's not a good position for you to put yourself in obviously well so fair use is decided on a case by case basis by a judge or jury so it's hard to do epic sweeping generalizations about what is and what isn't but ultimately if I understand your position you don't really care about the legality of it you're more like concerned with the philosophical thoughts of like reacting to content the limitations of that I care enough enough about it to where it affects me right so I have to care if it affects me what a lie it affects me it's stuff because it's the legality of it if somebody wants to strike down send out a claim I have to act on that so even though I care or not that will happen and it happens all the time except I like to create an environment where I engage with people in content that are not going to do that because they believe in the mutually beneficial nature of the interaction which has video games even though the video games could strike me and they want to just play a game on my stream right so I think my point is that we can kind of skip this whole conversation because I think we both agree if we did a fair use analysis and you admit that when you say it's not transformative that a lot of the stuff you do would fail the fair use test so we're at the same page and also a lot of your stuff too so we're in the same boat pretty much no I don't watch H3S3 but they have so many things but they just talk to each other and then have clips from something in there this was always definitely not comparable at all the strategy I mentioned this is always going to be XQC's plan was to try and level the playing field be like we're not so different you and I you can't come at me with your moral high ground because you're the same as long as XQC can sort of muddle everything up enough and get enough of an argument enough of an example then you're in hell with me probably not as much but even then that's not the best strategy you have to drag down the other person to your level I guess in a way that helps but really it doesn't change anything about what you've done and all Ethan would have to say is yeah I've done it in the past but that was a mistake that I did it and I think that it's bad so that instantly creates the distinction between the two of them which is not what XQC wants to have so it's very easy to get out of and it doesn't even really help you so I did a little stats maybe you don't want to hear it because you want to wait what was that translate I have statistics that will prove you wrong but perhaps you're going to put your fingers in your ears and say la la la la that's what he was just saying I love that song that was such a strange instant shift into a much more confrontational yeah apparently I think XQC believes already that Ethan's super hostile and to be fair he kind of is yeah you shouldn't take too long to discover Ethan's ulterior plans here but not to be his friend the fact that he's got clips on hand and he's studied that already shows but I'm just saying this comes across as a particularly big escalation in the confrontation you don't want to be the first person to throw out the insult yeah you wouldn't want to do the whim or anything what's happened there is he's very explicitly said I have the information to be a bit too emotional about it that you want to ignore it it feels like this is how all conversations go like the subtext eventually it always happens usually it doesn't happen in like three minutes no all of a sudden by density of content with how much you upload as a person as a channel I upload this much overall because I have a lot of runtime you upload about this much to break down the percentage of not similar content your ratio is how is mine I have no idea what you're trying to say right now it's not fair because Ethan could just say that at any point in the conversation I literally don't know what you're saying I don't understand this much that much you gotta explain that a little more do you see him smile I don't have to say that I feel like he knows he can pull the I don't understand what he's saying whenever he wants did XQC have like a data analysis person like go over the entire channel of H3H3 and run we will say in words we're gonna see an example of what XQC's editor has done for XQC and prep for this debate the things that are all on YouTube because you don't need to talk about my podcast it doesn't matter your content the stuff that you control and upload overall all the content you put out there I have about that much because it's a lot of runtime I have no fucking idea what you're talking about do you have proof of that you're just saying that much of this much that seems a little silly I have one of the highest runtime across the internet in terms of putting out content that you do with your commentary on the video if your stream is 12 hours long and you're reacting to an 8 minute video it doesn't matter it matters what you said about the 8 minute video it doesn't matter how long you streamed for he's right but the thing is all XQC's trying and failing miserably to say is that you are probably more a higher percentage of your content you probably transgress more than I have that's what XQC's trying to say he's wrong what is your evidence of this but this is the thing Ethan knows as well as we do the audience have no fucking clue what XQC's saying for the most part actually you talking about length is irrelevant and shows your lack of knowledge XQC would be like I'm talking about it point so if you let me elaborate on my point instead of breaking the semantics you're bringing in semantics by saying you don't understand what the hell I'm saying by not hearing my words you are doing semantics I think a lot of people they associate the word semantics with maybe they think that semantics means useless filler of a conversation instead of an important element of words and what they mean in their context I think semantics are important I think that I find it often annoying whenever someone says you're just doing semantics especially in a conversation where you disagree on the meaning of a word yeah like this is foundational to our we have to resolve this using the same words to mean the same thing otherwise we're just going to be talking past each other the whole time that's just semantics you're like sure it's not just semantics it is semantics it's Sitch's law what's Sitch's law Dev gave us his law the majority of arguments mine is much better the majority of arguments are really about definitions you just don't realize it interesting now what do you mean when you say definition well semantics is the condensation of words it's mysterious and wet where does it come from words generate meanings in the same way that the air generates water imagine if I've tried it before imagine if there were people with that Libertalia was just full of jam that like Avery and all of his pirate buddies had just taught a jam and they killed each other fighting over the jam and then Nathan starts shoving the jam into his shirt to try and collect it all together and he's like why can't I hold all this jam you're just slipping on it you're running semantics that's how fair use works okay we're not even talking about the nature of the condom yet fuck the condom hold on just to be clear you said you said you said you said you said hold on just to be clear you said you don't do fair use but I don't also so okay real quick it sounds like what's happening right now is XQC is panicking he knows he's kind of caught in a corner like this early on which is crazy for a debate but he's caught and that's what it sounds like the way he's trying to that might be how it sounds but seriously he's just trying to say Ethan you do it as well and worse that's all he's trying to say but he's really bad at speaking I wonder if like if you're blind right and you're like an inch away from a wall that you're about to hit you don't actually know it's there even though you're about to run right into it I feel that's kind of like how XQC is here he doesn't plan ahead when he starts a sentence no one knows where it's going to go or what thoughts it you know let him hear discovering it all as he goes to be slightly fair to XQC which I hate to do he's just Ethan just keeps interrupting him he should just say oh like let me state my full argument before you interrupt me and then we can talk about whether the argument is valid or not yeah I think everything that was just said is true I actually think all of those things are happening all at the same time because showing him a clip of himself definitely would have stressed him a little bit that's some deer in headlights a little bit oh yeah I mean he's definitely stressed out I think that's part of the reactions the other guy's more prepared than you are I'm not prepared we're talking about care use just to be clear right okay okay let's let's reel back a little bit and stop being stupid for a minute and just kind of like listen you're bold that makes me it's slipping in the insults instead of it's stupid it's super just to look at it like an actual like if there were health bars because it feels like a defensive punch that misses it's like what are you doing if you're thinking of a pokemon battle it's like yeah it's just a miss you cast counter but there was no attack so just imagine like defense like as soon as the clip got played it was like growl defenses down I think the obvious one here is it hurt itself and it's confusion oh yeah I don't know if yeah I wouldn't there's something specific he does that I would totally say that for but um this just feels like a miss to me like look at Ethan's face he's like what was that you just call me stupid for no reason at all well see this is why I think it's a deer in the headlights reaction right to having your being on the back foot immediately but being hit with your own clip you know and I from what I saw of this it just feels like he stays in the back foot the entire debate because he doesn't he doesn't ever recover from having his own words played in him well it certainly like obviously if you had a PR guy you'd be like don't don't do it before Ethan does it Ethan's audience are now going to be 100% against you I think the most important thing here is that Fringy is a fake Pokemon fan because growl reduces attack defense oh my god it's hail whip hail whip and lear lear is making it to fall sharply yeah that's right and of course stand attack lowers accuracy yeah what's the one with speed wait wait wait what did you just call what did you just call Pidgey fake fan detective it's Pidgey Pidgey Oto and Pidgeyot Pidgey is not Pidgey I didn't even know what I was laughing you got me I'm Pidgey the fool I wish it were called Pidgey Pidgey, Pidgey Oto, Pidgeyot what a pity what a pity come on that way I'm going to say it that way we got to see how he gets out of this he's on the hero's journey right now okay I'm listening you said see I feel like Ethan's like I'm winning this is working I haven't even tried yet I'm already winning feel like I overprepared yes you said that too but yes yeah absolutely I understand and I said that you did you right and I'm going to say you did you hey sit you did you you did you it was like a fun game show super wholesome who did you I'm Gene Rayburn welcome back to who did you with our special guest Richard Dawson two double fall fallacy right but in the instance where you try to take the high road and say well I don't do this guys well you do and the my next point is that an amount of content that you upload you're non-reactive there's actually quite a lot of I don't know what that means I don't know if you've caught it but seriously I like my main issue for him right now is he just can't fucking say what he's trying to say which is just you do it you do it worse than I do all he's trying to say how hard is it to say that and he keeps like moving around and Ethan's able to just poke at him being like what are you talking about why'd you keep talking about length and this and that that's not that's not a fair use works to stop saying that it doesn't mean anything you're just saying stuff I'm just saying words well I'm saying that you're just doing this you do a lot of this and this there's no stats there's no data I don't even know what you're referring to and that by the way this was this where I was like wait a minute if you remember my conversation with XQC and other times he's spoken on this he does say specifically the phrase like stats and data he says that all the time I think Ethan's heard him say that and he was waiting to throw this out first to be like you have no stats and data look at you no stats and data I need the stats and data if you want to be proven right you're just saying this is long which if he did do that like if he had prepared and actually like taken a sample or something and compared it he could have gotten him but if he's just appealing to this even if you found a couple examples even then you could always you could be like and think of the ones we didn't find compared to how many videos I can get a view but I mean he probably hasn't done that in this conversation doesn't he bring up something or tries to bring it up I don't know does he okay well um I saw like the first 30 minutes we're gonna get all kinds of developments but like the all I'm getting at here is that Ethan's just trying to be him up right now verbally Ethan is using debate tactics here because he does understand the concept that XQC is trying to say but he keeps saying well you're saying doesn't make any sense so he's trying to like perform for his audience to just disregard it like the concept if Ethan picked up 45% of a point from what XQC said every time he'll be like unless we hit a 60 I'm just gonna appeal to him being nonsensical I can and it'll work he knows he understands what he's trying to say I think he I think anyone can if they really try to listen to XQC and take it slowly which is again why I feel like XQC's got every right to start getting angry but you've got a hold back on random insults because it makes you look like a fool stop saying that it doesn't mean anything you're just saying stuff well I'm saying that you're just doing this you do a lot of this and this there's no stats there's no data I don't even know what you're referring to I mean if you want to talk if you want to talk about stats and data he's introducing himself to his own angle he's he's railroad which is it's a way to do it it's a strat but you go to worry for XQC now it's like wait what no I was doing a thing where are you going one specific video that I just analyzed just picked one out of the lot a rapper who got a $20 and Frank tattoo this is a let me just read off the stats and you can tell me if Matt is up or is worse so this is a video uploaded to your channel 10 days ago rapper who got a 10 minute and Frank sorry a $20 and Frank face tattoo okay so the original video run time is 9 minutes and 13 seconds oh sorry no the original video is 8 minutes 33 seconds okay the video here he added 40 that's neat good for you he added 40 seconds compared to the amount that he would have added to the JFK LEMONO video that might actually be more sure if the ratio works out is less here that you uploaded is 9 minutes 13 seconds that means you added 40 seconds to an 8 and a half minute video adding 7.8% run time actually I even did you a favor I condensed all of your commentary on this specific video into just a short video because it's only 40 is it the only favor easy to see you've just been railroaded hard you don't transform and then he's got you all like look how awful this is wow 3 seconds so I'm kind of impressed yeah he's not doing too bad he just put the noose around his neck he's like let me do your favor let me tighten this noose around your neck I'll show this well this is important because what you say the commentary does like no don't speak don't speak until I'm done matter because before you finish let me go so you're about to prove me right I said I do non-transformative dog shit and you're about I do non-transformative dog shit I do like him in subways we don't disagree on everything yeah okay fair so I don't have to show it to you you don't clap me because I mean I just said I did that as I say I'm white and I'm on camera what's happening what are we talking about his point is that your stated facts that we've already everyone knows is true and we've all agreed that's what he's trying to say but just saying that's like saying I'm white and I'm on camera he's like what are you talking about Hitler would not be proud it's such a bizarre fucking approach to this it just feels to me like he's flailing a little bit here he's using splash this is more transformative than mine the consistency the point you're trying to make well hold on before you do that let's just they both want to play their shit let me wait I'm gonna do my fist I do think it's interesting because the commentary does this is so funny to me because like obviously I did it for him with the JFK video it looks like the editor slash producer whatever has gone out and found one of the worst examples and he's put together all of the reactions from the video to show you all of the transformative elements right that's how this works this is one of the what the fuck am I and it's so annoying to know that he actually just does this all the time he just keeps going what the fuck what no way I'm a big ol' house if that was finished wait that is the response it's pretty good actually that guy's pretty good at that I know this video that's wild though it's so funny as well because you can already see that he didn't even talk about the obvious thing to talk about with a video like that should that be something you be allowed to do what would you say about a friend who maybe chose to do it he doesn't talk about any of it he just goes what a far what a far what a far what a far imagine having a friend I wonder what the far I guess I thought they had like one song hey that was it shit in the playback the giraffe is still there so that's been there for a while then I guess so he's just living that at least that was really recent like really like yesterday night I don't know it could have been he's just like scouring watching every stream well that's the thing though you can't tell the difference between someone like sniping a really great example deliberately to make him look bad or this could just be a random normal newest one you don't know I could believe so that's the entirety of the commentary you added to his eight and I know you don't defend yourself on this so I guess it's kind of a move point but the quality of the commentary you've admitted guilt he has said he's guilty just to be clear but moving on you could tell they probably talked about this off stream and it's like you've now laid him out the audience aren't going to be sympathetic to him at all at this point you have to be commenting analyzing being critical of the content you're watching for it to be fair use but that doesn't matter right because you don't even believe it is I think you're right so I think instead I think we should get an example of one of your examples then it's now turned into fuck you you do it too bitch you're just as bad as me which can only not really do much it's a lateral move at best let us begin the hundreds of millionaires fighting each other by throwing shit at each other that's what life is all about I guess I'd love to let's get one of your examples that show me the guidelines what I should do to react no he does so instead of having my example of this I think we should use yours instead so I could learn how to be a better creator how about you click on that good idea good idea oh I have to open it yes in a chat one second here don't tell me it's the clip that he was complaining about when he was watching them on their original podcast right like when they sat there just watching to see how long it would be before he spoke it's probably worth mentioning now the way this has worked is XQC has been supplied clips slash edited videos from his editor and I don't even think he's seen them this is his editor's work and his editor's told him I found examples of Ethan doing the thing that he's going to rip into you for so just play these on the stream so yeah you uploaded to your XQC clips channel you uploaded five so you uploaded five well I just want to explain it you uploaded five clips just play it so when it was my turn you played my clip when it's your turn you don't play the clip and you just comment before seeing it for you I'm going to play it I'm opening it here sorry here it is here's one of them from your channel 1.2 million views in six now is it okay if we watch this one Ethan shows XQC how transformative reactions are done number four this is the one you uploaded number one two three four yeah there's one two three four they're all good so here it is so you can finally over Logan Paul do you have a problem already Felix there's a cut here there's okay King why is there a cut there huh so may as well get all the context out early so you can understand how this conversation goes what Ethan is going to try and argue here is that he's he's taken what was it like an eight and a half minute video and then he took XQC's reaction which came to nine minutes and ten seconds something like that and what he did was have the editor chop out every last thing XQC says and then look at the length of that and then look at the content of it that's what I did when looking at XQC stuff as well because that gives you a strong impression of everything that XQC added and when you see that it's like what the what the XQC's editor the fucking galaxy brain that he is was like oh so you take an issue with anyone who just sits there watching the thing right and it's like sure and it's like okay so if I cut out all of your commentary there isn't that look like sit there just watching it for like three whole minutes oh and it's like oh you did the reverse oh no you fool editor to prove that Ethan is just as a vicki like basically take an EFAP stream and then play all of the times we play the video and cut everything else out and you're like see you don't transform it it'd be like you idiot you fucking moron you're fool it's actually actually taking me a while to sort of comprehend just how foolish that is this is this how long is the bother earning those vinyls that's the problem with that Ethan lays out pretty clearly this is the length of the original this is the length of yours here's your reaction that makes it really easy to follow if you just show me three minutes of Ethan not saying anything that means nothing to me if I don't know how long the video is already pointed out the first few seconds has a cut in it it's like wait what was in the cut something that I said the cut was the transformative content so yes if you cut out all the transformation yeah I guess I don't say anything and the thing is Ethan was there when this was created so he's gonna know that he probably transformed it because he's this is the thing you're dealing with Ethan Klein someone who is very very familiar with how this works and legally speaking knows he needs to transform it well yeah more so than a lot of people he'd be aware there's also the fact that you see decided to come with this evidence and not even check out he didn't watch them beforehand which is a huge mistake it's that terrible mix of he's an idiot and also a fool doing this debate in the first place was probably never gonna work out good but he doesn't have an understanding of his own let's call it intellectual limitations and he had to bake prep that was weird yeah like you have all of these resources to work with you can just pay people to do all this work I did watch the Destiny debate prep didn't XQC just do nothing that Destiny said he should do pretty much ignored all of it he didn't take my advice either focus on how you want to help people focus on you don't come across as an asshole it's a really really good bit of advice but nevermind yeah at least be nice you know at the very least come across as likeable that helps like you can maybe win this debate if you focus on the raw numbers of how much a YouTube creator gets a bump from a Twitch streamer watching their stuff you can make a decent argument there just from like the consequentialist point of view like hey look your channel blew up after I reacted to your stuff you can make that argument he just didn't do it there's loads of avenues he could have taken he could have argued this in a way that would work out well but he's really not doing well so far I don't know if Ethan points this out but the video that XQC brought up Logan Paul apologized to me by CoffeeZilla it's 13 minutes and 15 seconds long the editor cut out Ethan saying nothing for only 2 minutes of a 13 minute video that literally makes Ethan's point yes Flix there's a cut here okay Kani why is there a cut there huh? oh wow huh? this is why it's good to explain all this before I end yeah there's a cut here so whenever you play my video did I say wait Ethan I think I've seen something on the screen right there is that a dead pixel just play the fucking video bro and XQC has no idea what Ethan's getting at already okay but it undermines your argument if you're showing an edited clip if you're cutting out my commentary and then trying to say I don't you do fair use I'm not playing finally over Logan Paul apologized CoffeeZilla probably about the right time to comment on how insane this is by the way we're watching an editor took a reaction to a video about a whole other thing and chopped it up to show on a show about reaction content whether or not it's fair use it I like how the cameras are all in there and we're reacting to that and all the cameras are in different positions as well it's like who's the real one some other streamer reacts to this and their camera is going to be in the final the fourth corner fortunately it looks like Ethan changes his background so instead of the little bunny in the forest it's like a winter wonderland I like the bunny on the beach I like the beach bunny I like the beach bunny yeah he's just you know he's chilling out having a great day we said they like beach bunnies I love beach bunnies yeah you got a problem with that no he does that all the time he said it about santa too wow yeah you did first response he apologized look at this idiot it's not the editor by the way has now edited in clips of Ethan saying look at actually sitting there like a moron like trying to say hi you do it too big blunder because that just makes it hard to follow it does it actually confuses it if there's one thing that you need for this it's clarity it's like that I mean hold on I will say as someone watching this as a stream there's two Ethan's voice that's not coming from either of them wait what do you think that XQC's editor said that he needed to condense the video and XQC was confused by that word you're probably right he didn't talk about it he's literally just sitting there quiet and now we've been to cut a piece from leftovers it's like why are you doing that it's just confusing everything especially when there's only XQC's they're together oh my god you see him at the top right he thinks he's winning something here we all look at Ethan's face it's just like it's none of this which Ethan look at that face that's like a face of what is going on 30 seconds you should sue him fuck you XQC you beef bitch turns out it's actually on his secondary channel I'll play the whole thing just let me know when to stop see if you want me to thank you coffeezilla they could sue you and they would be right to sue you I think they would be in the right I think so Paul and it's a pretty big change in Logan's attitude so far so let's see what he has to say to us coffeezilla is not a criminal I wonder if he's gonna hire me what do you want to keep up the guy says I wonder what you have to say about this he thinks this is a slam dunk he thinks he's got him he hasn't said shit yet so I mean well you told me to let the clip play do you want me to interrupt it you got to choose a lane I was trying to be creative with it he's trying to be creative I was trying to be creative I believe you do comment down at the same time I was asking the old Ethan the guy that's morally aware of everybody he's high-roading to react to it but he's not saying shit do you want me to keep playing it okay cool but in all seriousness that's a good well you caught out fundamentally we have no fucking clue what he's caught out it's useless absolutely useless information have some major admissions in it I want to go through for one Logan apologizes to me I called him I apologized my criticism of him right now was that he uploaded this to youtube because I understand the nature of I'm gonna tell you I find it really interesting that you think this is compelling this actually first of all there's what can you say you failed to understand the point so hard so many cuts in it it's not persuasive at all but one thing I do want to ask you about is why you cut out the beginning of the segment when I talked about it here's when I set up the video here it is and again the framing what you say what would have happened while they were playing that is someone as a part of his team would have just gone the length told him play the beginning and you could just counter it in real time he has a team so when you have a lot of money and you have a team of people that you pay to help you with your job you can utilize these resources in order to help you not look like a fucking moron on the internet to be fair it's not the money isn't the problem with XQC he's rich it's the latest oh yeah he is a gajillion I think what we're actually saying is what you have oh shit buying a giraffe which by the way that's okay I'd do that baby I'm totally for buying the giraffe but I think he had a little bit left over to maybe you know spring for him improve his yeah so you could like maybe it's an expensive giraffe like an albino giraffe or something you can build a studio and expand your business and have employees and do a real thing or you could buy a giraffe he tried to pay his maids his editor didn't make this montage that is true but he's paid so something went very wrong because I think what you will hear here listen if it were a live giraffe is it better math on that yes you could you could ride him around town well sure but you probably edit better videos pulling that giraffe from his natural habitat yeah manna eight leaves off of tall trees and everything whatever it's a closet giraffe though well I feel like I like that very antithetical to where giraffes ought to be yeah and that's why it was so expensive and he couldn't afford anyone to do a shit for him there you go we solved it not joking by the way I would wonder who's whose team actually sees editors on a traitor to the throne so here's how that clip starts Felix what you cut out for some reason yeah so Logan made a video after you got absolutely bought like bought deed for his response where he's like I'm going to sue you this is bullshit why did you cut this me oh you played up video so is that a pre-act is that like a pre-act you just went in and pre-act is when you react a pre-act is like now we're going somewhere else why does that count it's like well the clip should probably count yeah I mean it should count yeah because you're adding content and also it's not mandatory you could just not do it well I mean that's what that's how it works for some reactions on Twitch right they'll just throw on the video and then just get up and leave without any preamble the preamble and your perspective on it is transforming it but it's just the point that he did make it's like why'd you cut it because you can't cut it if you didn't have the clip beforehand like the first thing that happens is the first part of the clip you can't miss it well to be the crazy part there is an answer to that question that is genuine and that is I was just showing how much time you don't react to and that you are sitting there and then the conversation moves into yeah but I'm allowed to do that as long as I'm transforming the majority of it that's the confusion but now XQC is like pre-act we actually can't stay on this is a losing argument anyway but he can't even like stay on it to his credit the word pre-act is pretty clever it's pretty clever I like it that is funny react is an alright portmanteau but I wonder who I wonder where he heard it from took out like 30 second slices from it so basically what you were saying is that you're going to the bar right and this part is like where you get in and where you get like a beer or something like that right and the rest of it you just fucking say what the fuck is that drinking guys talking about it why did you make it so much more complicated XQC like it's going to confuse the shit out of everyone why don't you just this is like why not just say what it is instead of trying to be like a magical parable to try and get the idea across just to find it just say what it is don't know what is any fucking clue what you're going on about fucking just like the intro so if you put an intro you're good so you don't understand how fair use works and that's fine but I don't know why you want to debate fair use when you don't care about it yes what you say in the beginning matters bro you're analyzing I'm contextualizing I'm criticizing I'm analyzing it that's what fair use is I'm not just sitting there and the audience isn't just re-acting watching the video while I mean you do get up and go to the bathroom a lot so I know that you want to but that's fine because you don't care about it but for you to think that this is so you use me as an example for your indignity feel it your identity indemnity? he wouldn't have used that way no why it must have been identity maybe indignity it could be because you mentioned going to the bathroom which is an indignity indemnity is security or protection against a loss or other financial burden so there's a chance he could have meant indemnity then there's a chance that I might be a chance if we hire a team of seven lawyers to investigate this sentence there is a non-zero chance that this might make some level of sense in a certain context depending on your interpretation chat like this no fucking way do you think this clip is compelling do you see what I'm saying that this example is really dishonest okay so in that clip my editor edited your own words saying it your editor did this have you watched it so this is a part that I particularly love listen specifically to the answer SQC gives though the answer should just be yes yeah wait for it you just watched it for the first time so the cuts have you watched the unedited version on my podcast so I'm going to go back because I feel like it may have been missed okay so in that clip my editor edited your own words saying it oh can I ask you something your editor did this have you watched it well yeah I watched it like you just did I watched it like I just did he's like you just did yeah Ethan we were there you were with me a moment ago you've watched it before like a little boy with his hand in the cookie jars like did you just take the cookie to go I didn't what do you know no it's like mom comes in and she sees you with a hand in the cookie jar she's like what are you doing here and the kid's like what are you doing here I'm protecting the cookies what are you doing but yeah just knowing in that moment like fuck I obviously should have watched them what have I got is there anything I can say it's like just say you have watched it just now cause you just did that's true there's also like a drop of throwing his editor under the bus in there too he doesn't really say it but the way that he like the tone of his voice is like well my editor this is like oh okay he's trying to pivot to throwing his editor under the bus mm-hmm I clip my editor edited your own words saying it oh can I ask you something your editor did this have you watched it um well yeah I watched it I did are you just watched it for the first time have you watched the unedited version on my podcast um yeah it's okay so then why was this removed if you don't let me talk I mean we're not cause yeah he's actually correct here you're not even letting it he answers the questions which is good and then goes to say someone else and then Ethan cuts them off it's like being a little rude being a little rude well I just want to get to the point you know what I mean cause I don't want you to deflect I want to know why you cut this part then when you ask a question you have to wait for me to answer otherwise it's not going to work okay go ahead please I apologize that's good stuff go ahead okay so there's four of them out of many of them by the way there's we only upload four cause we didn't want you to go crazy with the DMCA stuff um basically it's pretty much a lot of it's spliced that was a knock at him by the way that wasn't like a legit point I was just saying that we had five examples of you not transforming didn't want to do more than that cause didn't want you to DMCA us cause Ethan on leftovers made comments about how he hopes that XQC reacts to something he's made so we can DMCA him that's what that comment relates to and that's why Ethan made a face cause of course he wouldn't DMCA him for using examples in favor of a debate about fair use back to back cut it's like you're pausing a video but it's the same thing you go and stretch it two and a half you like how we try to make two and a half sound log two and a half yeah that's a lot of minutes man that's a huge amount of minutes but here's what I will say go get the one from that one you combo mustache twiddling hair and neck skin and you do like this what is he talking about what he's trying to say is the Ethan's commentary on meetcadion's video about twiddling his mustache and touching his neck and stuff but I feel like he just never communicates very well so you just listen you're like what the fuck are you doing signature villain maneuver by the way touching one's neck you see him I'll do it I'll do it that's major react bro you're right you understand this concept because you talk about all time meetcanyon is my friend who gave me permission to react oh so it's about permission then sometimes hold on before we move on I just want to make it clear that when you're accusing me of not adding enough commentary that you did upload a clip that's deceptively edited and I mean frankly which is true he needs to get back on to that point because that is when you don't want to lose out on the XQC's edits that try to fuck you over in a really really dumb fucking way don't let him forget it's dishonest why did you cut this beginning part it wasn't deceptively edited it was just a stupid concept XQC never explained to the audience it's up to the it's really up to you whether or not you want to go one direction or the other I think it's absolutely an accident the editor misunderstood but that you can easily sell it as deceptive and especially when you want to make XQC look worse but I'm with you I think it's incompetence I think the editor was like see he sits there for a whole two and a half minutes mm-hmm so Ethan why did you cut this? unfortunately the problem that I have right now is that you're saying that now and you're saying all this whatever right but it's quite literally you in the video that's edited you're just cutting it it's not the video how is there's cuts in it how it is how is that a representation of my analysis all right then examine exhibit B the meat channel one I already told you I had permission okay okay so why do I need to look at that so now it's about permission all in this one aspect yeah in the video you're trashing me you say he's sitting there and I will say I think XQC's managed to slither out of that now Ethan's let him do it he's like fine we'll go on to talk about permission 40 seconds without talking that's one of your major concerns or criticism it's why it's highlighted so much in the video that's a big hit you can do it and I'm going to show examples of you what he goes that fast I got nothing I don't know it fucking hurts my head like slow down just a little bit the whole point of communication is that other people understand your words and your thoughts so slow the fuck down it doesn't matter if you're saying things quickly if no one understands you you're just wasting everyone's time okay maybe just rewind it and like set it to 0.5 no no fucking way you understand all the times where you go not only 40 seconds you go 2 minutes without talking so then I don't have to argue against you you have to argue against yourself because these are your own words well here's what I'll say about that you're right because the 40 second thing is not a good analysis that's not a good that wasn't a good thing I said because when you're considering fair use considering the totality of it so what's happened here is that Ethan I think on Leftovers said if there's a 40 second amount if there's a time of 40 seconds if you're not adding anything then that's an automatic fail but Ethan's probably realizing that's not a good metric because there probably are times where that's okay I'm sure there's times on EFAP where we've let it go for 40 seconds that's probably happened it's a wider context you've got to consider more things he was just annoyed to see a stretch of 40 seconds I gotta say this part here where he's like take it back then didn't he just do that by saying it wasn't a great argument the thing about it is there's nothing to take back because he's talking about XQC's approach in totality not whether or not he did a 40 second gap in that that's wrong in and of itself this is complicated because it's like well yeah I guess I was talking about your content when I said the 40 second thing and that's not a valid critique but you are one of the worst reactors of all time I'm still standing by that that's what's gonna cause a huge breakdown here in terms of communication take it back in no you still are a content thief in my opinion why would I take it back I just said that wasn't a good analytical point I still think you're a content thief okay so take back what you said then why I believe it that's what I mean this is like this thing breaking through very easily this one I know I am I apologize for the 40 second thing I don't think it was a good analysis you want to go with the other comment that you made or not huh you want to go with the other huh the comment that you made or not we could go through all of them because you're wrong across the board every behavior you call me out on you have done in those videos okay if you say so but why do you want to okay hold on let me ask you a question why does that matter hypocrisy isn't a great argument because you can just say well okay even if I did that I'm sorry I shouldn't have done it I know that it's wrong and that already defeats the tactic it already falls apart two thieves next to each other and one of them says what I did was wrong I shouldn't have done it that was a bad thing to do and the other one saying yeah fuck it it should be mine I'm glad I stole I'm gonna keep stealing like that already is a really bad parallel that you're sending out what's happening though is I don't think actually she's gonna be able to make this argument but what you would need to do if someone calls you out for you're just doing hypocrisy you need to say I'm trying to point out you don't believe this is wrong you believe it's right but you're trying to make exceptions and you're trying to stand on a high horse that's all you're doing right that's the strategy yeah why did you say high horse you should have said stand on a giraffe oh hi giraffe I mean a giraffe isn't a horse though right well like it's a a quadruped servant animal right instead of being on a high horse get off your giraffe you know maybe you should just stand on his bunny no but then that would hurt him well it's not a real bunny it's a good little video giraffes are high and they're horse like so you stand on your giraffe and there was a giraffe in the video that we talked about pretty prominent there giraffe like yeah horses I don't know I don't know if they're ungulates they might be I can check though just tall horses okay horses yeah like all horses yeah the giraffe is an African even-toed ungulate you made that up no it's true they're member of the diverse clade you gonna lie to which just means true ungulates is that like an orc sounds like an orc or I think orcs are elves I don't know what elves are what are elves battle of helms deep giraffes and then they climbed up the giraffes next to get over the wall it was nice ooh yeah they have like ladders built like attached to the back of the giraffe they climb up yeah yeah but they'd be like fucked up Mordor giraffes like they're on their own oh man yeah yeah okay I'm liking it season two you still got time Mordor giraffes they're in the castle right they're in the castle and then the horn blows like oh no the orcs are at the gates and then the knights run out of the second floor of the castle and then slide down the giraffes necks they're going down like fire poles and then ride off nice why does that matter okay because earlier you said it you care about this all the time and all the time and maybe an answer you were like got him he said it he said all the time when you seem to be the guy who doesn't do any stealing or feeding and I have four examples right there all that just happened there was Ethan said if you're gonna call me a hypocrite how does that help you and then XGC's response was but I can call you a hypocrite exactly he didn't ask the reason why it's important to make this argument not show an example get another one then well that's not my job you're the one that's trying to prove it I go pursue and try to prove I don't do fair use why should I prove that I'm doing wrong like what this is like when the judge turns to the witness what do you have to say in your offense you know some witnesses would be dumb enough to do it stupid way that seems like that's exactly what you guys have been doing on twitter and whatnot right and it's your whole concern yeah I'm showing stuff about you and not telling you to go find a video of yourself not doing fair use that's just to just posting videos of you not asking you to find videos of you doing not fair use like what the fuck moronic so you said thief right yeah show me one I just did with the Anne Frank one 44 seconds of commentary on 8 minute 30 second video where you offer no critical analysis and do you have permission did you have permission for that maybe I didn't so this is really interesting because this is the thing well this is a tough one because XQC needs to hammer the point home that you condemn me whether or not you found out that I have permission which is a good point but you don't know but Ethan if Ethan's fast enough which he absolutely is he can be like did you did you admit it do you not want to admit it do you know like to the audience it's like yeah did you and XQC obviously didn't his point is that you don't know but he's losing ground in it immediately yeah it is he's not good at litigating his own positions so why don't you tell wait why won't you tell me Ethan's getting for the juggler already he's smiling yep because he knows the answer did you are getting I'm just saying are we moving the goalpost are we moving the goalpost there now it's not a goalpost it's just another facet of the conversation I heard that word in the debate once yeah that feels like people roll out is that what it means I don't know oh yeah move the goalpost moving the goalpost he's all semantics like gaslighting all of these overused internet words that have ruined things that are actually useful for describing conversations it's fucking annoying it quite literally is when you make it a goalpost okay what do you want to talk about the permission thing okay there you go I do want to say one thing there's the XQC could have actually drilled a point in there but he lost it but he let it go tough to get past the whole why aren't you telling us if you had permission or not if anything you just showed us an example of you doing the thing that's all Ethan has to do is just keeps asking that if he brings it up again in my career in my ten years of career I'm sure that there's been times where I have I've done a less good job of reacting fairly to content I'm sure of it right and that's so you're not even you're not anymore and that's something I acknowledge and something that I'm always working on and analyzing and thinking how I can do it better it's something I really care about and the reason why this conversation is interesting is because it's something that you don't care about and I'd like to know I'd like to understand that but are you saying have I ever done a bad reaction in my whole career yeah probably yes probably almost certainly so then would you agree to eat old Ethan or not to only then is a thief sack of dog shit why does he keep saying old Ethan it couldn't just be like it at any point in time you know throughout his entire career you're like trying to cast it as though there was a pattern of behavior of him being shit at it when the point he's obviously making is sometimes I don't do as good a job as I could have yeah because how which is a very normal human being thing is normal and it's hard to be like oh so you admit you're a piece of shit it's like what the fuck like it's not a pattern of behavior what has already been established to is Ethan is showing like you know guilt slash remorse when he's whole point is that he doesn't give a shit exactly a huge difference mm-hmm at the same time is that when he's when he when he phrases it as all the Ethan he's just giving Ethan a note is again that was the old me that's or because remember all actually his goal is to equalize the field is like we're not so different he's saying old Ethan at least right if it's not new at least old Ethan is all the things you called me so hey which doesn't even mean anything and Ethan should be able to handle this pretty well even if it was the case that he was bad at it before he'd be like yeah I was bad at it and that was shit and that's part of the reason why I motivated to make sure that it's other people don't make those mistakes sure yeah in those if that's what happened in that time sure I was a dog shit sack whatever the fuck you said have you made any effort dog shit sack whatever the fuck to repair damage or the things that you stolen from the people that you from well again I don't have specific examples there's nobody that's approached me so I it's you know have you taken accountability the same way you want me to get a accountability publicly for that I just did didn't I not really why not I just said yeah I've probably done that what do you want me to do you're gonna rob a bunch of people and say guys I might have robbed somebody lol I'm moving on I mean well it's not like going in a store and sticking somebody up fair use is interpreted by judge or Jerry so is it is it is it thief or is it not thief because the way I see it the way you do it I think is that steal something from somebody right there's gonna be a process of like finding who's guilty how much there's a whole process behind it like a legal system is just like I mean don't you have a legal system you seem to care but you didn't see a lot right so being a thief surely you're gonna care about that a lot things he's like making points yeah I assume everyone's following along but he's trying for you know it's like I see I got him on this thing definitely he's trying to wedge in on Ethan right because Ethan's whole thing is that you've taken shit from people that doesn't belong to you and then he's like yeah but you've admitted now that you've at least done it at somewhat at some time in your past correct and he's like yes and did you rectify it did you pay them did you contact them and if you know Ethan's always gonna say no it's partly built into his whole thing is that he likely has done it he doesn't know that he's done it because he always avoids doing it and on the point yeah like he doesn't under like ex-QC doesn't understand that Ethan is saying I have a standard I'm sometimes falling short of that standard here and there every now and then rather than what ex-QC does which was like a pattern of behavior exactly and there's no like that's just what I think in the entirety of EFAP's history I wonder if there's any time we would consider ourselves non transformative and if someone said like so you think you've transformed every single one I'd probably like I don't know that for sure I don't know yeah I think we have well if I to put one or the other I'd probably go for we have transformed all of them but I mean there's a chance we haven't by some standard maybe beyond our own difference between that chance versus the ex-QC chance which is likely basically all of them I don't know I've seen a transformative reaction from him yet so you know I don't know which where the victims are or if there are any all right let's move on we're talking in circles a little bit we won't talk about the permission thing so what you're doing is running away pretty much we're not running in a direction and you're going straight forward and that's what's going on now that's clearly not the case but I will just let it be for the sake of continuing the argument but yeah you do it every single day I mean I've done it maybe a few times in my career I've done you know and again I don't know who the victims are and if they come or nobody's ever come to me has anyone ever complained that you stole their videos? why do you think he's asking this question? because the answer is yes well it's beyond the answer being yes it has the screencap right of the yeah he's prepared it's the equivalent of like you know it's like in Jerry Springism it's like if your mom were here today what would you say to her? it's like you know she's a bitch and I hate her it's like well we have a surprise for you I'm guessing that Ethan has it was Neo right he was the guy who not Neo from the Matrix but the guy who had the cold moon video that's an example but no Ethan's got someone else oh well in any case yeah I figure that's what he's got like a tweet or something um anybody that has anybody ever? okay because nobody's ever complained to me about that oh so now you care about rather somebody right and if they didn't tell me well you know what which is actually a fair response because this conversation needs to be developed fully does it only matter if someone complains well that's not a good ethical standard all the problem isn't as much as possible to develop all of these aspects of the conversation well it's also just that Ethan's already explained that as far as he's aware he's transformed everything because that's his goal but he's probably not done it well at least once maybe more actually he's barely like comprehending what he's saying it's insane I can't believe that he can't understand what Ethan's saying well and I do want to give credit where it's due that is a solid response to what Ethan just said the fact he's like oh so it's only a problem if people come to you mm-hmm yeah yeah victim of the crime doesn't matter oh my god again look at these face comparisons look at that it should be mentioned Ethan is bold and happy to get him angry that's like a goal look at that look at that shitty grid oh so now you care about rather somebody right and if they didn't tell me well you know what you're saying the victim of the crime doesn't matter which is exactly what you went after me does the victim of a crime not matter well he's asking after the fact the exact argument that you went at me for and you were running away from it I don't know listen the proof that you have victims is literally just concrete proof you did it that's the only reason I'm saying it I don't understand your point which is an okay response the idea of like yeah there may be crimes that aren't accounted for but we know that there's someone here who feels you've stolen from them and that's that's more than you've got of me which is nobody so we say victims I said yeah some people you stole from they're a victim so okay and what about your victims I don't know who they are how many times do I need to say that me reaching out and making an agreement with them and every time yes we you're not even he's moved him in so now he just needs a reference if you want to open up the chat and go with the logs I have so many logs to make your head let me ask you a question I have hundreds of emails you should bring those to this conversation but like do you remember XCC in the beginning of the conversation said he never likes he doesn't like say always or never he doesn't like those because he always wants to make sure and it's like Ethan just said so you get permission and he's like yep always every time yep it's just like so now you screwed because all he needs to do is get one time where you haven't but I think XCC's point was more so that he is invested in it and he'll do what he can in relation to it not that he gets it every time before he covers a video you're funny this is why it's good to always say things like generally which is what I add him if you're listening I know you are generally he does way less asking than I do why are you bringing up his song what does that have to do with anything because when he was on the podcast we were sucking his balls out so second who's balls out so we watched we watched Ethan and Assad on leftovers that's what XCC is referencing you know everyone here in chat would you call what Ethan did sucking Hassan's balls out Hassan was not comfortable in that conversation he sucked his balls out of his body Hassan got more grilled on the topic of react content than in the rest of his entire life on that stream Ethan had to apologize after it he shouldn't have so this is bizarre I don't know why he made this point wait is this the thing that Hassan didn't start even though a couple of days ago prior to this he was saying XCC was a friend wasn't this like when he started chatting about how he was an asshole or something don't worry that stuff that'll come later good good any reactor which is more than your friend Hassan he does way less asking than I do why are you bringing up his song what does that have to do with anything because when he was on the podcast he was sucking his balls out he was turning on each other making his balls out also XCC just referred to Hassan as Mr. Chair React which is priceless fucking priceless he's not wrong no he's not wrong the cock cool in the kettle back what are you doing Mr. Chair React dude you're so dishonest you don't even know what you're talking about last week I chewed him out for an hour to the point where I had to apologize because people were mad at me you literally don't know that sounds like your problem it proves you wrong you moron what are you saying yeah that was a huge misfire even XCC knew that Hassan was chewed out by Ethan I don't know why he phrased it that way it is my problem but you have no consistency what you're talking about you just said I lick his balls and now I proved you wrong my consistency get it right like my whatever licks again this is shit for doing chair react when he does cookies and cream when he does cookies what is happening oh my goodness what have you done let's just move on to the permission part you know what I thought let's just keep running this is a marathon and you how about that what those are different and those are the opposite things in his mind he's like I know a word that's sort of related to the concept let's do a marathon you want to do the opposite some of this you just have to be like okay what if you say man some times the analogies that you come up with on the fly when it is all of them it starts to get a bit problematic that's right I'm running after you and you are going straight forward okay good that's the point of the conversation you are going forward that's the point what percentage of people would you say you get permission from the majority because the way it works for me for react the main lines most of the content that I like I have it all lined up the people that I really like the best we reach out to them it's a partnership and when there are smaller creators I try to be way more careful with the amount of growth that they are getting by the way this is all really good as a reaction he should have just brawl this out right at the beginning that I have partnerships with all these creators that I care about them and the smaller they are the more careful I need to be it's a huge winning point with Ethan because Ethan the permission part is a big part of it obviously the thing Ethan would need to do then is to prove he is lying this is so weird because from the beginning of this drama if he had just said this I usually do that and I've made some mistakes and I shouldn't do that anymore this wouldn't have blown up but instead he had this fuck you I don't give a shit attitude and that's why everyone jumped down his throat I don't give a shit attitude while very clearly demonstrating that I do well supposedly but it makes him seem dishonest here look at the way he is reacting it's like even space right yeah that's a funny face lots of them I try to be better with it and quite honestly when it comes to small creators I've never had any push back right so no victims in that case that's perfect why is it perfect old flame have you heard of a guy named Vince vintage you reacted to two of his videos this one was from a month ago do you remember this video disappearance of fps it's so court of law right now do you remember this video did you have more that or no do you remember watching this video the fact that the witness is like I don't remember okay I'm clearly there but do you remember when you were in the store stealing that we have you on camera doing remember is that me I can't recall I don't know I just can't recall I plead the fifth that was two and a half two and a half weeks ago okay perfect so it was very recent so would you consider this guy a small creator he doesn't have a lot of subs in fact here's his original video he only has 400,000 well that's not small but anyway you did this recently do you know who that guy is I think Ethan may have accidentally undermined himself a little bit by describing him as like a small creator because you can tell he wants to paint a picture but then he instantly realized like I shouldn't call a 400k subscriber someone as small man I wish I would be that small on youtube I think a lot of people would say like that's small isn't that you guys like mid-sized now I know you're more as big right compared to the totality of youtube channels it's probably still like it's funny the reason Ethan said small is to help paint the picture of big ol ex-qc is absorbing vampireing this smaller person but really you don't even need that ex-qc is enormous of course he would crush a 400k sub channel easily yeah relative to him is small okay why didn't you ask him for permission I don't know did he complain because at this point I don't know if I'm a victim well you do actually and what's funny is I literally just reached out to one random person from your recent reacts just one who followed me it was only one yeah no I swear to god are you a victim by the way hold on this is important for you to understand so I reached out to the vintage and I said hey I'm just curious well I think what ex-qc is trying to get at is like you're creating victims into becoming victims but in a way like a soul goodman type would be like can you make claims on things that have happened in your life no you hurt your back it's not okay you're not gonna get over in a week it's gonna be a lifelong debilitating come on buddy the implication that ex-qc is giving is that Ethan would have contacted them and said are you annoyed that ex-qc did this and they'd be like no and he's like yeah but you are yeah and they'd be like you know why you might be able to jump on my podcast if you are annoyed because you can talk about it that sort of thing could happen Chris did ex-qc get permission he was not making that argument yeah if he was clear and dude if he had evidence the big key that uh he really should have like Ethan shouldn't have said but technically speaking probably should give the information but as he said the person followed him is like well yeah you're like oh biased you could easily point to that and he would have told you the message he sent me that's okay he said really appreciate you reaching out Ethan I've never been contacted by ex-qc at all for any of my iraq videos my personal take is this I love big streamers watching like ex-qc is on miss kiff moist critical watching my videos on the stream I wanna pause this moment it's so priceless oh no ex-qc is like he's reading this out for his benefit he's celebrating unknowingly that there's a big but about to come it's a big ego boost but when ex-qc does it it's different when he watches my video he always reuploads that frown wow that's so funny whoops the way he slumped it was like a cartoon with his insightful commentary as wow chat isn't this crazy compared to when Hasan it's chat watched my stuff he shouted me out and he says he loves my stuff and he sent a bunch of subscribers to my channel a fair exchange he showed me a video of Hasan doing that and then he said ex-qc he really just steals my shit entertains his audience of hundreds of hours I put into my videos so what I will say is that if I were ex-qc I wouldn't bother with the bias claim now Hasan himself has said he likes it when people react but ex-qc does not transform that's right hold on a second I mean I'm not sure if I can take this guy at his word because he's making the claim that Hasan transforms yeah but Hasan does it should be mentioned on record Hasan is 50-50 sometimes and he makes this what he does is he feels he's doing the opposite of what we as people like us would do but he would assume say he has ten reactions seven of them are excellent one of them is okay we would look at the two and then say he does that every time and then he would say nah I do the seven every time that's like the stupid fight that goes back and forth and why the communities clash and stuff I'm willing to admit he does