Yeah, no, I said we know we is very different I have a terrible story to tell your story. I haven't played any Elendring today That's uncharacteristic of you. Yeah, I see this is metal fourth thing Preparation and no one's doing it for me except me. So what? Yeah, it's weird, right? Like the last couple of times the infos were just there. It's like boom. There's all the notes for the movie So, oh, you're watching what are you who's afraid of Virginia Wolf, right? That's what you're watching. Yes And and I realize that is a dense movie There's a lot of going on and I have to take a lot of notes Anyone here seen that? No, I have no Wait, so you've seen it now, right? I'm still not done. I'm like one hours and ten minutes in there's like Sorry, who's afraid of Virginia Wolf? Yes, that's the one who's that? No, that's no the movie will just tell me who's afraid of her I don't I don't know I'm betting to give you the context beforehand. I don't know these days.  Also, can I kind of get a high five for starting exactly on time? Yeah, normally yeah for someone who will not be named Yeah, Mel Hey Hey, you guys don't wait for me That's true. We don't that's true That is the truth So hello chat. How you doing? We're here today To have a discussion more than likely Likely we're not gonna discount the possibility. We never get to the topic we came here to discuss Not only that the possibility there is just literally no discussion. That just doesn't occur.  So that'll be a good timing. Do you guys like the simplicity of the title this time? Sometimes I struggle to get everything in there, but you know, I just read it and Bobding Why didn't you write Batman v Ben Shapiro feels like a missed opportunity We was There is a film called Batman v Superman, why didn't you just write the Batman v Ben Shapiro? Why did you flip it? I don't know how much that would work Still What is the greater utility from the order that you put it in the Ben Shapiro is a familiar face and it's like oh You've covered him before He's the one going after the Batman yeah It's not like the Batman has taken it's gone out to say With facts and logic Was a court case now Amica Adam. Oh, I like it's really sharp on the edges. Yeah, like the guy in James Bond. What so it's like Kung Lao surviving Racers in it. I think wait does odd job predate Kung Lao Yeah, I would would I imagine it was the 90s I think so because odd job is from 1959 1964 I never knew that And the novel and the novel is 1959 Didn't the guy who played odd job didn't he murder someone? No, I got this wrong. You was a method actor. Yeah, I may have Well, I may have gone wrong. Maybe he killed one too, but the mistake I made On the set of Suicide Squad Murdered someone. Yeah, Harold the role.  Joe son? Because it's he's Korean Son of Joe Random task was 27 years for killing a Kern county cellmate. So he was in prison before that Uh-oh. Oh golly. Oh my goodness.  He sounds like a poor guy. He's a villainous one that guy What we're gonna cancel him? Yeah, he already has been canceled Though I think we can say that legitimately this time he has canceled himself By torturing and raping and then killed So was it Ben Shapiro thinks bbs theatrical cut is good. Please don't take him seriously We don't Maybe this person doesn't know but this is not our first Ben Shapiro video Yeah, we covered Ben Shapiro's rankings of the star wars films and boy was that fun That was something else boy. What a what an e-fap that was you guys should watch it But um, yeah, I forget which number it is. We meet with him once again for his opinions on the Batman of which he's gotten in many troubles Uh, very controversial. They were like, how do you uh, Ben of house Shapiro? And I suppose we'll be finding out what it is that he got in trouble for today As well as Shapiro adding some extra comments that may have been missed about the Batman If any of you should have any if we you know that we missed an our what nine hour discussion Yeah, it was only a quick one wasn't it so you know, yeah, I'm sure something will come up. Maybe I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure Maybe the cracks I saw it again yesterday.  I'm off my game.  Yeah, I had to stop my stream of it when I was like on the cusp of finding more Oh mel I played the the godskin duo boss. It's one of my favorite bosses of the game probably Really the gods to do it. I find a lot of fun Everyone in chat was like you're gonna get so salty.  Here comes the worst part of the game, but I played it. I was like, I was fun. I like that I was still doing my mage build. So it was kind of meh So I am I'm really looking forward to my melee build and see how The whole game is going to change on me I uh, I oh, yeah, I hate the dragons in that area. Yeah, that's just annoying I don't like the dragon fights. They kind of just lame and awkward, but uh, did you Oh, so like Skyrim? Did you kill the dragon on the little platform?   Oh, it was so not worth it.  Like yeah, bro That's our rarest attack My final phase Good she she she did steal all my runes though They always half of it. Well, right? There is a girl you can hug in the game That'll take resources from you in exchange for it.  It's not really seven. It's close Five in the that's too many. It would seem we're still missing one. Oh the watch together looks different the little name things look a little different Yeah, I didn't watch together here in the air for once in a while. Everyone's in a while. Just to remind you So here he is. Yeah No, let's This is Ben Shapiro of the Ben Shapiro show. Yes. He's on air Actually, he's on a he's on a chair probably He should say on chair So was was he named Ben Shapiro as a result of someone designing the show and that name came on that and then he came on He was like, I think I should have the name Ben. I really hope that's the case. I really He reminds me of frank west. He's actually the third host of the Ben Shapiro show It's just a massive cruise and it's the finally the host matches the name of the show I'd like to think that he was reaching for a name and he just saw a sharpie at the end of his desk and just like Shapiro yes Prominent eyebrows too.  Those are powerful. Nice nice incorporation of voluminous Ben Shapiro has inspired me Wrote eyebrows to do what I don't know. I guess we'll find out Oh, someone in chat said it. Hey, it's rags moller. I know the other guys. I guess the meme was this is This is capital o opinions. Then we have fringy And then j hello then moller And then there is metal Then there is myself and then we have the meme repository So, I don't know why I don't expect you to skip me. I don't know why It's funny. No, no, no, we couldn't do that the people would ask questions Um, where we hide the body Hey All right, folks. So last night I went and I saw the batman my review of that is coming up in just one moment This video is sponsored by ring What's ring Ring It's the But I don't know Yeah, I always see the water like the ring watermark on loads of home door like security cam footage of like You know like motion sensor at the door kind of things when you're seeing like a funny video of like Porch pirate tries to steal my package and then they crash their car on the way out Then it's often got like a ring watermark They encountered some rough water All the chats are saying elden rings like mal is gone a whole day. Can we please get him to day two without you guys? I mean, I was the one yelling yelling ring just now. It's okay that you did it because you saw in the chat I know it's okay. No, I look after you. Why am I always getting discredited like this? I'll hack your computer and break your elden ring files to prevent you This this freeze frame we have I think it would be funny if that was just the the title of the movie Wow, it's He he the batman Yeah, DC Yeah It's just what an anti-climax there of like the batman the Ben Shapiro show Actually, it's me the Ben Shapiro show.  So he's doing well, all right Prepare to get excited I went and saw the batman went and saw it with my wife It is one million hours long and it's one of those movies where I saw and I was like The first thing the first thing of note is that how long it is is the most prominent thing the first thing to say about it That is a surprise. You just to know that that's the first thing I said about it No, it is it yeah, you and him are in cahoots. We are The first thing Mewfully said to me when I asked him about it. He was like well, first of all, it was long Yeah, and I was I got my eye on you both. I got one eye on you and one eye on on Mr. Shapiro, I mean I I wouldn't it was that it was millions of hours long whatever but still close like half a million. Yeah, half a million It's fine half a million half a million Okay, and then I have to wonder a little further Right now, I was like, uh, all right, and then I got to the end.  We got a little further We got to the end I like to imagine this is like a print review like on a website Which is like I got a little further in and then I don't just have to download the video now so I can post that clear fact of context That's what's happening. That's going on my second channel now. I don't know like Did you expect him to go? Oh that was circumsuper Oh god Beautiful and then the more I thought about it the angrier I became We're coming through on the promise of Bench beer of as a batman now What about my cocaine vengeance? I took up my the mantle of the Hebrew hammer I am of the shadows He's just it's just not that intimidating. He does look awfully dark. He's wearing black. He's in a black and red Environment the lights are dim. Maybe that's on purpose. I don't know if this video is 4k Sweet whoa, you can see Ben Shapiro's face Ben Shapiro the batman in 4k nice even I only do 1440p Does it oh is he doing 60 frames per second? Oh Maybe we need to know Doesn't look like it. Can we see his eyebrows change motion in 60 frames? Um, we can slow it down. It is not in 60 fps. Unfortunately, right? Fuck. Ah, Fuck.  Yay. Oh my god.  So you haven't seen the film yet? You already told us this spoilers aplenty His um his editor is pretty good. Like yeah minimal, but gets the point across I like it I wish everyone's editing was at least up to as good as Ben Shapiro's because I'm liking this so far Yeah, I wonder if Batman will be able to compare, you know, um, you know, he's just he's just talking to camera but um, it's like The the the edits here are because you know loads of people do these edits where they like make their face go like red When they say something like that, right? But this is the same kind of style But it's taken above and beyond in like a really professional way I want to hire whoever does his editing. Oh, wow. It it does seem it's not shall we say indulgent No Of the if you say well, then again, Ben Shapiro is paying up and so, you know, you don't want to go overboard And you want to see the film you don't want to be spoiled. I'm warning you. You've been warned All right, this is detective Batman So if the original Michael Keaton Batman was sort of crime fighting Batman and the Christopher Nolan Batman point What what I mean, I guess we're getting to the I guess we're getting to the point He hasn't made a judgment on it yet I just I was curious if that's normal to people that they refer to the Timberton Batman as a crime fighting Batman as compared to a detective, but I guess he's not as Sure, I suppose to the other non crime fighting Batman's I suppose Because I think the I think that Batman Yeah, I think they all like crime It's how much of a detective they are crime fighting Batman Because there's that there's that big sliding scale between I guess I don't know who's on who's the most detectivey Detective ever who never does it monk, right? There's a monk is on one side of the of the sliding scale and the other's end of the sliding scale is Faust what What if you lost me Or Well, I don't I didn't mean punisher, but punisher works excellently as well People are probably more familiar with punisher But yeah, like and then there's everywhere in the middle. Where does the you know the fighting and the you know By the way, I want to see a punisher monk crossover where they team up And every time he rips off someone's face monk is like, oh punish You know Okay, let me ask you this if we did have a monk punisher crossover Do you think that it would be In what if you had monk say the line? It's a jungle out there. Would you approve of that or? Absolutely Absolutely approve because I would I think I would approve of that. I think it's a really good nod For those of you who are who don't know the the intro song for monk It's sung by the toy story guy and he says Very yeah, we breathe it and So what the lines is it's a jungle out there which might be the name of the song, but I think that would be I wonder if I think I remember. I think tony shalub should play monk and the punisher. That's what I think great name Tony shalub Is that how you say it? I think that's how you say it Because like the word shalub sounds like a combination of the word lube with the effects of lube He was born six years before odd job in that novel Okay That's great. I'm glad for him I hope they call it the munisher if they do that crossover the monkisher a muncher or the punk Ooh, that would work panamon Anyway, um, yeah, don't the don't the batman video games lean heavily on the detective element Oh You'll like go through crime scenes and then pull up like a little holographic mode Try to base it together I remember them being pretty good actually Pretty fun. Yeah, I never played. Um, I never played them. Uh, all I remember is when arkham night Reliefed and it was a huge waterfall because it was just they just you have to the didn't work Yeah, they had to pull it from steam. That's how broken it was for the majority of people And the burner was still broken Mine worked for some reason. I don't know why This is detective Wait, is it do you say your watch killer's not working? Wow, his no, no, no, I said the the the dark night video game thingy worked for me when it came out No problem. That's beautiful batman So if the original michael keaton batman was sort of crime fighting batman and the christopher willan batman was city saving batman City saving City I guess he we talk more on he focuses on like large scale Calamity prevention.  Yeah, um, what I'm I'm trying to be like this is what he's saying Because I how could I forget what happens in the but that's why I said he's wrong because there's other This is gartham city at all of them. They're always climatically huge events to be honest with you Like except maybe the dark knight, which is one of the ones he's citing is city saving Yeah, because in the dark night, it's not like the whole city's fate Like, you know, like it's kind of is but it's not like the whole city's going to explode or anything And then batman and robin isn't if the whole world is going to enter into an ice age So that's the biggest like stakes of them all He said michael keaton batman. He's not including the True, but to to refer to the Nolan one as the city saving one is weird Yeah, because he should say and then um, what's the actor who plays him, uh Not christian bale the the the the the Tony shalini, yeah, george kaluni batman. He's a plant. He's more of a planet saver Right. He saves the planet from global climate. Yeah, which you think ben Shapiro would like That's actually applicable too because in batman forever I'm sure riddler's plans are going to go further than just gartham city and probably to the whole world So in a way save the world in both of them. I'm sure nice well It's a world saving batman is shoe marker So this is the thing it's sort of weird categorization like crime fighter detective city saver. It's like city saver. Okay This batman is supposed to be detective batman and this has a long history in the batman comics Some of the best batman comics particularly my favorite the long halloween is rooted in the idea Long halloween. What do we think because I don't have any context Do we have anybody in here who's read the long halloween? Fringy I I haven't that's one I need to read. It's on the list. It's on the list I read it. All right chat. Oh tell us about it I I just read it this week Honestly, it's uh, you know, it's kind of funny about it is that It's um, is you know how in the movies, especially the nullan movies He does like the disappearing thing everyone goes what it's kind of a meme at this point Uh, it that meme is especially strong in the comics one thing I found funny about it in the long halloween is that he'll be talking to someone and then in the next panel He's disappeared, but they never show any of the other characters. He's talking to turn around So it's like he actually vanishes like vaporizes and thin air. Oh, okay Because I feel like having them react to him just being gone is one of the it's an important element to his disappearance So I've only watched this as an animated visionless as well. I'm assuming that may well be at this point. Yeah The long halloween is a very recent one.  You got joker Two-face Christmas.  Oh man, you haven't read moon gun man It's one of the most famous batman villains. I see a man. I see a gun. I see a moon moon gun man Why didn't she why isn't it man gun moon? Man gun moon because that because first off man gun moon is a character from star wars. He was a jedi warrior Yeah, so that name is already been taken about man moon gun man moon gun. That's a chinese director. Yes They do what a disrespect to korea. They want him to have that name alone What about moon face We could try moon face. I don't know if he maybe he has a moon face I guess we'll get close to him. We'll find out And like his face changes with the phases of the moon. Whoa Yeah, like his power level maybe could be influenced by the moon or whenever he's in a city. Maybe the tides rise Oh, we've done it. We've got a comic the long move. Very cool.  Thanks, ben Batman not just as cape crusader, but as a a great detective smarter than everybody else capable of picking up on clues Investigating and tracking down crimes Okay, I mean all right. Yeah, I he's definitely he never said if it was good or bad, which is interesting It's more like he's just describing that it's fine so far I just would like to ask him why he categorized the batmans the way he did And I want to know where uh, george colliney batman is Because I have no idea what to do with them, ben. Where's the clue? I don't With venture bureau, you don't know if he would think that they're the best batman movies or the worst You have no clue, but that would be the fun part It would I'm gonna start with what's right with the film because it's gonna be real short. So what's right with the film is It's gonna be real short. Oh, man. Oh boy Great. It is a film the war ish take On gotham city it almost feels kind of like retro taxi driver gotham city. So everything is very dirty It's all taking place at night It's shot in kind of gray scale at times You know when you said it all takes place at night, you probably shouldn't have showed all the shots of it taking place in day That was probably a mistake. Yeah Also, like shot in gray scale feels like it's more like it's it's just I think that would be It's not shot in gray scale. It's it's the anti justice league. I can see colors Oh, yeah, I see colors right now. Yeah, we're looking at colors.  So rude it's got a lot of It was that send him to the pit as punishment. Oh, I know that's okay from fallout It's kind of like retro taxi driver gotham city. So everything is very dirty. It's all taking place at night It's shot in kind of gray scale at times. It's got a lot of I love that. I love that. He just doesn't know what those words mean and he couldn't be bothered to check Is clearly what's going on there? He was unsure of saying that's like it's shot in the kind of gray scale At times I yeah, I guess maybe if you're not it may be for more of a movie normie Which i'm sure he would not be, you know happy with me calling him that but I I can see how people would call it that without knowing like what it is like people who call like People who don't know what frames per second is when they see two things that are different frames per second And they don't know what to call it in a way I mean the words he's looking for is muted colors Or desaturated isn't desaturated. Yeah, desaturated. Yeah Um, but not yeah, it's it's it's not it's not it's not gray scale. Like I don't know what Like it's just not Charitably there are some scenes that are rather uh, like monochromatic like especially like that hallway. See you know what I mean? There's some scenes that's definitely I agree. That's not monochromatic though. It's like chromatic colors and Well, so there are scenes that will Where like the contrast in colors gets so low that it becomes much like it's it's very But it's not it's not yeah, again. It's not like monochromatic or like or gray scale at all. It's just desaturated Yeah, I'm trying to think of scenes where I can be like was there a moment where it was basically black and gray only And it's like I don't think so There are a lot of like sharp contrasts at times where it's like black and red Like uh, when he lights the flare and leads people out, but again, that's not that's not gray scale. That's color. It's just Very being pedantic. So like I'm literally interested in what he probably meant and then what the film actually did I don't actually care that he said this that much. I'm just interested in the conversation. I apologize We even start off by saying that he he just probably didn't know what the word was for it um Or he didn't I who knows it's it's it's not exactly certain We're all interested in it as like video makers ourselves, right? I'm pretty sure that for none of this like I don't think any of us would consider this acceptable And like our actual review of a film is to just be like, I don't know the word for this I'll just say the closest words I can think of and then move on Like I think I know what he means, but that's what the discussion here is about I know what he means To be compared to taxi driver. Yes. Uh, yeah People like those comparisons, don't they? Yeah, the movie's taxi driver From oranges and reds, but against a very dark black. So it's a lot of muttered dialogue. It feels as though That Dialogue I feel like so he thinks that people are That totally felt like we we haven't we haven't quite finished his point that he was like Like as though it was a dialogue is a part of the grayscale. It's like we what? Yeah That was just a It's a bit of jumble of thoughts there In the way he pairs them together because he clearly I I don't even know what he's really saying about the color Whether he says it thinks it's good or bad. He's not he doesn't seem to be making a judgment So much as an observation part of this is part of the what I liked section So I would then he goes into the way the film looks here's what I'm saying But then he goes instantly to a lot of muttered dialogue In the good section. Yeah, but sometimes it almost Like what a weird thing to jump to after talking about whether or not it's grayscale A lot of warm oranges and reds but against a very dark black. So it's a lot of muttered dialogue. It feels as though So it's a lot of muttered dialogue. It's a weird way to There's a weird way to do that. Yeah Is mutter what he's what he's done is he's just turned on the camera and this entire review is an unscripted stream of consciousness That's completely like well. Yeah, maybe that was the editor's way of cutting it Like he went on to say something else Maybe he had a bad take or something because if you watch the clips end and then we're into him talking about dialogue I love this very dark black. So it's a lot of muttered dialogue. Oh my gosh. That's crazy. Okay, pause. It's probably right. Yeah So here's what's interesting, right? That screenshot that you just took of ben Shapiro While you screenshoted that I googled mutter just to make sure mutter is a studio album by ramstein And this is the cover.  They got that one. Oh my He's on then this was again, you know Ben Shapiro may have done some pictures for ramstein He's not as pale as ben Shapiro, but the album is it is kind of I'm just playing around. It's fine. It's fine.  Oh my god He said a racial slayer in the editor cuts it. I'm sure that's what it was I don't know why Batman would be friends with It's anyway the dialogue A very dark black. So it's a lot of muttered dialogue.  It does talk real fast though So maybe you could fix it by at the end of the statement about the color You play a small clip from the trailer really small that shows the darkness and then you cut back to him saying the dialogue Because it feels a bit more natural maybe Yeah, I think it's ironic that the editor used the word so to stitch those sentences together I get it. Thank you.  I get it I don't really get it In reds but against a very dark black. So it's a lot of muttered dialogue It feels as though it's taking place in the same city as joker is taking place. So if you saw joker tai phillips Looks like he's new york. I could see it a little bit. Maybe yeah Yeah, more than most other bad man movies. Yeah I and this is in the good section So I guess because this is in the good section. He likes it so You know, all right, I guess. Yeah, again. He's not really like He's not told us why it's good. He's just saying like these are the things that how it is Yeah, if we didn't have any context that this was in the good section. These seem to be just general observances Observations For it, but uh, yeah, uh, not very not a lot of strong statements being made but definitely some observations It feels almost like the the other half of that But it seems more like the take on what future new york would look like if you were living in new york in 1970 That's that's sort of a good way of putting it the music to the film is What really future what even see what he said new york would look like if you were living in 1970s And do we have examples of that and that's not true like what the 70s envisioned to be the future Um, um just movies and stuff Yeah, we would we would have some movies surely showing that I feel like we can just sort of I feel like a more apt description of what gotham looks like in the batman is A modern city that has managed to retain a lot of its gothic architecture and integrate it Yeah I think the way that I I I really like gotham in this film and the reason why is partly because it feels like a city that could exist But kind of doesn't Um, whereas in the dark night gotham is just new york It's like if you were to visit maybe an old new in chicago For the first time and you'd noticed all of the the particular are a colonial style architecture And it's not really that present Everywhere else to the same degree and you'd be like, oh, this is a city. That's just has it sort of a different Style to it like I'm walking down old town Washington dc or something like that like like victoria outside of dc And so the buildings have this kind of look to them and the streets just have this sort of style And everything's sort of positioned in the way that they are in in terms of you know the spacing and whatnot So you sort of know where you are, but it doesn't it doesn't freak you out. You believe it, but it's just clearly a different place Yeah Okay, the thing is um like ben hasn't really qualified what he means by like a 70s vision of the future He was just talking about how the colors are presented in the film So it's like the dialogue was marked. So it's like I I I sincerely doubt that that's what he means So yeah, you know in the 70s, they all thought in the future the colors were going to be a bit more muted I don't think that's That's what he's going for the structure of the sentences would lead one to believe that if they were reading it like kind of a robot But if you more so like that it's just unclear what he does mean because he hasn't qualified That statement with anything It's just like he said that it is a 70s vision of the future As if we're all supposed to immediately know what he means with the context of the film when I'm just like No, I'm not really sure what specific aspects of the depiction of Gotham. He's referring to with that The steel man in his favor would be that he's probably saying that it captures the vibe of like 70s new york But it's in the future But like yeah, like it's like it's still in growth like as dirty and gross as taxi drivers new york is But it's in the future now Behold We want Someone leaves me this on the discord moon face. How do I put that on screen? That is a question you must ask yourself Open link they Oh, no, that just downloads it. Oh, well, sorry guys. You don't get to see moon face. Anyway, you know, miss much Okay, I think the michael geokino tends to be a little bit derivative in how he does the scores Oh This one I've basically man. Nah, I don't agree We hear the whole comment first. He's um, I mean, I don't know He's he's he's gonna he's gonna have a trouble pushing this one against because that's just one of the Universally celebrated elements of the film, but let's see what he said the film is okay I think the michael geokino tends to be a little bit derivative in how he does the scores to the films This one He basically takes the music that han zimmer and james newton howard wrote for batman begins in the nolan trilogy Which the theme goes da da and here he just inverts it So instead of da da it's da da. Okay fine. So it's a little bit Man, if you're gonna talk about how it sounds similar, I would have gone imperial march, but okay I feel like benchco is not equipped to Let us let us remind people of this, uh, michael geokino. What's supposed to his name? Uh, Capuccino michael michael cappuccino, so for reference guys he he composed the incredible Yeah Yeah, he's done a lot Actually might be the Incredibles might be all five all time favorite soundtrack thinking about it just it might be But yeah, he did the Incredibles ratatouille up inside out coco Incredibles 2 jojo rabbit um Some stuff from lost Prepping thing the muppets wizard of oz uh, let's see da da da da Yeah, this he's he's he's an extremely talented individual and he has done. Oh, he's done video games too um He hasn't done him for a while though from what I understand. Yeah, the last one was Lego the Incredibles So I don't know how but we have that might just be a lot of it used his music rather than yeah Did anything for it? Yeah, uh, call of duty metal of honor a lot of call of duty and metal of honors here mercenaries Some yeah, of course you did all the spot a man mc spot a man films Oh, did he? Oh, yes. Wow Not saying I grew a Shapiro, but he knows music to be fair chris duckman knows film right Well, I just wanted to say that so that was clearly a lie like I I actually don't love the main Batman theme in this movie and um, I wouldn't use the word derivative because I don't think like originality is a Value I hold very highly but there is something kind of like simplistic And basic about it in a way that I don't really like I don't think it's michael Was it geochino? Is that his name? I don't think that's like this movie is his best work ever But the way ben describes it as if like, oh, he took the They took the theme from the nolan movies and inverted it Which is just not true in terms of like the music theory of what's happening there. It's that's not accurate and so We need to talk about a little bit more than just it's inverted Yeah, and it's but it's not like the way the way it's actually just played tonally Is much more to it than just the notes, right? Yeah, but it's not even it's not interesting even the same notes in inverted. It's not Interestingly uppity the musician doesn't understand music as much as the internet video editors. It's like, um, I mean, to be fair, I've played saxophone for like 15 plus years. So I was going to start there I've been a musician for like 18 years as well. I will say even with that said I Okay. Yeah, go for it. Thank you. So part one You have no idea what our background of music is literally none for any of us So why would you even like secondly video editing wouldn't know anything about music? It's like, why would you say that? What would make you say that? Well, what an absurd point to make Dude, why is it that you would appeal to an authority? You think musicians can't be wrong about music? They fight each other all the time What I was going to add in as a preface is I played saxophone for a long time I don't have a particularly great understanding of music theory. There's a difference between playing music and composing music and even then You know, like it varies. I don't know Y'all made the statement. He doesn't know music. None of us said that. I never said that. None of us said that He's not equipped to I don't think maybe I did I say that I'm going to defend you because you said that he's not equipped to make this criticism And that is actually true because what he actually said about the music isn't actually correct So and it's obvious that he doesn't actually have Maybe it's because it's like a stream of consciousness rant like we've already said, but he's not making a very specific or substantive criticism of the music so Fringy saying hey He doesn't seem equipped to make this criticism is not saying. Oh, he he must not have any experience with music at all So he doesn't seem equipped And I would agree with that. Yeah, which if you gave me this clip If that is if that is a comment that's uh, people don't like I'm happy to just walk it back to I think that just saying that it's inverted is not enough. We need to talk about Yeah, that's gonna be the Thing that surely everyone can agree on why wouldn't he as a music expert spend more time explaining to us Why the soundtrack is limited or lacking when that's one of the most praised elements of the film right now That seems like there's a lot of insight to give on that Yeah, I thought it was pretty good. I like the music quite a bit I thought it was a good part of the film that it's definitely worth praising um and Yeah, I feel like we need more than that Yeah, because um when I was watching the film like the main thing I was thinking whenever the Batman thing came on Is um, oh, this kind of sounds like Vader's theme. It kind of sounds like Imperial March If I were gonna make like a comparison that would be the one I would go for I wouldn't go for the dark night It doesn't sound anything like the dark night soundtrack And I've watched those films pretty recently like these are pretty distinct sounds from each other And yeah, so no one's saying he can't talk about music or that they're denying his history with music what he said though Ain't ain't ain't matching up with what we understand to be the reality of the movie which we do here all the time Even if it's music Let me know how long I need to play an instrument.  Okay, that's you could do the same thing. Yeah We did this with martin scorsese and You know the mcu not being cinema will it the a bad opinion can come from anyone Yeah, they're kind of beautiful in that way Sort of anyone can be cringe. It's the great equalizer Opinion can come from anyone even even Ben Shapiro Bullshit I really enjoy the idea though. Oh that sentence was going to end in women Da da and here he just inverts it instead of da da. It's da da. Okay. Wow Like I said, it's gonna use way more elaboration of this True. Yeah To know why you're gonna have to give me more than that But the score is totally fine. The acting is so yeah, because you're listing. It's totally fine if it's Listing good things. We've already made it into the Oh, yeah, all right That was a very sweeping statement about michael geochino's capabilities as a composer and the only argument we got is It was That was in the good section. That was a good section. That's what i'm saying. We've moved into neutral now already Totally fine. We're in the neutral section now. We've done good Come with for the bad section. I don't know. Look how long the video is because a lot of the bad section Oh boy. Oh my goodness. You're right Is okay as we'll find out in a second they give robert patinson nothing to do is batman nothing to do He likes Oh I'm going to faint So this might just be like what else can we conclude other than So there's a difference between a non-performance and a subdued performance. That's uh Deliberate in the approach to give you a sense of what the character's currently feeling and thinking doesn't know what a subdued performance is I um, I don't know what I'll say about that until we I don't think we'll get examples, right? Because he's not gonna have the clips. I'm gonna do it. Um Well, we got two notes for the soundtrack. So maybe we'll get uh, maybe you get the acting examples Uh, yeah, I gave him nothing to do. Yeah, let's see All right, I made a slight edits by the way I um, it's all it's the thing we talked about everyone. Have you uploaded yet? Is it like I have it's on my channel now It's on my second channel public venture period describes his first sexual experience The clip with a slight edit made to it Hmm, I'm gonna play it. How long is it? Oh, it's just a few seconds That seems like a very uh, all right, and then I got to the end. I was like, yeah Are you in the more I thought about the angrier? Yes The more I thought about it That's good, Jay. I like it I like it Anyway gold star Where are we? What's happening?  All right.  There you go Yeah, there we go Dodge that bullet and they give robber paterson nothing to do with batman nothing to do as batman I didn't think that zoe cravat had any sort of chemistry with robber paterson This is isn't this a section about what he likes we've already moved into Is this the neutral section? No, we're not even gonna do it now. Now or is this clear cut from the intro to the Bat a good section and I was like, no, I'm just gonna go on Nothing that he said in the good section was actually praise Not really. It was more of no observation and then the music was fine Fine, but worthy of criticism We fell off the cliff of the good section and hit our head on the neutral section on the way Down to the bad section. He did title card come on But but remember we got a little card for the good, right? Have we gotten one for the the neutral and bad yet? I'm assuming we're not gonna get one for the neutral He's gonna go to the bad, but he's included the bad in the good So it's like what's happening bad man the editor. I don't know he pays by the edit The editor was probably like dude, you know, this doesn't uh, it's fine. I'll it's fine. No, it'll do it's fine Would Ben Shapiro be stingy with no probably not. Let's carry on Nothing to do is Batman nothing to do is Batman. I didn't think that Zoe Kravitz had any sort of chemistry with Robert Patterson Oh, are we moving on? She's fine. She's kind of flirty me. I didn't see anything wrong with her performance I just didn't see a lot right with her performance. You have jump I liked her and her relationship with Batman. I thought they got along pretty neatly. I wouldn't mind seeing more of them I wish I had examples to the contrary that he maybe brings up Other than I get he just sort of says it doesn't work and I think that their two characters can Because they can go and I think if we had another movie with these two characters I could see them either becoming direct foils to each other Or starting to cooperate a lot more. I could kind of see it go in both ways Where you have, you know, Batman doing his thing and she's like the more Willing to break the rules the more even more morally gray than Batman if that's that phrase makes sense, but um Right, I think it could be interesting, but I guess we're not going to get much commentary on that When it's a huge part of the movie is these two and how they interact Um, I guess he's just talking about acting chemistry. Maybe he's going to talk about writing more later, including their relationship Are yeah, I guess I didn't even consider if he was talking about the acting or the the actors of the characters I have the sneaking suspicion. He's not really going to elaborate on anything at all I have a feeling these topics. I'm going to come back to you. We're going to be talking about something else for a lot of it I didn't see anything particularly wrong with her performance. I just didn't see a lot right with her performance You have John Turturro showing up as Carmine Falcone and he is John Turturro. So he's okay. He's somewhat menacing The best performance in the film false He is so good in that movie false. Yeah, I thought he was great Incorrect He was a great back on you A pox on you fun as well because like I've seen him in so many more comedy roles The seeing him here. I was a little like and then I was like, oh, actually, okay He's taking this very seriously. He's actually like comes across as mr. Boss man exactly Colin Farrell playing the penguin you literally cannot spot Colin Farrell in this makeup There is no way you can see Colin Farrell here the whole movie We went from the actor was okay. We went from the chemistry was Fine to could be to not very good to the actor was fine To you cannot tell who the actor is in the makeup this crazy He just really doesn't like looking at Colin Farrell. So he was very happy that he couldn't see him Uh-huh. I'm staring at him going. That's not how it is Colin Farrell It's the best performance in the movie. Paul Dano gives a good performance in the film Although he's sort of playing the Joker a little bit. All he's playing it more wide-eyed as as Paul Dano is um I guess Yeah, I could see someone saying it but I would like you to qualify it with I Would like to know why you say that Yeah Yeah, because the Joker could be a lot of different things depending on the performance. So I think that's a very broad Description of of someone's performance because you know, you could have a more subdued Joker and have that still work So I'm not I'm not entirely sure or like how how he would qualify it being a little too jokery I think what we needed was we needed riddler to have a tattoo on his forehead No, that said what gets wetter as it dries Just so that we really understood the character That would be really funny um how I I would imagine that uh That it's possible for people that because the other people say no, it's like I I can understand why someone would say it. I disagree with it. Yeah I I would like to hear it's kind of like the like it's it kind of like everything he says I would like to know why you think that not just that you think it Yeah, correct. Um, I agree. Also, there's something I didn't say when we first went over the film But um, it's kind of crazy that they showed in the trailer him getting captured when that doesn't happen for a decent chunk of movie Yeah It's weird because when I was watching the movie I totally forgot that he just gets captured in the cafe and then the scene started and I'm like, oh, yeah Yeah, I am I thought about it for a couple scenes because I was like I was trying to figure out how this would all come together with him getting captured I was trying to figure out why he wanted to be captured before he it happened Um, and I was just really surprised like fuck. We're finally here. Yeah. Damn. They put that in the trailer And I think that's the opening of one of the trailers, right him being captured. Yeah Interesting choice Yeah, especially to like like substantial things in the trailer that come You know well until like the third act of the movie kind of an interesting choice In terms of giving away what happens. Yeah The film is the riddler and herein lies the main problem. Wait, do you see the main character in the film as a riddler? If we needed to have the riddler we we never got a scene where the riddler says i'm a conundrum No Oh, no, he's just totally wrong like the pov character is batman for like the vast majority of the film might even be like 100% of the scenes if you think Like if we actually thought about it He's a hard pov character Not batman It is it is hyper pov. Yeah once again Maybe it could be explained if he was to elaborate and say by made I mean person who Evils reacting to is is the one that's making things happen or something but then again batman was still count in the The whole theme of the film is that it's about his effect on gartham and how what he has inspired And then clues the riddler Range uh thing to say, but okay Yes, it's just isn't just the intro scene Is that actually the only scene where we don't see Because like i'm pretty sure that like 100% of the scenes are batman's pov At least 90 90 percent. Yeah There are some with uh, yeah with selena like when the city was flooding there were parts with selena that don't have bruised Yeah, when she goes to uh at the end when she goes to confront, uh, you're right. Yeah when she's getting a gun ready, right? That's right. Yeah More wide-eyed is he's like majority of the film. Yeah, you're definitely right on that And there's one where when uh, the uh, alfred's opening up the package Maybe one could argue that that is bruce imagining what that event would be but um, I wouldn't want to go that far We don't need to Yeah That is basically bruce's pov of the situation right there Well, it's not that's something that bruce understands to have happened. I guess that's what i'm saying You could have it. Yeah. Yeah contextualizes what he is thinking about But I mean, I don't think that's what we're supposed to think at that point like it really happened Yeah Arkham asylum scene at the end that's definitely no bruce was in there in the little corner doing a peek Stop talking You guys stop talking Character of the film is the riddler and herein lies the main problem Okay, the biggest problem. We shouldn't say the bad now Where is the bad?  Okay. Oh, I really don't agree Anti batman bigotry Oh, wow. I don't know what he means Maybe it's coming up now on the ground apparently God intended them to be you never know when this is gonna happen But apparently we've got people who are surprised. We're pausing so much Oh, hi, welcome.  Don't worry Not because we just hate Shapiro and want to rip into it. We're just doing it the way we always do it Yeah, we believe in everybody our show is called every frame a pause.  Yeah, just uh, yeah, give us a holler I genuinely feel like our hyper pausing has actually helped us discover the editing Errors there earlier in the video where I think if you're watching it straight, you may have missed it Because we heard it so many times I think my mr. Sitch has the best opinion on the pausing. Oh, yes. What is that?   Um, all right. Here we go. This film hates batman If you heard that in isolation, um, I'm sure I'd imagine all of us would disagree with it Um, but hey, well, we like we did it in isolation Well, that's the thing. I uh, it's time to hear the reasoning. I suppose here we go I'm gonna have my mind changed. Mm-hmm Well batman character hates the batman character and this drives me up an absolute wall The biggest problem with the film is not the wokeness.  It's not even the woke stuff. I'm talking about batman He wants to make sure everyone understands this ain't about woke stuff. Okay. I'd be very specific Okay, then one line or the race of some of the characters. No, this is about the film You know, we're talking about the film today. Yeah, what he's gonna make sure that I think he's on a lot of level of crying trying to be like, I need you to hear me out because it's not about those things It's about batman You think he's really trying to appeal to like other Demographics besides the one no, I'm saying like He he's very passionate about this. I think to the point where he's like my own fans You must listen.  This is about batman He's separating himself from his politics when he says this Which I don't know if he thinks that gives him more credibility if it does that would be interesting But uh, just I guess it's for clarification's sake He's saying this is not a politically motivated opinion As a political commentator. This is not a politically motivated opinion. This is a film opinion This is a nude opinion. Really? Like and that's fine. That's true No, it's not. I've never seen someone wear that hat who isn't a nerd Uh Jacob kane He's kind of nerdish.  Is that a nude thing to do? He's not even playing elden ring Wait to be fair a lot of nerds sit in their office all day and drink these days, especially The problem with the film is not the wokeness. Yes, there's some woke touches You have cat woman who is a woman of color who is of course good The Ah the thing about that though is she was she was black in the Halle Berry water. She was uh If the kit always gets referenced, right? She was the one in the tv show without him west I think or at least one of the potential cat women And you could tell there was some Yeah, he he said in a non He started with the in a non-woke way and then went to that but theoretically this means that if Halle Berry wore white face Ben Shapiro wouldn't have this problem with this movie, right? Or would he He'd have an extra problem Yeah, I lack References for whether or not is a woman cat woman has ever been black in the comics or whether Commissioner Gordon has ever been black in the comics. I assume no for both of them. I don't know I probably know. Yeah, and let's there might be like a parallel universe where like, um, you know There's race swaps going on but uh as far as mainstream guys are usually white It's where I saw someone post a comic panel where cat woman was black, but I guess I don't know the context so I I yeah, it could also be like a super new comic, which is hard to count sometimes because obviously I mean the people the people working within this framework don't count that right, you know, that's and that's the um, I guess the The the the playing field that they're on as Selena kyle like there could be another one like another cat woman that is black But like Selena kyle. It's normally white. So what I'm saying Interesting mola didn't speak up to ryan kennel on friday night tights, but he's very vocal about someone when they can't talk back So I didn't talk to ryan about his video at all. Um What he got in trouble for from what I remember or of what I've been told I haven't like seen the whole video Is that he said too many white people were bad guys except the main character and alfred And all the black people were good guys and he just didn't he felt that was motivated politically um I'm trying to think of like splitting that into How you split that into like a categorized like a reality is like is that true? It's like can you guys think of Any of the white people who are good people? That's not his comment specifically was was on his comment specifically.   Yes It would well That's what I that's what I've heard as well that the clip is some fantastic on its own But again, I just it would be a surprise to me if uh, if you bet something like that dramatically Inappropriate you could call it but um The thing is about like people complaining about the accuracy of races from comics to screen I think that's fine. If you want to if that's a position you take and you apply it consistently For example, like you would be as mad about a white blade and I'm pretty sure they would be And uh, that's fine with me, but um, it's not something that I get bothered by that much at all really That'd be a good, uh, like um, like if I became a ninja The white blade that would be kind of White samurai Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, we could go on adventures together Is battling over whether or not what Jay just said is wrong. They're all at each other's throats. Look what you did Jay Let's uh, I could go and re-listen to the clip to get the exact quote. I guess Let we're all I we're all giving Ryan the benefit. I'm pretty sure I gave him the exact quote I don't believe he's racist at all. He may have said it and I mean ben could have phrased that better You know, like yeah, there's an understanding. I mean, I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt I'm giving him the I don't know him and I don't really care to look into it of the doubt Um, but yeah, I'm not I'm not declaring him to have meant a particular thing Uh, as far as a cat woman is concerned, uh, we seem to have She seems to be a multi multi ethnic character. We see many even animated wise. I'm looking at pictures of her There are there whites and browns everywhere.  So I don't think it's a big issue at all Um, well, uh, most people know that our position on adaptation. So like it doesn't surprise me that this this would be Something that wouldn't bother us at all. I don't think anybody's brought it up that She's not white for like our analysis sort of thing. I'm much more concerned with how she's characterized And uh, I like her uh in the batman. I still prefer michelle fife as catwoman. I actually rewatched some clips of his She's white Because she's white of the I really Oh my goodness, I wouldn't mind.  It's uh, oh, yeah I've rewatched it recently. It's an interesting one Very interesting Well while we're on the topic, uh, to tony swan who says in chat No catwoman is white end of stroy Commas are very important You see if because no catwoman is white is different than no catwoman is white end of story Right two completely different things commas are very important So Indeed it takes three seconds and it could save your life Where are your seatbelts? It saved penguin in this movie so it could save you too He's a big boy Right Where are your seatbelts? Give a hoot and strap a boot. You know in case anybody's curious, uh, we think it's hyper cringe So she said the comment about the the bad guys being white. Um, that was yeah That took us out of the movie. That was out of nowhere.  Oh, no It is he says that, um Jim gordon is black catwoman is not white and then the mayor is a black woman It's very on the nose for current hollywood.  So that's a problem Whereas if you want to ever make a point about, um, demographics in hollywood It doesn't serve you looking at individual films.  Well, he he almost certainly would but then to every time a film comes out that has like, you know, whatever race of whatever characters or whatever Genders or whatever, right to just be like this character has you know This character is this race bad because it conforms to the trend That's the issue because no a few Let's let's just for the moment accept this framework that's happening in hollywood that it's all politically motivated Black people everywhere. Um Right, let's let's accept that fully. Let's let's let's say that's uncontroversial right now um Then even then um, what you've got is you can't then set up a sense where every time someone of that demographic appears in a film That you declare that that isn't something you like or even, you know multiple people um in in one film, um Because ultimately that is simply, you know, that's just them being them existing. Um It's it's the trend you don't like and not the individual instances Because I suppose I suppose to make the point clear in a vacuum Uh, I uh, I don't think that he would complain about this If this was like the first ever film um To to to race what characters I don't think he would complain about it. Certainly not in the same way Well, yeah, so from what I am aware of that They would chill with a lot of the examples that you could bring up from like earlier decades because of the fact that There wasn't a push for it. Um They see a push and then they'll use these examples to prove that point. I would imagine Yeah I think it's only ever Failed it to bring up the examples as part of a wider point rather than just making the point individually about every film It does it All right, yeah, let's talk about the movie The actual batman character hates the batman character and this drives me up an absolute wall The biggest problem with the film is not the wokeness.  I mean Well, I feel like this has to be like a pretty clear example of when you're Communicating something and you think that everybody is like knows exactly what you mean. They're already They're in your circles. They're on your side I guess and like that they know exactly like what you're trying to say But of course plenty of people don't right so like if you look at this Could is it possible that he doesn't care about people who don't know what he's trying to say and he's just trying to preach to acquire her Like he's not trying to reach an audience maybe but i'm not sure maybe but i mean like it just it it looks bad He's just so maybe he's just so used to that. He doesn't even think about its presentation I don't know. I guess it's just like if you're gonna talk about it you might want to like Put in all your additional like because otherwise this is like because we do this with that woman when we see a white male That's introduced. We're like instantly. He's gonna die or be a villain and it's just it always happens Yeah White character is apparently bad like all of them fine. Whatever. I don't really care about that. That's fine. Oh, hey, there you go Well I think they wanted him to acknowledge it But I I think what this is he cares so much more about the issue he takes with the film which is that it's angry at batman Yeah, yeah, okay, but let's see his justification Yeah, i'm curious You have catwoman say stuff about white privileged elites and and she makes a suggestion that bruce wane is a child when His parents were killed. He doesn't really have a right to be super upset about that because of course He was very very rich that that doesn't kind of rings hollow You know a lot of these lines seem like throwaways for for it remind me of that one again I'm yeah, is that what she said? I I don't recall her saying he doesn't have a right to be upset his parents I remember that there was a line I don't think he's talking about that one. I think it's a part where um She makes the observation that he must be rich like he must be because of the way that he his perspective I say Yeah, but I don't believe that that is because I mean she doesn't know Oh man that echo, um, she doesn't know that bruce isn't she don't know that batman's bruce So I'm not sure what he means here I don't either He's referring to Didn't she say that that uh, he's not like I don't know a real Or from like they are because he was looking down on the city from his apartment and not wasn't that riddler that said that though Was it riddler Am I mixing those those two? That could be yeah Yeah, because she doesn't know that he's bruce wane as has been said, so I don't know how white what the link is to It has to be talking about the riddler them, right? Yeah, but she she talked about bruce wane without knowing that he's batman She was just a general talking about bruce wane, I think Yeah, I just think um the part about um bruce wane, you know not being you know hashtag not a true orphan Was um from riddler. Yeah, you might be right. I might mix those up. You're right the line.  How dare you be sad your parents are dead He has to be talking about the riddler then because like the riddler was talking He specifically said he was talking about catwoman. Well, pull it back. Let's see Yeah, I don't think she pulls a car. We have some smooth games and chat again They didn't even watch the movie i'm critiquing the critic. I watched it for a second time last night I'll have you know I was asking for clarification if she said it. I don't quite remember. I don't remember her definitely not saying it I was just wondering ask You haven't memorized every line. I'm sorry Jesus Gestion that Bruce Wayne is a child when his parents were killed He doesn't really have a right to be super upset about that because of course he was very very rich That that doesn't kind of brings hollow You know a lot of these lines seem like throwaways for for film He definitely attributed that to selena then I think he's must I think he's confusing details or maybe I could actually understand it um If he's taken the riddler line of like you you don't have the true often life because he grew up super rich And he's melded that into cat womans. Like you are you must have grown up rich to batman They're different povs though about oh totally. That's the thing. That's why it's like Trying to fit he says it says it rings hollow. Um, I don't think I disagree with him That part in particular the I always find it hyper cringe to be like if you're a rich person Then your parents die is pretty chill I don't remember that I don't think it's hollow in terms of um exploring riddler's character and beliefs True. I agree with that. I I I I believe it from the riddler as a character But I guess it wouldn't be like a valid criticism or anything.  Yeah, I'm fine with that You know in essence in essence, I mean maybe there's stuff to be taken from it in essence, um, riddler is jealous that Bruce was getting all this sympathy because his parents were dead when his situation was significantly worse and he wasn't getting any sympathy at all um, you know, there could be criticism of like people's priorities in there, I suppose but, um Of like, you know, I guess the point would be that people should have been taking more care of the even less fortunate Right, just because someone has had one horrific event doesn't mean they need all of the carrot attention Because ultimately Bruce did have a support network around him and would have been is was eventually going to you know, not Not get better from the like his parents were going to come back back to life But he was ultimately going to turn out much better than a lot of more people who needed a lot more help He didn't need any more help than he already had. I guess that's the way to put it I was just going to give a gap for anyone else to add anything, but I'm more happy to carry on Yeah, carry on But the main theme is not a throwaway. The main theme is what matters here. The film despises batman. So every That is interesting when you're working about the evens here It's interesting as well to think about, uh Despises batman. It's just like, I mean, it's uh, without having him explain yet I probably agree that it's critical of elements of batman. That's probably the furthest I'll go I guess, um, I think that's fair considering that batman Changes in a reasonable way and the film's like, yeah, that's a good thing to do I would also think it's fair to be critical of batman Um, yeah, it's fine as a critical of batman. He's a he is a vigilante. Yeah, there's you know, there's a discussion we had there What are we what are we What are we saying about the idea of arcs? If not like we're not going to have any part of the story where like the hero is flawed to some extent Well, yeah, because I guess we'll see what kind of point he wants to make but I mean Is it doesn't mean that you hate the character that like you presented as he's not His arc is incomplete and he's in a bad place and then his arc is completely changes and he's in a better place I wouldn't yeah, I wouldn't say that the first iron man movie hates iron man Well, you'd have to argue civil war hates iron man or something like that You wouldn't argue the first one hates iron man Well, I wouldn't no, I mean by the metric we're having presented because the first one isn't You you might be able to argue as critical of tony star like it hates tony stark because he you know He goes on because I'm assuming that's what your point. You were making there for me, right?   Um, I guess it would just because I don't think that a new hope Yeah, I don't I don't think that the original trilogy hates luke skywalker living as a moisture. No. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't yeah, I you'd have to really work hard to convince me that this film hates Batman at the beginning of the movie Maybe he can because I would say that right now that the film is just saying it's not It is not directing his efforts efficiently if anything because but I guess we'll find out Right because I think what the film is trying to say is it's just trying to say You know, there's a good way to be batman and there's a not so good way Wow to be batman, but I wouldn't say that's hating batman. I'd say it's just about focusing where the batman energy goes It might be worthwhile before we proceed to lay out. Well, I say we I think that yeah, I'm pretty sure meme and I have the same opinion on this the film is About how batman ought to operate it's questioning the way like what what What do you seek to achieve as batman and how should you best go about it? That's what the film is about So to some extent it is going to be critical of his motives Or the way that he operates But I don't see that as meaning that it hates batman at least Well, I mean, I certainly don't feel like the film hates batman, but I guess we'll see what his arguments are The movie would need to essentially take the stance that the world is worse off for batman instead of batman could be doing better Which I don't think this movie is saying well There is a part where bruce says that he he starts to wonder if he's actually making a positive impact And of course the riddler's existence is like a key example of oh this isn't working Yeah, I don't see that as a condemnation right this isn't working there for give up Like I would argue you know batman at all Yeah, I because I think that might be part of my my most interested and favorite part of the film is like That opening Is like I've successfully struck fear into all these and then I think the rest of film is like Was that good? Yeah, exactly. Is it working? I mean even it's like crime is up. Shit's going wrong. And then of course when you find out that the riddler was inspired by you It's like Yeah, having unforeseen circumstances like Arise as a result is gonna make us think like wait. Oh, okay. Hmm. I am vengeance like damn I don't see how that means.  He is dressed up as batman. He's in the suit people call him the batman But in terms of like becoming The batman that we broadly understand to batman to be that's a bad sentence You know, he's not there yet. He's what he's getting there. I don't see that as Dispising batman, but hey, let's see what his arguments are.  I'm gonna yeah, I need to do that again Theme is not a throwaway. The main theme is what matters here.  It's It's pretty much like That's basically it. It's a vengeance. It's answered in one word vengeance I Was gonna say I feel like the film definitely cover this Yeah, I am I can see someone saying like they didn't cover this because they assume you know and that's why we're doing year two and not year one I've like, oh the film did definitely go over it To make sure we had that it wasn't without it Um as for whether or not that is how batman does that that should be the reason that bruce becomes batman That's what the film is about. I feel like yeah, the film is looking at that. Um Yeah And I've seen clips and and exits from comics. This is definitely in there This isn't made up and and I believe high top has said this is the most accurate vision of batman. He's ever seen so I mean That is an interesting thought. Um I'm not sure that that's simple though when we're talking about a character with so much history No, of course, I that's simple at all. There's no one accurate version. Yeah, he might clarify You know height. I'll be like no accurate to this run and I'd be like, right, okay Right, your favorite or the one that you like the most. I certainly have no fucking clue I I wouldn't even know how to categorize them like well, I mean if you would have say accurate to all batman or The infinitely more way accurate to the spirit of the character Then wow all of the character can be whatever you want it to be really Yeah, I guess it's just I would say that it's kind of like a mix in certain senses It's incredibly faithful But in other ways like the fact that the bruce wane Personality has basically not existed. It's like well That's usually a thing that you see that it really plays up the billionaire playboy persona Usually is a front obviously but but that's like not here at all. So but but I mean I think that's a That's like deliberate on the part of the writers Someone asked why did I bring that up at all then so ben said That um he did like like the matt reeves doesn't even know why batman why bruce became batman So I assume he's appealing to something of a source like As opposed to because like these are all adaptations He's referring to and it's the adaptations job to reflect the reason the reason not like you can choose your own And he said like matt reeves doesn't know what it is and it's like so it's it is a reason I'm assuming it's from the comics and that's why I'm referencing high top has thought that um A lot of batman aren't good enough like like the films themselves are pretty cool I think he he says the batman 89 is like a disaster as an adaptation of batman Which by the way, I think a couple people in chat will probably agree with I know that's a relative common sentiment I wouldn't know um I don't know if batman returns is Better or worse in terms of that. I have no idea It's just I'm just saying that it's interesting that someone who's obsessed with comic accuracy quote-unquote from I top said the the batman Is the most accurate that he's seen apparently It's a disaster in a way. So disaster as an adaptation.  What I don't do that Oh, no, I'd say that both the Burton films are pretty disastrous adaptation wise Like they're really cool to look at and I think they have had a big influence, but like as far as um, like the more substantial details go they tend to get Do I say dare say almost everything wrong, but um, I don't know if I want to completely go that far I would have to like because that's like there's so much source material to go through that I don't want to commit to everything But I would say there was not a lot right adaptationally when I rewatched it recently Some people saying it kills the fuck out of a lot of people in those movies. That's true Oh, welcome to batman movies. I was gonna say it's pretty much in old batman movies. Yeah, except this one. No The trend continues the trend continues. Yeah And the writer doesn't know and this is the problem So in the Nolan films to take the contrast the question as to why batman does this is because if batman Does not actually intimidate the criminal underworld because the city is so You have failed us Oh, hey, I've been there I think that's the that's the The Nolan may way manner, right? The bat Wayne. Well, you've been there so you can tell us, right? Yeah. Uh, well, I've been there once about a year ago So, so it's oh, so you can't remember anything about it. Well, it's I'll tell you something rags. It looked vaguely like that Oh, um Was was he on the stairs like that just as he's still there. He's still there today That's incredible. That's incredible. Somebody help me please. I want to leave Ben Shapiro. It's like by manner. He can't leave Oh nice Imagine if you were haunted by the ghost of Ben Shapiro It'd be strange. You just I just like echoes of his voice coming through the wall It would be the least spooky voice to hear through the Every time you do something he'd done the proof of Um, let's roll the back bit doesn't know and the writer doesn't know. All right. This is the problem So in the Nolan films to take the contrast the question as to why batman does this is because if batman Does not actually intimidate the criminal underworld because the city is so corrupt No one else will do it and money isn't going to solve the problem And so he needs to create a theatrical kind of fear in order to dissuade the criminal underworld from participating And then as it turns out he also has to save the city itself And demonstrate his faith in the city by becoming a symbol here. You don't really know why batman is doing what he's doing Right. So I'm saying that it's very clear. I don't know why you don't know Ben Yeah, because because what's the way it's it's funny how he lays it out in the Nolan films He becomes a symbol of fear to deter criminals. It's like, yeah, so he tries he tries that in this film. It doesn't work That's the point It didn't work. It had it in fact it actually motivated some people to Which uh Thing to commit crimes like to be like him. Is that his point that you're not supposed to do it that way? But he he he said I thought that was something for the batman always What like the idea that No, like the idea that What he does inspires criminals to be like his opposite in this sense. Um, well, I guess it's it's complicated Um, it's like that vision quite in civil war that our strength invites challenge It's like I think there's a difference between that and like people being directly inspired to like be like you But they're actually the bad guys That's like, yeah, there's a difference. We know so yeah as opposed to they rise to confront you But it's only an element right that like that the the joker and I mean, it's one of the things that's often talked about with the no kill rule, right? It's like What good does it do to just keep locking them up if they're gonna break out of jail again? But then it's like well, is that batman's responsibility or is that the state's responsibility? Like what is batman's role in gotham that's often explored. This is just one Look at it Yeah, I would say this is far more nuanced than the nolan films as far as like exploring like batman's modus operandi and the consequences of that and him having to learn And mature as as a batman while the nolan films A lot of it was was just focusing on on the fear element and there was a little bit of Focusing on consequences in the dark night, but I don't think it goes anywhere near as close as what this film does Um From at least from where i'm standing having Yeah, I think in the dark night He gets the point of saying you should probably hang up the batman to stop the joker from using That as a like excuse to kill people like I'll keep killing people who don't reveal who you are Like batman at that point is being used as a Almost like a you know, like there's a there's a connection there with this film in that film But I agree that like this film this film is doing like the you know, it's pretty clear at the end Right that the the it's almost one of the biggest payoffs in a sense the the girl who grabs him and He's like shocked because he doesn't well at least it comes across a little bit like that that he's not used to this He doesn't know what it means to be like a person that is encouraging and inspiring people It's like wait, yeah, could that be part of you know, your operation and I assume that's what we're going to be exploring in the second film Well, I hope so I'm hoping we get like robin and stuff and we see Because because the idea is that he has been He has inspired people in this film But only criminals which is the exact opposite that he's wanted and he realized that needs to put more effort Into inspiring the goodness in people and not just the people who want to imitate his crazy insane tactics Fear-wise, so I think it's quite a beautiful message in his own way I think the comparison to the long halloween is actually rather Permanent here because I was so I was just reading it last night and there's a part where gordon asks Batman if he thinks that his influence over gotham invites You know crazy people to come challenge him, you know What we've just been talking about gordon asked batman if he thinks that's the case and in the long halloween batman Kind of flatly denies it Or at least that's what he says to gordon. It's not really clear What he believes but he kind of denies that he's like no, it's you know, he kind of denies responsibility for it so I think I think it's interesting That if he's talking about the long halloween is what ben that is if he's talking about the long halloween as like His definitive batman comic adaptation and in that they don't try to blame or associate um Like the the escalation by the villains on batman's presence or his His tactics himself, but in this movie they do. So I think he probably doesn't like that I think that might be where this is coming from and there's a lot of talk of what he is as a symbol in this film. It's uh It's it's not it's definitely not something that's just not present It's just that they seem to have a different idea in this film compared to nolens and uh, that's what i'm trying to figure out If ben recognizes that or if he does like if he thinks it's not there or if he thinks it is there, but it's not right It is difficult to tell I hope I hope he will clarify and I suppose We want to find out Itself and demonstrate his faith in the city by becoming a symbol here You don't really know why batman is doing what he's doing. Yeah, it's never explained. He's very wealthy He doesn't apparently do anything with his wealth. He doesn't try to give charity He doesn't I mean is that so that's addressed in the movie Exactly the movie address. You know that because it's addressed in the movie. Yes. That's how you know That's the only reference to I'm more specifically talking about Him as a character how he's addressing like like alfred's like you should be doing the stuff ben just said And then batman is like I am that's what i'm doing Like without realizing necessarily that there's more you can do with the bruce side of your personality than just batman But that's how he sees it in this film is that batman is all of my work to make things better Um, if you don't like that You know, I I can do with it because this film is tell me why it's bad. Yeah Yeah, you you need to then arrive at a criticism Well, I think what what he's what he's trying to say if i'm steel manning here is that In the nolan movies and in the comics that he likes Batman does use his money to try and help the city, but it doesn't work So he becomes the batman because nothing else seems to work, but in this one It's kind of the other way around Yeah, he doesn't give a bunch of money to charitable causes in the movie at all and um It I obviously the movie does explain why he becomes batman, but I think maybe the the most charitable thing I could say about ben's take here is that He thinks it's odd that he hasn't tried all these other means of helping the city first You know what I mean? um, yeah, I think that the movie is just trying to tell us that he's um He's like incredibly narrow-minded and this is the film that's breaking him out of that as a character that he thinks that like Batman is going to be the best tool to do this with And this is a film where he realizes holy fuck. I was very wrong about that You know, yes, it's the story of batman growing up while still Having the maturity to know that he doesn't have to give up batman entirely Just need to change what batman is and I think the implication is also because they brought it up so many times that he needs to You know bruce way to quote out for bruce wane needs to make more appearances You know, you know, it was a very big deal when he was putting the suit on He was just like oh is bruce wane actually going to make an appearance this time Which to me when you combine it with a lot of the other references earlier in the film with Him talking about how you know, his his parents company is being run into the ground because he's not giving it any attention Um, you know, it's very clear that bruce wane in the film is being considered incredibly important and A lot of the ideas that he needs to stop neglecting that side and balance it with his role as batman I I don't know if that's just not clear to him or if he's taking issue with How that's done, but I don't know for me it was pretty clear Yeah, I think the film relies on it being clear. I don't see how the film works without that understanding being conveyed to the audience Yeah Yeah, it's just like I don't know how you miss it I'm trying to remember the um in batman begins when he comes back from his big old Like pilgrimage slash adventure does he engage bruce wane stuff or batman stuff first? Um, well, I think his main goal is to engage with batman stuff First he becomes he he just makes he makes his presence known at like the stock when the company's going public At the beginning, but um He starts slipping into the bruce wane stuff gradually after he's come back And I think alfred stirs it on a little bit saying that you know, he's got a he's got a he's got to keep up appearances Otherwise people are going to be wondering Where bruce wane is spending so to clarify what I mean is Does he engage in big philanthropy? First or does he do like going his first crime fight and spree first? He definitely goes on the crime fighting spree first unless i'm missing something. Um, I think you're right. Yeah. Yeah Where's the trigger actually made a plot point. He's a bad man. He's white He's a bad white man. Who doesn't actually get bad It's a bad man because he's white Sounds like he's bad There is there's just i'm confused There's just characters being critical of him not using his money, which I think is yeah Part of the reason why the white privileged comment comes out of left field is because There's really nothing else in the film Like that. Yeah, it's out of nowhere. Yep. It's just like there he is Yeah, like I I feel like the film really doesn't care at all that like bruce is white like it's not It doesn't matter like that's not important. It's much more about like wealth and it is about I didn't even oh, yeah The impression that catwoman cared about it that much until she said it Yeah, or at least if she has any care about like Racial relations or whatever right? It's it's not explored at all like it's It's very much like power dynamic That line is something Ben was right about I think that Ben Ben says that like there are a couple of lines scattered in there to get like Lefty twitter talking. I think he was broadly right except they're also there to get like right when twitter talking as well Because the idea of lines like that is to create discourse. So the film is more talked about and uh Sells more tickets. I think that's generally the idea of that, right?  Honestly, man.  He doesn't try to give charity He doesn't I mean this actually made a plot point. He's a bad man.  He's not involved I think I'm pretty sure he's involved in doing stuff with his wealth then I think his favorite would be critical of him for that for her character.    Okay I like the idea of that relief work and be like, hey, I'm a saint.  Well, I'm I didn't get that vibe Oh, I got the vibe that he's a he's a good man who has taken a very flawed methodology to the good.  He doesn't know that yet. That's the that comes in later. Yeah Which by the way, you could argue is the film's way of saying sometimes throwing money at a problem isn't the solution You know it depends on how you want to read everything And he's not playing that as a role again This is part of the problem is that Bruce Wayne and batman are the same character So if you I keep using the nolan comparison as because it is the bold standard for all superhero movies not just batman movies I mean, I just put a cap of face on screen, but I can't We can listen to that again if you would like to j here we go I would like to bad man. He's white. He's a bad white man who doesn't who doesn't actually give charity He's not involved and he's not playing that as a role Again, this is part of the problem is that Bruce Wayne and batman are the same character So if you I keep using the nolan comparison as because it is the bold standard for all superhero movies not just batman That is a bench period take that is his Wrong nothing wrong with that People are entitled to the way. Yes. What what incredible films those are and he believes that they are the gold standard for all superhero movies That is certainly does seem to be an interesting perspective to have fair enough Ben. Yes. It is absolutely. Yeah. How about that?  Like what those coins that they're like this isn't this isn't a e-fap anymore. This is just the j hate Ben Shapiro So first off what a horrific mouthful that is. I don't even know I feel like I would I would know I I feel like I'd pick it up if I felt you were Just being mean to him as opposed to his points. I feel like I feel like One of the things that they brought up like loads of people brought up the comment Like there was loads of stuff in chat about what I made fun of his voice for not being intimidating as a Oh That's everyone man. What a mean joke that I made about Ben Shapiro.  Didn't we all do that wouldn't make for an intimidating ghost. Oh I murdered him. I thought we Ruined I didn't even know that was it does anyone disagree with that They can't possibly disagree with that they could only just be like Me shut up. That's me. Well fine. Yeah, you can you can call it me. That's okay Let's let's get this out of the way Ben Shapiro Happens to be a very popular political commentator if we found that's how we found him Right, that's how we found his incredible film opinions Yes, if we just found him out in the wild As it were we he would he would be equally fascinating with his opinions I just think there's some meme quality that comes from the fact that this is Ben Shapiro with these opinions Yeah, yeah Jay you've been you've been absolutely fine. If not if not gold standard for all reactions including superhero movies Ben Shapiro is like a human being with small dog syndrome I feel like he's just gonna edit a human being You can't make fun of his voice And I think he thinks he's much more intimidating than he actually is So when you look at Nolan's Batman Bruce Wayne is the character that Batman is playing Hey, Bruce Wayne is not real Batman is real Batman is who Bruce Wayne really is and so he has to play a fob In Batman begins he's squire really enjoy that as a clip out of context. Bruce Wayne is not real Batman Um, I by the way, I agree with him. I agree with him on that Sure carrying around ladies and his Lamborghini and he's buying hotels and he's doing all of this just to cover up for the fact that he is Batman So you get very separate Batman and Bruce Wayne get the same thing actually with Michael Keaton Batman and Bruce Wayne are two different characters here Batman and Bruce Wayne are the exact same character There are points where Bruce Wayne is walking around. He's got the same So this is the problem is being highlighted almost as a criticism which is um Yeah, I'm sure that in the next film He's gonna start doing the playboy thing or at least at some point in this story start working on a high imagine Yeah, like it'll it'll become relevant I have respect for the the movie basically trying to be like this is why he's going to start doing that As opposed to imagining someone could be like they could have had it in this movie though It's like you you could theoretically Tell this story specifically that he is obsessed with Batman Yeah, they could have made a different movie. Yes. Yes. Yeah The story they're choosing to tell here Yeah, I I really do think we'll get that very soon in the continuity of this Batman Our expression same glazed look same kind of emo Thing going on as Batman does the entire movie. And so there's no dichotomy already folks will That's the problem though. Oh, are we gone? Oh, are we done? That's the end of that point He is correct But like there's nothing substantive about that as a criticism at least not yeah, not right now You need to flesh it out a bit more. I can totally see someone saying like that is that is a necessary component of a Batman story or something like that It'd be like, um This film is how we got there.  It's like, all right That's oh, well love think you are in luck. Man.  However, many budget things go to three stories that I wouldn't want and it's like you're unlucky on that front. I suppose um You know what else? Like there are stories that we would all like to see for Batman presumably Um, we won't all get the one the exact that we want I don't know if this was the exact one any of you guys we're looking for specifically I think free is close to like some and you always wanted right kind of Uh, I why I really like it. Yeah, so it's a really cool take There's almost a lottery element sometimes to these things and it's just like yeah This was the one and some people like now is shit Well, I really agree with a lot like I wouldn't say that this story specifically is something I had in the back of my head But as far as like the underlying philosophy of this film I would say that I've been waiting for a Batman film that like presented it. Um, the the philosophy Um in this way. Um, so yeah, I was happy in that regard I think When we have the full context of the trilogy that I think they're probably going to make and you know, I could be wrong Unless I could be proven wrong eventually, but I don't think I will Um is the in the full context of the trilogy. We will have Well, however many films there are we will have something that really fully demonstrates the nature of the discrepancy between Bruce Wayne and Batman because we will have seen him Already being Batman, which is his true self, you know, this is uh, that's just unfiltered him Um, and we will see him slowly form the Bruce character that he plays for the public eye over time, which will make it It's much more unambiguous than any other portrayal that that is um That's what's gonna that it is a separate character that he's playing which one of him is the real Yeah, and the nolan trilogy had him being like he was he was bruce One quote and then he moved into developing into batman while also crafting a bruce Wayne for the public I think that's what the nolan trilogy you'd argue happens in batman begins I haven't seen that movie in long enough now that i'm kind of quoting it without knowing fully about it But like I wouldn't mind watching that again soon because I've had a lot of good things about it In terms of looking again recently and I liked it I I remember this because the batman origin story that I think I most think about when thinking about man's origin story Um, there's a lot of cool things in it. There's definitely a lot of cool things in it Mm-hmm You're starting to sound like the force awakens apologist. They'll flash it out. They'll explain it later on Um, we've already got substance. I think we have an arc and we have a story The story is already there. Uh, if the film if they never made any more we still have a story Uh, force awakens you don't have a story What he's complaining about is an aspect that he would like to see explored which this particular film hasn't done An hour point is they're probably saving that for the next film like although, you know, if they don't then his criticism I don't think it's a valid criticism Like it's not a reason that the film is bad But it is something that it's valid for him to be disappointed about by because it's something he wants and isn't getting I think that you can have all these perspectives and it's totally fine It just gets all good when you try to frame them as these are definitive criticisms of the movie for example I wanted to see Superman fight Lex Luthor not fucking Zod Screw you man of steel and that's my only criticism of the movie. You're like damn when someone says well, Luke's Luke's luther Lex Luthor will be in Probably the next one and be like, oh, so I have to wait until the next one Is that is that the excuse for this film being good? It's like no, it's just all this was about that's all There's a lot of payoffs everyone's going to be looking for right? I want to see scarecrow in this in this universe And if they go, you know Batman 2 no scarecrow and be like, oh, well, I guess I'll still I'll see what they're up to, you know It's probably likely with with all the different things that They can do a lot of people were saying like they'd like to see a mr. Freeze and I'm like I don't even know how they would approach mr. Freeze in this universe I feel like everything's on the table as an option lift Arnie's Mr. Freeze completely don't change him at all and just put him into this universe I would like that hockey themed thugs and everything. Oh, I love the hockey theme Dude I was going I need is uh, I think I was looking for bat bat cliffs to do with batman robin I kind of remember why but um I just as I do with batman robin.  Freeze say yes destroy everything What was this part of all right, I mean we'll do it. We just I mean What do you mean destroy everything What I think they legitimately might have thought that they were going to play hockey against other hockey teams I think so and only discovered late that this was a supervillain with ice powers In a mole car who just wants to turn the world into an ice cube Well, like the whole place is iced up to be iced the floor to make sure it's suitable for skating on you know He he supports his thugs when I mean he must do he goes in he's like let me go in first guys I'll get it all ready for you.   Freeze He just wants another chance and he begged Matt Reeves and he got the chance It's like this really contemplative character He ends up like it. It would be cool to see you know it would be cool to see Isn't the uh, isn't the meme with that marketing thing that Gotham loves to come back The on the on that website that they said oh, so that's what I've seen man. I wonder Everybody likes to come back. Maybe it's more likely that I thought Um, although I saw something funny You do know that technically in the Nolan universe the scarecrow is still out there scott free never caught never punished I Don't need this part The bonnisher. He was never bonnished It was punished with a taser. Um, someone said maybe do efab movies for batman and rovid We already Wow, you're gonna be a happy man pop it in the youtube search. You may get something maybe there might be oh my goodness You will not be punished today. No Well, I may not love the batman, but here's the thing real batman knows how to protect himself and protect his Oh, right What's this music by the way? It's ad music. It's chill Ooh, what's the segue gonna be? Well, we just got the segue will batman know how to protect himself Batman invests in ring security systems. Oh, yes, he probably does they're that good And you should too because you need ring alarm. It's true Actual chills Like it's sexy the vipy's going for it. I think so Chat said ben wants to be batman. I I you might be correct. I think every halloween. I bet ben dress If he's like allowed to do that and it is weird religion or whatever He would absolutely dress up as batman. I think so He'd call himself ben man ben man Chat asked if I'm scared now and the answer was yes I'm terrified anything that I've said about ben that could be construed as less than flattering I'm sorry and I take it all back ben I've got a tinkle, but I'll be right back.  Yeah, what's that? The movie that the old movie the tingler is that where the villain lies on your arm so that goes old tingly from You It feels like someone else is doing it. Yeah, it's not actually that Um, it's an old movie Yeah, the tingler. It's got Vincent price It's like it's what what the years is like 1960 something like 59 it is That would be an interesting It's one of those old horror movies that might be interesting for an efat movies watch Don't look up anything about it though. The whole thing is pretty well daily I got the mover movie poster here though That counts as looking something up about it metal Oh, you've looked up stuff now man. Oh, that's just when you see a poster like that you're like, oh, it's of that time Yeah, yeah, it's an it's an old that time because back when horror was kind of like shit usually Some sometimes or the way that they would try and present it was very interesting That might be a good efat movies We might have like like a classic movies efap arc where we watch some You know some silly movies like this and maybe the old blob and stuff like that that could be interesting I mean usually aside from the tingler, which is excellent and a massive What we'll have to do is we're gonna have to avoid We have to be careful with our selections because a lot of these old horror movies are military men in suits in an office And 50 percent of the movie is world war two b-roll and it's shit So we have to be really careful which ones we actually pick I make an alarm ring alarm is an award. I'm mr snow Oh, that's why emperor. Yeah, emperor grand patine knows so in the tingler for those who didn't know the Um, but the guy they had a theater gimmick Where this will make sense when you see the movie where some of the seats in the theater They had like a tiny little electric buzz on them so that Randomly some of the seats would give you that little buzz during certain scenes in the movie Which tied into stuff that was happening in the movie and what the tingler was about like shrek 4d I'm not familiar with shrek 4d. You'll have to catch me up I'm not sure if that's the correct title of the film But you know one of them then shrek rides that's like a cinema But it also like squirts you with water when a character sneezes or whatever Oh I didn't want it. Yeah, I went on one of those rides. It wasn't shrek. It was in bush gardens It was called dark castle Metal should like that and it was It was a 3d ride and it would do stuff like that where you'd get some water sprays and things and it was legitimately very impressive Because you'd have the you'd have your 3d goggles on and the chairs would move So it would simulate like falling and going up and down and it was it was really quite good Wish gardens, it's great. They had the griffin and i'm a big roller coaster guy. I love them Can't get enough of them.  Yeah easy Yeah, if you have a fan blowing at you, you could spit at the fan and then it'll just get you know you Oh, yeah, right upwards a little bit. Then it won't like surprise you. You know, I think you need someone to learn the cues for you Oh, yeah, they have to learn the cues Yeah, someone has to teach them the cues, but you don't know what the cues are so that you you don't expect. That's right. That's right So I assume whenever you see water, you're probably be like, uh, this is probably it though I feel like they could spit on you surprisingly. What if you had vr a vr headset to watch the actual material? So you have no idea what's happening? Yeah, yeah, it's dark castle. It's not just the 3d and everything It's the the chair the seat that you're in it moves and it turns around it spins like a roller coaster Uh, and you're in a dark room. So I don't know how much space it actually takes up I think it's probably just the chair is moving But because all of your vision is taken up by the the screen in the 3d And it's incorporated very well in terms of when the objects fly at you and things like that That you really kind of you really kind of buy it and you lose yourself on the ride. It's great. Had a good time Now the the cool thing with the tingler Is um, they had the vibrating seats, of course But um, they also paid actors to be in the movie theater to react as if the tingler had gone after them Because it's just the point in the center of the film where it's just like everybody the tingler has been released into the theater And then the the seats start vibrating and people start screaming and running out of the theater It's it's fun. It's called the tingler and the seats vibrate. I don't know. Yeah Different vibes here. There's an extra level. There's an extra level here. It's not just called the tingler It's called the tingler in Vincent Price's voice The tingler He has a very it's not a low pit. It's it's a very distinctive voice Um, I bet everyone's heard it. You just don't maybe don't associate that with the voice from at least from thriller, right? Oh, yes Yes, yes, that's true. Yeah, that's right Once you hear his voice and know exactly who it is rags is oddly enthusiastic about this. I don't I didn't know it would lead this way I just think I didn't know it would be rags.  Yeah, this is in character for you Yeah, I don't feel this is a violation of your character. They've not assassinated you with your tingler enthusiasm And I know not only that the tingler is the kind of thing that typically you would get very enthusiastic about Oh, yeah Just wait until we watch the four scorpion king movie.  I'm gonna start reviewing real life and just keep saying that everyone is acting within their own character This is in putin's character. You're gonna start with season one episode one or you're gonna just jump into the new stuff who I'll see what I can find Pretty system with available professional monitoring. It's more than just security ring alarm can help protect your home from flooding Freeze and fire as well. Ring alarm works. Oh my god. He could do his famous quote Not not a really big but wouldn't those fall into security? Or maybe inside like come again. I was thinking about the tingler I think I think I've thought something else. I thought for a second. They're like far and You know, like if the if the town flooded like it could it can warn you of that It's like that's a form of security. I guess right, but then I think it's referring to Inside like if you had if you left your taps on or something which I guess wouldn't come under security. That's more so Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I suppose you could leave your taps on and then Because it I guess it's better to learn about it It does I can tell you a first time that happened to me last week. Oh It lasts. Why are you metal? Metal, what do we tell you? You silly man It was amazing though. What happened? Well, my washing machine needed itself of the pedestal it was on and ripped out the water thing Yeah, I don't know what happened. I just came back down to the base to get my laundry and there was water everywhere Was it? Yeah, have you not seen home alone? Uh, I have but not since I was a kid the wet banded the whole thing You didn't wait. You didn't watch our oh, yeah, leaving the taps on. No, I did. I did see that coverage. Yeah Okay, the wet bandits were not spring to mind though. They should have They should have So Jay, um, I just want to point out that you said Um, uh, isn't that going to cause a flood as my cat right next to my desk was taking the longest piss I'd ever heard in my life Is Yes, that's a great way to phrase that how loud Listening to the pee You can hear it from across the apartment. He just What are you hearing as he pisses? He's going. I'm hearing Right into the box Oh, okay Because generally yeah, you don't hear the pissing itself. Yeah, you hear what it hits thing Which I guess I guess my mind went to something else. 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I know what you're gonna say Have all of you guys seen the south park episode about insecurity Because i'm pretty sure that it's like exactly this where if someone breaks into your house or something They called you to ask you of everything is all right And then they'll call the police and then there was like a whole joke that they did in this in south park Where it's like in the time that you've spent on the phone with me verifying Like what's going on here. I might already be in serious trouble I thought didn't you say that they have the capacity to call them and they can call you like they Probably do both. I thought it was that they called you first and then they call the police, right? Isn't that I thought from what he said that say for example You're being chased around the house by a murderer that they would call the police immediately that they wouldn't call to ask If they can call the police. I think that's what I got from what he said That's kind of interesting though. That means that they have cameras on you at all times, right? I don't know. It's probably I think it's probably to limit the amount of unnecessary calls to the authorities That's probably with someone calls you to check and make sure that like it's actually a thing and then based on the response They will call the police for you I'd assume that the Cameras on at all times is with professional monitoring where you've actually got people on the other end looking at what's happening And you can tell them to stop There was that other south park episode about the tsa the toilet safety like administration Where there's the dude with all of the cameras Look at everything Simpsons already did in the middle of a big room with a bunch of scott knows that south park already did it south park's old enough That they can take that meme Everything first everything characters simpsons is the first one And so many great things happen. You just see homo simpson there You see jay. I thought the joke you were gonna make was wow you can pay for a service with and then you could Know like you can contact the authorities. Wow. I wish my wish my phone could do that Yeah, that is the joke. I was gonna make and then for you made his point. I was like, yeah I feel like my time has sailed Your time has sailed Your time has sailed A little clock on the water It's been fun, but I gotta go on my own adventure. I gotta embark Upon the journey Oh and then you ask the clock, where will you go and the clock's like you mean When will I go? And then he's Now and then he's not a whale eats it and it's like, oh It's much more it's wailed Winning professional monitoring for less money than most professional alarm companies You and your loved ones can rest easy knowing that ring alarm is helping to protect your home Get protection and peace of mind with ring. You know, my family relies on ring alarm I'm always concerned about security and ring alarm makes me feel so much more secure I know it's going. Oh, I got him Ah They needed to put the little metal gear solid exclamation mark on his head Ultra bright led floodlights hd cameras and two-way talk Whoa, so you could be like, excuse me, sir. What are you doing? You're like Well, I feel like You're walking outside someone's house and then Ben Shapiro's voice just comes across What are you doing? What are you doing? I'll have you know, my wife is a doctor I see that you have a dog, but that's not I think you're scoping my place out. Is that what you're doing? No, I haven't talked about that If I was a burglar and I was trying to break into someone's house and then I was threatened in Ben Shapiro's voice I would leave No, what ah god damn there's so many memes It should be the ad for the house that uh, professor freak made If it's the next day, you're in the house Get up and run down the street.   It's a great classic simpsons, man Doesn't a burning man fall out as well or did I imagine that but I don't I don't remember I don't think they have the people running out on fire. I don't think they do that Property at all times kind of thing you'd remember I don't think they do it. That's why I don't remember and all this craziness I could see why with all these houses getting up and run away.   Yeah, well has that award winning alarm go to ring dot com forward slash ben ship hero It's get a great deal on a ring alarm home security if it offered his voice as an ai for the system that Complete it. Oh my god. Yeah. How was your day? Welcome that meme definitely exists with like alexa. Hang on. Let me detect it Someone's definitely made it Your house It would set off an alarm whenever an intruder was in it and we'd just go I do like that We've spent more time talking about ring than we have about like the We get a lot of stuff out of the ass people spend more time talking about ring than the characters in this film No, I'm saying that he yeah, like Please him or run away from them But I want to hear him do a rage hat elections read though Well, the what bench appear one of the most ambitious My favorite Glormack the orc and the best part has a hammer Wait, no, but he wouldn't like that and the best part it's free Oh, he wouldn't like that. He wouldn't like that Wouldn't he what are you trying to I mean, I'm not sure what bench appears opinion on uh Microtransactions with free to play game handouts, you know I don't know.  How are they doing? I use great shadow legends to protect my family and you shouldn't Do I summon my favorite character. I don't know what the character's names are in that Chat we're not talking about a big jewish. We're talking about being capitalist that he would want the product rain shady lemons He's a capital jew I I think I would understand someone who's like hyper capital has been like a free to play game What but I'm just once they understand the business model. They'd be like, oh, okay He's a lot a big part of his job is sharing his opinions on matters of economics Maybe he has explained his um his approval or disapproval of of uh ray shadow legends. I don't know It comes out with a specifically ray shadow legends Okay today, that's ring.com forward slash ben Shapiro I've played it. It's right. Oh, pay to win. I recall So this is weird. We did the good the biggest problem the plot Yeah I feel I'm fairly sure his review is just a stream of consciousness And then his editor has to make something go here and out of it, right? I hope his editor pays a lot I think you're probably right make sense that I've been Shapiro's on movies So here is the actual plot of the film batman has only been batman for a couple of years So he's not really good at batmaning yet and he is tracking down criminals And he gets drawn into a plot by the riddler The riddler is giving clues so that batman can track down all the way through the system of gotham This city-wide corruption that apparently is going to bring down the entire superstructure of faith in the city I'm trying to think of superstructure of faith. Does he mean Yeah, the people's faith in the politicians and the systems that yeah, yeah Meanwhile, you have catwoman who salina cow played by zoey cravitz and zoey cravitz is Similarly engaged in an attempt to commit a robbery against one of these underworld figures But she's drawn into batman's orbit by a murder that both of them are investigating at at the same time the murder of her Roommate maybe something more going on there the riddler is correct again. All right Did he forget her name as he was talking there and try to avoid saying it her roommate No Investigating her murder. That's I thought he said he was called and then trailed off. Did I just completely imagine that? It was called her roommate. I didn't catch it.  Maybe you just hate Ben Shapiro so much Calm down j Stombs out First the main villain of the movie you see the penguin a fair bit Carmine falconi is is one of the big characters in the movie you get a little bit of alfred I like how many people still call him falconi falconi. The film was like falcon Let's get jim gordon whose main job in this film is apparently just to say jesus over in oregon christ It's course whenever something bad happens.  He takes the name of the lord in vain, which I do not appreciate It was like six miles. He wouldn't think jesus is but jilby Does nothing except for we said basically stop batman from getting arrested a lot. That's that's pretty much all he does Um, I mean that that's not inconsequential to this story surely like that's a pretty important component And there's you know There's a there's a lot of character that would come as a result of Trying to prevent the police from getting to batman, right? Bad detective. He doesn't do anything But It's it's an interesting play because it's like i'm supposed to believe he's a bad detective gets punched by batman A good detective would never get punched by batman. So Uh, I guess so like is he a bad detective? It's like well He relies on batman for a lot of the progression of the of the events for the for the crime Um, I don't think we have enough to say he's a bad detective. Just kind of a neutral one He is a bad detective. I think you could argue that. I think that's fair to argue. Um, because there's a lot of pros and cons to it I I don't know what jay just said because I think I just talked over it, but but but but I but I said it makes sense that batman is in these in the it is flawed Now we just completely lost my train of thought Because you should have played elton ring today. You I think he said nothing about how the he was directly addressed Yes, he was directly addressed by the riddler. So commissioner He's not commissioner yet.  So it makes sense that he's in there Um, I still even at that point I would still argue that just because of a crazy person has directed a particular person doesn't mean you bring them onto the crime scene I mean, yeah, sure. Sure. I think that uh, they would open it first Um and look at it all and stuff and then ask if they can get their hands on batman be like, does this mean anything to you? Does that also um bring Compromise the riddlers character because there's no reason that riddler would assume that batman would be the Would even see the messages that he sent So I would move to say that the riddler is aware of batman's cooperation with the police And thus he can rely on that that creates the other side of the problem where I don't believe riddler would think batman is his inspiration if he is working with Almost all of the corruption that riddlers concerned with a lot of it is the police in the film The plot is that all these people get killed batman uncovers it He realizes that his dad was corrupt also or that his dad engaged in corruption with carmine falconi Finally, we get to the end. Paul Dano does the it's such a rip off of seven. He gives himself up He doesn't get captured by that's not a ripoff of seven I haven't even seen like you're neglecting a significant amount of information. I don't like it.  It's like that was on purpose. He wanted to be captured. However, you see moller. Have you considered moller? However, that Christopher Nolan batman movies are the gold standard of superhero movies Well, then therefore what you said isn't valid. So this is pretty good, right? Because if they're the gold standard That man a Christopher Nolan movie, I don't think so you have to be more specific than he got himself captured on purpose There has to be more than that This is definitely a stream of consciousness thing because he's getting a lot of wired A lot of wires crossed throughout this whole thing like clearly this movie takes a lot of inspiration from seven Especially aesthetically and so he goes oh well the killer wanted to be captured and it's a detective story So therefore this is a ripoff of seven Instead of acknowledging that the killer wanted to be captured as a trope that's in a ton of things at this point Yeah, and and so man. Is it reminiscent of another era of talking about a Really grounded superhero going on quote movie being a film that copied another one Discourse is always so very engaging By batman batman does not prevent a single one of these deaths Batman in fact is complicit in one of the deaths by accident and he doesn't complicit by accident Wait, which one i'm trying to think of which one he's talking about complicit by accident one of the deaths Um, oh, I guess he's probably talking about talcone since he like brings them out. Ah come in That is not complicit I'm just thinking that's probably what he's talking about. What about if he's talking about What if he's talking about when he dodges the gun to a And has it go into another guy? I don't think so because he hasn't gotten to that part of the story yet And that's like one of the that's not one of the riddlers murders and I think that's what panis is describing here Okay, in that case I I do not know how you could frame falcones Killing like that. That's that's amazing. Yeah Can you be complicit by accident? Is he somehow referring to onica's death somehow twisting it around I don't know. Uh, oh some people saying the da maybe Um, I feel like he puts all the effort it gives all the answers to the riddles life hardcore And nothing about that is his fault directly and you can argue That um, he didn't like do He he wanted you could argue why he wanted the uh, the the rats named to be named Wasn't to save the da but ultimately All the effects are the same like he just definitely doesn't want to be complicit in the da's murder Yeah That's yeah, that's a strange one Well, some people say in the car chase. I I don't But no one directly dies in that that would be we are shown. Yeah, it'd be weird to say that We know people died in it probably but I think he's talking about falcon. I think that's what he's talking about I think he might be right about it. You might be right That is I think that's the best guess. Yeah It's the shot with carmine falconi Finally, we get to the end paul dano does the it's such a ripoff of seven. He gives himself up He doesn't get captured by batman. You know what look at the way that's edited It looks like he would have continued on exactly how it's a ripoff But then the editors cut it out Look at where this goes Engaged in corruption with carmine falconi. Finally we get to the end paul dano does the It's such a ripoff of seven. He gives himself up.  I wonder what he would have said Someone in chat suggested that he said another racial slur.  That's probably and it's if he said that like him giving himself up Doesn't seem to make a ton of sense, you know, then then there's something we can talk about But it just being a ripoff of seven is not really a criticism because what if his reasoning for giving himself up was actually really strong? like Well on a thing that now Famous example I've seen started a couple times. There's a lot of the star wars tracks Are inspired by many other tracks that are quite similar if you listen to them by from john williams Like you're talking about music Yeah, and if someone said, I know he just ripped it off. He'd be like, okay We're gonna have to talk about the difference between a ripoff and an inspired work. I suppose. Yeah Yeah, it's difficult to listen to mars the bringer of war and not think oh, this is proto star wars The second best of the planets by holst What's the first obviously being jupiter and you're wrong if you think otherwise Remember people Hidden cuts through Saturn is good though. I like Saturn I think he's a cool guy. Yeah He doesn't get captured by batman Batman does not prevent a single one of these deaths Batman in fact is complicit in one of the deaths by accident and he doesn't actually capture also Yeah, to your question, right? I thought it was an interesting thought. Can you be complicit by accident? Um, I guess I'd have to look at what complicit means I'm not sure I might be confusing it with a different word or concept But I think to complicit you have to be aware of it. I thought that was a fringy complicit You're a lawyer Tell us what in your professional law opinion. What do you have to be complicit by accident? Was your reaction about saying that you're not a lawyer? Yeah, I have to hit it wrong I mean I can complicit involved with others in an illegal activity or wrongdoing Like so I yeah, I think you could be accidentally involved with others in an illegal activity I don't know that I don't know that like complicit is the word to describe it though. You know Yeah, because if you're accidentally helpful to a crime then like what would they prosecute you for unless it's But that would be like negligence or something like that. That wouldn't be I mean implicit in a crime, right?  To canada can you take this little bag with you when you go, you know, don't look at it, please Give it to this man when you arrive his name is jumbo, you know, he's gonna be there waiting I feel like you're completely, you know, you might just be very trusting and if accidentally being complicit In a crime Uh, also some people say negligence negligence has like negligence has a more specific meaning like negligence would be That you that you did something where you ought to have known Better is I guess if you broadly describe it that way I yeah, like I feel like complicit is not the word that you would describe for like you brought somebody out You arrested them and then someone else shot them if you go Like the getaway vehicle are you knowing well You knew if if we're saying that complicit means you're involved in it I don't I wouldn't consider that to be involved in it. Like you you didn't do anything wrong You know it says involved with others in an activity that is unlawful of morally wrong So if that definition is trying to tell us they are involved in something Morally wrong from their PO like they're doing something morally wrong Which in the example of the getaway driver would be able you could definitely make that argument Someone who's like Hey, watch out and bumps into you. Well, you're in their way They fall over and then someone is able to execute them as a result of that when they were trying to It's like your complicit.  It's like I suppose you are well I guess that's the thing is is that you have more specific terms that are going to describe more narrow So like negligence would be one thing and then there's like My brain's not working right now. Um complicit is like that's too vague. I think Or at least like I don't see how to I don't see how you would say that what happened with falcon was complicit Like I if that's what he means. Well, the fact he said accidentally complicit, right? It seems like he's Almost there with the word he wants You know, well unwittingly inadvertently these feel like better. Yeah, these feel like that's a better word Yeah, we know what he means. We know what he means. Yeah Because the point that he doesn't prevent any of the murders and he doesn't actually Well, what would you say he kind of doesn't solve the case in that the riddler gives himself up, you know As a point of I don't know if that's a criticism But it's definitely something I could see not liking that he doesn't actually solve the case or prevent the murders up until that point Also, I can understand that as perfect Crazy idea guys. Maybe he misspoke. Oh our conclusion. That's what it was Also, I actually didn't really care again that he had said it. I was more so interested in what does it mean to be complicit actually Yeah, like sometimes someone will say something and that starts a conversation within like among the group And then you'll every time this happens. There'll be like, you know, people in chat or whatever complaining guys It's actually not that important what, you know, the exact wording that this person used and we're like, no, we'll be on that now And yeah, I just I find some of this stuff interesting. Don't worry.  I have agreed with him on many things so far crazy I just don't know that he's highlighted any criticism to the film I personally am here to attack Ben Shapiro See That's the only reason I came on e-fap. I'm masking the truth My first e-fap