Hello, and welcome to this episode of The Analyst Angle. I'm Shelly Kramer, Managing Director and Principal Analyst here at theCUBE Research, and today our show is going to focus on AI reskilling and the intersection of society and technology, no small topic to be sure. And this really kind of came out of some news that came out of Microsoft about a week ago where they announced plans to train two million people in India with skills in AI by 2025. You know, obviously as countries and governments and organizations across the world race to ramp up their investments in AI, there's a very real need to future-proof workers and also to address, you know, and a lot of how Microsoft positioned this as a goal to address inequality as fears of jobs being killed off, stand a very real chance of deepening those inequalities. In Microsoft's case, this training will be delivered in partnership with governments and organizations, nonprofits and communities, and it's intended to help the future workforce harness AI's potential. So when news of that was circulating a little bit on the interwebs, I happened to cross some conversations with some fellow industry veterans and analysts and I thought it would be a great topic for us to address in this show. So with that, I am pleased to welcome my guests, Betty Junod and Sarbjit Johal to the show. Guys, welcome, it's great to have you. Hello, hello, I'm happy to be here. Absolutely, thanks. Well, you know, before we dive into our conversation, let me have each one of you just do a brief intro of yourselves and kind of a little bit about your background. I do have to say when Betty and I were talking about this in advance of the show, she described herself as a tech industry veteran and opinionist. So I needed to say that out loud because in case she leaves that out of her description of herself, I think that's kind of brilliant. So Betty, take it away. Thank you, Shelly. So Betty Junod, happy to be here. I have worked at major tech companies like VMware, Docker, Seloio, really kind of at the early stages of when they're just dropping the industry, and specifically in marketing and go-to-market roles, hence, you know, the catchy tech opinionist title. I love it. I love it. And Sarbjit? Yeah, thanks, Shelly again. Betty, nice to be with you again today. I see myself as a technology strategist. I have done a lot of work as a developer in the industry and then a lot of pre-sales work at operations companies at VMware, at EMC, at Oracle Cloud and in Rackspace and places like that. And mostly technology focused but technology strategy in sort of, if you want to be precise. I'm an economics major who fell into technology when I came to US in 1994. So I put that angle on in my talks and in my analysis. Absolutely, I think that makes perfect sense. Well, I will say that I spent 27 years of my career as a marketing brand strategist. So I feel like, you know, I think that one of the things that's so interesting about, you know, sort of a team approach to analyst relations, you know, and I know that you both, we both do a lot of things with the two of you, but for our team here at theCUBE Research, you know, we've got the analysts to our former product managers and we've got analysts to our former analysts with gigantic firms. And then we've got somebody like me who brings the marketing and brand strategy expertise to the table. And so it's always interesting to see sort of how you need all of those skill sets, I think, along the way, you know? Yeah, absolutely. Make a well-rounded organization. Absolutely. So let's go back to this Microsoft announcement. Okay, now, you know, I very much, again, this is not, you know, this is not something that Microsoft is the only company doing and not to take anything away from their movie. I think this is important and timely. But I think that, you know, in general, technology vendors feel a responsibility to lead this reskilling effort. I would very much agree with that. One of the things I think that interested me in having both of you on this show to talk about this though, is that, you know, Sergey, in the conversation that was taking place on Twitter around this, one of the things that you mentioned that I thought was particularly interesting was you talked about the importance of Microsoft, Google Cloud, Amazon, Meta, Apple, and others creating what you called skills gravity for their platforms. Will you talk a little bit about that? Yeah, sure. Actually, that was under the premise of what I call it, bigger the system, more self-healing it is. Actually, when we talk about loss of jobs versus a new technology coming to the picture and then why these vendors train these people. And it's not that they want to do some social welfare. It's not, you know, just some, you know, noble idea they have. They want to improve their business. Just by, in order to improve their business, they have to train new people on their technology stacks. And that helps people to get that training, new entrants as well as people who needs to be retrained on new technologies. So the system sort of self-heals for the most part, right? That was my premise. And the idea of skills gravity, actually I can remember that sort of term about like, I think four or five years back when everybody was talking about the data gravity in cloud and I started talking about the skills gravity as well because in a nutshell, practitioners invest in stacks as well, just as the enterprises which consume technology they do. So once they pick a stack or a platform, they get training in it. They want to continue with that unless that thing is dying or flattening out or going out of fashion, technology like fashion, we never done with it actually. That's another thing which is a good one-liner. So just to get that skills, people skilled, what I call skills gravity, that helps vendors sort of make more sales and keep more business with them just like data gravity in cloud context we were talking for in context for AWS, right? And then Microsoft came as number two and then Google Cloud is number three. So similarly, the training creates that skills gravity for vendors, VMware had bunch of certified professionals, Cisco had all back in the day a lot of professional CCNA and all that certifications. So that keeps people there with their stacks. So that's what, that was my idea of skills gravity. Yeah, I mean- I would love to hear from you both actually how you see that. Yeah, I think that you make some valid points. I will say that one of the things that caught my eye about the Microsoft announcement is that part of their release on this said that their commitment included partnering with national and state governments to give basic advanced AI training to 500,000 students and job seekers. Okay, I get that. In-depth AI technical training for 100,000 young women and raising awareness of responsible AI use and AI enabled caregivers for 400,000 students in schools in remote and tribal areas. So I totally agree with you that in many instances, this is a self-serving act by technology vendors. I absolutely, keeping people trained on your products and all of that sort of makes perfect sense, right? And yet I do also feel that these vendors feel a responsibility to invest in reskilling initiatives. But I thought this in particular, this focusing on young women, focusing on caregivers for students in remote and tribal areas. I think that's an important part of the equation here that kudos to Microsoft for this. And again, Microsoft is not the only technology vendor focusing on these kind of communities and things like that. But I think that's an important part of this that I wanna be sure that we recognize. Yeah, and when you think about that, I think the thing that's interesting is that because the announcement also focused on addressing inequity. So I think that that really nods to like the different populations. One of the other things is to what Sarabjeet just talked about, like having these vendors, making training readily available, things like VMware and Cisco, some of the examples he provided is like, those are highly specialized technical skill sets. Some things with AI, the way that especially with generative AI and how it can be used now, it's so much more readily accessible in a way to the non-technical user. So how can I? Yeah, I just logging into a website. How can I better ask a question to jumpstart an interest I may have as a young person in a topic that maybe formal training or education on that is not available in my region? But you know what, I have a mobile phone. I have my hand at all times. Yeah, that gives me access to the internet. It gives me power in ways that some of the other, doing like a major networking infrastructure class over a phone is very different than asking an AI, a generative AI client to like teach me about XYZ topic. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I just want to highlight what Betty just said, great point actually. It's a highly accessible technology, but AI itself can train you to use AI better. So AI in many ways can train you to do better AI. You can use it in more effective ways, but also you can learn other technical skills using AI. So it's very versatile technology. It's a augmentation for human sort of cognitive abilities. That's what I see it. Yeah, absolutely. Betty, I know that you said that you had spent a little time doing some research about kind of what's ahead in the workplace and one of the stats that you highlighted was that there's expected to be an 85 million person shortage of software engineers. I mean, that's no small number, but I'd love it if you'd share a little bit more of some of the information that you have accessed as we prepared for this conversation. Yeah, I was looking up some things around the available talent and skills, right? Especially along this topic of how can AI help re-skill the workforce? And it was a fascinating statistic from the US Labor Department saying that by 2030, which is now only a handful of years away, the global shortage of software engineers may reach 85 million. And that's across companies like your bank, right? The banks that we're working with, grocery stores, two companies like Microsoft, Google, AWS, so it's everybody all in. Across all those jobs, they're trying to, you know, software engineers to create products that, you know, will generate revenue, you know, generate revenue for those companies, you know, paychecks for the people and help grow the global economy. And so when you look at it from that perspective, it's fascinating. So can these technologies help, you know, shorten or jumpstart the individual to learn the skills? Also, how do we teach them to better use something like AI to help better solve their problems? There's some other studies out there and it escapes me on exactly where I had seen it, but, you know, senior engineers tend to have better outcomes. Their productivity is vastly improved using generated AI versus a beginner developer, mostly because a senior engineer main has a better context for the kind of questions to ask. So in some ways... Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Yeah, if you know a little more about context, I can ask better questions. So one of the things might be is when you're training people with GenAI, it's like, how can, how do we change how we ask questions, what we do to make, to get the most out of this tool, you know, get better use out of the tool to help us in our workflow. There's a whole cottage industry here that is springing up and just like learning how to query, right?  And so it's really interesting. And the other thing that I think is interesting that I see, I have twin daughters who are high school seniors. And so, you know, I'm involved in the college parent conversations and things like that. It's fascinating to me how many young people are going into fields that are expected to be highly impacted by AI that have no idea about this. So they're not planning around this journalism as one of them. And by the way, I'm not discouraging anybody from, you know, majoring in journalism, but if you're gonna major in journalism, you really need to understand what's going on in the industry, right? As you kind of start to make career plans. And I think another thing that we hear a lot about are, you know, is the statement that gendered AI is going to replace coders because, you know, it does it so much better and everything else. Well, the reality of it is that's really not true. You know, is Gen AI going to work alongside humans and software engineers in creating, you know, better iterations of software more rapidly? Probably. Is it gonna do away with software engineers in general? Absolutely not. So it's just kind of interesting to see how this is evolving. We don't have enough software engineers anyways. Yeah, I think somebody came over to the crowd. Go ahead, please. Oh, no, I was just gonna say we don't have enough software engineers anyways. So the idea that we can, you know, get more out of, be able to augment the people that are trying to develop software with AI, it's good for all of us. Yeah, absolutely. Sarbjit, what were you going to say? I think somebody came up with this clever one line and it says, it's not that Gen AI or AI will replace you. It's a person who knows Gen AI will replace you. 100%. It's always person who will replace you, but not the technology. Right, well, that's what I mean about the cottage industry and learning queries. And, you know, I was on a briefing yesterday with the team at a big technology company. And one of the things that they were asking us was, you know, what are we hearing in the market as it relates to AI? What do we think that customers are struggling with and challenged by and everything else? And, you know, one of our responses was that, you know, a lot of technology firms are offering, you know, will help get you started with your Gen AI instances throughout the organization. And my comments on that was, you know, I think customers are looking for more than will help get you started because this is a whole new frontier. And I think that the technology vendors who are best positioned to grab market share in this economy today are the people who treat this as a partnership and who truly will slide it alongside teams and not only help you get started, but help you get the, you know, the best and the quickest ROI out of your investment in all things related to AI. Absolutely. Yeah, I totally agree. I think the vendors who can train more people quickly, they will reap the benefits of their stock being out there more quickly. And they will gain the market share. That's how it goes. Well, that's skills gravity. Yeah, skills gravity, right? And creating the most skills gravity for their stock. That's what it is. Exactly, yeah. Well, and you know, I mentioned this earlier in the conversation, but I just share here that Google Cloud has a new Gen AI training program and they have like seven or eight courses that you can take for free to learn Gen AI. And on a bigger scale, IBM who went all in on AI famously quite a while ago, making announcements that remember when Arvin said that hiring was going to shut down in any areas where, you know, Gen AI could play a role and, you know, that kind of set shockwaves through the industry. But, you know, IBM's research purposes value found that their executives estimated about 40% of their workforce would need to reskill over the next three years due to AI and automation. And so, and this was something that they said in October of 2023, IBM's made a commitment to train two million people, two million workers in AI in three years. And they are also focused on underrepresented communities and equitable access as a priority so that no one is left behind. IBM also offers a bunch of skills build courses. Amazon is another one and Amazon has long had initiatives as it have many tech vendors in high schools and even in middle schools kind of helping to train the next gen of tech workers. But in September of 2021, so a couple of years ago, Amazon committed 1.2 billion to provide 300,000 employees with access to education and skills training programs, including college tuition for frontline employees. And this was through 2025 as part of their upscaling, Amazon upscaling pledge. So this is their own employees, which I think is really important. And so, you know, we are seeing technology vendors really stepping up. And, but, you know, as you both have said, this is certainly something that is not an altruistic effort. This is something that makes good business sense. Makes good business sense for them because they need the employees to keep their businesses going forward. But in order, you know, all the training for those outside their organization focuses on their adoption. But when you have disruptive technologies like this, just how we do things change. So not just what we use, but how we do things. So it makes good sense for, you know, the more we can get everybody using things responsibly together, it kind of, it can, it's done the right way. It could unlock more for industry as a whole. Yeah, absolutely. Sarbjean, what do you think? Yeah, I think if we were talking about numbers, actually, I wrote down before we turned the cameras on and we'll prep. In June 2020, Microsoft said, we will train 25 million people with digital skills. Like in December 2020, during the event, AWS said we will train 29 million people on AWS cloud-related sort of technologies. October 2021, Google said 40 million. That's the number they gave for cloud skills. Like it's not for digital skills, cloud skills, like more precise. And two days ago, Google, there's news heading the wire. Two days ago, Google pumps $27 million into AI training after Microsoft says what they are training like two million people or something like that in India, you know, rural parts of India or small towns of India. And actually it depends who the vendor is, what technology they provide, if it's B2C or B2B, and how accessible that technology is, as Betty said earlier, right? So if it's very accessible, people will learn that faster and it will, you know, spread like wildfire.  Like there's no way that you can go, you know, online and get it, right? So you have to have, you have to work somewhere, right? Most of the time, right? So that was a traditional sort of way, these vendors like locked doors, not giving you access to their technology. So all those vendors are kind of shrinking in size and their influence, I will say. I think it's the age of opening up and, you know, giving free access to the practitioners early on. That's how you put your technology out there. And actually that's a, when I talk to the vendors, that's my number one suggestion to them is like, you know, train, train, train, train as much as people you can train on your stocks and that will do you, that will do you know, like a magical favor to you as a vendor. Please hold. Yeah. You know, we did a research study for an automation vendor a handful of years ago. And one of the things that I thought was so interesting about this particular study, a lot of times when you do research, brands want survey responses from senior leaders, executives, CIOs, CTOs, that sort of thing. And what this particular technology vendor was interested in was more mid-level and frontline workers. And the conversation, the topic was all around automation and AI and how that was changing the workplace. And it was so interesting to, I felt like it was so interesting to come at it from that viewpoint. And what we learned was that, of course in many instances, we hear AI is going to displace workers and AI is gonna take jobs and all of that sort of thing. And the reality of it is, technology alone is never the answer. And this is something that I've said a million times since we started talking about digital transformation in the last decade, right? I mean, technology alone is not the answer. It's a combination of people, processes and technology that make the magic happen. But it was really interesting to get feedback from the employees at this level within an organization because what they said resoundingly was that, we're excited about this and we want to level up our training. And we so look forward to, but we look forward to learning new skills, but we also wanna be a part of the conversation around this, you know, we're on the front lines. We're the people who are interacting with customers. Maybe it's in a contact center or maybe it's somewhere else where we're having direct customer feedback or interface. But I thought that was really interesting, like involve us in the conversations, let us contribute our knowledge and our insights as you make decisions about these things. And then of course, you know, where you end up when you do that is you have more rapid adoption, you have better informed employees. You know, you kind of, I think you kind of create a culture of innovation when you approach integrating AI and Gen AI into your business operations. But that always stuck with me. I thought that was really a smart way to go about it. But equally important is I've had conversations with some of those employees. And this is actually even before Gen AI became a thing and we were talking about RPA being, you know, kind of a low code, no code solutions being introduced throughout organizations and I've had so many conversations with people who've shared things like, you know, I just had an ordinary average job and I had an opportunity to learn how to do this and how to learn, you know, to write, you know, how to create bots and create animations throughout the organization. And it's just like, and now I'm in a position where I'm kind of like an ambassador and I'm teaching other people in the organization how to do this. And I'm just like, I've never loved my job anymore. Like this is so exciting. So there, I think there are amazing opportunities ahead in the workplace for people. And it really just kind of depends on how we approach that in terms of what kind of outcomes we see. Absolutely. I think when you talk to, like you said, the people in the front lines, they can probably give more concrete use cases to player. AI, you know, these various AI use cases can be used to, you know, make things more efficient, help, you know, get to issue resolution faster and things. Yeah, I know. Well, you know, Betty, as the, you know, the conversation that this conversation started because I saw the news about Microsoft and I saw you commenting on it, Sarbjeet. And then I saw you popping in and commenting, Betty. And one of the statements that you made was, you know, this intersection of society and technology, it's complicated. So as we get ready to wrap our show, do you have any final thoughts on that? It's complicated. So I think it's one of those things in that for society as a whole to advance, it needs to go together with the concerns of just the humans and the concerns of commerce. Because it's not, they're not mutually exclusive. So I think what, and we have consumers. Yes. Yeah. Customers, the people that work at the work there, the customers, you know, just looking at all of it as one giant ecosystem, right? So it's good to see these kind of initiatives being announced early on in this wave. Yeah, absolutely. Sarbjeet, do you have any final thoughts or advice? Strategic advice for our viewing and listing audience? Definitely, actually. I think the number one advice in this context that you can give is like always, always be learning actually, you know? So humans actually, human progress we have made, you know, we have rockets now from starting with a fire and lever of those basic innovations to where we are today. We built on top of existing innovations. So if we don't learn about the sort of what's happening now, the new innovations coming down the pike, and it's a convergence of many factors with what makes new things happen. So you guys and girls need to keep your eyes and ears open to what's happening around you. Even if you are specializing in, let's say finance, you need to learn a little bit about how the factories work and what's happening new and material sizes. So the importance of interdisciplinary learning is, I think it's very important these days. Like you gotta understand how all these different things will be put together, especially when AI will be answering most of our questions going forward. Like we have a knowledge of positive knowledge. The cost of knowledge is going down towards zero and going forward. So what we will do as humans is like put these things together and make sure that converges to all these, you know, advancements or helping humanity. So I think that's what my advice is. I think that's terrific advice. I think that the thing that I will leave the audience with is that I think that we need to remind ourselves that generative AI produced information is not necessarily the holy grail. And, you know, certainly not today, right? And so sometimes, you know, it's, what is the trust but verify adage or whatever. You know, a lot of times I do queries or I look things up on perplexity or whatever else. And, you know, it's just an interesting time because you really have to work sometimes a little harder to get to the veracity of what it is you're looking at and figure out, is this 100% accurate? Is there room, is there some wiggle room here? Is there some bias here? I think those are the kind of things at these early stages that we need to keep in mind. Yeah, I want to just, this is an amusing quote from Grady Butch, who's IBM fellow.  Which is very cat key to the phase, right? So like, don't be fooled by the tool, right? So like, what it means is like, you have to know the context of what these tools are meant to be used. So the context is important.  So yeah, put your hours in, work hard, understand the domains you are in. Keep learning. Always, keep learning and always go to the history. Like I tell the kids when they go to colleges and tell them, if you really want to know, if you really want to excel in your career and whatever domain, know the history of that domain. Where does it come from? What happened in the beginning? It actually works like magic once you know. Here's your password. I think that makes perfect sense.  I love it. Well, Benny Junod and Sarbji Johal, thank you so much for joining me today. And I might not have mentioned that you both are members of our CUBE collective family of industry analysts and strategists and thought leaders and we are so happy to have you as part of that community. And this is a topic that I am sure we will be talking on for a long time to come. But thank you so much for joining me today. Thank you, Shelley. Thanks, Shelley. Appreciate it. Thanks, Ben.


Alright, alright. I'm gonna wait for some viewers. You guys might catch this live. You might catch it later on. First, good service here. And the wind is just brutal. Alright, we got a viewer. Thanks for tuning in. You just won $5 million hairs. Let's set this up. I am in Maine. We're in like a hurricane situation almost. It's blowing straight sideways here. Almost blew me over. Hoping you guys catch some of this audio. Connie Bennett, you won the $5 million hairs. Mike, at lunch, nice. Thanks for tuning in bud. I'm out here pan fishing in Maine. Again, I'm still in this crappy tournament. Today's the last day. I got the lead. Yeah, I should be kind of jumping around, but this wind has got me not wanting to move too much. I'm gonna check out the live scope. I'm on like a variety of fish right now. I've been smacking some stave and crappy. I probably, I don't know how many I got in the 15 range today. A lot. But I've been having to move for a minute. It's really, really difficult situation with this wind. It's blowing straight sideways coming out of the North Northwest. She's blowing a gale wicked. JJ, thanks for tuning in. Eric, when you coming to the West Grand, I heard it's a death trap this year. I might not fish it this year. I've been catching some fish on the regular today. Had a pretty good day. Real slow morning. And then I figured some stuff out and got on them. I could probably get on them if you had. But I had them coming to me, so I figured I'd go live. I'm on an undisclosed location in central Maine area. Fishing for pan fish include crappie, pumpkin seed, and big ol' yellow perch. Weather's pretty snotty. Nope, we got a fish underneath that's something real small. I'm gonna see if I can get a couple different species for you guys topside. That'd be kinda cool. This looks like maybe a bluegill. Looks like maybe a bluegill on the live scope. It's really hard to detect bites today. Fishing out in the open like this because the wind is just blowing your rod, blowing your hand, blowing the line. And you're trying to like hold the line still for a fish to get a look at the bait, bite it. And all of a sudden the wind just blows the line right out of the hole and you watch your lure come up like six inches in the water column. But hey, I'm out here fishing, but that's not complete. I'm stoked to be out here fishing. It's about 18 feet away right now, hoping I'm on his path. Because I'd love to put one of these crappie topside for you. They are just tremendous fighters. I'm in like 12 foot of water and they're spooling drag. Alright, there's five coming. The third one's the biggest, but since we're live and I just want to get something topside for you guys, I'm going to take whichever one comes in first. Normally I'll pick and choose. He's stripping drag. Yeah, we got one on guys. Pretty good crappie. He wasn't the biggest in the group, but he's a big one. He is pulling drag. There's a big old crappie for you. You've got him on an acne cast master around a master. That's a giant. Yeah, there's still a few down. If I was to bucket those fish or keep them each sideways, blowing a gale. I'm in central Maine right now. Easy, watch this. That's how hard she's blowing. I mean, I don't know. It'd probably be an awesome day if the wind wasn't blowing. So I'm guessing most of this is wind chill. I've had to go up to as heavy as three eighths for a crappie jig. It's just super heavy for you guys. I should be able to get you guys another bite in about, give me like a 10 second countdown. Does he see it? He sees it at least. Little guy. I don't even know this. It's a little guy. He choked it. I'm in a mess right now, guys. I got a mess going on. Just chilling that. The wind stopped for a second here. I might be able to get this thing retied. We're going to get it retied. I don't generally fish any meat, eyeballs, meat or worms or anything like that. Just because you don't really need to in Maine. And I like the artificial only. But this has got a little piece of lung on it from that last crappie. So I think that's considered meat. But we'll just leave it right on there. Give it some something to target. But I'm going to walk you guys through it. I got one looking right now. I got two looking. So usually when you get two looking, one of them bites. They're not having it. Got him. Got him. Feels like a decent crappie. He's stripping some crappie. Probably 14 and a half like this. I should be in like a wheelhouse or one of my huts or something like that. But when I'm chasing crappie and you got to be mobile, it's just really hard to sit in one spot, especially with this forward facing sonar. Like before that, I could sit in one spot, but with forward facing sonar, it's awful hard. Because when you're not getting bit and you're wondering a school like 50 feet away not coming in and just sitting there, you kind of have to go get them. So that's why I'm not fishing out of a hut today. But okay, so they're saying, you guys are saying the volume's tolerable. That's good. Cory's getting paid by the hour to watch me. That's awesome. I will take a small cut of that. Not much. Straight said ways. Kevin Ray, you are right. Good to see you on here. But Neil Pizza's heading the long pond in the morning. Hope the wind calms down. I think it is supposed to calm down a little bit. All right. So we got a chance at big crappie right now. We got a chance at pumpkin seed sunfish. And we got a chance at big old yellow purge. What do you guys want to see? Throw it in the comments. Which one do you want to see?  It's awful. And then when I get back, I'm going to check the comments and see what kind of species I'm going to catch. Fast. Nice. What's your PB pumpkin seed? Good question. Probably like, probably 11 I guess. I got one over 10 the other day in Maine. Pumpkin seed. Glad for live stream. Another Adonis if you could. Yeah, good idea. So awesome watching you fishing live stream. I'm hoping, I'm hoping. Big crappie coming in guys. He's like 20 feet away. So hopefully he stays on the path. He's got some small ones with him. They're coming in first. I'm just going to take whatever bites. All right. Let me drive a little coffee into me before they get here. In about 30 seconds, you're going to see me kill the messenger. We got a chance at one small one. He scared of me. Shoot. All right. Here comes one. Here comes one. You guys ready? You guys ready for this? It might be big. Oh, I pulled it right out of his face. That's a mega slab. Where's it to? It might be to. There he is. Got him. We're bent. We're bent over. This is where you can't horse them right here because I'm so shallow.  You just got to fight them out, play them out, let your drag do the work. Oh, it's a big one. It's a big one. It's a big one. Oh, he's dripping in my coffee. Don't do that. It's a big one. It's a big one. Look at that guys. Big old, huge-eyed, black-crappy, thick, well over two pounds. Right in that 15 range, I'll get a measurement on him. He goes 15 and a quarter. I'm just going to throw him back. I don't even... I probably shouldn't have that derby, but let's get him back, catch another one since we're on live stream. You guys want to see more fish, right? For me to enter in that fish dunk, I think I'd have to shut you guys off. So it's going to take a pretty big fish for me to shut you guys off. All right. We got crappie, 16 feet away, and I think they see me. Pretty clear. Oh, is that a pumpkin seed? Bite me a pumpkin. Oh, perch. Yellow perch. Coming in. Yellow perch. Be ready, guys. Got you a little yellow. I got you a little yellow. Be ready. Yeah, I told you. There he is. Little yellow perch. All right, let's get rid of him because there's some giant crappie on the screen. I'll mess around with yellows on demand. All right, throw him back. I got nothing under me, but about 15 foot away is the school of gigantic slab crappie. Let's get down there. Shoot, I took too long. They're going the other way. That's all right. I'll give us a minute to talk, give my arms a chance to rest. They're starting to get worn out. We used to catch pumpkin seeds as a kid. Never that big. Jeez. Yeah, there's some big ones in Maine when you target them. You won't catch brook trout because I'm not here. That's true. Yeah, that's true. Oh, good. Nice little tiger trout. Yeah. Do you think you're asking about a chair? We'll hold a 400 pounder. Yeah. I don't see why it wouldn't. I mean, it's over four. It might struggle, but I think you're good to go. Oh, we got something tiny. Could this be a pumpkin or a small crappie way up in the water column? And by small crappie, I mean like 12, 13 inches. Yeah, we got a looker. You guys ready? No bite. Can I get him to turn? He's already by me. I just blew my line out of the hole. You trying to mate with it or eat it? He ate it. Oh, I lost him. What? Dang it. All right. Now they're fired up. I can't believe I lost that big one. Shoot. Shoot. Not good, guys. Not good at all. I might get another shot at one in a minute. Come on. Bite it. I missed him. They're like, they're just pecking at it. But you got to set because it's like, it's so hard to feel anything in this wind. Missed him again. A couple of fish around at least. This is where a little meat might help, but we're going to get this next bite. You ready? Looks like I'm not playing tennis, guys, or a racquetball. It might look like I'm returning some serves, but these are little pecks, little hits from pretty decent size crappy. You know what? My lure might be hooked on the line because I normally don't fish with this fish. It was a risk checking it because I lost the fish. They went away, but I had to check it every once in a while. That happens. I'm glad you guys can't see the live scope right now because I'd look like about my first day fishing ever. The way I just missed those fish. But we're going to tighten up this reel. Tighten the reel, loosen the drag. And we got a looker. You guys ready? They're not coming in aggressive. Bite. Got that one, guys. Got that one. Could be a decent crappy. Oh, no! What is going on? Struggling in this wind. How can you tell what species? So I got a lot of time on this live scope and I have a lot of focus and attention on it. So I could tell one, how they look. Two, how they reflect. And three, how they act on the live scope. And I could predict it probably like 98% of the time to accurate. That's how many like fish I've caught on it and seen and how much I've studied it. So yeah, so it's pretty cool. So you can call your species. If you're trying to just catch crappy and a school of perch comes in first or faster, you could always pull it away from them. You know, it's a lot of fun that way. But that's how I do it, guys. Norden Adventures, Joe and Aiden. Thanks for turning it in. Got the live scope going. I do have the live scope going. Why did you give up tournament bass fishing, Christie? Money. Basically, I did it for my family and for my community. But it also cost a ton of money. It was crazy, crazy, crazy money. And I had a better opportunity with my family business and for the community to be a leader in the community. If you Google search, I did a podcast where I explained a lot of it. Eskimo Ice Fishing Gear has a podcast called, I can't remember the name on that one, but if you just Google Eskimo podcast, Joe Holland, it's a pretty good history of tournament bass fishing and why I gave it up and what I'm doing now. Have you fish in Maine anyway? You don't need that tournament bass fishing down south. You're right. I love it. I love Maine. I love, you know, I love the competition and the camaraderie, you know, of the professional fishing, but I don't miss the travel, I promise you that. All right, so no fish on the screen right now, guys. Good opportunity if you got any questions for me. I'll answer any questions or if you have any comments. I'm pan fishing here, Central Maine. I moved up shallow where I'm in like 13 foot of water. Absolutely smashing the crappy. I'm having one of, dare I say, one of the best days I've ever had. I don't know. It's so hard to say that now because I've just caught so many 15s this year, 15 pluses. There's a fish coming in at least. He's got about three sips of coffee away, so I got time. Wow guys, already cold. This fish does not look aggressive. I don't think I can catch this fish. He wouldn't come any closer with like 14 foot. I can show you Gunnersville. I fished Gunnersville, Christie. I fished four or five tournaments there. I took a handful of really good paycheck out of Gunnersville. I had some awesome tournaments on that lake. It's one of my favorite places for largemouth and spotted bass. Mike, have a good day, buddy. Thanks for tuning in. Are you on Andrew Skoggin Lake? Very good guess. Very good guess. We got a fish coming in. Coming in hot. Looking like you're crappy. Ready? Got him. I got the little one but two. I didn't eat all my dinner last night.  There's one little one. We'll show you guys that fish before I throw him back. Nice crappy. Down with one up with another. Nope, the other one said no. He went with him. I should have delayed before throwing him back, but I like to get him back in the water. You got that trusty thermos of coffee going. You are not kidding. It's a good day for it. I wish it was bottomless. Only 40 viewers. Yeah, not even 40. I don't know, man. I don't crush it on YouTube. I feel like I put out a good show and it can reach a bunch of people and stuff, but I just don't crush it on YouTube. I don't know why I don't have more viewers.  This one's my newer Stanley. It holds a lot more than my older Stanley, so I use it on days like this. But the older one probably works a little bit better. Got a bald eagle right over there, guys. That's cool to watch. Maybe I'll throw him this fish. I got a fish that didn't make it. Yeah, there's nothing on the screen, so feel free. Any questions? We've had three hard days of wind. Blowing straight sideways for the last three days. Been crazy. Well, it seems you'll have a lot more viewers shortly. Oh, cool. Thank you. One time it was like a lake hard to get to where you side scan the fish. You shot cell phone video. That was your best video, Christy. So you did a video one time. It was a little lake hard to get to where you side scan the fish. You shot cell phone. Oh, yeah, yeah. That was a bass video. That was my tell-all. That was a three-part series on how to use your electronics and back when side scan before forward-facing sonar. It was stuff no one else would tell you. And it was how I won a ton of tournaments in Maine.  It wasn't a secret to me, but everybody was keeping it a secret. But I thought I'd share it with everybody. So, cool. Thank you for bringing that up. Jake Hollier. Thank you for tuning in. I appreciate the support. When are you heading to northern Maine? I'm heading up probably next week. You do crush it, Joe. Don't leave me to the different old YouTube fishermen. I'll watch that. Thank you very much, man. I really appreciate that. Anything on the new camp during winter? Yes, I have a ton of videos. I have to upload. I just have not had time to edit them yet. CLIX. Yo, what the heck is this, bro? I don't know. I'm ice fishing. So if you're just tuning in, I'm ice fishing. It's blowing straight sideways. We've got a wicked gale force winds coming. Small craft advisory. That's why I'm using my bigger snowmobile today. And it's been blowing for like three straight days. We've got probably three inches of snow this morning, last night into this morning. But yeah, that's all I got to report. I've been smashing panfish today. Camera angle, the sky's nice work. Got the dogs wanting to run. See you. All right, Kevin. Good to hear from you again. Finally, Joe is streaming. Yo, sorry, bro. I like fishing too, yo. Cool. Awesome. Yeah, I got, I don't know. If you guys are just tuning in, what do I have? About four or five fish topside so far. I got one yellow perch and I think four. We've got something flying in. Crappy, I think. Be ready, guys. Ready? Bite it. Bite it. Bite it. Oh, I missed him. I missed him. They're just such light bites today. And I'm having a hard time feeling it. And this wind and I missed him. He just snapped it. I'm not, guys, that's 0 for 2 on this fish. Give me a third try, please. I will not mess it up in the third try. Little guy coming in hot. They're not super aggressive, but if they get any kind of volume as far as two or three together, then they get a little bit more aggressive just because they don't want the other guy to get their meal. So there's a bite. Got him. Got him. Let's see if I can get this guy topside.  So I give them a decent amount of drag. You have to be careful. Slam city, baby. Woohoo. I'm using a cast master, rattle master, in Wonder Bread. Glow Wonder Bread. Right there. There's a big old slabby crappie right there for you. Big eyes on that one. Gonna get that back. Nothing on the screen. I'll show you guys that one. So that's a black crappie. That's a black crappie. That's all we have in Maine. He's going right back down the hole. Cool. And that's what I've got. Man, if I had a counter for how many fish have come on this particular lure, not like the model of lure, but like that one, you wouldn't believe me. You would not believe me. I brought two friends out the other day, and they each fished from 8 to 230. And we took like a half hour, maybe 45 minutes, maybe an hour of lunch. And they each caught 250 fish. No word of a lie, guys. No word of a lie. I mean, I know it's hard to believe, but that's the God's honest truth. I got two guys that'll vouch for it. Good luck, Jill. Back to the bank. You need a fish finder to record your screen so we can see what you see. Yeah. I'm not quite that savvy with the tech stuff yet. My buddy, Nick Lindner, has all that stuff. And he fishes out of huts all the time. And I'm out in the open. I'm braving the elements. It's got to be super cold, wind chill. I mean, I don't know. It's blowing, like... It's got... It's like a sustained, like, 15 to 25. And there's been some gusts, like, probably 50, 55, maybe even 60. There was one gust that almost knocked me off my feet. It was hilarious. I hope I caught it on the GoPro. Yeah, the GoPro is still recording, too, by the way. But, yeah, it's been quite a day. So I think temperature is probably, like... It was, like, 17 degrees when I left my camp. I'm camping on the ice. When I left the camp this morning, it was 17 degrees at, like, 4.30. So I don't know if it warmed up or not, because it's hard to tell when the wind's blowing that hard. But I'm going to drink that coffee before it freezes. All right. Name a car for an edit. Name a car for an edit. Name a car so, like, ice cold, do you want a type of car? Name a car for an edit. How about a Yukon XL? Lower. The yellows kind of skirt the bottom. The crappies are usually up, and the bluegill are, like, in the bottom. I say bluegill. I mean pumpkin seed, sunfish. We got a really small crappie coming. You guys want to see a small crappie brought? I hope this is a pumpkin seed, but I don't think he is. I'm working one right now. It'll be a yellow perch or a bat. It's blowing straight sideways. This one's got teeth, guys. Going by the quick look on the life scope. We got a multi-species.  So I'm going to hook it up. Let's see what it is. Yeah, it's a little tiny cut-up topside. It's a little tiny hammer handle. All right, be careful. Be careful. I know what you're going to try to do. I know what you've got in there for teeth. There you go, guys. Little hammer handle pike. Look at how sharp those teeth are. Time to get back to the tree. All right, so what do we have? We have three species topside so far in this live stream. We might try to get a... There's one more catchable species. I like catching pumpkin seeds. All right, what do we got? I want to know what you feed your crappies in Maine.  It's funny how you're almost always bare-handed in the cold. I know, I am so lucky. I got my hand that's wet in this wind and I've got my hand on metal and it's like sticking to the metal.  You better be tough. So I'm going to try to get both on my checklist. It's a lizard. It was definitely a lizard. How are ice conditions great? Yeah, we're super lucky in Maine. Sorry, that's super lucky here in Maine. I'm going to try to move with him. We're crazy lucky here right now compared to other states. It's a really tough bad year for ice in general. But lately we're making ice every day and I think it's supposed to be really cold the next couple of nights into the single digits and with the wind blowing. So we should be making ice at least whereas a lot of states are losing ice. Did you do any deer hunting? Up to your camp last fall is zero, man. I just worked so hard on that camp and I had so much to do that I just didn't want to stop working. It was really cool.  They knew where the camp was and like a mile or two from the camp and within a mile he said he shot a stave and eight point buck just a beauty in it. I think it wouldn't have happened if he wasn't coming up to see the camp and meeting the audience and meet me so that was really kind of cool feeling. Nothing on the screen for fish right now, guys. I've been having a really successful fishing day by moving around and staying on the fish with a board facing sonar, like staying on schools and stuff. But to shoot this live video for you and really move around on a day like today it's just such a mess. But something on the screen now I got like a small crappie I think just saw me. Could be a yellow perch. I can't quite tell now but hopefully he bites. We've been live for about 40 minutes. We've got a decent amount of fish top side. A couple decent slabs.  But I think he's a crappie. He eats so light here. He's just so light. They just barely tap him with the outdoor wind conditions. It just makes it really hard to feel a bite right now. I should have brought the 2800 Eskimo but I'd be fighting that thing and it's hard to move around. Yeah, I think it's a yellow perch. It's hard to move around on a windy day like this. But yeah, the wind blew so hard the other day and that 2800 escaped that pop over. I had CJ in it. We had it hooked up to the snowmobile and the thing still blew almost away with him in it sitting on the chair. We had to screw it down. It was the first time I've ever had to screw it down. I did one of those popovers. That could be a pumpkin seed right there. I don't have the right bait on to catch them. The right lure but I'm going to try anyway. If you look, look at that. Just straight sideways. It's actually blowing up in the air. That's how hard it was blowing. But today I got two layers of Eskimo on. I got a flag chaser pants on underneath my bibs to pull over. I keep my hood on. I'll answer some ice conditions. Did you do any deer hunting? Bucketless trip to Maine sometime. Seven hours from Eastern Ontario. It's worth it. It's amazing. Have you had ice fish? Water with breadcrumbs or something? Barely ever fished in Kentucky. Yes. I'm using a light line because I'm fishing for pan fish and the water's super clear. They can get a little bit line shy and you can also feel your jig. The lighter line you go and small hits the lighter line. I've got nothing on the screen. I'm feeling like if I'm going to stay out here I'll be catching fish. I might end this live stream pretty soon, guys. But we've got 50 people watching. Stretch out a little bit or when was I born? How old do I think I am? What's your guess? We've got some crappy coming, guys. We've got some crappy coming. There's a leader who's good-sized, coming in fast and there's a giant behind them. I might just try to catch the giant. All right, get ready for this. I think we're going to hook up. I think I'm going to hook up. Yeah, we've got a school coming in. I'm bound to catch one, right? I missed them. How do you miss fish with three treble ones? The second one's the bigger one. He's not eating the third one, smaller one. Got him. Got one. It's not very big, but it could be a decent crappy. He's spooling some drag. Let's see if I can get him topside for you. Bite the elements. Yeah, it's not this big. What do you guys think of that one? Lippin' big and crappy. Big, black, crappy. Got that on the rat. Rattle master by cast master. I'm going to throw that. A lot of times I'll go sideways. Sometimes they'll sneak away from the school that you're trying to fish and you can catch more out of it. I'm fishing so shallow, I think the school knows exactly and they follow it and they're gone. For TV purposes, I should... We've got one coming back. We've got a looker coming back. I'm going to try and turn this again for you guys. There we go. That's a little bit better angle. Couple fish entering the chat. Not aggressive at all. We've got a look. You guys ready? You went right under me. Didn't even stop. A lot of times if you lift up and drop it like it's dying, it'll trigger some aggression. They'll try to get it before it hits the bottom, but pretty decent crappy there too. All right, I've got nothing on the screen. I'm going to take a swig of that coffee while it's still black and hot. Then I'm going to answer a few questions and see how we're doing on the live stream. Yeah, that goes cold, quick today. Nice crappy, thank you. The crappy not school. We're in smaller schools here. There's some schools that are huge, but for the most part, these are wolf packs of like six.  I'm on top of the ice, but you guys are actually sitting on my snowmobile. Are you fishing shallow at least to a deep basin? Yes. That's exactly what I'm doing. See map of what structure you're fishing. I'm just on the flat inside of a basin. I'm going to move in and for some feed. I got no how to look, but he's gone. Yeah, she's pretty rotten out here weather-wise. It's pretty ugly. If you haven't heard yet, she's blown straight sideways for the last week or so. I can stand up, stretch my legs a little bit. Holy cow. Eliza, hi, thanks for tuning in. The biggest fish you've caught today 15 and a half inch crappy on the bump board. Legit. Here's the live scope, guys. There's some fish coming in. You want to see what I'm seeing? That's my lure bouncing in the middle. Those are fish coming in from the right. They're coming in hot. Nice school of fish. We're bound to catch one of them. Hitting this. They're just packing at it. One fish left. These fish play out. It's so shallow, and they got so much fight in them. Yeah, that's a big crappy. But, jump! That one just barely, just barely ate the rattle master, but anytime you can get two thumbs in their mouth like that, it's a pretty big fish. But, yeah, there's the rattle master I'm using. That's a staven big main crappy right there.  Let's get him back. I don't like to keep him out of the water very long when it's the conditions are like this because their fins could freeze up, but it's not too cold, it's just the wind chill. So if I keep him out of the wind, it's not as bad. But, yeah, I'm having a heck of a day. I don't really count how many fish, but that's probably in the hundreds. Why don't you, what? How many of you caught today, Eliza said?  In that range. Eliza, wow. Slappy, crappy, big slab. Got him. And why don't you keep him? I'm guessing is the question. I do keep him. I do keep him and eat him. I like to throw the big ones back to keep the genetics in the lake and so that they grow bigger and other people get to catch big ones or their personal best and stuff like that. I'm fishing super shallow, Jason. Flat, out inside of a basin. So it's a big, huge shallow flat. It's 13, 12. Anywhere from like 10 to 13 today is where I've been focusing my energy and trying to catch these fish. Conditions are nasty. They're brutal. You guys have heard me say that a couple of times. We got another fish coming in. I cannot believe I missed that fish three times. Just nipping at it. Hooks are probably dull by now. I've caught... When the pressure is on, you've got to be able to catch those fish. Put them topside. Just missed one, guys. I hate missing one for you. Let me see some chat. The gritty. I don't know the gritty. Sorry. What is the gritty? Is that like a dance? Yeah, fishing. Ice fishing here in Maine. It's cold. It's blowing. I'm in central Maine on a lake with pretty clear water. Catching crappy that are moving up from a basin up into the shallows and I'm trying to mix in some other pan fish too, like yellow perch and pumpkin seed. It's slowing down a little bit. The wind actually just stopped for a second and there's not too bad a temperature out here. There is some sunshine. Feels pretty good. So I guess the temp isn't terrible without the wind chill. But you throw that wind in there and it gets pretty cold in a hurry. We got no fish on the screen so that usually gives me a chance to answer some questions or comments. Tonya West says you have an n-word pass. All right. You catch anything David says? Yeah, I put a handful of pretty sloppy crappy topside already in this live. I think I've caught, I don't know, seven fish, maybe six fish in this live. Maybe more. I lose count. Have you read Pat McManus? Yeah, I had. He an old outdoor life writer. Yeah, I really like Pat McManus. He's hilarious. Eliza, got to go by. Thank you. We're not going to complain about the ice we have because we're happy to have it. Let's just put it that way. It's not great ice everywhere but we're happy to have it. We're happy to have it. Shoot, that's crappy. Just slid by my DMs. Are we back? Let me know if you guys can see that because if you are, I'll show you this. I'll show you that big donkey that I just caught while we were offline. Get him back and try to catch another one. Yeah, as far as locations go, I don't always disclose them. I do if it's a lake or a body of water. I don't feel like I can hurt because it's already popular, well known and I feel like if I bring more pressure to it then I can't hurt it. But if it's a lake or body of water I could hurt it with notoriety and visibility online then I usually don't disclose it for that reason. And that's for respect to other anglers including yourself. She's blowing out of here guys.  This morning there was three inches of snow on top of the ice now there's probably not even an inch. It's all on one side of the lake. There's like 12 inches of snow over there and no inches of snow over there. It reminds me of back when I used to fish Lake Okeechobee down in Florida. Monstrous lake and there was actually a wind tide there. So if it blew hard out of the west all day the east side of the lake would be like instead of it all being three foot deep it would be five foot deep over there and one foot on the east side and you wouldn't even be able to get your boat up on plane. That's the story. It was crazy. So we got a snow tide today but we got some couple fish coming in some nice crappy. This could be could be decent crappy right here. They're small. We don't even want them. We're going to be a crappy snob. If it's not over 14 inches we don't want it. But if he bites I'm going to pull back. I missed one of five. That's just about an hour on the live stream guys. Oh man I got a stretch on my legs. Holy cow. Hey Joe, it's Xander from Xand versus well. Hey welcome to the channel. Thanks for tuning in. Maine, have you ever been to Moose Head Lake? Yes. I have several videos on Moose Head Lake. Brook Trout, Lake Trout and Cusk Fishing. So if you like Moose Head you can search through my old videos by the way if you guys didn't know that and see just type in Moose Head and see like a whole series. Every year I go to Moose Head at least once a year. Kevin Ray, good man. Thanks for tuning back in bud. It's blowing hard in New Hampshire. I heard New Hampshire has got some awesome crappy fishing. Cape Cod is throwing a fit. I bet it is. Yeah, I bet it is. But yeah, thanks for tuning in guys. I'm going to probably end this live stream so I can stretch my legs out a little bit and write my name in the snow. I'm going to show you guys if I can turn this. Can I turn this? Yeah. Look at how that's just blowing around my jet sled. My tote sled, my otter. It's making like a drift from blowing off of it. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, there it is. There's a life scope. It doesn't look like that from my point of view. Weird. That's the pistol bit I'm using today. Measure and board. Rods. I just set that down. It's already drifted over. Rod. GoPro. All the action so you guys can see the full video. Best part of Maine for walleye. Ed, there are no walleye in Maine. The state tried to stock them years ago and weren't successful. The local on Longpond in the Belgrade's stocked them and they were successful.  So there are no walleye in Maine. It's a shame. It'd be a great fish to have in the state but our state department is they don't see the value in them. So yeah, you won't come here for walleye but we have phenomenal crappy fish. What's this fish? Simslides. Great Simleys. I'll catch one more for you guys. This is Mike the Yellow. Alright. Livestream is not free. We got a crappy. He got that pretty far. Pretty small one right there. But yeah, there he is.  So since I caught that in less than a minute you guys got to hit the subscribe button or the like button or leave a comment or leave if you haven't already. I'm sure everybody has. My catch is big. What's your thought on the Ford Face Sonar and Baster on this? I don't know. I haven't really been following. I love it. Here's a little fish. He's got a little fish looking about to bite. Nope, he's too small. Get out of here. Get out of here. Come back. He's really small. Yes, I got all the species for the live video that I wanted. You guys lip pumpkin seeds? Beautiful. Beautiful pumpkin seed. He's probably 9. I'll put him on the bump board with his mouth shut. Yeah, he goes... He just touches 9 inches. So that's not a bad one for me. Big, thick one. These are just great eating fish. But yeah, so that's it. That's cool. I was able to catch them all for the live video that I wanted to. There's a big, main pumpkin seed. I'm going to try the Minnesota hold. Man, look at all the fish. I'm going to try the Minnesota hold for you guys. I've never... I've perfected this, but the guy's a Minnesota hold. There's a big crappie coming in. Big crappie if I can get him. Come on, bite it. Big crappie. Little crappie coming. I want the big one. Big crappie, bite it. Little one. Ah, the little one bit. There's a good crappie on me right now. Hopefully I can get one to go. Got him. Got him. This is a pretty good crappie, guys. Let's see if I can get this landed for you. Crappie right there. The 15 inch range. Look at that badonk right there.  Beautiful, giant, main, crappie. Thick through the back. Tall, tall fish right there. Badonk. Badonk. Getting them all on the gas master, rattle master. There's a nine inch pumpkin seed for comparison.  I'm going to let the crappie go. Pumpkin seed are delicious, and I got to get that entered in the tournament. I'll measure this guy for you. Yeah, he's 15. He's 15 at a quarter. We'll get him back so he can grow and get bigger. Thanks for tuning in, guys. Are you not entertained? Was that not an awesome, awesome live video? If you liked it, make sure you put a comment on the main video and share it with your friends. And that's about it. Nice fish. Yes, big pumpkin seed. Eleven. But yeah, I really appreciate all the support for the channel, guys. You guys are the best, the best, most loyal group on YouTube. So I really appreciate that. Appreciate the likes and subscribes, and I'm going to end this live video. Thanks for tuning in.


ing for me for the baseballs. I'd be like, we got to do this. Because guess what? No one cares about this week right now. The only people who care are the Mariners and Astros. Imagine if it was Wild Car Playoff Chains, Divisional Playoff Chains, and a trading deadline, you would take headlines of Wave NFL. Can you? Joe, that's what I'm telling you. So in that sense, I'm like, yeah, that sounds good. That's all I'm saying? Just get rid of it, right? But just for, like, once Playoffs, yeah, no more, obviously. Obviously, yeah. That's it, like. You got a lot of playoff. And it's not like, it's not like I'm saying, oh, the off-season starts, you can sign whoever you want. What's the playoff say? I'm not saying the Dodgers can sign and show it, and it starts game one in the end of the day. That's not what I'm saying. Oh, I'm saying there's no trade deadline for the regular season. Just do it. Because do you think the Angels do all that dumb stuff that they wanted, that they did? They trade for Geoedo and a Panic. No. It saves teams, or you can do the exact opposite of, like, we want to get this guy still for a whole half-season.  You can't tell me that there aren't 15 teams right now who would have taken Justin Turner. Yeah. You know? There aren't 15 teams right now who would have taken Justin Turner. Yeah. You know? You know? There aren't 15 teams who would have used a somewhat healthy Chris Sale. They would have absolutely done it. I'm just an agent of chaos. What can I say? Now, fix basketball. Fix basketball? Yeah.  Oh, I have the ultimate fix of basketball. It's not moral, it's easy. But it's, you know, it's a little sketchy, obviously. PEDs. Yeah. Let them use it. Because, again, I know people don't want to admit it. I'd say that. Most of the guys in the league are using something. I'd say that for almost every sport, though. Let them use. The body is, it takes so much of a toll just because you can run faster, jump higher more than any time throughout history. There are so many guys who are hurting themselves because they've been playing at this level since they were kids. Just destroying your body for 15 years. You know what I do? Let them use.  I sort of... Who cares? The hottest take would be, do it like English Premier League soccer. They only have... Oh, the academy teams, not me. No, no, no. In terms of scheduling. They only play one team each, home and away, that's it, once. Every team's home and away, that's it. Okay. So, if it's 20 teams, that's 40... 20 times 2 is 40, but minus the 2 because you don't play yourself. So it's a 38 game season. For the NBA? No, no, no. For English Premier League. So for the NBA, it's 30 teams, right? Times 2 is 60. Minus 2, 58, because you can't play yourself, right? Yeah. 58 games. Instead of 82, you spread it out. And then, nobody... No one bees out and takes a rest. No, there's no rest days. You want to see LeBron in Milwaukee? Guess what, LeBron is playing in Milwaukee because it's 2 games a week for the entire year. I think the... And then you load up on the playoffs. I think, first of all, I'd like to agree. 82 games is so long. For Hoops, it's... For Hoops, it's... Oh, my God. Hoops is easy, it's not. It's so hard. Basketball. You were talking about the dawn days of summer for baseball? I think the same thing for hockey, too. I would also stay one game moment away and flash that 80-game season into... I do think that you need to reduce the number of games for the NBA. But dropping it to, you said 58 to 24 games? Yeah, absolutely. You would lose a lot of money. The league would lose a lot of money. Yeah. Because it's just... No, I don't think so. It's all happening. I think you will. Because I think... I think it's more... I think it's more appointment-watching now. I think the Wyatt Game Experience for most people is dead. You go quality over quantity. And then you get more people watching. More people... More Tuesdays, and then you do more prime-time games out of that. No more like... No more like 12, 30 Sunday games that compete against football. But forget that. My personal problem with that is that you are taking out a lot of Lakers wins. Because I would love to see the record that the Lakers have playing in L.A. at 12, 30 on a Sunday. Because half the league gets so hung over when they come to town. That's the best! I do like that. I love that. But instead of having like a whole sleigh of Sunday basketball going up against football for at least three months of the year, three or four months of the year, no one cares about basketball until January. You know what I mean? But if you can make it matter by saying this is a prime-time game going up against Sunday Night Football. So when Sunday Night Football is shitty you can go turn over to Lakers Warriors. Yeah. And you know everyone's playing that game because they drastically reduce schedule and force everybody into it. And I do like your quality over quantity because with more rest obviously more time to like kind of focus in on stuff and practice in any session. Really I think the quality of... It's essentially just how good the basketball was in the bubble. That bubble basketball was so crazy, right? Listen, and then you could do like a BS mid-season tournament if you want it. Oh my God. The mid-season tournament is dumb. I think it's dumb. I feel a mid-season tournament that doesn't require all the teams, right? And then you could rest guys then and the mid-season or throughout the season tournaments like they do in soccer, you can do that as like rest games and then you still make up revenue because there's like 20, 30 extra games there's your 82 again. Yeah. So owners don't lose, but you get these cut matches like they do in England. Okay. So then you fill that in with that kind of tournament where you can play the young guys and no one expects LeBron to play those cut games and blah, blah, blah, blah. You see I like the idea of cutting games obviously but I always thought the number was just 70. You just cut out 12 games you just play 70 games. Obviously I'm too dumb to tell you where those 12 games go. But that's not for me. That's not for me to decide. I'm just saying 70 games. Just do 70 games. It's a good number. Is this right? I just like, you know, I like less games to stop injuries. You know what can I say? I'm a man of peace. We're cooking over here, man. Trust me. The league is listening to us right now. I'm not the pumpkin spice frosting. Alright Chris, FYI, if you put your Sorter's hat on, if all these labels are correct but they say random team instead of picker team, does that jam you up? Um, not really. I would just put a note. I personally would just be like, hey y'all, it's, when it says random team, I should pick my team. I'll just pick my team. Here's my other hot take and it's for all sports. Do you want to be an All-Star game? Yes, let's get it.   Pro Bowl, don't even get me started.  If you want to do, I just do, the MLB does it now. The all MLB team. If you want to celebrate like the first half of the season, yeah, do something. Give the players like a little trophy. I don't know, who cares. But the All-Star games, they suck. And fan voted stuff should not matter for no matter the sport. All-Stars should not matter for Hall of Fame consideration. It shouldn't. The only ones that mattered to me were the All-NBA. The All-NBA is like, oh, so you were one of the 15 best players a certain amount of times in the league? Yeah, you're a Hall of Famer. There are some people who don't think Paul George is a Hall of Famer.  The All-Stars is a so-and-so All-Star. Yeah, but it's a popularity contest. He's like a five-time All-NBA player. So he's one of the best 15 players in the league, five times. That means you're in. That's it. He doesn't play a lot of games. He's been injured a lot. I'm just using him as an example, though. I guess, though. Oh, he was an eight-time All-Star. That doesn't mean anything to me.  Especially in the MLB. When did that change? What changed? People used to like All-Star stuff. I really do think the... I think the All-Star weekend Especially for baseball, All-Star games used to be really great for baseball. You know what I think it is? No, I know the exact moment it happened. When the All-Star game in the MLB ended in a tie. That was it. And after that, you could never fix it. You can't do the... Whoever wins gets home-fueled advantage. That used to happen. Whoever won the All-Star team, that league got home-fueled advantage in the World Series. That's crazy. It's an efficient game. I can't believe they actually did that. It's also when Interleague started. Now you can see Ken Griffey Jr. play against a Dodger, you know what I mean? You can see it. And I think that sheathed the whole thing, and now it just doesn't matter. None of that stuff matters. MLB is going to go to an NBA-style conference. I feel like it's just going to be east-west and then divisions. I feel like that's going to happen. MLL might go away. Do you want to make the MLB All-Star game matter? It doesn't matter like the teams, right? Like, you can do... I heard the three... Oh, just do team cabins like the NBA does. They can pick their teams. But that doesn't matter. You want to make the MLB All-Star game really matter? Forget about giving it to LA for the city. Forget about giving it to Seattle. Go to a different country. You're going to grow in a way. Look at how successful the world baseball classic was. Do it like cocky.  Can you imagine like... Can you imagine your top American players, Mookie Betts, Freddie Freeman versus Acuna Jr. and all these... Make the world baseball classic just the All-Star game. Okay, see, that would be cool. But again, that stuff, it's just the voting thing. The voting thing to me does not matter. Like, the fans... Especially when the fans can vote like ten times... The fans vote for Paul George and All-Star eight times. Like, that's good. Yeah, that's fine. He deserves to be an All-Star in some of these years. But like... He played 56 games this year. Shouldn't he have been an All-Star? No. Because he played well in the first half of the season? No. You know what I stopped caring about the All-Star? Anything that matters the sport? Remember Brian LaHair? Brian who? LaHair. He was an All-Star for the Chicago Cubs in 2012. Let me see his face. No, I do not remember this. He was the Chicago Cubs representative for the All-Star. That's kind of a coach thing though, wasn't it? Yeah. A 7-8... This is... Let me read you his first half in 2012. They rewarded his first half in 2012 where he hits 884 OPS. 14 home runs. Wow. He was released in September. He didn't even finish the season. That was the last time he ever played Major League Baseball. I actually don't like it. An All-Star got fired. I actually kind of don't like that it is in the middle of the season. That bothers me too. By the way, that season where he was an All-Star, for the whole year. That to me is when I stopped caring about the All-Star game. Like, okay. I mean, literally literally a replacement player was an All-Star and he got released. Not optioned to AAA. Not traded. Flat-out DFA. No one wanted him. No one wanted him. He was an All-Star. That's when I stopped caring. It's hard to care when the All-Star is dominated anymore. I don't care that every team gets one. Every team should probably be represented at the All-Star. It's weird when there's no Tigers. Like this year, it happened this year. Michael Lorenzo was named the All-Star for the Tigers because they needed one. And he was the most mediocre All-Star of all time, they said. And then he got drew into the Phillies and he threw out no air. How old was that? And he's regressed back to the means, obviously. He's just like an okay pitcher now. But like, you can't not have a Tiger there. You can't not have a... The Oakland A's are the worst team in baseball. You can't not have an Oakland A there. Like Paul Blackburn has to be there. Yeah, I think someone has to be there. I agree. He's not there. But that shouldn't count. Paul Blackburn should not have that All-Star on his resume. It shouldn't count. You had to be... You are physically required to be there. You're not an All-Star. You can wave his hat. You can say hi to the crowd, but he doesn't get the All-Star bonus. Injure replacements and all that stuff, that shouldn't count. Sorry, Paul. Sorry, Paul, if you're listening. If you're going to be legally mandated to be an All-Star, that shouldn't count. You have to be either voted in or picked by the coach as a pitcher. Not like... It doesn't mean anything. But man, when it actually mattered and the fate of the World Series was in a team... Like I said before, I can't believe... That happened because of the tie. Like... What a drastic... I can't believe we even tolerated that for like a few seasons of it, right? It was from... I think the tie happened in 2006 in Milwaukee. The best part about it was Bud Selig was there and the game ends in a tie in the ninth and everyone just looks at Bud Selig. He's like, what do we do? And he could have made the executive decision like, yeah, just like play. Just keep playing until someone wins. I would say keep playing, yeah. That's not how it works. He's like... I'd just be like, yeah, just players you just subbed out, you know, they can come back in. You mess with schedule. You mess with everything. Guys that have things to do, they have requirements and contractual stuff to do after the game. I can't just wait. I have to go. It's just... And after that, they made it matter. His whole... He decided to make it matter. I'm trying to remember what it was. I think the one that mattered the most was I think 2010 or 2011. I'm trying to remember what the All-Star games were back then and just the winners in it. 2010... What's this called All-Star game? Yeah. The 2010 one mattered. It was like one of the only ones at the NL1 when it actually counted. And that was the main thing because it just... The NL gets home for the advantage and the Giants start Game 1 and 2 against the Rangers and win. They were like a wild card. This game is huge. This starts the Giants' dynasty. Next time I talk to my cousins or Giants fans I'm gonna bring that up and be like that one should be invalidated. That's not even the worst one because the next year the NL All-Stars win 5-1 and the wild card Cardinals the last pool holds Cardinals team that win off that Dave Fries home run or whatever that only happens because they win the All-Star game. It's crazy! It's insane! I can't believe we just forget about this. There was one Cardinal in the starting lineup. It was a mad holiday. Yadi is a reserve. I feel like we need to do a podcast where it's like, can you believe we did this? It's insane! It's insane!  The Cardinals had 2 All-Stars. It was mad holiday in Yadi and Molina. Pools isn't even an All-Star. Wayno doesn't make it. Chris Carpenter doesn't make it. Not even like Jaime Garcia who is good for a few seasons. That's a weird year. They weren't good. They were not a good baseball team. And yet they won the World Series. And yet they win the World Series because who is the All-Star game MVP? It's for the NL All-Stars, yeah? Who is it? I'm trying to think of who this is. It's Prince Fielder, a division rival. The team who won the Central. That's kind of wild. Prince Fielder helped the Cardinals win the World Series. He should get a ring. He should get a ring. Give him a ring. He goes 1 for 2 with a 3-run double, I think? It was a home run. 3-run home run. And that mattered. That actually mattered. Do they face any Rangers? Yeah. You know who gets to lost that game for the AL All-Stars? Texas Rangers pitcher C.J. Wilson. C.J. Wilson? C.J. Wilson gave up that home run to Prince Fielder and they lose because of it. Now that's a name I've not heard for a long time. He was good. A long time. People pointed at him as being like oh, four boy angels. They say they're one box brace, not two box brace. Come on, man. Now I've got to reprint those other labels. By the way, he was pretty good as an angel. Some people say he was like the worst... C.J. Wilson. That's pretty good. He was. I'm sure I've drafted on something into baseball. C.J. Wilson. C.J. Wilson gives up that home run to Prince Fielder and the Cardinals get a home foot advantage because of it. And if they don't, that David Freese home run never happens. The greatest moment in Cardinals history never happens. Pulse never wins another ring. Lance Berkman doesn't win that one ring, you know? David Freese isn't a postseason legend. Just because Prince Fielder hit a home run. You know what? I think we start a X account, a Twitter account. Prince Fielder deserves a ring. He does. Also, somewhat relevant to the 2011 season. Obviously, Matt Kim should be the 2011 MVP. Obviously. But not even for the main reason. The other reason is that Ryan Bond obviously finishes first, right? You know what finishes third that year? Prince Fielder! You can't have two top three MVP finalists as teammates and have one of them still win. That's bullsh... That's like... Prince Fielder deserves a ring from the Cardinals. It's like if Acuna wins MVP by like Matt Olson finishes third. Or like Mookie wins MVP and Freddie finishes third. That's BS. You can't be the most valuable player when your teammate is as good as you. That's gonna happen this year. It's gonna for sure happen this year. It's ridiculous. That was like my main argument at the time. How can you win MVP if his teammate finishes third? It's ridiculous. But also the counter argument is how can you be the MVP of baseball with your silent teammate and you finish at 81-21? Yeah. That was the big argument against him. Was that... How can you win MVP when you finish third in your division and you have a silent teammate?  MVP voting is still dumb. Yeah, but... There are some people who think choice shouldn't be MVP. But Ryder still follow you know these days follow like war and stuff a bit more which is a better overall in terms of determining someone's season. But there are seasons where they gave Miggie just because he won Triple Crown, which some statisticians say just means nothing. Gave him a Triple Crown and then like my trout season was like 2 more or 2 20 more better than... That trout rookie season is so insane. They just gave him to Miguel Cabrera because of just some like non-sanctioned awards. Trout should have like the thing is... He should have like 8 MVP. Trout might be... You know I like your argument but this is the co-facts argument. Dominance... A lot of dominance in the short period of time can still... So... Trout should have 8 MVP's because he's got what 5? I think he has 4. 4? He was second place for 3 of them so he should at least have 7 or 8 MVP's because he's not going to be the same player ever again from year on out. He's got 3. So now look at how many times it's MVP 2 on baseball reference. The only one that I will say like the only competition he ever had legitimately was 2018 because that Muggie Betts MVP season is insane. It just is. That's the only one I can kind of think of. Like he should have won in 2012 that's the one that Muggie used. By the way, Muggie stole 2 MVP's from him because he wins in 2013 too and 2013 I can kind of get because he leads the league in batting average, OVP slunging and OPS. That I kind of get. That was fine. But even then Muggie 7.5 war which for first basins is insane Mike Chow in 2013 8.9 8.9 and it's even worse the year before Miguel Cabrera he wins the triple crown in 2012 7.1 war Mike Chow in 2012 10.5 It is not even close but then he wins in 2014 and I think it's statistically his worst season ever it was the hey we messed up we messed up our guys left our bat second in 2015 that's the Donaldson one I think this one's bad too this is the other really bad one Josh Donaldson that was based off of this ridiculous September year we hit like 15 home runs he was awesome he still finishes definitely September play over the month he finishes still 52 OPS lower than him and 2.5 war difference that's a full another player on your roster essentially you know what the main difference to look at the RBI Joe look at he's got 33 or more RBI he's got more valuable hitter obviously better hitter better player baseball is so dumb alright I've gotten two orders in the last hour I don't think this mosaic is gonna go unfortunately I'll stick around until 11 I'll stick around later last 5 spots last 5 spots for the mosaic pack filler unlock 6 boxes from a fresh case of 2023 mosaic I'll stick around until 11 to see if we can get these 5 spots though we're giving away 10 free spots Colt's Lions Falcon's CX Times Raven's Eagles Jag's Butts the 12 teams so 22 spots sold we're giving away 12 teams and 10 spots in the pack tonight it's got a pretty good chance of getting a team here but gotta get it done 5 spots I got the case right here I got the pack right in there let's knock this one out y'all let's just get it done let's knock it out I don't think May's I mean it's sad let's not get it twisted what are we trying to finish off here tonight? mosaic 5 spots left in the pack to unlock a 6 box break first 6 boxes from a fresh case 5 spots left? giving away 10 spots do we have people in the chat wanting to do this? Chad Dahl was here for a minute he sells out in the next 10 minutes I'll pack stack it for you pack stack in the next 10 minutes give this a break down in like 10 to 15 minutes he says that'll help the night go faster let's get it done 5 spots left tag team in peasy easy let's get it done y'all I got the pack right here I got the case right here I have Joe right over there here's the hobby pack right here there's Mac Jones let's get this bad boy to the finish line why not right? let me get some water real quick let's get this one done this is different I haven't been a degenerate with y'all in a minute let's just be degenerate for one night right? 5 spots we're doing way the last 10 c'mon we'll talk football a lot of fun storylines the first ever minor league baseball it's let's hit some Anthony Richardson's top team in our giveaway let's hit some Jameer Gibbs some Bijan Robinson's let's hit some Jackson Smith and Jigba's some nice works on a few of these teams some big vets some stained glass chances some razzle dazzles on 11 I'm going to call it a stream but I want to knock this out if we can get it filled I'll stick around for it and so will Joe this season Freddy Freeman is getting closer and closer to this number Freddy Freeman getting to 16 goals he's number 8 on Briggs list most of that storylines number 7 I will add Wayne Brack to come on over we'll get in that bag Wayne will make one more appearance before this year ends when he hangs it up we'll be interested to see what he's up to number 6 I'm going to wait for the game to play look at what a guy has a chance Spencer Strider he's going to become the 13th actor for the 20 plus vets and he's seen this season it's hard to do no one does it anymore this young guy is one way away and Delacrers number 5 his final big league at bat for 21 seasons in the history of the sport the baseball world you need to say best there is a vault you know that it's the preface of a writing number 4 the biggest storylines for the regular season last week will a vault from the forward will clinch A-L-E in prime position to do it we'll be the first time they've clinched this division the most powerful division in baseball this is 2014 number 3 in Texas Rangers Bruce Boachy first year manager all the pedigree all the world titles in this first year in the Rangers last five spots by Marximo Zeig do-do-do-do-do do-do-do do-do-do-do do-do-do-do do-do-do-do do-do-do-do two and a half games initially fighting for two spots I haven't started cleaning up I'm making room in the trash bag the O's are going to win 100 games this season that's crazy they're a legit team and they just might be the best team in the American League and we don't talk enough about the O'Reilly it's not the best team worldwide but I know for the last few hours this season you get on baseball they're only a couple words back the O'Reilly players hope you feel the advantage our table is a big deal take a look at this the O'Reilly's they're all really great I think it's easy to knock alright two minute warning here folks five spots left in this one this this stinks this is the worst time one alright y'all I think unfortunately that's going to be it I think that's going to be it but hey Joe should hopefully have something fun to knock out I think that's going to be it I think that's going to be it but hey Joe should hopefully have something fun to knock out tomorrow when he gets in so keep him company treat him well treat y'all even better I'm going to I'm going to end the night thanks again everyone for rocking with me I'll be back next Monday five spots left knock this out for Joe when he gets in got a fresh case some hobby, HTA's and a team random so the six free spots the flawless R&B's got a filler for the stewards group two spots left full in there and eight spots left in the St. Seahawks Chargers group knock those out for everyone to have some fun tomorrow and for the rest of the week I'll see you then y'all have a good one, have a good week take it out


Lance Corporal Joseph Burke, 0-3-11, 3-1 kilo. I'm 20 years old and I'm from Post Falls, Idaho. The reason why I decided to become a Marine is definitely a lot of influence from my father. He was in the military, in the army. He was an infantryman as well, so all I wanted to do was be an infantryman in the Marine Corps.  I mean, there's a law going through my head, especially as a team leader because not only am I focusing on the other teams, watching them and seeing what they're doing, but I'm also watching my Marines making sure that they're doing their jobs correctly. And then at the same time, I have to focus on my own personal weapon to make sure that I'm also taking on the enemy as well. But through a lot of stressful training and going through those worst case scenarios, it almost makes it a little bit easier.


Yeah, it's tough. We need to come out and execute better in the first half.  So we have to clean that up. You're not going to put yourself in position to compete for wins if you're constantly shooting yourself in the foot. So it starts with me all the way around. We have to be cleaner as an offense. It's just the way the game worked out, I guess. I have to go back and look at the tape and the play calls. But we have a lot of confidence in Corey, and I know he can get open for us. So we just need to do a... I think he caught one in the first half, into the first half in the two-minute drive, actually. He caught a wrap force on the right side. So I got one too in the first half, but yeah, I mean, Corey's a good player for us, and he makes plays. He did some good things for us there at the end. I know if the ball goes his way, he's going to catch it. Yeah, it's tough. I mean, we didn't extend the drive because we had penalties and turnovers and things like that. So yeah, you got to be able to stay on the field. We wore our deepens out, I felt like, just because as an offense, we couldn't stay on the field. We kept putting them back out there, and that's on the offense. We have to be able to sustain drives, stay on the field, and put points on the board. We got off to a decent start there early, got down to field goal range, but after that, we really didn't do anything until that two-minute drive. So yeah, we have to play cleaner football on offense. Yeah, I was being really aggressive there. The situation in the game was probably obviously too aggressive. You know, safety was in a quarter's look, it was soft. I was thinking Khalif could bend it around in there in front of him. I knew it was going to be tight, but just being really aggressive with the situation in the game, and obviously too aggressive. Derek touched the ball on super efficient, and I know it wasn't easy, but... And then we looked at the first half stats, and he touched the ball twice. Can you understand the confusion over that? Yeah, I think he had some touch in the first half. They were big plays, and they got called back. So it wasn't like we weren't calling plays. We didn't have that many plays, and then the good plays that we did have with them, I felt like they got called back, had to go back and look and see exactly what happened. But yeah, I know we had some runs in the first half, had some opportunities, but when you shoot yourselves in the foot, it's going to be tough to stay in drives. He did a great job coming out offensive line, did a great job opening up those holes for him. Let's see if we can get him through the line of scrimmage, because he's a tough guy to bring down. So I think we saw that there at the start of the second half. We have to be more efficient earlier in the game, so we can allow him more carries. Obviously it's tougher. We want to be able to run the football, have a lot of confidence in Derek and what he brings to the run game. But sometimes that's the way the game goes. You never really know how it's going to go. You have a plan when you come in and how you expect it to go, but sometimes it doesn't work out that way. Can you talk about the outfits of production, first half versus second half, and what worked for you to build the longest place in the world? Yeah, we kept shooting ourselves in the foot in the first half. There would be penalties, turnovers. We weren't staying on the field. In second half, even though we were down, we came out with good energy, good juice, and marched the ball right down the field in the first drive. It was a belief on the sideline that, hey, we're going to keep ourselves in this game and have a chance to win it at the end. Obviously it didn't work out that way, but that was our belief on the sideline in the huddle. I think everyone kept believing and kept fighting, and so I'm proud of the guys for that. Did the pace help, do you think, going into quicker pace in the second half? I mean, was that a necessity, right? Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, defense changes when you're doing that when they're up two scores, so it's not just the pace, you know. There's a lot of factors that go into that, but I feel like our guys did execute well. We had some other guys come in with Taje in the back. Derek was coming from the backside. I just couldn't get back to him because I was getting that pressure from the edge guy inside. Couldn't stop and get it back to him. Tough coverage, the guy was waiting there for Adam, and weren't able to fit it in there. A couple of them that was just the flow of the game. You know, we knew that these guys were aggressive on the outside, and they made some plays on the outside, and we were going to have to take shots to back them up, and early in the game we got a shot down to Taje, I believe, right? And weren't able to hit it, but the guys all over him and we got the call. So it felt like, you know, the play to AJ down the right side, that was huge on third down for us, really got us going on one of those drives. But yeah, we're going to have to push the ball down the field to open up things underneath. That's going to be a necessity the rest of the year. Well it hurts, you know, especially how it went down. You know, we didn't, like I've said multiple times, we didn't execute, we didn't play well in the first half. We kept shooting ourselves in the foot, and when you do that it's tough to swallow.  I don't think it was any big adjustments, you know, we had some runs that we wanted to get called in that first drive, but guys came out and executed, you know, we gave Derek Kreeces. When you give Derek Kreeces, he's big, he's strong, he's tough, he runs hard, and he's tough to bring down. Off the line, got him through the line of scrimmage clean, and he was able to get through. You know, if we can do that any time of the game, you know, we're going to be in good shape. Thanks, Tom. Thank you.