Well, hello everyone. I hope everyone can hear me out there. Good morning, good afternoon, or good evening, depending on where you're joining us from today. Welcome to Engineering for Change, or E4C for Short. Today we're very pleased to bring you the latest in our 2015 webinar series, and we'll be focusing on an exciting area for us, our unique jobs for change. And specifically, we're looking today at engineers without borders around the globe. We've developed a webinar today in collaboration with leaders from institutions at EWV Australia, EWV USA, and EWV UK. My name is Yana Aranda, and I'll be the moderator for today's webinar. When I'm now moderating webinars, I am currently working at the American Society of Mechanical Engineers, as well as with E4C, where I'm a Senior Program Manager. In addition to that, I'm a longtime member of Engineers Without Borders USA. I've been working with our New York professional chapter, both in the capacity of president, as well as a committee lead for over six years. So I'd like to take a moment now to tell you a bit about today's webinar, Jobs for Change. So at E4C, we're constantly asked the question of how to professionally enter or transition into the field of engineering for global development. We know that engaging with local EWV teams is a proven starting point. EWV chapters worldwide all share a similar mission to partner with disadvantaged communities to improve their quality of life through education and implementation of sustainable engineering projects. In today's webinar, we'll hear about the unique approaches taken by EWV Australia, EWV USA, and EWV UK in preparing engineers for these careers in global development. Joining us today, we have Julian O'Shea, who is the director of the EWV Institute of EWV Australia, Skip Spensley, who is the education director at EWV USA, and Doug Harper, the CEO of EWV UK. Welcome, and thank you all for joining us today. Before we get rolling, I'd also like to take a moment to recognize the coordinators of the E4C webinar series generally. Along with myself, we have Mike Mater of ASME, Holly Schneider-Brown, and Jackie Halliday of IEEE, who work on developing, delivering the webinar series. Thanks, Jean. If anybody out there has questions about the series, or would like to make a recommendation for future topics and speakers, we invite you to contact us via the email address visible on the slide, webinars at engineering4change.org. So just a little bit before we move on to our presenters about who we are. 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And it's my pleasure to welcome Julian O'Shea, who's the director of the EWV Institute, the Education Research and Innovation Division of EWV Australia. Julian is a humanitarian engineer interested in the role of technology and design that can play, how the role of technology in poverty alleviation and community development. He has worked in projects all over the world, and in his role he's a humanitarian design summit, which are human-centered design programs for technical students. At that award, he's an adventure traveler and has visited over 140 countries. We should all be so lucky as Julian. Over to you, Julian. G'day, everyone. I'm really wonderful to join you, so thank you for taking the time to dial in. I'm here in lovely Melbourne, Australia. And yeah, I work at Engineers Without Borders. So we've only got a limited amount of time, so I'm going to just kind of dive into it. But before I do, I'll just say a little bit of my background. I'm an electronics engineer by training, and I've come to Engineers Without Borders through the education team. When I was working as a professional engineer and I was a student, I really loved the kind of learning aspect. But just thought it could be a bit more better and a bit more interesting. And Engineers Without Borders in Australia is around 13 years old. But right from the start, one of the core things that EWB Australia has done has been in the education sector. So working with universities, with academics and with students on creating an engineering degree that's more community focused and more humanitarian edge as well as kind of the focus on sustainable and community development. So that's kind of going to be one of the lenses that I look through as we talk about jobs to change, looking at career and professional experiences. Because my part of the organization has got that research and academic focus, I'll talk about what some of the career options are as well as a broader discussion about where some of our members, some of our engaged individuals have gone on to with their career. So EWB Australia is a member and volunteer organization. So the way that we're kind of structured is we have a national office. The organization size is around 10 to 15 paid staff, a combination of full and part-time staff. The organization has a turnover just to get a bit of a feel for the size. Some of our different people are part of different organizations of around two to two and a half million US dollars per annum to give you a bit of an idea of the size and scope. The way EWB works in Australia is we have a national office team that's responsible for our programs and our overseas work and partnerships. And they're supported by region. They're kind of like chapters. Which are geographic collections of people so in all the major cities and then the universities have student level chapters. So as mentioned, my role is heading up what we call the EWB Institute, which is the catchall of our education and research programs. The reason why EWB Australia thinks this is so important is that while humanitarian engineering, as we call it, is a niche, something that individuals can do, whether they're working on water supply projects overseas or working with First Nations communities, on technical challenges, what we feel is there's a really important role for sustainability and community development to be part of all engineers kind of work. So what we've decided is that by focusing on education, if we can engage students and have this as part of the curriculum, then everyone can engage with these skills and these projects and take them into their future career. So some of the initiatives that we have that achieve this, one of the biggest programs we have is called the EWB Challenge and that's a first year design program. So at the very start of your degree, when you're learning about what engineering is and what it's all about, what we do is we work with one of our community partner organizations which is a different one each year and we come up with an engineering design challenge. And what we'll do is we'll work with the community on design areas. So whether it's the community, for example, pictured there in the slide is Cambodia. We work with the Cambodian community on the Tonleysap Lake, which is the largest freshwater lake in Southeast Asia. Really interesting context. These are floating villages, so communities that don't have a fixed location that move during the wet season and the dry season and face a lot of challenges. So what happens is we work with Australian universities to put that type of content into curriculum. And what we see is that this program that around 8,000 students do each year is their first step towards a career in humanitarian engineering. As the students progress through their degree, there's lots of other ways they can get involved. They can join AWB as a member and be an active chapter participant. And there they can do things like school outreach, going and working with schools across the country, talking about sustainability challenges. The other program they can be involved with is our research initiative. So for AWB and where it fits in in the Australian curriculum is that final year engineers have a project, a capstone project, and they can partner with AWB on a research program to meet their requirements. They'd agree while also coming up with some positive outcomes for the community. One of the things I want to talk about from AWB, Australia's perspective with Jobs for Change is our work with the corporate sector. One of the major funding sources for AWB Australia and one of the major ways we achieve our outcomes is through the support of engineering, construction and design firms. So AWB Australia partners with some of the major consultancies in Australia and that's a partnership and collaboration which involves both resources but importantly people getting involved in our programs. So one of the ways we do that is connect corporate professionals to our work in the field through things like study tour programs. So the picture there is a couple of professionals from a mining company who spent three weeks in Cambodia on what we call our Dialogues on Development Study Tours and there you're learning all about community development, appropriate technologies. But importantly one of the outcomes always is some of the skills on human-centered design that the participants learn there that can take back to their professional world. So I'll flag there that a lot of the people that are involved with AWB have traditional engineering roles and what they've done is through participation with AWB have kind of shaped how they go about doing what they do. So they're not necessarily taking up a whole new role but rather they're applying the skills from AWB's work into their roles. Professional study tours is one aspect of the work we do. The other one that is kind of increasing in our programs which is also leading to more kind of jobs and professional opportunities is the same aspect but with a research lens. So we run humanitarian design summits and these are multi-week programs for engineering students to spend time with the community and learn about human-centered design more work with a community organization. We've just finished up recent trips over the Australian winter with our partners in Cambodia and what we did this cycle is take engineering academics. So academics in the engineering sector in Australia often focus on a technical aspect. Through AWB we're really trying to expand the number of individuals that are looking at humanitarian and community development projects and one of the initiatives that we've done to help trigger that to let people make this a career through research and through academia is we developed the Journal of Humanitarian Engineering. One of the issues with academia is that publication is really important for promotion, for tenure and there was a bit of a gap or what we saw was a bit of a gap in the literature for publishing research into these types of projects. So the Journal of Humanitarian Engineering is a peer-reviewed academic publication to give academics the chance to actually do this type of research, get credit and really shape their careers around it. And we're starting to see that really start to take off in Australia. There's a newly launched humanitarian technology research group at the University of Adelaide and some really great partners at the University of New South Wales and Sydney looking at water projects. As an example of how academics and students do it, here's a neat picture from the Humanitarian Design Summit. The context was the school community in Kep Province. Sophia Sallie School was then a school hosted a group of research students and they would spend time with the principal and the teachers looking at design challenges. One of the issues there is that it's a coastal community that's very limited fresh water, particularly during the dry season. What that's meant is that there's no real handwashing facilities at the school and the school is very poor living on between one and ten US dollars a day. So what the participants came up with was a recycled kind of soft drink bottle. As you can see in the picture there with holes in the bottom. And the reason why this kind of works is the cost of the design is probably a couple of cents. And the way that the toilets work at the school is that it's a poor flush toilet. So rather than pouring the water straight into the toilet, they can put it through this bottle, wash their hands, collect the water with the pan and then flush the toilet using any extra water. There is one flag and this project in a Careers for Change talk is the person that photo Talia has started a scholarship program with EWB. So even though she kind of undertook this in the start of her undergraduate degree, she's now got herself set up where there's a multi-year program where she'll be involved with EWB's research programs, chapter activities and really put her in a good place that if she's interested in pursuing a program like this beyond her degree that she's actually got some runs on the board, that she's really done a variety of programs and built up her own skills. So what EWB Australia is trying to do is create pathways to actually create what is the next step to move me from where I am to where I want to be. Before I wrap up, there's a couple of things I want to touch on at what some of the outcomes have been for EWB Australia. We work quite closely with a lot of our other partner organizations. So what we're really trying to do is create, make skills, skills they've learned as a volunteer, as a chapter member, and move on to the next step. Some really great examples is we've got one of our incredibly keen and involved chapter members who, his day job was working on electrical power projects in Sydney. His work with EWB was being involved in chapters looking at education. So he's got technical expertise in one field. He's gained the community development skills through his time at EWB, and he's recently taken up a role in the Marshall Islands where he's supporting power generation across the whole country. So it just kind of shows that when you add the technical expertise to kind of the range of soft skills that EWB provides, it sets you up for kind of future roles and future opportunities that kind of really overlap that sector. That's really it from me. There's a couple of links there around EWB Australia to get a bit more of a feel there, and one of the major events that EWB Australia hosts around design, technology, and social change. Now that event also highlights kind of social enterprise and the ways that people can kind of craft their own careers in the future. We'd love to welcome anyone that wanted to come if they happen to be in Australia in March 2016. That's it for me until we get to the questions, but thanks a lot for listening, and I'll hand it over to our next speaker. Thank you, Julian. All right, and our next speaker is Skip Spensley, who has had a really diverse career pathway as a lawyer, educator, project manager, and environmental consultant. So I am not going to read his entire bio, but he is currently an acting other professor at the University of Denver and also a major lead at EWB USA. So Skip, over to you. Thank you for inviting us to participate in the webinar this morning. I will try to stick to my time here to get through a number of slides. My slides have not come up yet, I guess. Maybe I just need to push it. Okay. All right. Let me just start by saying we have a lot of challenges today as maybe an understatement in the area of engineering and in world development. As many of you already know, the challenge really begins with just some very basic kinds of needs that all people have. In this slide, you can see that we have literally more than a billion people who still don't have access to clean drinking water. And if you add the problems of sanitation to that as well, you probably have more than half the world's population that still suffers from some basic kinds of infrastructure accommodations. Similarly, if you look at energy, which is more a big subject today, more than a billion and a half or a little less than a billion and a half people still don't have access to basic electricity for living conditions. So many of those communities and many of those members use traditional cooking methods of biomass energy. The World Health Organization has estimated that if they continue to do that, the pollution from that could result in as many as a million and a half deaths per year to those individuals by 2030. So the challenge from a standpoint of providing basic infrastructure for communities is clearly there. If you go to the next slide, another kind of challenge which is a little bit different is that of delivering education to our students and to our population. These are some statistics that recently were developed that indicate that when we look at the cost of education, this was astounding to me that between 1985 and 2013, which is roughly almost 30 years, we've seen the cost of our education increased by fivefold while our consumer price index is only increased by a little over 120%. And even looking at medical costs where we clearly have a concern about rising costs, they've only been about half of what we've seen in the educational sector. When you combine that with the fact today that because of that, students are having to take out loans almost 70% now in our universities, which amount to over a trillion dollars. Many of them on average graduate with a $30,000 debt, which is a stifling to a person's career of trying to start out by developing some professional expertise. And you combine that also, I might add, with the fact that only about 60% of the college students today graduate within six years. Well, that means that 40% may never get a degree and still end up with a pretty significant debt in our university structure. On account of those things, I think EWB USA and all EWBs provide a very valuable service in giving engineers some options in terms of developing some experiential learning, which is a key part of it. So when we look at EWB USA like the others, we really have two principal missions. One is to build stronger communities. It's a humanitarian mission. And the other, of course, is to provide education to engineers graduating, giving them that learning experience, which so much is needed now and is sought after by companies that are working in the global environment. So what are some of our programs? Well, first of all, a very critical part of our program is focused on doing these kinds of humanitarian projects throughout the world. And these are community-driven projects. That is our model based on a partnership with the host community. When EWB USA chapters actually adopt a project, they make a five-year commitment to that community. So it is something that we think is sufficient to be able to not only help in resolving issues, but to be there to help educate the local community as to how to, for example, just maintain the kind of systems that may go in. As you can see from these statistics, we are pretty active throughout the world. We have almost 15,000 members, 200 and some chapters, 250 chapters, plus that work in developing engineering projects, oftentimes with the help of students other than engineering students. We sometimes have social science students, economic students, those that have other disciplines that they can bring to the table and help provide a kind of sustainable approach to the work that's being done. Just as one example of that, this is a project that was done by one of our professional chapters, the Lehigh Valley Chapter, that in a partnership with the Centennial Secondary School of Sierra Leone, helped build a school that had been destroyed earlier during a civil strike, and they helped working with the community put together a new school that included even more accommodations than had before, such as the sanitation facilities and electricity to its water supply. And this is one example of, again, where a chapter has worked with a local community and it being community driven. This slide summarizes some of the program principles that we use in that, again, as I mentioned, a very important part of this is ensuring that we don't go in and tell them what they need, but rather they help us to find the parameters of the kind of work that our chapters would be doing. A critical piece of that is in the early assessment stage where we will work with an MGO, a community partner to help assess the needs to verify what are the conditions in which the project will be constructed. That is often done in a trip to that particular community for a number of days to do the assessment. Then there is a design stage and finally an implementation stage where the work is done by the chapter members, who by the way also raise all the funding to do these projects and to pay for their expenses as well as to acquire the materials to construct whatever the project might be. And then finally is followed by a very important monitoring evaluation and feedback. This is a newer part of the program we've developed over the last several years to ensure that not only are we doing what we promise to do and that we are doing well from a standpoint of the technology, but also looking at what impact it has on the community and what the community has learned from the process so that they can learn to be more self-sufficient. What do we engineer? Well, as you can see from this graph, almost three-quarters of our projects involve either access to clean water or sanitation. And those are probably by far two of the biggest needs in developing communities. But we also engage in some agricultural projects, other civil works, providing energy, information systems, and structures to a community as well. So who are we? Well, we, as I mentioned, one of the things that we rank very high in terms of our approach to doing these kinds of projects in other countries is to think about how the experiential learning and the education that our students or young professionals get will help them in their own careers. So we abide by the ABET criteria, that's the accreditation board for engineering and technology. And these are some of the outcomes that they are looking for today in terms of engineering education and the kinds of experience that engineers will get. And as you can see, it's much broader than just the technical side involves much of it dealing with things like simply learning how to communicate effectively or dealing with professional and ethical responsibility. And lastly, in that group, a knowledge of contemporary issues, particularly working in a global environment today. So how do we do that? Well, typically our students have to design a facility which meets either U.S. or international standards, construct it locally with available materials, used in most cases low tech or appropriate tech in order to develop solutions that the community can understand and employ. And finally, to engage the stakeholders in that community to understand the kind of sustainable solutions that we are trying to employ. So in part, our members develop these kinds of skills, and I'm not going to read through the list, but you can see that these are the kinds of skills that not only are complying, if you will, with the ABET notions, but also the kind of experience that employers are looking for in terms of engineers today that have the kind of experience that they can go into the field and feel comfortable about dealing in an environment different than what they've been before. Lastly, I want to just mention very quickly, we have just recently launched a certification program. I should say we have launched and we are doing a beta test on a certification program for global engineering and developing communities. And we've done this because we believe that we want to provide an incentive to enhance our member's skills and really to give them recognition as well as to their accomplishments, much of which, of course, they can accomplish during their education in the universities or colleges, but also as young professionals. And finally, hopefully enhance their qualifications by going through this certification process. The process basically is one of, we have set some standards for what we believe are the areas where engineers ought to have experience, and those become the certification requirements. Students, or I should say participants, can develop their own approach to satisfying those requirements, taking some EWB USA courses or finding courses elsewhere. This beta test, we hope to conclude by the fall. And in 2016, if we can refine the program, we'd like to move forward with opening it up to anyone who might be interested. And lastly, I would mention as part of that, we will be seeking to work with various academic institutions in the U.S. that are normally associated with our chapters to be partners in that process. So that concludes my presentation, and I'd be happy to answer questions when we get to that. Thank you so much, Gip. That was very thorough, and we will have questions at the end. So if there are any, you can thank your questions, and feel free to go ahead and include them in our Q&A window. That'd be great. And with that, I'd like to shift to Doug. Doug Harper of EWB USA, who is the current acting CEO, and joined EWB UK in August 2014. He has a background in civil and structural engineering and international relations, and he originally began his career in the British Army serving as a commissioned officer with the Royal Engineers. So I'd like to welcome you, Doug, and turn over the mic to you. Thank you very much, and thank you for inviting me to take part in the webinar, and good afternoon to everyone that's listening. As I've been introduced, my name's Doug Harper. I'm the Chief Executive of Engineers at Borders UK, and I'm just going to start by saying that we talk a lot in the UK about being part of a global movement for change. And it's been great to hear from Skip and from Julian, and to see so many synergies between really the philosophy behind what we're trying to do, because it's so easy sometimes to operate in isolation, when we're all caught up in what we're doing day to day. But I really do think the Engineers without Borders movement is united by a common belief that engineering should be about people rather than just an abstract application of maths or investing in technology for technology's sake. And that is certainly the line that we use here in the UK where we're promoting ourselves. I'm going to start by introducing myself. Ian has covered much of it. I served for nine years in the Royal Engineers in the British Army, and got a lot of experience of field engineering. I always refer to myself as an engineer by training rather than trade, because although I've got background in engineering, I've never done what we would call proper structural work, building skyscrapers or anything like that, but I have done a lot of low-level projects, lots of washed stuff, lots of shelter, some emergency response stuff and things like that. I left the Army, I left for a very specific reason, which was to go into development on a wider scale. And I did a couple of jobs before taking this one. One was for private development firm in the Philippines, where we were introducing essentially commercial agriculture to one of the tribal communities out there. And then I worked in West Africa for an education NGO who worked to get people back into education after what there was a civil war. And yeah, as I say, I've been here either to be UK for just under a year now. I'll move on to talk about Engineers That Borders UK in broad terms. And like many of the Engineers That Borders associations around the world, we started off as a student society at one of the universities here in the UK and grown over the last 13 or 14 years to become, I would say, a medium-sized nationally registered charity. We're a little bit smaller than EWB Australia. Our turnover is just shy of two million US dollars each year. And we are at the moment transitioning really from being all about the students, if you like, to being about students and professionals as well. And what we're trying to do is create a globally responsible engineering profession. And I'll come on to what I mean by that a little bit more detail later. But my slides as well start off with some of the things that Skip was talking about in his presentation, so setting out really the why about the work that we do. So these are very similar statistics to the ones that Skip presented, so I'll just rattle through them very quickly. But lack of clean water, lack of access to sanitation, people not having enough food to eat and not having enough reliable energy access. Really key issues facing the world as a whole. And I'm just going to speak a couple of moments on this last one, which is energy and electricity, because I think it's quite easy to dismiss this as almost a luxury somehow. But maybe after this webinar, if you've got the time, go look on Google at two maps. If you look up GDP on a world scale, and then look up a picture of the world at night, which is admittedly a pretty crude representation of where there is power, but also a fairly realistic one. And it's almost a direct correlation between where people have access to energy and where there is wealth in the world. And we believe either the UK that really engineering underpins all the infrastructure needed for sustained economic growth to lift these communities out of poverty. And we work around that topic in two ways. One is our international work, which I'm going to talk about first, and then I'm going to come on to our education stuff a little bit later. So I wanted to talk first of all about two specific projects that we've done in the last 12 months. Each year we send away around about 30 recent graduates or early career professionals to add their technical skills to local NGOs. Quite a startling statistic is that in North Western Europe we have around about 500 engineers every 100,000 people. In the entire continent of Africa, there's one engineer per 100,000 people. So technical capacity is something that we really can add to these communities. We always work with local partners to ensure that what we're doing is driven by the community and not recognized by ourselves, 6,000 miles away and in office in London. But I want to talk about one project, first of all, which is really to do with the assistive that I've brought up about people not having enough to eat. And quite a depressing thought, and in fact there was some information about this in the British press this morning, is that there's actually plenty of food in the world and there's enough to feed everybody more than they need. One of the problems is that the supply chain between the farm and the market is not good enough and that really comes down to infrastructure. So the two people you can see on the slide on your screen are George and Emma, the name of some EWV UK volunteers who worked out in Cameroon for six months just over Christmas, just gone. In a little town called Bamboo, which is in northern Cameroon, one of our partners who are called Reignites. And their project was called Farm to Market and they conducted, as graduate engineers, a series of consultations with the farmers in the local community, with the traditionally women who sell the produce. Here's a picture of someone just visiting a farm and with the people that process the food. And the output of this project was a number of recommendations that Reignites could then go on to use, which they're going to do so in a new project that's been funded by the Lottery over the next three years to try and improve that supply chain. So that's, if you like, a sort of indirect use of engineering education for development. The next project that I want to talk about is in Kenya and this is Kaibara, or Kaibara, depending on how you pronounce it. And for those of you who don't know, this is a slum that's just the north of Nairobi, the capital of Kenya, and it's the biggest slum in sub-Saharan Africa. It's a huge place. And as you can see from that picture, if any of you visited this type of community, pretty much the world over, you can see that there's a whole load of different problems associated with living in these conditions. So inadequate shelter, that lack of access to energy that I spoke about, not great sanitation, probably not that good access to clean water unless you have a lot of money. And then more importantly, a lack of jobs, a lack of opportunities to generate income to get yourselves away from this community. So we've been working with an organization called KBI out in Kaibara for the last three or four years, and we've been helping them to implement a project called Productive Public Spaces. And what KBI and us do is we identify a region in Kaibara, which is not being used for anything particularly productive, and we turn it into a productive space. So we go back and survey it, speak to the local community, install water supply, install sanitation, install electricity, and really provide a space that can be used by the local community that's not only safe and well lit, but also has an opportunity for them to engage in those income-generating activities. And you can see in this last picture, before and after what a difference it's making, both on the really local scale, specific to where the space has been created, and you can see on the right-hand side there all the different types of things that can happen in these productive spaces. So again, a really excellent project that people who are involved in the WUK can get involved in after they've finished their engineering education. To take a couple of steps back, to talk about the vision of the organization that I have the privilege to represent, we, and this is subject to change as we're about to review our strategy, but at the moment we believe in a world where everybody has access to engineering and they need for a life-free from poverty. And we approach that vision, or work towards that vision in two ways. Obviously that's a pretty grandiose statement, and they mirror very closely either with Australia, particularly, and equally WUSA, and that is we work to inspire engineers of the future to address global issues, and we also work to support the engineers of today. So the projects that I just talked about are very much the support part, and we also have a smaller program which is very similar to the EWUSA model where smaller groups of people go out and do shorter projects of a more limited scope. For example, one of our university chapters last year went out to Tanzania and installed a wind turbine on the side of a school there to provide them with power. That's the sort of member-led project scope that we deal with. But the inspirational part is perhaps the undersung hero of our organization and becoming increasingly more important. I'm sure it's much the same in many of the countries that you're listening from, but in the UK we're facing a real crisis of supply for engineers in the future. And one of the reasons for that is that engineering education here only appeals to a very specific type of person. And what we're trying to do as engineers without borders is open people's eyes to not only these global issues that I've talked about already, but the fact that there's more than you can do with engineering education than just going into an engineering consultancy or structural design and working on a site. So we have a number of education programs, and luckily Julian's already talked about the challenge in some detail. So we run that as well. We partner with EWUSA on that. We deliver that in about 30 universities around the UK at the moment. And I'll just pick up on Julian's last comment as well about creating pathways. So we call them learning journeys, but it's very similar, very similar concepts. And for our learning programs, what we're trying to do is create a journey all the way through from school children age to higher education and beyond. So we have a school outreach program which our members go out into the local community and they deliver workshops that illustrate to school children both the global problem and then equally that other part we're talking about where we're telling people that engineering has other options than just engineering consultancy. Hopefully some of those kids will be inspired to go on to engineering degrees. We run the challenge. It's the same concept here as it is in Australia. We also have a project that we're just finishing up at the moment, which we've done with a number of partners across Europe called GDE, which stands for Global Dimension Engineering Education. And what we've targeted there is the people who are teaching these future engineers. And we're hoping that by targeting them as well, then they will incorporate this sort of global thinking, this concept of a global engineer into the whole of the curriculum and not just the specific areas that we can focus on with our programs. I'm going to finish as Julian did by just talking about some of the outcomes that we had from volunteers and people involved with our organization. And I think it's worth making the point that we're very realistic about the threat that not everybody gets involved with engineers and that borders is going to go on to become a development professional. But that's actually okay because if we can create people who are aware of this concept, who go into the engineering consultancy or go in to finance and all the other things that engineering graduates do, then we're quite happy that we're doing what we set out to do. But at the moment, we've got several ex-EWB volunteers who've gone on to do fantastic things in the development sector. So a very recent volunteer for us who went on one of our placements a couple of years ago is now working for Medicine's Song Frontier in South Sudan. We've got a board member who was previously a member of staff at EWB who heads up the emergency shelter team at Care International. And we've got other ex-volunteers who work for Concern and also who work for Plan. But I think I'm just going to finish by emphasising that point that it's okay if you get involved with us and then go on to do something different. We also have a huge amount of success with people, particularly young students who have been involved going on to win national awards. This year, we've had three of our EWB student members win nationally recognised prizes. And they've all attributed some of that to having this broader perception of engineering that hopefully engineers and outboarders have played a part in. Thank you very much. And I'd be very pleased to answer any questions. Thank you, Doug. I think it's critically important that you ended on that note regarding the broad nature of engaging in global development as an engineer and the perspective that is going to ultimately benefit you through your career generally. So, here at EWB4C, we're very happy and part of our mission is to really support and advance the important work of groups like EWB USA, EWB UK and EWB Australia by building this pipeline of engineers who engage with the organisations, exposing your work and providing this platform for us to really talk about some of our lessons learned collectively to bring you all to this virtual table, if you will, to have these conversations. So, with that in mind, I'm going to ask a couple of questions just to get your perspective. And then I invite our attendees to type in their questions into our Q&A window for the presenters if you have some very specific questions. So, the first question I'd like to ask and be heard about the various differences that you all have taken in similarities and the approaches to development across education, across the project work and so forth. What would you say are the key professional practices or skills that really you emphasise highly through your projects and programs? And I'm going to, because you guys can't see me, I'm just going to go ahead and name names in terms of getting our folks to answer. So, why don't we start with Skip and then Julian then Doug? Well, I think it was Doug or Julian who said, and I apologize if I don't remember which, and a really critical part of one of the skills that I think is important for our students and young professionals that work through EWB is to have that opportunity to work with a community, with the people on the ground, to help them define the needs that they have to work with them and teaching them about solutions, working in a context in which the challenge for us, for us coming from a different culture is understanding and communicating. So, to me, that's one of the most critical pieces of this experiential learning. Thank you so much, and Julian? How's that now? There we go. We can hear you. There we go. So, one of the skills I think is most important for our faculty members, and it really comes back to our price, is that, look, a lot of times people think of engineers without borders, and they think that it's around kind of a practical aspect of doing engineering and building something or interesting thing with technology. But, in reality, EWB Australia's work is really around technical capacity building. It's not our job to build a well, build a bridge, but rather to work with our community partners and build their technical expertise to be able to do that. So, I think that the skills that are really essential for the people that are doing this work is the ability to communicate well, to work with patients and respect and humility across cultures, and to be a teacher, to be a trainer. So, because that's an important skill, it's one of the reasons why EWB Australia puts so much emphasis on our education programs, because that, to be honest, is one of the skills that our members will need to do this type of work and do it well. Very good. And Doug? Yeah, I agree with both Skip and Julian, actually. I'm not sure how much I am going to add with this comment. But, I think, here in the UK, and I think it's probably the same in the States and in Australia, traditional engineering education is very good at teaching the technical ability to solve problems. What it's not so great at doing is teaching people to think in social context or to represent social context and to listen to what people actually need. So we have a bit of a running joke in our face, which is an engineer's approach to any problem is that it's definitely a solution. And if there isn't a solution, to halve the problem, there'll be a solution to the two smaller problems. And a lot of what we try and inform, I guess, rather than try and teach is that sometimes there isn't a solution. And a lot of these problems are so complex that many of the solutions in inverted commas are part of a wider solution and not the solution in itself. Very good feedback. So you all naturally, through your presentation, shared examples of some of the work that your members have been doing. And I think it's always exciting to have tangible ideas of how people have shaped their careers. Some of those examples, them from the educational work or from members who are on the younger side or the equation, if you all. Maybe you can share, if any, come to mind some examples of career pathways for mid-career or even senior professionals that have engaged in your specific organizations. And anybody can feel free to grab that question. I'm happy to kick off. This is a somewhat new sector, this field of humanitarian engineering. So it's a really exciting time. And I think that a lot of people doing with some of the most interesting careers in this space are people that are kind of going out and doing it themselves. So one of our colleagues and some of her friends started an amazing organization called Pollinate Energy. And what Pollinate Energy does, it's a social enterprise that's based in India that does their real skill is around distribution and network. They're working with urban poor or slum communities and selling products. And they kicked off with Solar Lights and have kind of since branched out into a few other products. But that was a new program. So they had done some work at EWB and been involved with other organizations and they kicked that off and saw there was a real need there. So I guess I'd urge people to not necessarily look for a job description but to make the most interesting jobs. And you could do that in a big company and just say, hey, look, we're a massive company. How come there's not a community impact and engineering role? I think you could do this. And I'd urge people to kind of create the jobs within their company, within their institution or start something new because that's where the exciting stuff's happening. Great. Doug, go ahead and skip. Yeah, I'll go. So I think I mentioned this at the start of my set just a minute ago. We're only just starting really to concentrate on involving professionals in what we do. So that's a bit of a compound answer in terms of giving you specific examples. But I don't see why there's any reason why a mid-career professional or someone approaching retirement can't contribute exactly the same things as someone who's just graduated. And in fact, often has perhaps a little bit more experience to add to the party, if you like. But if we can change the way that mid-career professionals think as well and they're often in positions within engineering firms where they could have an influence on local procurement, for example. What building materials they use and the embodied energy within them. That's why that, you know, this is all going towards the same set of problems around the world, the same sort of global challenges. So I think there's definitely scope for the engineers of that modest community to broaden its appeal. And I think, probably speak for most of us, when I say that we're sort of transitioning towards that now and away from the student, exclusively student focus, anyway. Thank you. And Skip? I'm not sure if, Skip, if you have any example if you want to share specifically. I'm sorry, I was on mute. Forgive me. I wanted to follow up on Doug and saying that there's a praise that I like that was recently in part of a book written by David Brooks, who's a writer for the New York Times. He said, when we're young, we work on our resumes. When we're older, we work on our eulogies. And I think the idea that as we do get more advanced in our career and in our age, we begin to think about ways in which we want to contribute more to the broader good of humanity. And I think EWB, any of the organizations where we can tap the experience of engineers who've been in the profession for a long time, who are natural mentors to our students, we should take advantage of that. And in that regard, EWB USA has launched two new initiatives. One is a community engineering core, which is using our professional capabilities, our engineers to work on local projects that can't be done by the commercial side. And also another part of our program, dealing with engineering services that we offer globally, which again are professional engineers with a great deal of experience and provide some consulting support for both developing communities, but also governments that need the help of professional engineers. That's really helpful. So we're getting close to time, so I want to make sure that we get at least one participant question and I'm going to ask a couple or maybe one more question and we will go over a little bit. But the only question that came up was about services where EWB USA, WB UK and EWB Australia organizations have collaborated with work on the ground or elsewhere perhaps. You all have some next ones in mind? I'll take the first spin on that one, if you like. So we collaborate EWB UK and EWB Australia collaborate on the challenges as I and Julian mentioned in our presentations. And we also talk about other things which haven't come to fruition yet, but hopefully we'll do in the next couple of years. And we talk a lot with EWB Canada too. I have been on the ground with EWB USA volunteers as well. But I think, and Julian's getting my jump in with different opinions, but I think at the moment on the ground collaboration is probably quite thin. Yeah, this is Skip. I would add also there's a relatively nascent organization called EWB International where we are trying to bring together the various EWB's around the world and exchange information and experiences. So I think there is a broader interest in global collaboration to share our successes, but also importantly to share our failures. And I find as a teacher that failures are more instructive and often than successes. Well, I'm glad you said that, Skip, because the very next question for us was around failure and specifically how it is integrated into the professional development or that you all carry out. Well, I would just add to that. I mean, we do focus and ask for feedback and lessons learned after each of our chapters do a project. And we do ask about failures because it helps point out the weaknesses in our process and in our approach. And we have found over time that one of the areas that is most lacking, I think, and one I mentioned earlier in my presentation is really getting a sense of what the community needs are, who are the key stakeholders in the process, and how do we ensure that we're meeting their needs and not what we think ought to be done. Just to expand on that, one of the things that engineers without borders Australia does is when you look into failure it kind of challenges a lot of the kind of concepts and what we're doing and how. So during our study tours, for example, we look at different development models and what some of the benefits and what some of the challenges are. There's a really great, really fantastic piece called To Hell With Good Intentions, which was basically a kind of diatribe about how this concept of, in this context that was American, but it was applied all probably kind of western countries and going to a different country without expertise. So we deliberately expose our members and have quite complex chats about what we do and how we do it. I think that really strengthens the organization. It is being a bit introspective and going, why are we doing this? What's the best way to do it? And is it really having the impacts that we hope it will? All right. And we're approaching time, so I'm going to ask you a more aspirational question. And maybe each of you can share your view that if there's an alter with Doug then skip them, Julie. And how do you see engineering for global development or humanitarian engineering or global engineering? It seems first step is to actually get some sort of standard nomenclature, but how do you see this field evolving as a profession in the next 10 years? That's a big question at the end of the webinar. I think, so this is my view rather than an organizational view. But I think we're probably going to see a move away from traditional childhood endeavor. That's what is starting to happen with the rise, if you like, of social enterprise. But correspondingly, I think we're probably going to see more and more traditional businesses become more social. And I think that's going to be driven both by external factors like climate change, but also from inside, so from the ground roots upwards. Ideology is traditionally stronger in younger people. And I think as engineering firms struggle to recruit people, because there's fewer and fewer people coming through engineering education, they're going to have to cater, if you like, to the views of those people that they're recruiting. And we see it all the time now with people who have been involved with our organization who are challenging potential employers, asking what their CSR policy is, asking the things that Julian just mentioned, how they work, why they work, and how they work. So I think the development of the global engineering development profession, whatever we're going to call it, it's probably going to look very different. But I suspect, and I hope, that what we'll see is more traditional engineering firms becoming more globally focused. And then for that, Skip, do you want to add? No, I would just endorse the one thing I would add to it is, and it may be, again, this is a personal opinion, there's been doing a lot of reading about technology and the exponential growth and what we are going to have as tools available to us in the next decade or two. And I think it's important that we don't let that overshadow the idea that appropriate technology still plays a critical role in working with 90% of the world's problems that we deal with. And I think engineering companies in the past and continue to deal with what the big projects, the Panama Canals, but it is going to be working at the local level that all of us do that is going to make the most significant contribution, I believe, in the future. Of course. And to wrap it up, I'll just touch on the education side of things. In the year 1970, there was only a degree in the world that had sustainability kind of in it. It is in Australia in every single engineering degree. I think we're kind of at that tipping point for the social and community parts of engineering. So I think it'll turn out in two ways over the next 10 years. One is that every single engineering will start to touch on community engagement, impact of what engineers can do for disadvantaged communities. The second one will be the professionalization of humanitarian engineering or engineering for global development. So in the way that you can graduate with a mechanical engineering degree now, in 10 years, there will start to be cohorts of people that have done a Bachelor of Engineering in global development. These are all fantastic pathways and we're really looking forward to them being realized over the next 10 years and even sooner. So with that, I do apologize. We have reached time, we've gone over time and I want to thank all of our panelists as well as all of our attendees for joining us today. It's been a fantastic discussion. If we didn't tackle your question, please feel free to send us an email at the address you see listed on the slide in front of you. Webinars at engineeringforchange.org and we'll be happy to pass them on to the presenters or connect to you directly. On behalf of V4C, we are here to facilitate more of these kinds of conversations, drive dialogue and ensure that good folks like yourselves are doing good work on the ground and in your firms and in every pathway that makes sense. So thank you so much. We will definitely see you all, hopefully see you all in September, and take care. Have a good morning, good evening or good afternoon, wherever you may be. Take care.


The forum may not be in your old mind. My username is Galaxy Star 24810, and I'm a beginner game developer. One day, I was making a hangout place for my friends that would consist of lots of free models I found cool. I was looking for a script that would make the ambient change colors, but every time I chose one, it would either be a cheap outdated script that doesn't work anymore, or not even a script at all. I was looking for an ambient color changing script for minutes, until I found this one script named something like Ambient Script, which for some reason had random sets of letters and numbers next to it. I decided to use the script because I was so tired of clicking through all sorts of ambient scripts and play-tested my place. While testing the place, it was running normally for a few minutes, until the ambient color turned black and the time changed to night instead of day. It then began to rename every single humanoid figure to names like Ruffle, Infected, Virus, and other virus names like that. The terrain color turned gray, black thought was seemingly added despite the place having no fog at all, and the moon image changed into an eyeball. The infection went as far as renaming every single humanoid figure again with ha ha ha, inserting random screen GUIs that showed inappropriate pictures, and inserting random infected models, causing the game to lag. The screen GUIs then showed pictures of child pornography, and decapitated people which were both incensored, and turned every icon in Roblox Studio into a skull. This was the time I began to freak out, and tried to close down Roblox Studio, but there was a problem. I couldn't close Roblox Studio at all. I tried to close it down normally, close it down with Task Manager, and even went as far as trying to uninstall the app, but it just wouldn't let me. Every NPC in the place then began to die, and my avatars face changed into a realistic hollow-eyed human, and Studio finally began to freeze. I thought this was the end of the strange happening, and I was finally able to close it down. Upon doing that, I got terrified when I noticed that my background had changed into an extremely dory picture.  I then realized that this wasn't just a casual Roblox Studio virus, it was an actual virus. Pop pop tabs then spam my screen and displayed pictures of either child porn or decapitated people, and played an audio clip of somebody screaming. Red Japanese text then flooded my screen to where my computer can't even handle it. I then tried to turn off my computer, but I couldn't. I tried to turn off my computer with the Windows Starts menu, but my mouse couldn't move. In fact, everything couldn't even work at all. It all came to an end when everything went blank. The apps disappeared, the pop pops went away, and the background was just black. To me, it looked like my computer was off because it happened in an instant, until I saw a pop pop window of a video of somebody's room. It was all compressed and low quality. There was then a box that appeared in the corner of the video which showed my face. I quickly found out that I was in a video call, so I hid my face. A man who wore dark clothes and a grainy voice then walked into the screen, and tried to invite me into a special video. I was 12, and I perfectly knew what he meant by special. I then freaked out, and tried to find a heavy object to smash my computer, as I didn't really know another alternative. I then found a trophy I earned back at 5th, which I had on my shelf, and smashed my computer two bits. Hours later, my dad came home from work, and came to check on my room. I was lying down pretending to sleep, but when he yelled out why my computer was in pieces, I reacted as if I just woke up. I then got grounded for months, and never got my own personal laptop ever again. I'm currently using my friend's computer to share you my story.


With a personal income tax of 24%, a company income tax of 30% and a value added tax of 7.5%, Nigeria and Spain one of the highest tax rates in the world, although the government only gets a fraction of it. And this is according to the Fiscal Policy Partner and Africa Tax Leader at PWC Taiwu Uyedile at the weekend. According to him, Nigeria and Spain three different taxes making them one of the highest tax payers in the world. Uyedile noted that Nigerians pay taxes to government, non-state actors as well as implicit tax.


And now, stay tuned for the program that has rated tops in popularity for a longer period of time than any other West Coast program in radio history. The Signal Oil Program, The Whistler.  I am The Whistler, and I know many things for I walk by night. I know many strange tales hidden in the hearts of men and women who have stepped into the shadows. Yes, I know the nameless terrors of which they dare not speak. Now for the Signal Oil Company, The Whistler's strange story. Just like a man. They presented a striking group, the three of them, chatting together in the airport waiting room. Sandra Haynes with her dark hair, her quiet, almost equally dark eyes. Her husband, Gordon Haynes, tall, handsomely groomed. And their friend of many years standing, Peter Lacey. Peter had known Sandra first and his attention to everything she said revealed an admiration that had grown stronger with the years. Sandra was flying east alone, a fact which seemed to concern Peter more than it did Gordon, her husband. Flight 24, now boarding at gate three. Well, that's your plane, but I still can't understand it, Sandra, why you insist on dashing off alone this way and without your husband. I didn't insist, Peter. Gordon was quite agreeable. The dutiful husband. You reason with her, Peter, see how far you get. Or perhaps, Sandra, you'd prefer the company of a new and exciting escort. I prefer exactly what I'm doing. And Peter scarcely fits the role of a new escort. Neither new or exciting, huh? I didn't say that. Oh, and by the way, Gordon, you will remember I'm staying at the St. Regis. Safe Regis, I'll remember. You see, Peter, she checks everything. They're perfect whites. And I've always said that. Oh, now, no more arguments. I have my ticket, I'm going alone. Besides, Gordon wants to look after some plans for selling the beach house. He has his week well mapped out. Check. And I'd have little time for either of you in New York. Oh. I have a date with that strange man. Sandra. Pierre. The beauty king. I'm going to have him do something about my hair. You let him touch it, and I'll personally wring his neck. Oh, hear that, Gordon. Seems not all gentlemen prefer blondes.  I know perfectly well that I'm changing from a brumette to a blonde. I'm having my hair bleached. Change is good for the soul. And for husbands. Gordon, I'm ashamed of you. It's her idea, not mine. No, but the... Oh, that's me. That's my Gordon. Kiss me. Take good care of my husband for me, Peter. I will. And you take care of yourself. And stay away from Pierre. Oh, no. I'll make certain your bags have been checked aboard, dear. Do you mean they're already on the plane? Oh, yeah, Peter. You'll check the bags. Check the... Oh, of course. Right away. You can kiss me goodbye again, Gordon. Kiss me. Tell me you're going to miss me very much. Sure, Sandra. You're going to miss me very much. Sure, Sandra. You're going to miss me very much. Yes, Sandra. You know I am. I'm going to miss you very much. Just like a husband. Can't say it himself. Has to be reminded. After all, Sandra, the important thing... I know that you said it. Goodbye, dear. Goodbye, Sandra. Happy landings.  Sandra is very much in love with you, isn't she? The attractive and wealthy wife of Gordon Haynes. Yes, the marriage does have its compensations. But somehow, they don't always seem quite enough, do they? No. And that's why in driving home with Peter, you suggest a nightcap. Excuse yourself for a moment and... slip to the back of the cocktail lounge in the privacy of a telephone booth. Vicki, Gordon. Oh, darling, I've been waiting at seem-dages. Yeah, for me too. Look, I can't talk long now, but she's gone. Be out of town for about a week. We'll be able to get together. Will you call me tomorrow? First thing? Pete, we'll make it the usual place around 2 o'clock, all right? Oh, I wish it could be sooner. 2 o'clock, Vicki. I'll see you then. I'll be waiting. Bye. Goodbye, darling. Sorry, Peter. You order for her? Mm-hmm. Double scotch and soda. Thought you might need it when I tell you it's on my mind. You look awfully serious, Pete. I am serious about Sandra. Oh, not as you might think. I'm just the same old friend. But at least my loyalty hasn't shifted. What are you driving at? How about you, Gordon? Better check your directions, don't you think? I mean, when you're heading for trouble and Vicki Leiden... Vicki? What do you know about her? Only everything. I know something else, Gordon. You better stay away from her. Now, wait a minute. You wait a minute and listen. I know you married Sandra for her money. I don't see why that... It interests me because I don't happen to need her money. You do. So? I also happen to be in love with her. Though I'm sure she doesn't realize it. You don't love her. You're jumping at conclusions. Maybe. But whether you married her for just her money or not, I think enough of her to see that you give her her money's worth or step out of the picture. That all? I mean it, Gordon. Stop seeing Vicki or get out of Sandra's life. From now on, I'm making this my business. During rehearsal this evening, I couldn't help thinking about an old schoolmate of mine. Tom was sort of a sluggish guy, never much pepper ambition, until he started going around with Mary, and then what a change. Mary seemed to bring out the best in him. Soon Tom was going around with new spring in his stride, new sparkle in his glance. Incidentally, Tom and Mary have been married for years now, and you've never seen a happier couple. You're undoubtedly wondering what made me bring that up on Signals Program. Well, simply this. A wonderful change like that usually comes over the average car after it starts going around with Signal Ethel, the premium quality gasoline engineer to bring out the best in any car. Motors that used to wah, wah, wah, before starting, get going like a covey of scared quail with Signal Ethel, cars that used to be sluggish as molasses display peppy pickup and power with Signal Ethel, and cars that used to ping and balk on hills take them like the man on the flying trapeze with Signal Ethel. Doesn't that sound like the kind of performance you'd enjoy? Then why not go around with Signal Ethel at least for a few tankfuls? See if the way this super fuel brings out the best in your car doesn't make you want to stay married to Signal Ethel for always. It came as a surprise, didn't it, Gordon? In a few quiet, direct words from Peter Lacy. He knows about Vicki Leiden and is certain to tell your wife, Sandra, everything unless you fall into line. And that's why you're nervous on edge the next afternoon because you have to keep your rendezvous with Vicki and try to explain. You're thankful that you've made a habit of meeting her in an out-of-the-way place. A roadside inn some miles from Malibu Beach in the summer home that you and Sandra recently purchased. But with the knowledge of Peter's watchdog tactic, you're not at all relaxed talking to Vicki. I tell you, Vicki, we can't see one another anymore. It's all off. I shouldn't even be here now. Only to tell me to get lost, is that it? You know it, isn't that? Look, Vicki, after a while... After a while or a month or a year, it'll be the same. Hiding, secret meetings, wondering if every other person we see is watching us. But what can I do about it? You could go to Sandra and tell her about us. Oh, sure. All right, I know. You're not the guardian of the money bags. That's a crude way of putting it. Why bother putting it any other way? It's true. All right, Gordon. What are you going to do? Me? I don't know.  Instead, I'll just do the usual. I'll wait. You're okay, Vicki. You think so? Well, I don't. I think I'm all alone. I think I might be lucky enough to get you out of my system someday. I think you're the heel that you are. But I... I don't think that yet. So, I'll wait. I'll call you, Vicki, soon. Sure. All right, now I'd better get back to town. Can't tell who might walk in here. Yes, I know. Goodbye, Gordon. Wait a minute. What is it? That car outside just pulling away. Lacey. It's Lacey's car. He saw us together. What? Isn't either one who knows all about it? You don't understand. He won't wait now. Wait? He'll tell Sandra. He'll tell her everything. Oh, maybe not. Now calm down, Gordon. And drive slow on your way back to town. Yeah. Thanks, Vicki. I'll take care of myself. Don't worry. Driving back to town, you watch the mirror constantly and scan the side roads. No sign of Peter Lacey is there, Gordon. And yet, as the miles hum past, you begin to sense the only answer to the situation. Whether Peter saw you or not, he's a threat and he will eventually tell Sandra about Vicki. And when he does, Sandra will divorce you and you will be penniless unless you stop him. And somehow the car you're driving provides the answer to that, doesn't it? Yes, it's simple, isn't it? You can see it happening very clearly. Peter, a restaurateur always arrives home late and alone. He always walks from his restaurant to his apartment. All you have to do is wait. Your car motor idling. Roar forward at the proper time. It'll be over fast. And his threat will be ended forever.  Tonight. You're glad that it's over, aren't you, Gordon? You tell yourself that Peter probably doesn't know what hit him. Then you almost wish he could have gotten a look at your face at the wheel of the car. But there's only time to hurry home now and one more thing before you put the car away. Yes, you run one fender against the corner of the garage as you swing. The paint from the garage marks the dented area badly, doesn't it? No question how the car was damaged just in case. Entering the apartment. You're certain that you're completely in the clear. And then... Hello? You're lazy. Peter? Stay quite late. Yes, it's past two. Listen, my boy. I'm not going to play ball. I see. I warned you, old man. You're going to tell Sandra's that we're trying to say? That's it. A real pal, aren't you? You're certainly not thinking of Sandra's feelings. I think I am. The sound of his voice on the telephone hit you like an electric shock, didn't it, Gordon? And then the realization swept over you. You'd kill the wrong man. Yes, Peter Lacey is still very much alive. And now you're certain he'll tell Sandra the truth about you and Vicki. That will end everything, won't it? Sandra will divorce you. And you can't bear the thought of being penniless again. No, somehow you've got to prevent that divorce. Find a way to hold on to Sandra's wealth. It's on your mind all that evening in the next day. And by nightfall, you've decided what you must do. Yes? Oh, I'm sorry, Mrs. Haynes is away. This is Mr. Haynes. Help you. Your wife spoke to me a couple of weeks ago at the beach house in Malibu. Oh, yes, yes, I remember. He said if I found a buyer and the price was right, you might sell. That's right. Well, I do have a buyer, man and his wife in the east. I see. If you're going to be home for a while, I could drive over and pick up the keys. No, I was just going out, Mr. Jameson. But tell you what, I had planned on going down to the cottage next day or so. Suppose I give you a call when I get there. You can bring the people over. Well, that'll be fine, Mr. Haynes, fine. The beach house, Gordon, you hadn't thought of it before. A perfect place, lonely, quiet. Just the thing for what you have in mind. As you think about it, a plan begins to take shape. Step by step, you know exactly what you're going to do.  You'll never have to worry about money or Peter again. And you'll have Vicki, too. An hour later, you arrive at the Malibu beach house. Let yourself in. You stand for a moment in the outer hall. Look into the living room bathed in moonlight. The furniture covered with white sheets, just as you left it when you closed the house. It's a weird ghostly sight, isn't it, Gordon? Then as you snap on the hall light. Hello, Gordon. Well, Sandra. I thought I heard a car pull up outside. What are you doing here? I wanted to do some thinking, Gordon. Alone before talking to you. But Sandra, I wasn't expecting you. How did you get here? Peter met me at the airport. Peter? You let Peter know you were coming back early? Why? You may as well know, Gordon. Peter called me in New York. Told me some things that made me want to cut my trip a little short. He called you? Why? He's a good friend, Gordon. He met me at the airport a few hours ago. Told me all about you and Vicki Leiden. Oh, now looks all right. So did I, Gordon. I knew, without Peter ever saying a word, I knew I'd lost you to someone. All he supplied was the lady's name. Sandra, you haven't lost me. It's ridiculous. I'm the one who's ridiculous, Gordon. I took this trip because I thought it might help us. Well, absence, you know. I even got a full new beauty treatment for you. Had my hair bleached blonde. Thinking maybe a new Sandra might interest you. Or did you notice? Well, of course I noticed. You look very nice as a blonde. Thank you. Sandra, has it occurred to you Peter might be lying? He's been in love with you for years, you know. Has he? Well, of course. He'd do anything to break us up so he couldn't marry you. Or maybe this is repetitious to you.  He didn't drive me out here. I borrowed his car, drove out myself, alone. You have his car? That's right. You know, Gordon, what you've said about Peter's love for me, interests me. I've always been very fond of him. Perhaps I shall marry him. After our divorce. You watch, Sandra, as she turns away. Harry's back up the stairs. And then a moment later you hear the bedroom door close. Her sudden appearance at the beach house has startled you. And for a moment her driving out in Peter's car poses a problem. But you quickly see a way to turn that problem to your advantage. Slowly you move to the hall table, pick up the small antique clock with the marble base, and start slowly up the stairs after her. Sandra is seated at the vanity table, brushing her newly bleached hair. For a moment your eyes meet in the mirror, then she looks away. Holding the heavy base clock behind your back, you move up behind her. I don't care to discuss this any further, Gordon. I'm turning the matter over to my attorney in the morning. I don't think so, Sandra. What's that? Gordon! I don't think you're going to do anything. Sandra! You step back as she slumps over the vanity table, and slowly she crumbles to the floor, her arms sweeping the table top clean. You stare at the lifeless body at your feet. The overturned powder box, the hair pins lying beside her on the floor. You hadn't expected it to happen this quickly, had you, Gordon? But Sandra's early return from the east speeded up your timetable. Now you're thinking clearly again. You'll put Sandra's body in Peter's car, drive it down the beach highway, and push it over the cliff, an accident, Gordon, in Peter's car, and you'll be in the clear. As you hurry from the house and start toward the garage, you're suddenly aware of footsteps close by. Hello. Hello, that you, Mr. Haynes? Yes. Good evening, Mr. Morton. Just after a walk, saw the light, but I didn't rest again. Hello there, fellow. How are you? Are folks gonna move back in, Mr. Haynes? No, no. I just came down to open up the house for a real estate agent. We're thinking of selling. Oh. How's Mrs. Haynes? Fine. Just fine. She's in the east. Oh, rather, I should say, on her way back now, been visiting relatives. You're here now. That's enough of that. Granger, you're here. Found it. What's gotten into that dog? I'll stop it right here. Here. Come here, boy. Come here. That's you, boy. That's you, boy. Come on. Come on. We better be getting back home. I'm gonna be wondering what's happened to us. Well, good night, Mr. Haynes. Good night. Oh, nice to have seen you again. Yeah. Come on. Come on, Granger. Come on.  Wonder whether the howls of his dog made him suspicious that something was wrong. Whether he saw Sandra when she arrived. Mr. Morton could ruin everything, couldn't he, Gordon? But after a few minutes, you decide you've nothing to fear, but Mr. Morton was quite sincere in his friendly questions. You've no choice, anyway. You must carry out your plan for disposing of Sandra's body and making her death seem accidental. Quickly, you enter the house. Stop at the hall closet. Pick up the vacuum cleaner and some dust rags. You've got to go over the bedroom very carefully, Gordon, inch by inch. Make certain you don't leave any sign that would indicate Sandra was here at the beach house tonight. A half hour later, the bedroom is as neat as a pin.  A few miles from the house, you turn off the road. Drive to the edge of the cliff overlooking the sea. Ease Sandra behind the wheel. And then, leaving the keys in, the switch on, the car and gear. You get out and release the brake. Standing at the edge of the road, you look down. Watch Peter's car sink slowly in the shallow water at the base of the cliff. Then you return to the beach and try to sleep. Oh, yes. What is it, officer? Name's Slade, Sheriff's Office. May I come in? Oh, of course. What's wrong? Way to have some bad news, Mr. Haynes. It's about your wife. My wife? What's happened? There was an accident last night. The car she was driving went off the cliff a few miles down the road. Oh, no. No. She's dead, Mr. Haynes. Killed instantly. Sandra? Dead. Yes. When did you see her last, Mr. Haynes? About a week ago at the airport. She went east for a visit. You mean she wasn't here last night? No. I didn't even know she was in town. I wasn't expecting her plane until this evening. I see. Tell me, Mr. Haynes, how well do you know a man named Peter Lacey? Fairly well. He's really a friend of Sandra's. Known her for years. Where'd he last? She was driving his car when the accident happened. Peter's car? I don't understand.  They had a drink and then she asked to borrow his car. Said she wanted to drive down here to the beach house. Well, I wonder why? Lacey didn't seem to know. That's strange. She had no way of knowing I'd be here. You hadn't told anyone? Well, no. I didn't decide to come down here until late last night after I got a phone call from the real estate agent in Santa Monica. He wanted to show the house to a client. I see. Mr. Haynes, how long does it generally take to drive out here from town? Oh, an hour, I'd say. Lacey says your wife left him a few minutes before 8. She said she was driving directly out here to the beach house. That means she should have arrived around 9 or so. That's right. Yet you say she didn't arrive at all. The accident occurred sometime after 10. Well, she could have stopped for a bite to eat somewhere along the way, I suppose. See here. What are you driving at? Your wife's death, Mr. Haynes. We're calling it accidental for now. I don't understand. Then the car might have been deliberately pushed off the cliff. Pushed? You mean... You said this Peter Lacey was a friend of your wife's. How, uh, good a friend. Well, as I told you, they'd known each other for years. Matter of fact, at one time she was thinking of marrying Peter, and I came along and, well... Lacey. Good Lord, you're not suggesting that Peter had anything to do with... I'm not suggesting anything, Mr. Haynes. But I certainly want to have another talk with Mr. Lacey. A nice long talk. The cheapest battery you can buy is the battery that costs the least per day. 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It's turned out better than you expected, hasn't it, Gordon? Now that the police have turned their attention to Peter Lacey and suspect him of the murder of your wife Sandra. Even if the police learn about Vicki Leighton as they will after they talk with Peter, you can deny his accusations. It's your word against his now. And you're sure his accusations will sound like a desperate attempt to cover his own guilt. You return to your apartment, wait in town for some further word. And finally that evening you have another visit from Slade of the Sheriff's office. Tell me, Slade, have you had your talk with Peter Lacey? Yes, her assistant fellow at Lacey. He's been saying all along that your wife did show up at the beach house last night. And I tell you, she didn't. Surely you can take my word for it. We'll let the test decide, Mr. Haynes. Test? We found some interesting things at the beach house, including a picture of your wife. What's that got to do with it? Mr. Lacey says it's quite a recent picture of her, shows her as a brunette. Well? Mr. Lacey says your wife had her hair bleached blonde before she came back from New York yesterday. Well, I still don't see what that proves. It proves that your wife was at the beach house last night, Mr. Haynes. You see, we found a few strands of hair, bleached blonde hair and several hairpins. You know, you did a pretty good job of cleaning up that beach house, but you forgot one little thing. Forgot? Uh-huh. You forgot the vacuum cleaner. That's where we found the bleached blonde hair and hairpins. Just like a man, when you got through using it, you didn't think to empty the dust bag. Let that whistle be your signal for the signal oil program, the Whistler, each Sunday night at this same time. This month throughout America, churchmen of all faiths are calling special attention to the part religion plays in building and preserving our American way of life. 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