inder I don't know if well, they sell will they sell Reese's in kendo in the uk as well, but we don't i'm pretty sure I've never seen her. She's In the uk at least I have but it might be in like American themed stores But the Kit Kat one looks different as I now I'm so curious as to what why is it that apparently Australians are more receptive to our version of the Kit Kat like logo Segments of the company that made their own I was gonna say this is what the British one looks like Are we comparing the packaging of Kit Kat?  Can't believe it terrible terrible Oh, that was a good video. That was fun.  I don't know man I hate the way he reduces us to like Not as content creators and someone who you know makes content that they're proud of or puts a lot of effort into it You know or tries to be creative artistic whatever And reduces that to oh, we're just spreading negative negativity and we're just here to make everyone depressed like that Only here because a machine tells us to do things, you know I mean He said not take it to not take it personally, but it's pretty personal to me I mean I put a lot of effort into what I do I don't want to be yeah, you treat just like we're all just flesh puppets out of like an assembly line for content that we're not like artists When it's like stop projecting, bro I'm just thinking about how negativity bias is like aries and wonder woman, right? Like he's just whispering into people's ears make negative videos Do it and then you know wonder woman says I believe in love, but you know, I guess that's like the opposite, right?   He has and he's like no No, too late. You've been puppeted Them and I just think These are just youtube thumbnails Like these look like a lot of my thumbnails It's it's all the same. It's a grocery store checkout line.  Why are you doing this? I think he hasn't seen it Well, he claims to have just watched it being like yeah kill disney I guess it's it's more lame that like he doesn't that because he I'm sure that he did see it But it's almost like he saw it and he came away with like a very different valuation of that It's almost like he couldn't tell the difference between that yms, you know review versus I don't know just a review that is just like cynically shitting on something There should be 20 things we kept in mind that he contextualized all of the new film reviewers Including but not limited to I hate everything yms even Lindsay Alice as like derivative of Plinkett But without the sincerity and the humor Like that's one of the like most insulting parts of the video for those creators. I've been like damn dude Well, now he's just going hard on like everybody Well now he's saying the solar stuff that we're all being tricked into watching.    I don't think he's toxic positivity Yeah, don't you know don't ask questions just consume products. Well, it's just this is fine It's the this is fine fellow sitting in a you know, it's like what's not very productive. Is it that thought experiment? Reveals that it has nothing to do with negative or positive Nothing to do with it.  We're just like man.  I would defend it. All right If if they have a front cover that says you'll never believe what baraco barba said about pac-man. I'd be like, okay Okay What did he say the only thing the only thing I'm thinking is uh, can I find and read this article before the two people ahead of me Get their grocery scanned in Yeah, like I need to know you google it on the phone You're like, oh, he said that it was one of his favorite games of all time But then he'd never played again because it's too addictive. You're like, I guess what I'm finding interesting here Is like this isn't negativity. It's clickbait, right? Like it's it's clickbait Yes, that's what you would be talking about with supermarket tabloids is like the most eye catching attention grabbing Not necessarily incendiary, but you know often incendiary it's so but that's a different discussion I would say to like negativity bias. Yeah I feel like this video is secretly about clickbait, but he doesn't realize it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, you know what? I think I don't think he knows what this video is about because I mean look at the title and look at what he's not Talked about the what's pretty good. Why is there a why? Yeah, that's a Who knows? That's true. That's true Yeah Kit Kat bar hell. Yeah, wait Brad Pitt said what I gotta read that and I suppose by deductive logic that just makes me a tabloid journalist No Oh, are you saying that that's a youtube make a youtube yeah as a youtube Um, I'm really really sorry that you view producing youtube content in that way Maybe this isn't the job for you because you seem to be miserable and cynical about it And it's your own work. So I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You feel that way. Um, It's I guess it's a damn shame Don't you don't have to you don't have to play into these quote unquote schemes to generate engagement If you don't want to if it really weighs on you like this You could do what you want that makes you happy you could produce the There are definitely youtubers who would count as tabloid journalists because that's the kind of content that they make But what this guy makes doesn't count like what we would all make I guess and what the people he's talking about That it doesn't count.  Um We still haven't really gotten to the title of the video. Yeah, I assume we will I hope the most the most ironic thing The most ironic thing about this video is that it's more negative than any film criticism I've seen lately Like I it's so negative. It's making me depressed. Yeah, it is actually. You're right. This is a very negative video Someone to consider someone up to doom and gloom about Someone to consider about negative criticism is that whenever and this doesn't always work this way But you kind of expect it to someone says like this thing happened in the film whole tv show whatever and that's bad Because and then they give a reason for example It's incongruent with this other thing the implication then it's like so if it were congruent it would be good right like the Inherent in a in a negativity is is like a equal and opposite presumably and so that person has this scale and the You know anything that qualifies for that would then be positive. They send everything out. It's not just like I'm almost picturing that he thinks of it as just you just you are that monkey with the bone hitting stuff There's no Rhyme or reason or or scale or intention or goal. There's just nothing. It's just all We're just we're just swinging around our bats at stuff Because that because we've just become so reduced down into negativity wins. She's like, I don't I don't think this is even remotely close. What videos you watching? If all your video if you if you look at candy bars and you think like oh youtube content and it's I don't know it Watch different videos maybe or How do you trap yourself in this kind of a rut? How do you get in this ditch? Of like youtube videos are just it's just fast food. It's just candy. You know, it doesn't it's not a like a proper meal It's not substantive And at that point you might need to just I wouldn't mind in doing this explore What you find meaningful about videos and not because that might be more the actual thing If he if he really hates cinemas in to be really likes Maybe yms for example, it's like why most of the difference they're both negative So what's happening? Is it because one of them makes better points more insightful points better editing? Who knows? Maybe one maybe you need to ask yourself. Why am I a youtuber that too? anyway, um We're gonna be done talking about this now And you're probably thinking I spent all this time talking about youtubers and the platform Algorithm, but what about the movies we're shitting on aren't they really to blame? You know aren't movies just getting worse. I will say that the theme for animal crossing wild worlds is stellar I always love the theme for wild worlds. I would just open that game up and just let it play on my ds um, it was oh So surprised you went just Overthrown by the fact that he's finally introduced the idea that films are pretty bad right now Or a lot of that. I was too busy thinking about the animal crossing wild worlds theme I'm just I'm just glad that it's getting a mention that films have been I didn't honestly think it would Yeah, he would tackle this He thought about it ahead of time. He's like wait people will just say films are really bad though But what has he got for it aren't they really to blame? You know aren't movies just getting worse and worse isn't cinema dying maybe well Over the course of the past few years you've probably heard prolific filmmakers like Steven Spielberg Or quentin tarantino or martin scorsese. I'm martin scorsese.  But if for anybody who doesn't know that was basically theaters were told do not allow hateful hate to take up spaces for disney films Or we all refuse to allow you to show the disney film whatsoever Yeah, they do that regularly Tarantino is not percent correct. How could you possibly phrase that as like, oh, that's just boomers being mad at the modern? It's like no, that's just like no, that's awful He had an arrangement to play his film at the cinema dome. I think it was for like two weeks but then It was just another big company basically saying nah Nah, no, that's out. Those are our screens What does that got to do with like? Yeah, new versus old or whatever I think it would be a gross oversimplification to ignore that there definitely is a paradigm shift going on in the world of cinema Yeah, this is wing music. It sounds it's not uh Is it the shop the shop one is uh Or is this later in the shop because the shop is like Dude That's the shop one this one sounds a little bit different. Is this uh, is this like the weather channel or something?  No, which which which one is it? Oh, we'll figure it out eventually Ignore that there Is a paradigm shift going on in the world of cinema It's been really fascinating to see how something like changing the way in which we consume movies has changed our perception of movies I think martin scorsese. Yeah Is right when he says that Basically consuming movies the exact same way we consume social media has shifted the perspective of movies from art to content That's how you you youtube It's you know, this is complicated because like Uh, there's there's definitely angles here that I'd be more than willing to agree with but like at the same time Great incredible movies have come from Fucking random Netflix like, you know deals and put on to streaming Well, I guess the uh the the lens of content is like a um, that's like a Conversation, um, I I feel like streaming as a part of it, but it's like it's it's only a part of it, you know Um, it seems like like franchising in general as like an objective Um Seems to become more and more prevalent in the last like 20 years because it's a safer investment Then you know doing something totally new and original and how much of that is influenced by streaming, you know Yeah, because uh, we get to a dangerous position of at first you're like, yeah, you're right It is all like fucking sludge everywhere all the time and then it's like well I don't know man.  It's like that's not even a film.  It's like Spread around all kinds of streaming. It just it just feels always like maybe it's more to do with just We're gonna do the thing.  Maybe it's just the writing is pretty bad right now That could actually just be it it doesn't actually have to be because of a shift to streaming or theaters getting Shad on or covid ruined everything.  It's always the audience's fault.  I guess Exact same way we consume social media has shifted the perspective of movies from art to content which is Really a devaluation of cinema and on on streaming platforms To the level of quote content unquote That's what it's become the goal of how much of this is upset that this sort of paradigm and uh of how movies are Produced and shown is That was a netflix film right? Yeah was I don't you are you saying like you wouldn't consider that content you consider it, uh, you know cinema, right? But it went straight to streaming Yeah, i'm sure that he can maybe he would say yeah, but it's it should have been in a theater Are maybe yeah, are the old, you know, are the old guard of cinema?  I feel like the theater is not the only place you can do that I service So yeah, I just I would rate that the um I'm curious if he's gonna get to the right quality of movies, uh as opposed to The advent of streaming taking over and stuff Well a big part of the conversation, isn't it is to have as much Content available on their platform as possible because if doesn't it feel weird you guys like we have such a different There's so many different levels of quality in this era to say it's all like the same is weird I mean, this is this is certainly this isn't this is part of the conversation I kind of agree with the notion that like there was a big incentive for companies to basically pump stuff out To buff up the the library and now we're seeing the consequences of that because now disney is even pulling stuff that they Essentially pushed through to buff up their library because you know, they didn't do well like willow's getting removed from the service Um, I think netflix has even removed some stuff from their service So yeah, that's definitely and you know, obviously the Warner Brothers just eating a whole bunch of their catalog Just like locking it away forever That's definitely there's like part of the the downsides of this current era of like content You know that content brain sort of focus of studios Sorry, sound like you had something to us Oh, no, I was just kind of wondering because didn't netflix just like Shaft a lot of like animated content because it like it was too expensive to make so they just kind of So they weren't gonna do as much anymore They cut back on a lot of animated animation projects, including I think some that were already like in development like Oh, yeah Getting worked on Because money and we see a ton of landfill Forgettable movies being pumped and dumped onto streaming services again and again since The absolute lack of self-awareness this whole video is about how it's fucking wrong to be so blatantly brazenly negative Then he just shows these four movies.   Yeah It always happens Because if anyone was ever confused. No, I'm not defending any of these. I've seen red notice. Unfortunately. I've seen this movie I watched it with rags I've seen the gray man. Yeah, I don't think these movies are good But like that it's so funny just to see him shit all over because these don't even count as films Okay, so it's fine. Oh For a second there. I thought that was the dawn See it says a russo's brother's film, but that's a lie. This is content Uh, so that's a much offensive film that netflix has made as well So that wasn't meant to be something that got dumped on the platform. That was meant to be a big deal Oh, and it's totally a film.  Like it's so all over the place Because content transformers revenge over the fallen is a content movie It was something that I wanted to make but the first film made a lot of money And there's a lot of films like that that just get pushed out there to make money because they can In fact, all the transformers sequels like the first one, you know, you could I mean it is content Arguably right like adapting a big popular merchandise franchise But like, you know, there was something there for the other ones like god damn like it's not new The studio has to make something basically just for money like with no real creative like Goals or intention on shitty as you mentioned. Yeah shitty content movies. We've been around forever. Uh I think the straight to dvd was like the way that you would categorize it, right? Wow. Yeah, like all of the disney animated film sequels, right? It's like, oh, that's uh, that's a real uh I think red. Let me talk about it with best of the worst the amount of Videos that they have from people who are copycats or just trying to bank on particular trends and stuff Yeah, it's been around for ages exploitation films. So that's literally a thing So I liked I liked the lion king Things that the one that went straight to Films Yeah, that was a pretty good one. Yeah, that's right. Simba's pride Yep, I know it well No So with that in mind, it's like, yeah streaming didn't make these happen These were going to be happening in other formats all the time.   Like I said, there's no arguments here. He's just like no, they're just shit The film forgettable movies being pumped and dumped onto streaming services again and again Since economics and art are forced to intersect at all times despite having wildly disparate goals It follows that as the supply of movies increases The demand for them starts to decrease and when we live in a world where we're so No It's not that the demand just because there's more That doesn't mean I want them less that's kind of funny, right? It means I can consume less of a percentage of them the more that there are To say that the more movies there are the less demand there is for them It would be like well, but that doesn't account for like look at look at maverick Like there's been loads of movies. How come that movie did so well that we have loads of movies It's like well the problem is like trying to apply supply and demand It's like oh well movies are the supply. It's like yeah, but like they're different though, you know Like there's so many subsections. They're not like the same product It's it's uh, it's it's not it doesn't really map on very well. There are no like units of film exactly exactly We're talking different to like units of you know, like an iphone or something or uh, or like a playstation 5 Multiple markets crossing over in all kinds of different ways all kinds of interests the idea that Different countries, you know, yeah, we released Queer Eye for the straight guy the good place the good wife new girl And so therefore we don't really need to put out a new star wars. It's like what? Yeah, you know like well, they're all movies like oh god. Yeah What is happening?  It's so much more complicated than that With so much content it becomes hard not to see it all as meaningless and it becomes very difficult I'm sorry When did we get to a point? I don't understand It's always been this way.  I don't understand That it makes it meaningful. What do you say? I don't want to be annoying. Are you okay, dude? Yeah, man I'm like, I'm definitely sorry for you that you feel this way like that must be really Like depressing nihilism is coming. I mean the the logic you gave us was this just so many and it's like there's always been loads They will never watch all of them on best of the worst There has always been more books films tv shows music video games than you will ever be able to Play listen to in your entire life the first thought I always have when I go to the library and look at a bookshelf Is man, there's just so many books Meaning You know I give up What's the thing man they've released Release so many like harry potter books. There's no need for another game of thrones song of ice and fire book That's how that works, right? Yeah Every book written in one book has less that needs to be written The vibe I get get from him is that he's doing everything to avoid the Avoid answering the question if movies are actually getting worse or not So far he has done everything to not Say that I think this is possibly the worst point he's made in the whole thing like there's so many movies It's just it's just meaningless or it can be meaningless like what? I'm just waiting for him to explain why film criticism shouldn't be negative But yeah, this feels like a tangent of a tangent which we're very familiar with I can get the feeling we're not going to find out Hey, I have some faith you still got some time left What is the secret to mario's job?  Are you like wow? I'm better than belba.  Yeah, so that's weird, but also a little platoon and neuterotic They're not oh, I thought you say that like they just arrived. They did arrive. Look, they're right there on screen Are you here? Like oh little platoon neuterotic Like you just open the door and you raised your hand like That is literally what I looked at the screen properly and I was like, oh my I've been faced with such wonderful Go check those videos out. Uh, they're I'm sure they're all wonderful even book furnaces book The real reason people hate the rings of power. Hey watching as a writer. Hey, how about that? All right, what does he got to say about these videos and how they evil? Hey Also, he said in the corner it says this is obviously not an endorsement of these videos, which is kind of funny not to posture ourselves Above all a lot of times the controversy and discourse surrounding a film or show is Oh movie scenic was there too. Well more entertaining and interesting than the show or film itself You know what rings of power sucks balls.  I'm just into like Watching other youtubers criticizing. I might hate I don't like A lot of people do that now Well, it's become a full-on thing. They they enjoy the tv show of people reviewing movies and tv shows That is their tv show. I think yeah, it's valid because it's more fun much more fun and more creative and just Overall better You are not more entertaining than the criticism of your own thing then I mean yeah instead of Like resort to a like a oh no, that's like no no no no no think of it positively. It's an art form It's really entertaining It's another avenue for people to entertain each other and for for creation to happen like stop dooming. It's annoying It's old terrible.  They should get better writers There we go moving on But really in regards to commodification and oversaturation is netflix really any different to the vhs boom There you go.  Of the 90s like do you see how many terrible videotapes? That red letter media still has yet to watch in their office. We've been doing the pump and With home video releases. Why are you so negative dude? You're assuming they're bad. You haven't even seen them. Wow The dark is probably really good. It's at probably has a lot of real good thematic He's heavily contributing to the culture of negativity with his negativity I mean he did say like he is a hypocrite, right? Like everybody Which makes it okay as long as you You know he's no being self aware about it.  It's done maya culpa. You finished carry on You know we're all sitting here like if he was gonna go this route. He might as well title the video differently The more the video goes on the more that tattoo seems like a cope like I have good taste in film.  I don't know but that's like a legit possibility Would I do this if I didn't have good taste in film? I don't think a film could be good enough to where I'd make a Tattoo of it of that kind in size. Not that kind in large Yeah, like if it was maybe like a subtle symbol somewhere Somewhere hidden away that only maybe my lovers would find it and okay. It's just all right.  It is really good.  I like I I got a tattoo of the witch on my forehead And it's at the end. Well, I guess I can't I'm not going to spoil it, but But like I had the entire script.  It is that big. I can't fit that many words on it Impressive It's very impressive for a while I guess you could argue that the difference is that physical releases were more profitable than Streaming at least as far as we're aware. It's more profitable It was considered like a secondary box office market Well that that caveat for film industries not artists Like I'm not sure what people who make a movie are the artists and if they make if the film studio gets more money from it Then the artists are probably going to get more money from it too Hmm. It's not always how it works. I'm not quite sure of Did anyone's far how we got here? We were like, you know, the proliferation of content through streaming Almost makes it feel meaningless. However, we have gotten to the point where, you know, that was the case with VHS is However, that was like a secondary market in which they could make money Like what does that have to do with the meaningless part? What does this have to do with film criticism should not be negative? This is hard to follow Yeah, I feel like you guys can't help me out. All right I shall continue to wallow in the abyss The difference is that physical releases were more profitable than streaming at least as far as we're aware It's more profitable. It was considered like a secondary box office market And so since the home video market is essentially completely relegated to streaming now, there aren't really a lot of people buying physical media then We have been seeing a paradigm shift in terms of what films Studios are willing to make as you may have seen in this viral clip of matt daemon on hot ones The dvd was a huge part of our business of our revenues. Uh, have you guys seen this clip before? I have not seen this video Because i'm i'm gonna probably deliberately butch ricks. I don't know if this is copyrighted like this actual probably Um, but you know, you just repeated that the dvd market could we actually talked about that? Well, it's not out yet But we talked about I know I know you're talking about uh Gary mentioned that what saved austin powers was not it's theatrical release, but it's dvd release It was so popular they were like, holy fuck. Let's make another one and that was a way for movies to win Uh, and that's what matt daemon talks about in this clip But that is dead now There is no like oh it releases on dvd and does really well and therefore blah blah blah because people are just not buying physical as much They're relying on streaming, uh, which by the way don't Like we talk about this a lot don't rely on streaming for your favorite things by the way I mean, there's a reason why I mean deep millions are useful to have yeah that region locking for streaming and stuff like that, you know Stream as for how this plays into the video no idea and technology has just made that uh obsolete Just gonna just be careful. Yeah, that's a good idea There look it's matt daemon look at him go eat matt I think the copyright bot is like is raising the gun and then we pause You could afford to not make all of your money when it played in the theater That's true. Yeah, yeah What's that? Oh my it must have been the wind He said as an arrow sticks out of his neck. I must see what you gotta do is go dancing anime a girl on the screen Well, I could the way I could really sort this out is by muting putting up the cover and then hit play And now we'll be absolutely fine. You guys can enjoy it in its Fullitude the people at home won't I can just keep talking Keep them busy until the clip ends For a second there I thought his pants. I didn't I did his pants were really tight on his leg And it was vaguely kind of like skin tone-y colored and I thought dang this guy's showing some real leg there Damn, I don't need that table and then I was like, oh, it's it's his pants. Okay. All right Like look at him go really does matt know? Is that the reveal that matt doesn't know on the other side? You're doing this big autumn list, okay And uh, yeah, yeah Still still going and gonna be in the clip any second now Doop dee-doop dee-doo. Yep. I mean it. Yeah, it's good. Oh, there we go. Yeah. All right. Excellent Okay Filmmaking has been dominating the box office for so long now that I look at the top 10 highest grossing films of all time And I get really really depressed Yep Because avatar wasn't very good I get depressed looking at the top 10. Yeah Yeah Good ones Um, well, wait, I mean I can't accept a infinity wars got some stuff in there. No way home's got But but those are both like even avengers is good Avengers is good. Avengers is good. Is avengers the best? Wait. Wait. Is avengers the best on that list? um I mean It is I mean, I prefer it to titanic if I had to choose between those two because everything else there i'm looking at it's just like Listen, I haven't seen furious seven. Okay. Thanks That's true a discounting furious seven because I have not seen it And I don't want to be negative and say that it shit without having seen it I think that the avengers is the best movie on that list Top 10, uh, yeah, probably. I mean the so just to clarify right like The primary reason I assume for the cast here for why this list isn't that fun to look at is because we believe them to be mostly badly written films Yeah, the line king is horrific Jurassic worlds terrible But there is something to be said which i'm presuming is actually something that I would probably agree with this guy on If you go back like 20 30 years ago Top 10 like highest grossing films list was comprised of a lot more just standalone Films that weren't meant to be part of some big franchise or like original films Original screenplays like and in any given year you would see more of those But it's like ever since we entered into the 2000s. It was like that gradual shift and then thanks to marvel Like, you know the 2010 saw the complete and utter shift to like the only films that would get up the top were like big franchise films um some of this list Looks like what like seven of them are essentially like sequels or franchise movies So, uh, well, Titanic is original. That's not based on anything. Well, it it's true. That's true. Yeah, it's true No, it's no s I would say every single one of avatars is now a franchise Yeah, but at the time Yeah, I count avatars original line of coke you just took their dance That line of pure depression Negativity And by the way to be clear everybody the lion king that's on that list is the remake not the original Yeah, the original didn't make one Well, the original was the highest grossing animated film for a long time at nate I think it made like 900 million dollars which back in 1994 like Lion King was tremendously successful I think it was one of the highest grossing films of all time like when it came out like in the top 10 I think the lion king is the worst one out of the list Like it's the most depressed End game. I I mean, I think Okay, but I was gonna say false awakens End game, yeah, I like how we're all very activated by several of these The lion king just represents so much in In itself like the fact that it made into this list and it's a remake and it's just Such I like a shot-for-shot remake. It's just so depressing to me.  I don't pay any attention to them I had no idea they were that good.  They're probably I imagine Disney wants that to make a billion dollars That's the expectation that would be my guess Because that's how reliably profitable these films have been until you know covered stuff Derailed things and now it's a little bit more iffy how successful these are Mulan didn't do very well Um Cruella didn't do very well. They apparently did well enough to justify a sequel I don't know how that happened either. It's yeah And then plus there's all the remakes that they pumped on to the streaming service But I don't know how well those have done like Pinocchio or uh Lady and the tramp was one of them, right? I think that was a launch A launch title of sorts for disney plus He even did lady and the tramp like so they've spammed to the point where I forget At this point if you were to think of films like disney animated films It's going to be if you exclude the last 10 15 years It's going to be hard to think of one that hasn't been uh adapted or isn't pending because of course, you know, you've got like, um That the snow white is happening Uh little stitch Um, I think that other ones have been announced Yeah, Moana just got announced. So if there's that too, yeah frozen is a matter That's only a matter of time until they they do frozen Yep Also, is he about to just casually shield all these though? Yes, just a negativity is bad But this But this is also due in part to cognitive bias recency effect aka You're going to remember what happened five seconds ago Well more clearly than you are going to remember what happened five years ago They gave a name to that it was not necessary It just seems like normal to me that you like remember things that happened recently bull I don't know. It just seems like normal recency effect. Sure. Why not? We're asking ourselves if movies are truly getting worse and we're looking back Oh, so he's gonna the point will be then that they've always been bad. We just remember recent wouldn't that go both ways We would remember the good more than before Do you know what I mean? Uh, I guess it's just a feeling to nostalgia, right? You discard and don't think about all the stuff that you didn't like compared to the stuff But that seems like a different thing than recency Yeah, I was gonna say that would be because if the if the meme is We remember the bad things recently, but we don't really remember the bad things Before and a while ago and surely that should apply to positive too. We remember the positives much clearer than we remember them back And it's like, well, no, he's gonna have to argue the opposite of that Well, I mean, especially when we talk about the negativity bias Why do we remember old stuff positively but the negativity bias, you know, like how do we square that one away? Well, then and I just I don't want to submit to his crazy assessment.  I know that's a thing However, there's gonna be a time where the density of bad is gonna be dominating the most and I feel like Uh, particularly we're there You know in the in the era of 20 Maybe 2018 to 20 Well, just say to present it's been weird, man.  Not just bad films but films that annihilate ip's And uh, you know, I'm given to people that hate the source material and the audience was like a strange thing for them to keep doing It's not that it never happened before. It's just that uh, man It's been happening a lot recently because you know terminator genesis was what 20 was that? Oh Jesus Christ, and then yeah, you know And people would often say like x-men 3 was like awful But I think if they watched it again today, they'd be like that wasn't that bad compared to stuff we're getting right now I mean, it's it's bad, but it's not. Yeah, like it's not as catastrophic the bad of that's that's the video I would make photos him feels like bad has changed the scale of bad has gotten different Mm-hmm.  Yeah, I like it too. Oh, it's cute I think he did a great job and I can't wait for the sequel Oh, no, no, it'll franchise it and ruin it Yeah, I think it speaks for itself so I really like it. I really like it. All it needs is like an extra frame to be like you'll your negativity bias is ruining I Think you have negativity bias very very toxic to artistic creativity All of these movies of the past with reverence and looking at all of the current films with disdain and Fucking why Oh, let's see. What do we guys I can't believe the black atoms the best one black atoms the best I was just about to say black atom is the best movie on this on this assembly We don't need to have seen dominion. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna gamble and say that black atom is better than dominion You know, I know because I've not heard a single person say dominion is good. Never. That's true here No All I've heard is horribly negative things black atom on the other hand Many people are good things in there. Yeah, there are some good things in there It has the most annoying kid actor in history, but it is Dr. Fake Looking back and saying, oh, maybe I judged the rise of skywalker too harshly. I was I had a negative Yeah No, yeah, I just don't buy it. It wasn't that bad Rise of skywalker Multiverse of madness dominion like these are the part of all this era and I can't wait for us to get out of it With it's like, wow, how did that get made? How did that cost hundreds of millions? And you're like, yeah, I know Someone was paying a lot of monuments to hatred of the craft of writing. Yeah, like why do you hate art? Stop In anger We're forgetting about so many things from the past. We are looking I know the bad films existed before That's not revolution. I'll do you one better. I haven't even learned about some things from the past To forget them. Yeah, so when it yeah, take that your pipe and smoke it to the bank Please tell me to the bank Listen, CJ, you're about to find out there are bad movies that existed before 2010. All right. Yeah, sorry to tell you man Here we go Some of us elderly folks ruining my nostalgia Which is funny again because if you're like, hey, dude, maybe you shouldn't be saying these movies are bad You're adding to the negativity culture stop The highlight reel Not the entire picture you look back at the highest grossing films of years past And there's just so many of them that we forget about completely and I'm not even saying that any of the films I'm about to list are definitively bad, but You but okay, we covered our tracks. What does definitively bad mean? Like Are we allowed? Are we allowed now to call things definitively bad? And it's something is definitively bad. Should you say anything about it? Just casually throwing that out they do this all the time I really don't hear people going around saying things like Man movies used to be so much better back in the day. I'm talking airport 1977 why do you think they label the films they remember and are great because those ones are the ones they remember and are great There's probably why We have had a lot of time. We've had many decades To filter out a lot of the stankers in terms of music and movies and things of that nature Which is why a lot of people don't remember a lot of bad stuff and um So there is a little bit of the the fact that we're living in you know the current era and movies are coming out And we saw we generally see most of the releases that come out or no Iraq tell me list me all the bad movies that came out in 2022 go Oh Good, I you know I I think it is against the spirit of this video for me. That doesn't make sense You're supposed to remember all the recent ones. So I it's not about remembering. It's about keeping within the spirit And yet you consider it to be a weaker time of film even though you can't remember all of the great It's so funny to me because like what he's highlighting are going to be movies.   Why are you bringing up aliens?  It's like, I don't know because all the new ones are horrible Look at more than happy to talk about Morbius and moonfall, but Yeah, it's almost as if it's in a suit in suits like puppeting these franchises directly invites negative comparison with the past Well, and he's like, why aren't you saying yes? Uh, Dila Desi looks bad, but you know what was bad that movie that came out in 19? Whenever that was bad. It's like so really nothing really has changed. It's like what? Who's like he's implying that that's like the normal way to talk about this the biased way to talk about it Is to say like our film is heading into a bad place even though he's already acknowledged like almost every Corner of like critical thinking has decided that this is a bad era for film It's gotta mean something what of the metric can we go by other than there's loads of bad films and the people who make films say film is in trouble And the people who review films are saying film is in trouble If there are any movie Historians out there who are aware of what movie critics from The 60s 70s 80s or whatever might have said if there maybe some people out, you know from back then said the same thing But I don't I don't know of that being said and of course. I wasn't around back then Well, that would make a Really interesting video if you could like get quotes and analysis that is almost very reflective of what's being said today But about like the 80s or something I'm not saying it's not people, you know, it probably does exist. It would be interesting to look at We kind of got this a little bit when a lot of the people who were who who are coping about The Last Jedi said That oh If the empire was back was released today people would hate it back then it was like all people, you know good because Because that's just what they're trying to believe Yeah, it's when you ask anybody who lived during that time and they're like what do you mean empire was hype as fuck It's regarded as the best Star Wars film to this day And it probably made a lot of money and it made people extremely excited for the sequel and what was to come Or as TLJ left us sat and depressed It deconstructed my my enjoyment of the series It deconstructed my enjoyment of film A big enjoyment or like excitement for the rise of skywalker.  Yeah, I was morbidly curious.  Yeah, that's the position I was in what can they actually do because it seems like every plot thread has just been shot in the head Do you remember that? um tweet it went viral both People agreeing with it and viral people making fun of it. I think I should at least with fringy, but it was something like The 2010s doesn't have culture. It's just cultureless. It's just a mess or whatever. It's like Like like as though we'll hit in 2050 and we'll be like, yeah 80s 90s 2000 or 2010s 2020s there was nothing there and then back to having culture again in 2030s or it was just like well It's a it's a weird time, right? You know 2010 to 2020 But it's I think that as time goes on it'll be captured in the form of like individual, you know Fucking fashions or ideals and stuff. It seems that that's happens, you know, no matter what it always happens but um that's supposed to be an argument that's indicative of how art has gotten strange and and uh damaged And stuff and it's like, I don't know What's to talk about? I'm not going that far. I'm just saying films are really badly written as of late. That's all There does seem to be a very I think it's kind of the um, like the foundational issue people don't seem to care about writing anymore You hear about what goes on behind the scenes for things like multiversive madness and that's the only conclusion You can really draw is there's just no respect. Yeah writing at that point. It's not even that the writers are bad It's that the craft has no respect at all. It's considered like something that just doesn't really matter Like ultimately when it comes to making a film the script really isn't important. It's like, oh Okay And I just don't think that that was a cultural uh issue back in the day There were scripts that would sell movies. That used to be a thing But just doesn't feel like in the in the hyper high budget films that scripts even matter It's the it's like an event is organized and then the script will come in, you know It's that famous little quote from michael waldrin that he was panicking during the filming of the second act because he hadn't He hadn't had anything for act three. He didn't know what was gonna happen They're filming the second act How does that happen I'm talking flash dance the best little whorehouse in texas.  You also flash dance a few people mentioned I've heard of flash dance. I haven't heard of airport 1975. I've heard of airport An airplane shampoo an airbud conversation surrounding the filmmaking landscape of today versus the filmmaking landscape of 50 years ago is so deeply entrenched in our cognitive distortions and biases that it always is There's never a time where we all have perfect clarity of what everything's happening in industries Allow me to Show you what memory is and how it works. I don't even like we we have a uniquely unique more clarity these days than most because of the information can be found in terms of The past how it ran and the currently in present the fact that I never even understand why disney released those behind the scenes Things for a marvel movies. They're always incredibly embarrassing They talk pridefully about how they skip and cut corners all the time Or luckily stumble into having things just happen.  Whatever that works And I guess I'm filmmaking great and you're like Yeah So, yeah, I don't know like I just don't the idea that it's like oh, we've got a lot of biases right now in terms of our analysis Like yeah, we always do There's also a lot more voices than there's ever been in terms of what's recorded and put out there into the world The landscape of 50 years ago is so deeply entrenched in our cognitive distortions and biases that It is damn near impossible at this point to have any semblance of an objective conversation about it Some of my favorite films. I don't even know what to do with that. I don't yeah, I was I didn't think I would say that I started to think but I was like I don't even know what to really do with that It would take more effort than it maybe deserves to try and The first thing is like what does he mean by it? It's like I'm never gonna find that out I haven't found out what the title is yet. I don't know if he knows if you asked him what he meant Ever period have released within the last 10 years and yet my own cognitive biases like negativity bias or recency effect or just my general disdain for The oversaturation of big budget franchise filmmaking has been thinking about things like Jurassic world dominion Or the rise of skywalk. So he has 10 movies popular and very highly advertised all the time Yeah, well, he's talking about how like there are several movies. There is favorite of all time They've come out in the last 10 years and yet he's thinking about rise of skywalker and Jurassic world dominion It's like so what's wrong? It seems like a personal skill. Absolutely. It's a skill issue That's a skill issue I don't think about these films ever dude. I'm done thinking about rise of skywalker until I need to talk about rise of skywalker Like it's It was fun, you know, we we had a good time talking about how shit it was. We all did the internet We had a field day with it.  He's like you're the reason I keep thinking about these the algorithm monster like holds up a mirror A big reveal at the end of the episode as we stare into the algorithm the algorithm It's the same as the conclusion to the south buck episode. Hey, it turns out the algorithm is us because you know The economy is exactly It's that's the walmart, you know Yeah, that's right. You know, it's what we made it The people, you know, except the thing was even though walmart the heart was a mirror It was literally the mirror. So if you destroy it the walmart dies and then poops itself It poops itself That's somewhat of a highlight as well. He's been awfully negative about negativity Booming and glooming for like 20 minutes. He's been laying it on hard I'm just waiting for him to come up with a alternative to you almost want to see the video.  All good men trying to sell you one negative. Yeah Because this is it's just depressing this video The moment he mentioned movies in a positive context right now He straight off cut it off just to Again mentioned movies negatively again He just put up like his favorite movies for two seconds And went back to talking about negatively again And uh, if we look at that that Okay, so Blade Runner 2049, I mean, there's talked about quite a bit lighthouse was talked about by a lot of people Uh, it's the whole reason I found out existed a monster. Yeah um Nocturnal animals under the silver lake and swiss army man Definitely sank under being discussed. I've heard of them, but uh not talked about that much and then here I don't see really anybody talking about it, but I thought it was an awesome and one people do talk about it It's overwhelmingly positive. Yeah, so What what are we highlighting is the issue? It's he's saying that like how could all of these films exist in this era and yet my mind is focused on the negative And I just be like, oh well, so ignoring all the stuff we've already said about The issue, uh, it's really weird to highlight like look at these Thousands of movies that have come out. I liked six of them and yet I overall feel that there's a negative Like, you know, this it's bad movie era. It's like well. Yeah, if there's a thousand bad movies in one good one It's bad.  We just stopped doing that.  I'm pretty sure that came out in the last 10 years, right? Oh, yeah, where is that? Bias or recency effect or just my general disdain for the oversaturation of big budget franchise filmmaking Has me thinking about things like Jurassic world dominion or the rise of skywalker and and then I just sit there and I go Maybe we should just be done making movies now. Maybe it should all should Geez Okay, now you can see why he made the video he's been consumed It's funny to me because he decided that rise of skywalker and They're just so bad. He's almost lost faith in filmmaking It's like why can't the guy over there say that in his video Then that guy say that and then many of them say it and that we could all just recognize like Yeah, rise of skywalker was shit instead of being like wow you guys are all being rather negative Bit old To just be over. I really really try to keep in mind. Is that loss of us. What is less of us? It's the credit. It's the music for the credits That things aren't always changing for the worse. Sometimes they are simply changing And yet again, when I look at films like rise of skywalker or Jurassic world dominion It is so hard to not feel personally insulted like these movies It's okay. I feel personally insulted I'm feeling yeah, you know what? Maybe he's all to something those movies are kind of personally insulted. This is funny at this point Films, I don't know if they make you feel this horrible. I have to wonder about your attachment to them I don't know like still You're gonna be fine.   I don't get it. Does he know? Not to just rip them to shreds to just lay into them in these hour-long video essays that I could possibly make That would provide all this catharsis not just for me But probably for an audience of people I'm waiting for the negative part because we're finally here He's going to explain to us why this is a bad thing. Do it. Yes. Tell me why film criticism should not be negative please That would be more than willing to watch that you know more than willing to support that And it would make me feel really good making it and it would make everyone feel good watching it And it would feel good to see all those people watching it man. He's really making a good case for me Literally everyone benefits. I would get paid for it people be happy However, here's where it all becomes shit But that's kind of my entire point here the goal of criticism should not be to destroy films film Some of them deserve it The goal of criticism should not be to destroy films We are single-handedly destroying cinema you guys I mean, yeah He's doing it the positive music is up.  It's like if you rip it up and tear it into pieces The film meaning everything that was involved. He's like, what are you doing? No, I'm just gonna rant about what I didn't like Is that okay? I said at the beginning. This is all just my feeling of feelings and opinion And it's just what I think and it doesn't mean anything. I guess Like I'm picturing is like if he was like a family member and he's like, you know You come home from watching some of these films and you sound very abusive You're like, I will rip into this. I will destroy it Perhaps film should be treated Much kinder and not so aggressively Like oh dude, it's I didn't mean to upset you. I'm just I'm using words that kind of imply a sense of uh an emotional state I'm not actually going to start punching the screen and stuff. I'm okay. I'll be fine and you will be too So we should not be negative about film To protect people like jj abrams. I don't know but hurt It's not gonna be an authority on criticism Criticism can be whatever the critic wants it to be. There is no explicit That was actually where I was gonna go next Who decides what the goal of criticism is and who who's who's the moral arbiter on that one?  He looks at the Jurassic world dominion and he starts to lose his faith in a higher power I think that this be Part of what I'm fascinated by as well is that if if you just had someone who's like I I want uh Disney star wars as an ip to stop and to do that I need to be critical of it and to do that effectively I need to rip it to shreds. I hope it's destroyed if he said like Well, that's not what criticism should be you'd be like, okay, why and make a compelling argument, please I'm I'm man. I'm still waiting to hear why it shouldn't be negative. I mean it's the title of the video and he's had half an hour Criticism should not be negative not to say that you shouldn't have negative critiques of a film. Oh, okay, cool. I'm fine Not to say that you shouldn't have what that exception that exception clears all the negative videos.   I'm not shitting on them, but Implicitly I'm devaluing the work. He says this but there are so many put both positive critiques and reviews on youtube and more balance takes as well and also negative reviews that weren't necessarily made with the intent of Tearing the movie to shreds, but because it's bad and the That is how the reviewer genuinely felt not that they're necessarily relishing in it, but that's what they did just I I feel like Has he only watched like three or four reviews and gone this is what all reviews are That's the thing. I thought possible I feel like we're in a better time than ever for finding the thing you want if you want a positive review of love and thunder Just type it in you'll probably find it someone out there said it was good Yeah, and that's more now than ever because there's just more people doing more of it.  It's like it's not ending World's actually totally fine Coming to an end theoretically film criticism should not be negative and not to say that you shouldn't have negative critiques of the film But that then what are these sentences? consecutive these consecutive Maybe the video should have started here This is the real starting place. You shouldn't have negative critiques of a film But that film criticism should not be this negative force that seeks to destroy movies to the cheering of millions What on earth looks different now? This is this is insulting. I agree.  Like if I release this scathing rippy a party video It's okay, but as soon as a million people are cheering me on and saying yeah rip it apart I was like oh now we have a problem We just run for that sentence film criticism should not be negative not to say that you can't do negative criticism of a film But you shouldn't do negative criticism with the goal of destroying like art You know murder shouldn't be allowed not to say you can't kill people unjustified, but I don't yeah I don't really get what he's after because even if he was to go in strictly with motive We're never gonna know definitively if someone makes a video and says I strictly did this because I just hate art I remember the big a big portion of him actually delving into motive was the motive of the algorithm Not like the motive to destroy art. Remember that was a huge portion of the film Not the film Huge portion of this video. I do that all the time doesn't seem to be factoring into his Conclusive statement in any way shape or form. Why isn't it feel it's not The problem is I can't find a way to work it to where you say film criticism shouldn't be negative But you can be negative about films It's like a fundamentally incongruent like statement I think this opinion comes from a person who Like literally just does not enjoy Does not understand how to take joy in Making video essays and he's like projecting onto all of us Like it's become a job that he hates or something. Yeah, he can't understand how we can like make this content Without like sheer will and motivation to destroy something like Like we can't enjoy our craft actually Which we do most of us do but obviously he does not and it seems like he's projecting really Yeah, I would actually ask you like did you hate making that dharma video? Did you really not enjoy it?  Are you okay? Is everything that sounds It's like that thing earlier where he was like you're happy the people who watched it are happy You managed to make a career out of it So let me tell you why this is awful. You're like, oh I feel like it was okay Someone said like maybe his point is the as a whole it shouldn't be negative. It's like it's not and it never will be Um, and if and if it's referring to any, you know specific individual video I mean if it ends up being wholly negative because that's the main focus of the critique, you know Yeah, no, that's that's totally fine, too The thing is in a theoretical world where every single reviewer was negative about every movie ever I feel like something's changed like we're not even human anymore. Absolutely Exactly that just seems like a bizarre world that doesn't exist And uh, if he was like, yeah, but we're close enough to her be like, no we're not We still have to talk regularly about how the things get over praised and Toxic positivity is totally a thing that people don't like to address But yeah, sorry man. We're we're certainly in the era of negativity and positivity being everywhere You just gotta go click for it. Then you feel like yeah, but the algorithm it skews negatives like, oh no Oh nine Again, the algorithm skewing negative has nothing to do with his statement that you shouldn't be negative to destroy Films, what does that have to do with the algorithm or like negativity bias? Also, there's no and and how that drives the kind of content that's been created on the platform As jay just said there's so much to be said for learning by watching the deconstruction of a bad example Yeah, and and just this I hate this idea that we just know the mind of a creator is strictly negative if they're being critical It's just like what was that? I don't like that. I yeah, it's a shame being negative is Or at least being critical. It's super fun Especially if you're covering something that is like hilariously bad Or if you find a lot of satisfaction and looking deep into something that's been created Well, like imagine There's like a fight scene where the hero is in a tough spot because a bad guy's got a knife Do their back and then the editor edits the knife out. That's hilarious. I wouldn't do that. It's too obvious Well, no, not in like a big budget thing.   What he should have done is wouldn't have been hilarious if game of thrones did like a partnership with star butt or something after that they totally owned it and they're like, yeah, we fucked up and the You know, it was like a ha ha laugh about it kind of thing and uh Or in every season or in every episode and they secretly left it hidden in the background somewhere A starbucks coffee cup and it became like an easter egg hunt Then you'd have a reason to watch the eighth season By the way, uh, again even by his own video standards, then it seems like it's not about positive negatives about motive Right Because I could what if I said I'm I'm planning on destroying the film industry and you're like, oh my god Like and I'm exclusively positive because I believe if I keep running everything up to the being the best like all these really bad movies Eventually, I'll convince people that this is good and then I'll crash the industry down by having to make more of those Would he then be like wow Film criticism should not be positive No, he'd never make that video so I Look at some crazy light yaga being like Films are good so that it's bad and then he actually you know destroys the film industry this negative force that seeks to destroy movies to the cheering of millions We all love movies I I like I like I do picture the I love them before this video I can picture eventually the disney castle pieces of it pulling off its old inflames of this huge crowd of millions cheering Yeah To be to be honest, I probably would cheer too if I saw yeah The the tyrant has been overthrown Yeah, like it's like watching the death star explode. Yeah You know what maybe that ain't so bad It's Right like that. That's why we're doing all this That's why we are picking them apart and analyzing them and having all this online discourse about them It's because it's because we love them because we we respect what is going on It's the music in his top video It's funny It's like we're standing on a you know A cliffside with the sun rising above the sea, you know The art form and we want to see it get better and grow and thrive it's it's not just to Feel better about ourselves to feel intellectually secure about who that's you maybe If that was his problem that should be the problem not film criticism being negative I guess I just find it it's like, you know, it shouldn't be about you know inflating your own ego Or just for the sake of destroying art Down that's like that's not that's a different video We yeah, because that really has nothing that's that could be applied to positivity as well Right if you're inflating your ego or the catharsis of you know Building something up that you put a lot of stock in that you know, maybe isn't so good, right? Yeah, it's divorced from whether it's positive or negative Yes, that's in the big segment for me on this It's like the cross of changes by enigma like you finally reached the end of lsd Yes, they were at the end. It's all blending together. We did we're here Like we do want movies to get better, right? We all want to reach that state of utopian bliss where movies are so good Um, fine. I'll take the maybe the unpopular opinion here that we do I think Enjoy it when there are bad movies getting released anyway as well The idea that uh, if we were told you can make a deal with the devil It wouldn't be the devil whoever fucking wizard that uh, all movies will be great It'd be like, okay. That's cool. But I do like seeing a bad movie every once in a while. It can be fun So, um, you know, that's true too. And so it'd be like, I don't I don't I don't think that's a bad thing either That we like watching bad movies. I don't think that's I don't think that's a negative or that's it's toxic in any way It's just kind of like having fun and I mean look at the room, right? It's probably the best example of all time. It's enjoyed people love it as a bad example Ah, damn it, you know The first one anyway, yeah We have no right to complain anymore. We we do want good movies, right? Yes, but we also like having a bad movie every once in a while. Sure Yeah, I really enjoy watching bad movies. There's just something about and that gives me energy But isn't that partly why we complain about the bad ones is because we want the good ones Because like like for example the new star wars movies like we wanted them to be good, right? Yeah, I hope we're gonna and it's It's frustrating that they aren't but it's it's definitely I feel like Autistic and fulfilling for us to talk about it. I think what he's trying to say is the He would say like that that's essentially what he's trying to say, but in reverse He's trying to say that uh Isn't the core goal that we want good movies It's not all about just enjoying ripping apart bad things, right because that that sounds really bad And I guess all I'm saying is just can it can it be both can it be that we also want good movies? But we also enjoy watching bad movies. Is that a problem? Yeah, sure Bad films get ripped apart. There are bad films.  I've watched that I don't enjoy watching It's like you get the whole yeah thing tar Yeah, and the bad movies make it so much more rewarding when actually good ones come out You know and you actually see something that you're you know excited about It's very important to understand. I think especially if you consider yourself into movies Oh, I mean this even goes past movies. This is just a general life thing But it's really useful to know why you like the things you like and why you don't like the things you don't like And getting both sides of the quality spectrum allows you to identify that much better And sometimes it takes other people like explaining This is why this thing in the movie is bad and you go oh, I I didn't like that part That's why like I didn't quite I I I didn't like it But I couldn't quite piece together why I didn't like it or what was rubbing me the wrong way about it Don't just want to feel terrible and wallow in our own So this is another big leap. I don't feel miserable when I watch things that are bad that I enjoy watching I thought I thought it was described as you're doing it for catharsis or to feel better about yourself and inflate your ego So how is people feeling miserable? Isn't the problem the opposite that people are doing it to make themselves feel better? I don't think people are that miserable when they watch something that they think is funny bad.  Yeah, honey bad is like Oh, it's wonderful as opposed to you know, like multi-versed man.  It gives me power or something if you're pursuing misery At that point, you know, that's again the conversation of that's a different video Yep Again, it's like it's like I can see what your issues are but it's got nothing to do with being negative when it comes to criticism That feels intuitive to you probably but it's got nothing to do with your actual position Passing time until our inevitable death. I guess I can really only speak for myself And that's what you said you were doing Yeah, you said that at the beginning. Remember, it's just your opinion Was this whole time we were supposed to believe something else like We've been bamboozled All of these like unnecessary caveats getting thrown in just like gets in the way of coherency Oh, yeah I love Films, I love the process of filmmaking. I love film criticism and analysis. I love I almost feel like I wish he was monotonously delivering this because it feels less genuine the way that he's doing the acting of like It does feel less genuine I would prefer the YMS of I love film All of he's trying to sell you something. Yeah All right, I just had to yeah get some all of what did he say film? He roll back just to he loves all of film Yeah, that's actually I didn't even think of that. He's like, what do you mean you love all of film? He didn't say that though, right I thought he just said I love Okay, we'll do it. We don't just want to feel terrible and wallow in our own misery passing time until our inevitable death I guess I can really only speak for myself and I love Films, I love the process of filmmaking Well, no rags kind of one point if you say you love films He's like it's kind of like the title. It's like we might need more qualification Oh All of it. Okay. I had to get up to do something I came back and he said all of it and I'm thinking like and I want to get Yeah, but when he said all of it, he was talking about like the filmmaking process and criticism So he's talking about the tangential aspects of films So not just films themselves, but like how they're made and people talking about them But he has clearly said he does not love many portions of it, right? Well, yeah, sure. But if I say I love video games doesn't mean I love every single video game ever made Well, when you say film criticism should not be negative technically speaking, he hasn't said that it's all Oh, sure, um But I guess I just don't see that as something you would read into it when someone says I love films What I'm saying is it's interpretable. He should probably develop it. Um Just like he's developing film criticism should not be negative into It shouldn't be motivated by destroying art. That's what he means when he says film criticism should not be negative It's not very intuitive, is it? No, that's not intuitive But like if somebody said to me I love like television Like to me intuitively is oh, I like watching tv shows Yeah, but he just said I love films and filmmaking and it's like the I I think that especially after watching this video Especially able to set about the creation of film in relation to streaming services and content and stuff So you clearly hate a lot of what it's become You would would consider it like detrimental and almost um a perversion. At least that's how uh Martin says he can come across with it. So yeah Feels like If you're gonna have all that in the video and then and with like, I just I love me films and filmmaking. It's like Well It's maybe it's time to have a bit more of a nuance Straightforward answer of you know, I don't love all of it, but I don't let that control me I don't let it be my entire personality Um I mean, I see what you're saying, but I guess I just I don't like when somebody says I love films I just presume that that means that they love like films broadly speaking as like a medium of art Not all of them or them, you know, even the majority of them Well, give it another go. Let's see. Let's see what comes across Passing time until our inevitable death. I guess I can really only speak for myself and I love Films, I love the process of filmmaking. I love film criticism and analysis.  I mean like film criticism should not be negative It's like damn man. That's like a that's a lot of what like That's half of it. You know And negative especially if you know a lot of people define criticism like with the negative framing though He used the more neutral. It's totally the the thing. I don't like about this. It's just like We know you don't love all of it and that's okay. I don't love all of it either Well, yeah that part is um because it would be like if I said I love video games except for any that are a third person perspective Well, that's so that's the equivalent, right? If you said to me in a call. I love video games I love the video game making process. I love video game criticism.   It's just strange I love all of it and that is why I am doing this right now. That is why I am deconstructing it I want to see it Reconstructed you haven't answered the title. You haven't done the title You lied. You did the worst. You not only didn't explain it. You lied He feels he's explained it right. He's talking about people who are motivated to destroy art slash want to live in misery Those are the things you shouldn't be Which doesn't really feel like it's a promise upon the title really like Even even a noticeably a note like how many people who make like film criticism want to destroy films I mean that I think most all of them really like the film medium That's very uh, talk about it Very straightforward comparison would just be if the title of the video was you should never ever kill and then he only talks about murder. That's it It's like well There's a lot of Other things that come into the thing you're talking about and you've highlighted them too But you seem to just be okay with it. It's like you've picked How many people's this really apply to and can it provably apply to them? Or are you just assuming are you like oh Well, how can you ever how can you ever definitively know right like somebody's motivation for like cinema sins? Clearly only ever wanted to destroy art and he's a miserable man. It's like I think he just wanted to talk about films. Yeah, I'm sure you just want to have fun That's it and that he likes films. I'm sure And yeah, the people behind it's like when did you deconstruct when did that happen? You didn't deconstruct he didn't he didn't deconstruct film criticism You can't say ira stottle and think your job's done You're gonna have to actually really get in and explore if you were better at I don't know maybe criticizing or something about John Filmsbane. He mentioned him John Filmsbane. That's true. That guy that guy He let me tell you one thing that guy hates movies John Filmsbane. He knew they were coming. He warned Now that is why I am deconstructing it. I want to see it Reconstructed and built upon I I want to see it continue to thrive and improve.  He's literally highlighted the Lion King video from YMS's example of bad. How? That's like one of the best ones He should just be going after the sharpness of the criticism and maybe point to like if you still want the Film criticism should not be negative go after the general like I don't know outrage framing that a lot of these videos If you really feel like it Yeah Faith criticism like go off to people where it's like man.  I was like, yeah, that's a shitty way of going about it But just negative broadly in general as like a thing that should be avoided When like that negativity can be derived from like earnest good intentions The negativity often is derived from that and derived from well, it's predicated on some investment Yeah passion a lot for uh films like it's a medium People just said he captain falcon does You got to do better Like he quickly ran away from his point or like like acknowledge.  I want to live in a golden age of films where Future generations can look back on it and with the same amount of I don't I don't really know what and we have to uh, if you want those things then you're gonna have to encourage Good negative criticism. That's helpful. Wait, but he said a golden age of films You implying that if we were much more positive, we'd be in a golden age by like by saying we are Oh, because if we just do that you would have to pills and It's something that he hasn't done in this video He would have to establish some kind of feedback loop of the kind of negative criticism that he doesn't like Leading to worse films like in order to make that claim I know like, um, I think moeller mentioned earlier.  They'll just carry on and make stuff anyway In fact, the people make negative reviews of their work. It doesn't stop them I really don't see how it makes a difference in the big picture Yeah, let's imagine a world where everyone who made videos did keep in mind to at least some degree like hey When people, you know on youtube and critics and stuff when they look at this should we construct a story and construct a movie With those, um, you know with those criticisms in mind so that we you know, don't have them in our movie I mean, surely that would make prompt movies would almost certainly be better because of that Especially when it comes to writing and just basic logic and you know character, you know construction and things of that nature I think what's amusing to me too is the I completely agree with cj But the the era we're currently in and i'm talking like last year even Seems to be the most significant the crossover between filmmaking tv show show running And youtubers has ever been which is still tiny by the way And the primest example I can think of Is the showrunner for Picard season three interacting with youtubers and what was Picard season three? It's like well, it's considered a radical change from season one and two for the better That's how it's considered by most people. So it's pretty interesting to think The the most in the most connected to youtube film criticism Show that I can think of that has tried to appease fans Is the one that like actually managed to turn the ship somewhat Yeah, but would they have done that had youtube has not been so critical of seasons one exactly I don't know who knows who's to say but like I don't see the like he's he's like It really comes across as desperation to be in a golden age whether or not we actually are He wants us to just just chill out and be happy with the films that we've got so we can look back and be happy on it too If we did that then we would still have the original sonic design Yeah If there was no negative criticism then we'd have this you you wouldn't have gotten a sonic by the way There wouldn't have been like movies don't stop being bad because people stop making negative videos exactly. They'll get worse. I think absolutely If people don't if people are not kind of like pushed to improve and criticize then they'll keep carrying on thinking Oh, what we're doing is good. We why change which case the goal should be to improve the quality of the feedback So it's not about whether it's positive or negative. It's a matter of accuracy and intention And if there's negative feedback ain't going away, that's a debt that will never change That's the core human nature stuff If consequentialist stuff doesn't Like like convince anybody then I'll just appeal to basic honesty. I want to be honest about the films that I'm reviewing This guy is basically asking us to become positive at the expense of our honesty. So You know, I don't know how justifiable that is This is like brave new world kind of like it's either that or it's just the most frustrating Insinuation of bad intentions on everyone's part against like everyone doing it You know, if you genuinely believed that part of the problem was people pursuing a state of misery that we've got like a Serious psychological issue and some people just like being miserable. It's like man. That's like that goes well beyond film That's something else Like and and maybe that does need addressing in some way to perform I'm sure and then like, you know, the whole destruction of art Angle he said like you shouldn't have that as a motive. It's like that's something to be explored. What does that even mean? Only wants to destroy art. Do they love art at all? Or do they just hate the concept of people feeling things like what I don't understand like You know to brush over those so quickly when I believe from what I've gathered that that is the clearest I can get of his his issue because it's got nothing to do with being negative about stuff It's not it Do for the 70s and the 80s and the 90s And today the divide between critic and audience to heal.  Yeah I mean, I think that a lot of the Critics he's talking about the negative ones are actually a lot more in touch with their audiences than the people that make films that they're talking about are Since they do a lot of their shit online they get feedback those critics and so they know Grace Randolph is one that just shocked me.  They're just like, yeah, I thought the movie was kind of neat It has this this this and this this this it's not quite as good as this blah blah blah, you know seven out of ten whatever Perfectly normal. I doubt he would consider them a problem But I'm sorry. I just can't get over the whole like we need to heal the divide between critics and audience. That's funny This guy started writing an essay skipped over in Introduction then in the middle part. He just rumbled his way through It did feel very instead of conclusion.  He wrote them in notes and then sort of when you do it Yeah To well like when you this is why when you're growing up and you have those english or literature classes that talk about But you know when um, you know in in when you were you were growing up And you learned about the scientific method like formah hypothesis and all that sort of stuff That's like a guideline to you know explore the world and to you know find the truth And to see how things really work to kind of weed out your biases Like there's literally there's literary versions of that that you use when scripting You want to have like a general premise and then you want to eventually answer it like we all this is all in school I hope it still is but Like the fact that the title of his video Remained basically unanswered and then lied about Is sort of indicative of you just weren't really thinking about this when you were writing it He just sort of wrote this video would take fucking ages to make if you really wanted to be definitive about film criticism And whether or not like what role it plays in culture. It's like A chunky topic To see that criticism Can be Validating just like when roger ebert helped legitimize martin scorsese roger was the The very first person very early on in my life as a filmmaker To call attention to my work. It was 1968. I think and Over the years he's championed my movies. He wrote and spoke about them with great care and insight and criticism And was always this is the thing right that I think about clearly the point being made here is the Martin Scorsese is one of the best directors of all time and the Criticism slash like an appraisal of his film is is helpful of what brought him up You're like so you're saying good creators being given more exposure is good, correct?  Should we should how do we expect them to improve? If the score says he should rise Should the iwi bowl bowl Oh god, please don't remind me of his existence We watched an iwi bowl movie recently.  Yeah, it has ghibly It does john rise davies is in it. Oh my god How does this man do it? He doesn't do it anymore. He he he doesn't do it and he doesn't do it. He failed to do it He's never been able to do it Is there really for me when I needed support one kind or another like me a roger Care about the history of swatter and it's and and it's preservation He cared about its place in our culture in the culture of the world Thank god score says he is here to offer some insight in this video Yeah It's it's kind of funny because uh the matt daemon portion is really good too But hey, yeah, the matt daemon thing's insightful That it be accorded the respect it deserved really really disgusting spectacle rotten tomatoes in cinema score Aggregate sites my man.  They really do I mean, I think he would have been railing against it and throwing the money changes out of the temple And then when roger ebert said that video games can never be art Really just bad perspective that's one of those that's one of those okay boomer moments such an old man type So wrong there had to be some conveyance of ideas could never be art I'm so cringy isn't it? That's okay Ebert said that video games can never be art There had to be someone to go out there against him and say no playing halo split-screen till 3 a.m. Was an extremely transformative experience for me video games are Art and I am taking them That's not the argument I'd use to say that they're art. He almost is half meming.  I love them. Good for them. Yeah video games. You'll get the respect you deserve as time goes on As soon as he's not respecting yourselves A little bit of that. Yeah That is what criticism is all about to me. It's about Legitimizing art forms. It's about reaching. Should we delegitimize any art forms? And do you think that negativity plays a role in delegitimizing art? I wonder if film criticism is negative is it inherently delegitimizing if the answer is no then this title is just like It's just a this is just like an incorrect statement or at least like According to his sort of like normative claims, right? Like why would you make that point? So that would be the question That's just what if my art form is setting fire to things that don't belong to me Like that's that's an expression. You just legitimize that Is that a legitimate art form? Yeah Well, because as well he's I feel like he was about to get self aware He's like the the the critic has put out a point of view An expression of his point of view and someone else has been critical of it Which is important because he's delegitimizing art as sorry video games as art And so they they're countering that with what it would be a negative video. No saying raw jury, but is wrong That is negative And yet it's creating a positive How does this why I feel like the video's just started like we've finally gotten to something Like this is the second this is like second minute material here But we're almost at the end We've got like less than a minute left and we have like really not at all explored this concept Maybe this is part one Now to the audience and reassuring them that yes, this stuff is Meaningful Thank you. It's a positive force that will hopefully help us So weird because like when when I say someone's bad it is meaningful to me Stop with all the sentimental bollocks dude. Come on But the implication is that when we negative it's meaningless.  Oh delegitimizing Yeah, I'm still I'm still kind of stuck on that like What if what if the negative criticism isn't delegitimizing or its intent isn't to delegitimize then is it okay? Yeah, what if I don't know I go out and make a film and then someone who's a close friend or like I don't know student of mine or whatever Writes me a letter of criticisms about the film like very sincerely because they really want to see me succeed But now I mean that's what teachers should do imagine if teachers never offered negative criticism Well, it's just is that something they shouldn't do that they ought not do Yeah, and are they obliged to not be scathing when they do so like Yeah, like the edge of the spear for no reason What if what if they have the attitude of like, I don't know that's that's what they need to do They need to be like super raw and honest about what they thought that they should treat differently just because they know them personally like what if that was our attitude Is like again, is that something they ought not do because that's the tide That's the claim that the title suggests But I mean I feel like the title hasn't even like really addressed this Not the title the video hasn't addressed the central claim that film criticism should not be negative I think it's done a very good job of that at all Well and not to mention this uh idea of So, you know like a legitimizing delegitimizing Can I delegitimize because I I don't want the uh writing a script as we're filming the film to be considered a legitimate form of No, I don't want that to be the way that we do things. Yeah, I I don't like that Is that okay? Can we do it delegitimize that by being critical of it? I hope so Yep Or, you know delegitimize practices in the film industry like working vfx artists to the bone Unlike incredibly tight deadlines to push these films out as quick as possible And then if you were to talk about the negative outcomes of that how it reflects in the work and how it's bad for them Like that would be negative, right? That would be negative film criticism, but again, like if the intentions man, like this is like You probably could have never actually meaningfully addressed this topic in 25 minutes But like even then you could have done a decent job. I mean if you were really on task you could 25 minutes You could say a lot of stuff in the conclusion The big problems with any video come down to if they're lying if they have no passion for the topic If they're solely trying to make money in a sense that they're even that's not really a problem It's really the other things if your goal to make money leads you to being insincere That's the problem like It's that should be the conclusion that he feels and I wonder if you would agree to this I don't know, but if the film criticism community on youtube has become much less sincere It's it's unfortunate how people are not sharing how they actually think and feel about a thing They they instead share what they believe will make them the most money whether or not they believe it Like that's a video I can buy sure Um, I would still argue that that's just a thing for all of humanity at all times and that uh You know, you can you can tell the levels of sincerity with individual creators their accuracy and their passions just gonna be And you'll never stop it. You'll never stop people trying to make money or um People always seek personal success wealth and you know all that good stuff Reach new heights and and maybe just once Help us reach a state of content Rather than I don't want to be content. I don't know. I don't like this world yet I don't like this Something equilibrium. This is like someone selling me drugs.  Don't you want to be content and safe? So when you want it to be that we every day is hit on the youtube and we just show uh, movie has released movie is film I don't feel like it if everyone just said everything was good Not even thumbs up or down just thumb Like thumbs up is implied sideways forever I in a constant state Of contentiousness this music. Oh see Join me in my world of complete content. We've got our family guy's speech. Everything's going back to normal guys You'll never have to think outside of the box. You're safe in Consciousness, you know what that's some word play. That's kind of all right I disagree with the broad statements of the video, but you know, I you know a good job you I actually don't I don't mind that To be honest, I like the idea that you give something for thumbs and people like out of what you're like for thumbs How'd you do that? You just but that's the like in this neutral world of his Nothing is you just I give this thumbs and you're like, oh Sure, this neutral world with the four thumbs that it's like I give four thumbs and he holds his hands up And then he starts screaming his thumbs split in half to turn into Two additional thumbs to give the thumbs up This fractal of thumbs coming out of his hand A fractal what like um like uh, and Dr. Strange with all of the little fingers growing out of his hand You know out of his fingers more fingers and fingers This sounds like a scary place. Oh, is this a scary place? He had a moment there. Oh, he thinks he was like meaningful Oh, I guess not We never found out that was meaningful. He just put a bit up and to be like, hey, come on. It's not We don't have to do deep You can't criticize the town because I'm I have no strong feelings one way or the other That's what it truly feels like he was We got the oversimplification of film criticism there From him as well. I wonder if that's just about wrong tomatoes. I guess Wow It doesn't mean anything I mean it feels suitable to Maybe check that out on top of this one quick. See what he says. Uh, yeah, sure. We can take a look. I'm curious Feels like a good time Let's have a look I'm curious about that star wars one about, uh The empire strikes back isn't really star wars Hold on Is movie good or bad 100 years of arguing between critics and audiences has led us okay to this Cool, we can now all That we are not even But Does that question serve us in the first place? I've had the idea for this video floating around in my head for a while now And I was just kind of debating whether or not it was worth don't need this button All right, that's a really make but between the rock the answer is yes I remember that I do remember that. Yeah, we talked about it. It's yeah, it's the do you finish Films before rating them thing the fantano gives every denzel curry album an eight controversy and this weird Morbius tweet, uh, I feel like this topic is now reached critical Audiences love movies the critics won't want you to see it the question is why trust the people and see Oh, you're uh, you are alive the critics don't want you to see it Oh my god But threats weren't allowed on youtube. Nope or be a sweet, uh I feel like this topic is now reached critical mass and i'm gonna talk about it I feel like the real root cause of all of these things that have been popping up that I just mentioned Is really just a case of human beings Loving to simplify things we love to boil isn't that so interesting in the context of the previous video? Yeah, loving to simplify things like categorizing A lot of the time and it's a simpler way to categorize we like understanding the world around us Who wired to do it into their essence and make them as digestible as possible because We're lazy and thinking is hard ever since that I don't like that as the reason but all right. We'll go with it He's a sh!t. Lungfish surfaced literally everything has just continued to get worse human consciousness Was this the lungfish? He's just got it. He just got out of the water man. We really got a lot to thank him for okay. Yeah He is a he is a real pioneer that one Like all human conceptions of life itself It seems that the ways that we engage with art or criticism are no stranger to societal simplification Let's go back to the rotten tomatoes page for the uncharted movie. All right How 90 percent of people enjoyed that damn really get calculated Well to give you the simple version Basically if a film critic gives a film a six out of ten or higher that is considered a fresh review Why don't like rotten tomatoes? No six six will be constituted as like positive So it needs to be a six to be oh And then if it's like five point nine or lower then it's rated as rotten And this is why meta critic is better than rotten tomatoes, by the way Giving me like the average of the number score is way more useful than just telling me what percentage of people Yeah, this is a very skewed Well, it's just good. What does good mean, you know if you give it like a six out of ten That like it could be that a film gets a hundred percent because everybody gave it a six out of ten And that's like I think people will look at that 100 and go. Oh my god. It must be a masterpiece It's like no, it could just be that everybody thought it was really like slightly above average It was really slightly above average Yeah, it's whereas again with like meta critic which even then using like number aggregates It's still like uh, you know like but at least it's the aggregate of the number score that was given to a film That's way more you I can see all those one to fives They don't just disappear You take the total amount of fresh reviews versus the total amount of reviews period Average that out and boom. You got your tomato meter score. The entirety of the site is dead again. Here it is again again Yeah, the beautiful tunes to boiling reviews down to was movie good or bad and barfing out a percentage based on that It is far too simplistic and honestly. Yeah, I mean true, but it's simultaneously That's what it is. Yeah, like it's yeah Who's going to it being like I wish to have a complicated review that has thumb up or down We'll just I I think all of these sites and I don't use them But this is what they do if you think that I don't do you want them to be more complex? I don't understand you'd be like going to someone who makes a six-hour video being like why can't you just say movie bad? Do you all know that cuties are sitting at 87 percent with the critics still? Yeah, that's why that's why rotten tomatoes can just maybe we don't heal the divide between critics and audience I don't know how this video It's gonna turn out, but I think it's it's a bit stronger than the last one in terms of it's like I think most people hate the introduction rotten tomatoes, especially but the aggregate sites as as like a form of approval of film I'm not against that idea, but I am kind of like it's like oh, this is too simple It's like it it is literally meant to be simple. That's not the criticism Simple isn't bad Exactly. Metacritic is simple Steam when it says more simple because it doesn't even like do anything to it If I'm it's like if you want to if you want to be clear don't speak in parables, you know If I'm considering picking up a game And steam says overall reviews are overwhelmingly positive. I'll be like, oh, this is easy then.     I've always just like, hmm. I wonder what that'll mean once I've seen the film I'll be able to know probably Um, because like you know if they say like indiana jones the dial of destiny If you if someone told you it has 100 fresh you'd be like, okay If someone told you it has zero percent completely rotten you'd be like wow Uh, okay, but is that gonna tell you whether or the film is any good? It's like we all know no We we we all know that that's gonna give us shit all information Because critic schools are weird, but it's kind of the same with audience schools You get that every once in a while where audiences are really happy or sad is something where you're like, what why? No average person who isn't cannibalized by internet movie culture the way that maybe you are and the way that I Definitely am the average person is not going to read all that and they're going to have absolutely no clue as to How all of this works Well, that's a lot of words Too bad i'm not reading them chat um, I Find the the I guess the point then is more so the damage it does to the average Viewer of this site. Maybe yeah I mean, yeah, I just I feel bad for anybody who thinks that like fresh or rotten is definitive and reliable Like oh, yeah, that sucks that you didn't know otherwise You know, it's it's something that's uh, it's something that people had kind of wore when it comes to like video game reviews from like outlets Um, it seems like people are less aware of it with films It's like what what is an opinion worth if you don't really know like who said it and what their metric is for like good or bad You know If a family member of mine was like I went to see Fucking new marvel movie and they said fresh on rotten tomatoes and I didn't think it was good And I was like, oh You thought it was gonna be good just because that Yeah, like who's they do you often agree with what they have to say like who are they you know who are these critics Who's uh perspectives and why and why what were they looking for out of films, you know? Uh, because everybody looks for something different out of films, right? And to be honest with you, I've talked to plenty of people who are quote-unquote normies when it comes to film I don't remember any of them Going about her rotten tomatoes is reliable. No, I mean, uh Yeah Well, no grace randolph speaks very highly of rotten tomatoes I will have you know Which is funny because she's subsumed by like internet culture and yet she's like rotten tomatoes reliable She should be the person who is most wary of it, but uh Mato meter score out of the equation entirely here for a second because I don't think that's the biggest problem with rotten tomatoes To me rotten tomatoes biggest offense is that in its attempt to simplify everything into two rigid categories critics an audience good and bad, etc Basically in doing so it is completely alienating the user from actively engaging with the criticism aside from giving What I feel like don't you just have to nobody? Yeah, nobody has ever used these scores as a substitute for discussion You just click on no one. Yeah It's yeah, it shows you which critics from where and then it gets the link to the full review in the date of what they said And if that got a six or less Oh, it even says a specific ratings there. I'm happy to hate on rotten tomatoes, but this doesn't seem fair So if they're looking for the number they'll go and look at the number and they won't look at the rest But if they're looking for reviews, they will look at the reviews These two things aren't like mutually exclusive with one another. It's not like people are doing one at the expense of the other Pony blurbs from the critics or generalizing the overall critical opinion into a consensus Rotten tomatoes is not really interested at all in allowing you to interface or Motherfuck you got a link to full review Look, you have all of all of the people that are registered to be critics on rotten tomatoes It has links to the full review their original scores. It has their little blurb the date It has I mean That's just not true, man. I don't think this is fair. You can't you're showing the thing It's on the screen and you're saying that it's not like at this point You're showing it you need to take issue with the people writing the reviews Like what what else is rotten tomatoes supposed to do now if you agree with it and like But being like, oh, there's just not enough discussion happening. It's like you got to do some clicking It's right there. You might have to do the I mean if you got to rotten tomatoes That's arguably more difficult than clicking on the full review link. I don't know rags. I feel like he's delegitimizing this outform Oh, yeah, this is some negative criticism of rotten tomatoes that I quite frankly don't appreciate I would like to be much more. We need to mend. We need to heal. Yes The divide between rotten tomatoes and humanity. I agree. Yes Otherwise engage with any of the reviews Yes, rotten tomatoes does allow users to see which critic reviews are posted and gives the users the option to read the full review But you and I both know that isn't the objective of the website as a whole So here's the thing. I kind of think it is Rotten tomatoes does not if it wasn't their objective, like it's a lot of work I guess why would they just not have it as an option.  Yeah, it is like I don't agree with their Their their methodology for determining determining freshness, right?   What is it? It's like well, they basically only experience it through is it fresh or is it rotten? You're like, um, okay. There's some viabilities of that. We discussed and I was like, okay And he's like and you know, there's just no real way to just like get a good discussion on the movies Like well, there is you click it and then he's like, yeah, but that's not the point of the site What Well, you know what I guess that makes it a bad website That's really useful for this thing that it doesn't want to do but did or whatever. It doesn't change anything. It's so weird Views that the data is being pulled from there is nothing personal about this at all. It is just Personal Opinions of people in their entire articles This is just passing information. Like what you got here is what they're presenting to you, which is you get everybody's perspective Rounded up or down based on five or six if you understand the rules and then aggregate it out That's what that is and if you're like, yeah, but that's not very personal. It's like, of course, it's not very What does that even mean? Isn't that the point of rating websites to make it less personal and objective, you know, try to calculate it Yeah, there's I think making it less personal is probably just a natural byproduct of, you know, Objectification in some elements, but um simplifying it all the way up in tears without, you know That's what we're doing here. Halo gets 70 percent. I don't care. Well, so I was about to say actually You can scan through these lists and the interest can be like, oh, is there any hundred percent? Oh, there is peeky behind a season six. Oh, I wonder how that got a hundred percent It's like, well, it's probably just a series of, you know, six out of ten pluses Probably some high ones in there as well Hyperlinked in a organized columns. Well, that's the thing if if you then said more, why are you looking at that? You can't gain anything. I'm like, well, I'm just curious about the overall score if I am if I want to know why I can click it This is the most like basic interaction. This is if anything good I'm kind of baffled like, oh this Summarization of the scores of these things are all very impersonal unless you click them Which this the site doesn't want you to do apparently very strange Burrs and symbols that inherently mean nothing to you for example Okay, so they mean what they mean So All so numbers and symbols generally while they don't have inherent meanings. They have what we called shared understandings I don't want to have to explain what language is but I feel I don't really want to get into it I'm very Weirded out by this it is an aggregate site. It's it's on the tin. That's what's promised. That's what it means The reason why we don't think is very meaningful is because of the fact that the people who are telling us these numbers all change all the time Could be a different group of them could be they feel different things on the day. Who knows what they value That's why I prefer individuals and when Someone I trust recommends a movie and says like oh, it's it's about as good as this other movie that I have opinions I was like, oh that that translates an idea very quickly. However, if I want to know how the world feels About anything in particular. I'd rather go to Metacritic because I think they're much more straightforward But you could go to Rotten Tomatoes. You could check out good It seems like it's a decent essentially hub to find links to all of the individual articles Written by internet critics. That does seem like it's quite useful for that But whoever does that that's the problem. How many people do actually click through and read and How many of them even read the blurb? That's not a fault of the site though, is it? No, no, no, that's a fight That's a fault of the user that the site presents you all the information you need to get more information It's just a lot of people won't pursue it. Yeah Who named for me just one Just one critic whose reviews regularly go up on Rotten Tomatoes. Bob Chipman Yeah Wait the movie Bob's review is actually on Rotten Tomatoes. You know who else's do Chris Randolph Chris Stuckman too. He got his on Rotten Tomatoes as far as I know Who's the boring guy? Chris Stuckman Chris Stuckman, yeah I mean, it's yeah, all these a lot of youtubers and stuff they their stuff goes on there Ados besides maybe Chris Stuckman or the infamous Oh my god Because we didn't mention almond white. So there you go. We won.  I'm like, no Titan's a film criticism like movie Bob First would read it. I can't tell you a single name and I have been looking at scores on Rotten Tomatoes for at least So who's the problem and pay attention. Who's the problem?  I don't know This is a you problem. I can't explain why you don't know the names. They're there No more than we would At least the past 12 years. I can't tell you any of these people's names I can't tell you what they regularly if you are using the site. I don't know why you don't recognize the names If yeah, I If you visit enough and read enough reviews, I feel like you would eventually just get some names by chance Like I love that he says like you can't count chris. It's like why Why not? Why can't you count chris?  They're villains. They're destroying, you know movies and cinema and now it's Rotten Tomatoes like Who are we destroying actually like what? In every sense We are coming off as villains the Rotten Tomatoes is a villain in this case. Well, I mean, who are we protecting? Really? Like what is his point? I'm so confused So there's this theoretical person who looks at Rotten Tomatoes sees that the witch has a low score Or you know, that's not the case but let's pretend it is and they go, uh, well That's not for me And he's there like it would have been for you But you trusted a site that is so bad in the way that it aggregates things and that's bad But then like he's got there's something to that That was the one of the first points you made that we were talking about.  I checked the Rotten Tomatoes and it says the critic score is 83 like Click into it and it says this is a fun romp filled with all kinds of cameos You will be excited to see the next chapter after this one and then the next review says like I just oh Laugh a minute. I couldn't stop laughing at all the amazing cameos I'm just like you start to get a picture.  I've done it a couple times on real bbc now It's uh, and it's often interesting to get into the minds of the critics. They are weird Sometimes the things that they celebrate or uh criticize But you know, he's saying now like my problem is I don't even know if they're genuine Oh, well, I mean, I guess that's always going to be a problem for you You'll never know for sure what everyone's saying. I mean Rotten Tomatoes is known as a site filled with shills We get on the critic side, but that that's just down to you is what you think Maybe if you learned their names and you learned their work previously you can have a better grasp on it The singular biggest reason that youtube has become an overwhelming hub for film criticism Is because it is inherently more personal than a website. We just said what I said Rotten Tomatoes could ever hope to be if you subscribe. I don't even know if that's fair though Well, we're on I mean this Rotten Tomatoes is like more of a gateway to those individuals rather than the hub for it You know grace Randolph's youtube channel is much more personal than grace Randolph's articles reviewing films Like well, yeah, because she's like vlogging you can even see her she's talks about more random shit I guess because the article is much more focused I don't know. It just seems like yeah, of course they are Fibed to this channel. It's probably not just because I dissected a film or a particular topic But because I made you feel something while I did it and the more films that I talk about The more that you will understand my tastes and the more that you'll hopefully relate to them Oh, wow. This is all just like yeah, so Well, yeah, so that could you could you get the problem?   Oh, when did this video come out? That probably came before it before yeah here. I'll take a look. This came out a year ago All right. Okay. All right.  Like it's maybe yeah, maybe the commenter just misworded it like why don't you have more views? Hmm Oh here. Oh meep tops response if I had to guess it's probably because Semicolon I cover a variety of topics on a platform where catering to a Specified niche is preferred the topics I choose are not often ones that align with common or trending searches And my average click-through rate and average view duration are somewhat low across the board Because of the former things I listed Also, I'm not very fun at part. Who knows really? I just at that point watching the video all the way through and engaging with it in the form of a like and comment helps a ton So thank you. You just want to ask him, right? It's gonna be like you you should be popular shouldn't you? Yeah You should have lots of views what he said was weird. Why wouldn't it just be like, oh, you know, who knows? Well, I mean he's doing everything right the production is great.  It could be anyone except for Nutsa and Theo True. Well, it is CJ. I'm so sorry to reveal it. That was going to be a season ending finale thing, but I've spoiled it early. Yeah Um, I mean Everyone go home. It's uh, it's it's been a it's been a journey I think you've come you've learned a lot about film criticism I think this is going to feed right into every video you make going forward, right? You have learned a lot. No, I'm gonna stop. I can't carry on I I randomly looked over a telegram and it just so happens that someone boasts this picture That's relevant. This is relevant to CJ leaving. Yes Playing movies are good But before you go tell people where you are and what you're up to and what they can expect to happen next Adventure Well, well, I'm uh back from our holiday and working on videos again hoping to get The next big video out sometime in june probably late june at this rate, um The scooby suit may appear again. We will we'll have to see It I don't want to give away too much right now, but it might be the most controversial Video I've ever made. Oh in terms of what's in it or just a broad opinion of it in terms of what's in it Okay, all right, like I'm not sure how I'm gonna get this video monetized if at all so We'll we'll see Yeah But I'm excited Gonna be uh, maybe controversial Yeah, yeah, that's exactly where I'm gonna I'm gonna do a frame by frame breakdown of a Serbian film Well, link in chat and description. Thank you so much for joining us All right. Thanks for having me. It was really fun. Good to see you. Yeah Always fun. You have a good night now Toodaloo boy boy. Bye. Bye Alrighty To its greatest potential, but of course we're not just gonna sit here and sniff our own farts. YouTube is not perfect Not even close. I mean for starters the algorithm I love the sim soundtrack Right Especially if those videos are going to elicit anger which is It comes with a whole slew of problems one of which being that these videos are Mate, this will give us insight into like how he got where he was. Maybe we'll hear something new here Yeah, just thought all slew of problems one of which being that these videos are often very devoid of substance Or critical thinking and also see this is that's a completely different issue. That's a very different issue Yeah, devoid of substance or critical thinking.  I'm not even I don't know Anymore long is quite liked by the algorithm. It seems to depend Specifically what you're doing in criticism long is definitely on the rise So, yeah, this maybe it's more complicated than length now. It's something else Out of the window unless you are willing I mean I know for a fact that people talk about like back in the day when it first started It was just view count then it was view counts on longer videos then it became audience retention I think that's like currently the most important thing. How long can you keep someone on a video? Algorithm like what what youtube likes they want you to make videos that can Grab people in for as long as possible. Yeah Essentially the more and the longer that people watch your video the better Yeah, um, because people might say like what about shorts? It's like that's still what shorts are, right? They they they're like a hot potato. They pass you on or pass you on pass you on So as long as I can grab you for 10 seconds and then the next one does too and the next one does too Eventually, you'll be grabbed for hours on end Which is also something a long video can do some ads I don't know how shorts work because the interface and the like design of them is so Shit tier that I just don't even engage with them but I mean, hey, remember, I think you know the whole vine thing started at all. Yeah Playing to make Hours long videos on the regular that people are willing to watch all the way through not to mention that the youtube community often Loves to just take a critic's score or rating at face value even though as we've already established Schools mean nothing And how does that factor in with this little asterisk down there? What was the asterisks? Just uh, especially if they've already formed their own strong opinion of the work being reviewed, which I will never understand They were Yeah, we need to roll them back even further because now i'm getting a bit lost That the youtube community often loves to just take a critic's score or rating at face value Even though as we've already, uh, especially if the viewer has already formed a strong opinion. Okay so They will take the creators Score at face value, even if they've already got their own point of view That's you can't know that you can't that's a huge generalization All right, what's bad about it though? Is that bad the format kind of necessitate hearing out the creator? Well, but like so if if someone says why mess thought of the batman is a six out of ten Um, and I have my own view on the batman what? Is that bad that I now take his score at face value? I believe that he believes I'm just confused What's the problem seems like he's building like a strautism where you know You see someone gave a film you like a six out of ten and you just write them off Oh I I think that's what he's angling for but I have honestly no idea because most Like number slash rating style things are usually towards the end of the video So you kind of have to hear them out unless you just skip through Established those scores mean nothing without the entire context of the rest of the review and critics I mean less I hate to say it but they mean what they mean and you'd be like what? They mean what they mean and I mean by that is the the context around them What does the number mean that's literally a number and that's it delivered by bob It's like well, it's not really much of anything. I guess I could get an indication But if I'm familiar with all of yms's work and then a number from him that that means something very significant and specific compared to bob I don't even know why this is difficult. It's it's a number. We're again talking about that speed thing I get to know something really quickly. It cost me nothing Versus watching an hour long deep dive. I could do that too. That's going to take an hour Why are we shitting on numbers for being quick and simple when that is like their point? Why they exist they do quick and simple General but also especially on youtube have this horrible tendency to just take the exact template that has been laid out across various screenwriting books Or joseph camples here with a thousand faces or previous films in a series They just they just take all these ideas They take them all and they just slap them on to what why would you do that to those books? Why would you do that to those books?  I don't care. Yeah, I'm fine with that.  I don't know. I can't know and I don't want to know Yeah, I mean that's about all of it.      You'll make like some really broad and strange statement That you'll just immediately say no not that though like, okay Caveats just injected into scripts can like seriously damage the flow Of an argument damages my mental health. I am fine with caveats, but his ones have been retarded The film criticism should not be negative, but that's not to say it can't be negative Sass especially if they want to be a filmmaker or a film critic All I'm saying is that nah, they don't need to know history of film if they want to be a film critic I've talked about this before I am fine if in fact I'm kind of interested in the idea of listening to someone talk about film when they've never even known what film is as a concept And also, where do you begin? And how do you know that you have a sufficient understanding of the history of film before you are now allowed arbitrarily to be a film critic? Yeah, I don't like it. I don't like it I just want to listen to what they say based on what they saw and heard and No, we need to define whether they're a critic or not so that we can on that metric define whether or not we have to listen What they have to say Yeah, because the most insightful thing you ever hear from anybody It's not made more or less insightful by knowing that they are aware of I don't know film history necessarily. It's usually the thing they said Something that's often been well not often but occasionally gets said is that it is really very interesting to see what somebody creates when they aren't As familiar with all of the tropes or uh storytelling devices or three act structure or things like that Yeah, when you're not like inform like where you've learned so much about him. Yeah, exactly I want to I tell you I want to go back in time and then snatch deba from the ancient egyptian days and show him a movie And be like what do you think of this? Why him specifically? Well, so a long time ago. I watched a little sort of like documentary thing on the history channel Is it many years ago about the construction of the pyramids? It was told from the perspective of someone whose brother deba Died in a construction accident when they were making the pyramids And so for whatever reason that name just kind of stuck with me as an egyptian name Also, um Austin said not really for any uninformed creatives taking over properties. They don't care about has not worked well That's clearly not what's being discussed right now. We're not saying we give a random person control over star wars I I also don't think people we're talking about those people are if anything Extremely influenced by tropes and modern movie expectations and storytelling stuff Yeah, well, you should draw from what freerien saying instead isn't we give star wars? For example to any random person even one that has no familiarity film It would be there should be no one who is exempt from trying to make a film Just because they have no familiarity with film doesn't mean they can't try to make one We should allow it in the same way and talking about yeah, I'm talking about them The you should not be like when you're about to upload the video. It's like well, how familiar are you with film?  Well, I am just over being invested in whether or not a critic Or a lot of critics has come to an overall positive or negative conclusion about a film Or any other piece of art for that matter or whether or not that conclusion that they've come to Perfectly aligns with my own opinion. Okay. What what okay? Sure, man It's totally fine I mean the vast majority of people who use rotten tomatoes is literally just gonna be a time saver That's it. I mean like is this thing? Oh, that's rotten. Uh, maybe I'll go with the fresh one And as simple as that and I think he's like you're missing The detailed and further understanding the heart of the creation you barely understand anything It's like, yeah, I know I got to go to work tomorrow.  I try my best. I have to pick a movie now judge a review based on That person engages with the art girlfriend reviews and naked jakey walked away with Completely opposite emotional reactions to the last of us two and I think both of their videos on the subject Are brilliant pieces of analysis again is not what does that? Okay, one of them was negative. They're down form different conclusions That's true Well, this was this was a different time This is the Not the opinion he's evolved as a critic Ultimately matters it is how that opinion was formed and how much you personally resonate with their approach because sure But Love this shit it's priceless We get made fun of this all the time yet all of them think it they just don't say it If I stepped outside and said it's my opinion, it's thunderstorming right now Ain't no one would say that that is a valid opinion. No, that's just not an opinion right see That's how they get around that you don't have an opinion there. You just you're just wrong Yeah, it's not it's not you know, you can't have opinions on matters of objective reality I guess or something whatever But the an opinion can be horribly misinformed. Ah, there it is. Say wrong Say wrong or otherwise in bad faith. Do you know that's not the same thing? No being being misinformed and being in bad faith are not the same thing I just love it though He's managed to squeeze himself into being able to be like your opinion. Shit now and it's like, whoa, you can't do that He's like I can Because I said I could It's pretty negative This is the old he moved on from this is him before he he this is him Before he is a caterpillar and this is before he has now is the bottom of his chrysalis and he is I don't know blossomed as a beautiful butterfly Expect me to treat a detailed and knowledgeable analysis of the batman with the same amount of value As somebody just giving it a zero out of ten on metacritic because their six-year-old pissed themselves while they watched it I don't understand the point here. Like yeah, of course I guess is it because like What he pissed himself because he was scared of Riddler Thanks, Hollywood for scaring my You shouldn't take your six-year-old to see the batman. No, of course not.  I took my child to this He pissed all over me.  This would normally be the part of the video where your child can fit inside of the popcorn bucket They should not watch this film I just can't believe that we got to this far It's near the end of the video and his final thing is like I don't take as seriously a review that someone got like pissed on as I do an hour long deep dives like Yeah, thanks for the insightful commentary, buddy. Great Everything disagrees with you nobody disagrees with you except I guess maybe the person who wrote that review And maybe they don't disagree with you, you know, you know, all I can really say about that opinion is that's safe Point but that kind of Is the point, isn't it that nothing about the way we engage with art can be perfectly condensed into a compact little youtube video Thank you. Numbers aren't perfect to consume neither They were never gonna be never intended to be they were just indicative and quick Art is human. It is messy. Oh my god. It's complicated Dude, art is the human elite's shot Have you ever considered that art is human? It's fragile Like I just want to know You're doing your Bruce Wayne voice thing about this film That's not Bruce Wayne I wonder if dolphins are swimming around and they're like I'm arranged some seashells to look like a Like a I don't know some seaweed look at that.  Unless they're like insane I just feel like every time he like highlights, you know, someone summarizes the acting the soundtrack the pacing the cinematography the Whatever and then the other guy says it's a six And then he's like see there's much more insight in the first guy. It's like, yeah, but second guy's quicker He'd be like Yes, because it's just a number and it's like Yeah Do you see how this happened because then the guy who said all the things that you said was more insightful He's pretty quick compared to the guy who does the hour video and then that guy's pretty quick compared to the other guy Does a seven hour video and so on You're wild Here's some final thoughts. It's important to have a nuance take on a film and to try and engage with isn't it Gonna be simple. Can you feel like that was shit? I don't know When you see cocaine bag, could you just be like well, that was fun No film is undeserving of the nuance there I don't know man No, they worked hard on that movie. So I think it deserves, you know a bit of nuance Hell, yeah If nuance leads me to more an accurate accurate observations and conclusions, then, you know show With the film on its own terms Don't attempt to oversimplify everything Use your brain. Well, like saying that negative criticism should not like exist I don't know man. Yeah, this is getting a little bit weird It sounds like he's saying think critically, but also don't be negative think critically be self aware Um actively engage Fucking music Make art not content art is the enemy of democracy Thank you for watching this mess art is the enemy of democracy. All right. Let's go go out and see who we got it from Art is the enemy of democracy What is that? Where did that come from? Let's see. This is quote fans for gore vidal art is not a democracy. In fact art is the enemy of democracy Is the idea that community made like or approved art is shit um I don't know if I even care to like figure out what that means I just it comes across pretty cringe. It sounds to me like a quote that has a lot to do with its context So just trotting it out outside of that context I don't know when I type in that quote the third thing on the list from google is a guardian article that says the best art Is born from democracy Looks like there's a debate to be had Art is the enemy of democracy I would have to sit and really ponder what that's trying to say, but it doesn't pass the smell check He's laughing as he says it. He's joking. Come on. That's not quite how that works It's a real gore vidal quote. No, no, just watch the way that he does it now. I can explain intent art is the enemy of democracy Thank you for watching this mess. Why do you do you plan it or yeah, I just did you know Did not like I didn't didn't do it. Yeah. Okay. Well, nobody else or that's fine. It works for me Yeah, so do you see the way you deliver that? I just don't get it. I guess it's more of a it would be like if I said um You know evil is evil is a part of human nature I'll see you next time. So I said see he laughs. He doesn't believe it. We're like well No, it's more of a like Acknowledgment that this is a reality. The problem isn't it's not even I don't even know if I disagree I have no idea what he means by it.  So I like I fully believe he believes in the quote I'm just not exactly sure how he would apply it Which is weird because saying that art is the enemy of democracy. Does that imply that