Thank you. Welcome to another episode of DMTV. Tonight we will show you how dreams are being prepared. People think it's a very simple and easy process, but you need to mix up everything. Songs, music, random thoughts, love, relationships, friendships, all those ships. And if there is one person who knows very well about all those ships, it is Gael Garcia Bernal. Welcome Gael. Hey, hello. Hello. It's so nice to see you. You've got such a fresh name. How did they do it? How did they do it besides the sleep? Besides the sleep, it's been a month. I've been sleeping and dreaming a lot recently. And I've got to say this because this is the only place to begin nowadays. I mean, we know in all this one automatic conversations with all friends and family and everyone.  I still don't understand the term maybe because I wasn't born like English, not my first language, but self-isolate in a way which fortunately we can do with other people as well.  It's been a lot of dreams and also of reality, of reality being more real than ever before. I have to mention that a couple of days ago, a dear colleague of mine, a friend-actor called Mark Bloom, died from coronavirus complications in New York. And, you know, one wakes up from the dream space where we can, you know, we can probably biologically even solve certain things in our biochemistry in a way. And we wake up and we are faced with, you know, with good things, with life, with birds, with the clean air. But at the same time, we're faced with this reality that hits us very hard, like hearing the passing of a very dear friend or someone that is close to you or someone having real complications that span beyond health.  Yeah, I mean, I fully agree with you. I mean, it's a, first of all, it's a total privilege to be able to talk to you. And thanks to coronavirus, actually, we are getting together again. So, not necessarily, not necessarily the virus is an enemy, I think it depends on us how we react to it.  I'm lucky enough, I'm in Vienna at the moment, you know, there is this old saying, I think it's ascribed to Karl Kraus, which says, if the world is going to end, go to Vienna, because there is going to end 10 years later. Well, the situation here is serious. I mean, I'm in self-isolation, how they call it now for what, 14 days, a bit more, I think. The whole country is a lockdown, borders are closed, me and then the other people cannot really return to their own countries. But at the same time, you know, this old saying that go to Vienna and it will happen in 10 years, this is not anymore true, you know, you can see what happened in Wuhan. It's now happening in other cities, maybe not in the same way. But what I read from the newspapers is that some doctors are very worried that Mexico might be turning into a new Italy.  Can you perhaps tell us, you were in Mexico at the moment, what does the situation look like in Mexico? Oh, I know. No, but it is the very difficult thing to, I mean, the very complex thing to talk about, of course, because, you know, like on a recent interview from the representatives of the World Health Organization here in Mexico, they were saying that obviously the, you know, the recipe, the perfect recipe doesn't exist. So it's how to approach this, how to solve this immediately. Yes, there are great examples of places that have, you know, managed to, you know, to interact positively with their context and actually achieve some goals. I mean, Italy is an extreme example of action taken way beyond the expansion from what I've heard or read, the expansion of the virus in a typical pneumonia, you know, that were happening in the hospital.  And in that sense, Mexico is taking action before that. And the action is more similar, because we have to say it is more similar, it is not the same, of course, because it is a very different context. But it is more similar to what South Korea in a way is doing, aside from the testing, whatever, you know, the kind of thing. Basically, I mean, let's take into account that Latin America as a whole, we're more used to this, let's say, yeah, from disasters to viruses. And I'm not bragging about it. I mean, it is not nothing to brag about, of course, but at the same time it gives us a certain kind of, you know, an approach like another type of resilient approach, which forces us to engage with the context in a much more, you know, much more thorough way in a way, and also trying not to panic at the beginning, because of course we feel the fear everybody is afraid of this. But you know, this has been kind of with communication and with information we've managed to understand it a little bit more. So, those are the two extremes I've been seeing in Latin America, or I'd say in the Western world I've been taken. Two extremes out of three, the third one I'll mention it afterwards, but the two extremes are what Mexico is doing, which is a much more, you know, information kind of, you know, maybe like tacitly saying, you know what, if you feel a little bit bad, maybe you have it, isolate. Let there's no point of, it's no point of testing, let's act like we all have it, or like we all could get it. So let's just stay home, which is basically ultimately, you know, what solve things really I mean that some say the testing and isolating and kind of finding out where the hotspots are or whatever, but you know, to take action really straight on is to say, okay, let's all go home, you know, for the moment. And the other extreme would be what Argentina is doing, which is basically, Argentina is taking very strict measures that are in a way locking up the country in many ways, which are really, really, some of them really hardcore, like, like not even allowing Argentinians to go into Argentina right now, until the 31st of March, apparently. And obviously this leaves many people stranded and this is kind of unusual to hear about, you know, your own country not letting you in is quite an extreme thing, no. But, you know, at the same time, those two points of view are really valid in this situation. I mean, valid in the sense that they have arguments for and against those. Obviously, as time evolves, we'll see how things kind of, you know, evolve or hopefully naturally may become better. The third example of what the Western world is taking is the example of Boris Johnson, Trump and Bolsonaro, what they're doing, which is kind of ridiculous. It's like, you know, it's when we're like in a Miss Universe agent, when they ask a Miss Universe agent, like, how would you solve world peace or whatever, you know, and the answer is, actually, the answers are far much more thorough and much more interesting than what Trump or Bolsonaro or Boris Johnson would answer, you know, and immediately there is a much more, I don't know, there is a thorough approach in a way.  But yeah, so that's more or less how I'm seeing things in terms of in Latin America, you know, and this is what we're debating all the time. One angle wants much more harder, you know, strenuous decisions and the other wants a much more information, more lax kind of approach, which I mean, you know, there is this thing in the there is this thing that I started to listen to your other interviews and your other programs, your other editions of the of the MTV is that, you know, I've heard a lot this position of the doctors making the most horrendous and tragic and and the cruel decision is to say who lives and who doesn't, which perhaps is something that happens naturally in hospitals most of the time. No, I mean, at the end, we established this position of the hospital, and there is that point of saying, okay, who's going to live and who's not going to live. I mean, who doesn't have a chance. And it is a very cruel decision, but in a way, the decision has been taken there, you know, and what's really, it sounds very dramatic, but it's not far from what reality is. In a sense, is that this decision in Latin America comes further before and comes on a much more political kind of spectrum of decisions. There is that the thing of like, you know, the social approach towards this, towards this crisis is something that definitely needs to be tackled. And there sometimes the decision comes like, okay, maybe maybe it's better that this chunk of the population gets sick, rather than having all this chunk of the population getting sick or all this chunk of the population dying from hunger or poverty. It is a very cruel decision. It is incredibly tremendous. But then again, I mean, the whole world is in this situation.   You know, last Sunday in Zagreb, where my family is based and many friends, besides Zagreb in Croatia being under total lockdown because of the virus, an earthquake hit. The strongest earthquake in the last 140 years in Zagreb. And of course the people from Zagreb also reacted in a very funny way, you know, because what is there, but to make jokes about it.   So in that sense, I mean, I'm not downplaying the tragedy which happened in Zagreb, but in that sense, it also shows what you, as we started, you know, by talking about self isolation. I think in Europe, you know, at least for people who are doing some similar jobs like me or for my generation and so on, self isolation is not such a bad thing. As for those people in Europe who are already victims of austerity or unemployment.   So the beautiful images we saw were the Cuban doctors going showing solidarity, perhaps you could tell us something about that and maybe also how does it come that it's the Cuban doctors who are the ones who are showing solidarity and who are equipped with this approach to know what to do and react in this kind of situation. Again, no, it is again reality hitting very high as well because the reality is that there is a, you know, there is a very strong medical system in Cuba. A lot of doctors from Cuba live everywhere live in many different parts of the world.  And that is something that is incredibly real and incredibly generous, of course, and it is one of the, yes, it is one of the triumphs of the Cuban Revolution. And we have to mention it as a triumph, as a definite triumph of the Cuban Revolution.  I know that Italy recently, maybe one not recently, but a few years ago they took off themselves out of the embargo and everything, and the relations have been kind of closing a little, no, we're getting closer a little bit. I find it incredibly general that it is, or I'm very sorry my English is so bad right now. Yes, very moving that someone from another part of the world is helping other people, Chinese doctors are also doing the same. People that have been through this, people that are going through this with their own special point of view and everything they're supporting other people, and this is what also throws us into this reality that we're talking all the time now. I find myself every conversation I have every single part of the day is I speak like if there had been a kind of a paradigm shift of, of, I speak from the world, you know, I speak like in first person at the world. You know, I start from there and then I go into my context, then I go into my, my problems, which is crazy I've never experienced that before. No, it is a weird shift, no, and I think we're all realizing that, that in a way we, we talked to someone, and we already know more or less the angles that we have to touch, you know, and it is about everybody, it's not about only us. And I don't know, maybe it is, it is a little bit corny. Yes, we're going to fall into something corny sooner rather than later and something very romantic in a sense, but I find that very as a, as a, as a principle, an incredible positive difference that this is bringing. Yeah, me too. But let's come to that a bit later maybe to the topic of love, solidarity friendship, because you mentioned the Cuban Revolution. So let me ask you a question connected to that because of course everyone knows you know as well.  And there was this I mean sorry for the dark question but I think this scene and your personal experience can be helpful to people I think there is this beautiful but beautiful I mean I wouldn't say tragic that's life seen on the boat when Che Guevara who suffered of asthma has an asthmatic attack. And you yourself are all is you're also asthmatic. And so my question is, you know, what can, on the one hand, what can Che Guevara never thought I would ask you this kind of question. In times like a medium. Yeah, what could Che teach us, and he's constant near death experience, how to cope with a near death experience and what is your experience of asthma also teaching us you know, so perhaps you could put it in parallel with with the current global pandemics where everyone also has to protect their lands and everything and take care. Yeah, well, fortunately my asthma condition was when I was a little kid, and it kind of went away. I'm sure there's someone that is seeing or listening to this conversation and also have the same because I found it in many people. When we were kids, we were kind of asthmatic and later on we started to get away from it, in a way, but we have it somewhere there, you know, and the feeling or the kind of strange sensation that that caused and definitely when portraying Ernesto, I felt I understood, I mean, from my very exegious personality I understood a little bit, you know, the point of how the asthma attacks for him, they became a place for him to grab strength to read, to study, to, you know, intellectualize certain thoughts, and then afterwards when he was feeling better, he would go out there and take action in a way. And back in the day it was terrible, you know, the Ventolin didn't exist, you know, the medicine for expanding the bronchial didn't exist, it was adrenaline. Sometimes they would inject, and it must have been, I mean, with the wrong dose, I mean, talk about the adrenaline rush, that must have been the worst adrenaline rush ever, you know, and completely, completely also had no fault, you know, and it's proficient, you know, it's like, you know, so I think that that was the point of his, for him to grab strength like what we're doing in a way right now, we're grabbing strength and we're putting everything into shape in order to come out afterwards from this way more stronger. The body is naturally doing that also, the bodies are doing that, you know, biochemically, we're doing that, and so what would Ernesto think about in these days, well, that's the thing that I've always, you know, when we were doing the promotion for this film, I was asked a lot about, you know, certain things like what would Ernesto feel to see himself and the t-shirt, you know, and, you know, if he would come, and of course it is a hypothetical weird strange question, but there's one answer I have in a way for that is that during his time, he understood something that I definitely wouldn't agree right now in terms of, you know, he understood that the armed way was the only way out, and I understand why he understood that in that moment, maybe if I would have been born in that moment, I would have felt the same. But nowadays, obviously, I don't think like that, and I, understanding that, that, you know, in his context, what he saw, also how Destiny kind of put him in the hotspots all the time, you know, and how, you know, how Destiny brought him to meet with Fidel Castro here in Mexico City, those series of consequences in a way led up for him to make the decisions that he, or think, or, you know, think about the context that we were living in and try to act on it. Nowadays, I mean, when we were doing the film Alberto Granado, the friend of Ernesto, he told us at a certain moment before doing shooting the movie, he said, he, we were dancing and we were there in a party and everything and he said, yeah, come guys, come, come, come, come, let me tell you something, that's, because we had been asking him a lot of questions, you know, and we had been asking him like a lot of questions about the journey and stuff and he, perhaps the most modern thing someone has ever told me and modern really because it was a, it was a, an incredibly futuristic approach and general approach, he said, and don't play us, don't, don't try to imitate our voices.  Play yourself, because you guys, us being the same age as they were in those days, you guys have much more information and much more a sense of the world and much more a sense of Latin America than we used to have in those days. You guys have much more things to say than we had in those days. And he said, just go and tell your story through, yes, maybe use, use those as references, but tell your story and that ultimately was what, what motorcycle diaries was for me. It made me, and Rodrigo de la Serba and all the people that participated in the film, we all felt immediately that our home was bigger, you know, that our, that the place where we're from is so much more big and everything is then, you know, Latin America is for me the place I'm from, really. I feel in every country in Latin America, I feel I'm in a place where I supposed to be, you know. I would love to say that as well, but I was actually planning to travel to Mexico, but now this global pandemics stopped me. But what I really love is what you said now, and brings me to another point, because if you make this, you know that today we have to have our own voice, and that today we at least have the possibility you know, Che Guevara and also other revolutionaries were, if they were real revolutionaries, they're always dreaming about internationalism. And also today I think precisely internationalism, but in the sense of transnationalism, and not just states who are cooperating, but peoples coming together, social movements cooperating, is more important than ever. And I think, you know, if I can make one short historical parallel, you know, unlike the Spanish flu in 1918, when of course the very name of Spanish flu comes because of the fact that only in Spain they were reporting about it. And the other countries which are censoring it called it the Spanish flu. But at that time, not just because of censorship, but also because of technology, I think someone in Germany or United States or Mexico didn't really know what is going on. You know, although the world was much developed than the 14th century when the Black Death hit, and then also led to the destruction of feudalism. I think what is the difference today? That's why I find your words so hopeful is precisely that I sense, and maybe this should sound as naive hippie stuff, I sense that the sort of global awareness is rising. And if you look at the facts, like more than two billion people today are in one way or the other in confinement, self isolation, isolation currently in those who are lucky enough to have a home or whatever. And I think most of these people are going to sleep and waking up with the same thought. And that same thought is coronavirus which then also goes into all other directions into an assessment or criticism of your own government. And also criticism of the political economy of global capitalism, you know, which ruins the health care systems, which doesn't appreciate enough care work, you know, not only care work, but also the shop assistants, the waste collectors and so on. And I think this sort of global awareness is changing. And on the other hand, of course, you have you made that beautiful movie know about Chile, you know, you're at the same time you have the Chicago boys coming, you know, repeating the mistakes of the 2007 2008 financial crash, in the sense that now you can see already how the big companies such as Amazon or they are pumping in a lot of money into airlines or the cruise ships and so on. So you can see that I mean, on the one hand, I think everything is still possible, but you can see that there is a struggle going on for what kind of world will rise out of this. Yes, and it is, and our tendency, maybe making it day by day and everything is to be a little bit optimistic about it, you know, in the sense that, okay, there is a certainty that we will definitely not go back to the horror that we were living before and that horror can mean different things for many different people, but but we can agree on certain things we I mean we can definitely agree I think there is no one. And they still are negationist, which is crazy. But not not as many as with the climate crisis. But but they are there are still negationist. And, and, but aside from them which obviously incompetence or negationism is going to, you know, show it. It's other hands and improve them wrong in a way. And I think that that that there is this optimism of an uncertainty that we need health structure, a public health structure that is that is strong enough to tackle this event like this. Everybody I think is starting to agree from whatever, whatever point of view or whatever political point of view they come from, they know that this is important because they can see how fragile it is that a health situation can affect so many of the aspects that that you know that that matter in the or that affect them in their own skin, let alone make the meals but at the same time make us. I don't know it affects our, our, you know, the, you know, I've never. I've always had this kind of existential is kind of obviously crisis known and questioning them everything, but they are much more they didn't much more high but you know like hypothetical or rather abstract, you know, certain way.  But, you know, one thing that we're actually questioning ourselves is what's going to happen in a couple of weeks. And about jobs and about about, I don't know what we do and where we go or what we, who we can help or what's going to happen and stuff. And it's like, I mean, although the kind of it's strange how that existential crisis in a way has become so much more like short-sighted in a way, no. But at the same time, of course, with the calm of the night or in the morning or everything, we start to ponder about this kind of optimistic outlooks that hopefully we will come out with. Obviously, sometimes the pessimistic things come across. Wow, I mean, I've been, I've been, I've been very anxious, I've been, I wouldn't say depressed because sometimes the depression, you know, is a feeling of, you're the only person that's living this but I mean, there's kind of a little bit of a consolation thing about all this is that we're all living it so you don't feel that alone in this. But you know, I sometimes feel incredibly scared and anxious and wanting the horror not to become a reality. I stick to the optimistic side most of the time and obviously I think that that's what's going to end up happening and I want to make myself sure that I do everything in my hand to make this possible. Yeah, I noticed with myself as well, besides the depression and going up and going down, you know, constantly and waking up and wait, you know, for me, for instance, one week ago I woke up and I was waiting for the worst news about Coronavirus and I get a message from a sister, photos of Zagreb, you know, this kind of middle and local city in the breeze and, you know, partner with the child. So, and I'm like, what the fuck, what's happening now, an earthquake, you know, what's next, you know, I think everyone is waking up in that sense, and you're completely right that the way we count time has changed.  As I was watching some movie clips of your work, I actually came to a very silly, silly conclusion that most of the movies you did are in one way or the other way connected to a sort of disaster. So, science of sleep, you know, you are Stefan, who is drawing a calendar of disasterology, and then most recently, when we've been last in touch, I think in January, you told me that you are in Chicago, filming a TV series about a global pandemic. I mean, what happened to that? Did you shoot it? Did you finish it? Is that going to be aired? And perhaps, I mean, it's called Station 11, perhaps is there any lesson we can take out of that science fiction, science fiction, have any lesson anymore today in this world science fiction? Oh, man. Yeah, well, it is based on a book that I'm sure many people have read because it was a very famous book, especially in the United States. And yeah, it deals with it. It deals with what happens a lot with the consequences of a global pandemic, but it's more about, it shows us a little bit on the edge of the future, in a sense, what happens to human relationships afterwards. And on a very, on the premise that the world has kind of institutions have kind of collapsed, you know, like nothing is like we thought it was before, and how this everlasting sense of spirituality or religion in a way kind of blossoms in this situation. So it is an interesting philosophical kind of, you know, put into a game in a way that the story plays, but we managed to shoot what we had to shoot before, and we're going to pick it up sometime soon. Yeah, but, but it was, it was meant to be like that. It was meant to be like, we're going to shoot a few episodes before, and then there was going to be a hiatus and then we were going to pick it up afterwards. And in a way, maybe that's, I mean, this show was structured like that, maybe, like, and then it made it so new that there was something going to happen. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, and, and it's something that that in a way we've been talking a lot and we have been pondering a lot, while shooting it as well, because this was happening already in China very strongly, and, and there was this thing of like, well, what's going to happen with this and incredibly timely, but that that is not a longer a surprise anymore with fiction and with, and with, and with something that I want to go forth, like, can I throw something, but maybe just because, you know, man, you know, I've been, I've been finding a, like we all have finding solace in certain, you know, maybe comfort is the wrong way but finding the expression of love in different, in different ways. I find myself very distracted in a way, like I cannot concentrate on just on entertainment, you know, I find it very complicated I think I've watched a few either series or films that I, that they just completely, I don't know, they numbed me in a way, or I was numb already in a way. And I've been connected to something very specific, which the elementally throws me into a very kind of, you know, a very strong sense of being, which is to play the guitar, for example. And I'm very bad, you know, I'm very bad, but I love it. And I love playing and singing songs and, and, and this kind of this, this, this activity has given me like an immense meaning and, and, and a very moving meaning, you know, like the other day I was playing of course in guitar, which one you play, which you were here because it's, you know, it's like, I mean, it's kind of a good one to learn. And that's, that's the meaning of the song. If you sing it and you play it, or if you sit down, which now we have time to do, we sit down and we listen to it strongly. And, oh man, it just takes you away and into many places. So I've been finding the expression of love in, in, in the, in the strangest combination in artistic consequences, be it cooking or food or just really contemplation of the outside world. I mean, artistic consequences being very close to spirituality and all of that. And science, you know, like, and science. And scientific language. And I have a friend who is, who's watching this actually, who's a biologist.  And he's, what he does has a very strong artistic consequences and he appreciates a lot of them. He's always argument the point of encounter between both between science and art. And let's just call it artistic consequences because really, I mean, it's, it's far much bigger, no, in a way, and less self defined. You know, I'm doing art now, let's see later in this time, I don't know. So I, I, I've been finding a lot of solace there and, and, and, man, how about you? Well, I have a confession to make as well. I mean, unfortunately, because I'm stuck in a city where I didn't wasn't supposed to start. I don't have a guitar. And to be honest, I didn't play a guitar since teenage years, which was also not playing guitar. It was hardcore music. So it was a bit tough, but I will do it. But to be honest, you know, also at the beginning, you know, I, I, at the beginning, you're happy a bit, a few days. Oh, there is at least people like us who are a bit more privileged. You know, there is no schedule, finally, blah, blah, blah. I mean, for me, the first days were also very traumatic. You know, can I return there? Can my partner return there? Will I see my family? When will I see them? Borders are closed and so on. And then out of this kind of feeling of, I would say, utter helplessness. We created, for instance, this what we call TV, as you'll see by Little Studio and so on.  And more and more, we are actually using these spaces as public spaces, which I must as a critical theorist and historical materialist say that they appear as public, but it's still on a platform, you know. I mean, thanks to Zoom that we can use it and so on, who sees what will happen with it. But let's just be aware that also these spaces, which we use now, let's not take them for granted, you know, who knows what will happen. But through this kind of online space, I came also to the realization of what you call love. You know that, I mean, love in the sense, okay, you're in Mexico, it's what, it's one o'clock in the afternoon, I'm in Vienna, it's almost eight o'clock for someone in Berlin or I don't know, you know, Africa, it's poor watching us, it's a different time zone, but we are all together in this, sharing our thoughts, sharing our fears, sharing our hopes. And also what I realized since the global pandemic started this, you know, the amount of phone calls I had with people whom I really love, you know, just saying, you know, how are you, is there any chance to help you? You know, the kind of emails I got from people, do you need my money, you know, or something like that. Really directly, you know, if I can help you somehow, do you need an apartment? Can I do that or that? And you see that this kind of solidarity is growing. I don't know, and that keeps me alive. Otherwise, I would also go deep down into depression, you know. Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah. And I think it's, there is a strong relationship between these discoveries and time, you know, as well as there is a strong relationship between time and being confined. This is apparently what's going to, so it is a test of time, in a sense, all of this. And maybe the lessons that we have to take from all of this is not necessarily something, I mean, the most kind of evident consequence would be slow cooking. But you know, the fact that, you know, in artistic forms, for example, it's always been said how the Beatles were, you know, confined to a place in Hamburg for one year, playing five nights every week, or six days, or eight days a week. Okay, so they were playing all the time there, and they were practicing them for a whole year, they were practicing. And even though they were extremely talented, and yes, born with the talent and born with the, you know, the gracious gift, they practiced and they had time to evolve into this kind of musicians that they later became. And it is something that also time makes that, and that is something that we have to, we're experiencing this right now. I found myself also wanting to be incredibly productive as soon as this whole thing started, you know, and wanting to be incredibly, you know, like do this and that, and put times and everything and everything. And I failed, of course, you know, with time to keep that schedule, I've failed completely. And my daughter, for example, she, in her calendar, she established one for the whole family, and she says, okay, one of the strands of this period of time, it's called time for peace.  Maybe we need that we need we hopefully one of these things that are gonna come across and certainly in me and I'm gonna change that in my own life, definitely. I'm gonna give myself more time to do things and to this and definitely to stop this crazy, you know, notion that I could be in any part of the world at any time. Traveling, that's gonna stop for me, for that, definitely.  I don't know. It's important. Yeah, fully fully agree. I mean, this time, you know, your daughter has time for for peace. My friend recently told me that some of the parents complained saying, oh, we cannot anymore. We are all the time with our kids in the in the apartment. This is how can I sell my kid on eBay and so on. And then one of my younger friends said, imagine that when I was young, parents told me you have to stay at home, play video games. And he said, I would, I would think that I ended up in heaven, you know, that I died. So there are also good sides. I mean, at least from the child children's perspective in that there is also philosophical point, which I think you are leading to, you know, Walter Benjamin in his thesis on the on the history of philosophy has this nice image of revolutionaries after Revolution in France shooting at clock towers. That was the first thing they were doing shooting at time. And then if you would go back to like off in the Middle Ages, then you will see that there is a direct link between the clock time universe and schedules and sort of capitalist realism, you know, that everything is measured through the hour and so on. And then you end up as you said, dry and you don't have time for the meaningful things. So that might be a good outcome, but I talk too much, and I can see we have and I would ask you many more things and we can maybe be a little unusual. But let's start with the questions I can see many questions are coming. So okay, there's a question connected to your guitar in a way. You sang in the Oscars, your video, I don't know whether I've pronounced, has a lot of views. You did Mozart in the jungle. Have you ever imagined being so successful in music? No, no, of course, not never in my life, but it was, or maybe, maybe yes, very deeply, you know, like the same way that maybe on the same level that I wanted to be a football player. But I realized, you know, that I was a football player that, yeah, I kind of did it okay, but that my future was going to be really, really small. I wasn't going to have a, like a big career wasn't the talent that everybody would point out and say, oh my God, this guy plays incredible. They would say he plays well, you know, and that was it. I don't think everybody would say that about me and the music and everything, but the enjoyment I've had with football and the enjoyment I've had with music is something that, first of all, it's my right. First of all, it's something that I, it's my privilege in a way, my ownership. I have an enjoyment, a particular enjoyment with music that really, with Mozart in the jungle, I think it transcended a little bit and I've had the chance to learn about music and also experiencing something that actually, at a certain point in my life, I would say it saved me because it made me go into another, you know, another language and another universe of experiencing things which reaches music and that's something that right now, for example, is where I go to as well, you know. I'm so glad to hear. So after the crisis is finished, we can make an online concert or even during the crisis, I don't know. I don't know what you saw in Novi Sad, in Serbia, there was a, what is it, an orchestra coming back from the National Theatre. I think they come back from China, if I'm correct, and they came back to Serbia, they were all, to Novi Sad, they were all in self-isolation and then they made a zoom with different, and everyone was playing his or her own instrument and Pella Ciao.  Absolutely. Second question, that's a tough one. Gael, what advice would you give to the youth in regards of love in time of coronavirus? In regards of what? What advice would you give to the young people in regards of love, love in time of coronavirus? Oh my God, you gave the title, you gave the title. Exactly. Okay, oh yeah, basically there is a reference I can go to.  You know, before we learned that and then afterwards they explained to us how it is sexually transmitted, you know, and obviously it is something that as a kid we kind of, we all, I don't know, we're very curious about of course, normally, naturally, but it got us and the whole humanity was deeply scared of how this, the transmission of this and how it was, and how they didn't know many things and how it was expanding and they didn't know anything and they said, okay, it's just this, they came up with this notion of in Mexico it was a very common, but I think it was in many different parts of the world as well, that it was solo contubarejo, only with your partner, only have sex with your partner, that's it, no, like that. And that obviously hit a very strong note in how the world was kind of going.  I'm reading more questions, there are plenty of them and I'm sorry to everyone because we won't have time to answer every question. Join us next time and I hope with Gael we will also speak more, but so let me go to another question, you mentioned Ronald Reagan, there comes a question connected to neoliberalism, so it says, the coronavirus crisis plays a huge role on government ideologies around the world, my question is how do you think this crisis influences neoliberal countries? Well, I mean, it is, going back to a little bit what we talked about and in a way which we're kind of all starting to agree on is that it's the thing of, okay, from all sides of the spectrum, people are agreeing that we need a strong health system, which we know health is not only, I go to the doctor about health. Don't do that, Gael, don't do that on the screen, come on.   And, and that's something that it's changed by the, by like, like a hammer, you know, it got hit like with a hammer and it changed completely. So, hopefully, hopefully, many of the old tactics and techniques of recommendations and formulas that they've been, you know, technocratically kind of been argumented, no longer takes place. It's been obvious way before, not, not, not only because of coronavirus, but this is the last drop, that from the, all the drops that have spilt the glass, no. So, definitely something is going to change when and the, and right now, it's a think tank from the United States, this is that. You know, come on, the United States has that pressure. So, think tanks couldn't. prevent that or I don't you know recommendations are much more we have to develop a holistic kind of project we need our you know our scientists from all other I suppose thinking about this with a friend our scientists from all our countries which are kind of like on you know we're from certain periphery of countries in a way we need our scientists to come back and work out something you know from for our our countries definitely yeah but but an important role in any crisis art plays an important role always and cinematography as well so there is a question from Europe someone from Europe saying that the european productions in cinematography are now for the moment stopped and what do you think is going to happen first with the global industry i mean Hollywood and so on and the global productions are they also stopped when they are going to return and second do you think that's the question whether this is a chance for more national cinema and so on and I would add if I can add a question I always do that I guess the audience hates me do you think you know cinema will change after coronavirus you know how will it look like will it reflect on people how often they make a handshake or they have will everyone just make movies about the virus so maybe you can answer it in one yeah yeah no yes the the well here as well you know and I think in most part of the part of the world production has halted from from independent films to big studio films to big international movies to local tv productions it everything has been stopped and and it's going to recover of course definitely and it will recover it's going to start again you know not on the same hype that's for sure not on the same kind of this need for content you know with that horrendous word content and you know because it's where we kind of become victims of that of creating content to add to the add you know do to get into and uh and what what we what it's going to happen and this is hypothetical but I've been talking with many people about it and obviously in my experience what I'm seeing is that the things that we're going to be able to pick up or we're going to do are the things that are in our own hands that we don't depend on you know third party studios or big kind of corporations to say yes and no you know which gives us an advantage as well because it forces us to to be much more you know something that hasn't been talked about or that there's no longer a term of discussion because actors no longer talk about an artistic journey you know the the artistic journey something that is like from another time right now is about creating content but the situation right now will not be about creating content will be about an artistic journey because the consequences of it will not be as glamorous will not be as as extreme as they used to be it's going to be a yes productions that that you can have in your own hands that you can they do them and a little bit what what Bong Joon who was was talking about when he did the parasite he said I wanted to do a film about South Korea and about Seoul and about the neighborhood you know about these two neighborhoods and I wanted to do this and then I realized that you know this whole reaction that it happened in the world and everyone watching it I realized we live in the same country and which is capitalism and that is something that that definitely with with local films with local stories I mean it's been said many times if you want to be universal be local you know and nowadays we have to engage with our context because we have so much things to say I have a lot of things to say about in my in my language you know I have this is where I where I expand I don't want to waste my time like trying to follow a route of of of somebody else you know it's already there that I'm just filling in the hole or the void of somewhere that somebody's leaving behind or something I wanted to do stuff in my in my in my own place and and because I want to have an artistic journey I really wanted to I mean I I want to have that that my life has an artistic consequence I would hope that and so I think that's more where it's kind of heading and maybe the films are going to be much more personal after this much more even even though good films already are personal no I'm very personal with our collective of course interpreting a point of view that is very personal we are gonna go into into wanting to know wanting to hear what what a person from Sarajevo feels in in this whole craziness rather than hearing what the superhero feels about all this crazy because a superhero is we can come up with with dialogues for the superhero right now and and they'll be okay you know they'll be fine yeah yeah this this reminds me of of your own movie Chico Rotes uh uh didn't pronounce it well yes yes we are yes exactly we are I think I also pronounce your name okay no yes that's the Yugoslav-Mexican connection which we were discussing in Ludrovnik no it reminded me it reminded me of your movie because it's also you know what you said about the parasite you know that we live in one country which is called capitalism we can see it in your movie as well which is interestingly not set on the background of an earthquake and it deals with a group of people who are you know the lowest state of society the excluded exploited and forgotten parts of society and it shows how resilient these people actually are and it's also a very personal movie so maybe I'll come to the one of the last questions and which is connected to this so the question is Gael what about the poor people in Mexico the the ones that can't quarantine what do you think that we all the ones who have it easier should do for them or what we could do for those people and I think it's a really good yeah yes absolutely um of course it is a very it spans on many levels the the question and and it is very complex because this is something that has been taken into account definitely by this government strong and they've been trying to you know talk about it and it is a very difficult language to talk about ambiguities in in the social structures because uh you know politics is not made of ambiguities in a way especially nowadays and and in a way we you know this conversation has been has been has been strong has been actually quite you know very high highly strong in certain areas but there is a feeling that that we can say that you know in in Mexico maybe five percent and maybe I'm being too either too generous or too small with my my my account and five percent of the of the houses in Mexico are are not good places to be quarantined and maybe they aren't maybe lack of lack of elemental you know social necessities are not there one of them being loved for example one of them being you know this is something that because of the whole economic strain and the and the lack of certain things maybe love is something that is a is a privilege to have you know it's something that if it's there wow it's an accident but the norm would be that the that it doesn't maybe it doesn't exist maybe it is it is a very violent place to be and and and this I'm speaking I've got to say I'm speaking from my privilege I mean completely and and I never you know I never want to you know never want to say that I know exactly what's going on you know it is something that but we we we know it we know we know we know that can happen we know that those that's the the things that are at play you know that's the situation and this is what we're the cards we're dealing with and this is this is a very very interesting you know concept to also take into account into this how to deal socially with this pandemic and fortunately I've got to say the Mexican government has and many governments in Latin America as well with the exception of Brazil and have talked about you know the the violent consequences or the the extra consequences that that that this can can lead to which is men rather than working doing domestic work for example helping out you know people that are in strong violent surroundings in the sense as well to to to be aware of this you know and and so so it's been talked about and and and I think here where where people have most to say about this is I mean the people that have more things to say about all this are definitely the scientists the profession you know the the doctors and the people that that they are into these institutions that are actually talking about this and it's great that they're talking about this as well because if not it would be I mean you know it's it is not the same recipe for what Europe in general needs that what Mexico or Latin America means there's a whole different thing and and it is important to always taking that into account and I've got to say but from our privilege what we've been doing is helping the small businesses and the small you know in a small communities also what we with new ways you know with the social media and everything we've been able to also reach certain places that are not in our community in a very small community that we can help out all the people and that's something that's been happening that's been there maybe later in the week or something I'll send you a lot of links and things where people can see what people in Mexico are doing I'll try to include our in other parts of Latin America as well but I'll try to include certain organizations certain things that people are putting together in order to to help other people especially economically and also in the directly into the health situation I think that would be great and we at the M25 would be happy to share it we also had some proposals recently mainly on the European level in which way to invest and use the existing institutions to provide security and some minimal wages or universal basic income to Europeans who are now suffering because my big fear is that you know the number of people who will die and suffer from the consequences of coronavirus are much higher than coronavirus itself you know the years to come the global recession and so on but since we have to conclude very soon maybe we should end in a kind of more hopeful way maybe something about love what do you think Arthur Rembaugh famously said that love has to be reinvented I do you think that this crisis global crisis will lead also to a reinvention of love a reinvention in a better way no but on a very elemental and kind of straightforward appreciation love nowadays can also be interpreted as work like what you mentioned in your book what is your name in English? Radicality of Love I think that's what Radicality of Love yes Radicality of Love and the Radicality of Love which is a great title great thanks man yeah what you mentioned there which you also mentioned and you paraphrase a lot and you bring in Colombo a lot into the mix because definitely it is I mean the argument that love is work is hard work it is something that we're all extremely because be it that we're with a person we love a lot and we've been having problems we've been having a great time right now it is a test of work you know and a lot of work and a lot of manual work also and domestic work and so it is an interesting thing that I think everybody is experiencing and obviously everybody is experiencing at its maximum level you know like oh I know so this is something that will definitely change before love used to be this kind of immediate thing that either was there or wasn't but love is not something sorry work is not something that is included in this whole thing or maybe it's included in both therapeutic kind of couple therapies kind of you know conversations or self-help conversations or whatever but the but really like right now we're feeling the grudge of it and the and the difficulty of it and in a way it is fantastic I find it really really great because it is it it puts you know it puts it to the test in a sense and it puts us to a test of like saying of course the same way that we cannot be geographically in some other place all the time right now we have to deal with our love consequences and and the hard work that it is I don't know what actually in on another episode I will ask you what colantai would have thought about this time wow that's that that's a tough question but but I'm really yeah I pleasantly surprised that you actually brought alexandra colantai in I think no one would have expected that the two of us would speak about colantai connected to a virus uh uh what she would bring in I think you you you put it beautifully you know it's not just that the love at home which now you know it's you can it's not just you fall in love and everything is great and then the next day you go to a disco or to another country find someone else go on tinder and so on I mean I don't even know how tinder and grinder are now being used in time of isolate probably as well but you know she was warning about against this commodification of love you know that love becomes a kind of product on the free market and the invisible hand will somehow bring you to the perfect partner and so on but I think today as you said you know first work at home because we are more with our beloved ones than than than usually which can also sometimes create problems as you said and the figures of rising domestic violence are actually very boring on the other hand I mean love the function of love because colantai was also writing about it the function of love in society because those who are saving us now they show a sort of really unconditional love you know the doctors the medical sisters even the shop assistants I mean they don't love these jobs of course they would rather not do it I guess they have to do it to survive but this is a work which is a work of care for the rest of society the same as postman waste collectors you know they are the ones who are now at least in Europe which is current time they are the ones which are on streets and this is a kind of not only care but love for the for the whole society I mean some of them are forced to do it but I think they are doing a very big job for the whole society so yes I hope that we will redefine love I hope we will see each other soon of course please please let's do it and then when you said that nobody would expect that colantai would come into this discussion also you know she was she was the first Soviet Union ambassador here in Mexico I didn't know that but at least she didn't end up like another guy who went to Mexico right exactly thanks a lot Gaelle thanks everyone for watching us as we announced after this show we will show an exclusive conversation with the one and only Noam Chomsky you will take a break of we will take a break of half an hour and then you can find it on the dm25 youtube channel make some popcorn make love watch some movies by by Gaelle blindness or signs of sleep I mean there are so many beautiful I would suggest signs of sleep because it's about self-isolation you know two people in love in the room and imagination artistic creation thanks a lot Gaelle no thank you man it's such a privilege thank you and hope to see you soon again in summer who knows thank you so much bye


Fiery horse with a speed of light, the cloud of dust and a hearty high old silver, the Lone Ranger. With his faithful Indian companion, Tonto, the masked rider of the planes led the fight for law and order in the early western United States. The stories of his strength and courage, his daring and resourcefulness have come down to us through the generations. And nowhere in the pages of history can one find a greater champion of justice. Return with us now to those thrilling days of yesteryear. From out of the past come the thundering hoofbeats of the great horse Silver. The Lone Ranger rides again. It was a night of wind and rain and rolling thunder. Slender saplings bent like weeping women in the howling blasts and frightened animals streaked across the prairie seeking refuge from the storm. Then high on a mountain slope with a slashing rain made a slippery dangerous slide at the deep rutted wagon trail came a new ominous sound. Mr. Kato of Horse's Hoops thundered in the mud of the mountain trail as the Oberlin stage lurched dangerously around the bend. Of the driver's seat two men sat slumped together, the gnarled hands of one grasping the reins of the team but making no effort to control them. An unchecked the runaway stage thundered on.  For a moment the long rhythmic strides of the stallion seemed unable to gain in the frightened forehand. As he whispered words from its riders spurred the horse to greater efforts and the Lone Ranger reached for the reins of the team's lead animal. All distance for the flying feet of Silver, Tonto and Dan, the 14-year-old boy whom fate had revealed as the Lone Ranger's nephew, reigned in their mounts where the masked man had stopped the stage. We don't keep up with Silver. Ain't too fast. Golly, I'll say he is. You were riding like the wind. You might never have caught that stage before for Silver's speed. Hold this rain, Dan. I want to look at the driver in the guard. You bet. I was afraid so, Tonto. What? They're both dead. Oh, they're shot. Let me see the guard rifle. Ah, you pick. Well, it hasn't been fired. Whoever ambushed the stage took them completely by surprise. Ah, and not have chance.  I don't know, Dan. Ah, what do we do? Help me place these men inside the coach. Take your shoulders, Kim or Subby. Ah, well, we got them. Now the other one. Me got him. There's always a do for them at the present time. Uh, bring Silver with you, Tonto. Uh, Miss Abbey. Are you going to drive the stage in a mountain view? Yes, Dan. We may find a clue to the killers. Come on, there. Get up, there. Jeff Colbin, Express Manager of the Overland Stage in Mountain View, while sitting with his daughter, Mary, in the living room of their home adjoining the express office when they heard the stage drive up. Well, there she comes now, Mary. They're making that bit of music out here with pop and slimmer at the report. I'll go, Dad. You're tired. And it's a dreadful night. You might catch cold.  Always fretting over me. I'll answer it. Oh, I didn't mean to startle you. Masked and... Mary? I don't know. Are you the manager of the express office? That's right, Harry. Dad, he's holding Slim in his arms. Come in, Tonto. Here you come. Indians carrying pop. Put them over there on that couch, Kim or Subby. Are they...are they dead? Yes, murdered. Murdered. Where is Thundera? Don't wait for that gun. My friend and I didn't kill them. Oh, if you didn't, who did? I don't know. I thought you might give me a clue to the killers. Oh, nice. I've got an ancient partner. You two look mighty suspicious to me. I mean... Wait, Dad. Somehow I... I believe he's telling the truth. What was the stage fretting tonight that would invite a hole up? Not a plain thing. Only cargo with some boxes of calico for the general's store and a store-bought suit ordered by old Lempars and from Lark City.  You mean gold or cash? Dead certain, mister. I'm notified of every shipment that comes through and there won't be another until it... What is it, Dad? A passenger. Joe Leacon was due here on that stage, huh? What are you supposed to... Who is Joe Leacon? Government agent. Got a letter from a couple of days ago. He said he expected to travel to Mountain View on today's stage. Did he say why he was coming? Of course he did. I can't see how it's any business of yours. The government's lending money to extend the railroad from Mountain View to Five Pines and the first shipment is to be paid out in wages to the workers. Mr. Leacon was coming to plan with Dad so the payroll would be sure to arrive safely. I see. But Mr. Leacon hasn't told us yet when the cash is coming through. Bastard! Mary, that's a confidential matter, and here you go telling the first trains you meet. The match went with that. You have nothing to fear from me. I'll be the judge of that. There's something very funny about this whole business. First pop and slimmer shot and then Eacon disappears. You can't be sure that he disappeared, Dad. He may have decided to take a later stage. Yes, maybe you're right. Who else knows the contents of Eacon's letter besides you and Mary? I know what he is. Why do you don't like it? You can't just fall in my aim. Drop that gun. Your little coyote will make you pay for that. Tutto, that's Dan. Come on. Mary Colbin, get down on the floor. Someone's shooting at us. Here, look at it. The mess man shot out the light. Who's ever outside can't see the shoot now. Come on, Tutto. We hurry. We earn right away. Dan! Dan, where are you? Maybe him right after Gunman. Either that or... What do you think? The Gunman kidnapped Dad. Not right. We've got to find him, Tutto. But probably hard to trail him. I know it, Kimus Hobby. In the dark he'll be like hunting a needle in a haystack. We'll have to try. At least we know the direction they've taken. Kimus Hobby, we see horsemen in lightning flash. Here, Silver. Come scout. Anything happens to that boy? We ride fast. Come on, Silver. Well, the considerable distance ahead, Dan urged his horse through the relentless rain in pursuit of the Gunman. He had intercepted outside the home of Jeff Colbin. His eager eyes peered through the inky night at the shadowy figure of a horseman who whipped his mount through a muddy arroyo unaware that he was being followed.  After him. Faster, boy. Faster. Long was breaking over the blue-gray hills and the rain had long stopped. And Dan's quarry rode up to a slope which fronted an abandoned mine and rained in his horse. Suddenly a shot had crossed the wastelands and a bullet plowed the dirt a few feet away from him. Don't shoot, it's Cork. Now, walk in, sir. I'm walking. Keep that gun and leather. You're the right ticket after all. Who else would I be, you dog-on fool? Can't help it, boss's orders. He didn't want any slip-ups at this stage of the game. My job's a slip of slug between the ribs and ask questions afterwards. You're lucky I only creased dirt with your slug. Thanks. I'll remember you in my will. Where's the boss? Down near the mine shaft. I'm working over Joe Leacon. I'll go on down. I've got news for him.  Let me alone. Don't ask me any more questions. I've told you all I know. You're lying. You ought to know by now it won't do you any good to lie. I have ways of finding out what I want to know. Painful ways.  Let me go. Let me go. Who is it? It's Cork. Cork, what are you doing here? Well, I told you to stick to your job in the express office and keep me informed about Colbin. I had to see you, King. Something's come up. A lot more dangerous to our plans than Colbin. What do you mean? After you way-laid the stage last night and drill the drive in the guard, somebody drove it into Mountain View. What of it? That somebody I'm referring to is the Lone Ranger. The Lone Ranger? I see you've heard of him. Yeah. Who hasn't? But I've never seen him. He's never seen me. And took care of that. I tried to drill him while he was talking to Colbin, but some kid knocked my gun out of line.  Well, not a chance. He was still inside the house when I rode off. And in that storm last night, he'd wind up in circles. That on Bray never winds up in circles. If you've tipped my hand, Cork, just when I'm set to pull the biggest deal that's come my way, I'll write my signature on your personally. With lead. Ain't you forgetting that it was me who put you in line with this deal in the first place? If I hadn't read the letter Eakin sent to Colbin in the express office, you'd never have heard about the pay cash. I ain't forgetting. That's why I'm cutting in for a third of the cash. You still figure I'm getting the money the same way? Sure. Why not? I don't know. Just thought that a Lone Ranger being around here might make a difference. How can it? You don't know me from Adam. Just the same. I'd feel a lot safer if you hadn't riddled the stage driver and the guard.  They saw Eakin plenty while he was their passenger. They'd have recognized the substitute Pronto and talked. Yeah, I reckon you were right. Speaking of talking, what about him? Oh, Eakin here? The boys and me have worked over him plenty. But he still won't tell when the pay cash is coming through. You'd better sweat it out of him, King. He's the only one who knows. Don't worry. He'll talk. I've been saving my best tricks for last. Give me a hand with him. Sure. Eakin! Eakin! He's out cold. You'll never get the information out of him in this shape. I'll bring him around.  Here it is. This will wake him up. Now, you stubborn maverick. Will you tell us what we want to know? Or do I have to use more persuasion? What do you want with me?  When is that government pay cash coming through? No, I... I can't tell you. You mean you won't tell? Well, before I'm through, you'll beg to tell me.   Here's one for you. You little wild cat. Who's the cat, mate? I don't know, King. Found him snooping around outside. Thought I'd better bring him in for your look-see. But keep your weather eye peeled. He's a firebrand. I know that kid. Yeah? Who is he? He's the one I told you about. He must have followed me out here from Cobbins. Spying, eh? That's too bad, kid. What do you mean? You know too much.  You don't frighten me. No? Take a look at Eakin here, and you'll tell me different. But at least he's alive. You mean you? The only way you'll leave this cave, kid, is horizontal. The curtain falls on the first act of our Lone Ranger story. All the next exciting scenes please permit us to pause for just a few moments. To our story. As Dan watched with horror and anger and struggled helplessly in the ropes which bound his wrists and ankles, King, Cork, and Mace worked over Joel Eakin until flesh and blood could stand no more. Oh, stop it. Let him alone.  We'll hand you the same. If Eakin doesn't tell when the pay cash is being shipped soon, he may as well forget it because he won't be in any shape to talk. I might have sworn we'd sweat it out of him before this. Wait a minute, boss. I was trying to say something. All right, Eakin, talk. I'll talk. That's better. You know what we want to hear. When is the pay cash coming through? Tonight. Stage court. Did you hear that, boys? Tonight by stage. Just got time to make plans. What about Eakin and the kid? I'll leave them here. May as well take a couple of boys and stamp card at the entrance of the mine. I'll take most of the gang with me. What's the sense in keeping these two alive, boss? Why don't we do away with them now? Because there's a chance Eakin is crossing us. Maybe the stage in shipping the cash is not at all. But ain't I want the pleasure of watching him squirm before I send him under. That goes for the kid too. Keen over. Come on. They're both tied up. We've got some plans to talk over. Mr. Eakin. Mr. Eakin, can you hear me? I guess he's pretty weak. I could only get him a drink of water from that bucket. But my hands are tied. Maybe if I push that bucket over to him. I won't try it anyway. Mr. Eakin. Mr. Eakin. Water. Take a drink. Water? Drink. Oh, yes. Yes, drink. It's a drink's bank. Come on, Cobb. I can't reach it. Can you manage to get it in your hands? But that is weak. No, scrape it against that rock. Make the edges sharp. Don't understand. When they're sharp, you'll be able to cut the ropes a tiny. Yes, yes, of course. As the government agents scrape the tin cuff over the rock to sharpen its edges, Dan rolled on his back and stared at a jagged hole which appeared in the cone-shaped roof of the cave directly over the mineshaft. He could feel the damp air from the underground and sucked past him up through the hole in the roof. And suddenly an idea formed in his head. An idea which might bring about their escape. Mr. Rieken. Yes, Dan. I know a way we can send for help. Is that tin sharp enough yet? I think so. Let me see your ropes. We can gather that fresh wood and light a fire. The suction will carry the smoke up through that hole on the roof of the cave where it'll be seen for miles around. How will anyone know we won't help? There's a signal for it. You'll see. I'll use that water bucket. Now wait till I cut your ropes. No, we're free. We'll go together. But if the Lone Ranger and Tonto are in these parts, I bet it won't be long before we will be. In the still muddy going of the morning after the storm, the Lone Ranger and Tonto searched in vain for a clue to the whereabouts of Dan. Although they knew their horses had taken them in the direction they'd seen a horseman go in the murky night, they had failed to find any trace of a trail. And suddenly the Lone Ranger rained the paw for white stallion up sharply and scanned the sky ahead. Hold still. Hold still. Hold still. Hold still. Hold still. Hold still. Tonto tea? I was taken a smoke signal. See, over by the abandoned mine. Ah, that signal alright. Smokesay, help. Odo, you don't Suppose? That maybe Dan. Come on, Silva. There was some time later after Dan had burned the last of the brush wood and the fire had smoked out. From the floor of the caves, the boys suddenly saw a rope dangling a few feet above his head, and looking up saw the familiar figure of the Lone Ranger crawling through the hole in the roof of the cave on the roof of the cave and slide down the lariat. Mr. Eakin, look. I told you he'd come. It's a lone ranger. Are you all right, Dan? Oh, you bet. Now that you're here. I thought I saw your signal. I used the Indian signal code. I was sure if you saw it, you'd come. Why did you disappear? Well, I'd taken horses to the shed out of the rain, as you'd asked me to. When I saw a man skulking outside Coban's window with a drawn gun. I see. Well, he looked like he meant to kill someone inside. Maybe even you. So I jumped him. Then he ran and I trailed him. See, I thought he must have some connection with a stagehold up. Seems you were right, Dan. Isn't this Joliken, the government agent? Yes. I'm mighty happy to meet you. Where's the other exit to this cave, Dan? What do you care, mister? You ain't going anywhere. Mace. Just take them six guns out, barrel first, and let him hit the dirt. I'll take them out. Move my hands. Good gracious.  Come on, boys. Come shoot him. It's the rest of the guards. What do we do? Stand back out of the way, Dan. Come on, curly fling. Hey, son, let this man come out of it. You don't shoot. It's the rest of the guards. Where'd he come from? Slid down the ropes. Save me the lone Ranger. Come on, Tonto. Me? This is for you, Mace. Come on, boys. Give it to us. Madam, madam. Outnumbered though they were, the lone Ranger and Tonto struck out so strongly at their foes that the outlaws quickly gave ground before their smashing blows. For a moment, they reeled under the impact of the masked man's and the Indian's fists. Then seeing that Mace, their leader, was down, the last fight went out of them. And they submitted meekly to the ropes with which the lone Ranger, Tonto and Dan, tied them. Then once more astride their horses with Joel Eakin and Tonto Saddle, they headed toward town. Get up there for him. Get up there. Come on, Sylvie. Come on, big fella. Meanwhile, in Mountain View, two horsemen rode up to the hitching rail in front of the express office and rained in their mounts. One was Cork. The other was King, now dressed to resemble an Easterner. Remember, Cork, you just introduced me to Colburn. How do all of talking? Hi, Savvy. Come along to the office. Mr. Colburn, this gentleman is Joel Eakin, the government agent you were expecting. Well, I should say I've been expecting him to expect you on your stage as a matter of fact. Mr. Eakin, like you let us say, they should. I missed it at the last minute, pressure of business. So I came on by horseback. Horseback? Yes, I, uh, it was very important that I see you at once. Oh, yes, I see you. Dad, I'd have you. Oh, I didn't mean to intrude. Oh, it's all right. Well, come on in, then. This is Mr. Eakin, the government agent we were so anxious about. Indeed, we were.  Oh, no, nothing like that. You see, I only came on to town today. That's strange. I'm positive I've seen you somewhere before. You must be mistaken, Miss Mary. Mr. Eakin has only been in town about an hour. But I'm sure I've- You're mistaken. You two had better run along. Mr. Eakin and I have business to talk over. Better check over them bills of lading courts. Yes, sir. I'll do it right away. I don't care what he says. I know I've seen that man. Now, Colburn. Yeah, before we begin, Mr. Eakin, you won't mind showing me your condensers episode. Of course not. Got him right here. Hell, everything seems to be here in an order. Fine. Now, Colburn, to get down to Brass Tax. The government is expressing the pay cash by stage tonight. Tonight? Well, that don't give us much time to round up a posh year to make sure the cash is delivered to its destination, the railroad. Well, I've already made the necessary precautions, Colburn. Neither the sheriff nor any of his men will be necessary to guard the shipment. Don't say that. Who used to safeguard the cash of the sheriff? Well, my post is really as an officer of the law, you know. I expect to see the cash through myself. But you'll need men, gunwaddies, to shoot off any flyby knights with a knife or an easy haul. I've got men picked up myself. They're all ready to ride. Hey, those sounds, David, so you're the government's man. You're in charge of the pay cash, do this hand it over to the railroad. So if that's the way you want it, that's the way I reckon it'll have to be. Fine. And it's agreed there'll be no outside interference when I take to the trail with the cash, huh, Colburn? It's agreed. Well, I'll be getting along then.  Hey, good luck, he give you. And keep your eyes peeled when your gun's prior for them renegades had held up the stage last night and murdered old pop grimes and slim without giving them a chance. I'll do that, yes. Goodbye.  He just handed over a fortune and cash to them renegades he so riled up about. Oh, boy, look!  Sorry you're coming.  Mary, this is Joel Eakin, the government agent your father's expecting. There must be some mistake. Oh, what do you mean? Why, Dad just met Mr. Eakin about an hour ago. But it wasn't this man. Oh. He was introduced to Dad by Cork, Dad's assistant in the office. I see. That man was an imposter. I'm Joel Eakin. I can prove it. Well, here comes Mr. Colburn now. Ah. Well, glad to see you back. Dad, something awful's happened. What do you mean? The man we thought was Joel Eakin isn't. This is the real Mr. Eakin. I don't understand. He showed me credentials. My credentials. He's the leader of a gang of outlaws. They kidnapped me from the stage last night in order to impersonate me and steal the payroll money.  That's right. Now the outlaws have taken complete charge of the pay cash. There ain't a single sheriff's man assigned to guard in the stage. What's that? Gosh, what do we do? Perhaps our friend Cork may have some helpful suggestions. Look, it's Cork. He's riding away. Say, he's the man I saw who shot through your window last night. He's the one I trailed to the gang's hide-off. If somebody's stopping him, he'll get away. Oh, him not right by. You look. Come on, Silver. Come on, big fella. Rain up, Cork. Master Silver, you're shooting wild, Cork. You haven't a chance. Oh, sir Silver, last chance. Rain up.  You ask for it. Answer me well. He plans to weigh the head at 5'5". That night has King and his hard-faced gun expert Renegade's hall of the stage at 5'5". He's to rate it with the government pay cash. They were suddenly surprised by a few's late-of-shots. Amanda, all of you. Go down them guns, King. You surround it. It's an ambush, boys. Shoot it out. Have a chance, King. Don't listen to a boy. Shoot him down. I'm coming for you, King. I'm ready for you, mister. You don't need that gun. No. Hey, Amanda, throw down their guns. Throw in boys, they've got it. Where's the hangar, King? Hangar for murder. I can pop grams and slim handcock. I would be glad to know you're right for a hang-nose. You can prove it. I can prove it, King. I was a passenger on the stage when you shot them down. He can. I could pull over eyes with that masquerader, King. But you got caught in your own trap. Thanks to the Lone Ranger. I've just heard is a copyrighted feature of the Lone Ranger Incorporated.


I don't know why I'm doing this. Okay. I know why I'm doing this. All right.  I'm not trying to blow up as a Minecraft And I'm also pretty sure that a lot of my regular viewers aren't even gonna care for this So I really I don't stand to gain anything from playing Minecraft other than a good time Hmm, which is all I really want Mario mashup now. I am playing on switch. Hold on. Let me concentrate Survival difficulty normal when I said I'd never played Minecraft before it's kind of a lot because when I was living in Seattle Nintendo themselves invited me out to go and see their headquarters They actually gave me a huge tour of the place and it was really awesome But the whole reason why they invited me there was to play the Mario mashup thing that released on Lee you and they gave me a copy of the game and I said before I went guys I am not the person to invite out but I lived there and they were like we just come So I did and they just plopped me in the middle of a Mario mashup world So it wasn't even like starting a new game of Minecraft, which is what has just happened. What am I holding? Oh a map. I made a decision to not look up anything. I am going to figure this out Which is gonna be so painful for you to watch and my editor. Is that guy nice? Oh, he's looking at me That's kind of creepy. I didn't expect to start right near a village Hello kitty. I actually don't even know what the like what am I supposed to do? What is the end game here? Like what what is What is everything? Okay, you can only sleep at night trees right you you cut down trees Isn't that the first thing you typically do a little buddy. Is that a horse or I'm guessing it's a horse. Oh This takes so long I had honestly so many people Well, like I'll play with you. I'll play with you. I'll play with you Like this I I was surprised at the people that came out the woodworks that I guess a big Minecraft fans And I didn't know Bob Wolf was one of them He really wanted to play I think and dude as well said he wanted to play my editor Vinnie Who's editing this right now. Hi wanted to play and I will at some point play with all of those people and more But I again, I really wanted to do this on my own and I don't know if that's a good thing It might be a bad thing. I might have to do the next one with someone else. So one thing I kind of remember Do I have to build a workstation? Crafting why okay. Oh crafting table. Oh, I already have a thing Well, I'm gonna put that in my house in the in the house that I've decided is my house I really feel like I got I got lucky with Was it this one? Okay, I'm gonna put this Nope, no there. Okay use. Oh, okay This is totally my house now. I thought I'd have to figure all this out. So how do I make that? Oh, I gotta make two sticks. Well, how can I how come I still can't oh, I'm missing one No, I got like seven or is that a different kind of wood? Maybe it's a different kind of wood It says I need three of those to make a pickaxe. I'm pretty sure I have seven Oh, wait, I need to make them Now I can make a pickaxe What are those I think the next step is to stop mining I guess and find like diamonds I don't want to kill the sheepies because they're adorable and I love animals But don't I need food? Oh I got that hot back. I don't know how that happened. I don't want to kill the villagers animals at the least I'm gonna kill someone else's animal wild animals And what was that Cole wait, I should probably make lights right like torches so I don't get lost down there Oh, I can make torch with that thing. I just got okay, so I have one torch. Oh I have four torch How did I get into this viewing mode? Probably gonna have to sleep, huh? Why are you in my bed? Excuse me. Oh, I'm sorry close door door close No, my bed. I'm gonna sleep before you. No, why am I? Get out of my bed. Hey, why is that guy on fire? Oh, why are you hitting me? I came to help you. I came to help I legitimately didn't want him to die. I thought he was a friendly giant. No Back back back. What is with that chat? How do you turn it off? I have no one to talk to Oh So if I want to place this Okay, except I need that apparently I decided fall was the amount I wanted to bring I did actually ask people on Twitter for advice and one person said don't dig down So I'm not gonna dig down, but I'm gonna go straight down. I guess I should go down at some point I just don't like the idea. Everyone was like don't go down I wonder if the stuff I'm mining now if this can make a stronger axe Pickaxe I might not even be going the right way. I don't know if there even is a right way Maybe I should just dig straight down and see what happens. Can I make one? I'm gonna make another one because I feel like I'm just gonna make three, but I'm gonna go straight down Even though I was explicitly told not to okay. This is getting scary I'm I'm I'm so far in at this point that I have to keep going. How deep does this game go? I was kind of expecting to like maybe hit lava or something. I Don't know how to get back up how far oh my gosh Why am I looking through this of you again? No, okay? Back at the top. Can I eat these? They're probably not ready. Well now I got a replant them.  Oh, how do I? Stay back. Okay, those are the ones that don't explode. I think it's the creepers that explode This looks yeah, I think the enemy was an indication that this is the right way And we're gonna get to work boys in my experience with all video games if there's enemies on the path You're going. It's the right direction. I'm also gonna dig Down. Oh, that's so much quicker. I forgot that I made a stone one. Okay. Well now we're hitting earth Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Wait, what did I just get iron? Was that it? I think I'm gonna have to dig back up to the surface. Oh Daylight I was actually starting to get kind of scared. I didn't think I was ever gonna get back. I can't have gone that far.  I have no idea where I am look at map Look at oh, you just look down. Oh Yeah, yeah, there it is that looks like a house Okay, so maybe I was wrong. Maybe you're not supposed to go straight down digging it right away if you don't know what you're doing I don't really know what I'm supposed to do then, but I'm getting really hungry. Okay, wherever. I am now is my new home Can I eat this? Food substance eat eat the potatoes. Wait, how am I not eating? Oh Okay, well, I don't know when I'm gonna find food again. So I'm gonna take all Of this all of this is now mine to eat Is that it? Yeah, there it is. I found my old place. Okay, so I'm just gonna take up here guys If you could stay down there that'd be great. Why did they just build a random little lot up here? I mean, it's cute, but why look at this low.  When did I get string? I think when I killed the spider Can I make a better sword? I can was I supposed to replant the thing? Maybe I was supposed to replant them. I don't know what my seeds are for, but I'll plant them just in case I guess I'm just gonna go explore Jumping down is probably probably a bad thing, right? Sup pigs? Why can't I get in? Sup pigs? Can I ride you? No, that's okay. I don't want to anyway. I kind of did. Did I go down there? I don't think I went down here Maybe this is the kind of thing maybe I'm not supposed to make my own cave Maybe I'm supposed to explore pre-existing caves. I'll follow the water stream Well, the stream of water has to go somewhere, right? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Why is it taking me down there? Oh Look, this feels like something I'm supposed to be doing What is that? No, I know lava is bad. I learned that Oh shoot, that's the one that blows up Where did he come from? What is that? Iron ore. Okay, that's good I can make iron things out of that, right? Well, I got me some iron That's something. How am I supposed to get back? What's that? What is that? Lapis, so it's like a gem. I think there was another way over here I could go. Okay, now now I'm getting into it a little more. Oh shoot. I forgot I can't touch that I'm gonna keep following the water because that seems to- Is that gold? What is this? Oh, I think it's just the same iron ore stuff I've had before. Wait, is nothing coming out of it? Is this actually gold, but I'm like mining it wrong so I'm like wasting it. What does that sound? What is that? Is that a mushroom? Do I eat that? No. Oh My gosh, I don't know what that is. Oh, what's that red one? Oh, geez. Oh, geez What is it? Wait, why did the light go out? Now this ain't dropping Am I doing something wrong? Why can't I get this stuff? Oh No, oh, I don't know what my heart just stopped. That's scary. Ah No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no There's so many scary sounds and I'm now realizing that I'm lost. That sounds like thunder I wouldn't be able to hear thunder if I wasn't at least a little close to the top, right? Oh Oh, what am I doing? I'm pretty sure that is that is the sound of uh-oh, uh-oh, but I mean eventually I got to hit the top, right? No, no, no, no, no I want to go home. I want to build a chest and I want to save my stuff that I have found That's what I want to do. It's night, which means the bad stuff comes out. Oh Keep going in a straight line Oh, no, I don't have the health. I don't have the health protect me chicken. All right. I'm just gonna sleep and want it Yeah Oh a chest is a thing, right? Like I can make a chest and store whatever I found, right? Right. Yeah, I'm starting to have fun. I'll be honest at first I was like what especially when I was digging down and digging back up with no purpose I was like why am I playing this but now I am starting to get it a little bit So here's what I can make now after that little trip. Oh I can make a ball. I'm definitely making a bowl furnace. I really need that. How do I make my own food? I just find my own crops. Oh with the wheat I can make bread I want to save some wheat in case I find a horse, but I think another PewDiePie lesson I learned was you need a saddle to ride so I'm not too worried about that yet All right, well, this is all like crafting things which is all well and good right now My concern I guess is like surviving and finding a source of food Do I not need to make like a fire or something? How do I make fire furnace? I really need that. What is that? What's that stick? Is it a gold stick? I've got no you would need a gold stick to make a fireplace. Oh, that's what I was doing Okay, so I'm gonna put iron ore away and my sapphire away. I only have one arrow How do I make arrows coal and a feather? I haven't learned how to get feathers yet Let's see if that bread actually heals me because I'm in need of healing. Let's see if this actually heals me No, how do I heal? I've already tried sleeping. Can you heal me? Do you want this? Oh, no, I'm sorry. No, no What is this? Oh, you have one already. Wait, what is this? Oh, it's a brewing stand. I thought it was like a cooking thing Okay, well, I don't need to know what you're brewing. Oh Oh, I thought I could ring. Oh Okay, that did the trick. Wow, that is really loud. I really don't know what to do now I made a bow. I found some things. No, my one arrow. Can I get it back? Phew.  What did I do to get full health? If you want to follow me on my adventure at this, let me know if it doesn't do very well on my channel Maybe I can do it on a second channel or something. All right guys. I love you all. Thanks for watching this I hope it was eventful. I I feel like nothing happened But maybe it was fun to watch if you enjoyed this like it subscribe if you want to see more or if you want better Content click or tap on the videos on your screen right now. Um, I got nothing. I feel like I did terribly. I apologize