Hey everyone and welcome to my webinar about really finding cloud native debugging or as I would like to say never wait for your next deployment ever again. Before we begin, let's do a quick introduction. So, my name is Noah Goldman, I'm a product manager at workout a my favorite thing in the world would be to take complex technical issues and make a super simple and easy to use product out of them. So, let's begin. So before we speak about the different challenges when it comes to cloud native architectures and evolve into the cloud. Let's speak about why cloud is so much fun. So cloud is a major thing in our lives, and there are a lot of reasons for why so one reason can be that cloud as flexible and scalable. So, it's easier to manage higher user traffic if you have them, or maybe if you want to process a big batch of data cloud native architectures makes it a lot more easier to do. Another reason for why cloud is so much fun is that it's reliable right so you can still see data, even when your servers are down, which is a great benefit. Another reason can be that it just saves money. So it reduces costs and your IT team can actually now do different stuff other than maintaining your servers. It has great disaster recovery plans which is another advantage when it comes to cloud native architecture and just security wise it has automatic mandatory update which is great and it has data security monitoring and for all those reasons. This is why cloud native is so much fun and we love to use this. Before we dive into the different challenges. Let's see some numbers and some graphs because graphs are fun. So if we thought that cloud native is a huge deal. It's going to be a much bigger thing in the future and it will take an even greater part in our lives in the next four years. So by 2024 production grade cloud native applications will expand to 70% from 10% of all apps in 2020, which is a major thing cloud is going to be a bigger deal in the future. And this is why we want to learn how to hold those challenges will affect us and we want to learn about those challenges, the cloud native architecture actually brings to us. So we also want to learn how to overcome those challenges and maybe even avoid them in the future. And this is why we're all here it's a good thing that you join me and we will learn all about the different challenges and how we can grow for them and avoid them. So, let's think about the different challenges that cloud native architecture brings to us so one challenge can be just compliance requirements right. So you have to make sure that your application is compliant and ready to be run in the cloud, which is not always that easy. I can take time. Another challenge can be design modifications, sometimes you will have to redesign your app and the different architectures to better fit the cloud native architecture. Another challenge is that downtime can occur here and there when evolving to the cloud. And you know what just lack of expertise you were not always familiar with everything. And we will have to learn how to use the new tool and expense our toolkit. And let's face it, it takes time, and it's not that easy. All of those challenges are super important, we definitely need to learn how to overcome those, but I'm here to speak about one challenge that is especially close to my heart. And it can affect all of us. So, the challenge is the challenge of debugging your cloud native applications. And this is why we're here. So let's speak about this challenge. Before we speak about the actual challenge. I want to speak with you about the traditional debugging methods, all the different debugging tools that we are all familiar with and love. I'm sure all of us have used at least one of those methods. So let's dive into each and every one of those and see that they might be great, but they're not that much of a good fit when it comes to debugging our cloud native architecture applications. So the first one will be command 90 bugging, which is great, but it has a few disadvantage. So the first is eventually to be that it has limited amount of commands. So it's not like you have this great do we with different buttons, you basically have a few commands that you can use. The output is not always clear there if you remember it's a black screen, you see a big batch of data there. It's not always clear and easy to read. You can use again and almost always it will require more investigation. So it's not that you will just get that you need and solve your bug you almost always have to do some more investigation and try to solve the bug in different ways. So again, command 90 bugging. Great tool. But it's not that great. So another tool that we all know and familiar with is local debugging, which is also great, but it has a lot of disadvantages as well. So first of all, one of the drawbacks what we're talking about local debugging is production configurations. And when I'm speaking about production configurations I'm speaking about reproducing your production environment in your local machine right. So it can be your runtime environment, maybe you need to reproduce the production operation systems, or maybe different versions of the operation systems. You need to reproduce your source code versions right you have a certain source code version in your production that you have to make sure you run in your local machine. If you have any dependencies you have to produce them locally in order to find the specific bug, or just network configurations or any other conditions that you have in your production. It's not always the easy and the easiest thing to reproduce them on your local machine when you're troubleshooting a certain bug. Another drawbacks when we're speaking about local debugging is the application state right. The application state can be the actual data. Sometimes it's not the easiest thing to reproduce your production data in your local machine right that I sensitive it's not always possible to produce it. It's not just the actual production bugs you have to copycat your users and try to execute exactly the same flow that they did in order to reproduce the bug locally and reproduce what happened in production locally, and it's not always easy but sometimes it's just impossible. And those are just a few of the reasons for why local debugging it's a great tool for debugging, but it's not that great and it has a lot of disadvantages as well. Another tool can be logging and tracing, which is still great to but it has a few disadvantages as well. If you're not consuming, you have to follow those logs make sure understand them. Can you even predict your bugs, right. Most of the time we cannot predict the bugs, which means we don't always have the right log lines. Do you even really log every line of code that you're right. I know I don't. Most of the line of code that we could write. We don't have log lines from there for them and in the money time. So I have a few log lights this in terms of performance and storage costs. It can cost a lot of money. And you really have to keep maintaining those logs you have to add more logs or remove more logs, and it just constantly this and this for all of those reasons and this is why login and tracing it's not such a great tool when it comes to debugging your cloud native applications. Another great tool can be remote debugging a great again great great great tool, but it stops the app. So you don't always want to stop the application where you'd be bugging it. You need to know your service intimately. It's almost impossible in the cloud, you have many servers, and it's not that easy to connect to them and to understand which server you wanted to bug. And in terms of security, anyone can stop and start the app which is not that great and also you have a port that is left open to accept incoming connections from the client side. It's a TCP port and again it's not that recommended. Another thing that I want to speak with you about is the flow into production likely. Well, if you're doing that good for you. Let me know how it went for you, crossing fingers and hope for the best, but I have nothing to say to you. So good luck with that. So we spoke about all the traditional debugging ways that we all know today. But let's speak about the actual challenges that comes with debugging your cloud native architectures. There are different challenges. So the first one would be that you give it up to control, you don't have the control anymore and this is not always easy to deal with. Another challenge is that it has high complexity complexity architecture. So when I'm speaking about high complexity architecture, talking about multiple microservices communicating with each other. It's hard to get the holistic view of the app when you're dealing with such microservices, and just recreating the application state. It's not that easy when your architecture is so complex. Another drawback is the dynamic environment changes. So it's a huge challenge. You have instances that are deployed and turned down dynamically. And it's not always that easy to deal with. There's no up or process we can actually attach to in traditional debug sense, which make things a lot harder. And you know what just access sometimes you don't have the right access that you need when it comes to debugging your cloud native architectures. And those are just a few of the challenges that are brought to us when we try to debug our cloud native applications. Before we dive into the different solutions, I want you to all think about this story. So you're developing your application, everything is great. You add a new features, everything is going smooth, you all have fun. The team is enjoying their lives and everything is awesome. You try the evening, you have plans for the night, you're thinking about it, you're just dying to go home. And all of a sudden, a client will knock on the door, and they will have a major bug that has to be fixed right now. We're doing shifts from being nice and in joyful mood to panic attack and being all stressed out. I'm sure it all happened to all of us at least once when we're speaking about our development careers. Think about how much you wanted to just solve the bug as quickly as possible and get it over with. Here we want to learn about how we can do that to avoid such panic attacks and how we can solve our clients bug fast and avoid such situations where we all in panic and we just want to finish with the bugs. So I want you to think about this story, and let's dive into the different solutions that we have. So one solution I want to suggest is APM tools. APM tools are application performance management or monitoring tools, depends on how you want to use it. So they collect metrics data and they tell you what's going on within your application. So metrics data can be anything including transactions analytics availability, lock scraping, which are all presented in a beautiful dashboard. Those tools can be you might know them as a new relic of the dynamic dynamic race and there are many more. But they have a few drawbacks as well. So no fidelity data is one of them. The data is collected at low fidelity so while the solution can be relied on to alert you. They provide little direction as to just what that something is and how we can fix it. So again, this is just one drawback. It has significant learning curve. We're not always familiar with this and it takes time to learn it. Multiple tools to monitor various aspects of the application. So again, it's not just one tool that you have to implement and adopt you, you have to install multiple tools and learn how to deal with them. Which again, it's a major drawback and it just consumes more resources and a drop of your costs. So APMs are a great tool, you might want to use them when it comes to debugging your cloud native architecture applications. But they do have a few drawbacks that you might want to take into consideration when debugging your applications. Another solution I would like to bring is exception catching. Exception catchings are tools that automatically capture and track exception as they occur. They will help you identify patterns or repetitive that behaviors within your applications. Such tools, you might know them as century or box dogs and there are many more. They have a few disadvantages as well. So first of all, again, much like APM tools. Those are another tool that you have to use. And bugs also do not always come from exceptions, right? Most of the bugs that we have are actually being created because the developer did something wrong or maybe the business side didn't think about everything through. So most of the bugs are not always coming from exceptions. Exception catching tool can act differently in various environments. So this is one thing that we definitely want to take into consideration when we use it to debug our application. And again, much like different solutions, not all the data is available. So it almost always requires some different investigations when we're trying to debug our applications. Again, exception catching are helpful. They will be great, but then will not solve everything that you need to solve. The final solution I would like to bring up will be live debuggers. So live debuggers are production grade real-time debugging. They collect data from a screenshot of your application. They can do that on demand for many environments without actually having to stop your application. You can do that with just one click. You can set non break and break points, which are the coolest thing in the world, and get data on the fly without actually stopping your app. So it has great advantage.  The code that you will debug behaves exactly as it is in production because again you're debugging the actual production environments. You're not debugging locally. You're producing bugs. Again, it's a lot easier because you don't have to follow your users step by step and why they didn't reproduce the bug. You can just have it right there in your production environment. It has no performance impact at all. And it has non break and break points, which is the coolest thing in the world. You just place a break point as you know it in your ID, but the difference is that it just doesn't stop your application. So for all those reasons, this is why I recommend live debuggers when it comes to debugging your cloud native architecture applications. Yes, so this is my final solution and I want you to go ahead and think back about the story that we just mentioned a few minutes ago, and think about how cool it will be if you have such solutions and you will be able to solve your cloud native applications a lot faster with not having to deal with such panic attack. You will be able to solve the bug and move on with your life and enjoy your Friday night plans. So yeah, those are all the different solutions that I can offer you when it comes to debugging your cloud native applications. Please feel free to contact me at Nagelmanitruko.com. I'll be happy to answer all your questions. I had great time. Thank you for listening and enjoy the rest of your day. Bye.


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Very nice I'll start starting catcher right there for the Blue Jays We'll take that we'll take that the orita bars Confusano Sixto Sanchez on the a rookie Refractor is Walker Bueller So basically trash bird the way this works is we sell like group break spots So for this there's 26 spots and we do a random we go on random org and random all the teams and the names and Whatever team you get you get all the cards So say you got the Mariners and in the random you would get all the Mariners cards like you would get this having white rookie plus every everything else so people Luba purple is Anoli parade ace for the Astros 192 out of 250 very nice and Refractor you're cold. Yeah, Sean just drink drink LinkedIn FAQ LinkedIn FAQ for all your questions if you'd like to answer it. We have like a YouTube video that says what's a group break as well So So, yeah, there you guys go Yeah, two to go an inception two to go in WNBA Getting there guys. Yeah, no problem.  It's like what trash comes in. 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Yeah, you drop the email Sean's gonna drop it for you right now Kevin Martin first jaren kindle Jake Berger Justin Verlander There's an Aaron judge that birdie Dylan Tate sandy alcantara Ryan McMahon rookie and Edgar NCR say There's the email right there late in sports card that gmail.com And guys we've got I believe still two spots to go got a purple shimmer coming up of that Sheldon Noisy Very nice. There you go ease Austin Hayes rookie and Raphael Devers rookie. There you go Red Sox Congrats Sox Two to go guys two to go in the next break Mackenzie and Niel De Los Santos Show a rookie there you go angels very nice And Harrison Bader rookie man pulling some good Rooks out of this I have to say some good Chrome Rooks Let's keep this going guys. Good luck. Good luck Dylan Cease. 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Congrats on that one Yankees It expired it's already expired so again if you want to I would still put it in and if not then I would try to contact Hops on that one Yanks. It's still pretty cool though. Hopefully they can do something for a Yanks. It's got the Yankees That would be Alright guys 2022 definitive collection. Let's do it. Good luck. See some red Yeah, flash straight to Houston now, they're gonna get to celebrate really Got Christian Yelich That is 20 out of 30 Go into the brew crew nice nice one there brewers. I Trust oh, yeah, we got nice Mike Piazza Protectors at the plate 10 out of 25. There you go Mets nice one there Cool one here going to the Reds that is Barry Larkin one out of five. There you go sincey Reds are hang you see congrats hang you got going to the White Sox 19 out of 30 that is Jose of re you on the jumbo Jersey auto White Sox Grats White Sox Go nice one here green go into the Nationals That is three out of ten Andre Dawson Tim Reigns There you go Candler pretty cool card there for you man as this is an export will go Nationals With the odds of this how about another cragmatics framed auto this time out of definitive five of 25 For the Braves congrats again Atlanta There you go Atlanta nice hit there Grats Grats. We've got nice going to nightmare Nick P That is the doll through on 12 out of 50 on the rookie auto Congrats on that on the Vidal Bruhan, and we've got numbered nine out of 25 and Braves killed it Chipper Jones on the definitive collection autograph man.  We'll get the car one two three four five six seven eight nine ten 11 and 12 going to the Giants Giants top two there top two meant to be All right guys so a quick recap We've got Salvador Perez Buster Posey Jersey that's going to the Giants got Christian yellow chip brewers Whitmerfield Royals Chipper Jones for the Braves of the doll Bruhan going to the race Greig Maddox to the Braves Tim Reigns Andre Dawson dual going to the Nationals Jose of Bray white socks that is Barry Larkin Reds Glavor Torres going to the Yankees on the redemption had Jake Rogers Tigers Byron Buxton for the twins Roanzee can share as pirates gents and junk angels cutter Crawford at Red Sox Patrick Mazzica Metz That's that's Cameron refractor going to the Tigers That is Cody Hewer for the white socks Trevor Rogers Marlins and Ashton Godot for the Rockies Couple more here. We had Steve Carlton Phillies Glenn Otto for the Rangers followed by a Max Kepler wave for the twins Zach Lothar Orioles a noly parade ace for the Astros we had in case from pristine is Don Mattingly and Cabrion Hayes neither are numbered nice hits there for those teams had will Clark to 99 go into the Giants out of top screw and black and our Maggard we had Mike Piazza 10 out of 25 That's just want to fit into a regular sleeve There you go Mets and how about a Greg Maddox one out of five on the black frame Silver ink auto at a museum for the Braves That'll do it for the break guys. Thanks again. Next up. We've got WNBA prism


All right. Listen. This is passion. We got the playoffs boys CFM playoffs we are in the divisional round. We have to play VA dimes who has joined the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Those of you guys that have been following CFM all year. Let me know in the chat Let me know in the comments have been following CFM all year. This is our last run I know VA dimes is a super off meta person and you guys know I said all you guys have been found is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are one of the best teams in the league. Let's take a look at him now So we can show you guys so this team has been kind of cerebral victory had him John Beast had him like they've kind of been Different owners for the last couple years at the end of the year people don't want to play as much So it's found different owners for him, but they are one of the better teams in the league Marcus Mariota is mobile Marquez Valdez scantling we have Danny Gray really fast wide receivers Lazard just big body receivers that are fast. This is a good team right here Robert Tungyan and the defensive side of the ball Stingley Westree absolute dogs and then he'll have Ramsey at safety, which is a little difference Maybe put them in linebacker. Maybe keep some of safety Buddha Baker Jonathan. I mean honestly just absolute dogs Absolutely dogs on this team This team has definitely been passed around, but it's I don't think I'm gonna say it's the best But it's definitely up there for sure. Oh, we're at our hands full and I know VA dimes is a Off meta player I really don't know it used to be a lot of like quarterback runs or like read options type right goosa stuff like that Why receiver jet screen passes touch all stuff like that so I'm going to have to know play on the fly I have no scouting report. No nothing and one thing people say and this is one thing that blows my mind when people The meta. Oh, you just run tight is playing against the meta is so predictable defensively and offensively like I think like It's it's one of the biggest complaints once I hear of somebody complaining about that I just dismissed their madden knowledge and their maddened passion because dude when I go into a game And I know what you're gonna run I feel like my job is so much easier on defense and offense Honestly, you know and dimes has been really good for a long time now. He has well I don't think we played this year, but we haven't played like he's a old head like me, you know All right, so I said man We got a we got a think on the fly here boys one of my strengths Friends one of my friends at the man player is always preparing not much to prepare on here boys So I got to show up another strength is adjusting on the fly and figuring out what to do. It's not him It's not I guess it's the game. I guess there's literally a drone. He's already set 15 audibles, you know So we're gonna get an audible fast and it's gonna be nasty. So Hey six, let's go man Told just on the fly, baby Come on Now between me and you guys no, I'm gonna be honest.  I don't know.  John DeGarre Wilson made me pick this guy battle didn't know who it was I'll be honest Garrett Wilson said pick them and look at him He makes the pick in the last game forces a fumble right there Of course, our boys not in the game. Are we running match early? I mean honest when people run match and it's confusing which is confusing to me It's confusing whoever runs it. They don't know what's gonna help helps when it happened If you learn one something for this game literally you put four wide receivers on one side of the quarterback And they can't match anymore Literally all you got to do boys. I have four options on one side of and then that's it That's all we got to do, you know Come on, man. I'm way more physical than this guy Get this rinky dink bubble gum and bulls off my field dude. Like how do I stop RPOs like that? Like what do I do? I got a pass commit Like how do I like stop like our peels though? Like I don't know like I don't want to pass commit but like this is so Made offense dude. This is what scrubs do Short knockout. It's not happening kid See how stop the run Like like I don't know like You know what I'm saying like More man, it's bumps.   Is that happening to you guys? Maybe I shouldn't be a be a Diving the end zone. Maybe it's teaching me to not show boat. Maybe it's teaching me not to show boat I wanted to dive in end zone. I did You know Did I dive too soon? Did I dive too early? Was it too late of a dive? Like what's my move there boys? Come here, big dog. Who what type of block into you? Oh my god Thank you man Fumble out of bounds Absolutely nothing on my field man All right, one more score field world touchdown, whatever we win this game Just gotta keep playing offense. We've had the ball twice. We've got two touchdowns I mean that's that's gonna win us the Super Bowl offense I'm on conservative. We're holding the ball.  I really don't but how does nobody get to the middle linebacker right there, dude move I don't like him lurking me aside because that's the side I want to high low over there like I want to high low that side of the field I mean, I wouldn't switch against to stop the run out. Come on man. I guess I was I mean, honestly boys where I'll tell you this this this might be the difference between me and the other scfm little kids This game this game should 100% be over at this point Oh Man, that's not what I should have did I got I thought I'd be able to do that drag and I just I that was a dumb throw away I dropped back too far to where I couldn't get sacked anymore I don't know. Maybe I could have got sacked and still made that field goal But that was just a mental mistake, dude I stared down the drag and I didn't like throwing it.  I wanted to make it the fourth quarter right there. I really did that was my goal Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I wanted to give myself a chance to get the first down But I really didn't have my heart ain't throwing anything risking to keep this guy in bounds right there That's out of bounds get the out of here, man. He's hustling up so crazy I mean, I should have clicked on that one though. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm so old Like what are we doing? Like this is so bad those passes. Like what the hell? I didn't think he was throwing that I thought he would go to post He'd do a post backside on the and I guarded the angle route the post was wide open though I really didn't expect him to do that dude Like if I expect to pass I'm ready to click on but like he just shook this cover. It's like, what are we doing? Like, well, I'm sorry boys.    I just need to not feel you. I see that coming. Did y'all you? I see that coming did y'all daddy I mean, he's the one that got outsticked in the air He the one that got outsticked in the air not me I mean, I wanted to go to other streak that was wide open and I low key hit the wrong button. I'm sorry. I'm sorry What do I mean tell you but at the end of the day the ball was in the air and who took it? I didn't have a six eight wide receiver That was a little five foot eleven wide receiver. I tried to sell No, he just got moss like he just got a teabag if you didn't click on it's it's knocked out with 100% I always motion over the outside guy who was b When I do this, I don't know why I motion so I honestly want to just throw b But you know streak was wide open. I just wanted to throw the ball b right here Which normally every time I motion over is the outside wide receiver. I don't know why Because what I did was I motioned over Firemuth because he's a better blocker and I thought he would think I was running and maybe run commit So that's why I've motioned over firemuth, which was I always go motion over b So it's always b and then a is the dragon drag. That's what happened You guys want to know how I got to pick here?   All he wants to do is all the bull around all about motion Put your people this way motion glitch find rpo scumbag Right and madden gets confused by it. So what happens is normally your outside corner is quick adjustment is b Every time this guy is b every single time But when they audible this guy now becomes lb So what I wanted to do was man up a safety that's normally lb on the running back So I did quick adjustment lb running back But I got lucky that because the game's so broken It makes my outside corner lb that I accidentally manned up the outside corner on the running back by accident pick six, I mean He played himself


Excellencies, distinguished guests, including to our many colleagues who I understand are online, welcome to this event on migration is about people and MGI stories of policy impact. I first of all have to thank the governments of the United States, Brazil, Nepal and Mauritius who've joined us today to share their experience using the migration governance indicators to inform policy change and the positive impact that it's had on migrants and communities. And I just want to pause a bit to share a bit of a personal reflection. So for me, MGI was a bit of a hidden, like a hidden golden egg because when you hear the term MGI, it sounds very technical and when you hear indicators, it sounds a bit geekish. But then kind of almost by accident, David, my colleague, decided that he was going to give me a briefing on the MGI. I have a background in result space management, so I was fully ready for a very technical discussion on indicators and instead found out about this really, really great tool that facilitates a process that brings together all of the departments of government. So a whole, I mean really putting into practice a whole of government approach. It's also very demand driven by the governments and it allows a comprehensive way to deal with the multidimensional aspects of migration. And ever since I realized this, I have been such a, well I'd like to think, I hope my colleagues think, I'm such a strong champion for the use of MGI, though I will vote for a different name if anybody has great ideas. I've been such a champion of this and deeply appreciative of how this has enabled IOM to support member states with their migration policies or integrating migration across other policies. So it's a, personally it's a great pleasure for me to be here today. I also want to thank our moderator for this session, Matt Samuel from The Economist Impact for being with us. The Economist Impact is our MGI partner for almost a decade and we truly value this partnership and are looking forward to seeing it grow even more in the coming years. And before I give the floor to our very distinguished panel, and apart from being distinguished, they're also my, I'd like to say my friends. I have just a few words to say on migration policy and governance and why it matters. And at the end of the day it goes back to the title of this event which is Migration is about people. And that's really why it matters because we want better outcomes for people. We want to fully harness the potential of migration. And we want to support governments in achieving this potential. Too often it's seen as something abstract and far removed from daily life, but we know that systemic change and deep transformations are not impossible, are impossible without improving policies and institutional frameworks. For IOM, as we engage with our member states and partners to support better migration policies and good migration governance, the central message is clear. Migration policy is about people. And you would have heard our DGA MePoP speaking on day one of the council about her vision and people first is at the center of her vision. Sound migration policies are essential if we're to realize the promise of migration and as recently documented by the World Bank in its 2023 development report, migrants can contribute much to the destination's economy efficiency and growth over the long term. About 17% of healthcare workers in the United States, 12% in the UK, 79% in GCC countries are foreign born. Remittances sent by migrants reached $840 billion, which is more than foreign direct investment and ODA respectively. And if you add the informal channels, estimates are that remittances are actually above a trillion dollars a year. The long term benefits of immigration include increased entrepreneurship and innovations, stronger links for international trade and investment, and better provision of services such as education and healthcare. All of us in this room know that when migration is well managed, we can unlock its tremendous potential in a way that benefits migrants themselves, communities of origin, transit, as well as destination. So as I started with, after more than two years in IOM, I've had the tremendous privilege to meet with many migrants and listen to their stories, most continue to face hurdles as they move to escape conflict disasters and the impact of climate change in search of better life and new opportunities. And they're ready to contribute to their communities. And that is why migration is about people and how we can serve them. I've also met with countless governments who have the utmost commitment to create regular pathways for migrants and their families. We heard this today in many of the statements that member states have, that member states made. And in many instances, governments and migrants want the same outcome, but don't have the right structures to make it happen. Working together, we can find the solutions that are not just, or as our DG says, the triple-win solutions. And this is where the migration governance indicators come in. And as I mentioned, it helps governments take a hard look at the policies they have in place to manage migration. To date, 109 countries, 91 local governments have participated in an assessment using the MGI, demonstrating a truly global footprint. Now, in the interest of time, I'm going to pass it back to the moderator. I have a few more notes on examples from Ethiopia, cities in Moldova, the Marshall Islands. But the purpose of all of you being here today is to hear from the panelists. And so I will stop my opening there.  Thank you. Thank you so much, DDG Daniels. And thank you, IOM, and especially the MGI team, for inviting me, but for hosting this fantastic event. As DDG Daniels mentioned, my name is Matus Sammel. I'm a senior manager at Economist Impact, the research arm of the Economist Group. And we have been working with the MGI team for the past many years on developing the MGI process and the program. And I'm extremely excited to be here today to discuss some of the results and the applications in real life and the experiences from our really distinguished panel. So thank you and thank you, everyone, in the room and tuning in online. But without further ado, I'll just quickly introduce our amazing panel and then we'll just jump right into it. So we have with us Ms. Elizabeth Campbell, who is the Deputy Assistant Secretary in the Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration at the US Department of State. Welcome and thank you. She is responsible for humanitarian assistance in Africa and multilateral coordination and external affairs. And prior to this, Ms. Campbell was the director of ANRAS representative office in Washington, D.C. Thanks. Secondly, we are delighted to have Mr. Augusto Giaruda-Botelo, who is acting as the National Secretary of Justice and Vice Minister of Justice and Public Security in Brazil since 2023. And he's a lawyer specialized in economic criminal law with the University of Cumbria, University of Salamanca, and MFGV. And previously, he was an advisory board member at Human Rights Watch, as well as the Inocencia project. He's also involved with the Rede Libertada project created in 2019 to defend individuals and social organizations facing violations of fundamental rights. Thank you. Thirdly, we are delighted to have Mr. Keval Prasad Bhandari, who currently serves as the Secretary of Ministry of Labor, Employment and Social Security of Nepal and boasts a distinguished 32-year-long career in the civil service in the country. And Secretary Bhandari is responsible for overseeing key areas such as domestic labor relations, skills, as well as occupational safety and health. And prior to his current role, he held a position as a member secretary at the National Planning Commission, MPC, and has an extensive background in working at the Ministry of Finance. And last but absolutely not least, we're really delighted to have her Excellency Usha Chandidwarka Kanabadi, who is the Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary Permanent Representative of Mauritius. And prior to her appointment in Geneva, her Excellency had been serving as a Secretary of Foreign Affairs of Mauritius since 2015. And prior to that, she was the head of the Multilateral Economic Directorate at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, International Trade, and Regional Integration in Port Louise from 2007 to 2013. So thank you, everyone. Really appreciate you being here. And just a very quick note, as you can imagine, the event is being filmed and photographed for communication purposes. So hopefully everybody's OK with that. But without further ado, let us just jump right into it. And I'm really excited to hear your insights and experiences. And Ms. Campbell, let me start with you. The US government obviously has been the main donor behind the MGI since the very beginning in 2016. And I know that your government has been using MGI in innovative ways and insights from MGI to inform program designs and interventions. Could you just tell us a bit more about your approach and perhaps the value of MGI and the insights for evidence-based programming and really capturing the needs of the people on the ground? Thank you. Sure. Thank you so much. It's a real pleasure to be here and to speak about something that is of great importance to the State Department and the US government and a key partnership that we have with IOM. So one enormous value add of the MGI is the fact that it provides a comprehensive baseline for migration management. So I think we all know how difficult it is to define something like migration management in clear, measurable terms, let alone to identify its quality or success. So the MGI has taken a complex, qualitative idea and developed a tool to measure it. So in addition to the MGI, we at the State Department also fund three regional migration programs through IOM in Africa, in Asia, and the Americas. So as the MGI has grown and increased its coverage, we've seen closer integration between the MGI assessments and these regional migration programs. So for example, after participating in MGI assessments, several countries have worked with IOM under these regional programs to develop comprehensive national migration policies that adopt a whole of government approach. One specific example comes from Southern Africa, where IOM supported a partner government, their ministerial committee on migration to develop an action plan to realign the existing migration programs with the MGI assessment report for that country. So we think that it's poised to compare assessment outcomes across regions and identify individual areas of work that will have great cross-cutting impact. And all of this means, in short, that we can approach the various regional dialogues in which we're all a part and other partnerships with a toolkit and a recommended playbook of information to plan for efficient and effective new programming. Thank you so much. It's really exciting to hear both the integration with other programs and also the application on the ground and using the information and insights for program deliveries. Thank you so much. And just turning Mr. Botello to you. Obviously, in Brazil, the migration landscape and context has changed significantly in recent years, which obviously requires sort of new measures and responses. And I know that MGI process has also been an important sort of tool for providing the analysis and reality check on the ground. Could you tell us how your sort of policies, new approaches are responding to the challenges that the country is facing in this area today? Well, first of all, thank you. It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you all. Let me be quite honest here. As you'll see, my background is on criminal law. I've been working as a criminal lawyer for the past 20 years. When I was appointed as National Secretary of Justice, who is the one in charge for the migration and refugee policy in my country, I knew. And my knowledge about migration was about the same as I had on biology, which is close to zero. In 11 months, I had to learn a lot to put in practice the new policy on migration, refugee, and state lenses that we are putting together in Brazil. So with that, I can easily answer that. Without indicators, without the work of IOM, without the work of MGI, I was probably more lost than ever. So it's fundamental that we have your work and the partnership that my country has with IOM to help us build, as you said, a country that has been changing a lot when you think about migration patterns and migration flow. The Brazilian migration law is actually quite new. It's from May 2017, and it changed completely the way that the Brazilian law faces the scenario. The previous law was very focused on security aspects and only containing very restrict ways to promote migration. Today our law is fully based on human rights as a principle, and especially bringing to all migrants and refugees, all the access, universal access to all the services, programs, and social benefits that our country has at disposal to absolutely everybody. So the new law changed the migratory reality in Brazil. This was the basis, and this was the response that gave a positive answer to the Afghan and Ukrainian diaspora that we had around the country, also from Haiti and Venezuela. And now what we are dealing with, a new completely different way to look at a national policy. I think I'll be able to answer this in a better way in the next question. But what we are trying to do in a completely new way of building a policy, we had more than 200 organizations from civil society helping us to put this policy together. We had the help of IOM. We had the help of the whole academia in Brazil. We had more than 1,400 written suggestions to this policy that we could transform these suggestions into a policy that will soon be presented. But without the work of MGI and without indicators, our construction will be much, much more harder to do. Wonderful. Thank you so much. And we'll definitely delve deeper into the question of bringing in stakeholders at various levels. I think that's really, really critical. And but also thank you for bringing up the sort of role of MGI as setting the baseline particularly in the times of change. And we all see that the rapid changes that are happening around the world really require to having that sort of common understanding. And that's really great to hear from your experience. Turning to you, Mr. Bandari, obviously Nepal in recent years has been among the leaders in terms of the discussion on migration and development policies and including becoming a global compact champion. And now you are developing the 16th National Development Plan. Could you tell us a little bit more about the sort of broad outlines of the plan and how perhaps MGI results could contribute to informing and shaping your approach and your thinking when it comes to that migration development dynamics? Thank you, moderator. It is interesting that Nepal still have a young population. Every year, 500,000 Nepali youth come to labor market. But the national capacity of observed less than 100,000. So 400,000 Nepali youth need to seek their employment abroad. And not only for the labor market, every year 100,000 plus Nepali student also go overseas for higher studies. And this statistics is out of India because India and Nepal have a special border relations. So many people can go to India and Indian people can come to Nepal. So Nepal's population is a young population are serving globally. More than 140 countries Nepali youth are working in unskilled, skilled, or high-skilled job. So migration is one of the great contributor of Nepal's socioeconomic area, socioeconomic field. The remittances, scores, it's equivalent to 25% of national GDP. That means migration is one of the important pillar of Nepali's economy. And the running 15th plan and coming 16th plan, focus for safe migration, sending youth with skills and occupational safety with language also, and providing other services, safer migration. And Nepal also learns the reintegration. After completing two years, three years as a labor market serving in other country, people come back home and they start their own business or they start working in home country. So this entire cycle involves Nepal's economic development. Even during COVID, Nepal's economy is not that much down because the people who are working abroad send money for their families for living and treatment and all the things. So countries graduating in 2026 from LDC to middle income country. And for this, economic vulnerability and human asset is completely dependent on the remittance of the people, families. So for the 16th plan, we are introducing more schemes for the skills, especially for the dropout childrens who drop school in middle education. And for other people who wants to go other country, specialized training, skills, language, and these are the activities and involving with the regional and global migration forum to advocacy these things and making agreement, bilateral agreement, to the country where Nepali people are going to work and providing them social security in their country also. So these are the activities going on. Yeah, wonderful. And thank you. It's really great to hear also the regional dynamics that I would like to dig deeper into a little bit. But just now moving on, Madam Ambassador, as you can imagine, in one of the latest MGI reports for Mauritius, climate change came out as one of the top priorities for the country. Obviously, as a small island-developing state, Mauritius is at the forefront of some of these challenges stemming from climate change, especially as they relate to migration. So could you just tell us a little bit more about how you are addressing some of these challenges and the interaction between migration policy and climate change? Thank you very much, moderator. This is to a man. I don't know why. Thanks, moderator. And thank you all for taking time to be here. You know, before the MGI 2018, which was the first of Mauritius, Mauritius had done something else. We had in 2017 what we call the third national communication on environment and on climate change. And that third communication actually already spoke about migration and climate change, a whole section on that. Because we're already witnessing a number of things that are happening in the area.  So it's going to happen. You don't wait for people to tell you what's going to happen. What did we do? We started working with the IUM quite a lot, in fact. And then there were the broader things and the smaller things. The broader things, all of us do. The climate change Act 2020, the master plan 2022, the decision by government to accelerate the reduction of its emissions by 2030 by 40%, as though we were going to change the world. But still, we wanted to do it sort of thing, you know? And then the smaller things, which to me are important, because I think in all that we do, as you said, migration is about people. It's the people that you want to save. So on the smaller things, I want to pick up a couple of projects and share with you. Alternative livelihoods. We went down to the fishermen in a very small village in Mauritius called Rivière des Gallies, where you have the small stones, the galley sort of thing. And there, because the fishermen would have had to move from that region. The focus was not on finding alternative livelihoods for the fishermen, but for their spouses. Because we thought the fishermen were not going to be wanting to move so much. So it was very interesting that the bank got together with the government and funded some of the women. And they started producing something, a green outcome, a green output, which was using palm leaves of Mauritius and Rachmanus, there are plenty of palm leaves in Mauritius, making plates, disposable plates for the palm leaves. Then we had a second situation in Oreg Island. And Oreg Island is a dependency of Mauritius. There again, the fishermen didn't really want to be reconverted. So we created a marine park and we got the fishermen in the southeast Oreg Island to do that. What helped was this mapping between IOM and Mauritius, our vulnerable spaces and then, you know, vulnerable communities so that you could match them together at that one to make it work. Then, of course, there was some other interesting things. In Catoceau, again, a very small village on the east coast, we created its frequent flooding. Frequent flooding. So we created what we call a sanctuary. Using alternative construction methods, it's the first of its kind in the Indian Ocean. So it gives sanctuary to 1,000 people from frequent flooding and it is there. So we want to use it as an example to do it again in the region. Hopefully IOM can help us take this to the other islands in the Indian Ocean that you don't look at enough sufficiently. So you look at us, please, on this one. We can replicate that model as well. There have been other things as well and two interesting things I want to share with you is because people who are always surprised is working with IAEA and working with Sadek. With Sadek, it was a vulnerable assessment of agriculture, making crop projections where you go, disaster risk reduction. With IAEA, it is getting my vegetables to become more resistant to heat and climate change. People don't even imagine IAEA is doing this. They're doing this in many countries, but you need to share all the time so they know they can go to IAEA and do. And then of course, in the budget in 2019-20, we decided we were going to pay for relocating people where landslides had taken place. So you have that. In the meanwhile, coastal works, you know, 20 kilometers, priority areas, all that's been done. But government is very much hands-on because you're so small and you can only displace people in this amount of area sort of thing. Thank you. Wonderful thing. And these are absolutely extraordinary examples. So really, thank you for bringing those up. And I think that the point on understanding the vulnerable communities more holistically where it comes to women and spouses and other perhaps members of the community that are not on the forefront of many people's thoughts is really important. And I'll definitely would like to sort of follow up on that and dig a little deeper in that. But turning to you, Ms. Campbell, when we are thinking about the sort of regular pathways, obviously the U.S. has been playing a key role in the discussion and discussing the sort of creating opportunities for people to move through these regular pathways. In your view, how can MGI and these approaches be helpful in terms of helping you, helping the governments to really think about creating opportunities for people to move around in a safe and orderly and regular manner? Thank you. At this stage, one of the MGI's greatest strengths is its regional coverage. So for example, in Central and South America, we have near complete geographic coverage. Cities in this region have also undertaken local MGI assessments in really large numbers. The same is true in Western, Eastern and Southern Africa. So this means that the MGI provides comprehensive coverage of regions with both significant internal migration and high potential for the development or expansion of intra-regional mobility. So strengthening regular pathways to all possible destination countries is of course very important to explore, but increasing intra-regional pathways will likely allow for the greatest impact on migration management with the best outcomes for migrants. So after participating in the MGI, many countries have undertaken further work with IOM, to increase their migration governance capacity. And this underscores IOM's position as a mutual trusted partner. They're well situated to act as a convener on migration dialogues, and to evaluate regional migration management trends, and identify key areas of mutual interest that if addressed, might have the greatest impact on expanding these regular pathways. It would be interesting to see the MGI organize an assessment of existing and potential regular pathway opportunities within different regions. Based on the publicly available MGI report data, for example, which groups of countries present the most strategic and efficient opportunities from a logistical migration governance perspective. Countries might also opt in to collaborate with IOM on policy or other capacity changes identified by the MGI that will directly impact specific or new existing pathways. Wonderful, thank you. And that's a fantastic suggestion. We'll definitely take that on board. And I think that element of intra-regional migration and the requirements for bringing stakeholders together in that one dialogue is really, really important. And Mr. Boteiro, you mentioned that obviously within the new policy, it required a lot of work at which stakeholders, of course, different levels. So I know that local governments in Brazil have been given a sort of key role to play and play the key role in this process. Could you tell us a little bit more about that process and that engagement and how you and your government work with local authorities and the stakeholders on local level to really ensure that policies reflect the needs of people on the ground and are also implemented on the ground? Well, I think this is now our biggest challenge. Of course, that migrants and refugees, they enter any country through their borders if it is from land or air, but they don't stay in the place that they naturally get inside the country. So what the federal government is responsible for migration in a macro comprehensive way defining rules for visas, entry and stay, naturalization, protection of refugees. Local governments, on the other hand, they are responsible, at least they are supposed to be responsible. As of course, they are much closer to the population than we are for directly helping and integrating the population and communities. The demands that individuals have in relation to public authorities, they first arrive in the cities, in the municipalities. And that was quite a challenge, trying to bring the cities together with the federal government. And the way that we managed to do that, it's quite recent. We launched that in November now, it's called the Network of Welcoming Cities. It's a national network of welcoming cities. It's an initiative that reaffirms the national guideline to decentralize democratic and participatory governance in the implementation of this new national policy. The main objectives here are to support the development of institutional capacities for local integration of the migrant refugees and stateless person, as well to expand the institutionalization of municipal policy for migrants. By establishing these spaces in the local areas, we tend to expand the dialogue and put the cities in the leading role by sharing with them technical support, sharing with them resources, and making them the priority decision maker of how to manage the migration that, as I said in the beginning, cross the border, but by the end of the day, we'll stay in a city, we'll stay in a state. So this is our, as I said, our biggest challenge, but calling the cities more closer to the federal government was the way that we planned to do this new policy. That's a wonderful example, and I think that the idea that, yes, this is the challenge for a lot of countries, a lot of regions, how to cooperate across different levels and stakeholders, but the idea of putting regional authorities at the very center is really exciting, and I love the name of the National Network of Welcoming Cities, so definitely something for us to think about. Mr. Bandari, you mentioned the role of Nepal in terms of the regional migration, and also actually the MGI in 2019 found that Nepal played a very active role in regional labor migration processes, and in terms of advocating and protecting the migrant workers. Could you please elaborate a little bit, tell us a little bit more about that role and that you have played, and the role to really strengthen and continue to strengthen the plans for regional dialogue and coordination, particularly on labor migration and regular pathways. Thank you. Nepal is a active member of regional dialogue. Processes are Abu Dhabi dialogue. Bali process on people smuggling, trafficking in person and related transnational crimes, and Colombo process. These three regional dialogue are there in Nepal actively participating, all three forums. Nepal is a founding member of this forum, and Nepal was a chair from 2017 to 2021 on Colombo process. During that time, Kathmandu declaration was made. Participation of the 12 labor sending countries of that region. The safe, regular and managed migration was the motto of the theme of the Kathmandu declaration where we prescribe, ensuring regular pathways for migrant workers, sustained joint effort towards no recruitment costs to migrant workers, strengthen grievances mechanism, and remove any obstacles that may inhibit migrant worker access to justice by using technologies, maximizing partnership with the countries of destination and other stakeholders, promote migrant worker and their families access to social protection throughout the migration process, and joint effort to provide gender responsive and evidence-based information for migrant worker at all stages. So these are the main topic of the Kathmandu declaration and we are working on that. And for streamlining these things in the national plan, Nepal actively working with the recruiting agency, skill agency, other related stakeholder, including civil society and NGO. So how we make safer migration, and how people came back home after completion of their contract. So in this process, Nepal, so next week we have the meeting of the Kolombo process committee group. I possibly joined there in Kolombo. So Nepal and other country, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, even India is doing excellent, providing excellent human resources in global labor market. So the people of our continent has right to receive the facility social protection healthcare because they provide service in the destination country and pay the tax. So the social protection is also one of the issue presently we are discussing with the recipient country. And streamlining these things, Nepal actively involved in the domestic process of making, finalizing migrant labor policy and the process of drafting of national migration policy. I myself a disaster replace from the Himalayan region 55 years ago, I from the disaster replace from the landslide in the Himalayan region. So many people who are migrating, not only for the job, but the climate change is one of the reason that people migrate from one area to another area. The last census shows that between two census, five million people have internal migration. So we have to take care of this from the villages to city center, city center to provincial headquarter and the national headquarter capital. So engaging them. Any people who wants to go abroad for work or studies, we have to manage them by whatever means available in country and what is the capacity of country we are trying to manage these things. And that's a really interesting and I guess encouraging example of that sort of balancing between that sort of regional cooperation and also really incorporating or aligning it with the internal policies and politics. So I'm sure challenges remain, but really, really encouraging. So hopefully we can use that as a positive example. So IOM is technically supporting the Ministry of Labor Employment for this process, drafting national migration policy, finalizing labor migration policy and other activities in all process. IOM is there. And putting that to those sort of social services and security at the center of that is really, really great to see. And so Madam Ambassador, sticking to that question of labor migration and you mentioned a couple of examples where the sort of alternative employment was obviously at the center of attention. And we know that from the MGI's as well that Mauritius has been among the leaders in terms of that sort of gender sensitive migration policies. And I know you touched upon that in your first response and I'm sure there are many challenges, but could you just share your view in your experience how Mauritius is addressing these issues and perhaps if there are gaps remaining in the legal road are the challenges that you are facing? Let's look at the room. The majority of women. Gender is always a difficult one. I have a few brothers from Gabo and Gambia and I think Thailand, but not very many of them. You know, one of the things that statistics Mauritius does every year is an annual survey. And this is on employment and earnings of migrant workers. And that is desegregated by migratory status and by gender. So this is one thing that informs policymaking and decision making. So that is one concrete thing we do. But by far and large, you know, in US-born country your attention is divided in 50,000 things. The focus there is more on how do we protect best migrants as a whole, knowing well that in that chain the women migrants are the more vulnerable one. So if you go back and look at the employment rights at Mauritius, you see some interesting things. An employer is not allowed to do away with his agreement. He cannot terminate an agreement on the basis of race, color, et cetera. But also on sex, on gender, on pregnancy, on marital status, and on family responsibilities. There are not very many pieces of legislation around in the world that specifies all of this. And guess who handles most of the family responsibilities or pregnancy for that matter? So I think it is inherent in the right act itself that you can't be doing all of that. Then maybe I should add this. You know, IOM sends a lot of people outside to represent them. And I think it's an extremely important post. More than a decade ago, Mauritius started something called the ethical recruitment process. And this was thanks to a lady who was representing the IOM at that time, I was foreign secretary. She, Lalini, we are some who I believe my sister Daniel knows well. She was very influential with the government to say you're getting a lot of workers coming in from China, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka. You need to have an ethical recruitment process. People just cannot employ people anywhere. And she actually succeeded. So now you have all these standards which have been set. And then she was good because she knew the region well. She understood the region well. She actually got pursued at government that she needed to do more. And they have regular inspection. They created standards, like accommodation standards for unskilled workers. And you have inspectors that go and check these standards. And especially women. You know, when they go, again, the women, how they're, when you get unskilled women workers, it's really wanting exploitation if you're not careful. So you really have to have the legal framework that gives them the protection that they want. But there were two more things. One was social security benefits. So any foreign worker in Mauritius gets the same as a national worker, gets the same free health care treatment, et cetera. But also they contribute and their money is kept. And when they leave, they get the money back, their contribution with interest. And then there was a solution that when they leave, they will also suppose they pass away in between. So the next thing can get it. So in a way, again, women are very often protected either by being a worker, himself or herself, or again, by being the person who is receiving at the other end of this. And then one thing that we don't talk about is domestic violence and violence. So the domestic violence act in Mauritius again protects everybody. So not only the people in the country, but this as well. And in 2019, I read this from a government established an adult migrant shelter for people who had been victims of trafficking. And for children who were victims of trafficking, there was the Child Development Unit, but also drop-in centers in the capital city in Paul, we et cetera. So because Mauritius government has this culture of tripartism, working with all other stakeholders, they supported a lot of the faith organizations and other NGOs also supporting women migrants. So I think all in all, while we didn't have a direct policy aimed at migrants, I think the open approach made it possible for women to be well protected in the area. Thank you. That's fascinating to hear. And as you highlighted, it's a sort of holistic approach. So not necessarily just focusing on gender but realizing what it means, whether it comes to legal protection, social security, and all the elements that are disproportionately affecting women. So that's really great to hear that this sort of holistic approach actually can work. Although I'm sure it's not easy to sort of achieve and develop, but it can be effective and that's what we want to see. So I think just in the interest of time, we have covered a huge number of issues and topics. None of them are easy. So we talked about the employment, social services, the importance of creation of regional and regular pathways, regional cooperation, intra-regional, but also local and putting local stakeholders at the very center of decision making and also the sort of impact of climate change and what challenges and that creates specifically. So just want to thank you, everyone, thank the panel. And just wanted to see if there are any immediate questions or any comments from the audience. I believe that someone from Honduras had a comment on question, please. Gracias. Procederé a realizar mi intervención en español. No sé si hay algún problema con ello. Espero que no. Bueno, nosotros agradecemos la invitación a este evento. Honduras con mucho gusto queremos intervenir para destacar nuestra experiencia en el uso de los indicadores de gobernanza migratoria para diseñar nuestra política migratoria nacional. Sin duda, el proceso de elaboración de esta política ha sido un largo proceso, asistido afortunadamente por el equipo técnico de OIM en Honduras. Asimismo, la elaboración de esta política ha implicado una serie de consultas a nivel local y nacional para conocer los obstáculos que se enfrentan día a día las distintas autoridades gubernamentales y debemos reconocer que esta herramienta ha sido una importante guía para conducir los distintos diálogos. Honduras enfrenta ahora una serie de desafíos de carácter estructural, pero que también han sido reforzadas por situaciones como la pandemia del COVID y otros desastres ambientales, así como también la violencia y la criminalidad organizada que persiste en nuestra región. Y en este contexto, algo que ha sido fundamental es el compromiso de nuestro gobierno con la protección de los derechos humanos de las personas migrantes. Así, con el apoyo de OIM, se elaboró la política migratoria humanista que implica ordenar, coordinar y articular los mandatos institucionales nacionales y cuyo proceso inició en 2019, pero que atendiendo al compromiso de nuestro gobierno, su diseño avanzaba un paso muy rápido, teniendo ahora un documento que prioriza una serie de ejes transversales como la participación popular, la dequidad, los derechos humanos, el desarrollo territorial, la interculturalidad y consideraciones ambientales y ejes de acción, como la gestión integrada de las fronteras, el fortalecimiento de capacidades para identificar y atender a las personas víctimas de trata y tráfico. Y la protección de las personas en movilidad humana que se encuentran en situación de vulnerabilidad como los niños, niñas y adolescentes y las personas desplazadas por razones de violencia que en nuestro país son muchísimas. El carácter integral de esta política, sin duda, no sería posible sin la participación activa de autoridades nacionales y locales y la asistencia de OIM de otros actores, como lo hemos dicho anteriormente, y quisiéramos destacar el papel y la importancia que se ha tenido al respecto. Y creemos que todavía hay mucho por avanzar y que sin duda se requiere de mayor cooperación internacional en aspectos tales como el reforzamiento del rol de las alcaldías o autoridades municipales para que se incluyan a las comunidades y personas migrantes en tránsito en los planes de desarrollo municipales en línea con una de las experiencias descritas por este panel, por una de las personas panelistas. Y pues finalizamos diciendo que confiamos en que seguiremos contando con el apoyo de la OIM Honduras en la implementación de esta política, que es una siguiente etapa. Y agradecemos enormemente a los panelistas el día de hoy por compartir su experiencia en este día. Muchas gracias. Wonderful, thank you so much. That's really encouraging, really exciting to hear and also bringing in those various elements of environmental challenges and crimes and how this sort of holistic approach to migration really, really plays a critical role. So thank you so much for sharing that. Any other questions or comments from the forum? Yes, sorry, I can't see, but is there a comment, please? Just go ahead. Yes, I'm from Vietnam. We are interested in MGI, yes, and we think that it's very important to evaluate migration governance and also to measure the implementation of the global complex for migration. And right now, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Vietnam is discussing with our mission in Vietnam to conduct this. So I hope that in the time to come, we will use the toolkit to evaluate our current migration governance policies and we think that because to implement this, it requires inter-agency cooperation. So that's why in the next two weeks, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Vietnam will organize a annual review conference on the implementation of the global compact migration and we will discuss the MGI toolkit. So we will seek support from other agencies and ministries concerned so that we will submit our official request to IOM and also of course to our mission in Vietnam. And thank you for hosting this site event because it really served our interest. And I hope that we will receive some support from IOM and also countries concerned, especially those who are already using it. So we can learn from that. And it also to help to evaluate our current plan on GCM implementation. And also, I take this opportunity to extend my sincere thanks to the Bureau of Population, Jeffries and migration who is strong supporter for us within the framework of Asia Migration Program. I thank you. Wonderful, thank you. Thank you so much. And it's really exciting to hear and that's really, really encouraging that there is this interest and that there is ongoing work that's really, really important, really great to hear. And I'm sure I'll let IOM speak to that, but I'm sure there's a lot of potential there. So really thank you so much for sharing that. I think that in the interest of time we're coming to a close. So from my side, I just want to thank everyone again and I'll just hand over to DDG Daniels for closing remarks. Thank you so much. Thank you very much, Maxus. And thank you everyone for participating. I have to start off with thanking our distinguished panelists from Nepal, from the US, from Brazil and from Mauritius. Not just for participating, but for really sharing the diverse perspective and, would I say, the way MGI has been used in their particular context. I'm not going to even attempt to summarize it and Matusiu had done a lot of that. I really like the idea, Elizabeth, of the using the existing MGI assessments to look at, well, the data from the assessments to look at good entry points for labor pathways. And I'm actually a bit bummed I didn't think of it myself, but certainly we'd be very keen to do that. A particular thank you to the delegate from Vietnam. That was a great question and exactly what we hoped that this side event would stimulate amongst member states. While you were asking the question, I was having a small mini-council here with my colleagues and certainly we can use MGI to evaluate the implementation of policies. We've done this in Cambodia. We're currently in discussion with Thailand. And then with regard to GCM plan of implementation, we have examples from Indonesia. So everything that I guess was on your, that you requested, we certainly have the capacity and experience to do. And then finally, in terms of peer-to-peer networks between member states, we don't have this in Asia. We do have it in the Americas, but we can certainly look into it for the Asia Pacific region. And then for my closing words, I really hope that all of you who've had the real opportunity to listen to what our panelists have shared and thinking about its application in your own context. I hope the diversity of what you've heard can help that. Certainly as IOM, we stand more than ready and available to support member states in the diverse application of MGI. And going back to the title that it's about people, yes, the focus is on policies, but it's on policies that work for people, and it's also on a process that involves people and involves a diverse range of stakeholders who all have a stake in the implementation of a policy or the outcomes of a policy. So we really hope you keep that in mind as you consider how to use MGI in your particular context, to work for the people in your context, whether it's migrants in your country, whether it's your migrants in other countries. Certainly we've heard about the regional perspective and cooperation that MGI has supported. So once again, thank you to our panelists and thank you to all of you for IOM. It's such an honor to be your partner and collaborator in making sure that migration works for everyone. Thank you.