Our guest this weekend is our own Dr. Joe Salerno and we are talking about monetary policy and gold on the heels of yet another GOP presidential Primary debate and it appears it not even ran Paul is going to be able to generate much interest in the Fed or in monetary policy Generally in the 2016 cycle now Ted Cruz has for his part at least eluded faintly to the idea of a gold standard For which he was promptly savaged by the media both left and right for even bringing it up But as Joe and I discuss a gold standard is hardly something it needs to be imposed on anyone It's something that can develop in the marketplace on its own and it can develop alongside competing currencies in other words Gold could be used as money in America alongside the US dollar We also talk about how the feds interest rate targeting and really the entirety of its open market operations only serve to obscure what's really going on with the most important metric which is the money supply and Finally, we talk about how to sell like Ron Paul did so successfully some form of anti-fed Populism to the general public so stay tuned for a great interview with Dr. Joe Salerno Dr. Joe Salerno welcome back once again to meet this weekend's last night We had yet another GOP primary debate and not much talk of the Fed or monetary policy Although I do notice that Ted Cruz has at least eluded to a gold standard in some of his public statements And of course he's been savaged for it Let me give you sort of a representative criticism This is from the New York Times a few months back And I'm quoting them tying the dollar to an arbitrary quantity of shiny metal Binds policymakers hands robbing them of their discretion to act the central bank can't adjust the money supply To counteract crises or prevent them So give us your thoughts on this kind of criticism which we hear so often with respect to the gold standard, right? They're very fearful of gold. There's a gold of oral phobia, which is the Greek word for fear of gold Out there and they the left exploits that In fact, well their premise the implicit premise of what you just read is that the money supply Should be manipulated by the political authorities In response to developments in the economy when in fact Money grew up as part of the economy and adjusts as any other good does like apples Automobiles McDonald's hamburgers the production supply and value are determined by the market and the same thing is true of money And should be true of money and also gold is it's good that gold is a golden handcuff I mean that is that it binds politicians whose propensity is always to increase spending and to do so in a way That does not raise taxes and that means printing money, right? Well the criticisms of gold of course aren't just on the left they come from the right as well But respond to this general Criticism that because the supply of gold can't just be increased it will that this suppresses Economic growth overall. Yeah, well the whole point is that if we step back just for a moment and look at economic growth Economic growth in history under the gold standard has occurred Via the the increase in the value of money that is a fall in prices now that doesn't bring about Deflate deflation does not bring about depression and unemployment. In fact Even mainstream economists today Realized that there's something called a good deflation and that's where you have technological improvement Increases in investments and capital goods that raise productivity of workers and therefore lower costs So prices fall step. Well, you know hand-in-hand with a fall in cost through competition And this is exactly what happened in the periods period of the greatest growth in US history from around 1879 through 1896 we had a fall of prices from two to three percent and one of the most Rapid increases in GDP growth in American history, you know Joe Rothbard makes the very important point that unlike other Commodities an increase in the amount of money in the economy doesn't confer any social benefit We don't have any new goods or services as a result. Why do you think this point is not discussed or under better understood? Well, because they're always thinking that that money is is really exogenous to the economy. It's not part of the economy It's a measuring rod and so measuring rod should be stabilized So prices fall we should increase the money supply so that we have a stable standard of value, okay? And that's of course false money's like any other good its value is determined by supply and demand It doesn't stand outside the market economy even fiat money has its value determined in the market economy Even though the government monopolizes supply or the central bank monopolizes supply Individuals demands interact with that supply to determine the value or which is the inverse of the price level We always hear this fear that Austrians in particular would want to impose some kind of gold standard on the economy when in fact We would just like to see gold operate as one kind of money available in Society and gold has evolved over millennia as a popular form of money. It doesn't need to be imposed on anybody right exactly it took you as you said millennia for for the human beings to hit upon something that is the Means of it or let's say medium of exchange that is least bad I mean gold is not perfect, but gold does combine those qualities in Good that you want for a medium of exchange Durability and so on you know the whole list. So gold When we say restoring the gold standard, we just mean restoring market money Restoring the power of the market to determine the value the quantity and even the composition of money We don't necessarily believe a gold standard is going to always be the money I mean we would be willing to I mean if the market chose silver that would be fine or some other commodity But why couldn't we have a world as Ron Paul suggested where we truly have competing currencies where governments continue to issue fiat currency Which is used where some sort of a gold-backed currency is used perhaps were a cyber currency like Bitcoin is used And just let the marketplace decide now. I agree with that. I think that's the first step back to a sound money We have to see what the market chooses what individuals choose and individual businesses and households decide to hold and use an exchange So yes, let's allow full competition Get rid of all taxes capital gains taxes sales taxes excites taxes on golden silver and Allow them to compete on an equal footing with not only the US dollar But but other foreign fiat currency, but let's have open competition now in 2012 Ron Paul managed to have success in making monetary policy a populist issue It seems that neither Rand Paul nor Bernie Sanders have had as much Success in bringing monetary policy into public debate if you were advising a presidential candidate How would you tell him to talk to the public about monetary policy? I would suggest that they point out that monetary policy is now being made by Unaccountable bureaucrats bureaucrats whose appropriations are not whose budgets are not determined by congressional appropriations Who have no oversight so I think the first step and it's a step that right and left can unite on is Is to reestablish constitutional money in the sense that Congress now oversees the Fed? I think the end of so-called independence of the Fed be taken away and that it be folded into the Treasury And then that's the first step back In a populist program back toward a gold standard. You would still have fiat money But now the Fed would not as part of the Treasury the money would simply be printed up to pay for Expenditures of government. There would not be this arcane process of money creation that goes through open market Operations goes through the credit markets and actually distorts interest rates This would the the if Congress controlled money, then there would be no distortion of interest rates They simply print up money when you know, we had deficit This was an old plan put forward by Milton Friedman and I I don't think it's it's The end goal and be all but it's only the very first step back in a populist program So it's not that you advocate some form of neo-greenbacker position per se But rather you see some incremental benefit to bringing transparency to money creation from this kind of system in the Treasury Yes increment. Yes, but Joe as you know not all the criticisms of gold and its role in the economy come from the left We also have people on the right and and libertarians who talk about things like NGDP targeting Which is currently in vogue, you know, what do you think is behind this? Do you think? Libertarians and some on the right view this as an incremental step or do you think they they really believe that? Inflation targeting or GDP targeting is the answer. Well, no, I don't I think it's more wonkish I think that the libertarian economists or the Austrian some Austrian economists so-called who support these sorts of Nonal GDP targets They are victim as much as as as the rest of the population to the very pervasive and effective Propaganda of the Fed that it should be independent. So given that we have fiat money So they're they're saying, okay, we have fiat money now the best That we can do is is to have the Fed Target some some, you know follow some rule Target GDP or what a nominal GDP or whatever it is whereas my view would be no the the first step is to is to get rid of the Independence of the Fed make the politicians who are directly Elected make them the ones that bear responsibility if we have inflation and I think they're you Moving in that direction. You'll it'll be an easier path back to the gold standard Since the crash the last crash of 2008 We've really been in an unprecedented time for monetary policy and people of the Fed will even freely admit this What do you think will be the ultimate harm of this quadrupling of the Fed's balance sheet in a period of just seven or eight years? Well, it depends if the economy picks up And and interest rates begin to rise interest rates on the market begin to rise Above what with the Fed's paying on excess on riskless excess reserves Then you'll have those reserves lent out now the interest the the money supply is increasing at six seven percent per year It's it's increasing substantially It's increased from eight to ten percent for a few years there after the financial crisis And now it's settled between six to eight percent per year since 2010 or so So that's a I mean some of that money some of the reserves are being transformed into money via fractional reserve banking And the problem is if indeed we have a Movement upward in the economy that the banks will then begin to loan out more of those reserves and and the rate of increase in the money Supply will be will be greater and then the Fed will have to begin to unwind its position has will have to reduce its balance sheet And it's going to have to sell some of the mortgage-backed securities Which still aren't very good and that may cause a market Plunge Joe do you think Janet Yellen is a true believer someone who always thinks that there's another round of QE Or interest rate lowering or do you think she understands on some level that there are limits to what the Fed can Yeah, I think Yellen is somewhat of a true believer. She's worried, but yet if you read her Which her statement after the last Fed meeting basically she believes in a very Crude type of Phillips curve I mean she doesn't think that the increase in the money supply is what causes inflation if you follow her reasoning and that In that press conference what she basically says is look the the labor market is strengthening But it's not isn't strong enough yet to to bring about inflation the inflation that we want 2% per year So she's got sort of a cost-pushed view of inflation that your lower interest rates You stimulate business investment you could get more workers hired and that puts an upward pressure on wages And then we get the inflation that we desire at 2% She doesn't see any sort of connection or at least student-state one between the increase in the money supply and and and an increase in prices directly so they've really Regressed in the last few years That is Fed officials and McRoy Conn is back towards the Phillips curve notion and I find that very troubling Well on a limited scale. We have a model in Japan. You might call it a cautionary tale They have been suppressing interest rates for decades and they've seen no real economic growth at all How do mainstream economists explain Japan would they simply say well US is different because we're the world's reserve currency Well, they'll be like Paul Krugman and say well, there's not enough of it Interest rates have to be lower. We have to have more QE and we have to have and of course they had big deficits which the u.s More or less talked them into and none of that has worked But but they would say well, it's just not enough. We don't have enough of the Keynesian medicine Injected into the victim not the patient the victim because eventually You know Japan is is going to go back into into sort of a I mean it's never really come out of It's it's great recession Joe about a month ago The financial press was just mesbrized by Janet Yellen's announcement that the Fed Would target a quarter percentage point increase in the Fed funds rate, you know, it all seems so complicated There seems like there's so much obfuscation. How should we? As lay people think about all this talk about the Fed funds rate. How does it affect us? Okay, it's not okay It it can be traded between banks, but it's not only created between banks I mean the banks can loan those those reserves out and they do loan the reserves out Okay, right now they're they're they're holding a great proportion of them Look the Fed funds market in which banks trade reserves between one another is a bogus market It's created by the Fed. What do they trade in a trading something that's really non-scarce That can be created by one stroke of a keyboard in cyberspace and they trade that between one another so in my view These boosts in in the interest rate that just one took just a card and four that is supposed to card in 2016 And that yesterday larry summers said, oh, I don't think we can stand Four increases of a quarter point each That it's bogus what what what's really important is look the effect on the money supply Okay, the Fed funds rate the movements in the Fed funds rate have no effect on the economy In fact, there's only 300 transactions per day in the Fed funds market totaling about Um, 50 50 billion dollars in one day $740 billion worth of bonds are traded in real markets. That's where the interest rate is set The Fed funds market has no effect on setting the interest rate or on inflation. Okay The open market operations that inject those reserves are only effective to the extent that those reserves are lent out And for various reasons including paying Um interest rates paying an interest rate for excess reserves. That is the Fed doing that That those reserves are being Um stopped from going getting injected into the market and multiplying Into an increase in the money supply. So so we're focusing on the wrong thing is my point But to go back to the Fed's balance sheet. I mean it is unimaginable under any kind of let's say gold standard system That the Fed would be able to quadruple its balance sheet over a period of about seven or eight years Do you think people really understand how unprecedented this is and what kind of environment the Fed is trying to operate in? It's completely unprecedented. Absolutely Under the gold standard we all the base money all the gold in the that has been Mind is still in existence except except for the that has been used in industrial uses or been lost at sea So the production of gold not only given years a very small proportion Of of the so-called monetary base. So inflation if there is any is extremely moderate and usually There is no inflation because the amount of goods and services in a Dynamic capitalist economy is increasing at a greater rate than the influx of of new gold Joe one last question for you today Apart from lay people in the general public do you think economists? Really understand how unprecedented our situation is and how dangerous What we fear could be an unraveling of the u.s. Dollar really is for the american economy No, I I don't think so and I think it's being obscured And it's being obscured through some of the language that is used And and the focus on on the fed funds rate rather than on the money supply This whole this this focus of you know raising the rates Okay, well look if there's no change in the money supply that has no effect on anything Raising the fed funds rate or lowering the fed funds rate It's the reserves that actually are lent out by banks that then bring about an increase in the money supply and potential inflation And at the same time of course distort interest rates because when the banks lend the money out The only way they can get additional borrowings is by lowering the real market interest rates And then that gives entrepreneurs the incorrect signals and then they begin to over invest in so-called capital goods And then we get a distortion in the real economy that needs to be liquidated later on via recession Well, I don't think we're going to get this kind of technical discussion In the remainder of the 2016 GOP presidential debates. Joe Salino. Thanks so much for your time ladies and gentlemen. Have a great weekend


I'm watching that guy, and I'm I'm not sure he's not the most Valuable player in this league. I thought that got the Warriors and Steph out of their game to me This is running much deeper than magic should have called me before he knows bigger now Chris bruce-ard here and welcome to the brand new hoops on Fox podcast This podcast will give you your daily dose of all things NBA from Fox Sports including the best content from Skip and Shannon Nick right plus special guests fresh NBA content from myself Post game interviews from NBA stars around the league and much much more up first Chris bruce-ard joined Skip and Shannon to break down the Warriors chances of finishing off the Rockets with Steph Curry struggling How much is Steph to blame for the loss? Well, look he obviously played horribly They were lost in overtime. So you figure if we get any type of decent performance out of Steph We win we all know though it obviously doesn't always work that way. And so while he played terribly I Don't put that much of the blame on him. And I know the last-minute donkey miss I got facts notice I have facts look Clay was six for 16 16 points. All right, the Rockets were out rebounded by 20 gave up 17 offensive rebounds offensive rebounds And Steph as bad as he was and none of this is to take away from how badly played his and I know skip You're in the plus minus his plus minus was negative one, which was better than KD's and clays So again, he was bad, but he was he wasn't really good in the first two games Right. He averaged 19 points a game 26% shooting from three below 40% shooting overall and they still won to me watching that game particularly in the second half.  He was you know And Steph is greatest shooter as he is. I think he's the best ever He's not a spot-up shooter. He can catch and shoot obviously, right, but he's used to moving coming off the dribble, right? And you relegate like Houston does that with the switching that's happened last year in the series But KD and it's not really KD's when he's at his best either I think he's better in the warrior system occasionally going ISO. That's LeBron's game That's the difference between LeBron and KD KD's can pass pretty well dribble But he's not LeBron in terms of running an offense and I thought that got the Warriors and Steph out of their game And they need to be careful not play that way Look when KD is there the last three years when he goes for 40 or more points They're six and seven Steph miss six of those games So when Steph plays they're four and three when KD goes for 40 or more Steph averages 21 points 41% shooting in those games So they need to do the Warriors need to be careful to stick to their Offense in their game plan and even though Houston switching everything Continue to run their offense be patient and keep the players and ball moving and I know KD's playing great There's nothing against him. He's playing phenomenally But it's so it's easy it's tempting to just let him do his thing, but that's not the Warriors game That's not when they're at their best. The thing is it even if I were to concede But I believe he played a goofball game and a lot of this needs to be placed at his feet It was that he played bad late. That's what we remember. We remember the miss layup We remember the miss dunk. We remember the turnover that was that was as a result of an offensive foul We missed we we remember the two miss jumpers It was in the crunch when we could have forgotten about how well he had played up until that point Because you remember skippy hit that big three the other night. We said that was the first time we've seen Steph hitting meaningful shot in the playoff game We could he should have been fouled out. He's right And that's the situation had he maybe got the made that layup cut the game to a three-point game Now we'll file and we'll see if you can make your free throws down the stretch. He gagged it off He's not playing well Steph Curry shooting 35% from the floor 25% from the three and he missed two of his three free throws out of the night He had a all-time goofball game has he played playoff games in which he shot the ball worse and what he shot Saturday? Absolutely, but I believe from a mental standpoint. This was the worst game We've seen step play and for an all-time great player. You can't have those type of performances. Hmm. This is a new expression from you a goofball game I agree with what you said though. I don't Steph Curry lost that game more than James Harden won that game and The player who did the best job of stopping Kevin Durant in the end was Steph Curry And can we just officially once and for all acknowledge that Kevin Durant is the best player on this planet? Can we please? There's somebody up in Toronto that you don't want to acknowledge Wait, you mean the guy who in the fourth quarter of game three scored no baskets The guy who yesterday missed four free throws the guy who hit that big three over in meat and Simmons That's the guy Sell me virtuoso performance and I shot big holes all Because here's what happened to me Kevin Durant was crazy nuclear on fire for the first Half of the fourth quarter he scored 12 points in the first 555 of the fourth quarter.  Here's the point Kevin Durant dunked with 605 left in regulation That was the last shot he took until 19 seconds remained and to me that I'm going second or third level Subliminal psychological here. It felt to me like Steph was saying, you know what? This is really my team. I'm a two-time MVP. I know you're a two-time finals MVP but I'm gonna reassert myself here and it it took Steph Stopping Kevin Durant because usually when somebody's hot in Golden State, they just feed that guy right again You didn't make a deep basketball X and O's point Maybe they should have let Steph bring it up or clay bring it up or Iggy bring it up And let Kevin run off picks to get more open because now he's just having to create by himself at seven feet Right on on two guys like I'm he started missing some to know but but he didn't take a shot from again from 605 all the way down to 19 seconds left. He didn't take a shot in the fourth quarter That's just wrong to score that many that fast and then to your point He didn't miss the shot But by then he'd cool completely off and it looked like do you guys really want me to try this? And he's got two guys on him and he went to his right And he's not that good going to his right and tried to pull up and it looked awkward and he missed the jump shot Are the best player on the planet allowed to cool off because I know a guy that was for the last decade was the best player And if he did anything out of your ordinary You know what I'm talking about, Chris, you know what I'm talking about, okay But go ahead. This man dared in the opening block to throw at me that LeBron James made the right Play to pass to Cal Corver as if this was the wrong play to pass to Andre Igadala when he was wide open in the corner with What 45 seconds left that he did Iggy make the three? Yes, he did because you're saying KD made the right play But LeBron made the wrong yes. Yes, it was because you're throwing it to a guy whose clutch He was a former finals MVP Corver's a much better. It's not even comparable. Who's the better three-point shooter? You know that so in the last two finals I'm glad you brought that up Andre Igadala was eight for 21 from three in their last two finals Is that good and Cal Corver was six for 27 including last year one for 11 in the finals one for 11 So you can give me all the regular season you want to but with the money on the table I'll take Andre Igadala shooting a three every time over Cal Corver every time Huh, you can't you can't put the whole series in Cal Corver's hands in the corner of a game three in your house Right, that's that's your house you finish it go to the free throw line But he's a 60% corner three ball shooter in the regular season if he misses that shot skip Are you saying KD made the right play? No, but he he did miss On my side you got a miss on your side, but you said he had it going I got a finals MVP on my side You got Cal Corver on your side next Colin Coward dissects quiet Leonard's sensational playoff run Do not confuse talent with valuable Do not even confuse production with valuable Now in most instances If you're talented you're valuable and if you're productive you're valuable, but not all the time a Lamborghini If it was a person would be very very talented But I couldn't even get my kids in the car grocery bags, you know, if it was a tight little Porsche Lamborghini don't confuse the two Kauai Leonard's talented and he's productive Everybody's talking about him this morning being the second best player in the NBA to Kevin Durant He's not that valuable Toronto was 17 and five when he didn't play He doesn't communicate. He doesn't pass. He doesn't elevate others LeBron James leaves a franchise and they disintegrate the next day Pat Riley, Eric Spolstra, Miami awful great awful Twice in Cleveland finals finals. Oh, we're awful LeBron gets hurt with the Lakers at the end of the year.  Toronto made the playoffs last year. Toronto was the number one C last year Toronto last year in the regular season was 58 and 24 And then kauai came and they were 59 and 23 And 17 and five when he didn't play this year. He's just talented He reminds me of the running back Adrian Peterson.  They're both strong for their size They're both awe-inspiring and Neither makes their team necessarily much better Viking's got better when Adrian Peterson left And by the way San Antonio, they're in the playoffs again It should be noted both have one flaw. Adrian Peterson could never catch Kauai Leonard doesn't pass The guy in these playoffs that's actually talented productive and valuable Is the guy for Denver the Joker Jokic?  I think I've ever seen in the second round He leads them in everything. He leads them in points rebounds assists They give him the ball late top of the key down low He has three times the assists of kauai Leonard and double almost the rebounds They're both very good players in points and field goal percentage Joker elevates every Denver nugget Denver should has no business being in the playoffs with this roster It's a bunch of guys Is Denver historically relevant? This is this is a bunch of kids They're just they're gonna be great if they can get one more player. Denver's gonna be good for 10 years. They're all kids Toronto's good always with kauai without kauai people are confusing this I don't think kauai is a wildly valuable player because I think he's the nba silent assassin He comes to your job. Nobody really knows him. He doesn't talk with anybody He hits his targets. He leaves and frankly would rather work alone and does his best work alone The assassin is simply that Working by himself in san Antonio. They used to be this criticism about him. They asked greg popovich once What was the best advice you could give kauai Leonard? Do you remember what he said popovich said that when I call a play for kauai I'm actually calling a play for the spurs Kauai doesn't communicate. Of course. He's not a great passer Because passing is communicating on the floor. It's playing well with others. He doesn't he just arrives hits his targets works alone leaves the building Anybody really know kauai. No, he never talked The silent assassin never talks either it's against his job description better serve working alone I'm not denying kauai is great Toronto was great without him. They'll be fine with him. They didn't win a title without him But they were good. They won't win an ash. They won't win the championship without him. But they're good And the kid in denver is he doesn't he doesn't have an mba body. We don't know much about him He didn't play college basketball here So we just in denver is not a historically relevant. It's a football city You could argue it's a hockey city and a baseball city third But that guy if you don't if you take him out of denver portlands Winning these games blowouts four for four in the series is over. He may take this bunch of kids to the western conference finals He's an incredible talent And i'll say this about about adrian peterson Adrian peterson may have been a just a better Harder runner than ezekiel elliot of the cowboys But zeke when he leaves the cowboys for a three game stretch They can't get first downs the vikings were better without adrian peterson because zeke can catch Zeke can run zeke can block Adrian peterson left the vikings. They got better Zeke takes two weeks off the team can't function with the best offensive line in football the cowboys can't function without zeke Don't confuse talent and valuable a zekeiel elliot is both peterson was just talented And that's what i think about koai lenner the kid in denver is an unbelievable talent And he makes everybody on the nuggets better Let me shift to this philadelphia philadelphia fans are like all fans when they're right. They rushed to twitter when they're wrong. It's crickets So joel lm bead has wild swings. He's great. He's awful. He's amazing. He's hurt. He's healthy He's not and whenever he's great philadelphia meatballs run to their twitter accounts Told you man face of the franchise. Of course, they didn't run to the thing yesterday because he was awful But here's my takeaway on joel m bead If you're somebody at work and we've all worked with somebody like this that has a temper That has outbursts Little bit of a screamer and a yeller That's his reputation because he's shown it before now He can be funny like alec baldwin But alec baldwin in an airport even when he's smiling and handsome and funny and glib with tmz You know, he's this close to popping same with christian bale That's their reality Even in the times they're not yelling and strangling a tmz reporter at the airport joel m beads reality good or bad game is He didn't play for two years because he was hurt And he needs six treatments a game because he's always hurt And he's got a bad diet and he's always hurt. Did I mention he's always hurt and he missed 14 in the last 24 games? Did I mention he gets hurt a lot? He's a liability to the franchise I don't care that he played terrible yesterday Just like I don't care that he played great the previous game Yesterday wasn't even his worst game in the series. He is a high maintenance noisy guy I don't care what his games are. I don't rush to twitter for validation when he's bad I could have spent all day yesterday On ambide crushing him on twitter. I didn't I talked about joek itch and nobody cares m beads reality like the guy with a temper At work is Doesn't mean he always has a temper doesn't mean he's always yelling at cameramen Doesn't mean he's always picking fights with his bosses But we all know it's right below the surface and so you walk on eggshells around him It doesn't matter that ambide was terrible yesterday or great the game before If you build your franchise around him, this is what you get He's calling his coach in the morning. I may not play. He's hurt. He's sick. They want him to lose weight He needs a nutritionist.  I don't get a lot of noise and social media and talking and calling his coach at 3 in the morning Don't rush to twitter every time he drops 32 and looks great and I'll promise you I won't rush to twitter when he's as awful as he was yesterday and that wasn't even his worst game in this series m bead Is a fragile inconsistent wildly popular big man Even during his great stretches six treatments per day to get on the floor ivy at 6 in the morning 63 percent of games in Philly. He's missed an incredibly likeable social star But folks bad back bad diet Not always a great teammate You can keep rushing to twitter to confirm it. You want to build around that guy? You got choices in philadelphia I'm gonna take the quiet guy I'm gonna take the guy who's one of the greatest passing young players ben Simmons. I've ever seen He's not refined. He's not a polished product. He's not as good as m bead now But I don't get all the inconsistency. I don't get and by the way m bead and Simmons can't play together So you're gonna have to choose one at some point But it's just this constant up down noise back diet hurts. It's too much Just because by the way, here was the headline before this series before the sixers raptor series Here's the guy that everybody loves. Here's the guy that's missed 63 percent of games Here's the guy that didn't play for his first two years. Here was the headline m bead wants to play more but knee tendonitis will last all playoffs That's that's what that's what it's gonna be for the next eight years So Whether the guy whether alec baldwin attacks the tmz guy at the airport We all know it's in him because he's done it a bunch Just because he's not doing it now doesn't mean alec wouldn't do it. It's who he is. He's got a temper He pops I mean, we know who m bead is. Why are we arguing about it? Now former mba point gardenate robinson sits with collin coward to discuss the 2019 mba playoffs and his chances at playing football I have a unique fascination with nate robinson not because he played in the mba for 11 years Is or is the only person to win a three slam dunk contest or that at five nine Uh, he won those slam dunk contests. No, I grew up as a washington husky fan Come on out nate robinson and nate robinson started as a freshman at cornerback for the football team From mount rainier high His dad is who I grew up idolizing jock robinson a great running back for washington You started in football. I didn't care about husky basketball The only team i've ever passionately loved was husky football and you were on your way as an all-american freshman corner to being Deon that liked to tackle and then you bailed on football and broke my heart. How do you respond to that? Well, first of all, I'm sorry. I I broke your heart. Thank you You can blame that um my school who fired cultureic new heizel. That's and then you went to hoops Yes, that's the that's the real reason why I stopped playing because they fired my coach and I went to rainer beach High school. Oh my bad the best high school in the country. So yes, by the way, it's a great high school It's got great sports Your mom dad jock robinson. So it's interesting people may not realize I grew up with Nate robinson the football player and you were badass You were a great you were gonna be a you were a freshman all-american played in the sunball And then you left football and we were all like Nobody cares about husky basketball. I haven't made robins. He was our best player as a freshman basketball on the map Yeah, so let's I'm gonna talk about you disagree with me on koai and I said before Don't confuse steve gnash won the mvp and everybody said come on steve gnash and I always said It's not that he gives you 22. It's that you know how many guys he got paid in this league He got he got joe johnson a contract. He was spoon feeding everybody. Yeah, I mean he just paid everybody koai Is great But he doesn't pass they were 17 and five this year Nate without him San Antonio's a playoff team aren't there guys you've played with who are great But are they making you better? I mean honestly Michael Jordan didn't pass the ball that much He passed it to the rim more than he did to his teammates and he's the greatest player on the world But I I one person. I love koai. Why his game is just I mean he's involved He's not just a defensive guy That's and that's how he started in the league as being a defensive guy now He's showing that he's added his offense and he's he looks unstoppable What a guys around the league he he doesn't talk much. He's quiet. Like how does that land with players? I mean he shows up to work every day. That should that's the only thing that matters That's the only thing that should matter. He comes to work every day. He brings his a game He comes in and he he he shows that he can he's he's a winner. Yeah, he's a champion MVP finals MVP. I mean come on man. He reminds me a little bit of a guy. Do you remember alex english? Yeah, denver nuggets.  He played for denver didn't now.  He had that he his game looked like koai alex english appeared to never sweat alex english showed up gave you 27 I don't think he and chill and chill and just watch the rest of the game Yeah, I mean he just came in gave you 27 left didn't talk no flash koai's got that component Um, you know, I when you I want to talk about the sixers So they're unbelievably talented But they got four guys and I think all four guys Nate want a max But mb tell scares me Ben can't shoot to bias it in the max guy and I love jimmy butler the athlete But a lot of people say he can be tough on young players If I told you you got to keep two And I want everything considered I struggle keeping mb because big guys get hurt early It scares me. Uh, well one i'ma keep Ben Simmons.  He's like, uh, he's like he's kind of like a magic johnson Magic didn't shoot early exactly. He had to learn how to do it And I'm not saying magic johnson had the best jump shot in the world We all know that you know, he didn't have the best jump shot But he got everybody involved, which that's what Ben Simmons does and he does a great job at Yeah, I like now again Ben's interesting because You know mbeds this big popular personality, but Simmons is a unique player I don't think Simmons and mb'd work because when mb'd's in the lane And mb'd you don't want mb'd going outside because anything she's a shooter and he's gotten better But he's not a shooter so mb'd's in the lane. Well, he bids in the lane So is the guy guarding him therefore ben only scores at the rim So ben just stands around in the half court game. They're oil and water. They don't work together I mean, they just they just they still have to learn how to work together. They they still have time The they're showing that right now by being taking The raptors And I think it's gonna go seven games. I mean they I think they play well together It's just that mb'd has to do a better job of Of one preparing himself for games Eating better taking care of his body everybody in the league's talking about that I mean, it's just something I I know I've been I've been a part of the league I've ate horrible food before I've played and I just didn't feel like I'm supposed to so you just have to he has to change his diet You did. Yeah facts you did. Yeah, you were you were a Taco Bell driving to the arena guy. No, no fast food But I would eat like it could be lasagna chicken nuggets, whatever It just didn't matter. I just wanted to eat sometime before the game and I would just eat whatever So I had to change the way I ate over the over time because I can feel it It takes a total in your body over time. Yes, Nate Robbins and joining us 11 years in the NBA Explain this to me. So Kevin Durant is I think he wants to be known in the goat conversation and I think he's great I mean, he is a goat. He's great. Yeah Um, he's on the best team maybe ever He'll take less money to go to new york He'll go from a really well run smart owned team to the nicks are kind of a mess And the understanding is hey, he wants to be the man and my takeaway is Man be very careful about leaving money on the table and a great boss for a bad boss Would you leave If you would potentially have your third mvp in the finals. I don't really get it The only the only way I leave for me if I'm Kevin right if I'm if I'm playing for the sonics So if the sonics wanted me to come back to see out to play in Seattle That's the only that's the only town my home down only place I'm going But don't you think the quality of ownership matters take me to your career you played for Celtics bulls nicks What was the best Time of your career the happiest you were winning. What was the best two three year stretch? For me When I was in chicago, I couldn't even lie when I was in chicago I I honestly had an opportunity to showcase that I can play basketball and I wasn't just a dunker um Just that whole stand of me playing An under top timido playing with callas boozer rib. Hamilton jimmy butler luau dang Joe kim Noah Taj Gibson like all my guys it was just it was magical every time I put on that jersey I just felt like I was unstoppable like I was kind of like michael jordan, you know in the sense of having that energy So, uh, that was my I think that was my you know my my best year of playing because I actually got a chance to play Of all the nba teams The only one that shocks me is denver because historically you can't win with kids in this league Not in the playoffs, right the the playoffs are for grown-ups 28 year old dudes men And that's the way the leagues work since I was a kid denver's a bunch of kids And the joker joe kitch and he didn't play college here And he's got a bad body and I'm watching that guy and I'm I'm not sure he's not the most Valuable player in this league. What is denver without him? It's a bunch of kids He's the best passing big man. Nate. I've seen since our vita's a bonus.  It's not about building around him.  He's like the he's like the big man westbrook He's gonna be averaging the triple double one of these seasons. You guys heard it here He's gonna average triple double next year. Well, he got nine and a half assists on a young basketball team So you would think is his team grows Some of those miss jumpers become assists because he's gonna give you 23 12 and a half rebounds. That's just what he's gonna give you I think he's the best player in the league because denver's in that rocky mountain time zone You're they're not left coast. They're not right coast. They're not midwest Denver's just kind of a football city stuck in the mountains. The guy is we don't watch a lot of denver nuggets We don't talk about him. I think he's an incredible player. I love his game. I love his game I love watching him play. I said when uh wasn't channel was on the team I remember went to my FaceTime wasn't channeling and I'm like, bro, where's the joker at bro? Like show bro. I told him you're filthy keep balling. Yeah, like like you have it So whatever that is, you know stick to it So I'm watching the shop this weekend and lebron james is talking about magic quit the team and didn't give Lebron a heads up and you could tell lebron wasn't real happy with it Was he supposed to well, I think I would call my best player and tell him If I felt I lured you you were a very If you lived in Seattle, you feel like yeah, okay, go ahead and I and I lure you to la you're in your hometown Akron for Lebron Seattle for you. I lure you here with promises And I'm gonna resign. I think I'd give you a call. Nate breaks my heart I I can't I can't run this team magic just quit lebron sitting there in the shop like Could you could you I mean it happens man?   It happens. You got to move forward now. It's time for lebron You got to go get ready for your your this next season coming up figure out what pieces you're going to add And come in and be ready to ball. Do you think it turns off free agents though that look at the Lakers as a mess You played for a dysfunctional franchise for five years in new york You guys didn't land the top free agents not because of Nate Robinson people didn't trust james dolin Yeah, that was that that was a big one for us and not being able to get, you know, a certain guy But I think that we had enough we just you know, we just needed a solid coach to really guide us to help us, uh, you know When games and get to the postseason And we didn't we didn't have that you think free agents look at the Lakers now and want to play there Who doesn't want to play in LA?  There's no reason like there's no reason to leave Okay, see when you have you know, why would I leave if I was kawai? Why would I leave? Toronto's a wonderful town I like toronto, but I mean who knows he might not leave he might stay We don't know do you think do you think they land any of these top guys? I hope so, but do you really believe it? I hope so.  I like the rest of these guys, but I definitely LeBron wants a star you can't win in this league without a second star Yeah, he just had to figure out what star he wants to go get and I think him and kawai would be nasty That'll be that'll be tough And I don't think people want to see that like they ain't ready for that Following chris broussard Jason McIntyre knocked down the NBA's biggest question. Should katie leave the Warriors back here again Another special NBA playoff edition in the zone knocked down j chris broussard in the building dressed up for the occasion. Thank you chris Glad to be here. Gotta get the barb started early. All right. Let's get started chris First topic the best player in the NBA right now. Kevin Durant All right, he didn't stop me. He's on board kevin durant. He might be we'll see he's playing great He might be chris broussard. I will start it with this Should kevin durant stay in golden state assuming they win the title Or should he go should he leave for? Allegedly greener pastures in new york with the nicks or perhaps brooklyn or the la clippers Should he stay or should he go? I've said in the past that I think kd should stay one more year You're going into the new arena You go for four straight rings which michael jordan magic johnson Shaq kobe none of these guys you're compared to has done that since bill russell He's the only one ever do it And that could you know separate you from a lebron james and some of these other guys you're compared to Not necessarily make you better But certainly give you something you've done that they never did three in a row would give him that over lebron but As I watch this team play over time I've changed my mind. I think they are too mentally taxed to win four in a row I think they're mentally taxed now. I think their their eye is on the destination and not the journey It's just like man. Let's win this thing.  There's a reason Team no team since bill russell have won four straight Have had no team has even gone to four straight Other than or five straight like these warriors since bill russell and because it becomes so taxing Even michael jordan is mentally tough as he was He stopped after each three p kobe and Shaq added carl malone and Well, they didn't win it, but they they they didn't win after their three in a row. They got tired. It's it's tough So I I think they would still be the most talented team in the league But I think they'd be mentally taxed and wouldn't win four straight So I only I would I wouldn't even pick them if they went it this year kevin durant returns I would not pick them to win it next year. Wow I'm not saying they weren't wouldn't be capable of doing it But I just think it would be so mentally draining that they wouldn't do it Secondly and I'll be quick on this point Even though kd would have won four straight Guess who else would have won four straight? Steph and it still would probably be viewed as stef curry's team Steph might be the finals MVP of the last two for all we know if they won four straight So it's not just like he built this team and they won four straight He still went to a team that was ready made And we went for I have more to say but I'll let you give you a point Yeah, I I can't get on board with any of that chris. Uh, I get I mean the taxing part You're right in the regular season. They look taxed They don't look taxed in the ports post season. There's a two to the clippers You needed that wake-up call. I think they got it, right? They blew the fourth quarter lead and then blew I guess game five. They should have won that Since that I mean they were lights out in games one or two against the Rockets I didn't see a mentally taxed team. I saw a team that had their eyes on the prize and they closed both fourth quarters They didn't appear mentally taxed in that but I get what you're saying It's tough to win. Well, they're ready now now. It's playoff time It's like and you you're facing a legit threat not the clippers So they're all zoned in and they would be zoned in next year in the finals But I'm just saying that I just think it'd be such You already saw problems this year to go back to the bill Russell days I'm over there 15 teams in the lead then something the travel was nothing that it is now the post season I was looking at the numbers. These warriors Last what four years in the finals have played basically a full another season So you're right. The taxing is there physically and mentally is absurd and for kevin durant to leave going from here You go clay. Steph. There's a lob to draymond To go into new york frank nilikina. Good luck with that jumper kevin knocks. Can you not travel? Well, I would never I would never recommend going to new york by yourself But if you go with kairi Irving Now you have a chance to really do something. Does kairi want to play well? No, there has Well, there look I I would never tell kevin durant go to new york by himself Even if they were like had a really good supporting cast I just think he's not built for it by himself Okay, but i'm assuming if you go with kairi Irving or if you go to the clippers Or if you go to brooklyn with someone else My point is this kevin durant Is beginning people are now talking about uh, can he catch lebron? Yes Uh, can he even be in the discussion with a jordan? The only way you get in there I was on the herd today and he said is durant top 10 Every single player that we would put in the top 10 even if it differs with a few players Whether you don't have a keem. Somebody else has a keem. Somebody has dunk and somebody has kobe oscar Whatever every take a oscar robertson every other player Has led their own team to the championship and kevin durant that is in astros We are in this cancer in this cancer on my radio show the eye couple yesterday I asked he was a former teammate of kds. I said look we know kd is great Arguably the best player in the world top 10 all-time all that Due to players we've heard the media No, let me finish. Let me fit. We've heard media say it We've heard former superstars like wall frazier say there's a mental asterisk there. I said players Do players feel that way? He said I've talked with players Most players do feel like he has to go do his own thing There will always be he will never be lebron james or certainly not michael jordan If your legacy is you went to join a 73 win team that won a championship without you and won titles You were great team that did not win. They won 73 games cares about the regular. They were in the finals The bucks won 60 games this year whoop the damn do oh you comparing this bucks team to that warriors The warriors lost. They needed kevin durant. There's a reason they got it a player. There's not a look kevin We need kevin is great Hold on they went to recruit the white howard a couple years earlier when they were still a good team Needed he has been durant. They didn't need him. He's a great player. They didn't need him twice So was andrean with dala. So was james worthy. Does that mean he was better than magic? So is cedric maxwell. Does that mean he was better than bird in that series? Fine. It's a team game It doesn't mean Who's team are the warriors? Who's team are the warriors? I don't know the answer to that question Please the best please. Who's team are the warriors kevin durant? Nobody denies that They did not need him They didn't win against lebron and kairi largely because draemon got suspended. They didn't win. Let's keep it. I agree They did not need this as great as kevin durant is and and look i'm not denying. He's arguably the best player in the world He's arguably top 10 all time Arguably top 10 all time They did not need him and and and whether okay, you disagree finals to kairi Okay, that's a fact. You know what all right. They flew out there to recruit kevin durant another fact Who wouldn't come there another fact they went to titles facts and he was dvp twice Look all facts busard. Look, they did not need him. You know it. I know it.  Yeah on a player Oh really well play will not give two that's who determines history players media fans That's who determines history the prism of right now 10 years from now.  I just mentioned it. Nobody says larry bird had eight game eight points in the finals I just heard someone mention it on tv the other day I'm telling you right now kevin durant wins three finals in a row three finals mvps Okay, he passes kobe brian on the all-time greatness list. That's a fact. No, no, no, no, no, no, we ain't next topic We are not next topic. There is no way if kevin durant wants to be in the conversation with michael jordan If he wants to pass lebron james, he has got to go somewhere. No, let's let me finish Let me finish He's got to go somewhere else and lead a team to a championship Don't you dare as great as stop it as great as kevin durant is Don't you dare put his name in the same sentence with michael jordan? I have not uttered that man's name with michael jordan unless he leaves his own team Yeah, okay. Time out everybody. Chris Lebron is now setting it So let me know the teams that kevin durant can go to and win a championship sacramento Go there k.d. Win a title and then we'll respect you Now this is what you this is what you resort to but that's what it sounds like stay in the ballpark What should he do go to the wizards take john wall to a time have i ever mentioned the kings or the wizards There's a small list of teams fine. Let's hear and kairi urving should go to the nicks I don't think kairi wants to play with him. I don't think kady wants to go there Then either go to the clippers or stay it would go see and now we're telling someone what to do with their career Let's stop because you are gonna go on tv and have let's not have let's not have knock down j If we're gonna bring life issues in but no, we're not of course kevin durant can do whatever the heck he wants and we and i would bless him So, okay. Let me my blessing. Are you gonna respect him if he stays and going to stay stop Let me i can't talk if you're gonna be interrupting every thought Let's not bring a guy's family decisions a guy's personal feelings into it because of course kevin durant can go wherever he wants of course and i'm not gonna Fall team for doing what he wants to do what's going to make him happy personally We are talking about basketball wise don't bring anything else into it if kairi ever wants to leave Brooklyn and go to freaking Orlando if that's what makes him happy fine. I will judge it from a basketball standpoint So don't bring in what kevin durant wants to do to make him happy of course do what makes him happy From a basketball standpoint from a basketball standpoint legacy standpoint There are people playing in the league now Listen people that didn't play in the league or playing in the league now former stars that will never give him his full credit I think he's phenomenal, but they will not give him his full 100% credit He deserves until he leads his are you one of those people There will always be i'll give him credit But he can't like I just said he can't be in the conversation with michael jordan unless he goes somewhere else Let's not go. He's only 31 years old We didn't start the lebron jordan stuff until he was 32 33 lebron jordan stuff started in freaking cleveland I didn't start that. I that's other people weren't on tv at that time That's other people on tv pushing nonsense when he's in cleveland at 25 years old people started reading no no People he was nobody said he had reached him because he had one championship But people started talking about lebron jays as a potential heir Or challenger to michael jordan when he was first in cleveland for me. That's silly and dense Nobody said he had reached him but they were saying that's the potential nobody's ever even thought Kevin durant had the potential to be a michael jordan from my perspective and i'll move on after this Kevin durant if he does this and tries this idea to go to a nix of clippers and he fails It is worse to go and fail than to stay and succeed in golden state My opinion is you stay you in fourth fail in golden state. You're not going to that team is too good I mean maybe an injury might not win the fourth straight. Who's beating them? I don't think I mean We don't know if the rockets are gonna stay together. He's gonna be better boston if kairi stays will be right there A lot of ifs. Yeah, there's no ifs for staying in golden state There's ifs can nobody's ever won fourth straight. That's why you do it I think it'd be great. I just don't think they do it. I don't think they went for so we figured out We'd get heated right out of the gate Finally chris russard is back with skipping shame to explain what magic leaving the lakers meant to lebron All right chris russard still with us, uh, chris. Are you surprised by lebron's reaction? I'm not surprised at all because I think it's the normal natural Human reaction. Yeah, you know that anybody would have and I agree with lebron's sentiments Look magic did it wrong. There's no ifs ands or buts about it The two people he definitely should have told were genie bus And lebron and if he has some beef with genie some falling out temporarily that led to this Then okay, I get it. You don't tell her you should have told lebron though. Absolutely And now he and rob polinka from what I'm told are talking regularly. So it If he didn't have a falling out magic no magic or magic in Yeah, like so I don't If he he should have told all of them but certainly lebron because I don't know if I characterize it as a friendship But lebron jays and magic have had a special relationship Based on their super stardom based on all the comparisons over the years when lebron lost his first finals In well in miami against dallas. He texts magic that summer like man. I'm trying to get over the hump Let's talk, you know So even though they didn't really you know know each other and obviously weren't working together that much at that point And then just their interest off the floor the business interests and things like that So they've had this special relationship. That's why magic got the meeting by himself You know because on july 1st because of that relationship So lebron is totally right to feel the way he does And you know, like I said, I think magic just totally did it the wrong way And I think this is different. I've heard some people say This well lebron when he left cleveland, he didn't tell anybody when he left miami to go back to cleveland He didn't tell anybody the difference is that Lebron was a free agent We knew a move was coming and even even players like the wane wade or in cleveland or moe williams They understand free agency to give a guy his space Let him make a decision. It might be based on family money, whatever This came out of the blue. Yes, obviously no one knew this was coming. So yeah, I think lebron Was totally justified in his feelings. I also will give him some credit Because as you guys know and skip you've even said you you kind of feel sorry for lebron at this point It would be like the think about three months ago All the criticism was on lebron for the lakers falling apart not making the playoffs the toxic environment and all that Now since what's happened since then? It's like lebron nobody's looking at lebron right now. They're looking at magic genie the front the rambus You know family and all that it would have been easy for lebron in that in that shop show to just Play the vic like man. I ain't signed up for this You know, I know how important it is to have a great front office and you know pat riley in miami And that's why we want like he didn't play that excuse card So I'll give him some credit for that because it's right there for the taken if he wanted To me this is running much deeper than magic should have called me before he made his big announcement To me lebron is concluding That magic had completely turned on him because the money line here the flash point of all these quotes is That lebron is saying magic didn't even call him to say hey bron kiss my ass. I'm out of here Right. Yeah, so so he's saying that he turned on him that for whatever reason He just cut ties with him because he was disappointed somehow in lebron's overall performance last year The way he you know his bad body language The he didn't handle the kids correctly that he tried to strong arm the organization pull off the anthony davis Trade for for all those reasons. He didn't close a lot of the early games He disappointed magic to the point that magic just said I'm not calling him before I make the announcement And I'm not calling him the day after or two days after because he could have let the smoke clear and then clear the air with lebron 24 48 hours later Did he call him no because lebron wouldn't have uttered these quotes if they had cleared the air by the end That was filmed april 11th. They said was that what it was? Yeah But you think that would have made a difference like if it would have made a difference in that talk maybe But if magic had done what he did and then called lebron the next day or two I still don't know if it would have made it clear the air to say hey I'm not blaming you for any of this because Again lebron is leaping to the conclusion. He is getting blamed by magic.  Why you show up there? You knew he knew walking into the arena He was gonna quit. He knew before you got there. So he was gonna quit.  You could just but but he told tmz a couple days later when he was in beverly Yes, he said I still talked to gene every day. But what he talks to lebron every day noob I don't know that they've talked. I don't know for a fact. I haven't talked But yes, I mean again that was filmed a few weeks ago I don't know that they've talked and lebron's like hold on. Wait a minute Now you're gonna come to my driveway sitting my driveway for an hour or two before free agency starts Then you spend three hours in my drive in my home and we're talking about how we're gonna get the lakers back to the showtime Lakers and we're gonna be joined at the hip and we're gonna do this thing together And you're gonna bounce and you can't even give me the common card and say, well, you know bron check this out For due to some circumstances beyond my control. I'm gonna step away. You can't give me that But you're gonna come up in my house. Don't worry about it Now I got something for you. This bridge is burned to the ground Well, I I think look from talking to people close to lebron I do think they've done their best to move on because we know lebron came here for many other reasons And magic let's look lebron is a very smart guy He knows magic wasn't pounding the pavement, you know working every the foes doing everything Why you take a job when you know what comes along with the job? Look, I can't your magic job Right that you're the ambassador. You're the figurehead for the friend Still you but you don't think he again. I'm not saying lebron was I'm sure he I'm sure he was pissed off initially And I I just don't know if he's that mad at this one I think what he should be more angry about is what they've done since then Because it gave them an opportunity when magic stepped down to go ahead and really change that front office And now you're not doing that. How can I be mad man? If I sign up I go to a fast food restaurant and they say I'm on fries. I'm a fried cook I'm gonna be mad. I gotta mad. I got it. That's all I do is cook fries all day long.  No, I agree. He recruits. He feels magic. What'd he say? I recruited lebron james like I'm good That's why you magic is capitalizing on I brought lebron here he wants that to be the legacy of his presidency Yeah, but you know not all these really questionable moves Because you brought lebron though you owed him that look I think lebron wanted to come to the lakers anyway But I do think magic he probably would have came anyway. I'm almost certain But magic gave the lakers front office at least some more Assemblance of credibility. Yes, then it had had over the previous four or five years That made him at put it lebron. I got it So I do feel sorry for lebron because he's stuck in a sitcom of a snake pit. That's what this feels like to me But he's also publicly acknowledging that magic turned on him. Am I right? That's that's what he's saying At least he could have called me. He believed he didn't have to use that for you're right He didn't have to put it in a negative way. He could have put it in You didn't call lebron. Hey man. I'm out of here. You're right. He didn't have to put I don't know if that means what you're saying.  Don't forget to subscribe and leave a five star review letting us know what you think of the show


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So we know what's what let's do the random and see who's got which box before We start ripping them Good luck with randomized names and numbers same amount of time put them next to each other to see who's got what nine Nine on both six and three one two three four five six seven eight and nine Greg T down to Gregory M And box number nine times one two three four five six seven eight and nine Three down to nine Greg T three Steven a five Brian T eight Tom K ten April L 11 Clyde with the number one Felix two James H 12 Chris S seven James H six Matthew M for Gregory M nine Let me get those posts. I'll get you a link. I'll call out who's boxes. Who's as we're opening it Here comes a link to you. Once again. Thank you guys very much for filling this up. We did have to push you back from earlier today It's tough Phil. So let's make it worth the wait Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you one box one There's like that it went up Number one is for Clyde Clyde also, those will be super easy Someone could do the all those breaks there. They're on themselves tomorrow Box one. Should we just like do the fancy thing here? box one Got a red wave Damon Kemp That is a non numbered Ruby wave. I'm guessing silver are truth in 12 packs per two autos numbered cards other non numbered parallels as well See some good stuff. I think we got the auto here first auto Looks like a sensational signature silver cruise del Toro silver it almost blue wave Gunther Gunther blue wave. That's also not numbered with the purple of Zoe Stark That's 77 of 149 Zoe Stark macho man. They'll have like cards and stuff. Yeah orange prism Look at this rookie Channing stacks Lorenzo 39 of 99 with the blue prism. What is all this color here? I get red after that. It looks like blue prism of Andre Chase The blue prism is to 199 of Andre Chase And a red prism of Isla Dawn 271 of 299 it's like a Outfit match right there the color Andre the giant anybody want to anybody want to do Hyper is Amari Miller silver the godfather Roman Reigns Oh, it's a redemption that could be big that could be big triple age throwback signatures prism blue Pretty big pretty big congrats Clyde box one Had a banger in it Triple H. That's sick Kofi Kingston silver That will be awesome What a start what a start Mr. T on the ruby wave Blue prism of Montez Ford a lot of color in these that these are these are good. These are good so far To 199 Montez Ford and a red to 299 Damon Kemp silver prismatic entrances carry on across Stuff seems to have been a little bit worth the wait, huh? hyper Elton Prince purple Rip Fowler 98 of 149 brawn breaker. Well, I'll see you one of one cactus jack. Come on Ruby wave Battista silver Amari Miller Heaven Nash Three packs left hyper Ray or Ripley Silver Sheamus. Oh, by the way guys knock not gonna be able to recap this one That's why I triple a worth more than triple triple H. I don't think so Alexa Alexa bliss on their ruby wave Blue Amari Miller numbered 80 of one 99. I guess it depends on what level of triple triple a you have You'll have the highest level triple a it's a little expensive, right?  It's a good box red MVP to 299 It's a lot of numbered cards. I feel like you get you get banged for your buck and prism WWE for certain All right box one congrats Clyde on the triple H moving on to number two for Felix good luck Felix Yeah, I feel like here we go. Oh, that's not bad one of the year is nothing J you so Ruby wave Blue boa to 1.99 blue meanie Dude, what I didn't even know about blue meanie until like kind of recently Never super interesting when I was younger What a name What a name Lucius Fox in chat hyper Elton Prince red Randy Orton 299 Jay stole one got red wave Roxanne Perez silver Elias Yonka Belair I don't know if there's an actual case here. I think it's like other prisons with their s where there's like short prints Look at this teal Jimmy Uso. That's very nice to 49 and a blue undertaker to 1.99 Ruby wave Cameron Grimes. We've got silver Sanga. All right. There's the first auto I believe so. Oh, no way No way flashback design stone cold Steve Austin What a hit for Felix This stuff is good Holy cow clean signature to all on the sticker as well. That's nice. That's nice flashback design Hell yeah That's right.  Yeah, it's Alina Vega silver That's just the first auto too. It's not sick, dude I'm like I'm considering like buying a box now. There'll be wave awesome theory Silver Andre the giant Yeah, Greg. That'll be worth something for sure The trip with the triple H and that for sure Shelton Benjamin on the mojo auto to 25. Okay, Felix Can't spell Felix without flex. He's flexing on us right now Uh, silver Shotzi base right now Backs left a little quicker through some of these guys carrying cross blue wave and the waves are non numbered red president of 299 do drop Kyle didn't know how to say do drop last night There's like duo drop Dow Yeah, dude, what's up with that guy hyper Ray Ripley Silver Giovanni Vinci Vinci Yeah, Sam Artino should have cards in this. He was in last year's prism and he was in like other products as well He should be in this Ruby wave MVP with the purple prism of Maya Yim or Mia Yim to 149 Jake, who's your favorite wrestler? Randy Savage Piper Elton Prince blue prism of Tamina Blue to 199 and there you go, Felix Box three greg tea appreciate you greg Good luck Let's keep the heat going good autos in the first couple boxes Haven't seen any like really really like big low numbered prisms yet though. So maybe we'll see one of those here Maybe greg let's see if let's let's see if you can get it. See if you call your shot hyper shana basilar Purple cruise del Toro To 150 Sorry 55 of 149. I was way off Prismatic interest is silver. Mr. Perfect. Kurt Henning Ruby wave Brock Lesnar. Lesnar color is always good Red Umberto It's 299 Yeah, they should have those guys too greg. Yep hyper ricochet Silver bronze stroman Ruby wave of albafire Silver scarlet So it seems like most of the box the autos are like fifth six or seventh pack in some somewhere like that Blue wave Damian priest Hey, Clyde. Yeah, man. That'll be that'll be such a cool. Um, um triple h when you get it I don't know what blues number two up top of my head. I don't have the checkers in front of me either purple is baron Corbin To 149 come on box three. Where's the heat? Where's the heat umberto ruby wave with a blue prism of walking wilds to 199 Is razor Ramon Silver mark coffee Making us wait on the autos here Come on Oh, that one kind of just That is a red auto sensational signature is Malik blade. It's a 99. I believe yep to 99 Malik blades silver is ivy nile Booker t. That's right. That's my guy right there Ruby wave dakota kai Red prism Malik blade That one's to 299 of the base red Non auto red I should say orange Boa orange boa That one is 23 of 99 with the blue prism of kevin nash To 199. All right last couple got an auto in here somewhere hyper mico sauda mora silver jd um mcdonough Last one It is a nice a rocks and parez champion signatures red That's a solid hit for sure number 25 of 99 silver daemon kemp Dusty roads All right, that's pretty big right there There you go. Congrats. Greg last pack saves you Matthew m with number four right here Is she that's why that's kind of what I've been what I've been hearing Clyde Some of the wrestling fans around the shop number four Matthew m hypersonia de vil Silver Ludwig geyser 21 year old russer. What? Ruby wave is kaden carter red rob van dam. Yeah 299 I can do that easy Jake can do that. I see him stretching like that before work every day Did you right now for you guys actually? No, no No Madcap moss ruby wave So 1am no way Madcap moss ruby wave got silver johnny gargano. Yeah, dude. The rvd was cool It's a cool photo dude rob van dam is awesome It's like the auto here nice Kane legendary signatures red. That's kind of like a theme color match Very nice cane for Matthew m 52 of 99 Unmasked cane silver rocks and pares Good stuff. Good stuff. We still need to see like a really low numbered like Something it could be an auto. It could be just like a prism. I just want to see something super low numbered rookie hyper top dollar red Salt salt root ruka To 299 rookie. I salt salt. So ruka. So ruka Yeah, wwe's good stuff. It's good. It's great value like it's incredible value on this stuff Hyper aliyah purple fin baller. That's a pretty nice one to 149 ruby wave cora jade With a silver akira tizawa are doing good. Just pull the red cane auto over there Pull the stone cold throwback silver Kill blue triple h redemption. It's good stuff, man. This is fun. Oh, yeah Hey Cameron grimes that's number to 25 on the mojo sensational sigs This mojo's are so clean. There you go. Matthew Good luck guys. Pretty good box, man Silver iladon you out of here? No. Nope. Noice guys. Kyle's still going If you're getting fomo on the on the prism wwe head over to drip Or anything for that matter. You get the late night urge drip something drip Hyper cruise del toro blue prism gender mahal to 199 Is vir mahan the one that was the pirates prospect? Who vir mahan That's not his I don't think it's his actual name There's a pirate's prospect Yes, I believe so It was it was it was wildly. I wasn't like reason Seth freaking Rollins on the teal. That's a nice one to 49. There's a nice color Seth freaking Rollins Red Chad gable to 299 Yeah, the next he was pretty solid actually Surprisingly pretty good You'll be cell Leon Ruby wave blue edge to 199 Edge My voice is gonna be gone tomorrow And last pack for you Matthew Blue wave Andre the giant Silver undertaker do it. All right next up is number five Steven. Hey Number five What is this coming up hyper is katana chance a red damian priest It's 299 and a prismatic entrances nice color there becky lynch.  I wish had gable been around so I'm in a couple years, right? Ruby wave rookie Eva rain Eva rain blue Malik blade 299 Started 199 Malik blade blue was for 199 blue wave Dolph Ziggler With a silver jc jane hyper mr. Stone With a silver to masochampa Ruby wave mark coffee Red prism is uh nomed are to 299 This break was 269 99. So you get a random box Uh, it was cheaper than buying a box on its own. So Everybody gets their own box anyway. It's like buying a personal but cheaper hyper katana chance With a purple ginger mahal. That's to 149 Ruby wave triple h with a silver Quincy Elliott rookie really class. I'd know that To 99 a Cameron Grimes red sensational signatures silver emma hyper bailey blue prism eddie guerrero to 199 This is one of my favorites when I was younger too Three packs left. Stephen. Good luck. Stephen mojo amari miller 19 of 25 lowest numbered card pulled of the case so far There you go red ray rippley 299 last couple Is a Ruby wave nathan fraser silver ultimate warrior that has an austin theory mojo superstar auto to 25 Congrats, steven last pack mojo ladder match too. That's cool silver edge And some of the last packs been hitting here. All right, we're on the number six now Which is james h Ruby wave rookie beef ab Red sonny deville. That's the 299 orange coming up Afro hyper zavier woods is an orange butch 30 of 99 Ruby wave of sedgwick alexander silver dexter uh lumis mojo jojo anthony is that what you're trying to reference right now Hey to that guy dude. What a bad guy blue wave undertaker Silver macho man randy savage Not rookie, but hyper gg dolin With a red prism gnome dart at 299 That's that's tough to say clad. I don't know how quick wwe Folk are with their redemptions Ruby wave damien priest Purple brawn breaker. That's pretty nice to 149 That's tough to say all redemptions are different depends on manufacturer depends on the The person that the subject who is supposed to sign Hyper bianca belair silver big e Besides it live on here I can almost guarantee that won't happen unfortunately, but that'd be cool one of one Dante Shen sensational signatures auto There we go black prism Dante Shen there you go james Yeah, but I think james is the first person to buy in earlier worth the wait man. I hope I hope There we go There we go Silver Santos Escobar. I'm not sure anthony Ruby wave razor Ramon red ray Ripley to 299. All right three packs here. We packs left orange mr Mr. Perfect number 99 purple yulisa leon To 149 It's a lot more color in this than I think there was last year hyper beefab Silver madcap moss and last one of the box where you james Is a rock sand parez sensational signatures read the 99 A very good box. This was Silver natalia. I'll do it for six on a seven on a seven on the back row Again seven eight nine ten eleven twelve. Oh, I took him out. Look at that. He'll go faster And seven is chris s by the way, this chris s here So I don't know the dominant was stereo auto to 99 superstar red auto silver Ava rain You mean like me while i'm breaking hyper stone cold Silver dana brook Orange prism big e with a mojo behind it big e is to 99 here with a mojo A von wagner 12 out of 25 Nice not franz Wagner von wagner, dude You just want to say franz, don't you? Yeah franz Ruby wave the rock. That's the first color of the rock. We've seen Older the rock not too older red the godfather to 299 redemption. Oh boy The first one we had was was pretty big in the case. So dana brook sensational signatures dana brook auto redemption silver sedric alexander Oh, gosh. I was like, okay Silver hulk hogan Silver hulk is solid Eddie Guerrero enters this dude. Yeah, dude the low right of the car the convertible and is ruby wave dominant We steer with a gold with a gold Of kofi kingston That's fire That's awesome Number one of ten Kofi kingston Congrats chris get that one magged for you Good stuff. Oh, she's boxing. I'm pretty decent Hyper rogerick strong red joe gacy. That's number two two ninety nine Ruby wave katana chance with a silver the rock Hyper zalina vega silver rookie That's really dinged up there really just Beat up Keanu james will send a boxing rapper With the a chris So you get that one replaced if you'd like to You have to go up and you need to get that one replaced. That was just looks like I got caught in something It is rare, but it does happen. Unfortunately ruby wave brawn breaker blue prism wendy chew to 199 Yeah, Greg, it's gonna be awesome. That's gonna be a big chase What are those patches are gonna go in hyper undertaker Purple core jade number to 149 We're on to number eight, which is brian t now Hyper tomaso champa with a blue prism Is a keanu james rookie number two 199 Ruby wave live morgan with a red prism of goldberg to 299 There we go. Nice goldberg blue wave randy orton silver miko sadamora Ruby wave ilio draganov Silver cameron grimes redemption Let's have that right here silver avarain. All right the redemption is Tomaso champa superstar autograph solid hit there Let's see. Let's see a huge auto next.  Love the teals It's a dominic mysterio to 49 Good stuff solid color there. There we go 34 49 with a red Jagger reed red jagger reed That one's a 299 ruby wave ultimate warrior silver Is keanu james rookie the next auto Is dakota kai silver superstar auto Let's go to kai and champa definitely solid hits. There's silver jerry luller king jerry luller repacks left hyper brawn breaker silver sadrick alexander Ruby wave indy heartwell with a purple to 149 the american nightmare cody rhodes hyper malik blade red Um, how do you say that? It's 299. How do you say that? I've got no idea. Is that like macy or something? That's a tough one. You know how to say that? Macy, that's what I said. Say number nine And greg m here Box nine Ruby wave aj styles with the red cody rhodes 299 teal Is rakel rodriguez to 49 Purple the name again the name. I do not know how to say to 149. Macy. Macy Maché Dude Someone's gotta know someone's gotta help Got a hyper of mia yim silver uh, thea hail I don't even know who's fighting Clyde. I don't really I don't pay attention to usd very much Who a red auto nakita lions numbered to 99 silver rocks and pares hyper rookie quincy elliott with a Silver ripfowler redemption that could be big silver Isla dawn redemption of Tomaso champa prism superstar auto red solid hit there hyper mr. T silver humberto Stone cold prismatic entrances blue wave shatzi blue madcap moths to 199 rhodesanya Guller burns hory mazo. Those are pretty good actually Ruby wave tomaso champa. You've got a red kevin owens to 299 Just three packs left Ruby wave undertaker silver Ludwig keiser hyper mia yim red Is keanna james rakel to 299 Okay, that's right. So nikita lions. All right last pack Ruby wave baron corbin and a blue jagger reed To 199. Alrighty on the number 10 three boxes left. Thanks again for filling this up Tom k number 10 You guys more group breaks in like like nine in like eight hours Ones All right. Sorry about that. Just saw something you know pop up tom k. Sorry. Sorry tom Ruby wave is a valon henley blue prism giovanni vincy To 199. I have it going. Greg.  There was a card behind that one. Sorry nice mojo to 25 seth freakin rollins Very nice insert. There was a red. Sorry behind that behind that hyper earlier was red top dollar rookie to 299 And I clung to the back like some of those other cards have done earlier Ruby wave cameron grimes silver gender mahal Ruby wave elton prince with the purple sedric alexander To 1 49 blue wave apollo cruise silver otis Is a j. Uso auto to 49 nice hit champion signatures j. Uso There you go tom Silver a sammy zane three wave shanna baszler silver cruise del Toro and then Elias auto blue to 49 superstar auto blue elias silver vader Vader time four packs left per x pock red prism ramus stereo to 299 That is a stone cold steve austin ring royalty one of one Dude, that's what i'm saying That's what i'm saying Come on let's go forest Born big big prism Tom you did all right. Yep black at his black prism Holy cow Hell yeah, that's what we say with a stone cold right there. Hell yeah Keep this one nearby. I gotta get a picture of that one That's two one-o-ones in the case as well Yeah, that'll uh That'll uh, that woke jake up. I think hyper walking wild silver walking wild. Look at that Holy cow This is a great case. Yeah, well, it seemed to be worth the wait So slow while to get here, but uh, we got here Ruby wave of shawn michael's purple typhoon to 149 Last pack of the box That car is incredible blue wave Uh, candice loray and a blue prism randy orton to 199 All right onto number 11 april april's number 11 that uh, that was pretty cool right there That was pretty cool Another homer Can't believe the rays couldn't find a way to keep him. He was blocking someone right but like can he play like third or something? Hyper angelo doc. I don't know. I figured It's crazy. I mean, obviously it wasn't that good with the rays, but geez hyper angelo doc and silver carry on cross Would they get back? Rasmussen solid That's a decent return though, I guess ruby wave shinsuke nakamura silver dakota kai Hey, you know, I'm gonna go at the same pace. I just have a big stack over here hyper matt riddle purple dana brook to 149 ruby wave of austin theory with a blue prism of qiana james the rookie To 199 I think reshream is busted or something. Just so we've reached 100 messages of reshream chat Dude that happened like that happened like 10 minutes in blue even moustafa ali with a silver j uso I guess I did mojo auto sensational signatures is damon kemp 24 out of 25 a lot of color on the auto lot of low number color for the autos as well your april nice silver ricochet hyper goldberg red prism to 299 trick williams orange prism rip fallor. That's the 99 With a purple to 125 bond wagner. Sorry. Yeah, 149 bond Wagner j. Uso ruby wave with a silver mico saramora Triple h prismatic engines three packs left blue superstar signatures almost to 49 Nice low numbered hits here pretty solid ones too Silver mankind. That's what we need to do. We need to have more than one of one mankind gold mankind or something hyper ludwig keiser xpok blue prism to 199 You said trick williams is gable steveson's brother. Is that who you meant? Ruby wave xpok red prism of takota kai That one's numbered in 299. Oh damon kemp. Got you All right on to number 12 james h closing us out here Appreciate you very much james I already had the one of one earlier right james did the uh the auto I think I remember that box number six Then yes, it was well james already has a one of one in the break here. I forget the auto. It's very late james knows that's all that matters It's all matters right now. It's late, man, but group breaks is specialty All right y'all Hyper tyler baits silver mark coffee again more group breaks tomorrow 10 a.m. Start time. I believe with kenzie And sam's here in the evening more personals on drip tomorrow with tile Ruby wave rocks and pares silver core jade Hyper dominic mysterio with a purple to 149 of live morgan Ruby wave carry on cross blue prism tyler bait to 199 hyper scarlet silver JD mcdonough mcdonough mcdonough red rookie auto keana james To 99 there you go silver rick boogs Rick boogs. Let's go Where's his guitar dude? Ruby wave scarlet red live morgan. That's the 299 There's some like marks on this i'm gonna send a box wrapper with the box here. There's like some It looks like the card was touched before like the the finish was has like set The varnish or whatever it's called Yeah, how's that weird like A little more than like fingerprints. We'll get a box and wrapper out to you james So if you want to get that we're want to replace you be able to go to panini and have the Uh color blaster Usually not one per case. Usually they're a little they're much rarer than that one every five or more cases Dana brook teal to 49 Blue prism shinsuke nakamura at a 199 good pack there the wave cameron grimes with a silver Uh terry funk Johnny gargano silver auto silver malik blade Last couple here. Tony d angelo hyper purple to 149 rucky b fab ruby wave mico satamura red ronda rousey red ronda rousey the 299 alliteration for the win And that will do it for the case. Thank you very much everybody I'd say that was a pretty darn good case Thank you. Thank you


If you remember, a few months back I made a couple videos covering SeaWorld Orlando, where I talked about a possible new coaster coming to the park for 2021. Of course at one point it was rumored that SeaWorld Orlando may receive the very first BNM surf coaster in 2021, which we still didn't really have any idea as to what the surf coaster could be.  And then just a little while back SeaWorld Orlando actually received some shipments of track from BNM, which featured the code SFA, which would likely stand for surf 1 if we follow the codes that are typically found at BNM track. So we knew that SeaWorld Orlando got a new shipment of BNM track. We knew that they were likely going to be getting a surf coaster, whatever that may be. So this basically confirmed that SeaWorld Orlando is getting the first surf coaster in 2021 most likely. But we still had no idea what in the world the surf coaster concept actually was. That was until just a few days ago, we got some pretty exciting information. And how did we find this information? Well it's pretty interesting, I'm sure most of you have heard by now that SeaWorld has had liens filed against them for all of their current projects, they are not paying construction companies that are building all of these fancy new rides for them. And in those liens, one of them is for the 2021 coaster at SeaWorld Orlando. And who filed this lien against them? Well, take a look here. Bolliger and Mabillard filed a lien for labor services and materials consisting of engineering, design and fabrication of a custom launch coaster. So obviously SeaWorld Orlando has not announced any type of new launch coaster yet. They have Icebreaker which is built by Premier Rides that was slated to open for 2020. But Bolliger and Mabillard is building a custom launch coaster it seems for SeaWorld Orlando and this of course would be the track which they received recently with the code SFA on it. So this ties everything together pretty nicely, so now we can pretty much infer that the surf coaster is some kind of launch coaster from BNM. And this is a theory that hasn't been talked about as much, although more recently a theory about the surf coaster actually being a launch coaster has come to light. There is this concept image of a new coaster coming to Ocean Park in China and a lot of people just kind of thought oh this is going to be you know one of the new school Vekoma launch coasters. At first glance it does look like a newer Vekoma launch coaster which would be fantastic as well for Ocean Park. But here's the thing, the track in that concept art looks pretty similar to BNM track. However the cars in that concept image are only two across. Well if BNM is going to do a launch coaster I feel like this could be sort of their take on a blitz coaster or some kind of multi launch coaster and I feel like if they would make the trains two across instead of the four across like they typically do they could redesign the track and make it so it's able to maneuver much tighter transitions and turns and just take everything at a faster pace which makes me think even more that the surf coaster could possibly be their take on like a blitz coaster by Intamin which I think would be fantastic. So with BNM building a custom launch coaster I think it's pretty exciting. BNM they are one of the most innovative companies in the industry. They've introduced tons of really forward thinking concepts in the industry. Things that really blew the doors open for many other companies down the road. But in recent years they've just been kind of seemingly following this formula where they found like this perfect balance of what they should have in a ride and a lot of it just kind of runs together and they haven't really done much new recently. So they have this new concept and I'm really hoping that they push themselves with this and I'm really hoping it's something maybe a little bit out of the box for BNM and I really do think it will be. You know looking at the concept art once again from Ocean Park it appears that this coaster has lots of sideways twisting banked airtime hills going back and forth and they appear to be pretty tight compact elements which is quite a bit different from pretty much every BNM out there. Of course BNM is known for these huge graceful airtime machines and these huge loopers that are just very drawn out for the most part at least the more recent BNM rides and it appears to me based on the concept art and what we know and taking everything into consideration the fact that they have this new concept called a surf coaster. I feel like everything sort of lends itself to a more compact more intense launch coaster experience especially when you think about like the idea of surfing and you know riding the waves and it gets a little wild I guess. I don't really know how to elaborate on it in the best way but I think you get what I'm saying. I think that a launched Blitz style of coaster or something along those lines would work really well for BNM and I think it is great that they're coming out with this concept now. Launch coasters are all the rage right now. I mean launch coasters are just being added left and right. I mean everybody these days is getting a launch coaster. Maybe it will be some kind of multi-launch coaster. Maybe it'll have forwards and backwards launches because that's also really popular right now and I think BNM is sort of striking while it's still hot. I think if they would have waited too long to roll this out they may be feared that they wouldn't be able to jump on that bandwagon but I think it's awesome that one of the premier manufacturers out there who has maybe become a little stagnant in recent years although they're great at what they do. I think it's awesome that they're possibly branching out and entering this newer market and sort of putting their own spin on the launch coaster concept and honestly I cannot wait to see what this 2021 coaster is for SeaWorld Orlando as long as everything still happens as planned. Of course nothing is normal right now so hopefully this project still moves forward. Hopefully they can still bring us this surf coaster concept. You know BNM hasn't really dealt with launch coasters in the past. They built the Incredible Hulk at Islands of Adventure but they did not build the launch for that ride. They designed the ride and that was it. The launch was not designed or built by BNM and then Thunderbird at Holiday World was the first launch coaster that BNM made where they were actually involved in the design manufacture of the launch and everything like that. That's it as far as BNM launch coasters. Besides of course the near clone of the Incredible Hulk currently being built. Yeah let me know what you guys think about this. Are you guys excited for the BNM surf coaster? Do you think it's just going to be kind of more of the same just kind of copying what other people are doing? Let me know your thoughts on this because this is pretty exciting information that's come to light here. Finally after what a year and a half two years maybe now we have some good direction on what the surf coaster could actually be. It appears it's not a stand-up and I know I've said in the past the stand-up theory kind of would make sense. I've completely changed my mind on that. The stand-up coaster would make absolutely no sense for BNM to do again. I've completely changed my mind on that so yeah let me know what you guys think about this. Be sure to like my page coaster daddy on Facebook, follow me at Coaster Daddy Official on Instagram, subscribe, and I'll see you guys next time. This is Coaster Daddy. Bye.