e sense for him to have agency in this scene. Like this is the one time, like, you know, it's crazy how they do this. If you're, because he says like, and you wonder why you're out.  And then he goes outside and cries on the bench.  And then they double it up. It's his best of the series. Best of the series, maybe, sure, I don't know. But he doesn't do anything else.   I'd like that on the entire series. It's just so much pressure.  Wow. It doesn't collapse with his head and his knees with the end of the thing. How would you, wait, so at this point, he doesn't actually know that Rowdy is a scrawl, right? No. I thought he did, like, so this is the thing. He said, he knows who is and who isn't a scrawl based on just the fact that someone wouldn't call him Nick. Rowdy calls him Nick in the scene. So the show is telling me Fury knows, but he doesn't behave like Fury knows. No, he doesn't. Okay, now I'm confused. Even Rowdy acts like he should have known from that because when they're in the hospital later, he says something when he's, like, crowting him and he goes, yeah, Nick. So he emphasizes it as if I did it deliberately kind of thing. Yeah, it's all over the place because Fury would be doing a lot of different things if he knew Rowdy was a scrawl right now. He needs to tell everyone, first of all. Even when he's talking to the British woman about it, when he tells her it's Rowdy, he even takes a pic. He's like, how did you not know? You say, I'm slow. So he implies that he knew immediately. Also, someone's just said something that I must check. I actually said I wouldn't mind getting these scripts for all films that have Nick Fury in them or even references to it. Actually, all of the films at the MCU and just control F and Nick because I have a feeling that they made that up. And I don't think, you know, considering how they approach basically everything.  You know what, that would be a cool thing to look up because I can see them screwing that up, like one of the movies probably, you know. So someone in chat just tell me, it's in the Infinity War script. So I just control after you've got Fury says, same energy signatures as New York. Hill says 10 times bigger. Fury says, call Klein, we'll meet him at, and then Hill says, Nick. Oh, no. Oh, over. And then a few seconds later, she gets his attention because she's dusting and she says Nick again. Oh, okay. That's, that's pretty bad. Like this. Yeah. That's not even that long ago. No. In that specific movie.  I would have to watch that scene in order to get that clip. Yeah, I can't believe. Wow. At this point, this is just vibes, right? This image. That's just how we feel them. Yeah. This is actually me. That's literally me right now. Just like, what is this show? How do you, how do you watch the scene to retcon it, but you don't pay attention to the, that's, that's, that's my mother. Well, when you write down the Nick thing, you're like, oh, we should, we should check. Just control it. That's what I mean. It's so easy. We should check to see if that's not a lie. You found that within the stream while we're live. I never, like I said, I never checked. I just put out the idea that someone did. Someone controlled me.  You would automatically assume, yeah, they would have to check. Right? There's no way they would lie so brazenly about something that would be so easy to double check and verify. It is $200 million show. They wouldn't just not do that.  They just didn't like, they forgot the other part of the scene. I don't know what happened there. And it's funny too, because if they were right at this, they're like, what would be a name someone might call him that definitely hasn't been used in other films.  That sounds like something that might have been used. Like, nah, it's fine. You should have gone with Nickalicious. Nobody would have called him that before. Nickalicious. And he's like, nobody calls me Nickalicious. No one calls me Nick with a hard R. But it nailed it, but oh well. And yes, he does wheeze and cry. It's okay though. He needs a moment. He's just depressed. He's alive. He's depressed. That's actually true. Yeah, you're right.  Now the plaque on that bench is going to read. It was here. It was on this day. That's a 2000 or whatever.  We dedicate this to his cheers. So Olivia Coleman, we're back with her. And she walks in and the guy's like, wait, that door is locked. And she says, what does that tell you about me and doors? That means she's saying that she can unlock doors? I thought it means that locked doors don't stop her, just in general. Like she doesn't care if it's locked or not. She doesn't care.  Like that she unlocked it because she had a key for it because this is a place she's heading to. They wait for her as well, right? They show you a break in the door from memory. I like she doesn't even pick it. She just pushes it like harder. And it opens.  But he's like, who are you? And then she says above your pay grade. Where is he? And he looks over because that guy who got captured, who worked for America, or the Skrull, sorry. Yeah, this is kind of confusing. The Skrull who took the identity of the guy who worked for America against the Russia people, he's been captured by MI6. And she is here to torture him herself, which is interesting, but sure, I guess, if she's good at it, I don't see. All right, yeah. Why not? Why not? Maybe he just loves what she does. It doesn't work a day in her life. This is something that maybe we can have some agreements or disagreements on, but I could see it going one of two ways for people. It did actually end up going a good way for me. I really enjoyed her performance in this. She felt like different and fun. And I strictly give it to Olivia Coleman. It's nothing to do with anything else. I'm so familiar with her and other stuff now that I'm just like, oh, you have all of these dreary, lame, depressed assholes.   And she's just sort of this, this sort of wild card in the mix. Like a person, like a personality. Well, one of the, one of the keys to it, I would argue is that the plot prevents a lot of people from doing anything, but she actually has stuff that she needs to do to make the plot move forward. And so she gets to do competent things. It's crazy. Yeah, she, it's kind of funny when you put it that way. Like the plot allows her to actually be competent. Well, it has to. Because the entire thing was building up to her. Yeah, exactly. Replacing Flurry. Yeah. That's what I was saying, how like she was basically doing everything that Nick would normally be doing in terms of like just the tactics and how skillful and witty she was in all these conversations. She did great. So this guy, I want everyone to take a good look. They described this guy they need information from, okay? And she's been sent in to do torture. Though the torturer currently says to Olivia Coleman, I've thrown everything at him. And he hasn't said a word. What are you going to do? You see this guy? He doesn't look like he's, he looks like he's had some, I don't like some moth face on Adam. He's been hit. Yeah. Compared to how bad it could get in terms of getting tortured. Well, if Apple know from our coverage of things, this is like a weird thing that happens in all kinds of movies where a torturer just for some reason only knows how to punch or slap. They never know for anything that's more like terrifying instantly like amputation of a limb or waterboarding or any of those kinds of things. It's always punching. Is it waterboarding?  It's a psychological thing. It's a psychological thing. That's a lot of those. But then I guess you got something like Luther Weapon, where they like electroshock's Mel Gibson. So Joe, Joe in the last of us, I love that torture scene. Yeah. Get the job done. Oh, dude, it's reminded me of the sound it makes. What do you call that? That crunch, that crunch. I like seeing like, that looks like someone who wants to get answers now. None of this, like I'm going to slap you 30 times. Like, yeah, that was much better. Yeah. Was it the Joker who said you don't go for the face first because it makes them, like a big numb to everything else because they're all confused. So don't go and punch them in the face in the first place.  Because he couldn't feel that because he's disoriented.  But yeah, so she comes in, she just says, where's the escape hatch? And the guy's like, well, there. Then he's like, why do you want to know that? She's like, oh, just a hunch. It's just like, I guess that's good to know. If ever, always know where your exits are. Something I literally said about fury was that's something that he would always be aware of. So it's just like, that's good. Now your exit. And then she said, easy way or hard way?  But she says, hard way.  I love it. And then it's like, wow, OK. Like, it's just she just gets straight to the point, essentially. Yeah.  She's like, off comes the finger. It's just like, yeah, she knows it. This is fun. Yeah.  And it's like, she did not even fully under knowing if he was a Skrull.  This will work. It's like, yeah. Where the hell is this bid? The whole series. Now it's time to have the conversation about identifying walls. If you can amputate some portion of that person and then it reverts back to a Skrull form, then it's really, really, really easy to find out if people are Skrulls.  If it turns purple. Ask them to pull out a strand of hair and if it disappears into nothing, well, they're a Skrull. Basically, like, it's really, really easy to test for it and nobody does it. It's easy and it's interesting. But what is the easiest one? Because we know from, like, the Blood Splatter, especially at the end, it turns blue immediately before it hits the wall. Well, it's not even so. It's funny you point that out because that's a continuity error.  Yeah, at the end of episode six, with certain character, it's instantly purple. Yeah, but still, the blood one works because as soon as it gets separated from the body, it seems to immediately, that's how you do it. So it's easy to test, but the show doesn't understand that. It doesn't realize that that's the case, which is cataclysmic. This is disastrous for every character. Well, it's funny. The thing is, the thing is more obtrusive. You need to, you need to get the blood and then you need to, like, actually damage it in some way. You know, like, it's actually harder. I said it was even easier for them, but they still don't do it. Yeah. I said in one of my reviews, this is like watching Memento. None of the characters remember what happened, like, five seconds ago. Like, everything is just a first discovery in every scene, which is why now she can learn, oh, I can detect scrolls and, like, I'm just completely forget it as if it never happened because it was never written. So this is this is a disaster, basically, for the whole show because now that now that this is a thing that's proven to work, you could just do this all the time.    A lot of people in chat are saying the thing rolls. It's it's it's worse than that because, again, with the thing, you've got to actually threaten to damage the entity that is the blood here. You don't need to, like, set up a thing and then and then get it really hot and then apply it to the blood. You don't even need to do that. No, you see to see it so much easier and they still are crazy. It's pointless to take out a little hair. That's it. Yeah, I'm genuinely curious. What does Skrull here do when you cut it up? Amelia's got a whole it has to disappear, right? It has to disappear. It's not attached to them anymore. So it's got to whatever the change is. It's not like they don't care about these things.  So it's got to be like, maybe they'd have a bit less of an ear or something. You could. Well, so this is the thing.  And they're like, you could probably pull out a nail.  Don't pull it out. Just clip it. You know, as long as the nail is long enough, you can clip it. Yeah. I mean, why did the original torture not do that just like as standard practice? Well, I guess the thing is, is that they were trying to figure out like why he did it. They didn't even think that he was a Skrull, right? They were just trying to maybe that was what I mean. Just as a standard part of like interrogation, surely that would be one of the first things you do. There should be standard practice at this point. It should be. They just want to punch you like both of things. Actually, you know, like both of things that would actually make like permanent bottling damage is as that's like scary, right? For like the ones I you threaten to move someone's eye. It's over. They're giving you that information. You punch them 30 times. You might still have some time. It's like it's almost like a challenge for being like that. When you're punching someone for information, they're almost like, oh, this is my challenge. I can do this. I can take it. When you threaten to take an eye, yeah, they're like, there's no coming back. I lose that. It's gone forever. So I was like in those scenes where they're holding out for ages and then they're like, I'm going to take your eye and he doesn't say anything. Then he takes the eye and then they give them the information. What if you just 10 seconds? You could have saved your own eye. Yeah, they would be they screw up the scenes in both directions. Yeah, they're not always good. Thank you, Joel. That's one of the good ones that I'm going to reference. No, we cut over to good old Gaia who's looking at a screen because she's investigating that weird machine she saw. And we see something we really don't want to see. This is how we're going to be introducing it to the wonderful audience at home, okay? On the screen, we got Groot, Frostbeast and Cull Obsidian. Now, for those who don't remember, Cull Obsidian is the big chongus who worked for Thanos.  So what are these doing here? Great question. We'll find out later. They're on the computer for now. Very strange. What are they doing?   Yeah, and Gravic's like, what are you doing? She's like, oh, just looking at people doing things. She's trying to figure out his evil plan. And of course, you know, that's the spark she can get for now. And then Gravic does some more good writing. He says, I remember when you first came to me, Gaia, you were the daughter of a failed general. I thought to myself, what kind of a man would send his daughter to do what he wouldn't? But then I realized that kind of coward doesn't have it in him. Our man on the inside is located Brogan when they got kidnapped. So we're gonna go to him now.  It's just thunk, thunk, thunk, next thing. Yeah, just clunks along. Anyway, back to Olivia Coleman and her amazing torture techniques. After she's chopped off his finger, he's like, I'll never talk. And then she says, everyone talks when their blood boils, the smart ones talk earlier. And I was just like, okay, that's pretty good, yeah. Then he says, put it in my arm. I don't care. So she stabs him in the ass, which I thought was kind of funny. Just, you know, he was expecting the cool arm syringe, but now he's got something in his butt, which men don't like that when you torture them, okay? Well, maybe some of them do, actually. I don't wanna say. Wouldn't wanna cover too, too broad of a spectrum there, but yeah, his blood starts to boil. That was a pretty good idea from her. Does no one else know about this? Torturers everywhere would probably want this device, because apparently it just gives them searing agony, and it doesn't even have permanent damage, which is pretty useful. Or maybe it doesn't, I guess I don't know. Yeah, they didn't address that. I was kind of curious. I think we're, I'm pretty sure that there was a scene in 24 where they use something similar, like some sort of thing that enters a bloodstream and makes it like incredibly painful just throughout somebody's body. So, yeah, he gives the information up, or some information, the information he gives is that a machine is being made to make scrolls better and that the scientist involves, surname is Dalton. He gives her all of that, and then she's like, thank you, and goes down the little hatch. Again, she needs some other information for the story to continue, but the scene itself in isolation is like actually okay, because she tortures someone properly. You just don't see that much anymore because they're not allowed to. In fact, I think I was surprised when she chopped his finger off. I was like, oh. Not just for the intelligence of it, but also the gore factor because a lot of the time they'll just go off-screen. Got away. Yeah. Oh, God, yeah.  So you got a freezer with like three guys standing outside of it, and then about three meters away, you have a guy in the front of the store.  He opens it a little bit so that he can hold the bell so it won't make a noise. Like, as if this is actually gonna maintain some stealth, shoots the guy at the front desk who falls over, and the guys who are three meters away don't hear a thing. The- No, I'm pretty sure they shoot through the glass first before they open the door with the bell. Oh, really? That's even worse. Yeah. I'm pretty sure. I remember commenting on it. Yeah, because they- You know, broken windows don't make noise, though. No, that's right, me. There's even more sounds. They just don't notice anything. And it's so funny because they shoot this to try and avoid showing you just how clear it is, but then there's a shot after they've thrown the grenade, I think, that really lets you see it. Yeah, there. But they were standing there, planning all of this after having killed someone. That's where someone and someone else were.   It might be in the next thing over, but that's gonna- He's literally staring at it. Yeah, he's just looking right at it. So, yeah, you're probably not gonna be hearing anything for a while, and you might be temporarily just completely dazed visually.  Go to shitty, yeah. No one shoots anyone except the people who need to do- It's all the usual. The shooting, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Gaia runs off in the middle of this to go and tell, I guess, like, the police where the safe house is, which is where they'll be heading next. So that happens. And then they collect their guy, and they're like, what did you tell him? And he's like, nothing, just lies. They maybe think like, why didn't he tell her lies? You know when your information is they're building a machine and it's run by Dalton?  You could have made a normal name. But what I'm getting at is that it's just lie with the truth. You know what truth that she's after. You can just use different names and items. It throws her off completely. But he doesn't- You know, you'd be like, yeah, but he's under great pain. He's like, yeah, but she'll not know the difference. She can't know the difference. Impossible. You don't have a lie detector. She's a person. But lucky he did tell her the truth, I guess. But, yeah, Gravix is doing mean faces.  And on their way back, they see that the police have gotten to their safe house, which I thought was really funny. It's like, did you tell them to just instantly raid it?  So, yeah, I don't know what, it almost seems like she did this. It was this thing I was trying to talk about.  Because she's like, oh, I'm definitely working for Talos and Fury, right? And I'm sabotaging them by giving away their safe house. And it's like, yeah, I guess you can tell them that, but you gave it away so early that they weren't gonna get captured with it. You do that on purpose? Could have given it away just as, well, it told them to wait until everyone goes in, right?  These are all the leaders. But I guess she didn't think about that or she's a triple agent. Like I said, pay more attention and then you start to think of different stories being told. Yeah, her whole, it was kind of confusing to get it to see.  And they're like, how do they find the safe house? And they assume it's information that Mr. Brogan in the middle there gave up. And as a result, they execute him. Which is like, what does Gaia think about that first, considering she just got him killed? What does everyone think about that?  And you're like, oh no, but you did tell him.  Like why? Because it's only punishment, right?   It's like, okay, so what if this is me? What if any of us get tortured?  It's the reason why we often complain about the bad guy killing our own men trope. It's like, what is, yeah, what is to stop the person from thinking, oh shit, that could be me next. What am I even doing here? Why would I even wanna help you? You know, you could betray me at any moment. Which is used by the way as part of a growing sentiment of mistrust and ravic that'll have a payoff. But like I said, the other thing that's going on in this scene is like, oh, look how sad Gaia is because the information she gave is gonna get this guy killed now. And that does get brought up next episode really quickly. There's not much to say about it and then never again.  You don't. Well, yeah, and because they didn't care, like, why did they even bring him into the woods in the first place? Just shooting where he was. They already knew he was a Skrull.   Well, at least they didn't eat him like the half-foot's would. It was savages. Yeah, and then the episode ends with Fury visiting his Skrull wife, which is just like, what? A lot of new invented history for Nick Fury. Yeah, if you haven't noticed, the show keeps doing this. It's just like, this was a thing the whole time. I say the show, all of Marvel does this. And like, good God has it had an effect at this point. We've been kind of talking about it, but just like people have lost interest in Marvel's so hard recently. I feel like this goes further than other things though, because even if you were like, okay, maybe they just want to destroy Fury as a character now. It's like, no, that's not enough.  Every shred of the man's history and legacy. Like they went through. That's why I was so shocked by how, like this takes the amount of effort they put into destroying characters. If they put that into the other aspects of the script, they could actually do great things because they, it's crazy how much they went for everything.  So, they're already doing that now. Already doing that now. It's crazy. And yeah, episode three is 15 minutes shorter. Like, damn. Oh God, a mercy. Well, I guess we'll start moving probably a little faster now through these, but we're on three. We're only at five hours, everyone. I think the last one is 36 minutes. Yeah, that's, Salem's commented about why he did it. He was like, well, we thought it dragged a little bit and we wanted to increase the pace and build up to a big explosive moments at the end. Like that was in articles today. Why did he keep, he needs to stop talking. Yeah, he says he needs to stop talking. He said the other day that had to do with like the fact that Secret Invasion is the lowest rated Marvel production ever. And it was just this massive cope essentially about the ratings. Stop it. It's like, what's his name? The Jeff Loveness.  But then I went to the theater and everybody was laughing. And it's like, no, Murdoch is funny. What? Like, you're allowed to cope and see them private. It's okay. Like. So we begin next episode with a little scene for our wonderful Bravix men. The new guy, that guy we mentioned before, he's on his first mission and he says, do you think bringing chaos is gonna work? And then they say, why did you join? I know, right? There's something wrong with this whole thing. I always wonder if I should read it all out or go bit by bit. But do you think bringing chaos is gonna work? And they say, why did you join? He says, because I don't want our people to keep running. And then he says, no, you joined the same reason I did. Faith in the future and faith is built on risk. Faith is built on risk. No, faith isn't built on anything. That's the word. Well, and also just, he said, like, do you think chaos is gonna work? And the guy's response is, it's cool to have risks. It doesn't answer his question. It's like, do you think it will work? I've already understood that it's a risk. I'm asking you, do you think it'll work?   They're just talking at each other. Yeah. There's not even, yeah, there's no processing going on. So these three are going to the Royal Navy and they're gonna take the, you know, the personas of three people that I guess they've stolen the information of and have kidnapped, you know, I have to assume otherwise it wouldn't make much sense.  They're like right next to the place that he says, right, now it's time to change.  As they roll out.  I don't know. I think it's to help us remember who he is. He's always wearing the hat of a nanotech, like, cause their clothes are all like nanotech, right? Including, I guess, hats. Yes. Hopefully we went there. He always, he's always wearing the hat. Like the hat's a part of his skin. No. They're all not changing. Well, so that's the fun question, right? It's like, so can you copy someone's appearance but then like alternate outfits? The answer has to be yes, right? Because we see that. With Gaia, she has a few outfits. So I guess you can. And if he just really likes clothes. Wait, what if, well, unless those are clothes, clothes. No, they can't. No, they, I don't think they can be. Every time you see a scroll, they always, they can always like change their clothes as well. It's like nanotech. But why can't, so does that mean they're like always cold and stuff? Like they're, like they feel like it? Maybe it's, it's, well, I mean, the nanotech can be like a physical thing, right? It's like a physical like hat and a physical jacket and things like that. So they can change their molecular structure to be that of clothes. Well, if you took the hat off him, theoretically it wouldn't remove. And if you stabbed it, it wouldn't hurt him. We have no idea.  It works the way it works cause shut up. But no way it makes sense now. So Gravic explains what we're seeing here, which is that they're gonna execute an attack on key United Nations targets or a target. The heroes of Earth are gonna react. And the only counter we have is to become super ourselves. We no longer change faces. We change powers, all of us, super scrolls. Humans will start a war and while they fight, we're gonna break their backs. Super scrolls, that name. Yeah, well, you know. Super scrolls on the Skrull Council. In Skrullos. New Skrullos. In Skrullos. In Skrullos. No, it just doesn't work. Oh my God. But I just, it's so, and then storytelling we've been over it before, but like suddenly, it's like what's happening this episode? Cause like this hasn't been built up. It's like three of them are going undercover into the Royal Navy to shoot a missile at some target that's important to then cause World War Three to happen. And while that's happening, we're gonna run a scientific experiment to give ourselves Avengers powers to then kill the rest of the humans. He ends this speech by saying, I invite you to join me in the extinction of the human race.   Uh, well, I mean, is it even power creep at this point? It's like power bound to power leap power. Yeah, what do you even call this? This would be used as examples in future, I think of the worst kind of power creep where you don't know what to do anymore. How do you beat Captain Marvel? Well, I have an idea. It's like, oh. Well, it's like everything else though. It's good you go from the fate of one planet to the universe to the entire multiverse. There was no build up there. Oh, well, maybe we're just destroying a part of it. It's literally all or nothing at every point. Oh, so yeah, that's the plan. We've already been over all the different ways it would fall apart every time.  Like, like the British government, which is the, they're using the British government to fire this time. So, like, imagine a checks and balances involved in, by the way, their target I'm pretty sure is like a UN summit or something, like some conference with all the UN leaders in it or like a ship or a boat or an island.  I just, I could never buy it. You'd need so many, there'd be so many people. We'll get there, it's fine. We'll go over it when we get to the actual sub and stuff. They never like phone back. Are you sure? Are you sure? So, Fury and his GF. Oh, after I skip past the 10 hour intro, of course. I'm gonna be doing that. This is like showing how it works.  And she's like, man, okay, that's just how that works. And it's time to think like, wait a minute, does this mean, and you'll get an answer to that question later as to, Fury's involvement as a spy in general. I wonder what it was. And so then he asks her, because this is a scroll he recognizes in terms of personality, but not in face. And so he says, who's the woman you've taken? And then she says, that depends on where this goes. Meaning, she doesn't wanna tell him if they're gonna hook up. And then he says, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, there's a rule for like commanders and agents. And she says, that doesn't apply to us because our unit doesn't exist. So I don't technically work for you. Okay, that's not how, with that works at all. That's just an awful set of lines. Like first of all, if someone told, if I said to a girl like, where did you get that face from? And they said, well, if I'm gonna sleep with you, I'd rather you don't know. I was like, what? What? Catchy. She's crazy in the sack. Because remember, she only reveals where she gets this face from in like episode four, I think. Which means we're talking decades later. Yeah, way later. She never told him where this is from. And then of course, on top of that, saying like, well, power dynamics, I'm in control of everything. And I'm the reason that you're gonna be able to have a home. So probably not the greatest idea to start sleeping with each other. Other than she just says, yeah, but our unit doesn't officially exist. It's like. Oh, a necklace.  I feel like, you know what I mean? It's just like, gosh, that's awful. Who wrote you? Why did they do this? What's wrong with them? You gotta wonder, right? Like, when they write that down, do they look at that and go, yeah, that's coherent? Yeah, that makes sense. They probably say like, yeah, but they're in love. You're like, all right. Excuse me. Why did you just say that? Why did you say all the other stuff?  So, yeah, that's obviously a past scene. And then we get to go to the present where we'll have some questions as an audience member.  And when did you decide this was what was happening? What the hell's going on? And the first thing she said, or one of the first things is, dare I ask, what must have happened to bring you back to me since you've been gone for years?  Man, again, they're doubling, like abandon the scrolls, abandon his wife, just every box they could check. It's crazy. And what would his reason for doing it even be? Like, if he is just depressed to be alive and that's why he ran away, why would he dump his wife? Yeah, wouldn't he be here? This looks like a place of comfort, but instead he's in space, like, explain. Saber is more comfortable than home with his beloved wife. Apparently.  Yeah, it's like, what, we're missing something here. I don't buy it. Is she just insane? Like, I don't get it. Well, because she says, I've never harbored any illusions about you going away, but staying away, that leaves a mark. But, so you're cool with him just leaving you regularly, I guess. Like, yeah, what is this check, like? Oh man, this is a real, this is a real keeper. She's a simp, man. This is setting up that he hurt her so much that she went to cause the apocalypse. Yeah. So, it comes out of nowhere.  Seriously, it's crazy. Woman, moment. It's, cause he just says to her, you've been in touch with Gravick while I was gone, who've you become while I was gone?   Hello?  How about that? Weird. Yeah, cause he definitely knows at this point as you find out in the next scene. So.  Bit weird. And then he got- 50-50 chance. He came back and then she was like, I thought we'd heal together, but then you just ran off to your spaceship.  It was. What is this? When did this happen? You're lying. Who is this woman? What's the spaceship? What's going on? And he won't say anything.   There's nothing else- Does he agree? I guess, yeah. And like, yeah, I've got a note that says, so apparently he's a failure of a husband to a wife that didn't exist five seconds ago. It's like, yeah. Yeah. Good to know. Maybe like that sometime. They invent these people.  It's crazy. Well, it's just, you know, we're not gonna get it all again. The big criticism of Fury as a character in the show was invented in the show. Yeah. All of it. Pardon me for not seeing that, you know, coming. Yeah, I know, right? Yeah. The absolute wiping of his history, which we're getting closer and closer to.  That scene. You got it like, yeah, you need to have the dialogue ready for that one, because it's so thick. Oh, yeah, yeah. So she gets a ring on her phone, she picks it up and answers it, and then just goes like, mm-hmm. And then she says, I don't have that information at hand right now. And then it hangs up, and he's like, who are you talking to? It's like, obviously the bad guys. Why would she talk like that if it was the normal person?    So then we get this really awful scene. Didn't want to shock you with that, but I just have to lay these truth bombs every once in a while. Yeah, it's controversial.  Look at this cinematography, though. Look at that light. Wow, they thought that was cool. Is that CGI light? Probably. CGI God raise. It kind of looks a little bit like CGI God raise, but who knows? Maybe I'm just so jaded. A little bit. I can't even trust the light. It lights the only thing I can see.  So I got real confused. Because, like I said, Brogan, the agent from the previous episode, got executed because they assumed he gave away the secret hideout, right?   Because, yeah, he clearly, he clearly blabbed and that the drama would, of course, be that she kind of gave that away. And now it didn't get them anything except a dead person, which is now on her hands, that sort of stuff. But then Gravick walks in the room, sits down and says, Brogan didn't even know where our hideout was. So how did they know?  Like, what? I actually have no idea. Why did you kill him? And then, do you know what she says? Well, he made an educated guess. Like, educated guess on a safe house? Either you know or you don't. You don't guess a safe house, surely. Like, but Gravick buys this and he says, is that what you would do? And she said, no, I would lie. Because I'm good at lying. It was definitely Brogan, and he's weaker than you thought. Well, I'm convinced. I get it all. It is such an unconvinced, yeah. But she's basically telling him what she's doing right now.  Because I'm asking you a question.  So would you really know? Would you say that? Well, I don't know if we're supposed to think that he does think she's a traitor at this point.  So I was like, so if not for that, would he still have believed she was chill after this awful attempt? Like, how did he know something he didn't know? He guessed. Yeah, okay. That's great.  You didn't betray me though, right? She's like, no. Also, I'm very good at lying. Great stuff. So if you ask me if I'm loyal to you, I may be loyal. I like that guy. Unfortunately, Jay Longbone has to leave us. We got through just six hours. That's like barely an episode, but I guess, you know, some people do have to sleep or eat or et cetera. But of course, thank you so much for hanging out with us. Yeah. Oh, thank you. Nice to meet you, Jay. Nice to meet you as well.  All right. I just posted a reaction for that trailer. That's out pretty soon. I'm going to have you out. You're cutting out, literally, only the important parts. You're like, you've got two things out, but we didn't want the trailer reaction to help. Okay, can you hear me now? Yeah, you're good. Yes. Like I said, I just posted a trailer reaction for that new Exorcist movie. Got it. Got Exorcist movie. Got it. Yeah, Exorcist movie. New Exorcist movie. Hit it out. No, we did. New Exorcist movie. I don't know why it suddenly, like... Four hours are good, I know. Okay, well, whatever. I got a barbie coming out pretty soon. Sweet, awesome. Barbie and Exorcist. You're going to go after the kid's doll. Wow, what's wrong with you? Wow. Okay, well, link in the description. I imagine most people know who you are at this point on eFap, but again, thanks for joining us. And I'll catch you around. Yeah, thank you. Bye, guys. Goodbye. See you later. Toodaloo. Right then. Let us continue. We're already closing in, we're a third through the episode already because these are so much smaller. Isn't that great? Massively. And there's some scenes where like that one, for example, that's all that happened. That's all there is to talk about. That's it. It's really quick because the writers, they're just so expedient. You know, it's great. They know exactly what they're doing. You're efficient and skilled. They deserve to be paid more for their work. She is... Yeah, she's driving Gravic. Gravic says the UN plane will be at Neptune's coordinates, flight 819, 2200 hours. He says that, that's the full target, right in front of her. And so she's able to relay it to Talos, right? It was gonna be a criticism. And I was sure this was fake. Well, so it's crazy. This layers, right? So first layer, I thought was criticism.  Then I was like, oh, wait. What if she's a scrawl? Maybe he's doing that on purpose to find out if she's a mole. It's like, ah, because the information was, okay, yeah, yeah. Then I was like, but wait, why wouldn't you just feed her fake information? See if that goes through the pipeline so it actually protects your actual goal of completing this mission. Yeah. Because you might have a lot of other failure points in your big new scrawl house operation, right? That might not in any way be related to her.  I don't think he works like that.  No, wait, no, definitely, yeah. No, you are. You could tell different people like different point parts of the plan that were all wrong and whichever one leaks, you find out who it is. Season two, Tyrion. He did that exact thing with three people and you can pinpoint who leaked the information because you give three different people a part of the truth, but then you make sure a part of it is not true.  Or is he?  So he's having his meeting with good ol' Elos, Alos, to Lumbo. Elos. And he says, it's remarkable, isn't it? Gathering up, he's looking at the painting, the statesman of World War I, and he says, gathering up all these men for big painting. I mean, it just sums up the difference between soldiers and statesmen. One lot spends the war posing for pictures and the other lot does the killing and dying, which my God, when I heard that, I was like, this is, I've never heard this point of view before. It's like a 12-year-old wrote this. Incredible.  You gonna do anything interesting with it? No. Says that, the choice between having my story in ink and oil paint versus blood, I choose blood all day. I choose blood all day.  When you're giving a speech, too. It is literally us, yes. It's like he rehearsed this beforehand. He rehearsed it. Yeah, definitely. This was a speech. That's the thing, if Talos said something like that, it might save the scene, but he, all he says back is like, yeah, your blood and everyone else's. And he just says, yeah.   Yeah, like, did you want me to think you just stumbled on these thoughts just now? Is that what you like, really, dude? Olivia, what's her name? Olivia. She would have said something. She would have roasted this guy for that cringe line.  No, but the thing is, there are war species. So they would all think exactly the same thing. It's you've got the Klingons. They'd be far more like them as if, yeah, we'd all agree with you for that kind of thing.  I don't think you'd have. I don't think you'd even have a concept of people doing what he's complaining about. That's why I'm saying I can't get a grasp of this character. Like, I can, I can believe a graphic like figure could emerge in the situation, but you have to justify it. He's just a madman. It's just, well, I mean, what do we do? They're not capable of writing any of the stuff they've bitten off. It's just like, we only really talk about it with the She-Hulk stuff, right? It's like, oh, you're going to do a law procedural without knowing anything about the law. It's like, ha, ha, la, la, la. It's like, well, that's just the same for all these writers for all these projects. Like, what do you know about?  No, like, the example you made of, like, what She-Hokes, like, people are going to lose interest immediately when they realize that they don't know a damn thing about law. Like, you know, the people who went into that for a court show. Yeah, but it's supposed to be funny. It's ridiculous. This is the thing for me.  Every interesting thing they could use, they have no interest in it. And that's, it's so clear.  But then you actually watch the story and there's none of that inspiration in the story itself. That's because they've heard of Invasion. They've heard of Invasion, yeah. They've heard it. It's like, do your job. Like, even if it's not really something you're passionate about, you're not a big sci-fi guy. Watch three of the classic movies that have this concept in it and see what works and see what doesn't.  It's crazy. All this money, they're pissing away. So he has a chat with little Ben Mendelssohn. It could have been a great scene if you think about it right. Could have. These two have a huge history. They both scrolls that ended up in the situation have completely different points of view on what to do. But I have boiled it down to just a couple of quotes because nothing else happens in the scene. Basically, he's like, stop murdering innocent people. Simple as that. Just stop doing the innocent people killing thing. Then Gravick's like, do you know why they put me in charge instead of you? And there's like a gap. And then he's like, guy is in the car. You want to say hello? And then Talos is like, you better be careful. And already it's like, so we were about to do something. They're like, don't kill innocent people. He doesn't address it. Instead talks about how they put him in charge instead of you. He kicked you out. Well, the answer is, I guess we're supposed to imagine what the answer to that is based on things. And then he's like, by the way, guy is in the car. And he's like, how dare you say that? Talon gets in guy's car, but mate. My daughter's name out your mouth. Literally, yeah. Cause obviously the Gravicks is like doing a threat. He's like, she's right there. I could kill her, I guess.  I find that weird as a dynamic because it makes sense to us. Cause we know what's going on with the double agent and stuff, but for these two, it doesn't. Gravic isn't sure about that yet. And as far as he knows, she's betrayed her father. You know what I mean? Like the line doesn't quite, like what Talon should be doing is like, yeah, she's chosen her path, you know? That sort of attitude, even if he's pretending, but whatever.  And so he goes to strangle Gravic and then everyone turns into Gravic.  Well, I thought that that even from the trailer was meant to be like, you don't actually know I'm me. So even if you kill me, I could actually be one of the other people. And this is just kind of someone in person. That would be more fun. So you're just turns out he's the right one anyway. And they had to rehearse this, too. Gravic had to say, OK, OK, guys.  See, guys, they would have had. I need you to all stand up and then turn into me. This is what I'm so great at.  Hope you guys get to see his face. Wait, this doesn't even make any sense, because he says later on why he chose this body. But if they need the DNA of the body to turn into them, does he just like keep some lying around to give to all the people? Can you copy a scroll that's done? You have to look at them, right? You just look at the person. Yeah, if you want their memories, you have to touch them. But then they could just turn into the Avengers whenever they want. So it has to be the day.  Like, oh, no, for the Avengers here, they can turn it. I was like, they can turn into them anyway.  Oh, I thought they at least needed the DNA. I thought they'd wreck on it.  That's that's the safe bet every time. And in multiple scenes as well, it's been drawn attention to the fact that he always puts a ton of sugar in everything he drinks. And I expected that to be a plot point. Just never mentioned. Nope. Yeah, I actually hadn't brought it up because it doesn't go anywhere. But I should have brought it up just to say it doesn't go anywhere.  And they even comment on it. Yeah, how much he's doing. Yeah, I don't know what that is. He's hyperactive. He has lots of sugar. I thought it was going to be something that like the scrolls needed or something. There's going to be some type of scientific reveal, but no, no sugar. Got sweet tooth. Yeah, that's it. It's it's this. We don't have this on our planet. Oh, my God, this is so good.  And I'm taking that that they did.  And like, I would have taken that, but instead they did nothing with it. So. Graphics says all these miscreants, meaning humans know is murder. Look at how they treat each other. We're going to murder them all. And it's like, we already know that he asked you why like stop in it. He said, stop innocent killing people.  What is with the riot every time? It's like, hello, at least we're not barbaric like humans. And then Tala says, you don't understand humans. They're at their most formidable when threatened by a common foe. And I was like, you know, like probably all I was about to say, isn't that just applicable to literally everything? Like whenever. Well, what a, you know, human and cycle comedy united. But the better thing to probably have said is you're going to lose because humans are really good at wiping out enemy species, like really good. And they're pretty advanced as of recently. Have you seen that Wakanda Forever film or the Quantamania film? They can go to different universes. They can travel in time. I don't think you're going to win.  We're pretty op at this point in the Marvel universe. They should. It's a real when they get the upper hand and they've captured all of you.  Like what would be the reason to? And then the graphic says, have you forgotten how we fight? Which I think I assume he means that they can shift. But I don't know. Yeah, infiltrate. But it's like, yeah, right. Humans have ways to subvert that. It's not going to be too difficult. As soon as we we can probably get devised goggles that'll show us who's a scroll. Reree William Tony can whip up next weekend. But they live glasses back from the dead. You mean why not?  But yeah, so obviously he's saying like they could remain like a secret. And then Towers says, you think I'm going to let you continue this fight under anonymity? I'm going to tell everyone and you'll lose the surprise. You'll be put down. I was just thinking like, what is it? No, well, there's that. But there's also if if Gravic thought it was a secret and that he's threatening to tell everyone, why wouldn't you just kill him here and now? Yeah. He doesn't because he wants to die. You just be giving him what he wants or something. Well, his response to tell us on that is you'll have exterminated the scrolls, which is like, I mean, well, you guys are trying to exterminate. Oh, nobody's having a chat here.  Yeah. And then he says, well, then you'll see the difference between us and you and then he says, and your daughter and then he stabs him. I think that they're just trying to make it so that whenever you mentioned Towers's daughter, he gets very mad and stabs people.  Yeah. Yeah. But if they were trying that, never used again, is it? No, they don't even really bank on their relationship. Well, they use it. Yeah, they use it. They do it. They do use it one more time, right? Oh, yeah, but that's different. That's a different reason for that. That's because he's worked something out. Yeah.  I think you're assuming you're talking about the bench scene, but I'm not sure. No, no, the missile guy, the missile guy. Yeah, but that's because he mentions that she's a double agent. So he realized it. It's not just that he mentioned the daughter.  We'll get there. We're almost there, actually. Yeah, Gravix having a bad time, if you can tell from his face. Like, oh, that's so funny. It hurts. Oh, that noyfer. Shaddup. Oh. It gets worse when he removes it, though.  Yeah, I didn't do that. Well, he did it so that they can better show what extremis is, because if they did it just like that, it would be a little bit confusing. We tears it out for no good reason at all. And then is repaired with the stuff from Iron Man three. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, we'll go with that. Why not? Yeah, it's the Iron Man son. And so that means that we saw in the computer they had Groot, Frostbeast and Caleb City. And apparently they have extremis, too. That means he probably has all four of those in him. That's that's a lot of genes. Yeah, it's a lot of powers. It's like, what can you even say about this?  That's a writing thing. Good luck trying to undo this. How do you balance that? You don't. Oh, we gave up on that a lot of time ago. Talking about balancing the fact that they can get any power they want essentially right now, extremis itself had balancing in Iron Man three. It was highly volatile. Like you could die from having extremis put in you if it was on like unstable levels, you have to take care of it.  No, at least they tried to account for it back then. It's crazy. Everything gets worse and worse.   Yeah, well, there's a lot of vans in this area. So it makes sense. It's funny, like I said, I thought that maybe they were trying to imply that he is suspecting her, but then not, but then is. But then, you know, I mean, yeah, and she will have trans she has to transform somewhere from crossing the road to being on the pavement when she's surrounded by human beings and she's just shapeshifted. Nobody noticed. It makes sense. Nobody would react to someone literally changing into a different human being right in front of them. That's pretty normal. Yeah, I don't know if you guys don't have anything. Yeah. Is there a single scene in the whole series of someone like getting caught in that way? No, no, the entire world doesn't know schools exist, apparently, even though there's a million of them doing it all. So Fury is talking to Talos in the little pub here.   And he says, I've got a lead on a rebel scroll high up in the government. And so to summarize this scene quickly, he says, OK, say help me, Talos, I'm useless without you and then I'll help you. And so he says, help me, Talos, I'm useless without you. He goes to leave. And then he's like, no, actually, I do need him that badly. I mean, the fury thing to do would be like, I'm not we're not playing games. This is about saving the world. Like, I don't care about your pride being wounded. Let's go. We've got work to do. Would you not save the world if I didn't say these words to you? Yeah, I think he'd compromise. I think he'd compromise and rephrase it. He'd say, help me, Talos, because I'm your friend and I need your help. Something like that, instead of actually saying I would like that. Yeah, I can't believe that. Like it's just a compromise, acknowledging your mistake. But like, come on, we got a history here.  But the fact that he walked back and said the exact line that like it's over. It's over like Nick wouldn't do that. I'm sorry, Nick would keep some type of like, you know, dignity there and just. Yeah, but what if it's true? Well, that's interesting. Who knows, man, man. So they call Olivia Coleman to say that Neptune is a British sub and it's going to get taken over by Skrulls to launch a missile at a UN meeting. And for some reason, the writers had her say, well, I'm dealing with my own infiltration. As someone clearly gave up the information that I was in the butcher's shop. And so I've got to sort that out. My hands are tied. He's literally been told that the UN delegation is going to be nuked or whatever missile they're using, and it will cause World War Three and that graphic has infiltrated British command. All she says back is, I'm busy. Really weird, because the whole reason she's involved in any of this is because she wants to prevent the end of the world. Like crazy, I know. I know you guys are like, what? What kind of motivation is that? It's like, I know they threw that on her, I guess. But yeah, she's just too busy. She's got stuff to do. So never mind. I guess they could do it. You know, she says you guys can sort it out. I guess. Yeah, go ahead. So she gives the information of the guy they need to find who's in command of the whole thing, Robert Fairbanks. So off they go. And they have a little chat. Chat. The I think for this one will go the root of I'm just going to read the whole thing because sorry, this is going to hurt. Sorry, sorry, get ready. So he sees as a dog, a man and a dog, and he's like, I don't get dogs. Name me one interspecies relationship where one side cleans the other's shit, basically.  And then he says, oh, that's rich. When I arrived in this is towers, by the way. When I arrived in 95, you were a benchwarming nobody in a dumpy field office in Shield. You didn't start ascending the ranks until 20 of us signed on as your invisible spy network. We fed you more dirt and intel than you could possibly have uncovered on your own in a lifetime. Every promotion you got was us.  Every enemy you sabotaged and ally you were leveraged with dirt. No one else in the world had access to. We did that. You were smart. You're capable. But your life was more charmed once I came into it. And it was my pleasure. Just don't rewrite history. Just don't rewrite history. They had the nerve to say that line. So yeah, all retroactively. No, it wasn't a fury.  It wasn't actually Nick Fury.  It's kind of incredible.  That that was the part that got me. Like, OK, you guys are coming for the jugular here with him. You want to shred his whole history now. But then you want to mention rewriting history when that's all you motherfuckers do like I couldn't. This this was the scene that just floored me in terms of you wrote this. You wrote this is not this. Yeah, it kind of hits you as a surprise because they already they kind of did this already in episode two with the beginning scene on the train where he was like, you know, you chained us into your fricking spies.  They've just said that like a lot of the works fury's done over the years. It's actually the scrolls and not himself. He's the super spy. Nick Fury is supposed to be the best spy in the universe. That sort of thing. It's like, oh, I guess some of the scrolls did something. And then this this scene comes in this like, no, no, no, no, no. Let me make it myself clear because clearly you're interpreting things that are inaccurate. We did everything, everything.  He's just worthless completely.  And then just the cherry on top at the end is shocking. Right, cons. Yeah, pretty extreme one here. And yeah, that just ruined. And yeah, was it by this point? I think that we had decided that it had been systematic. Essentially, the assassination of Nick Fury. By this point, every single thing that you could take from the story about him is gone. Like right here, it's done. It's over. All of his past accomplishments were never actually him. All the stuff that he's doing in the present.  We are inventing new things for him that he can be bad for. So, yeah, it's like a three pronged attack temporarily of all of his, you know, failures throughout the timeline. Like Malar was saying, the scene in the train, you can. There's room for interpretation there. And maybe they could have did something with it.  Every single thing of his past is just like he gets no credit for it's crazy. And I say that's why you go ahead. That's why that's why this show annoyed me so much. And a lot of the other remakes and stuff. It's never really bothered me about the original. I've always been able to separate it. It's either a remake or it's there's been some gap. It's a new team coming in. But the fact that they got Samuel L. Jackson to destroy his own character, this destroyed Fury to me from out everything because this is there is no way you can separate this from the other movies will be like, oh, I'll just stop here because it's the same people doing it. You can't take any scene with him serious going forward. And all of his scenes in the past are now damaged. Like that cat thing like what that cat thing and Captain Marvel seems so tame now compared to oh, yeah, no, seriously. What do you mean? It's this is probably the most level humiliation.  I did it actually. Yeah. And I don't you dare pretend anything else? You're like, wow, OK. Like I don't know, like how do you qualify like top tier character assassination? Like, but like for me, Luke and Daenerys are still like my one and two. Like those are like that's where I look as like S tier.  But there's got to be room for people like this where you're still alive.  Every aspect of everything I thought was Nick Fury from his eye to his history to his accomplishments isn't true. It's the thing. The thing that I find interesting in terms of you pointing out those examples is in this case, it's like, dude, it feels like like it was systematic. Like it was it was this. It was almost like it was their goal. It was destroy every facet of Nick Fury.  Yeah, it's really spiteful, too, right?  Like, well, and his wife throw that in there, too. He had his wife and the scrolls.   And that's what they've done.  If anything, he's just a manipulator now. And it's especially weird when they have that library highlights the weirdness of dating someone under his command that she's like, it's OK, though. And he's like, OK, like that, too. It's like, what do you mean? What are we doing? Invent a wife and make him a bad husband. Like it takes five seconds to do these things. Yeah, you and I, it was the other way. You invent a wife to which he was a bad husband. It's incredible. I think in the writer's room, when they were thinking of all the ways to tear him down, one of the guys said, oh, yeah, and we'll make him a bad husband, too. And then I was like, yeah, we just had to get my wife. Yeah, that right of a wife so he could be a shitty husband. I'm on a whiteboard, right?  They put more thought and passion into that than anything in the show. Like it was this clearly a goal. Like how many of this is episode three or something, right? I'm losing track at this point. It's hard not to feel like it was a goal when it's this systematic. I think it's especially going through it slowly. Like that was my thoughts watching it by myself, but going through it now, breaking it down. How quick, like I feel like we can prove it. I can be, there's going to be more reference. I guess the thing is, it's so awkward because it seems like what happens a lot of the time is like, yeah, we're going to knock him down, but we're going to build him back up. And then they forget about that second part.  I love my gear up scenes. I don't need a lot of context to appreciate a gear up scene, but that was, I feel nothing.  It was like a parody.  That thing was in a separate box. I'll put on my boots to kick puppies with. I'll get my guns to shoot my wife. Play the music as well. They play the game. Yeah, the music you said they were playing. That's when, that's the one time I actually do remember it. So I was looking at that clip again. Yeah, I'm real proud of themselves, I think. For anyone wondering, there's no clap back. There's nothing from Fury. He just said, eventually Talos says, why are we stopped? And he says, because we're here, you know, to get Bob, to get the guy who's launching a nuclear attack, unless you want to heal more abuse at me.  Confirms it. Yeah, confirms all of it. There's no reply whatsoever. He doesn't give us any room for another interpretation.   Dude, it's like, it's kind of like in, in, in Quonsimania, when, you know, Scott points out that he saved the world and everybody just starts shitting on him and he just takes it. It's like, come on.  You saved the world. Well, I mean, he's, oh, well, he's, the thing is that he understood it. He saved the universe. He didn't just save the world. He saved the universe. Nah, they're frustrating.  That's the worst part. They never defend themselves. They never, not, they never defend themselves. Dr.  And he just never defends himself or explains his thought process throughout the entire movie. They're always just these, like. He tells Wonder that she's justifiably angry, which is wrong. Oh my God. And then she claps back with a completely non-sequitur response and he just takes it. Yep. Yeah. That holds the game. Becks the question with this, what did he mean by I've been cleaning up your mess for all the decades then? Because it's sounding like he's just lied and that's something that never happened. Yeah. He should have had a rebuttal. Dude, it's clearly there to just set up Talos. That's the only purpose for the line. Give him a lead in. Because it would be unhinged if Talos just started ranting about how important he is into Fury's reputation, you know? It'll be unhinged for Fury to just go, I've been cleaning up your messies for 20 years and Talos is just, when? Like what? What's the thing?  He's like, oh yeah, I was actually entirely wrong in an asshole, I guess. Bye.  That opening line implies that he has at least a side of the story he can add. Give us another version of the events, but it's crazy why open with that.  It's empty.   I don't know why they do this. Didn't Fury have a wife in Winter Soldier? Whether or not there was any reference to a wife in any of the previous stuff, like this woman and where they are so it's all invented in the show.   That was never like in the deal. That was never a part of it. They just decided, yeah, that's what's gonna be thing.  Yeah, and he's just at this point waiting to see how it's gonna pay. Wow, and even with a decade of producer on this too, I think so. Oh, well. The piece of the pie. Maybe when he said he was like relieved to die, he just meant this role.  I just wanna be something else. This is the thing. I think he likes Mace Windu and Nick Fury.  He just wants to have fun playing those roles. I think he actually likes this character. Why wouldn't he? I think he basically just broadly likes doing roles regardless of whether they're in more dramatic roles for, I guess you could say, more serious movies and doing these ones too. You think you'd hang on to something of Fury's character though? You'd be like, you'd think so. That he would have told them like, you've got to wonder, right? If the actors were on set, like, no, they wouldn't do that. Yeah. And what they get told. This is why I am more... He's not be actively destroyed. Like someone you've played over a decade. Yeah, and it's not like he's... It's not like he's dementia-ridden or anything. He's still very coherent. I always appreciate Mark Hamill and even Tamora Morrison, like the few people that actually speak out. And like, remember the Boba Fett quotes from a while back saying how he shouldn't be talking this much? If only that he'd brought it up when filming instead of... I know. He would think they'd have...  That was just sad. Because that's another case of like, you can tell he liked the character and he could have used passion to do something with it, but they just, they don't care. He wasn't even in Mandel Season 3 when he thought he was gonna be sad. Never got the call. Yeah. And I remember being happy to see him in Kenobi as the storm, the broken down clone trooper. Remember that? Yeah. Yeah, like just, there's a lot of potential for what that character is and the role he's had in the story. And they just, they don't see it that way, I guess. Well enough. So, Talos pretends to be the guy they're trying to get to, who obviously like owns all this stuff and is trying to get in. Which I thought was interesting because the scrolls being graphic would be aware that there's an attempt to subvert this. Remember, it's partly a test as well on the part of Fury and Talos. So these guys should be aware, because these are scrolls as well, by the way, this security detail.  Yeah, but nope. They should be aware of the notion of scrolls that would try to, you know, because I mean, the reality is, right, if a million scrolls are on earth, there aren't a million scrolls in that compound. So there's gotta be some out there that might get recruited to help Talos. I didn't realize these guards are scrolls. Yeah, well, when they get shot, they go, they go, they go, they go, they go green.  He's walking up as his cover to this random guard.  And so Talos switches into his regular mode and then attacks him.  What's the point? He's trying to be, he's trying to be cheeky. No, the point is because nanotech helmets rags, but shapeshifters. Yeah, because he should still be in this role, because as soon as he knocks out the guard, if anyone was to come here, cause he says my cover's blown, it's like, no, it's not. All you have to say is this guard, he's like, he's been knocked out. What's going on? Oh, you can say he attacked me. Yep. Anything, you still got cover, but he just says, nah, my cover's blown now. It's like, oh, okay. I guess so. It's fine. If Fury just kills three guards, they're all scrolls. We see Talos note the son is playing, I don't know what game it is, but he's playing a game. And so they ignore him.  I've got him, he's in here. Like, oh, he's captured.  That's right. Nobody not know how. We double checked. That's right. We double checked. And so Nick brings in the guy's son, and then there's a sort of standoff, I guess, but I thought this was interesting. As much as I totally understand the father giving up the position for a son and everything.  Does that ever come into mind? No, because remember, Talos is a weakling. Well, Fury's there though. Yeah. But he knows they still need him for the missile. Yeah, but like after that, or whatever, you know? After that. It just, to me, if I were him, I'd be like, yeah, you've got my son, but you're just going to kill us both if I let Talos go anyway. And then Fury could be like, I haven't got time, but you know, something like that. Somebody just gives him up straight away and I was just like, I don't know. I feel like you've really lost now because they've got full control. Anyway, you know, this situation's going to get real bad soon. There's big old missiles going to cause World War III. Can I just say, ask why they don't phone the plane until it's turned around? I was about to say the exact same thing. Why did it just turn the plane around?  Well, don't understand that. You can't phone a plane. They're too far in the sky. They just have a cell signal. It's too high up. Yeah, planes are moving too fast.  It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, well, you just nitpicking. That's why, yeah. The planes have phones, like, oh man. Airplane mode. It's funny too, because the writers like are struggling here in terms of plot holes, because you have, Yuri just goes, why can't you just turn into that guy and call it off? Or that he's like, because I'd need a code word. You just sort of say that, like, do you know this? What do you know about what is, whatever information you have?  Like, you have him. She wouldn't be the one to call. And you're like, listen, they're about to, she should be invested in this anyway, but she's not. But now you'd be like, listen, we're in the room with him.  We're about to enter World War III. I feel like this is worthwhile because it's one of the good tips of a call. I don't know. Yeah. And then, so Fury says, like, we haven't got time for this and shoots him in the leg. That's nice to see, as long as you didn't shoot him in something super vital in the leg, you know, be careful, aim for the foot, that sort of stuff. That's true.  So be careful. I'm not thinking about in Family Guy when they try to get out of the military and then try to shoot each other in the foot. I am Brian Guest.  Oh, let me see. No, no, you got me. Let me see. So Fury looks like he's going unhinged to Talos. He takes the gun off him and he's like, no, we want you to do this. We'll get the information out of him.  You do too much mercy. I thought, I think we were talking about this when we were watching it, like the sun's gonna come into this, right?  He's gonna put the gun to the sun's head. And he's like, yeah, why would they show the sun in there with the Fortnite or whatever he's playing? And then of course the subversion could be that he really tries, he can't do it.  Like this is right. Some other thing like that, you might be right that. But no, instead, the guy like is taunting Talos when we're literally on a countdown, by the way. This is like seconds away from, you can see it in the screen in the background. Can you see that? Like on the left, it's basically over. It's already in range.   Did you know that?  And I'm like- No one's asking him questions or like hurts him or anyone just sitting there and Fury's kind of like, are you gonna do anything, Talos at any point? Yeah, Fury looks like he's pouting. It makes no sense. Yeah. Like he's got his- He's just like sitting in his little chair.  You'd go and get his son and bring him back in the room. Yeah. So the guy says, traitors are why we've been in exile for 30 years. Is your daughter a traitor too?    And it's like, even if you can kill him afterwards- You're happy to do that right now.  But again, isn't that just fascinating about Talos? It's like, when it comes to saving the world, you know, I can't cross that line. But when it comes to saying things that upset me. Yeah. Exactly. You saw Prince of the World in your time, but you say Gaia and it'll pop you in the chest. And that's what I mean. Like it seems weird that the show would essentially like, kind of, it would get close to going to the ideas. Again, you know, something like 24, right? Where it's like, okay, well, what exactly are people willing to do potentially, you know, to stop threats, to save the world, to protect lives? What are these trade-offs, you know, between essentially consequentialism or, you know, like just principled positions? But the show doesn't really want to deal with that at all. No. Well, if anything, this proves he'd rather save his daughter than 8 billion people. It's insane. It gets upset consistently more so. Yeah, when people say things about his daughter, than when people are actually like about to die. It's crazy. What I liked about Talos was the idea of like one scroll understanding that they have to do this like in a civil manner. Like this isn't their home. They have to, there's gotta be another way. They can't do the path of war.  Like this is just like- Yeah, but he taunted me. It's like, okay. I was like, hey, you can't have that conviction.  And then it gets even crazier because I think this has been written in real time. This is how it looks to me. And it's like the writers were like, okay, so what would be the solution now? What would it be? And then Talos just rings Gaia and says, do you know what the password is? No. Oh yeah. Which makes it pointless of killing that guy in the first place because he's essentially out of there himself. It's, there's a lot to it that's absolutely baffling. She doesn't know the code. What he's asking her to do is find the body of the man that they captured that's down in the basement, read his mind, get all of his memories and then access the password. When it's like, that's not even necessarily gonna work. We don't know when this password is created. And it's more than likely the password is created newly for scroll. He's a scroll. They probably would want a passcode that's like not familiar to everyone else or to his past life or whatever. At least when you set off on a new mission you'd have new passwords. Yeah, so it's like, so this could have just completely, and then she has to beat up two scroll guards by the way which could have gone completely wrong. And then she has to be in the whole area with all of those pod people without getting captured. There's no alerts. She doesn't need keys. She doesn't need access codes herself to get into these things. Health 100, the whole show. And yeah, she just does everything perfectly. And then there's this wonderful moment. You want to talk about it for me? Oh, I'll just throw visuals. So the guy that they're trying to get the information from is in the little memory extracting machine. So as she's, for some reason, she's not just like absorbing them directly from his mind in the way that was shown before. We just like put your hand on that. Which would be faster and more efficient. Yeah. Which could be way faster. She's like going through the machine. And as she's doing it, it's like flashing memories of him, the real guy hanging out with his son.   We don't have lives on scrollers. Like, what did she think was the case? I believe this is supposed to give us reason for why she's going to be hardcore a good guy. And it's like. That's pretty bad. Yeah. She's, she's realizing that humans are people too. Oh my God. And people and I have lines and they're like, are you kidding me?  You just like, come on. In Captain Marvel, they had the same thing, but it was random. So I just, this whole scene, I was thinking, how the hell is she going to find this one code flicking through someone's entire life? Because if that's how it works from that movie.  She wouldn't have stumbled on that randomly. That's not going to happen. It's like even knowing how mentally you do that, how that's a thing you can just do. It's just embarrassing.  So that the girl, the girl's life she took, by the way, I guess had nothing going for her. Well, yeah, like, because you would have taken that person's life and then stolen her memories, but not get any memories of her hanging out with her family or anything. Working at like volunteer work at a homeless shelter. Like, how did it take her this long to realize that human beings are people? It's insane. It's terrible, awful, awful rising. And the point that's being made here is she's on the hook for all of that. She's on the hook still. She doesn't get to escape. It feels like going from this point onward, I think she's she's only got good deeds. And so I think they want us to believe like, yeah, but she's a different person now. She's learned. She's understood.   There are people who have lives as if that wasn't something that she could conclude. How would she not understand this? She's an adult, right? Like she's been there for 30 years. How would she not notice like the concept of father and son? Like it's and Captain Marvel said that they can't remember the memories of the scrolls that they take. And that was the basically the test that they use in that movie. Now it's the complete opposite. So which rules are we even following? I have no idea how these things work. And seems like they actually extract long term memories, which again, she would have had the long term memories of whoever she's impersonating and whose identity she's going to keep forever because I guess there's no ethical considerations as to whether you should still maintain those identities that you took from people without their permission. But they said the exact opposite in Captain Marvel and they want to, they expect this to make sense now. Like I don't even know how to follow it. I guess the only thing you could say is 30 years of technology, but again, that technology was already pretty advanced. They were a spacefaring civilization. So you figured that they wouldn't have figured this out in the last 30 years when they have less resources and are stuck on earth. Had they figured that out within that span of time, that in itself could have been an interesting story. What kind of innovations they made on their own during that time.  Well, I mean, well, we know what one of the innovations is. They've created a machine that can imbue you with the traits that are extracted from other like beings, essentially. And it's going to get worse for me guys. God. Well, yeah, so he gets the code. He goes in and says it all works out. Everything's fine. We came that close to blowing up a UN airship. I don't even know what it was like because I don't think they were that specific about.  There was about to be blown up by Britain. That was a thing that almost happened, but it got called off for the last second. There's only three scrolls on that sub or rather in the control of the sub or whatever. It's just like, how are they not everyone panicking at the fact that we almost launched a missile at that plane that would have caused World War Three? This is insane. The same people, by the way, the British government know about scrolls and that they're infiltrating members of the military to try and cause World War Three. Yeah, like at this point, you guys should be scrambling to verify who's who very quickly. And then we have Olivia Coleman. It's just like, hopefully you guys took care of that. I was busy. They have the worst system on that sub because they need two keys to launch it. But the entire point of two keys is you need two people. And yet they're right next to each other. So the point where he tries to grab both of them and turn them himself right at the end. I do the guys' stairs. Which, by the way, how are they not screwed?  It's like you tried to defy the order. Like you can't, you're stuck here. You're not, you're not getting out of here. Anyway, they're successful, mission aborted and guys heading out of the facility. And she bumps into Gravic.  And I guess there's only one road in and out. So she very cleverly used it instead of finding some other place to secretly get out now that she's like potentially exposed. And I don't know, I think this scene is supposed to be tense. She gets shot and it's like, oh no. Of course she's gonna be back.   If you shoot someone and have Extremis, it goes like, it makes like the searing sound and you can see all the lights and stuff. And all the red stuff creeps out. Yeah, she's clearly dead. He looks at her and he's like, oh well, she's dead. Though I would have, if I were him, shot her 10 times in the face just to make sure. Hey, I'm not grand. I'm surprised not only would he confirm the kill, but he would take the body. Why would he want the body? Yeah, of course. Why would you just leave it out in the road?  You've obstructed my car out of here. Half an hour later.  It's so classic. It's like, can we have it so that she appears dead for a while? I was like, no, that's not how Extremis works. And they're like, can we do it anyway? And they're like, yeah. Okay. I mean, we've already retconned the old movies so whatever. They spoil this plot twist themselves. They released a trailer for the next episode where she's in it going, oh, well, that was quick. Maybe too quick. And you're like, what are you doing? It's your own plot twist. They spoiled it with the trailers showing her in scenes that follow this episode that haven't been shown yet. Yeah. Wow. And then there's this reality of like, I don't trust you guys. Well, the big one is... I believe that you would do this. She hasn't done enough to justify bringing her in yet. You've got a million parts to play a character in a show and you kill her off after three episodes. No way. Though it's to be fair, I didn't realize what they were going to do with that character. No, I had no idea they were going to do that. Nobody did. Nobody did. So Fury's GF is ordered or wife, whatever, is ordered to...  That's her command from graphic. I never get over this because the whole show plays with this. They even point this out at one point. Why are you so bad at killing Fury when it's so easy?  And like the implication is that Gravic doesn't want to kill him. And if you remember in episode two, I think he said never give a man what he wants in the relation to killing him. But then he orders his death with several assassins. And then he says after this that he still needs him. It's like, I have no idea what you're doing, Gravic.  It's like, okay, so what's going on? Why didn't Rody just kill him? Why did anyone just kill him? He's a useless old man who wheezes on the benches. Oh, don't even get started on that, Jesus. Well, that's the end of episode three. All right. Halfway there.  We have more than halfway, luckily. Yeah. But we've covered a lot of things. Like episode one was like a double dip almost. I feel like we covered so many things. Yeah. We had to establish a lot. Establishing grounds, yeah. But with that one, we'll have to say goodbye to Disparu, who's probably trying to go to sleep at a reasonable time as well, potentially. Always attempting, I need to ease and everything.   So it was all but useless anyway. Well, it was nice to meet you. Because I'm donating like first time meeting you here. So yeah, you like your video, secret man. Awesome stuff.  Have you been covering secret wars, secret and Marvel? Oh. Yes. Marvel, secret Marvel hidden at the same time. Secret Marvel. But yeah, I did the reviews for this. It was some of the worst, like to actually get through. It was weird because it taught me the shortest amount to record. And I still release them later because I kept walking away from my computer. I couldn't focus. It was at least the other reviews have been fun. This wasn't fun. What do you think the reason is for that? Is it because you were quite invested in Nick Fury particularly? I like Fury as a character. Yeah. And there's an element where something gets so bad it's actually entertaining. That was Willow. Willow was genuinely funny at times, but it was not taking itself seriously. This was like, it's bad, but there's no kind of... It was competently filmed and put together, but the script writing was trash and it's using characters that I like. And it was just kind of hateful the entire way through. I feel the exact same way where it's just like She-Hulk was so ridiculous that you can actually poke fun of it. Same with Boba Fett, but this reminds me of Kenobi where I'm just kind of pissed off.   I know exactly what you mean. Yeah, and She-Hulk and Willow were trying to be comedics. So there was an element of... Them trying to be funny and not being funny was funny in itself kind of thing and you could make jokes about it. There was no entertainment or humor to be found in this. Yeah, this is supposed to be a drama. Except when you deserve that smoke. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think... Like, yeah. Other than episode six, I didn't really laugh at anything, but just nothing enjoyable, man. Really, really, really missed the show. The finale where he's just screaming at him was the worst. I think I resorted to just screaming back at the screen in the review. And he suddenly dying... I'm just like, proof he's a scrawl! He's suddenly dying of lung cancer.  Like, yeah, God. That's why I call it that since you're leaving. I have no idea why they suddenly had him coughing up his lungs out of nowhere when that was the only part of the show. There's so many things to do with that. I can't wait to talk about it. This show has plenty of surprises left. Oh, yes, it does. At least beyond all comprehension. That's for disparate. Thank you so much for joining us here. It was always a pleasure whenever you do. And I'm sorry you had to suffer through secret invasion. Again. But hey, totally the best. It's a lot more entertaining going through with people than it is on your own. And it's just you and that for hours. But yeah, it's always fun, guys. Thanks for having me on. Yes, man. Catch you around. Catch you later, dude. Bye. See you later. Episode four, if everybody is ready. Yeah, I am ready. Please. They give us like a set of flashbacks. Like, by the way, we didn't show you this, but she stole the personality of Science Lady. She then went to the machine to operate it fully and got herself the powers that Gravit currently has, including Extremis. I'm actually not sure if she got more because we never see her use anything more than Extremis. But if you see on this... If they use the same one, it should be the same ones he had. So she probably has group power, too. On this screen, you can see Extremis. And then underneath this is Frostbeast and underneath that, Cull Obsidian. So I assume she's got them all. She got the same ones. We just never see it.  Extremis, power transfer, healing abilities, heat strength, 100. Yeah, what does that mean?  You figure that they might nerf it a little bit, right? So it's like, it's not 100% effective. It's not exactly the same. Yeah, like the more we combine, the less powerful they are. Yeah, exactly. But they're only ever going to be like the fraction of the original. What I'm talking about is like the complications of a scientific sort of addition to your genome being Extremis would not be boiled down to healing abilities and heat strength. Yeah, like what does that even mean? Healing abilities and heat strength, 100%. What does that mean? It's like a biological fact, I suppose you could say. It's like, well, we don't know what else to put on there. And it's like, I know, that's what I'm pointing at. I know you don't, yeah. You just hope you won't read it. Absolutely. I think they don't want people to read it, yeah. EFAP is read like this because they wrote it out, you know, it's all there. Yeah, that is the scroll version of her, presumably, but I don't know if she ever actually got in the makeup. I don't think so. But why would she instantly turn back into someone who is her? They do it quick, too. Nanotech helmets of shapeshifters. They do not want her being a scroll, you know? It really feels like they're showing her off, right? It's like, look, it's a meteor clock. Look, look, look, it's like, you have loads of famous people. But like, why did you get her for this role then if you wanted to do that? Why would you get her for a role that would be the least appropriate to have the same person playing the character? None of us thought out. So we begin the episode with a good old flashback to just post-Avengers time. It's just after it. And if there's anything I can trust, it's a flashback. Yeah, every time these start up, you're like, oh boy, what are we destroying this time? What lies are you preparing to tell me? Trying to gaslight me? She just says, as I saw them all saving the world, I had a feeling someone had something to do with it. Someone getting them together. And if he's the man I think he is, he has a powerful sense of righteousness. He understands the universe is dangerous and home is worth fighting for and that the weak are worth protecting.  All the horrible dialogue that just tells you explicitly what everyone's feeling, whether or not it makes any sense at all. The whole point of this writing thing is to hide that element. You're supposed to make us like not notice just what you think about whatever. Well, you're meant to make us buy into this as like a real exchange between people. Yeah. Create the illusion, but they just can't do that.  Just need to update you as fast as possible. No elegance to it. And she says she's reading some Raymond Carver and some of his poems are three or four lines. And then Fury is like, oh, do you have a favorite? And she says, late fragment. And he says, well, how's it go? And she says, actually, it's a conversation. It was a really weird line. It's weird. Because he doesn't correct him on anything. He just said, how's it go? How's it go? Oh, no, no, no, actually it's a conversation. Conversations don't go. Yeah. I can believe how someone in the MCU might not think that conversations like go.   Who knows? But either way, it doesn't feel genuine. It just feels like I'm sitting there like, get to the point. What's it going to be? Yeah, tell me what the thing is. I said out loud, I'm like, man, this is going to take forever, isn't it? I would have rather it just be a poem.  Yeah. Well, all that's said, she says, the one thing she wants in life is to call herself beloved and to feel herself beloved. And it's like, okay. That was all that build up for that, like all this hype. That's not half of half of how interesting as you think it is. Yeah, yeah. I thought they had a banger. It's kind of with noting, we're already like a fifth of the way through. Wow. Thank God. It gets short. I get real short. Which is good. So, Rody's threatening her.  You fuck? She says Fury was fired, by the way. And then Rody says, how? Which was confusing for a second. So I was like, you fired him, didn't you? But the point is, he's supposed to be sort of figuring out what she knows. And she said, President Ritzen must have done it. And he says, no, I did it. Ritzen doesn't do anything unless I tell him to. And I was just like, when did this happen that the president only had one advisor and he did everything he said? When was that a thing? Since when was Rody Greema Wormtongue? Yeah. Yeah, that's another thing they invented. Like, well, I don't know. And again, it's just like, you get pulled out. You're supposed to not exist, my lord. You get yanked out every once in a while because like, Rody's just telling us that's how it is. And that's the writer telling us how it is. It's like, we have all that under control because I decided this character does this. And you're like, all right, fine. The same as everything else, I guess.  And it turns out Fury is eavesdropping on the whole thing. I don't, because we do find out this is not something she knew. I guess he bugged her. And so this should be pretty like shocking to discover, I'd imagine.   He doesn't really care, though. He just slouches in his seat. Yeah, he doesn't really care, I guess. Oh, and by the way, it's been a while since we've had one of these, but she's another character to do it.  I'm trying to find him. He's so shit, don't worry about him. We don't even need to kill him. He's trash now, he's- Yeah, she says. You're very bad. It's almost worse than that. She says the old Fury, the one with power, the one with ability, the one who was indispensable to us, he's gone. The new one will be dead from exhaustion and defeat suited of. That was the one.  Would you add that with all the other lines? Yeah, is this a fetish? The thing about it is, someone would try to argue, it's like, don't use, get it, she's saying that because she's trying to convince him not to kill him.  Everybody, the villains, the heroes, all of them. Yeah, so. Oh, and there was a guy at a bar. There was a really awful line that was clearly posing as a cool line from Rody. I don't know if you guys remember, but this is the shot you get for it. And he says, if you keep telling me what you're not gonna do, I'm gonna show you what I am gonna do. Appreciate line. That's, yeah. That is a very- It's the clunkiest motherfucking line. Why don't you- We need to refine that a lot.  That needs so much help. Try again. It actually feels like if there was a road equivalent of that, it would just be going up, down, left, like it would break dimensions.  And then as a writer, you think, oh, how can I refine this and polish this and make it short and quippy?  Next, next, whatever. How come he didn't say either you show me what you can do or I'll show you what I can do or something like that? It's already cleaner. It's quicker. If you don't act, I will. Oh, God, we're getting small. Turns out the quicker and smaller the line, likely the better it is. Like that just- Exactly! Often how it goes.  It is very bad. These are all variations of like, you choose or we will. It's as simple as that. Yeah, yeah. Either you do it or we'll do it. So, so simple. And yet what did they end up with? If you keep telling me what you're not gonna do, I'm gonna show you what I am gonna do. What did they get left? How did you get it that long?  That's like the intoxicated version of that line. You just told me what you're gonna do and I'm gonna show you what I can be doing if you, yeah. Yeah, that line- Oh, God, are we in a church? We're leaving the bar. But not like in Disney. How'd we get in here? So, before leaving for the next mission, Gravix says remember, we want them to think that we're the Russians, so make it loud and big like Russians would. What? Russians love it big and loud. It's so funny. You know those Russians. You know the Russians, man. That's how we'll convince everyone. Remember, only Russian. Yeah, it's the officer, right? There's gotta be some Russian MCU fan that's just like, fuck, has to roll his eyes through. Yeah, definitely. He's like, they don't know me, yes. Remember, no English. I do love it big and loud, yes. No Skrull. Remember, guys, if you get shot, die. Don't turn into a Skrull. I turn into a Skrull. Hold it in as you go to the other side. Yeah, it's like clenching your butt cheeks so you don't make a turn back to a Skrull. Like, sir, what if one of us gets injured or killed? We're just going to be Skrulls. It's like, no, you're right.  You'll just be piles of flash. It'll be fine. No, it'll tell. No sense at all. So we got our father daughter scenes. Great. He says, I shouldn't have forced you into this. And she says, I don't need a Skrulls, by the way, before we continue. Oh, yeah, they're both Skrulls. In person, if they both got to appear as Skrulls, wouldn't that be like meaningful to them? Yeah, because not only are they not Skrulls. Random humans. They keep choosing these humans, though.  Wouldn't that be meaningful? But they don't want to do the makeup, I guess.   But I guess you can give it room that he's her dad. You know, maybe that's something he would say, which is kind of annoying. But then she, and she's doing the thing and it's so sad to see it because at this point it's all you get. She's like, I don't need a sorry for what I did of my own free will. Warring! Warring! Amelia Clark plank delivery. I'm sorry, I don't know what else to call it at this point. This is strong female writing. Well, strong female acting too. Like, she wants to be stone faced, but it makes it so that she's like no emotion. And we've seen it with Sarah Connor with that. What the, was it Kira from solo? I think her name was Kira. And then, you know, Daenerys, it's not like that started becoming a problem.  You glares at people and says, I don't think you should overstep your place. It just took you like, yeah, yeah, I got it.  It's like this blueprint they tapped into I would like to know what this woman could do other than Daenerys, Targaryen, over and over and over again. Cause I think she could do other things, but they, ugh, it's an annoying typecast. See, like, look at her eyebrows. She's capable of more. She could do more. Look at the move. Fuck. They don't let her, cause they got one job they wanted to do. Too busy being strong.  But I'm like, yes, eyebrows, that's the shot right there.  She says, have you got a plan to get the scroll to home because Gravic has a plan and he's implementing it and it works. It works. Blowing up the planet works. Blowing up all of earth works.  Killing billions of people, destroying all of the planet's infrastructure. That plan works for you, does it? It's so insane. It's like, do the writers know what she just said? That his plan works. Maybe she's sad that it works and is effective. She's saying that you need to come up with a plan that works because his does not work. This doesn't work. It literally doesn't work in terms of what you want to achieve. It's deeply immoral. Yeah, something that they've now declared that she would be very much against.  Yeah. Didn't she just have a change of heart when she realized fathers have sons? Well, that's the point of this scene, is to point out that Talos, whatever, he's not done a good enough job in response to graphics.  Exactly. He's an illusion. Yeah, he's delusional for you. He's delusional. Apparently, the idea that a large number of scrawls find that uncompelling, competitive, new to the planet. Like, come on. What do you want people to think about the scrawls? What do you want people to think? Yeah, because you showed us that she snapped out of the evil scrawl crew by seeing a normal person doing normal things. Like, do they all need that moment? Do they all need to see humans play with children? They all need that moment to recognize that human beings are like them and that they have lives and care about people. I guess they don't have TV. They're live and lead them. Yeah, these guys are living in a box. I just don't understand. They're not exposed. Well, yeah, like, what does it look like when they watch a sitcom, you know? They're like, ah, these foolish humans don't care about anything. They didn't explore anything.  Why are they believing this guy? Like, there's a story there. They just skipped it. They skip everything. He says, we have to deal with reality. We have to rely on the goodwill of our hosts. They're going to see us for who we are. And I think he says, like, good people, whatever. And she says, you're delusional. That's not who we are. And it's not who I've become. Boring.  She's doing the I'm evil thing, but obviously she won't be because she's just sad and confused, but also doing her. I'm a mean old Mr. Fishnchips person. I know she seems really old like this. You should be what, like in her 40s? Yeah, like you're not. You shouldn't be like discovering your own like basic fan foundational morality. Because the character that she's playing was a kid in the nineties. So she's she's like, got to be in her like 40s at this point. Right? At least minimum. I have no idea, but probably yeah. Well, she's got a lot to learn about humans. How hard is it to figure this out?  How do you figure that out in your big epiphany and then say this line in the next scene? Like, make your mind what she wants. That's not who I've become is like, what are you? What are you talking? What are you?  What are you doing? What's happening? Why would you say that to your dad? What? I guess it's because she hasn't completed an arc yet of realizing that maybe he has a point that you need to like actually prove to people that you're good. Maybe he has a point.  Yeah. Yeah. Yes. So.  The wife is coming back home and she realizes the ring has not been picked up even though Fury is here. And remember when we were watching this? I was like, so Fury's a scrawl. This isn't actually Fury because he's already gone over all of this. They're supposed to pick up the ring and then she tells him and he's like, oh, must have forgotten.  He's got to be a scrawl. He's not. That's not the point of this scene. We don't even think that's a possibility. Because I'd be embarrassed to be in the same room with him at this point. Yes. But there's no thought of that. There never is. We randomly remember that the two that just had that conversation, one of them could be an enemy scrawl. They don't even know. Not. Well, yeah, exactly. Because again, that's not your daughter. That's some other woman. You don't know that. The only way that a scrawl would know is presumably scrawls can't impersonate other scrawls. I guess that's some limit on them. Oh, why? I don't know why that would be the case. If you can assimilate entirely foreign alien beings, presumably you'd be able to impersonate people that are very similar to you anatomically. How would you be able to evolve that characteristic if you couldn't use it on your own? So the reality is it might be a problem with the scrawls is that they can't even recognize themselves. But these identities are not you. The show doesn't seem to understand that. It occasionally does. But it's like, these aren't them. They're different people. They never addressed that. Well, they can't even do tier one, which is just, you might be a scrawl now that I haven't seen you for a day. They can't even do that. So yeah, if you're in here, have a serious little chat. He says that of all my mistakes in my life, you're the greatest. I lost all my reason to be your husband, ignored every signal that screamed stop.  And I don't know. So you're just confining himself to die here? Seemingly?  He says, this is pretty bad. So she had a friend who had a heart defect and she kept it a secret from her family, the friend. And then this scrawl here would visit that person every day. And at some point had to acknowledge that I can't believe it. I was about to say this straight up as if like you guys don't need a warning everyone. This is about to get really weird.  She says at some point I had to acknowledge that I needed a face that could slip your defenses. She says that to Fury. I needed a black face? I don't know what she means by that exactly. No idea. But the implication I'm getting is that she needed to find someone that she believed could seduce, I need to seduce Fringy, Fury. To seduce Fringy. So Fringy, you like it?  Like I was looking for the face you see now because I wanted to like trick you into marrying me. I needed that to happen. You're just like, oh. Okay. Like that's a really strange thing to admit to and it's not even, it keeps going. Oh yeah, this is new. It gets more disturbing. It gets more disturbing than this. Well, so the first, like what do you say back to that? It's like you could choose millions of things. Nick says, ah, playing the long game on me, huh? As opposed to, oh my God. Wow, you took that well. Wow. It's okay. She has, she's like, oh. He wasn't paying attention. Oh, you took that well, moving on then. And to that, he says, she says don't do that, Nick.  She said to the lady in the hospital, do you wanna fall in love? And the lady in the hospital of course said, how? And then the scroll said, oh, let me tell you about Nick Fury. Now, the implication we're supposed to buy is that she explains, I'm gonna take your appearance and I'm gonna go date Nick Fury. Somehow this translates into, do you wanna fall in love? I need your face to seduce him. Actually, like what in the fuck? There's a complete disconnect there, but continue. If it's not bad enough, she says, you can only take my whole life with three conditions. Condition one, bury me at sea, Ash's topsy-turvy. Okay. Sure, fine, I guess, yeah. And then condition two was a beard daughter to her parents. That's like, oh, what the, that immediately just, that's the one, like what?  It's like, so don't let her parents know she died and instead assume her identity and pretend everything's fine. But wasn't this person in the hospital like dying? Yeah, she kept it a secret apparently, no one knew, which I don't buy at all, but okay. Don't buy it all? Well, because then officially she has to get rid of the body, replace her and then recover from this dilapidating fatal injury or whatever it was. Well, and whenever they try to draw blood, it turns purple.  What actually happened is she probably killed that woman and took her appearance. That makes way more sense. That's probably what happened. Ash is lying. But it's just like, that's creepy. Well, last condition, this is the final part of it. This is a condition from the woman who's dying in the hospital. The third condition is don't hurt Nick Fury. All of this is just like, really, really.  It's not nonsensical and weird. Did she just tell this woman about Nick Fury? Yes, she literally just mentioned him. Now she's like never heard him. It's like, why is that your condition? Why would she? This guy sounds nice, promised never heard him. And why would she extract any value like, ah, yes, I will be loved after I'm dead by somebody who isn't me but stole my identity? Well, I didn't steal one, I guess, if you gave it to her, but you know. The implication is that nobody shoots each other in the scene. One, because Fury loves her and two, because she promised she wouldn't hurt Fury to this dying person to even know Fury was that she stole the life of.  Why should we take any of this as sweet or romantic? It's just horrible. All of it's horrible. It's not romantic, it's creepy. It really is creepy. She just explained that she planned to fall in love with Fury. Yeah. So Fury should be feeling very betrayed, not like, ah, yes, we are kindred spirits. It's like, no, you deceived me.  That's just gross. And the thing is that in a better show, it could be recognized as like, oh my God, that's terrifying, but like the show doesn't. It's not smart enough to notice that. Yeah, the show doesn't know what's happening. It's chill. It doesn't even read anything. It's pretty chill. They think that was sweet. They think that was sweet. And like, this is a meaningful conversation. But I was just like, what? You're living her life for her now? Like you're not going to elaborate on that? Oh, I mean, the idea of like getting a shapeshifting alien to pretend to your parents that you didn't die. Yeah. How long? What's the deal here? That's so strange. How many people are manipulating her family, Fury? Like everyone she's ever known.  No. I couldn't pay attention to anything as they set up for that. I was just like, yeah, this lady's, that's messed up. You guys, it's all horrendous and horrible.  Like, are you kidding? Oh yeah, because something that happened is that before they do the simultaneous shooting at each other, they do a callback to the poem that was introduced, what, 10 minutes earlier in the episode? What a meaningful callback. Like, oh yeah, that's an amazing callback that is. It's something that was set up 10 minutes ago in the episode. That's not how callbacks work. You can set it up for 10 minutes beforehand. They think because it's a flashback, that's enough. There's enough 10 minutes. That counts. Exactly. Well, they set it to each other in 2012. That's when they set it. It's technically, it was ages ago. Yeah, that's so long ago. We've been building this up for that long. That's what that means. And as a... That's the opposite of what you want to achieve with a set up.  See? As that kindred spirits. Because, you know...  Like, because the other would like, abes properly. One of them misses and one of them shoots.  What if one of them missed on purpose and the other one was trying to hit but like missed accidentally? Yeah. Nick Fury's probably got pretty bad depth perception, right? Like he only has one working eye. Look at this. Does this not look like the... I mean, Fury's, I think looks like it'll miss. Who's doesn't? No, wait, what? But why do this? Oh, look, they shoot exactly at the same time to the same millisecond. It looks like she's missing by the way. Yeah, I can buy Fury's misses. I don't buy that who's missed. No. Yeah, she's pointing right at him. It's a point, yeah. Point right at him. Yeah, he did. He died. Which, by the way, this wouldn't have been hard to film.  That would have been a really awkward end to Nick Fury, wouldn't it? Yeah. But he would have been happy. My view seems like this.  Like, we know, like...  What's the point of even pretending that that might happen? Well, I mean, he's in all the trailers for the Marvels, so it'd be kind of weird. Yeah. The ultimate one is the Chewie in Solo.   Oh, I was thinking about it. I was thinking about it in the Rise of Skywalker. Which one? Well, Rey blew up Chewie. Oh, my God! Yeah, that one. That was the one thing. Yeah, that was the one thing. Consequences. One chance for there to be actually, like, answers. And it's like, it's the most interesting thing that ever happened to Rey. And they just like, nah, in the very next scene, he's alive. I couldn't believe they did it. It's so weird, isn't it? Another funny film. That's why, at the very end, Rey says to that old lady in the desert, my name is Rey Chewbacca. Oh, my gosh.  Rey Bacca. Just, uh... Just talk, just talk about Rey.  And he says, guess I'll never know, or guess we'll never know. It takes a long time before he says that.  We can't do that payoff yet, okay? We've got to wait. But, like, as if he would say anything other than, like, of course I would love you. I'd love you no matter what.   You don't even...  Oh, yeah. And then they just casually do this. And it's kind of funny. I think the implication here is it's a lady scroll who's, uh, uh, Rody. That looks like a lady scroll to me. Hmm. I 100% thought that was a girl. But I guess it doesn't really make a difference, right? No, it doesn't. Well, it doesn't make a difference. Scrolls can change it into anybody. Writing-wise, but, man, that must be, that must feel weird, I imagine, you know. Yeah, why would it? So, yeah, to make Rody, he doesn't have a bigger twist? What was the point of that? Scrolls can change it into anybody. Sorry. No, I said that already. I'm saying it must be weird. Oh, yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe. I don't know if it's like you get different, uh, things to work with, you know. Switching back and forth, I wonder if... I wonder if that scroll lady has a preference. You'd have a lot of insight to be able to talk about, you know, how things work, how things go. But yes, that's the really overt confirmation. But I mean, you could already have picked it up. And they, uh... Would you say that's the best shot that we got of a scroll in the season? Like transformation or...? Yeah, I think we got it. No, I don't know. That was pretty quick. The thing is, is a Captain Marvel has like one that's actually like pretty detailed. And that's like the only time that they've ever... Captain Marvel is just way better. That's what I'm saying, is I don't think that there are any in this that I would consider good. They're all like way too quick. They, they, it's the same with the nanotech where they do it so quick that it's like they kind of cheating it almost feels like. You don't even get a chance to really explore the pace and, you know, like... Yeah, they do it so quick that they don't have to actually like do, you can make it super flupy and not look good. And you could pause on like any of those frames and it's probably going to look really terrible. And it's like, yeah, they rely on it going by so fast that you can't pick up any details. I don't know. It's just the decisions they make. Like, um, you remember that with the random mando episode in the middle of Boba, where he was like going through the, he was in the, he was in that random area after the dropping off the bounty and he was in the elevator with that really cool looking alien. You remember that? Yes, I do. I just remember specifically thinking, man, that alien actually looks really cool.  It's like, where did the money go? I still want to see the spin-off show with the train alien, the big guy. He doesn't talk much. So I'm waiting for him. We'll get it one day, I'm sure. I want the spin-off for that. That too. Big room mates. So, uh, yeah, we got another cringe scene. Fury's broken into Rody's apartment. Scrawl-D. And they get another wonderful line. By the way, you could collect these in the shows, so many of them.   Who, what the hells? Right next to each other.  One dude.  Didn't have him say what the heck. One second, I want to do it, go on. What the heck? What in the heck?  I just want to compliment. Even if it's the Scrawl, get in the credit. I want to compliment his place. I like the black and gold. So that was my only compliment for this scene. It's not even his place though, right? It's like an apartment he's got. A hotel. It is a hotel. So good job, hotel. They get the credit. See, the show's not worthless. There was a nice hotel room. It was about it. I want to compliment. So Fury says, we brothers are going to stick together. We've got to settle our beef like proper gentlemen. And then he offers him a drink and he's like, should I be considerate of poison? He says, no, nano-trackers. And they both laugh. And the meme is that he's actually put nano-trackers in there. It's not a joke. Which, again, Scrawl Roadie should be aware of because Scrawl Roadie's been around in the era of nanotech.  Why would you drink a drink he's giving you? Even if you didn't know about nanotech, you just don't drink that drink.  It's a meme. I've got literally nothing to gain from this. Nope, exactly. Just pour it out and then get another one.  From you? Maybe a whole bottle. Geez. He doesn't take a breath mint after this scene. He goes straight to a superior officer. And there's a line. Fury wants him to take the drink.  We're just like... I assume he didn't actually take that seriously. That's a good thing. I'd better drink it, otherwise, you know, I've wasted some really good alcohol.  Strangled. Yeah, it's dumb, but the next huge important scene doesn't happen unless Roadie drinks that.  You could just keep an eye on him in general. You could do anything. But whatever, he drank a tracker.  Kind of strange.  Also, this is like a funny tech thing. He pulls out a USB, puts it into his laptop and presses one button, and then it just plays the video. Like, what button did you press? In the VLC button. Yeah, VLC play. You know what I'm saying? Play pause function, yeah. But like, you can see him, I think it's one of the F buttons. Or is it, no, it could be a skit, ooh. It looks like it's Caps Lock. Oh, it's not the top, bro. That would be the F keys and everything, right? He goes down to there. It literally, it might be an S, it's how we know. It's like S or D. That looks like a no beauty. That looks like a no beauty. You know, like, what button did they say that he should press? They're just like, press any button, that's fine. Oh yeah, sorry, tab, not Caps Lock. Caps Lock's under the tab, right? I don't think he pressed it. It looks like tabs there. That looks like tab, yeah. A goodbye tab, because the F keys are a bit above that, right? Or maybe...  That would have looked more fancy. I think an ARS. I think it's too far to the left to be ARS. I think it's too far to the right to be tab. Well, so I think I'm wrong anyway about tab, because if he's got an F key layer, then it would be the numbers key, so he's hitting like, he'd be hitting like one. Like a Q or W? Or one, maybe? Yeah, maybe.  There's no button on you. This doesn't work this way. Secret government keyboard. Yeah, I wouldn't, it's a Tony Stark laptop. It does everything you want just by pressing a button. It reads your mind. Why not just actually have it, you know, have a little bit of realism. Have it actually linked to the TV, because that's a real thing of technology that we can do. And then just be like, oh yeah, then you just do the thing and you play it. And then the camera there records it. You could literally have done a voice comment. He just says, play clip one, and that's it. Boom, done. Yeah, play clip. It's like when they were demoing the Kinect, it's like Xbox to that. It's like when they're playing Mass Effect 3, and this is the best way to play. It's like, we are a like Stasis of Singularity. Oh, this is amazing. It's way better than just pressing two buttons. Just won't get incredibly annoying very quickly. Yuri says, you and I both know that's Gravic. And then Rody says, that's gonna be your defense in court. No, Your Honor, it was a six foot tall, bold, black, one-eyed extraterrestrial.  Well, yeah, because the suggestion is like, that's all an alien, what you're seeing on the screen. I guess, but I mean, Rody, as far as a human Rody, not Skrull Rody, would he know who Gravic is at this point? You know what I mean? It's like Gravic. And then he's like, oh yeah, shape-shifting alien. It's like, I didn't say that, I just said it's Gravic. You don't know who that is. You know what I mean? How would he have just jumped to that conclusion if he still believed that Fury didn't know that he was a Skrull? You know what I mean? I honestly find it hard to track who thinks what everyone knows at any time sometimes. They really rely on that vagueness of, you know, you could always sort of rely on, well, maybe they know, maybe they don't know. Who knows? Well, my job here is done as a writer. Well- Because if the Nick thing was supposed to clue him into it, then he should technically know during the scene, but there's no tell for that. It seems like he has no idea until the end. Well, and this is a dumb appeal anyway, because yeah, he says this like it's an impossibility that anyone could be impersonating Fury when we've seen it several times. I don't know. That was part of the intelligence of Rody in the interview that he went in with those countries. I thought the point was like, yeah, this can be doctored. This can be faked. We know many, but now he's like, nah, Kourt would never believe that. Oh my God. So that line was such a good line, probably one of the better lines. And it's kind of like now ruined by this stupidity. It's like he wouldn't, why would he say this? He explicitly mentions a court and it's like we've had a court case involving a shapeshifter in this universe recently. That's the civil war, the fact that it was something as simple as makeup and the black widow veil thing. There's three. There's three. There's just no excuse for them to be prepared for scrolls. It's just great. In any sense. They don't care. That's just only some explanation. And then Rody says, don't you worry. I'll have every video I've made, every copy, including this one remaining under wraps, but I can't have you running around spouting wild conspiracies or breaking in here. And then he says, but I can't have the rest of this drink because it is fire.  That's such a... Oh my God. That's disgusting! That's a倒 thing. Yeah, it's fire. You gotta water it so I can see him. Where is he?  That drink is fire. Fire. Wow. So.