The final item of business this evening is a member's business debate on motion 4407 in the name of Pam Gosel on congratulating Scottish universities on research excellence framework 2021 results. The debate will be concluded without any questions being put. I invite members who wish to speak in the debate to press their request to speak buttons now or as soon as possible and I invite Pam Gosel to open the debate for around seven minutes. I am honoured to be holding my second member's business debate on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives, celebrating Scotland's status as a world-leading research nation. I would like to start by thanking University Scotland and Scotland's rural college for sending briefings ahead of this debate. I would also like to congratulate St Andrew's University on ranking top of the guardians 2023 university guide and on being named Scottish university of the year in the times good university guide 2023. When I first submitted this motion, I was delighted to learn that around 85 per cent of research submitted by Scottish universities is considered world leading or internationally excellent in its quality. It is particularly impressive that every single one of Scotland's universities was found to be undertaking world-leading research. The research power behind Scotland's universities is immense and it is this that is driving force behind many policy developments that help to identify and respond to social economic challenges facing Scotland, the UK and the world. One such example is the joint partnership between Scotland's rural college and the University of Edinburgh, which retains its position as the strongest provider on agriculture, food and veterinary sciences in the UK. All 11 case studies submitted, eight of which involve SRUC, were considered world leading. Those range from topics such as refined greenhouse gas reporting to barley disease management, all of which promotes sustainable growth for Scotland's natural economy. It is all not only the UK that stands to benefit from Scotland's research contributions, but, as convener of the cross-party group on India, I have learned a great deal about international research collaborations. The University of Dundee, the University of Glasgow and the City of Glasgow College are all involved in the clean-up gunga case study, which involves mapping and monitoring water quality in the gunga. That research will make a fantastic contribution to the environment in India, but it will also create transferable knowledge that can be shared and learned from at home and across the globe. Let us not forget that research helps us through the pandemic and every day it helps cure diseases as well as identifying new ones. Research finds solutions to problems and problems to solutions. It is estimated that for every £1 million of public investment in Scottish University research, £8 million is generated in economic output. Whether that be through creating growth in emerging industries, job creation or attracting foreign direct investment, it is clearly an attractive area of investment. University of Scotland has a bold ambition to take innovation partnerships with SMEs across the UK to the next level. That is a necessary step for businesses responding to unpredictable or slow growth markets, but it is also a must for any sustainable economic growth. There is an appetite for Scotland's world-leading research capabilities, but we must be there to capitalise on them. We cannot let that be a missed opportunity. The SNP Green national economic transformation strategy claims to want to transform the economy, but that message has not been translated into action yet. There has been cuts to funding such as a 31 per cent real-terms cut in the research excellence grant 2014, since a projected 37 per cent real-terms cut to the teaching grant by 2024. And a 2,325 drop in funding per Scottish student since 2014. And it's with statistics like these that Scotland is losing its competitive edge on English universities. In contrast to Scotland, England's quality research grant is forecast to increase by over 10 per cent in cash terms between 2021 and 2023. Universities are increasingly being asked to do more with less. The university funding model is on its knees. It is set to more reliant on international tuition fees than on the SNP government, which is a high-risk strategy. But I believe that if the Scottish Government wants to see true transformation and growth, then they need to acknowledge that. We need to see investment. To lose our competitive edge in research and development would be to lose one of the most attractive areas of investment in our economy. In conclusion, despite our reining status as a world-leading research nation and financial constraints facing universities' risk-stunting growth, the SNP Government must find a way to not only support but to champion anacademic research. I, just like everybody else here in the chamber, am keen to work cross-party towards a solution. Going forward, I hope that the Scottish Government consider the asks from bodies such as Universities Scotland and look toward an economic return of such an investment, as the saying goes. There is no research without action and no action without research. Gossel, we now move to the open debate. I call first co-cab Stewart, to be followed by Stephen Kerr, for around four minutes. Thank you, Presiding Officer, and thank you to Pam Gossel for allowing the Parliament to reflect on the remarkable success of Scottish universities with this motion. In contributing to this debate, I would like to highlight the successes of the Universities of Glasgow, and Strath Clyde in particular, both located within my own constituency of Glasgow, Kelvin. Glasgow has been ranked 13th in the research excellence framework, rankings of 129 institutions and Strath Clyde 33rd. Those are highly credible performances, and both universities should be proud of their performance, achieved with intense focus and effort on the part of the staff, who we know also to have busy teaching timetables and student welfare responsibilities. The University of Glasgow's achievement is particularly exceptional, and I want to pay tribute to the university leadership team for its vision and commitment and to researchers who have delivered the result for the University of Glasgow and Scotland. Before the summer recess, I visited myself, the breathtaking new Mazzamdar Shaw Advanced Research Centre, known as the ARC. The new building is central to Glasgow University's research strategy. Moreover, the unique concept of creating world-changing research, which contributes to solving global challenges, is a huge credit to the institution and its academics. As you may know, the advanced research centre brings together over 500 leading researchers in a building specifically designed to break down organisational structures, facilitate collaboration and provide true societal impact. By housing such diverse teams within the same building, the ARC exposes individuals and researchers to areas and each other so that they can collaborate. It increases opportunities for interdisciplinary work on global challenges. It has exceptional features and accommodation, and I encourage everyone to go and visit it because the grand floor is open to the public at all times. The fact that the university has achieved this remarkable ranking while also delivering widening access to students from Scotland's most deprived areas and achieving a ranking of 19 out of 1,046 international institutions in the world for its positive impact on society in the times higher education impact rankings earlier this year makes it all the more impressive. Turning to Strathplides University, I would like to note the quality of Strathplides University's research and its impact, which has been recognised as the Scottish Government's significant investment in university ventures such as the advanced forming research centre and the continuous manufacturing and crystallisation. It is also reflected in Strathplides' leading role in national centres, including the National Centre for Manufacturing Institute Scotland and the Medicines Manufacturing Innovation Centre. In finishing, I want to sign just a wee note of serious concern. Brexit may not yet have dealt a hammer blow to research in Scottish universities, but we read earlier this year that one of Scotland's top cancer experts is considering moving a major research project abroad amid political turmoil and warnings that a Brexit-linked impasse over EU funding will starve universities of talent. In July this year, the Herald newspaper reported that Dr Payam Gamaj, who works at the Cancer Research UK Beatson Institute in Glasgow, warned that the UK's departure from the £80 billion horizon Europe programme is accelerating the UK's decline as a global centre for scientific excellence. He also said that development would significantly reduce Scotland's appeal to overseas researchers and stress that it was already proving impossible to attract applications from EU states. That is not what Scotland voted for. I would like to close on a note of hope that Scotland will return sooner rather than later to the EU's valuable, collaborative institutions and safeguarding the on-going excellence of our university's research input and output. We should measure what co-cab students have said against the actions of the SNP-Green Scottish Government. Before I get to that, I congratulate Pam Gosel on bringing this debate to the chamber tonight. This is the first time that I have had the privilege of addressing the chamber in my new capacity as our education spokesperson. As noted by Pam Gosel, there is world-leading research and development happening right here in Scotland. It helps Scotland and the rest of Britain to tackle social and economic challenges and much else besides the real challenges that we are facing in this ever-dynamic and changing world, which is why protecting and growing Scotland's research capabilities should be of utmost importance to everyone within this Parliament. The SNP and the Greens may talk in a way that gives the impression that they understand this importance, but the reality of their actions show us that they do not. Ahead of today's Education, Children and Young People's Committee meeting, the University of Scotland submitted evidence that said by 2024-25, the University's teaching grant will have been cut by 34.7% in real terms over 10 years and the research budget will have been cut by 41%. Let those numbers sink in. By 2024-25, our University's teaching grant cut by 34.7% in real terms over 10 years, the research budget cut by 41%. The Scottish Funding Council submitted evidence to the same committee, which highlighted that the average annual research funding gap in Scotland from 2015-16 to 2018-19 was £328 million. That is a gap of SNP-Green credibility when they talk about excellence in our universities and when they talk about excellence in our research capabilities. An analysis of UKRI, the UK Research and Innovations Industrial Strategy Challenge Fund, shows that only 6.5% of the funding went to Scotland compared with 44.2% going to London and the south-east of England. That is also a commentary on things as they are today. Collectively, this evidence shows that the success of research at Scotland's universities, highlighted by the motion, is not because of Scottish Government policy, but despite it. He refers to the amount of money drawn down through UKRI. Would he also reflect on the fact that universities overall win around 13% of the UK's project-based research funding with around 8% of the UK's population? Given the suggestion that he thinks that more money should be invested, where precisely should that money come from in the Scottish Government's budget? I am supporting the motion that complements and praises Scotland's universities' research capabilities and performance. However, I am saying very clearly to everyone's understanding that the SNP Scottish Government has much to answer for in its stewardship of Scotland's universities' research funding. I will, yes. Michael Manner, the minister in his intervention will be well aware that, in 2014, Scotland captured up to 15% of UKRI funding across the whole of the UK that is dropped by 2.5% in the interim period, exactly as a direct consequence of the funding gaps that Mr Kerr is highlighting. I am very grateful to Michael Manner for bringing those facts to the attention of the chamber. World-leading research and development spurs innovation, invention and improvements in the Scottish economy. In fact, it is only a few months ago that the finance secretary, Kate Forbes, brought to the chamber and launched a transformative plan for Scotland's economy. The truth is that, at the centre of that plan, are the centres of excellence in Scotland's universities, which will by and by create high-paid jobs, sustainable economic growth and a competitive advantage to Scotland. However, by cutting Scotland's research budget, the SNP is not only putting Scotland's world-leading research sector at risk, but it is cutting opportunities to create high-paid jobs in Scotland, and it is cutting opportunities to create sustainable economic growth in Scotland, and it is cutting opportunities to give Scotland that competitive advantage in a global economy. I will conclude by simply asking, is that what they call being stronger for Scotland? I do not think so. Rather than continuing with their financial cuts to research in Scotland and putting the sector at risk, the SNP should recognise the mistakes that they are making. Rather than continuing to cut opportunities, the SNP should be developing an ambitious plan that puts Scotland at the forefront of R&D within various fields such as pharmaceuticals, industrial machinery, computer technology, agriculture and green energy, and the funding that the Scottish Government provides must match the ambition of the plan. We cannot become complacent. I can see that I am testing the patience of the Deputy Presiding Officer. He thinks that I have taken enough time and I probably have. I will simply conclude by saying that Scottish University's research deserves better than it gets from the SNP Scottish Government. Thank you very much indeed, Mr Kerr. I now call Michelle Thompson to be followed by Martin Whitefield again for around four minutes, Ms Thompson. Presiding Officer, this place has a tradition of members' debates that are not overtly political, rather to focus on shared agreement and celebration of shared cross-party interests. That is what I intend to do in my short remarks. Scotland's universities have achieved so much that it is internationally excellent and world-leading, and that brings significant benefits for society. I have a very long active long Covid community group in Falka East, and the international study into long Covid led by the University of Glasgow, along with the World Health Organization, is likely to be of practical benefit to our understanding of the complexity of the condition. One of the characteristics of university research that is sometimes overlooked is the extent to which it involves working with others, as the University of Glasgow working alongside World Health Organization demonstrates. The University of Stirling in particular deserves great praise, not least because it is close to my constituency and many of my constituents have benefited from undergraduate and postgraduate studies. Indeed, some of the postgraduate research students contribute directly to its research excellence, and I know that their local MSP, Evelyn Tweedy, is disappointed that she is currently unwell in missing this debate. I want to note in particular that the university's institute of aquaculture is ranked first in the UK for impact, with 100 per cent of its research achieving the highest possible rating. It too has had huge links to other organisations in search of impact. The late Professor James Muir, after 30 years at the institute, moved to a post with the United Nations, and in one of his last international assignments he reviewed the Benguela current commission based in Namibia, a testimony to both his and the university's global standing. I also have a connection to Stirling University, in which regard I must point to my register of interests and my role as a director of the humanitarian organisation Revive campaign. We currently have two University of Stirling postgraduate students conducting research for us, one considering the impact of the war in Ukraine from a humanitarian standpoint and the other researching how humanitarian policies interact with the United Nations development goals. In so many ways, our university research capability has profound practical benefits for society, and as we look to the future, my contention is the role of university-based research will be of even greater critical importance. The world that we live in today is changing faster than ever before. Most of the scientific and technological changes have been reliant on university research and such changes have had impacts on both our wider social and cultural lives. In the future, research-based change will be even faster. The late Professor Tom Stonier, dubbed by some as the Professor of the Future, pointed out in the 1990s that in the last 25 years of the 20th century there will have been more people working in front-line research than the entire earlier history of the world fueling accelerating change. Things have continued to develop, making research the most fundamental need for any society with ambitions to make progress. Scotland needs to hold fast to her ambition and continue to invest in our university research base despite taxing economic times. Our very future depends on it. I thank Pam Gosel for bringing this motion before us. It is a great pleasure to follow Michelle Thomson's contribution, and I echo her final words of the importance of research for the future not just here in Scotland but for the future of the whole planet. It is in research where so many of the answers that we are desperately seeking, and indeed we sometimes shout about in this chamber, may well indeed be found in a possibly more rational location by those who apply their minds. However, the university research here in Scotland is of course world-leading. We have heard that. The million pounds that the Scottish Government invests in university research has generated a return of £8 million. Indeed, the return from UKRI funding is £12 million. The results for Scottish universities based on 21,256 research outputs, 8,675 academic staff across 18 institutions speak for themselves. We have heard about the 41 per cent of research that is four star, that is world-leading. The 44 per cent that is internationally excellent, three star, submitted across all areas, 50 per cent of research judged as world-leading or internationally excellent. This demonstrates the excellence across our country. What does that mean in the hard realities? For the Chamber's information, there are apparently 31,097 universities and higher education institutes across the world. The USA has 3,216 Australia, 190 Canada, 387 China, 2,565 across the United Kingdom, 280. However, what does that reality look like for people who get up in the morning and go out to work? Here in Scotland, Edinburgh University's research, world-leading, changed the age of criminal responsibility for us. Now we have the lowest number of young people in prison since 1972. At a UK level, Edinburgh research saved the NHS £2 billion across six years by improving stroke prevention around the world. The university research has saved a million children's lives from pneumonia, led to the banning of corporal punishment in schools and across several South American countries. Apparently, there are 175 million smartphones faster, greener and ready for the complex demands of tomorrow and 5G because of Edinburgh University. However, it is a reality, and it is a challenge, but I think that it needs to be addressed here, that the excellence here in Scotland is narrowing when compared with the rest of the UK, and there is funding pressures. Despite a sector-best performance, eight universities in Scotland saw their research funding cut in spring this year following the RAF results due to insufficient investment in the research excellent grant, the REG, as allocated by the Scottish Funding Council. Four of our highest performing universities saw their cuts of greater than £1 million. As Ian Gillespie, principal and vice chancellor at the University of Dundee wrote, well, where does this leave a university like Dundee? Midsized Scottish Research Intensive University? The answer, he said, is the squeezed middle. That group of institutions that, despite excellent overall results in RAF, including outstanding results in some areas, have received significant reduction in REG funding from the SFC. That is a challenge going forward. It is a challenge for this SNP-green Scottish Government because the challenge, as we heard from Michelle Thompson, is that we do not fund research. If we do not fund both applied research to move things forward but also the blue sky thinking that is needed, Scotland's future is looking grim. That is the UK's and that is the world because it is in our researchers, both the scientists, the engineers, the technologists, the whole teams that gather together to solve some of the hardest problems that we face and some that truly do sit around and think the impossible and make it possible, we have a very dim future going forward. Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. Thank you very much, Mr Wettfield. I now call Michael Manner, the final speaker in the open debate again in around four minutes, please. Thank you, Presiding Officer, and thank you to Pam Gosall for bringing the debate to the chamber. It is right that we have the opportunity to celebrate the research culture and the outputs from our universities. It is an ancient but enduring strength of Scotland that Martin Wettfield has rightly highlighted, but it is something that we have to treasure and hold as a delicate treasure of our country. I am proud to represent a region with four, in particular, outstanding universities in Aberdeen, Robert Gordon University, University of Abertau and the University of Dundee. I want to make mention before I talk about projects or the general issues to the professional staff who work in the universities, frankly for whom the REF process, as they know it, is an absolute nightmare. It is not enjoyable process. It takes many hours to fill in complex case studies and to produce evidence to be assessed. We owe them our thanks for the fantastic standings that our universities are in and that we are all here tonight to celebrate. Those universities and those individuals do not do any of that alone. Research in universities is fundamentally a collaborative process. It is done with partners and other institutions both across the UK and internationally. We do not have to look further in what we saw in the Covid pandemic for the rapid production of vaccines within our universities when people can collaborate across borders. Some of the barriers to that collaboration were brought down, hopefully forever, in that process, in pre-print publications and rapid dissemination of the results of testing, so that we can have human benefit rather than intellectual property as a result of the outputs of our publicly funded institutions. In Co-Cab Stewart, it was right, I believe, to highlight Brexit. Brexit, in itself, has been a fundamental attack on that culture of collaboration. We should not walk away of dismiss the ideas. I do not think that anybody in this chamber would the challenges that that brings, the fact that access to the European institutions and their fantastic resource in different cultures of research, the barriers that have been put up to that as a result of Brexit. Brexit is about sharing knowledge, making sure that there is open access to that information. I know colleagues across universities whose careers have been fundamentally damaged by that process, who were funded through European funding and projects. It is a different track of funding, a different way, Presiding Officer, of gaining resource. To have that removed, I think, has ruined some careers in Scotland and right across the UK. Frankly, it is shameful that it has done so. The sooner you write in terms of full access to those collaborations, the better. In Co-Cab Stewart, I know that SNP members have to reflect on that, about not putting up barriers to collaboration. In the spirit of Michelle Thompson's point, in terms of not being too political, I will not go much further in that respect. However, if we are going to make sure that we have a continued collaboration, that has to be at the forefront of the minds of SNP members to make sure that barriers are not put up to how we work across those islands. I would also say that it does not serve this Parliament well not to highlight the challenges that we have. I know that the minister will respond to this in his closing remarks. We had this very morning at Education Committee the reflections of Professor George Boyle, the principal of the University of Aberdeen, who was drawing attention to the long-term trends of decline where we are. In the draft figures that we are celebrating today, English universities, Welsh universities and our UK universities have improved the performance at a faster rate than Scottish universities have. That is the challenging truth for us as a Parliament and as parliamentarians, that if we are going to safeguard that ancient and fantastic culture of research that we have in this country, we have to do better and we have to have a long-term and hard look at how we make sure that those trends do not scupper our universities in the years to come. Thank you, Presiding Officer. Thank you very much indeed, Mr Marra. I now call on the minister to respond to the debate for around seven minutes, please, Mr Hitler. Thank you very much, Presiding Officer. Can I also begin by thanking Pangosl for bringing forward this debate by tabling the motion that she laid before? Part of this has been a very useful opportunity for us to reflect on and celebrate the many successes of Scotland's academic institutions and its research strengths. We know that we have a world-class research base here in Scotland and the new knowledge and insights that they produce are fundamental to our on-going recovery and growth. I can also add my congratulations as Pangosl did to St Andrew's in the news that he received in recent days. I thank members for their contributions. I will try to respond to as many as I can, but his contribution this evening allows me to welcome Mr Kerr to his new role as Conservative education spokesperson. I look forward to his on-going constructive contribution to discourse on all matters educational. I am sure that I can rely on him in that regard, but, returning to the subject matter this evening, the research excellence framework results that we saw recently fundamentally demonstrate that there is much to be celebrated in Scottish research. Our success does not just rely on a few institutions. Scottish university research is world-class right across the board. There is evidence of world-leading research in every single university in Scotland. That is something that we should laud and celebrate and make every effort to highlight. I thought that Martin Whitfield laid out some of that in detail, so I will not rehearse what he had to say, but I would absolutely. Because close here in Scotland, we have Open University Scotland, whose research is actually attributed to Open University as a whole, rather than the separate and distinct and resting in the Scottish figures. Indeed, I would reflect that the Open University in Scotland, which I have regular dialogue with, is a very much valued part of the landscape of higher education here in Scotland. I also want to join Michael Marra in acknowledging the, because we can talk about this in generic terms, the achievements of our universities, but all those achievements rely on the individual contribution of people working day in and day out in research in the various disciplines that they work in, so I want to join him in thanking those individuals. That research is allowing us, as a Nathan, to make significant breakthroughs when some of the biggest challenges and opportunities that we also face, Scottish researchers are driving innovations in the way that we treat cancer and the many other developing solutions that address the climate emergency and child poverty, they are bringing new knowledge that transforms our health care, technology, environmental sustainability and more, and, of course, they also played a critical role in reorientating and gearing much of the research activity during the Covid-19 period to make sure that we were responding to the challenges that we face. It is unsurprising, therefore, that the results show almost 90 per cent of our impact judged to be outstanding or very considerable. I should say to Cokab Stewart that I have been able to see firsthand how Scottish research changed lives at the University of Glasgow. When I visited the research into inflammatory arthritis centre with versus arthritis, I met the world-leading researchers advancing our understanding of the causes of rheumatoid arthritis, which would have no effects on more than 400,000 adults in the United Kingdom and 44,000 here in Scotland. That underlines the impact that it can have on people's real-life experience. It also speaks to the partnership approach that Michelle Thompson spoke of. I have seen examples of that world-leading research at all the various institutions that I have mentioned briefly. The minister has a tremendous responsibility because it is in his stewardship to see that the numbers that were quoted this morning from the University of Scotland about this real-terms cut in the research budget over 10 years or 41 per cent is reversed. Will the minister tell us what he is going to do to fight that much harder to make sure that this investment in Scotland's future is increased on his watch? I will come on to talk about the figures, but that was a reference to the recent research excellence grant awards. I should say that that has always been a competitive process. That has not changed and, by the nature of any competitive process, some may benefit more by that award than others. However, I would want to place on record that that model was shaped with consultation with the sector itself. I want to go back to the point that I was about to make, because both Cocab Stewart and Michael Marra spoke of the impact of Brexit. That is a concern to me. I want to assure all members that this Government is absolutely committed to making sure that there are no barriers to research and to underline that point. I was very happy to go just this morning to an event at the University of Edinburgh with Unah Europa, a coalition of European universities stretching across the continent, underlining the international approach that we have in Scotland. I reaffirmed that as an approach that I very much support and the Scottish Government values. In terms of the research base that we have—this speaks to some of the figures, because some have been banded about—what was not placed on record and enables me to do so is that, for all the points that have been made—I take them seriously—Scotland still ranks seventh amongst the OECD countries for higher education research and developed spend as a percentage of GDP. That is above the EU average, the OECD average and the UK average as well. We are continuing to invest nearly £300 million in research and innovation for this year. That is an increase from last year. We spent £3 million on our Salta research awards. Last year, it supported 200 projects between Scotland and Europe. That all contributes towards a wealth of research activity and enables them to leverage additional resources that enable Scotland to win around 13 per cent of the UK's project-based research funding, again with 8 per cent of the UK's population, as I mentioned a few moments ago. Scottish Institutions won around 12 per cent of the overall research grants and contracts from EU government bodies secured by the UK. Scottish organisations over the period 2014-2020 won €874 million from horizon 2020, around 11 per cent of the overall UK winnings under that programme. We are punching above our weight, just on that particular programme. If I am able to, I will give way to Mr Marra in a moment. That is a particular area of concern, because there have been suggestions about the concerns of the Scottish Government's investment. The concern right now is that we have a UK Government that is ready to take us out of the horizon 2020 programme, a programme that delivered nearly £900 million of investment from 2014 to 2020 above the UK performance here to Scotland. Do I have to give way? I can give you the time back, Mr Marra. Michael Marra. Thank you to the minister for giving way. I think that it is pointed about punching above our weight as well made. I made my intervention earlier about the declining trend in that regard. However, can I highlight the University of Dundee's performance in biomedical sciences, number one university in the UK, the whole of the UK for biomedical sciences, life sciences, that will drive the future of the Scottish economy better than any but Cambridge or Oxford? However, the question remains that, put by Professor Ian Gillespie, that performance was actually punished. That performance resulted in a cut to the reg funding to the University of Dundee. What does the minister have to say to those universities that performed outstandingly, astonishingly, in fact, and have had the resources cut as a result? I think that it is silly to talk about universities being punished. We have a competitive system where institutions put forward their work. It is assessed under the framework and grants are therefore awarded. What this has reflected is that we have seen an overall uplift in terms of the quality. We have said that it is something to be celebrated. I would have thought that Mr Marra would have wanted to join in that celebration. Let me conclude by saying again that I am enormously grateful for all the activity that is undertaken, the length and breadth of the country in our academic institutions. We should be proud of that effort. We should talk at every opportunity about that effort. There is so much work that is going on out there that is to be welcomed. I would encourage all members to get out to their local institution to see some of it for themselves. I can certainly tell you that I make it a core part of my activities to get out there and to celebrate all of Scotland's wonderful research through our academic institutions. Thank you very much indeed, minister. I can assure you and the chamber that I will be attending the UHI graduation ceremony in the coming days. With that, that concludes the debate, and I close this meeting of Parliament.


Hi, everyone. Welcome to the first Jenkins Advocacy and Outreach SIG meeting. Actually, we decided to have a meeting in order to discuss how would we collaborate as a special interest group to discuss ongoing projects and how we will press it later. If you're interested to join this call, you can open our Gitter channel and there is a link to the call. So I'll just screen share and here you may find a link. So if you want, you just follow it and join the call to discuss it. And we also have a public meeting notes. You will be updating them for each meeting. So for example, here's a this meeting and when we have next meeting, you can just propose your topics here and we will make sure to discuss them. So that's the plan. It's pretty similar to all other special interest groups. But yeah, since it's the first meeting, maybe we should do some introductions before we press it. Okay, you have a few people on the call. Liam, would you like to introduce yourself? Sure. My name is Liam Newman. I'm a technical evangelist for Jenkins at working at CloudBees and I'm part of the sort of the organizing group for this SIG to have us start talking about all of the advocacy and outreach efforts in one place so we can coordinate better. Yeah. Thank you. Mark? Yes, my name is Marky Jackson. I am one of the participants of this. I'm also a lead but that doesn't mean a lot just yet. I work for SISTIG as a software engineer. I am also the maintainer of a few different Jenkins plugins and I've been a part of the community for quite a while. Cool. Thank you. And yeah, we have Mr. Jenkins on the call. I assume it's Rick. What do you? I don't know why my picture is Dickinson. Because you were probably on YouTube outside of this in the Jenkins account and now here it transfers but don't worry about it. It's no big deal. Yep. Okay. Hello. I'm Rick. I'm from China. I'm a software engineer. I'm also a Chinese recognition SIG leader. I hope I can bring more people who can involve the Jenkins project. Okay. Thank you. Thank you too. Over the last year, there was a lot of activities around the Chinese Jenkins community. There was WeChat started. There is also a C&J Jenkins IO website and yeah, this community expands a lot. So yeah, thanks a lot to Rick for joining this special interest group. And yeah, just to introduce myself, my name is Alekden Nashev. I'm also a co-founder of this special interest group just to provide some historical information. Actually, we started discussing outreach special interest group and Liam was talking about advocacy special interest group and after several iterations, we actually decided that it might be better to just have one special interest group for everything. So here we are. And yeah, there is a lot of activities in this special interest group and the idea of the first meeting is just to think of how we press it forward and how we collaborate and to set up a framework like regular meetings. So maybe we could switch to the agenda. Okay. Do you see my screen? Yes. Okay. Thank you. So yeah, I put a few items in the agenda and then others also added them. So effectively, we have quite a list for today. Not sure whether we will go through everything, but if not, we will just schedule the next meeting and speaking off. Well, my question to you guys is how often do we want to have meetings and what would be the time frame? Rick, I'm sorry. I muted you. So just unmute yourself. Well, I think that we're in a little bit of a mixed position here because there's at least a few people that should be part of this meeting that are not going to be able to give part that aren't here right now and would need to talk about when the next meeting would be good for that. Yeah. So I believe the next meeting would definitely happen after Fosdom. Actually, when I was scheduling this meeting, I assumed that it's still okay to do it on Thursday, but apparently no. So sorry about that. But yeah, maybe we could schedule another meeting in two weeks and come there. Yeah, I think that would be good. Maybe even schedule one for next week. I don't know. I guess two weeks works. Yeah, I can do next week as well if needed. Okay. So yeah, I'll probably just start a little then. Okay. And yeah, generally the interval of the meetings in six, we usually do two, yeah, in the most of six, we do meetings every month or every two weeks, except JSOC where we have meetings every week now. So here, yeah, I think that meetings every week is generally too much pressure, but maybe two weeks would be a good interval or maybe one month. I think two weeks is about right. A month is a long enough time that we would, a lot of stuff would fall through the cracks. Yeah. Actually, yeah, we could use a time slot for JEP office hours. So Liam drives JEPs. Yeah. And I'm actually going to sort of shut that down or get it or move it into something where it it's more of a community time anyways. So that specific time slot is going to open up. Yeah, I was just thinking about that because here we could be spending some time maybe each call to discuss JEPs. But yeah, I think that's what that's worth doing. If needed. I mean, it's worth, it's worth, this would be the place to discuss those things, right? Yeah. Yeah. And maybe another question is about time zones, because yeah, if we do our advocacy and outreach, and since we're interested in growing communities worldwide, whether it's fine to have a meeting at approximately this time or whether we need, maybe we need to have two meetings and just to have meetings in one time zone and then in another time zone. Maybe a shorter meeting and alternate every week. So we basically have a meeting every week, but it alternates back and forth, right? Yeah. Something like that. Something we started experimenting with in the Kubernetes community is also having a sort of like an APAC time for meetings. We actually started that last night when we had one. I'm in the Pacific time zone, so we added it at eight o'clock at night. That doesn't probably work for everybody, but it's something we can experiment with. Yeah. Yeah, I would definitely vote for that. And what would be your opinion, Rick? I hope we could have a switching time, though. Yeah. So I think that we can just agree to that we do something like that. And yeah, then we should start to separate the doodles. So that, yeah, we agree on the time slots for each meeting separately. And then, yeah, maybe just keep doing two meetings. So it would be something like US, Europe, and APAC, Europe, late US. Something like that, right? Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah. So Liam usually participates in configuration as code meetings. Yeah. So yeah, I would just think that it could be an option part. So yeah, I'll just create the doodles then. Yeah. Okay. The next topic is about staff and community advocacy outreach interaction. So since we don't have a trace on the call, maybe we should postpone it. Yeah, I think so. And I think it's worth having her as part of that discussion, definitely. Yeah. There was, yeah, actually the discussion already started in the chat, so we can just continue in a synchronous mode. And by the next meeting, once we have questions, we just discuss that. Okay. So yeah, we postpone that. Okay. Yeah, actually we have a bunch of items there. So speaking of JSOC, yeah, I'll just do a quick update because not everybody on the call actually participates in JSOC meetings. So we are rolling towards the application phase. The deadline for applications is February 6th, so it's next week. But actually we applied two weeks ago, so everything is in place. We have all the documentation. We have all the applications. And yeah, we continuously improve our framework. So the site was completely at work according to the feedback from this year. And the application also addressed a lot of the feedback you have. And the results of the JSOC Mentor Summit. So it seems to be good. And it especially looks to be good in terms of project ideas. So last time I counted it was 24 project ideas and 27 mentors. And it's counting. Yeah. So it's bigger than 2006 and 2018 JSOCs all together. And yeah, actually I have some ideas about this particular special interest group. So yeah, definitely we are ready to apply. There is a lot of special interest groups involved. We have projects for platform seek, for cloud native seek, there are also remoteing projects. There is pipeline authoring projects, for example, pipeline documentation generator, et cetera. And yeah, some projects which are not currently mapped to special interest groups. But we will be, we will try to map every project just to have mastic holders for each project. And speaking of advocacy and outreach, one of the topics I actually wanted to propose to think about. Yeah, I was thinking about a platform for online hackathons. So last year we had a number of online hackathons and they went pretty well in terms of experience. And actually I would be interested to have a kind of platform which would allow to do it easily and which would allow to get information easily. So there is, there are some platforms like open source challenge. Yeah, something like that. So it's just an open source platform which allows managing various hackathons. And effectively for every day, you have just an opportunity to submit the statuses. It's in German, but yeah, generally in whatever language. So probably we could have something like that for Jenkins online hackathons. And today I have a meeting with actually some authors of this platform. And I'll give a try to convince them and maybe we could have a joint JSOC project idea. So my question to you guys is whether it would be interesting to you or whether you would like to try something else. So you're putting this under, you're bringing this under the topic of the GSSE, right? Yeah, right. So my idea is to just have JSOC project idea for that. Because currently we definitely have a lot of projects for Java. But there is some interest to have exotic platforms. Well, exotic in terms of Jenkins ecosystem to attract more students. For example, we were looking for Python projects and we were successful. There is one Python project being published now, same for cshark.net. There is project and yeah, we could have some more for Perl, for Ruby, whatever, so that we can attract people from other sites of communities who do not write Java. So that's what was my idea, actually. Yeah, what I forgot to do is I forgot to do that. So my apologies about that. Okay. Yeah, so I'll just give all of your permissions so that you can just edit this document. Ah, right, okay. Yeah, sorry about that. So yeah, I just think that it could be a good project idea, especially if I'm able to recruit mentors. But let's see. And if anybody else has other ideas, what could be done as a part of this special interest group and what could be helpful to us who outreach to other people, it may be definitely helpful. And of course, we could do a lot of things around Jenkins IO. But Jenkins IO is quite challenging because we need to find a coding project there. So yeah, if you have any ideas, just let me know. I will be happy to add something there to the scope and I will be happy to help with writing our project idea drafts. Jenkins IO is actually anything else. So if you have any tool in mind, for example, for community analytics, which could be helpful for us as a special interest group and for us at the project, we could actually consider doing that. So for example, I'm not sure if you guys went to Grimoire conference. But yeah, there are usually a lot of talks about community metrics there. And the community metrics for Jenkins would be also interesting. Okay. Okay. And I'll probably go quickly. If there is no questions about JSOC, I'll probably press it. Okay. Is there too much background noise from me? It's a little distracting, but I think it's okay. Okay, sorry about that. I believe for this is the only power plug within the walking distance. That's okay. Just fine. Thank you for asking. Okay. Yeah. So what I wanted to talk about contact links. So one of my mini projects I was doing mostly for JSOC as well is to actually introduce metadata for sub projects and special interest groups, like contacts, etc. So on the right side, you may see ConnectLink. And actually, this ConnectLink is being generated from the metadata. So yeah, for each page on Jenkins IO, I tried to have contacts so that whomever visits this page, they may just go to the channel and ask something if they want. And they may be mailing lists if they are specified. Actually, I would like to expand that, for example, in documentation so that when we have use cases, when we have, for example, pipeline documentation, we clear the specified channels which can be used in order to reach out about this particular topic. So I think it could be a good improvement in order to improve visibility of our channel's special interest groups. And actually, one of the things on the top of that and that implemented inheritance. So for example, if you go to a project, let's take this one, Jenkins Remote Monitoring. Here, you may see that there is a link to the GitterChat and there is a link to the mailing list. But actually, these links are not hard coded in the page. So if you open improve this page button, here you may see that actually it's just metadata. So here it's Project Remoting and it takes everything from there. So currently, this engine is supported for project pages and for simple pages. But we could be expanding it to other documentation pages if anybody is interested because it's mostly written in Hamel so that it can be reused everywhere on the website. Okay. Yeah. So yeah, just a minor change, but I think it deserves some time. So the next topic was about onboarding community maintainers. So the story behind it that Marky reached out to me and asked actually how could he contribute in order to help the project running. So I don't recall the idiom Marky used, but yeah. Actually, the question is what we could do to improve the experience. Yeah. So when I originally brought this up, I think I used chop wood, carry water. Right. And what I meant by that is if we have a process by which people can Oh, like I'm gonna meet you. Yeah. Well, it was also. Okay. Everybody still hear me? Yes. Okay. So what I meant by that is having a process by which we can onboard a people to to in maybe not just in the advocacy and outreach community, but in all the cities across the board. However, when I did bring this up, this was pre CDF talk. So I think maybe two things. One, they should be postponed until Tracy can be available. And two, it maybe needs to be postponed until we really understand what the infrastructure of the CDF is going to look like in terms of governing bodies in the process and procedures. Yeah, I think that's probably fair process by which we do that. I mean, I think the simplest thing, of course, is to say, Hey, join, do some stuff.  But for example, when in the Kubernetes community, which I'm involved in, when you have people come on, you have things like GitHub tags. So we'll say good first issue, right? So helping people to, you know, to really, I want to say less in the learning curve. So but again, I think it's, it's premature to discuss that until we start really forming what what the under the CDF banner is going to look like. Yeah, just to quickly answer this question, actually, we do have new different issues. Our main problem is that some projects use GitHub issues, some projects use Jenkins Jira. But in GitHub projects, there is usually good first issue used in Jira. We have new befriending ticket and it's linked to the from the Jenkins participate page. So yeah, there is a kind of landing page for whomever who wants to contribute. So this page may be far from ideal, but it's a landing page for any kinds of contributions. So for development, there are links. And if you go to write the code, you may see that links to Google Summer of code. But here you may see Jira query for issues, we believe, for a beginner friend. Awesome, awesome. Can you send me the link to that or I'll do I'll search for it. See how user friendly it is. Not the Google Summer of code, but the I pasted it to the meeting notes. And yeah, this page is not ideal. But yeah, if you want to approve it, just go forward to propose a full request. So anything on this website can be managed through both requests. Awesome. Thank you. That was all I have for that topic. Okay, that's good. Anything else about that? Or should we just postpone it until Tracy is available? Yeah, let's let's push that out. Okay, the rest of it. Okay, so let's continue job process. It's also a follow up to Marcus proposal. Actually, I just quick made a quick answer because there is a great presentation by Liam at one. Oh, yeah. It has been presented at one of the Jenkins online meetups. And if I should do it. So, look, you meet yourself for a second again. Yeah. Mark, what was your question? Just how does it work? Not so much how it works in this video was really good, by the way, I did watch that. But when we start to think about like sort of an online entry point for people, this is it would be this video would be something good to to show. Hey, this is how we do the jet process. So what I what I guess if I take it back to the first topic, what I was sort of envisioning is we have a really central document that says as an advocacy and outreach team, here is how you can become involved. And while different SIGs may have different entry points, we can start to sort of link to those entry points. But we're sort of that sort of first face that people see, right? At least that's the way I envision it. That's interesting point. Because in one sense, yes. And in another sense, it's the reverse of that, like the advocacy and outreach, the members of that would be things that people see. But the the group itself is not necessarily the face. I think it's more like the, I think I've thought of it more like the the folks behind the curtain that are like, okay, we're going to do this is the process stuff that we have that needs to happen. Are we these these are the sort of behind the scenes discussions. And the the SIGs are more of the frontline here. You know, if someone's interested in doing a platform work or interested in doing whatever, you know, specific kinds of work, then, you know, pipeline authoring work, then that's the SIGs are more the rest of the SIGs are more what I would expect people to step into first, right, rather than I want to promote Jenkins. But you know, it really isn't like linear. So I agree. I think you could look at it from both. I think you could look at it from both. I also agree with Liam. So for me, of course, our main priority is to improve onboarding experience. So facilitating SIGs, encouraging them to have proper documentation, proper onboarding, and maybe taking a look at this centralized page, just like this participate and contribute organizing events. So that's what we can do. But yeah, maybe we are not exactly the entry point for communication everywhere. We just need to provide these ways and ensure that these ways are actually active and available contributors. I agree with that. And I agree with you also, Liam. But having to put this in the way, I also would say it definitely good to have a landing page in a clear way that we say, okay, here's what kind of sort of a menu like it's sort of like the participate page, but you know, clean that up a little bit more, make it a little bit more streamlined, I don't know exactly how yet, but to kind of make that menu not continue to grow and grow, but more sort of guide a little more guided than the way it is right now. I agree. I agree. And of course, also, you know, at the point with the CDF coming on, the JEP process may need to change and adjust to deal with that aspect too. So we'll see what happens with that. Yeah, a lot of what we're, you know, talking about and planning on will probably change in a certain percentage as that CDF process is formulated. Yeah, so even now there are some obvious changes in coming. For example, the CDF defines a technical steering committee. And the most probably we won't have BDFL or yeah, at least the domain may change. So even when BDFL wasn't reduced, we were discussing that it's temporary until we have a technical steering committee. And if CDF organizes that, maybe it will be the first changes. Okay. Well, it's quite chaotic there. Sorry. No problem. Okay. Any other questions, comments about JEP? None to me. Okay. So let's switch to the agenda from Rick. And yeah, the first topic is what's the duty of the press contact. So just to provide some context, we have a number of press contacts, at least on Jenkins cyber press. So this page, which actually describes what is Jenkins, what is Braindian, etc. And if you scroll long enough, you see that there are all the results, a list of press contacts in different regions. So yeah, there are US press contacts, UCCs, and also China press contacts. So Rick has submitted a request to become a China press contact maybe a few weeks ago. This request was approved at governance meeting and now it's here. So yeah, and the reasonable question about actually the responsibilities. So yeah, I can probably try to explain my understanding since I'm a press contact. Yeah. Again, these contacts, yeah, when we have CDF likely is going to change somehow. Or maybe not. Let's see. Because CDF also implies that there will be outreach board. I do not recall the correct name, but yeah, there will be also a board of people responsible for marketing, etc. And likely they may become press contacts. But now what we do here, we put our email in public. And sometimes there are requests incoming for various comments or for various contributions. Actually, I receive maybe one email per month, maybe even less. So it's not a high traffic. And usually these emails are about helping something to happen in the Jenkins community, usually release of a particular issue, etc. So I have received only a few requests for comments, etc. as a press contact. But I believe Kiki and Tyler actually receive much more of such requests than me. So technically, I'm just in standby mode and I answer whatever Jenkins related communication which lands in my inbox. Yeah, so I'm not sure whether it's a good answer. But yeah. I think it's fine. Sorry, continue. Go ahead. I think it's fine. You mentioned the press contacts, maybe they are changed after the CDF. Yeah, because yeah, so CDF, there is a kind of, maybe you remember the correct name. So there is technical steering committee and another committee which focuses on marketing. There's a marketing committee, yeah. Yeah, marketing committee. So yeah. It's more like a marketing committee. It's hard to say. I believe we still need to get more clarity on the CDF. But yeah, in the future, I believe some bits of that could be addressed by CDF. Yeah, the actual charters probably came out in the next few weeks, I believe. So we'll know more shortly. Yeah, right. But yeah, again, it's not a high traffic. And even if you're not listed on this page, there are so many ways to find your email and people usually start reaching out anyway. So yeah, that's how it happens. And yeah. So the sub question was where can I get the detail of Jenkins User Conference? Could you clarify what it means, Rick? As far as I know, we have a Jenkins User Conference for China, but who has a qualification to host that kind of conference? I can't find any introduction or information about this. Yeah, so how it happens? We have an events officer. It's Alisa Tong. And effectively she would be the entry point for such requests. If you're interested about user conferences, the results are approved trademark usage. And I believe China is listed here. Yeah, so here you may see that there is Jenkins User Conference China. So this approved trademark usage, you may see which company has requested that. And definitely you could reach out to Alisa and just ask for contracts. And I can probably help you so that because I do have contracts. But yeah, maybe it still makes sense to reach out to Alisa. Yeah, so if I want to host a conference, I need to reach out to the event officer. Well, the event officer can just help you this because if you want to organize a conference, most likely you will need stickers, various giveaways. And Alisa is contacting the community for that. So yeah, the government may want to host Jenkins User Conference. Okay, in China, right? Yeah. So one of the ways would be to, so just let's take it as an example. So hosting a conference is definitely not a problem. So the problem is that there is Jenkins User Conference China trademark. And yeah, you can just submit a request in the Jenkins developer client list. And I ask for approval to use this trademark. But in such case, since there is already a company, we should request that. Obviously, we will add the request to CC and we will ask them for the feedback. If they do not find, we will just approve the same name, I guess. And you will be able to use that. And so this is about the naming and about the organization. Any conference is great. Thanks a lot for the interest of your company to do that. And yeah, we will be able to help and Alisa can help a lot with that because she knows speakers. She knows other contacts in China and she will be able to help these delivery of whatever promotion materials. Okay. My another point is through the way to write something down about this. About what? You mean as a JEP? Maybe JEP, maybe other things. So you just guidelines for organizing the Jenkins events? Yes. So actually we have these guidelines for Jenkins area meetups, but not for conferences, I believe. Yes. That's my point. Yeah. So, yeah, we should probably have it written down and it also is. But I think with the conferences, it's not so much of a one size fits all kind of process. There's a lot more variables to deal with. So we can probably outline it, but it's going to be an outline rather than like a really detailed document. Is that fair? Yeah. I think it's right, but we could still have a kind of entry point for that. Yeah. So something like that. Organize your Jenkins conference. Right. Again, it may somehow interact with CDF because since CDF is a part of Linux Foundation and Linux Foundation organizes conferences worldwide, maybe there will be some overlap. But yeah, I don't expect that CDF takes monopoly to organize conferences. And I believe that we will be still able to organize. Everybody else will be still able to organize conferences. So yeah, I think that we could try writing something. So I'm not sure how to proceed there. We could actually ask Alisa to provide these guidelines or maybe try to writing something on our own. What would be the next steps? I think the next step would definitely be putting, at least making this request on the Jenkins CI dev list. We can ask Alisa, but her time is getting more limited currently. So it might be something where we need to have someone in the community write it up or max or something. Yeah. I mean, there's just hope there's a lot more. Yeah. Yeah. So Rick, would you be able to do that? Me? Yeah. Just to start the discussion. Oh, I can try to do this. Yeah. And this is just write up an email asking the question about, hey, can we get some documentation? Can I get some help and can we get some documentation? Yes, I got it. Just start the discussion in the DV mailing list. Yep. That's right. Thank you. And yeah, the government, the last item, he is who and when we'll handle the ambassador applications. So generally ambassador program is sponsored. So there is a job for that. And the sponsor? Yeah, I found the, but I can't find my answer. Yeah. So yeah, this is also something that needs to be discussed in the context of CDF. So the job exists, which, and it obviously needs some detail, but I don't know that we want to, there's within the next month, we should get at least more of a sense of what's going on here. Yeah. So technically, we can say that ambassador applications are on hold right now until we have clarity. Yeah. The question is, once we join the CDF, we still have do you consider ambassador or CDF ambassador? That's the question that needs to be answered exactly. Yeah. We don't know. The short answer is we honestly don't know. Yeah, right. So I can just provide someone said that since I'm a Jenkins ambassador, yeah, actually, yeah, there are some events happening in this area, but not that many. So my idea was actually to invite all ambassadors to advocacy and outreach seek just to have an opportunity to discuss, to have a venue for discussions today. So maybe you can partially make it open even if you're not officially an ambassador. At least that's my idea for now. And then we, if ambassador program is cancelled, okay, we still have a special interest group. If it's replaced by CDF, then you will find a way to transition. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay. So it was the last topic in the agenda. Would you like to discuss anything else? Well, I mean, I think we've covered our time slot, right? Yeah, I scheduled 45 minutes time slot, but usually schedule and keep in mind that it may be extended if needed. Okay. Yeah, but yeah, 45 minutes is the time slot scheduled. Cool. Yeah. So we have several action items. And yeah, I'll start a doodle in order to schedule next meetings. So let's try to do the next meeting, maybe in one or two weeks in the park time zone and then one week after in the US time zone. Well, yeah, probably the naming is not correct, but yeah. Yeah. Do you understand what I mean? Yeah. Okay, then that's cool. And thanks to everybody for participating. Yeah, we have a lot of topics to discuss. And we still need to just set up a framework of the special interest group. But it's great that we finally have it because yeah, we have a venue for such discussions. Indeed. Actually, thank you very much. Yeah, thank you all. Okay, thank you. Thank you, everybody. Yeah, thank you. Bye.


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Hi guys and welcome back to my life's video today I wanted to answer the question of do nurses get lunch breaks because this is actually quite a common question I think it's really an awesome subject to discuss because I Asked this on my Instagram How many of you guys like actually take your lunches and like what's the reason that you don't take your lunch if you Don't get one and I had a very overwhelming response. So I thought I'd talk a little bit about my experience with this so I think that all nurses should get lunch breaks every shift. You should get a lunch break every shift But that doesn't always happen. So to answer the question do nurses get lunches? Yes, they do But there are many situations where I have not gotten a lunch or I personally chosen not to take a real lunch So I'll kind of talk a little bit about that. So That's what I worked meant surge. I took a lunch every single shift I don't think I had one shift where I didn't get to at least go back and eat something Because that was just the type of job. I had we had good coverage for our You know letting one nurse go take a quick break and you know another nurse would cover you and it worked out I don't think I missed a lunch break. Maybe once I don't know but obviously wasn't significant enough for me to remember But now that I work I see you my kind of opinion on lunches have really changed. So I Still think that nurses should always take a lunch break. You should get that Opportunity and if you don't it's very unfortunate. I've heard a lot of you guys say that you don't get lunch breaks You do to staffing issues high acuity just you don't have the ability to take a lunch break because your Job or work may not see it as a priority now that I work in the ICU. I actually rarely take a lunch I always Get food and we'll eat something but I don't take my like 30 minutes where I sit in the back and get an under an uninterrupted lunch break, which whatever that is And that's just personal choice Now that I take care of really sick patients, you know, my first couple months in the ICU I did take a lunch break and then I had an instance where something happened on my lunch break to one of my patients And it wasn't the nurse's coverings fault. It just happened because You're having one nurse take care for ICU patients for that 30 minutes And you may get stuck in one room for 30 minutes and you can't really be listening out super well And it just happens so it wasn't this nurse's fault the patient ended up being fine But it really like I just got to this point where I was like, you know what I Can just sit at my desk and eat lunch as long as I eat I'm fine And I know a lot of you guys are gonna be like you're crazy and you take a lunch break You're gonna get burnt out yada yada It's just my personal choice many many nurses in the ICU do this because they have had similar situations where things have happened to their patients when they left the unit or gone on lunch, so I do occasionally will take like a full 30 minute lunch break where I sit in the back if I if my patients are like Super stable or maybe they're walkie-talkies or maybe I just have one So it's not so difficult for the nurse next to me to watch them but it really depends like on What's going on on the unit if four patients are coding at one time? I'm not gonna go take my lunch break That's it's silly with that being said, you know I really do think that nurses should get lunches and it would be nice if they're always uninterrupted lunch breaks, but There's just something in us that like, you know, if you're on your lunch and a doctor is there and you need to ask them questions You've been waiting. I'll shift to talk to them about these questions then and you're on your lunch You're still gonna go out and talk to them because you Want to get those questions answered for your patients That's just something in us that like we're just we're advocates for our patients. We care. We want to you know Get our answers and we don't want to have to call a doctor back, you know, 30 minutes later when they were just there so That's just kind of a culture, but if you think about it, you know, there's many jobs that your lunch breaks aren't, you know fully You know uninterrupted teachers you know Other healthcare providers if you're like working in an office if you're a business person like there's many times where your lunches aren't Fully uninterrupted and it's just kind of the culture in part of being a nurse and if you're one that wants your 30-minute lunch break every single shift then You may be able to get it and you may have to be flexible if there's a day where you just can't because you're you're busy and I Feel like this video is very rambly, so I'm sorry But let me know in the comments below kind of your opinions on this topic to sum it up I think every nurse should get a lunch absolutely hands down if you know There's someone else needs to cover you your manager needs to step in whatever needs to happen has to happen But for me personally I there's instances where I just I don't because I have a patient or two that are just too Sick and it's not safe to leave them because I know someone is not going to be able to Watch them and for me. It's like I'd rather leave on time than stay 30 minutes later Because I had to take a 30-minute lunch break That's just me personally, but let me know your thoughts and What you've seen where you're at and what works for you or what doesn't work for you and why you get a lunch And why you don't get a lunch and all those things so thanks for watching this video. I'll see you guys in my next one Bye


oh my god this is so far past what i was expecting i mean this seriously if it wasn't for the inspiration to even like learn about video or how to do it like i would have been able to pay for any of my bad stuff today we're building a computer for the greatest youtuber of all time raise your hand if youtube was a big part of your life growing up i'm not kidding put a little o in a forward slash if youtube or the people on it have influenced your life in any way if they have let me know how i would love to read about it there were a few iconic videos that made youtube what it is today but one of the most popular ones was how to be ninja this video was the beginning of a very long and successful youtube career for ryan hega he was the most subscribed youtube channel for 677 days straight and on a more personal level if you don't know who ryan hega is you live under a rock this man basically pioneered being a youtuber all i'm saying is that youtube better be paying this man a pension because without him youtube would not be what it is today aside from that he was a huge part of my childhood and i imagine for many of you as well so anyways as you guys know i stream fairly regularly on twitch which is actually how i got to meet paco who is in a lot of ryan's videos a while back paco reached out to me on twitter asking are you interested in making a gaming computer for ryan hega for content i said yes immediately ryan is the entire reason i even got into video production i begged someone who i didn't even know well at the time to teach me how to edit videos so that i could make videos like him no literally like him everybody was listen back then parodies were a huge thing on youtube and you could guarantee view so a week went by and i didn't hear back from paco and then i got recommended a stream on twitch that looked really familiar ryan was streaming on twitch i was shocked when i clicked on it because he was only streaming to a couple hundred people but i later found out that's because he wanted to keep his streams low key that's really not the case anymore because now thousands of people tune into his live streams i noticed he was having some issues on stream with his computer so i shot him a dm and what about christopher by the way like did i reply to you i saw you send me something yesterday give me a sec i'm freaking that's i appreciate it man dude hundred percent you can make a video dude like you don't even have to ask bro so since i would have never gone down this path or considered making youtube job let's make this man the best pc i've ever made so i say we're gonna build him a computer but the problem is i can't order many parts unfortunately with the issues that are still happening here in the united states it is impossible to find anything that is computer part related fortunately microcenter is still persisting through these conditions so i just have to make a quick short four and a half hour drive down to la and then i'll be right back okay so we are finally here at the microcenter and we can't get in well we can't get in right now the way they're doing things is first of all you need to make an appointment so if you show up and you don't have a mask you'll be turned away immediately but after you talk to the person at the front you give you a time limit and then they eventually will let you inside the store when enough people leave i'm so sorry oh that works too yeah um yeah no i'll say i'll take it if i mean if there is another one of that if there's another one of that uh yeah we'll just i'll just take that one then okay so now that we have the parts the important thing we have to worry about now is the art now i actually take the art very seriously the reason for that is these bills are supposed to encapsulate who the content creator is and it's supposed to be something that they can look at and be proud of i know it might seem intuitive to just try and find the most popular videos that the creator has ever made and then just slap that on as the art here's the thing though being one myself i understand that not every content creator loves the thing that they are most known for for example if you actually watch some of ryan's videos and you know a little bit about his history then you would understand that one of the things that he is not necessarily a fan of as well as myself is how youtube changed when it became more corporate back when google about youtube they introduced a few new things one the ability to make money with advertisements from other companies two enforcing copyright law and number three the downfall of musicians and skit based humor on youtube now i have and always will think that the way youtube is now is very unfair for certain types of creators the system does not pay very well to their type of content so what i'm making sure to do with all of this art is to try and reference videos that came from a more friendly time on youtube so if we go to his channel what i want to do kind of like what we talked about earlier in the video is showcase some of the older videos like how to be ninja how to be emo how to be gangster all the older videos that you know didn't have to have fortnight or anyways this is what i'm thinking if we go to each of the videos there is a screen grab for every moment that i think is iconic that helps reference the video in a way that people just really understand oh we're not we're not using this one but then lastly for the back plate i want to try and incorporate something that is very epic i like to have the largest piece of art to be something that is very very cool looking you haven't even seen the best part wait just more than oh my god so since we know that ryan is a huge fan of naruto anyone that pays attention to any of his videos in the past knows this i want to try and reference one of the most iconic moves from the naruto series which is the resen gone in the same way that ryan portrays it himself in one of his own videos in the how to be ninja 2.0 remake it is a very similar scene to naruto charging at sasuke in naruto shippuden to the way ryan is charging at shonfujiyoshi in this screen grab so with that said we are going to send all of these references over to sasha which if you don't know by now that is the name of the artist that i like to use for these panels she is an amazing artist you can catch her at twitch.tv slash sirtsay please check her out she is phenomenal and then obviously without v1 tech to laser print laser cut and rg be out the entire thing it would not be possible please if you like any of the art that you're going to see in this computer go to v1tech.com they always have a sale i have a code it's yee i don't get any money for it it literally just gives you a discount not sponsored i really just like the products i buy them for myself and for friends please just check it out they're amazing for the processor we are using a ryzen 9 3900x this processor is the same processor that i use now when it comes to rendering out videos which i'm pretty sure ryan is going to do at some point if not for his own youtube channel for some other projects and it is really really nice when it comes to rendering processor go for the motherboard we are putting it inside an x570 what is which board is this i actually don't even know what board i got this is an meg from msi oh this big way work okay it's got individual bulbs for the leds it's not diffused which is the same reason why i got this specific ram for the ram we're using 32 gigabytes each of them 8 gigabyte sticks so they fill up all of the dim slots of course their dominator has an individual led rgb look i like it a lot i think it looks really clean and as you're starting to see a lot of these parts are black because ryan's color scheme is black white and green i've never seen a color scheme like that in my life maybe in video kind of for storage we have an 860 qvo by samsung for the graphics card we're using an rtx 2080 super for the cooler we have a kraken z 73 i loved the kraken z series so far because obviously like i've said before there is an led screen on the mount of the pump i think it looks dope and if you've seen it before the reason i like this is because it can have gifts on it it sounds super stupid and super trivial but there is nothing more fun than putting on a moving logo a meme or whatever the hell that you want to put on top of this and i have an idea of what i want to put on this when the build is done for all the extra stuff we have a lot of nzxt rgb lighting we have nzxt q2s we're going to see how many of these we can fit inside the system we have a bunch of air rgb twos because we want to get as many rgb fans as we can possibly get inside this thing for the case it's not obvious at this point we're using an nzxt h710 i it's just a really easy case to mount some more art onto which you'll see here in a second for the power supply we're actually using a power supply from nzxt we're using the c850 on it is a gold or 80 plus gold certified power supply we're gonna try it out for the first time and see what it feels like it's got a really simple clean design i like it so we're going to give it a shot today is what is a semi modular fully modular oh it's fully modular okay dope you guys ready to see the art first thing we're gonna take a look at we have the gpu backplate for the rtx 2080 super for the ssd covers we have specific references and each of these are screen grabs from the videos this one should be obvious this one's how to be gangster we have ryan from how to be emo some of the best eyeliner i've ever seen and this screen grab is specifically from where we will be teaching you how to be so the reason we actually get this printed out this gpu support bracket is so that we can help counteract that sag because i think something that looks really gross and a lot of high end builds is when you get this giant graphics card this powerful system but then you have it hanging off to the side like pants in 2008 last but not oh this looks so clean we're gonna play some music now and we're gonna get started here for a minute gotta head out i swear i'm not spying sure this guy's trying to see what his computer looks like before it's even done how do you want to do this why here let's see oh do you have i guess we need a knife huh i guess we need a knife okay how much did you see what's up man how much did you see i didn't see anything other than the boxes on the table all right yeah we just need a knife okay and then we can take a look whoa wait wait what i might need help i might need some help wait let's see you pull that out oh my goodness what the heck hold on hold on hold on you got it i think so dude that doesn't look like a computer what it's not supposed to it's not like the regular stuff what the hell check it out okay that is sick what we have back here so oh my goodness do you do you know what this is from this from hot the remake of potterby ninja yeah yeah this is the one thing i did see that's sick the artist i like to work with my name is uh sirte say uh sasha and she helps me with a lot of the art and a lot of things that we like to do is we try to tell a story with all the art that we get that inside and take a look at the inside oh my goodness so this is so nice so we have three ssd covers all with different screen grabs from videos that i feel like meant the most to the two of us be it sasha and hopefully that kind of oh i attribute to the history of you youtube potterby ninja of potterby gangster and emo uh i don't know what this one is this one's uh screen grabbed from the moment actually put on sleeves we were trying to take the sleeves out from the potterby ninja i think it's specific oh it's what i've been teaching you so my goodness first thing obviously to notice uh we noticed you actually have a very unique color scheme that you have white black and green so we try to incorporate all of those colors so each of the cables here are custom sleeved paracord cables um you have the 24 pin the seven uh pins for the graphics card the eight pins up here for the uh for the processor and every single bit in here we try to make red white or sorry green white and black i see that's sick so if you take a look closer at the graphics card we try to even get some more references in here well yeah a little fruit ninja no ptsd but that's freaking awesome green ball yeah and this one specifically we try to get the watermelon clean cut open we have a little shout here to the hidden leaf village and then one more thing we wanted to add is kind of a wing towards the future so we know obviously that you've been streaming a little bit more twitching that you're definitely a gamer after seeing some of the value play so we wanted to get some black and green gamer headsets in there just to kind of incorporate you know looking at what you're doing now and trying to keep it this is so sick i was like i was like how am i gonna i mean like i was trying to think like okay maybe i should learn computer parts to react so i was like how am i gonna react but this is not like it's like art yeah that's the so that's one of the things i like to do like for these builds i want whoever is going to be using them to look at it and be like that's me like that's that that's what i did that's like an encapsulation of who i am and that's why like what we wanted to do here is try to get some of the older stuff incorporated here at the front and on the back we tried to like bring it up to some of the well maybe not newer but some of the new stuff but you haven't even seen it with the best part okay sorry oh my god that's so sick holy crap so a lot of this art oh my god is addressable rgb so these colors can be changed so let's say you wanted to green it out you want to write that you want to black it out all of that's possible this is so dope and if we wait here just a little bit longer we should be able to see the display for the temperature change to something different yeah there we go how did you so you had to make that yeah so i want to try to incorporate like a little bit more of the holy crap this has to go i have to make it i have to find a way to put it on stream however you want to do it oh and like let's so i know that you and i both deal with you wonderful experience that is cox communication oh my god so this i went for this motherboard specifically because let's say you're in a game and it cuts out so if you want to you can screw this little antenna into the motherboard for wi-fi what i do when cox cuts out but i'm going to be cox there no so i get i pull out my phone i turn on the hot spot and i'm like wow finish this game wow so if you ever want to that is so cool as far as you know the computer goes i mean i talked about this on your cooler board this is so crazy um i i literally would not have this job if it wasn't for i mean i know you probably get this all the time but like if it wasn't for you just like putting up videos i i remember my friend was learning how to premiere pro when i was like 13 and i begged him i was like please teach me i want to do that stuff so i tried to do the whole you know be funny thing i couldn't do it it could work out and then eventually like 10 years later when um when my dad got sick i had to quit my job and my parents didn't like see me not do anything so i was just like oh i'd be i could make videos again and like see how that goes and then randomly when i got interested in tech i saw a video get like a thousand views instead of like 50 so yeah oh i do this and then it kind of reinvigorated the fire to do this whole youtube thing and and i mean this seriously if it wasn't for the inspiration to even like learn about video or how to do it like i would have been able to pay for any of my dad's stuff like i would like my family would have been screwed so i that's crazy so as much as i appreciate you do you think the hundred subs i wanted no okay that wasn't a gift for me to you well i thank you so much man for i appreciate you this this is i mean this is so far past what i was expecting oh my god and it is i probably should have left this i'm gonna get so we're tired best to keep this clean anyways that is the video i didn't realize ryan was an absolute sweetheart that guy was so cool but um i hope you guys found the video creative entertaining or informative in any way shape or form this is my favorite pc i've gotten to build so far anyways as always have a great day


I'm somewhere in the middle Try to find myself again But life is one big riddle All the future and what's been Guess it's the way it goes and I will never know why you let me go Look to the left look to the right nothing to stop me in the next stop And trying to remain strong. I know it's good if I'm a lot It looks like acting fiction in a book Guess it's the way it goes and I will never know The TV shows the capture layers to waste I think I'll let it be


hey survivors in this video I am going to be telling you how to get revenge on the narcissist please like comment share and subscribe click the bell icon to receive notifications for my future videos if you would like to donate my paypal links in the video description if you are interested in one-on-one coaching you can email me at nagsforthekoaching at gmail.com how to get revenge on the narcissist if you want to get revenge on the narcissist you need to identify their insecurities weaknesses and vulnerabilities you need to identify their uncertainties or what makes them lack confidence you should then reframe the situation and find ways to provoke manipulate and gas like the narcissist you should find whatever it is that they are insecure about and then provoke them by provoking them you will then reveal their true colors you will reveal who they really are rather than what they portray themselves to be it will cause a narcissist injury and they will act out in ways that you haven't seen before be cautious as they may do things that are harmful or unfearable to you when a narcissist engages in acts of sabotage competition or projection it suggests that you have caused a narcissist injury by engaging in this form of revenge you will definitely hurt them but you will also be putting yourself at risk when the narcissist is triggered to self reflect they will often lash out or do something to hurt you the difference with the narcissist is that there is no cut off point for the amount of pain that they can inflict on someone once you have hurt them once they will desire to take revenge from that one incident and it will just go on and on no amount of your pain and suffering could ever be enough for the narcissist because no matter how much damage they have caused to you or your life in their minds theirs is always worse no matter what they do to you they will never be able to make you feel as miserable as they do that's why when the narcissist experiences a narcissist injury there is no cut off point for the abuse they never give up trying to make you feel the way that they do they don't self reflect or look within so they never resolve the pain or suffering that they are experiencing they spend their lives taking it out on other people using them to boost their self-esteem and regulate their emotions if you do decide to target the narcissist insecurities weaknesses or vulnerabilities it will cause a narcissist injury you will get revenge on them but be very cautious you never know what they will do to you if you prefer a safer option of getting revenge on the narcissist you should identify what the narcissist needs from you the narcissist is dependent on your attention and your admiration of them they need you to validate their existence and make them feel as though they are something of value or significance if you want to get revenge on the narcissist you can take away the attention and admiration that you would normally give to them they may be dependent on your financial resources material items or sex if you want to get revenge on them take those things away you are essentially treating them like a child but this is the only thing that narcissists respond to they are self-absorbed and lack empathy so all they really care about is their own needs if you stop giving them what they need you will be taken revenge on the narcissist another thing the narcissist needs is for you to be dependent on them your dependency on them makes them feel as though they are some something of value or significance it makes them feel as though they have something to give narcissists have to feel as though they have something to validate their existence they have to feel as though they have something that you would want otherwise they would feel completely worthless and insignificant they are dependent on your expectation of something from them this makes them feel as though they are something of value or significance if you want to get revenge on them stop expecting anything from them it takes their power away it makes them feel powerless and as though they have no control over the situation stop relying on them to give anything to you or do something for you their self-esteem and their emotional state is dependent on your reliance of them when you are relying on them or expecting something from them you are giving your power away you are giving them the ability to control you the narcissist is dependent on these types of situations to function they have to feel as though people are relying on them or expecting something from them to validate their existence and make them feel as though they are something of value or significance when you take all of that away and start depending on yourself the narcissist feels invalidated as though you don't need anything from them withhold your time and attention from the narcissist stop relying on them stop expecting something from them stop depending on them that is how you get revenge on the narcissist recognize that you were more of a benefit to them than they ever were to you they needed you more than you needed them and it should be no surprise that they needed you you have so much to give give it to someone who will respect what you have to offer give it to someone who will appreciate it give it to yourself and use it to better yourself and improve your life start working on yourself exercise eat a clean healthy diet do the things that you love to do focus on your own happiness rather than catering to the narcissist demands if there is one thing the narcissist hates to see it's your happiness especially when it is coming from something outside of them when you are happy enjoying your life and not even thinking about them that is the ultimate revenge on the narcissist the last thing they want to see is a source living their lives out having a good time they do everything they can to prevent that from happening whatever they are trying to prevent do it and that will be the ultimate revenge on the narcissist thank you for watching i hope this video resonated with you please like comment share and subscribe click the bell icon to receive notifications for my future videos if you would like to donate my paypal links in the video description coaching inquiries you can email me at nagsfevercoaching at gmail.com we have a private Reddit community where survivors and frivers can share their experiences and knowledge if you are interested in being a part of this community you can sign up for our patreon page the link is in the video description check out the nagsfever merchandise store where you can purchase your own nagsfever t-shirt or mug we have a variety of designs and it is a great way to support the channel the link to our nagsfever merchandise store is in the video description thank you for watching and i will talk to you soon