Back to Nintendo Prime podcast season two episode 61 Yeah, eight more episodes still the big one and might be the last one of season two Well, we'll have to wait and see trying to work on some stuff behind the scenes for season three That being said Welcome welcome welcome. We're gonna go and do what we always do We're gonna start a show introducing our guests and ask them what have they been playing Lately so let's go ahead over to game bird classic First off, thanks so much for having me on the cast Been playing a few games recently. I've dove into the new Splatoon side order DLC really enjoying that and I got to say Roguelikes aren't my jam. Typically. There are a couple of exceptions. I'm having a lot of fun with this one It's not perfect, but really good time totally recommend it for anyone who's a Splatoon fan who hasn't tried it out yet I'm also the expansion DLC. Yeah. Yeah, it's fun. It's got a nice little addictive loop also playing Yakuza zero first for the second time. I've been on a little bit of a yakuza kick I know it's not Nintendo related, but Those are the two big ones. Yeah, sorry. Sorry, but yeah All right. All right. All right Sabrina Saffron City back had to come back for the Pokemon show. Hey everybody So yes, I am Sabrina from Saffron City TV Recently I Y'all don't be too disappointed in me. I have gone back to My tried and true animal crossing. I've been needing it y'all. I feel I have been feeling the pressure lately So animal crossing has been helping to kind of take the edge off lately and that's really what I've been needing I just been needing to like relax and chill So that's what I've been doing lately outside of working way more than I ought to be Did you start your island in the winter? Do what say that again? Did you start your island in the winter? No, no, I I actually have I've like restarted my island like I don't know six or seven And this one I actually started back in the summer of last year But I always have a tendency to put it down and then pick it back up Especially like when I'm feeling stressed. It is my go-to stress reliever game. So that's what I've been doing I have been designing like a mofo Wait, what does that mean what does mofo mean? I mean, I'll say it if if if we need to yeah, you know what I think I think we might need to I've been designing like a motherfucker Jake isn't even promising anything about keeping it I've been gone two weeks.  Andress has just been randomly gone like four of the last five weeks So and Jake just said I'm piecing out, bro. I'll let you know if I ever come back What are we gonna do without Eric dominating the whole conversation? How are we gonna get through this dream without Eric blabbing the whole time? I honestly don't know I literally said you carry the show. I don't What he does From your phone you're on the road just on your phone join in when Eric's not here.  Hi, Jake. You can see again because everybody yet. Yeah, I've been playing I picked Arceus back up ironically enough just because I was getting some be real I think I saw this last time, but I've continued on my just like Running around and completing the polka decks to hang it out I was been playing Mario Party been doing a lot of like modded Mario Party or we do like a hat like a cheat code thing I'm doing that later tomorrow on stream. So make sure you check it out But yeah, that's that's what I'm up to Mario Party and Mario Party and that and then Valorant because I'm addicted kind of I get that in my veins, you know, they're right. They're my right. My right. I'm drugged clean Yeah, you need help. I didn't know what we're doing. Are we really At least it's not League of Legends. Okay, it could be worse Tell me at least hide it off.  Hi guys, I'm Mike Odyssey. Welcome. Thank you for the thinking for the invite Nice to meet you all cast literally last minute. He messes with me like a minute before the show. Hey, did you feel under spot? No All right, I'll be there I Messaged me. Well, I was actually playing game. So I mean I put it before the park for Nate, you know Nobody cares So I made the mistake of saying. Oh, yeah. Well, my reverse is calling calm I'm gonna use that to at least fill my space till next direct. I Finished that about four hours.   It's on the TV right now And then for some reason I got picked to get a code for the rebirth.  So Yeah, look over to that. Yeah, nobody's mentioned rebirth like actually playing it yet.  That's Tomorrow, right? Yeah. Yeah, but a public demo. I think it transfers over. Yeah Yeah, and then the for the codes are giving you they don't give you the code before now They give you the codes midnight on midnight. They are really Yeah, so I'm playing Final Fantasy 7 just like I can maybe I'll probably start rebirth next week because I'm not Yeah, well, yeah, if you haven't you should play the DLC integrate. It's like two hours. It's short Really good integrate for yeah for Final Fantasy 7 you kind of need to that's true It's like two hours, it's Not this week the following You can follow through pretty quick if you just want to go get to the end you can get through it pretty quick I found areas right now. So I'm not even I'm not even close to it. Yeah Yeah, it's a pretty after I beat it.  I probably want to make sure you enjoy it I was like, uh You know, I bet you I might like this more if I actually played the original Final Fantasy 7 I actually loved it to be fair without playing the original but I was like, oh, I didn't even understand This was a reference to the original game and like there's an old new thing going on Yeah, didn't even know because I didn't play the original.  Hey, what are we gonna pass to you? Bitch Really aggressive did I actually work? I don't even know if you wanted to say I'm Nintendo Prime bitch And yes, did it come through like super clear, too.  I have no idea Anyways, that's actually something I drop whatever I see haters in the chat. I said that button All right Jake, what are you been playing lately man? Weeks did you open this? Yeah, did you open that that portal? Chat you guys are awesome when you saw that was back on the show. I missed you guys just as much as you missed me I love you Either let's be real there's a little thing going on between all of us Chad and I'm here for it He's the two inch for a reason come on. Hey, how come you haven't opened up your portal yet I have been trying I have been dying to get my hands on one of those and they're Yeah What I do I have been trying really hard Right now in like five minutes refresh this page get it in Yeah Yeah, no problem. There is honestly a lot more restocks now That's the thing you're not on Twitter, right That's a good that's a good account. Yeah, I used to do it He's a retiree, but he still has all the hookups Even if he's not gonna help you can help me I gotta get three of them Yeah, I got you But anyways, I'm set in rebirth coming out tomorrow for those you don't know the original Final Fantasy 7 not Remake yeah, yeah, it's my favorite game of all time So I'm definitely very excited for that to come out But I don't I'm probably gonna take me a few days to get around to playing it But I think the last time I was on the show. I was playing Dead Cells and I've still been playing a ton of dead cells Haven't had a full like clear run-through which I've beaten it in the past, but I started like a save file completely from scratch So I've just been playing it like a little bit every night, but I'm playing it a lot and I've been enjoying it when I'm nice It's like a you know like a 20 minute before you go to sleep Did you check out the Castlevania DLC for that? Yeah, yeah, how was it? It's cool. So like when you get DLC for that game it just unlocks different paths It's not like you start in a new journey. It's just like that's nice after you clear the first level instead of going to like Normally you can go to the sewers or like the thing that's up higher I forget what it's called and then if you have like the DLC you can you have the option to go down like to the Castlevania world and then it like goes from there, but just adds like more options So it just makes the game bigger. So the Castlevania DLC is cool though, especially like the weapons Which if you play Castlevania you recognize all the weapons like the cross the cross Like obviously like the whips and stuff. So it's cool And what's also cool is if you play it a little bit the DLC and you unlock those weapons You can use them in the main Dead Cells game, too Let's see what I've been playing lately Well, it's pretty well known since I've been live streaming it all on YouTube shorts live streams, which is a thing But I beat Ocarina time this past week Again, it's not like my first time or anything is the original on NSO and that's why I actually use the MSO subscription for something for once And now I am like I'd say probably about halfway almost halfway through Majora's Mask And then when that's done, we're actually we didn't 100% Ocarina time I didn't really care to but we are 100% of Majora's masks if you don't the games Like I can finish it in a stream like you're just you just beat the four dungeons and go to the end So I was like, you know what we got a 100% this one or it's not really even worth diving into because it's just too short So we're still doing that. I haven't got done the Andrew and Kathy side quest yet So if you're still looking forward to like literally one of the best side quests in all of gaming that's coming up on a future stream but so that's been a lot of fun and I already know it's out. It's been Not I want to say forced upon me But heavily pushed that we will be doing Hogwarts legacy next And I'm doing the switch version of course and switch version. Yeah And I never play this we're not trying to 100% it we're gonna do our thing I'm gonna go through the Potter more stuff I'm gonna have my house, you know them then choose my house when I do the quiz and then we'll transfer that to the game I'm lava. So it's gonna be fun. I do like Harry Potter. So it is what it is and We'll see what kind of crowd we get on YouTube shorts playing Harry Potter. I have no idea Riffindor of the podcast But that doesn't mean that that's what the Harry Potter versus gonna determine for me when I answer the quiz Have you I have a feeling I'm gonna be a Slytherin. I just Not Slytherin My week is going we're going right now if I answer the quiz this week. It's gonna be pretty dark Dark answers. Have you tried? Dreaming like you if you tried like doing the vertical and tick-tock at the same time or does that does YouTube prevent you from like Do you have a contract to YouTube or some sort of no, I don't have I don't have any contract No, so I'm trying so my goal is to eventually when I do those verticals to also have them on tick-tock and or I don't know if Instagram allows them or not but I don't know they do live Oh, yeah, I don't know if you can do it. What's that? Well, I got it. I got that's me. I got to figure out that because I only realized Well, I have a plug in on OBS that lets me do it But only that plug it only let's we go to one place at a time. So I find a way to I know I can use re-stream or something I don't want to have you stream to stream I don't know if it's the same thing you're using but if you look up Harris Heller, they have like he has a program Yeah, that's what I'm using and I was using okay. I didn't know if that was where you're using or not I didn't know if it worked for now I could stream like a normal talking stream on YouTube and then also stream a vertical out to Tic-Tac, but if I'm vertical to go to multiple places, it doesn't let me so I actually suggested to him that they should find a Way to include multi-streaming in the vertical plug in yeah or an extra plug in for it I think they were really cool, but we'll see yeah, that makes sense I don't like going through things like re-stream I'd rather I have the bandwidth I want to do it all from locally because I have full control then I only get to worry about my ISP and not anyone Yeah, yeah, I make sense Did we say we're Andre is this is brother's birthday Yeah, we got to the birthness literally forgot and then oh shit, it's my brother's birthday. I can't come on today All right By the way, next time I see your brother, I'm gonna let her know you actually forgot Hey, but look at what an awesome crew we have There's the positive thinking there it is Yeah, that's right. We need someone to balance out Jake. All right Oh All right, we got some really big topics for you guys today We'll be talking obviously about the Pokemon presents particularly one game in it, but obviously if you guys don't know any other stuff We absolutely can We'll be talking about Nintendo going after the yuzu emulator get some details on that Like it what's the deal with switching 2024 because one of the things that many people expected is that we would have some sort of Pokemon this holiday. Maybe we don't now Might actually get to that topic second because it might make more sense now that I'm actually reading this out loud But what can I say? I'm surprised I even got topics done today. So let's just get into the first one This we had a Pokemon presents kind of cool And obviously I'm just gonna kind of leave it to you guys because I'm not a Pokemon expert We all know it was announced So who wants to go first because I literally don't know what to say other than I'm glad it's legends Because legends rcs is my favorite Pokemon game. Yeah One question you do know that the entire game just takes place in one city, right? I know and that has made me realize it probably sucks, but maybe it doesn't Do something good in the city, I don't know, but we'll see that still I guess that's the point.  I barely even knew it was a Pokemon game if they do that because well, sorry continue Do your thing. Yeah, if you look at the thing that the map the luminous city, whatever, right? Then it's divided in in sections. Okay. Yeah, those little sections there I think I have to go through each little maps and depute the gym guy to get that little badgingy So then just go to the other town and then feed the other guy and the other badgingy and I'm pretty sure they all have Elemental thing where one is ice one is snow one is fire one is My name isn't that you know, because it's you know, but um That's what I got the trailer But I actually enjoyed the those little short 12 minutes of a pokemon presents that we got, you know, I'm like They started oh man, it's ended You know, so There um, I did like how the mobile stuff was rapid fire like that part. Yeah You didn't spend like five minutes on each one of these Yeah, but the app stuff was rapid fire But it was still 10 minutes of a 12 minute video. Yeah That's kind of expected with the pokemon presents they they usually spend so much time Don't they on a lot of the mobile stuff or the weird? Well, it's just everything. It's just every Yeah, but this time they spent a lot less time on it like they didn't go into depth They were just like here you go. This is what's coming at you. Here's another one. Here's another one Here's another one. Yeah, the only one that went on depth was a new one, which that makes sense. Yeah, exactly That's massively they told us massively you know why because they they they hit those points so hard You're like, wait a minute. They're going so fast. Does that mean we're we're getting more games We're getting a remake. We're getting this. I'm like and then they showed the trailer for for luminous and like, um Oh, I think he said um, oh and and and to end the show whatever right and what wait a minute It's only been five minutes. What? You know, yeah, but I mean the trailer was the other like half of the directs. So The reason I thought they were gonna get more games just the I liked it, but I didn't care too much about the game just because it's so far out, you know Here's the conversation sir. So we're talking so far out. We had a 20 dollar super check come in Um, it's related to this topic. Yeah We're but not this was saying that he seems to say the presents is evidence that game freak has slowed down dev time But the rc's reveal release was 21 to 22 Uh gen 9 released, you know 2022 Legends reveals in 2024 separate 2025 kind of seems like the same old same old they just had the dlc that year between But the thing is we don't know anything for this year either. So I think that's maybe the reason because we don't have seemingly anything coming yet yet So in my mind one part of me is excited that it's not coming out until 2025 because that means it's baking in the oven But the other part of me is like well since we saw so little of it in the trailer Does that mean that they're not very far into production time? So like if it if it hasn't been Like did it just go in the oven or has it already been cooking for a little while because if we're only gonna let this thing bake for like a year I don't know how that's gonna turn out I hope well, but I feel like it's been cooking for for a little while and I imagine we'll get to see gameplay at you know A more traditional size direct um I think this was a good opportunity to make the announcement and to tease it and Uh, I mean I was I was actually very surprised to see a legends game in this presents My prediction for the presents was that we're gonna get either another remake along the lines of diamond and pearl or maybe a new let's go um Like a gold silver let's go or a black and white remake and then legends. I was predicting would be a 2025 announcement and release I mean We jumped ahead. So I think it was a very surprising and cool announcement and I mean it remains to be seen Oh Oh You know Oh, he's back. He's back. He's back Um, so I'll just say look I want to go over just some other hitters from the from that direct just real quick That was that whatever like of any worth. Um, so you're into pokemon sleep Uh, basically they're adding jodo pokemon in the legendary trio just pokemon sleep Uh, if you are into pokemon unite There are new people in pokemon unite unite's a really big game in the scene. So that's something it's also worth Uh, another really cool thing we were talking about this before the podcast is they added a trading card pocket game And a lot of people are confused about that because there's currently a pokemon um TCG live and this is different. This is a You it's more of a gotcha game. It's more for pulling. It's for people that like to pull the cards You can pay real war money into it the TCG live You cannot pay real money technically you you buy the cards and then you scan them in which so you can but can't um, and then There's also like little mini battles in it Which I find is really interesting as somebody who is really into the TCG So I I think it seems like a very good way to get fans just kind of like collecting cards or into the scene Even on just a little bit new the new TCG online stocks It does. Yeah, it changed it like a year ago and the old one was dated But it worked well. It was fun. The new one freezes constantly. It's so frustrating So they needed something new so I dude at one point. I was a Player in the world On that on like the original TCG. Oh, yeah I can't even I stopped playing it because a new one's so bad.  I hope I hope it's good in terms of the UI and stuff And then of course I will say that like the one thing I think is really cool about it Is that like I have always been into pokemon cards for the artwork So I am glad that like they're doing more with the pokemon card artwork. I think that that is really cool I um, we were kind of talking about it a little bit before the stream But I'm just really not that into gotcha games anymore I used to be but I've kind of grown out of it a little bit So I'm just kind of like I would like to have the experience The experience of diving into the card, but I don't know if I want to pay money for that Yeah Yeah, I don't know what gotcha game is. I don't think I've ever been to it Yeah, um, and then of course what we were talking about. Wait.  I don't know what gotcha games are Wait a second. Wait a second. They you work for apple and you don't know what gotcha games are My Gaslighting I'm ready to explode. Let's go for the world. That should not have me You should be ashamed of yourself. I actually I actually like the the pocket game because I don't collect I've been actually I gotta I think I have a one box Unopened somewhere. That's how much I collect right um, but actually it got it caught my attention because you know I like like Sabino was saying I love the art part of it, you know And so the fact that you can actually take a card go inside the card and discover more art inside of it It was pretty cool And it's very neat. I like that a lot. I saw I saw I saw a content creator I saw as content creator does that mean I don't have to I can just press record my screen start opening cards YouTube short awesome. There you go. Yeah, there you go I think that I think that there's a lot that they can do because like there's already pokemon cards Where like if you Collect like I don't know two or three different cards from the same set. They'll form like one image If you put them like next to each other, so I'm sure they'll do something with that, which I think is a really cool concept I think they should make cards like this big Yeah, well, they do Those are prom they have promo cards. Yeah, they have like the big I don't know if they're 11 by 14, but they are pretty large. They're like Yeah, where's my I think they're I think they're like eight by 10 Something like that Yeah, I will like it for like more like more like for decor stuff not for collecting And I put them in a frame. Yeah, I if I can find my I don't know where my binder is with all of them But yeah, they those exist. Those are for lamb. You got the you got the big card binder I have like a place where I put them Just don't know where I put it. Uh, okay But yeah, though, then of course what we were talking about we got a new legends game announcement. Um So in terms of the content of the game itself, we could start with that is like The games is hinting at that it is some type of city builder Or maybe you are doing some sort of urban development for the city of or the limino city, which is based in the callous region And everybody's very excited about this fact because it is pokemon z Um, if for those who don't know Pokemon z was the missing game that everybody thought was coming out. It was rumored. It was in development There's a ton of proof that it was in development And then it suddenly fell through and they decided to pivot to sun and moon for whatever reason And then zygarde Zygarde did not make a good impression in sun and moon zygarde was like a fun little hidden side quest But zygarde did not get the time of day in the x and y games. So I have a feeling zygarde is going to be The Legendary of this game, which I think is super interesting. Well, the thing about the zygarde thing is they finished the quest for for him after X and y came out and when they realized they weren't going to make a third game They took the quest that was meant for that and just put it in sun and moon Yep, which was you find all the cells and then like have his 10 form 50 form and then 100 form So that was the thing So the reason that I know for a fact that zygarde is going to be the um pokemon like the legendary of this game is because if you look at the logo The z has that same like hexagonal pattern on it Um, the zygarde has on its body and then that's green too And then and then the a has like it looks like it has like a leaf pattern on it And zygarde is all about like environment and stuff like that. So Oh, yeah, no, you're definitely gonna be zygarde for sure. Sorry. I was just affirming myself just now Oh, yeah I was just trying to say that like I wasn't disagreeing when I was Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah for sure So I'll pivot off of what sabrina said is Zyg I think we can I want to theorize the story real quick I think what's going to happen is since zygarde his whole story relevance is that he shows up when The environment is under turmoil or yeah, isn't under, you know, turmoil or whatever Uh, I think what's going to happen is you are this is I don't know if this is going to be based necessarily in the past Like like as far back as legends was but I bet it'll be something I bet it'll be something like the industrial revolution and You know, you know all the pollution they came about then and so I'm sure they will be Zygarde will appear because you're making too big of a city. You're you're developing too much stuff Well, I think that that would be an absolutely awesome take because I was kind of concerned at first because I was like Is this set in the past or is this set in the future? Or it's like present time because there's a lot of neon lights and then you've also got like the hand drawn plans or the plat of the city and then So like I was wondering what what is it? What time frame is it going to be set in but I really like your take on it as far as like It could be that like they overdeveloped the city and now we're redeveloping it Um, I think that that's a super interesting take. I would love to see that that would be super cool I'm slow down for redesigning a whole city. I mean, I love animal crossing. So this is like straight A popular consensus is that it is similar like the other one that it's in the past, right? And that you're actually building the city hence them showing the blueprint in the Presents and but the other reason that like supports that and that I hope like that is a cool idea But the only reason I want it to be in the past for this one specifically is because uh I would love to see like the az storyline An x and y was actually really interesting It would be war and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. If this was during that war Unlike easy So that's what I was hoping for in x and y we got like I think people give x and y a little too much credit Sometimes because they did not explain this war very much Like the war the whole big pokemon war We did not find out hardly anything about it when you really go back and you really look at it Even when you try to read between the lines, there is really not a whole lot about this massive pokemon war and it to me i'm just kind of like Big big ass missed opportunity right there. Um, so I am hoping that with pokemon legends Zaw that we do get some uh, some some information about this pokemon war I think it being set during the war is a super cool idea I hope it is set in the past, but specifically during the war would be a really bad ass idea I'm just saying I want to know more about this whole war thing My only fear is that as much as I would like that and as compelling as that would be And as much as the pokemon fans deserve a well thought out well fleshed out story I don't know if it's culturally appropriate and we know how nintendo is with You know culturally inappropriate stuff like all the stuff going on around the world I don't know if they're going to touch on it has been inappropriate before Like and they're not nintendo. They're just 33 on the nintendo. That's true. That's true I'm just saying like if nintendo is trying to avoid You know what I mean, they are freaks. Um, that is true. I didn't read about that But i'm just saying like I think that there's a potential that we might not get that and if we don't i'm going to be kind of I'll be slightly disappointed, but i'm really looking forward to seeing what this game has to offer I only got the imprinted in war four times. So no, yeah, yeah true I wanted to mention something that uh, vlam brought up about how some of the community thinks there might be some sort of a city builder aspect to it I have a really hard time visualized visualizing them going this route Um, I don't know. I have a really hard time seeing game freak making the next City builder. What I what I see is this right like stop it. They don't need to add stuff that they also are going to Yeah, they're having a hard time putting out a quality Pokemon game You know performance or whatever They really need to to nail that they really need to prove themselves. Yeah. Hey, we hear you hear your complaints We're giving you something solid But what I what I expect more is that as the story progresses as you hit certain marks in the game Maybe new Parts of the city are being opened up to you. They've been developed. You're hitting those story beats that open up new areas for I want I just want to be able to build a cafe The exact verbiage it uses in the pokemon serbinette wiki is This game takes place in the callos regions lumio city where an urban redevelopment plan is underway to reshape the city So I don't think you're building anything from scratch but it seems like It could be present day and you're re changing everything or it could be It could be a mixture like you're in the past and you're making it into what the city is today But I mean, there's just so many details in sure vague at this moment. But yeah, that's that is the exact verbiage that Um, yeah, I mean it could be it could be very basic like hey, which sector would you like the librarian? Yeah, true. Yeah, it could be as big as that. I'm down. I I can't wait My biggest complaint about arceus was that it felt too empty So having it all be in a city Is kind of exciting to me like that would be sure and my Couldn't go in any buildings at all If the entire game is contained to lumio city Where's a pokemon going to be out? How are we going to catch pokemon? um There's like different quadrants or it's more than four but different like sections It kind of looks like midgar in final fantasy seven like I can relate to that So I have a theory that came into my head while I was thinking about this earlier You know how like in black black and white or black two and white two I cannot remember what the name of the city is. I think it's castelia city Where there is a park inside the city that has wild Uh that has tall grass in it where you can catch wild pokemon I wonder if they're going to go that route where like Do what? Is castelia city the one that's like new york city after the breeze? Yeah, I I believe so I believe so castelia city the big one Um, but yeah, they have like a park that has tall grass in it and you can catch pokemon So I would assume that if it is going to be contained to lumios That that might be the way that they go about allowing the player to catch pokemon because clearly. I mean they they showed Footage or not footage but an animation of somebody throwing a pokeball So that implies that you are going to be able to catch them I wonder if it's going to be like how in x and y y'all remember the safari zone How you could like change it out and it would change the types of pokemon that you could find So like I wonder if like depending on the kind of layout that you have for a specific section That determines what kind of pokemon you'll be able to catch It's a thought but I don't know that would be cool I hope I hope A massive city Like in all those quadrants. There's just different. It's different environments. There's just different pokemon. It's like that huge You know what I mean May I have an image that that somebody shared on my discord if you want to share it Of the areas like they think well, they want to end the divided the areas for the for lumino city um Yeah, so like five areas Yeah, so this is what this is what I was saying like I feel like in the story new areas are going to open up to you Like maybe you start and you just have one of those sections available Yeah, you know, you unlock the second area than the third area but I Jake you made a really good point about how the first um legends game rcs felt kind of empty And it almost felt kind of like a proof of concept it I feel similar feelings with breath of the wild to tears of the kingdom where Tears felt like a much more dense and feature rich experience. Yeah, as great Gamer because uh Like It being empty isn't necessarily a knock like breath of the wild But a lot of people thought it felt like a tech demo compared to tears of the kingdom So it's not like necessarily like yeah Absolutely But what I think would be really cool and this is you know, getting a little weird with with uh, pokemon But uh, we all know the pokemon world has a serious gang problem. Um, so i'm just imagining this big city What just infested with gang members, you know, the weird guy in the alley. Oh my god more I hope it's not player because team flair are not good Not good I mean if it is in the past like team flair not even team rocket something right so like all right I could see like a new team like I mean I hope so I didn't really like team flair. So but I could see some holigans Up in here. Yeah, some kid with shorts who loves to battle Yeah, so this will be the entire map. There was none. There's nothing out here in this area. Yep Yeah, I could see the concept of I mean each of those old The way that works it looks like those empty spaces could just be like wilderness with pokemon. Yep. That's what I'm thinking Yeah, yeah Also the city if this is like a one-to-one by the way, this this looks amazingly massive And I know I've I've heard nothing but like people trying to frame it Serbin and cinder leaks trying to frame it as a as a uh negative thing and I I just I'm like this looks sick to me Like here's the thing every pokemon fan for like the last 20 years has wanted a game That's multiple regions like if not all of the regions like What we got in golden silver and then maybe even like a third region or something So to see like something that we wanted so much and then have it take a step back in in their eyes Like it can be I can see how a lot of pokemon fans will be frustrating We know how pokemon fans can be but like I'm with you guys like I'm thinking like Not to just throw out like a generic comparison But honestly like I think a lot of people are better excited about are thinking like grand theft auto like level of city like with so Can I throw something out there real quick? Yes, so I'm thinking I am thinking that this is actually Going to be a good thing the fact that they've scaled it down um because clearly pokemon has a hard time doing gigantic maps and um gigantic large spaces So if we're scaling it down that means that this tiny little lumio city is going to be content packed and or Right or at least Hopefully hopefully feature rich and dense I know with rc is one of the things that I really missed as a pokemon fan was gyms, you know I love gyms and in gym battles and I always look forward to those in pokemon games So I like I hope there's a robust amount of gyms in here and like gyms are opening up as the city is being rebuilt Um, but I do have I do have a concern with like I I get what you guys are saying with like having something a little bit more compact and less open world per se But at the same time, I do have concerns, especially because we know this is a switch one title Possibly cross gen, you know, that's yet to be um yet to be announced if if that's the case, but I am a little bit worried about a very dense and robust city in how that's going to perform with a company that's struggled to you know Get I mean it's it's game series that it's The poppin is gonna be your best bad textures Like yeah, and hopefully hopefully that is not the case Hopefully like because it is so condensed that they will put their time into the textures They will put their time into making sure that it runs well Like because they don't have this massive gigantic world to focus on Hopefully they can put their energies into some of the more detailed aspects and Judging just from this picture alone. It looks like it is fairly detailed. So I'm hoping that that extends to all parts of the game including um Including the poppin and the textures and you know the graphics and yeah and everything Like I really do hope that What what is gonna what's gonna be the nail in the coffin is if they Reduce the size of this world to just lumeo city and it still has poppin and it still has poor textures And it's still is super freaking buggy Absolutely, um, you know Cricutunes all over the bed all over the damn game like we're gonna not the pokemon itself Right as the bugs like if we have bug issues, it is going to drive people away from pokemon No, I see what you did there I don't know Yeah In droves, but but you know then again, there's always the people like me who no matter what they do. I'm still gonna buy it Yeah, yeah, I'm not I am the problem. Hi I'm the problem too. I buy every mainline pokemon game and I always like it's always the First week, you know, I'm just like this is the greatest ever This is the best pokemon ever and it's always like after that first week that I take off the rose tinted glasses.  I feel like it's going to be I don't know if controversial is the right word, but controversial is the word. So I don't know Yeah, yeah I have high hopes for this to this game. I think that they're gonna I think they're gonna do it a good job on it. Um, I'm gonna go compared to let um violence scarlet I think with this one. I agree with Sabrina. I think because I love violence Taking their time. I hope it doesn't come out in january. I really hope it doesn't come out in january I hope it comes out In the middle of the year. Maybe maybe the at november next year I finally have something to add So, uh Game freak does have multiple teams working on multiple projects And I wonder if the pokemon legends rc's team literally just went straight from rc's into making this game So it's actually been in development for quite some time I would think some money that that is the case just because of like Uh, yeah, like like you said they split the teams and so I would say that they have like a team now dedicated to That and then I like since we're always That name is like if that's true like I it it does make me nervous We haven't talked about it yet, but they didn't show like anything really. Yeah They showed like the concepts of the city. I think well, I think So just just just to be clear I think that one thing the pokemon company did last year is and Took a lot of people by surprise. They started showing pokemon stuff in directs So I think what they wanted to do is just get this out here now for just the hardcore pokemon fans The only people who watch presents and the general gaming audience that I they probably feel like latched on the legends rc's in the first place I'm not I'm not asking for a whole thing. Show me five seconds. Yes There is a rumor direct happening in april and you might get your five seconds there Don't It makes me nervous. That's all I'm saying If this game is cross gen two, they might want to show up for the first time running on a switch too Don't forget and that and that leads me to my next point that I think could be a good transitional topic Are you just like advertising like vitamins over there? These are great if you feel like I know what they are. They sell them at walmart. They sell them at walmart. I know Okay, so I'm just I hope I hope that phavelam is right I really do. I hope you are correct. I hope that they did just go from Legends arceus to this one and I hope that they do have a dedicated team to this game And if so, maybe the concept maybe the whole reason that they're just showing us the concept art right now or the you know, just You know advertising kind of thing is that I think What is the possibility that they are showing us that because this is going to be only for switch two and switch two Hasn't been announced yet. Well, it's not only for switch two because they included Yeah, they have to switch logo in it Oh, okay I think it's on switch two At all. I think it's been developed just for switch I mean that isn't a thing that it would just be for switch, right? Yeah, that's that's how they usually do it I will say I will admit when when I watched the pokemon presents for the first time I was like, oh, shit Did we just see like the first tease of a switch two game because normally before any switch game trailer They do the logo with this with the snap sound effect And that's in the trailer that they posted afterwards, but in the presents. It doesn't do that So when it first was showing I was like, oh snap did we switch to no snap? But then then of course at the very end of of the trailer did show the little square that said nintendo switch But yeah, well, they had me for a moment. There are two there are two things I think you could throw here is so one The positive, you know, copium view of this is oh, yeah, they're taking their time with it We can go back to that question. I was donated. I don't know who donated it. It's made it. Um Oh, yeah, they're slowing down. They might be letting it cook to the I I saw arlo Blue puppet man. He he gave the opinion of While that could be the case it could always be the case that they are waiting for switch to to launch And that is why I got pushed not because they're not because the messaging internally actually got to them But that they they're waiting for the second switch And why does that give me the ick It does because All games on the on the system that just beginning, you know, right now we have 150 other people versus I really hope Oh, sorry Yeah, I hope not I mean, but that's but that's a good point though for flam like that is possible That is a really good point. I mean, I know arlo said it, but I'm glad that you brought it up here because yeah, that's definitely a possibility but also keep in mind like Not to say that like Game freak is for sure going to put it on switch too But I will I will argue that even though in the past they've always released a new one on the previous gen even post launch of a new console They're making big open pokemon games and they have been getting slammed released after release for being Not performing well Really bad textures horrible like just horrible Experience not horrible experiences, but you guys know what I'm what I'm saying Especially scarlet might be the first time that they had right like general negative press There could be interest that they never really had before when developing like hey Like we're getting berated release after release even though they still sell really well Maybe we should put this on Newer hardware as well to kind of alleviate some of the restrictions we have on on the base switch Yeah, well the only downside to that is speculation Right. Yeah, but the downside to that is that if they if they rest on their laurels in doing so they're gonna have a bad time Like they if they are if they're gonna put a game If they're gonna bring a pokemon game to switch to they need to be on their a game Because people are gonna be expecting that people are like I eat me personally. I've been giving them way too much benefit of the doubt. I think You know, but it's it's my favorite franchise.  I'm biased, but at the same time if If we get a pokemon game that comes out on the switch too and it looks a little too similar to To a sword and shield or a little too similar to scarlet and violet as far as looks and performance is concerned I will be highly highly highly disappointed The gap between scarlet and violet and sword and shield is a lot I think the Sword and shield and the gap between that and the 3ds games was like almost nothing But I do think they made like even though the performance was pretty shitty at times I do think scarlet and violet was so much better than sword and shield So I think they're on the right trajectory I'm like, even though there's been a lot of hate their games I think they very clearly listened like the fact that pokemon archies was made Was from listening to what people wanted and trying to give us exactly that Scarlet and violet people wanted still wanted the traditional thing But they wanted all this different stuff implemented So they tried to give us all of that and I think they bit off more than they could chew Which is why you can't go in the buildings like a lot of stuff, but It seems to me like they're listening and they are making improvements whereas I think before that pokemon kind of peaked in the ds era And then it was all downhill from there and then finally sword and shield was the bottom And i'm not saying that like It was a little lower than sword and shield was a little lower. That's what i'm saying I get the concept of trajectory was down. Yeah, and I think finally now the trajectory is going back up That's that's what I mean. So I am There's got nowhere else to go but up, you know, this is Probably unpopular opinion, but I actually really love let's go the let's go game Yes, and maybe maybe part of that Is Well, I think part of it is definitely the nostalgia. I I really don't say that's fair. You don't have to say that No I'm listening game bird Come on Oh When I have a bad take gives a whole new gives a whole new definition of peacocking You know me No No, let's go like let's go was uh, it was a not like nostalgia definitely played a factor in it, but It played great. It was a lot of fun. I liked the art style. It was simple, but it was it was charming and Q and it I don't know it was I thought it was Probably even though I like legends more because I like that freedom. I like it taking that step to the next level What I want pokemon to be Looking back on all of them with all my gripes let's goes probably my my favorite of of the switch pokemon with Our rcs a very close second. It's just some of the like jake mentin earlier some of the emptiness Um, it kind of feeling like a proof of concept I can see where where the legend series can go and that gets me really excited as long as game freak really Commits themselves to putting out a quality pokemon game and they can do it. There's no excuse I know a lot of people like to throw out. Oh, they they were doing handheld games their first time on a home console There are a lot of companies that are A lot smaller have a lot less resources. We're working on consoles for the first time No, excuse. You got the money. You got the resources. Give us quality pokemon And hopefully rc or not rcs 2 legends 2 is going to be um, you know a head turner Perfect. Yeah The other thing is one thing that I think everyone here wanted was them to like Take a year off like and just like spend time making a game good And the way everything's lining up with the card games and the anime It looks like we're kind of getting that a little bit like they are able to like really work on stuff So i'm excited for not only legends, but generation 10 whenever that gets now 26 and my only other question to you guys is like do you think That like black and white like remakes by ilka could still come out this holiday I just didn't want to announce Not I don't know if it would be this holiday Yeah, but I really want to Maybe 2020 maybe spring 2025 So they would have two in the same year One this year because this would be the first time in history that Pokemon didn't have a game come out two years in a row Especially if it's um, if it's made by elka, I could see it happen in 25 I don't think or I don't think it's I don't think we get any new big mainline pokemon games I could maybe see like a spinoff or something, but I feel like they would have announced that I think it's genuinely like they are just Taking I think I think you're right. It could be a spinoff, but I do think something pokemon comes out 2024 by the end of the year probably So on a scale of one to ten, where are we at one being i'm not excited I don't care. I I could care less about a pokemon legends game ten being I'm pooping my pants. I'm super excited Where are we at? You know, it's just like it's purely based on The promise of the first game and our hopes right because they've shown nothing Yeah, I enjoyed the first game overall. Um, yeah, and I think you can use this to transition to the next topic is Like we were saying it could be delayed because of the switch Uh next topic Nate What's going on switch? Are we doing or do you want to go? No, let's go to switch because it kind of makes sense Since this was okay, that's fine because the biggest thing about this is there's a lot of expectations Something would be announced from pokemon for this holiday Uh people are considered to be safe even though it was just going to be another outsourced btsp situation Uh, which might still exist. I don't know. Maybe maybe not. Uh, I could still get announced at a future event You know the year's not over. It's early, but um the interesting part is Without a pokemon game, but at least at this point we'd nothing known not even a spin-off game or anything known coming out later this year Outside of all their remakes and remasters they have coming in princess peach 2024 looking too hot right now for switch Is there any like concern that that's going to be a very weak year? I mean, I'll give you a real 2024 looks rough in general for gaming especially With all the layoffs and everything else. Oh my yes. Yeah I think yeah layoffs for sure. So it's it's been a terrible year for the industry so far But I think as far as games go maybe not yet for nintendo, but as far as games that are coming this year I think I think this year is already off to a phenomenal star especially Um, I don't know about you guys, but if you're an jrpg fan Like you are in for a ride this year. There are a lot of fantastic Jeregis persona Meta We have one other new nintendo game endless ocean Lumos I'm a big endless ocean fan. So So yeah, so I have never even heard of it. I was excited to see it. I was like, I don't know what this is This is the only reason I know what it is is because of game grumps That's it Good. So I I played the hell out of the first endless ocean and the site and the second one but Um at the time I was in college. I was studying marine biology. So I was like, hell, yeah I'm gonna be on my way and learn for school Yeah, I love I love learning on my way But now as far as the remainder of 2024 is concerned, I mean it's looking a little scratchy looking a little looking a little, uh Maybe a little shy on the excitement there And those had years like this before where everyone was like Like the second half is going to be not a lot and then they would have like a like a may direct And then they would just completely fill up the year and it was like crazy Sure The problem we came into we came into this year Well, the difference is at least for me and I'm only I go speak to my own game taste Is coming into this year there wasn't like a big game to excite me Yeah, even in the first half like yeah, there's a lot of content None of it's exciting to me Yeah, it's Everything every single year of switch. I've been a big first half game. There just isn't this time Um, so then you're like, oh, you're just banking and hoping that there's something in the second half So now I got I think it's common for them to not have great first First half games Like I remember Yoshi's Woolly World was the biggest one year on a pretty stacked year Which is like the same as like princess peach in terms of height for me It was one of the earlier ones. I think it was a teen. I don't know what year uh, Yoshi Holy world release date Well, last year we had a good year. That wasn't your switch. That was before switch. You talking about crafted world Yeah, yeah, probably All right, crafted world release date. So that came out in 2019 Uh, um I'm trying to see what else came out exclusively in 2019. Uh, just to see what okay, um Okay, I'm trying to see things I hadn't really seen because I know that was Luigi's Mansion 3 but that was second half Um Oh, they had already announced animal crossing But that well that didn't come out that didn't come out that didn't come out to Already we technically we technically in the first half, although it didn't come out till summer. We did know about astral chain Yeah That's the same level as well, but we also But we don't that's the thing we knew fire emblem three houses We knew about that game already before it came out in july like we already knew that game coming into the year was coming So like that's what I'm saying. We don't know about any big game unless you want to argue metric prime 4 But we've known them about that since 2017 and the status hasn't changed still tba Yeah, I don't think I don't think that there's like I think we're gonna get I think there's a chance we get some solid Releases, but I don't think we're gonna get any juggernaut title Um, you know possibly prime 4 if that's you know, if that's gonna be a uh switch exclusive Maybe a switch version at a later time But I mean we're on the heels of a new console launch For rumored for early next year The the holiday game for all we know could be and this again, this is This would be exciting for a lot of people. It's obviously not a new mario or or um, you know a new mario kart But maybe their holiday title is that remaster of wind waker and twilight princess something that's exciting But not your big Your your big release. Maybe we get some more cool third party stuff like an astral chain too You mentioned astral chain. I know their deca police is one of the games that's in the works You know, maybe some more stuff along along that level But I don't know it's tough Knowing that uh switch 2 is possibly delayed into early next year really really changes at how you look at that this year And like I could go back to that 2019 year like I'm even looking at this point in the year We already knew about super mario maker 2 was coming. We knew about a new pokemon game That was announced literally at a pokemon presents. This is the first time we've been in a year We don't know about any like I would This is speculation, but I think you're making mountain out of mulhill I think that they're just gonna have a direct and announce months more stuff And I think that part of the reason why It's not announced as soon as it has been in other years is because they just had to delay their whole follow-up system which probably Mess everything up to how they were going to announce things And I think they're just reworking that I think when the next direct comes Well, well, you know Then you're kind of arguing that their plan was switched to this year. You don't just suddenly I think that is the consensus Okay, so if their plan was switched to this year and it's been delayed then they don't magically just have a bunch of switch games to reveal They would that would actually support there isn't much left to come. They will maybe if they're games either way Maybe they're cross-platform. Yeah, but I'm talking about like really big games And so my my point like games they make me excited I'm not excited for any of the current lineup coming up for the rest of So far for the rest of 2020 like I'm just talking about for myself I mean, I know but if the argument is that well their plan was switched to well switched shoes pushed back Then that means all the exciting games are pushed back. So there won't be anything exciting for me this year Well, I think there would still be exciting switch games like pokemon would have is was always probably planned to be just a switch game And I think there's I think there's a holiday pokemon game coming And I think that there's true with other franchises that don't need the power of a switch too That would still be coming out Cross gen and they don't that they're still fine to release those just need to rework their presentations and how they're doing everything Since they're delay switch too and then Nintendo they're going to be very like they're going to make sure it's perfect Just how they want and I think it's fine I Remasters and ports. I think we'll get remasters and ports. I think we'll get some cool third party stuff again Like I said not juggernaut titles. It's not going to be, you know, your new mario your new mario cart your new zelda um But like hey, we've gotten yeah, we've gotten we've gotten announcements that are really cool, you know, like dredd I think was that announced two months before before it launched I was announced in june Okay, june and then that one was it august or september that that was uh, october Okay, so you know a few months before before launch. So I don't know Before was the old that they announced the switch old that that's right. Then they had the white Joy cons that everyone was like, oh, that's a metroid dredd system That's right.  You know, it would be really cool that would come out that could come out in 2024 It could come out anytime, but you know, it would be cool if they released like the old school pokemon games on the gba On the nintendo switch online That would be cool Play pokemon games On youtube shorts It would also be cool if maybe they put out like a ds For the nintendo switch online. I don't think it'll happen, but it would be cool Yeah Yeah, I think it'd be nice Okay, yeah, I think the s makes sense to come to switch to where they Have a gimmick implement two screens better Like maybe you can be playing the actual switch to and have a screen on your tv at the same time like or maybe There's a very clever Or maybe there's a clever way where it's not obvious But the controllers can actually just connect to the side and you can hold your switch sideways and you have a top screen Yeah, or you can or you can have That's reason to do that because there are some games that use vertical on switch But I was sitting there like, you know the one thing that would prevent ds from doing that would be well The joy cons don't connect to the side But what if there was a clever way where it doesn't look like they do but they actually do connect so it doesn't look weird I don't want to look weird I don't need rails everywhere. I don't need four rails all around. But you know So or or some sort of tech that tethers it to the tv without having to physically No, here's what they do planning to bring ds and 3ds They don't have to put the rails just include an accessory that nobody uses except for that purpose Um, yeah, how many of you even use those damn little tiny things to make the buttons bigger on the side? When you hold the joycon sideways It Yeah, or I don't know if they would do this but like If you have the two joycons If like one controls the bottom screen and the other one controls the top screen, I don't think I would do that but Just an idea like I gotta be honest with you guys whenever people talk about bringing the old pokemon games or like Bring 3ds or ds to Nintendo online.  They don't want to risk getting viruses from downloading ROMs They certainly don't want to go into like hacking their actual 3ds They don't They don't deserve to play those games I can't just agree more. I feel like I feel It should just be more accessible Having your identity stolen just so you can play pokemon. No, I get it and people that like I do get that But just for me personally, it's just so not exciting to be like, oh this game that you could have played every single day for the last 20 years Now you can play it here too Like if for me, it's not very I I just I would like like, you know, if I were to have a kid I would hope that they would be able to play a genuine pokemon game on a genuine nintendo system And not have to play at all janky on a computer, you know, like I hope that they Are able to go back and have the experiences that I want or just for those people that want that are like me or I think you said that you do the same thing like whenever you go into a new Um game series you like to go back to the oldest version and like play your way up Jake You put it really well you put it that's like I there's no way I can respond to that without like and like disagree with you without being a huge dick So I've got like well well put Let's just be honest. You're two inch. We can't go that far. Um destroyer. Okay. You leave out the destroyer I just wish that they would I just wish that they would I would I would like for pokemon pinball to come to So speaking of like kids enjoying things My children played the hell out of the nest and SNES classic I would love more classic systems like that coming up with collection Then they truly are getting that kind of experience I did when I was younger But in a more convenient way And not having to have 70 thousand triple or double a batteries around Right or for like my grandma who loves those old school games and now she can play them on the switch I would just I would like to see like if I'm paying monthly or annually for nso Uh, I feel like we should be getting more content. I don't know. Maybe that's just me Yes, no, I agree. I agree and we know nintendo already Plans a smooth transition from nso from switch to switch to to it's the successor They're running out of games that people are going to really care about to sign up for switch online They really got to build up that that library and give people a reason to you know Want to experience that and enjoy it ds is one of the best-selling consoles of all time The thought of having that entire library locked on the ds or locked on the 3ds Is is criminal and jake, I hear you people can emulate and play outswear But for a lot of people and for most people probably they'd like to play it on their switch, you know and play it at home and on the go and Well playing Like a subpar experience anyways It would I will agree And less switch to 3ds are more expensive now Buy one and whatever the cost you're paying for the 3ds itself And like a 500 gigabyte memory card or sd card It takes like 30 minutes To learn how to hack it and be able to place any game It is so easy and you don't have to understand a thing You can watch a youtube video That takes you step by step a 10 minute video and it might you might have to keep pausing So it takes you 30 minutes But literally a 10 minute video that tells you exactly how to do it with links to everything you need And then you have a 3ds with the entire library Forever, you know what I mean? So that's Mike I feel like you've been awfully quiet, Mike. I want to know Mike's opinion Come on Mike I do not condemn piracy. I want to stand up front there second I'm not against emulation, you know, um, but um, yeah Can I go back to the nintendo switch liner for the year? We're sick. Yeah. Yeah So far we have one two three four five six games counting in this ocean So that's already half of the year and if you don't count december because nintendo hasn't released a game The past three three years in december. That's like sales Then we had said we have maybe four four four months left five months Um left for the nintendo to release games um, I have a little Graphic here. Can I share it? Yeah I want to see here. I mean they have a lot of content coming just none of it interests me Yeah, uh, this is uh, this is photoshop. By the way, just uh right here. So Can you see it? Yeah All right, so basically this this is uh the the fiscal year right from march to february start tomorrow too So this is what nintendo has so far. Um march this one and then they have Make it bigger by choose. Oh, yeah. Yeah, hold on I can make it bigger on my end too He's there.  All right better. Yeah All right. So yeah, so um, if the rumored nintendo direct happens, right? Um, I'm going back to what, um Jeff grubb said about him hearing about metroid having some type of presentation. He said may right Yeah, but then he also said that now he was a long time ago. We heard that so it's probably not yeah So let's say let's say that let's say that he heard something Maybe it's still lingering somewhere out there, right? Then I would actually make more sense if it happens during the nintendo direct in april And so we have some metroid things happening where of course we will get that shadow drop metroid prime two and three Uh hd and so I will put that in april then an endless ocean was announced for may in june paper mario 1000 year door summer. Um luigi's mansion hd then we I can't I can't think about I guess right now Um, this is one of my subscribers shows us time to modachi world Yes, a lot of people are asking for that game. Um in the same directive would announce Um, zelda the ports when we go in twilight princess and then november is when we get metroid prime four as this year's big title Yeah, and then of course in december is Time to spend your money go broke Then of course I put these two uh this this means uh 3d world mario game for switch two and the new mario carpet, which is that I would say if nintendo has a lineup like this For me for me i'm okay waiting for 2025 for the switch to because at least we have Some games that at least my in my opinion. I wasn't able to play this one or this one or these two, you know um, so This will be a good lineup for me It for nintendo to actually have um lined up for the rest of the year, although I am not On board with 2025. I still think we'll see switch before I'm sticking to it if if nintendo reveals a switch to this year. It's coming out this year I don't see a way For nintendo president furukawa being a finance a finance guy to just throw away a holiday season You know and and just you know Check it out to a price drop one into the switch to sell consoles They won't sell anything if the announcement is the 10 million switch to season early 2025 If switch two is launching with a new If switch two is launching with the main uh, a new mainline 3d mario or the next mario kart game I don't think they care at all about launching on holiday because they know either of those is going to move units personally But I do agree. I think it's I do agree that I think it's better to launch holiday just because You know all the parents are out everyone Like it's the hot item that all the kids are going to want for for christmas and stuff like that But I do think I do think nintendo is thinking a lot about what they're going to launch this Console with and what their first year lineup is going to look like It's a huge reason for the success of the switch was having a killer first year having a big mario big zelda I don't think they care about when as long as they have that killer game ready Yeah, yeah, and I I I keep saying if nintendo reveals this year It's coming out this year. That's what I believe if they reveal this year it's coming out this year. This is all in case The it is it is thrown back to switch to uh switch to and this will be an alternate reality Where nintendo could actually give us good good game this year or ports to push it back and you know Keep some people happy, you know Yeah, there's plenty of people that'll be happy. Like if you like cozy games, there's a lot of interesting stuff on that horizon For me this year isn't as doom and gloom Thousand year doors one of my favorite games of all time. So I'm really excited about that title But I I hear people, you know, it is probably gonna be a lighter Letter year than we were all hoping for All right, do we do we think that a new smash game is going to come out with switch to Maybe Not for the launch year, but I think we'll get a smash on on switch to 2026 maybe if they're if they're working on it right now It's kind of indicated that he's back to working. So it's probably already working on it. So All right, give us a new subspace emissary, please True I think whatever it is, it's going to be very different than people expect Yeah, no reinventing a new direction. So Yeah, no, I agree. Uh, I think that's the right thing to do, but I do you want a story mode I love like the weird games like that could be the direction. Maybe it's a heavy story on the multiplayer is like an afterthought I don't know about an afterthought but that Just nintendo's so weird and quirky. You just give us a weird story as to why all these characters are duking it out Make it so weird That nintendo's at their best when they're really level quality. We if we sell them are you will be I expect that now for every cut period Only thing that makes a smash story a little hard is the fact that Nintendo used a lot of characters that aren't theirs And the companies that own the especially characters are very protective of their properties when it comes to actual story stuff like It would be I'm sure a lot of companies would be open to stuff They might want different things and to get everyone to agree on like I think they're gonna reset mash and it's only gonna be nintendo characters and that's the change Nintendo I think people would hate that Yeah, I would here's the thing people are gonna hate it regardless because it's not gonna have a billion characters like the last game You know what? You know, what would be cool if smash literally said they can't do it again They can't do that again. That was the point of all the nintendo always tells the truth about everything What for it does sacrifice was very open on everything It would be cool if smash just made a fire emblem version just smash fire emblem Because they have so many fire emblem characters The sacrifice probably got his own private build. That's nothing but fire Right, that would be I mean I would be down Tournament is for pokemon and it wasn't really that popular And pokemon is a much more popular franchise than there's gonna be a free to play game Free to play game now and it's gonna be uh, you know, you don't have to buy every move they they they make and stuff and you know If people say With all honesty, I would I believe that a good a good route for the game will be to actually have Players level up and you can actually train your own player You know and then that way when in competitive all you've been training this player teaching him new moves and stuff like that in order You know, there's a pattern out there where um, there's a pattern where it allows you to to carry Either pokemon or or characters in the controller like a via like a Thing right and so let's say you want you want to compete in a tournament you carry your own players Well, I did that with let's go you got the controller. Yeah, so so Yeah, I it's show like a little joy con kind of controller where you can actually carry Uh, that's cool information information. Give me save data. Give me save data or or a character And so maybe have a structure where you can train Your your your players now, right? You can actually train each player you dedicate yourself to one player Train that player to the max teach all all all the moves and stuff and then Have that player compete and that way when you play with your friends. Oh, how long have you been training? Oh, I've been training this guy for for eight months now I have him this level this so many moves at this level whatever, you know, just add something to make it interesting rather than just throw it out there You know, oh this with games like Smash brothers and mario kart I would love like a story of mario kart, but I think nintendo Wants to make those games like Ones that you can come back to over and over and over and just jump into a quick match And I wish they had like story modes too Like for sure like I love diddy Kong racing and like crash team racing if you guys ever play that But like I think nintendo is like well if you want a story game buy one of our story games If you want a racing game, let's keep it a racing game if you want this fighting game Let's keep it a fighting game. Yeah, like they just try to walk into ones and so many Genres and they're they're open to using their ips for different stuff like there's a billion different kind of mario games, right like But like whatever game it is they want to keep it that kind of game They've always been not the best with stories Right. That's I mean that that's a that's a fair point But I mean subspace emissary was kind of like a like a story mode and you know They've done little story modes in some of the mario sports games Before so I wouldn't say it's impossible and if sacrized looking to kind of reinvent the wheel a little bit having a story mode That's you know Doesn't have to have the level of detail is like a new mortal combat game where it has like really goes hard on a story But something fun for your first playthrough and I think it would be cool to tie it in with One of the things I really miss from the older smash games is secrets like bring back secrets in games I remember being in middle school and someone telling me um in a Melee that if I left I left the game on for 24 hours it would unlock me too. I was like bullshit I I love like all that We didn't have like the internet that could just of course In five seconds so they could do that and today and no one would care because they just watch a youtube video That's true, but I wouldn't do it. I don't like spoilers. I like I mean unless there was like a kid I have not figured this out, but there was something less About characters just showing up just from just from playing it. That's for me. That's me personally I kind of like uh, if you're like, oh, wow, I like I because I did this It like now I get to challenge this character and try and try and get them in the roster I don't think it's a little bit cheap when they just let it now Is to have like different conditions. So like the same thing doesn't unlock it consistently. Yeah, so like you know what I mean Yeah, I think the randomizer Like a few different ways, but they don't always all works. You can't look it up kind of you can You can try you can look up all the different things, but Like organically oh here we go You know I swear they pokemon needs to add in freaking nuzlocke mode Like Right then I don't under like they're so against it for somebody.   You don't need that because you can just you can play a nuzlocke. You don't need it to be like It doesn't matter No, you need it Well, it's like that. I'll like it like You can do with smash bros sort of what you want, but it should would be nice if nintendo would actually support it Yeah I'm just saying I'm just saying pokemon is inherently at this point I mean until you get to like towards the end of the game I mean pokemon is like almost inherently a little too easy You know, I mean people started doing the nuzlocke to make it more challenging And I'm just like I'm just saying I think I think they need to get over this whole I hate that our players came up with a better way to play the game Well, no, no, here's why I hate that it's because pokemon has enough things they need to fix and take care of You can play a nuzlocke on any official pokemon game right now And like if you're telling me that like when you're one of your pokemon feints Instead of you putting it in the pc or releasing it that you want the game to automatically do that like Yeah, like it doesn't really yeah, but it doesn't really make a difference. I'd rather than work on other stuff But I'm sorry. I got it. I got it. I gotta push back on you just a little bit jake. Yeah Go I would so much rather.  All right. I'm tired of it I hate them so much and if they would take all of the energy that went into making rice for a sandwich And put it into I don't know just coding in a couple of little things to make it possible for you to play with nuzlocke rules I feel like you would be Making a shit ton of people happy The pokemon company would be making a whole lot of new friends And I feel like it would give other players the opportunity to try something new and enjoy the pokemon games in a more challenging way and um, I think that Uh, nintendo not nintendo necessarily, but either the pokemon company or game freak whoever's doing it has been slowly But surely making these pokemon games easier and easier and easier now That being said that being said I do think that they increased the difficulty a little bit with scarlet and violet The terastalization definitely threw in an additional challenge, but especially ever since Yeah, especially in the dlc Yeah, it was good and challenging. That's what i'm looking for but x and y a little too easy oras Had no had absolutely no busy business being as easy as it was when we had emerald who set the stage for Challenging being a challenging pokemon game um Sun and moon it did get a little bit better with sun and moon It was slightly more challenging with ultra sun and ultra moon sun and moon itself Maybe not so much ultra sun and ultra moon We did get a little slightly more challenging And then we backtracked all the way back with let's go and I understand why they did it. I understand why that's fine But at the same time, then we went into sword and shield and sword and shield was freaking easy I mean gigantamax Now like I know like no, I'm talking about I'm talking about by making these games Let me just say this Sabrina. Let me just say this I'll I'll back it up. I'll be like it should make the games harder for sure But every single game that you just listed you can sit down and play it and nuzlocke it There's nothing stopping you from doing there with any of these games Nothing, there's nothing stopping the freaking pokemon company from doing it either Like i'm just saying like or game for there's nothing stopping games, right? So that I agree with but that's a different thing Well, see I think the point is jake that that the nuzlocke is a self-imposed restriction That it's easily tempting to cheat on versus a mode that will not let you do that period You will be able to cheat on yourself from from somebody force mode From somebody As somebody who has played a lot of nuzlocke's and has only finished two two All right, it is difficult for me to yep just two. I've only finished two I've played a lot of them. I've done a lot of nuzlocke's But I've only finished two and it would have been a hell of a lot easier for me to sit down And play it all the way through if it were actually a mode that you could actually play Why is it that freaking fire emblem engage has like a normal version a hard version? And then a freaking madness version or whatever it's called Is it called madness or maddening? Something like that Like why is it and if fire emblem you can really choose whether you want your characters to die for or not? Yeah, right? Exactly. Why is it that so many games give you a give you a difficulty setting And let you pick how easy or how hard you want the game to be and pokemon can Pokemon doesn't do it even if they didn't implement the nuzlocke rules I still think that you should be able to choose how difficult you want your game to be I'm just saying that I'm just saying that like nuzlocke is Hyper hyper popular. It is a super popular way to play these games and the fact that that You know the pokemon company or game freak whoever is the one who implements it I would assume that would be game freak, but I think the pokemon company is the executive decision maker on that um I would assume that the reason that they don't want to do it is simply because they don't want more money I don't know. I feel like a lot of people would be down for a freaking little game. I'll give you I'll give you this Okay, I think that with the newer games. They've been making like especially like archies and stuff like that and even like scarlet and violet Those are a little weird for nuzlocke and it might be actually a little harder to implement that in code I get that And this remember I said I wouldn't be excited for like Like if they brought the pokemon games like from gba and ds if they brought those to nso But for those older ones like the 2d sprites Added a nuzlocke option That would be freaking awesome. That would be that would be so cool That would make me excited to have those on nso Yeah, and and on top of that, I don't even think that they should make a nuzlocke pokemon game I don't think that they should ever do that. I just think that they No, no, no, I just I'm just thinking like I hope that nobody is vying for that because that's not what I'm going for. I just want to Yeah, yeah, right. Um, it'll be a good A good dlc. I don't like you know how they do it from breath of the wild They add like that master mode setting to it to make it more difficult and and like You know at the on the side, it'll be awesome Like for example, they release the maze the base game of pokemon, right? However, they want as plain as vanilla they want right make it as simple But then for dlc add those difficulties add a nuzlocke to it so people can kind of oh I'm waiting for that dlc because I can't wait to play that feature. You know, does a nuzlocke just exist Just because the wait, I want one verification to what I was saying and then I'll shut up It's a lot and I'll add I'll add one more thing after you Yeah, you can you can you can finish it out just keep doing the same But like to me like I don't think like anytime you can add an extra option to a game Even if it's not an option you're interested in it's a good thing To me what I was confused about and why I was like, I don't think it's a big deal Like it wouldn't if they did it I wouldn't be upset like the reason I'm not like I don't really care if they do Is because it's like It's something that's so easily done already and I get your argument that it's that it helps to have the restrictions Hard like into the game, but for me, it's like all right if you're playing Like some other game and there's a weapon that you don't like to use You just don't use that weapon. It's not like you're like. Oh, no, like I have to drop the weapon I have and use this like Gotta do it. It's there like right. That's what it's like to me It's like And in fire emblem if they just didn't give you the option to make it to where if you're care if one of your Character dies then they're gone forever. Like if they didn't give you the option if they just Kept the the character playable for the entire game wouldn't that kind of wouldn't you prefer that they at least give you the option to make that a thing But pokemon does give you the option because you can release pokemon So if fire emblem made it so they didn't die But you could if you wanted to just kill them like by releasing them It'll be the same thing and that's kind of what it is I just like the idea of having hard restrictions in place as a game mode But thank you As an epic gamer that's devrina is she needs those hardcore gamer restrictions I do because i'm a little I will not that I will cheat but i'll get frustrated and i'll just be like I don't have time to finish this game Wait, what was the last thing you wanted to say though sabrina? So one of the things that really upsets me Hi, um, one of the things that really upsets me about the pokemon company and game freak on this front is that um Why is it that with smash? When people played melee we found all of the exploits, right like freaking in um Wave dashing all of that stuff. We found all of these cool exploits And then brawl came out all of the exploits were gone and then um Ultimate came out. I'm and I think that there was one for the three for the uh, we you right for yeah Smash for I didn't play smash for so I can't speak to that But I know that in smash ultimate a lot of the exploits that were in melee came back now Not all of them, but a lot of them did why because the developers recognize that the People who are playing the game have decided that they have found a better way to play Or a way that they prefer to play and they're not forcing anybody to use those methods of playing the game they just made it an option for players again, and I think that that takes a lot of um, I guess it just takes a lot of balls for A game developer to look at the At the player base and say well, we didn't intend for this to happen But they're really enjoying this thing that we didn't intend. How about we just make it an option for them? You know, I know awareness Right And they didn't never take them out away Do what? Nugs walking is always an option. They don't they've never taken that away You know, they only copyrighted streams and videos of people doing it because they don't like it It doesn't change how you play it. I know like they're very against it. Like they actively don't like it What I'm saying what I'm saying is that for them to get rid of it They have to get rid of a core mechanic. That's part of other parts of the game So they let they let it be there and you have the option Yeah, I guess we're kind of going in circles Sabrina because I hear you're saying too but like to me It's just like I if they added like an actual toggle on the menu like I'll be fine with that Like it's not a bad thing to add an option, but to me. I just don't I'm so glad the jake is like Do it still there's no way to do it right now, but like I don't know I guess I'll just make it a little easier I feel like If they did a lot of people who play pokemon, especially the adults would absolutely love it and might go out and buy The new pokemon game that's coming out next instead of being like they might be like this is getting too much too much They might be like this is an incentive to buy the new pokemon game that's coming out You know like all I'm saying is that by not doing it nintendo is missing out on an opportunity Or or sorry the pokemon company and game freak are missing out on an opportunity There's a lot of things they don't do that. They're missing out on Yeah, but I guess I'll I can you know what I can definitely agree with you there jake I like like two inch destroyer What's that they don't destroy two inches enough That's that's yeah, you said there's a lot of things they're missing out on and then you smiled So I assumed you were talking about the two inch destroyer. Oh, oh, thank you for everything. That's really nice of you All right, um, let's get to the other topic we we had here Which is quite interesting because we actually had emulation come up quite a bit without even talking about this And that is because nintendo is Literally filed an actual lawsuit not just a cease and desist against the makers of the yuzu emulator Which for those who don't know who that is it's tropic haze llc. They're the people who made it They make a lot of claims. I'm just going to kind of go through some of the stuff I read the all the legal documents for people who do who do not think that nintendo is actually going after emulation You did not read the legal document because they very clearly are going after emulation They are trying to get emulation labeled as illegal So it there's other things they're trying to do to get the emulator shut down all this stuff But they're very clearly trying to make an argument to the courts that that it's illegal. So let's go through some of the stuff um It's that the yuzu allows games to be played illegally on on unauthorized hardware Uh, this says their website does include direct links to key decryption sources Something that is known to technically be illegal That's actually something that's already been decided by courts that you can't have you can't show people and you can't link the people Doing it but their website does so this is kind of one of those things We're like, you know, you're not supposed to download roms people download roms If you're a business like me, you can't provide links for people to download roms But if I did I could get legal trouble for that Yes, so they're providing links towards things that are technically against the law So that is one aspect nintendo might have in this case Moving on they said this isn't actually like They're not going after them because of this or they're just noting that one major game that they were they felt impacted by Was tears at the kingdom last year where over 1 million people were playing it before it came out due to it leaking and through emulators um They claim that the pirate websites themselves were actually advertising when people downloaded the tears of the kingdom rom to use the yuzu emulator I obviously I don't know anything about that because I didn't download the roms. I have no idea They note that yuzu's patreon support actually doubled during the tears of the kingdom file leak Which is them sort of hinting that they were profiting off of nintendo's game by making it more playable on their emulator um nintendo claims in some instances yuzu allows for playing of actual encrypted files Which shouldn't actually be legally possible not just decrypted, but then they really Bumbled the wording there. I don't think they realized or understood what they were talking about Because then they came back and said actually the claim is because yuzu runs prob keys Which are illegal to make the files work and so they say the only way yuzu can actually function is to use something That's illegal. That is actually maybe a key thing that might Work in nintendo's favor is that this thing isn't actually usable without something that's illegal So how can this thing be legal? So we'll we'll that that's we'll get to the discussion on this Um, and this is where nintendo is literally like they're going all they think they have a case to get make emulators illegal If they require using illegal things um, anyways This claim is because uh, okay Wait, I already have the one and they claim to use the founder put on the website instructions And this is the weird one because we've always been hacking has always been legal You've always been able a device you buy you've always been able to modify it, right? That's never actually in the united states. Anyways, I don't know about other countries But now they're kind of Throwing this in there too that maybe they're they're trying to argue. It's not legal Uh, they claim to use the founder put on the website instructions for how to hack your switch and dump game files Now obtaining the keys apparently he might have put instructions to obtain the keys Which is that absolutely would be an illegal thing But instructions on how to hack your switch and dump game files shouldn't actually be illegal Uh, at least it's not in the united states But maybe nintendo is trying to get that reversed and get a new ruling on it that might make it illegal And that's a really big one. Like that's just straight up. You can't hack your systems Yeah, which that can that even falls under like, uh, there's a lot of laws around that so it's like man Yeah, what's the recent thing of like right to repair. That's it that falls in the right to repair kind of stuff like Hacking the system for the purpose of dumping games I guess they're trying to argue people aren't dumping games for backups I think they're trying to argue people are dumping it to back their files I'm they're dumping it to actually play them on an emulator Which they're trying to determine that emulators themselves shouldn't be legal if they require using an illegal key To access the game.  It's encrypted You won't be able to use it on an emulator. You have to get that card has a decrypting is actually illegal And that's the problem is they have to decrypt it to run it on And that hasn't been a thing before until like because the encryption is a protection service of copyright You are you are infringing on copyright by decrypting it because now you are claiming ownership of the files.  Uh, let me just say my question All right, so if you Like so if you get the files off of it and it decrypts or whatever and you're saying that that you're claiming ownership of it But you can do that with your own stuff And you don't you don't actually want to be distributing it in the united states You don't own the files You don't actually own the files and you're not sell as long as you're not giving them anyone else You're not selling them. You can still do that. Yeah, but they're okay So they're claim and they're claiming this is something that this is why decrypting was considered illegal back in the day Again, a lot the problem is a lot of this stuff was determined in the 90s And hasn't been updated since so there's a lot of A lot of things that come out of this court case both positive or negative depending on what side of the fence you're on But um, the biggest thing is basically that you only own a right for a software It doesn't matter if you buy a physical or digital you only own a license key. That is it Okay, and everyone knows that that's that's been determined for a long time And I don't think that law is going to change you only because you can't actually own the characters and the code No, like obviously you can only own a license to use a piece of software games are a piece of software Whether you guys like it or not video games are are technically a piece of software You can't own that software unless you're the one who made it unless you sold the rights to somebody else um So buying a game by the way is not buying the rights to own someone else's creations So the interesting part in that is They made it so you're allowed to put security measures in place to protect Your code base from being accessed by things that it was never built for And the problem with key decryption is it allows it to be accessed by things it was never built for And they never gave explicit instructions that their software could be ran on those things and it's kind of like It's kind of like if you're running adobe photoshop on a device It was not intended to run on or ever develop for and you hack the shit out of it to make it work You're actually breaking the license agreement to do that and thus you actually have You've essentially forfeited your licensing rights When you adobe photoshop for the switch problem is it can't be enforced Yeah, the problem is it can't be enforced in a lot of ways Because they're not going to run around your house and see what devices you have shit on and don't have shit on But technically What nintendo is trying to do is say well fine. We can't go after the individual users. There's too many It's too hard. We're not going to go to people's houses and see what the fuck they're doing But what we can do is go after the software that's enabling them to do that in the first place That's what they're trying to make an argument for in court is that if we get rid of the software that enables this Then we then we have no problem Which you're never going to get rid of the software It's always going to exist in dark corners of the internet anyways, but they're trying to make it So it's not so easily gettable Like just a public website that everyone can go to freely easily no worry about viruses Just right there right there on github They're trying to make it so like it's a lot harder to get I don't think the laws have changed in a lot of times They haven't oh, and I know it also gone to court a lot to burn CDs Like you're allowed to make you know what I mean? I think it's the same law still just because they are dated But I think it's like they're very dated They literally it's they make they made devices that like were intended for you to do that And if you sold those burnt CDs, that's all a lie But anything you're doing with your own thing and obviously The people are obviously You know downloading the files, whatever, but like On the emulator Well, what they're saying or the claim is that the emulator cannot function without breaking the law But that's something that breaks the law and again, I'm I'm first of all, I'm dumb second of all. I'm not a lawyer I actually want to see some of those lawyer youtubers look at this I bet you will I bet you one of these lawyer channels will pick it up and be like Let's actually look at this because one thing I like about the lawyer youtube channel Or legal by it I bet legal rights would cover it Yeah, there's a because they're gonna cover it because it this The the big thing about this case whether you guys think nintendo has a has a shot at or anything or not Is that this actually hasn't been legally challenged in like 20 plus years? It's been a long time Yeah Yeah, none of this stuff has been decided in the Um in the annals of after the internet blew up All the laws around this predate the internet being this really big thing everyone's using So I think what nintendo has been to say and is we think we have built a case that will go to court not get dismissed Because we have direct evidence of things we already know based on old laws that are illegal Such as the links on the website and stuff like that that you they shouldn't have been they shouldn't have been doing that They shot themselves in the foot with that that is something you know a couple couple smoking guns nintendo has to at least Get this to a court and then I think their idea is hey, it's time to update these laws because uh This is what's happening to us and this we're not they're not saying they're not even being like oh We're going after people to talk about nes. No, we're going after this is our current platform Our most recent big hit millions of people playing it before it came out spoiling the game for actual consumers Yada yada they're trying to make this argument how it's it's anti-consumer and also anti-business and everyone's hurt by these Emulators it's going to be a very hard legal battle. I don't know if it's something they could win but also the The thing is they're going after You know this company who isn't exactly the richest And probably can't afford to really fight it that much Maybe the community rises up and throw them much of money to hire really good lawyers, which could happen Uh, but I find this to be fascinating because if this does go to trial and is not dismissed This could shape the future landscape of emulation and really just I'm pretty sure they can get a competent legal team that just want it for the press to try to Stay they beat nintendo There's two things they're looking for here. They're not really looking for money. They're looking to set president Okay, because like it like like nades They're looking to win and to set the standard Yeah, and they're using Which is genius the key which is something that is legally owned by nintendo not you cannot that's that's a smoking guy That's based on old laws. It is something that they is It's a security protection. They have the right to that you are not allowed to decrypt. You are not allowed to hack that key Yeah, I went within the service in every game. You can't emulate without doing it. That's the problem Yeah, the emulator isn't doing it the emulator is promoting that you go get these things to make their emulator work which I don't know I I'll be completely and totally honest I want to know though some people said well, then why are they going out to rajinix rajinix has not promoted Where to get the keys they have not linked to where they get the keys and they have not Put out there in any form that you should go get these you just know if you download rajinix You need to go get the keys you just know because you're in the emulation community, you know, but rajinix number says it Yuzu publicly has been promoting that you need to get these things that nintendo actually owns That you're not must say they should and if nintendo loses maybe they no longer do That's the thing it could go the opposite direction like if nintendo just gets destroyed Well, then yeah, I mean like it's just gonna get more rampant piracy and everything else is just gonna get even worse Because now people will be like, oh, it's legal now. I don't even need to worry about it It's all legal about it because all there are some people that do stay away from it worrying You know, I don't know if I'm really comfortable morally with this thing that is technically illegal But then of all of a sudden it's fully legal. It's like, oh, well, then Wait, we're still No, you're you're okay, um, I'll be completely honest the Justice system is a little bit confusing to me. So I'm gonna just throw that out there before I say anything but I'm afraid that the outcome of this case could become case law um, and so You know, I mean So, you know anytime a similar Yeah Right, so like like you said so that this sets the precedent because Um, it's right now. It's yuzu, but how many of the other emulators are going to stay up after this? To do this this entire time right guys ever since emulators became a thing in the 90s They've been really wanting to do this But they didn't because they wanted to wait until there was a they had enough smoking guns And enough time away from the old laws where they're gonna be like, okay There might be a judge willing to see this if they're they're looking If they're looking for smoking guns then youtube is looking a lot like texas right now There's a lot of it over youtube and that might have been even how they started started discovering this stuff It's just it's very public all over youtube Yeah, if nintendo waited this long Into the emulation world and make this case nintendo has a case and and I see nintendo winning big time on this game just because yeah, you cannot use An emulator without actually violating nintendo nintendo's, um, you know Well to be clear you can't use a switch emulator Exactly. Yeah Don't have encryption keys. So yeah And to bring up bring the tears of the kingdom that that's what was it a million copies a million copies They're claiming that what I was yeah, see that this is their claim They obviously the burden of them proving that that's so many people that it's on them But yeah, I mean I understand where they're coming from at least in terms of like current gen hardware being emulated because that is just That's just that borders if not crosses the line of piracy When it comes to older games and older properties, then it's then I'm a bit more like okay No, I'm on the side of emulation, but like I mean it I did I mean like when tears of the kingdom came out I mean you did have to like avoid twitter you had to avoid everything Yeah, it's a boil Yeah, what and one of their arguments was that um in the licensing agreement because again you are only You know buying a license in the in the agreement It states that you cannot play this on any non nintendo authorized hardware, which that's exactly what emulators are They're enabling you to play it on non nintendo authorized hardware Which is a dmca situation and they brought that up themselves And that could be another thing that if I mean that is It's interesting because it's like how far do licensing rights go and and that's This Because I was like oh you can pick backups sure, but you can't use the backup on anything but a switch I'll be honest Unless this suit gets dropped or or Unless it turns out to be some kind of like a mistrial or something I'm just saying nintendo is going to drag you zoo through the fucking mud I just imagine all those all those I watch here's how it gets dismissed the guy knows that oh, I'm fucked. I'm not gonna win So he just comes in and starts cussing out and swearing at the job And just like everything and then he gets detained like well, we're just got to toss us out This is becoming too wild right now. We got she-hawk walking through the door I think they're gonna have completely free representation. This is this some lawyer's gonna want to make his career How do you okay, but what lawyer? It's a lawyer thinks they can win Yeah, okay. Yeah, and that's and that's the thing. I mean it seems like It seems like the law is stacked against yuzu hard right now You know and nintendo is gonna pound on the law because I mean I just I don't know Even if you have the best, you know defense lawyers that the country can buy I don't see the the current laws right now I I I just don't see them favoring yuzu the current the current laws do favor yuzu. That's the thing Well, not in this case not not not based on the encryption Not based on the description stuff is 100 illegal and they're promoting that so here's the thing the the best outcome for people who love emulation Would be that all nintendo they win but it's like a small win. They get yuzu itself shut down Yeah, because that that looks like what with them promoting With them promoting But but that's the thing if it's only really because they promote it and link to the keys, which is illegal Okay, fine. They get yuzu shut down or because yuzu has a patreon right so it's making money off of this stuff Okay, fine. They get that shut down. That doesn't stop future emulation. That just means okay Don't re-braise in money to make your emulators Don't be linking to where to get keys or promoting it just have it be that like ride eunuchs It's unsaid thing that everyone knows you need but we're just not gonna talk about You think you you think youtube or not you do That's why we don't know Yeah, I mean Yeah, that's what that would be where nintendo wins, but it's it's it's kind of a hollow victory They're trying to create case law.  Yes? So, you know it be So so there is no such thing as a small win for nintendo if nintendo brings this Yeah, that would be a loss nintendo Alif they just got the emulator taken down and that was all and it would and it would be a total loss for everybody Who uses emulators, but you know at the same time Hopefully, you know the process for shutting down yuzu. I mean we know that this lawsuit Ain't going to court anytime soon So it's gonna be a little while and it'll probably be a little while before other emulators Um go down after that if nintendo decides that they want to just do a total takedown This is gonna be a case law case This is gonna turn into case law But either way But either way even if that is the case it is all of these things take a lot of time So none of this is gonna happen overnight And so hopefully in the meantime in the event that the nintendo that nintendo does decide to do that I only hope that they do start updating the nso or giving us some of their older Games to play Because I mean or even if they just put like a mario all stars type of thing For a bunch of these different franchises onto a single cartridge and just give us the ability to play these older games in the meantime So that they still win like they're you're they still make money And also it might be it might be nice to give us like a speed-up function Yeah um I think nintendo needs to win this And and to set the president and i'm saying because of a comment that I read that actually makes a lot of sense and it's because Yeah, I remember nintendo can do whatever they want with their software right right now We're in an age where we're kind of leaning toward more the digital age than the physical physical is kind of sadly Going away and so a loss for nintendo with me. Okay No more physical copies are allowed on nintendo switch only digital and and even One day anyway, they'll make it. Yeah, that's coming someday We'll make it so hard to for a game to be downloaded and and and emulated They can go cloud. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? I'm just yeah. Oh my god. Yeah I don't I don't do anything just cloud. I think what they'll do and we've already seen this with some companies is Instead of doing the all these court cases companies are just making their games require online And then the only way to play it is the as the hack the game get it out and hacking the game to get it out is technically illegal So if they want to come after you they could but they just haven't this is like the first major case And to be fair people might wonder why is it nintendo?  I don't know that all these companies are actually Nintendo meanwhile is the richest company in japan and doing pretty good So if any company is going to do it, it's going to be them Well, and and I'll say this I'm a little conflicted on this because it's very like I said I have to use emulators Like I have to in order to get footage like I have to do it And so I'm really relying on ability to use do what? Or just be really rich and just buy By all the modded system The video out that's like I had a modded 3ds at one point it cost me like 700 dollars Now it's like I I legit you as somebody who relies heavily on emulators it kind of Hurts a little bit to know that this is happening, but on the other end like I totally I hate saying it but like I understand where nintendo is coming from like I can't not side with Nintendo it is their Yep, fucking property and they can do what they want with it Like I can't I can't be mad at nintendo for making this decision to do this lawsuit because they're well within their right to And and it shouldn't affect old emulators at this point They're I hope like like really It could but like they're so the so these some of those have been over like 25 years some of these emulators Well, and you're not gonna hard time getting them and here's to hoping nintendo says I can but I won't Like hopefully that's the way that I think a lot. I'm hoping well that yeah, the cambo won't be intense Well, I don't know about that I will say that I think maybe this is happening now because they want to have the new precedent set for switch 2 for when that's Eventually hacked They won't they're not worried about now. They're worried about like all right switch 2 Look here's like and this is gonna probably come up in the court case if it goes the court is that nintendo can point out every single one of their releases from 2017 on where it was spoiled because Of emulation because the games were available early online Which is they're going to be their argument against hacking systems and dumping game files And this is going to also be their argument for the emulators in addition to them being illegal files And it's a damn good and it's a damn good argument and they're well within their right to put it out there They're well within their right Nintendo could lose Like this is the thing They they definitely could lose I I obviously I we none of us are lawyers all we can do is look at the surface and know well We know this is illegal. We know this is illegal and this is what nintendo is basing it on But the laws can change and it might change against nintendo in this case depending on what case is made in the opposite direction One of the cases that that is very interesting because nintendo mentions like they want damages Then the one burden that this has been the biggest bugaboo and if you hear anyone debate about piracy and stuff is How much does it really hurt the companies? Oh, there was one million, but it sold 20 So how much did it really hurt you? Yeah, what percentage of that was the richest company in japan? How much has piracy even hurt you this entire generation? Your stock is bigger than ever So like damages or damages or damages Yeah, I know and that's one that's one of the things that it's going to be like did it actually hurt your company? How do you prove this yada yada? I mean you can prove that spoilers got out there and that could hurt fans experiences And they're even putting tweets in there about people being spoiled and being upset about it I actually think that What I actually think that damages is one of their stronger arguments in regards to peers of the kingdom to be honest with you Yeah, um, especially it's a very story heavy game too. Yeah, exactly and um, you know for nintendo For nintendo, I realize if you play story games, it's like a little peon in Right Just the fact that it was streaming before release and stuff and spoilers everywhere Yeah, and then you know that there's people who may have been like already checked it out or oh I was already able to download it like even it even if they quit with with the emulated version They may not have just ended up picking it up. I feel like nintendo has been very quiet They've been waiting collecting, you know, whatever evidence they can um It's scary like I agree and I think they waited for one emulator to fuck up and start linking in that area That the linking and promoting illegal things that part is like, oh man, you can't you can't argue you didn't do it They made everyone know it. It's right on your website. Everyone knows So yeah, I'm very interesting allegations in this case and that's on the user developers just being dumbasses to Can them that easy weapon Now I think I think Yeah, I just I think that um It is highly highly highly unlikely that yuzu will win this suit I think nintendo is gonna mop the floor with them and I think we'll be lucky. We will be lucky if um if nintendo If well, yeah Yeah, so like if the ruling turns out that like the only thing that they're at fault for is the promoting of it Like you were saying Nate like Yeah, like if they'll we'll get out lucky if that's the only thing that comes of it But I think it'll be a miracle that yuzu wins this suit I'm just I'm I'm just I'm the law is like a hundred The law is a hundred percent on youtube side. It's just that the people are on yuzu side Here's what happens Here's what happens if nintendo wins the part that talks about the licensing agreement and that you only buy the license Um, or you you know, you own a license that can be revoked at any point and in that licensing agreement It does say you cannot play games anywhere else but on the hardware the game was made for Uh, the thing is that the judge sides with that and sets that precedent that just straight up makes emulators illegal Yeah, that it's just straight up. It's it's done like just illegal wise It just makes them completely illegal because it means what are what are emulator purpose to play them on hardware that wasn't intended for Now this doesn't mean that like nintendo won't use emulation for nso They can because it's their properties So that that's not that's not an argument But it it's talking about, you know, when you see people playing on android and pc and steam deck Heck uh steam deck wanted nothing to do with it when yuzu was gonna end up being available on steam deck Nintendo made one phone call and yuzu vanished Yep Because because they did not want to be caught in the middle of any sort of legal debate over whether or not you can actually emulate nintendo games And maybe they knew this lawsuit was coming too. That's uh, it's entirely possible people talk So maybe they knew nintendo has been building this case too. So that was from the steam commercial right that steam commercial Yeah, yeah, it was in an official steam steam commercial and all of a sudden Yuzu is no longer coming to steam Yeah, I just I Well, I think that's just because you never want beef with nintendo Well, yeah nintendo reach. Yeah, obviously they're born their companies that work together sometimes some of the games come to switch and other so there's that but also it's it is a legal thing and You're promoting something that questionable does allow piracy. You know a lot of people that use emulators for piracy But you know nintendo and I don't know it could again and again people talk It wouldn't be surprising to find the scenes like valves legal department I heard from a friend who's friends with the nintendo lawyers. Oh, they're building this case.  What else are you promoting? blah blah blah so Right, which is it's probably the smartest decision that any company can make is hey Let's just not get involved and we'll just remove the emulator. It's not a big deal Yeah, I just think that if they are gonna I think that if they're gonna take emulation away They need to have a plan to uh, if they're gonna bring down the hammer They need to give us a band-aid after that. Yeah, like please just let us play your older games on a newer console There's no band-aid Yeah, you know what it is here here. Here's your here's your here's your band-aid Everything becomes public domain after so long. We'll just all be dead Yeah I am scared. They won't have any ownership or rights to it anymore. I am scared. I need a hug I mean, it's scary. I mean we were we were just talking about nso earlier in the cast and how Like not getting ds and 3ds means that those games are lost to those platforms And you know, just thinking of all the games that aren't the big, you know Link to link to the past super mario world that like you mentioned a lot of those games are super expensive If you want to collect retro games not only do you have to hunt for Working copies, but you're gonna pay an arm and a leg. It's unaffordable. It's really sad. It's really sad that there's not Away for or not that there's not a way that nintendo hasn't really opened up here is I mean they they have the most robust and best gaming catalog out of any company Decades of fantastic games and so many of them will never see the light of day Which is really sad emulation keeps that alive and it's especially so for retro games and I totally Sabrina like you mentioned earlier and I think blam as well like You know emulating and partying new games like tears of the kingdom. It's like shame on you like, you know, that's that's Stealing but when it comes to like stuff that's a couple gens back Um and going into those retro classics like we need a way to play them Those should not be lost to time our kids and their kids should be able to experience that that I agree game bird I agree, but it's also From nintendo's vantage point. It is still stealing It's all software. Yeah Shout out to the chat correction. It was the dolphin emulator that got taken down Oh, that's right. Yeah The steam os did put some things in uh at one point to make it more difficult to run the user emulator But it was never actually going to officially release on steam So, uh, even even even retro games are polished on nintendo by third-party companies So I'm guessing it's up to the third-party companies who own a lot of a lot of those aren't up to nintendo About bringing it back, but then the third-party companies don't always I've never been against emulation of old systems. Never been a problem to me They they're not selling the games anymore Who cares who you really harm and and a lot of these games you can't get anymore and you're not bringing them back And you're not reselling and yeah, I know that like a lot of retro collections have come back fine If you want to say the most popular series. Yeah, those are the ones getting the collections and coming back Yeah, yeah, although you say that nintendo did bring back famicom Detective club, which I never thought they would ever bring back ever So that was a really weird one and now we might rumor to have a sequel at some point, but um Very very fascinating stuff And jake's been really quiet because jake just thinks nintendo's getting wrecked. Don't you? I mean, I don't think they're getting wrecked, but I I think it's like First i'm just been listening because like obviously I said like i'm not a lawyer Yeah, and I want to I want to like look I just looked up. There is a couple like lawyer channels that have already done stuff Okay, and I I want to I'm like I'm very I'm very interested because obviously it's a big deal And and you guys are right. It's going to be like years before something happens from this But like it's very it's Honestly, it's going to affect me a lot, but it's also just like very interesting to me. So like I just um Do you what do you know what lawyer channels already did something on it because I want to watch too? Uh, yeah, hold on one second. Um, it was I know some of the big ones haven't yet, but they're probably taking more time to Oh, no, it's alex Oh, no, it has a 20 minute video called Uh, me nintendo will destroy emulation But not the greatest title.  He is.  Well, some ordinary gamers made a really good video on it too, but yeah, he's not a lawyer though. No I wouldn't really good stuff with carl jobs that actually has had legal stuff come from it, but Yeah, I think I think if anybody should cover this I I think emily d baker should cover it because she Yeah, I think she should cover it Yeah, legal legal too. Um, the reason that I think she should Uh, the reason I think she specifically should is because she talks about um, Like the legal stuff that happens in like pop culture And And not only that but like, uh, you know just from what she said over time because I like her channel I followed her during the dep v. Herd thing. Um, and so Uh, essentially she I mean over time. She's just kind of said in piecemeal that like her kids playing nintendo So I would assume that this is something she might even be interested in covering and I don't know Maybe I'll send her a super chat one day or something It's important to know You look at the channel's covering it the ones that are gonna have the most credence would be lawyers that specialize in similar related Stuff because lawyers do specialize a criminal lawyer. She was a criminal prosecutor. So I don't know that this is This could be more a case of copyright this could be more Which which would go better which would sit better on legal legal desk Something that a law firm is doing they're doing a live stream Tomorrow at 10 a.m. It's called hog log. They have 100,000 Yeah Nintendo versus yuzu a legal look at emulation and the dmca And they're it's a live stream and it starts tomorrow at 10 a.m. Eastern. I'm watching that.  What time is it 10 a.m. Eastern? Yeah, dude. I'm live reaction Ho eg right? Ho eg. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, they became pretty well known during the xbox versus fgc stuff, too Yeah, I like hogue high school Hogo hogo Hogue Hogue or you go h o e g and then the word law H o e g. Okay. Did you find the stream? Yeah, I found it. Yeah, I'm gonna leave it up because I'm gonna I'm gonna watch a Bobby library out too because I'm I'm very curious like what the actual legal people are this because we all have Our opinions and we can know like oh, this is what we know like as many illegal in the path like We don't know here's the thing. I've said forever that that emulators are always a legally gray area But are they let's find out Yeah, well the lawyers would know is it actually legally gray or not and if it is Does nintendo have a way to You obviously saw the one guy put it in this title His opinion is nintendo's about to wreck emulation because he thinks nintendo's. Yeah, that's a very good case But that's one person's opinion, right like getting multiple lawyers opinions and takes on it I'm sure more and more will come out like more like actual lawyer videos But a lot of lawyers Like like a legal they are going to take their time Because they're going to doctorize cross their t's and get every Side of everything they can get so that it Yeah, I think you're too, yeah. Boy, do I hope, I really do hope that it comes out. I really do hope that League of Legal covers this because they have the biggest reach. And I feel like the more people are informed on this, the better, because I feel like the law is just so confusing. And right now, fans are just fighting.  And then there's people that love it and think that, you know, it should stay and it's a key part of gaming and yada, yada, yada.   Listen, I don't think- We all just love playing video games. Right. So I actually also appreciate the legal angle on things because honestly, this is a legal issue and it's gonna have to get sorted out and it's completely out of all of our hands. And whatever happens, positive, negative or whatever, it is reality. And when it comes, and I'll just say this for people who love emulation, even if it is deemed to be illegal, they're not coming to your house, they're not taking you down. They're gonna try to take- He's gonna start downloading a lot of stuff. They're gonna try to take a- The worst part about living- The worst part about work, websites are illegal. But you- The worst part about living right now at this time is like video games especially, but even like movies, whatever, when something gets out of print and it's not on a streaming service or it's not on NSO, right? It's not on Netflix or any of those. You lose access forever.  Like dogma, like you remember that movie? That's not on any streaming service and the DVDs go for like $500. Like $600 or something crazy. Yeah, I have.  That's one of my favorite movies and I can't watch it. The funny thing is- Mega Man Legends. It's actually, and this is one thing that I've never heard before. Don't bring Mega Man Legends into the mix. Depending on how the store- Mega Man Legends deserves to be here. You can buy out the $600 on the store, but physically, yeah. I want to throw out there that this is one thing, though, that can end up working in the positive for consumers depending on how the case goes is, yeah, it sucks that it's not available, but also you don't have a right to it. They do. They control the availability. That's their legal right. Right. What's interesting is Disney, when they were trying to prevent, you know, Oswald and Mickey and all this stuff from becoming public domain for as long as possible, one of the tricks they did is they started to have to put that little cartoon at the beginning of all the- They had to show the character was still actively being used. Yeah. In order to maintain it for more time. And I'm wondering if this is really one of those things where, okay, fine, you still own the right for availability where it's going to be, but if it hasn't been available for 10 years, you lose that right. And that might force companies to be like, oh, fuck, we got to not make everything available. And that's a huge positive for consumers if it goes that way. And that would be the solve. I would love that. It would be. Yeah. But once again, you give us access or you lose the game. It's everyone's now. Like that would be huge. Of Lamb, I want to hear what you have to say for Lamb because I want to build off of your, what you were starting to say right there. Yeah. So I think, I mean, I think this is the case even like when the Mickey stuff for an Oswald stuff started to come into play. It's like the question of are these copyrights, patents and trademark law going on for too long? Cause like, I feel like you're limiting your like 5, 10, I mean, 10 years max, maximum. It should be like anything should be kind of like, and then it's in public domain. Cause it's just, you're really limiting creativity and you're limiting people's like ability to build off of other ideas at that point.  And I think it makes a more consumer friendly market when you have more restrictions on the company. I don't know. That's just me. And I, me personally, 10 years I think is too long if for any trademark, I think five years. I think that's interesting. I would push it out a little further just in the end. So when you say like five, 10 years or whatever, I'm just sitting there, I'm like, man, so if I come up with an original character today and make a video game, I lose my rights to my character in 10 years. That's a little harsh. Well, see, and that goes to the fact of like, you could still continuing it to like, what is it? Like where you can continue to like renew it. So like how they kind of do with Disney or how they do with Mickey Mouse, like the current iteration of it, that makes sense. And if you have a current iteration of it, then yeah, sure, then I think that's a, that's a very good way to keep that character. And then I- But it took me five, but it might have took me five to 10 years to make that game with the character. Now you're telling me it's time to make the next one. I lose it. I think, I think, I think- Before I even get the second game out, I lost the rights to the first one. Yeah. No, I mean, I don't- I mean, that's