Corbin yeah, how many Mexicans does it take to change a light bulb?  Thanks for watching on Patreon follow us at accounts grab a like button Speaking of names Who came up with Jesus the Romans was a Constantine? That anglicized the pronunciation who is at some point I should know this I used to teach this these kinds of subjects But I may I am interested to know When did yes she will become anglicized who's responsible for that the white people for sure Today we got a two-parter interview here with money rot now cool and a couple other people read this In this India glitz Tamil video, let's look into the world of Tamil cinema We're visioning visionary directors discuss about conviction join us as director money rotten sheds light on the invaluable contributions of K. Balichander Barati Raja Mahandran and Baloo Mahandra who have left an incredible mark on Tamil cinema with their unique storytelling and creative brilliance So they're talking about kind of contributors to yeah Forgive us if they will mention names that we're unfamiliar with or have forgotten that we're familiar with but this is it Didn't put everything in one. So it's a right. It's a two-parter. Okay, so here we go The beginning of a movie I know I want to go fight Thanos Wait me when it's over That was kind of like opening up a play bill at the Pasadena playhouse you get all the sponsors before you get to the actual credits Well, that was quick This is for pony and selban Creates his own universe and gave us a local. Hey, we know her back there. Oh baseball Joseph He was the lead in Jaya Jaya and he's also director my honor. Yes Chopra's back there behind her Wow, this is quite the panel. Oh Whoa, yeah, so he's Canada. They got a Malayali. They got a Tamil Great panel conviction. I think I think We were making this is a weird very this is a very South Indian edit is accepted by the mainstream audiences Sorry for Rosa you are connected to the movie with the romance or the basic human emotions. You are connected So good make a look for this and that I hope it's a sweet Yes That's like me There's one guy up there they didn't introduce Who first invited me to be here? Tell me about conviction money, sir Conviction. I think I think I can talk from my that was so good I think we had Had some fantastic filmmakers before Who paved the way for us? you know, there was I mean Balachandra was there. Barthiraja was there. Balima. Indra was there. Mahindra knows there. I think they broke ground and they laid apart and Think distinct about Tamil was That all the good filmmakers were making films within the mainstream and Not necessarily very parallel. So there's always Sensibility that had been ingrained into mainstream cinema and that helped us there is Canada I think can run Malayalam had very distinct and there was Girish Kastravilli Girish Karnat They're very fantastic filmmakers, you know, JV. Yeah, there was enough of them But and it took a while Before that sensibility got into mainstream film, right? Whereas here we had the advantage of people like Balchandra to make this way and that gives the every younger person a conviction. I think Today if a lot of youngsters are making Tamil films, I think We all owe it to them Vetri, where do you find conviction as a storytelling? I would like to add on to the point that money's are made about I didn't see them introduce him. Sorry. I need to know who he is We don't have a parallel movement as such every other language in India has we only have the mainstream Is that true? Tamil doesn't have a parallel films So whatever films that are made it has to be made for the mainstream audiences We need to address even the most serious of ideas and thoughts that we need to put Which we want to tell us stories Film stories are okay It has to be catered to the mainstream audiences That has given every Filmmaker a bigger challenge Or a Tamil Tamil filmmakers a bigger challenge, which is what kind of compromises are you ready to make? When you're making a serious film your compromises are lesser Uh, and when you're when you're trying to make a mainstream film you need to take the audience into account In the process what has happened is we have started making films With whatever we want only to the mainstream is another Tamil mainstream audiences have evolved. I when I When we were making Visaranai I used to tell my team if this film is accepted by the mainstream audiences I would I would say that the Tamil audiences are the most evolved mainstream audiences And they did make that film a profitable film. So I feel I I feel As Tamil filmmakers we are Gifted to be in this position where the audiences are open and we are Challenged as creative people to work only within the mainstream framework but When when you are saying conviction I I actually don't understand what you mean by the word conviction, but I'm glad I asked me to you're saying that We have to tell the stories To make all the films or four of you have made films that require courage. Yes. So I I think it comes from our sincerity to tell a story for our own people not taking into consideration anything beyond that and we all have a Being true to yourself a mathematical balance. I would say in terms of commerce money, sir was the first person to do something like, you know Taking a newcomer and liberating himself from the star pressure And coming up with a film like roja He was telling a story for himself. Like, you know, it's a small story But it had an international appeal Bombay for that matter also so We want to tell stories again, uh, when I say we I would So it's uh, I'm assuming that I'm assuming that so, uh, all of us want to tell stories from our own world And if it connects Internationally, it's fine where when when I want to tell a story Which connects to the whole world. I might end up making certain compromises that that might not work for the People whom I'm making the film for or from from whom I'm making the film from I think that we all are all of us are On on the dot. I think with this, you know, I have to say that, you know, when you talk about roja People talk about pan indian now Roja was pan india 30 years ago Right. I used to work at india today magazine and every day we would take a 15 minute break to listen to the soundtrack We would all just stop working Because choti si asha we had to listen to at least once but let's talk about these compromises. So rishabh You always told me this key local is universal, right when you made minnal moorly, um basal When you were making it Did you not like battery say ever think it audience bar kya hogi? Yeah Um, if I do this change, maybe it'll cross borders. You don't think of that at all Uh First of all, uh, I have a language issue. So I can't speak in english. So do I rishabh. I can't speak tamil kanada I can speak tamil kanada Hindi What about hindi hindi is going to For 10 people Oh too bad they didn't have a translator So that is the issue, uh It's a good thing I always seen indian cinema, uh, kanada cinema, tamil, hindi, telugu, malayalam so, uh Well, I'm a below average student. I don't even read much So my inspiration My gamma kahaani So what I have seen in my village, uh, and moreover I always uh I always uh Fan boy or an audience So make audience jesa dektaum So agar make audience hoom je achalak na chheye mera kahaani So, uh, ish liye main sojtha ki mera gav ka kahaani So your rooted stories hai More jada reach hotei kyunki abhi kanta raho. So, uh Poesah ek rituals Pazah ek kahaani So her So, uh So, uh, these kind of a connection, uh Pure uh india meh Sir, it's shayad aap bahar dekta, agar aap vikings dekta, to udarka abhi jo rituals dektaf The vikings me. So it's more connected to indian, jo rituals hamlokarte hain to wo hain Uh, I always felt so yeh kahaani to har logon ko connect hojayaega So, uh, hanko jo jada influence nahi hona chahi agar me yeh connect hotei agar ke mein Ek western film jesa karna aur hindi film jesa karna, wo jada disconnect hojayaega log Toh ish liye it should be very core, very regional, very rooted I think I understood most of what he was saying, actually So, tell me about the pressure of success then, basil, you made me know murli which was massive success All of us were rooting for this homegrown superhero Now you're making another film does that put pressure on you to think about audiences like us Who are not murli alam speaking Definitely it's a Actually, it's a pressure actually to make a to meet the expectations coming from with the next movie, but All I have to connect to that to the conviction we have not compromising on the Our own our own sensibility to make it more global or more wider or more pan indian as we call it today Uh, we just have to be true to our movie. We have to be true to our emotions that that so it Have been working for all along all the way like for sure That's exactly how raja murli has responded to those questions. Yeah the romance or the basic human emotions. You are connected That's global. I'm gonna make it. Yeah, I'm gonna make it for us if you like it great And a lot of it has universal truth. Yeah, it'll resonate the emotion is the universal and you have there you go Yeah, you have to be personal everybody's a human everybody has emotions right following some template or something like that so I think there is a pressure for Doing a next film for sure But definitely if we are true to the genre if we are true to our emotions, it is personal And then uh, and if the storytelling can Translate It's not just about making a route at everything. It won't work beyond borders. Maybe the translation have to be also In fact, maybe uh, like Korean industries have been doing for so long Like they have been doing that storytelling is translating the global audience Even they are they are all making their own culture. They are on Yes, or their own brutal stories. It's connected to the global audience. So I think that's all matters We have to translate it cleverly. Maybe with proper storytelling, but true to the emotions It should come from the heart But little bit of maybe a brain as well You take the pressure of the box office now that you're all so widely successful When you're writing when you're creating the next one Is there a number because now we're all talking about a thousand crores And uh, that's the conversation now which film is now hit a thousand How do you as artists protect yourself from that? Don't read the numbers Leave it leave that to the producers and distributors. Yeah, do you hear that twitter? I think all that You as a filmmaker look for is That this film should do well enough For me to get another chance. Yes for me to do one more which is why you support good films by giving them your box office money That's what matters Which means my story gets told to write right the numbers become an additional thing. You know, it is not the Main thing preach it money. Hear the applause And we should be able to make more and more movies. Yes, that doesn't mean if a movie makes money that it's a good movie faster Many more all these guys are good movies ought to make money because the producers will make more of them No, I Okay, let me put it this way my films are not really really big Successful like, you know the not really the bigger box office stuff Um, I would always wish when I start a film. I would always Wish and plan to have a break even on table on the day of the release for my producer Anything over and about that. I'm right. Yeah, if that doesn't happen on paper I wouldn't want to start a film if I can't see that except for this Yeah, you want your producers to get their money back at least yeah fair minimum budget. Don't lose money We did not intend to spend so much but we had to spend that kind of money but Otherwise if the producer breaks even I'm very happy. Yes I take only that much calculation into mind and As money's are said He directed that movie. We haven't seen it. It came out a couple months ago. You are vj. Sadapathy, isn't it? As a supporting role and it's kind of a village thing behind the scenes of a multiple thing He's the director of that We're gonna watch it. I haven't seen it So I look at I mean, I guess only that much Any producer would produce again as long as they don't lose money. Yeah, Oscar winning Screenwriter William Goldman once said and very famously said about the movie business But nobody knows anything Orson Welles said that too post pandemic something like it Because generally nobody knows has any clue But at least in in Mumbai what I hear a lot key prevailing wisdom is But now audience will come for spectacle for song for stars Anything that's made or smaller budget anything that's more personal because in Mumbai. They care about box office above all streaming Is this true? Like do you guys think about what do people want to see in theaters? That is the most most difficult one because you can't predict Before cantara have done a They had no idea contara was going to make what it made which is a children's film So you're asking about the numbers before this so May over film one point four crores may film My papa's a good media Jacky Pooja a kya beta is a experiment karata. Oh experiment. I could have a spicy later. This is a film Okay, but will film Peace Corps of Tuck box office collection I He made the lowest budget can India film, I think In contara So can I So no one's trying to second guess the audience Basil would you say yes um actually like He have said we cannot predict anything right now because people Change the taste the trends change for sure. Like just before covid people were more driven to content oriented or realistic movies back then and then now since the onset of kgf or kandhara or Akhubali like big movies people maybe want To come to theater for big spectacles rather than rather than for content driven like small scale realistic movies But at the same time small scale comedy movies are working out somewhere like even very low budgets All movies are working out and some even drama is also working out sometimes But it's it's not predictable at all. But all I have to say is like updated with our own like stay updated upskilling is something Which is very important. I think like in the past when we used to Listen to air roman or rillera jazz songs the kids these days are listening to BTS or Blackpink so we have to Stay along with the generation and they're listening to ani and you know Then from that perspective when we make movies it might connect with the audience or the people Who are along with the trend actually? I so I don't think there is any framework for The trends or anything like that BTS It's a k-pop korean pop music So there's another there's another part is there anything great to say in between that No, we have a second part. We have a second part. Yeah, if there's anything you wanted to say in between that though Now all the only thing I wanted to point out. I took a note That's why I got my phone was that You hear this consistently within indian cinema all over the place the difference between mainstream and parallel Which in the states you most of you probably already know this for us That would be synonymous with say independent and studio as far as the focus on one of them is more focused on Artistry and the other one's more focused on technically making a lot of money technically 824 is technically Independent film. Yeah, even though they're they're bordering now on They're just too big now to be considered independent. They have too much money, right basically At a certain point, but thankfully they're not a member of the amp tp. So stay that way That's why they made a couple exceptions. Yeah, yeah, yeah 24. Yeah, I don't think they're doing anymore Um, but here we go for the second part great You know what film I'm talking about. I do know what you're referring to. Yeah. Oh, I just wanted to You're skipping the big intro stuff. Yeah It's a k-pop korean pop music Themselves bollywood Okay, all right, it's just two minutes of I've never listened to one BTS song so you don't know one BTS song. I'm sure I've heard it like oh my stars No, I go good The songs are great their music videos are great. They're talented guys Alexis adores them seen in my concerts discussions. You just ask Your BTS is great genuinely sir seriously, sir 40 years of money that's not what I thought she was gonna say I heard It's unbelievable. It's uh and the thing is You still speak to us with that same Passion with that same sincerity when I go into ps1 I'm swept away like I was when I saw roja or bombe or nigran How is it that you never just sit home and rest and say today I'll just pat myself on my laurels and be happy What keeps you striving laurels? Never heard that thing. I don't do it. Pat myself on my laurel. Yeah Rest on your laurel pat myself on the back But You still want to do the next film and when you want to do a next film it is I don't know why but it's always like a first film You really when you start off at least for me when I start up I have no clue how I'm going to do it I have a scene on hand when I start a new film in a new scene. I don't know how to shoot it So you have to go in discover and then Get into a rhythm and then keep building but it It never lets you become confident to be very honest when I did my first film It was a canada film and I didn't know filmmaking. I didn't know canada I'd written a script and I thought I could make it. I just convinced I told the actor that I have a producer I told the producer I have an And then I was making the film I had two choices I could work as a nesting director and become a director later But I thought seven years. I'm not ready to work as an assistant. I've done my post graduation. I've worked for two years enough The other option was to write a script and convince. So I went the other way I thought to myself told myself that if I write a script, you know convince a director No, uh, any of the big directors to take the script and then with him I'll work on one film and learn filmmaking That's what my plan was but when I finished the script. I thought I'll do it myself and So I told myself that this one film I'll learn everything I'll fall and get up and learn everything and then let them see who I am But that never happens, you know, I mean you never Really learn it fully. You're still struggling and they're still you're always in awe of Uh Masters, you know, when I see vetries for them up in a series No, I mean, this is just fantastic. It just inspires you that The limit is up there far far above. So it's pushes you Okay for that kanthara you are the inspiration, sir Tell them tell them So we can make films like okay kanmani and Pony in central also. So that is an inspiration that As a filmmaker as a storyteller, we should break the genres So we should explore different different contents. So He's the inspiration How does that feel when money circles you a master? I I really um Feel really embarrassed He says such things I feel that he's very Uh He likes to encourage youngsters and he's he's he's encouraging I look at it that way only and About I'll I'll first say about this Uh pandemic stuff. I think before even before the pandemic the trend of going in To watch spectacles on screen Set in India with the advent of OTT popularity When a lot of films start like you know when OTT's swept into the mainstream viewing thought process We wanted to watch spectacles And when that's not new don't came in it cemented itself. But again It's not just the visual spectacle, but an emotional immersion that is I feel When you're sitting inside a theater if you can hold the audience or if he feels that he cannot he he He doesn't need to go to his mobile phone to get a new shot of one one fresh shot of uh Dopamine dopamine Fresh shot of dopamine through the phone Then he will come to the theater and sit I think there are some very nice examples in Tamil no very small films like love today was a very small film and the kind of uh, see When we when we are talking about watchability on in coming into the big screen and watching like we talk about all the big films the the pan india films and even small films the how how you Accept the film or respect the film or whatever opinion you have about the film Irrespective of that we talk about how people come in and take the film So a small film like love today is accepted as much as a big triple r or kgf is accepted so I think the immersive experience and the emotional Connect there's some point where I can identify with the world that is being built and the issues that are being discussed Uh, if it's a if it's my problem A modern day issue Then I go to theater with respect of the size of the film in terms of budget and At the same time if there is something that I can feel proud of I'm going to feel proud of uh, I mean every every Every person in Tamil Nadu Is proud of Puneen Selvan Very very proud of Puneen Selvan for that matter When when uh vikram came also vikram came also we were like feeling like okay, so we Tamil Film industry has an answer to the pan indian Syndrome or pan indian thing though we will celebrate the film. So that kind of if if that Pride works that also is a matter of connecting factor money sir, I feel He has been an inspiration for I think a guy in the 10th grade now who wants to become a filmmaker. I watched uh I did not have the opportunity to watch nayan in theaters when it got released, but I had a VHS tape At home I watched that film for 47 times I want to be a filmmaker To do a film as good as nayan or better than nayan so I was when I was 15 I watched the film and I came Wanted to become a filmmaker today a 15 year old guy will Guy or girl will watch Puneen Selvan and will want to become a filmmaker So that is the kind of influence and impact money sir has So so whatever whatever you say whatever you do uh One name has been a constant in Tamil cinema Like what Sachin Tendulkar was for Good comparison that name like that name for Tamil cinema and for Indian cinema also. Yeah, I like money sir's courage his courage to Go up and make a film like see whether you like it or not. That's not a problem for me Okay, you don't like it. I will wake up in the morning tomorrow and I will start afresh That courage not anybody Or not everybody is as courageous as money sir is to be constantly making films these 40 years are not just His ability to connect With his stories to the people but his courage And commitment to make films continuously. I think that is what we all should learn from money, sir that courage Thank you for that, sir You know, I want to also touch briefly about something that I think about a lot because With the emergence of the big spectacle movies right with with the success of let's say pushpa or the kgf films or rr rr There's also a sort of return in a way of the larger than life Very hyper masculine hero I feel women in film have made Have made great leaps in the last 15 years, you know in front of the camera behind the camera We have so many more women directors now I am afraid as a lover of cinema as as a film critic that Somewhere we will take three steps back because again At least in Mumbai the general idea is key The female lead film is mid-budget. It's a little, you know, it's more personal. Chhoti film. Hey Go to OTT How do we stop that from happening because like you said it's not about Budget it's about emotion. It's about how much you are immersed in a narrative How do we make sure since you are the goats That women are not pushed to the sidelines again Oh Not only Women filmmaker so that will happen for low budget filmmakers Yeah Hello, so I think We can only hope yeah I should say that this trend has been regressive In terms of women representation that that has happened and We we should really look into it take it seriously in terms of representation at the same time. I think Women making films Should Speak more boldly about their own They should come out to tell their own stories in a more bolder way I agree I would say and Number of more number of Women filmmakers should come one of my assistants and women producers. Yeah Let us tell our own stories. Please don't try to give us representation. She said yeah Let the women tell their stories and let them produce it. I think that should that's what happened with barbie and this regressive approach of portraying women should definitely Change in in the bigger films bigger films, uh, where it is more evidently regressive Making a note to myself about women Hey, which was my favorite films. Uh, you got beta agreed. It was fantastic Great film talk about female lead films No, no, we can't we can't be prescriptive key only women can tell you know everybody. I'm just saying Largely speaking, I hope we can you know, we can kind of keep pushing on this front Um, I've just been told that seven minutes to end. So I have one one last she's such a good interviewer. Mm-hmm You know for too many years now when we speak about Hindi cinema or Bollywood it becomes that's Indian cinema right through his oscar campaign um Rajam only kept saying this is not a Bollywood film Yeah, everybody was calling it a Bollywood film. Do you see in The next year in the next two years But that has shifted and will continue to shift where the four industries of the south and hindi cinema are now the new national cinema I have to share my personal experience. Uh, Articulum was in um festival I'll just get the name. Okay. It was in a festival and uh, A canadian actress she was uh, she she was invited for the film she came and She asked, uh, is this a hindi language film? I said, no, no, it's a tamar film. Very educated question Indian film speaking in tamar. Shouldn't a Sri lankan film be speaking in tamar? I said no India has a lot of ignorance. Yeah, it's one language. She said oh, I thought India speaks only hindi Oh, wow. Yeah, that's very common and As long as this This narrative is strongly built. We see they have bought that idea and uh, I don't out of ignorance Very uncommon for one country to speak so many languages Hollywood, Hollywood, Hollywood, Hollywood, all woods. I don't like the French speak French The English speak English the Spanish speak Spanish. Yep. It's very different in India. It's uh, Strong stars and the market and the business. So they've reached that way and uh, with films RRR was called Supposed to be a biggest collector in the US Equal to all the Hollywood films also when such films come and the discussion starts around it There might be people who are aware of it, but then Most people are not bothered about what language we speak like I'm talking about them. So what language we we speak they are Content with their own misinformation So only when they put in some effort to change that it will change.  Most countries don't have hundreds of languages. It's just ignorance If indie films stop calling themselves Bollywood, I think it will change I think yeah, because internally We've been told none of them like that term. Yeah, they keep it because it's monetarily successful for them to keep that term This is true. And and I have to say I have some All of us media people have some part of it. No, it's your fault as Bollywood I want to just end with with something that I read somewhere that Kamal Hassan Saw ponien selvin one and he said that hope so he voiced it. This is the golden age of Tamil cinema and as a Tamil artist as a Tamil filmmaker He was very proud So I want to see that line and say I think this is the golden age of south Indian cinema And as an Indian critic and an Indian I don't disagree with that statement So thank you goats. I think it is a golden age of Indian cinema. So finally we we all Yes Can't wait to see everything all of you make next and thank you for the time and thank you ci for the opportunity Great great great interview great great panel as always. I would love to I think I picked up on a lot of what Basil Joseph. No, not basil. He's the one on the end This is basil joseph.  Yeah, yeah, and I think he was the director as well can correct him if Shetty. Yes Reshab Shetty I think I picked up on a lot of what he was conveying obviously we didn't have subs for for him Which apparently we were kind of like a lot of the audience because apparently a lot of them Exactly don't speak any But it's it's always good. There's a in-depth discussion about a lot of the current goings on great questions of Indian cinema specifically south Indian cinema because they're all south Indian directors And it was it was I'd say Manny is kind of he's a different style of film like we'd use like the Steven Spielberg of Indian cinema who loves history Yeah, yeah, he's different than Steven because Steven I think does a lot more commercial style films a lot But a lover a lover of things historic for sure. Manny. I feel like is more Not even though his films are commercially successful I feel like they're not as big and commercial as like obviously Jurassic Park E.T. Obviously all those those things Yeah, but I feel like in terms of like his clout or his respect amongst people and his The amount of people he's inspired all around. Yeah. Yeah He is he is that of indian cinema. Yeah, I agree And I one of the the differences I see consistently between all of the south industries versus the hindi industry Is that the south industries and it was evidenced here in the panel Consistently talk about tell your story focus on story box offices and material Other than let my producers not lose a penny and let's ensure we have enough money to make another film we want to make Consistently what I hear in hindi from everyone in the industry is box offices king It's the most important thing the other thing I I heard and It's interesting that while yes post pandemic the things that have made the most money of the juggernauts and the big Sensational especially right. Yeah, but this isn't a new thing The idea of a blockbuster and epic film began with jaws. Yeah, but the fact that I mean There were a few films a while ago internationally You know, I think everybody may have forgotten these avenger films Those were quite big spectacles that did really well at the box office the fact that post pandemic Um, well, I guess after the essential pandemic, right? Um The stuff that did work before like all the The kind of yes eushman style films right in terms of they have a message. Yes Didn't or at least haven't worked until more recently Uh at the box office But I think there's a multi factor to that the first one is the fear of getting back into the theaters And you need to be drawn for something that's big Secondarily a lot of the films that would fall into the say the parallel side or the more artsy side Come against something in india that they don't come against Here in america or a lot of the western film industries and that's the censorship board. Yeah, they just inherently go ott because One of two reasons they think well Folks are a little bit hesitant to come to the theater unless it's a big thing because a lot of the folks are Still a little uncomfortable coming out into the public that's that's gone away But the larger issue is especially for people who are writing things predominantly for artistry is Is my film going to get chopped up so much that I am going to need to release it on ott The last thing I wanted to mention and she asked a great question was about Women and the way that they're represented One of the challenges not just in india, but in all over the world is that particularly when you're telling stories from history The sad reality is if you wanted to tell a movie for example about any of the presidents of the united states None of them were women If you're going to tell a story about any of the teams who battled in professional sports in america And won the world series or won the super bowl or won the mba title or won the stanley cup It's all men If you're going to tell stories about people who did heroic things in world war two or the korean war and were on the front lines Was all men So the ones who would know those stories better than anybody or women who say you know what there's a lot of stories about women That need to be told or we're just going to create something that's of a fiction And let them helmet and the big problem is not a lot of men want to produce that you need more Margot robbies and and more gretta gerwigs who are willing to produce the things they want to make absolutely. Yeah, because Though obviously the women actors directors have been there always It's just they they don't get the voice But thankfully you do have names now that have the voices like the zoas who You know Not only is going to get the money, but she's going to maintain creative control. Yeah just Duplicate that over and over again Uh Another one that's doing great work into production producing a um anushka. Sharma. Anushka shy That's who i was just going to say is an enormous a great producer Uh, always love whatever she but it but we've just all mentioned names that are in the hindi industry Yep, we we need to know some of the names in the south industry as quickly that are are creating stories and producing films that are women Uh, the Bengali thing we just saw um, she is Konkana's mother. Yes, uh She's still around and I believe yes, she's producing. I believe they work as you are correct. Um, that would be Bengali industry or hindi I don't know. Yeah what she does predominantly, but um All these like in terms of like the box office success that that he had in kanthara that I think I think you can correct me if I'm wrong I think he said I had the smallest budget pan india film Yeah, yeah Which because of the success that that film had the kanata film industry is just in terms of box off of it's alone Yeah, it's an insane it very much reminds me of something i'm going to be talking about Tomorrow i'm starting a 30 minute thing on my youtube channel live called for the love of the craft And i'm going to be specifically referring to a comment a long comment someone made That is related to ai, but it's also related to some of the things that differentiate motivations of filmmakers that were talked about here and Corbin and I will always If you want to just go do something to make money That's your prerogative go do it to make money when it comes into the realm of art form It it always speaks to the more if I can coin the word elevative The higher level humanity Meaning i'm talking about the humanities To to be creating something humanities. Yes the human humanities to be creating something for the the purpose of artistic expression and fine artistry And then you hope You're able to recoup cost and if you make a profit that's even better because then you can take that profit and make something else Again, but that's not the arbiter and if there's somebody in the hindi industry who can tell you that it's on your akashia He's a great example of somebody who he makes films because he wants to make films He's he's not making films because he's looking for those to be big box office Yeah, I think he actually has mostly the biggest failures of all time Yeah, I think most of us and some of the greatest motion pictures made in indian cinema So great interviews great panel that was fun that that 40 minutes of part one and two went Really really quick use it. Okay. So this is the film that that I was talking about. Yeah Which a lot of people really enjoy say it's one of the better films of the year Oh, we're gonna get to it. I just haven't yet.  So we've seen that director vada chanay Oh, I didn't know he was part of the producer for jolly kato. Yeah I'm trying to see if there's oh, why do I know that? Why do I know that? One of the things though another point on the women one of the things that all of the men can do in those industries Who have power like a monty rotten them or anybody on that panel One of the things they can do Is give power to women that they know ought to be in positions of power Because far too often there are like they said a lot of women out there But sadly they won't be given the positions of power because the men are withholding it. Yeah And I feel like the mali element industry does actually a very good job because they Have we've always said always have focused at least in our eyes More on the content than anything. Yeah That's it's very evident in the work and they also don't have a lot of the mass success in terms of like Which is crazy because I think they've made some of the best films. We've seen out of India. They really have But in terms of like the pan india success they haven't had as much as the other industries No, india or the tamalu to lugo canada now obviously And I know not yet. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I think We saw an interview with pravathi was it that said this he said we're we're going to get in a panel Yeah, he did like I have no doubt that we're going to get it absolutely And I think with the success that mali um hasn't the fact that everybody now knows that That industry makes great stories. I know the fact that The battle of bras wasn't like one of the biggest films pan india right s s's right of the years insane to me Or jai jai jai. Hey, you know, I know like in especially in kerala Very successful all of them. But um, the fact that they're not like these pan india successes. Yeah With such great stories great acting great And just entertaining films. Yeah, uh, but they're I feel like they're gonna get there and the majority of people here Do think the way we did prior to january of 2019 We assumed actually way past that. Yeah, we we assumed for all of our lives That indian cinema was called bollywood. We had no idea there was more than one industry and we assumed everybody in india spoke hindi Yep, it's it's an ignorance thing because it's just ignorance hungarians speak Some language Swedish speak Sweden the italian speak italian like I was saying before it's it's not common for us Especially with anything we see in the west Because it is opposite size of the planet and anything, you know Neighbors to india We know that the chinese speak chinese, but most americans just think about two versions of chinese. That's all don't they speak mandarin Yeah, they don't they don't they don't under the japanese. What do they speak? Japanese, what do germans speak german?  I feel like gay lick. I know Oh, that's a gay lick. Yeah, it is perfect But it's just ignorance that everyone i've ever encountered there isn't one person I've encountered over the last five years Who had the same misconceptions we do born out of ignorance that when shone didn't go Oh, I didn't know that and changed it. Nobody goes now. I'm calling it hindi. It's funny Remember my film club was a while ago if you saw our panel a discussion of rr when I made them all go see it in theaters and they all loved it obviously, but um It's somebody had and I I I'd shown them any indian films and I've talked to them about it and the fact that there's different industries and that This is not a bollywood film right and one of them after the film one of the friends asked So how was that bollywood film film and he said bollywood that's not bollywood So you can teach people and they can and they can teach other people And you know what else will help is when places like netflix don't dub to lugu films With hindi and make it the primary selection on their platform English or stupid idiots That doesn't help quite infuriating when that happens. Yeah, uh anyways great panel As always, uh, let us know what other Um panels give us more interviews we should react to and also for these four directors here and actors What should be their next film? So we have a whole bunch of money rotten them stuff to get to Basil joseph I think is a very talented actor and director agreed Or shetty as well. I know he is um new films coming out So for all of them and that other one I told you we will watch out of that domo film I can't pronounce the name of it I've heard a lot of good stuff about it though. Um, so I can't pronounce it either. Uh, let us know down below


It should have it. Let me know if it didn't take, but I did give it to you. Hi! Oh, hi! Yeah, we're just doing our thing here, everyone, live on the videos. Lamar's here, Patrick's here. I just gave Roger control of the world. So if anything goes wrong in the next 40 minutes... You can blame Roger, although, you know, he dodged Brexit by just a couple of weeks, so he's not responsible for that. But if any other countries leave the EU in the next 40 minutes... Yeah, how convenient, Patrick, for you to step out. Were you in Sweden or somewhere? You got out just a time? I'm in Finland. Right now I'm in Finland. So you're in the Eurozone, but not the European Union in Finland? Oh, yeah. No, no, no. Finland joined the European Union the second time. Oh, it is. Who is it? Norway that's not... Yeah, Norway. Oh, okay. Sorry. My apologies to Finland for confusing them with Norway. I think that's fine. Basically, what you have to remember about Finland is that everything they do is because of Russia, everything. Well, because they're attached to Russia. Like, it's... At the hip, yeah. Yeah, they don't have a big body of water slicing up between them and Russia. So the moment they had like a couple of years where Russia was in disarray, they were like, ah, quick, quick, quick! Hi, EU! Hi, you guys. It's Scandinavian countries in still. Nice to see you guys. Remember us? Yeah. So. What if the U.S.... No, I'm just not... Join the EU. Why even bother? No, I was just being silly, and then I realized like people get really weird about... Yeah, yeah. No, or, or, or the EU could become the 52nd state of the... People made that about the UK. Like, let's admit a UK as a state. What if they admitted the EU as a state? Aha! There you go. That would be interesting. That won't get anyone upset talking about that. I could tell you one thing. We wouldn't elect Trump. That is for sure. Well, but you'd only have so many... I wonder how many electoral votes you'd have. That's true. Well, let's say with the eurozone, 450 million people. Yeah. I mean, you'd have to recalculate the whole thing though, because there's only 435 electoral votes. They have to be divided by population. But everybody gets at least three. Is it by population? Yeah. And everybody gets three. There's a minimum. Because you get one for your senators and one for your representatives. So you always get three. And then you get more based on population if you have a higher population. How many people in the U.S.? That's a lot for... I need to realize... There is 533. Not 433. 326. 326 million people. Okay. So this is born in Europe Union. Wow. Okay. That's interesting. Yeah. I always assumed we just had some of the most people. Besides the really big countries. We're the third largest country in the world in terms of population and geographic size. Got it. All right. Let's get this party started, where we will not be talking about the Electoral College, despite my better judgment. We'll talk about college students playing a game. Yeah, we will. That's great. Maybe some of them attend the Electoral College? Probably. Maybe they do. Not that kind of college. But maybe they do. Maybe they're Electoral... Electorors. All right. Here we go. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, July 12, 2016. I'm Tom Merritt joining me today. Patrick Meija, as he does most Tuesdays. How are you, sir? I'm okay. I'm okay. Do you know why I'm not excellent? Why are you not excellent? Yeah. Tell me. Because I'm not currently testing the new character on Overwatch that was just released. And the only thing I would forgo trying that new character in the game that I love is to do DTNS. It's the only reason I would. My gosh. We're going to make you do the show on the launch of World of Warcraft League of Legion. Legion. Yeah. League of Legion. League of Legion. Later, though. Let's not think about that now. Yeah. So we really, really appreciate Patrick's loyalty. Also joining us and not out collecting Pokemons is Lamar Wilson from youtube.com slash Lamar Wilson. How are you, sir? I'm good. First of all, you sound like an old aunt saying Pokemons. And Patrick, it's all about Soldier 76. Well, I like, let's talk about tech use instead. I don't know if Patrick takes off with that one. I know. I know. I know. I know he has opinions. There's a whole podcast about that. Well, later this month, Google's going to roll out Google Play Family Library, which lets up to six people share apps, videos and books in one Google Play account. Now, some more top stories. Google has reached an agreement with UK Carrier 3 to join Sprint, T-Mobile and US Cellular as the network's powering Project FI. That's their MVNO wireless service, their cell phone service. Project FI, because of this partnership, will now offer the fastest coverage available when its subscribers travel internationally. Previously, when you traveled internationally, you got the same data that you would get, but it was down to 2G, which was good enough for email and maps. Now you'll get, like, if they've got LTE where you are at, you're going to get LTE. And the price is not going up right now. Project FI is $20 a month for unlimited calls and texts, $10 a month per gigabyte of data that you use. If you use more, they just charge you $10. There's no overage fees. They just knock you up to the next round. And they give you refunds for unused amounts. Service only works with select Android phones now. But this morning, fellows, because I am headed off to Japan and Korea at the end of August, I immediately signed up for Project FI and plugged in my Nexus 5X to get ready to have that so I could get the fastest internet when I'm traveling. So you get 2G internationally in any country? Well, clearly that has 2G, but they have deals with everyone to get 2G everywhere? They had that... No, that was the old way, Patrick. Right, right. Now you get whatever they have. In the UK. If they have 3G, though, you get 3G. If they have LTE, you get LTE. Right, but just in the UK, I'm thinking about... No, internationally, everywhere. How?  So 3 provides them coverage in Europe beyond just the UK, but they also worked out deals with other carriers for roaming agreements. I might want a subscription to that, too. You see why I signed up. No, but I might become an Android user occasionally if that's a nightmare. The roaming fees are still a nightmare, so that might become useful. All right, moving on. Oculus announced it has filed all its pre-orders and now can ship new rifts within 2-4 business days. Amazing! It's a revolution. It's in stock at Amazon and coming to Microsoft and Best Buy as well. No news on the Oculus Touch controller, though, other than it is still expected this year. Oculus also announced its developer conference, Oculus Connect, will take place October 5th through 7th in San Jose, California. San Jose, I should say. Application, Tom, you were going to correct me on the pronunciation, weren't you? Just keep going, man. It's all good. Applications for the conference will open August 2nd at OculusConnect.com. No, yeah, so this is cool. Oculus, as you sort of pointed out, has actually filled its orders. So HTC and Oculus are on the even playing ground now. You can order something from them and you will get it in a timely fashion.  I hate to say it. I'm glad you said that because I feel like I'm just a bad technology user because I don't use them as much as I should. I bought them merely to review them and be able to say this is how they work, which I have fulfilled, but I haven't been drawn back into them. Do you see the box behind me? That is literally my HTC Vive. It's been sitting there a month. I have not unboxed it yet because I wasn't excited about the riffs, so I'm like, I don't know. The Vive is fun though because you're standing up and moving around. Okay, that sounds fun. You should definitely check out Patrick's episode with Aaron Carson last week because they go through all of the comparisons of these. And basically, the Vive is the one that she would recommend between the rift and the Vive. But what's really interesting to me is the Connect conference is going to take place early October. That's barely a week before the PlayStation VR is released. So I think it might get people talking about VR again a little bit and then the PlayStation VR is released. It's a cheaper, more accessible option. I mean, I'm just looking for reasons to... Yeah, if they were to come out with the controller during the conference, which is the October 5th through the 7th, that would beat the PlayStation VR to the market, which is coming out October 13th. I think, yeah. More VR discussions coming in the future. Is it illegal in the United States to share your Netflix password now? You will see headlines telling you that. You'll even see whole articles arguing that, and they're not totally without basis on July 5th, the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that after leaving executive search firm, Corn Fairy, a man named David Nozzle violated the U.S. Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which prevents unauthorized access of computers, because he asked an employee who was still at the firm he had left to give him her user ID and password so he could access records from the company. Now, the majority opinion stated we are ruling that he did violate the U.S. Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and, quote, this appeal is not about password sharing. They dismissed the concerns about that as hypotheticals about the dire consequences of criminalizing password sharing. They said that's not what this case is about. This is about this particular man doing this in this particular case. However, one of the judges dissented and wrote, this case is about password sharing. Hence the confusion. He said that this would make millions into unwitting federal criminals. So in the end, what the law does is leave the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act up for interpretation in the subject of future litigation, just like it was before this case. It really doesn't mean people are going to come and prosecute you for sharing your Netflix password, nor does it eliminate the confusion of whether they could someday in some particular case. If they come after my grandmother for giving me my HBO Go account, I would be very upset because she doesn't use it. So that's how you might be able to... Well, they would come after you for getting it, for accessing it because it's not your account. Right? So your grandma should be... So her baby would go to jail. Yeah, her grandbaby. Well, and that's the problem with the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. It's worded so broadly. We've talked about many other objections from researchers about this as seemingly innocuous, as violating of terms of service by sharing a password that you're not supposed to, a federal crime. And that's not right. But this case, even though they said, well, we're going to say that sharing the password is illegal, tried to say, but only because he was a former employee of this firm trying to access proprietary materials which he wasn't supposed to access. But at the same point, they ruled that the sharing of the password was illegal. So researchers could look at this, but it isn't clear. It's still very up in the air. It's definitely the broad way it's written is a concern and has been a concern. So that doesn't change. But beyond that, it really seems sort of nitpicky to take this case and even if it is about the password sharing, trying to apply it to things like Netflix.  There's no reason or basis or anything for anyone to come and prosecute you for sharing your Netflix. Netflix has said Netflix terms of service say you can't share the password, but Reed Hastings has said he doesn't really mind that much. So yeah, Netflix isn't going to go out and prosecute you, but maybe HBO will. Maybe MLB.TV will. Maybe somebody else will and they'll be able to rely on this as a precedent. Okay, fair enough. Well, Oh, sorry, go ahead. No, no, I'll say oh boy to this next story. Go ahead. All right. The U.S. Federal Trade Commission has settled with Warner Brothers over claims the company paid YouTube influencers for video game coverage without disclosing the payments to viewers. For example, PewDiePie was paid to cover Middle Earth Shadow of Mordor. Warner Bros. has had required one tweet or Facebook post and videos that could not show the game in a negative light. Warner Brothers must not fail to disclose similar deals in the future. So it's definitely a slap on the wrist here. They're not getting fined as far as I can tell. But they are being embarrassed in public in that they're saying hey, you paid these people to say positive things about your game and you didn't admit that you were paying them. The bigger concern though is on the influencers' sides in my opinion though, isn't it? Well, Lamar, yeah, I'm curious what you think of that. This is close to hard because I'm an influencer and I do brand deals very similar to this. I just have to say you're right. Warner Brothers is the one that gets slapped, but it's the influencers that shows not to disclose to hide it from their audiences and not only didn't put the information in the description but all they had to do was verbally say this video is sponsored by Warner Brothers. Thank you so much for providing the game or financial support. I do a lot of brand deals. If you're honest, the audience in general doesn't give you any crap about it. I have done several over the last year and I could barely find a comment that says sell out whatever because I'm honest about it. I just say hey, this is sponsored. Thanks so much. This is helping me do my job a little better by getting some extra money. I never understand why, especially big YouTubers, why they feel like they have to hide that they're getting paid.  They know you get paid to do this just say it. Just say it that you're getting paid. I think there are a couple of things. A lot of those YouTubers, it's a lot in the video game industry and as many people know I used to work for Blizzard Entertainment and we did do some sponsorship deals which to my knowledge all of them were clearly labeled as part in partnership with or whatever but a lot of the influencers we worked with in France in particular were initially I mean in France and other countries I shouldn't single out France. They were reluctant because I think they were a lot younger and their audiences were really young and they felt like the trust would be breached which is ironic because they were actively betraying the trust by not saying it but they felt like this is the kind of thing it would be difficult for them to recover from and it would sort of that kind of relationship wasn't jiving with the sort of image they were trying to project and I think it does come from the fact that it was younger viewers. Now again another ironic aspect was that it seems most people in the audiences when asked or when they realized because these stories have been coming up more and more recently they said that they not only did they not care but they didn't understand what the big deal was and they were fine with them getting paid so I think it was a big growing up moment for the entire industry. It's very important that these things are made clear in the future and hopefully this will help bring that forward. Yeah, I mean as long as it's not a situation where like this Shadow of Mordor if Pewdiepie previously said he hated the game, he couldn't stand that this is the worst franchise that all of a sudden he's like hey guys we're going to play Shadow of Mordor today it's the best game that kind of scenario, yeah the audience is going to tear you a new one for that but you could be balanced and say hey talk about the positives of the game the audience is smart, a lot of them are young but they're smart and they understand how this works I don't buy the theory now presently that they don't understand how the brand deals work because that's why it just confuses me why to this day there's still people who are hiding this I don't think it's happening now, I think the big issues were three, oh maybe it is it's happening a lot in the tech channels a lot of them do not disclose that they're either getting paid or got it free and it doesn't matter like just say hey so so send me this free, cool the audience will actually like man that's cool they'll be a little jealous and like hey the guy I watch gets stuff free it's just how you play the game with the audience that's all, well it's the law even more than how you play the game I think that's what's interesting here by the way is that yes Patrick is right the youtuber creators themselves should make this very clear and many of them did put it in show more on the youtube description some of them didn't even do that which Warner Brothers had asked them to do but it is the responsibility of the sponsor to enforce that and to say no we really need you to do this because we're liable to the FTC for it and I know that the Nintendo is very hard on that, they're overly ain't owned about that now which is good, they don't want to get fined and my wife works for youtube researchers from the University of California Berkeley and Georgetown University have developed voice commands that cannot be heard by humans but can be understood by phones the commands are delivered in a low pitch and hidden in background noise that will stop you as a human from being able to distinguish it but work well with the noise canceling algorithms of say a Google or a Siri and in fact in their intent, in their test Google's assistant was the best at picking these things out of the noise which meant that they could fool it versus Siri it depends on the room, the quality of the speaker the distance between the speaker and the phone so even though they were able to do it that doesn't mean it would be easy to deploy out into the world however it's significant that they can do it at all and the research will be presented at the Useniks security symposium in August that was super interesting if you go watch the video basically you can hear what the instructions sound like and as it's mentioned in the article it's what is it BBC it basically sounds like a Dalek it's very frightening and very scary type of speech, deformed speech and they also mentioned that this could be used as an attack by embedding it in a YouTube video for example that you run in the background and it just calls on your phones while you're watching for it but you're not even yes that was good yeah not bad but yeah it's kind of I think it's still kind of theoretical, again super interesting I think the solution to this and to many many other issues that we have with this these virtual assistants that many people forget to mention when we're talking about these problems is adapt the recognition of the keyword to the voice of the owner and that's something I believe Apple has started doing with Siri I'm sure everyone's working on it and that would fix so many of all of these problems including your phone going off when someone says the keyword in a podcast yeah that and in the meantime until they develop that you should also have the companies that make these give you the option to put them behind authentication and say Siri won't go off Google won't go off until I have used my thumb print or put in my password so that if the phone's just sitting there idle it can't be activated I know that that makes it less useful and Patrick's solution is the most elegant solution but until we get to that one this is one that could be implemented today and all of that said the researchers are at pains to point out like no we don't think people could do this yet in the wild there's just too many variables it's too hard to get the perfect situation but that doesn't mean we shouldn't start thinking about it and it's absolutely an important type of research that we didn't really think about that kind of because it's really on the verge between what a human can understand and what a computer can understand and who knows how in what ways this could be expanded in the future so a couple more top stories before we get to our main topic of Pokemon Go ZD Nets married Joe Foley reports Microsoft announced it'll make Windows 10 Enterprise E3 available as a subscription for $7 per user per month that's its lower end enterprise they will eventually make E5 available as a subscription as well per device licensing will also continue to be available if you don't want to subscribe Microsoft also announced Surface as a service allowing businesses to lease surface devices along with Office 365 and Windows 10 new program will launch initially with a company called also a European Cloud Solutions provider but it will be eventually offered by more companies as well just significant to see Microsoft taking those steps as we expect to become a provider of services and a subscription provider versus a per unit Windows sales makes all of our money provider everything as a service basically that's the motto for everyone now Pokemon as a service and Magic Leap chief executive Ronnie Abavitz told an audience at the Fortune Magazine conference in Aspen that Magic Leap has hired 600 employees and is close to starting production of its first mixed reality products Abavitz also said Magic Leap will open a developer lab in the San Francisco area he said consumer applications will come first but the company is already investigating business and medical uses so to be clear Magic Leap announced today it's still close to doing something publicly but it isn't yet but they love they love what those Pokemon people are doing and that's great stuff but we don't have anything both Magic Leap and HoloLens today have stories where they're like our thing would be great for Pokemon Go because augmented reality is what we've been doing for a long time and when our product finally becomes commercially available it's going to be awesome for that yeah so I'm done with Magic Leap pre announcement just get something or stop talking that's it hey thanks to everybody who supported us in the subreddit by submitting a story or voting on stories at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com special thanks to Loki Robert, another Jay Martin the Coralie, Martin Rojas McWin UXIT Jonzee776, Abatwela Kondilse and more you can be one of those too just head to dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and join on in that's a look at the top stories now we mentioned yesterday how on iOS particularly it seemed like you were giving Google full permission or I'm sorry giving Niantic full permission to access your Google account if you chose to login with a Google account and that creating a Pokemon Trainer account was almost impossible because the servers were so swamped so you had to make a choice between letting Pokemon have the chance to read your email and look at your Google Docs or not playing Pokemon Go Niantic Labs came out with a statement that said that was never our intention to get full access to Google accounts it was a bug the company says it hasn't used its permission it promises it hasn't accessed anything beyond basic profile information and the app has now been updated so that it will only ask for access to user ID and email address I confirmed this I did it myself I updated the app I changed my permissions now my security settings at Google say Pokemon Go only has access to basic profile information so you should download that update sign out, sign back in and you should be able to change those permissions the bug appeared to only affect iOS users though Android users did see a long list of permissions beyond just profile information so I'm curious if they're going to fix that as well neither company has addressed why Google system would allow full access to any app that had not notified the user of the request so before we go into the wider Pokemon Go situation I feel like Niantic did the right thing in fixing this but I still want to know why this happened at all in the first place yeah I was pretty terrified it's probably not the right word I was definitely concerned about this because I just use my regular Gmail account that happens to be hooked into my YouTube that happens to be hooked into my AdSense where I make a living and I'm just picturing once I read about this a big data dump just happening who's to say that it's just a one big dump didn't happen of a thousand millions of people Google says it has not happened but in theory it could have and I just thought it was incredibly irresponsible on both parties Google should never have allowed that kind of access and Niantic shouldn't have asked for it and I think the most upsetting part is that because they love the Pokemon game just glossed over the security part that's the part that kind of bothered me about users we still have a long way to go to talk about security with normal people so yeah I agree with the second part definitely people just giving access just because they want to play Pokemon it didn't ask you in many cases and that's the part that really upsets me is how is it that an app can get those permissions when an actual pop-up never said is it okay to give these permissions to Google that's bad implementation on Google's part too Niantic yeah that's true and maybe let's count our blessings that it happened with apparently a benevolent team like this and probably I wouldn't be surprised that if Google changes the way they do these things I'm wondering if it was in the code to request that the access if it was like a variable one was asking for name and variable if you set it to two it was asking for everything so maybe someone did it it's actually really easy when developing an app to ask for more permissions than you need but it still should ask right it still should come up with that page and did not come up for a lot of people I swear I saw it when I first logged in but I removed access and then signed in again and I was able to sign in without ever seeing anything saying do you want to give it full access do you think this is a problem with because you know Facebook has a sign in Google has a sign in Twitter has authentication do you think it's a problem with those services you think about it this is similar to how Mark Zuckerberg and the Google CEO got hacked it was these connections with other accounts it makes you wonder they're different things I don't think this means Google's login system is insecure because I still had to put in my password and my two factor authentication and all of that that all worked fine what it happened was it then gave it access to all of the Google things which was not fine so yeah it kind of rides that borderline of like it's still secure but once it once you let it in the gate it was doing things you didn't think it was supposed to do and that makes me nervous about ever using Google as an authenticate basically there should be no way for anyone to access this level of information without actively giving it maybe you should even actively tap on each element of the thing or on the dangerous element to understand that you're at the very least it should display let's talk a little bit about the popularity of Pokemon Go before we finish this if you don't know what it is ask your children but real briefly it is already 28 year old you install the app you go out into the real world it shows you on the map where things like Poke stops are where you can collect the balls that you need to throw at the little creatures to capture them and then you have to find the creatures in the real world so it makes you go out into the real world you can turn off the augmented reality view and play the game without actually seeing them in the real world and that'll save you some battery life actually but you still have to move to the places in the world to capture the Pokemon and that is what is proving to be so visibly popular about this last night my wife caught the bug because where she works is a huge gym with lots of Poke stops and easy reach so she started playing it and then when we went out to eat last night she said well wait can we stop over here and we didn't even get out of the car she was just pulling the car over to the side of the road where I told her there was a Poke stop and then she was collecting balls and collecting Pokemon and most of the places we stopped we saw other people in fact there is one place which is UCLA housing over here where all it is is just a sign that says here's the UCLA west side housing and there were like a dozen people standing around the sign looking at their phones capturing Pokemon and there was a gym there so they're probably battling with each other as well how did it get so popular Patrick do you have an idea well it's Pokemon first of all I think it's the it's for many people it's the game of the generation so I think as many others have pointed out had you called this game you know insect capture it would be that popular and you alluded to this with Veronica yesterday so I think that is 50% if not more of this and then so popular I think I'm going to have a little bit of a dissenting opinion so maybe I'll save that for later and be the contrarian let's hear from Lamar is it that simple Lamar are you out there catching Pokemon because you I am and I definitely have a story real quick let me just turn this volume down that I don't know how to turn that okay here we go so this is what people use to you know the 3DS Gameboy this is what was traditionally what you use and you can play with people if they happen to have one of these this is a buried entry this is a few hundred books and you have to buy the game and the games come on area and there's an expense to this you now have an app that is on your phone that is free and the buried entry is gone they made Pokemon simple so even if you're not a hardcore user that knows all of the variants and details your mom can get in this figure out the basis of it they simplify the game and you go out and just have fun it is crazy I was so interested in yesterday because I caught a few in my house and I said boy I have to go to the store to get some juice and and I used that as my excuse to walk to the store I never walked to the store I'm lazy and I walked to the store caught like 5 Pokemon I had a blast and I was safe I made sure they weren't in the street I wasn't standing in anywhere but it is interesting I saw a couple of people on their bikes who were doing the same thing I don't it's like the entire world is going out to catch Pokemon I don't know what it is maybe it's definitely generational there's a lot of people in the 20's who grew up on this and there's just people who are just interested in augmented reality this is a testament to how you roll out a new technology that making it dead simple to use Marcus could definitely learn a lesson here on how to do this it's a real augmented reality so yeah Patrick go ahead it's augmented reality but I think on that to me it feels a little bit like motion gaming it's gimmicky it feels the augmented reality part of it feels relatively gimmicky you could have the exact same game with a map displayed with markers on the map and you should walk to the marker and capture it it will work the exact same way I don't think it brings anything to the gameplay maybe a little bit to the experience to see your Pokemon you know around but not much beyond it but let me ask you the app is not available in Europe unfortunately so I couldn't try it is there some other can you battle other trainers is there some deeper gameplay element to it yeah when you reached level 5 are you level 5 Lamar? I'm almost at 4 I'm a little late to the game I couldn't download it for the whole weekend but Patrick you can battle and I don't know if you can trade yet but there is a trade function built in but it's not active yet and they say they want to be very careful with the economy of the system before they launch that yeah and it is a free to play game there is an element obviously if you want to play a little faster you can spend money for buying gold and coins to buy Pokeballs and things obviously that's where they're going to make their money but you don't have to pay to enjoy playing the game it's just like any Clash Royale or any of those type of games if you pay you enjoy it faster but you don't have to so okay the concern I have about the craze is that first of all it came so fast it's really difficult to get your mind to go to well is it going to disappear as fast and I don't think it's going to disappear for everyone but I don't see it having the staying power with all of the people that are using it now I think there might be a core of people that are going to be really interested in continuing to play the game in the same way that you know a lot of people are comparing it to Foursquare in the same way that you had people going bananas on Foursquare and having to sign everywhere and all of this but I will reserve judgment on the staying power of the game in general until I've seen the gameplay elements because these kinds of things if you don't have compelling gameplay they don't hold up and that has been the problem for many of these apps and I do worry that this is beyond the nostalgia factor if there isn't a compelling game it's going to disappear because this isn't that different from Ingress but people saw Ingress and were like ooh it looks military, ooh I have to go outside there's a lot of barriers to entry, maybe I won't play they have a very enthusiastic niche audience and they're very successful because of that but Pokemon said we're going to put Pokemons on here and suddenly everyone's piling over that barrier because people younger than me grew up with Pokemon and it's got that whole nostalgia play if you have the constant server issues that you have several times when we were playing it last night we just had to kill the app and start over again and that was not fun we didn't get the satisfaction that's going to say well maybe I won't go outside because I have to go outside and I have to deal with server issues even when they get the server issues fixed is that going to that could be a problem for people which is why they haven't launched it outside of these three markets I think they want to fix all of that stuff the way I would ask it is would you go out to the store in one month to get another Pokemon on the mark Tom would you stop the car so Eileen can get her Pokemon look I wouldn't have stopped the car last night if Eileen had won you're asking that it's a good question I mean I played I thought the same thing with Clash Rowan and I ended up playing it three or four months and now my interest is kind of waning as new games are coming in but I think yeah the craze is going to die down because it has to die down nothing is this sustainable but what Pokemon is doing in Myantic they're putting out a wide net and they're going to filter out the people who are just in it just for the craze and they're going to end up with a bunch of people that they didn't have before they're not only paying customers but maybe sustainable gamers and look we could be cynical about it but man we got gamers who are finally going outside you got people who are meeting people in groups and making friends and I think on a social level with all the stuff that's happening around the country it came out at a good time I just think it was just a nice distraction from all this stuff we've been dealing with as a country not to say it's going to make our problems go away but it brings some people some happiness they get to play a game make some friends and yeah there's always going to be the thing about the criminal element people get mugged all the time in anything so it's like I don't buy into those stories it's like oh you can't go play because you'll get like anything be aware of your surroundings if you're doing it at a gym location that has a lot of other people you can all kind of watch out for each other absolutely I think it's a great thing I look forward to it worldwide but it's Pokemon it's not going anywhere it's not I don't think it's going anywhere at all it's going to build up to be a great thing well so if anything even if I tried to be a contrarian Ingress which this game is basically based on did have a core following of people that were actively playing it a lot all the time and I can't imagine that Pokemon would have less of a following than Ingress an obscure app not even that it was obscure but it had to be built from the ground up this already has people who love the TV show or the movies or the game itself already just to finish up and also it did bring Pokemon Awareness to a much wider public which Nintendo is going to benefit ultimately as well so it's absolutely even if it doesn't say as crazy as it is now which you're right Lamar and it's probably positive for everyone and I think it's a good thing and I forgot my thought while you remember it it's such a good one Eric on Twitter had suggested that our in-house in audience I should say Vegas employee Medzula give us some odds on Pokemon Go's lasting and Medzula on Twitter duly responded Pokemon Go hysteria has 8 days left decent use has until August 1st then it will fall back to the niche gamers like Patrick's talking about ah okay there you go there's your over under I think that's going to end yeah yeah I will probably not play it forever but I think Patrick you're absolutely right and Lamar you're absolutely right like it's Pokemon it's going to continue to have an audience it will depend on what kind of stuff they add into it to make it interesting as it keeps going I know I was going to say that I feel so bad for the Windows phone users they had an acute little petition change.org please let us play please make this for Intel processors yeah come on yeah they're out there don't forget about them you know William Madison from blindinsight.com sent us an email he says look I understand I'm totally excited about Pokemon Go and this public service announcement may not apply to most people though you may want to study the research on attention and multitasking but if you're out and about playing Pokemon Go and you notice blind individuals in your neighborhood or downtown areas please look up from your device regularly to avoid hurting yourself or another person or getting a cane tangled between your legs and hurting yourself be aware of your surroundings as we were saying considerate and show compassion to others while you're having fun capturing Pokemon pass this along to the kids you know as well so he's saying don't he's not saying don't do it he's not saying don't have fun do it but he's like hey remember there's people who can't see you stand in there in certain cases so just be aware it's another one of those public service announcements just be aware of your surroundings it seems that applies not only to Pokemon Go but you know Twitter and any other app as well yeah absolutely well thank you Lamar Wilson for joining us it was great having you as always remind people where they can find more Lamar Wilson yes sir so you go to youtube.com Lamar Wilson I do a I want to say near daily because I'm pumping them out out in the last couple weeks unboxing videos of various products whether it's you know games gadgets levitating speakers which I think are like my favorite thing to do yeah so this week we got some Amiibo coming up Nintendo product which people are interested in and I guess this HTC Vive at some point it's got to go out of the box that time back come on sometimes 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only kind of she has yeah it makes sense yeah yeah we need some titles I like the my favorite right now is got a patch of them all yeah it's pretty good Warner Brothers PewDieLide just PewDieLide I think would work too but it's not the main topic gotta patch them all is perfect unless you got any other favorites you want to give a shout out to Roger Rome 5 if you want to they're missing if Rome 5 because it's like Rome if you want to they're working hard and then Pokemon as a service Rome 5 you want to because if it's if backwards they're really pushing that one gotta patch them all let's go with that exploit 8 that one you have to say but it really works would you say I've always wanted to have a commercial for a skincare product with the dollar saying exfoliate exfoliate exfoliate exfoliate that's funny get soft our skin yeah why isn't that a commercial I would exfoliate after hearing it yeah and they're always you know trying to make the products the beauty and health products for men like super manly and different from like the soft and beautiful women products if they did it with these kinds of things everyone would yeah cause I was since the danger I would have to do it I need some skitter I'm going to exterminate exactly Alex so it wasn't in your story but one of the funniest stories about the pokemon thing was in bill v washington police respond to 911 calls of people screaming in a park around 1130 they run out like cars blazing everywhere and they come out discover just 100 plus pokemon players like really happy to be playing they're like oh my gosh I got squirt all yeah people like and they're like oh my god is somebody getting killed like what's going on it's like you can't make the stuff but police hate this game I know they do they just gonna make their life again I don't know I have you can't tell which of these are urban legends in which they aren't right now but I heard a story about a guy who said he was with one other person playing pokemon go in a park and a policeman came up and said hey what you guys doing here like he was gonna bust him for drugs and they're like no seriously we're just playing pokemon made him show it to him and then he was like wow that's really cool I'm gonna download that play with my kid and he like added it to the policeman added it to his phone right then that could have happened it's a great story I don't it could have happened totally yeah and there yeah there's so many there's so many of these crazy stories and I've been reading about all these stories but when we pulled up to that UCLA housing sign and there was just all like little kids with their parents and all these other people on bikes like stationary on their bikes but they'd obviously rode over to the next stop I was like wow this is unusual this is a phenomenon this is the thing people are like remember back in the teens when pokemon go was the craze but if somebody has never heard of this and they just see like hundred people staring down at a phone like this they have to like imagine they have to like oh is this the night of the walking dead or like what is what is going like I would feel a little scared we were at one stop in the car and we were we were waiting for it to load because the server issues are so inconsistent and we kept saying like we'd see people walking up with their phones and we're like texting or pokemon and we could tell because if they stopped at where the pokey stop was we're like a pokemon person gotcha all right it's kind of fun it's kind of crazy I'm gonna do what you said because I just did the update so I'm gonna log out I don't know how to log out I'm gonna figure out it usually just logs out for me yeah I know so like wait a minute how do I how do I log out so when you get it in France Patrick it's all gonna be fixed all the server issues are gonna be smooth it's gonna be amazing apparently it's very easy to get it from the Australian store but I can't be bothered well that was one of the things I was going to talk about but we had so much to talk about was in China there's a there's a replacement app there's malware apps out there yet to be aware of but there's a legitimate replacement app that's that's number one in the app store in China right now because the official pokemon app isn't there yet wow so did you have a battery saver option oh yeah you gotta go yeah all right thanks Patrick you gentlemen enjoy your day let's see you man gotta catch them all bye he gotta catch some z's probably yeah probably so yeah there's an option in here now for a battery saver that probably turns out the augmented reality probably does yeah that's the thing I would like one thing a company who can get a license with pokemon is gonna make a bunch of money for one of those brick battery things that people carry around and they can stamp it with the official pokemon go approval sticker or whatever and have it nice and colorful so you people can carry that around to keep charging their phone up because I carry one around but like they do a branded pokemon one I'm just giving away like ideas here right yeah right you need to I should be dope the uh there was a cnet story about how to reduce your dependence on pokemon go already hasn't been out a week given to like break your addiction story and one of the tips was don't take extra batteries with you like if you if you want to limit your playing time don't bring the extra battery and then you'll have to deal okay so the permissions are know who you are in google and view email address that's it yeah so pro your your id and your email address but nothing else it's the opposite of what it was before yes you are good for monday right I uh I'm just checking the calibration because yeah absolutely and then are you would you be available either august second I'm gonna stop our broadcast when you guys talk about this it's hard to talk about schedules if you got private stuff going on so thanks everybody for watching I'll see you guys later