It's time for God's kingdom to come and you are called to be part of it.  Again, I'm here with Tom and Amanda and we just have an incredible guest that's coming up, Tom, tell us about him. Oh yes, Peter Diaruda from New York School of Urban Ministry is gonna be with us. Nice, it's called.  How can I do something? How can I see my family safe? How can I see my church explode with new Christians coming in? And Peter's gonna talk about that. He's ministered in a tough city, tough but open to the gospel in New York and he's seen many people come to the Lord. He's gonna tell us about their ministry and about more than that, maybe you won't go to New York, but you might go across the street and share the gospel with your neighbor. Peter's gonna help you to do that. It's gonna be great. You know, I did have the opportunity to actually go to Niceum quite a few years ago, but it was a beautiful time to see how their ministry is impacting that city for the glory of God. And I just have to say one more thing, we went and visited our family, our son from the Air Force's home and this first thing my dad said when we got to their houses, hey, come up here and look at this. And he had to show me that Cornerstone Television is on Roku and we are up and running. You know, great audio, great videos, so kudos to whoever was working on that, but all of our Roku watchers are very happy. For those of you who maybe had seen us on Roku, including my wife, we were down for a while, like three weeks or more and praise God, thanks to Steve and Lee and Michael and everyone who got us back up and running. Yeah, we are so glad for our Roku family. So maybe you're watching us on Roku or wherever you're watching us from in Pittsburgh, Alabama, Florida, California, all around the world, we love that you are part of our Cornerstone family and you know, speaking of our Cornerstone family, yesterday, Tom and I and a bunch of us from Cornerstone had the opportunity to celebrate one of our own Pastor Jay Anthony Gilbert and his wife, Tiffany Gilbert. They have a pregnancy center that's here in the city section of East Liberty called Voices for the Unborn in East Liberty. So it was just a beautiful event of just people coming together and really rallying behind them. And you know, it was, Tom, it was just truly incredible. I think it's just a beautiful thing to see the body of Christ that come together. Amy and Pastor Brock, they were the emcees there. It was like a whole, it was a whole family reunion. I felt like that we were there. Just, Sydney, when they introduced that young woman with her baby that had been saved through the East Liberty, it's called East Liberty Women's Care Center. And they're one block down from Planned Parenthood and God is doing amazing things through them.  Yeah, and we're so glad that when you support Cornerstone, that a portion we take all the time, but 10% is that we give to local ministries here in Pittsburgh, like the Pittsburgh Dream Center, the Pregnancy Center and around the nation and the world. So your giving matters, your giving is changing lives. And you know, we are just so thankful for your partnership. All right, so now we need all of you to be praying for us because you know what time it is, time for something to host. Alrighty, Diddy, here's the first one. Which prophet saw a valley of bones come alive? Ezekiel. The knee bone connected to the thigh bone. Yes, Ezekiel, right? Ezekiel, Ezekiel, okay, all right. So that's Ezekiel 37.1 through 14. And guess what? I had just recently read that. So I was like, I know that one. All right, very good. All right, so here's the next one now. Come on, play along with us here. The author of which letter addresses the letter to the chosen lady and her children? The author of which letter? Which the author of which letter? Which letter addresses the letter to the chosen lady and her children? Definitely New Testament. Yeah, but I'm drawing a blank on it. Is it in her children? Oh, Jesus help us. On Amanda. Revelation. I don't know, when I think of a lady and her children, I think of Eunice Lois and then Timothy, but I think that's it. You wanna say Timothy? You wanna say first Timothy? We can try. That doesn't sound right to me. Timothy, right first Timothy. In fact, I'm just like, maybe it's Old Testament. I don't know what letter this is. All right, say something here. Shoot first. We're gonna say first Timothy. We're gonna go with Amanda's answer first, Timothy. No. Second John. Oh, well. Yikes. There's a lot of Johns in there. You don't know which one it is. Sorry. We need to get back and read second John. I'm like, wait a minute. Who's the chosen lady and her children? All right, here's a third question. Hopefully we can redeem ourselves somewhat. Okay, which book is this first found in? The Joy of the Lord is your strength. Oh, Kidoke, Psalms. I'm gonna go with Psalms. I think it is Psalms. It's like, it's a joy, but eight, 10. I think it's the joy of the Lord is your strength. Isn't it Zephaniah? Zechara. Eight, 10. I thought it's Psalms. I don't know. Okay, go ahead. Let's go with Psalms. Yeah, we are at the end. No, we got, it's a Psalms. I had the wrong book, but I had the wrong book, but I had the right chapter and right, it's a Psalms too. Wait a minute, can we do some background checking because I swear in Psalms it does say the joy of the Lord is your strength, and they probably quoted it from the book of Psalms. I'm serious. I wanna do some back checking. 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Find air times for a turning point with Dr. David Jeremiah at ctvn.org. Donate and request his book forward. Thank you for your partnership with Cornerstone TV. Well, our next guest is an ordained minister in New York City where he has served as an urban missionary for the past 30 years with the New York School of Urban Ministry, NISM. You'll hear us refer to it as NISM. Reverend Peter Deiruta has been very instrumental in bringing vision and challenge to city churches and in mobilizing the body of Christ for urban ministry. He joins us now to share about his ministry and how he's witnessed lives transform and to share how you too can make a difference by getting involved in an outreach. Peter, welcome to Hope Today. Thank you, Tom. Good to be here. Thank you so much. Well, I just want to hear. I've spent a lot of time in your neighborhood back in another lifetime doing ministry, but tell us about the New York School of Urban Ministry. Well, again, thanks for allowing us to be here today. NISM, New York School of Urban Ministry was founded in 1984, about 40 years ago with the whole purpose of raising up a new generation of what we call compassion commandos to influence and invade the city. You know, we have different ideas about the city. It's the hood, it's drugs, it's concrete, it's crime, but Paul the Apostle said in Corinthians, ye are my joy. And that's where Jesus went to the city. In fact, it was so cosmopolitan where Jesus died, King of the Jews was written in three different languages. So he was born in a city, he lived in a city, he died in a city, and God's called us to invade the city and see people's lives transformed by the power of God. But it's scary. Come on now, it's scary. The first time I went to Brooklyn to do ministry, I was like, what am I doing here? You know, a little guy from Pennsylvania. But what I found out is people are open once you share that tough New Yorker exterior kind of opens, doesn't it? That's right, don't be a snowflake for Jesus, okay? You know, Paul said in Romans 10, 17, faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. You don't have to have a PhD, you don't have to have a seminary degree Bible. God is just looking for someone to be available and open so that we can be used of God as a conduit of his anointing, of his power. There were people in New York City, I'm not from New York, I was born in Massachusetts. My wife and I came to the city 36 years ago, we heard God call. Actually, I was doing evangelistic work and I was in Times Square and I just felt the Lord stirring in our hearts. And so we went out with a nice team and I lifted up, opened my Bible and just began to preach and 50 pigeons dropped scud missiles on my body. That was the urban holy ghost telling me to come. But God gave me a verse from Isaiah 61. We know the spirit of God is upon me, but in verse four it says, and they shall repair the waste places, the desolations of many generations. And it's the anointing of God flowing through us to be the hands, the feet, the heart of Jesus that we can invade and reclaim the city for Jesus Christ. Yeah, absolutely. So I'm just curious a little bit about your testimony and your story of how God really like launched you and called you into this. Well, I was traveling and doing ministry and I was, God was using us, but I didn't wanna see the saved, saved and the blessed, blessed. How can God take my life, which I'm not saying I'm any better than anybody else. I mean, when I was a kid, my parents went to the principal because they were gonna keep me back from the third grade. And they said, well, he's got learning disorders. That's why some people still believe I have learning disorders, but I pray for them, pray for all sinners. And so they took me to Boston Children's Hospital. Bottom line, the clinical psychologist said, you've got a nice son, but he's gotta be nothing. He's got a good amount to nothing. He's zero, nothing. And we heard about a church in Massachusetts and our whole family went down and gave our lives to Jesus Christ. And then God touched my mind and my life and graduated with honors, went to college, went to Bible school, graduated from Eland Bible College, then Houghton College, now the president of this ministry that we're reaching and network with over a hundred different pastors and churches in the hood. I mean, these are pastors in the inner city. And we're just so humbled that God would just use us as an empty vessel. And I would just say to people that are watching right now, God is speaking to you today and you're wondering, well, how could God use my life? Well, look at all of us. We're sinners only saved by the grace of God. Amen. Talk to us about the importance of when we go to approach someone or minister to them. This is something that I remember when we visited up at NISOM. But talk to our viewing audience about the importance of that first interaction. The key is, thank you, Amanda. The key, and it was so great to have you at our campus. God blessed us with a 74,000 square foot hospital building. We're able to train somewhere between three and 4,000. People come through our ministry every year. We do block parties, street meetings, outreach. We have a food truck on the road now, commercial. It's all booked up and we minister in the city via the local church. We are committed to pastors and churches. For your question, just be real. Just be who God wired you and I to be. It's not a handout, it's a handout. Just talking to people, how are you today? God bless you. We had some ladies years ago come from Mobile, Alabama. 50 women, how about that, led by two men. God bless those men. And they came and they left on Thursday. They wanted to get to the city early, to do shopping, there's a shopping anointing. Did you know that? I didn't know that. And so they left at 5 a.m. in the morning and the next, they got stranded at Boston Logan Airport, Nor'easter, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, they got to our ministry at three o'clock the next morning. We picked them up from JFK. We got them up for breakfast, had a training session with myself and we sent them out to the Staten Island ferry. And these 50 year old women, they were out of their comfort zone, it snowed that night. So anybody south of the Mason-Dixon line, rigor mortis is gonna start coming in. And these ladies came running back into our campus and they said, pastor, you gotta hear what God did. I said what? Because their assignment was minister to just normal commuters on the Staten Island ferries from Battery Park back and forth to Staten Island. So they're on the back of the boat, they're listening to our training and they're just standing there and for 60 seconds, they just began to pray just silently. Holy Spirit, lead me to the person you want us to talk to. And 60 seconds later, the Holy Spirit downloads and says to these girls, go minister to this young lady. They look like just one of these young ladies here and these people from the south and they say, you know, honey, it's cold on the outside but it's warm on the inside. And this was at 1030 in the morning in January on the Staten Island ferry, snow, rain, sleet, everything freezing to death. And all of a sudden this woman says, you don't understand what I'm facing. And they said, honey, what seems to be the problem? I'm on this boat, I'm pregnant with my boyfriend's baby. I don't know what to do. He wants me to get an abortion. I'm in total torment.  And after an hour and a half of just these ladies pouring in the love and the compassion of Jesus, she gave her life to Jesus. She says, I'm gonna keep my baby and I'm gonna get rid of that bum of a boyfriend. I mean, that's only Jesus. And so these are stories that are replicated over and over would love for you to come to New York. But if you can't come to New York, you can pray. You can be the hands and feet and heart of Jesus. You could just give a cup of cold. Jesus, didn't Jesus say give a cup of cold water in my name, acts of love and kindness. And even James says, he says, phase without works is that I will show you my faith by my works. Works can't save us, but when we give our lives to Jesus Christ, how can we not give back to God and let us demonstrate the love of Jesus to hurting people today. Thank you. This is a powerful what you're sharing, Peter, just like those moments and what's just been happening over and over again in your ministry. And one thing, can you just even speak to some of the complexities and some of the interesting things when it comes to inner city ministry, because I'm part of an urban ministry and it is different than some of the things that the realities that you're facing day to day that are really important and dire. Right, we just say getting a parking space in New York City is spiritual warfare. Yeah, yeah. Just getting out of a nice and parking lot, spiritual warfare. To answer that question, we had an invitation from a church in the Bronx about 10 years ago.  I said, send us the invitation. I get the invitation, open it up, come to our 10 year celebration. And they said, the theme is we are still here. And in this city, all the forces are against you. Property value is over a million dollars. The city of New York, God bless them. They're always dreaming up some of the code and this and that.  You just leave the rest to Jesus and understand that in the city ministry, it's gotta take not days but years. And if you understand that at the get go, it takes the pressure off because we in the church, we want everything instantaneously now. It's gotta happen. And our ministry is turning 40 years next year. And we just say, we're just getting started. We're coming out of the wilderness, right? So I think that we have to, as urban leaders, as urban workers, you just need to know, I say there's two calls you need, one call to the city or to the nation, God has called you to. And another call is to keep you every day and that's personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Well, let me ask you about that. We've talked about some of the things that people struggle with, fear or the pressure feeling like it's all on them and it's not, it's the Holy Spirit. But for someone who's watching, how should they approach the Great Commission? We've all been called, how do they start? Where do they do? Obviously, they can come and do some training with a place like Nicem or go to Nicem. But what else can they do right now, today, to touch a life? Well, what does Ezekiel 2230 say? I sought for a man among them who would stand in the gap, who would build up the hedge that I would not destroy the land. And as we just began to ask the Lord, God, how can we reach the community, the city of New York? And we began to pray, there's so many needs and it's just beyond comprehension. But you have to focus on just one thing. David said, one thing have I desired. So maybe it's homeless people, maybe it's incarcerated people, maybe it's veterans that we're reaching out right now. Seven just got saved about a week ago. Now they wanna get baptized. We in the church, we say, we're the child of God, we're not the tail, we're the head, we're the apples of God's eye. We got the Holy Ghost and everything. We go out in the streets like, oh my God, we're intimidated. So I think what we need to do is the word says in Job, start out small and just begin to ask the Holy Spirit, what is God speaking to you, burdening you? We have people that just started out with peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, maybe blankets, maybe a hygiene kit, maybe fine. We have people that the church doesn't even have any money. A person in the church in the city felt the burden of God. They got their station wagon, their minivan, they're making food in their house, putting some stuff together.  Maybe give him a gospel track. Give him information about your church and your ministry. Not that you're looking for members, but you wanna have that divine connection. Another thing I wanna get back to before we break and that is when you're in this city, it seems like you're all alone. And you need to partner with other ministries. It doesn't matter the denomination. Can I get an amen here? It matters that we're in the foxholes, we're in the trenches, we're brothers and sisters, black, white, Hispanic, all different denominations. And the focus is not on our brand, not on our ministry. Let the focus be on Jesus. He said, if I be lifted up, I'll get all the glory. And so that's our focus and that's what we do. And my wife and I served here in Pittsburgh for about two years and we were married. Tomorrow is our 42nd anniversary. We were married tomorrow in Pittsburgh. But we'd love to have, we have a lot of churches from the Pittsburgh area and also Pennsylvania come to our ministry for training. And our whole purpose at NISM is not just people coming and minister in New York. So they learn it at our school of ministry and they bring it back to their local church and their local community. That's tremendous. Give us your website. Okay, it's N-Y-S-U-M dot O-R-G, NISM dot org, we're happy to host you. And we'll have a link to NISM's website on our website. Peter, we're gonna keep you around for a little time of ministry here, but thank you so much for sharing that story. Wonderful, wonderful, thank you. Amen, we're gonna go to the word because we need the word and you know, the joy of the Lord is our strength and that comes from Nehemiah 810 in case you all didn't get that either. We were so close yet so far away, but we're gonna go to the book of Luke right now. We wanna look into chapter five. We're gonna start with verse four and just read through 11. We're gonna skip a few though. It says, he said to Simon, launch out into the deep and let down your nets for a catch. But Simon answered and said to him, Master, we have toiled all night and caught nothing. Nevertheless, at your word, I will let down the net. And when they had done this, they caught a great number of fish. When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus' knees saying, depart from me for I am a sinful man, oh Lord. And Jesus said to Simon, do not be afraid. From now on, you will catch men. So when they had brought their boats to land, they forsook all and followed him. That is full and I want you to preach on it. We got just a little bit of time, but give it to us. Well, that's a favorite scripture of mine and passage. And I title that, I have a message that I even shared yesterday. Launch out, let go and let God. That's what it's all about. Launch out, let go and let God. And here is Peter, he's got a master's degree, a PhD in fishing, and the Lord comes to Peter. You know, I love about the Lord because in the early verses, it says that he saw that the fishermen were out of their boats. They were washing their nets. We need to be washed with the blood of Jesus, amen. Washed of preconceived ideas. We have God in a box. And so then the Lord steps into Simon Peter's boat and then he says, Peter, he says, could you thrust out a little?  Remember, David, he didn't kill Goliath right away. He took down a lion and he took down a bear. It took, so God is in the way of processing, building our faith and God's a gentleman and he understands our frailty. So could you thrust out just a little bit? Would you just trust me? Maybe there's somebody here today wondering, what should I do? Just thrust out a little bit because it's not the focus is not your boat, the size of the boat.  It's messed up. It's not like a cruise ship. Listen, cruise ships have parties, but boats catch fish. And that's what God's called us to do. The church is not supposed to be a carnival. It's supposed to be a fishing vessel. And so he says, okay, Simon, could you launch out into the deep? And God wants us to go deeper in him.  You like the safe zone. I'm called you to the risk zone. And when you launch out into the deep, Jesus is in that boat. And I love Peter, he's so professional. You know, when the Lord says, launch out into the deep, well master, he doesn't say Jesus. He doesn't say Lord. He gets a little spiritual, well master. And that's how we get, we tried to sort of maybe negotiate this thing. And he says, but nevertheless, at your word, oh, at your word, we just need a fresh word. And this is a fresh word for you. God says, just let go, let God do it. He says, we've toiled all night. There is so many, that's the ploy of the enemy. For us, even in ministry to toil, to try and this and that, people come to our campus, some pastors, and they say, the 74,000 square foot, how did you get that? And they say the first thing some pastors say, what is your business plan? It's not even in the Bible, business plan. You know what, I get on my hands and knees, I say, it's called neology brother. It's just Jesus.  And the last verse says, and they forsook all and followed Him. I don't know, I've just said a fresh today, Lord. I'm just forsaking what Peter Deeruda could do or Nicem could do. God, what do you want to do with my life? And that's where the miracle takes place. That was like, that was beautiful. I could listen to you all day, just speak. You're true kind. No, serious, I love it. Can you just say like the three things you said? Launch out. Launch out, let go and let God. Launch out, let go and let God. God, right. Wow, launch out. That's your call today to let go and to let God. And as we are coming to a close on hope today, we just pray that you would take these words to heart that you would surrender all today and give what's in your hand and give it to Jesus. Just give it to Jesus and watch how he's gonna multiply.  There is a whole broken world that is waiting on you to be a witness for Jesus. We love you. We hope you have a great day. We'll see you tomorrow. On tomorrow's hope today, uplifting others with songs about faith, hope and love. Cody Clark and Jared Moffitt of acclaimed acoustic pop duo After Grace discussed their latest single and how it's meant to encourage others dealing with grief and loss. That's tomorrow on hope today. 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Extracting the signal from the noise, it's theCUBE, covering VMworld 2015. Brought to you by VMware and its ecosystem sponsors. And now your host, John Furrier. Okay, welcome back everyone. We are live in San Francisco, Musconi North for VMworld 2015. This is Silicon Angles theCUBE, our flagship program where we go out to the events and extract the signal from the noise. I'm John Furrier. We're here in the director's set. We've got two sets going on, live broadcast and acquiring all that data, sharing that with you. Our next guest is famous venture capitalist, Jerry Chen, did the Docker investment. Was the first to see the mega trend of containers. Former VMware employee, cloud guy, technologist. Welcome back to theCUBE. theCUBE regular. Cube alumni. We have a Hall of Fame. You're on the ballot first year. Yeah, and ballot Hall of Famer. Yeah, I'm not retired yet, so thank you. Welcome back. Thanks. I'd like to kid you, your first investment was Docker. And you know, does he have the sophomore jinx? It was my kind of, you know, poking fun at you. Thanks. Congratulations again on all the success. We love Docker, Ben and the team, phenomenal, great people. Doing great stuff. Again, not being too, you know, aggressive on the business model yet. I get that, no problem. The growth is continuing to flower up. So give us an update on the Docker and this impact. Sure. And talk, get some color on how much of this success you saw and didn't see. What was, what was, what's, what's the outcome now in your mind or how looking back at where you are now? Well, let's split it up. There's the company, there's the technology and we'll talk a little bit of both. And I think like all technology trends, it takes a while to create an impact, but when it tips and it changed the industry. And like you said, I was at VMware for almost a decade and saw how that was growing, growing, growing. And then became this huge standard that kind of shifted the entire industry. I think we're seeing now a Docker's the same kind of trend and influence on technology, but five times faster than the ramp up that VMware had. So the exciting thing is, is Docker's really a pioneering, a new way to think about applications and application deployment. So just like VMware rethought about infrastructure towards networking, Docker's now saying, okay, what's the right unit for the cloud? What's the right kind of atomic unit? And it's really changed how you think about building applications. So talk about what this has enabled, because you're one of the things that we, I think, did you know on theCUBE and Wikibon, we look at this all the time and we're trying to kind of read the tea leaves and also put the story together. It seems that Docker has done more than that. It seems that Docker has enabled the revolution of what I call modern day app workflow, whatever, I don't even have a name for it. But back in the mini computer days, you saw SAP, you saw Oracle, big ERP rollouts. It powered an ecosystem of consultants and projects and essentially workflow. So now with developers, we're seeing a real monetization happening at the application level under the hope that the infrastructure's invisible, right? So, I mean, oh, look at OpenStack, fumbling its way through how hard it is to deploy infrastructure, yet the app pressure to build is still hot. Correct. Well, look, two things. At the highest level, cloud and mobile changes everything because that's forcing and building new apps, right? But then you think, okay, we need to build a new cloud and mobile apps. What's the best way to do that? And Docker's really enabling this ability to build new applications faster. And when I think about entrepreneurship or on Docker, there's really a tooth question you to ask. Is A, when you move to Docker, move to containers, what breaks, what changes? And so there's a whole ecosystem trying to fix the old to work in the Docker ecosystem. But more exciting is when you move to Docker, when you move to containers, what can you now do differently or better? So how does security work better in Docker? How does networking work better in Docker? How does app deployment work better in Docker? Or you can say like, oh, what breaks? Around storage breaks on Docker? What around compliance breaks with Docker? And so if you think about those two angles, what changes or what can you do differently? And as entrepreneurs, it's an exciting time because you kind of pick and choose how you want to play and there's plenty of companies to be created. And the growth in the market on the deployment side is there, as I mentioned. So let's talk about what breaks and what kind of changes. Hybrid cloud, big buzzword, but really cloud native is probably taking the place of Docker and Kubernetes is probably the most overused buzzword.  And then, but let's talk about that. You're born in Canada, are you cloud native? Cloud native is a great term, but let's talk about cloud native. So you have to hype the web scale guys. You know, Yahoo, Google, Facebook. These guys have been living DevOps from day one. And then you have the emerging startups, Box, Dropbox, you name those coming Netflix. They're cloud native because they're born in the cloud. Then you got everybody else, the legacy. How do you guys see that evolving and when you guys have the board meeting in Docker, because you have people who want to go faster but have that legacy, they don't have that clean sheet of paper. Yeah, I think, I mean, it's such an interesting thing to say cloud native because we're dealing with the generation of college grads and engineers and developers and companies that like you started born in the cloud. They've never been inside a data center. They never racked the server or set up a sand. And when you think about what changes, if you don't even know what a physical switch is, that's cloud native. And when you kind of put yourself in those shoes, that's a huge paradigm shift. So now you're looking at your, I don't know, what's right now as an immigrant to the cloud, right? They're looking for the passport to the cloud and your ticket. But you probably don't want to be a, unless you want to move to the cloud is one option and you want to go for an on-premise community cloud or this concept of like this hybrid cloud. I think a lot of noise is lost in that word hybrid because it implies that you want to move apps back and forth or some workload spread. And I think what we're seeing with most enterprise is there's a category of applications that'll probably never go to the cloud. That's fine. But there's a category of applications or building that are cloud native. They're built first for the cloud on the cloud. And mistake one was trying to build new apps with old tools, right? That was a fail. And what happened, Docker and these new technologies came around like MongoDB, new storage, new databases, like Redis for cloud native apps. Second paradigm is okay. I built new stuff in cloud with new technologies. That's the right answer, right? The fail was old technologies. Number two is got a existing app. I want to move to cloud. What do I do? Do I rebuild it right from scratch? And there's advantages to doing that. And sometimes some apps you should rebuild. Do you wrap it up in a VM or a container to kind of just lift and shift it to the cloud? Be it polycloud cloud or private cloud? And then the third is what category applications probably don't go to the cloud right now or shouldn't end in your future? And how do I leave it on premise, secure it, give me some of the agility and some of the goodness I get around the cloud but with my legacy technology? What do you think about hybrid cloud? What should it take on that? I mean, I asked every guest this past week since OpenStack and LinuxCon last week or two weeks ago, does hybrid cloud exist? Is it an outcome? Is it a product?   Is it the tooling? What is? You know, you don't get the right answer, you don't ask the right question. And I think the right question is, what is the right definition of hybrid cloud? And if you ask any of your guests or any 10 folks attending here, you'll probably get 12 different answers of what hybrid cloud is. And I think hybrid cloud is kind of what you want the cloud to be. And that's not a wrong answer, right? Because in many ways it's like, why should any single vendor or company impose, this is what cloud is, this is what hybrid cloud is on you, why don't you as an engineer, you as a developer say, you know what, this is how I define hybrid cloud, this is my cloud. And for some, it's public-private. Some, it's like my own cloud that's hosted in a rack space. Some, it's a single application spanning multiple clouds. Me, my hybrid cloud is Azure and Google and Amazon. That's three public clouds, but it's my hybrid. And so, I think question one is, what do you define hybrid? And I think it's fine for everyone out there to find hybrid in a different way. It just shows you what we're really seeing, this, you know, cambering explosion of new ways to think about apps and architecture. And that's a good thing. Well, I think the key word in that, first of all, a great, great summary. I love that answer. Engineering is the answer. At the end of the day, it's an engineering opportunity to say, hey, our business has unique requirements and this is how our infrastructure is going to look. It's kind of like distributed computing. It's a concept, but how it's deployed in engineering is different by the environment of the apps and the business. So, what, different horses for courses, right? As they like to say, different types of hybrid cloud for different apps. And I think what you're seeing, there's a generation of new technologies out there like Docker, they're enabling you to build a cloud you want. And that's probably a more profound question of what does that look like? And, you know, you can talk to the VMware folks or the Docker folks or the OpenStack folks, the Red Hat folks, and they probably have a different opinion. But I get excited because I go to engineering meetups all the time. I talk to them how they build their apps.  Yeah, yeah. It's agile. It's defined by the personnel, the environment, great answer. Oh, I got to ask you about, I was on MCing a launch last night company and we're talking about the cartel of storage. EMC, I know you guys are investors in Pure, but we were speculating when was the last breakout storage company since NetApp? Yeah. Pure now is looking good off the tee, as they say. Still, incrementalism has always been their answer, but what's game changing in storage? You got networking with NSX throwing some numbers around, like it's pretty impressive, looks pretty good, sounds good, but again, that's VMware articulating it. But what are you seeing happening that's organically coming out of the market? Not vendor defined, unified and software defined are vendor term. Sure, yeah. Hyperconverge was not a vendor term. That was a kind of, it came out of the engineering community. So what are you seeing now that's bubbling up that's not a vendor driven key trend? Okay, I think it's storage is probably three things to track. One is the storage is medium, like disk versus flash, and the server side flash, array flash, storage class memory. So there's a whole bunch of interesting stuff coming from Intel around storage class memory. So one is to think about the medium. Number two is the architecture. Hyperconverge, array, server side, cloud base, et cetera. So I think that's the second thing to think about. The third thing is kind of location. Is it private cloud and appliances? Is it software only? Is it like a hosted service, only in the cloud? And so you think about those three axes, like kind of pick and choose, you're seeing a bunch of companies either go deep on one of those three things, we're going to be pure, the flash storage company. Doesn't matter where the flash is, we're making bet on that wave is going to swamp EMC and the rest. You have folks that kind of make a bet around, okay, next gen server side, next gen array base. And you have a whole generation of companies saying, we're going to be the storage service in the cloud or storage service on premise or storage for solid fire. So I would say, if you look at those three trends, you're going to find some good innovation in each of those. Some incremental stuff, but also some good innovation storage. And the way you just laid it out was awesome because it's complicated. It's not, you can't just say, I'm betting on that horse. There's a lot of courses in different horses. So we don't know what the weather's going to be like depending upon the course. Storage is a $40 billion industry. And it looks very different. Waiting to be disrupted. It's always disrupted, right? Because you look, got pure storage and kind of Nutanix disrupting this generation. Before that, he had NetApp, he had ISLON, he had Data Domain, another Greylock investment. So we've been lucky to be involved with a couple of these generations from Data Domain to Pure and hopefully beyond, but we continually see storage going through these generational cycles. Yeah, but to me that when the names change on the leaderboard, I mean Data Domain, I know it's a great exit, still is an R&D project for EMC, ultimately a two billion plus R&D project, but you know, great product. But there's a lot of efficiency still available as you lay out the different cloud opportunities per company, there's a ton of opportunities. So with that, I want to ask you the sophomore Jinx question. So what else have you invested in? What are you working on? What do you get your eye on? Share, tease out, I don't want you to give away your trade secrets to the other VCs, but what are you looking at right now? What have you just recently invested post-docus? Docus was your first investment. I don't know if there's any trade secrets to give. I think there's- They got you on surveillance, where's Chien-Chien going? There's really not much to follow or surveil. So I'm looking involved with three other companies, four other companies right now, the security company that we incubated, Michael Callahan, who you know really well, so that's, as you heard today in the keynote, security is going to the evergreen market, so we're excited. Enterprise app company that my partner Joseph and I incubated, so it's still early, but it's attacking kind of enterprise applications. I'm an observer on Cladera, so I spent a lot of time in the big data space. When did that happen recently? So I've been kind of involved loosely for the past two years almost, because I spent a lot of time- And Neil's been pretty busy. And Neil's a full-time board member, he's a great board member, but I've been looking at a bunch of these next-gen data companies and I've been helping the Cladera folks to outthink through different things I'm seeing as an investor. And so me and Pete Sancini, we just announced a small seed investment we did yesterday and kind of called it Instabase, so that V-Mafia working together. Wow. Yeah. How come we didn't get that on theCUBE? What's happening? Well, you had Pete earlier, right? I know, I would have had that on with a special segment, come on. All right, Pete, you're watching, we're going to come back and follow up on that. So as you explained that, how big was the deal, small seed, was the seed deal? It was less than $4 million, so like large seed, small A. And so Pete and I have been looking for a project to work on together. It's a great entrepreneur, a not-barred watch. He's a Stanford grad, CS master's, PC student at MIT in their C-Cell lab. And he created a project called Data Hub when he was at MIT. And now he's taking some of the learnings around his project and his PC thesis and creating company around it. So, a lot of it. So you got four other projects besides Docker and... And I've been looking lately around vertical SaaS applications. So looking at, you saw the keynote today from construction to healthcare to finance to government. Each of these verticals are to be rethinking applications for those industries. So I've been spending a lot of time looking at different workflows and different these verticals. And you'll see some projects coming out of that space for me, too. What's the biggest surprise you've had at a board meeting with Docker? Ben and the team, obviously a great theme over there. Just feedback from the market, some anecdotal comments, besides just a massive traction that they've had. What specific new learning can you... Board meetings are confidential. But... Well, anecdotally, trend data. I mean, I'm looking for something that you can share that's unique, that's the unique learning that you acquired. I say the unique learning here, and what Docker does well is focus, right? It's people who want Docker to be another VMware and just recreate everything VMware did is are probably not thinking about Docker right. Docker's enabling a whole new way of building applications. And if you kind of embrace Docker as a new architecture, that's the right way to think about cloud native applications. And I think the learning is, I'm surprised, some of the companies out there who you think would be laggards are actually embracing stable applications, containers of apps, scale out versus scale up, new database technology. So I would say the learning there is, pretty much most of the companies you would think are slow movers, the incumbents would be disrupted, are all having small projects of self disruption. And I think if you're a savvy CEO and an entrepreneur right now, you're going to find those pockets and you'll follow it aggressively. Okay, final question. What's going on right now in terms of the VMware ecosystem? Obviously you see the announcement of Microsoft with Windows 10 on stage, with Sanjay Poon on end user computing. You got vCloud kind of out there, vSphere, vCent, a lot of cool stuff going on. They made some good decisions and they were building out but the world's still evolving. Their boat is a little heavy right now. They've taken up a lot of, they're doing a lot as Pete said, but there's a lot of turbulence in the water, if you will, in the VMware boat and the ecosystem. What are the investment opportunities that you see and opportunities for entrepreneur within the VMware ecosystem? Are they doing it right? Is VMware making the right moves? What would you recommend that they look at or change? All that above. You know, I think VMware is a company that I know well and have a lot of affection for it in my heart. And I think they do some things well and some things not so great. And so I think some of the core technologies around virtualization, that's their bread and butter, they're doing that great. I would say the opportunity around VMware is look at things that they don't do well or it's not a priority, right? And so you'll see them making kind of announcements in different market spaces from clouds to mobile to security and you're like, okay, that kind of makes sense, but if it's not a priority for the company, then they're probably not going to do it great. And you look at networking security, I think it's one, they're probably doing some interesting stuff around. I think the question becomes, is that the right architecture for the next 20 years? Or is that just kind of the architecture of the last 20 years warmed over? Are they leading or following? That's what you're kind of saying. And the debate is, is this technology in each of the product categories, the last of the prior generation or the first of the next generation? And it's the last of the prior generation, you're like, fine, I'm going to build an ecosystem of product to go forward. You have to leap forward, use a springboard. If they're doing something that's the first of the next generation, then that's either get out of their way or ride on top of it. And so to say there's some products that are doing is like the best of the last generation. And there's some efforts I think they're going to try to do first in the next. And with any incumbent is how many of these plays can they do and do really, really well with everything else going on? And not get defocused. Not get defocused. Not take too much on. Correct. And there's a lot of, I mean, and that's why you see some companies do things well and wrong. Like cloud as a service, right? You can argue if you're not Amazon or Google or Microsoft that can do things that scale, why should be in the data center building business, right? Final question. Final, final question. I always go with the final, final question here because I always pop one in there. Dave Vellante and I were talking about Amazon. We always love the Amazon. And we did a panel prior to VM role. Me, Stu, Dave, and Brian Gracie, our new analysts, basically trying to peg the inning of where the disruption is. And I'm like, man, it's early. First inning, maybe they haven't even started. Spring training. And Dave's like, no, no, we're in the seventh inning. So huge different debate on where we are. And then Mark Lewis at Formation Data wrote a blog post. He was inspired to write a blog post that said, no guys, you got it all wrong. It's double header. Game one is Amazon. Game two is enterprise, different rules. So I want to get your take on that comment because you could argue the big players of this next generation are emerging Amazon. Okay, game one, public cloud. Clearly dominating. Game two, getting started. Do you agree? And if you do, what's the rules of the new game in the enterprise? I'm trying to think over the right support metaphor. Innings is a double header. If you stick with baseball, I think it's both a double header and early in the first game, okay? And because two things. One, underlying all this change is the benefit of Moore's law and scale, right? So the cost of build a data center cloud at scale is going down by half every 18 months. So think about that, right? The cost of stand up at Amazon data center, run an Amazon cloud at scale four years ago was two acts of cost. And you know, they did the DOD deal before I know it was $500 million plus or minus in three or four years. They could probably do that at $250 million, right? If the government or some other government or some other industry said, hey, we'll pay you $300 million, build us our own Amazon. So the cost of them to do that goes down as a unit of cloud is an Amazon instance, if you can imagine, like a $500 billion instance. But it also lets new people come in and get to scale faster because all of a sudden the barriers to entry become half and half and half. And so it's still early because I think there's most of the enterprise apps and even consumer apps aren't on the cloud. God bless Amazon and Google and all those companies, but they're not on Amazon, so it's early. But this is the game where the rules and the later inning change because the underlying benefits of Moore's law and the technology around us, bandwidth, mobile, enables the later innings to play by almost a different rule book. Tubbs a roll. Jerry Chen here, sharing his insights, his observations, his learnings, and also what he's working on. I see a general partner at Greylock, partners, great to see you on theCUBE. Great to have you back. Congratulations on the sets. My favorite set still I think is VMworld Vegas when you were in the big hang space with the huge screens. Yeah, that was a good one. That was fantastic. It was the first time we had Frank Slutman on former data domain, Brenda Greylock as well, one of our favorite CEOs out there. Great to see you, Jerry Chen, investor perspective, former VMware technologist here inside theCUBE on the director's set, the two set production in Moscone, North, VMworld 2015. We'll be right back here for this short break.