Welcome to Healthy Planet, the show for people who care about their health and the health of our planet on the ThinkTech Live Streaming Network series. I'm your host, Dr. Grace O'Neill. Joining me today is Kathy Louise Brota, yoga teacher and owner of Yoga Studio Purple Yoga Hawaii. Today we're going to talk about finding your core. So let's get into it. How can finding your core help you with back pain, Kathy? One of the main things when people have back pain is they discover that they don't have strong abdominals. So part of finding our core is it's our abdominal, the layers of abdominal wall, kind of the inside middle and outside layers. So there's three layers of abdominals, but it's also finding pelvic floor muscles. So the two in yoga, when we do our pelvic floor muscles and then abdominal muscles, these areas we call mulabanda, which is our root lock or our kegels or pelvic floor muscles. And then we have our uriana, which is our abdominal lock or abdominal engagement. Those two things coming together pull towards your spine, and that helps to stabilize your sacrum, your lower back. So most people when they are coming to yoga, if they have any kind of lower back pain, I'm always talking about thinking navel to spine. If we can look at the diagram that we have, we can kind of see what's going on with abdominals. So on the diagram you'll see the front we have, you'll see the words navel to spine. So literally thinking if you pull your navel back towards your spine, that's just the beginning of finding your core. And then for the pelvic floor kegels, muscles, we have the front, which is the urethra middle, which is the perineum, and back muscles, which are the anus. And literally thinking from your pubic bone to your tailbone of literally thinking of everything lifting up. So finding that navel back to spine and then pelvic floor lifting, that helps to find that kind of ball of energy on the inside of your tummy, which again stabilizes the sacrum and the lower back. So if someone is not using their pelvic floor muscles and their mula bunda, is it more likely that they'll be injured? Is it very likely they'll be injured? Like can people just go around not using them and not get injured because they're flexible? Yes, I think that generally in yoga it's like if you're flexible, you can practice without doing bundas. But what happens is that if you overdo something or you go too deeply into a posture and then maybe you're pushing yourself into it, and if you're not supporting the back, you'll get sometimes a little twinge where the sacroiliac joint meets. It's like a V-shaped where your spine kind of drops into your lower back and you've got this the sacroiliac joint. And so sometimes there's little tiny movements in the joint.  That usually means that you've gone a little bit too far. And then what happens is that over time, if you keep going into that without using your abdominal, your cables, muscles, then it just gets more and more angry. And then that's why some people will come into yoga and they'll leave and their lower back hurts and you're like, oh, yoga's not very good because my back hurts. And if that's the case, I always talk about it's like, well, we need to find that core. And for a beginner person, generally I'm just saying let's just think navel to spine because for a lot of people, they don't understand the pelvic floor muscles. And it can be, some people can think, well, why do I need to do that? So usually I'll just say just think navel to spine and then they understand it's that health and safety, like bend your knees, use your core. We hear all these things every day. And then it's actually putting it into practice in either in a yoga class or just day that they live in getting in and out of the car, lifting up grocery bags, really anything that we do, finding your core will really help with the lower back. So if you already have lower back problems, is this something that people can incorporate into their daily life already? Yes. Yes. Yeah. And I think that simply thinking, thinking kind of tall and long in the waist, thinking that navel to spine, that's kind of the beginning of finding some relief. It's kind of ironically that sometimes lower back pain is because the body is in kind of a hunched over position, either you're sitting like you're sitting at your computer really rounded, or sometimes when I sit in my car, I can feel the bucket seat nature of the car seat. Yeah.  Because if you're in that rounded kind of C curve position, what can tend to happen is that the lower back will start to ache. Yeah. So that would be a good time to actually pull in your moolabunda and your yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  Yeah. I mean, I find that sometimes during the, you know, I take my daughter to school in the morning, some mornings and we take one daughter early and then I come home and I take my other daughter and then by the second car ride home, I'm like my back already hurts and I've probably just been sitting in the kind of slinched over driving and I'm not sitting up tall. So the more tall you feel internally, the more your abdominal muscles will connect to your spine. But then there's also the psoas muscle, but that's a whole other set of muscles that kind of hard to describe. And if you just think navel to spine, sit up tall, get something to support your back, that should help to begin to relieve the lower back. Yeah. How about you, why don't you show us the video right now and show us how people can incorporate the moolabunda and how it sort of works? So in this video, I'm in a forward bend and you can see my tummy is really kind of falling down. So this would be an example of a very big belly breath and I'm not engaging my core at all. I'm really just, I'm pulling with my arms, but I'm really just letting everything hang out. So there's that kind of hanging out and I'll come up to stand. You can see it's just kind of falling. The second version, I'm going in and I'm thinking breathe into my ribcaging so you can see all of a sudden the tummy kind of sucks up and in. So now I'm using my core so I can pull a little bit more and I know that I'm going to be safe if I am pulling into a forward bend. And it's kind of counterintuitive, but when I inhale, I can feel my navel like right here.  I'm supporting my lower back and then I stand up. So there's just another thing that can be helpful as well as being able to spine is like how do I breathe? And I always tell people it's like breathing into the ribcage that if you breathe a belly breath is a very low breath kind of down in your tummy. If you're pulling your navel to your spine and you breathe into your ribcage, the ribcage expansion helps to actually lift the pelvic floor and helps to lift the abdominals as well. So if you just think of it as like a pressure that if I open up my ribcage at the top, then naturally there's this pull up from the bottom. So it's almost like you didn't have to think about it. Just think I'm going to expand my ribcage and you get that natural kind of suction on the inside of the body where the pelvic floor lifts. So there's kind of two things, but we're not used to breathing into our ribcage. A lot of people don't breathe into the ribcage. A lot of people breathe just into this part of their chest. So then it's just simply doing something like holding your ribs and then take a deep breath into your fingers. I talk about breathing into the back, kind of breathing into your kidneys. You can't really breathe into your kidneys, but you can think about breathing into the back of the body and that helps a lot. So kind of connecting the breath, the inhalation with that expansion of the upper part of the body and then the exhalation of really pulling the navel back in towards the spine. Yeah. So how about the mulabanda specifically?  I guess you didn't explain it to them, but you know, there's the uriana and then there's mulabanda. So we've been talking about the uriana. Uriana, yeah. Yeah, they need all to the spine, but how about the mulabanda and how can that work? So mulabanda, mulabanda, if we can quick look at the diagram again and then we can see what's going on with the diagram. So you can see, okay, mulabanda, if you, everybody knows, you kind of, everybody kind of knows where the pubic bone is just below the navel. It's where the hip bones connect. And then the tailbone is the base of your spine. So between your pubic bone and your tailbone, we have a whole set of muscles. They're all interconnected and you can't disconnect them. So if you're doing one thing, other things are probably going along for the ride. So if you think about it, like, and I kind of joked recently a couple, a couple years ago, and I taught this workshop, I said, everybody's doing the mulabanda, the kegels right now. If we weren't doing them, it would be a complete mess. So basically you can, everybody can hold everything in without even thinking about it. And the hold in, for example, is if your bladder is full and you really need to go to the bathroom, you basically, we know how to or just body knows how to hold the very like where the urethra, where the exit, where the urine comes out. We know how to hold that.  The urine comes out and your bladder is empty. So, and then the back muscles would be the same thing if you're, if you have a bowel movement and you're holding, holding, holding, and then you release the bowel movement comes out and all of a sudden you're empty. So it's really paying attention to those muscles, the front muscles and the back muscles and the middle muscles can be a little bit more elusive. But if you just think about connecting the back muscles and the front muscles and they, and then just thinking about everything kind of rising up towards the ceiling, that then helps to find the kegel muscles or your pelvic floor muscles. And for men and women, the perineum is, is the same for women we have a vagina. So the perineum is actually, I don't know if it's thinner. Anatomically, I don't know exactly like if there's a huge difference. All I know is that for women, we have a slightly different sensation when we lift the middle muscles because we have the ability to actually lift from the outside all the way up towards the cervix. And that's just all of these, all these things I'm talking about are just, I'm just, I'm experienced from practicing yoga and then from having children. So I just, it's really just the experience of finding, losing the muscles and refinding them that has helped me to understand our pelvic floor. You don't need to have kids in order to find your pelvic floor. You use it every day sitting in your car, going to the bathroom.  So it's really just paying attention to it.   And then those connect to the abdominal muscles. And that helps to kind of find this ball of energy at the center just below our navel. There's kind of this ball of energy where the Udyana, your abdominal muscles and then the kegel muscles where they kind of connect. So in yoga, this is where we talk about our fire, where our Agni is our fire is. That's our core. Yeah. So how can I mean, for people who have given birth or people who are pregnant, you help people because you teach the pregnancy class in the studio and you help people kind of find their pelvic floor muscles so they can help themselves through their pregnancy and everything. And can you talk more about that? So in my pregnancy class, basically the very first thing we do is we do our kegels or pelvic floor muscle exercises. And I just take women through a visualization of thinking about front middle and back, identifying thinking about where your pubic bone is or your tailbone is. And just by talking about it every single time I teach the class, especially if I have a new person, I'll actually be very specific about the areas. Otherwise, I'll just say front middle and back. And we always do it at the beginning of class, because by the end of class, you're usually tired. And so it's kind of hard to find the muscles. So it's really just kind of saying the information and women hear it. And then if you keep hearing it, and especially towards the end of a pregnancy where your tummy is getting big, baby's big, there's a moment where around 37, 38 weeks where the baby drops down and literally the baby kind of crawls up underneath your ribcage and all of a sudden it drops and it's literally dropping into your pelvic bone. And you all of a sudden feel your pelvic floor just really dropping out. It's really uncomfortable. It's not very pleasant. And I'm always trying to tell women it's like find the muscles before that happens. Because if you don't do any kegels or you don't kind of identify your pelvic floor before you have a baby, and regardless of vaginal or C-section delivery, after you have a baby, it's really hard to refine those muscles.  I know a couple people who have done that. And they're kind of crazy. But you wouldn't do that normally.  So for me, we have this opportunity in pregnancy to actually do the kegel exercises. We also do what I call rock the baby, which is letting your abdominal muscles go and pulling your abdominal muscles in. So we do those two exercises before we get up and actually start doing ostinous. And then once a woman has a baby, if they come into the mom and baby class, it's pretty much the same information. I'm talking about that navel to spine, I'm talking about lifting up in the kegels or lifting up pelvic floor muscles. So it's just a reinforcement of this event has happened. We need to refine this. This can be true also for anybody who has a kind of abdominal surgery, hernias for women, if they have any like uterine issues, if some women have hysterectomies, kind of there's so many prolapse. Yeah, the whole prolapse, a little bit more difficult, maybe, but yeah, that's like and prolapse. It's late by then, you know, uterus. Yeah, the uterus and also the bladder prolapsing. Those I've had, I've known as some older women kind of in their 70s, 80s, that's happened to. I don't know if it's related to not being strong or whether it's just something that all of a sudden happens. But when that situation, yeah, they end up having to have surgery and you kind of they put a net and they kind of sew it up into, I'm not sure where, to keep it supported. Yeah. I'll let you know if that ever happens to me. I don't think so. I don't think no. I feel like those of us that do yoga, it's like we're kind of walking experiments to see what happens as we get older. And I feel like having had, I have three kids and having had, I had a singleton and I had twins. So having had kids, I feel like I've kind of proven something because my body is put back together. It's not what it was before I had kids, but it's, I have, I have strength. I have, I feel my pelvic floor is strong. I feel my abdominals are strong. I had a C-section with the twin. So there's so many experiences that I've had. And as I said, that everything that I teach and everything that I talk about comes from experience. And so if somebody has a question, then it's like, we'll ask that question and then we'll try and figure out how we can help you to make things better or help things to heal with any kind of lower back pain or abdominal pain or ribcage, you know, whatever it is. You know, we try and help, but going at it from that core, because the core is so important, just generally in everything, you know, from, from any kind of sports to aging to any kind of injuries, it really goes back to if you can find your core, if you can be strong in your center, then other things kind of can go back to some sort of equilibrium. Yeah. I mean, as you age, it's very important to have a good strong core for balance, you know, every single time you fall, you might fall or you could take an easy fall. And then also just, you know, as people get older, a lot of people have incontinence, stress incontinence. So if you already have those muscles and you know how to use them, or you can like, you can catch yourself. I have one woman, you know, I've had women who come to class and when you're pregnant, the baby is pretty much sitting right on top of the bladder. So I've got one woman right now who her baby is just sitting right on top of the bladder. So she has to go to the bathroom a lot. So I know she's using her kegels, but there's just that feeling of like, I need to go. So she goes and then she comes back to class. And but she was saying that it's been like this from the beginning. So it's so important to keep finding those muscles so that you can help yourself and you can hold anything that's in your bladder for as long as you can until you can get to a bathroom. You know, so yet is for, you know, for everybody, really important muscles. Yeah. Are there any exercises like for beginners that you would recommend people who haven't maybe tried yoga yet that they could do to sort of start, I mean, besides like the breathing exercises, start finding their core for back pain, if they're experiencing back pain. Really just very simply just sit up taller or stand up taller.  As soon as you're in that position, more than likely the abdominals are just kind of falling out and you're just hanging out. So even be aware of when I'm in my car, be aware of how you're driving that, you know, it's like try and find a position where you can actually sit up. Or the other thing you can also do is I have this in the pregnancy class I talk about. And it was something that a woman said that she did was that every time she either went to a stop light or a stop sign, any time she stopped the car, she would pull, she would pull her abdominal muscles in and pull up in her kegels just to feel it. Because that's another thing is like, you can try and work the muscles. But if you do too much, everything gets numb, you just can't feel what you're trying to do. So it's better and this is for guys as well. It's better to do a little bit a couple times a day, say three times a day, rather than try and do 100 lifts. Because at a point, the muscles just get tired and then you'll just kind of, you feel numb and you can't really feel what you're doing. And then sometimes it becomes counterproductive, especially with the abdominal muscles. Because we're not trying to do, it's different from doing like crunches, like sit up crunches. It's actually, it's actually, if we can show the second video of me and Downer chasing dog, because then you can see that kind of scoop. So here in this, I'm going to do one breath. I think there we go. So this is a belly breath where my tummy is just falling down. And I think I do a second one. So again, there's the inhale. So you can see I'm not using my core. There's no abdominal muscles. There's no pelvic floor muscles. Now watch on this next one. I'm breathing into my rib cage. I'm breathing into my back. I'm breathing into my bra strap. And then as I exhale, I'm pulling my rib cage in. And then, again, so finding, thanks for the video, finding a tall spine, making sure you're not grounded. So tall spine.  And can you breathe into your rib cage?  It's as simple as that, but it's like when we're stressed out or we're in the middle of a job or middle of the day, it's usually the last thing we're thinking about, you know, but just doing something simple like that. If you do it enough, it starts to kind of, your body just kind of knows as soon as you stand up, those things will start to happen without you have to kind of having to consciously think about it.  It's the same, it's the same area. It's not as dramatic because they don't have anything stuck up and into, right? But it's still the same feeling or it's not the same feeling. It's the same, same area. And think about that area. Yeah, just think about the area. Just think about that area of finding the, and then so the other thing is like, if you can find the front muscles and the back muscles and you can find that lift, more than likely middle, middle is coming along for the ride. I always say that. It's like, if you're doing one thing, something else is coming along for a ride because you can't disconnect the area. If you, if you look at an anatomy book, like look at the pelvic floor muscles and they basically, it's quite beautiful when you look at the shapes that they make, but you'll see that it's all interconnected. It's not, it can't be disconnected. So you do one, the other one's going to be engaged. Yeah. So Kathy, how can people find you? I mean, Kathy's been teaching for more than 30 years. She practices Ishinanga herself and she's a great teacher. She's my yoga teacher. So how can people find you if they want to get in touch with you, if they want to go to class? How can people find you? Best place to find us is on our website, which is purpleyoga.com. There we go. There it is, purpleyoga.com. On here, we've got our schedule. It's got the price listing. It has the kinds of classes that we teach. We have, our main teaching is a Mysore Self-Practice Ishinanga Yoga, which is, which is the class that Grace comes to. Sometimes Grace is also coming to my lead class, which is on Saturdays. And then I do a prenatal, postnatal program that we have on Sundays. And we're in three different locations. So it's probably best if you look at the website and you'll see all the different places that we're at. And then contact us. You can either call us or email us. We're also on Instagram at Purple Yoga Hawaii and Facebook same Purple Yoga Hawaii. So just to, yeah, contact us via that and ask any questions if you have any questions about what we do. Yeah. Yeah. Let me see if anybody, I guess, is there anything else that you want to say before we close up? Yeah, core. Use your core. It's so important. I know. Oh, another thing I want to say real quickly is that it was funny this morning, Grace, when you were practicing and when you came in, I started getting really nervous. And when I get nervous, my back hurts. So for me, my back is like my barometer of stress. So when I'm slightly stressed or I'm slightly nervous, my back will start to wobble. My literally my sacrum. I can feel my sacrum. I get these little kind of zingy, hot feeling. I'm like, Oh, no. So I was like the whole time today, I was like, I can get pulling your core. This is what you're talking about. You don't want to get something interesting and not be able to walk and move. So I'm doing it all the time. So you might find that if you have stress that your lower back takes that stress, or all of a sudden you your abdominal muscles, like you get a shock and your abdominal muscles just let go.  That's like the best advice that I can think tall, think tall and pull everything in. So I was this morning, I was I was teaching. Thank you so much. So our time and we have to wrap it up. But okay, so Neil, this is healthy planet on think tech live streaming network series. We've been talking with Kathy Lewis Broda of purple yoga about finding your core. Thanks to all of you for being here. And thanks to Max, our broadcast engineer and the rest of the crew at think tech for hosting our show. And thanks to you, our listeners for listening. I'll see you on March 3 for more of healthy planet on think tech the show for people who care about their health and the health of our planet. Our next show features guest Darlene Lou Macdowell butterfly rancher and owner of sharing the butterfly experience and expert in raising monarch butterflies. We will be talking about monarch butterflies. If you have ideas for the show, please contact me at healthy planet think tech at gmail.com. Check out my website at Grayson Hawaii.com for more information on my projects, including future show guests. I'm Dr. Grace O'Neill. Aloha everyone.


When I was in high school, I wanted to get away from my hometown, which is Berkeley, more than anything. I applied to a whole bunch of colleges, and I got rejected from pretty much all of them, or at least Berkeley was by far the best college that I got into. I was like, oh no, I got into Berkeley, guess I got to go to Berkeley. So I went to Berkeley, and it ended up being absolutely perfect for me. I knew I wanted to help people, and so I decided I wanted to be a doctor and I decided to study public health. That really changed when I went to Niger to study women's empowerment. A lot of them live in rural villages where they grow their own food, where they rely on rainfall. There's a lot of environmental factors that really affect their health, like malaria is super prevalent. And it just became very clear to me how climate change and the environment was really probably the biggest factor that affected their health. And coming back to California, I realized that the same was true in California, it's just less obvious. My research focuses on prescribed burns, which are fires that you light on purpose, so that later there aren't fires that get really out of control, kill people, and cause enormous plumes of smoke that cover urban areas. Also they're really important for making sure that we have a healthy ecosystem. I actually love and hate statistics. A lot of it is really boring, crunching numbers, but what's really, really beautiful and wonderful about it is understanding how these insane simulations or tests work. What is the math behind it? And how can you take these numbers and turn them into something useful? And I think that is just so exciting. I take data sets on where and when prescribed burns and wildfires have happened in California, and I combine those with drone or satellite imagery on where the smoke plumes are. With another data set, which tells me the levels of pollutants that are in the air. And I mix them all together in my laptop and out comes this wonderful result. You can answer so many great questions. Doing public health work and now also environmental science work is something that's really fulfilling to me because I'm not only doing something that I really love to do, but I also know that it's having a positive impact. I started playing the harp when I was eight years old. It's been really a wonderful companion all throughout my life. I play in a duo called CrossHarp. It's really meditative for me. If ever there is something that was bothering me, a hard test that I just felt I didn't do well on or anything like that. Just playing harp music was always there for me. There is everything at Berkeley. You can find absolutely everything. There's every kind of person, every interest. Everything you could possibly imagine wanting to do or wanting to learn about. In pretty much every class you can find a friend and you just go through the journey of that class together. And that's been really special. I've made so many really really close friends doing that. I joined the Berkeley Medical Reserve Corps when I was a sophomore. I volunteered at a shelter for those displaced by the Paradise Fires. And that was one of the ways that I realized that California is also super dependent on its environment. Berkeley is the place where I found my purpose. I found what I want to contribute to the world and how I want to do it. So I ended up just loving it here and I'm so glad that everywhere rejected me.


Well, it's a wonderful opportunity for me to greet President Matsuyate Sari, who is very privileged to have known and has as a friend and who's influencing the building up of WIDER right from the early days when I was involved with WIDER, has been extraordinarily important, inspiring, and deeply influential. Of course, President Matsuyate Sari's role in the world is widely known and very deeply admired, but in a small way that applied even to WIDER, which was a new institution, new kind of a place where research would be done as the name indicated or an acronym WIDER. It was trying to take a wider, a broader, a more inclusive view of the world and the pursuit of development studies has to be done. It was determined at that time on a much broader basis than was indeed conventional. And in that part was enormously important, part was played by Matsuyate Sari as one of the principal advisors and influences in the early days of WIDER. And in particular, some of his concern, including the one which you will be talking about today, I understand, namely the importance of equity and the issues of fairness in the process of the development of the world and in that context both peace and prosperity. Really among the major issues we tried to deal with, there is sometimes a kind of artificial barrier raising, you know, economic expansion is one thing, but equity is yet another. That's not the right way of thinking about it, one thing, you don't get much economic expansion if you are troubled with problems of inequality within as well as discontent which often can come when some people's lives are not going well at all despite other people's life rolling forward. Now President Atisari had been very concerned with these issues for a very long time and I remember wonderful discussions with him and actually with his wife, Eva, also on these subjects when we were trying to look for a vision for WIDER. And I think that question really ends alive today. I was just thinking about it because I've published recently a book on India and one of the issues is that the high rate of economic growth of India has not translated into the bettering of the lives of the bulk of the population. And in some ways the concern is not just to view it artificially separate and namely you have the growth and however you can then make people's lives better. But people's lives better is part of the engagement of which growth is also a byproduct. As I think Adam Smith noted well over 200 years ago that there's nothing as important as having a healthy educated workforce who can cultivate their skill, who can improve on their skill and who have a sense of satisfaction in their lives in the community including he discussed particularly such issues as appearing in public without shame, participating in public discussion. But these have been among the central concern of the entire United Nations effort of which of course Mati Atissari has been a central figure in recent years, decades actually. And I think these issues remain in the context of India at the moment that people are talking about how does the growth rate have come out to be, how is it not sustaining itself? Well, there are all kinds of problems and people point to the failure to deal with the physical infrastructure but there are similar issues of the social infrastructure too that is the potholes on the road are very easy to see but potholes in our health care and education system are not so easy to detect. So I think the entire approach that beginning with director Lal Javada who is the first director of WIDA and many of us who were trying to advise him I think of other advisors like Steve Maglin and others and also a lot of the people working in WIDA at that time like Esa Arosmani, we were very concerned about how make equity, make equity a part of the picture, not a detachable whole to the story of human progress. To see that human progress has to be understood in terms of what it does to the lives of the people, the well-being and freedom of the people and to understand how the well-being and the freedom of the people feedback in making growth sustainable not just environmentally that too is very important but also sustainable socially. And my one deep regret is that I can't be there today and listen to Matiasari speaking again I've had that pleasurable experience many times I feel very deprived that I won't be able to have that pleasure now but I take this opportunity of wishing everyone a wonderful time and I minimally demand a full report as to what happens today.


Hey everybody welcome back to the video today I'm going to be talking a little bit about My experiences with the fish shell the friendly interactive shell. I think is what it stands for I Spend using it for all time for about three weeks ish Maybe two weeks maybe a little longer than I'm not sure maybe a month even I'm not sure it's been a while I've tried fish before but I've never actually like changed my shell to it just I've installed it and used it for you know, half a minute switch back and But this time I decided to you know I'm gonna really try it because DistroTube and some of the guys at the Destination Linux podcast really enjoy fish and they consider it the best thing since sliced bread And I was like well, you know, I'm gonna figure out what the hell they're talking about why why they think it's so good and so I switched and It's good. It's Good But it's not great. It's not it's not the best thing since sliced bread. It's not the best terminal Or it's not the best shell out there. I don't think it's just as I Have all right, so let's talk about the good things. Let's be a little organized about this If you're going to do something like Let's see here, let's say I wanted to use I gotta come up with a good example of What fish does and I'm completely down. So let's actually let's Let's do a neo month and you see how here how it Has auto suggestions Like you can add auto suggestions to like ZSH with a plug-in. What this does if you do dash dash and then tab over It's supposed to work anyways Alright, yeah, so if you do tab after one, it'll actually tell you All of the options and it gets these directly from a man page And I tell you what you know what they do and everything and then you can just do that I'm not sure why won't do do it for double and you can just tap through them. That's really cool ZSH won't do that. There may be a plug-in or something. I'm not sure But it'll do that for any terminal program, it's really cool. That's really nice but Here's the thing outside of that. I have no reason to like fish.  It was you know, I made a whole Analogy about you know taking the steering wheel out of a car doesn't make the car less blow It just makes it not work and that's the way I feel about DWM You have to add a whole bunch of things to actually make it functional Which shows I'm actually kind of similar fish has all the stuff that I had to go through and add in piece No, the ZSH to make it functional But I think because I've already done the work to make ZSH awesome fish doesn't have any appeal to me because it does everything my ZSH build it and If that was just where it stopped if that was where the the story ended I'd probably just stand fish and I still may just stand fish because I've gotten used to it But there are several things about fish that just aren't cool. So There are certain things that don't work like Say I say I had some you know command or whatever here in the terminal and I had forgotten to add sudo in Bash or ZSH I could go sudo bang bang and then it would you know It would add sudo to whatever The thing is this is just going to be run sudo and then to exclamation points, which is you know, you know, not really what you want uh-huh and You know it was sudo the last command that was there anyways Fish won't do that That's the thing that I use all the time because I'm always forgetting to put sudo begin especially when I'm editing something and you know like Like an environment variable or something like that You know if you get into the one of the bin files chances are you're gonna need sudo to edit it especially if it's you know and you know local or You know slash us are whatever your user files You know you get in there and you make your edits and you realize that you can't do it without privileges and sudo bang bang is something that would always use now I understand that you can add this via you know your fish file so This is my fish Config file and you can add things to it. I'm pretty sure I stole some of this stuff from My zsh file. This is just all my leases. They all work the same. Um, you can Unlike zsh you can declare the environment variables right here in the config file. That's cool But I don't my problem is I don't want to have to go through and do the work yen I think that's where I'm having the problem with fish is those little things that just won't work So the sudo bang bang there are some scripts that won't work in fish because fish is not posix compliant Now when I first thought about fish when I first heard of fish I was led to believe that no scripts would work and that's not the case some bash scripts will work It'll just depend on So if I do that go back up here in CD documents strips if I go into Just If I go into here if you if you used That this like if you call out a specific shell It might or might not work. So here I've called out actual bash. I think if I'd Well, I did that in this one too. I might have done that in all of them But if you've just used Slash sh instead of bash You know it might or might not work again. I'm not quite sure what things it does work. I've just noticed that sometimes My script won't work and that's not a great thing. Hey, you know So, I don't know It's like this one here is just the asset agent this this is just I mean, it's just a simple Script that I used in BS PWM in order to kill to kill a program That's literally all this so and The thing is if you're using ship it fishes your shell and you're one of your fish your Strips just don't work Without changing it over to whatever fish will use, you know, we'll actually read that's problem and Well, I haven't encountered it as much as I thought it was like I said when I first heard a fish It would you know, I thought that it wouldn't run any bash script at all But that's not the case. It will run some of them. It just is very picky and Syntax so like if your bash script has like an equal in it somewhere it won't run and I'm not sure why if or if you even if you run a command here and some in you know, and like it just the regular you know You know shell it won't if any has an equal signed or certain symbols. I'm pretty sure Like like Chevron's work Sometimes but equals doesn't work sometimes. I've noticed the dollar sign returns a signal or an error But not all the time. It's really weird So So some final thoughts I Will say all this is that if you choose to use fish, you'll be happy Because fish is good Fish is I think the best way to put it would be fish would be a great shell to start off on if you're a new user to Linux or a new user to the terminal at all and then whatever operating system you're in Fish should be great to start out on because you don't have any baggage or any prior work that you've put into your shell To hold you back or to make you feel like that. I was a waste of time for me I've put all this work into making ZSH work and I kind of want to use ZSH because I've done that work Even though For the most part now ZSH and fish for me would be almost exactly the same the only difference being that You know the bang bang thing would work right out of the box so I Think that's where I stand with fish is fishes. Just it's a good beginner's shell and it'd be good for everybody But if you've done work to make the shell you use now, you know the way you want it Um, there's no good reason to use fish for me I Really enjoyed Omize ZSH and I understand that a lot of people consider that blush bloat and I understand that there's a version of for fish But I Went through and I customized, you know with Omize ZSH and my shell looks the way I wanted to work It has all the things I wanted to do things work exactly the way I wanted to work and While that the same is in fish The same goes for fish. It's just I've done the work, you know, I mean it just makes it feel like if I switch to fish I've done all that stuff. I did in ZSH You know would have been a waste of time. Anyway, so that is My V my very brief very scattered thoughts on my three month three weeks with fish It's meh. I'm not attached to it And I probably ended up going back to ZSH I think I do want to play a little bit more around with customizing the prompt itself Because this is kind of it's not looking But that's probably the last thing I'll do the fish and then I'll go back to ZSH for I'm comfortable The ZSH is my security blanket. Anyways, if you like this video, give it a thumbs up If not, give it a thumbs down subscribe all that stuff I'm not sure When my next video for this channel be we're coming up on Thanksgiving. So the video schedule will be a little bit wonky, but anyways We'll see you next time. Thanks for watching


Good morning, everyone and welcome to my first weekend of my life log in honestly a while I just went to now chose so if it feels like this is repetitive. That is why this Friday morning I'm actually about to head to the studio I'm recording two episodes and then Danielle. It's coming to town. This is the very last-minute surprise So we're very excited.  I'm so excited to see her I actually go to see her in less than a month So Daniela and I just spend like a lot of time together You guys ready here be sure to subscribe also Thank you guys so much for all the love on the podcast guys It is like made my life like I'm just so happy if you guys haven't checked my new podcast I love you so much with Kinsey Elizabeth link down below as always. Love you guys. Okay. I'm gonna head out To the studio I think and record some podcast So proud of myself. I literally woke up like 20 minutes ago packed all of my stuff showered and I'm ready So that's awesome. Here's my nice juicy guitar like Jim bag.  Did you like laugh at my order? I wanted to throw up And then white girl thing. It really is and then my breakfast sandwich amazing Hi guys, we just recorded our My second episode of the day find out juicy stuff about awesome boys. Yes, Taylor's podcast is also live I already talked about that a log. I don't think it's up yet So you don't know that but her podcast is up so that launched we literally launched podcast the exact same week Of course we did. I know this is like only recorded together very excited. I think I love it here I like absolutely love it here. It's the coolest thing ever I'm at Alfred T now just got a nitro chai. So cute Okay, so we are now at Alfred T. We've been here for a bit. I've run into so many friends Danielle and Morgan just parked. I don't know where they are But they're going to Alfred and then they're going to a driver appointment. We don't have driver appointments, but it's okay All right, the amount of these I've recorded Before I go attack them we're just sitting out Hey guys Ready, we'll eventually Danny will eventually be here I need room right We're at Morgan's. We're about to go to dinner. We're going to pump Yeah, okay me too So we got ready about to put ocean on it's okay. I'm getting ready with gals We had such good girl talk. It was just we talked about boys Girl talk means you just talk about boys. Yeah But it was good and like, you know business ventures business, but no, I'm just it's not like we really That's what I should need my boys a business That's you Meetings Okay, your starter pack. I spent a lot of tea jazz playlist She believes you could say she did And marble That's like 2017 Daniel I just thought it was I'm so curious All right, we got Daniel Kenzie's next Kenzie I can Wrapper sure Thank you. I love this Juicy track suits. Thank you What else what do I drink all the time? I'm close because Kenzie wants it Yeah They could be my passion planer Yeah, that's true because we're very consistent and things that we like All right, we're done with you Morgan. Do you love auto blazers? Can see it needs to be refined because we have too many we have Texas Texas has on there So we want to cut or here We'll do it tonight Taylor Taylor, okay, Taylor red lipstick Yes, that's so good All right Morgan Demi Lovato blazers rumble box like boxing and No, but it's just something that's easy to put in Yeah, yeah black nails black nails is a big one Going to catch my god. Yeah for real actually though. What's something Cardi B just too many thing is As leveled theory you're already I did not know you said something like equally that sounds like you I didn't say like one like cool word, which is basically not um like or basically It's a pretty average word pretty average word Like high school level Yeah, slaughter Morgan in the comments down below comment of the day Just kidding guys, but more you're just very smart as a very good vocab and Daniel and I are fascinated by it We love her vocab really we really are yep ultimate break. It's literally yeah We're back at Morgan For some reason my camera will not stay focused, but thank you my makeup off Putting pajamas on this is literally a matching pajama set Yeah, we were talking about like going somewhere after dinner and here we are it's 10 p.m. And we are Going to bed. So awesome Good morning My espresso, but she got one with these big pots. So we show me and you what do I have this one? I don't know. I don't know cuz you guys with of this. I got it. I think I'm the outcast Honestly, I'm yeah, you're the outcast any you were too early Wait for the click slide it click add ice and then fill it with my like on and off your coconut Oh, I actually do this at my house. So Oh Put my vanilla syrup in here Wow, I really am you today. It's so pretty. Thank you Morgan playing some jazz music. We have our lattes Some breakfast playing some jazz music Wow I'll just start for Chanel. We're in the car So we found out that they open up a new shopping center in the Palisades, so we're on our way Definitely changed. This is exactly what we wanted to do today. It just happened to open. It's we're just very happy very happy Yeah, actually Morgan teared up and cried so What's new? This is so cute. I'm gonna live here guys. I actually love it here. Wow Wow, it is so cute. I Love it here. Wow It's awesome.  We literally went to four restaurants and we finally got a table somewhere Yeah, and here we went and we ended up at the most basic place Malibu farm. So awesome some lattes and No, it's it's Shelby's she had a pizza. I have food right here I got a grilled chicken sandwich isn't the first one. I haven't gotten the case in years from Malibu farm Oh My launch is on the way though my ice latte Wow, it is I Ken'sinator. Is that what you call them? No Totally kidding. I made the joke cuz Lauren was like, do you call your fans Janina naters? I was like, what's up? I don't call them fans second off. No, yeah, we can't say fan. We don't we don't say that This is like moving and I don't know ready for Taylor to get here I mean, where do you want Taylor? My hair kind of looks like a mop. Yeah, I'd rather have this. We're talking about dream boys.  She loves one. She would never I don't either I can I like dark hair. I don't like blonde We're helping Janina Yeah, and stop complaining you're welcome So Morgan is gonna text him choose it 10 36 a.m. To be specific because it's a very casual time and we're gonna Nice skirt Palisades Village is our new place. I'm telling you it is amazing I'm Leaving at Malibu farm right now. We just took some group photos group photos on a pier What is wrong with this camera? Also an arch of group photos. There's an arch group photos, and we didn't master it Which one oh Yeah, stop those good Hey guys, so it is later. We're getting ready for dinner. I changed into a princess polydress I'm more this exact to happen in Greece, but I'm just waiting on all my new dresses to come in guys So we'll survive I'm got ready in five minutes. Are you guys excited? We're going to the Grove, which is you guys know the growth is what we're going to like this Italian restaurant We always go to the Grove and hopefully there's jazz music everyone's vibe mostly Danielle's but What what jazz music? Oh Yeah So that black thing that's under you Morgan No, there's a good thing up. No, do I give this to her? All right, Morgan, I know I was right. Yeah, we go for the ox. Oh me I know I'm so honored. Yeah, we're listening to Canon and D first. What is that? I know what that is I've just I'm a little stressed right now, so I need to be relaxed anyone who knows what Canon and D is will understand We play it like a punk rock band Yeah Here it is Super pop Everyone I'm breathing. I'm good. I was only showing kids because she thought it was a rock. Okay. All right. Um, we're gonna go on We made it so cute. So cute You guys we're set on a cup right now. We are at a restaurant to grow Overlooking the Grove. It's beautiful. I'm gonna get some carbonara Oh We're sharing our highs and lows at dinner. It's so cute Morgan's crying She was all right Taylor, are you ready?  It is Sunday.  She's enjoying the day. I'm enjoying the day I love you guys so much subscribe you guys. I'm not ready. I'll be in Georgia in a month. Oh my god Love you guys. Bye