and I would say first of all I was like I was approached by Jabeen and she said hey as me now are you gonna help me moderate a panel I'm like yes I'm game to it and then I said who's on the panel right and she said we have Ruchi we have Susan and we have Tina I'm like oh wow all four ladies that's wonderful and a big hand I would say all of us are design leaders and I really want to celebrate the Jabeen has taken a wonderful initiative to get all four ladies on the panel yeah and moving forward you know I wanted to say that we've been discussing a lot of AI and we've been discussing a lot of future of design right and I wanted to probably first start with design leadership right we all are design leaders and I wanted to ask question to Tina first you know and a lot of young designers sitting in the audience what happens is we talk about a lot of good things you know when we come to conferences we talk about great ideas but when we go back on our desks you know we have limited budgets we have limited timelines and we have the same old mundane work right I wanted to understand from you Tina that you know how do you push the envelope especially with your designers and the tiny little budgets you know like limited scopes how do we do that I I would say especially when we are in a moment when we have new technology to use I mean this is really exciting but the hard thing is kind of getting out of that mundane you know out of the processes and the tools that were so used using those become very comfortable so when we do have new technology we really need to you know climb that hill our CEO the son Qadarzi has said he's compared AI to electricity so it's as transformative as electricity and electricity actually took decades to become widely adopted and so we know that we need we need to make that kind of a transformation to so a couple of things that we have done to kind of take our blinders off and increase our imagination around what we can do with the generative AI especially we've had demos so those are just very creative we had something that we called a craft bear in the spring and it was our AI craft bear and we had people demoing AI generated music AI generated art content presentations code I actually I'm an English major but I actually was able to use natural language to code something to just you know rotate it was pretty simple but it was really fun so demos is one workshops is another we've held at least three prompt design workshops to kind of build skills and then a third thing that we've done is little competitions little friendly competitions I've got one running right now where at the end of every week where I'm asking all of the designers on my team to share some experiment that you completed that week with generative AI and give us your tips what was whether it was fantastic or if it was a failure did you learn anything you know think critically about it what are your takeaways and then I give a hundred dollar spotlight to that person so and then that will become our our best practice at the end of the week that's wonderful thank you so much but I would say that doesn't stop Ruchi you and Suzanne to add in so you start having an active conversation around these new technologies you create spaces of people to experiment to fail okay to learn new things and also there is a little bit of hunch of not starting to use it oh my god will it take away what I'm doing so break away from that hunch be open and embrace in new different ways and let's experiment and see what comes out of it like there is no defined rule book yet there is no playbook yet we all forming the playbook as we go along but yeah pretty much exactly expanding on that Tina yeah I think I will just echo the themes that I heard both of you say I love Tina your emphasis on imagination and yours Ruchi on on experimentation I think that's our role as UXers is to listen the technologist develop the technologies I work for a technology company right that's what core does but it's our role on the UX side to say what are the kinds of experiences we can create and if you don't jump into that realm of imagining and experimenting and trying things out not being afraid to fail that's our role that is what we do that's the one of the big values I think that UX brings to these periods of brand-new bleeding-edge technologies as Rohan was talking about business right so you know we are often talking about experimentation and then being true to the business right and I wanted to understand you know how do you draw that fine line because you also want to take care of the ROI right you cannot be experimenting forever and you do not have the liberties at times so how do you manage that I you know it's it's a very small needle you're trying to thread on this we're lucky at core that that we our customers are very interested in the partnership they understand that this is the bleeding edge of technology and not every customer but many of them are willing to go on that journey with us you're right there are limits of course there are there's never unlimited budget or unlimited time but I think it's about the relationship between your organization and the customer and more and more clients are also we are consulting team right so more and more clients are coming to us with very complex questions they're saying hey whatever you do every day that's fine but these complex questions and also kind of new ideas how they're new perspectives so there is that space which we create and then you're right we have to balance with the usual BA you work in the ROI but the same time the clients want to stay ahead of the curve and they look at us as a consulting team to help them nudge them and show them new possibilities and of course some of them fly some of them don't fly that's the nature of design right that's how we work yeah I had a very interesting question and this question is for you Ruchi yeah I know IBM I've worked there before and we do a lot of enterprise large enterprise transformations right and we work with a lot of young designers and sometimes enterprise transformations are not that exciting because these are not B2C's and these are B2B's right and they're often stuck I would say like you know okay the client is not allowing us to exercise our creativity so how do you probably want to go forward in that area yeah so it's a it's a culture right for us to develop a culture and a space for designers to experiment you're right they are projects which are exciting and they're not so exciting right so we create those these kind of spaces where they can experiment with something new so recently we ran a hackathon for a usual design challenge but we say hey can you bring in lenses of say AI how can you use that extra scoring for that or maybe lenses of sustainability or different lenses which people can start thinking about so we start keep creating those pockets of excitement and pockets of exploration because at times projects becomes little mundane and people don't get the time to explore there there are other spaces of exploring and that kind of strikes a new idea so that's usually how we while the work goes on designers need something to always kind of chew on and experiment with and play around with so we create those spaces for them to explore and without any judgment just go and explore play with it and kind of do something and cause projects go on as usual on projects also we try to push the boundaries so also say hey go tell your clients what if we could do this again don't stop doing that often what happens is we start doing a certain kind of work and we start getting boxed in that kind of work so our general knowledge is to hey that's fine what you're doing every day but keep on asking little bit one step more ask your clients to experiment more and so that you can do more eventually with the clients too but yeah it's a mixed bag right it depends where you can but then create these spaces and we have a large studio it's 180 designers it's a huge team and there is this culture of constant learning in the smaller classes we keep on hosting in within the within the studio to keep that creative fire on for the younger designers they have so much to contribute to yeah that's a few things we would explore yeah Suzanne I was just gonna add one quick thing that we say often add into it which is fall in love with the problem not the solution and that is always a good reminder Suzanne I would just want to have a dilemma especially you know specialized with conversational UX right I bought a new car and in that I have a little AI enabled chat or I would say assistant and the day I bought that car the car the assistant could not recognize my voice yeah and I was like okay now I've shut it down completely because whatever command I say or whatever I'm trying to talk not able to understand that and I've also like you know especially I'm talking about India as a geography right I have worked with cognitive toys right where we had to shut down a project because the cognitive toy could not understand Indian dialects so I would want to understand more about that sure so this is a problem today this is this was a problem 35 years ago when some of the very first commercially available automatic speech recognition was coming into existence right the technology has advanced hugely but it's all an issue of how you train the algorithms it's it's not anything more exciting or more complex than that I had this conversation over breakfast this morning about how years ago the only voices that were reliably recognized at very high rates were white male North American voices and why was that it's because the engineering teams who were writing the algorithms were a bunch of white male North American guys that's how it happened when I started working with speech recognition technology my voice was not reliably recognized and I'm not talking about like long long ago in the past I'm talking 15 to 20 years ago one of the the major speech recognition providers it could not reliably collect yes or no responses from me and so listen it's it's there's an easy technological explanation for this but I think what technologists sometimes don't realize is that that feels from an experience point of view like bias you can understand his voice but you can't understand mine and so it's this is a real way in which we should be leaning into the new AI capabilities the ability to ingest huge amounts of data because there's no reason this should still be a problem localization should no longer be a problem this is actually something that that's kind of exciting it's new ish I've just really learned about it in detail in the past month or so there are companies out there who will now sell you a custom ASR model so if you can provide them with real audio samples from your user base in the environment in which they're going to be interacting so for your example I'd want audio from inside a car right and from my intended localized population build a custom ASR model that's going to fit your users so it's it's we're moving in the right direction I think but there's there's a lot of opportunity for us to do better I think yeah the more you train the AI to accommodate different cultures different context different languages how you how you speak certain things and I interestingly just remember that I think last month time magazine had an interesting cover it said AI by the people saw the people and there was a startup and they usually so we have all these multiple languages in India and there were people who were recording that language and the startup used to give the profit a percentage of profit back to those people in the villages etc to kind of incentivize them for contributing and training these models and reinforcing this learning with new models so this work is happening as we speak now I'm hoping that technology matures as you know we are doing this effort in the right direction I'm just a lot of examples around this work is happening yeah thanks we have a lot of young crowd and you know they all start young and the experiment and they dabble a lot in different different areas and they end up becoming generalist you know and now when they come out and they say hey now where should I could be going because there's so much happening around me there's service happening there's like future AI happening so Tina this question for you I know what do you want to say what are the new avenues these young designers can look forward to and also like you know how can I be away from becoming a generalist I'm always so impressed with the new talent that we have coming in I can't believe the things that they're able to do you know like I said I'm an English major and so I came at design into content so content design is my specialty I do hear a lot about generalists and general generalization right now but I just encourage those new designers to get to know as many designers and different time types and kinds of designers as you can we have a new designer add into it who started about a year ago and she challenged herself this is a goal she set for herself to have 100 coffee chats in a year and I think she's almost there and she has learned so much we've also got another content designer who is a really great sketcher an illustrator and she's decided to take a rotation as a visual designer so I encourage all of that I mean the more that we can learn about each other and what we do the more empathetic designers we become anyway very well else wants to add to that I so listen I'm a subspecialty of a subspecialty I'm all in favor of finding that one thing that just ignites you that is your thing that gets you up in the morning that you can still talk about after doing this same job for way more years than than you want to admit that you're still excited about but you have to have what Tina talked about as well there right it too many of us in conversation design work in in our own little bubble right where we're apart from the rest of the community and that's one of the reasons that I think it's so amazing that that I'm able to be here with you all this week for this show so I think it's important to stay connected and learn as much as you can but I also think it's great to find your one thing and pursue that vigorously because you've been in IBM we follow a t-shaped structure so you have your wings and your depth so we say hey establish your wings as much as you can because that'll help you collaborate better and those could be things like you know agile or road mapping or PMing whatever intrigues you right so have a nice horizontal nice rich horizontal wing and then yeah then pick up one thing which you absolutely love to do you want to be specialized in it people should know you and call you for it that'll give you a sense of accomplishment on a daily basis so that t-shaped template is what usually our designers usually work on and keep on refining it some people have thicker T's they pick up two verticals and they go specialized in deep and some people have multi-layered wings because they keep on going through some other interesting skills and keep on kind of adding to this their tool kit right so depends it's a very creative exercise you've gone through I'm sure but yeah that's again just to kind of what you guys think something we do follow here that's nice and this reminds me that I was working with the university design school where I said let's have a hackathon where we have even the technical guys like the engineering team come in and not just have the design team come together like you know let's have to from the engineering side to from the design side we also had a fashion schools to from the fashion side that's have all come together and just do that right so again I would say like you know design studios are the most happening places in design teams right let's a creative you have illustrations on the walls and all of that but I often see the designers are still working with designers you're not working with the tech guys what do you guys want to talk and say anything about that repeat the question once again we're in catch it I'm just saying that you know what happens is like you know designers are always working with designers oh my god that's a great amazing point right so I've been chatting about my team with this right so the studio is a place the designers work and I my always not just to hate this not not make it a bubble because that way you're not kind of collaborating with your other functional leaders and you know kind of your developers your data scientists so welcome them in and they are their things you can learn from them and their things they can learn from you so yeah yeah I know designers like their nice cozy studio and each other because they echo but the constant push is because also in projects when they go to and kind of collaborate and learn from your other peers you will be surprised to know that a lot of the developers and architects have a lot of in-depth understanding of how they break problems and that's very similar to what how we break problems there are a lot of synergies there so yeah that's something which is a is an ongoing change you're driving but yeah we do get often in a bubble at times but that is break that and start kind of connecting with these folks a little bit more I think that's important yeah I'll say briefly this is one way in which I think conversation design is a bit different than the rest of the UX design community because the technology that we're working with like the way we do design is very bound up in the technology and in fact part of our UX team are the folks who develop those natural language models right that's it's a I would call it a technical UX role right it's UX because it's about how the bot understands what the user's saying right but so we're by definition in conversation design working a lot more closely with with technologists I'd say I'm not talk about the teams but I'll talk about ourselves you know there was a time when design was most seek after designers were rock stars and I would say it was something niche you know people did not understand design but with Jenny I with a lot of different things happening it's got democratized completely right and everybody has an opinion right how do you feel you know all your thunder's gone sorry what was the last part of it how do you feel how do you feel in this entire bitch you know because we've grown up as designers right and there was a time when we were and but now I see that everybody's got an opinion on design well that's an interesting one especially with you know what happened one year ago with chat GPT and I'm in content design and so all of the all of the talk was chat GPT is gonna take the writers jobs away and so you know we in my team issued a challenge again to the entire team to start using AI because we knew that we needed to check our assumptions because it's very very easy to say and I've seen it on slides I've seen people in our company say we are going to produce twice as much content with half the writers because we've got this new tool assumption I haven't seen it done yet I'm not saying it can't be done but we don't know how we don't know what it looks like we don't know how we're training you know the models to do this in the in our voice and tone we are still really just scratching the surface so we really have to check our assumptions I know that you know we can say that it's gonna take the writers jobs and then the writers are saying it's gonna take the illustrators jobs illustrators gonna say it's taking the coders job so we just don't know yeah there's so much we still need to learn I sometimes feel like the people who are making those predictions about how AI is gonna eat all of UX have a really naive understanding of what we do as UX designers and researchers you know that they think it's about making the pictures that you put up on the website or for in my world just writing the words that the bots going to say that is like the easy and fun part of design and it completely undercuts the rigorous intensive strategic work that we do to ensure that solutions are gonna meet the needs of end users very well said actually and you know design is equal to bioframing design is equal to creating a few things but they don't understand the depth of the practice and I think personally designers have lot of work to do with these tech coming in because you know what some of your repetitive work might be offloaded right your design systems you're maintaining some files you know yeah of course why not right but now you have time and capacity to build the muscle to actually solve harder business questions harder societal questions are harder user questions right so that's the time we are giving you now to do that because all this while you were really busy with all the other things and that might just get offered and that's good right it's good for you that it happens why not right if it can take the production work away you know what we want to do is is contribute in a more strategic way which I just wanted to further ask you another question you know where you know where does the man stop and the machine starts and when does the machine stop and the man starts yeah it's a very funny interesting incident right so and this is my kind of I got familiarized with AI back in 2018-19 when it was very early in North America and I was in Canada for a project I got introduced to that and I was asked to design the future of talent of acquisition talent acquisition so how will we hire right because recruiters do a lot of manual man job can I take it away and the first chart I remember I drew that he here is the end to end recruiting journey right from you know the you're onboarding our initial discussions etc and here are things which people are absolutely brilliant at like the superpower like relationship forming like understanding people that's absolutely stays with people because it's about people but things like filling up forms filling up mundane work of course that could be given to AI so in my mind that's the relationship and again it doesn't have to be it has to be in tandem if you need something yeah it comes in but in all the people specific relationships stays with people because you're best at it and anything which takes you too much of task and that's why I think that's where this partnership will work in and the more you do that this partnerships becomes richer and richer because you're alive at AI is learning right learning about you what you need and you are able to do more what you want to do and not with the mundane forms and the paperwork you have to do in a just an example that's where it did start off and again this is an evolving point of view but that's that's what I think yeah yeah it allows people to focus on the tasks that require human judgment right that's something that you're not going to get from chat GPT it'll have an opinion but how well informed that'll be you know is is another thing it's it's just like you said let let us get rid of the tedious parts and and do the some of the really important parts of design that that underlie that presentation layer probably I would say we've heard a lot of AI today right that's been an overdose of AI and everybody's taught us how to probably use it how to exploit it how to not use it there are different different topics today right which I wanted to probably learn from you today like you know we've been two days in this conference what are the three things which you're taking back I think as a designer myself I I think one thing we absolutely is and that was a hunch I had but I got confirmed in this conference that we absolutely have to go deeper into understanding people more right people's motivations what they value what bothers them what fears they carry what beliefs they carry I think I thought we should be doing it but I think my my that hunch God kind of confirmed all these discussions I've heard so designers understanding people deeply is something is absolutely non-compromisable and that has to has in fact if you're not doing already you know I would encourage you to maybe upskill yourself in that space but get a deeper understanding about people because that will help us shape more responsible AI and shape the tools which are meaningful for people so that's one thing I a hunch which got confirmed and I'm I'm gonna go and equip the teams with that yeah I said three yeah okay I said three things three things okay three things wow that's a hard one okay so this is like a personal thing right so I know there's a lot of discussion around business value business are why and again I am a commercial designer I do it for a living right but I think there are a lot more layers to these new technologies and I think in my talk also I covered those layers societal layers cultural real behavioral layers I think we have to think about those two again I understand we all have to be accountable for ROI but at the same time we also have to shape purpose-led businesses right if it's too much of commercial then the business is I think somebody use the word soul today I don't know who use that word that is it has to be a soulful business so again I think that's another takeaway that we should as designers keep our head a little bit like sane and also focus on how can we create purpose embed purpose in these business value we're adding and it's just not about just blindly the metrics but also about the value we bring in as designers yeah that's too top of my mind yeah anybody can pitch in the same one oh oh sorry go ahead checking your assumptions I think is is one again I just think that the assumptions that we have about what it can do for our jobs or what it will do to our jobs we have to get over that because that's gonna limit us and what we what we can do use the tools become expert users of the tools and watch out for bias I was just using chat GPT this morning to come up with a list of actors that you know had a certain criteria right and it gave me all men and I didn't ask for men I did say the word actor and not actress but the word actor applies to men and women it's a gender-neutral term gave me all men the same thing had happened a while back when I was I was trying to have AI create some personas and I was looking for a financial expert so I was saying you know give me a financial expert who does this and this and this and has these sort of characteristics all men until I would say okay now give me a female one that was the only time so watch out for those biases okay three things for me it's been really validating to me to learn that so many of us in the in the wider UX community share the way that folks in my corner of the world are thinking about generative AI that that we need to check our assumptions that we need to to yes capitalize on the amazing things we can do but in a way that still centers the user another thing and this is a super personal one so I've been coming to UX conferences not just conversation ones for you know 20 something years at this point and so many times I would give my talk about conversation design to eight people in a lecture hall this size at a conference this size thank you guys for discovering that conversation design is a thing and I'm also I this is sort of an add-on but I'll make it my number three which is I've been really gratified to talk to many of you who have said yeah I've had this little conversation design project and like I'm a good designer but I don't know if I can do this and so I'll say to all of you publicly what I've said to a few of you privately which is I would far rather have a UXer doing the conversation design than anybody else but there's extra stuff you need to learn the baseline that you have as a UXer will absolutely serve you in conversation design but inform yourself about some of the specifics thanks that's wonderful I want last question and then probably I'll open it up to the floor here the last question is like you know there was a time when we were all talking about I would say bitcoins and NFTs there were conferences right on that and then you had conferences on meta I remember consultants selling meta just last year and now everybody's selling gen AI you know I want to understand is this just a fad is it just a phase it's just a new boom I know AI has always been there but suddenly it's become the new flavor right so this is a question to all of you do you think it's here to stay is it something which will be forgotten is it something which will be leveraged what are your thoughts anyone so I think right now generative AI and large language models are both overestimated and underestimated it's underestimated when people are like it's just dumb machine it's not like a person well no it can do some truly marvelous things right it has the capability to to to ingest such an enormous amount of data and analyze it in ways that are kind of beyond what we can do as human beings so that's really amazing but we also overestimate it when we're like it's going to become sentient and it's going to to kill us all right um the the last slide that I didn't talk about in my keynote is this big philosophical debate right now that is going on in the conversational AI world which is should we be building artificial humans is that our goal to make your AI agent be as close as possible to a person as you can or should we be building good tools or people to make use of using conversation I I will admit I'm very firmly in the latter camp there there's actually a book in in from an earlier phase of conversation design that whose title is it's better to be a good machine than a bad person that's a nice one that was great I don't know what I could add to that but you had said it in your talk that we have had many forms of AI for actually quite a long time we've been using facial recognition on our phones and we've had text completion for our text messages and so we've been using a lot of these tools for a long time and it's true that generative AI has kind of you know taken over the headlines over the last year but it is just a tool it's a brand new tool for us just like you know these photographers have got a tool and what makes them special at using that tool is they are very skilled practitioners of the tool that they have and we just need to become skilled practice practitioners of this new tool also the question I was I was thinking about because still about six seven weeks back I had this hunch of my god this might be other fad they get let it pass but when I was preparing for the talk here I had a lot of research a lot of reading up on papers and watch the potential or what we could do with it and I have I think it's my personal thing it's not a fad that's one I think AI if used correctly if used responsibly if used in the right way which is adds value I think it has lots to contribute to our lives in different meaningful ways I'm not a very tool obsessed person honestly so I think the tools are a means to an end right you learn them it is like we have learned I'm from the era of Adobe Photoshop 5.5 and I have learned numerous amount of tools so I think it's yet another thing right so that doesn't matter as far as we are leveraging it for the right things we are building so in my mind AI is here to stay and that's I because all the rigor I'm seeing and so much of depth of thinking isn't your talk was really enlightening I never knew about all those concepts again what a depth it goes to and I think it's here to stay but it's all about designers to start learning about that depth appreciate that and work along with it I think that's where I think the focus would be yeah that's yeah so I think it's wonderful and I'm sure like a lot of people in the audience would have questions are you guys ready with your questions yeah we have a hand there can we pass the mic are you running out of mics then I can probably share this. Hello I'm Anisha and my question is how do you navigate through using AI tools when you're aware of all the moral and ethical ethical dilemmas around it that are yet to be resolved and as leaders of such big organizations is your team taking any steps on working around these dilemmas and are you solving some of these things within your team. So that was a little bit echoey but was the question about ethics and how we ensure that we are ethical dilemmas I think that's what I heard right yeah ethical dilemmas right so I think it's like anything you do like ethical right so there's a value system we all stand by right if you're using an AI tool for anything you're doing it's important to source it and say hey this is what AI did this is what I did it's very important to build that clarity and yeah like it's don't take the full credit right to just say hey this is where I come in I know the questions will raise and there was a question today somewhere in the talk that you know teams they undermine you for using AI tools but if they are then they are not ahead of time so you have to be using it for the right things and then of course give credit to whatever you've used so you're fair I think that's what my stance be that the value doesn't change like anything else you kind of you use your royalties your for your royalty free photos etc the values don't change I don't think that values change with AI as well yeah I would agree with that all of the same things that we've been that we've been teaching our designers to emphasize about inclusivity and ethics and being aware of bias we just have to keep talking about them so that we do recognize it when we see it and something about the way you you described that Ruchi reminded me do you guys remember this Edward Tufty paper about how PowerPoint corrupts thinking we have to be careful that we don't let this new tool corrupt our thinking right we as UXers have to maintain our same value structure in spite of having this new shiny tool that we get to play with right we still need to do responsible design hey hi my name is Manas I'm a product designer at cash fee payments there was just one thought going in my head something very interesting regarding the panel the discussion that we were having so largely if we see most of the AI bots right now are more of responders like we have we inspire some sort of a thought in my in our head like let's say create a pink elephant artwork and it will generate it for you will AI in the future inspire us to take an action so for instance one fine day out of the blue AI says hey Manas how about we create a pink elephant artwork today I have already ordered acrylic paints for you coming in seven minutes just a thought I'm really curious to know where is the boundary that we can draw just just want to leave you with that I well okay so so as I break down that the question that you have I'm hearing it as right now we as the human beings are taking the initiative in these conversations with AI and we're saying do this thing for me right will there come a day where the AI comes to us and suggests hey maybe you should try this I mean I think we some guardrails that are kind of there right now would have to be removed I'm not sure we want to remove those guardrails I mean you might want to in very specific cases right if you were if you were building an AI tool to inspire creativity right or to help in brainstorming or or some you know limited use case like that perhaps you'd want to remove the guardrails there but I don't know whether I would want my AI assistant tapping me on the shoulder telling me what to do on its own initiative you know I'm not talking about like a notification right I'm talking about it just decides hey today we're gonna talk about pink elephants I don't know I would say that I think that these assistants could get better at teaching the users how to use them because it right now a lot of times you're sort it's sort of like you're faced with that blank you know chat that blank chat box and it seems like a lot of users don't really know the right questions to ask or how to phrase them or what can you really do so I think the the bots themselves need to do more training I think what you said right manners for me it'll be creepy if they are dust that and I'm hoping they're not building it somewhere I'm hoping we're not doing that I'm hoping I will always have agency and control on how much I want AI in my life if I'm okay with AI tapping my shoulder and saying hey why did you do this yeah yeah it's a personal choice right but if I'm not okay with it and say hey I will I activate this AI when I need to activate it that's my choice so I hope these systems don't take away my choice of deciding my own boundaries and it can vary person from person I'm I'm able to take a switch on off in some way in that way I hope that's the case but I don't know I'm the work is happening since it's progressing as we speak but yeah just to your question you know a thought came in my mind was like how much time are you ready to spend with AI right the more time you'll spend probably you'll get friendly with you and then start tapping on your shoulder right it's completely up to you like how much are you going to be training it and how much are you allowing it to come into your sphere yeah there was one more question yeah so hello so yeah so we learned a lot of information today about AI and a lot of things a lot of methods a lot of jargons as well so I mean most of the people in the panel I feel like are from companies where they're large-scale teams right so what about small-scale teams where you know something like stakeholder collaboration is easy where there's a lot of network for communication but there's also a lot of methodologies and most of it falls on the senior designers and they're always lost in this process thought of process and what to do and it often takes up the time right so how can AI help those small-scale teams in particular is what my question is. I can start right so I think some of the use cases which my team is experimenting on and that's a very consulting point of view right so you know we we go and meet clients and there's a lot of annual reports we read through a lot of data we read through to understand how their business is doing right and AI has pretty decent today a decent capability of summarizing and ask a PDF or question a PDF I can do that right I can share the public document within I say hey I am trying to look for these things can you quickly summarize I'm heading for a meeting or you have a small team you don't have capacity to do extensive secondary research of five people just sits reading papers you don't have that capacity I think that's one use case we've been experimenting with because we things have to move faster you need quickly want to ask the very specific questions and then you get going with that that's one use case secondly I think also in the research process very early when you have a lot of data transcribing kind of just quickly get them in neat format so I can start my synthesis that's another use case we've been looking at tools like dovetail etc which has these use cases again not yet formalized but some of those use cases where I can make a little bit things faster without losing the depth in the rigor of the process I think that's a starting point for us I'm sure you like to add more but yeah so there is do we have time for one more yeah please go ahead so traditionally users follow a call-to-action model right the users mental model is seeing number of clicks number of actions but for AI somehow we have moved to conversations why the mental model has changed and how we can adapt with it frame the question so you are saying that before AI came right we were like lesser number of clicks etc now we're okay to have long conversations that interaction models have changing a little bit is that what the question is anybody wants to attempt it's about web 2.0 and web 3.0 now right so where what you're talking about was web 2.0 right where the users were taking action right and now web 3.0 is where you know you're getting an action and you're getting an interaction right so that's the shift that's happening in technology I mean even the graphical user interface was not really a mental model that was something that we had to learn we had to learn that moving my mouse is going to move the cursor on the screen and clicking buttons I mean that is all learned and so I remember thinking that you know when we were first experimenting with chatbots and conversational interfaces I thought this is incredible this is going to blow the UI away because what could be more natural than conversation this is something that we all know how to do but talking to our software as it turns out is not that easy so we still have to learn how to do that yeah that's a wrap I would say but before we leave I wanted this question for Tina answers and both how do you feel spending time with UX India and what are your takebacks from India I'll just say the last time that I was here was three years ago in Bangalore right before the COVID shutdown and we've been building our design team in the Bangalore office you know over the past few years and I'm just blown away at the design talent out here it's really impressive thank you and and similarly I will I will say that I've been amazed at the really hard questions you guys have been asking me I think that's one of the big benefits of getting outside of my little bubble I've been so impressed with with the depth of your thoughts around how conversation changes things and and and I've also felt extremely welcome so I'll thank you all for that


Hey everybody, welcome back to the channel today. I'm going to be talking about how to install DWM on Ubuntu and Pop OS now this process should be Perfectly similar between these two operating systems because Pop OS is just a derivative of Ubuntu So everything should be exactly the same. I'm going to be doing this on Pop OS So we're gonna see because I'm not actually done this on Pop OS before I've done it on Ubuntu a couple times So we're gonna this is going to be an experiment So let's jump over to my Pop OS install so the first thing we're going to want to do is open up a terminal and This is just known terminal and we'll zoom in here so that you can actually see it and make it bigger So the first thing we're going to want to do is install some dependencies so we're gonna want to make sure especially if you're using a headless version of Ubuntu of some kind you're gonna want to make sure you have a few packages installed So you're gonna want to do sudo app install And we want to build the essentials installed build That's essentials. You probably already have this This is just gonna basically install make and a few other things. We're gonna want to do lib x11-dev Okay, and we're gonna want to do lib Xenorama-dev and I believe share utils is actually depreciated no, it's still there good and then we're going to do lib Xft-dev and I believe that's it. We might be missing one. We're gonna find out because Depending on what tutorial you look at online. You'll find different dependencies. So we won't know until we make We make it for the first time whether or not Okay, so it's a bit of essentials is not available Because I probably spelled it wrong. Yep, that's because there's no s There's no s There we go We'll wait for the install shouldn't be too. It shouldn't take too very long Now what we're going to want to do is make a folder where we're gonna put everything So we're gonna want to want to do cd.config. Okay, and we're gonna make directory DW or actually we're gonna do is make directory suckless Because DWM is not gonna be the only suckless utility we install here So we're just gonna make directory suckless and then cd into that directory and Now we're gonna want a web browser open up Firefox your favorite web browser and navigate to suckless.org Or and we'll zoom in a bit here so you can actually see first one want DWM And we'll scroll down here until it gives us the Thing we need We just copy and paste this underneath development. Oops just control C and then control shift V Oh, you're gonna want to actually I'm sorry. We're not quite there yet We're gonna want to make sure we have a couple other things install sudo apt install get W get and curl Looks like those are already installed on this system. They may or may not be for you You just want to especially get you're gonna need to get for sure now we can control V Control shift V and clone that that's gonna take a minute Okay, and then the next thing we're gonna want to do is go back up over here and go to ST and Scroll down here to development again copy and paste copy this paste oh Yep, we're gonna want to make sure we're still in the suckless folder and paste that command Wait for that. So that's gonna be the terminal that is a dependency for DWM unless you've changed the code So like I've changed the code in mind to be termite But in this case, we're just gonna go ahead and use ST and Then the last thing we're gonna want to do is D menu. So we're gonna go to tools D menu and we'll copy and paste this right here Again, this is one of those things that you have to have in order to use DWM. So We'll Do that now we want to do go into CD DWM and We'll do an LS here. We got some stuff here. We have not made this yet. So we're gonna go ahead and make and make install this We'll see if we've gotten all the dependencies or not. So we do just to make It made fine. So pseudo make install and And work just fine, okay, and we're gonna CD into the st folder Okay, and we do another LS. We've got some stuff here. We do a make and a pseudo make install That may just fine so we're gonna CD into the DW or the D menu one D menu And we do an LS and again, we have a whole bunch of stuff here and we do make That may just fine and pseudo make install And again, that is done fine. Now, honestly, we're done All we have to do now is get to the point where we can actually Find DWM in the login manager and we do that by going to see we're just gonna CD into our home directory here Okay, and we're gonna want to Now if you like I said if you're on a headless directory, this is gonna or a headless installation of Ubuntu This is gonna be a little bit different because you're probably not gonna have this directory, but we're gonna CD into user So usr slash share slash X sessions Okay, now if you do not have that like which is probably only gonna be if you're running a headless version which means without a Desktop environment already installed if you already have a desktop environment already started you're gonna have this because you're gonna have a Login manager of some kind. So if we do it now last right here, we'll just see that right now All we have in there is the pop dot desktop. That's the only desktop environment That would be available to you upon logging if you didn't change it. So what we're gonna want to do is pseudo touch DWM desktop Okay, now if we do an LS, there's a DWM here and we want to Either Vim or nano into this if you've never used them. Just go ahead and use nano. I'm going to use them DWM desktop and actually you need to make sure you're using this is root for you root privileges So this is gonna make sure you pseudo Vim DWM desktop Now Vim is not actually installed on this system. I didn't even know that pseudo apt install them Yes, you can't why Vim is not installed by default. I mean, that's just travesty Anyway, so we can do pseudo Vim DWM desktop. Okay, now we're gonna want to type this exactly. So we're gonna want to do brackets oops Insert mode bracket desktop Make sure you spell this all right Entry I will paste this into the video description below So that you can just copy and paste this if you want I don't have copy and paste set up between this and the virtual machine The virtual machine and my regular machine. So I'm gonna type it out manually, which is fine The next thing I want to do is encoding coding Equals UTF dash eight Okay And the next thing I want to do is name equals DWM and yes, it's capitalized the ways, you know, it's supposed to be capitalized comment equals The dynamic Window Sure. Oops Okay, and then then you exec equals DWM Okay, and icon equals DWM and type equals X session and Then you're gonna want to make sure you put a space after the end of it Okay, whenever you're ready writing a configuration file from scratch always leave a space at the end because sometimes it needs it Sometimes it doesn't it's always just better to leave it there just in case. Okay, and I'm going to make sure I go It went through and and type all this correctly and coding ENCO DI and G UTF-8 Yep name DWM Comment equals yep exec yep icon Yep, and type X session. Yep. Okay, and then you're just gonna want to write and quit this. Okay now If we've done everything right, and I think we have we can close this and we can close this Thank You Firefox close and we can Log out and Log out here, which you and you should go back to your display manager and we You type we click on your name and down here. There's a little icon. You probably can't see it We just select the UWM instead of pop and to your password and BAM you have DWM now if you do No, remember the default key bindings are a little bit different. So I believe That alt shift enter will get you a terminal which it does and this is This is ST. I cannot zoom in actually I should be able to do that. I should be able to do shift page up Yeah, there we go Control shift page up is zoom in in ST. So as you can see this is ST, which we installed Alt and P will get you DWM or get you D menu so you can actually so if you want to watch Firefox You can watch Firefox in that way And it for whatever reason it installs or automatically opens up on tag 9 You can move it by doing Mod shift and one or alt shift in one now. We'll go to one. You got to remember now if you wanted to change your Key bindings so to close something it's alt shift and C okay So those alt shift C is to close alt P is Is D D D menu alt shift enter is a number another terminal so alt shift C Alt shift Q would get you out of DWM Completely, okay, it would just take you back to the log manager. All right I'm not gonna go through all the processes of changing those key bindings Maybe I'll do another tutorial on that someday But this is how you install DWM on Ubuntu and pop us. It's exactly the same on Ubuntu It's actually mostly the same on Arch as well The only difference is if you're on like an arch based distro, you will not have to install those dependencies They should be there automatically It will just be a matter of creating your suck list directory get coding all the three things we needed to clone Adding your X sessions file and logging out and logging back in that's literally it. Those are the differences So that's how you install DWM on Ubuntu and pop a West easy peasy, right? I can't even begin to tell you how Intimidating it felt the first time I tried and completely failed and honestly especially on Ubuntu with those three or four dependencies that you have to install Are probably the biggest hurdles anybody has it on Ubuntu because there's no instructions anywhere that are consistent There's just not yeah, it's really annoying because no matter what tutorial you find online They all have slightly different utilities and like that's as you that what was it called the SH are a are Utils may not be available on Ubuntu and you may not even need them What I will say is that um if you go through and make your DWM like I did here and you get an error it says Something's missing. It will give you the name of the file and you should just be able to install that via apt And if it's not the exact name just google whatever it comes up with and you should be able to find it just easily If you do have problems leave in the comments below You what problems you're having and I should be able to be able to walk you through how it differs from what I've done So thank you for watching Make sure you follow us on Facebook and Twitter of Twitter comm slash Linux cast Facebook comm slash Linux cast You know also support us on patreon at patreon.com slash Linux cast Again starting in March everyone will tier 2 and 3 will get early access to all of our videos and podcasts And on that note, I would like to thank Devon see and Marcus B for being our patrons Thanks fellas, and I'll see everybody else later. Thanks for watching. Stay safe


So this is a new camera here at Ella's vision with a dome and infrared. So hello. Hello, Sissy here and this is our new camera housing for dome camera IP66 standard. So this is all weather, it works in every weather. Yeah. And it has a rotatable, you can show, you can turn it different place. Yes, this one can do the tri-excel. You can see here, here and also here. And this is for night vision? Yes, this is an IR array which has more longer service life than the normal LED. So it can work at night and we have right here. This is the quality, this is 4 megapixel? This one is 5 megapixel and 10 FPS. And this is just an example of some of the latest, this is also one of the latest here? This is also one new housing, it's a mini-dome camera, like a UFO. Alright. This is also, what's going on here? This is also the IR. IR here, yeah, it can support 15 meters, night vision, 15 meters. Alright. And it's also a new housing for small bullet. Okay. So all those are new designs you have? Yes, and this is a big bullet, which has longer IR night vision. And the big bullet, you can do a zoom with it? Yes, here. You can see the 4 megapixel one. Yeah, let's do a test. So it can zoom in and zoom out directly by the mouse wheel. Alright. So it has optical zoom? Yes, optical zoom. And you do face detection based on your, this is hardware? Yes. And here is our NVR face detection function. Each NVR support one channel, first channel here. And it can catch your face. Okay. There. And then basically it's automatically? Yeah. Automatically. And you can do the video playback according to my face. Nice.  Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you want to find some videos accordingly to somebody will be more convenient. So this is the latest range. You have so many CCTV cameras. Yeah. And this is the latest, the latest, the most special one you have right now. Yes, yes, yes. Alright. That's how it looks. And it's here. What are the internal structures? The internal structures are mental holders, which can... CMOS, iris motorized, motorized lens. IR distance. And also, all the internal structures are mental, which can make sure that the working temperature from minus 40 degree to 70 degree. To plus 70. So very hot desert is okay. Desert is okay. Yeah, okay. Cool. So you have customer all over the world. Yeah, over the world.


Oh, we're putting on the boots today. Uh-huh, you know what that means. Chevy, you coming with us?  Timmy's. And Chevy's. The best of them all. Chevy, he's a little less nervous in my vehicle for some reason. There's more room for him back there. I'd like to have a full-size pickup, eventually. But one day, far in the future. Not on the plans right now at all. Not even written down anywhere. Not even in the future plan book yet. No, not even in the, well, it's on a bucket list. It made it on the bucket list. Yeah. So we're gonna go see a few more Manitoba attractions today, see how many we can get done. I think we might be able to cross off six. And we're also taking. Six? Yeah. Holy smokes, you're ambitious. Six and two hours, eh? I think so, because they're all around sort of the same area. Oh, okay. I think. We'll do our best, guys. We'll do our best. We'll learn a little bit more about where we're from. And let the Chevy go for a Chevy run. Hey, Chevy. Blue rims. Wouldn't be my personal choice, but it doesn't look bad, but it sure stands out.  Everyone will know exactly whose car was there. I guess as long as you're not getting into any trouble, it doesn't matter. So we ended up at the old flying hook. There's a familiar sight for you. Haven't been to one of these in a couple of weeks. Chevy, you remember these? Where's mom going? I know that's all you're worried about. You needed a bathroom break. So the first sight we're gonna go see actually isn't even on the 101 roadside attractions in Manitoba. I don't know why, because it's an important and a special one to me. It's the Mennonite Landing site. I'm gonna Google it here for you right now. Mennonite Landing, that's what it's called. This is the spot where my family landed on the shores in Manitoba when they first set foot in Canada in 1876. At least on my mom's side, we have the records. And this is a Mennonite Memorial Landing site. Is it gonna give me a description? So there is a monument there and I don't know why I didn't make it onto the website, but we're gonna go there because it's there and we know it's there. So it's a monument at the confluence of the Rat River and Red River in the rural municipality of Rishott. It commemorates the arrival of the first group of Mennonite settlers in Western Canada on August 1st, 1874. Sorry, I said 1876 in the last clip. It is 1874, the site is right. It's when they first stepped into Canada at that very site. They took a paddle boat up the river from Fargo. They came from Northwestern Germany and the Netherlands and they took a boat over to England. They went to Liverpool in England by train, I guess. From Liverpool, they took a ship and landed in Newfoundland first and then went to Halifax and went down the St. Lawrence River past Quebec City, past Toronto, then they took a train from Toronto down to the ship port, I guess, which was on the Great Lakes. They took a ship through the Great Lakes and they landed in Duluth, Minnesota. From there, they took a train across to Fargo, North Dakota, which is down the road here and in Fargo, they took one of those big steam ships. It was like a paddle ship. They took that up the Red River into Canada and where the Rat River and the Red River meets. That's where the ship docked and landed and where they first stepped foot into Southern Manitoba. So we just turned off Highway 200 here, which runs along the Red River. The Rat River is right down there and it meets the Red River, which goes that way towards Winnipeg. And we have the diary of, from my mom's side anyways, I think it's my mom's great, great grandpa? My mom's great grandpa. I don't know. The first one is that this is where they first set foot in Canada when they first got off the boat. It was just down here on the riverbank. I can't believe this isn't in there. So there's actually 102 that we're gonna go and see in Manitoba, 102 roadside attractions. So we're about to Christmas see some artwork in there. Oh yeah. I know that they didn't used to have this sign here, but recently they've had to put this here because people were driving their cars in there and wrecking the site. It's the first time I've ever been here. This word all began for us and our story out here. By Jack Boulet, look at this beautiful artwork here. Actually, he did a great job. Nice. Jack, I think it says Jack. Yeah. So I'm walking on the exact soil that my ancestors walked on when they first stepped foot here. This is what they saw. Oh, and there's a monument plaque right there. See the rat river goes in there. We'll go check that out in a bit. See what this says over here. That's the plaque. Oh, and has a picture of the steamship that they took, the paddle boat that they took up from Fargo. Yeah, though it's middle old. In Mennonite Memorial Landing site, this is the site of the first landing of Mennonite settlers in Western Canada on the 1st of August, 1874. The international A steam powered riverboat landed here with the first contingent of 65 families. My family was one of them. Who knows, maybe mine were on there. Yeah. Between 1874 and 1880, some 7,000 Mennonites came to Manitoba from German speaking colonies in South Russia or what is now Ukraine. The majority arrived at this spot making their way six miles east to the Jacob Shantz reception houses near Niverville. From this base, they established some 54 villages on the East reserve. Present day rural municipality of Hanover. Many of the settlers would soon relocate to the West reserve, Yanzit, across the Red River in the vicinity of present day Winkler and Altona. Others established a third settlement block along the scratching over in Morris. These Mennonite men and women were among the first Europeans to establish farm communities on open prairie. They also became known for successfully transplanting their non-resistant church centered ways of life. We gratefully acknowledge their, what is that? Bequithal. We greatly acknowledge their bequithal of courage and faith in God. And the trip to get here took them, I believe three months from when they left and a lot of the children on the journey died on the way here. And there's actually graves along the railway in Ontario where children died on the trip because they were in such close quarters and back then sanitation wasn't a thing like it was today. A lot of them died on the journey and everyone who died on the seas, on the open sea out in the ocean coming from Europe over here, they were just buried at sea. The records we have of our family, I believe they had two children that they lost on the journey here. All to get here to the land of freedom and away from where they were, where they were being oppressed because of their religion and their faith. So they started off in the Netherlands and in Germany and they got pushed out of there by the churches in the area there. Like I said, back in the day everyone was fighting over religion and they moved to East Europe where they settled and were happy for quite a while and then Russia took over. That was in the days of the Soviet Union, I guess. Well, it was 1874, who's in charge there then? Present day Ukraine anyways. And so they sought freedom in the new world in Canada here and we're still here. Look at me. I'm still here to this day. This is right where the boat docked. So Rat River goes down that way and that's the big mighty Red River. I guess that stick marks the spot where the boat was. I don't know, not sure exactly. It's my first time I've ever been here. A little bit muddy down here. Chevy, you might not want to get your paws all muddy. Come this way, Chevy, come on. So we were just down there. Apparently there's another pier over here, you say? Another fishing spot. Oh, okay. Little trail leading through here to the red. Oh, okay. I see like a natural pier. Oh, and look at this. There's like a little drainage canal in here. It looks like it was man-made. Interesting, yeah. Imagine coming up the river here, eh? In a paddle boat, completely unfamiliar with the land. Nothing was developed. There was nothing really here, not very much anyways. There was some, not very much. And not knowing you just traveled across the world, having family members die on the way just to get here. And when you get here, you got to start from scratch. This is all you see. You got to clear the bush, uproot the trees, level it, find wood to build shelter, build your home, all before winter. Immune's Pality of Hanover, I believe, is actually the most prosperous area of Manitoba. So they've done a good job. They were successful. Come on, Chevy. I guess for me, it's a big landmark, but I guess for other people, like most people wouldn't even know this was here because it's just on the banks of the river, right?  True, well, Quebec have a whole province. I mean, the French have a whole province. We don't get our own province. Chevy, come on. We just get our own municipality. Yep, and we're a quiet bunch of people. Very, most of them are not like me, sharing and talking to the world. Most of them are very closed in and tight-knit community. So I wouldn't blame people for not knowing much about us. Okay, we'll go and see one more. I was gonna go see the ones in Altona today and Stewartburn, but we don't have time for that today. We'll save that for another day. We have time, we just don't have sunlight. Yeah, that's what I mean, the sunlight. The sun's going down on us real quick. There's only 330 and we're already racing to beat the sun. Yeah, less than an hour till the sun's setting big time. So just down the road from here, those of you who've traveled down Highway 75 in Manitoba, south of Winnipeg, you'll probably notice a tiny little church between the highway. That's actually one of the landmarks. A beautiful little church. It's just called Small Church. And I don't know if there's any info on it here, but we'll have to go and check it out. There's a tiny little church right between the highway lanes. So right between Lord Selkirk Highway. Let's see what that's all about. I always wondered what that's doing there. Yeah, I know. It's cute though. I've always admired it every time we've driven by. The highway on this side, we might have to access it from the other side. Pretty sure that's where the driveway is. How many of you have seen this? This is a popular route for anyone coming to Western Canada or going to the Eastern US from Western Canada. We're gonna have to go to the other side. I see that. Nice little U-turn right here. That's big Dooley. Yeah. Oh, beast. The Red River is just behind that house over there, just off to the right. This highway follows the river towards Winnipeg and this highway turns into Pembina once you hit the perimeter or once you hit St. Norbert, I guess. See, there's the river down there. There she is. That's a small church right there. And I wonder why it's here? Like, do people actually hold services here at 1.0 under? There's a cemetery here. Is it the church? Yeah. They have a highway address, 35106, Provincial Highway 75. Huh. There's gotta be a reason why this is here. See, it's got like a chimney right there. That was probably the only source of heat when it was built. Probably got a wood stove in there or something. They took the cross down on the top there. It did used to have a cross up there. It's right between the highway. See, you got Highway 75 South going down that way over there. You got Highway 75 North going up there. So these people here who have been laid to rest get to be serenaded by the beautiful sounds of 18 wheels humming past on both directions.  Maybe this is where I should be buried. Right between the highways. Exactly. She said so I can always hear the humming of the truck tires in both directions. Right in the middle of the highway. This would be fitting. There's a lot of room here yet. So it looks like it's not full. I don't wanna walk on any of them. So I wanna see who was buried here and when. Why? Hamilton Leonard, John Emery, 1867 to 1997 and Margaret Elizabeth, what does it say? 1870 to 1945? I don't think that's 1997, right? And that says 1897, eight, what? Okay, we can walk beside it here. Get a little bit of a better look. Someone needs to come here and take care of these. They're falling over. That says 1867 to 1837? No, that's a three, 1937. 1937, so 1867 to 1937 and his wife lived from 1870 to 1945. So his wife outlived him. Okay, so it was in the 40s that they were buried here. This one was, this was a newer one, 1985. They're all the same name. Famu-len-er, Famu-len-er. Famu-len-ay, Famu-len-ay? It's probably French, right? I love the tire sounds going past here all the time. So these three here are one family obviously and you get another family over here. James and Martha, 1858 to 1928, 1944. A lot of women out living their men over here by quite a bit. She lived till 44, he lived till 28. He's born in 1858. This one here, this is the Cox family. Oh, this guy, this guy was a pilot in the Royal Air Force. They're military graves, I bet. I bet that's why the men died so early. They probably died in war. World War I, or possibly just after, 1928. That's not, that was between the wars. This was Sergeant Pilot Harry K. Cox. Born on the 4th of March, 1923. Killed on active service, 1942. He died in World War II as a pilot. So I'm pretty sure this church looks like it's been moved here, because those cinder blocks underneath there, it looks like it's been placed down here. And I'm pretty sure someone once told me that this was moved here. Yeah, no plaque. Yeah, we have no idea. Yep, it's a Manitoba mystery. Do you know anything about this church? Let me know down below in the comment section. It'll be a very nice resting place. Oh, it's all got like that weird glass that you can't see through also, eh? So that was super neat. If you guys know how it got here, where it came from, or if it was built right here, let us know. What you got here, Weezia. What you got? People can barely see you, speak up. Sounds a lot of fun today. Just exploring around a little bit. There's not much we can do, and exploring on our own like this, and these is something to pass the time. We just, yeah, and get us out of the house that we don't go crazy. We have a very tiny house and it's nice to get some fresh air. And we just heard the news that our lockdown, which was supposed to be over December 10th, is now being extended to when? January 8th, and they have officially outlawed Christmas. I'm being a little dramatic here. I know, comments are gonna be, they didn't do that, trucker-tower. I guess the lockdowns are being extended into the new year. So truck drivers, they are still able to work, they are still able to drive. It's not like the trucking industry is shut down because the country wouldn't be functioning by this point, but. For reasons that I have discussed in past vlogs and reasons that are personal, I am just staying at home right now and keeping these videos coming to you. I do have a second channel though that I've opened up there. I do have other things that I have planned for the future. I heard the vaccine is supposed to be here next week. Yeah, there's two different vaccines that are coming into Manitoba next week. So, I'm gonna let the doctors and politicians take it first and see how they react with it. Right, Chevy? I'm not gonna be the first one to take it, but. Chevy, Chevy's protesting. Yeah. We want Christmas when Ms. Grandma and Grandpa and all my little boys. You guys following me? Well, weasel is. Chevy's just hoping we're gonna go that way. What's out that way? Ooh. No way.  I don't believe you. Convince me. All those eyes. Okay. Okay. Gotta put your collar on though, okay? All right, ladies. I'm coming up with you. Let's get some fresh air. Come on, boys. See, we got the Christmas lights all the way around the fence, all the way around the back there that match the house. It smells like smoke out here. Smells like actual smoke. Where's that coming from? Someone having a bonfire? Huh. So these are the icicle lights that I put along the fence here in the back. I didn't have quite enough to go all the way around the yard, but I did have enough of these. Man, our old house was huge. What were we doing with all that space? Like really, we didn't need a house that big. Why'd we have a house that big? Oh, these lights turned off over here. Oh no, I think I know what the problem is. I think it is. Right there. Yep, I know what the problem was. Fix it, man, to the rescue. Whoa, easy. It's that wire right there. Wait till you see the front. The front of the house is where we have all of our, like about 10 to 20,000 lights.  It lights up the whole street. And it stands out even more because neither of our neighbors have lights. Our one neighbor over here has a few lights, but the other neighbor on the other side has nothing. And then there's us. Just, you can see us from space. So we've got Frosty out front of the house here, and we just realized now that his body is backwards, or his head is on backwards. You see the buttons? Exorcist Frosty. The button's facing the house, but his head is facing the street. Oops. My dad, my dad. That's funny. But anyways, Britt wants to dive into this a little bit so that she can kick my butt.  It's a little freakishly good. She can remember minor details that I don't even notice and she'll list off every little detail like years later. It's amazing. So when it comes to trivia games, well. If it has to do with the holidays, or Christmas or something you're interested in. Or movies, or books. We're good, but other than that. But it has time for me to get out of my daytime clothes. I already got my sweats on. You've already got your PJs on. So it's that time again. Thanks for joining us today. I hope you guys are having a great time wherever you are and hopefully you guys can have a great Christmas. The only things that they eased up on was they're allowed to have drive-in services for churches now, which was dumb. They weren't even allowing churches to have people drive up, park in a parking lot, and sit in their own vehicles while listening to a service. That's allowed now. So there was enough protest from Southern Manitoba about that. So they at least allowed that. It goes, you're in your own vehicle. It doesn't matter.  But there's that. You're allowed to sell Christmas decorations now in Christmas presents. And no family gatherings will be allowed though, outside of your household. I think they might ease up on the thing or two more. Like clothing. Yeah. You'll need clothing eventually. Will that be considered for Christmas? I don't know. Cause like people need clothing. That is a necessity. But that's where we're at now. So it's been extended just like we thought it would be. And we'll see. We'll see how this next year goes. I mean, I'm trying to be patient. I'm trying to be understanding what's going on. I don't know what's going on. We'll worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. All right, but today is finished. Thanks for watching. Don't forget to subscribe, hit the like button and there'll be another video tomorrow.


Are narcissists happy? Do they experience pleasure or contentment? Are they satisfied with the quality and standard of their lives? Many people wonder if the narcissist is actually happy or not. They will often pretend to be happy and you may not feel happy when you are around them. When you are constantly being invalidated or gaslighted but is happiness something that the narcissist can experience? The truth is that everyone is capable of experiencing some level of happiness. But there are different levels so the level of happiness a normal person might feel isn't something a narcissist will ever get to experience. Narcissists also don't tend to experience happiness over a long period of time. It isn't consistent. They might get a short burst of happiness when they get what they want or when they obtain new supply. They might get a little high when they put people down but it doesn't last for long. Narcissists are very sensitive people. It doesn't take much to set them off. It doesn't take much to make them angry or upset. So their happiness doesn't last for long. They always go back to their emotional set point. And even when they are happy it's not at the same level that we might experience. Narcissists find happiness in hurting people. Put them down making them feel bad. Or using people to feed their egos. That's their idea of happiness. And when you think about it, it isn't real happiness anyway. Happiness is supposed to come from within. While a narcissist's idea of happiness is always based on something they obtain from a person or obtaining an object. The narcissist has shallow emotions. They don't have much depth. They cannot experience the same level of happiness as you can. They may look happy and they will often exaggerate it if they want to get your attention. Or if they want to make you feel like they're happy without you. But you may remember that it was only a moment ago that they were really angry. Or maybe they will go from being happy to being angry very quickly. Their emotions change so quickly because they're very shallow. They might feel happy when someone attends to them or admires them. They might feel happy when they get their way. Or when something bad happens to someone they hate. But it's not the same level of happiness that we might experience. Even if the narcissist had a perfect day. Maybe it's their birthday and they've just arrived at their surprise party. The sun is shining and it's exactly the right temperature that they like. All of their friends and family are there. They're all perfectly dressed in the way that the narcissist would like. The food is exactly what they would like. It's their idea of a perfect day. And everything is exactly how they would want it to be. But then one thing doesn't go right. Maybe there's a speck of dust on one of the tables. Maybe one of their friends is wearing a dress that they don't like. Then that perfect day would become one of the worst days of their lives. They would be miserable and you might be so confused. After you went through all of that effort to make everything perfect for them. But then they went from being really happy to being angry or upset so quickly. It's because narcissists think and feel very differently than we do. It doesn't even need to be a perfect day for us to be happy. Even if things go wrong, we're still good. We can still deal with it. But the narcissist will be very upset. Or they might explode into a rage. And it makes you wonder if they were ever happy at all. It's because their emotions are shallow. They can change very quickly. It's like you're walking on thin ice. Whenever you're around them, anything could make them crack. While with a normal person, their emotions wouldn't change so quickly. They wouldn't change as often. A normal person's emotions will remain pretty consistent throughout the day. While a narcissist's emotions will change from one moment to the next. They could shift through different emotions a hundred times a day. Well for most people, their mood wouldn't fluctuate as much. There may be times where you are both happy. Or at least it may seem that they are happy. But then they see something that they don't like. Or they're sensitive to someone's criticism. And then suddenly they're angry again. The question you need to ask yourself. Is if you can remain happy. Even when they're angry. Or do their negative emotions affect your mood. You may find that you are always walking on egg shells around the narcissist. You may experience this feeling of dread or hesitation to interact with them. Because you never know what might set them off. You never know what might make them angry or upset. Because their happiness is very shallow. They don't experience deep happiness. It's like looking after a baby. You never know when they're going to throw a tantrum. You never know when they're going to need to be burped or fed. But at least with a baby. You are able to comfort them. You can calm them down. You can make everything better. You don't get that with the narcissist. Because you're dealing with a menace. Someone who is likely to cause harm to you. More often than not. They are miserable. And hurt people do hurt people. Which is why they do the things that they do. There are only these rare windows of opportunities. Where the narcissist gets to experience happiness. But even then. It's not the level of happiness that we might experience. And maybe that's why they're so miserable. Maybe that's why they treat us the way that they do. Because no matter what they do. They can never find what they're looking for. They can never find true happiness. Thank you for watching. I hope this video resonates with you. Please like, comment, share and subscribe. Click the bell icon to receive notifications for my future videos. 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