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We got a guy here today. He don't need no introduction, man. For Kansas City, Missouri, man. Stop playing, man, stop. Nigga, show your love for CW, the young blood. He's in the building. Yeah, yeah. Nothing's going on, man. Man, I'm chilling, you know, enjoying Dallas. Tell me something good. You snuck up here in our city. We don't even know, you didn't even check in, nigga? I didn't check in, I didn't check in. For real, I gotta do better, you know what I'm saying? Say, man, next time you gotta check in, man. What do you think about the checking in process, man? I always ask that.  If you come to Kansas City and you plan on hanging out, like, like say if I come here and I'm hanging out I might wanna know somebody from over there. I recommend the same thing in Kansas City. It's like, I don't call it just pure checking in, but you definitely need to tap in and make sure, you know, you sliding with some people that's gonna make sure you don't drift off to know where you don't need to be. Yeah, you get some work done while you was here working a little bit? Yeah, I did two studio sessions. I shot a video, and then I'm doing this right here. Man, check it, this the biggest thing that done happened, period. What, hey.  I don't know what these other diggers doing, but over here, I'm getting it, hey, I'll move my flight for this. Why not? See, the niggas fly in for this. It's an opportunity. You know what I'm saying? It's an opportunity. Hey, let's go, man, let's take him there. So I wanna know, because I like to know you as a person, not always as an artist. Yeah, for sure. So growing up in Kansas City, because Kansas City, especially Kansas City, Missouri, is, because I saw something earlier today and it says it's ranked one of the top 15 cities the most violent, the most, I mean, it's not number three, it's not number four, it dropped down in rank. It probably was like number 10 or something like that.  Do you think that's correct? Definitely get some headbusses. You heard the name, C-W, the Young Blood, and you just knew the headbusses. No, no, no, I'm serious. I would definitely agree. I mean, I wouldn't contest it, or I believe it. It's not bad. Yeah, it's kinda, it's especially to be so small. I think our metropolitan area is a half a million people. So for the amount of problems we be having, it's one of them places though. Yeah, my boy, he call it misery.  Tell me about an incident that you saw there. Oh, that I saw? Yeah, would I call it no means if you can't call it?  Man, he was just got out of prison. You know, he was trying to turn his life around. You know, he's running around just getting back on the music. He was shooting videos, getting his feet wet, and then he started to do a couple shows. I believe it was maybe the second show he did. They called him coming out the show. They killed him and everybody he was with. You know what I'm saying? Just, and what hurts is like, we get to think like, was that show even worth it? Like, I know he was chasing his dream, but I just feel like everybody know, if you get deeper into the story, everybody know that's not where you wanna do a show really. Like, they tried to book me recently, and I said, nah, I'm not doing that. Oh, so it's a certain place. But if you're from there, you would think you would know where and where you can go, where not to go. Yeah. If you need to move, if you need to move with security.  So you can be on your toes 23 hours of the day, but that one hour where you get lax, where you don't have a few drinks in the club, and you run out chasing after a girl, that could be it, you know what I'm saying? So it's just stuff like that. You really gotta even watch it, just pursuing your career around there. People get, what do you call it, bragging, brownie points, whatever, taking down somebody that, aw, this y'all favorite rapper? All right, watch this. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, that's the weird, you know, kind of like, man, you know, but. So were you raised with your mom and dad? I was raised with my mother and my stepfather.  My father, oh, he lived in Dallas. Really? He's like, you just remember, like, oh. Hold on, I thought about it. He lived in Dallas. He lived in Dallas. Yeah, he just was one of the, you know. So you knew him, or you knew of him? I knew of him. Okay, so how old were you when you met him? My father? Yes. Or did you ever meet him? I don't remember meeting him. I remember being seven on Christmas in Best Buy, and we were about to spend our Christmas money, and I see him in line, and he just like, aw, what's up? He didn't give me no money or nothing. You know what I'm saying? I remember that. And then when I got older. So you must have had a picture of him, because when you saw him, you knew who he was. My mother pointed him out.  Like, what's his name? Like, that's what kind of it was for me. I didn't, at one point I didn't remember his name. I did link up with him when I was like 25, and I kind of like confirmed what I needed to know. You know how you do that? Like, I'ma tap it. I came out to Dallas one time, and he had wrote me on Facebook. I'm like, man, I'ma go, you know. So he reached out? Yeah, he reached out, yeah. That's good. So he wanted to know you? He did, I guess, but I saw where it went after that. It wasn't really here. So it didn't fulfill.   Yeah, and that's the, that's the, that's kind of like the sad thing about this. He got big shoes, like to feel he, my expectations is high because my stepfather is one of them. You know what I'm saying? Great guy. Like, I didn't have no, I don't, I don't feel like I was missing any type of father figure thing or like that. So I wouldn't, I didn't have no daddy issues. But kudos to your mom because the reason why I'm going to say that part of it, because at least she pointed out and, and let you know that that's your father because there's a lot of women out here who I know of personally, who will hide that fact from their kids, be like, no, you don't even got a daddy. Oh yeah, my mother, my mother was the type to let us know like, hey, he said he going to do this. I'm going to let y'all see if he do it. He said he going to do this.  I don't know, you know, she kind of let us see, you know, she never really, she didn't talk bad to him.  Like it wasn't ever nothing like that. So we developed my own, like, you know, judging about a year and year for show. How many of y'all were there? I have a twin brother. Twin? That, that, and for my, you know, with my mama, my, my daddy, my biological father, he got like six or seven kids. I met one of them. Shout out, shout out common sense. He common sense on Instagram. Oh, okay. That's, that's my brother. But, you know, yeah.  I didn't get, oh, he didn't do this or he didn't do that. You gotta always remember, man, that, you know, at least he got you here.  It was, it was, it was stuff to it. You know, I hadn't been into some relationship before I met my wife where if I'd have had a kid with this girl or that girl or whoever at the time we were doing it, it might not have had a situation where I could even came back into it.  So you have to force your way in. And sometimes you just never know, you know, you really don't know the whole deal until you really, you can always hear it. Like you always say it's three size story. You never know. No, no, I definitely, I definitely like, it's not, I don't even have a ill feeling about them for real.  You know what I'm saying? Like you said, I understand.   And then you end up having three, four, five baby mamas. I already know, I understand.  You know what I'm saying? So I'm just with free Medicaid, different ways they can help you. If you get with the man, they're gonna take it from you. They don't know if they can trust the situation cause the man already been going through his stuff. And it's like hard to even deal with that. Hey, look, to the point where I feel like I was, I was corrupted in my head. Like, you know, when I first had children, I refused to sign the birth certificate because you automatically get put on child support. That's right. You don't know, but you try to figure out if it's yours or not anyway. So it's like, you know, you know how it worked, man. But what the crazy thing is with y'all saying that I was watching a movie the other day and you had some girls sitting down on the porch outside, you know, chit chatting outside in the country, whatever. And they dress all fly and stuff like that.  It's time for me to, and I'm like, you know, this is what they're showing people that we are. You know what I mean? And I'm like talking about, it's time for me to have another baby so I can get some more money from Uncle Sam. This, this, this, this, this. And I'm like, so that's the message we given to some of these people that, oh, cause one of the girls was telling the other girl, oh, you need to get a job. And she's like, get a job for what? That's the way it be. That's the way it is. That's the way it is. Like. And that's why you just gotta be careful, man, and make sure you find somebody and get yourself together too. It really ain't on the woman. I always put it on the man because the man says to presidents, if you gonna be with a woman, you need to have your stuff together. You need to know what you're not gonna put up with. You need to not compromise who you are as a man and focus on the fact of who you are with God and then you can figure the rest out. See, I like the way you put that because that shows that whatever situation you get into, you take accountability first. You know what I'm saying? You ain't just gonna, as a man learning how to do that more. You know what I'm saying? As I'm getting older, like any situation, first take accountability, analyze it, what you could have did different. Well, you compromise something. Yeah, for sure. It wouldn't, you're the man. Yeah. If you get with a girl today, you're the man. If she do something, I always tell her it's my fault. I never blame her because I'm the man.  You've set the presidents on a lot of different things. So be the man that you are. With God first, of course, I believe.  I think a lot of people don't take accountability, like you said. I do agree with that because then in relationships too, if you're a man that know how to lead and not just lead by with your mouth, but actually lead by example, and even if she's not doing right and whatever and you're leading a certain way, you can encourage her to do right. And more times, yes than not, she will follow. Yeah, she gonna follow. If I see a man and a woman on the side of the road and a man out there asking for food for his family, I blame that man, I don't blame that woman. So that's why I tell you, you understand what I'm saying?  I've seen Indian people sitting out with, where the man's on the side of the road asking for food and money. And I'm like, what's up with just doing this, kids, how did it get there? I'm being real. So that's the way I look at it. So we just got a responsibility as men to step up.  We wanna be the man, tell the man right on this thing. Yeah. But now I wanna get, I mean, I didn't wanna take you that therapy is something else, my wife, Love Miller Health. So yeah, she gonna snap you right there. I had it soon. She talked to you. That's straight, that's straight.  But you've seen the show, so you already know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When did you first see Boss Talk 101? Well, the first Boss Talk, I was saying. Was it when Charleston White got ran out of here by the OG? I've seen you before Charleston White. Oh, it was, I started early with that ruckus. I had Mike Jones on here earlier. Oh, you know what? I was spending time in Dallas and they put me on mode three. Yes, sir. You need a post, no, no. First, Boss Talk was the manager. Rainwater. Rainwater, that was a good one. That boy, they're gonna always give you what you're looking for. Yeah, right.  I don't think he's faking.  But definitely went hard for mode three. Yeah, that's the thing. They had a chemistry. And still he's going hard. Still, he just did another project, so waiting to see what they do next, you know what I mean? But that, it's been a long run, man, thank you for watching the show. Yeah, not for a show. You, it's hard for y'all not to be in somebody's algorithm who actually watches like, you know, hip-hop content or anything like that. We keep the poppin' over.  Oh yeah, we gonna rock out, man. I don't want everybody to know, we don't just do hip-hop, we do everybody. No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We play with y'all about just hip-hop. We got doctors and lawyers and such on here, right? Yes, we do. Preachers too. Preachers, everybody, the Bible said, whosoever will let them come. Let them come. Yeah. They had some pimps on here, didn't they? I had some pimps on here. I had some prostitutes on here. Nigga, this is a world. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I think a lot of times people look at it as, you wanna, you gotta be specific on who you pick, but then you gotta do something to show that I'm not just picking people of one sort. You wanna make sure a melodic flavor is in here where people of every different nationality, race, not only that, just job opportunities, all kinds of stuff. We done had corporate people in here. Mayors, we interviewed that guy that going for president for Haiti. Like we go in, man. That's all, that's what it's supposed to be. But we don't get any of what you been doing though. Enough about us. I wanna know, how old were you when you started in the music? When did you find your passion for music? I always had like a little bit of passion for it.  And she said, what is this? She didn't have the right reaction to it. So I was like, I ain't messing with that. But then I got around my cousin, Alan Wainer Prodigy, he was doing music. And he kinda like, so watching him do music. How old were you this time? I had to be like, man, I had to be like 11. Okay. I didn't do my first song until I was 16 though, exactly. That's when I did my first song, when I was 16. So what inspired you to try to take it serious? You know, I see that almost every black person in America, especially males, gonna try a hand at that rap game. Yeah, well, the thing is, the people I looked up to did it, you know, they did it at a high level. Like who? Technon is like probably the biggest artist in my family. You know what I'm saying? That you're looking at Technon? No, he is the biggest artist in my family. I'm in the correct color. You gonna come over here with that same thing, Life and Carter and Lustin came on. They come in here playing down to Technon. No. Mavado, when it come down to Technon. Ain't no bigger in Kansas, and I knew that. No, hold on, hold on, it depends on what section you went because I'll show you me and text messages, I'll send it to him. Somebody sent me a Spotify wrap up. I was number one, he was number two. Oh, so you bigger than him? In that house. In that house.  In that house. In that house. In that house. The date you live in. Hold on, now you are coming in. Hold on, now you are coming in. Hold on, now you are coming in. Hold on, now you are coming in. You live in the wildest house in Kansas. No, he's saying that he's in that house. I don't wanna hear that in the house. Hold on, now you are coming in. This is Friends House.  This is Friends House. Let me be honest with you, bro. When life and Cardi and Lustin came on here, I said who the hardest rapper come out of Kansas in Missouri? They say, ain't nobody hardening rich to factor. I said, I ain't never even heard of no rich to factor. And they were like, well, he is hard. Well, after that, I did research and I locked in with him and I like what I see. But still, you got rid, you got- But he ain't as hard as tech. I got tech nine on the wall with me. We took pictures in 2009. What nobody hustling I seen during that time. So for me, I'm trying to figure out how in the hell y'all could just really, that's what they do to the sound for a lot of time. Erase the people out of the whole context. I don't get that, but you can't do that when the person did the work like a tech nine or like the like the Rappelite and Scarface and the ghetto boys. I agree with you. But it's a lot of time when it are big Mike and them for me, certain people down here, UGK, you can't tell me, they talk about the, oh man, you can go listen to this album. You don't skip a song. I hear these niggas on the East and the West coast and maybe even in the Midwest. I don't know, but I'm just telling you. They'll do their little list, but they'll leave out a lot of people that they shouldn't leave out. And I think that's horrible.  Hey, you know, that's when I followed you on Instagram. That's when you were hitting me out trying to, I didn't know who you, I said, who the crazy man here? Nah, hey, nah for real, because what you were saying was true that we have that debate once a week in Kansas City and someone about disrespecting tech nine and putting somebody over him. You know what I'm saying?  Yeah, but take nine did that to itself too because he did a lot of underground marketing. People were coming to my store trying to buy clothes. I never heard of these clothes.  So I couldn't, I'm like, who this weird nigga coming over asking me for this stuff I can't get. So you can't even call the nigga to get the clothes really unless you buy them off the website. The strange music website. That's right, you gotta buy them and sell them. He ain't giving me no double down. He should have been sending me some half off because it's half the tag time 2.2 in the game we in. I couldn't even get nothing from him. But at the end of the day, that's what people, they loved his stuff and they will come to my store. This store been here 17 years and they will come here to try to buy his merchandise. He got a lot of people that follow him, man. Oh man, yeah, you. But that's smart for him to have his own website and do all of that. Cause it makes everybody come to him. Co, when you're saying that, I think about YouTube and how everybody, so depending on YouTube and if YouTube turn around and say, okay, delete yours today. I don't, you've been messing up. Let them do it too many times. Let them do it too many times. Let them do it too many times.  He created third thread. I'm pretty sure he can create another YouTube. Yes, but then you're dependent on Mark Zuckerberg too. Let me tell you something, these people know. Whether they're having your own, like Tech Night, he has his own website. Tech Night got his own. Don't get it twisted. I think more people gonna graduate to that. But I'm telling you now, it's a lot of people with money and if YouTube or anybody try to play game, these folks will come together and debunk them. I'm telling you right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.   How much you bet? I think with anything, if you take a few powerful people from that, they can overthrow. That's right.  Am I right? I don't want Mark to ever do something like YouTube. He can. He can, but the reason why, the reason why to me to seem like it's a monopoly now. It's always a monopoly. Meaning like, that's too many platforms, he alone. Listen to me, when the money gets so high up, they all hang together. They all talk, they all respect each other. They know what they're doing. Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Gordon Buffett and that's why I trip off cause you got Robert Smith and he way down on it.  Yeah. It's a whole big, it's a big difference when they come down to people that don't look like us. And I think a lot of times people don't look at that and really be honest, but those people help each other. Don't never think these people don't help each other. They all rock out. Now they mad now, three had mad at Twitter, but they know what it is. So you don't think that we help each other in that realm? We're not as high like the Robert Smith, the Oprah Winstrees, the Tyler Perry. There you go, puff daddy. Yeah. Don't you think that they help each other? I think they do help each other, but we have a lot of us that are crabbing and bucking mentality. That's why we hadn't came together. Why Jay-Z is over here with heels. Kanye is over here with heels. They not really coming together. You don't see no, we are the worlds coming together when Trayvon Martin got killed or when George Floyd Nick got stung on. You don't see the rappers or none of these people coming together collectively as a group saying, let's do something. Let's do a tour for George Floyd. They used to do that back in the days, but they don't do that no more.  They respect, they brand enough to know, if I help you, how am I gonna get out of it? If I help you, they don't do it just for the cause anymore. You know, Jay-Z went on the football thing and that, remember when he first went on there when he started helping? Yeah, I remember that. But it really kind of blew up in their face because Nike went and endorsed what's the boy that was getting on his knee? Oh, Colin Covenant. They endured, they started liking him. So when what Jay was saying, wasn't adding up to what they were saying. Think about it, you remember that? I remember that. Jay was saying, we got on knee all day, that's over with. Then Nike come behind and say, no, we basically riding with him and we gonna campaign the fact that he did the right thing and then all of a sudden now it just disappeared. It disappeared. You seen that, didn't you? Completely. I had to kind of remember as this guy had to come back to me, they buried that. Yeah, they buried that. So, you know, I'm gonna get back to the music. Like, you know, it's a thing where like I said, I took those pictures back with Tech Nine and Kansas City, I remember that day when I took that picture for some strange reason, I did not know who he was, but I did know that he was of value the way he carried himself.  Exactly. And I'm a star walking around.  But when I'm around these niggas, I don't play no games with who I am as a person because I believe that I'm a child of the most I got. She'll tell you that. So when I walk in, I ain't caring about who in there, I'm in there. But at the end of the day, when you see a king, he'll be like, what's up, what's up, how you doing, nigga, let's get this picture. Just like, people do me. So we just rocked out. That's the way that was, that was in, that was actually his, he was trying to do something with the clothes. I don't know why he was there when he was going to hide the clothes anyway. Because he was up there around us without a pearl. But you never see this guy. He probably was going to sourcing. And it was soaking game. Yeah, that's what it is. He was soaking up game up there. But so this is actually your cousin. Yeah, that's mine. Second cousin. That's like, when we go to the family unions, I just went to a funeral, he was there. Like that's, that's, that's really the most time I see him if it's a family. Okay, when I come up there, I come and do my show. He got to be on Boss Talk. I'm coming to Kansas City. He got to sit in and talk to me. I'm going to hold you to it.  I got you.  I got you. He said, I'm pulling up. You called me, I'm coming. And I say, well, we're going to try to get rich to fight all of them. All of them. That's it. That's where it's supposed to be, man. Like we're trying to act like we can't come together as a people, man.  You know I'm telling the truth. You telling the absolute truth, man. It's like the money is more important than just having relationships a lot of times. Some people's mind. But it's really not, for me it's not. I'm telling you the relationships is way more. If that was the case, I'd be charging. How many people would I be charging? How many people in my inbox? I don't even let you come over here. I ain't never took a dime to come over here. Man, that's respectful. Yeah, I never. You take pride in your platform. I like that. I just like people, man.  And if I don't, I don't. So that's the way it goes. You don't try to pay me because you can't come over here like that. That's crazy.    There's some features I wish I could take back. I wish I wouldn't take that money. Hey man, listen, I'm gonna tell you right now. The road told me the other day, I always keep saying that he never got charged for a feature in his whole career. And Silk said that Jay-Z gave him his feature for free. So it's a thing where they just respectin' each other on that level. It's more organic that way too. I like, it makes it more organic. No, I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm not against people saying they got a fee or whatever for what they doing. You got to respect it. You know, when it's completely organic like that and they just respect your movement or they respect the way you came at them or you know, just, it could be anything that makes them respect what you're doing. They can, you know, but yeah. I think you cap, to be honest with you. What you mean, cap about what?  Man, I think if you get up on your feet or whatever and you blow up.  No, no, no, no. You gon' charge, take that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You gon' charge.  I don't know. Hey, I want everybody to, what a camera, what camera are we on? All these cameras are on you. Hey, comment. And this one. If I ever gave you a free feature, comment. They from Kansas City, obviously. If you in Kansas City and I gave you a free feature, tell them about me. I'm over, I done did help. Oh, he did, I done did over, I had to do at least 60 free features, bro. Really? At least 60, at least. This year, this year, I already been, this week I did a free feature. You know what I'm saying? It ain't really, I ain't really.  Hey, even better. I just did a feature of what I did a few weeks ago. One of his homies hit me up a couple of weeks later. That was only one person. I still appreciate it. That was somebody who wasn't up on me. He said, I heard you with such and such, man. I'm a fan now. I'll take that one.  That's what it's all about. I'm just, I'm giving the people something to think about, about how you approach these situations cause it's business. I know it's business. It costs, it costs us. I do want my publishing though. You know what I'm saying? Yo, here we go. I can send you my ASCAP member ID. Oh, the publishing becomes a big issue, boy.  Well, you just gotta, you gotta get that right. At least he gon' get it one word either. It's tough though, cause I think the game wasn't like it is now too, cause a lot of time back in the days, these bigger labels handled a lot of your business and that made it even complicated. Now we're handling it on our own now. So that even makes different barriers be put up. But it's good because back then, you didn't know anything about the business. You were just an artist. Yeah, for sure. For sure now. So now you have your hands on everything. Yeah, everybody start off. Now, everybody, 99% of all the artists start off independent. Like everything you doing is independent. Okay. I got a question. What have you ever said to you to help you to, you know, kind of understand? The business? The business. Yeah. I would tell you one funny thing. Something that he's done to help your career. Let me tell you one funny thing about that. I just was Don Tess talking to me.  I was on, I had seen him maybe three or four times within a month span.  I'm on it. Well, that was, that was a, we was outside his tour bus. The next week I see him. I'm like, bro, I sent you the record. He said, I got you. I see him again the third time. I don't even say nothing to him. He say something to me. I'm going to get you on that record. The fourth time I'm like, man, what's up? What's up with that record? He said, hey, I'm, I just got turned down by Shade. I'm waiting on J. Koda, send me back a feature and every, hey, everything going to happen when it's supposed to. I got you. He kind of like told me like, hey, matter of fact, send me another one. You know what I said? Send me something else that's going to make me do it right then and there. Man, I respected him right there for that. Cause he was just keeping it straight raw with me. You know what I'm saying? He was, he was, he ain't going, I don't, I'm, and I never wanted to handle. I didn't even tell nobody that was my family. Wait a minute. You got cousins. I got cousins, right? Yeah. I got cousins that I really, I'm cousin with the niggas. Yeah, yeah. But I really don't know the niggas. See, see, I'm. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I got, I got, that's good right there. Like out of big, I got cousins right now that I ain't seen but one time. Oh, okay. That's my first cousin. Okay. In LA. Yeah. And they ain't never even seen their mama. And that's my auntie. Hold on. Listen, man. Yeah. If your cousin niggas say your cousin, don't really mean y'all have to say both of them niggas. No, no.  I just called them. You know what I'm talking about? I just called them. No, I'm just giving them in. We don't got, we don't got no, look, he just sent me a picture. We don't got like no. Oh, so the niggas really rock with you? Yeah, yeah. But that nigga need to do the song. Man, he do what he feel like. Man. He do what he feel. Hey, he's a real, that's one of the. Get that trillion stream song and watch out for it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, all right.   Send that nigga a hundred of them and say, send them on that. Send from that. I ain't worried about it. I ain't worried about the world. Hey, I'm pushing, I already, hey, how I go down.  I ain't really. Man, you can't worry about, man, listen, man. It's gonna happen. Man, it don't really matter if it do or if it don't, man. You putting it down. You got a hundred projects and I'm gonna tell you something. It's always been for me content over create. So a lot of time when you putting that content and how many videos are you doing with these projects? I'm at least doing one. You need to be doing three. Three to five. How many songs on the project? Lately, I've been, see, we, you know what I'm doing. How many songs on the damn project? Hold on, it switched because at the beginning of the year I had a project with 33 songs on it. That was my 33rd birthday. So I put 33 records on it. That's a whole lot. And then, you know, sometimes you do 20. This summer, I started four weeks ago. I'm dropping every week until September. I forgot what the date is. I love your work. 13 weeks straight. I've been doing 10 a piece. So I've been dropping 10 every week. So then 360, you did 360? Yeah, I did 365. I did a, and hold on, and I want you to be clear on this. I recorded a song every day and put it out. I didn't have nothing sitting there. I didn't do two this day. I did a song every day. I was just explaining to the dude at the studio. I just met a dope engineer. I think it was a BC studios. I can't remember what it was. It was around a quarter, it's an old clip or something like that. And I was explaining to him, it didn't matter what we was doing. I was in Vegas. We missed a flight. So we're supposed to be at home at a certain time. Instead of sitting at the airport to get my song done for the day, we went right now, we went right back to the, cause I had the studio with me. I take it everywhere I go. We went right back to the hotel room, checked in, and did the song, then went back up to the airport. You know what I'm saying? No matter what we doing, like, I didn't even want you to around me if you wasn't gonna stop me and say, hey, we gotta go do, knock that record out for today. Why can't you just drive to do that like that?  I think it was God.  I don't, I don't know how, I don't even know. I think you secretly was in competition trying to catch up with Tech Nine, cause all the stuff he done. I'll pass, I'll pass Tech as far as dropping content. I know the content, but he got the bigger song. Yeah, he got the bigger, you know, yeah.  You know, you gotta drop it. I'm gonna drop it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you don't ever know which one's gonna hit. Well, one of them I'm gonna, No, push up, push up. Somebody might come back later on and grab one that might just go. You never know. Have any one of them just took off and you didn't even know it was hitting like that? Yep. I got a song called, Insane, I believe. It did a million just, it was kind of out the blue over a few months. But I guess my sample was pulling up in a lot of chazams and people were getting right into the song. And then it made, you know, the algorithm on YouTube. It was just that record I had was in the algorithm. What's the name of it? Insane. It had a video and everything. No, it was just the audio. See what I'm saying? It's just the audio. That record was just a random, on that tape I had 30 songs. Wow. You know what I'm saying? It was just a random song. So, How do you remember all of your songs? He don't. I know what it is. Hey, they do it to me all the time. It's gonna be on this YouTube video. If I make a, people say my lyrics to me all the time. I go like, did I say that?  You know what I'm saying? But most of the time I did say it. Wow, that's crazy. If the song cut on though, I can remember it come back to me. It does. You know what I'm saying? Out of all of them? All of them.  Let me ask you this, man. What caused you to move up to Arizona? How long ago did you move? God moved me over there. I moved to Arizona in 2012. I was 22 years old. I had literally left one of my homies funeral, left the next day. It was kind of on the table before then. I was like, man, I ain't never leaving. I was one of them dudes who never aspired to lead a city. I never even been to St. Louis. I wasn't on no, I'm not. I didn't care to travel. Like I wasn't seeing that. You know what I'm saying? Everybody I knew was just stuck. You know what I'm saying? We around here. We gonna make the best of this. You know what I'm saying? I heard my mama went on the cruise before. I didn't care about none of that. You know what I'm saying? I ain't never traveled. But she came back home. Yes, she came back home. I didn't even, I don't, you know, I didn't care to travel. So you got to Arizona, it's hot. It's sticky? Yeah. Well, no, it's that hot dry heat. It's the dry heat. It's that dry heat. That's just like Vegas. Just like Vegas. It's the desert. It's the desert. Y'all got that Now we got that steam out here. Yeah, yeah. So how was it? What was you doing up there?  Uh, when I, yeah. When I first got out there, my, let me see. One of my partners say, bro, you just got pulled away from the leeches.  When I, when I moved to Arizona, I was really just able to focus on my craft. I, man, a lot of people don't believe it. How I made it in Arizona initially, cause it's hard to move to a state where you don't know nobody. That's what I was just about to ask you. I went to Walmart my second day there. Somebody said, hey, they said my real name. They said, hey, I just knew they weren't talking to me. I know nobody in Arizona. You know what I'm saying? I kept going. He ended up hitting me on Facebook or something. It was my boy. Like he had moved, he had moved from Dallas, that's funny, to Phoenix. And he was like, bro, I'm out here. And that's my boy, I call him Gunner. That's my boy Gunner. And me and him, that was kind of my glue to stay there. And then of course, my time being there, I ended up linking with my boy, DeRess. He just, Vietnamese, got real dope talent. He's actually the graphic designer for URL. He's like, he's the graphic designer. But I met him early on and I did a video with him after the video shoot, he asked me for a feature. So I did the feature for him and he mixed my vocals. I've never sounded like that before. So I kind of stuck with him. I was like, bro, can you mix this song for me? And then we just built on that to the point where we just started doing videos together. We did a lot of music together. I'm at his house. I'm at his mother's family. You know what I'm saying? He would call me if his car break down. You know what I'm saying? I became my boy. He really enhanced my presentation of everything. He did my graphics and mixed my music and did the videos. You know what I'm saying? How long did you stay in Arizona? I'm still in Arizona. I just, I just, You never gonna move back to Kansas City. I'm never, I got a song called I'm Never Leaving Phoenix. You know what I'm saying? So you know what is it about Phoenix that you love the most? I thought you loved the most. Man, I'm stuck. That's why I take one, take nine. Hold on. All right, Tech, is he in? He in the city. Nah, he in KC. That's why. I've been in KC. See, you ain't got no love in the city, bro. Hold on, hold on. Before I came here. You ain't got no city love, bro. Before I came to Dallas, I've been in KC for four weeks. That's fine, bro. I've been in KC for a week. That's why. I wonder why you didn't do the song, which I wouldn't do now with you either. Nah, nah, he already know what it is. Left on me. You the product of the song? When you coming back. Hey, you can't be mad. Is it cause the crime rate up? Me and you spoke on that earth. Hey, I was, I was going to jail, seemed like every six months in Kansas City.  Nah, for real, I was going to, Hey, I left on parole. Like, you know what I'm saying? See, I was going to ask, I was going to ask you how, could you say you had a good family? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That daddy, mama. Yeah. With a crime rate the way how it is. How did you stay out of trouble? How did you not get in trouble? He did. He just, hold on. See, my mother was amazing. So she made sure, one thing you got to do with these kids, you got to keep them busy. That's right. I played every sport. What happened to me was, when you get to the point where you think you too grown and you telling your mama, whatever, I don't want to do what I do. I got a car, I'm making $8 an hour. I'm hard. But step daddy there, he can pull you up. Nah, he can't do that. See, not my daddy. No, hold on, that was it. No, look, that was the thing. At that point, when I was 16, him and my mother, they was kind of in a rocky spot. So he really didn't have no say so on it too much. I did try to go live with him though. When I left my mama house, I tried to go live with him. It's the same for me. You know what I'm saying? He's saying my homies can't come over. Like, what are you talking about? I didn't know back then, but I see why he's saying now, but he don't trust them niggas. Hell, I wouldn't have trusted them niggas either. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, but. So, I just really, like, I get it. Arizona, Kansas, how did you and big court meet? Shout out to big court holding court. Shout out to holding court podcast. Shout out to big court. Look, I caught a case and my co-defendant is related to him or something like that. He hit me up and said, hey, my uncle, you know, he with no limit, blah, blah, blah.  I ignored him. You know what I'm saying? I don't care about him. A few years later, court get into it with this dude in our city. And they really going back and court put the full court press on him. I'm like, man, who is this dude? He pressed it like, nigga, I'll come see you, Jack. No, I'm talking about shot a real music video, had him tied up in the video and all types of stuff. And it's your homeboy. We just court, yeah, I guess. But really, before I'm to do that, you like, who is this nigga to do that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was somebody I was acquainted with, you know what I'm saying? So I'm like, man, what's up with dude? So I kind of court on my radar. He did the movie with Master P. What was that, I got to hook up my son. I told court that was the worst movie I ever seen. I said, bro, I said, bro, this movie was terrible. Like you making the city look bad.  That's how I felt about it. You know what I'm saying? So court like, man, who is this dude? So, you know, he get to see me a little bit. So he start following me just a little bit. So he stay kind of cordial online. He flew out to Scotchdale. He don't be in Phoenix. He be in Scotchdale. You know what I'm saying? Okay, okay, that's the uppity part. He's in Scotchdale. He's like, hey man, come have dinner with me.  Let me know what you want to do with this music by my line.  And we really just chop it up.  He don't want, he don't want to take from what I'm doing. He want to build on top of what I'm doing. He didn't want to just sign me to TME and make me a part of, he wanted to see what he can do to enhance what I already had going on. I feel like he respected me as my own boss, you know what I'm saying? As an independent artist, you know what I'm saying? So I stayed tapped in with him. So me and him really built our relationship simply off me executing. Like if I had a press run, like I think I did one in LA and in Atlanta. He was there, you know what I'm saying?  You know what I'm saying? He would do stuff like that. He, when I did dirty glove, you know, he was right there. He, he told me what a EPK was. You know what I'm saying? I didn't even know. You didn't know? No, I never, I never heard of it. You ain't seen me once, I figured you didn't. No, I got one though, I got one though. I need to get it up. I need court to update it actually. Court, who did my EPK? I need that one for the updated, but yeah. So yeah, it's just, it's rare to run into dudes who do what they say, you know what I'm saying? And just genuine.  He'll call me and just check on me. Like, hey, what you working on? Are you a real? What happened to what you say last time? Did you follow through with that? You know what I'm saying? It's that little stuff. A lot of people in our city got this weird thing about him.  Won't he just give us 10,000? And, and posters, they give us an interview.  Talking about what ain't on the whole court podcast.  What? Who don't want to sit and watch you talk about nothing? You know what I'm saying? At the end of the day, man, I think a lot of times you can't take that.  You know what I'm saying? That's naked body. And then, you know, they talk, they talk that shit, but it kind of died down cause courts started popping up in the city. Hold on, this is when he started, he started, he'll pop up in the city and go live everywhere he at.   You didn't do nothing to him, like. So he moved like that a little. He don't really do it as much as you see. Nah, I'm glad he don't. I'm glad he don't, cause he don't have nothing to prove, man. Nah, man, he proved it though. But he don't have anything. He didn't have much work this man, everybody in man. Hey, you know them, if you go to KC and you get to know them niggas from the 40s, he from the 40s. Don't let them play. I know he all, them niggas from the 40s, boy. They serious. They got this other side to it. You know what I'm saying? And you'll be with court at the Cheesecake Factory or something. He just snapping to this mode. Like, man, let me tell you about this one time. All of that. You know what I'm saying? I love to record that. That's my boy, man. Like I don't play about court. Ever since we met, we locked in. There ain't no games, man. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But I think that's what God do for me, man. He put the right people in my circle. Yeah, for sure. And it be so real. So I know he's God. You know what I mean? So that's dope. That's why I asked you about him. But I got to ask you this. Because you were mentioning that you were in a court case that you had. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How old were you at that time? And was that your first? Yeah, that was my first one. I was 18 when I called it. What was it for? It was for robbery. OK. Stick up, kid. I was 18. Yeah. I did change the robber. I rep the robbering crew, but it's not for robbing. It's for taking what you want. You know what I'm saying? I was 18. I messed up the whole papers, ended up getting my time. But the way I worked it, I was only in prison for like eight months or something like that. You know what I'm saying? I didn't do that long. You know what I'm saying? I did it. It was enough for me. You know what I'm saying? So you've never been back since that? No, I ain't been back. No, I ain't. I've been arrested maybe one time since then. But I really, when I moved to Arizona when I was 22 years old, that's what kind of saved me. Before then, I was headed down. I was doomed, you know what I'm saying? Because you said that it was because when your partner had passed away, you moved the next day. So something must have happened really bad during that time while you just like, this is the last straw. Look, before that, the bounty hunters came to my big mama house. She lets him in the house and she says, he don't live here. My city covers are sitting on the table. You know what I'm saying?  So I'm at my homey house. I can't even go home. You know what I'm saying? And then my homey died. And I just, I'm like, man, I'm gonna try this. My goal, I took just a basket of clothes. My goal was really just to stay for like a few weeks or something like that. But I just never, I never left when I went. I didn't come back to KC for like two, three years. What is it about Arizona that you would love for people to know? Why should people come to Arizona to visit or is there anything at all? It depends on what type of person you are. Other than the desert, what else do y'all got? No, I mean, when I got- There's soup bowl over there last year.   You know what I'm saying? That was like the first thing I see, you know what I'm saying, definitely that. But it's a place where you can expand. If you're from a city where I'm from KC, where I'm from the part of KC, it's just all black people. I didn't grow up, it was three white people in my high school, you know what I'm saying? I didn't grow up in diversity, you know what I'm saying? So it was a way for me to get to mess with other people. I ended up going to college. I went to University of Phoenix, you know what I'm saying? You know, where you do the one day in, you do the rest on the line, I did that. I got to be around other people. I just got to see a different side of life. I had never been out of Kansas City at that point, you know what I'm saying? And I really just loved it. And I kind of to see, I started to see the pieces fall together for me like, man, I was meant to be here. And I wasn't fighting what was happening, you know what I'm saying? Let me, let me, let me, let me put a wrap it up. But I'm gonna ask you about the Robin Crew, the clothing, merchandise, like how is that, how is that going for you Steve? Man, it's going lovely. I am in a, I don't know if you ever went through this, my drop shipper dropped me. You know what I'm saying? I had a drop shipper, he was showing love. And he got tired of doing it. I think so though, I think, I think. Yeah, I think so. He really cut me off all the way. So it's kind of more difficult now for me to do the drop shipping. But robincrew.com is up right now. You know what I'm saying? You know, sometimes I get flooded with orders. I took everything off the web. So I got like five things on the website that I can really manage. You know, really easy. You know what I'm saying? You need a hoodie, you need a t-shirt, you need a hat, I'm sending them to you ASAP. But I used to have like 50 items on there because my drop shipper, he'll, you know, he'll get it done and get it to you. I think, I think like T-Rail from Topeka, Kansas City, Missouri, my shout out to Coop, shout out to Luston. Like I said, them little cats came in her life and caught in them. Man, I love them young niggas, man. I'm kind of throw up, bro. I just love our people. I liked how you mess with them. I watched that whole interview. I rock with every one of y'all the same. I'm saying what we mentioned is just when you, if you're able to get in, you in. Yeah, for sure. But if you're out, you out. For sure. I'm in, I'm in. You know what I'm saying? But no, like, I just, I appreciate you for coming on the show, man. How can people get a hold? Top three artists of all time, Dead or Alive, we gotta ask you that. Top three artists of all time, Dead or Alive, like who is your top three, any genre? Top three. Bro, I came up different. So I'm going to say Tupac number one. Tupac number one, shout out. He right there to your right. I'ma go. Or to your left, I'ma smile right. I'ma go Tech Nine. Tech Nine. And then just because this is what. It's the first person that ever got me a rap check. I'ma say Messy Mawr. Messy Mawr. Yeah. Shout out to Messy Mawr, man. You been announced on Boss Talk 101. So that's Tupac Tech Nine and Messy Mawr. This top three artists of all time. Hey, listen, man, check it, man. How can people get a hold of if they're trying to rock out with you? Just Google CW the Young Blood, CW the Young Blood. I'm on Instagram, the young monster. Yeah, whatever. I'm on the auto streaming platforms. You know, just type in. You know, whatever you use, type my name in. I'ma pop up.   That's what you want people to say about you? Yeah. That he was paid? No, no.   That ain't gonna be the whole documentary though. What else is Tupac about to?  Like just don't die broke. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes when you keep chasing that paper and you're chasing well, sometimes you can miss the most important things like, you know, building memories and spending time with family and stuff like that. They can lose all that money that you left them. It gotta be a balance, but I think for certain men, a lot of us, we need to focus on achieving goals. They don't even gotta be monetary. Like you can die broke spirited.  What is your wealth? Wealth is, I honestly. Health is wealth. Health is wealth, being real is wealth, having accountability like we was talking about earlier as well. You know what I'm saying?  So before we get off of here, like what's the next project that people should be looking for from you? And what's the name of? Do you have a name of it? Yeah, next week I'm dropping, God forgives my chopper don't. Man. Yeah. What's up, man? God forgive my three niggas in Kansas City, My chopper don't. My chopper don't, I'm saying that. It's kind of like an elevated version from, I did a God don't listen to fake niggas. You know what I'm saying? It's kind of like my sequel to that. You know what I'm saying? I fear you, man. Yeah. Well, I think risk to factor, tech nine, of course you big court. Sleazy putting on for us right now. Sleazy is putting on. Sleazy putting on for us. Who up that? Sleazy putting on. I was messing with my boy Glock just today.  But it's a lot of top tier artists in our city. Like it's a bunch of, I'm pretty sure y'all know in Dallas y'all got them and then y'all got the people that's right under them. That got the potential, you know what I'm saying? It's so many of us. Tech nine, he's real cousin. Yeah, that's my relationship.  I'ma let him know. Say, man, you got to go over there. I say, that's the hardest podcast I ever been on in my life. Yeah, for sure. I ain't never had that many cameras on me at one time. Nah, for sure.  Yeah, yeah, yeah.  And the place he do it out of being that 17 year with your picture on the wall. Since 2009, man. Come on, man. You gotta come sign it. Since 2009, your picture been on this wall, bro. Yeah, for sure. Step up to the plate, nigga. For sure, come on, tech. Come on, man. Nah, I just love the culture, man.  Man, two sure are supposed to be coming next week. I've been trying to link. Two sure coming here? Yeah, no, he coming next week. I'm trying to get it. Oh, he going to be out and down, and you just trying to get him.  This is a few. I'll shout out E-40, tech Seaman said that, hey, he told, he just pulled me to the side. He said, hey, E-40 is our cousin. When you see him, get him. Really? That's what he said. But he didn't tell you how y'all related. He didn't tell me how he said that's our cousin. Man, he farted to a damn. Cut, tech, now improve it. I'm going to tell him to prove it. We got to figure this out. You put that in my mind, man. I can't even go down.  We don't do no capping in KC, so if he said, I'm just taking his word for it. He don't be lying. So you don't understand. But damn, but damn. Your cousin. It got to be something. Somebody got married, somebody. He farted and said, yeah, we cousins, he going to ask you how. How? And you ain't going to say anything. Cut, tech, now he's saying so. Why? E-40, I'm going to say, tech nine is my cousin, tech seven, y'all cousins, what's up, man? Let's do it. You know what I'm saying? Would you like to work with E-40? Yeah, that'll be all. I was young listening to, that was the first diss track I heard when he dissed Rossi Wallace. Yeah, yeah. That was the first diss track I ever heard in my life. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.  Man, be legit, man. All little man, sugar tea. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  We, we- Yeah, I know y'all didn't, y'all ain't trying to check on the side, but PMC is what it is to me, man. Don't come down here. I love PMC. Yeah, yeah, you got to. I love PMC. What's your favorite PMC song? One day you hear it, then you go. Now, hold on. I'm not talking to you. Oh, I've tried to get another song to go. I don't, I don't, I don't get into a catalog like that, but I can definitely start, but I can definitely just start smoking up. Hey, hey, hey. You know what I'm saying? I can just start- I can just start- They call it buck. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Don't play, nigga. That's it. You know what I'm saying? No, no, no. It's what it, I think I people- I'm a Big Bum Beep fan now. Man, it was a big Bum Beep fan. I think they're on that murder. That nigga went out through. Well, it's Bum Beep. Yeah, that nigga can go. Yeah, I'm a Big Bum Beep fan. I ain't gonna lie, man.  For sure. For sure. For sure. That was a soundtrack for you. That was about the good, bad, and the ugly. Yeah, but some of the stuff I did then, they didn't get on their track. Yeah. Meaning, you know what I'm saying? I'm in them streets for real. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They was in Port Arthur. I'm from Streetport, a little bit in Houston, Dallas. I'm circling this whole like a, like a eagle, nigga. Just, you know what I'm saying? Like, and then I might jump, skip down by the valley.  So it was, it was the thing where a PMC wasn't lying though. Like our, our prices was a little bit better than most in the South. Yeah, man, in the deep, dirty South, man. Man. Check it, man. Hey, man. Thank you for coming to the show. We love you, bro. I appreciate it. Man, I hope you enjoyed it, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101.  And we out. You know what I'm saying?


Men of the National Drug Law Enforcement Agency, the NDLEA in Adama, our state, have arrested more than 30 drug users and vendors during a raid. Addressing the press after the raid, the NDLEA state commander, Femi Abolu, said the operation was in line with the directives of the chairman of the agency to carry out MOP-UP operations at various black sports in the country. He said that the operation was successful as two notorious drug joints in the state were raided. During dealers, drug dealers and users who were arrested and different exhibits, including Cannabis, Sativa, Tramadol, Dispersum and XO5 tablets, were found. To ensure that the transition period between now and on the 29th of May, which is the handing over date, that the society should be a better place, let us mop out drugs in circulation. Let's remove the bad boys in circulation because it is believed, it has been scientifically proved and believed that substance abuse is a catalyst for what? Electroviolence. Look at the house known that was sold, look at the suspect that I've been looking for and luckily today, they've gotten him. So that's a good one.  That's what we're going to be doing. So by telling people that they're going to lose their property, if they allow people to put in drugs there, I think they will break up. I'm here because I committed an offense by selling illicit drugs. I've been in this business for more than four years now. I'm regretting my actions because my parents have always warned me of the danger of selling illicit drugs.


Welcome everyone to our continuous coverage on theCUBE of AWS re-invent 2021. I'm your host, Dave Nicholson, and I am absolutely delighted to be joined by two folks from Unisys, a company that has been in the business of helping people with everything related to IT for a very, very long time. We heard a talk about data modernization, app modernization with Anupriya Ramraj, Vice President of Cloud Solution Management at Unisys, along with Anupam Sahai, VP and CTO of Cloud Solution Engineering at Unisys. And just so that we keep everything clear, I'm just going to call you Anu and Anupam, and we'll all know who we're talking to. Sure. The funny thing is, I'm David Nicholson, or Dave Nicholson. Dave Vellanti is one of the founders of SiliconANGLE theCUBE. So usually it's two Dave's battling it out. Today's two Anu's. Two Anu's, yes, so two Anu's. So I get to be David and he's Dave, typically. So we're completely used to this. So tell me about what Unisys is doing in the arena of app modernization and data modernization and migration into cloud. Unisys has a long and storied history of managing IT in people's environments, in the sort of on-premises world. As well as cloud now. But Anu, tell us a little about what Unisys is doing in this space and then we'll double-click and dive in. Absolutely, Dave. So you're probably very, very familiar with the six Rs of modernization, right? All the way from migration modernization, all the way from re-platform, re-hose to the other side of the spectrum, re-factor and re-architect, right? So what Unisys does is that it takes clients on that journey, right? So we see clients in different stages of that journey. There are clients that come to us, we recently brought on board a pipeline. They're very early in their journey. They're just talking about their first set of migrations. There are clients that have taken the leap and done 75% of their workload is on cloud. Even for Unisys, 95% of, more than 95% of our workload actually runs on cloud, public cloud. Right, so different stages of the journey. But no matter where they are in the journey, really moving the needle on modernization, right? And what do we mean by modernization? It's taking advantage of the innovation in cloud, whether it's serverless or containers or AI and bringing that to the client so that they can drive those business outcomes. That's what we are passionate about doing, right? And we can talk to you about a couple of clients where we've done this on, but I'd like to Anupam to add on. Sure, I know. And just before you dive in, Anupam, I want to hear specifically about the inhibitors that you're seeing, the things that are causing friction in movement to cloud. Yeah, so cloud is a transformative technology, is disruptive, and it brings about lots of benefits that are very well understood, but not realized. Lower total cost of ownership, higher security, innovation and agility. But the challenges that you see for customers who really benefit from moving and migrating to the cloud are related to security and compliance that comes up to be the top pain point followed by cost of ownership. There are optimizations that you need to do before you can benefit from really leveraging the benefits from the cloud. And then innovation and agility, how to derive that? And there are certain things around app and data modernization, data analytics, AIML, that really helps realize those values, but it needs a concerted effort and a drive and a push to transform your infrastructure from where you are today to really get to derive the true benefits from the cloud. And we do a cloud barometer study of about thousands of organizations from a UNISIS perspective, Dave. And as Anupam was saying, more than 60% of our clients say security is the biggest inhibitor. They want help with security. You're saying the inhibitor to going to cloud is security? To accelerating the cloud journey. They want it. Is that perception or is that hesitancy just perception or is it reality? That's a great question, Dave, so.  You can reach over and smack me and say, get over it. You're going to be fine, Dave. Actually, Anupam leaned into it already. In many cases, when you actually get your cloud configuration right, you're probably more secure in the cloud. But it's getting clients confident with that setup. That's where the rubber meets the road, right? And that's where we come in to say, do you understand the shared responsibility model with cloud? What does the cloud provider do? What is being here at AWS re-invent? What does AWS bring to the table for security? This is what the client is responsible for. For example, application security is completely their client's responsibility, in most cases. So just working with the client so that they understand the shared responsibility model and then making sure we protect all the different layers of the stack with security, right? Even as apps are developed, you need to have DevSecOps pipeline, right? So I didn't say DevOps. I said DevSecOps because we want to make security a part of developing your applications and deploying them in cloud as well. So that's what we bring to the table making sure clients feel confident in accelerating their cloud journey. So Arupa, you can deal with customers like me who truly believe that my money is safer in a coffee can buried in my backyard than it is in a bank, right? With all those banking people wandering around. So when you start looking at an environment and you look at the totality of an IT infrastructure landscape, how do you go about determining what is the low hanging fruit? What makes sense to move first from, and is that always an ROI discussion that comes into play? And are your customers, I like to give like five questions at the same time to confuse you, and are your customers expecting to immediately save money? How big is the ROI conversation in this? It's a great question. So a couple of things need to be considered. First is to understand where is the customer in the digital transformation journey? Are they a green field where they only have on-premises data center and they're trying to get to the cloud? Or they already have tipped their toes and moved to the cloud and in the cloud, how far advanced are they in their transformation journey? Have they done apps and data modernization? Do they have management and operations capability for day one and day two, cloud ops and fin ops and security ops? And are they leveraging the power of the cloud, the copious amounts of data that cloud brings to the table? The important thing to understand is that 80% of the tools that work in the on-prem do not work in the cloud. So you have to understand the very nature of the cloud and to deal with it differently. The same old tools and tricks will not work in the cloud. And I call it the three Vs in the cloud. Velocity, volume and variety of data is different in the cloud. So when you're talking about security, you need to look at the cloud infrastructure, posture management. You need to look at the cloud workload posture management. You need to look at data that's available and analyze and harness the data using AIML and data analytics. So you need a new set of tricks, as it were, to really harness the power of the cloud to derive the benefits from increased security, lower cost of ownership and innovation and agility. That makes sense. I think Anupam touched on it with FinOps, right? And you asked the question, Dave, around, is that the biggest driver in terms of savings to get to the cloud? And I think it's definitely one of the bigger factors because, and we believe, to realize that, we offer a FinOps service. And a FinOps service, not just for a cloud, purchasing models are different, right? It's not like your data center planning. Anupam talked about the tools being different. It's more than the tools, right? So you could do reserved instances or you could do spot instances, completely different ballgame with AWS, right? Or you could do AWS savings plans. Are you maximizing all of that? And even beyond that, are you thinking beyond that into AWS Container Support, EKS? Are you talking about serverless? And that could completely change your bill and your total cost of ownership. You talked, Dave, about past databases, right? So platform as a service and that could completely change your total cost of ownership there as well. So are you really maximizing that? And do you have a FinOps service around that? Do you have a trusted partner who can help you with FinOps? Is I think an important consideration there. Well, Anupriya, I know you're dying to talk about a customer example. Oh, sure. Make it real for us. Give us an example of this process in action where Unisys has helped a customer on the journey. Absolutely, Dave. So one example that comes to mind is a large public university and they've got about a half a million students and they've got 20 plus campuses around the US in California, so I might have given myself away there. And what they've done is initially, they are big into AWS and they are into their cloud journey big time and they are a hybrid deployment at this point. And initially, when they subscribed to our FinOps service, we brought in all the different thinking around working with the different organizations. Really it's like business planning. You need to know which is your most significant apps and what do you want to invest in them in terms of modernization and in tuning your AWS spend. And so we did that and so we got them about a 33% cost saving. And what they did was then, they looked at all of their AWS accounts across the campuses and said, we want FinOps across all of them. Let's consolidate all of them. So that's the power of a FinOps service, about a 33% saving right there. Well that is particularly exciting for me because I assume that they're going to be lowering my kid's tuition next year. So I'll be looking forward to that. And now Anupam, we know why she was kicked out of the intelligence agency. Can't keep it a secret. Let's talk about an amusement park, famous for its rodents, but I'm not going to say the name. So Anupam, talk about the technology space that we're in the midst of here at AWS re-invent. Each time we have a keynote, we're hit with almost a mind boggling number of announcements. Customers can't keep this stuff straight. There are 475 different kinds of instances. Used to be, we have S3 and we have EC2. Would you like one or would you like both? How do you help customers make sense of this? Yeah, no, that's a great question because the cloud has three weeks, velocity, variety and volume of data, and the new kinds of services that are available day by day, it's growing. The key is to really figure out, again, map the business objectives that you as a customer or company are trying to achieve. Understand where you are in your digital transformation journey and then based on the two, and assess where you, and companies like Unisys can work with the customer to assess their, what I call, the digital transformation posture, which will then give us clear indications or recommendations on what are the next stages in the transformation of journey. So whether you want to improve your security posture, whether you want to improve your cost of ownership posture, whether you want to go to the cloud and leverage DevSecOps to benefit from the innovation and agility, we can help you. Unisys has DevSecOps as a service, containers as a service where we can help our customers and partners migrate to the cloud, modernize the apps, and again, based on research that's out there, you can speed up app deployment and development by 60% by leveraging the power of the cloud. So the benefits out there for customers to get access to, it's a question of finding the right combination of people, process, and technology to get you there. And Unisys being a very trusted advisor is certainly able to help you accelerate that journey and get you to meet your business outcomes. So let me ask the two of you what might be an uncomfortable question. And that is, obviously Unisys is in the business of managing things that aren't in cloud, also.  Aren't some of these things that you're doing as a trusted advisor almost counterintuitive from a finance perspective at Unisys, at least in the short term? How do you balance that? It's a great question, Dave. And for us, we are customer obsessed. So that's, I know one of the AWS principles and we live by that as well, right? So customer comes first and doing the right thing by them, whether it is the total cost of ownership, whether it's getting the security posture right, that comes first for us. And if moving them to a public cloud will help them achieve that, we will do that, right? So even if it means that our bill is going to be lower, so we'll give you a great example there. Unisys, as you know, Dave, has been in the mainframe business and we've got customers that are still on ClearPath, right? So even with those customers, we help them with both transitions, we can run ClearPath today on public cloud and we also help with modernization, right? So we always do the right thing by the customer. It's really the customer's choice in terms of what does the business warrant? How much business disruption are they willing to take as we do this modernization journey? And that's what determines us and that's what makes us trusted advisors. We're not looking out for the bottom line there in terms of how much our bill would be. Well, that's actually a great place to wrap up. I think it's hilarious that you mentioned mainframe since you were five years old. You gave me a blank stare when I mentioned stuff Unisys was doing 20 years ago. Anupriya Anupam from Unisys, thank you so much. It's a great point to close on. You're a trusted advisor when you're doing things that are truly in the customer's best interest and not just in your own company's best interest. I'm Dave Nicholson for theCUBE. We'd like to thank you for joining our continuous coverage at AWS re-invent 2021. Stay tuned because we are your leader in hybrid tech event coverage.


Hi guys, happy Sunday, hope you all had a good weekend and of course I'm not going to start this without talking about yesterday and how Arsenal became 14 time winners of the FA Cup beating Chelsea. So yeah it's been a good weekend for me, I hope you have enjoyed it as much as possible, I was about to say as much as I have but understandably for Chelsea fans it's probably been quite a hard weekend. We'll have a quick look over the charts and as usual guys any any questions that you have just you know far away and I'll be more than happy to to go through those as and when. I mean looking at just the Euro here from from last couple of weeks insane move however you know that they're certainly looking at that candle how we finish Friday pretty pretty key you would say I'd almost be half tempted to look for a short little correction move in the Euro let's just make this chart even smaller and here we're going back to you know for whatever reason you know I haven't marked up that 24th of September high really because obviously it's quite far away but you can see it hit that rejected it and we have come lower so you can see now the way people I think will be looking at things going into the new week new month as well is we've rejected one level two levels three levels and also the high of the 27th of July all taken off in one day so pretty key there from the bears anyway of this this currency pair maybe we're actually gonna start to see a bit of a drift lower and now how would I go about that I think obviously you're now looking to sort of just maneuver some of these these lines to sort of get right on certain levels now we're going about it doing this for me I'm just gonna remove the ones down below because it's unlikely of course that we're gonna get a massive move down there and if it did obviously just be aware of the highs from the 9th of March that we had which would obviously be an area that people would would be looking to get in again so massive move lower than just be aware of these two points here however obviously unlikely to get there so the two ways I'd almost be looking at this this pair is you've got the opportunity to get long and I would say if it gets back above this 118 handle on a daily close that's that's sort of saying okay the bears one Friday but now they've given up a bit and actually maybe we start to push on to that yearly high again however if we do stay below this 118 I wouldn't be too surprised to see us then come down to the 117 handle and then obviously what happens at that point is well another decision has to be made do the the bias step in or do we dip drip drip back down towards the the 23rd of July high and if that goes well this is when this area comes in a bit quicker and yeah that would give me quite excited however I think from lining the sand the 118 handle is gonna be it's gonna be pretty useful to keep an eye on the only thing you would say is obviously we've got non fun pair or some Friday and now the sort of the earnings are done and what not it might be that especially after a big move like you've seen here we just drift sideways for a bit so maybe not expecting fireworks just yet you can see these moves are pretty similar maybe we just have to range a touch I think we do push low I think on the week we're gonna finish lower but that said a daily close above 118 on the futures then I would be looking to sort of I guess you know redo my analysis and say okay you're wrong for now and actually it looks like we could get another test of that high so that's how I see the euro just before we go on to the pound I think it's worth having a look at the the weekly chart here as well actually I'm gonna put that on a daily just to leave those levels for next week and we'll go to we'll go to the euro on the weekly but just remove everything give me one second yeah so you can see on the weekly of course yeah up to levels not seen for for quite some time and you know sometimes you look back at these in in in a few weeks months time you think God was that the opportunity to get short this market I think people will be thinking that so we'll have to have to hold out and see how that goes if we haven't a look at the chart since the beginning of time it's have a look to see if we can get any rough trend lines on look at that look at that I mean that is that could be we could have seen the high for a while is is how you need to get the focus but also on the flip side you can see how important that's going to be you can really see you know if we were to get close up above that trend line multi-decade trend line what's the stop it going towards that one twenty two area you know these lows that we've got you know from February 18 big big level to keep an eye on so just bear that in mind going forward for the next couple of weeks pounds you can see pushed on again came down a bit on on Friday but had gone one two three four five six seven eight nine nine days to the upside one two three four five six seven eight nine ten days to the upside one thirty two will be an area of focus a good enough test of it you have to say it's only 20 ticks away from from sort of retesting that high that we had on the 6th of March which would be basically a reverse of the coronavirus move that we saw where pounders dropped off the cliff so how to go about this into the the new week levels to the downside of course can still stay on this boxed area I'm just gonna circle it circle it shaded in now that for me is key keep a watch on that because if we do drip below the 130 that's when I think you're gonna see this market come under a bit more pressure what could be the queue for that could be some serious dollar strength in the euro and we drift lower and then the pound does as well pullbacks would be welcome for sure and this is another market where I'm just gonna put it on to the weekly chart and again remove everything for you and then you're gonna have people looking at the the trend line here so going back from the 2018 high I mean look at that it's it's beyond perfect and does it break I from a risk reward point of view I think you've got two very good opportunities here to go short on the euro and the pound I expect weak red candles I expect on the week doing this next Sunday it's gonna be we're gonna have a few days into the downside and you can just see the importance of this that said we close a week above this and next thing you know it's 135 is next thing you know it's what it's 137 50 60 and for the euro you know we've already gone through those levels so yeah if you like your your longer time frames and you can see the importance of those in play there so do do do do keep a watch on how we react around those previous highs if we even get back to text test them Aussie dollar we had a level marked up 7215 why did we have it marked up yeah this this resistance here from February and April last year it's important and you can just see that those lows I mean just the way I'd I'd be looking at these these markets these dollar pairs is we just come into such key key resistance and you know everyone's now talk about the dollar is dead it's when everyone thinks that on all the headlines are saying it that you start to get people taking a bit of profit and then we reverse and then suddenly you get some good news out the US or some bad news out of Europe or Australia or the UK and things turn around and they come down quite quick I'm bullish the US dollar this week is what I'm saying I will be wrong in my opinion if we get back above 7215 you can see there's a nice little little nice push you could get towards that next target where would that sort of line in the sand be where you know the buyers have to defend for me it's this this this stone here obviously on the 21st of July so two months ago we really pushed higher be interested to see what happens if we come back to test all of that you'd argue similar to the euro we quickly quickly go back to the euro that circled area in the euro is a point where the balls will fancy going along here for the Aussie let's make it a circle as well it's going to be this point here and as long as that holds you know this is pullback would be fine and just give up with people opportunity to get in again I think we get a test of that I think we get a test of the euro one and the pound this is make a circle here for the similar sort of range you know I think we get a test of those in the coming weeks if not if not next week that said now what makes me slightly less confident on that is that I'm still I'm still quite bullish US equities and for them to go higher the correlation we're seeing at the moment is the dollar is becoming weaker that your currency such as the pound and the Aussie are going higher so it's something just to think about for the S&P and that correlation with equities of course and currencies of course trade what you see not what you think and if I mean if the S&P was to get back below this area support then then that's wrong you know and regardless of what currencies are doing but on the flip side if we get above this rectangular area really sort of 30 300 handle which was the low that we had back on the 10th of Feb you might start to see the currencies actually find a bit of support me push on but I wouldn't change anything looking at this for the for equity markets it's decision time has to be made above or below this little range that we're in and I would fancy longs from all of these points below these two points below if we come 31 89 again a close of the day below that and also I'll move an average here which the 21 period then I think we would get these these levels to come in and then it's another decision time close of the day above the high that we had on the 23rd of July and the low of the 10th of Feb is key having a look at this on the weekly chart you can see how important it was where we closed you can see here if we take away that last week and obviously this is the month you get strong resist air support turns to resistance and you get one rejection to rejection close above it's the first close above it's the highest actually I believe this month on it's the highest the S&P has ever closed a month silence says it all so yeah going back to the S&P here on the the daily decision time decision time here or below so let's hold out see how it goes the NASDAQ I'm not not going to change anything on this either really other than you know just that double top on the all-time high trend channels in intact the 21 day moving average leave it on because it has been respected enough but it's starting to get a bit messy and let me just remove these couple of rectangles on here I mean looking at this you know it's once we close below this area you can see we pushed down and then it's this previous all-time high in the trend channel and that was a really good opportunity back on the 24th of July which I believe was Friday before we started the the next week that rejection led us to push high we now closed above this area so that's your line in the sand for me I would imagine we get an all-time high test again in the next couple of days and decision time do we reject it do we push higher let's hold out and see for the Dow Jones let's just remove everything because we couldn't cover it last week so we'll start a fresh and actually key key area here got those lows from Jan and Feb we need to keep a watch on there still a fair whack away certainly looks like there's a decent enough trend line coming from the lows a couple of failed tests there Thursday Friday that would have been interesting to see if we had closed below there and that the maybe the S&P would have closed its week below good good buying pressure coming in then you see also the low from the 14th of July so strong finish on Friday I would say also back above the trend line I'd expect that we get the the double top from the 15th and the 23rd of July I reckon that comes in where would it be wrong a close of the day below Thursday and Friday's double bottom above there obviously just keep a watch because you're likely to get a nice move towards the night of June good week for equities and it's it would be looking very nice because you likely had you know the S&P you know if we can close the week above 33 30 then it's all-time highs very shortly the NASDAQ will be on all-time highs and you may well start to get the Dow getting closer towards this January and February double bottom which is massive you'd expect a big challenge to get through that where the others might find it a bit easier or the NASDAQ certainly did the S&P we haven't quite seen it just yet gold pushing on that's a new new all-time high for for gold I believe yeah we got that course and didn't you know just put it on the 60 minute just to see how it reacted around that point yeah a bit of resistance came down then found a bit of support it's it's interesting I was actually you know looking just on Twitter yesterday and some people were saying we're we're gonna come a bit lower and you know the the argument for that is dollar strength in the pairs at massive resistance levels if the dollar start strengthening whether it just be because a bit of profit taking or whatever gold there's got to come lower and I think you know looking at looking how we finish Friday you've got the 28th of July then we couldn't close above at the 29th couldn't close above it the 30th had a go on Friday but we couldn't you know four days without getting above 1975 I think it's worth a little short again risk rules quite nice that it might want to you know take 2000 that and then come come a bit lower if you want to be a bit safer then you know you could be looking at sort of 1936 and short below there and then you just sort of take profit on you know these previous highs that turn to lows 1900 hand obviously looks quite significant targets to the upside it depends how you really want to go about this I'd say it's you know if you're still long and it's a risk-free trade completely then you are slightly happier and just a little run anyway aren't you you know if it's a longer term trade you know the conditions are still quite nice for gold I would just I'm not gonna you know for the first three currencies we went through I'm happy to put my neck on the line and say we come lower for gold you know I think we could have a little pullback but it's more like I'd say 55% sure after a fantastic run that it's been on boil we said last week didn't we know if it was a good enough weekend it wouldn't technically be the worst idea to get long it just never really really went and we had a break with that trend and we had a break of support it just came down to 39 38 $39 and I think the the last few closes on the week so you can see it being pretty much the same so it's just not there at the moment for oil and I actually traded to the short side on the the Thursday and quite poorly actually you think what it went down all that way yes it did I just came out way too early on that way too early however we've we've rebounded since Thursday's low and you can just see here looking at 60 minute it never really threatened again that low so looking on the day I mean looking at this having looked at one two three four five six seven other markets it's not appealing is it really looking at oil so maybe a bigger move to come you know the way oil can you know spring to life is it's certainly you know worth looking at it just doesn't look like there's much going to happen until we break out this it's the horrible little range that we've been in you know the trend line breaks have become it you know horrible and yeah I don't know even if we break 38 39 and you got a lot of support it just hasn't really done anything since 19th of June I'd be interested to know what you guys think about oil I'm still you know I still think we do go higher overall and but maybe you know the dollar strength side of things and that would have to postpone that but I'm not in an oil trade however I would like to have another go long 43 43 above there towards you know the 50 dollar handle more importantly the the third of March high which is 48 58 but what the hold out and see silver that finish is not good is it look at that what finish on the week I mean the more just looking at these charts the more I'm I'm really developing this dollar strength bias for the week yeah I mean the four you know two rejections of the high that you've got from August 13 look at that I mean test come back I mean you know the way to obviously to then go about this looking on the daily chart is you know it's it's gappy of course but yeah it's a bit cleaner you'd say that the balls are happy as long as it stays above the low that we had on the 23rd and the 28th what candle that is and if you want to be safe and not short right away then underneath 2245 is the place for that I mean just from having a look at these charts I'm gonna be really interested to listen to Anthony's briefing tomorrow but I'm getting a dollar strength vibe which is annoying because how is that going to impact the equity markets we'll see Dex look at that look at that break of the trend break of a massive area support and a big push lower also this this close below these lows is not nice I know the footsie had a poor week as well had a little go maybe a couple weeks ago on the footsie just trying to get in didn't happen didn't work didn't really go for the bite and Dex it'd be interesting if we can come back down to the 12,000 handle because that's the way it's looking like on the flip side you know how to get in along here you know if we get this rectangular area you know this is now in control the sellers so daily close back above here you know is something to you know to be aware of and especially if you get risk on you know this zone becomes opportunity for buyers to come in however you know I would well you really would only get in that of course if it closes the day above so I think that's a safe way to go about looking for longs likelihood is 12,000 comes in just the way we finished the day and the week anyway guys hope you all had a good time watching that and also the enjoyed the lecture lecture the webinar Anthony Piers Alex and myself did that was uploaded yesterday I'll drop the link below but yeah I hope you all have a good week ahead a good month ahead and I'll catch you all next Sunday