Welcome to Dare to Dream. This is Debbie Dashinger. And today's show is going to be featuring Jerome Martin. We'll be talking about multidimensional coaching, CE5 facilitation, plus training in metaphysical science and regenerative detoxification. The Dare to Dream show won the COVR award for best radio and podcast show. WELP Magazine named Dare to Dream, one of the top 20 best podcasts to listen to this year. Apple Podcasts lists us as top ranking under self-improvement and nominated for two People's Choice Podcast Awards and a Webby Award. This show is sponsored by Dr. Dane here in Access Consciousness. They do beautiful energy work out into the world. If you want to take a class or become a facilitator, go to drdanehereer.com. I'm Debbie Dashinger. I am a media visibility expert. And that takes several forms. The first is I am a book writing coach. I do two Zooms a month with people from all over the world live coaching so you get your book done. And I will tell you it is a great honor for me to lead this class. I'm humbled by who shows up and wherever they start, they are becoming such magnificent writers, all of them. I also have a company that takes your book to a guaranteed international bestselling status and I do all the heavy lifting for the author. And finally, I've got a class that shows you how to be interviewed on radio and podcasts and get massive results. You can sign up for my free gift so you can learn how to start these things and become way more visible right now. Go to Debbie Dashinger.com slash gift, my gift to you. It's D-E-B-B-I-D-A-C-H-I-N-G-E-R.com slash gift. My guest today, Jerome Martin, assists awakening star seeds who wish to establish open communication with their galactic families. Jerome facilitates direct contact experiences with ETs of the light who assists you in remembering your purpose in this lifetime and accelerating the development of psychic abilities to equip you to serve at your highest potential. Jerome works closely with the Octurians who have awakened his dormant ability to operate interdimensional light-ship technology and have charged him with facilitating CE5 experiences to usher in a new era of spiritual development. Jerome instructs others on how to access and operate this technology, working in unison with higher dimensional beings to create life-changing shifts in yourself and the world around you. For more information, go to projectstarborn.com and a little bit later in the show notes, we are gonna mention the Conscious Life Expo and if you want tickets to the Conscious Life Expo to hear Jerome speak or to see me leading the ET Origins panel and he is one of the panelists on that, you'll see the way to get the tickets. There's over 15,000 people of our tribe, our spiritual beings, lightworkers who show up there every year. Please don't miss it, it's phenomenal. And with that, I welcome the amazing Jerome Martin to dare to dream, just unmute yourself and say hello to everybody, Jerome. So excited to have you here. Hi Debbie, hi everybody. I'm excited to be here as well. So it's a blessing. It's like, I feel like we booked you so long ago and it's like, finally the day is here, right? Prump, prump, prump. Yeah, super excited, I've been waiting. Yeah, yeah, and I've gotten to know your work so I feel somewhat schooled at some of the, you know, advanced things.  I just did a testimonial for you, for your work. And that's really how I would describe what you do, Jerome, is it is now, it is the stuff that's needed right now. Forget about new age, right? It's now age, it's happening, we're in it. So can you share a little bit about the things you offer to people who come to work with you that facilitates us being here now and having the teams we need and all the great stuff you provide? Absolutely. So I provide a myriad of services and training and things like that. The training developed later, it started off with me just being able to connect to people and take them up into these light ships where I connect to your consciousness and I bring you up into these interdimensional light ships where not only the Arcturians but different members of your galactic family, you get to interact with them. And they telepathically teach you not only about yourself, a lot of times they give you your purpose but then they deliver tools to you to help you serve your purpose. So it's a really awesome experience because you get to experience multi-dimensionality but you also get to experience telepathy with beings of higher consciousness. And it's such an amazing experience. And that's how this started. It started happening for me. And then after a while of working with them, they're like, well, you can do it now too. And so I started being able to take other people up in the light ships. And I was doing that for a while and then it morphed into now you can train other people on how to do what you do. And so they sort of showed me how I can reverse engineer and then train people. And that's why I call myself an applied metaphysics instructor because I teach metaphysical science and then it's more like a personal trainer. I take you through experiences that help you build the faculties in that way you can do it on your own. And there's a bunch of other services individually but that's sort of the gist of what I've been doing. What do you call it metaphysical sciences? What is metaphysical science? So traditionally the metaphysical science is the study of the nature of reality. And if people don't really know what that is, everyone's part of astrology and how the planets and the stars, the energy affects our consciousness. That's like the most basic form to help you understand how we're programmed by these energies. But metaphysical science at its root is tapping into altered states of consciousness. And so what people know, or if I told you these things, you'd be like, oh, that's a metaphysical sciences. Metaphysical science is meditation, self-hypnosis, affirmation, prayer treatment. Those are the four core cornerstones of metaphysical science. And then you can use those to alter your states of consciousness so then you can interact with higher dimensional states. A lot of people have a hard time meditating or I can't do this, I can't visualize. Well, yeah, because none of those things you can do until you access altered states of consciousness. And when I say that, people are like, well, what is that? Altered states of consciousness is being able to at will shift your brain waves from beta, which is where if we're having an engaged conversation we're in the beta range of brain waves, being able to shift from beta into alpha through theta into gamma and being able to hold that range of brain waves while you're doing these operations. So all of the psychic abilities, whether you're doing remote viewing or Akashic records or healing or any of the stuff that I do, all operates in a high frequency or it's a lower band but in a certain brain wave state. And so you have to be able to access that and hold that in order to engage in these operations. Okay. And quantum perspectives and quantum physics, the understanding of entanglement and super position, non-locality, all of that, it can be really challenging to the conventional ideas of reality. Are there ways Jerome to bridge the gap between quantum physics and metaphysical science to find the connections to understanding the universe? Yes. And so the best way I can describe it is the metaphysical science, though it's mostly taught as principle and that's why I teach applied metaphysics is like, this is how you actually do it. The metaphysical science when you apply it is this is the way that these happen and the quantum physics is more of the science behind it. And there's a bunch of other different, we call it it's morphogenetic field science and different. There's a bunch of other high tech names for it but that's more of like the study of it and how it works. And so that's like the background of it versus this is how we actually use it. And so it's, you know, the difference between like knowing about a thing versus applying it and the gap between them is just understanding them. I mean quantum physics talks about entanglement but in metaphysical science, I just entangle to you and it's less about how it works versus we just do it. It's more of like telling time versus how the clock is built. Good explanation, thank you. And I am so curious since you responded to your first question and how you described it and you said, they were working with me. So can we go there? Can you talk about have you had direct extraterrestrial experience, close encounters, direct encounters? What has it been for you? Yes, so I started having close encounters in 2017. My life completely changed from there. I was a construction worker and I was building landfills, traveling across the United States, just were operating heavy equipment, digging big holes and I would take naps on my lunch break just in my truck. And I thought it started off as weird dreams because they started contacting me first in dream state and then through meditation, it would just start happening and then eventually I could go on my own. So it was unconscious and then sort of I'm aware of it then I could do it myself. And these dreams, how they started happening was I would be in my truck sleeping and then the dream would start as though I'm in my truck and then these blue beings at the time I didn't see them how I see you, later they developed into seeing them as ETs. I feel like they came to me as just silhouettes of light because I might have been scared if I thought there was something else because I didn't understand at the time. But in these dreams, they would circle around my truck and sometimes they were like standing through it. So they were like, you know, just phasing through matter and they would like put their hands on me and I would hear wub, wub, wub, wub, wub and then I'd be like going up this like tube of light like through space and I'd see this like what I thought at the time was a large floating city similar to like that disc behind you. But it looked like I just like, oh, a city in the sky I didn't understand. And then when I was there, these beings were, I don't know if you've ever seen the TV show where it's like American Ninja Warrior Challenge where they're like, it's like obstacle courses. They had me there and they were like, all right, look it you're gonna learn how to lift yourself up and you gotta float yourself from platform to platform. I'm like, okay, why? And I'm just like, just do it. I'm like, what a weird game that these blue lights are showing me. And so I started doing that and then and so what was crazy is this started this was happening sequentially. Like I'd have one dream where they take me through a short part and then I would wake up and like that was weird. And then I would have other dreams throughout the week and then I would have another one of these dreams. But when this dream, when the next of dream happened it lined up exactly with the other one started or with the other one ended. So it was like, you know, 10 or 15 times. And so after they showed me how to move from platform to platform, then it was like, okay here's a geometric image like a cube or you know, it was mostly cubes where they're like, okay now connect to the cube and lift the cube up. Okay, so then I had to move the cube across the platforms from one side to the other. I'm like, okay. And then in another dream, they were like, okay now you can move yourself and the cube now you float and lift the cube too and move yourself and the cube across. I'm like, this is so strange, but cool. I'm like, I don't understand. I'm like, weird dreams. And but then after that then they started coming to me during meditation. I would just be meditating and then boom I'm up on and now I realized it was a spaceship. It wasn't a city of light. Now I'm on a spaceship and the beings, you know they had features and they were telling me that they're the Arcturians and that they've been training me through my dream state to get me, they were building my light body. They're telling me that they were helping me train and develop my light body to be able to move back and forth consciously. And so them teaching me how to lift myself and then others, they were training me to be able to move myself from the third dimension up into the higher dimensions where this interdimensional technology is.  They also taught me that the ship is alive. It's a living light field. It's made of consciousness. And so you connect to the ship and the ship talks to you too. And the ship has all these different rooms where they operate all this awesome technology. One of the rooms is like looking glass technology where you go in there and you can ask questions and they just like show you up on the screen the answers. There's another room where they have med beds and different technologies where you put people in there and then they like quantum healing just like shifts and changes, things in your body real time. There's an Akashic library in there where it's like either books sometimes looks like crystals but they have all this galactic information for you to sort through. There's rooms where they work on you genetically. And when I say that, I know it might sound weird but they connect to you and they're actually activating your DNA. And so this is one of the places that I brought you where the beings come in there and they tap into you and they show you, you know about yourself and these are abilities and all this different stuff. While they're showing you and so it's interesting because they're showing you but it's like a process of remembering because after you see it then it turns on in your DNA. And so it's like a genetic room where they tap in your DNA they show you who you are and then it comes online. And so that's a couple of the rooms and there's a bunch of other ones but I could go on for days and so I'll just, you know those are the couple that I wanna talk about. And so this is going on for some time and even I told about this they thought I was going crazy and until I was able to start bringing other people you know, when, when if I talk about it and no one else can experience it it seems like well that's, you know, strange but when I can now bring other people and that's what they were showing me floating up and grabbing an object and bringing it with, you know they were teaching me on how to entangle to somebody else and bring them consciously up to the ship as well. And so I didn't realize that they were training me the whole way and I didn't understand it until I got to a certain point where it all just made sense and they're like, you can do it now too. Oh, so for instance so I've had two sessions with you so while I was having and they were two very different experiences so you were actually facilitating at the same time it's not like you were instructing me and sitting back, you know and waiting that I would report back you were actually in there with me facilitating the success of all of this to happen for me to go up to the light ship and connect with the beings I did and all of that. Is that correct? It is correct and that's why, you know I talk about applied metaphysics instructor is because all of these things it just takes guidance on this is how it works and so when I facilitate it the light ship is a it's a consciousness light field, right? So it's a ship but it's an extension of myself and everybody has one at a certain point when their energy accretes to a certain amount everyone has everyone's capable of this but so this ship is a part of my consciousness and when I bring you up in there I'm bringing you into a into a interdimensional container that is made of my energy and so the beings that are then inside once we're inside that space it's a collective field so the beings that are in there are a part of me but they're also a part of you and the space allows us to work as a collective and so when we go in there and this is super interesting too I always wondered like why me? Like I'm just a human why are they bringing me up into these ships and why am I part of this? And it wasn't until I started doing this with clients for a while that a couple of people noticed they're like when we're up there and I look at you like you look just like them and I was like oh I get it so the actor like so I'm an actor in Starseed so I have this human meat suit but my consciousness when we're in higher dimensions looks like them because I'm one of them so they were just teaching one of to them they were looking at one of them not a human and so right but like when we're up there and how I facilitate it is I connect you with them and I instruct on this is how this works and it's the quantum entanglement so the entanglement allows the telepathy to happen and so as it's happening too they might be showing you things but like some of it is some of it it's a lot at once it's like a giant download where you're just like seeing these visions or images and my job is while they're showing you my higher self is connected to yours and theirs and if you're not getting all the information how they want you to understand it they have me prompt and ask other questions to deliver the message fully that way the tool or the instruction is integrated otherwise if you just saw a thing you might not know how to take that away and apply it in your life on your mission and so there's a bunch of facets of it but that's the main reason why there needs to be a facilitator because otherwise you can be flying blind and not understand what's going on.  So there was a transition period the first thing that they showed me was like how to operate and stuff like that and what's interesting is that there's actually an overlay that I didn't put together for a long time and I was like how do I operate these high-tech light ships but then I realized like oh I was a heavy equipment operator so I was already using my consciousness to operate something outside of myself that was like an extension that wasn't my physical body so when you're in an excavator you have little joysticks and you're moving the joysticks but the machine is moving so you're actually using your consciousness to move a thing that isn't you it's outside of yourself and the light ship is you and it's part of you but it's the same type of thing where you're operating it with your consciousness and so I think the whole path was like training up for this moment because if I wasn't able to understand that concept it would be even more hard to understand it on a metaphysical level. Yeah, the Octurians, the Pleiadians, the Syrians, the Lyrans, the Andromedans are they all your family or have they all contacted you at some point? Yes, so all of them, okay so the second thing that we did together was we did a DNA activation and in that activation your DNA strands are each connected to a different star system and based on your genetic profile you have connections to all these different star systems believe it or not people talk about past lives or parallel realities where actually there is no past or future there's just now, now, now and so everything's actually happening simultaneously so those other realities you actually exist in 1728 simultaneous realities and so those beings that are working with you in the light ship are actually yourself there are other versions of you that are coming transdimensional through time and space and so you're actually learning from yourself and that's how the integration happens you're teaching you and so this isn't a thing that's outside of you even though it might seem that way and these beings come and they can work with you where they feel like they're completely separate but they're actually part of yourself and so the reason why that's important is when you're up on these ships sure it was the Octurians that taught me this technology so that came through them but when you're on the ship it's not just the Octurians when we go into these rooms and work with these beings it might be Pleiadians and Dromed and Syrians there's Mantis beings there's all sorts of different beings and the beings that come and work with you are specifically the ones that you incarnate as so your DNA is connected to these beings and so it's a myriad and a whole collective field of these versions of yourself and on these higher levels your soul, you know we're experiencing our incarnational memories but then you have your soul your over soul your maharic, your Rishik level and so in these higher spaces these collectives it's all you it's all you too right and so you're learning from yourself and so as much as it might seem like it's external which on one level it is because we're in duality but in a unified field it's all part of yourself and it all comes within and that's why it's different than most things. My gosh, thank you for that Yeah you know and when I had my I think it was the first experience I had with you where I met the beings what I really was grateful for is that there was a level of letting go because I think it's really easy to get in your head about this and go well, I must be I'm a healer, I must be a Pleiadian or I must be a Mantis being or I'm a this or I must be that right and I actually had zero preconceived notions and some of what showed up was really interesting I would have never dreamed of it. So it's really interesting to hear you talk about oh those are actually your incarnations those are your aspects of you you know your family so cool because anybody who knows about galactic records or Akashic records understands they don't just exist here on the earth it is galactic, it is all the places and spaces you've been and not all of us have even been physical sometimes we've been energy sometimes we've been an amoeba sometimes we've been a cloud I mean literally, these are all living energies and so it's fascinating just to consider all the things we're doing as these growing over soul aspects of our over soul being so big transition for you, I can imagine and also concurrently you're like a sports guy right? You do some kind of martial arts, is that correct? Yeah, so I was never really big in like organized or team sports growing up I skateboarded and then I've been into martial arts for you know, since I was 10 years old I'm a Black Belt and Hop Keto I'm actually gonna be getting my second degree Black Belt pretty soon I'm a licensed instructor I just don't teach my first business was a martial arts school but I don't teach regularly but I enjoy it and that's actually how my spiritual path started because the martial art that I practice is Hop Keto which means the way of neutralizing energy and so sure there's a lot of body mechanics and pressure points and stuff but learning how to breathe and use the flow of energy to redirect someone's aggression or attacks that got me into learning you're breathing and you're putting energy in certain spots to cause an effect while I started learning that way and then one of my teachers was like well look you can also use your energy to heal after certain things you can help people with the energy and that's I started I went from there then I got into Reiki and then Reiki turned into working with different angelic guides for a little bit and then I sort of put a pause to it because like that was happening and then I went back to the mundane world started doing construction and all these different things and I just sort of like let it go for a while and then my consciousness was just not having it at a certain point they're like they like shook me awake they're like, hey, like your mission like you were started, you started along the way and you're working through earth school and like you're about your, it's like giving up before graduation like you're about to graduate and then you just like didn't show up to graduation and the Archperians started coming in because they're like, hey, you made it from earth school like it's your galactic level now time to start doing this because the population as a whole they're doing the same thing everyone's waking up and they're, we're here on earth and this is earth school we've always karmic lessons to learn all this stuff in duality but we're on the cusp of shifting into those higher dimensions and we're at the level where the government's telling everybody like UFOs all these different stuff like this is like disclosure is happening and so when this started for me everyone thought like ETs like you're crazy but now that it's being disclosed like, wow, this is actually a thing and people are like they're interested more and it's more where people are searching for it and so, you know, as that happened they were preparing me and getting me ready for like hey, this is coming like we need way showers to help people, you know connect and like it's time for this galactic level of schooling of ascension for humanity and so they sort of shook me awake and like hey, you fell asleep, wake up, get back to sleep. Wow, literally you did fall asleep but good things are happening while you were asleep. Oh my gosh, amazing, what a story that is. So you mentioned spiritual multi-dimensionality. What is that? Okay, so most people are only experiencing their third dimensional body, right? So you're seeing out of your eyes and you're just seeing life for what it is and we're stuck in duality, right? So the third dimension is duality but what people don't understand, well, so this is a funny thing too, people are like, well, where are the dimensions? Are they some far off place in the universe? No, they're actually like we are where the zero point and all of them are existing around us and in the three course that I have everybody I go through this and I explain it and you'll see a diagram that shows your multi-dimensional anatomy because there's actually, we have so everyone knows about the seven chakras that are connected to your Kundalini energy and if you've seen a diagram where it shows it looks like an onion where you have the different levels, the chakras turn into like an aura but you actually have more than that. There's 15 dimensions in the 15 dimensional time matrix and so each dimension is stationed, it's connected to a chakra but it comes around you like an onion and so the way I talk about it when I teach it is if you've ever seen a Russian stacking doll how all the dolls are outside of each other and so we're stuck in this one and we haven't experienced the other ones and once we learn how to shift from duality, polarity into unity, we start being able to access we go from third dimension to fifth dimension and all of these other things happen once that happens and the biggest thing that stops us from accessing all these higher dimensions is our karma and our traumas, right? So, and this is where we start talking about shadow work and this is one of the things that we had to do when we first started everyone has experienced traumas growing up and a lot of people say like, well, I know what my traumas are like actually it don't because the things that are actually holding you back they're repressed, it's like a zip file where the images are condensed and zipped away because at the age when that happened we are not emotionally intelligent or developed in order to process adult situations so it gets locked away for hopefully some day when we can process these things and then integrate them and so that's like the chains that keep us in the third dimension and after we break those chains, we get access and that's when I started talking about the difference between single vector consciousness and multi vector consciousness. Single vector is when we're looking out of our eyes, right? This is what you see is what you get and then multi vector consciousness is when we can start engaging in these higher dimensional things it's like, sure, you're actually in your physical body but when you close your eyes you can station your consciousness in another point in time and space. Remote viewing is a good way to explain that because you're literally seeing or experiencing something else that's outside of you and you can actually and why it's called multi vector is it's not just two it can be 10. I mean, we can go up on a light ship where we're conscious of our bodies here and then we're on a light ship but then there's another being and this is happening information streams there's all these things happening simultaneously and so when we talk about multi dimensional there's these different layers but there's also different access points and learning how to access the multi vectors is part of the magic. That is so magic and that was such clear explanation. I really appreciate that about density and also these different dimensions of where we reside. Yeah, and this stuff can be so confusing I know and I recently heard a really good I think somebody said it on my show just so you'll have to listen to the show to hear but it's a great explanation of all the different aspects because now you've mentioned a number and I wanna go back to that 1728 realities dear God unravel that how do you know that Jerome? Okay, so I actually read about it from somebody that has broken down consciousness but it also makes sense because everything's in 12s when it comes to you have 12 DNA strands and so in your identity matrix there's you have 12 incarnate identities and then the next level up is the soul identity and then you have 12 sets of 12 and the next one is 12 times 12 times 12 and so as it goes up, it expands by 12 and if you take all of them from the Rishik level down to the Maharak level down to the over soul soul and incarnate if you add them all up it adds up to 1728 and so and the beings that you're experiencing in the light ships are some of those other identities because when we go up in the light ship we're going up into the Maharak level of consciousness and that shield is the ship and all of the beings from lower and down get to, you get to experience them as a collective there and that's how we have access to them. Okay. And I know in your bio you talk about CE5 facilitation which is so cool. I have done Dr. Stephen Greer's CE5 I don't know modality I guess you'd call it it's an app really. What is your CE5 usage for establishing contact? I'd love to know. And then when you come out to California maybe we could do it together. Well, so the CE5 was the experience that we had when I took you up in the light ship and you communicate with the ETs. So close encounters of the, okay so close encounters of the first kind is seeing a ship in the sky or seeing something that, you know oh my God, I saw a light or a UFO see close encounters of the second kind is that you see a ship and then there's some sort of radio distortion or something that affected you too. CE5 is then like seeing an extraterrestrial like physically close encounters of the fourth kind is being like abducted or aboard a ship and then CE5 is being on a ship and also having direct open communication which is usually telepathic where you're it's typically happens in a benevolent way because a lot of times when people are afraid they shut off, they don't want to but CE5 is where you're having direct open communication. So when you experience these beings you're having open direct communication telepathically with those beings and not only is there communication but they're upgrading and they're working on your field and they're doing all these amazing things. And so that's what CE5 is is the direct experience with these beings. So cool. And that's actually so funny. I'm so used to in my world anytime here somebody says CE5 even though of course I understand what you're talking about but for me it's always Dr. Stephen Greer. Dr. Stephen, right? Going out to Joshua Tree at midnight and sitting in the dark against the mountains where there is spacecraft activity and doing CE5 work but that's just the name of his app. It is true. It's very true what you're saying. So I understand better how you facilitate that.  Yes. So one of the first ones that I ever did when I first started doing this my process actually changed because of this experience. When I first started facilitating this a friend of mine well it was a friend of an ex-partner they were in town and I was telling them like I can bring people up into spaces because he's like I don't believe in ETs. I'm like, okay, but you're not believing in a thing doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That's like saying I don't believe in trains. Well, choo choo choo there it is. You know, like it's like you're not believing it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And so he's like, well, I'm willing to I'm willing to try it, you know, I don't believe in it. I'm like, okay, well I'm gonna take you through this process. We had to do the shadow work first. And then when I brought him up into the light ship you know, we're going through the portal and when we get there so now when I facilitate we go into there's like a receiving area, right? And then we go into the place and then the beings come in before they would just be there when you show up and he's like, I don't believe in that. And so when we get there he's like, we're having this experience. He's like, ha, ha, because he's like not he didn't think that he was going to, you know see these beings and because he started panicking he was like, ha, ha and then the beings sort of like grabbed him with their energy and they like floated them up and when they floated them up like they disconnected him from his body. And so like he's there with me and now I do it over Zoom but we're physically in person and he's like, ha, ha and then you hear where he just like is passed out and he's snoring on the floor and then they take him into the room and they put him in the med bed and they're working on him and all this different stuff.   She's like, what do you mean I'm like, well, no, like it's fine.  I can't believe all the stuff that I was experiencing and she's like, what are you talking about? You're just snoring. He's like, yeah, I was snoring. Like, I don't know, but I was up there and he was consciously aware of what was happening in the higher dimensions but his physical body was put out because of the fear that he was feeling when he first started. And so that was one of the most memorable experiences and the guides showed me to change it a little bit and also to the people that are coming for this they are wanting to have these experiences with these ETs he was open to it, but not necessarily believing in it. So that was sort of like a shock and awe. And so I've sort of put in different safeguards in place to avoid things like that. What is he like now? I mean, that's pretty big for somebody who's a non-believer to have that level of experience. Is he changed around this whole subject? Yes, so lots of things have changed in him but one of the most important things and I keep talking about this is the shadow work before you can go and work in these higher dimensions you have to go through the shadow work process because when you're holding onto so these things that you experience it's not as much what you experienced but the emotional charge that is connected to it that we save in ourselves on our body. And so those emotional charges keep us locked in this density. So we have these low, everyone thinks like you got to raise your vibration actually the more you vibrate the more dense you are when you oscillate that's when you're less dense. So when you're going to higher dimensions you're oscillating at a higher rate. And so we're stuck here because of our vibration. And so, and it's because we're holding these dense energies on our bodies. And so the shadow work it integrates it frees up and integrates that emotional energy so that you can then raise to the higher planes and these higher vibrational beings they won't give you access. And the reason is that when you are holding trauma your whole experience you live through the lens of that trauma the partners you pick, the things that you do the things that you're afraid of are all based on your traumas. And so operating through that dirty lens of your trauma that's not really even allowed in the higher dimensions because when you're in these higher dimensions what you're experiencing and that's like manifesting real time. And so if you're looking through a dirty lens like it doesn't work. And so you have to clean that up first which then brings your oscillation higher for you even to access these places. So yeah, going through the shadow work he told me he's like, I don't remember my childhood I can't remember anything from since I was 15 and younger. And so all these things I got brought up he now remembers all of that. And then the beings taught him things helped him heal from a couple of things that he had going on with his body and also showed him his purpose. And so yeah, he's very much changed. That is like ginormous. I mean, first of all for non-believer but second of all for anybody having that experience that is a lot of big ticket items to accomplish in so short a time. Boy was his soul ready. So a friend of mine, he calls me the shock shop. He's like, you literally like some of these experiences are so, a lot of people aren't ready for these type of multi-dimensional experiences. Not that they're not ready, but they just haven't had them before. So it's like being shook and awake or it's like a thing that you, most people are like, I can't visualize or I've never been able to do that.  And so that was what happened to him as well. Shock shop, love it. You talked about the med bed. So I know what a med bed is but how is that for people having this experience? Talk about that a little bit. So similarly to how I brought you up into the ship and we worked with the beings that activated the certain things and showed you those things that that's one of the rooms that we can work in. There's another room in there that is like, it's the med bed room, but it's more like a medical room. And when you go in there, the beds, they vary but they typically, it looks like an egg-shaped tanning bed and the top lifts off. And so the person goes inside that bed and then it goes on, the top goes on and then a screen will pop up above them where it's like a viewing screen. And then these different beings from your healing team come in, a lot of times it's the Pleiadians but oftentimes it's also Mantis beings or Arcturians depending on your lineage or really what needs to happen, right? So they come in based on need. And so these beings will come in and then they surround you and they start working on you. And as they're working on you, they might be using different light tools or energy fields. And it's interesting, as they're working on you, they're showing you on the screen what it is that they're doing. So they first will pull up like, they literally connect to your genetic memory which pulls up your genetic blueprint of your body and it's connected with your higher self. So it shows you like what you have going on. So they first scan your body and they show you like, okay, your spine is doing this or oh, you have this thing going on or sometimes they just show you energetic blobs because believe it or not, things that are going on with us are not even physically related. They're emotional and then they manifest as physical, right? Because everything starts off as dis-ease and then it turns into disease over time. And so a lot of times they'll show you which emotional energies are in your organs that are holding that frequency that then manifests that disease and they'll go in and they release and shift those emotions and then the thing just literally real time will go away. An example of this was during COVID, a friend of mine called me and he's like, hey, my girlfriend's dad, he has COVID and he is in the hospital and they say that he probably has less than 24 hours to live because he has pneumonia and he only has like 17% lung capacity and he's on like a respirator and they're like, we don't think he's gonna make it. And he called me and he's like, can you do with the healing on him? I'm like, I don't know because typically you have to be present. You have to participate and we go through a session. I hadn't done it yet like that where the person isn't able to do that. And so I asked my higher self, can I do it? And my higher self said, yeah. And I was like, wow, they're like bring your friend and then we'll call in the higher self. So I brought him on the ship and then I called in the higher self of this man who showed up and that's where the free will still takes place, certain people they have, their disease or their sickness, a lot of people they need to experience that because of their karma, like they're meant to have it. So if somebody is, they want it or certain people they benefit from being sick. They get a paycheck or they get, their loved ones take care of them or they get, there's a certain thing that they get from it. So they're unwilling to actually heal. And so you can't use this higher dimensional technology on anybody that will break their will, right? It comes from a unified space. And if they don't want this to happen at a sole higher self level, you can't do it anyways. So we went up there, like we called him, he showed up, put him in the med bed, everything's quantum. And so I mean, the hologram that came up that's still connected to him. So we put that in the med bed and then it started scanning him. And it turns out that what was happening with his lungs had nothing to do with COVID or anything like that. It was emotional energy. And it was funny because the person, the friend that was there, the emotional energy was towards him because he had been like, it was a conflict with the daughter and it was like resentment and there was a few other emotions that he was holding towards this person and the energy had built up and then it manifested as this disease. So we went in and we're able to identify what it was, clear it up and then we reintegrated the hologram. And he's like, oh my God, like I hope this works. I'm like, yeah, well we'll see. And he called me three hours later. He's like, you won't believe it. He just like coughed up all this stuff and he is fine now. And they released him later that day. And that's awesome considering that, they said that he's got less than 24 hours to live and he's not breathing on his own and all of that. And so it's really awesome to understand how metaphysics plays a role in healing and disease and that a lot of disease is emotional energy through created by a trauma that we are unable to process and that some of the things it isn't just like the bone's broken while there's other things in play. And so it's really cool stuff. So does regenerative detoxification also have to do with med bed or is that completely separate? So it's completely separate, but it's supplementary because what happens with metaphysical science, okay, so this person brought him up in the med bed and it cleared the energy from the lungs. But so what I'm gonna tell you about metaphysical science and how disease manifests is typically, someone will have something in their liver and say it's a tumor or a cirrhosis or these different things in their liver. Well, how that manifested was at a certain point in their life they experienced a trauma, right? And this man that could have meant his wife left him, something happened to where then he got a broken heart and emotional trauma happened, right? And so every day when he wakes up he doesn't like how he feels, right? So because you don't like how you feel because of that emotion you cope and people cope through drugs, alcohol, food sometimes, sex, adrenaline, all these different things and guess what? All of these things, they are chemicals, right? And they're unnatural chemicals that you're putting in your body. And so what's super interesting is that when you go to cope, you're unconsciously because of the emotion. So each organ is assigned to an organ. And so based on your organ systems and your emotions, whatever, so for him it was anger and something else if it was for the liver but experiencing that emotion then because you don't like how it feels you cope when you assign those toxins or when you cope you're unconsciously assigning those toxins to that organ system. And so not only is the emotional, so the emotions create that lower density spot and you're assigning those toxins and then the toxins accumulate and then they manifest as physical disease. And so we can go in and we can clear emotions and clear all these different things but if you don't start learning how your body works and learning how to get your kidneys filtering and removing the metabolic and the metals and toxins from the body then those things can happen again because that energy, it's not only the energy but the toxins being there now is a, it's like a placeholder. It's a placeholder for that emotion to come back and manifest. So not only are we clearing it energetically but we wanna go in the body and clear out the physical aspect of it as well. And so I teach regenerative detoxification because and this is something I talk a little, a small amount about on that free video course but there's ways to prepare your body not only for healing but for entering these altered states of consciousness because the metals, the toxins, the parasites all of those things play a role in the pain and suffering that we're in. And so getting rid of those really puts us in a state that we're going to stay healthy because there's people that I've worked on where we fixed a thing six months later it remanifested because we cleared the energies and they saw what's causing it but they didn't change their actions. So you can remanifest the thing because you're stuck in the cycle.  I mean, we can clear it but if you don't take the actions to change your course correct then you're gonna remanifest that thing and that's up to the person because they have free will as well. And so I teach them hand in hand because knowing not only how it works energetically but then physically where the toxins and metals go and then the mechanism to get them out of the body it's all, it works hand in hand because we're not only on the fifth dimensional level but we're also here in the third. And so you have to use all of your tools. Right and like this man you described to us in the hospital where they thought it was COVID but you were able to through a substitute have this experience up in the light ship and you saw that it was emotion for him lungs is grief is unexpressed grief in Eastern medicine. So that makes total sense to me. And yes, liver is anger and so forth.  Like that is so apropos. You know, that's exactly correct because we get so stuck in this loop this repetitive loop in our lives never meaning to do that, never wanting to do that but it plays out over and over again and that's exactly correct. It is this dirty lens we've gotten so accustomed to believing and experiencing that we just think that's the way it is for me or even if we don't want it to be that is so it's great you have these tools for getting people out of that using the shadow work and finding the healing tools and the connections. You have brought up your free class and I wanna ask you about that. I know it's on your website preparing for multi-dimensionality which is so perfect for this conversation. Tell me about the class and where people can get it. Okay, so the class is on my website which is projectstarborn.com and when you go on the website it's the first thing right below the banner where you'll see where you can enroll for it. It's a free class. In that class, the first thing I talk about is the supplements that you should be taking to help your body remove the heavy metals, chemical toxins, parasites and then there's one specifically that helps make your nervous system more conductive, right? So as we are connecting to the higher realms of consciousness the more conductive we are, the easier it is. The reason why it's so easy for me to connect is because these supplements I've been taking them for years and I like to talk about it from upgrading from a landline to a satellite phone as far as the bandwidth and your ability, the quickness to connect. A lot of people are still operating on dial up and over here we have, it's not 5G but it's 5D, right? And so we're operating on completely different wavelengths and it's like Wi-Fi. You need to strengthen your Wi-Fi and your ability to connect and so removing the metals is one thing, the toxins, the parasites but also increasing your neural conductivity. Believe it or not, your brain and central nervous system is like organic fiber optic. All it does is send and receive light signals. Everything has light signals and when you communicate with beings in these higher realms everything is images, everything's just light. It's just light moving. And so we're a quantum supercomputer and understanding that it needs to be upgraded to a new operating system, that's part of it. And so I teach that part because that's like the 3D physical aspect gets you ready for that and it helps you prepare to be able to access these things at a higher rate. And so that's super important. That's the first part. The second part, and in that course too I give a links of all of like links to where to get the products that I use because they're the ones that I recommend. And then after that in the class I teach about altered states of consciousness, what those are, a few of the things we talked about here with the metaphysical science and then I go over what you can do once you access your altered state and then in that training I walk you through a guided meditative experience where I help you anchor in the energy fields that allow you to access those altered states. And I'm not sure if anyone's familiar with NLP but they're able to anchor in certain emotional states. If you wanna go up and speak you can anchor in a certain energy that you can tap into when you need it. So this is similar to that in the aspect of we're anchoring in brain waves state frequencies. So when we do a certain thing we connect and visualize and this thing happens it automatically anchors in that brain wave state. So it's a way to tap into consciousness through a similar technique and technology to where when I do this, boom, I shift my, like I go through this little process and now I'm in theta, I'm in alpha, I'm in gamma and you can just by doing that you just bring yourself there and you're able to hold it for as long as you need. And that's the doorway. Once you learn how to shift your brain waves then all the rest of it is just easy. And so that's the biggest battle is learning the brain waves.  Ah, that's a great idea. Very cool. So projectstarbornboren.com if you'd like that free gift it sounds amazing to me. I wanna ask you, you were featured on the show UFO Witness on Discovery Plus how did they scientifically monitor you and collect data? Okay, so on that show, I told them so on the show specifically it's about black triangles and they're talking about the Arcturians and I was connected through a friend of mine which is one of the hosts on the show and she had seen some of my work and she's like, you gotta come on the show. And when I was there I thought I was going to bring someone up into the light ship to meet them and Ben Hansen was like, no one's going on the light ship. He's like, we want you to go on the light ship and we wanna ask you questions and then you just tell us what they're communicating to you. And I was like, okay, like, and I had never done that before I typically bring people and he's like, can you do that? I'm just like, yeah, I can do that. He's like, have you ever done that? I'm like, no, but I will, you know, I can. He's like, okay. He's like, while you're doing that do you mind if I have you hooked up to biofeedback equipment? He's like, I want to monitor your heart rate and I also want to monitor your brainwaves. We wanna use EEG brainwave monitoring technology because I'll know, he's like, basically, he's like, you're saying you're going up into a spaceship. How do I know you're not making this up? He's like, because it sounds far fetched and there's lots of people telling stories out there. He's like, so I want to monitor your brainwaves because if you're going into a spaceship something should change. It shouldn't just be the same. I'm like, okay. He's like, so you're going to go on national TV and let me monitor your brainwaves while you're talking to ETs in your head pretty much. I'm like, yeah, that's fine. He's like, okay, look. And so Ben Hansen, he's an ex FBI Homeland Security.   And so he was like, he was like, look, I'm going to take a baseline first. He's like, we're going to hook you up to everything. And then I'm going to ask you questions to where you have to think of the answers. That way we're going to see what your brainwaves do while you're thinking, right?  Are you thinking of the answer? Cause you know a lot about ETs and spaceships or, you know, something's happening here. Like, all right, let's go. And so we did it. And I sort of just narrated as I'm going through the process. So, you know, I opened the portal I go up through the portal and when I went through the portal my heart rate dropped to like 40 and then up to like 110. So like that was the first thing was my heart rate completely shifted. And then when I'm in the ship, like I said earlier that it's like looking glass technology. There's a big holographic screen and the beings are there and I ask questions and they just show me up on the screen like images or movie clips. You know, I joke because when we use the screens and like, and they're showing you stuff it's like, this is the real YouTube, right? And so I like to joke about that. But so he was asking questions and I'm just telling them what I'm seeing. So there is no thinking, right? So he's asking questions and I'm just telling him what I'm seeing up on the screen. And when I was done, you know, after I finished he was looking at the data and he was like, well, I can't explain any of that because, you know, when I was asking you the questions and you're thinking your brainwaves were in 80 and 90 Hertz, right?  But then when I was in the light ship connected with the beings where he's asking me the questions where I'm looking at the screens my brainwaves were in like 30 Hertz the whole time. And he's like, so your brainwaves were two thirds less active the whole time that this was happening.  And so, you know, he was, he was pleasantly surprised. And so was Melissa and everybody else because, you know, it shows that there's something happening and this is what I'm talking about when you're shifting your brainwaves you have to be able to hold that brainwave state in order to engage in these things. And so, you know, that's all this has to happen at those levels of consciousness. And so learning, if you're interested in this type of stuff you got to learn how to get your brainwaves there because everyone can do this. We're all like, all humans have these abilities. Everyone thinks like, oh, they're a psychic they're a healer, they're this, they're that. Like, no, we're all of that, right? And so just learning how to tap into these energetic fields and activating your DNA is how we bring these abilities out. We actually have all of these abilities and more. And if I could do it, I was just a construction worker if I could do it, so can anybody else. You know, I give myself credit, but I know that there are people that I've trained that can now do this as well. And I have a few people that are taking people into light ships and they're facilitating the same work. And so, you know, anyone that's interested in it and is called to do this and is here for humanity and here to help the ascension process, you know, can do this as well. Wow, that's throwing down the gauntlet. And we need that. We need that right now. We need the way showers. And I love that you have this scientific data. Is the Melissa you were referring to, our friend, our now mutual friend, the producer was, oh, wow, very cool. Yeah, she was, she was the, she's one of the investigative journalists on that show. Hmm, I love it, all these connections. So did anything happen after UFO witness on Discovery Plus aired or has it aired? And meaning, did anyone reach out to you? Did anyone, did anything happen by virtue of people seeing this?  But it's interesting that, you know, even recently when I connect with people, it's all through, it's, it's synchronicity. Like I'll just be in a random place and someone start talking. And then, you know, recently one of my coaching clients, I was, I was going to an event and I went to the wrong place because I don't operate in the regular time, the time fields are messed up. I went, I saw the flyer for the event and the flyer that I had was for where it was next week. And I show up to this place and I'm like, oh, I'm here for the event. And the lady's like, oh, the drum circle's next door. I'm like, okay, so I'm in there. I'm like playing drums with people for 45 minutes and realize that I'm at the wrong event. And then at the end, I'm like, where's the guy? And she's like, what? What are you talking about? I was like, oh, so I'm just here. And then she's like, well, tell me, like, who are you? And I start telling her, you know, what I'm doing, all sorts of stuff. And she's just like, oh my God, like I just saw you on that show two days ago. And so then she was like, she's a healer and a facilitator. And so after seeing that, we connected and now I'm training her and she's while on her way. And so it happens through synchronicity where people, they see it, they've experienced it. It's another synchronicistic thing that links me to people. So it's pretty cool. Oh my God, that was such a good story. I just love the idea of you playing drums for 45 minutes before you're like, where's the guy I came to see? I came to see him. I thought I was in the completely wrong place, but it turns out that unknowingly, I was in the right place at the right time because I was there to meet her, to connect with her for my purpose. And then I made it to the other event and we all laughed about it and it turns out they're like, oh, we know her and she's part of the community anyway. So it was a cool thing. And that's why I just trust in the universe because, you know, even though I think I'm wrong, it's sometimes you're, like you said, right place or wrong time. Yeah, yeah. Right guy doing the right thing at the right time, wrong place, but it turns out to be the right place. And you got to the other place anyway. Wow. So my dear, you're gonna be a Conscious Life Expo. So excited about that. February 2024, you're inaugural. Everything, speaking, booth, panel, like your big kahuna here. What are you gonna be speaking about at Conscious Life Expo? So I'm gonna be on the panel with you about the ET origins and then I'm also going to be teaching a workshop on DNA activation. So the second session that we had together where I walked you through the process of activating the DNA strands where all of everything starts plugging in and turning on and, you know, you get access to all of those. Like, so even though the going on the ET light ship, like that's a very multi-dimensional experience and you're engaging with these beings, all this other stuff, the DNA activation in my opinion is one of the most multi-dimensional experiences you can have because you're having, there's sometimes kinesthetic response. Sometimes there's like visions, there's like all these things happening or sometimes you'll see like whole past lives. The first time that this happened for me, I saw a whole past life where I was like swimming under, just the craziest stuff. I was like swimming underwater and I was in Atlantis as like a fish guy and then I learned telekinesis because I'm like, oh, they used to swim faster and then I come out of that and now I can move stuff with my mind.  And so I'm gonna be teaching a workshop on that because I do it one-on-one but it can be done for groups of people. So I'm gonna be doing the DNA activation workshop. They're in for such a good time. I just wanna express a little gratitude to you Jerome because after, during our first session, I was at the inception of getting together my speech for Mexico City. I'm, it's amazing now on the side with you. I'm leaving in 13 days. So it's here, it's happening. But months ago when you and I first connected, I had a speech, I was, I kind of didn't have a speech. It sucked. I mean, I'm just gonna be honest and transparent. It was ghastly. And for somebody like me who's always on top of things, I was in a very weird space about it only because it is such a new subject for me to come out and own without imposter syndrome. And it was rough like mentally, emotionally because I actually wanted to cancel. I was like, I can't get up and do this. But at the same time I was excited and I was clear, the universe is giving me a beautiful, beautiful opportunity and they're at the same time, they're pointing me to the greater version of myself. Like I'm meant to do this. I totally understand it, but still I was in a very uncomfortable position about what I was about to do. And you and I had that first session where I got to me the various aspects of me, which I didn't realize that's what they were then. But I was just, I was pretty crazy about everybody I got to. It feels weird because I think one was an octopus or something but completely sentient. And each of these beings, they believed in me so much. And I didn't even go into this experience with you wanting that or thinking about that. But I remember Merlin and it may have been a liren, you don't have to re-listen to our session together. It was so powerful what they said to me and whatever happened, it was part of it was what they said part of it was a transmission also. And when I came back and I finished the session with you and you're in a super blissed out state but something happened and I started to click the wheels came together, right? They were separate before and they came together and this was happening just like a beautiful bicycle. And all of a sudden I understood, oh, I know what I need to do. And everything came online for me and I started to execute slow process. It was a very slow process but I executed all of the downloads I got exactly what I needed to do to make this work. And I just wanna say like, that was a really momentous experience for me that I needed and culminating in last Saturday I had people I invited friends over to do my presentation before I got to Mexico City and then we had a party. And these are anywhere from, somebody brought somebody very beginner like not even into this stuff. So it was a little bit, I don't know how they'll receive it but I'm gonna be me and all the way to people like this is the conversation but at different ages and colors and sizes, all these people it went so beautifully well. And when I was done because I love community and I love knowing people and letting other people know people I have a talking stick. So I passed it around so everybody could say, this is my name and I just wanted them to mention this was the takeaway I got and this is what I commit to doing because it's a very at the end action oriented experience. And everybody did that but they included how they felt so honored to be at my presentation, my inaugural homey presentation and what it meant to them to hear it. And I am sharing this with you so you understand Jerome Martin like from that moment where I was pretty much of a mess. I was a yes but I was a mess and I didn't know how to get myself out of that pocket. And then we had our session and I came back into my life and it was just this clarity and ease and then the rest of it was just for me to execute it. And it culminated in success. I'm not even there yet in Mexico City but I feel very, very comfortable about all of it. And I just want to thank the beings who met me. Thank you for your extreme generosity and your facilitation in this experience and hearing the stories you tell. I'm just so moved like people can heal people who don't even, they're not even online with you, they're in a hospital, can heal someone like me. This is an important project I want to do in other places. So it's not a one and done. And my deep thank yous, appreciation, gratitude to you for helping me. I appreciate those kind words because this is what I do it for. I do it because I love being able to help people and there are people like myself and you and we are powerhouses out here. Like we're here to serve our purpose and like you need to be on your game as best as possible. So getting the tools that help you achieve that is like the highest the high for me. And I want to take a moment now to say thank you to you as well because your media visibility course that you mentioned that you, that is one of your courses. That course has been so amazing and literally has helped me be able to even talk about this better and better. It's been really hard for me for the past several years to even talk about what it is that I do because I didn't know my message because I do this, I do this, I do this, I do this because the work is so vast but being able to figure out who I am and how to talk about it in a way that sums it all up. That has been super powerful for me because I haven't been able to translate that. And so you do such a good job at teaching people how that process works and how to connect with the places where they need to be. And I just want to say thank you for that so much because without that I wouldn't be able to even communicate the stuff the way that I do. And so I appreciate you so much too. Yeah, mutual fan club.  So right, this is just gonna ripple out. You'll be other places and spaces. And folks I want you to let, I want to let you know that when you wanna get tickets for Conscious Life Expo so you can hear Jerome speak the ticket link will be in the show notes. Definitely check it out. So you can attend, you'll be so happy. And Jerome, this is the end. This is dare to dream. What do you next dare to dream? What are your future dreams and goals? So currently I do one-on-one training and I do sessions and all this different stuff but I'm gonna be working on a video course because I'm learning that my bandwidth or my bottleneck is actually my time, right? You can only work with so many people in a day. And so I'm gonna be translating this into video courses and also books that way people can meet me at different levels wherever they see fit. And so I wanna be able to translate this into something that is a digital version. That way it can be blasted out to, as many people as wanna see it versus people that can only fit into a ever-growing schedule. Awesome, awesome. I hope you're gonna make an app. That's what I just heard. It can app that guides you. I likely will then. Thank you so much folks. You can find him at projectstarborn.com. You can get his free class projectstarborn.com. Thank you so much for coming on the show today. Thank you so much Debbie for having me. Yeah, and we're gonna end today's show with this quote from Steve Jobs. Your work is going to fill a large part of your life and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking. Don't settle as with all matters of the heart, you'll know when you find it. Subscribe to this number one transformation conversation the weekly Dare to Dream with Debbie Dashinger. I urge you to please like this, subscribe, leave a comment. It actually helps me in the show, helps me do the work I do. It helps the algorithms with YouTube. 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Hi, from New York, it's theCUBE covering Big Data NYC 2015. Brought to you by Hortonworks, IBM, EMC, and Pivotal. Well, this is our event within the event, Big Data NYC. Craig Steele is here as the general manager of Global Strategic Alliances at Pivotal, and he's joined by Chris Harald, who's the global field CTO for Big Data solutions inside of EMC. Gentlemen, welcome to theCUBE. Thank you. Craig, I want to start with you. A lot of talk about the Federation, last several months, you know, last couple of years really. I mean, Joe Tucci has stood up and he said, we asked him one day at an analyst meeting, you know, any regrets? And he goes, you know, I wish I had done a better job of bringing the Federation together sooner.  Talk about the Federation play as it relates to Pivotal and EMC relationship. Certainly, so I think we all wish we would have started a little bit sooner. EMC is a very large organization, VMware as well. And, you know, as Pivotal was spun out and we started working on enabling each other, if you will, to build joint solutions to take to our customers, you have to take into consideration the multiple solutions and technologies that are available from all these different organizations and come up with winning solutions that customers will actually be willing to invest in. And I think recently we've seen a lot of momentum, specifically to the Federation Business Data Lake. We've got some wins under our belt with some, I would say, significantly large customers. And we're in the various phases of deploying those options for customers now. And we've got a pretty significant pipeline lined up together as well. So I think for all intents and purposes, things are going very, very well and we expect that to continue. So Chris, I wonder from, you know, one of the things that we talk about all the time is the difficulty of using Hadoop. And you're in the solutions group. So part of your job is to make it easier. Talk about the mission of your part of the organization. Sure, so we started with a very simple premise about, well really, I started about four or five years ago working in the Hadoop space, trying to help enable customers using the EMC sort of core offering storage and compute and things like that from a VMware and block and file storage perspective. What I realized, just like you said, is that everybody has a challenge with that. It's tough, it's hard to get environments up. Once they're up and running, people basically just, I don't want to touch it. And that makes it very hard to innovate. It makes it very hard to iterate and make changes rapidly. And about a year and a half ago when I came into the solutions organization, I came in specifically with the goal of designing a platform that allowed our customers to get out of the plumbing business, right? And the adage I always use is that if I buy a house, I don't want to actually have to do all the plumbing work. I just want to walk in and take a shower. And when we built this platform, that was the whole goal is we want customers to have a push button, get cluster experience, Hadoop as a key technology, but across the board, right? And so Pivotal brings to the table a number of analytics technologies outside of traditional MapReduce that are also complex, are can also be difficult to deploy and integrate. And instead of spending a lot of time on the plumbing, on the making bits work together and actually run, we've said our stated design goal for our solution is let's simplify that and let's get to the really hard work which is the actual data science, which is the actual analytics, right? We want to bring those things to the table as fast as possible. So one of the solution areas that we look at a lot is governance, you know? It's kind of in the boring but important category, but it's becoming more and more important and less boring for a lot of organizations. It's interesting because Pivotal, you think of Pivotal Labs as like this, maybe oftentimes shadow IT, you know, organization because somebody in marketing or sales says, hey, let's call Pivotal Labs, these guys we know how to get stuff done, you know? Our IT guys, we don't want to work with. And so they'll perpetuate some big data analytics project, right? And they'll pop up all over the place but then there's the governance gap. How are you guys? First of all, is that a fair representation? And how are you guys addressing that? Yeah, I think it's a fair representation. I'll start and then you probably pick up the details there. What we're seeing more and more is there is a definite link from an application to actually big data analytics and understanding whatever databases you're attaching to that. And then making sure that those interface with the application in a way that can scale and it's, in some cases, it needs to be very, very fast when you start to think about machine learning and other capabilities that we bring to bear. I think if you look at it holistically like that, it is challenging, but I think we worked on together and Chris can expand on this, a way to make sure that the technology pieces are, you're aware of what data is going to be part of that ecosystem. And then I think the gravity of that data as well goes into the decision making process with what you bring in. And I think as that starts to expand and it moves into different business units that want to take advantage of this technology, that's where the governance model starts to really show its importance. And then Chris, you can probably tell us what we're working on. No, and that's absolutely, that's exactly our model in governance. And I think you see a lot of activity right now, specifically, certainly Pivotal and through the ODP initiative.  I know Cloud Air and Matt Barr are working specifically around governance. And for us, as much as we 100% wholeheartedly support that effort, it's very HDFS focused, it's very focused on Hadoop as a microcosm of a much bigger ecosystem, right? And when we think about data governance from a federation level, from a solution level perspective, our goal is not just to protect HDFS, it's to protect anything you're running inside that framework, right? And so the key point for us is we want to get to policy driven data governance that allows you to govern that data regardless of what you happen to store it in, what tools you happen to consume it with, and most importantly who you happen to be, right? Because you could be a data scientist, a BI person, whatever it is. And we realize that, I mean, Wikibon just put it out this morning, right? You guys just put out the report that the number one and two or co-number one is Google and Azure. And what is Azure analytics based on SQL? That is what predominantly most of our customers are using. If we're protecting Hadoop, but we're not doing anything above that layer where we're addressing the governance and policy and access control into SQL, all of the advanced tools like machine learning and stuff that we want to bring to bear from the pivotal side of the federation relationship, we're in the wind, right? Now we're trying to stitch together this little bit of open source over here and this little bit of a consumer product over here and whatever it might be to make that patchwork work. And that's just not a good approach when you're thinking about a larger, broader solution set. And customers are coming back to us and saying, we can do that. We'll go stitch together the open source stuff. What we really want from you is a bigger view into enabling all this new machine learning and all of this stuff with our existing people, with their existing skill set, without having to teach them Java. So especially your large customers have the capabilities to do that. They want to help in those areas that they just aren't really focused on, is that? Yeah, no, I was just going to add that that's SQL, there's a very large ecosystem of folks that know how to develop code with that framework. And so the parts of the product portfolio from Pivotal that are also with the Federation Business Data Lake, we see that as a trend that's continuing. That's why Azure and Google are having success in that. Because the intellectual property is there and folks that have dealt with business intelligence tools in the past, they don't want to learn a new language. You just don't have the skill to ramp up as quickly as they should. Yeah, and I think from the Federation side, from the EMC side, Craig and I were talking about this before, I bang the DevOps drum pretty hard within EMC and obviously Pivotal has a strong DevOps presence, more on the Dev than the Ops side right now, but the whole concept of DevOps is, it is where the rubber meets the road with this analytics workflow. And EMC is trying very hard in that, for lack of a better term, that legacy environment, the storage lawn administrator environment to talk about DevOps. And it just doesn't resonate with that type of audience until you bring in an actual reason for them to want to do it, right? And when you talk about the complexity and the scale and the diversity of analytics and analytics tools, you can't do that unless you are embracing a DevOps cultural mindset, period. You will find yourself right back in 1993 very, very quickly with 1,000 physical servers that all look the same.  I came from that operations world. I never ever want to see anybody go back to it, so I'm trying really hard to make sure we don't. And it's a different message for EMC, right? And I'm sure you guys know the Federation and bringing together Best of Breed, that's a new tack that we've taken and then we've embraced and I think is huge. Our customers love it, that resonates very strongly with everybody who hears the message and speaks about it. And when we tie all that together with that cultural mind shift, that actual DevOps mindset of I need to be able to make my physical environment work like my developers do with their software environment, it's absolutely unparalleled to the capability we have within the Federation to bring that to fruition with our customers. I mean, the stuff that we're doing in the COE and joint development of platforms and things like that, we're embedding Pivotal Cloud Foundry into our Federation Business Data Lake. So it's very much the, was it the Gillette, not only am I a customer, I bought the company, we're very much, we're embracing that technology. We want that within our platform because of the power that it gives us to meet that DevOps demand. And we've got to bridge that gap and we as Federation partners and Craig and I work very closely together, but I've been embracing that Pivotal message for a long time personally and within my solutions team and it just, it makes so much sense. So it's interesting what you're saying about the DevOps culture and its thousand servers all the same, presumably because that's the only way we can deal with all this complexity, so we're going to force this standard on you and good luck. But you talked earlier about some of the successes and I know a couple of sort of Federation customers. I guess I won't name their name, but one is I would say I would describe an insurance company and you talk about this DevOps culture which, you know, Gartner has this thing about bimodal IT and it's kind of interesting, but, but what you're describing, I wouldn't say is bimodal. It's unimodal in the new way, so the bimodal reeks of, and I'm a Gartner smart guy, so I don't want to be pejorative here if they were here so they could defend it better than what I read, but this idea of you have old and new is not what people want to do and the one customer I'm thinking of is this insurance company, they really understood that problem, they drove the DevOps culture, it was a Federation situation, you probably know who I'm talking about, and they basically took their legacy infrastructure and they said we have to make it speak new and they worked really hard to create that layer, maybe you call it an abstraction layer, but so that it could participate as a full first-class citizen within that new DevOps environment. Is that sort of the model, you guys know who I'm talking about, so okay, so is that the model that most of your customers are taking or is that the sort of top 1% that one? So I would say it's a majority and there are actually several examples of this being done successfully. The one I think you're talking about started as a lab's engagement based on the customer realizing that it was a big insurance company that Google is getting in the insurance business and when Google gets in anyone's business, people's phones start up ringing out of the hood. So they wanted to develop a better user experience, be closer with their customer and we came at it from an application perspective. As we start showing customers paired programming, extreme paired programming, our DevOps sort of culture and we immerse folks in that, we actually bring them to our facility to put them through that and then have them take that back to their headquarters and their devs. That's really where we introduced this idea of leveraging tools like Pivotal Cloud Foundry to build, push, scale and push apps out. Once that's sort of, and that's a process in many instances as you talk to a large enterprise company that needs to move very quickly, you kind of have to surround the different players within an organization to get them to make that big cultural shift, if you will. So our sales model, our go-to-market model is really based on surrounding folks like VP of IT. After you get the devs involved and they buy into this technology and process, then it's how do you get the enterprise architecture folks involved, how do you get the lines of business involved and get them to buy in? And once the devs are in, it seems like the rest of the ecosystem will come along in many cases but after you start wrapping that together, then the question becomes, and even immediately in the process of trying to disclose what this technology brings in terms of capability, the question is asked, do you want us to spin up a proof of concept on-prem and some infrastructure that you have currently or do we need to do it online in some way? And we'll make recommendations that are friendly to our brothers and sisters in the Federation. But that's when the connectivity between the infrastructure and the process for the operations needs to map to the devs at the top. Okay, well what about that? So obviously, I mean the guys we're talking about are big customers of all three parts of the Federation and that's clearly where you want to start. I mean that's sort of the obvious top of the pyramid but what about other customers who don't want to necessarily, they want to mix and match. That's a great point and actually, our solution philosophy and Craig stole it so it's fine but data science without the data scientists and the reason that we're approaching it that way is because an organization like Nameless Large Insurgents Company or Partners Healthcare who I will be speaking with on theCUBE later this week talking about the FBDL and the Federation solution. They have a lot of resources in-house. They've got talent, they've got data scientists. There's a lot of things that they genuinely just don't need our help with, right? They have technical challenges that they have a specific need and the Federation is there to support those things and help them build a bigger framework. But to your point, what about everybody else? What if I don't have 20 data scientists on staff? But I know data analytics are a big deal and I know Google is getting into my business and I'm a small insurance company somewhere. How do I start, build up this capability and this infrastructure and meet that rising demand because if businesses don't evolve they're going to go away, right? And we're really focused on that platform piece, that scale out capable platform, right? Because a lot of our customers don't want to go to the cloud. They have data sets that they don't feel comfortable leaving the building, right? It's much easier to adjust and manage on-prem than it is in the cloud and that shadow IT concept that you brought up earlier, that's a very pervasive thing and I know we see that in a lot of our customers and people are trying to stomp that out. So we give them that infrastructure piece that on-prem side, right? And then we bring in this cultural side from Pivotal which personally and professionally I'm hugely thankful that EMC made that investment because we were sorely lacking that, right? We needed that cultural infusion of dev into our ops to actually get to where we needed to be. We're great at storing data. We're great at compute. We'll do that flawlessly all day long and then we would get to a certain point in the conversation and people are saying, well, okay, now what do I do with this thing? Stuff, right? Now we have that credible end-to-end detailed discussion. We've got incredible momentum in the open-source community through Pivotal and that's feeding back into us, our own engineering side, even just in core EMC and solutions is contributing back into open-source projects. That's a huge departure for EMC. Why is it huge? I mean, five years ago EMC couldn't spell open-source. Pivotal brings instant credibility and timing couldn't be better, right? Yeah, I would say, John, to your point, it's a process, not an event. There are business units within EMC that develop applications in the old sort of waterfall methodology that we're sort of learning how to crack the code with and nudging them over. So it's happening in fits and spurts and in some organizations within the ecosystem the Federation are in wholesale from day one. So I think it's a good blend. The success will drive others to adopt this strategy as well. Where's the COE? So I'll tell you where the infrastructure is going to ship to Hopkinson because we've found space, power, space and cooling. The intellectual property and capital will be, human capital will be based in Denver. So close to Chris. And our goal there really is to two-fold. One is to make sure that we have the right engineering resources together, whether they VPN into infrastructure somewhere else on the planet is of no concern. It's really about having these folks in the room, discussing new ideas, new differentiated technology and capability for our customers and being able to do it in an environment that promotes this sort of DevOps culture. And actually we're building it at Galvanize in Denver, which is a new sort of epicenter of new young talent that is really coming up to the DevOps sort of culture. It's a fantastic collective thing. It's really cool. It really is, yeah. And then the long-term goal is after we're well-established and build up some momentum is to start to bring customers in and let them experience kind of firsthand what we're doing from a Federation perspective in terms of developing these new technologies and they will get a taste of that cultural atmosphere when they attend. Well, it's an awesome story.  But with the slow collapse in infrastructure software pricing, the key is solutions. That's where you're going to add value to customers. That's what they'll pay for. There's certainly money to be made in this business. Gentlemen, thanks very much for coming on theCUBE, sharing your story. It was really great to have you. Thank you, sir. Thanks for having us. Keep it right there, everybody will be back with our next guest. This is theCUBE, we're live from Big Data NYC at Strata and Hadoop World. We'll be right back.