Welcome to the 1878 Pog FM Pog I shall have to leave the FM off for four men, but there's not four men, there's only three, but the diva is with us this week and that is, that makes me happy, he is back, punishment won't be discussed today, that will be next week when Pead is with us, but needless to say there will be some sanctions Andy, but today we're going to be nice to you. Thanks guys, I've come out on my tray left today to chat to you guys, it's just how it is, it's just the crazy world of show business isn't it? It happens. Yeah we just felt, I'll be honest with you Andy, it would be an oversight and a slight lie to say that we didn't discuss you last week and regular listeners will confirm the fact that your name was mentioned and we did feel that in some ways, and I don't want to deal with this now because as we said before I think that Pead needs to be here. But we do think that there are aspects of your behaviour which are frankly unacceptable and we therefore need to deal with this in the only way possible, but anyway, more on that later. How are you and it's lovely to see you back? Is this disciplinary, is this like a union rep with me for this particular episode?  I'm up for that, I mean maybe as a punishment Pead can maybe go for his holiday foes or something. Oh by the way, I've already seen a whole stockload of them on Facebook, have you seen them? So for those that don't know, by the way also I should preface this by the fact that there is people staying in his house and looking after the outstations while he is away. Him and his wife are, or wife, girlfriend? Wife, wife, wife. There you go, official. That's the check, official. There you go. So they're in New York, I believe, from Facebook because they have posted videos and indeed a whole gallery of photos of the Brooklyn Bridge and other notable New York skyline landmarks and it looks very, very nice. Do you remember back in the day when someone went on holiday they would have an overhead projector thing and they would go through their holiday snaps? We had a family do that with us, I remember when I was a kid and it's a shame you don't get that anymore. I'd love to go round the peds and get the projector out and go through them. Do you know what I mean? You wouldn't share it up. We'd not say you'd be sat there and you'd be interviewing someone. It wouldn't turn up but you know what the weird thing is though that actually what you describe and it was a strange concept where you might get invited round to a family's house and they would say, Would you like to see our photographs from when we went to Leel and you kind of go, no, they would do it anyway. But the thing is that we don't really need to have those kind of performance events, do we? Because everybody just puts them on Facebook and we all just take it in turns to look through 37 photos from Mykonos. At our leisure. Maybe on the bus or on the train or something. Maybe there's a more polite time back then because you at least get an invite, which you had the opportunity to decline. Whereas Nerf Festerpedd, but I've already seen this holiday photos because they're popping up every five minutes on Facebook and stuff like that as well. I don't go on Facebook, I've not seen it. Are you not on there at all? I'm on there, but I just do not go on it. Have you had experience, a Facebook marketplace experience on there or something like that? No, no.  Yeah, I bought my bike on there. There's some weird stuff on there, isn't there? Have you seen this thing? I've become a bit obsessed with it. And as a result, it's changed the algorithm of what it shows me now when I open Facebook marketplace. I'm obsessed with reborn baby dolls. Have you ever heard of a reborn baby doll? Do you think he posted something about this? They're very odd. They kind of look like the results of when two cabbage patch cousins may come together. Cabbage patch cousins. I love that. The Bridgewater Edition. They're really expensive. They're incredibly like creepy kind of rubber baby dolls that people buy. And they're like a 800 quid, 900 quid, and there's loads of them on Facebook marketplace. Yeah, it's mad. They're in the wrong game, boys. We are in the wrong game. 800 quid? They're huge. It's like nothing I've ever seen before, but I'll just add this, like I say, caveat, a warning. If you start looking for it on Facebook marketplace, Facebook will think, oh, he's into that stuff and start sending you more of it. That's it. No. Listen, I do go on there. I bought my bike on there. I have bought odd items of furniture on Facebook marketplace. I actually do have some stuff to shift on Facebook marketplace coming up. What kind of stuff? You know, I've got some. No, I've got some furniture, which was no longer fits my requirements. So I'm going to be, you know, moving that on to a new home. Fair play. Ned had a great experience on Facebook marketplace last year. Was it last year, Ned? Last year, wasn't it? He wanted to sell. OK. He wanted to sell his iMac. Old iMac. Oh, dear. He put it on you exactly. That's different. That's for his legs. Not for the iMac for his legs. If you sell electrical items on Facebook marketplace, you open yourself up to the biggest, like, focused collection of weirdos in the United Kingdom. Which isn't what Ned did. Ned basically arranged to sell his Mac. He'd already been bartering with this lad. So he eventually, he was saying to me, this lad is offering me like 100 quid less. And I said, stick to your price. That's what you're on a sale of four. If he doesn't want to buy it, it's worth it and someone else will. Anyway, the lad apparently agreed to pay the money. And he went to Ned's house, which, OK, I mean the alarm bells for me, but there you go. Ned just basically handed his iMac over to him. And the lad walked off with it. He never saw any money. He told him he'd wire transferred him the money. Oh my word. And showed him a black screen shot price. I did point out to Ned that when that happens, normally you wait for it to land in your bank and then you go. You may have it. Anyway, the lad. Ned sounds like one of those people that gets asked to run the tap upstairs while someone goes through their handbag. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. A fear forum when he's older. Yeah. He's definitely scammed central. 100%.  Ned will don't get don't get dumped at some stage. Wow. But the lad, apparently the lad, the mad thing about it was this gentleman who had about 47 different profile names or whatever, had scammed quite a few people and the police were aware of it, but said something like, well powerless to stop it almost. Who'd have thought that there were unsavories even in St Helen's? Exactly, exactly. Maybe that's a note of caution, Dave, before you sell this mysterious bit of furniture. Get the money first. Well, you know, I don't, yeah, and I don't want it to sound weird. You know, it's just furniture which no longer suits my requirements. And I would like to see it go to a good home. I will be making sure that I take on board Ned's experience and indeed your advice, and to make sure that nothing is parted with as it were until I get the cash in my... Satisfactory payments. A love swing. Would that go in, would that go in like furniture? Yeah, love swing. Well, I don't know. I mean, it's difficult to know how you categorise stuff like that. I tell you what, no, I mean, back to your original thing about how weird and random Facebook marketplace can be. It's kind of like the one show of buying stuff, isn't it? Because all sorts of stuff has just come up in any order. And I kid you not, I was on there about a year ago. A little bit like this podcast. I was on there and I saw, right, there was a lady and she was a larger lady, and which is great. And she was selling some of her second hand lingerie, I suppose you'd call it. You know, it was underwear, ladies underwear, that was... You know, it's the sort of thing that you might not wear every day. I'm just trying to be careful. Yes, special occasions, weekends, birthdays, something like that. So she was trying to sell this. Now, I don't know whether if I was in the market for ladies lingerie, and by the way I'm not, if I was, I don't know whether I'd buy it on Facebook marketplace, but maybe some people do. And then, literally, on the next page, as if it was her posting, there was a second hand inflatable boat, you know, like a kind of dingy. And these were next to each other. See, it's not one of those things where people who bought this also bought some of this. Maybe she was in for a great weekend, Cruising. I mean, that's an inflatable dingy and some specialists on the garment. Hey, listen, you never know when you're in luck, you're going to be in there.  It is, isn't it? No, down to Carmel Dam with his lingerie on and his inflatable boat. Well, tell me what, have you been after the backstory to why Dave was paddle boarding down in Devon with pasties in his bag? Exactly, absolutely. Maybe they weren't pasties. That's all I'm saying. I don't know whether I can say it. I'm going to say it and people have a go fair play. But I've once saw on one of those things, and it was reposted, somebody's selling a girl's selling half a bottle of anal loop. And it's hardly used. Right. Low mileage. Low mileage. Okay.  I don't either. But do you know what I like about that? Right? I've always been BYO. Just put it out. Just put it out. Do you know what I like about that? Is the fact that in the current climate where there is so much wasted, and people might get halfway through, what would you call it? Is it a tube or a bottle? I think it was like a tube. I love how you tend not to know that, Dave. I can't remember, but I suppose it was not a bottle. Because essentially a bottle you feel is almost like glass or what you drink cocoa. It was one of those... Like a toothpaste. No, no. So it was like... It's like what we seal the bath with. No, it wasn't painter's cork or shilligan. And it wasn't a pump-axe. It was a cylinder, but like a plastic cylinder. So would you call that a bottle? No, I know what you mean. But I tell you what, that is mind-blogging in terms of the application varieties that you could have there with something that was like a pump-axe. It's so long though, you'd have to get the other position to do it. You can do that yourself. Or invite a friend around. Exactly. He's got a launch at eight and an inflotable dinghy. What? An inflotable dinghy? I mean inflotable. That wouldn't be very good, an inflotable dinghy. An inflotable dinghy. Do you know what I think in many ways this conversation just sums up how much we are enjoying and not being active at the moment. I was just the best thing, isn't it? I was just about to move on and go. This is the happiest Evertonians podcast that we've ever done. Ever. And it will only go back to normality on Boxing Day. I'm dreading it. I'm absolutely dreading the start of the season again. Are you dreading it? I've got terrible, terrible vibes there. In many ways that newly announced rail strike has done everybody a favour, hasn't it? It's actually knackered all the Boxing Day fixtures. Yeah, totally. Okay, honestly, just. I put a little thing on our premiere this morning with just some random subjects for the pod today just in case. In case we wanted to just talk about random stuff. No, in case we were stuck. We're never stuck, but just in case. Just in case we did. But one of them was from Gareth Hughes. He's a top lad. He says, after this sample would you now be in favour of wind railcups as the norm? I will be in favour of yearly winter railcups that stop football for six or seven weeks at a time. Just so we can look at our breath back. We were just like aside from Everton for a second, but as a World Cup it's been a really interesting one because it hasn't had the same vibe as like, you know, I've not seen anyone driving around with England flag sticking out the car. No. There's not been any of that, but I think football wise it's been the best World Cup for a long long time. The group, the best group stage. Definitely. So it's this really weird split between, like for example, you can always tell how popular a World Cup is, like say if my other half Katie's gets into it. Whereas I find a lot of people's other halves of not really being that bothered about it because obviously morally it's a little bit questionable as well. So it's almost like if you're into football it's a great World Cup, but it hasn't really spread out into the wider realm of pop culture. I said that myself. What's taking place on the grass has been excellent, but it's almost like it doesn't feel like anything else is going on other than what's on the pitch. Yeah, no fan zones or anything like that. There's only like a carnival, isn't there? It is weird. It is weird. Now I was thinking that today coming back on the school run and I did actually see like a St George's flag hanging outside this house as is, you know, popular normally during a major tournament. And I saw it and I kind of thought, actually, I haven't seen many of those. And it seems odd actually to have this flag outside, which as you say, he should normally be accompanied by kind of like, you know, weekend barbecues. And lads walking around with cases of ale under their hand in flip flops and shorts and stuff going off to their mates to watch the match, you know. And it's just a strange thing where, you know, you're more likely to find someone coming home with a Christmas tree. Exactly. And it just doesn't really fit right, does it? The other thing is, the other bit I found fascinating is that there's been like a real shift in what it is to be an England fan, in that we've been controlling games and kind of strangling the life out teams a little bit and never really been in peril.  It would never really be in our first 20 minute wobble when, you know, McGuire was having a bit of a weird one with so many stones. Really kind of controlled the game and just eased them out the way. So you don't get, I haven't really had that kind of, you know, a few Hail Mary's at halftime type thing that you normally get with an England team because we're kind of in control. We've turned into like what Germany used to do to us back in the day really. It's like, oh, wish we were a bit cold and clinical and didn't have nerves like they do. Well, we're kind of like that now. It's weird. Zot. I wonder if they're enjoying our performances back home in Düsseldorf. Possibly. I'm sure they are. Possibly. They are back there, man. So what are your thoughts then, boys, for Saturday? Obviously, this is a big one. I mean, not saying that Senegal wasn't a tough match and potentially it was tricky, but France, that's the proper test, isn't it? Well, I mean, we'll know where we're at properly. I don't feel like we've really played anyone that's going to so far bar like, you know, a roadblock with the USA game. Anyone that we haven't really kind of properly tested ourselves at the moment. One of the biggest Achilles heels of this England team is that if it gets too easy, they make mistakes. You know, so that's what I thought. When we have been in a bit of jeopardy, it's just through our own doing, like, you know, making mistakes really, to be honest with you. So I don't know. I think when you're a top level player like we've got in our team now for England, I think they'll just see this as like a, they're really confident. And this is, you know, this is the kind of game we should be winning. And it might be a real, you know, fork in the road moment for England where, you know, these are the games we might end up battering them. I mean, France are good. Don't get me wrong. But, you know, I feel like we've got a good enough team to at least match them. Yeah, they are very dangerous and bad based. It's tremendous. And I think if England leave as many gaps as they did against Senegal, they'll be in trouble. There's no doubt about it. And Jerew, as well, is much integrated, I think, you know. I was saying my hand the other day, I mean, was he not an option for us at one point? He was rumoured. Yeah, he was practically right. He was done. I mean, why did that not happen? Cos he wasn't getting in the Chelsea side. It was when he was, yeah, his wife wasn't it. It was when he was leaving Arsenal. And it's difficult to say there was a reason why she didn't want him to move to Macy's side. This is nothing to do with Ned's experience in St Helen's. No, I don't think he'd had the AI maxed all on offer. That could swing. Cos that would definitely, yeah, swing is interesting. That would definitely change it, yeah. Speaking of which, though, should we be hearing rumours of strikers and stuff at the moment? Well, I was just going to say. You know, we're moving towards that. You're texting Ted, by the way.  What are you doing, Baz? I've just put something in the group for you. Oh, right. I see. Fine. Oh, OK. Do you know what? Hang on. Listen, I know that we can't even allude to this. Possibly, but is that true, Baz? That's maybe one of the reasons. Really? By the way, we should maybe kind of like tease this information in some kind of like extra. I think everyone probably knows, but we're not saying it. I tell you what, I didn't know that. I didn't know that that's the reason why he perhaps didn't want to come to us, but that's fascinating. Ronald Cooman wouldn't give him his iMac, and that was it. Yeah, and for new. Moving towards it, obviously, it is a few weeks away. I don't really want to discuss it too much, cos you opened it up with before. It's been utterly delicious getting up in the morning, and it's the furthest thing from your mind. It's tremendous.  Just watching football is so exciting without it being evident. But obviously, our football team is in dire need of forward players. I mean, what I was going to ask you to, first and foremost. Sorry, in many ways, I just interrupt. In terms of the information that you just gave us before, you could perhaps describe, you should really have been a forward player, couldn't you? You could, very forward. And he'd still improve us now, if he was to be able to get permission to move to us. If he could get a hall pass for a year or so. The actual thing for Everton is, when we're coming back now, do we think that we are, the break will have done us good in terms of the reset button so the players can almost, if you can't ignore the Premier League table as it is right now and ignore the form that in. And almost be, it's day one again. Because some teams are going to have to do that anyway, aren't they? The simple answer is yes, you would hope so, if that's an answer. Listen, if we rewind back to happier times and the four of us have been on here and have said, do you know what, things are going in the right direction and they're working hard and it will be buzzing around all over the place and all these different things and we look solid at the back and all those qualities that we applauded. And obviously the wheels have come off a little bit, a lot of it. But there's no reason why we can't get back to that. But what that doesn't change though is the fact that we are woefully short, the risk is sound like a broken record, we are woefully short of any kind of fire power up front. Because once again, Dominic is not a long-term answer, right? And Mopay is also not a long-term answer. We need somebody, like the aforementioned Giroux or somebody who is a tried and tested goal scorer. We've got to get somebody in. I mean, otherwise I just fear that it's going to be a real slog for the rest of the season. And we went through that last year. We can't go through that again because we will be worryingly close. I mean, I was going to say worryingly close to the exit door, but that's assumed. We stayed up by the skin of our teeth last year. If you have a scare like that, surely you do everything in your power to make sure you sit down and think, right, we're not going to get ourselves into this position again. Everton are sleepwalking back into exactly the same position. You don't have to be like a sports science expert to know that we were roster-wise. We were incredibly thin on the ground up front.  They still haven't thought it out. Weirdly, last season caught everyone by surprise and it was a real shock as we've discussed in this podcast, hugely traumatic being in Nevitonian. And it was awful. I think it did affect my mental health. I'll be completely honest with you. That did mine 100%. It really did knock you for six. But if we go down the same route this season, I will have a completely different approach to it because they've had the warning signs there. It's not come as a shock and they will only have themselves to blame in there. And it's like a different, I'll be slightly distanced from it because we've been through this before. So you should have planned accordingly. We've got a brilliant new stadium on the way and to have that in the championship would be such a travesty. Do you know what I mean? I think last year emotional trauma was unbelievable. Sleep, everything. It's always on your mind. I fell out with loads of people as well actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. On Twitter and stuff like that about football, just a lot of arguing.  And the thing about it is this year, I'll be angry. Last year it wasn't angry. I was just disappointed. I was emotionally, like you said Andy almost, even though, Benita's coming in was a thing we knew wasn't going to end very well. Me thinking that wasn't going to end very well because Everton being 15th or something and it just being 14th and being terrible to watch. It wasn't needing to be, you know, with 40 minutes to go of our set up, you know, penultimate game with 2-0 down and basically we relegated because we were getting on the rational. Bar of Miracle, which is frankly what happened. Exactly. But this season, like you just said, we've had the war on science. We, we, yes, we improved the team. We absolutely did improve the team and some of we did. I don't think anybody could sit here and go, we never. But what we've done was we also lost the goals. I said this earlier on something this week.  You know, LeCarque, that team, I've done this to death but I'm going to do to ball you too as well for a couple of minutes right now. I'm going to say, that Everton side had Seamus Coleman in. He was obviously, Seamus Coleman still plays for us. Love him. So he was six years younger. So he was at the peak of his powers. Leighton Baines, still had a few seasons to go. Good player. Okay, John Stones was there albeit he went in the first summer. I'm going to say he took over, but we had John Stones. Jack Gielcher, then in midfield we had Garth Barry, James McCarthy, Romelu LeCarque. So when you look at all of those players and there was others who were dancing around the edges, when you look at those players and then you say, there's a fellow with a big pot of money. Yeah. And that team bear in mind was edging around, okay, Martinis managed to somehow finish 11th with it but it was a team that should have really been challenging for the European place. When you look at the quality of those players and then that money came in, it was, it's, when I think about it now, it's all, and certainly because the next season, when Cuman took over, they're getting Europe, we finished 7th and comfortably. It almost blows my mind that we have not improved in fact since that moment, when Cuman's season finished, Everton have gone backwards factually. Well certainly in terms of, in terms of the attacking options. But the goals went, the car key went, Rooney came in, became top scorer. We let Rooney go the next season. We had Retialysen, we've let Retialysen, and we've never put goals, Ross Barclay went, so he used to get eight, nine goals a season or whatever it was, assists, that's gone. Absolutely. What do we do to players though?  What is it with us? How can you come to, people come to us, even managers come to us, like Silva, you know, the way Fulham play football at the moment. What do we do? We like, it goes back to the curse thing, but we seem to do some things to people that makes them, you know, nowhere near as good as they actually are. Maybe with us. Institutionally, dysfunctional, and that's all therefore, it can't be, we can't sit here and go, every manager since David Moyes has come in has failed really. Martin has had one. Well it's all their fault brother, yeah that's it. Exactly, it can't, if you try seven or eight managers, like we have, and you don't get anywhere, it can't always be the manager's fault, can it? Players let you down, that absolutely they do when they cross the white line, but there's got to be something bigger, and you know, Frank Lampard, we all like I think, but we all realise that, we all realise that he's got to improve as well. Well it's worked like I say, a bit of a crossroads with Frank. My prediction a couple of weeks ago, I think if he loses the two games, the other side of the restart, then I think he might be gone. We've lost six in eighth haven't we? Yeah it's certainly the stats are looking really bad. But it's either, it's either this thing of two transfer windows where he's, he's had more than that, but you know, number one, sort out the spine of the team, make us a bit more tough, which he's done. So this second one now, it's got to be the one where he adds the firepower, otherwise that's not the plan. I mean I'll give him that time for definite, if you know, you can't get it all done in one kind of go, but you know, if he doesn't... But you're saying that he might not even get that transfer window, I mean that's the thing, I mean you know, I don't... You have to chew the feets of before it, aren't you? Yeah. Yeah and I know, I get that, I get that, but that would make no sense to me whatsoever. And I can understand the pressure that he'd be under, and I can understand the feelings of many, especially those that may be in a position to do something. But to actually chop him before he's had a chance to maybe, you know, he might have identified a strike, he might have identified two strikers for all we know. I mean what should be happening now is that, you know, Thelwell or whoever, you know, should be there, literally outside the door of the striker shop, you know, like on Box and Day sales, ready to go straight in there. In a sleeping bag. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah. My first ex-mother-in-law used to do that with the next sale, you know stuff like that. Five o'clock in the morning. Yeah, absolutely be there, you know, going in for that top that she'd already identified in November. But this is what you have to do. She's planned ahead though, to be fair, she's got a strategy short. And this is exactly it, and strategy is a word. And this is something that we seem to be so bereft of, is the fact that we need to have a strategy. We need to know what's going to happen.  Can I? Don't kind of wait, don't wait there till the 27th or the 28th, when everybody else has been sniffing around all the decent, you know, targets. You know, and we're after loan players from Turkey. You think about the games we've had so far this season, and it's been fine margins. We've missed a lot of cities. So maybe, you know, it could just be the difference between that one piece of the puzzle, someone who's got a bit more composure, and we have missed some big chances in games. And we're suddenly looking at a completely different roadmap for the rest of the season. Three or four or five more points. We're all sat here going. Could have a decent second after the season. You know, we've got two thirds of the season left, but do you think Everton could really take the pressure off Lampard regardless of the two results, because they are coming before the window opens? If Everton could do, and we hinted at this the other week, but what kind of what he did with Michel Encho, so therefore if Everton have got a strike aligned up, get a deal done, and announce it on the pre-order. Fully announce it, you know, around Christmas time. Everton have signed, you know, we've been like with Beto from Udenaisie, use a good player who would make a difference to us. Everton have agreed to deal with Udenaisie for Brazilians forward, you know, whatever Portuguese forward. Beto for whatever £25 million and the player will sign on January the 1st. Something like that. Unless the deal gets hijacked. Yeah, but it's basically done and agreed. And then does that then buy the manager a little bit more time regardless of the two games, or are the two games still? I mean Man City are ways one of them, so let's cross that off, we're not. That ain't going to happen is it? So that's done. We ain't going to have a cap run as well, with the, you know, it's a draw. Exactly right. So therefore he's under real pressure isn't he? A home, i'r side of that city game. He needs four points out of them two. You know, like Pedd was saying the other week, it's really, you know, really the best time to have done it, which would have been stupid, would be before this World Cup starts, because whoever the new bosses has got X amount of weeks to work with players, but that would have been mad, given that we do have faith in Lampard and we know that it's not just him. There's other factors that are slowing things down a little bit, but the other thing that might happen is that we have a couple of ropey results. He finally gets to a transfer window, gets a couple more people in, then gets sacked two games after we resume after the transfer window. The problem is that it just feels, you know, the analogy that I'll use, it's like snakes and ladders, you know, you just feel like you've actually made progress of source and I know that it's not all kind of upward progress and there's a bit of flatten, there's a bit of down, there's a bit of pressure that's made as a whole and you do all that over however many weeks and months and what, and we've seen it so many times with so many different managers and we're seeing it now with Lampard and then suddenly the idea comes to, and by the way, you know, I'll preface this with the fact that I didn't think this about Raffergo, that's another story, but you know, they go and chop the manager and suddenly straight back to square one again and it's a bit like, oh, we've now got to completely rebuild, because they don't fit in with the thoughts and the strategy of the new manager coming in, therefore we've got to have a completely new overhaul and it's just so counterproductive. Isn't this what Evan's fundamental problem is though? So say Frank Lampard just say for argument, say he wants to play out from the back so Evan can get some players that theoretically can play out from the back and then what we've done is we've got now Frank, you're not good enough now, we're replacing you with Andy Bush, and Andy Bush likes to play 4-4-2, banging it long to 6-4-5 strikers and therefore... I don't play by the rules, but I get results. Exactly, Andy, and this night we'll put a pass, I think you will get results. Andy's not here for a long time, he's here for a good time. Exactly, and that's it, you know, he's not here to make friends either, he's here to win pots and then therefore, like you say, the manager comes in and goes, you've spent 30 million on there and they're no good for me. I don't want them. And therefore we're late from what... and the sensible people would say, well, put a thread in place where you play a certain system, you play a certain way, but then have a look at managers, you have a look at managers around doing similar jobs at other clubs who play a similar way to the way this fellow wants to play and then if you start looking and go, he's not really cutting it this month, we can bring Exhibit A in over here who will use those players because they're very similar to the way he plays anyway. It's where the power's focused though because you take Arsenal, for example, they have Eddie there, they've got a way that they want to play football, they keep going about the process, but he felt that if things didn't go right for Arteta, they'd get in another manager that play and fit in with the way that they can see the trajectory of the club. But what we've got at Everton is that a new guy that comes in has got a new way of doing it, new backroom staff, and the whole thing like Dave with snakes and ladders all over again. We haven't got someone like that. Have we got a director of football? Yeah, Kevin Felwell, and he is to be fair, he has put a lot of processes in place and I think he's probably a little bit frustrated about how it's not moved as quickly. So I think we do, there has to be that caveat when we're saying we've done this consistently and we've done this wrong, whatever that. We do have the fellas being here nine months, we've got to allow that process and I talked to people who were working within recruitment and stuff like that and they said you do have to just let it play out a little bit because to start getting the fruits of that it's time it is really and he is making good progress, but us as fans we need to see it probably right in front of our eyes as well. I'll tell you what though, if you watched the Australia games or whatever we've got some good young players coming through and that's like a slightly delayed gratification but we've got some good players on the way. What I was going to say was does it I mean Dave does it annoy you that and I know it was at a different time but Ella Sims has scored again on Friday I scored again at the weekend and had an assist and I was speaking to someone last night who was at the Sun, he's a Liverpool fan but he went to Sunderland on Saturday for a different reason, said he looked really good and he was powerful and and I know we went out before Dom and the Calvert Loom got injured some, we've had this conversation before. Can you cancel looms though? Can you cancel looms? I've heard of looms being recalled though but there has to be, there is if you put that into the agreements. I think you can have it, I mean at the end of the day it's a contract though isn't it and I think if you have loaned a player out for that period of time whether that's a season long or whatever is that I'm not aware, there might be, there might be fine printing there whereby you can recall because I think it looks like we're going to recall Tiara Brantway from the PSV loan and put him in the championship because he's not playing enough but if Ella Sims basically plays for Sunderland it's only when he hasn't played he's been injured so they are competing they're doing their part of the bargain I think the higher profile the loan is like the El Garzi won last season for half a season it was quite clear Everton didn't want him Frank Lampard didn't want him did he four weeks ago? by the way was that Rafa that brought him in Rafa Benitez didn't want him it was the thing you'll find it oh no he came as a makeweight he came as a makeweight didn't he he came as a makeweight didn't he but what happened was to get the Luchudin deal done Villa couldn't afford Luchudin's wages so they couldn't afford to do the deal so Meshiri's mate who is El Garzi's agent apparently Everton had to pay his wages which meant Villa had enough money to be able to buy the player they were buying from us on payers wages apparently that is allegedly that's what the story is I can't confirm nor deny it but that is what the story was which is a bit bizarre but listen let's hope that Everton and I'm sure they are working towards two forwards in January it has to be it has to be a priority this should have been surely the main main focus of all of this time off I mean obviously certain people are there basically trying to make sure that the side is as fit and prepared for the remainder of the season as is possible right that's a given but then other people within the club whoever they are well etc etc in his team have got to be focusing on who these two strikers are that we need right because and we do need two one's not enough you know we need to giving us technically four strikers with Dominic and Neil Mopay being the other two and we have a situation where maybe we have some competition for players then great because if you think about the amount of players that we have carried for so long over the last few years on the wage bill surely if we're going to have surplus anywhere let's have it up front a little bit now that actually the rest of the team looks relatively solid all things considered in terms of where they've been we've got to for me it's got to be a wide forward and a striker we've got to have more goals in that front how good did Richarlison look last night by the way I don't know when you're listening to this but at the time of recording it's Tuesday morning so we obviously watched the Brazil game last night I mean you just look so good didn't make up players isn't he yeah yeah yeah and you're thinking of Everton I'll tell you what though Pickford was fantastic didn't even get credit for the first save he made and that's one of the toughest he doesn't get that with Everton but when you play for a really good team you're doing nothing for 25-30 minutes you've got to switch on really quickly he was absolutely great that's the thing at least with Everton they keep his hands warm don't they we like to make him get lots of touches to make him better Graeme Schunas comment last night about Richarlison forget his comment what was his jacket his jacket was terrible he looked like he'd just he looked like he'd been done out on some extra kit from an old Miami Vice or George Michael in the early 90s but he was commenting that yeah Richarlison's improved now cos Conti sorted them out sorry what by not playing him he was quite good for Everton every single season double figures every single season he's an absolute clown when he's just talking about the game you listen and he's quite knowledgeable the minute he starts thinking into reasons why players are doing you just go make sure of I just felt sorry last night for that Anya Loku who sat there she sat in between the two most miserable men in sport in Schunas and Roy Keane Roy Keane's funny dog well yeah that's true but Roy Keane's beard just baffles me every time I see it I just think that he's just looking more and more like a sort of grumpy cartoon goat and yeah he looks quite youthful when he's got his beard shaved off and he looks fresh why would you have that as a man I can't listen I'll let you into a secret Andy Bush you're a man who likes to sport you know now as ever I can't really do that I only get like a little bit under there and I get nothing here I believe it's the phrase and I still think that when I move into my 40s I'm thinking it might be a bit of a somewhere in my development and it might sort of come late track that with interest Dave I'll let you know I'm on call to you there's the other day Dave he's a singing striker oh really is that good? he's got a tremendous head of hair like yourself I think you but score more goals than at the moment he's having an absolute may right now for Argentina got a goal that's allowed by a toenail in the opening game and he's lost his place in the team so he's not having a great one wasn't it nice to see Suarez crying that was lovely and son last night to be fair but Suarez was especially him and Nunez it was especially nice it is what it is isn't it it's not me I'm messing with Nunez but Suarez it was almost like the garner of weight at 12 years for that moment I enjoyed that a lot I also like you know as you say when you see son's tears rolling down his there was something beauty just nice wasn't it absolutely that'll learn you for Andre Gomez I mean son is son really and son is we're all fathers to kids obviously we have three dads on this podcast Dave you've got a guest at the moment yeah I mean you know I was a semi permanent guest in the shape of my 15 year old daughter and by the way if you don't have a 15 year old daughter let me just say it's one of the most joyful and fun times of any parents you know a journey through life it's a beautiful time and I particularly enjoy our exchanges at half six quarter seven in the morning is it a little bit like Everton's season is it a little bit you know it was a bit more like a bullet ghost yeah I mean at times there are question marks over attitude and commitment you know and we've all been there yeah there are many parallels and just kind of thinking you know could they do more you know could they could they do more could there be more effort there could there be a greater strategy does she not finish her dinner as well no I mean it depends I mean she quite likes my cooking that's not a problem really but the problems are elsewhere but yeah there's many parallels I think with being the father of a of a 15 year old who's currently going through her mochi to seas and following Everton and one that I'd like to say I'm relishing do you find yourself whatsapping her even though she's in the same house as you what to come down for a tea and stuff like that our oldest I would communicate basically through whatsapp if she would be on just chats to friends online I don't know what they talk about there have been a school together for the day and then they're back on FaceTime Mike youngest Zach is you know he's 11 so I've just gone to senior school and that's the same in sat there watching the mat the other night me and him are watching sat there what was it and I just there is Mike's voice and I went like he's in the room I went out to Stevie why can I hear Stevie when me and you watching the mat I went mate honestly go in the other room and saw Stevie open him we're watching the footy do you remember when you used to if you wanted to chat to a friend when you got back from school you'd have to run the gamut of going on the landline chat to their parents you'd have to sit on the bottom of the stairs on the phone you'd be sat there and you'd always be trying to you know there was always that bit in the phone cable this is showing our age but anyway bear with us you know with the phone thing and it would always get like a kink in it where it wasn't quite the way it was intended and then you would try and get that kink out while you're on the phone but then you'd find that you'd end up doing another one and you'd never really get it right because fundamentally you're not an electrical engineer you're not an electrical engineer you're just not a phone but that's what you used to have to do or you just used to go knock on the door and you do that thing and you knock on the moment you say oh no he's gone out he's probably up by wherever and you'd have to walk up there he's gone to buy an iMac off Ned in St Helms he's gone to buy an iMac off Ned in St Helms he's gone to buy an iMac off Ned and the kids they don't know the ball but they do have that thing they have the stages where it's a different language isn't it it's a different language a lot of grunting a lot of grunting you know rolly eyes I get told I can't say that anymore quite a lot you can't say that anymore yeah I've had that and the thing is you can't even really on any kind of forum like this which is public you can't even actually allude to some of the areas that we may have been told that we're not allowed to venture into a fear of maybe you know of Shreton's from let me put it this way 1970s, 1980s men working men's club range of accents that you could have done after the games gone that's gone to finish the bottom is falling out of that business the games gone sky of ruin this but now it is isn't it I mean in the words of Olivier Giroux you know that's what he would have said maybe what other people have said I think he would have said a lot of things he would have said a lot of things it is you know more and all of that stuff it is a very seaview place and va va vu it does bring about its trials and tribulations parent in the modern day I equate it to a film in many ways it's the sort of thing whereby if it was a film this would be the bit that I'd fast forward do you know what I mean but you don't want to miss anything out and you're a man who's got younger children and you've got children who are still of a cute and like a belage and there'll be a period when you don't like them you love them but you don't like them absolutely you know but all that stuff so I think up to 10 is quite nice you know 7s and 8s and stuff like that is quite nice but then you sort of get beyond that and it all gets a bit crunchy and ugly I mean I she's an sicker older we go over the game I coach his team but sometimes I'm here and lad we don't speak like that in this house mate lad not to me no said it once to me and he will never say it again the luck I give him he realised very quickly he'd gone in for a three-footer challenge and there was VR there there was no getting away from it I'm dad not lad exactly it was like never ever utter those words to me again but it is it is a thing and the problem he's had he's grown up quicker than probably what the other two did because the other two I've got a daughter who's 24 and I've got a son who's 21 and you don't look old enough Barry if you don't mind me saying so what's your secret there are other products available culture house to be honest Wim Hof and the loob the loob at a boat hardly used on the facebook marketplace and I've got some cracking lines and an inflatable boat it is a the breeze has grown up quicker because obviously they're older so the conversations there haven't he's grown up a little bit with it but it is, it's fraught with danger so you just have to cope with it Dave you have to do your best you just knock it back I suppose modern day Novik Djokovic knock it back past it and turn and walk away and you'll get through it it's weird though because I never thought that I would be as obsessed with landing lights and stuff like that as my dad was but I genuinely am you have to be nowadays though don't you black pool illuminations even more so have you used that though Andy does that reference come out it's like black pool illuminations which is ironic because you live a lot closer to south end pier would it have been easier to say south end I might change it it's like canvian air that's it, you can bounce it off no but it is you do spind yourself all of what old homes won't I remember my nan used to say to me you'll be laughing on the other side of your face what does that mean he's really currently trying to explain that one and he goes what are you going to do he's a one he's a one and I don't know whether this means anything to you or whether it was just something that was individually weird of my grandma but she's had this expression in terms of it was about eating your food kids don't want to eat their dinner they don't want to eat their vegetables and her thing was you've got to eat it up and make the skin on your back like velvet anyone ever heard that is that not the weirdest thing make the skin on your back like velvet and I kind of thought I don't really want to be like an otter do you want a velvet back and it's a very strange thing but no that was one of hers now let's do come out with weird phrase my nan from Norris Green used to come up with some really bizarre saying shorter she said she was growing down like Brown's cow if she would look to mess she said she looked like the wreck of the Hesperus I've heard that one it's like a midden in here it's like a midden in here my dad always chats my dad is a chatty person she always calls him kitty the cook chats to everyone there's some great I did have things like you cross because it'll make your hair curly was that real I mean Felainy must love you just must eat crust John Bailey with these fellas thriving on crust Kevin Keegan that fella must have shaved all the bread and just literally had a diet of crust absolutely it'll put hairs on your chest it's just strange isn't it my grandma had many of these and she always used to she used to turn the telly off when it rained because she believed that it could potentially be a risk analytic shock to the electric as soon as it rained she would turn the telly off in the corner she always had she always had a jar of fox's glassiomints at all times was always fox's glassiomints there would that go to a standard just for people coming round could just help themselves to breath maybe maybe halotosis was not something she was like wasn't keen on it to be fair Barry a few people are no and that's it I've got a few questions and we'll finish with these these are just suggestions what we could speak about today and our premier subscribers I've give us a few so Stephen Kelly says what's the strangest present you've all received mine's funny actually Steve it was half a bottle of anal loop hard to use and so what's the strangest Christmas present you've ever received I don't know my brother getting me a really bizarre helicopter a Vietnam war I mean that is bizarre a mini helicopter that would be great though wouldn't it from the Vietnam war like a Huey or whatever they're called a little miniature model out of the blue showing a massive interest in the Vietnam war at that point he's just got me an old mini helicopter from there the thought that counts Dave I knew you were going to say that I can't honestly think of anything you knew Annalie was going to say he got a mini Vietnam war helicopter because if you did you would be better than the person Andy's about to go and interview my mum regularly buys me packs of socks and what not generally multi pack clothing things from Matalan she's big on which I tend to get which actually are quite useful I like to get presents that are a little bit weird I quite often get my brother in Laura calendar but just sort of random stuff like border collies in hats things like that and just things which don't really apply to him whatsoever but amuse me in appropriateness John my nan used to get us big cartons of sigis each for me and my brother six and seven the candy sigis no no no proper facts when we were like 18 or 19 she used to get us a packet up until I was 30 weirdly enough I had hypnotherapy and then had one little hypnosis session that isn't credible well like a proper kind of look into my eyes and I'll ramise was it like Paul McKenna style it was a little bit like that when you come around was that it was there any kind of cold shaky situation or did you literally just not feel like one the guy was really good I had one session I came around, I asked her but I didn't want to smoke anymore okay I'll move on from this I can't I literally can't think of something where I've gone okay that's weird but I remember one thing I've never ever understood I don't know about you two gentlemen but we've all gone past the age of 21 but remember when you were 20 now this might have happened it might not have happened but when I turned 21 lots of people got me those boxers with that like a silver plastic keying that said 21 did you remember them like a gift? no okay maybe it was just stuff here and I found that incredibly strange because what was I supposed to do it was like a I got all this stuff as well but one of the go-to gifts was like a box above this big was it key to the house it was a big key above this big I don't know what was like a plastic silver coated key with 21 key to the house I believe that is a coming of age thing I think I got the key when I was about 11 to be honest it was just modern life though very strange thing for me Glen Watson says do you have any of you have an advent calendar and if not what age is the cut off well I do have one I have a cabri I've got a white dairy not dairy milk what are the dairy white chocolate one I've got we have them we are five of us and I also have a chocolate one which my missus gets us every year we all get one each one a day do you two gentlemen have advent calendars and if so what's the age that you should stop having do you know I mean and actually it's strange because now that you've brought it up what date is it today at the time of recording is it the 6th of December I think it is okay so I've missed the first six days it's only just dawned me just now that A I haven't got one and also B bought my daughter one either which is possibly an oversight I would get one and then she's got six days very quickly of chocolates that's the thing if I went out today later on and got us one each then we would have a little bit of a head start on Christmas I think I'd probably go for if you're going to go for the white chocolate Nestle one then in the interest of balance and other chocolates are available and I would probably go for some brown chocolate cabri's type of products they will be very nice I will have a look later I'll report back actually and in fact you know what and if I do get one I will show you my open doors as it were next week can't wait can't wait I'll send you that loop Andy your shelf yeah I've got a pork scratch-ins I'll stop it there's a company called the snuffling pig I've heard of them they do fancy pork scratch-ins and they have a little pack behind each door so you have a different flavoured pork scratch-ins every day yes these says what time is it appropriate to start having a drink should you want to on Christmas day you see I would say that on Christmas day all rules go out the window with regards to that yeah no genuinely it's because we all know what's socially acceptable in normal life and then there's a few exceptions Christmas day being one the Saturday or Sunday of your friend's stag do is another any kind of lads weekend actually or a festival also all of these normal rules go out of the window but no Christmas day I think you see perfectly respectable people in society who can be there in the kitchen with some glass of something deeply alcoholic 10-15 while making bacon sandwiches and it's sort of alright in fact it's almost you're almost applauded I don't drink really but I would applaud that if I see some a mum or a dad in the kitchen with a hat on on the cooking breakfast and I say you know what you'll get fully into it some fair play and I don't think there are any rules on are you with me Mr Bush yeah I think all rules go out the window including what you wear it goes literally the only rule is there are no rules what a line Glen Watson says can you air fry an entire Christmas dinner turkey stuff and carrots brussel sprouts I feel like we'll pause this one and Ped can answer it next week cos I think are we all still without an air fryer without an air fryer and I think all I'll say on that front and this is something that I still require qualification and clarification from Ped when he returns from Brooklyn is the fact that I'm not fully aware of the difference between air frying and roasting or indeed baking where does roasting finish and baking finish start these are both oven based hot air situations which is also I think the fundamentals of air frying and I don't really know the difference I think that one should be a motion that's put forward to next week and we will discuss in greater detail once we've disciplined Mr Bush absolutely don't forget that and Paul Black and White says is Ped is that his surname is it double barrelled unless you just want to go full my reaction on a song I don't know Paul Black and White that's amazing it's a tremendous name if that is his full name is Ped the new bush that's what Paul wants to know it's not an option without leave it's hard to say isn't it he's missed what too hasn't he I mean he managed to miss the opening episode which is quite divrish but in general he's got out of bed but not happily he's never happy well it has to be honest this is the happiest I've ever seen him because every now I'm playing we do potentially there are potentially choppy waters ahead and I'm not talking about the remainder of evidence season I'm talking about the fact that actually in addition to to the disciplinary sanctions which need to be discussed and then imposed upon Mr Bush we also need to potentially look at a new schedule for recording because what we have been doing and this is probably of no interest whatsoever to anybody watching this out now but we have been going from midday on a Tuesday but that's now becoming increasingly difficult for Bush's showbiz calendar we might have to make it early now here in lies the problem is that Ped doesn't like to get up in the morning before 11 so I don't quite know how this is going to go so in terms of trying to get the full squad and get us all you know Tarkowski and Cody on your ass you know all in the same room week in week out I don't know how that's going to work well we're just going to have to put the pressure on them because literally it's only his own laziness that's stopping him it reminds me of the Alan Partridge episode where Roger Moore is on the M25 and is always on his way towards the episode but never quite gets there that's what Ped reminds me of maybe we remotely buzz them in from his bedroom that'll be interesting but no that is something you are absolutely right once again Mr Vitty that is something that we'll have to go before the board we'll be disgust and we'll have to see if we can come out with a satisfactory outcome I think we're prepared for these kind of challenges I think me and you are very much the staple we are flexible we'll go with it we don't mind putting our fuss in we don't mind putting our fuss in exactly I think so and I think that if we ever do have a toffee tv Christmas lunch I think that you and me are doing the seating plan absolutely and also doing the order this was going to be my next thing but obviously it's very difficult but it would be lovely if you two could have some stage get up here for whatever you should do it that'd be great it would be amazing to all be in the same room and do one of these it'd be hilarious but then obviously to have some food and a drink as well together cos I feel like we should I think we should as well do you think Ped's facial hair will have grown back by then cos I don't know the unsettled by you didn't have to see him in pace and come in without saying a word and literally just sat down so when it was only when I think it might have been you Mr Bush went and gone before no actually it might have been you Dave it might have been you Dave then where you had to address it immediately oh I had to he was the elephant in the room and that's not meant to be rude and I looked and I was like what happened to you? fellas we're going to have to go I've got to take my little four year old into town I'm about to finish but you know you've buttered in so let's finish it now I am the diva stick that on the minutes by the way for the kangaroo recordings absolutely Mr Bush's time to end podcast before I'm just about to everyone loves a happy ending there but no one is premature Andrew thanks David on that note thank you very much for listening we'll be back next week cheers fellas take it easy see you later bye bye


So this morning, we're going to invite him up here to talk about the value of industry standardization in promoting ICT innovation and hopefully you'll say a little bit about why Huawei, you know Decided to become a platinum member of the open group. So please be a good a great open group. Welcome Yeah, okay, that's good Okay, good morning everyone has learned mentioned well first friends Alan to introduce So before I start I would like to ask a very simple question How many of you have heard about Huawei? Okay, more than 50% not bad. Okay. Well before I start I would like to say something Well, it's an honor for me to represent Huawei here Wow, I will be joining the governing board of the open group and most important. I would like to thank you Chris Ford from our open group and make it go as well So without both of them, we didn't know how to go through the process of becoming a platinum member Well, I will say there was a lot of Hack up to be honest during the past six months Internally externally what's the value of Huawei being the platinum member by thing today? We have answered all these questions and that's why I'm standing here and So we see tremendous value and I hope after my 3035 minutes Presentation you will understand why Huawei will be will become the platinum member. So to begin with I have few slides to introduce Huawei so Huawei is a China company. Its headquarter is in Shenzhen fund in 1987 worldwide we have 170,000 head cunts and we operate in 170 plus countries and fortune 500 companies And we are leading global information and communications Technology solutions provider. So Huawei business. So maybe it's not really Not all our business are very active in the US Because of some reasons, but as you can see the major business is carrier The next will be our consumer and actually this ratio will be significantly changed in the first half of 2015 because I just heard that our consumer business colleagues will get one extra bonus Because they have meet their sales target just of the 2015 just by six months of the 2015 So they're doing very good job in this year and the right-hand side you can see the R&D Huawei is an ICT solution provider. We're really serious in the R&D investment spending So over the past ten years is about US dollar 30 billion 30 billion US dollar R&D and It's a it's a significant number So we have R&D center really worldwide and several Officers in the US and Canada as well. So these are these are our company Currently you can say the main focus better Colette countries industries and systems so European Union Horizon 2020 strategy. So Huawei is actively participating China new silk vote strategy. So helping the Middle East Asia other countries on the infrastructures and Industry 4.0. I heard is briefly mentioned yesterday and most important the US 15 trillion US dollar 15 trillion digital economy and I think this is one of the ring easier reason Attract Huawei to become the petal of member. I will say the the whole IT the enterprise architecture the healthcare forum and the IT for IT and Lastly the better connected systems the end-to-end process streamlining. We're really Interest and we would like to contribute in the business architecture activities under the EA So we just pick simply pick two is not all so one of my job is also As Ellen was making jokes to me actually is locked there I actually responsible for the industry development and standards as well So I have you will see a picture later about my life is more than 1520 industry Bodies or SDO standard developing organizations. I need to deal with so you can see the open group. Well, I hope it's correct, okay, so the architecture forum IT for IT I can make open platform And certification and this survey to keep we believe that the certification work group can help our global services to How should I say to be able to speak and work with the IT industries appears very well the Architecture and the IP specialist and on the right hand side you see TM forum TM forum stand for Teddy Management Forum It's a basically it represent while 60% of the 1.8 trillion business in the telecommunication industries So I hope we will make the open group become. I don't know. How was the trillion number we can represent here? As you can see that there's a customer centric at the top Open and partner effectively NFV Network function virtualization and L giant virtualized So my side are very active in the open group and TM forum and when we put them together actually in past six months When we put these two organizations or forums together, we identify that telco guide Okay, how because we are really well one of the leader top two leader in telecom industry and also in the digital business strategy and Customer experience work group. I will introduce later Customer experience, which is well if you're familiar with Forester, they use the term outside in When I talk to many CTO CIO We are we can't be just inside inside or inside out really to be outside in and even garden a koi term Something called outside out as well. That may be the next step of our Contribution or working with and working with other companies at the open group the outside out So let me make a advertisement here. Not commercial. Okay, so there's a Join us at the digital business strategy and customer experience work group discussion Open platform 3.0 for meeting tomorrow morning 9 to 10 30 And this is a work group that we will look at the business strategy to look at the customer experience What kind of experience what kind of outside in is required to make our business can able to be transformed So let me briefly to mention about what when we talk about customer experience. What what do we really mean here? So you can see from the Top left. Okay. It's a kind of the a life cycle I have to say this is mostly Retail it for telecom and we would like to work with health care We would like to work with other industries. Maybe the mining Automobile other industries do we need to customize specific? Customer or user life cycle as you can see from buying using and sharing And after the life cycle what Huawei has been contributing it at the TM forum is the our calculation Without money the world won't the business won't run. So we really look at how should we do the our calculation We defining the CD metrics customer experience metrics So this matrix can enable us to do the our eye so we can go and talk to procurement to the business people And as being mentioned, I'm the founder also the head of the customer experience transformation center. These are our positionings First as engine. So we turn around the mindset, right? We have been talking a lot about B to B or B to B to C Which we don't agree We believe that we should we should change our mindset from C to B to B Which is from consumer from customer to drive the business. Do we really understand the business? I enjoy very much yesterday to participate the The open platform and the it for it But I may be wrong, but I think we still don't have enough focus about who are paying our business and The co-create with operators partners and target measurable business outcomes our focus at our sentence headquarter and in London we are hearing more and more about Not just the telco, but other enterprise as well Talking about customer-centric operating model. What does it really mean? Can we actually do something at the open group? combining the customer aspect and the IT aspect considerations together and Single view of customers and operations. Yesterday. I joined the principal analyst Michelle from Forester I enjoy a lot and most important the business led ICT transformation It's not just ICT transformation. It must be business led and I believe the BA the business architecture We can contribute and we can learn from From the open group and from the other companies as well So in Huawei, we have been researching over well, I will say more than 12 months We come out a simple word Which is rose. What does it really mean? Well, we believe this is an experience principles for all industries real-time and I will explain what does it really mean later on demand online DIY and so-so and again yesterday I was in the Presentation bar from entity data. I really I really inspired by by by the presenters about the Company so so what does it really mean? So the Huawei initiative? I think this is one of our interests is to push forward a global study on the rose experience requirements for consumers for workers and a work sorry workforce and partners and also internal things and objects as well I'm not sure how You all familiar with the telecom industry. So now we are in the 4g LTD and a lot of people are talking about 5g So how this 5g will be interact or related to our IT or from the experience perspective I will I'm going to give an example really interesting that when we work with Car manufacturers, there is what they're asking us to look into So in case for objects its object objects experience for 4g With the latency with the we are talking about it will take 1.4 meter to stop a car running at 100 kilometer per hour But at 5g that will be 2.8 centimeters So there's a good reason that for automobile industry to Require that kind of real-time requirements and also for when we discussed with a CIO of a Well about customer services So they have been arguing about what is real-time? What kind of real-time is required? So when a customer call into a call center Well, does the operator really know what is going on or talking about the technology real-time? One minute one second one minute second So this kind of real-time definition or experienced definitions needs to tie back to the business context Business needs to drive the technology requirements So let's go to the board level talking about what how the company board are evaluating their executive performance So this is a there's a change of Seriously, you can see that 25% is talking about lap promote a score if you are not aware What is that promoter called score is a way to measure loyalty Erocy, okay, will you recommend the open group to your colleagues or to your competitors? Okay, whatever And 75% will be measuring Financials you better and all this and we are seeing a change here. We are seeing a change of the rating of the Customer aspects the map for lap promote a score branding and other customer measures Increase from 25 to 40% So what I really want to say is in the in our cuss in our industry our cost Huawei customer we observe that the board are actually you were Evaluating not simply financials, but also the happiness The satisfaction the loyalty of their end customers as well And we have observed while in China like ping-pong financials Vodafone in Europe air China and Enterprise as well, okay So I talk a lot see customer experience. You may ask Trevor. Are you at the wrong forum? Why you talk about customer experience for so long? There's a good reason because of this lie We talk about customer experience, but we need to implement we need to talk to the IT or I ICT Chronics So this is really to bridge the gap We would like to combine customer experience and enterprise architecture in a way that we are defined We are developing or defining an architecture For considering experience aspect as well as you can see Thinking from the customer experience the customer leads the strategy. What kind of metrics then they co-responding EA lead to Deliver the business outcome Align the business strategy business model and other other items as well We already having several projects What should I say practicing? These methodologies with operators. We identify we already seeing that and to be fair Why we are so eager to become practical member is in many way in in we are We I we observe that We observe that many companies start to have an architect coming to talk to us They want us to look into the telco The industries and the bios How all this work together? And this is a diagram very interesting. We when we work with Gartner So from the from the top left the strategy conceptual contextual and all the way to physical Realize that we have been west a lot people in solution architecture Designer which are building one solution but now with the With the digital transformations Well, uh, uh, most of the endless firm talk about well like idc mit gartner forrester, right more or less everybody use the five things the Cloud big data social mobile and objects or internet things. So we've all these destructive technology coming It's right time for the industry to relook at What is the positioning of the enterprise architecture? in the from the operational aspects point of view so we believe that Each line of business they will have their business direction panning And then there will be enterprise architecture real points. What can be done? What can't be done the components or whatever and then the application strategy? in telco in telecom industry, we believe that there's a lots of things leads to be Uh, we develop or we invest But we need to have a good architecture real points to work with the sea level so I just talked about c e customer experience and enterprise architecture Is it enough? No, that's why we come here because we know that well like toga of All these are quite mature and there's a there's a very good ecosystems And there's lots of partitioners in the industry, but we we realize that it's still not enough So we are really clean to learn and contribute About this. Uh, well on the all new it management On the it for it. How we really bring the toga of uh, uh, uh, Elgeau project management and ito together which To uh, we start to understand. I really enjoy yesterday. Uh, I'm not I think Last is not here. Yeah, I think I think we really enjoy when we discuss with uh last from hp very open Direct discussion about the knowledge the understanding of the it for it. We really appreciate the environment the open group can offer to us And I I specifically highlight User is the law of star Therefore start with it use cases And I can't really read below what I see that something about customer This is perfectly aligned with what I've been driving in huawei global services in paths five years User centric customer centric using use cases to build The corresponding solution Somehow when we saw these two slides, we just feel like We are finding a we find a bother. We lost something like 10 years ago. Okay. This is the kind of feeling Yeah, I feel I feel bad that actually I I should represent huawei or I should influence our executives To be patlum member of the open group three or four or five years earlier. So we could Pay The Our regeneration of the it or of the id for it much earlier, but it's still not too late I I we realize that if from yesterday forum discussion, there's still a lot of thing huawei can participate so we talk about Partnerships Let me think about how should I tell you about this project? We are I'm I'm also the exactly sponsor of this as well So we are working with SAP So we believe that well, again, it can't be inside in It should be outside in and thinking from customer experience and finding from business perspective So there's a initiative. Uh, I was invited to orlando this year, uh for the To to attend the SAP user group meeting. I was quite inspired by the SAP idea by the founder actually professor HP uh But when we defined how can we actually read how can we provide a real-time information environment? for company executives To be able to know what he what they should do with their business The instant decision That kind of environment is can be provided And you can see at the right hand side the pictures july 2015 So we had a design thinking workshop So the reason I put up this lie is uh, we are very much work with many companies And we apply the industry practice like design thinking So after this after my presentation, as I said, I really would like to work with other companies other industries in the experience definitions And also the um the working group tomorrow morning From 9 to 10 30, please join us and we can drive the industry forward So this is the slide, which is my like mayor every day every night So you saw I mentioned about TM forum and the open group, but in fact I had to look at much bigger industry ecosystems So we are seeing a lot of destructive forces destructive force So you can see like the internet of things um network function virtualization 5g So this is a good location We we are handling so many technologies coming out But how can we put them together? How can we manage them become a business? This is the challenge and we believe that the enterprise architecture the it for it Can pay a key role at the center of all these technologies And as I mentioned We are the business standards And we understand the well the enterprise architectures the business data application technology But most important is let's move back to talk about business The measurable business outcome the business capabilities This is something we would like to talk more with other industries How can we telco or ICT whatever other industries to define the necessary capabilities? And this is my last slide in summary Contribute telco ICT and cm knowledge. This is what we will like to bring on to the table Commits in the ea ba it for it Open platform security forums Uh, well and form Huawei security has been has been very active at the TM for at the open group Define rose experience Our course all industries because you guys did connectivity You you we need to define real time and I learned something very good yesterday from entity data about so-so And lastly ICT innovation For business transformation With partners as I show an example with SAP and we would like to work with others and you all right here So thank you very much. Let's building a better connected world. Thank you. That's all I have Yeah, we'll just take these two seats So um, what we're going to do now is get Chris forward to ask some questions and you know, Chris is the VP of architecture and also of the asia-pacific region And while we're doing while chris is getting ready. We should give a shout out to Maggie gow as well as work tirelessly on This and and other things in in in china So chris you got the questions yes, um the first question is Trevor what level of commitment is there to these transformation initiatives inside Huawei? Wow, this is a really good question This really let me express my pain every day. Okay, so actually this This initiative here is all the way to our rotating co Our rotating our rotating co already believed that The whole architecture needs to be well the architecture needs to be evolved and we need a lots of real technique and practice to be Let me think the proper word to be absorbed or picked up by the company by Huawei and also the our customers in telco and energy and mining industries as well And to my I'm under global services and my president Actually, he is the executive sponsor and actually he is the person to sign off to check Okay, so uh today we have how many of us here I think six seven of us from Huawei So we have uh people EA certified With togov as well. So I will say in thoughts We are serious. We fully commit and this initiative is lost from global services But also from our Huawei internal business process and IT department as well Yeah, yeah, and on that subject, um Huawei has been a a user internally of toga for some time. Yes. Yeah so after all this Because now is at the really senior level at Huawei to drive this forward. So they expect updates So that's what they think of me. Okay, so in my my my president is a very simple person He was the cfo of Huawei So he always tells me driver doesn't matter. You come for one million. You just give me back 100 million. Then it's fine He's a finance guy easy. Yeah Understand that so in terms of the level of commitment, what kind of time frame is Huawei looking for to undertake these transformation activities? What what's your time scale for these kinds of activities? Wow, these questions. I'm honest with you. I I'm trying to figure it out here. Okay I have a team participating Participate in the Madrid and other colleagues from other departments as well But I will be looking at something just out of my head at this moment. I'm looking at in two years Huawei must be able to transform the skills at the knowledge the way we want our business The reason I put up the very compact diagram on nfv iot 5g Because we realize that when we get into 5g We must be transformed if we haven't transformed that we will be transformed by the industry So it's bad. So we better transform ourselves by our own pace Okay, okay, uh, the next question is uh Customer experience includes confidence and personal data privacy. So personally identifiable information this sort of thing, right? Are uh, uh, is Huawei involved or committed to protect data through privacy by design initiatives Is that a component of your strategies? Yes, of course Actually, we work. Well, I don't know about usi america side, but in europe side, germany has the Toughest privacy law and we are doing business in germany now. Okay, so definitely yes And uh, this is we call it a wet light. We can level costs in Huawei So what you're doing in the open group is very much a global standards activity Um, will you also be active with us in china for local? Membership activity as well. Yes. Well, there's a forum in september, right? So I've been discussing with chris and mackey as well for sure. Yes, cool We will work with others and also we are very active in the customer experience management space in china as well I think this is one of the value for huawei to be in china. So we can bring in that Ecosystem, yeah with the open group. Yeah, we're really pleased about the growing footprint that the young group has in china Looking forward to growing that. Yeah. So for your information, china is about Less than 30% More than 25% any revenue of huawei.  Yes, as I said our Consumer business unit colleagues are very happy to get a another boneless check this month. It's like number three in the world Yes, I think so after apple and samsung now. Yeah, I didn't believe it as well So there's a related question uh to the privacy one. How do you manage, uh, I don't think this means you personally But how does huawei manage uh information as part of the customer experience? How do you reach the balance between Non-disclosure and reaching customers needs in terms of information. Yeah, actually it's very simple to us because We deal with a lot of business still the carrier business We will work with the local operators like voodafone or t-mobile to follow their government or while their group Pifex e requirements. I can give you an example like Germany. Basically, we cannot store the data Okay, so they have to fool a or in the uk. They have to go for a Commercial agreement which is opt in similarly in the u.s So when people opt in certain information or data, then we can access so to us It's very simple again We follow the local government and regulation policies and what with the local operators and enterprise Yeah Okay, I was actually having a conversation Yesterday at the pavilion event with a couple of members and we were talking about the kind of mega mega trends type of thing of The nature of the change the technology availability and emerging markets like in the african sub african continent is is driving can Huawei's presence An investment in that continent is significant. Can you comment on the kinds of changes you perceive to be possible in the african continent with the with the direction that you're taking here I personally have direct business with the mtn and orange and the business over there I think actually in terms of the I will say they are looking for a centralized operating model And also a customer-centric operating model So that's why I mentioned about our uk ctc Can we actually Think about with the architecture with the it for it Thinking more from the customer thinking more from the business perspective to design I understand well by model it to speed it all these buts worse. Okay already or Or concept already incorporate But I I need to look into more the african market actually There's a there we we observe there's some very innovative or business business people But they need a more centralized. They need a more the the architecture especially the The application strategy leads to be centralized for a small group of people and it's not ready yet It's still very much Skate around the the the smart people the young the millennium generation doesn't have the system to in a way yet And and this is why I'm thinking what I can say what I can't say that's why So I think this is why we we we come here and we would like to think about a way Not just for the europe middle east, but also as you said latin america and african market as well Okay So one of the things that people may not know is that as well as enterprise architecture and integration song Huawei has been very active in the open trusted technology forum here And you know a leader in that and we were talking about cyber security yesterday And I think Huawei is leading some of that activity in the open group already Yes, I will pass to while andy. I think he is representing from our us Security office. Yeah And as I discussed with him Lexis we need to work across with other business units as well Okay, we feel Huawei to embrace and really execute. Yeah, okay Can you give the final plug for the work group? Oh, the working group tomorrow Oh, uh, well again, um The rose is our while the experience principle We have been discussing with many companies and and consumers And we hope that we would like other companies To participate and then we can come out a Working plan together. So I will say two three months ago. We had several conference call. We have many A few more than 20 Disciplines on the call, but I hope that while now we get we are here We can talk face-to-face and let's draw a pen together. Yes, Ellen. Well, thank you very much. Thank you. Okay. Thank you