Welcome to the ITU studio at the World Telecommunication Development Conference in Dubai, the United Arab Emirates. Today I'm very pleased to be joined by Susan Shaw, who is the head of Special Initiatives Division for BDT at the ITU. Susan, thanks so much for being with us today. Pleasure. Now, you've just recently released a report on digital opportunities which covers innovative ICT solutions for youth employment. I thought we'd talk a little bit about that today. Perhaps you could give us a little bit of an overview of this report. Well, as we know, many countries around the world are struggling with escalating rates of youth unemployment. And what the report covers is that digital solutions can and should be incorporated into national strategies to combat youth unemployment. It talks about the need for improving digital literacy skills among youth worldwide. And it also talks about incorporating innovative ICT solutions in the promotion of entrepreneurship, for example. The reason that digital literacy skills are so important is because ICTs have transformed all market segments from traditional segments of agriculture and manufacturing to new market segments that didn't exist a couple of years that are totally generated by ICTs, such as the apps economy. According to the report, there's a bit of a skills mismatch. Is there at the moment with that? That's correct. So the report notes that the market is demanding certain skills and finding that today's youth don't have those skills. So while there are employers out there seeking to hire people, they don't have the right skills. And one of the key skills they don't have are digital literacy skills. There's also a lot of opportunities being generated by the ICT industry. That's true. So for example, the report highlights a lot of business opportunities that young people could benefit from, including micro work and crowdsourcing. So micro work is allowing employers that have a large task to break it down into mini tasks and then distribute that work globally, including in developing countries where young people could be hired to do that kind of work. And in the same way crowdsourcing is doing, following that model in some examples, or taking a bigger project and finding skilled workers to do that project. And there is a crowdsourcing company called Crowdflower that hires people in 70 countries around the world. So it demonstrates that these ICT skills, if youth have them, can lead to jobs both in developed and developing countries. Talking about skills, how can we equip young people for the skills that they need for the digital world? Well, one of the premises of the report is that it would be ideal if young people are learning these skills in school while they're in school. So it argues that digital literacy should become part of the curriculum in schools. But it also addresses out-of-school youth and saying that we have many telecenters, libraries and other community ICT centers. So if we can train the managers of those public spaces to be curators of all the free online training materials there, then they can work with young people when they come into the center and direct them to the right resources. We're talking about crowdsourcing as one method of employment and creating employment. Obviously, young people nowadays are also, apart from job seekers, they're also job creators. How can we carry on encouraging that? Sure. So one of the things, the other thing that the report highlights, is how young digital entrepreneurs have a completely new way of doing business. So one model that works very effectively is to have tech hubs or incubators or run mobile app labs, hackathons, maker fairs where young people work together. For the incubators, what's going on there is the young people are finding the resources they need. They're finding internet connectivity, shared office space, and then the shared office space has the additional benefit because the young entrepreneurs mentor each other. And then there's constantly a new wave of people coming in, some people going out, and some people coming in so that they create networks. And then there's online networking that continues after that. And finally, what about ITU's role? How can ITU inspire action? Well, ITU can inspire action by raising visibility for this issue and raising visibility for the many digital opportunities there are to combat youth unemployment. That's why we've released this report. We have also developed a database of all the online resources that we've been able to find in multiple languages across the world so that people that don't have the digital literacy skills that they want can find that, can do that online if they're motivated. We also have lots of links to things like CrowdFlower and other support services for young entrepreneurs. Susan, well thank you very much for being with us today. My pleasure. And thank you for being with us too. You can find out more details of the report at the ITU website.


Thank you so much for coming. I appreciate it. This is my first talk at WorkCamp US. So bear with me if I have a little nerve. Thank you. So this slide here was how I started out, because you know this is US. I was trying to be serious and stuff, but I decided that this morning I'm gonna just be myself. Is that okay? So this is more me, okay? So this is a shout out to my Black Press people. This is us from last year, but this is a more the kind of a slide that I would be putting up, okay? So I am so grateful and thankful that you guys came this morning. How many here? This is your first WorkCamp ever? Wow. Awesome. Welcome. I love this community. I cannot wait to talk to all of you. And how many of you, this is your first WorkCamp US ever? Amazing. Amazing. So I thank you for joining me. So I put a lot of words on my slides because I am in a New Yorker. I speak fast. I have an accent. So you make, you can take all the pictures you'd like. So don't mind me. So I thank you for joining me as we embark on this journey. And I'm so passionate. I want this to be a vibrant, accessible community, right? So these are some of my ideas.  So you're gonna get a whole lot of both today, okay? So she already told you about me. This is some of my artwork that's behind me here. But during the day, I am a florist. So I purposely came like this today. And the reason I did is because no florist artist that looks in my hair with all my hair to be, and this is part of why I really, really wanted to do this talk today. I want to dedicate this talk to my mom. She was into technology. This is a true story. My mom, when we were teenagers, came into the house with a brand new computer, and she said, look what I got. And then she said, how do I turn it on? And of course, you know, as teenagers, we started laughing like, ah, you bought a computer, you don't have to turn it on. And my mom was like, okay, watch me. My mom joined a computer club, and my mom began building computers from scratch. And before my mom passed away, she had her own computer company where she was building computers. That's how I got into technology, because my job was to put the programs on and make sure that they were working correctly. So this is for her. But this is also for every, and as a Latina, like I said, for every Latina who was told that you need to grow up, get married, have babies, have a good husband, and that'll be a good life, was not for me. And I thank God for my mom, because she was all about education. I also grew up in Brooklyn, New York. And when you grow up in a neighborhood like I grew up in, all they tell you is get a good job, and you really don't strive for a whole lot more than that.  And you know, he was told, black men don't blog. So for everyone who's been told that you are whatever it is, this is for you. If you were told that you don't belong in this space, I'm telling you that you belong.  So this is our WordPress story. Like I tell you, I met my husband years ago, and he was the first one to tell me about what WordPress was. And he told me about these things called word camps. He was like, you ever heard of it? I'm like, no. And that was way back in 2014. But we did not come to our first word camp until 2018. So these are some of the pictures through the years, the one with the smiley face there that's us in word camp Miami, my very first word camp ever, where I not only volunteered at the 10th anniversary of word camp Miami at the registration table, which was total mayhem. Okay. I was like, oh my gosh. And then at a certain point they said, hey, we need to volunteer to be an emcee in the room. Would you be an emcee? And I was like, sure. So I was a room emcee. And then later on he's like, hey, you're talking with me. And I was like, what? He's like, yeah, you're going to come speak with me. And I ended up speaking. So at the end of the day, he comes to me, he says, hey, do you think you would be willing to do this all the time? And I was like, yeah, I sure would be willing to do this all the time. And the rest is history. We've been doing this all the time. We've been to Costa Rica, to Canada. We just came back from word camp Europe, where I was an organizer. So this is a wonderful place to get started. So why do I want to do this? The main reason I want to do this is, and you could read this, but I'm just going to tell you, I love this community so much. And there are so many people here that, as a matter of fact, by a short hand, how many of you are passionate about this community? I'm like, we're like, this is like, I don't even know how to explain.  It can be. It's that kind of community. But there's so many things that over the years that I've seen that are starting to change. And I'd like to see us really get back to the basics, back to the beginners and the creatives, because there needs to be space for those who are creatives into this, in this community. And if we really want to democratize the web, we need to make sure that every voice is considered valuable and that everyone feels like they belong. So let's redefine beginners and creatives. So these pictures here, if you see the little kids, that's my daughter. Of course, that's one of my daughters. I drag her in on these pictures. There's also my granddaughter all the way on the, to you guys, all the way on the right. She's the one with the little bandana. My husband and I also have done what's called kids camps here. So those are from 7 to maybe 14 where they come and they learn about WordPress. And we, you know, put together activities for them. So in that particular one, the bandana that she has, it was a pirate theme. And we had the kids going around talking to the sponsors and to the volunteers and they had to collect pirate booty by taking pictures of it and bringing it back. But beginners to me isn't just someone who doesn't know anything about computers, okay, or anything about technology. A beginner could be some of you who've been here. This is your first time here. That's a beginner, right? A beginner could be a business owner who's been working on WordPress forever, but now all of a sudden they're like, you know, I feel stuck or they want to be a part of something bigger. So I don't want you to think of beginners as someone who doesn't know anything or someone who's not done this before. It could be someone who's just new to the community. And that's where my focus is, is not just they don't know how to use technology, but more this is someone who's new to the community.  I just happen to paint, but I also am a writer. I want you to think about musicians. I want you to think about that person down the street. You know, I grew up in New York City, so anybody here from New York? All right. Exactly.  And they may not be artists, but in their own way they're very artistic and creative. And like I said, I did all of this not for show because I actually, this is mine and I love it, but I do this because I want you to look at people as people and know that every single person, you know, wherever you are, they're welcome here. Maybe you don't know how they'll fit in, but give them an invitation and find a way for them, and they'll find their way in. So, for the numbers. So, 20 years, right? 20 years of WordPress. Let's give them a hand. Yay! Happy birthday, WordPress! So, according to one website, 810 million websites worldwide are on the WordPress platform. 64.2% is the command of WordPress as of 2023. And 500 new websites are made on a WordPress website every single day. That's a lot of websites. That's a lot of people. And while this is huge, imagine how many people don't even know what WordPress is. A lot of people don't even know that their website is being powered by WordPress. So, even when we're out and we're talking, people else say, oh, you're a part of the WordPress community. And they'll go, what's WordPress? So, how many of you have found that? Have you come across that? Where you were talking to my WordPress? No one knows, right? So, I'm going to do something a little difference. I wanted to do the SWAT technique, but not in your traditional. So, we're going to use the SS strength, right? So, what have we gotten right? And then the W, instead of being on weaknesses, we're going to use them as warning signs. So, what are the things we need to look out for? And then O is for opportunities, overcoming challenges, and then T is for triggers and targets. So, recognizing the resistance and how can we overcome it? So, one of the things I am going to ask you today is two things. So, I normally walk around, so it makes it easier. So, it's kind of, I'm like, I'm stuck here. So, we have, I have this thing that we do in the classroom, in my classroom. It's called silent applause.  So, if you don't feel comfortable, you know, do that, that just keeps me like, okay, it's good. And then also, I'm going to ask you to take notes and be prepared, please, to share. Because this is what makes this community so great, is sharing. So, what have we gotten right? So, first of all, this community is awesome. I told you about WordCamp Miami. The one thing about it was, it was mayhem and it was crazy.   And when you consider how many people are in the room, that's pretty amazing. The WordPress and WordCamp communities are worldwide. So, like I said, we just came back from Athens. I have friends here from Costa Rica. I have friends that are in Calgary. And when I say friends, I literally mean, they're my friends. You know, we look forward to seeing each other. I said, I've met Ms. Carrie over here in WordCamp US.  This is everywhere. This is everyone. So, imagine the community, I tell people, this is my tribe, right? I can't remember your name anywhere else. But if I met you in a WordCamp, I remember you. I remember your name. If you're lucky, I remember where I met you. Most of the time I remember where I met you because I placed the camp and I placed your face. And I sometimes even remember what you do for a living. It's kind of mind-boggling.  But here, this is my tribe. And I know that it's not just me. There are many of us who feel that way about here. WordCamp has a code of conduct that is enforced, which ensures a safe and respectful environment. And that's, it's really important. So, this is something that's great about WordCamps, because everyone here can come and feel safe. And if you don't feel safe, there is something that you can do. There's enforcement here. There are people in place that if you feel like you're on rights or you feel uncomfortable, you can go to them and it'll be addressed. So that's a great thing that WordCamp has. I mean, WordPress has in general. WordCamps are amongst the most affordable in technology conferences and they include delicious meals on a t-shirt. Now, I don't know about y'all, but have you, exactly, I don't know about y'all, but have you looked in the prices of other technology conferences? So when my husband and I started doing this, we were like, you know what, let's branch out. Let's go check out some others. And then we started seeing the pricing.  That's why we travel. We'll just say, you know what, we'll just go to a WordCamp because unbelievable the pricing on those technology. And listen, these are professionals. These are people, oh my gosh, the amount of knowledge and people, and we're doing it, they're doing it for free. And they come in here because they love the community. They're passionate about it. My first experience seeing five developers in a room sharing information with one another, not competing, but collaborating. I told my husband, I said, what kind of place is this?  Here everybody's like, oh yeah, you know, you have a problem with that? Let me help you with that. That's incredible. Our sponsors rock, okay?  The swag is cool.  It's really nice to go through the sponsor table, you know, sponsor tables and get the swag. But the sponsors themselves are really cool. I have so many that I have spoken to. My very first person that spoke to me in a WordCamp was actually a sponsor. And it wasn't like to come and sell me anything. He kind of saw me looking lost. This is here in Miami. I'm just kind of walking around and he just walked down and he was like, hey, it started talking to me. He didn't tell me about his table. I asked. He just wanted to know why I was there and what brought me there. And I found out recently that he's also was a member of the community before he ever became a sponsor. So that's where that came from. He saw me. He saw I looked a little lost and reached out and I was like, oh, that's really neat. Wordpress and WordCamps promote diverse representation and inclusivity amongst their speakers, their organizers, their volunteers, and their attendees. This is an incredibly diverse network of people. You can especially hear the first WordCamp I went to that was a U.S. I met someone from Turkey. I met someone else from Israel. And guess what? Every time we go to a WordCamp, we find each other. How amazing is that that you can know someone from Greece or Turkey or Israel and they look forward to seeing you year after year. So this WordCamp is live streamed. So if you couldn't be here live, you can be in person watching the whole camp and closed captioning. Look at that. Right. Awesome. And not for nothing.  So I'm always trying to teach people how to make their websites and so forth more inclusive or your social media and all of that and closed captioning. I tell people that's not just for the deaf community. That's for people like me. So when you're up here and you're talking low, like me, I have an accent and my voice turns to get low. I go too fast. I love that. That's like, ooh. And accessibility here is a priority all the way across the board. So what are some of the warning signs? This is why I wanted to do this talk. After 20 years, I think what I've seen a lot of is that in general, it's not everybody. The community has become very complacent. It's kind of like, oh, we've already done that. We've done that. No, we don't want to do that anymore because you know, we've done that.  It doesn't mean that the new person has done that. And that's what I want us to be really very aware of. But for those of you who've been here that have been doing this for a long time, I've heard over and over when people say like the second one, they already know. So when I was an organizer a few times and I've said, hey, you know, we should put this in the handbook or we should say this and people go, they already know. No, no, no. You know. They don't know. Thank you. Thank you. And, you know, and but I want us as a community to think about that because just because you know doesn't mean everyone knows. You know, I don't know the name of the movie. I don't know exact the words, but someone here I'm sure knows. There's a movie where Denzel Washington tells all the people like, tell me like I'm a six year old. Do you know that movie? Okay. That's what I say. Let's handle this like we're all six year olds. Okay. So that everyone can feel comfortable because you know what I might know today, but one of the things I did and I meant to mention in the beginning is that I am an artist. I do all these things, but I also am openly neurodiverse member of this community. So today I know and I ain't gonna lie tomorrow. I may not because my brain just went on the fritz and I don't remember. So it helps me to have a reminder. Okay. The other thing I'm seeing lately is a lot of camps, especially one day camps are really, really heavy developer talks. Beautiful. I know that more people want to be in a developer talk because there's a lot of developers in the community, but there's a lot of non developers in the community. There's a lot of business people in the community. Like I said, a lot of artists, a lot of creatives, we want to know how to build a website. Yeah, but I don't want to know like from a developer. I sat in on one developer talk and I was just sitting there like, okay. And when I left they were like, what did you think? I'm like, I have no idea because all of it was like, you know, another foreign language to me. I have no idea what you talked about. I'm like, I sat in to be polite, but no, I don't know. But the new things that are happening, one of those things that we've gotten right, I know some people don't like Gutenberg and a block editor, but for those of us like me who don't develop, it has made it infinitely easier for me to not only build a website, but to also teach how to build a website. So that's great. How about an organizing team? Now, I know for a lot of people, maybe you don't live in a very diverse neighborhood. You don't live, you know, maybe everyone kind of looks the same in terms of, you know, I know people mostly like me. Maybe you know, you told me they're from the Netherlands and it's very hard to have quote on diversity. But do you know diversity is way more than ethnicity? How about making sure that your organizing team is diverse in terms of who comes from the community? Not just in gender, not just in gender. We're talking social economic status. I tell people, social economic status is a part of diversity. And I'm going to tell you as a teacher and as an educator who works primarily with people in underserved communities, you all have forgotten about us. Okay. Because most of the time when you're thinking about doing things, most of my kids don't have a laptop. They don't even have internet. That means their parents don't have a laptop and their parents don't have internet. How can you include them? How can we have them have a seat at your table as an organizer and invite them into the community and tell them, hey, you may not have this, but we in our community in Jacksonville, we've asked people to lend laptops. You have a laptop you can lend because some of us have two or three. Do you have one that you don't feel uncomfortable bringing to the camp so that we can have more people here so that they can enjoy this experience too? Your library lends laptops. That's another way. Maybe have a meetup in a library or have your meeting there and show them how to do it because sometimes people don't know what they don't know and they don't know what they need because they don't know. Not considering talk submissions because they're not WordPress enough. And I've heard this many times, oh, well, this doesn't include WordPress. Well, maybe it doesn't need to because the rest of the talks include WordPress. Maybe this is a talk that's needed for this community, right? Maybe people need this today. Honestly, I didn't know that WordCamp US was going to choose this talk. I was excited that they chose a community talk. So, yeah, thank you. I was really excited about that. Using jargon, WordCamp speak, WordPress speak, tech talk. So things like CMS, LMS, what's that, API? I mean, these are things that after you guys talk to me, I'm like, I'm on the Google like, okay, what was that? Okay. When you're amongst each other, fine.  Well, let me tell you and explain it. It's okay. We are in a community that this is, you know, this is one of the wonderful things about this community is that we do talk the same language. But if we want new people to come in here and we want them to feel welcome, we got to remember they may not know that language. We do the same thing, you know, in our church. We teach them like, hey, you know, there's certain like church speak that you just, people don't know. So try not to use that predominantly. And if you do, explain it. This last one and this on this page, this frustration when things are explained. Remember when I was saying to everyone says, oh, they already know. They already know. I have heard many times people getting frustrated when you say, can you explain that more? Or can you, can you make that clearer? And I've seen the frustration or heard the frustration or they don't want to because again, going back to, they already know. Please explain and don't be afraid to explain because you know. That's the thing I want you to keep remembering. You know. Going back to the organizer thing with, you know, having diverse groups. This is something that happens with organizations, with businesses, and definitely here amongst the community. When you make the best decision for a group of people, without asking said group of people or asking anyone in that group, if that's a good decision.  They say, you know what this community needs? And they go and they make all this plans. They put all this money and all this time. And that's not what the community needed. So I say the same thing for here. Let's think more about how do we find a way to ask? Because I'm not saying anything I'm saying here is easy. But let's find a way to ask the very people we're seeing we want to serve. Because even in our own form with the accessibility, which is great, you have an accessibility need, nine times out of 10 when people are thinking accessibility, they're thinking about the person in the wheelchair. But how about the person with the cane? Or the person with the bad knees that can go up and down the stairs of the very venue that you decided is perfect for the whole community? And they get there and they're like, oh my gosh, I don't even know how I'm going to get around here. Having middle of the week word camps. Have you guys seen that? Oh, we're ready there. So having a middle of the week work camps. This is a very popular thing lately because everybody, a lot of people work with WordPress during the day. But this isn't more than that. We have teachers and people that are working during the day who are part of the community that unfortunately cannot be there during the week. So I did not realize, I'm like chatting here, but we're running short. So I'm going to go through these quickly. Having meetups only one time of the day or evening. I want you to think about having them more often. We have one during the day and the evening in Jacksonville. Making sure that your meetups are on some kind of bus line for those who may have transportation issues. I want you to think about that too. Everyone in the team thinks and looks alike. If your team looks the same, it's time to start looking outside. Okay. Insisting that you do things the way they've always been done. That's another thing. And then new thoughts and ideas feel threatening. I know that when new people come in and they're sharing their thing, you're like, whoa, we've never done it that way. But it'll be okay. Opportunities. Repeat, repeat, repeat. So the announcements that my dear MC made today, remember it's okay to make your announcements, but if you have to make them more often, like she said, you know where to go to the sponsor table. Don't assume that everyone knows. Repeat them if you need to. It reminds people for some people who actually read because I know people are like, oh, we sent it in the email. Oh, we sent it on the website. Most people are not even doing that. It informs others who didn't do that. Okay. Have opening and closing remarks for those of us that are neurodiverse.  We done. It's just easier if you just have a quick closing remarks so that I know like, this is the end of this. Okay. Having a quiet space, which we have here. We have a quiet space. A listening room. It's wonderful. These are some great things that we have here. Make space for hallway chats where people can just sit and talk, which is lovely out there. You can sit and chat. Choose a venue on a public transportation route, as I said, and occasionally choose public spaces for meetups. I'm going to go through these a little quick because I do really want you guys to share. So if you want to take pictures of some of this, have a longer call for speakers. Now this, I really want to take one moment for for those that are running international camps or you're inviting people internationally to come to your camp. Remember, people have to get visas and approvals.  Give a little bit more room. We've had people who couldn't come because there wasn't enough time from the speaker call to the approval to get the visa to come. Okay. Thank you. They could not.  Even if it's a plane ticket, they're not going to get it until they get the approval. Until you say yes, they're not even going to buy this plane ticket. So give them time to be able to do that. Okay. Go beyond social media to get the word out. And I say this because as an older woman working with other older people, some people still read newspapers. Okay. They still read the newspaper. A lot of our older population are into technology. However, they're not into technology in social media. Okay. They may find a different way. They're not looking at social media. So find other ways to get the word out. Okay. Kids workshops introduce to our young introduce WordPress to our youngest people. Consider senior sessions and your meetups so that seniors can come and feel welcome and that they don't feel like, oh, I'm feeling uncomfortable. I don't know all this. Consider having a senior session or consider taking your meetup to a senior group. Okay. Videos are a great way to introduce people who may not feel comfortable reading. And then one day word camps have a beginner session in AM and PM sessions. Make sure that you at least have one beginner session for one AM and PM for those who are at your one day camp. And then please bring back the happiness bar. Yeah. Yeah. I love the happiness bar. It's a great place not only to talk, but I do have issues with my webpage. And I would love to have someone to help me with that. Food. We have great food here, but that's not always the case. And for vegan and vegetarians who are predominantly vegetarian, a salad is not a meal. Okay. I'm like, really? So yes, think about that. They did a great job at U.S., by the way. This is some great options here. Okay. So this is mostly to our sponsors. So if you're a sponsor here, please just, you could take a picture of this. The main thing that I want you guys to know is thank you for being so open. And take a picture because we don't, we only have a few, a little bit of time. Wapu. Please don't forget Wapu. So I only have a few right here. I actually am a Wapu ambassador. I do have a bag with some Wapu with me, but I want you guys to remember that people, this brings people together. Okay. And when I went to Miami, people said, oh, this is your first camp and started handing me Wapu pins. And I fell in love with Wapu. That's my boyfriend. So I got my husband when I was my boyfriend. Okay. So don't forget about him. Okay. I'm going to pass this so that you could just see this real quick, but this is just for you so that you could see if someone is saying one thing, the, what we're going to target is the other.  Remember, we want to make room for more, more aesthetics. Okay. These are more pictures, some things that you could do, but I'd really want to give you just a quick minute. I want to thank you for coming. I want this is my honey. Thank you. Thanks. So many practical tips. Yeah. And we have a time for a little bit of Q&A and we have two microphones, one in each aisle. If you have a specific question that you want to ask, please make your way, start making your way to one of those microphones while we're waiting to see if anybody does that. Do you have one specific tip in actionable item for today? Yes. So for today, so starting today, I want you to look around because you're going to know the new people because they're kind of looking like they're lost. I say, you know, the number one way to meet new people is just say hi. Just walk up and say, Hey, so today I want you to find someone new and say hi, even if they're not new, get to know who they are. And that starts to build community. Be sure you speak into the mic for our live stream friends. Yeah. Hi, I'm Phil from Picture. I'm interested in your thoughts about people who just have never touched digital at all, you know, and they want to make something they got some idea and they're enthusiastic, but they don't know where to start. And I wonder how we could, you know, there's a lot of people like this. And they want to do lots of different things. And I wonder how we could get organized to start doing this. So would you say the that they haven't touched anything like digital? Is that what you said? Yeah, yeah.  They know it exists. Yes. Yeah. They know there's this future and they think they're in it. Right. But yeah, how do we get there? So I meet a lot of people who've never done anything digitally. They know it exists. They find it interesting. Older people, people in low, like I said, underserved communities, low income communities that don't have computers. We go out there.  That's what my husband and I do. We offer free workshops to just let people know like, Hey, come on down. You want to learn how to I offer workshops on how to use your phone. You know how many people don't know how to use their phone. They just know how to answer their phone. Just offer a workshop and just offer your time and you'll be surprised how many people will just show up just to learn. Thanks. And you're going to be around for the rest of work camp. I am. And I really encourage folks to find you if they have more specific questions. And I hope all of us will keep working on building a better WordPress community. But we thank you for your thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much guys.


Good morning. Once again, if you're just joining us, Kairi Boussana, this is the latest pepper show in this his city in this Hair town and we are why in the morning in particular today is hashtag Thursday vibes now I want to okay, it's not the question before it starts reading out comments. Good morning What do you do to keep your mental health in check? What do you do to make sure you feel?  We have Mkwakangemi the third says good morning So equal late. I'm see I don't keep calling me corner Peter Moangie. I see you I appreciate I appreciate keep on typing typing remember the hashtag is Thursday vibes now Our next guest is called snow pea snow pea is Nigerian So if you hear me saying things in Israeli, please give him subtitles because sometimes on the story in a sheikah Cushika is it's it's become a lot. It's intense. I might divert so Help me keep in check. Hashtag is Thursday vibes. Hello I'm I need you to give me more energy the nudge. Thanks. Hi There we go, maybe smile now and some people are supposed to my smile all the time Men don't find a lot. Mm-hmm. Just keep to them self and your composure. That's all Yeah, no, no, no women smile a lot, but I don't think men do why I don't know Maybe they have a lot of problems. So that's we don't have problem Men focus on solving problems more than women women. I don't know about you in Kenya But most see mostly in my parts in my country The men are the head of the family. Mm-hmm. So they are always in charge Of the wife the children bees and so on and so forth. So with all these stuff to come together Wow, it would be out for you to smile Okay, now I'm worried because This narrative we're talking about even on our social media is is how to keep our mental health in check So that's very easy for you to get depressed because now you feel like everything is on you. You have all the responsibilities You're not supposed to show anyone any weakness or vulnerability. Is that what I'm getting? No, everyone have their own weakness It's good. You discover it on time. Mm-hmm when you discover it. I think you need someone you can talk to Maybe a counselor or Your friend They can easily help you out to overcome to check they said a problem shared is a problem So this is true. So you just need someone to talk to you but not everyone you talk to is a You You share That is it But I want to believe that we can start by imagine you're going to smile Just smile for me. It's not being just a big seeer. There you go. See how good he looks in his miles All right, tell me about yourself. Okay My name is a karma ball but My auntie's name is no P They called me snow because I'm cool calm and gentle So that is the aspect of the snow. Why the P stands for Paul I'm a Nigerian an African and Proud I'm a black man And it's good to be here in Kenya. I feel at home. I'm from home I've gained a lot of love since I came to Kenya The people are peaceful loving and the weather here is so so so so so nice Nice nice, man. I love it. Yeah. What's the difference between here in Nigeria.  It's cause it's always hot as in you wake up I don't think Nigeria is aggressive. Yeah, we are not aggressive Yeah, sure. Yeah, okay. The way you're talking does not suggest aggression But yeah, we are not an aggressive people man. We are loving Accommodating and working and ambitious. Well, I stand corrected. That's why I should change my mentality. Yeah Okay, Snoopy, tell me about your musical career My musical career started 2008 I focused on writing them I've wrote a lot of song to different artists doing good in my country but I Decided to take the bull by its own during the pandemic Nothing was happening. And so I discovered that I can't do it myself so that was when I started working on my project and Winchi Winchi It was the first song I'm promoting although I have a lot of lot of lot of good job good project I've worked on and Waiting for them For them to match also that I can release them Yeah, but I think With the love Kenya has showed me so far. I'll be dropping one of my I'll be doing one of my video Right here in Kenya before I leave. Yeah, so I'm already on it Hopefully next week I will execute it Yeah, I like that. Are you also going to use Kenyan Vicense? I suggest you yes, of course Everything I'm I'm using is Kenya products Because made in Kenya. Yeah made in Kenya. Yeah, so I'm glad to be here. What's your favorite thing about Kenya so far? The food Allah, what's your favorite food? Ungali that that is What do you call it? What do you call it? We don't have that in my country only have foo foo They're not the same. No, no, not the same. It's I ask somebody said Dungali was made is made from maize. I don't really know how to treat it. So We don't have it there. We only have foo foo and amala Aba and some other stuff same old but we don't have dungali and the vegetable and one of this Shaking sauce look what tree. I don't know. I've forgotten the name, but it is good man It is good. I really love it. Are the people friendly. I like to think we're friendly people. Yeah Yes, of course. I've met a lot of Kenyan. They welcome me like safe. They don't mean for ages, but It's all good.  So maybe that's one of the reasons we're very friendly No, not really. Not really. Why are you so sure? Not really because they are not demanding from me they are just open to discussion and We have good time. That's all with your ideas and I'll tell them about my country and they also educate me little things So it's all good. It's not about money. It's all about relationship and being happy. I like that Yeah, would you like to have a collaboration with the Kenyan artists? Yes, of course. Yes, of course. Yes, of course Yes, of course. I Understand Kenya has a lot of good artists Upcoming and already established artists, but for now, I don't have anyone I'm looking up to but I'm open for collaboration and I'm getting excited. They're getting very excited. You look like you do well with one of our own Hashtag Thursday 5 Alright, so I'm a very practical person I was hoping that maybe since I know, okay This these are things that I know that you probably don't know that he has been or is currently inspired by the likes of Kanye West, right? Yeah, but he throws some afro vibe into that. So would you like to free stuff for me? I know you want. Yeah, I Probably do it. All right. First of all, it's hard to catch you on social media then kind of It's on on IG. I'm on you can contact you can search for me via contact on that's called snow pea on Facebook at I am snow pea Then on YouTube, you can just search for me snow pea. You will see me there in my country We don't use Twitter because They are Yeah No, they haven't so for now My Twitter handle is not functioning So I Hope someday do is of the issue. I have no questions different set of questions about your country But I don't know if we should get into that right now. Hashtag is 35s. Okay continue. You're free standing for me Okay, I just want to motivate someone out there.  Not truth. Me. I didn't you. Hello, Mr. Soja wake up from your slumber fire your bazooka boom chakalaka boom chakalaka If I had a DJ would be giving him effects right now breaking glass and all that wicked Hashtag is a Thursday vibes in conclusion. What would you like to tell the people watching you? Maybe for the first time they've just met you or they are trying to you know Know more about you how to Yeah First of all, I'm a cool easy and friendly person Who does not like to smile? There we go another smile. Yeah, okay Being on live tv is is Is more than enough reason for me to be smart because This has been part of my shadow dream To be on live tv On stage performing I think Even though I've not achieved all my dreams, but at least I know I'm doing good and someday I will be there.  Nobody will go for it Stop being entitled Uh And do what you have to do Just be the best of yourself and stay peaceful Thank you I book a peaceful and and what did you just say wait Uh, be true to yourself stay peaceful you in years as doing all I was going to teach you something But I told you guys I was going to revert into nini To Swaley teach me something in pigeon then I teach you something Swaley. Okay Uh Where I came from where I come from is the home of pigeon English worry. Wow Yeah So there are a lot of things I can say There are English words, but you might find it very difficult to understand try me You laugh at me not even give me a chance Aghbaris you confirm What? Aghbaris you confirm it means Hello lady, you're beautiful Where where did confirm come from there's no beautiful in the center. Yeah, that is the slang.  What is my response now the appropriate one. You might just say thank you Oh, you define story define what? What it depends on you can say thank you all I beg you define story many You didn't believe what the person is saying if you say you define story But if you say thank you at least You appreciate the compliments Well, it's it's it's going to be an extreme sport if I ever find myself in Nigeria Yeah, I'm not At least you will cope In as much as you understand English Well, all right Now what do I teach you? Se karibu kanairo Se karibu Karibu kanairo Karibu kanairo Yeah, that's welcome to Nairobi. Nairobi is kanairo. Karibu is welcome. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's nice. That's simple, isn't it? Oh, send your means yes Wow It's poor laughing at me on the ground Hashtag is the Thursday vibe. So I think now if I continue we will not finish this interview because he's Indeed cool and calm and peaceful Should we go now? Yes, so we can play. Okay. All right guys. Don't go away We have one last interview that I trust me. You do not want to miss it We've actually been building on the conversation that they're about to have so Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun at Twitter from Facebook wait for channel on Twitter Hashtag once again is Thursday vibes. I have been with snow pee Do not Miss out on this guy. He looks like he's going to go places Thank you


It's a way to make people watch an ad that was one fun to make and fun to watch. As we all know, when you land on an ad on YouTube, it's an instant skip. How do I actually get people to stick around and look at this? I like the product and I like the brand. I don't want them to see what I see. So how can I do that? How can I integrate that so that it's creative? And I think that was exactly it. How do I infuse me, Peter McKinnon, to make it fun and engaging?


Another situation that we've settled for you, we've just played 1-3-5 downwind, it's a little bit longer, 1-40 but we're straight into the breeze now, so again you've got three clubs here, what are our options here? The flags on the left, so what I always try to do with the flags on the left is draw it in, if the flags on the right I might cut it in, I might depending on how I feel on that day, so now I've got three clubs, I've got a seven iron, a six iron and a five wood, okay, so here we go, so now the seven iron, because I've got to hit it hard, I'm going to hit it to the right, the right and try and put it on the green without getting greedy, yeah, see that, yeah this is coming around, let's pin I again, right now, now what I can do is take the seven iron and I can hit it a lot lower than that, see, and I'm going to hit a little draw, watch this time, the flags on the left and hit a little bit lower, see I just, tell me, punch that right to the middle of the green, look at this, yeah, see both those balls are on the green, right, so now I'm going to take a six iron because for my liking, even though it's putting for a birdie, the ball went a little high, okay, so I'm going to break a six iron right low down like this, see, and I'm just going to hit a little chip shot with it, watch, there, see how low that went, yep, just a little chip shot, right in the middle of the green, but, so now I'm going to shoot this one at the flag this time, I'm going to aim it there just with a little little chip shot, look at that shot, yeah, yeah, 15-10 foot from the hole, now give me the five wood, so now I'm going to play this one with a little five wood, now this time it'll go very low, take the five wood, but it will come down a little bit softer, see, at the flag there, just a little chip shot with it, watch, see the height, watch this, watch this, that's going to go right in the hole for a one, watch this, I love it too, yeah, so there are three different clubs, yeah, and that's when you have good course management and how you're feeling that day and having knowledge of the game to play the right shot at the right time, now here we have a bunker just to give you an idea, I'm five foot seven and this bunker is that height so it's five foot high, a very high lip, not accustomed to seeing that in other countries in the world but over here they've done this which I think is marvelous, so now I've got here, I've got here now a 60 degree loft, when we played we never had, I played all my golf with a 56 degree loft, so I had to stand here to this flag right here and I take the 56 and as I hit the ball I'd add loft, I did this, I had to add loft to it, now you've got a 60 you just take a string and it comes out, what a difference, watch this club, I don't even think of this lip here, there's the flag, watch where he's standing, watch this, so it just comes out, where did that go, yeah fantastic yes, okay so now did that run quite a bit Mark, it released a little bit, it released a bit all right so now we allow for that to release, yeah, how's that, it gripped yeah the big difference, right so now what I did there, I opened the face okay stood wide you must stand wide in a bunker because you don't want spaghetti knees in a bunker, you want to keep your weight and be stable and sort of keep your weight anchored on your left side, now you've got to cock your wrist as quickly as you can, a quick wrist cock why because with a quick wrist cock it enables you to release, if you go back stiff wrists you've got no release, no clubhead speed and what do you want in a bunker, clubhead speed, clubhead speed you want that zip, what I call light the match, so what I did when I used to teach 20 lessons a day to travel over to Britain and America at 50 cents a time, I used to get the members in the bunker and draw a matchbox, there's a matchbox and I put the ball on there, I said now you got to light that match, you can't light the match if you go slowly, so now there, you're lighting the match, watch with this ball now, but I light the match, watch there, that's it, you see the light the match, yeah when I practice in the mornings every morning at six o'clock I never left until I hold five, some days I did it quickly, some days I didn't do it I'd have to come back after work, now here comes Mark can you go back to the hole, now comes a very difficult, the most difficult shot in golf is a long bunker shot, by far there's no shot that is as tough as this and the weekend golfer takes the wrong club, give me the pitching wedge now, this is where you don't want loft in fact this shot with that flag is now, is you couldn't ever have a harder shot try to get the ball up with a pitching wedge, try to get it up, now I might not do that and to reach the flag, weekend golfers 100% short of the flag, pros 80% short, now you take a pitching wedge, see, pitching wedge, that's gonna be my best shot today, yeah it's Penay, Penay, with that look, I'm not hitting another one, Mike Gary, final situation for you, we've got a bit of a kind of a risk or reward situation, so part four we've got bunker down the left, on the angle of a sort of slight dog leg really, so the weave is running around right to left but 230 is the bunker on the left, now obviously there could be a possibility of going over that corner, leaving yourself a really short second in even driving the green, maybe so yeah, that bunker on the left 230 yards and 40 yards, now for the pro it's back there so it's also a risk reward, if you carry that bunker with the wind behind you in the ground hard you could almost drive the green, if you slice it you've got that bunker on the right so you want to avoid these two bunkers because if you go in the two bunkers you've got a lip that's so high you can't reach the green, now but the sensible shot is to understand your ability, so most people should stand here just take an iron, three iron, put it down in the fairway, weird shot to the green, you're gonna have a putt for a birdie anyway, so you've got a really risk reward holes have ruined many scores in golf, so here we go, so what would you choose today with the wind behind, I'm gonna try and carry that bunker, because we're on a forward tee, ride over it, right over it, I cut it the green Gary, look at my look how I'm standing, all my weight on the left side, on my right toe to make the dough and a good long follow-through as can be expected at 85, well it's a fantastic finish because I think the likelihood is that's on the green or pretty close, pretty close, fantastic shot


to today's show, The State of the State of Hawaii on Think Tech Hawaii. I'm your host Stephanie Stoll Dalton and today's show continues. Our discussion from our last show was a discussion of COVID-19's impact on the status of Hawaii's small businesses providing professional services specifically the practice of law. In our last time conversation, we discussed how the setbacks for small businesses are currently unavoidable as the virus continues to be even more difficult and even our less COVID affected state, one of the least deaths in the nation. So legal practices are declining and even going away as clientele postpone and cancel and no longer use professional legal services. This situation prompts questions about how the state government has and has not intervened to protect small businesses that underpin the state's welfare and health. We will cover some of the questions from the perspective of a recent case with our guest today who are two experienced Hawaii lawyers. And the first one is Scott Makuaqani who has whose business focuses on estate planning and administration and James Hochberg whose focus includes contract related issues and constitutional litigation. Welcome Scott and welcome Jim glad you're back. Thanks. Well on the last show we talked about Hawaii's dire economic situation and and it's decline and its potential future decline unless something really changes soon. And now we've talked about what the state can do to lessen the damage for the economy and other areas too but this this questions how the governor's use of his emergency powers can help. That was one of our topics last time. So you both and Jim especially explained an action in early May of the government to impose an order 17127A on the state which required a 14 day quarantine for all visitors that has since been extended until the end of July. But Jim bought a case challenging the unconstitutionality of this order and maybe more. Well would you briefly summarize your issues that you shared last time against the thanks. Yeah I'd be glad to actually. So Hawaii is exactly the same as every other state except we're 3000 miles away in the middle of the water but we are part of the United States. We are governed by the same constitution even with all that water in between and because the Constitution of the United States guarantees the right to interstate travel just the way people can drive from California through every state all the way to Florida or New York and they can't be stopped and they can't be required to pay an entry fee or have an immigration stop or you know you can't do that stuff. It applies here too. People have the constitutional right to travel to Hawaii. Now our case was bringing up the point that because the people have the right to come here the government can only interfere with that through like this quarantine if they meet the constitutional standards and constitutional standards require that the government use the least restrictive means to accomplish their legal goal and our case is saying judge quarantining every single person that gets off an airplane without regard to whether they are contagious or not or infected or anything else is too broad. It's too sweeping and broad and it's not targeted to solving the problem. It's just making it easy on the government to do their job. If they're not doing their job right they're doing it as easy as they can and so Harmeet Dillon from the American Center for Liberty and I co-counsel she's in San Francisco. I'm local counsel here we filed that case in federal court a couple of weeks ago and we followed it up with a motion for a temporary restraining order which means we asked the judge before the case get started to order that the state of Hawaii the governor essentially stop quarantining people that don't have any reason to be quarantined except they're getting off an airplane in front of and behind the person in line and what the judge said was she didn't want to issue that relief which is actually it's hard to get you don't always get restraining orders at the beginning of the case and she said she didn't want to do it and so she did not and it's important for people to realize she did not rule on the merits of the case she ruled on whether we could have that emergency relief at the beginning or whether we have to go through the process to prove our right to have that kind of injunctive relief so the press coverage that says she upheld quarantine she actually wasn't even asked at this stage to do that and yet um the newspapers I mean the the publicity on it did use the the word upheld it did it did it's like that hell how did they make that mistake and so here's the interesting thing if if you want I can share what she started and ended her 25 page order or motion and and basically she's focusing in on Chief Justice John Roberts at the U.S. Supreme Court a couple of weeks ago in a case about COVID dealing with churches not being allowed to meet in California it went to the Supreme Court on an emergency order not after the case was done and he basically said the Constitution principally entrusts the safety and the health of the people to politically accountable officials in the states to guard and protect the latitude of officials must be especially broad when acting in areas fraught with medical and scientific uncertainties if officials do not exceed these broad limits they should not be subject to second guessing by an unelected federal judiciary which doesn't have the expertise of medical stuff so basically what the judge was saying is she's not going to get involved in that question at the beginning of the case she's going to want us to present the medical evidence and all that kind of stuff and she still may decide that it's better to leave it up to the elected officials but the very cool thing is after we filed our lawsuit both the governor and the legislature activated themselves to do what we said they should be doing which is this testing regime and not quarantining everybody so they kind of prove that we were right what they were doing and still are doing isn't right and now they're working on maybe depending on how it comes out in the final version a more constitutional process well are you referring to the requirement to have a test result prior to arrival in hawaii well that's not a requirement and that's the other thing the press misses when the governor does a press conference on june 24 and he says stuff but he doesn't follow it up with an official order it's just him giving a press conference so as of right now there is no order to test anybody as we talked about last time the governor's power to order stuff ended on may 3rd in my opinion and i think that's why the legislature last monday came or two mondays ago came back into a session to work on this bill to give the health department the power to test people coming because they realize the governor's out of time okay so uh yeah so it is shifting back into the shape it should have taken in the beginning perhaps with the legislator legislature back and at least they gave the work to the health department it looks like i was going to ask a question about isn't the legislature duty bound to follow up on these things as you said they ran away at the first sign of somebody's three weeks of vacation or whatever and so um is there any consequence to that does that i mean raises the expectation that they will perform their duty well the process that the legislature goes through is an amendment of proposed laws and so i like to wait until they're actually done to see what it turns out to say because what it says when it's a law is what the law is and in our case we are watching and if the governor or the legislature creates a legal obligation on this testing regime and it's it's too irrational or it's too broad or whatever whatever it turns out to be in the final version uh we could amend our complaint and add this new thing that still isn't right to our case case is actually very young uh okay so i had the question that uh i wanted to ask you about the fact that Hawaii and Alaska are the two non-contiguous states right because Puerto Rico is not really the same is it but anyway Alaska and Hawaii are in position to actually uh get themselves protected from people coming in so is it and so with the fifth and the and the um the 14th amendments requiring interstate travel or um insuring or thing we have to be able to have but we can't restrict interstate travel does it mean that um Hawaii and or Alaska would always be unlawful in sure if they close their borders that that really isn't an option no it's no it's not an absolute like that if there was a condition in in the society or in a group of people or something that rendered an emergency such that it was necessary and the the only way the government could accomplish the protecting of the population would be to keep certain people out they would be able to do that that's what they're supposed to do but just waiting at the exit point of the airplane in the terminal with the National Guard uh for each person to come out in single file and capture them into quarantine i mean that's ridiculous that's what they're doing well i understood that it might be and this would be a question of um one other word i went back on the Alaska and Hawaii thing so if Alaska and or Hawaii decided to do that there would still possibly be litigation about it i mean if some can or somebody in Washington state didn't like that because they go up to Alaska they could file a suit right i mean so like you said it can be done but that there there would possibly be uh suits against them for doing it right well yeah the Constitution has requirements that protect our rights and if those rights are violated unlawfully unconstitutionally somebody should sue to protect them that's what you're doing that response that over some of the possibility is uh is certainly uh appropriate coming from legal section but even uh citizen wise there should be oversight too so um okay that is um about that contiguous issue but the other one you brought up is how broad will be whatever they decide may be the screens for people coming in and out and what i've read they're thinking about doing is this testing that has to be done actually where you come from so you come up with your test results and i guess that's where your single file metaphor works uh or example works because then you can't get off the plane if you don't have your evidence of a positive of a negative now would that be considered too broad is that the kind of thing that would be uh what did you say at one time irrationally well i i don't i don't think that that by itself is actually a bad idea because then you identify people that at least as of the time they took the tests were contagious because there's different tests and different test results so if the test says they currently have the virus not that they had it before and now they have the antibody which is different if they are currently infectious those are the people that probably need to be dealt with but then how you deal with them is another thing are you going to put a ankle bracelet on them so you know if they leave the quarantine place i don't think that's permitted i don't know i mean i don't know how crazy the legislation or the governor's order is going to be when it's finalized so somewhere i read that that's one of the things possible but anyway i'm sure they're brainstorming how to manage anything do you know why all the other states don't have the same kind of a quarantine regime well i heard that they are trying though but but the reason the reason that they don't yeah it's too hard to block all the roads it's just impractical but certainly they could do the same thing with the airplanes in fact that's what the florida people say well we can't eat because you're just going to look at our ticket that says we're up from miami so you're not going to let us in um but our license plates but there are other ways to get there and you can't stop people at the border because of their license plates either you have to actually have a specific reason that is geared to accomplish the compelling state interests which in this case is not spreading the disease and that the least restrictive the let the least intrusive way to accomplish that compelling state interest is what you're trying to do if you could test people and not quarantine people that don't have the virus that's a lot less restrictive on the travelers than only quarantining the infectious ones which is the point that we're making which after we filed our suit now the governor and the legislature are working on which they could have done starting on march 4th they could have been working on that yeah that was your your point that was an important point that they they should have been there and done done the job and then it was done by now and we'd be organized and there wouldn't be all this confusion which is where we are now with all of these people coming into the state yesterday or very recently with um 118 here for vacation so my my co-counsel actually came here from california to do the hearing last week and she told me when she got off the plane she was met by 10 or 11 army men i'm sure they were reservists but they were wearing army fatigues and they had thermometer things for your head and you couldn't get past them without uh successfully completing whatever their testing was and then they have paperwork for you on the quarantine and they asked for your phone number and they called your phone right there to make sure you didn't give them a fake number uh it's very intrusive to everybody regardless of whether they have any risky elements to their person or not i'm very glad to hear that because what i read was that we just as we fill out those forms coming back to hawaii that that was being used to determine the sections of people and what they were going to be doing and now they're telling me we're spending the state spending a lot of money on on making sure they are have temperature information and then what did they do if somebody has the virus would they take them to some special place um i mean that's very interesting because that's what china and and korea and these other nations have done is that they have used that data to identify potentially infectious people and then they've immediately removed them into some containment area holding pattern they didn't go home they didn't go to the hotel and then that's one of the ways we have a stopping to spread but you know why they can do that their citizens don't have any constitutional rights that's right i didn't move to north korea yeah yeah so uh they would fight back probably i mean we would want all of us we want to assert our civil rights and and call a lawyer right because of that intrusion uh if we were contained like that that's a really good point because i have i you know that's one and that's one of the advantages of these dictatorial countries where they can they can manage things a little bit more and i would say that's one of the things that makes our country really exceptional it does and the fact that states want to close themselves off only speaks to the importance of our federal system which is about unification so in and so instead of us doing the kinds of things they do in these other countries with stricter government styles we want to go up we want to go high and get everybody we're on the same boat and we all have to work on this together so it seems like the democratic way is to be able to to lead the country into understanding what their duty is one to another and as citizens um yeah that uh okay well i i'm glad that i didn't realize that much was going on i wonder why that's not publicized so much all right maybe i'm just missing it but i i i really like knowing that because um a lot of people said that they were three there were three hundred ninety nine people on this recent arrival of um a total of 754 i think this was 72 which was um last week anyway so 118 of them i mean 399 of them were visiting friends and family i mean so presumably they call those people at all those places where so they had to put the number on the form probably and that's how they managed to call them presumably because your colleague was called at well do you know that when you come in at the airport right now you cannot take a taxi you cannot do an uber or a lift or a ride chair you cannot ride the bus the only way you can leave the airport is somebody picks you up well that's awesome news for me i guess i'm not being attention well that i mean it's very i'm i'm glad to hear that that we've got that much strictness in in the screening of people coming in other one i mean i've really worried about it since we are increasing now in the numbers of cases so it it occurred to me that we might may not have done these kinds of things but then the other question is who's going to pay for all of this surveillance in screening i mean this is going to be enormously expensive when we go back to receiving certainly like in july of two nineteen we were having thirty five thousand people coming in daily into hawaii who's going to take care of that burden once they lift anything so i mean certainly that would be great for the economy to get all of them in right now come back but then we just have enough we'd have a a set here in hawaii for the movies to come and use with all these empty buildings everywhere because no people would be left presumed Stephanie i'm going to say something that some people are going to go crazy about okay japanese americans were quarantined during the second world war without respect to any individual risk we are not allowed to do that in this country uh-huh clearly well okay i'm that's good to recall that the history um and um we need to respect that sacrifice that they made and mistake that the country made but what are your next steps then on this case so you're seeing there at this point in feeling accomplished in in in the stage of this case you're in and what happened so what are the next steps to so we have a couple of choices and we haven't actually decided yet one thing that we can do is appeal this order denying our requests that's a possibility i don't know that we're going to do that we can move forward with the case and watch and see what the governor and the legislature come up with and like i said earlier fold that new thing if necessary and appropriate into our existing case um and it's interesting because in in opposition to our motion the governor had four or five medical doctors from the department of health working on the covet stuff submit sworn testimony under oath in the form of a declaration and what's troubling to me about it is the information that they presented was medical information that was thought to be true in february of 2020 not the new information about infectiousness mortality morbidity uh all that you know treatments uh none of that stuff all of what they were saying was the original bad data from february and and that's why i think the judge said i don't want to be the medical divider of truth at this stage so you know we're gonna have epidemiologists that tell modern analysis of what's known and and you know it'll go on from there okay well i wanted to go to um a question about to both of you about um well first of all i think jim is it the case that this may resolve itself too if the legislature does its duty and they work on this and they have an acceptable remedy right for how to handle could be so you could be satisfied and not and the need for more uh litigation could pass is that definitely there's always a need for more litigation don't don't put your say don't become a vegetarian okay well okay so then if you um okay so i understand there'll be something let me explain it this way and i won't be kidding and i gotta let scott talk because he's really a small friend of mine but so there are certain claims that you can bring in federal court and there are different claims you cannot bring in federal court but you can bring in state court so that issue about whether or not the governor's power ran out on may 3rd it's in our case because it's a fact that's the statute that gives rise to the violations but our claims in federal court constitutional rights to travel not overstepping a state law so a state court case is probably going to be brought against the governor's excess unlawful power usage after may 3rd but that would be a different case maybe even different lawyers different clients maybe me i don't but i mean those that's not been tackled in our federal court case and there are reasons to file federal and state cases that to you know the the choice that you take well without your work where's the scrutiny to come from actually to to these issues like like scott are you maybe you can talk to that even though you you're not in the same area of litigation or work in the same area as jim does but is it does it devolve on on the legal profession to kind of provide this i mean it is a citizen's right too and as you've discussed trying to get clients who have these issues in mind and care about them and want to do something about it but they don't want to become the nail in the cough enough the one that or bringing this against the state much less however much you know that you have just to pay for that but but um so but where does the scrutiny fall it's supposed to be on the citizens or is it the legal on the citizens and then the legal profession to respond to that but the constitution isn't really self-effectuating we've got to stand up for our rights and thank god there are people like jim out there who will take the cases and actually go in front of the courts but the constitution really does have to be upheld by the people it's got to be upheld by the people that protects and so yes it is incumbent on the citizenry to stand up and take positions when our constitutional rights are being taken away well that that reminds us of the duty of citizenship but i wanted to know if you all thought we have enough legal tools to deal with extreme crises such as COVID-19 in fact i mean at the federal level supposedly previous administrations had prepared orders for emergency situations like this that haven't been drawn on for the current situation does the state of Hawaii do the same thing is that a part of the repertoire or the agenda of the legislature are they remiss negligent irresponsible and not having something in place they're the lawmakers so would that be a duty they've neglected i mean the governor's going to take the heat on this i'm sure but what about them i don't know if they neglected it this is a pretty unique circumstance so who knew you know that we were going to have to deal with these issues i i guess it can be argued that if the government were doing its job it would think about these kinds of things because it's not that far fetched that there would you know some infection going around the world that we'd want to avoid but i i don't know that at this point we can accuse anyone of not having come up with a plan ahead of time it's just how they've handled it since the issue came up so we can't even use the ignorance of the law is no excuse because there's no law to be ignorant of at this point but all right of those sorts of things should the new mayor and uh as we go to a new governor i mean what kinds of expectations should we have for them to meet these challenges well the thing is in 2014 the hawaii legislature did pass a brand new law which is the law that the governor's using for this emergency power thing so there actually was a law and it was used and it was used properly on march third but that statute limits the governor's power for to 59 days on the 60th day according to the statute language that was written in 2014 it's not like some ancient thing uh it automatically terminated on the 60th day so what that means in the law is on the fifth ninth day may second one nano stroke past midnight on the third of may it ended all by itself nobody had to do anything the legislature gave the governor their legislative power for that 59 days i have a representative and i have a senator why weren't they back at the legislature on may third taking back their legislative authority representing me that's a good question and on that we have to have our aloha time so we're going to end our program on think tech hawaii and i'm going to appreciate that you all we're here to have this stimulating discussion and remind everybody that this is the state of the state of hawaii and we'll see you next time aloha and


Religious leaders and Christian worshippers across the states have called for the entrenchment of peace among the people as they celebrate Christmas in worship services. Our correspondent covered some church services where the significance of Christmas was again reiterated the report. The Christmas season comes once a year bringing in the message of peace and love. In the United States, southwest Nigeria, worshippers in lovely apparel celebrate the commemoration of the birth of Jesus Christ, giving thanks for life amidst the COVID-19 pandemic. Religious leaders tell the call message of Christmas. Despite all of the challenges we face as a country, let us continue to turn to Jesus with the King of Peace, to restore peace and sanity to the problems that befall us as a nation. Problems of insecurity, problems of kidnappings, problems of banditry, none of these problems, poverty and all of that. Let us stay at both. We must live as people of peace and allow peace to reign in this country so that we can be one. And the salvation that Jesus has brought to the world can be a joy that everyone should embrace. And it's my prayer that that salvation everyone will embrace and see for the eternal life. First, we want to encourage the federal government that this season, that they can still step forward in their efforts to ensure that peace reigns in Nigeria. At All Souls Anglican Church, a special prayer was organized for the country. Now, moving on to Taraba State. It's a low turnout in worship centers in Jalingu, the capital of Taraba State. Worshipers blame this on economic hardship and insecurity in the country. Christmas is one celebration that Christians hold in high esteem. You would see generally that the number of people on the streets and churches today for this celebration is not as much or as many as we used to have. Because, ordinarily, people are frightened with the security challenge we have. The economic hardship is biting harder. This Christmas is different from others in the sense that when you go to market, things are very costly. It's not as before. In many houses that you formerly, they used to slaughter cows, they used to add chickens and foreign rice. But it's this. It's not easy. The most important thing is, just as I said earlier on, we thank God that we have seen the Christmas and we are celebrating a part of our Lord Jesus Christ. The chairman of the Christian Association of Nigeria, Cannes, in the state, wants government to do more in subduing security threats in the country. Any government that knows that our responsibility first and foremost is to protect human lives and properties. She should stand up and do that promptly. The government should protect lives and properties of people. Government should create a peaceful environment for every citizen of the country to do their legitimate businesses and go about their day-to-day activities. If the government fails, then God is going to hold us at the helm of affairs responsible because it's a crime against humanity. So my call is that as people go about this celebration, let government provide a peaceful environment for people and let government rise to duty and do the needful. He urges politicians to embark on the politics of ideology. If we understand and believe that God gives power, we will not want to take power by hook or crook. We will understand that power is not a do or die affair. If God has destined you for it, you will get it. Now, moving on to Delta State, former president of the Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria based in Delta State calls on the world to celebrate the birth of Jesus in love and kindness, which can engender peace and unity in nations. My response message to all Christians and non-Christians alive, we are all offspring of one root and we should walk in peace and unity. And don't forget that the message of this season is aimed at reconciliation. Whatever differences that we may have had in color, in creed, in tribe or ethnicity, we should reconcile and recognize that we are one sovereign girl who rules over the earth. From all quarters, the message is the same. Let there be peace.


Good morning folks. This is Steve Rhodes coming to you live from the shores of well mostly rainy Delray Beach, Florida This year 11 a.m. Update day and the currently have all the us indices trading to the upside the Dow is up 264 points nearly 1% a little over 1% for the S&P or 42 points one and a half percent for the Nasdaq 173 2% for the Russell. She's up 33 points. There's some eyes are up 2% That's 45 points to the upside golds up 10 bucks silver 22 cents lights recruit up to 15 tradeout at 78 88 Natural gas back 16 cents and 30 year treasures off one point and one tick. She's trade at 125 15 Let's go take a look at that nine panel market update chart As we do that we could take a look at the ES mini upper left-hand side yesterday was a confirmed ATD nine count Pattern out there that says that key support is 36 60 25 What we should see is a rally now the rally there was a new profile that was trying to form that is now vanished So all subscribers out there. You can eliminate those. That's not the case with the NQ out there So where the ES mini should be targeting now? That's so easy for me. I need to be on a different pad Just trying to give you the target level here for the ES mini. Sorry about that little delay That's gonna be about the 3809 area. That's its red oscillator and chains line now the spot ball tonic still above It's 50 day exponential of an average so any kind of rug pulls are really to the downside and a big way out there And that will remain in effect until price closed below that 50 day currently printing at 25 60 It came in the case of the NQ it also has a TD nine count bottom That means it's a threshold support levels 11 to 29 and close below that when they gate the a pattern You could also get it by the d-point pattern for both the ES and the NQ today if they form a bullish reversal Now the NQ still has a new profile that is attempting to form that is above price 11684 is the bottom of that profile and that basically is a bearish message But we won't know until the end of the evening till the end of the afternoon Whether or not these profiles are gonna take hold or not or this profile specifically with regard to the US dollar next You could see the 1 to 1.272 a to b equal cd to the upside It typically don't form a sell the d-point with a widest ranging bar Some might suggest a further rally inside the US dollar gold has a TD nine count bottom as well As long as price remains above 16 2770 that pattern is active and suggest a further retracement Silver retrace right back to the area where a counter trend move would find support And that was at the center of its daily profile at the 1841 level like sweet crude even though it's got a nice little rally It does have a confirmed a to b equal cd to the downside that remains in effect as long as price is under 24 And a quarter looks like it wants to target the 69 18 level Folks stay tuned for the trader's edge. You know, but if you have to start your Tuesday Please have a terrific one and we'll look forward to seeing you again soon. Take care now


Hello and welcome to the session in which we will try to complete the integrated audit lessons and in this lesson we're going to look at the four reasons why we would modify internal control over financial reporting, modify the report. Now integrated audit is when the auditor audit the financial statements and audit the internal control over financial reporting at the same time and issue a report about both the financial statements also about internal control over financial reporting in the prior session we looked at the steps and we issued the report plan the engagement using top-down approach test and evaluate the design test and evaluate the operating effectiveness then we looked at the type of the different type of internal control deficiencies then we look at the issuer report non-issuer report and we looked at a clean opinion in this session we're going to look at reports where it's not a clean or we need to modify the report for one reason or the others and I summarize this into four reasons adverse opinion and under adverse opinion I have a sub reason called management report is not complete or not properly presented now some CPA review courses and some courses they have this as a separate session I believe they are connected when you have an adverse opinion and we say and we assume that management did not report the material weakness so I'm just going to combine them together you might have a scope issue we should all feel familiar with the scope it means you could not do the work referencing a component auditor someone else is working on the engagement and to provide additional information now if you know anything about far hat every time I have a list I'm going to go over this list step by step before we proceed any further I have a public announcement about my company farhat lectures dot com far hat accounting lectures is a supplemental educational tool that's going to help you with your CPA exam preparation as well as your accounting courses my CPA material is aligned with your CPA review course such as becker roger wiley gleam miles my accounting courses are aligned with your accounting courses broken down by chapter and topics my resources consist of lectures multiple choice questions true false questions as well as exercises go ahead start your free trial today no obligation no credit card required starting with adverse opinion adverse opinion it's basically a bad opinion when do we give a bad opinion when we have one material weakness one material weakness good enough in that report we are going to define the material weakness we are going to reference the description in the management report so we're going to reference that the description of it is in the management report or state that the management report did not identify the matter or did not present the matter properly and this is where I what this is what I wanted to say is this management report is not complete kind of related to adverse opinion because it it would arise from that so this is how I looked at it okay so also we have to determine the effect on the audit of the entity's financial statements simply put now we have an adverse opinion about internal control over financial reporting how is that going to influence the opinion about the financial statements themselves remember we are looking at two reports one is internal control over financial reporting and one is financial statement if we have a bad opinion here adverse how is that going to affect the financial statement well we might state whether the opinion on the financial statement was affected by adding an other paragraph an other matter paragraph we can do that or include in the paragraph that identified the material weakness or in the material weakness paragraph we can explain if there's any effect on the financial statements we could also have a scope limitation and at this point we should be familiar with the scope limitation is simply put we had some sort of a restriction we cannot perform the work we cannot collect sufficient appropriate evidence for one reason or the other what will we do under those circumstances we can withdraw from the engagement therefore not comfortable or just also we can disclaim an opinion stating the reasons for the disclaimer we need to consider also the effect on the audit on the financial statements under those circumstances now this is what an opinion a disclaimer would look like we were engaged audit Adams company internal control based on Koso because of the significance of the matter described in the basis for the disclaimer of opinion so we'll have it we'll have a paragraph disclaimer of opinion on internal control over financial reporting we have not been able to obtain sufficient appropriate audit evidence to provide basis for the audit opinion accordingly we don't express we are disclaiming an opinion on the effectiveness of Adams company internal control over financial reporting now this is basically PCA OB the ICPA will have a similar language but the point is you cannot collect enough evidence now if you found any weaknesses before you get to this point you would list any material weakness if any is found obviously without saying good informed management and those in charge with governance about the scope limitation and writing a third a third situation when you reference a component auditor now just like a financial statement yes you could use a third party to help with the internal control over financial reporting like another auditor maybe another party but you have to assess their competency and objectivity of that third party personnel and the firm overall it's very similar to the financial statement audit involvement however when it comes to mentioning or not mentioning it's the principal auditor's judgment whether you want to mention or not and bear in mind whether you mention or not is not related to the component auditor for the financial statement so the decision not related to referencing the component auditor of the financial statements what I'm trying to say is this for the financial statements you might also have a component auditor and you might mention them for the internal control over financial reporting you may not you may not mention them or you may mention them on the internal control over financial reporting and not mention them for the financial statement it is a judgment call provide additional information well when do we have to do that the classic case is when management report goes far or inconsistent for example when management says something under report remember management will have to assure report about their own internal control but if the management goes a little bit beyond what they're supposed to do and the classic question that comes on the exam is cost benefit statement for example they would have a report and they would say well we did not fix this internal control issue because the cost outweigh the benefit therefore we did not take care of this internal control issue now as an auditor we might have to add a paragraph saying that we want to disclaim like we don't want to say we agree so we might add another paragraph matter to disclaim an opinion on the other information in the management report because that's kind of basically another opinion by management and if somebody reading the report we don't want them to think that we agree with that statement and always it's better to ask management to change those you know inconsistent or out of the line in quote statements what should you do now integrated audit is an important topic on the CPA exam go to far hat lectures look at MCQs I have MCQs that were previously released by the AI CPA about this topic specifically go ahead look at the questions look at the answers wrap it up it's a lot of information here we have seven or eight recording about integrated audit trying to explain it step by step at this point you should know what integrated audit immediately auditing the financial statement is showing an opinion on auditing the internal control over financial reporting and is showing an opinion about both at the same time good luck study hard you just need three to five hours invested in this topic and you will get it done I'm always here for you