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We had a wonderful year last year you can donate on the website God bless you, okay Let's go ahead and start and we'll take questions all day Let's go through some basics as we get going here number one Where did demons come from? no one knows The Bible doesn't say but there are three different theories Let's take them quickly Enoch chapter one anybody ever read the book of Enoch you listen to the book enough Looks like about five people. All right. Well, here's here's what he said Millennials ago the devil tried to destroy humanity and these fallen angels had intercourse with human females and They got pregnant and gave birth to these Mongoloid deformed vicious hateful What's her mom I looking for here? Like Goliath these ugly Giant monsters giants and When these giants died The spirits of these giants never didn't go to hell. They just stayed here. So the demons are the spirits from these Man's of giants that lived on the earth Millennials ago King David killed off the last of them. Did that happen?  Imprisoned and in Revelation 9 it gives you an example of during the tribulation Which in my opinion is only a few years away These spirits are let out of the abyss So there's as sin accelerates. There's more and more spirits being released out of the abyss Wherever the heck that is. I don't have the details on this stuff. I Don't really care about it, but I'm just saying this is this is just Questions you're gonna get if you get in the ministry people gonna ask you these questions So I always tell them I don't know but and then I say this person believes that and this and that I don't try to I say I know even though I might believe a certain Option because I don't want to get into a dispute with somebody because that's not going to lead them to healing Disvutes always kind of block your healing. They don't help you Fightin over church doctrine is a monstrosity Gasping waste of time Shocking waste of time it helps nobody if you don't believe me ask a Baptist There's 60 different Baptist denominations 60 You got to be nuts to have 60 different Baptist That's incredibly demonic There's only like 18 Pentecostal denominations. I thought that was bad enough 18 The third theory is which one Genesis 1 2 is a recreation or restoration or renovation of the planet earth Between Genesis 1 1 and Genesis 1 2 there could have been millions or billions of years It doesn't say we do know that before Genesis 1 2 Satan had some kind of a kingdom Now where was that? Well, I don't have all these answers and again. I don't care but the Bible clearly says that Adam was created in After the creation of the universe And that Adam and Eve at that point were the only humans on the planet, but This pre-existing kingdom Existed where so the theory is on the planet earth There was some kind of humanoid or human type civilization that Satan ruled over Ezekiel 28 Isaiah 14 and that this kingdom was destroyed or ruined when he rebelled and then the Genesis 1 2 is the restoration of the planet earth That's the theory and the theory is when God told Adam to be fruitful multiply and replenish the earth God was talking to Adam about replenishing what had already been wiped out, which was this pre-existing civilization the theory then is all these People in this civilization their spirits are now the demons Well The council a nice scene. He wants to know. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Is that Mike on this? That was it really just want to know it was either God or man who didn't allow it to be in the Bible So I'm just wondering well man man allowed all the books in the Bible That was not a God thing not happened in the sixth century. So they all the Bible scholars Back then got together and they said these are not inspired texts and These are the inspired ones So we voted and we voted these out and we voted these in Then he not got voted out and that's why it's not in the Bible It is in the Apocrypha. So if you get the Catholic Bible the Dway version it is in that Bible They have the Old Testament Apocrypha New Testament And they do believe it was inspired a lot of them were yeah, uh-huh Yep, Enoch was in there a whole bunch of other stuff was in there There was a fight in heaven and Satan was pushed down with a third of the angels for the Revolutionary overtake of heaven and of course it failed And so he was pushed down and a third of the angels went with him Is that where maybe Demin's came from? That what what rebellion rebellion of the angels? Yeah, that's a theory, huh? Yeah, the theory was That the devil said hey, I don't want to be second fiddle anymore. I want to be the big dog Which is which is exactly what Christianity is? Christians want to be in charge and father wants us not to be in charge So it's the self that is the number one issue in humanity Are you going to sacrifice yourself for the Lord or you want to have yourself for you? That's the simple question the devil said I want to sell for me.    That's what happened. He finished Adam off He got Eve that failed and Adam massively failed much worse than her and Then all of us died everybody dies now to this day because of Adam screwing up we all we all have to die but We never die We won't live eternally because Christ the second Adam stole back everything from the devil out foxting at every turn beating me every corner and is in the end rubs his nose in it and It says when he at the time of the death of Christ He went down and preached to the spirits in prison. My theory is he's preaching those fallen angels that destroyed humanity and got Got older women pregnant and started that race of giants so that by the time Noah Got the Ark the Bible says the entire planet was gone Everybody was a vicious sinner and it was because these giants took over the planet.  He rebooted so to speak The system then the devil started in on it again And he's winning again.  He fights to the end. So I do respecting for that but I Hate his guts for what he's done the brutality the evil the sickness I hate it with everything I have I got a personal score to settle And you've got one too So those are the three theories where a demon comes comes from here's the final summary of it with great knowledge and wisdom I don't know About the bookie you know, do you know, do you know why they voted it out? Was it a number of reasons or one main reason? No, it's a series of reasons I've read it three three different times three or four times. I've got both versions of it. There's two versions of it and As far as I can tell it should have been in the Bible As far as I know, but again, I said as far as I know I'm not saying it definitely should have been in there. I Didn't say that So they maybe had wrong reasons like religious reasons for for voting it out in your opinion I personally think it should have been in the thing. It's fantastic and it explains so many other questions you have about the Bible and The reason I think it should have been left in was so many people quoted from it Gospel writers There's so many concepts from Enoch in the Bible and there's so many quotes from it even in the New Testament quoted So I'm thinking to myself if these Men of God thought it was worthy enough to quote it. I'm thinking there must be some value there That's just my thoughts and again. I'm not saying it was divinely inspired. I didn't say that I know I'm not going to teach on it. Yeah, I know that there are Issues concerning some of the apocrypher when we talk about a pre-adamic Activity on the earth that would then cause or allow the issue of death To have occurred prior to Adam which then causes some complication regarding the fall of Man and death entering in through Adam So it's difficult to explain death before the fall Okay, that's true, but here's the general theory at the time of the rebellion of Satan God sent judgment and destroyed everything everything was destroyed. That's why in verse 2 in Genesis said and The earth became null and void But then it was recreated in the spirit of God moved over the face of the waters and then it was Recreated this is their theory and then then you find the garden of Eden But in Ezekiel it says there was a another garden of Eden Not that one Then Paul explains that everything we see here in the natural world is a representation of things in the spirit world so Romance you'll man you are without excuse you None of this stuff matters I was just trying to say you're going to get these questions if you get into this ministry So I was trying to kind of go over a few things on how to answer it without getting in a fight Because you don't want to get any fights because that's going to block you block somebody's healing Fighting that doesn't work Fighting the devil works by fighting amongst ourselves. That's not gonna work. All right here in the United States Deliverance was thrown out of the church denominations so People went Satellite they went independent. That's what I've done. That's what everybody does you have to do it Nobody's going to support you here are the main preachers here In the United States kind of started in the 60s and 50s, but these people had National reputations for deliverance and the top two in terms of Quality quantity and credibility would be the top two on this list here the Hammond's and Prince I Sell their books because they're so good Prince is more Documentative and more scholarly and Hammond is more People normal life oriented They're both fantastic Recommend both of them Alan was a famous faith healer in the 1950s. This guy saw every miracle in the book. He was really a At a real high anointing for casting on demons. He hasn't only was so high He'd make fun of the demons before he cast them out He'd interview them and laugh at them. We don't do that here We don't have anything like that. That's what he did and it was working. I'm not criticized I'm just saying that's not for me. I studied all these people and so I nitpicked every one of them. I knit picked all of them and I feel like this. I don't like that. I like that. I didn't like that and you do the same. Yes, you look at me and you go Hey, I brother Mike. He makes weird videos when he's in the shower. He's out I'm unfriending that turd So that's what you do you like something about me keep it You like you don't like it throw it out throw me out. It's no big deal The only thing that matters is who you help later who cares about me. Just get yourself out there Work it out. So it's comfortable with you Because we're all different and get going get off your fanny When werely super powered Bapticastle Baptists who got filled with Holy Ghost They're called bapticastles His system Was fascinating he would he would be the linchpin in the service But he had a team of people who went around and he had a large team of tough guys on his staff because he got credible manifestors huge Manifestors people would go crazy in the services. So he had this team of men who would hold these people down and Tackle them and all this kind of stuff So I stole that from him The mass deliverances the group deliverances, but I told the Lord I can't do the the other part So you got to help me out get me out of that Because I can't hold you down. I'm too old issues He was great that guy had all kinds of deliverances and everything and I Frank Hammond. I Ida did the individual Deliverances Frank would do the group deliverances fantastic. Just fantastic. There's a few videos. Yeah, I Read all of his books that are fantastic. Yeah We talked about sometimes interrogating The demons. Yeah, they would interrogate the demons. Do you guys do that here? No, we didn't lie I didn't feel good about that. Now. I kind of drifted away from that Didn't like that. I left that there, but I did pick up a whole bunch of his other stuff He was just fantastic But he had its other stuff. I just couldn't adjust to And so you're to do that too.  He loves you Bob Larson is the main guy. He he Took deliverance out of the underground and took it to the national spotlight and He's over here in Scottsdale Bob is a interesting character. He's got he's got a very odd personality He's got a hot temper He's a very strong person Incredibly strong person He's a fighter He'll he will he will just whip you He went on years ago. He went on a missions trip. This was like the late 80s or something Well, he was over in somewhere Africa or somewhere He saw a bunch of people manifesting demons. Yeah, man. That's unbelievable Do we have demons in America? and he had came back and Sure enough it stuck he found people that were manifesting here So that's what kind of triggered him into deliverance and then he kind of took the thing National he was on the radio every day back in the 90s No, but anyway, I Used to listen to him back then I know nothing about demons and what amazed me was the deliverance was always over by the end of the show I Thought that was a miraculous thing. How do you And then so anyway, I studied Larson and I just threw out almost all of it The way he runs the services. He's the lynchpin and he goes around Through the service and he picks out the manifesters and Then he tells the local helpers Pick that one out Bring that one up here and then they make a public display out of them They roar and scream and then they take them back and sit them down. I Didn't feel comfortable with any of that stuff. Yeah, then they use they stick stuff on you. I Didn't like that either so I took that out I don't think I didn't see them whacking people to the Bible, but they do put the Bible on your put it on your head or spin it on your head. I Didn't feel comfortable with that either so I left that out And I didn't like that the mass anointing the mass Moving in the spirit the mass manifestations Like that he did the same thing worldly did he had the and Prince Prince had the mass services Prince handled it differently. He had the people up here with him and then They would let anything just go on there. It was all basically self-deliverance, but if they had a manifestor They had a couple people from the local church would go out and get that person and you know kind of minimize it so it didn't Spill over in the thing worldly would actually Have a team of spiritual thugs go over and grab the dude and Start casting demons on they were holding down while he was or she was going crazy And then that was normal for them they would encourage that people that was a normal thing in the services And so I didn't like that either. I want I didn't want to do that. I'm not criticizing anyone. Just telling you what I'm You'll do the same thing you look at something you evaluate it see if it fits with you Yeah, Mike like you Back in the early 90s there was a time I knelt down. I'm prayed a reckless prayer, but yet It was heard and I was Just dealing with this whole subject of are there really demons active in the church and in the world today and are they still really afflicting people because we just came out of a season out of the 60s and 70s trying to move everybody to secular atheism and Psycho babble and psychology and psychiatry and and trying to explain everybody's Malady and issue in in those clinical types of secular terms And I believe God was using these people to expose the reality that there are Real demons they're real. They're really are and so I knelt down. I'm prayed and I said Lord show me Satan Show me his work and it was shortly after that that I found Bob Larson on the radio like you and began to listen to him And then that's when that reality began to open But I think really what the Lord was doing was was re-exposing to the world the reality of this thing that There there are demons in the church There are people that are crippled and handicapped and broken and in all kinds of bondage in the church And that's what began to be revealed to me and then I mean shortly after that the Lord started bringing people to me and I Shortly after that had my first deliverance. I was in southern Baptist church out in Buckeye and Had a nine-year-old boy Manifesting demons right outside of his Sunday school classroom. He was kicked out of Sunday school He was crouched down in the hallway of the church and And so that was my very first deliverance experience using a lot of some of the Just the theology and some of the things about Bob Larson to help me to be able to do that But I appreciate Bob in the fact that he was willing to bring it into the public realm So the world can't be exposed to the reality of this. So he's the one that did it. Yeah, he's the one that did it Yeah, yeah, and you asked for it Hey, if you ask for it and God just might hear you and Start you out. Okay. What would John G. Lake also be considered in the history of deliverance? Now I read all his material. He never mentioned demons virtually Yeah, they had one little book on it. I found but it was very shallow Lake was freaky His anointing was so high That I don't think he had any concept of demons. He's praying boom. They would fly out of people And they'd get healed Lake was a freak. There's no John makes around anymore He's he was off the hook But no, he didn't he didn't know Anything about demons far as I know No, no demons Catherine. No Dean the same thing massive anointing no any so high that you know Everything blew out Yeah, now they didn't get involved demons Okay, let's keep going here then we got some other people you might know dicker moon was popular He's nationally known Neil Anderson wrote a book called bondage breakers. It was a best-seller. You ever heard of that one He's really good on everything up until right to the end when you have to get the demons out Then he kind of collapses. He doesn't know how to do it Jeffrey was very popular. He's yeah, I think he's still around The Catholics had the Vatican Exorcist Father Amorth. He's dead now, but he's the one that Kept deliverance going in Roman Catholicism. I Studied Roman Catholicism stuff. I I didn't like most of it There was to me. There was too many rituals too much activity too many sprinklings too many hosings too many chanting I just I Couldn't adjust to any of it. I just didn't want it Couldn't take it. So I Got rid of most of that and then father Francis McNutt. He's the best I've ever seen in terms of Catholics and Deliverance, he's just outstanding. He's more toward A normal kind of deliverance He just retired, but he's still got his ministry system set up in back east. He's really good He wrote a great book on deliverance. So it's really interesting and helpful brother Carlos He's a he's a Don. He's in from Texas. He's all over the internet. He's a Bob Larson disciple that one again I looked at him. I Got rid of most of that Too much hype to too much Too much yelling and screaming not enough repenting If you look at inter healing in the United States, these people are the names you'll mostly run into People started to focus on it Psychiatrically and spiritually Starting in the 1950s many of them use Carl Young's Theories he was a famous brilliant psychiatrist He was a spiritual person, but unfortunately he was Loaded with demons and had a cult some occult type stuff in his background Really dangerous Theophostic came out a couple decades ago. That's been pretty popular Memory stuff is now also very popular Recovering old memories the prophetic's came up with their deliverance system sozo That's out there Bondage breakers is out there cleansing streams out there These are really good programs in terms of leading up to deliverance for example sozo bondage breaker cleansing stream They got a lot of really good stuff But at the again the problem at the end is how do you get the spirit out of the person? And that's where they fail. They don't know how to do it. So I get people to come see me Counseling it's been through bondage breakers and two or three cleansing streams Sozo four or five times really There's a lot of good stuff in it Renunciation for penning that kind of stuff that stuff's fantastic But again, it's not going to do you any good to renounce everything on the planet if you can't get the spirit out of you Okay, so I've done the theopostic and I've done that Bob Larson thing that we're a pastor did the He's the one that does the disassociative stuff with Bob Larson and I Never ever got to the point. They were casting it out They just had me do a lot of renouncing and then with a theopostic they don't cast out demons at all They just think they leave after you the inner healing is really good But the the effect and it's really helped me a great deal, but I have to go home and cast them out when I When I'm done So that's been the deal with me. Yeah, I couldn't have said anything better. Yeah Have you looked at the courtrooms of heaven which to me is relatively yeah, I looked at the courtroom That's another new phase they they come up with something new every six eight months People come up with a bunch of new stuff. They have to you got to keep selling books and CDs and DVDs Yeah, it's all spiritual croc Courtrooms of heaven, you know back in the 50s grandma went to the courts of heaven. She got on her knees I'm praying You need to buy a book on it Yeah Manifest like at a Bob Larson conference or even here why are we seeing it in grocery stores churches? Well, that's a why do demons manifest? They sense the presence of the spirit, okay, so here's how here's how it works at a Kundalini meeting or prophetic meeting you'll see demons manifesting and The Holy Spirit's there, but the person misinterprets the manifestation thinking that's the Holy Ghost So the demons don't have to come out.  They're not coming out the system Larson uses I discarded because He has an incredible amount of teachings on demons, which is fantastic. He does a really good job of it But the personal issues of the individual in terms of repentance is poor Okay, so if I take you through deliverance and renounce everything in the world But you still hate your dad I'm screwed and so is that person Now they can manifest all day long and I can yell at them all day long, but that's not Biblical deliverance We're getting that in a minute and if you think that's God manifesting there Well, I'm not going to be able to get him out am I I'd be casting God out of you But here since this is personal I know about this place The demons only fear one person the Holy Ghost They own fear anybody else and if he starts to manifest his presence They start getting the shakes It's one of those holy shoot moments for them you gots to be kidding. I might get thrown out and I think demons.  They actually mentioned your name. Here's here's Peter the preacher Go getting And you're on a hit list If the spirits are in your body Working with the ones on the outside of the body trying to destroy you. It's a tag team wrestling match And if they have to come out, I think I can't prove this, but I think somehow they get in trouble I'm not sure of that, but I think it's almost as if they they don't want to come out And there's a reason they don't like they're going to take a whooping or something But we know they're petrified of the Holy Spirit and if I was a demon I'd be Be scared and so they start shaking Say it's a Jerry Lee Lewis syndrome There's a whole lot of shaking going on See and then when they come out they pitch a fit and then they're gone And it did to Jim Jesus he couldn't get out of it either he got stuck with these Manifestations, but he would knock them off as quick as possible and boot them out, but they would still freak on him That's because they were scared they were yelling and screaming the demons even doctrines. Hey, what are you doing here?  What's happening here? What are you doing? They were panicking The Jesus had the fullness of the spirit not like us. He had spirit without measure We'll never have that. Hey Mike. I got a question to you. I've read Neil Anderson and over here I read some of Neil Anderson's books and One of the things I took away from that was Renewing the mind and repentance seemed to be the two basic things that he wrote about Yeah, he's very good with it and then but he talked about a lot of case studies And there was one woman that came to him said I've gone through all the things you told me to do and yet She was still not free But I think the root cause was still some bitterness in her heart and when she got rid of that bitterness and Repented and she was immediately delivered and I found that very interesting the other the backup question I have for you what the question is there. How was she delivered? Yes. How do you know that? At least according to what he wrote in the book. I mean, that's what I'm asking. What do you write in the book? How do you know that? That's what that's what he described in the book. It was one of his many case studies I know but what did he describe how the demons came out? She got down on her knees and started crying and we prayed in his office And after that she was free. Okay. They had the backup questions mark chapter 9 where you know the story where the man has a son who's possessed and He says to Jesus your disciples tried to cast them out and they couldn't and the man comes to him says help me in my unbelief Jesus cast out the demon probably a learning scenario for for the disciples there too But the backup question is is that Neil Anderson said we should focus more on Paul's letters About renewing our mind about deliverance in people's lives As compared to what Jesus did. Can you explain that? Yeah? I mean, it's just like I said earlier This part of the stuff Neil is top of the line on the guy's fantastic. He just described it see but on this part He's terrible Awful So that's why I was asking him. How did that girl get delivered? He said well, she got down and she cried on The carpet apparently and then she I guess got delivered See he didn't do it This is making sense Anderson is great building up to it but weak on getting the demons out Disciples tried to get this superpower demon out of this kid See and they had they lost their faith and then behind the scenes he said how come we could because you're unbelief That demon there wasn't the one that lady had in his office No way And that was a demon on steroids that took that kid They had unbelief The dad had it too. That's why the kid couldn't get delivered So here's how it works If you read cleansing streams and Neil Anderson these guys the mind renewing stuff's great That's not enough so the full gospel requires renewing the mind and Casting out That's what I'm trying to do here. I do the teaching and then we cast out Do the teaching repent then we can good question I think if you read the gospel and And you and you really pay attention to what it's saying It's gonna it'll give you key words And then you know when you go back to mark 16 17 Jesus said and these said these signs shall follow those who believe in my name They shall cast out demons. They shall speak in new tongues. They shall pick up in me any deadly Drink any deadly poison brief to pick up serpents. They shall lay hands on the sick. They shall recover So there's there's different keys that that will give you and also, you know when Jesus walked He spoke things into place. He spoke him into place and he also shared the significance of that with his disciples Speaking things into place telling the mountain to move telling things to move So when people say, you know, I've done everything, but I've never casted out demons. Why haven't you done it? Well, because it's it's weird to me. I've never been taught that I think that that whole thing has been held from the church The same reason the the Enoch is not in the Bible because the devil didn't want it to be That's my belief and it's but it's part of spiritual warfare deception if you go right to the core of its deception The devil is a deceptive person. He doesn't want us to know Amen, so when you find out the truth set you free That's a good preaching sermon there All right, so here's why this stuff is being promulgated now because About 15 20 years ago Deliverance started to make a comeback. It started to increase a little Well, the devil said okay Well, I'll give you deliverance, but I can't give these idiot church people real deliverance So I'm going to give them deliverance light and that's what that is You sit down quietly you renounce thing if you say your prayers you get in the office with Neil you quietly pray the devil's okay with that but what The biblical deliverance where the spirits are coming out dramatically that freaks people out and They won't allow that so cleansing streams comes along and says listen We got a lot of good material for it here for you and they do a lot of that material is fantastic. I've got the books But they said we're going to give you deliverance light We're going to trust that you renewed your mind enough that you're now delivered So we're going to pour water on your hands as a symbol of your deliverance Bless you sister Okay That stuff's not going to work Demons don't come out because you take a shower.  We got a different that we're butting heads here and the strong man The stronger one wins Ron yeah, Mike gentlemen over here was talking about Where the disciples couldn't cast out the demon? It was you said it was a super-powered one. Yeah, okay Now that scripture that says these kind only come out through prayer and fasting Should we be doing a lot more fasting? Yeah, that's for sure. Yeah, no Bible completely took that out That scripture it's not in the NIV Bible. Yeah, that's not in the Westcott hold Bible and I just I brought it up in a Bible study and I crucified myself Chase so here's a Mike right there so so my question is um You said that uh that renewing the mind and is not enough you have to be doing renewing the mind and casting out Right, so if I went through a situation where Where I was renewing my mind and the the symptoms of bipolar like they pretty much just vanished For the most part then would you say that those spirits just went into hiding? Could have yeah depends.   I was curious about I think it's in Luke 10 where Jesus sends out the 72 and they come back and they said Lord We cast out demons in your name and you said just don't be surprised that you can cast out demons on my name But be thankful that your names are written in the in the lambs book of life But I'm curious why the 72 could go out and cast out demons but in a later passage about the 12 They had difficulty. Can you verify that please? Yeah, that's in Luke 9 But the other thing is mark mark 7 the 72 went out and they were casting out demons and so on and then they came back and they were so happy about it because There was no deliverance in the Old Testament There was only one deliverance and it was a sovereign one. It was King Nebuchadnezzar had lycanthropy and He got sovereignly delivered But nobody got rid of demons in the Old Testament. They only managed symptoms But in the New Testament when Christ came along nobody could believe it. It was the most amazing thing they'd ever seen He would just speak to them or Touch them quickly boom They would go So people were like and that's the most incredible thing I've ever seen deliverance is fantastic In the book of Acts delivers with a common thing. It's not like nowadays Back then it was just normal. You just got delivered. You got baptized in water. Nobody sprinkled your hose.  It's a struggle for us fight But the spirit in mark nine with the kid was a Superpower demon and there was only nine disciples there three of the other three were on Mount Transfiguration with Christ and when they came down The nine disciples were trying to cast the demon on the kid and they were arguing with the scribes It says about how to do deliverance and that's why I mentioned earlier Arguing about scripture will block your healing and your deliverance and so the disciples fighting with the scribes No, you do it this way hold the cross that way put the Bible on that no spin it on that you get a fight over If you fight over how you do deliverance that the demons are Doing cartwheels.  What am I in the mood for I'm not sure. What do you think? What do you want to eat? Where do you want to eat and pretty soon? You got the whole car and you got six different restaurants going so now nobody can go anywhere and eat And then a fight breaks out when we had a Taco Bell last week no we had Burger King to it wait a minute I don't like that's good. And so once that starts Your host and some games are much more powerful than others that story there was Textbook have you ever seen autism demons? You know, they're a breed different breed Then a lots of demon they're easy to get out lots of demon autism and not a That's a generational monster What do demons plea bargain like can they offer up a lower level minion demon so that like other ones can stay in Oh, they do it all the time. You'll see somebody in the deliverance service not even getting prayed for they'll start yawning Those are the weaker ones coming out see last night. There was a couple here Sitting somewhere around here They were just sitting there. It was near the end of the service. Are they you hear that couple that was sitting right over here Guy was an addict There was an addict sitting right here. I think and then is his fiance was sitting there They were just sitting there doing nothing So I went up to let me so we what's going on here? Well, what's he need? Oh, he's he's an addict What's he what's he taking heroin? Okay, so now I know right there. This guy's massively infected heroin is a spiritual Cold-blooded killer. Yeah, that thing. That's in monsters. You don't get a couple of Lost demons yellow problem with master of it. No, the heroin.  I'm working with him. I'm going over him. I'm slapping him. I'm yelling at it I'm doing everything. I'm going through the routine And again, if you don't like my routine, don't do that You use routine that's comfortable with you And then I said man, this guy is not repenting So the demons were shaking something's going on so I went and grabbed the wife and she comes up. I Said You're his fiancee Yeah, I Said have you slept with him yet? She said we've got two kids Oh Somebody dropped a bomb on me. Now. I know she's massively infected. Well to make a long story short Both of them on the ground here massive Powerful demons coming out of both of them about 15 minutes.  You got to dig it out of them I mean, you're you're on heroin. That's useful information to me. I kind of need to have that information You know That's a little different for you getting mad when you misplace your keys. Where am I please? That's not a heroin addict. I have a question. Um, do you think uh Do you think because and this goes on I was reading your follow-up to the um deliverance right and um And it kind of it didn't dawn on me. It was kind of like inspired something inside that um Do you think in your opinion if the church our church, right on jesus christ um The body of christ on earth Do you think if we actually followed up after? Salvation and and paid close attention closer attention to the new births that were going on in our communities and our state and our country or around the world that It would actually um equip the saint to more or less be on guard For when things start happening and he could recognize it as a As a demon or something that You know he can expel himself with the word of god and the holy spirit, you know Well That's a tough question to answer generally speaking. No, it doesn't do any good. We're already doing that If somebody gets saved Uh, usually they try to get him into a church system somewhere And then they try to get him to Change repent read the bible go to church get in a fellowship get involved in something like that That's not good enough That doesn't work But if you're talking about somebody getting saved and then put him in a full gospel system Where they learn spiritual warfare and they go through deliverance And then they start teaching others that yeah, that would change the whole system that in fact, that's what we're trying to do here We're trying to kind of spark that To go that way Yes, that effort like a demon that the disciples had trouble casting out was that a generational demon Yeah, jesus said this kind go without but Only through prayer and fasting Genea is the greek word there. It means this generational type of spirit Autism and down syndrome and these monster demons they come down through the family tree Usually hit the kid in the womb It's it has nothing to do with the sin of the child It's a sin of someone up here something really bad went on up there usually witchcraft Usually severe perversion some kind of serious sinning in the family tree brought in these pterodactyls Mike What do you think of the recently expanding last reformation movement? That is baptizing people and Casting out demons as soon as they bring them up out of the water well, I don't That's not just a last reformation movement. That's A bifurcated question there a lot of people have gotten delivered during water baptism or got their gifted tongues There's nothing wrong with that. That's great The reformation movement That's all garbage There's so many false doctrines and that is scary But getting Delivered while you get baptized I'm there right peter Peter's there too Mike the second part of my question that I asked you earlier was if demons can make deals and plea bargain Why did they ask jesus to cast? Them into pigs do they have to have a body to an indwelling and the second thing is why did jesus agree to it? Why didn't he just cast them out? Why did he put them in the pigs? Send them into the pigs Okay, the I don't have all those answers But the one we do know for sure we have this answer Demons are not fallen angels or disembodied spirits. So They want a body to use to control the environment So they need to get into you To use you to yell at your husband or yell at your kids They need to get into you to rob a bank. They need to get into you to shoot somebody They can't do it themselves Yeah, so they they want to get in us primarily But they'll take an animal secondarily And and animals can have spirits most people know that if you ever seen a junkyard dog And those things are mean you ever seen a pit bull they've all got demons.  I went over there and barked at him I'm going back to something you said earlier how you you wouldn't it pick about You know, I guess in your opinion the best deliverance ministries in the in the u.s. And you pick the good parts um leave out the parts that you thought weren't so good and kind of like I guess like kind of To compare it to like uh, how they have self defense mixed martial arts They try to get the best of the best worldwide Not that it's good necessarily to learn martial arts, but you know, I'm just using it as a like an analogy but so my question is oh um To get like if you want to call it the best of the best or whatever We we looked at the u.s. Um, but what about other parts of the world? Maybe like argentino carlos and condo south america or africa. Have you looked at any of those? Oh, I'm sure you probably have but you're just teaching from the u.s um You haven't looked at any of them have looked at all them. Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah Other countries are much superior to america If you go to what he just said argentina for that they are they common people know all about demons africa This stuff here is not Shocking anybody some may have demons It's only shocking here in the spiritually ignorant world of america That's where that's where it's ignorant yeah Yeah, I've seen those faith healers Deliverance guys. Yep Take a look at them Again nitpick at nick pick them Nick pick me Pick what you like and get rid of what you don't like Because everybody has different personality temperament Yeah, brother mike. Um, I have a question because Like a few weeks a few weeks ago. I had a strange dream But at the same time, I don't know if it applies to my uh church. We're a we're a small church And um in the past year, uh, the growth has been like stash How do you say? stagnant But like two weeks ago. I had a dream where these um These witches were on the high mountain And they were like cursing Down towards our city And then I in my dream. I started praying in tongues and they didn't like it And then all of a sudden like I woke up. So I'm thinking If you could talk a little bit about the um the gift of the sermon towards Spirits like how how can um, is this a problem where the church doesn't recognize these These demonic or people that practice cursing, uh, the church with Through witchcraft, maybe a growth in the church or something um First of all, I don't I don't want to comment on that dream. He had I don't know I don't have enough information on that but Uh what I what we do here is um You have all these territorial spirits And Every area of the country has different types of spirits Running the whole system there to boss And the the spirits have different skills and abilities So if you go from one community to another community, you'll see a different flair for sin There then you'll see there Different there and there it's real easy to see New Orleans, san francisco, las vegas It's all sin, but you see it's a different it's got a different flair to it.  Jesus never cast out territorial demons. I don't know if you haven't noticed that He never did it. It was always an individual person That's where the real stronghold is so You can be delivered from demons in the middle of las vegas And the dead territorial demons can't stop it if you repent the devil cannot stop you I don't care where you are if you're in a whorehouse New Orleans honky ton. I don't care what you The holy ghost is there if you're going to repent and the devil cannot stop you from being delivered No matter what Ruckus a territorial spirit makes They don't have it kind of before I can't stop I was recently watching a Lecture from dr. Charles stanley the conscience the conscious or the conscience um Is your protector? and I wanted to Kind of understand Maybe a difference between the Renewing of your mind And then this new age way Practitioners use to purify your mind and that difference obviously If you've got the renewing of your mind and you're not repenting That's one thing because obviously you were saying that we need the both for it to work um, and then the other side of that is I from some of the lectures I've been watching That those people who aren't repenting are perfectly in line and okay with their their sin They're sinning So if they're perfectly okay with their sinning, but they're following the new age of purifying their mind then that Shutting down their conscience How does that all interconnect between the purifying your mind in the worldly way renewing your mind? And then that repentance piece in alignment with the sin. Let's start first with charles He's a good guy great guy wonderful person charles doesn't know anything about spirits okay, so all all the stuff he teaches it's it's really good material, but The problem is If a person's Brain is infected with a spirit and they are controlling the person's mind That is extremely difficult if not impossible to renew your mind The new age method of doing it several different techniques Is that false deception? It's fake So if you do a demonic method of renewing your mind the spirit in your brain will give you a period of temporary Rest it will just kind of back off a little bit giving you a false sense of healing Then what charles doesn't understand is a person's conscience can be seared If it's seared it doesn't work anymore And he's right your conscience is your internal warning system from god to keep you safe But if it's not working, it's the same thing a car that needs a tune up The car is not working right So you can't get there from here So he teaches a lot of good stuff and Recommends that you do all these good things, but the problem is he doesn't understand That some people can't do it And then that opens up the world to a long discussion on mental illness caused by spirits in the brain Okay If you ask somebody she said some people like their sin Sin is kind of a bifurcated issue these people enjoy their sin And these people are afraid to give it up They fear it They particularly addicts They don't want to drink anymore, but they're afraid to have to face their soul wounds And their emotional pain without having it So they're not drinking because they like it that much they're drinking because they're afraid to stop So to speak I mentioned that biography on rick flair the other day If you saw that that guy that guy's afraid To stop drinking because he would he would have to face himself And that's a That's a horrible thing for people to face or themselves Yeah, okay, so you mentioned that jesus didn't do the territorial spirits. How about homes that have Activity let's say a person like I'll just use myself like when I saw shadow people I was told that it was witchcraft spirits. So cast that stuff out When You have things moving on your countertop and throwing to the ground Is that something connected to the person or is that a territorial spirit? No, no, it's it's a witchcraft demon in the house We're all haunted house They got in there somehow you got to figure out how it got in there. Okay Yeah, that's not a territorial thing. No, no, okay, they don't mess with us Okay, they send Others to trash us They're busy doing worldwide things You'll never see the devil in your life Him personally that's never gonna happen. He's never been here. He don't even know we're here But who he sent here to trash us they know exactly what we're doing here. They show up at every service It's a hierarchy system of management Trump's not gonna come here But Trump might send somebody here Same thing in the spirit world people get sent to you Yes, brother Mike if a person needs deliverance And it goes to the place to get deliverance. How does that person know that? Person giving the deliverance is infected with evil spirits. So how is that person getting deliverance going to get delivered? How do the how do the person know what? Let's say for example, I come to get deliverance. I seek your deliverance. Okay to get delivered How do I know the person that's going to help me? Is infected with evil spirits? Oh, that's a good question.   Absolutely not You got to check these people out Okay for the in the same sense then let's say there's people that put their hands on you To pray for healing How do you know those people?  That's that's very risky and then last last night. This is just a comment On the curses Isn't Like the cell phones and the tablets and all that that the children are using now Considered an idol because they spent so much time on there. They're Their brains are always on that, you know the phone or the tablet Because we're having trouble with my grandkids, you know taking those away Because they're just they're having a fit Yeah, I wouldn't classify it as an idol because uh There's a spiritual connotation to that term, but what's happening is the Continual using out the seducing spirits are entering the kid's brain causing an obsessive compulsive desires And then they can't get off of it That's what's causing that it's the spirits in the brain Taking the kid's mind I wouldn't say that It'd be an idol or they'd be worshiping it like a god. It's just consuming them Their time their life their thoughts It's all demonic. I have a question on the territory um After my mom passed, um, she has property and just with my My father and you know, my mother having a really bad relationship and you know And also just within that area we live in um, there's a lot of like Anasazi ruins. So that's on the reservation.  Well, I mean like spirits and um Like demonic spirits that's as far as like what has happened where my parents lived at How would you deal with You mean for who do who has the spirits who who needs well the household Oh the whole family. Yeah Well, you'd handle it The same way any any we do here with any family You you you pick them off one at a time And have it like the property itself You mean in terms of property having spirits. Yeah I know I mean that's hard to answer not knowing what's going on with your family, but Usually the spirits get their authority and power through the people Involved with the land or the home or whatever the physical thing is And so I focus on the people Getting them to repent and deliver get delivered first And start there But the problem is when you have a large family A lot of the people don't want to get delivered Correct. So the ones that are getting delivered have to Continue to treat the rest of the family members with love and continue to keep themselves Uncontaminated particularly in your case where you have native american spirits, which are extremely dangerous You mentioned disembodied spirits and last night we were talking about falling angels and I know in the book of revelation Talks about satan being cast out of heaven over the third of the angels So the demons that you fight are they are they fallen angels or they disembodied spirits? Where do they come from? Where do who come from the angels? They were created just like us Humans were just they were just created special creations the demons came from the first slide I went over There were the three different theories of where demons came from And the which one it is is your choice You you picked one of those. I don't know where they came from um when you said earlier about the If a person has their conscience seared How do they how does that person ever get unseared, you know, how do they get back to Where they were before their conscience got that way, you know, how do they ever get delivered from that? Is that process for that? Oh, absolutely. Uh, first of all, they can't do it on their own once your conscience is seared the person is screwed You can't you can't restore it the holy ghost can restore it And through deliverance the repentance the renewing your mind The conscience restores along with everything else and then it works again And the conscience then picks up things that are wrong that you shouldn't be involved in if it's seared It doesn't seem wrong I had a seared conscience. I slept with this gal and I slept with that one this one and that one I was living in sin and What are you just It's she's my girlfriend. What's what's the big deal?  I was sinning against god That was wrong And my conscience was restored So then I stopped doing that Right, sir The holy ghost can restore your conscience He's the only one that can do it So my question is about, you know, the spirits that linger in a place Like a haunted house, you mean? Yeah. Yeah say like, um, yeah The people live there a lot of things happen. They died then the house sits empty and spirits still linger in that area right and uh It's I guess it kind of relates to the things she was saying, you know, they're they're more or less lingering spirits looking for A host Correct Yeah, don't you watch celebrity ghost stories? I watch it every week those lingering spirits are on that program You don't see that Yeah, I watch it. I watch it. It's interesting to see how the demons Protect their property how they relate to the people that just moved in what they do to them I keep track all that stuff Sir, oh, what would the the true biblical, uh Gift about discerning of spirits. What would that actually look like? Well, uh, number one, there's no actual gift to discernment That's just something somebody made up the actual gift is discerning of spirits That's the gift right and so Uh, the ability to discern spirits is human spirits angelic spirits demon spirits Holy ghost, it's the discerning of spirits in the spirit world That's a special one of the nine gifts of the spirit Back in 1980 I got saved and It seemed like pretty much like once a year I'd go through like a massive deliverance It happened around christmas time when I actually would bomb it intensely because it really wasn't a deliverance at that time that I was aware of because of the the church I was going to That went on for quite a few years and then the the last time that happened my eyes became real bright And it was like I at that time a huge darkness that didn't finally left me But it was torment for those years going through it And I'm still struggling with With something that's still there. Uh, I've gotten Some decent amount of deliverance here over the last few months I've been coming And it's like there's a I don't know a rebellion or It's like autonomy. It's like I want to rule my own life, but I know it's not me and try to get rid of that Uh autonomy is just driving me nuts All right, this this guy here is is pretty common uh That was a great question It's an inverted pyramid system. What you do is the person starts stacking spirits They get in kind of like in layers And then you have a controller down here Maybe a couple of them depending on the person a lot of them depending upon Supercenters, but somewhere in this guy's life Long time ago these some spirits got in here and then he started letting these other spirits in And then he would expel some spirits You know Christmas time Christmas Now he's come here But he hasn't gotten down to The mother load and those Those are not going to like him when he gets down there But right now these spirits are kind of protecting the ones below them They try to anyway, but if the person repents they can't they have to come out They can't stop you if you repent Exercise your faith. They can't do it So that's why this guy's anointing is going up As more of these come out you can see he's getting stronger spiritually he's on a Positive curve now as opposed to the other one was Slowly sinking one and these guys are driving the ship So you got to find out I don't know how these got in when he was younger How they kept stacking it sound like he's had something to do with pride But that's what you got to help the person and help them diagnose themselves Help them working through that process Earlier when you were talking about the kids playing video games Is it all games that spirits gain towards it like certain games? No, I can't answer that question because I don't have the knowledge about all the different types of games But uh They're dangerous Because you can see the kids as the demons take over their brain. They become more withdrawn And they become less interested in like normal human things And less interested in authority and parents and socializing And normal things people get involved in they kind of It's almost like the demons put them in this strange world all by themselves. It's really weird And then they start losing human contact And they only can communicate from through this thing clicking on social things That it's not real communication like for example my Video of me taking a shower. I should have never put that up. There's I had no idea That thing was going to be looked at as anything but something funny I didn't even occur to me that somebody would actually think I was in the women's locker room at the Sun City rec center I didn't know that was that caught me off guard I didn't mean to hurt anybody. I just didn't see it coming So I made a mistake brother might Yeah, I came to see you a while back and I showed you a video about the haunted house I got you know, I'm going to especially a testimony Vivian read my book and um What I went through in this home. I knew it was not my sin But I was a sinner at the time when I moved into this home But two months later the first day I moved in I noticed they're right away My bed was vibrating and I asked my wife. Why is the bed vibrating? I didn't understand and in this house Two months later made my wife for getting angry at each other, you know We just hold this whole environment and I I sensed it and she's and I asked her one time You know, do you ever see shadows here voices in this home because we moved into this house And so I guess someone died over those in that house or whatever. That's what But I seen a lot of shadows and stuff like that and But I was a sinner still at the time I was still doing drugs and watching porn and that manifested this home But in the in the process it's like mostly I'm gonna give you a testimony Through this all all this me and my wife. She left me three times But I cried to the lord. I got on my knees and I begged him to save me I accepted Jesus Christ into my life And when I did that I told this demon, you know, I ain't going nowhere I'm going to fight this to the end because I believe in God and I believe in Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit And it took time for me to almost three years to overcome this battle and the territorial spirits You know, was it easy? No, it was and he was it was to renew my mind Give it all to God and let him take over And I did that and the Lord, you know, healed me to let me and I'm at peace now That sometimes the demon comes back sometimes at dawn, but I really I couldn't have a discernment in the spirit I know when it's there and when it's not So what I do is I know I speak the word of God And I tell him, you know, greater see that is in the heat that is in the world The Lord has gave me anointed me and it's giving me power over you You know, you don't have no power with me because I don't give you that I don't need no open door because all the things of my mind is for the things of God I have I renew my life to the things of God and everything is for God for me Through the name of Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit in the word See, I speak these power into the atmosphere and the demon leaves Because I believe in God and I just believe in his word and I have I have studied so much about The demons because of this home Like I said, so many things that now the demon uses, you know, other people To get to me like my job my wife Family members, but you it's up to you As an image of Christ Jesus in the body of Christ To understand you must be keep your peace You can't give in to others because if you do then you give power to the demon So you have to maintain your peace and walk in the ways of the Lord And keep your peace and keep the word and that's how Jesus Christ came to show us how to be a disciple and that's why we must walk in the image of Christ I always study the things of Jesus Christ And you know, you can overcome your battles and that's what I did and that's how I became, you know A disciple I believe in the Lord and I have the discernment Lord has given me all this I don't give no glory to myself because I said I was a sinner I was a porn addict. I was a drug addict But I'm at peace now the Lord has changed my life and all those give it to God the Holy Spirit and the Lord Jesus Christ Amen Now Okay Here's what's actually happening there. Let's go to one portion of what he talked about This person here is infected with spirits and every person Every person christian or not is oppressed by spirits Everybody's oppressed by them the ones that are on the outside attacking you everybody has that all the time You can't get away from them. So this person here who's infected with spirits and is oppressed by spirits Moves into this house who has Who's this area is controlled by these spirits? Uh, this person got murdered here. Somebody got raped The molestation whatever it was Okay, so now you've got a combo job here These spirits now are going to work with these spirits They're usually fear spirits usually and they're designed to terrorize the inhabitants So this person here without going through deliverance isn't going to have the spiritual capacity To beat these out of the house But if you can get this person delivered I always focus on the person not the house. These are easy to get out Right When this person's delivered You just go in and blow them out They'll leave like boom god in the Catholic deliverance system And the Episcopal system it doesn't work They don't do anything with the person they go to the house So let's anoint the house with oil put oil on the windows and doors And let's uh chant Read some word or do something they go through a ritual And then that person goes hey the thing's back See the different focus they go here. I go here And then that person there goes there and boom They're gone Okay, I had a question about angels in spiritual warfare I had a friend that uh worked in student ministry at ASU years ago And she said one night she had a dream And she heard the sound of swords clanging Like it was a spiritual battle and she said the Lord spoke to her and said they're fighting for their souls for the students They've been transferred from around the world coming here in the Christian ministry But jesus talked about little children one time and he says their angels stand in the presence of god So and then there's other passages where jesus is saying angels came and ministered to him What is the role of angels in deliverance? Do you see angels sometimes when you're doing deliverance? Holy angels Uh, they don't mean nothing. I don't have nothing to do with angels That's the uh cheap end of the system When you got the holy ghost what are any angel for The angels are risky man because the familiar spirits and love angels you hear that he said clanging going on I got real red flags there Because I think the holy ghost body slam and demons around here. They weren't making any clanging noings.  Yeah, everybody has a guardian angel that's saved everybody here has an angel And they're all standing here listening to me But they would be none too happy if I had a seminar and how wonderful they were They'd be puking. Maybe what's wrong with this false teacher. Come on. Come on.  You want to get phony doctrines you got to go on tv But not on youtube No, I don't have nothing to do with the angels sir. Nothing at all.  I'm not in a mood for it I want to be in reference to our prayer I'm on my guess is he does but who cares If you've got the holy ghost, it's covered How is it covered? Hey, it's none of my business. I don't care whether you send an angel or a cherubim or I'm covered. Just get it Mike I wanted to let say that um, I posted a video on facebook about a month ago And it shows all the people from ea sports the techies and engineers for the video games Because he asked that question and also the vice president of facebook who quit Saying that mk ultra mind controls on all video games and facebook and the ceo of facebook even confessed that um That witches prayed over and cast spells on it He says it right out of his mouth and then he begs everybody to get off facebook He says to get off facebook and he started crying Yeah, I believe it. I posted it about a month ago. I posted it Yeah, I saw that interview and I am getting off facebook in two days. I'm done with it But if you if you are on facebook If you are on facebook never film anything in a shower When you speak of uh a seared conscience, is that the same as a reprobate mind? It's what? Is a seared conscious the same as a reprobate mind? No, no, no, no, it's not No, your your conscience and your mind are totally different No a reprobate mind an adachamus mind is a mind that it means to be rejected by god And that's a reprobate. That's a person that's Hopeless. Yeah, they're gone. No seared conscience Everybody has that to a certain degree Everybody needs their conscience restored If you're a sinner and most christians need it restored From their life of sin Now those two totally different subjects, okay, and then our next slide One this one Uh, here's our local group here. These are some of the main ones you'll run into Uh, I've been to their services. We already went over bob larson Uh isaias 61 is here. They got a pretty big ministry and they use the wind whirley system Uh, the lady that runs it she gets up and does a teaching And then they have a team of people that go around to the people in their chairs They don't have altar calls. They go to the chairs I Looked at that system. It's a good system. What I didn't like about it was The lady running it is a bob larson disciple So the way she learned to do it was This week we're going to do or this month we're going to do A masonry for six months. Let's take a topic So she'll take a topic And then she'll have six four classes five on masonry or something like that and then People who have that background come to that service And then at the end of the teaching about masonry then they have a deliverance session And it does work. They do get demons out. The problem with that system is It's not a personal repentance system So The only way to get a person free from spirits is to follow the biblical method of it So if I could stand up here all day long teaching you about masonry or some other subject But that's not going to deal with bitterness you have in your heart for this person Unforgiveness self-hatred low self-esteem Those kind of personal issues Those are the issues the spirits hold on to Here like that guy and they won't come out. There's they're holding on to something in your soul So what we do down here is focus on the personal things about the person which we'll get into in a minute And you can get the demons out faster Okay And if you have Mason demons, they're they're they're tough to get out They're also superpowered spirits. And if you don't have the person going through deep-seated repentance Getting all the mason demons out. It's I don't I don't believe it's possible So I I didn't like that system of teaching over there where you pick a subject. Okay. This is Next six month Mormons We're going to teach on Mormons coming out of that's great And they do a great job of the teachings fantastic and they're they do get some demons out But what you want to do Your ultimate goal to help somebody to get these controllers out And so that's why we'll have these layers come out last night They come next Friday this You whittle it down till you get down to the monsters And you can't do that by just Going after these Mormon spirits and then you got bitterness Unforgiveness and self-hatred and different other things still in there Yeah What are some of the ways that demons can come out like I've seen flum coming out or Yeah, what are some of the ways so maybe you know It's working and you're coming out. Well, there's there's usually a manifestation But some it depends on the type of spirit that's in the person's body Of how they come out So some of them come out kind of wild others of them just kind of lift out of the head some somebody Cough something different different ways Um Jesus got stuck with screamers a lot And my guess is his anointing was so high that these are the ones that were screaming They're thinking. Oh my god We got to go Not to mention these those just flew out like nothing So he had a lot of screamers. He had a lot of Epileptic deliverances people falling down flying into things So it's can they come out different ways, but the key issue is in your ministry Don't put your focus on the manifestation. Just keep going for repentance and sin and truth and forgiveness And this kind of thing focus on that make sure that person's repenting when I had this Couple here. That's what I was doing. I was getting her to repent of spending years committing adultery with a drug addict And had two kids and then put the two kids in the line of fire for the devil You did that You sacrificed your kids you Committed the sin see what I'm doing. I'm going for this I'm not trying to yell at a heroin demon Come on there. You drug demon I first was trying to get him to repent and Apologize to god for ruining his life and repent of hurting your Your kids look what you've done That makes sense. It's personal to god It's personal So if you if you just do what what they do there, they have a subject they teach on That's a good subject and they do a good job. I'm not knocking them But I discount it. I left that system. I went to the personal repentance system that that has worked much better for me Question about the stronghold. I know when jesus had difficulty Getting a demon out of a man. He asked him Specifically, what was his name and he said legion for me for many So once he realized who the stronghold was he cast that out and all six thousand had to come out of that man So instead of tacking it in layers If someone has let's say asthma or allergies or whatever the the case may be Can we just go right to the stronghold? Which is the spirit of infirmity and cast that stronghold out and the rest of the spirits have to follow Chew that's a tough answer uh If the spirit of infirmity is holding on to a root of bitterness in the person I would go for the bitterness first To try to cut the legs out from the demon in there is what I would do I don't have jesus's anointing Or all of his giftings And i'm not even close So I i'm for approaching it, you know, i'm doing the best I can with what I got to work with right now So I would go for the thing the demons holding on to to keep the person in bondage And that's what i'm teaching you to do No offense. I don't think you have jesus's anointing either if you do i'm ready to sit down you get up here I didn't hear any takers. So let's go back to the way I do it Demons have what some people call legal rights You know call it whatever you want And they have strong man demons or controllers or Super whatever you want to call them make up your own terms They're holding on to something in this person They know something the person doesn't know and you and you and them you need to work together to minister them to figure out What that is what does that spirit know this person doesn't know? Because we told it to come out. It didn't come out See so we know it has to come out. So it's holding on to something Hi, brother mike. Um, my question is How do you know when you are? Call to a ministry like this or to help people To get delivered Well, no, that's that's i'm not able to answer that there's a million different ways the holy ghost has of Doing his stuff and I only know a fraction of it. He's so far beyond me.  I've read about all of them I read all the books on the faith healers random The trees are shaking Okay, I've fallen out of a tree a couple of times. I never had it shake by god So What happened to me was lee roy jenkins boom his arm is healed instantly in the in a service And uh, he's instantly given the gift of knowledge Okay, you ever heard of lee roy jenkins Oh Funniest story funniest guy you'll ever See in the ministry I went to a two week revival with lee roy jenkins years ago I'll never forget it. It's an unforgettable experience If you ever have a chance to see lee roy jenkins, he's in scotsdale You can't even believe it. He stands up there.  He's been involved in lawsuits and scandals and everything else I sat there for two weeks. I sat right on the front row Right in the front. I wanted to see the show and I'll never forget it Get a chance to see lee roy jenkins and enjoy yourself.  How would you differentiate that? Like you said, it's some a desire of your heart between that and uh The written word were like for example mark 16 those who believe will cast out demons Matthew 10 You know preach the the kingdom of gods at hand heal the sick cast out demons all the rest uh, and then like He also said, you know those who believe in me will do the works that I do And he said as a father said me. So I send you to his disciples. Um So it seems that we're a word you got a green light for the ministry of healing and deliverance and preaching the gospel um You know got that freedom But how would you differentiate that the written word between these experiences that people have Where they feel called to deliverance to like specializing it or whatever What's your take on that? Well, you just hit it um All christians no matter who they are can have those Yes, but they may not be called into a specific ministry. So you can cast out demons heal the sick if you're a truck driver She was asking me about people that were called and I assumed maybe I should have asked her I assumed she meant called in a full-time ministry by god into a 100% Ministry is what I was assuming I maybe I made a false assumption, but Casting out demons healing said that's for every christian That's not a you're not called into the ministry. It's yours for the taking Okay To ever be clean to ever be without one demon and yeah, sure Yeah, you can be completely delivered completely healed You can be totally healed completely healthy from if you had can't you can be completely healed of cancer completely delivered delivered you can Find your destiny you can have incredible rewards in heaven. Absolutely. It's all based on your free will Everything rotates on free will And you're here today learning. So that's that's positive your free will said I'll go ahead and listen to the shower guy Mike you mentioned legal rights now in your ministry Are you able to determine what those legal rights are sometimes god reveals it to you and then you can Name that legal right the person repents and then the demon will flee is that the process for determining? Oh, yeah You don't have to have a divine revelation Most of the time it's pretty obvious It was obvious with this couple here. Okay. He's a drug addict I don't need an angel to come down whisper money or hey mike what That's a sinner he's sinning. He's taking drugs. Thanks gabriel. Don't you have something to do dude? I got it That's a I know that's a sin She's Sleeping and living with him. They're not married Right I mean it's see it's all based on sin So don't think you have to have some special gifts or massive dissonance. No you You can grow into this thing. We're all growing. We never stop growing. No one ever learns everything. No one ever arrives Jesus arrived. We he's the only one nobody else ever arrived Paul even said it right peter I have not arrived. He said But this is one thing I'm doing Good peter All right, as anointed as paulsel paul was How do you end up with a messenger of saiyan in his flesh attempting him? Well, that's not what happened Uh anglos old satanus was the phrase there And what had happened was? God gave paul so many divine revelations.   That's not happening okay so The bible specifically says god allowed this fallen angel to Follow him around to keep him humble And it happens to us I have some of the most embarrassing things happen to me like a selfie in the shower I was just oh my god. I can't believe I blew it god.  Hey, you're you haven't arrived yet boy Keep going. Let's keep going Okay, and if that's why the bible always says be humble about stuff Just be a regular person don't get in that tv preacher mode That's a bastardized world of total spiritual insanity.  That's who you're to be and that's all I am whether I'll hug a transient in the hallway and I'll counsel a Preacher from a mega church. It doesn't matter.  That's the best way to do it It really is Best of ways it sometimes would be pray for people and they get healed past But when we pray for what self sometimes It sometimes It doesn't well. That's easy. She said if you Pray for others that's very common among preachers and I have it It's it's you have more faith praying for this person and you do yourself That's common among ministers Yeah, I have it yeah, that's routine. You'll see that all the time So brother might can you talk to them a little bit about how you used to teach isphibian? how you Was giving us instruction on when you're doing deliverance on a person and You know, it seems to be like this drawn-out process and you You know how you told us to stop and start digging Can you talk about that a little bit? Yeah, I'm getting right to that That's come up next Okay, so then all these people do deliverance here. This is a good friend of mine scott bitcom. He was just here a couple minutes ago He uses a different type of method of deliverance Katie uses it too A whole bunch of other people use it it started with larson It's this kind of interrogation system where you sit down with the spirits. You start talking to them You focus on their altars You send their spirits to heaven for judgment and so on that system Works for a small percent of people but it doesn't you can't apply it in a group and It's a soul-based wound system So the person then focuses on the wound on the person's soul You got abused as a child by your uncle so a wound scarred into The soul and and that's wound now causes emotional pain Went around certain types of people went in a certain type of environment that wound flares up. You can feel the pain in there That system focuses on each wound And to remove each one like one at a time The problem is If somebody has a whole rack of wounds You're looking at a six month job there Which the minister doesn't have time to do and then secondly as I mentioned earlier It's not a repentance based system Where you focus on this person's Personal iniquity The iniquity of the person is in them. The sin is usually outside of them But in christians a lot of the outside sin has already been repented of they've stopped doing a lot of stuff But the iniquity is still in there And so last night you saw a whole rack of people here with Iniquity So that system of deliverance doesn't focus on that iniquity So that makes sense. So if you do get a demon out Using that method they usually get back in quickly 24 hours two weeks They always come back. Oh my god. I don't feel good And then the person particularly the mentally ill it doesn't work at all for They have so many wounds thousands That you can't get It's a 10-year job. So anyway, they all have different methods Larson Triggered that method and it's spread all over the country. There's a guy in idaho. I wish I could remember his name He's really famous For using that method He's the number one guy anybody know his name Val you know that guy's name Iowa in Idaho You know that guy's name Okay, I'm sorry. I forgot I had it, but I've lost it there Must have left in the shower, but anyway That system is spreading wildly and again because listen carefully It's a system that is deliverance light. It's it's palatable It's palatable it doesn't cause A ruckus this system last night The jesus method of doing it was not palatable That is not going to be accepted here, but if you go to a foreign country, they don't they don't think anything of it South africa up. Oh, yeah deliver. Yep, that's fine Yeah, I watched a guy in africa doing mass deliverance and they bring out little trays We don't have trays. We have A dollar world buckets And Ours are a lot prettier which proves I'm divinely inspired, but There's people all over that church and nobody thinks anything of it.  That's not going to fly Okay, but I'll tell you what it flies with people who are god seekers and who are desperate to be healed That little group they'll they'll go for it. I'll do anything to get healed That's the person you're looking for in your ministry Yes, sir All right, let's get going here Oh Another somebody say something Oh, that's us. Yeah, we're we're stuck here Deliverance burnout Now you got to watch out for deliverance burnout, okay, because in this type of ministry it comes fast and furious Fast and furious And here's what happens the devil sends you people sometimes their plants But other times they're not plants They just won't come for help. They won't come here. So I develop the Deliverance list at least I email it to them. I'm trying, you know And then it says they won't listen When they do come for help They start their delivers.  Let me talk to you. How are things going? Well, we had a fight yesterday. Okay Didn't we go over that four different times? In six different counseling sessions Didn't you agree that you were going to stop? Yelling at each other in front of the kids didn't we already we Prayed over that didn't we We we talked to the lord about it. Didn't we? Hmm. Oh, you did it again. Did you Burn out coming on you you see that You feel that It's human nature to burn out with people like that They don't listen They don't listen Right, so listen what you got to do is Keep yourself focused on The good ones The people that did repent the people that do change Uh, your joy must come through the moving of the spirit and god's word You got to have your own private Prayer time and praise time. You got to do yourself maintenance, right?  I know what i'm talking about It is a tough business and then you throw in the devil fighting you every inch of the way You've asked for it All right Mark chapter 12. Here's what happens. This this is we'll also burn you out and you've got to Let it go Okay, jesus went over it.   That's what jesus said the last state of the man Was worse than the first There it is Worse than the first we'll take a five minute break If that's okay five minutes youtube and then I'll be right back. That's all I'll take So I don't want any bladder issues Because we have a lot of stuff sometimes the carpet. I don't need the bladder issue on the carpet The restrooms are out this door to my left down the hall And we'll be back in five minutes. Just take a quick break And Get it again Okay, uh Ready to go for uh Phase two We usually lose a few people After phase one. So don't worry about that They'll probably go home and watch my shower video on facebook Oh, wow I had no idea that was going to cause a problem If I did I wouldn't done it No, don't google it It's been taken off google I think All right now, uh For your ministry you'll need to know Uh, I try to stay as close to the new testament as possible There's all kinds of different ministries out there that uh Name millions of demons Thousands of them hundred thousand tens of thousands or whatever the total is And everybody always comes up for a name for different demons So I try to kind of stay away from that as much as I can Uh Although a lot of it is valid But here in the bible, here's here's the names of spirits That uh Are outlined in the text, okay, so Oba means uh in Hebrew means to mumble Uh seducing spirits of planet spirit as demons who deceive Cathartus spirits are impure unclean spirits are impure spirits morally impure That's what it means Panerous spirits are perverted spirits Dimonian is the greek word for demon And if spirits of infirmity esthania means spirits that cause some kind of feebleness Those are the ones that cause illnesses sicknesses cancers different things like that And then he mentioned deaf and dumb spirits Those are spirits that affect your speech and your hearing and they hide in the brain right Now when you minister to people and you minister them at the altar Now we get to the part that vivian was asking me about You have to learn to uh go for The biggest bang for your buck You have to try to Get to the part that you'll get the most productivity out of because If you're at the home group or church or at the altar or something you don't have a lot of time to spend with the person You can't sit there for six hours or spend the weekend with them. It's not going to happen You may only see that person once In your entire lifetime Which happens a lot I've had people come here for deliverance never heard from them again And never never called never nothing So here's what here's the basics of it. Let's take issue number one Mind control, okay when that person's standing there You know that they have spirits That's affecting their mind That's a gimme And here's how it works as you know Paul said if our gospel is hidden it's hidden to those who are lost in whom the god of this world It actually should have been translated as age. I own as an age As blinded the minds That should have been translated not among thoughts Of those which believe not that should have been translated our unbeliever And as you know, there's two types of unbelievers sinners and christians Sinners don't believe at all and they're not born again period But christians do believe but they don't believe in a lot of other things about god Each denomination has things they do not believe One of them is what we're talking about tonight Healing and deliverance many churches and denominations do not believe in that In fact some of them believe it died out with the apostles And it's been over since the first century They just they're not believers so they don't believe in deliverance Or healing or anything else and so if you don't believe in it That's true But it doesn't exist only for you if you don't believe in it If if you say god doesn't heal that's true. He doesn't but it only applies to you You won't get healed If you don't believe in speaking of tongues, that's true It did die out, but it only died out for you Because you don't believe it Whatever you choose not to believe in the bible will then subsequently not apply to you And so here you see the devil is able to block human beings minds from receiving truth Spirits are able to put thoughts in the mind Lies in the mind and they are able to control your mind depending upon The type of sin you've been involved in how long you've been sinning and the kind of demons you let in So that person standing there I know has got spirits talking to them in their mind And I have to quickly overcome that at the altar And I don't have much time to do it. So I got to ask some very important questions. I got to ask them quickly So like I said that couple that was there I was a befuddled initially, but then I Got more information on her and so then I saw that the demons had told her and him That it was okay if you're living together That's okay There's no sin there And then they also didn't think their kids could have demons So those are lies. They're all lies And I uncovered those lies in her mind and then told her hey, that's a sin. You have to repent of that So I gave her truth. You know the truth and truth will make you free The only way to help somebody who's believing a lie is to give them the truth That won't work unless they accept it Truth won't do you any good unless you accept it The woman did accept it And the reason for that the holy ghost was on her It wasn't me doing a great sales pitch I don't have those kind of skills But the conviction of the spirit is the most beautiful thing you can possibly see and just hits the person And that's like hitting the lottery And so the whole system here is based on the moving of the holy ghost And not based on anything I'm doing And that's what you want You don't want the system based on me or you That's your asset So the person has got mind issues as soon as they came down You know when they got out of their chair, you know, they're believing lies The question is what lies are they believing? The reason the devil feeds them lies and blocks truth is If the light of the glorious gospel of christ shines unto them, they're going to get a benefit out of that And the stronghold of the devil will then teeter totter down And paul said like I just said I don't preach myself When he was a head Pharisee He would promote himself as Being a great accomplished person So paul went to the polar opposite When he got filled the holy ghost He then took himself out of the equation and then shoved christ first And that's how you're going to do it So you can see the holy spirit move The holy ghost likes that jesus first stuff He likes that he enjoys it that Makes him feel good And you want him feeling good because he's the only hope we've got here But we don't want to do anything to grieve him And paul then went from the polar opposite him. I'm a king of the Pharisees now. Now I'm just a servant That's why christian education and college and seminary. That's why it's so Terrible Because when you graduate you think you know something and that's when the danger comes in when you think you've got it That's when the devil's got you The moving the spirit doesn't depend on your education or your skills or your knowledge or your wisdom or you In your greatness. That's not how he folks focuses.  Okay, timothy is this powerful man of god Something happened to him. We don't know what it was and he was Anointing and his gifting started to fizzle out Start dropping So paul sends him a letter says timothy dude Restir this thing back up you have this great gift and It was related something to do with I think fear of people Back then they had persecution. They don't have it now, but they have it back then And so my guess is timothy was being persecuted and That's that's a frightening thing to be beaten and I'm threatened with your life.  You have dunamis supernatural holy ghost power and you have softenism You have a Steady well working well organized mind. You have the mind of christ. You've renewed your mind So in lieu in lieu of the fact you've got those three benefits Which are the ones you need those three benefits If you don't have unconditional love for people this is the last ministry you need to be in Because there's no benefits to it nobody thanks you Nobody follows me around looking for an autograph No, there's never a crowd around me in fact they're running They see me there. Oh my god. I went to a counseling session four years ago with him. I told him my you know, I was eating Humans when I was on an African trip. Oh, he remembers that they don't know.  He wanted to be forgiven Are you kidding me forgiveness is always on the table for god when you confess He's right there every single time without a failure Never fails, but he was not doing it. See the it was fear. It was cowardice These people you're ministering to they're they have coward demons and they're afraid They don't want to even be embarrassed in public.  Do I have a hole? What a way? That's him He's trying to make you feel self-conscious and insecure And that's one reason I dim the lights during the deliverance portion. It gives people a little more privacy comforts trying to get them to Chill and Step out past that coward demon Because a lot of people are just They don't want to have to admit it. They don't want to face themselves. They don't want to repent It's all related to the spirit of cowardice Philippians 4 when the person comes up. You know, they're not doing this You know, this is a problem Their minds are not renewed or they wouldn't be coming up here in a certain area And Paul said listen Lagizumai is the key element To people being healed and I bootleg that into my plan of spirits book for mental illness The focus it means what you focus on not a thought coming in That's not i'm a this is lagizumai is what you're focusing on what you're putting your mental energy into And the people that come up for prayer to see you Are focusing on demonic negativity And you already know that before you're praying for them So somebody comes up and says I need prayer for my knee Well, that's not it The knee and maybe just a symptom of it. There's another issue there There's more than a bad knee there and it relates to their mind And what they're focusing on and what they're not focusing on Which is the process of renewing your mind? And Paul said this will help you renew your mind. Voila philippians fabulous Focus on these things Not these things see And if they will Switch over there you can get rid of the victim mentality of the person because that's a mind based system Like I was molested. I was beaten up. I was bullied in school. I'm a victim And victims can't get healed Victimization and victory are polar opposites So I know Ministering the person I have to get that person. That's what I was doing with this kid No, that's not true. The blood of jesus will cover any sin. He wants to forgive you He wants to do it now. He can't wait to do it. I was trying to get him to Switch over to flippians 4 in essence body dysmorphia mental illness click Polar opposite I'm I'm my body looks horrible. I'm too fat. I'm too scared. It's a mind based illness So you know when you're ministering them you got to figure out what they're Logizam I what are they mentally focusing on? What's the real truth? Brother Mike my back pray for my back. It's more than your back So you got to ask some other questions easy to do Brother Mike you pray for my back. When did it start hurting? I don't know red flag bang I just I just stepped on one You don't know when your back started hurting Probably demonic almost every case When did you hurt your back? Oh, I fell off a roof when I was working for gosnell construction in 1998 Probably not demonic. It sounds like an injury trauma injury Right see the difference Little things like that you learn and the key to ministry is experience And your ability to Embrace your errors Your your mistakes are your friends Okay, the apostle paul never became the apostle paul In damascus That was only his deliverance and healing period He grew into the greatest christian of all time. He took time Through experience through failures through beatings through whippings through shipwrecks And the more you do it the more you learn But if you get hung up on your failures, you'll stop If you logizuma your failures You'll be hesitant to go forward You have to overcome that Delia cowardice That's a coward spirit telling you You don't want to fail do you?  No, that's a coward demon You force your way through that in jesus money name It's okay to make mistakes.  You can't even count them Every multi-millionaire Warren Buffett had more bad investments. You could shake a stick at when he was in his early 20s But Buffett Understood this concept. He's not even a christian Hey, I made my mistakes. I'll make the adjustment. I'll include that concept in my evaluative portfolio And then I'll buy a company that meets that criteria He lost money here then he made money here He ended up the greatest stock market investor in history Because he learned From his errors You have to do it to to do this kind of work or otherwise you got to get a bus ministry You got to do the custodial work Okay There's not a lot of mistakes to make in custodial. Yeah, you'll knock over a can one You do that like once a quarter. It's no big deal here. No, you're dealing with people. These are demons You gotta you're going to make mistakes here things are not going to go Your way and the holy spirit knows you're going to make a mistake before you Make it and so he's got a training thing already set up for you It's it's incredible Think on these things focus on these things Then he says After you use your mind You must then Do it. I'm sharing some things with you today. Some of it's good. Some of it's bad If you just sit here and listen to me and walk out the door And you don't do anything You wasted your day here. You'd had more fun Working the bottle of jack daniels You're wasting your time Paul says Some people are ever learning but they never come to the knowledge of the truth You know why? Because they don't do what they learned People learn better. It's a proven scientific fact They learn better by doing something than they do just thinking about it Yeah, every every Every secular class you've ever had but didn't you have auto mechanics? I had auto mechanics in high school And I learned different techniques on how to screw up a car You have to learn to do it to screw it up And then to fix it from your screw up That's the only way to learn You can't learn anything By sitting around Gee Does he ever stop talking?  Hey, I'm a servant What do I need to learn from that one? Oh, I shouldn't have said it that way Or I said I should have started on that first. See then go to the next one and make that adjustment Warn buffet it and click it over Then he says do it. See you've learned it Okay, that's not good enough to learn it. That's only cremped Preliminary you received it. Okay, that's good. That's great Not good enough You heard it and you saw me do it great wonderful not good enough Now go Karina leave it seems like what sir? Oh Thanks with Hollywood Horror movies all of this That the devil has done a job on the church Putting people in this posture of fear And so we get stuck there There was a time years ago. I was in Salem, Massachusetts with a prayer team We were praying over the area where the witch trials and all of that happened And out of that the lord gave me a Like a download showing me that since The 1690s in America because of what happened in Salem Put the church back on its heels regarding witchcraft All that kind of activity and with the the church kind of set back in this posture of Of fear Hysteria All of the things that came out of that that the church Set back into a passive neutral position which allowed Witchcraft then to have free license to be rampant all over The nation it took hold after that And so we get Caught in that position of I don't want to be proactive in this. I don't want to do anything because It's uncomfortable I feel weird because there's not many people doing it All these different things that you have to overcome inside of yourself to step out And believe these things really are happening And then you will begin to see that they actually are So it's like you believe first And then the evidence of it all begins to Manifest right before your eyes To validate and verify that what you're believing and seeing and doing is actually true and does Does the name of Jesus really have this kind of power and authority? And until you see it active coming out of your own mouth And manifesting before you that demons really do tremble at that name They really do Fly out of people at that name Then unless you step out and begin to do it The confidence won't build inside of you the boldness You will struggle with the fear of these things happen And you just like you said you have to step out and believe and do Right 100% sure All right That's issue one Here's issue two. I don't think I only have four of them When this person's standing there, whoever your ministry to church and home group that person has Physical pain and emotional pain Or both one of the other are both And In job it just highlights it 14 His flesh upon him shall have pain and his soul within him shall more Yeah, the person's soul is where their emotions come out of And if the soul is scarred or wounded the person has permanent Emotional illness in that area And it's almost always a trauma-based issue And it's usually childhood. So if you start With someone you're praying with With their childhood or their parents normally you'll get a hit Normally 90% of the time 10% of the people to it. No, I had a great childhood. My parents were great. They were just fantastic But that's not going to happen that much So each person you find is going to have pain in their body or pain in their soul And they also think like this. Here's how they think The person you're ministering to is saying Psalm 13 how long will you forget me lord? Are you going to forget me forever? How long will you hide from me many people who come up to see you for prayer Actually feel like motions soul that gods hiding from them and he doesn't want to help them They truly feel that And this is a person you're going to face constantly in your ministry How long should I take out of my soul having?  How long should my enemy be exalted over me?  He doesn't care. He's not going to help you not interested in you. He doesn't like you There's a million different lies. They're all lies God is very interested in you Loves the stuff and I'll be a cat thinks about you all the time He never has a bad thought about you the demons will never tell you that truth They'll always tell you something this a lie And you'll see this Some constantly in your ministry all the time Job 3 why is light given to him that is in misery?  That's it I I don't know.  You don't have much time So it has to be done quickly you got to ask pinpoint questions Not how are you boy?  It's not because you're not interested. You don't care It's an altar call. We got to get this person healed quickly And some of them really have they've been praying that too. So they'll tell you that I've been asking god to take me home They'll say it right to you Okay, so that's what this person is here You know some people have just quit and they don't want to live anymore So you offer them life you offer them hope and they still reject it right So here's another technique for overcoming hopeless people. It works with doubters too You ask them what's wrong with them. I try and get a Quick list of it. It's you it's always more than one thing I'm depressed my knees hurt I got migraines So I go lord. I'm going to go for the knee and You try to get the knee healed which clicks hope Okay, so if god will heal your knee That means he's a here in this room Be interested in you and see has supernatural power. He just healed your knee.  Oh my shoulders killing me. Oh, well, it's Okay, I got bipolar. Okay All right. God doesn't love me. No I'll go for the shoulder first okay shoulder healed Click a little bit of hope there That makes sense You can kind of work your way up to some people who are really down like these scriptures Illustrate But the tv preacher crap and the emotional crap doesn't work for him.     That's the problem I've been praying and asking lord to kill me and I always tell him that's a prayer.  Oh gosh, I I'm glad that one was ignored I was off my game Jesus said What I know all about pain in the soul He was tempted every way like we are Everything came to him the money the glory the pride the women They all hitting the devil hitting with everything you can hit him with plus more Plus more than we've ever faced. That's why He is our factual high apostle and high priest who makes intercession for him every day Because he is not above the feelings of our infirmities Because he knows what hurts us why because he's been there Here he is his soul is sorrowful.  You're thinking about it You're focusing on it And your soul is now getting involved because You have an emotional pain over what that person did or anger Or hopelessness or whatever the emotion is After you choose in your mind to forgive someone You can still have ought for that person And that's that sense or feeling that You don't want to stay the heck away from me And so that could block the person's healing down here So you have to Find out from them quickly Do you have anybody you have bad feelings for? If you word it that way I've noticed over the years they will You know pretty regularly tell me They'll think about it for a second. Oh, yeah, Kathy the gallant works stemmed in the back last week Okay Well, the bible requires us to pray for Kathy and bless her and forgive her Would you be willing to repent of those bad feelings you have for Kathy? I'm doing this quickly because I'm trying to get this thing going And then if they go no, then I got to confront that person listen there I'll pray for you, but I you know your chance to get healed or Down because Jesus said You got to fix your ought You're not supposed to be running around with rotten feelings for other people.   You're a child of God And you're supposed to be different than the world you are called out of the world into God's heavenly kingdom You're not supposed to have these negative rotten emotions for other people And it's iniquity In the heart So then if they say well, I don't know I can't remember Then you don't let them get away with that you can't or you're going to be wasting your time So then you go for the Most obvious ones.  Oh, well, yeah, it was my dad Oh, your dad. Well, what'd he do to you? What happened? well, God he left me and then He didn't take care of me and then he wouldn't send you get that little story And then I say well, what was your dad's name was bob. Okay. Well, you know the bible requires that we Pray for bob and bless him and release him from your soul And you need to get bob out of your soul and you get that wound out of there You need to get that ought out of there those negative feelings for bob And we can the holy spirit will help you do that right now I've seen nine hundreds of people healed right on the spot like that, but they have to confess it and face it And that's what I'm trying.   He has his job.  He ain't doing his job He's not going to do anything If he was going to do something they wouldn't be standing there. They were been healed six months ago and they don't need you They're standing here. So I already know Something needs to be done Right and I'm just common-sensing this thing You got to focus on these two issues and you got to fish it out of them Because it'll block your deliverance So this lady here after I got the deliverance started over repenting of adultery with him Then I went to a whole range of other issues I sensed she had and sure enough the spirits were blowing out of her huge But I went on a fishing expedition Now if your wiggle's worth that's a different story, okay The name of Jesus go Oh, the demons just flew out of the room. Okay, I get that Okay, I'm not wiggle's worth No offense You're not either Okay, we are what we are and we're on our growth path We're on our learning curve and so Don't focus on a wiggle's worth Just focus on where I'm going to be tomorrow. Let's get a little more growth here Keep going there. Okay This is kind of boring teaching, but it's really good teaching. It's really Kind of nuts and bolts stuff that nobody focuses on but it's important material It's not something you're cheering over Look, I know that Not only doing this temporarily When the revival hits here We're killing this world or tearing phoenix apart This will be the number one deliverance center in the entire country People will be flying here like buzzing like bees to get here Because I'm just setting the thing up. It takes time to grow into What's going to happen? Because I want to believe that it doesn't matter what you believe. I believe it I'm standing here. You ain't standing here Well, that was another issue It's gonna be over here in a minute That those other people shouldn't have left Okay, offending and taking offenses Every person that comes up here at your home group at church They are they have a little supernatural sponge Inside their soul. What is it?  I'm getting nowhere I'm not going to let the person off the hook. I'm going to go to the other spouse Hey, what do I got to lose? What's wrong with him? Well, the other spouse will tell me That's right. Yeah That's right folks. You got a master's degree. You don't And as soon as they say something well, what he does is I'm looking at the other spouse out the corner And what he does and I'm watching them and they'll react instantly What was that that's that is fence sponge And there's an offense sponge in there and it is hell on wheels You can't imagine how horrible Fences are they are absolutely terrible The devil loves him and uses him constantly Work school family for he's hitting at every angle from somebody to trigger that Fence sponge to absorb another offense No healing no deliverance. You're done.   I care about this person And in order to get that person, you know, I got to get that offense sponge Wrong out You do the same thing again. What do you do to you? How do you hurt you? Who was it? Okay Now you don't go any further now. I mean you don't go. What's a full name and social security number that person Raved you what's her address? Come on I just get the first name. That's all you need the Holy Ghost notes all about that I don't need to get all the information for him. He needs to give me the information What's his name Bob Bob did that to you? Okay We are going to do a number on Bob right now. We're going to bless him and forgive him We're going to pray over him. We're going to ask God to forgive him We're going to ask All the people Bob hurt to be healed. We're going to I just whatever I can come up with I come up with it And then I check the reaction of that person how'd that go?  It is just this instant physical slump there I'm watching that person if they're not slumping and I see the Spirit of God On them and they're responding Now I've got a shot at getting that person healed. I can get that a fence sponge out of there Ring that thing out and they bang they can get a miracle from God Yeah, if they won't face it Man, we're stuck You can't force somebody to get healed. So Whatever you do don't ever get down on yourself if somebody's not listening Hey, it's bad ground. Don't worry about it. Go to the next one Okay, Luke 17 Then said Jesus and the disciples it's impossible that offenses will come Okay, so the person that That offended you or hurt you That's never going to cease the whole world is offensive Particularly here in america now with politics I mean it's split right down the middle and this side hates that side. I've never seen anything like it not in my lifetime There's always been some kind of mix between now. It's just click There's this huge gap between the two sides and it's nasty.  How do you drain out the offense sponge again completely? No, you you can't bring it out. You got to find out What's in it first?  I command all the offenses come on. They're not going to come out The person has to repent of it and release them It's all a free will based system So if I was draining out my own offense sponge, I would uh Find the cause forgive that person bless them So basically through forgiveness and blessing them it's strained out Yes, you can get this fence sponge out Same thing the other side of the coin. The biggest one is self offenses Uh, I made bad choices.   I failed at that job. I blew that business. I got fired.  He can actually take your stinking past and turn it into your future asset How does he do it? It's supernatural. How does he do anything?  Yeah, they were starting helping other addicts recover right So they go into their new world They relapse later of course, but they mean they go in this temporarily They're not using so they're actually giving them some insights on how they got out of it.  How does the devil do it most?  Can you imagine the demons like people to get prayer?  It's a setup. Okay, and then Jesus said in john 16 You know where this is from 1415 1617 that section of the john Is probably the most important text in all the bible Older new testament The revelations and those four chapters are shocking And he finishes up three chapters and he says listen. I told you all of those incredible things 1450 I told you them for this reason What's that? I don't want you taking offenses Translation I you cannot keep an offense sponge And be in the ministry It won't work yesterday I'm at walmart. I'm at the customer service counter I go there every month to send money to The church we helped start in gana. I send money to a preacher in Nigeria And it well i'm not sending it you're donating it. So thank you for that I send them to another I send this money, you know mission type money Every month I send it over on money gram on walmart and this lady I always go to the walmart at union hills, but my wife says I don't like that walmart Okay, we're going to the one up on beardsley Well, I don't know anybody on beardsley. I know all the customer service people at walmart because I always go there They see me come in they know exactly what I want They process it through I said, okay I made the uh typical mistake of a husband by listening to their wife And I go up to walmart and I run into a lady who? She's waiting on me and she is a chronic Complainer I felt so sorry for She had an offense spun in the size of a basketball in there And she's starting non-stop telling me and explaining to me how hard it is to work at walmart because these people They say this they say that they go here. They go there And I said they're going Why'd you take this job that's walmart?  It's walmart That's part of the job description People don't know what they're doing. They don't know where they're going. They're in the wrong line. They don't that's the normal thing Hey, it's retail This poor gal had to suspend and this went on non-stop all free Transactions And I'm just sitting there. Yeah, that's true. Then she stopped No, sir, that's not the right line.   Where you been? Well, I've been Looking at this lady. She had an offense spot.    It's going to happen Okay, you cannot take offenses and be in the ministry here are the Scriptures for taking offenses right there number one number two Here's why offenses are so horrible In christians, you will lose your ministry and your destiny. Matthew 13 Parable of sower What happens the person starts out great and guess what happens? He endures for a while, but being tribulation Persecution because the god's word comes along He is Scandalizo offended or appalled That's why jesus told him over and over If this person doesn't want you Keep your blessing go to the next house If they ever said then place your best blessing there, but just kick the dust off your feet. That was a symbol of Look Let it go Don't take an offense Because had the disciples taken offenses none of us would be saved Because the gospel would have never made it out of jerusalem They were constantly hounded Persecuted whatever they went through as it was tough Really tough and it had they taken offenses There would be no gospel And if you take offenses there will be no gospel in your life okay, so if you got a fence The fence funds in there, excuse me, and and it's related to your spouse or this kid, but not that one You've got to get it fixed before you go into your ministry got to get that fixed You'll never make it and if it's against you. Oh, you're in trouble You'll never make you got to forgive yourself You got to start over Matthew 13 again The thorns Remember this one He was doing great. He heard the word he went forward doing fantastic. What happened uh-oh The anxieties of this world the deceitfulness of riches Choked him out You got to kind of have a singleness of purpose to do this kind of ministry Because it's not something you can handle casually And why is this so important? If you get somebody saved That's good news The devil doesn't like it But he's got a backup plan for it If you get somebody healed oh my back's healed He doesn't like that either but He's got a backup plan for that one He doesn't have a backup plan if the spirits are removed from the person because that's his control mechanism of the person He can't control that person If they're saved still controls them if they're healed. He still controls them If they're thrown out he loses his control over that person And deliverance is a ministry where you're messing around The day the devil's lunch table you're getting into his business and You've got to be sure You understand that and there's going to be retaliation you've got to have As much pulled off the table for him to Get as filthy hands on as possible And one of them are offenses Taking offenses giving offenses being offensive as a person Very dangerous for you Stony ground you notice there there's some some grass growing there, but it's so Spars it's just not good Notice there's thorns growing. There's something growing there, but man.  We went over that scripture last night It says fathers do not provoke your children to Barragizzo Do not enrage them Why They'll be they'll pick up your demons and they'll be discouraged Bring them up in the paideia discipline and admonition of the lord Wives submit yourself to your own husbands not somebody else's Your husband who potaso means to Subordinate yourself So that would be uh like this It's simply a term used to To determine rank not value It's a positional term wife Husband kids That's the god's position in the family It has nothing to do with the value of the person This person that person the kids they're all loved equally in god's eyes Each one of them are valuable to god equally But it's a structural issue okay Over here a lady came up last night and she was telling me the story about how she was mad at her dad and He had made her do something that was going to hurt her sister and She was mad at him But she said you have to honor your parents. So I did it anyway And I said was it wrong to do that? I thought it was wrong. I didn't want to do it. I'm mad at him over it. I said well, see you've misinterpreted Honor and you don't understand what that means If the husband is the head of the household Tells the wife wife that she's won the hooker of the month club And she's to go down to the local brothel and earn enough money to make the car payment She is to tell him no That's a sin. I'm not doing that that's not Going in doing that is not honoring this person. It's a dishonoring god If that makes sense if this spouse Tells the person or the wife tells the kids or whatever Go sin yourself out your your answer is no.  I'm just telling you no That's a sin. That's wrong In other words, this does not mean Unconditional obedience Women will not do this particularly alpha females. They won't do it Because they don't trust this person If the wife has been abused or Betrayed or degraded by men when they were younger They do not want to submit or Who potasso subordinate to a male because they don't trust them You can't submit yourself to someone you don't trust Correct These people hate trump. They don't want nothing to do with him because they don't trust him Trump doesn't like the north koreans. He doesn't trust them So he's not going to submit to them. He doesn't trust it. It's a trust issue The lie is that by by faith doing it The holy spirit's Going to going to abandon you. In fact, he will not you're honoring god Even though this spouse here has got a series of proclivities to put him mildly So now in our society this this person is now gone most of the time It's now you know, I've got female dominated homes that causes all kinds of demonic spiritual issues But there's nothing can be done because there's nobody left the kids got to have somebody okay, it says wives Subordinate not become a slave. It doesn't mean they're a slave To your own husbands. Nobody else is a naco. This is proper This is the right thing to do husbands though. Check it out Husbands Agapete Show your wife Unconditional love see that Now you see how the system works This greek word Agapete Is in the present active tense Verb All right, let's just pretend this is my wife. There she is She's almost a size and shape of my life by the way. What's that verse say? I love you No, I love you. I love you I love you Love you Love you Present active tense verb Not uh, love you. See you next month Adios Chicks That is not showing Unconditional Love is it? No, what'd you do today?  I ruined dinner and then I ran the car through the roof I love you It's unconditional love notice that she ran the car in and I Love you anyway. I'm not happy about it. It doesn't say be happy But it's unconditional love god's not happy when you screw up, but his unconditional love is present active tense It's always there for you So if if I continue to love her She will not feel intimidated or she will not feel that she can't trust me if she subordinates under me There's no reason for her to Not trust me I unconditionally showing my love continuously for her Present active tense verb This isn't the verse Love you, hun. Why'd you screw that up? What?  See I'm not that's not present active tense. I'm not can Don't you see now now i'm criticizing. She's now starting to not trust me Am I explaining this right the verse says what it says? and this works This will work if the husband Continuously actively Demonstrates unconditional love for the wife in spite of her errors failures and foibles which the husband has and we all have Don't be bitter against them How was I getting bitterness? I was taking an offense at her screwing up the dinner and wearing that outfit. What are you? I? Where's your new shoe? See how i'm taking a fencer I bought her shoes. She don't wear them That's an offense sponge Now we're dead in the water. She won't trust me I don't unconditionally love her I conditionally love her when her shoes are on When her outfit's right when the chili looks good You following this that That's how it works And that's why wives don't want to submit to their husband. They don't trust them Fathers now children This is interesting the greek word is tecna. It means young children like junior high school He's talking to young younger kids How are you This kid is in this verse Tecna obey your parents and the lord Why is he telling that well? He doesn't want we went over it last night. He doesn't want to curse the fall on the kids For dishonoring their parents This pleases the lord Now remember it doesn't say Sin for your parents Hey, I want you to develop some good shoplifting skills son. We're out of No, that's stealing. That's a sin. That's not what it's talking about That's not obeying your parents and the lord That's in sin. It says obey your parents in the lord Fathers do not procure provoke your children. They will be a female They will become disheartened When someone is disheartened it's like chronic fatigue syndrome. They don't want to do anything They don't they don't want to be anywhere. They don't want to talk to you They don't want to they're just worn out so the kids begin to distance themselves From the parents They become disheartened Colossians 3 whatever you do do it hardly to the lord And not to men Okay, so if you make a sacrifice here Or you make a sacrifice somewhere else In your ministry in church, what have you If you're doing it just for the person Your satisfaction will last temporarily But if you're doing it for the lord it lasts eternally because you just racked up a reward In your treasure box in heaven. Jesus said lay not up For yourselves treasures on this earth Moz get it at rush but lay it up in heaven Where it is eternally Put there It's yours forever Even if I give somebody a cup of water With a good heart in the name of the lord that is stored up translation even the littlest things you do for god He saw it And he Noted it In your treasure box in heaven Even if nobody noticed it Or if they did notice it even they don't care Doesn't matter father saw it and put it away for you And you got to have faith to believe that it's a hundred percent faith Because you can't see the treasure box You're you're not serving these people you're serving god Whoever comes to my office for counseling They come in some of them are dressed nice Some of them smell good They're not in my league, but anyway they come in they look good. They smell good Some of them come in Whoa, they stick they are dressed like hobos I treat them both the same Same hug same love doesn't matter why I'm not doing this just for them. I'm doing it because I'm Have the privilege of serving the lord So I have to be As james would say Don't bring these rich people and sit them in the front And leave the other people dumped out there. I don't do that. They sit wherever they want That's how you look at it. Am I right? It says it right there. Wow This kid here Has heard their dad bark at them so long. They can't hear them anymore Literally Husbands when we talk to you They'll talk right to you about something and then you'll go what? You didn't even hear it That's happening to me once or twice over the years It hadn't happened often But I have not heard a word she said And I mean not just this wife and all the other ones Males are tone deaf And you can develop that that's a demonic skill you can develop to not hear things That you don't want to hear and that girl and kids nowadays. They're on there They can't hear you You're tuned out and you're right there talking to them She does not hear that megaphone in her ear She doesn't trust him. She doesn't respect him So she doesn't listen Now here's what you need to do.  We're almost done And just go to one of these areas and if you can remember this Most of the time you're going to get a hit and help somebody Most of the time it's usually not all it could there could be a witchcraft issue or something like that Or Mason's or more or false religion, but if you hit the parents Their children their church somebody at church is a huge issue Self hatred of self disgust of self regrets spouse ought Unforgiveness these things here if you'll hit them first if you don't have a lot of time Most of the time you can get a hit Because that's just most of the Issues that will come out an altar call And you want to get those issues out Instead of just trying to bark demons out of them Okay, you'll be there