Does now starting all attendees are in listen only mode Good afternoon everyone. It's a pleasure to have you join us today for BC ideas exchange story showcase This will be the first and what is going to be a quarter league series Showcasing some of the BC ideas exchange stories from communities across BC. My name is Susan Lowe I'm with the design coordination and outreach branch of the Ministry of job trades and technology I'll be moderating and providing technical support for today's webinar and Moderating our talk show session after the stories I am relatively new to the platform So I'm going to do my very best to give you support as we go along and I appreciate your patience with me as I learn I'm located in Victoria, BC and the traditional territories of the like long and speaking peoples including the Songhees and Esquimalt first nations This is a beautiful place and I'm so privileged to be here and have been a guest here for many years Before we get started, I'll run over some of the technical aspects of the platform There are two ways to connect to the webinar for audio if you have a headset like this one or a microphone and speakers on your computer Choose computer audio if you're concerned about the bandwidth or you don't have computer audio You can select phone call instead and dial in information will be displayed So you can pick up your phone dial in and make sure you log into the system with the pin that is shown that is unique to you and Don't share it with other people that unique pin Let's me mute or unmute your line if you're going to ask to speak or ask questions during the talk show part of the show So and another thing to note is you're muted by default when you enter the webinar If you are going to start speaking And you have muted your own phone. You have to unmute that on your side. Otherwise, we will hear nothing I'm sure we will figure that out as we all go along together So there's a few things on the control panel, I just want to show you as we get going the orange Button there hides or unhides your control panel after a little while It's gonna hide itself automatically because you're not using it But you can click that little orange arrow and it'll come back You can also go full screen with the little blue button if you want it really big and The raise hands button shows me that you have a question to ask during our Q&A portions of the webinar At other times if you have a question or you want to get my attention Type a question into that little enter a question for staff field and it will get to me I can write back to you if it's an immediate issue or I can save your question and ask it during the Q&A time There's one of me and there's probably going to be about 25 to 30 of you. So Again, appreciate your patience and I will get to you In between each presentation there will be a pop quiz So pay attention the pop quizzes will come up as a poll on your screen That's what it'll look like the blue question screen I'm going to run up quick poll right now just so you can get practice answering and so we can find out a little bit more about our audience So I'm going to ask a quick icebreaker question And I get you to click on one of those options. It is not the question about pets The question is what kind of organization do you work in so we can get a better sense of who's on the call today? So we've got pretty good turn and we've got 87 percent voted. That's really good voter turnout guys Well done All right, I'm going to close the poll now if you haven't voted Don't worry no marks will be taken off at the end of the class and I will share the results with you so 38% of our attendees today are from local governments and 8% are from chambers of commerce and 54% are from the magical other welcome other Participants already so I'll hide that and get back to our presentations Here we go. So now that we know who you are Let's find out more about today's session as I mentioned This is the first in what will be a quarterly webinar series showcasing stories of economic development success from BC communities The BC ideas exchange is a platform for peer-to-peer learning and excellence in economic development Our economic development portal, which is that gov.bc.ca slash economic development We host a BC ideas story library for communities to share their success stories and how they've addressed economic development challenges The point is to discuss the lessons learned and your best practices We right now they have over 28 stories currently posted. We're adding to the collection all of time we're also expanding the BC ideas exchange into these interactive webinars and Panel discussions at local government area association meetings across the province Featuring innovative community success stories So if you're one of those local government people and you're off to your area association Conference in the next month look for us in the trade show area and look for us on your conference program The BC ideas exchange is intended as a place for peer-to-peer learning. It's about sharing success to inspire new ideas The case studies and this webinar are really about pulling out the parts of each story that can be transferable to other locations things like leadership lessons learned us practices promising practices that are new We don't know if they're best yet So by sharing these stories We're also learning from our end about what the conditions are factors for economic development success are and that helps us in the tech Innovation and economic development division to provide useful relevant and timely tools and resources to BC communities If you're interested in having your project or your initiative showcased as one of our BC ideas exchange stories or in an upcoming webinar Please send please send us an email to economic development at gov.bc.ca And we will be in touch to gather your story so in my past life, I was a instructional designer and Professor so everything I do has a learning objective So today's learning objectives if you listen well and participate In the Q&A here are the learning outcomes that we're aiming to achieve today as an attendee You will become quite familiar with the stories not just the facts But the stories behind the stories the leadership the logistics how the challenges were overcome and what it was really like to build these successes I encourage you to listen to the stories and think about how they relate to your own community projects You might not have a bunch of micro breweries lined up We're farmers needing to get their products to market But these stories can illustrate things like innovation and collaboration that you can apply in your own community But after each presentation there will be a Q&A time focused on that story And then we'll have a more open format discussion in the latter half of our session so please write down your questions and prepare to engage with your peers and I will remind you the webinar is being recorded So please don't share any personal information or anything that that is confidential and shouldn't be Shared this will get posted to YouTube in about a week's time Now and once again, I'm going to remind you before we go forward There will be pop quiz questions. So pay attention. Our kids might be on spring break, but we are still learning So today we're going to hear from and talk with representatives from two of our BC ideas exchange stories We have our webcams on I I hope we have our webcams on so I'll get them to oh, we might not have our webcams on Oh, you missed my webcam Hopefully that is on now We have We'll give a wave so you can see each of them in the webcam display This is our version of Hollywood squares So David much and Darby Marcellus are joining us from the coot needs and they'll be telling the story of fields forward and the Creston Valley Mobile press and Tim Savoie is the city manager from Port Moody and he'll be telling the story of Port Moody brewers row Here we go, so I'm going to turn over the screen and the presenter controls to David and Darby All right, I believe it's you there you go. Take it away Good afternoon everybody. I'm Dave much and I'm here with Darby Marcellus. We're going to go over Fields forward and the Cootney mobile press These are just our logos for fields forward and for the Cootney mobile press. It's an apple with a top coming out because we make juice so fields forward started in January 2016 we held a large forum in in Creston and Out of that, I'll give you a brief descriptions here fields forward is a food and agriculture initiative in the Creston Valley Cootney late From Yacht to Randall and Yacht in New Key. This includes regional district of Central Cootney areas A B and C which is Quite a large area. I'm not sure if people are familiar with where Creston is or the Creston Valley but We're about an hour from Nelson and about an hour from Crombrokers, Columbia and 10 minutes from the Idaho border So fields forwards and visions of vibrant productive local every food system that builds genuine community wealth by supporting and sustaining the community's environmental indigenous social cultural economic and aesthetic values Here's some more info to actualize the potential new systems are needed more food and farm activities Activity greater access to value-added opportunities. That's where the Cootney mobile press comes into play mechanisms to support existing and emerging farmers as everyone knows land values are Going up all over the province and it's becoming harder for people to Get into Agriculture and farming and value-added from these activities Reliable and context-appropriate education training and extension and flexible and dependable workforce development and attraction So as part of fields forward We are housed within Cootney employment services and they provide obviously employment services but they also have access to other grants and Initiatives that fields forward might not initially be Able to access and so we've partnered with them to get other opportunities for fields forward The goals of fields forward are increase economic development Encrested in district and food and farm sector create and maintain meaningful Sustainable local jobs in the farm and food economy develop locally appropriate food production processing storage distribution and sales And that will be touched on later on in the presentation Darby will Discuss that at length or a brief. We only have a few minutes and Pre-back improve access to healthy local food for all crested and district residents that is Including the Cootney Lake Yacht and yaki nuki areas support and arts and cultural community that celebrates Food and agriculture. So with these goals in mind After forming fields forward and it is a society now set up in that manner just for grants and funding that We can move forward easier on some initiatives, but these goals sort of formed our whole outlook on what we were wanting to achieve within Fields forward and the larger area So the increase economic development in Creston and district was in the farm sector Was we produce a lot of agricultural products in Creston? We have dairy farms livestock grains Tree fruits and we have have wineries as well. We don't produce a lot of one thing, but we're able to produce Something of everything and so how do we capitalize on this? And part of it is is that lots of people young people are growing up in Creston and they're leaving just because there are Certain opportunities for them to stick around either as as farmers or other professional jobs and so To try and increase vocal jobs within the farm and food economy We do need you know people that are food scientists or that are legal to help us, you know with certain aspects of Registering companies and and going forward in that direction Develop locally appropriate food production processing storage distribution and sales at this point Being situated where we are it's hard to get products out of Creston Just with local distribution. It is quite difficult as we are isolated and out of the way and improve access to healthy food for all local Residences is a main goal and we've had some success without partnering with other organizations within the community one of them being harvest share that goes out and harvest is excess produce from residents or farmers that Overproduction and they harvest it and distribute it to other organizations within the community such as the food bank or the women's shelter and other Locations including our first nations Supporting arts and culture community that celebrates food and agriculture this past year We celebrated Canada 150 and we had a group that we partnered with in town for Full plate and they held events all year for the 150 that included the food Local food and arts and bringing them together and having events for Canada day and and throughout the year that were promoting local Agricultural products including just fresh produce and meats, but also Processed products that had been made in the valley by either farmers or by Other people that are buying the produce and processing it themselves I'm gonna hand it over now to Darby and he will continue on more specifically about the Kootenai mobile press Hello, everyone. My name is Darby Marcellus. I'm the food venture a collaborative manager here for fields forward so we're here today to talk about the Kootenai mobile press which is a pretty big initiative that we started in 2016 we had a identical press that would come up from the Okanagan and and come up for two to four days and Process all these products for producers and orchardists and farmers to make into juice So what we found from the feedback of the producers is that they really wanted and required this service for longer than What the Okanagan service was able to provide? So we really had the demand and the scale of production to to require it for a longer period of time Through fields forward we began to apply for funding and develop a business strategy and model So that was that was quite an initiative to take on and begin on itself In 2017 we purchased the Austrian made cruise Meyer press Prior to the start of series cherry season, which was really really important to have that that actual Infrastructure in place before the cherry season start which is kind of like one of the main juices The the press would would provide as well as apple cider old-fashioned apple cider and other juices It's part of our community initiatives for value-added product waste stream reduction and employment It generated a lot of theater and a lot of attention And it stirred quite a lot in the community for in a quite a positive way The press is able to produce juice or cider That's an old-fashioned cider Directly on location typically on the farms orchards or wherever the producer is pasteurize it and then pack it into a bag in a box Product or pouches, which is good for up to one year shelf stable So some of the facts really quickly we were able to divert over 200,000 pounds of fruit from the landfill and Processed it into juice so I was with some organizations as Dave mentioned the harvest share We were able to divert a lot of cherry juice away from the landfill It also as a byproduct of the the machine produces the cherry apple mash Which we were able to disperse to local farmers for feed We pressed over 29,000 liters of cherry juice And we were able to print press over 340,000 pounds of apples and to just shy of under 90,000 liters of apple cider The CUNY mobile press has helped farmers produce juice jam ciders vinegars wines and more including Dave here who happens to have his own orchard and then over 105 liter boxes were distributed and donated to local schools or food hampers Which is pretty significant given the scale of schools and now we've just got a few pictures of the The mobile press for you to take a look at so as you can see it's it's contained within a Single unit which is a trailer and we pull it behind a pickup truck to location these pictures here are from when we held a community press event and All the apples were donated by local producers and then the juice was donated to the schools and to Christmas food hampers within the community There's a picture of the mash now that's the apple mash that's produced as a byproduct of the juice that we'd be making as it was mentioned that was dispersed to local farmers for animal livestock feed as well It was experimented last year with production of fruit leather gummies and various Fruit spreads. So there is a there is a value added on top of the value added Which was pretty significant last year given the quantities produced and just another slide here from the press desk we were lucky that we had a Beautiful day on the left hand side. You can see there's a bin up in the air Getting dumped into the hopper the apples or fruit get washed and they go up the conveyor and they get Chopped up and then they eventually get get pressed and we did this at a Thanksgiving Just to have more people available to to see what was actually happening visiting town and you're really able to see the full scale of it going directly from the apples into Pasteurizer and bagger and into boxes within one contained unit So, you know, it's pretty unique considering you could be drinking a cherry or apple juice that was made packaged and labeled the two blocks away and another advantage of the of the mobile press and and the name is kind of misleading we always say juice and cider and liquids, but there are opportunities to use the press for vegetables for the local producers so that they can do, you know, vegetable soups or Or something like that as well as we can use the pasteurizer to make even bone broths for Soup stock, which is hopefully going to be utilized this year by other producers that are vegetable mainly vegetable production that they can make a Tomato soup or make ketchup or something along those lines And then lastly the Cooney Farms. So the Cooney Farms is a cooperative We're forming with hopes to promote the Cooney Farms branding individual producers can utilize this for marketing labeling distribution and aggregation, so it's a cooperative we're hoping to form going forward and Yeah, we'll turn it over to any questions Susan, it helps if I unmute myself, right? Yeah, yeah Great, and I'm just working on getting my screen back here PowerPoint slide show excellent. Okay, so thank you. That is That's just really cool. It's very fascinating what you can do with one piece of equipment those very clever Austrians so before I get started with the Q&A is actually I I'm gonna do as I promised and give a pop quiz to our audience because Yes, I said I would do that and so I'm gonna launch a poll right now for people to to respond to It's up on your screen How many pounds of fruit are diverted from the landfill Hopefully people are paying attention a whole lot is one of the options They're also true the correct answer. All right, we've got seventy five eighty one percent voter turnout. This is fabulous 88% all right, 94% have voted. This is great. Okay, I'm gonna close the poll you this is your last chance three two One I'm gonna close the poll and I'm gonna share the results. This is how people voted David Darby, what's the right answer? It's the top one two hundred thousand pounds. That's right. Thank you. Awesome. Okay, so We've got a one question in from the audience and then I've got a few more questions Can you talk a bit more about the development of the Kootenai Farm co-op? Are there documents that you can share about that? Where can people find out more about that? We just registered within the lab within the first part of this month as a Kootenai Farms Cooperative so we're We've had Elizabeth Quinn is on our team as well And she did all the research on how to set this up and we registered Kootenai Farms Cooperative as a for-profit and We reviewed a bunch of different models within British Columbia and even in the United States to see what worked well and what didn't work and There was a number of reasons why some were successful and some weren't and so we tried to we waited wait out the pros and the cons of this and We've come up with our our model and it's going to be Different than than other models, but we've tried to pick the best parts that we could find from the other Organizations that we looked at to get to this point Moving forward, we will be selling memberships and taking a commission off of each sale that is Completed through the co-op and it's going to take on many different forms of how we market and sell Individual products through the co-op and Derby can touch on that yeah, and Part of that is having me Kootenai Farms brand which enables a lot of producers to come under one universal brand if they choose and then to share in the labels and the marketing and the research and the food safety science behind it and then we're able to collectively come together and distribute products and we're hoping to Also get this brand beyond the Valley's reach As you can imagine with all that juice being produced in the Valley with increscent There's quite a saturation of the apple cider and cherry product But outside of the Valley that a band is still very high and a lot of producers struggle with putting in the time effort money and And just general energy into getting their products out in the outside markets Part of the reason for picking the name Kootenai Farms is that the Kootenai's are more recognizable than Preston and we would hope to expand to include East and West Kootenai as well and part of this Going forward after we have a successful year Great. A couple more questions have come up This Kootenai Farms idea is this just for growers And how will quality and reproducibility be kept across the brand? So it's it's not just for for farmers It will be we hope well farmers being produced, but we also hope to include the Livestock producers as well as we do have a locally operated Abattoir that does Tattle and that we also and other livestock and we have a separate Abattoir that does poultry The problem with including the meats right now is the transportation of the meats and the temperature and making sure that it stays it To require temperatures set out by the the ministry, but for People that are processors that are taking maybe the byproducts are producing something else We hope to include the the Kootenai farms either as Darby said is a generic brand to put on the products Or you become a member and you're able to brand your products if you meet the requirements of the production and processing of the Kootenai farms and then the second question was about sorry food safety Yeah, how do you keep the quality and think how do you keep it consistent across the brand if you've got different producers? I think we're going to work with we have some local food food safety specialists Has that? Compliancy gap Compliancy we have to look at all that when creating the cooperative and we have to start There's a lot of talk in the industry right now about creating a food hub or food hub model So that would have to be it's in the strategic phase right now, but it would have to be discussed whether we have Existing infrastructure or we're going to build infrastructure and then going forward having there were suggestions all across the board like Brokers or broker like scenario, but that's the quality And the consistency have to be there in order for the brand to succeed and food safety and quality would be number one And a good example would be looking at the couch and co-op where they have theirs more as a Online presence for their co-op and they have it so that each producer is listed and Being a buyer you get to go in and if you want organic lettuce You get the organic lettuce producer that you want to purchase from and our theory is that then we have a Central aggregation area where you bring in the producers bring their stuff in then it gets distributed from there So the consumer still has the ability to pick and choose if they can't get out To the their producer they can still have it delivered from their producer through the co-op Oh, okay cool a couple of quick questions here How many members do you need to make do you need in the Kootenai co-op to make the project viable? Is there a break even level that you're aiming for? There There is a break even Right now we're lucky that we do have at this point We have the funding for fields forward for another year So having that we do have paid staff as I said we have myself Darby and Elizabeth and Elizabeth joins us from the BC Association of farmers markets used to be the executive director So it's kind of our feather in the cap right now is having Elizabeth with us but our like I said our Benefit right now is that we have funding for this year From fields forward from when we initially were given the funding three years ago That we can move forward on on this initiative and to make it profitable Will be from the membership fees that we collect and from the commission of the sales Oh nice segue because my next question is what are the fees for using the mobile press? Okay, so it's a fee for service. It is a fee for service It's dependent on whether we're operating within the Creston Valley and and the districts surrounding districts Or we're going to other communities. So last year we were able to service So can for a community press fest. They called it We're able to go up the lake to Crawford Bay for a press fest there Which included a lot of elementary schools and we were able to to as the pictures showed have a Creston press fest in town So the fee structure is a little bit different dependent on where where your region is Sometimes if the producers larger will just mobilize on their on their farm on their location and and solely press their product Other times will have a more of a community gathering where we'll mobilize in one agreed upon spot And then the producers can come in with their products and it's sort of a shared day between everyone So the fee structure is dependent on what product you're producing whether it's cherry cider We have some people looking at Saskatoon varies this year And it's dependent on where the location is and volume, of course So people just contact you and you work out the Questions we just finished our fee structure for this year. Okay because packaging shipping Labor and of course everything else involved has to be taken into account and last last year was our first year in operation Very successful. We met a lot of the targets that were were pretty high on the strategy and model But at the same time we did learn some things from last year and we want to make sure it's efficient for this year to benefit everyone Cool. All right. Well, we'll come back to you. I'm sure there'll be more questions for fields forward I'm gonna turn it over now to Tim and have our other presentation and then we can have more questions after that. Thanks guys All right Switching gears here. I will unmute Tim and I will give him the stage Tim. Are you ready? I'm ready. Awesome. I don't see my there we go. Yeah, come in your way Okay, let's see if it would get at the work Thanks everybody for the questions by the way typing them in there and when we get to the end if we still have time I'll let you guys also raise your hands and See if we can get a conversation going it all depends on how much time we have At the end here and whether I can manage that many users on the webinar. All right, Tim take it away Hey, thank you. Do you see my screen? Okay, everything's good. You sure can Yep, so thanks a lot Susan for inviting us to participate today They thanks David and Darby. That was great. I really enjoyed that. That's fascinating what I'm gonna be talking about today is Port Moody's Brewer roll and Before we get too far into the like to set the contacts in terms of a little bit about us So we're we're located if people watching know where we are. We're located about 25 kilometers from downtown Vancouver and Essentially at the head of the Brewer Inlet we're an older industrial city incorporated in the early 1900s 1913 and At one point we were the terminus of CP rail Unfortunately, I went to Vancouver after that but Certainly with it with its industrial kind of remnants following its move on move moving to Vancouver So historically we're in an industrial town port railway sawmills oil refineries steel and chemical plants and we had Electricity generating plant and that's changing So like like many cities adjusting to the economy, we're we're now more of a Waterfront community Made up of a number of mixed-use neighborhoods that I can I can talk about that if people are interested in the end We have a population about 34,000 people anticipated to grow about 50,000 people based on our regional plan and Our population has doubled over the past three decades ten of which I ask of those director planning here at the city So we have a wide range of businesses now across all sectors We're fortunate to have a rapid transit line delivered to us by the region Connecting us to the rest of the city and the region Last a year ago December which has had some impacts and it's probably another discussion for another women webinar And we have an interesting population almost two-thirds of our residents age 15 and older possess post-secondary certificate of Blomar degree, so we have a highly educated population I mentioned we in 2016 we had the opening of a rapid transit line here in Port Moody and It really was was long awaited by many people We a lot of our planning had done had been done around this potential for for arriving and what it's done No, it's it's brought a number of people to our city for events like Canada Day Rivfest and car free day So it's been incredible for our local business businesses ridership is surpassed what Translate anticipated Happening so Monday to Friday. We're getting about 4,000 people entering onto the train from both of our stations and You see that number quadruple in terms of activity during events. So people are coming to our events in our parks by sky train We are Essentially one of the larger employers in Port Moody this graph shows the top employers In 2014 the top six employers employed roughly 2,500 people, which is almost one-third of our jobs So a little bit about Brewer's Road. So the city While we we really enjoy it and who doesn't like talking about beer Really the city was not the impetus for this. This was generated by entrepreneurs private the private sector what our role is and I'll explain that is we were Hopeful hopefully there's others view it this way Facilitating what their vision and I can I can go into exactly what that was as we move for the presentation So it's all started in 2014 with two breweries opening up very close to one another on Murray Street For those that don't know what Murray Street is. It's a historically light industrial area Right across the street from a significant Park Airport with Iraqi Point Park, which is our flag for our flagship park Even though it's a municipal park it serves as a regional Facility certainly on the weekend so this is right across the street from there and This zone from a planning perspective if there's any planners in the audience was very flexible in terms of what it permitted But with that said there were some adjustments. I'll talk about it. You move forward so started in 2014 with yellow dog and Moody Ailes and Year later twin sales opened up and then most recently the Parkside brewery So I'll talk a little bit about each of these breweries So you have a bit of a context before we talk about the tools that we we use to help them get their business up and running So when the yellow dog approached the city in 2014 our staff were quite keen on participating with them and helping them to understand and needs of what they need to do from a city perspective and from a provincial perspective and Our staff took a really weird. We're a small organization here for Moody and we took a hands-on approach In terms of how we could facilitate their building permits and the improvements that were required in this instance Moody Ailes opened the same year Brainchild of a local home brewer Adam Crandall and Dan Helmer. They opened the doors shortly after So and I'll keep I'll keep going so what's this happened? There was a recognition that there was something special happening here in the city. There's two breweries close to one another And I'll talk about how they collaborated in terms of the way they approached us Once once our city once council saw how this relationship was happening Council wanted to assist with that so they explicitly identified Supporting the retention and creation of the micro breweries and their strategic plan at the election after the election So they were council was clear in terms of us supporting this business with the understanding that this would help deepen our diversity our economic diversity here in the city So twin fails open in 2015 twin brothers Cody and Clay all men They they showcase their beer in their tasting room right next door to yellow dog Which and if you visit and I encourage anyone that's watching to come and visit this area It's quite unique all walking distance to one another And what you'll see is cooperative cooperation between all the breweries where people they're sharing patrons throughout the evening The success of this brewery speaks for itself. And they just recently received the innovator of the year award at the 2017 BC beer awards and the last edition of parkside brewery Was captained by a long-term industry proverne lamborn and this the space is right across through from from our park Rocky Point Park and Very attractive facility with dog friendly patio So there's a lot of people that spend time, you know after local events here at this brewery so What were the keys to success of from our perspective? This this was a private industry Initiatives, but what we could do is help them sort of get through the the requirements and the and the approval here at city hall so we Our council also funded the bc ale trail marketing campaign There's a video that I I've asked Susan to include at the end of this you can have a look at that That highlights not only the breweries but other local businesses so one thing we have noticed and It's not hard to see by going down to the breweries and you'll see this in the video is that it attracts a number of people from a number of different demographic sort of sectors sectors of the community And it really is welcoming to all of those It's not gone unnoticed. It's picked has been picked up by a number of local papers the tri-city news the west ender The hives Vancouver scout magazine and even global news and the le times which ran a story about about this area So what did we do our council recognized the need to help support these these breweries? and with that By including it as an initiative in the strap plan we were able our staff were able to So to get behind this wholeheartedly our building staff were closely with the breweries dealing with their cold compliant issues And we have no doubt that the the solutions maintain a high level of life safety for all occupants As they were becoming more successful The city was authorizing associated Approvals to facilitate sort of their success. So for example the food truck discussion. There was a realization that there was a need for food and We ended up doing a number of things along the way to assist with the The ability at least for the availability for trucks to be there without breaking any of our bylaws The liquor licensing regulation changed along the way allowing more patio seating So we responded with our Temporarily council approved some temporary permits to allow the season to be utilized and allow the Paddios to be grown and then followed up with a with a permanent amendment once the summer season was done So it really is it was a bit of an iterative process But one where we were all working together for success So I talked a little bit about the dc ale trail marketing council approved fifteen thousand dollars towards this initiative and Of course, we continue to collaborate with the with the industry and with the Owners as we're moving through this process when you look at the stats of how much Well, you'll see the video. You'll see why it was very popular it was picked up of course on social media and Was one of one of the more more popular web pages I mentioned the web the web the media coverage from the li times already And they have great they have great fear so that ends my My discussion, but if susan wouldn't mind queuing the video that would be great and then happy to answer questions after that All right, tim. Uh, this this will be a first for the economic development webinar series I'm going to change the presenter back to me and then use the uh, the go-to webinar beta features to show you this This video and Now we're back to q&a time. So I've uh, I've actually got a couple of questions for you tim viewers may not know that in my other life I slip into a telephone booth and I change into A local government counselor in the township of squimalt. So I'm really interested in How local governments facilitate things? So I want to ask you tim. What did the city planning department think when all these breweries started opening up? That's a great question and I and I couldn't say because I was director of planning at that time and uh, they love the idea It was well, it was like We hadn't you know, of course the craft brewery Industry was happening a bit in the in the region But when it was interesting port moody in this specific location, we were very excited about the opportunity So it wasn't a hard sell in terms of convincing, you know staff that it was a great idea to support it Little little did we know how many there would be, you know, when we first had the first application, but it was really well received by the city and council really Came on board really quickly up to the second one That they realized it was something special It's the location of the of the breweries really is so close to the park That synergy is created between the two Are amazing in the summertime. In fact, we we have we we've had a few like Very boring but technical issues of installing a traffic light and I'm having flaggers there during peak seasons Simply because there's so many people down there that Have to be cautious Yeah, and on that note, I've got a I've got a pop quiz as promised for each presentation for those of you who Have found another screen to look at while you're listening Come on back and I'm going to launch this this pop quiz What kind of local government statues were involved in making this a reality? You can answer more than one on this poll Uh Come on back You can pick more than one There is more than one correct answer here. In fact, I think they may there may only be one That wasn't officially included in tim's presentation And I meant to fact check this actually because for all I know it is in there, but uh There we go. We're getting great voter turnout See the the secret is for you you folks at home as I can actually tell if you're looking at the webinar screen or not So when I see the the inattentiveness turning right, so I throw a pop quiz at you Bring you back. All right. Uh, we've got 93 voted. I think that's pretty good. I'm going to close the poll and Share it with everyone and tim you get to you get to provide the answer. So, uh, actually, I don't know if you can see the poll. Can you Yeah, I can see it. Um, I think Your hit was good. It's it's actually all of them. But like you say the only one I didn't specifically talk about or imply Was the ocp. Um, but you're you'd be right actually every single one of those is right Yeah, there's a lot that goes into uh to supporting this So that brings me to my next question and I see if we've got one in the questions as well But I'm going to ask mine first because it's it's down the line of local government still How did port moody tread the line between promoting this concept and not giving assistance to individual businesses? Because that's something that a local government can't do Absolutely, that's a very good question. So we are not by law allowed to support A private business, but in our case what our processes focused around We're simply facilitating their idea. So facilitating the things they needed their building permit approvals and other type of supporting Not supporting in terms of financial supporting, but Sort of facilitating them and helping them through what some perceivers red tape or approval processes. So that that was our role The the advertising campaign was intended and that was that that was a public That wasn't one specific business So it was more of the sector and more economic in general that we we contributed counsel contributed that money towards So you're right. We cannot support any specific local business rather it was intended to To look at the the whole sector And so the facility really where we could in terms of approvals cool, cool So the question we have From the audience is what is the average startup cost for a craft brewery? Don't know if you know this And I don't know that answer But certainly if I at the end of this People can send me an email and I can actually I can actually put them in touch with some of the brewers that are interested I'm not sure they would how much they'll share But they are one thing I have found though is between the four of them. They're very Cooperative in terms of their uh, their approach to the city And I think that's what made it easy for us as well as it wasn't competing It was a very cooperative They come to the city for for an ass and it would be for all of them equally It wouldn't be for one like one try to take advantage of the patio rules Simply they were they were cooperating in terms of their approach with us Cool. Thanks. Um, and one more question before I open it back up to the both stories How did the public react to this in any in any uh Municipality or local government context you're going to have pros and cons Did they show up at council meetings? You know where they're for and against groups Um, that's a good that's a good question too And that's the norm approach when you you'll get people on both sides of an issue Each sharing their views this this one's very one-sided In terms of people being in favor of it. There are no immediate residents Near these businesses. There's there's other other like industrial type uses So it didn't have the same interface issues that we experience elsewhere for you know residential and commercial projects Yeah, so I would say this has been embraced by the community And every time we're making a just an adjustment through our council process There was very little discussion from outside of the community Quite frankly, there was there's a lot of support Great, great. Um, and okay, so we have a question from Stephanie and she wants to know how did the city adopt This yes attitude to help the breweries and get over any planning obstacles or meet the building requirements I think I think it all starts with the the council's strategic plan So the fact that council sees this as a priority A broader community priority. It's easy for staff. So my job is operationalized there. Uh, the strap plan Um, so simply if if you have a staff and important moody has a great is a great city We are really customer focused So it's not really hard once you have a strategic sort of foundation Then you have the need and the desire to help. It's very easy to get staff behind it Great. Uh, okay, so I'm gonna unmute David and Darby again and Get things started and this is sort of a more of a freefall. You guys can ask each other questions if you want Um, I I have a couple of questions um again coming from You know economic development and local government at the same time For both of the stories I want you to ask to tell me where did the leadership come from to get this into action We'll let tim go first and then copy his answer In my case it was funny because I I think you know What we have to be careful of is us the city's trying to take credit for the the initiative of the breweries This was uh entrepreneurs with a great idea Uh, the vision that it was in the right location So what we did is we facilitated the early discussion and then of course This the three questions specifically about council that sets the strategic correction To uh to allow us to sort of put what we need this with the shoulder behind it and push forward Plus, it's it's hard to not like beer So It's not hard to convince people's a great idea. Yeah, I guess the days of prohibition are long gone David starving for for us the uh We sort of had an official community plan But we also had one for the whole region which is you know encompasses a large area And the number one priority that came out of it from the residents was uh agriculture and so with with that information we were able to A group was formed a steering committee and the fields forward initiative was born Then we had a big symposium in 2016 in january and then out of that a Impact team was made which is sort of like a board of directors, but we called it an impact team And they sort of took ownership and leadership of the initiative Moving forward and the first big project was the the press and then we got funding from Our regional district directors plus other parts of the federal and local government, you know the town of Creston has been overly supportive in the initiative. So So that's where we're at and we just Registered as a society. So now we have actual directors on that board Okay, cool Uh, are there any moments where you thought? Oh, no, this could all go horribly wrong Things are falling on the wheels are falling off the bus Every day Right For us they're falling off the press. Um But uh, you know, it's it's as as things evolve it's New challenges and changes and in a whole set of other problems to deal with as more people become interested or want to utilize the Equipment for have other ideas that how do we accommodate these these changes that are happening and still keep functioning on a daily basis I haven't seen anything pop up in my tenure ship here that that's been a A big challenge. There's been small small challenges or opportunities as we like to call them and and and and they're pretty basic in terms of having a good leadership and And having an open dialogue and then moving forward with what we decide Great Tim any uh-oh moments Oh I was trying to think as you uh, you asked a question. I I don't think so I think the the one thing that we realize is the success of the breweries is it's becoming a bit of a culture When when you go down there, you you're seeing people from all over the region now that that do come here So it's things that we have to worry about and uh and consider in terms of pedestrian safety So and parking the success of course is uh, also what makes some of the challenges happen So, yeah, it's a great it's a great thing at this point It supports our park, you know in terms of the parks and stuff that we do because in the summertime Of course there's a lot of activities happening in our in rocky park park So this everything is complimentary and the video was great because it showed other Other businesses as well that brought up when ice cream and others that are are highlighted there. So from a You know from a oh no standpoint The only thing I would say is the more successful to become the more we have to be cautious about You know what the impacts in terms of uh safety for people Good. Yep. Good point um, are there Any lessons you learned or things you might do differently if you were going to do this all again Tim, I'll let you go first this time Okay, uh, I think I would say no because the the process was somewhat iterative in terms of uh, Responding to changing circumstances. So you know provincial legislation change in terms of the liquor laws We had to deal with that so it it um in a way I think it was great we were able to sort of support them Temporarily, you know in terms of their patio sizes and uh while at the same time They weren't they weren't they weren't going to lose a season So I think I would say no I think it had to happen this way just because of the fact that nothing is static and things are changing As you as you're working through these processes He asked the specific owners. They might have some different ideas because I wasn't involved specifically with They were doing but uh, yeah, no, I don't think so. Okay David army same same for us um You know, I'm sure we we could have done some things a little bit different But we still would have ended up at the same point where we are and so You know as a project Progresses and moves along. There's obviously things that you think you could have done differently but the end goal remains the same and so at this point we wouldn't Go back to the drawing board and say oh, we should have done this or we should have done that but it Uh, you know with any project it it seems like 90% of the work gets done in the last 10% of the time you have for your deadline so You know, we were probably could have done more earlier on to get organized for the arrival of the equipment but it arrived and we got going when we had to so It's uh, it's part of project management on that side of it. Right. Nothing ever happened if it wasn't for the last minute If it wasn't for a deadline Yes, indeed. All right. Well, um, audience This is your chance if you want to type a question into that question box or use the Go-to webinar raise hands feature. I'll see you and I can unmute you and you can ask your question or you can type it in if you want to Give a couple minutes. Let's see. I I'm gonna ask one more question while our audience is thinking and then We can move on so this is the last question Uh, what was your favorite moment? What is the moment that just made you feel like? Yes, we're doing it in this project if you can pick one. I'm sure there's many Try and think of one moment Um, well for me when I came on when the project the waste diversion was one of the largest Are just aspects that really really hit me in the side of the head and said this project is is doing more than just making juice and working with harvest share and uh giving giving uh hampers to community community organizations that really Really appreciated in a requirement those two things can really set apart The day-to-day feeling of it to make it something greater than than even the project. So Great. Thanks. And I think from my perspective, I think it's uh, it's when when the owners come to council as a as a collective Uh in full collaboration, uh cooperation and then and then the community not only is embracing their ideas that we're able to adjust based on their needs. So I Somewhat, you know, it's although as boring as it is. It's not always a case in terms of when we see applications that come before council Consideration, it's not always harmonious. So this case is great. And uh, and the other thing is uh, I would say my my my most recent one is up there last last week The culture is absolutely amazing in terms of what these uh, these businesses upgraded down there. So it's a great It's a great great number of businesses Great. Thanks guys Okay, well, I've got uh, thank you to to david and darby and tim I've got a couple of our more announcements before I let you all go Next webinar, we've got april 5th 12 o'clock 2015 bring your lunch again It's we're talking about using rv parks and campgrounds in your community tourism strategy and so we're going to have A couple of speakers actually we'll have four speakers. It'll be a busy busy session Someone from stave west recreation area in mission and someone from incoming resort in the soya's first nation talking about how their campground and recreational areas tie into their community's tourism strategy and uh, So the the register I I can't actually share a link easily So I thought I'd shorten it to something really easy to use and write down here. 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We've now done four of these Two of them were in the kootenays And two of them have been on the island just this past week These are sessions where you get everyone a group of people together from your community All different parts of the system in the room to talk about tech and innovation in your community And it's a really sort of a hyper local look at what's happening in your tech and innovation ecosystem You can look at how do you use tech and innovation as an economic development driver? So we will come and host these in your community. All you need to do is provide the venue And we bring out the people and the knowledge. We hope that you will help us invite the right people as well After this webinar once we close out you'll get an email with a link to a feedback survey Please fill it out. 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For joining this presentation and I will try to share a concept about what I call this web of twins So it's more an experimentation than a Established project So first who am I so I'm a software engineers and I have been a long time a software Free open source software user and I started to contribute Like 20 years ago now and I was I had the opportunity to join some industry and open source project Like Tyson I was doing some contribution for Intel at the time and then I moved to Samsung to work more on IOT and Currently I'm open for any kind of cooperation of sponsorship or I have to think about what can I am to do in the future? but anyway first let me just Introduce the concept of what is a digital twin so in a year 2000 and when I was a student I hacked something which was very close to this Concept, but I didn't know it so I made us some kind of Puppets you are you have in 3d in a VRM early in the browser and I was working with people Puppeters we have some kind of sensor and we are trying to animate the the puppet over the web. So it was a Nice demonstration there was no real market for this But it was possible at that time But it was not using any open source thing. So now is the thing that change and I will explain why so the concept itself is has been well promoted by the Researcher from Florida Institute of Technology and he described as a digital replica of physical entity and The specific is the specific surface at that both are somehow connected So if you move the 3d model for instance, it will have an effect of the rear World object and the same in the opposite way so from this you can have some kind of New service to to design application so you can do some simulation, of course You can use this as a design stage of the product of the device You are trying to consider and you can try to think about what kind of IPI is this thing can be can share to the others and trying to Establish new services, even if you don't have the product So it's a part of the product life management and it's quite interesting because it can When sometimes you have some delay due to production of sourcing you can work on let's say the poor version of the device of the thing you want to work with and It's quite popular now in the industry when people want to do some simulation of an production line and so on Instead of building the whole thing you can try to get some simulation and see how it behaves and if you are configuring or altering a bit You can get some early feedback without any cost and then cities also is a in the domain that can be useful. Yeah so before going on I want to and find some ethical consideration because Large-scale deployment of Digital twins can be problematic. Yeah, we knew we have now a lot of many issue with social media private information Private communication and so on so if we do if we start try to do to duplicate the world in the digital world Maybe we'll try to have some ethical Consideration from the beginning though. So don't wait for a problem to find solution. Maybe you just need to design your system and trying to avoid problems. So one thing interesting recently is that European regulation as recommendation a strong recommendation for system designer to handle privacy by design and by default So I believe that's it's an opportunity not to miss from open source communities because Privacy is part of our DNA. We are somehow users. So we know that Everything should remain private other when it's possible. So we I think it's something where we can Give us answers to this kind of future problem So now let's talk about The web it's a design for enter our ability that's for sure and it's a it's was it's a huge Achievement because today we are still able to browse these websites that been Designed maybe 20 or 25 years ago and it's from a solar you can connect everything to the web. So that's The base to do something it has now a really good 3d support It was not the case when I made this puppet we are you need to add some kind of plugins and so on it was a bit Boiler plate. Now you have a web GL inside the browser. This means you have a good performance because it's working directly on the GPU so making in games in a browser is totally frisable and Yeah privacy is one of the Feature of the browser. So you have some kind of process in isolation in the browser So that's something interesting for the previous slide and next people in a IOT and specifically the W3C. We are specifying specifying protocol and so on they propose some There's some recommendation to design IOT system without reinventing the wheel but by adjusting existing standard So we have like HTTP G-Zone, G-Zone LD and WebSocket and this kind of Technology is still applied to IOT and Modzilla made an implementation of this web of things concept and the selling Point of this project is making a home platform a smart home platform To give users the control of their device. So they are handling privacy from the beginning of the project so device and Get away are working together into user Network so there is no leakage possible no Data logging and so on so the Software itself is providing some UI to control all those things to connect them together to establish some behavior and Also, you have extra features that you can connect to your home gateway remotely Share some resource one per one if you select to share Let's say a door to some members of your family you can do this And it has been designed to be flexible and to be Support new plugins and new features. So that's the platform I've been working on so But web things now are dumb device that's connecting to the gateway, but they are using a basic HTTP Protocol so it's based on rest and they are describing all the resource using a Modzilla schema. It's Simplified version of what the W3C is doing But basically same it's a set of properties to describe the thing is that the home button I can turn in on and off some level if I want to adjust the volume of the lamp of whatever and some action if you want to give instruction to your device like okay faders the brightness of your lamp slowly and then turn it off for instance and also receive some events from device so But if you want to implement simple things you can just focus on properties So security is under advice a gateway. So this mean if you want to share the outside this gateway is Ex giving some rest API with tokens so you don't have direct access to the device you need to get identified somehow and Yeah, that's it So for instance, I made a very minimalist example I call it a smart home example, but actually it has only one thing inside This is just a solar panel on the top. So it's just a simulator so you can try it it's open source and What you see on this Description you have some ID to identify and the properties as I just mentioned and a link for each properties And then you can put some you can get the value or put the value using Get or post request it was straightforward So now if we want to To address the problem of a visa is anything the things so I just mentioned about the WebGL for G for the Accelerated graphics and now lately we have a new specification called a web XR Which is an evolution of web the how we used to have a couple of Years ago. I think this was he was showing just before and now it's more Unified and it's support in augmented reality use case and To do Some application you can use a frame framework, which is very very simple So 3d is not something it used to be something really complicated But now you can do this as easy as writing an HTML page in JavaScript. So there is a basic one you just import the library and Describe a structure of different element and you can bind with this. So here is a sphere on the on Inside it so So then something interesting is a GTLF format So it's a format made for delivering 3d content to the web It has been proposed by the Cronus group who was in charge of open GL and also 3d 3d formats and It's basically it's just a structure in G zone describing the same graph of each element of the Of the content and it's already supported in a blender 3d So that's really interesting because if you have to work with designer probably they will not Describe all their world by writing HTML 5 HTML a frame tags that I will use a tool so here is an example with the This GTLF Outputs so what you see in the background, maybe it's a bit dark, but there is a blinking piece on the on the roof on the right which is simulating the value of the my solar panel, so if there is a Lot of Sun you get higher value and you can simulate this and What I'm showing in this example is that you have a direct bindings between the description from the web thing so the physical thing that really is a the actual device and The same description is aligned to the GTLF format. So if I'm here what I'm doing in this I'm just updating the value So if the value move physically like from a sensor it will Access to the DOM tree of the web of the web page and change some attributes Now if you want to do something more physical so something real I made a DIY Smart home of this size so it's like a toy and I really I made a my solar panel with a With a you know the garden nymph you can find for super cheap in the outside You can you just plug this directly to a microcontroller or board and you get some Basics of what a smart home with a solar panel will work and it's running a JavaScript on the microcontroller so you can then expose all the resource using the web thing API for IOTJS which is a tiny JavaScript runtime made for low-end the GPT microcontroller and also I made also a module for dealing with sensors So here is demonstration, but I can try to make a live demo so Just reloading Connectivity is not that fast. I'm not sure it will work, but Okay, so what you see on the corner here is is a camera I have on top of my desk and there is a small robot here So I can control different units. So here is a light for instance, so I can change the value and The robot here is described from so it's just a set of motor and you cannot adjust different angles So let me show you It's running in the right time. So so what you see in In the top is the actual thing and the BOLO is a Virtual one made with a frame. It's not a one-to-one model It's it's not the same because I made it by my own and I found that It can be a bit challenging to have exactly the same system because if there is some mechanical instruction Oh here. I'm showing some the rule system when you can Change the attribute of the physical things depending on some context and so so There is the same rule in the opposite direction So when I'm pressing on the on-button, it will move forward and if I'm turning it off It's with good backward. So as you can see it's updated in the same time. It's not there is no smooth animation Oh, yeah, I put a sensor on the head of my Of my robot and I'm measuring The color of what I see in front of me. So if I change the color of the light, yeah, it's updated in a sensor So this is a one use case also I made a 3d version of my dashboard So this is not the actual thing. This is just abstract widgets in 3d and below it can interact exactly the same so you can Be in some kind of immersive world and interact with it and it has the same effect in reality So maybe it can be useless for many Any cases, but if you are considering you are you have a robot somewhere on some planet in a space And you want to control it. It's more maybe from an Environment which is immersive is better, but more versitically when you have very small mechanical parts that fit in a very very restricted Space having having the ability to scale it to larger level and to see and look around how does it behave can be also something interesting Yeah I think I have another demonstration here Oh, yeah, this one is about using sensor Oh, but maybe I handle more questions later So yeah, so what I have on the screen is a it's a It's a 3d scene which is just a light bulb and it's updating accordingly to what the sensor is showing So it's working the browser and browsers now are working in a vr ad set So you can you have done you don't need to create a specific application. You can Have something so sorry for the quality of this video, but what I wanted to show is that Uh, I can make also standalone application here. I made a link and if you look at what I'm clicking This is the address of my web thing. So I can get direct access to the To the sensor and then it will update in my 3d view. So it's not it's vr now I think yeah, we made a version with a here at the same time So yeah, the application is portable. You don't need to deploy it to a store You don't need to to under a specific SDK. That's the premise of the web. Well, but that's the theory because in practice most of Vr vendors I'm using extension and some So yeah, here I'm controlling Some led and all the widget I'm having action on now updated in a In a vr world also. So what am I doing here? is okay turning on Uh A fan. Yeah, it's off And I think yeah, I also a smart outlet Um Here is a switch so I can So it's the same switch we have in uh dashboard can be also integrated for the 3d world and it's having effect in the same time So yeah So the beauty of this demonstration is that I use a modular Um schemas and it's generic enough to describe all kind of things You don't need to have to do something specific if you have to deal with billion numbers and so on It will work for a wide wide range of devices So yeah, the same in 3d here So yeah, if there is any question, I would be happy to give any hints So I'm sure there will be questions because not everything was Self-evident, especially when you discover all the possibilities. So let's start with the first question rather By the way, you forgot your laptop. Yeah, it's okay. You get to I think yeah Oh, this is another demonstration. I can show it's only a minute So yeah, I made this robot and uh, so first time made a web thing of just the motor A server motor where I can adjust the angles and it I was updating a airframe So as soon as I had this Working it was straightforward to To animate a tree a real robot with four motors. It works for one. It works for four So here is a 3d version of it where you can look around it as I said previously So anyway, it's a proof of concept so far I made it I'm very modular. So if you want to build things you can just pick some specific components and you can build something else And it always opens also. I need to share you the links Okay, I I was just wondering Which part was the the most challenging one the most challenging part of the project Okay, thanks. So you said what was the most challenging part of this? Yes. Okay I would say that Uh to identify the wrong person to to introduce me to this kind of technology So this story started actually one year ago in this room when we met together And we had some kind of a different approach of something common and we met again In my home city, right in France and we started to act together something in and in less than a day We we we we established the both way direction from sensor to really to To 3d and back and forth. So that's we got pretty fast results. That's for sure And to answer the question No major difficulties, but when you are dealing with iot device, it's not very reliable for instance So this robot is made of form. It's like a toy. Actually you can buy it for A couple of euros and it's sometimes it gets stuck and so on, but Pop-up, but I think it's not a problem. It's not something you're running in production So if you want to build something real like physical device Yeah, reliability of the device is uh, it's just it's a full full-time job. Yeah Here it's a research and development project. Yeah Do you have any plans to use? Other robots that are low cost robots, but A little bit, you know better than yeah Yeah, so the question is If I have any plans to use a different range of robots I'm not specifically a geek of robots. I wanted to make athletes wants, but I figure it out that The robotic community now in open source is quite interesting now. They are making a lot of open hardware device you can get but Yeah, does it work the investment for me? Not specifically, but if there is Sus project if they are looking a Software stack to use that's probably yeah, I will be more than an empty for them to use this But again, if you go into robotics Probably JavaScript is not the best option. Yeah Because you have a lot of hard real-time constraints So I'm not sure it's part of the standard yet. So The most important platform for instance is Rob's the robotic operating system But for me, it's not very it's not critical because it's just Unharmed is not going to to to break anything. But if you are making like a RC car or something like this. Yeah, if you break too late, you can destroy it Okay, can you Oh Okay, so Let's start for the lower level. So first we need a hardware platform. Oh, okay. So question is What is Where are the tools are interacting each between each other and What is specific to modular and other components? So once you have this hardware Uh Set up you need to implement the red this modular rest api. So it's uh, it's not a software It's mostly a protocol. So you can do in any tools you want for me, I made a I ported a Node.js library to iot.js, which is a A javascript runtime from samsung So yeah I'm in this case. I am in both world And then once you have this What rest api from the thing? Yeah, you need to connect to the gateway for sure And then if you want to get access to the thing directly if you want to do it properly you need To share the resource through the gateway to another device that will understand the the rest api so This api can be implemented in any any different languages So I made my javascript code. This is just a client and then from the rendering I reuse another project which was initiated by modzilla, but it's not It's not it's not living by its own which is as a frame framework And this framework is based on the standard I mentioned about web xr Which is standardized by another group. So the full chain is a different pieces of open source each is smoothly working together because They are aligned to a fixed specification. So Doing some quick and dirty acts is something interesting, but To achieve some cooperation and You are if you don't want to lose time to do some bridge from one technology to another It's better to to use the same all the longer all the chain Nobody is speaking after so I can stay here the one one year No, no, that's our schools Or what are the what's the ideal contribution you would get on those repositories? Something unexpected Good because we have a creative crowd Now something I think that could be interesting is to To geolocalize different objects and having them working together. So maybe either at a human level or maybe something bigger like a city, let's say We are Realizing traffic jams and so on in real time. That's something that can be can be nice to see But yeah, no, I have no specific ideas I just wanted to to validate that this can be done. So then we can apply to the many use cases Yeah, if you have some Some hints about how do you Create a web framework that interact with in real time with a lot of different sources That can be interesting because if you here it's easy because I have only one device and maybe a couple of dozen But if I want to scale to maybe a thousand Maybe it's not the best way to do it. So I have to maybe Use a different protocol. Yeah, I know that there is some streamer streamable Like time series and so on. So maybe it's something I should look look at