Right, hopefully we're recording. We are here on Thursday the 17th with the gorgeous prize from Esoteric Atlanta. And myself, we have got Janine Stephens from Turn the Page with Janine. We've wanted to get you on for ages, Janine, before we get into the other person personal. How are you? I'm doing really good. Things are starting to look up in the current events and the weather here is getting much nicer in Northwest Arkansas. I think we have like 75 degrees, which is fantastic.  I'm in a basement office here. And other than that, life is really good for me. Fantastic. Every time I see Bryce's suntan, I'm jealous because obviously, but we've got spring here in the coming in the UK and it's a gorgeous day, Janine. Just a bit of sunshine makes so much difference to the mood, doesn't it? Yeah, it really does. Yeah, well, they say, all you need is 15 minutes a day in the sun just to get to change your mood. Absolutely. It's supposed to be running around naked so your whole body's exposed. Okay, so apparently in Florida, the state of Florida, apparently you can run around naked in your yard and no one can do anything about it because it's your lawn. I learned that. And here, you're not allowed to, where you are. I don't think so. I think it's a decent exposure, but apparently in Florida, you can mow your lawn, but ask naked if no one can do anything about it because it's your property. That's why I love Florida. Oh my goodness. I thought it was us Brits that were prudish. So Janine, there were a lot of strings to your bow. Where do you wanna start? Do you wanna start with turn the page or your cash it records? Where do you fill in Jordan to start? I'll start with the cash it records actually because that's always been my passion. Can I just go back a little bit and explain how I got to this point? Okay. So I think I was, my father passed away when I was 29 and I remember working in a corporate job and just doodling on a piece of paper. There must be more to life than this.  And I just started to research. Well, you know, like how the 90s where you had, well, like Dr. Northrup, Christine Northrup, excuse me. We've read all of her books, Carolyn Mays. I think I stalk Carolyn Mays because I took so many of her classes and I traveled. And she was the one that actually woke me up. I was laying on a couch thinking, oh my God, there must be more to life than this. And all of a sudden on a PBS station, Carolyn Mays popped up and it was like she was talking directly to me. And that's why I started my research was about that time. So I learned everything about all the different healing modalities that were out there. And then I came upon the Akashic Records. And it was almost to me like it was an initiation for me. And so after you go through this particular training, and it was an extensive training manual, there's other people that were in this group, if you will. And we were, I was reading somebody in this golden light. I saw this gold, it blinded me. I was like, I couldn't even see the person in front of me. I just saw this golden light. It was almost like if I was getting some sort of a download. And I was able to obtain information on everybody in the room. And it was kind of, I was shy. I didn't want to say anything. But then they put us all in a circle and said, to kind of compare notes, if you will. And I just started speaking to these gentlemen and the women and they were just like, oh my God. And so I knew something happened at that point and I fell in love with the Akashics. The energy of Kasha is how I like to look at it. And so I went through and one of the things you have to do what they said you should do when you're going through this training is do readings for 30 days for free for other people just to get a feel for it. I had so many people lined up outside my door. I couldn't keep up with it. And finally I went back to my teacher and I said, this is how many people I have. And she says, well, that's way too much. You've done what you needed to do for humanity. Now let's say you have to get an exchange of energy of money for this. And I still at that point didn't think I was making much of a difference but I heard the feedback because I was too, I don't know what the word was. I didn't have my self-esteem there if you will to know I was helping them. So I continued doing that with Reiki and I was learning cranial sacral work but this Akashic information just kept coming to me. And so I went through the corporate world trying to split my two worlds if you will, matrix and out of matrix if you will. And I did it for a long time until the COVID came in. Can I say that? So the C-19 came in and actually before that my husband and I had gotten married. So I married a little bit later in life. He had no idea what I knew. And then one day when we were moving I'm finding my tarot cards because I read tarot cards too that's where I used to start out. And we found all my little toys and he came, what is this? What is this? Oh, you're one of those. And I'm like, what on what?  I'm going to do this. And one of the things I said, well, what am I gonna do with it is the Akashics came back to me.  So that's what I did. And from that I started my channel and I was channeling the information on the name and stuff like that. So that I've told the story before was I was driving in the car and I'm listening and saying, okay, I'm asking. I'd like to drive and meditate. And I get information as I'm driving and the song came on turn the page from Bob Seeger. And I loved Bob Seeger. And I just thought, wow, that's a really cool thing. I could use it different ways. Turn the page for interviewing authors, turn the page is, okay, we're moving on. That type of thing. And so I asked nature, you know, my animal totem is the red tail hawk. And as I'm driving a red tail hawk flew over the top of my car and I said, that's it. That's what I'm gonna do. I couldn't wait to get home. You know, I gotta get home when I figure out this YouTube thing. And I just started and it was called turn the page with Janine and that's how that started. So it went into that and I thought, well, I'm gonna also do the readings with it too. But, you know, I believe it's changed because I like calling it the Akashic records because I was a label that I think humans put on it. But when I actually get into the energy of it, I'm in Akasha. And whatever I'm channeling at various levels of dimension, that's the information that I'm getting for that person in front of me. So I could be at a psychic level and I could be getting somebody's loved one that's coming that wants to give a message. Or I could be even in a different dimension where they say that the Akashics are higher. Whatever information I get, I share with them. And then I added value to it because a lot of times if I would give the information, people would still have that look on their face and I would add the archetypes to it. I said, how would this go with adding? I'm asking Spirit, how would this go with adding it? And it was beautiful. People understood that is kind of like, okay, so I'm playing out this. And I tell them that the archetypes will change as they change. So- Explain to her, if there's any audience members watching that don't have no clue what the Akashic records are, just never, can you explain just briefly like what that is? Sure, yeah. The Akashic, but first of all, Akashic is a fifth element. It's space ether. And that's when I say that I'm tapping into the Akasha. That's what I'm tapping in is the ether. So the Akashic record is if, and because I was in the computer industry for 30 years, this is how my analogy is, it's one big computer system. And inside that computer system, you have records and files. So I'm actually accessing that based upon your intent of your question. So one of the things I ask people to do is to sit down and really think about their question because it's the intent behind it. So a lot of times what happens is I'll get information, but it also will take me to another past life. So people will bring some of the past life information into this life. And it's almost like it's on the same timeline that they're bringing this pattern with them. That's the best way I can explain it. And they'll play it out. And sometimes we'll try to work with that because it's at the cellular level and we'll try to, I bring awareness to them. And then once I actually bring, I'll get back to the Akashic, but once I actually bring that awareness to them, I leave it up to them. I give them homework, if you will, because they have the awareness. And now that they have the awareness, if they see it, they will have to keep working on themselves. I don't take control of that. I give them the information, I empower them with that information. And that's what this is all about right now at this time is everybody being empowered, right? Taking back our power. But going back to the Akashic record, so basically at the time that we are incarnated, right? We come in and we have all this information within us and I'm tapping into what it is that they're bringing into and based upon their questions. So that's the Akashic records. That's the best way that I can explain it. Can you explain the archetypes to people as well? Yeah, sure. So the archetypes is that each one of us to actually play out. Oh, well, there's, I studied 70 archetypes that people could have.  And a lot of times it's say like a trickster, if you will. The trickster could be a, could be a playful thing that, you know, that you use humor and things and stuff like that. And, but then on the other side, you're doing it for manipulation type of thing. So when I get like an archetype of a storyteller, I get a lot of those within people that are light workers, they have some information that they wanna share with somebody and they could put it in symbols or words or stuff like that. Then there's the opposite end of it where, you know, it's basically the information that they're wanting to share. And then on the opposite end of it, there might be something that they use it again for the negative side of things. So there's always that light and dark. And a lot of times the people that come to me, I see more often the good side of it, but then there's a pattern that may get them stuck. They have it, but then there's this pattern and then I go into asking them. So it's almost like I get these pictures in my mind. So I take it from level to level with them to help them with their healing. Does that make sense? Yes. Your shadow work is so important. It's so important. And Janine, when you're working with a client, it's really interesting to see how Mitzi has really wanted to be in with this conversation, has she's really wanted to be in with you? Is this the new cat? Yes, this is the new cat. But as soon as you started talking, she came and really wanted to join in. When you're working with a client as a generalization, is it sort of a one-off or is it an ongoing sort of helping them work through various issues? Or is it everything in between? Well, a lot of times it's everything in between, but a lot of times they will come back because I do a 30-minute session. So this is interesting if I could actually bring this up. There is an Akasha community of people, and they set these guidelines. And it almost reminds me of corporate. Do this, do this, do this. Well, you don't tell Janine what to do because I'm going to break the rules no matter what. And I thought about this because I know that when I used to do readings, they could be an hour and a half. That's a lot of time. So what I narrowed it down to was like 30 minutes, three questions. And a lot of times you can go beyond that. I do go beyond that, especially if they're really needing it. I just don't give up the time. So a lot of times I'll go through it and they'll get the information and I'll say, here's your homework. This is what you could do. Once you do that, if you decide to come back to me, I'll know if you've done your homework. And then you can come back and have another session. I do get repeat people coming back to me. And one of the things that they always say is I wish there was a community. That's why I started up my community in Catherine. Thank you so much. You're the first one to respond to that email. Don't do anything. But when I saw your email, Janine, and this is one of the things that has appealed to me right from the start with you, is the fact that you really have gone into, obviously, I only knew you through when you started to turn the page with Janine. But I love the way that you're genuinely really interested in speaking to so many different people and then sharing your knowledge and passing that forward. So when I saw your email about your community, I just thought, what a wonderful idea. And the sort of nervous bit of me sort of kicked in and thought, don't know if I'm gonna have enough to share. And then I thought, well, whatever needs to be shared will be shared. But it's so lovely that you're doing that. Because Bryce and I have been talking a lot. Haven't we, Bryce, about this whole community? I need to, did I kind of look and see if I missed so many emails? Because I want to be a part of this community too. This is fascinating. Not only that too, that if there's so many people that love what the work that both of you guys do.  There's seven billion people in this world. There's enough people that we could share to, or basically not share, but we help in the communities, right? This could actually be one big heck of a community, but I thought what I would do is bring in one person to kind of tell us, because everybody loves you guys. And before I go any further with it, Catherine, I saw that you jumped in one of my chats on one of my shows and some gentleman says, Catherine, I just love you. Or I'm in love with you is what he wrote. And you said, and I read it. Well, I'm trying to do this show. I saw this and you were like, well, I sure hope you like animals because I have cats and dogs and horses. Yes. I love it. I love your sense of humor. And that's what makes up who you are. But so this community is, I have it like, you know, it's Patreon. I knew nothing about Patreon. So I said, all right, so the basic one, if people just want to get together as a community and they're not interested in it. So the next level up would be, okay, you are interested in energy work, but you want the Q and A. And then the third one is the VIP where, you know, Bryce or Catherine comes in and you tell your story, just like you're asking me.  And then there would be a Q and A. And so I thought, why not bring in all the people that everybody is watching on social media into this. And if you guys even think to take it to the next level, we just kind of rotate within our own communities that you guys have set up, right? That sounds amazing. I'm obviously, I must have missed the email because that's, I miss a lot of emails. But that sounds awesome. I would love that. Because this stuff is fascinating to me because we as human beings, we're so much more complex than we really understand. And I think understanding the complexity is the first start in starting to like crack yourself open. And I love that you're able to pick up on like, you know, in the yoga world, we call it karma, which I think people don't really understand in the West what karma is. All karma is, is action and reaction. It's your work. And we carry patterns over from life to life to life to life. And if we don't deal with them, they become like a samskara, which is like a, you know, the old record players where you get a scratch in the record and it was skipped. Oh yeah. Yeah, it becomes one of those to the point where it's gonna be so hard to break that. But aww. You guys have had incredible good karma from a past life to be in this situation right now. So, and so when we were, and I love talking about the shadow stuff too, this is something I've noticed is that so many people, when they enter into a spiritual practice, whatever it be, what may be, they have this kind of diluted idea that it's gonna be just light, love and happiness. But most spiritual work is real dark. It's real painful. Alana Denand did a whole thing and stuff that you know that's been around you. So she did that. And yeah, you know what? I tend to not want to even go there and talk about it because you bring attention to it. I don't like bringing attention to that kind of stuff, but yeah, you're right. It is. And the other thing too is a lot of light workers, so I see the various levels because I was a program and that's kind of how my mind works, right? We are all programs somehow. But when somebody comes to me and they're need healing and they're saying, how do I get involved with the community and stuff like that? I heard it over and over and I can't just sit back and just not build something for people to go to, right? So that's where my thought was in how it evolves. I just made a video and said, however it evolves, it's gonna evolve on its own. It's gonna take on a, you know, whatever it is. And I was just speaking with you guys, this would be excellent. So a lot of people, and I did say that Catherine Edwards would be the first one. I think it was on April 28th to come out and talk. And then all of a sudden, everybody is like gonna gravitate towards Catherine Edwards and her healings and stuff like that. And then, you know, somebody else will come in and let's say, I don't know, Toro by Janine would be interested, but there's gotta be a lot of people out there that don't wanna learn the Toro cards, right? But they can at least get the information from them and then go off and find someone that teaches Toro. So there might be somebody in that community that says, I can help you learn Toro. So it's just all a very even exchange of information beyond what we do right now. I think it's a huge commitment, but I'm also planning on having other people step up within the community to take these things over too. So. It's very like you and Steph started, wasn't it, Bryce? So you and Steph a while ago, quite a few months ago, and Stephanie has then taken that forward to set her community and her little groups up. So. Well, that's all her. I just promoted it just as the groups and support groups and all that kind of stuff because that really is, you know, I mean it when I say at the Romdospot, we really are all just walking each other home, like we're all holding this together. We all have to do our own work on ourselves. No one can do your own work for you, but we really are a community doing this together. We are the storm. We are a vibration. We are energy. And that requires us to each, that be sovereign in our own, own our records, own who we are, own our shadow side or light side, all of that. But also if we all did that together and helped each other along the way, this world will be such a better place. And I think that's one thing I love about this community is I think most of us are understanding that in a very deep level. The whole where we go when we go all isn't just a slogan. You know, like it literally is. We are literally in this together. And my belief is, is that we all agree to come here at this time together anyway. We made that agreement to be here for this moment too. And so therefore we gotta live like we're in this moment and not just ignore it and, you know, kind of hard to get stuff right now. But some people do, but... Yeah, I always say too on my channel where we go one, we go all, there's more to that just saying verbatim. It's just like it's no different from telegram. Everybody has a telegram channel and when they see some, or if they have some information that pops up, they just take it and they forward to the next one, to the next one, to the next one. I basically shut down my channel and said, if you don't vet this information because you don't know if it's half truth or not, don't put it into this channel here. I probably sounded really bad, but I shut the channel down for a day and said that and put a posting in there. If you read through it and it resonates with you and you've looked up the information, you could forward it over to me because I take a lot of that information and I put it on my show. It's almost like I'm doing the news in the morning. And, but I'll look at it and I go, this doesn't seem right. And I'll take it and I'll move it or delete it. And so that's what we have to do is we have to start being a, not shallow or we can't be at the shallow point anymore. We have to be, we have to just really start to take ownership of everything that we do. Every, well, Bryce, you know about all this. Every action has a reaction and stuff so on and so forth. And I think that's how we get so much disinformation out there. We all got confused. We were just talking about this, weren't we, Bryce? So Bryce and I've just recorded a coffee chat and we were just talking about exactly this, Janine, because about that self-accountability of is so, so important because, you know, it's got to start with you. It's got to start with you. And that's what I love about what you were saying about the Akashic records. And I can see how that really fits into everything else you're doing because we have to all admit that we've all got shadow parts to us as well. And that's normal. It's not something that we need to keep pushing under the carpet and pretending that doesn't exist. It's something that it can be really constructive and important to actually acknowledge and then decide what you want to do about it. Yeah. I mean, when we came in here, we incarnated. We knew that at some point that, like Bryce said, we were going to be here. And I probably said, if I come back, I want to meet Bryce and I want to meet Katherine Edwards if I'm going to do this. You know, and sometimes I think, boy, I wish I was younger when I chose to come in here because look at all this cool stuff that's going on. But as some of them say, we're going to live for like 400 years. But yeah, there is a, how else are we going to learn? We came here to experience being in this vehicle, right? And so there's many levels to that also. So there, you could have the good side that you totally enjoy and you know that you're in the light. But when you feel that you're not in the light, that's a shadow side that's coming up when I always say, we're feeling stuck, right? We can't move forward. What is that stopping us? So when they asked the question, I asked them the journal or to meditate on the question that they're going to ask me, I always know what the next question is going to be. It's just that it's just that it's just how long I've been doing this. And people always go, how did you know? That's my next question. How did you know? I'm a little, it's a pattern. We all have these problems. And the shadow side is important too. I know I've been talking about this a lot. I know this through my own 15 years of my own spiritual journey outside of YouTube is the shadow side of yourself, it creates the friction that's needed for the change. You can't change without resistance. You can't change without friction. And so it's something that has to be explored in order to spark that change, to spark that course correction, to change that pattern, to change that karma. And so it's so important for people to really look at that within themselves. I know Sean Stone had said that even with what we have going on in the world right now with the 1% we'll say in the heinous activities they've been up to, even though none of us on this panel are no one watching whatever do what they've done, what it does do though in the macro is that it shows the micro. It forces you to have to look within yourself at that darkness. And that's really uncomfortable to do. And but once you're able to do that, that puts you in such a better, healthier position. It also grounds you too, which I find what's happening now, and I kind of have been feeling that too, Janine, seeing all this stuff come up all the time and there is such thing as junk conspiracy. There is such thing as fake stories being put out there to derail. And I personally am getting, this is my personal opinion, getting really annoyed with assuming all these people are alive when some of them aren't. You know, and it's like we have to ground ourselves. We have to be able to pull, settle into something, look at something for a while, settle into it, and then proceed forward. And I think sometimes we're so eager just to go to this other place instead of actually pulling back and saying, hold on a second, let me think about this, let me research this, I love that. And that's what we, this is what this journey has taught us, right? Like we weren't researching what people were putting out. That's why we got in the position we're in as humanity. It's called critical thinking. We forgot how to do that. And so we even have to critically think with stories coming out on our own side of the stuff, like looking at things with a critical eye, you know? Right. Yeah, definitely. And one other piece I want to add to it too is an ego. So our ego, I always say is easing God out, right? So in my sessions, I will always let somebody know that, you know, what the energy will feel like when they're on the right path and they're in the light. And then when the ego comes in, it's also going to create the egos there for a number of reasons, but sometimes it protects us and other times it just brings our life to a halt. So if people are in the matrix, they've got an ego because there was this mind control stuff that was happening with the television, right? So their ego is going to protect them from believing that they were duped, right?  There's so many different words out there that you could use because everybody thinks, you know, that's just the way that, what I've been observing, I can't speak for what everybody else is, sorry, this is my dog here. She's just- I was just about to make some comment about your tail because I love tails and it looks like you've got one, which would make me very jealous. But isn't it interesting how the animals come to us when we're in this space and in these energies of having this conversation?  She's hungry or she wants to go out, but I don't see that. She just wants to be here with me. Yeah. Like a golden, this is my golden bailey bull, but yeah. So yeah, she lets me know when time's up for a lot of things.  You've been sitting here too long. So in any case, yes. So we also have, there's so many pieces to the puzzle, but within 30 minutes, what I try to do with the records is I just try to address what's important. And a lot of times people will come back to me to continue what I'm. And, you know, which is good. And a lot of times it'll give them enough to get them going and if they don't. And if I feel like they're not getting it, I'll know right away. You know what I'm saying? But they don't get it. They're not open to the information. And that's the ego. So I have to recognize that too in a reading. And do I bring it forward? Yes, I will let them know. And, you know, they may not be getting it right when I'm saying it, two of them, but they will, I think they will ponder on the information. So once I really understand where I'm coming from with the information, I could tell that they're in the light, they're receiving the information and then the other ones may not be. But a lot of times people just wanna know, okay, I'm at this point in my life and I don't know where to go and I feel stuck. And so I'll open up the information and work with them on that. And I'll say, you know, nobody's gonna do it for you. We all have to take control of our power.   That's what all this is about. My slogan of the show is turn the page, but it's helping humanity one show at a time. And that's what I strive to do all the time. That's amazing. And how has sort of bringing your YouTube channel in, how is that? Because one of the things Bryce and I talk about a lot is where when people are really stepping into their purpose and they really feel that they're doing what they were meant to be doing at that stage in their life. And obviously it can change many times as we go through life. What has that extra brought to you? Has it brought you extra energy? Has it brought you sort of more compassion? What sort of things have you noticed? I'm alive more. I have more joy. I wake up, it's not like I was working for corporate and go, oh, shit, I gotta go into their office. It's more or less, okay, I got an idea. I'm gonna go downstairs. Then my husband, he's back in the office now so he has to be at work at 6.30 in the morning. And I'm up before him and I'm already downstairs and he's shaking his head, still trying to wake up. And he keeps talking about retiring. And I could see that he's still in the matrix. He's got one foot out. He kind of believes what I do. He doesn't watch my videos either. Unless I say, well, did you see that one? And then I'll have to go and look it up because he wants to keep peace. But that's what it does for me. I feel more alive than I ever have before. I know that I'm in the right place and I've been waiting for this moment my whole entire life. Some people find it earlier and I think that as the energies change, do we get closer and closer to this craziness? I just knew that how I knew was everything was making sense to me, which I thought never made sense before. And I was such a rebel in it because I always tried to bring my essence into the corporate world. And I kept, I kept leaving jobs. I kept getting fired. I just didn't last. But I knew that I had to work for a living like everybody else did. But in the same time, I also still did all this other things because I was always sitting on the fence. And I think that this is a time that we can't sit on the fence anymore. Speaking of energy though, I think that's such an important thing you just pointed out. You know, I think sometimes we get so stuck in like survival mode in our lives because that's what the matrix demands, right? The matrix demanded that of us. Like they kept up in the ante, keeping up with the Joneses, everything got more expensive. And I have noticed that as well. It's like when you, sometimes we convince ourselves that we're okay.  It's like the energy tells the truth. But whereas you're up and ready to go because you're actually enjoying, doesn't mean we don't get tired. YouTube could be very exhausting. But it's a good tired. It's a fulfilling tired. Yes, YouTube can be very tired, but it's different because there's more, it's putting your heart and soul into it. And I think that's such an important observation. And I think everybody can look back at their life and look at their, the gauge their energy as to how they really were feeling in a certain situation. Cause the mind will play tricks on you sometimes, but how they really were, were faring at certain jobs and that certain, you know, even relationships, all that kind of stuff where, where versus when they were in a flow, they were in like in alignment with what they, their soul actually wanted to do. It is, it is being in a flow to be honest with you. And that's, that's what I know that I'm in the flow. And you know, once I, once it's funny because a lot of times I don't think I do very well. I'm tough on myself as I could be tough on others. And then it's almost like it's, it's my inner child that I still have to work with, right? And it's almost like I'm not deserving enough or something. If I read up, if I read something that was very, what I think is very critical, cause I am very sensitive and emotional. But, you know, those things actually help me, believe it or not, they do. And they'd make, it gives me more creativity. It's something that I wasn't thinking of okay, now you've just opened up my world. That's how I'm going to take it. I'm going to take your negative and turn it into my positive. And, and, you know, that just, it just gives me, and I think everybody should think about that too. A lot of times people just kind of stab, they put the brakes on because, you know, you'll be constantly being told by somebody it's in the matrix, you can't do that. What are we thinking? It is interesting. I mean, I, you get into language patterns that you don't know. So when I first started doing videos, I was just like, God, does that mean, do I say that all the time?  But one thing I heard someone say, and I'm sorry, I can't remember who I heard say it, is it's like changing the words at all. So I would always say I'm really busy and then people would almost like take pity on me and I'm like, no, I love my busy. It's not, I'm not running away from something. I'm looking at my life. Again, what we just spoke about, but I was looking at my day and there's nothing I've once dropped from that. I'm enjoying all of it and I've got the energy to do it all because it's such a cliche, but when you're doing what you love, it's not work.  So why am I doing it good when I get to that age? I stop, like, well, no. But I've started replacing it instead of saying when people are saying, oh, how's your day? Instead of saying busy because that can, people can judge that in a negative way. Just saying full is really beautifully full because it is beautifully full and everyone's got different things they want. Again, this might change at different stages of life. So I'm the type of person where I love doing different things. I love being on the go. I love being outside and everything. And other people aren't. Other people's idea of when they really fill in the flows when they're sitting down on the sofa with a book in front of the fire or something. So it's different for all of us. But what you realize is when you are really on purpose what I've realized is the criticism bounces off a lot easier, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it truly does. Yeah, that is true. But, you know, overall, we just all have to find the place that makes us happy, right? Whether, you know, I've been hearing a lot of more people say instead of saying good morning, because morning is death, right? Either saying happy rising or something like that. And actually, at first I saw it once or twice in the chat. I said, okay, well, that's great, because people are trying to change their verbiage and also like free dumb. When you're speaking, I'm hearing free. You're free, you're free.  So I like to just say I'm free or it's free or something like that. But yeah, the languaging is very important because they, well, Bryce talks about this a lot. I've watched some of your shows about, you know, the spells and stuff like that. And I think that was part of it, right? Spelling, the word spelling, all of that. It's a negative side, but I think we're, it's gonna take time for all that to change. And I think there's gonna be so many people. The whole idea of racism and our consciousness for each individual, if there's seven billion people in this world besides those 13 families that I hope are gone now, is that each one of us, as we do this, we change the vibration and we change the planet, we change everything, right? Isn't that what this is all about? We're to get to the place that we are all free? Yeah, it's a collective consciousness. It's a, I've been saying that for a long time, like I think we're the storm. I think we are the storm and it's us shifting. It's us shifting our energy and shifting it towards, and but Catherine said it great on a show where you have the tuning forks. If one tuning fork is vibrating higher than another, it will pull that other tuning fork up as well. And so it is that collective consciousness getting the whole collective to start to look, to understand, there has to be a breakdown. We had to go through that phase of understanding what had been done so that we're educated because knowledge is power. But now that we have that knowledge, we saw the darks, like you're saying there's a dark and light side of it. We know what the dark side is, but now it's our responsibility to turn that energy around because it's true. Energy can't be destroyed or created. It can only be shifted.  No. No, my God, the opium. The opium.  He's like, what are you saying? And I said, it's a made up word for people that are expecting this new system to come into place. And I don't even know if that is true or not. I don't know anything because I haven't seen any facts or data to base it.  The only way that I could ever create something is based off of facts and data and know that it's actually true by testing it, right? And I've been saying if there's gonna be a new financial system coming into place, because I do know computers that they must be running a parallel to the old legacy system. They've got to see and they're testing it and testing and that may take time. I'm trying to let people know that there's not gonna be a switch that's flipped them. We're just gonna be in euphoria or whatever you wanna call it that all this is gonna happen. If they're basing it all off of money, money has an energy. Energy has money.  I mean, it's just pushing your power in someone else, isn't it? It's like you can't solve a problem. Can I take a bit of your power? Yeah, and you can't solve a problem from the same consciousness it was created in. And I think that's so true. And this is why I just love having these discussions because every single time someone will say something like, oh yeah, oh yeah, I hadn't think of that because obviously I've got my box and my awareness that I look at my life through and then Janine's got hers and Bryce has got hers. But when we all bring it together with a really open heart of raising consciousness which we're all doing and raising our understanding in the process, you learn something every single day that get that then you look at everything changes when you look at it through that lens. And that's going back to the community. That's why it's so important that we could pass this information so the more people that are joining this community, so I start a community and then you start a community and Bryce has a community and everybody's traveling around in these communities, just think of the amount of information that awareness that we're bringing to people. And not only that, what I've been hearing on this negative side is people that are aware of this, if you will, and they say, oh boy, these sleepers are gonna be shocked when they find out. And I say, and actually I went to Alana Danana and we were talking about this because I think she's coming up on my show real soon and we're actually gonna be talking about the future children. But going back to that, I said to her, what are your thoughts on this? And she says, why would we raise our consciousness and our vibration and have the ones that are sleeping go through the devastation? Why don't you think of it as like we are helping raise our vibration and they are feeling it and they know it and it's not gonna be as devastating and painful for them. And I said, that's beautiful, that's God's work, right? That's the part of the plan, the bigger plan, if you will. Why would we want to watch them go through the suffering? Does that make sense? You know what I'm saying? So as we change, they're changing on a level that we're not even aware of. And it goes, it's like that pattern of teacher, student, student, teacher, student, teacher. And I look at like Mr. T and like the Kennedys and all these big wigs who, I know they're working really hard, they're doing a lot and I appreciate that. But in a lot of ways, I look at them as like teachers. They showed us things that we learned. And now it's our job to also be that helping hand for someone else as well, helping pull them up too. But it's like, as far as like the good guys, a teacher's job is to eventually not be needed. And so that's taking our power back and our sovereignty back. And yet the whole attitude of wait for the sleeper is just to crumble and fall when they find all this out. That's not you passing on. The way that they were able to teach us these things was in a very loving way. The way that Mr. T, everybody that was bringing, exposing this, the propaganda that he titled, the FAKE News. I don't know if I can say that, but algorithms. But that was a way for us to start getting the wheels turning in our brains and the critical thinking started. And that's now got to be passed on to the next group. And you're right, as we're starting to awaken, other people are starting to awaken whether they know it or not. So many things that used to be like not even heard of are now pretty common knowledge. You've only got to look back. There's so many things doing the rounds that smoking was good for your health and then a DDT kept the bugs away. And all laptops about to go. But yeah, I think also everyone learns in different styles. And so the people that we might call awake, I always got very offended for sheep when they call them sheep or sheep. But the whole point is they won't go through the same process as us because we're all living our lives in different ways. And there's a saying, it means it's bliss. And for some people it is. And if you're the type of person that accepts something at face value, then you don't need to go through all that pain of questioning and thinking what could have been done differently. They just move on. So I think we spend so much time projecting onto how others are gonna see things and everything. Whereas actually if we put some of that attention back on ourselves, everything sorts out back to the tuning force again. Yeah, exactly. That's perfect analogy that Bryce did with the tuning force, yeah. So as one, you hit one and one is louder than they're powerful than the other, the other one, they come together. But it's great. I haven't said that on a show a while ago. And I was watching that show and she said that I was like, ding, ding, ding, that's it. And I will say too, now of course there are people from my life that I've lost that I would love to be like I told you so and get that apology from. But we have to, when we have that sense of wanting people to suffer, that is really coming from a hurt within ourselves. I don't know if it's wanting them to suffer but I think it's that they have so much compassion because what they found out and what they know now especially with the children and all that, that I think they were thinking that they were gonna, that what they're gonna go through because what we've gone through. But I think it'll be a little bit more easier cause we signed up for this everybody. We totally signed up for this. We said we're gonna be the ones in the forefront of doing this to make it easier for everybody else, right? And we've talked about this, like somebody, I've said this before, somebody sent me a video once from that joint, we'll say that restaurant joint up in DC that, you know, or they play, you know, and there's, I think you guys know the place I'm talking about. But there was a recording standing outside of the restaurant of a child who was obviously in distress. And I could only listen to a couple seconds of it and I turned it off because it was so upsetting and it really like unnerved me and like I was quite, maybe cry like, and so I look back that now and is it necessary? I know we've talked, spoken about this Catherine, is it necessary for every human being to understand the full extent of what happened? Is that even necessary to know? Maybe they chose not to come in at that level. Exactly. We can't have it both ways, can it?  We're all here. We've all got completely different lessons to learn.  And I think we need to stop worrying about the sleepers. They're not sitting there worrying about us for a very good reason, because we're not going to achieve anything, but what we can do is just, you know, trust that they'll be all right and get on with it really, because a lot of what we're projecting is our worries onto them. And as I said, everyone I know who thinks that I'm a complete nutter, they're not sitting there about worrying about any of these things. Right, exactly. That is so profound in so many ways that what you just said there, because I can't imagine that my husband's sitting there at work going, oh, I hope she's okay. Yeah.  I should make one, but it's a waste of a foil. A foil. Well, I've shared this story with Katherine before. My sister, you know, we have to remember compassion too. And yeah, everybody has a different perception. And my sister's son, my nephew's best friend, back when this whole shenanigans started in like 2020, my sister saw through it just like we did, but she was on the phone with her son's best friend's mother.  And my sister was on the phone and it hit, my sister told me like hit her that, oh my gosh, she's really scared. And she all of a sudden felt all this compassion for her son's best friend's mother that she was genuinely afraid that something was going to happen, the responsibility she had as a mother for her children, for her and her spouse to keep them healthy, to keep them safe. And my sister was like, oh my gosh, like here I am getting frustrated with people who are acting this way and believing this, but to hear someone talk, I realized how afraid they are and it's painful. And I have so much- It is. It was, when my sister told me that it was so eye-opening to hear her speak about that, like all of a sudden she felt empathy for this woman because she was genuinely afraid. And we have to remember that, that people are- Can you realize how, can you realize how that rippled across the universe?  And, but it is, what you just said, it is very, very important, but that is also another reason why I started this community that there's a, there's a lot of people out there that are afraid and they just don't know what to do with that energy because if they try to talk to somebody else and tell them their information that they have, so join the community and get in there and talk to people and feel like you're normal again because there's, I think a lot more, I don't know what the word normal means, but there's a lot more like-minded people that will join these communities until they feel okay, they are safe, if you will. And where your knowledge is, is when you empower yourself and knowledge. So like for me, I'm a biologist, I've been into natural health, natural remedies for humans and animals for years, more years than I care to admit. So I don't have any fear around that because I understand what I can do personally to protect myself and my two and four-legged family. However, I'm not a strong swimmer and I ran a retreat in the Maldives a few years ago with a friend. It was absolutely amazing in a completely sort of remote island in the Maldives, but we all went out on a boat trip and we went out to the boat trip into the middle of the ocean. It was absolutely amazing, the sea life was amazing, but we all got out to go snorkeling and then the boat drifted away and suddenly in the middle of the thing, there was not a single thing for as far as you could see that you could hold onto. So I started almost having a panic attack because I'd never been in that situation before. And then other people thought it was funny because they were really strong things and they weren't remotely worried about it. So we've all got our different things that will push us over the limit. And to someone who's a really strong swimmer and has been in that situation, I'd never even snorkeled before. It wasn't remotely scary, but to me who'd never been in that situation for, I was suddenly like, if I get tired or cramped, there's nothing for me to hold onto at all. So I think that every time I think about laughing about people which I have done, I will put my hand up who are really scared to that. I think, yeah, but because I've got the knowledge and I understand why I'm not scared. They've got different knowledge but they probably wouldn't be scared in the middle of that ocean and I am. You know, we've all got our different triggers, haven't we, and our different areas where we feel really vulnerable. Yeah, mine is actually out here in Arkansas, they have a lot of caves, a lot of underground stuff and I won't go in them. Maybe I was one of those in another lifetime that was down under the tunnels. I don't know, maybe there was a lot of us that have come back that the 13 families have done something to re-incarnate it. I believe in reincarnation and we've come back and we said, maybe we all did that. We said, we're not gonna allow them to do that so that's why we're here at this time. But I watched my reaction going into these caves and my husband was so excited about it and I'm like, I can't, I can't. No matter what, how close, another step I took, I got more fear and I have to address that and I thought, maybe that's what that is. I don't know, I'm not gonna open up my records and find out cause I don't want it, I don't want it. I'm not there yet. Yeah, yeah. You know, so you have to look at everything as a mirror reflection, right? Everything is a mirror reflection of people that I'm talking to. I know that they're a mirror reflection of me as I am them and they always will tell me before they end the session that I just love what you do and I says, you can do it too and you have it in you, you know. So we are all one. We sure are. Oh, it's just been such a pleasure getting to know you more because we're used to seeing you asking all the questions. So I love, love, love, getting to know you more. Is there any sort of final message that you want to share with people? Yeah, just to really, the one thing that I like to share with everyone is just take time to, you know, just take the time to breathe a little bit.  It doesn't have to be anything.  If you want to get, you know, if you're alone by yourself, you're feeling lonely, go to the store, go to the supermarket, talk to people at the post office, whatever it is in your community to get back in touch because I think a lot of people from being isolated for so many years have gotten used to being isolated and they're tired of it. We're all tired of it and we just need to connect physically again. You know, I think these zooms are really good for its purposes, but at the same time, I sure wish I could give you guys a hug. Yeah. Hopefully soon. Hopefully soon. Yes, you know, that we all get together and just celebrate life. You're welcome over here. We've got lots. So if you can all come and play with my guinea pigs. Love it. Thank you so much, Janine. It's been such a pleasure, Bryce. It's always such fun doing this, isn't it? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I just love you ladies. You guys are wonderful and I would love to come back because I was so nervous to do this. I'm like, oh my God. Well, you didn't. But you guys... You handled that like a pro. Yeah, some of the people that followed me from the beginning, they said, oh my gosh, don't take this the wrong way. But when we first saw you and now where you're at, I'm like, I'm growing. Just like everybody else is growing, you know? Listen, we all do. That is one thing about running a YouTube channel. For people watching, if you start a channel like the first video that you release, if you go back and look at it, you're like, oh my God, you learn so much. You learn so... But that's why we're here. We're here to grow and learn. So... Yeah. As always, all the links to find your name will be below in the description blocks below the video. So your website, obviously, I mean, everyone knows your YouTube channel, but we'll put that there and everything. And we will definitely be back to follow up with part two. Oh my gosh, I would love to come back. Thank you guys so much. And I appreciate it. And Bryce, I'm gonna see you soon too. Monday. Monday, absolutely. I'm gonna see you on Monday. I was actually thinking, would it be fun to do a spiritual round table with a bunch of people but that'd be a cool thing to do. Yeah. Let us know guys, what do you want to see? So... There you go. There you go. Thank you for watching. Thank you so much. Bye guys. Take care. Bye.


I really believe that insurance gets really, really good as long as you don't quit. What most people don't know is that only 4% of companies in the US do 7 figures a year. But watch this. There are more 7 figure earners in our industry than any other industry in the world. Which means you're in the right vehicle. Which means as long as you don't quit, life is going to get really, really good. Who's been in the industry a while and you're like, dude, I can see that life gets really good if you don't quit. Good. Let that be a message to everybody here that's new because I'm telling you, as long as you don't quit, you will not fail. I had something amazing happen when I was 16 years old. I was supposed to go and work at little Apple Market, a little grocery store in Rogersville, Missouri when I was 16. It's 3.30, supposed to work at 4, 4 to 10 on a weekend shift, part time, stocking shelves, grabbing carts in the freezing cold, all that fun stuff, right? Making like 6 bucks an hour. Amazing job, okay? I still showed up and committed and was one of the best employees I've ever seen, which is why they were like super sad that I had to leave. Well, I'm not there anymore, but you get the idea. I went to my dad because I was throwing up. I didn't feel well. And I said, hey, I'm throwing up. I don't feel well. I don't want to go to work today. I was supposed to go to work in about 30 minutes from then. He said something that changed my life forever.  I'm like, gosh, dang it, dad, come on. So I went to work. I showed up. I remember last year, early 2020 January, I was in South Carolina for an event. I was in Chattanooga for an event. I had to drive to Atlanta to get on a plane to fly to Orlando to go train a company and speak at their conference the next day. All in one day, by the way, my Atlanta flight gets delayed. I get in about 1.30 in the morning. I get to my room at about 2.30 in the morning. I've got to be at breakfast at 7.30. I've got to speak at 8 o'clock. But there's five things I do every single day to start my day. You're going to want to write these down. The moment I adopted these, the moment I started doing these, everything started to change in my life. Because what I did was, I didn't know what was happening, but these five things I'm going to give you created discipline. They created habits and they created a monster. The first one is to wake up before 6 a.m. Number two, and you know what, the first excuse everybody's going to think, some of us, I'm not a morning person. Guess what? I used to tell myself the same thing. So you're in luck. Number two, write down my goals every morning. I got some of the biggest goals of anybody in our industry. My wife and I are going to buy a beach house this year. I'm going to buy an airplane this year. Our companies will do over $100 million total at some point in the future. We will get 10,000 agents to 8% Nation, our conference in the future. And the last goal I write down every single day is I want to help every insurance agent in the world. Which keeps me focused and humble on everything that I'm doing. Third thing I do every morning is I work out. I get my energy right. This past year I did a half marathon and an Ironman. I gave myself one week to prep for the half marathon 13.1 mile run and I hadn't ran more than a mile in seven years. But I'm going to run 13 in a week. Makes a ton of sense. Short term targets. Thanks buddy. Appreciate it. Thank you. That's how I make myself get in shape. I register for something I'm not prepared for. On purpose. They said you can't run a half marathon in under two hours. Not your first one. That never happens. I said well, just wait and see. Killed myself but I ran an hour and 57 minutes. Then I signed up for an Ironman the next day. 70.3 miles. 1.2 mile swim. 56 mile bike ride. 13.1 mile run. I give myself, most people are like you need 8 to 12 months to prep for an Ironman. I give myself 90 days running, 60 days biking and 30 days swimming. And completed it too. What I've learned is if I want something bad enough, I can have it. If I want something bad enough, I can take it. If I want something bad enough, I'll go get it. And energy is everything. The moment I don't work out, me getting up in front of a room is going to be really bad. My energy is going to be off. I'm not going to be fired up. I'm out there doing jumping jacks, running around in the room doing push ups and all that when everybody else is speaking in here but nobody knew. Why? Because your energy matters. When you go into a cell, you are selling conviction. You are selling passion. And if my energy is off, I'm not going to be as convicted, am I? If my energy is off, I'm not going to be as passionate, am I? So I work out. 4. I almost sound like the song I work out. Number 4. I focus on learning something every morning. Your brain is the most accepted to new information first thing in the morning. Books, audio books, YouTube videos. I am learning something every single day. I don't know it all and I never will. And number 5. I finish every shower with a couple minutes of ice cold water. Cold shower. You say that's... Dude, you have me at the first four but I am not doing number 5. I'm with you, I get it. Here's why. Number 1, it wakes me up. Number 2, it forces me to start my day doing something that I don't want to do. There's power in forcing yourself to do something that you do not want to do. Trust me on that. Because guess what? To be successful in 2021, you got to do a lot of stuff that you don't want to do, true or true. I train myself to start my day every single day by doing something I don't want to do. You need to get in a habit. When you say you're going to do something, you do it. When you know you need to do something, you do it. And you do it now, not tomorrow. I'll start working out on Monday. You're talking, why can't we work out now? That's the reason 92% of insurance agents fail. What I've learned is, as long as you don't quit, it's impossible to fail. You can give a lot of reasons for why insurance agents don't succeed. The number one reason why is they quit. Quitting is a choice. Quitting is a mindset. Quitting is an option. This is the most mentally tough career on the planet. It makes real estate look freaking easy. True or false? True. My family wants me to sell them a home. They don't always want me to sell them insurance. This is the toughest career on planet Earth, which is why more people fail in their first three years in our industry than any other industry on planet Earth. But again, you saw the hands earlier. Life gets really good as long as you don't quit. Who's committing right now that you're not only going to not quit in 2021, but that you're never going to quit? And don't raise your hand if you don't mean it, by the way. Don't do it, okay?  So from now on, nobody in the room is allowed to quit. Who's the easiest person in the world to lie to? Yourself. Yourself. I'll do it tomorrow. I'll make the call then. Trust me. Never quit. Hey, if you enjoyed this, I got another one you're going to love. It's right there. Click on it. See you in there. How many people in the room are selling life insurance weekly? Simplified issue, life insurance. How many people in the room are selling Medicare? Anybody selling mortgage protection? How many people are selling final expense?


But this time last year, the really big issue on all of our minds was the anticipated announcement of the conference's spending review. Horror stories abounded, cuts in the science budget of 20 or 25 or 30% were risked to the rumor mill. Speaking on this stage, against that background, Jolstin Bellner now gave us three good pieces of advice, so good that they still hold true. I'm going to rehearse them again now. As I said, first, be passionate about the cause we're making. It's about a vision for the future of our country, not just a special interest argument for science. Second, never give up. Even if the outcome of the conference's spending review is what we fear, rather than what we hope, keep speaking out for the case for science. There will be other opportunities. Third, stick together will make a much stronger public case for science and engineering by speaking with one voice and highlighting the overall benefits rather than rushing to criticize other areas of research. Well, by and large, we did speak with one voice, and we did focus on the case for investment in science as a key force to drive renewed economic growth. I'm certain that these factors contributed to the successful outcome for science by helping David Welles and his colleagues make a convincing case that the Treasury start changing. Now, of course, I recognize that a flat settlement for science now sees perhaps a little less miraculous than it did on the morning of 20th October last year. We started to see the impact of inflation on real levels of funding with a lack of capital for major new investment, but we'd be very foolish to forget that a time when the UK is making police officers redundant, scrapping around the aircraft carrier and closing public libraries, that science has survived remarkably well in an incredibly tough environment. On a Monday this week, the Chancellor announced new support for science, 195 million investment in both graphic research and supercomputing, an explicit recognition of the role science can play in economic growth. So I think all of us would like to thank you, David. As a community, we owe a big vote of thanks to you and your team, so thank you. But that doesn't mean that we should forget Jocelyn's remaining message, keep speaking out for the case for science of the other years and other opportunities. We know that public funds are under huge pressure. We're not looking for miracles now, but if the government shares our view that research excellence can restore Britain's economic vibrancy, why not make a firm commitment for the future to renewed investment in the science base? What a strong positive signal that was sent out to our young scientists and engineers about their future prospects here in the UK.


And former Bosnian sub-commander Radko Mledyk has lost his appeal against a 2017 conviction for genocide and crimes against humanity. The UN court upheld a life sentence for his role in the killing of around 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys in Srebrenica in 1995. The massacre in an enclave supposed to be under UN protection was the worst atrocity in Europe since World War II. It is not yet clear where Midlake will serve the rest of his sentence. The five-person appeal panel found Mledyk had failed to provide evidence to invalidate the previous convictions against him, although the presiding judge dissented on each count.


You will face seasons where God seems distant. You will face seasons where you wonder if he's near to you. And it's tempting to get angry with him. It's tempting to ask a frantic list of questions. What did I do? Is he mad? Where should I go? What is wrong? And we fret and we worry and we work ourselves up. Have peace. But if you sense the pooling that was drawn, he's not saying go away. He's saying come up here. He's not saying leave me alone. He's saying come closer.


I've shown you before how you can mirror your screen from your phone or tablet to your desktop computer using a USB cable and ADB and some software on your desktop But that's not what I'm doing now. No USB cable. And although technically you can do ADB through a network That's not what I'm doing here. I'm actually just using SSH. So it's fully encrypted using SSH There's a slight lag, but this way you can monitor what's going on on your screen from anywhere in the world As long as you can access this device It's not behind any firewalls and it's using SSH. So you know it's secure. How do I do this? Well, I have a tutorial coming up, but you want to get a sneak peek check out the link in the description Literally, it's one command once you get SSH running on your phone. You just SSH in and start streaming So check out the link in the description if you want a sneak peek if not wait, I'll have tutorial pretty soon It's gonna be a short story. It's only really one command Thanks for watching as always films at chris.com. That's Chris the K. There's a link in the description I hope that you have a great day


This is Mises Weekends with your host Jeff Deist. Welcome back ladies and gentlemen to what is going to be the last Mises Weekends podcast, or at least the last weekend podcast under the moniker of Mises Weekends. We have decided to rebrand and reformat our weekly podcast a bit. Anyway, it's still going to be a show featuring me, it's still going to be an interview show and it's still going to come out once a week, although not necessarily on the weekends, but we just wanted to change the format up a little bit. For a long time, I've been a believer that, especially in the YouTube platform, that podcasts really need to be about 20 minutes and you lose interest from people if you go any longer than that, but we've really found that there is a market and a desire for longer, more in-depth interviews. I think really in the econ sphere, Russ Roberts at Econ Talk is probably the industry leader and so we're going to format a little bit more like how he does it. We're going to have more in-depth interviews and we're going to be a little more economics focused, a little more Austrian and a little deeper on subject matters. We're going to have great guests, we're going to let them go a little longer. Our inaugural podcast next week is going to feature David Gordon, who is obviously a very deep thinker, a philosopher, somebody who really knows everything about Austrian economics, about some of the key characters, brilliant minds in Austrian economics. He's also somebody who knows where the bodies are buried. David is someone who has a lot of fans, but he's perhaps underutilized and underappreciated by some of those fans. But we're still going to touch on other topics, of course, Mises himself and certainly Murray Rothbard talked about all kinds of things. They talked about politics and sociology and ethics and history. So we're still going to touch on things like secession and strategy and libertarianism and even to maybe to a lesser extent taxes and regulations, but the main thrust of the new podcast format is going to be economics and in particular, of course, our version of correct economics or in general Austrian economics. And we decided to also rebrand the title, the name of the podcast, where you're going to call it simply the Human Action Podcast, which I think is a lot more catchy than Mises' weekends, and I think it will attract maybe some more listeners and some more eyeballs just based on the name and, of course, the popularity of the great book, Human Action. Now, don't worry about missing out on it. It's still going to be fed via RSS to all of our standard outlets, Stitcher, SoundCloud, et cetera. You're still going to be able to find the Human Action Podcast at Mises.org and listen to it either streaming on the site or download the MP3 file. And, of course, on iTunes, the Mises' weekends podcast will redirect you to the new Human Action Podcast. So you're still going to be able to get a hold of us and listen in from all of these various platforms, but we're excited about it. I think it's going to be an opportunity to let the conversations go a little longer because oftentimes I get feedback where people say, look, it was just getting good. I want to hear more from this particular guest. So we're excited about it. It should be something that you hopefully get some enjoyment and also learn quite a bit from. We're looking to get more in-depth, not only with some of the topics, but with some of the books behind them. We're going to go deeper into books like Human Action and Man Economy and State and Liberalism and Socialism, et cetera. So it's really going to be not necessarily an everyman podcast. It's not going to be just a general banter like Joe Rogan or something like that. It's really going to be something for people who want to take the time and make the effort to be a little more in-depth in their own personal learning, their own personal knowledge, their own personal edification. So stay tuned. In just about a week, we will unveil the Human Action podcast. I think it's going to be great. That said, we do not have a guest this week, but I want to talk a little bit about really one of the biggest topics facing us today, which is socialism. A week or so ago, I wrote an article for Mises.org called Still Fighting the Last War Against Socialism because it seems like we can never suppress this bad idea that keeps cropping up. And it's very timely. I mean, you have people like Mayor Bill de Blasio in New York City, the new member of Congress, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. You have people like Bernie Sanders. You have members of the Democratic Socialists of America who now serve in Congress. Socialism kind of has cool kid status now. And I want to talk a little bit about how and why that is. And that was the topic of my article last week. So first and foremost, the question that those of us who are, of course, vehemently opposed to socialism as an economic or social or political system have to ask ourselves, why does it persist? Why does it keep cropping up? Why is it so popular or seemingly so popular again among the young? It's not an easy question to answer. I've heard some different theories. Doug Casey has the idea that maybe certain people's brains are just wired a little differently. We don't have any proof, of course, but maybe there's a genetic component to people who sort of naturally or reflexively trend towards libertarianism. Who knows about that? And also, there's human nature. People like the idea of a system that's caring, of a system that provides a free lunch. People like the idea of free stuff. So it's easy, I think, psychologically and conceptually to understand why socialism is, at least on paper, sounds good to a lot of people. It sounds collaborative. It sounds communitarian. It sounds peaceful. Of course, it's anything but. And it sounds just. And again, it's anything but once you understand that the only way to achieve equality among unequal people is to treat them very unequally using force and coercion at the hands of the state, which is the opposite of justice from our perspective. There's probably no better book you can read on socialism than Mises' book by the same title, Socialism, where the original version in German came out in 1922. And he has a really interesting explanation in that book about why socialism is popular. And he says, you know, there's sort of two reasons why socialism sells. And they're actually not only very different, but they're contradictory if we think about them. The first reason that it sounds moral, in other words, socialism is an appeal to the ethical high ground. And so it has this appeal, especially amongst, let's say, the more educated classes that it's noble and virtuous and that the advocate of socialism is somehow operating on a higher ethical plane. And we all want to feel superior. That's kind of a natural human instinct. So for reasons of pseudo-morality, socialism is popular, or at least theoretically popular. The other reason he posits is the idea that socialism is inevitable, that it represents some sort of end goal of human evolution towards which we're always progressing. And that in this sense, it's almost self-evident that socialism is a perfected form of organizing society that will come about inevitably, of course, because that's just how humans naturally will evolve. And so these two reasons, one, the idea of morality and two, the idea of inevitability are actually very different because if something's about morality, it's something where we're making a choice and we have to fight perhaps against our lesser angels. Whereas if something's inevitable, it's not really moral. It's something that just evolves inexorably without human volition or without human choice. It's just self-evident and better. So this is a point that he makes in socialism. And it's really kind of an interesting way to look at it. It's also a very accessible book. If you struggle with human action, I think you'll find socialism is a pretty fast and easy read relative to human action. It's much shorter and it's really like, just like the theory of money and credit. It's an incredibly prescient book in the sense that Mies is writing this in the interwar period. Now keep in mind, he's come home from World War I where he did see action and combat. He was a little, he was actually a fair bit older than your average soldier in the Austro-Hungarian army in World War I. He was not, you know, 19 or 20 during that period. But he comes back and it's now the interwar years in 1922 where he writes socialism, a book that he says he determined to write in his darkest moments or darkest hours during the war and we can only imagine what those might have been. So he determined that when he got out or if he got out of that war alive, the Great War, that he would write the definitive book on socialism and its ills and of course socialism, collectivism, communism, all variants really that we can use under the term socialism resulted in war and violence between nations. This was something he believed very strongly whereas I think most people today when they think of socialism they think of Scandinavia or something like that. They don't think of warring countries but of course the perspective and landscape was very different in the 1920s. So he writes this book and it's important to get from the book sort of his definition of it and of course his definition is more of the classical or dictionary definition where you actually have common or public or the people's ownership of the means of production. And he takes pains to point out that there are all kinds of what he calls pseudo-socialist economic systems which are not actually wholly or fully socialist and so it's a mistake in the eyes of Mises to refer to them as socialism. In other words just egalitarian movements or movements to equalize income or wealth. You know those are different things to Mises than actual outright socialism. Rothbard, Murray Rothbard took a very different view. He talked about how there could be degrees of socialism so if we think of private ownership of the means of production then we think of public ownership. To Murray Rothbard you'd say look, you either own something outright or you don't so when the government or the state comes along and just imposes a regulation or a tax on your property however minute it might seem, that regulation or tax dilutes your ownership however in some small measure it dilutes your ownership and as a result you don't have the full control over your property that you should have in a market economy and control is really the measure of true ownership. Whether you can do whatever you want with your property whether you can sell it, whether you can lend or borrow against it, excuse me, borrow against it whether you can use it or dispose of it however you see fit. That's true ownership and any dilution of that let's say you own a piece of real estate and the government comes along and says you know on the very far reach of that we're going to create a public easement for the electric company to come through because there's some electrical lines overhead and they might need to maintain them and maybe that's, maybe it's on such a far distant part of your property you don't much care and it doesn't really affect you in any way and you feel like well that hasn't affected my ownership at all but maybe it was on a portion of your property that you hope to one day partition and sell for housing development all of a sudden you'll be unable to do that and what you thought of as a 100% undiluted ownership of your property is now actually compromised quite a bit in a sense since you no longer fully control what you can do with that piece of real estate the state, the government let's say the local or city government in this case has become a de facto partial owner of it so in the Rothbardian conception that is semi-socialism just something as ordinary as a zoning law or an easement and of course Rothbard tended to be very absolutist in all kinds of things in his view that represents semi-socialism because the government now partially controls and thus partially owns your property so we have to understand that there are sort of different ways to look at the meaning of the word socialism and even amongst classical liberals or libertarians like Mises and Rothbard there can be a little bit of difference of opinion and of course what we're seeing today with the Alexandria Ocasio Cortez of the world is a very muddled view of what socialism really is I had an opportunity to talk to Ben Powell a lot of you know who he is he's a professor at Texas Tech University he is occasionally taught here at Mises U a great guy he's especially known for his work among other things on sweatshops which really represent a form of opportunity for a lot of people and he's taken some heat for that as you can imagine so it's brave of him to sort of stick his neck out and say hey look maybe sweatshops are better than the other alternatives available in any instant situation in an impoverished nation but that's a bit of a digression anyway along with one of his colleagues at Texas Tech named Robert Lawson Ben Powell has a new book out called Socialism Sucks two economists drink their way through the unfree world and I have not had an opportunity to read it yet but Ben described it to me a little bit and what him and Professor Lawson did was they went to a lot of socialist conferences I think mostly if not all in the U.S. and they sort of infiltrated and eavesdropped and spoke to people and interviewed people and there were a lot of young people at these events and they found out that a lot of people really don't mean the collective or common ownership of the means of production when they talk about socialism what they really mean are just sort of elements of social democracy free education, free healthcare really highly progressive income tax rates maybe a wealth tax that sort of thing so they're not really talking about going out and seizing oil production or seizing mining or having the state nationalize Walmart and Amazon and their distribution systems they mean something south of that something softer but nonetheless there are plenty of just standard issue democrats and progressives in America who would outright nationalize let's say healthcare I think there are plenty of people who would nationalize energy production make it completely green and state run I think there are plenty of people who would basically nationalize education that they would eliminate private schooling and have that completely funded and provided by the state and really there are plenty of fields like law and banking where the regulatory burdens are such that the state is almost running those industries even though it doesn't own them there's so much state intervention that those are sort of almost government run in a sense there's whole industries like banking that are so heavily regulated that the state really has a big interest in them so I'll leave it to you to decide for yourself what kind of degrees of socialism can exist and of course as Matt McCaffrey points out he wrote a great article about Mises's view that not every bad policy is socials we ought to be careful in using the term because we can sound like the sky is falling and we can have people scoffing at us because oh you know you guys will say social security is socialism ha ha ha well it is to an extent but I understand Matt McCaffrey's point and I think it's a good one so when we write an article let's say for Mises.org most of the audience is going to understand where we're coming from but maybe when we're debating or talking to our friends or to the general public we need to be a little bit more precise I think it's a lack of precision in terms and definitions that really allows the Bernie Sanders types to gain a foothold and gain traction. One point I made in the article and I really think it is an important point is that someone like Bernie Sanders is not necessarily an outlier amongst let's say Democrats or liberals or progressives today I mean someone who would really who admired the former Soviet Union who would really institute pretty radical degrees of taxation and regulation in this country he very nearly became the Democratic nominee for president in 2016 and a lot of people think that the Hillary Clinton campaign was involved in subterfuge or dirty dealings that kept him from obtaining that nomination I'm not going to opine on that I don't know enough about the factual background of that but the point is that Bernie Sanders got pretty close to the US presidency and he's an open avowed Democratic socialist he's a member of the Democratic socialist of America so it's not alarmist or outrageous to say that socialism has a real foothold in America I mean this isn't something where the left can just dismiss us and say oh you right wingers, you libertarians you guys are always saying the sky is falling and all we're talking about is free college and we're not socialist well okay but the guy that you almost nominated for president says he is and advocates things that are much closer to the textbook definition of socialism than the Rothbardian definition of socialism so let's consider that whereas on the right I'm not a person of the right I think right ideology is deeply flawed and as pernicious militarism corporatism etc central banking as pernicious in that sense as left wing ideology but I don't think that culturally philosophically intellectually that the right is as unreachable as the left seems to be headed these days so someone like a Thomas Massey in the US House or Rand Paul in the US Senate these guys are outliers rank and file conservatives apart from the GOP will talk a good game we ought to get rid of the department of energy we ought to abolish the department of education we ought to get rid of the income tax we ought to do all these things get rid of the EPA they say these things but they don't mean them they don't act on them whereas I think the left really means what they say I think that the left really intends to have single payer health care and I think they will not rest and they will not sleep until they get it now it might take longer than they wished because if we know anything about the history of the 20th century we see that incrementalism worked very very well for progressive causes but sometimes that means that changes that people work for happen long after they're dead but nonetheless incrementalism was a one way street in the 20th century in the west in other words one way in the direction of greater statism there weren't too many rollbacks I mean you can talk about little tax cuts here and there you know but really the only sort of positive legislative rollbacks for the last few decades have been more at the state level things like marijuana decriminalization or right to work laws that sort of thing there haven't really been at the federal level in the United States and really across the west western Europe budgets have grown and the degree of regulation has grown the degree of state control has undeniably grown in the west and moved us closer to a socialist or collectivist position however incrementally I know a lot of people on the left will disagree with that but that's certainly the way I see it and I think facts in history would back that up so that's the difference is that the left today in America is serious and the right is just sort of kidding the right doesn't have any coherent ideology right now what they ought to be talking about is ownership and opportunity they ought to be saying the left is the party or the movement of dependency and worthy movement and party of opportunity and we want you to own things we want even average people who make $40,000 a year whatever to own stocks and to have opportunities and to be entrepreneurial and do things but they don't talk about that they just talk about ridiculous things whereas the left is pretty focused towards their goals and so I think it's a big difference and I think it's something that we ought to recognize the importance of incrementalism so where does that really leave us today you know Trumpism is I think not conservatism in any way I think it's an odd mixture of left and right and I think there's probably a reasonable chance that Donald Trump does not serve a second term maybe that's 50-50 at this point so it's going to be interesting to see who the Democrats nominate and whether socialism really becomes part of the conversation to the extent it does I think those of us who are antisocialists have to take stock of things and we have to understand that our efforts whether that's political or cultural or social or educational at least in the case of the Mises Institute are failing to an extent and we have to figure out how to comment things perhaps in a different way that helps people to understand why socialism is not just unworkable but it's also evil that there's a moral component to it and it's the opposite of what Mises identified socialist actually think it's actually quite an immoral system because it uses force and laws and guns and jails to enforce it all so it's the kind of thing where if socialism is really gaining a foothold at least rhetorically in this next 2020 election then we have to think about why that is and we have to be better prepared to fight against it I think with the facts and the history at our disposal because look two things we know is that both the theoretical and historical empirical case against socialism have been made absolutely over and over again airtight this is not in question what is in question is I suppose our marketing efforts and also our ability to reach people especially young people I do wonder sometimes whether my own media bubbles my own social media bubbles much like yours affects how we see things in other words we hear and read that younger people are more and more open to socialism and that makes us worry of course very much about the future but imagine what people were hearing in the 60s coming out of college campuses I mean I'm sure that they imagine that all those young people coming of age in the summer of love smoking pot what seemed to the older people at the time sort of a bacchanalia on campus that these people were going to be very very left wing and there was a famous slogan never trust anyone over 30 and of course a lot of those people when they just stopped being campus radicals and went and became doctors and lawyers and accountants and very normal ordinary people and unfortunately voted for people like Reagan and George H.W. Bush might have become collectivist in their own right wing ways but didn't end up socialist so I think there's a tendency sometimes to look at young people and shake our heads and say oh my gosh they're so socialist because apart from what I read and see on social media experiences of course working at the Mises Institute having worked for Ron Paul for many years and going to a lot of events and conferences I meet all kinds of young people millennials and younger who are anything but socialists who are doing all kinds of amazing things and working very hard in their entrepreneurial and so that gives me a lot of hope but I understand the millennials who are angry who don't have a lot of hope who look at their own economic fortunes versus those of their baby boomer parents and say this is a rip-off college costs too much I have to get into debt and the degree I get doesn't guarantee me anything like it did my dad and my grandfather and houses cost way too much in all the cities I want to live in and an overnight visit to the ER I end up with a $20,000 bill from various doctors I mean from the average person's perspective you can understand why they would look at all that and say you know I don't even know if I'm going to be able to get married I don't know if I'm going to be able to buy a house I don't know if I'm going to be able to do all the ordinary things the rites of passage that my parents did and on top of that they had a fair degree of job security at some of their companies like an IBM or a blue chick company from the 70s or 80s and they got a pension and social security will presumably or hopefully be solvent for them until they die I mean that you know a younger person can look at all this and say this deal has been broken the social compact is not working for me and therefore I'm open to looking at things like socialism okay well what we want to do is say are you open at looking at things like liberty are you open to looking at things like property are you open at looking to things like decentralization and subsidiarity and anti-statism to better understand what plagues us and why the economy is not what it ought to be and why your economic fortunes are perhaps not what they ought to be and why schools are not what they ought to be and why a lot of college degrees are not what they ought to be so there's two ways of looking at any problem crisis and opportunity so from our perspective it's incumbent upon all of us to look at this as an opportunity to reach young people who are really questioning the status quo who are really looking for something different and more importantly you're looking for optimism and hope so yes socialism seems to be on the rise but the fact that people are questioning things is certainly an opening and an opportunity for us and we hope that you will direct as many people you know especially younger people towards Mises Institute and again in a week towards our new human action podcast because I think it's going to be very interesting I think it's going to be very different and something that they're just not hearing in their normal consumption of social media and platforms like youtube so that said we will post a link to the article still fighting last war against socialism we appreciate very much all of you for listening over the last three or four years a couple hundred episodes to the Mises weekend show and it is going to continue I'm not promising some great change it's just going to change formats a bit it's still going to be me and I'm just talking about economics in a slightly longer and hopefully more enjoyable and more effective format it's going to be called the human action podcast we're going to have a lot of great guests and a lot of great topics starting with as I mentioned earlier our first guest the great polymath David Gordon so be sure and find the podcast next week and that said for the last time have a great weekend subscribe to Mises weekends via iTunes you stitcher and SoundCloud or listen on Mises dot org and youtube