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So let me, it's a great pleasure to welcome Sergio Klinerman today, a professor of mathematics at Princeton University and one of the foremost experts in the mathematical study of general relativity. So he's a frequent visitor to the IHES and he's on our board of Friends of IHES. As many of you know, Friends of IHES is the American support and public charity that supports the Institute's vision and philosophy in the United States for more than 20 years. So this should be a very interesting talk because it's often astrophysicists and physicists who talk about black holes and there's many, many interesting questions from many points of view and the point of view of mathematicians such as Sergio is quite interesting and different. Without further ado, let's begin, Sergio. Well, thank you very much for the introduction. I'm very glad to be able to give this talk. First of all, I wonder if everything is OK. Can you see the screen? We see it well. Yes. You see it well. Very good. OK. So well, first of all, I apologize. This is not going to be a talk for specialists. I'll try to be quite introductory for the vast majority of people who are attending today. The question that I'm going to try to answer is a question of what is a relationship somehow between the physical reality of black holes and the mathematics of it. So with this, let me start. First, let me talk a little bit about the basic geometric tools or basic geometric objects that are used in general activity. So of course, they are exactly the same as the one in geometry. So to start with, we talk about manifolds. So manifolds really think of manifolds as collections of open sets and coordinates on them and the way of transitioning from one coordinate to another. And the concept, which is a great concept in mathematics, which was introduced by many people starting with re-manifold. The metric, which you see here, which is this kind of expression, is expressed relative to a system of coordinates. So it's again, it's a local definition of a metric. It's a tool of measuring distances on the manifold. So there is a very simple, once I have this kind of tool, I can easily define a distance between points and so on and so forth. We'll see that there is a difference between Riemannian metrics and Lorentzian metrics. I'll say a few words in a second. Once I have the metric, I can talk about the connection, so-called Levy-Civita connection, which is really just an expression involving derivatives of the metric G relative to the coordinate. So again, relative to a system of coordinates, that's what it is. By the way, this kind of formulation here allows, it's a very simple way, which allows you to pass from one coordinate to another. In other words, these coefficients that I see here, they correspond to a particular coordinate system. If I want to change coordinates, I change it very easily according to this kind of expression. I don't want to get into details, of course. But just remember that the metric really is given here relative to a system of coordinates, but of course I can always change coordinates into something else. The connection represents derivative again in the system of coordinates, derivative of the metric relative to the coordinates. This, by the way, is not a tensorial quantity. It doesn't change well relative to system of coordinates. However, you can use it to define what is called the curvature of the manifold. So this is a concept introduced first by Gauss in dimension two. The manifold here was a dimension two manifold, a sphere, a surface, I'm sorry. And it's really a derivative, at the level of derivatives of the gamma. So there is some kind of algebraic relation between the curvature and derivative of the gamma. The remarkable thing about the Riemann curvature tensor is that it's invariant. It doesn't depend on the particular coordinate system. So even though this was depending on the coordinate system, this doesn't. Once I have the Riemann curvature tensor, I can take traces. So again, everything is done relative to coordinates. But again, in reality, these expressions do not depend on coordinates. Of course, it takes some time to see it, but believe me, it's true. So here I'm taking a trace, what is called a trace. You see there are four indices in this Riemann curvature tensor. I can take a trace and I get what is called the Ricci curvature, which is now a two tensor. And because of the symmetries, this Riemann curvature tensor has lots of symmetries. And because of them, in reality, this tensor here is a symmetric two tensor. And by the way, using the so-called summation convention, which in fact was introduced by Einstein from what I understand, which is summation of a repeated indices. So whenever you see beta and beta here, it means you are actually summing and the same thing with the other index. All right, so these are the basic objects. And of course, the simplest manifolds and the simplest geometric structure are the one of Euclidean geometry where you just have Rn and the distances are measured using the Pythagoras theorem. And the generalization of it is called Riemannian geometry. So generalization simply means that the metric is much more complicated and is defined on a manifold. And then there is a Minkowski space. So this is a concept which was introduced in the wake of special relativity. After Einstein, Minkowski is the one who saw the geometric structure of special relativity. These are called, as a consequence, Minkowski and metric. And the generalization of this Minkowski geometry is called Lorentian geometry in the honor of the physicist Lawrence. All right, so let's connect now all these things with physics. So this is a remark we think about general activity is that there is a very, very clear connection between objects which are mathematics and objects which are physical. In fact, mathematical objects are interpreted in physical language. So for example, the so-called inertia, the fact that you can cancel your gravity, you cancel the force of gravity on yourself locally, it's expressed by the fact that the tangent space to the manifold, in other words, that the tangent's been syncopated to something really very intuitive, as in normal Euclidean geometry, the tangent to a surface. Here's a tangent to a manifold. You can define this concept even if the manifold is abstract. So on the tangent space, you have a Minkowski structure. In other words, the metric at the given point can be expressed as a simplest possible Lorentian type of metric, which is a Minkowski metric. So you see the Minkowski, geometrically, you see how the Minkowski metric looks like in the tangent space. You have a light cone. You have what would be the time and spatial coordinates. And the metric is such that it varnishes on this light cone. It's negative inside here, and it's positive outside. In fact, in Lorentzian geometry, if you go back to the definition here, if the coordinates are, say, t from time and then x1, x2, xn, then this metric here, the Lorentzian metric, is nothing else but 1 in which you have minus 1, 1, 1, 1 on the diagonal and 0 everywhere else. So it's a very, very simple. It's a simplest possible metric. Of course, Euclidean in the Euclidean metric you have 1 everywhere on the diagonal and 0 everywhere else for the Euclidean metric. And here it starts with minus 1 and then 1, 1, 1. So it has signature minus 1, 1, 1, which is typical to Lorentzian geometry. OK, so the inertia, which is a physical concept, can be expressed purely by saying that what you are measuring is this kind of Lorentzian metric, which becomes trivial at the point. Events represent points in M. So any point on a manifold is, in fact, an event. Observers correspond to time-wise curves. In other words, curves that really move in such a way that the tangent space at every point on the curve is time-like. Time-like meaning, if you look at the light cone passing through the corresponding point, the tangent is in the direction of the light cone. So inside the light cone, in other words. It's null if it's along the null cone. And this corresponds exactly to light rays. So light rays, again, which are a physical concept, are nothing else in Lorentzian geometry, nothing else than null geodesics. In other words, geodesics, which have this kind of form. So in the Kowski space, they're just straight lines at 45 degrees. The equivalence principle, which is a fundamental concept which was used by Einstein to write down general relativity, is nothing else but the general covariance in mathematical expression, which simply means that all the objects which are used to define your equations, the physical objects, in other words, are invariant relative to any system of coordinates. So you can change coordinates, everyone. You please. Here is a simple mathematical way of saying that for any deformorphies, any map from the manifold to itself, you can take the pullback of the metric by phi. And you get a new metric here. And somehow, all the physical equations should be independent on this kind of transformations. So this is general covariance. And it's really equivalent at the physical level, the equivalence principle. Tidal forces, which are physical correspond to curvature, nothing else but curvature. Isolated systems, which are systems in which something happens outside the particular region, there are no other things become Minkowski in a sense. So in other words, the manifold that we are interested in, it's called asymptotically flat, meaning it may be complicated in some region of space. But as you go to infinity, you are talking about open manifold, as you go to infinity, things become Minkowski. So again, everything you want can be expressed in geometrical language. Every physical concept can be expressed in mathematical language. The equations themselves, which are the famous field equations of Einstein, of this type, you have on the left-hand side, you have something purely geometric. This is a Ricci curvature, which we have just discussed. Minus a half. This is the scalar curvature, which is obtained by just taking another trace, taking g alpha beta, alpha beta up, or alpha beta. This gives you r. So this difference is equal on the right-hand side with a T, which corresponds to the energy momentum tensor of matter fields in the spacetime. So in other words, it's not just this m and g, which is all we study in physics. You also have fields, additional matter fields, that one can put here. And somehow, each of these additional fields have energy momentum tensor. And this is what comes up in the right-hand side. So this is expressed purely in terms of the fields that are present on our spacetime. The simplest case is exactly the one in which there are no additional fields, no additional matter fields, in which case T is 0. And you can get actually read it. So you will have 0 here. And from there, it's easy to see that actually the Ricci curvature has to be identical equal to 0. So from a physical point of view, this is called the Einstein vacuum equations, because it's nothing present on our spacetime. And it corresponds to pure propagation of gravitational waves. So it's not that the spacetime becomes trivial. It's high, no trivial. But even in the case when you don't have matter fields, and this corresponds from a physical point of view to gravitational waves. OK, so as I said, the general covariance, the fact that this every quantity that appears in the main equations is tensorial does not depend on the particular coordinate system that you choose. All right. So a few words about initial value formulation. This was something that took a long time for people to understand. In fact, the Einstein equations originally did not even seem to have hyperbolic character, we say. It took some time for people to understand it. And in fact, it's to a large extent a product of the French School of Mathematical Physics. Yvon Chorke-Brua, in particular, is the one who really formulated the first result of this type. So the result says the following thing. First of all, you can talk about initial data sets in general activity. So what are they? It's very simple. I mean, think of the fact that you already have a spacetime and you take a hyper surface, which is sigma 0. So let's say we're in C plus 1 dimensions, which is the standard physical theory. And the spacetime is here. And you take a hyper surface, sigma 0, which is such that if you look at the light on every point on the hyper surface, the normal to the hyper surface is time-like, which means it points in the interior of the light cone. So this is called the space-like hyper surface. It just happens at every point. So if you take a space-like hyper surface, it's very easy to see that the induced metric, so the spacetime metric induces a Emanian metric here, which is G0. Emanian, again, just simply means that it's positive definite, so it has signal per 1, 1, 1. And this will be the time derivative of the metric, which is a symmetric two-tensor. Never mind exactly what it is. The important thing is that this corresponds to position in some sense, and this corresponds to velocity. And these are the data that you give plus some kind of constrain equations. So this is very much like in Maxwell's theory, when you give initial data, you also have to give some constraints. Of course, the constraints in general activity are more complicated. They are nonlinear, and so on and so forth. Anyway, the theorem of Eman-Bruha, and then complemented by some result with Garridge, is that smooths initial data sets, so these are the initial data sets plus constraints, admit unique, smooth, maximal future global hyperbolic development. Never mind exactly the word. The important thing is that there is always a space time that you can construct, at least locally. And this maximal future development represents sort of the maximal extension of the space time as far as you can go. So this is a remarkable result in the sense that it associates to any initial data set. It associates a space time. And in a sense, the problem, and it's maximal, so it's a maximal possible development of it, and in a sense, general activity becomes just a study of maximal future hyperbolic development in terms of understanding their character, right? So you want to understand the global character of such things. Does they end in singularity? Can anything else happen? Can they be extended, maximal global hyperbolic development extended for all time in the sense of completeness? In other words, completeness means that if an observer moves in such a space time, does it stop, does it time stop at some point because some horrible things happens, falls into a black hole, singularity, or you can go for all time. So all these things are really the issue of general activity, classical general activity studies. You can say studies this maximal future hyperbolic development, right? So this is a remarkable result proved essentially in the 1950s based on a lot of developments in partial differential equations that were done in the first half of the last century. All right, so let me go on unless there are some questions. So if there are no questions, let me go on and try to talk a little bit about mathematical general activity. Well, this is what I do. I'm a mathematician interested in general activity, so I like to explain what this means. So what does it mean to do study mathematical general activity? First of all, the basic question is to elucidate the structure of classical general activity. What is the mathematical structure of general activity? Second type of questions is to formulate and address the central problems of general activity and we'll discuss some in what happens. And I should say that when we choose problems and this makes us different from physicists. We are interested of course in physically relevant problem but they also have to satisfy our mathematical sensibilities like beauty, rigor and mathematical challenges. In other words, you want problems where you really have to develop new mathematics. It's not just the physics of importance which of course it is but you also want to attack the problems that really are exciting from a mathematical point of view. They bring something new. As far as mathematics is concerned. So in that sense we are very different. This is quite different from what the way physics to look at general activity. And finally, another thing which is typical mathematics I would say is to establish connections to other problems in other fields for other equations or in partial differential equations or in geometry. And I would like to say that this is some kind of mathematical entanglement and Wigner expressed this very, very well in this formulation. Mathematical concepts introduced for solving specific. So it's an observation that he made which he thought was very mysterious. And mathematical concepts introduced for solving specific problems have unexpected, mysterious consequences in seemingly unrelated areas. And this is a beautiful thing about mathematics which I would say is part of what they call mathematical GR. Okay, any questions about it? All right, so let me go on. So, okay, so I want to talk about black holes as we said. So I have to say at least a few words about what black holes are. So first of all, there are explicit solutions of the Einstein-Valcom equations, right? So they remember Ricci of G. So the Ricci part of the Riemann curvature of G has to be identically equal to zero. This is the Einstein-Valcom equation. So there are examples of this solution. The simplest one, of course, is the Minkowski space itself which was Minkowski 1907. So this corresponds to this family, right? So the care family is a family involving two parameters of explicit solutions. So this is what I said. Minkowski corresponds exactly with the case equal M is equal to zero. So it's a trivial solution of Ricci equal to zero. Schwarzschild is the one discovered immediately after the general relativity was formulated in 1915. So this corresponds to A equals zero M different from zero and the full care family for all powers of A. The Minkowski space. So here is an expression of Minkowski space in usual variables in the variables T, X, Y and Z.  The light comes from a point is like this and so on and so forth. So this is in physical variables. And here you see a picture which is very common for people in general relativity. It's sort of a, it's a Penrose diagram where you do a conformal compactification. You see this space time of course is infinite. And in order to have a picture which is finite, we compactify. This is of course done very often in geometry also.  In other words, you keep the angle. So for example, the angle is at 45 degrees which correspond to null to propagation of light remain at 45 degree in this picture. So that's this boundary here, it's a boundary at infinity. So this is a boundary infinity in the sense that any null ray in Minkowski space, so this is a line at 45 degrees, any null ray ends at the point on this I plus which is a, it's called SCRI. It's called, this is called future null infinity because you are going to the future past null infinity if you go this way. Okay, so this is how the Minkowski space looks like in a Penrose diagram. It's interesting, by the way, this corresponds to R equal to zero. So R in polar coordinates, so you pass to polar coordinates. So this is R equal to zero.  Right, so that's, so as well as this is not really a boundary. R equals zero is not a boundary, it's just an artifact of the picture. Okay, so let's look at the care family now in coordinates. Again, I just want to give you a sense of the fact that these care solutions are extraordinarily explicit. They correspond to something which are very, very interesting from a physical and mathematical point of view. And yet they have these formulations. So relative to coordinate systems, so you can write down a system of coordinates, T, R, theta and phi. So these are like polar coordinates. The Minkowski metric in polar coordinates will have just minus dt squared. And then there will be plus dr squared. And then a term which will involve d phi and dt tau, which corresponds to just polar coordinates. Anyway, so the coefficients in that case are very simple, but here the coefficients of course are more complicated and they're expressed in terms of A and M, which are the parameters here, and the coordinates R, theta and phi as you see here. So anyway, checking that it's a solution of the Einstein equation is of course what Kerr did. So Kerr discovered this in 1963. It's one of the great discoveries of the last century, both in mathematics and physics. It's really a remarkable family. You can read a lot of things from it, like for example, the fact that they are stationary. Stationary simply means the coefficients of the metric that you see here do not depend on t or probability. They also don't depend on the variable phi, right? Which means that they are not only stationary, but also axisymmetric. Another way of saying it, which is typical to mathematics, is to say that the vector fields t, which is d over dt and z, which is d over d phi are killing vector fields, okay? For those who don't know, it doesn't matter, but they're killing vector fields, they correspond to symmetries of the Kerr spaceland. They're also asymptotically flat in the sense that if you let R goes to infinity, then you can immediately see that all these coefficients trivialize to the coefficients of Minkowski space. So in other words, this become minus one, the whole thing here, and you'll get minus dt squared plus dr squared plus so on and so forth, which is a line element, the metric of Minkowski space, all right? So this is now the Schwarzschild black hole. So in the case of Schwarzschild things simplify because you just take a to b zero, that's all. You just take a to b zero, you get a simplification. The metric now looks like this, where you have a delta over r square is one minus two m over r. And this is a little bit misleading picture of what's going on, but it tells you something. It gives you a feeling of what is a black hole because at r equal to two m, if you look for r larger than two m, the space time becomes asymptotic, so it becomes more and more Minkowski. So in particular, the light cons will look like this, right? So light comes to the future, looks like this. Exactly on the event horizon, this light con looks like this. And if you're inside, it gets tilted and it looks like this. If you're inside r less than 12. So what that means since light propagates inside the light cons, it means that the light starting from any point, any event from this region will never get outside, can never cross the event horizon. So this is called the event horizon. Event horizon in some kind of, it's a boundary which separates the black hole from the exterior region. This picture is not very good. It's much better to make a penderos type diagram, which means a conformal diagram, in which case this gives you the maximally extended conformal picture of Schwarzschild, right? So let's look a little bit what it says.  This is a now future null infinity. So remember I said that null race end up here. So the future null infinity is actually corresponds to end points of this kind of null geodesics. The external region is again expressed here. You see on the event horizon, you see that the light con becomes tangent to the horizon. You see two region, two external region, this one and this one. This is an artifact. It's not a physical fact. It's an artifact of the explicit solution that it has two ends. It's topologically non-trivial. It has two ends. Of course, of interest is just this region, the external region and the black hole region. So the black hole region is of course, where you cannot escape and you have r equal to zero, which is a singularity. You can show that the curvature at r equal to zero becomes infinite in all possible senses. So this is a real singularity. And of course, singularities are terrible from a point of view of physics. You want to avoid them. So people, we'll talk a little bit about this, right? What is the nature of singularity? What do they mean? So this is Schwarzschild manifold. It's important, what I say Schwarzschild manifold, it's important to say that you don't have just one system of coordinates. You cannot view the entire manifold just using these coordinates, which I wrote here. In fact, these coordinates even become singular at r equal to two m, which is exactly on the horizon. So you have to change coordinates and different regions are expressed relative to different coordinates. For example, in order to pass in this region, I have to use a different system of coordinates, which is well understood now, but people had a lot of problems at the beginning of the theory, even Einstein himself, many people had lots of problems with this singularity at r equal to two m, which is not a singularity, it's just the horizon. But this was difficult at the beginning of the theory for people. Now it's considered triviality. The space time looks slightly different, but not much. I'm not even looking at this part. I'm looking, this is the most important part, as I said earlier, that's a black hole region. That's again the exterior region. The horizon is given simply by the roots, the larger root of this polynomial, r squared plus a squared minus two m over r. You have two roots. You have r equal r plus and r equal r minus. This is called the Cauchy horizon. And maybe I'll say a few words about it later on. It's something annoying. It's not a singularity in the real sense. The curvature does not become infinite here, but something terrible happens nevertheless, which is that past this r equal r minus, I can make infinity many extensions of my space time, which means that causality breaks down. So this is awful, of course, again from physical point of view, causality is an important part of physics. So this has to be seriously discussed. It's almost as bad as a singularity. So for Schwarzschild, we had that singularity at r equals zero. Like here, r minus is larger than zero. So you don't have that kind of singularity at all. In fact, these things are null. So these are null hyper surfaces. And again, you can extend the space time in infinity many way, which is awful. So this is one thing that one needs to understand. So again, external region, event horizon, which is exactly at r equal r plus, black hole region, which is this one, which ends up in this Cauchy horizon, which I wrote here, and null infinity, which corresponds to r equal infinity, right? Which are the future and the past null infinities. Okay, so let's go now to the real issue is our black holes real. So, well, black holes, since we cannot really see them inside because nothing escapes. How can we even talk about the reality of a black hole, right? So let's analyze it a little bit. So is an object physically real, if even if we don't have in principle, direct access to any form of detection? Mathematically, of course, they are perfectly real. But some of the reality is defined by the sub-consistency of its objects. There is such a single as mathematical reality. Okay, so that everything is fine from the point of view. We know that the black holes are mathematical real, but are they physically real? In other words, well, for that, you have to have some definition of physical reality. The one that I learned as a kid in Romania based on dialectic materialism was this one, which is my opinion an awful definition, all encompassing, including our minds, sorry, our word is missing here, our perceptibles through our senses, but completely independent of them. So everything that is perceptible by our senses, but it's completely independent of them. So it's transcendental. There is no, we don't affect this reality, but that reality affects us. And of course, it just doesn't fit with this sort of object. It doesn't fit with quantum mechanics also. It doesn't fit with uncertainty principle and so on and so forth. So here's a sort of a better definition, a contingent definition of reality or physical reality. An object is real. If it is mathematically self-consistent, plus it lists observable, measurably effects consistent with all other facts of an acceptable theory. So I hear sort of a question. This reminds me of the Plato's cave. Somehow there is mathematical reality. And physical reality has to have all sorts of other things. It's not just mathematical self-consistent. Okay, so this is again, the kind of reality that we want to talk about is in this sense. Okay, so there are indirect tests. So this makes sense, right? We can talk about something real, only even if it's not directly observable because it leads somehow to observable effects. Indirectly. So there are indirect tests of black holes and there are many Nobel prizes which are obtained on that. So there are astrophysical observations in particular the recent Nobel Prize of cancer and gas. Gravitational wave detectors by Barisch, Sohn and Weiss. So this was a few years ago. Numerical simulations, unfortunately, there is no Nobel Prize for numerical simulations, though maybe they should be. And there are mathematical theorems proved by Penrose for which he also got the Nobel Prize, right? So you can see already here the theme that I'm going to develop later, which is can you test physical theory using mathematical theorems? So I just want to, how much time do I have by the way? I'm a little bit worried this time. Can you finish in, if you can finish in five minutes, we'll have plenty of time for questions. If you need 10, I suppose we can go 10. Yeah, okay, I'll try. So maybe I will stop. I just mentioned the fact that Penrose got the Nobel Prize essentially for proving the theorem, which is a beautiful theorem. As theorems are today, this is very simple, but very penetrating. And if something to do is a notion of trap surface, so spacetime cannot be, so spatial has some kind of singularity. This is a way of saying what I'm saying here, if certain conditions are verified. So this condition, for example, when reach is equal to zero is automatically verified. M contains a non-compact hypersurface. So there's some kind of hypersurface which is infinite and M contains a closed trap surface. So here is a trap surface relative trap surface. The definition of trap surface according to Penrose, this was one of the great definition of Penrose. In fact, the theorem is more or less the definition. So once you understand the definition, the theorem is not very hard to prove. So you see, you compare the way a surface looks in Minkowski space where it generates light cons in the incoming direction and light cons in the outgoing direction. You see the volume is decreasing in the incoming direction and increasing in this direction. While in a trap situation, both directions, the volume in both directions is decreasing. So this can be expressed purely in terms of invariance that are defined on the surface itself. They are called null expansions and both have to be negative. So the null expansion in this direction is negative. The other one is positive in Minkowski space for a trap surface, both have to be negative. So this is a very, very, obviously something which is very far away from Minkowski space. It requires large curvature and so on and so forth. The remarkable thing that Penrose did is to show using this theorem to show the Schwarzschild singularities are stable. So this is actually very simple. Maybe I can explain it in two lines. The important thing is that if you are in a black hole, every point here is in fact a sphere and you can easily see that every such point is a trapped sphere. So the question was, does a singularity of Schwarzschild, does it stay if you make a perturbation on Schwarzschild? And many people saw that this is just an artifact of the special symmetry of Schwarzschild. So if you perturb, it is not going to happen. Well, Penrose theorem tells you that that's not the case, that this trap surface is of course, through that definition, they clearly survive under perturbations and therefore the singularity will survive under perturbation. Of course, the Penrose theorem is not very precise. It doesn't quite tell you what kind of singularities you get but already it tells you there's something terrible happens. Okay, another thing that he did for which he got an overpriced, I believe he deserved an overpriced for this. I'm not sure that he got it for this but in any case, this is a conjecture that he made which is a cosmic censorship projecture which is again connected with the situation that we see in Schwarzschild.  While if you are outside, you are free of singularities. The conjecture generalizes this to the general initial conditions and it says that somehow you can never have a singularity without having a black hole. So in other words, there are no naked singularity. There are no naked singularity in the exterior of a black hole. All singularities have to be inside the black holes. So there are also asymptomatic results but they won't have time to talk about it that tell you how you can actually form a trap surface. You see, Penrose tells you that if you have a trap surface, you'd necessarily have a singularity. These type of results tell you that trap surfaces can form from regular initial conditions where you don't have trap surfaces to start with. All right, anyway, this is just to give a sense of the kind of things that people do. Here are some mathematical, the broader tests of reality that I call mathematical tests of reality which are the issue of collapse. Can black holes form starting from reasonable initial configuration? This I just talked about, rigidity. So the rigidity is kind of an interesting thing. We know that the care solutions are stationary. In other words, they are in some sense time-independent. Of course, this requires a definition because time is not an absolute notion in general activity. So anyway, but it can be defined what stationary it means. And then the question is, are there any other besides the care funding? Are there any other stationary solutions? There are some results of Carter Robinson and Hawking in the 70s which require an analyticity and which is very restrictive, unfortunately. And there are some other results by Alexakis, myself and Yonescu where we actually show that if you are sufficiently close to care in the smooth category, which is much more realistic, the smooth situation is much more complicated than this situation. If you are in the smooth category, then it's still true that if you are close to care, then you have to be care. In other words, there are no other solutions close to care which are stationary. And then there comes a major issue of stability. So this is maybe the most important thing that mathematicians are working on now.  So this is a, I mean, this would take me another full hour to describe. Particular, there's been an immense amount of activity in recent year in the mathematical community. Of course, using some of the things that people have done, physicists or mathematical physicists have done earlier, but in the last 20 years, really this was a big problem for mathematicians. And I'm glad to say, to announce that Seftel and I have just been able to prove the general stability of the care family if a sufficiently small. In other words, you can go for a close to M. So the general conjecture would be to do it for A over M strictly less than one. We can do it for the case when this is sufficiently small. It's also very conceivable that in the near future we will be able to do the whole thing. But this remains to be done. So this is just something that the paper will appear recently within the next few days. It's a, unfortunately, it's a huge paper. So I mean, the problem is that these kind of results are extremely difficult and they require a lot of work. So our result is not even complete yet. I mean, the paper which will appear, I should say, is just one part of three papers. And that paper is a main paper, it has about close to 800 pages. So it's very unfortunate that the results like this are take a long time to prove, but the hope is of course that the time things do simplify. So for example, stability of Minkowski space, I simplify to, I mean, there are other results in other words that have originally been very long but have been simplified. I wanted to talk about final state conjecture, which is a conjecture that puts together many steps, in particular stability of Minkowski, which I just mentioned, problem of collapse, problem of rigidity, stability, cosmic censorship conjecture, the two and many more body problem. This is connected with the interaction of black holes. But I won't have the time. I should just simply say that this is, mathematical generativity is really a remarkable part of mathematics today where there is a immense amount of activity. There are lots of very, very interesting problems in particular, if you look for example at this final state conjecture, you see how many extremely difficult problems appear.  But nevertheless, the big problems are the ones which I mentioned. There is also, and I'll finish with this one, there are also issues that have to do with the singularities in GR. I mean, in a sense, this final state conjecture relates the mathematics of what happens outside black holes. Right, so you go all the way to black holes. This has to do with what happens inside black holes. It's connected with the fact that this horizon, this question, are these Cauchy horizons real? Of course, they are mathematical real. Are they physically real? In other words, are they stable under transformations? And there is a conjecture, which is a conjecture by Penrose also, that should tell you that this does not survive. If you perturb the care solution a little bit, this is not going to happen. Penrose thought that you'll get a singularity just like in Schwarzschild, but things are more complicated. There are results of the fairness and blue, but I won't have time to talk about it. So I'll stop here. Okay, great. Thanks, Sergio, this is a very enlightening talk. Everyone, we're open for questions, which you can put in the chat or the Q&A. And while you post your questions, let me ask Sergio the first. So you said that singularities are bad for physics, but from the point of view of string theory or any extension of generativity, in a sense singularities are good for physics because you need to go beyond a general activity test to test your theory. And so one would like to know whether cosmic censorship is truly valid so that we do not have access to singularities or if there are exceptions and possible observable consequences of singularities. So has the conjecture been settled? And what's your opinion about the conjecture? Okay, so there are two, unfortunately I had to go too fast. There are two cosmic censorship conjecture. One, which is this weak cosmic censorship, so-called weak cosmic censorship conjecture, which has something to do about the external of black holes which says that outside black holes don't have singularities. And then there is this other one, which I mentioned here, which is inside black holes. Inside black holes, you should have singularities. So you are not going to avoid singularities no matter what. It's just a matter of the nature of singularities. Well, actually here, there is also this issue of Cauchy-Horizon, which is the issue of causality. So in that case, there are specific proposal of what should happen with the singularities inside. Of course, we are very, very far from any of these two conjectures in fact. There's no evidence against the weak one or- So there will be the issue of naked singularity outside the horizon and the inside. Of course, you'll have singularities. The question is what exactly is the nature of singularity. But you're absolutely right. I mean, quantum mechanics would like to, I mean, people would like to introduce quantum mechanics with general activity, string theory, it's such a proposal. But this, of course, is still a dream, right? So we don't know what happens. Okay. Well, I'll continue with a question from attorney A. Do you think your methodology could be used in the arena of quantum physics? Yeah. I mean, look, I mean, this is exactly what I meant when I talked about this entanglement, right? That mathematics, which is developed for certain problems turn now to be relevant in others. I mean, this has happened all the time through history, right? The kind of physics, very often physics that was used by physicists at a given time was developed for a completely different problem by mathematicians a hundred years earlier or maybe 50 years earlier or something like that. That has happened many, many times. And so the hope is that though we don't really work on quantizing general activity, we hope that some of the things which are developed here will be used for other things. I don't know where, of course, but I mean, in other words, again, I think this is very important and maybe many times people don't realize that this is the major difference between mathematics and physics, right? In mathematics, you really, you work on a specific problem, you try to solve it, you push the boundary of what's known mathematically. And as a consequence, you bring new tools which may be, which very often are used in other things. And concepts, not just tools, but you bring concepts very often. Right, thanks. An anonymous question. Do black holes move in space and change position? And if yes, what is the cause and can they change form? Good question, yeah. So this is a issue of dynamical black holes.   They are very close to each other, they can coalesce. Of course, we have Thibaud Amour, I understand, who is one of the experts in this. So there are very, there's a lot of dynamics with black holes. I mean, so the kind of black holes that I was talking about, these care solutions are the final states of dynamics. In fact, this cause me, sorry, this final state conjecture states exactly this, right? I didn't spend time on this, but initial data sets behaving the large, like a finer number of care black holes moving away from each other. In other words, asymptotically, if you start with initial conditions, you can have some very complicated dynamics. And, but asymptotically, as time goes to infinity, you are going to see just a finer number of care black holes moving away from each other. The reason for this would be that black holes, again, would have complicated dynamics. They can coalesce and they form only one black holes or they can move far away from each other. And therefore asymptotically, if this conjecture is true, then you are only going to see care black holes moving away from each other and some radiating decaying term, in other words, some radiation moving away to infinity. Thanks, I'm going to ask one last question from John Thorella, who in fact, this question is prompted by an article today in the New York Times by Dennis Overby, who asked the question, what should one call a bunch of black holes? And of course the analogy would be to groups of animals for which there are all sorts of whimsical terms in the English language. Of course, there's a pack of lions or a pride of lions or pods of whales. And given that we observe now these collections of black holes in space, perhaps we need a collective noun for the black holes and the suggestions that were, there's even a poll given suggestions such as a crush of black holes or a enigma of black holes. And I wonder, Johnny, have you thought about this question or what would come to your mind for a collective of black holes? Collection of black holes. But again, this finite state conjecture really gives you a story, right? It gives you the fact that in reality, in any finite regional space, you can only see one eventually. So they tend to spread apart. And so the collectibles form only one, right? Okay, okay. So what would be the right term? So we'll think about that. And if you have any suggestions, the poll is going on now, I understand from the New York Times article. And so with that note, let's thank Sergio again for a really excellent talk. I'm going to clap and represent all of us in applauding this talk. 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uh... yesterday folks is copely girders scott copely's a candidate for the city council uh... running in district one uh... copely is focusing on affordable housing infrastructure to meet the growing population of the city water management environment reducing uh... floods inside of the neighborhoods and copely comes from uh... long family history of uh... basically building up saint petersburg florida there's no doubt about that copely welcome the t f n n now thank you for having me excited to be here some time with you and there is no doubt man and you know the bottom line is that you know there's no prejudice here but i can tell you folks okay his family's done a lot of work here uh... they have they have i mean i i i don't know your father i know robb okay and i and met him a long time ago and this is so it's happened with saint petersburg folk just so you know okay there's people like uh... his uncle and his father okay that have worked for a long period of time to bring saint petersburg to the level they're at right now you know copely i saw this happen in boston it does take thirty years okay but we're here now you're running for city council so tell the folks why they should vote for you now i appreciate it and uh... frankly it made me tear up a little bit just thinking about my dad my uncle and frankly all of my family that uh... you know it's port port their heart out to the city they love you know all the way going back to uh... my grandfather being one of the founding members of uh... delia little league is that right? that is so cool man because i'm telling you you know and again folks okay i know what the difference is because i grew up in boston i've been in saint petersburg for twenty five years and i know how much it takes but they have done an amazing job and and i am so happy that they finally got to see it you know what i mean? yeah i've been super blessed to have family on both sides you know i i i grew up with all of them around me uh... that just uh... have a care and a passion for uh... their neighbor in treating them like family and this is an opportunity to do that city-wide and that's really why i got excited to do it you know i feel like uh... over the last uh... couple of years there has just been this uh... divisiveness that somehow has gotten into our culture a little bit here in saint pete where uh... i think we can all agree that we live in an amazing place and and it's grown up in front of our eyes you know if you if you came from boston my college roommate was from brain tree just outside of boston and so i've been up there quite a bit and so you know that didn't happen overnight and and we've been able to be a part of this generation that's been able to watch saint pete grow up and and don't give me wrong there's a long history and long but uh... rip some really great things of saint pete history and then there's some things that uh... you wish you could go back and shake the head at uh... of some of the people that made the decision but we're here now and we're in such a good place and really it was just the opportunity for me to say listen i love this place i want my four-year-old daughter of my two-year-old son to live here and raise their family one day and we should really just can try to continue to grow smart because of this little big-town feel we have this this small business entrepreneurial uh... shell that we we've grown and i want to keep it that way and this is the opportunity to do that and i just think uh... because of you know what being able to learn from my family members before me my financial background as a financial advisor my capacity to be able to serve because of being a small business owner uh... and and the knowledge that i've been able to gain of our city and how it works uh... it was just time and uh... i'm super excited to go to work for city that i tell people on time i owe a lot more to that i've been able to get back so far and this is just an opportunity to try to catch up on some of that equity well the cool thing is that you were learning right at the you have supper table at breakfast table so yeah there's no there's no doubt about that okay so let's get down to it right let's get down i mean i know everyone is talking about the affordable housing and listen we need it there's no doubt about that but i got to talk to you first cuz you're not your uncle's in charge of all the neighborhoods right he's done an amazing job everyone's trying to do the best they can okay the real question is though uh... you know we have a lot of young kids that are acting up in general uh... and so let's start there let's start safety inside saint p what are we going to do first and foremost uh... let me just let me just say uh... we're going to continue to support our police officers and they're going to be the number one item on the budget every year uh... we're going to continue to invest in them to make sure that we continue now i don't know if you know this but you know we have the only police force in the Tampa Bay area that matches the diversity of our city right now that i listen to it we had a great force there's no doubt yeah when it's because of that intentionality of making them a priority that we're able to continue to do that so first and foremost we've got to continue to support our officers continue to recruit and develop our officers better than anybody else that's not going to change right after that i think to get to the root of the problem while supporting our our best in-class police officers we need to and i think this is where one of the one of the ways that i can go to work on day one because of knowing how to work with budgets and things like that find dollars outside of our police budget to make sure that we're investing in our youth we're continuing to invest in our rec centers in our public private partnerships uh... on the board member on the board member of the police athletic league uh... that gives kids an opportunity to have positive experiences with police officers making sure they know they've got opportunities uh... before they go and make a poor decision i think that's where we can get to the root of the problem but first and foremost we've got to continue to win uh... like i said invest in our best in class uh... police force giving them the support they've got our backs they've got to know we've got theirs uh... but then making sure that we're investing in our kids in our families and that's an and it's not an or you don't have to do one or the other you can do both and that's what i want to do yes now this is really cool talk to me about the aspect of water management flooding this is happening you know in the whole country of course to talk to me about your your ideas about water management infrastructure yes so uh... i don't i most people probably don't know that because they're not uh... you know trying to dig into the the weeds like i am these days but you know just last week uh... the city council approved the lift station that's gonna make sure that are are two biggest plan for connected so when when and if there is a capacity problem that got for that we had a hurricane and we needed capacity because right now we do not we've got about a normal day today is about forty million gallons of of water we've got the capacity for a hundred so we're doing a good job but to make sure that we're able to service entire city we just approved the lift station and the main to go from northwest to southwest uh... so we continue we can trade-off now we can move water from one place or another if short acres is having uh... uh... higher uh... moon tide uh... we can move that so we need to continue to on the plan that we've got so far right two billion dollars two point four billion dollars over the next ten years right we gotta make sure we finish that plan the second is is we've got to continue to work uh... you know on our coastlines making work will make sure we're making smart decisions uh... but really you know and it's it's kind of a boring answer we've just got to make sure that we stick to the plan we fund the plan to make sure are water resources master plan to make sure that work catching up for the frankly twenty thirty forty years of uh... unfortunately it's neglect uh... that this kind of administration the last five or six years has caught up to we've got to make sure we're getting there now how old are you i'm thirty eight years old thirty eight good we need some good young blood folks it's votegirdis dot com and girdis is g-e-r-d-e-s copla you have a great one safe one we appreciate it look forward having you back on again i'd love to do it thank you stay right there folks to come right back


That's a show I have teeth. They're nowhere to be seen. They're over there. That's my angle. Hello there, lovers and friends. Today's video is done in collaboration with OKCupid, the best dating app on the planet, because they want everyone to match on what matters to them. But what matters to me today is experimentation. We're going to be trying something that I have never attempted before, and I'm actually quite intrigued to see how it's going to turn out. Well, here's your skinny. Natasha and Mariette have been best friends for a super long time, but they've been single for even longer than that. They've tried it all. Dating apps, matchmakers, they even went to a single seminar, but still not a. So when they came to me, I was like, yo, why don't we just try one more thing? We're going to attempt arranged dating. Now arranged dating is when someone who knows you really well takes complete control over who you pursue romantically. You know, especially not. Yes, yes, girl, I like him from me. Well, although this technique, obviously has deep historical roots, is also supported by modern day research. Now, according to one of my most favorite books of all time, the science of happily ever after by Dr. Ty Deshiro, your friends and family are actually statistically better able to make decisions on your love life than you are. So this is how studies show this happening. When you get into a relationship, you tend to inflate the positives of your potential partner and minimize or completely discard all of the glaring red flags that are in front of your face. Whereas in your friends and family, clearly see that person for who they are and how they mesh with you. They pick up on the warning signs that you are choosing to ignore. See, I would never date someone like that, but you're okay while you are now. So, and where has that gotten you? That's why we're here. You know, so with that in mind, we're just going to give this whole arranged dating thing a try. I mean, what's the worst that could happen? Describe your best friend to me. Oh, Natasha is fire. Mariette is a vivacious, outgoing, and she's very vava boom, but I don't think she knows it. Oh, she's so different. She's so beautiful and voluptuous. My mother, who doesn't like anyone, loves her.  And one that you were like, no. The thing is she likes them older. And she likes them young, like really young. People call me a cradle robber, but they're not that much younger, you know. I have daddy issues, so I like the old, maybe even granddaddy issues at this point. The older, the better. We just, we look for different things. We have very different, you know, what our checklist is. I think it's very different. At the root of it, we both just want to find a partner and we just both want a man. I don't know. Maybe I need to intervene somehow and maybe she needs to do it for me. Maybe we're just not good at selecting ourselves. We, you know, what's that quote? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Is that the quote? I don't know. That's the quote. Next, I ask them to choose each other's best, most honest photos for each other. That's your main photo? I just added it right now. Girl, please. Please. The only thing is that I feel like your main photo is too, it's too far away. Look, she looks pretty, but like her expression is like, like that.  I feel like I'm missing one that is showing you doing, yeah, doing what you do. Like you, I don't really know. Are you a blogger? Are you an Instagrammer? Oh, that's so cute. That's such a compliment, though. It wasn't meant to. This is not your part. This is sexy. I'm going to keep this. Oh yeah, okay. Okay, so we've taken care of the visual and now it's time to get to the heart of the profile, the self-summary. How would they describe one another for maximum results? Okay, so she had like this resume going on. Keep it simple, like one, two sentences. Your summary is a sushi emoji. Now tell me the meaning, what is the idea when you put sushi emoji?  If you're bored, ask me what you should do this weekend. I'm a creator, artist, mother, and comedian. I live a life I am passionate about and I'm searching for people who can say the same, smiley face. You know what we're going to do? Ask me where to get the best sushi in LA. See, I don't like to spend a lot of money on sushi, though, so I don't want them to do that. Ask me where to get the cheapest sushi in LA. Yes. That's me. That's me. Have a jazz piano. Bring it with you. You know, I'm serious. So your new profile says, ask me where to get the cheapest sushi in LA. That's not a sexually window. I'm a jazz singer working on an Armenian album. Have a guitar. Bring it over. Let's make music together. Also not a sexually. No. See, that's funny, because then you got the tag at the end, you got the button. I wrote you a stand-up bit right here. Remember, you're going to know you're funny. OK Cupid is famous for their 1,000 plus questions that help users and the algorithm narrow down their search for the right matches. Now, Natasha, she already had an OK Cupid profile, but our rookie Mariette, she still had some answering to do. You don't smoke, do you? No, like once in a blue moon. Rarely. Your idea person rarely. You got to have some fun and have a drink here now and then, but I don't want an alcoholic or a drug addict, but you know, which event sounds more appealing? Political convention. That's you. She's very political. Rate your self-confidence. That's a great question. I'm curious to know your answer. Higher than average. That's good. OK. We're done. That's finding you great people. So excited. Andy, he's a professional actor and model. OK. I don't know. No, no, no. OK. OK. OK. Ooh, Latinos. Latinos are always fun. Mateo, David, OK, Chris, he looks like a nice guy. Quinn, yeah. I like Quinn. He looks like a nice guy. Now, I like Andy for me, but I'm going to swipe now. David, try filling no for it now. OK. OK. Adrienne is so cute. You would never go out with, but if you give Adrienne a chance, I can just tell you. I enjoy to explore the city and stay in an experiment with some cooking recipes. Hey, girl, he cooks. I'm a sucker for anything nostalgic. Hello, vintage glamour. Hello. I think Chasing Amy is an underrated movie. Oh, I don't know. He lost me there. It's Louise, as in Louise. Not Louis, Louise. He's an LA native. He's into hiking, road trips, beach camping, discovering new places, comedy clubs, museums. Boom. You need someone to record your album. He's your man. Joe Hanne. Picture number two should be you doing something that invites a question. Hmm. OK. So I'm just on the phone right there. Right. Who are you calling? Why are you already cheating on me? Damn. I want you guys to know I curated this profile. OK. Let's see what, oh, a pro does it. He's very cute. He has good style. He's doing something with a microphone. What are you saying? I want to know. I'm definitely slipping. Yes, I have it. He's usually, he's so cute. Like this picture right here just like makes me want to know this guy. Like I want to be, I want to like hang out with him because he's just like. According to OKCupid Research, women who send the first message are 2.5 times more likely to get a response. So with that in mind, I asked Natasha and Mariette to make the first move for each other by sending the first message. So what's up? Hey, Jacob. Nice socks. Every message, Johan. Johan. Johan. Ask me where to get the best ice cream. I'm from Chicago. I know, but I want to read, so I have something to say. OK. OK. Hey, how, baby? OK. Because it's so cheesy, though. I like it. How do I say cut, baby? How do I spell it? Yeah, that's it. That's it. OK. Hey, how, baby? Where's a girl like me? Get the best ice cream. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where's a girl like me? I asked you, this would be disastrous or epic. You said you're going to be positive and say epic, but now that it's done, how do you feel? Epic! Epic. It was awesome. It was more fun than I thought. It felt epic for me. Honestly, it really was an eye-opening experience, and I think really the message is that we never see ourselves the way other people see us. Did you learn some things about yourself through this process? Yeah, I guess I'm very lazy when it comes to online dating. I just don't want to write anything or share much information about myself. I just rely on the pictures, and that's pretty superficial. To hear my friend talk about me or the way that she presented me really made me feel good, and I think that's something that I can take away is not to apologize for the space that I take. I recommend this exercise for everyone, really. Everyone should experience this because they'll get to know something about themselves, and it's very entertaining. And personally, I think it turned out pretty good, but that was from my vantage point. I want to know how things looked from your seat. What do you now think of arranged dating? Would you attempt this? If so, what friend would you entrust with this very, very important task, and which of your friends are you like? Yo, I am dying to do this for them. Let me know in the comment section below, and while you are down there doing all type of tippy-tippy things, make sure you scroll up, go to the info box, and click download on the OKCupid link so that you can start matching on what matters to you or your friend immediately.


I want to kind of close out some of this leg rack stuff because I want to spend a good chunk of time that next session on defending legs and crab riding and doing a little bit of bottom work. Now, this is a little bit of a safety drill, alright, and it will lead right into what we're going to do with leg defense. I'm not a big double boot guy, okay, have I answered? And this is why I was talking to Joe and his dad about last night. Something me and Chris Perry argue about all the time. He's a two-time NCAA champ for Oklahoma State, he's a good friend of mine, but he's an amazing leg rider. Double boots, won him a national title, his first national title, I think over Matt Brown from Penn State, alright, he's big on double boots, so just get flat, alright, and I don't mind double boots, but in my opinion, when I got both legs in, this is a very punishing ride, okay, when I have double boots, but I'm limited to what I can do. Now it's decent for setup, and it's decent for wearing this guy out, but if I just get a half, and I'm trying to pin this guy, I've either got to break his back to keep my double boots in, or I have to take a leg out to finish working on his back, okay, but one thing double boots are good for is breaking the guy down, and it's good for punishing a little bit. There are turns with the double boots, but I like the flexibility of that short leg ride, because I can control his hips, in my opinion, just as well, and I'm way more versatile from a single leg ride, but this is a good instance of what we're going to use double boots for, so up in your base, alright, so I'm going to jam, I'm going to swing my boot in, this guy's going to try to put my hips high, okay, yeah, see I don't even have to tell him to try to put up, he's going to try to put my hips high, anybody ever got a reversal on a leg rider about getting your butt up in the air, and they kind of slid off your back, and then you kind of scoot out the back door and get skinny, right, we'll start doing some of that with our leg defense, but we're going to be way more technical, but this is a good drill, spin, alright, so I'm going to jam, I'm going to throw my boot in, right when I throw my boot in to get my safety, right here, he's going to shoot his butt up in the air, and I'm going to cross my ankles, see how I cross my ankles, and it locks me into his body, now my hands are going to grab his wrists, second boot's going to come in, and right here I'm going to arch and yank his wrists, now we're not going to drill that, because it's really, really, really bad for your low back, and a match is what it is playing, alright, okay, but that's how we're going to do it, but the reaction drill is the important part, crossing my ankles, did you see how I crossed my ankles and I couldn't slide any further, alright, that's the reaction drill, alright, so, rep, we're going to double-thigh, right, jam, when we drill in a second, we're just going to start here, okay, we're going to start here, and then when he gets his butt up, I'm just going to get used to crossing my ankles, then I'm going to attack the wrists, then I'm going to go double-boot, I'm not going to arch and pulling down, we're just going to get that second boot in, alright, at this point in the camp, you should know how to engage your hips and arch your back, we're just not going to do it now, because I don't want anybody to get hurt, any questions, but that reaction is important, so partner, they're going to jam, they're going to throw the boot in, we're going to get set right here, and then I'll, no, all I want you to do is just shoot your butt up in the air, okay, top guy, it's going to be your responsibility to cross your ankles quick, I don't want you to grab the wrists until you get your ankles crossed in your control, then you can grab the wrists and go other boot in, do not double-boot and arch, pretty please, what's up, coach? And this may be the next session, but guys with a little bit shorter arms, I can't get over there and get to that, what would we have for the counter for these guys, do we? Oh, did you say you had one? A few of these guys, they don't have long enough arms to get to those wrists. Right, I mean, in this position right here, so you're talking about, go ahead, you're talking about not being able to grab the wrists here? Yeah, that would be a hard time getting there. Okay, all right, yeah, if we're struggling there, we can explore some opportunities, I don't mind so much, I mean, I don't mind so much, if I'm crossing my ankles here, go ahead, get up, and crossing my ankles here, and go on like maybe side headlock and arching, all right, if your arms are too short, if you think your arms are too short to grab the wrists, holler at me, and let's figure out a solution there, all right, if we can't get to the wrists. And if you already got a solution, let's see it, questions? All right, it's it, you're good.