Framework because they talk about the urban design. The most important is the urban design framework, which already has been created in Oji, which we need to stitch together and we need to probably evolve it and take it further. There are frameworks for water, there are quite a lot of things which we need to understand and work. And the proposals, proposals are the ones which works on infrastructure as a proposal. Proposed land use maps, like now proposed infrastructure lines. So all these things are proposals and their strategies. Strategies are like something like how do we regularize something that has been built without an NOC or something like that. What is the strategy to incorporate them? What is the strategy to ensure that we work on a certain, achieve certain mobility? So these are the things which will be worked out. And then environment and safety, environment is not only ecology. We have to ensure that we define our pollution norms where we have to move as a town collectively. We have to define the safety of the town, how do we move forward, especially when it comes to elderly people, physically disabled, safety for the children. And then we have complaints to government policies in formulation of policies. See there are already certain policies and laws in the state government, in the central government, which we have to be compliant with. But at the same time we also have to, we need to formulate certain policies. Like how do you allocate housing in a certain way? How do you build, how do you use the water? There are quite a lot of policies which also needs to be tacked. Because giving maps alone is not going to solve our problem. It has to be addressed along with the policies which we are creating. And then of course the development rules, the building by laws, FARs, like the architectural guidelines, the urban design guidelines, all these things will be there. Then we will be talking about resource mobilization. Now these are all the technical part of it. Then we go about how this could be implemented and what phases it could be implemented. One of the questions which was asked by two, three members to Helmut was like, the construction happens, how is it going to happen? I don't foresee everything will start, happens that construction here, there and everywhere. I think there will be a phasing plan where we have to ensure that we know that it happens in a certain phase way that all these things are mitigated and at the same time life can go on at the time. It can't be like everywhere at the same pace. Yes, I'm sorry, I don't have much of a colorful slide like what Helmut had. I think you have to bear with me for a few more slides. So the roadmap, now what we are trying to do is the first stage, there is an inscription report which is being under preparation because it's not that TDC is preparing. We are looking at Vasti Shilpa consultants as a lead consultant in helping in preparing the DDP and apart from that we will also be collaborating with other consultants as a mobility and an infrastructure planner from Bombay. We are in touch with them. Anupama, she is now part of the technical team of TDC. We are in touch with Andrea Kamarata. We are reaching out to all the consultants who have been part of TDC in the past. Jacqueline Omar has been a great advisor to us. So there have been quite a lot of people who have been helping us and supporting us in moving forward. So this inscription report will help us to define the roles, responsibilities and to see how as a team we could move forward. Then we have the data collection and analysis. Then the urban form parameters. Urban form parameters are defined by Roger as I mentioned that there have been quite a lot of sketches and other things. And appropriate planning standards. So this is the first stage in which we have worked on. Now the second thing is we will be working on identifying proposals. See the uniqueness of the urban compared to other topics most of you would be knowing. But just like I said before I want to address the larger audience in the community. We have a certain form and we have a certain way of how the form is grounded. So we need to understand that and we need to move from that. Unlike in Pondicherry or somewhere else like where an urban sprawl and an urban sprawl is trying to be contained. Now here we are actually not starting from urban sprawl. We are starting from an urban form with a clear definition with zones, with usage for zones and many other things. So what we would be looking at is to identify the pockets and the densities based on that urban form. So we need to first identify how do we get the population spread out across the densities. Now this would help us to formulate the infrastructure capacities, the mobility capacities, all these things would be formulated based on that. The next is we will be coming up with an urban design guideline which will help us to formulate the mobility pattern. Because now we have the densities, at least we have made simulation of the forms. We come up with analysis and then we have a certain urban design guidelines. And then which will also help us to understand how the mobility could work on a very preliminary level. And the most important is the surface water flow, how the surface water flows. And this based on this we will be coming up with a preliminary proposal for sectors. These are very preliminary level, conceptual level things which would be now taken up with infrastructure planning. Because based on this infrastructure plans would be formulated on a preliminary level. This would eventually help us to come up with guidelines for a final infrastructure plan, layouts, demarcations, phasing plan, implementation plan, and finally a submission of a draft DDT. Now this is the roadmap which we are looking at. I might also be a little bit wrong. I think you know Mr. Rajeev is the best person. Probably it might also go for a change. You might shuffle it there and there. But more or less this is the extent to which what we are looking as a part of DDT. So this eventually means we would start with understanding and respecting the realities. We also respect the urban form and how do we ground that urban form to the reality on the ground. And I am extremely happy that dream weaving session is actually is an attempt to move in the direction where we understand the form and we see how we could actually match it to the reality. And not only like I said, not only are we going to decode the form, but we are also going to work out the details of how urban traffic can be built and how it could be phased, how it could be implemented. So ideally we feel if this is done, I think my contribution to all of this is done, I think. I can retire and go back and live in Oakley or something like that. So what are the layers in DDT which we are trying to attempt? Why is this important? Because every town has certain unique ways and there are certain unique layers which needs to be addressed. Like the historical town heritage culture may be an important area. If it's a hill town, obviously we have forest and ecology will be an important place. So we have actually identified six layers, town planning because it also talks about the laws, the planning standards and all these things have to be confirmed. Urban design because we have a rosier concept. This needs to be understood and we need to ground that. GIS because of the Amrit guidelines so that we match it and we do it in a certain standard which is compatible to the government. Infrastructure, environment and mobility. So these are the six predominant layers which are being addressed. So this is where actually we are also looking at the consultants to start to work from. Now this is the theoretical part and right now if you want to know, we have already completed the data analysis stage. There's a lab use which needs to be prepared that has been completed. So we are at the stage where we could actually take the urban form forward. So that is where we are. And we would also like that. I think still Vastu Shripa consultant has to vet it and probably they might come back and say look we need more data, more details. I don't know for mobility we need to do an out of order survey. We are open to it but these things will be pursued in a very speedy manner in the coming months. Now Auroville city area as you all know, this is what actually from the GIS database which we have, this is what it comes to. Now we also archived quite a lot of studies. Just an example, we archived around 10 pages of studies that is what we found out. There's a huge amount of studies, maybe some might be irrelevant, some might not be relevant. So it took us quite a lot of time in the last three months to really archive, go through this, clean it up. And many of these things like, you know, data which has been there, we had to convert it into a GIS database which could be usable on a planning level. Now this is proposed land use which is actually present in the master plan. I'm just giving an example of what are the other things which you have collected. Now for residential zone, if you see, we took what mother has mentioned about what residential zone.  And we also looked at the master plan as to what it talks about. So we have just roughly put it up so that the consultants could actually like, you know, understand how different is this residential zone when you talk about a residential zone in our same world. Now this is very important because it's important that we need to define where we are, who we are to the outside consultants. And these are the important, I would say, like, you know, the pearls I would say from the master plan where it talks about the FAR, it talks about the ground coverage, it talks about a living space per person. It talks about 35 meter, it talks about 50% unpaved area. All these things are all planning policies which has been defined in the master plan. And we also started archiving and finding out the sketches of Roje. Like if you see, this is one of the line of force. So many people have this misconception that line of force is one humongous, huge box. But actually it's not. When you look into sketches, you will be able to understand like, you know, he has quite a lot played with climate, he has quite a lot played with the experience of it. So these are also very valuable for us when we are able to present it to the consultants and we are working in understanding the open form. These are some of the other line of forces. So you could see each of the line of forces are completely different. They are not exactly the same. Yes, so I come to the city center part of it because I think the crown, we are mostly talking about it. I just want to present what are the data which we have collected into Kaafi Vat. So we all know that the city center is actually like the one which is inside the crown. And it's interesting because like now all the zones kind of merges in the city center and it's a micro zone of what horrible could actually stand.  So and you also have the social fabric. So everything built for us to start, you know, evolving. And I find it very fascinating that there is somewhere a zone where everything like, you know, old labs, mingles and like, you know, in a very harmonious way. What you see here is what is in the city center develops. The aims of the city center is these are things which we found from the past archival data which we have kind of compiled. So to manifest the urban tissue density and the architectural quality, like I said, from this somewhere like, you know, merges everything, brings everything together. And this would set the flavor for us to how to grow on a much larger scale. Urban management, financial sustainability, infrastructure, parks and gardens, mobility. You name what is required in the town. Everything has to be addressed when you are talking about in a city center. I mean this you can't probably say when you are talking about any other zones. But in this part, all these things come together and if you are able to work on creating a good city center, I think like not creating the rest of the town should not be a bunch of a problem. Now this was one study which was made by Anupama under Roger's guidance. Now what was interesting also for me is like, you know, there's quite a lot of cycle paths. I don't know, it's not so clear, which keeps meandering. I could see they had worked out even a toy train over here because these are all kindergartens. And the existing buildings have also been, you know, integrated into it. Because like you see this is the existing solar kitchen. The footprint of the solar kitchen if you could recognize. And this is this Paramboklan which actually goes through. So this is a study which we also had to go through. And the drainage and watershed. Unfortunately there are certain things like we didn't, the data is well lost. So we had to get the data. We had to rework on certain things. And this was one. And then that hydrology, I think geomatics team might be mapping it, identifying it. So we took those data from there. This geology was already there from Water Harvest which we had to convert into GIS. This is the soil infiltration. These are the existing land ownership. Existing buildings and communities which we have mapped. The roads, Paramboklands and everything. Pathways, all the pathways which we have mapped. Land use, this is land use which we need to take it with the state government. For getting a certain legal validity. Now this is something which we anyway have to prepare. Now if you see in this, this is being prepared as per the Ambrit classification. And then this is a subclassification of Ambrit which we had created. These are all the Ambrit classification and subclassification. And then water supply lines have been documented. Existing electricity has been done. Telecom, galaxy, footprints and all these. So interestingly like everybody must have known by this time. So in the industrial zone you see all these line of forces actually fly over the ground. And similarly you see in the residential zone this line of goodwill and that the small line of force are actually like now in the city centre. So we also talk about the line of forces. We also talk about high density. We also talk about our economic values and system if we really have to look into it. If you're talking about a line of force which is like really high over here. Are we talking about making candle setting in that line of force? Or what is the industry which are going to come there? Agarbati's? No, I don't think so. Maybe something else will be there. So it's very interesting questions which are actually there which needs to be discovered. For me the galaxy is not about the answer because the answer is there. I think what we have to seek is more and more questions. The moment we seek more and more questions then I think we have really understood it. So yes, so this is my approach. It's quite fast. So just to conclude, like I said, there are certain things which are trying to match to the norms of the government. There are certain things we have to work understanding the realities of the ground in geography to realities. And at the same time we also have to be faithful to the vision and we have to respect the master plan. Now, within this broad framework we are trying to like know work and I think this gives us immense amount of flexibility and immense amount of like know scope and something to do something of world class. And what I have seen personally is like you need to have a very high quality of output to really bring these things out. I don't think so. A galaxy expects that amount of mediocrity. It requires a certain amount of faithfulness in interpreting it. And I hope all of us will be able to do it. And I also take this opportunity to invite you all to also become part of the technical team of TDC. Because right now I think the planning team we are quite moving ahead. We already have three urban planners who are working in TDC. We are having quite a lot of well respected consultants who will be collaborating. Pretty soon we will be signing the agreement with Vast Shulpa consultants to be a lead external consultant in preparing the GDP. So and of course mobility. So I think there is quite a lot of learning opportunity also there. This is something which I have always respected and I have always cherished being part of TDC. And I want to also extend that part of TDC to all of you. And you are all most welcome to be part of the technical team so that we could actually start moving in getting the leading leader. And in terms of timeline we have a very very very short timeline to get things done. So the is I mean it's always better when we all move together and we start working and start putting our energies in a certain way. I am sure like many of the discussions which we are having today might not be even relevant in the future. So we start progressing and on knowledge based discussion. Thank you. Thank you Srivastava. So opening up questions from the dream weaving architects and also Vast Shulpa foundation. So any questions? So my question is regarding the data analysis. Like I understood the data analysis part is more or less being done and I understand correctly we are here meeting for a certain reason because a lot of us would be working on the dream weaving process. So it's just for my understanding and clarification. Would the result of the dream weaving also be a part of the data analysis or will it be a part of something like an input to the design itself or where would it fall? And another question that I have is if I see the steps that you had shown the data analysis is one and then eventually after several steps it comes to the phasing and the implementation. So that's another thing like you mentioned about the timelines if you could know a little bit more about those timelines and a little bit more about the implementation and phasing so that would also help us know while doing the dream weaving itself that are there some areas which are to be prioritized? Is it really the thing that ground is what is to be prioritized right now or is it just something that we have to take it as given or can we rethink about that? So just about the little bit about the timelines and the priorities of the phasing that is there. See the data analysis part, whatever data we could collect we have presented and I'm sure there will be quite a lot of other data analysis which needs to be done, maybe land suitability analysis quite a lot of other analysis which needs to be done. Now this will be done in collaboration with the consultants so the consultants might come up with it and it will be taken. Now the second thing is like when you want to know about the implementation where the output of the dream weaving will happen. See it's very interesting for me because last time when we have invited Omar, David and we connected with Mr. Raji and where there was a presentation they made about dream weaving it was good but then they said look there are certain things probably are missing there are certain standards, there are some more layers which needs to be added so which means like you know there are quite a lot of other layers which would be needed to be incorporated and definitely this would form the base, I mean a kind of the layer on which the other layers also has to be overlapped and probably like it has to be merged, maybe tweaked or whatever so this is for the consultants to see like you know how it would work Now the third is the phasing, what we are talking about is the phasing See, a DDP is for five years and obviously when you do a phasing you do it for a five year period the uniqueness of Aurora is not only a township but you can also see it as a project because like you know all the land is under one, the property is under one ownership, the foundation and we have a very strong structure so you could also see it as a project Ideally a DDP would be created for a five year phasing implementation and it will be spread out obviously based on that or it might also come because like I said the economy and governance will just not under the PNG of TDC or DDP or whatever and unless that part of it is not strengthened there is no point in like you know only doing the implementation but as creating the DDP we have to spread it out based on the five year thing and it will be proposed accordingly Now how it is getting implemented now that is something as a community we have to see For the phasing Slightly but the phasing also about like since right now as I understand I do believe it is really focused on the crowd so that is how it is supposed to be and I am not questioning the process So is it because the crowd has been come up with like as a reality through some implementation thing or is it just a given that you see in one of this presentation like I showed you see the crown and inner part of crown holds the crux of everything all the zones merge there all the layers are there if you are able to do the city centre part of it right now I mean as a priority and then we go to the next stages of implementation as simple as like you know you don't want like the construction vehicles to keep disturbing this everything this is completed you go from inside to outside right that will be the most logical in terms of the execution or also if you look into the galaxy all these zones merge there so you are actually using it as a pilot project to understand all the zones, understand the economic life, understand the social life so everything we are actually touching on it so that is why like we are taking the crown as the key I would say the key element to really to manifest all of this and implement like the phasing is for the whole of Oregon the DDT is prepared for the whole master planning area and the phasing and the implementation schedule will be done for the whole of the master planning area so probably the first phase of the phasing might come with crown I don't know maybe the city centre three fourths might be there I don't know this is something we have to see but the phasing will talk about what should be the first phase, second phase, third, fourth, fifth or it will be ten phases I don't know but it will talk about phasing and it will also talk about how it could be implemented so it will give you guidelines as to how things could be implemented there are certain things which could be taken up with the housing service, what are the organizations do we need to go out, how do we raise funds all these things would be touched on is it clear or what is the... I have a few questions the first question would be those catches of Roger and Jay would those be shared with dream weaving architects because I think it would maybe give some insight into what, because they've been kept quite secretive I think until now so that would be one request the other question I have is there's always talk about FARs and as we don't have plots in Auroville the last of one how does one actually define an FAR is then the land segmented into little plots to define those FARs or how is that going to be I don't know if this is the place to answer that question but it's something I've been trying to figure out and it's a very vague kind of I don't think the FAR is maybe the best way to define whatever, the built up area but okay, it's part from that another thing is land ownership map I think for everything we are doing it's something that also needs to be shared because it does give a clear indication as to where we are at with Auroville and what is possible and how we can move forward because when we see the current speed of development in the green belt and in the city area predominantly in the green belt it's scary and it very clearly indicates that the green belt is very quickly getting lost to developers all around so that limits the actual green belt which we will have available to us so I think we have to take that very seriously and perhaps plan for more green belt like areas inside the city as well So I think the Rosé's question I think what we have I'm sure like anyway, Jacqueline is going to present the archives of Rosé or something exact on Crown so that will also give you a good idea and this anyway I think it's printed and it's displayed at the town hall in one of her displays so there's nothing to hide about it we could share that there's nothing like that in fact we would be happy to even display it as a museum archive to show to the world like these are the sketches of Rosé so I don't think there's anything to hide about it and second thing it's actually a good question about FAF I'm not a lot like you go to an exhibition you see something it's different and actually buying the same thing and adding it in the house then you can refer to it later otherwise you have to go there and take pictures so I'm talking about sharing I mean sharing that we can all get inspired or not buy it sure sure yeah yeah it can be shared so KDC is already moving in the direction so there's nothing to worry about second is about the FAR see that's a very good question like I said we are also at town at the same time we are also a project if we are at town obviously we mark it from the side plots and other things where FAR is an emphasisement we need there but since we are also a project where all the land comes under one ownership this was some question which we also had with the town and country planning organization and we met there so my assumption is that based on the footprints of the galaxy I might be wrong this is purely my understanding that is what we will be considering as plot and based on that like the guidelines would be given so let's say you have a line of goodwill so you actually define little bit in and around the footprint as to what the impact of it will be happening that could eventually become the plot and you have an FSA define for it this could be one possible solution this is something which makes me work too and the third is about the greenbelt yes I think I'm happy you brought this out because when you talk about why this hurry in building last two years before when you see I completely sympathize and agree with you because from Kuilapaliam to certitude there is no development right now you see the development has come all the way till certitude and probably in other two years maybe till solar kitchen right maybe in other two years I'll break it from probably till matrimandu so I think now we really have to move forward to tell the world this is our way we are actually working on it and we need all your support yes that's also being pursued you see one of the things which I mentioned the DDP also talks about acquisition of the land because it gives us more credibility like you know if you go and say I need a land why do you want it that can't be a legal answer to a state government now when we say look this is a social experiment and we are talking about let's say a crown over here which has the potential to help humanity to move forward and therefore we are acquiring this land then I think we have a much better case to do and how do we tell that like you know that the only way to tell because it's sitting over here we need it so I think that land acquisition has already been pursuing it it's happening and this will add more weight and more strength to that and the faster and the better we are going to do it we'll be able to reach there with a much stronger force the DDP doesn't cover the green belt right yes it has to also cover the green belt because the green belt is where all the land is going yes the green belt I mean the city area most of the land is in a way see the green belt if you see is a little bit more complex because if you look into the the whole of Larul Peddo has a region which runs from northeast to southeast now traditionally the ones on the western part has had farming lands that's why we have all the villages with that Sidenchaudi, Kotakari, Alangupam, Raya Putupakam because like and then we have all these lakes now we have mapped them under a green belt but they are actually growing much faster than us right and maybe in two years the whole of things would be urbanized we can call it as green belt but I don't know like how do we tell the people that that is a green belt but we have much better chance when we are looking into the east side when we start from Amirabri from Sertitutil all the way to Revelation probably we have a much faster so then we have to make sure that on the western side we have to make sure that we protect the western eastern side that's what I'm trying to say is like all the land which is acquired and which is already part of the villages which we will never be able to acquire we have to compensate for that by protecting what we have and acquiring what we can and maybe moving like rethinking certain green areas moving to the DDP the DDPs of the city area has a certain clear cut directions now what I presented to you was more or less towards the city area now if you see the DDP for the green belt will more or less conform to how the DDPs are created from the outside world because like no there is no special I mean we speak of it as a green belt but in terms of urbanization we are not so we are not looking at urbanizing the green belt area is completely a different way and has to be addressed where we also have to integrate the aspirations of the villages who have been there who have been there for generations for thousands of years so you know there is quite a lot of fabric which is over there so we need to create it in such a way and like I said the city area is a project for the green belt I don't know how we could call it as a project if you have to integrate that we really have to take it up with the different governments and green belt also we need to deal with two governments there is the government of Pondicherry and then the government of Tamil Nadu so when you do a DDP you do a DDP in the green belt separately for the government of Tamil Nadu for a Pondicherry if you see already the government of Pondicherry is already working on a development plan for our own they have already published draft plans so the best case for us is to integrate that and re-regulate it I think that might not be possible I have a question we have about 15 minutes left we have quite a lot of questions coming what I understood from the beginning is that architects taking part in the dream weaving will get priority on the questions so on that basis just so everybody knows in the next 15 to 20 minutes we've got Induja, Fabian, Omar, Manu, Ganesh Neha and if there are no more architects and we get through that then there would be Julio, Mark and Twan so right so I doubt that everybody is going to get to answer and that's why these pieces of paper are there so you can write your questions down and so if we run out of time the questions will be answered later online next would be Induja and then Fabian my question I have two questions one I can still try to eliminate because it's about the larger thing but the other one which is directly related to crown and the dream weaving would be especially in the north western part of it we have two canyons and we have the lines of forces crossing across the crown and there is a critical situation of having Ode Perangok a liner force quite contrasting to that and we have a crown which is a pedestrian based movement so in that case will we have the same map that was there so in this area will we have guidelines which we can already take into account because we like to know what TDC is thinking of the larger because there are some water catchments there will there be a planning done taking into consideration the water and the aspects on the ground or should we just go thinking there is nothing over there so doubt no because it is for architects like at least for me who is very new into all these things it is a bit of critical place to think about very contrasting elements and try to bring a solution at that level so I would like to have if already TDC has thought of some guidelines that can feed to us, to our process we would really appreciate that that would ease our thing you know and that is one thing is I saw the land use existing land use according to the on-group categories that was presented but as I understood when I was working there it was done, the existing land use was done and then the following step was to prepare a proposed land use because we have different very special zoning of different four different zones so according to that I am stitching it to the ground reality because for example we have Kota Karai and we have Galaxy footprint even over there which I suppose may not be possible to build but we can so and then the idea was if we have that and get it through government the proposed land use and then we will have the guidelines of buildings over there even in those areas that was somehow my understanding so will it mean there will be a proposed land use pursued by TDC and taken to the government and along with the guidelines for each plot for development and everything and we come back and we start developing according to that or if we say we can't actually consider the Kota Karai area into our city because it is developing in its own way and the Galaxy footprint that is over there also accounts to the amount of development in the city so are we going to have a compensation plan or something like that for those kind of critical areas in other places also and we have some parambuk roads which is giving access to other private lands within the area so we are also not able to think about the timeline when we can maybe consolidate the whole of city area and eventually the road parambuk can be given to or a will if that is possible in government whatever legal things because there will be no other private lands which need the ease of easement that can use this road and so that is still a larger question I don't want to. So the second question need not be answered now also because it's not relevant but the first question I would like to Yes the first thing is regarding water see obviously water is a very fundamental area if you ask me personally for me the water lines is what actually creates the green lines because we are a rain fed region like how the water flows is something which is very important for us to sustain our so water lines will be respected has to be respected there is no doubt about it how will you find a technological solution to work on it is the key challenge for us technological solution policy solutions whatever it is and second in terms of policies we do not have any policies right now and I believe the green beaming is all about decoding the whole form of the galaxy and trying to see how it can land beautifully in the ground so I don't want to give too much of constraints to make sure all these things are sorted third is regarding the land use see the land use when you are there we start working on the land use but unfortunately we have to rework quite a lot of it so what you are seeing is an updated one which is prepared with the help of planning students from IIT Kharagpur and we have to take this with the town and country planning organization in Delhi where they also checked it I think also Varsu Shilpa they also they had an expert who actually also helped us in refining certain things so this is an existing land use but the proposed land use will be prepared at a later stage see until we know where the line of course exactly says what all these things and then based on that we could create a proposed land use so the proposed land use doesn't come hand in hand with the existing land use there is a certain analysis based on that you know you propose you come up with proposed land use now and then if you are looking at compensation see if you in the city area except the Bharati Kuram area the rest of the good thing is the rest of all the city there is no habitation or settlement so that's the positive now how we address the Bharati Kuram area these are private lands these are private lands but I am talking about human habitation and settlements so what you have is only in this area you have the Purambokya sorry here so this is the only area where we actually have human habitation and settlements which has happened the last 10-15 years unfortunately but the rest of this thing we might have private lands but we don't have village settlements and other things so again like I said when we do this form simulation then we understand when we look into the realities how we imagine maybe we might have to compensate certain things which are loosing there to some other place or we come with a facing plan where we see like whether these could be acquired I don't know ideally we will be the first thing would be to see whether we could achieve completely over here as a part of the galaxy now if it doesn't happen then probably we need to ship things but how do we address it by giving recommendations and policies probably we can update the foundation to say look these are the things and if this could be helped in certain way I think we would be able to get back the plan what are we doing and if we have lost all the options then probably we would be able to get see how we updated, migrated, adjusted or something that has to be done and the timeline which we are looking at so timeline I was not clear what to be taken into account because on land compensation we have a longer timeline so right now we are in a different place how do we incorporate those kind of analysis like I said let's keep I think the mission is to understand and decode the urban form water is something which is very you know it has to be there so there are certain elements like percolation it's there like geology these are things that we need we can change the whole geology but these kind of things maybe if we have anything specific we can go look back and come specifically and try to see what could be addressed but my suggestion right now would be is to consider that land is available and if you could work on it that would be helpful and personally for me I think this whole thing is about certain movement and positivity so let's keep that momentum up rather than getting blocked and all this okay we have under 10 minutes so if the next people could repeat their questions okay okay I tried to make it really short so there was one observation when you talked about the aspects of a DDP especially for Auroville I was missing as key aspects the dream and the charter I think they are really important and are for me the main presenter for Auroville so maybe they can be kind of integrated in whatever step we are doing and then it was about the DDP being prepared by a qualified planning authority and as I said I don't expect answers right now it's probably too short and maybe this one is also a bit provocative is the question I think many people in the community are asking if the present TDC is actually a qualified planning authority there has been a lot of people coming going you are the only architect in the whole community appointed team there was one question how do you stand without coming directly to who is the client body of the present TDC what is your relationship to the RA you have published some statements which are giving the impression that you actually are not really feeling that you are bound by the RA and yeah I think and when we are as you many times mentioned in a proposal or exploration phase for all of it and you need this will be presented and it needs approval so why are we actually right now creating conditions on the ground when we are actually not really knowing where we are going what we are doing thanks okay so the first is obviously a charter it goes without saying I think definitely the charter and all these things are the key essential nothing starts from there so I fully agree with you there is nothing for me to go about it and the second thing is and the second was like you know about see I think we are in a very critical time I am talking in terms of the development which is happening around this and I am sure you also agree with me right how do we go and present ourselves to the outside world we need to have a certain leader value and the act and other things gives us the legal value that is the only thing we stand on the Oral and Foundation Act the act has a certain definition of what the governing board is and the best way at this point for us to really take to the outside world we are doing the GDP we are working with all these things is to ensure that we are legally coming to go and meet with the other departments on the other side of the world right and the best way it could be done is it has to be officially authenticated as per the act and the act mentions about a governing board and the governing board has issued as an office order it is based on a standing order now what it empowers us is it empowers us to go and talk to whether it is PCP or whether it is like we want to do all these things that is the only way we can actually make it by doing that I personally believe we are actually helping Oral to actually move in the right direction but this is the actually like what we are going to do and I see all these things are here to help us I don't see any contradiction in that and when we are looking at doing planning planning is a legal subject it can't be done without having a certain legal value so that's why I think we have to respect the standing order we have to work as for the standing order so I think that is about the thing and second is where do we stand in terms of TTC or whatever it is see for me it is all about being bold and getting things done I also want to be like all of you I would like to go and have a good sleep and would like to spend good time with my wife and have a good day don't talk on our behalf please don't talk on our behalf don't talk about yourself please we also have nightmares like you it's not like no to take all these things when there has been no funding it's not something nobody expects that to do but why should somebody do it because I see this is the easiest way to move forward somewhere we need to legally ground ourselves we need to identify what we are and like I said what you see the development which happened from Quila Polybus attitude it's not clear and we can talk about what we are, how we are for another 50 years but will the outside world wait for us I don't think so the outside world is going to wait for us they are going to keep moving in encroaching on us or like no working for whatever it is and I might because we are in the end of the day we will be like you know I don't know refugees in our own land something like that so I feel like you know this is something which is very time bound it has to be done these discussions could always happen but these things should not be stopped and I feel like these things should go on and my contribution is I come from that point of things and the others in my office also I am sure they are being there because they feel like this would help things to move forward maybe in the long run you will be able to see the things but right now when you are standing from my point of perspective and see I find this is the right thing which I can do and then other questions I appreciate there is a lot you have written down guys only one minute is left so Omar make it extra short extra short one quick comment is that all of these presentations would be on an online google doc so all the drawings and this would be available to everyone second I have a question about the because you have mentioned many few consultants and every time I hear few consultants I get a little bit worried so there is understanding that there will be implementation drawing coming from one source or there could be for example drawings coming from infrastructure implemented separately from drawings coming from planners how could that be? yeah exactly but that's things are happening in this way actually so how could you have anything to substantiate I don't think it's happening so it will come from one source obviously that's why we have an external lead consultant like you know like you do any building you work with a structural consultant infrastructure consultant and they work in collaboration with the architect so the architect works on it so that's how it should work how can you do a structural design without even the architect so infrastructure coming from the lead consultant and then like two things have to be all out of it thank you finally we will be having one trap like SSC vasti shilpa consultants will be working on the on the DDP part of it but there is also the legality part of it like T.C.P.O. and other things which we will be working on and apart from that it is also a duty to also provide the necessary information whether it works of ROGI, the urban design framework or whatever I'm sure like no probably short term it might be very difficult for them to really understand it unless we provide them with documents so as a claim for them it's our responsibility to give them all these things and then like it has to be done like I said this is a much different from how we do it in the outside world it has to be much more different in a very different collaborative okay this is the end okay we are going to switch yeah yeah no more questions I know there is a long list of questions we are trying to keep this moving so Julio is next we are just going to keep the mic on him and go for it yeah so please use your sheets we really urge you to any questions even if there is more than one write them down pass them to us and we'll pass them to Srivastava and then share the responses with all of you okay and yeah apologies we can't speak to everybody for a long time but we have a busy schedule okay so so I will introduce Julio thank you so Julio has a lot of experience working as a geoarcheologist in Europe and Asia he holds a degree in geology from the University of Milan okay he has a degree in geology from the University of Milan and a diploma in soil microbiophology from Ghent in Belgium and in Oroville and in CSI Geomatics and is currently mapping the Oroville topography and has been taking part in development of an integral water management plan for Oroville with the water group in Oroville my name is Julio and I'll give you a bit of introduction about me before we go into the technical details because I won't be speaking about the technical details I want just to remind of the dimensional water which is usually forgotten water is what gives us life we need to remember this without water we cannot live no organism on this planet can survive so we need to be absolutely careful about about it a quick look at where we are we are on a ridge remember the topography is absolutely crucial when we talk about water we are on a ridge and we are also on a coastal area these two facts are absolutely important for anything related to water now when we look at an image from the air like this one Google Earth we have to look at the things which are on the ground with a certain depth do you recognize any geometric pattern in this picture which is other than the road and the buildings I'll give you just few seconds and then I will give the answer I don't want you to know I don't want to know from you it will be difficult just few seconds what are these lines these lines are lines of usually palmyra trees now palmyra trees have been here planted for a very specific reason for a very specific reason they are planted on the plot boundaries now the plot boundaries they are marked by palmyra trees and by a bank a bank which is made of earth which has a very specific function to retain water when it rains from the sky to have that water in that particular plot to have that water what is not used of that water directly for agriculture purpose to walk in the underground under our feet and the legislation here it says that whatever is in your plot is yours including the ground water we have to remember this thing these are facts I'm talking about so we have a heritage here this line of trees are not always recent they follow a certain subdivision of the ground of the land which goes along with natural flows of water with topography and so on even this line is not a random line we call it road whatever that is actually always used by nature in the fall now let's follow that drop of rain which falls from the sky it comes on that plot of land we have talked about a very natural phenomenon luckily in 2021 we had an exceptional view where is that going what is under our feet I'm a geologist so I have done a bit of studies about this area now it's very interesting to see the map which is never coming other than small bits and bits in the presentation this is where we are on this is the nature we are on we cannot do without it sorry we cannot replace this not at all she must also say all the farms the villages in this area why is this a specific reason because clay is in this area clay is needed for agriculture clay is needed because it retains water here is sandstone this red soil what's called sandstone that absorbs water it's not suitable for agriculture unless you have solution now you have cadillocenstone the yellow part which is an aquifer aquifer means a geologic body which holds water and from which you can extract water ok cadillocenstone is here but it's also here and then we have some white things which is the alluvium what's called the alluvium when you see a map like this this is the outcropping areas of each geological formation sorry it's still working when you go from one side to the other you're actually walking on different geological formations now this one is the alluvium it's the last one the most recent one which has covered other formations so you have to imagine that this body this geological body extends actually this cadillocenstone is born in maracan let's say outcrops from maracan to kanyakumadi so this gives you an idea how extend this body it will come into the into the perspective in a few minutes and then we have the other bodies now this is where how it is when we walk on the surface but when we go down if we imagine to cut the planet in this area and what do we see this is what we see we see a layered cake we are lucky that our geology here is very very simple not as in Himalaya region it's just layers okay now out of this layers we have one which is the cadillocenstone aquifer the first aquifer, what people why is the first aquifer? because Auroville is here in this region so for Auroville this is the first aquifer then there is the second aquifer for Auroville the second but for people living here the first and then there is the third aquifer for us it's the third for them it's the first this is nature setup of these things is very important because being an aquifer it's basically a tank now when we have to get a shower at home we need to have water in the tank if we don't have water in the tank we cannot get a shower so how do we fill the water? we pump the water nature doesn't pump the water nature rains the water so if you have an impervious surface like this one or type A which covers extensively we are talking about more than 200 meters of thickness an aquifer like this then the only recharge possibility for this one is very limited area and this aquifer is actually the most exploited in the whole region this aquifer went down 54 meters in 30 years 54 meters the level has gone down now where is the water which is in the aquifer coming from many people think we have groundwater that's not the source the source is the sky the source is the rain not the ground the ground is just a temporary storage we need to understand this now let's look at this Helen introduced Sophie introduced me I am working CSR geomatics my job is to collect data let's look at this data this is from Charlie Orogreen he has collected very full data quite regularly for the last 30 years and more 19, sorry the numbers are not correct from 1990 to 2021 do you see a pattern do you see a regular pattern on this graph no, there is no regular pattern a regular pattern means that if there is a high immediately after there is a low and that pattern will repeat well, no rain is absolutely chaotic period you plan for anything you are expecting this to happen next year what we got last year it's not going to happen let's take this example before 2021 where we got the record the highest record goes in 2015 and the next year was the lowest rainfall in the last 30 years and if you take this to the next one you see that there is not the same pattern happening so we cannot absolutely predict rain fact, we will okay let's look at what is happening we monitor wells now I give you just a few data I explain this center field Michael, Michael Tate this well is a deep well the color, the yellow is the cadre of sandstone and this is the manoeuveric clay the red line is the water level of the well the blue lines are the weakly rain force this is data we have put together so you see there is a kind of a rhythm okay which somehow follows the precipitation and then you see the peak which is the recent one but there is something we have to look at this graph in particular and in the following here is also raining but there is not so much of increase in the level here also is raining but there is no increase so what is happening with sandstone to receive water to increase the water table is limited to less than 20% of the rainfall so less than 20% of the rainfall is actually reaching the water table where is the rest we will come to that then I want to put your attention to a couple of more things there is a trend here don't look at this, this is the last year this is not but look at this this is a trend, this is going down and unfortunately this is what we have seen in the whole region for years going down fact, it's a gain of fact let's see another one revelation of fact this is a shallow well two different geological bodies again the rain doesn't impact directly on it unless it's a very strong and abundant rain the normal enjoyable rain does not impact much but you see the trend you have just a spike here but this trend is alarming because that tells us that the recharge in normal scenario is not happening is not compensating for what we are extracting who is weak, we will come to that Daima this is more on the eastern part again it's a shallow well this is only cardio-sensiton this one look again it's going down but they also get the rain still going down then Fertile, this is the well which has gone more more dramatically down this went from this to this level in three years okay, dramatic and you barely see any recharge this is all mode deep well here different aquifers here we are deep this is the second aquifers where is the first? there is no water in the first water is only in the second and lower so water is deep it's a deep well so from up the water falls down okay, let's not talk about that let's talk about something else see this huge variation which we didn't see before in the other graph right? this is even more dramatic look at the variation it's amazing what I'm talking about this is the wells which we are monitoring something is happening and what is happening somebody is pumping out water dramatically in a way at a pace which cannot even be compensated by nature this is called a simple world even the Tamil Nadu government published the status of the things here and more than 95% of the wells are over-explosive so this is what we are in this picture comes from Jigwurikon but it summarized very well the status of the affair here this is the source rain this is where we are this is where all of it is all of it in its history has done something which was not parallely done in the region all of it has increased the percolation into the ground to recharge the underground water and that has been done to offer station and bonding while in the surrounding region that parallely did not happen actually the bonding not to mention the forest the bonding has been disrupted so we have in Orville an attempt of recharge with a limited extraction and still we don't know how much we extract because we Orvillians are not in agreement of having meters installed for our places which is a problem but outside the extraction is so massive which absolutely cannot be compensated by discharge and on top of this we have also we have an ocean just nearby and that ocean is pushing why is pushing because we are taking out from the ground the water so it has a better way to come in question is can we go on like this what is this this is the tank I was mentioning about this is the tank where the water is stored now imagine you have your tank of water which you fill up and then you have your tub for your shower but with the same tank you have 10,000 more on which you have no control how do I come with this number in 2006 there was a survey done by others just around Orvill there were 5,900 and more just around Orvill in 2006 15 years ago so we are sharing an aquifer or more than one and I showed it to you that the aquifers are quite extended they are in big region so there are a lot of people depending on it can we control this forget about it can we go on like this you can in the aquifer I say no so is there anything we have to change yes we need to again follow that drop of water which falls from the sky we have to do that we like it or not that's what we have to do because without water we cannot live so sorry I am going back what does it mean over extraction I know I am pumping more but I have my I have my water I have my water I have my wealth where is water underground where is it stored this is sand storing made of sands grains of sand you cannot put water inside the grain of sand sorry so where is water stored water is stored in the voids between the grains now water we have come we come from different school but I think anywhere is thought that water is incompressible isn't it you cannot compress water sorry you cannot do it well when you have a body, a geological body let's take this cattle sandstone for 30 meters like we have in Matrimandir 30 meters of sandstone each cubic meter is about three and a half ton you put it on a line on a column large one meter for 30 meters and then you do a rough calculation what is the pressure exerted on the bottom 30 meters how is it that the cattle sandstone is not collapsing under this enormous pressure because there is water water will hold the ground as simple as that now take it out take it out what will happen there is no water anymore in the pores air will go air is compressible we use compressors to compress air to fill up our tires that is what happens we go from a situation where there is space to a host and large water to a situation where there is no more space anymore so this is called a phenomenon called subsidence or subsidence depending on how you want to pronounce this is what happens example in South America is this happening yes my house is under subsidence it's just moving like this is this happening somewhere else in the world please have a look at the numbers California 60 cm per annum 10 years means 6 meters of subsidence can imagine Tokyo realized in 1968 that it was going down it was drowning so Tokyo said raise a second rice, not possible close water reduce consumption what happens after 2000 the subsidence went down to 1 cm it's still happening master improvement what will happen if we don't think about this oh very simple, you build a road infrastructure, we're building you build whatever you want water channels, whatever you want it will go down because water is not there anymore you build pipelines you build water channels to bring water from here to there by gravity it's becoming like this it doesn't go from here to there anymore it comes here this is what we want I don't think so I think it's time we wake up and we start thinking of this phenomenon and it's not only permanent subsidence cannot be reversed together, it's not happening but the capacity of the aquifer water will be reduced forever so today you have beautiful your neighbor is pumping whatever, I don't care how my well better you care because soon you will not have anything at all that is where we are you like it? No and then of course the problem the salt water inclusion coastal area, very common problem all around the world south of Pondicherry the ocean, so maybe 15 kilometers in here we have the ocean in Repo luckily we didn't get the ocean under already yet one more sandstone what I showed you earlier is a very big candidate for the ocean to come in if that comes in then we will have serious problems there is a very interesting article I read just few days ago everybody thinks about climate change and the rise of the sea level oh, communities are getting flooded by the sea and so on nobody is actually speaking of what is already happening in California and Florida they are already flooded by the ocean from the ground when the ocean comes push up the groundwater level is increasing and no infrastructure no sewage line, no pipeline nothing is working because everything is flooded on the ground they are drowning in their own waste and they have put together the data of the variation of the groundwater levels with the tight levels and it matches there is something I want to do for a model zone to see if we have this problem it started already you know the pectors have flooded right you know that the pectors have been flooded this year they have been flooded the groundwater came up not thinking about this scenario we are in this scenario the pectors have been flooded let's go back to this this is where we start and this is where we have to go back sorry this is where we are look at this map we have on this map something absolutely amazing it's in blue color in tunnel it's called nearest system nearest how what the local culture built together with the push from the kings to have a possibility of agricultural survival in a very harsh climate in very difficult conditions in a way that is a marvel of engineering all this water bodies are interconnected and you can see the streams and canals and they are different levels they don't need pumps at that time they don't have pumps they just were using gravity and then they all end up here in Calibari today Calibari is also gone unfortunately it was it was a brackish water body and today is almost entirely salt salami let's have a look better look at this situation sorry how many water bodies how many or interconnect which is this land how beautiful is it to have a possibility to integrate water which is a life gift into our activities into our human activities 1,200 years ago in Tamil Nadu there are more than 45,000 in Chennai there were 186 around the 26 can we just learn from the local culture can we learn from the expertise can we learn from those who have lived and survived and prospered in this area can we switch from that idea of the ground and the underground to something else to something visible can we play with can we start thinking that is what we engage with we started with CSR in a water group they said let's dream how do you start going into that direction I said I decided you need topography you need topographic data do we have no they are there we are sorry we have to build it where are we today we are takes long we did the yellow areas what we have already serving and it takes long and serving is a long procedure why are we doing because if we don't know by gravity where the water will go how can we even think about it the rain the weather parameters and where are the the rain gauges and then you observe this was October 2019 it was pouring I went out I took these photos and then you see rain falls everywhere it falls also on the unpaid surface it means to think at collecting the water from unpaid I don't know we have to check we have to measure we have to test so we did that because unpaid is large areas and we have also data about infiltration and then we build the model and when we calculated and then we have the numbers how much rain we can collect and in one hour 107.7 when you click this is the data collected in one hour this is insane this is not normal this is one of the effects of the climate change climate change doesn't change the pattern of rains I told you that what is actually changing is the intensity intensity is the quantity of rain in the unit of time this is increasing increasing intensity means there is more volume of water falling in the same amount of time on the same area and that area is not able to absorb it anymore so then what is the consequence of that you have something which in all of it was put as a policy zero runoff yes it's runoff what we are generating and that runoff today where is it going it's going to the sea can't we do something this is water this is what we need can't we do this can't we just take this as the ancestors did and then of course there are technological devices like recycling of water and so on but this is that's also another source of water which we have today we are using we are washing our hands that water it's still water still water you can use not for drinking for other things so this is RZR STP and this is the storage place in the Malaxmi Park if you want there is a video to explain how it's built and runoff now this is what we are coming to the zero runoff policy is still but we are to the ocean so runoff is today what is important because the runoff will allow the rain water the storm water to go where we decide to go we can decide where it goes we plan for it otherwise it will go to the ocean and then of course to the wastewater this is the integration of sources are we ready for this challenge are we ready no it's only matter of time and then we have to pack and go so my suggestions intensity is growing more rain is falling and same interval of time higher intensity of course will lead to a lower capacity of the soil to absorb rainfall larger volumes of runoff tends to get generated the combination of larger intensity with larger portions of land covered with impervious surface because we are building a city so the two things have to be put into account so this will create large volumes of runoff can we finally put together a rain water harvesting system which is mandatory in Tamil Nadu since 2006 can we gutters all means to drive the harvester water into reservoirs of water bodies to be used for drinking but for other normalistic purpose we already have beautiful gardens why do we have to give the best water we have to gardens gardens will be happy to use this water or treated wastewater but we have to plan for it if that is not now that will not happen and this is exactly what we are in so that will be in the building your architects I am talking to you guys I am not an athlete I am not doing the design I am telling you what you should do double pipeline I am sorry this is an emergency there is no time to wait anymore take it or leave it leave it and send fear to go double pipeline for harvester rain water for some domestic usage this is not theory anymore we have to do it period oh it is more expensive water will cost more than diamonds and we will still buy it because we need it so let's think about it we have also we will have public toilets we still have we can use that water for that but we need drains we need drains we need drains and the drains should go where where it makes sense where the nature is bringing it not oh pumps this there wait a second this is more much more easy why can't we do it irrigation whatever but then we all come from schools and this and that we all experts yeah can't we just do it intelligently why do we have to have a drain which is can't we have a water flow that will act as a check done which lowers the speed of water facilitates infiltration of the excess of water because my aim is not the percolation my aim is to collect the runoff and then maybe the excess runoff to be given downstream to do to our neighbours we don't want to capture everything our neighbours will say hey guys we need water here why can't we think like that so beauty, life crowning only a functionality I heard about all these things are we ready to do it it's your time now there's no time to delay whatever we also need to remember that there will be wastewater somehow because we go to toilets, we wash our hands blah blah blah we need to do it we need to do it we cannot postpone it this is where you can download all the data we are collecting there is only one data you cannot download that is the land records because the foundation asked us not to share there was a request there if you ask me I'm sorry there is a committee who will evaluate your request and then if the committee approves it why is there because there have been leakage of information from anywhere in the town hall and not only in the town hall so the foundation was very clear we are storing this information and we are not disclosing this information period, despite what people say period thank you your questions so we have about 20 minutes for questions so if David can see who wants thank you Julio for that very insightful and impactful presentation I have just an observation from the experience of Sacred Groups we completed 460,000 liters of rainwater storage with the first houses but with the rains I notice an interesting fact that there is more storage in an accidental storage on the site where we dug out the earth for the construction for the houses there is more than 600,000 liters I think but out there so question to you is can we have a soil harvesting strategy because lot of us rely on earth for construction and which areas of water well can we dig because our ancestors have a system of always digging in the right space to collect to make the areas and from there we use the earth for construction of various kinds so can we have a strategy for harvesting soil which relates to water the second aspect of that question is with the design of the crown how can we integrate soil restructuring and can there be a strategy that you can help with for us strategy where to dig where to dig will come out of the analysis topography because if we plan to start pumping to let water go where we want forget that's not the possible it doesn't make any sense on the economy point of view maintenance point of view can we be a beacon for others like that that's not what we want we would like to have a system which can be easily replicated if people want and that is with the local conditions here pumping should be restricted to when you really need to work against gravity so analysis of the terrain topography that would give you the idea where to identify a plot of land which might receive runoff from several places and in that situation if you start thinking like that you'd bless the runoff right reducing the soil I would say that goes together with the plan according to what is thought, what is planned because you might need to raise certain things for whatever purpose I don't know water I would limit the impact to the minimum possible because water naturally goes from here to here just need to follow that simple way then there are regulations about transporting the soil those have to be followed but you guys, you are going to do the DGP so you have to think about this strategy I'm sorry I will keep telling you please consider the rain to go from here to there the rest is up to you I'm not going into that for you that's a different story the geology you see is very marginal it's very marginal this is surface water management or better to say complete water management because yes you have to take into account what is under your feet but as our backup as our drinking possibility not for our gardens not for constructions not for other non domestic sorry it's a waste and we should not throw our resources like that next first of all I would like to thank you Julia for making it so clear to us how important it is to look at the larger picture water cannot be regenerated by looking at the micro area and for this reason we need to have an environmental concept first before we start building the roads and the infrastructure so thank you very much for making that so clear and my dream would be that we as a modern city even would take the trouble of making a model water regeneration concept for the bio region because so much work has already been done through the water for all projects through so many researchers which came from Auroville and do you see a chance that we really start working with the neighbors with a larger bio region to implement this I will ask this question because we are talking about again I go back to the beginning what is water water is a life giving gift that is how we define water so if it is just nearly a technical thing all our problem is to distribute water no that is not our problem that is the beauty of working with water because you have abundance you have not scarcity right like we have right now and we are not a minor we live together with our neighbors they are wasting water how can you think that still I am in Auroville there are human beings like me let's work together but we don't have any authority to go there and tell them you do this if I was if I were living in this village and somebody comes to me oh you should do this I said who are you what do you want you come from our you don't know anything about us how to do that challenge how can we go to them if we are not good ourselves first you clean your house first you do that then you invite them you have something which is working you invite them let them come then you say it's working are you interested yes you want me to help yes then let's do it together there is no other way no other way it doesn't work by the way I have gone around some news speaking to farmers and villages and so on they have this experience of the government will do it so they lay back or NGO wow no NGO no why because NGO passing go this is active participation but how can we go to them if we are not good ourselves if we are not hey I spoke about something we have nothing in place like that a few examples but they are not even connected or interconnected we have no housing we have a town hall we have so many systems waste water treatment system only in the city we have 69 are we reusing that water are we connecting one to the other is the possibility there to do it yes the recent development of the residential zone waste water going one side one way treated waste water coming back given back to the community they are using go and visit Kalpana it's not a garden anymore it's a jungle why because trees and plants they adore this water they just like it I'm not saying we need to drink it no can't we plan for it to plan for it we need to know how much water we need meters we need to measure what we need what we are using we need to do that we increase our awareness we need to know how much water is used for gardens and then our garden if my garden uses three cubic meters per day I have to find those three cubic meters per day somewhere which is not from the well sorry no that's the common thought no are we ready for it I think we are ready we just lazy so if we are an example we can go and invite them and help and support them in doing it and if we are good in doing it otherwise we better know we have that I have just the idea that our neighbors are much more future oriented than we are in our world that's my impression right now and please go on to make it clear to us how important it is to shape so just the question mainly for the dream weaving team because the grammar as I have seen passed through a few canyons so the question is how do you think they should deal with these natural systems some of them even I think forward in the industrial zone even intersecting with lines of forces and then what are the ramifications if not if just if we just block them what would be better don't even think about that don't even think about blocking I'm not I'm trying to make you help them no no I understand the thing no but that's the very easy solution and then what you can see a little army they had a private development when you turn the road the town road from the 90 degrees bend left hand side the canyon starts there canyon starts there go there close the canyon so they won't be flooded but very good question what is a canyon a canyon is nothing else than an area where water accumulates and erodes the canyon is just a deep thing an incision where erosion is happening erosion is never good never the more the erosion the more the damage the first slide we are on a ridge from this ridge there are three major watersheds generated on this ridge here whatever we do here it will reflect two tens of kilometers around we like it or not that's the fact period do we want to do something yes we want to do something canyons they are nothing else than things where water runoff comes due to gravity topography blah blah blah and acquires speed because of speed its capacity of eroding is augmented and it goes on the canyon aim the water aim to reach the ocean level that is the aim so it will go on direct digging till it reaches the ocean level that's the nature so how to deal with that they had this problem also I'll give you a second so they broke that floor how they placed inviting water to stay in that place and say my dear water I made a place for you if you have friends with you you can accommodate in the next one what is the beauty of it not only the rainwater harvesting thing which gives water to for all the books but there is a flood prevention because you are storing the water and then you are taking out of that possible flow which comes at high speed with the only intention of eroding so you are storing it you are turning the water this is nice, stay here and what the worst, stay here but you have to design it properly you have to design it simply as simple as possible how to incorporate the design you guys, you are architects this is your challenge you want to make a building on top of a canyon do it do it, but don't block a canyon is that beautiful and so on it's not up to me, that's not my thing I'm just saying don't touch the natural flow of water if you touch it make it so in such a way that water will go there naturally will not break somewhere else because that is what water does and it's always done I always say, in flood plains river likes to dance they move from one place to the other and you can see, just go river earth, sea, go along the ugly river you will see all the abandoned meanders and so on why? because water you cannot stop it jumps from here to there according to the conditions which are created for it January 2015 the airport flooded why? because somebody did not think about it do we want to do that? no, how to do that guys, let's sit together talk, let's see but I'm not the designer you will tell me this is the strategy, I tell you this is the strategy I can tell you, oh, if you do this this might happen the rest, sorry, I'm not the designer I'm not an architect, that's your job hope this helps ok, we have five minutes so maybe one more question may I know your name please hi, it's Raj here probably a dumb question we know that tree plays a major role in sending the rainwater downstream does it feed the not downstream, sorry does it feed the aquifer and if it does and how do they do that yeah imagine this soil this one is made exactly like in that picture with voids voids is what accommodates water nothing else what happens with a tree tree has roots those roots depending on the tree's pieces go literally or down or mix and they create galleries the galleries are the empty areas which are created by the roots of trees and along which there is a micro fauna and micro organisms living which enhance the area and the volume of the gallery ok if you don't have that you will have the natural porosity of the sediment let's take a granite what is the natural porosity of granite zero but granite here for instance in this region is considered an aquifer how can it be because the first 100 meters is weathered what does it mean weathered it has been altered and modified by the trees and organisms and blah blah blah which have gone through millions and billions of years because this is not the seismic area so it didn't break because of earthquakes it broke just because of nature but nature and roots and so on they reach up to a certain level they don't go down 30-40 inches unless we talk about very particular species and so on there are other mechanisms which are in place one of these mechanism is called pedogenesis the pedogenesis is the soil formation the soil formation is happening always from top down because it goes with gravity and it goes with water so water moves and then you have leaching in certain cases those elements accumulate and forms crust and layers hard like laterite like nodules like calcium carbonate crusts and so on in other cases go along the voids and make those voids covered with very thin layers of clay which make those voids impervious so water will move even better then there are other moments which are capitalite this is always in dynamic form trees help that differently as all living organisms do because they predict I hope this answers just have a comment two minutes we have a very short lunch break today okay so what Eleni is saying is that basically we have a very short lunch right less than um she has a short question I'm not sure I can believe short questions anymore in relation to those difficult word of the ground thinking so in relation to that sorry I missed what? subsidence in relation to that what would be in sort of a timeline which you would think it might impact orval and that in relation to laying of infrastructure does it make sense to wait until you actually need the infrastructure to lay it or that's kind of the thing because if we plant it all down and it all breaks then it's always the money no the infrastructure in this sense in this case doesn't really matter much what is the problem, the subsidence is already happening it's already there we don't know what is the rate because there's no monitoring nobody's monitoring so I know my house that I know I had to redo the roof last year because it all went like that it can be very fast or it can be slower I don't know and it can be different in different parts of the world because the underground is different infrastructure laying no I had a very big concern not about infrastructure but the lake proposed to be done in matrimony that amount of water in one place is dangerous yes because in the scenario adding a load on an aquifer which is already you have seen it's very fragile the first aquifer is empty it's not the wise thing to do because it will go down and if a lake goes down no so let's use this again and let's just go with water nicely we're over now so we expect to start again at 2pm so if you can try to don't eat too fast please try to be on time that would be nice thank you very much