What's your London breakfast and plus TV African thanks for joining us this beautiful day very first day in the month of September We have a zickel and yeah, I took us and standby to join the conversation a zickel. Thank you so much. We appreciate you every other time Thanks for having me. I consider the privilege to be here. My coffee is also here this morning I mean, it's good to have you in one piece all right, so as always We'll be looking through the front pages of a national dailies ad like to start off with the leadership Quite interesting headlines right here. It says no end in sight for pdp crisis as wiki IU returns to trenches really Okay, I mean that's how the leadership is reporting this morning wiki or tum others were kids when we found PDP IU is quoted to say it feels like what we hear our parents say all the time stop being power drunk respect Constitution on rotation wiki loyalists fire back Party wouldn't get reverse votes without reward That's what politics is about co care at 70 Jonathan northern governor's dogara lord bishop for advancing democracy diesel price to increase Uh landing costs we're looking at that's what the depot owners are quoted to say the landing costs might be on the rise and uh Kiyamoto koa president can delegate vp to handle security Wow president can delegate vice president to handle security But you know this or the issue once upon a time when the president takes off And who becomes the next income? I everyone expect that the president should well over time It's it's been long since the president transmitted You know power to the vice president every time has a way for official or unofficial duty lawanamechi orders Sean apc peace meeting with tunable That's what the leadership talks about this morning and uh flood 15 bodies recovered from medugri River that's what nema is saying uh tribunal sacks Bowery cancelled chairman orders rerun in kuje And that's the headlines on the leadership Let's go over to the the nation you see but this morning with the following headlines The paper gives attention. I think there's a reason why the lead the nation is always talking about a pdp crisis for the past One week it's the pdp You want to tell me pdp so but that this is what the nation is is is is doing Um with its headline the big one there pdp crisis a iu hits wiki or tom mackin the Iqbazu These are wikis men. Iqbazu has been chilling in but I could for some time now It says through that headline with the writers They are nowhere when we form pdp Rivers governor demands state's stake in party mimiko duke adoke gana accused of fueling crisis nwc to meet benwear or your enugu abya Acquirable governors and what what the papers are saying are you of course made a point that? He will not step down He will not step down saying where were these people when we formed the pdp and um, they are children You know as far as uh, their reactions are going that they don't have a good grasp of what is happening in the party But they are calls for him uh to step down He went on to say in that interview even if he spoke to bbc houses service even if he steps down Those who are clamoring for him to remove they will never be the ones to produce his successor now the the pdp Spokesman in river state Some days ago gave an interview where he said that uh, are you ought to step down? So the national vice chairman of the pdp south will take over so it's interesting times to see What happens to the party going forward? But it seems that they are they are reports that Iqbazu has been advised to cut his losses and forget wiki Seeing that he may not really have The truthful Mind to to make peace with wiki. It was a gentleman's agreement that none of the port sides will Will not make inflammatory statements in public, but it seems that has not been honored So we'll see what happens going forward more from the the nation this morning Investors maintain 4.5 trillion now gains for eight months and the rider to that says 28.3 billion are recorded as net loss in august not too good news Getting used to this these days as far as the economy is concerned efcc Proving down for a governor for alleged money laundering. I carry the law accuses federal government of bias in tompolos pipeline contract The paper has more headlines buhari governors kalu others greek kuka at 70 Some people have been commenting on that as well, you know, I've seen for other politicians to reveal their real age Let's go on okara lego's ban Phase two enforcement kicks off. We hope that there will be no violence with this one And aviation fuel price hike may affect our operations. See as wants that is Really worrying. This is the chief of air staff. So the thing is is is getting more dangerous He's seeking import license and depot establishment. All right. We need to look some more into that 2035 fossil fuel deadline will hurt economy says a manufactures association of nigeria some of the headlines on the front page of The nation and the paper didn't waste any time to put a front page picture showing Bishop Matthew has some kuka We in the same in a photo with them the governor of lego state and the apc presidential candidate But interestingly dr. Goodluck jenathan from a Nigerian president is also in that picture. So maybe the paper saying two days Back to back jenathan and timbu together. All right, go to the nation newspaper move on Well, that's it on the nation, but we also have the daily sound newspaper here.  And those calling for my resignation are kids. That's what the pdp is quoted to say or pdp chair I beg your pardon. I mean, that's how you now tellings we kid that, you know Well, do you know who I am? Nobody can threaten us rivers governor is quoted But if you look at the issue of contention here, and then that's what we constantly talk about internal democracy in our political parties And because if you have political parties where internal democracy does not thrive what becomes of the larger society Another caption says resolve us to strike down obi tells federal government that speed I'll be how I settle for month crisis jonathan Nance accuses lecturers of plot to destroy public varsities article tambour well pdp challenge we case case hearing fixed for september the fourth maybe that was the reason why You know the very Green, you know suits was very obvious everywhere great tie wonderful hat, you know Okay, energy transition plan vice president the pats for the united states amid Kamala harris and world bank group Emeritus states or install flights operations and legals That's very good for nigerians nigerians or revenue down 28 to 799 billion and the first quarter of 2022 That's what the central bank of nigeria is saying. I like one selection observers against late application Buhari to a term I never ordered security agents not to touch full anikila headsmen okay Governors sgf carlo hails bishop coca as he turned 70 apc wounds gets 25 percent in most states. That's what the pdp is saying Okay What the headlines on the daily sun newspaper? Let's go over to the last paper we have on our table this morning This happens to be the punch newspaper and it's also staying with the 2023 presidential elections And this time the lead story focuses on the apc presidential As far as meeting that was meant to hold in a pooch. The headlines for the papers may be somewhat Dismissing I'll be interested to see what I guess things because what we told the report we told is that the meeting was called by the the one of the presidential candidates Dr. Felix who was the youngest apc presidential aspirants rather and he called that meeting Later to send a text message of aspirants in the meeting had been postponed but some people feel this is because the the The aspirants were not showing When commitments to holding that meeting the president the vice president had already traveled Out by 1 21 a.m. He was climbing Bought in the presidential jet or vice presidential jet to united states of america for i'm sure and already shared a whole meeting So such a meeting holding without vp may not Be without good. So it might still hold but this is what the paper says 2023 poll apc presidential aspirants shone A boja meeting the writers apc presidential Primary co-contestants should not be ignored says aspirant and timbu shatima unaware of meeting says campaign team Uh, or shiba joe jets out to united states All right, so that's that more from the paper banks assets rise by 22 percent now 65 trillion era I won't allow anyone to stabilize pdp. Are you? 265 million dollars emirates makes u-turn tourism flights. It's very good news. Maybe Uh, I guess we'll tell us more about that name terrorism sponsors oil thieves will be tales federal government Um strike asu welcomes governor's intervention wants sincerity strike asu welcomes governor's intervention wants sincerity Uh cookout seven nigeria derailing needs right leaders says jonathan Nigeria records 1.7 million rights violations children worse hit. It's a warring statistic there EFCC res 13 illegal banners impounds five trucks and 32 states fail to attract investment in q2 Let's now welcome Ezekiel and I took a guest this morning to give us his thoughts on the papers What the papers are saying and what we put out? Asked the headlines this morning. Um architect. Yeah, I took good morning to you. Thank you very much for your time Good morning, and again, thanks for having me. All right. Let's start with the the punch and um the the seeming shunning of a meeting called by uh, one of the presidential aspirants for the presidential aspirants or former aspirants on the platform or the apc to put their heads together Do you think from the information available that they shunned the meeting because I'm told the man Sent a message around to them on the day of the meeting said it had been postponed Do you think that they are unwilling to to come together should we read so much into this? Okay, um, I was once the secretary of the aspirants forum When I contested the governorship in 2007 that was the first time um and when you don't get the ticket and you are You you get to form a forum of some sort You are either sent by the The man who's won the ticket and it's like please can you help me get people together and let us run with one voice? or you are Being ignored by the person who's got the ticket and then you are Asking your other people to come together and let us try and let's put some threat to him to say Look, we had a lot of support base if you put it together You better just take us into what you are doing because if we don't come together and work for you And we choose to work against you, you know, it's going to be difficult for you So it's either you are trying to threaten the person or you are trying to work for the person Now if you're trying to work for the person the question is why would the candidate Want somebody else to call? The people his other in a fellow aspirants for him It's not likely if he's favorably disposed to working with the aspirants He's going to like say get across to them and the aspirants will be only too happy to be called by the candidate to work for them Usually it is the other way They feel ignored by the candidate And they feel they've spent so much So they would like to get something back from the candidate At the same time the candidate is so pressured by what he's got to spend for the general election So he's trying to say guys, you know what let's just work together And when we get the government we can now be accommodated And these aspirants are saying we've seen this before man Once you get the candidate the government we can't even come close to you anymore even as Former colleagues so to speak so I foresee a situation where These are aggrieved You know aspirants and then they feel ignored Or they've meted in demands for a certain amount of what they invested to be returned to them And usually those claims are Outrageous, you know a guy would tell you that you know of my primaries You know, there are different categories like I'm running the governorship of my state today And out of where we're supposed to be 18 political parties You always have what you call the contenders and then the pretenders As are today. There are some maybe about Three four parties are being heard in my state, you know, and um, obviously mine is one of um I have no problem. No cuts. No missing these know that I'm just I'm just as cool as can be Anyway, so there are some names you haven't heard at all And then you you you win and then they're asking you that we spent, you know 500 million we spent 800 million. I know that's just absolute boncombe. So how do you start to address that now? these false claims against how much you have to spend and you know within the context of what you have makes it almost You know conventional for the The candidates to seemingly ignore the aspirants and giving them just let's work on hope I think that what must have happened is that These people feel aggrieved they feel ignored They want to put a pressure and use that pressure to mount on, you know, the candidates to take care of them before time And you know, if you know Bola Ahmed, you know, go very well He is he's he's he's he understands the game So what is going to do is going to be even if they were maybe 10 is going to pick the top three privately Directly indirectly and take you of them and those are the the wind in the sale of the aspirants Take off the vice president telling you can't be part of this at a time like this.  Have a deal. We have an understanding with the you know Amici and then when you call a meeting and the top three outside of the winner is not available The meeting looks weak and then before you know, there's nothing to write him about I think that the guy The handwriting and then called off the meeting. Yeah very quickly Before we go to the next up and headline with mercy So I was saying that Teenable is is is going to deal with lawan. It's about the top three top four of the aspirants who came behind Teenable in that apc presidential primary that Maybe the travails of lawan may not be unconnected with them Teenable came up the winner that maybe he will not forgive them Those who challenged him Especially if you look at his speech at his victory speech of the apc presidential rally at ego square You know some things he said when he addressed lawan, you know, so I know you you watch that speech And so do you think that we should take all these for granted? You know, you look at the case that lawan is facing with machina. He's um So-called placeholder in in in yobes state in the senatorial primaries There are many things in that speech that we should probably just leave it for now because The there are many things I question not just what he said But how he said what he said and things like that and I'm sure that you won't want me to go into the details Very see politics is a very complicated game Very technical that is being analyzed by people who don't understand the rules of the game every game has its rooms You know, there's a lot of like when you read a lot of things in the social media You know, there's a lot of very intellectual analysis and discusses and In politics lines are not always straight Sometimes you plant certain things.  We work for you So if he took care of you also take care of us So one of the things to do is you can have a kind of um an understanding that you take care of me But you see we're going to fight in public But you see the fight is not such that it's going to enjoy you that is one The second part is somebody who's made an impossible demand You do everything to please that person and the guy is just not not listening to you And has even threatened you and you like if I become a president this guy is going to be a problem to me So what do I do? I go out of my way to make sure that I I make sure he does not get Whatever position he needs to I use my office my position my disposition all in my within my ass now to stop the person So you need to know the relationship between lawan And um tinubu at this point in time which of the baskets of the strategies and the games of politics they belong So don't be too much in a hurry to draw certain analysis, you know conclusions politics is very very complicated And and you know tinubu is trying very well because I I tend to give credit more to the northerners who are more politically serving that we are more politically intellectual and you know Things don't always work like that laws are laws rules are rules and politics is a game that has its own rules And you play by it, you know one of the one of my closest friends, you know in the north, you know I would say my political godfather so to speak, you know He said politics is the only game that hates you win Tail you win depending on if you understand the game, you know, so Let's not be too intellectual in analysis of what is going on because what is behind is always more than what is in front in politics All right, then let's take a look at the daily sun newspaper Same also with the leadership. It talks about the crisis that's going on with the pdp. Are you We k trade wards and he says those calling for my Exonation or kids. That's what the pdp chair is saying Nobody can threaten us in river state But I want us to see now the leadership says that no end in sight for pdp crisis As we can are you returns to trenches? I mean, of course having exchanging those words now But my question to you is that the concerns of you know We k Do you think that they are really really, um, you know rational In terms of you know the party constitution and all this going on you you have a chairman from the north You also have another presidential candidate and what have you do you think that it's his his concerns are very valid and rational Yeah, let me is another, you know, I've been the national chairman of the party before Another issue that we are discussing deliberating without understanding is how party politics works As I gave kudos to um to uh, a large article, uh, not article that ashiwaju I am really so surprised really surprised at how Um, a large article is taking this whole thing. I can't I've tried to know wrap my head around it I really can't for one two three reasons number one is that For whatever it is worth you want to have peace for you to campaign You know, there are two there are two seasons in in in politics the sitting Just before campaigns before before before election, you know, you have first part of getting to the primary Before you get to the primary you want to control the structure of the party So that you can win your primary The moment you get the ticket of the party You can run independent of the party It could be dangerous. You are better running. You are better of running with the party But sometimes the party puts such weight and load on you that you can run independent That is what jonathan did when he created tan Rather than work with the the machinery of the party He worked with the machinery of tan and there's nothing wrong with it You can set up instead of a local government chairman or the chapter chairman You can have a chapter coordinator a world coordinator a unit coordinator You can use that of the party can use that of your own independently. Why am I saying this? I expected that For whatever it is worth that a large article will bend over backward and just Seal a deal with wiki in politics. It's about negotiation. You've got to win some you've got to lose some, okay? It's only when the person becomes Impossible that you now go to plan b plan a is always reconciliation Now come to the national chairman where he comes from where he doesn't come from again We are acting based on abysmal ignorance and You know, you know, uh, what do you call it assumptions that do not apply? I'll tell you how it is Offices within the party are zoned north south Okay, and if you are giving your national chairman to the North for instance The best you can have is the deputy national chairman Holding place in the absence of the national chairman You can't elevate the deputy national chairman to make him a substantial chairman because the position of the chairman is for that zone It's happening in in my state You know where in my party the state chairman Was from Uyo senatorial districts while the deputy is from Iqa Depende senatorial districts Because of how close it is to the elections because the the state chairman came to compose a contest So the position is vacant I cannot make we cannot make the deputy national State chairman to become the substantive chairman because that belongs to another senatorial district In that in that of the national is north south So what you can do is prevail on the party for the deputy national chairman to whole fort Whole fort while, you know till the election is over. Okay Now that will be on the condition that the national chairman himself decides to step down If he or is removed if he is removed Still you cannot make the deputy substantial because it is zoned to a particular area You have to go to another convention and get another person from that zone and that's complicated In a situation where are you says i'm not going to step down? I want to remain It does not stop you from running your election And by time you remove the the chairman to put another person Then you are probably going to create problems for the man who is Contesting and the man in the eye of the storm right now is atiku and not wike Wike is a politician who is trying to get the very best and he's entitled to it It is his right. He can say I don't want that man, but that's how far he's going goes He has to go through the national walking committee or the national executive council to be able to get them as an individual He cannot prosecute that unless he goes to court and the court gives that injunction And I don't think any court would do it But this is where my worry is I feel really really embarrassed that Are you the national chairman will make the level of the sort of Childish pardon my language comment that is making how can you call a governor a boy? How can you call a man like donald duke a boy? I want to ask where was are you when pdp was in crisis and nobody could be seen Nobody could fund nobody could talk except one man wike They should give wike. I don't agree with some of the things that wike is doing better should give him the credit He can't come and call him where where you when we formed the party. Did you really form the party? I want to ask him. Where is the in the first? you know Dr. Alex Equeme is is is is is late now, but the first secretary of that g 36 I think it was 18 or 36 the first secretary is still alive Where is the man today before that man is are you a boy or a man? So don't don't don't don't don't paint people that are Governors or elders of the party. I started with the pdp So I can say this that But we're just a quick one now. It's a continuation of your thought pattern We're talking about a tiku and we're talking about wike and are you and following the development That's a hearing because wike has actually you know filed a case shoots in court asking that A tiku will be dismissed as presidential candidate or sacked as presidential candidate He said he's he was not behind the suit. No, no publicly. He said he said he's not behind He doesn't know anything about the suit. How can he say? I mean, but this is what we have now These are the issues and then secondly on the other because I don't know who's reported If you look at all the reports and and and the news you have Him there's going to be hearing. I think on the 14th of this month It's going to be a hearing on the particular case even though there are cases where I mean orders have asked that this case be Twisted and be dismissed entirely But he's also publicly said that he is ensuring that the structures of the apc are demolished and his actions You know one or the other time It's not really In consonance with the things that he's saying I mean, what do you make of this behavior and the pdp? One would think that the pdp is an opposition a big opposition And then they should have understood the times and ensure that there are no frackers in the party Especially ahead of the 2023 election. But of course you have all the political parties if if you were A very serious christian that is against any form of deceit either in spoken word Or by action Do you understand me you will hate messy on the football pitch because he makes you feel he's going this way And then you want to go he goes the other way. So he's like he's deceitful So a christian those very tight christians can feel this guy is he's not truthful He's not honest. He deceives people So and the person will be right But you know that that one and now waiting for bobby You understand me What wiki is doing wiki is because getting skilled In politics and politicking.  He knows that You can't put all your heads in one basket. He knows that these guys are coming He's getting a lot of intel. So he's putting himself in a situation Did you see today apc will come and you know address him tomorrow? He's become a maker of some sort as you think of pbp. He's got to think of his life He's going to talk to think of his party his future. He's going to think of his state and his stake wiki does not want to be a national these At this point. He wants to be the king of river state He has a man that is looking over his shoulders in the person of amici Can you see what is going on in a apc in in river state? wiki has got his hands. I just say this with every sense of response.  You may not understand this But if you were in akwaibom, you can wrap your head around the fact that akbabio is in apc because akbabio is pdp Everything about akbabio everything about pdp. You can trace it largely back to akbabio. Do you understand me? But he is not in pdp He's in apc and don't be surprised that he wake up tomorrow and they say well the guy has come back to bdp You get the point. So for them party is just vehicles. You want to go to abuja. You can use any airline You're in legos You can use any airline important things you want to go to legos and then somebody says oh you've been flying a dc You're not a dc now a dc is later You've been flying a was a ebom air ebom air. Why are you now going to a rick air? And you're like bros. I won't go legos. I'm not a shareholder in ebom air. We're just I just patronize them Nobody is a shareholder in any party. They just patronize a party to take them where they want to go That is why article has been apc article is in pdp. Look at what has happened in cano Shekarao in how many months apc nnpp pdp and who knows it might just end up in a dc any of these days So you need please don't kill yourself We don't No, relax and watch these people Important thing is what is your own interest? Who best serves your own interest? Stop playing other people's game and start to play your game and that's what I tell nigerians Stop bothering about what wiki is doing wiki is playing his game and you're busy losing your What you should spend your time doing as a nigerian is of all these people Who best serves my interest if your interest is in education your lecturer or Within the academia who is giving you the sound bites that make sense All right We have to move on quickly architect is Interesting interesting points you've made but you know when I went when people sometimes will say well What kind of what interests are we talking about is a personal interest political interest or national interest and most times Nigerians will say well they want to see More of national interest being their number one reason why people do what they do not personal interest financial interests or political interest And so let's see how it plays out, but we have Headline on the front page of the leadership which I think you love to speak about which um has to do with uh What shatima said the vice presidential candidate or running meet on the presidential ticket of the all progressives congress He talked about himself as vice president taking charge of security in the country And some people have been upping arms in reaction to this One of those was uh governor ifa yokoa of the pdp who incidentally is uh shatima's Counter part or rival in the pdp He's of course doing what he has to do But um festus kiamo has replied ifa yokoa who has been talking a lot recently He also had to say some things about tempolo. Well, this is what kiamo says president can delegate vp to handle security Your thoughts please Yes, of course the president can delegate anybody to handle anything he has that constitutional right prerogative power And whatever you can call it but You know, I don't know if I know that the memory of man is treacherous But I don't know if shatima really believes that Nigerians forget too too too soon If I were him He speaks very well at the nba. He came across as somebody who is articulate and things like that If I were him, I will do everything humanly possible to avoid Being linked to security I will Because to a great extent true or false the insecurity of Nigeria today is being traced right down to him to a great extent Speculation it could be so why don't you just avoid that topic completely? Talk in terms of what you can do. Why would you want to? tell me that Nigeria would want to entrust you with the security of Nigeria Haba Haba I think Mr. Tunibu Should have his strategist tell him that you know This guy shone brightly at the nba aside from his dressing anyway, but I don't know who am I? I'm an old man. Maybe it was a new fashion sense and at 58 probably not as current But aside from his dressing He sounded quite articulate and pretty impressive So why don't we look at roles within that area that Nigerians can be distracted and they will look the other way Why would he of all people come to talk to us about security? I think that guy she does rely on because Let him do a Opinion sampling And get to know what Nigerians think of him and security That's the advice I would give whatever is the result of that poll they should take it religiously We need to go now Mr. Kanya, I took thank you so much I mean it feels like we should continue this conversation But time is not our friend at this point.  Maybe he really had that But you know, but this is one thing I just want to say I mean No, I needed to know if it was, you know, how you Hit somebody from the other side or it was a fact So I was trying to look at your face and see if you were making fun of me or you No, no, no, no, no, he meant it No, he meant it. I mean coffee will mean it when he says that he means we look up to you so, you know Well, I just hope that, you know, all of the eloquence that we're experiencing with some of these candidates and people because that's not it We have seen governors. They're very, you know, eloquent. They sound very intelligent. They are very smart But that hasn't translated to development and, you know, We are 20 But but you but you also understand where I'm coming from. I mean, we we know some of this But nothing to show for I know message referring to all the candidates, so let's leave that That's how much we can take now. Thank you so much. It's a kind of I took we'll come back to you next week. Thanks. No more What a pleasure and privilege. Thank you Well, that's the size of the press quite interesting mess. We came with a zika and I took every other time And we will definitely return with uh off the press tomorrow We'll take a breakdown when we return the time for us to look at that first major conversation above just before then Let's tell you what happened today in history the first day in the month of september


t least on a GB basis. Actually, there were good arguments for saying that schedulable generation within Scotland is important in terms of, for example, dealing with extreme weather events and the possibility of needing to black-start the system. Schedulable could include hydro, could include interconnectors using the right kind of technology, it could include another kind of nuclear plant, albeit with much less degree of flexibility. It might include CCS. Black-start could be achieved if it happened to be wanted to do it on a windy day, and it would make use of that. It gets a little bit more complex to think about what the right investment strategy is and the right mix of technologies is. Would anyone else like to come in on that? I think that Gina Hanrahan. The current power system relies on 35 per cent nuclear generation in Scotland, and that has increased as other coal plants have closed. I think that the assumptions are that those will—I am not sure what the retirement lifetimes are of those, but I think that we are relying on those for most of that period in the climate change plan. Nuclear plants have been given lifetime extensions, so there is maybe a rather hidden reliance on— Is that a 27-year plan? Yes. Can't remember when Torne S is supposed to go 20-30 years. 20-30 years. I understand that we would have gone before that. I suspect that the assumptions are for continued operation of both plants out to 2030 and the lifetime of the climate change plan. My understanding is that the CCC scenario for the power sector for Scotland, which was produced in its March report, assumed nuclear phase out by the early 2030s by 2030 and showed that Scotland could remain a net exporter over the course of the year. We, as WWF, unsurprisingly don't support the need for continued or new nuclear beyond that point. We have an evidence base that shows that Scotland can play to its renewable resource strengths as part of a GB grid. Integration is critical, and grid reinforcement to deliver that is absolutely part of the picture, along with demand reduction, flexibility and storage. There are a plethora of different interventions that we can make to ensure that we deliver security of supply, and it shouldn't always be generation first as the principle that we operate on, particularly given what's happening around Hinkley, the price that's been awarded to it. We certainly should not be banking on delivering new nuclear for Scotland or life extending forever. We don't need to. I think that if there are no further questions from committee members, that's the conclusion of this session. Thank you very much to all of our witnesses for coming today, and I'll now suspend this sitting and we'll move into private session. Thank you very much.


The final round of the season-ending event on the Asian tour in 2023 got started under perfect sunny skies and the Saudi Arabian capital of Riyadh Jinichiro Kazuma had plenty of highlights all throughout the week So why not add a holdout bunker shot at the 15th to that list of 67 for Kazuma to end his week in a share of fourth alongside Tai Titan, TK Chantananuat, a back nine of 31 propelling him to a closing round of 66 Travis Smythe ended a brilliant year of golf with that birdie at the 15th good enough for a top three finish and the Iceman Henrik Stenson had the putter heated up as well 600 power in his last 10 holes for a solo second finish Denwit Buribunso however would not be contained this was a third birdie in a role to start the back nine for Denwit Patra Kongwatmai needed something special to pressure the teenager and he delivered some of that diamond magic knocking the flag on the 15th on route to a birdie but pressure from his young compatriot forced the hand of Kongwatmai this a clumsily played chip shot from green side at 17 ultimately ending his chances with a round of 70 and a tie for fourth Buribunso afforded himself the luxury of boging the final hole to win but why not end it in style a sublime second shot setting up an eighth and final birdie of the day wins in Dahram Bangkok and now in Ria to cattle a tremendous three-week run for the teenager he's your winner of the Saudi Open


And one thing I didn't mention about Kimu Tetebukuri is what kind of people we have on board. And one fairly interesting and unusual aspect, which I'm quite proud of, is that we cover a wide range of age group. And included among our members are a lot of teenagers, many of which came through one of our sub-projects which we called the Linux Blonds, Linux Blond Dtsi Suomixi. The idea behind Linux Blonds is that there's no dumb question about free software, about Linux, and about using free software and adopting it. Actually, yeah, she is here. One of our youngest member here, Nino Yonkunen, is sitting right here.  When we met at Fedox Day here in Helsinki, I think it was three years ago, or how old were you back then? If I remember any how, she was 12 at the time. She's going on quite strong. Basically, I think she's tried just about every Linux distribution on the planet up to now. She's going on strong. We have another one as well. I forgot her real name now, but she goes by the nickname on our seat, Toksakka, and she has also basically tried every this strong on the planet pretty much. She's been tinkering as well with kernel scheduler settings to fine-tune the speed of her computers and all. So through that group, we've developed an amazing group of skills, some of which is being used as well when Linux Active Directory holds the training sessions. And so what we're basically trying to achieve, A, is to make Linux more accessible to that Linux London group. We're also trying to educate people into adopting it, showing them, by example, how easy this is. And nothing speaks better than having an early team who basically has been capable to install their own Linux distribution, fine-tune it, use it, and make other friends adopt it as well as well. So I think that's quite an achievement we managed to accomplish with our very small team of if our member correctly delayed the statistics they were able to recognize for us. Was it that we had three or four members at the last? How about that? It's about that. So quite a good accomplishment. Then we really hope to be able to network as well with other similar Linux user groups in other countries and across the Finland as well, especially in Scandinavia and the Baltics. Hopefully to be able to spread that whole idea of accessibility of the software. So this being said, how do we say it? Now, one thing I'd like to point out as well is that well, as mentioned earlier about both Brandon and Jaldar, there are deviant derivatives. Basically, customized deviant distributions to this specific region. We have freebies for you to grab today on the table there. We have CDs from one of the deviant derivatives called Google Zoom. We have some ordinary PCs as well as for power PC-based computers such as power mapping precious, as well as for other PCs based on AMD chipsets. So please feel free to grab at least one CD on your way out. There are no grabs.


This lecture is entitled Introduction to Art of the Rokoko, or Out with Classical Ideals in with Pleasure.  And this is a time when the aristocracy had more power. We're not in that same situation we were with Louis XIV, where all of the power is in his hands. The aristocracy, the wealthy, have a little bit more power and aren't caters to their needs and their tastes in this period, in the Rokoko. So, with this period, gone is that authoritative classical style that we associated with Louis XIV. And what moves in is a more intimate style, a style for personal enjoyment. And that is why I have subtitled this lecture, Out with Classical Ideals in with Pleasure. In very broad terms, that's essentially what happens with Rokoko art. Now, we do still see some stories here and there with a more somber tone. And the audience for these works of art, the aristocracy, these really wealthy important people, they were an intellectual audience, but it's a light-heartedness that predominates. And we do not see the bold, authoritative quality of earlier French Baroque art, especially that associated with Louis XIV. Some words you see associated frequently with the Rokoko are fantasy, pleasure, elegance, sensuous, sensual. So, these are big catch words that you should keep in mind as we're studying the Rokoko. Now, I have this image up on the screen, this image of an inside of a room, because the Rokoko actually began as a style of interior decoration. So, this is obviously a useful place to start. And this is the Salon de la Princesse, and it's in the Hotel Subis. Let me write that down. Salon de la, and it's in the Hotel Subis, and it dates, let me write this down here, 1737-40. Now, this would have been a room in the residence of a wealthy or aristocratic French person. Notice how everything in this shot here of this room is very curvilinear. There's a fluid, almost organic quality to this room. Organic. And by organic, I mean natural, of the natural world. Instead of the emphasis on really hard lines, hard architectural columns and pilasters and tablatures, these really straight lines, there's almost an attempt to create a room that feels like a grotto, a natural space, a place overrun with vines and flowers and natural hard forms like shells and pebbles. Again, back to that fantasy, a sense that this is a fantasy space. Before I move on, I just wanted to also say that you often hear the Rococo described as a feminine style. And women in this period, there were influential aristocratic women who were patrons of this kind of art. And this room, Salon de la Princesse, this was a room of a woman. So that's another thing to keep in mind as we move forward. Okay, so on the screen right now, you're looking at two sort of quintessential examples of Rococo painting. I said Rococo began as interior design, but it did move on and informed the styles of other works of art as well, including painting, as you can see here. So over here on the left, we have a work by Boucher, and this is the Toilet of Venus, which should be a familiar subject to you by now, and it dates to 1751. On the right, we have a work by Fragonard, and this is known as The Swing, and it dates to 1767. Now, both of these, I think you can see right away, we've got something new going on in the art. These look quite different than the paintings we saw in France under Louis XIV. And not only in the way they're painted, but also the subject matter is consistently more lighthearted. And in both of these paintings, and this is another hallmark of Rococo art, are themes of love and eroticism. Love, eroticism. So on the left is the Toilet of Venus, so this is Venus here, a nude goddess surrounded by these little chubby, cupid figures. And on the right is The Swing, and in The Swing we see a beautifully dressed young woman on a swing, her lover seated beneath her, sneakily taking a glance up her skirt.  So very lighthearted themes in both of these, very erotic in different ways. We have a nude figure here, but we have a lot of suggestiveness over here. So we've made a real departure from these noble, heroic, classical themes that were favored in Louis XIV's time. And again, style is different as well. We have curving lines throughout both of these paintings. It's almost hard to find a straight line anywhere. There's an X-shaped composition. You can see kind of diagonals here and here, and also here and here. So these are two hallmarks of Rococo painting. There's also a very different use of color in these paintings than what we saw in previous French art. There's a much softer color palette with these pastel pinks and blues. Even the use of light is softer. And there's just sort of this general sense of intimacy. Instead of the very grandiose, imposing images of the heroic, classical world, we have these really intimate and even approachable images of love and beauty. Now, before we finish today, I just wanted to show this example on the left by Francois Boucher in comparison to an earlier version of the same subject. So here we are. And again, this is the Toilet de Venus that we just looked at by Boucher. And over here on the right, you should hopefully remember this is Vouer's Toilet de Venus from 1629. Now, this is an interesting comparison because it's the exact same subject matter. And there's a lot of similarities in terms of what's depicted, the location, all of that. But I think what's really telling about this comparison is the way in which the story is told, the way the artists have handled the paint, the lines, the color, the lighting. So I want you to take a second and just look at this and think about, you know, what are some real differences here? I mean, I think you can see right away that there are differences, but how are those differences achieved? Well, one thing that I noticed right away is the use of line in Vouer's painting. There's a much clearer, sharper distinction between spaces and the lines are much sharper and clearer. You know, look for example at Venus' leg here, right? You can see a real clear distinction. Whereas the lines in Boucher's painting are kind of soft and blend into one another, which kind of goes along with the softness of color, softness of light. Everything is sort of touchable and sensuous in Boucher's painting, whereas there's a more clear line and almost a more intellectual quality to Vouer's. And this is really the heart of what Rococo is interested in and how it achieves that.


Welcome back everyone to the live coverage here with theCUBE here in Mobile World Congress. I'm WC24, I'm John Furrier, your host with Dave Vellante. Dave, 14 years doing theCUBE, and this is our 14th season. And it's been- Third year here. Third year here. I've been to Mobile World Congress since 2009 when we first started working together. Boy, the industry's changed a lot. So much going on. And I've said always from day one, Dave, it's a networking problem, all right? And we're going to talk about it today. Nabil Bakari, Chief Technology and Product Officer, EVP and GM of Subscription and Business as Extreme, networks. Well, thank you guys. Thanks for coming on. Yeah, my pleasure, my pleasure. Every year it's the same conversation. Even when cloud hit the scene in 2013 when we started going to reinvent and we had cloud before that, it was always like, okay, get the compute up. But all of the policy, all the networking was cloud native, still always was doing. It feels like this year, it's the final year where that puzzle piece is going to snap into place, to scale up with what is obviously high demand of the future AI workflows, new kinds of clusters, clustered systems, new kinds of data centers emerging, micro clouds, and still public cloud and edge booming. So like so much is going on and now the network is the focus point. It always has been, but more than ever. Yeah, absolutely. And I think, and this is what we were talking about a little bit earlier, that there are so many technologies out there, right? There was cloud and now cloud seems like so passe and now there's like AI and then tomorrow there's going to be something else. There's a lot of this show-off technology and this promise of technology, but sometimes we have to take a step back and go back to, as you were talking about, the Maslow's hierarchy law for enterprises, especially, is that some of the basics are not there. Because in the end, yes, we want to provide value through AI to everybody, but how about we first connect everybody? And it's just like, in terms of connectivity, we call it the infinite connectivity, is that let's connect every application, every person and every device out there. And once you connect them, then we can kind of like talk about like, okay, well now how do I deliver value through things like AI and stuff? So I believe that the value and the role that networking plays in attaching all kinds of people, devices and application to the system is fundamental. And I think there are issues in that area to really unlock the potential of things like AI and stuff. You were sharing with us earlier how you sell to enterprises and enterprises aren't going 5G crazy. They're talking about how do we connect everybody? You just sort of mentioned that. Is it, they're trying to fill the holes still from the COVID march to remote or hybrid? Is that part of it? Are they trying to get more out of their Wi-Fi networks which are still, you know, they're good, but they're not great. What's the state of the enterprise mindset? Yeah, so you know, that's a great question and it depends upon who you're talking to within that enterprise. If you're talking to, you know, a CIO or a networking infrastructure VP or somebody like that, they are kind of thinking about like, well, how do I roll out all of these technologies to provide that connectivity, right? And they are thinking about, hey, I need to connect my people. Some of them are going to work from home. Some of them are going to be in offices. There's wired, they're wireless. There's 5G. And then there by the way, other technologies as well. A lot of our customers are looking at Laura. They're looking at satellite-based connectivity and stuff. So they are focused on the technology side. But as you go a little bit higher in those organizations to like a CXO or a board level, they have the following three concerns.  That's the first reaction. Right. Second one is, well, how on earth are we going to find people to run all of these things? Every new year you come up with like a new set of technologies and now I got to go find these resources and stuff. And the third one is, well, how do I build a strategy that is agnostic of the underlying connecting technology? And that is a fundamental point. Enterprises do not want to lock themselves down in either a Wi-Fi or a wired or a 5G because they know they're going to need all of these technologies to connect their businesses. Now the question is, well, how do I fix the economics from acquisition to operations? And we sell into some of the largest enterprises in the world all the way down into the mid-market.  It typically starts from like, oh, I really want to do something with 5G or I want to do something with AI, but that's where it ends up at. What are the complicated constraints that you're looking at with most of your customers? Is it just skill gap issues, just cautious optimism? What's the vibe right now with the customers? Because AI certainly has got the hype. The enthusiasm's high, confidence levels, certainly we see foundation models, okay, they're cool. But when you got to operationalize it, there's some opportunities with networking in there to use the data. So there's some light at the end of the tunnel there. What's your view of the innovation of where you see the opportunities? Yeah, so John, when it, so let's talk about AI and networking, right? So we kind of started on this journey like almost like three or four years ago.  Now that name is very ubiquitous in the industry. So we started rolling that out. So that has been there for almost like two, three years. Now obviously with every new generation of AI that happens like in minutes, it seems like. So it has better capabilities and more capabilities. But the fundamental point is this, when we step back and look at AI, the use cases are going to come in three phases. The first one is augmentation, right? It is like, okay, well I can help your IT teams do more, right? Or I can help them do these things through the use of AI. It's really an augmentation use case. The second one, whether we like it or not is going to be replacement, where you're going to come in and say like, oh, these functions and these teams are all, guess what, just not really needed because we're going to automate us through AI and it's not really needed. And the last phase is going to be the creation phase, which is where the revenue generation really comes in. I like to call it the arc framework because we are in networking, we love our like letter words and stuff. So it's the augmentation, replacement and creation, the arc framework. I believe that most of the enterprises are really looking in that phase and most of the focus is in augmentation. Now what I will also tell you is that we at Xtreme Networks, we kind of come up with a slightly different view. We say like, yes, augmentation is good, but unless you start pulling that creation phase in, you're going to struggle with showing the ROI of this. What are some examples of some creation examples? Right, so think about, so we are very big in stadiums, right? So we have like 25, 30 of the, some of the largest stadiums around in the world. And by the way, if we're a decade, we have been running. By the way, Ziaz and I, I want to do speed tests in all the stadiums so we can go test them out. And if you're watching anyone in marketing for Xtreme Networks, they're happy to go to all the stadiums and watch a game too while we're there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, but you guys are really big on stage, which is cool. Yeah, and think about that, that's a perfect example of this, right? We have been bringing 5G and sell like in Wi-Fi and wired together in a stadium for over a decade now. I know this private 5G and Wi-Fi thing debate is like very recent, but we've been doing it for like over a decade now, but it is really about bringing that experience to the users or spectators in this case so that they don't sit in their living room on big TVs and come to the stadium. And by the way, the stadium problems are hard, not to crack because you have massive concentration of density. 100%. And you got all kinds of management issues on RF. 100%, right? So think about, so that is a perfect use case for bringing an AI for revenue generation. So some of our customers are thinking about like, okay, so I have 80,000 people in the stadium and I can collect data from them over a whole season or multiple seasons and out there. Well, then how the hell do I monetize that? The question of like, hey, I can give you a direction towards the shortest line to the toilet. I mean, that use case was like five years ago. But now think about in-stadium betting. Now think about like knowing what your spectators are doing when they're in stadium and then using that in terms of sponsorships and bringing in partnerships and stuff. Those are real AI use cases that we are doing. Those are net new creations. Those are net new creation. And this is my fundamental point that as people look at AI, do not just look at the augmentation use cases. It will become very difficult to show that ROI on the long-term because people underestimate the amount of investment that is required on AI once they go on this journey. So my message to everybody is look at those creation use cases upfront. Early on, you might not do them right away but have that story to be able to do the ROI. I mean, the data shows that about 40% of the AI projects that are getting funded are getting stealing budget from other projects. And to your point, if the macro spending is not growing, people are, you know, they're still pretty cautious. It's back-ended. People are expecting, I don't know, a four or 5% growth this year, but it's all second half. To your point, if they don't see ROI, there's not going to be that gain sharing to keep funding this. And CFOs are going to go, hold on. What are we getting? Let's pull back a little bit. There's only that much funding that you can do in from the bottom line, right? You can say, like, oh, I can bring this cost efficiency. There's a limit to that. And in the end, as business leaders, like, you know, I'm the GM of our subscription business and my teams come up with all sorts of examples of AI where like, oh, I can reduce it by 10% here and 10% here. But that's not the sustainable growth that I need. I need to grow the business at 70, 80% year over year. I need AI to bring in new revenue and stuff. So just sharing my own example. So in that arc framework, focus on the A and the C at the same time. And I think that's critical as we look at AI. The cost savings is one, revenue, generations. Where the data opportunities, net new, are going to be interesting.  We've heard here at the show here on theCUBE that the telco opportunity is to get to the device. Okay, because they have the devices, right? So all the devices, the data coming off the device. So the stadium, one of the things everyone can relate to is the Wi-Fi is terrible. Oh, 5G is here. So is the 5G Wi-Fi relationship going to be, going changing? Because Wi-Fi 7 is coming on. We're going to have the Broadcom president tomorrow. I'll ask him about Wi-Fi 7. You guys are involved with Wi-Fi 7. So is Wi-Fi going to be replacing that local ethernet or is it going to be over the top 5G? Or does the users don't even know? What's, can you share your thoughts on that? So it's John, great question. And maybe we're sitting at Mobile World Congress so my message is going to be a little bit contrarian, I guess. But in the end, nobody really cares whether it is Wi-Fi or 5G. That's what works for sure. This is fast. Can I get, does the water work? Yeah, it's just in the end, like, and think about, I think your point and just, you know, not being physicians, but just coming back to the point. You know, that data and the end device, that's really critical. And I think anybody that thinks that devices are going to connect just one way are actually missing the point. So think about the stadium example. That same device is switching between the cellular and the Wi-Fi, depending on which one does better. Because sometimes Wi-Fi is not working, but a lot of the times actually the 5G doesn't work, or the cellular, in this case, LTE doesn't work, and you offload that. So look, the fundamental question is- Whoever could manage that, take that away from the user, seamlessly under the covers. That's the key. Switching between the transceivers and the antennas, whatever the radio's going on there. That's the key. And I mean, and that's the stadium use case, but you know, people talk about industry and stuff. People forget that one of the largest growths in the industry is happening actually on the good old ethernet. Because it can provide you power and reliability both in the same case. So PoE is a big use case. The point that I'm making here is that, look, this 5G versus Wi-Fi debate is just the wrong question. The question is going to be, which company or ecosystem is going to provide you that data, that security, and that analytics towards the user and the end device, regardless of the connecting technology? So you guys are doing that. And we are doing that. Right, for us, the idea is that we have this concept of one network and one cloud. So we say like, look, it's one network doesn't really matter whether it is wired or wireless or Laura or 5G or satellite or what have you. The idea is to just connect people, connect them securely, and then provide them an experience and more importantly do it within the budgets of our customers. That in the end, it always comes down to economics, right? So to me, that's the real question. So when we talk to our partners, obviously we have a lot of partners on the telco sides and on the 5G side. It is like, well, how do we bring in? So an enterprise can run 5G just like it has always been running wired and wireless or Wi-Fi and Ethernet, right? So to me, that's the real fundamental question. And at Xtreme, we are like just hyper focused on doing that. And we have had quite a bit of success around that. Explain your business for our audience. You run the subscription business. Xtreme was born at kind of the beginning of the dot com boom, right? You're really right in the middle of it. The subscription business, so you're going through a transition. What's it all about? Yeah, so great question. It's just like, look, we were born as a hardware company. And like most of the companies here, right? And the key is that now, I actually don't use the word transition because I feel like if you're transitioning your hardware business into a subscription business or you value proposition from hardware perpetual to a subscription, you typically end up with a dip before you kind of like come back up. I have the view and in the last five years we have kind of proven that is that you leave your hardware business the way it is and look, the customers are going to want to buy a different way. They want to buy a CapEx. They want to buy OpEx. They want to buy consumption. That's fine. Let them buy the way they want to buy it. But these cloud and subscription models are really well suited for this value that sits over the top. It could be management through the cloud. It is analytics. It is now AI as everybody's talking about it. It is about experience. It is about compliance and reliance and stuff like that. And the way we have modeled our businesses that our hardware business continues to grow and we have kind of created this subscription business on top of it that provides this higher tier of value. And that has worked out really well for us. And I really believe that's why I don't use the word transforming from hardware. It's an augmentation. So it's not as a servicizing your hardware business. It's adding a layer on top. Exactly. That is incremental value that customers and you know, John, you said this Maslow's hierarchy law for networking. I'm going to do something about that. I love that effort because I'm happy to help. At the bottom sits connectivity. And the connectivity could be wired by 5G satellite. What have you. And as you go up, then it's like, okay, well, I connect them, but now I want to secure them. Well, now it's securely connected. Well, now I want to provide them access to application. Well, now I want to do analytics. Now I want to do AI. And it's really that's how you need to think about it. And that's how our customers are thinking about it. It's just, I brought that up mainly because you brought the stadium. Most people with their Wi-Fi and their devices really get bummed out. They're emotionally bummed out when they can't send their photos of their pictures to their friends who aren't at the game. So Wi-Fi and the internet has become quite frankly part of our lives. So I think this Wi-Fi seven conversation is important.  Again, that's a gets nerdy into the weeds, but like there's advantages there again. So again, as long as you can make the users get the plumbing they need. That's the thing. That's the food and shelter in my Wi-Fi. That is what it is. And I really believe that getting- It's like running water. No one goes to the bathroom and says, hey, what pipes are they using? Yeah, and in the end, those are the people that are going to fund all of this awesome technical stuff that we do. So the key is always focus at the end user and they really don't care how they can have it. And the thing about the AI, and I think what's coming out is that if you can use AI to make that more efficient. Okay, that's where the data is going to come in. I think that's what we're watching as a creation opportunity. The augmentation is interesting. We've been covering a lot of the platform engineering challenges in cloud native and now AI native. There's just not enough time for people to get skilled up. So I think AI was probably going to fill that void. How do you see that as a product executive? So it's interesting. I think there's a lot of thing that, hey, the AI is going to fill up the gap. And you know, there's a lot of products that are out there that help coders kind of code and stuff like that. And some of them are really useful. We're using some of them as well. But you know, the point that I'll make is that within product companies, like technology companies like ourselves, there needs to be a cultural change. Building a platform for the cloud and data ingestion and normalization and then doing something with it and distributing. Yes, challenging, but doable. But creating that data first culture within your organizations and more importantly in your customers, that is a much bigger challenge. And I think as we think about AI and as we think about data, we cannot separate the technology from the cultural change that is required because in the end it is about humans. Right? The bill, thanks for coming on theCUBE. We're going to end theCUBE research, our team look at the market the same way. There's a lot of challenges but opportunities, big investments coming into AI and the implementations of how things are going to be deployed are changing. So really the perfect storm for innovation. So I really appreciate your share and your vision. Love the 5G, Wi-Fi, and congratulations on all your stadium success. Again, Zs and I have been talking about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, look, it's a perfect use case of how you can bring different technologies for a singular purpose of delivering an experience. I think that's the future and that's where all of this is going to go. I really appreciate you guys having me here. The fans are thankful. The bill's here on theCUBE. Okay, more live coverage day two of four days of live feed here on theCUBE. Here in Barcelona, we'll be right back with more after this short break.


13-piece band, full brass section and everything, just an amazing sound. That's the brand new single. Pay me my money down, struggle when the saints go marching in. Right, we move on and we say hello and we say welcome back to Highland Radio again. That's Jamie Donnelly, hello to you. Hello Paul, how are you? Thank you so much for having me. The pleasure's ours, pleasure's ours. You've just, you've been busy. I was trying to think when, when was it that you were up there? Before Covid wasn't it? Oh, it was back in 2017, would you believe it or not? It was when I launched my first EP together, you and I, so. 2017?  You've come a long way since then, haven't you, and you're recording and you're digging away as well. Oh yeah, thank God, I'm very busy. Since I've released two more albums and my current EP come into my life, so I've been busy in the studio and I get quite used to it, but I've been busy so I'm very lucky, yeah. Yeah, come here, congratulations on this new EP coming to my life. There's some beautiful songs in it. Thank you. And I'm not, I wouldn't be like an overly religious person really, but there's some very, some good words and lyrics and a lot of them songs and you call wrote, did you call write one of them this coming to my life, the title track? Yes, the title track, yeah. Me and Jeff Sney, he's the boy I write songs with, he loves over in Southport, but how we work is like, he would write the lyrics and then I put the music to it, so we're kind of like Elton John, we've got that. Very good. So we wrote that actually way back during COVID, that's where he kind of got the inspiration for it when we were all in the first lockdown and you know, he is quite religious, so he just brought this to me and was like, how do you feel about writing a gospel song? And I thought you know what, just give it a go and see how it turns out, so thank God. It is, it's brilliant, but you launched it in Southport last week? I did, yeah, I went over to Jeff and he had set up a few gigs over there, so we launched, had two gigs over there two weekends ago now, so yeah, they went really well. And tell me this, career ways, are you full-time or are you? Well, yeah, at the minute I'm kind of full-time singing, I also teach with a drama school called Much Ado Stage School, which is based in Castle Dair against Iran. It's one I attended actually when I was younger. My too, my, up in Castle Daird. Yes. My granddaughter's going out. Is that Eva? Eva and Clara. Hi. They love it, absolutely love it. Well, they're very talented themselves, not even literally either. Well they get that from me. This is my stage, you know, not their granny's stage, but it would be more of my stage. But no, it was brilliant, brilliant. Do you know what I said? I remember the very start when they started to join, I was going, no, you don't need that, you know. But the confidence that they've gained is unbelievable. That's what it is, I know. And that, you know, that'll stand with them, you know. Totally. But I've been at a few shows that they put on and they're tough, they really, really are, tough class, they really are. I'll have to say, Roche does go above and beyond, like for our work. And like every show, as you say, she goes all full whack, like she pulls out all the stops. But no, she actually was in the show, we did in the summer, we done like Glee Blonde. This is like another thing with what you do, it's kind of for like past peoples or like older people who want to kind of get involved in the arts. And we done the Glee Blonde and I was Elle and Roche was Paulette. So we had a lot of fun doing that too. Very good. Is that a new thing for you, that kind of acting teaching or what? Well, that's actually how I started off. Like that was kind of my first, believe it or not, I was dancer first. And then I got into the acting and then I kind of found my voice. So that's how I started. But I've always loved musical theatre because it's a combination of all of them, really, like and getting to perform live on stage, it's class. Well, they have, I know the girls are talking about a pantomime, they don't ask me what grips are on them, but they're involved with a pantomime too, something this year. And it's always, there's always something wrong, but I have to say that the shows that Roche puts on really genuinely enjoy them, you know, you look forward to it, like, you know, it's something she's going, no, no, no, show, you know what I mean? But they are really good, they are really good. Well, people here under the arch, you know, they're so lucky, like there's so much going on, like even like on Instagram, Castle Derek, like, there's so many opportunities at the minute. And do you know what I noticed, Jamie, a way back and when, you know, they were putting on the shows at the start, and from a probably a sexist viewpoint, I was sitting, you know, it was mostly girls, right? And then I've seen young fellas dancing and I'm going, you couldn't have done that years ago in Stamanna or any town in the North, or, you know, you couldn't have done that. And I just love their, I love that is what I want to do and they do it so well. And I mean this for the fellas, you know, it's brilliant to see. And obviously it's encouraging all of us to have a go at it. So it's brilliant. Well, that's it. Like I do vocal coaching as well as I'm singing, and I have a few boys at the minute and they're considered doing it professionally. There's actually lots here kind of taking that leap, you know, to go over to London and get their proper training and stuff. So yeah, that's thriving at the minute. Long may it continue. Right, come here. We're going to get into a piece of music if you don't mind. And first piece up, you're going to do first. I am going to do the title track of the new EP. Very good. This is Come Into My Life. Come Into My Life. Lovely new EP from Jamie Donnelly. And this is the title track co-written by herself as well. Whatever you're ready. What's your name, Brian? I'm Brian Kerrigan. Yeah, in Harmley's studio. He was here later, Kenny. Yeah. Very easy to work with. He's great, have to say. Everything that I threw at him, he's not fair to tackle it.  Like example, my last album, I brought to him a Beyonce song called Daddy Lessons. And I was like, let's quantify this. And he was like, huh? Very good. You had a good go at it anyway. And thank God it turned out quite well. It turned out brilliantly. And congratulations on that too. Because that album, when did you bring that out last year, was it? Yes, it'll actually be a year old on Friday, the 24th of November is when I brought it out. And these are all, this is like, I have listened to this album and there's a couple of my own favorites, you know, that Dolly Parton. I love Dolly Parton, right? I think she's just an amazing songwriter, you know. And I love that, why'd you come on here looking like that? I always loved that song. But what made you think you just think I'll do something with the girls only, like? I don't know. The idea came to me. I recorded a song way, way back called Drinkin' With Dolly by Stephanie Clale. And it talks about like, you know, the girls and Tammy Winnett and Dolly and all. And I thought, oh, it would be so cool to like dedicate like something to them. And then that's kind of how the idea came about. And I didn't, initially, I didn't even think of calling it, this one's for the girls. I had picked that song to be honest. And I was like, what could I call it? Like that would, you know, get that message across someone's sentence. And I thought, ding, brilliant. That's the title track. So not worked out well. You have 13 tracks and you fairly packed them in. And you're some, you know, as you say, you're taken on a Beyoncé song there. And I know that's not an easy thing to do because she's like, she's not known for country music. So you've, as you say, you have counterfeited of us, you know, well done. What about songwriting? Do you do much? Do you get a chance much? Or you're probably busy a lot? Well, as I say, I kind of just co-write. That's what I kind of mainly do. I don't really write much myself, kind of struggle lyrically. That's why me and Geoff kind of work so well together because he struggles musically. So we just... The combination works. Thank God it works. Yeah. So I would love to get more on date, but I think like songwriting, you have to expose yourself a bit, don't you? Like, you have to be vulnerable. And I just wouldn't be a fan. There is a songwriting. Any songwriters you're talking to, you know, a lot of them, some of them would tell you, you know, that a particular album might be different from the last album. And it's basically down to the mood or whatever. You know, maybe looking through something in life at that time, you know. So you're knocking through. So you don't need... That's why you don't need... You can't find the ammo to write a song. I know. You said, I just heard you offer us energy.  You're walking London as well. Well, I, you know, try and, as I said, did the musical theatre in the summer. I've done a few productions and that kind of brought back my love for it, reminded me of it. So I luckily got an agent over in London and I've been getting auditions and things like that. So I'm kind of back and forth with them in it. For auditions? Auditions, yeah. Just to see how things turn out. Oh, so you're not on venture? No, I'm gay, as they say. Well, that's true. And that seems to be the centre of where everything's happening, isn't it? Well, especially, like, you know, the West End and stuff, like, kind of, that's where you need to be. So... Why were my, my veins are all over at the West End over a couple of months back. Why? Have you seen a count from... Would have been the Lion King? Would have... Good to be in there, eh? Yeah. I think whatever they say to me, but that, and because they're that sort of background that you have with that theatre stuff, they just love that whole everything for them, you know, where I'd be just looking at the show, they'd be looking at everything. So that's what, that's what the, like, emotion to you has done for them. It's given that sort of respect and understanding of things, like, you know, which is great. Come here, I just admire your emerald guitar. Oh, they like it. Oh, what did I tell you? I'm an owner myself, too. I have one about four or five years. No, maybe more now, and it's a green one. But that's absolutely beautiful. I love the veneer nut. Well, that's just quite old, too. It's one of, like, their new, or their oldest models. I think it's the X-20. Mine is an X-20. Is that? An X-20 lefty. I was one of the first to get them produced, eh? I'm left-handed, and I went down the Alistair, and he said that, I don't even think they were making a left-handed one, so I got a left-handed one. Imagine that. I love it. You know what, they are great, and, like, they're made of carbon fibre, so you could be out in, like, 40 degree heat. Doesn't they say? No, what happened to it? The tuning, like, is the same. I don't get neared enough, right, but you see when you get neared, it's on, every time I've taken it, it's on chin, all the time. That's great. Who have we got here? George Brelin. He's head of security over the Dwellin' Banshees. George said, you're sounding great, and that's it. Mary Gamble. Beautiful song, Jimmy. Leanne Brown, Sweeney. Hi, Jimmy. Love the new song, well done. Sully Bogan. Really miss, I really miss the pantomime in Sturban. It was a funny, there's a pantomime in Sturban coming again this year. This one came on last year again, yeah. So don't be, I used to love the pantomime, I always loved the pantomime. And Fair Place, Sturban, Great Town, George's. Thank you. And maybe, so, oh, George's the song, I said he'll try and play it here, but I don't think we'll see how we get on with the hook-up. But no, the guitars are beautiful, and if that's an open, you keep it very, very well. Well, thank you. Give a couple of guitars. Only have the two. I have a wee, Yamaha. But that was how I ended up getting this one, the sound, the input of it fused, and I said to my daddy one day, I need to get a new input, but of course he took it, get a new guitar, and I landed him from school, and this was something there, I was like, aren't I lucky? You are lucky, you are lucky, and it's a thing you'll have forever, so enjoy it. 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And he was the one that kind of introduced me to country music in the first place. That's kind of what we did. He brought us songs every week, and we would have just done chords. I remember the first song I ever sang and played at the same time as Country Roads. So he introduced me to the country, really. And that's kind of how I learned about it, and reading the lyrics and getting the storytelling of it and all. That's kind of how I fell in love with it. What's your favourite type? What's your favourite genre and music? In general. You know what? I do love listening to American country, but I love folk as well, and musical theatre. You know what? I could listen to anything, honestly. That's good. That's good.  I do. Well, I mean, I do anywhere I get the chance, really. I sing at pubs and clubs, and I do christenings, wends, receptions, minerals. Very good. Excellent. Anything, anywhere I get them asked to sing, I'll do it. So actually, my next gig that I'm so excited for is Countryland, our hosting festival on Saturday, up in the Ecken Centre, I think, Icon Centre. Do you know where Balmoral be? Oh, yes. I up there. So they were running a competition for, like, rising star to see who could get a slot on the show, but they actually offered, there were six finalists, but they offered us all the chance to sing, so I have that on Saturday. Is that something that I've seen on the TV, looking at the documentary part, was it, is it wrong to be sort of farmers and lorry drivers and boys to get, no, is it? Or is it? I don't know. I'm wrong, no. I'm not quite sure. It was AJ Promotions, I think, was running it. Right. Who else is on the ball, is there, anyway? Lisa McCue, Mike Damver, Taran Heffern, Johnny Brady, Derek Ryan, and then the six of us. But there was a winner who got the slot between Lisa and Mike, and his name was Colin. Colin. But he's great. Colin. But he's getting it on the air. I thought, no, we're getting the chance to sing there, so it's really exciting. It's nice to get that and a big gig. What's the plan, say, going forward? Because you've had many irons in the fire, you know, you could stroll into musical theatre quite easily. Well, that's it. I mean, I'm still quite young, I'm still discovering what like suits me, what people enjoy listening to me sing, you know, I still feel like I have so much more to offer that people haven't heard yet. So I'm just literally, I have loads planned actually this year. I got the Chance Day Support Smoky up in the waterfront and in the Hellgrove in Monaghan, and I'll be supporting them again in 2025, which is really exciting. We have two big venues. Oh my God, I don't know. And you're dead. And Jimmy Donnelly has owned us her own thing before them. Just made me a big guitar. And when you're in an event like that, do you add your own, any of your own stuff, or do you try covers just to... I just kind of discovered the first time just to see how it would go down, but I don't know, maybe next time I'll add a few. So why not? Your music is as good as anybody else's. But it's nice to get that big feel for her. Well, I'd say it was Joe Gallagher who gave me the chance, you know, but me and Joe were very close with them on that and he's helped me out a lot. I'm actually with him, I met Brian Kennedy. On Friday night, he was playing in the Bishopsgate and got a chance to see the show. Yeah, so yeah, that was really fun. Nice fella, Brian Kennedy. And you know what? I have to say, he's such an amazing, like such a talented vocalist, like watching him, you learn so much. Exactly.  But that's brilliant. A lot of things happen for you and long may they continue. Any plans again for recording or are you just going to let that settle there or even... I have things and like in the pipeline that I'm working on, I'm always kind of trying to have a project anyway that I can work towards. So I'm just, as I say, discovering new genres at the minute. Brilliant. God knows what to do next. You should come back and next time a real pop album like that. But why not? Why not? But it's great to see and as I say, long may it continue. I know the recording is a costly process at the minute and you know what you're doing well and the caliber of the CDs that you're releasing, you know, the good quality.  And you can see some people have put the effort on and certainly the efforts that are on there because they're totally professional. So congratulations on that. Were you in Glortier? I was, yeah, did that last year. Was that with David James? Yes, David was my mentor.  No, I didn't get that. It was a great experience to be fair. And, you know, kind of above and I think got really close with all the contestants on the show. And Sean was the other contestant. He ended up one on it. So I was delighted to see that happen too. Am I right in thinking you would write down to the wire? Would you say, no, no, no, why am I so awesome? How long did you laugh? I got to, I think I did three shows, two or three shows. That's good. And did you find that an experience? Because you're talking, you're talking TV cameras and everything there and all. Well, that's it. It's just completely different. No, we're having you again. I know, but I'm totally enjoyable. I loved every minute of it. Would you encourage people to go ahead for a different set this year? I encourage people to go for every opportunity they get, honestly. If you get the chance to put yourself out there, why not go first? Why not is right. Well, come here. Congratulations. And it's just lovely to take you back up again. Well, thank you for having me. It's great to be back. Not be six years before you're back again. Hopefully not, you know. And I've had more albums or whatever onto your belt.  And, you know, I just want to wish you all the very best going forward because you totally deserve any success that comes along. And I love the fact that you're sharing your skills with young people and encouraging them. And that's important too, you know, because you'd be surprised how many young people would look up to the likes of you, you know, I mean, as a role model going forward. And I hear that from my own, that's how I know that. So well done on that. And so if people want to get in touch with Jamie Donnelly, what, where, where are you on the everything's? I think also she's really Jamie Donnelly music and Facebook and then Instagram, Jamie underscore Donnelly and then all streaming platforms as well. You can find my music on there. Good. Well, listen, we'd love to get a final song if you don't mind. And the final one you're going to do first is Blowing in the wind. Oh, Bob Dylan classic. Go on, whenever you're ready. Lovely for this. She sleeps in the same house is fantastic singing Jimmy and Terry McHugh. Terry, how you keeping or G was a legend. He was a legend. He was an orchestra there. Man, Terry and a great musician. Come here. As I said, thanks very much for coming up. It's been an absolute delight. And we wish you all the very best going forward. Thank you so much.