Welcome to ASU KED Talks, the podcast. I'm your host, Robin Trocolis, and I'm here with Gaiman Bennett, associate professor of religion, science, and technology at Arizona State University. He studies modernity in contemporary religion and biotechnology. This morning, we'll be chatting about Silicon Valley nativists, alchemists, and Idaho. Hi Gaiman. Thanks for being here. Thanks. It's a pleasure to be here with you. Your ASU bio states that you work on the problem of modernity in contemporary religion and biotechnology. Would you talk a little bit about that problem? First of all, it's a nice way of being filled with academic jargon and sounding very important about the things that I do. What it really means in lay terms is how is it that new technologies are part of now several hundred-year history of imagining what it means to be a modern civilization and what we invest in when we think of ourselves as moderns? Where do we put our hope? Where do we put our identity? When we imagine problems, how do we imagine them such that they would have technological solutions rather than other kinds of solutions? A day after midterm election, we can imagine lots of ways of dealing with problems in the world, but one of the ways in which moderns imagine changing the world and changing their lives is through the engineering of new technologies, which means that technologies, and then in the case of the work that I do, both biotechnology and high tech, invites us to reimagine ourselves, reimagine our bodies, reimagine our cultures, reimagine our civilizations as spaces that are amenable to certain kinds of technological innovations. That may sound really grand, but if we think of just simple things like our cell phones or like the so-called internet of things that link stuff together in the world, we fundamentally change the way in which we relate to ourselves and we relate to one another, and therefore the ways in which we cultivate hope, imagine certain kinds of futures, reimagine the past that we've lived relative to where we're going, all of that is the question of modernity and the problem of modernity in relationship to technology, and it ties in for me into a set of big questions that typically, or at least historically, have been taken up as issues of religion and spirituality. When we spoke before, you had mentioned the Silicon Valley nativists. Who are the nativists and how do they get to be who they are? Yeah, Silicon Valley is a really interesting place, basically to anywhere, but certainly relative to Northern California, and I know you have some connections to Northern California, but Silicon Valley sits in kind of the southwest corner of the Bay Area. The Bay Area at this point in its history as a kind of international hub of finance and technology and lots of other things, culture at least, is a city of transplants in lots of ways. If you go there, the upwardly mobile are the best and the brightest from all over the world really, and they come to the Bay Area to be there, but on the front end of the personal computer industry or the birth of the personal computer industry, the people who are involved in it really were kind of homegrown folks from that part of the world, thus the legends of people building computers in their garages, which some of the time was basically true. There were these homebrew computer clubs that people like Steve Jobs and other famous figures were a part of, and they were a homegrown set, and that matters for understanding the trajectory of the personal computer industry because it means that the cultural formations in that part of the world, the ways in which people lived their lives, what they thought was good, what they thought was important, the little rituals of everyday life about how we relate to each other, the physical landscapes that shape who we are and what we think is beautiful and worthwhile, and all of the stuff that all of us have experienced in the landscapes of our lives and in the cultural places of our lives, is definitive of the birthplace of the personal computer industry, too, which means that you can ask these really interesting questions like, how did the culture of those little neighborhoods on the west coast of Northern California, which was saturated with the countercultural revolution and the longer history of the beatnik culture and some weird tangle with big government spending on the development of technology, all that stuff comes together in this very strange and local way, and here we are, a half century later, and it's this global international hub, which whose culture is in part the culture of the thousands of people and billions of dollars that flow through there every day, and yet it's indelibly marked by this very intimate cultural landscape populated by the natives of Silicon Valley who became the kind of heroes or anti-heroes of global technology. You had also mentioned that the history of alchemy includes stories about the soulful, even spiritual relationship between scientists and their work. How does that history compare with that of the Silicon Valley nativists today? In the spirit of short answers, you can ask me a second question about how I came to think about all that stuff because it's related, and that's the juncture point to Silicon Valley. Okay, alchemists. There is a surprising growth of interest in the alchemists among pointy-haggeted academics. There's something about their mystery and materiality and the combination of those two things, which seems to be seductive for those of us who stick our noses in books and stare at computer screens all day and forget to live in our bodies and think too much. We all want a little bit of soul, and we want it to be material in some way because academics are nervous about terms like spirituality and religion, and so if they can have soul and get it out of stuff, that would be really cool, and so alchemists seem to be this very seductive proposition. So there have been a number of books that have been written lately on the history of the alchemists, and the alchemists are experienced in revival. Little did they know when they got chased out of the churches and pushed out of the halls of science that one day, again, they would be popular and seductive and have a certain kind of cachet. But these books that have been written about alchemists, this is my long way around to a very straightforward answer. The books that have been written about alchemists tend to say things like, you know, they were way more scientifically serious than we thought they were, and you may think that these alchemists were all about woo-woo and strangeness and cosmic forces and trying to turn lead into gold and trying to find the philosopher's stone so that they could live forever, but in fact they wrote lots of stuff down and they were the first place where people really measured the relationship between like the size of the vessel you're doing your chemistry work in and how hot the fire is and the shape of the furnace. So really they're much more scientific than we give them credit for and we should take them seriously. I read these books and I think to myself, no, they're not like us at all. And that's the reason we should take them seriously. And the way in which they're not like us, and I say not like us provocatively because I actually think they're a lot like us, but we are not admitting it. So the way in which they seem to be not like us is they weren't just trying to turn lead into gold. They were working on themselves as much as they were working on their materials. And the reason we know this is the idea that the individual person is somehow fundamentally separated from the physical environment is a very modern idea. And by the way, with the study of the human microbiome and ecology and complexity science, of course we're scrapping all of that, but along the way we had this moment in which we pictured ourselves as fundamentally separated from our physical environments. And so here are these weird little alchemists who seem to be these characters who think they can take this stuff over here, lead and turn it into this stuff over here, gold. No doubt along the way there was some version of that. But most of the alchemists lived in a world in which you would have taken it for granted that there was a porous relationship between your inner life and your outer life. And there was nothing you could do in the outer world that wasn't going to have some deep effect on who you were. And so you did this work with fear and trembling, not least because it could literally blow up in your face, but also because you were taking your own soul in your hands, the truest parts of who you were. You were not just trying to transmute the materials, you're trying to transmute yourself so that you could have access to the truth. The old version of all of this was, such as I am, I don't have access to the truth, but such as it is, the truth can come get me. And so something deep was at stake in all of this. So why contemporary technology then? By any measure, the stuff that we're doing in contemporary technology is mind-bending and beautiful and frightening and is touching on the deepest stuff in the world. If information in some way is a fundamental property of reality and you begin to build machines that can twist and turn and dance with information, you're doing something pretty close to metaphysical, let alone questions around biotechnology in which we're reworking our own bodies. So I watch technologists do this stuff, intrigued by, fascinated by, sometimes horrified by some of this stuff that goes on. And one thing that I see that's common in all of these spaces or most of these spaces is that on the one hand, the technologists proceed with what they're doing as though it was just mechanical. We're just rolling up our sleeves and getting to work. And yet, if you spend enough time with them, you realize that they pour their lives into this stuff, their identity, their sense of where they're going, so they don't think just, I'm producing a technology that's going to change stuff out there. If I produce this technology and it goes the way in which I think it's going to go, it'll change my life, I'll get a better job, I'll become a billionaire overnight. I mean this is the crazy thing about Silicon Valley is all these geeks woke up one morning and they were gods of the universe because they had more money than everyone else. So these massive moments of fundamental transmutation of people's lives. And so even at a surface level you say, well, man, something alchemical is going on. People are pouring their souls into their work and their work is transforming them. So from the point of view of the kind of questions I'm interested in, I want to say be careful because the way in which you imagine your work is the way in which your work will imagine you. And if you think this is pure instrumentality all the way down, your life is going to be transformed by pure instrumentality all the way down. So this is where alchemy for me comes into this mix. The nativists seem to have a unique view of life's peak experiences and a unique view of death. So this question is twofold. What is the difference between peak experience during the 1960s and peak experience today in the Silicon Valley and how do today's Silicon Valley nativists view death? Wow, what a question. So let's start with peak experience. So peak experience is a term that covers lots of things. And in the 1950s, 1960s, then taking off into the 1970s and further on. Peak experience was a term that was floating around and lots of people were using it, the Gestalt psychology of the Esalen Retreat Center. Some people listening to this will know what Esalen is. It's a beautiful retreat center on the west coast of Northern California, a place that by the people who go there think of it as a kind of spiritual hotspot where you go to think about the big questions and how they relate to your lives. Places like Esalen and other groups thought about peak experiences as those moments of greatest awareness of our truest selves. And there are lots of versions of it. There's also the human potential movement, the self-actualization movement, so-called new age spirituality, which we know is 101 flavors. But what they all share in common is this idea that you can have these experiences of self-transcendence. And so during these years of what we now look back and think of as the counter-cultural revolution, this was really about good old-fashioned work on ourselves that one does either in a kind of therapeutic mode or in a mode of spiritual practice. But it was also about an awareness of one's expansiveness or potential for expansiveness that could be glossed as the expansion of consciousness, that could be understood as the expansiveness of one's deep connections to the cosmos and to other people. This attention to issues around peak experience and all the things related to that idea of peak experience then connects into these founding moments of the personal computer industry. It doesn't explain everything, but it explains in part why something like the personal computer industry happened in Northern California rather than in Cambridge, Massachusetts or some other places where there were super bright engineers. And of course along the way those other places became an integral part of the acceleration of the movement that became personal computing. Okay, so that's at the birthplace and we can see how the personal computer is a kind of reflection of the same ethos, the same desires, the same appetites that might infuse notions like peak experience. The idea that you're becoming fully aware of yourself, you're expanding your own consciousness, but in expanding your own consciousness, you're connected into lots of other things. As I said in the video, there's this really interesting blend there, culturally speaking, of a kind of Christian individualism. It's me who gets saved and a kind of Eastern metaphysics. Wow, everything is connected to everything else. And that has a kind of rough analogy to the way in which the personal computer is imagined. Okay, now that was a very long answer to only part one of your question. I'll give a short answer to part two of your question. So how does that take form today? Well, there are of course people around who think in technological terms about that same stuff, like digital immortality. The culturally surprising versions of that kind of thing are ideas like computers will get so powerful and so ubiquitous that we will effectively upload our consciousness onto a machine. And we will continue to have an awareness of ourselves as a center of consciousness beyond our physical death. So there are versions of it around like that. But even if you're not willing to kind of go full metaphysical with digital technologies, and lots of people in the valley are nervous about that kind of thing, it gets called stuff like transhumanism. And so it's somewhat controversial. But even if you're not into that, or even if you don't take that particularly seriously, there are of course lots of ways in which all of us are going to experience digital immortality. We're now living our lives at a moment in which traces of my existence are being shed onto digital platforms all of the time. My phone is recording everywhere I go and everything I do. My medical records are being uploaded onto the cloud.  And there are speculations about what will happen when we begin to implant electronics into our bodies and into our brains in various kinds of ways. Whole aspects of our lives will be transmuted into digital traces, and those digital traces will live well beyond our physical lives. And so there is a kind of pressing question for everyone around issues of digital immortality. How will we curate the lives that we've lived when we're no longer here in this world? So all the way back to peak experience then. There as the residue of those early countercultural moments all over the place, they're now taking highly technologized forms. Those forms are mediated now by markets and money and interests and chatter about disruption and the rest of it. But the residue of that stuff sticks around and it sticks around in these really heavy questions, big questions, significant questions, which are nonetheless being sort of answered by default through the elaboration of new technologies. I understand that you're originally from Idaho. You later moved to Berkeley to attend graduate school, then to Washington State and most recently to Arizona. From talking with you earlier, it seems you're exquisitely in touch with the landscapes you've inhabited and how those landscapes affect the culture of the place. Could you talk a little bit about that? Yeah. Wow. You perturbed the still waters. So I moved to Arizona for pretty straightforward reasons. The experiments that were happening in transdisciplinarity at ASU were right up my alley and I had had very cool collaborations with lots of people who work here at ASU unrelated to the fact that they were at ASU and in fact, in three different cases unrelated to the coincidence that they all happened to be employed at this particular institution. So I had been watching ASU and it had been my radar. And to make that part of the story short, a job came up in religion, science and technology. I had previously had jobs as a kind of philosopher, anthropologist in residence, in biotech and related places. I kind of wandered the halls of the technology labs asking questions that the biologists might not ask, but at least we're kind of fun to talk about them and maybe even consequential. But you know, for anybody who's been in that world, it's a life of chasing the grants and that sort of thing. And so a job comes open at ASU. That's a good fit. And I had friends here to really encourage me in that process and really cheer for me as it went along. And I got a job at ASU, which was thrilling. Culturally, it was a big step. You move from the rainforests of Seattle and, you know, the sort of geeky culture of both the Bay Area and then the Puget Sound and you move to the Arizona Desert. So there's lots of sort of obvious ways in which that's a big transition. For me, two things about moving to Arizona were significant. The first was, of course, the job was everything it was promised to be. You know, this is what people don't know from the outside with ASU is there's so much talk about the experiment here that nobody knows whether or not it's just branding. But I was told by my colleagues here that this is the one place around where if you want to try something unusual, no one's going to get in your way. And there's probably people around here going to support you in doing it immediately. That was clear to me. And that's made possible in part because of the big structures that are in place at this university. There's we all know the experiment in the New American University, which makes all of this possible. But it was also possible for me because my colleagues were such incredible human beings and were supportive and excited and capacious. And I had been in institutions where there was lots of petty politics and maybe all institutions have some of that. But in coming to ASU, I found so much less of that than in other places. And so that supercharged the work in really good ways. So number two was, I moved to the desert and I had grown up in the high mountain desert, but it's similar.  So moving to the desert was a major change in landscape for me. And so for me, spiritual lands, landscapes had always been spiritual landscapes in this sense of places that shape who you are and what you want. And so it was a big change for me to move here. I couldn't see the water from my house anymore.  I was like a total change in vibe, change in scene. I went through some deep crises when I got here in a personal crisis and with my family. And to be in a new place and go through that kind of thing is so hard. My colleagues were an incredible support to me. You don't expect that in a professional setting. You don't know that you can take it for granted, but I had several friends, dear friends who are professors here who would check in with me regularly. So that was beautiful and that was unbelievable. But I also had to deal with the darkness in my personal life within the space of these new landscapes, the landscapes of the desert and the hardness and the brokenness in my own life had to be dealt with in the space of the hardness and the brokenness of the desert. But Phoenix and the larger Phoenix area is this sort of unexpected place of spiritual riches as religious people might say and is filled with people who struggle with the question of what it means to flourish in the desert and it won't have escaped the notice of lots of people that many of the great world's religions and spiritual traditions were born in the desert. And so there's something about the desert, which on the one hand is physically very austere and almost as if you could like flip a negative image and suddenly you see that this space of like ethical and spiritual possibility, maybe even intellectual possibility in the landscape of the desert is quite profound and quite powerful. And so I began a search for the ways in which in these great spiritual traditions as I glossed them, the ways in which metaphors of darkness or shadow as I say in the talk are not just metaphors of brokenness or pain or loss, although anybody's been through any of that kind of thing in their life knows that it feels like you can't see it feels like the world's closing in on you. There's a kind of darkness to it, but there also these little places of redemptive transformation in which those are precisely the places in which new possibility can happen where you didn't expect it to happen. And so I began to wonder, I was like, well, all these spiritual traditions grew up in these deserts, there must be important metaphors of darkness that are beautiful metaphors. And of course, you don't have to look very far before you find in many of these traditions references to being in the womb, being hidden in the shadow of the mother's wing, a very famous reference in the Jewish scriptures to being hidden in the cleft of the rock. And so these metaphors of darkness, which are both honest about the difficulties of life and the real limitations of existence are also these spaces of beautiful transformation. And so this became from a one way, another way of entering back into the landscapes of cultural anthropology. This work that I do on technology, studying the natives of places like Silicon Valley, it became another way of asking questions about what was going on in those places and how thinking about these places through a different set of concepts or metaphors might bring into view things that we might not otherwise be paying attention to. So why do you study what you do? On the broadest level, these are questions that have never left me alone. I wouldn't necessarily describe any of this stuff this way for most of my life. But this question of how we relate to our physical environments and how that relationship transforms us, the way in which the physical and cultural landscapes of our lives are simultaneously questions of deep spiritual and soulful consequence has always been important set of issues for me in my life. I grew up in the mountains of Idaho and like lots of people that grew up in the world that I lived in, I had this incredible and intimate relationship to the landscapes of the High Mountain Desert and the Rocky Mountains and beautiful mountain lakes and very talk about peak experiences, those who have been around that stuff, many of us who have been around those places know that there's something transformative about being in them. But I also grew up in a religious household.  And in my case, it was a very positive and rich experience. I know for lots of people, institutional religion can be terrifying and life altering in negative ways. But in my case, it was a very beautiful and rich experience, but there was always a kind of disjunction between the kind of peak experience I had, you know, when I was swimming in the lake in McCall, Idaho and the kind of peak experience I had when I would go to church.  And, you know, fast forward a long ways. You know, I have no answer to the question of how all that fits together. But along the way, I had people who would kind of give me nudges and say, well, you know, if you're going to answer these kinds of questions, questions like the alchemical question of how the material stuff is soulful, you can't just flee to someone else's tradition or someone else's experiences. You know, I grew up on the West Coast and spent a lot of time in the Bay Area and in places like Berkeley, California. And there's a lot of rummaging around in other people's traditions to try to find answers to the questions that modernity seems to have left behind, some of which is actually quite powerful and beautiful, not least the stuff around technology and peak experiences that we've already talked about. But in my case, I had people in my life who said, OK, like face up to the places you come from and the traditions out of which you come from organized religion, science, technology, press deep into those places. And if you can't find the answers that your heart is looking for, then fine, go somewhere else. But don't short circuit the possibility. And so that began a very long journey for me that was simultaneously intellectually enlivening because I think all this stuff is just kind of cool and I want to think about it. But also I'm deeply entangled in this. So if I have a picture of the alchemist or the technologist pouring herself into her works deeply in such a way that it transforms comes back to her and transforms her. I see my relationship to my own work in in very similar terms. If you weren't studying what you do, what would you want to be doing instead? Is this bait to get me to talk about opera? There you go. That was the next question. OK, well, we'll answer both at once. So the other love of my life over the years was music and singing in particular. Maybe secretly we all love to sing and some of us should do that around other people and some of us shouldn't do it around other people. And I was, you know, I was to the, you know, I was above the 50 percent mark in terms of doing that kind of thing in front of other people. And so music was something I thought was going to be in my future. I thought that's what I would be doing professionally opera in particular. Who knows? Those were fantasies of youth that might have amounted to something. But part of my decision to go to graduate school in the Bay Area. First, I studied religion and theology in relationship to science and technology and then eventually studied cultural anthropology. But I thought I could study those things while continuing to study music, which I did with some somebody that was a fantastic teacher in the Bay Area. And as life does, along the way, I was faced with choices, I know. It's good to have choices. Not all of us do, but I was faced with the choice of really needing to kind of go all in on one or the other if I was going to do it well.  But, you know, the little good news in all of this is my love of singing was always just the singing. And so it turns out that is something you can keep doing, even if you have other kinds of activities in your day. So I try to do little bits of that from from time to time. So maybe maybe that's what I would wish I was doing if I wasn't doing this. Do you sing here in the area? Not really. Not really. Yeah. It's mostly personal consumption. Yeah. And do you have a favorite opera? Um, no, I don't pick favorites when it comes to operas. If you're interested in more from Game & Bennett, watch the ASU KED Talks video at research.asu.edu slash KED Talks. Subscribe to our podcast through your favorite podcast directory and find us on Facebook and Twitter at ASU Research.


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Hey, what's up guys? So this is obviously we've already reviewed the lunchbox Rick and I if you haven't seen that go watch that We were a long ago, but this is I wanted to we've always talked about introducing Indian films to Americans and which ones we would introduce first and lunchbox was obviously one of our first one So I had a couple of my friends watch this film who have never seen the Indian film before and I've kind of spliced the reviews together And so you can see their thoughts of it So I hope you enjoy Let me know what you think and let me know what's the next film. We should have some Americans review down below How are you guys? I Mean And Daniel this is Zachary Andrew Charles Kieslitz He is my best friend from childhood Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's it and this is your first Indian film you've ever seen correct Yeah, I'm not not one that wasn't like, you know a co-production or yeah, like if you don't count slumdog millionaire But that's I would know you we don't oh I started a What was it called that? Hindi Hindi media Cuz your father I Cuz I was looking into after I watched the lunchbox. I was looking how this movie did really good and so dang We haven't even seen a Hindi medium. So what did you think? If you whoever wants to go first just your initial thoughts of your first ever Indian film, I mean I Love all foreign folks I feel like they just allow themselves to take whatever time that they want to Let their characters come through it's it's they revel in smaller moments a lot more than I think Western films do For the most part and like those small moments are what are the reasons? I like going to the films anyway, but I love that it made me miss actually a time in Western films where in You know back in the 70s you'd have these familial romances and dramas that were simple and quiet and With a great budget, and they don't really do that much anymore No, like the the quality the actual like cinematography and quality of the film was so beautiful and I think we Yeah, right. I haven't seen a film that looks like that in a long time that had the pace that this did like watching The the guy bring the lunchboxes and just put them on every single desk I think he did that like three times. Yeah is so slow and for some reason Is he gonna get the same one like it's so yeah, I love it because it's it's it the first you're going man It's as as when you're used to Consuming Western content you're like oh man It's just taking its time with with these moments and then by the third time that it's doing it You're now in the you're now in his shoes and here like you could see him Yeah, lunchboxes and waiting for me and you're waiting for him to see and now all of a sudden You're wanting to see the note as much as he is and that's the kind of patience that I think is Missing in a lot of films These days. So did you like the film? It needed more white people For sure Yeah, I thought it was um I was it was whole it was funny without like Trying real hard to be funny. It was like very subtle and yeah, it was it reminded me of like You know just older movies that we like like Casa Blanca type movies where it's like we're not trying too hard to entertain. We're just gonna tell a story and then Entertain on the in the process. Yeah, I enjoyed it I've been watching The chipmunk Alvin of the chipmunks four times in a row. So anything is better than that He has he has two very young children for obviously nobody here that knows that Three-year-old and a one-year-old the one-year-old watched some of lunchbox with me and he liked it I think it just did it and did you did you guys like the film? Oh? I loved it. I did really liked it I my North American Little girl inside of me was like Why didn't they get together at the end? Yeah, like I like I so appreciate the beauty of it I understood like that the poetic nature of the quote and that they kept bringing you back And that's what it was all about which is so beautiful But like the girl that grew up on wrong coms was like come on You like there's that tiny part of you that's like man. That's really beautiful, but gosh I want my love action. Yeah Like she opens the door and he's there and and it's even like that like just even at the end with that moment of them finally See each other as them for the first time. Yeah, but I also love that I love when a film allows you to kind of Fill in the rest of the story I think the thing that that she does in this movie does really beautifully is it leaves you with a Feeling and a tone at the end. That's just like Right where you want to be and when we took it off We were getting ready for bed and I was like, well, what if he doesn't make it or like, what if you open the door?  Let's talk about the the actors You've seen ear fun and yeah other stuff you saw from probably in I'm guessing slum dog inception Spider-man and Jurassic world probably right and life of pie and life of pie. Yes So what did what did you think of your phone? he's great actor and I've only known him unfortunately as Like side character side character Jurassic world owner park park owner He's either he's like either like a mean billionaire Guy or like a mean scientist guy or he's some like just background character for the most part and so I Recognize him, but I this is where I see him I was like a main actor and I thought even he was quiet most of the time But he still was I loved his dry humor like a sarcasm was hilarious and without him trying I And then I started looking up more stuff about him because and I he I know he died this year And so I feel bad like I missed and this guy's supposed to be like Looking up like the best act your phone. What did you think of your phone con? the main just so Effortless just there's there's a beauty in a lot of like Older foreign actors that I see and in foreign films who There's just an unfussiness to everything. It's just like and I know that's the character too I get like emotional thinking about it. I think I You know, I worked on this show called the band's visit and that's based off of up Israeli Egyptian film and the lead actor and that reminds me a lot of that too where it's just this quiet stoicness of like carrying the weight of the world on your shoulders and Trying with all your might not to show it And like being able to just show a sliver or a crack in the tiniest eye movement or emotion or Gosh, just the moment that like we pause the film because it broke our hearts And it was so cute was when he buys the painting for himself And it's those little moments of you seeing this this man like crack open, but it's so minute it's yeah, he does it was such a delicate touch that it's I Forget which actor said it a director, but it's like an actor's job is not to push it all out It's actually draw the audience to you and he's like hit a me of that for the record. He's a Beautiful man like like him being the old man. I'm like come on You're even with those weird glasses. They put on you. You're gorgeous. Yeah, it's like it's like yeah, you know He's beautiful. Yeah Like even with his glasses, he's like you could tell man this guy's a beautiful gorgeous man gorgeous He's easily the most effortless actor I've ever seen in my life And that's the word that everybody that I've ever shown him to that's the word that they come up with it's just he's He doesn't even look like he's trying the the other actor who was the is basically his protege The guy he was he was training. What did you think about him? His name is no was it a no was it in Siriki? I? Really love I love this we kept We we so desperately wanted everything to work out for the main guy that we kept going like is he trying to screw him Over like is he like is he trying to steal something from him? Is he trying to get him fired like when he went into the office? I was like, oh my god that guy totally is trying to get him fired that is that douchebag of a guy And then he's like the sweetest dude It was awesome. He was such a foil too for for him because he brought all this like He was like this ball of energy that was the thing kind of cracking through the shell You know so surely and then him inviting him to his wedding is like the most heartbreaking sad like yeah But even those first couple scenes I think there's like three or four scenes were essentially all he says is good mornings Or yeah, you can see him Getting more and more frustrated and more and more desperate just minutely But but he's not there's not like a huge shift, you know, it's so good every time he was on the screen He was annoying The beginning he was very easily. Yeah. Yeah, but then he's it was just another good actor I like what you said about him because I think it it defines the movie Just specifically is that it was everything was effortlessly. Yeah, like it was just it was almost like a documentary but more entertaining and Not not boring but more but more It was just everything was more genuine and and and real and like him because he he wasn't trying to sell the jokes She got her name. Yeah, the the the the one that was making the food Yeah, that was making food. She I mean, I thought she did really well Yes, she was really good and I was I said everybody like even though her husband who Kind of can we say bad words in this? Yes. Absolutely.  He did a really good job at not You didn't know he was having an affair. They never said anything. No, the other thing with the movie They never really said anything.  I feel like they they Try too hard to to get you on in the joke or on in the the plot without us No, trying to figure it out ourselves. Yeah, this movie did with just being a simple kind of romance a comedy He like a crazy major deal on India and we just don't know him. He in my opinion One of the greatest actors I've ever seen But what you saw is not who we normally plays. He's normally a psychopathic villain Yeah, he he's one of my favorite actors he like he's played by like there's this film By the same writer, but it's obviously a very different tone. It's called Gangs of wasp her which is basically I need to see it five and a half hours film But he baits like a godfather lineage story and he's one of them and so he's murdering people left and right And so it says it's big ordeal, but that's what he's known for is playing the The bad guy or the villain or the the psychopath and so like seeing him in this role where he's so innocent and Like childlike almost at times. It's just shows you how great of an actor. He is because he's known as One of the best actors in India That makes sense So it also totally makes sense to me now like why there was this tiny little bit of us that was going like oh No, is this guy gonna screw him up? Even though he ends up not doing it. It's like has that energy where you're like that kind of Amazing like manic energy where you feel like it could turn into something else on a dime That's like casting is everything like there. It's in her writing, but that's also just perfect casting. Yeah, so great Yeah, what did you think happened at the end? Now what I wanted now what I thought was gonna happen Where did you think he was he was headed? Where did you think? Well, I thought they were gonna meet each other I thought that was gonna happen. I thought I think and they kind of touch like it's just it's such a smart movie because You think it's this leading to this romantic movie and I love romantic comedies, you know and so I And that's another great thing about watching a movie from someone else's culture I memorize like every plot of every movie Because I've seen almost every movie in America. So I know what's gonna happen. That's why I love romantic comedies It's the same plot that you know But you still love it this one you thought I'm like, okay, they're gonna meet it's still entertaining But they're gonna they're gonna meet and see they're perfect for each other or whatever But that didn't happen, but they kind of touched upon the whole metaphor of The train, you know You the wrong train leader. Yeah, I think it's it's like the wrong train can lead you in the right direction or something like that Yeah, it's oh and that kind of was talking about how the food went to the wrong place But kind of led them to a whole new like friendship, but I also think They learned something towards the end where like he learned his like Kind of he's aging, you know, he's old He's older than he realizes and that he needs to kind of accept that instead of fighting it that his life is But then it also at the end when he sees the guy on the train. He's like, I'm I'm not that old Yeah, so it's he was kind of it was kind of like a Thing cuz yeah, he did he did he was looking at him looking at his hands and so he might have changed his mind Mm-hmm. What do you what do you think happened? I mean, I loved I mean, there's the romance the romantic side of me that wants to think that He gets to the door right is there about to leave for boots her and her daughter is about to leave for Bhutan And they see each other and they have a moment and on a whim They they you know get on the train and go you know and I And to me like that's even where my story ends for them because I'm going like I don't want to think about like is Is it feasible because he says all the reasons why it might not be, you know as he feels like he's Slowly like entering his grave, you know Which I also thought was just done so beautifully as well That's the guy offering him his seat on the train like all those tiny moments that are The insidious things that creeped in all was so yeah, like him watching her in the cafe was so heartbreaking. I hate I feel the same way I wanted to end I wanted to end the exact same way and it's it's like It's okay if it doesn't work out because they got their shot at Seeing if it would we actually saw another Romantic comedy not that long ago, which actually is like the closest thing to a Like a really grounded romantic comedy. I've seen in the second which I'm actually love actually love actually it's this movie called Juliet naked which Ethan Hawke stars in and They sort of have a moment like that where There are these They probably will not work out like you have no idea if they work or not these two main characters that fall for each other But you end with that moment of them seeing each other and maybe there's a possible like maybe maybe there's that moment of Okay, do they find a way to make this work? but I love I kind of love that It says so beautiful to fall in love with someone through their words and just their feeling seen and food and food and food and Was there anything culturally you didn't understand in this film? Like was there something you confused you? There's things that surprised us. I actually didn't questions about but there was nothing Like we we were we were fascinated by the idea of Somebody coming and getting everyone's lunch bag. Yeah, like For work bring it to work and then bringing it home like that has been easy.  They and what they said in the thing like a Harvard Professor a group came and studied them and they literally never mess up. They're the most reliable delivery service in the world It's so it's pretty The fact that I don't know if you already knew is that they call anybody older than uncle or auntie I think I I think I knew that before but I loved I love that it feels us so I Like familial. Yeah, you know that one of my favorite characters in the entire film is actually the one you never see is auntie her upstairs That that's it coming down Just like as it like bounces actually that's a really beautiful story when when she writes to him about the ceiling fan Yep, it's so simple. I love that story so much and she said she cleaned it without turning it off Yeah, that's so I love that like she managed to somehow clean the fan without turning it off And it's like the highlight of her day. Yeah, was there anything in this that was culturally you didn't understand? That didn't understand didn't know yeah Just a whole the whole plot around the the lunchboxes was really neat Like I mean, we don't have that really here No, those are those are real people and in Mumbai that that actually do this basically how like they Husband and wife, it's they don't show affection a lot of times especially in public They don't do that about about the culture a little bit I also thought it was just because they're Dynamics, yeah, they're dynamic was definitely different because when you see The the weasel Assistant guy with his with his wife. They seems like Like a little even though they're more married yet, but they just is it was a very different contrast compared to her and her husband But yeah, so I kind of knew that the other thing was the whole Like I really thought for a minute until towards the end that she was talking to her real aunt the entire time Oh Gotcha, but that's what they call older. Yes, basically anybody that's older than you. That's not your grandparent is Called auntie or uncle if it's if it's a man They were calling him uncle on the on the train uncle. You can sit here. I Just love it. I love I love how I wish I wish that More Western audiences had the patience. Yeah for for this kind. I really I think they do I think they're just not shown it because executives or producers or or not You know, they're very risk-adverse Yeah, and you'll like it's risky to like, oh, well get to the action get to the thing You know get to the love story immediately. We need the meat. Cute now Yeah, exactly so much air around everything they do That's where the beauty is and I even think of like Daniel was on the set in In Italy and I visit him The director were cut like as soon as the last line was done and I was in video village and I was like I Wish they had just like let that go a little bit. Yeah, cuz that's that's where the fun is, you know That's magic and kind of happen is like you can tell that like There were probably moments that your phone like that they found with your phone where It was not scripted. It was just him reacting very, you know calmly in the moment And like just every time you would get a letter in the cafeteria and look around like every single time it Like the simplicity of that but the kind of how he knows it's a running thing that goes it's it's such a I feel like actors at that age and at that experience level have this really beautiful way of just being present and being themselves in the Moment, but also have like a bird's-eye view of all the pieces around them and knowing how to fit in to The larger picture. Yeah, absolutely. Would y'all be interested in watching more Indian cinema? I've told you yeah, please send me as much right because I'm always looking for any cinema that is not of These parts like there's a film called There's actually a film we just watched it's a Molly Allen film It's called a great Indian kitchen if you want to be pissed off Watch that film.  It's a fantastic film. I'll send it to you But it's it's one of those things just could know just coming from a Western mindset and what this woman It's not what happens in all of Kerala or whatever, but this specific region where the men And they what they do is very religion-based And so it's very traditional and so what they put this woman through with her You know menstrual cycle what they put her through with cleaning up and and cooking and oh, it's just Is the film critiquing that or it's just kind of showing it But it's it's very delicate like it. I think I think the film could be a silent film almost because they're just very little dialogue I'll send it to you. It's a fantastic film, but it's one of those that will absolutely make you incredibly mad It made me mad Good Thank you for letting me know your thoughts I'm sure people will appreciate it Do you think this is a because I I did this because I did this with another friend of mine who had never seen at the time Another Indian film and he loved it as well Do you think this is a good introduction for a lot of? Americans in terms of being introduced to a different cultures film. Yeah, I'm hundred percent. I think so it's such a beautiful It's it's simple, but it has themes that are universal You know, it's a romance essentially and it's I mean it shouldn't be this way But it it has a feel to it when you first turn it on that it's like a very high-budget Hollywood American film, you know Yeah, it's I I'm I feel the same about there's a great Iranian film name filmmaker named ask our Farhadi who made film called a separation in the past and a bunch of stuff and I It's all the same, right? It's like it's it's a completely different culture, but the themes are universal And I think that films like this specifically It's it's such a good relay into that because you're It kind of sets you down like a like a feather almost like you're kind of like into the story very softly And I think it's great because then people go like oh, I can't be patient and the reward is Really soul-fulfilling in a different way then But it also had enough cultural difference laced in that it made me I Mean But I also like it it made me more curious about Indian culture. Yeah. Yeah, we don't understand or no yet And this one was a I picked this specifically because I think it is a good segue into it because there's some films that you can watch That will be extremely cultural but this one I felt like it was a little more of a Elegant segue from a Western point of view into what Indian cinema has to offer and there's a lot of it So I'm glad you guys liked it. Yeah, man. Thank you So would you be interested in watching more Indian cinema after this? Yes, and I And I did like right after I started looking yeah, you're watching one that I've yet to see so you're gonna have to Let me know how it is. I have like a list kind of because it gave you like what you want to watch No, what similar movies? Photograph, I don't know. Did you see photograph? I have not seen photograph yet. See same director Yeah, well, yeah, I I've heard about it Okay, that looked interesting because it looked like another romantic kind of movie So I wanted to watch that but then I wanted to watch Yeah, and this is just this is this is just Hindi as well. So this is a this is a Hindi film There's many different other industries other languages because as as I've told I think I told you before there's Yeah, a bunch of different languages than India. So there's other industries Tolugu, Tamil, Malayalam Hindi then there's Assamese, Gujarati, Punjabi Yeah, there's there's a bunch of and they're all industries in the same country that that make that make film So before you watch anything ask me first in case I have you come on and do another Do another review Because I can recommend you stuff But also I can recommend you to stay away from certain things that even we didn't understand And get I really I'm really getting into any medium after I watch that. I'll ask you did you Should I watch that Shakespeare one you were telling me about you don't watch that yet, but I'll I'll ask Oh, I know you like Shakespeare. So that's not yet earphones in that one He is in that one, but yeah, wait Well, he this this director actually has The director of that is names for Shaw-barred wash he that Heather is Hamlin Hey, I'm okay, but he's also got baby Shakespeare. Yeah, he's also got Omkara, which is Othello and then he's got McBool, which is Macbeth So he did basically like a trilogy of Shakespeare essentially, but now I get why you got so into because it's It's well, it just opens up like a whole nother Culture and after a while you get and I love movies and I still watch the movies that come out But it's the same movies Yeah, so like it just introduced an entire world to us of different artists and and and there's it's not all great But a lot of it is great just like it just just like here We have Dwayne the Rock Johnson movies and then we have you know good movies So it's the exact same Like you I mean we both grew up watching the base of the same movies and one of the same movies You know every actor you know Who's gonna show up and me watching a movie and the only actor I know is played bit parts and you know Slumdog Millie. Yeah, and a spider-man movie. Yeah, I Enjoyed them more because I'm not I'm not judge, you know judging what I've seen before you don't you don't know Exactly, so it was like finding out Like I don't know something new about a Love yeah, you know cuz I love movies and yeah, it just it took me back to like So when movies were we're simple and not just entertaining. Yeah, and I felt like this me back to Let's just make a movie about people. Yeah well, we We indoctrinated another one guys, so Oh Hopefully we'll see you back Zach to watch another family and you're gonna have to let me know how Hindi medium is Yeah, I'll definitely finish it. Um, I had to watch my movie like four o'clock in the morning because That's what happens when you have kids. They run the house and I have to sneak away to watch my own movie on my phone That sounds wrong Yeah, no, it's watching any Nice


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here we go today's show is going to be interesting so last night last night we let the liquor talk is it liquor alcohol talk whiskey talk i don't know that song is just popping in my head i did not let any liquor talk last night because i did not have any liquor last night but before i was diverted here's what i was going to say last night there was so much hail and lightning and thunder i i think i was up all night oh my gosh so this should be a pretty goofy show it's all i wanted to say goofy show due to the weather last night okay if anybody else was experiencing crazy crazy weather yesterday last night all night long let me know all righty couple very quick announcements for everybody please do not get scammed i will never reach out to you on social media if you want a reading you reach out to me on my website t o n i g dot i n f oh okay that's done next um uh next is um it's gonna be it's gonna be an hour folks it's gonna be quite an hour okay um i want to say hi to everybody um 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song that is your song today nancy um i know jenna vive is listening and amy may is listening cindy i love you so much i hope all is going well jessica i know you're gonna listen later hey jess what's up um okay i think fawn hey fawn i think i have everybody guys today's tiktok healing is enjoying life is that what it is being able to enjoy life yeah so go over to tiktok after the show and get that clearing and healing to be able to enjoy life in all of its moments uh you will it will not disappoint i hope i hope it won't disappoint me maybe i don't think it will i won't um let somebody ask me what this is and it's a smoothie it it is not a chocolate shake i i wish it was a chocolate shake it's not it's a smoothie with um cacao in it so yeah smoothie yes um we are going to go and start taking callers i want to say a few more songs that were coming through throughout the day today and yesterday the first song and again now one song can be for more than one person the songs can answer a question that you've been um needing an answer to they can it can be a song between you and another person or song this person loved or you loved however the song works for you if it rings a bell it rings a bell which brings us to the first song you can ring my bell ring my bell do okay i clearly yeah my being on tune in tune whatever i don't even know okay and the next one is um say say say what you want but don't play games with my affection okay i think that's how the words go yeah um and then the next song is for tommy or from tommy i hear tommy and then the song i hear is that song we don't need no education we don't need no thought control dark sarcasm is that how that is that what they say in the classroom hey teachers leave those kids alone all in all it's another brick in the wall oh my god tommy made me go like all all the way through with that song oh my oh my um so i think that's gonna whoever that is for they are going to know um the next one okay now i'm going to do the names of the people that i'm hearing the first name i'm hearing is um again i'm hearing the name um okay i'm hearing all these names and i'm i'm trying to make sure they're not names that i'm hearing about or for me and therefore you guys so the first um i got it okay um you know i'm gonna come back to names later on because that is not i'm not getting the the uh i'm getting names that i feel like are not for you guys so we're gonna go to callers whoo okay if you are joining us live in the chat you can ask a question i'll be happy to answer that question for you um and and yes happy birthday and happy birthday and birthday is tomorrow happy birthday sweetie um hey emily emily emily just uh came on to the show welcome to the show emily um what i can say her question is will i work soon if you want to i know that sounds crazy and i know that you would think that you know she probably really wants to but what i'm hearing is if you want to i'm hearing um and it depends on what type of position you're going to take or willing to take emily i'm gonna come back to that because the people who have been holding for the calls have been holding quite some time and i i want to be able to get to them so the first caller is 205 205 what's your name and where are you calling from sonny i'm under the weather or just um so much poly here i'm calling from alexander so i kind of feeling fine this is but thank you so much for taking my call you you had me laughing sonny with the song you were doing a better world my question i'm sitting around family my elderly uncle who is um he's um a veteran and uh he has a fiduciary who handles his estate and his finances he was removed from his home that he purchased and paid all of him um on the 17th of February because the family member that lives in that home moved a lot of people in and so once he got went to the fiduciary and you know others they said hey look no this is his home you can't move all these people in we're giving you like a 30 day notice to get all these people out of his house but we're removing him you know and and then there was a little bit more that went with it with them removed because this is like a second complaint um so um they are leading this um the family is just kind of we're sitting making sure that hey you know you guys think y'all gonna take care of it so they're they've told the family member that's in the house not only get the people out you know in 30 days which has passed but that my uncle is not coming back to the house until you know the people are gotta take it only you know until the people are out in 30 days and if you don't get them out you're gonna leave with them which that time has passed too uh because they gave that family number so i'm gonna know do you see when this gotta come to a conclusion where my uncle can go back in his home this is the first time in 70 some years you know that my uncle has had to leave a home ahead okay you know it's just ridiculous that has come to this it is i'm so sorry that it has come to this i really it really hits me when family members take advantage of a family member like this especially somebody who's a little older and they just go in and take over and that is um that's some real there are a lot of words coming out that are not good words on this subject but what i'm hearing is two things i'm hearing two time frames i'm hearing a month and a half and i'm hearing june what might have to happen i don't know if a formal um eviction has started but you might have to start the proceedings for a formal eviction to get this all of these people out um and shame on them shame on them and once you do that and it's actually been a month and a half i'm sorry for interrupting it i'm not an aviator it's been six weeks since you've been out um yeah okay so and then i i hear june very clearly so i feel like by june he will be back in the home now here's something that might be a little bit unexpected um the family and friends might have to rally to go in and kind of clean up or repair whatever these other people do on their way out i feel like you're going to need to you know how some people leave in a fit that's all i can just hear is they're going to leave in a fit and they might leave things not very well taken care of so people family other family members might have to go in and clean up the home before your uncle gets back in it and you're going to have to check your uncles um somebody needs to go to the somebody needs to check all of your uncle's accounts where his money is going where um they're gonna somebody's going to have to get a hold of your uncle's finances and talk with your uncle about his finances and where they should be and what they should be and make sure the deed of the home i'm just getting there's paperwork that these people tried to change whether that means putting themselves on certain accounts or the the the deed or the title for the home or whatever it is there has to be people other family different family members have to double down and check on this because i feel like there's been a lot of manipulation and taking control of trying to take control of or spend or live off of your uncle in one way or another probably in in a couple of different ways where your uncle is um like maybe they got a hold of his checkbook and and wrote wrote out some checks um or whatever it is but double check all of his accounts make sure you know all of his accounts and listen if they're living there and your uncle still gets everything you know snail mail let's just call it they have all the account numbers for everything so you're gonna want to just make sure everything is protected and safe and even do like a credit report check for your uncle making sure new credit cards weren't opened up because that's i'm seeing something with the credit report that something shows up that your uncle just maybe didn't do um somebody else may have done it so this is a good way for you to be very pro you and the rest of the family to be very proactive and what i'm hearing and for what it's worth you guys get to choose how you handle every situation with all of your family members if they did do some of these things like spend his money open accounts take money out of his accounts um it's okay to prosecute it's okay to prosecute if he does have a veteran's fiduciary if he has a fiduciary over the state and his finances so they the veterans affairs have the you know um the big part um my brother with over so security but the bigger money veterans affairs is about is over that so is that so we need to check also even though he has a fiduciary do we need to still check into that money that they have been handling absolutely i would i'm just hearing you need to check all the accounts okay just check all the accounts because and his one of the ways you can find out if they opened like let's just say a credit card in his name is by checking his credit report that will show up right away yeah so that's what i'm hearing you because if you can't get money this way you might be able to get it this way or they might have had him take out a second mortgage or a reverse mortgage or something like that so double check all of those things because i just feel like they were trying not only to live there but also to get money and these are the things or the ways that you can check to make sure if they did this or not and just to protect all of your uncle's assets and money and so on and so forth so that's what i have for you love i hope this was really helpful also i would have somebody who's closer and a male go into the house and if there are still any valuables in the house just kind of pack them up and pull them out so these people don't move out with them okay love okay thank you it was very helpful thank you so much Tony i love you many blessings i look forward to speaking with you again thank you so much you are so welcome i love you too and i hope you feel better very very soon my love thank you so much thank you you're welcome if you'd like to call into the show the numbers eight four five two seven seven nine one three one i'm gonna go to the next caller three one two three one two what's your name and where are you calling from hello tony my name is brian and i'm calling from chicago how you doing today hey brian i'm doing well how are you today i'm doing well thank you so much for taking my call i was calling you today because i said well within the last couple of weeks i've been contemplating uh switching roles on being a teacher and going back to school to get credentials and becoming a school psychologist now i've been working as a teacher for the last 15 years often known um and i'm also working uh leadership but leadership just really hasn't worked for me and i received less doors so i'm just looking for something that would give me more fulfillment and stability and i just want to know where do you see me going in that direction absolutely i feel like going back to school is an amazing move you should do it become a psychologist don't worry about being a school psychologist go one step like just make sure you're being all encompassing in the area you're going into don't lock yourself into one area is what i'm hearing so if you're going back to school to become a psychologist don't lock it into school psychologists um and i'm going to tell you right now psychologists like psychiatrists they're they are in such demand um people are having to wait weeks if not months to get appointments with them so i feel like that's that's a very very powerful move and if you do want to work with a certain age group go for pediatric or child psychology rather than school psychology i'm just hearing um go into a bigger room like you're opening that door don't go into this limited um space make sure you're giving yourself a lot of space to move once you do this i hope that makes sense to you oh you okay excellent excellent i'm so grateful for that and you know uh brian as soon as you came on i heard this song and it's coming from a family member who's uh to the right of me and um i'm just going to sing the first line everybody who knows will know from the window to the wall till sweat dropped down those yes that song is coming on so whoever this guy there's somebody on the other side that thinks they are hella funny um bringing that song to you um whoever that is um what a from the window to the wall till sweat dropped down these cheap cheap cheap um i'm trying to think of the next verse but they just keep doing that verse over and over and over again i'm trying to like push them into the next line of the song okay i know you know the song though right brian i do okay now the family members that are here the most important thing they want to say to you is do not um i this is going to sound like an odd message but it makes perfect sense to me do not concede do not constrict yourself and go for the gusto don't don't um i don't want to say it like that say it a different way they're saying go all the way like whatever your next step is make it the most powerful step it can be um i know that the message i gave you about um like if you're going to go for psychology go make it all encompassing or as encompassing as possible that is coming from from your your family members here from the other side and i know it's family it's definitely family members um and they're saying uh just just go take it as far as you can um so that if you want to have options later you will have those options okay excellent thank you so much for calling in it's wonderful to talk with you and i hope this was helpful for you i'm looking forward to speaking to you the next time thank you so much absolutely thank you so much thank you okay you guys i'm getting ready to do i'm gonna post a weekend show later on today i think it's gonna end up being for saturday evening because everybody on the chat is saying saturday evening would be the best time so that's probably when i'm gonna do this show um is saturday evening i guess who won't be going out again this weekend i cracked myself up okay emily wants to know um so emily i'm trying to get into more into the energy of your question about work emily if you can call in<PHONE_NUMBER> that would be amazing hit the one and i will um i will definitely we will go over this question i do feel like you are going to get work soon i feel like it might not be exactly what you think it's going to be you have to be very very open to all possibilities and doing something possibly new okay that's what i'm gonna say for now i'm going to go to 347 347 what's your name where you're calling from hello hi there hi how are you i'm good i'm good how can i help you love um i think i am going to be starting a new position soon which is really good and um um i think it's going to be of like hybrids where you kind of like go into office and you can work remote um so with that because i was originally planning on moving a little bit away from where i'm currently moving and um i'm just wondering about getting a place kind of like um maybe on outskirts because where i'm at it's kind of it's pretty expensive but i'm going to be making a decent amount of money but you still don't want to be paying like 40 000 dollars or more i'm right you know right okay so i do feel like it's wondering yeah go ahead love go ahead oh no no i was just think wondering about about um i guess getting a place and looking like in the town i'm in or near the town i'm in okay it's going to be near the town you're in it's going to be reasonable it's going to be it's not what you think it's going to be okay so here's what i'm hearing okay yeah okay so i'm hearing shabby chic so to me what i'm kind of seeing and hearing i'm going to try to describe it to you and i might i might not describe it perfectly it might be like not brand new and up to date with everything but i feel like once you get in there and you really put all your touches on it it's going to make it look really like what's old what's what's old is new again or something like that so for example you find this perfect place with this perfect rent but it hasn't been remodeled in a minute you go in and you don't have to remodel it but you can your things and your little touches really update it if that makes sense i love you so stinking much i do i love you so much i want to thank jennivy again for everything that she's done for me over the past couple of days jennivy is going to be on my show next week she's traveling today so she couldn't come on today but jennivy thank you so very much and next week she and i will talk about her amazing abilities that she has had since childhood okay i will be back on saturday or sunday or saturday and sunday we'll see what happens through the weekend i love you all so much thank you thank you thank you for being here with me thank you