Since the time I have become a mother, as a mother, I have a lot of expectation from myself. That goes for your mother and that goes for the soil and the planet. I must tell you a joke, right? And they did all kinds of things and the child came alive in a few minutes. If you sow death into it, it boosts out with life. Sadhguru, I have recently become a mother. I feel since the time I have become a mother, I have even, you know, my connection with Mother Earth, with nature, there are so many, you know, you become more intuitive with Mother Earth, with so many things with life. And I feel like now, you know, as a mother, I have a lot of expectation from myself. And at the same time with Mother Earth also, there is a lot of expectation and we keep thinking that it'll keep giving us unconditional love. But somewhere I feel depleted as a mother, so I'm sure our Mother Earth, because we are talking about, say, if the soil is feeling depleted too, I wanted to know your thoughts on that. Neither our mothers love for us nor the Earth's compassion for us is unconditional.  But still there are conditions. Hello? What are you saying? There are conditions, much less. Nothing is unconditional, we need to understand this. That goes through the planet. You can't just be doing whatever you want and think it'll take care of you. That goes for your mother too. You can't be doing whatever you want and think she will always be taking care of you. Both mother and planet Earth, there is a limit. We should never cross that limit. See, when we sit here, we are complete by ourselves. As we grow, as we become strong, it looks like I don't need anybody. But we were born of another person, all right? It's very hard to think how I was like this.  If she threw you out like this, it's over. Absolutely helpless life, isn't it? Today we are on our feet, capable of many things. Doesn't matter what. It's that base which has propelled us to be who we are right now. That goes for your mother and that goes for the soil and the planet. It doesn't matter where you're taking off to space, but even the spacecraft has been dug out of the planet. I must tell you a joke, all right? However, the mask on, you all look so serious, so I'm just trying to get it. On a certain day, in 2016, certain scientists asked for an appointment with God. They got it and they went there. Then they told God, hey man, hey old man, you've done pretty well with creation. But everything that you can do, we can also do now. So it's time you retire. Not a people are telling me this. So God looked at them and said, oh, is that so? What is it that you can do? So they dug out some soil, made a rough image of a child, of a human child and they did all kinds of things. And the child came alive in a few minutes, made sounds like that one. And God looked at this and said, that's pretty impressive. But first get your own soil. The soil is the most magical material, not on the planet, in the universe because what you call as a worm has come out of it. What you call as an insect has come out of it. What you call a tree has come out of it. The birds have come out of it. Animals have come out of it. Even the elephant came out of it. You and me came out of it. And this is the only and only magical place on the planet. If you sow death into it, it boosts out with life. Show me one place in the universe where you can throw death and it will burst out as life. This is the only place.  I, you know, about a week ago somebody's, there is a opportunity I'm telling you. That somebody has started a business. If you pay 1.7 million dollars, when you die, whenever that is, they will take your body and leave it in the space. Because in the space there is no oxygen and there are no microbial life, your body will not rot, it'll be the same way. For millions of years, it will float around hoping that some spacecraft will pick them up one day. Debris, human debris. Well, people are trying to make such businesses, which are rooted in a tremendous amount of ignorance and arrogance is the body that we carry, is the soil that we walk upon.  That much you can do, at least that one eco-friendly thing one can do, isn't it? No, you want to leave it in space or you want to wrap it in a box, in a metal box and keep it. No, this has come from the soil, it has to go back.


Hi, my name is Watson. I am very glad to introduce Huawei DB2 management network. As we know, for the carrier, their biggest result is that they have a network. Based on this network, they can develop the 2H service and 2B service. And based on this one, they also can do more. Like you know the Mani VLAN and Mani RU1 service, and also the security service, and the data center network service. It means they can extend their service binary. Okay, look at this side. And this is Mani RU1. It means besides the pre-sale service, they can do more like the Mani RU1. For example, before, there is the carrier, the backhaul network. They just collect the money earned on this network. And for the campus network, always for the other guys. So right now they can extend their service binary to the campus network. It means they can collect more. Connect more. Yeah. Managed Wi-Fi. Not only. No, not Wi-Fi. What is it? When? The campus. Campus. Yeah, campus network. Campus. Yes. Of the whole office. Like you said, managed Wi-Fi. And also you know for the office, and also you know for the security. And this is the plus. We call it 4 plus. This is for area, for scenario. For scenarios. So you have there. Yes. And manage DCS network. And this is the security. Security. And you know right now, based on the traffic, where it grows fast, security becomes more and more important. So Huawei here, we call it Mani security. Okay. So what do you show on the screen here? What is the iMaster NCE? Is the whole solution? I mean, we can look at here. This is how we can provide end-to-end solution. And look at here.  Network Cloud Engine. And with this platform, we can collect all the network information and fill in the management. Before in the network, we just can manage the network and the net unit. And we don't know the traffic. And we don't know the service. But with this one, we will know the information of our network. We can see. We can manage. And we can control. This is Huawei NCE network platform. And with this one, we can do everything. And there's a lot of network administrators in the world. And they work for many, many years to manage the networks and stuff. This is just the next level. We can see, I mean, compare with the traditional network management, right? And here we have some new protocol like telemetry. And also we collect some new computer like a little bit like the AI. And we do some, you know, the simulation for the existing network like this. Before we do some configuration, right? And some engineer, there are some, you know, the orders. And we don't know after, you know, the order come, what happens, right? So with our platform, we can do the simulation first. And after the simulation, we will know this configuration is correct or not. Or what impact to our network. And if this is what we want, we just can push this order to our network. And what does it mean, like 50% faster cloud private line, 20% more? I mean, this is with this Huawei NCE solution. This is not, you know, this is data we collect from the past several years. We do this one, many line and many one and also the cloud private line. After Huawei solution, the carrier, they deploy this one. They can collect, like before I said, they can collect more. I mean, their network service increase 20% and also they earn the money for cloud private line. This part, the revenue increase around 50%. Yeah.


Welcome to this CUBE conversation here in Palo Alto, California. I'm John Furrier, host of the CUBE. We have a returning CUBE alumni, Ramesh Prabhagaran, who's the co-founder at CUBE, great to see you. Ramesh, thanks for coming in to our studio and all the new layout. Thanks for having me here, John, after a series of Zoom conversations. It's great to be live and in the flesh. Great to be in person. We also have a new stage for our SuperCloud event, which we've been opening up to the community, looking forward to getting your perspective on that soon as well. But I want to, this CUBE conversation is really about you guys. I want to get the story down. You guys came out of stealth, multi-cloud, SuperCloud is right in your wheelhouse. You've got to love the SuperCloud. Yeah, as I walked in, I saw SuperCloud all over the place and it just gives you a jolt of energy. Well, you guys are in the middle of the action. You're a company, and I want you to explain this in a minute, is in the middle of this next wave, because we had this structural change, I called Cloud One, Amazon use case, developers don't need to build a data center, all that goodness happens, higher level services abstractions are happening, and then Azure comes in more paths and then more install base, now they're nipping at the heels, so full-on, hyperscale, capex growth, great for everybody. Now comes new use cases. Correct. Cloud to cloud, app to app, data, you see Databricks, Snowflake, MongoDB, all doing extremely well, by leveraging the capex, now it's an ops problem. Exactly. Now ops and security. Yeah, it's speed of applications. How are you guys vectoring into that, explain what you guys do. Absolutely. Let me take kind of the customer pain point first, because it's always easier to explain that, and then we explain kind of what is it that we do. So it's no surprise, applications are moving into the cloud, or people are building apps in the cloud in masses. The infrastructure that's sitting in front of these applications, cutting across networking, security, the operational piece associated with that, does not move at the same speed. The apps sometimes get upgraded two, three times a day, the infrastructure gets touched one time a week, at best. And so increasingly the cloud platform teams, the developers are all like, hey, why, why, why? And so I thought things were supposed to move fast in the cloud, it doesn't. Now, if you double click on that, really it's two reasons. One, those that won't have consistency across the stack that they had in the data center, they bring a virtual form factor of that stack and line it up in the cloud. And before you know it, it's cost, it's operational complexity, there are multiple single panes of glass, all the fun stuff associated with that. Jack, real quick, it is fast in the cloud if you're a developer. Exactly. So it's kind of like, hurry up, slow down, wait. Correct. So the developers are shifting left, open source is booming, things are fine for developers right now. If you're a developer, things are good. But the guy's sitting in front of that. It's the hops guys, they got to deal with things like lock in, choice, security. Exactly. And those are really the key challenges, right? And so we've seen some that actually said, hey, you know what, I don't want to bring my data center stack into the cloud. So they go cloud native, right? And they start to build it up. 14 services from AWS, 15 from Azure, 14 more from GCP. Even if you're in a single cloud, let's just keep it to that, right? I need to know how to put this together, right? Because all these services are great, but how do I put this together? And enterprises don't have just one application. They have hundreds of these applications. So the requirements of a database is different than a service mesh, different than a serverless application, different than a web application. And before you know it, like how do I put all these things together, right? And so we looked at this problem and we said, okay, we subscribe to the fact that cloud native is the way to go, right? But something needs to be there to make this simple, right? And so first thing that we did was bring all these cloud native services together. We help orchestrate that. And we said, okay, you know what, Mr. Nanaprise, we got you covered, right? But now it doesn't stop there. That's like 10% of the value, right? What do you really need? What do you care about now? Because the apps are in the center of the universe and who's talking to it? It's another application sitting either in the same cloud or in a different cloud or it's a user connecting into the application. So now let's talk about what are the networking security operational requirements required for these apps to talk to each other or the user to talk to the application? That's really what we focus on. Yeah, and I think one of the things that's driving this opportunity for you and I want to get your reaction to this is that the modern application movement is all about cloud native. Okay, developers are doing great. Now the kind of the kumbaya moment in enterprise is that the security team and ops teams have to play ball on the friends with the developer and vice versa. So harmony is coming there. So the little harmony and to the businesses driving it. IT is transforming over. It's why the super cloud idea is interesting to Dave and I because when we coined that term it was multi-cloud was not a market. Everyone has multiple clouds because they have Microsoft Office that's now in the cloud. They got SQL server. I mean, it's really kind of like kind of Microsoft. Exactly. So you have a cloud. But do you have ops teams building on the stack? What about the network layer? Exactly. This is where the rubber meets the road. Absolutely, yeah. And if you look at the challenges there just if you just focus on just networking and security. When applications need to talk to each other you have a whole bunch of underlying services but somebody needs to put this thing on top because what you care about is can these group of users talk to these class of applications or these group of applications can they talk to each other, right? This whole notion of connectivity is just table stakes. Everybody just assumes it's there, right? It's the next layer up, right? Which is how do I bring zero trust access? How do I get the observability? And observability is not just a bunch of pretty donut charts. I have had people look to me in my previous company the startup and said, okay, give me all these nice donut charts but so what? What do you want me to do with this, right? And so you have to translate that into real actions, right? How do I bring zero trust capabilities? How do I bring the observability capabilities? How do I understand cloud networking and bring those things together so that you can help solve for the problem? It's interesting, one of the questions I had here to ask you is what does it mean to be cloud native and why now? And you brought up zero trust, trust and verify. These are security concepts. But if you look at what's going on at KubeCon and CNCF and Linux Foundation, software supply chains, a huge issue where trust is the issue. They want trust there. So you get zero trust here. What is it, zero trust or trust? I mean, what's there? Is one hardware-based, perimeter networking, that kind of perimeter's dead? The whole concept of zero trust is like, don't trust what is underlying. Just trust what you're talking to, right? So if you and I talking to each other, John, you need to trust me. I need to trust you and we are able to have the conversation. You've been verified. Exactly. But in the application world, if you talk about two apps that are talking to each other, let's say there is a web application in one AWS region talking to a database in a different region, right? Now, do you want to make sure that you are able to build that trust all the way from the application to the application? Or do you want to move the trust boundary to the two entities that are talking to each other so that irrespective of what they go on underneath the covers, you can be always sure that these two things are trusted, right? So, Ramesh, I was on LinkedIn yesterday. I wrote a comment, Dave Vellante wrote a post on super clouds, we're talking about it. And I wrote, cloud as a commodity question, not much of the stuff that we're going to talk about. And Keith Townsend jumped on that and got on Twitter, put a poll, is cloud commodity sourced me? I'm like, so it started a big thread. And it was interesting. The reaction was interesting. And my point was to be provocative on cloud isn't commodity, but this commodity elements. Correct. DC2 and S3, you can look at that and say, that's commodity IaaS, but Amazon web services has done an amazing job for higher level services. Correct, absolutely. Okay, so how does that translate into the use cases that you see that you guys are going after and solving? Because it's the same kind of concept. IaaS and SaaS have to work together to solve problems. Absolutely. But that's in an integrated environment, say, in a native cloud as a commodity. Exactly. How does that work across clouds? You bring up a great point, John. So, let's take the simple use case, right? Let's keep the user to think to the side. Let's just say two apps need to talk to each other, right? There are multiple ways in which you can solve this problem, right? You can build highways. This is what our customers call. I'll build highways. I don't care what goes on those highways. I'll just build highways. You bring any kind of application workload on it. I'll just make sure that the highways are good, right? That's kind of the lowest common denominator. It's the path to lease assistance. You can get stuff done, but it's not going to move the needle, right? Then you have really modern kind of service networking where, okay, I'm looking at every single HTTP, API, endpoint, whatnot, and I'm optimizing for that, right? Great if you know what you're doing, but if you have thousands of these applications, it's not going to be really feasible to do that. And so what we have seen customers do is actually employ a mixed approach, right? Where they say, I'm going to build these highways. The highways are going to make sure that I can go from one place to another and maybe within regions, across clouds, whatnot. But then I have specific requirements that my business needs that actually needs tweaking, right? And so I'm going to tweak those things. That's why what we call as like full-stack transit is exactly that, right?  If somebody screams at you, hey, why is my application not accessible? You don't have that problem. It is always accessible, right? But then the requirements for performance, the requirements for zero transit, requirements for segmentation and all of that are things that you're going to be on top of. That's a hard problem to solve. And you guys are solving that? Absolutely, exactly. All right, so let me throw this at you. So, okay, I got that. And by the way, that's exactly what we're seeing. Dave and I were also talking and debating about multi-cloud as what it is. Now, the Nirvana definition was, I have a workload that's going to work the same and just magically just shift to Azure. Like, because there's better resources. There's no magic there. So, but this brings up the point of operations. Now, Databricks and Snowflake, they're building their software to run on multi-cloud seamlessly. Now, they can do that. That's their application. What is the multi-cloud use case? To be, that's the super cloud use case in your mind because right now it's not yet there. What is the super cloud use case that's going to allow this seamless management or workloads? What's your view? So, if you take enterprise, right? Large enterprise in particular, they invariably have some workloads that are on, let's say, if the primary cloud is AWS, there are some workloads in Azure, maybe they've acquired a new company, maybe a startup that uses GCP, whatnot. So, they have sprinkles of workloads in other clouds as well, right? So, that's- That's the brief kind of thing. That's the, yeah, exactly. That's not what causes anybody to wake up in the morning and say, I need to have a super cloud strategy. That's not the thing, right? But, now increasingly you're saying, pick the right cloud for the appropriate workload, right? That is going to change quite a bit because I have my infrastructure-heavy workloads in AWS. I have quite a bit of analytics and mining type of applications that are better on GCP. I have all of my packaged applications work well on Azure, right? How do I make sure all of this? And it's not just apps of this kind. Even simple things like VDI. VDI always used to be, I have this instance I run up and whatnot. Now, every single cloud provider is giving you their own flavor of virtual desktop. And so how do you make sure all of these things work together, right? And once again, what we have seen customers do is, hey, they settle on one cloud as their primary, but then you always have sprinkles of workloads across all other clouds. Now, you could also go down the path and you're increasingly seeing this. You could go down the path of, hey, I'm using cloud as backbone, right? Cloud providers have invested massive amounts of dollars to make sure that the infrastructure reaches there. Literally almost to the extent that every user in a metro city is 10 milliseconds from the public cloud, right? And so they've allowed for that. Now, you can actually use cloud backbones to get the availability, reliability and whatnot. So these are some new use cases that we have seen actually brew up in customers. I was just doing an interview and the topic was the innovators dilemma. And one of the panelists said, it's not the innovators dilemma, it's the integration, the integrator dilemma. Because if you have commodity and you have choices on, say, backbones and whatnot for transit, the integration is the key glue now. What's your reaction to that? Absolutely, no, and we have seen, we used to spend quite a bit of time in kind of what is the day zero problem, right? How do I put this together? Conversations are moved past that because there are multiple ways in which you can do that right now, right? The conversations are moved into kind of, this is more of an operational problem for me. It's not just operations in the, in form of, hey, I need to find out where the problem is, troubleshoot and so forth. But I need to make like really high quality decisions. And those decisions are going to be guided by data. We have enterprise customers that acquire new companies or they have a new site that they open up. Let's say it's a, it's a New York-based company, yeah, exactly, it's a New York-based company and they acquire a team out in Sydney, Australia, right? Does your cloud tell you today that you have new users or new applications that are in Sydney and naturally just extend? No, it doesn't. Somebody has to look at the macro problem, look at where are all my workloads, do a bunch of engineering in order to make that work, right? We took it upon ourselves to say, hey, you know what, 24 hours later, you're going to get a recommendation in the platform that says, okay, you have new set of applications or new set of users coming from Sydney, Australia. What have you done about it? Click a button and then you expand on it. It's kind of like how IT became the easy way to run the data center. Exactly. Before IT, you had to be a PhD and roll out. I mean, you know how it was, right? So, so you're kind of taking that same approach. Okay, well, Ramesh, great stuff. I want to do a follow-up certainly with you on this, because you're in the middle of where this wave is going, the structural change, and certainly can participate in that super cloud conversation. But for your company, what's going on there? Give us an update, customer activity, what's it like? You guys came out of stealth. What's been the reaction? Give a plug for the company, you're going to hire? Take a minute to plug in. Oh, wonderful, thank you. So, primary use cases are really around cloud networking, right? How do you go within the cloud and across clouds and to the cloud, right? So those are really the key use cases. We go after large enterprises predominantly, but any kind of mid-enterprise that is extremely cloud-oriented has a lot of workloads in the cloud, equally applicable there. So we have about 60 of the Fortune 500s that we're engaged in right now, right? Many of them are paying customers as well, and we... How are they buying service? Is it the cloud service? Yeah, so we provide software, we provide software that actually sits inside the customer's own administrative control, delivered as a service that they can use to go to cloud. On-premise hosting or in cloud? No, it's entirely in the cloud, delivered as a service, so they need to take care of the maintenance and whatnot, but they just consume it from the cloud directly, right? And so where we are right now is essentially have a bunch of repeatable use cases that many customers are employing us for. So again, building highways, many different ways to build highways. At the same time, take care of the segmentation, micro-segmentation requirements, and then importantly, this whole net devops, right? This whole net devops is a cultural shift that we have seen. So if you are a network engineer, net devops seems like it's a foreign term, right?  So bringing all those principles together, making sure that the networking teams are empowered to essentially embrace the cloud the right way, right? The single biggest thing that we have done, I would say done well, is we've built very well on top of the cloud provider. So we don't go against cloud-native services. They've done that really, really well, right? It makes no sense to go say, I have a better transit gateway than you know. Hands down, an AWS transit gateway, or an Azure Veevan, and whatnot are some of the best services that they have provided. But what does that mean? How do you make sure that- How do you go software into it? Exactly, right? And so how can you build a layer of software on top so that when you attach that into the applications, right? That you can actually get the experience required, you can get the security requirements, and so forth. So that's kind of where we are, right? We're also humbled by essentially some of the mega partners that have taken a bet on us, sometimes to the extent that we're a 70% company, and some of the partners that we're talking to actually are quite humbling, right? And so- They have a lot more resources. Exactly, yeah. And how many rounds of financing have you done? So we have done two rounds of financing. We've raised about 55 million in capital. Again, really great set of investors backing us up, and strong sense of conviction on kind of where we are going. Do you think you're early or not? Because that's always probably the biggest scary- It depends. Does that keep you up at night? So, yeah, exactly. I go through these phases internally in my head, right? The vision's right on the money, no doubt about it. So when you win an opportunity, and we have like a few dozen of these, right? When you win an opportunity, you're like, yes, absolutely, this is where it is, right? And you go for a week and you don't win something, you're like, hey, man, why are we not seeing this, and so you go through these cycles. But I'll tell you with conviction, the fact that customers are moving workloads into the public cloud, not in dozens, but in like the hundreds and the thousands, is essentially means that they need something like this, right? And the cloud native wave is driving big time change. Exactly, right? And so when the customer has a conversation with AWS Azure GCP, and they are privy to all these services, and we go in after that and talk about how do I put this together and help you focus on your outcomes that materially moves the most. It's a day zero opportunity. And you have head room beyond that. Exactly, so that's the positive side of it, right? And enterprises certainly are sometimes a little cautious about when they adopt new technologies and so forth, so it's a natural cycle. Fortunately, again, we are humbled by the fact that we have a few dozen of the pioneering customers that are using our platform that proves, that gives you the legitimacy for a startup, right? You got great pedigree on clients. Real quick, final question, 30 seconds. What's the pain point for people watching? When do they call you in? What's their environment look like? What are some of the things that give the signals that you guys got to get the call? If you have more than, let's say five or 10 VPCs in the cloud and you have not invested in building a networking platform that gives you the connectivity, the security, the observability and the performance requirements, you absolutely have to do that, right? Because we have seen many, many customers. It goes from five to 50 to 100 within a week and so you don't want to be caught, essentially, in the midst of that. So that's many problems. One more final, final question.  What is this? We've all got scar tissue. We've been doing the queue for 12 years. We've seen a lot of stuff. What's the difference now in this market that's different than before? What's exciting you? What's the big change? What's, in your opinion, happening now that's really important that people should pay attention to? A lot of it is driven by the focus on the cloud itself, right? That's driving a sense of speed like never before because in the infrastructure world, yeah, you do it today, yeah, you do it six months from now. You had some leeway. Here, networking security teams are being yelled at almost every single day by the cloud guys saying, you know, guys are not moving fast enough, fast enough, fast enough. So that thing is different. So it helps kind of shrink the sales cycle for us. The second big one is nobody knows essentially the new set of use cases that are coming about. We are seeing patterns emerge in terms of new use cases almost every single day. Some days it's like completely on the other end of the spectrum, like I'm only serverless and service mesh. On the other end, it's like I have a package application I'm moving into the cloud, right? And so we're learning a lot as well. Also- And great time for super clouds. Exactly, that's right. Do the cloud really well, make it super, bring it to other use cases, stitch it all together, make it easy to use. Reduce the complexity, this is just evolution. Yeah, and our goal is essentially, enterprise customers should not be focused so much on building infrastructure this way, right? They should focus on users' application services. Let vendors like us like worry about the nitty-gritty underneath the course. Ramesh, thank you for this conversation. Absolutely. This great huge conversation. In the middle of all the action, super cloud, multi-cloud, the future is going to be very much cloud-based, IaaS, connecting environments. This is the cloud 2.0 super clouds and this is what people are going to be working on. I'm John Furrier with theCUBE. Thanks for watching.


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So we're the event that makes sure that everyone gets to the final talk. So how bad was it this year at Christmas? Who removed the Windows XP from a computer? One, two, applause from the audience. And who wasn't allowed to remove the Windows XP this year because it runs so well? Well then we can just go home I guess. What I found really funny this year, we always say that you can relax here a little because you don't have to support others, make tech support here. But I heard that one or the other teen-Ager didn't come here because the rest of the family is here anyway. And you already had them for three days and that's just not possible. And then you have to think about how you can deal with that because Stream isn't the answer to everything. So who had to get rid of one virus or Trojan? Who had to remove more than ten? Nobody? Hmm, there's something happening. Not more than five either. Who didn't know how many it was? Ah, the method has changed. You just set the machines up straight from scratch. So, let's start. This is a picture that my friend Pavel Maier made. His job is making machines be able to see and he determined that stop lights, to machines they look like this because if you take a picture of him at 60 frames per second, when it's changing between red and green, it looks like this. This strange effect that you're observing now. And that's what we drive our cars with. Sorry, no, that's what cars drive us with. So, the beloved Rubrik ten years ago, what happened ten years ago, citizen Trojans for more citizen participation, for reference to state Trojans. But the digital age didn't stop at the political parties. And for example, there were some leaks. You guys saw that, right? How the parties got hung up with that. I think that's worth, a hall's worth of applause. The other thing in terms of citizen Trojans and citizen participation is this Android app. We have Haven by the Guardian Project and Freedom of the Press Foundation. Edward Snowden made some advertisement for that, if I'm correct. Which is the thing that would be forbidden in Germany if we would place it here? Well, let's see where that leads. I think that's one of the first signs that evidence collection systems, for example, if you leave a hotel room, then you might want, you don't know, is that a public space or not? Even though you just left the hotel room, I think this concept of public space will, we have to deal with that for quite a while now. Remote government. Surveillance work, outsourcing them. There are supposed to be private persons, patriotically minded private people that brought down Iceland. Patriotically minded private citizens, they're able to take care of their electoral systems on their own and didn't need other observers. Putin claimed that it was independent individuals, as opposed to ones acting with government coordination. So that was the point. Und so, excuse me, it was Estonia and not Iceland. Modular superworms. The whole thing about superworms becoming a little more modular, like ransomware, as we've seen recently. And then we have the topic of biohacking. I think there were some people who had Able Law on a PowerPoint. Yeah, yeah, and since then. Some people on stage bowing to Frank and the other guy. Excuse us, we are pausing there in the translation a little bit because we're so confused. You can see that biohacking has made immense progress as evidenced by the people crashing the stage just now. I don't know if those people have been modified with CRISPR. But I'd like to see that soon. So this CRISPR thing is a method for gene editing. So, we can take it quite far, the FDA was just warning that it was trying out itself. And so I was hoping that we could get a little bit of that for the conference. I could imagine so many cool things, like some little, you know, elf years or change some colors of some things. There are lots of ways that you can kind of toy around with things. But for next year, that's what we hope for. Then industry IT, child room IT, and hospital IT. And I recall that we were laughing ourselves dead with that dinosaur that we brought along. I don't know if you remember. It was the kind of toy dinosaur that you could pet and it would sort of hum at you. And it had a camera in it and a microphone and it could make some little noises. And this year, the federal network agency forbid a children's toy and child watches with microphones were also forbidden by the Bundesnetzagentur. And the nicest thing about it, the nicest thing I think was the thing with the Furbies, you guys know that, right? They didn't stay stuck in the class, stuck in the past, they now have FurbyConnex that speak Bluetooth and it doesn't need any authorization. And it plays audio files so you can imagine where this is going. It just means you just need to get close enough to the children's rooms. And we would like an audio track from y'all. Also, if y'all for ten seconds to just chant Cyber. Dankeschön. Thank you. Beautiful. The loop isn't allowed to be any longer than that anyways.  So toy shops, when they all start to cyber in there, you'll know why. You know these days, this Furby sort of seems to be the great grandfather of something Alexa. Did you say Alexa? Alexa, tell my therapist that seriously, that's a thing. There are multiple, for competing products as well, multiple implementations of Eliza. The original sort of therapist program and of course our machine learning based therapist software so you can talk with your advertising buddy or whatever. And so if you think about the human spirit is a stationary target. So if you have this kind of mix of therapy session and application in one thing, do you see the possibility? Well, what could go wrong? The cloud pat guys also lost 2.4 million files, sound files of children, many, many users. The next thing was the cloud predictions and the thing is if you sit there and predict the future and want to find out how hard things will be, then we think about things like Rohammer, things like escaping from one VM, going to the other via the hardware, via errors in the main memory. But how does the reality look like? Well, there are ASLR-Bucks where nobody set up security measures. Rohammer, you don't even need Rohammer, just download it and have fun. The biggest data leaks were just terabytes of customer data, just a variety of things. The other thing was the iPhone in 2007 like an iPhone, like a phone where you can execute stuff on it, but nobody is asking for that. So, but now security experts say that iPhones are the best thing for security-wise for the common customer. So, this is a market-driven thing. When exploits are expensive, then everyone has the incentives to keep them high.  It's also a good thing to add this one, too, because it was so good. Biometry, buffer overflow through smiling too wide. If you're, the corner of your mouth move too far out of this and your face, what happens? Is there a buffer overflow or not? MacOS 10, nichts zu sagen über das. I mean, Vista, Vista, Vista, was patched again this year with WannaCry, like that. And MacOS 10. And since that, it had two-factor authorization, username and password.  Ja, sie gehen einem überhaupt nicht aus. Outlook hat ein halbes Jahr bei Esmime-Mails, also bei verschlüsselten Mails. These things never stop. So, like, Outlook for a couple years with Esmime-Mails, supposedly encrypted-Mails sent the clear text along with the message. And then the kick in the stomach, is it only happened if the emails weren't HTML. So, like, Mails, how you're supposed to send them, huh? All right, well, it's the normalcy update. Username and password combination for a working mail account costs 8 to 15 dollars. In Germany, we had 83,000 cybercrime cases in 2016 with 51 million euros worth of damages. I'm wondering where these numbers are coming from. I mean, does that include WannaCry and everything? And then the store of the 300 million, whatever, is that included? And are there stolen bitcoins in there? And that's the interesting question. There's this great joke in Hamburg. Ein Hafenbeschlagnahm, dann hieß es, ein Container-Kurzbrot. The police took a container full of cocaine and then they said there were four tons of cocaine, was put into the police of four tons of it. And two weeks later, all two tons of cocaine were destroyed. So, we have something similar here. We had somewhere, we sold between five and five hundred, sort of referring to the volatility of a bitcoin. So, ATMs, manipulation of ATMs, 476 cases, 56% in Berlin, was going on there. So, you see all these ATMs and you just see them and you think these must be scamming devices, right? So, you know these from other countries, but you can't just go around there without seeing like five ATMs. But you really can't resist the urge to do a scamming device. Who took money from the ATM up there? Does someone know someone who took money from an ATM there? At least smell good the money, was it fresh? Oh yeah, 50.000 MongoDBs, no, 27.000? No, just 27.000 in one week in August. It was a massacre. The DDoS attacks that were publicly documented was 510 gigabits. Last year I read something about 600 gigabit and in privately documented things we heard something about 800 gigabits. So, but we say that's progress in the cloud development.  You have this day where you sell a lot of stuff and it would be a tragedy if the service was DDoS during that time.  Yeah, and so Bitcoin is a suggested way of getting out of it. They give you an address that you can send the money to. And so the traffic is exactly 15 minutes and it's coming from AWS or Azure because we know that people are using the free accounts from these cloud providers to come together, to pull together all of that capacity. And so there's no need to pay up. And so that's the logic of the internet these days. A round of applause from the audience for 100 million certificates from Let's Encrypt. And Encrypted Traffic in general has risen to 50%, if I'm correct, which is a great accomplishment in itself. And the crowd applauds again. Yeah, apps faken. Right, so faking apps is a thing these days. It's a thing now. So if you look at Google Play, in the Apple Store we had that too, with that Ethereum thing. And last year we said that all app reviews are fake, but not just the app ratings. Maybe the apps themselves are fake and maybe there's fake apps with real reviews. Depends on what you can afford. So a million Downs of the Fake WhatsApp Messenger are from Google Play. And then the sobering percentage of the day is that Google Android's security updates only reach about 50% of devices according to their own statistics. If you can believe it, is what I say. And so we come to the next point. Statistics that you haven't faked yourself. There were at least two zero-day studies. One of the interesting numbers was that a zero-day, if it's known as that, has been living for seven years. And so the vulnerability is seven years in the fields and use. And so it was discovered seven years ago and has been used and the manufacturer still doesn't have a patch for it. So this length of life has defined as the length of life ends when the manufacturer issues the update. And I find that absurd if you look at the number of people that still don't patch. The number of wounds that want to cry inflicted and the number of wounds that will still be inflicted because people still don't patch. And so, that Microsoft patches this and that or Google patched this and that or whoever patches this and that, those are headlines where I think that's nothing. Microsoft makes them available and whether they arrive anywhere or they land anywhere is another question. That isn't always one you can answer in the positive. And so, in this business, it causes these mechanisms by which manufacturers roll out their patches on certain days. And it's developed into a kind of routine. Microsoft rolls out a patch and then people open up Ida Pro and look out what kind of bugs were patched. And there's two markets. One is for developing the exploits. And then the other one is something about crashes. So the other reason that people don't patch is because software doesn't work. And so part of the reason you get people to patch is keeping the quality high. And so there's this rumor. And so there's this rumor that the rumor that Apple issues the really nice emojis with the important updates to motivate people to update. Sorry. And so this is of course a crazy conspiracy theory. But if you can find a way to make that work for IoT, then we should be thankful to him. To someone who could figure that out. So Apple has found a way how they can make humans update. But for IoT, I think we can only make that work by fixing the light after the patch. So the light works again after the patch. So maybe you could add a display to every IoT device that could display a smiling cat if you update. So maybe like collectibles. I think this is a good business model. Yeah, like Pokemon patching. We need a gamification of patching. Ja, das war Computer Massacre. The voting machine massacre went on this year. So the best thing of the... The best part is when people start looking for a metaphor for this whole voting computer village thing. It's almost like when you shoot fish in a pond with a Gatling-Gang with exploding bullets. And it's not filled with water, but gasoline. So there was PC Val and what was the name of the other thing? If we elect, yeah, that thing. We still have to wait for it yet. That's not out yet. How did that happen? You know, it was right before the federal election in Germany. Oh, yeah, shadowbrokers. So the phenomenon that we have malware with weaponized exploits where the secret service pay for opening up other people's computers. So we have that anti-e-government because it was the weaponshafts of the NSA that were emptied. Yeah, these were zero days that will accompany us for years. Yeah, these were known for ten years but not to everyone. So shadowbrokers make sure that these kinds of exploits are not used by other people. So the way this is handled when government malware is made public, how antivirus software adds them to their signatures or not, that has concerned us a lot this year. So the clear thing is national... So nation states are starting to see antivirus engines as national assets. ...daten und Dokumente, können alles mögliche sein. Und diese Strategisierung und Politisierung of the anti-malware business. And then there's this problem that attribution is difficult and so you've got the situation where this malware tech blog guy still can't leave the United States but at least he's a free man. What else? I think we should take a closer look at this. People on their Twitter accounts set their region to be somewhere in Germany because then certain people don't bother them anymore because the Twitter censoring mechanisms for the locality of Germany apparently share their tastes more closely because they've gotten rid of more of the Nazis. The place that you choose for your social media account determines the way that certain things are attached and we're missing some documentation there. And hey, maybe all of us want to become virtual citizens of, I don't know, maybe it's better there. Like what you have and when you don't have. We don't know that. Maybe you should reverse engineer that or something. Maybe machine learning could help. Machine learning to the rescue. Apache struts was supposedly the volume that was used with aquifax and then they were popped. It was sort of something like Schufa in the US. One of the big three with about 150 million US people in the database including in addition to ones from other countries. So complete profiles. Celebrate, celebrate. Wie nennt man so was? Das ist ein Dienstleister der Regierung, dabei hilft, analohte Telefone aufzumachen. They are a service provider of the government. That allows the government to open up other people's telephones. So therefore surveillance and not privacy. True data richness. So, and then there were a couple of AWS buckets of stuff. For example the Republicans had lost 198 million data rows. And how much was that? Well, that was everything. All voters. And 1.1 terabyte of data accessible and 24 terabyte data not accessible. Well, was that a very interesting thing? Well, we can compare it to 2015. We had that 2015 already. What has changed? Well, for example, they added the skin color and the political orientation of the people in the database. So we see this was used for targeting and this is the direction we can interpolate that a bit. We see that ransomware also does the crypto right like using really good algorithms but even for ransomware. Crypto stuff is hard. So rather use the reference implementation because every time you do it on your own it goes wrong or set it in another way. If you want crypto security for your data with the keys of other people it's better if these crypto malware with us didn't pay attention in the crypto lectures at the university. Right. So we see a development. The development always goes where the money is. So even two years ago crypto ransomware was a good business model because you can earn a lot of money with it. But there's some funny things like in WannaCry where it didn't really work or a couple of others where the question was whether it was real ransomware or just Viperware who just tried to erase all the data. So this is actually pretty good. So if you have the software on your computer and you don't know if it's ransomware or not but there's no customer support and it doesn't follow the standards of ransomware then you're yeah, it's a bit bad. So it should be there should be a good way to pay and customer support und so there are certain industry standards have developed which as a malware developer you should sort of follow and outside of these industry standards so the non-compliance that you could say are a kind of indication that they are total stimper. Total idiots easy because there's a lot of total idiots out there not everybody is what they're doing but this wonderful topic of customer support and as we all know customers are very annoying and you don't really want to have anything to do with them and so and so many people are sort of throwing themselves at coin miners with such enthusiasm because Computing capacity of is used to mine coins and so you don't have anyone on the phone that you need to explain why you're buying bitcoin and so the operations are much easier in this way ransomware is up to about a third I think a third of malware is ransomware that was a study about the middle of the year August or something and so I'm interested to see how far coin mining as a malware form will do because customer service is so much easier and so there been some all these new coins and how many of those new coins are ransomware friendly because if you think about it ransomware ransomware has certain limitations if you think about mobile phones you can only really use a mine on phones in the evening when they're connected to power and stuff so and it would be nice to design some coins that are malware friendly and so the question is how do they how do they these coins develop so lange sind deine Daten leider verschlossen situations where your data is only encrypted for two weeks while we're using your computer for mining and we want your power too or something from time to time these bitcoins are seized and then we have the question what do you do in those situations as a country you can turn seize things into money at some point so the first question is what's it called the the the state goes to the tax payer and says you should have sold that a lot later so how is this from a legal sense so we've been talking about this a lot in legal circles and of course there aren't a lot of cases of precedent so maybe you treat this like seize stocks so to be sure they apparently checked what about what happens when the when the seize goods are lottery tickets and that turned out to be an analogy that they found to be quite apt also die Antwort die Antwort lautest du dann halt verkaufen so the question is you can sell it gut jetzt müssen wir mal reinhauen okay we got to get into this now interesting things from more notable things from 2017 were these bluetooth broadcom and other radio vulnerabilities you mean the other computer in your telephone exactly this other operating system with the other thing that's also all over because in all computers there's a computer inside that has a computer inside it there's a operating system on it there's one of these things from Intel wait let me see okay I know it's got to come up with it Intel ME anybody that stands for linux embedded minix embedded oh minix embedded or was it the ninix engine okay wir können den auch zu Tode prügen wir können dieser immer die Millenium Edition bluetooth Broadcom es ist interessant wo du eine bestimmte Penetration die Menge bluetooth und Wi-Fi Devices du hast die Vulnerabilität hier und die dritte ist wie nahe sie sind und du musst einen Überlap damit es von Punkt zu Punkt und wenn du so einen Punkt reachst hier hier, ja hier anybody's Phone in their pocket get a little hotter nur einen Satz hier zu nur einen weiteren Satz hier hier ist ein anderer Facebook Schadoprofile Artikel ohne das Keyword Birthday es gibt keine neuen Revelation Facebook hat Schadoprofile und was mich erneut ist, dass es nirgendwo in diesem ganzen Artikel ist es ist ziemlich klar was sie für sie benutzen sie monetisiert monetisiert das Interessante ist das Ding, wo wir News in den Mitteln und wir würden lieber etwas machen als Security aber und so es gibt ein paar Dinge die da sind so wie Sensors being used differently than the Designer of them imagined for instance this Dolphin Attack where those advertising devices were like Alexa were manipulated to do things that they weren't designed to do und suddenly Alexa was a lot of cat supplies so so there's also the thing that these devices react to ultrasound so how long does it take to train a batch to emit the right ultrasound so what kind of attack surface do we have from a parrot so how long does it take to make the furby order the cat litter so the dolphin attack is really strange so there's also the question is how you can get around machine learning you just encode more things into pictures that the human can't see but the machine can so this was my favorite thing this year Ethereum ist such a smart contract system the idea is that you have contracts in front of software and that should be a good idea somehow and over the three years where the currency has over 3.5 billion market cap and people looked at the programming and checked whether you can write something that looks innocent but have bugs in them so the bugs submitted were pretty boring, nothing interesting in them well the public ones yeah the public ones well which kind of crazy person which kind of lunatic would send something in well if the price is only a thousand dollars well you can be a little late the bug bounty has to be similarly high to the thing you can reach with an attack and Ethereum isn't at the slow so the most interesting story was about this janitor who wrote the story on a block platform who tried to get rid of the mess of bad and cheap routers so they can't be used as DDoS devices so there was this discussion how useful it was but that's not the interesting thing so what happens if you let machines do that so what happens if there's an AI who tries to attack vulnerable machines and takes them down we're not that far from that so maybe we should just do that there are automatic exploit kits so we can build that and take down systems that are vulnerable and on the net i think we'll be there soon so this is just a data point there was a star wars botnet with over 350.000 accounts but it didn't really do anything on twitter so this is a really big thing this year so the robot or the AI or the algorithm collection that goes out and attacks systems and also gives patches to the vulnerable machines that it attacks there's an open source toolkit for that from the team shelf fish from the DARPA cyber grant challenge so in the cyber grant challenge the task was to develop a program that attacks other programs and also produces patches for the systems it should protect so this clears up the thing with the cheap routers so death by auto correct was the thing this year there was at least one place where the auto correct in a word processing software in a word processing software it was about an antibiotic that only knew one of the antibiotics in other and corrected that word and so it's kind of stupid because it's important to have the correct antibiotic because there are all these people with various allergies and stuff and so we decided to check into how serious this problem was it seems to go on a little further than that because doctors dictate a lot and so we asked Siri how many people have you killed but she declined to answer I find that very suspicious and car washing streets as well so one of the auto washing machines was tested and the videos were released so the door tried to smash the car that tried to get out and if the people if the people if the door got hold of a human then they could also spray the water directly at him so let's look forward so in the last 7 minutes that will be hard the center quality problem it's good if the cameras are getting better and better I think a few years back we had an app that allows to see the breath with the camera with the selfie camera that can also take the the pulse and it can see that at the cheeks and the refresh rate of the cameras gets higher and higher and we're recording micro expressions we see whether people are nervous feel good or bad a lot more is possible and it won't stop so the result is something like the thing with ultrasound and add bugs so you don't know what they react to to so adverse input will become more interesting so things that can damage you and can be produced by a computer will become more common so and they'll be controlled by a computer this leads us to the topic of what is built into this device how was this device built for the purpose that the thing is being used for now so there's a nice saying we're on the on the shoulders of giants so if you use the scripted library here we use this library over there we can use it to determine the number of centimeters to the pedestrian in front of us but if we include this library we need to have internet access because the phone is being downloaded from google for the temperature display it's displaying the temperature but we can now build such a temperature display in under 10.000 lines of code so we do stand on the shoulders of giants and can look further than others so there's the saying don't roll your own crypto use a library that's good but who patches it later on and that's the problem the giants aren't they're not healthy they only have one eye maybe and they have clutches I think we're missing the metaphors here we're not we're not standing on the shoulders of giants but of car houses I think we're standing on a giant dump now the bad story comes the bad news that's the best case scenario we've seen some great examples in this conference of what can happen giants, they're too expensive, they're too big and there's too much and the giant isn't even from here I decline giants for religious reasons I want to be a giant too but you're only one meter and 30 centimeters that's discriminating so if you get the idea you can implement yourself because how hard can that be implementing a payment system how can that be you could use classic for that it works great and classic means that it's a classic classics are always good this problem of what happens when we start with machine learning and releasing it on people has been sort of following the whole thing since the keynote of Charles Charles and there are these automatically generated child videos designed for children and we haven't seen the end of this when you sort of think about the technology technology components of here and we've got pretty good text to speech these days and pretty good speech to text and so we have a phone call the first time it happens will probably be an advertising call and someone from the audience says that it has happened before already and he asks ok did it have an understanding for you I think that will fail because no one uses their phones for making phone calls All this data is the oil of the 21st century, whatever they say, that was sort of the kind of things that we put up there last year. And so what was so great about oil, you know?  Data are the oil of the 21st century, and I think about the wars, obviously, yeah. We're gonna like, you know, fill the ocean with trash over it. I mean, it's the equivalent of AWS buckets. So Hava wrote something nice recently. Data isn't really the oil of the 21st century. They're more the tap with burning gasoline in front of it. And you can warm yourself at it a little bit, but other than that, it's basically just got disadvantages. No advantages other than that one. You can sort of go a little further with this. If data is the new oil, then data is the new snake oil too. And then now we're back to the topic, statistics is hard. And so what you can read out from data, you have to be able to get it. And so if you can't do that, then you can sell all sorts of things with data. And then what's sugar in the tank in this metaphorical sequence. Yeah, so we've got a little more here. Yeah, social media facelifting. It happens these days still. There are professionals that will sort of pretty up your Instagram account and make sure that you look beautiful and beloved. And so alternative IDs are becoming more and more important because there are countries where you have difficulties doing certain things without a Facebook ID. And so you need a sanitized Facebook Profile for that. And for those that don't want to buy it, there's an app to help them manage their social score. It would be best if that was driven by artificial intelligence. Ich bin total into the story. And the social score is being used to check whether you get credit or not. And a lot of that should go into that. For example, stuff from the government. If you didn't pay the parking ticket, that's a lot worse than if you didn't pay your phone bill. Also, I heard that health data should also go into this. So, you ask yourself, what will be the consequences? Definitely a chocolate black market. So, angesichts der Arbeitszahl an der Mediensektor. So, for the split of work in the malware department. Yeah, the value generation, the supply chain, value chain. Something like that. And so everyone in this value chain gets a little bit of a kickback, gets a little bit. There's the compliance and the malware industries. They all say that this Automization is not so bad, because there will be new jobs. But we're seeing all these new things and new jobs like compliance auditor in the malware sector. So, new jobs being created by Automization. And then Internet of Things, Ghostbusters. The IoT Ghostbusters. Last year we had the IoT Wunschelrutengänge. It's someone who finds the IoT devices that are even there. And so the Ghostbuster is like the movie, the one who catches them in a way that you can then analyze them afterwards. If there's an IoT device that's been infected with malware and you want to be able to sort of figure out the nasty stuff that's on it, then you can't sort of unplug it, because it's gone. All the data is gone.  So über 2,330 Volt, linke Leitung, rechte Leitung. So wie Strahlenkreuzen, nicht Strahlenkreuzen. 5 Volt, 12 Volt, Power. You have to sort of be clever about reading the RAM of the device, the memory of the device. Jobs gut, wo man klein anfangen kann. So, these are used jobs, needed jobs. Sorry, I need to take away your production hall. But I have to keep it powered because I need the malware sample. Oh ja, Quantum computers in Silicon. Quantum stuff, I think we can see progress in this. Anders, we have problems that we see today and don't know how to solve them. But if we can solve these, we might be able to build quantum computers with the traditional manufacturers or something that looks like and feels like a quantum computer. Let's see. So, we asked around what will go wrong next year. For example, in cryptography, where will be the neck apocalyptic. So, the things we heard were Bleichenbacher or more bad randomness and more bad randomness and hardware. Like Infineon and Estonia. So, what's new? Nothing. The old stuff isn't empty yet. Isn't used up yet. Applaus. Well, and we have Cloud Exorcism has just appeared on the screen. Cloud Exorcism is something.  So, you can get rid of its bed, so we have something, because we don't know yet whether you can give food to family with this. Watch the talk where you can disassemble the vacuum cleaner. And where you can see that the vacuum cleaner has better securities than some financial banks. We also asked ourselves how do you get rid of the cloud in the vacuum cleaner. We'll get more of that. And if we did that already, maybe we can get a business model.  And they get rid of the cloud. And I don't know yet whether they'll visit your homes or whether you buy them from there or via remote access. Or maybe little prostheses, prosthetics. Yeah, yeah, so there's something to it, to that. And the last thing, quite a few Bitcoins out there where people say, you know, I think I've heard this about five times, you know, I've got a few sitting around there somewhere too, but like, you know, the drive's dead or I don't know where the drive is. And you know, or there are people who say, I can't remember what the password is. So what we need is unlike a hypnotizer, which is unlike a lawyer as an actual profession. And there's not just a predefined wage that they earn. Yeah, I think that's it. We wish you a nice way home. Happy New Year, 1948. 1984. Yeah, very happy 1984 to you from the stage and from Austin the Translation booth. This has been...


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Hey guys, it's Nate, aka The Foot Accountant. Welcome back to the channel. And all the craziness of the Black Friday and Thunderstruck promo content on this game, we've got a new twist coming into this game today with brand new hero cards going to be dropped into packs today, but only for a certain number of people. We're going to cover that today when those are going to be dropping. We know the exact time that EA have said those are going to come out. And are we finally going to see the end of all the crazy supply of all these cards that are in packs with the lightning round slowdown today and therefore start to make some of our investments rise. Other cards are already starting to rise in the market. There's a lot to cover today. If you saw it for it, drop a thumbs up, subscribe if you're new. Let's go over yesterday's content because yesterday was one of the craziest days of content. I mean we every single facet of the game, Evolutions, Objectives, SBCs. It was crazy yesterday. We got to start off with the evolution. The hero evil that we had talked about in last night's video was released and it's just okay because it's a 75,000 coin unlock for a hero that you're going to be putting inside of this upgrade. Now it is pretty easy to do. It's not very many games, right? That's the best part about it. The upgrade though seems very suited for a midfielder, right? You get plus two shooting passing and then plus one dribbling and defending with the tiki taka playstyle and the press proven playstyle on level two. This evolution is only 30% upvoted. I'm pretty sure that I saw over 30% upvoted on footbin and actually I kind of feel with that. I feel with that because this evo seems like it's fitted for a midfielder like hero card. If you have Park Ji Sung, this upgrade seems very worth it with the playstyles that you get, the upgrade that you get as well. He's one of the heroes that's not getting one of the new Champions League items and he doesn't have any other versions of a hero card yet, links to Hyun Min Sun, right? Links to maybe a Huan Hee Chan that you did in a previous evo. This is like one of the cards to me that makes it worth it, but you're going to have to go and spend 60k if you don't already have his card and on top of that 75,000 coins to unlock the evo. So it is a bit of a coin sink, but there are some good upgrades that you can find inside of here. Again, like I said though, it just seems to be formatted for midfielders. Like I don't know if a lot of people are putting a Robbie Keane into this, but like do you really care about your Robbie Keane having Tiki Takah and Press Proof and maybe you do a little bit, maybe it helps his card out. He's already got good shooting in the technical playstyle. So it's a good looking card there for the Robbie Keane upgrade, but I don't know. I just feel like this is worth the bang for your buck the most if you put a midfielder in there or somebody that at least you're going to end up using. But a lot of people are seeing that as 75,000 coins, that is too much to be putting into an evolution for a hero card that's just getting a plus two. And I feel that 100% feel that. Now let's go to objectives. We have a couple new things here. Watch out for the pro event today, the FC pro live memory of the Twitch stream. We have to watch that to get packs, right? And then there's going to be an Easter egg mystery nation that they're going to talk about on the stream. We're going to have to do a finesse shot, score three finesse shot goals to get a coin boost and 82 times two. So it might actually be worth this is like them trying to get you to actually listen to the stream, but it's going to be tweeted out at some point and people are going to know as it's like go do three finish shots with this nation. So just wait for somebody to tweet it out today. And we'll probably talk about it on stream as well. Maybe even mention it tomorrow's video if you miss it. But we'll be looking for that today. We also had a cup that was dropped yesterday on this game, which actually is worth doing because you get 1000 XP for getting four wins to get a 50k pack at the end. It's a way to grind gameplay to get yourself some XP and some extra packs, which we all need at the moment to try to get fodder to do all these SBCs. Speaking of SBCs, I just had a duplicate 84. So we're going to take a pause in the action and do a one of three 85 plus rare gold players pick come up. I will take an 88 come right into the club, Guru Rita, and that's going boom straight into the abap SBC. I will take that. Now, speaking of SBCs, let's go there next because there was a lot of action there yesterday. Guys, yesterday's SBC content was unbelievable to be completely honest. The 87 plus campaign mixed upgrade SBC, RTTK Trailblazer Centurions and Triple Threat 87 and above. So that takes out a lot of those cards on the lower tier. They specifically required an 86 rated. So 86 ratings did have a bit of a spike yesterday. I don't know if all of them went up to like 14k, but I saw a few like 14,000 coins, like 11k to like, okay, 12, I guess is all DiBala went to. But I think I saw like Mares went all the way to 14 or 15k when I was clicking through some of these graphs earlier. Yeah, so he had a rarity spike. But I mean, 86 has only went up a little bit for this 85s actually with the SBCs that have been dropped recently 85s are seeing the biggest rise. They were 6k, they're now 7,000 coins. But all this fodder again, guys, is just going to slowly keep rising throughout the week. It's finally getting towards the end of all the crazy packs apply and the store lightning rounds and the saved up packs being opened. And we should finally start to see those prices. I know we've been saying that for like days now. But I truly believe that right now we have a lot of SBCs and a lot of demand. And way, way less supply. But that was one of the SBCs that dropped yesterday is making things move. And it's an SBC that a lot of people based off of the footbin votes, 69% up voted liked also the base hero player pick. I mean, wait a second, look at the SBCs that we had dropped yesterday, 62% of votes 69% of vote 90 74 and 93. Every single SBC yesterday had a above 50% of above 60% above. That's crazy. That just tells you how actually kind of crazy of a day it was content wise base hero player pick. This is kind of perfect because if you get somebody that you could put into the Evo and you want to do that, you could throw them in there. It's a one of two and it is pretty cheap 84 85 like that is not bad 100,000 coins for a chance at an uncapped base hero player pick. That's a GG. If that's something that you're really hunting, you can do it three times in the next couple of days. So boom, another great SBC to try to craft right now. And then EA dropped another flash player flashback SBC. And man, I mean, these are kind of crazy. First, we had Oscar. Now we have Mangala, who is a solid card, four star weak foot, medium, high work rates. This is a perfect starter SBC. If like you're somebody who just got the game and you're looking to put a card in your club, like this is literally again just an 82 rated squad. It is so easy to do. That's a must do. And I got to get that done before it expires because that's a free 86 rated card. I have no problem with that. I don't see how you could have a problem with that at all. And then for the high rollers yesterday, we had a icon SBC Thunderstruck icon, Ballak, who upgrades based off of Bayer Leverkusen, not Chelsea Bayer Leverkusen is how he upgrades. And what an upgrade for his card. What an item in general. What a dynamic image. And the price is pretty good to 480K to craft this SBC. It's really only three squads if you think about it, right? Of course, it's six squads. But you got the bronze, you got the silver, you got the gold, then you have an 86 and 88. And in 87, very easy to do, very, very easy to do and get done. And Ballak, I've heard in this year's game plays very, very well, could go to an 89 rated, of course, if Leverkusen are able to win three games in their next four. So that's a W. Honestly, that is a W card. It's Hullet gang with really good shooting, passing, dribbling, great box to box midfielder. I mean, you'd like a couple more play styles, right? But I guess if they win one game, which I don't know if they've already won a game or not, I didn't see Bayer Leverkusen result from the weekend, but he could already be getting a play style added to his card here pretty soon. Whenever they decide to do those Thunderstruck upgrades, we'll talk about that in just a second.  So that was pretty good. And then of course we have the mini release and some more cards added to packs with that Soul Campbell, Hemp, Frimpong, Fikir, and Uptiti. Frimpong is crazy expensive. We're talking 500,000 coins for his right back card. We're talking Bayer Leverkusen again, obviously ballot upgrades for Bayer Leverkusen. This card is very rare, but he is very expensive. I don't think this card is justified by the 500k price tag. I almost think of the same thing about Afonso Davies. I know they're both insanely correct defenders, but they feel very, very expensive. So that's one that, again, just be careful. I think Hemp and Fikir are honestly overpriced as well. Fikir is like, I think 300k and Hemp is 155,000 coins just seems a bit overpriced to me, but they are very rare because they were only in packs for one day. And of course the other cards have been packs like, look, Fikir only has three pages. This could be a card that does move a good amount today. Just keep it on his price because he is flat out rare. And he has the Travella playstyle, which is playstyle plus, which is pretty meta. Now they keep dropping, of course, the lightning rounds on the packs that are in the store. They're going to continue to do that, guys, but I think it's going to slow down. And you can kind of tell by how they drop these lightning rounds, right? The Breakthrough Jumbo Ultimate Players pack plus, it's out for three hours 45 minutes. All the lightning rounds that they were dropping on Friday and on Saturday, those are like one or two hour lightning rounds. And now they've got ones that are sitting out for a longer time. The store is going to stay busy, right? I think I have a 30 coin pack, maybe 10 and a 30 coin pack come up. The store is going to stay busy for these next couple of days. Of course, people are going to be interested in doing the packs like this one and 10 and 30 coin packs. And then also the other big packs that are in the store, like they're going to refresh and stuff like that throughout the next couple of days. But I think the lightning rounds and a lot of the big tradable packs are going to slow down. I think most people have probably spent what they were going to spend on FC points during the weekend. Like most people, not saying there won't be anybody, but there probably will be less people during the week doing that. And now the kind of the motivation on the game. Ooh, actually, this is a decent pull here. Pause 85 summer. Is he 85 rated from a 30 coin pack? 84 rated. I'm thinking last year of summer. That's good. I will take two 84s come up. All right, see, nice, man. Those 30 coin packs, they're actually kind of nice. But what I'm saying is we're going to talk about this a bit in the video too. It just feels like the content is going to have to slow down a little bit this week, not be bad, but slow down in the fact that we have had so much over the weekend. And there's just like how much more can they release like the content and all the SBCs we have is bananas. I just don't know how it's going to go for the rest of this week. I feel like it's going to slow down a little bit. And I think that's actually going to end up being pretty good for the market. Now let's talk Thunderstruck. Let's talk market really fast here as well, because we have got more and more upgrades that are confirmed. This is a tracker tweeted out by sheriff and a lot of other guys. More foot is the website. I'll drop a link this down below in the description. You can take a look and see if a player has got that plus one play style or maybe their first inform upgrade for the regular cards accrued based off of their win. I don't know how you get to the regular Thunderstruck cards. Let's go Thunderstruck. Maybe it just shows the icons. Oh, here we go. Just had to scroll down a little bit further. Like Neymar is going to a 91. Vinny is going to a 91. Dianne is going to a 91. The question is when are the upgrades going to be happening? That is the biggest question. And as of right now, we do not know. We're waiting for an official response from EA. I have still kept a lot of my Emre Chan cards. I have a few less than I did before, but I bought Emre Chan's last night for like 66k. His price ended up doing pretty well. It's still right around 71, 72,000 coins, which I'm very happy with because technically this card is going to be a 86 rated. Like he basically is 86 rated right now. He just hasn't got the upgrade yet. So I think a lot of people that are looking at these Thunderstruck cards, if the supply is going to be slowing down, I think a good amount of these cards have potential to rise during this week and even starting as soon as today guys. But if I had to guess for an upgrade date for these, remember the old promo of foot fantasy. We mentioned it in yesterday's video because that's the promo that is like closest to what this Thunderstruck promo is in terms of the upgrades. The foot fantasy upgrades would come on Wednesdays. If EA didn't mess them up, they would come on Wednesdays when a new team in the week was dropped. So I'm kind of thinking that that might be the same sort of scenario we see with these cards. We'll just have to see. We need some more confirmation from EA, but that would be my first guess is Wednesday for the Thunderstruck upgrades. But again, guys, I look at this promo team and I see cards that are probably going to rise. This is a live card promo. I mean, it's so much pack supply this very weekend. Guys, I think that if you see a low price for a card like the Emery Chan that we're looking at, he's still pretty low. Quadrado is down because they did not win yesterday. So he's low. That's actually one of the cards I was able to pack. So far, I've packed Tierney and Quadrado. Tierney is going to go to an 86, by the way, because they won. Besides the point though, if any of these cards that you're looking at that are getting upgrades, I would like to specify that the cards that are getting upgrades, I think we'll do the best. Gabriel Jesus already gone from 160 all the way back up to 173,000 coins. 170 still feels pretty low to me. Like 170k. This could be a car that's 200,000 coins by the end of the week or next week with an upgrade and more potential upgrades in coming. If Arsenal keep winning and if we don't get like a Prem Stryker, SVC or something like that, right? That would be something that could hurt his card price. There's always risk with something like that, but I just feel like these cards, since they're alive, since they're relatively affordable, especially on the lower tier, I think there's a lot of potential here. I really do. And I think that you're going to see these cards rise into the week a little bit with the upgrades in coming, especially for a few of those cards. So I would focus on those. I like the lower tier the most. Jollington, 37,000 coins. Like he's been very steady around that 35k mark yesterday. He was 40, went down to 33. Wow. I would even say that under 35k, that's going to be tough to get, but low 30s is pretty good for him just because that's a Brazilian linking card in the Premier League, Newcastle links as well. Like I like this promo team, guys. They're live cards. Live cards almost always do very well out of packs because they're alive and they're upgrading. So I'm keeping a close eye on those. I still have some Emery Chans and we're hoping for a rise in price on those today. Now let's get to more information in the title of this video today. The UCL hero cards. You're like, Nate, what are the UCL hero cards? Well, we talked about these a long time ago. Actually, you know what I want to see? Did they add the card design into the game yet? Are the UCL heroes? They are UEFA heroes, men's and women's. The card design is here. It's finally time for these cards to be dropped in the game. But if you didn't pre-order the ultimate edition of this game, EAFC 24, you probably won't be getting one of these hero cards today. The people that are getting these cards once again on this game today are going to be people that pre-ordered the ultimate edition before August something or other, August 22nd or something it was during the summer. If you pre-ordered before then that was the cutoff to get your hero card. So there's going to be a lot of people getting heroes today. And these are the heroes that are going to be in the packs, right? And if you're like, is EA actually going to put these in packs? They've got the pack code ready to go. UCL hero pre-order pack, right? It's here. And it's dropping today. It's dropping at a weird time. We'll talk about it. But it's coming today on the 27th of November. You've got a Litman in, you've got Rui Costa, Bomb Pastore, Vincent Co. with 81 pace, McMahon and Beasley. Some of these cards are actually getting some pretty sizable boosts. Like if we take a look at, Wesley Schneider is one that I'm like, wow, okay EA, you're giving him a pretty sizable boost. From his 91 rated, right here we have 85 pace, 87 shooting, 93 passing. If we take a look at his 88 rated card, he is going up like plus threes, plus fours in some stat attributes off of his base hero card. It is a sizable upgrade for pace, three shooting and three passing for Schneider, three dribbling as well. And five physical, like that's a really, really solid boost on his UEFA hero card. A lot of these other hero cards are getting pretty big boost as well. We're going higher rated to 90 rated for these Arazu, Tevez getting a 90 rated card, Violi looks absolutely insane. Even Alex Scott looks pretty solid as an 88 rated. So these cards are coming today in a pre-order pack for those who pre-ordered the game early enough. And for the exact drop time of this, it's going to be at 259 pacific. I went all the way into the fine print, you know, like the click here, read the fine print for more details. We sifted through this here just a little bit ago to find this. UEFA Champions League hero items will be available from 259 p.m pacific standard time today on November 27th. If you're not in pacific standard time, this is a little bit of a, I guess, wait for to think of it, right? So it's basically three p.m pacific, which is six p.m eastern time, which is 11 p.m UK, maybe Google it whatever time zone you're in, but it is three p.m PST that is 11 p.m. It's almost actually for a lot of you guys around the world. It's actually the 28th because it's late night tonight. If you're in the UK, it's 11 p.m. almost turn of the new day for the 28th, but that's when this pack is going to be released. And in the way that they've done it in years past, you literally just get the pack all of a sudden in the store. It's just given out like that. It's just kind of there. So I would check your ultimate team accounts later this evening if those drop, well, they should be dropping. And then we will probably open some of those packs tomorrow on Tuesday on the stream. That'll be a fun thing to do and see what people can get. I remember last year getting very lucky with the Rudy Valor and hope I get lucky this year as well with one of these UEFA heroes. But I will say a lot of people may be asking like Nate, is this going to impact the market a lot today? Well, actually, I think it's not because part of the whole reason with these hero cards dropping early is EA's trying to make it an incentive for you to want to pre-order the game in future years as well. Because guys, these UEFA cards that are dropping today are not going to be in packs. They're not going to be in packs for a couple more weeks when we probably get like a UEFA team in the tournament type of promo in December. This is a set of packs being released to really just kind of reward people who bought the game early. And that's what EA want to do with this. But these cards are not going to be actually on the market for another two weeks. So if you're getting this pack today, you're going to have like a one-of-a-kind item for the next two weeks before they get released in packs. I don't think it's going to cause a lot of panic. I mean, if I have to imagine who we're going to be packing a lot, who are we going to be seeing a lot from this pack since there's not that many heroes in it, right? Alex Scott's going to be pretty popular. Canu is going to be pretty packable from this. I would also say Risa from the Pram, Berbatov, the low-rated ones, right? Rosinski is going to be in there a lot. Who else? There's no, oh, Demarcus Beazley, which I would be mad getting him. You would think that Ramirez, 87-rated would be very packable, probably not though, because he's going to be very expensive. McMahon and Mino will probably be pretty expensive from what I've seen from other hero packs this year. Probably Rui Costa and Liman, like we mentioned. It's going to be the lower-rated cards that get packed the most, right? You know how this goes. But the only ones that could maybe be impacted a little bit, like let's say for some reason, like Vialli has a pretty solid pack weight or something like that. Maybe his card, his base hero drops a little bit, but his base hero is already super cheap at 36K. So I don't expect a ton of market impact today, especially because these cards are all untradable. Now let's talk a little bit more about the markets as we get into things today and as we get into really prices that are already starting to rise and maybe some investments that we can make as we expect a Monday market rise just about like we do every single week. Guys, I'm looking at some of these road to the knockouts. Now we talked about FC Pro live cards. We talked about road to the knockouts. And if you invested in any of those yesterday, you timed it very well. Kari's like Karamoa going up 10,000 coins apiece, Kolo Mani, William. I think Dele Alli was like 50 something K yesterday. How much was he yesterday? I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere in the 50s. He was 60,000 coins last night, all the way up to 70,000 coins where he is now. A lot of those cards have started to rise. I'm looking at the road to the knockouts especially. Look at DePaul yesterday, right? Content yesterday was kind of just okay. Right around the content drop, he was 129. He is now 150,000 coins. There are a lot of these live cards that are going up in value because people are investing as we head towards the end of Black Friday. Saka last night was 300. He's now up to 337. Even some of the other road to the knockouts that are in packs like Bruno Gamerash was 117, 111 like all day yesterday and now he's starting to rise up 122,000 coins. You can see this, right? A lot of the graphs for out-of-packs special cards started to rise up as we expected. That's why I wanted to really talk about it a lot in yesterday's video is really good investment opportunity on some of these out-of-packs special cards, especially the ones that are live. And I think those prices should continue to rise during the week this week. I was really tempted to buy Kolo Balli's yesterday when he dropped in price because of Mangala, right? He was down to 35K. We do have one more centerback SBC that is leaked for Thunderstruck and that is for Kuti Romero. So I'm holding off on buying Kolo Balli for right now just because once again, if we get another centerback SBC, which feels like we've been getting so many of them recently. But if we get another one, that could mean his price drops off a little bit. But for the rest of this promo team, guys, just keep an eye on them because, you know, I'm going to sell probably Mane, Kolo Mane. We'll see how high they go today. I will probably sell in the hype just because those are cards that could drop off a decent amount if they don't get upgrades. So selling in the hype is the safe play. Danielle Malin, who I know a lot of you guys have invested in, 23,000 coins. This is literally like zero risk. Yeah, he could go to 12K if he gets no upgrades today. But like, what do we buy? I think we bought him for like 16K that one time when he was super crazy low and was 23,000 coins. So those cards are live and they're active today. A lot of the ones that are not active today like Tovan, the rest of the team, they're going up. People are investing because again, the Black Friday craziness is starting to end. People are looking to buy some cards for teams. I think these guys will continue to go up. And if I were you, I would look at the cards that are in packs. I know it seems like it's crazy like Nate Bruno Fernandez is going to be impacts throughout the rest this week. Do I really want to go buy this card for like under 120K to hopefully see him go to like 140 later on this week? But I would absolutely that's exactly what I would tell you like this is a card that I think could go up 15 to 20K during this week. If they're able to get the win, I think they play Galatasaray. And if they win, he's getting he's getting a double upgrade potentially if they would clinch moving out of the group and also that second win Bruno does not have any upgrades yet. So I think he's a very popular one. If you want to check the upgrade situation, go and flip in over to dynamic players go to RTTK. Let me just double check this on Bruno. Yeah, Bruno is not upgraded yet. And if they win, I know they've got Bayern in their group, but you would expect them to make it out. I have to look at the group standings, but if they were to win this game against Galatasaray, that would also greatly improve their chances of getting out. I can see this card going up to 140K by the end of the week. I can see cards like Oseman. Oseman's matchup is not as favorable. They're playing Real Madrid. But this is a car that's down bad, right? Here was 180K for most of the weekend right now. Still 190. There's potential there. So just keep a close eye on those, whether they're in packs, whether they're out of packs. And again, the other out of packs cards in the market, like some of the triple threat players, Grealish, that's the lowest that I've seen him, 120. Very low. Thiago still 38,000 coins, Carvajal 88K. A lot of these sorts of cards, I think, can rise up in value during the week this week as well. As again, we turn the page from content being crazy and people spending a ton of coins on that sort of thing to people starting to buy cards for their team. And again, like I mentioned at the beginning of the video, seems like we're going to be turning into more gameplay grind. Like today you think about it like, okay, a lot of you guys probably are hurting for fodder. Like I'm hurting for fodder a little bit right now. Yeah, we have a little bit. But I've been doing so many upgrade packs and grinding the 83 times 10s and all the SBCs that my club is pretty much washed, right? And how do we get fodder besides buying packs from the store? You go and play games. And that's kind of what is probably going to help the market rise today Monday into Tuesday and Wednesday is the cup is rivals is footchamps people going and playing the game to get the pack rewards. And that is gameplay demand, which means buying cards for team. So that's where I'm thinking the market is headed on this game. I still have a lot of coins into a lot of cards that I already mentioned, right? I still have my big expensive ones, like I bought a soccer for 300. So I have some Chan, so the Kolo money and money. One last thing I want to talk about are informs really quickly. Informs dropped off a lot yesterday. I believe all informs were around 36k or something like at 40,000 coins. They tanked yesterday. Informs absolutely got destroyed because there were no informal requirements in the other SBCs that were dropped. This could be an investment opportunity here, guys. They could go lower, but they also could go higher. I'm pretty sure the cheapest inform on the market right now is 30k, which is the lowest they have been in a while. But it's because the combination of lightning rounds and I think there were no SBCs yesterday that required them. So you have a lot of people that are selling these cards off because they don't want to get stuck because informs at some point are going to go back down to being like 15,000 coins. But at least right now, they are still 29 or 30,000 a piece. They're still dropping as well. This could be a risky play, but it could be a play that ends up working out very well. If I were you, I would focus on the higher rated informs. We do have the icon SBC that's refreshing later on this week. And that is one part of SBC content to me that looks a bit interesting. So I'm trying to pick up one or two of these for my transfer list. I'm not going to go all out or go all in. Again, I don't think we're getting a ton of new SBCs this week, guys. We already have so much. I can't see the SBC content bringing out a whole bunch of new things. It's kind of already here. Besides maybe a player SBC or two or maybe one or two other things that could be dropping. It's already all here. It's all just about what SBCs are people going to be doing this week and crafting and what you know, that's going to make fodder go up. So there are a lot of like the 83 times 10. That's one of the best SBCs. It requires an inform you could see informs rise for that people crafting other big SBCs like the Mbappe requiring so many different informs and higher rated ones. So that's why I look at maybe the 86 rated informs that are about the same price as regular informs like, you know, I just looked at DACA. I look at Alaba. I think I'm going to buy one of each of these and put on my transfer list for like 32k. Like I'm not looking to make a ton of coins here. I'm just looking to save myself a few coins if they go up later on in the week. If those go to 40k again, I will gladly sell and I will take the money. But again, we still have lightning rounds that are going on. So those cards prices could drop down throughout the week until we maybe get a big refresh like the icon SBC that does require a high rated squad and an inform. But informs are very low. So definitely keep an eye on that. But that's going to be the video for today, guys. I mean, we're looking forward to the hero packs today. If you're excited for it, comment down below which hero you want to pack the most. I would love to pack Tevez. Tevez would be sick. And obviously, Westley Schneider would be pretty nasty as well. But you know, I'm probably going to be packing like Burbotov, which I wouldn't be too mad with, but or tricky bees, but we'll have to see. But if you enjoyed it today, guys, drop a thumbs up on a comment below if you have any questions and subscribe if you're new. See you guys in the Twitch stream today. It's been Nate for Accountant. Peace out.