We've got the Public Health Subcommittee meeting here September 23rd, 2021. Let's take a quick run around the area. I'm going to work on Dr. Levine. Here. Hey. Yeah. Russell. Here. Ingrid. Here. Here. Okay. Thank you. You're the committee members, right? Julie Hilbert. I'm here. Remotely. In the board room, the In trouble blocking in a Microsoftistine. Okay. The decision. Are not sure what the issue is for some reason. I didn't personally didn't have any trouble getting in on teams. I'm still trying to team. I think you're in now, Gina. Yeah, I said you were in the waiting room and it's like that met. There you are. Okay. Yeah, excellent. Megan, is that you or is that Gina on your line? It's I can take no. Okay. CCB office, right? Correct. Yes. Yeah. Do you have any other? Control board staff or members? Nope. It's just me present for the cannabis control board. In the office. Thanks. You're there. Here is here. Mark Dorman is here. Well, let's let's move forward. We have as we discussed on Monday, we have set this up so that we can reach some decisions on warning signs, warning labels, pertaining to advertising. And some of the other issues that that pertain to advertising. I think I'm referring to Danica for the moment to get this rolling since she prepared the slide deck. Thank you, Mark. Also, just to remind members of the public, if you'd like to submit comments, you can do that off of the control board's website. And we do have three members of the public with us today. Welcome. And we look forward to any of your comments at the end of today's meeting. So this week. And for the last couple of weeks for the committee members, we've looked at a lot of different elements, warning language, warning symbols. And what I wanted to do, I kind of flipped it today because the warning symbols is something that I know everyone is incredibly passionate about. So what I'd like to do is share what I sent, what we sent to you. And can everybody see this? Okay. Okay, fantastic. Okay, so this is the warning symbol that Massachusetts and Maine are using and they both, they both use it. They actually kind of had a little collaboration or partnership on it, which I thought was very interesting. So if you saw in the other document that contains THC is mandatory, the not safer kids is optional. But what I wanted to do was just give you an idea of what something might look like in here for this particular one. And I want to also tell you that the package that you're seeing that says fruit goodies is an Illinois package. That was purchased yesterday. Here was the interesting thing about it. They had no warning labels on it anywhere. And that's 100 milligrams of THC. So I wanted you to see what it could look like and what the kids would then make in a package with the symbols. And again, none of this is to scale, but it gives you the general idea. So I'm going to flip to the next one, which was the yellow symbol and the same thing. So my question and Mark's question would be for the board of these two symbols presented, are you ready to make a final rendering of what you would like to do on your packages and your warnings? This is Ingrid. I will just say it's totally subjective, but I prefer the campaigns THC with the red. Okay. And I like them not safe for kids as a separate stop sign warning. Again, totally subjective, but it feels clear. Okay. Tim. Yeah, I also prefer the red outline. I think there was some discussion last time of combining the yellow with the red. Yeah. The red. No, go right ahead. I have not finished that. I'm waiting on getting it back from the designer, but the initial it kind of has this ketchup and mustard look about it. It's a little odd. So we're trying to figure out the right way to make it not look like a condiment. If that makes sense. Sure. Sure. Yeah, that's the value of actually seeing an example. I'd love to hear Dr. Levine's thoughts as well. Okay. It looks like he may be on a call so we can, you know, give him just a moment on that. But again, back while we wait on him, I will say, and we'll talk more about this on Monday. This package was incredibly child-proof and but there were many things that I think were missing on here to make it a situation where I had confidence in what I was looking at. If that makes sense and what I was getting. Sorry, I, sorry, I missed what Tim said. Go right ahead. Oh, should I? I was just saying that it would be great to be able to see the combination of the red outline with the yellow background. But, you know, in less, in less, you're looking to move forward in a quicker way. And then I would, I would lean towards the, including the red myself. And Dr. Levine, this is the main in Massachusetts red and white that they, that you requested to see again. And what I shared with the team is this is an actual package of edibles from Illinois. Yeah, I saw that. Okay. Without any warnings. Yeah. Without any warnings. So, so I wanted you to get an idea of what this would look like. And then this is the same thing in the yellow. So, Tim, we can certainly add that, but I would say that if you truly wanted to have a New England, um, almost collaboration across state lines, um, you would get it with a main in Massachusetts, like we had originally talked about here. So what can I just add? Go ahead. I wasn't looking at the screen. I'm just wondering what Tim thinks about that leaf compared to like, I feel like the leaf in the previous example that you just gave us with the yellow is a little more. Not that, not to be too detail oriented, but I know Tim had mentioned leaf, um, Yeah. Accuracy. I thought we had kind of reached consensus that the leaf was better. Um, in those several examples, that one. Um, it's a much more true to life. Leaf that separates itself from, for instance, Okay. So here is a question then that I have, um, because this will have to be changed by a graphic designer, which is fine. I don't have a problem with that. Would the subcommittee be ready to say that this is really the final style design, but you would like to see it with the leaf or realistic leaf of this one for a final approval. Not to complicate life too much, but. One thing I've lost track of the pace of meetings we're having is what the timeline is. Um, because I feel like we're, we're moving along in a good pace, but maybe too good. And I don't want to over commit and appointed time, especially because I do want to, as, as you mentioned, I do want to bring back to some segments of my health department. With their expertise. It doesn't mean. So I don't want to final decision. I can pull that around pretty quickly.  Uh, these are decisions that can be sewn up. Uh, uh, uh, really very, very quickly and. You know, we can adjust our final report to the, uh, the control board. Could you just review that timeline we are on? Sure. So by October 20th, which means we'll need the reports, um, probably in draft form, you know, at least a week or two prior to that, which is coming up on it. October 20th is our date regulations regarding advertising and marketing that limit youth exposure, packaging and labeling and the consideration of a dispensary as a food manufacturing establishment. So that's a three week period. Yes, sir. So, um, what we can do here is. So this, this will have to be recreated, which is fine. I have a team that can do that. Um, so there's the edit. That will be done and we'll send it, um, back in. So I guess my question would be for the, for the group. Um, if there is a desire to wait until Dr. Levine's team, um, is able to weigh in on this as well. And also we get the graphic designer to do the yellow leaf. My question is, would you want to continue and go through all of the warning statements and check those off as well? Or would you like for me to open up the packaging that has been shared with us and we could at least look at packaging today. Cause otherwise we're going to be looking at the same thing. So what I mean by that is with the warning language, this was what we sent. Um, so if we'd like to move forward with this. We can, um, but I just want to be realistic here with everyone on this call so that we're not doing the same thing. Cause we could look at packaging too. I would suggest that we just pause for a moment and make sure we're all on the same page with the, with the warning label. Sure. Um, because I saw you write change leaf. Um, and I think your reference to the yellow is the, the leaf from the symbols with the yellow background. Correct. Yes. The leaf itself is most likely more effective as black. Right. Yes. Okay. So what we're going to try to do is to, um, go with contains THC without mentioning Vermont. The last time we had a meeting, there was some consideration of putting VT there as well. It's not something that I brought into the conversation, but I think somebody must have. This was by the team that's doing universal warning symbols for cannabis. They just again presented options. Yeah. Um, okay. So I guess I just want to make sure we're on the same page for the, um, for the current status is that we'd like to see the, the more realistic maple leaf, uh, with the red order. And we're also going to try the yellow background. You got it. No, if you would like to see it, if we're making the modifications, let's make the modifications. Cause we can do it all in one fell swoop. And hopefully that will give, um, Dr. Levine some time to, uh, check in with his team and bounce it off his people. Okay. Great. Thank you. All right. This team will probably, Dr. Levine's team will probably want to know what the. Recommendation is of the, uh, control board advisory committee. So it is a good idea. Just. Wow. As much as you can. That sounds good. The benefit of your expertise and your, your instincts on this anyway. Does that make sense to me? Absolutely. Absolutely does. Thank you. Mark. Are we weighing in about. The narrative stuff versus bullet points right now or just keeping it to the symbol. Um, right. We could do either, but, um, you know, again, let me flip here. This is, as you all probably saw, and this is what it would look like if we did bullet points. If you, if you recommended, um, paragraph and, um, so I wanted to, to put that out there. This is definitely for your recommendation. I would say that this one is, is, um, while a better list, it just takes up more room. And, uh, this, these in essence for everyone that right over on this side where you see contains THC, that's the warning in Illinois. Um, it's very, very small. And it's been paragraph. I think most, what I'm seeing is most are using paragraph formats because it's, it does take up less room, but that doesn't make it right. If that makes sense. Mm hmm. Less rule just means they can do their product naming and pictures with more. Yeah. That's not art. Well, that's there. Right. So I will say in speaking with another person in California, they said one of the reasons they don't see as many advertisements is because there is more disclaimers required. So it's, it becomes a good, a good portion of disclaimer. And I've been in those in that world where, you know, a third of my ad was a disclaimer sometimes. And that's how it is with auto and other places. Um, so I did want to put that out there. Does it, so does anybody want to come to a consensus on the bullet list versus paragraphs, or are we ready to, to even go down that path yet? Like you mentioned. I'm happy to discuss it more. I, um, but I defer the rest of the group in terms of what makes the most sense timing wise. The differentiating appearance. It's readability from content. Correct. So this is of course your language. This is the adaptation of Massachusetts. So this is bullet and this is not what I will say is one package. Um, if you want the font to be a certain point size, how big the packages is also going to matter. Um, because that can definitely make a difference. There was a, another package, which I will also share with you, which was in a round container. Again, no warning symbol. Um, and I could not even read the legal language at all because it was a little blurry and it's so small. So if there are any thoughts on this, um, my recommendation for some of this would be a case by case basis, possibly depending upon the dimensions, but at the same time it, you know, if it's on an edible container, then you have to think about how you wanted that to be displayed or you may say on the edibles that it would be important to, um, you know, make it a certain size, no matter what the packaging. Yeah, I feel, if you're starting to, uh, saying case by case, I do think there's different concerns regarding edibles as compared to other great products. Um, and accidental and just meant, I'm sorry, accidental, um, ingestion is important to me to point out for edibles, but not so much for the other products. I mean, I guess I don't know what all the different products would be, but certainly anything that's edible is different than something that requires heat to smoke it, right? Like that's different. Um, is that what you guys, by case by case or? Well, what about the case of the person who takes the plan if they're using a mix that's built as an element, but they're actually just making brownies and putting what they want? Good point. That seems to happen a lot. Is that something that we could really, um, address in labeling? That's what I'm curious about. Maybe not in labeling, but maybe in the safety aspect. As we mentioned, maybe there is a, in the safety, um, flyer. That also can be available online with a QR code. And I'll talk more about QR codes on Monday because I did have one for a product that I could see, which was great. Um, there's opportunity really to say so much more when you say it online. It doesn't mean you don't have to give it to them in print. Um, but there could also be a recommendation that every first time customer has to take, you know, we need you to take this safety flyer that could be front and back, can include some of this stuff. It's going to come down to, um, the most important things to tell people and then how to get it in their hands because I will, I will also share, and I'll share a word with this on Monday. I would, I did not feel like an educated consumer, which is an interesting thing. Great. Would you like to, Dr. Levine, go ahead. Looks like you're going to say something. No, I'm okay. Are you sure? I'm just, I'm just trying to imagine the person who's purchasing the product. They're probably not going into the establishment and thinking about what we're concerned about because they've already entered the establishment with the purpose of buying something, I think. Whether it's the leaf product, whether it's an edible product or what have, um, how much education are they looking for versus how much we want to provide because they've already reached that decision point to buy it as opposed to the consumer who goes into a place and is really like, hey, I've never been to one of these places. I want to learn something. Maybe I'll buy something because my friends have done this. I just don't know. We have to think about who the end user is of what we're plastering on these products. I would just add, I seem to be thinking oftentimes about the unsuspecting person who is in the house where this stuff is or doesn't, um, who's experimenting or doesn't, you know, isn't the ideal person who went in, the person who went in to purchase it themselves, but is, lives in that same home or that kind of a thing. Yeah, no, I believe me from a public health standpoint. I'm really concerned about those people. That's why we have the, uh, drug disposal campaigns. Get rid of everything in your medicine cabinet all the time. Um, cause that's where adolescent use of opioids and other drugs occurs because they're at a party at their friend's house and they go to the bathroom and by the way in the medicine cabinet they found some purchasing. Um, so here in the house, they're in the kitchen getting a glass of water and by the way, there's the marijuana product that's going into the brownies. Um, so, you're right. It's the same kind of thing. Can I ask a rookie question? Have there been any cases in these other states where, um, there's been any claim of liability? Like if somebody purchases something, a child takes a, you know, a gummy edible and overdoses, so to speak, or becomes really impaired or hurts themselves. And the, the warnings or the symbols weren't clear enough. Has there ever been that type of case? I do not know the answer to that off the top of my head, but we can certainly ask the question. Um, no, we can. And, um, I, part of the research that, um, came out of yesterday for me as well, goes back to something that this committee has said time and time again, and that is serving sizes. I will tell you that, um, I did not get any serving sizes on any of the packages at all. So I was very confused. And this is when, when I say educated consumer from being an NACB, but not from a purchasing perspective, maybe the way to say this. So a lot of questions were asked. Um, I think that's a hundred milligram packet of THC. Um, and when I was able to finally get in the packet, there were four sticks in there, but I didn't on the back. It doesn't say for servings 25 milligrams of THC each. So I was confused. Um, and again, I don't want to make this, this is not, this is subjective research as well. So I'd like to say that. And this is for discussion purposes as someone who went in to say, I want to buy this, but what does that mean? Um, and then with the pack of gummies, it also did not have serving sizes on it. And it was 10 gummies in one container, another hundred milligrams of THC, um, 10 per, but that's not noted either. So my first recommendation to say to the subcommittee, just as someone there is that I think that is an integral part of what goes on the packaging, which we'll get to of course on Monday to say, what a serving size is and the estimated in each. I totally agree. Tim, so your note was very timely. I guess that's what I would say yesterday. Really timely. I did notice that the, um, I was surprised that so many came in package because if you're thinking of overdosing or even innocent accidental overdosing, uh, that's a lot of THC in one package. Um, well, you know, I kind of, I'm kind of stuck to see, I'm not quite sure if you're looking for comments on that Massachusetts list because you had that up before. Um, so we definitely come to some sort of, like we need a next steps on the, on the labels, but did you want us to comment on the Massachusetts list in regards to what we want in Vermont? We absolutely can. We also can go back here to the Word document. Again, this has all been dropped in there. These are the statements that we put forth. Um, and so if you'd like to make some comments on these now, we would certainly welcome that so that we can, you know, keep moving unless you would like Dr. Levine's team to see it first. I mean, we could go either way. I'd like, I would like your feedback. I had some thoughts. It was mainly based on the other part. I have it on my desktop. I can call it, but the, but the menu, the Massachusetts, um, adaptation of this one. Yes. Okay. Um, I'd like, maybe, um, Dr. Levine can comment on this. The, the reference to pregnancy and breastfeeding. Um, marijuana use during pregnancy and breastfeeding may pose potential harms. There was a different warning that basically said, do not use this product. If you're pregnant or breastfeeding, um, I'd love to hear if there's definite science, then why is this so milk toast in Massachusetts? Um, or should we just be going with just don't use it. If you're pregnant or breastfeeding, uh, any, is there any insight on that that anyone has? Or possibly Dr. Levine. I'm with you. Um, I think we have enough evidence that should not be used during pregnancy. And the problem is still being recommended to an audience of women who are in their first trimester and want to treat morning sickness and things of that sort. Um, and that's probably the worst time to be recommending it. So I think there's probably science enough behind. Okay. Just a technical note. I think it might be to me because I've run a lot of these zoom calls. Um, it might be to me because I'm not sure, but if anybody is in a very loud situation, I'm so sorry. I thought I had muted myself. My apologies. It's okay. It's okay when it's hard to interact without being, but if, uh, if we get a loud bang, then the words get cut out. Um, but I got the most of what Dr. Levine said. And I think that it also speaks a little bit to the ordering. If whether we're going with, um, bullet points or with a paragraph or allowing it to be decided at the point of, you know, proper packaging appropriateness or whatever. Um, it speaks a little bit to the order. Um, you know, um, because if we're, if we're talking about adapting this Massachusetts warning language that I'm looking at now. Um, that one doesn't, hey, it doesn't say this is a marijuana product, for instance, first and foremost. Um, yeah, you're, you're highlighting the, the alternate language that at least Mark and I prefer, right? Um, so anyway, just a quick discussion at some point about, um, how they should be prioritized and. Right. Cause the children really is in bold print there or capital letters. Um, that's a big one. Yeah. And I actually think if it's bullet points that it's actually handed a hat of a couple that pop like that. So maybe the, maybe the capital letters makes it, it doesn't have to be the first one. If it's in caps, it does draw the eye, you know, so depending on how someone reads something, it helps to change between capitals and no capitals. Um, but just a couple of things to just throw out there that, that occurred to me, you know, as well, you know, yeah, I agree with those comments. I'm also wondering just, I know that cannabis is used as sort of the overarching term and then marijuana. Didn't we seem to want to get away from the term marijuana and move toward cannabis? Or maybe that's just me. I can't remember, um, what the best practice is for, I think there was some discussion about this, maybe in the larger group or the first meeting. You know, a lot of the, more recent state laws have basically said, you know, remove from the statutes and the use of the word marijuana and replace it with cannabis. I can't remember whether the Vermont, you know, Act 62 or 164 goes in that direction, but we can check it. I can't remember either. Well, this committee is part of the cannabis control board. Yeah. The trend is to use cannabis. I'm not sure if you guys discussed that or not in, in your call, but cannabis is the common term used now. That's what I thought. So what we can do with this, Dr. Levine, before you hand it back as I can go back through and change every instance of marijuana to cannabis before handing it over. And then we can put that in there. I'm glad you brought that up, Ingrid, because that was actually one of the considerations that I wanted to talk about today as well, just to determine which word you would prefer to use as a subcommittee so that there's consistency. Because even within these bullets, we have interchanged the terms. We have to stick to one or the other. Yeah. And I would also just, I think that the more dire warnings should be at the top, such as, you know, impairment effects can be delayed by two or more hours, impairment, you know, ones about driving and immediate health and keeping away from children, I think are important. Whereas this product may be illegal outside of Vermont, definitely lower. So that's just my, again, sort of stating the obvious, maybe, but. And are some of these acquired in some way, like the product may be illegal outside of Vermont. It's illegal to transport it. Is there a requirement that that happened for the legislator legislation? That is. Because obviously of a federal standpoint, it's illegal. So you can't rely on that. This comes from, and Mark, I don't know if you remember exactly where it is, but it is referenced by, let's see. It's referenced in one of the statutes. Because I think what we're driving at is there's things we really want people to notice and see right up front and focus on. And then there are other things that it's like, really, does that matter? Who cares? It'll only be distracting and won't allow the major messages to really penetrate you. But if we're required to have them, you know, we need to adhere to them. Yeah. I want to go back and double check where it is, but it was, it was one of the, one of the, it's in one of the languages that I saw. So if it's not, then we check it out. Okay. I just want everybody to know that wasn't me with the truck. Okay. So then back to, we've touched on pregnancy and breastfeeding. And if we jump back to children, if there, this came up on our last call about, about children in marijuana and don't know if this is, this is why this, you're seeing this here. I mean, well, physician wouldn't recommend an over the counter cannabis product. Wouldn't they? In medicinal. Yeah. There's like little, little kids that I think get. This is what I've heard. It seems odd that this is, we're also trying to, that would be a special group. Yeah. I mean, if we're discussing, we're not trying to decide for over the counter addables as well as prescribed. Sorry. At the same time. This was brought up on the meeting last week, which is the only reason we put it here is just to see if it was worth the consideration in any of it. So we have to keep this product away. And then in case of accidental ingestion, which we can completely strike. And I guess does everyone agree then that these are the two primary child piece? I'm not saying we have to approve it, but is there something else we're missing right here? Can I just interject quickly on that third bullet? Yes. It's entirely possible though, Tim, that the same product that a parent's picking up for a young child and dispensary, the medical dispensary is also sold potentially or similarly packaged or packaged by the same company. So I'm just thinking in terms of that third bullet in terms of ease of use and labeling and just throwing that out there for the committee to concern to consider as it relates to that third bullet about prescriptions. So the same product might be available both in a medical dispensary and an adult use retail space. I don't know if that will be true or not, but it's possible. I'm just not aware of physicians prescribing pediatric marijuana use other than the pharmacologically available, pharmaceutical available drug to treat rare forms of epilepsy. So it would have to be a very, very unique subset of kids before I give them an adequately brain altering substance in their formative years. Boy, it might be happening up near behind. I hope not. I'm not either. I mean, the epilepsy is what I'm aware of too, Dr. Levine. I just know that that same tincture product is available in some states in other venues. Anything additional for kids or want to take this away as, go ahead. I think you can't have, I mean, if you want to try to address that in a different way, but you can't keep the top bold, keep this product away from children. And then on the third bullet say, unless somebody said it was okay. So you either have to figure this out first and adapt and change from there or get rid of it entirely in my opinion. Because if we want to keep this product away from children, that's a bold, clear statement. I agree with that. There may be somebody who prescribes in quotes possibly, but I doubt it's a certified physician at this point. I mean, think of the liability. Well, and Dr. Levine is saying it's so rare that it doesn't seem prudent to keep it in. I will check with the American Academy of Pediatrics to be sure that is none of this happening. There's also that there's a legality of this is for 21 and older, correct? It is. The second piece of that is, okay, thinking sir, it wasn't me. It is, however, if medicinally they're able to receive this, but also just it's a second morning. Don't give it to your kids, especially if you have your, your own prescription at home or medicinal marijuana. So again, we put it out there and didn't want to go down a rabbit hole. But if it's, if you just want to, Julie, we do have some considerations for medicinal as well. I believe in some of this too. Okay. Okay. But the key take home point that Tim is trying to hammer home is we can't continue to have bullets that contradict each other. Whether it's kids, whether it's the age, say 21, that's very straightforward. And that is why we are looking for you. Great. Thank you. Thank you. I want to point out that act 164 section 32. Statutory revision says changes the word marijuana to the word cannabis throughout Vermont law. We're applicable. Thank you so much. We will get, we will move everything. So you're going to get another copy of this shortly. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. I'm losing your audio. I'm muting myself. I think there's, there's some weird background thing coming in my apologies. But what I wanted to add here is I'm going to update this entire thing in the next 30 minutes with marijuana to cannabis. And as a quick reminder, everything we were pulling was from other states, including Maine and Massachusetts, which is why you're seeing those words, which is why we're going to make it what the word requires in your area. And then we'll get that. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Julie, do we have any comments from the public? Or Nellie. I'm sorry. Yes, we do. We have a couple. Are we ready to move into public comment? Yes. Hi, this is Evo singleton. I'm with Gaston planning on opening a dispensary manufacturer here in Burlington. I just want to talk about the warning symbol a little bit. And as someone who plans on having beautifully packaged product here in Vermont, I don't know in California where I did some business. I know at first you had to have a two color warning label, but then they just switched it. So it could be any color as long as it was a specific size and represented well in the packaging. The other thing I wanted to say maybe to make it unique to Vermont, which would be really cool would be to do an outline of the state of Vermont with the symbol inside. I know you talked about putting BT on there and that could be a cool like stylized piece. And then the other thing on the on the warning language. Again, wanting to have like beautifully packaged product like we really have to think about the size of this on our packaging, especially like on pre-rolls and concentrates, things like that.  And then the last thing, the poison control thing, like, is that necessary? Is it a child and just cannabis? I don't think it's going to, you know, it's not a poisoning. Now, maybe take it to the hospital. Call nine on one. But the poison control seems a bit like a bit much. That would be it. Thank you. Any other comments? Sure. Would you like me to come in at the center? Yep. Come on to one of these chairs here. Hi, everyone. My name is Ben Mervis. I am working with Craig Mitchell, who submitted a public statement on August 23, I believe, announcing that we will also be going for licenses in the social equity category. I actually began my career with the Department of Health here in Vermont. So I take it very seriously and came into cannabis about five years ago. I second the opinion about poison control, but I do think it's a great thing. Obviously, the subcommittee sees it as necessary to be there. I would just emphasize or encourage you to really think ahead about how to prepare poison control and the police for how to handle those calls, what the intake would look like, what types of things you would address. I believe that the previous public comment is getting towards, you know, you don't want to scare people. The current language does kind of play into the scare tactics around cannabis as opposed to the guidance that could be provided by those resources when called. I also want to emphasize the focus on sizes, so sizes of fonts and symbols. I too worked in California and Massachusetts and saw how without those very strict guidelines on the sizes of the font and the symbol, you can see a lot of distortion. So just keep that in mind that the actual, I'm blanking on the word, the size of the symbol. Also, something that you could consider, because I did hear, you know, obviously the subcommittee is more focused on the information being present than the design of the package. You could, in the field of sizes, you could also consider saying that the warnings need to take up either, you know, up to a quarter of the visible space on the product or limit it to, you know, no more than a quarter. So those are other ways that I've seen that done very effectively. And thank you for the change from marijuana and cannabis, if that's it for my public, for my comment. Thank you. Thanks. All right, that's it for public comments in the room. Okay, thank you. So the next steps on this, everything's been changed from marijuana to cannabis to follow the statute, but also a couple of additional items will come in. I'll send this back out Nellie to you so you can upload it into the team so that they can take it back. We'll be talking packaging on Monday. And so packaging will be shared later today, a pre-look for Monday's calls. Tim, you're on mute. Sorry, I have a secondary mute button here because I'm on a busy truck road. I mentioned that I can't make Monday in a previous email, a few emails ago, but it might have been missed. I'm just wondering if you can just get me some materials Sunday or whatever, and I can just make some notes or whatever and just chime in that way. Absolutely. The examples are almost ready to go. There's one more thing that is going to be added so they should be out later today or first thing in the morning. So no problem. So this is definitely something to keep track on dates for putting forth recommendations or at least recommendations that may need additional considerations. But Monday we'll be looking at packaging and taking a deeper dive on that and getting this over to Dr. Levine and Ingrid and Tim if you could go through and I'll put this back in the Word document if easier for you than all you have to do is write on it or over it. I do agree in the prioritization, Mark and I do, we'll get all those out there and hopefully we can get this to a point of comfort for everyone. Thank you. I think as well, Danika, not to plow over the whole ground today, but since there's an expectation that the Department of Health will have a chance to take a look that I don't think we need to struggle and lose time over a lot of details if we just are going to send them our best recommendations here and have a bit of a dialogue and have enough time to have a bit of a dialogue. Hopefully we can sew some of this up on Monday. So if there is consideration, Tim and Ingrid, especially since Dr. Levine will be taking it through his channels if you could give feedback, even by tomorrow would be fantastic on and again I'll get you the Word documents backwards, all these changes we talked about we'll get the other symbol but if you could at least give a first good feedback if there's something you don't like or want to change or whatever then we can at least put that into consideration. I'll do my best. Thanks. Thank you. Just from my standpoint just keep in mind we are in the midst of a pandemic so our department's response may not be as timely as you would think it could be. Understood. Understood. Is there any other questions or anything else that anyone would like to bring up? No. Did we have to approve minutes from last meeting or was there no quorum to approve it? There was no quorum for the 16th. We can approve meeting minutes for the 13th or if folks would like to do so. You could also do that next time Danika you could start the meeting next time with that. That sounds great. Thank you so much. Thank you. Okay so we are at the hour thank you everyone Mark if you want to wrap us up. With a prayer. Please move this process along Lord. Motion to adjourn. Sure. We have a second. Thank you everyone. Thank you.


In sports news, Roma coach Paolo Fonschia will relieve his job at the end of the season. The SDCR club confirmed this on Tuesday, thanking Paolo for his hard work and leadership over the past two years. Roma chairman Dan Fredklin praised Paolo for guiding the team with selfless integrity through many challenges including the COVID-19 pandemic and a change of ownership. According to media reports, former Juventus Napoli Chelsea manager Morugisari is favourites to take over the three-time Italian champions.


Ladies and gentlemen welcome back the Houston happy endings are quickly becoming one of the best NBA franchises We're four in one. We've got Derek Rose Kobe Bryant Michael Jordan to invincible Parima Abdul Jabbar Hakeem a lajuan Steph Curry Nick Batum Larry bird Yanis and Chris tabs porzingus Oh, by the way since we just got this Yanis upgrade.  I think that's the exact same as last card I feel like like 69 like that's possible 90 draw foul 93 driving layup to be all right This is shaping up to be one of our best seasons of war to gain no Questions sitting at four and one going into this episode episode number six right here. I have good things to look forward to Let's say I lost the next let's say out of the next seven games I win three and lose four if that happened I have in a thousand push-ups by one two and lost five. I've had a 12-hour streamer That's not gonna sell that hard right either way teams looking great, but you boys know the rules It's wheel of 2k. I've got one wheel spin to add to the squad. I'm going with the Hakeem Jersey today I'm bringing back out the dream. He's been so so good. He's the happy endings.  Let's see we get you know what it actually wouldn't be a bad idea to have an 11th 12th man Like a completely fresh guy that coming off the bench. So we'll see we can pick that up to Shit dude, it took me so long to get good at wettel. You guys think I'm gonna be good at poultle All right, so this is the poultle jackpot whatever player it is. I can take their best version of their card It's kind of a Hail Mary like I really don't know if they're even gonna have a good card if they don't I might spin again But I do want to try poultle anyway guess one of a curry a Western conference guard who's older than 34 I have by the way This is my first time ever playing pole and I'm also a casual so this is gonna be kind of okay What about Chris Paul a little bit too old so our player is 35 or 36. Oh, it's a pretty tall guard, too What about Luca? Oh, no Lucas way too young but Luca's doubts in the West. I assume they are this is like an old washed-up player I'm gonna go Westbrook, but he's not that tall isn't well here's six three, but he's still not that tall He's also 33. Damn. This is somebody old Eric white. Why is that name come to mind? Yeah? He was a tall guard dude. Who is this? What is silhouette? Oh wait?  There is no shot that he's still in the league, right? Okay, that's silhouette is cheating. No, that's way too easy.  Yes, a dark matter Wait, he's got a ton of good cards.  Oh, is this gonna be one of those that I have to bid on dude Okay, so dog. Yeah, I just get a steal. It's a really good price for him. I got him for a buy now I actually was able to get it. Wow. That is super lucky. Let's go. Rudy Gay, baby. What are the odds? That's so awesome. He is a small forward shooting guard. It is the perfect replacement for Nicholas Batum today's portal Just clutched up so hard. That is wild. All right dark matter Rudy Gay coming off the bench 99 overall six foot eight shooting guard I love that so much like I'm tempted to start him. I love the size mismatch. He can do damn near anything It's got 35 Hall of Fame badges 39 gold. I'm so stoked about let's just literally go five and one another Dust add to the list. All right. The challenge bill is spinning as we hop into this game Give me something with the new player with the new player be sick.  Oh Let's go 50 between two players is actually a pretty damn hard challenge Although I probably would have done it with Hakim and Kareem and it wouldn't have been that bad But like 50 between two players. I barely score 60 again either way our challenge ended up being two times euro step So we're good. I actually learned how to do the euro step on a different challenge Although I forgot again now dude what I really do respect about to gang you can do any it's not very fluid It's difficult. You have to get really into the game But you can learn how to do like a penny hardaway spin jumper that just popped up on my YouTube shorts real I think it's sick like in Madden There's no button combination where I could do like a crazy jump cut juke spit I can just do juke and spin 2k if I really want a euro step behind the back Slandonk I can't Sean can't mark us all power saw Danny Granger be weighed if there's any card. I want the game. It's a shod cam I love Sean. Let's get these euro steps out of the way So to euro step I have to sprint at the hoop double tap X and then stop sprinting Yes, sir. I just do it right at the gates without a euro step I don't know if we're gonna count that as yours one of the few times I'm very happy about the healthy oh and now one of the times I'm not happy So I sprint double tap X and hold away from the Shit oh Why do I keep doing that? What am I doing wrong? Passing in a came gonna miss one.  Why does that keep happening? Dude? I'm gonna figure this euro step I was doing it with John Moran. Oh Good euro step at all. Holy bucket. Let's go. Oh, yes Shit. Oh, I was still sprinting. I can't be sprinting Fine, I'll just go off a three. I'll just green a three whatever Damn it. I keep spinning Sprint up let go double tap X other side sprint up let go double tap X Other side All right, we did it. We did it. We did it. We did it. That was it. I do technically think D rose did Yes, right there.   Oh, here we go.  Oh I have technically I believe made one euro step with D rose I'll probably get three just to be safe put them in the on ball in the on-ball blender.  I Got you clamped. We're struggling right now and he dreams one. He just took the lead Oh clean euro D rose heroes once again, that's for sure a euro Let's get one more to secure the challenge wheel. Also, I gotta make that check damn another green from Dway I gotta make that challenge harder Because now that I know how to euro step like I feel like five is a better number Go zoom with Danny Granger tries to put the hard slam on me does not get it and we'll go over to Hakee Oh, not Hakeem, but Kareem. I didn't know he played football to you guys know that it's a joke It's a wheel of mud joke does anyone get that joke? He's trying to put heroes in the blender. Can't do it puts one up unlucky. I Love centers. Oh Beautiful that's how to Rashi wall is too damn I kind of thought that was Anthony Edwards because it low key looks like a little bit. That's great defense. Yeah, you get that. Oh Three seconds on the shot clock. He drives in passes out shoots a midi can't get it. Let's go. We're off to the races Let's take the lead. Yes, curry pull up three. It's a green.  One of the best computer defenders in the game. If not the best Let's get a good shot up. Let's in fact, let's get a great shot up Jordan to the rack I'm actually okay with that shot You're all heroes Probably at the end of the 30s go up or single Slams on his head sketchy man. The happy endings have more shot attempts. We probably are out rebounding him And that's what I love dude. I'll rebounding someone makes me so happy to get obviously winning is a nice stat, too But I'll rebounding is where I get a little break up. Oh, you're all I was supposed to be a euro he's coming around the edge of D way that is not a good shot good board He's not gonna get this poor zingas up to up to Yannis He's going to the paint.  Oh You did it last game perfect moment to settle down here. Oh, no Wait, that's that Kelvin.  I keep it. I saw that late to scoring drought right now Somebody score euro perfect euro Horrible how is that 50%?  I like this defense actually 32 to 32 that was insane That was just really unlucky though.  Let's go.  Okay. Okay. Let's get a three boys. Yes, it's a Rooney gay I like the attempt there. Oh Jordan Jordan. This is the free zero step. I've ever Do the chemist bullying him. He is in a box and he can't figure it out. I run left. I Just got to shoot now. I ran out of shot clock. I can't be doing this in a five-point game in a two-point game No, we throw the ball away Sean camp sent to the line. He was in the green. How do you not make that? I thought you're like guaranteed to make it and Do I just give up on the euro? It's so hard to decide. I mean, did I really hit the euro at the start of the roads? Oh, but Jordan ends up wide open. Why do open threes?  I just do the ball thing with all his back. Are you shitting me? What is this and Sean camps gonna drill?  It was not a gold tending but would have been nice Rudy gay It's the only one who can come up clutch right now. No challenge. We'll know Yanis. This is an off game No, no help side. I said the whole damn team to no help. Why are you helping? Oh?  What is this? We have missed so many open threes.  We go sprint Let off press the other way euro step. That's just perfect. I get the euro step That was one of the worst games ever that was I hated everything about that literally everything about there look at this three-point bill Goal percentage 25 dude. I shot great threes wide open Curry twice over two wide open Jordan twice over two Call me one for four Jordan over two really gays one for two Curry over two I can't even tell if I did a euro step out of absolute pity for myself I'm gonna pretend that D-Rolls did indeed make a euro step on that first play I'm gonna open one pack, but I won't allow myself to swish equal chance pack since I can't technically like I don't know if I can Technically say I really made that so I'm gonna open one origin pack.  Who is this? Oh Gordon Hayward?  Hey boys.  I'll see you next episode. Let's redeem ourselves peace


Hi everyone, Joe for Jaspie's casebreaks.com. Happy Friday coming at you with a little blast from the past 2017 Panini flawless baseball two box random team number six So a lot of old-school guys new school guys the first Mickey Mantle flawless cards in this set It's all stars legend superstars rookies all sorts of fun stuff. Ladies gentlemen Only only sold 29 spots raisin diamond backs her combo it up big thanks everybody who bought their team straight up and Congrats again to the winners of those spots. There's the combo diamond backs raise And there are no other combos right there. Let's do it. Let's roll it. Let's randomize each list five and a four nine times for names and teams one two three four five six seven Eight and Ninth and final time after nine we got Robert down to Robert with the spot he won and the diamond Kings break number one DK one five and a four nine times for the teams one two three four five six seven eight and Ninth and final time After nine times we've got the combo team on top and the Mets on the bottom All right So Robert with a combo spot diamond backs and raise PJ with the brew crew Rex with the Chicago white socks Burke with the Padres Robert with the Royals Burke with the Marlins PJ with the Tigers Jonathan with the tribe Robert with the socks Jonathan with the A's Tyler. You got my Dodgers Gavin Lux has the bases loaded two outs two and two the count Dodgers leading narrow to one lead Eric with the Yankees the deuces are wild as Vince Gully would say Zach with the Pirates PJ with the Cubs Robert with the Nats Brandon with the Angels PJ with the O's and the cards Paul with the Reds Robert with the Rockies Jonathan with the Blue Jays Oprah with the Astros Jarrett with the Mariners Robert with the twins and the Rangers Burke with the Phillies Jonathan with the Giants Robert with the Braves and the New York Mets Let's sort by column B And we'll give it a few moments for trades. Here's the case right here 2017 flawless. What's been marinating in here? since 2017 Is that the is that Aaron? Is that the Aaron judge here? I think so judge and Belanger Yeah, I think 2017 would be his his official rookie card. Yeah So him and Belanger Was 20 I don't know if 2017 was an Eloy year. I don't know 2017 has a long time ago All right trade window going once trade window going twice Trade window close. Let's roll styrofoam here from the packaging This is this is definitely a grown-up break here folks. We're doing both briefcases So there's the one on top right here And let's pop this one open first And let's see what we got good luck everybody We'll do the middle card first and we'll do left. I think this might only be left right No, we got left right in center Alright, so let's I'm trying not to look at the cards. I want to be as surprised as you when we get into the encased stuff All right, we'll use this blank card right here To slow play the hits a little bit We're gonna lead off with 20 out of 20 Marcus Strowman Nice for the blue jays for Jonathan tried to trade couldn't trade mojo Let's show you the final list as well we've got 9 out of 10, that's Joe DiMaggio Piece of his jersey when they used to wear old like burlap sacks back in the day That is for Eric C and the Yankees So there's the final print out here in random team break number six. We've got a one-of-one and it's George Sisler Tony Lazarian Al Simons one-of-one Be a randomizer at the end. I believe Sisler is a Saint Louis Cardinal Tony Lazarian is a Yankee and Al Simons or Al Simons is a Philadelphia I was gonna say 76ers. That's Ben Simmons Al Simmons is a Philadelphia athletic So we'll set that right there. We'll do that randomizer at the end Someone's gonna get a nice train whistle at the end of those old school guys We've got greats seven out of 20 Tito Terry Francona And that is Cleveland edition And that'll be for Jonathan and the tribe Cleveland. This is for you 12 out of 20. We got Frank Howard Frank Howard Washington senator But was that the senators that turned into the twins or the senators that turned into the Rangers? I think it's the senators that turned into the twins No, so I'm sorry Rangers. It's the senators that turned in the Rangers because Frank Howard played for both. He played for the Washington Center slash Texas Rangers from 1965 to 1972. All right, so that goes to Robert Flores and the Texas Rangers. It's former Dodger, too 8 out of 15 Francisco Lindor on the 18 and under national team Now on the checklist this must be the Indians because he hadn't played for any other team We go we go by the go by the checklist first Yeah, it's gonna be You only just turned them at recently that'll be for Jonathan and the tribe Cleveland this is for you a couple more here one out of five train whistle Clint Frazier New York Yankees It's gonna be for Eric C and the Bronx bombers One out of five out of fives and under get the train whistle All aboard the big hit express And the last one here is four out of seven. Is that Dodger's edition of Ricky Henderson? It is Two-color patch and autograph that goes to Tyler Tyler a and the LA Dodgers The man of steel feel like he played for like 15 20 different teams right play for all 30 teams, right? All right, the left is a dual autograph Wow five out of ten. It's Ken Griffey, Jr. And Ken Griffey senior now this card's interesting because Ken Griffey Jr. Signed in the senior spot and Ken Griffey senior is signed in the junior spot We've seen this car before both Mariners by the way So congrats to Jarrett Kay and the Mariners we talked about this We think that the card we think dad probably screwed it up first We we our theory is that dad started signing down here and junior was like dad Come on. You're embarrassing me man in front of my friends You're supposed to sign where your name is Come on pops Yeah, but remember I don't know if you've seen these before but senior side in the junior spot and juniors in the senior spot Right, so I've pulled this before and we always like to debate like who screwed it up who signed to the wrong place first We think it's dad. It's dad. Right. It's like come on dad Come on. I think dad. I think dad screwed it up Your son just got signed right next to your picture thing though Like yeah, I think they send it to senior first and then junior got gets a box of these in the mail and juniors like You don't think they had like Sunday dinner and they were just no no I think I think it's I think it's went to two different places You think they did the same thing same day. I mean, I still think that's This could have been an event I'm saying I feel like that screwed up first So and then he slides the cards over to junior and juniors like dad wrong play You know dad's art come on dad No, I'd be like dad. What are you doing? All right on this side Babe Ruth diamond 16 out of 20 Duke you think they might have done it on purpose just to Be tricksy hobbits it's possible Nice Babe Ruth Eric with the Yankees. All right, and the last one here is 14 out of 15 Ruby Frank Thomas the big hurt Going to Rex who won that spot in one of our filler breaks nice Ruby Rex Ruby Rex Naturally mind all the gems not lab grown. All right The case is closed on one box and another case to open Good luck everybody. Thanks for getting in Good luck right out of the gate is Hunter Renfrow two out of five Padres Burke with the friars out of fives another train whistle All aboard the big hit Express We got eight out of ten that's Greg Maddox That says Atlanta right there Go into Robert Flores and the bravos Five out of 20. That's Elston Howard for the Yankees And they wore those old burlap sack jerseys another Yankee for Eric C Jim Rice eight out of ten for the Boston Red Sox Robert Flores and the Boston Red Sox Three-color jersey an autograph tray Turner nice six out of 15. He's having an excellent season this year Robert with the Nats 11 out of 20. That's Eloy Jimenez Autograph I think you're right Rex. Here it is That's Chicago. That's got to be that's Chicago White Sox Eloy Jimenez, right? When was it? When was he traded? I do need a checklist for this this old old stuff here Think so I think it'd be more blue on the back of the card if it was spell Eloy there we go No Eloy still cubs in this edition here So Eloy Jimenez is only in the cubs section So that goes to PJ and the Chicago cubs All right, sorry Rex, but congrats PJ a couple more to go here we have 13 out of 20 Tom Glavin braves and the last one here is another dual autograph. Uh-oh Eight out of 20. That's Ryan Samberg and Frank Thomas dual auto One happy person one sad person PJ with the cubs Rex who's a cubs fan actually has the south-siders in this one. All right, so we'll do that randomizer at the end Two gem cards and then should be an autograph. Let me grab the gem cards first. Let's grab this side it's Nice George Brett for the Royals six out of 20 diamond Shining bright like a diamond Robert with Kansas City in the middle is There's the Naturally my not allowed grown Ken Griffey, Jr 10 out of 15 Ruby Jared K with another mariner You can tell it's a cut auto, right?  Oh my PJ got randomized Detroit Oh That is amazing case is closed PJ all aboard the big hit express What a hit I was just marinating in there since 2017 All right, let's make some people happy. Let's make some people sad Whoo. All right, let's flip back to this green right there. We got two randomizers do got one featuring George Sissler for the St. Louis Cardinals Tony Lazare for the New York Yankees and Philadelphia A's Philadelphia old Philadelphia athletics for Al Simmons The other dual auto Was the Rhino the Chicago players Chicago White Sox Chicago Cubs that is in Chicago White Sox one dice roll for both lists three and a five eight times For the triple and which is a one-of-one Wait, yeah, Tony. Liz. Harry's a Yankee and Sis oh, Sisler's an Oreo. Oh, he was a St. Louis Brown. Did that turn into the Orioles? It's not the St. Louis Wow, I'm glad I checked. All right. Sorry Cardinals George Sissler is a St. Louis Brown, which turned in which moved to the Baltimore became the Orioles. All right Once again three and a five eight times one two three four five six seven and Eighth and final time after eight there you go goes to Baltimore. That will be four Wow PJ and the Orioles. All right goes to the Baltimore Orioles You gotta make one person happy one person sad in this one Three and a five eight times for the dual auto one two three four five six Seven and eighth and final time after eight goes to the Cubs PJ by lottery ticket PJ Gets the eight out of ten eight out of twenty dual auto Ryan Sandberg and the big hurt Oh, and this was a one-of-one as well So Baltimore PJ all aboard the big hit express whoo-hoo Let's take another look at your tie-cobb again Yeah, he's by a lottery ticket Like stat they're like and then and then donate donate some money to me There you go in Instagram's gonna go check it out. I'm Joe for jaspercase rakes.com. Yes big rig that just happened Thanks for watching everybody. Thanks for breaking with us. I'll see you next time for the next one. Bye. Bye


Next question is from Coach Carruthers. What were some of the resources you read or studied that had an impact on your current programs? Oh my gosh, you know, so here's the thing. We, MAPS Anabolic, I created, what was it? Back in what, 2013? 13, okay. And then, you know, MAPS Performance and Aesthetic and Split and so on, all the other programs we all created together. What went into writing those programs? Decades of experience between all of us. So you're looking at, you know, 60 years of experience. If we don't even count Doug, you can throw in another 20 years on top of it. With all the studies and all the certifications. With studies, certifications, with reading, with training, so many different clients and training ourselves, that's what went into the programs. So if I listed all the stuff that I read. But not only that, like I know where this person is going like with this, like, oh, you know, you guys, the way you have your frequency or the choices of exercises, like what studies led to that. And it wasn't a study that led to any one of those single decisions. It's a culmination. It's concepts. Yes. I think it's all these concepts that we were exposed to. We tried with our clients. We saw successes by doing certain methods that we learned and gone through certification courses and things. And we're like, I really like this for this specific reason. And so I would take certain types of, you know, mobility moves and be like, this is going to be a great assessment. And so I would, you know, look at things like that as I was going through these courses. So yesterday I get a DM from someone. So I guess Mike Matthews, a good friend of ours, right? Owns the Supplement Company Legion, also writes some good fitness books. Knows his stuff. Mike Matthews is one of the better, I'd say fitness authorities that there are today. But Mike Matthews interviewed, what's his name? Menohelmensman? I don't know how to say his name. Big body bowler guy? No, this guy does lots of studies and training people for a long time. He was on his podcast and the debate was full body workouts versus body part splits. Now we know Mike Matthews, a big fan of body part splits. Menoh is full body. And if you ask a lot of coaches and trainers who've trained a lot of people over a long period of time, they say full body. So I get this DM and he's like, you know, I love Mike and I love you and you guys are so smart. But, you know, Mike, he leans more towards splits and why does he do that when you guys are always talking about full body? And I said, look, I said, Mike is extremely knowledgeable, very smart. The guy reads everything and he knows how to disseminate it and break down the studies and pick what is actually working and what's not working. Now we've done that as well, but we also combine that with lots of experience, training lots and lots and lots of people and that's why we get the best way we have our opinion. There's a behavioral component in all of our decisions. When I think about the core. At the end of the day, it's what works. When I think of the core principles of the programming that we've done, like obviously all the research around periodization. So if you read all the research around periodization, you'll get the understanding of why we phase the workouts.  Just the core of all of our programs. And then after that, then we have taken an account, then frequency would be another one, right? All the studies that are around frequency Tempo, volume. Those to me are like the really good as far as the research is there. Then after that, then we all sit here and we go back and forth on what we've seen. And we take an account. So some study might say, oh, this is the best for this. But then we go, well, wait a second. How many of the clients did you ever train stuck to that for longer than two weeks? That never works. Right, exactly. And how do those flow together in the workout? Because everything written on paper is completely different than actually applying it in person, watching somebody go through it. Yeah, I'll make a silly example. Let's say a study comes out tomorrow and it says, cardio at 4 a.m. Fasted for 45 minutes, burned 15% more fat than cardio at any other time of the day. Then you'd get the research junkies who come out and be like, this is how you should do cardio. This is what I prescribe. 45 minutes at 4 a.m. Because here's what the study said. Me as a trainer is going to say, don't do that. I've never had any client that's ever done 45 minutes of cardio at 4 a.m. every single day. Forever. It just doesn't work. Right, they're not going to do it forever. Yeah, so it's not worth the 15% because you're going to get 0% because you're never going to do it. That's a silly example that I made it very clear. Another good example is what you're talking about with the body part split versus the full body argument. We talk about it at Nauseum on this podcast.  Most people are going how they feel.  They get sick. They miss a day. And so you have to factor all that in and consistency with whatever they're going to do is really important. So if you have somebody who's on a body part split and they're like 80% of the population who goes consistent for a couple of weeks or maybe in a couple of months and then falls off the wagon and comes back, what you end up finding out is over the course of months and years, somebody who follows a full body routine ends up hitting the muscle groups more frequently, which ends up giving them more results in the big picture, not just in a six-week study. And it's also this other factor that nobody ever considers, which is just the practice. The practice of the same exercise is over and over and getting good at them. That's why it makes them so effective, full body workouts do that. So I'm going to list certain books that have been more influential than others. Now, as a kid, I read all the magazines. When I say all, I literally, I mean, I had my first job that I was working with my dad at the age of 13 and then I got jobs at restaurants after that, washing dishes. And I literally subscribed to Ironman, Muscle and Fitness, Flex Magazine, Muscle Mag, Muscle Media 2000, and I think that's it. I had five Muscle Magazine subscriptions. So I read all of them all the time. Those had a lot of influence and although they were big pamphlets to sell supplements, essentially, there was some articles in there that were pretty smart. And so I did learn some stuff. Arnold Schwarzenegger's Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding. Very, very impactful because it literally listed all of the, definitely all of the free weight exercises for every body part. So I learned all the exercises that you could do with free weights at a very young age from that book because I was able to study it. Mike Menser's Heavy Duty was another book that had a huge impact, mainly because he positioned an argument which was, hey, if you do way less volume, do more intensity, you'll get the same results. Now, what he said wasn't 100% correct, but it did get me to question certain things and look at the way that I would design my workouts. Dinosaur Training was another book that I learned a lot from. And then Old Publications. I'm talking about Turn of the Century, first the strongman of the early 1900s, watching how they worked out. Gene Sandow and your Charles Atlases and all those. I was totally researching all that stuff too. I loved old strength journals and ways that, people did it back in the day before we had this surge of anabolic steroids and different ways of organizing the gym with machines. It's like, what did we used to do? And so I got into that. I got into Dr. Ed Thomas' work. He was really movement focused, Greg Cook, Eric Cressy, lots of the sports-specific type of trainers out there that put out really good information. So another one was Super Training by Mel Siff, which is where we finally got information about everything from Russian studies. And it's just stuff like that. If you look towards your interest, and so obviously I had an interest in movement and specifically in athletic pursuits. Another area that none of us mentioned right now that is taking into consideration all the programs is mobility and movement. So books like Supple Leopard or certifications like Ken Stretch or Aldoah or FRC, things like that are also taking into consideration one more program. Because it's not just about the X's and O's on everything. It's also about just learning to teach people to move better and all the deficiencies and dysfunction that we saw for all those years. So things like that are taking into consideration when we choose certain exercise or exercise order because we know the habits and behaviors of people. And here's what else is really cool is that, and I loved it when I met Adam and Justin because I had met two other fanatics about fitness that were similar to my level of fanaticism. They would look at some different things, but they studied it with the same level of passion. And so what you get is you get, sometimes people get stuck at just listening to advice from one type of strength athlete like bodybuilder or powerlifter or yoga expert. One thing that I did is, and I did this later on and it was so impactful, was I studied how powerlifters trained and then I studied how Olympic lifters trained and then I'd read about kettlebell type training and I'd read about martial arts and calisthenics type training. And all of this, you get all these nuggets of wisdom from these old forms of training. Powerlifting's been around for a long time. So is bodybuilding, so is Olympic lifting, kettlebell training even longer. You're gonna get aspects and things that you can learn from each of them apply to your training. So what you see in our programs is a culmination of, it's like our programs, and although all of them are designed for martial arts like for example maps, performance, build muscle, but move well. We like to use the ancient athlete as the avatar. But what you really have are the mixed martial arts of muscle building programs. We pick the best from each category and injected what works so well in each category. So what you end up with is a very well balanced body that builds muscle, avoids plateaus, and it feels phenomenal. I also feel like we broke down a lot of barriers that we saw. I remember this was a lot of the motivation on the podcast is to your point, Sal, about how we tend to gravitate towards one professional or one expert in a field, and then we marry that ideology. And then what the fitness space does is they separate everybody, and my way is better than your way, because that's what sells better. I'm trying to sell my ideas that my way of training or my modality is better than your modality, and just the three of us didn't subscribe to that belief. Because we had so much experience in all different aspects, we studied all different ways of training, we saw the value of all of it, and it wasn't like, oh, this guy's more right than that guy. It's like, no, they're all right in their own right, and there's something to take from all of those. And really, when you look at the entire collection of all the maps programs, they are. There's pieces of all of that in every one of those programs, because none of us subscribed to one ideology. Dude, it's like Bruce Lee was quite a bit of a philosopher when it came to martial arts, and he was one of the first martial artists to say, here's what Kung Fu does, and that's really well. And oh, look at the way the boxers dance in their footwork, and look how they use the jab, and look how wrestlers change levels and are able to control a fight on the ground, and look at submissions and leverage and all that stuff. And I mean, all of those things make you a really good fighter, right? So that's really the big thing that you want to take out of this. Even if your goal is just to build a lot of muscle, man, you don't think power lifters build muscle or Olympic lifters build muscle or kettlebell athletes build muscle. You don't think mobility helps you build muscle. All those things contribute to better performance and better results, and so studying all of those things, I think that's gone into each and every maps program.


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