Think Tech Hawaii, civil engagement lives here. I'm Jay Fidel. This is Think Tech Globe, just with a very short introduction. I guess the salient point is that she is the executive director of the Hawaii and Asia Pacific and director of strategic partnerships for the Julie Ann Wrigley Global Institute of Sustainability at Arizona State University. It took me three breaths to get through that. Welcome to the show, Amanda. Thank you, Jay. It's great to be here. You know, you're much more than that. And I want to talk about it in conceptual terms. I began to, well, I actually got through your resume, your CV. It took me a while. I have to admit, but by the time I was recorded through, my head had exploded. I was no longer conscious, but it was quite a CV. I haven't seen one like this. You have been everywhere. You have done everything. And I guess the focus point is that you are into global relations. You've been the New Zealand ambassador to the United Nations. You've been in various schools, programs all over the world. I don't know how you live with yourself. Well, it all started here in Hawaii. I was so lucky to be a student at the East West Center on a graduate scholarship. I won't tell you how many years ago, which is where I met my husband. And there were 350 of us from over 55 different countries. It was the absolute best training for the Foreign Service, for my later jobs at the World Bank and the United Nations. Just an amazing experience. So it's wonderful to be back here in Hawaii. Yeah, yeah, that's great. You know, the East West Center started around the time the Vietnam War, what? 1960. Release 60s. 1960s, right. And Congress was supporting it in a more robust way perhaps than now. And a lot of people from Asia who hadn't been here and a lot of connections were made. It was an example of diplomacy. And that's the kind of East West Center that we need to perpetuate. That's a real jewel in Hawaii's crown, don't you think? Absolutely.  And in today's polarized world, we're perhaps not seeing enough of people coming together, really listening to each other and learning to find solutions. Yeah, speaking of which, I'm still sort of qualifying you as a guest. And I want to talk about your global relations training, your experience in diplomacy, so that I get a handle on the essence of what you have learned about humanity in service of those areas of study. Wow, big question. I guess having had the opportunity, as a very boring old economist, to work at the OECD in Paris and then at the World Bank in the Foreign Service, speak French with a bad French. You have a degree in French, yeah. I do. Ça va, ça roule? Oui, ça roule, très bien. I was the prime minister's special envoy to Francophone Africa, which was a fascinating role in conjunction with my role in the UN, as ambassador to the UN. I guess with having come at the world from a very rational economic perspective, I soon realized that you can't just give people the information and then expect them to come up with the answer that you expect them to come up with. There's a whole raft of other factors that play in. And in relationship, we actually end up with different solutions. And so for me, I think the biggest outcome of all that incredible, wonderful global experience has been what I call the diversity dividend.  And Einstein always said, you're never going to solve problems at the same level at which they were created. You need a different lens. And that's why I think my East West Center experience was really at the heart of what I'm able to do now at Arizona State University and with the amazing Julie Wrigley, who founded the Global Institute. And really that is looking at sustainability and the UN sustainable development goals and mapping those as solutions, but through interdisciplinary and systems approaches. And I think for me, that's the biggest takeaway of all my global learning and why I think I feel so blessed to be in this new role here in Hawaii, but connected with the Global Institute of Sustainability. So unpacking that just a little, the Wrigley Institute is a recent organization recently founded. Has it been around for a while? So it's been around for 14 years. And Julie Wrigley has a house on the Big Island. She is just an incredible leader and decided early on as a child in looking at the abalone and how it was changing on the beach where she grew up, that she was going to be a committed environmentalist. And so she founded the Institute with the proviso that every student at Arizona State University would graduate with a competency in sustainability. Now that's quite something given that there are 103,000 students. It's the largest university in the US. Really? It is. And it's number one in innovation with Stanford at number two and MIT at number three for three years in a row. So there's some very cool things going on. But Julie was really a visionary and with Michael Crowe, who's the president who had come from Columbia University. The two of them really decided that the way to create a multiplier impact for positive change in the world was by ensuring that university students who are the leaders of tomorrow really understood sustainability through their own disciplines, but in a multidisciplinary way. Absolutely, gee, that's right on the button, right on the money. I, sorry, I could talk about this forever, but I had a wonderful experience when I was speaking at the East-West Centre Global Graduate Student Conference a couple of years ago, and I had just met Julie at a philanthropic event on sustainability and been very impressed. And I, in my speech, I was talking about the Sustainable Development Goals and mentioned her institute. A student from ASU came up to me afterwards and said, I'm an engineering student, and I just wanted to reinforce what you said. I am going to be a very different engineer because of the Sustainability Change. That's a true thing. That's true. Absolutely true. Which is so great. Yeah. Everybody has to have some of that. And so it's so wonderful when you think about committed leadership that can lead to sustained change through tomorrow's leaders. Yeah. Well, okay. So clearly you can reach greater levels of sustainability and resilience if you teach every college kid the course. But what else can you do in a more immediate sense with government and with the public? I love this question, and I think Hawaii is a global role model. When I look at the fact that Hawaii is the first state in the nation to have said we commit to Paris Accords, again, the Climate Change Accords. And the first state in the nation to come out and say 100% renewable energy target. And for me, having been part of the negotiations at the United Nations when the Sustainable Development Goals were being crafted, it is so exciting to see Hawaii as a state and the state legislature, the governor, the four mayors all come out together and say, we're committing to these targets, but you know, we can't do it alone. And I'm very privileged to be a board member of Hawaii Green Growth, which is what we call a Sustainable Development Goal number 17, a multi-stakeholder coalition where there's government, private sector, and civil society all sitting around the table saying, how can we actually meet these commitments? So Hawaii has actually mapped to the 17 Sustainable Development Goals. They're collapsed into six main goals and there's an online dashboard where you and I as citizens can go on and see just how we're tracking. So it's really transparent. I have high praise for what's happening here in Hawaii. Let me ask you, if we are here at point A and point B is the realization of those goals, you know, reaching the target, reaching the goals, what do we need to do in terms of action between A and B? Fantastic question. So the idea is that by 2030, the Sustainable Development Goals will have been met. Some are more appropriate than others for a developed economy. So for example, poverty. There is relative poverty in Hawaii. It is a part of sustainability. You have to deal with that. Gender equality, goal number five. That's one of your specialties. And the empowerment of women, very dear to my heart. Some 90% of countries still have discriminatory laws preventing women from being economically active, for example. Would you think that would be the case in 2018? Nine out of 10 countries still with discriminatory laws. And that's part of the reason that the Secretary-General of the Inter-Parlamentary Union was here last week. We're working together to try to educate all of the legislators in his 178 members. So I think if we're going to meet those goals, we need the legislators to be going to the UN every year as they are and being held accountable. But we need citizens to be engaged and to know what's going on as they are in Hawaii. So it's not just about government setting targets. It's about all of us looking at the different goals, seeing how they're being measured and seeing how we can make a difference as well. I personally had a real aha moment here in Hawaii about a year ago. And I went to see the movie Chasing Ice at the Doris Duke Theater. And I'd seen Al Gore's movie on climate change. This was a sequel, no? Yeah. And I'd been very depressed because he told us to change our light bulbs. And I thought, oh my gosh, is that all I can do? And there was a panel afterwards made up of some of the amazing people who are very active here. And I think it was Josh Stambrough who runs the offer for climate change and resiliency, who said when I asked the question, but what can I do as an ordinary citizen to help meet these goals and help make a difference for climate change? And he said, have you got solar panels on your roof? And I said, well, I applied, but I was turned down. And he said, apply again, because now the rules have changed. And you'll be approved. And I was approved. And then he said, and then get an electric vehicle. I found out that it's just as cheap to have an EV as it is to have an ordinary car. And then you can have free parking at the airport and downtown. So you can feel good. And it's also not you don't have to go to the gas station. You're not emitting any noxious fumes. So it's a win-win. And then composting. So instead of throwing out compost and contributing to methane gas, you can go to Costco and buy one of those or loaves, buy one of those little containers, put your leaves, and you compost every day in there, your food scraps, turn it around, create compost for your garden. So I'm doing those three things. And now I've estimated that we're at carbon neutral. So thank you, Josh. If you're out there, it's wonderful to think that we can actually make concrete steps ourselves to create a difference. What about legislation? What about requiring? What about forming up incentives to require people to do that? Well, I think the fact that there are incentives now and HIKO provides incentives for the electric vehicle. Connie Lau, who's the CEO, was very generous in explaining to me how that all worked. But there are incentives. And I think now that there's 100% electric transport, the city is working towards that goal. So legislation helps set the goals, getting the incentives right, and then having everyday people like us educated so that we can bring about change too. I walked today instead of driving. Just little things that we can do to make a difference. Strikes me that all your experience in global policy and all the connectivity in the diplomatic community and your training and your books that you've written about empowering women and so forth, it all qualifies you to be exactly here, exactly now in Hawaii, in the history of the call it the sustainability movement. Nothing could be finer actually. I could not agree more Jay. And actually I'm hoping that they're going to put up that nice little backdrop of the Hukalea that I sent in today. Because Ninoa Thompson was very generous in allowing us to use that at ASU and for ASU to be learning from what's going on in Hawaii. I couldn't agree more. I feel I'm exactly in the right place at the right time. And I feel so privileged to be learning from the indigenous wisdom that the Hukalea and Ninoa, the Polynesian Voyaging Society represent. Tomorrow I'm going to an indigenous food systems day that the University of Hawaii is sponsoring. And of course one of the goals is that we should double local food production by 2030. Hawaii used to be self-sustaining when there were a million Hawaiians here. But one of the things that I think Hawaii has to teach the world is this incredible generosity of spirit that is embodied in aloha. That's part of sustainability. It is integral to sustainability. And in fact I have a brilliant artist friend called Maliana Maya who has done a beautiful mural with a number of other amazing artists like Kahi Ching and Solomon Enos. And the mural actually looks at sustainability and the link to peace. And of course Maya Satoro Ng and Maxine Burkett are starting the Institute for Climate and Peace which is global cutting edge here in Hawaii. But this mural of Malianas is one of those stopped dead in your tracks. You see it and you think, wow, this embodiment of taro, the local knowledge that is really reflected by Hawaiian iconography but has a global resonance.  And then you come back around and you realize that in fact we're all on a journey and that we can process the pain and suffering that we have in one of two ways. We can stay stuck in it or we can circumambulate and come back to the future by grounding ourselves in indigenous wisdom and recognizing that by being close to the earth and listening to what we can learn from, and I know his ability to sail over the horizon with no fixed point of reference or from being in the lowy patch and then taking that to the United Nations. I'm Ethan Allen, host on Think Tech Hawaii of Pacific Partnerships in Education. Every other Tuesday afternoon at 3 p.m., I hope you'll join us as we explore the value, the accomplishments and the challenges of education here in the Pacific Islands. We're teens to smoke, we'll lose years of these moments. It's your life. Don't miss a thing. Hi everyone, I'm Andrea Gabrieli. The host for Young Talent's Making Way here on Think Tech Hawaii. We talk every Tuesday at 11 a.m. about things that matter to tech, matter to science, to the people of Hawaii with some extraordinary guests, the students of our schools who are participating in science fair. So Young Talent's Making Way every Tuesday at 11 a.m. only on Think Tech Hawaii. Mahalo. We're talking about global affairs now, but we're talking about Hawaii's role in global affairs and through the East West Center and otherwise, Hawaii is doing things that are leadership things. Hawaii is known for doing things that are leadership things. And I guess my question, Amanda, is how can we realize our destiny as a global leader in high values? Thank you for asking this question. So first of all, I think that it's a matter of letting people know, and that's partnerships. So for example, one of the things we're looking forward to is the Inter-Parliamentary Union sending out to all its 178 members information on Hawaii's leadership in renewable energy targets and with the Paris Accords. But you brought him down. Thank you. And he was a fabulous guest and a fabulous and elegant gentleman. Well, it was wonderful because our officers were very close in Geneva. And when I was on my way to Davos in January, I saw him and was telling him about Hawaii's leadership and that it really was global good practice. And he said, okay, okay, you've convinced me, I need to make a visit. So he had been at the UN High-Level Political Forum where countries come in and report on the Sustainable Development Goals, actually with Celeste Connors, who's the CEO of Hawaii Green Growth. And then he flew all the way out here and spent three days with us and was very impressed by what was happening not only at the, he saw Kalani English at the Senate, he saw Blue Planet Foundation, the Elemental Accelerator, spoke at the East-West Center. We did a joint event with the Wrigley Institute. So he was really impressed. And so just making sure that people are aware and are able to tell that story and share the good practice so that others can emulate it. Being part two of other gatherings, for example, Hawaii will be present at Governor Brown's Global Climate Summit in September with a whole range of players in California. And they're part of the states and the mayor's associations that are also working on this issue. Hawaii is also a very active player in the Pacific Island Development Leaders Program where all of the Pacific Island states plus Hawaii and the Northern Pacific come together and as leaders share good practice, Hawaii is a member of the Global Glyspur, the Global Leadership Island Partnership. So there's a whole range of fora for Hawaii to really be able to tell the story even though it is a sub-national entity. What I get, and it's a song that I've been singing myself, is that if you want Hawaii to exercise influence and leadership on these critical things around sustainability, around high moral principle about humanity coming together and having a better planet, you have to get out there. You have to travel. You have to get on a plane. You have to participate in a conference. You have to go to places. You have to think beyond your own shoelaces. And invite people here, yes. And Hawaii can do that, but it must make the effort of traveling. It must make the effort of doing what you do, of moving around and singing the song elsewhere. And I think there's so many amazing people here who are doing that, as well as others who are coming in like Martin to see what is going on here in Hawaii. And bringing them here, yeah. Yeah, it's a matter of exchange. I think that's really, really important. And of course, like your wonderful show, Online. We have online platforms too. This reaches everywhere. What you're saying now is going everywhere. And this is part of the reason that Arizona State University and the Wrigley Institute are so keen on having a partnership and having many partnerships we already have a partnership with Kamehameha Schools and we're in the midst of an MOU with the whole UH system. We have one already with the Hilo campus, but really it's about learning and sharing and partnering. And one of the good things that I think ASU really has to offer is an amazing online platform. There's 400,000 online learners who are doing a range of different courses. And President Crow really believes that we all have to be lifelong learners. So part of this lifelong learning lives here. That's great. And I couldn't agree more, especially at my advanced age. It is really important that we keep on learning and we find different ways of addressing issues. I was privileged to meet Linda Furuto who is one of the first women navigators who has apprenticed under Ninoa. And she is a professor of ethnomathematics. And she says... What kind of mathematics? Ethnomathematics. Ethnomathematics. Yes. It's not about sitting in a classroom and doing your geometry. It's about getting out on the Hokulea and counting the seconds that something drops into the water and you can figure out the angle and then the speed at which you're traveling. And she said that is just so much more meaningful reviving the ancient practices and the incredibly advanced techniques that Hawaiians had way back in the 13th century in a meaningful way. And Arizona State University is very much committed only to research that has an impact. It's not research for research's sake or education for its own sake. It's education and research to make a tangible impact and difference in the world. So that's why there's this incredible alignment and why I'm so thrilled and privileged to be the first executive director here in Hawaii. Perfectly suited because of your experience and in bonding people up and connecting them from various places. What you've done in your CV is what Hawaii must do now. So- Well, I'm learning from Hawaii. Very much. We should all commit to do that because Hawaii is at a place where culturally it can teach us all. More perhaps than before. So question though, how does this all connect with your area of empowerment of women? Can you connect that up for me? Absolutely. Well, I said before that 90% of countries still have at least one discriminatory law on the books. It makes no economic sense. McKinsey did a very interesting research study a couple of years ago which showed that we could add $28 trillion, $28 trillion to the global economy. For productivity. Yes, were we to have a level playing field. So it's good for women. It's good for families. It's good for communities. It's good for society to have gender equality. Now the link to sustainability has been more recently drawn. There's a fabulous publication called Drawdown by Paul Hawkins and a team of scientists that have worked on this issue for the last 10 years. If you add together girls' education and women's reproductive rights, you come up with the number one solution for solving climate change. Telling how that works. Well, first of all, a better educated girl is more likely to know how to respond in a crisis, is more likely to have fewer children. So for every year of additional secondary school, you are likely to have an additional 0.7% of added to GDP and those girls who only have a primary education are likely to have eight children in a developing country. If they finish secondary school, it's two to three children. So the impact on the planet through education linked to family planning really makes a difference. I'm beginning to get the idea about all this. And maybe it's something I didn't understand before is when you talk about sustainability, you're talking about saving the planet, saving the species. Absolutely. You're talking about trying to have a better life for everyone and not have a worse life for everyone. And climate change is a big starter issue on all of that because that in our face is what it is. But let me look at the dark side for a minute. Suppose we do nothing about sustainability. I'm sure this motivates you and other people who are interested in sustainability resilience. If we do nothing, if we ignore it, we turn our backs on it. What happens? Well, again, as a boring old economist, looking at some of the data points, they're pretty scary. So if we stay on the trajectory we're on now, by 2050, there will be more plastic in the ocean than fish. That's pretty scary. We know that we are on an unsustainable trajectory in that 17 of the last 18 years have been the hottest on record and we're looking now at a hockey stick. So the data alone is telling us a very depressing story. But if we flip that around, in 2015, there were four watersheds agreements at the global level. All UN members, all 193 UN member countries came together and in March 2015, signed the Sendai Declaration on Disaster Risk Reduction and Resilience. In July, came to a recognition that we can't just rely on ODA. It's some 250 billion a year, it's peanuts. We need trillions of dollars if we're looking at infrastructure and wellbeing for a resilient planet. And that was what the Addis Ababa Declaration on Development Financing agreed. And then we had the Sustainable Development Goals, the 17 goals, which as you have so eloquently said, covered the whole watershed from reducing poverty to gender equality, to climate change, to renewable energy, to life under the oceans. So those goals are a very comprehensive blueprint for the planet. And it's the first time we have ever had a globally agreed blueprint for a development agenda between now and 2030. And then Paris was signed in December. So those- So we have- We have a general agreement. And general agreement. So now we just need to get on and do it. And your point about how do we make people aware is a really critical one. And that's one of the reasons why I'm so excited that ASU requires every student to graduate with a sustainability competency. But they also map every single faculty member to the Sustainable Development Goals. So I would challenge every university to do the same. And in fact, the Wrigley Institute has now worked with 350 other schools of sustainability. They were the number one, first globally, but they've now helped 350 others to bring about that vision. And we're working with a school here called the School for Examining Essential Questions of Sustainability, which is a charter school that looks at how you integrate sustainability into the curricula here in Hawaii. And so again, we're looking at that, learning from that, and saying how can you really work now from K through 12 and ensure that it's not only university students, but it's kids. And Blue Planet Foundation has done a great job with kids and getting them to do art competitions around sustainability. I've seen your work in that room. It's beautiful. And kids are so warm to that idea. We can learn a lot from kids. But how do we integrate that into our curriculum so that we have a real global awareness from a young age? Because really, that legacy that you and I are creating now is going to be either a positive or a negative legacy for future generations. This is a very important time. One last question before we run out of time, Amanda. And that is, you know, we have, you're into diplomacy, into foreign policy. You spent your career mainly doing that. And we have stress situations. Stressors are not good for sustainability. We have stress situations in the EU and NATO. We have stress situations in Asia. And certainly, South America has been in a stress for a long time. And I wonder, from a global point of view, from a global relations point of view, and I know you study and write about this, you know, what do we do to get back into harmony? What do we do to get back to a place where there's less risk of war, there's less risk of controversy and dissension, there's more risk of people taking the high road and trying to put these things together for the benefit of humankind, to get from where we are now, which is maybe not a great place in terms of global relations, to a better place. How do we do that? Three levels. At the macro level, we have these global agreements. They need to be implemented. We have mechanisms which are working still, not wonderfully, but are still working. And I'm a great believer that we need to talk to each other. The United Nations brings together 193 countries. It provides an opportunity, which I didn't realize the full extent of until I was privileged to be ambassador. And suddenly recognizing that it's really important to sit down and have a conversation with someone who is opposed to your views in every respect. And I remember going to a function at the Iranian ambassadors and setting out to shake hands and then of course realizing that in his culture, can't do, can't do, women are unclean. And feeling very offended and not wanting to engage. And then realizing that in fact, I was becoming part of the problem, not part of the solution by having that response. So at the macro level, we have institutions, we have a global agreement for the first time, we need to continue to work to make that a reality. Global agreements. Mezzo level. Corporates are really stepping up. So we have groups like the B team. We have the Fortune group, which brings together CEOs who are committed to sustainability and creating a peaceful planet. So I think it's really important for corporates to live their values and to be held account at the micro level by you and I who can choose our purchasing power, who we vote for and actually how we make a difference in our own lives and in our own communities, even if it's a really small gesture, actually beginning to bring our values into alignment and thinking about seven generations out. What legacy do I want to leave for my grandchildren's grandchildren? We all have a role. Every level has a role, but the overriding principle is to save the planet. Absolutely. And the work that educational institutions are doing to bring people together and especially at a young age, I was just at the Student Global Leadership Institute in Punahou and they've brought together China, Japan, Korea, New Zealand, Denmark, Sweden, the UK, and there are these kids who all have scholarships to come in cohorts to connect with each other and figure out how they can begin to create solutions to tomorrow's problems as well. They are the key. They are the key. And they will, I mean, I really feel confident that they will understand this and they will carry it forward, but you've got to do your work to help them. Thank you, Amanda Ellis. It's great to talk to you. You have to come back and discuss these things more with us. We have to drill down on this and that when you can tell us how you really feel. Thank you so much, Jay. Great to be on the show. A tu tala. A tu tala.


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you know not looking super duper healthy no he doesn't you know it's like he doesn't have eyebrows but then here is him with his super healthy yes now he looks healthy you did it man wow that effect is crazy how did you do it let me try that on you all right guys welcome back to the channel if you knew my name is Bobby guys Jaden Smith is no longer vegan ah what do I say he was never really a vegan right of course Mike the vegan the real vegan jumped on the case before I got the chance to do a response to the initial Smith story so today we're gonna check out what Mike has to say and how he will defend veganism let's do it it's Mike here and today we're gonna do a quick video on Jaden Smith whose parents Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith recently had a bit of an intervention with him when he was on his vegan diet because vegan diet he was never really vegan he apparently wasn't looking so hot according to them he wasn't getting enough protein and had grayish skin which is a new one that's what I haven't heard before in all my years is that's a new one you never heard that before hmm let me think so needless to say Mike the vegan has been critiqued for his gray skin tone right here in this video you can see that he did a lot of touching up there's a lot of filters there's a lot of saturation you can see that especially in the beard area and around the eyes he went out of his way to make himself look more vibrant as so many vegans do but the reality of things is in real life he is in an absolutely horrific health state vegan who deals with this crap all the time but based on what he says it appears that he may have never even been fully vegan but the same points in this video do apply to why he may have failed to transition and I normally don't like to talk about celebrities but in this case it is just such normally you don't sure didn't you just do a video on Joe Rogan sample of the press misconstruing an issue as being veganism's fault as well as never veganism example of somebody having a poorly planned vegan diet so there are a lot of lessons to learn here so my goal here a poorly planned vegan diet if you have to plan your diet there is something very very wrong with you of course we could start blaming our environment convenience food no matter where you look however if your instincts would be intact you would know what food is you would come to the conclusion that animal foods are nutritionally dense nutritionally adequate perfectly digestible then nobody could fool you nobody could trick you unfortunately nowadays we live in a society that has absolutely disconnected from their natural state for the lack of better words and therefore we are sugar addicted we are processed junk food addicts and we do not know what to eat now the vegan messiahs will come and will tell us how to do a vegan diet correctly which is of course ridiculous no animal has to plan their diet to be successful there's not to judge Jaden but hopefully illuminate of course you're not judging and back when I first went vegan I had a bit of a similar situation with my mom but the results ended up differently and I'll talk about that at the end so the media has gone absolutely insane with this we have USA today CNN CBS everybody's other just the big outlets largely blaming veganism for this problem let's just get right into it yeah but what else will you blame Mike enlighten here's their family discussion on their show red table talk well and I had a bit of an intervention with Jaden because he's a vegan now but we realized he wasn't getting enough protein so he was wasting away just look drain yeah protein deficiency is still a thing in 2019 and here comes the gray part okay vegan humor yeah protein deficiency is still a thing but wouldn't you agree that this man looks protein deficient he's 22 years old he looks like 16 I would say 16 and sick right wouldn't you agree that there's something wrong with him wouldn't you agree that he has a protein deficiency you can see that he's clearly anemic you can see that his muscles atrophied that is a protein deficiency pleaded he wasn't getting the new circles under his eyes it was even a little grayness yeah to skin and we got really nervous yeah but you're definitely looking better now yep he was actually undead now we're gonna have to hear that veganism turns you great but why do you make snarky comments about this why do you want to turn this into a joke the guy was clearly suffering right so there's a problem the guy was clearly sick why can't you just stop for a minute and acknowledge what they have to say this is classical cult mentality you cannot step back and look at the situation objectively if I would hear about anybody suffering on a carnival diet I would ask first what went wrong I would ask about what happened and if somebody would tell me that they just cannot get their blood sugar right with zero carbs I would recommend eating some plants but you guys in the vegan camp in the vegan religion you cannot do that hey for the next few years sadly I do want to mention there's so much conflicting information about the timeline here and whether or not Jaden was analyzed if you listen to what he was saying he says wait a minute I've actually been vegetarian for a vegan for like a week I want to say that I'm got him now it's crystal clear about a postage I'm vegetarian get out of here never really vegan for a week or so but I'm for the past year I've been vegetarian but everything guys say is right right so is it that he you know was playing with the idea of going vegan here and there but was never actually really vegan for a meaningful amount of time never actually vegan so the poor dude looks like a cancer patient here but he was never really vegan the vegan cultists don't understand how ridiculous they sound even the media picks up on that craziness because they cannot stand behind this ludicrous movement any normal person that would hear about health issues on a vegetarian diet would tell you hmm you already have issues on a vegetarian diet do not exclude any more foods do not go vegan by excluding more foods you will run into more risk of deficiencies but in the vegan religion it is the opposite it is the other way around hey veganism didn't fail you it was vegetarianism because every other diet is shit and will lead to disease only the vegan diet will save you vegan logic really vegan for a meaningful amount of time it was just a vegetarianism in which case this is completely null and void but exactly the whole conversation is null and void Mike dude you start as an omnivore then you start excluding the meat then you start excluding the fish then you are vegetarian luck to over and then you play around maybe the dairy has to go maybe the eggs have to go and then from there once you exclude that as well you become a vegan right now you can push it further of course you exclude the cooked foods you become a raw vegan then you become a fruitarian then you go on a juice fast water fast dry fast breatharian enlightenment right anyways all of those practices are fasting practices all of those practices are simply fast of a different degree nothing more and nothing less so now if you've been at step vegetarian and that already didn't work why would excluding more foods out of a sudden magically make you healthier you have to be completely brain dead to believe this worth mentioning that this whole discussion was sparked actually because of Will Smith's dietary health issues for example he had broken 225 pounds he had an issue where he was getting lightheaded when he bent down and stood back up he had some shaky hands occasionally so now to officially gain weight what do you have to do everybody that is into sport nutrition will understand that you need to overeat on carbohydrates now Mike will you tell me that will Smith is a carnivore or even better a raw carnivore of course not he is an omnivore like anybody else and if he was battling weight gain then I'm just gonna make the assumption that he was on a sad diet he also went periods where he didn't poop for three days and had like bad constipation and bad gas as well as high cholesterol bad gas constipation all comes from plant foods are all in being medicated for it and we're gonna just put stuff on the table how many times do y'all poop in the course of the day oh my god oh my gosh I can go three days with you have to put down you might you might want to take a look at that I'm constipated a lot my pee looks like beer sometimes it was funny how I didn't see a ton of headlines about his dietary issues probably because he isn't on a vegan diet and if he was it would be like vegan diet gives severe gas to will Smith and he can't even stand up anymore will how is that an argumentation we already know that the standard American diet is absolutely horrible so yes you have headlines about that subject as well we already acknowledged and of course it's not a buzzword nowadays the sad diet the omnivore diet because we talked about it numerous times everybody understands that the standard American diet is destructive what you have to take into consideration is that 70 to 80% of your daily calories on a standard American diet are plans wow big shocker yes it's processed plants processed corn processed soy processed wheat even if you choose to eat meat on a breakfast bun for example it's still surrounded by wheat you are by default already eating a plant-based diet a vegan diet is nothing new you just further exclude the animal foods you are already eating a plant-based diet in America Smith loses legs on a vegan diet and his skin turns blue but let's get back to the protein comment first of all such a lame joke that he had a protein deficiency was this just a gas an assumption I highly doubt they actually looked at his blood protein levels and that they were low it is worth mentioning to zoom out at vegans in general because they actually have higher levels of free blood protein likely because of low yes likely because of whatever the hell no likely because of the absorption issue with that protein that protein is circulating in your blood because your body cannot absorb that mediocre plant crap it is that simple what don't you understand or levels of protein sucking inflammation it's hard to tell just from the brevity of the conversation but I really yeah then just look into the C reactive protein of carnivores you will see super low levels almost no inflammation whatsoever nobody talks about that we are just comparing the plant-based diet to a standard American diet wow great comparison Mike I hope that Jada just knows that you can get enough protein to vegan diet I mean looking at somebody like it's kind of questionable how vegan he actually was there's some some evidence that perhaps he was using whey protein but let's examine his results at the Olympics because this is very very telling and so in 2008 eight years younger 20 pounds lighter he totaled more as a lighter weight guy as an omnivore meat eater than he did as a vegan in the 2000 Olympic 2016 Olympics and so largely you could argue that his Olympic performance as a vegan was a abysmal failure relative what he had done previously in fact he got his elbow was injured not long after Olympics and we haven't heard a word from him since other than this vegan propaganda film so it's unclear if he'll be able to compete in the 2020 Olympics he's definitely getting enough protein no it's not a vegan diet specifically that drained this dude and there's a pretty clear answer here and I was actually mind blown by some of these statements as Jaden mentions here I was just eating like two meals a day yeah you know and maybe one maybe just that one big meal I'm like oh you know I didn't get around to it holy crap first of all that's a vegan problem that's just your self problem this is okay that is a starving yourself problem so how come that people that are eating a carnivorous diet or even an omnivorous diet can go on to one meal a day are not starving at all the health markers improve so many people can do it on a carnivorous or on an omnivorous diet but if you do it vegan then you're starving hmm that is strange that is not a red flag at all right man you are already starving it is already a fast once you take even more calories out of the equation of course you will suffer is what the number one vegan failure reason is that said over and over again and not enough calories you did it wrong one meal a day maybe you're eating some snacks that's like a thousand calories a day two meals a day is probably putting you in around 1500 calories these are i'm not even exaggerating this is the amount of calories that people ate in concentration camps it wow that's such a new example i never heard that before vegans are always parroting the same stuff is that what veganism is uh let's let's look at the definition of veganism it says right here eat 1000 to 1500 calories a day oh and no animal products either oh wait that's not the definition of veganism it's simply to not eat or use animal products to do the least amount of harm practically possible but you're not doing the least amount of harm practically possible at all if you would really want to achieve that you would understand that carnivore is the way to go eating ruminant animals such as cows you as a grown man would eat maybe one to two let it be three cows tops per year that is three deaths super clean less packaging as well especially if you go to a farm no import export business whatsoever right you're not burning fossil fuels on the top of our heads whilst importing those foods either right much more environmentally friendly you as a vegan you contribute to habitat destruction you create monocultures monocrops with which you destroy whole ecosystems you are killing millions of animals starting with insects going over rodents killing birds killing lizards killing deers and in certain countries like australia kangaroos wallabies so on and so forth in the creation of your beyond burgers you killed billions of animals you are not protecting anybody here a big problem is oh wake up and my stomach's hurting i don't want to eat breakfast my stomach hurts to be fair he said that in general he has to be fair so no to be fair you would understand what is going on and you would actually be interested in that human being but you're not you're just interested in pushing your agenda and generating clicks that's all this young man was suffering from your shit vegan diet it's not even a diet it's a fast that vegan fasting period destroyed his gut lining vegans will tell you yeah but most people that get into veganism they already have underlying issues yeah of course they have underlying issues because they've been eating those shit plant foods those plant foods will give you digestive upset by default what can you eat beans grains vegetables when you hear that intuitively you know that sounds like diarrhea bloating and pain of course it does those foods are really hard to digest excessive amounts of fiber meanwhile animal foods are super easily digestible they digest the best everybody that tried a carnival diet knows that nothing digest as perfect as meat it is a complete protein source it gets absorbed almost no residue whatsoever so therefore those plants already damaged the kid now he's going to go onto a vegan diet and even further enhance the suffering but he did it wrong right he did it wrong it is because of the underlying gut issues if you would eat meat you wouldn't have underlying gut issues stomach pains that prevent him from wanting to eat and to that i will say one thing that does help yes this is what you hear all the time this is why vegans go onto those prolonged fast on top of their fast intermittent fasting one meal a day they try because they hate their food they cannot see those plants any longer because they trigger their gut lining they lead to digestive upset of course they don't want to eat any longer man if all you have to look forward to is rice and beans and vegetables and fruits of course you're not hungry i don't want to eat that stuff either thank you very much i've seen help is maybe starting off the day with the smoothie or eating something more liquid like soup ah but why why would you start your day that way because you already intuitively understand that those plant foods do not digest well if they would digest well why do you have to blend them up and garb them down wouldn't you eat them in their raw state wouldn't beans be absolutely delicious just looking at them you're so delusional it's unbelievable because the emptying time for your stomach with liquid food is way faster than solid food so that could just mean less pain so you can eat more calories by the way it's not like eating food was the only thing that hurt him is like the vegan label made his stomach hurt no it was food that did that in general vegan or not he could yes exactly it was food but that food that hurt his gut was vegan even if he was eating vegetarian even if he was eating omnivore the food was still plant based because only plants trigger gut lighting how do you recover from sebo how do you recover from ibs by eating meat hmm but it's not veganism would have just as easily added more calorie dense plant foods like avocados and nut butters yeah great more oils i've also noticed a lot of these more omega six oils perfect you guys don't understand anything about nutrition how can you recommend plant oils that will lead to inflammation how is that a good recommendation hey you have gut pain eat inflammatory omega six oils fantastic job titles are like after dramatic weight loss jaden smith has family intervention it's like how much weight did he actually lose it never really says and he was skinny before during and after i mean maybe he lost like 10 pounds it's unclear but there's no like whoa he lost a ton of weight does he look like somebody that can allow himself to lose more than 10 pounds and again mike you absolute hypocrite you are not caring about those humans you do not care about his problems you just care about your agenda you feel good you feel strong debunking him behind your computer screen oh jaden did it wrong jaden did it wrong why don't you care about him and try to figure out how you can actually help this person as for his gray skin tone this is pure speculation but i would have to guess that he was becoming anemic and again that's a good guess actually that's a good guess for a change he was becoming anemic it is not causing anemia in general of course not you don't have heme iron it is super poorly absorbed but it's not the vegan diet what is it mike tell us please from this recent study that looked at blood levels the vegans did not have statistically significantly fantastic yet again another study so here you can see it in that study 53 vegans got examined right and in that study those 53 vegans that identified as vegans didn't had problems right the vegans are the first guys that will tell you anecdotal evidence doesn't count but you will list the piss-poor study with 53 people that identified as vegan i know people that identify as vegan but are not vegan at all they are still eating fish they're still eating eggs occasionally they're plant-based then you have people that have been vegan for a month or two and they will identify as vegan and then you do the study on them 53 people and those guys had good blood levels of iron congratulations meanwhile i have thousands of people reaching out to me and showing me their blood results low in iron after the reintroduction of animal foods they see improvement in their iron levels right especially after consuming red meat blood so on and so forth so let's dismiss them all let's not trust those thousands and thousands of people because they're all just anecdotal but i'm gonna trust those 53 random people here just because a scientist has put his stamp of approval on this document fantastic mic different rates of iron deficiency than the omnivores they were the same but people who eat anorexia levels of calories clearly have higher risk of anemia that's what it is less iron much of these pictures smearing his you found out again not enough calories did it wrong quote vegan diet we're from this Louis Vuitton event look at this guy okay and this guy does not look sick this is not concerning to you you cannot understand that parents got concerned for their child after seeing this right aside from the pink hair and the pink chain you do not get concerned when you see this person pathetic images by an anti-vegan channel used to criticize his appearance on a vegan diet funny stuff i think this is obviously a lie did you see that obviously a lie of course right that's the only thing that vegans got they will call everybody a liar right he wasn't a vegan diet he wasn't a plant-based diet okay he wasn't 100 plant-based that is good because otherwise he would be even more sick but you don't take that into consideration you will blame the anti-vegans as liars they are liars don't listen to them vegan diet funny stuff i think this is obviously decided to do something that makes everybody look less healthy which is lighten their eyebrows obviously he was doing some some fashion stuff but the reality is that when your eyebrows look lighter you look less healthy i mean here's here's an example of a photo that's why you look less healthy here is him with his lighter eyebrows and lighter hair color yeah you know not looking super duper healthy no he doesn't he doesn't have eyebrows but then here is him with his done super healthy ah yes now he looks healthy you did it man wow that effect is crazy how did you do it let me try that on you all right let's try your hypothesis so here he is right in his regular state a little pasty looking if you ask me a little bit of gray skin as well but hey what do i know let's try his hypothesis let's see how he would look like with darker eyebrows and even a darker beard boom so much healthier there he is case closed oh man it's a pretty stark difference you know we associate pretty stark difference yeah absolutely on that note please die your beard as well man come on vegan or not who rocks a ginger beard with black dyed hair that doesn't make any sense as chemotherapy of course we're not gonna associate it with healthfulness but the reality is there's not a lack of hair there it's just lightened i mean my eyebrows get bleached in the sun i put sunscreen all around them but then they end up getting bleached then i get more comments about having hypothyroidism and crap like that last point here is my similar story that i had when i first went vegan my mom was like oh my god your bones look like they're about to snap because you're on your vegan diet and i was like actually she was right i weigh the exact same amount as i did before i went vegan so clearly there's because of more water retention and bloating a little bit of a preconceived notion here you know people have been primed probably because of all the articles like those that were written about this to think that vegans are less healthy frail and dying but at least for me i went on what written articles there is a young man who is suffering i know that you vegans cannot comprehend anything that is going on in real life you need a paper just like you did with those 53 people it does not matter if thousands of people come personally to you and ask you for help you will obey right you're a good slave that will listen to the authorities but if we say something then it's an appeal to authority fairly easy to gain 15 pounds as a vegan so i'm happy that i stuck with it i'm stronger than i've ever been but the story is perfect you just got fat you have absolutely no muscle tone we saw that in your gym video absolutely no muscle tone absolutely effeminate the classical skinny fat vegan look absolutely no gains whatsoever if you gain something you gain fat you can see if notions don't go vegan never go vegan you're actually gonna get a protein efficiency your skin will go gray yes like yours and the most again mic what are you talking about man if i look at your video it is highly touched up any idiot can see that you have the situation on max and you still look pale if you reduce the situation you get a much clearer look of how mic looks like in real life and of course already showed that on the john venus interview video you look gray but of course you are in total denial and you cannot hear that you cannot accept it they have someone come in at the end of their their you know round table family discussion to give them health advice and do some tests and it's actually dr hyman who is known for promoting a low diet and from this meta analysis low carb diets increase mortality risk by 30 correlation is not causation look deeper into this study and you will see that those people still ate significant amounts of carbohydrates don't even look into it right just listen to mic mic the vegan the study data came from questionnaire so we all know how flawed that is that is not observational data just questionnaires where people had to fill out how many cups of bacon they ate in the last month those studies are not reliable if you look into the study design you will see that most people still ate around about 150 grams of carbohydrates that is not a low carb diet on top of that those people are omnivorous as we established in the beginning nobody said that the standard american diet even if lesser carbohydrates are consumed is a good diet model we already established that mic but in order to prove your point you vegans will list the same studies over and over again cherry picked just put in the background put it behind me on the other hand will smith mentioned his father who passed away recently who had all the diseases he said such as heart disease and of course and that father was eating a raw carnival diet right he wasn't eating the standard american diet with a lot of plants of course not sitting with daddy in his last couple of weeks and he had everything diabetes and the heart disease sounds like the standard american diet he had a 78 lower total risk of all diabetes which is insane yes let's listen to the adventist right let's prove that veganism is actually a religious cult guys the adventists have an invested interest they own sanitarium the serial company they do have an interest in selling you their gunk of course they will try to prove that a vegan diet is healthy however again that study is highly flawed because it was a questionnaire based study where people had to answer in cups in weird measurements in timeframes that nobody could account for absolutely ridiculous and on that note the vegans didn't even do best and we have clinical trials showing the reversal clinical trials yes absolutely why are they not replicable how come that only colt will essleston did it and nobody else could replicate it right if it's such an amazing remedy to reverse heart disease nobody else picked up on this nobody else right if we would know for a fact that veganism reverses heart disease wouldn't you think that most people would apply it for just a couple of weeks especially in clinics especially in hospitals they do not because it is not replicable so yet a vegan diet so and in the end if you are going vegan please eat more than one meal please eat more than two meals a day eat three meals a day and eat 20 meals a day please eat more fiber please go to the toilet 20 times please check out one maybe two days yes chronometer of course tracker just to see oh dear vegans only because you see it on a computer screen and it shows you nutrients doesn't mean that you will absorb it it is an absorption issue how can you not understand it let me give you a simple example if you would type on chronometer the mineral density of a rock mm-hmm it is there there are minerals in rocks try eating them eyes are eating where calories come from where nutrients come from where do they come from learning experience and in the end definitely don't it is awesome learning experience because if you start looking into it you will understand that those plant foods are actually not absorbable and not even meant for human consumption because we cannot ferment them we are not herbivores and then you realize that eating meat is actually the truth because we've been doing that forever if you look into tribes how they've been eating you see what a natural diet for the human species is how it looks like and hey spoiler it does not include synthetic supplements shocker i know and as you know he's 21 he's still learning how to feed yeah the compassion the compassionate vegan now you're gonna say go easy on him right after bashing him for 10 minutes straight now you're gonna play the compassionate vegan card how disingenuous you are giving food away to the homeless people he's still periodically eats vegans for he eats vegan eats vegan for a weeks at a time what it's a cannibal anyway so i hope he figures out how to eat more calories maybe even follow a vegan bodybuilder and get jacked on a vegan oh yeah get jacked on a vegan diet just as jacked as you got Mike right look at those gains awesome all right that's it for today for let me know yeah thank you very much all right enough of this i can't look at this pretentious face any longer absolutely disingenuous absolutely no interest in helping people out the vegans have no interest in people that is not a surprise and they do not have any interest in the vegan movement either hmm how can that be they only have interest in their own brand name mike the vegan that is all they care about they care about their own ass nothing more and nothing less they do not want anybody else to fill their spot on vegan youtube they do not care about human health you see that this guy was clearly suffering jaden smith was absolutely deteriorating but that is not interesting that does not concern us as vegans we simply want to spread the vegan message right so benevolent you do not care about this guy's suffering at all jaden smith if you're watching eat meat and reclaim your health all right guys but this is it long enough video if you liked it leave a thumbs up if you haven't subscribed already please do so if you want to support the channel all the links are in the description box below enough for today as always much love and peace


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President Bola Tinobu has warned ministers and presidential aides that anyone who underperforms will be sacked. The president gave the warning while declaring open the 2023 cabinet retreat for ministers, presidential aides, permanent secretaries and top government functionaries with a focus on delivering on the renewed hope agenda. President Tinobu, who charged cabinet members to be intellectually inquisitive, announced the setup of a result and delivery unit to be headed by his special advisor on policy coordination, Hadizah Bala Usman. He reiterated that healthcare and education are key to eradicating poverty, saying Nigeria as a great country is one family and his administration is determined to renew the hope of the hopeless.  You must be intellectually inquisitive to ask how, why, when and why you must be immediate. You have responsibility to serve the people. I've taken a young lady, very dynamic, Hadizah Bala Usman to edge that delivery unit. Let us be determined that corruption will go. Progress will be achieved. Better wages for our workers. Living wages. We will transform the economy to work for millions of our citizens. We must take 50 million people out of poverty. Delivering the opening remarks, secretary to the government of the Federation, George Akume, charged them to speak the truth, be loyal to the president, be accountable and have had to best practices to achieve the renewed hope agenda of national unity and economic growth. The high point of this retreat will feature the signing of the ministerial performance bound by ministers, ministers of state and permanent secretaries. The bonds contain the ministerial deliverables alongside their key performance indicators, KPIs. Each of the KPIs contain the baseline data and targets for the next four years. The project of performance will be assessed quarterly beginning from the end of the first quarter of 2024. These regard ministers and permanent secretaries are enjoying to prioritize implementation of these deliverables through appropriate budgeting implementation to ensure the achievement of Mr. President priorities. British High Commissioner to Nigeria, Richard Montgomery, who said he admires the leadership and international engagement of President Thinibu expressed the United Kingdom's readiness to continue to support the government in the spirit of mutual respect to move Nigeria forward. Also World Bank country director Shobam Choudhury said President Thinibu can count on the global institution to support the government's program to lift Nigerians out of poverty and provide renewed hope. Nigeria faces big security, economic and social challenges. In a global context, the big challenges, a difficult global economy, shifting geopolitical and foreign policy pressures. I applaud the big and old economic reforms that you are taking forward. I admire your leadership of ECOWAS, your strong voice on democracy and your G20 international engagement, all of which have thrust Nigeria back onto the international stage. So we're here to support your programs. We take your guidance from you. But even though we have the word bank in our names, I hope you will think of us as more than a bank. I mean, our real hope is that you will trust us and that we will be able to earn your trust, that we have something more to offer in the nature of solutions to help you think through and then implement the priorities, the focus areas that you've laid out by bringing in ideas and experience.


From theCUBE Studios in Palo Alto in Boston, bringing you data-driven insights from theCUBE and ETR. This is Breaking Analysis with Dave Vellante. Over the last several months, George Gilbert and I have collaborated on a number of data oriented research projects. We started by looking at Databricks and some of the potential disruption scenarios for Databricks and then carry that through to Snowflake as a preview to this year's 2023 Snowflake Summit. And then follow that up with a vision of the future of data apps with Uber as an example of how we see this world unfolding. We talked about the focus of applications changing from being process-centric to data-centric, meaning that the business logic will be embedded into the data. Versus today, if you think about it, the data is embedded and buried into application silos. So we see applications built on top of this data as the future, where data, as John Furrier often has said, becomes the new development kit. So here at Snowflake Summit, we heard a strong message of all data and all workloads. So that's the very high level focus. At the lower level, when you talk to the technical people, you have a really strong technical foundation. Now in the middle, you had a fire hose of announcements, which were sometimes hard to connect. So that's what we're going to try to do today. Hello and welcome to this week Wikibon Cube Insights, powered by ETR. In this breaking analysis, we are going to do just that. We're going to try to connect the dots between the high level messaging and the underlying technical architecture to explain what we think is the differentiation that Snowflake brings. We'll also bring in ETR data and talk about how Snowflake compares to some of the other leading data platforms. We think there are maybe five in the world that are vying for the new modern data stack. Okay, let's bring up the first slide and talk to that a little bit. We've shown you this before, we've made some changes to it. It talks to the traditional strengths of Snowflake, coming at the problem from a database perspective. Snowflake are database guys. They came out of Oracle and Databricks coming at it on the right hand side of this chart from a data science and machine learning angle. Now they're both trying to expand their opportunities into each other's domain. So in thinking about Snowflake and what we've been talking about and learned at this summit, this message of all data, all workloads in many, many ways to query the data and many data types, what we're calling in this slide, pluggable storage. So you got a very strong technical and brand promise of governance that underlies that top level messaging and the technical architecture and the challenges that that brings. So Snowflake has to make sure that it is secure and governed and can share data. So the difference is this is a completely integrated experience. So let's hear this in the words of Frank Slutman when he came on the cube this week. Please play the clip. The narrative for Snowflake as a data cloud is it's a multi-layer kick, right? We obviously have infrastructure, elastic consumed by the drink. We have live data in extraordinary amounts. We have the complete workload enablement layer, the programmability platform, which is Snowpark, the marketplace, and then the transaction model, transactional model, people can monetize data and applications. So the strategy really is we enable data engineers, big time, that's sort of our, I call them our homies. Those are the people that we're super close to historically because we're a database company from way back. But we now have completely embraced the functional layer that lives above the data layer. You have data engineers and software engineers. And we now said, look, software engineers and data engineers, we address both these audiences. It is a big vision, but we think in the cloud, you have to have this, you know, in a non-premise environment, it's very, very different. You know, you can really stratify these things. But in the cloud, it's like, wait a second, you know, all of a sudden it's like, who manages security and governance here? Well, it's not you, it's them. So in other words, unless we step into that void and say, no, no, no, we own it. If you're on Snowflake, you know, you're safe, you're compliant, all these things. That's a really important thing because if we're not doing it, who's going to do it? Right? So there's a lot of discomfort around, you know, where the software engineers live, where the data engineers live, how they interact. And that's really, we want to really assert, you know, that space, if you will. All right, so there's a lot to unpack there from Frank Slutman's comments. He talked about data engineers, he's going to laugh, being their homies. I remember when he was in service now, he used to talk about the IT people being their homies. Well, these are the data crowd or his homies now. Somebody at the keynote, I can't remember who it was, said, you know what, in many respects, we're all data engineers today. So Snowflake is really trying to democratize the complexity or simplify the complexity of that data engineering. But also the last thing that Frank Slutman talked about was the governance and that's really the big promise and the hard part of what Snowflake does. Everything's integrated. And so this is a really important point and one of the differentiators that I don't sometimes don't think comes through when you're getting the fire hose of product announcements. So I want to sort of work with you to explain that and connect those dots a little bit. So let's start with sort of the two big vectors here is the many ways to query the data and many different data types. So let's unpack that a little bit. Now, Snowflake started with SQL. That's the main spring and you can see on this chart, you know, a lot of different options in terms of query options and storage formats. When you talk to Benoit Dajaville, one of the co-founders, and Frank Slutman will bristle when people talk about Snowflake being a data warehouse. Snowflake isn't a SQL data warehouse. It's where it started, but it's really a data flow engine that can have multiple personalities to talk to it. This is something that George Gilbert and I talk about all the time. And George sort of articulated this on theCUBE. We did a great session on Tuesday that I would encourage you to listen to. We'll put that link in the show notes. Anyway, those multiple personalities, those can in turn talk to multiple data types. Okay, what we show here is pluggable storage. And that in a nutshell is their huge value add because no one else really has that. Okay, so again to review, they started with SQL, then they added data frames. The data frame is a way that Python programmers talk to their data to find out what's in there to explore it, to clean it. It's more forgiving than SQL. And data frame can generate SQL, but it's a different interface. So Python programmers, which now there may be more Python programmers than SQL programmers, they can now access the same backend data capabilities. Then search, they brought in search with the Neva acquisition. So you can talk in natural language and underneath it can generate a SQL query. So Neva people thought, well, it's a consumer search app. What's the point of this? Well, in fact, they're out of that business now. And this is what we think that Snowflake's going to do. They're going to translate that natural language into a SQL query. So we can generate a query to talk to documents and then pull that query result together and integrate it. That's the key. Then there's another way of talking to the data, which is traditionalized supervised machine learning libraries. And then just this week, Snowflake with NVIDIA announced where NVIDIA's generative AI and some packaged machine learning models are going to be encapsulated inside of the Snowpark container elements. So it's not just NLP, but it recommenders out of the box to build really advanced models. So the interesting question here is when you think about Databricks wheelhouse, it built a tool chain in language for supervised machine learning, which cleans data and does feature engineering and trains models and serves them up and so forth. So can Snowflake leapfrog this approach using NVIDIA and unsupervised learning with generative AI that trains itself? And if so, does that make it too reliant on NVIDIA? That's a topic for another day, but I want to take some time now and explain this idea of many different data types. Snowflake talks in terms of unstructured data and structured data and semi-structured data. Come back to this chart. We call it pluggable storage. So even with structured data, when you're doing analytics, you store data in column format. When you're working with transaction data, you work in rows. Now last year, Snowflake announced Unistore to deal with transaction data, but the product's still not shipping. We talked to a number of customers this week who are dying to get their hands on it, but Frank Sluteman and Christian Kleineman sort of had the posture of look, it'll ship when it's ready, it's getting close, but to ensure our promise of data sharing and governance and security, it just takes time. It's really hard. Okay, so you have OLAP and you have transactions. Then Snowflake's added streaming data and they can land that in a table and join across different table types with dynamic tables that can be updated from a stream and reference data. Then they've added vector data. We saw Pinecone this week. So they could bring in documents, they can shred them and turn them into machine-readable format. They've also added graph data. We saw that with relational AI this week. Also in theCUBE, we talked about Blue Yonder who's re-architecting its platform on Snowflake along with relational AI to address the complexity of supply chains. So the result of all this is Snowflake takes all this mess and integrates it into one relational table, but it's pulling it from different table types. So that is the magic of Snowflake. Now, you may be asking yourself, well, wait a minute. Amazon's got a lot of different ways to query. Amazon supports a lot of different data types. So what's different here? So George Gilbert on theCUBE explained it and I think let's listen to his words. Please play the clip. So you teed this up perfectly because if I wanted to take a before and after image, the before image would be like Amazon Web Services when Werner Vogels got up 18 months ago at Reinvent and he puts up the slide of all 200 Amazon services and he's like, you guys are telling us this is complicated but it's your fault.  Now to be specific, Benoit started out by saying, look, from day one we built this data flow engine. It wasn't a SQL data warehouse. It was a data flow engine that could have multiple personalities to talk to it and that it in turn could talk to multiple data types and that in a nutshell is their huge value add because no one else really has that. All right, before we bring in the ETR data, I want to talk about this. First of all, what George was talking about with Werner Vogels, years ago, John Furrier and I on theCUBE asked Andy Jassy, you know, why the Lego blocks? Why the piece parts? And what he said was by having all these primitives, we can move as the market moves. Now, of course, the problem with that is it creates complexity. Okay, so that's the sort of trade-off. Nonetheless, coming back to Snowflake and what George was talking about, there is a little bit of a knit here in the following. Snowflake, very Amazon-like, it wants you to put all the data into Snowflake. It wants you to do all the data cleansing and all that pipeline work inside of Snowflake, inside the data cloud. Now, the advantage of doing that is everything's integrated, everything's consistent, it's all governed, it's secure, you can share data safely, et cetera. But in speaking to some customers, it's either real or a perception, but a lot of customers said, well, we don't want to do all that data cleansing inside of Snowflake, it's too expensive. So we might want to use our Spark tool chain and we might be doing something with an ETL vendor like Informatica, and we'll do that outside because it's cheaper, maybe do it, just use it on top of S3. Now, in trying to understand this, the sort of two-edged sword there, one is if you're doing that outside of Snowflake, there's a lot of other heavy lifting that you have to do. So again, very Amazon-like, Snowflake wants to take away that undifferentiated heavy lifting. The other sort of interesting fact here is, and we'll come back to this later, is that Snowflake, the reason why people think it's more expensive, we think, is because Snowflake bundles in the AWS fees. So you're not only paying for Snowflake, you're paying for AWS compute and storage. Databricks does it differently. Databricks doesn't bundle that in and charge for that, so people might have the perception that it's cheaper to do that. Now, it also may be, we haven't really done the full analysis, but the full analysis should accommodate, for example, the cost of Databricks, the cost of AWS, the staff time that it takes to do all that and put it together. And as I say, we haven't built the model yet, but it's worth looking at. I think generally the consensus here, anecdotally, has been if it's Greenfield, it's going to be more efficient to do it inside of Snowflake, but if you've got other processes built up around, whether it's, again, your Spark Toolchain or other ETL or ELT processes, it might be more advantageous to do it outside. Okay, so we'll come back to look at that whole TCO. Let's dig a little bit more into the ETR data and see what it shows here. So this slide really shows net score in the vertical axis. Net score is a measure of spending momentum. And in the horizontal axis, it's a measure of presence in the data set and overlap in the data set, but it's really the end, if you will, in the data set. And we're plotting several companies that we think are vying for the future of the new new data stack. So Microsoft, Azure in the upper right, AWS, they're leaders in cloud, obviously, and also machine learning. Google Cloud Platform, you can see right on that red dotted line. That red dotted line, by the way, is an indicator of a highly elevated spending momentum, net score. And then you see we plotted Snowflake, you see Databricks and you see Snowpark, which is, ETR has just added, and then Streamlit as well, which is just below that 40% line. So step back for a moment. When we first started seeing in the mid-last decade, we saw this emergence of it, what we thought was a new data stack. It was AWS infrastructure in the cloud. It was Snowflake for the simplified data warehouse and it was Databricks for machine learning. And we thought that was going to form the new stack. Well, what happened was both these companies raised a bulk load of money and they saw a massive tan. So they went after it and now they've become much more competitive as we showed on that earlier chart. Let's come back to Microsoft on this chart. Their data platform in Azure was always very fragmented and this is the first time with Fabric, which they just recently announced at their conference, and Synapse as the core engine that they at least standardized the table format on. But they standardized on Delta tables and the reason they did that is because Databricks had something like huge percent, like 40% of all VMs running on Azure were Databricks, meaning all the data on Azure was belonging to Databricks. So Microsoft, they're trying to co-op that data back and say, use our analytic engines and we'll partner with Databricks. And between the two of us, we'll try to get everyone into Delta tables and then we'll compete on the basis of our analytic engines and the quality. So that's their play, but neither of them has this core engine, this wholly integrated engine with multiple query options and multiple data types that Snowflake has in terms of handling all these different workloads. So AWS, as we heard from George's discussion, you know, has a different approach. It's really a bespoke approach. Now Google's got a very strong play, coherent, there's a good reason to use it, but they're kind of sort of forcing everybody into their platform around BigQuery and which is, think about what Snowflake and AWS want. They want that too, but they're happy, for instance, on AWS' side, they're happy to sell Snowflake because it drives compute and storage. Whereas Google is more reluctant to do so because data is their main play. So they're trying to kind of push you into their data stack. They don't want to help Snowflake necessarily. At least that's our take and that's the appearance that we have. Now, focus on Databricks and Snowflake for a moment in their relative positions. Snowflake's net score has come down in the last several quarters and its spending momentum, its net score, continues to decelerate. It's still a well above the 40% mark, but it's now below that of Databricks for the first time. Now ETR has added Snowpark and Streamlit and these are add-on sales that Snowflake can drive. But what we're seeing in the data is a smaller percentage of customers that are adding new logos and a smaller percentage that are spending more. We're also seeing a higher percentage that are spending flat and a higher percentage that are spending less. So that translates to compress the net score and the spending momentum. So I want to make a comment on new logos. I had said, and this is because I think this was said at the last financial analyst day by Mike Scarpelli that Snowflake didn't incentivize a sales force on new logos. I asked Frank Slupin about that. He said, no, that's not true. We actually have created now a separate team, wholly separate teams, one that goes after new logos, one that minds the existing install base and focuses on consumption, which I had felt was their only way of doing incentives. So I missed that transition. So sometime between last year, a year ago and this year they made that transition. I'm not sure exactly when, but I think that's smart because they run the risk of competition, getting a foothold in those new logos and it's harder to unseat. Okay, so you have this battle going on between two companies, Snowflake and Databricks. So let's put this into context with this next graphic. We know the big topic in the battle right now, of course, is AI. So what we did, and this is the power of the ETR dataset, is we cut the ETR database by those customers who are leading AI ML accounts. So these are accounts of doing advanced ML and AI and we're filtering the same companies on those accounts to see what kind of net score and presence that they have in the data. So you see upper left, we're talking about ML AI accounts and then that end, you can see that end in that red triangle or rectangle drops to 492 before it was like 1500, over 1500. Now it drops to just under 500. And we plot the positions of those same firms and we're cutting the data for their product portfolios that are analytics, database and AI platforms. So that filters out Microsoft, Azure cloud, AWS, Lambda and AWS cloud, et cetera. So it's pure in those three taxonomy sectors. Now, Microsoft, as you can see plays a leading role here and leapfrogged everybody with its open AI deal. Amazon's got a really good AI story with SageMaker, very good actually. And we know Databricks is really strong in the ML AI space, but Snowflake has been making moves there. An example is Neva and the Nvidia announcements this week that they're sort of bundling in to the Snowpark container services. It's also fascinating to see Snowflake and Databricks right on top of each other on this chart. So on the one hand, you'd say, well, that's interesting. Snowflake's presence in ML AI accounts is strong, even though you'd think Databricks would be stronger. But first of all, there's a lot of more Snowflake accounts and the reality is a large overlap between Snowflake and Databricks accounts because of what we said before, historically they solved different problems, they were part of that new, new stack, but increasingly they're on a collision course. So there's an interesting flip side here that we want to explore. And again, this is something that's kind of preliminary but we'll introduce it. As I said before, Snowflake's revenue includes the AWS charges, okay? Databricks revenue doesn't. So what if you stripped out the value of that AWS revenue that actually Snowflake is charging for? Kind of Snowflake net revenue. We think those companies would be much more comparably sized. So it'll be interesting to see when, if and when, I'm sure it's more of a when, Databricks goes public, we'll be able to dig into that a little bit and we'll start probing a little bit more to try to understand, you know, how, what that net revenue would look like in the Databricks or sorry, the Snowflake concept, our context. And this is important because there's a misunderstanding what we were talking about earlier about maybe Snowflake's more expensive, so we have to do an apples to apples. So we're really trying to unpack that and understand it. Okay, so you see the two firms in this graphic, they're right on top of each other, but you know, one has to ask, what if you pulled that bundled revenue out? And that's what we're going to do. Would they be the same size as possible? We're going to look at that. Okay, let's end here with a quick summary, a little bit of what we've learned this week and we'll bring in after we talk to John Furrier and Rob Streche and George Gilbert, we'll bring in the context from the Databricks event out in San Francisco to get their take. So this slide we're talking about the expanding Snowflake universe, the big three announcements this year and there were more, but the big three, actually really big four, I remiss to leave out the big Monday night announcement was NVIDIA and Snowflake encapsulating within the Snow Park Container Services NVIDIA's entire stack. So that's huge, Jensen Wang said we're going to supercharge Snowflake and that was a really interesting discussion and we talked about it a lot this week in the queue. The other big three announcements that came after on Tuesday, Frank Slutman sort of teed it up, Iceberg Open Tables, the big news there really was they basically did away with any performance degradation or lack of benefit between doing Iceberg inside of Snowflake or actually leaving data in the Iceberg Tables. So the performance is now the same, first-class citizens. This is an example of Snowflake extending, stretching its fabric or its mesh to more data types and creating what they would like to see is the best possible experience. Second big announcement, native application framework. So let's think of that as the app store for enterprise. We've got 25 companies now participating in that application framework. We can see a lot more. We heard from Denise Pearson earlier today when she announced that next year is going to be in Moscone. They're going to integrate their developer conference in with Snowflake Summit. So it's probably going to double in size in talking about 10,000 to 20,000 people because they're really starting to cater to that developer persona. So we'll be watching that closely. The big, big announcement in addition to the NVIDIA announcement was Snowflake Snowpark Container Services. This really changes the game in terms of how you can bring data and apps and build apps inside of Snowflake. Dramatically simplifies it. The example we gave a lot of times this week was Blue Yonder bringing in the former manugistics capability, containerizing that and making that a first-class citizen as well as startups actually simplifying the development experience inside of Snowflake. There were tons of other announcements like kind of boring but important stuff like AutoSync with Git repos and logging and tracing APIs and a new open source command line interface which people were really excited about. So these are sort of nitty gritty kinds of developer things that just make their lives easier. So anyway, the bottom line is the future of data apps is evolving. We've kind of laid this out now in a series of posts and George and I will continue to do so. He was critical in helping me before he left for the Databricks event. Critical in putting this breaking analysis together so I want to thank him for that. I want to thank the entire CUBE team. Guys, really appreciate you doing it here. The breaking analysis, getting that done in an amazing fashion. We're going to toss this over to Alex Meyerson and Ken Schiffman for final packaging. Kristen Martin and Cheryl Knight, they helped to get the word out on siliconangle.com and in our newsletters and in social media. Remember I publish each week on wikibond.com and siliconangle.com. All these episodes are available as podcasts. All you can do is search breaking analysis podcast. 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