YouTube this is the needed podcast episode 87 deep diving. Why is it a deep dive? Because we are deep diving into the new additions to the gameplay going to take up most of this most of this podcast talking about the new additions man.  We will be talking about CFMs too because CFM there was an outrage today there was the CFM guys the CFM panties are burnish out of the Patriots fans with the tier one the CFM panties are in a absolute nightmare bundle fire not the CFM dudes are are really hot but I appreciate my man Kels with the gifted Patriots with the tier one my man Lou was in the chat with the tier one Cody out there with the twitch prime for 10 months thank you guys but it was a big week because when was the the Clint the Clint stream was it like Thursday or I don't remember when it was but it was good honestly is my man there he is T trail trail trail to T 23 my man I appreciate the tier one thank you but the pot it was good the um the stream was good I think we all are super amped about it I think we're super happy I think we're super excited is the word my man Thunderball no we're not going to double perk we're on a podcast now we're talking about gameplay if you guys want to watch this podcast live every single Tuesday we do this podcast and you guys are a big part of the podcast is the way we can talk about Madden talk about the gameplay talk about the MCS talk about everything I do like Clint I trust Clint I believe Clint is a guy that you know wants to do everything the right way um when we all talk about Madden we all have our opinions and at the end of the day we have to realize that they all have bosses all these guys cray low Clint like Clint is not the boss of Madden he's he's not even close to the boss of Madden so one thing when he talks and he has to make decisions most of the time he's doing that is my man post comes through with a five gifted put some demons in the chat up we're going crazy right now I appreciate it but so those are essentially where what we have to realize is that all these things are made essentially by the the higher ups at EA man and then there's a business is my man book by those another five book by out of nowhere I said you guys want to watch this live man twitch is the place to be that's where it's at um it's really popping all my streams have been really live especially these podcasts are really cooking up with steam we are 13 a week's way from the 100th episode we're going to do something special for that man uh and and a lot of this a lot of this goes back to my podcast I had with rex and rex is somebody I'm feeling like I need to have back on the show because when we had rex on the show it was probably one of my first 20 podcasts um things weren't as popping as they were as they are now I think uh and I think having rex again would be really tough I can't get anybody from EA um they won't join the show but rex um he taught us a lot I mean he opened my eyes to a lot of things and that when EA makes these makes a new game like bro it's their goal they want more people you know they want more consumers they want to open up their product to more people as much as as much as us this one's saying uh as much as we um we no I don't want to go sub only today because I feel like there's a lot of cfm dudes that aren't subs it might want to talk about cfm and I'm here for that we are here for that I want to hear it uh so I definitely I definitely want to keep unless it gets crazy so yeah that's a plenty of mods in here that can the weirdos gotta go but like I said we gotta realize that EA man is their product and they want more eyes kind of like me with streaming or you got whatever you you want how do we get more people watching how do we get more people playing what is the our angle to get more people to play that's a lot when we talk with rex was kind of about that long shot I believe that's what it was called long shot was the thing they put in the game and they tried to get more people to watch that or more people to uh to to play because of that I want to play a story mode I want to play uh like something that I can engage my story mode fan into football and essentially turn that into a mutt player essentially I love cfm and we'll talk about cfm in depth because I feel like I feel like the cfm guys are just I don't know I think we all got to realize I guess we play Madden for different reasons and we do do that and and but back to the game plan I'm saying like when EA makes a man one we have to realize and and I think the few Madden will always have to come out every year I don't know if you guys agree with me on that I think the biggest obstacle that man has is that it has to come out every year every August every July there has to be a new Madden now as you guys how often do other games come out Call of Duty is split amongst two different companies that make Call of Duty you know so how how often does Treyarch make a new Call of Duty or Infinity Ward do they make a new I mean it's just it's rare for a game to come out once a year on a cycle on a schedule like this nowadays with how big games are and how involved the different games are uh for instance the last of us was I believe came out last week and uh we think about how long it took between the last of us the first one and the last of us the new one it was a long time and these games are very involved and so you got to take that for what it is is that EA puts out a new man in every single year on a clockwork you know they really did every single year so that's an obstacle that they have you know we only have you and you got to think about this too so they're going to put our Madden in August or the end of August right boom so they drop the new product probably another two or three months into that product they're working on fixing the game that's out now you know but then they have to turn around and start making a new game you know so their time is real they're really hampered by time as far as making a game is so at the end of the day I don't want to it's like they can only do so much you know and I think it's hard to say that because it's like the easy thing to say is we'll hire more people right well I mean your EA you got to make billions of dollars right hire more people hire more but you know what I'm saying and that's like that's the easy thing to say but at the end of the day say they have 50,000 people working on Madden you know 40,000 probably work on gameplay or 30,000 on gameplay it's just they are hampered with the time that they have so uh but like I said the gameplay stream was awesome I felt like we all enjoyed it I enjoyed it I it got me super excited for Madden there was some things that that we all heard that were super exciting like we're all in on it um and I'll go over right now I mean this is a pretty what's going on with my my mouse right now we're stuck okay this is a pretty in-depth breakdown it really is a pretty in-depth thing as far as this gameplay deep dive is what they called it the Madden 21 gameplay deep dive all right now this is this is what it was and this pretty much I'm as we sit here boom welcome back to Gridiron Notes all right boys let me say let me make sure I have my my my boys up here so I can hear what you guys got to say I'm my man Luke with the sub thank you I appreciate you I gotta get the feedback from you guys right we'll see and all right let's about run defense now the run was super OP last year I honestly I want to I don't want to be the one to say the run wasn't OP because it was I think tackling is a bigger deal than these run defensive things for me personally simply put stopping the running game and man 20 was too difficult for most myself included I don't know about you guys too difficult for me for Madden 21 we aim for a more balanced run past ratio so we've made some improvements to our run fits and defensive gap system with the strong emphasis on the force defender who is the defender responsible for setting the edge versus the run here for some specific improvements we've made towards that goal so the force defender I'm assuming like an outside linebacker in three four something like that um force defenders of lines line of scrimmage at the snap will use wider angles at the start of play to show more anticipation and better pursuit that protect prediction to set the edge versus outside running plays I guess stretches tosses uh man somebody like clowny or LT will be a dog uh have not heard bad from the higher crowd yet that's a good question by my man ours we shall see um so I mean honestly all this sounds good and I don't think we've ever come into a man when said it doesn't sound good force defenders will show more anticipation in their pursuit angles at the start of the play that's a good thing what pursuit angles per anticipation for pursuit angles I think pursuit is such a tough thing to uh such a tough thing to make a computer do that's what like pursuit has I don't think pursuit has ever been good in Madden you know I I think it's such a tough thing because as I think about whether it's my user or whether you're chasing somebody in real life it's like you kind of it's a mental thing of picking the angle that you want to run at to catch that person isn't it such like a decision you have to make when you're running as far as pursuit is like like okay I can't meet this guy right here let me change my angle and go this way in that way I've always thought I don't really know how video games work but I always thought that's a tough thing to sim take it a computer to simulate like how can I make it's not my main old tech with the five bomb the demons are out I appreciate you man I feel like I feel like hear me out on this I feel like pursuit is intelligence pursuit is thinking a step ahead pursuit is the human mind you know and how can you artificially make defenders make those decisions okay I'm not going to make this tackle let me be safer let me take let me just you know give him more space so I can cut off the angle like I think it's such a mental thing um pursuit and how the tackle somebody in the open field uh that it's tough to emulate in a computer niner and I kind of feel that way I I don't want to say that niner but I kind of agree with you not that I don't want to say I don't agree with you but it's like uh I felt there was so much user dependent on the tech on the pursuit imagine and I feel like it kind of should be there um edge and force defenders hammer and fill players who are the defenders in the run fit responsible for the open gaps inside of the force players will take wider initial pursuit angles and outside running place honestly all this sounds good I just want to see how the run how this works you know I really want to see how it works my man old tech is going crazy right now so so for me as pursuit is tough tackling improvements now this is this is for me personally where I thought Madden was bad where Madden 20 was absolutely terrible and you guys see it in the clips I post where where running backs run right by people and they don't put an arm out they don't dive at the ankles they don't attempt to hit they don't attempt anything like defenders really don't have arms and they don't have eyes and and that's for me was the biggest was the biggest weakness of man 20 was simply the tackling I I felt if if every player had some type of tackle you know tackle not tackle supreme but secure tackler so they could reach and and wrap and suction tackles and things like that the game would be a lot better um in addition to the upgrades to our run fit system we know how important tackling is the run defense we just we didn't just add the new breakdown and pylon tackles we also made some core improvements to existing tackling systems to make tackling more accessible and a stronger point of counter and run game now I'm interested in this breakdown thing because that's something honestly I kind of when I played football not that I was not I'm not dick but kiss I never was uh but even when we would play flag football we would play touch or tackling like I was good at like breaking down like and sometimes like if you break down like you'll get ran over right because you have no more momentum pretty much in this run but you won't completely with on the tackle you know you kind of almost slow down and kind of like use their momentum tackle and they might run by they might truck you they might fall forward but you stay in front of yourself man uh and I think that's a big my man blitz with the twitch prime and as three with the tier one uh defenders will now be much more aware when they are engaged in blocks and they're a ball care and they will trigger tackle attempts from engaged inside the trenches I feel like that's kind of like reach elite um one thing blitz I appreciate one thing I do yeah trying to I agree but sometimes I do see as he says sometimes people get tackled forward but for me sometimes you do kind of see that in real life like even if they don't mean it they'll kind of hit the pile sideways and maybe it'll help them a little bit but um that's one thing I did and I hope this is a big deal uh say there's a wide receiver right and there's a a running back your wide receiver is running to block and you had the ball and running back the defender almost runs into the blocker like he makes zero attempt to get out of the way to blocker and once again this goes into how can you make uh that's something a user should do and it's tough for to make a computer do that but just the fact they kind of almost want to get blocked more than they want to make the tackle I don't know how you uh if you guys noticed that like defenders want to get blocked more than they want to make the tackle essentially suction blocking exactly word like they'll be like the angle won't even be good but then the the defender or the the offensive player automatically like locks into a block pretty much yeah you rarely fall backwards for sure I feel like some tackling animations just should fall forward and some you should get stone walled and that goes in the ratings really uh hit stick and dive tackles have been tuned to make them more accessible and functional all of which come together with our new breakdown tackles for more intuitive defensive experience I I mean all this stuff sounds great I just want to see I just want to play really do you think height and weight don't matter in tackling because I feel like I feel like I've always felt like the taller safeties hit harder I really do but then we look around chat and then man what's his name Tillman was a monster and he's not that big yeah we'll see I felt so much of this year was if you didn't have an ability Don as you say that if you're tight end didn't have ability he would get tackled by the by anybody honestly um location based tackles one of the new features that has the man dev team really excited is location based tackles these tackles are where you see the running back reach the ball for the pylon at the last second to get that critical touchdown or where the tackling defender will struggle to strain to keep the ball care from reaching the first down sticks on a huge fourth down here's the breakdown on how these will work these tackle interactions make our players more aware of their field location and react accordingly something madden players have never been aware of where the hell they are on the field never never knew when they were on the goal line never knew when it was fourth and one so this is a huge W honestly a huge W this is great these tackling interactions more blah blah blah blah blah while there's not a direct button input for the sticks for these tackles they will be driven by player ratings and superstar abilities what that says me is a lot of random rng as they say rng it will be driven by player ratings or superstars abilities when do I get to fall forward you know when when I got unlucky because my guy didn't fight you know what I'm saying um but then what's the what is the opposite of that right what is the opposite of that is the opposite of that like a fight for a fumble thing or remember madden 17 when they had to stiff arm or tackle battles and honestly I think I'd rather the rng than the tackle battles or the fight for a fumble mashing buttons you know what I'm saying but so that's tough you know yeah clutch but this is what I'm saying there's ability for this clutch abilities but m dot this is the one thing about mutt is that when you get to this point of mutt or whenever mutt as far as clutch and everything like that I feel like if it's not an ability it's just in their traits I feel like most players are clutch you know in addition to the ability is the defenders tackling awareness ratings compared to the ballcares vision and awareness will drive the outcomes of these interactions so do you think vision is a big deal this year are we gonna is vision going to have a threshold if you have 81 vision do you get those good animations that'd be pretty cool we're talking about ballcare vision is a rating that literally meant zero has never meant anything in madden now we talk about kin madden they do more and more to make just everything madden is all about speed right speed height speed right and they're doing more and more every year to make that less of a prominent thing you know if levion bell has 88 speed but he has 95 ball carrier vision so he's getting that extra two yards every run I think that is something that can make do you know take him over take him over the edge is one of the best running backs in the game you know what I'm saying chat I feel like that's I feel like this is a good thing I feel like all in all it sounds dope you know could also at the same time do we have a player like like tree archer remember how good he was is he asked because he's never gonna fall forward he's never gonna fight he's get pushed back by everybody that's pretty cool zone drop coach adjustment this is pretty much the biggest news of madden of of the entire of the entire thing this is the biggest news of the entire broadcast not broadcast the entire stream was the zone drop coach adjustment we're introducing a new set of coach adjustments that will allow you as the defensive player to customize the depth of your zone drops for underneath zone defenders these coaching adjustments will give you the ability to change the drop depths of flat hook and curl flat zones and increments of five yards also known as uh flat zones or blue zone or light blue zones yellow zones and purple zones honestly I purple zones you know we'll see but max from five yards up up to a max of 30 yards from the line of scrimmage when using these adjustments keep in mind that all match zone logic will be disabled and all zone coverage is plays while using this adjustment including the deep zone players when facing a no huddle offense you can turn off these coaching adjustments by using the reset play option in the pre play adjustments menu that is a great that is a great uh adjustment or that's a great uh option because someone catches you in that say somebody put it's it's fourth in 20 and you go 30 yard zones and uh and they get the fourth down in no huddle you and you you're not stuck with those 30 yard zones um when I see this I have no problem with 30 yards um when I see this one uh uh it would be better to me this would be really dope if you could do every single underneath zone you know I I feel like every every if you did it could do every zone like let make my heart flats five yards my cloud flats 30 yards uh my purple zones five if you could change every one you know uh I think that would make it a little bit better I think it's going to be tough and max mess around with it one thing uh one thing for me I mean we'll see I we'll see how it works um I don't think it's going to I don't know what it's going to do you know what does it matter if your cloud flats are going 30 yards and at what speed do they go 30 yards right chat at what speed do they go 30 yards like are they still going to cover a corner out so you've set them to 30 yards like you know no no it's not it if I put if I put my flat zones at five that's a cloud flat that's a hard flat that's a soft spot they're all going 30 yards or they're all going five yards every single one you know there's only three different zones you can change when when the actuality how many different underneath zones are there there's four yellow zones I believe four yellow zones there's three flat zones and three curves so so there's really 10 different underneath zones right but you can only change three of them they group them into three all right creative play donkey shop here we go now we're gonna make a 35-yard corner out that nobody can cover yeah let's make creative play that's gonna be awesome yeah exactly they need to be able to react to the quarterback rolling out but we'll see I personally feel like this if you have a 30-yard cloud flat he really shouldn't cover shit I really I really I really don't think that's a that's realistic and we'll see maybe if you drop them to 30 yards or 25 yards whatever it may be it might be a glitchy zone you could change but the ability the ability to have hard flats and cloud flats different flat zones on the field is kind of you kind of get rid of that with this clock because if you put 30 yards every single flat zone is going 30 yards you know so it is it is pretty tough but we'll see I think it adds the creativity the more creativity you can have the better I just want to make it hard to pass but maybe people just uh maybe people sometimes you know they won't have to they won't be able to just rely on that corner out open no matter what you actually have to make a read and see also I hope my 30-yard cloud flat is not stopping a flat route for three yards can we agree on that I feel like if you like say I put a 30-yard cloud flat right I I feel like that cloud flat should almost turn his back and run the 25 yards and then turn around and and play zone like he shouldn't be able to stop shit underneath right that's how I feel like he should be work like he should be worse than a deep blue like you should be able to do a flat route and get 10 yards with ease right otherwise why not just have 30-yard dudes a drag should get 15 yards underneath a 30-yard cloud flat you know I think it's something I we'll see how the game plays but it is there's nothing listen there's absolutely nothing wrong with having it because you don't need to set it you can go regular you can go raw dog regular zones yeah it sounds good it's definitely something like man I want to go see what the difference is between the 30-yard and a 5-yard right that's that's pretty much where where the thought process is you know all right quarterback and passing improvements um it wasn't a comment earlier they made pocket passing the pocket passing is not good and listen part of that football is 1000% going away from the pocket passer you know why be a pocket passer that's my question you what is the benefit of being a pocket passer when you can pass from the pocket and run you know it's like getting an ice cream cone right but why not get an ice cream cone with toppings you can have both why get the person that's limited you don't understand like football without is going away from that limited person 1 million percent um and for uh and for me colton no doubt for me um for madden I I really feel like you know you get to choose your quarterback now some of you guys might be might be a Cincinnati Bengals fan now burrow is not a statue at all but he's a passer right he's not he's not Lamar Jackson he's not you know Russell Wilson but he's he's kind of a pocket guy right so you're stuck with that that's your good you know and madden you could pick any quarterback you want we're playing mutt we're playing salary cap we're playing cfm you can pick any quarterback you want so why in the world would you pick somebody that can't run right so for me I really there is nothing that separates the pocket passer and the immobile person in madden there's nothing they did a decent job last year with tom brady early in the year one hot route master pretty cool right so we are actually getting closer to eight we're getting closer to the pocket passers are better the protected ability where brady was was awesome early in the year though they just broke the pass lead hear me on this chat if they didn't break these past leading abilities and then hopefully that's what this article is talking about to where these quarterbacks could not pass lead deep routes or could not pass lead bombs or all they could do is pass lead within 10 yards everything else was broken if they and they never fixed that if they were fixed that pocket passers really had a chance to be great this year you know and on top of that as much as we say that there are some people that used a statue quarterback whether it be ghosts or drinny all year because there was because of a hot rod master hot rod master gave pocket passers a chance honestly you know and this is the thing pocket if they didn't mess up the past leading pocket passers would have been that much better all right with more balanced run game comes a more reliance on the air attack to ensure that players will have the tools they need to run more balanced offenses man 21 we've made some significant improvements to throwing the football throwing out of sacks all quarterbacks while the ability to throw the ball while being tackled the accuracy and power of the past are dictated largely by physics there's there's a big bot word right there physics the further into the passing animation the quarterback is the more likely the pass will be accurate however if the quarterback is hit right away it could be a fumble or it could be a bad pass you know and this is this is good you know I feel like I don't want to say we need more pocket fumbles because that honestly we do my football that's probably half the fumbles at least are pocket fumbles from a quarterback um but we'll see how this works I think it's better um than anything but there's there were some years honestly where I would throw the ball just so I didn't get sacked I knew I could get the ball off even if I got hit it wouldn't go to anyone it would go to the ground maybe uh sometimes you would throw the ball get hit and the ball would just go two yards in front of you and it's incomplete you're not sacked or sometimes you fumble way too much long here my guy with the 14 months so once again something we have to see how plays but it's definitely a positive uh I don't know how this year worked could you not throw out of sacks uh also is it going to be pitching you off on defense because you can't sack the quarterback because he keeps just throwing the ball into the ground without intentional grounding you know uh deep passes under pressure new demand 21 are under pressure throwing animations which allow quarterbacks to contextually speed up their throwing motions when feeling pressure on deep passes this is like pressure and accurate but we're going to bomb the ball deep down the field um now if I if I want to bomb is the pass still going to be accurate because the one thing about madden let's be honest that makes madden the quarterback is perfect perfect is the quarterback is perfect you know as opposed to real life if there's a wide open receiver running down a field and madden it is nine it is 100 percent of completion 100 percent in real life no it's not at all even if even if the even if the wide receiver is five 10 yards in front of a db the quarterback could under throw it throw it to the left or to the right throw it out of his he can't reach it and that's the biggest difference uh for me for madden real life is the quarterback is perfect you know is he going to be perfect when he flicks his wrist and throws the 60 yards in the air because one thing that was realistic about madden bro the biggest problem with pressure and accurate was the throws inside 10 yards those were the ones I think need this contextually speed up where the flat passes or the quick slants or the quick seam not not a 90 yard bomb they nobody need like nobody asked for that it's more about beating the blitz nine or the blitz eight blitz seven and eight people with short passes that's where the pressure and accurate really came reared its ugly head not on 40 yard passes you know what I'm saying so this is something crow my guy with this up this is something this can textually speed up their door motions this is something that would I think is more important for s*** underneath you know and for me to throw the ball 50 yards you do need to wind up even michael vic he needs to wind up a little bit right quarterback branch outs quarterback can now quickly branch out of the drop back to throw the ball at any time as soon as the quarterback has received the snap the receiver button input is given the court quarterback will immediately branch out of his existing behavior and build a ball to the intended receiver which also includes branching out of play action face quarterbacks will also have more control to branch out of drop backs to scramble oh moving the moving stick either okay okay all right this one a little more sticking a pocket I like this okay while also re-enabling the controlled rollout movement which you can toggle by tapping okay this is good I swear this was not in the game it used I don't know if it was this year you could tap left trigger right trigger and you would scramble maybe this is what I'm talking about I'm not talking about to tuck the ball down the rollout movement okay maybe that helps scrambling be better the one thing about this year that sucks scrambling in between the tackles was absolutely impossible in this game now my man lights out with the tier one thank you man um accuracy power tuning with the variety of improvements done to passing we also did some tunis to improve under pressure and cross body passing accuracy to bring more balance for both making the inaccurate penalties more contextually appropriate to the situation sounds good we've added a new max distance passing power penalty which will activate when targeting the receiver who is deeper than the quarterbacks max passing distance the max passing distance for each quarterback is dictated by his dope power rating this penalty also decreases the strength of the pass when throwing deep passes on the run with more severe penalties to throw power for cross body throws so in other words they don't want Vic chucking pulse routes 80 yards down the field on the run big L for this this this paragraph right here big L enhance the in-game passing feedback was a feedback so that players will have a more transparent understanding about the result of each type of throw all right passing feedback so they'll tell you why the game screwed you parody for handoff animations all handoff animations have been tuned so that all respective handoffs are the same speed going out of direction so we will see no more trust way a quarterback for left handed dives nice pass interference in illegal contact we've added support for more robust management of user control pass interference we've also for the first time the legal contact penalty the goal of these is preventing users from intentionally obstructing receivers from getting to the route and or kept spot while trying to overlook incidental and unintentional contact these penalties will be used in both competitive and simulation game styles it will be called primarily on user control defenders for franchises players can be adjusted primarily called well I have never never had a problem with this never had said I want pass interference never have I said have I thought let me run into a receiver and cause pass interference you know I have I have never ever ever ever thought this is this is something that's that needs to be in the game have y'all at like seriously I'm just asking I'm just asking you guys yeah I really don't at yeah but it's crazy to say this man I have never thought this was a problem sometimes the receiver gets stuck on a player yes that's the computer player so are they going to call and there's no reason why this shit happens right sometimes they sometimes they bump and then they bump into a zone so if I'm in cover three it's it's it's 38 and my player bumps in his player bumps into one of my zones are they gonna call that I just don't understand who that I honestly if you I just don't I just don't run into somebody doing that really I really don't don't I really don't run into anybody doing that and I I feel like it's another thing I feel like okay I just this is one thing I want to see I want to go into a game with one of you guys and see how many times say I run dagger right how many times you could affect that wide receiver's motion right past five yards down a field because I have never I no one has ever done that done that honestly I really don't think it I really don't think I really don't think yes that's what I'm saying there so like the only thing I'm worried about is sometimes okay this is this is one thing that I think it could come into play right so say you're running across and route or say you're throwing anything so your opponent is passing the ball right he's throwing this crossing route your deep blue is coming down on it but you pause but you have to click on real fast and jump in front of him so I click on my deep blue and I run in front of him full I full send to pick the ball off I bump into the receiver and pick the ball off is that PI you know what I'm saying I just feel like is that PI no I really I've never seen somebody use or bump my receivers that far down the field now I myself has had the user pressed bunch the the point man and bunch I had the user pressed the shit out of him right but most of it is in between five yards or in between 10 yards I've never seen somebody do it 60 yards down a field I've never seen that and this is another thing if somebody uses I don't know what I'm saying if somebody like as a passer if somebody bumping your receiver what's the difference between bumping him and covering him right now obviously you could bump him and go cover something else but there in lies the I'm bumping him within 10 yards type of thing not 30 yards down a field if you're getting bumped third if their user is bumping a route 10 of 20 yards down a field you got it he's covering the route right I have never I have never felt like pass interference needs to be in the game never felt that way never I've never felt I have never felt that it had it needed to be this way really well cactus jack that in turn is a different argument right not necessarily that you need not necessarily that you need a penalty you need your receiver to get on his horse you know it just I just I have never I have never honestly if this paragraph wasn't here who would ask for that I have like a bot as for passing interference like seriously abs discipline I just I'm just I'm just done no no there's no way 50% of you thought p.i was a problem of course there's plays where people bump into people and everything one it's not a user it's the stupid ass purple zone but floating out bumping in the worst yes I know that happens yes 1 million percent but there that's not the user so you want a penalty on a computer that tom dick and harry had nothing to do with the computer just did it and and and and truthfully I just I don't see it ever I really don't see it I really I really have no I have no like I have no problem with the p.i like none don't ever put no fucking poll in my chat ever ever again don't who put the poll who put the poll they're getting booted they're their mod is gone chat how can I see who put a poll in my chat for no reason yeah like I just have never said passing interference is a problem room I just I just never have thought passing interference is a problem yeah p.i p.i shouldn't be mad it just shouldn't but I'm a guy let me tell you something chat I'm a guy I don't even want passing interference in real life I don't I don't want passing interference this is how I feel about passing interference if you don't mug somebody it shouldn't be a penalty there's like a little handles like well you get paid to get open and catch the football if someone putting their hand on your shoulder is stopping you how good are you really seriously I'm being real I hate passing interference I hate this shit no seriously I hate passing interference in real life no it's just I'm telling you I hate passing interference in real life I hate it I hate it I think I think the NFL but because oh because oh because obviously they want more passing they want everything I think passing interference is just a soft ass seriously I think it's super soft yeah I think I think the passing game the interactions between DBs and Y receivers is super duper soft right now I really do the Saints game was absolutely crazy but let's be honest chat it was great that it happened to the Saints right the Saints game was crazy no no see y'all y'all taking what I'm saying way too far bro like y'all taking the way too far I'm not saying no wires no PI I'm just saying it's the way it's called now is super soft it's super soft like for real nobody was ever upset that that happened to the Saints yes PI shouldn't be part of Madden seriously never been a problem this you know PI has never been a problem in Madden PI it's just soft the NFL is just the way they call it is just absolutely soft it's just soft bro yeah people win games in real life because of PI like it'll just chuck some shit up oh it's PI you know it's just like one PI shouldn't I I don't know bro I just feel like it's soft bro it's just soft I do I do think it's soft yeah PI PI is just soft yeah the spot foul the spot fouls as you don't you know an ADR bomb like boom up there we go I just feel like I feel like why receivers should be better I don't know yeah I think I think it should definitely I think the hand the hand on somebody the fact that yo if you put your hand like bro why can't I put my hand on somebody like why can't I put my hand on his back you know what I'm saying that that's that's how I feel is nuts really I don't know I just I just feel like PI is soft to begin with but and I don't I never thought it was a problem in Madden bro never thought Madden needs PI that's the biggest bot in the world PI my receivers aren't getting open they're getting bumped like and this this is another thing we talked about this almost like bro sometimes like bro like okay in real life I'll be honest I played tight end I'm not fucking grunkowski I'm just a regular human being plick sometimes I'll be like dubby run a slant right my name was dubby forever there's always dubby like since I was like 14 dubby run a slant sometimes I run my slant right I gotta run my oh shit it's a linebacker right there right I gotta like juke I gotta move a little bit right I don't just run my slant and he's invisible right you have to change your you have to change your pattern sometimes because there's you gotta get out of the way of people you can't just run right through them so essentially if I'm running the out route and the slot corners in a purple zone and I'm running he's right here I gotta go around them I wasn't a block that was I wasn't a blocker that was my problem I was I was like ultral synco of tight ends I'd block and was not me all right I'm you guys oh there's a difference between rerouting shut the fuck up what like what then that's essentially what it is like shut up bro I'm just done just done if you want PI in Madden you're a fucking bot that's just done just done you're I've never heard anybody like nobody has ever said anything about this of all the shit they complain about pass interference was never one of them from anybody that was any good in Madden never said we need PI in Madden never never been said ever in their life has that been said that's it that's it period if you want pass interference in Madden if you are you're just a bot my man Cole with the 18 months thank you man I'm just like for real you're just a bot I know we won't talk about it no more defensive contain balance your bot one of the more popular and it's cool to be a bot it's okay I'm a bot at every other game that I play I'm pretty much damn they're about it man it's okay 99% of the world is bots you are one of them it's okay accept it that's it PI is for bots no I was not a demon so I could catch all I could do is catch and I'm kind of tall for regular humans when you get to like D1 I'm not tall I'm small actually and my brothers is like little PI bots run the world bro one of more popular online strategies man 20 was the contain blitz oh here we go here we go in quotations the contain blitz uh-oh here we go now I was tall and I could catch players told us that this felt unbalanced because unblocked contain players were very effective pass rushers of course they're unfucking blocked read that sentence read this sentence players told us this felt unbalanced because unblocked contain players were very effective pass rushers this is really a sentence this is a sentence unblocked people were effect I hope the god they were effective nobody touched them nobody touched them nobody touched them I can't believe this bro contains definitely rush before you run that's a that's a lie because this is makes me mad that this is really a sentence but also very quick to react to scrambling quarterbacks well it depends on who it was but be honest man if you had if you had uh kj right trying to contain michael vick uh maybe not that good yet clown he trying to contain michael vick yeah he's getting tackled so again the theme of balance we've made some changes to contain behavior when utilizing pass rush schemes that free up the contain player from being blocked via an overload okay this will now allow will now rush the quarterback at slower speed than he were not in the contain assignment as long as the quarterback is inside the pocket okay okay so he should like walk and kind of be bro he should kind of be like breaking down and waiting for the contain rather than rushing I will tell you this in my entire life of contains right my entire life of playing man contains are broken they're broken they're either the most overpowered thing on a game or they're just absolutely pointless there is no way to get a contain to work right I'll be honest man 20 the contains were really really really good the problem with them is they got cut blocked I mean they got it if contains didn't get cut blocked they were super good this year super good this year honestly too good contains shouldn't engage with blockers contain maybe contains just stand there and wait for a rollout that's a good that's a good I think that's pretty pretty good but then this is what used to happen this is what no we have not talked about the CFM yet we'll talk about that next when I'm done the deep dive we'll talk about CFM Big Bear I appreciate you joining but um one thing that happened in the past is that if you contains didn't rush now they're picking off drags now they're picking off flat passes now they're picking off screens and so like where do you want do you want them to not rush and not react to passes you know it I'm telling you the contains have always been broken to some point and for me this year they were very very very good unless they got cut blocked or double teamed which if if you double team a contain it shouldn't be able to contain do you all agree with that I feel that way if you if you put two of your linemen or a tight two blockers on it to contain you should be able to roll out but contains getting honestly the biggest thing they should fix if contains didn't get cut blocked I think you're good right chat if a contain didn't get cut I think the game I think you're you're good on contains and anybody that says contain blitz it like the like it's crazy to me that people say contain now there's been years where contain blitzing was really OP because like you would put the contain right next to a blitzer and he would loop out and nobody would see him and contain blitz what this year was not the case contain but the contain blitzing I it just wasn't really a thing this year it obviously people contain but it's not the reason why the blitz was good this will change this change will bring balance by giving the defensive ability to quickly react to a scrambling quarterback with an unblocked contain player while giving up a little power in the pass rush catch catching responsiveness like many of our other features improvements man 21 has a strong focus on player control and agency agency and I've never heard that word used like that agency I don't I don't know maybe I'm wrong in my bad English I've never heard the word agency used like that you know catching is no different we made a few tweaks to our catching system to offer more stick work towards making place which honestly I have you guys know me I feel like stick is very important in catching the football this year very very very important stick work agency as user control is it is that what it is I didn't know that focus on player control and agency really I don't I don't read enough about video games players can now dictate the direction they want their catch to take them as they secure the catch via the left stick input for example when holding up on the left stick using the possession catch you'll be selecting a possession case that will fall in the same direction as your stick input and oh that's pretty cool ensuring that a receiver won't go to the ground short of the sticks awesome this increases in control and also critical when throwing underneath routes as the responsiveness allows receivers to quickly turn up this sounds really cool one obvious case to notice this improvement is when a receiver is nearing the sideline the user will have the control to keep him in bounds as he turns off field rather than running out of bounds now I will tell you I will tell you I felt like I got good at that the best passers got good at throwing the ball staying in bounds and getting extra yards I will tell you that I the best the best guys did get good at that and I felt like I'm I get really if I have an open flat route as long as I don't have to snap throw it I'm getting 10 yards on that that's how I feel you know I felt like you know we'll see how it works you know aggravated it'll be on YouTube tomorrow I really do feel like uh I catching the ball and one thing that that mostly you know user like user catching the ball is so important and so critical it's such a big part of passing in man in 20 it really is and it's so understated by so many people it really is you know I really think it's it's see not don't don't the seaskin they're like no see they're westland skimbo will have I've never come in here and said though we need more flags 1 million percent strong yeah basically they're gonna let people swerve and do the things that fancy can that jay wall that does that kid does that that Wesley does that skimbo was I'll be honest skimbo was the first person that was swerving the shit out of catches I'm talking like week two on a wheel route and like he's like yo if I swerve this job and get a better animation and get more yards swear to God and I don't even like telling skimbo that he does shit better than I don't even like giving him credit but he was the first person like really changing the angle of their and I was like oh this shit works so we talked like I felt like the best players were good at doing this but now it makes it easier for everybody to do this so all in all I think it's a good thing for Madden but you know I do think uh I do think that uh a lot of players have been doing this without this feature you know the only thing I the only route I cannot get more yards on is a drag I really have no idea how to get yards on a I I never want challenges in Madden never challenges no get that get the shit out of here but bye no no no no never one challenge is ever ever ever I'm so glad they took that shit out the game anything that delays me playing the game that makes me stop playing and wait for the computer to do shit I never want it in Madden you know uh it it's good for the community but you say it will lower the skill gap but maybe one player could take it that much further one you can use the left stick but you can also click on and get a better angle it could be honest and burn no yeah I don't know if you ever want a halftime show on if you ever want a halftime show in Madden one you play two Madden games a week and you this really is not the spot for you sir it's really just not I'm sorry I'm I'm not the person you come to for Madden content ever I'm just not if you want to halftime show I have ADD I want to get to the next play I want to keep playing the game I don't want to watch shit if I want to watch it ESPN is right here on my other monitor let's watch that that's all I'm saying and I'll be honest chat this is kind of like commentary all that stuff is cool the first time I hear it right a halftime show would be cool as hell the first time you hear it but this is a chat full of people that play thousands of Madden games after 10 times I'm tired of seeing the halftime show bro stop y'all really trolling I'm this was literally the last podcast ever they were just full of trolling player personnel packaging another huge point of the the broadcast um one thing that Madden that Madden changed I want to say maybe five years ago or something you used to be able to audible to anything there used to only be five audibles right chat and you could put anything you put goal line quarterback sneak hell mary jet sweep you could put stretch and you could put a bunch verticals those could be your five audibles and you could come out and goal line and audible to a bunch of verticals or you come out and goal line go to five wide go to jet sweep go to any formation you want with no restriction but you only had five audibles that's how it was no no I'm swear to God like you could literally do this yes now they now they changed it a couple years ago where you could only audible to your personnel set which is awesome you know um which was a huge w also all the quick audibles having that many audibles at your disposal super w everything was great about it um so but you could not audible to something with two tight ends if you were in three wide receivers and vice versa you had to stay within your your formation personnel grouping this year the prepay audible system now considers the actual personnel on the field when changing your personnel in the play call menu either via packages or formation subs your pre-play audibles will now match the personnel package on the field if you are using uh 12 personnel one full back two tight ends in a formation like gun empty flex you will not be able to audible to any other formation your playbook that also uses 12 personnel for now this feature only applies to the offense but it continues to evolve we are looking for more opportunities to continue and expand upon it one let me tell you something they are going to glitch the hell out of this but this is going to be absolutely broken i i i'm telling you it is going to be gold line or something to bunch it is going to be spread to to uh wing tight or whatever the hell they run with the three tight ends single back wing z right to five i'm telling you they're going to find the way to do it also yes also let me tell you this so this says now considers the actual personnel on the field okay so now essentially i can put three tight ends in and bunch and go to gold line right i can go i can put a full back in the tight end and put three tight ends and i can go gold line to bunch if it considers my personnel due to the formation subs right i can go to bunch the tight end i i i i think i really don't uh that and that's what it's going to be and this is why you got it the most important and honestly the most important position really going forward a man is going to be those fast tight ends that can kind of play a pseudo wide receiver like ingram or no a fan who else who else is like some fast tight ends not necessarily even good ones but if you're fast enough to play wide receiver you know it'll be fun to really experiment and see what you guys can do uh it's going to it's going to it's called i i think it's going to be uh a big deal really honestly waller so you get waller ingram say you get waller ingram and tyree kill and you get juicy full back and you get a run back so you can go bunch to single back wingsy stretch and dive and then go up up to bunch any passing formation you go waller you go waller uh you go say you go waller you can get kittle it's just it's going to be tough man seriously it is going to be tough uh it's going to be it's going to be creativity it's going to be really tough honestly so we'll see uh honestly the more things you can do offensively you got to give it you got it got to be a good thing right it has to be a good thing uh i don't think it could be bad but uh what's crazy i think i think more people might wind up complaining about this than than loving it really yeah will this will this finally kill dollar or 1460 entire game will that kill that you know um and also will it show will it show your uh will it show your personnel and your formation like it does this year it shows your personnel and your formation will it now show a bunch two tight ends two running backs and one wide receiver no but i just i just feel like oh this sucks everybody's doing the same thing but for me uh it's a chance to be more creative so that's always a great thing uh always a good thing for all offensive players and players that can be creative i i think it's a good thing honestly yeah nickel i think nickel will be i i think that's where you have to start your defensive search is in some type of nickel whether the nickel normal 335 uh you know whatever it may be uh i think nickel will definitely be a strong defense it kind of always is right kind of always is strong uh balance for repeated audibles and play flips and pre-play another aspect this i mean this is just another aspect to bring more balance to run past ratio is authentic solution for spamming audibles and play flips by the offense before to snap until it advantageous alignment for running players found this popular tactic will now carry some risk the offense will now have the risk of the offensive line committing a false start penalty after the use of multiple audibles or play flips and the chance of the penalty was significantly increased with each additional audible thereafter this penalty has been put in the place to simulate the confusion of office player would likely have the quarterback change to play three to six times while sitting in his pre-play stance the entire time and applies to all game styles and difficulties huge w i guess you know if you have to audible three times you know this this really isn't it honestly i would put in motions through i would put in i would add a motion as a audible really if you if you motion audible then flip i feel like that's three right you know that's i i feel like this gotta be a w because really what's the yeah they you will get be able to flip once three times is the limit right three times the limit you can flip twice you go audible once and flip uh it seems like three is the number once you get to three then you might be getting a false start and then so on and so forth the more you do it the more likely you'll get a false start yeah i don't think flipping was that big uh flipping was more for the run last year than the past really so obviously this is a good thing really i i don't see anybody can have a complaint about this player fatigue for out of position ball carriers um this is for jet sweeps blasts your player will get more tired although i i don't know how michael vick could get more tired than he does now i have no idea why they would make him get loses them and even more after two blasts he's ready to come out of the game so we'll see i mean we're all excited about lemar jackson what he can do on regs uh but if he's going to be tired after one play we'll see and the same thing with jet sweet wildcat uh that's great wildcat yeah good this is good yeah honestly this is really good uh have no problem no so this is this is a good thing really kicking game tuning we received fabio from some aspects of king we're in need of improvement kick meter on competitive against i've been tuned to be more skill based meaning it will be more difficult to get accurate kicks for competitive play and the missing accuracy windows will be slightly more punitive uh i've been saying that for the longest kicking is way too easy kicking should be hard like it should be tough honestly kick power wind impact has been tuned on simulation game style so that kickers and punters don't always launch unrealistically deep kicks while the wind impact on the game uh we tune the ball physics to bring more skid to the ball and kicks bouncing to the turf to make the coffin corner kickoff exploits scum kick much more difficult to execute great job man scum the ball won't bounce and just sit there on kickoff so that that's a good thing but we all if you play madden there will be some type of scum kick now though now though like scum it in the middle and it'll it'll turf bounce all the way to the one yard don't worry no they never take off scum scum kicks will always be a part of madden always they will never get rid of scum you can try to get rid of scum but the scum guys always win bro they always win ability improvements whoa this is what we've been waiting for boys and that's why we introduce superstar x-factor abilities in the game while these abilities brought a ton of excitement for different strategies to gameplay we also recognize that in our first attempt at adding this in this game context that some of our abilities were a bit unbalanced here are some of the most critical changes we've made to existing superstar x-factor abilities wire receiver route ability balancing why receivers have a number of abilities granted them catching bonuses on specific route types no it granted them the automatic hundred percent catch these abilities while strong were difficult difficult to use since they require detailed knowledge of your team's playbook or very specific hot routes that may not always be available in madden who the hell said that which which which why receiver ability was difficult to use hold on oh my god this is bot alert right here this is bot alert right here in man 21 we have reword these abilities that grant their bonuses when the receiver catches the ball in specific areas of the field regard oh instead of a post flag elite they have middle of the field elite or short pass elite oh my god dude in man 20 we have reworked these abilities to grant their bonuses when a receiver catches the ball in specific areas of the field regardless of the route they are on this allows them to accomplish the initial goal of creating receivers that excel at making plays on specific route types while making them much easier to utilize this is yeah so if you ever chat if you ever get mad at EA whether putting a game you have to realize who their target audience is there it is right there the guys that want PI and can't get post flag elite to work they can't get post flag elite to work and they want PI in the game literally this is who EA makes their game for we just play it you gotta you gotta realize that so many times we don't realize that coverage defender ability balancing on the other side of the ball we had the opposite issue with coverage defender abilities in man 20 abilities like manned up or zoned out universal cover essentially one stops shops it was too easy to pick up one of these abilities on a defender and just set it and forget it don't get it ultimately we didn't like how easy it was to make a defensive powerhouse with very little ability investment as a solution is we have split these abilities up into multiple versions that grant their bonuses across specific areas of the field marrying the new wide receiver abilities now coverage defenders will need to specialize in defending the area of field rather than being able to cover the whole grid iron additionally universal coverage has been converted to a x-factor ability so the idea of a powerhouse play the whole field defender can still exist you just have to earn it okay so like is it going to be a deep coverage ability like cover deep or cover medium or cover short hard yeah like I just guard the hardflats like what I mean let's be real I mean we would just get a deep blue specialist right you would just put your safety in deep blue specialists or or a deep defense that's fucking nuts I'm be real in regs I felt like zoned out I felt like we all tested this uh regs the zoned out shit works right that's how I felt that's how it wasn't even a year remember Byron Jones was just crazy right in my that ability bro bro kick rocks seriously I as I think about it I really don't know why I even use universal coverage I really don't I really have no idea I feel like I should just have another tackle ability or lumber jack or something I don't think and also let me hear you this has anybody ever said that manned up zoned out universal coverage was too good yeah in regs Wesley yes now now bring that back too much it might yeah I feel like I feel like it never worked right yeah I feel like it's just it's just a waste yeah I don't know and I said that regs it was really good I don't know I never thought these were good in in mud I never thought they were good in mud never thought these these abilities were good in mud so we'll see I I don't know yeah the corner outpost route corner outpost route just unguardable regardless man up man up man down man sideways corner outpost route they're they're open pass leading ability balance the pass lead abilities from man 20 were fairly polarizing they were ass they allowed you to make some impressive plays and throw receivers open in the best of circumstances they were ass but more often than not they could result in throwing uncutable passes that were out of reach your receivers good job madden there you go more often than not and man 21 we have removed the increased leading distance of these abilities and instead boosted the ball's velocity when using precision passing mechanic on the left stick in combination with the bullet pass this new benefit greatly reduces the ability for defenders to make a play on the ball when making the correct read and should prove to be a powerful perk for pocket passers let's hope honestly that's what it looks like it looks like a sudu gun slinger right boys we'll see anything to help out like I said earlier in the stream if precision passing worked if they didn't smoke every other pass brady and them would have been more than usable honestly uh yeah so we have a ton of additional information to share with you regarding new abilities coming in man 21 as well as more updates from the previous season that have been re imaged imagined stay tuned for upcoming news or whatever what's next our next grid iron notes will be tuesday june 30th today ah focus on face of franchise and classic franchise where do we go to see these i am on this is um the madden direct is this it boom face of the franchise face of the franchise looks like a bobo it looks like a bobo uh long shot right face of the franchise i feel like it's bobo long shot go to high school college combine and url you said you wanted to play the combine here you go here you go here goes all you cfm nerds bro play high school but look you get interviews you play the combine let's see look url you can play the combine no westley you'd be surprised they fucking care about all this shit every little bit of it they care stop it nfl storylines franchise say yo you can be any one of these guys dream team to come back see url you got all this stuff i'm no it's not cfm but this this in lies where i talked about when the show started was bro they're trying every little bit you know they're trying to like get a new audience get new players get new people interested in the game uh you know and oh they got characters tommy matthew's career long rival and friend played by ty sharriden reggie brown former eagle receiver interviewer and friend played by michael beach and moses jones okay coach fatal vitie high school legend and football coach cooper andrews coach red o brian red brian i mean you know who defensive master mind college coach snoop dog played by himself and rich eisen played by himself man 21 classic franchise updates is this what we want to read are we on cfm now all right let's talk about this man because let's talk about the cfm all right because i want your help now i want to preface everything i say about cfm like this right want to craft preface everything i say i played cfm my whole life before mcs i was a cfm warrior i played with a t funk i don't know how old you guys are in demand t funk i always played in his cfm from like madden 10 to like madden 13 madden 25 every year out playing cfm super heavy like super heavy i have played the hell out of cfm dude i had played cfms with problem i played cfms obviously that's how i that's not how i know vilma but i played with vilma that's how i know that is kind of how i know a lot of people in the band community outside of my outside of you know just the competitive community cfm honestly i've always played it uh and i played it this year with with big strap i played it last year with the ring i've played it every year i've played cfm now i love cfm i love playing it but uh the reason i play it and the reason i play madden i like competing i like playing the game i like playing madden you know and cfm adds a lot of things like building a team it adds obviously improving your players adds a schedule you play your friends uh the competition is pretty much cfm the competition is what thrives me to play madden i'm saying i enjoy it uh see it yes abilities i want to say abilities you need abilities to play madden 20 and sometimes cfm you don't control your abilities or anything i i really think cfm is awesome i i really i i don't know what more people want from a cfm obviously there's tons of things you could improve i that's everything from the from every game you can improve on anything like uh but for me i thought cfm was awesome this year and last year i really do i i really feel like with a good group of guys uh you can get absolutely everything out of cfm i really do um but at the same time there's no reason why it can't improve every single year you know what i mean um so it definitely should always be improving so the fact that something doesn't get any type of acknowledgement is never a good thing uh i i have seen i saw a list this list was given to me by somebody on twitter it obviously was a copy and paste list uh from somebody and and and for me where is it at where is uh some kid posted this and i said please join the podcast because i could use your help essentially you know because i i madden really for me is here's here's what and this is a reddit post anything with reddit it's just i see if let me tell you this cfm is the afterthought and i will tell you why cfm is the afterthought because us people because i am the cfm player i play cfm i've played it my whole life we're not going anywhere right we are going to play the shit out cfm because cfm is fun the whole the whole idea of cfm is awesome playing your friends is awesome if if you play the computer i'm i have no words for you that we're not we're not the same you know if you want to play the computer you want the computer we're not the same and i'm sorry like so i we're just not the same but i i really don't have anything to say about that because for me i play video games because i play other people i like playing other humans and interacting with other people and playing with my friends either against them or with them in video games is what makes gaming this popular playing the computer is not what makes gaming popular it's just it's seriously it's not it's not what makes gaming enjoyable it's not what gaming is now it's just not the social aspect of it is what makes it great so anything that pertains to the computer and what the computer does i i really have no argument with that but uh i agree with that you need so much work to get a 32 man cfm to work that's part of reason why i stopped playing cfm this year i don't want to rely on other people to for my enjoyment of man and i agree with that if you're not in a cfm if you're not uh if you don't have the good group of guys it could be really rough i agree with that and that's what sucks and sometimes you might have to play the computer but uh you just gotta keep going you need a good commissioner i agree it is it is tough you know what i'm saying uh but playing the computer playing the computer in any type of game for me just isn't fun whether it's chess whether it's just just isn't the computer is because this is how i feel about the computer right seriously this is how i feel about the computer the computer couldn't kick my ass at everything chess madden call duty out whatever game it is the computer has the ability to kick my ass right chat if the computer rations it up you could not be the computer at anything literally the computer can outsmart you out move you shoot you before you get a gun off literally computer is unbeatable and in games it's unbeatable but it dumps itself down so you can compete with that so for me that's like insulting like bro like at what level do i have to put this so i can actually compete with like playing the computer for me it's just it's just like yes like the computer chess is unbeatable chess master is unbeatable room yes if the computer wants to cheat you will if the computer knows you're coming around the corner compute around the corner and call duty you're getting shot it's just how it works never miss a read so for me i don't like playing the computer or anything so anything i mean i like the okay so this is the list that i got it's a reddit post you guys know how i feel about reddit reddit is where the bots that is the bots layer as they say i don't even know this might be too big for you guys they can see this i'm just going to read this this is madden oh let me see if i can just make this smaller so y'all can see it y'all can see it while i read it this is madden franchise options for madden 05 that aren't in madden 20 now first of all this is an this is an ongoing argument throughout like the madden reddit world is that madden 05 and games that their franchise mode was better than this year and to me that's i i just feel like it's fucking insane that to say that that i i just i just don't know i just but full they get to sign a whole coaching staff that that sounds pretty fucking cool i i can't wait to pick my running back coach i just i can't wait that for me that one i honestly don't add more data to my my downloadable madden for me to be able to sign a running back coach i have no desire to do that if you really want to sign a running back coach we are not the same i don't want another gig on my madden downloads so i can sign a running back coach 18 training staff groups to sign with an overall scale i also again i don't that that means nothing full coach ratings and progression i am the coach my mind is the coach you feel me here chat like me playing madden i am the coach i make the decisions i don't care if my coach is a 99 if i want to pun on fourth and one i'm going to pun on fourth and one right now if if that coach then makes your players better maybe that's good but ultimately you control the coach if you win 16 games your coach gets better it's you're in control of the coach okay create a team isn't that what the fuck you're doing creating a team also some some of this some of this baffles me right because i'm a die hard sports fan right it's why i play sports games because i'm a die hard fan right i don't know why you would get in franchise mode and not control your favorite team also if you're not a die hard sports fan what i don't know like how you get enjoyment out of planning for me i want to control the eagles i want to make the controllers tough or the eagles tough but that's me being a diehard you understand so maybe making a creative team would be cool you know but i i would i would mark that as like let's make the law saying or the law s vegas or the law vegas got team now let's make the the the montana miners right i want to make that a team i think that could be in the game why could that not be any game would be cool right online cfm i want a new team boom i want to be the montana miners right it's cfm draft league only i have no problem with that that could definitely be in the game going forward the scout i don't know how to wait bird let me finish this and we'll talk we'll talk we'll talk copy and paste copy and paste everything you said uh rename stadium full player full player wants what does that mean like i want strippers at my signing party rename stadium rename stadium bro we are like once again do not add to my download of men full player wants i don't i mean i really don't know what that is like i want i want to escalate and my signing bonus i really don't know dedicated retirement screen what the hell is that somebody talked to me this is what manual five had that they that they think their franchise man was better restricted free agents now i'm not sure i thought cfm had restricted free agents if and i say this again if cfm doesn't have restricted free agents that's a super l i can't even get over that i i don't really know see in nfl i don't know how restricted free agents are wearing nfl and that if a player is really good the team will resign them you know not a lot of great players in their prime hit free agency like that you know so restricted free agency it's really not a huge part of real life nfl but it's still a part and it's something they should definitely have one million percent compensatory picks yeah i mean that's definitely some things they should have you know but are they think this is why i come to like that's not like a maker of break thing but it definitely one million percent i mean restricted free agents and picks i guess trackable historic stats uh don't they record the stats yeah like they always record the stats for me yeah boos and cheers that trust me mock drafts is pretty cool i like mock drafts i don't know how much i would sit doing a mock draft of my cfm like tomorrow's the draft let me sit and do a mock and see where my play i don't know if i do that so i don't think that's a big deal not from years past i feel like they do i feel like if your player goes off a couple years like big strap we had 30 000 passing yards what do you mean like like they don't have like sunny jergensons or they don't have like norm van brocklin or barge stars not on there is that what you're asking i don't know i i feel like i feel like they recorded my man's stats bro mock drafts like i said that's a little weird live draft with fan reactions yeah that's uh draft grades a to f i feel like they have that to me that negotiable rookie signings were hitting overalls training camp uh i do feel like the offseason was a little bit bullshit in in cfm but for me i want to go back to week one baby right like don't give me no like i don't want to really do training camp oh like give you like they would give like a predicted mock draft like rather than sitting there doing the mock draft okay that's not bad but then you go buck i didn't have to make like fake fake like our espp is putting out this mock draft yeah that's not a bad idea the scouting can be better i i don't really remember what the scouting was like i feel like the scouting was kind of shitty you know i feel like the scouting was kind of shitty but to me i i don't know like how can scouting be in cfm like let's talk about it like how can you make scouting better like this is pretty much what it came down to for me was how fast this is 40 right what's his height it's madden dude like honestly uh yeah i just don't for me it was just how fast did they run honestly that was pretty much the biggest thing for me i was like i was like al davis how fast this guy run i'm picking him up you know draft classes were terrible i did feel like if you didn't have a top 10 pick whoever you had was terrible you know i felt you had no chance of getting a sleeper really what pta sports what are some things you would want to see an in-depth information on a player in madden that would make you want to pick him give me an example of something that you would get from a player in madden or in real life what is some in-depth thing you could do that to find out what he is you know you're not going to watch game film on his player what could they do seriously yeah draft classes bro improving draft classes i agree but that's honestly an easy fix really it should be an easy fix importing draft where are you importing a draft class from okay you can't import a draft class you know you can't get players that they don't have the rights to you know it's like you want a wonder lick test college stats college stats is something i guess they could put in the game but now here we go with now this is what i'll ask and i don't remember for sure do they did they show like real colleges they went to like this person went to texas or this person went to lsu did they say that i want to say they said something like that now i'm just at like ability to edit superstar traits updated terminology now see the franchise guy for me it's like okay update my why would the compute why would the compute i don't understand computer assign calomac to play off ball i control all of that right i control every if i want to put calomac in the yellow zone i control that i don't understand why that type of thing matters honestly import a draft class would be cool um for sure uh all right so once again if we're talking about playing if we are talking about playing the computer i'm i'm i'm honestly not interested in that my incentives and contracts yeah but big bird how would a session well how would an incentive and contract work right it's not real much like explain to me how that would work right i literally control a team okay i have tyree jackson's my quarterback if you pass for 5000 yards you get another million dollars right who gives you shit and ultimately i control whether he does 5000 yards so if i don't want him to get if i don't want him to get the incentive i'll just stop at 4500 or if i do want him to get the incentive i'll get it no seriously like what's where where like like where is the talk to me where is like the the fun in that shit it would be cool if it was like okay you'll get more progression if you reach this point or something you know let's not make it about money though let's make it's about realism and depth it opens up cap space so essentially big bird i could put okay i could give him a 10 million dollar signing bonus and then i could put incentives rather than base salary and i really just don't understand no because y'all have to realize though that this is a big part of gaming really yes i view it i i i view it from i want to play the game that's how i view it you know what i'm saying and and all and all for me is uh let's make my team better to win next week against john down the street that's and you know what i'm saying i don't know anything about 2k is my league well first of all you should never have rules when playing man seriously you should never have rules if you have rule like we're just honestly like yeah but how can you just what i'm saying like how can you i just don't understand the like i don't know man i just don't it's not that i don't understand playing the computer because i used to play the computer before you could plug your shit in the internet i would play like like ncaa like 04 or whatever i would play the hell out of like our dynasty that go that shit was awesome yo on a side note the ncaa on 360 i think the online dynasty in ncaa where you could recruit against your friends oh my god dude absolutely cracked that shit was way better ncfm i replayed yo dynasty bro that yo we used to be cracked on that for one month oh my god dude dynasty and ncaa was awesome it has depth all right let's relax because y'all would complain about that too and and and no for real dynasty was tough but see i enjoyed just playing like and this is where y'all chasing right you got at some point there's no end to to what y'all want there's no end to the realism you know if you get like there's no end until it's literally real you know what i'm saying it's kind of like when i draw a picture right if i'm when i draw a picture my goal is to make it look as real as possible right and that's what you guys want you want i guys want the best simulation of real life team building right for me when i draw it's never perfect i could always keep working because you cannot make it perfect you know what i'm saying so your essential goal is that i want it a perfect simulation of real life you know what i'm saying and for me you'll never get that but you can get a good game to play your friend i just don't you know i'm saying rsl so no doubt man i really just feel like the strive for realism could never end i feel like the people that ask for you know i honestly aggravated aggravated cardinals fan i don't i feel like cfm is pretty damn fun i don't know i really feel like it's it's fun i really do now i could see if i was playing the computer and didn't have the competitive aspect of it it might suck but and this is where i challenge you guys man and i know all of us that are competitive are just kind of wired a little bit differently but and it's hard for me to understand how everybody isn't wired like that you know it's like i wish i could open your eyes to how much fun being competitive and something is you know and i want to know why people shy away from that really yes exactly simulation will never exist it just will never be perfect yes what pta sports i don't know if you're everyone understand because you approach man from a standpoint of what happens on the field only yes yes like davie please i i wish i like but it goes back to the point like i played a game to play against my friends you know you know i used to play yo i used to love playing campaign solo can i have no desire to play solo games bro all right nfl has lawyers it is it is rigs i tell you it is completely two different worlds but i feel like one of my as i i put in this spot is to kind of try my best to understand like kind of unite everyone and i feel like one of the problems that we both have is that we kind of turn our noses up to the other side of the black the gamers right and one of and this is one of the problems with madden's growth is that we are so separated whereas most other games they're they're not it's not this biggest separations oh i thought i thought you said lawyers nfl has layers i guess man but now you get into a point where like do we want the man game or do we want like nfl head coach i love building my team really you know 2k is terrible bro man man is better than 2k it just is 2k is not good what are you asking big bird you're basically really releasing mud every season yeah i was thinking as i was taking a shower before showing shaving my head i hope you guys see it looks pretty good today you see can almost see like my reflection but i was thinking bro i think they should give you 10% of your coins that you have this year for the next game like if i have a million coins i should start next year with 100k just just just a thought i'm going out there that's all a separate game that's i mean really if you're not adding big bird i agree i feel like they should all they should definitely add something at any chance they get they should add something i agree with that 1 million percent i really do um i never went to sell coins ever i i i like the the randomness of the packs i like having to play to earn coins and everything they definitely should add something really but i mean it goes into what what is their mindset you know what is their thought process i don't even know what they updated the man 21 update you know gills i mean i i some people do want to compete some people want to play cfm bro i want everybody i want honestly i want everybody to watch me so i'm not i laugh at you cfmers but i want to understand like i i want to get into the cfm world not that i want to get i don't want to i don't want to play the computer and worry about restrictive free agents and stuff but i'd like to appeal to the cfm people sometimes man see andrew cfm is a connected franchise where everybody is in a league and they represent one team in a league and they play seasons and play awesome things like that yeah and here's another question for you cfm guys right now obviously cfm makes them zero micro transaction money right mutt is the cash cowl of ea right so naturally they will put they put um naturally they'll put all their emphasis into what makes them the most money which a business will if whatever business you guys are in uh it's completely makes sense so it's tough to really blame them for that right and this is what i ask you hardcore cfm guys what if they made parts of cfm um viable micro transactions within the cfm do you guys think but along with that that's what i'm saying along with that comes a lot more attention to detail a lot more uh focus from ea you know to folk because it's making them money now now it's just a side work that's what i'm saying bird that's what i'm asking like say okay now you pay five dollars to rename your stadium you know or something along those lines or you know what i'm saying i don't know so it's like is that something you guys think would help because then not only does it come with the added part of buying extra stuff now they're adding they're now they're focusing more on that feat or that particular portion of their game yeah i don't know why people think 2k is so good you know why to like people just think the other side like the grass is greener on the other side you know literally anybody could put out a football game we would say is better than mad because it's the only thing we have you know it's like you've been hitting the same chick for for how long man been out 30 years of course the next door neighbor to the cute girl next door is she looks a little bit better than the chick you've been hitting for 30 years right it's kind of just natural you know i see bird yeah for sure i don't know yeah 2k is not 2k is not good bro seriously like like seriously i honestly feel like i maybe i don't i i like cfm i felt like it was good i felt like progressing my players was cool i think uh with the abilities i feel like it shouldn't be random abilities i feel like you should kind of have to like add points like kind of get points to the all right escape artist is 5 000 points you get five points a game whatever it may be so you move up and you can you can actually like strive for that ability or something rather than a random ability but we'll see yeah honestly pack a tiger it's actually crazy that man is 60 still man should be 1 million percent free like let's get over it man like for real let's just every video game itself should be free because the best games in the world right now are free 1 million percent man it has signatures throwing motions let's relax and honestly but throwing motions aren't that much different than than than as jump shots are different come on dude you guys like this is bodysh clef was good man yeah big bird i understand i played a lot this year for real i really did yeah but i really don't want to i can't even do a wishlist we're closing it on two hours on the show i don't really want to add nothing to the wishlist yeah seriously yeah a rod does so much different than that he goes so much different than andy dalton compared to jump shots jump shots are way different i do agree they could have a lot more different thing but there's really not that much signature i think more signature i don't know man no we're not doing wishlist we're not doing this gonna piss me off bro i've always wanted to talk to the guys that say cheese and like i feel like to see if i'm guys are big like oh that you just run cheese that's why they win i play a lot kunzi just for you man pay ten dollars to unlock mutt i think the whole game should be free we pay enough thousands and thousands of dollars let's be real i don't think there's a person in this room where over 400 people in here that doesn't pay like the initial price of the game is like the least amount we'll pay all year honestly ah big bird no doubt man the biggest thing is man at the end of the day man is man daffy yeah i got you bro i will rate how about this you hit the sub we'll rate j hops 10 right now bro you just followed me daffy matter of fact give me a paragraph daffy give me a paragraph on why we should raid j hops 10 give me a paragraph you got two minutes to give me a paragraph on why we raid your cousin j hops 10 give me a paragraph all right you got two minutes listen it better be compelling the chat will give you a thumbs up or thumbs down whether or not we raid j hops 10 that's it pta for sure man anytime reach out i try to answer everybody reaches out something but no but i'm saying but i'm saying along here but you you definitely over 60 bucks though yeah i own my car yeah that'd be tough bro a customized my car would be tough that would be awesome man eddie eyeballs is tough for real for real let's see i'm waiting for this guy's paragraph like where are we at right now we are we've been live for an hour and 55 minutes now so an hour and 57 if he doesn't put his paragraph on why we should raid j hops 10 then i we're not going to do it man no video games no video games before we had to pay extra extra money afterwards i had no problem with being 60 i think ps playstation the original one they were like 30 bucks you know what i'm saying chat so it's like video games i don't want to say they were worth it now i think custom uniforms would be ass uh and i say that juice man is because i mean i've been playing a lot of mlb the last couple months and everybody's uniforms are ass like it's not like nobody has good you know nobody has good uniforms father we game every night buddy you know let's see definitely where's the where's the paragraph man daffy fn 69 where's the paragraph bro put it in the chat everybody is ready for your paragraph man bro you got 55 seconds my cousin is grinding every day to get more viewers it's his birthday and he makes money flipping shoes it would really make him happy i would appreciate it uh how we feeling chat how we feeling about my man daffy's daffy's paragraph what's his daffy let me tell you what's his twitch what's his twitch put put his name in the chat daffy what's his name let's check them out boys else i mean i didn't really want to get off i might host him in shofa i don't get back home but what's it what's his bro what's it what daffy what's his what's his ad bro j hops 10 all right j this is what happens on a new podcast boys let's check it out though we got we got a scout the scene right we can't just hop in there but naked right i mean pause but maybe not pause let's see what we got here boys i mean we don't get a face cam all right let's see if he makes one good play chat chat he's got the seahawks oh spin move with a coy okay okay how we feeling about this chat how we feeling talk to me now let's go back with this one we need one good play out of j hops 10 bro he's setting audibles okay okay the formation he comes out in first place i want to say a lot what does he go with here boys okay ace he got a right under no ability on the quarterback okay he got two streaks okay i like i like where he's going i like where he's going he's street glitching oh okay okay okay okay okay yeah waller and calvin johnson out there okay is he going for it again oh one streak and one slant okay two streaks okay oh he's going double coverage i mean this guy i mean he's got a complete one we got a complete one is he going back to this okay j hops 10 he at least got to be on the mic is he on the mic he got to be on the mic if he's not on the mic we're dancing i mean not already there he is oh dot okay is he going back to streak so he's going stretch okay okay seven viewers seven viewers okay for a 20 minute since e davis followed me no way felt like it was just why juke i'm terrible josh talk am i not talking all right give me your name check your name check your name yeah your name man no no no cap you can hear me yeah okay i'm watching i see a couple years i see a couple names i feel like we're 50 50 right now yeah just for that yeah you all share my daffy second uh second now give him a half hour who else we got here boys i want to host one of these fucking shit so maybe they'll host me one day maybe they'll host me one day all right who else is streaming bro give me somebody i actually know c ballin j hops 10 bro i need a facecam for stream oh cfm dude who's this guy j wade chill stream got a facecam this stream looks pretty good too hot wheels okay who's this hot read head to head seasons okay hot read this stream look pretty good let's see what he says let's see if you know why what's up what's up buddy this might be my guy right chat this was the new part of youtube this was the new package episode 87