So we see the vision air cipher. It's simple. We're just using the Caesar cipher, the generalized Caesar cipher. But we're just changing the key, each letter. And note the key word in this example is serenton. And because normally the plain text is longer than the key word, you repeat the key word as often as necessary. So if in our example on the board, the key word was S-I-I-T, you just repeat it, S-I-T. And you don't have to finish at T. You just repeat the letters as often as necessary, such that the key word is as long as the plain text. Why do we choose a short key word? Why would I choose a key word like serenton or S-I-T? Well key words, remember, they are a secret. And both parties need to know that secret. So when I encrypt something, and I want someone else to be able to decrypt something, they need to know the corresponding secret. So in these classical ciphers, at least, when we're using key words, then we use something that's easy to, for example, remember and to keep secret and easy to exchange with someone else. So normally they are words. Having a random key word is like having a random password. Who remembers random passwords? Not many people. You, same with passwords, you normally have words which are easy to remember, not too long, but we'll find that that's not very secure. So in the vision air cipher, the idea and how it was used is that you have a plain text and the plain text we use in the examples are short, several words. In real life, in a message you want to send someone, it will be many words, maybe a large document. So normally a plain text is quite long, but for convenience we keep the key word short, so that we can remember, so we can exchange it with someone else. So in this case, we must repeat the key word as often as necessary such that we have enough letters in the key to be the same length as a plain text. And the benefit is that, compared to the mono-alphabetic cipher, the benefit is that the output cipher text, the output cipher text letters change for the same input plain text letter. And we see that in some cases here. Our plain text is quite short. Imagine you have a plain text which is a thousand words long, so much longer. Then, and you look at all the ease, you'd expect to see about 12% ease in the plain text, because we know from English language that approximately, not always, but approximately the most frequent letter is E and about 12% of the letters in the plain text would be an E. It depends upon the source material, but it's around about that for at least for large input plain text. So in the input plain text, we expect about 12% ease, but for the output cipher text, the corresponding letter changes. E here maps to M, to L, to R, to V, and if we keep looking at the ease, we're likely to get different output cipher text letters. So there's not this direct relationship between the output cipher text letters and the frequency of letters in the plain text. And that's what makes it more secure against the mono-alphabetic cipher. With a mono-alphabetic cipher, we can quite easily break it by looking at the frequencies of letters in the cipher text. Not so easy in this case. But there is a problem, and it leads to a way to break this cipher. The problem comes from the keyword. If we have a large plain text, a large document that we want to encrypt, and our keyword is Sirenthorn, we have to repeat it many times. And because we're repeating the keyword, there still may be cases where we get a letter on the input plain text which is encrypted with the same letter in the keyword. So if we repeat the keyword, it's possible, and it's likely the longer the plain text gets, it's likely that we'll have an E that is encrypted with R and we'll get V. And then sometime later, it's likely to get E encrypted with R, we get V again. So we still may get some patterns in the cipher text, but not as obvious as when we use a mono-alphabetic cipher. So the limitation of this cipher is that we use a short fixed length keyword, and that keyword has some structure. It's a word that we recognise. The way to overcome this limitation, and in fact there are ways, I think on the next slide, there are ways to break it. It's much harder than mono-alphabetic, but it turns out that if you can look at some structure in the output cipher text, you can eventually learn the length of the keyword. Once you know the length of the keyword, you see that it repeats, and then you can start to analyse in a similar way the frequency analysis of letters, and it's possible to break the vision air cipher. It becomes the same effort as breaking a multiple mono-alphabetic cipher. Harder than mono-alphabetic, but possible. The weakness is the keyword. Two things. It repeats, and it's structured, and it's a word that we recognise. It's not random. So the solution, choose a keyword which is random, and that it's long. And as long as the plain text. So that's how you make the vision air cipher strong, and unconditionally secure, is to choose a long keyword that's random. Okay, if you've got questions, that's okay. We have time. So we repeat the keyword in vision air, but to make it secure, do not repeat the keyword. And that's what the one time pad does. There are different variants of it, but looking at our alphabet, we use a random key, which is as long as the plain text. If your plain text is a thousand characters, your key is one thousand characters, random characters. Not a word, not words combined together, but random characters. If you do that, you get an unconditionally secure cipher, an unconditionally secure algorithm. No way to break it if you do that correctly. And that's the best cipher that we can get. Let's give some examples, or see an example of why. First, there's a, I know there's an error in this, this one. Let's see if I can find what the error is. This is the one time pad. It's the same as the vision air cipher. The difference to make it a little bit easier, we introduce the 27th character, a space. Before we've dealt just with the 26 characters, the 26 letters. To make it a bit easier, let's include a space, which is just a 27th character. And what this example shows is a cipher text, that an attacker has intercepted, and then the attacker has done a brute force attack. They've tried all possible keys. Many of them produce random plain texts. But here are two examples. They've tried this key, key one, and this other key, key two, and they get two different plain text messages. Which is the correct plain text? Now there's an error in here. It was picked up last year by the students. Just make note of it, and then we'll explain what happens. The error on the slide is these first three letters in the key. MFU should be, let me check, MFU should be PFT. You can change that. So change this key to MFU. The first three characters should be PFT. That's an error. And in fact, it's an error in the textbook. So I copied from the textbook, and the textbook was wrong. And the students picked that up last year. So what's happened here is the attacker has intercepted some cipher text, and had tried a brute force attack. There are many possible keys. We've got many possible keys. We try them all. Let's say we have a very fast computer. We try them all. We look at all the possible plain texts. Many are random. That is, they make no sense in English. We know the message is in English. Many of them are random, but we start to see some plain texts. The first one we come across is this one in English. Mr. Mustard at the candlestick in the hall. Okay, that makes sense. All right. I don't know if it makes sense, but it's English. Makes sense if you know some stories. Pluto. But then we keep trying on the keys, and we find another plain text which also makes sense. Now the attacker has this question. Which plain text is the true plain text? The person who encrypted the plain text chose some plain text and chose a key and obtained this cipher text. But the attacker doesn't know which plain text is the right one. In fact, if you try all the keys, you'll find more plain text that actually makes sense. So the security of this lies in that even though we can try a brute force attack, there's no way to know which is the true plain text of this message, and which is the true key of these two, for example, you don't know which one's the right one. If you've got two plain texts which both make sense, you can only guess which one is correct. And in this case, if you guess, you could be completely wrong and it's of no benefit to you, especially when there are more plain text values. So that's where the security comes in or the unconditional security. Even with the brute force attack, no way to know what is the correct plain text. How do we come up with these values? The same as the vision air, except we introduce a space just to make it easier to read. You don't need that space. So we talk of plain text, chose a random key. Note that the key is as long as the plain text and random. There's no structure in this key. It's not a combination of words. So it has to be as long as the plain text and random. The space is just another character. Remember when we map letters to numbers, it becomes 26. If we go 0, 0 through to 25 is A through to Z and then space is just the number 26. We can add as many characters. You can add punctuation marks if you like. It just increases the alphabet. What does it mean by random key? Look at the key one and key two. Do they make sense to you? The keys? These keys are random characters. For the one-time pad, they must be random. That's by definition of the one-time pad. The key is random. So there's no relationship between those letters in there. It's not a word or a phrase. It's a random set of characters. Effectively, if you have the vision air cipher and use a long random key, you get the one-time pad and you get unconditional security, which is the best security you can have. We don't need to study anything else in the course, because we've got the best cipher. But the problem is the key is inconvenient. Again, yes, the key length. So there's two conditions on the key. The key length is the same length as the plain text and the key is random. So yes. So I've got a message to send. Let's say I've got a message which is missed scarlet with a knife in the library. What I do is I choose a key which is just random letters, the same number of letters as my plain text message. I encrypt using the same approach as we did with the vision air. We take the letter m, map it to a number, key. In fact, it shouldn't be m, f, u. It should be p, f, t. Key p, map it to a number and use cipher, the p plus k mod 27 in our case with a space. And I'd get, as an output, the letter a, the cipher text. So it's the same way to encrypt. It's just that the key is random and as long as the plain text. And that's the problem with one-time pad. It's secure but very impractical. I've got a one megabyte word document I want to encrypt or text document I want to encrypt. And I want to send it to someone. Then what I need to do is I need to choose a random sequence of one megabyte in length because it needs to be the same length as the text, the plain text. So my key is one megabyte and it's random. I cannot remember it. I cannot think about it in my head. I have to store it somewhere and I have to send it to that other person somehow, either write it on a piece of paper or maybe on a USB disk. So effectively to transfer that one megabyte message securely, I also need to transfer another one megabyte for the key. So it's very wasteful in terms of network communications. You double the amount of traffic you want to send. Think, I need to have a, I send securely, I upload data one gigabyte per day. Then because the key must be random, we cannot repeat it. I cannot use the same key tomorrow because that's not random. So what I need to do is today I generate a one gigabyte key. I encrypt my data with a one-time pad and it's secure. Tomorrow I need to generate another one gigabyte key. Somehow get that one gigabyte key to the recipient so they can decrypt. And that becomes very inconvenient, especially for network-based communications. You need to transfer a lot of information to get the key to the other person and you need to generate large random numbers. And in fact, we're generating many large random numbers can be difficult for a computer. So it's very inconvenient. I thought I had a summary slide. Maybe this, okay here, two practical limitations. It's hard to provide a large number of random keys and it's hard to distribute large keys. And that's why the one-time pad is only used in very specific, very special cases. It's seldom used in general data encryption. We have covered substitution schemes. In all of the cases, we take one letter and replace it with another. With our play fair, we talk a pair of letters and replace with another pair. And the same we do here. We take a letter and replace with another letter. We substitute one character with a different character. Another operation we use in security is transposition. We rearrange our characters. Let's go through two quite simple examples of rearranging and then we'll summarize on this topic. Two examples of classical ciphers for rearranging, transposition. First the rail fence. What we do is we take our plain text and we have our key and the key is called the depth here. We write our plain text at some depth where the depth is the key, the secret for example. We write in diagonals over n rows or in our example over three rows. So we have three rows and the ciphertext is obtained by reading row by row. Not very secure but we'll see this such rearrangements later become useful. Let's encrypt our plain text on the board. So we have our plain text. We write that plain text in three rows with a depth of three. We're just going to write it out. I, N, T, internet, technologies and applications. So I'm just writing the plain text in diagonals across three rows. Can I get there? I hope I didn't spell it wrong. So in this case the key is the depth, the number of rows you write across and to obtain the ciphertext just read now row by row. This is the first piece of the ciphertext then the second row then the third one. I, E, E, N, O, E, N, N. P, I, T, N, N, R, T, C, O, G, S, D, P, C, I, S and you'll get to the end. Just read it row by row. So we haven't replaced letters with other letters. We've just rearranged the letters. So that's what we call the rail fence cipher. If we change the depth then to a depth of four we'd write I, N, T, E, R, N, E, T, T and so on. So we'd write it in four rows. To decrypt you take the ciphertext and you can then write, we know the number of letters in total and then we divide it by three in this case because the depth is three. So how many letters do we have? Four, eight, twelve, we have thirty-five letters here. So with a depth of three we need twelve letters on the first row so we write the first twelve letters on a row then the next twelve letters on the next row and the last eleven letters on the final row. So to decrypt simply write this set on the first row then on the second row and then on the third row and then simply read across the diagonals and you'll get the plaintext back. Very easy to decrypt, very easy to break because frequency analysis can be applied. The letters in the ciphertext are the same letters in the plaintext and therefore the same frequency of letters occurs. There are in our plaintext there are one, two, three, four, E's and in the ciphertext there are four E's and similar with all the other letters. So in a large plaintext we will see the same frequency of letters in the ciphertext as the plaintext and using that information we can then work out what the depth may be. The depth is the key, it's secret. Once we find the depth it's easy. You can write it as you wish, yes, but in diagonals just so you know that you're reading it in that order. Yeah, you can write it down if you like but you're reading left to right, that's the idea. So just a rearrangement of letters. Next one. Another rearrangement called rows, columns, transposition. We take our plaintext and the plaintext is written in rows and we have a key, in this case the key is a number of integers, so in this case our key is six integers, so one, two, three, four, five, six and the key determines the order of which the columns are read. So let's see how that works. So we have in this case a six digit key, that means we're going to have six columns for our plaintext to be written down in. So let's write it, security written across really in a matrix with six columns because our key has six digits in it and we keep going, security and cryptography and we need to fill out the last row to be the same number of columns so let's just add an x at the end, some special character to fill it out. So we simply write the plaintext in rows where the number of columns is determined by the number of digits in the key and then to get the ciphertext we read column by column following the ordering of the key. So let's write the key at the top three, one, five, six, two, four. So this is the first column we read. So the ciphertext E-Y-Y-A and then we read the next column which is specified by the key R-D-O-Y column two. So we don't read column by column this way, we rearrange those columns according to the key column, the second column to read R-D-O-Y and then S-T-R-R column two this continues along, I've just run out of space, I-C-G-X-C-A-P-P-U-N-T-H. There's just one long ciphertext, the wrapping is not important there. So now we have our ciphertext from our rows column transposition. Write your plaintext in row by row, the number of columns you have is determined by the key and then read the columns also determined by the key, the orderings determined by the key. Again the same set of characters in the plaintext as in the ciphertext, exact same letters just rearranged. So again frequency analysis is easy or relatively easy, you try and you'll see in past exams I've given questions here's the ciphertext, there's no key, find the plaintext and with some knowledge of what words you expect to see in the plaintext it's not too hard to try some different ordering of columns. So you take this, you need the first guess how long the key is, if you know the length of the key it's even easier and then you need to write it and you can try different ordering of those columns and see if you get words that make sense. You'll see that in an exam, maybe in a quiz. So both of these techniques are rearrangements of characters, no substitutions and hence quite easy to break with frequency analysis of the letters. Any questions on either of them? What's the meaning of this rectangle? Nothing in the encryption, the meaning of this I just mean if you want to decrypt, if you know the depth is three, to decrypt this ciphertext you break it into three chunks because the depth is three and then you write the first chunk on the first row. That's what this rectangle is used for, just for decryption. Any other questions on either of those two ciphers? Why do we need X? Because we need to fill out here because we see this X becomes in the middle of the ciphertext. So we need each row to be full so that when we decrypt we can rearrange those columns correctly and get the original plaintext back. So we just fill it out in this case with X. If I was missing two letters at the end I'd put two X's at the end as an example. It could be another letter but in both this case I used this letter X and in play fair I inserted an X between the L's. It can be any letter but it needs to be known by the person encrypting and decrypting. So it's normally specified as part of the algorithm. A part of this algorithm says as described here and should say if you have spaces at the end fill out with the letter X or if you're using a different algorithm fill out with the letter G. It's up to the users. As long as the encryptor and decryptor know which letter it is it's okay. Some other questions? It depends on the question. You could probably decrypt this without a key. You would just have to try some different depths. So you'd need some common sense of trying but you know it's not a depth of one. So in an exam I have given a question like here it is I think what I told you is in an exam here's the cipher text. Maybe there were 24 characters and I said in the question there were no or there were an even number of letters in each row. There was no padding needed. So with 24 characters you know the depth must be either 2, 3, 4 or 6. A depth of 5 would not work with 24 characters. We don't have a multiple of 5. So I give some extra information sometimes. In a question like this I've given here's the cipher text and I say the key is 6 digits. I don't say what the key is. I say it is 6 digits. And then what do you do to break that? Yeah you count the letters. Let's try. Last 10 minutes maybe. What have we got on the slides? Yeah let's try. No I don't think we'll have time to try. Let's try and finish this. We'll try next week to break one of these ciphers. It needs a bit of explanation. Let's finish on this topic. So both ciphers just rearrange letters. Not very secure. But try this one. This is row's column and an example of here's our plain text and a key. And we obtain some cipher text. And then we take that cipher text and encrypt again using the same key. And so we do it twice. For example on this one we use the key to encrypt our plain text and we got this as cipher text. What we would do is encrypt this with the same key and we get some different cipher text. That's what we do in this case. And what these numbers present is the positions of the letters. The letter A is in the first position in the plain text. Letter T is in the second position. Letter Z at the end is the twenty-eighth position. That's the ordering of the plain text letters. We just number them. One through to twenty-eight. After we encrypt one time we rearrange those letters. And the rearrangement is that the first letter letter A moves to... How do we read this? Where's our letter A? The first letter moves to this position. The third letter, this T, the third letter in our plain text, moves to the first position in the cipher text. The third letter moves into the first position. This is just describing what happens. It's not describing the algorithm. It's the result of the algorithm that we rearrange the letters and the rearrangement if we look at the ordering of the letters looks like this. Third letter becomes the first, the tenth letter becomes the second and so on. Just look at these numbers. Do you see a pattern? Who sees a pattern in these numbers? Do you see some sequence? Plus seven. Three plus seven is ten, plus seven is seven, plus seven is twenty-four. Four plus seven is eleven, plus seven, plus seven. Okay? There's some pattern here. Two plus seven. The key length is seven digits. We have seven columns here. And so there's some relationship to this ordering here. The point is that we can see some structure or some pattern in here. And in cipher text, if you can see some structure or some pattern, there's a potential for an attacker to use that information to discover the key in plain text, to break it. We take this cipher text and apply the same cipher using the same key and we get this cipher text. Effectively, we reorder more. And third character now ends up somewhere here. The first character which moved to here now ends up here and so on. Look for the pattern in this sequence of numbers. Look for the pattern in the sequence of numbers at the bottom on your slides or on the screen. It's reasonably obvious people picked it up in about a minute for the second set. Now try for the one at the bottom. Minus eight, minus four. Anyone? At least between the numbers, it's not so obvious. All right, minus eight, minus four, plus twenty-two, minus three. So it's not so obvious in the difference between numbers. I cannot see a pattern there. It's much harder to find some relationship between the ordering of those characters. And that makes it harder to break that cipher. The idea with encryption is to take some structured plain text and produce some cipher text which has no structure, which is random, effectively. So if there's no structural pattern in the output, that's good. And what we see here, which is an important principle of real ciphers, we've taken our simple cipher, our simple rows columns, encrypted once, and we still see some pattern, not very secure. Encrypt again, pattern is not so obvious. It's more secure. And that's an important principle to apply simple operations multiple times. And that adds security to our cipher. And we see many ciphers in use today are built from taking simple operations. This is a combination of two transpositions. It gets even better if you combine transpositions with substitutions. Encrypt using a play fair cipher, then apply rows columns on the output, and then encrypt with the play fair cipher again, and then rows columns again, and the final cipher text will be much, much stronger than if you did just one of them. So this concept of combining transpositions and substitutions is what's used in real ciphers today, and one of the main points that we get from these classical ciphers. If you find the pattern, then write down an equation that describes it. And then I'll post it on the web email list. That finishes our topic effectively. The last two, which we'll cover next week, are just some other examples. In fact, we won't go through rotor machines. We'll just a brief example on steganography. And then we'll move on to real ciphers, and we'll see these same concepts repeated. Transpositions, substitutions, combination of the two. Let's continue that next week.


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Ah, ah, ah! Don't turn that dial. This is the right station if you want to hear about Jonathan Thomas and his Christmas on the moon. Are you gathered up close to your radio? If you're not, then hurry, because, you know, this is the time for Jonathan Thomas, and you'll want to learn if he's kept his promise to rescue Santa, who was stolen away by the bad squibobliums, and it wasn't in play. Jonathan Thomas and the man on the moon said not to worry that they'd find him soon, and they and Gorgonzola the horse have been doing all that they can, of course. They've traveled along a dangerous road past the dragon's cave and the home of the toad, and oh my goodness, they've had so much trouble because of a kettle that was set to bubble by the very worst kind of a wicked old witch who rules over the land of Rumpelstich. You see, when a witch prepares her brew, there's no telling what'll happen to you, and she caused Jonathan Thomas to fall asleep as they passed through the nightmare forest deep. But quick as a wink, there appeared on the scene their very good friend, the fairy queen, and he soon woke up for she knew the charm. She's always trying to keep them from harm, and the wicked old witch was as mad as could be. He said, I'll get them yet, you wait and see. But the travelers' brave sat out once more when suddenly they heard an awful roar. It was only a lion who asked them to dine when they named him Jigraf, which he thought was fine, and he gave them a gift. It was a box of growls to frighten the witch and give her the howls, so they thanked him kindly and hurried away because it was getting very late in the day. At last, being tired, they thought it would be wise if they sat down to rest, and then they got a surprise, for they sat right down on the elf king's home and broke all the pieces his fairy thrown. The elf king was as angry as angry could be and said, for this damage you'll have to pay me. Just then, the old witch, mad as any old thing, came for Jonathan Thomas and the little elf king, but they opened the box and let out a growl, and she soon flew away with a dreadful howl.  As down the road you travel, which you must be cause, you must find Santa Claus, and the kidnapping mystery unravel. So, they found the door as the elf king said, and they were very careful to use their head, but they were filled with dread as they all went in, but then, here's where the story begins again. Oh, Mr. Man and the Moon, if you please. This is the funniest place I ever saw. That's a tremendous simmer, Jonathan Thomas, if I ever heard one. This place isn't the least bit funny. Bet funny? I didn't mean that it was funny, like funny things are funny, but like unfunny things are sometimes funny. Sometimes funny. That's very complicated, Jonathan Thomas. It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't even make one cent, and it takes five cents to make a nickel. To make a nickel. Oh my goodness gracious to Jimmy Cricket, who on earth is mocking me? Maybe it's only a nickel. Maybe it is. Oh, we must have come in the wrong door, but it's too late now because the door is locked, and we can't get out. Oh, look, Mr. Man and the Moon, somebody's coming. Huh? Maybe it's a parade, or maybe soldiers. Oh, free lab judge. It is soldiers, three of them, and they're probably coming to arrest us. Oh, what shall we do? Whatever shall we do, whatever shall we do? We better hide. Oh, it's too late now, here they are. But for more and it equates, so stop right now before it's too late. It must help a night, and we'd like some strawberry pie. Silly is as silly does. We're locked in jail without any bail, and we had to do it because we'd better tell the chief, be safe and sound, and gag with plum pudding till he can't make a sound. Why don't you guess? Before we confess. And if you guess right, we'll quickly say yes. We don't know where. They don't know who we don't. No we don't. Why, this is the kingdom without any malice. It isn't a rhyme, but I'll make up a line, which ends with the word squoosh whallis. The answer is yes. How did you guess? You're very smart, we'll have to confess. Oh, no wonder everything is made out of looking glasses. Well then, for gracious sakes, if this is the land of the looking glass, tell us where to find the queen. The queen isn't lost. Nobody said she was. Then why should you find her? Oh, for goodness sakes, to Jiminy Cricket, you're driving me crazy. You want to find her? You couldn't anyway, cause she's already found.  We should like to see Queen Alice. Yes, we should like to see Queen Alice, cause I want to find Gag. Oh, please don't tease and tell us how to go about it. You don't have to go about it, just go straight down the road. Of course, on your horse, that's what me and myself said. Then you'll find a door. You should rap, rap, rap, rap, and that adds up to four. Oh, what's the door for? It's the door to the palace. Of good Queen Alice. There isn't a rhyme, but I'll make up a line, which ends with the word, Squoosh Wallis. Oh, thank you very much. Yes, thank you very much. Goodbye. Goodbye. Ye up, Gorgonzola, come on. For where we're off to see Alice in Alice's palace, for she was a very good queen. The best in the land I understand, and not in the least bit mean. Oh, we're off to see Alice in Alice's palace. We're off to Alice's palace. So down the road they went, as quick as if they'd been sent to the palace of Alice, the looking glass queen, who always is nice and never is mean. So Cliffordie Klopp and Cliffordie Klopp, they pretty soon came to a stop, and there was a wall that was very tall, and only one door to go through. So quickly, of course, they climbed off the horse, and before you could count up to two, they knocked and knocked, but the door was locked. Nobody's home, maybe. Fiddle sticks, Jonathan Thomas. If nobody's home, then somebody must be there. Not once more. No admittance until the second Tuesday of next week. Well, for goodness sakes. People shouldn't ever slam doors in people's faces. Knock again, Jonathan Thomas. We'll keep right on knocking until somebody does let us in. We're just knocking. No one will answer the door. Well, now, what's it been asking? What's been asking, if you please? Why the door? The questions come first, the answers come after. So what did the door ask you? Then why do you wish it answered if it didn't ask anything? I've only been knocking at the door. The door don't say... As they do. They say, keep out. This strictly means you. Oh, for goodness sakes. And you shouldn't go around knocking on doors, either, either, either. If you can't say anything good about them, then keep still. What did this door ever do to you? Why, nothing, of course. Well, then, you leave it alone and it'll leave you alone. It's as easy as subtracting nine from eight. Well, I...  Whatever it is, we don't want it.  Or it wouldn't surprise me if you don't get away. For I am Napoleon the Great and Henry number eight. And I much prefer the latter, and I not at all sad. But I am a little bit mad. Mad, mad, mad, mad. I am the mad hatter. Well, now, what next is going to happen?  Oh, my goodness, I wonder what'll happen next. But maybe Queen Alice will be very nice to Jonathan Thomas and the man in the moon. And I certainly hope so, because Christmas isn't very far off and they've just got to find Santa Claus in time. So don't forget to listen to the next story of Jonathan Thomas and his Christmas on the moon, will ya? 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news network TFNN headline news update. Good afternoon, everybody. I'm Tommy O'Brien, company live from TFNN headquarters in St. Petersburg, Florida, 1 p.m. Eastern time on Wednesday, three hours left to go on the trading day and one hour left to go until the Fed decision. FOMC, second day of the meeting, finishing up 2 p.m. Eastern time. We'll get an announcement all but assured the market is expecting rates to hold steady, no cut or no hike. Chairman Powell, a press conference at 2.30 p.m. Eastern time should be interesting to see how that shapes the end of the trading day. Right now, pretty muted market as we await that Fed announcement. S&P's negative one point at 31.35. Get the Dow Jones negative by 43 points, trading 27.838. NASDAQ positive by 12, trading at 86.28. Gold contract, gold contract, excuse me, catching a little bit of a bid up $7 at 14.75. Notes and bonds, a little bit of higher price and lower yield coming into that Fed decision. The 10-year up 5 ticks at 1.2902, the 30-year up 18 ticks at 1.5820. We'll start things off. Let's jump over the indices. We'll start it off with the Dow. It's kind of been a slow trickle since most of the overnight in the Dow, little bit different than the other indices. You'll see when we jump over. The high in the Dow, 27.975, made just after 3 a.m. Eastern time, currently 27.846. NASDAQ 100. As you can see, not really a downward slope, just kind of hanging out in this trading range, the lower end at about 83.60. Excuse me, where we were overnight, we trade up to a high at 10 a.m. of 83.95, just off that level of 83.77. S&P's trading at 31.35, made it above 31.40 earlier in the day. There's your gold contract catching a bit, actually made it up to a high of 14.77, gold trading at 14.74 at 98. Crude oil, we got the EIA inventory this morning. We saw a surprise build. The expectation was for a draw. You saw the price plummet from 59.12 all the way to a low of 58.12, right about a dollar, but it's charged back 58.77 of the price of January crude and the euro US dollar trade in 110.92. The headline of the day, as I mentioned it, the Fed expected to hold rate steady and vow to keep short-term lending markets stable. That's what they're expected to do. We will find out one hour from right now. Stay tuned, folks. We're going to have a replay this hour. Steve Rhodes is out today. He'll be back tomorrow, but Dave White is going to be live at two o'clock live from two till three, Chairman Powell, press conference at 2.30 and Tom O'Brien live at three o'clock. Stay tuned, folks. We'll be right back.


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Anderson family I tell you Oliver you got to do something to get rid of this brother-in-law mine oh boy he eats like a horse looks like one too I don't see where it's any affair of yours Oliver oh I don't know Homer helped me get rid of Uncle Oscar didn't he and you don't like the brother-in-law no seems like a nice fellow pop you stay out of this junior don't you speak to junior that way let's visit the Anderson family well this whole thing started when Homer Meister than the next-door neighbor of the Anderson's ask Oliver to help him get rid of his brother-in-law the brother-in-law moved in bag and baggage and poor Homer's been pushed around by everyone Mary and Oliver are listening to Homer's tale of wool Mary I tell you I'm a broken man Rockwell has to go oh come now Homer he'll only be here for a short visit no nope that's what I thought at first but he brung a toothbrush and pajamas that means he's holding up for the season yeah now why don't you just tell him he's not want oh Oliver he couldn't do that yep yep Mary's right it's what I'd like to do but Marty's got such a strong personality well I'd like to see some stooge hang around here if I didn't want him to go must just how I feel why when we went to the train to meet him Marty put on a new outfit spent a whole hour on a hairdo Homer Meister being jealous of Martha's own brother take that Mary but when we at this morning we had side meat and eggs something we never have and oh boy I made a mistake mistake yep yep I tried to be polite like and I I made the mistake I pushed the platter over to him and said help yourself Rockwell and he yep he did with one swipe of his knife he took every egg in both pieces bacon yep took the whole work oh that's hardly fair Homer where his manners Mary he just ain't got any he's just like her side you know Homer if he stays on you're gonna have to go to work to get out of the house well I'm not gonna upset my home life for him I'll tell you that well why don't you have a good talk with Martha I'm sure she knew how you felt Homer why she'd do something you ain't kidding yeah if he's one of them follows and knows it all get him a job something to do well oh maybe you could help him out now wait a minute maybe mr. Thompson could find him something to do hold on wait a minute now I should lose my job just to get him work well I don't see why you would lose your job mr. Thompson could get him something to do in the shipping department you said he always put the lowest in aptitude down there Oliver if you could get him a job I'd do anything for you well I'd have to lie to get him in see who it is Oliver probably someone for junior oh it's Martha Oliver wants to meet my brother Rockwell fine come on in go on in Rockwell you've got to be careful who you talk to you know oh Martha can vouch for us come on in sit down a minute just wanted to introduce Rockwell around he's my brother you know my older brother well how do you do Rockwell oh well gosh oh my dear if I didn't know that I was gonna meet a pretty girl I don't dress up a bit I'm silly putting on shoes just for that say that other filler there have I met him you know turn well who I be now don't go raising your voice to Rockwell sure sure now I remember I know what I heard that name before I suppose you're tired out from your trip Rockwell yep yep I got picked up in Riley Springs they taken to me in there's a zoo oh me that was a good one oh he just needs his ears slapped back how long are you going to stay Rockwell well it all's according to that's fine want to work here look around Rockwell's good at most everything that's why I come over thought maybe mr. Anderson could get him on down to the store yes I got any horses there no horses no any cows nope no cows we'd be pretty lonesome for oh you get used to people in no time they might get used to you Rocky wouldn't do any harm Oliver to inquire any how I'll do it probably use them in the shipping department that's simply wonderful well come down to the store yeah well I'll be getting along to Oliver you can stay if you want Homer yeah rock well I've got so much to talk about how long since you've seen Rockwell Martha we come out here in 19 goodness it's been a long time and I hardly had a minute to talk about the folks back home well if you want Rockwell to go to work he better spend some time filling out an aptitude test for the company oh no not me no I ain't sticking no needle in my own the needle you see Mary this is going to be don't take it a lot longer than I thought I'll let me be alone with this prospect you want me to get out well yeah everyone you can see how confused he is right now that's right nice of you Oliver come on Homer don't do nothing to hurt Rockwell's chances nothing Homer does will hurt him any more oh that's so nice come on now Homer well I hope the test comes out all right Oliver well maybe if I help him he can get in the shipping department I don't know you're gonna take him down with you Oliver yeah I'm going down an hour or so I do try hard Rockwell Oliver so kind I ain't taking no needle maybe we're confusing Rockwell yeah you're right Mary him being strange to all us and everything and I want you to move your stuff out of your room Homer when we get home Rockwell can't sleep in that car I can't imagine it I ain't taking no needle look Rockwell I'm trying to help you I'm trying to get you in our shipping department you have to start from there when you get advanced to a moron they'll give you another job is it hard to get to be a moron well not for you I'll let's see well I have one of those tests in the desk Oliver or swell get it will you not too busy what is it take a chance on a turkey raffle it's a benefit he says probably a benefit for the chaplain family look don't talk anymore I have to help Rockwell with a test oh your mr. Meister's brother quiet now quiet let Rockwell concentrate here Oliver aptitude test junior grade that's the low one how let's see what was your maiden name well do me before I was married the first time or second time yeah you're right now if you can't be quiet junior you'll have to leave the room second question what is the ratio of the circumference to the diameter of a circle first time I was married or the second this has nothing to do with that we don't have to answer the first one conferences five no no six times see the conferences three and fourteen sixteen ten thousand times the diameter or pie pop read it in a book stop reading all right now I ask you to be quiet taking no need I know that I know that I'm trying to help you now question three what color is Paris green that's foreign ain't it and I don't know nothing foreign well just guess think hard now come on pull yourself together yellow no wait now look Paris green is green yeah sure I was thinking a blue bit to leave the room junior now all right but be quiet this is a tough thing we've answered all the questions now just sign right oh yeah no do I take a no need isn't any needle just sign right here and go downtown with me to see the boss so I ain't starting nothing till I read it but you see oh do I don't read so good so I'll sign it you won't need me anymore pop no and thanks for your help rock well we'll remember you welcome pop and now let's get out of the office so you can start work tomorrow I'll go over and get my jeans all right that's and hurry up oh well he's gonna work they're just pound nails and the big husky man like him doesn't have to think a place for guys like him down in the shipping department okay pop good luck yeah hey I didn't like the way you said that son Mr. Anderson I'll tell him thanks to train her when Mr. Thompson is tied up but I know he wants the money so why don't you bring it on over Mr. Anderson will be out in a minute sir thank you no needle I didn't get you fixed up rock the boss is going over your aptitude test and is he a relative of yours Mr. Anderson no he's not a relative of mine and if he were it's no business of yours don't snap my head off well it ain't the only place to work you know watch the switchboard that's all you have to do I don't know why you should be ashamed of him I'm not just a brother-in-law of a neighbor you don't have to apologize I'm not apologizing for anything or anybody rock well is joining our organization you'll more and likely start down in the shipping room why do you tell me this I'm not interested in him I don't know myself forget it sure gonna be a noisy place to work in not where you're going all you'll hear down there is pounding and sawing nice and quiet yes Mr. Thompson yes sir right away sir thank you Mr. Thompson says you'll see you now Mr. Anderson also your protege protege thank you that's probably the first thing you've done right today and look Rockwell just don't open your mouth in there and we may be able to slip this over okay bro are you taking on organization Rockwell my boy pull up a chair there well I don't mind if I do my dogs are killing me you see he's also just full of humor that's fine we need more humor in our everyday dealings with our customers tell me Rockwell have you done much selling I sold off to college heifers for the lift the breath fine fine he's husky too boss make us a good man well yeah yes now that I see him well I read your attitude test Rockwell and we can certainly use a man like you in our organization that's right no I shall give you how did he do on the test excellent in fact it's one of the best thought out test it's been my pleasure to correct he has a quick mind you know that's where he fooled me to look at you Rockwell I don't suspect a thing but from your test I know you're a good listener that's important when the time is right you step in and close him and make the sale I'm a good thinker boss there won't be a lot of selling to be done down there in the shipping department really you're quite right good heavens I couldn't put a man with his thinking in the shipping department Anderson huh you couldn't why of course not that's why I have this test appearances are sometimes deceitful but this test has never failed why do you realize that this man rated an even 90 is that above a moron considerably Anderson when you figure you got 62 on the test oh well yeah yes but you know I was tired yes you're always tired Anderson well I'm sure we'll work this thing out to everyone satisfaction including me see there Rockwell I told you he was a fair person all he had to do was work hard put the organization ahead of yourself all pulled together right right Anderson I like your spirit well I try you know I was afraid you'd feel differently about me oh I got that organization then you'll cooperate with Rockwell you'll show Rockwell where everything is filed in your office the open accounts in the prospect file and show him everything he should know about your job about my job that's right I'm not letting you out Anderson you've been with us too long oh worried for a minute oh nothing to worry about at all you'll report to Palmer right after lunch and get a time card from him we need a man with organization spirit in the shipping department I'll back to the Anderson family well Oliver has taken a brother-in-law of Homer Meisters down to his shop in order to get him a job Rockwell the brother-in-law had to fill out an aptitude test he knew absolutely none of the questions and Oliver himself didn't know too many but juniors sat in on the discussion and his answers made a grade of 90 for Rockwell to show how good a grade this was the boss put Rockwell and Oliver's job and put Oliver to work in the shipping department or right now Mary is calling at Tupp's Thompson and Torrance office to see Oliver about a dentist appointment there's pops office over there mom let's go on in no dear the lady will fall gee pops a pretty important guy around here mom he's worked hard for it darling that's what I've always tried to tell you you only get promotion through hard work yeah honest mom I wouldn't want this to get back to pop but he didn't know half those questions on that test well that's understandable as you grow older you forget many things you learned when you were young because you're busy learning new things and that Rockwell mom he's stupid junior not so loud that's no way to talk about a person I'm sorry gee I wonder what's keeping pop I'll find out just sit still I'll be right back to you Tupp's Thompson and Torrance yes mr. Jones hmm well now don't get tough with me brother I didn't order anything from you take it up with Thompson direct and he ain't talking to nobody this afternoon pardon me is it all right for me to go in Mr. Anderson's office I'm Mrs. Anderson Mrs. Anderson gee you're nice thank you nothing like him at all how do you stand him I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about I'm sorry I'll go in if you don't mind of course not come on junior we're going in okay mom oh it's Rockwell I'm kind of busy now what you want busy well I'm Mrs. Anderson you remember then you'd be looking for mr. Anderson that's right well I'll show you where he is where he is isn't this his office not no more it ain't mine now gee pop did better for you than he expected I already thanked him I'm provided you well you just follow me you can see him I know how you feel about this but I got a schedule to keep up and that means hit the ball all of us drive that nail pull that wire do our best that's the motto of the shipping room and now come come settle down and just keep plugging back oh brother this is tough now you can talk while you're nailing I can hear you but these blisters in a couple of weeks you'll be used to it now let's get on with that new stack there four nails to a board eight boards to a box now set an example for the men around yeah Mary what are you doing here well I'll tell you tonight I can't talk please don't keep mr. Anderson from his work you can talk to him as long as you want after working hours it's a rule of the organization drive that nail pull that wire oh Oliver what's happened you heard what the men said no Anderson the only hit that nail pull that one more on and get out of my sight gosh he ain't got no humor at all what happened dear plenty junior answers so many those questions right on that test that the boss gave rock will my job and put me down here oh I'll not stand for it I'll go right up and see mr. Tom oh no no no not that I've been a fool now let me take it she mom pops got two thumbs so well shut up I have not got two thumbs that's a blister over this is what you get for trying to help people you try to help him I wanted no part of it maybe mom and me ought to talk to mr. Thompson pop he likes me now wait a minute I'll do my own talking I'll see you at home not go on I don't want to lose this job too come in come in sit down junior to my my other boy is growing Mr. Thompson you've made a terrible mistake I have how Mary this rock well oh yes rock well a good man Mary mighty good highest test I've ever corrected but I have to excuse me Mary hello Thompson speaking oh yes hello Bert you're what oh excellent you're bringing the 10,000 over from the bank wonderful how I need that loan for this carload of washers thanks 10,000 wow was that tough to get from that bank Mary no one knows what that 10,000 means to me right now it's my life's blood now about Oliver do we have to talk about him yes we do there's something you should know well he's had 11 years to show me and I haven't seen it yet haven't seen what that necessary spark wasn't that what you were going to tell me that he'd make good if given a chance I had no in such intentions I wanted to explain about that there's really nothing to explain Mary good grief if one man gets a 62 in a test and another man gets 90 who would you hire if he wasn't your husband that's beside the point oh you know Mary I'm far too happy over that 10,000 dollars the man is bringing bringing it to me personally mind you well I'm glad you've got the money of course excuse me Mary yes Thompson speaking who now wait a minute Jones I never told you I take that $10,000 worth of spikes although I didn't oh you're gonna get tough about her you're what you'll punch who and whose nose okay if that's the way you feel come on over and try it no it wasn't the man from the bank now hurry go on out and come back later there's gonna be fireworks and I may have to clean up the office with this don't worry about it now now you get that straight Rockwell I'm leaving you in my office the man comes in he's going to make me take some nails I never ordered well I'm going out for a while now if he doesn't get out when you tell him use your own judgment I don't care what you do to him get that I sure like that I know just what to do good then you just use your own judgment now I'm leaving handle it anyway you like you wanted to talk to me Anderson yes sir well keep nailing I can hear you what is it well I have to see Mr. Thompson it's against the rules of the organization Anderson don't care if it is I have to see him very well you're new in the department now how long do you think it'll take about ten minutes now let's see just 431 I'll deduct ten minutes off your time and you're to be back at 441 no later and don't dilly-dally on the way thank you sir I appreciate this very much Thompson and Torrance now no I'm sorry we don't handle that line at all look Sadie do something for me oh you startled me Mr. Anderson all that saw that's done your whiskers I'm sorry but what I'm working you can't help getting some on you I don't think that's new guys gonna work up Mr. Anderson honest don't know from nothing he's trying to talk Mr. Thompson into carrying a line of harnesses for horses imagine is Thompson in his office no I'm sorry he just meet out the back door probably his wife or some jammies in again oh he's gone yeah but Rockwell's in his office Rockwell taking over the boss's office oh no not that he's just sitting in there is all oh well that's different your wife said she'd be right back why don't you wait for her I can't only have ten minutes I've got a lot to talk about why don't you just go in and keep Rockwell company look I don't want ever to hear that name again well you brought him in didn't you against my best judgment yes I was just down in the shipping room Mr. Palmer I know he said I had 10 minutes until 441 you didn't quit did you pop no I'm waiting to see Mr. Thompson well he's standing on the fire escape with his hands over his ears fire escape yeah I spoke to him and he said I don't want anyone to know I'm out here oh hiding out so he doesn't have to see me huh pardon me I have something for Mr. Thompson he's waiting to see me where's his office right over there the big one but he's we're all right thank you I know he'll be glad to see me isn't that Mr. Traynor from the bank yeah he doesn't remember me I guess I wonder what he where's Thompson oh now he don't want to see you about nothing so you'll get on out oh he'll see me all right I have something for him he don't want it and he told you so now look here my good man oh I ain't a good man I'm Rockwell and I'm here to protect Mr. Thompson and I can do it too he said I could do anything to you I wanted oh come now surely you must be needling take your hands off me he's a gentleman that ain't what Thompson said that's what Thompson says behind my back very well he'll hear me from this what's going on I'll ask your bouncer Thompson I've been assaulted and you'll pay dearly for this it's all a mistake Bert as for you Rockwell get out of here well gosh I done what you told me I don't you know such thing now clear out of here get out of my sight you're fired yeah but boss and so are you oh come now Anderson's been with you a long time Thompson it's not like you to be so nervous my goodness maybe our money isn't safe I'm all right Bert just had a bad night is all leave the money I'll just make this all up to you I'm so sorry I could just crawl it's it's humiliating well it's a good thing that you're surrounded yourself with good men like Anderson or we'd not take a risk on such a nearer to understand why Anderson is part of us here Bert well couldn't get along without him right hand man right here and I'll leave oh thank you Bert thank you thank you and see that your reception committee is a little more gentle the next time you want to know yes sir Anderson I've been a fool take your job back and forget this whole thing I must have been out of my mind oh well it was an experiment oh run on take the rest of the day off well I believe there's still a half hour to go thank goodness everything's over gee that's fine there's something I have to say to make a pommer in the shipping room good heavens Oliver what's going on it's all over Mary I'm back in my old job she didn't have to beat him up to get it I did no such thing the boss is okay again and from now on things will be normal he said so himself where's this Thompson Boyd oh well he's in his office who's calling he don't need no introduction to me but I'm off for the afternoon the Anderson family is written by Howard Swart directed by Herb Litten and features Dick Lane as Oliver Louise Arthur as Mary Walter Tetley as Junior and Herbert Rawlinson as Homer others in the cast were Doug Young as Rockwell Jack Willing DeWitt Paul Theodore Jenny Johnson and George Peroni music by Gordon Kibbe sound effects by Ray Erlenborn and your announcer is Ken Peters the Anderson family is a Hollywood broadcasters production transcribed from Hollywood


Hey everyone. Welcome to my show Friday PM. My name is Luigi Scarcelli. We got a great show for you tonight I'm here with Derry Rundlitt. A veteran of the station, a gentleman who's had a show here for about 20 years. 20 years or so. 20 years.  I love this place, but I also enjoyed the place that you are well aware of up on Oak Street when we first began. I like this place a lot. I like the way you set up the lights here today. Yeah, it's a great studio. So I just wanted to get a chance to talk to you a little bit about your life, your career, your life as a lawyer. Just kind of get into it and see what we mine from it. Probably not much, but anyway. Well first of all I was born right here in Portland just up the street and spent my elementary years here until my father passed away in 58 and I've said before that I used to eat in a restaurant right across the street that you and I were at the very spot and it wasn't a Chinese place. It was a drug store. I used to look across the street this building. I never dreamed that my lifelong dream of having a TV show would be across the street from that spot. That was literally within weeks after my father passed away and then I moved on and went to Bowdoin College. So that's the first 22 years right there. Right. We're going fast through it. So you were at Bowdoin College. I know that that was an all men's school at the time. Is that correct? I didn't realize how much I thought that was a good idea at the time, but I remember sitting in class going, so how come I don't hear a feminine voice? And it was a little strange for me. I liked it a lot though. But yeah, it was all male until 71 and they went to Coed. Now they are completely 50-50 Coed and it's a wonderful school. And there was no teachers that were women. It was all men teachers. No, that's right. That's another major flaw in my opinion. No, they were all male professors. And I think you had said that there was like the Sons of Bowdoin. It was kind of a... Oh yeah, it was a song. Rise, Sons of Bowdoin. They don't sing that song anymore. They change the words. Rise, people of Bowdoin or whatever. They had to change a few things. They had to change a lot of things. And I have to tell you something for the better. It is wonderful to see that school. The women's basketball teams and the sports teams and all the stuff that they're doing. I mean, I'm very pleased to see Bowdoin as a Coed school. It's a great place. And so you were at Bowdoin. Then you jumped from Bowdoin to Humane Law. Well, between that though, I graduated from Bowdoin. I had to go in the service for a while. Correct. So I had a stay period and I went to work for Channel 6 television and account executive. But I wanted to be on the air. Trust me, they didn't want to put me on the air. They were happy to be selling TV time. And then I went to law school and ended up going to Maine. I was accepted to other schools but ended up wanting to be in Maine and went to Maine. And I loved Maine Law School and made a lot of good friends. So let's go back to that. You were in the service. This was during Vietnam. Yeah, but I was in the reserve. So the closest I got to Vietnam was California. Right. I like being in the service, I'll tell you. Yeah. I wanted to describe myself well in the movie Animal House. I was having a fun time at Bowdoin. Right. And when I got in the service and started crawling in the dirt and shooting weapons and pretending to kill people's knives and bayonets. I'll tell you, I was so far out of my league. But you can't. You have to play the pie. Because you had said that when you were undergraduate at Bowdoin, whether or not that was even the time of the war, when you were in law school, there was no way to get out of being in the draft. That's right. Because when I was at Bowdoin, first went to Bowdoin, if you went to law school, you get deferred. And then that changed when Vietnam. They could get medical school deferments and I think being a priest or something, or a minister, possibly a teacher but not law students. And they even said on TV, by the way, are you guys thinking you're going to go to law school? No, you're going to be drafted. And they were doing it by the number. Right. Birthday lottery. And so I was very fortunate. Somebody called, I was on the radio at Bowdoin and I was doing a rock and roll show. Somebody kindly called me when I made a joke and said, there was a reserve in the open. I don't know who that person is, but I would give them a lot of money today if I ever had them.  I owe you a solid, as they say. And so you had said that after the time of being in the service, that's when you started your career as a city attorney, is that correct? Yeah, I was assistant corporation counsel. That was my official title. And I was fortunate then because John Monario was city manager and he was a wonderful man. And there was a wonderful counsel, Leslie McVane, on the TV studio. Her father was on the city council. They had really good people on the council. And I did most of the trial work and their labor litigation. So I got to be in the courtroom a lot, representing a nice client. The city was almost always right. So it was easy to represent somebody who was probably trying to do things right. So you worked for the city and was that about when you decided to go into private practice? Yes, I was there for a few years and went into private practice. I became a member of a trial firm and we had a living to do with the courtroom, divorces and criminal cases of personal injury and civil litigation and probate litigation. I remember that you had said that at the time. I mean, you got pretty well known as a trial lawyer. Yeah. I had described you when we were talking before as the tough lawyer, but that's not exactly, they thought of you as the very meticulous lawyer. Well, first of all, when you're a young attorney, it was sort of nice to be known as a badger or a go-getter or whatever, a barrack where those names are. Because you're doing a lot of cases that are coming in your office. Right, exactly. But no, then later I got, you know, getting a personal injury where I represented plaintiffs that have been injured and I took it very seriously because you're representing victims. And I did a fair amount of divorces. And so, yeah, I tried a lot of cases and I was proud to win the Legend Award by Terry Gami, my dear, dear friend, and also co-host on my TV show here.  So thank you for mentioning that. Yeah, I know a lot of lawyers are more involved in dealing with insurance and settlements, but you didn't mind getting into the court and kind of duking it out. Well, let me put this way. You should be trying to settle your cases. When you settle a case, your client doesn't go through all the difficulties of a trial. You know, they don't like it. It's not fun to be in a court if you're the client. The lawyer we're used to, you know, it's like being on the stage. But it's not a fun experience for the average person. And so you try to resolve your cases. And we have a process in place now that's wonderful. It's called mediation. And most ordinary cases will settle in mediation. Now, catastrophic cases like medical negligence and product liability, where there's a lot on the line, those often have to go all the way to trial. But in the early days, we were taking small cases, the court, 20,000, 30,000, 50,000.  And now, first of all, there are very few civil jury trials now because of COVID. And so they're all backed up and they've got to get them up. And so I feel bad for young lawyers these days and not getting into the courtroom and trying jury trials. I get to try many jury trials in my career. Not as many as some attorneys, but quite a few. And it's quite an experience. But I was fortunate because I had, most of my cases, I had good clients and good cases. But I thought that what the audience really wants to learn more about is your career in TV and some of the interesting folks that you've met. And that's where we wanted to take this discussion. Yeah, that's a long answer. But I can just tell you, this place became my dream come true as a child, even when I was in college. I wanted more than anything else to be on TV. I wanted to be like Johnny Carson. I don't care what your name. Game show host, whatever. And that's when I went to work for Channel 6. I was not in their minds. And I didn't really ask to be on the air. I kind of hinted at it. But I said, I did apply for the job of a weatherman. And they didn't give me that. So I'm very fortunate to have a law partner, Ken, whose wife came up with the idea. And he came up with the idea of a show called Law on the Line. This is 1999 or something, 22. And so we had lunch with Tommy Handel. And the next thing we know, we're doing that show together at Oak Street. And Ken Altshield was my first co-host. And then he went on to bigger and better things as a co-host of the most listened to talk show in Maine. And then, and so I kept the thing going. And then it became the Dairy Run That Show. And now I got that and me on five. And to me, it's a very fun experience. But I have met some good people. You know, I like to always drop the name of Refli Bailey. I had the last interview with him before he passed away. I'm very proud to know him. It was by coincidence that I would have had that last interview. But he was, in my opinion, a wonderful guest. And then you got the governors of the Baldachi and Mills who had them on. And Brenda Lee, my friend who sings Rockin' on the Christmas Tree and Don Campbell. And God, I once was an ad in the paper and all the people I've had on the show. I've been so fortunate. You're going to enjoy this so much. There's nothing more fun than talking to wonderful people. So you did have, we talked about that. You had the last ever interview with Refli Bailey before he passed away. Refli Bailey, well known for OJ case. Wasn't he involved in something like the Son of Sam way back when or something? Well, he was a Boston strangler. Of course, he had many stars. Many stars he represented over the years. But those are the ones that people remember. And of course, the fugitive was based on his case. But no, he had hundreds of cases that people probably never would have even heard about. But also big cases. I mean, it's safe to say that Refli Bailey is probably the first celebrity lawyer in a sense that he became also. Well, you say, what about Abe Lincoln and John Kennedy? But I have said this on my show, and I'm going to say it on this show. I consider him to be the greatest trial lawyer in American history by none. And I'm throwing in Clarence Darrow and everybody else you want to put in, John Adams. And it's primarily because of all of his accomplishments. Not just the major ones, but, you know, his life as a pilot, all of these things that he did, all of his incredible work in civil rights. One of his best friends was Harry Belafonte. And so he's not only defending people, whatever, but he's also advocating the right cause. The rights of people, the rights of trial by jury and stuff. And I was just very, very pleased to know him. I went to his memorial service with Rob Baldacci and Steve Schwartz. I'll tell you something. It was a wonderful experience to hear. Really nice people say nice things about him. And he got criticized and vilified, not only for OJ, but he had some problems with the bar. And I consider it a travesty. They never became a lawyer in Maine, but that's another story for another time. It's a story for another time, exactly. And I know you talk, finally, is it Brenda Lee? She is a very dear friend. She called me last week and left me a voicemail singing her hit, I'm sorry. I met her on a rock and roll cruise in 2014. And we just became friends. And then my wife and I went down and visited her. Then we went to Las Vegas with her. And then we went on a cruise with her. And then we've been to Atlantic City with her. And we've been, stayed at her house in Nashville. And she was the number one female singer of the 60s. Really? Yeah. She was the number one female, only the Beatles partially beat her in terms of record sales. And then she went into country shows. She's also the only singer to be in the rock and roll Hall of Fame and the country Hall of Fame as well as the rock and billy Hall of Fame. Of course her Christmas song, Rock Around the Christmas Tree has been the number two song. Well, it was number one until Mariah Carey came up with it. Mariah Carey's one, exactly. She's a sweet-ass, she's a wonderful person. She's just as nice as she can be, like a sister. But recently you had some rather, some people might think of unsavory characters, but not everybody would. But you sat down with some interesting fellows. Yes. On this very studio, we had just a couple of guys that referred to themselves. And one of them referred to was a former mob boss from Philadelphia and Boston. And they were well-known and served time. And Rob Baldacci arranged that. He happened to know them. And so Rob arranged that interview and did it with me. I've got to tell you, it was an incredible experience because you're asking the tough questions. Right. And for those of us that are in our 70s, one of the most incredible bank heists in history, of course, was this Isabella Stewart Gardner. Right. And it's still a mystery. They don't know who did it. Right. They don't know where the paintings are. Yeah. And so I was sitting there with them and I said, I say that, Isabella Stewart Gardner. And they start laughing. And we get into the fact that they, yeah, they're pretty sure they have some inkling of who. And tell me everything. But I just thought it was amazing because I had always wanted to myself. Does anybody know? And was that then? And plus they were quite descriptive of their involvement in Maine and in England back, which was ancient history for some people. But for me, the 90s are not that far back. Wasn't that far back? To me, in my mind. So, but you weren't at all worried about, you end up in the river or anything like that?  Right. And so it was his brothers. I didn't mean that in a nice way. I sort of felt pretty protected. I don't, let me put it this way. I'm going to be frank with you. I wouldn't have done that show by myself. Right. No, I said to Rob, well, Rob, you're going to do it with me. And he was, oh yeah. So, yeah. And these guys have been out of the business for a while? Well, but these guys have their own podcast, by the way. Right. They're already stars in their own right. So coming up here was not like they, you know, like this was a step down for them. Right. To deal with the Terry Remlitz. Right. But we enjoyed it though. They enjoyed it. I definitely wanted to talk about your relationship also with Bobby right now. Thank you. Yeah. Yes. Also a friend that I met on the rock and roll cruise. And it was just a dream come true for me. When I was in school, I used to listen to him when I was in high school.  I've been with my friend right now. And then I always wanted to be friends with Frank Sinatra. And to me, I, the dear God said, yeah, too old. I'm going to give you someone your age. And that would be Bobby right. That was 80. This next coming month. And I'm right now working on a project for him that we hope will take place, which would be a musical about his life like the Jersey boys and the buddy Holly Storing and Tina Turner and Dion's got one going now. And Neil Diamond's got one going. And his story is definitely one that would make a great musical. He had a lot of hits and the big thing about his life was that he had organ transplants and survived through those organ transplants. He came back on stage, back to sell out shows in Vegas, back to sell out shows on the cruise ships and down itself. And as the golden boys a band stand. Golden boys. And here he is with Frankie Avalon and Fabian. And I also know Frankie Avalon. I've been backstage with him. And but Ry Dell is a story into himself. And I texted him last night and he's the most responsive person to me in text in terms of time response. Like all the people I know, he usually gets back to me within a minute. He gets right back. So to me that's a lot of fun to know him because he is very much Frank Sinatra like. He is treated like Frank Sinatra. He acts like Frank Sinatra because they were friends. And I don't mean a copycat but I mean he has that Italian bravado and he loves people and people love him. And he's an icon. He's on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. And to me I'm just very honored to know him. And but I was introduced to him by a dear friend Bob Culloch of the Happenings and Bob Culloch is a best friend. And you know he's the one that actually got me into that club. So I have to pay homage to Bob Culloch because he's the one that brought me into being a circle. That's a good club to be in. Yeah I've always wanted to be there. I met him and we became friends. And he said you want to come backstage. And there was a little letterman in the tokens. And the next thing you knew I was in the club. It's kind of a fun thing because in a minute we're going to talk about another upcoming legal procedure that you're involved in. It's not as fun as that one but it's going to be important. We'll save that for a minute. That's the Waterville case. But I didn't want to talk to you about your involvement over the years in the senior games. That's kind of an interesting thing. Yeah another dream come true when I was in high school. I ran track and I was captain of my track and cross country team. And then went to Bowden and ran track and I had a mediocre career there. And then ran distances and then in 2001 I switched to the sprint. So I got a trainer and I started running a hundred and two hundred and a four hundred. The fast races. I liked those a lot. I always wanted to do that anyway. And I ended up winning a lot of state titles in here and New Hampshire and some national titles. And I got a silver world medal and the Huntsman World Games and the Huntsman World Senior Games. I got a silver medal in the 200. And I just started enjoying it very much. In 2015 I was in the first class of inductees of the main senior games Hall of Fame which was an unbelievable dream come true. I always wondered in high school I wasn't that great in high school. I was okay but not great. And I was wondering what I would really like to be considered good enough to be in a Hall of Fame. So I'm still very much involved in the senior games. I'll be sponsoring the track meet that's going to be held at St. Joe's. So I've been either the state champion or a medalist for the last 21 years but I've been beaten by some very, very good men. In the last race I ran I got a gold or silver or bronze and the guys who beat me one had just had a hot operation like I don't know four months before. Another one had spine surgery. Another one had survived cancer.  They beat you, right? Exactly. And that's crazy. That's how good they were. How bad I was. But I'll tell you that's a story unto itself I thought. So I wanted to also just talk about it's a little more serious of a case, the case that you guys are working on about the missing child in Waterville. Yes, about 11 years ago, a little more than 10 years ago a little girl was missing out of her home in Waterville. There was a national news for many weeks. The Attorney General investigated that case. They had forensic people from all over the United States come here, like the best of the best. They could not find the body of the child. There was a ledge that she was kidnapped but the police investigated that aspect. And the bottom line is that our firm has brought suit in that case against individuals that we think are responsible. And I don't do much of the discussion about it. My partner Bill Childs is in charge of the case. Right, right. But there's a wrongful death action and other actions involving other people that we believe evidence points to the fact that people knew what happened to that child and that they failed to provide the right evidence. And so that's going to be a civil trial, not a criminal trial. Right, a civil trial. This is not, there will be no guilty verdict or any of that nature will be, did these people have any involvement in what happened to that child? Our client is the mother of the child and she's lost a child who would be like 12 years old or something I think around now. This case has been going on for a long time. But the one thing that you'll never hear or shouldn't hear anybody do when they're talking to the press is to posture and say, oh well, some people do that. But it would be inappropriate for me to discuss where this is going to go and what's going to happen. State isn't very much in the sort of, not the beginning stages of the process, but it's in, and there's a lot of work involved. Thank you for asking about it. Yeah, I think a lot of people find it to be very interesting. Well, it's going to be national news. That we know. We're already aware that this case is going to be national news no matter what happens here. It's the way it is, because it was then. And people are always, always, always, always concerned about missing children that are unaccounted for. It's a very strong thing that people in, not just Maine, but throughout the country, are very concerned what happened to that child.  Did a what happen to that child? And so, yeah. Having some kind of a closure is the most important thing. I have to say, how many times have you heard that word? But I didn't want to throw out a cliche. Right, right. And again, I'm only a spokesperson for my firm in general. I'm not a spokesperson for my partner. I was in charge of this case. Believe me, he knows what he's doing. And I hope to take part in the case and continue to take part. But I'll tell you, it's, you know, this is not a walk in the park. This is not, you know, we're not out here just to have a good time here. This is a serious business. And speaking of closure and closing the book, let's close this interview by talking about your books. You've written a few books and I... Yes. Well, my first book was a law book about personal injury cases, and it's called Maximizing Diameters in Personal Injury Cases. It's basically how to handle an ordinary case that you have. It's not catastrophic. They're different when they're catastrophic. But this is the ordinary case. The cases you hear about and people get some injuries, but they recover. And I wrote that book in 1991, and then they wanted 26 supplements. So it's a long, it's a big, it's a thick book. It started out selling for 60 bucks, and now it's like, I don't know, 500 or something. But I'm very proud of that because it has over $2 million in sales. Right. But the reason I'm proud of it, because the irony of it is, when I first wrote it, my law party says, how much money do you think this book will sell? I said, I don't know, $5,000? And well, it's ended up being $2 million. Right. And the other book is about my daughter and myself. It's called Full Circle, a father's journey with a transgender child. And that book's on Amazon, and this is about her transition from male to female. And she's now, has moved to Maine, so there's another chapter. She's now living five miles from me. Five miles from her. It's like the greatest epilogue of forever book ever to be written. Did you, when you were growing up, did you think that you would be a prolific writer like this? Oh, I swear, I hope so, but I didn't know, I wrote murder mysteries when I was at college. And Luigi, I sent them off to like every magazine, and Alfred, his cop, whatever, they all came back rejected. I now read them now, and I realize they went that good. I write better now, and I write articles with Cape Curiam, and I write articles for some magazines sometimes. Look for Derry on PMC, Channel 5. Is there any different times to find you? They're all over the place. You can find them anytime, as well as online. Check out Derry's books, Full Circle, and What Was the Law? Well, they're not going to want the personal injury. If you're a lawyer, if you happen to be a lawyer, check out the book about law, but otherwise, definitely check out Full Circle. Look for Derry. I want to thank you very much for your time, Derry. It was great talking to you. Take care, everybody. Have a good night. Thanks a lot.