And it seems that the lesson was learned from the 1930s by mainstream politicians or by those who had to muddle through the crisis in so far as they expanded, like fiscally expanded. But would you agree with the hypothesis that it was the lack of social resistance from below that led to the global austerity turn of 2010, like with the memorandums of understanding in Greece or Southern Europe? And Obama's turn towards austerity at the federal level while there was already hidden austerity taking place at the state level. I have a different reading of that. One could argue that what neoliberalism succeeded doing in the United States and England was austerity before the crisis. It began in the 1980s. It reduced the wages of workers, brought them, slowed them down in their growth, and eventually flattened them out. So that meant that productivity is still rising. You can easily measure that. So in Marx's terms, it made the rate of surplus value rise very sharply. You can see this in the profit-wage ratio in these countries. But that didn't happen to the same degree in Europe because the welfare state was not unraveled yet. It was frayed. Certainly many nations backed off from some parts of the welfare state. The crisis gave the opportunity for European and international capital to attack and finish off the job on labor and bring to labor the same austerity that took 30 years or 25, 30 years in the US and England bring to Greece and by implication to Portugal and France and Italy that necessity of lowering real wages. So I think the austerity argument is from the point of view of the capitalist system the correct argument, the logical extension of the system's own needs and logic. That doesn't mean we have to accept it, but it's a mistake to think because they don't understand that Schoble doesn't understand that austerity is going to make people unhappy and miserable and destroy it. He understands it perfectly. That's his job to carry it out. On the other side, we say that the opposite, the correct thing is a stimulus. But that notion of a stimulus implies that it has no negative consequences. And part of what I show in the book is that insofar as a stimulus has a negative impact on profitability, you're going to get the reaction from capital itself. You won't get growth if they don't get profits from it. And one thing that I find interesting is that it's especially Keynesians that are saying, look, austerity isn't working. The public debt of the Greek state is worse now even though you've shrunk the economy by 25%. So obviously we need stimulus to prevent the situation, not realizing that the goal, like actually implying that they would be the better people to run the state. Like it is a very status top-down perspective, I would say, whereas the actual goal of privatizations, for instance, opening up aspects of the economy that weren't, like year-to-four weren't open for capital, are now opened and it actually does that pressurizing on the working classes in Southern Europe. See, I would argue that here, if you take the key thing, that if you're going to keep capitalism, which both sides are arguing now, the dominant argument both sides is we're staying with the system, then you have to ask, is there a way to thread through these difficult path? Stimulus in the sense of providing cushion and jobs for workers and all of that could be a means of reviving what is the real problem of competitiveness, of profitability for capital, problem for capital, not for people, but for capital. So it's a path, it's a path to certainly follow even in the United States in the 1930s. But then you have to have a means of raising the productivity of labor. You have to do something about the people who are displaced now, and they may be permanently displaced by industry that doesn't need them anymore, as happened in Poland and Eastern Europe in many cases. So it's a difficult path. It's a path that may well be and could be much less destructive on the existing populations. And so I'm not opposed to the idea of stimulus. I'm just opposed to the idea of thinking that a stimulus alone is the problem. The problem from the point of view of capital is they need to bring those wages or unit labor costs down. And there are ways to do that if you accept that as your goal or as your directive. If on the other end we're talking about leaving capitalism or modifying it, then there's another set of possibilities, which are politically of course much more difficult, given that Europe is united against even the stimulus part, but they're possible. What I tried to say yesterday is that if we're going to ask about these possibilities, we're going to have to understand how capitalism works concretely. You cannot just deal in the realm of concepts. It's not going to help you because you need to answer questions like that. What's going to happen to employment? What's going to happen to growth? What's going to happen to productivity if you intervene? And these are the questions that at least economists must be able to answer in a systematic way. What I find interesting is that if you look at the various, like the neoclassical tradition, the institutionalist political economy tradition and the Marxist tradition, that they seem to be, like the institutionalists seem to be closer to the neoclassical tradition with regard to the premises that they have with like the theoretical foundations, just seeing exceptions to it, and very opposed to Marxism as a different, generally different approach to political economy. But when it comes to politics, it seems that the Keynesian politics are much closer or are much more opposed to neoclassical policy proposals and are much closer to Marxism, especially if you think of Yanis Varoufakis, for instance, who calls himself an erratic Marxist, he said, at the beginning of the crisis, well, at the moment there is no Marxist economic policy to turn things around in Greece or to alleviate the humanitarian catastrophe, but there's only Keynesian solutions. Would you agree with that statement? No, I don't. I know Yanis well. And I think that when he said he was an erratic Marxist, he's really describing the Marxist tradition itself, right? Which has been fractured and very erratic, focused, fixated on individual problems, transformation problem, everybody's written something about the transformation problem, everybody's got about the theory of value, but how many Marxists have written about the theory of exchange rates, which is a central issue now, or about the theory of productivity, or the theory of interest rates, or the theory of capital flows, not just the description, but the theoretical foundations of that. They're quite few, and often they focus on one thing. So he's right to be an erratic Marxist because there isn't anything in the Marxist tradition would provide a systematic framework. That's one of the things that motivated me all along was to say that we cannot just ad hoc invent for every problem a solution without recognizing that that may contradict something else. We have to have a framework that is systematic, and this is where the neoclassicals are ahead of everyone else. Well, however they do it, they have a point of departure, a fictitious one, but one where they begin from and measure their outcomes and their departures from. Keynesians don't have that for the level of this kind of detail. They have the idea of effective demand, but when you come to the microeconomics and the theory of prices and all that, they don't have anything systematic. Post-Keynesians have something systematic, which is monopoly all the way through, but then in my opinion, it's tied exactly to the neoclassical story by inversion. They say competition, we say monopoly, and I think that's a trap. So again, part of what I try to do is show that there is a way to explain the phenomena that Post-Keynesians talk about. So when someone like Varoufakis says, well, he's an erratic Marxist, he's, I think, making a true statement about where the Marxist tradition is, which is that it had devolved into a series of partial inquiries and partial answers, which actually you can't add together in any systematic way. And I think that there is a virtue to having a framework that is grounded in actually what Smith, Ricardo, and Marx were arguing about and talking about and can encompass Keynes and Kaletsky in a systematic way without there being any sort of new stages of capitalism or departures on the foundations. And so that's what I tried to do. And it took a long time because I had to do the empirical work also. I had to do not only the theory, but the empirical work. But if it's true, then we have answers to the kinds of questions we're talking about. For instance, what can you do in Greece? You can certainly do something in Greece. You can do a lot in Greece. Within capitalism, you can't just do anything. And so that's where the understanding of how capitalism operates comes into direct play. We have to know the limits, and on the other hand, the flexibility of the system. It's not infinitely flexible, but it's not a rigid system. We have to know how the limits begin to assert themselves when we approach them and be prepared for that. And I mean, isn't it also, do you think it would be something that the Marxist oriented left should strive for to develop policy proposals because in the end, so much depends on politics itself. Like that depends on, for instance, with Greece, it was a government was elected from the left that said we can stay within the Eurozone, but at the same time break with austerity. And those two demands were politically incompatible because of the makeup of the European Union and the relationships of forces within the European Union. So it was something that had to be learned. Like there was no way as Lapavitzas would have wanted that there was a lexit, like a grexit from the left because the Greek population was not prepared for like a sudden devaluation of the drachma and then like a deterioration of the humanitarian crisis because of medication would have been more expensive, fruit would have been more expensive to be imported. So it seems that it's difficult from a Marxist perspective to even try and find solutions to some of those questions. I would say it's difficult in part because we don't have much of a systematic understanding of this concrete phenomena and these concrete reactions. What happens when you have a devaluation? We draw on some empirical stuff, some practical stuff, some Keynesian stuff, some neoclassical stuff and we come up with an understanding, in my opinion, that's not an adequate way to proceed. Maybe you have no choice at the moment but it's not an adequate way to proceed. The other side is that if you do have a framework then you can prepare for the actual outcomes. If the framework is adequate and is able to understand what you're going to get then if you want to venture that path you have a better preparation and also better possibilities of the twists and turns in that path. I understand that politics can often be decisive in these things. You have to be able to do what you want to do but we also know that many times when the left has had an opportunity to have an influence on practical things it led to problems that the left itself didn't understand. One of the points I make in my book, for instance, the original practical left was the Keynesian left because they came in saying, look, we have the Great Depression, capitalism has squandered the opportunity to do something about it because it doesn't even understand the theoretical issue involved and Keynes says, let me show you how it can be addressed. And little by little governments pick up on the idea that the state becomes the regulator in the last instance of capitalism on the banking system or employment but the key proposition of Keynesian economics which is that employment is elastic and unemployment is elastic and I can make it disappear by just pumping up the system without any consequences until I reach full employment then maybe I have inflation. That was the Phillips curve. That turned out to be false. It turned out that the Phillips curve didn't exist. It fell apart within five or seven years of its practical application but the question was still there. What happens when you pump up a system? And I tried and show in the book that what happened was what you would have expected and could have expected if you had an understanding of the impact of effective demand on profitability. And the point is a simple one. If I pump up the system and reduce unemployment then as Mark's long ago pointed out in the discussion of the Reserve Army of Labor if you reduce unemployment you're going to raise wages relative to whatever their trend is relative to productivity. So you're going to raise the rate of surplus value. Other things being equal it lowers the profit rate. So it puts a downward pressure on the profit rate and that is the limit because with the profit rate if the profit rate begins to go down then growth slows down and the unemployment comes back up. Well that's exactly the story of the Reserve. We've had it all along. We just never use it because we do these things at Hock. And so we put these things together then a picture emerges that helps explain why Keynesian theory was knocked off the pedestal also by its failure to explain inflation coming back and unemployment coming back at the same time. But that's something that can be explained. If it can be explained then hopefully we can at least deal with the options as they appear and accept them rather than being taken by surprise. And also although from a Mark's perspective one could say it showed the limits of Keynesianism that there was a dialectic or a dynamic within Keynesianism that got it into a situation where it either had to move forward into a direction of invoking the question of property, of private property and private capital accumulation or in the neoliberal direction of recreating competitiveness and profitability by hampering down on trade unions and that's right. And I think Keynesians never really accepted Keynesianism's own ambivalence. Keynes's clearly pro-capitalism is no doubt about that and he believed, at least said he believed that if his policies were put into place capitalism would be like what was taught in the textbooks and ideal social institution that would provide justice and equality and democracy and full employment. Well, whatever I did about the others surely did not provide full employment and that is a difficulty that Marxists and the left in general, because I don't see my book as a Marxist book though. Anybody reading can recognize the influence of Marx but also of Keynes. Also Ricardo in the theory of relative prices, Smith on exchange rates. I tried to put together a coherent framework but anyone on the left or coming from anti-neoclassical economics would have to address the same questions. How much can you go within this system? What are its responses and limits? And that forces you to also think about if you don't accept those limits how do you go outside the system? Because if you think the system is infinitely flexible and can be adapted then you don't have to pose that other question at all. And that's one of the things that came up in my presentation yesterday. Most of the questions were not about what I was saying. They were about the implication. How do you go beyond the system? And do you think, I mean your book is called Capitalism and historically the antagonist to capitalism has always been socialism. Now in the US you have a regenerated interest in socialism especially from the young generation partly because it's been more significantly affected by the crisis I would say compared to the generation crisis here in Europe because of austerity and the increase in tuition fees and like the over-qualification of young workers in the labor market, et cetera. And the message resonated free healthcare, free public education and so the $15 minimum wage. But the concept of socialism of course varies like many of them understand it in similar terms as Bernie Sanders understands it more like a Scandinavian welfare state which itself has come in trouble under neoliberalism. But have you noticed a regenerated interest in Marxist and critical political economy through the Sanders phenomenon with young students? I haven't noticed it through the Sanders phenomenon to be honest. I've noticed an interest in the critique of capitalism but my graduate students are a bit older, my students are older because they're mostly graduate students but I have noticed over the last 10 years alongside Sanders so to speak because he's responding, the tremendous interest in inequality, tremendous interest in unemployment, in stagnation and an interest in having a framework that explains all of these things in a systematic way rather than a series of externally imposed outcomes due to this or that. But I have to say that my point of view in even in my own department which is a purely heterodox department is a minority, definitely a minority. Most of my colleagues adopt a different set of views ranging all the way from DSGE models that take a single individual with an infinite lifespan and optimizing utility under some conditions of imperfection or non-linearity and that can explain, it's been used to even explain patterns in Europe that way to people who focus on game theory as another way of understanding capitalism or on stochastic processes as another way. Econometrics is a favorite tool so we are a proper economic department that way. We encompass the whole world of heterodox tools and approaches. So the point of view, my argument is definitely a minority but I have noticed that students are more open to seeing to the idea that you should have a unified framework. Now the difficulty is they have to go on the job market, they have to present themselves as something other than what they are usually and that means they have to emphasize technical skills, empirical studies, that kind of thing but definitely they are asking the question. Whether that lasts, I don't know. I mean, to be honest, political tides change very quickly and it could happen that they'll shift again in the other way, I hope not, but it's possible. So you have provided, you've been working on this book for almost 20 years? I worked on this draft for 15 years and the draft before, which was essentially began with a history of Marxian economics, beginning with Marx and his unfinished work and his struggles but then had to go also to deal with Ricardo because you can't talk about Marx, Dodd-Smith and Ricardo and then moving onward to Marxism after Marx, which is Hilfening, Luxembourg, Kautzky-Bernstein, as a project, a group of us in order to clarify our own thinking, sat down and did a book, which is also unpublished, on the economic theory of the left in the United States, the Socialist Party, Socialist Workers Party, the Communist Party, Revolutionary Communist Party, Progressive Labor. We wanted to see if we could identify what was their implicit economic theory. It was very interesting because their implicit economic theory would be, I would call it Kaletsky in monthly review schools, another one had monopoly, concentration, centralization, capital, power relations, but the economic foundations were weak. If they did them, they mostly adaptations of Keynesian arguments. And that already, from my mind, this was done 25 years ago, I'd say, was to try and clarify our own thinking and force us to understand the relationship between theory and politics and the practical need in political platforms for having an understanding of what would happen if you managed to get a policy that you like and play or government or whatever. So it comes back to your earlier thing. Do we need policy proposals? Yes, of course we do. If we're going to get into that discussion, we can't just say capitalism is bad, bad, bad and run away, right? So we have to be able to do that. Then on what basis do we do it? Max was a policy person. If you think about the conditions of labor and the working class and the first international are focused on changing social and economic policies about employment. And so he was very practical, understood very concretely how that process worked and devoted a good portion of his life to understanding how theory has to be related to the concrete struggles. And I think that's something that has been a good thing of the Marxist tradition all along, but it's been fractured for political and historical reasons and therefore not really connected. And often in opposition to each other more than to anyone else. So and now that you've written this, you're so far Opus Magnum, I would say you probably agree. I don't have any more left in me that way. What's your next project? Are you going to return to the two manuscripts that you described about the Socialist platform or the Marxological one? They are part of my historical development, but what interests me is a different project. Two different projects actually. The project that binds everything together for me is to have a way to change the way the profession is presented and represented in academia because from this training comes all the ministers and the government and all the practical people as well as a politically active people get some kind of training about economic should be part of that training. So how do we change that? And unfortunately, I don't have a clear answer to that. Obviously we would spread the word. There are groups of people who are interested in these things. The good thing about the modern era is that people communicate across the whole world. And so groups bring together to study and to discuss and all of that. And I want to be part of that. And I want the book as much as possible part of that.


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Well, what's funny is I realized I've I've you know, I used to There's a number of schemes when I was shooting skim school I would have reached out to an artist named Rob Dobby who has a full bleed net and I was like I really love your shirts and he was like, hey, you have a show. You want me to send you shirts? I was like just keep sending me shirts and I'll wear them.  I'm like Yeah, exactly. That's why I mean I don't think if I just you know worked If I didn't work in front of a camera ever that I don't know if I would Do the Mr. Collection thing Because it's not really cost-effective. It's better to just buy things and then wear them until they fall apart How many things do you get every month? I get usually it's like three shirts in a pair of pants All right, hold on my daughter just arrived. I had a schedule. So I'm gonna explain the deal to her All right minute minute to air minute to air Brian This is coming from a person who used to buy all of his clothing from thrift shops 2000 as of the year 2000 as Roger can attest Is that what I used to buy all my clothing from thrift shops. I Did that in college? I'm sure I recall my wardrobe when I was working at ZDTV No, actually, I don't remember a wardrobe. It was more like the same. It's more like the same four shirts. Yeah I'm a change of different pants. It's a different outfit. That's right No, I ended up buying a lot of blue shirts and then someone noticed and called for help So why is Roger always wear blue shirts?   So It's all good Ready, all right ready here. We go ready to ready for action ready for action The Daily Tech news show is brought to you by me. Oh Thanks, me if you also wish to bring it go to daily tech news show comm slash support That's daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday April 12th 2016 I'm Tom era joining me today In place of Patrick Beja who is finally adapted to Japan time and needed the day off Mr. Brian brushwood host of night attack court killers and weird things is here and school I like your most successful show I almost forgot how's it going man? And also the television show hacking the system. Did you mention that one? I'm hacking the system you say yeah I heard that's on Netflix. It's on Netflix and boy. Oh boy Could it use your reviews head on over to Netflix if you're in the United States if you're in Canada I deeply apologize, but also your fault for being in Canada one of the reasons that I yeah How dare you be born in Canada? one of the reasons that I Wanted to mention scam school is because Brian has the scam stuff store That he sells a lot of gear for the modern rogue in and because of that He does business on Alibaba with Chinese manufacturers And so we're gonna talk a little bit about that experience that sort of you know cross the ocean Business relationship. We've got a story in the headlines today about Alibaba moving into Southeast Asia And want to get your experience Brian as a small entrepreneur. I Well, first of all my height has nothing to do with my entrepreneurial standing. Yes, I'm only perfectly normal height right fine Okay, yeah, all right. Let's move into the headlines F8 developers conference going on we got tons of news out of there Facebook announced agents on messenger That's the bot program that everybody was expecting for businesses to create chatbots for customer service E-commerce all kinds of things chatbot can respond with structured messages as expected that includes links and buttons So you can click on stuff you can put galleries in there Facebook also launched a live video API that lets you broadcast to Facebook from any device Company also revealed an open-source VR camera design called surround 360 It's a 17 lens camera with an aluminum body requires almost no post-production work because there's a stitching algorithm But they're not selling it what they're doing is open sourcing the design and putting it up with the algorithm on GitHub parts are estimated to cost you $30,000 if you put it together yourself, so it's still not cheap But you know Facebook really into video obviously owning Oculus really into VR Brian interesting move to Open-source the camera rather than try to sell it to be honest I think that's the only way that they can win here I think that when you have such an established Foothold in one space in this case keeping you connected to the people that you love archiving your Weddings your births and all that stuff, you know, they could sell that information back to you at some point But if you're suddenly going to decide to be a video producer, I understand that you know They needed to diversify and I think Oculus is a good investment for them But I don't see them being a market leader in that space unless they do something bold and wild like this Yeah, and it creates content which Oculus needs and Facebook live needs So it makes sense to me there too. Facebook announced Facebook profile expression kit That one lets developers feed videos recorded in their apps right into the profile picture on Facebook So think Vine could now say hey, you just took a cool vine of yourself. You want to make that your profile picture on Facebook? Here you go launch partners include Instagram Cinemagraph and masquerade. That's the one that's spelled MSQRD Me though, which formerly was called Movi I don't know why they move the valves around is the first camera to be integrated to Facebook live streaming It also streams to live stream Mevo ships in July for a hefty three hundred ninety nine dollars, although you can save a hundred bucks if you pre-order it now Now setting aside for the moment Brian the fact that you can only send it to Facebook live and live stream for the moment It is interesting this camera what it does is it automatically changes angles It's just one camera with a wide view But it can recognize faces and focus in on them recognize objects and move on and do camera basically virtual camera switching sure Sure, and and to be honest when I first saw this I was super excited about the promise of it But when you watch the actual video, yes It's able to move from a close-up on the face on the right to a close-up on the face to the left to a Wide shot of both of the faces But but to be honest all of a sudden when you watch the demo video what you notice is The reason daytime television looks good while they're chopping up vegetables is not the fact that they're cutting into the face And then back to the whole body and then into the face. It's that they have different angles It's that they have an overhead shot is that they have a close-up a wide and from from different stuff and the lighting matters And stuff so I feel like this this device is largely something that has the trappings of high-quality Programming there or and by programming I'm talking about video programming But doesn't have any of the art or the nuance of what it actually takes Maybe I'll be wrong on this But I feel like if I'm watching this it'll take about 20 seconds of watching a live video for me to say like Oh, yeah, this is one of those $200 things. This is all just really one camera I guess Facebook what Facebook cares about is it's a matter of perspective if you're watching Facebook live And you're comparing it to the guy holding up a smartphone You're like, oh that actually looks pretty good. But yeah, if you're comparing it to daytime TV It's not gonna compare as well Well, and that's one of the things is it appears that this device is approaching the mushy middle Like if you're gonna start spending this kind of money You might be better off just buying three separate webcams and investing in some free software like any of the twitch streamers use And man if anybody any of you watch court killers, you know Brian does not like the mushy middle Caution tape around it. No, like stay away a Few more f8 tidbits here the M platform. That's their chat assistant platform that actually combines humans with machine learning They're opening that up as something called wit.ai. At least that's the URL You'll go to take advantage of the machine learning there Developers can go there and get the account kit I'm sorry developers can go there and take advantage of that so wit.ai Account kit is a separate thing that'll let developers authenticate users with SMS or an email address that the user then verifies No Facebook account required now you can log in with Facebook with account kit as well But what they're saying is look look if your users don't want to sign up for Facebook We are going to provide you a way to authenticate them easily anyway They can either put in a phone number and get an SMS click on it and they're verified I think get an email click on it and verified either way It's a better way to authenticate Indian music service Sovin has tested the service with 500,000 signups over two months And I guess the idea is Facebook feels like if we get Developers to use this it doesn't matter if some people aren't signing up to Facebook to use it because the fact that it'll have Facebook authentication means a bunch of people will have Facebook and we'll get the data That's one of the curious artifacts that comes from having such an incredibly dominant position in the market is you can look Out across the landscape of all of humanity and say you know what all of humanity wants this Well, why don't we provide it because two-thirds of humanity is on our service? Yeah, HTC. Oh, we're out of F8 news There we go HTC officially announced the HTC 10 phone no more M's in the HTC phone names The 5.2 inch phone has a 64-bit Snapdragon 820 quad-core processor for gigabytes of RAM an Adreno 530 GPU Micro SD card slot you can pump that thing up to about two terabytes 2k resolution at 564 pixels per inch 12 megapixel camera on it has a 1.5 micron pixels So they're bigger pixels 4k video recording capability and f 1.8 OIS also has a 3000 milliamp hour battery and usb-c as we mentioned from the leaked video yesterday HTC boom sound is on there still it has a front speaker that acts as a tweeter And then the bottom speakers act as woofers the whole phone weighs 161 grams and HTC licensed apples airplay so that you don't have to use some side Winding Android app to emulate airplay. It's built into the phone Legitimately licensed from Apple apparently pre-order start today for $699 and it will ship in May full disclosure I'm an Apple guy as far as the phone and the mobile space goes So I'm shocked to hear that they're officially Licensing the airplay stuff and we've talked about this on cord killers, you know, you've got competing standards with being able to sling to your Chromecast and so on. I I think this is a great move for Apple to to make this the ubiquitous standard Box announced a new option for its customers in Europe and Asia to store their data regionally. It's called box Zones the new service will be available next month boxes using Amazon and IBM to power box zones They'll be able to store data across Germany, Ireland, Singapore and Japan I know Yeah, a lot of this has to do with either the worries about the US EU data transfer packed that whole safe harbor packed which is still being debated or Just general like since the Snowden revelations. I kind of want to keep my data outside the US You know what's funny is it totally makes sense in the short term But I wonder how far off we are before even that kind of stuff seems silly as We start to you know, the internet starts to bring us all closer together and we start to feel more and more like one gigantic Organism I I think this is completely appropriate for where we are now and for the disputes that's happening But I just wonder, you know, what if in our lifetime even this could look silly and tribalistic by future standards Well, I think five ten years ago. This would look silly and tribalistic in a way It's like well, why wouldn't why wouldn't you want your data just near wherever your users are? Why do you want to keep it near you? but but yeah, we're in an interesting and unique period in internet history and the Pessimists will say ah, you're naive Brian. It's just gonna keep getting worse and we're at the internet's falling apart It's breaking into pieces. It's finally ending. I'm more on your side on this one where I feel like this is this is just a dip and Eventually, I don't know how long it'll take we'll we'll go back to realizing no the internet works best when it's worldwide Yeah, absolutely. Petya is a ransomware piece of malware that replaces your master boot record and then encrypts the master file table So that you can't even get into your operating system unless you pay on the ransom Someone at the Twitter account Leo stone is a security researcher and has a tool out that people have vetted that can unlock Petia you'll need to remove the drive from the infected computer and then connect it to an uninfected windows PC You got to pull some specific data off that and use a web app to create a password Although Fabian woes are from security firm emmy emsy soft has created a free tool that can pull the data off for you It's a nasty piece of what malware it was only Made public that it was discovered a couple of weeks ago and there's already a fix. So that's good Yeah, I do you think that uh, we're just gonna see a perpetual arms race in this regard because like, um, I don't know back in Let's say around the year 2000. We were looking at, you know Malware would or I'm sorry. I guess viruses, right? We're largely in the business of just tearing up your computer and then Leaving it somewhere around the mid 2000s people started to figure out that it's much more valuable to keep the computers in working order but use them as zombie slaves to Shoot spam out or whatever like, um, are we just going to see a perpetual arms race on ransomware? Because it's a brilliant scheme to get money out of people But if it I wonder if they'll figure out a more profitable way to go than continuing with what they're doing now I mean, yeah, all of this has happened before and all this will happen again ransomware Is rampant right now because it is more profitable But it won't be forever and then you know the the pendulum will swing into another arena It'll be interesting to see what arena that is But it won't always be ransomware to answer your question But it will always be something and and and you nailed it. It'll always be whatever The malware creators think is going to get them the most money absolutely Proposed legislation in new york would require drivers of vehicles involved in accidents to submit their cell phones for inspection A textilizer not a breathalyzer a textilizer as they're calling it Would then determine if the phone had been in use prior to the crash The legislation would prevent officers from extracting any data from the phone They the software would only be allowed to tell whether the phone was in use or not And immediately my first question was what if I've got ways or google maps or apple maps running, uh, does that in use? Does that count? How does this work? Yeah, well, and I'm somebody who listens to audiobooks constantly You use phone calls constantly or whatever and you're always sending or receiving There's a lot of very good reasons for you to not be comfortable with this kind of snooping on your data As somebody who has watched the wire and has removed himself from the chess game between the Authorities and the the underhanded people of the of the internet This makes sense for new york to go for because they are obviously at the forefront of legislation of this variety However, I will say as a staunch libertarian and personal rights advocate and so on I do want to share with everyone that um, you know for whatever reason If you don't want people going through your phone if you have an ios device Just make sure to reboot it because you cannot legally be compelled to give up your password to your phone You can legally be compelled to place your physical fingerprint upon it So if you reboot then you the the fingerprint doesn't do anything It's only if you punch in the password that they have access and I'm assuming that that still applies in new york Uh, I know there's regional variations and and and such but let's say that applies in new york Let's say that this law says no no no We don't mind if you had music playing or background processes or maps all we're checking is Were you interacting with the phone? Did you have your fingers on it and we have a way to do that that doesn't look at it in your data Then yeah, the your phone reboots and it's locked. I don't know if they can read that or not I would assume not and then they can't they can't make the law change the legal precedent They that because that's a search and seizure thing under the u.s constitution that you can't be forced to give up the password Right and keep in mind right now. It's the textualizer thing, but we're we're very rapidly. I think Heading to a period of ubiquitous always on cameras on there So at the at some point in the future the moment you glance at your camera They're going to be able to access the record of whether or not, you know They're going to see your eyes looking at the camera at the moin moment of impact Yeah, and essentially according to this verge article what they're doing is changing the law to say there is implied consent After a crash for you to hand over this phone So if there's not implied consent for you to hand over your your password Oculus began updating customers who ordered its rift vr headset with new delayed shipping dates. Thanks to a component shortage My late april ship date. I didn't order in the first hour Is now may 30th through june 9th? So they're they're moving by about a month. I used to have an early april ship date Orders made now show a shipping date in august according to the verge Oculus is waiving the shipping fees though for anybody who ordered before april 1st when they announced the delayed shipping Alibaba is investing 1 billion dollars to take a controlling interest in southeast asian e-commerce platform lazada Bloomberg notes that alibaba chairman jack ma has a goal of getting half the company's revenue from outside of china lazada operates in indonesia, malaysia, the philippines, singapore, thailand and vietnam Uh, and I think it's like 87 percent of alibaba's revenue comes from within china right now So they really want to spread that around and they're buying their way into southeast asia lazada is a strong platform But this is a a market that doesn't have a single dominant player yet Yeah, it was really interesting We we had a brief powwow before the show and as we were going through the stories You're like, yeah, I don't know that this one matters. I'm like matters to me You're like, why would alibaba matter to you? I'm like because I run a very small boutique online shop called scam stuff and we sourced some of our stuff from Alibaba and aliexpress like this is this is huge and uh I don't think most people realize How much of the of the stuff they buy if you follow the thread far enough back Eventually at some point gets sourced from these guys, you know, they've opened up the global marketplace to small business people all over the all over the world We're gonna talk a little bit about that in the discussion section as well A couple more stories before we get there though this week lift and deedy are launching the beta of their cross platform ride sharing service That lets chinese deedy users Hail a lift classic or lift plus ride in the us just using their deedy app So it does the currency conversion of all of that Bilingual chinese customer support is available. It can translate between the rider and the driver that's accessed right from the app That's the first step next step will be letting lift riders do the same thing in china That's what they're working on now and they uh, they plan to expand this to not only include lift and deedy But also grab in southeast asia and ola in india. So essentially brian trying to create a worldwide Codesharing network i'll all the airlines. Yeah, well and what's great about this is that it forces them to uh Have a bit of introspection where these different companies have to have conversations about like how do you vet your drivers? What level of risk are you comfortable with what qualifications do they have? How do you know whether or not their cars are safe or whatever because the last thing lift wants Is somebody getting in a deedy car and then regretting it and feel like it would throw shade on on lift I think that's great. I think in general Um, you know membership in the the star alliance or whatever it's you know, whatever proper codesharing Organization they they ended up calling it will be largely good for ride sharing in general and for the consumer Yeah, and it's uh, it's a cheaper way to go about it than uber Which is just trying to start their own organization head to head With deedy and grab and ola and obviously lift here in the united states. So More vulture on like joining together to become the giant robot of which is probably the only play they have against uber uber has you know, obviously a dominant market share right now But i gotta tell you i i tried during south by southwest uber was not available Took all of three minutes for me to install the lift app and suddenly have a lift there And i you know, of course i end up interviewing everyone turns out it's a guy who lives just down the street Who's like, yeah, i don't know. I guess i'm driving driving lift for a while And i love the fact that it's so easy to migrate both for the consumer and for the providers Finally google is beta testing accessibility software called voice access to allow users to access core android functions hands-free nine to five google reports that uh Nine to five google reports that unlike other accessibility apps voice access will overlay numbers On top of elements on a screen for more precise control in addition to voice commands like open chrome and go home Yeah, actually, you know xbox does this when you do voice commands on xbox. It puts the numbers up there for you as well That's awesome. I I wish I had a little more experience with this I've messed around a bit with the uh the screen curtain and the accessibility features on ios But nothing in the android universe I I would love to hear from other people if this is a catch-up measure to what ios is doing Or if this is a in advance beyond where ios is at with their accessibility feature Big thanks to jane namadan Steve io jeff rose uh everybody who's submitted things we used from our subreddit submit your stories and vote on them Help make the lineup. Uh, I look at the daily tech news show reddit as the third signal Uh in in my all the signals that I put together I actually the fourth signal I guess so I look at my own rss feeds look at tech mean and look at google news Look at the subreddit so it really helps me put things together So the more of you who use it the better the show gets daily tech news show dot reddit.com and that is a look at the headlines All right, so, you know alibaba controlling interest in lazata They're spending 500 million for new shares and then they're buying out 500 million of existing shares from investors Uh, they they're going to try as we said to make half their revenue from overseas But as brian mentioned this sparked a conversation where I was like, well, I guess this is not your store And he said no, it's exactly my story because you use alibaba To to source material For your store and it's not just you go on alibaba and you buy 10 of the things Right. Well in and uh, it might be so so there's there's alibaba and there's aliexpress And I I assume the two are affiliated. I don't know aliexpress is actually uh, they're really pushing that in places like russia and brazil As as sort of you know, they're they're moving to those markets, but it's not always catching on Right, so so there was a fantastic experience when I first launched the online store Your friend of mine darin kitchen hopped on a plane and flew out stayed the night with me And he says look let me explain to you the world that you're getting into and the way you're going to make stuff happen And he showed us aliexpress showed us alibaba Showed us the janky weird chat feature where he's like, hey, let's pretend We want to buy something and we went into the world of alibaba and before we knew it We're chatting with somebody through a translation service or whatever Explaining what we wanted and what what could be done? Once you do that it makes it possible for independent small business folk to to have Take advantage of of distribution. It's it's the amazon of the world And in fact, we were able to do ridiculous stuff for example on our april 1st april fools day Prank we pretended that we were bought out by a japanese multinational conglomerate And we promised nothing was going to be different go look at scam stuff.com and you'll see everything's the same Using nothing but plugins and aliexpress. We were able to completely repopulate the store with the most Ridiculous and sane stuff you could imagine And all of it was actually for sale like if you actually wanted a balaclava that looked like a Viper hissing then you could buy it through us Um, it's it's astonishing what they're doing. And so the question as far as this acquisition is is Is this leading them to a Dominant market position that will allow them to exploit A monopoly essentially or is this leading them to a dominant market position that will allow them Unprecedented levels of efficiency like we've seen from from amazon and that's that's gazing into the crystal ball That I don't have an answer for but I know that i'm definitely interested in all of my interactions so far have been um Positive regarding alibaba Especially as they start to build up tools that preserve stuff like a reputation and you know much like uber you give everyone a rating You know how happy were you with the service and everything alibaba is popular within china for people to just buy things The way you would from an ebay or maybe an amazon Uh, the reason you're using it though is because why like why why why not buy Something from another source. What is it? What is the advantage to using alibaba to source that stuff? first of all the uh the ability to Peruse around is phenomenal and that's why even if you have no interest even if you're not Running a small business or whatever just take a tour around and look at just Play a game with yourself Where you just try to imagine the most outrageous thing out there and see if it's on there and some version of it Most likely is so you have this wide variety and you have this wish list Basically alibaba is a fickle genie where you can make a wish for something You just imagine and there's a reasonable chance that it's there and available at a reasonable price on there so, uh One of the problems though is sourcing stuff from china and i'm learning this as we uh go into uh, we're currently Redoing our our insurance stuff and one of the one of the questions asked on liability insurance is do you source anything from china? And it's not a big percentage But it is a percentage of our store that right now we're sourcing from china But the problem is from a liability standpoint The the buck stops at which point you can't go another link up the chain to find somebody else to blame like if we Sourced stuff from a tactical supply company out of bellingham Washington then uh, you know, let's say it's covered in lead or whatever They could sue us or we could say like no no we bought it from these guys And then it goes to them But if they say oh well we imported it from china china is not going to answer the phone You're not going to be able to sue anyone over there in china. They're it doesn't matter So the buck stops there. So I find myself Weirdly conflicted trying to figure out how to source stuff at a cost appropriate level Because the quality has generally been very good But there's all kinds of interesting uh pitfalls that you could fall into from anything from, you know Obviously china doesn't respect copyright laws. You have to That is not true China has its own copyright law and china itself enforces its copyright law. That's fine. That's fine I I will say however as a statement of fact that uh on olibaba. It is astonishingly easy to buy a lot of stuff That better bootleg or or or it's quite often seen that people have somehow not Honored copyright law at least the same copyright law we have over here correct correct and and again I I don't mean to step into a morass on all that stuff But uh, there's all these vectors you have to consider about whether or not It's appropriate for your business to be associated with these things and that's that's fascinating To me as we see the transformation of olibaba to becoming a legitimate global worldwide supplier Of of the majority of the stuff that you would have buy it And I read a note that uh only two to five percent of the suppliers on olibaba Will go to the trouble of showing compliance with safety standards Whether it's in the u.s. Europe or or australia So that's one of the reasons you run into that that insurance issue i'm sure And it makes me wonder if okay, but now we're moving into indonesia, malaysia Places that do have trade agreements with the united states That honor those sorts of things Would lazada Become another marketplace for that Or would the fact that really the the affordable manufacturers are in mainland china And so it's not going to matter that olibaba is now owning lazada and promoting that because you still want those people over there Who have the better rates so this is entirely made up But imagine a situation where my insurance says hey, we'll insure you But only if you promise not to source from china because we have these problems And i'm looking at the prices and let's say let's say it's something is six dollars if I get it from china It's nine dollars if I get it sourced from something that's verified to be in indonesia Like that's a slam dunk if I if i'm just looking to get the object and I you know i'm gonna flip it for You know let's say a 40 markup or whatever It's like yeah I'll give up that three dollars in order to be able to keep having this and be covered on insurance and have a known supplier That that theoretically complies with all these things. Yeah, sure Now the other thing I and I think it was good of you to recommend people like go look at olibaba You you can buy things there If you're going to start a business that's supplying from there you need to do a lot of vetting Not everybody just like on ebay not everybody on olibaba is on the up and up and olibaba Does it's best to try to verify those but there have been scandals before and olibaba has been accused If not properly vetting people before so you do have to be careful like anything else on the internet, right? that said I thought it was interesting when we were talking earlier that you pointed out that you're not just buying like Five ducks from olibaba and then selling them in the united states at a markup because anybody could go to olibaba And buy those themselves. It's it's a value ad proposition Yeah, no, that's that's one of the things that's really changed in the last seven years Let's say back in 2009 you could if you were willing to brave I don't know if olibaba how easy it was to access But you could buy a bunch of widgets at 50 cents and flip them for two dollars and 50 cents in the united states And you could do it a long time. And in fact, there's entire companies Um, yeah, I don't want to name any but but there are companies who have built their entire business model on buy cheap From asia and then sell in the united states But nowadays we can't get away with that because a lot of our customers at scam stuff are very internet savvy They know how to search for stuff if we uh, so what we figured out we have to do Is figure out the as you said the value added proposition. It's not so much for example, there is a component to our Lockpick set what we wanted to do is come up with the ultimate lock pick trainer And and so we came up with one with a high quality us made Jackknife, which is a lockpick thing, but by itself. It's only worth, you know, well, I have however much I don't remember the numbers But we were like well, I want people to see and learn how to pick locks with it So we added a very cheaply sourced from asia Exposed training locks, so it's basically a padlock and as you insert the lock picks You're able to see the individual pins tumbling in there So what's great is that anybody can find? Yeah, if you want to find one company over here That has a jackknife for sale then find another company over here source it wait three weeks for it to arrive from china And then you end up with like ha ha I showed you I saved Ten dollars over what I would have gotten it from scamstuff.com and that's that's fine If that's you then you could do that But instead what we want to do is say we're bundling things together for an experience and yes We have to be totally transparent. This is where we get everything from But you're going to get this experience and you're not going to have to go around finding all the right stuff You leave that to us and we hope that's worth the 10 extra dollars that that we charge over what it would take If you were to order directly from ollie express Yeah, it's fascinating to me that we've gone from a world where like oh I have to be an importer exporter to get that stuff to like no, I just have to know how to use a browser So the the businesses now have to say yeah, but we still have the expertise to know what things go well together or Or be able to add an etching or or whatever it is like, you know add instructions To make it make it worthwhile for you to say yeah, I don't have to go hunt all this stuff down myself in in so many ways this is sort of the I don't know the service industry inverse of of tear down videos where it's like Oh, we broke down the iphone and figured out it costs $248 and it's like yeah, right Aware of this fact I'm still going to pay $5.99 to get it from apple because I know when it breaks I could pick up the phone and apple will have another one for me Instantly or whatever and so if you can lay out all the pieces And have everybody know exactly what you're doing and they still want to buy it from you Then you are adding significant value to these people and it's interesting because we are the ones who have to We have to write the stories for these things We have to think okay If you get this what are other things that you really wish would be there Sometimes it's little obvious things like you know, hey nobody sells a uv flashlight that has batteries in it Along with uv print powder So why don't we just bundle all that together and make it simple And then you know, we could buy everything a wholesale and hopefully create a package that's compelling That kind of transparency. I think is is Kind of wonderful and empowering both to the consumer and it keeps producers on on their toes. Yeah Well, uh, let's get to our pick of the day and he writes I was up late rocking my newborn baby Baby daughter and did what every great parent should turned on netflix to pass the time It's awesome algorithm found me a program that not only I enjoyed but I thought would be a good pick for dts I binge watched the entire 12 episodes which left me wanting more So stood by a really charismatic guy who is up with his tech and street smarts Who you should see about getting on the show the show is called hacking the system It's hosted by brian brushwood. I think you would get along with him on the show really well How he understands and can explain tech and other things I'm so glad netflix hooked me on this amazing show that shows some goofy life hacks Like making a taser from a disposable camera and more practical ones like dealing with salesmen to get the best deal For all who have a netflix subscription. I think it's worth a watch Okay for the record like was this was this all of ploy that you had when we went through the the doc Like like you were hoping that I wouldn't see that this was the recommendation. I just put it in there I didn't know if you're gonna see it or not Yeah, man, uh, dude, it has been astonishing to see You know the show premiered a little over a year ago on the national geographic channel But I guess I guess our crowd is just a very internety crowd because the reaction that it's getting now that it's on netflix Is way bigger than it ever was back when it when it premiered on cable television But I will say real quick, uh, please please please if you enjoy hacking the system on netflix Please binge watch it. Let me know whatever your questions are But more importantly, please please please leave a review and and uh rate it That's yeah, and I think that answers and he actually had a question in his email, too He's like does it work for you to have the show on netflix does do you get a kickback? How does it how does it help you to have the show on netflix and your answer is like Review it like keep it up. Yes. I mean, I mean this is what it means man television It's it's this is 10 years ago. Uh, yeah, it wouldn't matter Uh, it's amazing to me to see how much everything has shifted. Um, It's very rare for a first-time television personality to have any ownership stake in the show I don't think i'm talking out of school to say that I don't have an ownership stake in the in in the show So, you know, I did get paid to do it However, I do derive immense brand value, you know Brian brushwood as a host and and all my other properties if there's to be a spiritual successor to the show It's good for jason murphy is good for brian brushwood as long as the show is well rated and well reviewed It puts us in a position to pitch our next project like that Send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com you can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com Slash picks couple emails before we're out of here Bill burlingame was hearing us talk about vr on yesterday's show and wrote in and said my granddaughter and her family visited us last week Her oldest turned four on february 27th. He has a book about the solar system It has been engrossed with it since before he turned two So I set up my google cardboard with the titans of space app using my nexus 6p For my granddaughter to see after a while she put it on the four-year-old and he got all excited He was looking all around jumping up and down calling out the things he was seeing Naming planets. He was seeing naming their moons. He looked down and said he could see the astronaut Even with a simple google cardboard implementation. It seems like vr could be a great teaching tool Dude, absolutely. I'm astonished at how good google cardboard is as far as like, you know It's it's obviously not the fidelity of an oculus or a But going from zero to anything is a big big leap And then we were talking with justin robert young last week about decentralization Of tech companies brian henry who is a business professor wrote in and said whether or not companies are decentralized or hierarchical Is not a question of one works and the other doesn't both can work I think of it the way i do myself versus other professors. We each teach in our own way The best don't try to be something they're not so apple is top down because steve jobs was the commanding Personality they have yet to do anything brand new or successful as the ipod the ipad or the iphone since his time Running the company so it remains to be seen if apple will ever do anything as revolutionary as those again However, mark zuckerberg isn't like steve jobs and so they are more decentralized This works as long as the people being left alone are competent and do their jobs without the individual silos becoming competitive In a way that would cause harm to the whole. Uh, there's a large body of literature on this sort of thing. He says right on Thank you brian, uh for sharing your expertise with us and uh, thank you all for watching brian brashwood Obviously scamstuff.com, uh hacking the system on netflix. What else you got going on? Uh, man, I I had to do a count You know, we added a new show the modern rogue a lot of people really like what we're doing on hacking the system So jason murphy and I realized that uh, we don't have to wait for the next big project to come along We can actually start doing it right now. So if you go to the modern rogue Dot com then you get to see a playlist that'll take you right through all these fabulous vignettes Everything from us building a homemade gas masks and then testing them against pepper spray versus Uh, we make a prison spears. We learn how to crack bullwhips. Uh, it's utterly fantastic You'll before you know it, you'll understand why you need a burner phone. I'm really proud of them So that's the modern rogue dot com folks. That is correct. Although, uh, yes, exactly Uh, hey, thanks to everybody who supports us.  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I'm always astonished at how fast those shows go. It's amazing Try to keep it rolling, man Uh, you know we pack it in we pack it in folks. It's daily. That's the thing, right? You kind of people don't have a lot of time you got a True Podcast based on the duration of their commute. There's somebody out there 35-minute commute and he needs exactly that was the big lesson at buzz out loud is that 30 to 40 Was the sweet spot mostly because of commutes being around that length And then, you know, if it runs a little short people, you know, they can just kind of hum the rest of the way At the top is license registration and phone, please License registration and phone, please It's your fault for being in canada Uh, I like that one. I don't know why it's just I like that would do um Ali Baba the fickle genie Ah, yeah, that was good too. Actually, uh, never get involved in the copyright war in asia Nice, it's a nice a nice not to I don't know if we'll use that, but it's funny. Um Agents on messenger and messenger is initialized Working hard there silverblade appreciate the effort Bryant, uh, uh, textilizer ali baba las lasada hates monday's lifting DD Lifting. Oh You want something on topic for what we talked about? I I do like ali baba is a fickle genie ali baba. The is a fickle genie. Yeah, okay I'm I'm I like that one too. Let's go with that My default would have been it's your fault for being in canada, but I don't know. I just the funniest thing we uh, we pissed off one canadian already with yesterday's court killers by Incorrectly telling phraser. I did that nfl twitter would stream in canada. It apparently it won't Like canada is the exception to the nfl statement that will be worldwide Well, you know, it's in that weird position. It's another country, but technically it's not international when you make a phone call It's long distance nfl's press release said this will stream worldwide without authentication and then, uh, Barak mcbush on on barak mcbush. That's his twitter name. Okay said, uh Said pointed to a global mail article. It's like, oh no, except in canada Won't be doing that in canada. That it's it's kind of weird. It's like so close It's it should be a state, but it's not because it's rogers rogers has the rights to stream it In a way that cbs and bc don't Can't put rogers the truth roger To roger spiracy rod spiracy Oh, yes, y'all that the poor phraser. Yeah, sorry if I uh forgot um uh The moment you mentioned alibaba I started talking and then you gently corrected me saying like and we'll talk about that later And I was like, oh no, that was that was the right amount I did not I didn't think you had forgotten It was more like, hey, here's a little teaser and then we'll we'll get to the rest in a minute Good deal. Yeah, that worked for me So broilers It was so chicken broiler. So I was looking for an oven What? No an alibaba I have a vertical glass gas. Oh, so you're you're actually looking you're shopping on alibaba right now Yes for a chicken broiler. They have broiler poultry feed magnesium oxide It's a trip what you can find on there. Yeah, oh, it's great It's great. What's great. Uh, do it do yourself a favor type in something like north korea and see what comes up Sounds like a trap No, no, no like like I understand drenching vessel in north korea I found uh, I found this amazing uh t-shirt. It was a full bleed t-shirt of uh kim jong un Like like pointing and smiling and behind him Are the hollywood hills only instead of hollywood. It says north korea On there it's just some amazing stuff. It's like culturally when you when you're not even sure That's like is it is it it's meant to honor or insult or neither? My guesses my guesses whoever's selling that shirt gives two craps whether or not, right? They're like, I don't know but it sells Oh, man Uh bio cow I think found the link.  I love I love our strange wonderful world You know what they need to do is make a hoodie. You know, you've seen those hoodie versions where you can zip up the face portion And come ask you imagine this it's his face so you can be oh, look I bet it's there That that must be there if this stuff is on there that has to exist already What's really funny is to type in Names of people That you know that are american but maybe just maybe popular enough that there are knockoff bootlegs available of their dvds and products Oh, yeah I checked myself There was a brief while that somebody was selling a bootleg of like a show I did at georgia something college georgia It crossed out brian from my results and gave me lovely landscape paintings when I wrote in brian brushwood There is a there is a chihuahua peeing if you type in brushwood There's a canvas art print of uh, some some people cleaning up after a forest fire seriously It's the best What about roger chang that's got to bring something up I typed in v8 engine and all they are you get are those stupid emblems Jolly rogers, yeah False wagon va timing chain tension. I don't know who makes most of these I would like to know Like if you look at it, does it tell where their source from? Probably chinese factories Because like, uh, oh, I see I see it's from Yeah, you know it depends some of it. It's really iffy. You can't really tell until you actually see it Especially and I linked to him in our show notes. I found several Articles with guides to if you're going to do business on alibaba Here's things you need to know. Here's how you vet your sources These are the common pitfalls in communication and that was one of the uh, that was one of the stories Darren told me and again, I don't think I'm betraying any confidences here But he was saying that there was one supplier that he was chatting with Uh looking to get some network equipment made and he says hey, is it possible to get that in black? And they're like, yeah, and then they sent over a picture of it in black Is it great? I'll take a bajillion d of them or whatever right and you got them And they were definitely the same white units just spray painted black. Yeah So literally didn't get lied to Yep, no correct. And apparently that's what you have to watch out for. Yeah That might not even be a scam right that may just be a like, oh, well, sure. I could make a black Like if you said if you said you wanted to make it from a, you know black plastic material, right? Yeah You know a lot of those it's weird because a lot of those factories do multiple things Are runs for different for different vendors Well, and we have the same thing with uh food production in the united states, right like uh, whether wendy's mcdonald's Uh, uh, Kentucky fire chicken, they're all sourcing from the same mega conglomerate Literally in the same facility. It's just like okay for the next 48 hours. We're running doing the right wendy's run And and follow these procedures used man I remember that I still remember visiting the warehouse in cold water, ohio the pet milk plant And my dad showing me all the palates of evaporated milk in like Dozens of different brands like oh, there's the kroger brand and uh, there's there's a different There's a non pet brand and there's this other brand and he's like, yeah, these all come out out of the same They're the same thing They're exactly because I mean that's the only way you can really run those processing plants unless they're owned by the parent company I mean it's just not you just can't let the equipment settle and have people Like, you know just come on and off because it's you to make money. They have to be constantly running It's like right message in the day Hey speaking of which my uh, captain of operations at scam stuff.com John tilton is bugging me because I have to make some decisions about sourcing our next original product Look at that. See folks. It's real. He wasn't lying. He really does this Uh, all right. I'm gonna bug out. I'll see you guys. All right. Thanks, man. Thank you so much for being on the show Yeah, uh, roger hit me up any time. Uh, just lock me down for another date. This is a lot of fun I love to do it again. Awesome. Definitely Let's do it And uh, luckily I am pretty much out of the post here So he doesn't does he need to log off or did he he's going over to hang up right now? I'm sure The computer is not in this. It just looked like he walked off set. Yeah See ya bitches All right, uh, that is it. We are out of the post the show is up. Thank you for watching. We'll talk to you later. Bye