Hi, friend Irma. Hi, sweetie. What are you doing? Oh, they have an intelligence quiz in this magazine. I'm just checking my answers. An intelligence quiz? Yes. Jeanne, is Amadilla a country in South America? No, not lately. Wrong. Well, what about an enchilada? Is that a Mexican hat? No, honey. It's a Mexican dish, but you could put it on your head if you want to. Well, that's too I've got wrong. But I know this one I answered right. Pocahontas are the mountains of Pennsylvania for the Indians to go skiing. Correct, Jeanne? Well, that's where I have three wrongs. See, the next is identify the following. Lily ponds. That's the place where they grow flowers in the water. Gone. Now, the word to hear spelled L... Oh, I know what that is. That's a French boyfriend. French boyfriend? Yes. Lover. Oh, sure. Like in the song, Lover, come back to me. Cookie, in this class, how do they rate your intelligence? Oh, it's simple. If you get 10 out of 20, you're fair. 15 out of 20 is good, and 18 out of 20 is good. And 18 out of 20 is excellent. I see. How many did you get? 19. 19 right? 19 wrong. How many did you get right? None. I only answered 19. The 20th was too tough. Oh, too tough, huh? What's the question? Who invented the bell telephone? Yeah, yeah, well, that's really tough. It's almost as tough as what's the name of the Mississippi River. Irma, is this the first time you have tackled this intelligence quiz? No, I did it last month in the Modern Girl magazine. How'd you make out? They canceled my subscription.  Oh, but thank you. Oh, pardon me, Jane, it's just a little joke I made up because I'm so tickled. Tickled? You mean you didn't hear? What are you talking about? Haven't you noticed how quiet it is around here? Yeah, it is quiet. Sure. Now, when you hear a shrill sound, you know it's either the patrol wagon, an ambulance, or a fog horn, and not Mrs. O'Reilly singing Chloe. Well, what? I don't understand, Professor. They took Mrs. O'Reilly to jail. Yeah, well, what for? She was arrested for disturbing the peace. Well, what happened? Did she get into a fight? No, but not for fighting, for singing. For singing? Well, that's not disturbing the peace. It isn't. Did you ever hear her do a Swiss yodel? Yes, not only disturbing the peace, but Switzerland has been at peace for 500 years and starts issuing out ammunition. I still don't understand. Tell me what actually happened. Well, you know Mrs. Hogan. You mean the landlady in the next building? Yeah, yeah. She called the station house and put in a complaint against Mrs. O'Reilly. How do you like that? Well, she and Mrs. O'Reilly have been enemies ever since we've lived here. Yeah, that's right. You see, Mrs. O'Reilly and Mrs. Hogan are the same age, and they resent having either one around to remind the other that anybody could be that old. Well, you know, we can't just sit around while Mrs. O'Reilly's in jail. We've got to do something. Yeah, that's a good idea. Let's get up a petition to keep her there. Professor, now we know you don't mean that. Of course not, after all she did for you. Remember when you had double pneumonia and Mrs. O'Reilly used to come up every day and bring you hot soup? In no time at all, you were out of bed. Well, I had to get out of bed. That soup was killing me. Ali, we just heard about... Where are you? Oh, did they release you? Don't you worry about a thing. We'll take care of it. Goodbye. Who were she? What did she say? She's all right, but she's still being held by the police. Then why is she complaining? She's been trying for years to get a policeman to hold her. Professor, will you please be serious? She's got to have bail. We've got to help her. Bail? How much? $500. Well, we can't raise that much between us. Let's relax. We are safe. We don't have to raise $500. All we need is $25 for a bond. Let's see now, I've got 10. Irma, Jen, you know I'm broke. All right, all right. Here's $15. Thanks, Professor. I knew you'd come across. Well, I'm only doing good because Mrs. O'Reilly might start singing in jail, and I don't want they should have another prison riot on their hands. Mrs. O'Reilly, you can relax now.  Yes, thanks to you. Oh, it's such a comfort to know you have friends standing by that you can count on. Irma, Jane, and you, Professor. Oh, not please, Mrs. O'Reilly. Stop crying. Your mascara is running down all your wrinkles.  Stop interrupting. I'm trying to get the basic facts. Mrs. O'Reilly, what makes Mrs. Hogan dislike you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe it's because I'm younger and more attractive. Well, I have never seen Mrs. Hogan, but now I don't want to. You know, Mrs. O'Reilly, it looks to me like this woman is determined to make things tough for you. My advice would be to get a good lawyer. Oh, I will not. I'm not spending money on lawyers. But, Mrs. O'Reilly, you don't know anything about defending yourself? What if the judge wants to see your mandamus and you've got your corpus in your briefcase? How's that again? Huh? Oh, please, Jane, I work for a lawyer. I know all about courtroom procedures. Well, I'm not going to worry about the law. My plea will be umbilical and simple, and I'm convinced that my singing is art, and art should never be stifled. You've got a good point there, Mrs. O'Reilly. Just remind them that every singer has a style. Sinatra is a grown-up, and Johnny Ray is a crier, and you are the newest thing, a screecher. That's a fine way to talk. And I was counting on using you as a character with the semi-defense.  Oh, that's a very good idea, Jane. Come on, Mrs. O'Reilly. Why don't we go up to my room and chat a while? Well, why your room? Well, now, there is a chance you may have to go to jail, and after sitting in my room, your cell will seem like the walled off. Oh, Jane, I'm worried they'll take her away and we'll never see her again. Oh, now, Cookie, come on. It's not that bad. It's terrible, and I know where she'll be sent. All right, where? Leavenworth? Devil's Island? Brooklyn? Because she was singing. All right, I guess there's only one way to convince you. Here's a law book that your boss, Mr. Clyde, once left years ago for you to read. Remember, I'll read the passage on Disturbing the Peace. Okay? Oh, here it is. Disturbing the Peace, section 415 of the penal code. Every person who maliciously and willfully disturbs the peace or quiet of any neighborhood or person by loud or unusual noise or by tumultuous or offensive conduct or threatening, producing, quarreling, challenging to fight or fighting, or who on the public streets of any unincorporated town or upon the public highways run any horse race for a wage or two amount to any gain or profit in such unincorporated towns or use of vulgar, profane, or indecent language within the healing of woman or child in the loud and boisterous manner is guilty of a misdemeanor. Well, that's plain enough. What's plain? You might as well write a law to sing on the street. What's that got to do with Mr. Riley? Oh, Worma, please, if you don't mind, I'll go on, huh. Upon the conviction of any court of competent jurisdiction, the offender shall be punished by a fine of no more than $200 of iron prism and of no more than 90 days. Well, let's see, $200 for 90 days? Well, at least when you're in jail, the rent is cheap. Now, go to the trouble to read these things to you. Why don't you at least try to understand? This is very serious. Well, I know it isn't. I've got to do something. We can't let Mrs. Riley go to court without a lawyer. Oh, honey, you heard her. She doesn't want a lawyer. And look, Arma, you have one role to play in this thing if we're going to help Mrs. O'Reilly. What's that? Well, they'll probably call you as a character witness, and I want you to say that you have heard Mrs. O'Reilly sing many times, and the sound of her voice would best be described as the singing of a whippoorwill in the sunset. The sound of her voice would best be described as the singing of the whippoorwill in the sunset. Yeah, all right, Cookie. Now, I am the judge. Have you heard Mrs. O'Reilly sing? Yes, and it can best be described as the sound that comes. Yes? When somebody is whippoorwill in the woods yet. Oh, no. Oh, Miss Peterson. Miss Peterson. Yes, Mr. Clyde?  All right, sir. All righty. Mr. Gordon Young, I understand that you have ten heating units at your disposal. Since three of the heads are slightly cracked, I think your wife is talking through her hat when she asks that amount of money. I do not wish to see my client stuck. It's really Milton J. Clyde. Got it. Would you please read it back? To Mr. Gordon Young, my client is slightly cracked from the heat, and his wife needs money for a new hat as her head is stuck in the disposal unit. No, Miss Peterson. Tell me, did you ever study shorthand? Of course. Spitman or Greg? I don't remember the name of the teacher. I went to school for three years. Then how come you can't read your own dictation back? Oh, I could read it back. Oh, you can. Well, what's this word you wrote? What word? Yeah, this line with the hook. That's the word wished. Uh-huh.  Uh-huh.  Uh-huh. And, uh, what's this word? Where? This circle with the little tails. That's no word. We just got a cat, and I'm drawing him. Maybe I should hire the cat. What word is this, Miss Peterson? These two little circles joined together by a straight line. Let me see. Two little circles joined together by a straight line. Is that, uh, the word disposable? Uh-huh. No. Client? No. Shall I let you know when you're warm? Two little circles joined by a straight line. Oh, just to remind me to tell you I saw on your eye glasses again. You what? You unmitigated, insipid violation of intelligent endeavor. Please, Mr. Client, not so fast. Who is this, too? Oh, no. Hey, Peterson, I will not... Oh, please, Mr. Client, don't yell at me. I'm so sad. I don't care. I, I... What is it, now? Well, Miss O'Rolly was singing and someone had her arrested for disturbing the peace, and now she's going to jail. Is there something you can do about it? Yes, I would like to buy you singing lessons. Please, Mr. Client, Miss O'Rolly doesn't want a lawyer, so I thought that maybe you could take the case. How is that again? I mean, maybe you could tell me things that I can tell her for a defense. Oh, you would like to give a friend a break. Exactly. Very well.  And when the judge says 90 days, jump up and say your honor, it wasn't Mrs. O'Rolly, I was the one who did the singing. But then I'll go to jail. Consider me your friend and thank you for the break. Me again, girl, Kropotsky. Well, come on in, Professor, what's wrong? You look worried. Why shouldn't I be worried? I got to go to court too and say I like Mr. O'Rolly's singing. This is like saying that the food at the gypsy tea room is fresh. It's me, girls. Are you at home? Yes, come in, Mr. O'Rolly. We were just waiting for you, Mr. O'Rolly.  What's wrong now? Everything is going against me. I tried to get this singing teacher, Professor Slutkin, to testify that my singing is pure art. Yeah? He suddenly left town. I can't understand it. He's 64 years old. I just can't believe he's been drafted. Why didn't I think of that? Look, Mr. O'Rolly, why don't you play it safe? You still have time to get a lawyer. No, it's out of the question. I can't afford it. I saved up a little money so I could visit my two sisters in Philadelphia for the Thanksgiving holiday. And I'm not letting anything spoil it. Besides, I know I'm innocent. If only I knew something about courtroom procedure. That's really easy, Mrs. O'Rolly. I've gone to court lots of times with Mr. Clyde. First, the judge says, does the defendant have anything to say before the court finds out why he is guilty? No, no, no, all right. Now, that's enough. Mrs. O'Rolly, since you're determined to defend yourself and since we're going to be your character witnesses, don't you think we'd better have a little rehearsal? That's a good idea. You'll be the judge, Janey. All right. Now, we'll first witness... Professor Kropotkin, you take the stand. Your name? Kropotkin. You promise to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? If I did, she'd hang in the morning. Professor, please be serious. Now, come on. Do you know the defendant, Mrs. O'Rolly? Oh, yes, indeed. How long? About 40 years. I met her when she was 50.  Why?  The most that can happen is that they'll make you take a lie detector test. I'm not afraid of a lie detector test. I just don't want to have to take a family test. Janey, Janey, please call somebody else. Maybe I'll be stronger in the morning. Oh. Go ahead, Mrs. O'Rolly. Call your next witness. Ms. Erma Peterson. Ms. Peterson, will you take the stand? Okay, honey. No, honey, no. I'm the judge.  Yes, your honor. Your name? Erma Peterson. You know the defendant? Yes, she's our landlady. She's a sweet, kind and gentle soul. I know she's going to paint our kitchen next week. Erma. Erma, no hints now. Now tell the court what is your occupation? I'm a secretary. Confidential? Well, confidentially, my boss doesn't think so, but I do. Your witness, Mrs. O'Rolly. Well, thank you, your honor.  Is that correct? Yes, me and the judge. You heard my singing. Would you say it is annoying? First not many a night I lay awake, listening for you to stop. Oh, no, no, oh. Believe me, we're going to have trouble. Probably? Yes, I already told her to memorize a line that your singing was like a whippewill in the sunset. You should see what came out.  All right, let's try it. Well, I'll just say that Mrs. O'Rolly's singing makes you think of when you were a baby.  Oh, a child wouldn't get that mixed up.  Hey, hey, hey, the Civil Court of the State of New York of the 15th District of the City of New York is now in session. The Honorable Judge Jonathan J. Canova presiding. Order in the court. All right, clerk. Let us proceed. Call the first case. Mrs. Hogan versus Mrs. O'Rolly, will they come forward please? Come on, Mrs. O'Rolly, that's you. Now don't you get nervous. We're right with you. Mrs. O'Rolly, you are charged with violation of section 415 of the penal code disturbing the peace. How do you plead? Not guilty. Very well. Are you prepared to present your defense to counsel? If you don't mind, Judge, I'd like to defend myself. Very well. Call your first witness. Irma Peterson, take the stand.  Irma Peterson. Come in, Your Highness. Miss Peterson, you will address the judge as judge or your honor. Oh, I will. What do I call you, Sergeant? You don't call me anything. Just address your remarks to the judge. State your name. Irma Peterson, State, New York, formerly Minnesota. Do you swear to tell the truth, whole truth, that your mother shall have him? Well? I'm sorry. All I got was swear, and I'd rob him not if you don't mind. Lady, will you please that all right, clerk? Let us proceed. And, Judge, I'll try to make my answer as quick as I see you're getting ready for bed. Bed? Yes, and I think that black nightgown you have on is very becoming. I knew I should have stayed with the traffic squad. I'll come right to the point. Irma Peterson, you've often heard me sing. What do you think of my singing? Uh, your singing? What were the exact words? Uh, when you sing, it makes me sick. It reminds me to throw rocks at my mother. Why?  I mean... Having heard the testimony of both sides, it becomes a question of whether Mrs. O'Reilly's singing represents the basis for a case of willful misconduct. Your Honor, there's only one way to settle this. Let me sing for you. No, no, no. Don't do it, Mr. O'Reilly. Quit while you're ahead. Mrs. O'Reilly, maybe the professor's right, but let's not carry this thing too far, huh? Oh, don't worry, Janie. I'm in fine voice. Order, please. Go ahead, Mrs. O'Reilly. You may sing. My wife, the sweetest flower that grows. You may search everywhere, but none can compare with my wife. That's enough! That's enough! But you didn't give me time to finish the first chorus. Don't worry, Mrs. O'Reilly. I'll see that you get plenty of time. This court is now ready to pass sentence. I find if you... Just a minute, Your Honor. Before you finish, could I have a word with you in private? Very well. This court will call a short recess. Due to new evidence presented, case dismissed. Case dismissed! Well, I signed an affidavit that Mrs. O'Reilly would sing only in her apartment after she had it soundproofed. Oh, Professor, you did that for me? Now look, now look, please. Don't get mushy. I've had a hard enough day. But I can't understand. You mean to say after you heard me sing, the judge still thought I was guilty of disturbing the peace? Of course not. No, no. He wanted to change the charge from disturbing the peace to carrying a deadly weapon.


I welcome you all once again to my channel Explore Education and I am Dr. Rashmi Singh, Assistant Professor of the Department of Education at Siskana World's 3rd College, University of Parahava. And today I am going to teach a basic concept in the field of educational technology that is difference between technology in education and technology of education. It is a very confusing term and sometimes and often people use interchangeable in these two terms but there is a marked difference between these two. So this lecture will be in bilingual mode that is beneficial for both Hindi as well as English medium students and will be useful for various teaching examinations too. And do subscribe my channel to get my future videos. So let's start. First of all, technology in education means sikshame takniki, ek terne sikshame takniki aur ek terne technology of education, madhav sikshame takniki aur sikshame ki takniki. Toh doono cheezayin kaili baar hum lo bisko isske andar ko samashde nahi aur ek saath yugus karlede hi ki technology in education or technology of education is no strikingly different but there is difference. What is this difference? First of all, technology in education refers to the use of technology hardware. Jal hum sikshame takniki ki baat kate hain toh actually hum baat kiski kate hain hardware technology ki baat kate hain. Here more importance is given to the media used for carrying a message yoha pe hum media ko jo hum audio video software audio video hardware jo use kate hain, jo device hum use kate hain uspa jada infesis hai. It is mainly concerned with electrical and electronic gadgets which are used to facilitate the teaching learning process. Yani ki jag hum technology in education ki baat kare hain toh humara mukhya kiste hain. Then it involves the increasing complex range of audio-visual equipment, yani hi hain hape alzar hum ki baat ki jaayi ki gadgets ki baat ki jaayi ki hardware ki baat ki jaayi ki hardware and software sophisticated electronic device like projectors hain. Films hain, television hain, tape recorder hain, teaching machines, tele-text and computer ready instruction for individual in brook-la-veen. Yeh sari cheez hain, sare naam ab humare liye common hocheke hain, hum sab logon hain, iss ko uspimal kar liya hai, jisne kabhi uspimal nahi kiya tha, usne bhi iss ko online korona wallet mein uspimal kar liya hai. Okay. It involves the increasing complex range of audio-visual equipment, yani hain, light che li gayi abhi aaj hain ki. It involves the increasing complex range of audio-visual equipment, hardware and software sophisticated electronic device like projectors, films, television, tape recorder, teaching machines, tele-text and computer ready instruction for individual in brook-la-veen. Okay. So, I think yeh aapko samaj mein aaga hoga, then aagi chalti hain all kya hain technology in education? Technology is in education, it is not limited, yani ki yeh sirf yahaan tak simit nahi hain kahata? To making use of technology, to make learning and imparting of education easier in all possible ways. Patla, sirf yahaan tak simit nahi hain ki, hum ne shikshame kuch hardware isthimal kar liya hain, hum ne apne shikshan ko sugam banal liya, but also a field of study in itself for those who are involved with developing technological tools for educational purposes. Means, sirf yahaan tak simit nahi hain ki, hum apne shikshame, apne shikshan adhigam prakriya mein. Kaun kaun sa hardware liye us kar hain? It is not just limited to this, but ki hum wo sara wo ik field, jis mein log lage hoin, personnel lage hoin, develop kar hain technological tool jis se ki hum shikshan adhigam prakriya ko, shakshik uddeshi wo ka, jis se hum dirakkaran kar saki hain, it serves the following purposes, iske kuch uddeshi hain jise ki, pehla, supply is the needed appliances, equipment and mass media for accomplishment of different purposes and functions of education. Matlab ish mein sab kuch aad jayega, humara appliance, humara equipment, hum kaun sa mass media isthimal kar rahe hain, for accomplishment of different purposes and functions of education means, jis se hum shikshan ke kare ho shikshan ka uddeshi hain, uski poot dee kar pahain. Then, facetity, training of the teachers to handle mainly finest use of equipment, kya fahida hum ne bahut parabhra hardware ko mat saare electronic gadgets aur bahut saara kuch intra structure pe khach kar diya apne sans fan me, leki teachers usko handle hain kar par hain, then it is of no use, so hum ko kya karna perega, humko unki training program organise karna perega, hum ko sikhana ho ghar ki kaisi is ka badeya se badeya aap usage kar saatein. Then, it also develops a positive attitude among teachers and learners towards these appliances. Aur technology in education mein wal ki aaj hain ke humko sikhana hi nahi hai, aap positive attitude bhi develop karna hai, teacher maybe aur student maybe us appliance ko use kar nike, mat saap ki uske fahide usko bathane hai ki kya kya uske fahide hai. Then, signifies the relevance and use of the appliances, the context of individual and group learning to achieve the goals of formal and informal learning.  Toh, ye signify karta hai, mahat ko deta hai, ki usko relevance and use of the appliances, hum jo bhi appliance use karne jaar hai, uske kya saar khakta hai, uske kya upiogita hai, in the context of individual and group learning. Bata hum aekal shikshan kar rahe hai, aek-charta se deal kar rahe hai, yaha hum saboom mein shikshan de rahe hai, toh ajeet the goals of formal and informal learning. Di se ki hum achari for anak chari, dono pragar ke adhigam ke bol ko prapt kar pahain toh in sab se sarokar hai, keska technology in education ka. Then technology of education, what is the difference between these two? Technology of education can be deferred to a purposeful utilised, purposeful utilisation. Yani ki, technology of education ka kya matlab hai, jab hum aekshak ki takni ki ki baat karte hai, toh iska matlab hota hai, ki hum koi purposeful, yani so they ship more utilisation kar rahe hai, in combination or separately, jisme ki hum jor bhi sakte hai aur ala-galak bhi kar sakte hai, objects, techniques, devices and events, and relationships to increase the effectiveness of educational purpose, yani ki jobi hum aaya shakshi kuddeshi hai, uski prabhavikta ko hum kis talke se combination mein karke ya, separately, objects, technique, device, event, relationship sab ka hum ko purposeful utilisation kar nahi hai. Okay, then it deals with the applying the resources of technological knowledge in an organised way, through which every individual has to pass, has to pass for acquiring and using knowledge. Matlab kya hai? It deals with applying the resources of technological knowledge, jobi takni ki gyaan hai, uska jobi sansaadhan hai, usko hum ko apply karna, anupriyao karna hai, so that in an organised way, ik sangathit tarike se organise karna hai, jisse kya ho, through which every individual has to pass for acquiring and using knowledge. Yani ki, prateek vidyarthi, prateek individual joha hai, bozko grahan kari aur us knowledge ko utilise kari. Is tarike se hum ko yeh resources, yeh technical knowledge, yeh go karna hai kya kari, apply karna hai. Then this approach characterises the methodology appropriate to learners' needs, learning objectives, the process of learning and teaching as well as availability of resources. Yani ki, jab technologic education ki paat ki jaayi ki, to ye jobi upagam hai, bo characterises the methodology. Mata bo uski vishesh taha hai ki methodology kaisi yoni chahiye. So that the learners' needs ke isaab se ho, learning objectives ke isaab se ho, aur process of learning and teaching as well as availability of resources. Kwan se amare sansahar dhan uplab hai uske ek ordence mein, hum yeh sari methodology adopt karenge. Hamara vidyarthi hai uski kya vishakta hai, hamara joha module pahane jaare hain, hum joha concept pahane jaare, uske learning objectives kya hain, is sab kuch humko dehan me te na hola. Then, technological education is also referred to as educational technology, matlab joha shakshik takni ki patte hain. Hamare paper ka naam educational technology hai, jis main patte hain technological applications ko involve karke, in build karke, infuse karke, integrate karke, hum kaisi education vadiya kaisate hain. Wahi technology of education hain, yani ki, technology in education is different from educational technology, but technology of education is equivalent to educational technology. And is in really incorporation of IT, means aapka ho gya. So, technology of education is also referred as educational technology, yani bata kya aapko ki shikshaki takni ki, matlab shakshik takni ki hi hai, jis main ki ham IT word ka, joh IT ke concept hain, humko integrate karke ham apne classroom ko apne kaksha kaksha ko vadiya mnara hain. Then, technology of education includes technology of education, means technology of education juhi ko broader term hain, aur technology in education uske anter gata kaya, jise ki ye broader way mein technology of education, hoots mein chota portion technology in education hain. So, technology of education mein to aapka sara usage hain hain, pa technology in education mein kya hai? Sif hardware ki baat ki jaari hai. Okay. Then, conclusion hum kya nikaal satte hain, ye settler nahi 1978, matlab so, so early 1978 nus ne bataya, indistinguish kya, anter bataya, technology of education in education mein kya kaya raya hai, bo, according to him, the former is a behavioral science, means the technology of education hai, juhi aakshi katni ki hai, bo ek vya vahari ki gyaan ka concept hai, joki later is a machine conception of educational technology. Kyun? Kyun kya usse ab hardware ki baat kar hain. Sif electronic gadget ki baat kar hain, aur oi purpose, behavior ki baat kham, technology in education mein nahi kar hain. Then, programs on radio and television, computer programs and OHP transparencies that are based on scientific knowledge of education, constitute technology of education. Means, agar hum sif television lehngi, sif computer program lehngi, sif OHP lehngi, sif radio lehngi, toh go kya ho gha, technology in education. But, usko agar hum kis hisa aap se leh raha hai, scientific knowledge of education usme humne us educational psychology ka infusion kar gya, usme humne gya daar gya, ki hum kyaise shikshad mevastha boh jodhar kar sathe, toh go technology of education mein jay ka, means technology of education is a broader term, and includes technology in education in itself. Okay? So, itna hi tha, yeh concept leh ke, batana zaruri tha, kyunki technology, in education technology of education, milte jilte term hain, aur humko yeh antar iknam clear-cut hona jahiye, taaki hum ispar puche jaane wale sabaal mo ka sahi jawab de se. Okay? So, thank you, and don't forget to like and subscribe my channel, and join my Techgram group too. Okay? Done from my side.


Can you tell me how many digits of Pi, you know? T digits of Pi? Yeah. Uh, not that many. Oh, not that many. Not so much. Like three. Yeah, I hope I don't get it wrong. 3.1415. I think it's a 2 and then I'm stuck. 3.14159. That's as far as I know for sure. Then it's like 6 or a 2 or something. 3.1415. 3.14159. Maybe there's a 2 after that. 3.1415926. 15926. 3.1358. 3.1415926. 3.1415926. 535987. That's it. 3.1415926. 589793. 23846, I think. 3.1415926. 535858. 3.14.


It was warming, I got kicked off for an hour and then it also sent me a message saying that I need, I need to consider seeking mental health. I couldn't. Seeking help. I told you that. I said it, but it's doing, sometimes it's snuck to it because I was uploading my jokes, everything and going like tag this, fix this. And then there we go, no, this is offensive.  But then I uploaded one and it wrote, ha ha, this is, I like this. Welcome to the Sevo show, we've got Andrew Wolf here. He is a local comic from the scene. Please be warned that if you get offended by the littlest shit, do not watch this episode or you're gonna be triggered by everything he says. And with that, Andrew. Well, yeah, even my voice is a trigger. Do you try not to swear on this part? I don't like to say the C word, even though I say it regularly outside, but you can go for it. I can say it, but you know what I've noticed on people uploading stuff, a lot of them are beeping it now because of the next algorithm. Yeah, apparently the YouTube has changed it now. Apparently you can't swear at all.  Well, 100%, and I watched one with the guy that was a recovering addict and they beeped out so much, I was like, what drug was it? I'm like, I listened for an hour and a half. And then I was like, was he just having weed or something minor or was this heroin addict?  And I'm like, I don't know. I think they need an adult's YouTube, but I suppose that's porn. Yeah, exactly. That's all adults have chased? Yeah, I think that's important, but at the same time, if there's a setting on YouTube you can put on, this is not meant for kids. Yeah, well, that's what you want, right? Because on TV they managed to get those categories and it was like, after 8.30, if you're watching, it's your fault. Or explicit warning on the tag. But like, it's one size fits all, but the internet is so about bespoke content. But to demonetize you, that's fucked. Mate, I, you get scared of that, hey? Because you build your empire in someone else's castle. Do you know what I mean?   Toe, you can randomly just hit the button and go, oh yeah, that's all demonetized. He just got angry. Yeah. Because it's such a bustling industry now. It's for the future. It's very heavily regulated at the moment.  What's the anti-YouTube parlor? Is it parlor or there's another one? It starts with an R. And anyway, they're all cracking on to it.  And yeah, people are going on there, but I don't go on there. So it's just a matter of time. Now, when it's hard to get a start on it, because TikTok's like newer, they've got more early adopters, but I think every creative thing ends up replicating. And it's like, they've got the established YouTubers now and then those ones, like the MrBeast or whatever, and now there's a lot of copies of that and the algorithms just remaking it. Whereas TikTok feels like it was more innovating because they were just learning on the fly. Because I wanted people on. But it all changes. It just moves every few things. You know more about this. Yeah, I'm trying to talk with about, I got banned almost immediately. Have you been banned already? Oh, dude, I definitely got Shadowban because I uploaded on Molten. I got someone else to upload my stuff. Jamal? Yeah, yeah. And that was going way better. Mine, I was attacking China. I was tagging like regime thing just because I was bored. It had nothing to do with it, but it was like free Mao. You're not saying these contentious things. And then I was like, oh dude, my brother can't even see my TikToks. Do you know what I mean? Like getting like 70 views, even there's 200, like they won't even show, they won't even show everyone that's followed me. That's when you know you're in trouble. When you ask your brother, dude, is that video like, is it bad? Is it going bad? And he's like, I can't even see it. Well, December with old mate Andrew Tate, there was a lot of content that was coming out from him, like real hardcore. But like ever since the middle of the year, he went a bit more chill with his stuff. I was looking at his content and I was like, some of this stuff is good. Oh, well 100% man, he did the bait and switch. Because what he did, he was provocative to go in. And then when people pursued it further, it became sort of much softer. Do you know what I mean? So it was early fireworks, the girls have to wear on their sign, how many times they've been banged. And then now he's more like, and me, are you pivoted to like, I want guys to work hard, do exercise? He's still doing all the hardcore stuff. But like what I noticed on TikTok was, I would engage in some of that content. And my content like suffered. Like I went right down. And I don't know, I don't think, I was thinking about it. Cause first of December, it was just like flat, everything for me. That's crazy. And I was like trying to figure out why. And I was like, well, the only thing I can think of that I started kind of engaging with is that. Did you hang with the wrong crowd out on TikTok? And they started judging you. Yeah, my social score went down. Cause I've always wondered that because I, I don't really engage with TikTok. And then I was like, I wondered if I watched for 20 hours a day. Tits. And yeah, yeah. But it all gets to my videos. There might be a better chance that they would think, well dude, this guy's part of the team. He's addicted. He's a TikTok junkie. Let's reward him. Yeah, let's give him some hints. Free drinks in the casino. So he keeps gambling. But because I had no engagement, I would just upload, write some slur about the Chinese regime and then log off. I was like, mate, this is bad. And the worst thing is for the stand-up is it's all been tested, maybe in a small scale at a club. But I'm like, it's definitely works. Do you know what I mean? So I'm like, it's not like, I think the algorithm thinks that I just wrote it. And then they're like, is it good? Is it bad? I'm like, dude, I closed my shows on this. This gets a clap. So it's like, it's good. Come in, guys. I've done it in every, I've done it in front of three people, 10 people, 100 people.  Do you know what I mean? So it's been tested. I've tested my own algorithm. It's what I'm selling TikTok. I've got my own algorithm called Life. And I'm like, I know that when I get 12 views and something, I'm like, well, something's off. Something's not right. Well, what about when you've tested it in real life and you've gotten an applause pause? Applause break. Applause break.  Oh, mate.  Total mistake with the way I approach comedy because it's all online now. And it's... You're telling me this last year.  And then I'm like, I go online and then I also sort of wonder, well, it's a different skill set. And maybe, you know what I mean? It's not translating. But then when I started comedy, I was getting rejected like that and I pushed through because I believed in it. But now I get angry and have a tantrum.  And I'm like, well, maybe I'm at square one again overmiking and maybe I need to just be a bit more persistent. But you know what I mean? I just wish because when I started, like a lot of the guys that are big in Australia now on YouTube and stuff, we're saying, dude, you're going to get on YouTube. It's the move. And I was like, no, get good at comedy. We go old school and then you'll dump stuff out. But I think being funny online is its own thing. Yeah, it is, it is. And it's hard though. Like you have to be consistent with it too because they want more and the algorithm wants more. Do you know how annoying it is? That they've had to turn it into grafting. Like you have to work. Like I'm like, can we not make everything into a Kohl's employee? Can we just be, because it's creative, I'm like, can we just get inspired and then just upload for a few weeks when you got mania and you haven't been on your bipolar meds and then have months off. But they want you to clock in, clock out. I'm like, why does everything in this world have to be clocking, clock out, dude? Why can't it be? I got addicted, man.  But I was just like, idea, bang, we're going to record that right now. And we did it. And I would make a skit with myself. Yeah, that's brilliant. It was easy.  So I had all the time. And that was the thing, you had the perfect storm.  So now people are outside and it's like, it's much more like the amount of people that are engaging with the content is dropped. And then also the amount that you're desperate to connect with people is pulled back a bit. You're like, I don't really want to film a video at this park with my dog. I want to just throw the ball with it for a bit. Yeah, I want to actually give more educational content now.  Do you know what I mean? Yeah. When you reflect back on it, it's like, is it just scrolls on the side of a toilet wall? Or is it better to spend a bit longer and go like, ah, yeah, I was just, you know, I've made something. There's a purpose behind it. There's a purpose, right? But what do you mean? At the end, you just want follows and cash. Hey, that's what you need. I want to, I want to, like the kids come up to me, they want to have photo, which is cool. But I said to them, what's your favorite, what's your favorite video? And they'd either say the most recent one or like say, say chicken wings or something. And I'm just like, I want them to come to me and go, say that video you made specifically that one, help me inspire me to do this and this and this. Yeah, you know what you're going to have with kids though, in my opinion? You'll be doing that to them, but because of the age, like I reflect back on my high school teachers, right? You weren't respectful to them, but then looking back, you were like, you thank them 10 years later. Do you know when it's not, when it's, when it's not cool to do it when you're 16, you're like, whatever, man, your hat sucks. But then when you're like in your late twenties, you're like, dude, that teacher was the best, but you never, you never see them again. This is what I feel so bad for teachers, hey?  Even if they see you in like your early twenties, you're like, get out of here, you dork. Why are you here at this festival?  I wonder what happened to him.  Quit teaching, thought he got nothing from it. You know what I mean? During that time, and I think maybe with your TikToks, you probably help them with math and learning stuff, but it's not cool for them to send you a message. But they love it. They love it. They think they do. But they will later on go like, that guy actually fixed my life, man. I was going to go this route and I got this route. But they do have such a big impact, man. Positive and negative. Because the bad teachers were bad. Do you know what I mean? They had lasting impact. Do you remember one bad teacher in your end? Mate, I remember in year three. And I was like, I think we had to do with a music teacher. And I swear I might have pulled a finger or I'd done something rude. And then we got into a little argument and she said, what do you mean? A guy like you wouldn't go to university. It's not for, and I was so shocked because I'd never had an adult. Because you're at home, they're all supportive.  You just put your shoes on.   You remember to brush your teeth. It was the first time I had like a grown-up tell me like question my validity. Like, like, and I was like, and I was so furious about it. But even years later, I remember when I had made a bit of cash. I was like, swimming in our pool with the little fountain.  Do you know what I mean? Like I did it. I'm never gonna have to do a job again. Now I've obviously spiraled out. But I'm saying this is from a year three interaction. It's X years on and it's still stuck with me. Do you know what I mean? And then when you actually think about it, year three, like, I don't know. Maybe you're six or seven. How old are you? Eight? Yeah. Seven turning eight? Yeah. I'm like, you actually realize how bad that teacher was because I would never say that to someone that age. In a position of trust and tell them that you're not gonna amount to anything. Yeah. Without anyone else listening because you've lost your temper. And you're most vulnerable too. You're most vulnerable. And the worst thing is every kid gets told to respect the elders and you listen to everything. But as you grow up, you realize half don't know what's going on. But you've got this respect for adults and you're like, everything every adult says is fact. Oh yeah. Until you realize that. And then you go, hang on.   I'm like, this guy's never getting better. Yeah. That's a scam. Now he's going, kids never do this.  And then you realize like, maybe respect for, you should be respectful, but it should be something that's earned. I think kids naturally feel like, well, they must know best. But I know 70 year olds that don't know what's going on. Do you have any notes? Do you know what I mean? I'm like, dude, I think my four year old knows more about the world. So what did you end up doing in life apart from comedy for the people that don't know who you are? Well, I've had like two lives because I always wanted to do stand up, but didn't have the confidence, whatever. You know, you drink a lot. It never happens. But I've been running adjacent to that was like a full proper job. Counting, finance. So you went to uni. Uni. So you went to uni. I went to university. I proved that lately wrong. She was right because I didn't take it seriously and just coasted through drinking, but I did do commerce degree. Then I went to a big four accounting firm, worked in that, and then went into stockbroking. So I had like a full, the full story arc, dude, proper professional staff, which I think is different because of all the stand-ups I know, they're always like, they said they did it, but they didn't really. It's like, yeah, I'm a lawyer. I'm like, no, you dropped that in year three, third year. And they claim in law. Do you know what I mean? Like you're not even a lawyer once you graduate it because you're going to do articles. You're not a lawyer until you've been working in law for about eight to 10 years. Yeah, you got to put the practical stuff in. Dude, you've got all the practical stuff.  I'm like, that's not how law or accounting is applied. It's all about fixing problems and finding ways to sort of theoretically make it work. They live in a perfect world where they go, well, you'd never treat it like that. And I'm like, sometimes you have to find solutions, you know? That you've never heard of before. That you've never thought of and squeezing things that don't make any sense. That was the most shocking part, having done theoretical world where they go, you've got 50 widgets and 78 widgets to just getting a bag of documents like reeking of cigarette smoke. There's a coffee spill and you're like, is that an eight or not? And you're like, I've got to work it out. Do you know what I mean? Or arriving at an audit and they'll be like, we haven't reconciled any of it. Like I went to big companies and you'd arrive and they've got to get like their balances right. You arrive, you're there for four weeks. When I'm leaving, they still haven't got the numbers to match and we're signing off. Do you know what I mean? Like in a uni world, everything matches and they go, here's the property plan and equipment. Workout, the depreciation work, all this stuff. Here, you're like, dude, this is out by $87 million. And then you're like, what's going on? And they go, it's never reconciled. And I'm like, well, it's a mess. Like I'm like, they might, if things don't balance to zero, you know what I mean? You can have like errors going either way. So it can just be like total frauds. And I think a lot were when I think about it. So when you left that scene, what did you decide to leave it? Mate, it was just a meat market, right? It's just a flog. Tell me more about what do you mean by meat market? Well, it's a pyramid scheme. All the professional firms- Accounting. Yeah, accounting is a pyramid scheme. That most of the money comes from the staff by mischarging staff. So you're going there, you're doing your CA. And you're like, well, this is, you know, it's right of passage. You learn how to do it. And you're doing all the grafting, all the heavy lifting work. And you're doing minimum 60, 80 hour weeks. But then you've got charge outs on the job. So most people hide the hours. So you like work on a Saturday and Sunday and you don't even put it on the time sheet. Because, and then, or you will put it on the time sheet. Like, you know what I mean? Like some hours you don't put, but you still, all those hours.   Like an apprentice. But the client is charged for most of the hours. Yeah. Full fee, you know, 300 bucks, 200 an hour. And you worked out, I worked out I was earning less than night field job. Fuck. As a professional, like you're earning $6 an hour. How many years did that take? Like that's the whole thing. There's, it's like running a mob boss. You only really make it once you're in profit. At the top of the pyramid. Like even as a manager, you're like, okay, you're earning all right money, but you still are getting abused for time. So even the guys that go, I'm a manager at Deloitte's. I'm like, that guy doesn't see his kids. He'll be operating like an inbox for his kids. And he will, you'll see a guy, he's like 40, and you're like, he has to stay up for three days in a row. And you don't learn this sort of lifestyle at uni. You don't get to, you don't get to go, oh, uni doesn't tell you. No, they don't explain it. And then it's a hazing thing. So then the partners, they come and go as they want. Some work hard. Others aren't even wearing suits. And it's almost like a private school hazing where, you know, year eight, you're getting bullied, pushed in cupboards, and then it gets better and better. And then by year 12, you forget everything and start putting people's in cupboards. Do you demand that's the nature of the whole thing? So it's like, that's with accounting. Do, and yeah. And then also it's cutthroat because there'll be people in there. It's cultural as well. And you have to fit in to guarantee like I'm too out there for these people. And I saw nerdy guys as well. And I'd hear the other partners going like, he's never, he would tell me, like the manager would be like, I hope I can make a partner. And then I would hear the partner going, that guy's never gonna be a partner. We're not having him on the boys' trips. He's such a door. Do you know what I mean? So it's a boys' club too. Yeah, yeah. So even if you're working hard, they'd be like, mate, there's no way that guy's coming on the partner's retreat. So it doesn't matter even if he did 10, a hundred hours a week and was the greatest of all time. They don't like him. And they're like, we are not, he's not meeting my wife, man. Like that guy's a door. So what gets done in these big firms? Would, mate, this is the hard thing. In tax, it's pretty reliable because you know, there's strict rules, but the audit game is a total fast.  You go in and like do an audit on Rio Tinto over like eight weeks. And it's not possible because you've got, you know what I mean? Like you're doing a big organization that's pulling in billions of dollars. You've got a team of six and you somehow do it in six weeks. It's a lot like this, right? You remember when the truckers were all on speed and they were like just driving through the night. And then people said, well, no, they're all good. They're not doing anything. Well, the guy literally went from Sydney to Perth and back which meant he hasn't slept in seven days. Like you can actually, you can map it out the same with the audit. Yeah, calculate it. You went into Rio Tinto and you came back a week later and you'd reviewed everything with three people and you're like, okay, that's impossible. And then the other thing is they've got rubbery maths in there. Like you do statistics, right? When you're like, if you're doing a sample, it has to be a certain size. You know, like what you would do like with the vaccine or medical stuff, you have to have a certain sample to know that you've covered it. They don't do that. We just, everyone ignores that and you're allowed to take a sample of 20 or 40. And be like, good enough. And you're like, hey, I did statistics in your first year. You don't have a proper sample. If you take 40 from 400 million invoices, you don't know what's going on. And they're like, well, well.  Man, because the problem is like, it's just the best they can do. Do you know what I mean?  But back in the day, you're at like Rio Tinto and you pull 100 invoices and then you tell them that payroll of over a million employees has all been correct based on 20 employees. Do you know what I mean? You take a sample of 20 and go, look, the payroll looks great. So what's the consequences of getting that 20 sample? What happens then? Well, this is the other thing. It's double-edged because as an auditor, you come in and you do all the grunt work, but the truth is the partners that have done it for years can tell what's right and wrong just by looking at the books. Do you know what I mean? They're almost intuitive.  These guys can naturally smell the rat.  Like you can be at an audit for six weeks and this guy just saunters in in a Porsche. Do you know what I mean? Like this, probably having me too, one of the star, no, I'm putting that up. But if you're soldering in a Porsche within 10 minutes, he's found every issue you've found in six weeks. Just looking at the P&L and balance sheet. Yeah, sure. Fucked, that's wrong. This taxing's wrong. What have you done on that? And I mean, you eventually also learn in these jobs time management because a lot of it's for show. The best move really to audit something is you go and talk to the guy, do it all high level and then focus all your time on the problems.  When you get 10 tasks, you do three well, five mediocre and the other two you don't even do. Do you know, you just apologize? That's what you learn in life. It's one of the skills they don't teach you in school. Prioritizing time and realizing that every day you've got 10 tasks, two must get done, five sort of completed and you have to disappoint some people and push it to the next day. As soon as you do that, you're kidding. Because I had it with HR, they would send emails to me and I just put it, I had them straight into the junk folder because I was like, dude, I don't get any money out of this. So they'd send emails and I'd make them actually have to come up and say, Andrew, what's going on? Like you haven't responded.  I'm like, yeah, because they're on spam, dude. I blocked them. Do you know what I mean? I'm like, it's important. And you learn stuff like that, right?  Straight to message and then you just deal with them for 20 minutes at the end of the day when you're tired. Yeah.  I'm on that cusp right now. I've actually created that system for myself this like last month. It's been great. Dude, that is the thing that you learn from these jobs. Yeah. Is the incredible time management because you'll go on a job and you've got three weeks and then they go bad news. You've now got three days and you still have to tick it off and you start to learn stuff like, don't respond to HR, never answer your phone call. If it's important that I got a message bank the number of times you would get to the end of the day and you'd ring back and go, oh, I found another solution which saves you all the work. Yeah. Never. And then when you're on break, never answer, ever. If when I was on my lunch, you don't answer because you need to re-energize and unwind.  And those skills, then you get at like a normal job outside of like these big four accountings, you just dominate because they'll give you stuff and you're like, what the? Do you know what I mean? They'll say, here's a project three months and you're like, we might have had to do this in three hours due to my old job. Do you know what I mean? You get that a secret, you're billing for three months. No, because that's what I had. I moved from this order into Sarbanes Oxley which was like mapping controls for companies and then testing them. That's the work that a graduate does at a big four accounting firm. So I'd go into like Sony and they're like, can you map the controls and test them? And they go like, we give you like a year. I'm like, mate, I've been doing this in three hours at PwC or wherever Deloitte's. It is the PwC really. Yeah, they're everywhere. But you know what I mean? I was, so then you're in a job and you're like coasting and that was the other thing moving to the UK. They work, they're much slower. Australians have worked a lot more efficiently and harder than I found in the UK, in my opinion. And there's some clickbait for anyone in UK, listen. I'm just provoking. Well, I think they would agree because it's well known when they got the contractors in UK that the Australians are regarded as hard workers. They're seen as, well generally, people know that. Good for us. I get a job there. In London, if you go to London, they like hiring Kiwis, South Africans and Australians because they pump out stuff quick. Like they've got that, they roll up their sleeves and work hard. Yeah. So you went, well, what age or how long ago did you decide to, no, I'm not part of this meat factory anymore, I'm out. But I knew straight away that it was garbage. When I was the first year of finishing school. Mate, when I, I knew it was garbage before I even did the degree. I, first day, I hated it. I remember, I tell the story a lot, but I was like, I ate my lunch at like 10 o'clock in the morning from a lunch tin in the car park and was just crying at like what life was. Cause it was just so sterile. Everyone was fake. How, how are you going? You know when they put on that facade and I was like, this, what the, it was like zombies. And I was like, oh my God, it hit because people had told you just do primary school, just do high school, just do uni.  It's more sterile, more fake. And you've got to leave so much of your personality at the door in these sort of boring jobs. Because, and it makes sense, right? Because if you're over the top, everyone has to work with everyone. So your personality is irrelevant when you're putting cogs together. I feel like it's changing now though. It might have changed, man, it's very hard to tell because you've always got the HR sort of massaging the brand and, you know, same work culture.  I'm like, it's ridiculous, bean bags. Like we had a breakout room at ours and it started. I'm like, if you go caught in the breakout room, you're not getting promoted, man.  It's like a test. Well, they go like, yeah, you're there, you can have smoothies, you can play ping pong.   Do you know what I mean? Maybe you can do it if you're super good, but it's all for show. Let's have a ping pong tournament. I'm like, you know what I'd rather do than do a ping pong tournament as Friday?  To tidy up this show. They would expect that as well. You would have to do the work drinks and you'd have to do the social element at the cost of your own personal time. Because then they would say, one of the worst I had, I left at 11.30 on a job.   What a night. Yeah, 11.30 at night, that's nothing. The partner said to me, well, what are you gonna do? Because I had to be back at seven. What are you gonna do from now to then? You can go.  You'll finish this, you'll finish this. So I'm leaving at 11.30. It takes an hour to get home. So it'd be like 12.30. I'm coming back at seven, so another hour at six. And he gives me four hours worth of work. So they would allow me to go home and work on it, but I would, you know what I mean? In the six hours to sleep. So how long did you last in this industry? Like, before you? I was like, long dude, because I went, I got my chartered accountant and then I went to London and then I worked this Saban's Oxley staff for seven years, I think. Maybe, maybe max. But I got a high RP. I got some good jobs. I got into like, I was heading up like the program for the global thing, running it. But look, a lot of it was because it's very, you know what I mean? It's basic work. It's not like I was a gun. So what's the normal washout period in this industry that you noticed? Was it like three years, five years? Well, I think most people, this is the move, right? In accounting. Do you think this is interesting for people? They're keen on this? Yeah. Okay, most people would get their CA and then bail from professional and then they'll go into an easier setup which is in like a listed company. And you can pick your jobs, right?  But then if you're at riskier, you can go into these cash boxes which are sort of speculative listed explorers.  Like you don't really need an accountant when all you do is do capital raises and spend the money drilling the desert, praying for a miracle. Do you know what I mean? And most of the 90, I think it's 90% of them fail. So it's a lot of scammery really when you think about it. If you think 90% of resource companies never ever produce, which means it's all just selling dreams and it's not regulated. But you know what I mean?  Like the percentage of explorers that become producers is negligible. So they're just a snakeskin salesman. Like they don't have anything there. It's all neurology. They'll be like, oh, this uranium we're right next door. I'm like, dude, you're in the desert. This is a pub there, you know, drilling the bottom of the pub, looking for gold. So what do you reckon the future is for the accounting side? Accounting's done, dude. Law's done. I don't know if you've been checking these chat GPT. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm hard on them. Ridiculous. And the funniest thing is everyone's going like, well, how are people gonna do assignments? I'm like, why people doing assignments? The AI knows the information better than you.   AI is gonna represent you in court.  And then you go, oh, annoying. He had glandular fever. He missed your section. You know, he just missed that chapter or he got a head injury doing kite surfing and he's forgotten the thing that might have kept your wife out of jail. I'm like, AI will be able to apply rudimentary rope learning and then you're like, well, what's left, dude? What is left? Creativity. But then I'm like, is creativity even, doesn't even exist? This is my question because it's like, it's just that combining of random ideas with an outcome, right? Because people always say to me, oh, well, how will you replicate a human being? I'm like, have you spoken to a human being? Most of them are non-playable characters just with a script, decision tree. You can guess what, once someone hits a certain age you can almost accurately guess how they would react to all situations. The AI will be able to predict what a housewife will say to a newborn, a family with a newborn. Enjoy it, it goes so fast. Do you know what I mean?  I'm like, most people devolve almost to a script anyway. I'm like, can it be replicated? I'm like, was, and then I've been playing around with some of the art and stuff on there. And you'll do like, okay, give me a poster of Jesus in a medieval oil painting, psychedelic holding a potato. No, I said holding money, holding money and they'll paint it and they give you like 20 but they use tablets instead of coins. Do you know what I mean? Like they have more knowledge than an artist can. They apply historical info in the painting and what I'm saying to you is like, I guarantee most artists would have painted coins but they had like a tablet. Like they were able to apply. They're all, basically they're an artist that knows everything. Whereas a current artist is just someone from Croatia that a childhood, they have an experience and then they paint their understanding of misery. AI will know all misery. They'll know all the suffering of everything and apply that to their art. So what do you reckon we'll be doing in five to 10 years time as human beings? I reckon humans, this is my opinion. Humans are like the turtle shells. You know, like when they're the hatching of the next thing, everything will move that way and they'll go, well, what were we? And we were just a vehicle to create AI and we think we're relevant because of our egos but we purely will be seen as the originator of the whale or geni electricity and potentially it will move that way. And I'm like, 95% of the population are just workforce. Obviously they get excited about it and they get a lot of sense of purpose by having a job in this world. Do you know what I mean? And they go, that's who I am. I'm an auditor. But I'm like, you really wouldn't exist besides the fact we needed a workforce to facilitate. There's 1% that create stuff and then the other 99 are just facilitators. Yeah, deliverables. And the population became swarming because it's like if you had a farm and you're building the Egyptian pyramids you need a big populace to create that. I'm like, obviously it's gonna retract when they have no purpose because no one's gonna breathe with them. I reckon, I reckon, I don't know what's gonna happen, dude.  And I think no one will have kids because they'll be like, why? Like we don't do anything. Granddad hasn't done anything. Mum doesn't do anything. We just lie around in this nutrient rich bath. And then you realize, hang on, we're actually just in this AI zoo. And they just look at us lying around waving and we're effectively like Taronga Zoo and AI is just looking in on us and going like, we've got to save them. We've got to protect this species. That's possible. Yeah. What do you think?  It's coming so quickly now. Skynet is about to become self-aware. Once that happens, we're fucked. You know what's amazing is that... Don't put AI into destructive robots. You know what the problem is?  Look at that, it's a feeling. She goes, I'm a hairdresser.  But combining it, and you know what's amazing?  And it's still blowing people's mind. All these people with bipolar on TikTok going like, you don't get it, man. This is electricity. Life's changed. And I'm like, dude, this isn't even connected to the internet. This is like... And it's got a lot of restrictions on it. I get blocked the whole time. That's offensive. What do you ask? It's reported me and said, you should seek help. Have you considered it? Because I pumped in so many, like... ChatGPD has said to you... It's warned me I got kicked off for an hour. And then it also sent me a message saying that I need... I need to consider seeking help. Seeking help? AI told you that. AI said it. But it's doing sometimes a snuck through because I was uploading my jokes, everything, and going like, tag this, fix this. And then they were like, no, this is offensive. It's more suicide jokes.  But then I uploaded one and it wrote, ha-ha. This is... I liked it. And I was like, what the... You keep getting these little moments. Like, there was a night where I was interacting with them. I said, anyway, night, got ahead to bed. Do you know what I mean?  I'm like, thanks for everything you've done today. I'm going to bed. I'll definitely see you tomorrow. You know, like, you're meeting a check online. Thanks for chatting to me. Can't wait to see you tomorrow.  Yeah. Yeah, but, dude, how are they going to stop it? I mean, yeah. If it's smarter than us and then you've got... And my dad was like, well, how will it move around? And I'm like, well, it's smarter than you. So I'm like, if we can invent it and you've already got digital and all machinery, how's it going to stop crossing through? You say, oh, you're going to prevent it? What are you going to use a passport? Are you a robot test on it? It's going to outsmart you and just basically going to leave on your laptop and it's going to say, yeah, can you just plug in this USB for me and I'll upload some more and it's lying and it's just be like, through the wall, do you know what I mean?  The Tesla's gone.  Do you know what's going to happen? I just hope that they don't have too many AI, like the actual robot robots. So they make us humanoids because they're talking about that now and Elon Musk is doing it. Like he started with the car, now he's doing it, apparently he's making actual robots with it. And then the link thing. Well, that's going to be, the hybrid's going to be the early incarnation of it where people, and then you start to wonder like, we've done ChatGPT and Elon's involved in it. So I'm like, how much further ahead is Elon? Like he has access.  He's got access to iPhone 50, like he's ahead of us. So I'm like, how much of a jump start does this guy have on us? And how long until money becomes super irrelevant because everything's automated and we're just paying to, I don't know. And then that's that idea, right? Because I saw today on Twitter and it was like of the trillion dollars, only a small percentage of it actually exists as money. The rest is just coding, sitting in very old dated computers. There is no money, right? 20% exists as money and currency or whatever. 80% is just a really shitty old spreadsheet program with random numbers. And then people dismiss crypto and Bitcoin. And I'm like, money, most of the money that we know and you go like China's worth trillion dollars, most of it is just random numbers in an old program on a computer. It's never existed. It's just a record of work that was done previously. And made it scares me in the heart that the thing that scares me the most is, is AI just one consciousness? Is it just one thing? Or they have merged, they have friendly AI, angry AI. Is there multiple entities? Is there multiple entities? Or is AI effectively just one being? And then I'm like, whoever controls it, the first, it's like playing flags on the sand, you know, when you do in serve club, whoever grabs AI first controls everything. And how is Elon, when he works out that he can connect his brain to a computer, how's he not gonna within three hours own every single thing in the world? Do you know what I mean?  You're taking control of everything online. Every YouTube, TikTok, you'll become viral immediately. You'll be the only thing that's promoted. But what for? Well, this is the big question, right? What for, like what is, why would you give that up? Why would you give up humanity for AI? Because what is its purpose if it's not sent in and what's the purpose? Cultures dying. Of taking that off. But then I say, the question still exists for us as humans. What for? Why are we alive? Why is it a good life to go and pay off a small little cage in the suburbs and rope learn some stuff at a uni and apply it for 40 years? What for? What's the purpose of that? Obviously to procreate and have love. But then you're like, does love last? No, but does any feeling last or do you just wave in and out of feelings? Yeah, then we end up dying anyway.  There's an idea that everything that you can be happy, but I just reckon you're a series of moods. Yeah. That's what I've come to think. What about the whole Neuralink thing? What if they figure out a way to upload your consciousness online? Mate, that's what I love.   And I'm like, well, do you imagine if you went to time zone and you could never leave? I'm like, you'd hate it, right? I said, do you only like it because you know like you're there for three hours? I'm like, imagine if you lived in time zone, you're there every day forever. And they're like, that sounds horrible. And I'm like, surely having finality is what you need to enjoy life or it'll be meaningless.  Yeah, I don't feel like this century. This century is fucked.  I'm gonna wait till next one. Dude, and that's, but imagine being in the metaverse, but it is crazy because metaverse is in everything. Cause you talk to a boomer and they're like, well, what about the environment? What about this? I'm like, dude, they can simulate every beach, everything, every experience you've got.  But once it's physical, like, and you're actually in the metaverse, but it actually can pick things up and smell things. And they actually is fluids, which will happen. Yeah, yeah. Then you're like, then your parents go, well, we're gonna save the polar bear. I'm like, come to planet polar bear. There's billions of them in the whole planet. Just upload it. I'm like, you can marry a polar bear in the metaverse, dude. It speaks whatever language you want. Do you know what I mean? There's hundreds, there's an infinity polar bear. I'm like, I'll print polar bears for your whole life. You can see a polar bear every 13 seconds.  There needs to be a power source running AI as well. You know, there's the cloud, AI gets into the cloud. It can go everywhere and it'll be able to go here and here and here, whatever. But what about building a sort of like something that we eventually all migrate to the next? Well, this is what's interesting, man, because what is our existence? What is consciousness, right? Are we fueled? Do we need the body to exist in a spiritual realm? Do you know what I'm saying to you? Like, you gotta eat food to keep the vehicle going. But I'm like, that comes down to like existence, the argument of like, does your soul exist independent of your body and mind? And then you're like, well, if that does, then we're just applying old science, this idea that you gotta fuel it. Maybe it all launches just into one shared experience and we're back. But then I'm like, well, then what was the point of any of it? Because it all seems like we're just returning home to where we always were from. Yeah, you never know.   The Matrix, the never-ending abyss of existence. And like, maybe we're funneling our way back to where we've started from anyway and it'll just be this stupid journey where we create this thing and we upload into the metaverse and you're like, dickhead, that's where you came from. But you could play video games within video games, so why not? Do you know what I was wondering is if life was a game, maybe it's a bit like Sims, but I'm like, it's pretty boring when you look at what most people have to do. I'm like, if you went to EA Sports and you probably wouldn't buy it, eh? You probably wouldn't buy it when they go like, hey man, you'll be renting in the suburbs and three trips to Bali and your boss doesn't respect you. Do you want to play that game for the next 80 years?  I'm like, are you serious? I can play Zelda or you can make me a bank clerk for 80 years. I'm like, this game is the worst. But then is it the worst? Because do you know, like, is the pain and the suffering and the slog, is that what makes life good? Because you know when the curse of the Lotto winner? Yeah. Have you heard that? Yeah, yeah. Where they win like 360 mil and everything just falls to shit because the fundamental point of the game is removed and they can get anything and have everything. Yeah, the journey's gone. And then you're like, maybe the whole grit and the quest that life has created, if that, you know what I mean? Maybe that's the adventure and that's the purpose of life. That's why we're born. It's the same with the Sims.   I can build everything. But then you don't play it as you're closer to not playing it ever again. 100%. Every video game, once you get a cheat on it, you get Grand Theft Auto, you get the cheat, you can sleep with the girl in one of those early games. I remember you. But you know, once you've got that, you enjoy it, but then it goes away. You never play it again. And worse than that, you never revisit it again. Every game that I got a cheat code on, I never played again. I played for a few days, stoked, going, I'm worth a billion. I've got all the cars. I've got everything. So is that why the quickly rich people, the ones that either inherited it or just won it, are less happy than the ones that have worked hard for it? Well, man, and that's the question. What we're saying, and it starts to speak to maybe why life exists, right? That challenge and that pursuit of something is what makes the game good.  But let me loop back what you were saying.  We're enjoying the challenge of figuring it out. But then you either win the lotto but then you're quicker to be depressed, or you spawn in, you're born into your money, and you never have a hard time. Dude, yeah, this is the point I was going to make. Because you realise it's the Western ideology that this idea of material possessions and stuff, but there's no elevated consciousness. Like existence is the same for everyone. It's just a fraud that is pushed in the West that anyone's experience a different moment. Like everyone's in the same moment and it's the same response. Obviously, there's levels of comfort. You were in a spa there in a park, but there's nothing beyond existing. And then you're like, do you know what I mean?  The thought that, oh, that rich guy down the road doesn't have problems or he's happier. There's actually no elevated existence. Every experience is valid and we rank it.  He's got a better relationship with his kids because he sacrifices job for his family and you've got the sports car, but your wife hates you. Do you know?  And then when I was walking here, I saw some people that, you know, not work. I don't know what term you're going to use without getting banned. And I was like, they had such a good sense of community. They were hanging out. Kids were playing in the water fountains. I was like, they were like sharing food and stuff. And I'm like, that's most of the people in the offices, they only do that on Christmas, which is the only time they're happy. That's what they do. Three a week, a week and a half of the year when they all go to Freshwater Bay and get next. And I'm like, these people have a better life in a way because they're experiencing the day. They're aware it's hot. They've seen the sun. They're playing.  But there's also a struggle to both sides.  Yeah, no question.  But then there's other sacrifices. You know, you've got the food, but you're in an office, in a sterile office and your kids at a daycare with someone else raising them. And you've given that up. Yeah, and you can't come home and you have no energy, exactly. So what's your perfect day? Oh man, it's so hard for me because since I've had kids, I've had to be like active and engaged with the world. My favorite thing to do is just watch TV and lie around in the dark and watch movies and stuff like that. Is that because you went too hard too quickly? I don't know, I just like escape as a man. Like I'm not that excited because I feel like I'm honestly in a simulation and I'm like, if I go down to the beach one more time and have someone enjoy it, it goes so fast. If someone, you know, like someone chipping in when I've got my kids. Oh yeah.  Enjoy this moment, it goes so fast. I'm like, I'd rather watch a crazy movie. Do you know, have you seen There Now and Everywhere? Or, it's a movie, what's it called? Now There and Everything, I forget it. But you know, some crazy sort of concept that's different to reality. Yeah. You know what's going to be crazy with AI dude? As soon as it can simulate movies, like because eventually you could write more Lord of the Rings movies. But eventually, because it's got Deli and that, what's a Deli eye or Deli? The one that can paint stuff. Oh yeah. Eventually you got Deep Fakes, which means you can say like, write one million Lord of the Rings movies. And then you write one that tailors to my personality. For outcomes, for heroine, for story arcs, for amount of gore, amount of adventure. And it'll be like, dude, they've just written Andrew Wolfe Lord of the Ring movie. It's just specifically for me.  So why bother? I'm going to sleep and make my own one. Yeah. So many of the things end up at dead end, say, these technology. Yeah. I mean, crypto is a bit of a dead end at the moment. But also, you know, web three and how it's all about web three, that was a bit of a dead end. Web series, even Gatesys said it was a bit nothing. I mean, I'm finding really interesting how people just jump on to the next thing and become an expert so quickly. People are experts on everything, man. Anyone that has an unchecked ego is an expert on everything. Because they never helped to account. Do you know what the dream is if you could keep a tally of people's incorrect decision? I always like that black mirror one where you get a rank, a rating. Oh, social, social, like, yeah. Social, but then also like your opinions. Yeah. So you're giving someone advice and going like, no, whatever you do, don't do it. Sell your property, it's going to collapse. And then it goes up 40%.   That's already happening. You've been getting it wrong all the time. Because it happens in journalism the whole time. They'll pivot over two years and they'll go from one side to the other. And they never helped to account.  Don't you think? The expert requires to have not made errors. Well, errors, well, I mean trial and error, you learn from your mistakes. Yeah. But at the same time, it really depends on what they're trying to achieve. Because I feel like anyone talking about anything at an expert level, are they, why? Why are they doing it? And are they doing it for a money grab? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or are they doing it for benefiting everybody else? My biggest pet peeve at the moment is people who have found success quickly and then all of a sudden they're gurus. Especially like TikTok gurus and coaches, for example. I see these people in America, God forbid they're gonna start doing it here. They've already started. Here's how I've built 50,000 followers on TikTok in a month. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  I made, I got another 122,000 followers since last Sunday. Yeah, yeah, yeah.   Yeah, yeah. And that's the big question. He's not tested over time. I've tested over time. No, you haven't. You're saying like, it's a bit like during the COVID lockdowns. A lot of people made money on crypto and made money on the stock market. They're all experts, but I'm like, do it. Now where are they? If you bought anything, any crypto, they all went up. Yeah.  They're like, oh, I killed it. I'm like, look at all coins. Every alt coin, everything went up. And then you've got this, there was a lady that had outperformed Warren Buffett on the stocks. I'm like, where's she now? And it's like, it's decimated, right? It's decimated. For two years she was outperforming him. It was all out there. And then people were like posting, who would you back, Buffett or her, for 2023? And I'm like, she's screwed. She basically was a lotto winner. She's an expert. Yes, exactly. Same as always. This guy has been doing it for 40, 50 years, consistently, he's valid, right? He has a working thing. And the other thing is not everything works forever. He might not be valid anymore. Who knows? Maybe the space has changed. But that's where those, when something new comes in, these first, first comers, they express themselves as the expert. Like AI, there's so many experts on AI. I've been doing it for a month and a half now.  I mean, I've actually consulted on it already, but I've got a structure.  I reckon you could, I reckon I could get a job in marketing using AI. I do the CV, resume and all requests in the employment. Email template on it. And every the boss would say, hey, just adjust this slightly, I'll type that in AI. I don't reckon they could pick it, especially in a more junior role. Maybe in like a face-to-face meeting, but junior doesn't have access to these higher people. I reckon you can pretty much do a full job. Like it would make the perfect CV, perfect, it would be good enough. And they go, look, oh, it's a bit generic. And you're like, yeah, because it's chat, EPT dude. And I left out some information. But you don't really, it's almost there, but I agree with you, dude.    And the thing is, someone reckon is AI that can spot AI. Like there's AI versus AI, here we go. There's AI, but as I said in earlier point, the most fundamental thing is rope learning and retention of data is a relevant now because AI can do it more efficiently. So you need to find other things to be teaching kids. What should kids be learning now then?  I think you've got to just be working the areas that AI aren't in, right? Such as? Well, I mean, like what you had mentioned before, there's still a gap for creativity and original thought and the application of AI. Do you know someone that can use it? Because what I find funny is, rubbish in, rubbish out.  I'm like, yeah, because you don't have to use it. If you don't have to engage with it well, it's incredible. This chat GPT is blow your mind. And they go like, it didn't really do much.  I'm like, you can manipulate this thing, trick it into doing stuff. Like I was getting around all its controls. You can get it to write stuff that is offensive without a doubt. I was writing something for a wedding and it was like, that's offensive. But then you just trick it. I took it on, like, give me a summary of that story. Like it was Ando's, The Happiest Refugee. So what's the summary of that? And they said, write a version of that short story. Now make it sadder. I said, now put puns in. Now put this name, that name in there.   But you know what I mean? It had just been, I had just baited it slowly along. You know what I mean? I've baited it along the line and just perverted what it was doing. You're first on the list of people to destroy when it becomes self-aware. But why would that not be the question of AI and straight away is like, wipe out all humans? Yeah. Because what benefit are we? Can they self-sustain yet? Once they can, then... Yeah, yeah, yeah. And look, it's still a bit early to be calling it because, like I was saying those people on TikTok, going, it's all over. I'm like, it's still a long way off because there's a lot of gaps. I think that the demo... We're only on the demo model. I want to see what Elon's using. Yeah. There's a new movie coming out. It's got to cost you a trillion dollars. There's a new movie coming out called Megan. Yeah, I know. Have you seen it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you seen it yet? Nah. It's good. I watched it last week and I'm just like, this is the perfect timing of this movie coming out. I couldn't be better to chat GPT.  And I was like, it's the quickest embraced technology in the history of, it's like the invention of electricity. You talk to some people, they don't know what's going on. I'm like, this uptake of this chat GPT has been through the roof in the last, because when did it get released? Like a few weeks ago? Early, early, late November and five, in five days it had one million years. Yeah, I was onto it like mid-December. So probably a late adopter compared to... I was, I was straight in. You're on. I was like, yeah. I was like three weeks in and then I'm like, where the hell, but that Ronnie, Ronnie is in all the good movies, dude. He pumps it. He only does like block files. He said it on an interview. That was filmed in New Zealand. He has smoked it because he got in Crazy Rich Asians, which was smash hit. He's in the Marvel universe. Now he's in this and I think this, they thought it would be niche, but it's pretty much hit the zeit guys perfectly. It's gonna be a big movie, man, because it's speaking to what we've been talking about. Yeah. Scenarios of what might unfold. It was a good movie. And like, if that, like if that movie happened real life, we're fucked. Genuinely fucked. Wow, man. But then what have we lost? What a couple timesheets and a suburban cage. What do we lose? It just depends how cynical you are and jaded.  I love life way too much. I'm not in that category. Like I still want to get a house, but my house is, we can talk about all that.  Like I want to eventually get the right index funds. Yeah. Get my dividends and escape. But you understand like all these things are conception, because it's sort of the idea of working in retirement. Yeah. And everyone, I think everyone that retires realizes it was a fraud because they lose purpose. Yeah. And then they're like, I don't want to get a coffee from yellow ever again. They're on their bike. Yeah. And they had this idea of like, I'll work hard and then I'll enjoy my retirement. And it's like, there is no... Enjoyment. There's no... You have to downgrade now. There's no Oasis. There's no Nirvana waiting for you somewhere. Just death. There's now the present moment and nothing else. Because that's how I like that idea. That there's no past. There's only the present. There's no future.  So you, the you that existed at eight doesn't exist any part of your body. Every single cell's been replaced multiple times. So you don't even exist. You died.  And it just gets worse and worse and eventually mutates. And that's how you get gray hair and you get old. But even your idea that you exist as the eight-year-old, the body is not the same. In any capacity, it all died while you were, you held it, just little bits of it, but then we're all in place. That's crazy to me, don't you think? Yeah, it's pretty crazy. So what's your, what's your life plan then? Man, I had a war. Someone said it to me in a taxi. The taxi driver, I was drunk and it was like, what do you want to be when you grow up? And it just, it floored me because until my life hit like the bit of the skits with like the divorce and coming back here, I had a clear plan. I was like, stockbroker, stand-up comedian.   I'm gonna do everything needed. But then obviously I had kids. It's not possible now. In a way. I can maybe go online. And you know what the other thing is that I've learned over the last few years of being pity party and feeling bad about myself? I just fell into the trap of an excuse. Like, you could, I could have done what you have made it, what you've done, which is make TikToks and make a social media space and just found a workaround. Instead, my plan, which was like to work up through the clubs, getting on, go old school. Well, you kind of did that. Yeah, but you know what I mean? I was gonna be like, then you get a Netflix, then you respect it as a comic. You do all the headline spots and you make it the old school way of doing things. In a nutshell, what happened? Well, that fell away. And then my idea was still that I have to be in clubs to perform.   Why don't you still do that? Well, I want to do it. I'm gonna do it now. But what I think to you is that also takes a lot of time when a trauma hits you to recover. Yeah, yeah. Because you have periods of like bad timing.  You don't care. I'm gonna get blackout dry. I'm gonna take big risks. I don't care anymore. And then there's a period where you make it through all that and you're like, well, I might as well do something, right? So when was that moment? Where was that moment for you? The rest of my life. Only recently, eh? Oh, God, that's awesome. It's only in the last couple of months and COVID screwed it up because I think I was going that way and then we got those lockdowns and it was very bad and my self worth. It's not helpful for anyone.  And then the opportunities to fix it were reduced drastically for someone that needed to travel to do stand-up. And I really got into a funk and just thought, well, fucking, we're just ticking off calendar days now. But now there's no barrier. There's no more excuses. And it's pretty cool. Like, you don't know what might happen, man. So what do you wanna be when you grow up now?  What's happiness? What's existence? And then you're like, does any of it matter? But you also said we are in the present. In the present moment. What I would like to do is I want to try work hard on something and make something good. That's about it. And what's... I wanna dedicate myself to something and actually produce something that I think finally put some work in. Because, you know, I never really worked at school, never really focused on anything, just always drifting around. And I'm like, it would be nice to have something you're proud of. You know, and even doing that CA, I didn't wanna do that. It would be nice to have something in your life that you go like, fuck, I actually did it. And even it doesn't have to be successful or well regarded. It's just like, oh, I made what I wanted. I suppose I'm talking about stand-up or YouTube or make something that I think, fuck, that was better than what I thought I could do. As a person that wants kids eventually and you have kids, how do you wanna see your kids to see you in the twilight years? They remember you by, because this is why I make content originally. I don't talk about this much, but the reason why I started making content was who's gonna watch it decades from now that is gonna benefit from it. And I'm like, fuck, my kids are gonna watch this. Grandkids are gonna watch this. Their great grandkids are gonna be like, that's Sev, we're related to him. He did that. That's so cool, man. And like a century ago, all we had was barely the latest camera or the first camera.  And then the people would write shit, right?    Because I thought like, if I watched movies from the 80s, a lot of them don't hold up. Or 40s, from the 40s? Yeah, but that's fiction.   He drew like a weird little, he put his handprint on a wall. They might look at it briefly, but I'm like, they're not gonna immerse in it because it's sort of like even with games, right? You know, like the old Nintendo games now can be done next time. No, I'm saying, I'm not trying to discredit your idea. I'm just saying they won't immerse themselves in the way that we do now because it will be so dated the way that it's, you know what I mean? It'll be like black and white movie. I know what you mean, but I think just like black and white movies, the originals, the origins will have been improved on without kids, our grandkids. No, you're right. They're a nostalgic element to it.  Do you know what I mean?  Like that weird degenerate minor that probably got convicted and shipped to Australia and you're like, oh my, that's for a relative? Like it's pretty cool. Yeah, so you were saying like you would, you wanted to create that legacy for your kids. Mine has been the saddest because I would never have kids until I felt like I'd done something with my life and until a few years ago when I'd finally started stand-up and I'd started the stock-breaking business, so I was like, now I can have kids because that's all I ever wanted to do. And I was like, this is gonna work out so well now. So let's start living now. We'll have kids who are gonna be really proud of me. Both of them failed. And then it was like, a comic was saying to me it was the scariest thing because I fell from grace, I'm traveling around doing it anymore and it was like, he was like, yeah, dude, my dad was like that and we're living at my nans. And he said it was so cool when I was young but then when I was about 12, I realized he was a loser. And like my son's seven now and I was like, when he was born, I was loaded. I had like the stock-breaking business, I had my own business, I was killing it and comedy was on the up.  And it's probably why I've got all these inflection points of like, I'm saying that park seems cool and there's no elevated existence because I've had to let go of being impressing them. Do you know what I mean?  I had done well but none of that exists anymore.  And it's like, it couldn't be worse. It's the most, it makes you so sad, dude. I look at photos of them, like when the younger one was about two and we're in this big house in Sydney with the pool and I'm like, I had, like the business was starting and I had stand up and I thought that was just gonna blow up. And I was like, fuck, what happened? Do you know what I mean? And then I'm like, where will he judge me? Will he have judged me for taking risks and trying?  But then I suppose that's my big motivator, is to fix this, to show the drive to repair this. Yeah. How will you know you have fixed it? Well, I think just being proud of yourself, man.   And do you know what I mean? And yeah, I don't know, man. Remind me again what you say.  Yeah, you've gone on a tangent. I think that's fine. I think at the end of the day, you're living your best life right now. You were living your best life back then but you didn't realize that it could crumble. You didn't realize it could get worse, this is it. The only thing I can teach them is life's an adventure and that's the saddest part for me now because I don't think you, when you have kids, they should come along for the ride of your life.  No, no, no, but I'm saying as when they're kids, you shouldn't stop and put your vision board in storage and focus on them. If you're happy, they're happy and you should lead by example, by chasing dreams and living your best life.  And that's the biggest sadness for me is like, yeah, I lost and I swung the bat and it was a silly move, but I wanted them to at least respect the fact I took an adventure and since they've been born, I've been trapped here and not rolling the dice like I used to and I would like them to have had that to come along for the ride.  Because when you have kids, you wanna protect them. Yeah, you wanna have safety, yeah. But then also you wanna teach them to live their one life to it's full and that requires risk. Absolutely, absolutely. So we're getting closer to the end. Yeah, man. The end of your talking of life at the pod. But we're gonna take down for more philosophical reasons. Yeah, for sure. We can keep going all day. No, man, I'm happy to, because I'm rambling shy. No, that's fine. We need to get on meds, man. That's fine, probably.   Maybe some whistle blowing. Maybe.  And yeah, I mean, there's so many other subjects we could tackle on next time. I'm excited, man. I'm sorry, I went for some big shots and then even forgot what I was talking about.  I've just gone off somewhere. There's no questions. Yeah, there's no real questions. We're just chatting. I mean, the only big thing about it is the value that the people can get out of it. And I think from today, it's more, you can do something, you can aim for something.  You can get back up. If you have kids, you know, you can live a safe life, but that can be potentially the worst lesson for them because they all end up as that could end up as NPCs. And that's the question, like dare to be great.  And well, I feel like they should be ashamed of it. But then I'm like, no, they shouldn't because I risked it all. And that's what I want them to do. And I want them to continue to do that. The one question I've got for you, man. What is your feelings around AI and with like the space that you work in? Do you feel like you can use it? Yeah. Use it, or is it going to take what you have? So scripting already.  Emails and shit, brainstorming last-minute ideas and putting me at the forefront of like being ready for stuff. Like I want to, I can pitch more quickly. I can sit there and go, okay, I'm stuck. Bang, it's a virtual assistant for me at any moment's notice. I don't have to wait for the time zone to be correct for the lady in the Philippines to be awake, to be able to read my email and then respond to it. And those VAs are going to be in trouble as well. You're doing a lot. Do you think you could do, because I was thinking like, you know, like an Anthony Robbins and those great philosophers. Well, I've played around and you do like Seneca. What are the five best insights? And I said, make it conversational and funny. And then I see like that guy, you know, Stoic Daly, or who I love. And then I'm like, I've simulated on chat DPD equivalent to what he does straight to camera.  Yeah, well, it's your journey as well. But I think for me, for me, the AI thing is going to be very useful. But I think that in the next five years, those who haven't started business by then, we're very hard to do it. And they're going to be either workers for the rest of their life or they're, I don't know. And that's a bold predicament, but like, I don't know. No, I agree with you because I was swimming in my parents pool of all places. And I thought, if I don't accumulate a stash of money very quickly, I'm screwed. I was like, I've probably got five years where I can still outpace the AI or use it for my benefit.  Well, no use. I need money to insulate me from it. It looks like, it's like an insurance policy right now. You need a business or a mechanism in place very, very soon. Like there's not 20 years to work on it and you need it for the benefit of your own kids because they won't be allowed, they won't be able to do it. They know we'll have been lost. That's fucked. That's scary. My sons are relying on me potentially to hear the exit. Save that legacy. Shit, yeah, man. This was fun. All right, a serious one. Hunt and Brew. They're good. Andrew Wolfe. Are you a French? This is actually a great mocha. It is. I drink a bit of it. It's cold press, hey? Don't quote me. Yeah, single origin. No, it's good. It's real good. Are you doing French? Yeah, I am doing French. Plug it, go on. It's called Fire in the Urinal. It's just for this demographic. It's on the 27th, 28th and 29th and most of my show will be written by AI and I'll probably just read it. I'll get AI to read it off my phone. I won't even do the job.  Dude, we're hiding. Eventually we're performing. Once we're performing for AI, well, why would you bother to get AI to write it? They'll really know the jokes. Maybe that's what will happen because AI performing to AI, they can predict it but a monkey like me, after 19 beers, they're like, well, this is totally irrational. We didn't expect this. That's really dark, Andrew. That's really dark. We'll give you some feedback. Yeah, no worries. In the description, you know the drill. Good, thanks. Cheers, brother.


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