Hello and welcome to week 6 of the AFCB TV preview show. Once again I'm joined by our matchday commentator Chris Temple and it's been a busy week here at Vitality Stadium. Coming up on this week's show, we look back at last weekend's 40 win over Leicester City. We'll also discuss the under 21s Hampshire Senior Cup victory on Tuesday night. And finally we'll be previewing the weekend's game against Burnley as well as next week's game against Blackburn Rovers. But first there's just one place to start and that's with last weekend's 40 win over Leicester City. Let's take a look at the short highlights. And Ryan Fraser on the score sheet again for Bournemouth. The Cherries won, Leicester nil. We'll talk about counter-attacking football and Leicester and how they do it. That is how to counter attack. From the keeper, into Gosling, Seth Kingey on his way. Fantastic switch looked past. Fraser's still had plenty to do.  In this first half, not having shooting boots on though as Bournemouth come forward. Callum Wilson forward to Ryan Fraser. Driving in on goal. Ryan Fraser doubles Bournemouth lead. Again it's brilliant play from the Cherries. From back to front they turn Leicester around and again it's the wee man who provides the finish. Just under 10 minutes until half time. It's Bournemouth 2, Leicester nil. Well they've only gone and done it again. Started from the keeper out to the centre-half out to the left back. Fraser does get on the ball. He's still got plenty to do. But I think he just rolls it through Schmeichel's legs. How cheeky is that? Who have been best at that so far? King to the byline for the Cherries. Cross is charged down by Ndeede. Back to King. Penalty to Bournemouth. Joshua King sends Cash for Schmeichel the wrong way. Bournemouth lying at the vitality stadium. 41 minutes gone. Bournemouth 3, Leicester nil. An excellent penalty. We needed him to keep his head almost to the byline. One step over now to the byline. Left foot across. Back towards Adam Smith who side-footed past Cash for Schmeichel. Ryan Fraser from goal scorer to provider for the Cherries. And a beautiful finish with the in-step from Adam Smith. The ruthless stuff at the vitality stadium. It is Bournemouth 4, 10 man Leicester nil. Well that's down to this fantastic passability all the way down the left side to cut the ball back. It was perfectly there. Fraser again. Chopstick back. Come back to that at the moment. Here's Ricciardo for Leicester. Edge of the box. Good defending from Diego Rico at the first attempt. Then brings down Ricciardo at the second. Penalty says referee Craig Pausen. Again in front of the south stand. No. Sends Begavits the wrong way. Does Madison. There's a consolation for Leicester at the end of this game. It's Bournemouth 4, Leicester 1. Cross in towards Albrighton. Heads it past. Asmeer Begavits. Leicester have a second. We've got a minute of normal time plus any stoppage time to go. Surely the comeback's not on for the Foxes. It's Bournemouth 4, Leicester 2. The Cherries team to come. And there is the full-time whistle. It's another win for Bournemouth. A fourth of the season in the Premier League. It's been a great start to the new campaign. Four, two winners over Leicester. Well there we go. A brace from Ryan Fraser helped the Cherries to a 4-2 win over Leicester City. You can watch the full 90 minutes on AFCB TV for free. Well Chris, a really encouraging performance here at home last week. What a game. I mean what a performance. I have to say I wasn't here as I said on the the preview show last week. I unfortunately missed the game. But when I looked at the score at whatever half an hour in and it was 3-0. I obviously kill. Once again I've managed to miss a cracker. But just watching the full 90 highlights over the course of the last few days. Yeah I mean just what a ruthless performance. I mean for a team that are packed with international quality. You know everyone talks about Harry Maguire as one of England's most sort of standout players in recent times. And one of the emerging sort of stars of the World Cup if you like. I mean he was made to look absolutely bang average. I mean they absolutely ran rings around Maguire. Wes Morgan. We've spoken about Ryan Fraser and his confidence so many times. But I mean he was almost unplayable. Knowing what he's like you know he'll be slightly frustrated at the two goals that went in at the end which took a bit of a 1% of the gloss off the score line. But no to dispatch a team like Leicester the way they did. It just shows what a confident team that he's got out there at the moment. And of course before the game we talked about five draws out of six previously in the Premier League between the two sides and last week there was only one winner. Yeah you could have been forgiven for thinking it was two completely different teams from those two that had contested all those previous games. You know I'm not sure Leicester knew what hit them. It was a bit of a whirlwind as far as their concern. But you know it just shows you when everything clicks Bournemouth have got some some frighteningly good players. Attacking wise we talk about the counter attacks and the pace and the power they've got all around that attacking sort of four or five really. And they're all contributing. That's the key as well. Colin Wilson you know he scored in the first couple of games. He's been contributing assists since then. The We-Man has been contributing assists and goals. You know it matches the day spotlighting him now talking about how far up the rankings he is in every single asset of his game. So yeah the minute it's the attacking the attacking sort of quartet if you like is is really firing. And obviously that's got to be backed up at the other end as well by by something yeah there was a couple of moments Leicester had early on when maybe when the game was 0-0 which if they'd have gone in could have been a different afternoon but got to take your chances Bournemouth did. Leicester didn't. And of course how much confidence will that give to the side now going into this weekend? I think it just adds to the confidence they've built up I think you know yes Chelsea of course away was disappointing but that was maybe to be expected given how Chelsea had started but I think now because those Bournemouth and Leicester we talked about as being two teams very comparable on paper possibly with the same sort of aspirations as to where they want to finish in the table. So for Bournemouth to come out so so clearly on top of that just shows you the the level of belief that in the team at the moment and I just think the players that Bournemouth have got they're just 10% least better players when they're confident. I think any player is probably but certainly you know without wishing to feel like a stuck record Ryan Fraser when he's believing in himself when he's got a smile on his face as I think the players in the dressing room will tell you when he's when he's sort of as a happy character that's when his best football comes out and he at the moment is yeah catching eyes all over the league. Well before we go any further let's take a little look at last week's tunnel camp when Leicester City players were about to emerge for the second half. Well there we go Leicester City players at half time last weekend. Chris some interesting comments what did you make of them? I think it's a fascinating feature the tunnel camp you look at it every week and you know often it's players standing in a line and you pick up one or two things but in situations like that that's a real insight into and the fact they managed to talk about it without losing any foul language as well was pretty pretty surprising but yeah it just shows you the fact that their belief that how you know how we three kneel down here but it was down to ruthlessness you heard them say it there they've been ruthless and it simply was you know something that can be leveled against Bournemouth in the past they haven't been ruthless enough they've had chances the final third the final ball shooting from the wrong positions wasting good opportunities but the minute that that cutting edge is firing I'd love to see I'd love to see Callum get a goal because strikers are judged on goals so I'd love to see him get almost get back to scoring way it's only been three games since he scored but for what he's contributing to the team I know that the strikers are often judged by the goals column so I'd love to see him get a goal this weekend as a reward for that but yeah fascinating fascinating to see the Leicester players sort of rubbing their eyes going what's happening here and one player that scored a brace last weekend was Ryan Fraser once again another brilliant performance he's the top scorer this season yeah and I'm sure the other strikers are looking to to catch him up I know I spoke to Callum Wilson this week for our player interview and he's saying he's laid on a couple of assists for Ryan Fraser so he's looking for that compliment to be returned but I think you know the good thing about Ryan Fraser is we we see him out on the left which is where he's sort of made the position his own we also see him coming in central you know he's cutting on to that right foot that finish last week inside the far post so he's popping up in central areas as well which is I guess it takes a bit of heat off Callum as the sort of focal point of the attack it gives Bournemouth you know different options Joshua King as well they all interchange up front so it's great to see every player in the sort of attacking line contributing with assists and goals because you can put too much of any of those on one person as soon as they have a bit of a bad trot the service dries up or the goals dry up so the fact they're sort of rotating people like Junior Stanislas back in the fray now as well so yeah it's the contributions of all sorts goals and assists is really encouraging yeah well of course there are four goals last weekend but there are also eight seen here on Tuesday night as the under-21s progressed in the Hampshire senior cup let's take a look at the short highlights modern day fullback athletic Dobre Sanislas combined and Pew surely too it's there easy for the cherry's really good play from Sanislas and Dobre reverse pass up you Sanislas beyond him Sanislas in the area what a finish from junior Stanislas he's back with a bang again it's lovely into play on the edge of the box great ball through a conal drills run into pew gets out of his feet for Dobre surely four nil it is really good finish clinical stuff from the cherries great touch from Mark Pew out of his feet in the area and Dobre did the rest really good low finish they're appealing for offside but it's not given to Sanislas Dobre so back penalty again incisive play and now who's going to take it pew he's given it to Alex Dobre it could be a chance for him to score a hatch rip here at vitality stadium looked a clear penalty from up here tugged back by the defender and Dobre now has a chance for a match ball in the Hampshire senior cup Dobre against flitney Dobre saved by flitney it's a really good save in all fairness got down low to his right Vincent dummies looks a blast one curls one great strike he's pleased with that one it's a really good move the game a bit too much time on the edge of the box and Vincent did the rest colonel beautiful effort in the bottom left hand corner it's a water field in shooting range he's thought about it endurance wide by simpson and o'connell but he smashes one and there's nothing travers can do it's a brilliant strike from the substitute louis waterfield surely nothing more than the consolation we all know about mark pew oh it's in and vinton has a second the cherry's now six and vinton has a brace seamen cuts infield lots of touches of the ball what a pass that is to pew great goal really good pass from trawley seamen deceive the easily back line and mark pew slams one through flitney's legs his second of the night and a fc bormouth have a seventh in this Hampshire senior cup side Dobre infield he can play pew in pew what a touch that is for o'connell he's in on the keeper great finish it's all about that touch from mark pew inch perfect pass for o'connell and he's deserved a goal tonight the cherries are rampant well there we go an eight one win for the under 21s on tuesday nights will then progress in the Hampshire senior cup you can watch the full highlights on a fcb tv for free well chris one player that did feature on tuesday night was of course junior stanislaus his first minutes since march great to see him back yeah gradual process um as for this weekend uh i think it's probably too soon he might well be on the bench but tuesday night's looking like a perfect opportunity i guess a bit like when rico and loma were suddenly available a league cup game came along to help them sort of move forward in there their efforts to get match fit so for junior i think blackbird on tuesday night here is going to be a a perfect chance to get himself back in the fray i mean people forget how long he's been out he's been out a long time you know the best part of what six seven months since march so for him to be now back is i don't think they want to rush him in they don't need to rush him in really the way the team's playing it's not like you're you know you haven't scored a goal it's your main number nine you're trying to rush him back into the team to to provide some goals i think the amount of options they've got out wide you think of people like mark pew who can't get near the 18 at the moment on a match day so we know what junior adds he adds all sorts you know two feet set pieces just the ability to unlock defenses um he's going to be a great asset to have back in the team but yeah i think eddie will be very conscious not to not to rush him because he has had injury problems before we know his his injury history and we've spoken about what a good player an even better player he probably could have been given a run of you know injury-free sort of seasons if you like i think he's had problems in most seasons unfortunately so yeah but brilliant to see him on the score sheet of course um great to see the likes of mark pew and tyrone mings getting some game time as well because again it primarily players it's the hampshire senior carp i mean mark pew hasn't well he has been injured tyrone mings hasn't been injured it's good to see them wanting to get out there and get in some minutes so a shame for i guess a bit of a shame for these uh youngsters that they got a bit of a pasting but from Bournemouth's point of view encouraging and of course some of those players will play on tuesday night again so yep really good really positive night to see junior back yeah and of course with regards to junior adam smith spoke in the week about how pleased he was to see him back in training that's a boost for the squad in itself isn't it yeah of course because it provides another tough challenging training for sure um but i just think when when you've got all your best players fit sometimes injuries can be something to lean on if things aren't going well but at the minute you know when you are on a good run things do all seem to move in the right direction it's the way it goes you know you have a bit of bad luck and suddenly the ball won't go in and it'll hit the post and go away but when everything's firing and everything's going well um you know players come back from injury with a bit of belief already they're coming they know they're coming into a squad that's going to be firing and hard to get in the team so junior will know he's going to have to step his his levels up pretty quickly to get himself in the team because david brooks is another another hurdle in his way if you like this year in terms of new additions to the squad so yeah i think uh the players of course will know what junior can do as well so yeah i think all round it's uh it's massive to have him back particularly at you know this stage of the season where things are going well it's a good chance to get him in when things are going well and of course you mentioned mark pew and tyron mings both getting minutes on tuesday night that's just more confidence for them and hopefully they'll get another chance on tuesday as well yeah it's been it's been a it's going to be a tough season for mark pew i think in terms of um you know the cherries haven't got a huge squad um of of sort of premier league standard players but for mark pew at the moment he's just outside the edge of it isn't he um he had a little bit of an injury setback which won't have helped but league cup opportunities for people like him he didn't play the last round because he was injured unfortunately so maybe he'll get his chance on on tuesday night against blackburn um but of course he's a he's a northwest lad as well so for him uh a burly blackburn doubleheader would have always carried some family interest i'm sure but probably unlikely he'll be involved at burly but blackburn will be a good chance and tyron mings as well i mean knowing what tyron's like he's an intelligent lad he probably thought you know again why wouldn't i take the chance to get some minutes because at the minute apart from the league cup it looks unlikely he's unless something happens and touch wood it doesn't to one of the centre halves um it looks like he's he's going to struggle for minutes at the moment so i think you know good on him for for taking himself out there and easily it sounds stupid but easily they're a decent side you know they're they're a national league side yes they only played probably half a team and they got got pump date but at the same time it wasn't like tyron was going out and playing as the dog and duck who might go with a reckless tackle and and cause him an injury so yeah i think the likes of pure mings um and others you know jack simpson and a couple of others who have been on the on the fringe and probably will struggle for minutes i think all all games are good opportunities yeah well before we look ahead to the weekend's game against burly let's take a look at what nathan ake had to say ahead of the game we're back on the road this weekend nith and we're trip up to turf marty face burly what what do you kind of expect from that game you know it's going to be a tough game traveling up to burly yeah it's always tough um every season when we go that's it's tough last season obviously we ended well um on a two run win but it was it was a tough game we know how they play um obviously that season hasn't really kicked off yet but the place is very tough to go so um we know what we have to do we've been training hard this week and hopefully we can get a result you look at the league table as you say burly have maybe struggled to start this evening as well as they would have liked but regardless of their form you know as you say it's going to be a tough game against burly yeah always always it doesn't matter who you play against if they're in a tough round if they're doing well every game is always hard in the premier league we know that um we've been there ourselves so um yeah they maybe they have even more motivation to to get the first win and um yeah i think it's important to do what we've been doing we've been doing really well start of the season but there's always things to improve um but we go there with high confidence and hopefully we can get the three points well that was nathan ake looking ahead to this weekend's game against burly and chris they haven't had the best start to the season have they i think that's an understatement um yeah i mean they've they have won a couple of games a bit abidine in the european league of course and then istanbul united or one of the lesser the lesser turkish teams in the european league but they failed 11 games this season they've started in july of course which is the i guess one of the downsides of being involved in the european league if there are any uh and at the moment it's fueled to the fire of anybody who suggests that getting into the european league for a team of burly or even for born with size is a bad is a bad move because you haven't got the squad to cope with it and at the moment burly's premier league form is is sort of ringing that true uh they haven't won a game they're stuck to the bottom um i think that the mood up there is that the transfer window was disappointing for them given that they were going to have the extra pressure of europe um and the extra rotation of squads and playing thursday sunday throughout the early stages of the season um so that i mean they signed ben gibson for 15 million from middlesbrough he's just had hernia surgery so when your most expensive signing isn't available that's not a great start mattie vidre they paid 10 million for he probably falls into the category of excellent championship player is he a premier league player he's hardly he hasn't started a game for them yet um only a couple of sub appearances so that's 25 million pounds on on three or four appearances out of those two so far um obviously joe hart in goal it's found it's tough at the minute not many teams would have three england goalkeepers in their squad by the way with heat and nick pope and and joe hart um but yeah they just at the moment the i think the disappointment up there is is is palpable because they had such a good year last year flashing the pans we see lester win the league and then you know it's a bit early to judge burnley after last year but they've had a really poor start they're going to be low on confidence um it looks on paper like it should be a good time to go there and of course now they're out of the europea league they'll really be looking to fish on in the premier league which doesn't make things easy for gauntlet it doesn't and home it's an it's an angry place burnley there's a few grounds around the country there and i would describe as angry places burnley's a pretty angry place they're right on at you if you're at a you're in a way found there that is for sure um but of course the confidence from the the win up there on the last day of last season which it'll be a much different occasion no real pressure on the game some was out for a start it's getting a bit nippy now it's going to be chilly up there this weekend um but yeah it's i think the situation to that game is completely different but burnley have always been a tough you know their home form has been the main stay of their success they've always been not so successful away um so the fact they've you know lost at home in the last game i know it was demand united um obviously they've had a couple of tricky games in there as well but they just haven't got it together and you just hope that if born with can go up there and start like they did against leicester then their fans will be right on to them pretty early on and it's funny how managers drift in and out of fashion isn't it because last year you're talking about shawndyche why hasn't he been considered for a big job um this year it'll be why isn't eddie howl being considered for a big job because the results have sort of turned on their head so um yeah i think tough times at burnley i still think it's a good time to go there and eddie howl said in his pre-match press conference that it's just charlie daniels and kyle taylor that look likely to miss the game but it's great to go up there with a a near fully fit squad yeah uh and again you're talking of changes you know jefferson lomastad to settle in well now diego rico is is impressing at left back which when charlie daniels is fit is going to make it as we've said before tough for him to get back in so yeah for eddie's options at the minute you know we saw brooks as we thought he might come back in last week um it'd be interesting to see what what eddie goes with this time round but uh adam smith obviously you know he's uh celebrated his 100th game and the the recent arrival of his uh his youngster as well with that goal last week so he's another one who's flying with confidence at the moment so not too many reasons to change but nice to have those options available definitely well before we go any further let's take a look at what happened last season as the cherries traveled to turfmore on the final day of the campaign there's a chance to deliver across it comes in towards the oh it's deflected in christmas is going to take it it was westwood with the initial shot and it diverted off chriswood who didn't know much about it completely wrong because he's bigger bitch and burnley have taken the lead and some entertainment at last here at turfmore albeit not in the net who wants it no and again you know burnley has taken the lead and i'll go keep last night i saved him eight because he was nowhere near that one the way he flexed it it just went completely away from him and he's on the floor bow territory still a chance king's on side left side of the penalty shoot for goal and joshua king equalizes for boardman what a goal that was it puts him clear as the cherries top scorer with nine for the season and joshua king pulls boardman back on terms here at turfmore one one well it took jimmy the film to come on and hit the goalkeeper with it he would have fancied him to score with his from the audience first touch but he got his foot we got it away but one fell into kingie let one player go flying high and just curled it into the top corner excellent stuff chastan would it here squeezing the kettle wilson what a moment for him and wilson it's stop it's time at the end of the season his long wait for a goal is over and he's going to send bormuth back to the south coast with a sunny smile on their face callum wilson his teammates mob him delight for him and for anyhow his 100th league winners of manager bormuth take a 2-1 lead absolutely fantastic back i've never seen so many people get up at once and are going out and staying i know it's it's it's a late goal and it's a real signal but they're all leaving well of all the people that could have fallen to in the 95th minute of the season ending finale that jimmy you know how old selfish was he he sucked with the fender in well we'll be hoping that the cherries can replicate that result this time tomorrow but of course that's not the only game of the week and black man rovers are our visitors here on tuesday evening really good to have another home draw in the cup isn't it very much so yeah an East Lancashire double over the the space of a couple of days definitely nice to have blackburn at home rather than having to for the fans and everybody else having a hall black up to to blackburn a few days after going to burnley yeah when the draw was made you know you said you can't ask much more than a home draw against sort of lower league opposition if you like particularly as the the competition isn't seeded now so you could easily have got a you know one of the big guns for example um but i think yes it's a favorable draw last round you know was uh was comfortable i mean mk don's you know blackburn will be a next challenge up again from them they've got a very very good player in bradley dak who won the league one player the year last year he is a very creative player who's made a couple of pre-season friendlies he made liverpool look bang average on a couple of occasions in one of their pre-season friendlies so he's going to be the one to look out for their mid-table in the championship blackburn they've had an okay start um having come up from from uh league one last season but they're a club who again you think of teams that have won the league and then sort of disappeared back down the footballing pyramid they're definitely a championship team they shouldn't have been a league one for um for the time they were but i think they'll be they'll certainly come here with and for them it's there's absolutely nothing to lose come down here and uh and have a go um and blackburn of course in the league cup as we've mentioned before holds good memories for any how with uh those who can remember his his winning penalty up there in the what we know going back 10 12 years at least i think maybe even 14 years back to uh the the penalties you shoot out up at blackburn a famous night neil mars who is on the cherry's coaching staff was in goal that day um as well so yeah there's lots of good memories of and eddie was sort of brought a smile to his face and we were reminded him of that so it would be nice to uh to complete a league cup double over blackburn for sure and we talked ahead of the cardiff game about how nice it would see it would be to see the cherries get on a cup run this year and this is a really good opportunity to to further that yeah they're obviously going to win the hamster senior cup they're on that cup run as well um no yeah it would be absolutely yeah um and i think that's where home draws help of course in terms of lower league opposition as well and you do need if you're if i think if you're a club like ballmouth you need some luck in the draw i don't think you can be drawing liverpool chelsea whatever in the early rounds and and think you're going to win it that's where ballmouth have come unstuck they drew chelsea of course in the quarters last year they've had liverpool in the quarters if they'd have got a more favorable draw in those rounds who knows what might have happened so if you can avoid the big guns um i don't think you're going to turn in more than one amazing performance in the cup against the big gun so yeah blackburn home very good draw um expectation of course is to win and another home draw in the nice and the next round would be lovely as well if they get that far of course well that's all we've got time for today if you are going up to burnley have a safe journey and if not join us next week as we preview the game against crystal palace


Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States. Please be seated. I have an opening statement first. I'd like to begin by serving as a sort of unofficial spokesman for all of us who've been here this week. I'm sure we all agree our stay in Venice has been comfortable and productive, and I want to express our thanks to the Italian government and especially the people of this lovely and historic city. Although this may come as a partial surprise to some, this has been a summit on economic issues. For all the attention certain international developments have received, I think important steps were taken in the economic sphere. The Summit 7 have put the capstone on a new process for enhanced cooperation and coordination, and have agreed jointly to take the policy steps necessary to assure sufficient world growth. Implicit in all of this is our common commitment to principles that mark a turning point in public policy. I refer here to our growing desire to seek economic growth and opportunity through less government and more personal freedom. And we've seen two direct applications of these principles at this summit. First our resolve to work together against protectionism by correcting the imbalances which are the real cause of our trade deficit. Trade barriers and protectionism can only bring about a contraction of international markets and a slowing of economic growth. And second we've taken further steps toward reducing government subsidization of agriculture and moving toward a day when market signals determine the supply and demand. I said last year that the Tokyo summit was one of the most successful I'd attended because we had launched new initiatives in the areas of trade, agriculture, and economic policy coordination. If that's the case, then Venice must be seen as going one better because it put form, substance, and institutional framework on those initiatives and locked in a process which will better enable us to navigate the dynamic new world of international economics. Now let me add that in addition to these economic matters we also had an opportunity to deal with two other pressing international issues. First I'm pleased with the support our allies have shown for a united position in the Persian Gulf. Actually a commitment to keeping the sea lanes open in that area is a vital strategic objective. As many of you know America's allies have a very sizable presence in the Gulf. Great Britain for example has nearly 18% of its naval vessels committed there and has escorted more than 100 ships since the beginning of this year through the Straits. France too has a strong naval commitment there and all of our allies have reaffirmed their support for keeping the trade routes open, the oil flowing, and moving toward a negotiated resolution of the Iran-Iraq war. As most of you also know, we're currently engaged in a highly sensitive discussion with the Soviets that could lead to an historic arms reduction treaty on U.S. and Soviet intermediate range missiles. Progress has been made here in Venice and today and tomorrow Secretary Schultz will be meeting with the NATO foreign ministers in Reykjavik. I'll be anxious to have his report about the views and recommendations of our allies, so I'm particularly grateful I had this opportunity in Venice not only to discuss these arms reduction efforts with our allies, but to agree again on the importance of reminding the Soviet Union of the progress that needs to be made in other arms negotiations, especially the reduction of strategic intercontinental nuclear forces. So too it's absolutely essential that we continue to seek progress from the Soviets in the human rights area as well as regional conflicts, especially Afghanistan. As we said in our statement, the new expressions of openness from the Soviets are welcomed, but it's time to see if their actions are as forthcoming. And now, Helen, it's your turn. President, not to be a downer, but back home in recent congressional hearings, two key witnesses, General Seacord and Albert Hakim, testified that they were under the firm belief that Colonel North and the NSC acted with your blessing and under the full authority of you, and did they dream this up? Well, however they got that impression, and I've heard some of the testimony also and so much of it was hearsay, one person saying about the other that I thought they had. I told you all the truth that first day after everything hit the fan that how we had opened the negotiations that led to the things that were going on there, having nothing to do with the Contras, the Freedom Fighters in Nicaragua, and that word had come to me that I had not been kept informed. So evidently maybe some people were giving the impression that they were acting on orders from me. Well, I wasn't giving those orders because no one had asked or had told me what was truly happening there. You know, twice to faithfully execute the laws of the United States, do you think that the law barring direct or indirect military aid to the Contras apply to you? I not only think it didn't, but I don't think that the law was broken. We're talking about a case of people that on their own, individuals and groups in our country, sought to send aid to the Freedom Fighters. This has gone on for quite a long time in other areas. We can go clear back to the Lincoln Brigade in the Spanish Civil War. I did not solicit anyone ever to do that. I was aware that it must be going on, of course, but never solicited either countries or the other and would point to the law that is being cited, one of the five versions of the Boland Amendment, that that specifically suggested that the Secretary of State should solicit help from our friendly countries, friendly neighbors. There's nothing about the North's involvement in sending these arms and all of these airlifts and the airstrip and so forth. No. Has this summit and the expected arms endorsement by NATO ministers in Reykjavik increased prospects for a superpower summit this year? You trapped me a little bit there because my long years in sports and sports announcing and also made me very superstitious about calling the pitcher as doing a new hitter before the game was over. I hesitate to make optimistic statements, always have, but at the same time I can't deny that I believe there is an increased opportunity for a summit conference and an increased opportunity for actual reductions of armaments, particularly of the nuclear kind. Sir, we understand that preliminary talks are already underway to fix a date for a summit this year with Mr. Gorbachev. Can you tell us would September be a good guess for that? I can't give you a guess. All I know is that we have made it plain that they have the invitation and we are waiting for them. And we believe that they should state what would be the most appropriate or easiest time for them. Chris? Mr. President and Assistant Secretary of State Elliott Abrams repeatedly misled Congress and yet Secretary of State Schultz says that he's a good man and he can keep his job. Is Schultz right? Can Elliott Abrams keep that job as long as he wants? I know the statement that was made by the Secretary of State and that is the administration's position. And I know the reference that you're making to the particular point in which he himself volunteered that he had made a misstatement, but I accept the Secretary's statement on this. I'm not sure I understand. Sir, I mean, you're the President. In the end, Mr. Abrams works for you. A couple of the specifics. He specifically misled Congress about whether or not he had solicited money from Brunei. He told Congress that that down flyer, Jean Hassanfuss, had no tie to the U.S. Senate. He did. I mean, you're the boss. Are you comfortable with him working for you? I have told you that is the administration's position. And now, Bill, I called Bill Sam the other day and in apologizing, I told him that the first time you asked a question, I was going to call you Bill. Sam. Sir, before you came here, many people on Capitol Hill said that they wanted you to ask our allies to help with more physical help in the Persian Gulf. And many of your officials said that you would do that. Did you specifically ask any of their leaders to give us more help in the way of ships or money to keep the sea lanes open in the Persian Gulf? We spoke of the need for having a kind of single approach to maintaining the international waters there, as international waters and so forth. And we're gratified completely by the response. I think it has been excellent that there was no criticism from any of our allies about this. And as I've told you, there were other countries, as I said here in my opening statement, England and France, who have forces there. Two of the allies, it is true, are bound by their constitutions and could not do anything of that kind. But there was complete support for what we're trying to do, because they understood. We're not trying to provoke any kind of hostility. We are trying to maintain peace, and we're all solidly together in our desire to bring about an end to the Iran-Iraq war. Then the answer to my question is no, you did not specifically ask the allies for more physical help in the Gulf. No, we were very satisfied with what they're prepared to do. The young lady in the blue dress. Mr. President, I'd like to turn to economics since we are at an economic summit. I'd like to ask you if you discussed with Alan Greenspan, the next chairman of the Federal Reserve, the future course of interest rates. And in that discussion, or at any time, have you agreed that you think they should remain low, or do you think perhaps they should rise in order to combat inflation and the fall of the dollar? Well, frankly, most of us believe that the dollar should remain stable. That could be within reason that there could still be some lowering of the value in relation to other currencies. But we do want to control inflation, continue to control it. We've had a miraculous 50-odd months of bringing inflation down. Now there is something of a little surge again, in part, large part, precipitated by energy prices. But I have perfect confidence in Alan Greenspan and his philosophy, and that what he would do would be used to curb that and not let inflation get out of hand again. Let's follow up on that. Also at this summit in the communique, there are three different references to the debtor, the countries that have big federal deficits, that they should do more in order to reduce those deficits. New initiatives, new approaches will you take to reduce the U.S. federal budget deficit? I would like to continue and be more successful with the old methods that we've been trying, and that is to convince the Congress of the United States that our government is overspending. Our total tax burden is 19% of gross national product, and our total spending is 24% of gross national product. Now if you go back through history, you will find that even in the prosperous times and when deficits weren't large, 19% was the tax burden. It is the spending that's gotten out of line. But I would also say that when this matter was mentioned in our discussions and with regard to our very great deficit, our allies weren't aware that in 1983, our deficit was 6.3% of gross national product. Today it is only 3.9% of gross national product that we have made an 18% cut in that deficit this year, 40 billion or more. Very likely we'll make something of the same size next year, but also they were interested to learn that our deficit was much lower as a percentage if we use their method of counting. In the other countries, they take total government spending and receipts. In our country, our deficit is just the federal government. But if we take into account federal, state, and local spending and taxing, our deficit is only 2.5% of gross national product. Young lady, right here. Venice, your chief of staff has identified the Soviet Union along with the United States as co-trustees for peace in the Persian Gulf. Do you share that view? And if so, what is the role the Soviet Union can play in your view in the area? And I have a follow-up. Well, the Soviet Union has some vessels there and has made it plain they're going to escort their own ships, mainly carrying oil. And therefore they have a stake too in peaceful shipping and the openness of the international waters. Do they serve as co-trustees for peace? And also, do you envision any sort of coordinated role between the United States and the Soviet Union in escorting ships through the region? We would like to ask them, because we've appealed to the UN committee, and which they are a member. We have appealed to the United Nations to ask for or demand a peaceful settlement of this war that's been going on too many years. And that if there is not a peaceful settlement that all of us will take action such as sanctions and so forth against them. Bill? Mr. President, does that mean that you are endorsing a role for the Soviets in the Persian Gulf as co-guarenters with the United States? No, I've never thought of them that way at all, but I think it should be pointed out that they are also there because they have ships that are transiting that in commercial shipping. And this is what we're talking about, Andrea. Mikhail Gorbachev seems to have had an enhanced image here among some of the other summit leaders who've met with him. And in late European polls, people seem to outrank him as a man of peace, outranking you in their opinion as a man of peace. Why do you think that he has that very positive public image in Europe and you don't? Well, all of you could have helped change that if you worked a little harder at it. I'm thinking of the record why do you think so. Well, maybe because it's so unusual. This is the first Soviet leader in my memory that has ever advocated actually eliminating weapons already built and in place. And I shouldn't perhaps go out of the way to say that the thing that he himself has proposed, the zero-zero of intercontinental or intermediate range missiles, that I proposed that four years ago and got in my trouble with my then Secretary of State, not the present one, for saying such a foolish thing. But maybe most people have forgotten that we've been trying to get this for years. And I'm glad that he has suggested this and we're going to continue when we believe, as I said before, that we have a good chance of bringing about the beginning of reducing and eliminating nuclear weapons. This opinion of Gorbachev, do you think he is a man of peace and that he does want to sincerely reduce weapons and that a verifiable treaty can be reached? As you know, I've had meetings with him, and I do believe that he is faced with an economic problem in his own country that has been aggravated by the military buildup, and I believe that he has some pretty practical reasons for why he would like to see a successful outcome. Do I trust him? Well, he's a personable gentleman, but I cited to him a Russian proverb. I'm not a linguist, but I at least learned that much Russian. And I said to him, Doviye, no Proviye. It means trust, but verify. Mr. President, have you found that the disclosures of the Iran affair and your efforts to get the American holidays out of Lebanon have harmed you here in Europe in efforts to extradite Mr. Homadai from Germany and in general in trying to get the Europeans to take strong action against terrorism? No, as a matter of fact, we have all been united and we have even strengthened our purpose since we've been here with regard to terrorism, but with regard to Homadai in West Germany who has been arrested there, as you know, for carrying some ammunition. Elmer Cole and I have had some talks about this, and I think it's interesting to note that the only question that remains is will Homadai be tried for murder and hijacking in the United States, or will he be tried for murder and hijacking in Germany, because that is what they intend to do. Now there has been no decision made yet as to whether there would be extradition or not, but whichever way he is going to be tried for the crime of killing our young Navy man in that hijacking. Your spokesman told me yesterday that Mr. Cole had in fact rejected the plea for extradition and that Mr. Homadai would be tried for murder but in West Germany. Was he incorrect in saying that? I do not know whether there's been a decision. He has never said outright to me no extradition. He said this is what remains to be determined. Just where is he going to be tried? But I have not attempted to put any pressure on him either. You said there was no criticism of the other summit leaders of the Persian Gulf policy, but a French government spokesman said that your policy was so confusing they didn't know what you were asking them to support. Can you tell us what your military policy in the Gulf is and does it include the possibility of a preemptive strike if Iran does deploy the silkworm missiles? I don't think they feel that way after they've had a chance to talk to me and hear what I'm saying about it. I am saying that all of us have a stake in maintaining that body of international water open to trade. It is of vital importance to a number of countries, more so than to us, because of their needs in the energy field. But also, I think they are assured now that we're not there to, as I say, provoke some kind of increased hostility. We are there to deter that very thing. Would that make you consider the possibility of a preemptive strike? When you get down to actual tactics and things that might be done, you're in a field that I can't answer, nor should I think I should answer. This is like talking about tactics before. I thought it would be considered a hostile act and would run the risk of reprisal. Well, as I say, I'm just not going to answer questions on that. Mr. President, the Robert McFarlane, your former national security advisor, testified that the plan to bribe, or in the words of the White House, to rescue the American hostages in Beirut that involved the DEA had not been the subject of an intelligence finding. My question then, sir, is why do you feel, if you approved it, that operation did not require a finding or notification of Congress? All I knew about that particular thing was that I was told that there was something going on in which it might be possible to free one or more hostages of ours, and they would be delivered to the beach north of Beirut if we were able to take them off that beach. And I said, well, of course, but the Mediterranean fleet there, you bet we can take them off. And it wasn't until all of this exposure that then I heard that what it was about was supposedly some money for bribing some people that they thought could affect the rescue of one or more of our hostages. And that had to be the thing. But it never happened. And no one ever arrived on the beach north of Beirut. Well, something else you also may not have heard, sir. During the testimony, it became clear that Colonel North, in addition to spending money that had been raised presumably for the Contras, also apparently was about to receive, or arrangements had been made for him to receive $200,000 from the Seacourts Hakeem operation. Do you believe that North was on the take? Whether or not you do, do you believe he's still an American hero? One cannot quarrel with his military record and it established him as such with the awards that he received for his heroism in combat. But I'm going to wait until he's had his day in court also, and I'm not going to prejudge on the basis of all that has been going on for these countless hours. Did you find it uncomfortable or difficult to talk to your summit partners about not selling weapons to Iran in Iraq when everyone at the table knew that the administration had done just that in the case of Iran? We were not dealing with the government of Iran. And again, I want to point out that I did not believe I still feel as I always have. You do not ransom hostages and thus create a market for more hostages. We had been approached by individuals, some in the government of Iran, but who said that they were trying to establish a relationship with the United States that could go into effect when and if there was a succeeding government to the Homeini. And as a matter of fact, we were given to believe that they thought that might be sooner rather than later. And they asked for, almost in comparison to this normal sales of weapons, a token to, first of all, that would prove our sincerity in this. But also they frankly admitted would enhance their ability to have the help of the military if and when this time came. And this was how we settled upon the $12 million worth of arms, but never. And this has been, I'm afraid, mis-portrayed too many. We were not doing business with the Homeini's government. As a matter of fact, the operation was covert because we believe that the people who were trying to contact us, their lives would be in danger if it was ever found out in their home country what they were doing. Nonetheless, there was the distinct possibility, or is the distinct possibility, that those weapons did end up as part of the war effort against Iraq. So again, the question is, how can the U.S. come to a meeting like this and ask other people not to do what it actually did? And because we won't do this anymore. But as I say, that amount of arms, as nearly as we can determine in the last few years, countries involving the Communist bloc of the countries in Europe and Asia, have probably provided $10 billion worth of arms to Iran and some $34 or $35 billion worth to Iraq. And we have been out of this time trying to bring the war to an end. And we're going to continue to try. And as I've said, this thing that did not come to fruition, new government and so forth, no, we will not engage in arms sales, nor do we think anyone else should. And we believe that if the UN Security Council should take the action that we're all asking them to take, that then there should be sanctions against any nation that does sell arms to either of the combatants. Mr. President, you challenged your summit partners the other day to try to eliminate. We decided a year ago in Tokyo something must be done worldwide with regard to agriculture, that governments, all of us, are subsidizing overproduction. There is no market for much of what is being produced. And the total subsidies from our allies and ourselves right here in the summit, total around $140 billion a year to bring this about, we are determined to go forward. And this, we have all agreed, will be continued at the Uruguay round of talks, the GATT talks that are going on. And this will be a major subject as to how we can bring back the marketplace as the determiner of production and price in farming. How do you rate the chance of accomplishing the end of the subsidies by the year 2013? Well, the only reason we set a figure down the road was because all of us recognized that having for several decades now accustomed agriculture to government subsidies of various kinds, you can't just suddenly pull the rug out from under them. That wouldn't be fair. We're not going to do that. But we are going to move toward and with plenty of warning to them that the day is coming when the marketplace will determine the price and what is needing it. As you know, the joint statement on the Persian Gulf did not mention the possibility of imposing sanctions on countries that violated the proposed Security Council resolution. Your Secretary of State told us that it was a common understanding among the seven heads of state that in fact you were talking about mandatory sanctions, but other spokesmen for other governments said that's not the case. What is your understanding? And if you all did mean to endorse mandatory sanctions, why didn't the communique or the statement say so? A discussion came up between the choice of the words enforceable and effective. And it was decided, case in semantics here, it was decided that effective meant the other. And we didn't need the other word, so it was agreed that we would use effective measures. Persuading to do with the other countries before you get them to agree to the idea of sanctions. Not among the seven who are here. We're pretty united on it. Thank you. Would you like to talk about your wife's call? Your wife's call is very effective to a lot of American men, apparently. Are you worried? Do you have any competition? I just want to tell all of you, keep your distance. Keep your eyes open. Mr. President, you've argued that the people who you're dealing with in Iran had their lives in jeopardy, sir. If that's the case, why would they need weapons from you to prove they were dealing with you?


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Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. Whatever you're listening. This is Davisville on KDRT LP 95.7 FM in Davis, California. We live at KDRT.org online. I'm Bill Buchanan, and I thank you for tuning in. Our subject today is Link 21. This is a big story, but it's easy to overlook here in Davis. At its heart, Link 21 is a transportation project that would create a second rail link across the San Francisco Bay near the one used now by the electric trains of BART near the Bay Bridge. The bridge is 70 miles from Davis, so it's easy to think, well, it doesn't really affect us all that much, but it would, and we'll learn more about that today. My guest today is Camille Tsao. She is the capital board or project manager for Link 21. And Camille, thank you for taking time to talk with us today. Thank you for having me, Bill. So let's, well, briefly, what is Link 21 and why would it matter today of us? Fundamentally, this is a project that reduces the distance between Sacramento and San Francisco, at least measured by time, right? So what's the project? How does that affect us? Well, the project is a mega regional transformational multi-generational project to improve passenger rail in Northern California. I know that sounds like a lot, but that is our vision, that is our mission. The way it affects Davis is, well, Davis has already got a train station, you already have riders, you already have a culture of using the train. And imagine if train riding were faster, more frequent, how many more trips could be made by train to and from Davis. And because it is a mega regional attractor having the university, Davis, unlike a lot of places is both a generator and an attractor of trips. So many, many more people around the mega region could be using the train to get to and from Davis. So the capital corridor service that exists in Davis right now has about, in normal times, it runs about 30 trains a day, and has about 370,000 riders use the Davis station, I think in 2019. So this would increase that number then. Yes, absolutely. Right now, Davis is our second busiest station on the capital corridor system. We love our riders, thank you for writing, and if you haven't tried it yet, you definitely should. It's a great way to get to and from Davis. But yes, what we're looking at, the reason why we want to transform the passenger rail experience is because we want more people to ride the train. And we want them to see it as a viable option when they're going to in front places. So, absolutely, we want to grow ridership on the train network. And you used the phrase mega region, which people use from time to time and this is the idea that the Sacramento area up to Yuba County to the Bay Area all the way down to Monterey County, really can be maybe ought to be thought of as one big area that's interconnected and that I guess you'd say that interconnection is sort of organic people are doing it already on their own and as a result, you need a transportation system that carries that together. Tell me a little bit more about how the service would change is it electric is it 24 hours a day is it more frequency. Hopefully all of the above. You know, you're absolutely right about how you describe the mega region. It's 21 counties, including all those areas that you mentioned and northern San Joaquin Valley as well. But yes, it is, it has become organic in a way I mean as our regions develop and grow in both population and jobs, you know, there's less space between our separate regions right and that's how we've become one mega region in fact we're the fifth largest mega region in the United States. So just, you know, economically, we're all connected whether we realize it or not. And so and to maintain our competitiveness. We absolutely need a transportation system that serves people and moves goods efficiently to. We can rail the solution, as opposed to something else, you know, I don't know telecommuting even with with the pandemic is sort of shuffle things why, why, because this will be this project will cost billions of dollars right and take decades to build. Yes, I put that effort into rail. I don't think rail is the only solution. I think we as a transportation planner I definitely believe in a multi, what I call a multimodal approach. So, you know, in some cases, cars are more efficient, but if everybody drives a car, it results in tremendous amount of congestion. In a train, we can carry a lot of people, you know, 600 to 1000 people depending on the train set for a fraction of the space that would be taken up by cars. But we need a transportation that has all all forms of transportation and we also have a ferry system here, which I think, you know, not not many places can take advantage of a ferry system so we need to we need to have it all. It's good to have options, as we saw, you know, in cases like the Loma Prieta earthquake. So, right, because when that earthquake hit the roads were not usable for a while. The freeways went down. Yeah. Of course, one thing that this does is it supports growth. I'm sure you must know Davis is a town that is often turned away growth it says like other parts of the Bay Area the mega region it says no thanks we don't really want that here. How does this affect your planning for the project and I don't mean just in the technical sense but there's a concept behind this that basically says we're going to grow for places that don't really want to. How do you sell this project to them. That's a really good question. And I think we, we continually grapple with how to manage growth. You know, how, how land is developed how densely is developed that that is under the jurisdiction of the city so you know that's that's not our place to say I think what I will say is that, you know, how we grow. We can, we can grow in different ways if we grow around, let's say, you know, transit and train stations versus spreading out being only really accessible by automobile. But you get a different kind of place. And so, not every city is going to approach growth the same way. And we're not interested in forcing anyone to do grow the way they don't want to grow. But for those cities that want to partner with us, certainly the cities that you know already have stations we're already working with them and have a relationship with them. We want to, we want to work in partnership. I imagine part of your approach with the project must be there'll be a lot of discussions you'll be having with different cities and communities and civic groups and whatnot along the line. Have you begun to do that yet or is that still more in the future. We're really just starting over the last year. We formed these working groups, which were more on the technical side, trying to anticipate questions that we might get. And we have started working with a small group of jurisdictions, and that group will continue to grow but overall this, this spring we're launching virtual open houses we're starting to get the word out. We've launched our website link 21 program org, which anyone can visit to learn more about it. But yes, we will be going to different cities, communities, and we're really interested in hearing people's thoughts on the program. One of the things I noticed in the description of it is, there's quite a lot of discussion about the importance of what's called the one seat ride. This is the idea anyone familiar with the Bay Area topography or geography will know. If you're in Palo Alto and you want to come to Davis by public transit well you've got a bridge to cross or you can go around the south part of the bay I suppose. But the point is you're going to have to change services. And part of the idea here is like this new crossing would be used by the capital corridor. If I understand correctly the idea is someone could get on board in Santa Cruz and go to Rockland or Davis or, and it would be one. They wouldn't have to get off the train is this part of the vision. And, and if so, why, why is that important that the one seat ride idea. It is part of the vision, however, as we develop the service plan there's going to be a combination of services so in some sometimes they'll be one seat rides and other times there might be a transfer. But I think the concept of the one seat ride really what we're saying is convenience. So for anyone who's ridden the train and had to transfer. Wait, two minutes or let's say, let's say you have to wait less than 30 seconds because you just cross the platform and get on to your next train. That is a very different feeling from having to wait 1020 30 minutes. So, the concept one seat ride, literally, yes, does mean you would get on and not have to get off again until you got to your destination station. And what we're really trying to do here is make it more convenient so if there are transfers that those would be much easier, much better timed than they currently are. So, the state, in fact, is updating its state rail plan, which looks at a what they call pulse schedule throughout the state and that means trains would arrive at regularly schedule intervals time so that transfers would be easy at stations where multiple trains meet. So the whole concept is really around passenger convenience and ease and encouraging people to use the train system as a result. So more coordinated. I get a sense, you know, easier to use that way. It's more coordinated, but another thing that we're looking at to, especially for capital corridor is travel time and reliability, because if people are going to choose between, let's say an automobile or a train. The first question they're going to ask is, how long is that going to take. Two hours right now from Davis to downtown San Francisco and counting the bus transfer and I would imagine you would want that to be a good deal faster than when this was built out. We would and we're looking at what that would take is it's going to take more than a crossing to reduce that travel time so we're looking at what are the other key improvements that would be needed in order to really improve that travel time. I'm talking with Camille. So she is the capital corridor project manager for link 21. This is the project to build a second rail crossing in the Bay Area, and really the larger idea is to help unite what's called the Sacramento Bay Area mega region so the transportation just flows more easily as the area grows.  Is this something similar or, or what. Are you asking the crossing itself I guess what would that be like it would that be like the Bart tube or would it be something new, or is it too soon to say maybe. It's too soon to say but I think it would be, it would be similar for it to be cost effective, we need to be able to move a lot of trains and people through that crossing so in that sense in the terms of, you know the number of trains that would be going through the capacity and we'd like it to be on the higher end to make the project worth building. So that we haven't worked out we're really at the beginning stages, people ask, you know how many tracks do you need to go through the Bart tracks, you need regional rail tracks because they are different. Are you going to accommodate that we're still working that out. I think what we're trying to do right now is we're trying to be open to different possibilities different solutions, because what we want to focus on is really achieving our objectives of really preparing the passenger rail network for future growth, and what is limiting us today, what is preventing us from doing that and having that second crossing would certainly help us. State identified this as a critical link in the Northern California passenger rail network, but we need to study it more, which is why it's taking a few years for us to even come up with some program alternatives because we're really trying to be thorough and make sure that we're addressing the issues that need to be addressed. One of the advantages I suppose about talking about all this right now is that it's still being formed. So there's still a chance for communities, whatever people who are interested to weigh in on it if they want to. One last question about that I mean would, is this something where like Bart and the corridor would still exist side by side or does this ultimately maybe replace Bart just trying to get a picture of that. That would be seen we're trying to take an operator neutral approach. We're really trying to look at this as a network and not think about okay what's bar, what's capital quarter I mean to a certain extent we need to do that, but what most folks may not know is that by 2035, we may not have the diesel powered locomotives that you see on the tracks today, we will likely be running some greener technology, much higher performing equipment. And so, even just writing what we call regional rail is going to feel really different. So, it is a challenge to imagine what that network would be like in the future because it's easy to get caught up in what we've got today. And the reality is, it's going to be quite different. How much would all this cost, and how's, how's it going to get paid for. That's the billion dollar question. Well literally I think right. Many billions. Yes, it will likely be in the billions. We don't have a number, just because we're still trying to figure out what should be included in it. In the future's time or so we'll have a pretty high level estimate of what the program might cost in terms of how we're going to pay for it. Like most transportation projects in this country, we're going to have to put together a lot of different funding sources to pay for this program. I think what's important to note is that working together with our state with our other rail partners like there's a lot of other programs and plans going on and we're not here to compete with those programs. In fact, we want to work together we want to make the entire system better by working together. So, I'm hoping that that through these partnerships, we can be more competitive for funding because we are truly building out a system that is going to serve the mega region for many many generations. I can't imagine yet the state certainly gets involved in something like this because you're talking about a significant fraction of the state. And this is the sort of a project that might ultimately caucuses in Congress could create around this because it again it's large it would cover a lot of different congressional districts. Okay, Union Pacific Railroad owns the tracks right now that the corridor uses. Are they on board with this. We still have to work closely with them absolutely. We haven't presented a plan to them yet because we don't have one. And, frankly, it would be unproductive to show them plans that weren't fully baked. But we absolutely are going to be working with them when we have more developed ideas. They're definitely an important partner in this. And I think too isn't there, because the corridor is 30 years old. And if I recall correctly when it started, well as a different era then Southern Pacific owned it but the founding authorities worked out the state worked out a deal with Southern Pacific to pay to improve certain parts of the line in exchange for a commitment to run a certain number of capital corridor trains. And I imagine a deal along those lines would be, I don't want to predict anything but I imagine that's probably where everybody would look right something similar. If you want more capacity, pay more money, build certain things, particularly if you want that to be a faster line you'd probably have to do things again with electrification or maybe with. I think at the Martinez bridge built in the 1930s right it's occasionally it stops for ship traffic that's not going to be compatible I think with the vision that you're talking about. You're absolutely right. Yeah, I mean, we're going to have to work with UP. I would like to see our negotiations with the UP be coordinated through the state, because really if we're looking at the network. It's not effective. It's not efficient to go to sit down with the UP and talk about singular projects all over the region. It really makes more sense to have a discussion about the network. And I think that would be beneficial to UP as well. And the interesting point I mean Union Pacific, it's, it's a big railroad it's all over the west west of Chicago, certainly all over California and there are other rail projects in other parts of the state that would also involve in Pacific and different agencies doing their own version of something like this I suppose. One thing that struck me I listened to the presentation the other day and was this idea that looking at New York and in Chicago and in Washington, the amount of distance you can travel in an hour on a train. Well it was 35 miles out of San Francisco. And that's because of really the Bay crossing and such things like that. In New York you can cover 80 in Chicago 55 in Washington 85. And I thought that sort of illustrates your point doesn't it that real travel in this state because of geography perhaps for other reasons is slower than the idea is to get those kinds of Well it is speed but I mean that that sort of reach right that when all of a sudden done we might be able to go 80 miles in an hour here, as opposed to 35. That's exactly right. Those other mega regions you mentioned because their reach by rail within an hour is much further. There are more choices more options for people who need to get around the mega region. And I know we're mostly talking about passenger rail but now this goods movement is just as important trucks use our roads as well and we have a tremendous traffic congestion problem in our region as as as people are aware so the more that we can shift to other modes be rail or bus or ferry. The more we can relieve the congestion on our highways so it does be of us to work on the entire transportation system and have different options, which are suitable for different types of trips. The great thing about rail is that you're not sharing the road. Right, as long as you have that that capacity to run more trains as you mentioned. You can carry a lot of people and you're not going to be subject to traffic congestion. There's a lot of things going on reliability issues so there's there's a lot of different variables in the equation. No equity has also come up as a one of the goals of this project to build this out with equity in mind. How does that play out specifically I mean transportation really is supposed to serve the entire region. I mean in this case how does that affect your planning. Well, equity is an extremely important component of our planning. What it means is that we're going to be working directly with community based organizations, communities that have been historically marginalized or left out of the conversation or or impacted negatively by transportation projects in our history. Oftentimes transportation projects did hurt communities of color or low income communities. So we want to make sure that from the start, we have an approach that is inclusive, and that listens to the concerns of different communities. The way it plays out in the program I think is one you know we'll be looking at where are where are the improvements that we're proposing how does that benefit or impact the communities they go through. And secondly, when the services running. Are we in fact providing increasing opportunities for people to access more jobs to help them to benefit them to increase their housing and job opportunities and you mentioned earlier, the concept of 24 hour service. I think that having service available not just during the commute periods, but during most hours of the day is an incredible equity opportunity, because there are a lot of jobs are out there there are not eight to five jobs. And if the train doesn't run during those hours for you to access those jobs. Well then your choices are much limited. And you might have to drive if you have a car, or you might have to take a bus that might entail full transfers and a long trip, depending on how far you're going. I think the extended hours that we would like to make possible through our program is a huge equity benefit. I had one other question here this kind of a local one. Another thought I've heard about this is that as this project develops, there may be side projects that it inspires along the way. Of course you're familiar with Davis likely we have a track from Davis that goes north to Woodland, ultimately up to done again and places north from there. Has there been any discussion ever about bringing that part into the project I mean Woodland and Davis are almost twin cities at this point. I'm sure someone disagree with me on that but the point is, there's, there's a lot in common. If someone wants to build a city from scratch, there's land north of there where you could I'm not advocating it but there's room if someone wanted to do that. Has that ever come up this idea of using like that line from Davis north has that ever been mentioned in a idea along the way. I haven't heard of it yet but that doesn't mean that you can't be explored I mean I think our priority is to make sure that the existing system works well. The part is under has been under pressure in the past to extend lines and go, you know, have different branches going to different parts of the district. We have a system expansion policy but it's tough on the system if your core system doesn't have what it needs to maintain reasonable travel time reasonable reliability and the frequencies, adding more lines or stations may compound the problem. So first we just need to make sure we improve the guts of our system and make sure that works well. As they say that could be mission creep if you started going out to other areas. So, we're at the end of what was the website again. link 21 program.org.  So we have been talking with Camille tau. She is the capital quarter project manager for link 21 about that project Camille thank you very much for appearing on Davisville today. Thank you very much for having me. I am bill Buchanan this is Davis fill on Katie RT. Thank you all for listening.