that probably won't be on the 8th quarter before. Well, that's what I'm getting to, yeah. So, if we're going to, we may want to meet on July 8th at 6. I already had that on the calendar. On July 8th? And actually on the 22nd. Do you mean that? Do you mean that? No, this is just for them all at 6. Because it's my Monday off. I can do it. So, July 22, I don't see a lot of opportunity for us to meet to talk about this stuff at all. We took it, we're going to be in East Montpelier. We've got 6 o'clock, and then we've got to meet with the East Montpelier Select Board right after. I don't know if they can find us a spot that we can meet. I'm sure there's probably going to be some things on the 22nd we're going to have to do. So, I'm hoping we can maybe meet somewhere at the East Montpelier Town Office, like warrants, that kind of stuff that we're going to have to do on the 22nd. But I don't see a good place to meet there to do this. Do you think we could figure out on the 8th, whether or not who we're going to interview? Last time we did. And then I figure we can just shoot for the first select board meeting in September to make a decision. You mean August? No, I think it's September. And then give us August to have the interviews. First meeting in August, and maybe a second meeting in August to find out how many vendors. And then we can render a decision. Well, whatever we should decide for this process going forward, because I think we need to let the vendors who responded know that this is a change in our timeline. So if we could come to a decision tonight about the process and what we're going to meet and what we're going to do, that would be helpful. And Katie can get it in the minutes. Yeah, I think we can agree to the first step of the score card meeting again on 8th to review those inputs and agree upon next steps. I think we're in a better position to talk about an overall schedule in terms of when we would award. I think that John's suggestion makes sense that we look to the first meeting in September to award with an outside date of the second meeting. Right. So I'm just going to make sure on July 8th at 6th, there wasn't something else that we were planning on. I've had IT vendors in there from ages ago. So there's a presentation. Because at our last meeting, we said that we might be in position to start getting presentations as early as the 8th. So presentations, tentatively, could be in August on the 12th and the 20th? Well, I think we have to have some flexibility in our scheduling. Because some of these vendors, they may not all be available on the same night. Right. And yeah, we've constructed that. Boy, would it be nice if we can narrow it to two meetings? Well, I would say one to three vendors in one meeting so that we see them all back to back. Because that would be ideal. Maybe, Rose, you said you have Mondays off. Every other Monday. But we could do it just in time. So you're off on August 12th and 20th? Just get it done. Yes. Yeah, that'd be nice. One week, I'll spend the Monday up here. Yes. 12th and 26th, I'm not off. So 12th and 20th? We're not off. 26th. 26th. So you're not available at 6th? No. Trying to make notes. You came, you're getting this in the morning. We don't have to keep it in the minutes, but for now, just sit so hard. Try to, when I'm doing the agenda, so I'll know. And I should go out and get my August calendar and switch posts. So what do we, Rose, could not do daytime, daytime in August on Monday day? Oh, I thought we were talking about 6 o'clock. John was suggesting. Well, I was suggesting it's any alternative that I'm going to pass for possibility. Yeah, I'm off all day Monday the 5th and Monday the 19th. I'm off all day. So we could have a special meeting on one of those days. Monday and the 5th is probably not a good one. 5th of August? Oh, oh, 5th of August. 4th of July should be over for you, John, by then. I still may be staggering. Potato salad. Let's hope that. Next year I have the 5th off, so. So tentative dates to do a daytime or whatever are the Mondays in August of the 5th and the 19th. But we have to find a place to meet because the town office is kind of crazy on Mondays. But I want the town office staff to be able to come to the presentations if you wanted to. Well, has the town hall got any room? Well, we're going to ask when the town hall committee is meeting at the town hall on Thursday. So I have a better idea, but there might not be any internet and that kind of stuff. I mean, we're what, five or six weeks from August 5th? Is it crazy to say the town offices are closed on Monday, August 5th? August 5th. That's one of my things. Just be on this. What if it's late? Or we'll close at noon? You can't do it on August 5th. Not all of our office staff is available on August 5th. Are you not available on August 5th? I could be available. That's my birthday, but I could probably work that day. That's not a cake. That's the answer. Oh, yes, I'm here. Vendors all have to bring cakes. Cake. Oh, no, past cake. We had tart. Mr. Tart with the fruit on top. Oh, that's awful good, too. Is that something you made? No, she bought it at. Delegate decadence. I've thought about trying to make these specialties. Now I paint those. Anyway, no, it's fine. I have worked on my birthday for years and years. It doesn't matter. I think you would want to do is just run that by Judy to make sure there aren't any election ramifications given what is going on currently. Well, we're meeting on Thursday, staff meeting. So we can run this by her. Katie will give me the to-do notes. What if there is another election or something? But if it's just a regular busy Monday, then I think if it's close or far and late. Open at 11 instead of 8. So anyway, let me figure that out. So at some point, though, I think we need to send the vendors an email and just say that we're not doing the same circumstances. We're not prepared to. Last point, I'm doing that tomorrow after we had this meeting so that I wanted to have this meeting first, so I could just give some kind of idea of our title. Why don't we? Is it possible to just say to your point of, well, they may not be available. On the other hand, it would be nice to see them all at once. Staff, obviously. Can we just say we're looking at either the 5th or the 19th? Please let us know if there's absolutely no way you can participate in a presentation on one either daytime or evening, right? Yeah, that makes sense. That way, they can get back to you right away. And then we can pick. If they said neither of those dates would work, that's fine. We know we have to list some others. Or maybe not. If they have two dates and they're two weeks apart, it seems like they should be able to come off of something. Yeah, right down the 5th and the 19th on the calendar for the website. I know that they don't usually schedule at least anything on Monday nights, no matter what Monday it is in case we need to. All right, so I will get notifications out to the vendors tomorrow. I will send out a modified version of the scorecard that will apply to around one screen to be in the section near the defender demonstrations. You just put the weight at 0 without more accomplishment. Yeah. Restricted the weight. Easy peasy. If they didn't, I have to assign that way to something else and then put it at max. It might be extra. It might be good just to have a separate box for the demonstration. We might have thoughts on the demonstration, you know. When they came and talked to us, did they talk English? I could do a second chapter is what I'll do. Oh, yeah. That way I can, round one, we'll have a full weight of the assignment. So take that five points off of the new demonstration. How would you vote that we would assign it? You want me to put it under project understanding so that three and four would vote that 25? Put it under, I think there are conditions and rates. Yeah. So that's already really heavy. Right, I was thinking that project understanding is really important. Okay. And then I'll have a second half. A second half will just be for the demonstration. Right, because when they're doing their demonstration, we might make notes. Okay. All right, any other questions or thoughts on this section, and then I've got something else to go to that we said we would cover if everybody discussed, they want to see it now or if they prefer to do the scoring first because it was requested that I do an analysis, very high helicopter level analysis of the RFPs and present to the board any SWAT analysis, strength, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats. I can do that now if you would like to see it. If you would prefer to score on your own first with your own and that's okay in open discussion. Yes, the way I've structured it is. Okay, yeah. Like I said, it's a helicopter view so I try to keep it very generic. Okay, because I don't want to be overly influenced. Okay, no, I was thinking about the camera. Right, that too, but. Great, so I guess you feel like it's not going to overly influence our review of them. If it's that really high level, if it's okay in open discussion, it must not be vendor specific. It is vendor specific. It might help us to, for those of us that haven't done this before. To see what a SWAT is. Well, and I did read them, so I actually, so I have some of my own impressions already. And probably now is not the time to discuss that, just do this helicopter view. Well. You just do pros and cons, not opinions. Right. Beyond that, right. Yeah, exactly, I just kind of, would I impressions that I've gotten based upon responses you've seen, but not going into detail about it. There's one, for instance, that said, we're not going to be available on summer vacation. I mean, that there's an easier one for me. Right. Too bad. Did we say that? No, it wasn't exactly that. Wow. I looked at it, because I looked at that as your short hand of, yeah, that was, yeah. I remember that. More difficult to reach in the months of. Right, which. Something like that. So long time, that's what it is. I'm thinking about it though, and what information is contained in. I would support a motion that we do in these. Because of the contractual and proprietary nature of some of the information and the proposals that's reflected in your SWAT. Yeah. So move. Second. So we've only got 20 minutes to do this. Yes, we can do that. I'm going to grab that. Just got to get rid of the media. Mr. Rollman. Okay, the school district, they'll allow the town to continue to use the elementary school property as an emergency shelter for town recreational programs and activities. You will be able to hold town meetings and elections there. And when you choose to or want to be able to hold town board committee and commission meetings, you'll be responsible for supervising your activities when you're on the property. You will be required to, of course, maintain your own liability insurance. They'll ensure the property. You'll each to the extent that the law authorizes you indemnify each other. So your problems are your problems. The school problems are the school problems, for example. You can't assign this to anybody else. It's not like you're going to assign it to Marshfield, but you can't assign it to anyone else. The school district can only assign it to Washington Central Supervisor, Unified Union Supervisory District, if that would be success. Washington, WC. Unified. Yes. U-U-S-D-B. Exactly. That's really the, none of it all. The rest of it is just basically boilerplate. And should we tell them that the school board signed this, what was the date of the announcement? The school board signed this on June 17th, a week ago. Yeah, we were, John and myself, and two of us were there. So I'd like to move to approve the school property use agreement between the town of Calis and the town of Calis School District and authorize the chair, Denise Wheeler, to sign the school property use agreement. And I'm looking for a second. The second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, motion carries. Denise was signing this, your free act can be and the free act can be to the town of Calis. Yes. Remember not to step on it. Okay, the next document is an easement deed. It goes along with the school use agreement that essentially takes the agreed upon rights that the school district is given to the town and make them property rights. So they will run with the land going forward, okay? And so if the property were to change hands from the town of Calis School District to a successor, these rights will transfer with that type. So if it changes hands to a unified district. Exactly right, yep, okay? And it's the same basic rights, the rights to use it as an emergency shelter, the rights to use the recreational fields, playgrounds, and gymnasium equipment for recreational purposes, easements for town meeting and town elections, easements for town board committee and commission meetings. And going along with this is a right of the public to access the buildings as well to use them for those purposes and to attend those meetings and events. There is a right for pedestrian and vehicular access that people can walk to the property across the property and park the vehicles there for those purposes. And as we did before, each party is going to be stand authorized by the law to indemnify the other against claims that might arise against one another. Okay? All right. So that being that, John, if you could make a motion. So I would move to approve and accept the easement deed from the town of Calis School District to the town of Calis and authorize the chair to sign the easement deed. I'm looking for a second. Second. All right. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. In post, there are non-motion hearings. Just ask you to write in 24th of June. Denise, was this your free act and deed and the free act and deed of the town of Calis? Yes. Two down and one left to go. The third document is an option. Purchase the school property. Like the easement, this will run with the land and you, the school, excuse me, the town will have an option to purchase the school property for $1 in the event that the school is no longer used for on-site education of children under an accredited academic curriculum for a period of 180 days. Okay? There's no one school here. Essentially that, yes. Okay? And that if it's not used, if it's not used for educating children, then the town would have the right to exercise this option, okay? Or it probably has been a ban. And when, if that were to happen, does that include the conference? No, it basically includes the building and the land. Okay? It includes the building and the land. Okay? And if you exercise the option, you agree to, for so long, as economically practical, endeavor to maintain the subject promises for community, civic, and public use. Now this is, there is a similar article in the article of agreement, articles of agreement among the forming districts to form the new district. This is in addition to that, okay? And the notion being that that might have, those particles of agreement might have the possibility of being amended down the road. But this could not be amended except by the permission of the town accounts. Okay? And that would have to be a public vote? Or an action of the select board? Hmm, might have to be a public vote because it's a, could be a conveyance of an interest in life. We have to, conveyance of an interest in municipal property, you'd have to examine that at the top, but good luck. Okay? John? So I would move to approve, I'd move to approve and accept the option, granted by the town of Calis School District to the town of Calis and authorize the chair to sign the option. Second. Okay, all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? There are none, motion carries. Sign, date there. So these will be remitted to the clerk for the recording? Yeah, Jim's gonna read in for the minutes. And the minutes will be. What the next step is with these documents so we have it in the minutes. Okay, but the minutes of the school board meeting, where they all voted to authorize the chair. Yeah. And granting her the signature authority, do we wanna add those minutes? You could certainly track them down. Right, and attach them to this, and then I think that would be good. Yeah. It's a challenge, 10 years from now. Yeah. And Denise, with signing this, we're free acting deed, and the free acting deed of the town and counties. Yes. All set. I will make copies of these on the machine over here for myself. Okay. And I will leave the originals. Julie, we've talked with the chiefs going to record them. In the land records. And the essay that's recorded in the land records. Okay. And should we be setting a copy of these signed documents to the school, or to the supervisor here, who I'm talking about? Oh, not bother. They're public, they can come get them. I will send a copy to Brian Monahan. Okay. Okay. I'll also send a copy to Suzanna Culver, just an electronic copy for the record school. Right. Okay. All right. I'd like to thank Jim for all his health on this, because this would never have happened without his help. So, thank you very much. Thank you very much. We will appreciate it. I'm glad to see it all comes through. All right. And we will see you on July 22nd. For a cemetery, right? Right. If not before, I sure will have questions and stuff before. Okay. Thanks, Jim. Thank you. All right. You ready to move on? Thank you, Select Board, for supporting this endeavor with the school. Well done. Major lift is awesome. It is awesome. It's really, it feels really good. It feels right. The greatest concern has been awaited. Yeah. Okay. We have a volunteer for the development review board. Thank you so much, Art, for stepping up. We really appreciate it. Do you need a hard copy of the zoning regs in the town plan? That would be helpful.  Yeah, it would be helpful if a hard copy was available. Okay. I'm sure I have a few things to read out on. Yeah, that's to you. That's to you. That's to you. And I know you know Walt, and he's filled you in. I thought I saw Walt here. You're right. Okay. So the development review board only meets when a permit, an application is filed because you need a permit to do something outside that the zoning administrator could actually do. And I think that I'm an alternate on the DRV. I remember reading the report. Yeah. And they don't meet that often. I think it's probably five to eight times a year, 10 times a year. So it's not like they meet every week or every month. It kind of comes and goes. It spurts. So I don't know if everybody knows, or would you like to introduce yourself to everybody and we can introduce ourselves? I'm Hart Edelstein. I live on Bain Comotley Road. As Mr. Gravebant said, I'm always selling things on front board four. Here's your bonus instruments. So I've been just background, I've been up on that hill for 30 years we've been doing that across from there. And so we're good friends, because we can stay both of us up there for 30 years. Right. You may have read me in The Times August on the weekend I do music reviews. I've been teaching at Champlain College since 2003. I'm not teaching in the fall and I think I'm maybe just ending that affiliation. It may be time, I keep getting older. They keep staying the same age and I keep getting older every day. It's weird how that happens. That's not every other nerve. Yeah, they're always 20. Yeah. That's all. All right. I'm glad that's all right. And I haven't found here before but freeing up some time and thinking maybe there's time, I live here. Thank you. I appreciate it. It's funny. I don't own property here. March though, but I own property in Plainfield. Very odd situation. But I go here, that's good. So it is time to, you know, to check up here is that what you do? That's it. Yeah. He's a good neighbor. That's an old term. Youngsters like you wouldn't. Yeah. So I just decided, when Walt mentioned it, I said, oh yeah, that sounds good. Why not? And so I'm looking forward to making sure we don't build any high rise buildings in Calis and things like that. You think? That's a good term, yeah. And then I would vote to stone it. Well, thank you very much for stepping up. Yeah, thank you. I'll make a motion to appoint Art Edelston to the position at the DRB and I'm not sure what time, which term. I was looking and to probably put them in the term that Steve Owens had. I haven't even know, but I don't think. Yeah, oh no. To replace Trey Martin and the Trey Martin's term expires in 2023, I think. Four years. Yeah, right. Four years, yeah. Okay. So is that, that's a friendly amendment to your motion? Yeah, yeah. Is there a second? All right. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed hearing none. We'll get you hard copies of the zoning regs and the town plan. I can just get them. Just call me and I'll walk across the road. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks very much. Thank you very much. And I'll let the DRB know that we have appointed you so that the next time they have a hearing, they can let you know. You're free to stay, you know? No, I understand, but I haven't even been there. Good, thank you. Oh, and you didn't bring dinner for everybody? I didn't eat dinner either. We thought about it, but it was all leftovers. Oh, okay. All righty, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Well, you're welcome. Thanks, Art. We'll see you around. Yep. Okay, next up, Ms. Berber. Delinquent tax coming up. Can we not do an order for PC? No, she's not available. She's out of town. We'll have to do her the next time. Okay. Sandra, take it away. You got that. Thank you. We're doing a delinquent tax collector stuff first. My numbers tonight. This should be something like delinquent tax. Del tax, 60-19. Well, that's a spreadsheet. It's second from the bottom of PDF. Second? Yeah, I do the PDF one, because the other one comes up weird. Yeah, exactly. Okay. That one. PDF. So, this is the front page of the delinquent tax report. It's up Thursday, the 20th behind it is the list of tax payers and parcel numbers, which correspond to the first methane column one through 20-6. In green are amounts of delinquent taxes that I would present to the Board of Abatement for possible abatement due to the relatively small amount owing and the cost of collection. In orange is the amount of taxes that at this point are not likely paid without turning them over to a lawyer. However, we still have until the 30th as the final date by which we are looking for those taxes to be paid. Since the production of this report, number 10 has contacted me and has stated that full tax amount would be paid in full. They would be putting the check in the mail that day or that for a Friday. Number 10, is it? Number 10. Okay. And number, was it the person or the attorney that called and told you that? It was the person. Or a relative of the person. The first name was not the name of the tax bill. So they're planning to be paid by the 30th? Yes. In white are taxes that are likely to be paid by September 2019, but not necessarily likely to be paid by June 30th. In particular note that numbers 15 and 16, that tax payer contacted me and talked about additional financial, ongoing financial hardships that are expected to be resolved by various liquidation of assets and selling other assets. Although I will say that he, that the taxpayer would not, was uncomfortable committing to having the entire amount paid by that time but thought that a good portion of it would be paid and perhaps partial payments could be made between now and then, but I did not get a good sense that that would happen. So, all right, so we'll see what happened in the song June 30th. So my recommendation- The tax payer reached out to me as well, so some more comments. So my recommendation on the strength of that contact and on a previous contact, I'm actually recommending no action to the board based on the strength of that contact. And I think that it is my thought to the board that if this is not paid in full by September, then the board needs to consider it further and see what needs to be done. Let me see, 17 or 18 or more in that same, or what, I just read. Right, all the whites are the same thing. So number 21 called today and indicated that he would call back maybe with a payment plan who's working on it. There was no call back by that person. But you talked to that person on- That person talked to Judy and said he would call back but did not. So the third color as it were in blue, that check came in after the production of this report and I was able to just blue that. Where's that property that wants to go back to? I don't know where that property is. It has been to several banks and it's in Calis. I'm sorry, I don't have the property location off the top of my head. Let's see, is it on the back? Thanks for that, Rose. Just make it show. That was helpful. Now, I don't have that off the top of my head. I cannot answer that. Calis for bond. So the takeaway from this report is that there's a significant amount of taxes outstanding that realistically may need to be turned over to the tax attorney. At this point between now and the 30th, it is possible that we will have contact from the parcel owners and I am inclined to pretty much say pay half and let's make a payment plan over the next six months for the remaining half since we're into month seven after the last due date but we'll have to see. There may be considerations that we do not know about that the taxpayers are not sharing with us and that would be of importance to the board before rejecting a payment plan other than a top heavy payment plan. So the significance really of our delinquent taxes is our bottom line and we are at this point on the general government side, negative $19,000, $19,100, give or take a few cents. I have preliminarily explored how we may by statute have to deal with that. I will be talking with the accountants in a few weeks if it becomes a legal question then we will reach out to Jim and maybe that we need to raise that amount of money and taxes when we set our tax rate. Why don't we want to let the general fund absorb this? If it was $2,000 or $3,000 maybe that would be a great, that would be a reasonable option. We call that fund balance. The fund balance, yeah. But I think at this number the board may want to reserve a decision on whether or not you wanna let the general fund absorb that balance. We really want to keep a certain amount of money in that general fund and cover our first three months of operation, if possible, that's the recommendation. That's the recommendation of the auditors. Correct. It's a solvent of powers. Yes. Can I ask you a question? Yes. So between close on Friday, so let's say on Monday when we get here it's gonna be July 1st. fiscal year technically ends on June 30th. So what if payments come in the mail when you open it on July 1st but they're, they're probably really, how does that, does it go into the new fiscal year? Well it can't go into the bank account before, I mean it can't, it is impossible for them to be deposited within the fiscal year. So we would, so the auditors would either push them back because we are on a modified cash basis or if NIMRIC works that way we can date them all as received on or by June 30th. Right. And it's just a matter of managing how we reconcile the bank account with the receivables which it actually can be done. I can be done. I'm thinking the deficit, 19,000 is enough but we may have some checks come in to make it less. Ever, you very well may. The one check that, the one promise of payment is almost $5,000. Right. So the 3875 that we received, that is, that's already been taken off this bottom line. That's in the bank already. So which other one are you talking about? Number 10, that was promised to be put in the mail and full Thursday or Friday. And I did receive today, number 28, it's a small amount, $132, but it's here. So that $19,000 could go down by a significant amount, maybe. We'll see, but that was my question. I didn't know if you could, it's very imperfect and you can change the date in the receiving module but in the accepting module, sometimes it doesn't work very well and that could be something that we could work with never getting the accounts with. It's imperfect but we'll see what happens between now and then. Okay. As far as highways concerned, so that's the state of the general government that we're not in bad shape. We've projected between a $20,000 and $30,000 deficit depending on how the link with taxes rolled in. So we are under that projection and that's good. The board will decide at some later meeting what the best course of action is to deal with that deficit, we have plenty of time and nobody's said anything about abating, asking for an abatement, they don't. These tax payers know. What's the sum total of unpaid taxes for the under? It is now, it's $65,669.50 minus $132.14. And 50 cents minus $132.14. Oh, okay. And then maybe minus the four, almost $5,000. Yep, actually, yeah, we're just a titch over $60,000. That 30 and 75.41 is in. It was received, so that would reduce that $65,000. Sandra, am I right in your understanding that if you hear from other people in the orange, you're just gonna flip them to the white category, generally, based on the same criteria used to bring some whites here? I'm going to try and treat every tax payer with the same criteria. And again, we really just, if there has been no contact, no payment, I have no idea what variables are going to, what we're going to hear. It is not unlikely that we're just not, it is not unlikely that a portion of these folks are just simply not gonna contact us at all. If they haven't already. And you have varying degrees of confidence in the ones who have. Correct, correct. But for now, they're all in the white. The ones that are likely to be paid are in white. And they are ones who are on payment plans or on the strength of their contact. Strength of their character. Well, on the strength of their contact. On the strength of their character. On their characters. Yeah. Is there anybody you've heard from that you don't put in that strength of contact and you've actually left them in orange? Orange, no contact. Orange is no contact, no payment. Right, okay. So hang on. So the one person who did leave a message today who is in orange, he's in orange and he did not call back. Okay. And that's the number. And that is number 21. And number 21 has been in this rodeo before. Right, because we've done this before and then it's all of a sudden that the very last minute I think it's paid after it's already at the attorney's office. So that's where we are. It didn't burn us quite as bad as we were worried about. And I think we have a good shot at recovering my hook or crook really by voluntary payment or a tax sale of a vast majority of these. By the way, this report or an amended version of this report is required in our FY19 audit and will be produced for the auditors. And in fact, it would just be this front page. They don't really have an interest in who. No. Number two is you had a conversation that it really was completely not productive. It was absolutely, it was a personal conversation. It was an invitation to come back with a plan. It was a very welcoming invitation. Give me something, give me something. Give me something. Give me something. Tell me anything. And that person left with no indication that a plan would be forthcoming. So it stays in orange? Yeah, it stays in orange. No, that one's in orange. That's the one that was an exception. There was a contact, but it was so not productive. Right, yeah. Yes, there was no problem. There was not any promise of payment at all in that conversation. A similar acknowledgement of Owing was all that floated to the top in that conversation. We're not having a break. Never, I would think it's actually. Never gonna break. Okay, well thank you very much. I know you would all come. I've had one conversation and I know, so you're doing a lot. These conversations are really difficult. I honestly believe that people do wanna pay their bills. I have a strong belief in that. And I do think that most people do wanna pay their bills and that I speak for the three of us in our office. We work very hard to make people feel welcome. There is to receive them with a smile, to receive their payments with a smile. There's no judgment because there are very many reasons why folks are on this list and there's no judgment. So I really want the board to know that we are, when folks come in, they are respected and up until now, almost any plan that made sense would have been acceptable. But at this point, I really think on behalf of the board, I would like to be, give a little more strength and structure to plants, for folks who might be interested in them. But I'm always open to hearing what's going on. And please, if you hear something that you think is important, you would wanna share it with the board and with me. Because we, tax sales are not the goal. No, no, no. I mean, that's the last resort. It really is the last resort. And just to refresh you, we haven't done that for a couple of years. Once the board, or me on behalf of the board and or the board in conjunction with me, we can put together a payment plan. But once these parcels are turned over to the attorney, there is no further contact. The statute is clear. They can work out. Their only recourse is to discuss this with the attorney and that person's only recourse is to accept all payment of the taxes and costs associated. By the time it gets there, it's too late for a payment plan, is that right? Well, yes, at this point. Yes, because you do not want this level of delinquency to snowball from year to year to year. And since we have a few repeaters recommending to the board and the board has always the final decision. Well, I would not turn any of these folks over to the attorney without your final say go. Well, and we're following up. We have a delinquent tax policy that we're following. So we're treating everybody equally and fairly. So, you know, as I said, a lot of this is just the strength of the communication, what is going on with their lives. And I think I know this board well enough that we really want to work with folks if they're having a hard time with, you know, it's all carrot, no stick. It's what we want. Right, right. So it's never easy to turn them over for sure. No. So thank you. Nice job. Thank you. All right. Was I helpful one more thing? Yeah, well, we want to go through some of these other things, right? For clarification of the reserve fund. We wanted to do, I talked with Sandra and we had made a motion on May 28th about the use of the Town Hall Reserve Fund. And I was talking to Sandra about it and it's a little unclear. We're not paying off any debt. We just want to be able to move 10,000 from the Town Hall Reserve Fund to be used for the Town Hall renovation project, but leaving the money when it, the money, well, when the new fiscal year starts, there will be another 10,000 in there for the Town Hall Reserve Fund for future maintenance that we don't want to make sure stays in there for that purpose. So I think that that motion that you're talking about, when we say the reduction of debt just for posterity, say really, I think perhaps a better phrase would be for expenses of the project because we're not going to send the bank $10,000 to reduce the principal on the debt. We're using $10,000 for expenses from the Town Hall renovation. So that when invoices come in, you can use that money to pay those invoices. Correct, and John's comment, where someone's comment in the minutes was, well, we just would like to know how much is being used. So currently we used the Town Hall Reserve Fund for $3,430 worth of expenses. That was a negative on your balance sheet if you might remember that from the last time. Prior to that, you had used $1,600 of that fund before the loan and donation started coming in. So it would be up to you whether you want to combine that, call that $10,000, or just really focus on I think I think the idea the fact that 3,430 can go forward from there. In attending the meetings, my understanding is we would like to be able to use $10,000 from that fund going forward to pay off any invoices if we fall short. Yeah, the loan and donations. So debt is not so much debt as it is on going. Expenses. Yeah, payment of expenses. Yeah. Expenses. Just while you're able to pay the bills. And we had this idea of debt in our mind because the expenses are getting bigger than the budget or something like that. Right, but right now if we can use that $10,000 and then we'll see how much is left in there after that's gone, taking into account we don't want to use the $10,000 that's going to go in there on fiscal year 20, see how much is left to see how, we'll get a clearer picture of the budget. Donna sent me an email that suggested that regardless the FY20 appropriation and to the Town Hall Reserve Fund in the amount of $10,000 would not be touched for ongoing project expenses but would remain there for ongoing maintenance and upkeep. Yeah, that's what I just said, right? Yeah, that's after July 1. I think so, maybe. Yeah, that's what I was saying. So that's not in your minutes anywhere. That's not that $10,000. That is a separate thought process of the board, right? I don't think we need to, I don't think we need to make a motion or anything on that right now. No, it's in the minutes. I would just make a copy of the minutes and stick that in the notebook or posterity because there would be no way to find that. I love it. Right. You would want that. I have a notebook with our reserve funds and so comments and thoughts about what the board's intentions are at any particular time with the fund. There's nowhere to lock that in. So I would just take a copy of these minutes and put it in the notebook. And put it in that notebook with that fund. Okay, so we need to modify or make an amend the motion that was made on May 28th. I guess restate it, yeah.  Do you want to do it or do you want? I mean, I think I said so moved. So instead of right for the reduction of debt to pay expenses on the town hall project, that's what we were saying. Right. Yeah. So your motion is the same except for saying for the use or expenses of the project instead of reduction of the debt. Right. Okay, I know, right? Right. Second. Okay, any further discussion or clarification? Does that work for you, Sandra? Yes, again, I just think, I'm just thinking to cover the intention of the board as clearly as possible going forward so that it's easy to figure out what it was that you wanted to do. And the accountants ask, well, why was this expense posted here? I can open up the minutes without any difficulty and point to that decision. Okay, are you ready to vote? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. Clarity we shall have. That's always good. Okay, did you have also sent us budget update stuff? I really just kind of wanted to get this, you probably don't want to deal with that tonight, but I wanted to give you a flavor for how the delinquent taxes impacted our balance sheet and where we were or are actually at the end of this fiscal year. Okay, now we have a, Toby sent us the highway budget. And you've said you've worked closely with Toby and those figures are? We, the highway and I have had a great time working very closely together over these last three weeks. And what I do have is, and what Toby doesn't have because I was doing a lot of this for the end of the day is where they actually are after this payroll. So their bottom line was 30,799 cents on page three of their budget status report. You have a highway budget status report. There it is. And after this last payroll, which you have in your stack, they're now at 24,949,27. So you see where I've circled that $30,000? Why does mine look different? Why does mine look different? Well, that's a different document. No wonder. Where it says highway. Yeah, there's a couple of them in there in the folder I saw. I opened that one first. Oh, last year, isn't it? Oh, stop that. So this is the last page of their budget status report and where ours says negative $19,000, there says a positive $30,000. And that was produced on Thursday prior to running the payroll today for this week, the last payroll of this fiscal year. So that $30,000 is now $24,949. So roughly $25,000. And that's the money that would get transferred into the highway reserve fund? Yes, I am told there will be one more highway order with a date in this fiscal year. So that money will be further reduced and then the balance will be rolled over into the capital, the highway capital equipment fund. So we don't know what that. We do not. I am simply told it will come. Minus another invoice. And then whatever's left will go into the reserve fund. Yes. So I can just, when Toby comes in, he will not have the benefit of this most current number. He's on the agenda. Right, you wanna leave that? So I thought I would leave that. Yes, that would be very helpful. Thank you. Okay, and then anybody else have any questions on budget stuff while we're looking at those figures for some of them? Oh wait, we're not gonna make any kind of, this is just a clarification. Right, yeah, yeah, just an update. And then we have the internal control document, Sandra sent. Yes, the statute requires that this internal control document that has been put together by the state auditors be presented to the select word by June 30th. No action needs to be taken. You have a full agenda tonight. I think if the record could reflect that you received it and then we can review it later if you choose. I did, did anybody else review it? I reviewed it, it looked fine to me if we can sign off on something and not have to carry it forward, then we won't forget it. Oh, I won't forget it. You will, but I'm thinking. The auditors, I mean you have another, at least one more board meeting before the auditors come in and not just, you know, check the box that this was done. Yeah, they look fine to me. Anybody else look at it, Dawn? I do not look at it, are there any questions, are there any things that we should be aware of before we sign it? Any red flags? I do look at it. I didn't see anything that stood out to me. Did you click? It's more like a survey, it's, at the end of the day, it's just your checking as best you can. Right, and actually we've improved because we have NEMRIC doing the monthly audit now. Correct. So we've improved. Do we know if any of us have attended financial trainings? I have, a while ago. So you could change that. But I mean, it doesn't matter, I have, but you didn't know that. I did, but I do now, so we can put that on the next audit. Which can I just make one little pitch to the select we're talking about trainings? Just my way of information, not asking. I went to an HR training that was sponsored by the Vermont League and one takeaway I did have and not to add to your list or to your, to your multitude of tasks, but the one takeaway that I thought was important to bring back is that we really do need to update our personnel policy. We talked about it. Yeah, so put that in the back of your heads for some time, perhaps a smaller committee of the select board might be interested in working with me and VLCT offers a multitude of resources including a model policy and labor, legal labor specialist to review it at a discounted range. So just throwing that out at you. Thank you. Do you know when the last revision was or when we? Of the personnel policy, 2016. Yeah, 2016? Well, three years, I mean. We, it's time. I know it's time, but before that, we didn't even have one. Right. Yeah. No, it's on the list. Yeah. Good. No, appreciate that resource. Yeah. Thank you. I think that's right. You're willing to move to help the rest of the separate chair to sign an applicable. Okay. Is there a second? Second. Okay, any further discussion or questions? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, motion carries. So do you want me to sign? Yeah. And date today with the motion, I think that covers it. All right, now we can give it to the auditors when they come. Well, it will go in the audit file. I have 26 points of information to. 26. Yeah. Together. Okay, so you just want this? Yes, please. Ready. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for all your attention to detail and diligence and getting everything right and letting us know when we didn't get something right. Thank you. Well, we're doing good, I think. We are doing good. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you so much. And if you don't mind, I just want to show Alfred this most updated version. So I'm going to take all of you there. So you're off schedule, some meeting down schedule. So we're slightly ahead today, huh? Yeah. And then what is left on the board. But we have to talk about Chernobyl again. I'm just looking at one more. Someone get an orange on that board. Somebody did. Pierce sent some. The pay paid. Everybody thought it was that easy. Who did? Somebody is. Somebody we know. I don't know. Oh my. No idea, I don't recognize those arms. But we can't get, we can't get in a discussion, another hour discussion about Chernobyl and make sure everyone say yeah. Everybody waits forever. Sandra beat us too. All right, we're a little ahead of schedule. I thought that was a simple one. I assume Toby is coming. All that stuff. I heard. Photo. About the photo, I heard this, I thought we should post in the office because this is with Victoria Wimber. Oh, is that the one that readers been talking with? Who I'm making this movie later with Victoria. And it's, and that piece is virtually done. We're almost close, we're very instructive about the subject. And there was agreement, we'll find agreement that there wasn't before. Any more, not exactly. Yeah, it's some nasty stuff. Nasty stuff. Well, I, did you get whatever Sandra had for you? Yes. Okay. Here is a copy of, all right, never mind. We'll do that tomorrow. Okay. Never mind. That's no fault. Oh, okay. And this will stop it. Thank you. And we'll talk to this later. I assume Toby's coming. There he was. Okay. It's not quite eight o'clock yet. That's what I hate about putting kinds on the agenda, but I felt compelled after the last meeting that one is so long. We're going to sign this page, page two. Did I check them off? Oh, okay. Sorry, I haven't looked at it. Can we do like an 830 item? Technically, you're not supposed to move it. Oh, right. Because people might hear it. It depends on, I think what it is. I think we could do, citing the hot contract and the Humane Society contract. Seems like a risk. Yeah. I'm just a barking dog show up. And the cop contract and Humane Society money is in the budget. I said, unless any barking dogs decide to show up. Oh, I'm just really punchy. All right. So what about the cop contract? This would be effective as of July one because we don't have money in the budget until then. We talked about this when we were setting the budget. It's to the amounts that we discussed and were approved. What was the amount? I mean, she probably was in an earlier folder. Yeah, it's right in the, it's right in the town. We talk a lot about more of your buildings. Yeah, that's a good number. Did we give them any this year or it's only to start July one? Well, the budget, new budget doesn't start until July one. So there isn't any money to give them until then. They didn't start the project this year, partner. They haven't started it yet. I know it's in here. I've seen it. All right, that's highway. Oh, 10,000. And that's over like three years to do this. Okay, is there a motion to approve this? I don't know who all has to sign it. Some move. Customers. You just have to authorize the chair to sign it or not? Yeah. Well, you normally don't. Folks, do you want to authorize the chair to sign? That was Sharon's motion. I second it. Okay. Yeah, all right. And I'm not going to sign it tonight until I ask Judy for sure what I'm supposed to sign. Sorry. Okay. All those in favor? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Chair, no. To any of us, there's a couple more that you do. That's being moved. Thank you. This is good for you. All right, let's talk about Sunday, Vermont Humane Society. They were late, obviously, in getting this to us because this contract is for January 1, 2019 through December 31, 2019. And I saw this and I asked Judy who talked to Erica at the Humane Society, and she said they were late getting these out, which is obvious. But the amount of the contract hasn't changed from this year to last year. So we need a motion to- This is the contract to take the stray animals to the Humane Society. What? Okay. That's too much. Is it seven, one, two? Is that in the contract? Probably, if it's probably, because we're going to have to find it in the budget, it's $100 a day for canine, maybe not. Probably not. We send a budget line based upon this product. It's a per unit, yeah. I mean, it's per animal. It's like $50 for a cat, $100 for a dog. We just got it because there's an invoice in there right now for like, it's $600. But I don't know what our bottom line budget amount for this is. That wasn't really a question. Right, your question was about the contract. Yeah. So I would like to motion that we send the contract and on for a city sale on behalf of the slipper. Okay, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed, hearing none? 610 dollars. That was the one that's in there. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know why they're so late. I'm getting things out there. The two that you didn't sign a leave are right on the top. All right, so we got that. All right. All right, back to highway. Sarah, don't, I'll shut the door and lock it just to make sure I'm not stuck to put it in here. I think I'm gonna run to the girls. Yeah, I'll run in my legs. I'm gonna get them. See if that was okay. No, I don't think it was. Oh. I know that feeling. See it or not. Okay, okay. All right. Road commissioner operations manager. Thanks again, Sandra. Thank you. All right, let's talk about the one ton truck. Do you have some final figures now? They are, they're gonna trade for 18,000. They're gonna give us 18,000? For the whole one ton. Is that good? What's the book on that? What year is that? 2016. 40. What did you say? It was a 2016? 2016, let me tell you. They're 14. Yeah, we can look it up in the 10 on the floor. I think it's 15. You don't like how important. You wanna look it up? So anyway, that's the value that they are. You may be able to sell it outright for more than that, maybe hold out. We've got a half a truck for the summer, so we've got the summer to try to sell it outright. We can look at other possibilities. Of selling it. Right, okay, great. And what was the price on the new one? Can you tell me again? The new one altogether was 116,000. And that's a lease. Lease purchase, right? Lease purchase, right. And that's for how many years? It's a 2015, 45, 50, 10 truck. 2015. Okay, and what's the payment on this gonna be, a year? It's, yeah, you have to talk to the lease people. Depends on the interest rate. I mean, it's a, if you took a five-year loan and it cost you 100,000, it's gonna be 20,000 a year, plus interest. Okay, so this is, how long of the lease? What? I'm thinking five years. Five years? That's how long the truck is in service. Okay, all right. Anybody else? It's the warranty period. And the extended warranty would be for five years. This for five years. You can get a seven, but we don't wanna stretch trucks to that level of truck to seven. We've already had problems with those things falling apart in much less than seven years. Okay, so the plan would be. So that's one ton truck instead of the big trucks. It's gonna be a five-year cycle. Right, versus seven years from the big trucks. And we buy a seven-year extended warranty on the big trucks. Perfect, thank you for clarifying that for me. I missed the quote one out. Would you say it again? What the trade-in offer was? The trade-in is 18,000. Thank you. And the purchase price is 160. Thank you. Do you have any more questions or anything more you wanna tell us about that? Truck. Yeah, we are looking at, so one of the things that came up today talking to the salesman is, if we go with international, their truck is not going to be completely built until the end of October. And they may not see it for a month after that, so it might not show up until the middle of November. And then it's going to the plow and body shop for another month. So we could be looking at the middle of December before we saw the truck. So in the meantime, would we continue to use the one that you had the frame fixed? Right, we would continue to use that. So... Is any of that equipment transferable to the... No, it's used up, it's not worth recycling it. We are looking Chevrolet makes the same truck. And we started talking to them locally to see if we can get that same truck in Chevrolet instead of international and get it sooner and Alfie has some information about what he talked to them today. So the original quote from the international, they combined the whole truck and equipment. So I don't have to break down the equipment. So it's hard for me to compare the two, but the price I got from Cone Chevrolet is 55,600. So I'm sorry. 55,600. And that's just for the cabin chassis, not for the plow and body. So I need to break that down, break down the equipment number to be able to compare cabin chassis to cabin chassis. But Chevy can get that here soon. Yeah. Just one thought that I'm looking at. They ordered a while ago, it's due in any time. They ordered it for another company, but the company is not sure if they want it now. Which is good for us because it's the spec that we were looking for. And it will be available sooner for us. Like how much sooner? Because you'd still have to send it in to get it to the plow and all that stuff. Right, and land in September. Oh, okay. And land here or something like that. So like three months earlier. So essentially we're just seeing if Chevy can provide the same exact truck when there's a Chevrolet and we'll get the pricing on one of the packages. And it's the same thing as Elise. It would be Elise, yeah.  Right. We just have to figure out what the total package price is. Yeah, because I know you're looking for us to kind of make a decision and approve it tonight, correct? Because there was the issue that maybe this truck would be gone and sold to somebody else or something, right? Right, well, the promises is getting a truck. Decide on a truck because you can't save a truck unless you connect to it. Right, I know, but you've been a couple of meetings ago. You were waiting for us to make a decision because they were holding a truck for you. Right. So now you're talking about, they were holding a truck for you but maybe not going with that vendor, right? Right, because, well, they were holding the slot for the equipment. That's the biggest thing with buying a truck is you've got to get the equipment and all of it. Right. And those companies are so busy that you've got, you know, like J&B or Parks would save spots for the equipment and all of the truck. And that's what they were saving. Oh, I thought, yeah, I guess I wasn't clear on what you meant. We were also talking about a truck. You said they had ordered, they had ordered some number of trucks. They were going to be gone. Oh, okay. They were going to be put on one of them. Right, so the thing is, Clark's, who is the international dealer, has a certain number of trucks that are going to come to them. Right, that's what we were told. And they've not all been sold. So they still have two slots, two trucks that will come in October that no one has purchased yet. And that's the one that I was looking at. We haven't committed to them. We just said, okay, we're interested in there waiting for us to make it to the city. The problem still is, when does that chassis arrive? So if we miss their slot, the next time a chassis would be available is next April. So we will be out of luck if we miss the slot. And the slot, when you say slot in this context, and I was saying, we've got to get the chassis here. But if it arrives late for the slot, that means we don't get the plow and the... No, because essentially, Clark's is already committed to Fairfield for a slot of them. So they've got a, it's a combination that they've already put together. So each of those trucks has this package ready to go. And it's all set up and it's all... And they have some total package price for us. $116,000. That was the $116,000. That's fitted up. That's right. That's the way we want it. Right. Exactly. We have an $18,000 trading. So why would we not want to... Well, that price is... So minus the trading, that price... $116,000 minus $18,000. Okay. So it'd be about $98,000. Okay. Total package. The only problem is that that chassis is not going to arrive until October, late October. We're looking now to see if we can put another package to get over the Chevrolet. It's going to be a sooner package. Now, I don't know what that combination price is because we don't have the broken out price. We were going for this style truck because it falls somewhere and the range is this intermediate range. It's heavier than a Chevy or a 550. It's lighter than full-on dump trucks. So that's one of the reasons we were... This chassis is the same exact one. Only it's the Chevrolet version of it. They share the same structure. The same frame. Same motor, same transmission. Oh, it's the same company that makes it? Yeah. It's a shared design. So international puts a hood on the front. Chevy puts a hood on the front. They both manage that. No. Someone's making... They're not having two product lines. It's an Allison transmission. Yeah. And it's a... Duramax. Duramax is a little lower. International can't put Duramax on the branding. They have to call it their own motor. That's what the Chevy dealer told me today. They can't put their name on it. On the Chevy. On the international. They're calling it an international motor. But it's really different from Duramax. But Duramax is international. Right? No, it's Duramax. Oh, I didn't know that. You'll see Duramax in a Dodge truck. What happened? Is it a good? Is it any good kind of engine? It's got Dura in it. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. Dura. And we're worried about going into snow season with this truck. No, it just, the sooner it gets here the better for all of us. We've still got to go over Frank, remember? No, we've got to fix it. Right. But how long will it last? But it's still one of those things behind, you know, behind the line thinking about what could go wrong. And it's served as thought. It's a five-year truck down to a couple of minutes really time for it to go. Four years. We're only over the fourth year. It's four years with 40,000 miles. So... I don't see the difference. I don't see what the difference is. Yeah. Right, but I'm not trying to argue with you just saying, but I was told by you, I'm not making this up, that the folks who were welding said it's stronger than new. That's what you said. When it's done, it's better than when it came off the assembly line. Right. That's not really an issue if that's an accurate statement. So what would the board like to do? Make sense to have them look. I don't want to pay more. Are you inclined to set the amount, not to exceed, and if we can get more than 18,000 for trade-in, that's great. If not, we would like to get at least 18. What do you guys... Right. I would think if we can get an apples to apples type situation, great. If it's different in any significant amount, clearly the board's going to want to review it again. I'm sure you guys wouldn't want to move forward without us looking at it again. Right. And the fit-up would be identical by the same company. The new truck is heavier built than the trade-in. Right. That's what you're doing. That's right. That's what was going to happen to the truck for the last... So if someone were to make a motion to approve a five-year lease purchase of this truck, whether it be the Chevy or the International, and an amount not to exceed $116,000 and take no less in trade of $18,000 on the 2015-550, would that work? What does the board think? It's not a motion such as that. Maybe I'll make that motion. I'll second it. All right. Further discussion? You should have Katie read it back. Denise Miller made a motion to approve a five-year lease purchase of this truck, Chevrolet or International, in an amount not to exceed $116,000 and take no less in trade than $18,000 on the 2015-550. So I'm just FYI, for instance, we got this motion on the table. I just Googled Duramax diesel engine problem. Since we've had so many diesel engine problems, I Googled that. Duramax diesel is susceptible to fuel starvation and getting air in fuel lines. Water pump failure over heating injection, ejector failure, injector, harness, jaffing, glow plug, fatter concerns. This is what bothers me. Aluminum cylinder head issues.  So I guess, have you guys researched this motor to make sure this is something we want to get into after what we went through with the international? I mean, maybe we find this on all of it. If you Google any motor made and made, you're going to find weaknesses. Even Cummins? Cummins happen weaknesses. Yeah. You want to go for something else, Joe? Well, I'm asking if there's, it says, five fatal flaws. There's a lot of print on this. Just like there was on the international that we now are so glad we got rid of. And we took a beating on. Are there other, I mean, I don't know more than that. I don't know. I don't know if this is the best engine available. But this is going to be another problem. We're trading one problem for another. I just, it's about due diligence. I guess I'd like to know more. We got burned pretty bad on that internationally sensitive about this. Do you have any experience with this kind of engine? We've never had a Duramax. Which is it, the 6.6? Yeah, the 6.6. Still under sighting. As the one with the problems. Maybe that's the one they make. But the same company makes it, somebody, international puts it in their trucks and calls it international, and Chevy puts it in their trucks and calls it Duramax. Is there other trucks out there that? Not of that size. That should be done. I don't know if Ford makes one. I can do more research. I have no problem with that. The push was that we had a broken frame, I was going out of the truck. And then we looked into, we looked at the timing, it looked like it would work fine for the payments. So that made sense to, okay, let's look into a new truck. Thinking at that time, we were going to spend $13,000 to $16,000 to fix the frame, right? We're going to buy a frame for that truck. Then it looked more feasible to buy a new truck instead of buying a new truck. Great. No, I remember all that. I'm still supporting this. I'm also doing more research. But I mean, we've got to know that's what we're doing. I think we've been consistent in our support with replacing this truck out for you. And I think the specter of a broken frame is a very good reason. I just want to make sure that we do our due diligence and we spend $100,000 plus $120,000 on the truck. I don't want to get burned twice by the bad motor, I mean. Well, one of the issues with the international was that the extended warranty gave up 30 days before it blew up. Right. There's been more attention to the fact that we need to look at the data of the extended warranties and the cognizant. And that's all in the plan now. But then we found out afterwards about the class action lawsuit on that 2012 and all the problems with that engine. That was bad motor. So the one with the broken frame is a 550, but this new one that we're quoting is a little bit bigger. GVW is fairly bigger. It's 19.5 versus 22.5. And they make the step bigger. But then you're into a longer timeframe of waiting for the truck. John and Sharon, do you want to share something that you're looking at with us? Well, I'm just looking. They rate engines. You Google best diesel truck engines and they rank them. Yeah. And Cummins is second. Is Detroit first? There's one in here. I think it's a pickup truck motor. Are they definitely ranked? This is nine best. What I was pointing out is that the Duramax is on that list. Of nine best? Oh, it is. Yeah. Well, it's not clear that it's ranked. Yeah. It's not clear whether it's ranked or whether it's a list. They're rating those motors that many different vehicles have been mostly bigger trucks. Like Cummins, you're not going to put a Cummins motor in a Chevy truck. Right. It's just not going to fit. Right. Well, they used to have Cummins in Dodge. It was not in a small truck. No, in Dodge. I know a guy who tried. Do you do? Yeah. I fathered him up. Oh, no. So, I mean, the manufacturer you're talking about to go is about the manufacturer chooses for a motor to a certain degree. Right. So, do you want to look at forwards? Yeah. Is that what they have to offer? No. There's only so many brands that we have to choose from. I like the idea of buying it from a local dealer right here in, you know, in this area. Right. Clarkson's at Vander Hill. If you've got service issues, it's a bit too late. Right. Exactly. That's my point. And it's, you know, it's good for their business to keep them in business. All right. So, where are we, John? I'm just, I'm just saying, I think, I think just a little bit of look at to make me feel better. We did our best. Okay. Sorry. I think we're moving forward, in my opinion. But I just would like to know a little bit more about the drive train, that's all. So you want to make an amendment to the motion on the table? Yeah. And the motion reads. Katie? I'm sorry. Sorry. Denise Whaler made a motion, sorry about it a little bit in there, to approve a five-year lease purchase of this truck, Chevrolet or international, in an amount not to exceed $116,000 and take no less in trade than $18,000 on the 2015 F550 truck in Cliffham and Secondary. Instead of this truck or this, could it be A-truck? A-truck. A-truck. And then maybe a mid-duty or something. No, is it me and Judy? Instead of listing Chevy and international, can it be more broad than that? Because maybe Ford does? Mid-duty, what is it called? Mid-duty or what? I thought mid-duty. I don't really care which brand you buy. If you want to look at other brands? We don't care. We just want to make sure it doesn't get down. And it's 2019 or 2020? Minimize the risk. 2019. Do I need to make this as an amendment to the original motion? Or should I just change it? Just change it. Okay. And we want to change the motion to not say a specific brand. Correct. So purchase of a mid-duty truck in an amount not to exceed $116,000? A 2019 mid-duty truck. Well, you know, unless you find the price. I won't let you know. Anyways. We're all thinking this, guys. All right. Are you okay with that change? I'm okay with the changes. Is John's concerns addressed with that? Well, that's what I want to know. I'm distracted here. I think John's articulated his issue. And that's the main thing. Sorry, are you okay with this now? With this motion? The motion includes researching. No, that's all I'm asking. I'm asking that the motion be amended to require that there be some research done on the durability of the engine. To what end? Or the drive train. I'll say engine transmission. Or the truck that was purchased. To what end? Yeah.  Come back and tell us.  Before they purchase the truck? Or I don't understand. Oh, this purchase is going to happen between now and the next. That's what the motion is. Yeah. The motion is to approve the $116,000. Well, then I guess we'll rely on you guys to do that. Do diligence. Then it's going to be on you. Thank you. I'll take that. Okay. All right. So you're taking out the research? No, I'm expecting that they're going to perform that research and then make a judgment call. Right. But that's as part of the motion? Or just as a statement? As part of the motion. Okay. Okay. You got it, Katie? I think so. You want to reach back again, please? Sorry. Mm-hmm. I took out the... So the motion was amended by John Bravan. Do you put in the person's name who amended it? Mm-hmm. To include requiring the road commissioner and operations manager to perform their due diligence and research. Is that on the drivetrain? On the... Engine and drivetrain? Engine and drivetrain. Mm-hmm. Prior to purchasing the truck. And since John made the motion... I made the original motion, so I agreed to accept it from the amendment. And I will second the amendment. All right. Is everybody clear now? Is none? All right. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion approved. You're welcome. All right. Please let us know what you find out. Yeah. Yeah. If you get... We're... The next regular meeting is July 8th. July 22. We're in East Montpelier for various meetings. So we won't be here on July 22, just so you and Toby know. Okay. Budget update. Sandra gave you, Alfred, a budget update. I don't know if Toby has it. It's a little different than what you had sent because there's another invoice or something that's supposed to be coming in. Sandra came up with, after payroll, an amount of like 24, 24 or something or other. You said... No, I think that's... It's probably... Right. And then you've got one more invoice or something that's coming in. One more work order. One more work order. Okay. And which will be deducted from that remaining amount. And then whatever's left will go into the reserve fund. Reserve fund. Equipment fund. Right. So I just want to make sure we're all on the same page. Yep. Yep. Okay. Anything else on the budget you want to let us know about, Toby? Or Alfred? No. Just a... I run your budget. Very good. Sandpile is going to be done tomorrow. Wow. That will go on to next year's budget. Invoices. Invoices in total. A lot more. But we are sandpiling. Right. So... I know it's too bad. It's like... Beginning of July and we have to think about stuff for... So if your kids want to come in and make their haul for all the pile, that's much bigger. Stuff for the winter. Right. Is it bigger? It's a large pile. Don't see it. Is it bigger than what you usually get? I don't think it's much bigger because the yard's only so big. We still need to get between the sandpile and the salt check. Yeah. Yeah. So you can't do it much bigger. But it's all up to... That's a relief. Okay. So next let's talk about the sand... Is that... Did Sam join us? Are you Sam? No. No, it's Bill Davis. Oh, sorry. Bill Davis. Okay. So let's talk about the end of the field. I don't think I'm saying it right. End of the field. The east hill road. Right. You were going to talk to him by tonight? Yeah. And what was the result of your conversation? He's prepared to do whatever we required him to do. He said that after a while... I didn't actually have the chance to talk to him. He stopped there and talked to his wife. He was coming back, but I didn't make it back in time to catch him. But he left me a message at my house saying that he's prepared to do whatever we require. He doesn't want that glass latch because that gets expensive. He will basically tell a breed or whatever we love that we do. I suggested to her, I said, maybe you've got water up above. Because they own a lot of my 300 acres. They bought that farm up there? They bought the whole farm. Okay. So I said, maybe you've got water up above. You can just grab it and feed it down just for establishment spraying or something. So they're interested in looking into that. But they still want to move forward with the right of way. Okay. So what would the conditions be then? Well, I think they need to be at least four feet down. Okay. So we want to say the water line, dig and bury water line at least four feet. Yeah, they're going to do that. It's in their best interest. Otherwise it will be a bicycle. Yeah. Water line. So they should pour it up top. Water line to at least four feet. Sure. Sorry. At least two millilitres. Yeah. All right. Anything else? If they can't get four feet, they should case it in concrete, which is just put a thin layer of concrete all over the top of the plant. So if we're respirating up there, there we didn't concrete before we could find it.  OK, so unable to dig down four feet in case in concrete? I was usually right in there about compaction, which was a compact floor that has a backfill. Backfill and compact? Yeah. Do they need to contact you before they seal the job up? Yeah, that's part of the permit. I think that's written in the permit. Backfill and compact area upon completion. Does anybody have anything else? Board members? All right, would there be a motion to approve this with conditions? So would be. There was second? Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. All right, I'll fill in the top of this form, but I'll send this around for signature. And then I will scan and email it to that Mr. Enron Feld and Dr. Fridae Office and all that. I think it's Aaron Feld. I don't know, it's E-N. I don't think that's correct. Is there a right to say it on there? Oh, that's what he said. Oh, no, it's E-H on there. And with that one? It's Aaron Feld. He used to build in the school lunch, right? Still lives there. All right, we voted, right? I don't know if you've voted. You've got to say four years. All right, now on to that was the one you remember last meeting, we talked about the Chris Neff, and he wanted to do something different with his permit than what was originally approved. So we asked him to file an amended application, which he did, and they didn't explain what he was doing. So I contacted him to say this doesn't really, just as amended, doesn't say amended to what. So you'll see the email exchange that I had put in the folder about what it is he wants to do. So I'm going to, I'm proposing, since this amended application doesn't say it, that I would attach the email exchange, which talks about it, and he says what he's going to do to the amended approved permit, if we approve it. Is it clear? Yeah, that's my question, too. Yes, it was clear in the email after I asked him a couple of questions. He's going to, did you guys look at the email in the folder? I think I did, but I forgot what it says. After the initial request was submitted, the road commissioner recommended a 15 inch culvert to drain to the south. This would have required deep ditches to be dug. They talked about the land along the driveway that naturally drains, plus a culvert draining to the north along Max Gray was proposed. So it'd be less ditching on Max Gray Road. And he said, eventually, when I asked him who it was, who's property then would the culvert be placed on? And he got back to me and said it's Paul McAller and Jessica Garretson. And he's given us the address and their names in the email. I don't know if you can find any of them. I don't know. It's not in the notes here. I don't know. If we're going to approve this, so we have opportunity, again, for conditions. And so the conditions can set out the specifics that are in the email and you can attach the email. Right. Yeah, that's what I'm proposing. I just want to be clear on what it is he wanted to do differently because I remember it was different enough that we felt like he needed to file an amended application. We didn't charge him for it. Right. So I can put into the conditions what he has said. We're going to incorporate by reference that email conversation as part of his application. Well, I can put it in here plus I can attach the email. Yeah, I think it should be actually on this so that we're clear.  Yeah, we can do that. And then I also want to attach this because it's got to be writing from him what he wants to do. Right. That's different. But that becomes our condition. Right. Does everybody want to make a motion to that effect? I make a motion that we approve the amended curb application for Chris Neff on Max Gray Road to include the conditions outlined in the email correspondence that Denise has that will be listed on the actual permit. And a copy of the email will be attached. And a copy of the email will be attached. Anybody got any? Does everybody go with that? Is there a second? Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed, hearing none, I'll get this out this week. I know I talked to Alfred when we had that. What was that storm?  And you were running around. Before Alfred, I caught him while he came back to the garage to get more cones. He was running around last Thursday night, putting cones up here and there and everywhere. One of the projects, and one of the problems that we've had a couple of times on Peekin and George or Pack Hill there, that area by the old arms farm farm, that's something that's on the horizon to be fixed this summer, right? It's the only place in that fall. Because the culvert can't handle the love of it. All the roads were really great.   Yeah. So, any other big issues from the storms? Well, we, I sent a greater round today, patched up a bunch of the smaller washouts that we got. Mm-hmm. For a while again, the storms, trying to get to going on some of the projects. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I was on Foster Hill today and there's me. They got a lot of washout there. Well, how do you work very well? Our side. Well, both sides, actually. Foster Hill? Yeah, I don't know if it was our side or Woodbury's side. Fixed that much a bit on Friday. Oh, it was our side. I don't know if it was our side. It was over, right? Yeah. Well, the whole road needs to be fixed. That's the level that has not been rated. Yeah. Totally, so. Yeah. So, we didn't have, I mean, we'll report the damage so that the CDRCC has it for their collection of data in case there's FEMA for Washington County. Right. I think we would put out like 20 rows of material. All scattered out throughout the whole town. Mm-hmm. It was probably like two days worth of work. Right. It was as it could have been. That's right. It went much better. Oh, yeah. Well, and you guys worked, ended up working Friday. Working Friday. Great. How did Apple Hill hold up that job? Did it work well? It was like a summer day. Good. Really? The work that we've done over the last few years was all just weathered all of this last night. Oh, yeah. Like David Singleton, that used to wash out every storm. The steep slopes are where that happens. Yeah. We've been working on all those ditches and covered some, it's made a big difference. It's great. Making progress. It doesn't seem like it's on the hot spot. I know, I know. I'm sure it doesn't, but you just get everything done and then the big storm comes and you have to go back and do it. Yeah, I get it. And then it changes. Yeah. All right, George Road Grants. Yep, we were awarded the grant. Here's the document that you need to sign. All right, thank you. And this is for this season. Well, it's for 18 months. 18 months. Do you think you'll get to it this season? Well, we'll put it out to bid, and so we have to get a design. I'm waiting for the hydraulic study in order to decide what size it needs to be for design. We're going to do this aluminum squash color that you made. Yeah, so it all depends on what the size of the hole is and what needs to happen and the pricing and all that kind of stuff. We will hire Doug Newton to do the design and put out a big document and then we'll have put it out to bid. Well, the question is how soon we get that all done and still meet this season, which usually is the end of October, right? Mm-hmm. If not, we'll do it in the spring. And the match is inclined at 10%, just so Ward knows. Cool. Could you? Yep. All right, if somebody wants to make a motion to approve the George Road grant agreement. Shall we? C2032. Second. All right, all those in favor please say aye. Aye. Oh, and did we buy a new chainsaw? Authorize the chair to sign. Yes, we did. Power room. Except you. Oh, what? It's a re-backer for the world model. It's like a road with some paddle type. Is that what you used to clean the floor for them? Something to do with this? We want the turbo to use it. We want the future. Turbo. We can't clean up people's lawn with violence. It's for cleaning up intersection stones off the data. Was it handheld? It's like a re-backer. It's just about a parallel line where people flap. Don't tell my husband about this, OK? Tell him that one. It'll be in a minute. It's something that he might not want, but he would use it in 15 minutes. I don't know. I'll be OK in minutes. Deep in a minute. I'm not going to wait the minutes. Don't you tell him, John. He won't want it after using it for about 20 minutes. OK, here you go. It's a two-cycle. It won't start after three.  It's used. OK. A lot of it. Ten percent. Ten percent. Ten percent, any kind. All right. Can I ask a question? Sure. It's not on our list here, but I just signed the orders. And it made me, we paid for the, what was it called? The hydro-seed? Hydro-seed? Hydro-seed? And I just wondered, maybe wonder the results of the conversation with the conservation committee and the whole clover issue.  Well, Stephanie had sent me an email. I contacted Alford to get back in touch with Stephanie, because that's what he promised to do. Right. I just want to make sure I got all the data and the story. Yeah. So they said they don't care. But she said, but you were supposed to get back here about something, right? The last email I said, whether we can use a mulch without dye. Right. And I've not found any yet. OK. Just make sure you let her know that you're still checking on it, communications. So they don't want food color dye either? They didn't really say. They don't want food color at all. Because she doesn't see the benefit of having a mulch dye. You can see what you mulch, but we don't see what we've done. You're more patient than applying it. Right. That's one of the reasons. I think if you can show them that it's a food grade coloring, I think. Right. I think over that hurdle. I think she's finding that. During the conversation about the dye, she was concerned, was wondering if there was a way to alleviate the dye completely. But I hope so far I've not found anything that does. Well, John's explanation makes sense, too. He wants to see where you're applying it. All right. That makes sense. I mean, I can follow up with Stephanie. Because she sent us the email. It's a gratification, because it looks like you put grass in it. Right. It's good. Oh, yeah. It's instant gratification. It's real. I can follow up. I'll find her. He thought pink would be a good color. Yeah, there you go. Not pretending to be grass. I'll follow up with Stephanie. She had an email. We exchanged with you and I. Just so we're completing the communication loop. And I want to know what the other thing was. It came up a couple of meetings ago, the guardrail. Up here, did you say you had to order? And you guys were going to install it? It did. Since I didn't go get it, I haven't tried to make sure yet. Oh, really? That's where the company was from. It's literally all it seems. Thank you. It's only five minutes from here. Oh. So I'm just going to go get it. And then I'll just keep an eye on it. No, I just want to complete the communication loop. That's all. So on my agenda, I'm going to make it happen before it's on fly. I guarantee you that. Or we'll talk about the key. No, it's a guardrail. I just like to keep the communication loop so that we know what's going on. So if we get questions, we can say Alfred's on it.  I know. Could you make it happen? Stop the agenda. Do a non-rain dance. How about that? I'll try anything. OK. All right. Removal. Toby said a couple of things. One of them was a discussion about the beaver dam on Catton Hill Road. Watch your language. I know. Sorry. So it looks like the beavers have totally abandoned that dam. Since it's sitting there, just for the start of the stream, my thought and Alfred's thought is that we should remove it since it's not being used and it's not active and it has three big slashes in it that have eroded away and it's not doing anything. So they're not inhabiting on the stream of that anymore? They may be, but the dam is not doing anything for them. OK. I think we should. As far as I know. All right. I think I was hoping maybe this was going to be the case, that it's not active. But I think we should still, before you do anything, Tyler Brown recommended that he come out and take a look. I was bringing it to you to start the discussion and whatever you guys decide we need to do, I just think that an obstruction is in the waterway next to the road and if it's not active and there's no reason for it to be there, then we should think about removing it. And we'll follow whatever you see here. I'm just curious what happened last Thursday after all that was flooding rains, did the road get topped or did the dam get blown out more? I don't know, the dam I had a warmth away some, I have no idea. But it's been deteriorating. We had that really high water, and I mean, one stabbed it all up a little bit. It never came back, and there's two others that have opened on their own. So they're not maintaining it. So they're not doing anything for the dam. That's from what I think. So I think we should follow Tyler's recommendation in his email that said contact him, the river management, and when you tell him all this, he may say you don't have to contact the river management people or the wetlands people, but I think we should follow the guidance from him. That's why I sent you this letter, is that you suggest the procedure if it's to be removed. And we would follow the procedure on this. Just leave your approval to move forward. This is why I came to the meeting. I only happened to see this on the agenda that was posted on the Port's Forum. So I said, I understand that at times a beaver dam has to go. And I would rather see it stay. But I'm trying to look at it from your standpoint also. I really am. Can I say one thing on this? From the snow and go-close perspective, I'm not going to talk for Sherry Fish. But that dam is flooding her property. It's raised the water level in that whole area, both sides of the road. Where's Sherry Fish? Where's your first house? First house on the right, going around the corner. But Bob Finch's place, Blue Bay. Oh. Russian New York's. So because that dam is the other side of the coal road, it's raised the whole level on both sides of the road. It's causing flooding on her property. Is it only primarily this year, or has it been past years since the dam has been there? Well, the dam was moved two years ago. And the baffle seems to be still higher than it was. The land is still flat right there. Just an inch goes way back. It's why we consult with all the landowners. Right. So when Tyler comes out, he should be made aware of that issue, so he can look at it and see if it's a, you know. So I'll contact Tyler and get a site visit and let everybody know what it is. Right, and we need to contact all the landowners and the, and we had quite a few people there when he came before. And now we have a new person we should add, Sherry Fish, to the discussion. Is that satisfied everybody's concern? All right. Anything else? All right. No, no, thank you very much. OK. There was some concern at the meeting last time from Alford about not being able to grade the road where the NoMo charitable project is taking place. So we asked you to give us an update tonight about the condition of the road. They're fine. OK. I said I'd stop grading those four roads until it's done for us and stuff out. Yeah, well, I just wanted to satisfy your concern. I'm just not going to grade weeds in the road. It's going to ball up through the gravel. It's going to make an awful mess. And it's not, I just, it doesn't make sense to do that. OK. And I just wanted to ask you a question. Are you talking about the weeds that he pulls and throws into the road? Yeah, yeah. Ah, OK. Yeah, I wonder. I thought you were talking about the roads. The major I have eventually, those four roads will just have to wait until we don't get a lot of rain. And the time that he's doing this pulling. Yeah. We don't want to grade the rain. Right. Yeah, you don't want to grade the rain because I'm trying to survive. I said, do you know anything? What? We have nothing to do with it. He said, you hope you don't get a lot of rain. But I'm just voting because rain throws dowels. These I have to grade more. Oh, I see. That happens. No, we don't want to go there and grade more. Yeah, we talked about charitable enough last meeting. Yeah. All right. I said we would follow up with you tonight. We're going to play for a little bit. Oh, there you go. But I don't want to get down in the weeds again. All right, moving on. Anything else? I still think a lot of our concerns can be resolved if we have our own equipment or roadsides, including the trees south of my house. They're creeping out across the road. And so what's happening? So Eddie's going in, cutting into my field to go around the trees, rather than limbing the trees. And so I'm just saying, there's good reason to have that mower where we can put it up and mow those lengths. John, if you want to talk about this, I can put it on an agenda. Excellent point. I just got an email advertising one of those flail lowers on a tractor. $3,000 a week. Some of that spot that you mentioned by your house, that's a perfect candidate for that type of machine. So you mean we could rent one? We could rent one for a week. It's $3,000. So why don't you do that? Do we delegate one guy to the operated? There, and that addresses it. Right, John? Well, you've got to ask the property owners in advance. I want it cut. I don't want them grating. All right, so talking with John, tell me what this thing is called. And I'll put it on the next agenda for discussion. It's a flail mower. It's an articulating arm flail mower. And it can be rented for $3,000 a week. So let's put it on for discussion next agenda. Instead of trying to do that tonight when it's already 9 o'clock. Yeah, I thought I wasn't going to mention it. Well, see, now you did, but now you've got to drive it. Are you going to let John drive it? I don't want to drive it. It's noisy. OK, are we ready? Town Clerk has nothing to update except vote tomorrow. Vote tomorrow? I voted today. Vote for me, I'll set you free. I voted today. Let's try. Town Hall Renovation Committee, the notes from the last meeting are in the Google folder. We're meeting this Thursday at the Town Hall. If anybody wants to join us and see what's going on at the Town Hall at 8 o'clock, I've done it, Rose. I've been doing it.  I know, I know. At 46, there's really no update, right, John? That's something you're voting on, something that's related to that. Right. Budget. Budget and Articles of Agreement. Right. CVRPC, the awarding of note. No? OK. We already did the cotton. Give me a slightly contract. So let's talk about a few weeks ago, David Ellen Bogan contacted me about, and I think maybe totally, too. There was an accident at the intersection of North Calis Roe, right up here, and Kent Hill, and a FedEx truck hit a guy on a bike. That wasn't hurt. The bicycle. Yeah. The guy wasn't hurt, but the bicycle sustained a lot of damage. And David Ellen Bogan, you'll remember, is at a rep to the TAC, the CVRPC TAC. So I wanted to address this concern. Bill Davis contacted me that he doesn't think it needs a stop sign. David's requesting a stop sign. Just in my own personal experience, because I come to the town office quite a lot, is at least three maybe more times have, and I don't drive fast on the back road, come down around that curve, get almost to that intersection there, and somebody inevitably is not paying attention. They're driving really fast, and they will pull out without even looking to see if somebody's coming. So what are we doing? FedEx truck was coming out, Kent Hill, and ran it from the bicycle. I guess that's the case. So it did raise my level of awareness after I heard about that, that it's happened to me quite frequently on that same intersection. So what is the big deal? Why don't we just put in a stop sign? Bill had a concern with a stop sign. What's only Bill? What are we going to stop sign? It's been this way for us. Sit over here so we can see you. Yeah, come sit over here. Come sit over here. Zoom in on him. It's been this way for 100 years. Why don't we just stop sign? Is it the fact you'll yield anyway? Is it the T intersection? But people don't sign. Because people don't yield signs on it. You've got to be yield sign. That's a stop. And what's the matter with the stop sign? You'll need stop sign. Well, stop is also a stop. The point I made last time was a stop in that location is also a de facto yield sign. I mean, people are going to, it's a reminder to stop, and they're going to do what they're going to do. Well, and if you have a stop sign and people don't respect that, and then there is an accident, you have something to fall back on a yield sign. But a yield sign means you must stop if there's a car coming into that intersection. It's the same as a stop sign. You don't think a stop sign stands out more than a yield sign? I think the law is clear that it sets why it's got a red triangle on the side of the yellow. It means you must stop if that intersection is not clear. That's your job. You have to evaluate that. I don't care. I do agree there needs to be something there. But I think we should put a sign up. I think we need a sign. But in order to put a sign up, we have to. And I know 200 years ago, there weren't cars doing that. Right. Even up under years ago. Those horses, though. Fast horses. So anyways, I just wanted to put that item on the agenda because there was a couple of different varying opinions. And I mean, you've got to try to make it as safe as we can. Well, we've got to do something. I think we should do something. And it's a, I mean, Kent Hill Road comes to a clear T. It's not a Y. It's a definite one. Singleton and Fowler. It's a clear T. So to me, I guess I just don't understand not stopping. I don't understand coming to a T and not stopping. You've got a good sight distance. You want to stop somewhere you don't want to see. But you have a good sight distance. I can even call on you. I think that people aren't paying attention. They're just flying down the hill. Because that's what's happened to me. At least three times that they don't, they don't, they don't even slow down. They just shoot left or turn right. I make the motion that we put a stop sign at the intersection of Kent Hill Road and Peking Road Road. There's not going to be. Where do people want to see a yield sign? If you try a yield sign, it doesn't work. It's just not a good thing. Nobody's seconded, so. All right, so you want to make one that says, somebody else can make a yield. Somebody else can make a yield. I'll do is that we need to pass an ordinance. We need to update our ordinance to include and we warn an update to the ordinance that would add a stop sign. I'm going to yield sign to that intersection of Kent Road and Peking Road Road. Isn't this what we did? Oh, no, because we warned it as a stop. We discussed it. No, the way an ordinance works is that we can, on our own, amend the ordinance. When you amend an ordinance, it's the same process as when you create an ordinance, and you have to. And to me, it's always seen backwards. The board approves the revised ordinance. Then the public has 45 days to file a petition to not approve of the amended ordinance or the ordinance. We already had the conversation on this agenda. So the traffic ordinance that Katie worked on needs to be reviewed by Toby and Alford, because some of it says town highway. I'm not confused between town highway and the state aid, because they have the same number five. And so someone had edited it before me, and I'm just not sure that they're right in places. So that's something y'all would look at it. Because if you guys could look at it, then we could do put this on our next agenda to approve the updated revised ordinance. And we just need to add the stop or the yield sign at the intersection of Kent Hill and number, is that number 10 road right there? It's North Gallus Road. North Gallus Road. North Gallus Road. Right. I'm on the wrong road. We have to do the, we need a motion. We didn't second that. We don't have to. We don't have to have a. What are we gonna change your ordinance? We are, but the ordinance change won't happen until just trying to think it through. Maybe we should do the motion if that can't hurt. Okay. We did a motion. Yeah. Did somebody second it? Second. All right, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Yeah, I'm not sure we really need it to do that. Because we're gonna, we can update the ordinance and then pass it and then we'll see. So it means you didn't really have to do a motion, but it's fine. Motion of the ordinance and then. Right, then it's done and we already agreed to it. Wow. And we'll discuss changes. Right, we'll discuss changes. Yeah. So Katie, can you get that to Alfred and to Ray? Sure. One of you can have time to review it between now and then. Change the date on it. July 8th. Okay. 8th. Okay. Just to be clear, the motion was for heels. Right. Right. Which means you need to stop if someone's coming the other way. Remember? Yeah. Right. The Ken Hill road. And that was bicycles. Great. I'm gonna have to. Don't want to go on this one. I'm gonna have to. Yeah. I'm just gonna vote it.  No, I'm here. Okay. Just body language. Okay. Well, we're getting there. It's only 10 after nine. If you remember last year, well, before we go on to that, anything else, Tobi or Alfred or Bill? The highways are done. The highways are done? Good. All right. Alfred, did you have anything else? Thank you. Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you. This is a good Ricky Skag's album. It's called Highways and Parks. That's, that's, that's your name. I'll have to burn your copy. Do they have CD? They can make them. That's right. In our trucks? I think so. I remember last year we nominated Jamie Morby to go to a conference. They sent around a notice again. It's in the folder. She wanna go. Vermont Community Leadership Summit. She went last year. She said it was good. She's glad she went. This came through to me and to the office staff. And we thought about Jennifer Whitman on the Cemetery Commission. Oh, you can switch. Well, Jamie went last year, so. It's like the same things, like, it's like emerging leaders kind of things. Yeah, it's, it's, this is the second annual. This is great. So I would like to nominate Jennifer Whitman to attend the second annual Vermont Community Leadership Summit. Annual, second annual. I, I support a second annual. Make sure you get that spelling right. All right, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed hearing none. Assuming you contacted her. Yeah, I asked her because I don't wanna nominate her and then she's not available and then we miss out on the free, so we can go for free. Okay, I guess we got through everything. We got through a lot. All right, popular cemetery. You saw the email I sent out about trying to coordinate schedules and whatnot. So July 22nd, popular cemetery closing at the East Montpelier Town Office. I talked to Bruce Johnson who said he would find us a place to meet. So I'm thinking maybe, I don't think it's gonna take very long, maybe a quarter of seven or six thirty to be safe at the, I didn't know at times yet, at six thirty p.m. Andy Christensen is supposed to catch up and coordinate with Jim Barlow so Jim can talk to him before the closing. Andy and some of the others are coming to the cemetery commissioners meeting on Thursday night this week to show them all of the stuff that they have electronically. And Jim's all set to meet with Andy, go over documents, so that Monday night, the 22nd, we just need Andy for the closing. We don't need the cemetery commissioners to be there unless they wanna be, it's an open meeting so they'll be there if they want. And then, so I'm gonna tell Jim and Andy six thirty, the 22nd for popular, and then we meet with the East Montpelier Select Board at seven p.m. and that's to continue our discussion from that executive session we had, you remember, a month or more ago, and we agreed that to meet on the 22nd. And this will be also executive session. I would assume so, yes. And that way Jim can stay for the portion of that meeting with the East Montpelier Select Board to see what else they have to say after our last go around about this. That make sense? Yep. I've been in contact with Sam Hill, our sheriff, to find out about getting him to come to one of our meetings. I'm waiting to see if he's available on the 8th. He may or may not be. He's available on the 22nd, but I don't think it's gonna work. It's gonna be awkward to have any of our meetings continued to another location in the East Montpelier or our office, I think. So we might have to put it off until August, but I was asked to see if we could get him on the agenda, so that's what I'm doing. The office phone system? Disaster. It's too bad because it's a nice phone system that was purchased. How did that get purchased?  Right, because Cliff did a lot, a lot of research on this. We bought this, and said he'd been laying around. No, we bought it now. Cliff did a lot of, we all knew about it. Right. Cliff did a lot of research on this. I'm thinking that there's an email. It's a digital solution. Email's in the folder. It's some of the email. Who is that guy? He was brought here. Rowey. He was on a show called Raw Hyde. He was named? This guy was named after a cold, Western character named Rowey. Clint Swift's character on Raw Hyde was named after Rowey. Really? Yeah. Rowey Yates. Who would've knew? Who would've knew? Until he was named after that. My real name is Buckeye. I just know his name. You have to grab a repack. Nothing, just that. Okay, so anyway, you go ahead. Oh, sorry. The diagrams. So yeah, I touched base with Judy this morning to kind of give a status update. So yeah, he's a guy who makes a living doing phone systems and whatnot, and he sells phone systems, and he's willing to consider buying this from us and selling us one of the phone systems he sells. There is some additional work that Consolidated needs to do before we can fully tie in the four lines coming into this building, into the phone system. So this guy basically hasn't done anything other than make that analysis. And now we've got a work order request in with Consolidated to get them to come and do the pairing on the lines of whatever it is they need to do so that all four lines can come in. But I still think that there is that analog solution is ultimately where we want to go. And we may have to settle for a partial solution up until the time we remodel, look at the possibility of remodeling this building and reorganizing. What is skipping all the technology? What is the problem? The basic issue is if they're on the main line talking, the phones won't roll over to the second line so people can leave a message and it won't roll over to the voicemail so people can leave a message. So what happens? It rings or it rings? It rings and people get a weird message saying, yeah, no one can take your call right now, you know. That's it. Or sometimes it just rings and doesn't ring. And other times they can just ring and not give them any announcement at all. Because that's happened to us. Oh, this is the current situation. Yes. But I believe after doing additional research, there is a phone tree system that has to be initiated on the system or to do what they want it to do. Like it's validated? No. No, it's internal. We can do it. And that was my plan was to come down here and test that on Memorial Day. We can make sure we have other plans. So gravity got in my way. So is the system that you helped us by installed? Yes. Oh, okay. It's just a matter of enabling the machine. Get a functionality. So it's not completely, it's not configured as well, right? They're just, they're very anxious to get the phone system up and running. They know Cliff got hurt and that he's been pressed for time. So they were trying to avoid yet another project for Cliff. So as fate would have it, I am off on July 5th, as well as July 4th. And that will provide me another opportunity of assuming the healing is going to continue. I was gonna say, how are you gonna do that? I've got two phones here, love. I'm thinking not. Oh, okay. That's what I would be concerned. And if it comes to groping more wire, I don't know that I'd be physically capable yet of doing that, but call me. Right, we can all do manual labor if you bring the brains. The first line of defense is the programming of the phone, and that I'm capable of doing.  If that doesn't yield results, then the next phase is crawling around and actually what it means is going up into the attic. I didn't know we had an attic. How did you get to the attic? From the back. You have to open it from the outside, climb up on. Climb a ladder. Climb a ladder. Climb a ladder. Climb a ladder. Climb a ladder. Which I'm only to do, actually. Oh, no, no, no. But I'm gonna wait till you heal. Right, exactly. I can get up on a ladder. So I was gonna look into the possibility to mean this. Meanwhile, Rowdy can't do anything and if it's all the data, it does whatever they're gonna do and they haven't even got back to our work order request yet. Yeah, so I think there's, and actually this is the Thursday that we do a town hall meeting and a staff meeting. And Andy, to lead into this part of the conversation, where is it going? Contacting me. He's been trying to get quotes for somebody. There. Got that on tape, did you? No, I thought you missed it. So, for somebody to do the roof repair that we've had going on for the last couple of years. And I guess there is now possibly a bigger issue that folks don't wanna bid on this project because they're afraid when they get underneath, it's gonna be a bigger project than what they bargained for. So Andy wants to talk to us about it. He would do it. Who? Andy, right? I don't know. We can ask him on Thursday. So I think the concern is that, we might go above that $5,000. Did you get it? I don't think so. One mosquito. I got it. I hope you got it. I don't think so. No, I don't, she didn't get it. No, it came this way, Jerome. Like, but she got it out. He means he recorded. Really? Really good. So anyway, we can ask Andy some more questions. I did? You can scan on that right, just like for a minute. Your hand slapped him. Oh no, it slapped him all the way. Almost your nose. Slap him. You see it? No, dead body. No, it's roasted. No, no. I have a lung. No. Oh, it's a dead mosquito. It's protein. My chickens love that kind of stuff. So we'll find out some more information from Andy on Thursday. I invited him to come to the staff meeting to let everybody know that this sounds like it's going to be a bigger issue. So we might have to go out to a formal bid to get it fixed if it's going to be more than the $5,000. Well, we don't know. Right, so I guess we can't bid something. You don't know what's underneath. Well, I guess Andy or somebody needs to decide. Someone go in there and start the job. Well, maybe part of the bid is that they go and look at the job. Yeah, but you don't want a bid. It could only be $3,000. We don't know what's in there. Right, that's part of the problem. That's why people aren't giving us quotes on how much it's going to cost to do the job, because they don't want to say $4,000 and they get in there. I think we hire our staff to do it, if they want to do it. That was Andy. Yeah, that's what we had, but Alfred do. So we can talk more to Andy about him doing the work. We'll catch up with him on, I'm hoping he's coming on Thursday. And then the other good news is that I met with Nick Emlin on last Monday. We got the, it's no longer L-E-O-P, it's L-E-M-P, local emergency management plan. Got that all done. We're gonna look at that. We got it all done. It's all filed with CBRPC. Nick's gonna send it to Judy to put on the website. The old one, they're all good. Good, excellent. Now we have some minutes. Apparently we never signed minutes from town meeting. Kated, we have, you approved them. We approved them, we just didn't sign them. That's right, and I guess Judy keeps them with the actual signatures somewhere. Right, so we approved them on the 26th of March, but we didn't, it wasn't 18K, it wasn't, we put them on the 19th, 2019. Are those right minutes? Yeah. So I make an error at the end. March 6th, 2018, didn't it, wasn't it, 2019? Yeah, are those the right minutes? Town meeting was the fifth. So maybe those are left. And then we met on Monday the 11th. So that's the wrong, that's the last one. We did sign on the first time, we signed on the second, the one after. Yeah, I know. Second. March. I think these only have one. Last year, 2018, March 6th. That's it. Yeah, so those are last years. So we approved them on March, do you think that she wanted last years? Maybe last year, no, she said this year. That's what I thought too. So do we have them that we can print off? I can't print from this computer, it doesn't. They tried to fix it, and it was here for a long time. Can we email it to Cliff, can you print it from here, Cliff? They're not paired with it, same issue. Yeah, it's not easy. They worked on it for maybe an hour and a half. RB Tackle with the phone. Well, that'll be a question from one of our, do you want that one done? Yeah, let's do it next time. Right, we can do it next time, we just say we got the wrong ones. We got the town meeting. Right. I can't believe RB Tackle. Are we at all other business yet? No, we had to approve the minutes. Minutes from June 10 and 13. And I think Sharon and I made a couple comments. Yeah, how many Christians and people were there? Wasn't there a couple? Laila, yeah, yeah. Our husband. Was that Andy and Laila? Christensen, is that what you're saying? Andy Christensen was sitting here. There was an older couple who came together, who sat over here, I think we're both Christians and one was Laila. Oh, okay, is that wrong? No, if you have the signup sheet. Well, at first you put Stanley, is that his name? They did not sign up. They didn't sign up, but I thought folks said their names as they went around those two. I asked them before they left. Judy would know. So, Stanley's, Peter and Andy's. Oh, wait, is there another brother? They were maybe in their sevens. So, I guess we need to fix the names. Eighties. Okay, I'll ask. Yeah, ask Judy. I'll shoot you tomorrow. They live on Fowler Road. Okay, thanks. Oh, that's Peter. Peter and Laila? That's on Fowler. Laila, L-I-L-A. Peter and Laila? Peter and Laila? Peter, Christensen and Laila, Fowler. Okay. Oh, Peter, Christensen, Laila, Fowler. Fowler. It's one L, L-I-L-A. Like they're not married? Are they a couple? I think they're married, in fact, I know them. But I don't know if she took his name, I don't know. I know them not. Okay, it's Judy. So, she'll figure it out. Judy would know all that. Right, so we'll figure it out. Also, Christensen, they're spelled differently. So, Andy, Andy, yeah, so, while you're at it, you probably all spelled their name the same way. Make sure we got their names spelled correctly. All right, so, scroll down. Good Norwegian name. My uncle, Goner Christensen. He explained that the process would look like the town was acquiring a business. Okay. And I took out the one dollar. The dollar doesn't actually change hands. There's no, there's no. Well, that's what I wondered, because I know he said that. But I couldn't figure out how we would do that. I'd pull a dollar in my pocket. He'd always say that, for one dollar, and no, no, because, yeah. So, just say nothing ever, really, she would just say, okay. Based on that dollar. Okay, go ahead. Now, I remember that the popular little folks were going to have to pay the insurance for an invite July 1, so that's on them. We couldn't finish that. Erosion failure. So if it's town, it will be town-owned? Yeah. So there's no, we won't have to pay the penalty on property tax for non-profit. No, Jim said that we're gonna have to go through the whole property transfer tax. No, no, but you know how we await non-profits obligation to be a profit. Maybe cemeteries are exempt. That's different. Yeah, that's different. If this is a town-owned cemetery, they don't pay taxes. No, I know, but that wasn't town-owned. It was private non-profits. I don't know. But maybe cemeteries were always exempt. I don't know. I don't remember weaving theirs. I don't either. I don't know. Okay. That's one, that's the... Wait a minute, there was a change that, you know, normal in Calis has so far used, it shouldn't have stationed on, should it have been... Only, I see, I see, yeah. Oh, thank you. Yeah. Anything else? I got something for the business. Yeah. Anyone want to make a motion to approve the minutes of June 10th? With a subgroup, subgroup... I'll second it. Do you need to add the calendar to verify names? I'll look that up as editing. Yeah. Okay. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed, hearing none. Motion carries, and now we just have the minutes from the June 13th. I'll get you, I'm gonna get you that open meeting lot. Oh, yeah, that's perfect. I'll take it over to the website. There's pretty much a little updates. Did you notice the time cards paid this... Mm-hmm, I saw that. The road crew till 6.30? Yeah, they were there till 6.30. I checked it to see if they... All right, does somebody want to make a motion to approve the minutes of June 13th? So moved. Second. All right, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed, hearing none. I wasn't at that one, all right? No. Yeah, so I don't understand. Okay. All right. Oh, that was the point. Yeah, that was the part of it. Yeah, that's right. So, did you detail who ate what in the minutes? No. No, because we didn't want you to be sorry. I'm really sorry. I'm already starting to salivate thinking. Yeah, no, next year. Where did all the leftovers go? They stayed there? No, we divided it up on the server, but it was left. Sorry guys. What do you bottles you got going? What's in here? Tea. Oh, yeah, I wonder if she's slipping. Oh, are we sure? Slippin' booze in here. Yeah. I don't know. Let's see if she wobbles out of her seat. All right, all right, do we have anything else we would like to go into old business, new business, executive session? I just, there was an email sent to Denise and I from Stephanie Kaplan. She did some digging. She's the chair of the Conservation Commission. Great. And she did some rooting around back in 10 records in terms of the first authorization of the conservation fund. So I want to read it to you then and I forward it to the balance and select board. She says, I finally figured out what actually, what was actually authorized, you don't have to put this in place. And I sent it to you, Katie. When the town voted to create the Conservation Commission and also to establish a reserve fund to use to purchase property or interest in property for the purpose of conserving important lands. According to the language of the articles from the 1989 town meeting that Judy sent a few months ago, those were two entirely separate actions. My conclusions from delving into this and reading the statutes that were cited in the articles that were voted on is that while the Conservation Commission has the authority to do educational outreach, inventories, et cetera, it can't use money from the conservation fund or anything other than purchasing property or interest in property because that was the stated purpose that the town voters authorized. However, the voters can authorize the fund to be used for other purposes at the next town meeting. Right. Whoever wrote the conservation fund guidelines apparently never read the statutes. I'll be explaining all this to the Conservation Commission meeting tomorrow night if there's time. At some point, we need to talk about it. So just wanted to get that on your radar. And you know, we have been authorizing use of the fund for outreach, education outreach. We had like dated it to the end of the year. Well, we thought we were acting appropriately because according to the guidelines. We followed the guidelines and an attorney did that review. Right, no longer lives in town. So you can't own the Bible or anything? No. So I've already, I sent that email. I sent it to Judy and asked her to put it in the file for town meeting for, should we, between her and I in the office at which you kind of know about things we want to do for next town meeting so that we remember to put that on the morning. Yeah, I just wanted to get that out there. Yeah. OK, would anybody like to make a motion to adjourn? Yeah, I'll do that. You sure? You don't want to stay longer? I knew that we adjourned this slideboard meeting until the next time. Which is July. I can't talk. July, eh? All right, all those who say aye. Aye.