Snoop-D-O-Double-G. Snoop-Doggy-Dog, come out and do it, Doggy, with me. Because I'm wearing blue. No, you were in the bandana blue.  I'm Snoop Dogg. And you can follow us on Instagram, Twitter for more juicy content. Hello. Patreon. Patreon. Twitter account, subscribe if you haven't, hit the like button. You know who you are. Who are they? Tyreek. Oh. It's my homies that also wear blue. Yikes. I don't even know if the buzz-in crypts are showing around, actually. They're still around. They're just, they're very, very low-key. Well, that's good. Yeah. We don't need any more high-profile stuff going on. We have enough white people shooting. That's true. Yeah, we don't need any more of that. They're probably sitting back going, Damn, look at these domestic terrorists. Crazy. Anyways, today we're doing a movie with you. And it's of the 1994 Tamil film Madhanadi. Madhanadi. So directed by Santana Bharati. Written dialogue by Kamal Hassan. And a story by him. Rocky Rangarajan. It also did a dialogue as well. Composed by Raja Sir and then starring Kamal Hassan and there's a few other people, but this is a Kamal Hassan star film. Yeah. It came out in 1994, so it's gonna be 100 cents for review. So if anyone wants to go watch it, I think we saw it on Amazon. I believe it's where we saw it. Yes, it's on Amazon. So you can go watch it. Rick, your initial thoughts, please. Initial thoughts, obviously we'll start off with the things that we liked about it, but ultimately for me, it was not my favorite at all. I like the story, but as far as the entertaining and engaging or educating and enlightening, it was, it did improve in the second half. I had messaged Corbin while we were watching it that the first half was really, I don't mean this to sound insulting, but it was boring for me. It was slow. I was trying to keep myself engaged and stay interested in what was going on. After the first hour, it did get better and ultimately I think the story is a very good story, but I think it suffers from a lot of other things that for me personally, it's a one and done. I agree with the first half or the first 45 to an hour of I was, I was like, okay, Kamal's doing good. Yeah, he's always gonna be good. Doing good, but I just like, what's the story here? Obviously you figured out why as you went along, exactly the story. But it's a long drive home. Yeah, it is a long film, especially being older as well. I think if it was made now, the obviously would be a lot more crisp and... And we understand that a lot of films in India were this length because that was the expectation and you want to give everybody the quote unquote bang for their buck. It's just not a really good... I got much more engaged though in the second half. Comparatively, I did.  I was gonna say, when I was staring off in the distance and I thought, wait, that's a spoiler.  Other things just cost you a left arm. It's true.  Yeah, it'd be cool, but it's a great story to tell. How'd you lose your arm? Well, I was protecting my daughter from a pedophile. You should see the other guy. He's dead now. Yeah, he's dead. So yeah, towards the second half, I got much more interested and it got just, it got a lot more engaging with the story and what would happen. I think a lot of it maybe has to do with how dated some of the film was. I'm sure the budget was really low. It is nice that obviously I really appreciated the story of it. The story and Kamal are the best things about it. Kamal obviously loves doing interesting stories. He doesn't like doing stories that just have this bland. You've seen it before. Right. There's a lot going on in this film. There is. When she was watching it, she was like, why does it seem like bad stuff just happens to him? Yeah. Every film that goes online. It's true. This is actually, in terms of how much bad stuff happens to him, in terms of like the Chandra, or whatever, the Chandanini bar, in terms of just how just bad stuff keeps happening to this thing. Let's talk about Hey Rom. He has a lot of bad stuff happening over there too. Does Kamal sound like having happy things happen to him? I think he really identifies with a good person having really bad things happen to them and how far they'll be pushed and what they do to, will they make choices where it's still a righteous decision to do what they're gonna do, or did they give in to the darkness inside of them and fight the evil with their own warped evil? He's very much interested in that human aspect. He definitely kept you engaged in the second half and obviously, you know why all the stuff happened in the first half of the doing and foreshadowing and build up and all that kind of stuff. Of course. You can debate whether that was necessary fully or not, but, and then it became multiple different things. It became a prison drama, prison action film, a thriller, what was the film with Liam Neeson, the Taken or whatever. Yeah, Taken. Any of the ones where you've done something to my kid and I'm gonna get you back for it. Yeah, essentially. It became a whole bunch of different things. It's very, I guess. Why is the door open? I don't know. We must not have latched it. I don't know if that's messing up the audio. Yeah. We have a very small room. Yes, very. But yeah. Oh yeah, Ash told me she was, oh, I didn't get back to her. She was thinking she might come join us today. Oh yeah. That was last night, but it wasn't that day happening.  Anyways, it's very Indian, that aspect of it, because Indian films have, just like, because when I reviewed that with my cinema club, somebody's like, so what genre is it? And they're like, all of them. All of them. I feel like that's a very, I know it's called Masala, and I know that wouldn't tentatively be a Masala. This doesn't fall into that. Right. But Indian films often, especially older ones, tend to have every emotion, every kind of genre. All genre blended in a single film. And it's an endearing thing. To have happened, I love, obviously it caught me off guard many times, because when the grandma died, right? What happened to those kids? I was like, especially her. I was like, are we really just about to put her into the sex trade? Is this man literally about to rape a 13-year-old?  It's like, and that's such a change from what happened in the first hour, and I don't know how it was in the film. And I will, obviously, one of the things about the film for its time is... Definitely did different stuff, for sure, for the time. For the time, and the Indian audience, that's one of the things that Kamal Hassan is known for since like his beginning films, is that he doesn't think about whether or not this is gonna be a commercial success or the audiences are necessarily gonna wanna go see it. I wanna tell a compelling story that I believe anybody who wants to hear a compelling story is gonna wanna see and has a level of artistic merit to it. So when you compare it to the other films of the day, I understand the fact that it's quite revolutionary. Yeah, in 1994, what came out? Think about the stuff that was coming out in 94 in Indian cinema. Is it DDLJ? Was it 94, 95? In that ballpark? That's the ballpark we're talking. But also, that was Hindi, so I don't know, what else was coming out in Tamil? When did Bombay and those ones come out? I don't remember the dates. But for the films that people would have known that are going on, this definitely falls outside the- Like I said, that's Wheelhouse. The overall story, and then obviously Kamal, which is both Kamal, the story is Kamal and the acting is Kamal, he's an artist, right? And so he doesn't wanna do the same thing that he's seen before. He wants to do something different. He wants to tell a different story. And you love that about the man. Yeah. And then let's talk about his performance, and then we'll get into some other stuff that we had a little more issues with, obviously. But he, this is his vehicle, right? Yeah. This is, he's the 100% star of this. There are other characters, but they're very, very small. They're quite expandable. Although I did appreciate his wife, or love interest, who became his wife. He really loves, I'm gonna talk about Kamal here, he loves putting authentic good relationships between a male and a female on screen. He's, that's one of my favorite things about him. I know we've talked about sexuality, we've talked about that, but I feel like he likes to put like a more Western, I'm not saying it's like, totally a Western thing, but the fact that, you know, loving, kissing, I want you, I want like- It very much is, I mean, and it is Western because that was a lot of the influence that he, and even Satyajit Rai, talked about in terms of wanting their storytelling to be more like that because if you look at what was going on when you talk about intimacy and sexual relationships, Hollywood was making films like Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf in the 60s, and Midnight Cowboy in the 1960s, and then in the 1970s, Taxi Driver. So you were getting very real, very raw, very mature content, controversial. It's why we came up with a rating system, and there were none until Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf, and then technically Midnight Cowboy was rated X, and then because it was so commercially successful, the producers asked the rating system to please give it an R so we can distribute it to theaters and people can see it, and they did. It was not edited. The rating system just went, okay, fine, it's popular, go ahead, and they gave it a rated R, even though it was exactly the same film when they gave it an X. That's awesome. So I only mentioned that to say when you make that comparison of what was going on in the West, it's very true, and Kamal Hassan would be one of those people who was influenced as his most, I mean, you're influenced by good cinema. It wasn't only the West that he was influenced by, like if you talk to Anya Ragh, it's everywhere. His DVD collection is everywhere, same thing with Satyajit Rai. He would talk about everywhere, not just America. So that's, I agree, this is a film I can appreciate for its time and its place in the same way, this might be an unfair comparison because you're using technology and stuff, but if you watch the original King Kong, it's a one and done. You can appreciate what it meant for cinema in its day, and you can say, I appreciate, and I think that's a great story, but I'm not watching that again. That's how I felt for this one. I might watch the second half parts again if it was just on, or maybe I'd appreciate the first a little more since I know the story, but yeah, the second half was definitely the much, much stronger part, but his performance as well. His performance is, of course, it was good. He's just, he's believable, he's grounded, and there's multiple moments between him and his wife, or love interest, multiple moments where he just broke down, like obviously at the end with his daughter, which obviously you can just, he's always emotionally available. Empathized with, and then, it's kind of hard not to really empathize with what happened to him and his family. And he never does anything cliche. I believe it's justified and it's in the moment. Yeah, he's, even though there's nothing, like I wouldn't say this is a standout thing where you would want to see it for his amazing acting, but that you don't always get that in every film. He's just solid. I think it was really, really good. I did appreciate a lot of the moments in like the prison, especially when Kamal and his wife were looking at each other and what they did with that cinematically. Yeah, that's probably one of my favorite moments. Of course, with Rajasar's score. Yeah, I said out loud, I said that's really nice. I also understand that this film was the first time an Indian film had partnered with Avid Technologies, which at the time was the forefront of changing the world of editing from actual manual editing of 35 millimeter film to doing digital editing and digital, anything digital, but especially the editing aspect of both sound and visuals. So I don't know what to look for in that. I don't, my friend Kenny, who's an editor, would know what to look for and how that is. But again, groundbreaking Kamal Hassan wanting to do things that are stretching every aspect. I was looking and thinking maybe even some of the editing. He might have, he does everything. He might have. But I also heard, and I don't know if you heard this too, that his idea for the story kind of came about when somebody he knew or like one of the people who worked for him was conspiring to kidnap his kids. What? I read that in a story about the background of this, that that's part of what inspired him to write the story about this guy's kids being taken from him. Now, they never went through with it, but he had found out that was the case. Now, I may have, that may be out of nowhere, but I, Wow, that's awful if that is the... Yeah, wouldn't surprise me a person at that level.  Can't think of something worse really than what really happened to this man. You can, I can completely sympathize with him and wanting to go and take revenge. Absolutely.    I guess India was eight years or something for... There's another aspect of this. What do they call it? Here we call it time for good behavior, but there's another word for it in this film. Is it over and over again? Yeah, I forget what they say. It's not restitution, but it's a thing you can lose, which he obviously does for good behavior, which wasn't really good behavior. It's more like, do what you're told and pay the bribes and you'll get out. Essentially. Essentially. I did like that tension of, with the guards and him finally saying, I can't take any more of that. There was a lot of L.A. guards saying, I fell, I like that. I think it was just desserts. There was a lot of this movie that I actually really appreciated just artistically in terms of what it meant for the time. It's just, I think it might have fallen under also the time of the style of films that was made in terms of the length and especially in the first half, the pacing being extremely slow and uninteresting almost for a while. Yeah, I felt like there was nothing happening in terms of, I didn't even feel like it's okay if things don't happen, like in Opu, where you're just being left in a moment but you can sense that there's an intentionality behind that? Well, now that I've seen the whole thing, obviously you see the intention obviously is just, I just, in the moment before I had obviously seen it, obviously you can have, in retrospect, you can see everything but in the moment, it was just, Me too, me too. It was, I kind of had to stop it a few times and be like, okay, here we go. Get back into this. Yeah, someone said, what does this fall for you? Like if someone had never seen Kamal Hassan's movies, I would say for its time, there's a lot in this that people praise and they will get awards for. At the time, probably would have liked it a little. Oh yeah, because, well, it's like anything I look at from, like if I look at something I saw from 30 years ago, most of the time I look at it now with an excitement and go, oh yeah, that's not as good as I remembered. Just because of the time. So yeah, I would say I understand why this movie's loved and if you're a die-hard Kamal Hassan who saw it when it came out, I'm not gonna tell you it's a bad movie. I'm just gonna tell you for me, I wasn't engaged and entertained the way I thought I might be and I won't watch it again but that doesn't mean it's not, you don't, you're gonna like it. Rick hates Kamal Hassan. There you go.   I don't know where any of it lands anymore. It's really very liberating. It's wonderful. It's a quite wonderful thing. I do wanna talk about Raja Serr's composition. I thought it was actually very subtle for a Raja Serr composition. Especially for the era too. At some moments I forgot there was a score. Like there's a fight sequence where there was no score and halfway through the fight sequence I was like, how often do you get fight sequences with zero music going on. We're just getting the cooch-tooch-tooch-tooch-tooch-tooch-tooch-tooch-tooch. And then moments of score that are so, the only time I sensed that and I think this is both his choice and also the director's choice. They brought the forefront, the music was the forefront when they needed to, thematically. Like the moments, like you said, that beautiful moment where he sees her through the bars and then the lighting changes on the bars and the people disappear from behind them. That's a really nice moment. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I enjoyed his score behind it. I had a very subtle for, I feel, Rajasar. I agree. And the time and the stunt work, I feel for the day was good. Was it? For one-on-one close up for the day. I've seen way worse stunt work for early 2000s Indian cinema. No, this was for the day. This was, in fact- It's not surprising with Kamala's, huh? Exactly. No, that would be one of the things that's a story, his performance in the stunt work, score as well as the stunt work. Those are the things I was very impressed because most of the stunt work was small and that's where you can usually ruin it the most. And most of it, very nice choices. I'm sure it was his as well as the director's.  And so an easy way to do that is to frame the camera rather than have it be this way, you have it be this way, so that he could be five feet away from me but it still looks like he hit me. They did a very good job with that. Yeah, totally agree. Anyways, let us know what you thought about the film. What should be our next Kamala Hassan and Tamo film that we should watch if you haven't seen our other Kamala. I think we've seen, this is probably six. Six? In that ballpark. Somewhere around there for Kamala Hassan. We're getting there. We're getting there. We're almost seeing this entire catalog. And we've actually seen a film of his now in theaters when it released. Vikram! Vikram! Let us know what the next Kamala Hassan film should be down below.


Hello and welcome to the International Daily Roundup with People's Test Patch where we bring you some of the top stories from across the globe. Let's take a look at today's headlines. Three months following the murder of George Floyd, protests intensify across the US. Libyan stage protests against poor living conditions and in-subtraction public services. Three coal miners killed in foreign-exiled mine blasts in Pakistan. Cambodian civil societies call for release of trade union leader. Attempts at political dialogue in Mali end without decision on transitional government. Anti-racism protests continue strongly across the US as the country marks a third month since George Floyd was murdered in Minneapolis. Protests have intensified following the shooting of a man in the town of Kenosha in Wisconsin. Protesters have pointed out that the government has made very little attempts to address their demands, including reduction of funding of police. Some cities have reduced police budgets technically while not making any changes to substantial spending for the police. Many other key demands have not been addressed. For instance, the residents of Portland have been demanding the closure of a juvenile detention center, however the Trump administration responded by sending federal forces. Incidents of police violence have continued despite the police outrage. With the US elections in the pipeline, neither Biden nor Trump have taken up the core demands of the protesters. While Trump continues to bank on the protests to help him win this re-election, Biden has taken the position that funding for the police should be done according to the needs of the local community. Between 2013 and 2019, 7,666 people were killed by the police in the United States. 751 people have been killed in 2020 so far. Protesters have taken to the streets in two major cities of the conflicted in Libya, the capital Tripoli and the country's third largest city, Misrata. The protests are being held against the government of National Accord or the GNA led by Prime Minister Faisal Saraj. The protesters demanded that the government take steps to improve the living conditions and economic situation of ordinary Libyans. The protesters are also expressing their anger and frustration for the continually declining living conditions, massive shortages of water and petrol, long power cuts across the country and a chronic lack of other basic public services. On Sunday, a large protest demonstration was held in Tripoli in which thousands of ordinary Libyan citizens marched on the streets of the city and headed towards the city centre. On the way to the headquarters of the GNA, the protesters were met with armed men who fired in the air to scare away the protesters and break up the protests. Many are alleged that the government has siphoned off the money that was reportedly earmarked to be spent on the already under pressure and extremely fragile healthcare system in the country in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic. The country has until now reported 11,000 COVID-19 cases and around 200 deaths. The protesters claim the internationally recognised GNA for the wide range of problems currently plaguing the country. They are alleged that the corruption and economic mismanagement are behind the country's current economic state. The ongoing war in the country posed the 2011 NATO invasion has led to a complete collapse of the administration in various parts of the country. Stoppage of production has led to oil shortages resulting in constant blackouts. The Sunday announcement of a mutual ceasefire between the two warring sites, GNA and the Libyan National Army or the LNA led by General Khalifa Haftar, did raise hopes of an end to the conflict and an eventual resolution. However, shortly after the announcement, Haftar rejected the ceasefire, labelling it, a marketing stunt tried to accuse the GNA and its allies, such as Turkey, of trying to buy time so that they could catch the LNA off-guard. Pakistan witnessed its latest incident of mining casualties in Sunday in an explosion in Khayber Pakhtunkhwa's Oregzai mine. At least three coal miners were killed while 11 others were injured. Recent times have seen an increase in the number of coal mining accidents in Pakistan. The mine lease owners, along with their relevant authorities, continue to pressurize thousands of vulnerable miners to work without taking proper safety measures. Miners also accused the coal mine owners for forcing them to work for over 10 hours a day without adequate safety gear. Locals in the Oregzai's Boya area, including human rights activists, blame the mine owner, the contractor and the managers for the incident, alleging that the mine was in a dilapidated state when the incident took place. Abidyaar the coal mine workers' right association's president confirmed that the injured 11 miners continued to remain in a critical situation. As many as 100,000 workers are employed in 400 coal mines in Pakistan, as per the union estimates. Coal mine workers' rights association noted that miners in Pakistan usually begin work at the age of 13. And by the age of 30, these coal miners are forced into unemployment due to chronic respiratory illnesses, tuberculosis, loss of eyesight and other injuries. In Cambodia, dozens of supporters of jail trade unionists, Rong Chun, are holding demonstrations demanding his release. The demonstrations were held in the capital Phnom Penh on Monday and Tuesday. Chun, a teacher and president of the Cambodian Confederation of Unions or the CCU, was arrested on July 31st for allegedly causing incitement over landloss of farmers in border demarcations between Cambodia and Vietnam. The demonstrations began on Monday when dozens of members of the CCU submitted letters to the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights or the OHCHR, Office Phnom Penh, calling for an intervention in his case, and the letter union members also called for an intervention on the crackdown of trade unionists and journalists by Cambodian authorities. Chun was arrested for organising demonstrations at the Cambodia-Vietnam border over a dispute on the demarcation lines. According to the CCU, many farmers in the bordering region of the Ban Khmer province have lost considerable lands after the border was demarcated in 2012 by the Government of Cambodia and Vietnam. Farmers have also complained that the Hun Sen government never paid heed to the grievances. M. Bunaretha, a member of the CCU, claimed that the demonstrations were not about the border demarcation but people's right to organise. In a statement to the media, he stated that the main purpose is to demand the release of Mr. Om Chun. What we are doing is based on the law and the fundamental rights that we have to peacefully assemble and what we are doing is not related to the border issue, as stated in some of the Hun Sen's message, he said. In Mali talks between the Ku leaders and West African mediators ended on Monday with no agreement on the transitional government, the country witnessed a military coup earlier this month which resulted in the arrest and resignation of Mali President Ibrahim Keeta. Ismail Wagh, the spokesman for Mali's National Committee for the Salvation of the People, told press conference that nothing has been decided with the Ecovast Mediation Team at no time there has been any talk of a government with a military majority. A CNSV representative later clarified that the Malians will take the final decision over who will rule the country through extensive consultation. The Ecovast delegation head, Goodluck Jonathan, stated that Keeta does not intend to return to power and that the former president wished for a quick transition to civilian rule. The country has been witnessing popular protests for the last two months against alleged corruption, presence of foreign troops and rising religious extremism. And this is all we have for this episode of The International Daily. Round up for more such stories and videos, visit our website, peoplesdispatch.org, subscribe to our YouTube channel and follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. Thank you for watching.


All right, so you are saying critique everything except dozer so impact Fall okay. No, all right. Let's check it out. I'm gonna go. I look at the dragon All right So dragon Cool, I like to do with the wings Watch out here If you look at the spacing, so I'm looking at that line here, so it's here down here Down here boom suddenly up to one frame Direction change that even if that has to happen somehow At least then your tip will be here a Fantastic drill look at this. It sucks You know even if this has so much force that it can change direction so quickly which at this size and scale I wouldn't Then I would at least have the tip really drag But the boom really drag and then go up there. That's cool. The hole is cool. It's cool Start offsetting wings. We need something here spacing is here here here boom up So another one frame pop it feels like it hits a wall So that sections there Same thing. Yeah, I just got to change the set of it. So my two big things would be This still feels the same in terms of the head going back Where it's like this and then it just goes back into something going straight versus, you know front view You're doing this versus potentially that like that's the arc like a stronger Stronger turn and twist in the head. So it feels a bit more forceful and a bit more complex It feels a bit simple. It feels a bit non-eventful, you know, it's cool though. I love all that. That's cool this feels Well, as you continue The thing is imagine the speed and you have to kind of look at your top view, right? So however, those are the dragon is What I recommend is look at your fly con whatever you have, right and then look at the spacing like what is going on and imagine It would not hit those are It will continue to fly this way and right now the feeling that I have is that you're doing, you know this this and this and then you're slowing down and You want to continue at that speed and the thing that's going to make this impactful is That the body and the feet and the legs everything right continues boom this way. So by now Change colors here By now, this is correct All right grabs a thing but your body would already be here and then potentially the Tail would be curved the legs one could be over here one bent here. You know me like this like a car crash where Where this whole backside continues boom and I see a little pop here. Watch out. It's basically why it's fine fine fine fine boom The little slowdown one frame pop Then it feels slow all this here is you're easing in and all that backside needs to continue He's the creatures only taking the head Right, and then if you look at spatially what the dragon is doing the dragon just staying put By now on this frame That dragon head would be already here With the body here, maybe legs could be here tail will be Awesome my drawing here, you know, it's some crazy wings But really want to feel that I'm going like this and then suddenly what the hell I'm being pulled The other way that makes sense, right? It's going this way and then suddenly a forest takes the head over that way And it needs to have that curvature And that's kind of missing so that that impact between two creatures is a bit too soft Especially here it feels like the creature's just holding on to the dragon and the dragon stays put versus dragon going this way Those are going this way and really making that Pull to the left work Visually then I'll probably do what you had before right a turn.  I don't know how many times but it was cool to do at least one turn Or at least when when it's here turn Enough that, you know, it's it's almost rolled over.  But if you turn if you just turn the head that feels weird imagine you're turning I'm acting it out I'm turning the head more And I have my left shoulder going up while my right shoulder dips down if I look to my left behind me So that would be something there Press is cool. The mechanics are cool. No, that's not. It's just this little polish And then when it shoots, what is it doing? It shoots behind him like at that point would be cool to do a little bit of a I wish I could draw Eyes, it's the mouth Does this looks like nothing it just has a little bit of I mean it impacts right behind the creature, right? Boom If you're just gonna like yeah, whatever and then This just feels like a very interesting slides to the right And you want to show that it it wants to go over this way, right? So you want to have a little bit of a same thing tilt down This way with the body, right? So shoulder bit lower here the head can turn in a wide bit this way in and also tilt over So just kind of leaning basically you want to have a little bit of lean over there Body wise this just feels like it has a global translate You know and also what's weird is that if I look at this Foot is here both feet are there. So this feels like it's actually pointing Out this way and it should be the opposite as you're turning this way.  It's not a small creature. It's not super cartoony. So this feels like a pop You want to instead of these frames up here You want to use these frames already go down and lead the whole thing with the head down So it's it's less of a that but it's already going down into this You have a bit more anticipation in the head brings down the body softer, you know direction change here And then that's cool Here there's a slight feeling of instead of doing this There's a slight feeling of this That it loses that momentum to the right and suddenly goes up too much It's like a one two frame thing And then the biggest thing is here This feels like you're going up boom and then it pops to the right You can see that if you track its man boobs here. It doesn't quite feel like it's doing this it's going Switch up for that That's cool Actually just saw you sent me that before for your reference, but I just recently saw Cat doing exactly that jumping over That that and then on the back wall to the side wall and then down and over is a crazy nice Like of action there That's cool. I love the timing on this And this maybe that could be two frames slower your swing on the legs Because you can see that leg is also here here this guy Here and it's the same height Right, so your arc on the paw on a feet is doing this instead of that But it's very close And then you'll be there, you know a bit of a work on that connection as I said before Cool Oh, I like the slide Nice and it bites something off there. Oh, that's awesome Yeah, see that's so cool So it's not just the whole creature sliding back, but does that little head turn so it continues its action Oh, it's so cool. I love it Watch out that it feels like it's slow And then accelerates to the slide and then slow again So watch out for that and then by the way, thanks for putting in The rocks so we can see what is going on So and let me know This is all translates. I mean all rotation. There's no translate I'm just curious because I'm looking at this rock here. This feels like almost we're translating back while we also rotate Just let me know Yeah, that's the only thing Suddenly it feels like it's not sliding to the right and then here it starts to slide and it stops anything you can do Imagine like it hits And does like a bounce slide You know where it's that impact slide versus now it feels bum nothing suddenly slide and stop Happy picky I would say if you look at this foot and the knee the way it's pointing From here To here it feels like it's pointing the same direction we'll probably Rotate this foot out and why The toes are going out this way and this upper part goes down in and the knees at the end pointing towards us a bit more Not much, but just you get away from that feeling of this feels like a this section feels like a 2d card Translating over despite the you know stretching, which is cool Like see what you're doing here that Going over and that knee going up I would do that throughout here throughout that slide And then I would make that up here Which out it seems like you're overextending these arms to almost pop into an IK job but I would Go here hold this for maybe two three frames You know and then use those and then take those two three frames out of here So it's a bit snappier so you go here hold and then Versus All right, that's it very cool update. 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If there's one thing that proves that the DNC media has politicized this virus outbreak, it's the introduction of race into the narrative.  If the virus hates black people, well then that must mean that white people are somehow to blame. Over a deadspin, which is a left-wing sports news outlet, self-hating white guy Chuck Mottie claims that the protesters are illegally protesting and are somehow discredited because they're supposedly mostly white. As if being white somehow discredits the protest. This is a tactic that I've seen being used since at least the Obama administration, where the mostly white phrase was used regularly to discredit and attack the Tea Party protests. Aren't a lot of African-American men at these events. Have you ever felt uncomfortable? No. No. These are my people. Americans.   On the article, white wingers can hold up upside-down flags, break the law, and endanger lives but get viewed as patriots. When black people peacefully and legally protest, they are unpatriotic, subversive sons of bitches. And this double standard has long preceded Donald Trump. The article goes on, but this quote sums it up nicely. White working protesters bad, super-rich, lying, victimized ass-ats good. The main thing I want to address here is his claims that these protesters are somehow breaking the law or endangering lives. I reached out to Mr. Modiano to find out why he's accusing these people of breaking the law when there's no evidence they have, but he hasn't responded yet. I will say, though, he has responded to other questions I've asked him. I never once heard anybody accuse people going to the grocery store of endangering lives. And come to think of it, I'm not a scientist or a doctor, but I'm pretty sure that being in an enclosed space with 100 people is a hell of a lot more dangerous than being around 100 people in an open-air area. These people are defending the Constitution and their livelihoods. So yes, they are patriots. Kaepernick, on the other hand, is a washed-up millionaire who spreads misinformation with a highly publicized protest with the full backing of the mass media in Hollywood. Who then claim anybody who criticizes Kaepernick is a racist. Nobody in the media ever questions Kaepernick's claims, even though they're highly dubious and in most cases utter fabrications. I mean, what I said was I agree with the investment in education. I also agree with the investment in free universal health care, as well as the involvement in helping end apartheid in South Africa. Double standards, indeed. And what does being white have to do with anything? So what if the majority of protesters are white? The United States is a majority white, so it stands to reason that any protest is going to be a majority white. Well, that is except for BLM, where a majority of the protesters are black, but I've never heard anybody in the media suggest that movement is discredited because they're mostly black. The women's marches were mostly white, but of course, not a problem when you're white and pushing the left's agenda. I don't want to spend a bunch of time on this point because I've spent a lot of time in the past talking about it, but the media has been discrediting opposition protests as mostly white since at least the Obama years. Another tactic is to paint the protest as being small and not representative of the majority of the country. For example, this taxpayer-funded piece of propaganda from NPR, where they claim the rallies are sparsely attended, which flies in the face of reality when you do even the slightest bit of digging. One thing's for sure, they're definitely inspiring some murderous hatred in their base. Take this article claiming that the protests aren't grassroots, thereby discrediting them. Of course, Democrat protests and rallies are also organized by these same kind of groups. The women's march, for example, anything but grassroots, but fully supported and promoted by the same people criticizing the anti-lockdown protesters. Once again, a standard only used against their opposition. That's not what particularly interests me about this article. What interests me are the comments which range from insane to violently insane. People protesting for our constitutional rights and the ability to feed their families, bringing the military and gun them all down. Since these people are putting society at large in jeopardy by exposing themselves and anyone with whom they come into contact to the virus, and since some of these idiots see fit to block ambulances from getting to the hospitals, I say, get out the National Guard and have every last protester shot to death. These nitwits have no right to put others in jeopardy. We are in a national emergency and the authorities have to clamp down on such dangerous displays as ruthlessly as possible. I'm not gonna excuse anybody blocking an ambulance, but as we all know, blocking traffic is a staple of left-wing protests. CNN has even outstaging fake protests by nurses and blocking traffic.  Glad I got this, a stage. Folks, I understand this is just some guy on the internet, but he's getting a lot of support from other users and get a load of this guy who comes in as the voice of reason. Quote, I don't think they should be shot for the moment. This is America. There are remnants of the rule of law. I do think they should be put in jail until trial. If they die of COVID while waiting on trial, I would not be sad. They are a danger and do need to be locked up until this is over. Are we really to believe these sociopaths aren't going to the grocery store to feed themselves, thereby endangering lives? Of course they are, but as we all know, it's different when they do it. The truth is, comments sections are toxic no matter where you go, but the sentiment I see being expressed in this one are becoming more and more mainstream. The only reason these people want to mass murder their fellow Americans is because they disagree with them politically. The coronavirus just gives them the rationalization that they need. Mark my words, this won't end well if we stay on this current path and I don't see us coming off this current path. That's all I have for this episode. Please hit that like button, share and subscribe. If you want to support this channel, you can do so on one of these platforms. You can find all the links in the description and pinned comment. Thanks for watching, keep coming back.


When was the last time that you thought about attraction? Was it an hour ago? Five minutes? 10 seconds? It's likely that other people are thinking about it as much as you are. Here are seven psychological things we do that make us less attractive. 1. Acting cool and distant While procrastination might feel good, it isn't attractive. In 1992, two psychologists named Morlin and Beach were curious about the relationship between how many times you see someone and how attractive you find them. They had four women pretend to be students in a large intro psych class. At the end of the semester, students in the class were asked to rate how attractive they found each of the women. What the researchers found was that the fewer classes a woman attended, the less attractive they were rated by other students. The other students basically forgot about her. I'll try and remember this study the next time I have to psych myself up to go to class. 2. Acting clingy It's the classic young love phenomenon, constantly hanging out together. Three social psychologists from the University of California, San Diego, conducted a study on the relationship between people's physical proximity and how much they like each other. The researchers made a surprising discovery. They asked students to name who they liked and disliked. The researchers found that the students most like people were those who they frequently met face to face. But the researchers also found that the students least favorite people were those with whom they were forced to spend time. In other words, watch out that spending time with your crush doesn't end up with you getting on their nerves. 3.  Psychologists Curtis and Miller randomly paired participants. One student in the pair was led to believe that their partner either liked or disliked them. Those who thought they were liked were nicer and their partners ended up liking them more. The researchers concluded that so-called reciprocal liking is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If your partner thinks you like them, they'll be nicer to you, which in turn makes the whole relationship better. And the opposite is also true. If they think that you don't like them, they'll be meaner and the whole relationship will suffer. Turns out that Grandma was onto something. 4. Revealing too much too soon In 2011, researchers told female undergrads that their Facebook profiles had been viewed by male students and that they would now be viewing the profiles of those guys. You can probably imagine that the women were intrigued. The women were split into groups and were told either that he liked their profile or that the researchers didn't know whether he liked their profile. The women were most attracted to the men who didn't reveal whether they liked the women. Why? The researchers decided that the more the women pondered the mysterious man, the more he was on their mind and the more intrigued they became. Austin Powers' nickname was actually pretty honest. The magical man of mystery does get the dates. 5. Going on boring dates Two psychologists in Vancouver, Canada, did a study on misattribution of arousal, which is when people make mistaken inferences about what is causing them to feel the way they do. They had an attractive female research assistant give male participants a questionnaire. In the first group, she asked them the questions while they were on a scary suspension bridge. In the second group, she asked them while on a low, small bridge. Those on the scary bridge were more excited because of the bridge and were more attracted to the research assistant and more likely to call her later. On your next date, don't just get coffee, that's boring. Instead, go see fireworks or ride go-karts. 6. Using cheesy pickup lines Psychologists who study attraction have identified three general strategies for pickup lines. Cute, flippant, for example, your place or mine. Inocuous, such as, what do you think of the music? And direct, as in, can I buy you lunch? A study asked men and women which pickup lines they prefer to receive. Most strategies work for men being approached by women. However, women tend to prefer innocuous and direct lines over cute, flippant ones. Bottom line, growners aren't attractive. So now you know. Asking someone, did it hurt when you fell from heaven? Is scientifically, the lame is possible thing to say. 7. Not having a wingman or wingwoman Some people treat dating like a competition, but did you also know that there's lots of room for cooperation among friends. Having a third party make the introduction may be the best strategy of all for guys trying to pick up women. Especially in today's dating world where there's more twist than ever, daters have to overcome many hurdles in order to catch someone's interest. Having someone make the introduction for you automatically moves you past the difficult first stage and it makes it clear that you're nice enough to have friends. Sorry James Bond, but in the real world, the best romancers work in pairs. In today's fast-paced dating world, people are quickly judged on first impressions. But don't worry, all you have to do is make sure you never do any of these seven unattractive things and you'll do fine. Although, bringing chocolates never hurts either.


for Hawaii State of Clean Energy. Our sponsor is the Hawaii Energy Policy Forum and the forum looks for good policy to advance Hawaii's energy policies. And also the sponsor, another sponsor is the Hawaii Natural Energy Institute. I should know that off my heart because it's my organization who actually provides funding to support the show. So today we're really lucky to have Bill Brooks who's the president of Energy Specialist Hawaii LLC. And we're gonna be talking about Nega Watts and insulation and the investments you can make so that you don't have to cool a room using very expensive electricity if you properly insulate it. So that's why we call it Nega Watts. So I first came across this at a visit up to Pu'uawa Ranch where I was visiting Paul Panthio at Blue Planet R&D. And he had a shipping container out in the yard.  There was no air conditioning at all. And I thought, wow, this is kind of neat. What's the secret here? And Paul told me all about this super insulating paint that he had applied to this container. It looked awesome and if you went out in the sunlight and touched it, it was like cool to the touch. So having my own shipping container full of equipment down at Nalhaw, I thought, ah, I've gotta have this. So I engaged Bill to coat our 40 foot shipping container with this product that he's gonna talk about. I'm not gonna steal his thunder. And lo and behold, it dropped the temperature by 15 to 20 degrees and actually made it livable. And we predict it's gonna reduce our air conditioning load and help our equipment survive in these harsh environments. So this is really good stuff and I wanted to share it with everybody out there. You know, when we go out and do our R&D and we find something that really works, it's good to pass the word along because that's what we do at universities. We find things that are good for the people, solves a problem. And the key is to get it out and we're getting it out to you on Think Tech Hawaii. So enough of me talking, Bill, please tell us all about your product. Be my pleasure.  This coating contains four different types of ceramics that are doing the trick. When you think of insulation, you think of the capacity like R factor. I get that question all the time. Well, what's the R factor? Well, there is no R factor. R factor is a capacity of an insulation to resist heat transfer to the inside of a building or whatever. Whereas with supertherm, it's basically blocking 95% of the solar gain. It never loads onto the surface. And that's why you can walk up and touch the side of the container when it's under full sun and it'll still be right at ambient temperature usually two to 10 degrees above, maybe but hardly noticeable to even feel. And that's a real brief scenario about supertherm. So, you just identified the name of the product, supertherm, and you talked about ceramic microbeads. I once became aware of coatings like this several years ago. I did my own test. I took a Coke can, which is about the thinnest aluminum that you'll ever find next to aluminum foil, and I coated it with a similar product. Maybe it was the same one because it was a few years ago. And then I poured boiling water into the can and I could actually pick up the can in my bare hand and not feel any heat coming through it. It was like, wow, this is really magic. So, I totally get it and everybody else has got to get it. So, Bill, tell us a little bit more about it. How do you apply it? What kind of conditions? Supertherm itself and the majority of the coatings that they manufacture and superior products in international is the actual manufacturer and the one that created all of these products. And they created actually, there's 26 individual products that they have now that are all specialty products that are high tech and nature and just through phenomenal things. The supertherm scenario is basically the key is blocking heat before it actually penetrates the building. And that's why you're experiencing the significant heat differences that you are is because the heat simply is not loading to the building. You have in some of the slides that I gave you, there's some description of that. It addresses the actual ceramics themselves. You have four different types of ceramics in supertherm. Three of them are blocking the individual solar radiation waves and are designed to match exactly those waves. And therefore blocking it that way. The fourth one is just so, how can I say? So, lower density that enables the supertherm to basically block any loading onto the building of the solar energy. So that's the key to it and how it works. So what kind of applications are there out there? Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, I was gonna say when you, if we can look at some of the slides and one of the, that first slide that I gave you on supertherm, no, that's me. The first one on supertherm. Can we get that up? Yes, that one there. Now that's a Nissan building in Japan. Japan, by the way, has, there's container loads of this stuff that has gone to Japan. They test it initially very thoroughly where it's impressed as you are. And if you look down at the other slides down below there, you'll see everything from, you know, storage vessels and transportation, refrigerator, transportation vessels of a ship and commercial buildings. The other one you see is a railing on Hoover Dam. When Hoover Dam, they put that bridge across there and they had this railing on there. Once they got the thing manufactured, the railing was at going up to, what was it, 146 to 148 degrees.  So they, so we can't have this. And so they installed supertherm, tested a lot of different products and ended up saying this was the best, put supertherm on there and were able to drop it down to 127 with an ambient temperature of 121. So it was basically just six degrees or so above ambient temperature, but enough to where people could, you know, rest on it and put their hands on it without hurting themselves. So what about putting it on roofs? Like, you know, if I have a house here in Hawaii and I have a flat roof or any kind of a roof, you know, having existing shingles, what's the deal and how long does it last? Well, the second slide I gave you, there's one of the reasons I put that second slide in there is because I thought it would be interesting to you to address that question. This is a commercial operation in Kansas in the vicinity of the manufacturers. One of the first things that they did with supertherm 40 years ago. They went back recently in July and tested everything. Initial DFT on it was like 15 mil. So it decreased in mil to 13, but the bottom line was that the efficiency of it, there was no signs of flaking or breakdown of the finish at all. And it continued to keep the building at just over, I think it was like 90 degrees above ambient. From 145, they tested the actual roof area where there was no supertherms 140, there's 145, and then they dropped it, we're able to drop that down to 98 for with supertherms. That's amazing. That's amazing and to be honest with you, when I first ran across this, I literally flew to Shawnee, Kansas, well, Kansas city and drove to Shawnee and to meet the manufacturer and to see everything and to learn about it. But the reason that they have been so successful with it, there's other ceramic products out there. They have literally tested 10,000 different ceramics and creating all the specialty products that they have. So that's how they have come up with something that works so well. And then they documented it with the department of energy and various other federal agencies and government agencies all around the world. So can you apply it over existing shingles? Or do I have to strip my shingles off and put a new, like? If you had a shingled roof, there's another base product that you would want to put on there initially, but then you would put supertherm over the top of that. And of course, they have the base product as well. But as far as you can put this on pretty much any type of material that you would think of in the way of roofing and siding materials, you know, wood, you could put it on wood, you could put it on asphalt roofs, you can put it on gravel, pitch and gravel roofs, you can put it on metal, of course, and various other, and the tiles, tile roofs. There's one slide in there that even shows you that the effectiveness of the various effects on various different roofs. That's one on just showing you the temperature differences that I was just going, go to the next slide. Yeah, this slide right here is addressing what I mentioned to you earlier, the difference between insulation and the R-factor scenario that R-factor is based on cornings, developed process for measuring the effectiveness of resisting heat transfer through a medium. Like whether it's fiberglass or foam or wool or whatever, but basically that's how that insulation works is it traps the heat as much as possible and reduces the transfer to the other site, doesn't eliminate it, just reduces it. And the important thing to understand about that kind of insulation, as soon as you compress it and shove it in between the rafters, you basically, as you compress it, you're reducing that R-factor, and not only that, but then you've got steel beams or wooden beams and what he had between each side that aren't covered at all. And that's why this product is so effective in making the reduction, even when you have some insulation in there already. So in addition to keeping the heat out, you're putting it on a roof. So what's its compatibility with water and rain and everything like that? That one slide that you saw there about the manufacturing plant there in Kansas, I mean, that's zero weather in the winter with blizzards and snow and freezing rains and what have you. And then in the summer it gets up to 100 degrees. So they have like one of the most challenging climates from that standpoint, that doesn't have a factor on it at all. Not only that, but an interesting thing to note is that even when it gets dirty, like from dust or pollen or what have you, it doesn't reduce the effectiveness of preventing it from loading heat. The other thing that's worth noting too is it's a moisture barrier. And at the same time, it's also a sound barrier. It actually helps reduce sound. So especially on a situation like you guys have here with your container, when you're inside that container will actually help reduce outside noise. And I forget the exact percentage, it's just not major, but it's definitely a factor. It also resists mold and mildew and stuff like that as well. Really, so can I just buy a bucket of this stuff and apply it myself? Or do I have to do a special operation technique? Yes, obviously you could buy it, but I mean, the manufacturer is very picky as Erin knows, before I created a contract with you guys, there was forms that I had to fill out, giving them the exact specifics on exactly what was going to be used for and the characteristics of that, because they wanna make sure that everything they sell is used properly. And so, yes, you can do it yourself, but and I can supply you with the various instructions so that you know how to do it properly. And that's the one thing that they wanna be confident of is anybody we sell it to, we wanna know that they are gonna use it properly, because that's, we know from experience that if it is done that way, we're gonna have the same results as you're having here at Mount Hall. So we got a pretty bad salt air environment here, where salt gets on everything and grows it. So as part of the process, what kind of prep was required and what is the correct process for putting this voting on? Well, one of the things when I got involved with this that I learned about that I had never even heard of was microsalts. The average contractor doesn't seem to even be familiar with it, but I've studied a lot about it because they insist on you knowing about it. The reason that before we coded the wash with a product called Chlorid, which actually eliminates all the, not only regular salt, but also eliminates the microsalts that are attached to the substrate. As a result, that's how you get, you know, a 30 year lifespan out of it. Okay. And so occasion, it can, doesn't have to be sprayed like we did with your container. It can be rolled and are brushed as well. So our fence that we just put up like about a year and a half ago, which is galvanized is already rusting. It's looking pretty bad. I'm not sure how long it's gonna last. So, tell us about. The first slide on rust grip and I'll show you how we're gonna make that last a lot longer than you thought. Rust grip is another product that they created. J.E., the manufacturer behind this, is one of those people just loves challenges. And everything, all these products that he's made, he's created versus where he went to the field and says, what's your challenge? What's your problem? And then he went into the lab and came up with a solution. Now, if you look at that slide on rust grip, you'll see that the oil rigs there was originally designed and most of their products were designed around the oil and petrochemical industry. And you can see the numerous applications of it there. Go to the next slide, please. This gives you a feel for it. Rust grip is a product that was designed to encapsulate rust and various other things as well. It also encapsulates, it's been EPA approved as an encapsulant for lead-based paints and for asbestos as well. And if you see in the photos there, you see all types of different surfaces in what heavy that it has been used on. Oil, the actual pipes that they use in the oil rigs and stuff like that, they use it on that because of their working in a salt, very salt environment. With your product out, with the fencing and what have you out here, we can use rust grip on that, right? And you don't have to take it down to white metal. In fact, you don't want to.  Rust grip penetrates through the rust and locks in to the substrate. And once it does that, the exterior finish over to 6,780 PSI potential strength. So it's got an extremely hard and durable finish. That keeps oxygen and moisture away from the substrate. And once you do that, rust cannot survive. It has to have moisture and oxygen. So that's why it's used as an encapsulant for rust. And it's also can be used as an encapsulant for lead-based paints. It's been proven in independent labs to penetrate through up to 18 layers of lead-based paint and still walk into the substrate and be functional. Thanks like that. What are- Go ahead. So what if I have some really hot pipes with very hot liquids running through them? Can I apply rust grip or super-therm or bowl? And how would I do that? In some cases, you might want to apply rust grip, especially if there has been a serious case of corrosion under the insulation. CUI is the term issues. For when you have pipes that have been insulated and especially with the jackets around them, you still have moisture and air penetration. And as a result, you often have oxidation, especially depending on the type of material that is there. If you have serious oxidation, then yes, we could use rust grip on it. But if it's not real serious, we can just go over it with the hot pipe coating. The hot pipe coating is another high-tech product that they've created. It also has numerous ceramic compounds in it. And it can be applied to a hot pipe. You don't have to shut down operation or anything. There's three different versions of it range, depending on the temperature range of what you're working with up to 350 is one. And then up to 500, and I'm talking Fahrenheit, up to 500 is another one. And then on up to I think it's 1112 degrees Fahrenheit is the HPCHT. All of these products can be used right on the pipe. You don't shut down anything. You just spray it on, apply it on. It could be rolled or whatever. And the advantage of it, especially if you pull up one of the slides there on the HPC that I gave you. Yes, you see how it's coating all kinds of different structures have you. And the advantage of that is that a lot of times like with valves and elbows and stuff like this is hard to get a good insulated factor on there even with the available insulation materials. Whereas with this, it makes no difference what the contour is. You can just spray it right onto it. While it's hot, it cured within minutes because it's cured by heat. And as a result, the temperature differentials are dramatic. I mean, dramatic. And if you go to the next slide that they have on that, I think there's an example of that. Yes, okay. So now here's an example and you see the upper left-hand corner, that's old conventional insulation, but even there it comes up to a fitting that is exposed. And you've got the problem of oxidation and what have you underneath it. But once you put the hot pipe coating on there, if you didn't have radical oxidation, you could just use that. And because it's gonna do the same thing as rust grip does, it's gonna isolate the pipe surface from oxygen and moisture. And as a result, you have incredible capacities to insulate that pipe, maintaining interior temperatures. And as a result of the higher you can keep that interior temperature up, then your pressures go up as well. And what have you is much more efficient from operation. Assuming you're working with hot materials, whether it's steam or other mediums that you benefit from being maintained from a temperature standpoint. So talk to us a little bit about environmental things like cleanup and the hot, you know, is it just, do you just wash it off with water or does it require a special chemical?  APC is water-based and so is a super therm. Rust grip is a kind of vein where it takes a little more procedure to clean up afterwards because of the metallic compounds in it and what have you, but we have that down and anybody that's gonna use it, you know, we'll show them exactly how to do it safely and carefully.  How does that work? Well, in fact, I'm even looking for contractors now that I can set up as dealers and what have you. And I definitely enter for the various islands. I just recently made a decision to get aggressive with this product line. I'll be doing a trade show on the March 11th and 12th, the Hawaii Building Facilities Property Management Expo at the Bayesdale. I'll be in booth 807 there and if you're listening to this and you wanna learn about all of these other products and what I'm getting into. But yes, I try, many years ago, I used to do all the labor and what have you myself, but over the years I've tried using more my brain than my hand business. That's always a good thing. There's always a very difficult, I applied some coating to a roof in the hot blazing sun. It took five days and I said, man, am I ever glad? I don't have to do this every day for a living. It was really brutal up there on that roof. So Bill, we're running down the clock here and so we have enough time for a little wrap up from you. Anything we didn't cover that you wanna make a point of and the last thing we wanna talk about is how do we contact you? Before we do that, just what have we not talked about? Well, I mentioned to you that there's 26 products that these guys have. There's, one of them is a line they call enamel grip. There's several different versions of that. One of the ones that kind of fascinates you like a, one of them is urethane, another one is high solids polyester scenario and they have one that's called enamel grip S-A-S. And it was developed, and let me tell you, J.E. loves to solve problems. So one of the Italian distributors was saying, guys, should we use an enamel grip? It's so beautiful and everything, but then the kids come along and tag the subway cars and you got all kind of photos of what a mess that made. And so J.E. created the enamel grip S-A-S and it's such a hard, smooth finish that when you put it on there, they can come along and tag it with anything they want and the service guide can turn around and wipe it off. That's a special thing that they have that just, you just wipe this stuff back off rather than having to repaint the place, whether it's a bridge or whatever it is that you're trying to eliminate the graffiti on. So with that work on concrete, you know how these little guys love to paint concrete? This also never was going to help with the graffiti on concrete. Yep, yes, it can be used on concrete and other services as well. The other one of the various ones that definitely has my attention because of what we do here in Hawaii, there's so much and especially for you guys out here at Melhau, it's called moist metal grip. And it's something that he created for people who have condensate, you know, pipes that are having condensation issues all the time or for one reason or another have water on them. And you can go over the surface that needs to be covered with this. It will penetrate through the water, lock into the substrate and give you a protective finish on a wet surface. We're running out of time, Bill. So let's just flash up Bill's contacts. So you know how to contact Bill when you watch this video again and please send it out to all your friends. You wanna save money and keep cool. This is a very cool product and it will save you a lot of money. So this is think tech Hawaii and Hawaii, the state of clean energy trying to save you money and keep you cool at the same time. Signing off and we'll be back next week. Thank you so much, Bill. It was great to hear about this super product. My pleasure, Mish. My pleasure. Come and see me at the trade show March 11th and 12th. Everybody's at 11th and 11th and 12th retail. We'll be there. Aloha. Sounds good, bro. Aloha.


at it should be noted that the person prosecuted is more likely than not to be the shop assistant who carries out the sale rather than the person who is perhaps taking the key decisions further up the chain of supply. The fact is that, in the circumstance that I described, the shopkeeper was well aware. It was under the counter. It was in a small packet. It was handed over in a certain way. The whole process was one of subterfuge and a knowledge that it was a so-called reform drug user who was buying it, so I think that he was well aware of what was happening. I wonder if the member would agree with me. Is it time that the Lord Advocate actually took a case and tried it? One minute or thereby, please. I welcome that intervention. Obviously, there are circumstances in which the common law can be used, but all I was highlighting is that there are circumstances in which its use would be more problematic. It is a question of a bit of both, I would suggest to the member. Presiding Officer, in conclusion, I welcome the recommendation by the expert review group that the definition of new psychiatric substances should be developed. It is clear that we do need consistency to be ensured across all areas, including research, academia, the NHS and government, etc. Common understanding is paramount. I also agree with the expert review group that consideration should be given as to whether the definition should be based on their chemical compound group or according to their effect, because we must be on the same page. I also welcome the work of the Scottish Government in engaging with the sector on information sharing and developing a common definition. The Scottish Government has been working hard on producing NPS guidance for trading standard staff, which we referred earlier on. Such guidance was published a couple of weeks ago. It is clearly crucial that people work on the same page. We referred also to the instances of the lack of recording of NPS use by Police Scotland and the Prison Service. Again, I would like to get to the point where that information is recorded. We also need to join up national approach with local authorities. Entertainment licences are one obvious step. Posler has a key role to play. In conclusion, I congratulate the expert group on their work done today. I rise to support the motion in the name of the minister, Paul Wheelhouse, and to commend the way in which Paul Wheelhouse, in his ministerial responsibilities, has taken the matter forward. It is essential that we recognise that we are dealing with something new, it is there in the definition, and it is something that we have much to learn about. As a father and a grandfather, it breaks my heart to what each generation, as it comes along, find its particular mind-influencing substance of choice and to see so many young people choose to infuse that substance into their body. We do so much in this Parliament in other areas to reduce the effects of those substances, whether it is alcohol or tobacco or any of the other things that have come along over the years. We see success in some of those statistics as we begin to win the battle and then something else appears. We have seen attempts over the years to bring forward new substances and we have regulated them. However, the onslaught of new and various substances that we face at the moment are raising us to a level of difficulty that I do not believe we have seen before. It has to be said that, seeing the statistics, the number of people involved in taking those substances and having themselves damaged or, on a few occasions, killed by them is still small and we still have a chance to work towards success. However, I believe that the way that the Government is tackling this and the way that it has taken the new psychoactive substances expert review group report to heart and attempted to implement it is a good way forward. However, we have to work at this in every level. It is the case that, all over Scotland, people, even in their own communities, are doing what they can to highlight the problems that exist. In our broth just under two years ago, I was called to a meeting with people at the award-winning our broth cafe project, which has done a great deal of good work with young people within that town. One of the so-called head shops had opened right across the road and, of course, parents were outraged by that. I would like to commend the action that was taken by parents, particularly by my good friend Derek Wan, who was instrumental in bringing that group together for the work that they did. However, I also have to commend the action of local police officers who had the courage to do what few have done in other places and that was to raid the shop and effectively close it down. That kind of action will do a great deal of good where it can be taken. However, as we have seen and heard during the course of the discussion today, it does not always happen. There is a lot of work being done within Scotland's local authorities. Problems that arose in Aberdeen were highlighted at Aberdeen City Council by my colleague councillor Ross Thompson, who has worked closely with me in my parliamentary role to try to highlight that problem as it exists in the north-east. Without the work of local individuals and active councillors in individual council areas, we would not be at the point today where there is the level of understanding that we have limited, though it is. Among the things that have been highlighted in this debate, there are some that we have heard before. The use of the term legal highs is one that we should discourage simply because a substance is not illegal and does not make it in any way harmless. We see exactly the opposite to be the case. We have to improve data sharing to ensure that everybody has the information that they need, whether it is in terms of policing or whether it is in terms of dealing with the health implications of the drugs that are now in the market. At the last meeting of the ministerial cross-party working group, it was a real eye opener, if you excuse that expression, to hear any practitioners, actual clinicians who had experience of dealing with cases within accident emergency units and explain how difficult it is to understand the problems that they are being faced with. They also were able to highlight the problems being experienced by police officers who are having to deal with people influenced by these substances and yet finding that the traditional way of dealing with someone who is abused alcohol or a more traditional drug is simply not the way to treat people on some of these substances. That inability to understand, to translate the needs of those who have used these substances and deal with them in a practical sense is one of the reasons why information and education are crucial throughout our process of dealing with this. Education for those who are likely to use the substances, education for those who will fall into their use, not understanding the damage they can do, but also educating those who will be confronted in some professional capacity by someone who is influenced by a substance which we have little or no information about. There was one disagreement during the course of this debate, which I think was highlighted by the positions taken by Richard Simpson and Christine Graham. Those views are not wildly different, but they expose two alternative approaches. The regulation approach put forward by Richard Simpson, the light-touch approach, perhaps if I can say that, contrasted with Christine Graham's view that we should take a more heavy-handed approach. I find it very hard to accept that we should not be prioritising the removal of these substances from our streets, but I also understand that if they are removed from our streets, we have not removed them from the hands of these young people who are using them. That is why I think that it is important that we also need to recognise, as has been said during the debate, that the countries in which those substances or the raw materials are being manufactured—China and India—also need to be involved at some level in what we are doing. I commend the work of the minister, Paul Wheelhouse, and I commend the way in which he has dealt with this, both in Parliament and dealing with the passage of legislation at Westminster. I think that we are doing this the right way, and let us continue to work together towards our joint aims. Many, many thanks. Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. This has been an interesting debate, albeit scheduled at very short notice due to the withdrawal of the inquiry into death bill, but it has been an opportunity to discuss the response to the expert review group and also the work so far of the cross-party working group on NPS and the developments at UK level since we last discussed the issue in February. Many members stress the importance of not using the term legal high because legal can be interpreted as being somehow okay and safe, but I think that John Finnie was right to stress that we need to use the language of the people involved, and there is no point in using terminology that we all understand if the people outside do not understand what we are talking about. The minister quoted from the UK Government's psychoactive substances bill and the offence that it introduces. The bill also excludes the legitimate substances such as food, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, for example, and controlled drugs, which are already regulated, and also excludes certain persons such as healthcare professionals who may use NPS legitimately during the course of their work. The definition of psychoactive substances is still up for discussion, and the Scottish Government is working with the UK Government and I think will be keeping the working group informed of progress on that. However, it is generally considered that although the UK bill will help to stop supply from head shops, other things such as internet supply, although covered by the bill, will be much more difficult to control, as will indeed identification of the laboratories that produce NPS, particularly when they are in China and the Far East. Nigel Donne said in his speech that he thought that that might help to stop first use of NPS. However, if somebody has already tried it and their friends who can get it on the internet, that will be more difficult to control. Richard Simpson made an important comparison with Ireland, where legislation that has been passed some years ago but not really has been assessed, but the use of NPS is still going on. Head shops are not there but the use is still going on, and Alison MacKinnon has also highlighted reservations about the definitions in the bill. I found the one meeting of the working group that I attended, which was just a couple of weeks ago, extremely interesting. It concentrated on the medical and forensic implications of NPS. We heard from Dr Richard Stevenson, an emergency consultant of Glasgow Royal Infirmary on the history of the discovery of various psychoactive substances, and his very graphic account of the symptoms presented in his department, the sort of things that his staff were seeing. He dispelled any illusions that many of those substances are anything other than very dangerous, taking the wrong sorts of dosages that can cause serious psychological damage, psychotic behaviour, very elevated temperature. There are no treatments. There is no equivalent of Naxalone, for example, which counteracts the effects of a heroin overdose, because Naxalone goes into the receptors and kicks out the heroin so that it can get it out of your system. There is nothing that we know of at the moment that can do that for the NPS. The sufferer basically has to be administered a general anaesthetic while attempts are made to reduce their body temperature. He also described how people took cocktails, for example people taking NPS with alcohol, in the hope that they could drink more, so they are also getting the effects of very serious alcohol consumption as well. Dr Hazel Torrance of Glasgow University's Forensic Toxicology department describes some of the screening tests that are currently available, but even where screening tests are available for these uncontrolled drugs, they are not included in the drug-related statistics. Barry James from Police Scotland's Forensic Department, I think that Graham Day referred to this and described how psychoactive substances can be detected in the laboratory using mass spectrometry and more recently in nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy. I was a bit concerned, however, to learn from him that the NMR machine that they have, a very large, expensive piece of kit, is there but unfortunately is not being used because of the lack of trained personnel. I have also heard that apparently there is quite a backlog of specimens awaiting analysis at the forensic department. Many of the techniques used to determine the structure and function of these very large and complex molecules are very specialised, but it struck me that there is a lot of expertise in our academic institutions, not just in Scotland but across the UK and across the world, because this is a global problem. NPS acts by attachment to receptors in the brain, and how they do so is very complicated, but comparisons of the chemical structures of substances, which exhibit similar effects, could lead to a better understanding of which functional groups and the shapes of molecules can interact with the brain in this way. I feel that there must be other spectroscopic techniques that could assist. I wonder to what extent chemists and biochemists in academic laboratories are being encouraged to undertake research on those topics. I think that there is a lot of expertise out there, and if we understand the functioning of those better, we would not only be better able to detect what might be psychoactive and get a better handle on that, but we might also be able to create substances that could work like Naxalone and kick things out of the receptors. It is very complete serendipity, but the cross-party on science and technology is meeting with the Medical Research Council tonight. It is giving us a presentation on the value and impact of medical research in Scotland. The MRC is one of the major funders of scientific research in Scotland and across the UK, so I hope that I will get the opportunity to raise the issue of whether or not there is biochemical research into NPS and their functionality and detection being done in our academic institutions, because if there is not, that is an area that could well be funded helpfully. Graham Pearson mentioned the issue of trading standards. We spoke about that at Topical Questions today. There are problems in trading standards, not just in Scotland, but in England the situation is even worse. Trading standards are going to have to be resourced and, quite possibly, restructured in order to be able to undertake those additional responsibilities. I wonder if the Scottish Government is aware of any financial resource attached to the UK Government's bill that would enable trading standards departments to carry out this additional and extremely important work, because I think that there should be. Many colleagues talked about the need for education. Richard Simpson said that people have always sought substance which causes a high. That is true, that that has always been the case, whether it is alcohol or whether it is illegal substances. We need to appreciate that and understand that. Finally, I was interested in the contribution of both Margaret Mitchell and Christine Graham, as to whether prosecution could take place under common law as culpable and reckless conduct. In that case, Christine Graham reminded us that it was 20 or 30 years ago. It was gluesmithing that was the problem that we were worried about, so we are moving on from that. Is there an opportunity there? I think that there are a number of issues where there may be opportunities for further discussion and further in different fields. There is a capability of further discussion that might lead us further forward in the fight against these substances. I am very grateful for the opportunity to reflect on today's debate this afternoon, as I alluded to in my opening comments. I have not been disappointed by the quality and collaborative contributions from members across the political divide. If I may say so, I think that today's debate shows our Parliament an extremely good light in taking what is a very serious issue in a matter that is bipartisan and with appropriate forethought—very well thought through speeches, by all concern. I am very grateful to the parties across the chamber for their support for the Government's work. I am looking forward to working with them in due course as we go forward. I particularly thank Alex Johnson and Alex McKinnon for very kind remarks about myself. Members have reflected on a number of areas today, and I will try to do justice to them. There are a few areas of public policy that perhaps bring us together in the way that the NPS has done today. Members have reflected on the devastation that these substances can cause, indeed, and the shock that we sometimes experience in terms of the effects that they have. Graham Day, Alex Johnson, Lane Murray and Alison McKinnon picked up on a very specific point that was raised at the ministerial working group. Members have reflected on a number of constituency issues where that is a serious cause for concern for parents. I was particularly struck by the examples given by Margaret Mitchell, John Jamie Donnelly and David Lewis and Christine Grahame's constituency. The tragic loss of young lice really brings it to a focus. At a local level, I picked up the point that Sarah Boyack made that we need to have a balance between national and local approaches. I will touch on the resourcing issue that has been raised by a number of members in a second. However, it has been reflected that the NPS is not just the drug of choice of rebellious young people, far from it. It is naturally that perhaps people will be drawn to risky behaviour, but the NPS is being used by older and more established drug users. When I visited the crew, I heard that very experienced drug users are often terrified by the impact that it has had on them. They have been used to taking a perhaps similar volume of an illicit drug, taking the NPS equivalent and finding it far stronger than they had expected, and the medical effects are quite pronounced. I think that the challenge of the response is going to have to reflect the complexity of the issue. Despite our desires, politicians define quick fixes and easy solutions, but we all know that there is not one in that case. Even bringing the NPS under legal control will not be the full answer. Elaine Murray reflected that and Dr Richard Simpson reflected on that. I have to acknowledge the points that were made. Even if I do not agree with everything that was said, I acknowledge the spirit of what Dr Simpson was saying about the need to look to control sales that go into the dark internet and other options as well. Graham Pearson was the first to pick up on the injecting trend. That is something that we are worried about in certain locations. He is right to raise that, and Graham Pearson and other members refer to polydrug use. That is clearly a fact that we have to take into consideration in combination with whether alcohol or other illicit drugs and NPS is posing a real risk to people. We need to make them aware of the risks through education. Margaret Mitchell referred to dosage variability and the availability of drugs or NPS being a key consideration locally and nationally. Kevin Stewart quite rightly referred to the criticisms of using legal highs as a terminology and the difficulty, I suppose, in finding an alternative that works for the young people that we are trying to engage with and in terms that they understand and also not give false legitimacy to the use of NPS. Dr Simpson, apart from raising the issue of the dark side websites, pointed out very fairly that people are engaging effectively in phase 1 trials of substances. We have no idea what impact they are going to have on them, and that is clearly a message that we have to get out there. Turning to trading standards, just to point out, I appreciate the wider picture of trading standards that may have been debated today, and I did not hear the responses to that, but just to point out that we have provided some funding, I appreciate limited, but some funding to trading standards Scotland in assisting and implementation of the guidance that we have launched a couple of weeks ago. We do recognise the pressures on trading standards, and this funding will assist in gathering a local picture in each authority on NPS availability and the number of head shops. The funding will also be used to help to fund forensic identification, where that is necessary to identify the substances being sold. It is modest and is in the region of £30,000, but hopefully it will help to address a specific issue. Kevin Stewart also referred to the NPS expert review group and the potential for using a licensing approach similar to New Zealand. The expert review group concluded that there was a real risk that it was doing, so having looked at the New Zealand example, the licensing and sale of NPS would be seen as a way of endorsing the products and confirming their safe use, hence the approach that we have taken. However, I think that he very fairly went on to talk about the need to do more in terms of looking at the role of education and, indeed, just to confirm the next theme to be discussed by the NPS ministerial cross-party working group will be around education and I would like to take the point of guidance for schools to this meeting to pick up on the point that he referred to. Graham Day talked very fairly about tailoring the messages for user groups and understanding the different motivations for purchasing by different groups. I think that the research that we have commissioned will help us to understand better the nature of the demand from different groups, whether it is older users or younger users and hopefully help those involved in the advisory scene to help to tailor the messages and, obviously, the work that we are doing with Education Scotland can pick up on that as well. Alison McInnes—I am sorry, I do not have time, Ms Graham, but I will come on to the point that you have raised, I can assure you. In terms of displacement risk, Alison McInnes referred to that and it is a very important point. We do have to understand the longer-term issues, are largely unknown as well, that is a fair point that Ms McInnes made, and the manifestations of poisoning and the identification of mental health risks are also very well made points. In terms of the police and crown use of the common law, the point that Christine Graham raised, just to assure Christine Graham and other members that police and partners are committed to tackling NPS and using the powers available to them, including culpable and reckless behaviour, until the new legislation comes into effect in April 2016. There are a number of cases pending, and those are with the procreative fiscal. I do appreciate that there is a lot of interest in the chamber in seeing whether those are successful, and clearly we have to judge the independence of the Lord Advocate and the Crown in taking forward cases, but I will make the chamber's views known to Lord Advocate in due course. Sarah Boyack also mentioned, as did Richard Simpson, the Wedinoss project in Wales. I hope that members are reassured that that is featured in the consultation that we have launched recently to look at how we can share information across the UK, and we have been studying the work of the Welsh Government in relation to the Wedinoss project to learn any lessons there. I can reassure him on that. Nigel Don mentioned the forfer petition, and it shows people power having an impact in forfer. As he rightly said, there are still head shops within the near vicinity, so the problem has not been solved. I recognise and welcome the contribution that Alex Johnson and Nigel Don drew attention to of the local community, taking this issue, grabbing it by the horns and tackling it. John Finnie talked about education. I very much agree with him about the importance of education in this whole debate. I think that he referred to having an message around don't do it and why don't do it to sort of look at the reasons why people shouldn't do it. I will go further than that. The young people in Saturday were saying, and it's potentially controversial, but if you are going to do it, be aware of the risks in doing it. We have to listen to the messages that will resonate with them and tailor the message for that audience. A different message might work for an older audience, but I take his point on board. Roger Campbell referred to the importance of education and the impossibility of telling the contents. He is absolutely right in a product. We have to get that message across so that people buying something that looks quasi-legitimate in a packet may not be safe. The variability of the product between one packet and another, even where the branding is the same, can be very significant and therefore they may accidentally overdose. I would like to reiterate my personal thanks to all the members across the chamber for their support in this debate and their support in the work of the cross-party ministerial group that I am leading. I look forward to continuing the engagement with members across the chamber and working with the Home Office to deliver the legislation at UK level. That concludes the debate on progress and implementing recommendations of the expert review group and new psychoactive substances. We now move on to the next item of business, which is decision time. There are two questions to be put as a result of today's business. The first question is at motion number 14375, in the name of Stuart Stevenson. On the interests of members of the Scottish Parliament amendment bill, be agreed to. Are we all agreed? The motion is therefore agreed to. The next question is at motion number 14403, in the name of Paul Wheelhouse. On the progress on implementing recommendations of the expert review group and new psychoactive substances, be agreed to. Are we all agreed? The motion is therefore agreed to. That concludes decision time. We are now moving to members' business. Members who will leave the chamber should do so quickly and quietly.


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