Welcome to Psychic Medium, Tony Green. I am Tony Green, Seth at Psychic Medium. We are going to get started right away. I wanna thank everybody for joining me here today, taking the time to be, and I use this term loosely, entertained on the show. Okay, first, if you've called in, I will be getting to everybody, hopefully on the call-in log. I will do my best to get to you and answer your questions, help you connect with loved ones on the other side. If you would like to call in, the call-in number is<PHONE_NUMBER>. Yes, that is the call-in number. If you'd like to join us live, it's every Monday and Wednesday at noon central. Yep, noon central. And let's see, I will never reach out to you to ask you if you want a reading or to do work or any of that stuff. I don't do that. Yeah, that's it. Okay, if you'd like to join the chat, you can join us on YouTube. The chat is going strong right now. Lots of questions and clearings going on prior to the show. You can, again, you can call in<PHONE_NUMBER>. I'm gonna start today showing with a clear, show with a clearing. Mimi had already requested this and I started the clearing already, but I'm just going to announce it right out of the gate. We're gonna clear out our heart, our body, our mind of any distress, disappointment, and hurt. And here we go. For anybody listening, re-listening, watching, re-watching. And the more you listen to this, the more it has the opportunity to take. I always say to people, we heal when we're ready, not when we want to. And sometimes we tend to hold on to things that we think we need. Subconsciously, we think we need it. I always use this example to, if we've ever been cheated on, we don't let go of that because we think that protects us from being cheated on again. And then we look for those little signs and so on and so forth. So it's really difficult for us to let go of that because we don't want it to happen again. The truth is, the more we hold on to it, we become a magnet to it, yadda yadda, so on and so forth. So what I'm saying here is that we're gonna let go of as much as we can in this round. Some people, all of it will go right out because we're just ready for it to go.  And that is just how healing works for some people sometimes. We're all very unique, amazing individuals and we can only hold on to that. And then one other thing, Fawn asked me if I could connect with her biological father and I have, and the message was just a little too long to type into the chat. So I'm just gonna give the message here. Yes, it is accurate. The information you received is accurate. He is your dad. And ever since he has tapped in, my whole head hurts.  And I think, I'm guessing that could be for somebody else too. The other thing that I'm getting is that if things had been different, things would have been different. Quite a character this guy is, right?  I'm getting the statement that he did watch you grow up. Just because you didn't maybe know or see him, it doesn't mean he didn't know or see you for whatever that's worth, okay? Fawn, I do hope that if that is helpful for you, I hope that you find some peace in that answer. I wanna say hi to everybody online in the chat. Patrick, hey Patrick, hi Sally. Heather, hey Ann, hi Ann. I'm so happy to see you here today. Genevieve, I hope you're doing well and Tinkle is doing well. Of course, Mimi's here, Fawn and Rebecca, Terry. Thank you all for joining us here. I am going to be answering more questions and doing more clearings from everybody in the chat. So if you have a clearing, please post it. I will do it. If you have a question, post it. I will get to it as soon as I can. And I'm going to go to the first caller and then I will take questions. The first caller is area code 111. 111, what's your name and where are you calling from? Hey Rosemary, how can I help you? I take up for positive, a lot of things going on at once for me and nothing being cleared up and have a trip coming up or anything. Just coming up for that. Or you need a specific question. Yeah, just a specific question we'll do because that's a lot of energy floating around there. So just one specific question would be amazing. Thank you, Rosemary. You're welcome. I guess that's the money coming in for my trip. Don't be cleared up just before Tuesday. Okay, so you want to know, and I just want to make sure because the line isn't as clear as I'd like it to be. There's supposed to be money coming in for your trip and you want to know if it's going to be in before Tuesday. Okay, let me look at that. Do you leave on Tuesday? Okay, hi, the universe is so funny. I keep hearing Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, but here's what we're going to do. We're going to do a little clearing and see if we can't get that to you sooner. She'll have the money for her trip by her trip. I get it, no, let's clear that. Let's see if we can pull it in sooner. And Rosemary, I'm just going to say this. And if it's true, you can confirm it, but you do not have to. There are some of us who were brought up with that. Things never get here on time. I'm always, you know, like just by the skin of my teeth or whatever, however we would say that. So I want to clear that whole energy for you and anybody else who has that where, you know, we're always just struggling or waiting or it's just coming in on time or a day late in a dollar short, that's the statement. Thank you. So let's clear that whole energy out. And that's a statement for those of you who don't know who are much younger. That's a statement like our grandparents would have made of our parents. Like they would have always been in that kind of situation, but we're going to try to clear out as much of that as possible. I didn't expect this one to take me under Rosemary. What the heck? I can barely breathe and I have tears coming out of my eyes right now. Apparently my grandparents must have handed this one down too. It's a biggie folks. Anybody else feeling this? If you are in the chat and you are feeling this, please give a shout out. It's the whole chest and head area that is just like screaming at me right now. And I'm laughing because this is a helica, helica energy. Okay, Rosemary, what are you feeling? I'm feeling like I'm left and right for a year and a half and I hope to get it clear. Then now that you said that Rosemary, Rosemary, I hope you don't mind I'm going to do this.  Anything keeping you stuck, anything in your way on your path has been cleared. I get a no, let's clear it. And here's what I'm going to do. And this is big. This is huge folks and it just came to me and please appreciate this and thank your angels for this. Any and all hardship, agreements or contracts. Any agreements or contracts for hardship or things are tough or things are difficult. We're going to clear that now. Is anybody else feeling the way I feel right now? Am I taking the brunt for everybody? I don't mind, I'll do it. That's why I'm here. Oh, yes. Okay, we're going to clear all that away. And then I'm going to say, you should notice a difference tomorrow. You'll feel lighter today. And then within 24 hours of receiving this, you should notice things start to be a little different. Now, if you're anything like me, as soon as something clears and things start going good, you're like, okay, when's it going to go back? Don't do that, don't do that, right? Don't say, oh, it's just going to get better from here. We need to hold on to that belief and that's that really powerful, like everything's just getting better. So let's all do that. Yeah, Heather's saying she's feeling it in the chest. Hey, welcome to Show Care and Karen's Feeling It. Oh, and yeah, that's good. Okay, I hope this was helpful for you. Please keep us posted on when that money comes in. And I hope you have an amazing trip, okay, love? All right, I will, thank you. You are so, so welcome. So in the chat, Sally asked, I saw 11-11 today on the clock, what does this mean for me? That's a good question. Typically 11-11 is either twins like soulmates meeting. It can be angels are there, they're just letting you know your, the 11-11 is also the number four, which is foundations, strong foundations. And 11-11 is your angels letting you know they're there. And for some people, it means miracles are coming or healing is coming. So whatever that means for you, Sally, whatever fits that, rock with it, whatever that fits, rock with it.  Hey, it's Ben, some calls from New York. I'm not too far from you actually. Is your name 845 here, yeah, man? I live in the kitchen where the old Kmart was. They just whored out. Oh, Ben, that's awesome. Vince, that's the call-in number. That's not my actual number. So I'm unfortunately, I'm not in New York. But no, that makes sense that you would think that, yes. How are you doing, Vince? Yeah, yeah. Well, I had a question. I turned down two jobs just recently, because I got offered, I'm taking a job as a camp at a blue league starting on Monday in Pennsylvania, because there's one more potential there in overtime. And they said that if I prove myself, I could turn into full-time. So I'm wondering if I made the right choice and if it's gonna go really well, if you're gonna keep me full-time, if you're gonna take me on full-time down the road. They, it looks good as of right now. As of right now, everything looks good, Vince. I feel like there might be some transitions as you get into this position, just be open to all possibilities, okay? And transitions can mean they start you in one department and you go to another, or the temp agency might find something better suited for you. Whatever it is, just be open to all the possibilities, okay? Okay, yeah, because I'm really looking forward to it and I'm not getting any benefits in everything until it does go full-time still. But they did say this, especially now with the hot season, that's when people start drinking more beer, that there's gonna be a lot of overtime, which is something I'm accustomed to working too. So, yeah, and I'm hoping this is gonna be and I'll be all job-forming until I decide to be tired. Well, I just, I think you need to be open to any possibilities and anything that else, like if something else does come along, that seems like a better fit, you're gonna wanna be open to it. And there's a statement that says, when you attach to something, how does it go? I'm gonna mess up the statement, but be attached to nothing and you will get everything sort of thing. So don't attach yourself so quickly to this position.  Yeah. I hope that's helpful, Vince. Thank you very much. You are so welcome and you have an absolutely amazing rest of the day, okay, Vince? You too, thank you. You are welcome. I look forward to talking with you again in the near future. I'm gonna go directly to 703-703. What's your name and where are you calling from? Andrea, I'm calling from Virginia. Hey Andrea, how can I help you today? I did this job about a month ago, but it's very toxic, so I decided to quit my job today without another one. So do you think a new one will come soon? Yeah, actually I'm hearing you are gonna, sometimes when I hear tomorrow, it doesn't let Trelle main tomorrow, but it can mean tomorrow. It might mean you find it tomorrow, even if you don't get it tomorrow. I feel like you're gonna find and or know about the job within this week if you actively look. I feel like you're gonna have some really good possibilities. I feel like you're gonna have the, go to like three, possibly four interviews or three, possibly four different companies, and then choose one of them. I feel like it's gonna come down to two different companies and then you're gonna be able to make the choice of which one you want. I feel like by June, by June, is it mid June? They're saying by the beginning of June, you'll be working again and you'll be, you'll be in a much better situation with a much better company. Okay, yeah, I had an interview yesterday that she would take a month if she wants to do somewhere in June, then I had an interview last week, I'm still waiting to hear back. Okay. Because I have some other ones I'm working on. Good, yeah, then that fits right in. I do feel like there's something else you're gonna find. You know what? Really, wherever you're looking for positions, really look it over tomorrow because I feel like something new's gonna pop up and you'll be very interested in it, okay? Okay, awesome, I'll do that. Thank you. You are so welcome. You have an amazing rest of the day. You too. You too, thank you. You too. My pleasure, bye. Bye, bye. Okay guys, I'm just gonna take a second to look at any questions on the chat and Anne wants to know, is there any message that my loved ones can give me to help me not be so stressed? Well, Anne, let's do a healing and or clearing for stress for you and everybody listening, watching, re-listening, re-watching all stress and all that has caused it has been healed, cleared release. Let's clear that. Okay. Anne, what I'm going to tell you is, okay, to know everything is exactly as it's supposed to be is very difficult sometimes, but it's what they're asking you to trust. I know it's very difficult in your situation to have the trust that, that's a lot of stress. Holy, right world? Holy, okay. Keep it going. Just to know that everything is gonna work out and that everything is going to be okay. There are a lot of moments when we can't see that and we begin to worry and we don't always know what's gonna come next or what's gonna happen next or in your case, Anne, I think you are very stressed about what would happen to you next. Who's gonna do something to you next? And yeah, cause I instantly just start shaking when I say that. So let's clear that, let's clear that. And I know when we've gone through things in our life, it can be very difficult. It can be very, very difficult to trust. And I just want you to trust that everything is gonna work out for you and you are going to be in a position where you will be okay and everything will fall into place. It might not look the way you want it to, but it will fall into place. Okay, if you would like to call in and ask a question, the call in number is<PHONE_NUMBER>. Again, that number is<PHONE_NUMBER>. That's the call in number. That's not the number for a private reading. You actually go to my website for that, which is T-O-N-I-G dot I-O-I-N-F-O Tony G dot info. Okay, I'm gonna go to 262, 262. What's your name and where are you calling from? Hey Amy, how are you? Can you hear me? Yep, I can. Oh, good. What's going on? I am good. Good, good, good. What's going on? Okay, so interesting. Yesterday I got a strange phone call thanking me for a political donation and they were asking for access. Oh, Amy, oh my goodness. Okay, so here's what I'm gonna say to you because your phone just got rolled up and I know you're on the road on the way to work. I know you listen to me on your way or traveling every day. I feel like it's a scam. I hope you re-listen to this later. I feel like it's a scam. Don't give them any information. Don't tell them anything. It's a scam, okay? That's what I can tell you.  I am just saying. Don't ever, even if you, okay, so if somebody calls in or emails you or anything and says, thank you for this or we're having a problem with this, don't go through them, go straight to your bank. Never give your personal information to anybody no matter how legit they seem. Don't do it. Don't do it. Okay, Heather wants to know what is her song of the day? Oh my gosh, I have not. Okay, Heather's song, let me tap in to Heather. It's that song and it's not goofy, but let, oh, God, let me love you. I can't even sing it. I can't do the voice. I can't even do the tune of it, but let me love you. Not the slow one, the faster one, the more upbeat song of let me love you. Those are the only words coming through is that, I can't even think of another verse to that song. So yeah, I'm sorry, Heather, that's all I can get for that song. Okay, and Heather's bringing up the baby. Yes, the little munchkin that hangs out during my show for somebody who listens or watches the show.  And big biggest eyes, big blue eyes, very light hair, just stillen pampers or diapers, little blue jeans, and just looks either stands on the floor leaning against the couch looking at me or climbs up and just stares at me for the show. And she is saying, we all have big blue eyes and long eyelashes. You pulled at my heartstrings when you mentioned her baby. Okay, I was going to ask about the baby that is there with you. Is the baby, is it the baby I lost? This little guy is older. I don't feel like this is a baby that somebody lost while pregnant. I feel like, no, it's not a baby somebody lost while they're pregnant. This baby is about, I'm hearing a year and a half, maybe between a year and a half to two years old.  And I can see more from my peripheral vision than I can if I look directly at him. Okay, so thank you for bringing him up again. Heather, thank you so much. And he doesn't speak because he's still, I think because he was so young, he's not verbal yet. But if I were to ask him, I think his name starts with a J, like a Joshua or a J name. I'm just gonna stick with J. I don't wanna be too specific about it. And it might be a D too, like Joshua Daniel or Jamie, I don't know. I don't know that JD might be his initials. I don't know. And I don't wanna say a specific name because sometimes I do get names wrong. I hate to shock everybody. I'm not 1 million percent perfect all the time. Anyway, I'm gonna go to the next scholar who is 918-918. What's your name and where are you calling from? I'm calling from Oklahoma. Hey, Shelly, how can I help you today? His birthday just passed and he's an angel. And I'm just wondering if he has anything that he wants me to know. Sure, can I please ask what your son's name is? His first name. Zachary. Zachary, okay. Okay, gosh, why do... Every single show they try to bring this a some song from this movie in. I'm all right. Don't nobody worry about me. Don't gotta give me that. I'm all right. Okay, every single show that... I think this is the movie I'm hearing, Caddyshack, which is crazy because I think like they keep bringing in Caddyshack songs, which is so funny to me. Okay, the bigger thing is that he would want to say, I'm sorry, were you gonna say something about that love? No, no, that sounds like him though, something funny. Awesome, thank you. Cause that is definitely like the carefree, like let's just laugh, eff it all, sort of personality like, I'm all right. He says it again. Oh my God. Okay, so what I wanna say, he really wants to tell you, he's singing another song and I hope it doesn't make me cry. That song, have I told you lately that I love you? And it is a very, very, very old song.  And then he goes, yeah, I know, yeah, I know. Like if he's leaving the house and you say, be careful, he's like, yeah, I know, yeah, I know. So he's like letting you know every day that, I love you also stinking much. Remember, it's your job to make the miracles that happen in your life. Take care, and I will see you soon.


Good morning, John. I am about to tell you a story that no one knows. A story that honestly I did not know until I looked it up in my g-chat archives. It's the story of how you told me about the most impactful idea that we have ever had. Allow me to read you the transcript of the chat that we had on September 26th, 2010. John, okay, here is my idea. I want to make a five-minute video that covers the whole French Revolution, and it is hilarious and it is fun to watch and it has lots of visual aids. No one in education even treats it like it's interesting, but I mean they made a deal in an indoor tennis court because the king was a baby and locked the door to their f-ing meeting room. It's like the single most interesting moment in world history, except for when the Prince of Nepal became a serial killer. So is that not a great idea? Me. It is a great idea. John, okay, I will do it. And that really is how Crash Course was born, except that I left something out and I lied to you a little bit. John, and I want that video to be our entire pitch to redacted and other venture capitalists. Because we were pretty sure this was something that we could do and that would have a lot of impact, but we couldn't imagine having the funding necessary to do it without the support of traditional venture capital. And I don't doubt that if Crash Course had to take that path, it could have been successful. I just think that if we'd done that, a lot of it would be behind a paywall right now. But thanks to a lot of things going right, including John, you advocating for it over and over again in the face of me having terrible other ideas, which this chat also includes some of. We have never had to take investment and honestly that has been extremely powerful for Crash Course because it's meant that we've always been focused on keeping it free. In that initial chat, John, you were talking about something that we still talk about now. We call it lowering barriers to learning. Some of those barriers are just pretending for some reason like the French Revolution isn't dramatically interesting. Like making it boring is a completely unnecessary barrier. But one of many other barriers to learning would be great educational video that costs a lot of money for teachers and students. That is a barrier that we are trying to prove is unnecessary. I'd be lying though if I said that that wasn't really challenging. Like some days I think maybe that barrier is a necessary barrier. I don't know every day how we're going to make Crash Course work. It has required a lot of weird thinking on both the how do we make money if we're not going to charge for this front and also a lot of thinking on that how do we make this as inexpensively as possible which I think is important. We need to essentialize. We need to figure out what is the most important thing for lowering those barriers and do no more than that. But in educational content there are corners that you cannot cut and there are also corners that we kind of can but we just don't want to. We want to do more. We want to do it better. We want to treat our teams and our contractors better. And so at Crash Course and at Complexly in general we've had to be really creative over the years with how we make money. With advertising and taking grant money from any organization that really understands our mission and with Subbable and then Patreon and now with a new thing that is ending today the Crash Course coin. I'm very sorry if you didn't hear about this sooner because this is the last day but there are two coins. One is $100 and one is $500 and each represents a piece of our budget that will allow us to reach either 2,000 or 10,000 students. Each one of them is being minted at a small family-owned mint in Arkansas from hand-edged dyes. And this has been so successful that there will be a different 2022 coin available next year but this is literally the last day that you can get the 2021 coins. The $500 ones are probably sold out by the time this video goes up but maybe not. This is the very first one that was minted that has 001 on it and it's going to the first person who bought a $500 Crash Course coin and you know who that person was? John, it was our mom. I thought I was going to fake cry and then I started to real cry a little bit. If you are watching this and it is not Friday, June 25th I'm sorry the Crash Course coins are no longer available but you can please still support us on Patreon. More than 10 years into this journey we are so excited to continue finding ways to lower barriers to learning. John, it was a great idea. I'll see you on Tuesday.


Oh, summer. It sounds good right now after what we just experienced, doesn't it? Grilling out lawns being mowed and pools opening. These are some of the things we expect with summer. Garden Festival, part two. Actually, I was here for opening day and I decided that when I come back out and eat and drink some things that I didn't do the first time, which would make it a little bit more fun. Anywho, let's go do this. One thing I didn't do last time in the Flower and Garden Opening Day video was actually explore all the different alcoholic beverages that they had. So that's what I'm going to try to focus on today. And I'm going to try the 81 Bay Brewing Apricot with Maple Syrup beer. That sounds pretty interesting. And here it is. I'm excited because I don't like apricot, but I'm going to see if I like this. Regardless, I will drink it. Oh boy. Oh wow, that's delicious. I actually really like it. I was a little shocked. It doesn't taste like anything like apricot. I could taste the maple more than the apricot. So it's kind of like a maple apricot beer. Huh. Honestly, very shocked at how delicious this is. It was $5 and it's, I mean, a regular like festival size beer, but it's interesting to try something different. I mean, that is different. Apricot and Maple. And one thing I also wanted to check out were these nifty shirts. My friend Wayne from the UK actually messaged me and wants one of these shirts. So I said I'll check and see if they have any in his size. And he's seen Josh wearing it. I'm a little jealous because I really like them too. The fabric's amazing. We're going to come back and see if Wayne actually wants the shirt, but I'm looking for my friend. And hopefully she's at the sister's floss of getting something good to eat. There she is. I'm here and I got, I told you I was going to get a flowery drink today. That's the one? That is one of the ones. Oh. It's a wine slushie. I like it. Instead of eating on a trash can, we found this beautiful box. It's like an epic box here. Now this is like ultimate for Epcot festivals. Look at it. How beautiful it is. We have fried, fried green tomatoes. And then... The tuna tataki bowl. The tuna tataki. Yes. And a wine slushie. Yeah. I'm going to get the wine slushie. Yeah. So this is my first time trying fried green tomatoes. What do you think they look? They look pretty delicious. They do look delicious. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't know if I'll like them. I'm going to find out. All right. Fried green tomatoes. One bite, everyone knows the rules. Oh, they're delicious. Yeah. Yeah. And now... Cheers. The wine slushie? Yes. What is this? Orange wine? Yes. I'm excited. Yes. So I have to say this is absolutely delicious. I really, really like it. It's like an orange creamsicle and I'm not a big wine drinker. It doesn't taste anything like wine. So if you don't like wine, don't be afraid to try to get this drink because it literally just tastes like deliciousness. It doesn't even taste alcoholic actually. No, it doesn't taste like alcohol. No alcohol almost. But I don't know. I'm sure there's something in it. I had to take a break from my snack time snacks to run back and get that shirt from my buddy because they actually were selling out very quickly. So we really knocked out two stands there very quickly. And now we're going to make our way a little bit more. Obviously I'm with Jackie, super enthused, and we're probably going to meet up with some other friends. Who knows? I'm just excited to be here. I am. And we're walking past what kind of show this is like a festival market. And they actually have testers for some handy tizers. Handy tizer. I like that. It's 100% natural. This one's orange lemon. Yeah. I got lavender. Oh. Let's wear ourselves. Yes. No, I don't think it's a spray. I think it's sanitizer. No, this says spritz to cool and refresh. What? I'm going to cool it off. Oh, mine's to clean my skin. I want that. Oh. Oh, that smells nice. One thing that's really important is that you get a good mixture of drinks, like a good variety. So I first started with the maple beer, and then I got the wine martini. And now we are actually in the French pavilion. And I'm thinking about getting the rose, frozen slushie. Look at that. Grey goose, orange, and then also white and red cranberry juice, 1175. So I bet you it's probably very delicious. Here it is, the rose slushie made with grey goose. Wow. This is like really fancy. So I have to say, comparing this to the wine slushie, this one is a lot colder. And the other one was more frothy. This one I like a lot though. I just don't know which one I would prefer. You know, I don't like, I mean, I do like them, but it's not like the type of drink that I would normally get. This is still very delicious. So I have to say, wow. Also, I want to point out, Remy is actually here. And now I haven't shown this before because this is my first time seeing it. But look at that. And they actually give you a whole bunch of different recipes down here. I like that. That's really awesome. Also, I want to suggest that if you do stop and get this rose slushie, it is not a walking and drinking drink actually. Look at that. Very, very dangerous. Now we're going to move along on our journey. And this is basically turning into basically drinks at Flower and Garden. And we're going to stop at the Florida Fresh Stand because they have a watermelon and cucumber slushie made with gin, which sounds pretty amazing. Right here it is, the watermelon cucumber slushie with gin. I'm very excited. I like watermelon and I kind of like cucumber, but I love gin. And take a look at that. Actually comes with a little watermelon. So what we're going to have to do is probably soak the watermelon and then eat it. That sounds like a good idea, doesn't it? Oh wow. Dip, right? So we're going to dip the watermelon into the slushie and kind of get like a spiked fruit. It sounds amazing, doesn't it? Yeah. You're spiking it. Oh, I'm holding it. Hold it in and let it absorb. Yep, take in all that gin. And then you're ready? Okay, ready. Cheers. Hold thing at once or like one at a time. Okay. So obviously just eating the watermelon dip inside the slushie was amazing, but the actual slushie itself is still delicious. It's a little bit watery because it's very hot here in Florida, but I would definitely rank this as my favorite drink so far. It beats the wine slushie at Citrus Blossom. Wow. So just to recap a little bit, we started off. We had the apricot maple beer and then we decided to get the wine slushie that tasted like an orange cream circle. Then we went to the France pavilion and we got the rose slushie, which is fantastic. And now the watermelon cucumber slushie. This is my favorite so far. Unbelievable. It's just, I don't know, something about it, like I said. It tastes so super sweet and then the cucumber just brings it down a little bit. Very, very good. I think that maybe in between all of the fancy drinks, maybe we should get something to eat. Maybe try the fried cauliflower, which is served with some capers, garlic parsley, and chili ranch sauce. I don't know about this, but... Yeah. So I'm nervous it's going to be spicy. Yes. We'll give it a go. We'll give it a go. Honestly, I'm not a big fan of, I guess, cauliflower, but that looks delicious. Doesn't it? That looks like one of the prettiest things actually I've seen so far at a festival. Yeah. That's what I was saying. The presentation is like very, very happy. Wow. With the parsley. The parsley, huh? Oh, yeah. So I'm a little worried about the sauce. I did get it with the least amount of sauce on it. Once again, I've never had fried cauliflower, so we're going to give it a go. Oh boy. And please, like I said, just because I didn't like that doesn't mean that the actual thing is not good. It's just I don't like cauliflower. It was a risk for me to try it, but I tried it anyways. I don't know what to say. I'll throw it in there. I do like cauliflower, and I did like it. Yeah. It was very spicy for me. Yes. But I also have a very low tolerance for spice. Wow. And it was like a buffalo type of a sauce. Yeah, I can feel my lips burning a little bit. And my mouth is burning right now. Better get a drink. So if you like spicy, and you like cauliflower. Last time I did the video, which was opening day, we came to the Japan Pavilion, and I actually got some frushi and the martini, which was served with an actual lavender flower inside of it. And it is edible, and I made my friend Josh eat it, and he didn't like it so much because he ate it stem first. But this time, I think I'm going to get it, and I think I'm going to eat it properly, and give it a good judgment. And there it is, the martini. I'm excited. I've already drank it, but I did not eat the flower. So first for everything. Cheers. Cheers. There it is. And maybe things changed since opening day, but they did actually take away the stems. Josh, poor Josh.  But I'm going to let it soak up a little bit. Maybe I'll push it down. There we go. There you go. Get it in there.  That's the plan. So Josh spit it out. My friend Shane just spit it out. And Jackie won't even eat it. So here we go. Oh my God. It's like a doctor's office. It tastes like a doctor's office. I'm kind of getting Jackie to commit. Oh, don't do that. Oh. It smells good, but some things are not meant to be ingested. I can still taste it. Oh yeah. After actually eating the flower, it's hard to finish the drink, but this is the strongest drink we've had so far. Honestly, like this actually, be prepared. I got to tell you, it's very strong. If you don't like strong tasting drinks, I suggest you drink it very quick. So then that way you don't taste it. Oh, nice. Cool. Okay, back to that drink. Don't drink it quick because it will shoot up your nose and it burns so bad. It actually brought a tear. It really does. And now I kind of feel like a burning sensation right here. One of my coolest little things I like to point out to people is how they actually change the town here in Germany to whatever festival that's happening. So right now it's Flower and Garden, and if you look down there, all the light posts have Flower and Garden signs on them. That is paying attention to detail. That is Disney right there. Look at all the little signs. Isn't that awesome? I really do love it. So here we are in Germany, and I'm excited to try the Potato Pancakes. Now, you guys remember I had a bad experience in SeaWorld and they're a Potato Pancake, but this one looks a little bit different. Thank you. And there it is. I'm telling you, that looks delicious to me. I don't know what the outcome is going to be like. Housemade applesauce, and look how thick. That Potato Pancake is thick. Looks alone, like I said. This has to be good. I'm so excited. It's better without the applesauce. It's amazing, but it's good. I like it. It's a lot better than SeaWorld's Potato Pancake, like I said. The flavors are starting out. Very delicious. Very fluffy. And it's actually pretty big for only $4.50. Like you get two of them with the Housemade Applesauce. I like it a lot. And here we are at the Lotus House, which is the Chinese Pavilion stand. And I think I'm going to go with beer this time. Because I need a break from the sweet stuff. So we're going to get the Jasmine beer. The Jasmine beer. That's what it's called, right Jackie? Yeah. So I'm interested to see what it is. Hopefully there's no flowers in this one. And here is the Jasmine beer. It definitely has a strange color to it. A little gray. I'm kind of confused. I don't know. But I'm sure I'll love it.  It doesn't have much of a beer taste to it. Very light. Very light, but kind of planty. I feel like I'm drinking tea and beer mixed together. That's what I said in my video too. No way.  That's amazing. It's got a tea kind of a taste. Yes, it's like tea and beer. Yeah. Wow. I did finish up my Jasmine beer. Honestly, like I said, the tea beer mixture really wasn't that great. It's not something I would get again. I'm sorry. But I did like it. It wasn't like bad. It just kind of felt like a weak beer. A very, very weak beer. So now I think it's time we actually take a little break and sit down somewhere. So we're going to go into the tequila cave here at the Mexico Pavilion. I don't know if that's taking a break, but at least we're sitting down. Other than chips and salsa or chips and queso, which I'll probably not partake in the queso. Oh, there is some salsa though. I will eat some chips. I also got a Mexican draft beer. That's what it says in the menu. But what is it called? A teca? Tecate. A tecate, which looks pretty delicious. Yeah. Jackie got a Bloody Mary beer. What is that called? Michelada. Michelada. The tecate makes like a Bloody Mary type of a drink. Very interesting. Yeah, it is interesting. While in the tequila cave, I think it's tradition that I have myself a little snack. Cheers. Cheers. The fact that you could chew it for that long is already, that's a no go for me. The Black Mirror. Sunflower cheese too. Yup. Well, I think that's going to do it for us. We're inside the tequila cave for a little bit. Just relaxing, talking, socializing, doing cool stuff at Epcot. I had an amazing time tonight, hanging out with great friends. Make sure you check out Jackie's channel. Super enthused. Seriously, I love flower and garden. Sometimes I have to debate whether or not food and wine or flower and garden is my favorite festival. Let me know in the comments below what your favorite festival is. And yeah, that's going to do it. We're heading out. See you next time. Bye.


Now, finding out what's going on in Afghanistan here on Finding Respect in the Chaos. And this is Cynthia Sinclair. She is the customary host of Finding Respect in the Chaos, so it's only appropriate that she be with us. She's also a regular contributor on America What Now and America Finding Its Way on Wednesdays and Thursdays here in Singtec. And, you know, she had set up a show for this hour, maybe later on today with a woman named Heidi Kuhn, who is an expert in appearing on national television on a regular basis to discuss the events in Afghanistan. So, Cynthia, I will use this hour or this half hour as a kind of run-up to what we can expect, not only from Heidi Kuhn, but, you know, from Afghanistan. Here we are. We're in the middle of it. I would say the middle of it. Welcome to your show, Cynthia. Well, thank you very much, Jay. I appreciate you hosting my show for me. That's very nice.   It seems, and I read an article this morning, I recommend to everybody by Heather Cox Richardson. And she writes a lot about national events and national politics. And she, you know, took a stab at trying to figure out what's going on, about what Biden said yesterday, about where it fits in the context of all the criticism he's getting from the Republicans, especially. And it seems pretty clear from the article and from my observation, I'm interested in your observation, that the decision to pull out, whether by Trump or Biden, is a correct decision. But the devil is in the detail. The devil is in how you do that. And it seems like there are a number of flaws by Trump, which Biden inherited, and by Biden, in terms of how you do this in a way that's not embarrassing or destructive or, you know, lose the American franchise to the world. And so I want to talk to you about that and ask you about that. Let me go through some of the questions that have come to my mind after reading the Heather Cox Richardson article and looking at all the news stream we are getting lately on all the channels and every single media you can think of, because this somehow affects everything. Everything, but in other ways, nothing. How relevant really is it? So the first question, Cynthia, from your observation and your reading and research and, you know, your thought process, is this the right thing? Is it the right thing to pull out of Afghanistan? Yes, I believe it is. I believe we've been there too long. I think it would have been maybe a little more successful of a retreat or a removal or withdrawal. Had Trump not done the kind of arrangements and that agreement that he made with the Taliban beforehand. And I'm still trying to figure out what it is that we got from them. We gave them 5,000 prisoners and their head guy, Ghani. And yet, what did we get? A promise? No, no, no. And we excluded the Afghan government in the process, which meant that they had, you know, less effect than they did before, which was not very great. And, you know, we also, you know, cut this very strange deal which allowed the Taliban to go and do their own diplomacy from city to town to village. And cut deals where they could bribe local officials and have the army surrender. I mean, they started doing this some time ago, and it was all about that deal with Trump, which was cockamamie. And Trump and Pompeo, in my view, lied about it.  Well, nothing. Trump was just doing it for political purposes to try to look good. But in fact, it was the Empress' new clothes. There was nothing there there. Anyway, so that's my view. But let's talk about how flawed this decision, you know, the execution of this decision has been. Would you agree that it has been flawed and in what ways? I do agree that it has been flawed. And I'd like to actually insert a quote right now from former Defense Secretary Mark Esper, who if you remember was fired in 2020 around all of this stuff because he didn't quite go along with what Trump was trying to do. And this is what he was quoted as saying in a CNN Politics article. He said on Tuesday that he was concerned that then President Donald Trump undermined the US 2020 agreement with the Taliban by pushing the US forces to leave Afghanistan without the Taliban meeting the conditions of the deal. The Trump administration's agreement for bringing peace to Afghanistan outlined a series of commitments from the US and the Taliban related to troop levels, counterterrorism and intra-Afghan dialogue aimed at bringing about a permanent and comprehensive ceasefire. But, Esper told CNN, my concern was that President Trump by continuing to want to withdraw American forces out of Afghanistan undermine the agreement, which is why in the fall when he was calling for a return of US troops by Christmas, I objected and formally wrote a letter. My concerns was, oh sorry, I lost my place for a second, sorry, he wrote a letter and what it was he was saying that we should not reduce the troops below 4500 and Trump just didn't even didn't even bother to consider it, continue to just draw down to 2000. So we are thinking that this is happening really fast, but in reality when you think about when Trump first took those out, those trumps out, he completely left all those outlying places defenseless. And so it wasn't that it all happened in five seconds after Biden started to take everybody out completely, it started happening back then, right? Each post that lost soldiers defending it became, you know, vulnerable to the Taliban coming in. So it wasn't like they came in in three days, they started months ago working their way in, like you say, bribing officials doing all that. So by the time, you know, it came down to it, of course, the Afghani soldiers are going to say, forget it, I got a family at home, it's not going to go anywhere anyway, it's not going to do me any good to fight, right? Because they're being betrayed by some of the officials. And then once, you know, the Afghan Prime Minister left, that was it. There was no support for them anymore. America was gone, the Afghan government was gone, you cannot hold it against them. And I had a hard time with listening to Biden in his speech say that it's on them because they wouldn't fight. You know, that's not really fair. And I know I've heard a lot of veterans coming on and saying that, you know, those guys, they lost 6,000 of their people during this time. Or more, sorry, more, I think, we lost 6,000 people. They lost lots and lots of people, they were brave, they fought to, you know, to the bitter end. And the end unfortunately happened to be when America left, not the bitter end of saving their country, but that bitter end. Without that, this is what I keep seeing. What Trump did to the Kurds, okay, it's kind of like the same thing that he set up the Afghanis to have happen to them. He gave, you know, the Turkey free reign to come on in, and now he has given to Taliban free reign to come on in. It's like this pattern that I see, lots of people are making the pattern of Saigon and all this other stuff. And I think let's just look at the pattern of Trump and see how that affected this withdrawal. And I think that Biden was very good to not really point the finger at Trump, Trump, Trump, you know, he took the blame on himself when in reality he knows that he was sort of pigeonholed as to what he could do because of what Trump had already done. And a lot of, you know, people are coming out of the same not also. And I think that's important to listen to. Yeah, Trump, Trump set all of this up and Trump didn't give a rip about Syria. And he didn't give a rip about Afghanistan. He wasn't going to protect the people or the government or any of the institutions or structures there. He was just going to take the steps that made him look good. So that's my next point right there is that who benefits from Biden looking like he blew it? Who benefits most from that? The Republicans, sure, but Trump, right? Let's go systematically those, Cynthia. So they say, they've been saying ever since Biden spoke yesterday, that this is a flawed execution. What thoughts about that? How much of it is on Trump and Biden? You've talked about Trump, but what about Biden? What about the army? What about the intelligence services? And how, what kind of flaws did we reveal, did we suffer under in dealing with this withdrawal? Well, bottom line is the intelligence agencies gave Biden the information that it was going to go fast, that the fall was going to happen quick. And he made a bad decision in my mind to go with this whole, well, we didn't want to create a loss of confidence in the government. We didn't want to create a panic and all this other stuff, which is just, I hate to say it, typical democratic, manly, panmy kind of thinking, because it's just Biden based really in reality, because the reality is his intelligence agencies were telling him it was going to happen quick, get prepared. There's veterans agencies that have been coming out and talking a lot about how they've been warming about it. They've been trying to send Biden letter after letter after letter, please meet with us. We know from boots on the ground, we know what's happening and they didn't ever get back to him. I don't know, they're too busy trying to do the infrastructure package. I don't know. I'm not quite sure why he tried to do so many big things all at one time. I think he would have been better off to split all that up and try to do it a little slower. If he knew he was going to leave Afghanistan at this point, then he shouldn't have been wasting all that time on the infrastructure. He should have been focused, just major focused on Afghanistan. Then when that's done, okay, now let's work on Afghanistan. They like to talk about doing, we can handle more than one thing at a time. Well, yeah, but not when they're this devastatingly huge, at least that's my opinion. What about the military, the Joint Chiefs of Staff who have all kinds of on the ground information, intelligence, maybe separate from the intelligence agencies, did they do a good job or was their approach flawed? I believe their approach was flawed in the sense of they didn't make a bigger stink about the deal Trump was making and the way he was pulling people out. We don't know for sure that they didn't make a stink about it. As per did, he got fired because of it. In Trump setting things up this way, and we got to remember he's all about saying how much he likes the bad guys. He likes the dictators, he cozies up to all of them. That's kind of what the Taliban is. It stands to reason that those are his people. All of his talk about for peace and I don't believe any of that. I think it was just a smoke stream to make us not really see what was happening on the ground. Well, that's reminiscent of Vietnam, isn't it? In Vietnam, they didn't tell us how dire the situation was. Maybe because they didn't actually know how dire the situation was or alternatively because whatever the truth was, they weren't going to tell us. I suggest, and I like your view of it, is that some similar process was happening here. Well, yes. Like I said, all of the intelligence agencies gave him this information. The current time. Well, that suggests that the Joint Chiefs knew about it. The Joint Chiefs knew about it. We got to remember that a lot of the military, the head people in the military were put there by who? Trump. They're not Biden's people. They're Trump's people. Okay, but in the short stroke, what we have is you announce to the world that we are leaving by a certain day. You actually put a mark on the calendar and then you pull out most of your troops leaving only really a handful and you don't try to set up a post-departure plan really of any kind, either diplomatically or militarily or intelligence wise. You don't protect the airport, which is the only way to get our diplomatic corps out. Of course, the Afghan interpreters out. You don't protect a road from Kabul where they all were congregating because they couldn't be in the hinterland anymore. They'd been chased out of the hinterland. Everybody's in Kabul. There's a road from Kabul to the airport and it wasn't protected. The airport itself was a wasteland. I mean, there was nothing there to protect it. What kind of plan is that? Can you blame Trump for that or is that on Biden? Or is that on the Chiefs of Staff? Well, I think it's not going to be like we can blame one person and say it's all their fault. Just like I can't say it's all Trump's fault or it's all Biden's fault or the Chiefs of Staff or the Intelligence Agency. It's sort of got to be a combination thing. The bottom line is, and I like that President Biden said that, I'm going to buck stops with me. I'm not going to make excuses. He made a decision. As it was, though, we got to think about this. When Trump arranged all of this, they were supposed to be all out of the country. All the troops were supposed to be out of the country by May 1. That's only three months after Biden took office. He's scrambling around trying to just get an extension so he can put together some sort of plan. Because just like they had no plan on how to roll out the vaccines, they also had no plan. Or if they did, they didn't give it to Biden. Even though you see Secretary Pompeo standing up there right next to Donnie in the same picture with the guy. That to me is sort of all of it. I'm going to lose track of where I was there for a minute because I want to focus on this. 5,000 prisoners. We worked for 20 years over there. Working hard to route out the Taliban, arrest them, imprison them, get them out of the country and out of the way where they could no longer terrorize people. 5,000 of them imprisoned. Let them all go. Now they're fighting against the Afghans. Now they're out running around town with their AR-15s. That to me, and then let this Donnie guy out too. Who is one of their leaders? Who is now one of their main leaders going forward? How can that not fall on Trump's lap? So, you know, I don't... Okay. Well, recognizing the difficulties and the lack of a plan and the legacy that Trump left, the impossible legacy that Trump left for Biden, whether Biden wants to rely on that, you know, complain about it or not. But here we are. Okay. And we left. And now we're putting 6,000 troops back in. Okay. That is kind of an admission of failure, isn't it? And by the way, I don't think the 6,000 troops are there yet or logistical issues about delivering them to Afghanistan and to the airport. They were already stationed around in the area so that they would be brought back in if they needed to be. They did try to plan for that contingency. You know, where I was going for a minute with that was that May 3rd, I mean, that May 1st deadline that Trump had set, when he got there, Biden extended it with some kind of agreement with the Taliban to August. That's how we got this extra three months as it wanted them in that ceasefire. Right? I thought it was September 11th as an iconic date. Was it not August 1st? It was August 31st. At the end, it ultimately wound up to be August 31st. But then I think what happened is that Biden changed that to this past weekend. And of course the Taliban heard and say that and they made their moods. I always wonder, back in the day of the First Gulf War, there was a CNN reporter by the name of Deborah Wang. I don't know if you remember her. She was a really good reporter and she was there at their intelligence briefings. But they would exclude her from things like deadlines. They would exclude her from the military plans they were formulating. And so the reports we were getting were valuable and interesting, but they didn't have the detail. For reasons that are not clear to me, these days we seem to give the American people and the world, including our adversaries, the detail of our plan, which allows them to plan. It's like telling the eye on the other side of the chess board what your next move is, which is, you know, it's not a recipe to win. But let me ask you this, though. So now soon enough, if not already today, which is Wednesday in Afghanistan, there will be 6,000 troops there. And presumably they'll be guarding the airport on the road and helping anyone left from the embassy to get out of the country. And hopefully they'll be doing security at the airport. So thousands of Afghanis won't be grabbing on the landing gear of our transport planes. But how long can they stay, Cynthia? And what happens at home when they stay maybe longer than people expected? When the diplomatic corps is gone and the only people left who we might care about are the interpreters, and they're still there. And the troops are still there. How long can that set of circumstances continue before we get additional criticism? And possibly, you know, another attack on them by a huge Taliban force. How much time do we have before we have to really cut and run? Not much. Not much time at all. And if you ask me the minute we leave, we should bomb every single base that we love. Easy there, girl. Easy. I think about the women and the children.  The women who they knew what was coming went out and bought burkas so they would be prepared. And if you look at the streets of Kabul, there's not a woman in sight till you get to the capital. And just today, there was a small contingency of women that were holding signs we want our freedoms. Boy, I wouldn't want to be one of them. Boy, they're all dead. Well, you know, you wonder about that because the Taliban are trying to, or at least it seems like to a certain degree, they're trying to be, at least appear to be civilized. They want to be, they want to have a place at the table in the family of nations. Maybe I don't know. They, there seems like the leadership is emerging to some extent. And I think they, you know, they could have taken over the airport yesterday and they didn't. And they could be fighting with the troops or American troops who were there to evacuate people. And they really aren't. Not yet. Not that we know. And so it could be that they're holding back. And I guess the question I put to you is how, how long will they hold back? How long will the American public opinion allow President Biden to leave our troops there? And how long will the Taliban hold back before they attack whoever is there? Any thoughts on that? Well, right now they have stated, and while we've been on this show right now, I noticed out of the corner of my eye that the Taliban were giving their first press conference today. So I don't know what they've said, but I know a little bit of what I've heard and that is that they have said they will not stop people from getting to the airport if they have the paperwork, they have the proper paperwork, then they can go to, they will not stop them from going to the airport. So I know what does that mean for an interpreter? They better have the right paperwork. That's what it means. It means they better have the right paperwork issuing the paperwork. Well, the government, right? Just USAID and and what is it SID and we'll see what happens. It's going to be a big question exactly who gets through that. But what's interesting from what you say is that, yeah, okay, who's going to be checking the paperwork to Taliban. And if they say no, what are you going to do about it? So I, you know, really the thing is now in place in transition, they have to show maybe the press conference is a good thing in terms of them responding to international interest on what they're doing. I think if I were a woman or girl, I'd be terrified. If I were a former member of the government, I'd be terrified. And if I were an interpreter, I'd be terrified. And that's lots of people, maybe tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people, which we may or may not be interested in bringing back. And that that goes to the last point in our discussion here. I know you wanted to talk about that. And I call this part of our discussion criticism and hypocrisy. We do have other issues in this country. And this all happens in the context of those issues. And the, you know, the political dynamics that are playing out following Trump. What is happening? And what are your thoughts about both the process, the issues, and of course, the hypocrisy, hypocrisy. Well, some of the process is that, you know, didn't Congress just approve a whole bunch of money, like a billion dollars or more, to go ahead and get these Afghani translators out of the country?  What happened to that? Well, I mean, maybe they're using it now. I don't know. I'm not sure about that. I'm not sure it was ever passed. Oh, okay. I thought I don't know. I'm not sure either. I know that the hypocrisy of the Republicans is just making me a little sick to hear them just point all the fingers at Biden and not even for one minute, try to put some of this responsibility on Trump where it belongs. As a matter of fact, they are praising Trump.  They're saying, and I, and that's in a nutshell, about four or five different interviews that I sort of have put down for my own, in my own words, right? But at any rate, that's basically what they're saying. And it's that part has just really got me. So one of the things that I think is important to realize here, and one of the things that is maybe a motivator for the Taliban and why they're being so measured and reserved. And it would be because of the fact that when, 20 years ago, when we got there to Afghanistan, it was a race plan. It was nothing. Soviets had burned everything and wrecked everything. And then during the battles, they had put in all these landmines. So there was no farming anymore. There was nothing really. Everybody was in, it was the poorest of poor going on. So now after 20 years, there's all these businesses, there's all this stuff. They've upgraded some of that, especially some of the housing in Kabul and some of the other outline areas, the bigger places. So it used to be that their only main source of income was their heroin trade, right? Well, now they're going to be in charge of a country that actually has an economy now. And so they don't want to ruin that, right? They don't want to do something that's going to wreck that. And I know that we're almost out of time. So I'd like to just really quickly put a little preview of a show that's going to happen later on that was supposed to happen earlier today or right now during this show. There's a woman named Heidi Kuhn, and this is her book called Breaking Ground. She has been removing landmines and replacing them with crops all around the world in about 30 different countries. For the last 20 years, she's been in Afghanistan since 2001. She has turned it from a landmine-ridden country to removing the landmines and replacing it with grapes and coffee. And I can't remember some of the other pepper, I think peppers in Vietnam. But at any rate, she has turned her small piece there into, and agriculture is 80% of their economy. She has turned it into, she's now overseeing $100 million worth of export for the grapes and the dried fruits and things and the nuts that they're sending out everywhere. And when they couldn't get meetings or people to come into the country, really still afraid to come into the country to trade, she arranged for them to go to them and, you know, establish these trade partners. And it has been a very successful non-profit for her, profit for the Afghan people. And she has done tremendous work. And right now she is in the midst of trying to get 340 of her partners and employees out of Afghanistan right now. She has been just madly signing visa things for them to be able to come so that they will have the paperwork to get out. So I'm hoping she will be on with me today at five, if not, look for us tomorrow at nine, okay? And her name is Heidi Kuhn and her book is Breaking Ground. And I recommend it to everyone. You can get it on Amazon and you can go to her website, which is rootsofpeace.org. And they are in dire need of donations at this time to try to make sure they can fund all of this evacuation. Very interesting story. I'm sure there are thousands stories like that. And the net effect is that Roots of Peace in Afghanistan is probably over. So many other improvements that were made while the U.S. was there are probably over, right? We can't forget that. We can say, well, we weren't so good at nation building and so forth. But we did, in a way, build a nation. We did, in a way, change things permanently in Afghanistan. And this is all the more tragic because of what's happening now this week. Thank you very much, Cynthia. Really appreciate your thoughts and your ardor on the subject. We'll talk about it again. Aloha. Thank you, Jay. Thanks for coming on and being the host of my show.


Jimmy K here, Metal Voice. Look at this. The Metal Voice shirts are now on sale. Just go to the video description to find out on how you can purchase one. Metal! Welcome to the Metal Voice. And Perrin is my co-host today. And who do we got here, Perrin? We got probably one of the best keyboardists of our generation, the one, the only Derek Sherinian. What's going on, Derek? How are you doing, guys? Thank you for having me on. Yep. I mean, exciting news. New Solom, the Phoenix on Inside Out Music. The release date is Friday, September 18th. And the last Solom was what? Nine, eight, nine years ago, Derek? Yeah. I took a little time off. And then in 2016, I formed Sons of Apollo with Mike Portnoy. So most of my riffs and musical or creativity was going towards that. And I just felt a real urge last year to start doing a solo record. So I went and got a new deal and called up Simon Phillips. And we got to work about 18 months ago. We started writing the Phoenix. And here we are. It's coming out in a couple weeks. And we're very happy with the result. And we're getting amazing worldwide response for the Phoenix so far. Why don't you tell us a bit about the record? I was just saying kind of offline that Inside Out, your record label, was nice enough to give us some advanced files yesterday. And you know, we get a few of these. And I have to say, this is like the most interesting thing that I've listened to in the last little while. I really felt it was a really diverse record.   Basically, the Phoenix is a snapshot of my life for the last 18 months. And you know, I go through different moods and styles. And that usually comes out in the writing. And I think that there's a lot of variance in the songwriting, as you said, on this record. But what's really cool is that it's a cohesive recording in that Simon and I are the common denominator. So we're the thread that goes through it. But we picked the right bass players and guitar players according to the compositions. And I think that's part of the artistry is being like a casting director and choosing the perfect player to convey the musical idea the best in the song. And I think we nailed it all throughout this record. You got Zach Wow, you got Billy Sheehan, you have Steve Vai. So how is it?   Steve would be perfect for this song. Or maybe you're working on material over the years together. How did you put all the pieces together with these names? Like, what is Steve Vai to you? And what is, what goes through your brain when you're saying, I need Steve Vai on this song? Well, the one song that Steve plays on is called Clouds of Ganymede. And I wrote that all myself. And it's very influenced by UK, Alan Holdsworth. And today Steve Vai is the guy that plays that legato style for the melodies that I wrote. You know, he was the only voice that I heard for it. You know, if Alan Holdsworth was alive, I'd have him play it, but Vai is the next thing. And I developed a relationship. I've known him a long time, like the last 20 years. But in 2017, he invited me to tour on the Generation X Asia tour where I was the keyboard player for He, Zack, Ingve, Nuno, and Tosin Abasi. And so Steve and I became closer during that. And when I told him that I was doing a solo record and invited him to play, he gladly accepted. And I think he did a great job. I'm really happy to have Steve Vai on one of my records. Derek, since we're, you know, we're a bit of a metal show, and Judas Priest is a favorite on the metal voice, you have Simon Phillips on the record. And Simon Phillips seems to be your constant through the record. And I think he's been a constant through a lot of your records. Yeah. So what is it about working with Simon that it's just, you know, whereas for other instruments you want to have, you know, gases coming in and out. But why is Simon the go-to drummer for you? He, just to me, is the best. He's earned, he's my favorite drummer out there. And he has been for the last 40 years. The first time I heard Simon was in 1980. Two of the records that I used to play all the time was Jeff Beck there in back and also MSG one. And Simon was the drummer on both of those records. And they came out about two months apart. And what struck me was how great the drum sounded, but I was blown away that it was the same guy on both records. And that he had such an identifiable style on the drums. And that had a huge impact on me as much as when I heard Eddie Van Halen in 1978 about having a signature style on your instrument and being able to play in different styles yet no matter what style you play, your personality is so strong on your instrument that people can identify you. And that's basically if you look at my career, the last 30 years I've gone from everyone from Dream Theater to Alice Cooper to Joe Bonamassa to Billy Idol to Inge all completely different styles, but the very best at what they do. And I'm able to navigate effortlessly through all of those genres yet still sound like Derek Chirinian wherever I go. All right. So Passadelo, Passadelo, how do you pronounce that? Passadelo. Which is a nightmare in Portuguese. All right. So is this a flamenco Brazilian flamenco? What is that? What's that style that's going on there? I guess it's a Brazilian flamenco. I don't know that flamenco is, I think that's more Spanish, but maybe it's a flamenco with a Brazilian twist. I guess. Nevertheless, Kiko is amazing. I've known him a long time, but this is our first collaboration and he, we wrote this song together. He came over to the studio a couple of days and we, we put this together and I love it. I think it is a great way to close the record. It's probably the heaviest thing on my record. And, and I really love the flamenco bit in the middle. And it's a nice change of pace and it's unexpected. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know it's it was definitely like the most metallic song on the record. And I think it was a really good, you know, good exclamation point on the record and, you know, Kiko being a mega death now and having been in Angra is definitely kind of like, you know, again, someone who's really on the radar of everybody in the middle. Yeah. And he's fantastic. And what a great fan base he has. He really has a whole country behind him. And I'm really hoping a lot of his fans become my fans after hearing this song. And I'm really looking forward to it. I'm really looking forward to it. I'm really looking forward to it. I'm really looking forward to this album that you wanted that you didn't get. Yes. Steve. Well, always, you know, but I didn't approach him, but Steve Luke, a third I invited and he would love to have played, but he's just super busy this, this time, but he assured me the next record he'll play. And, and that's pretty much it. Everyone else. We figured it out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a track and period and sky that I, I felt was kind of, you know, maybe if you were showing nods to your predecessors, you know, to the John lords, to maybe the Rick waitman's, the Keith Emerson's, that's the track. You know, in my notes, I put it was like a prog lover's delights is what I wrote for. Imperious. Yeah. There's some Prague in there. It's kind of hard rock. And there's also a return to forever jazz fusion. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a little bit of everything in it. I like the temple of Helios. Where is that? Yeah, cool. I think the Helios, I think was the island that the, the bird, the Phoenix was killed that. Oh, okay. I think I looked that up. And when I was looking for song titles, I was looking for a, for titles that would be related to the Phoenix. And I found that. So I actually know what that is. Derek, you know, not too long ago, you know, when I was at the last live show I was at, Jimmy and I got to see you of sons of Apollo here in Montreal.  The tour, the show here in Montreal was sold out and crowd was going nuts for you guys. And I had heard that all of the dates in the tour were going really well. And then you guys went to Europe and it seems the record was doing really well. And then you guys came to a halt. So, you know, what's going to happen in the new year in terms of starting up the machine and you want to support your solo record, but there's probably still some miles left in, in sons and their last record, 2020, or is there more sons of Apollo on the way?  Yeah. Well, first and foremost, we have sons of Apollo dates rescheduled for May, 2021 for Europe. And then we also have South American dates in April. So fingers crossed that we're able to honor these dates and go play and get back to normal. It really does feel like there's unfinished business for the 2020 record. I mean, we only played three weeks worth of shows. The show here was great and really great. You guys had a great reception. Thank you. And it's fresh. Thank you. And as you said, you know, there was a nice buzz and the momentum was building. Business was up. Across the board.  The band is great. I mean, you see the bands like the Power Rangers up there. Every guy has his own, his own deal happening. And so, um, yeah, it just sucked that we had to cut it short when we did. And a lot of this downtime with so many bands that we're talking to now, you know, they're going, you know what? I mean, we're going to record another album and just keep it in the can or another album. I know there's just so many bands with so much free time because of COVID-19 has sons of Apollo started sort of bouncing ideas around for the next album. Well, I mean, I, I write every day and Ron writes every day and all I know is I just keep stockpiling ideas. And then I decide later, whether I'm going to put it for a solo record or sons of Apollo, it always kind of works itself out. So right now I'm just really, now that the Phoenix is done and I'm just doing press, I'm just really practicing on my instrument and trying to stretch my hands and new directions and stockpile new ideas. And I find that when I go into my studio with the mentality of practicing and, and experimenting rather than writing, there's less pressure and more creativity flows out of it. And so I'll just let the, the tape player role. And I'll just play and let my hands go. And then I'll go back and listen later and see if I can find any nuggets out of it, you know, it was so cool.  I mean, I've personally, in 1990, I saw you on the trash tour of Alice Cooper. I remember seeing you as part of Dream Theater on that tour of Deep Purple and Emerson Lake and Palmer. When I lived in San Francisco, I saw you play at the Warfield of Billy Idol. Wow. And we saw a son. He's been following you all around. Yeah, well it's amazing. I'm a music lover and I've seen you play in so many different bands, and that's why I'm glad to be here today. Oh, that's amazing. What have you learned from just, you know, playing with this who's who? Like, are there, are there any, you know, stories or moments you take away, whether it's from Alice, or whether it's, you know, being on tour of Dream Theater Deep Purple ELP or from Billy?  Yeah, absolutely. You take the good and I mean, all of the people that you mentioned are at the top of their game for a reason and there's greatness there. And so when I'm playing with these people, no matter who they are, I just try to absorb as much as I can and learn and try how can this apply to what I'm doing. And then I also conversely will see the mistakes made business-wise or creatively or whatever, you know, and so I take it all in and, you know, over 30 years of doing this stuff, you find that there's always going to be issues that you're dealing with, but you just get a little bit smoother at it as time goes. And you want to get to a point where you're self-sufficient enough that you can generate your own business without having to worry about touring or playing in a band. Like, it's been very difficult since all the tours were canceled and a lot of musicians are going, how in the hell am I going to make a living during this? I can't go play shows, what am I going to do? And I've been very fortunate because I've always have done keyboard sessions on the side for unknown artists and famous artists. Like, for instance, I just played on Michael Shanker's new 50th anniversary record a couple of weeks ago, and then I played on a couple of White Snake albums for David Coverdale last year, which are now appearing on all of the rock album and then there's going to be a ballad album and a blues album. I'm on all of that. And so I do a lot of keyboard sessions for famous artists and up-and-coming and new artists, guitar solo artists and bands as well all over the world. People are hiring me to play on their records and it's great. What's been a little side business all these years has turned into full on business. So I'm doing that and simultaneously finishing my solo record, working with Simon and doing other sessions and promoting the Phoenix doing press like this. So every day is action packed. But yeah, the session business has been amazing and I've been really getting to hear and play on a lot of great up-and-coming new artists from all over the world. And it's very gratifying for me to contribute to their sound and see how happy they are afterwards. And then they release it with me, special guest Derek Sharini and they're getting new fans that they normally wouldn't have had because a lot of my fans want to be completists and have copies of everything that I play on. So it's all good, man. I love it. So Michael Schenker, I saw the press release a few weeks back or maybe a month ago. What type of song is it that you're guesting on? Is it a rerecording of a classic or a brand new track? It's a brand new song. I'm not sure who the singer was on it, but Brian Tishy's on drums and it sounded great. I mean, it sounds like a classic Michael Schenker song. But what really turned out, which I'm really happy about is he wanted me to play solos and he gave me like two different solo spots to play. So I did my thing and he was so happy with how it turned out that his manager or lawyer, whoever it was, wrote me back saying how happy Michael was and he wants to do more stuff in the future. And then they're saying, well, how much do we owe you? And I said, listen, I don't want to be paid to play with the great Michael Schenker. It's my honor. And I said, if he wants to return the favor and play on my next solo record, that would be awesome. And so they immediately wrote back saying, Michael would love to do it. Just send us the track. So me being me, I immediately wrote like the killer ultimate Michael Schenker track, which is like, like a new into the arena 40 years later. But I had Simon Phillips play drums on it and Tony Franklin's already recorded the bass. And so I've sent it off to Germany. And so I'm waiting for Michael to lay his tracks. And this will be for my next solo record. So it'll just be sitting in the can. Wait a second. So this is the new, new solo record. Yeah. This is number nine that hasn't been released yet that I'm writing right now. You don't know about, like, if there's a second wave, there will be another Derek Schoering solo. Yeah. I'm utilizing a third actually. If I can't tour, I'm in the studio. Good on you for not, you know, I guess when Michael Schenker says, sure, I'd like to play on your record. You kind of jump on that. You write an album. Yeah. Well, yeah, I wanted to take advantage of it while it was fresh on his mind. All right. So someone, a band like this, what do you, what do you learn backstage from kiss? Oh, yeah. You were the keyboardist. Was it, um, uh, what tour was it? It was revenge. That's it. That's it. That's it. You're backstage with them. What have you learned from them? The do's and the don'ts. Like you said, I mean, this is like a huge organization here. It's huge, you know, and it was a great experience watching how Jean and Paul ran their business and the crew and, and just the whole mechanisms of a huge, rock band like that going on tour. There's a lot of moving parts and there's a lot to learn. And so I kept my eyes open and knew that one day I'd have my own band like sons of Apollo and all the things that I learned from touring with Alice Cooper kiss and Billy Idol. I'm learning on their dime. And so I can apply it all to my deal later on. Yeah. Any, any stories about like, you know, I, I've seen you in kind of, uh, you know, more of some metal settings, but Billy Idol is not quite, you know, metal or he's rock. What was it like? Billy and he worked with Billy for quite a while, I believe. Yeah. 12 years, uh, for like pretty much every summer. Most of the summers I go out and play. It was great. He was a very cool boss and it was restricting for me, plain wise, just going out there and playing the hits. Yeah. It's straightforward. I would say. It's pretty straightforward. I guess that material. Yeah. All night and, and it's all based around, you know, backing Billy up and Steve Stevens, who is fantastic and has played on a couple of my solo records as well. Um, yeah, Billy was cool, but it's a pop scene and, you know, it's for, for someone like me, it gets old fast. And after 12 years, I was just, I was done. All right. So here's the last question. I was at Kathy Rhodes's winery in Burbank. I did a, I did a piece with her there. I mean, I've met, I've went to Masonia, I did a piece there and they, they just mentioned your name out of the blue. They go, Derek, sure. And he is always around here.  Uh, or was he influenced you? He was a very huge influence. Like when I was 15 or 16, when the Blizzard of Oz record came out, I immediately gravitated to Randy Rhodes. At the time I was only listening to Eddie Van Halen. And then all of a sudden Randy came up and was like, Oh, what, there's someone new. That's really, you know, cool. And I got into his playing really deep. And I related to him because I could hear the classical influence. And at the time I was studying Bach piano and like, I saw the relationship. Yeah. And the benefits of learning classical because Randy was doing it. And he applied it to rock. And when he died, it was, it was very devastating for me at the time. I remember I was a junior. In high school.  And it was, it was very sad because he was a hero to me. And it was just so sudden, all of a sudden it was, it was gone. And so I've always been a huge Randy Rhodes fan. There's a big, there's a lot of Randy DNA in my keyboard style and the solos. At times it really comes out for sure. But over the years, I've developed a friendship with the Rhodes, the siblings, Kelly and Kathy.  And I've played at the Randy birthday celebrations, Diary of a Mad Man with a string section. I did a or an orchestration for strings. Yeah, it's on YouTube if you search, but it's for Diary of a Mad Man. And, uh, no, it's really great. Randy Rhodes was awesome. I did, I did a report on rent on Kathy and Kelly. And me, Sonia, you check that out. It's got a lot of hits. It's, it was a great piece that I did. I just basically went into the whole family, but it was not only about Randy was about the Rhodes family. So yeah, great people, great folk. Oh yeah. Fantastic. Do you have any last questions? Yeah. Well, just Derek, maybe you just last word about the Phoenix. What would you want the metal voice fans to know about the Phoenix? The Phoenix is the guitar. Not only is it the keyboard record every year. That's a given. The record is the guitar record of the year. And the best guitar talent in the world is on this record for blues. I got Joe Bonamassa. No one plays blues better than Joe right now. I have Zach on guitar for the metal. I have Vi. And then Bumblefoot is the, the sickest shredder out there right now. It's just absolutely playing stuff that no one can even touch. He's playing double neck, a fretless guitar. And he's just getting sounds that others aren't even coming close to. And Kiko is, is fantastic. And then I have all the great bass players, Billy Sheehan, Tony Franklin, and then Simon Phillips on drums. It doesn't get any better than that. So if you're into great instrumental music, great production, you have to get the Phoenix. There it is. Derek Shurnian, the Phoenix, Inside Out Music, release date September 18th, 2020 available on all platforms, I assume. Yes. All worldwide. All platforms. And proclaimed the greatest album of 2020 right here and now. Thank you. Is this self-proclaimed? Self-proclaimed or did you proclaim it? I proclaimed it and so did you. So it's a mutual proclamation. And I love it. Mutual proclamation. All right. Derek, thanks for your time. Have a great day. Be safe. All right. Thank you, Derek. Take care. Bye-bye.


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