Greetings, friends! Welcome to CTUCC Conference Cast for December 5, 2013, the regular podcast of the Connecticut Conference of the United Church of Christ. Whoever you are, and wherever you may be on life's journey at this very moment, you are welcome here. This past Sunday marked the beginning of the New Year in the Church's calendar, which begins with the first Sunday in Advent, the season in which we anticipate the celebration of Jesus on Christmas. We offer you our best wishes for a year filled with growth and joy. We begin this week's conference cast with this meditation from Cecile Gilson, a commissioned minister of the UCC and the assistant to the conference minister. This image, found in the 11th chapter of Isaiah, may sound familiar to you. The wolf shall live with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the kid, the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them. On that day the root of Jesse shall stand as a signal to the peoples, the nations shall inquire of him, and his dwelling shall be glorious. Peace, that elusive reality which all of us yearn to experience. Peace in our souls, peace in our community, peace in our country, peace in our world. The vision of the peaceable kingdom from Isaiah is often held up as the model for peace. The image of the wolf and lamb appears on Christmas cards and in Advent materials. Little children lead the procession in art, in film and in our worship experiences. We celebrate the birth of Jesus as the root from Jesse that comes to bring peace. One image is missing from all of the above, a picture or mirror image of ourselves. Peace begins with the acceptance of who we are as children of God and with our acceptance of our role in the world. Once we recognize our gifts and skills, we can begin the work of bringing peace in whatever way we are able. Jesus challenges us to live as He lived, to love as He loved, and to work for peace for all. During this time of Advent it is right to remember our call from God. It is right to celebrate the gifts God has given through us. Here is a prayer for this week. Forgive us, God, when we live our lives within the lines, when we say this is the shape of our work, this is the boundary of our habitation, these are the limits to our love, these are the lines of our vision, these and none other. Draw us beyond our patterns into yours, shifting, moving, curving, spiraling, many-colored, ever-changing, stretching, pushing, challenging, renaming, unsettling, disturbing, casting forth and welcoming home. Amen. The prayer for this week is used by permission of United Church Press. It is found in Night Visions, Searching the Shadows of Advent and Christmas. Copyright 1998 by Jan L. Richardson. In the news this week. On November 14th the full conference staff completed a first round of training in racial bias awareness and cultural sensitivity, part of the sacred conversations on race ministry. This initial training program seeks to foster discernment around language, policies and behaviors that may inhibit, diminish, or invalidate the contributions or participation of any ethnic or racial group. Maureen Service workshops lie ahead for the staff and our newly hired coordinator for the Sacred Conversations Ministry, the Reverend Dominique Atchison, will be recruiting and training conversation facilitators for local programs in our churches in the months ahead. The Asylum Hill Congregational Church UCC in Hartford partnered with Hartford Seminary this fall to create Interfaith University, intended to help members explore what it means to be Christian in a multi-faith world. In this first year participants learned about Islam in a four-week series on Muslim faith, life, and experience. They have created a program on the Bible and the Quran, which they have opened to the public and which will be held at the end of January. The Westfield Congregational Church UCC in Danielson is a lovely 19th century structure, and when he first arrived there not quite two years ago, past to the Reverend Jonathan Chapman thought it looked just like Christmas. And so for the second year, the Church is offering a series of Victorian Christmas services on the Sunday evenings of December, filling those who attend with a special dose of holiday spirit. On December 15th, before the service, the Church will host a Victorian Christmas Feast, including traditional treats such as gingerbread and sugar plums. But this season also means that the first anniversary of the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown is upon us. As officials released reports and recordings this week, the Connecticut Conference offered reflective resources and a prayer. Those preparing to remember the events can find those materials on our website, and we will offer the prayer in next week's Conference Cast. For all the current headlines, and if you haven't yet had a chance to check out our Making of Conference Cast video, then make sure to visit us at ctucc.org slash news. And we're very pleased to welcome Conference Archivist John Van Epps to the studio today for another Touchstone with History. In our Conference Minister Kenselotti's presentations around our conference this fall, he has talked about the challenges of local autonomy and the need for experimentation and cooperative efforts. This is at the heart of our heritage in Connecticut. The Sabrec platform of 1708 provided for a closer cooperation among our churches than that of the Cambridge platform in Massachusetts. Indeed, the Sabrec platform was called semi-presbyterian because of the consociations with authority and oversight over the churches. Yet this stronger communion of churches may well have been instrumental in our state taking the lead in the formation of many of the cooperative missionary ventures in our nation's history. In Alexis de Tuckville's classic work Democracy in America, he said that a basic vitality of our country was the formation of voluntary associations. We've always done it that way. Our Missionary Society of Connecticut is the oldest in our country formed in 1798 to bring the gospel to the frontier lands in Vermont, Ohio, and beyond. Connecticut ministers joined with those from Massachusetts in 1812 to form the American Board of Commissioners for Foreign Missions, which for over 200 years has sent thousands of missionaries to foreign lands. The Connecticut Bible Society and various temperance organizations were formed in the early 1800s to meet those needs. The pastor of Litchfield, Lyman Beecher, issued the challenge to, quote, raise up the waste places of Connecticut. From that arose the Connecticut Domestic Missionary Society to raise funds and leadership for churches and communities. This effort eventually morphed into the American Home Missionary Society. The American Missionary Association was formed in 1846 with the leadership of James Pennington, pastor of what is now Faith Church in Hartford. This voluntary association raised funds for schools and colleges to educate blacks in the South. In addition to all these efforts, there were also the area and association benevolent societies to raise monies and engage in actions for wider missions. All of these voluntary associations emerged and were active before there was even a Connecticut Conference, which was organized in 1867. In the latter half of the 1800s, several area and city missionary societies were formed to minister to the newly arrived immigrants in our state and the needs of our cities. Perhaps most notable was in Hartford, which is now the Christian Activities Council. Such groups were active in ministering to the needs of Germans, Italians, Swedes and other ethnic groups in our cities. So this is just a brief survey of how our churches working together in voluntary associations have been a source of vitality and mission over the years. Please remember the Friends of the Conference annual appeal, which helps supplement the annual giving through local churches for ministries within the state. Help to local churches in the search for new pastoral leadership. Help finding resources for educational programs through the Ruth Dudley Resource Center. Answers to questions that require a specialist's expertise. And of course the profound experience of Christian community offered at Silver Lake Conference Center. Help support and extend these ministries to churches and people here in Connecticut. Make your gift securely online at ctucc.org slash donate. The Middlesex Chapter of Give Squared will hold a service event in Hartford tomorrow, December 6th, and the Christmas at Silver Lake Retreats run this weekend. Yale Law School Professor Hope Metcalf and National Religious Coalition Against Torture Policy Director Matt Hawthorne are the featured presenters at Ending U.S. Sponsored Torture Forever to be held December 11th in New Haven. On December 12th, Newtown Congregational Church UCC pastor the Reverend Matt Kreben will be among those participating in a vigil for all victims of gun violence being held at the National Cathedral in Washington D.C. The last of this year's conversations with the conference minister will be held on December 12th in New Haven. In the new year, Stepping Stones returns on January 14th with Pass Them the Football, the Care and Support of Volunteers in the Southington. Hartford Seminary and Asylum Hill Congregational Church offer the Bible and the Quran on January 29th in Hartford. Comfort food for the journey to a day retreat for clergy women will be February 4th in Hartford. And mark your calendars on the 1st of March now because that will be super Saturday, a day of workshops, fellowship and celebration for church members and leaders. We're holding this in concert with the Massachusetts Conference this year and we'll be gathering in Ludlow, Massachusetts. You can always learn more about what's coming up in the Connecticut Conference by visiting us at ctucc.org slash events. And that brings this conference cast to a close. Thanks to Cecile Gilson for her reflection and to GarageBand for our music. Primary funding for conference cast comes from your congregation's gifts to our church's wider mission, basic support, changing lives to the United Church of Christ. This is Eric Anderson, the Minister of Communications and Technology for the Connecticut Conference of the United Church of Christ, praying that your days this week may be filled with the presence, the guidance and the grace of God.


my name is Cheryl blessing and you are watching the power talk show we're coming to you live from Nairobi Kenya and I hope you've enjoyed your day this is the very last day of November and as we're getting into December and wrapping up the year I want us to discuss second chances we all want second chances ever add something that you want to pursue for your career and even in our personal lives there is something that we always wish we had a second chance at and I want us to discuss this with an agency that has created that opportunity for the youth and particularly in the pageantry industry so joining me this evening is Dr. Samson Misango who is the CEO of a second option agency Karibu Sanadaktari. Thank you for your kind introduction. Yes you're welcome and right next to Dr. Rhee we have the very lovely Miss second option Africa Wanji Olasa Karibu Wanji. Thank you so much. It's such a pleasure to have both of you in studio so as you've heard he runs the agency second option which basically gives the youth second chances at pursuing their dreams and focusing on their talents especially in the modeling of the pageantry industry because as we all know so many people pursue this and in the past we've had some very strict qualifications now the world is expanding and new and more agencies are coming up to redefine what the pageantry industry means so I want you to go to our social media platforms which is at Y254 we've posed a question for you we want to rewrite destiny how are you rewriting your destiny and if you had a second chance at anything today what would you do with it so talk to me on our platforms at Y254 that is on Facebook Twitter and Instagram and I'll sample some of your comments as we progress with the show so I think to kick start the conversation I want to understand what in particular made you Dr. Samson want to start this agency because you focused on second chances and giving people an opportunity to pursue their talents and develop new skills what inspired the idea behind it that's a good place to start from I am a doctor by profession a surgeon actually with a medical center called MESU medical surgery and neurology center right here in Nairobi and among one of them the ideals behind this medical center our mission basically is to be able to to combine what you call social responsibility okay corporate social responsibility called ACSR that basically touches on disadvantaged people, plants, the environment and basically just being a responsible human being and in line with that initially I used to do a lot of community service that was giving medical services to people outside them but this was so cliche everybody's doing it politicians are doing it and one day there's this young person who had finished school who came and was looking for a job and I knew her past life in college she was a model and I asked her you are a very good model why don't you do modeling you instead of looking for a job and she said the modeling industry is wicked so I asked what do you mean she said it's very exploitative nobody really wants to make you advance they all want to take advantage of you I said oh that's a sad story what if with your experience you have an agency which basically does things differently from how it was done for you she said having an agency costs money and right there I saw a CSR so I told her why don't you run an agency I'll sponsor it make it be done in a different way from how you'd have wanted it done okay and that's how it be done the agency and we said you're going to give it a name because we are giving people second chances okay we're giving we're calling second option because according to her and the story which was there all the modeling agencies that she knows in other words the first options which are available are all basically lost so I said we are going to present ourselves as the second option which will do differently to redefine the modeling industry and that is how we defined our mission and our vision because we we basically want to identify these people who are talented but they have a story which basically has made them basically either stop in what it is they're doing and we calling them disadvantage not because there are many physical disabilities or others but because they have been exploited and they are neglected and nobody talks about them so he said we will give you that second chance in the entertainment industry give you a platform to do things that entertain others and you get rewarded as you do what it is you are doing okay and that's why we call it second option agency and right below there we call it grab that chance because when you're given a an opportunity you're saying it embracing second chance as you're calling it grab that chance yeah so that's how I found myself in this industry of the modeling world I was an outsider I mean I was a sponsor operating from behind and these ones who are running it so how did I get myself into the front line now that's where the story changes are beta because we had I don't want to know maybe what here exactly did you start I began this in 2018 we register the agency on 10th of May 2018 okay after having had a discussion for about three months and looking at what would be best what would best capture our logo what would best capture our motto what would best capture the name so this was something very authentic very generic okay we didn't go to somewhere on some social media or some G for to Google which name should we use it came we developed our mission generically and our vision okay so we want to be that beacon of hope to people okay going forward anybody looking around we'll see this glamorous people outside and want to know what's their story and then they get to hear the story from each of these different people and when you are training the first modus used to recruit in that year 2018 we should subject them to interviews okay wanted people who have a story somebody would come and say I have been selling this I've come from broken homes so everybody had a very powerful story before we recruited not just about money okay then we had our first page in in the year 2018 which we called face of second option agency and during that year of course we had only female models who are there contesting I even remember we had our first pageant in a club called Avenida because that was the easiest way to organize a pageant okay with the drunkards shouting and screaming okay but it worked and the male models for that year we actually had to give them an incentive to turn up because we had no pageantry yes okay because it was it was an unknown phenomena for many the modeling industry they were just there to here and there so the these managers that had tuned up with for that years the one who made me open the agency they taught me some they did some character development for me okay because you know I was outsider looking insider and I trusted them with everything but they exploited our models the same people who wanted to do things differently they took money from the models they never registered them they took them for some jobs somewhere where I never had no idea because what we thought was we would be giving them 80 percent from any job they get we remain 20 percent but they would be going around so it was a bit disappointing and I I nearly shut down the agency in that after that pageant of 2018 because it didn't look worth it so I actually closed the agency in December and said this is not my thing I thought I was trying to build people but these are actually people who are just there but in towards the end of January the models who were in the agency they began looking for me and asking me now you promised us we are going to be a different agency we believed you you you've had a problem but now we feel like orphans what do you do because you've left it yeah and that touched me I said okay I will get another manager I think she came in 20 in 2019 around February she had no information on modeling I just said just manage these people okay because they're with us but I'll be a bit more involved so we went through she we because normally in our program as an agency we conduct trainings every two weeks okay because you said you are going to give models who have registered something of value not just to come and go for pageant or just a pretty face somewhere want to teach you values so we would have training every two weeks would arrange for photo shoots every every two months during those days for the ones who registered we would try and send you for activations among some of my friends companies we just go and do something get paid some pocket money and we would give you a chance to participate in our end-of-the-year pageant but during the year they it is to develop your character to build you as a model with a purpose and the thing which we have been very very very very much strongly on as an agency is CSR so we used to do once a month and we have a community project as an agency we go we will tell the modest identify in the regions where they come from a child who is needy in a public school who requires school uniform so we'll mobilize ourselves I would have a budget every month we go to a particular house we donate we get uniforms for that child in a public school we give the family some refreshments some meal and just have a sometime with them so we would call we used to call it a touch one child at a time in a public school so that was our campaign for the all of that year that's 2019 and I feel like maybe we can talk more on that and especially this processes that you're talking about we can dive deeper in that as a progress and I love the fact that you've really mentioned so many things that have personally touched me the fact that you're in a very different field you're a surgeon in the medical industry and you've gone into a whole new scope of industry because you want to help people you're driven by the fact that you're compassionate and you want to give people the opportunity and the second option name I like that because you know every other person will go to the maybe the most famous most popular agency and they may not really take care of their needs in the best way possible so I want to touch on that as we progress and maybe some of the things that you've mentioned especially with the developing the skills and the talent and getting people with a story those are some of the points that I've really loved so maybe we can talk to the crowned winner of this year Ms. Swanjee so you there was a pageant in Eldore on 11th November and you won that pageantry I know you're so happy about that you're so pleased so I just want to ask you how did you get here maybe you can tell us your story briefly how you got to even pick second option why you felt like it was the best option for you and why you stuck with them to where you are right now so the journey of the conduction began in May but before that I used to be a student at the Technical University of Paya Pasurian Journalism and Media Center I wanted to be you basically and I studied for three years after which I realized I don't really I'm not well I was into it but I was kind of not loving it at the time so I decided to quit I feel like I'm sorry that sounds very interesting so I feel I've been told your mic has a slight issue so I want us to fix that because I want us to get this story right it's someone who's come from a diverse field as well and gone into something completely different so I want us to fix that and then we can continue with that so meanwhile we can talk about some of you've talked about the process you faced challenges and obviously it's been a journey it's been a whole journey yes and the fact that you were inspired from just being a sponsor behind the scenes to actively taking part in the process let's talk about that how do you vet people and how do you ensure the manager that you put in place in 2019 how are you sure that this manager was now capable of handling the needs of the the models and really carrying forward your vision effectively how have you done the vetting process good there's just one comment you made about the name and how people perceive the name there are many people who come from marketing and tell me oh doctor is this name second option it can't sell people will not people aren't the best people do not want to hear about you know what people normally say and people don't want to hear about the second they want the first is your name this brand but I say no our identity is in the name the name is not supposed to be for publicity for whatever we believe it represents something very deep for us so I don't care what the market has said it is that interest that you have why second option it's a philosophy that you have correct okay so uh yes we believe in actually having structures in the agency because since I began going into that modeling world I began meeting with friends who have been in the modeling world and I would ask them what motivates you to actually go and contest a page enter and when you win what do you do with that crown they say oh it gives me a chance to now go I feel good I can dress and I can go and feel good but I say no but what do you represent there must be something that you represent for that year of your reign and they say no it's an opportunity to make money and I like that because you see you're being realistic most people want it for the aesthetics yeah I just want to like personally I was just telling her earlier I love the crown and I would love to just participate for the crown but it's very important for you to stand for something because you're representing a whole generation you're representing a whole agency and there are people who are looking up to you so I feel like before we continue her mic has been fixed so she can tell us her story you were just telling us you were a mass communication student at technical university how did you make that move I I got lucky enough to do this job when I was in school I got a chance to work in an online media type of thing and I worked for some time I got a chance in some small radio well I quitted the job this interviewing job and I got another chance to do some radio presenting and I also didn't love it so I was like well then why am I studying journalism to be a journalist but I don't like the job so I decided to just quit or not go to school just because I didn't feel aligned and that is when I reached out to Dr Misango and after some time I mean we started like hanging out and after some time he introduced me to the agency he told me he has this agency and he thinks I fit for it and to be honest I told him no way I'm not doing I'm not doing the runway stuff because I'm an online girl I love social media and I've seen so much stuff with the models people are people asking you are you a model for some favors sexual favors you know and sir him telling me that he wanted me to be a model I'm like no I'm not doing it after some time he managed he told me the same story he told me this is what I stand for and this is what we're doing the agency and I was like well let me give it a try because after all I'm just at home I'm 19 years so I'm just like chilling and that is when I the auditions were going on at the time so it was I think in Eldorette and in May I remember May the 13th it was supposed to be Nairobi auditions and best believe I had started training two weeks before that I didn't know anything about modeling I didn't even have a heel I didn't even know the right heel to use and I coached I mean I had some trainers for the two weeks I trained and I went for the audition I chose to go to Nairobi I mean I knew there are some other counties which were a bit not so hard to win but Nairobi is the most competitive county and I chose it intentionally to be honest with you but he also pushed me he also pushed me because it was hard imagine being being a new person and trying to pursue this new thing not knowing anything and you're going to audition of course you're like I might fail and I'm scared of failure and people that's a very valid fear the fear of failure so many people miss out on opportunities because they're so afraid but I like the fact that you're saying he pushed you because sometimes we do not see our potential and people around us can see what we have the capability of doing and the fact that he went to somewhere that's challenging with zero experience that's another thing that I find interesting about your story because most people will go to maybe Mandara and decide you know if they're going to be five people and they're picking three at least I can imagine number three so that is also very inspiring so what happened after you went for the auditions in Nairobi how many people were there first of all probably like more than 30 and um I my my walk was terrible at the time it was terrible but at least I'm confident that was one at least because like I can answer questions and that is what made me pass the audition I was in position four and I was so I was so proud of myself Christ because like everyone else has been doing when they were being asked questions everyone is saying I've done modeling for five years I'm here done it for two weeks and I'm passed the audition of like Christ what is happening and um after that now it's online challenges because now we had been the first five in Nairobi well every county we had to do online challenges which were three different things well there were all videos but the no the first two are videos the last one was voting wep will have to vote for you the first two were not so hard for me because it's just like being on camera and talking yeah it was not so hard but now the voting one wep will have to vote for you well let me not lie it was not so hard clearly you're popular you have the numbers that you've been on social media so it's very easy for you to engage with the the masses and just activate them to support you but I understand it was a challenge for you know the other contestants because one vote is 10 shillings and people are there with 2000 votes you're having a hundred it was it was a bit challenging so I managed to be position one in that um online thing online voting and I got a sponsorship to the bootcamp so position one the girl and the position one the male we got sponsorships and actually won't believe where they were okay never mind where the people who won say the thing is it's crazy because they ask who got the sponsorship myself and another guy where they were the ones who won oh yeah you'll get his story anyways I like this I like this so it was you really worked for it yeah from the very get go it wasn't the like a last minute thing when going to November 11th and then that's when you're popping out you had to start from May onwards you are actively working and trying to pursue this so we are past now the online challenge thing I know now I have two more tasks the bootcamp and the runway the main day and um in the event was in November so around September mid-September I decided to work on winning because now I wanted to win at the time because now now I'm in position I'm in position one and I remember okay there was a group chat where people the contestants were talking and I remember telling them how people well this is not how I phrased it but it was something to do with um position one last year had the highest votes and they told me that doesn't mean this year because you're gonna have the highest votes you're gonna win and it it went through my heart I was like y'all you think so and now I decided to work on mid-September I started going to the gym every single day and training every day I was training every day and gymming every day so like a bit like five hours of my day were dedicated to this thing and I did it became better and better I became like proud of myself every day and now we went to the bootcamp but I had done lots of research lots of research I knew what to do in the bootcamp what not to do and now it came to was it 5th 5th of November we went to Eldoret and now the bootcamp had started I knew you have to be disciplined you have to keep time you have to be at your best you know and uh yeah I was doing good at the gym because I was training so I was so happy because I felt like my my training that you know the things I was doing before the event were coming to how do I phrase it like they were they were changing and transforming you and they're aiding the entire process it's not just like aiding the process that's the thing and so I was I think I was doing okay in the bootcamp keeping time if it's presenting I'm presenting like I'm here you have to listen and basically just being at your best because now it's a camp you being awarded you don't even know the judges first of all you want to like look at you want befriend anyone oh it's just like do your best you don't know who's judging you I like that I really I feel like personally I want to join the agency because just aside from the pageantry you learn discipline you're learning skills you're being motivated and another thing I've taken from that your haters will push you like someone can say something thinking they're breaking you down but they're motivating you so I'm really inspired by that I want to read some comments from Facebook then we can take a short break and come back and continue with this conversation I'm very fascinated by all the things that you're saying so this is from Facebook we have Dondada who says Niko Insana and Julius Murege who says he's tuned in thank you guys for watching us it's very lovely for all of you to tune in I want you to ask questions I want you to ask our winner and the director if you if you may be curious about you want to model you want to be a pageant winner one time what questions do you have you can write even if it's a comment an opinion share that with us on our social media platform I want us to go on a very short break but we're talking about rewriting destinies and embracing second chances so stay tuned to Y254 TV I am Sherri Lee blessing and this is the part of show


Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now? Not audible? Yes, sir, I can hear you. Okay, great. But people are still writing in the chat box that's not audible. That will be there. Audible. Okay, great. Okay. All right. So, and you can also see my screen, right? So welcome everyone to the first live session of symmetry and group theory course. And I will be waiting for your questions so that we can start the discussion here. So please start shooting your questions. So I hope you guys are having fun with the course. So as you see that it is basically visualizing the symmetry of the molecules. Then in the later part of the course, we will see how to group those molecules based on symmetry. And finally, we'll see how to apply those that grouping to solve some physical chemistry problems. So so far, it's only looking at symmetry of molecules and how to arrange those molecules or how to group those molecules in symmetry. So please start asking questions so that we can make good use of the session. So this is a doubt clearing session. So unless you have any questions, I won't be able to. This is not a teaching session. Okay. So first question is, can you please discuss hydrogen atom symmetry on the basis of group theory. So, when you talk about atoms. So this is a spherically symmetric molecule, right? So this is a spherically symmetric atom, I would say. So in this case, the point group, we have not. So this course does not cover the molecules containing spherical atoms. So hydrogen atom, that's why we will we have not discussed and will not be discussing but just to tell you it belongs to our three point group, which is a spherically symmetric and it has all this is a maximum symmetric point group and it has all the symmetry elements, which you can imagine, right? So it is, of course, because it's a spherically symmetric thing. So you can imagine all sorts of planes, I or all sorts of rotation, everything is possible in this. So it's the highest symmetric point group, which is our three. But we will not be discussing because it doesn't concern us as far as the physical properties of the molecules are concerned. We will give a, we'll talk about it briefly when we will talk the MO theory at that time or maybe crystal field theory. So at that time, we will discuss it briefly, but not a lot. Excuse me, sir. So C2 and CN. So what is the difference you want to ask, right? Between C2 and CN. So this question is by Navdeep Sharma. So C2 and CN. So C2 is, for example, if you have C2, so the rotation here is pi 2 pi by the order of the principal axis, which is two here. So this is 180 degree. And CN is any general principal, any general rotation axis where the rotation is given by 2 pi by N. So this is the rotation angle. So CN is a general rotation axis and C2 is a specific rotation axis where the rotation angle is defined. In CN, the rotation angle is not defined. I hope it makes sense. So again, monster group will not be, will be out of scope of this symmetry and group theory course. So let us not go there. Because then I'll have to introduce a lot of other things to do. So Saurav is asking is the CH4 has eye center. No, CH4 does not have eye center. So CH4 is drawn like this. This is your CH4. So if it has to have eye center, let us assume that it has an eye at carbon. So if you draw a line from this hydrogen atom towards carbon and then you draw, extend that line, it should find another hydrogen atom, which it does not. So no center of symmetry in CH4. Does that make sense? Any other doubt? So I see in the discussion forum, you guys are having a lot of questions and if something is not clear, we can discuss here. I have tried to answer most of the questions there, but if there is anything which is not still not clear, we can discuss over here. So group multiplication. So what do you, can you please be specific about what do you want to ask about group multiplication? Okay. So I can tell a little bit what I understand from that question. So, so let us say if I have C2 v point group if we are talking about and the point, the symmetry elements or the symmetry operations are C2, sigma v1 and sigma v2. Or we can write in terms of x's also. So we can write instead of this, we can say this will be xz and yz, right? So similarly here if we write C2z, sigma vxz, sigma vyz, then you take this element and take this element and write it here. Okay. Similarly here, e comes from here C2z comes from here. So this is how you write the group multiplication table. Okay.  So for that, what you have to do is for example, if I write this element, this will be C2z and sigma vxz. So let us take the example of water molecule. So in this, if you apply sigma xz first, so whatever comes, you write that and then on to this, you apply C2z. Okay. And then whatever is the resultant, you write that. Now from here to here, which symmetry operation will directly give you this confirmation that comes as a result of this multiplication. Okay. So that is what is meant by group multiplication table. So you have to fill in all the spots here by doing these operations. I hope this is what you were asking. And so for net exam, Cotton and Carter are two books which generally cover most of the stuff which is asked in net. But I'm not sure because I have not looked at the net question paper for last few years. So what is the trend now but course wise, Cotton and Carter would cover most of the stuff. So relation between a Lie group and a Lie algebra. So again, this is going into mathematics. So we'll not, this is out of the course scope of this course. So we will not be going in that direction. Symmetry element present in distorted octahedron in which three cis angle cis 90 degrees were closed. Okay. So for books, it is Cotton and second book is by Carter. Okay. So distorted octahedron in which three cis 90 degree angles were closed. So let us try to see what you're saying. So if I have a distorted, if I have a regular octahedron, I can draw it like this where the atoms are at this axis and the central atom is here. Now these, these are the three cis angles between x, y and z, which are otherwise 90 degree in a regular octahedron. So this is a regular octahedron. Now if we distort this by bringing these two, these three angles closer, so that means x, y and z would behave something like this. So if I'm looking from the side, it looks something like this, right. So I have over exaggerated this closing. So let's say this is x, y and z. Similarly, the other side of this will be minus x, minus y, minus z. Okay. Right. So now if you see what will be the, this will be like a staggered ethane molecule. So I hope you can find out what is the point group of this now, right. We have discussed staggered ethane molecule in this. Let me know if that is clear. So thank you, Brian. So this course is about the application of symmetry and group theory to solving physical chemistry problems. Okay. So this is not mathematically very rigorous in the sense that we will not be using all the properties of group theory. We'll be using only selected properties of group theory which are, which are relevant in terms of solving physical chemistry problems. I hope that helps. Any more doubts? Any questions? Sure. You're welcome. So physical significance of subgroups will come at a later stage when we will, when we will see the correlation tables. So we will see that later. Actually, right now you are at only fourth or fifth week, right. So we will see that towards eighth or ninth week, it will come. So thank you, honey, but this is online course, black board teaching and due to Corona virus. The physical teaching is not possible. So that's why it is writing on electronic media. So I'm sorry if that is not giving you the feeling. So this is first time I'm doing electronic board teaching. So maybe, but I hope the content is okay and engaging. So I hope you all have gone through the videos which are, which have been broadcasted till now. So please ask questions overlap with condensed matter solid state physics. No Brian, there would not be any overlap with condensed matter or solid state physics. Because we are only discussing here discrete group theory and that too very limited with which is applicable for chemical applications in particular physical chemistry. So solid state physics will not be overlapping with this. Any more doubts? You probably can see the desktop itself because I have not put up anything on the screen as of now. That's why I will you can't see the screen because there is no question. So I'm looking at the chat window right now so that I can answer if there are any questions. No roman tensors in this course. No, Shahid, we will not be discussing roman tensors here. So formal name of the courses symmetry and group theory. Any more doubts. So next interaction session will be next month. So please raise if you have any doubts. Shivani we started around 20 minutes back. But you may ask if you have any doubts. So applications of group theory are discussed later in the later part of this course. So we will be discussing will be covering in the later video. So right now it's only the symmetry part which is going on where the how to find out symmetry apply symmetry elements and symmetry operations and grouping molecules based on that is going on this week. So later part of this course will cover hybridization application of group theory. So let us keep that question for maybe second interaction session next month. So shake the books I have mentioned earlier are cotton and another book is by Carter. If you just search group theory cotton group theory Carter you will see all the details of this. These two books. Doubts please. Any more questions. That should work. So the difference between different books is that sometimes the how they put the or how they orient the molecule in the coordinate system is can be a little different and how the how they rotate molecules in different symmetry operations can also be different. Some books follow clockwise some books follow anti clockwise but but if you are following one book for a particular problem it should not be an issue. Yes, I'm sure NPTEL office will provide you the recording. So less number of questions means the teaching is going very good. Right.  Actually there can be two things either it is going very good or it is going all in the air. So no more doubts. So it says 49 people watching right now. And there is no doubt. Right. No, this is just to thank you Brian so I'm just making sure that there is no hesitation in asking questions. Please do not be inhibited for asking questions. As long as it is relevant for this course I will answer those questions. The question is specifically for solving doubts. So please do not be inhibited please do ask doubts if you have. So no doubts it seems. Okay. So that means all the students are learning very nicely and I'm teaching very nicely. Both of this. All right so if there are no questions so please do post on the discussion forum if there are any questions and I will answer there and then we will have an again this interaction session next month. So if you can pile up all your questions we can discuss unless you want to clarify it in the forum. We can discuss here. All right. So if there are no questions, probably we can stop. Thank you sir I will stop the live now. Thanks for the session. Was great interacting with all of you.