I'm liking the hair and the mustache and the poncho and it's just I wouldn't think it goes together, but it does Dude, I mean honestly I've been picking them all up and then when I woke up first thing in the mornings morning to get to you guys I was like, what am I gonna bring today? I had the hair and the mullet the mustache But I was like gotta bring the poncho to yeah, it's a protector. Do you guys see this? It comes up in the back and protects my I was gonna say would you get it extra warm buffalo exchange down in Venice literally has gold Like honestly don't spend your time anywhere else shopping Just come down to Venice Beach with me for one day, and I'll literally let you guys walk home So where okay the last you sack your way We have to we have to recap where we were last right so the last time we hung out you were preparing for the CrossFit games Dude, you guys are the first people to believe in me. We got there. Yeah.  They implemented the cut Series to the games what's that so basically they invited athletes in and athletes earned and were invited and basically, I was the only one who was invited and Basically, if you weren't the top 50% of every single workout you got cut and I own at first workout I was like top 30% top 20% so I did great But then the second workout I was back 25% and I got cut and then the next workout was a workout That was like designed for me It was a rock run where it's like put weight on your back run as fast as possible. So I literally was just like Literally a day away from being able to shine and be able to throw that knockout punch and I got cut But in reality dude like the guy who took third in the open that year, which is a qualifying event He got cut first event like people who are just spectacular athletes were cut just because it was like a roll of the dice You didn't know it was gonna hit that day and CrossFit's an interesting sport It's not like it's like more like the Tour de France than a marathon It's like you're the best person over the 21 days and the 21 events rather than the person who just freaking nailed it that one time So you had to be a really really well based Versed athlete like you know Lance Armstrong could sprint and he could beat people up in the hills And he just had the best overall run of the 21 days. That's what made him so special If you took that same Lance Armstrong type athlete to a sprint event or just like a rain of mountain event He may have lost that whole thing and he wouldn't be considered Lance Armstrong So honestly, it was a very different experience than I thought it was gonna be but at the same time We made it we showed up and we fucked it up.  That's in my wheelhouse three legless rope climbs 25 feet up That's in my wheelhouse. Like I didn't use the technique like these guys do they're freaking like wizards climbing up ropes And then it was into 185 pound snatch seven times four rounds and to be honest Like if you give me 185 pound bar right now, I'll chuck it over my head But if you put all of those things in succession like that's where it's like that was like probably within That's like 80% of my max. Oh, and yeah, so I was just like oh shit, but I made it and I was like, yes I did this thing next event was a Thousand meter row or 800 meter row into 70 shoulder press Into a handstand walk for 140 feet but you had to cover I think 40 or 60 foot sections and I was the first person off the rower and the first person off the shoulder press because it's just capacity capacity capacity Which I'm great at and then that's where I just started to fall apart, dude I covered the first 40 feet and I was in the lead and I was like I might as well try to win this thing just so I can Secure myself and show people like I'm actually here to do something and then dude I just went the next 40 feet and five feet from that cut mark I fell and I was like, okay. I got six minutes. I got six minutes.  I never thought about it. Wow interesting just a stability change Have you ever have you ever done like I'm dude just like the way I get explained to somebody is like do a deadlift with Two dumbbells and then do a single lead deadlift It's just like the the level of instability that you have is Enormously different like I can take 200 pound dumbbells and rip deadlifts all day long If you give me like two 35 pound dumbbells for a single leg deadlift I'm like, uh-huh. Yeah, and it's just if you don't train it then you're not ready for it And now did you know these events before we're you able to train before? No, it's literally the night the night before the hour before the minute before so there's no way to know There's nothing which now which one did eliminated you what was the what was the workout that day? It was it was that was the one it was I got basically through that and to be honest dude Like I can't prove this but a lot of people side with me on this We were not supposed to be cut workout to I I base.  He put his car down.  I don't know Dave Castro is the director of sport. He organizes the workouts. Yeah, you can read a book about him talking about how hard his job is but all of us could do it and I'm just giving you a big shout out Dave Anytime anywhere.  Yeah He doesn't actually do me. Just tell you just write it down on a piece of paper Honestly, I could give you guys all a piece of paper right now and you could be the director of the CrossFit games Well, that's how we feel about the whole Yeah, there he is right there.  Event one, you know cartwheels and Leg curls.   I'm really like when he met you.  He literally got up on the stage in front of all of the athletes that had just earned their spots from all Over the world.  It gave me fuel, but there's nothing I could do I mean like I I did my job on the first one I didn't do my job on the second one and now I want to earn a spot back to get The chance to do it again because to be honest now that I went through the whole process It's not something I want to continue, but it's something that I will do just despite him Now, why do you think he has a problem with you because you're a likable guy? I mean, it's hard to understand to see why anybody would not like you you're pretty bring some entertainment value What do you think the problem is well, dude It was really interesting like there was this huge divide which like just it was very confusing When I got invited to the games a huge group of people online just started to berate me like just they weren't so Upset that I had qualified to the games. Oh, really through the invitation People were shitting on me dude I can go back into the feed and my Instagram posts and you can just see people shitting on me They're like just Assholes about it and to be honest like I just played the rule that they put in the book It was literally in the book. It was in ink. You can't lie about it Like there's no hiding from the fact that I just played a rule that was given They were inviting athletes outside of it, and I think he was one of those people and like it's just a Lot of people think that this is such like a holy event in the fitness industry that you know They didn't want it to be watered or dumbed down by some jock who liked to mud-brun My standard man, I told everybody who was competing against me. It's like there's a very easy way to solve this Just beat me like that's all you got to do like if you work hard Then that's the whole point of sport I don't think people compete in sport to exclude people they compete in sport to see who's the best at the sport And that's all I wanted to do. I just wanted my opportunity to shine and share and That's what I do for a living like I will literally if you guys called me to a badminton tournament I'm showing up in my tight smash that shuttlecock And that's what I'm gonna do whether it's the CrossFit Games Spartan Race powerlifting. I just it's it's sport I'm in love with it, and I'll continue to love it.  I'm like, what was the chances that I was gonna eat horse meat with steroids in it? So I worked with this company who Primera Sports are a great supplement company and the CEO of it Mark He used to run a testing lab.  There's something wrong here. Oh, wow That's like the whole so how I got pregnant from the toilet seat argument. Yes. Yes. Yes, but your opinion How rampant do you think it is in the games? It's terrible. Oh really? It's terrible I mean, dude, I'm just gonna say you guys all work out a ton And maybe you're not all world-class athletes But you've worked out enough that you know the body type of a guy who's natural and not yeah And I'm just stepping into a gym and there's like a hundred people in the room that are like, you know Somewhat of a six-pack somewhat of shoulders abs arms all that kind of stuff And then there's just one person who looks like a bike pump was attached to their backside No, there's not enough power someone else help me pump this Something's different about you.  So because we had John Romano on the show a couple years ago now, right? And he talked about that that's the really the game and most all these professional sports including CrossFit is Not whether you take it or not It's just all about how you cycle it so you don't get caught like so how does the testing work? Is it random do they know when they're gonna get tested like do you know how that works? It's random testing like I think that once you sign Their waiver and as a participant you are now filed under the opportunity for random testing so literally like Four days after I signed my paperwork to accept to go to the games, which was like beginning of June I was an at an event and they literally called me and they said hey I work for such and such agency. We need you to be tested. We're here And I literally went into a room and had to pee in a cup. It was like instantaneous Do I think that they wanted to catch me? Coming in dirty right away. Yes Do I think that they tested like all their top-level athletes who have just been dormant living in like some kind of corn fed town Pumped up on the juice. No, they just forgot to you know test those people. Wow Do I think that these people are all dirty and that the business is dirty? No Do I think that there's a lot of people going under the radar? Yes? Wow and listen It's not a very it's an expensive procedure to chase these people down and there's a lot of up-and-coming athletes And then there's a lot of just Standard like they're gonna be there no matter what athletes well And then it's also just like the NFL and the NBA and the MLB. It's good for television totally So there's that there's that side of it that you know No matter what you say people like to see that the more superhuman they are the more eyeballs are gonna be on the television watching And to be fair they have caught quite a few people right so that kind of shows that they maybe are trying and they're publicizing it So that's a good thing. Yeah, but I don't know about that I wouldn't I would make the same thing that they used to do with the MLB and NFL They don't always do a couple sacrifice. Yeah, exactly. You don't you don't take your you don't take your holy Good. Yeah, you don't take the face of Crossfit you don't take the main guy or girl You take a couple other people out to make it look like you are you're trying to enforce something So now you're such a competitive guy after that. Are you like I want to go back and do it again? I want to try again. Are you having any of those thoughts?  They were in my court again I did my job and like I'm not saying that like I don't want to go back into their court Like I want to make sure that this is constantly a thing where I'm on their turf They're on my turf. They're I'm on their turf I'm there because I really want to find out who's the best like I Assigned an NDA and I can't give details, but Spartan Race is doing something very soon Similar to this in their own thing. So now they're back in my court again, and I'm fricking pumped Oh, wow, and I'm ready to rampage. I'm primed right now So it's like I want to and the only we always invite them over because we're like just come on in They're very particular and like that's their standard. I'm gonna play by it So I'm gonna try to qualify back again, and I'm gonna make sure that I can get in Is there a rivalry between obstacle course racers and CrossFit? Is that what's happening? Cuz that's kind of fun.  I love it How different honor McGregor of OCR? Yeah, how different is the culture between the two is it was there a massive difference or is it similar? They're just competitive people want to do well It's competitive I think that I would say the majority of the people in both sports are very similar in their demeanor just like hey We're athletes like we're really lucky for the opportunity, and then there's like, you know There's always the asshole, and then there's the quiet guy, you know, it's it's pretty similar I would say that it's a little bit more revved up in the CrossFit industry because they get so much more media attention sure They're like if you go and watch one of our events It ranges anywhere from like a thousand people to ten thousand people watching If you go to one of their events their stadiums are filled with tens of thousands of people and they have like a hundred thousand viewers online They just have so much more of a more such a bigger marketing vessel and like funding behind them. It's just It's hard to compete. So that also comes with a level of intensity and Just you know behind it. So these athletes are a little bit more ornery Have you been following all the drama that was going on with Glassman the last like 90 days? Yeah, dude, they certainly know how to screw the pooch when they do. Yeah So did you have did you have any idea of any of this while while you were a part of it and going on? Or is it like news to you? What was What'd you think? I Don't know any of the behind-the-scenes stuff to be honest like I met Glassman. He seemed like a really nice guy I think if you took any of our phones and read through it, we'd all look like assholes to be honest Like let's just let's just shoot it straight.  No. Do I think he got caught up in a bad time? Yes, and he sold while his company was still worth something and they're trying to rebuild it with a whole new CEO and probably a whole new team if I had to guess the guy on the screen is probably gonna get can too I think they're gonna probably have to clear out the shop and just bring in fresh new fresh blood just to Really save the image of the company. Wow. Do you know, do you think it happens? Do you think they can or do you think you're gonna they're gonna take a massive hit from all this?  I actually thought they didn't exist, you know with that when that their stock exploded and people were asking Those questions. What do you think about Kodak? And I laughed I was just like that's an old that they went out of business a Long time I thought they went out of business. Exactly. So they're they're the companies reinvent themselves for sure And I think they can save themselves out of this thing. I mean, it's too much of an exciting sport Do I think it's gonna take a hit? Yes Do I think that anybody can take a beat-up business and give it a little bit extra juice? It will it will get back going again How did you change anything in your training after that performance? Where did you go home and say? Yeah Like okay, here's some things I need to focus on or is it the same? I think I trained like an 88 getting ready for the games to be honest I wanted to play on the court that they they had set up and I started to train the way that they did and to be honest I just like I I think This is a broad Statements not necessarily pointed at any one person, but I think a lot of CrossFit coaches are idiots. They don't Understand the direction and just progression of strength and conditioning I think they all get a certification that takes 24 hours or a weekend long through CrossFit, which is a great education system I already have like five certifications through them But then they think that they're like a sports performance coach ready to enhance you and Anything you want to do in life? 5x5 back squats and Tota bars like it's just it's not the case and I started working with some Coaches and I started to read into the things that they were doing and looking into the programming that was online And to be honest dude like I'm running Probably five six hours a week and biking Almost double that some weeks and doing strength training and I PR'd my power clean While doing all this cardio because I'm just on the basic strength and training progressions that are just Universally known throughout the strength conditioning world and I'm using that and I'm just hitting PRs I benched 315 like six weeks ago. I PR 300 pounds like a week ago Like I'm just I'm cleaning that and it's just snappy and I'm like how is this possible because based on the way that they designed it It's not Effective it's too much. It's too sporadic. It's never consistent and continued.  I mean dude I can show you I posted pictures yesterday of just this kind of like transformation through me in my athletic career 2016 I was a hundred and seventy eight pounds running professionally for Spartan race 2018 I was competing in Tough Mudder X which is like kind of like a combination of CrossFit and Tough Mudder And I was like super strong I could run a 15 minute 5k and deadlift 500 pounds like no one can do that on the planet as I know of it and Then I started to go more towards CrossFit a year after that I was 217 pounds like very puffy and flamed and just kind of beat up Like my middle back is still messed up from snatching and I'm not saying that the programming hurt me I like my own technique and my own influence like nobody put their hands on me and forced me to lift that weight But now I'm back down around 205 208 and I can move all the same weight and I'm like way healthier Now do you feel like that's because a lot of the programming is probably geared to enhanced athletes And they could handle that amount of volume and beating the body up in recovery No, I mean listen I don't want to harp on like the enhanced thing because I don't want people to think that I'm just saying everybody who Does it is there is on the stuff. I just think that's this like Remember like no pain no gain. Mm-hmm. That is like so their motto. Yeah, it's like if you have don't have like Micro tears and every tendon in your body. You are not achieving your level of excellence It's okay that pain is meant to be Information more pain or growth. Well, this has actually been the biggest knock that we've had we've we've highlighted a lot of positive things that CrossFit did for the fitness community and You know what they did as far as bringing back squats and deadlifts and compound movements that just people were doing So there's a lot of positive things, but the big knock that we've always had is the program design the way they've programmed It's always been about intensity. It's always been based around that and you know We know from training so many bodies for so many years that that's a that's a failing method for like 90% of the population You know tough except that maybe the 10% outliers that can handle that abuse. Yeah, you end up progressing in spite of I think sometimes people do well In spite of poor programming, but because they do well Other people may think that's evidence like oh, this is a great way to work out when in fact it's not for most people It's just too much. So now talk about the like Spartan races. That's still going on with all the COVID and everything else Shoot dude.  Yeah, like I was saying There's there's five people going to the CrossFit games this year. There was 150 last year the Spartan Invitational thing. There's a very small amount of people going compared to championships last year There's like 15,000 people including the open classes.  Are you pretty specific with your diet? Is that change at all as well? I mean when you talk about workouts You you definitely sound like a coach like it's very Meticulous and planned are you like that with your diet too? Is that a little looser? It's definitely looser because it's just to be honest like I worked with macro coaches. I worked with nutritionists I've studied everything that I can I continue to buy books like I just bought Paul Chex book And I'm like reading through that and gut understanding like I'm never gonna quit on that but to be honest You could just put anything in my mouth and I'm going to survive. I may not You guys want to go there. Let's get there. I'm just saying like that was a sex joke, but I'm just saying Yeah, so you I can eat anything I want but like my staples are right now just yogurt rice pasta honey Eggs I like like the other day like I didn't have any like anything else.  They are easy It's not like you're eating McDonald's No, no, no, no, no, it's just I don't it's because I don't like necessarily McDonald's I'm not bad mouth and McDonald's, but I'm just saying like I'm not inclined to wake up this morning But God and McGrittle would be so hot right now No, it's just it's it's not like this vegan. It's not this special carnivore diet It's not this special anti-inflammatory bioavailability. I don't touch vegetables unless you have a gun to my head to be honest Like there's just no point. I I just don't have time. I do eat seaweed chips That's my guilty pleasure. Okay. Yeah, that's probably only it's there's a lot of Back to kind of Sal's question around the nutrition then are you not even like, you know Counting calories or even measuring you're doing so much movement that you kind of just as long as you stay within those food groups and eat From that you just eat when you're hungry four to five thousand calories a day is just it I just got on the Horn with my macro coach and nutrient coach just like maybe like three days ago And I was like hey, I have been a little bit unguided for a while Like you want to just kind of ring it back in maybe have a pop-up kind like just kind of a Just sit back down and have a pop-up convo of what we should be doing And I just went over it with him.  I'm like, yeah, he's like don't change it There's a good coach. Yeah. Yeah sounds like a very good coach You know talking to you all fair you have it sounds like you have a lot of other practices that lead to your success Besides training and diet one thing you said that I thought was very interesting is that you don't watch TV Yeah, you don't really watch TV. When did that start? Why don't you watch it?  What are you talking about? Do you remember them? No, I remember everything Just give me a little screen pull up Ripped mice that ride motorcycle Remember that it's the most random thing I've ever heard that sounds so awesome. Yeah, it is a freaking show so honestly like I I Think just because if I have so much time in the day like I'm on my phone all the time It's just work-related. There's no reason to go on like if I sit in front of a television show It's usually like CNN. Yeah, you can see the mice right up there.  I am watching that dude How do we miss this tight jeans? Dude, they're all jacked. They're ripped to the bone. That's great They're awesome. There's a video game. I just think that You you have your own television on Instagram You can basically create exactly what you want to see and I don't follow anybody anymore Like I only follow the people who sponsor me. I've got three. I follow three people and I realize how much like terrible Content I was ingesting every single day. Like it was just like hot nasty Women that were like making me sweat while I was looking at my phone.  Trump is ruining everything. I mean, I'll show you what I woke up to the other day This is what was popped up on my phone. It's the most the most fucked-up thing that I've ever witnessed on my screen Right here Washington Post goes the coronavirus has killed at least one million people around the world There is no end in sight that is the header of what they are putting out there.    Yeah, and it just is It's crazy. That's so stressful And if I could just hang out on this room with you guys all day long and then go about my business and then Come back. It's like we control this environment, but as soon as we turn on that screen That's this portal of danger. Hmm. So tell a vision. I remember when Paul checks that said that right? Vision, right? Yeah, literally to tell you to be afraid and you're totally right. I think I'm plugging makes a big difference Do you have other practices like? Meditation spirituality practices or things that are outside of the traditional realm of exercise and nutrition that help To be honest not really I try to have like probably the only thing that really helps me as I talk a ton Like I try to sit down with people and I try to really Go through my thought process with people regularly like I used to go to a therapist very often Not because I'm a psychopath just because like I don't want to become a psychopath. Hmm. I want a lot of awareness there Well, to be honest, they made me go to a therapist like twice a week And he even got to the point where his court mandated when I was in rehab and stuff But I don't go through a therapist from the age of seven all the way until I was 20 years old twice a week And I hated it, but I also did understand like he's like tell me about your feelings It's like why is that so important to you stop asking me about my feelings like God dang it man and To be honest like that seems like a loaded question kind of just like a weird way to open somebody up But if you don't just sit there and process everything that's going through your system it is going to grow on the inside of you and become internal baggage and Just I just work through it with a lot of people That's probably the healthiest thing that I do is if I have a fight with my girlfriend I'm like if we have to stay up until like one in the morning and process this shit We are going to do it and if I have a problem with my friend like Right now I'm trying to run this business right now And like some people have been not so responsive and I just will call him out I'm like hey listen if you can't handle this Tell me you're busy.  I think it's too internalizing. I don't want to do that anymore So before we got on you're kind of saying you're hiding out a bit like in the mountains here Yeah, yeah, I'm just on disclose I mean I've lived in that place in Malibu for years, but I will admit that It's it's pretty funny like at first I came back to Malibu and I was like Oh, I'm so excited to see people and then all of a sudden I was like God This this world's kind of shitty like people are starting to really just treat each other poorly Like people screaming at each other for not having a mask on or screaming at each other for like taking their parking spot It's like almost that this time in the world where people should come together and support each other People are almost becoming more abrasive and hostile Mm-hmm And so now like at first it started out where I'd come down every single day and get my groceries and like say hi to a Couple people and then it would go like by two days where I'd get enough groceries to not come down and then all of a sudden My girlfriend goes to work every day. I'm like bring home groceries. I'm not coming down And I am at the point now where it's like I'm kind of just waiting it out.  I'm sorry that I'm not on your team and ready to shake a sign with you But it doesn't mean that you have to violently Put your opinions and energy into my life and that's what the world's becoming right now And I'm not trying to say that I'm any better than anybody else But I will remove myself from the playing field if it means that less problems are in my life and in their life Because I know that if someone gets in my face at some point like it could potentially be bad not necessarily violent But I'm just waiting for myself to pop. Yeah, I think that's good boundaries within yourself I think it's an important practice. So what are what are your intentions right now? What it what's what's on the horizon? What are you focused on? To be honest like my biggest focus this year was writing my book and I was really cranking it out hard and I was doing great and I was really passionately loving the idea of sharing what I'd learned and experienced over the past like, you know I'm only been alive for three decades But at least there's been a dense part of that that I really wanted to share with people because I feel like There's something to be gained and then all of a sudden Kind of this covert thing just kept on getting hit more and more and more and I was like whoa I was like honestly, I was like this is not gonna get any better So I sat down with a team of people and I told them that I was I was like I'm gonna put on an event to raise some money for all the athletes who are losing it all the people who've been fired and furloughed in The industry all the people who have been All the people who don't have direction in their lives. So I decided to start that business and I just like I was like, I think if I really just put my head to the grindstone on this thing I could do something that's gonna shift the entire environment and Honestly, dude, like I keep myself in my room on this project all day long And like you guys are like the first people I'm seeing this week And then I'm going right back to Malibu and I'm getting back to business And I think by the end of it like it's I'm gonna end up winning this year rather than losing it Can you can you talk a little bit about this? So you're you're putting something together to raise money for people who has the fitness space and the competitive Athletic space is really taking a big hit totally of it. Yeah huge hit. I mean, we know people who own gyms And they're just totally screwed. So can you talk a little bit more about this? Yeah, totally I just like originally it started because I was like, whoa, everything's getting canceled then all of a sudden I'm talking to my friends who owns gyms and they're like, dude everything like no none of my members want to come in and All of a sudden I'm talking to my friends or coaches and they're like, dude, none of my all my athletes are dropping off I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa It's like everybody I'm knowing around me is getting hit and this is going down fast. So I was just like, all right I'm gonna start an event very much similar to the CrossFit open That's basically just like I would find the fittest OCR athletes in the world the fittest endurance athlete in the world and we created this event called OCR stars I put thirty thousand dollars in my own money into it. My brother gave me thirty thousand dollars We said like if we're gonna start this thing We are gonna put our own money behind it because you know I've lived my entire career for the past ten years and people are just Giving me tens of thousands of dollars to wear a t-shirt and travel around the world for them People have literally given me my dream on a silver platter And I was like, I'm literally watching all the people who have helped me out and all the people who've been by my side For the past ten years like literally go up and smoke. So I was like, I got to do something some of this money that I've been saving up has directly come from these people so I was like, I got to do something and Eventually starting around July 4th, my brother and I sat down. He's like do it dude Let's light this thing up and we decided we were gonna launch event starting in November 2nd called OCR stars four weeks for workouts And it's all can be done from the safe to your own home or in a gym like your guys own if you guys were like a host Gym you basically have all the equipment here that basically people can come and use it because they don't have it at home and we were basically gonna qualify people for One one of our championships physically OCR WC is partnered with us You can actually compete and qualify for the world championships next year through us To we are gonna give people the opportunity to compete for cash again Like I want people to be able to have their Living's earned again. I'm like if you guys are working out all the time I was like I'm giving you a chance right now like we've immediately put down a $31,000 cash prize prize purse And we're going all the way up if we hit our numbers, we're gonna give away a hundred and forty thousand dollars to athletes Wow, that's great. Yeah, and I Literally I'm traveling around talking to gyms getting everything going and we're basically gonna put on a pro show for four weeks every Monday When we launched the events We're gonna fly pros in and put on like a in like a you know, basically from your screen your phone to watch Professional event very cool. So all the bases are covered. It's a TV show.  I'm basically telling anybody here your options It's either you're an athlete and you want to sign up and participate or you're supporting you want to sign up and donate It's $30 to sign up and you know, if you want to you guys can sign up and also buy a t-shirt, which is another $30 I'm literally telling everybody who's listening to this right now It's like we are taking the money we are earning and we are putting it into the cash prizes and athletes Like we just brought on a sponsor for $10,000 I hired two people to help me cold-call gyms and bring things up like we're just trying to get people in the industry Working again helped out. So if you are listening to this and you love working out it's an awesome opportunity to runs outside and to gym workouts inside and you know, it's four weeks of your life to just kind of find out who what you're made of and Really kind of be able to help a good cause and support our sport for going into 2021 stronger That's awesome.  I was totally fucked in one week one to two weeks I was going for making almost $400,000 for the year guaranteed Earning as a company and I wouldn't go that right into my pocket. I have a bunch of employees who helped me run my business But it we Hunter McIntyre McIntyre media generated that much money within two weeks. We went down to $36,000. Wow Yes, I have a manager. I have a finance team. I have my buddy Benny who runs all the gym all my fitness app stuff and it's like I not only am I Working myself to have to also pay my own bills like I I'm working with other people and it's not like these people completely depend on me But I was like we worked for years to build this thing up like we worked so hard Like Augie has been my manager since I was a model back when I was 20 years old.  I'm a non essential like I'm not boxing things up.   Yeah, four or five thousand calories Exactly. I eat at the capacity of just you know a handful of people rather than one So it was intense man and like, you know Not to go back to my business, but I realized that every other athlete that I know is getting hit the same way It's not like all of a sudden like I'm at the top of the list It the people below me got calls before I did and I'm like holy shit this is gonna be crazy and I I I had a savings account So I'm gonna be able to like kind of survive this score storm and bunker down, but the reality is It's a totally changed industry man. Like the fitness industry. I think got hit almost harder than anything else I would agree. Yeah, we feel that way too. I would a hundred percent agree But the demand for fitness is still high people still want to work out. It's just different, you know I know Trainers that lost almost all their business and I know other trainers who are able to Effectively pivot to online coaching and even in-home training because there's still people that want and they're doing pretty well But if you're not ready To pivot or unable to pivot and you didn't have enough money to carry you into that Boy, what a tough position to be in did you figure out any other ways that to to generate more revenue during this process? Dude, I immediately sat down and I was like I am starting back up my training company Two years ago. I started a company called house Hunters Academy of Strength and I was just like giving people one-on-one coaching I have eight certifications getting my ninth one now and I Read books on like, you know working out all day long. I was like, I love it. I love it for myself I love it for other people as like I could teach you how to get stronger leaner faster anything you want So I started it a couple years ago and I was like damn. This is way too much I was like I cannot train and sit at a computer all day long So I was doing individual emails and prescriptions for every single client and I had like 30 to 40 clients Whoa, this is exhausting. So I shut it down. I told everybody I was like guys I'm not giving you the attention you deserve for the money. You're paying me So then I was just like I since then to you in the past two years There's all of these apps that you can basically design yourself as like a straight like a hunter-mack entire shop Hunters Academy of Strength you can go to my app and literally go and you can either go through my look good Naked program my running program my like daily training and it's just like it's pretty easy I design it and I sit down on my computer for a couple hours a week I put it all down and I put it out there People message me every single day and ask questions, but it's not nearly as involved as somebody who is like Hey, I just want you to know my hamstrings a little bit tweak this week and like I I'm my bike tire tire pop So like how can I change up with these workouts to do this? I was like Like 15 20 minute email to like come up with a new idea for them on the training plan You do that with 30 40 people a week it gets crazy difficult to scale Yeah, so I launched that business and it literally grew to like 320 members and Four months first month. I will tell you like I was ready to like string myself up We didn't get any sign-ups. It's like, oh my god. It's like I am washed up Nobody cares like COVID is really taking us down a peg hunter.  I was like holy crap Yeah, that's excellent now any anything new in the future for you like what are you looking to do moving ahead with all this?  I've been doing it for too many years I've been working too freaking hard. It's just probably only gonna take about two months more more work And it'll be good after that's done I really am going to take all invest about 50% of what I'm earning right now in my training company And I'm hiring a full-time cameraman and I was like we're literally gonna do all of the hunter adventures But now there's a red light on I was like we're gonna fucking tear it up Oh, yeah, that's that's all I love hearing this these kind of stories because so many people in our space need to hear How people are making it and what they're doing it did does exercise and working out carry you through those hard moments I know it does for me when I'm feeling stressed out. I work out I feel so much better. Is it meditated for you in that sense 100% to when everything got canceled all my events got canceled I literally was just sitting there and I was like I just I bought a whiteboard at Target old Tarjay And I put that thing up on the board and I was like what do I do and I just started looking online I was like what's close? What's close? What's close? It's like Memorial Day Murph So I was like I'm gonna set the Murph world record I gave myself two months of this the most intense training cycle I've done to date I gave myself like rhabdo on multiple days joint pain that still doesn't allow me to sleep at night And I just said I'm gonna do it. I was like I'm not going to allow this to tie me to the ground There's no rock around my waist I was like I'm gonna smash that thing and start running now and I went for it And it was just the carrot that was going to survive long enough to keep me Busy and it kept me happy and it kept me focused and then then right after that was done I was like next goal and did you set the world record? Yeah, I got it. I got it. I want to go. Wow. I wanted to go sub 30 and I was close and then I over trained myself I was with them one minute of the record and then when I did the actual Event I was four minutes behind there four minutes behind my goal.  Yeah, and I Just I talked about this recently. I Believe very much so that having a goal in life is important having some purpose and direction But I also believe in like these micro goals like you just always have to have something Mm-hmm You can't allow yourself to just even get through the day without having a goal take us through a little bit of What that training looked like for Murph? I mean, what did you do right? What did you do wrong?  It started out two-month training cycle that should have probably been spread out over six I started out with a power like in strength block as like I hit every position with maximal strength So I went through a squat cycle of like five reps than three reps than one rep not five three one but I did that like downward wave of intensity and I built up to like a heavy squat. I was like I can move weight in this position I can bench weight in this position. I can pull weight in this position. So structurally, I was very strong and then I added intensity No, and then I had endurance then I started just pumping reps into that thing Like I was doing probably several thousand reps of squats push-ups and pull-ups a week and Then I added intensity I just put like the last part of my block was literally taken emom clock and I was like you have to hit 25 push-ups and 25 squats every single minute for 10 minutes with a mile on each side Weight vest on wow, and I was like I just started to take things And I just started to take the workload and just start to make it tighter and tighter and tighter and tighter It's like can you put all of that into a smaller box now of time and If you spread that out over six months You allow these ups and then a down then up and then a down like you guys know the waves. Yeah, I Months is just up. Yeah, I just don't see any down. There's no downs I think that was the problem like the structure of the design was perfect, but the implementation and the intensity was too much and I I probably would have done maybe two days a week of heavy calisthenics Five to six days a week of more heavy cardio and maybe two days a week of heavy lifting where I was hitting four heavy lifts a week Five days of calisthenics and five days of cardio Do you do what do you do for recovery and for for just rejuvenation because that's I mean Obviously, you're a highly trained athlete. I'm sure there's a genetic component there as well You seem to you probably have a recovery ability much higher than the average person Yeah, but I need some intervention. I can't and yeah, I can't imagine though that you don't You know do something to accelerate your healing process.  I was getting a massage twice a week when I had availability to a massage therapist I hang upside down all the time hanging upside down from those gravity boots. I'm telling you right now Now what do you get from that? lengthening your spine adding fluid to your spinal tissue and Lengthening your joints kind of separating things as we stand everything's compressing everything needs to decompress People do yoga and stuff.   It feels like it's tearing I'm tight because of the work that I do like sometimes like your body needs to be tight instead of supple So I allow that lengthening of hanging to really help out like I'll hang for 10 to 20 minutes a day And I went from like six two and a half down to six foot and three quarters after doing heavy CrossFit because of like just The the amount of disc like my body was so bad I mean, how much did you yeah? How much height did you lose about an inch and a half? Holy cow and now when you're hanging when you're doing the traction upside down like that you get you gain it back Oh, yeah, dude.  I know that was a really long answer for just hanging upside down And to the one thing I have to say that like I think is amazing for recovery is water Like I will put a bet down cash that most of you guys do not hit a gallon every day Yeah, and if you're not hitting that like I'm sitting right now here talking to you guys sweating Just because my I think my metabolism and my muscular system is just always running a little bit hotter You also have a big furry poncho Yeah No, but like even if I do I'll lay I'll sleep like naked on top of the bed at night time sweating It's crazy do when I was training. This is crazy when I was training for the CrossFit games I was so overtrained and so beat up. I would literally take a wet shower like cold shower Obviously, it was a wet shower.  That's crazy. You know you mentioned your girlfriend a couple times How long he has been together and she's how supportive is she about all this insanity? Oh, you know what? I have to say. I'm not the easiest guy. She's been here with six months. She's my COVID queen basically She this is crazy So I knew her for two years a year before I actually started spending time with her and I would go into this gym And I was training full-time and I was like, I don't want to talk to anybody and that's not usually my energy But like I just was like so intense and focused at the time She thought I was a total asshole and then I was dating another girl at the time and she was dating somebody else I was like that girl is beautiful, but you know off limits. So I just like I stayed away I just know that there's no point in touching hot coals unless you want ready to get your hand burnt So I just stayed away from her and then all of a sudden I broke up with my last girlfriend and within like a Couple weeks. I just I turned on a dating app. Just see was like what's the like out of here? Boom DM from her and I was like, oh Like that's that pretty girl from the gym So we meet up and we have a great date. It was that my birthday invited her to my birthday party.  So I just wear an astronaut outfit with an eyepatch.  Yeah, so I ended up This is a funny story. This is not a PG story I was so high on mushrooms and beer at the time when she came to meet me at the bar I was just like out of it. She came to like talk to me. I was like, get away from me. I can't I can't I was like I'm just I'm too high So then I go run outside with after the bar close I go up to her and I was like come home We'll just go hang out and party at the house for a bit And she didn't get in the Uber with us because it was fully packed I was just sitting on my lap. She's like, no, I can't do that. So I was like I gave her my address I typed in the wrong address So she shows up so the next day I text I text her. I'm like, what happened to you?  I go back to the text totally wrong address So she shows up to a house in the middle of the night and tries to open the door So I was embarrassed. I was like, I'll make it up to you. So I took her out to ice cream for the next night Had a great date Then I went and flew to New York City to go Tell surprised my dad for a 65th birthday. It was March 10th And I show up and then all of a sudden like I'm in a gym working out with somebody and my buddy is like, yo Dude, look at my friend just sent me and I was like, what he goes, dude This is from one of the you know the broadcasters at CNN They're like they're about to shut down New York City because this covert thing I was like, what covert thing are you talking about? He's like, you know that disease from from China And China the China disease.  I have this ridiculous text from my dad He's like, he's like, we're going up state.  Do not smile. Yeah, it was freaking freaky So then I called this girl over for a date and I'm like, listen, this sounds really weird But I the world's about to change and I was like, you're my plus one I was like, we're about to go on lockdown as like I can only have one person in the house besides my house Besides myself, my roommate said I was like, you're my plus one I was like, you're by my side for the next like X amount of months until this goes over And we immediately spent like every single day together from this point on till today And it was like I basically shot that drill. I was like, I know you don't know me well But we're in lockdown now. I was like the world's about to end great angle. Yeah And we're gonna figure this out. Yeah, romantically. I know. So that's a crazy way.  She's been by my side. We've traveled the country. We've done a lot of incredible stuff She's a great girl.  I'm like, I'm like We're waking up at 3 a.m. Tomorrow. We're driving to San Jose. She's like, what? I was like, just don't ask questions. It's gonna be awesome Yeah, we're here now Ride or die, that sounds great. I like to hear that. So that's good. So only six months. So it's new in the relationship It's new man. Yeah, I'm realizing as I'm getting a little bit older And I'm definitely not like wise you guys got more experience than I do But I'm just realizing that you guys are old You're just a little bit wiser than I am. You guys all have families.  I was like, if the wind blows, I'm going with it and if she follows, I'm she You know, it's gonna be great Um, so I'm happy to have a girl by my side and uh, you know, it could be until the day that I die Or it could be until tomorrow. I don't really care. That's awesome. Dude, you're always a blast, bro It's always fun to have you come in Yeah, until next time, I guess but uh, again always fun to have you on I'll make sure that we put your your what you're donating or where people can go to help donate to your cause. I think that's a great Thanks, man. Thanks guys. I don't be here guys If you ever think to yourself like man, we should have government do more stuff go to the dmv Because that'll be a good a good reminder of why you don't just to find forms and fill them out and then go to different Locations within just one building. It's just a wonderful example of uh, just complete inefficiency and redundancy


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Hello and welcome once again to the rugged rockhound. Today I am here with Utah Rocks once again and we're at Topaz Mountain. This is a place both of us know very well. We've both been here many times and it's about time I made a video out here. Normally when I come here I'll go over into this area, the west end of the bowl, where you find Red Barrel Crystals, and it's the most commonly dug area. Today we both decided to go check out the V. So the V is a place I haven't been to in a long time. You can see it kind of makes a V over there in the valley. Right in the middle of the photo there, right above my hat. And we're gonna go look for some really good quality Topaz Crystals. You don't usually find Red Barrels over there. I did hear that somewhere up in the area you can find the zone with some Red Barrels.  Let's go to the V and look for some good quality Topaz Crystals. Okay, we are on our way hiking up toward the V. As we're hiking I figured I'd give a quick history of the geology of this area and talk about how you find the good pockets of Topaz out here at Topaz Mountain. So these hills that we can see around us, these mountains, are all volcanic layers of ash and flows of lava known as rhyolite. And this occurred about two to three million years ago. So at the time the mountains here kind of looked like what the Cascades in Washington are, where you've got volcanoes going off. And the volcanoes here deposited all these layers over hundreds of thousands of years worth of time building up into these mountains. And as it started to cool down, as they started to die off, hot water and gas from down in the earth where there's still magma, where it's still hot, slowly bring minerals up to the surface. And it just so happened that in this area the minerals, sorry, we're following the road, the minerals brought up were just sufficient to form Topaz and other minerals like red barrel, bixbyite, pseudobrookite, garnets, things like that, but mostly Topaz. So that's what you're looking for here is where those hot fluid systems and gases came up through the layers of rock to deposit here in the lava flow where you have gas bubbles. So obviously you want to find gas pockets, air bubbles where the crystals formed. But they don't form just everywhere. If you take a look out that way you'll see that some areas are lighter in color like a white. Other places look more red. So where it's red it hasn't really gotten ultra very much. The hot water and fluids and gases that came up didn't really go through those zones. So those are not a good place to look. You want to look in more white areas. Especially back there we can see the white areas. That's where you want to look because that is where the hot water and gases bleached the rock and that's a good place to find Topaz and other minerals. Now another thing you want to look for are what are known as vent structures. So this stuff came up somehow and where it came up it formed a series of bubbles all interconnected where it deposited the crystals. So when you're up here looking if you want to find a lot of good Topaz you don't want to spend a whole bunch of time just breaking rock and finding little gas bubbles in the lava that have a few crystals in it. You really want to find a vent structure and a vent structure can be anywhere but you'll know it because it'll be an area where the rock is softer and it's just a series of chamber after chamber after chamber usually bubbles that are bigger than the bubbles you normally see. Hey look Topaz crystal right there. Nice little clear one. Yeah that's a good size actually. Of course we're looking for the yellow ones which we'll have to dig for and another way that really helps you find these vent structures is looking at plants. So if you look at the trees and bushes in order for them to find a place to grow they need to find soil that's more loose that has open spaces maybe more sandy and guess what sometimes that's where the vent structure is so following the plants can help you get an idea of where you might find some crystals. All right we made it to the V. Here you can see this light colored white going through here this is the zone where we should find some good topaz. In the book it talks about this space this spot particularly but you can find anything all through here and even up this way too. So here's the zone it's up to us where we wanted to give it a shot. All right walking up a little further this might be promising maybe I can split some of that off and that looks like a good spot there I'm gonna check that spot really quick I didn't find much down there where I was looking came up here found this piece that had a fracture going through it and it is about to come off you can see the crack going all the way through it and I thought you might like to see it as it comes off slowly see if there's anything behind it nothing this is tiny air bubbles see unfortunate all right I've come up a bit further nice view out across the ball and came over here and I saw this there's a bush and there was a nice little kind of structure here and these were fairly loose so I figured I'd go ahead and pry them loose in the back when I was pulling some things out there were a few crystals mostly just sandy things but yeah that one's got some clarity to it and so I started pulling this out, this all collapsed so I'm probably gonna sift through that dirt for any crystals but these are about to go so let's film that anything in there would have fallen out into here so we'll have to check that it does look like there's some pockets along the side here comes this one down hill I just want it to stop right it's like mostly a bunch of tiny pockets let's see what's in here sandy crystal sandy crystal I'm gonna get very good clear stuff right here sandy crystal that was a little bigger can't tell if it's just all sandy though they might all be sandy but we'll clean them off to be sure they might actually be clear they're just covered in dirt and need to be washed off alright so we were over there two bridges over and it was just too sandy over there the crystals so we came over here to see if they were clear and they do seem to be clear and I found this rock that seems to have broken off naturally you can already see some of the exposed pockets and there was this exposed pocket and this is what I pulled out so far too bad that one wasn't still yellow but we've got some yellow stuff coming out and the pockets going that way let's see what we can find okay this is where I think we're getting to the edge because the crystals are all stuck to the side there was a loose rock right here and I broke it off and looked at the bottom of it I had a pocket right here right there so we'll see what I can find on that side alright broke another rock off and found that okay getting a little better been going along I've had a few different little places found a few little crystals not a whole lot I found this that was loose and popped it off and I pulled these two crystals out I'll get them cleaned up at home so you can see them but they're looking much better and I think I see a larger one right here that's about to come out there we go got it out it's really dirty I have to get it washed up walked up here I saw that and look at this wow that's some topaz alright gonna poke around and see if I can find a spot in here somewhere alright I've been hammering for a bit and I think this whole section is about ready to go I already got that part off okay set you up so you can watch as I knock it off there's a big pocket in the back there's a big pocket right here the question is is there anything in it because the crack was there and it might have escaped but we'll dig through it and see if we can find anything ho ho ho look at that that's a nice crystal another nice one in my hand there okay I'll put them on this little ledge here oh this could be good oh look at the size of that thing on the bottom too bad it's stuck alright we also got some other pockets around here too I might want a glove on just in case there's somebody living in there there's one alright I'm gonna put the camera down it's hard to do this holding it oh ho ho look at the size of that cluster that's what we're looking for oh that just made my day oh we'll get that cleaned off there we go what else we got in this pocket here oh there's one see I wish I would have brought a stick for digging there's one there it looks sandy though yeah this pockets really opening up see look at the size of that thing oh yeah there's a tip of one it's like the edge of the pocket with a few little crystals on it hey not sure if we can see that there's some crystals right on the side right there yeah there you go that's a good looking one right there oh yes there's a long one ah there's one heading back to the vehicle there's Utah Rocks right in front of me he has no idea what I found yet he doesn't know that I found that nice pocket so a little surprising that's so big that's gonna be cool when you get it cleaned up the pocket was very dirty because it was a crack in the back of the rock so the water got down with dirt those are big here's the big one look at that one that is big I was so happy I found that pocket and that'll be cool when you clean it next time we do choose to go up there I'll take you to that spot I was at it looked somewhat untouched because every now and then there was this exposed pocket that hadn't been touched we're gonna head out now it's time to get heading back it's Halloween gotta get the kids out and enjoying Halloween and it'd be nice to get back to my wife we can enjoy Halloween that is an interesting looking cloud with a comb or a hair brush with a bunch of hair on it made it back from Topaz Mountain got all the specimens cleaned off right here ready to show let's go ahead and take a nice good close up look at them here they are so we'll start with the sandy crystals this right here is the stuff I was pulling out when I was going sandy crystal yeah got quite a few of those unfortunately still they're kind of nice in their own way let's take a good look at all these here we have some of the smaller crystals that I pulled out at different places a lot of the little yellow ones even got some decent clear ones colorless and here's the nicer yellow ones I was pulling out of that pocket this was that big one right at the beginning put that out of the pocket it was nice and here are the clusters that I found so that one and that one and of course the really big one I was excited about it's a little sandy that's too bad but still overall pretty nice so that is what I found on this trip I've had better definitely had much better but overall it was a pretty good pretty good dig that is it for today's video I hope you really enjoyed it I had a great time at Topaz Mountain out with Utah Rocks sorry about the noise we're doing concrete over there and I hope to see you on the next video remember there's treasure everywhere


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Welcome to this session on Instant Multi-Cloud and how to make it happen. Does anyone, I guess, who thinks that's a major clickbait title? I love it. Well, at least we got your attention, right? I'd rather you be in this session than another one. That's the fact. So, let's get started. This is kind of what we'll cover today. There is going to be a demo. We're gonna try to not inundate you with more than roughly 10 to 12 minutes of slides and then walk you through what this could look like in a very simplified manner. I don't think if you have already experienced OpenShift in the cloud, Kubernetes at all, that you'll have any sort of mind-blowing moments through this presentation. But what we're showing you is the art of the possible with the fact that you can throw two of our managed service offerings together in different clouds and achieve some very interesting results. So, we will cover who we are, why multi-cloud may or may not be good for you, some things you might encounter that could be qualified as speed bumps on the way to trying to do something like this and things that might entice you or disentice you from doing this at all. This may not fit everyone. As with many things with cloud architectures, it might be good for you, it might be bad for you depending on what part in the journey you are for adopting cloud in general. If I'm not mistaken, our talk might be the least hybrid cloud of this conference and the most cloud native. And I'm not trying to be special, it's just that this fits a different customer profile than what Red Hat I think normally would be nudging people towards. We'll cover kind of a short part in here about some progress patterns which will cover sort of a timeline where you might be able to identify where you see your org in making progress towards a multi-cloud architecture. We'll cover the architecture itself that were described in the demo, we'll do the demo itself and summarize and hopefully have some time for Q and A. We have a good bit to cover though. So Jerome. So nice to meet all of you, my name's Jerome Buto. I've been at Red Hat for about 10 years and I'm focused on Azure Red Hat OpenShift.  And my name is Aaron DeYoung. I'm a product manager for Rosa. I've been with Red Hat for about two and a half years now. I am not a Boston local but I do like Nutella and the one thing I think we share in common is that not just Nutella but we happen to speak French but I don't think we'll be doing any of that today. So why would we wanna use multiple clouds? Let's get right into it. So everyone will have started their journey with one cloud over another. You more than likely have a specific set of strengths in that first cloud that you dove into. You will have secondary clouds that will feel very foreign the first time you dip in to the second cloud. Ideally by the time you've reached your third cloud it's all fair game for you and you've mastered the art and you don't need to be here listening to us but at least prepare yourself for the fact that it may be a slight shock to find out that things differ between your clouds. Other reasons why you might use more than one cloud at the same time is to take advantage of the simple things. Special features, strengths related to particular sizing of instances that might fit your workload really well. In other cases it's about expanding your map of resilience. You currently might look at a singular cloud or your private cloud as having just you've got your region and you've got your availability zones. Those are your three failure domains. Now you could argue you could expand that sort of capability to accommodate failures to a point where if you have enough failure domains and you know how to fail across them appropriately you might not even feel them at a certain level of scale. Now you could argue this could be for very large customers or for startups that are doing this fresh and throw fresh talent at it but I think nonetheless it's interesting to think that once you reach a certain level of scale there is a lot that you can accomplish. And then other reasons why you might use multiple clouds is something as simple as acquisitions. Some people want to go based on technological preferences, whatever have you. Let's be honest, that's what drives sometimes a lot of those choices. Any thing you want to add? I mean and obviously the commitment you have with a cloud provider, sometimes you commit to your committed spend and you're going to get this counts based on that and because of that you can decide this next workload or maybe a lot of my workload and you go somewhere and then the decision can change. Like it's not because today you make a choice to go somewhere that tomorrow your next decision can be somewhere else. I kind of like the analogy I've heard from someone once regarding single cloud. Having single cloud forever is a lot like eating at the same restaurant when more than five are within walking distance or on the same block, you're probably missing out if you're sticking to just one cloud. And some interesting stats among many, 70% of orgs are now at least multi-cloud and that includes hybrid, which is good news but that's a relatively high number especially given that it was a small grouping of customers. Onward, so why it might not be good for you? Do you want to go ahead? Yeah, so like we were talking about why you would but the reality is actually let's take a poll. How many people are using multi-clouds today? Bravo. So that's good and some people are but it's a minority. The reality is there's some complexities there. From an infrastructure standpoint you have to learn about all the clouds. You may have different teams that have these expertise. That's gonna take time to acquire that knowledge. There's also areas of lock-in but also flexibility that comes with multiple clouds. So like you use multiple clouds, you want that flexibility but you might already have that lock-in today because you have a commitment with the cloud and based on that cloud your operational excellence is gonna be a single cloud. In the future you may want to have more than one but you haven't been able to expand on that area. And the other part that sometimes is operational so you may have the vision of being able to multi-cloud but how do you get there? Where do you start? How do you think about it? Where do you think of like which team are gonna start going to that journey? Because it is a journey, you have to learn about the environment. And so sometimes that causes teams to just say you know what, this is too hard to start today. Even if sometimes regulators may say you need to have multi-cloud options but the reality is it may not be something you can do today. So have patience. This is the type of journey where you may be locked in due to things like compliance. And the fact is you may never unearth from that original cloud to move to more than just one. I would say any org maybe within the next 10 years is it would be probably, I think we could say it would be a surprise that they wouldn't be in more than one cloud within that time. And I think the one thing that is common from everyone I've at least spoken to just at Summit so far is that they are looking at more than just their private data center now. And so that tells me that the moment you make that step from private data center to the next cloud or even your first, you're effectively doing multi-cloud at that point. So could it be for you? Are your staff willing to expand their skill sets? This is a fair challenge everyone will need to fight with. If your current org is not ready, what will it take to make that happen? It's ideal to skill up your staff, not just for them to want to stay because you've invested in them but so that they can reinvest back into your company. Would existing silos slow down adoption? That's, I think everyone is battling with silos one way or another. There will be a convincing period where you've got silos that are not bought into doing cloud at all. I think the best way to show that there is success that will convince these teams is to have at least one team that has done it even in a POC format initially. That will give everyone kind of the hints that they need to realize, hey, that there's something to this and there's a lot to gain from going beyond just our private data center, going to cloud and then making that step to secondary cloud for all the benefits you can reap. Do you need scalability and capacity? Who, does anyone here not need scalability and capacity at this very moment in their org? It's okay, I'm really happy you guys didn't raise your hands on that one but that's the easy answer for most orgs. That's why we're all at this whole conference, I think. There's so much cloud coverage but this is about gaining scalability and capacity beyond where you're most comfortable and dare I say in some cases we can look within oneself sometimes and say perhaps complacent. We should try and reach beyond that and get to a point where we can leverage more than the tools that we're already comfortable with. Anything else? Yes, the other thing to keep in mind is when you do go on this journey be aware that at least at the beginning there's gonna be a learning experience that'll take place and so that initial team that has to figure out take the approach, figure out how this other cloud works may take a little longer but that cost, the initial cost is worthwhile because future adoption will be made easier. Absolutely taken into consideration that one cloud will have a certain set of compliances, another one will not and maybe the reason why you've not yet jumped over there go and communicate with them because the fact is if your workloads make sense to be in multi-cloud architecture or across more than one cloud at all, every cloud is willing to take your business as we all know but the fact is is if no one knows that you're trying to do it no one will try to help you do it either. So take advantage of the relationships that you can forge even just in this ecosystem of this conference alone and find someone from a cloud that will help you on your journey even in those first few steps. So it is easy to have your hands full, different tool sets. We've got so many options with Service Mesh today it makes my head spin. There is a cost to being, to having this much variety of options. It almost causes decision paralysis as we may already be familiar with just in a singular cloud. We at Red Hat always would argue that the development tool set will always matter. You should always ensure you've got a consistent experience for developers. There's been always this huge focus on operations but the developers that put those apps live are their lives matter as well. Absolutely, are there any devs at heart in the room? Good, I'm glad there's some representation. And the fact is is it's difficult to adopt new clouds if there is a diversity of tools. OpenShift is always pushing for that fact that it's got the consistent experience and wherever you can abstract away the underlying cloud's differences that would help teams with adopting a multi-cloud architecture. Some of the other ones here are very obvious. There are unique new sets of training and certification to deal with but it might sometimes even in regards to certifications or training, get some initial training. Some teams might not have the taste for saying oh, I've been certified in AWS already. Why should I certify in Azure now? Well, the fact is you can train up to near that cert but the investment to the cert itself maybe find out when that's important for you rather than investing in it right away. Gaining the knowledge now is great but it may change by the time your teams are ready to actually certify. Anything else? I think you covered quite a bit of the complexities that you might perceive initially until you get going. Yeah, so some goals to aim for and some of these are absolutely maybe a little bit hand wavy and in some cases we have still found with interactions with some customers are not quite as common sense as some of us think who work with it on the day to day. We would say to avoid decision paralysis look for a consistent platform, hint, hint, nudge, nudge, right? Kubernetes and automation together will address infrastructure complexity by abstracting it. If you're already working with Kubernetes, congratulations, you've abstracted infrastructure enough so that you can get applications in the cloud. Now we're gonna argue through our demo you can take it a step further. Are there any others that are not there but? And some of this is like you should set a goal for the initial team. So I think of this as a goal setting like you wanna learn about the infrastructure, learn about the environment. What are the important components that you want to have to be the same and which ones you're willing to be different? And going back to what we were talking about earlier what are the things you wanna take advantage of in each of these clouds? Is it about the services are unique in this cloud? Is it about the ecosystem? Is it about the instance types? Whatever these things are that you think are important make that list that you identify these as the things that you need to learn about as you start that journey. If you have access to a turnkey platform, thousands of hours have been invested into making it work, run and operate. Take advantage. That is the beauty of the open source platforms that have been built and put together. Take advantage of turnkey platforms. You may not be looking at, you know, Rosa or ARO right away. But if you can get used to and get accustomed to running AKS, GKE and EKS all in, you know, symphonic fashion, you're one step closer to honestly being right away multi-cloud right there and taking advantage of all the benefits that could be available to you. So beyond goals, I would just like to point out that Red Hat's presence in the primary cloud providers is essentially solidified at this point. I'm sure we can obviously always make some improvements. But I think maybe there's some underlying message with us making the on-premise one so tiny versus the logos, right? But nonetheless, you can trust in the fact that we have an open shift that can satisfy you in the three clouds plus one. Here's where we're gonna cover sort of the cloud progress pattern. There's three slides here. And essentially the pattern here is to get a look at where you might be on this journey. And what you see here is there's this section way left where you see in the red, you know, when you're in your on-prem data center. And on the far right, you've reached second cloud and then somewhere in the middle you're in your first cloud part of the journey. Now, this is not by all means a one size fits all scenario but it is something that we've observed some customers go through and through a lot of data gathering we can kind of figure out this tends to be what people hit and what some people trip on and some things where some people could improve. There are, so the three that I was talking about there's the good, there's the rough and there's the better. The rough, I would like everyone to just have a quick gander and say, am I in any of these red blocks? The one that I think I want to pick on the most is the lift and shift. How many of you have heard that muttered in your org before? Did it bother you? So, I don't think it matters which partner I talk to or which customer I talk to. At the end of a lift and shift everyone is generally unhappy. When you're doing a cloud, a multi-cloud progress sort of journey if you will, ideally you don't do a lift and shift, ideally. I admit that's a little hand wavy. Ideally you don't do a lift and shift. You need strong chops in automation and pipelines. You may already know this, like I said this isn't a mind-blowing presentation it's kind of re-solidifying what we've seen and just sort of representing what we think everyone should try to aim for. You've reached multi-cloud once you've done on-prem plus first cloud. Let's call it that, let's give yourself a buzzword and pat on the back. By the time you've hit second cloud you've arguably hit cloud maturity because you've dealt with the abstractions of going from one cloud to the next. The benefits you see here I think speak for themselves in that some of the stuff up top is about serverless and innovation time that's extra time that you've gained hopefully as a result of not getting stuck in the cruft of what happens in this kind of timeline. I really hope none of you have to deal with the hell that could be considering reverting to on-prem. If that's something that you did, that's fine. It may not be the journey for everyone. We're not gonna scold you but the fact is is it would be horrible to have wasted all that effort. There's many ways to hopefully avoid that. This whole crash and burn scenario could be worse, could be a lot better but I think the message is relatively clear. Good is good but there's still no time for innovation because you're still busy with familiarizing by your second cloud and better is better because let's be honest, you have two product managers from Managed OpenShift. We're suggesting you get Managed OpenShift along the way so we're honest here but the fact is if you've taken away the operational overhead, you've been left with the time to do other things, ideally. Do you wanna speak to Divert? Well I was just gonna note something on the previous slide. The beauty about OpenShift, it gives you that consistent platform. So I saw like the other patterns required to relearn every time you go different cloud. By using that consistent pattern, consistent experience, the developer can deploy the same application in one environment and then the next environment without having to learn new skills or minimal new skills. And so that gives it that both accelerates the time to get to multiple clouds and also makes it easier to get there. So just in the interest of time I kinda wanna bubble over these really quick and get to our demo. So the fact that you could use a Managed Platform to divert operations burden from teams, I think everyone understands that there's a benefit there. The whole point of this is we want to encourage that cluster provisioning, putting a Kubernetes platform in the cloud should become boring. You might think, well, shouldn't it be exciting? For some of us who are hardcore nerds, yes, it'll always be exciting. You put a cluster of bits together that happen to make other bits work together. It's fantastic. But the act of provisioning multiple clusters and operating them should become back of the hand easy. Very quick, simple, boring. Because then you can focus on that innovation time and focus on making developers' lives easier. Some would argue multi-cloud needs a complex architecture. Not always. That is essentially the thesis of us getting to the demo. Another item I just wanna quickly harp on is think automation and pipelines instead of migration. If someone says migration, make that a bad word in your org. Migration is from the days when we had VMs to move between hypervisors. The cloud doesn't need that anymore. You've heard the terms cattle, not pets. This is that mindset and sort of culture shift that you need to perhaps encourage in your orgs for this kind of scale adoption. So next time you speak to your groups, your teams, and someone says migration, maybe you say, hey, let's stop using that word here and then instead think of automating deployments, pipelines, and for those that simply must be migrated, take it with a grain of salt, I guess. We're gonna move on to our demo. We put it into video format because we understand the wifi here could be unreliable, but this is in short the, as general sort of bubble-like architecture, we can show you for what this is. Essentially it is our OS toy application, which you may have seen other demos from Red Hat do, that is deployed via a pipeline, which happens to be GitHub actions, and it deploys its image to Quay. Quay then, upon deploying with the GitHub action, sends the image to whichever cluster I want to deploy to. In the end, I've got any sort of solution here that can load balance the access to the apps across the three clusters. This is a very basic multi-cloud architecture. Could be adopted for some very simple applications and prove the point in a proof of concept to your org that this is indeed possible. And if Azure has a bad day or AWS has a region outage or Google happens to be doing something funny with DNS, I can rely on the other two clusters keeping my app up. Now, before this sounds too hand-wavy, this kind of works better if you've got stateless applications, AKA ones that don't need persistent volumes, so that the persistence has to be synchronized across the clouds. That is still something that across the cloud providers is still considered relatively a dark art replicating data between regions. This is why people sometimes come up with funny concepts like doing a stretched open shift cluster I was reminded today. These things are scary. Let's try not to encourage that kind of pattern. Let me move right to the demo here. I do wanna put some thanks to the two gentlemen who helped us build the demo environment and prepared the video with us so that we could show this to you exactly what it looks like. That's August Siminelli and Garav Mida. This is the GitHub Actions Pipeline. The first part of the deploy is a GitHub Actions Pipeline that is prepared for building and pushing to Quay deployment to a Rosa cluster that is considered the dev environment and then later on in the deployment to a production Rosa environment. So this moves forward and within a matter of seconds you can move applications in a pipeline fashion like this between multiple different clusters. So over here, this is the Rosa cluster that we're showing and if in case the branding happens to go in the way and go away on the upper left, we will show it in the OS toy application which can tell which distribution of managed OpenShift we're running. You can also try to discern it from the URL if your eyes are 2020. So the developer application now that it's deployed it's on the way for being deployed. We would trigger it by running the workflow in GitHub Actions a little here. So here it's building and pushing to Quay. That takes a couple of minutes. I'm gonna scrub it forward so that we're not waiting for the build to occur. But here we're starting to see it show up on the Rosa cluster. The entire deployment believe is only two pods. Yes. And then you can see we've got a service. A route will be created, open up the route and you'll see the OS toy application show up currently running on the Rosa cluster. So this is the dev or the prod environment. The same application is going to be pushed to production. So we're gonna look at the production cluster. Here's where we're sort of doing in GitHub Actions you can do an approve and deploy to the production environment. This is the Rosa prod cluster. The deployment is coming in as a result of the action right now. OS toy comes in exact same application deployment. Here it is running on Rosa in the prod environment. Now the next step is to kick it into ARO. I've decided my environment in Rosa is great. I wanna take advantage of the fact I recently procured ARO at some sort of discount. Maybe there was a sale. And then all of a sudden I wanna just plug it into the new cluster. And that would be going into the GitHub Actions pipeline and you'd need to pre-authenticate that cluster with your pipeline so that what you can do is do something like this where you choose which cluster you're going to. Put in your looks good to me. Release it now, release the hounds. Approven deploy and we're moving on to our ARO environment. That is this one here. After a few seconds it shows up in the ARO cluster. Route shows up for it as well. We see OS toy running on ARO. The exact same app deployed within mere minutes to three different clouds. We're at two so far, we will get to the third. Here's our GCP deployment. Same deal, pick the cluster. Put in the message that says things are going and approve and deploy. This environment moves forward into Google Cloud. Here it is building. Route is created and just there before we refreshed there's our OSD app. So this is OSD you're on GCP. We now have within minutes and even though I was scrubbing this whole video is only six minutes long was recorded in real time. So you can effectively deploy the same app to three different clouds in an under 10 minute span.  Now there's always gonna be that prep to take into account for but the fact is I have a consistent OpenShift cluster in all three clouds and I've deployed the app and at this point it's autopilot and you leave it, if we're gonna throw some grenades over the wall which is a faux pas but it's a bit funny to use sometimes. If the apps are running at this point I'd love to see one cloud go down and then suddenly I'm still live. So as the load balancer refreshes we'll start to see here that every time you refresh we can sometimes see a different cloud every time. As you can imagine this needs to be stateless again in order to accommodate something like this. If you wanna go stateful you have to engineer some sort of replication solution but that is all three clouds behind the same sort of load balancer and I believe in this case they were using front door. That's right, front door has a gateway to direct to any of the clusters. You could use cloud front, cloud flare, et cetera, F5 and achieve the same thing. So nobody's mind should be blown, everyone keep it together. Fact is we've exemplified that this is not witchcraft, a dark art, it's not incredibly complex anymore. I think it's safe to say in this day and age that achieving multi-cloud is realistic. I'm just gonna bring back our presentation here. I think I know where you're going. It absolutely could, it's just another way of achieving it. You could have Ansible event-driven automation do these deployments for you. You could have Ansible without event-driven automation do these deployments for you. You could have Ansible do this instead of GitHub. It is up to some preference here, right? You're pointing, this is the simplicity of showing that you can do this by using, please, not the term migration, but by automating your deployments into pipelines or whatever have you so that you can get the same app deployed everywhere. Let's say this is something a little more weird and very weird like OpenShift releases version five and everyone's like, oh crap, what do I do now? By the way, that's not happening as far as we understand. It's not a matter of migrating to new cluster versions. It's a matter of redeploying with pipelines. So I think if anything, the major takeaway is if you're not comfy with automation and pipelines, that is your next step to getting into multi-cloud. I'm just gonna advance this forward to some other points that we wanted to cover here. We did cover this architecture a little earlier, but in its simplest form, this is what we've achieved, getting your app from your end to the platform so that it serves your customers. Engineered correctly, avoiding migration as much as possible. This is effectively what you can achieve just as well. Could it be as little as two clusters? Yes, maybe you don't need the grand lavish scale of having three clouds under your arm and you simply need two clusters in different clouds for various reasons. Maybe there's certain GPU models that your app works better with on Azure. Maybe there's certain scale or network capabilities on AWS that you need specifically for certain apps. Sure, but at the same time, there was always some apps that you could scale across multiple clouds and take and reap in the benefits. Any, you wanna add to this one? I mean, we obviously think OpenShift is a great solution, but if you don't go with OpenShift, there are other ways, but to Aaron's point, the pipelines really are the tool that's gonna help you get there because that really creates abstractions that you can direct it wherever you want. I think at this point, I think the message is relatively clear, make migration your anti-pattern. This is more of the art of the possible rather than what you've currently dealt with regarding complexities. I think we're pretty good with what we've covered and if we'd like to dive into Q and A, that's entirely fine, I'd love to. And there's some other talks from other members of the cloud services team I wanted to highlight as well that are worth visiting. So I guess if you wanna go, you can, but if you wanna do some Q and A, we're open to that in the corner. Where are the load balancers running? So that's using Azure Front Door and Azure Front Door is an Azure service which allows you to load balance into any of the clouds. So it's actually running in Azure and then redirects to any of the clusters. Yeah, you probably use something different. I mean, it can be as simple as DNS that just directs to different URLs, different places or as complex as some other load balancer that you can implement yourself. Yeah, if you're relying on the OpenShift routes, then that is still each cluster has its own route that you're forwarding the end game load balancer to. Some people call this global load balancing. At some point, you need to choose one cloud or one service somewhere that will aggregate all of your endpoint clusters. At some point, you may have an affinity to one cloud for a particular service by all means. You may have certain reasons to choose one over the other. There were some other questions, yes? Yes, so databases are a unique scenario. You could, in some cases, rely instead of, I mean the pattern that a lot of orgs will use is, yes, as you say, rely on a database. But if you take that a step further and look at consuming, for example, a cloud offering or it's a managed database and they handle scaling it to whatever capacity you need, or use the larger offerings from the clouds that give you nearly infinite database operations per second that could accommodate having one database be back here with your app that feeds all situations, that is one way you could accommodate that. That is not quite the same as having applications that are stateful, so that's a differentiator. Stateful applications is insinuating that I deploy something on my Azure cluster, for example, and that singular app instantiation has its own persistent volume living in that cluster which immediately deviates from the state of the same app in this cluster and this cluster. That is why you would need a replication layer for that data, for persistent volumes. Databases are the unique situation where you could sort of navigate around that. So that was a good question, thank you. They're all good questions, frankly. Any others, yeah? So just for our example, Rosa was the first one. It could have very well been swapped in any which way you want. I could have had arrow been my first deployment and then it was simply my choice because I've been, maybe arrow was my first cloud. And then I've chosen to make arrow, for example, my production environment and then I started to do dev environments in AWS in Rosa and then I chose to expand those off to other clusters, right? In some scenarios, people are doing not large multi-tenant clusters but they might be doing small clusters for a small set of apps, right?  Any others? Yeah. Do I have the YAML file for the action? I could probably get it, yeah. Yeah, GitHub actions are really nice because it's very close to your source code. Infrastructure as code is a beautiful thing. Anyone who agrees that infrastructure as code is a beautiful thing? And if you've not figured it out yet, have a read into it because the fact is that is another gateway to making this more possible. Any other questions? Yes. Did you both? I think it depends on organizational structure. For things like this, I think having advanced classroom manager that give you a single pane to see all the clusters is really helpful but in some cases some customers don't have that knowledge or haven't implemented those things. So it kind of depends and in our case it's just easier to just have each different clusters that we can show you the different clusters but it depends on what you want at the entry point. I'm just quickly throwing this up here because I promised marketing I would do this. Fact is there's a lot of benefit to doing as you've seen proof of concepts for environments like this. Take advantage of the fact that you can rejig subscriptions into consuming cloud services and see if this works for you, all right?  Are we allowed to have that much of a discount? Okay. Wow. This is for ARO or ROSA. I hope, I think that's it. Yeah, great. I hope you guys have enjoyed it and we'd be happy to talk afterwards if you wish. Have a great summit. Thank you.