Well, hello everybody. Welcome to another episode of Dr. Jill live. I am so excited to talk about my favorite topic again with a repeat guest, Brian Carr. Brian is a second generation indoor environmental consultant who specializes in working with hypersensitive individuals with complex medical conditions. I'm a kind of environmental specialist that we'd like to work with because a lot of times in this industry, we'll talk a little bit about this. It's hard to find the kinds of remediers like Brian and his company. We inspect that really understand how sensitive some of our patients are and and really go to the lengths that are needed. And again, we'll dive into all that today. So if you are suffering from mold related illness or have had a question about maybe mold in your home or workplace. We're going to talk, we're going to get into the details today with Brian. He helps patients clients understand if mold mycotoxins or other endopathogens exist in their home. And we'll talk about all the types of things that can exist. And the things that can contribute to health conditions. As you know, from hearing me talk a lot of these things are invisible. And we were just talking before we went on so often patients are like, no, there's no mold my home. So we're going to talk about like why you might be missing the source of your health condition. We become a go to mold and biotoxin resource for many, many medical practitioners across the country and helped over 5000 hypersensitive individuals worldwide to create healthier living environments. Brian is a co founder of we inspect and an expert at identifying indicators of mold growth, including but not limited to strategically sampling sampling, validating and developing remedial strategies for mold growth and biotoxin production in all areas of the home or building, including walls, floors, ceilings, cross spaces, basements, addicts, and HVAC systems. Welcome Brian. Great to see you again today. That is so long. I got to fix that. That is out of control. I'm surprised we even got through all that.  I know I was like, Yeah, here we go. I got to get that fixed but hey thanks for having me. I'm super excited. You're welcome. So we have talked before but let's just give a brief background and we all have a story. How did you get into the mold remediation business. So we're actually not in remediation so we're inspections. And it's like a super common, like thing to confuse because everybody kind of thinks of it as the same thing. It's very very much not the same thing as a good place to start kind of. Perfect. Actually, I'll start with what you asked and then I'll go into that. So my background. I have a story like a lot of other people do. Mine didn't involve me getting nearly as sick as a lot of people do, but it involved some health reactions of things that were going on. Basically, I lived in an apartment building in LA there was a leak in the ceiling in my apartment building it almost fell on top of me while I was sitting in my. I go out of the way, falls down have this massive thing the pipe up for the bathroom upstairs. And long story short I'm working with the landlord trying to get it figured out and then you know they get somebody in there to look for more like oh there can't be mold we dried it now there's no mold there it's fine everything's fine in the meanwhile there's still big old freaking water stains on my ceiling. They didn't even like paint it.  So, luckily at the time, my wife who I was dating at the time, her dad is like one of the best well known guys that does this in the whole country. And she connected me with her dad. He came over to my place he was at my 800 square foot apartment for about four hours or something. That my ceiling issue it might have been dry right around where the problem was but what happened is when water hits a horizontal surface it goes sideways, it went all the way across my ceiling, all the way down all four of my walls. Oh, you were in a. I was in like a mold the toxic mold box. And I was like all the stuff. So basically figure that out he found a couple of things in my apartment and I was just kind of blown away by how that went and just significant difference between like you know local inspector Joe guy and then like, and then like this guy who's like a nationally like, like this guy knows what he's doing. So I just kind of got connected with them I loved it. I asked him on the spot if I could work with them. Wow, because I felt like I don't know I just felt like I had to and fast forward and here we are. And that's kind of unbelievable yeah it takes a very unique perspective and my medical stuff it's curiosity for helping the patients get to the root cause. But in your place is the same same skill set really this curiosity to go a little bit deeper. So we could go so many directions but one of the things I would love to start with is that clinical visit I'm a patient I see the markers on the labs that make me a little nervous there might be mold some maybe inflammatory markers new auto immune disease maybe a change in my health when they moved to a new location. And you know the story, and then I'm asking them and I know this if I say do you have mold in your house. 99% of them are going to say no, there's no mold, or they might even say we thought there might be mold because we had this thing happen leak whatever. And we had an inspector come and there was you know one air sample and it was normal, right. So we know that backstory and I know often I'll ask much more detailed questions but tell us why that's often why mold is so often hit like let's set the stage of of why your job and mine too can be so hard because it's not usually that obvious and yet it can be causing a massive problem. Yeah, can you see the flu. And you see any of this stuff. No, this is all microscopic stuff that you can't see mold and bacteria are not different right they're just not a virus they're mold or bacteria. We breathe it all in the same way, we breathe it all in the same way. So, what happens is that people here mold, and you know it's funny like if you search like literally if you search Kobe I think all of us now know what that little thing looks like. So basically they create an image that you can then associate with whatever it is because people don't understand stuff they can't see. So a marketing tool, anybody wants to market something, figure out a way to have somebody visually connect with what we're talking about and they can now have a better understanding of it because we all rely on our senses to do things right. That's why the Kobe spike thing with like the orange and purple colors everybody knows exactly what it looks like. Right. Nobody knew what it looked like before, but everybody knows what it looks like now. So with mold it's kind of the same thing like if you search mold online what do you see you see black covering walls. I'll tell you one thing the little covert guys are not that big and purple and green flying around here where I can see them and mold is not covering your walls but they do that because they're selling mold cleaning products and they're selling this and they're selling your title stuff and how do they sell it to you. You have to connect where somebody can see what they're purchasing and they can wrap their head around something they could see better than a concept that they don't understand. And so that's why people think that mold looks like that but the reality is this is what mold looks like. There's a little bubbling paint on the wall under a window. My baseboard just pulling off the wall a little bit.  It's like worked a little bit. There's a little stain that's like this big on my ceiling. That's what mold looks like because what mold needs to grow is water. Those are the signs of water damage that we can see and our eyes can actually see those things. We can't see mold. So the way that we go through a house is we understand what water damage looks like and not water right now. Water from 10 years ago that worked your floor can still have a hidden mold problem under there if it wasn't immediately mediated. And that's the big secret to this whole thing is to not actually look for mold when you go into a house is to look for signs of water damage and ask the right questions to understand what's happened historically to the house as well. You put all that together. It's just like what you do. It's just like what you do. Yeah, gosh, it's a great explanation because it really is most of the time very hidden. And it could be like in the case of your box of mold in the apartment in LA like you're living in this place that is absolutely exuding mycotoxins. Let's talk a bit about that. There's nothing on the walls by the way. That room looks look just like this. That's the thing, right. And what you said I think is such a great analogy I've never heard that but I love the viral flu analogy because these are 2.5 microns and less when you look at viral particles in microns of mycotoxins. So with the mold spores, right, they're pretty large. They don't actually go into our bloodstream through our lungs are too big, and even our good filtration systems like HEPA they're going to pull out the spores if there's any spores in the air those are pretty large. And those are not the dangerous thing. Those are even visible, the invisible mycotoxins which is what a mold secret which can go right through the wall and can remain after a mold is taking care of or cleaned up right. Mycotoxins are 2.5 microns or below and it's the same as the virus is literally the only kind of filtration system that will take that out is a VOC filter, which is that carbon or whatever. So with all this invisibility and the concept obviously people who listen to my podcast know about mold a lot of them have suffered from mold. Before you start, say I have a client who is you know I see all these signs and I'm like oh Brian, let's see if we have something in your environment and they call you and say Brian come over, pay to you to inspect and look at this. Take us through the house like with them how would you walk through and what would you be looking for. We'd have like a 30 to 60 minute conversation before we even show up right so like, again, everyone think of this the same way. We're, when you go and work with like Dr. Jill, and there's like an onboarding form of all of your medical history and there's all this stuff that they that she needs to know before she could sit down with you and say okay, here's what I'm kind of seeing to start with you tell me what what's going on with you. And okay here's just going on with you okay here's the test that I think we need to run based on your history, and what you're telling me is going on with you cool then I get the results back from the test okay. So here's what we found in the test we know what's going on now. Here's a plan in a priority form of order of how we attack this problem. Right, that's that we do the same exact thing it's literally the same exact thing except for inside of a body it's inside of a house. It's inside of the living system just like a body right it's all interconnected and there's if something's happening over here can have an effect over here the same way in the body. So the first thing is a conversation. What's going on why are you even reaching out about this right usually people I get to us are sick. Right, like, that's the reputation we have everybody knows like I've been looking for this for five years and can't find it. Right. And so that's kind of where it starts. And then we start talking about what kind of, what kind of symptoms are there. What's going on, because the testing panels in terms of what we're doing in the house.  It's, what's your symptom set what's going on so if you're somebody's like a multi system multi symptom problem right I've got, I got symptoms I've got brain fog and I got skin stuff my hair is falling out and my seven I'm just peeing the bed all of a sudden randomly and all of these things are happening. Well at that point we know we're expanding our testing panel. So look at a larger kind of look at water damage oxen and components that could be attributing to that. If you're someone that's way on the other side, like I don't know I'm just concerned about it and I have like a, you know, sniffing nose or whatever, then do you need to do as much. It probably doesn't align with your goals so much right so. So understanding why you're reaching out is understanding what your goals are, and then it's talking about the history of the house. And when I say history of the house. Where have there been leaks that you know of. Right and, and this is the one thing I say everybody, like, yes, and they always say like the big thing oh I had this pipe leak and this one have I had this but cool tell me all that stuff I want to know Now that we've done that, tell me all the teeny tiny things that you didn't think were a big deal. Yeah, well I had to drip under my sink cabinet. And I noticed it after like a couple weeks and then I just put a bucket under there afterwards. All right, that's a problem. Right, because you're dripping into a cabinet for my kids flash out of the bathtub and like the baseboards near the top are like a little, you know they look a little weird and funky. That's water hitting it. The thing, the thing that we do a lot as people is we normalize stuff that happens all the time. Yeah. So instead of us having a unique one time reaction to something. It happens over and over and over again we kind of numb and dull ourselves to that right so our reaction isn't as strong as it would be the first right. That means we start hearing oh we'll see sinks leak. It's normal, whatever kids splash out of the tubs there's no fixing that side note there is my kid doesn't splash out of the tub because I can't. All these areas of like normal water things that happen. We dismiss them because they're normal but those are the areas we should be most concerned about because there's a higher probability of the water thing happening. Or my college kids takes a shower for an hour and doesn't turn on the exhaust fan and there's condensation like that's kind of normal and yet, as we know, it's the wall surface and wallpaper whatever that condensation. Yeah, 100% and so to like to wrap it up it's like tell me all of these things let me get a list of all these things so I know certain things just from a history perspective going in that we're going to want to check out and then we do a deep dive with a house we're usually at a house, depending on the size anywhere from like four to eight hours probably on average depending on big it is every room, every closet, crawl space attic basement open up every air conditioning system you have five of them I guess we're opening them all up. Like all of that stuff because it's all connected and it's all part of what's going on. I love that you're describing this because people can realize and obviously I understand what you do how thorough it is and how much it takes because you have someone come in who comes in in an hour to glances around and then takes an air sample. There's nothing wrong with their samples it's one piece of data. It's a good piece of data. But as you and I know it can miss things just like any any tests that we're using can miss things. But I want to say this because I have a lot of patients who come in. I am sure from the labs there's some mold somewhere, and they said, oh we had a mold inspector or we had two or three mold inspectors and everything was fine I get that so often. So I want to kind of differentiate the kind of work you do and people who really know what they're doing in the inspection world versus someone who maybe has the base and really tell me this to with that with this industry. I understand there's not as much regulation so you don't always know what kind of inspector the qualifications is that true. Totally true. It's actually the whole thing is just kind of ridiculous like from top to bottom. The states don't even care if you're certified they just so the so it's a money grab by the states to get you to just pay a license like so if you wanted to be licensed in like New York or Florida or Texas or something you just have to jump through a couple of hoops and get your license it has nothing to do with if you actually know what you're doing. And there's separate certifications that are specific to our industry is not a state license that are at least teach you a little bit more right and they don't even require that so like the state licensing thing it doesn't really mean a whole lot other than somebody went through and did it. And then our industry certifications is all based on stuff that was written like 2030 years ago. And so you know imagine like in your field if you just stop learning 20 years ago like you wouldn't even be doing what you're doing right now. So it's really tough and it's hard and I understand as far because if I'm somebody who's out there it's like well then how do I find somebody right if I can't look because the the through line is like are they certified with a particular certification I look at the site it means that they have two years or eight years and they know X Y or Z or whatever. The problem is it's not hard to get any certification. They stopped getting certifications because they mean absolutely nothing and I don't want to waste my time said other stuff to do. So like I have you know I have but like there are people who are like loaded with certifications and it's just kind of funny to me like I just don't really understand the point of it, unless your job is I'm going to go out and be a legal expert and so I need all the certifications to be an expert witness right like that's that's the deal. The thing, the thing to keep in mind and you're saying it to so most the story that you told us a story that happens all the time, and I see a lot of time to so doctor tells someone that they're sick. They're like, first off, someone sick doctor doesn't get it takes them two years five years 10 years to find the doctor that's like okay. Here's what's going on it's a mold thing so ever long that took for you to get there let's assume you just started today and you found found you right.  Hey this guy's got five stars column up. Oh yeah it's you know it's $800 we include three samples we come out we do this we give you cool. We come out and they do exactly what you said is what happened in my apartment they come out they do two samples you one outside they do one in one room maybe you're lucky they do one or two in another room you're lucky whatever. And then they come back and those samples pretty much always say there's no problem. Why do they say there's no problem because air samples are a good tool. If they're used in the right way, you should pretty much never use an air sample in the middle of a room for an air quality test, it is not what it is good at doing. So what is good at doing is knowing is there a hidden problem behind the wall that's not visible. And can I put a tube through this wall and collect air from behind the wall right where I think the problem is. So air samples the further away you get from source, like exponentially less effective they are accurate they are. So like we did I did an internal study for like a year on this I won't go through the ins and outs of it but like if I thought there was mold in this wall I would then come over here and take an air sample three feet away 70% of the time that sample gave a false negative when there was a problem right here. Okay, so first off if anyone's watching like I've had somebody come in and they did air sample did everything was fine. I'm sorry, but that kind of doesn't mean anything, unfortunately, like a mold inspector should inspect something for the love. Like, maybe just go out there and try a little bit. Like, when these guys come in they're like air sample air sample air sample and I'm out in 45 minutes or an hour. Where did you look. And if that sample came back and said there was a problem let's say it did let's say it was a 30% of time where it did show something that was there. Where did it come from. What do you do. They'll give you one of two answers one got your entire room because I have no idea where it's coming from, or two, I have a magic fog that just gets rid of everything and then it'll never be a problem again. And that doesn't work either. Right. So you have to find source you have to find root cause you have to know where it's coming from or else it's going to keep coming and keep coming as relentless and just going to keep beating the hell out of you.  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So grab your copy today and begin your own transformational journey through functional medicine in finding resilience. Yeah, and I love the real key there is even I am not the expert and I will always admit that but I know just enough to ask them the right questions or if I was walking outside know the kinds of place or even my own place right the places to look and I again I'm a novice I am not the expert, but that inspection the actual looking at under sinks in bath and it's crawl spaces. I've done that if I've looked at homes to buy I'd had someone come in and go into the crawl space and look at those places because the visual inspection with is which is what you're saying is really the core of finding the route and you can still be human and miss those things but there's no inspection without a really good knowledgeable visual inspection. And like you said just to reiterate a lot of times there's these spores and things contained behind the walls, and you and I know the really toxic black molds they love a water source and they love to stay put under floorboards behind walls. It is extremely rare to get stagibotus or ketomium and air samples unless you have post hurricane, you know completely flooded home that's filled with with those things so it's actually even more concerning because the really toxic molds that are causing the neurological problems are even less likely to be in the air samples. So, so obviously there's air sampling there's I still like the qpcr because I feel like somebody that gives a historical. Is that something you typically do as part of the inspection. Absolutely, so I'll kind of walk you through so there's basically two goals of an inspection first one is figure out where sources. That's how the source has kind of migrated into the living space, which is what you're breathing right so imagine factory factories the source smoke coming out of the factory. That's the cross contamination if you live in a house over here. Somebody might tell you like oh you live in a place with a pollution problem you're breathing all the smoke from this factory. I live in place with a factory problem. That's my problem my problem is a factory and this is, but this is the direct impact on me from the factory. You have to address both things. You can't only go after the smoke, because more smoke will come.  So you have to go after both things. So from a source perspective, we talked targeted air samples right so I probably bash air samples all the time because most people use them incorrectly. If you're using them properly they're one of the best tools that you can have. I love that you said that so we are real clear they can be very, very appropriate it's just knowing, like you do how to use them appropriately. And we use them in every single inspection but they're never just sitting in the middle of a room. They're in an isolated cabinet, they're in a wall, they're in I mean it's just it's just targeting as close as you can so that's why it's targeted or source air samples and I always differentiate them like an ambient middle of a room sample from like a source targeted air sample or a different so you have one of those, or you have some sort of surface testing right there's something you think is something going on you you swap it you tape it whatever you do. That's your source ID those are literally the only two things to do for source identification. That's it, you figure out if there's a problem there.  Okay, your heating air conditioning system is like the lungs of your house it sucks air in from the house, and then it's breeds it out everywhere else except they're having one mouth that has like 50 miles for all the vents and so it's sucking everything in and spreading it out, your air conditioning system can either be its own source, or it could become cross contaminated and just start spreading stuff around all over the place it could be either one it just depends how impacted it is so you have that your second level your house is all your structural surfaces wall ceilings floors cabinets all that stuff that's where the sources are right, and then the third level of the house is the settlement that comes down on all the surfaces in the house. Don't worry about it, you sit down on your chair to bump your desk you do whatever you're popping up little particles constantly up in your breathing time this is called the personal cloud effect there's research papers or there's literally home science papers on this stuff. This is how you get exposed to things. Okay, so you have all three levels of the house that means that in a proper inspection and remediation plan. You can address all three levels of the house, if the goal is to not be exposed to it anymore. Right. So that's the idea so we're talking about air conditioning system and settlement in the house that's where you get into dust testing that's where the research papers are on talking about basically what it's saying is as you move around the house.  And that's what you're breathing over and over and over. So dust collection is the best way to get your eyes on that PCR for mold. It shows you not only the spores right we just talked about the spores are bigger right but the spores are not really the problem. It's the tiny particles and fragments that break off the colonies and why are they the problem, because our filtration system in our body that's meant to protect our lungs. So it's hectic against particles that are that small, it's like a net, right, and the particles go right through the net, right through the net, right and they go right into the lungs, and that's where you can get into the bloodstream. So PCR picks up on anything with the DNA signature which includes a little particles and it doesn't matter if they're alive or dead to trigger the immune response. So the question of like, Oh, well is it alive or dead who cares. Most of the stuff in the house is actually dead or dormant and you know what, everyone is still reacting to it. So that's the deal. So PCR there then you can also do like chemical analysis and dust to microtoxin antibacterial toxin stuff like that and that's how you build up plan. Oh, fantastic. And I love that you said, you were the one who originally, I think we talked about this before we the dried flower arrangement.  I just want to reiterate because you said this but for patients that are suffering from mold related illness. Those fragments of dead dried old mold will still trigger immune inflammatory response which is why you do this inspection you find the source and that's your factory analogy. But then whatever was there in the environment in your HVAC system in your air conditioning system or your heating system or just the dust in your home if you don't take care of that after the remediation, people still don't get well and and that's part of the process as well. I think that it didn't work. This is the problem this is why if you're one of the hundreds of 1000 people and the surge and toxic mulled line group this and the lime and mold in this Facebook group that and all the groups with all the mold stuff. And they all say, it's impossible. You have to live in the woods I have to live in a trailer. It's not impossible. There's three things you need to do in a house. If you do all three of them it doesn't work you're going to walk in and feel exactly the same. If you only handle the sources, and you left the settled stuff in the house and the air conditioning system you walk in. The smoke is still there. If you only did one of the other. This is why remediation only doesn't work for two reasons one you didn't find the sources and two you just didn't clean it all up right. It works all the time, because I see it work all the time. So for all of you who are feeling like kind of down and like and what sort of like hopeless. Yeah, defeated. It's not that it doesn't work see we feel like that because we think we don't understand why it's not we're just like, oh, it can't ever work. I'm telling you this is why it doesn't work which means if you actually do it the right way it does work we just weren't doing it the right way. Gosh I couldn't agree more and I want to also reiterate something you said earlier that I think it's a big misnomer, someone comes in said oh we'll just fog and clear it out. That will take care that does the pig pen effect temporarily it will not get to the root, and it might what why it's probably felt like it's worked as people feel better temporarily because that does burden, and that particulate in their environment is a little bit better for maybe a month maybe a few weeks. Right and but it all comes back if you haven't gotten to the source. That's always the timeline. Yeah, it's like month or two later. And here's the thing is that they're going to tell you and remember you said live or dead doesn't matter. So like digging a little bit more. First off, let's let's pretend that it killed everything. Cool. It doesn't matter it's all still there that they didn't remove it. It's also there. Right. Now the second thing. These toxins are not alive. They are a chemical. So there's this magic fog don't let anyone sell you on this magic fog that's going to get rid of your mold, and it's also going to somehow denature a chemical compound because it apparently does all of those things. And it's going to somehow get behind your walls and get in there and do all that too, and make it all just disappear into nothingness it doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. I think we're talking about this because this is a common theme. And I want to say, there is one caveat to that if you are really suffering, you can't move you have a landlord you're stuck. You don't know the source you don't have time and you fog you can temporary buy some time that isn't about it costs a lot of money, but say you fog and do a small part to get cleaning you haven't found the source, you will feel better for a few months. And again, it's money, but if you have the resources and you don't have an option to leave or remediate immediately, it could buy you time, but it is not getting to the root problem. So, love that you said that. Interesting. I want to talk to the pig pen thing back in my original experience with mold exposure. My contractor brilliantly put this 1970s building he remodeled my office and there's this old horrible carpet probably full of toxins and molds and the office was remodeled right over an unfinished cross space that had standing water didn't know any of this, but they put a beautiful new bamboo floor, right over that carpet instead of tearing it up and creating. And so can you imagine I'm walking every step bamboos very a softwood. So every step as I got sicker and sicker and they're turned out to be a massive mold issue. I was walking on this soft bamboo flooring that was put over this 20 year old carpet. I don't know how I mean it was just toxic but I laugh now because now that I know how crazy is that the shortcuts that happen. I mean it's not just in one industry every industry or show your industry does my industry does guys who do do bug stuff like our, I had a whole podcast on the guy who was doing my like insect whatever in the back yard, and I was so upset because all he did was spray. And then I go and I look under like these light canisters and I see all the spider eggs, like sacks. Like, the same thing. I sprayed instead of finding the source you know what's going to happen all these freaking spiders are going to break out and be everywhere because you didn't actually go figure out where they're coming from it happens in every single industry. It doesn't is the same here right there's got you have a mature arthritis here's methyl trexate that'll cover up your symptoms but it doesn't go to the root of why do you have arthritis in the first place. I always love talking to you Brian and the time goes like this. One last thing I want to just talk about is what's there's a couple myths. I want to be a myth buster today, new homes, multimillion dollar homes, you know, people are like, Oh, well I bought this really expensive or my home is brand new or I bought into a new condo that's brand new built. How often are you seeing mold issues in new builds and newer buildings, compared to older structures like what's the, the thoughts on that because obviously, no places is perfectly safe. It's tough because when you get into this than the reaction from somebody listening to it says there's no hope anywhere. Now we're back to the trailer and the work. Yeah, so I like to talk about it carefully like the point of these conversations I know I get like really excited this doesn't work this does work and sometimes people like Brian just like, it's like, he doesn't help he just says what doesn't happen what doesn't happen. The point is to let us understand what the reality is so then we can start making decisions based off of like the truth of how it works instead of not right. So with new homes. First off, any home can have a more problem. Okay, any home can have a more problem. Now the nice thing is talk pros and cons of new homes that way it's not just all like negative pros and cons. There's no history. Okay, so the dishwasher that flooded 40 years ago when grandma lived in the house that wasn't properly handled that can have happened, right. The more history of house has the more improperly handled water events are now in grained in the house right. So that's a that's a pro on the new house side right is that you're not inheriting all this stuff that happened before right that went on with that. Okay. On the downside outside of the mole front there's a lot of new building materials in there there's chemical off gassing there's kind of like the other thing that you sort of have to deal with on that side so some people are have more triggers but they haven't gotten all the way to the point where they haven't been able to deal with it yet and so maybe that's okay and they can deal with that because they're not so far down other people have triggered MCS and a host of other things off the end of being having all the issues. And so then the new house can't really work for them either because of all the off gassing. But the other thing with new homes is the way the homes are built. And I literally just talked to a client today I'm going to their house tomorrow. Their house when it was built the roof took two months to close the house and it snowed and rained into the house. Who knows how long and they were pushing it out with push rooms out of the inside of their house. And now we're wondering why the kids and everyone else and they're having all of these problems. Right. And they were told oh this isn't an issue this isn't an issue we've had multiple inspectors this isn't an issue right so in the build your house isn't always sealed and covered right right. So there could be elements that happen at the time, and it rains in and it causes a problem that could be one thing the other thing is the lumber and stuff that's being used is stored if you ever go drive by a site as we're just sitting in the dirt outside. And it grows like that's where it starts then they take the wood up and there's mold on the way they build with it so if you're able to, if you're like involved in the process from start to finish and you can kind of see it all happening. You could try to insert a space in the middle, where before they close with drywall, you come and just have the whole thing remediated.  Now let's say you're going into a house where you don't have that ability it's a track place or maybe it's like two years old or something or they just built it and it's fully built and now you're ready to move in and you can see it. So there's a couple little tricks that you can do to get a feel for like the type of wood that was used and maybe some of the elements might have happened keep in mind like you can't know everything right. But if there's an attic, go in the attic, look at the wood up there is their mold all over a lot of the wood, they use the same wood to build your whole house. So if you go up there and you see number of areas that's like a significant mold issue, you could kind of assume they're using the same wood to build the rest of the place like for me I'm out of that place like now show me another one show me another one let me go up and look at another one. And then, if you are going to go into a place, you can run, you can run a dust test, and you can see what the load of mold is in there. Right. So when they're building what are they doing they're disturbing their hammering their pounding they're doing this so if there's mold on the framing on the building material and all the stuff it's going to get out just like the smoke off the sources, right. Nobody find particle cleans a house before they give it to you they cosmetically clean a house right, which means all the all that stuff is still in there. So even if you move in a new house you absolutely should be doing a fine particle clean if you're somebody who's definitely for somebody who's sensitive, you should be doing that, but you could do, you could do a dust test in there, and you can see like how bad the load is you can even test from Michael talk you can do the whole thing in there. And the other big thing that you have to be careful of in new homes is the air conditioning systems. So, they run the air conditioning systems in the houses because the workers get hot. Yeah, they're running the air conditioning system all the walls are exposed and they're banging all the stuff that we just talked about it goes in the air conditioning system so I had a client years ago. I had a $5 million house some nice house in LA that I went up in the hills somewhere to this house. Beautiful house. Didn't find one thing that looked like a source anywhere in the house get in the attic their stuff on the attic like I just talked about the three air conditioning units every unit lives in the attic. I tested all three of the units for dust testing on the interior of the units, tested the attic, you know, framing and stuff that was in there, every unit, every air conditioning unit was was heavily contaminated. Wow. So, it doesn't mean you can't avoid it. It's, it just means that you have to know what to look for and like what to test and what to do before you get into a multi $100,000 million dollar thing is once you're in you're like, Oh, now I have all this money in here and move all your things in and if it really is can I love that you said that because my thought now is I'm in this condo and I love it as somebody I may move to a home. Because multi level just like my I don't know if I don't think I mentioned here but I mentioned before last summer, my neighbor above had a fridge leak went down into my condo and of course I had no control over that, kind of like your landlord LA apartment. But I wanted to say, as I'm looking for homes in the future, I have decided there's probably going to be some issue and almost anything I want to buy. So it's what am I willing to risk and take care of. So I'm going into it actually as someone who's mold sensitive knowing, no matter what house I want to purchase, I just had to find out is this something I'm willing to deal with because there's probably going to be some pieces of remediation.  So I actually like to empower people that way because like you said it can be really discouraging. If you're mold sensitive, you just have to know you're in this environment. Number one, if you listen to some of the other podcasts, we can build resilience so that you aren't as sensitive that's a whole nother topic. But number two, like you said Brian, you can go in with a mindset. Okay, I need to find all the issues and then what am I willing to pay for or remediate or deal with and there's some big issues like foundational issues I wouldn't mess with. Some pump maybe maybe not but maybe a window that needs replacing easy right and fix that fogging the house so I like thinking about as you're probably going to run into something and what am I willing to deal with. Can I give a quick game plan on how to do that. Please. I used to work with a lot of people when they were looking for new homes when I only worked in LA so I was able to do that. And had this one particular client like she we ended up looking at 12 different homes she was really sick the whole thing. We looked at 12 different places, she ended up was she was just so discouraged at the end of it it took like a year and a half or whatever to like both those stuff that she ended up buying like the worst place. And then she gutted the whole thing. I'm buying the worst one that I can get the best deal and I'm just gutting the entire thing and we're remediating the starting from scratch. Now that's not the point of the story not everybody can do that but the point of the story is what I learned going through all the houses with her on how to identify stuff to save money, because when it started. I was going through it the same way I would go through like a house that somebody lived in. We got to test all the sources we got to know where everything is because you need to know what you're in for we got to do the a we got to do all these things because you have to know what you're in for before you commit you know an LA it's like a million dollars right, and there was validity to that right like it's like you need to know what you're in for, but there's a way to phase into knowing what you're in for that I learned on like house three or four throughout this process. So, the first thing is you do it you do a straight visual and I've done this for multiple people since then, you do a straight visual.  Okay, because what you said is true everywhere is going to have a problem. So if you're leaving and you're saying, Oh, I'm just going to go find another place but we know every place has a problem. Well, how bad was your place is the problem you're moving into the same level of problem. Is it worse is it not. So you have to know where you are right now and you have to know how bad it is. Okay, this is your starting point your goal is to not make a lateral move. Right. So this is to make a better move. That's the goal, right.  Same cabinet this that whatever was there was nine factories that were found. Plus you have an idea of what the dust stuff is and what your exposure looks like right okay here's my starting point. You go start looking at houses first thing you do is a visual, you learn what water damage looks like which we can teach you how to do right so you learn what water damage looks like. You go through the house. All you need is a flashlight you need nothing else, literally all you need, and you could screen out houses just from looking at them if you know what to look for and where to look for it which is not it's really not that hard once you know what to look for literally taught people in Japan how to do this and they've done it and found like 30 things in their house it's not hard to do. If you see more than the nine things leave. Cool, I'm out I didn't spend a dollar on testing this house because the first thing I did was I looked and I learned what to look for and I got empowered and I figured it out right. So now let's say you go through houses you go through six seven houses they all have seven eight nine things seven isn't good enough if you were nine and seven is the answers not good enough, like it better five, three, four, five that's what you're looking for right. So you finally find a place you go through say okay there's a few things here keep in mind you're probably at minimum always going to find someone between three or five things in a house is probably not going to be any less than that. So okay cool so now I know what this now the next question you ask yourself to turn this into like a training or downloaders yeah I know you ask yourself. What areas are the areas with water damage just before you test anything you're still just looking at it what areas are that are they isolated areas, or the areas that look systemic and massive impacting, because that's cost to fix it. Is it a sink cabinet. That's an easy fix. Is it the ceiling below an air conditioning unit. That's a massive problem. Right. So not each single water damage thing is equal in terms of the cost to fix it right. So that's the next thing so then you look at it before you test anything. Say okay, could I handle remediating these five things if they were all bad. Yeah, cool. Okay, next step, I'm going to do an earn or I'm going to do a dust test in the house, and I'm going to test their conditioning system. The dust test in the house shows you how much because you might not have found all of them, right so you didn't find all the spots, right. So the dust test of the house is going to give you the overall load of everything that's been in that house that you're going to be exposed to right. You need to have done a dust test in your own house so you can get comparison point right you see it. So you do that. You do the same thing with the with the air conditioning system. Is it is it really bad contaminate if it is you're looking 2030 grand replace entire conditioning system know that is that feasible, is it not feasible if not walk. If you find microtoxins that any of them walk it right so like you ease into the testing you do visual first and you just basic screen testing before. Now if the screen tests come back in there good. If you find microtoxin sure there's some mold but that's going to be everywhere. I can deal with this there's only four sources. This isn't super bad.  If the visual looks good. Put the offer and do it right there. And then you have a contingency that's anywhere from 10 to 14 days. And then each day, you do your dust testing right away you send it out to take seven days to get that you'll get those results before your contingency is up everyone if you don't know this, you can get 100% of your money back if you back out for any reason within your contingency period. You could back out because you said you saw ghosts in there, and it doesn't matter they'll give you all of your money back. Okay, so what you want to do is you want to lock it down and then you systemically work through the processing flow, all the way through and then the nice little kicker on this is if you do find which you will, if you do find a mold elevation and a dust test right it's always going to be there just no matter how much. Then you go back to the seller to say hey listen, I really like this place you're already in the deal with them now. You're already in the deal they want the deal to go through there's no other offers sitting here right they want the deal to go through with you. Okay, I really like this place. I have a mold allergy use use phrases that people can relate to right don't say I have toxic mold syndrome right like what is that. I'm a little allergic to mold, and I see that there's some here so I just love to get like a like maybe some testing can we extend this for like five days. They'll all say yes they want to close the deal, then you source test everything. Figure out how bad it is, then you go back to them, because now you have testing data tied to the house that they have to disclose whoever's coming in next. Now you say listen, there's sources here. There's this. I like this place. I'm willing to do it. I need X amount of a credit in order to do it. But anyway, if I walk away you know how to disclose all of these problems that I found the next person that comes in, you have leverage. Okay, it's just about using into it and like taking the leverage and manipulating the system and your benefit. So this has been a training I've been wanting to do for a long time. This Brian this is pearls of such great wisdom. Yeah this is, oh my goodness this is so great I know if you're listening out there. This is such valuable information because no one's talking about it.  Are you doing a PCR what are you doing with the units of air conditioning to test. So we're going in we're going to where the actual unit is and we're opening it where like the fan the blower fan is it spins around where the coil is in there and we're actually in there testing. Okay, are you doing an air sample in there like in the like intricate. No, we're doing dust testing. Most systems don't have mold growing in them. Yeah, they do you swab it and take it right. Most of them don't have mold most of them just look a little dirty. Yes, the composition of the dust. Got it. Okay, I think sure that was clear because I made that's a really really wise thing.  So people are dying to know where they're going to find you you've got some things coming out tell us a little about what you're working on because I always love. I just want to say to those listening Brian is brilliant and I love that you're helping us as doctors in this industry because you're making our job easier to help heal the patients. And what I love that you're doing is you're constantly getting how can people themselves be more empowered. You've got lots of things going on so tell us about that. Yeah, so I mean our, if you want us to come to your house we can that's what that's we do that all over the country that's what we do. Yes we inspect calm that's our website you can get a free phone console just click the button so that that's what it is. So as far as like what's going on so we have, we have two services out now and within about a month or a third one is we're testing it right now I'm super pumped about it it will be out. Me too. I know. First, we'll, we'll literally go anywhere. We fly all over the country. I have inspectors strategically placed in different cities in the country to make travel easy. Big question comes up. Are you outsourcing your inspectors know I literally am training all of them myself they understand our flow our sequence is all under our umbrella. So that's, that's one thing. A couple years ago I created a program called mode finders method this is a training program was 100% training program to teach people how to go through and find all of these things on their own like I mentioned. In there, it tells you about what are the five signs of water damage, where do you look for them in every room. This core program is what people on six different continents have used to find all kinds of problems in their houses. So, and it's, we're not coming there right it's a DIY program right so it's kind of like you do it on your own this entire training program you can do it is like so much more affordable than like having somebody come out. The downside is, we're not there, there's no consulting back and forth you know all of it right so there's a balance in between. Well in the meantime, I've been trying to figure out how to make some sort of hybrid version of that so two years ago at our meeting, I put out that our goal was to be able to service every provide a service and help every single person no matter where they live in the world and no matter how much money they have. And that has been something we've been working for for a couple years right now, you know, our company has been a so you know we're not we're not cheap to fly somewhere and do all the testing you need right and sometimes it discourages people and I get that, but you shouldn't be independently wealthy, or happen to live in a location where you just have more options like what if I live in the middle of Idaho, like, why can I get help right. And so that that's what we've been working on so basically what we've been doing is we built out our entire framework for how you go through every single room of your house. We built off the mole finders method training program, and then we merged in a lot of the stuff that we do in person as well, and we put it together, and an app that goes on your phone. And the way that it works is, you know, if you're concerned about certain areas or whatever's going on you can literally room by room. It will show you exactly what what pictures we need to see so the nice thing about this if you don't have to learn how to look for anything. The mole finders method was a training program yet to put some time and put some sweat equity in but if you did it really worked. This is, can you take a picture of this this this this and this are you capable of doing that on your phone, you are awesome. Do that send it in and we will look at it and tell you where the problems are. Right. And that's what the new that's what's coming out in like a month we've been working on it for two years. And it's I mean frankly it's going to change the entire industry, and also frankly, a lot of people are going to be pretty pissed off that we have it offered and there's going to be a lot of that happening out there but I kind of don't care because it's not about what our industry thinks about us, it's about what we can do to provide access and knowledge and price availability to everybody at wherever they are on their stage.  Now, there's going to be an app where you can just inspect two rooms and it's going to be a fraction of the cost. Right. So there's all these different ways that it's going to work. But no matter where you are and what your goals are and this is why we have to have these conversations up on what you're looking to achieve and what it is that we have something that's going to work and and it's all based in the same process of find the problem, validate the problem, remove the sources, clean up the mess they made. Wow, I love it Brian and so grateful that years ago I'm sorry that you have the experience in LA but what a blessing you have been to practitioners like myself patients that are listening and so many people and this will impact the always well of talking to you and I want to say to your analogies of how you describe are so helpful because a lot of this invisible stuff people are overwhelmed and they don't get it and you do a great job of making complex things. Simple. Thank you as always for being here thank you for joining me today. I will be sure and link up with yes we inspect that common everything that's coming out. Wherever you're watching this podcast or listening. Thank you everyone sorry I talked for so long, but thank you. Thank you.


Today we're taking a look at the UNC College Air Jordan 4 PE. We're going to be going through all the ins and outs of this shoe so you guys can have a better understanding as to why this sneaker is worth $7,000. Oh yeah, and if you didn't know by now, my name is DJ and this is the DNA show. Before we start breaking down the shoe and going over the styles, cuts and materials, you know we got to talk about the history first. Michael Jordan went to UNC, he won a championship and then went on to the NBA and obviously did a bunch of tremendous things. And at the beginning of his young career as a Chicago Bull, he actually went back to an alumni game and Nike made him a special pair of Jordan 2s and his college colors. This was slated to be the first ever UNC Jordan PE. And then nearly 20 years later, we saw PEs integrated into the college shoe game as well when it comes to Jordans. And to my memory, I think it was the Jordan 13s. No, no, no. I'm not talking about the low tops. Everybody knows about those. We're talking about the high tops, bruh. If you don't remember that era, trust me when I tell you, this was a legendary time. And I know this video is about UNC, but we cannot forget to mention the J-Hawk Air Jordan 13s. Perfection. But anyways, back on topic, about 8 to 10 years later after the Jordan 13s, we saw the Air Jordan 4s. No, no, no. I'm not talking about those. I'm talking about the original UNC Air Jordan 4 PE. That's better, right there. Now that shoe, oh my gosh. Let's just, again, talk about the era. If you guys don't know, during this time, 2013, 2014, we saw Oregon Ducks. They were killing it with the PEs and they started to integrate other colleges into the PE rotation. So what did they do? They gave UNC a pair, the blue suede, the Argyle print throughout the shoe, amazing sneaker. And then they gave Georgetown that same treatment on their pair. Again, another amazing shoe. We saw the Duck Man 4s and then we saw kind of like a mixed use version because the schools had the same color. They had a Cal Jordan 4 and a Marquette Jordan 4, but it was essentially like the same shoe. Now during this time, these five Air Jordan 4s were the top dogs in the game. Everybody wanted to have them in their collection. Yeah, they were going for a few thousand dollars at the time and now look at them. They're like twenty, thirty thousand dollar shoes. So after we saw that original UNC Air Jordan 4 PE, to me, one of the greatest UNC PEs of all time. Later in the 2018-19 season, we saw the UNC 4 PE come back to life and that was in this version right here. This time around, there were a ton of new sneaker heads coming into the game. Everybody's starting to get interested into PEs and next thing you know, we got a lot of people going after the shoes because what? There were more schools that had Jordan 4 PEs. You have Marquette, Florida, Oklahoma, Georgetown, Michigan and UNC. I've done a full review on that set on this channel before. So if you guys want to check that out, make sure you guys watch that after this video is over. But basically, these Jordan 4 started to set the new tone when it comes to college PEs. A few years before that, we saw the low-top twos, the 29s, the low-top thirteens. A bunch of different iterations that people just didn't show too much interest in. Even though I did, again, everybody follows the hype with the better models. I understand that. And because of that, after this year with the 4s, we then began to see a bunch of new models hit the market that everybody wanted over the past five years. And then now in current time, we still got the low-top Air Jordan 1 that just came out this year. And I'm very interested to see what model they do next year. My guess? The Jordan 7. Now that you guys know a little bit more about the history of the shoe, let's go ahead and take it to the studio. So what we're going to do first is break down this entire sneaker, showing you guys all the details, the ins and outs, the shapes, the custom materials, the color blocking, the patterns, you name it, everything that goes along with it. And then we're going to be comparing it against the UNC Air Jordan 4 General Release. And then I'll let you guys kind of make your mind up, which ones you guys like more. So starting with the bottom, you have your classic Air Jordan 4 outsole, hair and bone traction on the back end and around the front end. Now, typically they kind of do like a triple pattern color on here. You have like something here, different color jump man, different pods, different things. They just went all over translucent ice blue. And honestly, we've seen this on the other College 4 PEs as well. But because it's the UNC pair, it just goes perfect with them. Now, going up to the midsole right here, you have a blue section at the front end with a navy speckle. And then on the back end, you have a two tone midsole, blue on the top, white on the bottom with a navy speckle all throughout. Now, looking inside of the air unit right here, you have a navy air unit matching that same color speckle. Now, going to the top of the shoe, the entire upper is covered in suede and it's all premium feels really, really nice. And you got that UNC blue with the UNC stitch all throughout the sneaker as well. Now, looking at the mesh right here in the nets, you have UNC blue mesh with the UNC nets and then on the arms right here on the side of the foot and the eye holes at the front end right here with that little lace lock area. That's all going to be translucent and you're going to have two different colors on that. You're going to have the navy and the UNC blue speckle all throughout. Now, looking at the tongue, same thing here. You got the UNC mesh in the back end and then the UNC nets above that. And these come standard with a pair of UNC wax laces and they have an additional pair of all white wax laces as well. When it comes to the PEs, you always know they're going to come correct whether it's hang tags or laces or whatever it may be. They always like to add the little trimmings. Speaking of that, you have another hang tag right here and that's going to be in your translucent plastic, classic to the Air Jordan 4 and then it's going to have the UNC color with the translucent jump man and the error logo just below that. Now, looking at the tongue of the shoe right here, you have a UNC patch with the actual North Carolina UNC branding right here in the center of the tongue and that's going to be in navy and it's going to have a black border around that logo. And then below that, you have your classic Air Jordan 4 branding with the white flight right here. Now, on the top of the tongue right here, you have a UNC suede and then on the back end, you have a navy colored material as well. And then instead of having the Air Jordan branding right there, you actually have the football branding. Now, on the left foot, it says UNC and on the right foot, it says football depending on the PE from where it was made, whether it was a football team, the basketball team, different things like that, it might say different things. Now, when it comes to the sock liner on here, you're going to have all UNC blue throughout that and on the right foot, you're going to have a jump man in all black and then on the left foot on the hill, you're going to have the UNC logo in all black as well. Right here, you have an all UNC blue tab and then you have your navy speckled throughout that with the navy jump man in the center of the hill. Now, would it have looked doper if they would have done a UNC logo or a Nike Air branding? I think yes, but I get it during the whole time when they were creating this and they did the whole set. I understand that plus the original samples that came before this version right here, they actually had logos and branding on the outsole and beneath the insole, which is a whole nother topic. I might have seen a couple different versions of some shoes like this before, but we'll talk about that in another video. So overall, as you can see, similar to all the other college four PEs decked out in the school color, I love how they went with the UNC blue. I think it's a really, really clean shoe and overall I'm excited to finally add these to the collection because y'all know I got the UNC threes with the UNC logo on the tongue and I ended up getting the ones as well, which is a crazy shoe and y'all know I had to get the sixes because I love me some sixes. So now when it comes to the comparison of these two sneakers right here, there are a lot of differences between the two shoes. You got the GR and you got the PE version. Obviously the price is way different, but the actual shoes are really, really different as well. So let's start with the bottoms that kind of work our way up. Looking out the outsole as you can see right here, translucent and then like I said, triple three, four colors right here. You got the gray, the black, the white, the blue and then go into the midsole. Same thing is going to be right here. You can see similar when it comes to the color blocking, but different when it comes to the actual colors and then this actually has a gray unit that matches with the paint on the midsole on here. Kind of more like a white cement for compared to like, this one has just kind of got its own thing going. Translucent arms different right there as well and then the same thing with that. Now looking at the suede, you can see a hundred percent drastic difference on this right here. The suede on the PE is just, I mean, way better. This feels a little bit rougher. Some people might say it's nice, but I'm telling you if you put these two side by side, it's just, it's just nicer. Now another thing to notice as well, when you put these two shoes side by side, I'm not sure if you guys have seen or not, but this is where they started to create the retros, you know, with the new modern day OG cut from the 89 Air Jordan 4 from back in the day. So as we've seen Jordan 4's retro over the past few years, we've been seeing this treatment. But when it comes to the UNC PE, these actually came way before the GR did and this was during the era of a different mold, a different cut, a different style. And if you look at the tongues, you can see there's definitely a huge difference how if you look at the profile of the tongue like this, you can see the Navy on the back of it. And then on here, there's definitely none of that. And obviously this is like a whole different shade. Honestly, it looks even more black than Navy. I feel like this is actually black compared to this one being that Navy. And then on the patch on the tongue here, you got the team issued equipment kind of thing, like we've seen back in the day on the jerseys and the shorts and stuff, hang tag. Did these ones come with a hang tag? I don't remember if they, I don't think these came with a hang tag. Am I tripping? Now, don't get me wrong. Some people, they like this version more completely get hit. I like both. I'm not gonna, like if I can only pick one, I would have a hard time picking one. I feel like just because of materials and presentation and how the shoe is put together quality-wise, I'm going with the PE. And typically it's like that with a lot of PE's. But if I were to go color blocking and everything, I feel like because this looks like a white cement floor, that's what's throwing me off because it's like it's not a white cement floor. You're taking like a OG colorway and adding something to it to make it something. So that's why I'm kind of like, eh, you know, it's not an every type thing. And I think that's what would make me gravitate to this, especially with the icy outflow and everything. Looking at the heel on the back end compared to the GR to the PE, different color tabs, the jump man's a different color, even the shape and the cut around the suede and how high it is on the GR compared to the PE.  So that's an in-depth look at the Air Jordan 4 UNCPE. If you guys want to see any other reviews like this when it comes to PE's, I have a fully dedicated playlist. I got all the other UNCPE's plus a bunch of other college stuff and samples and different things. It's all in the playlist for you guys. So if you want to check that out, I'll have some links for you guys at the end of this video as well. I hope you guys enjoyed this. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button. I'll see you on another one. I will never let you down. 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Hey stampers, welcome to another week of Watch It Weekly Wednesday. I'm Beth, part of the Stamping Joe creative team, and I want to show you today some simple stamping techniques. When I saw this stamp set in the mini catalog, Conversation Bubbles, I thought it was so fun and on trend and my kids would love it. So I wanted to take this and pair it with some bright colors and some really simple techniques and make some fun cards. We've got our basic white note cards and envelopes. You get 20 of these in a package, but they come with a note card that's pre-scored and a little envelope that works with it. And then I chose just some bright colors. You don't have to use all of the stamp colors that I chose. So even if you just have one stamp pad, I'm going to show you how that will work. But this is kind of the color palette that I chose from. We're just some of our brights. And then I have our Conversation Bubbles stamp set, and I have a clear B block. So Stamping Up has these labeled as different letters, so you can tell which one it is. So you know that that B block will work for every size of stamp in that stamp set. So I just wanted to use just the one block so we could simplify. So let me show you what I made with these products, and then I'll show you another card that we can make. This one just says Thank You. So cute. But I also made sure to decorate the envelope. There's just a note with two different colors. Cute. Decorate the envelope. Again just a note. There's a little star in there. I liked that. So I put that on the envelope as well. This one I thought was clever. It's like a little text conversation. Hello. Hi. Love ya. Little heart emojis. And then a wow on the outside. I thought this was cute. Actually I thought it could work for Valentine's Day even. Just simple, fun. And then this one here. Wow. And you can see this isn't actually a stamp in the stamp set. I just inked up my clear block and put it directly onto the paper. So I want to show you that today. And I want to show you a couple little techniques of what you can do with simple stamping to use what you have or if you're going to purchase just a couple of products. This is a great place to start.  This when it's folded comes to three and a half by five size in inches. So the nice part about that is it's not a lot of card to try to decorate. You just have a little bit and a little bit goes a long way with these. So I'm going to take that and fold it down. I'm going to take my clear block and I'm going to add flirty flamingo in the background here.   So I'm going to stamp it off, meaning I'm going to remove some of that color so it's a lighter color on the block now. And I'm going to stamp that down on my note card. So that just gives me kind of a little background there, okay. Now I'm going to take my conversation bubble stamp set and I'm going to pull out, let's do our thank you stamp. Now I need to clean off my block because it's got that ink on it. So I'm just going to wipe that off on my chamois, make sure it's nice and clean. And then I'm going to pick up that thank you stamp, put that on my block. And I'm going to use the flirty flamingo, but I'm going to use it full strength. So it's like I have two different stamp colors, but I don't. So cute, right? So fun. And then you just have to take your envelope and you're going to add another little thing on there or a few things if you'd like.  And you're all set to go with a little thank you card and a cute envelope that coordinates. Isn't that so easy? I love simple stamping. It's such a great place to start, but it's also a really great way to very quickly make a bunch of cards if you need to. I love to give these cards as gifts because everybody needs all occasion cards. This stamp set, the conversation bubble stamp set is a great choice if you want to get into the foray of simple stamping. It's got all these cute things. You can make some backgrounds, play around with different colors. I think it'll be great. So make sure you add basic white note cards and envelopes, this and a B block to your card and you'll be stamping a note. If you are interested in any of these products, you can check out the links below for where you can purchase those. Thank you so much for watching. I'll see you next week for another Watch a Week in Wednesday.


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Hello everybody. Welcome back to A World on the Move where we talk to refugees and migrants and we're talking in particular about the summit for the 19th of September. It's a real delight to have Dan Thomas with us today, who's a spokesperson for the president of the General Assembly. Dan, we're delighted to have you here. Thank you. Thank you to everybody on the show, on the call. It's a real pleasure to meet you. I'm here in New York at the United Nations Headquarters. I work for the president of the General Assembly, as Bernard said. He represents 193 member states of the United Nations and essentially he is charged with organizing the summit for refugees and migrants on the 19th of September, where for the first time in history, heads of state and government will come together to talk about this issue and to set in motion a two-year international process which will really try and get the United Nations together to figure out how we can improve the situation that refugees and migrants are facing and put in place some international architecture and agreements to safeguard the rights of refugees and migrants to help countries cope with these large movements of people that we're seeing, more people on the move than ever before in history. What we're doing on this show is we're bringing the refugees and migrants to our summit and we're really hoping to hear that their voice comes through and is listened to at that summit as well. So yeah, the two points for the General Assembly for this year on refugees and migrants would be first, the economic empowerment of refugees. We lacked a lot on the aspect of how can we involve employment, how can we cooperate with corporations in order for refugees to be able to empower themselves and not to be dependent on certain form of aid. How can we start businesses for refugees and refugee camps? How could we influence the employment laws in Lebanon or in Syria or wherever Palestinians wear? So I really hope that this year, building an economy for refugees become a focal point in the discussion about migrants and refugees and that's based on my experience and the experience of my people. Definitely one of the subjects which will be very much present at this summit and for member states, the governments of this world to look at ways that they can actually empower the refugees and migrants, the people on the move themselves to provide for their future, their families and to get to work as possible. That's definitely one of the issues. Let's invite Ahmed in. Ahmed you're in the US and tell your story briefly and perhaps speak directly to the issues of the summit as you see them and perhaps Dan can respond. I think this summit is especially important because it's allowing a platform not only for the world leaders are going to be discussing this but for the refugees themselves who are going to have the chance to tell their stories with the world. So I just had a quick question for Dan. As far as the summit, is there a youth component? I think there is something that's oftentimes missing and the narrative of refugees and migrants is the youth empowerment part of it. There's this idea that youth only have to reach a certain age and in order to make a difference in their community or in their country or in the world. So I was just wondering how is that or will that be addressed at the summit? Absolutely. One of the things that I think all of us at the United Nations are very conscious of is the fact that the young people of the world are growing in number. This is a huge issue and they're not often very well represented at the United Nations. A lot of heads of state and government and ministers and one of the things that we will be doing at this summit is to bring the voices of young people in. The other thing to say is that in the absence of young people invited into the summit because they're not heads of state or government presenting their country. It's all more important that refugees and migrants themselves take to the internet, take to social media to make their voices heard. Make sure that what they need, what they want to say is fed into the drumroll to this summit. I'm going to bring in Michelle now who's originally from Lebanon but living in Spain and her academic work is on the criminalization of migrants. Tell us, Michelle, why you think this would be relevant for the summit? What I came to discover is that it's not about skills and it's not about the availability of work. So we're not actually talking about whether these migrants have skills or not for them to be able to enter the labor market or it's not whether there are available jobs or not. It is simply a matter of documentation and legal barriers. So for a Palestinian, it is very, very difficult to be able to work in Lebanon because of paperwork. And this is something that I am personally now suffering with in Spain. So it's not a matter of skills or whether I am able to secure a job or no. It's just a matter of having a work permit or a visa. And what is going to happen to all these refugees that are coming in? We are discussing resettlement. We are discussing integration. But as a matter of fact, what is going to happen with them on the legal notions? Some people move to other countries become illegal just because they want a better life or because they're having, not necessarily because they're having troubles in their countries but just because they want to move. And so they overstay their visas and such. This is definitely one of the key issues. And as you say, and as I said before and as Chaka said, I mean, these are the most productive people you could find in any country. These are people who have made a lot of sacrifices. They've lost a lot. They've moved from their homes and they want to contribute to the place that they've come to. They want to look after their own families. They don't want to live on handouts. They have skills and qualifications to offer their host communities and clearly not having the opportunity to work, not having the level playing field. It's going to be hard for them to stand on their own two feet and to make that contribution. And governments are very well aware of that. It has to be addressed. It will be one of the key issues discussed. Quite often the perception of who is a migrant and what that migrant is doing, whether it's a negative or a positive thing, is usually wrong. And I think part of the role of this summit is to bring out the complexity of the migrant story. And at that I'm going to talk to Pierre, because Pierre has an interesting story because he is, in a sense, a South migrant. He's from South Africa to Argentina. And I'd like to speak for yourself, Pierre, and take it away. So in terms of the summit or rather the process that will follow it, for me the two major things that need to be focused on is firstly, how do we allow refugees and migrant workers to get work? And as Michelle pointed out, that is both legal and practical. How do we legally allow a refugee, say in Syria, to work for an American company and then how do we pay them? So that's a major barrier that needs to be sorted out and can be sorted out with international collaboration. And then the other challenge is how do you get people to migrate by not moving? How do you get communities to migrate from their ignorance? How do you get people to be aware of things? I mean, as a traveler and as a migrant, I'm very privileged to have that exposure, but I did so by moving. How can we give that same gift to people who don't move or can't move? Very much thanks to all of you who've joined us at Very Short Notice today. And once again, thanks from a world on the move.


Live from Washington D.C., it's theCUBE, covering AWS Public Sector Summit 2017. Brought to you by Amazon Web Services and its partner ecosystem. Got it. Melvin Greer is with us now. He's the director of data science and analytics at Intel. Melvin, thank you for being with us here on theCUBE. Good to see you here at this point. Thank you, John and John. I appreciate you getting a chance to talk with you. It's great to be here at the AWS Public Sector Summit. We make it easy for you. Great, John and John. I never forget the names. I saw just that data science in general and analytics. I mean, tell us about, give us the broad definition of that, the elevator speech about what's being done and then we'll drill it down a little bit deeper about Intel and what you're doing with the term in terms of government work and health care work. Sure, well data science and analytics covers a number of key areas and it's really important to consider the granularity of each of these key areas primarily because there's so much confusion about what people think of as artificial intelligence. It's certainly got a number of facets associated with it. So we have core analytics, like descriptive, diagnostic, predictive and prescriptive. This describes what happened, what's going to happen next, why is it happening and what should I do about it? So those are core analytics. Yeah, analytics business. I'm so glad. So here in a different tech, we have machine learning and cognitive computing. These things are different than core analytics and that they are recognizing patterns and rely on the concepts of training algorithms and then inference, the use of these trained algorithms to infer new knowledge. And then we have things like deep learning and convolutional neural networks which will use convolutional layers to drive better and better granularity and understanding of data. They often typically don't rely on training and have a large focus area around deep learning and deep cognitive skills. And then all of those actually line up in this discussion around narrow artificial intelligence. And you've seen a lot of that already. Evan Chajan, you've seen where we teach a machine how to play poker or we teach a machine how to play Jeopardy or Go. These are narrow AI applications. When we think about general AI, however, this is much different. This is when we're actually outsourcing human cognition to a thinking machine at internet speed. This is amazing. I love this conversation because a couple of things in that thread you just brought up. The poker, which is great. It's not just Jeopardy. It's poker's unknown conditions. You don't know the personality of the other guy. You don't know their cards or dealings, that's a lot. That's like unstructured data and you have to think about that. But it really highlights the converge between supercomputing, paradigm and data. So that really kind of changes the game on data science because the old data warehouse model, storing information, pulling it back, has latency. And so we're seeing machine learning in these new apps really disrupting old data analytics models. So I want to get your thoughts on this because what is Intel doing? Because you guys have restructured things a bit differently, the AI messages out there. As this new revolution takes place with data. So how are you guys handling that? Intel formed in late 2016 its artificial intelligence product group. And the formation of this group is extremely consistent with our pivot to becoming a data company. So we're certainly not going to be abandoning any of that great performance and strong capabilities that we have in Silicon architectures. But as a data company, it means that now we're going to be using all of these assets in artificial intelligence, machine learning, cognitive computing and Intel, in fact, by using this is really a unique, in a unique position to focus on what we've termed and what you hear our CEO talk about as the virtuous cycle of growth. This cycle of growth includes cloud computing, data center and IoT. And our ability to harness the power of artificial intelligence and data science and analytics means that Intel is really capable of driving this discussion around cloud computing and powering the cloud and also driving the work that's required to make a smart and a connected world a reality. Our artificial intelligence products group expands our portfolio and it means that we're bringing all of these capabilities that I talked to you that make up data science and analytics, cognitive, machine learning, artificial intelligence, deep learning, convolutional neural networks to bear to solve some of the nation's most significant important problems. And it means that Intel, with its partners, are really focused on the utilization of our core capabilities to drive government missions. Well, give us an example then in terms of federal government and AI, how you're applying that to the operation of what's going on in this giant bureaucracy of a town that we have. So one of the things that I'm most excited about is that there's really no agency, almost every federal agency in the US is doing an investigation of artificial intelligence. It started off with this discussion around business intelligence and as you said, data warehousing and other things. But clearly, the government has come to realize that turning data into a strategic asset is important, very, very important. And so there are a number of key domain spaces in the federal government where Intel has made a significant impact. One is in health and life sciences. So when you think about health and life sciences and biometrics, genomics, using advanced analytics for phenotype and genotype analysis, this is where Intel's strengths are in performance and the ability to deliver. We created a collaborative cancer cloud that allows researchers to use Intel hardware and software to accelerate the learnings from all of these health and life sciences advances that they want, sharing data without compromising that data. We're focused significantly on cyber intelligence, but we're applying threat and vulnerability analytics to understanding how to identify real cyber problems and big cyber vulnerabilities. We are now able to use Intel products to encrypt from the BIOS all the way up through the application stack. And what it means is, is that our government clients who typically are hypersensitive around security get a chance to have data follow their respective process and meet their mission in a safe and secure way. I'm not going to drill down on that for a second because this is kind of a really, really sweet area for innovation. Data is now the new development environment. We say bacon is, oil is the new bacon. It's the gold nuggets that I was talking with. You know what I'm saying? It's the new bacon. A new bacon. Data is the new bacon. Everyone loves bacon. Everyone loves data. There's a thirst for the data. And there's also compliance issues. And I asked you, the role of the CDO, the chief data officer is now emerging in companies. And so we're seeing that also at the federal level. I want to get your thoughts on that. But to quote the professor from Carnegie Mellon who I interviewed last week said, the problem with a lot of data problems is that it's like looking for your needle in the haystack. But there's so much data now you have a haystack of needles. So his premise is, you can't find everything. You got to use machine learning and AI to help with that. So this is also going to be an issue for this chief data officer, a new role. So is there a chief data officer role? Is there a need for that? Is there a CTO? Who handles the data? It's a tough one because there's a lot of tech involved but also there's policies. Yeah, so the federal government has actually mandated that each agency assign a federal chief data officer at the agency level. And this person is working very closely with the chief information officer and the agency leaders to ensure that they have the ability to take advantage of this large set of data that they collect. Intel's been working with most of the folks in the federal data cabinet who are the CDOs who are working to solve this problem around data and analysis of data. We're excited about the fact that we have chief data officers as an entry point to help discuss this hyper convergence that you described in technology. Where we have large data sets. We have faster hardware. Of course Intel's helping to provide much of that. And then better mathematics and algorithms. When we converge these three things together, it's the soup that makes it possible for us to continue to drive artificial intelligence. But that notwithstanding, federal data officers have a really hard job and we've been engaging them at many levels. We just had our artificial intelligence day in government where we had folks from many federal agencies that are on that cabinet and they shared with us directly how important it is to get Intel's input on both hardware, hardware performance, but also on software. When we think about artificial intelligence and the chief data officer or the data scientist, this is likely a different individual than the person who's buying our silicon architectures. This is a person who's focused primarily on an agency mission and is looking for Intel to provide hardware and software capabilities that drive that mission. I got to ask you from an Intel perspective, you guys are doing a lot of innovating since you have a great R&D group, but also the silicon you mentioned is important. And software's eating the world, but data's eating software. So what's next? What's eating data? We believe it's memory and silicon. So one of the trends in big data is real-time analytics is moving closer and closer to memory and then now silicon. Look at some of the security paradigms of the data involved is seeing silicon implementations, root security, malware, firmware, kind of innovations. This is an interesting trend because if software gets onto the silicon, to the level that there's better security, you have fingerprinting, all kinds of technologies, how is that going to impact the analytics world? So if you believe that they want faster, lower latency data, it's going to end up in the silicon. John, you described exactly why Intel's focused on the virtuous cycle of growth because there's more cloud-enabled data moves itself from the cloud through our 5G networks and out to the edge in IoT devices, whether they be autonomous vehicles or drones. This is exactly why we have this continuum that allows data to move seamlessly between these three areas and operationalizes the core missions of government as well as provides a unique experience that most people can't even imagine. You likely saw the NBA Finals, you talked about Kevin Durant, and you saw there the Intel 360 demonstration where you're able to see how, through different camera angles, the entire play is unfolding. That is a prime example of how we use back-end cloud hyper-connected hardware with networks and edge devices where we're pushing analytics closer and closer to the edge. By the way, that's a real-life media entertainment example of an IoT situation where it's at the edge of the network, AKA stadium. I mean, we geek out on that as well as the Amazon has the MLB thing. Amy Jessie knows I love that because it's like we're both baseball fans. We're excited about it too. We think that along with autonomous vehicles, we think that this whole concept of experiences rather than capabilities and technologies. Most people don't know that that example of basketball takes massive amounts of compute. I mean, to make that work at that level, this is the CG environment we're seeing with gaming culture. The people are expecting an interface that looks more like Call of Duty or Minecraft than they are like a Windows desktop machine that's what we're used to. I think that's great. That's why we say we're building the future again. You touched on something you said a little bit ago that a data officer in the federal government has got a tough job. Yes. Big job. What's the difference between private and public sector? Somebody's handling the same kinds of responsibilities but has different compliance pressures, different enforcement pressures and those kinds of things. So somebody in the public space, what are they facing that maybe somebody on the other side of the fence is not? Our data officers have a tough job, whether it's about cleansing data, being able to ingest it. What we talk about when you describe this needle and a haystack of needles is the need and ability to create a hyper-relevancy to data. Because hyper-relevancy is what makes it possible for personalized medicine and precision medicine. That's what makes it possible for us to do a hyperscale personalized retail. This is what makes it possible to drive new innovation. It's this hyper-relevancy.  Of course, there are some differences, right? When you work for the federal government, you're a steward of citizens data that adds a different level of responsibility. There's a legal framework that guides how that data's handled. Well, trust is important. They're trying as opposed to just a regulatory and legal one. But when it comes to artificial intelligence, all of us as practitioners are really focusing on the legal, ethical and societal implications associated with the implementation of these advanced technologies. Quick question to end the segment. I know we're running all the time but I want to get this last point in. And this is something that we've talked on theCUBE a lot of me and Dave Vellante debating because data is very organic innovation. You don't know what you're going to do until you get into it. A little alchemy if you will. But trust and security and policy is a top-down, slow-down mentality. So often in the past, it's been restricting growth. So the balance here that you're getting at is how do you provide the speed and agility of real-time experiences while maintaining all the trust and secure requirements that have slowed things down? You mentioned a very important topic there, John. And in my last book, 21st Century Leadership, I actually described this concept as ambidextrous leadership. This concept of being able to do operational excellence extremely well and focus on delivery of core mission. And at the same time, be in a position to drive innovation and look forward enough to think about how not where you are today but where you will be going in the future, this ambidexterity is really a critical factor when we talk about all leadership today, not just leaders in government or just people who work folks on artificial intelligence. That's multi-dimensional, multi-discipline too, right? I mean. That's right, that's right. That's the DevOps ethos, that's the cloud. Move fast. I mean, Mark Zuckerberg had the best quote with Facebook. Move fast and break stuff. Up until the time he had about a billion users and then changed to move fast and be secure and reliable. Don't break anything at that point. Well, he got the, well, he understood that. You can't just break stuff. At some point, you got to move fast and be reliable. A secure experience. One of five books, by the way, I wanted to tell you. That's right. And I'm working on my sixth and seventh now, but yeah, I'll forget it. And also the managing director of the Greer Institute of Leadership and Management. So you've written now almost seven books. You're running this leadership. You're working with Intel. What do you do in your spare time, though? My wife is a chef, and so I get a chance to enjoy all of the great food she cooks. And I have two young sons, and they keep me very, very busy believing me. I think you're busy enough. Thanks for being on theCUBE. I very much appreciate it. Good to have you with us here at the AWS Public Secretary Summit. Back with more coverage live here on theCUBE from Washington, D.C., right after this.