Yeah, good morning. I hope you are up and running and mentally online This next stroke is something that touches my heart very deep. Sorry for that. It is about a person who who followed her heart in two ways one is Realizing being transgender the other one has political influences and leaking documents and Taking all the risks Paying a very high price and she did what she had to do so this talk is about her and It's part of a term our panel today concerns an honorary member of the CCC Who is imprisoned right now by the US military at in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas? Her name is Chelsea Manning She's a young trans u.s. Army whistleblower convicted to 35 years in prison in the summer of 2013 for disclosing documents to a media organization Many of the victims of crimes and wrongdoing revealed in the documents that Manning disclosed are not members of a Western electorate Her revelations do not affect the bottom lines of Silicon Valley tech firms But they created the age that we live in and had impact from Tunisia to Berlin Despite however effective u.s. Propaganda has been concerning Manning and it has been very effective The US Department of Defense's own comprehensive review of every single document released by her determined the disclosures to be low to moderate risk The allegations that she dumped documents Irresponsibly is false She was convicted under the espionage and the computer fraud abuse acts for portions of 240 documents a significant portion of those are unclassified Over half a million u.s. Government employees and federal contractors had access to the documents that Manning released One of the documents that put Manning away in prison for 35 years relates to malaria updates in Kingston, Jamaica Four years later. No one has been harmed Her releases revealed or confirmed mass civilian casualties by us forces in Afghanistan us complicity in the torture of detainees by Iraqi security forces the Existence of more children than we knew being held An imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay Prison Camp the training of death squads in Bangladesh by the UK and so much more Manning trusted us with her life when she appealed to the public conscience and she also created her own hope Our own lives. I believe depend on the hope that we create for her I'm very honored today to be able to discuss her to pending legal matters With her attorneys and they're gonna come up on Skype now hopefully Nancy Hollander who is currently Coming back to us is a prominent American criminal defense attorney who specializes in national security cases She represents prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay and has argued before the Supreme Court in the United States Ahmed Gapur is a renowned American law professor who specializes in the intersection of technology and national security He directs a litigation clinic at UC Hastings that addresses Constitutional issues that arise from espionage counter-terrorism and computer hacking cases Gapur is also the attorney to the imprisoned American journalist Barrett Brown currently awaiting sentencing in Texas January 22nd. Everyone should make sure to show their support Chase Stronzio is a staff attorney with the ACLU LGBT and AIDS project He specializes in the litigation of incarcerated trans people like Chelsea Manning I am I see that Nancy is is having a bit of a technical difficulty. So Ahmed. I'm gonna actually Chase, I'm gonna actually ask you can you explain what it means to say that Manning is trans and that she's suing the Department of Defense To get adequate medical treatment So we can't hear you. We can't hear you. So let's figure out what's going on with that Can you hear us? Oh God I That's Lassos, I Look, I'll show you this. It's called awesome Skype. Can you say something? Can you say something now? Can you say something please? Thank God Can you hear Chase? I can hear Chase Chase. Please. Tell us what does it mean when Manning says that she's a trans She's trans and that she's suing the Department of Defense from adequate medical care So Chelsea has been in her entire life It means that even though she was assigned the sex of male at birth that she has been always a female and that She has a female gender identity and the incongruence between her male Assign sex at birth and her female gender identity has caused her significant distress and continues to cause her significant distress and the condition the medical condition that she has been diagnosed with is called gender dysphoria and Even though this is a widely recognized medical condition with accepted standards of care the military has continued and Persist on not recognizing that Chelsea's need for treatment now the military first diagnosed her with gender dysphoria in 2010 and has since diagnosed her over seven times with gender dysphoria so when the day after she was sentenced and she came out publicly as transgender and Indicated that she would be requesting treatment for gender dysphoria Even though this was her first big public announcement about this the military had known for over three years that she was transgender Um, sorry some distractions here, but she She so so when she arrived at Fort Leavenworth in in Kansas The first thing she did was request treatment for gender dysphoria and that included for her access to hormone therapy to bring her body into alignment with her female gender and Access to the ability to grow her hair and and dress and and groom in accordance with female grooming standards Now the military from that day forward took the position that they would not treat her gender dysphoria Despite the fact that courts in the United States have continually held that failure to treat gender dysphoria is a violation of The right of prisoners to be free from cruel and unusual punishment It was clear from the start that the military was going to take a position one that we consider to be unconstitutional That they would not provide Chelsea with treatment even though they knew for you know At this point over four years that she had this medical condition and she Continued to fight for her treatment the first thing she did when she arrived at Leavenworth is asked for treatment We were in touch with her from the from the very beginning upon her arrival She filed grievances. She did everything in her power to try to get the treatment initiated something that she considered to be central to her survival while she served her 35 year sentence and something that you know In her words was the single most important thing to her even more so than her appeal beginning from the day she was sentenced and she Continued to fight for it and when it was clear that the military was not going to budge They were not going to take her medical condition seriously She reached out to the ACLU and we decided that we would need to formally represent her in a lawsuit against the Department of Defense So we you know Chelsea initiated the the contact and we began the preparation to file a lawsuit and we are now suing the Department of Defense including officials from Hegel to the That the individuals who are administering for medical care at Fort Leavenworth Requesting that she be provided with medically necessary treatment in accordance with the the Army's obligation under the Constitution Can you can you help educate? Can you help educate us? How does Manning wish to be represented? How does she wish to be referred to? Can you just help clarify that for the public because there seems to be a bit of confusion generally? Yeah, I think the most important thing from Chelsea's perspective And this has been true for a very long time is that she is a woman and and sort of recognizing that core part of identity Her identity which is as fundamental as anyone's gender is to them as a woman is absolutely critical to her survival I mean she's looking at being incarcerated now for decades potentially and She you know every time her picture or any likeness of her is presented in as male or anytime anyone refers to her by her former name or with male pronouns It's it's a further sort of erasure of who she is as at her core And I think I there was a lot of reports when she was During her her court martial about one of her greatest fears when she was arrested was that for the rest of Her life images of her as a boy would be circulated globally And that is absolutely something that just pains her and causes her so much distress And I think what we can do to honor her is continue to recognize her as the woman that she is and make sure that our narratives of her Centralized that part of her identity Thank you for telling us. Thank you for telling us that all right Ahmed you are going to help us to understand I just spent a month traveling through Spain with amnesty trying to raise awareness about Manning's trial The unfair nature of her trial the the prejudicial. Oh, thank you the the fact that she was convicted to 35 you 35 years in prison for Essentially leaking low-level battlefield reports that over half a million u.s. government employees had access to Talk to me about the use of the espionage act in political persecutions and Prosecutions in the United States generally speaking So I think thanks to begin with thanks for having us and I'm gonna try to talk as slow as possible just because Nancy See her trying to connect every once in a while and she'd kill me if I said something wrong But let me just let me just talk about what the espionage act is supposed to do in very broad terms The espionage act is supposed to punish folks for spying for the enemy for selling state secrets for personal gain For trying to undermine the democratic fabric that enables our way of life. Now I will pass it along to Nancy Oh We're so glad you're here Nancy Thank you Sorry something happened By a place that's that's fine. I meant was just talking to us generally about the espionage act and how it's used in political prosecutions Good It's supposed to be used for so now I'm handing it off to you, Nancy Well what it's supposed to be used for I don't know how far you got but it was obviously intended for spies It was written during World War one. Maybe Ahmed already told you that It was a bad law when it began and it's a worse law now The problem the main problem with the espionage act is not so much the act if you read it but the way the courts have interpreted it and the way the courts have interpreted it not just in Chelsea Manning's case but in many previous cases is That the crime is committed when one discloses intends to disclose National security information So it doesn't have to hurt the United States. It doesn't have to aid a foreign country It certainly doesn't have to aid an enemy It just is the act of disclosure So it becomes what we call a strict liability crime And there doesn't have to be any bad intent There are two problems with this going in two directions. Obviously, it means that anyone there is no Defense for public interest. There's no defense for Telling the public something the public needs to know So there's no way an insider Can ever disclose anything without getting caught up in this act If the government decides that it's a national security Issue or it discloses national security information. That's much broader than just classified information It's whatever the government decides at that time is national security information. And I want to give you an example That is just recently happened. There were five people from Guantanamo who were exchanged for a U.S. Prisoner We were told In the world that these particular five men who were supposedly members of the Taliban could never leave Guantanamo they were what's known as forever prisoners because national security would be harmed if they were ever released And then all of a sudden they're released and national security is okay So it's that's a moving target and you never know where it is. So the person Is caught up in that and that's what makes this Law so dangerous. It's so broad from both directions It's unconstitutional. It's a violation of free speech and We have to stop it. That's the bottom line on the espionage act Almey, is there anything you want to add on that? Well, um, I would just add just underscore the the potential for abuse here And and essentially the whole purpose of the laws is to be written in such a way that It doesn't allow the government to do exactly what Nancy is is saying that they're doing and and And the espionage act is not supposed to be used as as a vehicle for retaliation against whistleblowers Of course It doesn't stop there, right? The obama administration what what they've done is systematized the criminalization of whistleblowers and I don't say that merely because only About a dozen people in american history have been charged with espionage for leaking classified information And seven or eight of them under the brock obama administration Um, I say that because most recently the administration has brought them into the long war And what I mean by that is that the the obama administration has designated a new national security threat the insider threat And categorizing it as a threat Means that you now got a broad line of power to play around with and the same way you can cast a Wide net to find the next terror threat The uh, government will do the same to prevent the next disclosure to prevent the next public embarrassment And because we can't tail every government employee out there. We'll just put pressure on journalists and, um Lee and and generally transfer privacy and and transparency advocates Advocates and that's why there's a push uh to get congress to pass right legislation amending the espionage act and allowing the Defenses such as public accountability and necessity but as things stand um, we're basically screwed and The obama legacy will forever be known as the presidency of secrecy. I won't ask I want to talk to you about what kind of Recourse manning has I mean she's been convicted to 35 years. She's currently being held in a military prison in kansas What kind of recourse does she have at this point? Well, of course she can always ask for a pardon. We'll continue to always do that She has parole uh possibility in about I think it's now about six or seven years And of course we will do that but the main focus for me and for my partner vince ward and The lawyers and the students afmed students who are working with us and her detailed counsel is her appeal The the appeal is to the court of appeals for the army Then there's another appeal to the court of appeals to the forces And then there's an appeal to the us supreme court and then we start actually the habeas petition But our focus on first court Is to raise every issue espionage is only one of them that we believe has merit And we will be writing briefs. We're reading the transcript. This is the longest transcript in military history. So i'm told It's huge. It's 111 volumes each one is 330 pages So it is a huge record. It's going to take us time to get it all read all the exhibits some of it's classified Classified we have to go to washington to read But that's our real focus is to write the very best appeal To argue i'll be arguing this case to argue this case and convince the judges that chelsea did not receive a fair trial Which she clearly didn't because of the espionage act and because of a host of other reasons Do you have i mean what are some possible appellate issues other than the espionage act? Well, some of the obvious ones are the pretrial confinement issues um, the the u.n. Rapporteur Considered some of her pretrial confinement to actually rise to the level of torture. It was clearly Cruel and inhumane treatment the way she was treated at kwantico Excuse me and in kuwait There was one point where she was forced to stand naked at attention. There was no purpose to that Other than to demean her um She was put on suicide watch when she clearly was not a suicide Risk and the psychiatrists kept saying that but the prison did it. That's a big issue There's a speedy trial issue. Did it take too long to have her trial? This is a bigger issue actually in the military and the law is stronger for the defendant in the military Than it is in our federal courts and that's probably because people move around a lot in the military But there are some military laws that are Helpful to her in that argument and there are other issues. There was not she didn't have witnesses. She should have had um, the military gets to decide which witnesses Are necessary and relevant and the prosecution even gets to chime in on that which Finds somewhat absurd, but that's the way they do it in the military. So there were Lots of witnesses she didn't get to have That's a big issue. There are there were discovery issues There are issues of what was the value of What she took was it under a thousand dollars or over a thousand dollars and how did they value it and all of these things Added up to charges That added up to time. So we have a lot of issues Um and and others then we'll be deciding which ones are the ones that we want to include in our brief And that'll happen as we go along Ahmed tell me why did you You know what brought you to this case? Uh, you the uc pa your the litigation clinic that you direct at uc hastings is actually now working with the defense The appellate attorneys Tell me how you came to this case and why you think it's important Um, well, I came I came to the case obviously everybody knows about this case. Um, and uh, Nancy and I have worked together I can't say how long it would reveal how young I am but um for years and It really is a it's a great case for students because it's an appeal and we can really digest all the issues um, it's also uh The kind of case that encompasses everything that the clinic does and and the clinic at uc hastings um, basically It's meant to to focus on the future of security, which is technology in the future of technology Which is security and we see it the first real case to to encompass all that in the united states. I think is is chelsea's case um, the first real broad A dragnet type of investigation And um to to to to follow up on that is the wiki leaks investigation. Um, so hopefully we'll be doing some work on that too Um, I think this is probably one of the most important cases around right now period um for a vast number of reasons not only because of the the unconstitutionality the application of the espionage act um, but also because of the um, the sort of the sort of message that it was meant to send To folks like edwards snowden, you know and and luckily that message fell on deaf ears Chase I wanted to ask you, you know, nancy was talking about manning's pretrial treatment at quantico And in the public record there is examples of prison officials referring to her underwear that they just took from her as panties um homophobia certainly transphobia In your opinion, did manning being transgendered or did transphobia in general impact her court marshal and how so if it did? Well, I think first of all the the the mistreatment of detainees and prisoners by the united states government is certainly not limited to transgender individuals, but I think transgender individuals in custody do experience particular hardships in particular cruelty that I think manning herself was subjected to now Again, even though we didn't know publicly or most people didn't know that manning was transgender Until after her sentencing the military did know as far back as 2010 and did know through her entire court marshal And so I think this affected her in a number of ways the first of which was that she was forced to really Minimize a critical part of her identity for a long period of time that had incredible Challenges for her that created a significant amount of distress through the court marshal Which just impacted her ability to continue to be an advocate for herself Now that's not to say that she wasn't an incredible advocate and did not survive unbelievably horrific conditions But she did and then the other way is of course that the the military used that It is to to further dehumanize her and to mock her and to belittle her in what were already horrific conditions And I think this is something that transgender people in prison and you know outside of custody experience all the time And this was something that she'll see herself experience Throughout the horrible times that she was detained Particularly at quantico and I think what's important to remember is that you know she This part of her identity was so important and that she has taken on Unbelievable risk in continuing to fight for her fair treatment as a transgender person In a context in an environment where transgender people are not taken seriously and as she fights her appeal The fact that she is willing to sort of stand up for transgender people and put herself out there Is an incredible testament on top of everything else that she has done to the kind of person that she is I just want to interject here. I have never seen a more earnest and thoughtful and reasoned person Under that amount of stress. I mean, she's an extraordinary individual and she deserves every person's support I wanted to talk to you. I met about Your other client barrett brown barrett wasn't charged with the cfa a that sorry the computer fraud and abuse act Like manning but he was charged sort of similarly in the sense of with hacking statutes that sort of ended up being Part of a larger dragnet. Can you talk to me?  So the computer fraud and abuse act is the federal anti hacking law Amongst other things the law criminalizes unauthorized access of the computer Of course, the law doesn't explain what without authorization means So initially the purpose while initially the purpose was to combat cyber terrorism, believe it or not Which is the hacking of computers of the federal government As the way of things go the criminal conduct covered by the statute has brought in significantly and so what we have now is a cfa or the computer fraud and abuse act where creative prosecutors Can take advantage of the confusion and bring criminal charges that aren't really about hacking a computer at all Um That essentially criminalized behavior that prosecutors don't like so for example Um, the government has claimed that violating a private agreement or corporate policy amounts to a hacking violate or a cfa violations In the manning case the government essentially argued that writing a script To do something efficiently was exceeding authorized access in this case the script or the program was We'll get um, and this shouldn't be the case so Of course, there's a there's a joke about the military being inefficient in there, but i'm not going to make it But compounding the problem is the sentencing issues with the computer fraud and abuse act because You can get anywhere the prosecutors can seek anywhere between five and ten in 20 years and even life Depending on the amount of damage or financial, uh loss that was caused Which of course is disastrous As for barrett's case, so barrett was not a hacker at all. He has absolutely no computer skills Everybody in the world knows that. Um, he was a journalist, uh, that happened to cover You know what one might call the accidental cyber cyber war between the u.s. Government and and anonymous Of course, there was no such war and there is no such group as anonymous It's just a collective as opposed to you know, like the taliban or something so by way of background At at the time of the, uh, conduct that was alleged. She'd found a collaborative web publication called project p.m Project p.m's purpose was to bring people together To conduct research on publicly available materials that were put forth into the public sphere by whistleblowers leakers hackers and so on Project p.m's reports came to focus on the military and intelligence contracting industry in december of 2011 About 5,000 emails from strapped for global intelligence were exfiltrated by Jeremy Hammond amongst others And by others i mean including the fbi because sabu was involved and he was an fbi informant who essentially ran Many of those operations, but that's a whole other story So the files contained revelations about close and inappropriate ties between the government security agencies and private, uh contractors The emails i should also mention are available now, um on wiki leaks So amongst the millions of strapped for files were data containing credit card Informations and other security codes part of the vast trove of the internal company documents that strapped for of course forgot to encrypt the credit card data was no interest to bear it because That's not really what he's into but it was of great interest to the government because in december of 2012 He was charged with 12 counts related to identity theft I should mention that the computer fraud and abuse act initially was called Something like the computer fraud and identity theft act or something it it it essentially Incorporated the the two statutes that come before it Um, and they were passed around the same time So it is a hacking violation that he was initially charged with He was charged with 12 counts related to identity theft for cutting and pasting a hyperlink that led to the uh um, the public website that contained a gzif file um Containing that the dump of the hack um Of course since then we've challenged the charges on grounds that linking to information That is already in the public sphere is nothing more than pure news gathering activity And that the government in essence was criminalizing journalism Two days after we filed our motion to dismiss the government On their own dismissed 11 out of the 12 charges And he will he he was to be sentenced a few days ago, but the judge has delayed sentencing for a month It's a very very long way to describe an even longer case has been going on forever In manning's case you you had someone who used w get to download 116 diplomatic cables And according i'm not a lawyer, but according to my observation in the trial the the judge appeared to It was difficult to sort of know exactly what her sort of legal thought was because she didn't produce what was called a special findings But from her pre-trial order, she appeared to sort of rule that it was because Manning exceeded her Violated her terms of service for the dod network that the department of defense network by using w get that she also violated her Security clearance and she there was an automated sort of process of using w get to download 116 cables It seems to me though that the government was trying to sort of fabricate a hacking charge where it didn't exist Is the cfa always used To prosecute hackers or to i'm sorry The act of hacking or is it used actually to prosecute publication or disclosure? I mean that's a that's a really Good question and the problem is it it all turns on the confusion so whenever the government has a statute or a law that contains a confusing term or A confusing sort of idea or deals with some sort of confusing or difficult or technical concept like computers They can get really creative and they can tell a judge. Well, you know, this thing called would get or we get or w get is really an automated process to exfiltrate information from a server and it's not it's just a way to Automate it's like a script that automates a task of go and collect something and come back And it's completely legal But you know when you put that kind of narrative in front of a judge That was born before can the idea of a computer ever existed You you get into situations where there's unfortunate Reliance just on on whatever the assertions are On the flip side and this isn't necessarily talking about the man in case but generally I mean we see these kind of things in all all types of cases dealing with hacking and and sort of technical crimes But also in the national security crimes with terrorism because you just call somebody, you know, my name's ahma That doesn't make me a terrorist But you know if you all of a sudden Parse the conversation I had with my parents where I said a whole bunch of stuff in arabic And then you put that for a judge and he said well judged these words in arabic or you know code And neither the judge or the prosecutor or the or the fbi understand what any of this stuff means The next thing you know is you've got a conviction and it's strange that you see these parallels with with the hacking cases I would I would like to give the audience a lot of time to ask questions So you should start lining up now. I just wanted to give you a heads up Because a lot of people have lots of questions about the manning trial and there's a lot of Things they need to to know about it. So go ahead and do that. I wanted to ask Chase the acl you actually pays for your representation of her and all the costs associated with her case against the department of defense Is that correct? That's correct. Okay. Um, how can people support manning in her suit against the do d So I think one of the critical ways and you know, I'm saying the same thing over and over again here But one of the critical ways to support shelsey I think in general is to continue to tell her story publicly as much as possible and to do so Centralizing the fact that she is chelsea that she is a woman and is sort of part of her narrative because we really don't want that to Be lost so that's something that's just generally an important way to support her and sort of continue to give her the hope and the You know the optimism that she needs to continue to fight this for a long potentially a long time Now the other thing that people can do is to sort of organize campaigns and to continue to call to call on the department of defense And the new secretary of defense when when that person is confirmed To to provide chelsea with the treatment that she needs now this There's nothing stopping the do d and the officials at leavenworth from treating her They know that they should they know it's consistent with medical standards But it's essentially a political issue that they don't want to Give in to her need for treatment in part because people They don't think transgender people are legitimate and they don't take gender dysphoria seriously But also in part because they don't like chelsea and I think we need to continue to call on them And show that the public is going to continue to pressure them to provide her treatment. That is essentially a basic rudimentary treatment that is provided for all sorts of other conditions that would pose no cost or risk to the government But not to continue to withhold it simply because they don't take it seriously and they don't like chelsea And I think the public has a ton of power in this regard and not losing sight of that and continuing to call on the do d And on secretary of defense hagel or carter if carter is confirmed That's really going to be critical to her survival in the long term and we can't lose sight of that I Nancy I you know, I know that uh You I urge people to donate to manning to manning's legal defense fund I mean it it's very expensive to be uh prosecuted and convicted by the u.s. Government for espionage and computer fraud and abuse When you're a whistleblower and you can do that at chelsea manning dot org What can people do nancy to support manning during this appellate process whether it's by legally or financially or emotionally Oh, I agree with chase people can do all of those things we we work very hard to keep chelsea's case alive Uh, alexa you and I were just in spain for a week talking all over the country about chelsea amnesty international Made chelsea one of their main people for this year so that she received hundreds or maybe thousands of letters I was hoping there were enough letters that the prison just was overwhelmed with letters It for her and she needs she needs that support We need support obviously vince my partner vincent ward and I Are working on this case Really is starting in the next month or so practically full time and you know, we're private attorneys We can't we can't do this like the acou does for free So we need that support. This is a long case and we need to keep her case alive We need to keep reminding people that even though this is an appeal This is a a viable appeal. We have very important issues here We have issues that absolutely need to be heard by the court and chelsea needs to win And that's only going to happen If we can do our work and if people help keep this case alive around the world So that's what I encourage people to do chelsea manning.org is run by the support committee We don't have anything to do with it But they are the ones who support our work and support chelsea and make sure that she has enough money to She has newspaper articles that she can read You know, chelsea also works really hard and I don't want us to forget that she works with us on our appeal She works with chase On their case She writes regularly She's she works so hard sometimes that she's overwhelmed by the amount that we ask her to do and that the public asks her to do But it's also important for her to know that everyone is behind her Legally and morally and ethically and so I hope all of you will do that and continue to do that There's a question from number four Yeah, um, erkelder has now said that the civil rights act of 1964 That the prohibition of sex discrimination would also encompass discrimination based on gender identity Including transgender status. Do you think that will be any help to chelsea manning? that the civil rights act Now should apply Nancy, do you want to take that or does anyone want to take that or do you think chase should take that? Okay I mean, I don't I can't speak for the appeal. Although I imagine that it's probably not gonna help too much on the appeal It for purposes of her conditions of confinement case. Unfortunately Legally, it won't really Make a difference because the civil rights act won't apply to an 8th amendment claim But I think what is important about that shift from the federal government in recognizing that discrimination uh against transgender people amounts to sex discrimination for purposes of federal non-discrimination protections is that we're seeing a shift at least in sort of public understanding of the fact that it is wrong under our federal Laws at least to discriminate against people on the basis of their transgender status or their gender identity and expression So I think it shows a shift that is promising I do think generally speaking the 8th amendment has been clearly interpreted to apply to treatment for gender dysphoria So we should legally be in a very clear position. Of course, you know, the courts don't necessarily follow the law Um, when it comes to people who are disfavored and that's just the reality So I think again going back to the public support that's going to be critical just as much as the litigation is Chase you want to explain what the 8th amendment is to people who aren't americans So the 8th amendment to the united states Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment to people in in custody And and so it applies equally to military prisons and actually the uh, the military has more expansive protection So that will be relevant for purposes of the pre-trial confinement aspects of of chelsea's conditions case It won't be relevant for our case because we are filing in federal district court not in military court So the 8th amendment, uh, then the less expansive version of the 8th amendment will apply In our case, um, but that has been held to apply to medical treatment in addition to sort of physical treatment and other forms of Cruelty that are are posed on people in in custody in the united states And and it has been held almost universally by federal appellate courts to prohibit bands on treatment for gender dysphoria So that's something that we're hoping will be instrumental in forcing The court to and and then ultimately the dod to provide chelsea with the treatment that we that she needs now Hopefully it doesn't come to a court order and the government will will do the right thing before we reach A final resolution in court. So we're continuing to pressure them from all angles on that Thank you Number one, please Yeah, I was just wondering how many years do you think this will uh go Until it reaches maybe the supreme court maybe higher. So just how many years Do we you know that does this, you know, how many years are we looking forward to for the fight? This is a long fight. Um, and I can't tell you how many years I can tell you that it's more than one or two years. We have two appellate courts You know, the the process is we will file a brief sometime in 2015 Uh in the first court of appeals for them for the army Then the government will file a brief they're going to take a long time because they're going to argue that they have to read This whole transcript and that they haven't been doing anything over the last year Of course, we'll try to demand that they don't have as much time But then we get to write a third. Uh, there was a third brief Then the court sets it for an oral argument. We will argue before the court and then the court has to rule Uh, if we lose in that court or even if the government loses we can request that the court of appeals For the armed forces hear the case Although that's a discretionary appeal It's very likely that that court would take the appeal in this case because it's such an important case And again, there's a series of briefs written in that court Uh, and then if um, if the case is not resolved there Then it goes to supreme court again That's discretionary the supreme court can decide whether or not it wants to hear the case if we've lost Below we certainly will do everything we can to try to get this case before the supreme court But to answer your question, um, I can't tell you how many years, but I can tell you it's more than one more than two I have a follow-up question that is there a difference between the u.s. Army court of criminal appeals The first appellate court and the court of appeals for the armed forces in terms of what kinds of issues they'll consider Like is for example, is the higher military court for like matters of legal understanding Whereas the us army lower appeals court related to sort of like evidentiary issues or how the Is there any distinction between the two? I don't think so. Um, I think that it's just an appellate court If you lose in the first one you can go and ask that court to consider it Now in all these cases we are bound by the record that was made below That's the record we have Um, we can't really we can't add new facts We can we have that record and that's the record that that we have to rely on Which is the record that was made In the court below we can ask in some circumstances for a remand back to To the first court in some instances, but whether we're going to do that or not we haven't decided Great. Thank you. Number two, please So this is going to be a quiet personal question about jelsie So if you believe she doesn't want this answered, please don't answer But i'm gonna ask anyway You said that she does not get the treatment she needs During her arrest Did she actually have any of these treatment before her arrest? Or is that something that just wasn't possible while in service? I'm assuming this is a question about treatment for for gender dysphoria. Um She so she uh, did not you know seek out treatment prior to her arrest You know in central part because uh, the united states military continues to Bar service by transgender individuals and in fact criminalizes under the The the military code of criminal justice You know any cross gender expressions, which would include all treatment for gender dysphoria So if she had sought treatment while she was in uh in the military She you know, she faced not only discharge but also criminal Liability and so her ability to come to terms with her transgender identity was greatly diminished by being in the service And and the ban on trans people serving openly and that's something that You know has it has affected her and continues to affect so many other people who are serving in the united states military who are transgender Thanks Are there any questions from from the net? Yes, there are some questions The first one is referring to discrimination of transgender people Did the support for jelsie manning change after her coming out as a female? You know I'm just a meds picture changed. Yes. I'm sorry about that Um, so, you know, nancy may know more about the that how the support has changed over time um, I think that uh, one thing that did happen is that the lgbt community became more supportive of chelsea I think after she came out as transgender and that was sort of part of her public narrative And I think it's unfortunate actually that the lgbt community wasn't more supportive during her court marshal and that You know, she was an out gay person during that time and she Uh, you know was also someone who you know was a critically important person for the for the united states and for the entire world So I think it's a shame that the lgbt community didn't step up to be a real true advocate for her until after she came out as transgender But I do think that's a community where we saw increased support for her And I think um, there's been some misunderstanding about her female identity from her supporters And that's something to continue to sort of centralize in her narrative But I do think overall we've seen you know consistent support for chelsea and hopefully that support will only grow over time I want to just add something here from the court record that it was really interesting Now that the you've you filed this department of the suit against the department of defense a lot of sort of Puzzle pieces are fitting together from the court marshal like for example One of the documents found in manning's dorm sort of her military dorm It was called a chew in iraq was a scholarly treaties on On written by an us army. Sorry us air force doctor. It was a study that Was called a flight into hyper masculinity and in this particular study this us army air force doctor Argued that the proportion of transgender people was higher in the military than in the general population Because trans women who identify as women but were assigned male at birth Actually will join the military to try to deal with their experience with gender dysphoria Um, so there's all these kinds of when you say that manning wasn't treated for it She was diagnosed with it before her arrest though Yeah, that is correct and she was diagnosed repeatedly every single time she saw a medical professional in the military Right And did she find herself trying to express her femininity? While she was in iraq or during that time period Yeah, she did and I think you know, there's different ways to sort of look back on that time She talks a lot about a leaf. She took while she was deployed in iraq and which time was the first time She really publicly lived as a woman and sort of outwardly expressed her gender as such But I think as you know, it's important to also recognize all the way She she expressed her female identity that weren't sort of outwardly recognized as being Feminine or female and sort of understanding her condition And also it can't be sort of understated the extent to which she was, you know In a feminine presenting person. She was a gender non-conforming person She was always sort of identified and sort of recognized as such and she also, you know Existed under don't ask don't tell she she was someone who was constantly living under these conditions in the military And she saw out ways to to express that and come to terms with who she is as a woman as a transgender person And so that included things like dressing as a as a woman when she was on leave And sort of trying to consolidate her identity But also doing extensive research trying to understand her condition trying to figure out ways that she would be able to get treatment Either, you know before she left the military or after and that is something that is very much there in the record and very much part of her story And it shows how much the military was aware of her need for treatment for a very long period of time I have a question from the european perspective to you guys What can we Do for chelsea? I mean you told from from the american perspective that Writing to the military. Um, okay donating. That's something we can do But um, what can we do? from here to support Your case to support chelsea but there You can continue to talk about the case as you are now You can continue to educate people about the case about the problems That the whistleblowers have in the united states that it's it's virtually impossible now for anyone who Has access to any information that the u.s. Government considers to be national security To bring this to the public if in fact that person finds human rights abuses as chelsea did if that person finds That the government is misusing the classification process, you know it it's a It's illegal to classify evidence in the united states for the purpose of Avoiding embarrassment of the government. It's right in the executive order from the president that it cannot be used To avoid embarrassment and yet That is how it's used and we saw that in the torture report obviously and There's not one there's a there's an actual process That someone who has access to classified information that that person believes shouldn't be classified There's a process within the law to go up the chain Um and say this shouldn't be classified and it's never been successful ever And that that's part of the problem So making this public continuing to make it public that people have to be treated fairly that Chelsea needs to be treated fairly in prison that chelsea didn't have a fair trial all of that is supportive of her as We go forward in this appeal the world needs to keep this case in focus Because it's so important if we have a government in the united states that can protect its secrets We can't have a free society and that's just the bottom line and everyone in the world needs to be concerned about that Well, thank you very much So we have five minutes and we have two more Two questions. Yeah, um number four, please I would like each and Everyone I mean nancy ahmet and chase to answer me this truthfully and honestly honestly just with yes or no And this is a personal question question After all of what you have witnessed Do you still believe in justice? Okay, i'm the oldest and i'm gonna go first You are named first Look how young they are both of them. Um So I believe that there can be justice. I mean, I certainly believe in justice. I believe That I want justice for all people everywhere. Do I believe that there can be justice? Anywhere certainly in the united states, I'm not so sure I've been a criminal defense lawyer for over 35 years. I've seen Uh a system that I did believe in that I do believe is on paper A really good system. I believe that the jury trial system is a good system I believe our system that requires confrontation Of witnesses, which is different than the european system is a really good system But uh, I've seen too much now and i'm not sure that most that people who have issues Uh gender issues national security issues Uh anyone who's muslim in the united states anyone who is a minority in the united states I'm not sure any of those people get justice as the system exists today And that's that's very distressing I continue to work for it and I will continue to work for it and we just have to continue that struggle Because we're you know lawyers particularly have tremendous power and we have the power to create change And that's what we have to continue to do Is to use that power Thank you We have a very last question because we are running out of time. Um number two, please please keep short So it's somewhat related to the last one, but um, so you spend some time telling us about the espionage act and things like that that Chelsea mining was treated unfairly So and yet you're trying to help her through legal means again. So what makes you think it will work this time I don't have any choice. I mean what you got some other idea No, I don't but You know, I don't have any choice We have to rely on public the public the the court of public opinion is a very important court And there there have been cases in the u.s. Supreme court that have said the court of public opinion is important And that's why we're here and that's why we're talking to all of you But we have we have no choice. We have to go through the legal system And we that's what we'll do Maybe to have something else you can say to that Thank you very much. I want to thank you guys for Your time today. This has been really an awesome honor. So thanks a lot guys um I think it is um Fair enough to to thank you for you're awesome Thank you for for your work for for Chelsea And um, I think it is okay if we say oh All the energy and all the love to Chelsea Absolutely all the energy and all the love to Chelsea Thank you


My name is Inda Johnson and I am the Director of Educational Technology at the Medical University of South Carolina. This is in Charleston, South Carolina, and I am with the College of Medicine. That's important because we are a health sciences center so we have six different colleges in different healthcare fields, so dentistry, nursing, all of that. So I, opposite of what we just heard, am in the undergraduate medical education arena which would be students who are trying to get a medical degree. So one of the things that, a challenge for me, which I'll talk about a little bit more after I kind of say a few things about a metacourse, was that I had to come up with a creative way to use our Moodle instance and based on our curriculum. So I'll talk a little bit more about that in just a second. So a metacourse, it was funny, I was, when I was getting this together I was thinking about what I, how I define it, then looking up how others define it. And so this is how it's defined. So a course that has a linked course in it or a parent course that inherits a child course or a course shell that brings in enrollments from other courses. It's on my campus, I think I probably utilize this more than anybody, but I'll explain why, again in a minute, why I had to use it so often, why I do use it so often. So child courses are brought into a metacourse. So you say, you set up something and say you allow it to be a metacourse. You bring in other courses into that course. That means all the enrollments that come with that course come in. If you want to change the enrollments, you can change them in the child course. And then you can enroll multiple child courses into one metacourse. That's where it came to be a good thing for me. So I faced the problem of in the first two years of medical school, we have an integrated curriculum, which means that they have no longer have siloed courses. They learn all of their systems based stuff in one large way. So although they get reported out for different grades at the end of a semester or fall and spring, so it ends up being eight. It's really a longitudinal learning curriculum for them. And so I couldn't use four different Moodle courses because I would completely take away the point of what we're trying to do. So I had to have one large course, which was fine except I also needed our lecture capture software to be divided up because they have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of lectures. So we didn't want it all to be jumbled together. So I still needed to have separate folders in the lecture capture software, but I needed all in one course. But I couldn't do that just enrolling them all in one course. So metacourse is fixed that for me. So what I did in essence is for the first and second years is that I created a large course shell, let's say it's called year one. And then in year one I pulled the enrollments from the other four, from the four courses that they are technically enrolled in through our enrollment services. So when I did that, they all got enrolled into my big course. They could see everything I had listed in the big course. But then they got individual folders because of our integration with our lecture capture software. They got individual folders in the lecture capture software. So that was clear. So it's not hundreds of lectures in one spot for them. But they got everything in one large course. So this helped me with point, the second point here, which is we wanted to keep the same material and this huge course, but kind of switch our enrollments in and out. Of course we upgrade update material, but we didn't want to keep creating courses. The other issue that came up for me was in the third and fourth years when they go into their clinical years, they are on two week, three week, four week and six week rotations. So the problem was I didn't want to have to keep creating a course or every six weeks because through the way our enrollment service was made, that's how it works really. They spit out a course every six weeks because that's how it's based on the dates. So what we did for that or what I did for that is created one course shell that we just changed the enrollments every six weeks. So the child course has changed. So like yesterday, one block ended and another one began. So you just take out that child course and add in the new child course. This way you can keep all of your information and it may change. I mean a lot of people have different rotations, obviously different dates and things, so that might change within your course. But the general information doesn't have to change or if you have grading policies, things like that that everybody needs to see, you can keep that. The other nice thing about this is the third point here is that you can use it to collaborate between multiple courses with multiple enrollments. So we're a health sciences center that has, like I said, six different colleges. And we have really big on interprofessional education. So one of the things that we do is all of first year students and all of the colleges, this would be dentistry, medicine, nursing, all of those health professions, they have to take a interprofessional course in their first year where they have to work on a team-based project, a doctor, a nurse, everybody, all that. So we can pull their enrollments all into this one interprofessional course, which is a big deal for us because everybody is like the master of their own category. So I'm only the master of college of medicine category and then the person for nursing is the master of theirs. But for the interprofessional course, we can have the person who runs that pull in these child courses into the meta course so then they can do it that way. So that's part of why I use them so heavily, like I said. Multiple sessions of a course because we are on rotation, heavy rotation, every three weeks, every four weeks, every six weeks. We could use the same material in the course but just change the enrollments. We've also been a little creative with other things. So if rotation one obviously would have different dates, then maybe rotation two. So we're just maybe using groups. We could set that to where they could see the group that came in. If we kept everybody in there, the group that came in could see just rotation two. Group one could see rotation one. Or if we took them out completely, we could just hide whatever we don't want them to see. It just depends on the specialty. Some specialties want to keep the students enrolled the whole time that they're in medical school. Some specialties do not. They want them out. So it just depends on the needs. I would say that this was when we first went to the system we have. But I think we have a pretty unique instance. We actually are hosted by Jules Swarth Moodle Rooms. But the fact that everybody's on the same instance and we're all different colleges was really, it's really a strange setup. So it was a really very difficult thing at first, because it was like, how are we going to make this work? But the metacourses has been the savior to this. And originally back, I think, when we were on the very beginning on 1.9, I think we weren't able to add the manual enrollments, I don't believe. But I know we can now, which makes it great so that we can, if somebody's not enrolled in a child course, I don't necessarily have to go to the child course. I can enroll them in the metacourse. I can also delete them there, which I couldn't do that before. Before, if they were a metacourse, you could only enroll people into the child course. Now you can do both. So it makes it very helpful. So this is what it looks like. For those of you that have never seen a metacourse. So this is the big course. And in here, I have just pulled in onto that choose option. If you've ever noticed it has a course meta link, you choose that. And then it gives you an option of courses to choose from, depending upon what courses are available to you. So this is how it actually looks for a first year medical student. Of course, they don't know this. They don't see any of this. This is all in the back end. And like I said, one of the reasons that I had to do this, too, because we could have just used one of these courses, because they were enrolled in four, because they get a grade. But because of the integration with our lecture capture software, I needed them to have these four folders. Otherwise, like I said, they would have had literally 300 or 400 lectures recorded in one folder. And they wouldn't have had any way to get through it. So now they just see one Moodle course. And then when they go into their lecture capture software, they see four separate folders. So that's basically it. Just that's the setup. And that's how it worked for us. One other thing I didn't really talk about too much was the start and end dates. We have an integration through our system to where the courses are all generated through our enrollment services. But we have not put end dates on our courses. They only put start dates. I don't really know why, but for some reason, they've done that. So that's the other thing. It's not like we have it where the courses, from here to here, it opens and closes. It kind of stays open. So this also helps with that. So if I want to leave the courses in there and leave the people in there, they can be in there for as long as we say. Or when I move them out, it doesn't matter, because all of the material is housed in a course shell that's separate. Now, a few of the drawbacks to this are if you have any integration where your systems talk, which ours do, but we don't use it this way, where if you can send grades back to your enrollment services from your Moodle course, that you can't do through the MetaCourse, the way I have it set up. If I had it in a separate course, I could do that. But I can't do that. The other thing that is a current work in progress is that our mobile app doesn't support the MetaCourse right now. So for our students, our mobile app, they see the course shells, but there's nothing in there. So that's something that they're working on. That's partly because of the authentication that we use. So that's a work in progress also. But once those things are kind of ironed out, we found a lot of uses for this with our residency programs. Like I said, it was interprofessional collaboration. It's just a nice way to have a lot of different people collaborate in one space. And you don't have to change your information as often. Or, well, every six weeks, you wouldn't have to. Is there any questions? So how do you use the SOAP course plug-in to hold the grades back down from when the child went into the MetaCourse? I have not. Have you used that? Yeah. You can see the variation. Yeah. So you can actually, as I've said, I'll say that the grade from the shared course is pulled back at the activity into the main course. Into the main course. It means that your main course may be then called also MetaCourse. Sure. And have just that main course with all the grades. So it becomes like a curriculum itself. Yeah. That's very interesting. Yeah. It's a deployment-based thing. Yeah. It sounds like it. Yeah, definitely. Does pulling, so when the course ends, and you attach the child to the course from the parent to the course, does that sort of reset all the parent to the course, for example, the forums or resources? So only what's tied to the user, so it doesn't reset the forums or anything, but it does take out the user's information.  You know how, if you look at quiz attempts, anybody who's ever done it, that was still in there. So when I reset courses, if we want that data out of there, like at the end of the year, we'll reset all of that. But it takes away. Now, the other thing, when they are taken out, and let's say I put them back in, and I want to restore their grades, it will restore their grades just fine, but it won't restore any files associated with them, which has come back around when people have not downloaded files they should have kept before we unenrolled them. And that's like best practices, because we've had been burned with that, needing a file that we can't find now. So, and you, right, and I could possibly have multiple. Yeah, so maybe in any course, you would have the activity that single activity would appear as a native activity in the shell. In the shell or something. Yeah, that might be interesting. Yeah, it actually would hit on the issue that we had in the clinical years, which was the changing of the enrollment and the time period, changing so fast, they didn't want to have to keep restoring or importing and making another course. That would be interesting. So, in the clinical patch-up course from the lab course, the grades of the students are going to have? Yes. And you said some of the files would be stored. Would that get restored? Right. Would they be able to keep a history of what happened to the students through their semester in order for them to prove their dedication? Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. So that is one thing that we do, because like I said, now when it restored, it will restore their grade, but not necessarily any files. But we keep their, you know, we download any, if they are attaching any files, like write-ups or anything like that, download them and keep them locally. Just because we've had people come back with grade grievances or anything like that, definitely. So we have them. Because of how many people we have at the university and how many students we have, we don't want to keep those courses with all those files and all that storage in our instance. So we just download them and keep them that way. And so if anybody ever had an issue, we could go back. But in the beginning, when people were not doing that very well, we had issues with that. And we could recover a few we could recover. And the old version and the newer version, there's no way to find them. Or we haven't found them. Yes. As far as the user experience covers, students ever get confused about what those were? No. They actually don't even know that it's set up this way. All I tell them in orientation is that the mobile app won't work for them because of the way I have the core set up. But they actually don't see the shells. They're hidden to them. And they just see the main course. So on their Moodle page, they just see College of Medicine year one. And then when they go in it, they see all the information. Because of the way the curriculum is integrated, everything is by blocks and by system. So it's all in one. So it's not like siloed courses. So they don't see it that way. Now in the clinical years, it's the same thing. They could be on their family medicine rotation. And they just see the big family medicine course. They don't know that they had a section. Because there's eight sections in one semester. They don't even know that. But it was really helpful for our, like I said, for the folders and our lecture capture software. Because that's all integrated. And for them, if they were to record into the big course, it would have just been this long list of lectures that they would have never been able to get there. So that's helped. This course is for you. Hm? This section is for some, yes, for some courses we do. The courses, there are some specialties that want the students to stay in the whole entire time, I guess, because it's relevant to everything else they're doing. And they don't. They just, you know, if you're off that rotation, obviously you know that the dates that are there are not for you. Some of our mandatory courses, like our internal medicine and surgery, they do use force groups for certain rotations, you know.  Also, if we have any residents that are teaching within the course, usually there's an area that's just for them. So we use it that way. Any other questions? Yes. Do you still challenge most of the faculty to teach you? Do you have an honor of teachers that you know they don't guide you today? Yes. Yeah, that's a great question. I don't know if you guys heard what he said. So he asked about different faculty being able to edit in the course. That's very true. So no, the course is centrally managed more or less. We have a course coordinators. There's two of them that are staff people that usually are doing most of the updating. But there are usually two or three faculty members that also are given editing privileges to be able to edit like their quiz questions and things like that. But most of it because of how large our curriculum is it's really robust. If we had two or three or four people editing at one time, it would be, you know, it would be a mess. That is something we had to do is kind of take it centrally, control it centrally, which you would have to do because otherwise it would be too many different people changing things. What are the class size? So for a first year medical class for us is 180 students. And then there's probably 20 core faculty, but a lot more. Everybody, though they're enrolled as non-editing teachers, so they can, you know, see everything and grade, but they can't do anything, edit anything. Yes. How do teachers see only their group where they can see the other, okay? They can see all of them. Well, it depends on the big, in the big course they can see all of them. But if we have some sub-courses and in the sub-courses they're grouped out and they only see, like for grading purposes they only see their 10 students. So they can grade in a small group fashion so they don't have to see everybody. So the big course they have to be seeing through the students or through the grades? Yes, but in the big course, the way that our curriculum is, nobody is grading just like a small subset of students. That would be, we have a couple of different courses that I'll tie in and that would be, they're like patient groups where there's like 10 students in a group and then they are put in groups and they grade them that way. But in the whole, they would just, they just grade all the students, you know, there might be three or four graders in different assignments and they grade everybody. So I would see everybody. Okay, great, thank you.


Testing testing one two testing three two one and record So people I am back with another destiny 2 video, and you know what we're gonna do We're gonna go into PvP And we're gonna try out The new exotic Scout rifle The dead man's tail now. I've shot this like four times in PvE Then I went and sold it and got this one with moving target Just been down to the tower To get my bounties And now we're gonna go on to PvP people. We're gonna go on to PvP people and see what this thing is like And I saw a couple posts on Twitter By some of these PvP elites saying these things ink well everything's incredible in your hands Everything's incredible in your hands. I mean I bet you this True prophecy would be incredible in your hands, but it ain't so much incredible in my hands I got 80 kills with that thinking about 80 games So this is gonna be a Noobs review of it someone who's shocking in PvP We'll see how these rules will see how this rules now actually for that targeting adjuster weren't on the helmet but it is you just have to apply it via the The artifact you have to unlock it there and apply it. Yeah, because scat rifle targeting Isn't here unless I just can't see it We've got auto rifle bowls fusion pistols or hand cannons. We've got linears unless it's two in one forces no shotguns sidearms SMGs and snipers There's nothing for scouts At all So I bought this bad one put it on twice and I just know this thing ain't gonna go well for me I just know this thing just isn't gonna go well for me Like I said, I'm a noob in PvP. So Why does it take you so long to find people man? Come on game I've got my foul winters. Yeah Winters even though this thing don't work for me like it works for other people And I hit people at point blank range and nothing happens. Why is it taking so long come on? Come on destiny you better miss You better miss what we got this week anyway elimination rumble survival showdown don't know what that is. We can play this Come on pop me into a game But yes a bit of a warning guys We've watched any of my PvP videos in the past Don't expect any amazing game players because you ain't getting that You ain't getting amazing gameplays from me again entertainment in a form of me crossing swear and bitching crying That's what you're getting and that's it So, you know, I'm gonna do I'm just gonna cut a video here and I just Sink it back up when we've got a game because it's taking ages to find some weird. That's reason so fine. They got a game I'm not been joking guys that took literally like four or five minutes This game is going away. I think it's not working properly either. Oh No, oh No, I don't know how this is gonna go Like I said, I saw people saying these PvP elites people who are actually good at PPP Unlike me, I'm absolutely sure I'm just gonna get hand cannons. Well, I got a double down, but I didn't actually get killed. It's got assist, you know Someone actually using over there. He's thinking like me thinking. Yeah, try this bad boy. Yep Whoo, why you just mess me up with it Ain't got two kills. He's working for him. It's working for him That's me why I'm jumping into a rock. I'll get my PC screen. Okay, let me off May just need to be accurate with it Just need to be accurate with it. Are you good? Team shine with these things.   I've meant to jump didn't work You just feels it feels good to use that's the thing about it But when there's two I'm seeing back man. It's so hard to counter It's so hard to count but it's actually noise is a count for the hand cannons because hand cannons 120 hand cannons I mean I like them as much as the the next person, but man, they're things are ruthless at the minute They are so 80 seven to the head. That's below. I hand kind of does that is it not I think it's yeah I think it's bluffing. They do like 90 to the head close range But then kids are still sitting at the back Still sitting on the back. I don't even know why I'm getting shot from I'm getting shot from somewhere I don't know, you know people I Don't know you know people.  No, I can't come out my how am I sick?     Bitch, so what does a catalyst do for this thing a catalyst? I think it makes it the hip fire more accurate and more powerful maybe or you got a quicker Typical typical less words though Do you I don't care don't care I didn't even get in the system there. Oh my days AP You know, I'm actually quite happy. I got killed by a He's got some aim assist I'm actually quite happy.  This is the ultimate long-range weapon Ultimate long-range weapon. What's going on down there? Okay, I take it back. It's fun You know, it's just it's just gonna take some getting used to that's what it is It's just gonna take some getting used to Once we get used to it people still use the Rubber spoons man. Yes to call that shop that that See when someone does that to me, I'm frozen on the spot for about 10 minutes.   I know as soon as I work on that corner.   I Love victory Don't know how you won.  Yes, no, thank you And you can also got a weapon. I got a blue scout Onto the next one people on to the next one. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go Okay, so this is a little bit more of a range map, but a funny feeling people who's gonna camp I'm going camp anyway We extract my buckles I'm pretty head back out getting out of there getting out of there.   I'm trapped Now the headshot increase it got goes up like from 88 to 91 ish, maybe Me, I don't know how much of a difference it's gonna make Okay, 87 Yeah, we'll be both. Yeah, we'll be both If I'm honest with you, I mean like it's a good weapon Not in my hands. It don't look good, but it's a decent weapon here The thing is I don't think it's that much better than normal scope. Is it that much better than normal scope, really? Hello, it's Lance my baby, man. I mean I'm gonna get to work with that. I see that dude though. I can't see that dude though Mate, you know what? Take some getting used to Went to chips and beg somebody else and got me Too many people around there.  Yeah, here you are Look at him trying to tag me with that Divination I'm so bad.   I like That's a kind of a weird reaction Sit up do his mom's cat over Wow, that's what I'm saying That's what I'm saying man.  I Got you Dave. I got you Dave. What to do?  He's using the same weapons me. That's good. That's good I like that dude.  Come on team.     I don't cave is using the same weapon.  Yeah, it's coming. It's gonna do it all over.  Yeah, my Point my You don't know what he's using. I'm not putting my head back out there. You see back Destroy trusty That's a weapon You know, it's a one red weapon. I didn't ever get I didn't ever get I'll be farming it every week for the chair So just hang out the clan mates playing the game. No more to be doing aids man. I hate doing it randoms I'm on these people.   What happened then what he mounted there? Only my num chops going to cool ninja blade stuff is There's so many people out there We lost twice at once. That's pretty cool.  Yes get the final killing. Yes. That's what I'm talking about That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about now. What give me for that pinnacle.  Oh, no, do you get it from there? Get this one for the value, don't you? Do you don't know do you what I do? I didn't do too bad. I'll take that. I'll take that That that yeah, the weapon's good. It's fun to use. That's what it is The weapons fun to use now when quickly go to survive and see what we got paper That's you know, no, that's a viola checks. In fact, is that is how it works now? I'm not sure it is. Is it does he have a week? Does he have the weekly for you? No, don't No, he doesn't that No, he doesn't that No, he does not so that would have been my pinnacles a plus one. I Don't get that you know honestly be actually.  So just give it to that junk 300 here Let me put you on so my power levels Mmm 300 and 1300 So why is that only a 13 or one? Then go let me quickly go to the tower. I gotta just see But that don't make sense people. That's something's going to my pulse master. We will see that as well Well, pinnacles should be more than a plus one should do that. Yeah, my boss must have literally just got blue So my pinnacle should have been unless I got some house, but I didn't get nothing guys pop up That junk Other legs I mean, it's higher. I mean, don't get me wrong. I take it, but I Thought pinnacles are like a plus two or something Plus three maybe I don't know it's what what a Powerful one. Oh, I'm thirty-one hundred any set when it's like a soft cap.   That's probably why Yes, guys. Anyway on that note, we have come to the end of the video Why do I think about this thing? I think it's actually fun to use. You just gotta get used to it We're good man. We're good. It's a good weapon. I know you'll use this well. Okay, but yeah That's it guys. I hope you enjoyed the video really did if you want to see more life PvP on my behalf Let me know down below. Well, thanks as always for stopping by and hopefully I will see you on That Next One


Hey everyone, I hope you're all well welcome back to my channel or if you're new here My name is seppy in today's video. I'm doing something kind of different and I Have been requested this video loads but loads of times before So you guys might think this is random, but loads of people actually want to see this So I thought why not film it for you guys seeing as I literally just got home 20 minutes ago and put makeup on to film this for you guys I don't even know if that makes sense But yeah today, I'm gonna be showing you guys. What is in my uni bag?  Okay, we have the scale thing for like suitcases But it was downstairs because you know we travel all the time, but they moved up says I was gonna wait for you Guys, but I think mom how much do you think my bag weighs? Dad, what do you think how much does my bag weigh? My school bag Yeah, my parents are guessing that my dad thought I was in my luggage. He goes 28 kilos I'm not even going anywhere No, my school bag definitely weighs between four to six kilos. It is very very heavy I'm literally like opening my hand underneath it right now to hold it So a fun fact about the bag that I'm using this term for uni. This was my school bag in year nine It's from Juicy Couture in LA I believe my sister's got this for me when I was in year nine and I loved it so much I used to wear it to school like I used to wear this leather jacket over my uniform in this bag and When I'd like leave school. I felt like I was like so sick. I can't even explain to you guys I know I sound so nerdy and I thought I was so cool because I had this bag Still like in such good condition I haven't used it since I was in school and then I randomly just picked it up And I was like this looks like still in such good shape So and it's so pretty and I've actually got so many compliments on it when I told people it was my school bag in year nine No one can believe it. So it's from Juicy Couture. It's basically vintage So I'm sorry if you guys can't track it down or anything But the colors in itself is really nice.  I actually have a look to see what's in my bag So this could be quite bad. First things first is my pencil case So I use this kept Kipling pencil case and again, you're gonna laugh But this has been my pencil case since I was in year nine and this I've actually been using consistently since year nine I haven't had another pencil case unless I go into exams with the clear one, but this is my pencil case and I just have a bunch of like highlighters Pens my favorite pens are from Muji You can get Muji.  I've been using them for the first time this year because my other highlighters ran out I like to highlight my work I feel like it stays in my head more. I also always keep a mini stapler. I've again had this since year nine Doesn't sound like such a weirdo in the studio and these scissors. I think these are just your bog standard like IKEA scissors But yeah, I've got like all my essentials in here and you always need one of these Next thing that is in my bag is the Oxford Handbook. This one is Obstetrics and Gynecology I was on Obstetrics and Gynecology recently just before I was on Pediatrics So that's why I have this still because I haven't finished my learning objectives to do with this So I still need this textbook with me And I just go through it whenever I have time So if I have like a study break, which basically doesn't really happen But I just keep it with me in case the next thing I have in my bag is this folder I will have these lectures with me and I will just read through them And they've got all the vital information that I need for each placement. So this is all of my Lectures that I've had or teachings that I've had so far printed out and some of it's my own notes that I've written During the teaching as well printed out next thing I have in my bag is this A4 Like divided notepad thing. So in this I write all of my notes so so like whatever Topic I've been researching. I will just literally write my notes on it I'll write my notes on it And then I will eventually add everything that I write into the pink folder on each based on each subject But I need always need paper to write on then I have another Pucker pad notepad thing this one is smaller than the last one and I use this to answer questions and so I have access to this website called pastmedicine.com and It's like a question bank for medical students and I basically answer their questions in here Well, I answer it online, but whatever I get wrong. I write down the answers here So I'm really helpful to just have a separate book for my questions and stuff that I get wrong Yep, you guessed it another book. So this one I ain't got three weeks ago from Sainsbury's because there's a Sainsbury's close by to where I work and By work, I mean where I'm on placement and this says dreams and schemes 2018 to 2019 and what I use this for is basically on when I take the train in to work or uni or whatever I'll write in my goals Whether it be for that day, whether it be like long into the future basically kind of what I'm thinking of planning for myself Like you know when you get thoughts in your head like especially on the train Like I could be on the train anywhere between an hour and an hour and 45 minutes I have a lot of time on my hands to think about Things and what I want to achieve and when you're underground you can't really like go on your computer and do stuff So I'll write down everything I want to do long-term goals short-term goals and like it says dreams and schemes That's basically what I use this for next. I have this little booklet thing I can't show you the I can't show you the other side because it has the name of my university on it But this is all my learning objectives of the placement that I'm currently on which is pediatrics So I have all my learning objectives for this placement printed out so that I can make sure that I'm Studying them or seeing them on the wards or whatever It's just good to have a hard copy even though it is available online as well But I prefer to have a hard copy next thing in my bag is my laptop. I have a MacBook I don't know what size this is But I know it's the smaller size they have and I don't know if they even do this size anymore I got this in my first year of uni, so I'm currently in fourth year So you guys do the maths about three years ago And the case for it I got from Amazon I think if you just type in pink marble case or something it will come up and I don't always take this with me. I usually take it if I have videos I want to edit on the train I will use this to edit with otherwise I don't try not to like this around with me just because like I said my bag is so heavy that it's I might as well if I've got access to a computer in uni or on the wards or whatever to not have to carry this around with me Next up, which I'm sure you guys were all expecting to see in my bag is my stethoscope I got this in my first year Everyone's like you don't need a stethoscope in first year But I feel like I actually did better by having one because I could practice the stuff that I'd learned clinically In first year because my uni has clinical teaching from literally day one. So I have a Lipman's Stethoscope is just the classic one Does it say which one? Doesn't say which one but it's basically the classic Lipman's. I don't have a cardiology one I won't be that advanced into needing that extra technical stethoscope So I just have a standard one mine is pink My sister Saina is also a med student and her one is so cool She got her's after me and she got her's customized hers is black with matte black and then her bell is like chrome like rainbow chrome It's so cool. I'm so jealous next up. I have my ID card Obviously, I can't show you guys, but it's double-sided. I have my NHS one and then I have my uni one on this side So the NHS smart card is basically to access notes whilst you're on the ward And the uni one is to get into uni and use as your identification I also have my locker keys on here and just a lanyard and then attach the lanyard I also have a pen always because you always need a pen on the wards You are probably expected to like you're always expected to write stuff whether you're writing in patients notes or writing in your own Notebook for whatever reason Yeah, you're always gonna need a pen. I always have one attached to my lanyard. Next up is my headphones I have these airpods. I got them as a present Would I personally buy them myself? I mean, yeah, I really like them, but in a way I get pain. I have really small ears So I get pain when I have headphones in for too long So I feel like the next set of headphones I get will be over ear ones So if you guys know any good ones that aren't too like technical like Appropriate for DJs or whatever then let me know because some of them are just way too like Cool for school and not like that. Next up is my portable charger Um, oh ironic because the wire isn't even in here. So this portable charger has one two three outlets On button and a flashlight from a brand called cat. I don't know my dad gave it to me I think you got this one in China And it's a really good charger It's good because when I went on holiday to Cannes My friend April and I would always go to the beach and then after is when we go eat lunch We'd both have two wires connected to this and recharge our phones because by then our phones would be dead So it's really really handy Next up is a normal set of headphones So you guys might be wondering why do I have two sets of headphones? It's because one an editing videos and if those other ones die, then I'm gonna need this Otherwise, I'm gonna have to make the whole train listen to my videos And that's just not fair on the whole train.   I'd be like empty your bag. I have Kleenex tissues. It's not allergy season yet It's not winter yet, but when winter comes. I'm gonna be grateful that I put this in early because Yeah, the amount of times I get runny nose is especially early morning in winters. I really really need this Um next I have my karmic moisture plus lip balm if you watch my previous vlog then you would have seen this I'm obsessed with this. I might put some on now. It is like in a cherry color and It's just really hydrating and it's got nice color to it and nice shine And then the last thing in my bag is change I don't usually carry change, but there's a coffee shop near where I work that only except contactless dress for four pounds, so I try and carry change with me so that I could buy coffee in the mornings without having to buy my lunch as well Yeah, I've got some change. That is it. My bag is empty Oh, yes, I didn't show you guys the inside of the bag I just got this like inside pocket that says shop and on this side It has the hello for your mobile and this for your lip gloss But obviously the inside is a bit like ruined because I've had it for so many years So that is the end of this video you guys have seen everything that I carried with myself to uni as you can see I carry a lot if you guys can suggest ways where I can reduce the amount that I carry Then feel free to let me know because my shoulder hurts and I have an Iranian mom and you know what that means It means she moans at me every single day that I'm gonna have back problems because of the fact. Yeah I hope that you guys enjoyed this video if you did then give it a thumbs up and subscribe to me down below I don't only film what's in my bag. 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