It's all good. It's all good. It's like a concert right when you're waiting to start a band to jump on All right, I think we're good. I think we are alive now live on the metal voice today The 20th of December hold on all the time. Oh, there we go. I got an ad running here in the background Oh, man. What a day today. We got razor razor all around of course Dave Carlo Guitars main man of razor and yeah a friend of the metal voice the one and only YouTube's big personality razor fist Indeed now what kind of braids more of a personality disorder really at this point. I don't know Godspeed one and all and thank you for having me on I'm really looking forward to talking with Dave and hearing what's been going on in the razor Camp because we got some good things and we've had some struggles Yes, I just want to just plug a mr. Razor fist there, you know, if you don't know him, you know, he does gaming He does music reviews. He does bands retrospectives Political commentary and all with a nice twist.  All right Let's start things off. Yes, let's just start things off right off the bat, you know stage for cancer your wife Dave and the reason we're on today, you know, you know Christmas There's a lot people to talk about Christmas and giving and you know getting the message out But this is the real Christmas. This is caring about others, especially in the metal community We're here for each other. I know razor fist is here because This guy will always come Come when you when the time is needed is always there for us. So Dave tell us your story about your wife and your struggle right now Okay, well first and just to note everybody will also talk about the new album by razor later on Okay, but well, let's let's let's start with that for one second And let's just tell people that you know, first of all, I I am in the business of entertaining people and that's what I want to go to my grave being known for so this is a Temporary situation we're addressing It's a huge importance to me and my family obviously But you know my intention with my YouTube channel and my social media and with razors to entertain people And that's what it will be long term. I'm not I don't want people, you know always associating me with tragedy That's that's the now I've had a lot of sucker punches. All right And when I say I don't just mean me and talking about me and my family, right? My son is autistic My daughter has borderline personality disorder if you read what that is that's a pretty horrific thing to have She's had three suicide attempts the last five years I talk about that on on the go find me page that we have the fundraiser for my wife I talk about it in my YouTube video. My channel is brand new. I haven't done much to promote it yet So this hopefully is an opportunity to do that right now if you take Dave Karlo YouTube Into Google you get some guy who has four subscribers, okay? And he's not me and I think you guys can figure that out Dave Karlo razor YouTube, and I think you'll find you'll find me there Okay, I'm I'm you know, I'm not I'm not four subscribers. I've only had about 500 I just got it started and we're gonna build it up, but bottom line is we'll be lenient. Don't worry It's okay. We get it. We all know what it's like the first 500, right? Oh my god It took it took me like three years to get the 200. Are you kidding me? Jesus? You're long way from that now which is congratulations on your success my friend Thank you, but but I'm glad you're jumping in Yeah, so, you know the deal is is that I want to be known as a person who entertains. That's my intention But I said again, we've talked about it on my YouTube channel talk about it in my social media You know, we've had a lot of sucker punches. I started losing my eyesight in my early 30s It's it's I have no central vision anymore So we have that issue, you know that this cost me a lot of my life, too And then on top of that I had cancer in 2012 which I beat and you know So the whole time we were going through all this shit and with my son the autism of my daughter and her issues I always thought well As long as Rose is okay Rose is my wife as long as Rose is okay We we can get past any of this stuff so lo and behold my wife gets cancer two months into this pandemic and It's been a very tough situation for for all of us Because first of all it's hit us economically and the reason it has I mean I've always prided myself on being able to I've done I've done quite well in my life to be honest with you But after two years without any gigs and then on top of that you add the fact that my wife hasn't been able to work because of the cancer and the pandemic was a bit of a sucker punch But the the cancer made it just impossible. So like, you know no income at all and then you add the fact that the the situation is that I need extreme help to help Rose now because There's been a a comedy of errors by the the medical people up here, they really hung us out to try they They treated Rose for a year with various chemo's and everything and then when the The last chemo wasn't working and I'm trying to summarize this quickly We need one more detail about my YouTube channel, but what happened is is they She went almost well five months without any Treatment because they were referring her to clinical trials that we kept trying to get into and then at the last minute They kept pulling the rug out from under us and telling us they were either full or she wasn't eligible so they fucked us around from August until now Rose only had her first treatment in since August just last week She started a new extremely aggressive really aggressive just about the type of chemo that almost kills you but doesn't back it off a bit and She's being directed also with the help of the Mayo Clinic now in Minnesota and that was something that I Reached out to them in October because I saw that what was happening up here was not good enough for Rose There was just a lot of flippant who gives a shit type of attitudes coming from the The doctors up here that were supposed to be helping her and You know there are some really good doctors up here, too So I don't want to paint everybody with the same brush But bottom line is is that the people that were in charge Primarily with her care were more interested in their frequent studies than they were in helping Rose and that Unfortunately didn't become crystal clear to us until it was pretty much too late Meanwhile, she moved from stage two to stage four in cancer And I think you guys if you know anything about cancer, you know stage four is the final stage it's the most severe and it's going to require like a Tremendous effort to try and get her to reverse to reverse what's been done It is doable though and talking to the people at the Mayo Clinic We've got a good regimen now that we're following and it's gonna be tough though She's gonna be feeling like shit for a good long time and it's gonna be tough But and then we have the economic issue and that's what we did the fundraiser and you know the people who have supported it at this point are fucking arrows to me and I appreciate it greatly and Believe me. I will find a way to give back to everybody in some way for your for your help I really appreciate it. It means a ton to my family It's also going to actually not that this is the only reason but it's gonna help me be able to fulfill my Performing commitments in the coming year because sometimes I may need some nursing help for Rose and You know That's a financial, you know there's a cost involved in that and I'm gonna need some help with that Having that help will allow me to leave if necessary to perform some shows I don't want to be away from her for any prolonged length of time But by all means I need to make sure she's looked after at all times And I still want to play the shows that we booked for this year. That's important to me And this will help me fulfill those commitments. So so razor fist. Do you have any questions? Let's take this apart this this whole yeah I mean, I I'm just like blown away at how badly mismanaged that sounds But it's at the same time I can completely understand going to the Mayo Clinic.  So Um, when did you launch this fundraiser? Uh, and and where exactly can everybody find it? You know what I'm gonna do I'm gonna take the link and I'm gonna put it right in the chat for now and then I'll put in the description But go ahead Dave. I had seen I had actually seen you give a like a brief kind of summary in one of the First couple of videos that you had done uh on youtube, but yeah So so I kind of was surprised at this a little bit and of course, uh You know jumped on the the fundraiser there, but I want to make sure everybody else has access to it because um You know Dave before you answer that I want people to understand So Canada we have we have a public health care And it's not a failure on that and just so everybody understands and people could bash it all they want But we have really good public health care What happened was Dave and his wife and this is Dave told me Dave and his wife signed up For let's say the first sessions or the right. It was a trial. Is that what it was? Yeah, there was there was three and then when they waited they go You're gonna have to wait five six weeks to get the first trial and then when they waited those five six weeks They told them it's booked Yeah, you got to wait for the next trial. Yeah So then they waited for the next trial, right? It's booked It's about it's not about the system the system can work But it's about it's about people in the system who are honestly being morons. Okay, because um, you shouldn't be allowing as a doctor You shouldn't be allowing A patient who needs cancer treatment to go four and a half five months without active treatment when they're already in stage two That's the problem right there. That's that's what i'm getting at That's the problem.  I'm sure they go. Oh, that's wrong Dave's totally wrong Well, I'm going to tell you firsthand When I was trying to plead with these people to put some urgency behind this that somebody's life was at stake I got answers that were just indifferent. Basically, they would just say I know Okay, do you do you don't you understand what's happening here, right? My son and my daughter are going to lose her mother and this the issues they have and my mother and she You know, I just try to get give them a little bit of a human elements of the understand that this is a This isn't just one person's life I know everybody's life is worth something but let's be honest if you're a 95 year old Grandmother and you're in a whole retirement home The impact of your death is not going to be the impact of the death of a person who's got the responsibilities and the things My wife is doing. So I try to explain to them. This is a massive loss if we can't find a way to to save her um and by the way, it's just this Indifference the waiting basically caused stage two To stage four waiting time Now now this is where the americans come in.  And you well and you here It's a little more open, I guess But it's I all I'm saying is like I'm commiserating I suppose is just it's good to have that option there You know in case you want to kind of hit the gas pedal, but it costs And and uh, and I completely understand that and that definitely brings us to where we are now. I suppose I'm grateful. I am grateful that the system the american system is there and that it's available to us Okay, and let's be honest. Let's let's not uh throw darts at any system. All right, everybody's got their own systems Um, but as far as I'm concerned I need to get this help and the one thing the american system definitely offers That is better than the korean system is the sense of urgency and the How quick things can be done and that's just the way it is and you know, that that depends anybody. I'm sorry, but that's what Well, I'm sort of like a I would say that it's great to have a public system It's great to have a private system in any society right for the people who can't afford it and the people who want that fast You know speedy, you know recovery or a speedy surgery or whatever the case is Yeah, well sometimes it has to be fast, right? I mean it has to be fast lives depend on it or or anything else Another thing I might have to do is is going to the the states for surgery I'm on one of my hands too because I have um, I have a lot of gigs coming up And I don't have a lot of time to be um, you know, like the timing of it is Gotta be it's got to be just right timed rights when I don't uh lose a lot of time Now hence to razor fist's question the fundraiser. This is why the money is needed Yes, get around that fast track get it done Well, and the fact that the reason it's needed is because we don't have the money to do it on our own I wish I did I wish I did but you know one time I did but it's it's going down like after two years of having to Live off of your savings and then on top of that. Um, I've had some big medical bills already to pay for You know, uh, because uh, even in Canada, there were some things that the Canadian government wasn't paying for that I had to pay for um genetic analysis of the tumor so we could figure out the The DNA profile of the tumor so to speak to figure out the best way to fight it. Did they declare you blind yet, Dave? No, no, no, do you know this story razor fist? Do you know this story? Yeah?  Right, I look I look I look directly at something I can't see it But if I use my peripheral I can see it and after how many years it's been 25 years of this I've become pretty good at using the corners of my eyes to do things But it's still, you know, they're like I say looking at you right now.  I look right at the guitar when I'm playing I can't actually see my hand by left hand on the fretboard. I have to use my peripheral to do it But I have some cool things I do too, right? Like I've got the On my guitars here you can see it or not here, but I've got I have glow in the dark tape on my guitars and I hit it with ultraviolet light and Before I go on stage and it's actually these this tape is amazing It holds that it closed for a couple of hours. So that helps me in low light conditions on stage Unbelievable unbelievable. You know what?  The government doesn't help you in any way form, right with the blindness No, I'm not on the yeah, because you're not considered blind enough, right? No, I'm not. I'm blind. I'm blind. That's crazy Now the man who's only means To make money is music which he has he's got to put like stickers on his guitar to pull it off which is amazing Can't get the money because he can't tour. He can't sell records, right? The environment that we're in, right? He's got to take care of his wife He can't work the normal job because of his partial blindness. So he's reaching out to the metal community Right Dave And he doesn't like this and I dave told me on the phone jimmy. This is the last thing I ever wanted to do It broke his heart and raise your fist it broke his heart to have to go out And ask for money. That's the last thing dave wanted to do and breaks my heart Who wants to be known for that? It's embarrassing, right? And uh, like I say, um Something we're gonna do for people. Um, I've talked to some of the people who are helping me with this and uh, you know I want to at least people who did a certain amount of money. I gotta send them something I gotta send them something as a thank you. So that's that's being worked on right now And if you donated, you know from the very beginning anybody who sent me a certain dollar or not We're gonna figure it out.  So, um, but we're going to do that. Yeah Okay, it sucks, but I I am you know, like I said, you know what raise fist if I'm just sort of over talking Feel free to interject anytime you want, you know, I don't know. I'm totally fine with it I'm in I'm a chronic and habitual interrupter Anyways, so do not do not feel bad about it at all. Okay. All right.  It's just my thing I'm under post as hell anyway, so it's okay. I can I can use a break I've taken a breath All right On and okay, so there's a go fund me page. I'm putting in the chat I see there's a few donations by Kenny there Kenny if you if you give a donation right now We'll read your name and maybe we'll just you know say something nice about you just uh, or dave I'm very grateful to people who are helping us.    I've had enough sucker punches and I'm hoping I keep saying that every time I get a new one I say, oh, I hope this is the last one But you know life just isn't I mean for everybody and I know that it's not just about us But for everybody life is a kick in the nuts after it one after the other for for a lot of people But uh, um, you know, we're getting I think too many kicks in the nuts right now And they're with steel toe and fucking shoes too In Canada, we got a lot of those So those people who don't want to use GoFundMe, there's also PayPal and what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna put your email address in the chat So I donated By PayPal on behalf of razor fist in the metal voice So we sent you a donation And I'm gonna encourage others if you don't use GoFundMe There's Dave's personal email specifically for PayPal Just send him an email and he'll send you a link For PayPal That's not my PayPal email address though. So no, no, no, no. Yes. Yes Action there reach out to me first Email me and then I'll give you that information I don't I didn't I so that's not my PayPal address So like don't just do a transaction for PayPal to that address because that's not gonna that's there's nothing there There's nobody it's okay. Yeah quality candor said just donated.  You're a killer man godspeed We guys want to know exactly how killer they are I did a whole episode on them for refamiliarize yourself with their incredible work because this is a band that You know all throughout mid to To late 80s into the early 90s and you know well into the 90s has been a long time since the last record but still the body of work holds up and An incredible pillar not just of like the canadian metal scene But just of the thrash scene in general if you like If you always if you liked the idea of thrash But wanted that melodic kind of Judas Priest and a little bit of maybe motorhead Kind of thing going on that a lot of those bands lack unfortunately Razor is incredible in that respect And you should you should definitely support them that way as well Thank you so much appreciate and by the way rebel rocker. She donated 20 bucks. I'll send that 20 it came to me But I'll send it to you Dave. All right. Thanks jerry. All right. I will thank you And to razor fist's point. All right, so Oh, yeah, just just a little bit of uh, and Dave, I'm not sure if you could see this These are all your albums that I've purchased. Yeah, they were reissued not long ago. What like 2016 or something. Yeah I've got a I've got a good relationship with the my my friends over at relapse records. They're awesome They've been they've been so supportive of the band and so good to me and so, you know, just awesome to work with And they will also be doing the new album I also have a record label called high roller records over in germany that that does a lot of my vinyl stuff And they're they're just great allies and friends of mine too. Those are my two biggest partners And I also have another partner. I should mention is rock stack in in japan in Osaka japan They're also a really important partner for us But but really on this new album relapse is in the driver's seat on getting this one out They've got the they've got the rights to to do the the full worldwide Release in all formats and I know they're going to do every format.  I have to say they do It's kind of a muffled sort of uh, I don't know how to describe it But it's there's a charm to it. Believe it or not, there is It's this hey man, it's the nostalgia for people too and it's again They want to they want to go through what we went through ready to go. Okay. Let's we're going back to 1983 We're going to get the new album. We're gonna put it on to put it on a tape here. It sounds like, you know Um, you know, I'm thinking that we're going to stop short with eight track tapes though I don't think we're going to have part back. It never really took off Damn it. I was planning to release my next album on wax cylinder Or you what about you master? Um, we got two we got two, uh, uh, I owned I actually owned two albums on eight track, which tells you how old I am I own a pc highway to hell on eight track and I owned, um Well, I got this one because I bought it for like a dollar into leap in deep purple come taste the band I got oh And you know, there's some good songs on it. Yo, it's a great album. Are you kidding me? Jesus? I love I love mark of mark 3 uh, deep purple, but that's awesome on eight track That is an album made for eight track. By the way, it's awfully funky. I'm just saying It's very much an eight track album Interestingly enough that record.  That's just unbelievable. It just feels like Who would want to listen to a song that way, you know, right? Eight track is funny because when you want to when you press the change The song it just goes halfway to the next song or the third song. There's no real Start at the beginning and start and at the end. It's just it's just all over the map, man My father had my father had one of those eight track cassette You know, it's sort of like it was an eight track. What's the right word? You put it into the eight track machine, but you then could put your cassette Inside of it so you could play your I know what that is. Yeah, like I know what you're talking about I had one of those for cd eight when they first cds first came out For it was a cassette that you put in bazaar. Yeah bazaar. You could play inside your eight track this mechanism, right? Ladies gentlemen, we are we I almost called you ladies and gentlemen gentlemen. I I think we are carbon dating ourselves Dave have to cut us in half and count the rings. I think Dave decibels I mean this album is is it even out? Like is it have the have the Reissued decibels is uh, yeah decibels is uh is only available Really, I think for the world that would be an online thing Um, there was a vinyl version of it in europe that we did a few years back Um, I haven't actively pushed trying to get that licensed. Um too much Um, Canada has it's it's Linus entertainment Canada does it and uh, yeah I haven't really made any any deals to release that one worldwide. Um at this point kind of uh The the the arrangement the recording arrangement. I had on that record is just uh, you know I have to get some legal stuff checked out before I would do that. That's all it's not that I it's not that I'd be breaking any any rights or anything. I own all the publishing and all the versions of the songs and everything but Um distribution agreement was a little foggy So I just have to make sure that if I before I do any licenses that I have my lawyer look at But for the record if anyone wants to listen to it, it's on Spotify. I believe I've seen it on there Oh, yeah, you can hear it's on Spotify. It's on amazon music. Um, I think you gotta have the premium to get it But uh, it's uh, it's also, uh, you know, it is or you can buy it on amazon amazon.com amazon.ca in Canada They have uh decibels can be bought as a cd. So yeah, it's a it's a little different approach to razor But there's some great stuff on it that I really really like I don't know if you like there's a demo on the internet. I don't know how somebody got a hold of this the uploader did and um, it was a demo for that album and what happened was The temp it was not like that album was written in 1992 not 1997 when it came up It was written as the follow-up to open hostility and temple wise it was it was a lot faster And there is a demo of it up on the internet where it's being played a lot faster. Um that That intention but five years later Yeah, you think you're breaking up slight internet issues Somebody in your house must be using You're good Dave had some internet issues there for a minute But uh, if you want to recap the last couple of seconds of what you were saying I'd like to I'd like to crack rogers in the coconut because I'd pay a fortune for my internet All the time.  Yes, yeah, okay You were saying there was a version that was leaked out of the internet, of course Some guy got it via telepathy or something because that's just how it works And and put it online and it's a lot faster because it was originally written in 92 right after open hostility, which is like Jesus christ, it's like a hummingbird on crystal meth that that's super. It's probably the fastest record You guys ever did open hostility. It is it averages about 230 beats a minute Yeah And the thing is also Great record great record. So decibels was I think in in the faster form much much stronger Much better and also we we tuned down extremely for decibels, which was more than we ever did We were really low and I think maybe for thrash I've learned that you know as I get older I started to realize what what I should have done should have been tuned up a little more It would have made a little crisper a little a little more dynamic sounding I think so that stuff plus and I don't I'm not taking a shot at bob I'll bob read it. I love bob, but um You know, he wrote all the lyrics on decibels because I wasn't at that time particularly interested Uh in in that I wasn't really thinking about it I didn't think anybody cared about thrash anymore when we did that record So I kind of did it a little tongue-in-cheek. So I let him write all the lyrics So it's missing some of that element of the way I write lyrics, which is more of the you know, uh, the revenge kind of uh, you know That charles bronson kind of mentality. Yes my lyrics, right? wasn't any of that on decibels, so Maybe I'm still great. I might dig it. It is. No, I actually I have to say I would I would actually compliment some of the lyrics They're pretty good. Actually. Yeah, jimmy. Yeah, bob's a good lyricist. Just uh, sometimes, you know, it would bother me But it was I told bob, he said bob for fuck's sakes. You've got a song called liar You got a song in there called the game. Is this a queen album? Like what the fuck? Can we come up with some original, uh song titles here, you know, just like that Okay, fine. And now I'm gonna go right bicycle race right, right We'll show you the new one I wrote here fat bottom girls Ironically would probably work as a thrash, so All right guys, so Frederick Gave 20 bucks jacob gave 20 bucks 25 bucks anonymous gave 40 bucks kenny gave 25 bucks like I mentioned That happened in the last 17 minutes and I'm hoping hey, we got my buddy Todd Latoury All the best two in your family if we can only get one dollar from each metal voice subscriber The financial goal will have been met and exceeded Todd buddy. Thank you for jumping on um And uh, and if the razor force can check in I'm sure we can push that over the line. I'm sure we can get that That would be so so helpful. So it would be just lovely.  It's good. She doesn't cry easy. She's tough lady. She's tough lady, but you know She would have to be with some of the stuff you guys have put up with in the last seven years I mean for crying I left Just being I couldn't deal with it. You know, it's funny. I'll tell you a quick story here Malicious intent. I actually I bought this Back good stuff great album great album and and I bought it twice by mistake. Do you ever do that? Are you you're talking to me? I bought I bought an xbox series x twice on accidents. That's that's an expensive mistake Well, okay, this was an expensive, you know, I bought it twice. I did go. Do I have this? Do I have this and I bought it?  I got it So yeah, all right elder chicken gave 20 bucks I would have happily sent you one jimmy, but of course that one there that malicious intent is controlled by those Those unit disc people and they're not They're not my favorites. So they're not my favorites there They are number one front and center the reason why my first three records are so hard to get worldwide They've made it so hard and uh, what about jeff waters jeff waters Didn't he have a hand in helping you or was that with exciter? I don't remember From an eye later No, jeff waters is a friend, but I don't think he's uh, help me with anything. No, I mean he joined me on stage once We played together, but that's about it. I don't think it was excited that he did the reissues. Yes Jimmy's canadian fans are blurring together now Yeah, I think jeff's in england now jeff's over in england. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, uh, michael green wood Donated a hundred bucks. So there you go in the last five minutes. I'm hoping because of this I'm not do you know him? No, he's my brother now. You just don't Auditory from queens right says all the best to in your family dave Thank you so much. I appreciate it. All right. I'm gonna convey all this to my wife, too Yes, please do this later, right jimmy It's gonna be up on your channel probably right buddy. This is uploaded right now as we're talking Yeah, yeah, it's archiving and you can rewatch it like you know, you watch the simpsons on reruns, you know, it's it's there It's there and I have to get you guys to teach me some of what you guys do Because I'm trying to find a way to um, you know, like I'm I'm a neo fight man I'm so I'm so inexperienced at this stuff with youtube and and uh social media in general I'm not good at and I just uh I don't know man because some pointers It's it's hard. How's that? I hear you and I'm a total boomer when it comes to this stuff Like it's not even it's not even funny. So I'm I'm way behind. I'm with you Well, I gotta tell you it's not easy dave And there's a lot of people who have youtube shows and youtube channels and after a year or two They realize i'm going nowhere where just too much work to keep it up It's tough. It's not easy. There's always gonna be those one or two youtube channels That just take off because it's the right place at the right time just like anything in life, you know, you open up a restaurant Two restaurants one guy is just getting all the business the other guy isn't it's identical food But it's just that's life, you know They'll always be those people who are so lucky to get the right thing at the right time at the right place and just That's why you gotta be in it for you your own fulfillment Is if that's if that's what you're digging then having people watching or not it's not really gonna matter You know, I look at it totally like that actually. I'm not that worried about How many people are on board? I'm more interested in I just want to have a way of connecting with the people that that like my music And are interested in the band and things like that. So And sometimes I'll I'll do some stuff that's not related to music too. I might offer an opinion on You know the odd thing here and there.  Um Elder chicken. I'm not sure if I mentioned this elder chicken gave you 20 bucks But he gave it to me. I'll give it to you.  It's a little I I think you mentioned violent restitution a little bit and stuff, uh, which is one of my favorites So talk to me like about how it kind of shaped up. Okay. Well the one the the album I think last video called beast right this album's a beast and what I mean by that is okay I will tell you this this album has my fingerprints all over it. Okay I am prepared to live or die by this record in terms of I am micromanaging the process So if you don't like this record, then you don't like what I'm I'm offering. Okay, and you can blame me for this one Because in the past I may have said, oh, you know, I didn't have any control on this one or I didn't do this one This one I'm controlling a hundred percent like I did with violent restitution So that's that's where there's a similarity And as far as the material goes, um, of course, I always write to please myself first because I figure that's got to be what you do Because if you don't do anything else, it's not going to be genuine So I please myself first and if somebody else says, well, it's not my cup of tea I'm like, well, that's not your cup of tea, but it was mine. So that you know, I'm happy I can listen to it in 10 years and I'm going to still be happy with what I did So this album is I will tell you right off the bat.    Uh, I'll give you the track listing. I haven't been told I can't do that So there's 12 songs Side one, okay, I'll have to remember and get an old man here side one the songs are called side one Like people some kids are saying like side one. What's that? Isn't there only one side? No, dude, the kids dude, you don't even understand We're we're so old now the kids have actually lapped us. They're back to the side one and Back to the vinyl We got vinyl like a set now so side one and side two are now relevant again Which I like because it allows me to lay out the record the way I want because you actually when you're structuring the song running order There's impact points, right?  Like they have to grab your attention So anyway, so we do have a side one and a side two and there's uh, there's uh, 12 songs on the album And uh, so side one, uh, the song titles are so first song is called flames of hatred The second song is called jabroni. It's a wrestling term. Yes Believe me. Yes What are my favorite words? This song will be a great theme song for a wrestler if you want to play something enter in the ring Next song is called off my meds. That's the third song. The fourth song is called a bitter pill That's the one I teased on one of my videos. The fifth song is called crossed You know what that's about obviously the sixth one is called First rate hate that's side one. Okay. The side two is the title track cyclic intent The next song is called set up The third song is called punch your face in the fourth song is called fist fighting the The fifth song is called darkness falls And the last song is called king.  So rabbit. Yes donated 50 bucks. So there you go, Dave rabbit Donates 50 dollars. So right now I owe you 56 80 bucks Okay, right 50 67 80 90 90 bucks. So there's a 220s I see elder chicken with a 20 rabble rocker with a 20 50 67. I owe you 90 bucks. Okay, so Hold me to that Dave. Hold me to that. Okay. I'm good for my word. I'm good for my word Like where the hell's my money? Yeah No, so all right describe the musical direction. Okay, you said it's fast. It's furious. I mean, maybe give us a little more than that Yeah, are there any ballads? Well, you know, what I will say is I'm not going to like I think I mean I was comparing it to ballad restitution because of the level of control I put on the record But realistically it's his own thing for for a whole bunch of reasons, right? Like we're we're older now And our playing is a little more sophisticated. I guess, um, you know But I made it a purpose It was it was important to me not to deviate From what I know people want from us. I like to give people what they want. I mean, I remember growing up Listening to ecdc, which was a band I was really into in the in the 70s when they first came out Every time a new ecdc album came out. It was fantastic to me Like this is I'm talking about the period between their their inception And the last great ecdc album for my money, which was fly on the wall 1985 But that period is just great albums. Like I mean greatly flawless There's not really a bad track to be found now after that I kind of feel like ecdc were so successful They may be mailed it in a bit and they just didn't have the same level of motivation To make a quality all the way through record because they were just getting to it's hard when you have that kind of success It's hard to get That worked up about it. So um, yeah, but that's their classic period And I just remember how when every album came out how happy I was that they delivered the goods So that's what I want to do. I want to do the same thing I want people to anticipate a great album and then I wanted to get one It's really important to me to a little punky speed metal thrash. I mean, there's a borderline threat It's it's definitely going to be uh, uh, um, it's high speed. It's high speed thrash metal There's there's guitar solos in you know, the songs would get the structured with guitar solos But the thing about me is, you know, they understand about razors and this is not a knock on any other band at all It's just the way we fit into the the sea. I'll make it a knock on every other band. Please do Well, you know razor writes razor writes songs Okay, when I see that it is what I mean is we use a structure that will go You know, like we'll have a verse a bridge and a chorus and then you know, it's structured like that Oh, I've noticed a lot of bands now do this thing. Um, and again, I'm not I'm not criticizing it It's not really my favorite thing, but that's so it is somebody else's or it wouldn't be happening They take you on a journey and it's like a journey. So it's like progressive. Exactly, right? They go like songs are like six seven minutes long and and there there was a roller coaster Are we talking about sinjutsu here? What are we talking about? It's double bass Over the top, but it's like it's like just so much variety in one song and it's like only fuck, right? And we're not really like that. We're like, okay, this is what you know, this is what we do So when people criticize my band, they say, oh, you know, I see razor, but I think they're too same You do that. Hey man, there's a million other bands. You can get what you're looking for from. Okay We don't have to be the same. We're we are a niche kind of band that delivers high speed pounding fast metal in your face all the time pretty relentless. That's our thing Other bands will take you on that journey if you need names of bands that do that, I'll give you some names You can go listen, you know, but um Criticizing my band for not for not being progressive enough is you know, like you're just not getting it Just tell those people to take a journey off.  That's a journey I think Dave, it's exactly you said it's it's people are expecting like metallica, you know, like metal ish That's not what you're listening to razor for, you know, you're listening for fast furious And in your face, you know music Which is not to not to undersell the melody. That's one of the great things about razor is that there's that Melodious aspect to the band that it's still there. There's a song under there for sure It is and I would say like we are like like there is some metallic of that that is kind of our style Which is like the stuff like metal militia or a songs like that are kind of up our alley, right? Like like when metallica's firing on all cylinders That groove is kind of what our groove is too, but it's it's more of that. It's not you're like, we're not It's not Lulu. That's what you're saying 32 flavors of nick wiser say gave you 10 bucks. So 32 flavors of nick wiser, I hope I'm pronouncing that right gave you 10 bucks. So now Dave, this is getting very expensive for me. I owe you 100 bucks 100 a brownie as we say in canada Because it's a brown. I didn't even know we said that. Well, I say that American money is getting orange. It's all green. It's all green. I don't know I can't understand the greenest of it all in american money. Well, it's way in razor fist way Have you ever seen canadian money? It's colorful. Okay a fifties red Is it a hundred? Isn't it plastic or something now?  I remember it I had an ex who is from calgary. She would complain about the money all the time Who's on it? It's really controversial now. I can't remember. Well, who's on it? You know, we don't even know who's on it, but the thing is we go with colors We had a five dollar bill and I think it was steven right that said it was gene wilder on it Five five is blue by the way five is blue. Yeah And we don't have one McDonald on it. That's what I'm saying Yeah Well, you know, I think they're made out of space age polymers now I don't know. No, no, it's really cool. Yeah, it's it's plastic ish And then we don't have dollar bills anymore. We have loonies and then we have we don't have two dollar bills We have two knees, right? So that's Well, it's like prep, right? That's a year of test. Europe has all that stuff too. You're it's uh, two euro coin I think it looks like like our tune. I mean, but the u.s. It's all green man. It's all green It's I don't get it. I know for we're all stuck in the 1800s. We're gonna break out We gotta break out scales at the general store. It's like Still using ounces I'll trade you my mule Hey, I'll tell you one thing. I'll take the American money any day over the canadian. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's for sure Yeah, it's like 30 difference Right, we were on par a few years back That was like a shock comes and goes it comes and goes but most of the time the americans got the stronger dollar But it comes and goes and that's why my advice. Don't forget. I studied economics My advice would be that if you are seeing parity on the dollar Then you should start buying as many american dollars if you can at that time because it's gonna be worth more You're gonna make some money there doing that Yeah, yeah Good economic sense there, dave. I think you get an omics. What did you plan to do with economics? I'm just wondering Uh, I got a batchers and I got a batchers of commerce too, by the way. Really? Yeah Yeah, you know what what I did with economics was well, you know for my wife's an accountant too by trade Right. She's an accountant. So um, just uh, you know, uh I was you know at one point I was thinking that might be a road. I have to go down You know that was some time ago now, but you know, like I say unfortunately the way it's been for us lately We can't we can't we can't do anything can't make any money doing anything right now. Unfortunately It's been it's been shitty, but uh, uh, that's Hey knowing about money is never a bad thing on this planet. You know what I would say that most musicians Should and I mean this in the nicest way most artists It's good to take a lot of business courses because it just Yeah, it just helps you. It's like running a little business in a sense, right? You want to know where the money is coming where it's going how you're gonna spend it how you're gonna market yourself It's all part of it. You know, it's being self-sufficient. You know, it's there's nothing You know, I learned that's what they should be doing in schools in high schools They spend a lot of time teaching you stuff that you never use in your life Like I mean, you know, you don't really need to know that much about certain Aspects of history and things like that. They should be teaching you about the stock market They should be teaching you how it works. They should be teaching you about the economic system and Stuff that you need to know how to you know, some kids like my kids are now, you know Like my son is 20 22 my daughter is 20 They they could use well, I taught them, but how do you use a bank account? How does a credit card work?  Like this is the stuff they could teach you in school that would be useful. How does a condom work?  Yes, I agree. I agree 20 interest. They're gonna be broke forever, right? All right, john Ezekiel He just gave you a hundred bucks Joseph Scarpino And if I butcher any names, I apologize Give you 50 bucks. So that's big. That's a very profitable show here. You know, you're getting some bucks there. I'm really happy Um The mostly as much as we can help. I mean, I'm shouting it out again on my social Yeah, I appreciate your support. I really appreciate your support razor. I call you razor because I don't know I don't read either mr. Fister razor mr Hey, mr. Fister whatever, you know But listen your support is really awesome, and I also noticed when I told you just before the pandemic started I had some I was getting really overwhelmed to so many people were coming at us with so many Uh offers like to do stuff. This is right before the pandemic Pandemic of course ruined a lot of momentum, but um, I put a tweet out saying hey, man, I'm just I'm overwhelmed I need I need I need somebody to manage the band and um, you know That's something we should talk about too brother because um, you know When you did that that piece you did on us, which I really was wonderfully Flattered by a retrospective on razor. Yeah, it's called metal metal mythos razor. If you guys haven't seen it Um, it's it's still one of our popular metal mythos episodes I know a lot of people got into it through that mental part to me that you did that because you you did you did Certainly introduce a lot of new people to the band too. Um, but the thing is You you went off on me on two points. One was um, uh, what you are want to do. I know this over No On the table here Poppy cock So anyway, the one was about the the refusal to get management And what I wanted to do was impress that because this one is something that I get asked about a lot more now And I want to point out to somebody I wanted management I wanted and I know that you you found a video somewhere of me saying that I didn't want management or an interview somewhere But I would I would draw your attention to the fact that that interview took place in 1991 When I already knew I was retiring the band was ending So I wasn't going to be looking for a manager there But the reason I answered the questions the way I answered in that way Was because I did not want to tell people we couldn't get a manager I I did not feel that that was good for the band's image to admit to people We can't get a fucking Because in Canada we couldn't okay now we should have relocated to the states We realized that when it was too late When I say too late, I mean the scene was changing and the flavor of the month wasn't fresh anymore Which is really sad because it shouldn't be about Trends it should be about whether that's solid music or not But that's all it was everybody was moving on Yeah, by the by the top by that point you needed to relocate to germany, you know Let's cure up that was still like supporting that kind of stuff So bottom line is and I decided to move on with my life at that point because I was like, okay This isn't going to work out But I was still I wanted to end razor a certain way because I wasn't happy with the response to custom killing And I said I'm going to leave a legacy of some powerful records behind before I shut this down But I knew I was moving on so I wasn't going to tell people I can't get a Canadian manager We tried for six years seven years to get a manager and they all said we were too fucking heavy And uh, they you know, meanwhile Slayer met Rick Rubin Metallica met the guys cliff Bernstein and cube rightly everybody else We're able to make connections And that leads me to the song American luck where people think I'm bashing America, but that song is about Canada That song that's a great song. Yeah, it actually is if you read the lyrics Is attacking the canadian situation and I know you found some footage of me Jesus we're correcting all kinds today. No, this is good. No, this is good because I planned actually he and I were planning to do before all this happened we were planning to do a uh Metal mythos aftershock, which is this Where I do where I interview people after the thing because They I know you're gonna find this a shock but like on the internet, uh, there's a lot of bullshit out there when you I don't know. This is kind of alarming. I'm slowly learning this but you know, so stuff has to be corrected whatever I did one recently with You know Regarding wasp did one with ripper Owens recently of Judas Priest, you know Just to kind of correct the record and get the actual artist perspective. So it's actually good that he's Because this is stuff we would have talked about anyway and probably will in the future Oh guys pause the brutalist Just gave you 20 bucks. So now Dave. I owe you 120 dollars. What was his name again? The brutalist. I like that list Do you know brutalist? That's like the pugilist. That's almost yeah close, but it's the brutalist Awesome. Well, thank you brutalist. I appreciate it 20 bucks there. Let me just check and see if anybody donated on the page yet What I'm oh Merrick Merrick Boswig Five bucks, you know Look, I'm trying my best here with apologies for the fanatics. Yes And I'm gonna again put the link for the go find me there And I will again put your email address But do not send any PayPal money to this email address Just use the email address to contact Dave Just contact him. Don't start sending money there Just to contact Hot typing action I do want to Dave we're going to talk about motorhead in a bit but finish what you were saying Hey, this is important I want to mention this too is that there was a lot of people who emailed me over the last couple of weeks Since we started the fundraiser And I want to know everybody's going to get an answer. So please be patient with me. There's been a lot going on I never forget when people contact me or do something to help me I never forget a great memory terrible icing and a great memory. I will you will hear from me So please just just I know I recognize what you guys are doing to help and you will hear back from me Now I just want to finish my America luck a thing because that's important to me What what happened was there was some footage that he put up which was amen He did a great job. He was covering like when he did something He also showed put some proof up there that he's you know, what why are we saying what he said? So in America like video, he found a video of me where I said The Canadian audiences were just a little bit smarter And I made this comment now I want to when I just said before I drew his attention to the fact that we did an interview in 1991 Where I knew I was calling it a day with raiser, but two was on this one I was talking to an audience of about 50 people in you know, somewhere in Canada I don't know where it was. Okay. I never knew about YouTube I never knew that I never knew that someday a guy with a quarter of a million subscribers Was going to take my 50 person somewhere in Canada video and go.  Who knows right you say stuff to get people having a good time and having you know, you just say something and you know, I But bottom line is honestly the song American luck was written about Canada And the reason I called it American luck was I was trying to get America to pay some attention to raiser And I thought because at that time we needed more attention Because it was when thrashed was turning head out and I thought okay Let's get America in a song title so I can get the American people to notice That's you know, because you know if somebody wrote a song called Canadian luck, the Canadians would be looking too, right? It doesn't work that way though. Okay. Wolf Wolf gave you five bucks. They just apologize. Yeah. Yeah. Wolf gave 4.99. So thank you. Wolf The gunslinger Gave five bucks. So thank you very much for that. All right. So now I owe you 130 bucks I'm not sure if that's Canadian or American at this point. I don't know. I just I have to put in the middle somewhere I have no idea and he says Rest in peace. Wolf says rest in peace lemmy and that's what I want to talk about right now It's an official.  So we're up to 150. Hold on. There's one more Oh, the gunslinger another five Those are a blue. Those are blue by the way the five dollar bills I'm not sure if that's Canadian or american but whatever razor is the equivalent Of bret hart beloved within the wrestling and metal circles Worldwide, but you never made that that the kind of money they deserve that the razor made the money Sorry guys, if I could make as much money as bret hart did for christ's sake So there's there's some money coming at you. So now I owe you I think I don't know what I owe you anymore. It's about 150 bucks now. That's about it I owe you about 150 bucks. That's again coming through youtube, but you are getting on your Your go fund me page as well. Let me check. Okay. Just updating that so um Motorhead, okay, so let me today is the anniversary of his death.  I imagine they open for them They open for motorhead, right many times we open for motorhead. Yes We did a whole bunch of shows of motorhead.  I'm getting old right the drummer God he's just about the only one living That's right. Yeah, I know I think so. Yeah, who's who's the whizzle's dad? Phil still alive. Phil still alive. Phil camble still alive. I know I'm sure peter's or not, but But yeah, and uh, I still remember lemmy told us at the first time we played with them. We opened for them I think it was in Montreal or Toronto But anyway, he came up after the show and he said you guys sound like the dam Now I don't I've listened to the dam since then and I don't I don't hear us sounding like the dam But I mean, you know, he that was a compliment because he loved the dam I found that out later. But what he said it to us. I wasn't sure if it was a compliment or not I thought maybe it's an insult. Maybe it's a compliment. So I just but I was like, you know, it's lemmy's I was like, oh Thanks, man. I'm so he just figured fast music. It's gotta be a punk band. Let's take a second Well, I think algae wards in that band was in the dam, right? I never heard I never really knew much about them, right? But he made that bus and I thought well, that's uh, that that I hope that's a compliment You should have said hey, you sound like the Ramones Yeah When they do that, especially when they do the song Ramones, but right Yeah, you know, I yeah motorhead was a huge revelation for me in my life The first album because canada did not get the first few albums domestically Um until later ace of spades was the was actually the big debut of motorhead in canada. I'm assuming that the us was probably similar Yeah, canada and us were very linked when it comes to like we're region one and it's like north america. So um So motorheads first album that we heard was ace of spades I've been into music for a long time up to that point, right? It was 81. I was 17 or whatever. So, um But you know camponolo my bass player was the guy who introduced me to them He said hey, you got to check out this band motorhead. I picked up this new album. He said they're like non-stop But kick and rock and roll. Really? So we bought it and uh, yeah, man, that was it. It was like I was just Side two especially right because in north america Side two started with ace of spades side one started with chases better than the catch But in europe the first song on the album was ace of spades. I didn't know that found out later So for us we listed the side one which is all solid and heavy but not particularly high speed But then side two is just like just seemed like at that time 1981. It just seemed like unbelievable Just a wall of speed and I remember playing it for my older brother Who doesn't have the same taste as me in terms of heaviness.  I'm like, I think they're fantastic So, you know, uh, that was uh, that was the first hearing of motorhead and that definitely I mean look what happened with razor anyway. We started to if you look at ardent and dangerous our first ep It was really raven and motorhead were the two bands that really Influenced me But bands that just blew me away when I heard their their their debut albums because I got into them Well, it wasn't debut for motorhead, but it was the north american debut And then of course I went back and bought the imports I went and I got the import for bomber and the import for overkill and the import for the first album too And there was all these little cheesy eps that one of the other record companies was putting out on for old and beer drinkers Oh my god, those things in the christmas thing with girls Dave you ever like go have a drink with lemmy sit around the table, you know, there's a couple of things have supper and Well, he came to the dressing room and talked to us after we never went out for dinner with them or anything But he came talk to us after the show and come down to the to our we have just different dressing room And you just come down and you bring drinks, right? And that was the thing I had a lot of alcohol all the time And uh, he was giving a lot of whiskey to our sound guy, which I'm not sure what the reason for that was Trying to sabotage us Motorhead doesn't need to sabotage anybody. They're so amazing.     I was like, I love it loud, but holy Jesus Have you I've always wanted man. I've always wondered this I mean I've been in bands and whatever and I had to at a certain point start wearing ear plugs and whatnot Like a pussy Did you ever have to resort to this over time or any? Yes, I do. I've got my ear plugs right here. It's it's too bad I have no choice. I have to protect what I got. Don't forget. I have no sight now.  They're they're the flesh tone So that they're not that easy to detect, but I do have those in there's nothing wrong with that No, it has to be done. It has to maybe when I was 18 There was something wrong with that but not now, you know, it's well, we have to do it at this point We have to do it because otherwise I won't I'll be Helen Keller and I don't Know But that'll be what'll happen as it stands. You're daredevil. Yeah You know, I just want to make sure that I protect what I've got left of my hearing So am I hearing it's important to because I'm still I produce the new album And I'm fussy about what I what I what I want for to sound like like right now There's one last step before the record is ready to go into production and that is the mastering And I've been working with the guy in Los Angeles Via telephone for about three weeks now trying to get it mastered correctly He sent me a bunch of versions and I had to make him fix them Which is disappointing because really you figure mastering is just the last step and it shouldn't be Changing things much, but there were some changes in the tone that I didn't like so I'm still making him fix that so All right, I'm gonna ask you about cover a redoing songs But I'm gonna say Dave wheeling Has given you $30. So just a hats off to Dave wheeling Who just donated $30 and it's a funny comment queen bodisha says Uh So this is the singer from the band razor and I think they're referring to you And who's the guy with the hat? And I mean this in a very um funny way now, I don't mean this in mean way or any sort Um, he's he's he's the guitarist. It's it's it's okay It's okay. He's you get asked this a lot. He hasn't talked about himself nearly enough to be the singer No Is not the singer of razor Razor fist is not the singer of razor. No, that's not He's a separate entity. Yeah, he's on youtube.  Yeah, it's just it's a good choice. My name Right It's like I stole it from jesus christ. No, I actually stole it from alice cooper, but whatever I Like to talk to razor then razor fist honestly, exactly. That's what I'm saying. It's cool. Um What about redoing? I know you told me about this a few years ago redoing Some of the older material like uh, maybe evil invaders or songs I mean it's hard for a lot of people to get Well, you know, some people get well army dangers should be a little easier now because relapse just didn't reissue an army danger So it is more available than it used to be relapse can can You know, like they say they can cover the whole world with it now But it was kind of very quiet the way it went out. It just kind of nobody really no fanfare We just kind of gave it to them and they put it out But yeah, it shouldn't be hard to find if you google it or if you uh go to relapse's website Or you know a high roller records also sells it but as far as recording old stuff I thought about it over the years and I get so many people who are like purists who just like they just cringe at the idea of me doing that You know, they're like, oh, no, don't do that. Those are classics. Don't don't remake them. Don't redo Don't you know, like don't mess with them. Just leave them as they are And you know, I get a lot of that so it's always been kind of in the back of my mind that Uh, maybe I shouldn't bother doing something like that. We did the live out wait, which came out in 2016 again Not a lot of fanfare It was mainly a release that was designed for japan and then we decided to put it out all over the world But it's from a whatever Whatever trips to japan where we did a couple of shows in osaka and we we taped it and we put that out And so we have a live album that's so you you can hear the old songs and bob reed saying them You know a lot of the old songs are on that album. So especially Especially for meval invaders and executioner song I think the only malicious intent song that's turned me to pieces, but uh, you know, check out our live album It's pretty good. I think it holds up and it's not touched up. I have that out somewhere. I just don't have it right here He didn't touch it. Oh, you'll hear it. Like there are there you can give mistakes and bob's actually uh A little salty about it when we talked because there's some points where he actually forgot the words And they're in the record. He goes, oh, did you have to pick a song where I forgot the words? I'm like well We was two concerts we taped and you didn't this was the best version of both So that's what you get. So you guys are popular in japan, right? Yeah, well, yeah, we do. We you know what? It's funny everywhere Except where we are is where we tend to be more popular in europe and japan and south america love razor and Canada in the u.s. I would say that we're underexposed in the u.s I think we every time we go to the states we pick up new fans We always find people who are like, I didn't know who you guys were. I can't believe it, right? That happens a lot in america My gateway song was of course evil invaders, you know when that video came out. Yes, of course We're a lot of killer video probably with a budget of five bucks, but fantastic freaking fantastic I love how the alien the invading aliens are just dudes in motorcycle helmets Yeah Yeah, that's it That's what you can do with that's what you can do with 10 bucks pause guys pause pause steel prophecy has donated 25 bucks And he's saying hi there godspeed. Would you mind sharing opinion on sacrifice? And i'm thinking he's referring to the band sacrifice I'm assuming my opinion or a razor fist Would you mind sharing opinion on sacrifice? Well, you know razor fist you can Feel free to step in and give your opinion on sacrifice. Sure, or dave dave. Will you probably I'll go first Sacrifice are my best friends in the metal world So you already know what I think of them. Okay. First of all besides the fact that they're good friends I think they're brilliant musicians.  Just nice guys. You meet them. You talk to them. They'd have a beer with you. They're those kind of guys Um, they uh, they're just we came up with them, right? They did a lot of shows with us back in the early days Um, you know, we met them They they came to one of our first shows in toronto and they gave us a copy of their demo It was called the exorcism at the time and um, you know, so I just love those guys I couldn't I couldn't possibly say anything other than um, it's a pleasure to have Friends like that in the in the you know in the metal world, right? So We love we did tours with them in Um, 89 and 90 we went across all of canada hit every city that had more than 50 000 people We did uh, northern united states with them as well And uh, man, what a lot of fun. No, he goes in the room And I say that and I tell you that I've played with a lot of bands and I've encountered a lot of people some pure nothing But dicks and other people unbelievably cool. You know what razor-efficer saying which ones? Who's are the digs? It's not the first of the coolest guys I've ever met and uh, uh, you know If you don't know that band check them out.  I I'm the anti rock star when it comes to that kind of shit Okay, raise your fist What do you think of uh, speaking of you were talking about the old the old days, you know touring around canada and whatnot there's a new Wave of heavy metal that's been going on Of late and canada is one of the epicenters of it. What do you think of some of these bands that have been coming up like, uh, You know riot city or you know, whatever the the the bands that have been popping up striker Strikers another one, um, Unleash the archers is another as another one. I believe but a cauldron, of course has been around for years. They're great Okay, well, I am brutally under informed in this area and would be nothing but a a Perfect if I tried to offer an opinion because I I don't I'd have to hear it first to really give you Oh, you haven't played with any of them or anything Old farts that you know, like, I mean, it's like if you introduce me to motorhead and I tell you, Remy, what do you think of the reason? Let me be like I just saw them. They sound like the dance I just honestly, I haven't had a chance.  Hey check this out And uh, you know, and then sometimes I get that all day long Yeah, I don't I don't I don't seek out anything new at this point in my life I guess I'm just I just sit around and people bring me something cool. Then I I'll I'll give it the time of day for sure Sometimes Spotify Suggest something to me and then I'll hear something Hey, those guys are pretty good. You know, like Dave check out this band That's how a lot of these bands are getting noticed actually is Spotify, but yeah Because I mean I'll put something on just like one song. I feel like hearing this and I'll put it on next You know, if you don't pause it it goes into the next song and you hear something you never heard before And you go wow, that's pretty good, right? It's like, you know How do you feel about Spotify by the way because I know artists are kind of, you know There seem to be of two minds about it You're either in one camp or the other because it's you know, I know they kind of pay peanuts But yeah exposure on the other hand That's what it is, right? Like a band like mine the way I look at it is people used to ask me the same Thing about people uploading my albums on the youtube, right?  Does that bother you? No, it doesn't bother me at all. I've been as a musician. I hate to say this and this doesn't mean I'm happy about it But as a musician, I've been ripped off Constantly in my life. I mean, it's it's been a constant problem It always comes down to the artist always seems to be the person who they think needs to be paid the least and I don't understand that uh mentality I know that you get with promoters and especially with some promoters and some Like these are questionable ones not good ones But they think oh just because you're in a band and you get the accolades of maybe you get recognition Or you get people want to buy you a drink or they like they think that should be compensation enough for what you do And it's like well if that's what you think they'll never be any real art created because people Can't people have bills to pay no matter what they do for a living but and you know, we have to spend our time Um writing music and putting music together. It's it's can be a labor of love It needs to be compensated because we're doing it at the expense of something else we can do with our time, right? So, you know, it kind of uh, it kind of chaps me, but that's just how it is But at the same time band like razor needs all the This this goes back to the business model. We were talking about before, you know If you've got that education either self education about business or in school You can sort of structure your own model And how to promote your band because let's face it once you go to a label You ain't gonna see anything Any label large small, you know, it's but if you do it yourself and again, I don't not all labels I'm just saying in general, you know, if you mean the traditional label model This is why I've always argued like I don't I don't feel like Metal in general not just thrash not just hair metal not just whatever but metal in general Didn't so much die off as it was sort of killed off The record company's got to the point where they sign. This is the cycle of record companies They sign these young hungry bands for peanuts for very little Exploit them for the first several records. They sign them to some three four record deal And you know, they're not paying them much. They're touring like crazy They are getting starting to get money if they get popular, but it you know Not as much as they would if they had signed a decent contract, obviously And then it comes around It comes around a little later. It's suddenly it's time to re-sign them and they can afford lawyers now and oh Wouldn't you know it? We've got a new toy. It's a new genre coming around. Yeah, they do that And you know, let me tell you the kind of deal that we signed in 1984 with attic records Which is the company that went bankrupt that I took over by the other snakes What happened was they signed us through a deal that is now illegal beside a candidate. You can't even sign It's illegal.  It's just It I know no one no human should have to go through all It's horseshit. I mean, honestly, it is. It's horseshit. I mean, I could see There was one like an attack at Bell's palsy or something. Yeah, I got see I came back from South America And uh, we did a show and it wasn't because of South America. I what happened was This is a comedy of of errors again The person who I will not name because they they they get upset Although I was not happy the person who drove us to the airport For the trip to South America in 2017 was sick Which is an unbelievably stupid thing to be to take a band for a very grueling trip that we're about to take To be sick in the car with them when you've taken the airport is a very bad thing to do Because we're now going out and we're going to be exhausting ourselves traveling and performing And these people I'm sorry.   That's how bad it was anyway, um bottom line is is got got got home and Slept for about two or three days Not no once but I mean two or three days to try to rest and get back to reality and recover from the trip And uh, I woke up and my face was paralyzed. I thought I was having a stroke But I was looking at stroke. I went I went to see my wife and I think I'm having a stroke.   It all started with somebody taking us to the airport sick. So yes, I'm blaming somebody It was was not cool But which is our moral here, you know, there's a moral to the story and that's how Problems go from country to country, right? You can bring in covet, right?  Yeah, you're sick. Don't be driving people to the airport. Tell them you can't make it The exact Be considerate. That's yeah, they weren't thinking about it. They weren't thinking about it. And that's what happened And then I got shingles. Okay.  I got shingles and I had shingles for four months So a lot was a great year 2017. I think they wrote a book in the bible about you. I think The book at Dave is it right after the boils It's just you know, like I mean, that's what I'm saying, you know, you think that it's good enough, right? I started to think maybe I was the reincarnation of Hitler or something. I'm like, what's going on here? Am I doing a penance for something? You know what I mean?   So thank you very much.  Oh, here's a big one and gara Johnson gara gara Johnson 200 dollars Oh, thank you. Thank you so much. These these are on your go find me right now. Okay. Okay. I'm at 175 bucks on youtube. So all right. Thank you so much Let's talk about and and and if you guys have to go by all means just tell me I got I still have time But if you have to leave Dave and razor fist if you have something to do, it's all good. No problem Well, uh, you know, okay, well, I'll stay with you guys.  That's cool too. It's all it's up to you guys. You're good razor fist. You're good I'm good. I'll I'll let you know when I have to tap out Yep When you tap out, I'm tapping on when you tap out just so you know Or you can take a little nap now and we could just continue and you can wake up I'll wake you up in 10. Okay, but anyways, go right Okay So anyway, you can't sign the kind of contract that we signed back then it was a seven-year deal And and a seven-year deal and it was over five years And what added did to us was was I mean, I'm sorry But it wasn't cool. Okay. I don't like to be I don't like to sound like a whiner because I read interviews with other people That say it sounds like why I don't like whining all the time but I have to point out that What they did to us was they took our songs from armed and dangerous They made us put some of that on the executioner song album So we had to leave songs off that we had recorded We actually recorded a follow-up to armed and dangerous a full-length album 11 songs and they wouldn't let us Release that which is what we wanted to do because armed and dangerous sold well So the course being business guys they had to go and force us to put some of the songs on there. So They did that and then when they saw that executioner song was selling okay, and they were happy with that They went, oh, you know what we're going to do We're going to take all the rejected songs from executioner song and the other ones that left over for armed and dangerous We're going to put that under your second album And I'm what no you won't we can't do that. You're good. That's career suicide I mean those songs like as an aggregate. It isn't it isn't going to be a strong album Let us make a new album. I had to beg them to let me write evil evaders And I had to write it in like I wrote that album in less than a month.  I think I probably wrote it in a couple of weeks I don't remember but we recorded it in three days. Three days. We got three days two days to record one day to mix and and and they and then That one sold well and so what did they do they They made us do another album in six months later six months later They started talking about putting out that old shit again as our third album So I had to write malicious intent to keep them from putting the old shit out again As our third album It's just there's such dinks because all they could think about is we have this material sitting in a closet We need to release to make money But fine if you want to release it as a as a secondary release But they'll call it my new album morons. All right, that's that's what they were doing Right, so and dave dave just pause there. They wanted the thrash scene was sort of like Getting bigger and they want canada. They wanted canada to have their own sort of little thrash Uh band or you know on the label and and and how did that work out? Like they go Did they understand thrash and they understand speed? I wish that was true. What was really true was what was really true was they wanted to make some quick easy money Okay, all they really cared about was lieron Yeah, I was gonna say I had heard your interviews before and I thought you were on the same label with lieron and they were over the moon for her Nothing is wrong with lieron. Yeah But my issue with lieron is isn't with lieron at all. It's with attic records. Okay. Yeah, they Put every nickel and dime and resource they had into lieron in her career At the expense of anybody else on the roster except the nylons who were like an acapella band who were also selling a lot of records I remember the nylons lieron was is that every time we needed something they'd say well, we're Where you we've used up our money on lieron. We haven't got money for you We need for the tigers on metal queen video Hey They didn't have any money for us and that's fine. They didn't recognize us as viable commercially They didn't think so.   It was all bullshit They were just suits that wanted to make money Period and that was our mistake that we signed with them because honestly It was a mistake because metal blade wanted to sign us too And we didn't do that. We went with We went with uh attic because we thought Anvil got a chance to go to japan and to europe and everything because of attic. We figured well if we get at least what anvil got We will get a chance We will make an impression and we will get somewhere, but you know what happened They lost a lot of money on anvil They kept telling us that besides the fact that they didn't have any money because of lieron They also said besides we tried that with anvil and it didn't work We tried because we'd say could you give us some tour support so we could tour europe Because we'll be big over there if we get a chance. Can you give us some money to help us do something to promote the bed? We did it with anvil. It didn't work. We did it with anvil. It didn't work. We just kept hearing that So because of whatever they thought they did with anvil. We got no resources there So they had basically deceived us. They signed us under the premise that they would You know that they would Help build our career and then we just kind of got left uh left out now even mega force Did you get approached by uh johnny zizoula never got approached by mega force never got never never never remember Something about me that's maybe a bad thing about me is that I don't go hunting for stuff too much Yeah, people will say to me. Why don't you have a sponsorship on your guitars? Why don't you have this? Why didn't you do that? Well, honestly, I don't ask. I'm not an asker Okay, maybe I should be because I know and the thing is without a manager and without a good Agents and management behind you You got to ask or else you're not going to get shit and I didn't have anybody pushing for me Like we didn't have a good manager. I would have killed for a good man We tried to get helix's manager interested in razor He was marginally interested because he knew our endanger has sold well, but then the other day he went You're too heavy. I can't do anything with you. We tried to get the manager of the killer dwarfs To to do us. Okay. He looked at us. He thought we were a joke. He didn't have any use for us at all So like this is like, you know, we couldn't get they thought we're just too happy. They just thought uh They you know, meanwhile they also thought slayer was a joke too That's why you should have hooked up with somebody in the u.s.  Like we were 20 Yeah, I mean, yeah, sure. It's easy to look back now Yeah, and I'm not saying everybody is 20 or 19 or stupid by the way, please don't take it that way I have to say Are we were naive at that time and you know, we weren't getting any good Advice from anybody who are ahead of the curve though in other ways you were ahead of the I mean you guys didn't you when you came to the states I mean it wasn't like you you set the world on fire down there But you spent some time down in texas that was before texas became a big hotbed for pantera That was before then, you know what I mean like you were ahead of the curve in some ways Some ways we were but you know, like the thing is is that it just I just really wish we had had a good Agent even even if we didn't have a manager just a good an agent that would help us Uh, you know, because that was another thing we lost it on right. We didn't network with other bands that we should have I mean we eventually did the sacrifice because I was friends with sacrifices manager But the other guys other bands that that we um, uh, you know had a chance to play with We could have done a number of amazing tours and we never had a chance. We just never got the opportunity because Um, we couldn't get an agent interested in us and we weren't looking in the america like we should have been We were still We were still trying to stay in canada Which I don't know what and a lot of people don't realize for canadian bands You know, we think go to the u.s. Go to the u.s. Well, you know, there's green, you know, there's work permits You know, there's there's a lot of everything costs more everything costs more I did a video on a japanese band very famous japanese band in japan round us Anthem and and they're huge their judas priest huge in in japan, but here nobody knows who they are and There was this part where I learned all about this reading the anthem bible or whatever Where they had planned to do an american tour one of like five different Aborted attempts to tour america and they were ready. They were set. They had the whole tour the whole stage show They had the whole build set up and then the gulf war happened and the prices of everything shot up like twice It just those little things just being outside a country Everything costs more Yeah, well, I mean when I when I talk to the guys from exciter I mean their biggest problem was they couldn't hook up with the u.s. Bands of similar genre style Because there's work permits involved, you know, you can't just spend Eight months in the u.s. Just like that as a canadian, right? There's got to be the right paperwork Some some some bands are lucky because they're they have dual citizenship in the u.s And they could make it go over the board a lot easier We have we we don't have too much trouble getting out of the streets for shows now You know like the musicians union helps us The the music union the af of m american federation of musicians actually represents the canadian and american musicians It's the same union. So, um, that's you know, that's how we get our people were done Now the thing is with with union what you have to do is you have to get a visa The visa has has gone up substantially over the last five years But we were doing shows in 2015. It's costing us about 300 bucks It's now over a thousand bucks, which may not sound like much but if you're only doing one show That's a big that's a big hit for Overhead right if they have a $10,000 budget to bring you down there to play at a festival or something And then they got to pay a hotel. They got to pay flights They got to pay and then they have to throw a thousand off the top for For you know a visa The thing though is is that you can actually put up to A good number of shows on one visa if you get a tour. So it's not that hard It's just another step you have to do But um, you know, yeah, I mean it you'd be nice if we had a room where you didn't have to do that But that's not reality. But yeah, that's part of it. But the biggest thing is is just uh, like I say Uh, you to stay down there would have been a much bigger Challenge paperwork wise. We still could have done it We would have had to have like a record company that was american minds Like maybe metal blade or something like that. That's right. That's right. Yeah, exactly Being part once we decided to go with attic.  We're like, oh, well rush me They got they got you know, they could they got everybody's the rush model Bryant Bryant was able to do it. So, you know, we should be able to do it, right? So that's kind of how we looked at it. It's a lot easier when you're playing stadiums though, right? And and big theaters, you know, well rush was also opening for kiss. So, right?  You don't know what the exchange rate is going to be is it going to be to your benefit or not There's a lot and then just doing a canadian tour.  That's okay. Wait a second. Where we're going to go from Toronto, right? Like it's it's financially feasible. It can be done financially, but I'll tell you what it is hard It's the exhaustion of the travel Um, like we did it. We did a bunch of looks we halifax all the way to vancouver You know, we did that a few times but the thing is it's five days. That's like six days, isn't it? It's eight hours of driving between some of those shows, right?  So, you know It's a lot of work, man. You're handbombing your gear. You're you're you're That's a lot. It's a lot. There should have always been free trade between the us and canada when it came to like vans and touring You know, there should have just been open borders for that. I don't know understand why Well, you know, it's kind of like what it is in europe probably because people like lemmy kept smuggling drugs across the border Yeah, right Well, I mean when it comes to drugs you can get drugs in canada or the usa so it's like, you know I don't know if it makes a bunch of a difference either which side you're on right, right? and finally americans starting to you know, um, you know catch up with uh weed is getting illegalized You know, I mean I just look at it this way with the weed thing. I mean, that's like, you know I remember how weird my mother was about weed. Okay. She's not around anymore But I just remember what a weirdo she was like how weed freaked her out now She was like so horrified that anybody would touch it.   What you should do is if you're worried about people abusing things You just kind of need to educate people on how to you know, show some uh, tolerance some Restraint restraint like and something some of my kids have an issue with too, which is a little bit of restraint when necessary, you know And a lot of guys in the music business have issues with restraint. I think we know No Okay, well, Jimmy Jimmy. I don't think it's a big proponent of weed either. I think he's had some Stuff that's that may have him that hasn't worked out perfectly. Uh, some people some people can't handle weed Just like some people can't handle alcohol Oh, no, no, I I know people who it triggered schizophrenic breaks for people it doesn't work for everyone I'm gonna say this for weed and I know we're getting on the subject I'm not against it to each of their own right like alcohol to each their own But I can tell you that the brain of a child going into adolescence to adulthood Cannot handle that much drug just like they can't handle alcohol or you know other stuff caffeine for crying out loud Yeah, and it rewires the brain as that child develops into an adult So there is an age where it's not really Suited for you know certain Demographics will say Frank marino is a good one.   I was too scared Did you try to ask it had a girlfriend who did and you know, she had been recommended it and whatever And mostly she said it just made her feel tired and she laid around and it was a little weird She didn't feel the need to do it ever again Yeah, but it was just kind of a she said she said it was kind of weird and spacey Yeah, I tried it once and I'll tell you what it was like. I was 16 It was Halloween when I was 16 years old And I remember because I never tried it again either But again, some people tell you acid is great and whatever, you know, like some people it works for okay, but it didn't work for me I took acid and all I remember is We were we did some drinking too and stuff. I went I walked home from downtown the city. I lived it My head felt like it was my neck felt like it was about 100 feet Long and I remember my head being up where the telephone wires were We had telephone wires and it wasn't under here And I remember looking down at the city and the city looked like it was all the houses were all like I was in an airplane Or something I was walking down the street like that going this is fucked up, man And then I got home somehow I managed to get to my house And I was in bed as I got to get some rest and I was in bed as party about two o'clock in the morning Well at like seven o'clock in the morning. I was still lying there like this Yeah Yeah, I know. Yeah, I can't live like that. That's my thing. I just I can't I can't I can't That's just me. That's just me though. I just yeah. Yeah, it's you. That's me too. That's not my definition Yeah So yeah, no, it's not but you know, if anybody wants to hear frank marino I mean we had like an hour or two hour chat, you know, and uh, he talks all about this and Strange enough is if you guys know his music or not It sounds like he's on acid trip and people always thought he was on acid trips but the reality was He was straight as an arrow and uh, you know after scaring his mother after death and himself after death after his experience, but that was with acid and Great guy. Great guy frank mario. Well, and you know, you may remember the the infamous the infamous sheepdog the interview that we There you go Now we're getting hour talking Get him on the horn Which is so so cool actually that you didn't but um, the thing is is You know, it's kind of we've talked about it.  I gotta this is something needs to be said here. Okay Um, there's no few Like people always use the word few.  I had never had any intention of doing a permanent Reunion I was more like we'll get together and we'll do some shows because I just had cancer and I thought well Just in case I don't stick around that long. Let's let's let's give this one more thought one more thing He called me to tell me he was uh, you know thinking about me when I had the cancer Which I thought was a nice thing to do and if from there we had a conversation We thought well, maybe we'll do something out of nowhere like another sucker punch in my life I read an interviewer.  Nobody expected it. And by the way, that's another thing I forgot in the metal mythos kind of said that we had a very and you would you would think this from reading his interview But there was this terrible Fractured history of the band. There wasn't any fractured history. It's more dramatic. It's more dramatic when you say like that Between 1983 and 1987 when we played as a band the four of us there were no fights about anything None Stace was apparently holding all this shit in And then he let it loose on that interview. I had no idea that he had all this The these observations about us I didn't know the fact that that it mattered to him that we were of Italian heritage or something He brought that up in the fight. It's like what when I met these guys I realized all three of them were italians. What who even knows I like the oh carlo Names that end with an oh, I love that part You got a little humor in there Dave. You got to put a little humor in there I have I have I have My relatives are Italian some of them are from Italy and and and some of my older relatives may not be with us anymore But Italy was their first language I love Italy Italy's a wonderful country and it's my heritage But I am a Canadian and I never thought that anybody would even notice that shit Like I didn't notice his name was McLaren. Oh, he's I think he's Scottish Who's who's evaluating everybody like that? We're not Razor fist sounds German razor fist sounds German, you know No, it's true. I'm half. I'm half German. I'm half English. I'm at war with myself My parents are from Greece so both my parents were born in Greece and they immigrated are you sure they're not from Greece too? Yeah Greece too was never as good as Greece one though I never saw Greece was a motorcycle instead of a car Come on I can't deal with that. No, see that will kill me like like that kind of stuff Is like the hardest thing for me to cope with is stuff like grease or or hairspray Or like my daughter liked my daughter liked hairspray and I mean, okay She was telling me about it stuff, but it's my daughter and lover So I let her tell me about it, but I mean what torture me talk to me about hairspray or grease But anything musical like musical Theater musical anything musicals. Oh Dang me, please. I can't handle musicals Anything when Greece first came out when I was a little kid. I thought it was about Greece Oh, yeah I didn't know I thought it was oh, we're gonna watch a movie about breeze And there's it's they're singing Really? I I I went to cats and I thought I was gonna be about like a Jewish deli or something I I I've been I've been to see either one of Greece or cats. I haven't uh, um, you know, I luckily I haven't Right. Thank god. My parents brought I have a friend who paid $195 and this is a while ago because the tickets are probably more now But it was $195 to see phantom of the opera and he sat in the in the front row with his wife and he fell asleep and his wife was so pissed Oh, man, I thought it was funny. Whatever. That's no. I'm happy. Mine was a rocker. So it's all good with that, you know What kind of music does uh rose like Dave rose likes, um Rose listens to like, uh, bruce spring speed and stuff like that and like my wife foreigner, you know journey She's part of she's I don't she never mentioned for her but she likes to like on She has serious she listens to like the bruce spring steam channel a lot and stuff like that, you know, uh, not really not really Not really my thing, but uh, you know, I don't I don't for darts out of everybody has their own Hey, you know, and I really don't know I may say I don't how many women from a percentage point show up to a razor show We'll see now. You're asking a blind man. So I'm not talking about the girlfriends Yeah, well being blind being blind honestly, Jimmy, I don't see the audience Percentage a percentage like do Well, I would say it's probably uh, it's probably maybe 15 percent maybe 15 20 it's probably a little better now I would think I would yeah. Yeah, I guess again. I can't see the audience I can't tell honestly. That's one of the biggest well from what they tell you from what they tell you I well when I when I'm when I'm seeing the crowd like if it's before a show or something 15 20 percent maybe plus, you know, sometimes we'll do uh, like uh, It's a festival. We'll do an autograph session before and I'm saying that's basically what I'd say It's maybe one another. What about in Japan? Is there more of a higher female? South america is there more I would think more females So I think more female fans actually everywhere except north america like probably europe and and south america more female They've been cultivated in north america for more melody.  They've sort of grew up with More melody like to like more melody and not the new generation of girls. Don't get me wrong They're they're sort of into like, you know the thrash and yes, you know that Yeah, my daughter my daughter likes everything. She should listen She may have been into hairspray in Greece when she was younger now She listens to everything she listens to all kinds of stuff Um, and again, everybody's got the right to like whatever they want and I I'm not I don't like to foregards anybody for liking anything I like I like smooth jazz music. Yeah, I play piano too, right?   What is that so who cares? Yeah, I feel like record companies kind of fostered that a little bit to an mtv a little bit the genre wars and whatever But back then they could afford to because you know millions of records were being sold instead of a few tens of thousands or whatever So razor fish you're back in high school. What were you listening to? With not metal Punk I was really into punk. Okay, non-punk other than non-punk Other than punk. Was there anything else you liked maybe throw it something like a no No, look, I was raised in the youth group. I listened to a lot of christian music So probably why it's such an affection for striper to this day Oh, yeah, I noticed that you covered striper you covered striper in one of your your metal mid-loss pieces and uh, you know Like the thing is um, there's there's a lot of stuff we like like I liked for right like I talked about that one of my youtube videos I like I thought that they when they play a heavy song they get a good job, right? You know, I think Lou Graham honestly has one of the best voices in music Period in music just too bad. He's not in the band anymore No, you know, that's yeah, I know but the guy they've got though. I think sounds like it It's good. He can sing still though. It's nice that he's actually back for after his You want to talk true health travails for crying out loud, right? You know what, you know, you can't expect people when they hit their 60s 70s and 80s to sort of be who they were in their 20s, right? I mean, well, you'd hope not you'd hope. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean and I got that too But whatever come on razor fist. Give me some more bands that other than punk and metal that you listen to okay christian music Oh, okay. I was wait. Okay. Well, look, I'm I'm big time into like r&b and stuff like that I've always been like that. I'm a huge michael jackson mark. I did a whole bunch of videos about michael jackson And uh, stevie wonder.  That's the cool thing is that you can like metal and you can be like that And you could do a metal series and you could have taste and other types of music and that I think is just means you You know, you know versatility of taste is cool.  Dave I wore Dave I wore a nirvana shirt and people just like so many people got mad at me joy vision division That's another band. That's that's you wore what I wore nirvana shirt Never just I think it's a great never mind was a great album. I don't know So how about shotgun justice? Uh I kid I kid You know, uh, stone temple pilots made a good album too back then too core was a good I liked that. I like pearl jen Yes, you know, I don't know their stuff that well. I don't know. That's what you're referring to Yes, great. That's the reissue of shotgun. Yes. Yes. That's the old That's a good remaster by the way It is So, I guess, you know what? Let me just check the numbers here. I know that we've been on for oh boy We've been on for almost two hours. Yeah, we're probably ready to wrap up and I appreciate it. Yeah Anonymous gave you 50 bucks And I want to thank everybody out there For uh, you know all their support for Dave. I want to thank razor fist for jumping on Oh, you're in a place out with the tune I'll give you a sounder. You know what I got here guys? This is my um, this is my uh, you know Can't see it, but I'm going to show it in my youtube video This is the one the album I used to make or the amp I used to make violent restitution And check out Dave carlo razor on youtube by the way Dave carlo razor type it and he's got his own channel Yes, please check me out. I need I need more listeners Or more uh viewers Viewers, sorry listeners. It's okay. Dave carlo razor and of course razor fist the rageaholic sir You know what if you're playing we can't hear you because there probably is a delay Dropsie No, I think there's an issue with the uh, I think the volume is cutting out. Yeah, yeah Dave can you hear us? Yeah, it's not working Dave No, it's not here. I think maybe you have like a volume limiter or something on Like it's it's loud enough that it's trying to cut it off or something Because it because it's coming through here and there, but I think it's uh, there's like a limiter or something hear this We hear that but we can't play just the strings strumming. Yeah. Yeah. Oh Jesus. Okay. Never mind. Okay. We'll do it. We'll do it Sorry. Oh, so okay.  I'll do it live Let's let's end off with this when can we expect this? Oh, jeez. I asked you this question like three years ago When can we expect the new album? Okay, final thing I'll say here to so we can guys can get on with our days set it straight What happened here? I'm just going to give you a quick rundown of what happened Why the album took so damn long because we did an interview three years ago And the record was supposed to be coming out then. Okay, so let's update it and tell you what happened The world caught on fire You pretty much 2018 we were going to record this record second half of 2018 First it was going to be 2017. You guys know about bell's policy and shingles that ruined it 2018 gigs the first half of the year second half of the year. We were going to record it But my drummer Unbeknownst to me announced that he was taking a two month course Training course in running heavy machinery equipment so he could get a second income And he took out the window that we had set up to record the album And it fucked things up and then a whole bunch of shit happened at that period of time Which culminated with rider leaving the band at the end of 2018 So then we started with a new drummer reef and he was in the band for six months and we had Plans to record the album with him We had to get you know, we had to get him up to speed to make the album and do some shows So then by summer of 2019 we were going to record again So what happened was we weren't 100% sure it was working out perfectly with reef. So we ended up Rider was available to come back and we just thought the chemistry rider was better So we brought him back But that wiped out the second half of 2019 because we had gigs to play plus You know, we had to get rider re-equated with with the deal, right? So that took that out. So then we were planning to record in early 2020 Well, we got hit with the pandemic that ruined everything. So this pandemic you speak of what is this? Yeah, I know that you'd think somebody would have mentioned this on tv Yeah, it would have been nice But anyway that that basically took us to where we are today where we finally got it done My wife getting cancer made it even worse because any Potential that I had to get together with the guys during the pandemic was was tempered by all the other shit that was going on But we finally got it done and we've got it delivered at the end of november And now we're just getting the mastering done. It'll be sorted out like within a week here We'll get once the holidays are over here and uh, when's it gonna come out? Well relapse is telling me that the delay is the vinyl the vinyl pressing plants are so full For two reasons one is because vinyl is now pretty popular again But the second reason is is that every band under the sun has an album coming out Is what have they been doing for two years writing records? So now we're gonna you're gonna see a lot of new releases But the bad news is is that everything's backed up because the plants can't press the records fast enough So it's going to be probably at least five more months before you see cycle even though it's done Um, so probably may that's what that's what you're telling me now And hopefully there's no more delays on it. Maybe the maybe we get another Pressing plant increases their capacity or something may 2022. That's what we're aiming for right now That's what they're saying and by the way cycle of Content this is not I don't know if I could show it here cycle of Content that's not the name. That's not the cover But that's the name of the kick-ass image though. Yeah Look at that guys are just yeah, but there's a story behind that that leaves a bad taste in my mouth Okay, so let's not show it then It's actually important for me to say this because uh, uh, this needs a big audience to hear this, okay Let's clear this up. Yeah, this guy tried it. This guy tried to shake me down This this guy in china what happened was He offered to make the cover for us years ago And he seemed like a nice guy at the time and he's like, hey, I'll do a cover for you and you told me if you like it No, I thought the whole time he was offering to do this I was just going to pay him money for the cover like I do every other time I do a cover So I thought well, we'll let him go down the road and if he gives me something good I'll buy it off him and we'll go from there So he developed the cover for me based on my what I told him was the concept Okay, and he made the cover for me. So I said great. I'll use it for the new album. I was going to use that And then once I said that he goes I said, so tell me what you want for it I figured he's going to ask me for a way, you know, maybe I don't know whatever it's going to be Anyway, so um, you know as long as he's not outrageous. I'll buy it off him So then he goes, I don't want to sell it to you. I only want to trade it for worldwide rights to some albums I'm like, well, I don't trade worldwide rights to records For artwork. I'm sorry. I buy artwork and put it on the albums. He goes. Well, that's the only way I'm going to do it Otherwise, I don't want to do it So meanwhile in in in the period of time that he had said that I had said I'm going to use the album cover And the time that I was offering to pay on there was a little bit of a window there We weren't talking to each other every day So it was about a month or two between these conversations. I told him I would use it and he said fantastic He never told me about the the the thing where he wanted the worldwide rights to anything I made one big mistake the mistake I made is I printed up a hundred t-shirts with this image which is what you're wearing right there jimmy and He wrote me a nasty email telling me I was stealing from him Because I used that image without paying it or without paying him or without giving him the worldwide rights And I said I made those shirts when we thought we had a deal I assumed I'd be paying you for the artwork. I'm not printing any more of those shirts I I won't use that again And he said so so my by me wearing this. What's going on like it's okay.    No, anyway, I think you gave me this one. I think Dave I think you gave me this one Like doesn't matter. You're fine.  You know there's a guy in in hong kong once who told me Don't trust china.  Hey, you know what? So anyway, here's what else happened. Okay, so He did I didn't finish the shake down yet. So then he goes I need a thousand us dollars Uh for for you making those shirts And I said well, I'm not giving you a thousand years. Well, then you have to give me permission to make 100 shirts and 100 patches with this image So like here's the deal. Okay. I could have said no, you're not getting nothing You don't entitled to anything. I made a mistake on those shirts If you know if you want like a couple of bucks per shirt I'd be willing to give that to you just to shut you up But I didn't like what he said so I said But not a thousand dollars for 100 shirts.  So I said, but I will give you I'll give you the permission to make 100 patches 100 shirts Just so you stop bugging me, but that's it. I don't want to hear about it again Anyway, we'll be back and he goes don't worry. I'll just do a hundred Well, I know I have my doubts. That's what he's doing. I think he's still selling it Somebody somebody sent me a lake a little while ago. He's still selling it. So my advice to anybody in the world If you see this shirt now, um I would recommend you don't buy it But I'm going to tell you the one you're wearing jimmy that makes it different than the one he's got You've got the band on the back of your shirt. Yeah, I do. I just don't want to turn around because I got wires I got wires. There you go. Can you see that you've got that? Okay, so you've got the real one You've got the one that's cool Anybody who's buying this shirt that doesn't have that on the back is buying the one that he's doing I would recommend you don't but you know what? It doesn't matter if you're wearing that shirt. It's totally cool But I'm worried that I'm just I just hope this guy doesn't try something stupid like telling the world now When the album comes out because the cover the new cover is based on this design It's not that it doesn't it looks it's the similar concept But it's completely different. It's completely different because you're the one who came up with the concept Oh, it's my concept. Yeah But you know this guy Because he was being a weasel before I wouldn't be surprised if he said, oh, you know, you took my concept Like he's like try that, right? So I'm just saying if he does I'll publish his name and then we can all just tell him what I think we could hate him after Yeah, but right now we'll just leave it as is but by all means I would wear that shirt because you're promoting razor and I appreciate Okay, like I you know now that I know the whole story. I don't think I want to wear it again I would pull my traditional razor shirt on like razor fist has there, but I will yes, I wear it with pride You gave it to me. I wear it with pride my friend Thank you. Thank you. And you should wear it with pride and anybody who owns one of those pre-makers You're cool in my books. Um, but the new the new album cover is going to be a similar cover But uh, uh, honestly, it's better. It's better.  We have in Montreal and I think you're headlining it, right, Dave Eraser's headline it got postponed like two years Yeah, he canceled it because of the pandemic. He's actually canceled now. He he couldn't he couldn't financially continue it He had to he dropped a whole bunch of festivals All you keep Maryland pretty popular. Yeah. Yeah, it was and we were on that bill but unfortunately He had to cancel it.  So yes, I've heard of this It's isn't it Quebec death fest Quebec death fest Razor fist the same guy does the Maryland death fest Um, you know, really good guy really good guy. He's booked us for a bunch of stuff He had us for netherlands death fest in california death fest I want to do california death fest again because the time we played it We had some equipment technical issues and we didn't give them a full show And I want to go back there and give them the right show. So I hope someday he puts his back on that california death fest All right, okay. Hey, I'd like to be able to see you in cal. I mean california is like an hour by plane Six hours by car. I'd go Hey, I never get to I may be able to get to your area sometime anyway, my friend I will uh, you will be my guest anytime you want to come to my show Of course right right on Yeah, that's good stuff, man. And on that note, let me just check one last time here the telethon of stars. Here we go Uh, no, we're still but you know what? I have to say there have been a lot of donations It's been nice. I feel I feel like we've made a difference.    It's it's a beast, man.   Sorry The show is dedicated to rose make sure she watches it We we're all we're all you know Praying And I'm sure everybody watching who joined today feel the same way and uh, you know Anyone anyone who hasn't hit up the go fund me? Shout it out if you can share it let everyone know what's going on because um, you know This is first off. It's a fantastic cause um, this is definitely a woman who has been through enough and at this point and Not only that but just in a great way to support a great guy from a great band Who have provided a lot of value to a lot of people who dig their music and and everything about them.  So thank you so much for for donating And thank you so much for sending the positive comments too. Yeah. Yeah guys It's been a pleasure. We'll do it again. And uh, let's hope that uh, everything works out well I don't know what else to say, but thank you to the metal voice fans too for reaching out donating To keep an eye on all of our channels guys check all three of us out and um, you know, like I said, they'll be You know pretty soon. There'll be a new razor open to crank and uh, believe me It's not going to be the last one either. That's a promise two hours, man We've been going for two hours. Look at that. Hey, well, we must a good company time flies. That's all I can say It does I I was planning to be here for what half an hour. So we've corrected a couple of internet mistakes or right Yeah, correct. It's some some stories The metal or Wikipedia trolls have been vanquished Honestly, look that mythos pieces. It is a fantastic piece though. So Go check that out. Yeah. Yeah, they're gonna raise her. Okay guys You have a good day. Thank you so much for your time. I appreciate