yo soy Nicole Mischel y esta es una emisión especial de News 24 en español dedicada a la guerra espadas de hierro el 7 de octubre en horas de la mañana a una hora de vientos vino a cubrir la región en las distintas ciudades en las que vivíamos acudiéndonos de un largo retazo en el que la opción de la liberación de palestina no había funcionado como invasores en territorio extraño los miembros terroristas de jamás han saqueado asesinado quemado y secuestrado decenas de familias que han sido parte liberadas y en parte siguen dentro de los túneles de jamás el ejército de ser el sabido recomponerse prepararse y asegurar el camino a la liberación de gaza tres meses han pasado y todavía no todo está definido tres meses han pasado y todo el desarrollo con las muertes caídas de los secuestrados y los líderes de jamás que están a punto de ser sometidos no han dejado a nadie sin replicar es hora de insistir con la preocupación que queda sola en manos de los líderes de israel es hora de conducir a israel a la liberación de los secuestrados y luego más adelante terminar con jamás los secuestrados israelíes que siguen en gaza son prioridad para la sociedad por eso hoy se encuentra con nosotros ricardo gristner tío de omer weinkart de 22 años secuestrado por jamás gracias por estar con nosotros gracias a los gracias de omer el 7 de octubre se encontraba en la fiesta nova que fue atacada por los terroristas de jamás llegó incluso a comunicarse con sus padres ese día a las 7 y 50 de la mañana diciéndoles que estaba con mucho miedo hace tres meses no sabe nada de omer quien sufre de colitis ustedes han solicitado al comité internacional de la cruz roja a través de su representante aquí en israel alexandra miligón para proporcionar las medicinas y que la organización humanitaria se encargue de hacerla llegar hasta donde está omer en cautiverio cuál ha sido la actitud ricardo por favor que ha tomado la cruz roja alexandra que es la cabeza aquí en israel con ustedes nicol también vimos a la jefe de alexandra mariana que es la jefe de toda la cruz roja en el mundo y si vivimos juntos con la familia con el padre yai y la madre en IVA donde en la oficina de la cruz roja en la vida no en televisión cuando estuvo acá ok y tratamos a dar la medicina para omer porque necesita la medicina porque tiene un problema y está ahora enortunales en gaza y no recibe la comida que necesita recibir no recibe el remedios y las situaciones mal porque cuando es con presión tiene sangre que sale fuera pero mariana y alexandra no quieren recibir nada no dan ninguna ayuda a los ecustados y nada más omer también otros personas que tienen problemas de azúcar que tienen problema de corazón que necesitan recibir cada día cada día la medicina y no le dan ninguna ayuda la única cosa que hacen dan ayuda a los palestinos y nosotros damos la comida damos la medicina y los remedios para los palestinas y no hacen el mandat del mandat de la cruz roja exacto están obligados están obligados a ayudar cada persona que está en el lugar que están colocados y si vas a ver ahora el mandate del cruz roja tienen que recibir y dan ayuda para todas personas no dar ni discriminar independientemente israelí es palestino cada una y cuando le dijimos a mariana porque no dan ayuda a los israelí están ahí no se vemos nada ningún visito no comida no remedios dijo mira no sé vamos a qué hacer no sabemos qué hacer entonces lo que hacen acá sino tener acá la posibilidad que ayudar salía fuera da otra compañía otra grupo que ayudan porque reciben millones de dólares sí pero no hace nada lo única cosa que hicieron manejaron con el coche las personas que se le dan afuera pero no van a visitar a mujeres adentro dentro de los túneres de gaza donde tienen que estar los detenidos no van no van o sea ahí no entran hay 22 mujeres que sabemos que hay problemas sabemos porque que la persona que se le dan afuera y ningún visito nadie de la cruz roja o de un rá nadie lo fue a visitar y hombre no se vemos cómo está ahora y ya son 23 días los 23 días que hombres está ahí no sabemos nada de lo que pasa tenemos miedo queremos ver ahí estamos viendo que está con una chica galette la lista llamaba quien quien quien quien qué pasó con ellos en la mañana a 5 de la mañana se le dieron a este festival porque fueron a hacer bailar y ya se van a reunir ustedes en familia el día anterior no sin jator a nico a tener razón estuvimos juntos en la comida de sin jator a y como 12 de la noche cuando salimos y dijo mira puede ser que voy a ir a este festival y fueron ahí en cinco metros de la mañana y como si a media de la mañana y llamó al padre y ya y la madre en iba que están escuchando roquete están escuchando ruido entonces agarraron el coche y trasaron a salir afuera y ahí había y misiles entonces trasaron a entrar al shelter y se hubieran un shelter muy chiquito para 15 personas y seguramente como 30 personas 30 personas en éste es muy chiquito si el ter y los terroristas llegaron ahí y estaban estirando granadas a las personas adentro entonces fue como dos tres personas murieron hombres dijo voy a salir afuera y salió fuera y las personas que estaban saliendo antes de homer lo mataron a todos no sabemos por qué porque para porque alguien dijo no shoot no shoot y no lo mataron a homer pero a kim la mataron y después que encontramos que homer está en gaza no sabíamos lo que pasó con kim es una amiga de cuando eran chicos chicos toda la vida son en miércoles cuatro días después de este incidente si vemos la noticia que kim murió y después la entendemos que es una situación difícil nos quedan tres cuatro minutos su hiciera saber ahora cuál sería el pedido para las autoridades israelíes para que cumplan con con lo que tienen que hacer que es liberar a los secuestrados tienen que hacer lo que pueden que hacer mira hay un montón de personas que puedan hacer presión presión un catar presión o la lugar es que dan plata al jamás y hay porque el catar la plata egypto de ayuda y otro lugar es en el mundo porque rusia a temer ayuda entonces tienen que hacer el presión dar plata si necesitan relicir los periferios que están ahora en el presión porque la única cosa que puede ayudar al gobierno de israel y la este de israel si van a mandar los tres ciento y cinco personas que están ahora porque si van a ser el ejército fuerte pero las personas van a quedar ahí no no podemos hacer una democracia no podemos no podemos vivir cuando ciento y cinco bebés mujeres viejos van a morir y cada día yo recibo en el telegram cada día yo recibo en telegram películas de otras personas que no tienen el telegram de jamás yo te quiero decir esta es tu cámara mirala y decirle a las autoridades de israel qué es lo que tienen que hacer tienen que ver hacer algo en activ no esperar al jamás tienen mandar ahora un mensaje nosotros vamos a poner todos terroristas que están ahora en el presión vamos a sacarlos afuera ponerlos en el frontera al lado de gaza dames los mis personas que agarraron agarraron de las casas agarraron de los coches agarraron del festival de nova acá hay cinco mil terroristas ahora lo mando dame mi personas let me people go ahora y sabes que también me gustaría tal cual cuando te dice carlo un mensaje directo a la cruz roja al comité internacional a la federación internacional de la cruz roja independientemente ambos son cruz roja mariana vos solo jefe de la cruz roja entonces o qué ayudas andas a visitar da comida da remedios ayudas para mandar las personas los secuestrados judíos o que toda la cruz roja sale afuera porque no puedes discriminar no puedes dar ayuda nada más para las palestinas el mandat de la cruz roja es tenemos que ayudar si vas ahora en el website de la cruz roja eso es lo que está escribida o qué ayudas palestinos y judíos o que salen afuera ahora y no da ninguna ayuda porque tenemos que hacer presión al jamás y ahora cada día cada día personas mueren y no quiero que omer va a volver muerto tiene volver a la familia ahora realmente con novedora tu tu tu expresión tu sentimiento y esperemos que rápidamente o mer vuelva entero junto con todos los restos de los secuestrados carlos gracias con lo gracias omer va a volver ahora gracias a vos gracias a ti ricardo por haber estado que no hay toniformes gracias uno de los temas más profundos de los secuestrados es cómo reaccionar en la situación en que exigen cierta definición en temas de inteligencia emocional el doctor daniel guiladi es una especialista en inteligencia emocional psicólogo un tema que nos lleva a preguntarnos cuál debe ser la figura y su resiliencia en el momento de ser secuestrados veamos entonces el informe del doctor guilardi el 7 de octubre fue para israel una gran escuela de aprendizajes pero no tan solo para israel sino para el mundo porque todo hecho que marca nuestra contemporaneidad debe ser motivo de reflexión no son los más fuertes o inteligentes únicamente los que sobreviven a una tragedia sobreviven los más flexibles y adaptables a los cambios como la mente de un secuestrado encuentra su refugio interno para sobrepasar ese momento tan incierto como después de 50 días de secuestrados al ser liberados niños y adultos evolucionan ese trauma el doctor daniel guiladi experto en inteligencia emocional visitó i24 news nos explica su teoría de padres pica piedras primero tenemos que entender que nuestro padres pica piedras ellos vivían en una cueva y estaban tranquilos comiendo sexo paz tranquilidad cantando eso tenía que ver con el sistema para simpatético que regula la estabilidad baja la presión sanguínea y cuando él salía fuera para luchar para casar entonces él tenía o o corre y huye o ataca si el oso es para comerlo y yo puedo lo ataco y si no huyo entonces cuando él terminaba con eso regresaba a la cueva y allí otra vez tranquilidad el problema es que cuando alguien digamos está en la imaginación todo el tiempo fuera de la cueva y todo el tiempo está en peligro entonces el sistema simpático está en activación y entonces está constantemente en atención en lo que ocurre cuando entonces tienen el síndrome de estrés post traumático que puedan tener la capacidad de entonces en su imaginación regresar a su cueva y entonces estar agradecidos de lo de lo que de lo que tuvieron de la familia y tratar de tener una cita positiva con el futuro como hablaba victor frengel en el campo concentración nazi ahorita tenemos el campo de concentración o las cuevas o los túneles de el jamás cuando estas personas regresan entonces de el secuestro y regresan a la cueva la familia la familia los recibe la sociedad los recibe los quieren entonces empieza el proceso de recuperación pero toma tiempo obviamente ese proceso israel desde 1948 ha experimentado en el desarrollo de su sociedad guerras conflictos cómo se explica emocionalmente que 75 años después la casa llamada israel no estuvo segura una decepción una rotura profunda de la confianza de las instituciones que prometieron de alguna todas las instituciones que prometieron protegernos y proteger nuestra cueva y de repente esta gente entró a nuestra cueva en lugar donde supuestamente íbamos a estar protegidos hasta los mamás los cuartos de seguridad verdad estaban listos para recibir los cohetes de ira que en aquella guerra y ahorita podían estos digamos abrirlos por fuera y entonces entrar y a veces matar a gente hasta que gente aprendió y obviamente puso algo para que no lo abrieran por fuera algunos y entonces aquí hay una rotura profunda de la confianza ahora rehabilitar la confianza de todas las instituciones entonces obviamente las instituciones tienen que cambiar de una manera radical yo hace 50 años estuvo en la guerra en kipúr y vi cosas que obviamente que nosotros no queremos ver y todavía después de 50 años todavía de vez en cuando hay pesadillas que me hacen recordar esto o mis padres que estuvieron en el holocausto y en mi padre en el tajo en bugemalt y mi mamá también que se fue a 12 años sola en un barco que la sacaron obviamente de su casa y todavía se hay muchos estudios de esos de esta genera de la primera generación de la segunda generación ahora la tercera generación de holocausto de cual ha sido la repercusión psicológica de esta gente entonces aquí también tenemos que prepararnos al tsunami de necesidad de gente que va a venir los soldados que va a venir la guerra y los que están ahorita que han sido desplazados de sus casas y están viviendo como refugiados en diferentes hosteles digamos y no estando en su rutina cotidiana son muchos los pasos que la sociedad israelí deberá aprender en cuanto a la salud mental si yo pudiera enseñar una sola cosa es cómo ayudar a la gente a cambiar y que no se dejen secuestrar por su diálogo interno negativo donde están juzgándose a veces muchas veces ellos mismos o juzgándolos de más entonces primero tienes que pensar en las cosas por las cuales puedes estar agradecido hacer el por ejemplo que nosotros hablamos de medillación no ver las noticias dos horas antes de no verlas constantemente porque no te dicen nada nuevo no estar con el celular todo el tiempo todo el tiempo pegado entonces tienes que hacer cosas en verdad para que alguna manera ayudarte a ti mismo a generar un diálogo interno positivo padres que entierran a sus hijos hijos que tienen secuestrados a sus padres son tejidos sociales destruidos que deberán ser reconstruidos con la inteligencia emocional nosotros seres humanos primero pensamos después sentimos entonces en el tal mundo hay una una frase que dice nosotros no vemos el mundo como es nosotros vemos el mundo como nosotros somos entonces si tú estás viendo basura y entonces estás de y vas a describir basura pero si tú ves las cosas buenas entonces el cerebro obviamente te va a llevar a también a decir digamos a sentir bien entonces inteligencia emocional yo conmigo mismo y el segundo cómo fortalecemos nuestras relaciones interpersonales nuestros hijos nuestra pareja nuestros padres nuestros amigos nuestra comunidad es inteligencia emocional y dentro de inteligencia emocional entonces tiene que ver con la capacidad de rebotar y volver a comenzar y el judío es es una de sus experticias siempre ha sabido renacer de las cenizas que quería leer por favor quería leer algo que que dice así no se rindan acepten las sombras entierren los miedos liberen las cargas no se rindan eso es la vida continúen el viaje destraven el tiempo muevan los escombros y descubran el cielo incluso si el frío arde incluso si el miedo muerde incluso si el sol se pone y el viento se calla todavía hay fuego en el alma todavía hay vida en los sueños porque la vida es nuestra es vuestra y vuestro es el deseo porque el vino existe y el amor es verdadero porque no hay heridas que el tiempo no ocurre para abrir las puertas quiten las cerraduras abandone los muros que les han protegido para vivir la vida y aceptar el desafío recuperen la risa y canten una canción bajen la baja en la guardia y extiendan las manos celebren la vida y recuperen los cielos no se rindan por favor no se rindan demás centrales cuando hay acciones de terrorismo como lo ocurrió el 7 de octubre de terminar a las víctimas que han quedado sin poder ser identificadas luego del acto una de las maneras de hacerlo es por medio del centro de medicina forense de la policía en donde trabajan distintos médicos entre ellas milca chesler que su don tóloga bienvenida y trabaja como voluntaria gracias por estar aquí milca en la historia gracias por estar con nosotros pregunta directa vosotros son tóloga trabajas en el sistema de identificación de las víctimas que han sufrido el atentado el 7 de octubre cómo llegaste a ese puesto y qué se hace en lo general en ese en esa función yo hace más de 12 años que soy voluntaria en el en la unidad de identificación de ontología forense de la policía lo que se hace en general es identificar víctimas que no hay otra manera de identificar las dice necesita la identificación científica eso se hace a través de o las huellas digitales o adn o la dentadura que es en general como una especie de caja negra del para el alavión no porque hay mucha información y muchas en muchos casos es la única manera que tenemos de identificar a las víctimas y en este caso del 7 de octubre qué fue lo que pasó el 7 de octubre a la mañana temprano ya entendimos que íbamos a tener aquí mucho trabajo fue como todos saben un desastre la cantidad de víctimas que cada vez iban llegando más y más y más y cientos y cientos y el grado del estado de los cuerpos porque esto fue una masacre unas brutalidades que es lo que nos importa nosotros lo que yo hago nosotros lo que hacemos cuando hay cuando se necesita identificación por la dentadura no es la identificación se hace comparando récords que haya de la víctima antes de la muerte y nosotros tenemos que recolectar cuanto más información posible para poder después llegar a una a una reconciliación de los datos no y a una identificación positiva y cuando nosotros estamos frente a la víctima tenemos que tener la mayor información posible visual y radiográfica porque no sabemos con qué vamos a qué vamos a recibir para poder comparar no por supuesto nosotros tenemos que después ver de tener datos de antes de la muerte que se obtienen de el dentista que lo trataba los que no siempre se sabe quién era institutos radiográficos bueno lo que sea no perdón no no más que esa parte técnica no también esa parte humana no si lo que pasó el 7 en general cuando no sin hablar del 7 de octubre lo que nosotros hacemos es casos de accidentes de incendios de desastres naturales no claro pero para ti como doctora como dontóloga de repente un hecho que no es un accidente automovilístico en una hogar sino que algo que vamos allá y que nos hace recordar no lo causo que se pasaron hace muchísimos años no cómo te sentiste de repente ver la dentadura de quienes no conocías obviamente y estás tratando de identificar por un hecho en el que quizás hoy se nos podió ser cualquiera de nosotros sí bueno eso fue lo que hizo diferente al 7 de octubre de todas las cosas que hemos visto yo que estoy hace más de 12 años y gente que está antes que yo en la unidad que nunca nadie vio algo ni parecido no por la cantidad y no sólo por la cantidad las víctimas eran de todas las edades como todos sabemos había niños cuéntanos el estado bueno primero que se sabe que saben todos que entraron en una fiesta de jóvenes los cuerpos que llegaron de la fiesta y también de las casas privadas donde donde los terroristas entraron estaban en un estado de difícil de descomposición no sólo de descomposición de los primeros días todavía los cadernos están en descomposición pero fue una masacre se cometieron brutalidades milcas que a diferencia nosotros como periodistas y de las personas tú sí los viste tú sí tienes la información no tan sólo como información sino visual tú estuviste ahí cuéntale a la gente qué significa todo eso como médico y como como israelí bueno justamente como te decía al principio por ser no un desastre natural por haber sido hechos brutales que se cometieron en contra de gente inocente civil niños mujeres hombres que estaban en sus casas o en la fiesta fueron atrocidades fueron masacres inhumanas los cuerpos llegaron en estado desde incinerados hasta decapitados difícil de detallar pero todo lo que uno escuchó en las redes hasta la hora final si tuvieras que resumirnos el primer momento en que viste a los primeros cuerpos que llegaron qué fue lo que sentiste fue horrible porque como decía no sólo la cantidad sino el estado de los cuerpos y saber que esto fue un ejército que entró a atacar a inocentes en sus casas a jóvenes bailando en una fiesta por la paz y las atrocidades que se cometieron de verdad es difícil nombrarlas bueno te queremos agradecer normalmente el hecho de que hayas venido a nuestro estudio para contarnos este detalle algo tan simple y tan doloroso de lo que pasó el día 7 de octubre en adelante muchas gracias por haber estado con nosotros y también por esa maravillosa labor de un difícil y atroz y si me permites la última lo último que quiero si recalcar es que el hecho de haber sido un ejército en contra de inocentes y civiles tiene que hacernos entender a nosotros viviendo aquí y al mundo que se trata de de atrocidades y brutalidades que se cometieron en nombre del mal en nombre del mal no hubo aquí nada parecido a ninguna parte del mundo y tenemos que entender quién es jamás quién es jamás para los palestinos que son sus propias sus propias víctimas también y quién es jamás para nosotros muchas gracias ustedes seguimos esperando a todos los secuestrados de Israel que sean liberados que todos regresen a sus casas lo antes posible que no quede ninguno en gaza hasta la semana que viene gracias por estar con nosotros carlos 3 kings famous 1968 mountaintop speech was based on his trip to the promised land 55 years later his prophetic words are coming true hundreds of african-american women took a journey of a lifetime to the holy land will introduce you to the amazing female spiritual religious leaders who are infusing new energy into the next generation of african-americans esta semana en los 24 Israel bajo ataque mis 24 en español trae el análisis y la información de los acontecimientos de la guerra espadas de hierro entrevistas exclusivas de reportes desde la zona de guerra la reacción de los países hispano parlantes 24 el único medio en español que te mantiene informado y conectado con la comunidad latina en israel 24 únicamente en hay 24 news senior diplomático respondent oan ultiman explains the administration's envoy is on his way to the region let's take a look américa's point man on lebanon trying to do on land what he did at sea with amos hawkstein reportedly set the flight back into beirut this week to try to broker a deal that would bring quiet to the land border between lebanon and israel the way he did last year with the border between zones at sea the most important piece of this agreement is that it is the entirely in the interest of each country to not violate it and to move forward the background now of course is the war and the element of it on the israel leban on border where the lebanese terror group hisbola has been firing for months at communities on the israeli side and the israeli military has responded by firing at hisbola targets the biden administration wants the situation contained below the threshold of a wider war as does the french government israel has killed more than 130 hisbola fighters israeli attacks have intensified and israeli prime minister benjamin itanyahu has a warning we have approved operational plans for the continuation of the fighting if hisbola expands the war it would absorb blows that it has not dreamed of and iran as well iran vaccines apparent plan to incentivize hisbola to move its troops away from the israeli border in exchange for apparent israeli concessions on marking that border in at least some of the 13 points of dispute the biden administration does not want a full scale war israel's plan a is not to have a full scale war and the lebanese public does not want a full scale war which all point to the sides getting to a deal that forestalls a full scale war at least for now until october 7th there were high hopes for big changes in the middle east talk of us mediated peace between israel and saudi arabia which in turn would spread to other countries created much anticipation but then after thousands de terroristas rampados por las comunidades israelías y las bases de idf se rompieron y se desplazaron todo en su camino la casa deliquida se colapsó el kingdom de saudi arabia afirma su rejección de la agresión de agresión ocupación y el desplazamiento de la populación de gaza el kingdom mantiene las autoridades de ocupación responsables por los crimes cometidos contra las personas palestinianas y sus propiedades estamos seguros de que la única manera de garantizar la seguridad de la paz y la estabilidad en la región es para la ocupación de la sede y las desplazaciones pero la sede de la israel sáudi normalización para el futuro no es posible que la only one of the effects of that dark october 7th on the region. It also saw the solidification of the iranian axis of proxies from iraq to lebanon all the way to yemen Tehran's branches all began to attack israel. We are in a multi arena war we are being attacked from seven different sectors gaza lebanon siria judia and samaria iraq yemen and iran we have already responded and taken action and I say here in the most explicit way anyone who acts against us is a potential target there is no immunity for anyone in an attempt to get a better understanding of how the region as a whole was affected by the october 7th attacks I 24 news reached out to journalists in the region to give their perspective one of them is a journalist from yemen we blurred his face and distorted his voice for his safety speaking with an israeli based news outlet. Perhaps the most surprising front to many has been the continuous drone and missile attacks by the Houthis in yemen towards israeli territory and then at international commercial ships navigating through the red sea. The Yemeni armed forces affirm their continued support for the Palestinian people as part of the religious moral and humanitarian duty and confirm the continuation of operations in the red sea and the arabian sea against israeli ships or those heading to the ports of occupied Palestine until the food and medicine needed by the gaza strip are brought in but according to the journalist in yemen the Houthis are simply the ones pulling the trigger in service of their patreons. Beyond emboldening the iranian axis the October 7th attacks also seem to have affected the streets in many of the region's capitals in support of the Palestinians. I see a lot of change among the awareness of ordinary people who never really paid attention to the political issues of the Palestinian situation I seen especially in Arab countries Saudi Arabia many of the countries have really much more involved now and I think we've seen also progressives and young people around the world taking up the Palestinian cause in a much more powerful way than we've ever seen before. Like the journalist in Yemen Kutab 2 believes that the war in Gaza has put a strain on Israel's existing peace agreements with Jordan and Egypt. Both peace streets have held on so far but on a very thin ice I think that there is strong opposition in both countries to their countries continuing the peace agreements but more importantly I think people want civilian lives to be saved. Besides threats there are some silver linings that have emerged from the horrific attacks on Israel and ensuing war in Gaza. Not only the American-led maritime coalition aimed at ensuring the safe navigation in the Red Sea but that Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan all intercepted Houthi drones and missiles over the territories under way to Israel an indication that Jerusalem does have shared strategic interests in the balance of power in the Middle East. Arab countries are trying to be peacemakers as much as they can. They are trying to provide material support to people who are in terrible need and I don't think we've seen a major shift especially in countries that have had normalization relations with Israel. The leaders are still insisting on keeping some form of relationship even though no public opinion has changed. The government is still insisting on keeping some form of relationship between Israel and Israel. I think they are trying to keep some form of relationship between Israel and Israel as well as keeping some form of relationship between Israel and Israel. And so with the war in Gaza in full steam and further escalation with his Balan the Horizon, the October 7th attacks seem to have changed not only Israel but the region as a whole. Now Israel finds itself at a critical juncture, a regional war or increased regional cooperation. Whether or not it's up to Israel to decide what the outcome will be that still remains to be seen. There was no official statement to mark the beginning of the ground operation in Gaza. Neither should we expect one regarding the completion of one stage and the move to the next one. But even without a statement, that move is probably coming. Some of the reserve soldiers will return to their families and to their jobs this week. This will allow a significant relief to the economy and will allow them to gather strength ahead of the coming activities as the fighting will continue and we will need them. The reservists are the backbone of the IDF. More than 300,000 of them were recruited during the current war giving a major boost to the army as in size and strength. No one will say it openly but if reservists are being released the meaning is less massive incursions such as the ones seen until now and more surgical operations that demand more precision but probably less firepower. A more focused activity on terror enclaves carried out by units operating from Israeli territory and not from Gaza. More airstrikes and artillery and fewer large units inside Gaza who many times are sitting ducks for Hamas terrorists. This is probably where we're heading as 2024 dawns. Mia Sham became the hostage every Israeli knew. She was in the thoughts of every Israeli soldier before going into war. She was held in Hamas captivity for weeks, injured in a small room with no daylight, sitting on a mattress while a guard was across from her, watching her 24-7. Sitting in front of him, she decided she will come back, she will survive this and for the first time she's speaking candidly on the isolation and the brutality. I was not allowed to cry. Why? Because if you will cry, we'll send you to the tunnels. I was in a tiny room, 8 feet by 8 feet, two people were in it, me and a terrorist, looking at me 24-7, examining me. I was afraid he would rape me. There's a fear of him taking his weapon and putting a bullet in my head with no warning. The room was closed. They would throw food once a day. Some days there was no food. The kids would open the door, look inside, talk about me, laugh about me. They looked at me as if I was an animal. I was afraid anything could happen at any moment. He could touch me. ¿Has hecho algo como eso? No. No, solo porque su mujer estaba fuera de la puerta. Si estuvimos allí sola, algo hubiera podido suceder. En este pequeño room, había regalos. Mia no estaba capaz de hablar o mover, o incluso llorar. Una vez que me heché los tiros, él miró a mí y dijo en Arabic enough, stop crying or I'll send you to the tunnel. I'm telling myself, say strong. Don't fall apart here. You'll be back home soon. That's what I was telling myself all the time. Mia understood that in order to survive, she needed to pretend to play the cruel game of the terrorists that were sitting across from her. Once he lost it, he started crying and took his Kalashnikov. I was sure he was about to put a bullet in my head. I got close to him and sat down and asked, what's wrong? What's wrong? Why are you crying? He told me that two of his friends died in an Israeli attack. Secretly I was elated. But I was like that. Playing the game, you know. I didn't see daylight for 54 days. I also didn't move. So I was barely walking. My legs were shaking. Were you able to sleep there? Maybe for an hour? You can't really sleep when a Hamas terrorist is sitting and staring at you. I can hear the strikes, heavy strikes, massive strikes. The windows shattered on me. There were a few days when I lost my hearing. I wasn't scared from the strikes for a moment. It cheered me up. And then one day, it was completely silent. And I told myself something is happening. The ceasefire between Hamas and Israel came into effect. When the exchange of prisoners and hostages started, Mia was moved to another location. There, after almost 50 days alone, she met other hostages. We were all in the same boat. And then what? They tell people daily he was getting released? It was a Russian roulette. It was the most difficult thing. That some are released and some others are not? She was released in the final exchange. At the moment she said goodbye to the hostages y Gaza does not leave her. On her way home, Hamas shot this video. People are very good. Very kind to me. All good. I feel good. The kindness and everything. You know your seconds away from going back home and Hamas tears is shoving a camera in your face. He told me, say the people of Gaza are nice. Say good things. What can I say? Your crap? Karen, Mia's mom, did everything she could for this moment. They are together again. But her best friend, Elia, was with her at the party and was kidnapped right next to her, was killed. The IDF extracted his body from Gaza. Mentally, she is still in Gaza and no one knows how long it will take until she'll return. But physically, she's here. Exactly like she dreamed all those nights in captivity. This is my dream. This was my dream. I can't believe I'm here. At home. Two months into the IDF's ground operation in Gaza, questions are rising as to the end strategy of the current high intensity phase and a move on to the next phase. On one hand, there are still constant firefights with Hamas terrorists, especially in the area of Chanyones. We found here plenty of enemy infrastructure. There was a terrorist here with a Kalachnikov that tried to shoot at our soldiers.  Along with that, Hamas officials are also being killed. One of them is Abdel Fattah Mahali, the closest associate of Ichiya Ayash, who was known as the engineer and responsible for various terror attacks in the 1990s. On the other hand, there's a feeling that in the current phase the IDF is not able to reach the hostages or the Hamas senior leadership and some other way is now needed. When will Israel head for that other way? The prime minister may have set the goal for that. The Philadelphia Corridor, or to put it more correctly, the southern end of Gaza, must be in our hands. No other solution can ensure the demilitarization we seek. The Philadelphia Corridor separates Gaza from Egypt and the assumption is that huge amounts of weapons were and maybe still are smuggled to Gaza in tunnels running under it. On paper, Egypt seems to refuse any such move. Israel needs Egyptian backing for another crucial move, a hostage deal. Families and protesters believe the government is not doing enough in that field. I'm afraid that the government of Israel has prioritized otherwise its political ambitions and the hostages is not on the top priorities. A possible hostage deal, the control of the Philadelphia Corridor, the effectiveness of the IDF's current tactics. Many critical issues for the future of this war but none of them with a concrete solution at hand. Compacting trash with a smile, this is a dirty job but someone is going to do it. I'm sure we're doing this in service to the country. Absolutely, well great weather, great people and a great cause. Has never been more gratifying. We're preparing pallets of snacks. I think we do about 50 pallets a day and the snacks go right to the front to the troops in Gaza and our incredibly important job, really a matter of national security is compacting these boxes. It's an assembly line of hundreds of volunteers from dozens of countries around the world. It's one thing to give money, to go to rallies and support but it's something entirely different just to be here and lend physical support doing whatever we can. And whatever they can involves packing boxes and doing the heavy lifting all with the goal of providing supplies for soldiers fighting the war in Gaza and fighting the war of public opinion against the Jewish people. My feeling is world opinion never saved one Israeli life so a lot of us just don't care. You know, we feel that Israel has to do what Israel has to do to protect its own people and if the world doesn't like it, well, too bad. The world doesn't like it when Jews fight back. The non-profit organization, SAR-L, Service for Israel has existed for decades but since October 7th the volunteer program has been overflowing with people of all ages wanting to pitch in no matter what the cost. Since I started coming to the bases I just feel so relaxed. I feel like my blood pressure is down, my temperature is down. I feel like I'm just walking on a cloud and there's never a sense of anything negative. It's all positive. And I haven't heard a complaint from 80 Jews in a week which is unbelievable. This one is for the Red Cross and this one is for the UN and they deserve it. Even 82-year-old New Yorker, Rochelle Marshall, suited up for her 18th SAR-L mission. They thought I was too old to come here this year and let me tell you they made a mistake thinking that and I'm so honored to be able to help these people that when somebody thanks me I feel silly because these are the people who are making it possible for me to come here. I'm going home. I'm going to be away from this and they're going to stay here. With young soldiers in Gaza for months fighting for their lives and for the existence of Israel every little bit of love and support helps. Especially now when we're getting bombarded with all kinds of messages outside and our kids are being attacked. The parents would be really important to come together. We are packaging this week it sounds silly but different treat backs so that every day the soldiers would get something extra to eat versus their tuna fish or whatever the average food is. And what makes this particular SAR-L mission so fulfilling and comforting is that mothers of lone soldiers fighting the war in Gaza are also volunteering to support in the process. We have a son in the army today right now in Gaza he's 20 years old he came in about a year ago to join the army. What we're packing here happens to be Shabbat bags for soldiers and I know one of them is going to go to Gaza.   I have two former loan soldiers ones in reserves one came back to America and I have a daughter drafting sorry next week and she feels really confident about her decision so coming back and having a physical way I know it doesn't seem like a lot there's some snacks but it's so important to physically be here in Israel to show my kids that I'm proud of them I have three loan soldiers one has severe PTSD from his service and it doesn't matter if they're my three soldiers or they're somebody else they're all my children and I got to hug them and send them in I mean we can be the last people they see it just kills me it kills me I love them all he is in the Mishmar Ghul the border police he's been dreaming of joining Sahal since he was 14 if they would have taken him then he would have come he is absolutely built for this he knows he's built for this he's living his best life just living his dream living his destiny one son he's actually been here for 18 years that's when he did his main service and he's been he has had days off in between but he's basically still at it he's in the north he's new he had just drafted a month before the war broke out I am just really really really proud you know you want your child to do what's in their soul and in their heart he is so passionate about Israel he is very confident in his wanting to be here which brings me confidence and my husband confidence and I send that from across the ocean every day on this particular day the moms and volunteers also got a morale boost by the president of the world's Zionist organization you look it's just it's horrific you know anybody with any moral integrity or anything should stand up and come here and help and also on this sorrow mission the Jewish people have American Christian police officer Nick Jones to thank for taking a stand against the hypocrisy and anti-Semitic vitriol that is sweeping the globe I have friends that are Jewish of course and I'm part of the IDF every morning I get a briefing with them and I hear and I see the videos of everything that's going on here and if it were happening in America we would do just like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan we would stand up, we would go take care of business and it'd be over with here it doesn't exist there's a farmer I live by who says good people remain silent bad things happen to him so as Americans as a religious background everybody needs to stand behind Israel because no one around her is sticking up for her at the hot seary military base in the Negev, Emily Francis I-24 News In a state of war families completely done down in their beds we have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front line but the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well if the Placid Particles breaks up it doesn't matter it doesn't matter it doesn't matter it doesn't matter it doesn't matter if the Placid Particles breaks up it does not stop at the micron size it can actually go even smaller so once the size goes below one micron people call it nano plastics because now it's in it's size is in the nano range belong to elephants they shoot their most beautiful on the elephants and we should leave them on the elephants every tusk you see today there are elephants and animals that have been killed rape mutilated 1300 people and kidnapped 240 hostages of which 136 are still held captive in the Gaza Strip now the Biden administration has slammed the unfounded genocide claims against Israel reaffirming its position that the tiny Jewish state has the right to defend itself against Hamas terrorist acts which is vowed to repeat again and again until Israel is completely destroyed Germany's foreign minister Chancellor also echoing messages of support to Israel this morning let's take a listen to South Africa ambassador to the Netherlands opening statements at the UN court hearing the application places Israel's genocidal acts and ambitions within the broader context of Israel's 75 year apartheid 56 year occupation and 16 year siege imposed on the Gaza Strip a siege which has been described by the director of UNRWA affairs in Gaza as a silent killer of people South Africa has recognized the ongoing knockdown of the Palestinian people through Israel's colonization since 1948 which has systematically and forcibly dispossessed displaced and fragmented the Palestinian people deliberately denying them their internationally recognized inalienable right to self-determination and their internationally recognized right of return as refugees to their towns and villages in what is now the state of Israel we are also particularly mindful of Israel's institutionalized regime of discriminatory laws policies and practices designed and maintained to establish termination subjecting the Palestinian people to apartheid on both sides of the green line hostage families of those still held captive in Gaza led a march to the world courts in the Hague holding pictures of their loved ones held by Hamas chanting bring them home they joined hundreds of pro-israel demonstrators rallying in support of the Jewish state at war facing off with hundreds of pro-Palestinian protestors holding Palestinian flags and banners a short while ago I-24 news contributor Alex Kadim was outside the Hague about as many foreign media outlets as you can think of are all here we're looking at about two dozen reporters a lot of cameras a lot of tripod it is really a historic landmark moment a historic case and it's really had the attention of the world brought here to the Hague just a few moments ago we are bringing you the situation with those protest groups pro-israel pro-Palestinian protests here in the Hague they've been separated quite severely by the Dutch police they've been put into different places we have the Palestinian protestors that were to my left pushed back they've started marching in one direction and the Israeli protestors have been marching in another about a thousand people assembled on either side so certainly a bit of a tense atmosphere we've seen some small flashes of tension between the two sides before they were separated by police and then have you been able to listen in on what the foreign media has been saying have they been reporting I imagine that depending on what country you're coming from you have their media who has sort of a tint and look it's fair to say that this case has been polarizing has been divisive you hear outlets from one part of the world being very sympathetic or at least understanding of the South African case and perhaps presenting a view that the Israeli public would really object to and vice versa you have other media outlets that will present a different perspective and of course that was really a metaphor for how a lot of the world has looked at this conflict we know the United States for example has been firmly critical of this case brought by South Africa whereas the organization of Islamic Nations have also offered its support to the South African case here in the European Union a bit of a nuanced view I asked the European Union's Foreign Affairs spokesperson about the EU's view on this particular case they said look we support the ICJ we support countries' rights to bring cases forward but we are not a part of this case so we will not comment on the details and for more on this story I'm joined in studio by international affairs analyst Dan Perry former Europe and Middle East editor for the Associated Press Xavier Duroso media personality at PragerU and on Zoom Dr. Anath Wolff former Israeli Parliament member for the Labour Party thank you all for joining me today Dan I want to start with you before we dive into the accusations that we heard from the South African team walk us a little bit through the legal proceedings that will be conducted in court well South Africa presented this case today and interestingly it not only focused on disperias and inaccurate by the UN's own definition of genocide as outlined in the genocide convention of 1948 there is no genocide but it broadened it out to a coast-to-coast condemnation of Israel claiming apartheid on both sides of the green line now this is an outrage but this court it must be understood not only has no enforcement powers which by now is I think well known but also is largely political so essentially it's a platform for both sides to make their case and Israel will have that opportunity tomorrow and the court could the proceedings could last for months and maybe years but what the court could do fairly soon is issue various injunctions and there's a broad range of possibilities from meaningless ones like investigate the outrageous statements by various Israeli foolish MK's to perhaps the temporary injunction to the conflict now that would come before the Security Council for Enforcement and I would guess it would be a vote of the US against everyone else with the US vetoing a huge embarrassment in an election year and that would probably ratchet up the pressure on Israel alright so let's break down some of those allegations that we heard from the South African team today in court including I quote Gaza has turned into a concentration camp drawing comparison between the holocaust Jews versus Israel's war against a terror organization who has vowed to reproduce the October 7th massacre until Israel ceases to exist and that's I want to get your reaction simply we need to understand what's happening in the court now as part of a strategy that has been in existence for years decades actually which I call the placard strategy you know it from anti-israel placards in which israel zionism sometimes just to starve David is equated with all of the world's evils and the placard strategy has been laundered through international bodies for years the Soviet Union brought with the Arab world the zionism is racism resolution in 1975 as soon as the UN decided racism is bad they decided to slap it to zionism then in Durban in South Africa a conference of the UN against racism that was the emergence of the apartheid charge and now we're seeing the placard strategy of equating Israel with genocide laundered through the international court of justice so this has been a process that has been going on for decades and in many ways regardless of the outcome of the debates and as was mentioned they could last for years what matters is the equation of Israel's zionism to starve David with all of the world's evils is that once people are accustomed to the idea that Israel's zionism and the starve David equal evil then anything and any means necessary to eradicate this evil are thereby justified and Dan what could be some of the consequences if Israel does not do with the court orders at the end of all this hearing well the UN Security Council could impose economic sanctions or even authorize military action the ICJ has rarely done anything interesting that actually held because there's always going to be a veto at the UN Security Council so it's largely as I say a political forum I have to remind everyone in the past year alone the ICJ ordered Azerbaijan to stop the blockade and they not only ignored the order but they ratchet it up and then attacked causing a flight to the entire population nothing happened to them the only question is whether a political action on a part of various countries and that indeed could be dire because it would give support and political momentum to anti-israel forces all over the world you could find countries not doing business with Israel because the anti-israel forces within that country say Austria would argue that Israel is a violation of an explicit injunction by the ICJ absolutely and you've described this as a placard strategy explain that to us for a little bit the idea is to create a simple repetitive equation of Israel, Zionism and the Star of David with all of the world's evils you see it simply on placards in anti-israel demonstrations Israel, Zionism the Star of David are equated with colonialism racism, apartheid Nazism, genocide so that's on placards but the placard strategy gets laundered by the international bodies that give it basically the kind of imprint of authority because in the past the imprint of authority for anti-Jewish hatred and sentiment was the church and then with racialized anti-Semitism the authority was pseudo-science and now the bodies of authority in our world are the international bodies human rights organizations so it's not a coincidence that these repetitions of equating Israel, Zionism, the Star of David with all of the world's evils are laundered through international bodies you saw it in the clip just now of the opening speech they managed to say apartheid genocide indications that Jews are essentially Nazis this is a long standing strategy that has been an operation has actually been launched in the Soviet Union in the 1960s continuing to the Tsarist Russia protocols of the elders of Zion and they have established first the notion of equating Israel, Zionism and the Star of David with all that is evil and then laundering it through the authority of international bodies Xavier speaking about that laundering of those terms we've heard ethnic cleansing white colonial suppressor so you've described yourself as a former woke ally a former Black Lives Matter activist, you're now a conservative activist and before we get into that discussion I want to take a little bit of a look at some of the stuff that you've been putting online to debunk some of the mass misinformation floating on social media by the so-called woke movement on the Israel Hamas war, let's take a listen why are y'all still spreading misinformation that is so easy to debunk look at the decline of Jewish population in these Arab countries now look at the flourishing Arab population in Israel, the one and only Jewish state so tell me again who's ethnically cleansing whom Xavier you've decided to take it upon yourself but to come here to Israel to show support and also see with your own eyes what has happened here in the southern Israeli communities that were completely destroyed by Hamas, firstly I want to get a little bit of an understanding of how that experience has been like for you who has, we've heard so many people just simply say this hasn't happened, it's fake yeah so this is my second time visiting Israel and the first time I came I didn't know much about Israel, I heard all different types of conflicting details of what was happening here and what I always tell people if you go to Israel thinking you're going to see in apartheid state you're going to realize that could not be any further from the truth so I did come here, I'm seeing the devastation with my own eyes, I'm seeing the lies just play out in ways that are just y no propaganda is the oldest trick in the book and it's certainly not something new to the Jewish community that has been combating that for I want to say centuries but really millenniums now and I am just so proud as a black American Christian Zionist to be here to stand in solidarity with the Jewish community and with Israel as we try to easily debunk these lies they keep desperately trying to spread because they are morally brilliant by spreading these lies but they are just ethically bankrupt because there is no ethics to what they're doing this propaganda that they're spreading is really costing people their lives it's costing people their livelihoods over in America and I have so many people who are trying to even hunt me down I say controversial things on the internet all the time but this is the first time in my career that I'm having people trying to come to my home threatening to kill me and threatening to have protest in front of my home station because these people are so passionate in their hatred towards the Jewish community and towards Israel and I want to ask you what do you say to critics that accuse you as you said of being a Zionist and the quote being on the wrong side of history here ethnically cleansing white colonia suppressor that is carrying out war crimes what do you say to them I just think it's foolish I think it's so easy to see which side is the truth in the past I used to call this conflict complex really it's very simple you have one side that is comprised of musty terrorists who are completely fueled by hate have always been fueled by hate it's even in their charters to be fueled by hate and then you have the state of Israel the state that is always defending itself that is not initiating these conflicts yet for some reason the media tries to present Israel as the villain in this situation but if you look in every single incident that has happened Israel has never been the one to initiate Israel has tried to come up with a compromise on numerous different occasions has bent over backwards to cater to the Palestinians yet every single time it's like the hand that is feeding them is bitten and I just don't understand how people can possibly say that they're doing their research yet be so confused about this subject and you mentioned the concept of complexity in this conflict but in your opinion why is the woke movement getting this conflict the Israel Hamas war so wrong do you think that it's a sort of oversimplification of taking the conflict of racism that we've seen played out in the United States and applying it to here in the Middle East where it's not a question of black and white here it's this massive umbrella that you see on apps like tiktok where I call it the bullying umbrella where every single thing that they want to cancel they put under this umbrella if you say that there's only two genders they'll say you're transphobic they're not oppressed in America and that we're not victims in America they'll say that you're racist and now they're saying that if you stand with Israel you are genocidal somehow which makes absolutely no sense considering Israel has been the ones combating against genocide for so long but this is all their strategy you have social media and that's the only outlet that most people especially Gen Z and millennials are getting their information from and tiktok is intentionally fueling this fire and that's what it's all about promoting the people who are just spreading the most incorrect information but then when you try to put the truth out there they'll not only suppress your account but they will get you banned, they will get you blocked and they will do everything in their power to make your life miserable because they would rather see you be silent than see you tell the truth Dan, the South African defense team if we're going to talk about facts here as Israel also accuses Israel de que el ABF takes to minimize civilian casualties amidst the fighting despite the complexities of urban warfare and some of these tactics no other western army would ever even think about taking them on themselves well, look, there's an irony here in that the fundamental thing Israel has done is to try to get the civilian population out of the way about a million people are more from northern Gaza where in the early days of the conflict asked to move to southern Gaza no, I'm not saying this was some wonderful situation for the people who were displaced but it was clearly for their own good once that happened then you have the claim of ethnic cleansing because they were moved from one place to another it is part and parcel of a propaganda war against Israel that as Xavier is saying is based on simplistic notions and a basic misunderstanding of essential things like who instigated the state of Gaza attacked Israel on October 7th in an unbelievably barbaric way that left it with almost no choice but to go about attempting to remove the source of the evil that attacked it now any country would do this what Israel does to minimize the civilian casualties is to try to hold fire as much as possible and yet shorten the war now these two things are in opposition if it really did very little the war would be longer and politically unsustainable y es difícil de saber donde el optimista es pero yo no diría que Israel no fue libre de failures en esta campaña incluyendo el cumplimiento fundamental de mensaje público y de diplomacia es muy difícil decir la historia sin saber dónde vas dónde quieres la historia si Israel había dicho desde el día 1 queremos 2 cosas en Gaza 1, Hamas no estar en poder no queremos ocupar en Gaza estamos buscando otras opciones y entendemos que la más mala opción es la autoridad palestiniana esa historia puede decir el mundo pero el gobierno de Israel infortunadamente contiene elementos que ayudan a la prosecutación y Netanyahu puso ese mensaje pero quizás... dempere también en zoom muchas gracias por acompañarme los videos contra Hamas Terror en el centro de la magaza en el pasado la militar israelí ha encargado un gran tunnel 20 metros de profunda en el ciudad de Hamas donde los hosteges han sido detenidos en muy difíciles condiciones incluyendo encajas Nick Robertson fue abajo para tener una mirada en el cuello encargaría el desplazamiento problemas para estos trupeos IDF su enemigo es más detrás de los tunnels el mayor problema es el hecho de que estamos manejando debajo de la tierra Goldfuss, quien commands Israel la mayor división militar es adaptada usas todos los sensores que tienes usas tu visión tu sensor de sentido tu sensor de olor fue invitado a CNN a entrar en los tunnels estamos diciendo que este es el corazón de Harnunis y que los hosteges están probablemente en el desplazamiento y que algunos fueron detenidos aquí este tunnel que vamos en aquí es uno donde algunos de los hosteges fueron detenidos ese primer round de los hosteges que fueron detenidos aquí entonces, ¿cuánto largo es este tunnel? nuestro primer tiempo para llegar más cerca a lo que está formando esta guerra estamos moviendo el desplazamiento estamos moviendo el desplazamiento vamos a llegar a todos todos los militares todos los terrenos del desplazamiento no hay un armario moderno que ha tenido que combinar un desplazamiento como antes ¿cómo es eso? un desplazamiento muy difícil un gran desplazamiento para ver solo cómo difícil lo que nos hace más profundo entonces, nos llegamos a un metal ladrón hemos llegado a uno de los estados vamos a un segundo desplazamiento aquí un segundo desplazamiento y aquí, el control de control estamos viajando todo el camino es un sistema profundo ¿cuánto profundo estamos en el desplazamiento? ¿te crees que ahora en el momento, estamos más o menos 10 a 15 metros y ahora vamos a otro nivel más estados vamos a ir de nuevo a otro nivel pero es tan loco mi cabeza sigue bailando la ruta ¿qué estamos viendo aquí? este es un pequeño desplazamiento con algún tipo de sistema de ventilación un sistema de ventilación que va un metal frío alrededor de la puerta estos metal fríos como mucho como este es un pequeño desplazamiento este es cómo las diferentes cajas que se colocaron para que se mantenieran los cajos un cajas hídano y aca aquí no puedes escuchar nada ¿qué está pasando en el mundo del otro lado? ahora tenemos que ser 20 o 30 metros estamos casi 20 casi 20 entonces tienen un tonelón 3 veces más profundo como este lo que es claro aquí el dinero, planos y preparación invistido para un gran desplazamiento estamos 20 metros en el suelo 20 metros y hay un desplazamiento puro y es incluso pintado en el lugar de una bolsa de luz y switches de luz el laberinto sigue ok, ahora es tan lento lo hacemos con nuestros dedos todo bien la pausa de Goldfruits pide su camino a la victoria en el suelo, es jamás y tenemos que llegar a este jamás coo para terminar el desplazamiento pero esas personas palestinianias también están muestras y no se puede entender es por eso que estamos intentando hacerlo tan rápido como posible de la mañana fueron mortos y los roquitos de la norte de Gaza en el estado de Israel en el parte civil de Israel entonces por lo tanto esos roquitos están saliendo de la norte de Gaza las personas que han ido al sur no pueden ir de la norte por lo tanto no hemos tenido nuestro desplazamiento por lo tanto no hemos terminado por la mitad de la hora hemos visto sólo una fracción de este laberinto de la guerra Goldfruits es un desafío encontrar a todos los otros Nick Robertson CNN Juan Eunice Garza y esta pasada a Correspondente de I-24 Pierre Klochenler está en Rehame en el sur de Israel el sitio de la Festival de Nueva donde hay cientos de gobernadores de joven fueron muestras y muestras en octubre 7 Piel, ¿qué está pasando donde estás? Bueno, hay familias de colegas que fueron a las bordas un par de kilómetros de allá con los speakers con megafones y ellos salieron Itaí Reyn soy tu madre soy tu padre soy tu hermana tu hermano estamos trabajando incessantemente con el gobierno de Israel con la comunidad internacional para llevarnos a casa estés fuerte escondidos algunas otras no tienen la oportunidad de hablar para haber survivido el masacre aquí en la Festival de Nueva donde 364 personas fueron muestras muestras muestras muestras este es un hombre con su face con no nombre vais Jorge 400 muestras muestras muestras muestras onions carbon Experience de ellos tirados de aquí. Ellos estaban a la dirección, asombrados. Y pudimos escuchar esto de aquí, porque hubo un relato para nosotros a ver y aquí. Y, al mismo tiempo, escuchas el apache helicóptero de ganchas, la artillería. También ves a los shoppers de evacuación de wounded soldados. Y todo aquí es cristalizado alrededor del 7 de octubre, los 136 hosteges y la guerra que han pasado por 19,7 días, hasta ahora. Pia Klochener, un recorrido de que todavía es el 7 de octubre en el sur de Israel. Muchas gracias por esa noticia. Y eso es el broadcast de esta hora aquí en I-24 News. Para que siga el día de hoy, en la latina en la guerra de Israel, puedes siempre ir a nuestro website, i24news.tv o en social media. I'm Sara Martinez. Thanks for watching. In a state of war, families completely gun down in their beds. We have no idea where we see as our soldiers are fighting on the front line. But the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well. What I saw today was unbelievable. The devastation on the homes, the destruction, the scene still that you could imagine of what happened. It was like something out of a movie. And still also the smell overpowering. It was an important day for me and to show the viewers of I-24 News, but it was a difficult, challenging day. This was the home of Yaniv Ohana to see basically a modern day pogrom and to feel the vulnerability. You know, we live in Israel. We are so dependent on the army and the government and authorities to provide security, to see how all of that can be overturned in the course of one day. I think it really makes us understand how fragile our lives are and how much we're going to have to fight for our existence, a very existence in this corner of the world. Welcome to this special broadcast on I-24 News. I'm Khaled Bendevi. This month marks the 38 years since I started as a journalist in Israel and nothing was like the last two months. This has been the most challenging, most emotional, most heartbreaking and in some ways the most complex story that I've had to cover during that time and never I felt the kind of responsibility that I had to present this story to the world in the right context with the right facts and to really speak truth to power in this situation. Good afternoon, you're watching I-24 News. I'm Sara Martinez, live from Tel Aviv. Today marks day 97 of the Israel Hamas War and as fighting rages on in the Gaza Strip, all eyes are on the haig today. The International Court of Justice, the UN's top court, began hearing a petition by South Africa accusing Israel of committing, quote, genocidal war crimes during its war to dismantle a terror group Hamas after its bloody October 7th massacre that killed, raped, mutilated 1,300 people and kidnapped 240 hostages of which 136 are still held captive in the Gaza Strip. Now the Biden administration has slammed the unfounded genocide claims against Israel, reaffirming its position that the tiny Jewish state has the right to defend itself against Hamas terrorist acts which is vowed to repeat again and again until Israel is completely destroyed. Germany's foreign minister and Austria's chancellor is also echoing messages of support to Israel this morning. Let's take a listen to South Africa, a ambassador to the Netherlands opening statements at the UN court hearing. The application places Israel's genocidal acts and omissions within the broader context of Israel's 75 year apartheid, 56 year occupation and 16 year siege imposed on the Gaza Strip. A siege which itself has been described by the director of UNRWA affairs in Gaza as a silent killer of people. South Africa has recognized the ongoing nagba of the Palestinian people through Israel's colonization since 1948 which has systematically and forcibly dispossessed, displaced and fragmented the Palestinian people deliberately denying them their internationally recognized in alienable right to self-determination and their internationally recognized right of return as refugees to their towns and villages in what is now the state of Israel. We are also particularly mindful of Israel's institutionalized regime of discriminatory laws, policies and practices designed and maintained to establish termination subjecting the Palestinian people to apartheid on both sides of the green line. The hostage families of those still held captive in Gaza led a march to the world courts in the Hague, holding pictures of their loved ones held by Hamas, chanting bring them home. They joined hundreds of pro-Israel demonstrators rallying in support of the Jewish state at war, facing off with hundreds of pro-Palestinian protestors holding Palestinian flags and banners. A short while ago, I-24 News contributor Alex Kadim was outside the Hague. As many foreign media outlets, as you can think of, are all here. We're looking at about two dozen reporters, a lot of cameras, a lot of tripod. It is really a historic landmark moment, a historic case, and it's really had the attention of the world brought here to the Hague just a few moments ago. We are bringing you the situation with those protest groups, pro-Israeli, pro-Palestinian protests here in the Hague. They have been separated quite severely by the Dutch police. They've been put into different places. We have the Palestinian protestors that were to my left pushed back. They've started marching in one direction, and the Israeli protestors have been marching in another, about 1,000 people assembled on either side. So, certainly a bit of a tense atmosphere. We've seen some small flashes of tension between the two sides before they were separated by police. And then, have you been able to listen in on what the foreign media has been saying, how they've been reporting? I imagine that, depending on what country you're coming from, you have their media who has sort of a tint, if you will. Look, it's fair to say that this case has been polarizing, has been divisive. You hear outlets from one part of the world being very sympathetic, or at least understanding of the South African case, and perhaps presenting a view that the Israeli public would really object to. And vice versa, you have other media outlets that will present a different perspective. And of course, that was really a metaphor for how a lot of the world has looked at this conflict. We know the United States, for example, has been firmly critical of this case, brought by South Africa, whereas the Organization of Islamic Nations have also offered its support to the South African case. Here in the European Union, a bit of a nuanced view, I asked the European Union's Foreign Affairs spokesperson about the EU's view on this particular case. They said, look, we support the ICJ, we support countries' rights to bring cases forward, but we are not a part of this case, so we will not comment on the details. And for more on this story, I'm joined in studio by International Affairs Analyst, Dan Perry, former Europe and Middle East editor for the Associated Press, and Xavier Durandso, media personality at PragerU. And on Zoom, Dr. Anath Wolff, former Israeli Parliament member for the Labour Party. Thank you all for joining me today. Dan, I want to start with you. Before we dive into the accusations that we heard from the South African team, walk us a little bit through the legal proceedings that will be conducted in court. Well, South Africa presented this case today. And interestingly, it not only focused on the genocide charge, which is spurious and inaccurate by the UN's own definition of genocide as outlined in the Genocide Convention of 1948. There is no genocide. But it broadened it out to a coast-to-coast condemnation of Israel claiming apartheid on both sides of the green line. Now, this is an outrage. But this court, it must be understood, not only has no enforcement powers, which by now is, I think, well known, but also is largely political. The judges don't have to be judges. So essentially it's a platform for both sides to make their case. Israel will have that opportunity tomorrow. And the proceedings could last for months and maybe years. But what the court could do fairly soon is issue various injunctions. And there's a broad range of possibilities from meaningless ones like investigate the outrageous statements by various Israeli foolish MKs to perhaps a temporary injunction ordering an end to the conflict. And now, that would come before the Security Council for Enforcement. Y yo diría que es un voto del U.S. contra todos los demás con el U.S. tomando un gran embarazo en una eleccionaria. Y eso probablemente quiera la presión en Israel. All right, so let's break down some of those allegations that we heard from the South African team today. In court, including, I quote, Gaza has turned into a concentration camp, drawing comparison between the Holocaust where Nazis carried out an actual genocide against the Jews versus Israel's war against a terror organization who was vowed to reproduce the October 7th massacre until Israel ceases to exist. Hey, Nats, I wanna get your reaction. Certainly, we need to understand what's happening in the court now as part of a strategy that has been in existence for years, decades, actually, which I call the placard strategy. You know it from anti-Israel placards in which Israel, Zionism, sometimes just to starve David is equated with all of the world's evils. And the placard strategy has been laundered through international bodies for years. The Soviet Union brought with the Arab world the Zionism is racism resolution in 1975. As soon as the UN decided racism is bad, they decided to slap it to Zionism. Then in Durban and South Africa, a conference of the UN against racism, that was the emergence of the apartheid charge. And now we're seeing the placard strategy of equating Israel with genocide laundered through the International Court of Justice. So this has been a process that has been going on for decades. And in many ways, regardless of the outcome of the debates and as was mentioned, they could last for years. What matters is the equation of Israel, Zionism, the starve David with all of the world's evils so that once people are accustomed to the idea that Israel, Zionism and the starve David equal evil, then anything and any means necessary to eradicate this evil are thereby justified. And Dan, what could be some of the consequences if Israel does not do with the court orders at the end of all this hearing? Well, the UN Security Council could impose economic sanctions or even authorized military action against Israel. But of course, the ICJ has rarely done anything interesting that actually held because there's always gonna be a veto at the UN Security Council. So it's largely, as I say, a political forum. I have to remind everyone, in the past year alone, the ICJ ordered Azerbaijan to stop the blockade in the Gorno-Karabakh, and they not only ignored the order, but they ratchet it up and then attacked, causing a flight to the entire population. Nothing happened to them. The only question is whether a ruling of the court will lead to political action on part of various countries. And that indeed could be dire because it would give sucker and support and political momentum to anti-Israel forces all over the world. You could find countries not doing business with Israel because the anti-Israel forces within that country, say Austria, would argue that Israel's a violation of an explicit injunction by the ICJ. Absolutely. And Anastasia, you've described this as a placard strategy. Explain that to us for a little bit. The idea is to create a simple repetitive equation of Israel, Zionism and the Star of David with all of the world's evils. You see it simply on placards in anti-Israel demonstrations. Israel, Zionism, the Star of David are equated with colonialism, racism, apartheid, Nazism, genocide. So that's on placards, but the placard strategy gets laundered through international bodies that give it basically the kind of imprint of authority because in the past the imprint of authority for anti-Jewish hatred and sentiment was the church. And then with racialized antisemitism the authority was pseudo-science. And now the bodies of authority in our world are the international bodies, human rights organizations. So it's not a coincidence that these repetitions of equating Israel, Zionism, the Star of David with all of the world's evils are laundered through international bodies. You saw it in the clip just now of the opening speech.  This is a long standing strategy that has been in operation, has actually been launched by the Soviet Union in the 1960s, continuing to the Tsarist Russia protocols of the elders of Zion. And they have established first the notion of equating Israel, Zionism, and the Star of David with all that is evil and then laundering it through the authority of international bodies. And Xavier, speaking about that laundering of those terms of we've heard ethnic cleansing, white colonia, suppressor. You've described yourself as a former woke ally, a former Black Lives Matter activist. You're now a conservative activist. And before we get into that discussion I want to take a little bit of a look at some of the stuff that you've been putting online to debunk some of the mass misinformation floating on social media by the so-called woke movement on the Israel Hamas war. Let's take a listen. Why are y all still spreading misinformation that is so easy to debunk? Look at the decline of Jewish population in these Arab countries. Now look at the flourishing Arab population in Israel, the one and only Jewish state. So tell me again, who's ethnically cleansing whom? Xavier, you've decided to take it upon yourself. But to come here to Israel to show support and also see with your own eyes what has happened here in the southern Israeli communities that were completely destroyed by Hamas. Firstly, I want to get a little bit of an illustrating of how that experience has been like for you. Coming from the United States, we've heard so many people just simply say this hasn't happened, it's fake. Yeah, so this is my second time visiting Israel. And the first time I came, I didn't know much about Israel. I heard all different types of conflicting details of what was happening here. And what I always tell people, if you go to Israel thinking you're going to see in apartheid state, you're going to realize that it could not be any further from the truth. So I did come here. I'm seeing the devastation with my own eyes. I'm seeing the lies just play out in ways that are just profound to me. Propaganda is the oldest trick in the book. And it's certainly not something new that's to the Jewish community that has been combating that for, I want to say centuries, but really millennials now. And I am just so proud as a black American Christian Zionist to be here to stand in solidarity with the Jewish community and with Israel as we try to easily debunk these lies that they keep desperately trying to spread because they are morally brilliant by spreading these lies, but they are just ethically bankrupt because there is no ethics to what they're doing. This propaganda that they're spreading is really costing people their lives. It's costing people their livelihoods over in America. And I have so many people who are trying to even hunt me down.  I'm having to go to the police station because these people are so passionate in their hatred towards the Jewish community and towards Israel. And I want to ask you, what do you say to critics that accuse you as you said of being a Zionist and the quote being on the wrong side of history here ethnically cleansing white colonial suppressor that is carrying out a so-called war crimes? What do you say to them? I just think it's foolish. I think it's so easy to see which side is the truth. I made the mistake in the past. I used to call this conflict complex. Really, it's very simple. You have one side that is comprised of musty terrorists who are completely fueled by hate, have always been fueled by hate. It's even in their charters to be fueled by hate. And then you have the state of Israel, the state that is always defending itself, that is not initiating these conflicts. Yet for some reason, the media tries to present Israel as the villain in the situation. But if you look in every single incident that has happened in this conflict, Israel has never been the one to initiate. Israel has tried to come up with a compromise on numerous different occasions, has bent over backwards to cater to the Palestinians. Yet, every single time, it's like the hand that is feeding them is bitten. And I just don't understand how people can possibly say that they're doing their research, yet be so confused about this subject. And you mentioned the concept of complexity in this conflict. But in your opinion, why is the woke movement getting this conflict, the Israel-Hamas War, so wrong? Do you think that it's a sort of oversimplification of taking the conflict of racism that we've seen played out in the United States and applying it to here in the Middle East where it's not a question of black and white here?  If you say that there's only two genders, they'll say you're transphobic. If you say that black people aren't oppressed in America and that we're not victims in America, they'll say that you're racist. And now they're saying that if you stand with Israel, you are genocidal somehow, which makes absolutely no sense considering Israel has been the ones combating against genocide for so long. But this is all their strategy. You have social media and that's the only outlet that most people, especially Gen Z and millennials, are getting their information from. And TikTok is intentionally fueling this fire by promoting the people who lies, promoting the people who are just spreading the most incorrect information.  Dan, the South African defense team, if we're gonna talk about facts here, as does also accuse Israel of displacing Gazans amid the fighting. Tell me a little bit about the efforts the IDF takes to minimize civilian casualties amidst the fighting. Despite the complexities of urban warfare and some of these tactics, no other Western army would ever even think about taking them on themselves. Well, look, there's an irony here in that the fundamental thing Israel has done is to try to get the civilian population out of the way. About a million people are more from Northern Gaza were in the early days of the conflict asked to move to Southern Gaza specifically to avoid civilian deaths in Northern Gaza. Now I'm not saying this was some wonderful situation with the people who were displaced, but it was clearly for their own good. Once that happened, then you have the claim of ethnic cleansing because they were moved from one place to another. It is part and parcel of a propaganda war against Israel that as Xavier is saying is based on simplistic notions and a basic misunderstanding of essential things like who instigated the state of Gaza attacked Israel on October 7th in an unbelievably barbaric way that left it with almost no choice, but to go about attempting to remove the source of the evil that attacked it. Now any country would do this. What Israel does to minimize the civilian casualties is to try to hold fire as much as possible and yet shorten the war. Now these two things are in opposition. If it really did very little, the war would be longer and politically unsustainable. So there's a lot of variables here. They're difficult to know where the optimum is, but I wouldn't say Israel was free of failures in this campaign, including the fundamental failure of public messaging and of diplomacy. It's very difficult to tell a story without knowing where you're going, where you want the story to end. If Israel had said from day one, we want two things in Gaza. A, Hamas not being empowered because it is in their charter that they want to genocidally destroy us. And B, we don't want to occupy Gaza. We're looking for other options and we do understand probably the least bad option is an improved Palestinian authority. That will be a story you can tell the world, but the government of Israel, unfortunately contains right wing elements whose outrages are helping the prosecution here. Right, and then Netanyahu did put out that message, but perhaps a little too late. Too late, exactly. Dan Perry, Xavier Jules, so thank you very much, and we'll also on Zoom, thank you all for joining me today. Meanwhile, the IDF's fighting continues against Hamas terrorists in southern Gaza's Hanyunis, a magazi in the strip center. In the past day, the Israeli military has uncovered a vast Hamas tunnel, 20 meters deep underground, running under the city of Hanyunis, where hostages are believed to have been held by Hamas in very difficult conditions, including in cages. CNN's Nick Robertson went down to get a look for himself. Take a look. Hanyunis, a gunner's view, driving in, scouring the landscape for threads, problem for these IDF troops, their enemy is mostly hiding in tunnels, they say. The biggest issue is the fact that we're actually maneuvering above ground, underground. Goldfuss, who commands Israel's biggest military division ever, is adapting.  He's invited CNN to go deep into the tunnels. We are told this is the heart of Hanyunis and that hostages are likely underground nearby and that some were held here. This tunnel we're going in here is one where some of the hostages were held, that first round of hostage releases. Some of them came out from down here. So how deep does this tunnel go? Our first time to get up close to what's shaping this war. We are moving underground, we are maneuvering underground, we are going to reach every, each and every militant or each and every terrorist underground. No modern army has had to fight above ground and underground like this before. How is that to do it? It's difficult and it's just going to be a very, very hard, long fight. To see just how hard. He takes us deeper. So we came down a metal ladder, we've come down one flight of stairs, we're going down a second flight of stairs here, a double flight it looks like. And down here command and control wires, we're running all the way down. It's a deep, deep system. How deep are we underground do you think right now? At the moment we're more or less between 10 to 15 meters underground. 10 to 15 meters. And now we're going down another level. Down more steps. We're about to go down again another level. My solo, my head keeps banging off the roof. What are we looking at here? This is a small room. With some kind of air ventilation system. An air ventilation system that goes up and build a metal frame around the door. These metal frames, this can be as much as this is a small room. This is how the different cages that they put, the kidnapped. So they were holding cages.  And down here you really can't hear anything. What's going on in the outside world? Now we must be 20 or 30 meters down? We're almost 20. Almost 20. So they have tunnels three times as deep as this? Three times. What's clear? What's clear here? The money, planning and preparation invested for a long siege. We're 20 meters underground here. 20 meters.  And it's even painted. There's place for a light bulb. And light switches. Tiled. The labyrinth keeps going. Okay, now it's so low. We're getting down on our knees to get through. All right. Goldfish pauses, lays out his path to victory. Underground it's Hamas. And we have to reach this Hamas core to finish them off. But those Palestinian people above ground are also dying still? I understand that. I understand. That's why we're trying to do it as fast as we can. Yesterday there were mortars and rockets fired from north of Gaza into the state of Israel. Into the civilian part of Israel. So as long as those rockets are coming out of northern Gaza the people of the south who have moved to the south can't go back to the north? As long as we haven't carried out our mission all the way as long as we haven't finished this mission I don't think we'll leave here. We head back half an hour underground. We've seen only a fraction of what we've seen before changing labyrinth. Goldfish's challenge find all the others. Nick Robertson, CNN Juan Eunice Gaza. And let's cross over to I24 News correspondent Pierre Klochenler, he's in Reim in southern Israel, the site of the Nova Music Festival where hundreds of young party goers were killed, raped and mutilated by Hamas Terrace on October 7th. Pierre, what's happening where you are? Well, there are families of hostages that went to the borders a few kilometers away from there with loudspeakers with megaphones and they shouted Itay Reine I'm your mother I'm your father I'm your sister, your brother we're working incessantly with the Israeli government with the international community to bring you home stay strong hold on some others don't have even the chance so to speak to have survived the massacre here at the Nova Fest where 364 people were killed, mutilated butchered, raped this is a man with a face with no name with plastic imperishable flowers with candles that have been extinguished memorial candles because of the wind and the rain and you have these people meandering with the poster of their relatives bring them home now it says on the poster and this is what the relatives of the hostages 136 many of them taken from here they were at the border shouting and we could hear it from here because there was a relay for us to see and hear and at the same time you hear the Apache helicopter gunships the artillery you see also the evacuation shoppers of wounded soldiers and everything here que se realizó el 7 de octubre the 136 hostages and the war that have been lasting for 197 days up until now Pia Klochen there a chilling reminder that it's still very much october 7th there in southern israel thank you very much for that update and that wraps this hour's broadcast here on i24 news to stay up to date on the latest news you can always go on our website i24news.tv or on social media I'm Sara Martinez thanks for watching