the open at the bottom you will see yes no it's because it tells me if someone else is sharing the screen I can't share mine oh thank you okay it would be so is it working yep yes okay it's okay and then I can stop thank you and Teresa hi hello do you want to try to test your sure sharing okay yeah that's okay yes yes you're fine yes great thank you thank you and Irina I know you're still struggling with your background but maybe the background will not work but I will okay do you want to do you want to okay start sharing your screen yep okay that's okay yeah thank you and now we're missing only I think everyone has tested largely also Lina hasn't yes Lina Lina's yes sorry I'm sorry no problem just a moment okay that's okay thank you thank you hey check I'll be running in the order that's on the program yes first Teresa then Irina Eleni Makri Anna and Irina Lina Zen Allen and Lottie at the end okay on the grid okay thank you we still we still have some minutes so we'll wait thank you all for being here you're welcome yeah we thank you all wait just a couple minutes why and a little for the ones who are joining us so we still have five minutes until the time to start this session hello everyone can I share my screen I'm sorry yes hear me yeah yes yes I can hear you thank you of course let me stop sharing and then you can start sorry Anna because I I thought that everyone has already tested so I'm sorry I never mind now I just don't think that's okay yes that's okay yes that's nice thank you thank you so much Anna hi good afternoon to you all who want to are joining us welcome to this fourth day of the open science fair let's wait a few more ready 28 Andre can you recall how many are registered I know around 100 okay so you can wait a few one or two minutes if you all agree you can wait if one or two minutes after the time okay thank you bye hello and welcome we're just about to start I'm just starting with the housekeeping rules and after that maybe you will start for making the announcement of all the speakers so I think I can start so hello and good afternoon hello to everyone and welcome to this fourth day of the open science fair conference I hope you have enjoyed all these days very busy days and today this is a parallel session so this let me talk session a and then I'm just going to pass some slides that maybe you have all all of you have seen this through these days just some housekeeping rules for us to to be on the on the same page when when having this type of session so if you want to present yourself or address some question to the speakers please use the chat to do so or if you want to ask the right question to a speaker please at the end of the session raise your hand or open your microphone and speak directly to the to the speaker so this session will be recorded and we kindly ask you all that during the presentations you have your microphone muted and of course all the presentations and recordings will be available in Zenodo and in YouTube channel the recordings also and in also in Zenodo for social media please use the hashtag always fair 2021 or if you want to identify the the open science fair twitter account please do so and identify as you know your posts and just a kind remark and remind for the open science fair code of conduct that is available in our website the website of the conference and we kindly ask you all to have a look now I think we can start so we will have six presentations and we kindly ask all the speakers to to be strict with the time for each presentation you will have seven minutes and the last minute I will open the microphone and just give a short warning to that we are closing to the end or one minute to to to finish your time so the the first presentation will be will be five data stewards per hundred researchers the development of a post-graduate certificate data steward at the University of Vienna presented by Teresa Calova and after that Irina Dimitro will present open science related transferable skills for early career researchers and then Eleni Macri will present a presentation about an engaged research approach to design an open online course in open science and open innovation for early career researchers and then we'll have Irina who will have Anna I'm sorry we'll have Anna and Irina presenting a building capacity for open science through training for institutional repositories and then Ellen Claire and Lina's best practice for online training and the last but not the least Lothi Pravost will present triple training activities on open science and EOSC so I hope you all enjoy this session and with no further delay I will pass the floor to Teresa Calova to start your presentation thank you all for being here so Teresa the floor is yours thank you thank you pal we'll just try to share my screen um so work can everyone see the slides okay thank you thank you hello everyone my name is Teresa Calova and I'm a project manager in the project fear data Austria at the Vienna University Library and today I want to talk to you about something quite exciting that we've been working on for the past six months and that is the certificate course data steward so today we will have a look at some of the typical tasks of data stewards and the competencies they need in order to perform these tasks and then I will give you some information on regarding the certificate course that we are planning so why do we need education or a dedicated course for data stewards I'm fairly certain that everyone here today is familiar with this quote by Barron Mons that we will need to educate about 500 thousand data stewards in the EU alone in order to support researchers with the growing demand of data intensive research data stewards can support researchers in various ways but the most typical tasks of data stewards are providing support services and designing those services helping researchers handling their data and designing rdm strategies also developing various workflows and policies for institutional rdm they also have a sort of bridging role in that they translate the needs and requirements of researchers to the service to the services to the support services to the IT infrastructure they also develop and deliver training and usually they are quite active in various national and international networks regarding data management so in order to perform these tasks they need various competencies so you can see it's this is just a summary of some of the skills and competencies that data stewards need in order to be successful in their role they need a lot of knowledge and professional competence expertise in regarding rdm data security long-term preservation but also methodological competence and potencies that are needed such as curiosity creativity and empathy as well as willingness to learn new things so the certificate course data steward that we are developing focuses largely on the professional competence and partly also the methodological competence so the vnna university library has been offering another certificate course which is called the data librarian specifically teaching rdm basics to librarians but as the role of data steward requires further knowledge and further skills we have decided to expand the curriculum of the certificate course and also expand the target groups so we have largely been working with the results of the project fair data austria where data stewardship is one of the main topics and also similar further education programs to develop a new curriculum and a part-time training course which can be used to upscale existing staff but also to prepare new stuff for the challenging new roles of data stewards so this is our timeline as i've mentioned we have been working on the preliminary curriculum for the past six months we have also conducted several feedback rounds with experts for data stewardship and rdm training in the form of workshops but also written feedback the plan is now to choose a scientific director for the course and start the formal accreditation process at the university which we will hopefully complete in the winter months so that we can start contacting potential lecturers and trainers and together with them further develop the curriculum so that we can offer the course for the first time next year so the plan is for the course to take two semesters and it is a combination of online and contact classes as well as self-study and the participants will finish the course with a certificate from the University of Vienna which is equivalent to 12 credit points the number of participants will most likely be limited to around 20 people sorry uh so as i said we want to expand the target group of the course so we want to invite researchers phd students but also research support staff from various departments such as it or the library to take part in the course and we when it comes to the prerequisites we want wanted to be as open as possible so that anyone from somebody who has a master's degree as well as a completed apprenticeship together with relevant work experience can take part in the course so um so that we can really um so that various experiences are are kind of mirrored in the course and we can bring together an interesting group of participants so this is the way we want them are planning to build the course that has four modules they are all obligatory modules first two are introductory courses uh on the one hand for uh it's an introduction to rdm data stewardship and open knowledge topics one minute and uh thank you and on the other hand there's the basics of it and data science so these basic uh these basic knowledge and skills will then be further uh delved into detail in module three with uh fair data and the research data lifecycle and um all the knowledge that the participants will acquire through the first three modules will be put into data stewardship practice in module four so uh as I mentioned our next steps are choosing a scientific director completing the formal accreditation process choosing potential lecturers and trainers and together with them further developing and finishing the curriculum so that we can have uh the first round of the course next year so that's uh everything from me for now thank you so much for listening and I'm excited to answer your questions later and please do get in touch thank you thank you so much Teresa and just on time um so any questions you have to address to Teresa please leave them in the chat or comments and uh Teresa will try to answer them or at the end if we still have time we we open uh do openly and exchange opinions and comments if we still have some minutes so thank you and now I pass the floor to Irina Dimitru so Irina you can start sharing a screen thank you hi um hello thank you Paola and Andre I'm Irina and I am here on behalf of a team from URODOC and I will be talking about our work on open science skills for early career researchers so I'll start by introducing URODOC and then by introducing our previous work on transferable skills in general before I go to open science skills and our findings so URODOC as you may know is the European Council of Doctoral Candidates and Junior Researchers it's a federation of national associations of early career researchers from European countries and it's non-profit and volunteer and based in Brussels you can find out more about who you represent and what you do at the website just here and URODOC is actively working to facilitate transition to open science by helping to bring together policymakers and researchers and these efforts take place at all levels of the organization but there is an entirely dedicated working group on open science of which me and some of the other people working on this topic are part of and URODOC also runs a program for open science ambassadors so the open science working group aims to raise awareness about open science initiatives among early career researchers to elaborate recommendations for universities and other institutions and to advocate for changes in research assessment such that they align to the principle of open science and the ambassador course that I mentioned is a course designed to train the researchers in key topics in open science with the goal of them being acting as ambassadors for open science in their own networks and it was initially aimed for the members of the national associations that are part of URODOC but now it's open to everyone interested researchers, policymakers etc so I promise I will tell you about transferable skills first they are becoming a very important topic in the discussion around doctoral training and other training for junior researchers and in recent year it's been recognized that early career researchers face a diverse employment landscape on one side academia cannot offer enough permanent positions for all PhD holders and on the other side skills and competences that are developed through research in academia become increasingly valuable in other sectors such as the private sector or public administration so it means that early career researchers must be capable of easily applying the transferable skills that they have acquired in their training as researchers and they also must be able to make a case that they have acquired these skills so URODOC recognized this paradigmatic shift and in 2018 created a report on transferable skills for early career researchers which produced this matrix of skills organized in nine categories I'm only showing this here don't try to read it to show how many and varied the skills identified in 2018 were and the goal of that research was primarily to help early career researchers with assessing their own skills and then advocating or making a case to employers that they have these skills but it fit into a greater paradigm of skill assessment which is becoming increasingly important and there were 66 skills identified in this report and organized in these nine categories and we could tell even back then that open open science in particular give rise to a specific set of skills so we decided to work specifically on open science and open science skills and we see our workers fitting into a larger picture competences which is the first key step for the european commission towards addressing precarity and reducing brain drain so we see our work contributing towards this the method that we chose for looking for open science skills because we had to look for them from scratch to some extent was that we took two courses the foster a course and the open science mock course and we looked at their learning outcomes and extracted skills from them which we then organized in accordance with we used the definition of skills that we have used in the earlier report as well and we extracted skills from these two courses and organized them and these two courses were chosen because of urodox previous involvement with them urodox was involved as a beta tester in these courses and furthermore the foster course is part of the training for open science ambassadors in urodox so it is familiar to everyone we five of us worked on this extraction of skills independently and then we compared and refined and corrected our list of skills we then organized the skills according to esco and i will make a brief detour to introduce the esco classification of skills and this has three pillars occupations qualifications skills and competences and furthermore within skills we distinguish between knowledge and skills but we are interested in what esco calls general skills one minute which are this eight i will not read them out but is to give you a flavor of the scope and the skills that we have identified fit within this first five categories the skills that we identified as coming from open science fit within this first five categories and we identified 48 skills we i gave here just a small sample so you see this is the course managing and sharing research data we find the skill writing a data management plan and then we see where it fits in the esco classification organizing planning and scheduling work and activities is one of the the skills that um our conclusion was that the skills that we have found from open science contribute are another strong argument in favor of introducing open science training and the fact that we can map the skills easily to the esco definition of skills means that they will be intelligible to potential employers or to actors outside of academia and they would also be that will make it easy for the early career researchers themselves to talk about their skills and here we have some future plans we'll revise our report according to a new classification that esco is introducing this year and we also intend to recommend open science courses to encourage open science training into the activity of institutions um this is what you have been working for and this is what our plans are thank you very much for your attention and thank you to the organizers thank you thank you no thank you so much Irina now we pass on to Eleni Makri um Eleni an engaged research approach to design and open online course in open science and open innovation for early career researchers so thank you all uh oh let me first kindly ask you whether you are able to i've shared my screen whether you are able to see my yes yes yes okay thank you so uh thank you all um on behalf of uh opening doors if you funded program and the swaths grant agreements launched in February 2021 and pleased to present a national of our engaged research approach to design an open online educational course in open science and open innovation for early career researchers our project is led by Denise McGrath assistant professor at university college tablin including esteemed colleagues from a ucd ireland cheff republic and and danmark the overall purpose of our project was used to co-design and online in the disciplinary intersectional or international educational course and open science and open innovation for phd graduates and postdoctoral researchers including support tool for phd supervisors aimed to save more innovative socially aware integrative and employer phd and postdoctoral researchers our against research approach was followed as far as conceptualization deployment and learning outcomes of the project's concern as we are all aware of it encompasses the different ways that researchers meaningfully interact with various stakeholders in any or all stages of a research process from issue formulation to co-creation of new knowledge and dissemination and engaged research approach were important for our project open science open innovation relatively new and broad terms necessary to understand the meaning in diverse audiences cross-culturing our goal was to design for phd and postdoctoral students and employers in open innovation networks and education institutions our course and this means diverse needs and knowledge contributions requiring an engaged research approach why so important also a key element for open science involving sharing goals that's within different entrances considering ethical equity and power smaller voices for phd students and facilitating minimum dialogue the focus principles of go design also involved sharing power prioritizing relationships using participatory methods and bidding capacity across all stages of our project research and also deployment and dissemination our broad three engaged research strategies use stakeholder interviews across three countries world Ireland, Germany, the Czech Republic world cafe co-design event and also followed by industry check as an iterative process of design and validation collaborate for phd docs educators or within and between industry stakeholders involving phd employers as well the important issues for cross-nation stakeholder engagement the interview guides non-academic settings as a standard target group for phd especially in Dermanc not the same in Ireland the Czech Republic language translation and analysis our engaged approach in our online course research data collection the interviews with various stakeholders employers and phd educators across the countries industry check and world cafe event the stakeholder interviews 35 overall 18 with employers with phd graduates and also with phd educators the challenge is encountered with analysis the diverse expect perspectives between stakeholders countries how to synthesize these into learning outcomes for the training course the generic learning outcomes reads collaborative and interdisciplinary research practical applicability of it realizing the value of involving the wider public in research the use of open science approaches values and tools and career planning the work cafe event including also many stakeholders and groups across different break out rooms and based on the topic from the interviews we came up with the four actually kind of transferable and transversal skills related skills mentioned the process evaluation of work cafe dynamics triggering reflection dialogue of course language and background issues but rephrasing summarizing the essential lead leads to collaborative knowledge construction google drives a dog's collaborative of taking and facilitating attendees motivation and engagement the work cafe learning outcomes uh led to open online course drafted with the proposed course curriculum and learning activities circulated to employers and feedbacker relevance to open science and open innovation interest to check in our lands and change republic involved many kinds of advisory external industry and advisory committee including non-academic employers and we ended up with the final curriculum provided with and gates research approach comprehensive and new and understanding of open science and open innovation related transferable and transversal skills led leading to a flip classroom challenge based connectivist and constructive teaching and learning framework as far as our online educational course expected to be thank you all thank you so much elaine you just finished before the time um so i see the that the chart is being quite active so if you have questions to or comments or suggestions please put them there and uh the speakers are answering to to all your questions so let's move on to the next one to ana and irina i don't pronounce the second names just to not to to give a bad pronunciation so i keep the floor thank you ana thank you just a second yes thank you so much okay uh hello everyone who are members from the members of the repository development team at the university of belgrade computer center in serbia my name is ana georgievic and i'm a librarian and repository manager uh today i will show how the lack of specialized and institutionalized training on open science can be mitigated through training for using and and managing institutional repositories and we will explain why uh basically technical training on on repositories had to be expanded to include various topics and skills related to to open science uh in july 2018 the national open science policy was adopted in serbia and this pushed academic and the research organizations to establish institutional repositories the repository development team at the university of belgrade computer center has played an important a major role in this process and the team provides provides a hosting and software but also training for repository managers and end users and this is done this is actually done by a dedicated team for a user support user support team has to deal with some very serious problems uh the library staff at research institutions is insufficient and naturally for some librarians repositories were an additional burden also there is a huge knowledge gap in serbian librarians are usually not familiar with with the concept of repositories and open science generally and the reason for for that i think that the lack of institutionalized institutionalized training as an illustration let us have a look at the topics covered by formal education and training programs for librarians this blue hand here indicates where they touch upon open science library and information science is studied at the university of belgrade at the bachelor masters and phd levels and the curriculum i have to say that the curriculum is comprehensive and diversified but for now it lags behind behind modern trends also all librarians must pass a librarian licensure examination this is this is traditional librarianship except for a very general introduction into information science then we have certified professional development courses for librarians cover it covers some digital skills but the program is is primarily intended intended for public libraries so our team had to take had to take all this into account when developing the training on repositories once the repository is set up we we provide we provide training for the repository manager the next step is training for researchers initially training was organized in person but last year we had to to translate the whole program into an online environment and i dare say with with great success training is seen as a crucial for infrastructure adoption and that is why the user support team grows at at the same pace as the it team and i now my colleague rena nežić tell you more about core training hello everyone my name is rena nežić i'm also a librarian and the repository manager i myself have been trained by the user support team and i'm a part of that team today our training program relies on train the trainer model we train repository managers who are mainly librarians they later manage repositories and they're supposed to be able to train researchers so based on this one would expect the training to be primarily technical to focus on the repository software metadata workflows unfortunately purely technical training didn't work for us because too many things were unknown to future repository managers in order to manage a repository one has to be familiar with persistent identifiers rdm dissemination of scholar scholarly information through aggregators and search engines etc so this is why we had to broaden the technical part with other topics and this diagram here shows a brief outline of our training programs for researchers and librarians and as you can see many of these topics fall into the area of open science the previous slide shows what we call core or formal part of the training and this is something that goes with the repository itself so during these trainings we talk about everything one needs to know in order to use and manage a repository when users identify a topic they know nothing about or very little about but is relevant to them they know that they can turn to us for additional training and we teach them how to use different tools how to use reference managers how to interpret the information that they gather from Sherpa Romeo website and so on and this is the informal part of the training that we provide and here you can see the most popular topics of the informal part of the training clustered around the concepts covered in the formal part of the training so next slide yeah thank you the skills that we cover in our trainings are here mapped against the scheme of open science skills for library staff and researchers developed by Libre Europe so it is obvious that we significantly contribute to a development of a number of open science skills so with 27 institutional repositories and counting we have trained dozens of librarians hundreds of researchers and some of these librarians have started workshop for researchers on the role so the change is obvious and we strongly believe that this model could successfully bridge the knowledge gap in other environments lacking institutional training on open science what what about other open science skills they're not likely to develop without institutionalized training so we can say that the training model has been efficient so far and we plan to build upon the core part of our training by adding new topics to it and we can also count on a number of repository managers who are ready to get involved in informal part of the training as volunteers we already produced a significant body of training materials but they have to be revised and systematized and finally we also plan to make some steps towards institutionalizing training for open science while the library and information science curriculum is beyond our scope of influence designing a certified professional development course for librarians seems to be a feasible option so please if you have any questions don't hesitate to ask apart from me and my colleague Anne we have our colleagues Milica Shevkusic and Viljana Kosmanovic to answer all of all of your questions thank you very much thank you so much Irina and Anna for your presentation now let's pass on to the next one with Lina's and Helen Claire best practices for online training so keep up on the on the chat that everyone is active so thank you Irina oh I'm sorry did I make it no thanks Linus welcome to this talk on best practices in online training presenting activities from the EOSC Synergy Project my name is Helen Claire from JISC in the UK and I'm presenting with Lina Prinskas from Dance in the Netherlands next slide please Linus first to talk about EOSC Synergy it's a project which involves implementing the European open science cloud at a national level in our consortium partner countries which you can see listed on the slide Synergy is led by CSIC in Spain and is due to finish around this time next year we have activities around building infrastructure and policy alignment as well as developing 10 thematic services covering earth observation, environment, biomedicine and astrophysics and like most projects we have a work package on training which we'll focus on today next slide please one of our main training activities was to build a platform to host and deliver training however we wanted to do something beyond creating a moodle platform although we did do that too our research showed that open science trainers don't just use one platform or tool for training they use several and there weren't always open platforms available for them to choose so we provided some generic open tools for things like document sharing videoconferencing as well as some specific open science related tools such as an instance of Jupiter notebooks an infrastructure manager which can be used to create virtual machines and training accounts and a hackathon as a service the platform's still a work in progress but we'd really like you to take a look and let us know if you're interested in any of the tools in particular the hackathon as a service is ready for testing now next slide please leaders in addition to the platform we'd like to share our approach to developing training content which focuses particularly on sustainability and scalability in two ways firstly our approach right from the start was to focus only on online training and this was before the pandemic started secondly we have a focus on a train the trainer approach so apart from the content and how to actually deliver training the training work package in eosks synergy does not produce any of other training material our role is to support other work packages deliver who deliver the infrastructure and services to create their own training the service teams are often new to training and particularly online training so we've produced a range of material on creating good online content including practical advice and design formats tools and delivery we've been using some of our materials externally as part of data steward training which i think Linus mentioned in the chat and we've also now gathered our advance our advice including forms checklists and real life examples into a practical handbook again it's still a work in progress but we'd really like to take you to take a look to see what you think but also if you're willing to contribute your experiences in terms of what worked online and what didn't please do next slide Linus finally to talk about the content on the platform we already have some tutorials on our technical and thematic services but more will be coming over the coming next year the course we'd like to highlight today is one we created to provide an example of what good online training can look like it also provides some reusable introductory materials and i'll hand over to Linus to show you more thank you very much Helen good afternoon everyone it's a pleasure to be presenting at today's session my name is Linus Shepinskas and i would like to give you an overview of the online course that we developed it's an introductory course on open science eOSC and research data management and the main idea is to give a basic understanding of eOSC and open science to those who work with research data so namely researchers data stewards and trainers to give introduction to key concepts and practical tools to make data fair and also to give a more introduction to research data management and show some of the tools that are available for achieving this so this is we saw some snapshots of the online course it's it consists of eight modules each complemented with a video of a duration of about five six minutes it covers subjects like open science eOSC research data management and also uses examples from specific eOSC synergy thematic services that can be interesting to people involved in this program there are learning activities and resources complementing each of the modules each model lasts about 30 minutes including exercises such as quizzes for instance it's interactive it has some forums where people can ask questions information it's self-paced so one can choose which modules to follow in which order and when and it also has reusable content there are PowerPoint presentations videos scripts full test of the course and so forth so we invite you to have a look at this course we will share the links also in the chat and also all materials are now available in Zenodo including the videos so feel free to reuse thank you so much and if you have any questions please ask them in the chat or get in touch with us via email thank you thank you so much you still have one more minute in the house so if you want to demonstrate anything so no if not we pass to the other and the last one so moving on to Lottie Provost uh triple training activities on open science and EOSC okay hi everyone can you see my screen yes yes okay okay hello thanks for being here today I'm Lottie and I work on the training activities related to open science and the EOSC within the triple project so the triple project is an ongoing horizon 2020 project which was launched in 2019 and its main aim is the development of a multilingual and multi cultural discovery solution for the ssh it will provide the single access point that allows users to explore fine access and reuse materials such as literature data projects but also researcher profiles at a european scale um what else yes the good triple discovery platform will be one of the services operas and it will also be an ssh service of the EOSC now i'd like to tell you a bit more about why we found important to dedicate a full work package to open science and the EOSC integration within the project firstly the EOSC was still under construction when our project when the triple project was designed and there was a clear need among the partners for more knowledge on open science practices and also from improved exchanges and common work towards a shared understanding of the latest european open science developments we also wanted to ensure that the development of the go triple platform would be strongly aligned with the evolving standards of the ecosystem that's why we decided to provide trainings in the form of webinars and to produce adapt and reuse general and specific guidelines with three aims being firstly to provide support to triple members on open science and on the EOSC via adequate training secondly to engage new potential audiences in triples events and finally to produce fair training materials and ensure their reusability by the general public now i'd like to talk to you a bit about the targets of our training sessions because the original intention was to address our events only to consortium members however we realized that some of the topics of the training sessions could actually benefit wider audiences and the scientific community in general that's why we decided to open the training sessions to the community and started designing targeted training sessions so as you can see here you have specific triple trainings which are focused on relevant activities for the triple project so within this category we for example held this year an event on the EOSC onboarding session which was designed to provide assistance to service providers to share services via EOSC with the EOSC portal and also to introduce some of the benefits of the EOSC portal next week on the sorry in two weeks on the 12th of October we'll be holding another event on the EOSC architecture this time and it will be a training session that will provide an overview on the main components of the EOSC architecture and we'll also discuss interoperability issues in the EOSC architecture for example so you can see that these trainings are more specific on the other side we also designed training for the community and they focus on services and solutions so for example we organized a webinar on the open access publishing platform open research Europe in which we explained what it is and how it works we then held a session on the EOSC state of the art and objectives to discuss the latest stages of the EOSC development and also changes in the EOSC governance for example the last session we held was two weeks ago on fair data in social sciences and humanities and we talked about how research data in SSH is defined why are fair principles important for the management of research data and also how can we implement fair principles in the social sciences and humanities all of these trainings were organized in close collaboration with the main research institution in the SSH field and also with the training coordinators community so you can see their logos here on the screen now i'd like to share with you a few results from the activities that we've been carrying out so activities in this work package included training sessions in the form of webinars in close collaboration with research institutions and training communities up to now we've organized this year five training sessions two more on preparation and with a total of 275 participants soon we're having our training resources hosted on Dalia campus which will help us gain more visibility and help interested people find all the training resources in one place and we're also currently working with open air community of practice for training coordinators and the shock trainers community so as to produce a guide guidelines on fair materials based on 10 simple rules finally i'd like to say we've also been working with the ICDI which is the Italian group dedicated to open science and the EOSC and we're also in close contact with the EOSC skills and training work group so as to make sure that our training sessions are aligned i think that will be all for me thank you very much for listening thank you so much Lodi for your quick presentation so i think we had a very good session with a lot of experiences and a lot of ways to address these open science related issues in order to provide assistance and new skills not only for researchers but for support staff and for the data stewards now with some experience from postgraduate courses but apart from that also some experiences from projects to where we see the developing the structures and learning platforms to make available all this training material so i don't know if anyone would like to pose some question i see that the chat is mainly the speakers has addressed everyone so i don't know if anyone would like to open your microphone and share your experience or a comment to any of the presentations you just so sorry it's a timer so if not i think we can close the session i would like to in the name of the organizing committee of the event thank you all for being here and just give you the information about the next session that will happen at let me just check the time at 3 30 we'll have a keynote so i'll leave here the direct link for the plenary session for you and so that you can copy that and on time you can connect with us and to be with us until the rest of the of the event so once more thank you so much to all the speakers and all the the participants that stood with us for at least 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All right, here we are. Another episode of Let There Be Talk. It is Josh Todd from Buck Cherry here today. What's going on, buddy? What's happening? A lot's going on. You know, thank you for having me first. First of all, and yeah, we're about to drop our 10th record here, volume 10 June 2nd. And super excited. I go way back with the band. I remember, shit, I think it was like early 99 or something. Bruce Boulier was a good friend of mine. Such a good guy. Love him. And if you see him, please tell him I said hello. Yeah, I will. I see him once in a while in Vegas when I do shows out there. He comes in. Oh, is he living there?  That's cool. Yeah, that brings back like a lot of great memories. That's where all the old rockers seem to move. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of guys living out there for sure. But you know, I remember he got in my car and he was like, yeah, I'm working with this band Sparrow. Check him out. They got a buzz. He put it on and he played at the movies. And I was like, so incredible. And then I started digging into it. You guys were, it was interesting because you guys were kind of lighting it up in a time that was just right as grunge was starting to kind of fade a little bit again.    Yeah, you know, I just remember there was a lot of rap rock going on at the time. You know, that was pretty big at the time when we first dropped our first record.  And it just, it just worked. You know, we had the right song at the right time at that time with lit up and it reacted with people and thank God. Yeah, I think it was like spin or Rolling Stone did a little blurb on you guys too about how this cocaine song was, you know, labels were coming around. At what point did the labels start coming around? Because that's kind of at the end of also the quote unquote big A and R guy, like the Cologners and those kind of guys that were snipping around, Rick Rubens that would come around you back.  Yeah, they used to be a big thing. Now, now it's like there's none of that anymore. But yeah, Michael Goldstone signed us to he's a big A and R guy. He signed Pearl Jam Rage Against Machine, you know, which are, you know, huge acts and it was very exciting time. I can tell you how it all happened. I mean, at that time, you know, we were starving musicians in LA and the bass player and I at the time were working a phone gig, you know, and so we used the phone lines that are worked to basically manage the band. And so what we are, our whole thing was we we booked shows up and down the coast of California, you know, and stayed out of LA.   And then eventually there was a buzz going on. Okay, we spoke to this entertainment attorney, Alan Mintz, and he's not alive anymore. God bless him. He was a great guy. And so we met with him. We got a plan together. He goes, okay, let's do like five shows in LA and I'll get everybody there. And you guys got to pack them. And you know how hard that is. It's super hard. Yeah, it's super hard to pack clubs consecutively and Hollywood, you know, so that's why we did all this work around it so that we had a show at the Viper Room and it was sold out and we had given out at all of our shows we gave out these two song demos for free. And I think one of it was Lawless and Lulu, and I think Lit Up was on there. I'm not sure. I know, I know Lawless and Lulu was on there, but we sold out the Viper Room and every A&R guy was there, right?  And when we played Lawless and Lulu, people were singing the chorus as if we were in an arena, you know, they had all, they all knew it. And so the A&R guys were looking around the room and they're like, I can't believe this. This is a local band with no record and these people know the songs, you know, so I think that was a real big selling point. In fact, I know it was after talking to Michael at, you know, Goldstone after the fact. And then, and then we played another showcase at the whiskey and it was incredible. Another night like that where it was sold out and it was just bananas, you know, and then we were, I just remember walking up the street from the whiskey with the band guys and Michael Goldstone just walked up to us and he goes, hey guys, I'm Michael Goldstone. And we go, we know who you are, you know. And he's like, yeah, I was wondering if you guys would like to do a record together.  And that was like, right when DreamWorks had started, you know, and the rest is history. That's what happened. It's funny too, because what you just said, yeah, we know who you are. There were these guys and we knew who they were. And when they came in the room, it was almost like they were rock stars.   Fuck, I forget his name. But you know, these guys would be Tom Zuton. Yeah, Zuton. Yeah, yeah. He just came to one of our shows just recently in Tennessee, Lovely Guy. Yeah, I heard he's living out there selling cars or something. Yeah, he sells kios.   He is, man. I mean, but that was the kind of the last of the era of those guys. And just to thank too, also, like a big record deal, DreamWorks at the time had a huge buzz also. They were this new label, super late. So to be on that label and then have Terry Date do the record who had done Soundguard and, you know, and all these great, great records, that's just like a perfect storm, you know? Yeah, it was a really cool time for us. Everything was new. You know, we'd never been on a major label.   It was, you know, we gave DreamWorks their first gold record of that label, which was pretty special, you know, and here we were this rock band, you know, like so. We are just really enjoying the time period for sure. After he says, let's do a record, were there other people coming into the game? Was there a bidding war, that kind of stuff like old school? We'll give you $1 million. Alan Mintz handled all that kind of stuff. And I think there was a couple of other guys, people at the table.  I hadn't really heard of anything happening like that. It's funny, after that happened, Buck Cherry gets signed and you start making records and stuff, it doesn't really happen again until Shooters banned Star Gun. It seemed like every five years or so a rock ban would happen and people would be like rock, you know? Because that same thing, I remember they were playing Viper Room, there's a million people there into them and, you know, they were straight up rock and killing it, but it was so hard for rock to even, you know, fathom getting a record deal and a draw after what happened in the 80s, you know? Yeah, we've seen a lot of them come and go, I gotta say. We've been doing it 24 years now and you've seen a lot of them. One record out, two records out, you know, like it's only a small percentage can have longevity, for sure. Yeah, it's a gruer, for sure. I was surprised. I went to the time bomb tour show.  If you're playing here, something went wrong and after that gig, I think you guys were done. Yeah, that was a tough, tough touring cycle, you know?  When you guys kind of go on hiatus, semi-breakup after time bomb, which by the way, I thought, I thought that was, for me, was the record. I thought it was better than the first one. For me, I liked one. I did too. I did too. It's like, it's a great record and I always tell like real Buck Cherry fans like, you gotta get, you gotta find that long lost record and that's time bomb. You know, it's a great record. It really is.  It is. I love it. It's a goddamn rock record. Riding is fantastic, man. It was just, that song came out.  Yeah, I sang Riding and Porno Star this morning.  And then Placing the Sun was great. Great song.  It's a miracle that it happened, you know?  And so we just stayed focused on the beacon and just kept hustling, you know? The reasons, the reason it's called 15 is because no one would sign us in the United States and we got a small record deal in Japan and we had a small budget and we made it in 15 days. Now, when you guys, no one would sign you, is that because they would have to pay your back in like deal from DreamWorks, like buy it from DreamWorks? How did that happen?  I'm going to start, I'll start my own label and you guys will be the first record and we'll do a, we got a distribution deal through Atlantic and they had an upstreaming clause in there if they wanted it at some point and we released it on 11.7 Music, which was Alan Kovac's label that is now a pretty big independent label now, you know, with lots of other bands, you know? And of course, Crazy Bitch started happening and then everybody wanted to be our friends again. No, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's the, everybody, everybody wanted to be in the book carry business again. Yeah. Imagine that. That's Hollywood, man. Yep. Oh, we can make some money. Hey, buddy, we've always loved you, man. We just couldn't figure out how to make it work. Yeah. You guys, now that it's easy, we want in. My whole idea, I listened to a lot of hip-hop, so I just wanted it to sound like a hip-hop song, you know, but with Rock, I wanted it to have a lot of space and groove and very simple and it's crazy the life that that song has had. Yeah, we never would have thought that it was going to be like that.  Isn't that crazy? Yeah, I wouldn't want to do that, but I understand that, but I'm saying the power of a hip-hop. I think you could, yeah, you could go do some shows, but you couldn't tour extensively, you know, you'd have to, you have to keep putting out records. But yeah, I mean, that's what's great about hip songs. We always want a hip song, you know, for sure, because that's exactly what you're talking about. It gives you that platform to continue to go out there and make a living at this, you know, that's what it's all about. I did notice one thing when I saw you guys. I was on the bus on the time bomb tour just hanging out and you had a pretty vigorous warm-up thing I've sang for years and years and years. At first, when you first start singing, you're just singing like, you know, a gig a week or whatever and at rehearsal. But once you get on tour, do you immediately try to find a great vocal coach and figure out warming up and warming down and all that stuff? Well, yeah, it's a whole different ballgame, you know. I really self-taught myself all the way through the first record and the first tour. So since I was 15, you know, and I created a lot of bad habits and this was before in-ear monitors and all that, you know, and my ears were starting to get really fatigued from the noise on stage and I was blowing my voice out a lot on that first record tour and I needed help, you know. And I got a vocal coach. Don was his last name. I forget his last name. Then I went to a lot of different people until I finally landed on Mark Baxter. He's my guy and I really love him and now I'm a real student of vocal technique and it's hard for me to listen to the first record because I just hear how underdeveloped I am vocally and, you know, and I continue to constantly work on my voice to this day, especially when you get older, you got to work harder and you always find new little areas of your voice that are, you know, if you're constantly working on it, you know, and I warm down now too. I've been warming down for years. So not only do I warm up, I do a show and then I warm down after a show, you know. What is a warm down? Because that seemed to happen after I stopped singing. You're warming up of course, but a warm down, I'm trying to figure out what is that?    So warming down is just somewhere where I get off stage and then I just vocalize for about eight minutes, which is just doing some light scales until I'm back to my speaking voice, you know, and that's really the whole thing behind it.  Yeah, that's wild. Did you ever get any nodes or anything? No. Yeah, yeah, lucky, you know, and I haven't sang with in-ear monitors. I was like you in the era of just side fills and monitors and bad monitor guys, but feedback and just trashing your ears and stuff. How great is it to sing with the in-ear monitors? It's a game changer. I'll never sing without them, you know, because you can really dial in your mix to where there's only stuff that you want to hear. You don't have any, like I don't have like cymbals and all kinds of stuff that really fatigue your ears. I don't have, I don't even have an audience in my, in my ears, you know. I don't have backup vocals in my ears. I just have, I just have drums, you know, bass, guitar, and my vocal. Yeah, man.  You could just sing in this great volume and everything. You're not trying to get over Marshall stacks, especially when you guys- That's the thing. That's the thing. It really saves your voice. And the coolest part about in-ear monitors is you can walk anywhere on a stage. So say you're on an arena stage and you go all the way to the left and all the way to the right. It all sounds the same wherever you're out on stage, you know, and then you go, then you go play a club gig and it's the same.  And now, now guitar players are on simulators now or they don't even have guitar amps on stage anymore, which is amazing because it even cuts down more noise. So you can even dial it in even better. It's just, it's so great for singers, for sure. Yeah, absolutely. When you were coming up, you know, like we're talking about, you were talking about hip-hop, I loved hip-hop, I still do, but it was wild, right? What happened?  Rapper still lied and then you start getting some of the stuff. Brent DMC, Public Enemy being my favorite and then it kind of with NWA and it's a whole game changer for years, right? What was it? Yeah, yeah. NWA was really where it was at for me. I mean, when that was straight out of Compton hit and I was in Orange County, California surfing and skateboarding and all the kids were listening to that record.  This is so rad. It just felt like, for me, like it was these young guys talking about what was going on in their lives in the hood and I was like, it was something that I had no knowledge of. So as a kid, it was just really awesome to listen to it and to be close to that without knowing who they were. And that's what it was for all of us. So we did everything to the straight out of Compton record. We would skate to it and we jam it in the car and put it on at parties and it was a huge record for us. Yeah, it was massive. That one and for me, Fear of the Black Planet, you know, I just thought that was great. And then that's when I got into everything after the fact. I didn't even know public enemy at that time. Yeah. And then all that stuff later. And then of course, the masterpiece. And you know, I got in, I was really into the ghetto boys back then. Oh yeah, the ghetto boys. They were great. It's just classic. There was so much great hip hop that if you think it's wild, some people just have like one or two records.  And it was dangerous. It was dangerous. It was. It was awesome.  And then Biggie, like all such a great transition and time period for hip hop for sure. And there's a lot of great stuff now. You know, I just, I listen to hip hop all the time and pop music. Yeah, same. Yeah, I listen to the M&M Serious channel.   I just roll it. And I'm like, this is great, you know. Yep. Yep. Now you and Stevie D, like there was a time where Buck Cherry kind of fell apart again after Keith leaves and you do a hip hop thing with Stevie D, right? Oh, we did a lot of stuff. We did a EP called Spray Gun War, which was like electronic and rock. It was a lot of fun for us. I was like the first, you know, Stevie D is really talented guy and he never got an opportunity to shine because of the politics of the band at the time, you know. And so we did the, we did the Spray Gun War EP. And then we did Josh Todd and the Conflict, you hear the Tiger record, which was amazing record. And me and Stevie wrote that whole thing. And so we were getting our song writing language together and cut to the first Buck Cherry record, which he and I run in the show was War Paint and had a lot of fun making that record. And then, you know, Hellbound and Volume 10, in my opinion, are the best Buck Cherry records to date. We co-wrote all the songs, most of them with Marty and me and Stevie and Marty. And it's amazing from top to bottom. Let me ask you a little bit about your dancing because that was one thing that really blew me away.  And then you had, you know, Richard from Shark Island.  But dude started dancing. And as a front man, you're like, well, fuck, now I got to dance too. I'm like this bad white guy. I'm like biker rock, you know what I mean? I'm up there trying to whatever.  Also, I mean, it had to be the whole package, right? As a front man. You know, I have an older sister. She's two and a half years older. And when I was a kid, you know, I had my, my records that I listened to, which was a lot of punk rock records and all that. But I'm a fan of music and I would sneak in her room. And she had Billy Idol, Prince, Apollonia six, Sheila E, you know, yeah, I was a big fan of the Yaz record upstairs at Eric's. So anyways, I would go in there and listen to it. And she was all into going out to clubs and dancing, you know, so I got a fake ID when I was 17. And I would start going to clubs with her and I started dancing. So I would be like this little punk rock surfer skateboarder kid during the week. And then I would go dancing with my sister at like dance clubs in Orange County, you know, and I really enjoyed that. So dancing has always been a part of my thing. You know, I really love funk music as well.  And I think that's what's missing in rock is soul, you know. And, you know, I bring all those elements into Bucketary stuff and Bucketary performances. And yeah, it's just part of me. I think that's what's missing in music in general is a full blown soul, like 70s type of bands, where they played soul and played instruments, talking earthwind. Well, you know, thank God, thank God for Bruno Mars, because Bruno Mars is really special.  But isn't it wild? We can only name maybe one when you look at like the 70s of like earth, wind and fire, lakeside, you know, implement funkadelic that I mean, that entire soul train era of just fantastic musicians and crushing songwriting. And it's just not around. It's wild.   And she had a live band playing disco and it was incredible, you know.  It's just all tracks and there's not a whole lot of spontaneity and soul and that kind of stuff, you know. But I mean, Bruno still does that, you know, he has a great live band and live situation. He's an incredible dancer and performer and songwriter and singer and all that.  Yeah. It's just a smoker and Maxwell, remember him? Oh, my God. Amazing. Amazing.  I mean, just a run of them. Yeah. I saw D'Angelo way back in the day at the Health and Blues sold out and it was like, it was a love fest in there, man. Everybody was dancing everywhere in that place. It was amazing. Yeah, D'Angelo is a God. And of course, the Bee Gees for me, Saturday Night Fever. Amazing. Amazing. That stuff's next level to me, that soundtrack, that film. Yeah. Dancing, the clothing, the music, it's nuts, man. You got good taste. Same taste as me. Yeah, absolutely, man. It comes down to good songs. That's what it comes down to. It does. It's all about the song, you know, and that's where we're at to this day. It's like, we just do what's best for the song and that's why the records are so good right now. So you did the new record again in Nashville with Marty. This is the third one with Marty, right? No, second full record with Marty.  But these are the first two records that we've just done, just with him from top to bottom. And, you know, he and I and Stevie writing the majority of the music together and it's just amazing. And now you got my old friend Billy in the band, Billy Rowe from Jet Boy. Such a wonderful guy, really, really good dude. It's so funny because when I was young, Billy and Jet Boy moved to LA and I was a band in San Francisco. And that was a big deal when you're young.  And then they came back after a while, you know, the Bay Area. But eventually I moved to LA and my entire life changed from just a 300 mile move, you know, and now comedy, it's just bizarre. And I talked to Billy a lot at night, you know, and I'd be like, yeah, just get out of there.  This is in LA, you can just walk around and anything can happen, man.    And he never complains.  And what can I say, you know, we found a gym. Were you aware of Jet Boy or did somebody recommend him to you? How'd that go down? Stevie knew him. And we, you know, we had, we had a situation and we had to address it.   So, you know, I was very gun shy.  And it was important for me, for Stevie to have that good, you know, camaraderie between him and another guitar player because that's that's a big deal, you know, so I go, so let's, let's go to breakfast. So we went to breakfast in Toluca Lake and it was me, Billy and Stevie, and it was just a lovely time, you know, Billy was just a really great guy. He came off like somebody that I just could really jive with from the get go is very nice person and and that was what was so important for me, you know, and I we left there and I go, I'm fine with him. If you're fine with him, let's let's get going. And then it was just about like, you know, I told I told Billy, I go, you know, we don't really know who we got until they're two years deep in this band. That seems to be the that seems to be the pattern that's gone on with us, you know, it's like, people don't really show their true colors until they're about two years deep.  So he's like, he goes, I understand.  Yeah, that's great, man. We've been friends, I think, I don't know, 38 years or something. So it's wild. And now you're out on this great, successful skid row buck cherry coat headlining tour. What kind of dog you got? It's a King Charles Cavalier. Oh, this is lion lion. Does he got a blue eye? He's got one blue eye like Bowie. Yeah, he's lovely. Yeah. My dog's looking who's barking. That's cool. Yeah, we all love dogs. I love it. I love it. You guys are out on the skid row buck cherry tour. That's growing great. They keep adding dates. That's pretty damn cool. And you guys. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And you're regular at the fucking, at the Sturges, which is pretty cool, man. That's always wild to play. Yeah, they need to build us a house out there. We play there so many times. Now the records, when's record come out in June, right? Yeah, the record comes out June 2nd. You can pre-order it right now. You can get like three or four songs if you pre-order it right now already. And we're hitting on all cylinders. You know, got a lot of touring ahead of us and come out to the live shows. It's going to be great. Yeah, congrats on everything.  I just got off a two-month tour. The buses are triple the money. The gas is a fortune. The rooms are a fortune.  It is crazy. Yeah. Yeah, people don't understand how expensive it is to tour. It's a lot of money. It's worse than ever, you know. Yeah. Yeah, but you just, you know, you gotta just navigate through it and work through it. And that's, you know, we always do that. We've been through it all. You guys watch some comedy on the tour bus? Yeah, I'm always watching comedy. You know, we watch a lot of stand-up on Netflix and Amazon Prime, the stand-up, you know, always. I love stand-up. Who's your guys? Honey, who's the last guy with Mulaney? Oh, yeah. Oh, the cocaine one. John Mulaney. Yeah, that was amazing. The cocaine one, that's the great stuff. We love Sebastian, man, Skalko, you know. Who's the, I'm drawing a blank right now. Oh, Bill Burke? Yeah. Yeah, he's really great. Really great, yeah. He's fantastic. You've got to come down to the comedy store sometime, man. I would love to. Let me know. You know, last time my wife and I went down there just, we just went into the main room and Man of Skalko came up there. He was, he came up and did like 15 minutes. We were like, oh my God, it's amazing, you know. It was, it was pretty cool. Yeah, it's like that every night.  That's great.  It's, it's, it takes a, it's a hustle and you got to be good. And, you know, the writing and everything, I love it. I think it's a, it's an amazing thing. You know, I don't know. Did you see the HBO Max special on George Carlin? Oh, yeah, absolutely. The documentary. Yeah. Yeah. Judd Apatow did it. It's two parts. It was incredible. I was a huge, like I was really in a dirty comedy when I was a kid and like Sam Kinnison and George were huge for me when I was a kid. Yeah. It's wild to think too that, you know, I had no idea. I saw Carlin when I was young and I was a huge fan. You know, I remember I saw him and he was just like, he had this thing. He had his way with words, but he was just like, the fart is always funny, no matter what the fart is funny. Yeah. Yeah. And he had that baseball who's on for, you know, baseball and football, that kind of thing. But yeah, but when you see the scope of all the transitions he made as a, as a comic and the fact that he wrote all his stuff, he is just an extraordinary talent, you know, just amazing. Yeah. And just specials every year.   He'd be like, still the same shit, you know, I always say that I was like, I wish Carlin was alive to do a special on what's going on today. He would just kill it. It would be amazing. You know, the last Chris Rock special is really great too. Yeah, we're in the second boom, golden age of comedy again, man.  There's not phones allowed in there.  That was a tough thing for me as winded down as a musician was just people not engaged in the crowd with the rock. They were filming it.  It was all senses going into my brain, you know, and I remember them to this day and they're the greatest memories I have. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely changed a lot.  Well, we tour a lot now with the yonder bags. Have you played any gigs with the yonder bags, where the phones are in the bags? It's night and day different, man. The people are so on. Oh, no. Yeah, you put, they put their phones in a bag and they're kind of locked up by a magnet and they can open them if they go outside of the venue. And man, it is. Never heard of that. Oh, yeah. That's cool.  That's cool. That's cool. Well, hey man, it was great talking to you and we're neighbors. Hopefully I'll see you one day around town and come to the store anytime, hit a billy, get my info and we'll hang out. I will. I will for sure. That'd be cool. I'd love to support and just come check you out. That'd be awesome. Yeah, I went and saw you.   Thank you so much. Yeah, we should be playing LA pretty soon. I think playing a Henry Fonda Theater is someplace in LA. So with the Skid Row package, so you should come out. Yeah, sure. I'll come out and give everybody your tour dates and stuff. So buckcherry.com. At buckcherry.com. Yeah, you can pre-order and do everything there and get the tour dates and it's a one-stop shop for sure. And they got the new videos out right now. Good time. Let's get wild, shine your light. They're all on YouTube. Shine your light. Yeah, yeah. And oh, one last thing. I remember you guys did a video and I was invited to the shoot, but I was on tour. But my buddy Kevin went Hollywood Jesus. You remember that video in the church? Hollywood Jesus. That was Gluttony. Yeah. Yeah. The song was Gluttony and I was just talking about that guy. The other day he passed away. Yeah, he passed away, man. So sad. It's just a song. Too bad. He was a very nice guy. Very nice guy. Beautiful man. Hanged out at the comedy story. He was just, I mean, that guy was beautiful, man. Yeah, cool dude. It's very sad. Anyway, thanks a lot for doing the show and I'll see you soon. Yeah, man. Thanks for having me. Good interview. I'll see you. Take care of everybody and good luck with everything. Stand up for everything. You too, man. See you. Cheers.