Book 2, chapters 1 through 5 of Against Jovinianius by Saint Jerome. This Librivox recording is in the public domain. The second proposition of Jovinianius is that the baptize cannot be tempted by the devil, and to escape the imputation of folly in saying this he adds, But if any are tempted, it only shows that they were baptized with water, not with the Spirit. As we read in the case of Simon Magus. Hence it is that John says, Whosoever is begotten of God, do with no sin, because his seed abideth in him. And he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil. And at the end of the epistle, whosoever is begotten of God, sineth not. But this being begotten of God, keepeth him, and the evil one touches him not. This would be a real difficulty, and one forever incapable of solution, where it not solved by the witness of John himself, who immediately goes on to say, My little children, guard yourself from idols. If everyone that is born of God, sineth nots, and cannot be tempted by the devil, how is it that he bids them beware of temptation? Again in the same epistle we read, if we say that we have no sins, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful, and just to forgive our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. I suppose that John was baptized, and was writing to the baptized. I imagine too that all sin is of the devil. Now John confesses himself a sinner, in hopes for forgiveness of sins after baptism. My friend Jovenianius says, Touch me not, for I am clean. What then, does the apostle contradict himself? By no means. In the same passage, he gives his reason for thus speaking. My little children, these things I write unto you, that ye may not sin. But if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father. Jesus Christ the righteous, and he is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world. And hereby know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But those who keepeth his word, in him barely hath the love of God being perfected. Hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith, he abideth in him, ought also to walk, even as he walked. My reason for telling you, little children, is that everyone who is born of God sineth not. Is that you may not sin, and that you may know that so long as you sin not, you abide in the birth which God has given you. Yea, they who abide in that birth cannot sin. For what communion hath light with darkness, or Christ with plile? As day is distinct from night, so righteousness and unrighteousness. Sin and good works, Christ and anti-Christ cannot blend. If we give Christ a lodging place in our hearts, we banish the devil from fence. If we sin, and the devil enter through the gate of sin, Christ will immediately withdraw. And Stavud, after sinning, says, Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation, that is, the joy which he had lost by sinning. He who saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Christ is called the truth, I am the way, the truth, and the life. In vain do we make our boast in him, whose commandments we keep not. To him that knoweth what is good, and doeth it not, it is sin. As the body apart from the spirit is dead, even so faith apart from works is dead. We must not think it a great matter to know the only God when even the devils believe and tremble. He that saith, he abideth in him, ought himself also to walk, even as he walked. Our opponent may choose whichever of the two he likes. We give him his choice. Does he abide in Christ or not? If he abide, let him then walk as Christ walked. But if there is rashness in professing to copy the virtues of our Lord, he does not abide in Christ, for he does not walk as did Christ. He did not sin, neither was Gael found in his mouth. When he was reviled, he reviled not again, and as a lamb is dumb before its shearer, so opened he not his mouth. To him came the prince of this world and found nothing in him, although he had done no sin. God made him sin for us, but we, according to the epistle of James, all stumble in many ways. And no one is pure from sin. No, not of his life be but a single day. For who will boast that he has a clean heart, or who will be sure that he is pure from sin? And we are held guilty after the similitude of Adam's transgression. Hence David says, Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. And the blessed Job, though I be righteous, my mouth will speak wickedness, and though I be perfect, I shall be found perverse. If I wash myself with snow water, and make my hands never so clean, yet wilt thou plunge me in the ditch, and my own clothes shall abhor me. But that we may not utterly despair, and think that if we sin after baptism we cannot be saved, he immediately checks the tendency. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and he is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world. He addresses this to baptized believers, and he promises them the Lord as an advocate for their offenses. He does not say, if you fall into sin, you have an advocate with the Father, Christ, and he is the propitiation for your sins. You might then say that he was addressing those whose baptism had been destitute of the true faith. But what he says is this, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ, and he is the propitiation for our sins, and not only for the sins of John and his contemporaries, but for those of the whole world. Now in the whole world are included apostles and all the faithful, and a clear proof is established that sin after baptism is possible. It is useless for us to have an advocate, Jesus Christ, if sin be impossible. The apostle Peter to whom it was said, He that is bathed need not to wash again, and thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church. Through fear of a maidservant denied him, our Lord himself says, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan asked to have you, that he might sift you as wheat, but I made supplication for thee, that thy faith fail not. And in the same place, watch and pray that ye enter not into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. If you reply that this was said before the Passion, we certainly say after the Passion, in the Lord's Prayer, Forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors, and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. If we do not sin after baptism, why do we ask that we may be forgiven our sins, which we were already forgiven in baptism? Why do we pray that we may not enter temptation, and that we may be delivered from the evil one, if the devil cannot tempt those who are baptized? The case is different if this prayer belongs to catechumens, and is not adopted to faithful Christians. Paul, the chosen vessel, chastised his body, and brought it into subjection. Lest, after preaching to others, he himself should be found a retrovate. And he tells that there was given to him a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to buffet him. And to the Corinthians he writes, I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled, even his craftiness, your mind should be corrupted from the simplicity that is toward Christ. And elsewhere, but to whom ye forgive anything, I forgive also. For what I also have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, for your sakes I have forgiven it in the person of Christ, that no advantage may be gained over us by Satan.  And again, there hath no temptation taken you, but such as man can bear. But God is faithful. We will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able. But will with the temptation make also the way of escape, that ye may be able to endure it. And let him that thinketh ye standeth, take heed lest ye fall. And to the Galatians, ye were running well, who did hinder you, that ye should not obey the truth. And elsewhere, we would fain have come unto you, I, Paul, once and again, and Satan hindered us. And to the Marynd he says, be together again, that Satan tempts you not because of your incontinency. And again, but I say, walk by the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh. These are contrary, the one to the other. Ye may not do the things that ye would. We are a compound of the two, and must endure the strife of the two substances. And to the Ephesians, our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Does anyone think that we are safe and that it is right to fall asleep when once we have been baptized? And so too in the epistle to the Hebrews, for as touching those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost and tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance, seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh and put Him to an open shame. Surely we cannot deny that they have been baptized who have been illuminated and have tasted the heavenly gifts and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit and have tasted the good word of God. But if the baptized cannot sin, how is it now that the apostle says and have fallen away? Montana's and Novata's would smile at this, for they contend that it is impossible to renew again through repentance those who have crucified to themselves the Son of God. And he put Him to an open shame. He therefore corrects this mistake by saying, but beloveds, we are persuaded better things of you and the things that accompany salvation though we thus speak, for God is not unrighteous to forgive your work in the love which he showed towards his name and that ye minister unto the saints and still do minister and truly the unrighteousness of God would be great if he merely punished sin and did not welcome good works. I have so spoken, says the apostle, to withdraw you from your sins and to make you more careful through fear of despair. But beloved, I am persuaded better things of you and things that accompany salvation, for it is not accordance with the righteousness of God to forget good works and the fact that you have ministered and do minister to the saints for his namesake and to remember sins only. The apostle, James also, knowing that the baptized can be tempted and fall of their own free choice, says, Blessed is the man that endureth temptation, for when he hath been approved, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord promised to them that love him. But that we may not think that we are tempted by God. As we read in Genesis, Abraham was, he adds, let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God, for God himself cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempteth no man. But each man is tempted when he is drawn away by his own must and enticed. Then the lusts, when it has conceived, beareth sin, and the sin, when it is full grown, bringeth forth death. God created us with free will, and we are not forced by necessity either to virtue or to vice. Otherwise, if there be necessity, there is no crown. As in good works, it is God who brings them to perfection, for it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runeth, but of God that piteeth, and give us help, that we may be able to reach the goal. So in things wicked and sinful, the seeds within us give us the impulse, and these are brought to maturity by the devil. When he sees that we are building upon the foundation of Christ, he would stubble, then he applies the match. Let us then build gold, silver, costly stones, and he will not venture to tempt us. Although even thus there is not sure and safe possession, for the lion lurks in ambush to slay the innocent. Potter's vessels are proved by the furnace, and just men by the trial of tribulation. And in another place it is written, my son, when thou comest to serve the Lord, prepare thyself for temptation. Again the same James says, be ye doers of the word, and not heirs only. For if anyone is a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in the mirror, for he beholdeth himself and goeth away, and straight away forgeteth what manner of man he was. It is useless to warn them to add works to faith. If they could not sin after baptism, he tells us that whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he has become guilty of all. Which of us is without sin?  Peter also says, the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptation, and concerning false teachers, these are springs without water, and mist driven by a storm, for whom the blackness of darkness hath been reserved. For uttering proud words of vanity, they entice in the lusts of the flesh by levatiousness, those who had just escaped and have turned back to error. Does not the apostle in these words seem to you to have depicted the new party of ignorance? For as it were, they opened the fountains of knowledge, and yet have no water. They promise a shower of doctrine like prophetic clouds, which have been visited by the truth of God, and are driven back by the storms of devils and vices. They speak great things, and their talk is nothing but pride. But everyone is unclean with God, who is lifted up in his own heart. Like those who had just escaped from their sins, they return to their own error, and persuade men to luxury, and to the delights of eating, and the gratification of the flesh. For who is not glad to hear them say, let us eat and drink and reign forever? The wise and prudence they call corrupt, but pay more attention to the honey tongue. John the apostle, or rather the savior in the person of John, writes thus to the angel of the church of Ephesus, I know thy works in thy toil and patience, and that thou didest bear for my namesake, and hast not grown weary. But I have this against thee, that thou didest leave thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works. Or else I will come to thee, and I will move thy candlestick out of its place, except thou repent. Similarly, he urges the other churches, Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Leodicea, to repent, and threatens them unless they return to the former works. And in Sardis he says, he has a few who have not defiled their garments, and they shall walk with him in white, for they are worthy. But they to whom he says, remember from whence thou art fallen, and behold the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried. And I know where thou dwellest, even where Satan's throne is, and remember how thou hast received, and didest hear, and keep it, and repent, and so on. Were, of course, believers, and baptized, who once stood, but fell through sin. I delayed for a little while the production of proofs from the Old Testament, because wherever the Old Testament is against them, they are accustomed to cry out that the law and the prophets wore until John. But who does not know that under the other dispensation of God, all the saints of pastimes were of equal merit with Christians at the present day? As Abraham and days gone by pleased God in wedlock, so virgins now please him in perpetual virginity. He served the law in his own times, let us now serve the gospel in our times, upon whom the ends of the ages have come. David the Chosen One, the man after God's own heart, who had performed all his pleasure, and who in a certain psalm had said, Judge me, O Lord, for I have walked in mine integrity. I have trusted also in the Lord, and shall not slide. Examine me, O Lord, and prove me. Try my reigns and my heart. Even he was afterwards tempted by the devil, and repenting of his sin said, Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy loving-kindness. He would have a great sin blotted out by great loving-kindness. Solomon, beloved of the Lord, and to whom God had twice revealed himself, because he loved women, forsook the love of God. It is related in the book of days that Manassas, the wicked king, was restored after the Babylonish captivity to his former rank. In Josiah, a holy man was slain by the king of Egypt on the plain of Megiddo. Joshua also, the son of Josedek, and the high priests, although he was a type of our savior who bore our sins, and united to himself a church of alien birth from among the Gentiles, he is nevertheless, according to the letter of Scripture, represented in filthy garments after he attained to the priesthood, and with the devil standing at his right hand, and white raiment is afterwards restored to him. It is needless to tell how Moses and Aaron offended God at the water of strife and did not enter the land of promise, for the blessed Job relates that even the angels and every creature can sin. Shall mortal man, he says, be just before God. Shall a man be spotless in his works? If he puteth no trust in his servants, then chargeeth his angels with folly. How much more them that dwell in houses of clay amongst whom are we, and made of the same clay too? The life of man is a warfare upon earth. Lucifer fell, who was sending to all the nations. And he who was nurtured in a paradise of delight as one of the twelve precious stones was wounded and went down to hell from the mount of God. Hence the Savior says in the Gospel, I beheld Satan falling as lightning from heaven. If he fell who stood on so sublime a heights, who may not fall? If there are falls in heaven, how much more on earth? And yet though Lucifer be fallen, the old serpent after his fall, his strength is in his loins, and his great force is in the muscles of his belly. The great trees are overshadowed by him, and he sleepeth beside the reed, the rush in the sedge. He is king over all things that are in the waters, that is to say in the seat of pleasure and luxury, a propagation of children, and of the fertilization of the marriage bed. For who can strip off his outer garments? Who can open the doors of his face? Nations fatten upon him, and the tribes of Phoenicia divide him. Unless happily the reader in his secret thought might imagine that those tribes of Phoenicia and the people of Ethiopia only are meant by those to whom the dragon was given for food, we immediately find a reference to those who are crossing the sea of this world and are hastening to reach the haven of salvation. His head stands in the ships of the fishermen, like an anvil that cannot be worried. He counteth iron as straw and brass as rotten wood, and all the gold of the sea under him is as mire. He maketh the deep to boil like a pot. He values the sea like a pot of ointment, and the blackness of the deep as a captive. He beholdeth everything that is nigh, and my friend Jovinianus thinks he can gain an easy mastery over him. Why speak of holy men and angels, who, being the creatures of God, are of course capable of sin? He dares to tempt the Son of God, and those spittin' through and through with our Lord's first and second answer, nevertheless raised his head, and then thrice wounded, withdrew only for a time and deferred rather than removed the temptation. And we flatter ourselves on the ground of our baptism, which, though it put away the sins of the past, cannot keep us for the time to come, unless the baptized keep their hearts with all diligence. At length we have arrived at the question of food and are confronted by our third difficulty. All things are created for the use of mortal men. And as man, a rational animal, in a sense the owner and tenant of the world is subject to God and worships his Creator. So all things living were created either for the food of men, or for clothing, or for tilling the earth, or conveying the fruits thereof, or to be the companions of man. And hence, because they are man's helpers, they have their name Jumentia.  Thou madeest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands. Thou hast put all things under his feet, all sheep and oxen, yea, the beasts of the field, the fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, whatsoever patheth through the paths of the sea. Granted, he says, that the ox was created for plowing, the horse for riding, the dog for watching, the goats for their milk, sheep for their fleeces. What is the use of swine, if we may not eat their flesh? Of rose, stags, fallow deer, boars, hares, and like such game, of geese, wild and tame, of wild ducks, and fig-peckers, of woodcocks, of coots, or thrushes. Why do hens run about our houses, if they were not eaten? All these creatures were created by God for nothing. But what need is there of argument when Scripture clearly teaches that every moving creature, like herbs and vegetables, were given to us for food? And the apostle cries aloud, all things are clean to the clean, and nothing is to be rejected, if it is to be received with thanksgiving. And tells us that men will come in the last days, forbidding to marry and to eat meats, which God created for use. The Lord himself was called by the Pharisees a wine-biber and a glutton, the friend of publicans and sinners, because he did not decline the invitation of Zacchaeus to dinner and went to the marriage feast. But it is a different matter, if you may foolishly contend, he went to the dinner intending to fast. And after the manner of deceivers said, I eat this, not that, I do not drink the wine, which I created out of water. He did not make water, but wine, the type of his blood. After the resurrection he ate a fish and part of a honeycomb, not sesame nuts and service berries. The apostle Peter did not wait like a Jew for the stars to peep, but went upon the housetop to dine at the sick tower. Paul, in the ship, broke bread, not dried figs. When Timothy's stomach was out of order, he advised him to drink wine, not parry. And abstaining from meats, they pleased their own fancy, as those superstitious Gentiles did not observe the rites of abstinence connected with the mother of the gods and with Isis. End of book two, chapters one through five. Book two, chapters six through 10 of Against Jovinianius by Saint Jerome. The sleep of ox recording is in the public domain. I will follow in detail the views now expounded. And before I come to scripture and show by it that fasting is pleasing to God and chastity accepted by him, I will meet philosophic argument with arguments and will prove that we are not followers of Empedocles and Pythagoras, who on account of their doctrine of the trans migration of souls, think nothing which lives and moves should be eaten and look upon him who fell a fir tree or an oak as equally guilty with the parasite or the poisoner, but that we worship our Creator who made all things for the use of man. And as the ox was created for plowing, the horse for riding, dogs for watching, goats for milk, sheep for their wool, so it was with swine and stags and rose and hairs and other animals. But the immediate purpose of their creation was not that they might serve for food but for other uses of men. For if everything that moves and lives was made for food and prepared for the stomach, let my opponents tell me why elephants, lions, leopards and wolves were created, why vipers, scorpions, bugs, lice and fleas, why the vulture, the eagle, the crow, the hawk, why whales, dolphins, seals and small snails were created.  As then these have their proper uses, so may we say that other beasts, fishes, birds were created not for eating but for medicine. In short, to how many uses the flesh of vipers from which we make our antidotes against poison may be applied, positions know well. Ivory dust is an ingredient in many remedies. Naena's gall restores brightness to the eyes and it's dung, that of dogs, cures, gangrenous wounds. And it may seem strange to the reader. Galeon asserts in his treaties on symbols that human dung is of service in a multitude of cases. Naturalists say that snakeskin, boiled in oil, gives wonderful relief in earache. What to the uninitiated seems so useless as a bug. It's supposed a leech to have fastened on the throat. As soon as the odor of a bug is inhaled, the leech is vomited out. And difficulty in urinating is relieved by the same application. As for the fat of pigs, geese, fowls, and pheasants, how useful they are is told in all medical works. And if you read these books, you will see there that the vulture has as many curative properties as it has limbs. Peacock's dung allays the inflammation of gout. Brains, storks, eagle's gall, hawk's blood, the ostrich, frogs, chameleons, swallows dung, and flesh. And what diseases these are suitable remedies, I could tell if it were my purpose to discuss bodily ailments in their cure. If you think proper, you may read Aristotle and Theophrasties in prose. Or Marcellus of side, in our Flavius, who discourse on these subjects in hexamer verse. The second Pliny also, Indioscordes, and others, both naturalists and physicians who assign to every herb, every stone, every animal, whether reptile, bird, or fish, its own use in the art of which they treat. So then, when you ask me why the pig was created, I immediately reply, as if two boys were disputing, by asking you why were vipers and scorpions. You must not judge that anything from the hand of God is superfluous, because there are many beasts and birds which your palate rejects. But this may perhaps look more like contentiousness and pugnacity than truth. Let me tell you, therefore, that pigs and wild boars and stags and the rest of living creatures were created, that soldiers, athletes, sailors, rhetoricians, miners, and other slaves of hard toil who need physical strength might have food. And also those who carry arms and provisions, who wear themselves out with the work of hand or foot, who ply the oar, who need good lungs to shout and speak, who level mountains and sleep out rain or fare. But our religion does not train boxers, athletes, soldiers, or ditchers, but followers of wisdom who devote themselves to the worship of God and know why they were created and are in the world from which they are impatient to depart. And also the apostle says, when I am weak, then I am strong. And though our outward man is decaying, yet our inward man is renewed day by day. And I have the desire to depart and be with Christ and make not provision for the flesh to fulfill the lust thereof. Are all commanded not to have two coats nor food in their script, money in their purse, a staff in their hand, shoes on the feet, or to sell all they possess and give to the poor and follow Jesus? Of course not. But the command is for those who wish to be perfect. On the contrary, John the Baptist lays down one role for the soldiers, another for the public ends. But the Lord says in the gospel, to him who had boasted of having kept the whole law, if thou wilt be perfect, go and sell all that thou hast and give to the poor and come follow me. That he might not seem to lay a heavy burden on unwilling shoulders. He sent his hear away with full power to please himself saying, if thou wilt be perfect.  If you wish to be perfect, it is better to enrich your mind than to stuff the body.  Eat and drink. And if you like with Israel, rise up and play and sing.  Let him eat and drink, who looks for death when he has feasted. Who says with Epicurious, there is nothing after death. Death itself is nothing. We believe Paul when he says in tones of thunder, Needs for the belly and the belly for meats, but God will destroy both them and it. I have quoted these few passages of scripture to show that we are not one with the philosophers, but who does not know that no universal law of nature regulates the food of all nations and that each eats those things of which it has an abundance. For instance, the Arabians and the Saracens in all the wild tribes of the desert live on camel's milk and flesh. The camel is suit to the climate and barren soil of those regions is easily bred and reared. They think it wicked to eat the flesh of swine. Why? Because pigs which fatten on acorns, chestnuts, roots of ferns and barley are seldom or never found among them. And if they were found, they would not afford the nourishment of which we spoke just now. The exact opposite is the case with the northern peoples. If you were to force them to eat the flesh of asses and camels, they would think it the same as though they were compelled to devour a wolf or a crow. Imphontus and Fyriga, Apatyrfamilius pays a good price for fat white worms with blackish heads which breed in decayed wood. And as with us, the Woodcock and Figpecker, the mullet and scar are reputed delicacies.  Again, because throughout the glowing wastes of the desert clouds of locusts are found. It is customary with the people of the east and of Libya to feed on locusts. John the Baptist proves the truth of this. Compel the Fyrigan or the native of Pontus to eat a locust and he will think it scandalous. Force a Syrian, an African or Arabian to swallow worms. You will have the same contempt for them as for flies, millipedes and lizards. Although the Syrians are accustomed to eat land crocodiles and the Africans even green lizards. In Egypt and Palestine, owing to the scarcity of cattle, no one eats beef or makes the flesh of bulls or oxen or calves a portion of their food. Moreover, in my province, it is considered a crime to eat veal. Accordingly, the emperor Valens recently pulmigated a law throughout the east prohibiting the killing and eating of calves. He had in view the interests of agriculture and wished to check the bad practice of the commoner sort of people who imitated the Jews in devouring the flesh of calves instead of fouls and suckling pigs. The nomad tribes and the troglodytes and the Sythians and the barbarous huns with whom we have recently become acquainted eat flesh half raw. Moreover, the Ixliaphygide, a wandering race on the shores of the Red Sea, boil fish on the stones made hot by the sun and subsist on this poor food. The Samaritans and the Chuadai, the Vandals and the countless other races delight in the flesh of horses and wolves. Why should I speak of other nations when I myself, a youth on a visit to Gaul, heard that the Attakoti, a British tribe eat human flesh and that although they find herds of swine and droves of large or small cattle in the woods, it is their custom to cut off the buttocks of the shepherds and the breasts of their women and to regard them as the greatest delicacies. The Scots have no wives of their own as though they read Plato's Republic and took cattle for their leader. No man among them has his own wife, but like beasts they indulge their lust to their heart's content. The Persians, Medes, Indians and Ethiopians, people on Apar with Rome itself, have intercourse with mothers and grandmothers, with daughters and granddaughters. The Sagittae and Derbix think those persons most unhappy who die of sickness and when parents, kindred or friends reach old age they are murdered and devoured. It is thought better that they should be eaten by the people themselves than by the worms. The Tabarini crucify those whom they have loved before when they have grown old. The Hyrconi throw them out half alive to the birds and dogs. The Caspians leave them dead for the same beasts. The Synthians bury alive with the remnants of the dead, those who were beloved of the deceased. The Bacterians throw their old men to dogs which they rear for the very purpose. And when Stasinor, Alexander's general, wished to correct the practice, he almost lost his province. Force an Egyptian to drink sheep's milk, drive if you can, a Palusio to eat an onion. Almost every city in Egypt venerates its own beasts and monsters and would ever be the object of worship, that they think inviolable and sacred. Hence it is that their towns also are named after animals. Lianto, Sino, Lyco, Pizzeris, Emmaus, which is being interpreted as he goats. And to make us understand what sort of gods Egyptians always welcomed, one of their cities was recently called Anteos, after Hadrian's favorite. You see clearly then that not only in eating, but also in burial, in wedlock, and in every other department of life, each race follows its own practice and particular usages and takes that for the law of nature, which is most familiar to it. But suppose all nations alike ate flesh and let that be everywhere lawful which the place produces. How does it concern us whose conversation is in heaven? Who as well as Pythagoras and Empedocles and all lovers of wisdom are not bound to the circumstances of our birth, but of our new birth, who by abstinence subject our refractory flesh eager to follow the alormance of lust. Eating a flesh and drinking of wine and fullness of stomach is the seed plot of lust. And so the comic poet says, Venus shivers unless serious and back us be with her. Through the five senses as through open windows, vice has access to the soul. Metropolis and citadel of the mind cannot be taken unless the enemy have previously entered by its doors. The soul is distressed by the disorder they produce and is led captive by sight, hearing, smell, taste, and touch. If anyone delights in the sports of the circus or the struggles of athletes, the versatility of actors, the figure of women, and splendid jewels, dress, silver, and gold, and other things of the kind, the liberty of the soul is lost through the windows of the eyes and the prophet's words are fulfilled. Death is come up into our windows. Again, our sense of hearing is flattered by the tones of various instruments and the modulations of the voice. And whatever enters the ear by the songs of the poets and comedians, by the pleasantries and verses of pantomonic actors, weakens the manly fiber of the mind. Then again, no one but a profligate denies that the profligates and licentious find a delight in sweet odors. Different sorts of incense, fragrant bosom, kufi, onanethi, and musk, which is nothing but the skin of a foreign rat.  And as it were, fetters the heart and keeps it pressed down upon the earth. For the sake of a temporary gratification of the appetite, land and sea are ransacked and we toil and sweat our lives through, that we may send down our throats, honey wine, and costly food. The desire to handle other men's persons and the burning lust for women is a passion boarding on insanity. To gratify this sense we languish, grow angry, throw ourselves about with joy, indulge envy, engage in rivalry, are filled with anxiety. And when we have terminated the pleasure with more or less repentance, we once more take fire and want to do that which we again regret doing. Where, then, that which we may call the thin edge of disturbance has entered the citadel of the mind through these doors. What will become of its liberty, its endurance, its thought of God, particularly since the sense of touch can picture to itself even bygone pleasures, and through the recollection of vice forces the soul to take part in them. And after a manner to practice what it does not actually commit. At the call of reasoning, such as this, many philosophers have forsaken the crowded cities and their pleasure gardens in the suburbs with well-watered grounds, shady trees, twittering birds, crystal fountains, murmuring books, and many charms for eye and ear, lest through luxury and abundance of riches the firmness of the mind should be enfeebled and its purity debauched. For there is no good in frequently seeing objects which may one day lead to your captivity or in making trial of things which you would find it hard to do without. Even the Pythagoreans shunned company of this kind and were once to dwell in solitary places in the desert. The Platonists also and the Stoics lived in the groves and porticoes of the temples that admonished by the sanctity of their restricted abode, he might think of nothing but virtue. Plato, moreover himself, when Diogenes trampled on his couches with muddy feet, he, being a rich man, chose a house called Academia, at some distance from the city in a spot not only lonely but unhealthy so that he might have leisure for philosophy. His object was that by constant anxiety about sickness the assaults of lust might be defeated and that his disciples might experience no pleasure but that afforded by the things they learned. We have read of some who took out their own eyes lest through sight they might lose contemplation of philosophy. Hence it was that crates the famous Theobin after throwing into the sea a considerable weight of gold exclaimed, go to the bottom, evil lusts, I will drown you that you may not drown me. But if anyone thinks to enjoy keenly meat and drink in excess and at the same time to devote himself to philosophy, that is to say to live in luxury and yet not be hampered by the vices attendant on luxury, he deceives himself. Or if it be the case that even when far distant from them we are frequently caught in the snares of nature and are compelled to desire those things of which we have a scant supply, what folly it is to think we are free when we are surrounded by the nets of pleasure. We think of what we see, hear, smell, taste, handle and are led to desire the thing which affords us pleasure. The mind sees and hears and that we can neither hear nor see anything unless our senses are fixed upon the object of sight and hearing is an old saw. It is difficult or rather impossible when we are swimming in luxury and pleasure not to think of what we are doing. And it is an idle pretense which some men put forward that they can take their fill of pleasure with their faith and purity and mental uprightness and unimpaired. It is a violation of nature to revel in pleasure and the apostle gives a caution against this very thing when he says, she that giveth herself to pleasure is dead while she liveth. The bodily senses are like horses madly racing but the soul like a charioteer holds the reins and his horses without a driver go at breakneck speed so the body if it's be not governed by the reasonable soul rushes to its own destruction. The philosophers make use of another illustration of the relations between soul and body. They say the body is a boy, the soul his tutor and hence the historian tells us that our soul directs our body serves. The one we have in common with the gods the other with the beasts. So then, unless the vices of youth and boyhood are regulated by the wisdom of the tutor every effort and every impulse sets strongly in the direction of wantonness. We might lose four of the senses and yet live. That is we could do without sight, hearing, smell and the pleasures of touch but a human cannot subsist without tasting food. It follows that reason must be present that we may take food of such kind and in such quantities as will not burden the body or hinder the free movement of the soul. Or it is the same way with us that we eat and walk and sleep and digest our food and afterwards in the fullness of blood have to bear the spur of lust. Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler. Whosoever has much to do with these is not wise and we should not take such food as is difficult of digestion or such as when eaten will give us reason to complain that we got it and lost it with much effort. The preparation of vegetables, fruits and pulses easy and does not require the skill of expensive cooks. Our bodies are nourished by them with little trouble in our parts and have taken in moderation. Such food is easier to digest and at less cost because it does not stimulate the appetite and therefore is not devoured with much avidity. No one has his stomach inflated or overloaded if he eats only one or two dishes and those inexpensive ones. Such a condition comes of pampering the taste with a variety of meats. The smells of the kitchen may induce us to eat but when hunger is satisfied they make us their slaves. And scorching gives rise to disease. And many persons find relief for the discomfort of gluttony and ametics. What they disgrace themselves by putting in was still greater disgrace put out. End of book two, chapters six through 10. Book two, chapters 11 through 15 of Against Juvenianus by Saint Jerome. The sleeper box recording is in the public domain. Hippocrates in his forums teaches that stout persons of a coarse habit of body and once they have attained their full growth unless the phylethora be quickly relieved by bloodletting develop tendencies to paralysis and the worst forms of disease. They must therefore be bled that there may be room for fresh growth for it is not the nature of our bodies to continue in one stay but go either to increase or decrease. No animal can live which is incapable of growth. When scalen a very learned man and a commentator on Hippocrates says in his exhortation to the practice of medicine that athletes whose whole life and art consistent stuffing cannot live long nor be healthy and that their souls enveloped with superfluous blood and fat. And as it were covered with mud have no refined or heavenly thoughts but are always intent upon gluttonous and voracious feasting. Diogenes maintains the tyrants do not bring about revolutions in cities and foment wars civil or foreign for the sake of a simple diet of vegetables and fruit but for costly meats and the delicacies of the table. In strange to say Epicurus the defender of pleasure in all his books speaks of nothing but vegetables and fruits and he says that we ought to live on cheap food because the preparation of sumptuous banquets of flesh involves great care and suffering and greater pains attend the search for such delicacies than pleasures the consumption of them. Our bodies need only something to eat and drink. Where there is bread and water and the like nature is satisfied whatever more there may be does not go to meet the wants of life but our ministers to voracious pleasure. Eating and drinking does not quench the longing for luxuries but appeases hunger and thirst. Persons who feed on flesh want also gratifications not found in flesh but they who adopt a simple diets do not look for flesh whether we cannot devote ourselves to wisdom or our thoughts are running on a well-laden table the supply of which requires an excess of work and anxiety. The wants of nature are soon satisfied. Cold and hunger can be banished with simple food and clothing. As the apostle says having food and clothing let us be there with content. Delicacies and various dishes of the feast are the nurses of avarice the soul greatly exalts when you are content with little. You have the world beneath your feet you can exchange all its power its feasts and its lusts the objects for which men rake money together or common food and make up for them all with a sackcloth shirt. Take away the luxurious feasting and a gratification of lust and no one will want riches to be used either in the belly or beneath it. The invalid only regains his health by diminishing and carefully selecting his food i.e. in medical phrase by adapting a slender diet the same food that recovers health can preserve it for no one can imagine vegetables to be the cause of disease and vegetables do not give the strength of Milo of Crotona a strength supplied and nourished by meats what need has a wise man and a Christian philosopher of such strength as is required by athletes and soldiers in which if he had it would only stimulate device let those persons deem meats according to health who wish to gratify their lust and who sunk in filthy pleasure are always at heat but what a Christian wants is health but not superfluous strength and it ought not to disturb us if we find but few supporters for the pure and temperate are as rare as good and faithful friends and virtue is always scarce study the temperance of rubricus or the poverty of koreas and in your great city you will find few worthy of your imitation you need not fear that if you do not eat flesh bowlers and hunters will have learned their craft in vain we have read that some who suffered with disease of joints and with gaudy humors recovered their health by prescribing delicacies and coming down to a simple board and mean food for they were then free from the worry of managing a house and from unlimited feasting koreas makes fun of the longing for food which when eaten leaves nothing but regret scorn pleasure she but hurts when bought with pain and when in the delightful retirement of the country by way of satirizing voluptuous men he described himself as plump and fat his port-a-verse ran thus pay me a visit if you want to laugh you'll find me fat and sleek with well-dressed hide like any pig from at the curious's thigh but even if our food be the commonest we must avoid repletion for nothing is so destructive to the mind as a full belly fermenting like a wine vat and giving forth his gases on all sides what sort of fasting is it or what sort of refreshment is there after fasting when we are blown out with yesterday's dinner and our stomach is made a factory for the closets we wish to get credit for protracted abstinence and all the while we devour so much that a day and night can scarcely digest it the proper name to give it is not fasting but rather debauch and rank indigestion Dikirches in his book of antiquities describing Greece relates that under Saturn that is in the golden age when the ground bought forth all things abundantly no one ate flesh but everyone lived on field produce and fruits which the earth bore of itself Xenophon in eight books narrates the life of Cyrus king of the Persians and asserts that they supported life on barley, crests, salt, and black bread both the aforesaid Xenophon Theophratus and almost all the Greek writers testify to the frugal diet of the Spartans Charomon the Stoic a man of great eloquence has a treaty on the life of the ancient priests of Egypt who he says laid aside all worldly business and cares and were ever in the temple studying nature and regulating causes of the heavenly bodies they never had intercourse with women they never from the time they began to devote themselves to the divine service set eyes on their kindred and relations nor even saw their children they always abstained from flesh and wine on account of the lightheadedness and dizziness which a small quantity of food caused and especially to avoid the stimulation of the lustful appetite engendered by this meat and drink they seldom ate bread and they might not load the stomach but whenever they ate it they mixed pounded hyssop with all they took so that the action of its warmth might diminish the weight of the heavier food they used no oil except vegetables and then only in small quantities to mitigate the unpalatable taste what need he says to speak of the birds when they avoided even eggs and milk as flesh the one they said was liquid flesh the other was blood whether the color changed their bed was made of palm leaves called by them bioe a sloping footstool laid on the ground served for a pillow and they could go without food for two or three days the humors of the body which arise from sedentary habits are dried up by reducing their diet to an extreme point Josephus in the second book of the history of the Jewish captivity and in the 18th book of the antiquities and the two treaties against apion describes three sects of the Jews the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Essians on the last of these he bestows wondrous praise because they practice perpetual abstinence from wives, wine, and flesh and made a second nature of their daily fast Philo II, a man of great learning published a treatise of his own on their mode of life the anthes of Cisicus and Esclepides of Cyrus at the same time when Pygmalion ruled over the east related that the eating of flesh was unknown Eubolus also who wrote the history of the Mithras in many volumes relates that among the Persians there are three kinds of magi the first of whom those of greatest learning and eloquence take no food except meal and vegetables out yell uses it is customary to abstain from fowls and fish and certain fruits Artisans, a Babylonian divides the gymnosophists of India into two classes the one called Brahmins and the other Salmoneans who are so rigidly self-restrained that they support themselves either with the fruit of trees which grow on the banks of the Ganges or with common food of rice or flour and when the king visits them he is wont to adore them and thinks the peace of his country depends upon their prayers Euripides relates that the prophets of Jupiter in Crete abstain not only from flesh but also from cooked food Xenocrats, the philosopher writes that at Athens out of all the laws of tryptolimus only three precepts remain in the temple of Ceres respect to parents reverence for the gods and abstinence from flesh Orphus in his song utterly denounces the eating of flesh I might speak of the frugality of Pythagoras Socrates and Antithenes to our confusion but it would be tedious and would require a work to itself at all events this is an antithesis who after teaching rhetoric with renown on hearing Socrates is related to have said to his disciples Go and seek a master for I have now found one He immediately sold what he had divided the proceeds among the people and kept nothing for himself but a small cloak of his poverty and toil Sinophon in the symposium is a witness and so are his countless treatises some philosophical, some rhetorical his most famous follower was the great Diogenes who was mightier than King Alexander and that he conquered human nature for Antithenes would not take a single pupil and when he could not get rid of the persistent Diogenes he threatened him with a stick if he did not depart the latter is said to have laid down his head and said no stick will be hard enough to prevent me from following you Satyrus, the biographer of illustrious men relates that Diogenes to guard himself against the cold folded his cloak double his script was his pantry in one age he carried a stick to support his feeble frame and was commonly called old hands a mouth because to that very hour he begged and received food from anyone his home was the gateways and city arcades and when he wriggled into his tub he would joke about his movable house that adopted itself to the seasons and when the weather was cold he used to turn the mouth of the tub towards the south and summer towards the north and whatever the direction of the sun might be that way the palace of Diogenes was turned he had a wooden dish for drinking but on one occasion seeing a boy drinking with the hollow of his hand he is related to have dashed the cup to the ground saying that he did not know nature provided a cup his virtue and self-restraint were proved even by his death it is said that now an old man he was on his way to the olympic games which used to be attended by a great concourse of people from all parts of Greece then he was overtaken by fever and laid down upon the bank by the roadside and when his friends wished to place him on a beast or in a conveyance he did not assent but crossing to the shade of a tree said go your way I pray you and see the games this night will prove me either conquered or conqueror if I conquer the fever I shall go to the games if the fever conquers me I shall enter the unseen world there through the night he lay gasping for breath and did not as we are told so much die as banished the fever by death I have cited the example of only one philosopher so that our fine erect muscular athletes who hardly make a shadow of a footmark in their swift passage whose words are in their fists and the reasoning in their heels who either know nothing of apostolic poverty and the hardness of the cross or despise it may at least imitate gentile moderation so far I have dealt with the arguments and examples of philosophers now we'll pass on to the beginning of the human race that is to the sphere which belongs to us I will first point out that Adam received a command in paradise to abstain from one tree though he might eat the other fruits the bussiness of paradise could not be consecrated without abstinence from food so long as he fasted he remained in paradise he ate and was cast out he was no sooner cast out than he married a wife while he fasted in paradise he continued a virgin when he filled himself with food in the earth he bound himself with the tie of marriage and yet though cast out he did not immediately receive permission to eat flesh but only the fruits of trees and the produce of the crops and the herbs and vegetables were given him for food that even when an exile from paradise he might feed not upon the flesh which was not to be found in paradise but upon grain and fruit like that of paradise but afterwards when god saw that the heart of man from his youth was set on wickedness continually and that his spirit could not remain in them because they were flesh he by the deluge passed sentence on the works of the flesh and taking note of the extreme greediness of men gave them liberty to eat flesh so that while understanding that all things were waffle for them they might not greatly desire that which was allowed unless they should turn a commandment into a cause of transgression and yet even then fasting was in part commanded for seeing that some animals are called clean some unclean and the unclean animals were taken into know as ark by pairs the clean in uneven numbers and of course the eating of the unclean was forbidden otherwise the term unclean would be its unmeaning fasting was in part consecrated restraints in the use of all was taught by the prohibition of some why did esau lose his birthright was it not on account of food and he could not atone with tears for the impatience of his appetite the people of israel cast out from egypt and on their way to the land of promise land flowing with milk and honey longed for the flesh of egypt and the melons and garlic saying would that we had died by the hand of the lord in the land of egypt when we sat by the flesh pots and again who shall give us flesh to eat we remember the fish which we did eat in egypt for knots the cucumbers and the melons and the leeks and the onions and the garlic but now our soul is dried away we have not saved this man and to look to they despised angels food inside for the flesh of egypt moses for 40 days and 40 nights fasted on mount sinai and showed even then that man does not live on bread alone but on every word of god he says to the lord the people is full and make it idols moses with empty stomach received the law written with the finger of god the people that ate and drank and rose up to play fashioned a golden calf and preferred an egyptian ox to the majesty of the lord the toil of so many days perished through fullness of a single hour moses boldly broke the tables for he knew that drunkards cannot hear the word of god the beloved grew thick waxed fats and became sleek he kicked and forsook the lord which made him and departed from the god of his salvation hence also it is enjoined in the same book of deuteronomy beware lest when now hast eaten and drunk and has built goodly houses and when thy herds and thy flocks multiply and thy silver and gold is multiplied then thy heart be lifted up and now forget the lord thy god in short the people ate and their heart grew thick lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart so the people well fed and fat fleshed could not bear the countenance of moses who fasted for to correctly render the Hebrew it was furnished with horns through his converse with god and it was not as something to show that there is no difference between virginity and marriage but to assert his sympathy was severe fasting that our lord and savior when he was transfigured on the mounts revealed moses and alias with himself in glory although moses and alias were properly types of the law in the prophets as is clearly witnessed by the gospel they spake of his departure which he was about to accomplish in jerusalem for the passion of our lord is declared not by virginity or marriage but by the law and the prophets if however any persons contentiously maintain that by moses is signified marriage by alias virginity let me tell them briefly that moses died and was buried but alias was carried off in a chariot of fire and entered on immortality before he approached death but the second writing of the tables could not be affected without fasting what was lost by drunkenness was regained by abstinence a proof that by fasting we can return to paradise whence through fullness we have been expelled an exodus we read that the battle was fought against amalak while moses prayed and the whole people fasted until the evening joshua the son of none bade sun and moon stand still and the victorious army prolonged its fast for more than a day sol as it is written in the first book of kings pronounced a curse on him who ate bread before the evening and until he had avenged himself upon his enemies so none of his people tasted any food and all they of the land took food and so binding was a solemn fast once it was proclaimed to the lord that jonathan to whom the victory was due was taken by lots and could not escape the charge of sinning in ignorance and his father's hand was raised against him and the prayers of the people scarce availed to save him Elijah after the preparation of a forties days fast saw a god on mount horab and heard from him the words what Taoist thou here Elijah there is much more familiarity in this than in the where art thou Adam of Genesis the latter was intended to excite the fears of one who had fed and was lost the former was affectionately addressed to a fasting servant when the people were assembled in mispa Samuel proclaimed a fast and so strengthened them and thus made them prevail against the enemy the attack of the Assyrians was repulsed and the mites of Sennacherib utterly crushed by the tears and sackcloth of King Hezekiah and by his humbling himself with fasting so also the city of Nineve by fasting excited compassion and turned aside the threatening wrath of the lord and Sodom and Gomorrah might have appeased it had they been willing to repent and through the aid of fasting gain for themselves tears of repentance Ahab the most impious of kings by fasting and wearing sackcloth succeeded in escaping the sentence of God and deferring the overthrow of his house to the days of his posterity Hannah the wife of Elkenna by fasting won the gift of a son at Babylon the magicians came into peril every interpreter of dreams Seussayer and Diviner was slain Daniel and the three youths gained a good report by fasting and although they were fed on pulse they were fairer and wiser than they who ate the flesh from the king's table then it is written that Daniel fasted for three weeks he ate no pleasant bread flesh and wine entered not his mouth he was not anointed with oil and the angel came to him saying Daniel thou art worthy of compassion he who in the eyes of God was worthy of compassion afterwards was an object of terror to the lions in their den how fair a thing is that which propitiates God tames lions terrifies demons Abba Cook although we do not find this in the Hebrew scriptures was sent to him with a reaper's meal for by a week's abstinence he had merited so distinguished a server David when his son was in danger after his adultery made confession in ashes and with fasting he tells us that he ate ashes like bread and mingled his drink with weeping and that his knees became weak through fasting yet he had certainly heard from Nathan the words though Lord also had put away thy sin Samson and Samuel drank neither wine nor strong drink for they were children of promise and conceived in abstinence and fasting Aaron and the other priests when about to enter the temple refrained from all intoxicating drink for fear they should die once we learn that they die who minister in the church without sobriety and hence it is a reproach against Israel he gave my Nazarites wine to drink John the dad the son of Rechub commanded his sons to drink no wine forever and when Jeremiah offered them wine to drink the name of their own accord refused it the Lord spake by the prophet saying because ye have obeyed the commandment of Jonah dabb your father and Jonah dabb the son of Rechub shall not want a man to stand before me forever on the threshold of the gospel appears Anna the daughter of Fanuel the wife of one husband and a woman who was always fasting long continued chastity and persistent fasting welcomed a virgin lord his forerunner and herald john fed him locus and wild honey not on flesh and the hermits of the desert and the monks in their cells at first used the same substance but the Lord himself consecrated his baptism by a 40 days fast and he taught us the more violent devils cannot be overcome except by prayer and fasting Cornelius the centurion was found worthy through almsgiving and frequent fast to receive the gift of the holy spirit before baptism the apostle paul after speaking of hunger and thirst and his other labors perils from robbers shipwrecks loneliness enumerates frequent fasts and he advises his disciple timothy who had a weak stomach and was subject to many infirmities to drink wine in moderation and drink no longer water he says the fact that he bids him no longer drink water shows that he had previously drunk water the apostle would not have allowed this had not frequent infirmities and bodily pain demanded the concession end of book two chapters 11 through 15 book two chapters 16 through 20 of against Jovinianius by saint Jerome the sleeper box recording is in the public domain the apostle does indeed blame those who forbade marriage and commanded to abstain from food which god created for use with thanksgiving but he has in view marcion and tatian and the other heretics who incalcate perpetual abstinence to destroy and express their hatred and contempt for the works of the creator but we praise every creature of god yet preferliness to corpulence absence to luxury fasting to fullness he that laboreth laboreth for himself and he is eager to his own destruction and from the days of john the baptist who fasted and was a virgin until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence and the men of violence take it by force for we are afraid lest at the coming of the eternal judge we be caught as in the days of the flood and at the overthrow of sadham and gemora eating and drinking and marrying and giving in marriage for both the flood and the fire from heaven found fullness as well as marriage ready for destruction nor need we wonder if the apostle commands that everything sold in the market be bought and eaten since with idolatures and with those who still ate in the temples of the idols meats offered to idols and such it passed to the highest abstinence to abstain only from food eaten by the gentiles and if he says to the romans let not him that edith set at naught him that edith not and let not him that edith not judge him that edith he does not make fasting and fullness of ipulmerit but he is speaking against those believers in christ who were still judiizing and he warns gentile believers not to offend those by their food who are still weak in faith in brief this is clear enough in the sequel i know and am persuaded in the lord jesus that nothing is unclean of itself save that to him who counted anything to be unclean to him it is unclean or if because of meats thy brother is grieved thou walkest no longer in love destroy not with thy meats him for whom christ died let not then your good be evil spoken of for the kingdom of god is not eating and drinking and that no one may suppose he is referring to fasting and not to jewish superstition he immediately explains one man hath faith to eat all things but he that is weak eateth herbs and again one man esteemeth one day above another another esteemeth every day alike yet each man be fully assured in his own mind he that regardeth the day regardeth it unto the lord and he that eateth eateth unto the lord before he giveth god thanks and he that eateth nots unto the lord he eateth nots and giveth god thanks for they who are still weak in faith and thought some meats clean some unclean and suppose there was a difference between one day and another for example that the sabbath and the new moons and the feast of tabernacles were holier than other days were commanded to eat herbs which are indifferently partaken of by all but such as were of stronger faith believed all meats in all days to be alike my opponent has dared to maintain that our lord was called by the Pharisees a wine-biber and a glutton and from the fact of his going to marriage feasts and from his not despising the banquets of sinners I am too infer his wishes respecting ourselves that lord so you suppose is a glutton who fasted 40 days to hallow christian fasting who calls them blessed that hunger and thirst who says that he has food not that which the disciples surmise but such as would not perish forever who forbids us to think of the morrow who though he is said to have hungered and thirsted and to have gone frequently to various meals except in celebrating the mystery whereby he represented his passion or improving the reality of his body is nor described as ministering to his appetite who tells of purple clad dives in hell for his feasting and says that poor Lazarus for his abstinence was an Abraham's bosom who when we fast bids us anoint our head and wash our face that we fast not to gain glory for men but praise from the lord who did indeed after his resurrection eat part of a boiled fish in of a honeycomb not to allay hunger and to gratify his palate but to show the reality of his own body but whenever he raised anyone from the dead he ordered that food should be given him to eat lest the resurrection should be thought a delusion and this is why Lazarus after the resurrection is described as being at the feast with our lord we do not deny that fish and other kinds of flesh if we choose may be taken as food but we prefer virginity to marriage so do we esteem fasting and spirituality above meats and full bloodedness and if Peter before dinner went to the supper chamber at the sixth hour a chance fit of hunger does not prejudice fasting for if it were so because our lord at the sixth hour sat weary on the well of Samaria and wished to drink almost of necessity whether they so desire or not drink at that time possibly it was the Sabbath or the Lord's day and he hungered at the sixth hour after two or three days fasting for if I could never believe that the apostle if he had eaten a dinner only one day previous and had been blown out with a great meal would have been hungry by noon next day but if he did dine the day previous and was hungry next day before luncheon I do not think that a man who was so soon hungry ate until he was satisfied again God by the mouth of Isaiah says what fast he did not choose in the day of your fast you find pleasure and afflict the lowly you fast for strife and debate and to smite with the fist of wickedness it is not such a fast that I have chosen say at the Lord what kind he hath chosen ye thus teaches deal thy bread to the hungry and bring the houseless poor into thy house when thou seest the naked cover him and hide not thyself from thine own flesh he did not therefore reject fasting but showed what he would have it to be for that bodily hunger is not pleasing to God which is made null and void by strife and plunder in lust if God does not desire fasting how is it that in Leviticus he commands the whole people in the seventh month on the tenth day of the month do fast until the evening and threatens that he who does not afflict his soul shall die and be cut off from his people how is it that the graves of lusts where the people fell in their devotion to flesh remain even to this day in the wilderness do we not read that the stupid people gorge themselves with quails until the wrath of God came upon them why was the man of God at whose prophecy the hand of Jeroboam withered and who ate contrary to the command of God immediately smitten strange that the lion which left the ass safe and sound should not spare the prophet just risen from his meal he who while he was fasting had wrought miracles no sooner ate a meal than he paid the penalty for the gratification Joel also cries aloud sanctify a fast proclaim a time of healing that it might appear that a fast is sanctified by other works and that a holy fast avails for the cure of skin moreover just as true virginity is not prejudiced by the counterfeit professions of the virgins of the devil so neither is true fasting by the periodic fast in perpetual abstinence from certain kinds of food on the part of the worshipers of Isis and Sabele particularly when a fast from bread is made up by feasting on flesh and just as the signs of Moses were imitated by the signs of the Egyptians which were in reality no signs at all for the rod of Moses swallowed up the rods of the magicians so when the devil tries to be the rival of God this does not prove that our religion is superstitious but that we are negligent since we refuse to do what even men of the world see clearly to be good His fourth and last contention is that there are two classes the sheep and the goats the just and the unjust that the just stand on the right and the other on the left in that to the just the words are spoken come ye blessed of my father and inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world but that sinners are thus addressed depart from me ye cursed into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels that a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruits nor an evil tree good fruits hence it is that the Savior says to the Jews ye are of your father the devil in the lusts of your father it is your will to do he quotes the parable of the ten virgins the wise and the foolish and shows that the five who had no oil remained outside but that the other five who had gotten for themselves the light of good works went into the marriage with the bridegroom he goes back to the flood and tells us that they who are righteous like Noah were saved but that the sinners perished all together we are informed that among the men of Sodom and Gomorrah no difference is made except between the two classes of the good and the bad the righteous are delivered the sinners are consumed by the same fire there is no salvation for those who are released one destruction for those who stayed behind Lot's wife is a clear warning that we must not deviate a hare's breath from right if however he says you object and ask me why the righteous toils in time of peace or in the midst of persecution if he is to gain nothing nor have a greater reward I would assert that he does this not that he may gain a further reward but that he may not lose what he has already received in Egypt also the ten plagues fell with equal violence upon all that sinned and the same darkness hung over master and slave noble and ignoble the king and the people again at the Red Sea the righteous all passed over the sinners were all overwhelmed 600,000 men besides those who were unfit for war through age or sex all alike fell in the desert and two who are alike in righteousness are alike delivered for forty years all Israel toiled and died alike as regards food an omer of manam was the measure for all ages the clothes of all alike did not wear out the hair of all alike did not grow nor the beard increase the shoes of all lasted the same time their feet grew not hard the food in their mouths of all had the same taste they went on their way to one resting place with equal toil and equal reward all Hebrews had the same Passover the same feast of tabernacles the same Sabbath the same new moons in the seventh, the sabbatical year all prisoners were released without distinction of persons and in the year of Jubilee all debts were forgiven to all debtors and he who had sold lands returned to the inheritance of his fathers then again as regards the parable of the sower in the gospel we read that the good ground bought forth fruit some a hundred fold some sixty fold and some thirty fold and on the other hand that the bad ground admitted of three degrees of sterility but Jovinianius makes only two classes the good soil and the bad and as in the gospel our Lord promises the apostles a hundred fold and another seven fold for leaving children and wives and in the world to come eternal life and the seven and the hundred need the same thing so too in the passage before us the numbers describing the fertility of the soil need not create any difficulty particularly when the evangelist mark gives the inverse order thirty, sixty and a hundred the Lord says he that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me and I in him as then there are not varying degrees of Christ's presence in us so neither are there degrees of our abiding in Christ everyone that loveeth me will keep my word and my Father will love him and we will come unto him and make our abode with him he that is righteous loves Christ and if a man thus loves the Father and the Son come to him and make their abode with him now I suppose that when the guest is such as this the host cannot possibly lack anything and if our Lord says in my Father's house are many mansions his meaning is not that there are different mansions in the kingdom of heaven but he indicates the number of the churches in the whole world for though the church be seven fold she is but one I go he says to prepare a place for you not places if this promise is particular to the 12 apostles then Paul is shut out from that place and the chosen vessel will be thought superfluous and unworthy John and James because they asked more than the others did not obtain it and yet their dignity is not diminished because they were equal to the rest of the apostles no ye not that your bodies are a temple of the Holy Ghost a temple he says not temples in order to show that God dwells in all alike neither for these only do I pray but for them also that believe on me through their word as thou Father in me and I in thee are one so they may be all one in us in the glory which thou has given me I have given unto them I have loved them as thou hast loved me and as we are Father Son in Holy Ghost one God so may they be one people in themselves that is like dear children partakers of the divine nature call the church what you will bride sister mother her assembly is but one and never lacks husband brother or son her faith is one and she is not defiled by a variety of doctrine nor divided by heresies she continues a virgin whether so whether the Lamb goeth she follows him she alone knows the song of Christ if you tell me says he that one star differeth from another star in glory I reply that one star does differ from another star that is spiritual persons differ from carnal we love all the members alike and do not prefer the eye to the finger nor the finger to the eye but the loss of anyone is attended by the sorrow of all the rest we all alike come into this world and we all alike depart from it there is one Adam of the earth and another from heaven the earthly Adam is on the left hand and will perish the heavenly Adam is on the right hand and will be saved he who says to his brother thou fool and racka will be in danger of Gehenna and the murderer and the adulterer will likewise be sent into Gehenna in times of persecution some are burnt some are strangled some beheaded some flee or die within the walls of a prison the struggle varies in kind but the victor's crown is won no difference was made between the son who had never left his father and his brother who was welcomed as a returning penitent to the laborers of the first the third the sixth the ninth and the eleventh the same reward of a penny was given and what may perhaps seem still more strange to you the first to receive the reward were they who had toiled least in the vineyard end of book two chapters 16 through 20 book two chapters 21 through 25 of against Jovinianius by Saint Jerome the sleeper box recording is in the public domain who is there even of god's elect the would not be disturbed at these and similar passages of holy scripture which are crafty opponents with a perverse ingenuity twist to the support of his own views the apostle john says that many any christ had come and to make no difference between john himself and the lowest penitent is the preaching of a real antichrist at the same time i am amazed at the portentus forms which jovianius as slippery as a snake and like another proteus so rapidly assumes and sexual intercourse and full feeding he is an epicurean in the distribution of rewards and punishments he all at once becomes a stoic he exchanges Jerusalem for sitium and Judea for cyprus christ for zeno if we may not depart a hair's breath from virtue and all sins are equal and a man who in a fit of hunger steals a piece of bread is no less guilty than he who slays a man you must in turn be held guilty of the greatest crimes the case is different if you say that you have no sin not even the least and if although all the apostles and prophets and all the saints as i have maintained in dealing with his second proposition the way all their sinfulness you alone boast of your righteousness but a minute ago you were barefooted now you not only wear shoes but decorate ones just now you wore a rough coat in a dirty shirt you were grimy and haggard and your hand was horny with toil now you're a clad in linen and silks and strut like an exquisite in the fashions of the atributes and the leo desians your cheeks are ruddy your skin is sleek your hair is smooth down in front and behind your belly protrudes your shoulders are little mountains your neck full and so loaded with fats that the half smothered words can scarce make their escape surely in such extremes of dress and mode of life there must be sin on the one side of the door or the other i will not assert that the sin lies in the food or clothing but that such fickleness in changing for the worse is almost censurable in itself and what we censure is far removed from virtue and what is far removed from virtue becomes the property of vice and what is proved to be vicious is one with sin now sin according to you is placed on the left hand and corresponds to the goats you must therefore return to your old habits if you are to be a sheep on the right hand or if you perversely repent of your former views and change them for others whether you like it or not and although you shave off your beard you will be reckoned among the goats but what is the goat of calling a one-eyed man old one eye and of showing the inconstancy of the nissalants when we have to refute a whole series of statements that the sheep and the goats on the right hand and on the left are the two classes of the righteous and the wicked i do not deny a good tree does not bring forth evil fruits nor an evil one good fruit no one doubts the ten virgins also wise and foolish we divide into good and bad we are not ignorant that the deluge of the righteous were delivered and sinners overwhelmed with the waters that at Sodom and Gomorrah the just man was rescued while the sinners were consumed by fire is clear to everyone we are also aware that Egypt was stricken with the 10 plagues and that Israel was saved even little children in our schools seeing how the righteous passed through the Red Sea and Pharaoh with his host was drowned that 600,000 fell in the desert because they were unbelieving and that two only entered the land of promise is taught by scripture and so is the rest of your description of the two classes good and bad down to the laborers in the vineyard but what are we to think of your assertion that because there is a division into good and bad the good or the bad it may be are not distinguished one from another and that it makes no difference whether one is a ram in the flock or a poor little sheep whether the sheep have the first or the second police whether the flock is diseased and covered with the scab or full of life and vigor especially when by the authoritative utterances of his own prophet Ezekiel God clearly points out the difference between flock and flock of his rational sheep saying behold I judge between cattle and between the rams and the he goats and between the fat cattle and the lean because you have thrust with side and with shoulder and pushed all the diseased with your horns and so they were scattered abroad and that we might know what the cattle were immediately added you my flock the flock of my pastor are men will Paul and that penitent who had lain with his father's wife beyond the equal because the latter repented and was received into the church and shall the offender because he is with him on the right hand shine with the same glory as the apostle how is it that tears and wheat grows side by side in the same field until the harvest that is the end of the world what is the significance of the good and bad fish being contained in the gospel nets why and Noah's Ark the type of the church are there different animals with different abodes according to the rank why stand at the queen upon the Lord's right hand in raiment of wrought gold in a vesture of gold why had Joseph representing Christ a coat of many colors why does the apostle say to the Romans recording as God had dealt to each man a measure of faith for even as we have many members in one body and all the members have not the same office so we who are many are one body in Christ and severly members one of another and having gifts differing according to the grace that was given to us whether prophecy let us prophesy according to the proportion of our faith or ministry let us give ourselves to our ministry or he that teacheth to his teaching or he that exhorted to his exhorting he that giveth let him do it with liberality he that ruleeth with diligence and so on and elsewhere one man esteemeth one day above another another esteemeth every day alike let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind to the Corinthians he says I have planted apollos watered but God gave the increase so then either is he that planted anything either he that watereth but God that giveth the increase now he that planted and he that watereth are one and every man shall receive his own reward according to his labor for we are laborers together with God ye are God's husbandry ye are God's building and again elsewhere according to the grace of God which is given unto me as a wise master builder I laid a foundation and another buildeth there on but let each man take heed how we buildeth there upon for other foundation can no man lay than that which is laid which is Jesus Christ but if any man buildeth on the foundation gold silver costly stones wood hay stubble each man's work shall be made manifest for the day shall reveal it because it is revealed in fire and the fire itself shall prove each man's work of what sort it is if any man's work shall abide which he built thereon he shall receive a reward but if any man's work shall be burned he shall suffer loss but he himself shall be saved yet so as through fire if the man whose work is burnt and perishes is to suffer the loss of his labor while he himself is saved yet not without proof of fire it follows that if a man's work remains which he has built upon the foundation he will be saved without probation by fire and consequently a difference is established between one degree of salvation and another again in another place he says let a man so account of us as of ministers of christ and stewards of the mysteries of god here moreover it is required in stewards that a man be found faithful would you be assured that between one steward and another there is a great difference I am not speaking of bad and good but of good themselves who stand on the right then listen to the sequel know ye not that they which minister about the sacrifices eat of the sacrifices and they which wait upon the altar have their portion with the altar even so did the lord ordain that they which proclaim the gospel should live of the gospel but I have used none of these things and I wrote not these things that it may be so done in my case for it were good for me rather to die than that any man should make my glorying void for if I preach the gospel I have nothing to glory of when necessity is laid upon me for woe is unto me if I preach not the gospel or if I do this of my own will I have a reward but if not of my own will I have a stewardship entrusted to me what then is my reward that when I preach the gospel I may make the gospel without charge so as not to use the full my rights in the gospel for though I was free from all men I brought myself under bondage to all that I might gain the more you surely cannot say that men commit sin by living by the gospel and partaking of the sacrifices of course not the lord himself made the role that they who preach the gospel should live by the gospel but an apostle who does not abuse this freedom but labors with his hands that he may not be a burden to anyone and toils night and day and ministers to his companions of course does this that for his greater toil he may receive a greater reward let us hasten to what remains there are diversities of gifts but the same spirit there are diversities administrations in the same lord and there are diversities of operations but the same god who work with all things and all but to each one is given the manifestation of the spirit to profit with all and again as the body is one and hath many members and all the members of the body being many are one body so also is christ but he precludes you from saying that the different members of the one body have the same rank for he immediately describes the orders of the church and says and god has set some in the church first apostles secondly prophets thirdly teachers then miracles then gifts of healings helps governments divers kinds of tongues are all apostles are all prophets are all teachers are all workers of miracles have all gifts of healing do all speak with tongues do all interprets but desire earnestly the greater gifts and a still more excellent way show I unto you and after discoursing more in detail of the graces of charity he added whether there be prophecies they shall be done away whether there be tongues they shall cease whether there be knowledge it shall be done away but we know in parts we prophesy in parts but when that which is perfect has come then that which is in part shall be done away and afterwards we read but now abided faith hope love these three and the greatest of these is love follow after love yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts but rather that ye may prophesy and again I would have that you all speak with tongues but rather that you should prophesy and greater is he that prophesies than he that speaketh with tongues and again I thank god I speak in tongues more than you all where there are different gifts and one man is greater another less and all are called spiritual they are all certainly sheep and they stand on the right hand but there is a difference between one sheep and another it is humility that leads the apostle paul to say I am the least of the apostles that I am not meant to be called an apostle because I persecuted the church of god but by the grace of god I am what I am in his grace which was bestowed upon me was not found vain but I labored more abundantly than they all yet not I but the grace of god which was with me but the very fact of his thus humbling himself shows the possibility of there being apostles of higher or lower rank and god is not unjust that he will forget the work of him who is called the chosen vessel of election and who labored more abundantly than they all or assign equal rewards to unequal desserts afterwards we read as an atom all die so also in christ shall all be now alive but each in his own order if each is to rise in his own order it follows that those who rise are of different degrees of merit all flesh is not the same flesh but there is one flesh of men and another flesh of beasts and another flesh of birds and another of fishes there are also celestial bodies and bodies terrestrial but the glory of the celestial is one and the glory of the terrestrial is another there is one glory of the sun and another glory of the moon and another glory of the stars for the one star differs from another star in glory so also is the resurrection of the dead like a learned commentator you have explained this passage by saying that the spiritual differ from the carnal it follows that in heaven there will be both spiritual and carnal persons and not only will the sheep climb tither but your goats also one star he says differeth from another star in glory this is not the distinction of sheep and goat but of sheep and sheep star and star lastly he says there is one glory of the sun and another glory of the moon but for this you might maintain that the phrase one star from another star covers the whole human race but he introduces the sun and moon and you cannot possibly reckon them among the goats so says he is also the resurrection of the dead the just will shine with the brightness of the sun and those of the next rank will glow with the splendor of the moon so that one will be a lucifer another an arcturus a third an orion another mazaruth or some other of the stars whose names are hollowed in the book of Job for we all he says must be made manifest before the judgment seat of christ that each one may receive the things done in the body according to what he had done whether it be good or bad and you cannot say that the mode of our manifestation before the judgment seat of christ is such that the good receive good things and the bad evil things for he teaches us in the same epistle that he who sows sparingly shall reap also sparingly and he that soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully surely he who sows more and he who sows less are both on the right side and although they belong to the same class out of the sower yet they differ in respect of measure and number the same paul writing to the Ephesians says to the intent that now unto the principalities and the powers in the heavenly places might be made known through the church the manifold wisdom of god you observe that it is a varied and manifold wisdom of god which is spoken of as existing in the different ranks of the church and in the same epistle we read unto each one of us was the grace given according to the measure of the grace of christ not that christ's measure varies but only that so much of his grace is poured out as we can receive in vain therefore do you multiply instances of sheep and goats and of the five wise and of the five foolish virgins of egyptians and israelites and so forth because retribution is not in the present but will be in the future hence we find that the day of judgment is promised at the end of all things because the judgment is not now or it would be absurd to call the last day the day of judgment if god were judging at the present time now we sail the ship wrestle and fight that at last we may reach the haven be crowned in triumph but you with no less adroitness and perversity make the life of this world illustrate that of the world to come although we know full well that here unrighteousness prevails they are righteousness until we go into the sanctuary of god and understand the end of those men the saint does not die one way the sinner another those who sail the same sea have the same calm and storm the violent death is not one thing to the robber another to the martyr children are not born one way of adultery and prostitution and another of pure marriage certainly our lord and the robbers incurred the same penalty of crucifixion if the judgment of this world and of that which is to come be the same it falls that they who are here crucified side by side will also be esteemed of equal rank here after Paul and they who bound him sailed together endured the same storm escaped together to the shore when the ship was broken with the waves you cannot deny that the prisoner and the keepers were of unequal merits and what were the circumstances of that same shipwreck of the apostle and the soldiers the apostle Paul afterwards related a vision and said that they who were with him in the ship had been given to him by the lord are we to suppose that he to whom they were given and they who were given to him were of one degree of merit ten righteous men can save a sinful city lot together with his daughters was delivered from the fire his sons in law would also have been saved had they been willing to leave the city now there was surely a great difference between lot and his sons in law one city out of the five zoar was saved in a place which lay under the same sentence as Sodom and Gomorrah Edma and sublime was preserved by the prayers of a holy man lot and zoar were of different merits but both of them escaped the fire the robbers who in the absence of david had laid waste zik lag and made a prey of the wives and children of the inhabitants were slain on the third day in the field but 40 men mounted on camel's fled will you maintain that there were some difference between those who were slain and those who made good their escape you read in the gospel that the tower of Siloam fell upon 18 men who perished in the ruins certainly our savior did not regard them as the only sinners but they were punished to terrify the rest it was like scourging a pestilent fellow to teach fools wisdom if all sinners are punished alike it is unjust for one to be slain while another is admonished by his comrades death you raise the objection that all Israelites had the same measure of manna and omar and were alike in respective dress and hair and beard and shoes as though we did not all alike partake of the body of christ in the christian mysteries there is one means of sanctification for the master and the servant the noble and the lowborn for the king and his soldiers and yet that which is one varies according to the merits of those who receive it whosoever shall eat or drink a murderly shall be guilty of the body and blood of the lord does it follow that because Judas drank of the same cup as the rest of the apostles that he and they are of equal merit but suppose that we do not choose to receive the sacraments at all events we all have the same life breathe the same air have the same blood in our veins are fed on the same food moreover if our vivans are improved by culinary skill and are made more palatable for the for the consumer food of this kind does not satisfy nature but tickles the appetites we are all alike subject to hunger all alike suffer with cold we all alike are shriveled with the frost or melted with the boiling heat the sun and the moon and all the company of the stars and showers the whole world run their course for us all alike and as the gospel tells us the same refreshing rain falls upon all good and bad just and unjust if the present is a picture of the future then the son of righteousness will rise upon sinners as well as upon the righteous upon the wicked and the holy upon the heathen as well as upon jews and christians though the scripture says unto you that fear the lord shall the son of righteousness arise if he will rise to those that fear he will set to the despisers and the false prophets the sheep which stand on the right hand will be brought into the kingdom of heaven the goats will be thrust down to hell the parable does not contrast the sheep one with another or on the other hand the goats but merely makes a difference between sheep and goats the whole truth is not taught in a single passage we must always bear in mind the exact point of an illustration for instance the ten virgins are not examples of the whole human race but of the careful and the slothful the former are ever anticipating the advent of the lord the latter abandon themselves to idle slumber without a thought of the future judgment and so at the end of the parable it is said watch re know not the day nor the hour if at the deluge noa was delivered and the whole world perished all men were flesh and therefore were destroyed you must either say that the sons of noa and noa for whose sake they were delivered were of unequal merit you must place the accursed him in the same rank as his father because he was delivered with him from the flood at the passion of christ all wavered all were unprofitable together there was none that did good no not one will you therefore dare to say that peter and the rest of the apostles who fled denied the savior in the same sense of as kaifus and the Pharisees and the people who cried out crucify him crucify him and to say no more about the apostles do you think that in anias in kaifus in judas the traitor guilty of no greater crime than pilot who was compelled against his will to give sentence against our lord the guilt of judas is proportioned to his former merits and the greater the guilt the greater the penalty too for the mighty shall mightily suffer torment an evil tree does not bear good fruit nor a good tree evil fruit if this be so tell me how it was that paul though he was an evil tree and persecuted the church of christ afterwards bore good fruit in judas though he was a good tree and wrought miracles like the other apostles afterwards turned traitor and brought forth evil fruit the truth is that a good tree does not bear evil fruit nor an evil tree good fruit as long as they continue in their goodness or badness and if we read that every Hebrew keeps the same Passover and that in the seventh year every prisoner is set free and that at jubilee that is the fifteenth year every possession returns to its owner all this refers not to the present but to the future for being in bondage during the six days of this world on the seventh day the true and eternal Sabbath we shall be free at any rates if we wish to be free while still in bondage in the world if however we do not desire it our ear will be bored in token of our disobedience and together with our wives and children whom we prefer to liberty that is with the flesh and its works we shall be in perpetual slavery end of book two chapters 21 through 25