topic because we already talked a lot about it and no surprise big theme of the day but I'm gonna go back to it just to end the podcast because we obviously it's something we all care about even if we care about it in varying degrees Metroids back cool can we just back we just like reminisce in the fact that like it's truly back now that this isn't a dream it's happening two Metroid games are coming out sometime in the next however many years like we know they exist now it's not a pipe treat yet yeah like just my mind is still even as much as I make it Metroid right no Metroid I'm sorry I'm Metroid Prime the Metroid Samus Returns was like my least favorite game that was shown off by Nintendo it's still one of those things like I'm still in shock that like we're getting that and a Metroid Prime 4 that's happening it's not a Federation force it's not a hunters it's not like some side dish we're getting like legit Metroid games one for 3ds even if it's a remake and we're getting a whole brand new one in their most popular series of Metroid on switch like I was the person coming into you through that kept saying they're not gonna announce Metroid here's why and I laid out a bunch of the reasons that had to do with the fact that well it had to do with the fact that Metroid just hasn't been a popular series it's just never been their most popular game is like a bad selling Zelda game and when a bad selling Zelda game happens they just stop making that type of Zelda game so like Metroid is a franchise that's continued to exist and get new game after new game while other franchises that sold significantly better we're just left to left out the F-Zero until Metroid easily but they kill the franchise off it's done you only see it referenced in Smash Bros or like a track in Mario Kart you don't you're not gonna get a Nintendo Land on the Wii U name. Don't you dare forget that. Nintendo Land was good. Dude Nintendo Land was good. I enjoyed it. The Zelda one in particular I was a big fan of. Yeah the battle quests yeah all battle quests was great the F-Zero stuff the Pikmin. The Mario chase I enjoyed Mario it was a great party game. John chase me chase me yeah change the name on it. Mario. Yeah happens. It's a Nintendo for you. It's a series that I always wondered if it just was continued because it's Nintendo's primary franchise with a female lead and I hate saying that a female lead is why they continued it but I mean they had no other franchise with a female lead. I'm trying to think now do they even have it. I don't think that even a play for Nintendo honestly series. I don't think they even care about that. Well well if they only care about money the Metroid wouldn't even be here. I'm not saying it's not money either I think that they do I do think they know that their hardcore fans that have been with them since the NES days have been just clamoring for it and even if it's not gonna necessarily you know be the best-selling games that they're willing to try it again you know like Kid Icarus was a cult classic forever why would they bring that back it doesn't make any sense. That's fair. They never and never. That's what I'm saying they have game like like when you talk about you know like when you're talking about you know as an example like this is just for the hardcore fans I appreciate that stands but like the hardcore people then buy it they bought all these other games I'm not saying it I'm not saying it's because the hardcore is there that they're gonna do it at all it's not that they're only gonna market it towards the hardcore Nintendo folks because obviously that pool has been shrinking the last several years or so but yeah the switch will hopefully bring it back come on baby come on it's got a great start. Rest of the while it might be. I can't wait to see LTD sales of that we should we should be refining out end of this month I think in six days it might even be happening during the week this podcast comes out we should know some updated sales data in that game. I'm very interested. See if it's still on the switch. See if it's outpacing the switch. That's so cool. And the switch version too it's not. It might be it might be because they don't have enough switches out there. Yeah right so everyone's just buying both of them out. Exactly. I bought a link between worlds before I had a 3DS in fairness. Really. So. Respect. Hey you just wanted to be that day oneer right. When I get my 3DS whenever I ended up getting it. Just have to go to those midnight releases. Gotta enjoy that launch party. I don't think I'm gonna go to any more midnight releases after the switch though because by the end of it I had to pee so badly I think I almost died. You're doing it wrong. You gotta do the pre-order. I'm telling you I breezed in at like eleven forty five with my pre-order in hand I was out in fifteen minutes is like all right I'm going back to bed. That's the way to do it. Alright. Pre-order and the switch was so smooth. So we did it at GameStop. We just breezed in. We were like a half hour early. We don't even have a pre-order right. We don't have to wait and lie to buy one. We already have it. But go in. They already checked this out. They put everything in bags. They had us just standing against the wall till midnight. They said hey check your bag. Is everything in there. Cool. You just have to stand here until midnight.  Go on. I'm like I'm like I'm like this is why I'm not in this thing. I've never actually had this happen before. I was there day one for the Xbox one and that's not at all how it was. You had to wait in line. But granted it still wasn't like you know I could have showed up at midnight and not had to wait because I already had a pre-order. That gets the joy of pre-order but like this is the smoothest I've ever seen. I gotta say though. Literally everyone was checked out and out of there at midnight. Nintendo has been putting GameStop through its paces with Amiibo. I have been one of those Amiibo hunters. I have been there at the early days. So it's not just GameStop. Best Buy, Toys R Us, They have it. Absolutely. I was at Target launches and all sorts of stuff and they've been awful and they have been getting better and better and better. So they're training retailers. Until Breath of the Wild Amiibo came out and if you didn't get a day one you can't get any. I lost Nate again. That's not true. You can get what the Boko bottom one. Yeah. You can actually get that at retail price on Amazon. They never sold a lot of them. But all the ones that people actually want. Generic enemy didn't sell well. Really? Huh? That's weird. The only Amiibo that I can find. Generic enemy. But like Guardian. I can't make more of those. I just don't care about them. And it's really upsetting for me. I can find only Animal Crossing anywhere. So since we're getting so on top because we talked so much about Metroid, clearly we don't really have much more to say right now. I could say a little but we can one thing I wanted to bring up. No, yeah, yeah. The actual last topic for today. I was just looking at the time and I'm like, you know what? Based on where we're at, there actually is still time to get this last topic in. So we know what we're getting essentially for Switch in 2017. They released a graph. We've seen the lineup. Looks I think mostly solid for a year one lineup. But we gotta talk 2018.  I'll even go first this time since I've been going last the whole time. And we're gonna give what our let's cut it off at five games that would be part of our ideal lineup for Switch. Oh boy. And 3DS in 2018. So my ideal lineup. Yeah, my ideal lineup for I'll start with the Switch because this one will be easier for me. My ideal lineup is that Yoshi comes out early spring, like February, maybe maybe even right before spring. It's kind of their momentum keeper. They followed that up because we're only going with five games. I'm hoping this is a game every month. They followed that up a few months later, you know, maybe right right around June. That's when they have Smash come out, which isn't even announced yet. So they have a Smash Bros come out. That's like their their party, their their fighting game, you know, that's their Splatoon 2 and Arm situation issue.  They followed that up because this is my ideal lineup. I have to throw it out there. They somehow some way followed up with the Pokemon RPG in August. I don't think it's gonna happen. But this is again, this is my on switch. This is my ideal lineup. So this is what I think would drive hype the most for the switch. They then follow that up with I hate, you know, this is like when I said the Smash before, I was talking about a brand new Smash, not a port. I didn't clarify that. So brand new Smash 5. Ambitious list. How long has it been since they stopped working on it? Those amiibo aren't even out yet. It's got nothing to do with making a new Smash game. They can put the C team. Oh, they could. Will they smash? We'll find out in 2018, apparently. I don't think so. The thing is, I'm also the belief that Sakurai is never making another. Exactly. I agree that. I think Sakurai only was doing it because he's expressed several times. So he doesn't want to do it anymore. And I think he was only doing it because of his relationship with Iwata. And Iwata is not around, sadly. And he like kills himself every time and he's only getting older. I mean, it's not worth it. Yeah. So it's going to be, I think a new story or if it is the same company, if he's not going to be involved. Anyways, that's my ideal lineup so far. So what was that in three games, right? I had Yoshi. I'm not even a metric Kirby Kirby's going to come out somewhere in there, too. I'm excited for that Kirby, by the way. Oh, I'm excited for the Kirby game. But but this is just my ideal five game lineup. So I have the Yoshi early. I got smashed kind of in the middle. I've got Pokemon kind of it was a Pokemon snap. I need to Well, but whatever this is, this is my satisfy your Pokemon requirement. Or is it not count for you? No, I Pokemon RPG. That's strictly what I want the ideal line to be. Um, it's not going to happen because there's no way they released in the same year, but Metroid Prime 4 coming out. Not as a big holiday title, but as a tweener, being that October release like Mario Odyssey is now even though Mario Odyssey totally could be the end of the year game. I think yeah, I mean, they could pull off like a this year where they released Pokemon in October and then try to let Prime 4 be like the holiday game to push sales. But they lost Prime 4 there. So that's four games. Man, this is this is where this is where things get really heated because this isn't going to happen.  A brand new Zelda game. Unbelievable. The optimism of this guy because the because no, no, here's my here's my here's my theory behind all this. This DLC, this DLC that that's being made, it's already done. They've been done with this DLC. What they worked on during that entire delay of waiting between the Wii U and the Switch with Breath of the Wild is the DLC. That's my theory. So if they just worked on the DLC that whole time and they haven't been doing it, that means I'm expecting them to Majora's Mask as bad boy two years later, the second Zelda game based on the same engine. That would be cool though. I would say I would really enjoy that because they've done it before. I don't think it's going to happen. But this is my ideal lineup like if they get Pokemon, Metroid, Zelda, Yoshi, Smash out the same year, that's gonna top your one. Yeah. That's well, no, because we don't know how big Mario Odyssey is going to be. So the tune two is huge in Japan. Right. Huge. And they have Monster Hunter Double Cross coming to switch in Japan as well. It's gonna be huge. So we can't underestimate that Japan can actually drive huge numbers since it's the portable intro huge numbers for 3DS. So again, but I think if there's going to be anything that can compete with this really big year one we have that can almost do it. And yes, I know it involves Zelda again. But I firmly believe Nintendo has the ability to two years this bad boy and get a Switch exclusive Zelda game out. We'll see. And that's what I'm hoping because last time they did that. It was awesome. They haven't done it since. So I'm hoping that they're like, Yeah, we didn't build this engine for a one time use. I would love to see a twist on the wild that was as awesome a twist as Majora's Mask was on Ocarina of Time. Oh, absolutely. Exactly. Exactly. So for 3DS, for 3DS.  And it's tough because look at the lineup I just said for Switch, why am I going to have time? Right? But five games that can make me play my 3DS next year. My ideal, my ideal 3DS games, I would come back. I want a new advanced game. Please. Oh, great call. I want that game so bad. I mean, I'd love to see it on Switch, but but if they're going to properly support 3DS like they claim, I want to see that happen in spring. I know I just ragged on remakes earlier. Some people are not really blow me up. But I actually would like to see them. I don't know if it can be done. But I would like to see Mara Sunshine get remade on 3DS for 3DS. I don't know if they can do it. Wow. I'm 3DS. It's going to be rough. But I think the new 3DS can handle it. I think it might end up being like a new 3DS exclusive. Like they did was you know, because they've already done this before that it was you know, played if they could do it was you know, played from the weed. They could do it was yes, they could. They could now that as soon as I remember wait, they've already done this, they can do it. Obviously, will they do it? I don't know. But that's what I think because that would be like kind of a nice like, you're coming down from Odyssey and like here we're releasing like this underappreciated really awesome 3D Mario games. People are open that 3D hype, you know, on 3DS. And that obviously could set up a potential future. Hey, we're also going to port it and make an HD in the future. But we're going to start it on 3DS because that's the bigger install base. And we need to push 3DS sales. That's that. And then we follow up with with about August release of people are going to hate me. Oh, 3DS on 3DS. They put it on 3DS instead of switch on 3DS. Yeah. That's why I said people are going to hate me because they're going to want it on switch and they put it. It's probably coming to switch by the way, just people know Pikmin 4 is coming to switch. Okay, it just is but in my world, I don't think Pikmin sells enough. And a 3DS could use a game like a Pikmin 4. And there's actually a surprise. I'll throw this at the end for switch. I have a surprise game for 2019. They'll announce it in 2019. But alright, so those are I got those three games. One of them I'm going to really hate it for I just know might even get hated for Mario or whatever. The thing is, you're going to hate me, but you guys don't know you're gonna buy it. I buy I buy pretty much anything Nintendo makes. It's never let me down to the point where I'm like, Alright, Nintendo, let's take a break. By the end of the year, we're going to do I think around October or so a new ace attorney, love ace attorney. We'll love to see another one. And my pipe dream game for the holidays. We just talked about it before how it's an abandoned series. Yes. They're not confident enough in it for switch, but they'll bring it back up 3DS with a new game, not a remake to test the grounds, even though you can argue a certain indie game on switch. Oh, it's great game. There's an audience, but but it bring back at zero is a big holiday game out of people. It's a big deal. It's a big deal because if that sells well, it could eventually come to switch. And then my surprise announcement, we'll just throw out what we could all throw in one surprise announcement from E3 for 2019. Animal crossing switch. But that will be a 2019. That's mine. Eric is like, I don't know what to say. I can't follow. Just give me as many games as you can. Okay, switch 2018. Yes, man. I don't care about anything else. 3DS. I know you guys like we love mad 3DS. I would actually play it have zero if they brought it to one game that is one game that as long as they bring back the death wheel, the spinner, okay, they get rid of that in the second one. And it was just all of a sudden you died and you're like, Oh, this is boring.  That was fun. That was fun. So as long as they bring that back, I would actually probably play my 3DS again. You know what game? Oh, I can't. I already said I'm on a list. I can't keep up bringing up games. Yeah, because that just reminded me of another game that I want to come back that would be perfect for 3DS, but I'll wait and see if anyone else picks it up before I do. Let's go over to Mr. Daniel. All right. Switch 2018. Dream line up. What do you got for me? I would say, okay, yeah. Only five titles. I would say Skyward Sword HD. Because we could be talking all day if it's unlimited. Skyward Sword HD comes out. You got your motion controls built into your Joy-Cons. Boom. Perfect. And there works better than the Wii Motion Plus. Perfect, okay. You got Smash. I would say, you know, Smash 5 is not gonna happen next year. So I'd be totally satisfied with the Smash 4 Deluxe with all the DLC and then maybe they throw in a couple new characters and stages. Ice Climbers. Yes, ice climbers. Eight player Smash. All ice climbers. Free for all. All right, so we got a port and a remake. What else we got? And then they bring, okay. I actually had a list and then I totally lost track of where my brain was. Oh, you have to mind me. I've been up since three in the morning. Oh, she's swamped. Yeah, it's late to say for him. All right. What do you got? You got three more, three more titles. Okay, so then Yoshi comes out. That's gonna be great. Yep. All right. Star Fox. We got another Star Fox game. I'd love to see that. I really enjoyed Star Fox zero, but it kind of left me wanting more. Nice. And then I want Pikmin 4 on the switch. I don't want it on the 3DS. You're wrong, mate. Pikmin 4. Pikmin 4 on the switch. Yeah, that's my five switch games. 3DS. I'd like another smaller scale Zelda game along the same scope of Link Between Worlds or Triforce Heroes. Yeah, like that kind of scope of Zelda game. Another Mario game along the lines of 3D land, even, but a little more to do along the lines of the 3D world brought. And then they could bring Tropical Freeze to the 3DS as well like they did with Darko Country Returns. And I'd be all over that. Okay. Another Fire Emblem game because I really love Fire Emblem. We haven't talked about it all day. I know they just come up with echoes, but they can do fates and then echoes. They can do another one. And plus we know that there is supposedly a Fire Emblem game coming to Switch in 2018 too. Yes, they announced it. We don't know anything about it yet. So, I mean, I wouldn't mind seeing one on 3DS in Daniel's Dream World. Not the Warriors one. That is coming to 3DS. Man, Awakening, Fates, and a Third Generation. Even if they do another remake, if they did Shower Dragon again or something, or if they did Sacred Stones again or just ported over something more. Just more Fire Emblem. Just more. A port of Fire Emblem Heroes from the phone. No, I played 15 minutes of that game and I was like done. Well, you said something. I actually really didn't care for it at all. And then I would love, and this sounds like farfetched, it's not Federation Force, but it is. It's the story of Federation Force from Samus's perspective. So, all of these events that happened, and Samus is sort of like she shows it in the background and passes through. So, like the game everyone wanted. I wanted to go as like, I wanted to have both. I don't want to give up Federation Force because I was never one of those people that was like super angry at the announcement of Federation Force and like, because I love all the universe expanding ideas. But I would like to see Samus's side of that story too. Like that would be a really cool like, even if it's just a smaller like, short game or something. I'm gonna, am I a four? Five J, what do you got? That was five? What do you, no, that was, I don't know. I'm done anyways, that's all I can think of. Sure. Yeah. Close enough. Pretty sure that was fine. We'll go with it. I don't have to find like, these are for Switch and these are for 3DS. He's dead. And I was not, am I not here? Uh-oh. He went to- He might have died. He might have said something on Discord and I can't check Discord. I'm on folks who check my hang on. Yeah. He's still in the chat. Yeah. I'm here. You hear me guys, you hear me? Oh, there we go. He's back. Oh, he, he's just like, sorry. I had to go to the bathroom quick. All that was going on. Yeah. Okay. Excellent. Yeah. I was gonna say, I don't have a- What do you got? Five games for Switch or 3DS and I don't have 10 games here because I was not prepared for this question. But I do have some definite ideas. How was the idea there to be honest? You're good at it, you're good at it. So I came up with someone while we were talking. For one, I would love to see a Mario 64 remake. Right? Right? So, so you're talking about Sunshine, I want to see the original remade because the one on DS was cool, but it was, it didn't have analog controls, which kind of stinks. You didn't have the fine tune way to move around. The graphics were simultaneously better and worse on DS. Like the models were better, but the textures were even worse. It was so weird. So I would love to see them do it right. It's more like a port. Yeah. Yeah, it was basically a port and they added new characters that didn't change things all that much really. But it was fun and I want to see them do that in high def. It'd be awesome. It was just cool because it's like Mario 64. Exactly, exactly. And it could be a virtual console or whatever. But still, I would love to see a remake there. Okay. All right. I was, huh? Switch or 3DS? I want everything on Switch, honestly. I'm done with the 3DS too, but... Okay. Done with 3DS. So you're ideal line up in 3DS? I know they can't do that. I know they can't do that. So I don't know what to say. So I'm just going out to games and where they want to put it is fine, whatever. I'll play them. Sure, sure. I was also going to say a Star Fox. They kind of have to really try though, because they failed big with zero. They were trying to shoehorn in those controls, and so many people would turn off by that, even if the game was halfway decent. And it feels like they haven't really advanced the series ever. I mean, even Star Fox 64 was a remake of the original. Did Miyamoto say the only reason they even made the Star Fox is because of those controls? Because they weren't going to make it difficult to do something new? That's the thing, that stinks. They can't come up with new ideas. The thing is no one wanted that, right? No one want, you just make the same Mario games all the time. Why can't we just get back to Star Fox? Yeah, but usually the new Mario games have some sort of new hook, and it's like they can't think of a new hook to add. New Super Mario Brothers, new Super Mario Brothers, you and new Super Mario Brothers. The little tiny hooks here and there, you're right. They're not massive, but for some reason, every new thing to add to Star Fox is just reviled. Like, oh, that wasn't good. We don't do that again. They can't find a new way to include it. Time is over, that wasn't good at all. Right, right. So I'd love to see them get one right, and I don't know that it will ever happen, especially not next year. Okay, get a Star Fox right. F-Zero, I think that they should do it. I think it makes sense. I think that it would go into arcades well in Japan. I think it'd be a great idea. I know that it doesn't sell amazingly well, but I think that's a matter of finding a way to appeal to the folks that didn't appeal to before. It could be a marketing thing, you know? I think they could pull it off. And it's been a long enough time now, that they probably built up a little bit of a cult following. And I think that helps. And Metroid, I think, it's going to help there as well, too. I want to see a top-down Zelda, which is kind of along the lines of what has already been said there, you know, the smaller Zelda. But what would almost be cool, though, is if they went back to the Zelda II style and gave us a semi-Zelda RPG. Right? Right? That'd be really cool. So, I love it. I love Zelda II. It's so hard, it's so good. I'm just kidding. Not a Nintendo property, but I would love for it to be Nintendo exclusive. I want them to bring back Mega Man and put it on the home where he belongs. I mean, he's had so many great games on Nintendo systems. And they've reinvented Mega Man successfully so many times. Probably the latest ones that was really great. Mega Man Zero on Game Boy Advance. Really great games there. It was a lot of fun. And I'd love to see them do something new again. Or even classic. I don't care. Bring it back. Put it on Nintendo. Well, they kind of did classic with Mega Man 9. They did 9 and they did 10, but those were both from the Wii era. That was a while ago already. So it's... Well, I mean, that was more soon than the Game Boy Advance. That's true. That's true. But this was reinventing. They reinvented it with Mega Man Zero. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was just a total. So I'd love to see them do more Mega Man. Maybe give us a classic style and a reinvented style. But if they're going to do classic, I want them to do Mega Man X in 2D again. No more of that 7, 8-in-command mission 3D garbage. Give me a 2D X. Well, and Mega Man makes a lot of sense. Yeah, great. Because it's not a smash. Absolutely. So it's kind of a good time to be like, Hey, we put up a smash, but we're just bringing it back. And I guess I didn't put this out there yet, but it just occurred to me now. A similar deal. They got a brand new show coming out. Let's see what they're going to do with Castlevania. Right, because they had a bunch of exclusive Castlevania games on Nintendo consoles that were RPG, like the Symphony of the Night style, the Metroidvania styles were pretty much mostly on Nintendo systems. And they had, of course, the first and the best one on PlayStation. But still, the other ones were very, very good. I'd love to see a new style of that on the Nintendo system. But you know, that's Konami. So they're going to burn that to the ground. Yeah, and Konami. Right, exactly. Castlevania Pachinko. Yeah, that's going to happen. On your Switch. Play Pachinko on your Switch. That's going to happen right there. Bring it with you wherever you go. Virtual currency that you buy with real currency that you cannot turn back into real currency. And then two, these are my last two that I'm thinking of right now. But they're related. Sure, sure. Very, very deeply. And the community is desperately asking for these. I want to see an Earthbound collection where all three games are there, including three which they have not brought to America yet. Yeah. Okay. Amazing, right? Good call. Then let's see Earthbound 3 slash Mother 4. I want them both. I'm getting greedy. I don't want one or the other. I want to see, I want it all, you know. Give it to me. And put it in 3D? Sure, why not? That's what they were going to do on 64. I want it. I want it so bad. If it wasn't for the fact that the creator said it. Yeah, but they don't need the creator per se. And then people would have to realize that it's going to be a different feel and they might be disappointed by that. But I don't think that it's impossible to make a good Earthbound game without him. It's been so long. It maybe won't be as good, but it doesn't mean it can't be a fun game that we all enjoy. Sure.  That's cool. I do want to throw an honorable mention out there, and I'm going to keep doing it until this game gets made. I mentioned it a couple of times in the past year. I want them to bring back in some way, some form a proper tennis RPG. Dude, the sports RPGs were so good. That, dude, I don't know why they went away from that. It sold well. And the game they make now for the Mario, like the Mario Sports Games do not. So why don't you just go back to the RPG? That stuff is still RPG-like. That's the thing about it. That's what upsets me, because their games are actually good. And what really actually did look really good to me was Mario Sports Champions. But on the 3DS, no interest. I would love to see all those games together on the Switch in an RPG-style sports games again, where you're leveling up your stats and... Speaking of sports games, so none of us want to see Wii Sports? You cut out on me there. I didn't catch what you said. No one wants a sports game. No, Mario Sports is all the way. They need a Mario Sports Resort. Like, you know how they hit the Wii Sports Resort? Like, all of these Mario Sports games. I just thought of another. One huge game. I did, too, actually. Oh, hold on. Eric, I know that if I had to say this, Eric Hartley had the games he said he thought of another. What do you got? What do you got? I want to either bring a updated or brand new level ball. Oh, cool. Splash from the past. I'm drinking love bubble black today. That is... wow, okay. Did you see another one? No, that was the one. I'm surprised you did this in a new balloon pop. Oh, that's another cool choice. And you could definitely... You could definitely then also be paying homage to Iwata that way as well to say, hey, this was a great idea, especially was it balloon kids on Game Boy? That was a really cool one. Yep, yep. The other game that occurred to me that I'm always a big fan of, but I don't think is a particularly big seller, pilot wings.  And you're going to start talking about that. I'm going to start saying I want things like Skies of Arcadia 2 to happen and come out on Switch. Sid Meyers' Pirates? Oh, we're getting lots of Pirates games already on various other systems. Lots of Pirates. Yeah. Yeah. But we don't have it on Switch. We need our own Pirates game. Yep. Nintendo needs to buy back, uh, Res and Sea of Thieves over here. Totally. Sea of Thieves actually looks really good. Really good. Almost looks like Rare might have some talent left. They hired new talent. Make a non-crappy remake of, uh, Conker's. Yeah. My ultimate pipe dream is that there's a new Conker's bad fur days. Oh, that's not crappy. But that'll never happen. Maybe Crossplay is a multi-platform version. Yes. That as a sucky, because I've had this Crossplay, I mean this multiplayer... Probably multiplayer season was terrible. Oh. What? I did, like, pee in the people outside. Yeah. In the bathroom. Yeah. I don't know why. It's just totally fit with Conker. Yeah. Oh, no. Conker is messed up. Except Conker's Cocket Tales. Wasn't that only in the first one? I don't remember. I don't think that was in the second one. It all blends together, I mean. Yeah, I don't think that was in the remake. I don't care. Expect remake. I'm talking about a new Conker anyways. Well, right. Forget the old Conker. Wow. He can't. The old Conker. Did he die of alcohol? Probably, yeah. He didn't die. Anyways, that's gonna do it for this... This extra long, but very good. This is a great podcast to come back on. For the longest time with just me and Eric, I actually plan from here on out to have at least one, if not two people in addition to me and Eric, every single week might be Daniel and 5J, might be a certain current... Yeah, I'll just say, a certain current editor-in-chief of Zell conformer has recently been talking to me about trying to become a regular. And, yeah. He actually wants to do a lot more internal climbing in general, so we'll see. You guys might see him around a lot more often. Who knows? But yeah, and I'm hoping that every now and then I can bring in some special guests. In the past, we've had Mason on. I've been talking to people like HMK and some other YouTubers, because this podcast exists on YouTube. So bringing other people from the YouTube community, it just makes a lot of sense. I mean, there's still Eric and I, right? We're the life of the party. I'm the one everyone wants to shut up when Eric talks. And Eric's apparently the hot one, according to our channel. Yeah, yeah. That I think that's the first time that's ever been said. Well, I'm taken. So it's okay. They can fawn over you. It's cool. It's cool. I mean, do you see this? I actually don't see it. I don't know. Just a chin? Yeah, a little bit of that chin. You'll see it. Just see it when we do one of the podcast. Well, guys, yeah. I literally, for the first time in my life, rubbed his chin. I kind of liked it. All right. So I want to thank everyone for joining us here on The Tender Prime Podcast. Both are guests slash people who actually work at The Tender Prime.  Go follow it. It is amazing. I watch his streams during the week. Very often. Just because, yes, I do. Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things where I start to do it because I feel like I owe you. Like you're doing this stuff for free, free weekend live streams. I mean, I got to show some support. I probably could do a better job than just watching it myself. I could probably share the streams, to be honest. I'm actually not doing as good of a job as I want. I feel the same way. I feel like I can give you more as a streamer as well. I'm advertising now. Like go watch him. He does excellent streams. Usually a lot of retro games, but he does some newer stuff, too. It's fun stuff. I really enjoy his streams. Go check him out. Daniel, I don't know what Daniel's been doing for the past months. He hasn't been making videos for us. I haven't seen any at his YouTube channel. I wondered for a while if he was even alive until today. When I'm like, hey, does anyone want to be on the podcast? He's like, oh, yeah, what time? I'll be there.  Wait, you exist? Well, actually, what I've been doing is I've been also helping Game Over Jesse. He's been asking me to help edit some of his videos for him. So I've been helping him out a lot. And then I've also been sleeping a lot. He's been begging me. He's been like, Nate, will you please come on one of my videos? He's a good guy. Come on your video. And I'm like, he's great. He is a good guy. I bet on something. Like the last time I did a video with him was he did a live stream before Breath of the Wild came out with a live Q&A session. And I came on as someone who had played a bunch of it at E3. And it was really, it was a lot of fun. I would like to do, let's say he's another YouTuber. He also kind of sort of works at Zelda Informa. I need to start getting more involved with the community. The problem is because Nintendo Prime, and I said this when I was hiring people this past week for the news team, I do 98% of the content, which means as long as I'm doing 98% of all the news posts and social media and all the videos, the last thing that I think of to do is, oh, I should email some YouTubers and do something. Like someone told me, like, oh, I should talk to Shiz easy, the guy who does boundary break stuff. And because he likes working with other YouTubers and he's got a pretty big following. And someone said, like, yeah, he'll probably end up working with you. I'm like, that sounds like an excellent opportunity. I have no time to remember to ever contact him to make this, let alone come up with an idea, besides, hey, when you come join the podcast, to even get him around. So it's like, I want to do all this stuff. I need like a correspondence person to set it up for me. Yeah. Daniel! Hey, maybe. I'm already in cahoots with Jesse, so I mean. Uh-oh. Yeah. And in McIntyre, I'm talking to Joe as well. And he's like, hey, I hear you like to edit videos. I've known Jesse, McIntyre. Hey, I hear you like to edit videos. I want a real toasty one. Oh, his voice. Dude, his voice is like butter. It's great. His voice. Yeah. Yeah, McIntyre was, I know McIntyre pretty good at HMK. I know Mason who, if you're listening, Mason, I might be hitting you up soon to maybe get me in contact with CND so I can get him on a podcast. Just because I really, I didn't follow CND much before. He did the one month wait for Switch. But I gotta say, he's pretty entertaining to do that. I'd like to get his thought. Like he was out of E3 too. So like I want to get an E3 podcast with other people who have played games there. So yeah, I don't know. Like I need to do more with more people, but I hope you guys out there in the Nintendo Prime universe on YouTube, Twitch, the Facebook, Twitter, at the website, NintendoPrimed.net. Hope you enjoy the content we do have and enjoy this week's stuff.  I gotta start responding to him because he literally like messages me every week. Hey, do you have time? Hey, can you do this? Hey, can I come on your podcast? It's like, the answer is always yes. Well, the problem is I don't know what to do after I say yes, because I don't know when I'm going to have time to remember to do it. Go watch these videos, guys. I edited some of them. Yes. Nice. Nice. That explained, that explained really well. All right. That's how people said that. No, actually, you're a really good video editor. You really are. Like, that's the one thing I will say.  I watch your videos. I like those. You like my long 10-minute rant? Can I put it on? I start cooking. He's not looking at it, but he's hearing it. So it's like a podcast for you of the Nate Rantz. All right, so just to wrap it all up, you could obviously follow me over on Twitter, at Nate Jantz, or Nintendo Prime, at Ninty Prime, or on Facebook, you know, Nintendo Prime. I've said this many times before. Nintendo Prime everywhere. You can support us on Patreon if you want.  I will have a podcast every week. There won't be like a two-week absence like we just had. And we've had this two-week absence in the past. We hit that mark no matter what I have to do. I don't care if I have pneumonia. I'll make Eric run a solo show if I have to. There will be a podcast. But it's only if we hit that mark. And now you guys know that, apparently, we only have one working mic. So we really, really, really could use some support right about now to get the new mic, or two new mics, ideally, because God knows, this is the third of this mic, and the two other died within six months. So this one's probably on its last legs, too. That's what happens when you buy cheap stuff. It sounds good, but man, it does not last at all. Obviously, Eric never has anywhere to follow. Just Nintendo Prime, like his shirt says. He's got Nintendo Prime.net on there. We'll check that out. I wonder if they follow you at 5J. You guys can check me out on Twitch, Twitch.tv, slash 5J. You can check me out on YouTube, youtube.com, slash 5J gaming. I also have a Facebook page and a Twitter. Just look for 5J on anything and you'll find me. Nobody else has that name, hopefully. Yeah. And you'll probably see them a bit more often because I promise at some point in the next two weeks, I'm not going to say tomorrow. In the next two weeks, I will get some social media shares and then some streams of likes. So I feel like, you know, I need to share the love. You share the love with me, I guess, or give some love back because I don't do anything to help you out. Your fan base has access to my logo and that's helping out. Get that branding out there. That sweet, sweet branding. And Dan, did you welcome to follow you anywhere?  No, you can. You can follow me on Twitter at Captain Bergersen. Captain is short for Captain because that's me. I also have my own YouTube channel called NSHG Films where I make... Well, I actually haven't posted anything on that channel in a long time either. So if that makes you feel any better. But you should still subscribe because it's quality over quantity, that's why. You never know when it's going to happen. Yeah. You never know when it's going to happen. Just like I never know when I'm in the videos coming to my channel. He's not going to let that die, man. No, no. You know what, though? Like, I keep bringing up, it's because of how good your videos are.  I don't care about that. Like, your Metroid... There's a reason that your Metroid video is, like, the featured video on the channel for, like, all new subscribers. Because your content is amazing. And I hold your videos up as, like, a pinnacle that one day I can reach. I don't want to be the same, but I want to get there. So, like, that's why, like, I'm razzin' ya. I know it's all on good phone, but, like, in all seriousness, dude, I miss.  I keep... I keep meaning I'm, like, halfway through an Earthbound video. And then my capture card broke. I didn't finish recording. And then I died a little inside. And then, like, you know... I'm actually doing an Earthbound playthrough right now, just throwing that out there. God. No, and now our fanbase is gonna be, like, oh my god, there's an Earthbound video, like, in the works. It's a hiatus for the next game. I'll release it when they release another Earthbound. It's coming! Yeah! That's great. He's the new Nintendo. Earthbound. It's coming! Someday. When they release Mother 3. We know you want Mother 3. We know you want Mother 3. That's great, Reggie. That's great that you know we want Mother 3. That's not what we want to hear. We know we want Mother 3. Well, give us an answer. Give us some legit teasers. Making me cry with nothing, with pain. Sadness. And apparently 5J wants Mother 4, so we'll just... Then you know what? We want our cake, and we want to eat it too, as they say. But I thought the cake was a lie. The cake, whatever. That wasn't on Nintendo, so. Right. All right, folks. We will probably all gather this group before we'll probably be together sometime again in the future. I hope you like this week's podcast, and we'll catch you next week.


Hi guys, this is Jason here from Nathaniel in this lesson We are going to continue our study of 16th notes by looking at a pattern Which you can play in the base hand or the left hand a chord pattern basically over 16th notes And then the right hand is going to essentially hold a steady pulse or just hold a very nice Colorful voicing of the respective chords which we've chosen from the exercise So if you've heard in the intro video the chords are quite colorful, right? there are these colorful major 7th chords some 9ths and then minor 7ths and then Like that chord. That's a nice 9th. So We're going to learn a few things about these extended chords or colorful chords if you will But the main point of the lesson is to cover the interaction between the two hands or rather the independence between the two hands if you look at it that way Where in the right hand is going to do something very machine like or engine like while the left hand in this exercise is the creative hand Now we've done quite a few exercises on 16th note independence Where in some instances the left hand is the pulse where the left hand plays something very Machine like and the right hand does something on a pattern But in this exercise the left hand is going to do a pattern and the right hand is going to hold the pulse So let's start with the left hand now and then move to the right hand The left hand is going to do all the all the chords mentioned in a very spread way in a spread voicing Environment as I call it. So what happens with spread voicing is the first chord for instance is E flat major So the way it's played is pretty much like how it's voiced on a on a guitar or more specifically a bass You know where the frequencies are too close to each other For the notes to be played like a normal piano triad in this case E G B flat so to make the triad shine cut through as well as bring out the bass Sometimes we then say oh it sounds too muddy. So let me move it a bit higher But then that ruins the bass So why not have both a non muddy sound and a sound where the bass really comes out and you get that booming piano bass, so How we voice it very quickly in the left hand would be Take the third of the E first chord, which is E flat major Okay, I will tell you the other chord shortly. So This is the first chord instead of playing the G here. I Take it to the top octave and Played above the E flat octave That's what we call the 10th interval right So there are pretty much just three chords in this exercise the first chord is E flat major Which I just showed you the second chord. Let's figure out how to play that. That's an F minor Which again sounds a bit muddy as you can hear probably so That's how I'm voicing it in the left hand That's F C A flat what is the first chord again E flat B flat G so for the first bar you're gonna pretty much have that And then next bar That's F minor seventh or F minor for now So I'd first encourage you to toggle between these two versions Spread voicing if you will of the triad On its own it just sounds quite nice, right? Right so the chord progression Basically is that but at the end I've added an interesting chord Which will come to life once I bring in the right hand voicing as well to play some blocks within the left hand So the left hand again, let's finish it off E flat G E flat major Then you go F minor F minor then come back to E flat major for the third bar and then you go F minor for half of the fourth bar and then You do like a B flat sus four or add with an ad nine So that's B flat F C Okay, I'm not doing Normal B flat major Sounds a bit more colorful Okay guys, so you have E flat major in spread first bar so you can go start with eighth notes Three and four and one. Okay, that's E flat again E flat three and four and F minor Three and four and back to E flat major and now F minor B flat nine sus four Okay, so it's F minor B flat F minor B flat F C Okay Get used to your fingers generally the pinky will obviously start off each voicing You have to put your thumb at the top because this is quite a stretch, isn't it? So you'll have to put your pinky and your thumb there and now the middle one can either be the index finger But if you feel that there's too much of a stretch You can decide between the middle finger being the actual middle finger which is that of course or The index finger in this case. This is really too much of a stretch. So depending chord by chord You have to decide which finger is gonna go in the middle in this case the middle finger for F minor I think the index finger works well there I mean middle finger is a bit too big for me. So I Do the index there? I'm also holding the pedal so that the sound rings and it doesn't Sound choppy since you're lifting your pinky off the off the E flat right or the first route E flat F minor E flat major F minor B flat Suspended I'm using my I think the index finger works really great and then come back Those are both the fingers those are both the voicings or the shapes of these Respective chords used in the lesson now I did not play this that way in the performance video at the beginning, right? I did something like this Right So this is engaging with the 16th note vibe which we've been doing all through this 16th note independent series Which which we ended up going like So I'm counting actually ease and hers in between the and so that's 1e and a 2e and a 3e and a 4e and so my entire grid is set up like this and Then I'm playing my notes at specific points on the 16th note grid Right and you need to do this within the grid then your timing really gets rock solid Even if you're an intermediate player who's played for a few years You may get it by feel or by vibe if you will a lot of musicians get that But I think if you follow people like your drummer or if you follow other members of your group Or if you just feel it by by listening and then getting it may not be perfect Right unless you've perhaps heard a lot of music in this genre Maybe then you will get it But then you still have to get it with some things like the metronome You have to get it into a studio to record your performance. So these things may not be that easy So it's always good to get the time internally within so that's where you can help yourself by counting 1e and a 2e and a 3e and I keep that going for a while 4e and a 1e and now let me sing the bass line and Then try and play it for you as well. Okay, the bass line is Okay, it's going at all those 16th note divisions if you will so let me now play that it's very tough to count it and play So you just have to get the hit points, right? I've put it out there for you to see so first chord E flat major This is how it goes One two three four one Trying to do the pulse with my voice A bit tricky right to get it with the voice but anyway, that's not the end goal The end goal is to do it on the keyboard. So that's your pattern for pretty much all the chords. So what do we have again? Okay, 1e and a 2e and a Okay, 1e and a 2e and a 3e and a 4e and a Those are your hit points the intervals you're playing within these hit patterns are One five three one five three five one five three one five three five by three I mean the 10th or the Octave of the three okay, and it follows on those hits one e and a 2e and a 3e and a 4e and right and a 2e and a 3e and a 4e and a 1 Okay, the other chords F minor E flat major F minor B flat Back to E flat cycles minor E flat major F minor boom That's pretty much about your left hand Let's now move on to the right hand where you're gonna discover a few interesting voicings of the chord to make it a bit more colorful as we say extended harmony and We'll also try and bring in the pulse amidst all of this left hand chaos moving on So for the E flat chord in the left You're playing pretty much as a triad Trying to add some color in the right by actually playing What's finishing off as the E flat major seventh chord, but without the need of playing the E flat Because E flat is already played in the bass and that is the root of the chord Which is supposed to be played in the bass. So why do The E flat there makes it a bit tricky for the hand why play four notes when you can just play three And it also sounds clean so You can play E flat major like this Create the overall product ends up being an E flat major seventh another great way to look at this equation is play E flat in the bass and play a G minor in the right hand and together It's exactly an E flat major seventh chord those are the four notes one here and Three there in this case I'm playing all the three notes of the chord here and spread and I'm just keeping it As a triad in my right hand G minor over E flat. You can also call it G minor slash E flat That'll become like a slash chord. Okay first chord Playing like that then F minor Again, I'm converting the F minor into an F minor seventh All right, I do that I'm playing a flat major triad that that's the upper extension of the F so A flat C E flat So far we've got ourselves two chords. You can just hold it for now E flat A flat With F in the base overall package is F minus seventh E flat major seventh F minor seventh now come back to E flat major seventh or else you could even add up An E flat major seventh plus nine or E flat major ninth Which is that F there that adds a lot of color so E flat dust can be played in two ways G B flat D in the right hand or That's a B flat triad over the same base spread voicing so That way so maybe the first E flat I'll play with G B flat D the second one It's actually at the third bar I'll play it with B flat D F that voicing so an F minor A flat there okay in the top end so all the chords E flat F minor E flat with the nine F And now I'm ending with that interesting chord we discovered in the left hand earlier that's B flat The sus chord here the B flat sus chord That's B flat with the fifth and the ninth over here and what do we do here? We play the same a flat major chord Which you used over the F minor which works perfect? for that B flat ninth sus four chord But I like to play it with another inversion maybe this version Just adds a different vibe so F minor seventh you play like this with a flat at the top end and The B flat sus nine chord You play this way It's a really nice dominant resolution back to E flat major seven in fact without the rhythm itself. It sounds quite cool. That's the chord And now coming back to the groove so let's just play the left hand on the 16th note Pattern that is and then we vibe in with the right hand just holding the chords for now E flat F minor E flat with the ninth F minor B flat E flat Remember the last F minor and B flat up late for half the bar So That is already quite a workout if you ask me but to add to this if you really can you could work on Generating the pulse in the right hand while you do this crazy 16th note pattern in the left hand so The right hand you could just start by maybe just playing the root or the saw of the scale Which is E flat and just see how it goes, you know Just One note One two three four one two three four one two three four Sounds good with and without the pedal now, you know when you just play the pulse And this is already so much of groove happening that it actually sounds nice with the pedal as well as without it You know this is without which With Okay, and now of course we don't want to just end our journey by playing a single E flat We want to play the voicings which we learned a very short time ago. So E flat F minor 7th Back to E flat with the ninth if you can F minor 7th And then ending with that B flat 9 chord sus4 Okay Okay And then Okay Now we need to play this as a pulse So 34 change two three four change two three four one two and back Okay, and then of course we somehow have to get that left hand pattern with the right hand. Let's see how it goes That's the interaction or that's the involvement between your two hands generally what happens in independence Whenever you work on it, you are always thinking like a drummer a drummer will always have something consistent going on like the kick drum In the case of a dance song will always go Do And then you have the groove around the kick or else in a normal drum groove You'll at least have the ride or the hi-hat doing the pulse or the time field, right? It'll go Whatever it may be The drummer is always giving you a groove element or a pattern as well as the pulse Right. Otherwise, how do you feel anything? You have to you have to at least send the pulse across to the audience They have no clue about this pattern This is just groovy. It's just nice and Groovy, but then if they don't feel the pulse, how are they gonna get up and do anything, you know You want them to dance don't you right so in the right hand you eventually build towards the pulse I understand it'll be tough initially because You still have to get acquainted with the left hand doing spread voicing in that 16 note groove which we discussed Then you have to work towards the right hand eventually playing the pulse starting off, of course, we're just holding the chords Right And it goes on Right guys, so let's just quickly conclude what we've done We have a four chord sequence over four bars or other maybe five chords if you add the turnaround chord So you have E flat major 7th your first chord played spread voicings always in the base And you're playing these upper triads in the right hand which shows off the color of the triad In this case the major 7th then the next chord was F minor 7th Spread F minor 7th with the upper extension a flat major. I'm trying there and Then come back to E flat major 7th or else you could even do the B flat on top giving you that ninth flavor and then Back to F minor 7th, but then in order to do something interesting at the end we then add it along with the B flat 9th chord sus 4 which is that E flat And it goes on And your goal or mission rather should be to play that interesting 16th note pattern Which we've discussed all through the lesson in your left And Your right hand will hold those chords and try your best to play it along with the pulse and Bring in all the dynamics and all the other flavor as well Don't just end by getting the max between the two hands try to Ultimately make some nice music eventually with a lot of purpose and a lot of feeling and a lot of dynamics So yes, you need to practice this one as hard as you can and do send it to me Once you've got it I'll be happy to hear it and get back to you with my feedback as well for sure So how I've normally concluded these 16th note lessons is to just play the whole thing really slow for you to just digest and hear and Really nail. Okay. Remember play it with a 16th note feel 1e and a 2e and a 3 and a 4e and or by now I guess you've got the the general flow of this exercise Eventually do it to a metronome, which is about 104 to 110 beats per minute 110 will be awesome if you can play to to that speed and that's about it Thanks again for tuning into this lesson and don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel if you haven't already Follow us on Instagram You could also support us on patreon where all my handwritten notes are there for pretty much all the exercises We will ever do on YouTube and have done in the past So patreon is an awesome resource if you could consider it and I will catch you in the next one cheers So let's get to the slow version


So what we're going to do since you guys were so cool, we're going to kind of turn this into a drinking game. So Digi has brought some booze with him. We're going to kind of pass some of it out as much as we can. Every time I say the word um, you have to drink. And I say um a lot. Do you want to just like pass them around? But you can just, alcohol kills all the germs. So whoever has it, you just keep passing whoever has it. When I say um, you have to drink. This is your official invitation to Toast Musters. Oh. Thanks. Actually I'll get with you later because I am interested in that. So my name is Tyler Cohen. This presentation is Look What My Car Can Do. I want to give a special thanks to Ben Joel, Mark, Rob, Peter, Zach, Matt, Kate, Maddie, and Charles. Now some of these people know that they helped me. Some of these people do not. So you'd be kind of surprised at how many people I asked if I could rip apart their cars and they said no. Like it's for science. Come on.   And in one of the photographs, there's a little hint from where that car came from. If any of you guys can see the hint, pick up on it and say where that car came from, Zach over here will buy you a beer. So just call it out when you see it. But it's in one of the photos. All right. So this is a disclaimer. Yes, I work for the Department of Defense. This presentation reflects my own views and not any of those of my employer. Anything that I show in here or talk about potential things that you can do, I take no responsibility if you happen to avoid your warranties. I also unfortunately had to tailor my presentation at the last minute. I didn't want to get fired or sued by Ford. So there are things that I'm not going to be able to say, but I can hint to them. So I'm going to give you an overview, just a quick introduction. We're going to talk about the technology, avenues of exploitation, resources, and then the future. So also I am a, I've had about 10 years of experience doing digital forensics. I've worked for the Department of Defense Cyber Crime Center, IBM, NASA. Everyone's like, what, you did forensics for NASA? What were you like, going after people from Uranus or something? Ha! Sorry, I think that was funny. It never gets old either. So that's what this presentation is going to be geared toward. It's going to be geared toward a forensic analyst and what they can get from these cars. But also as a user you have to understand that there's information that you're putting out there on these cars that is giving away stuff about you. So cars are not just for transportation anymore. They are now becoming entertainment centers, communication hubs. These vehicle systems now store and stream digital content and they're used as communication mediums. So it's not like the old days where your car was just your car. This is now, you know, in today's world people want to be connected to their social networks. They want to be able to find everything. They want access at their fingertips and they should. I do too. So manufacturers are coming up with really innovative ways to market and sell vehicles. Emphasis has been on technology, integration and safety. And Ford has been leading the way since 2007 with the inclusion of the Microsoft sync system in its vehicles. So I kind of look at Ford as what Apple did, how Apple reinvented the digital music players. Ford is paving the way for cars. So their systems are much more advanced than any of the other systems. So what are the designers thinking when they're designing these cars? Obviously they're concerned about safety. But aside from safety, Ford is really, really, really concerned with digital rights management. Now since they're using the Microsoft OS, we know that it's Microsoft DRM technology.  But basically what I'm saying is that the Microsoft DRM is vulnerable in ways, in any way that Microsoft DRM would be vulnerable, it's vulnerable in this capacity too because it's using the same technology. Designers are also thinking about connectivity, user-to-user and car-to-car ease of use. You just want your stuff to work and reliability. So what do I mean by connectivity? Cars are really concerned with users connecting to their user stuff. Your gadgets and their functions are being integrated into your driving experience. So I want my content and I want it now. I want all my music that's stored in the cloud and I want to be able to access it wherever I am. I want to be able to connect my phone and have it stream all of my information. I want to be able to use voice-dialing. I want it all just there. I want it to be easy. And then you also want to be connected to your user environment. You want to have your social applications available to you and you want your car to do it. My car, why shouldn't it give me the cheapest price of gas? Why shouldn't it tell me happy hour specials? My brother Zach over here, he likes using social applications to look for hot chicks and dudes. He puts it up, the augmented reality and he can see how far away a hot chick is from him. He can chat with her, he can say, yeah, I'm going to check in and I'm going to check in with you and let's meet up. Why can't your car do that for you? Ease of use, your stuff should just work. Most of us are pretty lazy. We just want our stuff to work. We buy it, we spend a lot of money, there shouldn't be any issues. So the car companies are moving toward driving, not interfering with your social life and things just working. That means more automation, more integration and more interoperability. That's a tough word. Exactly. So what does that mean for us? Well, the more automation, what does that mean? The more vulnerabilities and more vectors of attack. So these are things that I want us to just kind of be keeping in our minds. Reliability, again, things should just work. There have been some complaints with the Ford systems that I've been reading on the forums and then from people who actually have these cars. There's complaints that the car entertainment system reboots while driving, which is kind of a problem. Actually, not all of it, as you're going to see in a second. Not all of it is. Changing songs shouldn't take 15 seconds and stored data should be accurate. I know that you guys are all familiar with that story. I don't know if it's a true story or not, but woman was using her GPS data and it essentially told her to drive off a cliff so she did and she died. I don't know if that's true or not, but basically you want your data to be accurate. So stuff like that doesn't happen. Alright, so what are users thinking? They're thinking we want safety, again, ease of use and connectivity. Something that they should be thinking about is confidentiality of their data. There's a lot of data that I'm going to show you is actually stored on these devices. They need to be thinking of, you know, a friend could come into their car and get their data if they have devices set up for that. These devices have remote access now. They have wireless on them. There's Bluetooth or a forensic analyst, you know, could come and take, get your data. So they really need to be cognizant of what's being put on there. So, you know, if there's photographs or things on there that you don't want to be found, just don't put them on there. I mean, simple as that. What are hackers thinking? Well, what do hackers do? They make something do what it's not meant to do. So some things that have actually happened, some things that are going to be happening probably in the future, controlling the car remotely. So using the wireless, the communication system is connected and that's been proven I believe at this conference and then there was a study, a school study where they've dealt with attire pressure. It's been proven that these communication systems are connected to the car's onboard computer. So it is very possible to get a piece of malware, get it in through the communication system on the car, and then control the car. You can stop it, start it, really whatever you want to do. So hackers, good hackers, black, white hackers, they're both thinking about protecting or stealing personal data. So again, there's a lot of data that you have on this device. You really have to think of these devices like a computer. Anything you wouldn't want to put on your computer, you don't want to put on your car. Side channel comms, these cars can be used as communication devices when speaking to other cars and I'm going to show you at the end of this presentation the IntelliDrive which is coming out in about five years and cars are broadcasting, Wi-Fi coordinates and essentially you can use this for communication. You can use the Bluetooth for communication, you can use the wireless for communication and you can do these in such a way that your traffic is not necessarily going to be intercepted and I'll let you guys kind of ponder that one. Use these cars as peer-to-peer devices. Share your music, share your content. Surveillance, I can get something in the car so that I can monitor the car, I can see where it's been. So that's surveillance. Or again, just using it like Zach's going to do to just find hot chicks. It can also be used these vehicles for propagating viruses and malware. So my vehicle, get a vehicle for propagation because it's a vehicle. So you can use this car and this car can actually be a virus and it is infecting other cars as I drive past it. These are just potential things for the future, but not that far off in the future. And then forensics, which is where I kind of come into this and that's where the rest of this presentation is going to kind of go. Oh, if anyone has any questions, please just jump in. So what are stored on these devices? Now, these systems can store navigation data where you've been, where you're going, can save track data, save locations, previous destinations, which is a good thing too because you kind of have to find that mix between privacy and then usability. I personally like it saving my data because then that way I don't have to type it in because I never remember addresses and it's just already there. Phone related information, when you pair your phone up, it's going to save the Bluetooth MAC ID, pretty much most of the information on the phone.   It's not going to be completely gone, but at least it'll make it a lot harder for someone to get your data. Music files, image files, the Ford Sync Generation 1, you can put 32 photos on the car. User voice profiles, information about the car, potentially this is a kind of now, kind of in the future, stats on how am I driving, do I speed, all that kind of good stuff. Previously connected USB devices, wireless access points where you've been with the wireless, and then in the future, like I said, the driving habits. And if anyone can think of more that I missed out, just let me know after because there's a ton of data that's contained in those cars. Okay, so as a forensic examiner, why would I care about photos or songs? Well, these photos, oh sorry, by the way, Zach, I rated your music collection. You don't mind that I barge your ace of bass, do you? All right, so you think that that's just a MP3 file of ace of bass? It's not. It's tagged with Zach's ways to pick up hot chicks. Just a regular photograph. By the way, is that the cutest dog you've ever seen in the world? Yeah, he is. Like his little mohawk? Maybe. So that's a tagged photo as well. So, or child porn images, malware, really anything that you want to hide in there because if you upload any one of these files, whether it's tagged or you've manipulated it, as long as the header and foot are going to match, the car is going to accept it in. So you can use it as storage. All right, so these are two pictures of vehicles. They're embedded, fully integrated systems with the vehicles. There's two different styles that I'm showing you right now in the first generation. The first is a Ford Fusion 2011 without the navigation system. So you can see it's just kind of got the little teeny faceplate on the radio. And then you've got the full navigation system. Now, the navigation system gives you the ability to store data. Without the navigation system, the only way you have the ability to store data is on the Flash Ron chip in the sync module, which I'm going to get to a little bit later. But that's kind of what they look like. That's, I think, a Ford Edge 2011. Yes. Oh, no, no, no, no. It's much more subtle and it's later in the presentation. But you know this free beer means you have to sit and talk with Zach for a while, but maybe he'll go over his rules of finding hot chicks. So the first generation, Ford started doing this in 2007. And the first generation is to 2011-ish, maybe 2012-ish, because some cars still have this. Some cars are moving on to the second generation. Now, there are two separate components. Yes, there is that potential, but that's coming up in the end of the presentation. That's gen two. So this is still the gen one. But so it has separate components on the head unit. So you have a, well, I'll get deeper into that. It's got storage. It's got a hard drive in it. The second generation, some of the 2011's already have it, but it's really going to be the 2012's and 13's and up. It's a single integrated unit. So the Sync module and the NAF system are all going to be in one. And the storage, some of them will still have hard drives, but they're moving away from hard drives as storage. They're going to have a SD card that has a software lock on it and external USB storage and streaming for your data. So they're moving away from them having the integrated mass storage. Both of these generations are updatable through USB, which is going to be important later. All right, so the first generation, which is what you probably see on the road right now. The Sync module, the operating system is Microsoft Automotive, and it's a Windows CE-based operating system. Data is stored in this module, this chip, which I'm going to show you a picture of later. You can get all the phone-related information, music indexes, user voice profiles, and then there's a couple of other little stuff that's going to be in there, too, that could be relevant or might not be relevant, too. But it's stored in this NAN flash chip. The head unit, which is the NAF system, it's got the operating system. It's Clarion VXworks. And the way that we first found out that there were two different operating systems on the NAV and on the Sync module, we took the Sync module out of the car and the navigation system still worked. We're like, huh. So that was a hint for us that there were two different operating systems. It's got a 40-gigabyte pay-to-hard drive with a TPM style protection on it. Data stored, you can get music files, photos, navigation data. So this is the inside of the Sync module. You can see where the little arrow is pointing. That's the Samsung NAN flash. Now, when you open these up, it doesn't mean that in every car, you're going to have a Samsung NAN flash. It could be a different manufacturer. It just kind of depends on where that car was built, but it's going to be in roughly the same place and it's going to work the same way. So, again, this is going to contain the Microsoft operating system, previously paired Bluetooth information, contacts, call logs, SMS messages, phone history, save numbers. So it is of relevance if you're a forensic examiner. If you're trying to hide the data, it's also of relevance because you don't want it to be accessed. So you want to, again, delete the profile or wipe it or whatever. Now, I don't know how many of you guys have done a lot of work with doing forensics on NAN flash, but it's not fun. So, what you have to do is, there's a few ways you can do it. As you saw, there's a spare USB port on this device that you could try to acquire the NAN flash from. We actually didn't do that, so I don't know. There's also the JTAG ports right over here, kind of at the bottom. You can see them. We also didn't do that. What we did was we, not what we did because we didn't do anything necessarily, remember, hint, hint. But what could be done is you could take the chip, you could remove it, put it in this flash pack device, stick it in one of the sockets that it fits, and what's going to happen is it's going to spit out a binary file. And for those of you who have done any forensics on the NAN flash, it's kind of a pain because the way that it works is you have the wear leveling, which is going to be different for each chip manufacturer, but you can still figure it out. So for this one you have every sector on the flash can be written over only 10,000 times. So what's going to happen is you're not going to have consecutive sectors. And there's going to be, I've always forgotten if it's a 4K chunk or if it's a 16K chunk that has a numbering sequence. So it's numbered a chunk right in front of each sector that tells you where that sector goes. So what you have to do is you have to get this binary file out of this thing and you have to manually remove those chunks that tell you the number of where each chunk is, reorder them, and then you can pop it into any forensic tool. It'll just be a regular raw DD image file. So that's how you have to do it. Maybe it sounds complicated to you, maybe for some of you it doesn't, but it's really not that difficult. It sounds a lot worse than it is, so it is doable. So removing the sync module, I had a lot of other pictures. I mean we just tore these cars apart. And this one actually I got permission, my good friend Ben, who I wish he was here, when I asked him if I could tear apart his car, he not only said, yeah, of course, he said I'll help you, so he did. And this is a Ford Edge 2010. The Ford sync module is located behind the center console. It's really easy to get to. It's just held in place with clips. And then there's four screws and you just remove it. And then you take the faceplate off and then you have access to what I saw. Oh, one thing quickly, with this, when you pop out the chip to do the analysis on it, you're probably not going to get it back in. Just saying, you will void the warranty and unless you're a pro with a soldering iron, you're not getting it back in. Sorry, Ben. So this is the head unit. This is the front of it. It's got, again, the 40 gig pay to hard drive. This would happen to be a Hitachi Endura star. That doesn't necessarily mean that you'll have a Hitachi if you were to get one out or if you were to buy the car. I think they just kind of use whatever they have in batches. This is going to contain, because it's generation one, navigation data, track data, breadcrumbs, saved locations, previous destinations, and all your music files, which as we know could be staggered files. So acquiring the head unit. So I'm going to go over a couple of techniques that will probably work. All right. So this is, we remove the head unit. That's kind of what it looked like. There's also a picture that Ben wouldn't let me use of Ben standing there with almost a heart attack on his face that I ripped his car apart. And that's the back. You can kind of see on the second one where the hard drive was. You just pull it out. It's really easy to get the hard drive. Although I got to tell you, when you take the car apart, it's a lot easier to take apart again than it is to put back together. So any of you who are forensic analysts, you see this, you see that the drive is connected to a right blocker, and I've got it into some forensic tool. Yeah, that's not going to work. Now, why is that not going to work? Because Ford is really concerned with digital rights management and protecting music being imported to the hard drive. So they've implemented this TPM lock style protection where the hard drive is essentially looking for a serial number on a module in the head unit, so in the chassis. So without that, it's locked, and it's really difficult to get around that. But it is doable. So for example, if the hard drive gets corrupt or breaks, Ford's just going to replace the entire chassis. They're not going to get stuff off your hard drive. They're not going to fix it for you. They're just going to give you a whole new head unit with a new drive. So you can't take this hard drive and put it in another unit and have it work. It just won't, well, without some manipulation. So ways to get around this. Clarion maintains a master password that will help you unlock this device. If you can get to Clarion and you're nice to them and not necessarily lie, but tell them what you're interested in doing, they might give you that master password. Just saying. But if you're not nice, what you've got to do is you've got to find a way to get around the TPM style lock. And how do you do that the easiest way? You just keep the car running. You keep power to the vehicle and then it's not going to be an issue. So there's a hardware component that is in creation that what it does is it connects the head unit, the hard drive, and the laptop. So you can actually image this device. You can see in that map, it's a middleware component that keeps power to the car. So the car is still going. So you can just image it like you would normally image a drive. And that's probably the easiest way to do it. Now, my favorite way to do this, and you might want to look at these pictures because they're interesting. Hint, hint. Maybe. Why do you say that? Yeah. Where's it from? Enterprise, yeah. You have no idea how hard it is to go to Enterprise and actually request a specific car. They don't do it. I mean, it took a lot of social engineering to just be nice and friendly and say, you know, I really am trying to buy this car, but I want to test it first, you know. And the woman was so nice. She kept the car for me, hid the key in the fridge so no one else would get that car. It was nice. I appreciated that. I actually thanked her in the beginning. So this is a way that actually is probably, might be your easiest bet. This is exploiting the update process. So you go to the Ford website, you update the latest file, and you put it on your USB stick and then you stick it in the car and you go through this update process that you can see that we're doing right here. And it's a cab file. Now, if you were to able to get some code into this cab file and still make it readable as a cab file, you would be able to put software on the device that would allow you to exfil a drive through Bluetooth or through the wireless. So I don't want to call it malware because it's not necessarily malware because the purpose of it is different. All right, it's malware, whatever. Whatever, you know what? Sorry, DoD, it's malware. You can exploit this update process, customize this cab file, put your malware on there that will then allow you to exploit the Bluetooth and use it to image your file. And that way you're getting around the TPM log. Now, this way is kind of cool too. There's a guy in Florida, kind of a bit of a hermit, ecoastal.com, and what he's done is he's created some hardware that you put on the back. It puts the system into a canned diagnostic mode and what he does is he flashes the radio with predefined options. So again, you could use this method, you could flash the radio with these predefined options and some of those options you put on are, again, malware that allow you to access the car. And I'm saying this because this is what a forensic analyst would do, but keep in mind that these are also things that someone with not-so-good intentions could do as well. So they could put stuff so they could constantly get access to your car. I don't know, we haven't tried that. It could be something worth trying. So the second generation. So the second generation is going to be a little bit different. It's going to be a single integrated component. So the Microsoft sync chip is going to be in the head unit. And they're getting away from the Clarion VX works and the operating system for the nav unit and for the chip is going to be Microsoft Office and again, Windows CE-based. So again, exploits that we're going to work against Windows CE might work against this as well. They're moving away from having a hard drive. They're moving toward having all of their storage be an external USB drive or an SD card. And the SD card has a software lock protection on it. I haven't been able to get one yet, but I'm going to get one and play around with that. How come no one's drinking? I just said, oh, come on. So they have a full suite of wireless products. You can turn your car into a wireless hotspot. You can connect to any wireless network that you want. Again, that information is going to be stored in the chip. So that's information that you can get access to as well. Yeah, drink. How come no one's a drink? Someone drink. I saw you drink, all right. So this is the second generation 2012 Ford Explorer with the second generation system. And I thought that I was being a master social engineer here. I thought I was being so smart. So we dress up, we go to the Ford dealer, and I started asking him all kinds of questions, pretending like I'm going to buy the car and ask if I can take pictures of stuff so that I could show you guys what's going to be there. And I should have known that the true social engineer masters are car salesmen, because if my husband hadn't been there with me, I would have walked out with that car and an $800 car payment, because my car is still in release. Yeah, I hate they're like, what can I do to get you in this car today? And I've got stars. I'm like, anything. Yeah, that was... But that car is really nice, really nice. So again, this includes the SD card in the center console. You can see it. This is the Ford Explorer 2012. Or is this the F-150 Explorer? Okay. It's got two USB ports. Oh, that's important to note too. The USB ports are not connected to the head unit, the hard drive. So you can stream stuff from it, but you can't use them as points of doing a forensic acquisition. And this is important to note too. The only way that you can get information onto the hard drive, the photos, currently is through the CD. But then again, using some of these methods that I spoke about are ways of cracking that so that you can get your music on there through Bluetooth, through wireless, if you put that piece of malware on there using those other methods. It is. Yeah, it is. Can you say that louder? It is. Ford has attempted to firewall it off. And I'm saying, Ford is really leading this. They've really thought of a lot of things, but GM hasn't, Dodge hasn't. And as pretty much everyone in this audience knows, you can find ways to get around a firewall. But at least they're making an effort. So you can see on this SD card case, this contains the maps. It says on there, this card is right protected. It can't be used in any other system. So that just kind of shows you also it's software protected. But then I had my boy like, there is no information about this stuff on the internet. There just really isn't. So we had to do a lot of work. And Ford, Ford dealers know nothing about this because they ship out the systems to Clarion or to some other radio manufacturer. And they just bring them back. No one fixes them. So I had to work my way through Ford dealer to a radio manufacturer to Clarion and to Ford finally, the Ford engineer. So there wasn't a lot of information out there. So anyway, so this is the plastic case that comes with it. It's your maps. I think you can see that when the card is not in, the navigation system will just not work. So you have no access to your nav data. And since this is an all in one component, you need that SD card in there. So I think one of these is SD card fault. You need to insert it. And then the other one says it's now enabled so it can work. This is kind of an okay picture. I mean, the guy was like standing over me, like telling me all the options on the car. So I'm like sitting here drooling. Well, Matt's like trying to lean over me to like take photos. So this is just showing you what it looks like, the second generation, the wireless and internet. The wireless and internet is what I was most interested in. So you see, you've got your Wi-Fi settings, USB mobile broadband, Bluetooth, and then the prioritized connection methods. So you have a lot of options here. Oh, it even has a nice little map that kind of shows you what you can do too. And then here, this is just to show you the wireless options. You can go to Starbucks and get on their network. And I don't know.  Hey, I think I'm funny. So again, I haven't done a ton with the wireless, but I will tell you that most of the wireless hacks that you've seen at this conference that you know about, that you've researched about, they're going to work here. So again, what my concern is is I saw this CSI episode, which is the way they did it wasn't accurate, but what they said kind of was that they had a hacker who wirelessly got into a car and he was able to make the car drive to some location that a guy ended up getting murdered at or something crazy like that. But there are ways to get in wirelessly to the car and eventually control the car as these young gentlemen will probably be talking about later today at three. So just kind of be thinking about that. So what's the future? So future integration, one thing that I'm kind of interested and I'm sure is going to happen is what I had mentioned before, using your car itself as a virus, whether you send the virus out over wireless Bluetooth or this new IntelliDrive that I'm going to show you or various other methods. I mean, it's kind of cool, but it's kind of scary, too. I mean, you could set up some kind of hotspot and have someone drive by and their car just shuts down. And using the car as a communication channel, say I, oh, 10 minutes, wow. Say I had something that I had to talk to Matt about and I didn't want for Zane to be able to read it. So I used my car and his car and we communicate on a protocol that Zane might not be looking for. And obviously that's not something you'd really use it for. Broaden your mind, like think about it in covert channels, ways that you need to hide your data. So I'm going to show you this video because it's damn cool. And this is showing you the future of this IntelliDrive. And while you're watching it, think about the possibilities and the potentials for this technology, using it as a communication device, surveillance, sending out viruses. Or just saving lives, which is what it was meant to do. Back now at 745 with remarkable new technology designed to keep you safer behind the wheel. CNBC's Phil LeBeau is at RFK Stadium in Washington, DC with an exclusive first look at something that could prevent thousands of potentially deadly collisions. Good morning to you, Phil. Good morning, Meredith. Imagine your car could talk to any other car or truck on the road and warn you if you were about to crash into each other. It's called IntelliDrive, and it may sound like something out of the Jetsons, but it's closer than you think to becoming reality. It happens every six seconds in the U.S. Car crashes. Head-on side impact. Or rear-end collisions. More than 5 million in 2009, killing almost 34,000 and injuring 2 million more. A group of major automakers, including Ford, GM, and Toyota, are developing a technology called IntelliDrive that will allow cars to communicate with each other and warn drivers when they're about to crash. We feel that the IntelliDrive program fully implemented can save up to 80% of traffic accidents for non-impaired drivers. Here's how it works. Using GPS transmitters and Wi-Fi, cars constantly send out signals with their location and speed. So a driver about to be broad-sided at an intersection would be warned to hit the brakes and avoid a collision. We want it to be like a vigilant co-pilot that they have with them all the time. We tested the technology with engineers from Ford, first at a blind intersection. Looks like it's safe for me to go, so at this point I'm going to accelerate. Whoa! Not a good idea. And attempting to change lanes. With this system, it warns you if you're going to lane change into another car. So here's an example. Right there, the system warns me that in the lane right next to me, there was a car that I would have hit. With technology that helps prevent rollovers and drifting across lanes, cars are already doing some of the thinking for you. And Google is testing a car that does the driving for you. It's possible that someday cars will drive themselves like the space vehicles on the Jetsons. Hey! Looks like I'm opening up ahead! Until that day, Intellidrive will make a big impact on safety. I think this has huge potential. A huge potential to reduce crashes on our freeways. And save lives. And save lives, which is really the ultimate goal. So when might we see Intellidrive in all new cars and trucks? Well, maybe five or six years down the road. It'll take the federal government some time to make the rules and mandate everything for the automakers. But make no mistake, Meredith, talking cars are coming and it could save thousands of lives. Yeah, I love the idea. Thank you so much. All right, thank you, Meredith. So you can see where that's going and I hope that your gears are turning. We're probably going to be presenting this at the DoD Cybercrime Conference. Maybe I might submit for Shmucon, I don't know. But I think at those conferences we'll be able to release the tool that we were talking about through the update file that will actually enable you to get the Bluetooth back and hopefully demo it. If there's enough room to bring one of the cars in, I might try to do that, too. So does anyone have any questions? Will you say that louder? Oh. He wanted to know if you could go get one of the pineapples and use it against cars. The answer is yes. And any other questions? The operating system is on top of the chip. So there's firmware that's the chip manufacturer that's going to be in there, but then there's also the Microsoft that does have the firmware on there. Yes. Not in the exact way, but yes, every car is affected. Every car that has these systems is affected. Hey, before you guys leave, wait, stop.  Who was that? It was you? Oh, come on up to the front then. My time? Three minutes? All right, any other questions? All right, thank you.