All right, it's 630. Oh boy. So we've got Daniel, who's one candidate and the other that we're looking for. I know George did nominate, you know, was looking to be a candidate, but he just expressed that I'm, you know, he'd be willing to cede the responsibility to the other applicant and his ward. Just to make it no contest. I told him he could be a alternate. In case they drop out, but as the slayest on that. Just reply to his email. Number one. What's their name. Who's. Ashley was one of them. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how to pronounce the name, but. And me as well for war three. I just got the email from Chris, like an hour ago to discuss beforehand, but I've been working until like five minutes ago. So I did not have that opportunity. Totally. Yep. Dan, I know. I know you're in it for sure. Yeah, I know who hastily is I'll open up that spreadsheet. Yeah, he mentioned you'd be at city hall right now. Oh, he's doing in person. Okay. Yeah. So what's happening. And good question. Well, the candidates for war to declare themselves and the candidates for war three to clear themselves, they can make little speeches and we can vote.  Good question. Yeah, like that's, that's why I say I don't know what the next step is. And plus we have, you know, announcements and public forum to do before we get to the vote anyway on the agenda. Oh, I thought this was just a redistricting meeting, not a regular or two, three meeting. I thought so too, but it's on the agenda that it was posted. How many people are in the city hall room is very tiny on my screen I can't see. There are three members of the NPA and then person here with you. We have five or six members of the NPA. So before we move forward, I'm going to look up who that other applicant is that the one that he's, he's going to show up in person. So I have the name here. So it's Daniel from which ward is Daniel from I think you're from three. Yeah, I'm from Ward three. It seems like someone already edited my name to include that. Oh yeah, Molly's on it. Daniel, where do you live. I live on Cedar Street. It runs between La Fontaine and Rose Street in that area. I live on that block. Okay, it's in the old North end. Yep. Okay, thank you. So George had reached out to me and said, Are they still here? No. So the one I talked to on email. I'm going to see the, the give up his spot and possibly be an alternate. But he is, according to the spreadsheet that we've got was for Ward two. And I don't see any other applicants for Ward two. Because Chris Hassley, which is the one that is going to be showing up in person. You know, months anew. Is that how you say that? Montana, but any pronunciations. Okay. I'm sure you've heard a lot. Is, are you so your word three as well. So yeah, there's no other, there's no other word twos. So George must must have been mistaken. Yeah, that would be a bummer. I'll do that right now. And then, you know, I think that's enough delay. I'll at least open it up for announcements and public forum and we'll go from there, I guess. I'd speak at public forum, but I think announcements, we should make sure we get announcements done first if there are any. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I'll start that in a second. I'm just going to shoot the email to George. The agenda. Get that going unless I hear any, any objection. Right. So, welcome everybody to the special meeting of the words two and three neighborhood planning assembly. I'm Kevin, one of the steering committee members. And Tony will start with you. We'll pass, pass her on the mic. We're introducing ourselves as members of the just a hello. Yeah. Hello, Tony Redington Ward three steering committee Barbara. I also from three on the steering committee, although I'm, I've just had a big loss of my family. I'm kind of taking a little sabbatical but I thought this meeting was really important. So I thought that would come. Thanks for being here Barbara. And we got Charlie G Molly is at the Queen city conference room. Yeah, everybody on board three. I think that's. Seedow. Michelle for three. Awesome. There's Charlie. Yep, yeah. I think should mention just briefly that. Patrick Johnson would normally be with us tonight, but some of you may not even know yet that there's some serious illness in that household and, and he's going to be preoccupied for police for the media future. So I just thought, I think it should be mentioned we shouldn't have actually, I guess we should say that it's, it's fair to say, I want to say who it is, but because that may be not the right thing to say at this point, but it is in the household and it's very sad development at this point. Agreed. Yeah, so the next meeting, the real full NPA meeting will be next October, or sorry, October 14 next month. That's what I meant to say. We meet every second Thursday of the month at 630 usually runs to like about eight or 830. And yeah, it's a great time. And local politicians come and give updates and people looking to make, make stuff happen in the neighborhood, come talk about. And the public will also be able to forum, just like tonight. So if there's any public look in the forum, raise your hand, either with the app or, you know, on video. So we've got no one in the audience, except for Tony, Tony, you want to forum got two minutes. All right. Listen, thank you very much Kevin and, and I'm glad that we have, we've got some people who are willing to serve as and compete for positions on the redistricting advisory committee. I didn't speak at our regular meeting because the beginning of the meeting was very, very difficult with audio visual issues. But I was going to speak and I'm going to talk why I asked to speak tonight about housing. This is a constant problem. And it's, it's, it's far more serious and my own experience recently finding a very well known person I've known for some time. Who's a senior who literally is on the street and homeless at one time did have help but is not getting it right now. I believe that that the inequality in our city is perhaps one of the one of the major issues. And right now we have 1000 still 1000 people on the wait list at the housing authority. So we can parse that out and it comes out to basically one out of 10 Burlington residents who are non college students, one out of 10 people is is have applied and are seeking affordable housing help in the form of 30% income max rent. And the state of Vermont itself does not provide one unit of such help. I'm on the community of Vermont elders policy committee and it's an issue there. I think that we're finally getting to the point where the city itself should be funding. We if we had a penny for for housing. Housing assistance basically like the section eight we could fund 120 units. The state could obviously do hundreds. And this is this is really critical particularly in our two wards which are probably 75% renters and where a lot of the 1000 households seeking housing assistance in the city are located so I would put it I put a challenge out to each of our city and to our state representatives and senators to sponsor and push for at least a demonstration program of 10 to 15 units of truly affordable housing assistance like the Fed section eight and vouchers. And I think it's it's it's about the time is now we should not be waiting and I just think that this is the critical issue. In addition to pedestrian safety in the city. Thank you. All right, thank you Tony. All right. So that brings us to the next item if there's no other takers for public forum. Doesn't look like it. So, CTO folks I could use some guidance here. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And Molly. Really is all steering committee. What do you, what do you think we should do? I mean, we've got, we've got two attendees in the audience. We have two. Of the three candidates and only. And they're both from Ward three. The other is Ward two and he's not present. I think that's how the city council resolution was written that there would only be an election if there was more than one person interested. So that might be you hope right now. If that is the case. That's a big help. At least takes care of half the equation. I'm just going to give it to the person from Ward two.  You are alone can cast the one vote or do whatever is necessary to inform the winner. Right. Right. It's less of a vote and more just like I wanted to resign before it was elected. So, so as for the word three folks. Why don't we deal with what we have and, and you know, have the people who want to be the representative for Ward three, say a few words of introduction and maybe stand for questions. Okay. Does that send to both of you. Christopher Chris and Daniel. So we were. We were hoping to maybe talk beforehand if I wasn't, you know, at work then. So sort of one of us could decide to take on the role. So I'd be willing to drop out. I mean I do feel strongly that you know it's an important process, but I feel like the timeline is is very short. Although it would be nice to kind of be part of these like first steps in this redistricting process. I think it's important that we fight for more community feedback, more citizen education over a longer time period, and that the NPA is do their role to kind of make sure the city is making the right decision and really investigating all of the alternatives to the current council sort of configuration. So even if I don't am not part of the process in this role. I look forward to continuing on in whatever steps may follow and give feedback. Right on.  Daniel's no longer should I'm happy to serve. This has been a long standing interest of mine since the last process. Really with the development going on in the city, the new camera rise over more seven, I think they very far as the former quarry over one, I think the population is certain such that there probably is going to need to be some re examination of how the more boundaries drawn. I know that the statute requires that there to be within I think 10% deviation. Yeah, that's good, but I think you can probably ought to do better for me it's really about trying to open a transparent process. That is, you know, free of partisan influence I think we really need to try to do the best we can to make sure we have as close as possible to each work, we try to keep, you know, neighborhoods together draw a line to the middle year down the middle of the street and we can help it and just try to make sure it's open and given this opportunity of work here with the folks at the MPA to set up some additional opportunities for the people of war three to weigh in. And also would like to see about having some type of mailing set out to educate people. Share the sentiment that many folks have said regarding the press timeline, I think that that my view is all more recent what we need to do everything we can to educate and get people involved in the process and hold the hearings and get them out. And again, my priorities are just making sure that we have continuous wars for districts. And they are as close to population as possible. Right on. Cool so so. I'm going to make a motion. If the two gentlemen apparently are in agreement that war as a as a resident of Ward three, Kevin. I hereby nominate Chris Hasley to be our representative to the redistricting committee. And and I think that we could have a second motion, a second action to regarding, depending on the outcome of this vote, we could have a second motion that would deal with Daniel being it being a the alternate that we would select. Tony, maybe, maybe before that, that motion, I see someone has their hand raised so maybe we can hear from them first. Sure, sure. And I want to say motion has been made. So if we want to second it would be open for discussion anyway, and comments would be appropriate. I second it and then I would like to talk at some point. So are we okay and move on to Christopher Aaron. Okay, so my understanding. Okay. Yeah. Christopher Aaron. Good evening everybody so I have my question is regarding the eight ward and four district breakdown of city council. I understand that this was a recent change I believe in the last census. I'm curious to hear from some city counselors that they don't like the way that it's made up currently. And some people are interested in returning to a what it was eight wards with two counselors each body. I'm curious to hear what what this NPA has to what the opinions are of the residents of this NPA. So that's kind of a question I have for the group it's maybe not 100% on subject but it's it's relevant and so I'm kind of curious about especially how a long term residents have felt about this. So that's that's my question for this evening. Thank you. If you're asking that because that is a good question. The moderator and me is saying that that's just it's it's it's too far off. Like the impetus of what we're what we're here to do right now. I'm wondering if it would be better to well if you're if you're hold on one sec just one second please. So, would you be willing to instead just come to our next regular meeting and we can put you on the agenda we can have a Q&A like you know or we can I mean sure I'd love to I'd love to talk about it with a larger group but there are some people here present this evening whose opinions I really value on the subject plus we're talking about sending a representative into talk about redistricting apparently from the city's slides it looks like the greatest variation in population came about in wards like one in seven war three seemed almost parallel to where it was 10 years ago, probably because there was no housing here. There was no place else to put them. But I don't think that our ward really has has a much of a risk I think that war two might have some modifications coming up but I think that war three is really safe but that breakdown and redistricting really and creates this for district council is district so I'm just kind of curious so wherever you want to talk about it I just I'm very curious to hear what some people in the group have to say about it. Gotcha. And thank you again. Absolutely. Thank you for being involved and thank you for, you know, being here. Kevin, I feel like that's a legitimate question to ask somebody we're about to, you know, what they think they might not have an opinion or they might have one but I, and I have some questions as well. But he, I would agree if he was only asking the candidate but it sounds like he's asking just like various people in the in the call right now. Okay. Otherwise, I would 100% agree that that would be appropriate in this, like, you know, for this item. I just I just think that like it's too big of a question we could, we could talk about this for, you know, another hour or two, you know, like, maybe I could direct my question directly at the candidates, and then if that inspires other attendees to ask a question of the candidates on the same subject maybe we can have a full review of other people's opinions. Do you follow my work around on that. It sounds like there might be one or two other people interested in the subject also so maybe maybe an answer is given by candidates will prompt another attendee to ask a follow up question and we can all try and have a little bit larger of an understanding. And this is the whole point of, of, you know, appointing a candidate tonight is that they go out and like engage with people in their ward and like get their feedback and like, you know, to gather that information. Okay, you know this is just to like move forward with the process. Fine, maybe, maybe I could just be a simple question to the two candidates, like, do you support modifying the redistricting to include districts, like we have currently or remodification or redistricting to allow for just something that accommodates to counselors for a board. And then I can hold off and I can maybe reach out to Tony or and other people privately. Brenda. Barbara, sorry. Yeah, I'm out of here. So, I'm going to have a district model, you know, if the district over later towards how that will look like that I'm still kind of wrapping with that but as Kevin has noted this is an advisory role here is not to come into other person's advocate for what we believe personally say, you know, this is what I'd like to see our job is to walk solicit the input of the community, particularly Ward three to get their input. I certainly have my personal opinions and feelings on the matter and how I'd like to see it but it's not up to me to decide this up to us to go out with the opinions and based on that solicitation, say hey, I've talked to people in my war and you know, this is the vibe I'm getting this is the sense of getting in case of those conversations that people in our work really are concerned about this and people who really want to see these types of changes. And that's how it be a role is to really go out and be more of a facilitator and get the input, really try to get as many people involved in the process so that we can come up with a position or come back to the larger community as a position to say word three fields x y. But I do have some concerns about the current model and I thought that, you know, award model previously which was seven area whatever the magic number to speak with two people for me towards to just seems a little similar and as Wendy co the word three or two at the last week's meeting, you know, from a candidate's perspective I think it makes it a little more challenging to campaign. So, it's kind of, you know, I think it's really about getting the important larger. Well put. Thank you. That's great. Thank you. Dan, Daniel, you raised your hand. Yeah, I mean, I definitely agree but I'm still like, going back to that like five week timeframe, I feel like that's too little time to consider the alternatives. Like we don't know really what they are. I know in the case of the previous reapportionment.  I changed them to attendee so now they keep they popped back over to panelists. Weird. Anyway, it's a good point about the time frame and based on just the discussion at last week's meeting at the school by Alan Street and then the feedback we heard from some of the folks that had participated in the process earlier in the summer from the other words, there definitely seems to be a lot of concern about the timeline and maybe one of the things that you know the larger community for us back to say, look, this is an important thing. But my recommendation is this point is to take a longer time here so that if you really have a thoughtful deliberation about it. I'm certain we're going to advocate for that five weeks is a very short timeframe. Thank you. All right. So with that. Do we have to do anything more on the boat on the motion that was seconded by Barbara to like fully confirm or say no folks I could use it. Use some advisement. So the motion was for Chris to take the role and for Daniel to be the alternate. Yes, and Barbara seconded it. Okay, so if you want to vote on that. Now is a full sense. Okay, so everyone from Ward three would vote correct. Cool. All right. So yeah, everyone, everyone from Ward three raise your hand to, to, you know, confirm. Chris as a candidate. All right. I think any, any nays. Charlie says yes. attendees that your hands are still up I'm guessing that those are for yeas. I get there's no way for them to respond. Right. Yeah, so I mean, can we have them unmuted or anything? They can, they can speak if they'd like to. Yes. There's an answer in the q amp a. Yeah. Awesome. I didn't want to assume just for the record. Cool. Thank you, Chris for, for bearing with us through all this and Daniel. Thank you for, you know, for also parent with us on this.  And I look forward to engaging more with you about this. And we've got each other's email so maybe you're not going to the other talk because I'd like to keep you involved too, since you've probably happened to say with you first and first, so if you can get a strong interest as well. Amazing. Thank you. Right on. Thank you. Both of you. And thank you everybody for being here. I think with that, we can adjourn. I adjourn this special media of the NPA. Have a good night, y'all.


the question of like how feminism plays into the sexual revolution and the degree to which are we living in a patriarchy? Are we living in a matriarchy perhaps?  If so, like why are they so miserable? Anakachyan had some really interesting insights on that. Can we roll that?  We finally found a way to have it all and yet we're still not happy. Realistically, men really only had a few decades of enjoying the fruits of the pill before Title IX and Me Too made male sexuality presumptively illegal and yet here we are still having the same debate from the same assumptions. Women are objectified and oppressed though it's no longer clear by whom. The patriarchy is alive and well though apparently there's also a crisis of masculinity. No offense but the idea that we live in a society where men are in charge is funnier than anything Tim Dillon has ever said. Both men and women are invested in maintaining the fiction that women are the fairer sex, not operating out of ordinary incentives just like everybody else. If you disagree you're either autistic or an incel or both which means you're right-wing and you're not entitled to an opinion. The problem we now face is that this unofficial style has been officially baked into the system. The most problematic legacy of feminism is that it made topping from the bottom the top down procedural thing. So my beef with the sexual revolution has less to do with its incoherent attitudes towards sex than with the way the resulting chaos has been leveraged to capture the institutions, the university, the media and so on. What this means in practice is getting rid of the sexy 60s counterculture stuff while keeping the sexless school marm HR department stuff. I mean this is the view that I think most closely aligns with how I get things. I really appreciate her bringing the Title IX and Me Too era into this and basically saying if we're living in such a patriarchy why is it that there is so much you know so many so much HRfication of our institutions that end up in many cases depriving men of due process and acting frequently with this assumption that they have erred that they have done something wrong when in reality the facts don't necessarily support that. How did you react to Anna's clip? I mean she's like I'm quite sympathetic to a lot of it. Again this might be like the part of the opposition that I like agreed with the most.  To be clear I think it's worth it. I grew up in a culture where we didn't really have feminism and it was worse than the way men have it today quite clearly but that doesn't mean men don't have it bad today and I think like we're just like a bunch of primates kind of reacting to what came before in unnuanced and uncompassionate ways and I think like as a culture we're sort of doing a thing where like man women had it shitty for a long time now men should have it shitty. What are men good for anyway? Which is another big part I feel like I don't hear talked about is like men used to have the function of dying in wars and fighting bearers and there's no more wars and no more bearers to fight but like women are still giving birth to children and having to do childcare that's like an ancient burden that hasn't gone away and so we're like why why men like I think we sort of culturally figured that like the balance of inherent gendered obligations is now no longer like men are paying their fair share in some way which of course is not their fault but I think this is partly some of the reason why we're seeing this general backlash so we just need artificial wombs so then we can make it even. Yeah I mean what I hear in that clip is that there's a that you know Anna thinks and I think there's a lot to what she's saying that the discourse is sort of stuck in a past reality that does not exist anymore and that doesn't exist. In some ways it doesn't exist.  Give viewers I mean Zach and I know a little bit about this from an earlier interview two years ago that we did with you but give viewers a little bit of a sense of the background that you come from. Yeah just conservative fundamentals to evangelical homeschooled Christianity in Idaho like you know pastor type dad in a stay-at-home housewife mom where I was expected to grow up and become a housewife. Yeah I remember asking my parents like why why do you think I should go to college if I'm supposed to be a housewife and they answered well you can go to college to get a little bit of education so that you can homeschool your children and of course meet a husband there.  Yeah so do you feel like there there's a sort of romanticization going on in that debate because I mean I know I watched the whole thing in preparation for this and you know both Luis and Anna say like they're not for you know getting rid of abortion or rolling back access to birth control there's basically no policy changes that they're proposing but it seems to be more about a vibe or something like that especially in Anna's case like that we have this weird battle ongoing battle of the sexes that is mediated by some HR type bureaucracy. So like I mean do you share that sense and is there a way to break out of that sort of rigid regulation of sexual norms without reverting to the like oppressive you know of barefoot in the kitchen for every woman past? There's this like the concept of I mean I'm actually forgetting the term but it's like when a new religion starts it's really aggressive and terrible at surviving like early Christianity or like what new converts to Christianity tend to be way more devout and insane than people who like grew up in it for many generations like when Islam first started it was like go kill everybody and now like we have a lot of people who are Muslim have like a watered down version. I think this is like a natural process and I think right now we radically changed our tech suddenly we're having sex without getting pregnant this is crazy society has changed very rapidly and I think that we're in the process of like very early stage cultural rearrangement. I have kind of good faith that like in the same way that a new social tech in the past like took a while to like calm down and stop destroying everything like we developed sort of a mimetic immunity in the same way we're going to have this like we're like trying to figure out how to handle it like people have freedom and they're mad at the previous thing and they're like lashing out and reacting and men are going ah this hurts me and like this is just not sustainable like in order for a civilization to thrive we're going to have to figure out how to move forward and my guess is that this is not going to look like shaming women who are socio-sexual like you can't have like a wonderful thriving society without generating backlash by alienating a portion of your members this is just not going to work so figuring out some sort of system where we're like hey wide varieties of what you want are okay if you wouldn't want to do the pride and prejudice all the way sex in the city like we're going to be here for you and also maybe have compassion for men I don't know like I think just like learning to have cultural compassion because like right now men are sort of the other they're they're considered like the villain role and I think as more people are like giving birth to men and raising men and like figuring out how to make that work I think we're going to see us chill out culturally what was the thing said on the debate stage that you most disagreed with something onto the clips that we showed I mean I mean I don't remember but probably if they were talking about violent porn at all that's usually the one where I'm like that mostly I can find like a good argument for the other side like well yeah I could see it you know this too for some people but with the that's always the thing that gets me as like oh the other male sexuality like oh we're catering to like men want to just have ridiculous sex with women that women don't want I mean in a way your you it seems your project is to push the sexual revolution further because you are an advocate for decriminalizing legalizing all sex work that would be a major change in American culture do you have any expectations as to if that were ever realized what would that look like like what what sort of changes might we expect and are we as a as a culture are we are we ready for that given this ongoing battle of the sexes or whatever we want to call it I mean like legal we legal and culture are different questions and they're hard like if I like we're in control would I change the laws sure if I were control would I change culture like I don't think I'm I don't I can't even see them how to do that I think has to be a slow change and I mean to some degree I'm trying by doing things like this like being a public sex worker and to be like hey guys it's okay there's lots of ways to be a human and they're not wrong just because they're different from you but I yeah decriminalizing sex work would be a fantastic start like if you're going to protect classes at all I would like people like sex workers to be protected along with other minorities like sex workers can't often have trouble getting loans for houses participate in the financial system are often debanked we've had like you know operation choke point as I'm sure you're familiar went and did have a massive chilling effect on anybody doing business with anything that might be considered obscene yeah and this is all just making it hard to survive and to do business with sex even if everybody involved is consenting adults I think it's like a massive shame hey thanks for watching that clip from our conversation with Ayla about porn laws the sexual revolution and the freedom to browse the internet privately and speak anonymously you can watch another clip right here or the full conversation over here


We're coming to the meet-up right here. We're going to a meet-up today over at Boonu Donuts. One, two, three, boom. It's parking spot right across the street. Look at all these people here from the meet-up. Some more people over here. Thanks, Uriah, for signing my bus. Lex, hi. Hi. Hi. Yeah, I've tested out cars and signed it. And I'm surprised, actually, how many people have been watching me and everybody's whole journey with me and stuff. So that's been super cool. Yeah, it's been awesome. And now we're actually across the street, haven't even made it to Boonu Donuts yet. But we need to get over there, then maybe do some more tours after the donuts. Right, so before we even got to Boonu Donuts, we have a massive crowd out here, which is awesome. Thanks, everybody, for coming. But I fear that some people might be over there and not know that we're here. So we're going to move the herd over this way. Oh, look who came to the meetup, guys. Yeah, it's Christian. I'm coming to Portland and I see him drop a message like, be there for the Portland meetup. I'm like, I'm not going to tell anyone. I'm just going to show up. And then you messaged me, though. You knew I was in town. I saw your Instagram thing in Laura's last night and I was like, wait, they're in Portland. What are you guys doing in Portland? Dude, that is so funny. I'm so happy to see you, man. Just so you know, the line wasn't big enough before we got here. Now it's going to get twice as big. So let's go get a bacon maple bar. What's up? Yeah. Subscribe to Jacks Austin. These guys right here came all the way from Seattle and stayed here last night just to meet the Voodoo Nonettes, right? Yeah. So if we do a Seattle meetup, will you guys come? Yeah, for sure. Do you think the Fremont Troll is a good idea? Yeah. All right, you should tell them what it is. I think after this park, too. OK. I got to ask, what on earth is this bucket of donuts? It was $10. It was only $10. $10? Yeah. That's a, I want one of these things. Yeah, I can't win. You and Josh have been talking about how we've been on a diet. So when you're on a diet, you got to get a bucket of donuts, please. Oh my god, look, I got donuts. Dude, no. Yes. Yes. I could barely hold it. Jacks, why? Because we're on a diet. Dude, I just got this. You got way too many donuts. Well, actually, because I want to give some to these guys right here. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, Jack. Here, have a donut, but not my bacon maple bar. I was going to say, I just want the bacon. Oh, man, I know. I do, too. Hang on. Here, have a donut, though. We might do a Seattle meet up. Bye. Nice to meet you. We've been giving out donuts so far. I'd say we gave away maybe one third. They're getting a little melty and hot, but they're still tasty.  But I see a dude who looks a little on the hungry side. So let's go see if he wants a donut this morning. You want a donut? Heck, yeah. The whole, you got the whole thing, your choice. Oh, I'd like the chocolate ring underneath. Yeah, go for that one. There you go. You want another one? Double-fisted. Double-fisted, I'll count. There you go. Attaboy. Thank you. You're welcome. We've got the remaining crew here. We're going to head back over to Danny Adventure Bus to a little tour. Some people are going to sign the bus as well. And I still got more than half of this bucket of donuts that I got to give out. So where are you guys from? We're from Los Angeles. What are you doing up here? Visiting. Well, I'm visiting her. She's here for the John Mayer concert. Our friend of ours is too. Yeah. He was awesome. He was amazing. Although he didn't play a couple songs that I really loved. So he's a little disappointed there. But he can't complain about another one. Oh, that's cool. As many as you want. Cool. Yeah. You want a napkin or anything? Yeah, I'll get you one. Bye, guys. Nice meeting you. Later. All right. So we're going to head over to OMSI for a volcanic eruption or something with the crew. Some additional crew. We haven't met yet. A Jax. Nice to meet you. Hi, nice to meet you. We're leaving Danny Adventure Bus. We're jumping in a lift. And we're heading over to see some volcano worlds. I don't know, some world record volcano thing. This seems like a very Oregon thing to do to come out on a Sunday and check out a man made volcano. Make it come to the Seattle one too. I know it's kind of far. Good to see you. All right, you too. Hope to see you next week. All right. Cool. All right, it was nice meeting you guys. See you. I've been offering donuts.  I'm like, heck, yeah, you can. So here, knock yourself out. I was thinking of going and getting a donut. Oh, really? Well, we got more donut takers over here. All right. I was just looking over there. The whole bucket's like 10 bucks. Because these are yesterday's donuts. Why don't you just take the whole bucket, because I'm going to be walking around. And then you can share with your friends. Sound good? Cool. See you, man. By the way, guys, look who came to hang out too. Kendra. Whether it's the tongue sticking out yet again, just like the last video. Yeah, I realized I did that last time. I was like, damn it. That's your look. So I'm going to give $6 to this photographer and artist, all in one, because guess what? We're going to give you guys a magnet. I would ask you guys which one you want, but I'll just pick one I think you guys might like from Portland, Oregon. How about, shoot, can you help me? Portland, Oregon. Or this guy. That guy's cool too. There's so many cool, did you take all the pictures here? I did, yep. They're all hand signed. Last name's Travis. How about this one, a nice black and white hand signed by Travis. Awesome, thank you. All right, so here's how to win. Just comment in the thing, hashtag magnet power. Or magnet, whatever. Just hashtag something magnet. Thank you so much. This kind of stuff would be perfect for the bus right here. I swear, this is way better than the one I got originally. Oh my gosh. I need adventure. Yes, uh-huh. Yes, I think I'm going to buy something at the store. It looks like I found my piece of wood here. Let the adventures begin. Looks like we found some of the coolest cards known to man. What's the name of this place? You got it right here. A little sun.  Sure are. Yeah, cool. Every Saturday and Sunday. Come over here and buy this guy's art. This is awesome stuff. Remember when I was in the Whole Foods? Was it Whole Foods? I don't know, the shop in Boise, Idaho? Well, look what I just found, my favorite hot sauce. And it's funny when I said that. This guy said, straight up. Straight up. Yeah, he completely agrees. So we got to get some art of our sauce for the salmon that we're going to have tonight. My haircut, man. Oh yeah, you did. It's not bad. I can't see it right now because of the light, but it's all good. There we go. Pressure goes. By the way, we're going to give these guys a ride back over to the other side. I'm not even going to add it in. I forgot the donuts on my hood. So Josh has a place he wants to go, but you have to watch this video to see. Thanks so much for coming. Nice to meet you. Can I get a cart? Heck yeah. Boom, there you go. There's the cart. Where is YouTube channel? There's a card. You can have one too if you want. If not, you can toss it on the trash. No hard fields.  So hungry.


But all that's the name of my new show is starting this September on the FX network and draw it all Len draws it all Len draws the world It's sort of like think Simon from Hello, my name is Simon. Yeah brought to the 21st century. So it's just 30 minutes of you drawing. It's Yes, but I'm also capturing criminals. So ah very cool. Yeah, so it's got a twist. Yeah, it's gonna be great It's after Gotham. It's gonna be great. Good lead in or is it very very strong? I don't know. I don't know how Gotham has been doing these days You know, I saw the little thing for Gotham and I'm like, oh, they're bringing Robin in and then I realized no That's that's Batman. Like they haven't even brought the Batman in yet. Like he hasn't even become Batman yet. Yeah He hasn't begun yet. Like what? Okay. All right, family's a big fan of uh, I Don't watch as much TV as I would like but my family's a big fan of Gotham. So they They like it because they love it actually my wife recourse the whole season and then benches it I used to hear about like it's gonna start Kicking, you know, but yeah Well, that's what happened with arrow arrow once they actually started to really get into the superhero stuff instead of having it Kind of in the background of a gossip girl episode Shrib Dawson's Greek it started taking off. So I feel like maybe that's what you're talking about with Gotham, too Is anyone watched Riverdale? I Haven't yet. Oh everyone it seems to get really good reviews and I think Riverdale is the It's like a high school show, right? Well, it's based on the Archie comic book You know Archie Jughead, but they put him in kind of a almost surreal like setting where It's almost like it's satirical where you have like this perfect, you know town Filled with all these like fifties not fifties But kind of a very safe community aesthetic with a CD underbelly that's slowly bubbling to the surface All right, so it's kind of like taking the whole thing. Well, the reason I asked is because I believe Yeah, that um Riverdale is filmed at my old high school. Oh nice. Oh nice. Yeah, in fact, that's right because I'm looking it up now It's funny because I'm so I went to Emily high school in Sevastopol and For like the whole last year the front of the like main building And so there's like there's like this very concerned Facebook group of like alumni being like, why did they change the name of our school? They didn't it's fine. Yeah. All right. You guys ready? Yep Here we go Do you like listening to advertisements me neither want to help and support greatest directly that had to daily tech news show comm slash support and help us reach our new milestone today This is the daily tech news for Friday, September 22nd 2017. I'm Tom Merritt and I'm Sarah Lane and joining us today is IT consultant Keith Townsend from the CTO advisor comm welcome Keith. Thanks for having me. Thank you for joining us Also on the show, I'm gonna get so much better. I promise This is just we're in beta still I need a firmware update as as he is on many Fridays is Len Peralta He is joining us and he will be drawing live during the show. Hi Len. Hey, what's going on? It's great to have you here. It's amazing Told you you do it go team Excellent, you did in fact you were super enthusiastic about it. We didn't we didn't make our milestone in quite the time I think you said it would only take us a weekend and it ended up taking us a couple weeks But still still much less than the month that we gave ourselves so everybody's feeling pretty good about things This is moving forward. It's great. Yeah. Yeah, so we have one more week of the old way of doing things It's not gonna change that dramatically and then Sarah will be with us starting on October 2nd every day And with us every day right now is DTNS producer Roger Chang. He's in the house or at least a house. I am the speaking web page Roger the talking web page. All right, let's start with a few tech things you should know Macrumers noted a support document on Apple's website Which says that 4k TV shows and movies from the iTunes store can only be streamed not downloaded in 4k Which if you're using an Apple TV, it doesn't really make that much difference Apple previously announced though that HD versions of videos would be upgraded to 4k at no charge Now it sounds like that won't apply to your downloads or your offline viewing Sources tell Reuters that T-Mobile USA and Sprint are close to a merger agreement and could announce a deal as early as next month According to the sources, the deal would be Softbank Which owns Sprint holding somewhere between 40 and 50 percent just under 50 percent of the new combined company with Deutsche telecom which owns T-Mobile USA still retaining the majority. I sort of wish we would just keep it at 4 but At least at least it's not AT&T and Verizon left alone at the top. So at least we'll have a third Here's some more top stories transport for London announced Friday It has concluded that uber is quote not fit and proper to hold a private hire operator license that's that's Speak for being a cab the regulator cited unsatisfactory reporting of criminal offenses The accusations that they sort of illicitly obtained medical certificates. So that's related to an Indian story improperly and Insufficiently running background checks and the fact that they use the grayball software at all to evade regulators They're accused of doing that in Portland particularly the license for uber will expire on September 30th And will not be renewed uber does get to appeal the decision They have to up to 21 days to do that and we'll be allowed to continue to operate while the appeal happens So on September 1st, you don't lose uber It'll take a little while for the appeal to be heard John from what he calls surprisingly hot cream Ridge, New Jersey hot cream Wrote in pointing out that his company uses uber when it flies in workers and clients to England He was once stuck with a faulty sim card when he landed and was forced to take a black cab to central London and it cost him 75 pounds Addison Lee the private drivers that they used to get would cost them 200 pounds whereas uber was usually 35 pounds So he's like this is gonna drive up costs for us Yeah, the last time I was in London it was over a year ago But uber was certainly operating and it was far and wide the cheapest option and often Even though the cabs in London are super ubiquitous and you can hail went off the street pretty easily at peak times The uber was the way for me to get across town and because I was working so it was it was really about most important so, you know there's a point ubers done a lot of things wrong and One might say well, you know, if you're if you're a shady company You should be punished and you shouldn't be able to operate in a big metropolis like London, but who ends up suffering Yeah, I I mean There's another company called taxify that is is undergoing a ban itself There there's a there's a company that was is trying to get off the ground as their competitor So it's not like uber is the only one in the world that can provide this kind of service But the black cabs are really fighting this and and on their side black cab drivers have to go through a lot more To become a driver. They have to take tests showing geographical knowledge They're very sophisticated They they essentially become human GPS To become a black cab driver so I can see why they'd be a little put out that somebody can just you know sign up for uber And start driving around the next day Yeah, I I I agree Real quick before we move on I'm curious what you make of this constant battle that uber is in with cities around the world So, you know what I'm I love talking to uber drivers or every city that I go to they seem to love the Opportunity to make it some extra money, but for people who depend on it as they living My wife does it from time to time to make a couple of extra bucks and every time she does it You know, it's really not worth the money So it is definitely one of those things from an economic perspective economic class perspective perspective that is super frustrating I'm just really on is enabling technology I have a lot of family members that make a living from it and they it's changed their lives literally to The the just nastiness of what who uber is as a company So, you know what company you love to you will want to root for if they were just good people I mean, there are some good people working at uber Yeah, you know, we like to pick on them the truth be told that Uber has enabled a completely different change of lifestyle if you are in an area that has very little Public transportation and uber rents your car to and all you have to do is uber two days a week to pay for that car That's life changing for a lot of people. So uber has changed a lot of lives So we pick on them, but the company itself Has enabled a completely different economy that most of us don't see and a lot of people have left uber recently So it's a different staff that it used to be to right on lots of levels I mean, I know some sort of mid-level engineers who have left without naming names who have left because the company culture was untenable men and women All right, moving on moving on Bloomberg reports Hewlett Packard Enterprise plans to cut 10% of its staff, which is about 5,000 workers So it's you know, it's a big chunk by the end of the year CEO Meg Whitman previously told analysts that she wants to Cut layers in the organization to make it more efficient. So of course, that's what she's going to say The company aims to save 1.5 billion dollars over three years with the new restructuring It's a lot. Oh there's a you know, somewhere Michael Dell is smelling and Really enjoying this news not the loss of jobs, but HPE shrinking itself to strength I get into DM conversations with Michael Dell all the time around the Dell EMC strategy versus HPE strategy of shrinking and refocusing and he loves competing and beating up on HPE So I can't imagine him. Well, I can't imagine him looking back and just granny as He posted the other day Dell EMC profits and growth is way better than what he thought they would be and HPE seems to be just chopping themselves into little bits and pieces, but I'm a big fan of the company I have an event on the 12th where there, you know, we're gonna talk cloud and HPE cloud strategy I want to see if Meg strategy is working and the company is starting to refocus and is meeting the needs of Their their consumers. Yeah, she needs to get this company and fight in shape and nice and efficient by the time They're ready to have a run for president that That's the scuttle, but anyway, yeah, I can see it if you follow her on LinkedIn She is not shy about her politics. No, she's not Earlier this week Epic Games announced a battle royale variant of Fortnight that certainly seems inspired by Blue Hole's player unknown battlegrounds game Blue Hole isn't impressed. They've issued a press release Friday morning stating that Blue Hole worked closely with Epic on the development of player unknown battlegrounds because of the use of Epics on real engine the UE4 engine and that Epic Reference player unknown battlegrounds in its promotions of fortnight and that rubbed them the wrong way And so Blue Hole says the number of similarities between the two games is causing them to contemplate further action which totally caused a tweet storm of people Expressing their opinions on whether they think Blue Hole or Epic Games is in the right here In fact our good fan Patrick Beja was part of the tweet storm. Yes, he was and his His position on this is that Blue Hole doesn't have a leg to stand on that you cannot copyright The the game design you can copyright the names and the the assets But you can't copyright the design and there's a long tradition of people coming up with their own spin He like many others thinks that what fortnight has done is is just a spin on pu bg And nothing more and and they don't have a leg to stand on Scott Johnson I noticed actually posted. He's like I understand where Blue Hole is coming from but in the end you you really can't stop Epic from from doing this and and it's they're not the first nor will they be the last to come out with a spin I look at this and I'm like well team fortress 2 and Overwatch are similar Overwatch is a much more sophisticated Version just by virtue of being a newer version than team fortress 2 and it's also Totally different in lots of ways. So this is just the evolution of games There's there's only so many types of games that are successful and that people want to play well It's almost like I mean if I could liken it to movie genres It's like a design of a mood like you can't design a certain Or you can't you can't claim ownership of you know a shaky camera or a drama or you know it's like Battlestar Galactica got accused of ripping off Star Wars, but You know you could argue whether they did or whether it didn't it wasn't illegal for them to make Battlestar Galactica, right? Exactly. It's not a logo exactly. Yeah, you know alright candy crush versus Texas, Texas Yeah, exactly. No, there's all kinds of examples like that I mean thank goodness candy crush is sort of like Tetris because I liked Tetris to begin with so it just made me play Candy Crush that much fun Apple haters you might sort of like this story anyway or feel a little shodden for it Anyway, the iPhone 8 and the 8 plus those are the new models, but slightly less cooler than the iPhone 10 phone models announced earlier this month went on sale at Apple stores today But without a ton of crowds or fanfare at least not the numbers that you've seen in previous years Seen it points out this probably has a lot to do with people holding out for the iPhone 10 Which isn't in stores until November This is also the first time that Apple split the launch of new iPhone models altogether So it's a brave new world out there. Yeah, and don't forget Apple Watch series three out today Apple TV 4k out today not that especially the Apple TV But but not that those are the kind that would normally cause huge lines They are smaller volume products But it is weird to see a new iPhone out and and not see the massive lines I kind of feel like maybe this is good news For Apple in that it means enough people are waiting for the iPhone 10 Now it also could mean that we won't see as big a line for the iPhone 10 because some people did bother To get the iPhone 8 and aren't going to get the 10 now, you know Apple also they really started to shy away from this whole like yeah Crowds outside of the Apple store is be and they were really pushing pre-orders and ordering online Which is what I've been doing for years now. So I think that factors in as well it's just it's just not the big spectacle that it used to be and certainly by Staggering the launches of the two phone models It's clear that Apple doesn't really care that much who's going into the store versus ordering online. Yeah, Keith Where do you where do you fall in the whole iPhone Android neither both? Side of the argument. Oh, I think I've reached maximum Smartphone with my iPhone 6s plus I'm pretty happy with it. I like to have phone jack. It takes fairly decent pictures I can actually live stream and in post pictures to YouTube from it Yeah, I went we'll probably go into the store this weekend. Take a look at the phone, but 900 bucks. I usually buy my phones right out outright. So spending another 950 bucks a thousand 50 bucks on another phone I think I'm good. I'll pass. Yeah. Yeah, I like how you said I like the headphone jack I do like the headphone jack.  Yeah, it happened to me as well I actually run with the AirPods and I know I'm not like not all people can pull that off because they fall out a lot of People's ears, but I'm lucky enough that they don't and I have to say that is great Because they don't have the wire hanging around my neck or anything, but I have run into Some frustration with not having a headphone jack in other situations, especially when I need to listen to something in charge at the same time Walmart and smart lockmaker August are testing a new service that would allow delivery personnel to bring packages into your house when you're not home In fact, the test includes grocery delivery, which means they'll actually put your Milk and eggs and cheese in the refrigerator for you So when you come home, everything's just nice and put away Users will give a one-time use code to their August lock that will be used by personnel from to live That's the service who's gonna be doing this for Walmart test will take place in Silicon Valley, and they don't have a price yet They say that that's one of the things they're researching is what would people willing to pay for this sort of service We do a pre-show survey across the board There was no one who was enthusiastic about letting people into their house when they're not home Even if you have the August Smart home camera that where you can watch the people and I know people in our analysts slack We're very down on this idea as well Sarah is there an argument to be made why you would want to do this? This is one of these. Hey, let's fix a problem that no one's really complaining about. Yeah I don't like to go grocery. That's actually not true. I don't mind it But sure grocery shopping is time consuming and you gotta do the whole rigmarole It's like it would be nice if I got home from work one day and my refrigerator was just stacked and Stocked for that matter. I don't want people in my house when I'm not here I have cats you have the door open a second too long. They're gonna run out into the hallway having the August security System where I could see someone steal something will not keep them from stealing it Know about it sooner. Okay. You said hard. No horror I don't this is just it's just a way, you know, some people don't even You know what want to be out of their house when the housekeepers it I just it's It's very it seems so niche who would be comfortable with this Yeah, both of my sons worked at Walmart throughout college and They're fine fine people But I don't trust them to put up my own groceries They'll have a stranger come in my house. Well, this is to live is doing it not Walmart. So You know what it somehow I think that that pool of my college age sons as as potential Employees is the same employment pool. So again, it's just I'm like everyone else I'm very uncomfortable with having a strange person or stranger one same thing or other whether I can see them or not Come in my house. I think I have some anxiety just watching them like who was like, yeah, you know I'm in the middle. I can imagine being in the middle of a Advisory session with a customer and I'm looking at my phone like I have this I have the same I have the same concern that I would not want to do this. I don't have an August lock anyway I'm not gonna go out and get one just for this But I feel weird about it too, but I want to point out that the richer people get The more people they allow in their house when they're not around So there's house cleaners and then gardeners at large estates sometimes have to go into parts of the house and then personal assistance and Drivers and and so that's people have more to lose seem to be more trusting of people in their house I think the only problem with that is that people with of that stature Would just those people go out and get their groceries for them. Anyway, so This market People who have gardeners and and full-time staff, you know are probably shopping at Walmart less than somebody who's looking to get good value Yeah, it's in the middle ground. I think I Know the whole the whole thing is that I mean there's just a person of personal space That people don't wanted don't want to be to have people in shoot-on.  So I I think you'll be surprised how many people end up taking advantage of this I probably won't be surprised. I was just gonna scratch my head Sort of thing where it's like if you are comfortable with this then you are also comfortable with that delivery person using your bathroom Put your cosmetics, right? Don't let them in your house because sometimes people have to go to the bathroom They can replace the toilet paper roll for you and that new new thing a toilet. I guess Just know if they don't use the last of the toilet paper and without replacing, right? 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They're no angel, but it seems that Somebody who's running a highly complex operating system both on the laptop and on the phone seems to do security fairly well Facebook seems to do security very well Google for all its faults seems to be doing better than Equifax So that's what we want to Keith on here today to kind of explain to us Why do these companies like Apple seem to be able to do it? They're large enterprises and these other large enterprises that have our very important information Don't seem to be able to handle it So this is a really and that's a really fair question Tom I mean you think about the iPhone and as complex as of a device it is it is extremely secure the with Enclave for the face Identification and the fingerprint reader and all of the security layers that they put in I think The answer to that is how do people with iPhone still get?  Well install this new profile on this new device profile into your iPhone That is something that the average end user unless your enterprise IT is telling you to do so You really shouldn't do if people still get that and then get men in the middle of text scale break stuff so Apple was able to create Apple and Facebook and Google they're generally just one application So if you look at the iPhone iPhone is generally one application and then API is you know the App Store and Even the browser famously, you know Steve Jobs Fault to finnell to make sure that we never have flash on The iPhone and remember how painful that was in the early days of the iPhone not being able to get basic work done Well that fear of not being able to get basic work done drives the enterprise If you're in a company and let's say your SAP drives 13 million dollars a revenue an hour and SAP team SAP is not a non-stop application. There's no way to patch it while You know while it's up and running and just keep going you have to take it down Spend hours to patch it so that's you know the being counters to say well 10 hours to patch That's 130 million dollars versus the risk of getting hacked how how big Even if we were to get hacked is it a hundred and thirty million dollars worth of damage to the system? If it's just for security and it's not something it's not to can help us continue to make money Then why do it it? You know part of it is cynical another part of it is practical IT teams have to internally fight these bout battles in Convince the manufacturing floor that's producing you know metal projects and bending metal and and putting stuff together materials together that we we need to stop production for 24 hours to patch that's a tough conversation I mean how many of you have been at work and the email goes down and you get Livided with your IT department. Now. When is the email coming back? Well, what if that email had to go down because it's gonna keep you more secure I mean that that that's a small example of what you're talking about I think I think we all face this in our personal lives to Keith like we Constantly are telling people hey put in a second factor and and a very small in a very small way Individuals do exactly the same thing. They're like man. That's gonna take me some time That's a cost that I don't want to put in there and and how risky is it that my Twitter account is gonna get hacked I'm not gonna bother with two-factor today, right? Like it in in macrocosm That's the same thing that an enterprise is saying when they're like well if I do that It's gonna cost me a hundred thirty million dollars And how likely is it that we're really gonna get hacked and it's gonna cost me more than that? Well invent another anodex total story of ten years ago. I was helping the organization lock down there when it was XP desktop, so basic security hygiene Users should not have administrative rights to their local workstation. There's no good reason So let's say you've built an entire logistics process around UPS and and thus the UPS terminal Well, the stupid UPS terminal the software requires admin rights to run So the user has to be logged in as admin to to get their job done that presents a security risk So now the shipping department has to file an exception with IT IT's gonna push back You call UPS you get the first level help desk support and said so, you know what? I need this software to not run as as admin and they kind of get that like have you tried to rebooting He tried turning it off and turning it so it's all of applications Yeah, these are not modern applications And when you talk about fixing the fundamental security flaws in them a lot of times It's out of your organization's control to fix those flaws and sometimes even with it's in if it's in your organization's control You know it's another 20 million dollars Plus, you know that digital quote-unquote transformation project. That's not getting done And so we see this I mean we've seen this over and over I probably the most common example is IE 6 for years a company would have He contracted somebody to build an application for him It ran on IE 6 it breaks in future versions of IE and they don't want to spend the money to hire the company Or maybe even the company without a business and so they keep IE 6 around I think that's finally starting to fade away But that was it and another example of this kind of thing for a long time What what if anything is the solution Keith like it's the same problem with individuals How do you get them to take their own security? Seriously before they get breached. Yeah, I don't think this is going to be one of those things that we You know I have three kids one two of which I can tell them the store the stove is hot Don't touch the stove because if you touch the stove it will burn and it will hurt then there's this one As much as I love her to death But as much as I like the water that the stove is hard hot She has to experience that pain before she realizes. Yeah, you know what the stove is hard hot and that personality type Is a culture within a lot of companies that you you know, I famously had one customer tell me I don't need a firewall because you know, we're only a hundred million dollar business who will want to hack us and That added fighting that attitude, you know, we can continue to as consultants and technologists to Try to educate folks and this is the solution is education, but there has to be a receptive, you know party on the other end I've found over the years that the larger I've worked at all sorts of companies of varying sizes and Things are a little bit different now than they used to be because a lot of people are you know using smartphones And they've got their own machines and it's a little bit more complicated But I find that the larger the corporation the more that the it department size heavily Just on a regular basis You know trying to keep everybody under control and knowing that in in many cases like you pointed out Keith If it means loss of money for the company, it's very easy for someone, you know in a management position to say Okay, understood. This is an issue, but let's just deal with it later Yeah, and though so you'll get in the technology itself is not simple The you know the if you run a windows update, how many times you run a windows update and for whatever reason the two or three Stupid patches critical will not install and you don't know why yeah, well multiply that to 10,000 desktops And if you get 85% effective Deployment rate that's still a huge attack surface that you know They have to send a desktop support technician either the remote desktop to your machine Someone has to connect to your machine to physically solve that problem and that's just at the end point We're not talking about servers routers switches and the rest of their environment security getting your security posture to a point that you have up-to-date software in user education to a point where you're reasonably secure It is a you know that that's just so that just so that the head of security at equal facts That 2.3 million dollars That she was making in that role the role is probably of any Executive role if she was effective, which you know, obviously she wasn't in this case might have been warranted Yeah, no if you stop stuff. Yeah, yeah, absolutely and and I guess if you want to look for a silver lining It's that these Yahoo breeches Equifax breeches Even the SEC breach recently are things you can point to in making the argument Do you want to be them? Do you want to be the the the next one whose head is on the chopping block? You know, maybe it's worth spending the money now. Yeah, up to up to now I have a friend Greg Farrell who's over at the packet pushers. He's been very cynical about this whole security thing he said, you know what the cost of Remediation is less than the actual risk So until the risk equates to Unless remediation is less than the risk then you will will continue to see these things. I mean even Yahoo The Verizon still bottom The CEO of Yahoo still get a major payout I think she might have a Sacrifice one point something million of her payout, which was you know of tens of million dollars of payout Which isn't that big compared to remediating that actual problem would have cost it hundreds of millions of dollars. So It's a tough from a pure business perspective. It's a tough sale. Yeah That's you know, it's not maybe not hopeful But it is going to help people understand this problem better So thank you Keith for helping us wrap our heads around it and thanks to everybody who participates in the show in one way or another You can go to our subreddit and communicate with a bunch of other folks there and submit stories at daily tech news show Reddit.com you can talk with other folks in our Facebook group at Facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show and yesterday Justin Robert Young and Myself asked people to send us Non-plain uses for noise canceling headphones and we heard from a lot of you guys directly and there were a lot of You here are some of the most frequent cases That were sent to us for non-plain uses of noise canceling headphones Open office environment or in one particular case a data center Where the work is loud and you need to shut out your co-workers or the noise That's happening from the HVAC system or the data center spinning Whatever that that by and large was the major response There were also a lot of folks who say I take a train or a bus or even walk To work and I just want to shut out the noise of the city around me mowing the lawn was mentioned quite a bit a lot of folks out there with the noise canceling headphones mowing the lawn vacuuming a Couple of medical uses donating platelets or getting infusion of a prescription medication that takes a couple hours Listening in a busy room at home a few people said just trying to understand something that's low volume Like I'm trying to hear what's in the background of that recording also out on the farm in a coffee shop on the treadmill those were all Examples of people using the noise canceling headphones not on a plane However Sarah Well, yeah, and I also want to say another use case is babysitting Because you know kids are loud and cry a lot. No, I'm just kidding. You don't do that Probably don't do that if you're walking around at night either noise canceling seems like a bad idea But yes, we did get we struck a nerve here on the show yesterday folks were universally skeptical If they needed Google assistant built into headphones That's part of the Bose new headphones that have Google assistant with a little button on the side built in Chris Rodin I am a dairy farmer My only question is do the headphones have the technology to cancel out the noise when speaking into the microphone? If not the integration of Google assistant would be useless for me because Google would constantly be looking up Uh, that that is a particular use case and not thought of and Bob Rodin the QC 352's that's the Bose model are pointless the play button on the existing QC 35s does Siri and Google assistant after a long press about three seconds So great I saved three seconds because Google assistant comes right on with these new headphones Meh, I have an iPhone with Siri already the more I thought the more I more think it's Bose's play into the Google Ecosystem to compete with something like Apple's beat headphones. So they're making sure that they're diversified for that I can't blame them still love Bose and my QC 35 s's I don't really use them unless I'm traveling, but it's not just on plane Yeah, there's sort of like a they're there kind of my fancy headphones I just take out when I'm going somewhere. All right, special occasion headphones Keith. Do you use noise canceling headphones? I do I travel quite a bit and they actually saved my Saved me a good night's sleep one one night I was in a hotel room in New York and I was right underneath the AC or some machinery And it was one o'clock and one I didn't want to go back down to the desk to get a new room I popped in my in-ear bowls turned them on had a good great night sleep Yeah, your ticket to a better night's sleep apparently sometimes noise canceling headphones Such a thank you everyone for responding to that I sent a screenshot on Twitter to Justin Robert Young who put his fingers in his ears and Pretended he was noise canceling himself But but he is aware of all of these uses now as am I? Let's check in with Len Peralta to find out what he has been illustrating in the show Len. Yeah, you know put this in the missed opportunity category after we were talking about putting the Delivery service for groceries. I felt ah, maybe I should have done something with that But I in the end I could not help but kind of dial in on the fit and proper Thing from the uber story fit and proper Very very British thing to say So that's what I drew. I drew a little uber driver as a as a British chimney sweep Hitting down signs for public safety just because they aren't fit and proper governor Yes, it's like the dick van dyke of uber It's a little bit and I'm not of course I am not saying that their uber drivers are going around and killing people and putting a lot of show You don't show any people in danger. No that but that is that is what they said that the public safety was at risk So now fit and proper who knows if you would like a A take on a cockney uber driver driving over public safety signs Go to led brawl to store.com. This is really good. There you go. Yes Excellent. Thank you Keith Townsend for joining us today as well the CTO advisor calm That's with the THC in it the CTO advisor calm. What do folks find when they go to there? Well, they'll find a lot of a daily videos on CTO and senior architect type of issues or problems So that is my competitors site I think the CTO advisor calm the but you'll find the blog in a bunch of tech videos on issues such as data center design Docker containers, etc. Etc. Excellent. So so where should they go? What's the proper place to go the proper place to go the fit and proper face governor is the CTO advisor calm there you go Big thanks to our patrons for making it possible for Sarah Lane to be here every day Start in October 2nd, right Sarah? Yeah, it'll be just like today, but I'll you know be more comfortable or something And I'll you know, how could you possibly art behind me for the occasion? Yeah, it's gonna be great. No, I am so looking forward to it. Yeah, just over a week away So patreon.com slash DTNS. 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We'll keep the information flowing patreon.com slash DTNS and La pod fest is going to feature a special edition of daily tech news show live So if you're in Los Angeles or coming to LA pod fest Make sure you register and get there on Friday at 1 30 October 6th Justin Robert Young is gonna host a special version of DTNS Jeff cannot is gonna be there Darren kitchen is gonna be there and Londoners I'm gonna be with you guys on Monday, October 9th for a meet-up and live recording of the show there You can get all the details and sign up to attend at bit.ly DTNS London our email address is feedback at daily tech news show calm We're live Monday through Friday for 30 p.m. Eastern 2030 utc at alpha geek radio calm and diamond club TV Our website is daily tech news show calm back on Monday with Veronica Belmont talk to you then The show is part of the frog pants network get more at frogpants.com Okay, Doki we started to get some crackling on your your signal Sarah. Oh, really? Yeah, right at the end there Just note that for future reference We'll try to figure out you're fine now and it went away. So I don't know Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I noticed it a little bit in the middle of the show, but it went away by itself. So I'm not sure Beatmaster seems to think it's the scarlet if are you plugged into the scarlet? I'm not no, I'm not even Happening right now Yeah, what could it be? I don't know Um Oh, yeah, um, sorry Keith. I apologize. No problem. That's not a big deal I tried I I don't know what happened. I I actually have a written out as the cto advisor, but no I was but I thought it was right at the top and then I corrected it at the very bottom. It was wrong And that was me that I was so I said it right Right showed the wrong page. I corrected what we showed at the end. So I okay So the the right one came up What about now? How's my audio now? Sounds fine now Well, that's so weird. I just oh wait now break it again. Yep What? Yeah, it started to break it up right then I don't know let's let's let's let's get our title out of the way and then we can troubleshoot this Um, and Keith, uh, I don't remember if you hung around post show with rich last time you're here But it's optional you could go whenever you need to go We stay streaming while we publish and stuff. So Yeah, I'll let you guys go If you guys ever need me again, just let me know. All right. No, it'd be great. I love having you. Appreciate it. Thanks. All right. Cheers Titles uber's london bridge is falling down It's not burglary if you let them in It's robber wait That's only robbery if they take it It's theft. Yeah, okay, but it's not it's not burglary Robbery if you take it off me while I'm there if I'm not there, but they didn't break in then it's theft. Yeah um It size Serilene beta edition security curiosity Lucky londoners apple tv not totally 4k uber's not fitting proper See, uh, london tells uber to hit the road Blue hole sees right against fortnight Fans wait for the 10 apple osborne's it's apple eight Don't clown around with it security Which one do you like? I'm trying to I see only a few security ones and trying to find if there any more Looks like it's not burglary if you let them in it's winning uber's london bridge is falling down. Is it bad either? I would like one on the main topic uh it size it's it size The fork a in the apple tv road is pretty funny Where is is it seen it? I saw somebody answer that the chat room too. He's at sea net Lots of uber stuff. Yeah Trying to find that you get a hack you get no oh it size. Yeah. Yeah, that was good No, you go with that one From beatmaster Wait a minute some That beat is technotronic.  This beat is technotronic Uh, yeah, sarah. Do you have an opinion? Are you still troubleshooting? I'm sorry. Oh, yeah I uh I'm I'm I'm concerned It didn't happen much at all and now it seems to be happening a bunch. So I'm wondering if it's some kind of time based driver issue Well, what do you plug the mic into? my mixer And the mixture goes in via usb Mm-hmm to my to my computer You going through os 10? No, I'm on a windows machine Oh Oh, no I mean this can be plugged into my mac. I just I This setup that we've used before Has not changed. That's why I'm like that's what's so puzzling. Yeah That's what puzzles me. It might be something small like a wire on another wire or something It sounds like it's distorting in the Yeah, I almost thought it was bandwidth related at first But then usually if you get that kind of bandwidth disruption, you also see disruption in the video and I'm not seeing that Oh for pete's sake. Oh pete. Why do you do this pete? I mean, so I I've got these Wireless mics that that clip really easily and I have to like turn the gain way down on the mixer But that's they're they're they're not even on right now. They they shouldn't be Interfering in any way with my setup now and This is not something that anybody has has complained about before That's what is so you haven't experienced it till just now And I can't because I'm not I I still have it quite figured out that you know, so I can't hear Oh, so you can't tell if you're if it's you No, which is just one more reason why I need some sort of ifb solution sooner than later Poodle butcher says pete is a network engineer here. I blame him Sorry But did we go with it size?  Yeah, there's a huge sunflower field near us and it's in full bloom Oh, oh this very nice. Is a stick the bodies No Our sunflowers fall bloomers I well, I guess they are. I mean these are Yeah, well, they I think they were a little bit behind us here. Oh, okay. They are interesting. It's not not climate change Yeah, yeah, that's it Not a whole lot of rain. Did you hear about the huge sunflower fields at the north pole now? It's amazing. Wasn't that from a no, that was from the x-files movie. Was it? Yeah No, it's in the Antarctic I'm excited to go see him You can see him right off the highway here. Is it because you used to play clients versus zombies? No, no No, I just I I want to take some nice pictures. Um, they're just are you going to try to gather sun Beams from them so they can charge up. I'm going to eat them.  Yeah, yeah all Just I'm going to get as many free sunflower seeds get some sunflower seeds. Yeah, exactly I guess there's a lot of them in these in these things and these Flowers well, 10 vex says in wisconsin They had a late corn because of the cool wet spring they had so I wonder if that same for the sun probably I'm just excited to walk through them. I think they're they're starting to get tall too. So and plus yeah I'm trying to do things I never have done before and going to a sunflower field is something I've never done Yeah, let's get it off your bucket list.  I'm checking it off tonight I think maybe we'll see I want a picture of you and Nora skipping through the sunflowers together Who's going to take it though? No wonder.  You're like, wait, are you the same guy that's told my groceries to the guy that gave me my groceries All right. All right. All right Let's get talking to you guys. Good talking to you Len. Good job. Like the art as always. Thank you Thank you so much, Sarah.  I hate intermittent problems the most Well, yeah, I I was I was all pumped about my audio sounding About as good as well not as good as it's gonna get. I do have other Oh, but but sound sounding really good and it was and it is I don't know what this other thing is about. It may it worries me that it's interference of some kind You know because if it's intermittent, it's like It's it doesn't sound like yeah, like after an hour on skype something gets weird, you know, the problems that we're kind of used to Yeah, yeah Not sure that's what it sounded like at first. It sounded like that, you know, syloning as we used to call it right But beatmaster describing it as the scarlet Kind of fits the profile of what it sounds like it sounds like a device is Introducing interference I don't know what that would be real. I mean, I do have like a hundred million things just out of view What uh, what just out of curiosity, what's your ups upload speed? Um, it was 12 megabits per second when I checked yesterday. Okay Although that was over wi-fi so hold on a second. It's just not what it sounds like to me though Let's let's see what I am when I'm then Yeah, my connection has always been Pretty good. I'm not yeah I feel like that's an unlikely culprit if you had told me it was three or something then I'd yeah Take it more seriously, but Yeah, friend of mine. Well, you know her heather frank. She was over the other day um, and You know just kind of like we were just co-working from my house and she was like your internet is so I'm like, is it? Yeah, it's 11.5 same Um, up or down Up up Hilariously your your video paused for a second while you were telling the story of heather loving your bandwidth Probably because I was doing the speed test. Oh, totally was that's exactly what it was uh, but yes, she um She she was like you have no idea how I have to live at my head. I was like I'm not even like well roger doesn't have top tier. I could I could go higher. Um But yeah, I guess the best internet is the internet where you don't even notice the speeds because it just works My internet speeds magically went up from five megabits to 10 upload still 100 down I don't understand why they do a sync. Well, I mean I do I think more and more people are going to be using upload for various things and The synchronous is because that's kind of just a legacy of the initial Hardware outlay that they don't want to spend money to upgrade. Yeah Well, and it's it's yeah, it's a way of saving a couple Shekels here and there It's not just a couple. Are you kidding? It's 130 million You know what I can get for 130 million not I can get a lot and I can tell you if I don't have to spend it on upgrading your system. I'm not I'm not going to pay a lot for this muffler Yeah, that's why you'll be back here in four years Chokes on you this car's going to last a year and a half Alrighty, uh, well, thank you folks for hanging out with us and uh Sarah will see you again in just more over a week. Yay Hooray Amazing awesome. Yay. Thanks again everybody. It's nice to uh Nice to be coming home Ish whatever whatever whatever that, you know, touchy feely Warm fuzzy way to describe this is yeah, that's what I said that Yeah, that's what I mean Bye everybody


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