Thanks Emily. Tonight's agenda we've got item number one of public forum. Item number two is the growth management overview by staff and then agenda item number three is a hearing for the three residential projects that are being considered for allocation tonight. First up is the public forum this is an opportunity for people participating here in the room and participating by Zoom to address the board on items not on tonight's agenda. Is there anyone present here in the room they'd like to address the board or on Zoom. No chats no raised hands on Zoom. Okay next up agenda item number two growth management overview Emily. Thanks Pete. So what follows on my screen is the area map for the town of Williston and tonight is growth management where the Development Review Board is allocating new residential units to three main areas of town the growth center shown in red which includes the form-based code area I'll get into that in a moment with the light hatching the sewer service area outside the growth center is shown in yellow and then the agricultural rural district outside of the sewer service area is shown in green. The three projects this evening are in the growth center in red and the sewer service area in yellow the blue areas of the map are Williston's industrial districts where industrial or where residential uses are not allowed. So growth management is approved by the Development Review Board and it's one of the many paths for constructing new dwellings in Williston outside of the Taft Corners form-based code district TCFBC all new dwellings must receive pre-application and discretionary permit review from the DRB. Some projects must also participate in growth management and there's three participating this evening. Tonight the DRB will score and review the projects based on the most recent version of the unified development bylaw most recently amended January 16th 2024. Staff wants to note that representations made by applicants at this meeting in the questionnaire or at the hearing are binding and they must be fulfilled in all subsequent permits. If changes are proposed at discretionary permit that significantly alter a growth management score the project may not be approvable. There are some projects that are not participating in growth management tonight. So DP 2211 Rice they withdrew and forfeited their allocation they received in 2021. DP 2406 Glazer riversedge development they are not participating because they're going to pursue specific plan. DP 2408 McCullough is not participating they've indicated to me that they plan to proceed under inclusionary zoning which I'll explain further in a moment and DP 2402 Willard 2405 Fornir and 2409 Benedetto. Each of these projects propose fewer than four units each and therefore are fully exempt from growth management. Table A is a summary of the recent changes to growth management. So going back to October 2022 when form based code was adopted the standards were revised whereby form-based code projects get their allocation administratively by the zoning administrator rather than the development review board. A significant changes to this chapter were adopted in October 2023. Small projects proposing for fewer units are fully exempted from the growth management process. Inclusionary zoning was adopted as an alternative to growth management and to encourage the inclusion of affordable homes in new development projects. With that there is a payment in lieu requirement a fee for any project that is not proposing affordable homes. The minimum score was increased from 30 to 40 points and slow build which was a successor to expiration was also eliminated. The most recent amendment in January 16th was for the adoption of the Glazer specific plan. However that's not something that the DRB really needs to worry about even though the most recent bylaw that we're looking at says January 16th it's functionally the same for your purposes as October 17th. Table B is a table that shows how the permit process is different depending on where the project is located and what kind of project. So at the bottom of the table is TAF Corners form-based code where allocation happens administratively. If you're not in the form-based code district if you're constructing new dwellings if you're for fewer you're exempted from growth management you go from pre-application to discretionary permit. If you're proposing five to nine units you either need to have one home that's affordable or be a market rate project and if your project has ten or more units you're either inclusionary with various levels of affordability or you're a market rate project and you're subject to that pay-and-luffy. There's a different process if you're converting an existing structure for example an existing office building or a hotel. So before every residential unit in town had to go through growth management now the table highlights and yellow the two types of projects that have to go through the development review board process this evening. Inclusionary zoning so projects that include affordable homes can proceed without growth management they go from pre-app review to discretionary permit and if they aren't if they propose more than ten units and they're not inclusionary then there is a payment in lieu requirement. There is one project this evening that would be subject to that fee if their reallocation request is approved tonight. Section 11.4 of the bylaw is the residential growth target. So the town's growth target is 80 dwelling unit equivalents per year. Most of them 50 are in the growth center 20 are in the sewer service area outside the growth center and just 10 are outside the sewer service area. The DRB or zoning administrator can also shift units from outside the growth center into the growth center. So on that large table you see in your packets you'll see that we shifted 10 of those units. There's no projects competing in that rural part of town this year. Dwelling unit equivalent is used in growth management whereby a studio or a one bedroom dwelling is half a DUI and a two unit with two or more bedrooms is one DUI. 11.5 growth management procedure. So new developments must complete pre-application in the preceding year and as of those October 2023 amendments projects that have partial allocation that are quote in the queue they are automatically eligible to participate. Applicants are notified of growth management in January and they must submit their questionnaires by March 1st. The DRB has copies of the applicants' questionnaires in their packets. The DRB evaluates and ranks the projects based on the criteria of 11.7 through 11.9 and then they allocate the growth target and applicants are notified by a written decision. 11.6 allocation rules. So most of these rules are baked into the allocation table which you have on 11 by 17 paper in your packets and I'll also share here. So this table visualizes the 50 units in the growth center, the 20 in the residential, outside sewer service area and then it breaks them up by fiscal year. So there's this 10 year rolling cycle. This table that the DRB is looking at is fiscal year 2025 which would start on July 1st of this year 2024 and it runs fiscal year 2025 to 2034. You can also see in the growth center where we've shifted those 10 units from outside the growth center into the growth center. The DRB may also notice on this table that it doesn't talk about affordable units. So in years past there were separate columns, one for market rate, one for affordable. Because affordable units are now this whole separate inclusionary zoning process, everything on this table is for market rate allocation. There are some prior projects that were allocated years ago. You might see an asterisk A next to them. That's indicating that that was an affordable unit from prior years and we're just carrying that old rule forward for those existing projects. Other rules that are baked into this table and baked into what is proposed by staff that shown in red that no more than 75% in any given year can go to one project and the gray shading indicates that no more than 50% is available more than two years out and no more than 75% one year out. So that's why some cells on this table are shaded gray. Staff does note that in the growth center in form-based code the zoning administrator can put units in the white cells or the gray cells anywhere on this table and you will see in the growth center in fiscal year 25 and 26 there is an AP number referenced where a form-based code project got allocation earlier this year. Construction of units allocation does not expire and as of October 2023 that slow build provision was also eliminated. The only deadlines are to file a discretionary permit and to file final plans like any other development in town. Emily could you explain to the audience what slow build means? Yes, thank you Pete. So slow build was a provision in the bylaw for projects that had a lot of units they could only pull a certain number of administrative permits every year. So after five years your allocation was slow build you could only pull a couple of units. It works well for smaller projects that only have a couple units and it basically doesn't affect them and it encourages projects that have an apartment building. You know you can't pull a 30 unit apartment building permit three units at a time it encourages those larger projects to come back in and get reallocated. So it was a provision that was intended to encourage projects to keep on pace or revise their project. There's no more slow build or expiry so once a unit is available on that allocation table the development can build any units that it has across the board. So the evaluation criteria there's three areas of town so there's three sets of evaluation criteria. Tonight the DRB is really focused on 11-7 and 11-8 because those are where we have projects being proposed and these criteria were also amended in October 2023 and carried over in January 2024. So this table visualizes those changes. There's currently eight criteria formerly there were 11. The criteria that were eliminated are shown in orange and the criteria that gained points are shown in blue. No new criteria were added. The conserve energy criteria was substantially revised so there's new options to score points in that category as well as more points it increased from 10 to 30 points. Build affordable housing was eliminated across the board because of that inclusionary zoning process that was added into the bylaw. Offer housing choices stays the same. Provide neighborhood space increased by 10 points. Build close to services was eliminated. Neighborhood design gained five points. Build paths and trails gained 10 points in the outside sewer service area. Conserve open space, sustainable transportation and minimize visual impact all stayed the same and design for context was eliminated across the board. There's options to score 100 points and five bonus points are available in the 11-8 sewer service area outside growth center part of town. So part two of my staff report the review for this evening. Each applicant has submitted a questionnaire and they've described how their project addresses the criteria. Planning staff have reviewed their responses and have generated a proposed score for each project and the allocation table proposes a schedule with the allocation rules in mind. As proposed all projects score at or above the minimum 40 points. So the annex this evening DP 21-18 is looking for 35 and a half DUEs of allocation 20-18 summer field is looking for 24 and a half DUE and Sally's way is looking to allocate reallocate three affordable to three market rate. The proposed scores for each project are 52 for the annex 70 for summer field and 40 for Sally's way. And what follows table three is just a different visualization of what's shown in red on the 11-by-17 table where following the allocation rules all projects can get their requested allocation. Part three of the staff report are proposed findings and motions. So in years past we've done the motions by the three growth areas because we have two major projects the annex and summer field that were approved and are partially vested in the previous version of the bylaw. We have specific findings that codifies their requirements. Both of those projects scored points under the old criteria where affordable housing was incentivized and we're just codifying that those carry forward in in their approval and just keeping a clear record of the scores and allocation over the different years. And with that that's the overall staff report. Thank you. All right thank you Emily. Comprehensive as usual. Okay so now we're going to go to the individual projects that are seeking allocation. And first up is DP 21-18 the annex. Who is present for that project? If you would please come to the front table. I'm going to accuse myself. Okay thank you. Chris and Andy welcome. If you would state your name and address for the record please. Andy Rowe, the Snyder Williston Properties LLC. Chris Snyder, Snyder Williston Properties LLC. Staff is next. Thanks Pete. So this is DP 21-18 the annex. It proposes 276 dwelling units as 241 DUEs. The two parcels were created in 1995 and there's one existing dwelling with two bedrooms. The annex is located on a property just under 55 acres in the Taft Corners Zoning District. Parts of it are currently under construction behind VSECU Bank off of Route 2A. So this is the third time that the annex will participate in growth management. In 2022 it scored 54 points and received 173.5 DUEs allocation including 28 DUEs as affordable. In 2023 it scored 56 points and received 31 DUE market. Staff is proposing a score of 52 points. No comment letters are received at the time of mail out nor up to this evening. And what staff proposes is allocating all remaining allocation that's needed 35.5 DUE market. Staff notes that when we scored the project so for example in neighborhood space the criteria went from 10 points and last time they scored 10 out of 10 so we just increased it to 20 points. So where a score changed we just appropriately multiplied that score. So they got full points when it was 10 out of 10. They get full points when it's 20 out of 20. That's it. Thank you. Okay great. Thank you Emily. Kristin Andy anything to add to the staff report? No. DRB members. Questions? Members of the audience either present or participating by Zoom. Any questions or comments? I have no raise hands on Zoom. Okay. Last chance for questions, comments. DRB members. Members of the audience. Just one one question just for the record. There are no changes to your site plan. This is simply a re-calculating of the scores from previous applications. Okay. Anything else? Nope. This was easy. Yep. Okay. I'm gonna close close this hearing this application as 723. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay next up is DP 20-18 Summerfield. Who is present for the applicant? He I'm gonna be refusing myself on this one. Okay. Butting landowner. Chris and Brian welcome. If you would state your name and address for the record please. Brian Currier, Larry Berksville Associates representing Ethan Allen Holmes. Chris Sunacek, Ethan Allen Holmes, 86th Ethan Allen Drive, South Burlington, Vermont. Thank you. Emily. This is DP 20-18 Summerfield formerly known as Catamount Gala for Catamount Country Club. So this is their fourth time participating in growth management. Summerfield proposes 141 dwelling units as 122 DUE at 1400 Mountain B Road. A parcel just over 30 acres in the residential zoning district. Staff proposes a score of 70 points. One comment letter was received at the time of mail out from the applicant's attorney. No further comment letters were received up to today. So staff recommends that score of 70 points as well as allocating all remaining units, which is 24.5 DUE market rate. To date, they've been awarded 18 affordable and 73 market rate, including six and a half DUE that are affordable at 80 percent AMI. So reminder under those old growth management rules, units at or below 80 percent area median income weren't shown on that table. So Summerfield is vested in and must uphold prior commitments made in 21, 22 and 2023. And they're also vested in a discretionary permit with the density bonus where 30 percent of the dwellings are affordable at or below 80 or 100 percent AMI. So that older growth management score for affordable housing had tiers at 80, 100 and 120 percent AMI rather than building units at 120 percent. They're building them all at that or 120 percent. They're building that 100 percent level to concurrently meet the growth management score and the density bonus. What follows is the staff score. So following that same methodology where 10 out of 10 points was scored in 2023, they're getting 20 out of 20 points under these criteria. And what follows are notes on that affordability requirement. Staff does note on sustainable transportation that they're showing six space, six carpool spaces, six car share, that kind of thing where there would only be required to provide five. So the reason is in the scoring criteria, the number of sustainable transportation features are based on per 25 DUE. In 2022, the overall project was based on more dwelling units. Therefore, the math factored out to six. Now there's fewer units, so they only have to do five EV charge, five car share, five carpool and 10 bike storage. I think that's it. Thank you. Okay. Brian and Chris, any comments on the staff report? Only one. As Emily mentioned, Ed Fitzpatrick submitted a comment letter. Essentially what it boils down to is this project's in a little bit of a unique situation where we started the growth management process in 2021 and this is our I believe our fourth year coming back, hoping it to be the last. And obviously, growth management has changed substantially over the last year. So the letter is basically acknowledging that this project should be vested in the version of the bylaw that we gained our discretionary permit under, which is the 2022 version of the bylaw. Whether that can be incorporated in this decision as a finding of fact, we'd request that either the letter would be referenced or potentially a acknowledgement that the project's vested under the 2022 version of the bylaw. And I think the reason the attorney had the question was we're using the updated scoring sheet that's part of the newest version of the bylaw, but we're vested under the 2022 version. And we're still scoring 70 points of very high scoring projects. So we were okay moving forward with the new scoring system, but just want acknowledgement that the 2022 version of the bylaw would be utilized when issuing administrative permits for the project. Brian, if you're approved tonight, it effectively, without the board actively acknowledging that letter, which none of us are lawyers, but if the board approves it, it effectively does the same thing. Well, we would like to ask that the letter that was dated February 28th from BPNF along with the associated paperwork, which also includes the old affordability housing restrictive covenant, and then the methodology to gain that. And the reason we're asking for that is simply this is that, you know, we love Emily, we love Matt, but they may or may not be here forever. And if I'm faced with somebody down the road that's taken their place that has no knowledge of this and there's nothing around to solidify my position, I'm going to have to explain myself. And it's just a general assumption that people do move on and maybe they don't. But we would ask that this become part of the decision if in fact they are approved tonight for that reason. Okay. So, so there's a knowledge you're concerned. So, did you read the proposed staff's proposed authorization? The reason the reason, and I don't have any problem doing what you said, but I don't think it's necessary. And here's why. It references the proposed motion. I'm not going to read the beginning part of it. It's kind of boiler play. But having reviewed the applicant's questionnaire, the recommendations of the town staff and having heard and duly considered the testimony, it references what's in this packet, which includes the attorney letter. It includes the vested rights. It includes what you are asking for. Yeah, it's our opinion that we can never have enough clarity, I guess. We could add a finding of fact that references the date that the discretionary permit was approved. So, like the first one and then the subsequent based amendments because that affordability covenant all comes out of those discretionary permit conditions of approval. So, I think adding a finding here, referencing those discretionary permit approval dates, I think would help. Yeah, our attorney just felt that if this was became part of the decision that there would be no question down the road as to what type of procedure you use in order to establish what's affordable and what's not because that has changed quite dramatically from what we got approved on and that's all we're asking. Noted. DRV members, any questions for the applicant? I'm just interested since this is the second one where we had conserve energy with a score of zero. So, the new rules around that scoring, I'd like your thoughts on this. Well, the first round of conserve energy was dead on arrival. I think you probably saw that from the application. Honestly, we really didn't dig into the next opinion as to what they wanted for conserve energy. You know, we just thought the first one was it was reaching for the sky and being on a ladder. And, you know, we just felt that it was no go to begin with. So, we did not look at hard at, you know, what the new regulations are asking for. Obviously, we would have to change everything over and become part of the new plan. We like the whole plan. Okay, fair enough. Thank you. Yeah, it used to be more of an all or nothing category. Now there's, you know, stages to it, you know, electric heat pumps are considered and the project may end up utilizing that sort of technology. But we'd like to have that still be a voluntary process, given that we're still 70 points scoring process or project rather. Oh, I agree completely. Yeah, so that's mainly the reason. Thank you. Brian's got a good point. We've been in contact with Vermont gas. There is some question as to whether or not they'll even service our project for a variety of reasons.  But, you know, that if that's what happens, that's what happens. So we may meet the part of the requirements for conserve energy without having scored any points. But it's just a facet of what we want to bring to market. Fair enough. Thank you. Good question. Anything else from DRB members? Members of the audience, any questions for the board? That includes people on Zoom. Reminder to folks on Zoom to comment in the chat or press the raise hand button if you'd like to speak. No chats and no raised hands. Okay. Any final comments? Chris and Brian? Okay. Okay, we're going to close DP 20-18 as 734. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Next up is DP 21-05, who is here representing the applicant. How are you, Carl? Good evening. Carl Marshall, Sol, Larry Burke, 13 corporate drive. Essence. Thank you. Staff goes next. I will note that Scott Michaud is on Zoom. Okay. So this is DP 21-05 Michaud, also known as Sally's Way. They are seeking reallocation for three affordable units to become three market rate units. Overall, there are 15 dwelling units proposed as 15 GUE at 230 Mountain View Road, a parcel just over 10 acres in the residential zoning district. There is one dwelling existing, so there's 14 new homes proposed. Staff is proposing a score of 40 points. No comment letters were received at the time of mail-out, nor were any letters or emails received to date. Staff is proposing a score of 40 points and the allocation of three market rate. Of the 14 GUE originally required and allocated to this project, only five are seen on the table, that FY 25 to 33 table. Some of the years have fallen off, and then one of those units was affordable at 80% AMI, which wasn't even shown on the table to begin with. If the reallocation request is approved, this project will be subject to the inclusionary zoning pay and loo provision of WDB 1137, because it will be a project proposing all market rate units and more than 10 units. The DRB does not need to make any decisions about that fee, like impact fees, it's handled administratively by the planning staff. After growth management, the project would file a minor amendment to final plans, noting on their civil plan set that all the units are market rate, no affordables, and then that fee that's paid goes into the town's housing trust fund. It's managed by the slide board with recommendations of the housing committee to note that fee would be $49,000. But the DRB doesn't need to worry about the fee. So there's 15 dwelling units existing and proposed. There's one unit dwelling that's there today, one unit at 80% AMI. So there were 13 that got allocation previously. And because those older units have fallen off, there's new units that are shown on the table.  What follows is the staff recommended score. So we did the same thing where the score is carried over, for example, a score of three out of 10 for neighborhood space in 2021 is equivalent to six out of 20 today. Thank you. Thanks, Emily. Carl, do you have any anything to add to the staff report? No, she does a great job, isn't she? Yes, she does. Yes, she does. Okay. DRB members, comments, questions? This may be a question for Emily. Proposed staff, a conserve energy, I'm trying to get up to speed on it. So you have a 10? Yes. So they are proposing 10 points in the conserve energy category. The minimum score increased from 30 to 40 points. So in order to get those 40 points, they propose 10 in the conserve energy criteria, which means half of the homes. And it's a new criteria, so let me make sure I quote it correctly. Yep, half of the homes will use cold climate heat pumps, ground source heat pumps, or geothermal. So they're proposing to do the heat pumps in half of the homes, half of the proposed homes. Thank you. Okay. Any other questions? Yeah, I've got one. You've got five points for build paths and trails, and I'm just curious looking at the plan here, why the sidewalk was not continued on both sides of the proposed road. Can't recall. It was a lot of wetlands. Okay, got it. Thank you. We were trying to not minimize, you know, minimization of wetlands and associated buffers. Okay. Yeah, thank you. Good question though, but I think we spent a lot of time with that with staff because we kind of went back and forth with that. That was the rationale. And we're, you know, we're not proposing any changes to the plan. Okay. Yeah, I remember that from the DRB review with balancing the bylaw wants sidewalks on both sides of new roads, but also wants to minimize impact into wetland areas. So the compromise was making sure there's crosswalks to connect all the homes have a sidewalk outside their front door. Any other questions? DRB members? Yes. So on neighborhood design, there's, it's getting 10 points. Was that, I'm not, I'm a little confused when it says scoring options zero to 10 and then it says plus five. Does that mean there were five added from, it was five before and now it's 10? No, there are five bonus points in that category. So you can get the maximum score you could have in this district is 105 points. So you can get 100 points and then there's an option for five bonus points. And what would, what would qualify you for the extra five? I believe it is doing some kind of dedication. Oh, okay. I only asked because this project has gotten the maximum number of points in that category. And previously tonight, we've been kind of pulling across the maximum number of points available in that category. Right. So it used to be zero to five points plus five bonus points, which would have been a maximum 10. Okay. Now it's zero to 10 plus five bonus points, maximum 15. That additional one to five points is permanent protection of open space. So via a conservation easement or dedication to the town. I see. And that's not part of this proposal. Correct. It would just be private open common land homeowners, homeowners association common land. Okay. And the other question I had was on providing neighborhood space. What was the, what was the score previously on that? I'm, I'm, I'm trying to, I'm having a hard time finding all good. Um, on page two under the table, there's a staff score explanation. So they got neighborhood space three out of 10 in 2021, uh, which is equivalent to six out of 20 today. There we go. In the middle of the development on the site plan, there's a little pavilion proposed. All right. Good. Thank you. And Emily on a 15 DUE, how many would be affordable if they weren't doing payment in lieu? So they would have been required to have three, one at 80%, one at 100%. And one at 120% area median income. And what will that payment and low be? I know we're not concerned with it, but 49,000. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Members of the audience, questions for the DRB? Sir, if you would please come to the table and state your name and address for the record, please. I'm Carl Fowler from 178 Middle Run Road. And I have a couple of questions that may simply resolve my concerns. And they're not aimed at this particular project, but at both of the projects that would sort of occupy that farm that is going to basically be redeveloped by the show and then also McCullough. The first is as originally proposed, there was a road in this development that's sort of headed towards the McCullough land space, but just terminated. And then I believe in a later version of it, is there plan to be internally a connection to the McCullough project? We're providing that on the flat. We haven't had any communication with the adjacent. So there may be such a connection. There may be. How many exits to Mountain View will there be? This has evolved since the version of this that we've been done around so long. So I'm going to give you a little bit of latitude. Tonight is growth management. And so what you're talking about is really more scrutiny of the project plan. We're not here to do that tonight. We're here to score the project based on the growth management criteria. I'll withdraw the question, although I think it's a reasonable question to ask. It's not confrontational. I simply wouldn't know how many exits there are going to be, but I note your reluctance to present it and I withdraw the question. My final one now is philosophical one. The project has gone from providing for low income housing or at least moderate income housing to none because it changed apparently its category. What did the town feel it gained institutionally or in terms of the interest of the citizens by basically adopting this new inclusion versus simply even have all what you want kind of system, except we give you $49,000 to not know what we first said we were going to do. Why is the town feeling that's the benefit of the citizens? What are we actually getting at? Is there a pot of money that will help us with other projects later? You hit it on the nose. That's it. There's a pot of money over time. It's not just doesn't one one project doesn't solve the entire problem that the town has. Does the town still have objectives to accomplish a certain number of affordable housing units? It depends on the projects that come before the project. So there's no longer any town target. I think there's probably a town target but it's going to be based on it's going to be based on the on the developers who are bringing projects before the town for approval. When do we expect the McCullough project to come back for its new revised version? They were originally on the list for tonight and they vanished. So when do we expect them to Yeah, I think they'll file a discretionary permit this year. They have one year from that pre application which that sketch plan took place in December of 2023. So they have a year from that date to file a complete discretionary permit because they are planning to be inclusionary zoning. They don't have to go to growth management tonight. They can go straight from pre app to discretionary permit. You bring up a good question about that road connection and I would like to address it. Their site plan shows the wetland extending in a different way. Whereas the Michaud development where their wetland was delineated on their property would have allowed for that connection. The site plan for McCullough shows the wetland being a little bit different along the property line where that road connection might not be feasible. So both the town zoning standards and state wetland rules like to discourage incursions into wetlands like to discourage road crossings as much as possible. So in the Michaud review it looked like it might be a possibility and we asked them to plat in that right of way. In the McCullough wetland delineation it's not looking like it's going to be able to move in a route where these two developments can reasonably connect but we're anticipating they would file their discretionary permit at some point this year to your other question the philosophical questions. Emily let me interrupt you for one second and say that what the description Emily just gave you is for a project that is has neither been proposed nor approved. So nobody knows or reviewed or reviewed right so no so complete conjecture. My last follow up my last following question then was one might be expect to see revised maps for the two developments. If you're approving going forward with Michaud tonight which I am not opposing necessarily I'm just trying to get information if we're approving going ahead one might we expect to see but there on the board is a map that I at least at home couldn't find and I dug deep trying to find those maps today and could only find the score is one might we expect to see those. My deepest concern actually is about the placement of a settling pond for wastewater in the color development but yeah so for the Michaud project which we're reviewing tonight they have their complete final plan review so we have an entire civil plan set for roads utilities water sewer lines etc store water ponds and basins for the McCullough project we don't have that yet. If and when they file a complete discretionary permit then you'll see the concept plan that's shown here worked out in more detail where utilities are going to connect how storm water is going to be managed. The McCullough project proposed a couple of concept plans with different unit types and layout so at discretionary permit that's when we would also know they would hone in the details of we're obviously a long way from having those designs and I'm I'm satisfied thank you. Which you need to do is you need to get your name with Emily so and then that thing does come up for the DRP you know to fight so you can. I will do so. I'm satisfied. If you have any questions and extremely responsive thank you. Thank you. Okay anybody else from the audience that would like to address the the board. Uh anybody on zoom? Any raised hands? We have no raised hands on zoom. Okay DRP members last chance for questions. Good. Carl are you good? I'm good I just like to know and I'm sure you've read it um we're anticipating putting heat pumps in you know mainly for maybe heating these and you know there could very well be all the units so we would have scored a higher score but sounding like you know feedback from the board like we're all set um and kind of like what Brian my business partner you know alluded to earlier I mean we're just basically trying to meet the same criteria and you know that we did before so yeah we're all set. Okay okay uh thank you I'm gonna close DP 21-05 at 750 thank you. Thank you very much. Recording in progress. Great thank you Scott uh welcome back to the Williston Development Review Board of March 26 2024 it is 808 the board is out of deliberative session uh is there a motion for DP 21-18? Yes as authorized by Chapter 11 of the Williston Development Bylaw I Nathan Andrews move that the Williston Development Review Board having reviewed the applicant's questionnaire the recommendations of the town staff having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of March 26th 2024 assign a score and make an allocation of dwelling units as shown in table two and three above the DP 20-18 the annex in accordance with the growth target and allocation rules of WDB Chapter 11. Thank you Nate is there a second? Second. Uh John seconds it any discussion hearing none uh yay or nay uh Nate. Yay. Paul. Yay. Lisa. Yay. Scott is recused Dave Turner. Yay. John Hemmelgarten. Yay. The chair is a yay six in favor not opposed one individual recused himself motion carries is there a motion for DP 20-18? Uh yes um so as authorized by Chapter 11 of the Williston Development Bylaw I Scott Riley move that the Williston Development Review Board having reviewed the applicant's questionnaire the recommendations of the town staff and having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of March 26th 2024 assign a score and make an allocation of dwelling units as shown in table two and three above two DP 21-05 Sally's way in accordance with the growth. You're not doing Sally's way you're doing Summerfield. You're doing Summerfield. Well thank you for reminding me. Go up six inches I'm reading the wrong dark. Okay that's okay just start fresh. Actually it's the same thing right okay sorry thank you I was reading Sally's way that doesn't sound right. Okay one more time that was practice as authorized by Chapter 11 of the Williston Development Bylaw I Scott Riley move that the Williston Development Review Board having reviewed the applicant's questionnaire the recommendations of the town staff and having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of March 26th 2024 assign a score and make an allocation of dwelling units as shown in table two and three above two DP 20-18 Summerfield in accordance with the growth target and allocation rules of WDB Chapter 11 we are adding findings of fact number four I believe you could put that up on the screen so I can read it number four DP 20-18 is vested in the discretionary permit approval of April April 26 2022 and notice of decision open parentheses NOD clothes parentheses letter dated May 11th 2022 subsequent amendments are DP 20-18.1 and 20-18.2 thank you Scott is there a second Dave Turner seconds any further discussion hearing none yay or nay Nate yay Paul yay Lisa yay Scott yay Dave yay Don Hemmelgarten recuses himself the chair is a yay six in favor none opposed one recused motion carries is there a motion for DP 21-05 yes is authorized by Chapter 11 of the Williston Development Bylaw I Lisa Breden harder move that the Williston Development Review Board having reviewed the applicants questionnaire the recommendations of the town staff and having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of March 26 2024 assign a score and make an allocation of dwelling units as shown in table two and three above to DP 24-05 Sally's way in accordance with the growth target and allocation rules of WDB Chapter 11 thank you Lisa is there a second I'll second it Scott seconds is there any further discussion uh yay or nay Nate yay Paul yay Lisa yay Scott yay Dave yay John yay chair is a yay seven in favor not opposed motion carries is there a motion to approve the minutes of March 12 2024 don't move is there a second I'll second it Dave Turner seconds it any discussion I don't know if it's appropriate I know there's a typo there um on one of them on the decision I'll fix it let's uh let's read it into the record and and be uh and be tight so what what is it it is the mountain dew road kb kb project believe I admitted the the actual motion itself that has the second underneath let's uh let's not believe let's state it okay it is it is the actual motion that is not included the motion I know was made by yeah let's pull it up while we're doing that I just have one correction to the motion that I read 2118 the annex there was a typo in that and I read it as DP 20-18 but the annex is DP 21-18 okay yep we're uh I'll fix that right now okay so Nate you um read that uh who seconds it who's second that I second it Dave you did do you accept that um yeah change is there any further discussion by any members um is there any change to how you voted for that okay thank you thank you no over here good kiss I'm not used to looking there for the last minutes the motion was made by Paul I did not include the the motion text itself I did include the vote I'll add the text of the motion with Paul's name okay great and that was the one the vote was that did not pass correct that is correct okay it was highly unusual Paul made a vote made a motion and didn't didn't vote for okay I'm just following the republican practice in the congress right now okay Paul so you've made a motion to approve the minutes um there's a friendly amendment on the floor from staff do you accept that friendly absolutely and Dave you seconded do you accept the friendly motion amendment okay um any other questions or comments okay yay or nay on the amended minutes Nate okay Paul yeah Lisa Scott okay Dave yeah John yeah I'm going to abstain it was not present so six in favor none opposed I have abstained uh motion carries okay is there anything else bring forth tonight okay is there a motion to adjourn don't move is there a second Lisa seconds it all in favor all right anybody opposed okay thank you all


One of the things I do at the University of Buffalo is teach a large and I think very fairly popular course on computer operating systems. The course is known to be difficult, it's also known to be a lot of fun and give students a chance to learn quite a bit.  It's taken us kind of several years to build out a nice website for the class. The website's not interactive or anything, it's just sort of static content. And I can't take any credit for the assignments for the course. These are drawn from the OS 161 assignments that were developed by David Holland and Margo Seltzer at Harvard. I think we've put together nice write-ups for them. We have lots of explanations for students. We've built a tool chain that students use that's based on a vagrant virtual machine, makes it very simple for them to install all of the different pieces of special software that they need to learn and to take the class. On the other hand, this material is mine, so all the exams for the class are online along with all of my lectures. So I've been recording my lecture videos for about five years now, I think. And you know, if, okay, I'm going to subscribe to my own channel here. So my, you know, all of my videos are up on the YouTube channel. And these, this site has access to all the slides in sort of a nice format. This is slides from when we were reviewing a paper. You know, this is probably a more representative set of slides. So this stuff's all up online. There are also the slides themselves.  So all this information is up online. One thing that we have built for the class, which has been fun, is a new testing tool. This is called, let me go back to the About page, this is called Test 161. So we got tired. When I started, I originally built some automatic grading tools for the OS 161 assignments. They weren't necessarily fantastic. And over time, we decided to dramatically improve them. This is a project that my students Scott Hasley and former student Yee Hong Chen were very heavily involved with. And this is awesome. This is the OS 161 testing tool that I have always wanted. It pursues kind of an interesting design approach, which we consider to be sort of distributed automated grading. I think in many cases, we're seeing more use of automated grading tools, which is fantastic. But there's still a lot of centralization involved and I think there's two reasons for that. One is that, you know, people don't necessarily know how to build sort of distributed software testing tools like this. And there's also a concern about giving students access to the tests themselves because people worry that students are going to gain the system and just reproduce the output of the tests. And so we've got around that in a very clever way. What we do is we actually inject secrets into the code before we compile it and run it during testing. And that allows us to verify that the code is running the tests that we wrote. So we make sure that students don't bypass the test by inserting their own code. Then we make sure that the code is producing output and students can't generate their own output because they don't have our secret keys. So we're actually doing this in the context of testing a small operating system. So students have a lot of control over the system that makes it difficult. We don't even trust printf because students have to implement it themselves. So this is a fun tool. We have students can submit things. There's a reactive interface here that when they submit will show them the results of testing. The Test 161 tool is really intelligent and knows about dependencies. It allows you to declare new tests if you want to. So here's an example. So showing the output from the system as it ran. This was some system simulator as it booted up and I ran a particular, here's the part where I ran a particular test and it was supposed to panic and it did panic and so I got credit for this test. And students see this updated live as the tests are running and then they can browse through this when they're done. There's also a leaderboard as you always need to sort of encourage students. Here's the assignment three leaderboard from last semester. We can see that there's some students that did extremely well. So this is fun. This class is very portable. It can pretty much go anywhere. I think the OS 161 instructional operating system that we use is excellent. It's a great balance between a system that is kind of too simple. Having students do OS-esque assignments that aren't in a real operating system. And then having people hack on Linux as a learning curve like this. And already has a lot of things implemented that you want students to be able to build themselves. So this is fun, continue to maintain this site over the next few years. And there's a lot of very helpful content up here. And we're very, very proud of the test 161 tool. I think it's a fantastic automated gradient approach.


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Hi folks, Larry Pesavento for TFNN mid-morning update. We've got a bifurcated market, as Basil Chapman would say. We've got some indexes down, some indexes up. The NASDAQ is down a little, Dow Jones up a couple, I think about 150 points, something like that. And we was up a lot more at one time. And then the S&P is up, and so are the, is the Russell. New bonds are selling off because they, we've been told by everybody on Bloomberg and FNN, TFNN, not TFNN, let's try to get CNBC that the banking crisis is officially over. Well, that's a good deal, boy, I was kind of worried about that, but it looks like it's going to be okay. We've got silver and gold down sharply. I also see there's a, you know, no longer a flight to quality of the air and everybody wants to own security. So that may be true. I've always been told by my old grandpa, when he was out there teaching me how to cut wood out there in the old forest there in Terro, Indiana. And he would tell you, look, this axe is sharp, but if it gets dull, it's really hard to cut the tree down. And I said, why is that? He says it's just been hit too many times. And that's what they're doing, folks, they're telling us that this banking crisis is over. And folks, let me tell you, I don't think that it is. If you just look at the bank stocks, yeah, they're soaring today up two and three and four percent after being down. Hello, operator, how much? Well, pay attention to the charts, folks.  And listen to what they say with bated breath, because by golly, you know, sometimes they tell us only half truths and sometimes they don't even tell us any truths at all. So let the charts lead you the way. If the prices are going up, there's more buyers. If prices are going down, there's more sellers. That's all you really need to know. And how much you're going to have to risk to put the trade on. That's my approach to these things. I miss a lot of stuff in the news, which is good. But I did post something here in the Tiger Den from my good friend, Norm Winsky. It's a picture of a cosmos. This thing is a billion light years across, folks. This is one big puppy. This is part of the universe that's out there that, you know, many of us are not even aware of. If you ever come to Tucson, you've got to go out to Mount Hopkins and see the observatory there, because it's one of the best in the world. And you can see the night sky and see all this. If you think there's never been a higher power out there, folks, got to take a look at this and maybe have second thoughts. So stay tuned for Larry Pesto Vento Fibonacci 24-7. And I'll be on on the next show here to help everybody out with maybe some ideas of what we're looking at. So we'll be right back.


Hello people of the internet, my name is Johnny and welcome to Socus Baby's Pizza Ward Adventures. I will be fully honest, I don't quite know what this game is, but we did play Socus Baby's Pizza Ward a little bit ago on the channel. So I thought, hey, let's check it out. Oh, what's this? We can select our character? Well, you already know we're playing as Funtime Freddy. Can I not? How do I enter? Enter. Funtime Freddy, reboot his head, torso, including arms and legs. Also including Bon Bon's arms and head. Critical warning, they're still testing going on with the Bonnie hand puppet. Who knows what could happen. But the two seem to be drawn to each other, other... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They seem to be drawn to each other, so if you see Bon Bon missing, just be sure to click the nose on the Funtime Freddy figure. Dude! They pulled a fuckin' FNAF 6! This is, this is one big goof, and wow, that goes up really slow! Does it reset every time I flip it down? No, it doesn't. Okay, good. It might, it, maybe it's like the boiler room in Syslocation where it just goes down a little bit. Alright, he's gone not yet, but he's getting into different poses, you know what that means. Oh my god. I did not expect this. This is legit just like Pizzeria Simulator, where Scott originally was like, oh yeah! Let's play together! Fuckin' no! This is literally just like Pizzer Sim, where Scott was like, oh yeah, it's just an 8-bit Pizzeria Simulator, and then he released it, and then it was fuckin' FNAF 6. This is just like that. I- Oh! Boop to snoot! Interesting, interesting, interesting. Okay, we did it, we did it. That, that is going up a lot faster. Ha ha ha ha! Are you ready for a fun surprise? No, am I ready for round two? No. Alright, so that is 100%. That is online, so what is that? His head? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's his head. So now we're doing his torso. I'll be honest, I wish there was like a little, little motto right here, showing Fun Time Freddy, and then when we rebooted his systems, they would like glow green or something. I feel like I've seen that somewhere though, so maybe that's a little bit of copying from someone else, but I think that would be really neat, rather than just, you know, like a blank black space. Are you ready for a surprise? No, I'm not. Show shut, de-flick up. I wonder, because I can see Fun Time Freddy go into his final phase by looking up at the top of the screen, so I wonder if I just have to look out for that. And other than that, I can just be in the, like right there. I think I just have to look out for that. Also, that animation is smooth as frick, and it appears that whenever I, like, what, what, reset him? Yeah, I think I just like reset him or something. When I click on the nose and the figure, it seems like the rebooting phase goes up faster after I do that. Are you ready for a fun surprise? No, nope. Got him again, and it's going up faster. Look at that. Oh, it's on blue. Oh, it's because I'm on Bon Bon now. Interesting, God, I gotta stop saying interesting. Okay, so, wow, this is going up real fast. So if I reboot this, will that stop Bon Bon from moving around? I don't think that's gonna be the case. But maybe it is, I don't really know. Wow, that got done a lot faster than the other ones. Okay, so we could probably get all four done in this episode.  You know, Ennard, Yendo, I don't know if those people were in the original Circus Baby's Pizza World, but it would be great to have them in here because this was awesome. And I know there's a lot of other fan games that have done a similar thing to this, you know, all the other, excuse me, characters from FNAF, you get to salvage them. But I just, I don't know, it's just the fact that I wasn't expecting this. All right, so what now? Log off? Just that simple? Purple Star, three clicks. What's that mean? I'm clicking. Oh. Oh, so I think it's just whenever you beat someone, you're gonna start. All right, well, let's do Baby then. Enter?  Is it just the same thing?  We viewed her head, torso, including arms and legs. Critical warning, due to her extra functions, she may start to slowly activate if the monitor is on. This is due to her possibly rusting more easily than the others. Okay, yeah, sure. If she activates somehow, then simply give her a controlled shock, might give the tablet a nice boost too. Who knows, three shocks before cooldown. Interesting, interesting, interesting. So, wait, hold on. She may start to slowly activate if the monitor is on. I don't know if it's like FNAF six, where if I shock her too much, she like loses her value. I don't think this is due to her possibly. I don't know if I have three shocks before cooldown. Um, so, what do you mean cooldown? Well, I guess we're gonna figure it out. It's the third shock. Just cooldown just mean I have to wait for this entire ball to fill up before I can shock again. That might be what it means. Bro, I'm not even done with the first reboot thing. Yeah, I think I do have to wait for the entire thing to fill back up. Ooh, gosh, these models are awesome though. I don't know if they were ripped from somewhere. High five, whoop, top of the morning. But they look awesome. Baby, your hand is going through the desk. I don't know if you guys can see that, but baby's hand is through the desk. Kinda odd.  Really? This one's tough. All right, shock.  That does give it a boost, it said. And it looks like it's giving it a boost. All right, I'm not entirely sure when baby's final phase is, so I'm not entirely sure when I should actually zapper. Well, that's why I shocked her last time. Why can't I do it again? I clicked it and it wouldn't let me. What? Why can't I, I can't, I can't shock? That was awesome, but I feel like I got cheated. Catch you all gone.  All right, let's check out what Ballora has in store. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Ballora, reboot her head torso, including arms and legs. Critical warning, Ballora may activate at the lack of noise produced by music you can hear in the swim. Yeah, I can hear it a lot. I don't know if it's loud for you guys, but wow. Why the music box occasionally, just to slow down the activity process? That's fine. I used to know this song on piano. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, wow, that goes down real fast. What is up with that? Wow, it's going down. Wow, it's going down. First one done. I want to win off beat there. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. It is nice and chill. I'll say that. Just listen to the music, you know? Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo. Second one done, almost there. So let's take it a little bit. You know, it's nice. It's enjoyable. It's calming, but let's take it a little bit. Oh, can we make it? Can we make it?  Log off. Bamm, bam, bam, blue star, nine, six, I don't know what that white means, but... All right, fun time foxy is the final one. I thought we would get off board done. Maybe we'll have to split this up into two videos? I don't quite know. Look at that. Two stars right there. That's great. All right, so foxy, here we go. What is your mechanic? I keep forgetting it's Enter actually. Oh, wow. These are all super creepy, by the way. Fun time foxy. Reboot his head torso including his arms of course and legs warning this latest model has motion activation Software that may cause her to activate in case he does remain completely still and watch him She might have a glitch or some bear. I froze up.   You saw that So how many how many like all right this is going up a lot faster, and I appreciate that how many Well faces do you have how many phases? All right. Nice. Is it just that one? Look, you know you look up, and then I have to stay still or was like another one after that where? Where I also, you know have to wait and stop wait a minute, you know It's also weird because you know I'm talking so clearly you know that someone is in the room with you so So how do you just like immediately if get like oh, yeah, I must have been my you know my mind my conscience in my head You know now I was pushing it. I really thought I was gonna die right there because I was pushing that But push it real good. All right. This one shouldn't be that bad I'm kind of annoyed that now that we didn't get baby. I think we'll finish her off in today's video We'll just we'll make this be a one-off video. You know we should be able to understand baby Hopefully because you know saving just one character for a whole nother video. That's just come on. All right, then final stretch final stretch We are almost there the fun time foxy and and Then we will finish off with baby. Hopefully if I can Get her out of the way. Oh really? I Almost there 80% Just a little bit more. Wow. I feel like that's going by really slow all of a sudden back to my work. All right, then Okay, now it's speeding up. What are you doing last time?  Can we finish in time? Yes Eight clicks. I don't know what eight clicks mean. What if Seven eight. I can't remember what these two had. Oh I'm gonna look back no courting. Oh I feel like that's gonna unlock like a secret character. All right Baby That's going up real fast. I like I like a dad. We build her hair Yeah critical warning due to extra function. So I activate if the monitor is on this is due to Her possibly rusting more. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she actually somehow then complete Then simply wow, I'm stupid then simply give her a controlled shock might give the tablet a nice boost to who knows three shocks before cool down Okay, so I see you're moving But I don't know what her final phase actually that's her final You know what that is that's called her final phase right there. Also, that is not giving the monitor a boost. Are you kidding me? Well, this this is I see you're moving. Oh why All right, come on. Where's my monitor boost? I ain't seeing it. Okay. This might actually just be a giant Waiting game. All right, so next phase is the final one. Can I show up? I can We're not gonna be able to get this done in time So we're gonna have to wait a long time All right, so next phase is the final one. Oh, no, this this one's gonna go all the way back down to zero. I gotta wait. Oh I gotta wait.  I don't need you right now. I was trying to check the news with with But they can't connect to the Wi-Fi right now So I got to find the settings on my app of whatever anyway, so I've waited long enough and we are back We're back, baby. We're on a roll and we have all our shocks Back back, babe. Anyway, so next phase we shock them right there, right? Unless I have to wait again for the reset Maybe my Google home app is done downloading.  Yeah, I'm still trying to set up my Google home while I wait and then I just immediately exit out of the monitor Don't come back. I wait for it to recharge again. Then I can use that to my advantage. Yes No, this has taken a really long time. I'm sorry if the video is super long Do I have another shock? Oh, I better Why are you going so fast, baby? And why isn't my day? I don't God this is annoying.  I beat it all by myself without the help of any mmf application. So what now do I get anyone? No, I can click on them a certain number of times. I'm sure I have a feeling this is doing 193 whoa Is that Ennard? That's Ennard. Do you remember me? Maybe who you asking? Oh Do you remember what I did? I mean there's a lot of stuff Enno did he could be the stitch, right? How do I I think I just have to wait for the text. Yeah, I believe she remembers to who is she? grown-down game Peace dialogue Ennard. Oh, oh, it's dot dot dot nice. Awesome. Great. You get what else? What are you saying, man? We did this once before We'll get him blow a song in the background Was he talking about blower?  Okay fantastic.  I have to go same Um Gotta go to I got other stuff to a chord like I said more fan games You know into the pit summary for now for now what gotta set up my Google home, man Because for some reason it won't connect to the Wi-Fi So you see oh in my game crashed interesting interesting a little bit back up and what happens? No nothing Okay Yeah Right yeah, I can still go back into it huh, so maybe there's gonna be a sequel I Don't really know but that is it for circus babies pizza world adventures. I'm pretty sure it was called Thank you for watching. I was not expecting this to be a salvage game at all But I'm so glad that we were able to beat basically everyone it just they were taking a long time So speaking of long time this video has been going on for quite a long time as well So I just want to thank you so much for watching and I'll see you all on the flip side. Goodbye


I'm Frank Tifano, I am here in New York City at Madison Square Park where we have a vegan activist event being conducted by the Anonymous for the Voiceless. Let's see if they have any voices to share with us today. Alright so we walked around, tried to hand out a couple of flyers, you know informing people on why a vegan diet isn't optimal and maybe like a handful of people wanted to read it, was met with a pretty hostile response, maybe I should not have dressed up as cave boy today. Some people were kind of nice and open but that was maybe two out of about 40 people so I think we do have a few people to talk to and interview. So what's going on man what's your name? Ryuji, what's your name? Frank right? Yeah I'm Frank. How are you? Sean I'm doing good man, did you want to discuss any topics in particular? No I'm just wondering what you are doing here right now and I would love to because I'm sure you know what we're doing here, I'm sure everyone looking here is aware like what we're doing so I'd love to know what your perspective is. Yeah sure I came down I actually I made some flyers that just had some bullet points on you know some drawbacks to a vegan diet and you guys didn't seem interested in reading the flyers so I just decided to start walking around and talking to people and asking if they were interested in being interviewed. You know I asked about like 20 or 30 people if they wanted to read or they were open to more information and they were not open to more information on the vegan diet so you know I'm presenting flyers, I'm trying to give people an opposite perspective and they didn't really seem to Okay so what are the drawbacks? Well there's three, the nutritional drawbacks of a vegan diet, you have the moral and ethical drawbacks of a vegan diet. So this is the guy that's the party pooper, he doesn't want me to entertain you guys, he doesn't want me to talk to anyone. You see these two girls right here? These two girls right here are talking probably to a vegan maybe he's trying to convince them or something but there's entertainment in every aspect of life. These girls are being entertained by his idea of a vegan diet. If you don't have entertainment you will not capture someone's attention so saying that oh you're here for entertainment that doesn't make any sense. What about my channel? What's the focus of it? The name is my name, my YouTube channel is my name, it's Frank, yeah Frank Tufano. It's in my car, it's in my car. Oh look we got another one, they got the witch from the, what is it, what's the show?  No not no the yellow brick road, the yellow brick road, what's that called? No no what's the movie with the yellow brick road? Wizard of Oz, yeah we got the wicked witch of the west from the Wizard of Oz over here. What's the name of the channel? It's Frank Tufano, T-U-F-A-N-O, F-A-N-O. Can you roll, can you roll the camera? Let's follow Captain Dush nozzle around.  Where do you go? All right so we got Captain Kiljoy over here, the blonde guy with the, he says German and Dutch on his shirt, he's walking away from us because he wants nothing to do with us. This gentleman has been going up to every single person I've tried to spoke into and he has told them not to speak with me, for what reason I don't know, but he's not getting paid by these people, they're not paying him anything. So he has some incentive to discourage other people from learning more about the diet and keeping people from hearing anything that detracts from their message. And he's not too happy that we're following him around. We tried speaking to about half a dozen people and every single time we spoke to someone that wasn't affiliated with the event, someone from the event came up to them and told them not to talk to us, said something negative about us. So as usual, vegans are trying to silence the truth and they don't want to listen to contrary opinions, they don't want to be open minded or anything. So what turned you on to a vegan diet? Animal rights. Animal rights. So I mean the three main arguments for a vegan diet are maybe nutrition, animal rights, as well as the environment, right? I mean that would be a plant-based diet, but yeah. What turned you on to the vegan diet? 15 years ago I found out about the process by which animal products come to my plate and I decided I was not comfortable with that and didn't do it overnight but I know, I know, it's fine. I know, it's fine. Yeah, I decided that that wasn't for me and I've been vegan since. I mean have you been made aware of conventional, we got Captain Killjoy number two over here, walkie-talkied up and dressed in black. I'm going to be honest, man. I feel like sometimes I'm missing part of my brain when I talk to people, but I feel bad. Sue's giving me one word of answers, did not really think it for herself. It's unfortunate that these people get exposed to this information at such a young age. Sir, did you have any opinions on a vegan diet? No, I don't have it. I wouldn't want one. I agree. This guy said he would interview with us and now he doesn't want to, so the vegan hive mind changes mind.  So he speaks for what you think? I mean we have the same, the vegan message is the same everywhere. What is the vegan message? The vegan message is stop killing animals, it's that simple. So stop grinding animals up in conventional monocropping?  Yeah, so stop buying food from the supermarket. Oh, we got Captain Killjoy's back. He's back. I've never seen someone so pasty in the middle of the summer, to be honest. Why don't vegans ever promote pastured animals? Why don't they mention that they're much better alternatives to these animals that are being tortured? It's Mr. Killjoy One. It's Mr. Killjoy One. I need to go in a bit anyway, but I mean I can answer your question. Wait, what was your question? I'm sorry. You know, this is a public space. I understand this is their event and that we're going to their event to try to present contrary information, but none of their stuff has merit to it. They don't want to answer questions. They don't really want to address anything we spoke about. And that interview earlier, that guy was completely rude and just kept interrupting me. We're just going to ask some random strangers on the street and see if they're interested in talking to us. Any opinions on the vegan diet? I think that it's important to be vegan. Are you vegan? Kind of. It's really cool. I try to be vegan some days of the week, or like days without eating any meat. I've tried it in the past. It's difficult. I love the taste of beef, so it's something I've got to be, you know, deprogrammed to be able to make it happen. What's going on? Do you guys like vegans? Yeah. Did you want to talk about a vegan diet for a few minutes? No? Okay, sure, yeah. Did you want to talk about a vegan diet? Vegan, I am vegan. Oh, you are vegan? Yes. Did you want to discuss possibly like the nutrition, environmental, or moral aspects of a vegan diet? Local. I agree. 100% eat local. Yes. Because local bacteria, that's what you need in your gut. Not something for Brazil if you live in New York City. Have you heard anything about a vegan diet? A little bit. I once had a workmate who was a vegan eater. It doesn't sound like fun at all. I mean, vegetarian would be bad enough, but vegan I agree 100%. I mean, was he like unusual compared to anyone else or? No, she wasn't. Pinion's on the vegan diet? Oh, I am a vegan.  Yeah. So when did you start being vegan? Well, I started vegetarian 13 years ago and vegan only a year ago. So you think a lot of vegans are that like going to supermarkets that just buy whatever and aren't really mindful of their food choices or where they're coming from. That could, that's maybe an issue. Absolutely. That's an issue. Yes. Because you need, again, local bacteria for the local environment.  In the context of a vegan diet, most people talk about, you know, the environment, the animals, the health and nutritional aspects. But have you looked into like counter opinions on any drawbacks to it? No. Do you think people are under the perception that a vegan or vegetarian diet is healthier? I think so. It probably is, but I don't know that. Are you trying to be vegan? Is it for the health, the environment, for the animals? Yeah, mostly. It's okay. I mean, meat being the only real source of certain vitamins and nutrients in the human diet, you don't think that... Buckwheat, look it up. Buckwheat has what? What vitamins? Complete source of protein. Buckwheat. Complete source of protein. But what about vitamin B12? Vitamin B12, you can get from other things. Let's see. Well, except now, awful food. That's where it comes in. Awful food, and I'll tell you why. The awful food is not something you have to kill for, but if it's dead, you end up eating it, right? I'm sorry, can you just clarify, what do you mean by awful food? Awful food is internal organs, basically. Yes, that's where you get your vitamin B. So vitamin B is a problem, yes. I do take supplements for vitamin B. I have to. But other than that, I supplement everything else. Full protein source is buckwheat for me. There are several nutritional issues with the vegan... I mean, we know vegans have to supplement a lot, and supplements aren't really spoken a lot about in the context of the vegan diet. They kind of brush it off, right? Yeah. Oh, 100%. And I had a real issue. I tried it a few years ago, and I was an unhealthy vegan eater. So I think there's a correct way to do it, because I don't always think it's the healthiest option. Have you been led to believe that a vegan diet is better for you? I do believe it's good. I did it like in the past, and I think that it's good. But personally, I need to eat some protein in order to be healthy. But in general, I think it's important that we can survive without meat. It's fine. On the topic of the nutritional downsides of a vegan diet, I mean, those aren't really touched on too much. Yeah, well, I guess there's a lot of propaganda out there about animal protein as compared to plant protein. So I think that's pretty important to get the information out there about animal protein not being superior to plant protein. Do you think vegans need to be more aware of the nutrients that they need to supplement, such as vitamin B12? Do you feel as if that's not talked about enough in the context of the vegan diet? Absolutely, yes. B12 is a big problem. There's scarcity or scarcity of B12 in vegetable diet. Yes, you have to admit that. So I do have to supplement either with supplements or I go for awful food sometimes.  Oh, it's so good for the animals. Oh, it's so good for the environment. But they don't tell you that, oh, you need to do it this way or at least there are some drawbacks to it from a nutritional standpoint. 100%. I don't think it's as easy as it sounds. I mean, I don't even know if people think it sounds easy. I think it's a very difficult thing. I think a lot of research needs to go into it as well. Where did you get the idea that a vegan diet is better for you on those aspects? It's to keep everything in an equilibrium or simple and good. Okay, yeah. Thank you, guys. Did you have any thoughts on the omega fatty acids as well, like EPA and DHA and the conversion? Bukweed has all of that. So you're saying that buckwheat has alpha linolenic that converts? Everything. Yes, absolutely. It's a seed, remember. It's just like sunflower seeds. Okay, so I mean, it does need to be converted in the body. I mean, are you concerned that there haven't really been a lot of studies done on the conversion of these foods in the body? Well, I take it raw. I literally, I blend it with water and I just intake it. It's raw. You just turn it into a powder and mix it with a yogurt if you can because I take yogurt. I have to. You want to talk about the vegan diet? No? Okay, I blame you. Miss, I'm sorry. Did you want to talk about the vegan diet? No? All right. She looks pale enough to be a vegan. Do you take any sort of vitamin A supplements? Vitamin A? No, not at all. Again, buckwheat going back, it's got everything. So the carotene and buckwheat would convert in the body to vitamin A? Yes, because what I do, I'm a vegan, but I have to take dairy. I have to. That takes me out of the vegan, but you see, you cannot be strictly vegan, strictly vegan. You have to have a comprehensive diet where your bacteria has to come from somewhere.  I take raw milk sometimes. I eat raw eggs.  That's naturally out. But you have to take sometimes the awful food because you have heart, lungs, liver. That's B12 right there, complex B. Any opinions on the vegan diet? No, thank you. You know what likes the vegan diet, right? Sir, you think a vegan diet is ridiculous? No, I'm just saying this whole, yeah, I'm not going to. I agree, 100%. Whole thing is completely out there. What are you going to do, though? Problem is that what we do with the live. In a nutshell, go to the beach. Get your vitamin D. Eat local. You must have local biodome. Eat pizza? No. Cheese or not? Well, unless, you know, unleavened food, no yeast. Yeah, stay away from yeast. That makes your feet stink, by the way. The moral and ethical aspects of a vegan diet are pretty foggy when it's a choice between grinding up rodents and deer and insects and literally destroying the environment.  That's, those are the two options. Either way, you're killing animals, but when you do the former, you're just not directly involved in the process of harming those animals. It's kind of hiding it. The environmental aspect, that's a whole debacle, but, you know, you have periods of time like in the medieval period, the medieval warm period. There are, you know, very short periods of time in human history, you know, a few dozen years, 30, 40 years, where the temperature has drastically changed. A large variance of degrees. And then you also have the, what is it? The nutritional aspects of a vegan diet. People don't usually discuss this because their point is that veganism and the point of being a vegan is, you know, it's for the animals. It's a moral or ethical obligation. So some people might be open to discussing the nutritional aspect of a vegan diet and that's what we wanted to find today. Absolutely, yes. This is about... Vegan is about living a wholesome life. Vegan, absolutely. What is your understanding of the vegan diet and the environment? That, you know, most people are led to believe it's better. I have no understanding of it, I guess.  Well, it has to be natural without any pesticides, that's for sure. Because that comes in your body and that does kill the bacteria. It's all about the bacteria. It's all about the biodome in your gut. All diseases start from the gut. That's it. That's how it goes. The meat, you definitely want to stay from meat products because it takes the longest to digest. We're not tigers. We're not dogs. We don't have the capacity, natural capacity to digest that food. Our stomachs are only made for digesting berries, nuts, fruits and veggies. That's it. Do you think it's a possibility that the reason meat takes longer to digest is because we're extracting more nutrition from it? No, because it takes longer to break it down. What initially got you to try the vegan diet? I have a hard time, you know, seeing stuff like that with animals being mistreated and it makes me sick to my stomach to think about it. On the topic of, like, the moral and the environmental aspects, I mean, most people are saying it's better for the animals and it's better for the environment as well. True, but if animals aren't eaten, they'll disappear anyhow. I mean, for example, if we didn't eat cows, there wouldn't be many cows around. So you wouldn't be killing as many, but their population would go down to a small fraction of what it is now. Out of all the aspects of the vegan diet, you know, we have the nutritional aspect, we have the environmental aspect, and we have the moral and ethical aspect. Did you have, like, a brief opinion on each of those? Well, I would say the moral and ethical aspect is probably the strongest one for me. Like, when we get a rotisserie chicken, I've got to have somebody else tear it apart because I can't go and if I can identify it as an animal, it makes me sick to my stomach to even think about trying to tear it apart to eat it. What's the reason you became vegan? Animal rights. Animal rights? Yeah. So did you look into any other aspects of the vegan diet outside of that when you started it or...? No, it was very much about animal rights and the environment.  Was it a craving? Was it... I don't want to impose anything. Was it because of the difficulty of the social situation? I mean, it's just the taste. I just love cheese and eggs and meat. Brought up on it. I grew up on a farm. We had to go out and pluck our chickens. I had a cow that was my best friend. Her name was Lucille. We had her slaughtered one day and came home to find her head buried in our yard. But then we had hamburgers and steak for the next two years. So it was... Maybe it was being so young and having that sort of trauma, having to bury it because I got to eat it, you know?  Yeah, that's true. But I wish we didn't have to kill her.  And then we had some pigs and we had them taken to the slaughterhouse. And, you know, I think I learned to bury all those emotions about them as individuals. In nature, there are literally thousands of species of animals. And in the United States, we eat beef, pork and chicken. It's like we took these animals out of nature and now we're raising them on feed lots, treating them horribly, and the meat's making us sick because of how we're raising the animals.  But there's a problem with conventionally grown plant foods, too. You know, when you till the soil, you know, when you spray pesticides and herbicides, you're killing trillions of animals and displacing millions of animals as well. And vegans avoid this.  What do you care more about? You know, those insects, those rodents, those animals are, you know, I guess that's a moral decision most people like to have to make. But the one thing vegans tend to avoid and the reason I'm going through all of this is they don't talk about supporting local agriculture and supporting local farms. That's very important to support the local farms. I mean, I think that's where you should get most of your produce and meats from. And I don't think that's as bad. I have a friend that supports all local farms and I think that that's just as good as being a vegan as well. You think it's easier for people to just, you know, go into the supermarket and pick up some fruits or some vegetables or some grains and not think about the animal that was slaughtered yet.  Do you think there's a detachment in our modern context of how we buy food? Completely. Yeah, because I don't, if I get a burger, I don't, for once, think about that it's an animal. I just think it's a burger.  And you know, they do that from meal to meal to meal. You just kind of forget that they're actual living creatures. So you don't think vegans have a lot of, like, you know, foresight. They're not really thinking too far into the future. They're not thinking about how we've always lived. I think they think about what they're doing quite a bit.   But you know, it's what humans have done for many, many years. And as we've lost our natural instinct, our hunting instinct and all that stuff, and as we've domesticated animals, it's created a tough situation. You know, and I think a lot of, you know, the misconceptions about the plant-based diet, you know, people don't really understand them and they need to be made a little bit more aware of them. That's true. But no, thanks again, guys. I'm going to let you go, okay? Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you so much, guys. Thank you. That was nice. That was pleasant. You know, it shows you that even people that, you know, don't appear to really be too aware of, I mean, the guy literally tried to vegan diet for a period of time, but I mean, he wasn't even aware too much of all of the arguments. Just the emotional aspect resonated with him so much that it convinced him to be vegan. And I guess he just wasn't sucked into it as much as everyone else. But what's really interesting about this is he was exposed to the contrast. As a child, he grew up on a farm. He had the animal foods in his diet, the high quality, nourishing animal foods. And that's very important. And even after being exposed to that information, you know, the vegan diet still clicked in his head to some degree. So there's definitely a lot of social conditioning going on here. Any opinions? Oh, I like it. I like it. No, okay. There you go. You're doing a wonderful job. So thank you. Thank you so much, Miss.  Thank you. Thank you. No, that was... I was really excited for that because I saw she was pregnant.   And, you know, it's one in millions. It's one person in millions. There's only so much we could do.  And if I started talking about, you know, deep nutrition and metabolic pathways, it's just too much information for these people to understand. It's, you know, you have to start very basic and just kind of ease your way in there and be approachable. But people simply aren't aware of the nutrition of animal foods and how important they are. What's going on, man? Any opinions on the vegan diet? No. All right. Do you ladies like the vegan diet? No, not really. No. Yeah. Nasty stuff. I mean, do you have any, like, thoughts or opinions on general, on the vegan diet outside of that? Not really. Thank you so much. Thank you. I don't know how these people have been standing out here all day since about 10 a.m. It's like four o'clock now, dressed in full black, wearing masks, not getting paid. Definitely some form of mental illness. But I guess it's all for the animals, right? Let's let humans suffer dozens of humans sweating their guts out in the middle of New York City to convince other people to join their cause. You cannot be extreme on either side of the aisle. You have to be in the middle, just like Buddha said. The happiness is the middle. All right, man. Thank you so much. My name is Frank, man. Hey, thank you. Thank you. Nice meeting you. Enjoy the rest of your day. Take care. It's not going to get better than that. Not going to get better than that.  Look, he's a nice guy. He's 90% of the way there. He knows what he's talking about. The guy drinks raw milk.  And, you know, he might not be aware of conversion rates of certain nutrients. He might not be aware of, you know, I mean, buckwheat. I don't want to have to debacle that. But compared to what we've seen today and what we're used to speaking about, I think out of any vegan thing I've seen online, by far the most intelligent conversation I've ever had or seen. At heart, vegans may have good intentions, but it's very clear there are misled on the nutrition environment as well as moral and ethical aspects of a vegan diet. Let's continue the promotion of high quality nutrient-dense animal foods.