It is Monday, January 9th, 2019. We've got a full board and Cheryl Katrina. Well, what do we have? So, let's go ahead and start for the first piece of paper. Okay, I just have a couple questions on behalf of the library. As we're getting ready, Tom, did you feel it was really close? Yeah. So, you'd asked us to put together a presentation. Yeah. And we're wondering, are we doing a pre-town meeting? Town meeting? I was thinking, oh, full, if we could, yeah. Okay. How long do you want us to be? We could go on for a while. And we have a lot of time between now when the meeting ended in lunch. What do you think would be appropriate? I mean, there's a good, well-informed presentation without putting people to sleep. You know, just getting too didactic. Well, I guess that brings up a question of what content do you want us to cover? You said you want a budget and kind of sketches. So, we have a couple of design plans. Design nights plans. We can talk about the community engagement we've done and what we've heard from people who've done focus groups and surveys. I think that's very important. Yeah. Anything else you want us to cover? I don't think so. I think there'll be a lot of questions as well. Right. What will be more discussion? You know, what is this? Why are we doing it? What are the benefits? What are those type of things? And we'll be putting on the presentation, but some of that stuff, I'm sure, we'll have some answers to as well. But, yeah, I think those are the things that we would be, you know, people interested to find out. Okay. On the survey, I would like to hear in addition to what people said, numbers. So, if you can quantify this. You've got that. Thanks. Will there be a projector on the screen? I mean, I'm thinking like a power plug. Yeah. That would be more effective. We have in the past, we can figure something out. Okay. I have, yeah, I actually, in fact, I have a projector on a screen and I use representation that we have that we can use. Okay. That would be great. We would like to request that we're not in our business at the end of the agenda when everyone gets hungry. Well, actually, I'm not sure how that, the statue and where things, you know, and where is this. Do you know on that, Cheryl, how that would fall? How many? Yeah. No. Pre-tell me. Pre-tell me what you can do. Pre-tell me. Pre-tell me what you can do. That's my origin. Right. But how many are it falls? Yeah. You can have, you can ask them to introduce. At any time. Yeah. All right. It's not really an article that they're talking about. It's not inviting. It's just informational. All right. So, you know what, maybe what we'll do is what we have, and usually the local reps come in. Maxime and you know, our new one. Whatever. When they come in, it's good. You know what, maybe that's been all I'll enter. Use you. How's that? Okay. Sounds good. I think it's really up to the moderator too. All right. We'll speak. Yeah. We'll speak at the forum. Whatever wishes are there. Usually it goes along with it. Okay. Great. One other thing which is that Sculpture School and Green Mountain Valley School approached us and offered to make some furniture for us. We were thinking of using that. It's totally free. Corey's starting a green and play program at the Town Hall. And we were thinking we might use it for that. And I wanted to be sure that we wouldn't be, that that would be okay with everyone. How big is it? Well, we don't know. We haven't defined the scope of it. But we can make it something that, you know, it's for kids, something like a toy chest or little chairs and table or something. But it could be something that we would leave in the Town Hall. And if we have an event coming up and we need to pull it out, we can. So nothing. Right. Huge. Right. Yeah.  You know, we need the plans if they, if you see something, you say, oh my God, come back and talk with us. Okay. But, you know, let's, I think we can all just comment. They're going to help us look at this face and talk to Corey. So, you know, she can tell them the scope of what we're looking for. But just want to make sure that wouldn't be a problem. Did you say sculpture to school and what? It's a greenout balance. Thank you. Yeah. And again, yeah. Free custom library furniture. So they're doing a project. And we're a client. That's awesome. Yeah. All right. That's it. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Do you need me to sign in somewhere? No. Thank you. As I don't see any other public comment, I'll, Martin is not here. What do you guys think? Should we bring a, Sharlene's here? Do you want to start with her? Yeah. Sharlene, why don't you roll on up? Let's take a look at the budget. Does everyone have the latest budget printed today? One seven? I believe we start on page five. All right. So let's look at the pay. So what does that? So it's 7,200 or $7,500 difference. The difference is per discussion and second session. That was, there was no motion made in the minutes on five, seven only for this year, but it did not reflect the discussion that we had. Which share to share. We're not really supposed to discuss it. Oh, that's yeah. That's why I haven't mentioned anything because we're not supposed to discuss the executive sessions. I'll go with executive session. All right. So let's go ahead and move into executive session. What is your foot down for the reason? Well, it's going to be number three. Yeah. Okay. All right. I'm sorry. I'm going to make a motion to help. I'll make a motion to help the second dude. Thank you. Hang on. That was you. I'm just coming out. And so we will take action. John, do you want to make a motion? Sure. Make the motion. That. Increase. Pay like $2 an hour. $2575 per hour. Which will give her an annual. As down for $22,848. And treasure is $10,700. $12. What it is on that? No. No matter what you do. All right. So we'll go ahead and move on with the budget later. So let's show them. I think we are set with you. Okay. But thank you very much. Hey, Mark.  Sorry about pushing you back a little bit. Dave Wendell will move right along. Are you tired? Well, I heard that actually the other day. I sent you home. So let's get a couple of things. Let's go ahead and start with the pickup. Yeah. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So to speak of the vehicle and the construction part of the vehicle. So. So. So. So. So. So. So, So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. Stewart did get into the pick up that we have now relatively cheaply at the time that he did. It hasn't been a perfect fit for us by any means, doesn't best fit our needs, but it wasn't an expensive unit. I would ideally like to have a one ton dump with a tailgate sander. That would allow us some flexibility in the winter to actually have a pick up so that we can dump the sander salt off and we still have a pickup body that we can use as well as a small dump truck. So you wouldn't be able to get a little bit more material on that. However, that does boost the price up. The ballpark figure is going to be 25 to 30 for the equipment. So we're looking at 70,000. That's coming down a little bit depending on trades. I haven't gotten any warm and fuzzies from anybody. I'm going to trade one for you if you want. Nothing's not very much there, but we'll deal with that when we choose a manufacturer and we either force their hand into a dollar amount or sell that for other than the board designs. So that's kind of what we're looking at. We could probably shave 70,000 to 9,000 off of that by maybe going with another polycaster and another plow. I wouldn't want to keep the polycaster. We have now simply because all the electric components are very weak at this point. The drive motors, the spinner motors, the almost components are pretty much wore out at this point. It was almost bomb proof for four to four and a half years in the last three have been orally nightmarish. So I'm on the electronics part. So that's kind of why I would like to stay away from that side of things. So I think 70 to 72,000 maybe to be safe. Obviously we come in more than that. That's great. That's what we're looking at. So this would be a 1.5 ton chassis with a 1 ton dump. This would be just a regular 1 ton dump. The Ford doesn't make the 550. I haven't been able to get a quote from Ford yet. So actually I did some delegating. Sean and Rodney did some calling around to get these figures and they both contacted the Ford dealership. And as of today, they haven't gotten back to us yet. So I still want to get a quote from Ford because I think they may be the cheapest for the best drive. Doesn't GMC need a ton and a half or something? The 3,500? Yeah. No. Yeah. No, I believe that's a one ton. International and it now makes the Chevy International combo. But that price tag was closer to 100 grand. I think Dodge has a 55. Yeah, Dodge has one. What's the advantage of a one and a half ton? It just makes your suspension carrying capacity. How useful is that to you? It would be useful. Again, I think we need to be cautious about how long we're planning on keeping this. The best intention is to have a rotation plan and stick to it. This pickup has been a great asset to the town. But it has costless of money here in the last few years. Why don't we have that in 2011? Do you think this one might wear a little bit better? I think we could expect to get seven to eight years out of it. Six might be the safer bet just to keep a trading value possibly on it. The first two to three years of this truck lifespan, it wasn't undercoded. Maybe it wasn't taken care of as well as it could have been. It just dropped. It was just someone else put on it. So yeah, I think there's things that can be done to help with that. But we saw all these wins. Any other questions on that? There is a maintenance schedule in place now, though. It would extend the lives of the truck probably, compared to what that one had. The only thing that we would have to implement now would be undercoating.  But the undercoating would be a big service in the first three years. You're going to get your most bank-free buck. And when it's the cleanest before the rust is taken hold. So other than that, the status quo is going to be washed periodically. This pickup was, by design, had a poly hopper. So the way it was loaded was a lot of salt getting between the body and the cab of the truck. It would get a one-time dump. It would have a headboard that would catch that. That would keep that salt from being trapped into the frame of the truck and whatnot. So I think, yeah, there would be some benefits to that that could extend the life of it. Again, saying I wouldn't want to say that we're going to get 80 years out of this truck because I think it could be a mistake to push it that long. I think it would just cost us money in the long run. Look at that. I'll be going that way. I'd like to tell you about it. I just know, from my experience, that people overload them. So if you could maintain, not overload them, that would last a long time. They get a one-time truck and they think it's a three-time truck. And they put asphalt on. They make it right up because they want to make that one truck. They don't make two of them. But I trust it. Yeah, we do. Don't tell us that. Nature is the least. All right. Any other business as far as the pickup or the like accident? The only other thing I had was the grader. I didn't know where the board was on the budget. Ideally, if we're going to repair the grader, I'd love to get it sent out the next couple weeks so that that repair could be taken place when we hopefully won't need the grader and we would have it back in time for my season or push it sometimes back. But it is a big ticket item. How much? Yeah, it was... I know it was on budget. Yeah. The main reason is for that, the hand of the seal. That was a $14,000 repair. The rest of it is basically may or may not be billable but we put it in there for checking turbo injectors, fuel pump components in the front end, basically an A1 inspection of the grader while they have it there. So it could easily be, you know, $18,000 and we're very lucky or maybe it ends up in $30,000 or not. You know, it's really hard to tell with those things but ideally I would get it sent down sooner than later. So the repair could be happening while we're not using it. Well, we should know that tonight. The other question, what about the excavator? And we're putting allocated $10,000 on that. Yeah. You think that's... That's basically the way I'm looking at that is a one-month rental for a machine and a final drive repair on the other side that we didn't do last year. You know, I mean, I think that's what we've got to do if it doesn't happen then it doesn't happen, but... We need that to happen. Yeah. I mean, we could certainly less either. Take some of that away but we'd definitely roll on the dice. The large increase in the gas diesel oil, I thought diesel was actually going down. We went over budget this year. My reasoning was with Stephanie going full time, there would be actually probably more hauling and more equipment so the fuel budget would continue to go up. The forecast that I had heard at the time of the budget was that the fuel prices were going up. They have since seemed to be heading in the other direction but at the time that it did my budget, which was October, November, the forecast were for fuel prices to expire up and I think of that. Do you know why the gravel usage in the actuals didn't so much? Basically because the only line item that I could really rob from was a lot of people that they follow. So not using as much as we would have. Correct. Yeah. As a sand, we need to cheap that. We can cheap a lot of the soil with it all down but it's not a lot of work to do here. So, I think speaking of the sand, so the price in your budget, does that include the trucking of the sand? Yes, that won't include the, if the pricing stays relatively the same, that included the 4,000 yards that was trucked in of course this year, which I understood was what we were going to continue to do as long as we got the favorable pricing. I think so. Oh yeah. We should be firing it out. Anything else on the budget? I think it would be good. I've talked about this, I've heard about it in the budgeting workshop that I went to, Watesfield just talking about how they did like an open house, so they would invite kind of people in so they can see what the vehicle looks like. Check out some of the other stuff.  Like half an hour to move all their stuff out to get back in, and they actually videotaped it and put it out there so that people can see it. So if you see something and you understand it more, you can say, like, I understand why. Instead of being like, oh, I don't know. I'm hoping to any suggestion. I think even in events, where you benefit, I mean, certainly not in this truck idea, but with the morphest when you have all your stuff out and that's kind of our open house with getting people like that and showing what we have. You guys done with the budget with Martin? A couple other really quick questions. Do you plan on keeping the old pickup? Keep mileage off? Do you need to trade it in as bad? It's an option, I guess. I guess without getting it, we have to wait and see what we get for trading. Dollars. I guess the only other choice would be a right sale, which would be a crapshoot. When you get to that point, what I wanted to do was get the best price for the truck. And then just ask them to give you a cash value. What would you pay me for the truck? Actual cash value. Not a trade-in. Visual seat, thousands of dollars. Cash value. Ideally no because the mileage isn't what's hurting the truck. It's really not. It's not the mileage that is high on this truck. It's the wear and tear. When you get to that point, they're worth a few thousand dollars no matter what they are. Another thing I have was Sean mentioned a couple of times he plowed for a road in front of his head which is still an issue. He's almost been flooded there a couple of times this winter. Just he can't see. He plows 12 feet in front of his truck. So he's basically in the street before he can even begin to see vehicles coming. So for safety-wise, something needs to be done there. I mean, we've kind of worked with Frank in the past on that, I think. And he has not had, you know, branches. Right. But that's all in the town right away. Right? Is there any room for a convex mirror on the other side of the road? Probably the state permission. So Marsh is in the town right away? It's a seat or a hatch. So basically you can't see through it. When we talked about when he swore, he hasn't done anything.  Cut what you think you need to cut. Just do it. Yeah, I think so. We've worked with him long enough in trying to work with him and he has not done anything. So just cut what you need to cut. Let him know first, but not as a question. Yeah, just let him know. I'll reach out to him first, I guess, before we do anything. If he gets too heated, I'll direct it to the board. Thank you. I'll do it the right of way. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So the other thing I did want to bring up, and I'm glad, actually, our school people are here, is whatever happened at the incident at the school of the plow. So Linda, Dave, if you want to kind of open your ears just a bit as we're talking about this, there was an incident recently. I believe it was mid to early December. No, it's November. I don't really know. It's November, yeah. The time of November. We got a bill. When was the bill? We got a call from Ray Daniel. That's how we found out about it. And they're saying that there was going to be an invoice coming to fix two columns that were damaged during snow blowing. Snow blowing, snow removal, whatever. So can you share what you know about this? Well, you guys knew about it the same time I did because I didn't know anything about it to Cheryl or Katrina Coffee. So I asked that and he knew nothing about it. I came up. I don't know if I did it that exact day, but I came up and looked at the damage. And I'm looking at it and I just don't see how he would have done it with where he would have had to have been sitting with the tractor and everything to do it. I talked to Greg at that point and he was like, well, yeah, I was like, is there a reason that it's a month down the road that we're finding out about this? And he was like, yeah, that's my fault. So basically as long as I said, well, I said I can't prove we didn't do it, but there's cameras on the building. Do they show there? And he's like, I don't know if they shot in that far. I said, well, maybe we should check. Like I said, I can't prove that he didn't do it, but I do know I've seen teachers backed up to that door. I've seen Greg backed up to that door. I've seen numerous vehicles backed up to that entrance way. So it's just as likely that a teacher backed into it so I just find the whole thing somewhat suspicious that it would, you know, we wouldn't hear a thing about it until a month. That's why I said December and that's why emails were coming in December. It was really weird to me. Well, that's definitely one of the things that happened. Exactly. Yeah, Steph is definitely not perfect, but he has never tried to hide anything that he's done. So I think if he had done it, he would have told me the minute that he did it. Right. He's a kind. He's pretty self-conscious. He's not going to try to hide from somebody like that. So that's where we're at. I'm just hearing, I didn't hear it in our last meeting. So today I went over to the school. I tried to get an appointment with the principal there. I wanted to try to figure this out. But should we, I mean, what is your advice on this gate or where is how this should be handled? I'm not sure. It's not a matter that was brought to the school board's attention. What was it that was said to be damaged? If you go over there, in fact, there's a couple of pictures here. There's the columns that... On the front entry. What is that called? One of them on the right-hand side of the door if you're going in. We'll see it at the bottom. There's a little piece that's not attached anymore. What grade is this made of? 1100. We go to school every day and we didn't see it. I'm just going to play you with Chase's mom talking about that. There you go. I mean, they went ahead and got a quote on it. Before they even got it. Before they even got it. You have no trouble hearing that video safe in the past. I moved the door and pointed directly out. Yeah. See where the rug is, where Amanda's on this? It's like the entry. Let's sort of right open the door. So would the best idea be to talk with Mandy the principal first? Yeah, well that's what I'm going to try to do. I didn't request the video from that. Right. But I'm not concerned that Ray Dagle would send us an estimate for $1,200 or whatever it was. Well, you can look at the emails are in there as well. Without really talking to us about it. I'm saying that an invoice would be followed. Right. That would be the evidence or letting us know so it could be inspected. It would have to be. I inspected the column. I saw no yellow paint from our snow blower front. I'm not saying there's no way for me to prove that he didn't do it. I just don't see how it was possible. There was a huge amount of frozen snow. That would have made it possible for me to get to that point. But again being a month, month and a half ago, I don't know if it was still, if it was there at that time or if it wasn't or not. So I don't, we just don't know. But like I said, I have seen teachers rakes back up to that door. Rakes back up to that door. And I don't have a lot of faith. Quite frankly, Greg's word based on his, he was double dipping us with his mowing and churning us for hours. And we treated the school this past summer that we caught. So I don't have a lot of faith in the man. And no one actually saw it happen either. That's it. Well, I guess that, well the thousands possible before I guess is ultimately out there. You guys in the town of Turner, typically if one was claiming them, one should have some evidence that the man could have caught the person's kid in the pill. But I mean that's a, there are video cameras all over that school in order to resolve issues just like this one. And so I think it would have been, what they recorded them would have to think as a public actor as well. So a sensible way to get at it. I mean they know roughly the day of the. Well, Greg's, yeah, he said he was there doing that. He has his date. So yeah. He said he saw stuff. Or actually he turned around. It was done. The stuff was there. So yeah. Okay. Well, I mean, if any part of that building has a video camera on it's the front door. Yeah. So I think this ought to be easily resolved. Unfortunately, that's all I. No, good. I just wanted, and I'm glad you were here so you know. So we'll keep you informed. But I will try. That would be helpful. Again, I'll go over with. They were tomorrow. They suggested to stop and send her an email. She wasn't into this afternoon. We'll start there and then, you know, we'll keep you informed of. Okay. I think everybody, we appreciate your partnership and maintaining that piece of territory, which has always kind of had a funny overlap over just the building. You guys have been really terrific about assisting us with snow removal. I think we don't want any bad feelings among the town. So let us know how it turns out. I guess. Yeah. We could, you know, you know, I could ask the board to vote to ask that video. The truth is that isn't. Let's start. Let's start right here. I think she'll be fine. I mean, I don't, she may not even know, I don't know what Andy's knowledge of the whole incident is, but it's just, I mean, we should have hopped on earlier, but you know what, we're, you know, we're the long-tier board that gets together a couple of times a month. Sure, sure. So. Okay. Well, hopefully that there's somebody to hang out there, but what was all this, K-book? That. I'm sure. I'd say, and that's a great place to start as a commanding. Yeah. Here. And it has not come before. Thanks for having us. Yep. We'll be right with you. I appreciate you guys coming. Thanks. What are your stuff? Yeah. Another, it's very, I don't know how the rest of the board chills up on this, but if you're in a position where you have to not put down a graph and you might put down because you go over, you can come in and talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. Because we might rather you do. Work. It's something, yeah. And if they have the time to do it. Well, yeah. And sometimes out of the money, it's going to do another thing another time, but yeah. There's, as we just talked earlier, we have a lot of infrastructure as a town. So, that's what we're trying to maintain. We put a little amount into that. That's, I'll be good to mention. Anything else for mine? Everybody? Oh. Sure. I was wondering, if you had already talked to some of the board about the safety concerns with Sean, Robin, Lane? I haven't. The way Sean has reiterated to me, I guess it's been very uncluttered up there lately. So, I think it's been dealt with. We've been having issues with the parking on Lover's Lane. Again, I was down there. It was last week. And days all run together, I don't know. But, standing in there was, as long as we're going down, getting the electrician who was on the phone just completely ignored me and started walking away at what he knew what and needed from him. And, it just, was not very pleasant for him. But, we just totally disrespect the fact of what we were trying to do. And the fact that, we just felt like you'd park anywhere. So, I contacted the, basically, I think the designer, probably the super of the whole thing. And they apologized, graphically. But, that's not the first time they've done that either. So, we'll keep it up. Next time, just call the police. And then let them know you want the cars towed away. Okay. No more. You've met with them. You've been down there. We've sent letters. We've sent letters. It's a, it's a safety issue.  Call the state police. Tell them you want those cars towed immediately. Don't, go down to the site. Don't do anything. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it. Done. They're clear? And not with you. I'm not. I guess so. I don't think so. No, I think we're all in agreement on that. Yeah. Yeah. We'll talk about that several times. We'll do it. Sorry. Yeah. Then they can come here if they have an issue. Okay. Thank you, Martin. Thank you. That's Martin. Feel better. Thank you. All right. Gabe, Linda. It would be good to come and, just check in. Thank you. Oh, you're welcome. And I'm hoping to do this every quarter. So. Good. That we can update you on what's happened. And answer any questions that you may have. For us. So. As you can imagine, we're busy in the budget season right now. So just looking at all of our options. We've also had a pretty very thorough look at. 10 years of birth population. For the district to look at the elementary schools going forward. And that's information is really helpful as well. To get an idea of where we'll stand. Just in 2028. Yeah. We're, I mean, kind of that 30 foot view on that. Where is it? What are you looking at? So at this point, if you look at the, at the data, which I'll be honest, I'm a total data geek. So it's, it's my area. When you, when you look at it, Thatcher Burke is number one, as far as total numbers and elementary. More town elementary is second. We. Leedsfield is third. Warren is fourth. And faced in this. And last. As far as the. As the school population numbers. And these figures are run through a series of statistical analysis to kind of account for. Children moving in families, moving out, but is really based off of the birth population. And I quite honestly went back and looked at the, you know, because I have access to health departments, public data on birth. So I went back and looked at it and just compared it to what. I was saying it's, I'd say it's pretty accurate as in anything that can only be accurate for, you know, as a, as much as we know about the population right now. So I thought you would find that interesting. Very interesting. And then gave any other comment. No, I mean, it's interesting. And it's sort of, I think this needs to be statewide where we're just on the edge where work done seems to arrive at demographic coattails of the Burlington-October Corridor, which is doing well while rural areas of the state are really suffering. And this is sort of a microcosm of that. And you see Waterford really booming after the flood. It's an attractive area in Burlington and more time as well on that end. And I think as you get further deep into the valley, it becomes easy for you to see the demographics take a part of time. But, and, you know, I think the residential development that has occurred here recently has been really beneficial to the town in terms of attracting other families and children. So that's, you know, I think quite your cards as well as you could as a board in terms of making this place attractive for development. Yeah, I think with John and I got together this weekend we were, Lunge has been talking about just that as far as, John said there was an increase in the further, or the, or maybe it was, It was huge, yeah. There's three preschools now, three preschools on this. Right. Yeah. And one town. And one, you know, so the question is why, you know, what, why are we doing that? And I think, you said the proximity, we were, you know, friends and faced it, you know, it takes them a half an hour to get from there to the interstate. Right. Here you can do it in seven minutes. Right. Exactly. You know, if you watch the quarter coming back from Burlington at night, which I do, you know, it is so busy and, you know, it makes sense, Waterbury is busting at the same, so it feels like the next community out is more times, you know, I think we are starting to see some of those positives happen. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we have a great community here and we can continue to maintain that. That's, that's the challenge that's in front of us all. Yes. It's, I mean, it's interesting times and then I'm very, very comfortable with the business cycle a little bit too.  So, but it's hard. We're, I mean, we're lucky in some way that we are benefiting a little bit from the globalization trend that we're facing across the country. And then also, you know, as we mentioned, we're working on budgets right now and trying to figure out, you know, one of the challenges we have facing us is the per pupil student rate, because we are in the top 80% as far as the pupil rate. And at some point, there could be some issues that arise if we go too high. So we're looking at all of the options. We've probably heard that we had looked at, you know, what would it be to do keep the tax rate at the same level it is right now. And that really hits the core of, you know, teachers and programs. And so at this point, our, you know, several committees going. We have an asset management committee, we have a vision committee. And we're really, you know, talking about looking at, you know, district-wide planning, because I think one of the reasons why the middle school proposal didn't move forward for a bond vote was because we don't know what we're doing in the district. So if we're making a decision based on just, you know, middle school, you know, not just middle school, but while it's extremely important, we really need to have a vision for the entire district before we can move forward. And be able to, you know, come to the voters with a legitimate plan that says we're being fiscally responsible. You know, we've looked at everything, we've looked at the data, we've looked at the qualitative sides, side of how important schools are to communities and what can we do to make sure we're moving forward that we can afford our schools and that we are doing due diligence. A couple of questions. Do you mean we're in the top 20%? Sorry, and then yes, top 20%, that's the setting. And can you describe where we stand as far as class sizes? That varies, wouldn't you say? Yeah, I think it varies by school and grade and we have, you know, this demographic dip right now going into where does it start. It's like right in the middle of the student population kind of fatter on the ends. But because of that it's going to be a problem for some time. I think I'm real lucky to look, I mean in some ways I think class size is sort of a diversion. The interesting thing is FTEs per student, teachers, or what. And I'm more interested in looking at that. I think if we can have small class sizes and cut costs, that's all for the good. So obviously at some point those two would have opposed but I would rather make sure that we're starting to provide teaching. Not to get into discussion on that, but isn't there an optimal class size below which you don't want to fall? And it's different from grade level? Yeah, it depends who you ask. There is, I don't think anybody disagrees that it is easier to have a large lecture style high school class than it is to have a large lecture style kindergarten. Yes, as children get older it becomes possible to educate them responsibly in larger groups. But there are plenty of challenges there. I think it is something we have to look at. I don't know I think we need to be careful to make sure that whatever savings are actually empirically supported and not just kind of political speculation by folks who want to be seen to be doing something. And I think it's important to make sure that we're able to make sure that we're able to make sure that we're able to make sure that we're able to make sure that we're able to make sure that we're able to make sure that we're able to make sure that we're able to make sure that we're able to make sure that we're able to make sure that we're able to make sure that we're able to make sure that we're able to make sure that we're able to make sure that we're able to make sure that we're able to make sure that we're able to make sure that we're able to make sure that we're able to make sure that we're able to make sure that we're any shocks, you know, the bottom didn't fall out of anything, we're looking at probably a three cent increase in the tax rate, about two percent, that is, you know, pretty good where we're getting hurt is, I think, the latest projection we got, and two cents of that is just lost at 46 cents, so you're really not so in shape. So, where we're getting hurt is the equalized pupil count, which is done, you know, it doesn't really matter if your tax rate is not your actual education, it's your study of equalized pupil, and equalized pupil itself is a kind of fictitious number that's adjusted behind closed doors, using some kind of manual reportage and what. And so, you know, everybody just waits, and we were at the last work meeting, and we're still, you know, the finance director is terrific at saying, well, I'm just waiting here, you know, we don't know, but we did wind up, I think, if I understood correctly, what we got in our most recent projection, we're looking at something like a two percent increase in actual education spending that on paper turns into a five-point-something increase in spending for equalized pupil because of loss of equalized pupils, and, you know, without insight into that, how that is calculated, you know, but that's a state-level or no problem that we're not going to solve, which is different. The CLA came out, as you probably saw, again, there was some shock, but so there's nothing stunning or drastic happening, but we're in the same person we are. Yeah, we're very close to high, and we've spent lots of people, which is higher than expected. And we've really looked at every avenue for where we could save money, and as Gabe mentioned earlier, some things that you think should, we should be able to save more, or not, when you actually calculate it out. You've been looking at retirement, right, which will retire some of... Yes. Which will be beneficial to some of the long-time teachers, but it will also bring in new jobs into the community. Is that part of the plan? With some, it is. For example, there's a question right now about what if the math teacher is retiring, so through attrition, there are four, and after our last board meeting, it was going to be opened up to a few more, so I think we'll have more information this week, as far as the next board meeting, as far as retirements. The most reason we have to lower the years of service eligibility for early retirement? It does have that effect. No, it's 20 to 15. Yes. Thank you. It's a valid report. Thank you, Katie. Yes, it did. She's asleep to these meetings. No, she's asleep. She's asleep. So I think we thought there was an indication that there would be a total of four by lowering it, and potentially... And one, we've implemented now our committees. We used to meet on separate nights now from six to seven. There are committee meetings so that the public can attend, and it also gets us... We're in the building all together, and probably much more efficient use of everyone's time so that we're not scheduling separate nights. And then at seven, we begin our board meetings. So what committees are you guys on? So I am on visionary and asset management. And I was on policy, but I had stopped. Okay, no more policy. All right. Well, good. I think that sounds like things are starting to work together a little bit better than they had in the past, or... From my perspective, I feel... And I don't have a long history, obviously, with this particular board, but I feel like we are moving in a direction. I think we have a ways to go, but we're taking one step at a time. And I think that having some of the really tough conversations are beginning to happen, that as a board, we can't be afraid of having those conversations because we do need to do what's right by our communities, are being fiscally responsible for our children coming along in the schools that we really need to look at the whole picture. And if we don't have the conversations, then we're not going to pass them on quite honestly. I think it was good to have the student members do. Yes. I definitely love that. In the old Harwood days, there were students on the board and I think they asked so much to the flavor of the meeting, to just the communication between board and students. Their voice needs to be heard. Sure. Do I know that? Gaten, your things are going off, right? Yeah, I hope so. We'll see. Any other questions or thinking you guys want to share with us or you guys have questions? So thanks so much, because we really do want to keep the communication open with our town. Oh, one thing I probably should mention, your idea about having a non-constructional day on election day was suggested by the town clerks because they want to focus on voters and election officials who wanted to compete for space with students and what not and it's a mess. When you look at the county, it was a week and a half before there was a day off school for an in-service. Why not have that on election day? So the town clerks wrote a letter to the board and they asked the superintendent to take that idea to gather the superintendents of the district. They sort of be regional calendars, I guess, because they're not those that are served by a common career technical center, which ours should not have been compatible with county. Which we don't like in this case. I don't know how they're going to support that. I guess these guys were told that meeting will be occurring as soon as we should have an answer. It's such a good idea. I wonder if you don't want to suggest it to be LCT or somebody just stick to the state statute and why we should not do that. Especially we've got in certain states scattered all over the county. It's such a perfect one to do. So maybe they think about going to be LCT with the other people and asking the district to the legislature because it just seems to make common sense. It really does. And from a safety perspective as well. And the superintendents are meeting on Friday, so Bridget Mace will be bringing it to them. And then she'll be sending out a letter to the town works. But I really like Gates' idea to actually bring it to the legislature. I'm going to ask one more question because you know this stuff. Back to class, on the grade school level. When you go to stuff I've read, and I don't know as much as we do. If you go below around 10 or so coming from the study, they think it's not as good for the kids as having classes around 10. Is that oversimplified or is that? I'm far from an expert on this subject, but I think there is a lot of merit to the argument that yes, you can have too small a class, where the kids really are not enriched by the experience of other kids. The same four kids have been, you know. I think there's a lot of benefit to that, but it's also, whether it's generalizable to these little Vermont schools, it's hard to know. One of the things I think is most special about the way they have around these elementary schools and what more time on elementary school runs is there's a lot of integrated interaction. When I was a kid, I didn't know anybody a year older than me, and I didn't know anybody a year younger than me until maybe my junior year high school. Nobody. Here, they have cross-braid interaction that really is really nice. It gives the sixth graders a sense of responsibility for the school. The kindergarteners know the sixth graders' names. In that environment, I don't know that a study done in the Chicago public schools can be generalized, but it's an interesting question. At some point, it's not more expensive. It's not even good for kids in the middle school, but it's a stronger class. There's no question about that, but where the perfect number is... That should have to be determined. I think we've always done a good job in this town of the multi-grade education system. If you also take this a step further, look at the high school and the middle school, there are going to be smaller classrooms in some of those instances. When you think of Latin and some of the other programs. So you will see those, and the programs are very valuable. But the question about it, I don't know how to express it, absolutely. There's nothing else. Thank you so much for your talk. I really appreciate the... I'll be back as long as there are some drinks. After nine, the beer comes out. After nine, the beer comes out. After nine, the beer comes out. Thank you. We'll see you guys. It's already 7.20 in the morning. It looks like we've got some time together here. So Cheryl, what do you have for us here? I'm reminded to the select board that your select board reports more of the town's board is due to be out of here by January 11. Yeah. Four days. Yeah. Articles are due. They have to be ready and we have to know what articles you're going to have. So that's why we're kind of pushing you on getting the budget ready. That's by the 17th. The warning has to be done. And officer petitions and consent forms are due on January 28th with any of the plan on running or age of rent for office. So I wrote the date? 28th. Don't forget your consent form. It's the petitioner consent form. Should I talk about that before we move on to your next one? Of course. So I took a training with the Secretary of State about warnings and officers and petitions and they suggested advertising all the open petitions. And I see it actually just like you're from Wharton and Waysfield is now put bears out twice but I've never seen any other town do it. Do you guys want to do that? Is there a reason you don't do that? I think it's probably a good idea. I mean anyone that's up for re-election so if your seat's up for re-election it'll be advertised. But it's up for re-election. Sure. That would be great. Of course. But if we do it now normally after Tom being we say we have these ones vacant but if we do it now we might actually get people to run for the things that they can. Okay. I can try. Sure. I need more people to run. Yeah I think I need to get enough petitions and I don't want to put my name. No. Okay. Anything else? Debbie Carroll was going to come in tonight you see that that was postponed until Debbie coming in on the 4th of February. Chris Hunt is working behind the scenes with Deb on her concerns with the Eastman Dee plan as plans is written. Her concern is the magnitude involving her property which needs to be worked on. So they're in the process of Chris is in the process of modifying the plans and getting them approved. So and he wasn't able to get that done by tonight. So So after that after that we'll have all of the Eastman's ready and we'll have approved all of the Eastman's so we can send that out to bit. All right so that's the last thing. I mean does any other paperwork gotta be something right? So I'm going to say we'll have this out to bit by Mark first. I don't see why not. I really think we need to push that to get the price we need for this done we need to give it out for being this in three years when we're thinking we're going to have it out in January and it just hasn't happened. I know I know it's not. I'm not blaming anyone. Part of that was because the state came along at the last of the 11th hour and said with the drainage the same and then to finish the sale and it's been all together too long. We don't get this thing up we're going to be so far over a budget that the project won't happen anyways. Well it will because it's a state who's holding us up so I will have to give another amendment I'll have to give us more money and I'm already talked with them about that and they said that won't be a problem because the state is the one who's holding this up. That's good to hear. That's Misha right? Yes. Okay. Yes. So there needs to be one person who is the approved agent to answer those questions. It should be a person who's bonded by our account insurance which would be an officer which that would be one of the folks or our attorney and the response to the answers need to be motorized before they can be presented to the court. Now that's quite a that's quite a ball that they laid there a lot there. Now my first reaction to this is to what extent do you need to solve your immunity apply and do you have the option of saying no to go away? I think anyone has the right to appeal a decision made at this board and especially when it has to do with roads and in that case no I don't think the right of way is under well no What's that? I think the only thing I think the only thing that I think the only thing that the board could do if you wanted this to go away from this particular appeal would be to change your motion change your decision to leave the access where it was leave everything the way it was before So these guys just they don't want anything my family doesn't want to be done what is there what are they trying to all they're trying to do is get answers get the information that we have that you have asked American Consulting to do they want the communication from American Consulting to the town they want the surveys on how you came up with it when they get all that they're going to tell you what they're doing it looks like what they really want is to continue to use the old one but well not the old one that's right and I don't understand why they have I'm obviously wrong about this but they're trying to sue the town when we're not affecting their property in any way except for access of which there is no guarantee you know I understand they're being able to appeal if it was affecting what were their property not the case so this is even worse though this is affecting them being able to get to their property this is worse because there is no such guarantee in law so well I mean the trail we're providing the trail there was a trail there and there is a trail because they don't like the trail well they like the the access I guess because then they had repercussions on what they could do when now that you've changed where this goes to over here the access for which they can't use they can't get their equipment in there because of the lay of the land is what they're saying here they had a civil suit where they could probably have said okay this has been used for over 15 years we can do it but while you're changing the access you've taken that away from them they never had it they never had it so they can't take away if you don't have that makes sense no so I just don't get why we have to do all this stuff but obviously Ron would have to be in terms of something has Ron looked at this I would like that or what is Paul I mean what are these this is not Paul this is Mike Tarran and Ron was not at that law firm Ron is now but now you only have a certain amount of time to get this information back we can submit the motion to Dwight next we can be granted because I mean how long there's a lot of stuff in here I mean over here it looks like it's lawyer you know what they're trying to do I mean they're trying to make our lives of hell and lawyers agreement but I think that we should have a motion to delay because it's not enough time for us to respond and ask some questions about if we have any alternative to responding because I'm not happy about this stuff no this is going through the last eight years all over and there's probably does John or anyone ask them why they didn't participate in the last eight years when there's been documentation that they had the opportunity to do but my guess would be no because they haven't all they've done this has asked for information I haven't really I don't think the judge has probably heard much of this right now he's just granted motions so I agree with Jason we should get back to the attorney and just ask for a stay a hell hung but until we have an opportunity to meet with our attorney well also whatever the attorney thinks is practical I go for at least a couple months in the middle of a current budget and you're going to be kind of meeting and blah blah blah and it's an undue burden on the town right I think that's another discussion we should have if this is going to be this involved because we originally thought we were linearly out of it and didn't want to change horses in the same yeah where they have files like I just got together for yeah he's Ron's move to this group here so and based on his performance just comfortable working with Ron yeah I think as well I think that's the way we should move and asking that can be possible so you know what why don't I reach out to Ron in the morning and I'm sure he's and let me just see what he says and then we can go from there and I would really like to push back on this yeah I think Ron will push back alright that is amazing this is terrible oh yeah Cheryl you have other stuff to talk about I'm going on that for anyone else any other communications or I think you have everything oh okay watch the last thing the town hall in 2019 well are you continuing with no cost rentals or are we going to start we're going to start asking for the rentals again I would rather try I don't think we've seen any increase in usage due no those are old no well I mean I think residents could still ask you for no charge it's always an option I mean you could reduce the fee or excuse them so we had $1,485 in revenue for rentals in 2018 and the custodial cleaning was $1,296 so that doesn't include the heat or anything like that we have that no matter what that includes the chairs chair chair rental which isn't free money eventually that stuff wears so can I have the rental piece so the residential rate for a four hour event on a Saturday or Sunday would be $50 Friday true Saturday weekday is $75 weekday is $75 that's still legit that's extremely cheap an event for the whole day there would be for a weekend it's usually when they do it on a weekend there's something would be $100 so you want to start formed by these rates again in 2019 and then anyone who is a resident and they want to come talk to you and make time yep what gentleman what general allowance you still have time I suggested maybe putting one of these in the town reports this year I will that's why I wanted to get the feed straightened out before because town reports are going to close up can we have an page in the town report about the town hall do you want anything And I forgot to show them while she was here, but the stuff that I used in doing the capital report, the sooner I can get that stuff, that would be great. Anything else, Cheryl? No. Thanks. Do you have anything to report your communications? No, I'm just thinking that it's not an email or a card from somebody or someone of that organization who asked them why they couldn't. But they have to submit a petition and want to just get me on the ballot. You're right about that one here. That's in there? Okay. Okay. That was pretty much? Yeah. Yeah. So we will get to that. Callie? John? Yeah. We have another meeting with friends at Northfield Mountain, and they actually like to schedule a time that they're coming to a meeting just to kind of explain to the town what it's all about and what some of the benefits of the town would be in trying to conserve the rich. And so one of the things that I mentioned was that we're trying to make more town more attractive in any way we can. And if we can increase recreational opportunities without any cost of the town, we know we will all part. So I was hopefully the first meeting in February. We didn't have a full agenda at this point. How much time? 20 minutes? Half an hour? Half an hour? Yeah. You have contact with those that you're sending? Yeah. Okay. Go to Karen. Well, Karen will. Karen will. Yeah. And during any of these meetings have they considered like you just heard the development that's going on over in Galli-Rakers, how it's helped the town. Right. They're discussing that too versus having all this land. Yeah. Basically, yeah, I mean one of the things that one of the conversations came up was, you know, there probably could be some locks, you know, right around the town gap where it is buildable. I would think so. And, you know, that could certainly help. So did they draft a plan there at Galli-Rakers? No, it's not, it's not, they're going to be doing the next meeting, which is the 27th, I guess, I want to tell you, Sunday. Yeah. I have the notification of that one yesterday, but I didn't read it till this morning. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. I guess I'm just not sitting home waiting for an e-mail, you know. If an e-mail is there, they're about meeting Sunday. I'm going to e-mail every hour, right? Very right. Yeah, so if that needed, we're going to be putting some things together. Yes. The other thing I have is the top 20 sites. Cheryl, did you forward that whole thing from Pam DeAndrea? I did. I forwarded it to the whole board. Oh, you did? Oh, okay. That's good. So that, so everybody has a report. I remember seeing it very quickly. Once it goes in. No, this... Couple of months week. This came out.  We're out on the 18th of December, at least. So this is the top 20 sites, okay? And this is just a little bit, just to show you where the sites are. And then the full report is there. Come to me. I've got a symbol asking everything. Erosion sites. Oh, okay. Yes. And it came with a map too. I sent you a map. Senator Trump? Oh, no. I'm sorry. And then you'll see on the water sheet, for the time of my discussion, that Ron Ward died. And so we figured that it would be a good idea to make a donation. Now, to the matter of our immigrants, just to serve the town. So, $50 donation. Jason. Yeah. No, thank you. All right. So I... A couple of things from Deb Feldman. Since I turned in my letter and resigned in the position of Lister as of March 5th, the situation has changed. And stepping away from the Lister position would leave the town short-handed. So she is going to work until the 2019 grand list is lodged. So we need to retract our acceptance of a resolution. I think you probably would just reappoint. Yeah. Okay. Based on the letter. So should we reappoint on this right here? Yeah. If I move to reappoint, Deb Feldman until the grand list is lodged on the 19 grand list. Is that it? All in favor of what I have? All right. All right. And then, as I guess Ray brought it up, Dr. Butch or Chris Butch sent us a letter talking about consolidating signatures for our artists. I was going to say, is there even one very... That was part of the training I did too, was that if people were asking for a donation, if it didn't change, they didn't have to do signatures again. They just sent a letter to the select board. If their own mountain didn't change, a lot of towns do that. It's totally up to the select board to require signatures. And I think the reason that you do that, that decision was made like 10, 12 years ago or because there were 20 organizations wanting this and wanting money. And rather than turn some down and some not down, by filling out the petition and let the people of Moretown, you know, do the floor vote, let the people of Moretown say, yeah, your name, or more or less. I think that's why. Well, they still would want to do that. But they still would want to do that. Yeah. They still need an article. Yeah, they still need an article. They don't have to require signatures. It's not a one-on-one. It's just that they don't have to go around and get signatures. And we've tried that before too, I believe. But I have no problem with that. Well, and I'm going to go through this again. But he cited that they could vote on it on a town meeting or something. I'd rather, I mean, people want money. You can't take the time to get signatures. And I'm sorry. I mean, just, you know, I haven't really a lot of sympathy or empathy for anyone that doesn't want to take the time to get their signatures. And there's like 20 of them on one petition. So, I mean, if one group takes one sheet and gets 20 names, there are signatures on there, then they've got them all anyway. I explained to Chris a couple of weeks ago when he came in and we talked about it.  I know we gave that same advice to the Matt River TV last year. It's all right. This is the person to actually call. That's a different circumstance than what Chris Bush was describing, because that was to, for the initial article, what Chris is saying is once you're on there, if nothing has changed, you can continue without doing a new petition each year, which is different from you want to get on the list, you have to do the petition. So, in my mind, this is simplifying the process and not really taking away the content, which is to get on there, you have to do the petition. So I'm comfortable with it. Well, we've done that in the past work. They did the petition initially, and then following, they just sent a letter. I think we should get some contacts. Oh, yes. They have to still request it. And also nothing can change. You can't change the amount. You can't change anything. This is the return of a lot of their senior citizens. Yeah. He was talking about the value. Yeah, he was just saying the value. Yeah. But he just took one specific example. Really, it's a process change. And this really doesn't help unless something's being changed. And it made sense to me. But I don't know what our past experience was. Did it work out? I don't know. 20 years have had to fill out petitions since I've been here. Because I was on a tour before in Sloanport, or two, and they always filled out that petition of 20 years that I've been here. I'm not interested in giving out money to people without a petition. I'm just thinking that an initial petition is sufficient. Well, they've done it every year. So what happened when we used to do this? I mean, I do remember a year or two that, because the first time was just a letter requesting it. I don't remember how far back it was. I mean, I guess I don't know. Maybe I should be softer on this. I mean, they're providing services to our townspeople. To get help and see the townspeople. If you're asking them, they want to know why. They're not just finding out about it. It's not me. They want to know. In the book. But they actually see. You see somebody. Yeah. Again, all of that is still true when they first want to give them a list. Yeah, but then, when you put five years to go down the road, you're not asking for the same amount of money if people have changed. So you're not asking for people. If you change the dollar amount, you're not. Right. If you're not, five years later, the count looks different. I wonder if you stop some groups from asking for more money. Am I like this? I think the time to change the policy is not right now. Maybe we ought to think about it. Oh, yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Not for this year. People like it is. And we can certainly review the whole policy. You can even discuss the account. You can discuss the account. Of course, we've gone down the road. We've already got petitions. All right. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. We'll take your later on advertisement and talk about it. All right. And I think, yeah, that's a good idea. Do you have a doubt? Yeah. All right. So the other thing that I noticed in your training, we have requests for its your opinion of the town hall. That's a new one. And it's very specific in the list of what needs to be done. Last year we just put, you know, basic. This like lists every single part that's not done. How's the price compared to this? I just set it out. Yeah. So, but wait a second. We had a bid to have the hall. Yeah. Really done. Yeah. No, it was half last year about this year. Right. But we signed a contract. But we, you voided his contract. You voided the contract. Yeah. So has he, has he, did he respond to you at all? No. But we sent him a certified letter and he signed for it. Yeah. So we haven't sent that out or done anything. With what? The RFP got posted today. Okay. Because I mean, he didn't, what was our repercussion on? I mean, we paid $5,000, right? For half the building, yeah. Right. And we didn't get that work done. You got half except for the trim on the front. Was the, what was, and then, yeah, it was, I guess that's what your repercussion was to not do it. But actually it's contract, right? What do you mean? Well, you said what's our repercussion with it? With him? Yeah. No. I mean, he's the one that owes us. He didn't fulfill his contract. I don't know the answer to that. He did fulfill his contract except for a little bit of trim. Well, that's not fulfilling his contract. And I think, and that's why we'd ask to have him in here. He requested him to come twice. And he didn't show up for either meeting. Any sign for the term? Yes. Yeah. He never came. You said the board said at a meeting that we had no choice but to separate contracts. We should send him a bill for, for the work to get the bill, and for the work he didn't do it. And we paid him on. So let's figure that out, because we've paid him for half the job and you didn't do the half-job except, except, except. And then, I think you brought up to me that that wall was what it was. I think, I don't think it looks as good as a chip. Oh, no. That's my personal opinion. What was his name again? John Gaybrey. John. He had great references too. He did the town hall on Hancock. He did a couple of buildings in Waynefield. So I don't, I don't know. Save his name again. John what? Gaybrey. Gaybrey. Is he from around here? It's from Rochester. He lives up here. Yeah. Let's get this out and see what happens. But in the meantime, let's, let's try to figure out what he owes us on that bill. How much time does it take? It's just a port. A couple of windows on the front porch. Two windows on the door. Yeah. It was just a great amount of them. I thought he had done it. I'm not quite. Did you have the time to look at that? I think there was a, wasn't there a plan board that was supposed to be taken care of as well? It's not on the side that he did. There is. Put up on the pupil out there what he did. Yeah, that's the one side he didn't do. The whole side. He didn't like paint any of that side. Right. I'm not, I'm not defending him either. I'm just saying. No. Okay. So what if we send him a bill for a thousand dollars? 35. Yeah. Let's say he owes us for work. Not complete. Right. Not complete. Pain and not complete. Give your response to that. Yeah. And then we'll send it to the collections. Is the, is that an appropriate amount? And that worked out completely? Do you want to look at that? I do. I probably, yeah. Yeah. So I wasn't, I was where I thought he had done and completed what he was supposed to have done in the first year. Or at least what he was painting. Well, he painted some on the third wall that he was, you know, he actually did more than half. Yeah. He did more than half. But technically the size that he did, the front trim and stuff. He did some of the high stuff because he had the, so he did more. Well, what's going to happen? Let me just break it to you here folks. You're going to get another bid for about 10 grand to have that thing painted. No one's going to come in and paint 10 feet here, 20 feet here, and do a little bit here. It's not how people do jobs or do jobs. The guy screwed us. He was committed to do a job over a two year period. He's going to pay a certain amount and do it. You even said, or Cheryl said to me, he came in asking for money. Before he was finished before he was done. Obviously he's not the type of person that we should be doing business with. We got screwed. So now we've got to deal with it. But you've got to come back and we're going to, if we want the whole thing painted when we are doing the budget, we better figure for it because it's not coming in at half of what we had. It's ridiculous. You should charge him the whole $5,000 back, really. But, you know, we're job not done. So let's go ahead and move on prior to doing any new business I want to work on the town budget here. I'm just going to break it down. I'll use it. How much were the lines? We had a short discussion possible under some sort of curtains instead. We've got a quote for curtains. And a quote for lines, just lines or shades. And lines of $4,000. I would say it's been two years and a half and I say we go another year. I think we have to. I think we need to keep the signs. Signs 2K. So you're reducing that to 2,000? Yes. The actuals for supplies and electricity in town office. I just wanted to double check that that $3,000 is realistic. Why the electricity is over? I imagine because it was 90 degrees for days on end this summer and it was more on electricity. So that's a gamble there. You think it's reasonable? Yeah. I don't know how much time you want me to spend on the little stuff. On page 2 the library looks like there's some opportunity to bring things down to the actuals level. In other words equipment payments can go down to $300. Telephone can go down to $1100. No notes on older versions. This latest reading has the full year of 2018 on it. So telephone can go down to $1,000. You think it's on the library? Yep. Training and biology can go down to $150. Memberships down to $650. Anybody disagree with this? I'm just bringing down what the actuals are. And seeing that there's an opportunity to trim. I'd pull supplies down to $400 although they ask for $300. $300 I think just keep it there. Just keep it there? Okay. Postage $300. Yep. Electric up to $500. That's for $365. I don't see any basis for that in last year's budgets. $500. Books and periodicals $2,600. Programming expense $200. What did you put? Books down to $25? $2,600. Do you want me to just keep going? All those actions. Let's hold up a second. Any questions on that? Jason hasn't proposed. That's what I mean at the beginning. I think you have to do it. What did this kind of sound like? What did we have in mind? Yeah. If you go back to the town hall, you can take out the money for the paper floor. $3,000. Let's hold off. Come back to the town hall. That may be because we're not sure what we're doing there. It might be a good reason not to do it, because there's uncertainty and what might happen and what's not happening. There's no problem structurally. No, it's just about the floor. So I have a question on actuals for 2018 on general account expenses. On the select road we had $34.17. What was that? General legal. If you look down, we budgeted $5,000 for legal. It's right there. General legal. So that's select board, tax sales. So the select board is the road, so that's totally select board. So if we add those two. If you add those three. The three. The general legal. The tax sale. And the select board. Do a question on tax sale and legal expenses. Do we get to take that out of the proceeds? We did. So you'll see it in your account. So this is a non-general fund. Correct. We still have the general fund expenses for that. Again, I'm sorry, but $34.17 was our legal. $5,500 instead of $5,000. Correct. What is HRA here? Oh, HRA. It's what we put into the that's an expense for the deductibles that you give the employees. What you offer. Is it the same this year? Is it the last year? Okay. Should that be there? The general fund expenses. The insurance costs is in with the employee, but the HRA is a benefit. So this is the so we're giving you, so someone goes to the doctors they receive for their deductible of co-pay. What's LHNPG? What's that? LHNPG. Oh, those are the new general public permits, the general permits for robo-projects. I'm sorry, this is a local housing mitigation grant grant, that's a town share. Okay, that's good. I was just going to ask, is that the one year? We just got a grant for $7,000, $78,000, so that's a town share. This is this is just pennies, but why for the tax collector? Why are the and supplies expenses numbers off from the budget? Well, he had a particular that ran into 2018 from 2017. Got it, sure do. So the budget numbers are correct? Yeah. That's where the $4 came in, because one of them was off. Do you want a listers yet? Could we move the supplies and expenses instead of $2,800? They don't want to spend $1,800 this year. Yeah. We'll have. The postage was over because of the mail. I hope some of you will not have any to do that. So, can we just back up to the copay reimbursement? I mean, maybe the California insurance. I'm back to page 3. We have a point where I think this is this is the way I think I think that we should start becoming a shared employee a hundred percent I think that we've been pretty generous as far as insurance and services. I think we're I'm not saying phase it out completely, but I think we need to think about that cost as being part of the employee payment package. Am I right in saying that the state does not reimburse the state does not have this available? The state does not, but the deductibles in the state plan I don't think it's directly covered. What is our deductibles? $1350. Okay. Well, that clears it up a little bit more than that. In all fairness, you already approved that the insurance would say that the town would contribute the same this year. So that would probably be something that you look at next year sooner than right. So that you can change instead of people who are already using there. And the town is paying the same as you did last year when in fact the premiums have gone up too. So the employees are contributing like 7 percent more this year than what they did last year. The ones who have the two person more for there. So the town is not paying, in other words the town is not paying 100 percent. You're paying $1300 for the deductibles $1350 because that went up $50 this year. And then the premiums went up I think $125 with something and the town is not covering that $125 at all. So the town is not paying 100 percent. So that would make sense to look at and find out what the rates are and this could be part of that. I think the whole health insurance needs to be looked at. Every year. The way it's changing the cost and obviously where it's costing us I think the expectations are changing you know. Okay. Trouble is they come out like in December end of November or something with their rates. So you've really got to be on the ball at that time. Yeah. We need to do a better job of pushing them to do the rates earlier I guess. We'll think before December 45 days. 45 days from when? To be mid November. By the end of the year. And I don't think we're getting on until like the first week in December or something. And the age by now? More than a year. We've got some. I'm sorry. When you guys were making changes do you have the ability to are you adding subtracting so you know each section auto as we're doing it tonight? Yeah.  That's a good idea. It would be wonderful. Otherwise you can have a special meeting. I don't question the cemeteries. Given how much money they have why do we pay between the stones? The money is for them. Unless they can just think the same thing. And I think we talked about it two years ago. And we haven't done anything. I think a couple of years ago the actuals was there. So we didn't do it. I missed the first part of that. Cemeteries. Why? Because they have a general fund for cleaning stones. They want to discourage them from cleaning stones. But I don't see what the general budget is at all. That's probably good. The money is for it. Yeah. 86 that. Yeah. Yeah. To page seven I might have a more complicated question. I hope someone has a simple way of working out. Okay. Given the unknowns regarding staffing for the coming year do we need a big chunk of money in select board discretionary pay to deal with what happens? Okay. How do we go about it? Is it interesting that one of the things that John and I were talking about actually that was one of the bigger things. How do we deal with that? Because we don't know. Right. But if we want to be able to act on what we don't know now we may need a part of money. And that part of money would have to come at least in part from some of the existing ones. We know six months. Right. So we don't have. So then we're working off just on the half. John and I we were talking about this. We just don't know. Right. Yeah. I'm talking about mechanism now because obviously we don't know. Right. We can reduce the volumes for the the discretionary thing. If we reduce the time of system number from two to six month number and put the balance in the discretionary plus some amount that we feel you may need to get things to balance out then there's one way to build that. Okay. Another way would be to have under the system the six months plus a minimum amount or certain will be put in some way and then the balance in discretionary. Yeah. I think I like the first of just six months and then just so it's clean. Yeah. That would be my first place as well. And then that going forward because that's the question what we want to do. What we want to do will depend on the level of choice that we can possibly know. We may not want to put anything extra in the discretionary either. That's a possibility. I mean the main reason we had that was because we had experience. Right. And we may end up, let's say that the person currently running in Burlington has moved to more town to run more town instead. Mm-hmm. Good idea. Can I get all the product Katrina?  You said something about cemeteries when I started out. The $800 for cleaning stones. Not there. So I am going to have to this only self-totals each section so when we're done I still have to add a chair. You're going to do self-totals next time? Yeah, I do self-totals. But I put in this is a fire department self-tool and there's self-towels throughout it. Yeah. That don't add. Yes, I know how to do it. It is proposed or is that supposed to be proposed? Proposed. Where? It says Katrina $19, $40. That's what I was going to propose to you like three months ago or whatever. Right? No, that's what I was going to talk to all about last time. Sorry, so why don't you go ahead and talk to us about it now? Sure. I thought on page 6 where? Yes. Page 6. So I since November in it since we started talking about this stuff has changed in my life too and I want to be considered for shelves position for full time is what I'm requesting. Do you want me to give you the whole spiel right now or just? No, I think that's it. All right. So how is what you wrote there affect the numbers? They're almost exactly the same but actually they're a little bit less than that shares. Just one thing on your color coding, when you're doing you should I think you should do your colors backwards different. When I see a red I think of a deficit. I guess that's a negative. When they're red they go down. We question which one are you on? When it goes down I want black personally. Oh, you want it to I got you. I was looking at red as bad. Okay, I got you. You're running in the red. Yeah. So at first I was thinking I'm a little good but then I see just a little bit of red. You start looking at the numbers and then it's like. Sorry. There's a 1069 difference down. But does that mean we want to Can I ask you this if your goal or your plan is or your thoughts are that you want a level fund whoever takes over or whatever then why can't you just level on this budget the way it is and then you've got the number and then you can I think if it passes that way we have some other options actually to pay it. I can't think so. It's only an officer.  Of course if they don't work as many hours you don't have to pay them back. That sounds like you know the answer to your question you came up earlier. Yeah. Someone who manages Cheryl or we all get a deaf person the same as we do. Yes. What was budgeted because it's an officer position is what that person would get. And unless they agree as Sharon did not to take as much. So can we do something like do we own two lines where she has a base salary and a qualifications bonus so that if someone less qualified ends up in that job we don't have to pay it. We can do it. Yeah as long as we do it before anyone. I mean I assume we can pay it however we want to pay it. But it has to be two lines for us to do that or else we are stuck having to pay that amount to whoever. If it's treasurer and it says treasurer pay that's what that person is going to get. So it's just a two line. Yeah. She did just a town trader last year and it says town trader but in the future that's something we should know about. She got reelected last year. Right. But as I was saying earlier she may start seeing competition because if she's getting the pay going up and the benefits then we need more people looking so that's something we want to take a look at. I don't necessarily want to pay just anybody but if you see it here it says town administrator doesn't say town administrator pay it says town administrator that's what it's about to do. Right. Well I think more so that we can So that's something that's just a thought. We can pay you know I guess what we want as long as it comes to the statute whether it's just town administrator or town administrator pay a judge look at it it's the same thing. For the officers maybe we do want that second line if you just want as a reminder if you want to set it up that way we could review it in the future. So the question that Cheryl mentioned if we want a level of funds but I'd like to actually say something here. That Cheryl was just saying if it's in this line you don't actually have to pay it. Okay. True. But you're still budgeting it and you're still asking for the voters for the money. And if we had a lower number here and the difference in the discretionary same thing it just might be easier to describe it. Right. We don't have to use it but it never usually gets used. Yep. Did you have a toll force between it? No I didn't have a toll force done going through it. We're going to go back to the town hall. Yeah. I think that was a good idea. Katrina to take out the point. Yeah it's not going to hurt it to sit for another year. In fact it might actually help the comfort to finish breathing or whatever it does. That was $3,000 out of that. And the rest was for the paint. Well hopefully we can do it. I don't mean to be. No I totally get it. I'm saying yeah. He didn't screw it. He didn't screw it. So take that down to $4,000? No. $5,000. I mean sorry. $5,500. I'll call the guy that painted my house severe. No. Well I mean last year we only got two bids on it anyway. And the other one was like a total of $10,000. I have a pretty good size house. He scraped mine, climbed it, two coats of paint, $5,500. He can come and work for me. He says cheap. He's a Bosnian guy I met years ago and he paints and he just he is a good painter too. No fool around him. He's one of the better painters I've seen. And he just does the work. People say he would take a few weeks and comes in and does it like seven days straight. He works every day. As long as he has a job, I should be all around him. I just printed it, yeah.  He doesn't care what heights are. So would he be interested in doing the panel? Yeah, I'll give him a call. A lot of people are intimidated when towns are higher and I think they don't bid on things. Well, I think that's why we don't get that many bids on stuff. Cheryl, sorry. She's fast. I started bringing this up before. I didn't detect a whole lot of enthusiasm but may as well see what people said. We've got a 2% raising here. The stage is doing 1.35%. Comments? I've done research on this as well. I've talked to the LCT. So if you've done research, let's hear your opinion on research. Oh no, I'm going up the e-mail right now. Because I want to know how people got the cost of living. What did they go by? So I asked her what other towns do and what they do. She said I don't know how we typically do that. They go by the Consumer Price Index from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. So that's what they go by and they do it for June of every year because it changes every month. So every year they look at June, that's what it is. And they've done that she said for as long as she can remember. So that's 2.6. How much of Social Security last year? 2.6. I have a printout. I don't get a raise, so I don't know. Social Security said 2.6. That's leaving out the four years before it didn't go on. Maybe that's what I was thinking. Well I can see what it was last year. Okay. Check the last two years. Yeah. The last two years. I'd like to keep that 2% personally. As we were talking about earlier I think we ought to look at the old package and leave it at 2%. We'll talk about the insurance and everything else. Yeah. So as a state employee I can certainly say that at home 0.35%, don't run the chinsy. Probably do the list you want to do. I think a lot of people would rather see the insurance pay than see a 1% increase. Last year it was 1.5. And we got two. So this year it's 2.6. Yeah. And I don't know what year it was before that. What grade it was. What was the CPI year before that? 2.7. Yeah, 0.2. 0.3. Started going back to 2017. So when you want to look at it next year then you have a base to look at. That's what the LCT uses. Until this year we've been using the state advice. And she said the problem with that is sometimes you guys don't figure out how much you get. So that's what she advises. The state does it on a two-year cycle? Yeah. Half the time. Because I do a subtle for each of these. And I do the whole fire. And the whole highway. And I do some stuff. You can do as many levels as you want. Okay. So with what you've changed and I added in $15,000 sounds like you're going to go with the pickup. So that would be a debt retirement on the pickup. Yeah. We can't figure that out. That's having the budget. Yeah, you do. You have to figure this one payment. You have to make a payment in 2019. Well, we don't know that we're not going to make payment because it's an article. Okay. So I could add it on that. No, it can't be done in on after. If you have to make a payment in 2019 you have to put it in the budget. Well, we put it in the article. It's in the article. Set the payment P in 2020? Yeah. So then you won't be getting your pickup in 2001. Oh, no. Okay. Whatever. No. Wait a second. So it's just like we don't budget the Washington County use services. It's an honor. But after it's voted in it's added to the actual and then that's when we figure out our tax rate. It's there, but we don't figure it beforehand into our or at least I don't believe we ever have. No. If you plan on making a payment this year and you know you're going to do it you don't that because you don't know how you're going to do it. You don't know how much it's going to be is what I'm saying. And so that when you do tax rate you're going to add it on. So then when you make the payment if you don't put it in there then you're going to have to add whatever the payment is when you do your tax rate. Yes. I guess you can do it that way but it's pretty unsure of what you know. So wait. What's the $16,000? $15,000 would be for payment. But we weren't doing that. I think that's what we did last year. I remember when we were doing tax rate data. That's the payment on the new tax rate. Yeah, it passes. No, no, no. Okay, so it's $120,000 $120,000 $6,000 $206,000 $120,000 $206,000 we didn't finish. $206,000 we didn't finish. $206,000 we didn't finish. Everybody sitting there doing the grand queries doing one five. Yeah, that's $21,000 money. So we went through here and I don't think we came up with that money. Yes! We had one. Yeah, today's she it was $1,227,C. there's $3,000 on the first issue 8,000 on the first stage, you know what I mean? 8.4% increases that level. Let's back up, 8.47? Yeah. Zero, two, three, one. Wow, that's a good thing. Yeah, these things are amazing. Seven, 12.28. All right, so we've got another 4% to go, gentlemen and ladies, and then we'll be all set. This town equipment is killing us. Yeah. It's killing us. You don't have a piece of equipment down there that you use for a year or two right now? No. At some point it becomes, and I think you're going to see it where you're going to be subcontracting a lot of this stuff out the contractors that have this equipment. It can spread out these costs more to different towns, you know? Yeah. I mean, you need a grader. Every town needs a grader. And you're going to need a loader. The excavator is where you could probably... The excavator in your crew side. Well, you've never got as far as the fire station. Nothing there. The Dispatching Service is kind of... We went from 2,000 to 5,000 because a clutch was 2,600 and what's he going to do with the other 2,000? Lourian? 27. And then we're not even sure that it needs a clutch. Because it's... Yeah, and that was... I wasn't really impressed with that presentation or that discussion on that as far as it came from the authority who would be doing the repair and they're not sure. So we put that in the 2,500 rocks. We're lowering that down to 25. I wonder if they had any fire here. I don't see it. What do you think, Kelly? About... The clutch? Yeah, the maintenance and repairs on the... So Jordan does all the maintenance. He's the tech. He works with the guy who does it. I would say Jordan said he needs a clutch and he needs a clutch. All right, but then... He said he needs a clutch. Stefan did not explain it well. He looked at it more than once. From what I got. Stefan didn't explain it well. So does he know or not? See, and you're pretty sure that it does? So basically, it's loose. Tighten it as much as you can tighten it. So the next time around, it's not going to... It's going to need to be replaced. That clutch could go at any time. So is there any reason not to bring that down to $4,000? This is the clutch, it's $26,000 and the other $1,400. Probably could work with that. Yeah. So $4,000? $4,000. Thank you, Kelly. That's good. So yeah, if you know that, that's why I asked you. But if you know that... He doesn't explain things very well sometimes. I think he kind of sits there and gets in the hot seat. Well, it shouldn't be a hot seat. We're just trying to figure out... What comes with the experience? Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly it. And on the Fire Warden, we're doubling that pay. But we just got books for him to fill out and find out exactly how many permits and things and how many places he's going. I'm wondering if you should wait another year before doubling the salary of the Fire Warden? Yeah, that's probably a good idea. Let's give it a track record of what's going on. Yeah, I just gave him those carbon copy things and a little book stuff. You should be able to see it anytime. Are they expecting building payments? That's the plan. He came in and said that he's going to a lot of places. So now he has a lot to record where he's going to fill out the things. And then if he is... Let's see what happens. So drop that to 250. Right. So that's just more of a stipend on a 250. It's not per visit or anything like that. That's just a stipend. Yeah, so double it before you know what's going on. Yeah. I know we talked about this before. Why are we eliminating the stipend for the Fire Department? Because they wasn't being used for its intended purpose. We had intended for it to be a few years ago when the students were talking and they were for expenses, you know, 50 bucks of the gas or whatever they were doing. So we allocated the money, which had previously been allocated, but the town took it back because we paid the insurance. Okay. But a few years ago it was my idea to give them the stipend. These guys were running there doing everything. Right. They probably haven't done the most. We were told that it doesn't, they get it and then they just vote not to take the money and put it into something else. Piece of equipment, which I think is valiant, but as intended, it was intended for their pockets and money. That's what the money is. We have the maintenance and the other thing. So that was... Okay. Right. And I talked to Stepan about it. It's probably six weeks ago, whatever the budget, and I thought we had a good discussion about it and he accepted what he was going to talk to his people and he told me that they would be fine. So I didn't hear from him. I think another thing they were going to talk about with that was, because they were not sure if they could end their annuals to say that they were fine. Right.  But did they work it out? Right. Yeah, I talked to him about it. I put a money value to it. Like other times did. Yeah, I know that's what I talked to Stepan about. He figured out something, because we need them. We want them. They're valuable. And they shouldn't cost them to volunteer to do this. And that was the whole idea about trying to get them some money. And then it didn't seem like they cared about it. So Cheryl, how many hours you're working now? 30. 30? And then you're working 10? At least. So there's 40? Actually, you can see I went over my budget but a lot of it was training. I went through a lot of trainings up there. Like outside trainings. The sheet in here? It is. You see I used to stick time already. I have one stick all last week. I have a paper of Christmas though. Anyways, my point is that's 40 hours a week there. And what we're looking at here is 50 hours a week. And I don't know if that's something that we can do. I mean I'd be more comfortable with a total of 40 hours. 30 hours. Or 10 hours at 26. And like 30 hours at the 19 to put in the budget. Because I don't know if we need to top another 10 hours of administrative work. I think we should keep the same levels we are at now. 40 hours. We're not going up to 50 hours. I might have realized that earlier. We were talking about that. But yeah, I agree. In that way, it gives us the money in there to do, to make the decisions that we need to make. But it's saving us 30 hours. See, keep Cheryl's line as it is, but your line just 19 times 30. Give me my big one back. It's 19 times 30. Makes it 29, 6, 40 instead. No. 19. That's like 50% off. You're trying to figure out the full year value of 30 hours? 30 hours times 19. It's 2,000. Yeah. 3 quarters times 20, 80 times 19. 30 hours times 19 times 30 times 50. It's there. There was 29,000. Just 29. Yeah, 29, 6, 40. 29, 6, 40. So that's saving us almost 10 grand. 9,900. What's the price? What's the previous number? I need to put it on my head. What does it call it? 29,000 different. And is that what you want? Is that the rate at which you run a budget for the second half of the year? I think it keeps us safe. But are you going to be here for half a year? Yeah, I think it's the first six months. So we're not doing anything different. Oh, shh. But your hours are different. Yeah. I think you have to do each half of the year so quickly. Okay, let's do it that way then. We're going to do a calculator. Okay, so that's 780 hours. 26 hours times 780. It's for me to work half a year at 30. Give me my big decimal cover. I hit trying to use this thing. What is it? How many hours? 26 hours a watch times 780. It's 20,280. So it's 20,280 dollars is what you're going to pay me between January, September and June. And then 19 hours, 19 dollars times 780, which is for the other half, is what? Well, she won't begin 19. She's doing the second half. Oh, she's doing the second half. Okay. It's 14,820. So together. So that's 34, 35, 0, 35, 100. Is what town and monastery allowance should be. So you're only saving. 45. 4,000. It was between 39, 520. Which you can take. Now, where do you mean the second one? So that line is going to be 3500. Okay. So then that's 10 hours. And you know, I don't have to do that. I mean, I was, you don't have to keep me on as grant manager. I'm okay with that. Because you haven't really told me whether you wanted to do that or not. But that's why I say that we have this. So 10 hours a week times 20 times 13 weeks. Times 13 weeks. So that's 130 hours. 130 hours times 26. So that's 3380. And then half my year. 3380. Yep. So then half that. You want to be right back because then would you have me pretty quick? Yeah, you will be. What's 15? How can you cut 10 hours for half a year? There'd be 10 hours for half a year. Yeah. That's what I said. Now I have to do my half. So what? 15. Oh, I thought you were going to add a 30. No, no, no. That's your half. I have to do my half. Okay. To put in that line. 19. Okay. So 16. So plus 6360, which is me. No. Not 26 weeks. Not 26 weeks. Only half a year. 13 weeks. What? What? No, it's 26 weeks. 26 weeks. I get a week. It's not a very good idea. Okay. So what's the first part? What's the total? That's not right. That's half of what I would make in a year. 1631. I'm 15 hours a week. I'm 26 weeks. $6,361. So it's a total? That's 3380, which is what you get for half a year. That's not what you get for half a year. I'll calculate that over again. Because I think that used two periods instead of weeks. No. 26 weeks. I'm 26 dollars. 6760. So 6760 plus 6360. So the second line is 13. It's almost the same. 13,120. So basically we're saying 4,500 bucks. Yeah. Okay. So what's the difference between what you've just done and what I have? What are the things you never solved in a year? 13,500. Well, keep in mind that the bike will be lowered as well. And then what about the health insurance? What numbers figure into that? That's for the whole year. Okay. For a month? Well, for what period of time are you going to do mine and half the mine? For a full time. That's not going to change. And so the more you hire for 30 weeks, it's going to get insurance. So what are we going to try? You want to work 10 hours a week to maintain insurance benefit? What is the purpose there? Just to do some? I was going to do the grant stuff, but I don't have to. We're might have seen $4,820. After all that, that's the difference. So I'm very relieved, too. That's a big low in the vote. And we're going to do... If we budget for this for any less than we have now, the one possibility is Katrina gets that job $40,000 and $19 an hour for that year. Another possibility is if we advertise someone else, who has been running the town for a year, and they would need to get paid more. If we only budget 19 for half a year, what happens if we hire a more expensive person? I think what happens there is that we don't, at that point, if there's someone with that experience, then they should be able to do the grant stuff and we're not going to share all of that. So the total of the two? So we've got that, these 10 hours as well? So you don't hire them? For the second half of the year for this calculation to be due? We did share all of the 10 hours. How many hours for you? 15. At $16.31, which is what I'm making now. For the second half of the year? For the second half of the year, you get to share all of the 10 hours, so we have $26 an hour. Right, and you for? That's how I'm going to share it. Right. There you go. There you go. Yes. Yep. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. There you go. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Alright. So I have one minute. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So. Okay. Okay, alright. All right. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okayー. Okay. Okay. Excellent. So let's move into the executive session to discuss the time I'm going to reconfinish the business part. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. But let's make sure we do some of that as well, because we haven't. I think that's a good return. And we'll also give everyone another week to put their eyes on the budget again, asking out of questions to, you know. There's some possibility, if my office actually comes up with budget targets, that I might not be able to be given some of that. All right, we'll find out and then, but we'll have an idea where we're at after discussion and then I can get your input. Because I, the rest of me, I'm actually... So, let's go ahead and move into new business. Or is there any other old business that people like to pick up prior to new business? Any new business? Just our own business or a new business, whatever. If you look at an important state, police on the person that they found, they only said, okay, yeah, I know. So, I think she went up there, got lost, drove up to where the electrical boxes are, her car got stuck. And she started walking back down. And I don't know if she tripped and balance just froze, because it was during one of those cold nights. She was walking back toward the last heat. Yeah, she was walking back toward the last heat. What was she doing? She got lost. She got on the GPS. The GPS will send you up there. So, okay. And then I don't know if maybe... It just, it was funny, you know, I think that happens more often when I was talking to my brother that day, I saw him. He said, oh, I saw him. He's in the police. I said, well, you look into that. What's happening? Well, there's nothing now. But he told me exactly what it would be.  She got lost. They'll do an autopsy. She closed the gap. They have the GPS center. He says, we have so much of that happened. It's not foul play. It's, yeah, unfortunately, a very unfortunate thing happened. GPS sends a lot of people off the cold snow trails. I don't know how long she was out there. I think the last report said up to two days. Yeah. At least 24 hours up to two days. I think they saw her go... I just GPSed a location in Waterbury and it was a road that got washed out in the rain. And it still took me that life. Well, it's very unfortunate. It could have set up, actually. Anyways, so we do have some things to sign for. One other thing I was going to mention. John and I came in to sign. It was the TAM. So, if everyone would like to take an opportunity. And Ray came in. John was there. Do you see much of her just feeding this? Go ahead and sign it. But, so what we want to do as an article, we want to fix that this year so that doesn't come out. So that we can borrow the money from June and from January through to... I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I wanted to bring the money for that. She is okay. Yeah. There's a payroll, I think. Yeah. Okay, so probably it was too late. Why do we need to do text anticipation though instead of using what we have? Because with our article, that's what I mentioned, we need to change the article. Because this article will not state... Anyways, to the end of this year, not that we can start it again next year. So we need to... Yep. Just clarify. Tell me to tell me. Right. Instead of you. We can prepay this with no... Right. That's fair. Oh, we have the money. What are you wearing? I'm wearing a jacket. I'm wearing a jacket. And just make sure we're wearing John and O.K. this. It was just the listers. The board of listers requested approval to make the following changes to the 2018 grand list under errors and omissions in part number two. David Demingware. And actually it was under his name, so... I said this last time, but I wish they would say from two. Yeah. I don't know what we're doing. That's right. We're just looking to see if we can do a big one here. Sure. Can we request that? Yeah. Yeah. I think you said that last time. Did you get one? Thank you. Nope. There's the original behind it so you can read that statement to it. But that one has marked signatures. And it's... It's nice. Good cut for South Hill. Well, 77 South Hill. It's right below me. Now, going up the hills to the right or to the left? Left. Yep. Yeah, they have from almost patty mill to just before my house cleared. Really? Huge. And within like three days they did this. They went to potting equipment up there. Yeah. Yeah. Might be dogs more crazy. Here's it. Does this need a lot of students? No. If not, just pass on those people here's another one for Gallauders. Mm-hmm. Here's this one. Yeah, this should be a lot of students. Oh yeah, there's lines for everybody. Yeah.  A lot of them. A lot of them. Overloads. Overloads. Oh, that overload is just here. Those ones do need all of them. How many do we do? Where this one is? Well, it is. What's the second sheet? This is the everybody grade of there. It's 1721. It's right below my house. Just above patty mills. The guy owns like 115 acres. All right. And he's just walking. I actually have to put my car at bottom. Yeah. So I'm going to have to go to the store after. Oh, it's reading. All right. So those are just curbs. Nothing. I don't know what to stand out on there. The MOU, the more. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right. To the. Pardon me. Yeah. So we just up to 12,000 from 10,000. Is there any? Are we sure that's not how this is made? Martin thinks it is. I talked with Martin. He thinks it is. I'll try it for this year. That's right. What was that number again? Increase the MOU to 12,000. From 10,000 to 12,000. And I was based on Martin's equipment. Cheryl working with them as far as real costs. Now we have a good history of what's going on here. And how much they're putting into it. And also, if you take a look at the parking lot, this is primarily used by the school. Yeah. I don't sound like enough to me, but that's. That's nice. Well, that would be half of the name. So we're actually saying that it costs 24,000 for schools. I guess we're comfortable with that then. And you sent this to Ray Dago. I will. I already told him to please put 12,000 on the budgets to the town. Right. And what was his comments to you? He said he'll take it to Michelle Baker. I hope it was something nice. Yeah, so it was. But is that where you got the English school? It's the same time as one of these. Yeah, once. It was. With the equipment this year. So I will, a couple of things on my agenda, the people I need to call. So I, I'm going to just make you write it down. I'm calling Ron Schendler in the morning. Discuss the lawsuit. And she was. I know a car. So we'll take care of that. And I guess there's nothing else. Minutes. Oh, yeah. You can go ahead and come to this. I moved for a couple of minutes, 12, 7, and 8. Second. Second. Callie, you put a discussion. All in favor of what I. Motion to dismiss. You adjourned? I adjourned. I thought we were going into executive session. After. Yes. So. Well, yeah. Right in session. Yeah. For the same reason as. Right. To the following number 342. The appointment or employment or evaluation of. The officer. Provided that the public. They'll make a final decision to hire. Or a public officer. Or employee in an open meeting. And show it's going to reasons for. The final decision during the opening. So. You need to make a motion on why you need to. If you're. Reading that. You need to make a motion to go into. Right. So that was the reason. So the reason. Yeah. That's the reason. Number one. That's the reason. Yeah. And. What. Specific finding. Yeah. Yeah. Because it can't be discussed. In. In open meeting. Because you're discussing. So you find the need to go through executive session. Okay. Yes. I got that. All right. All in favor. All right. All right. Bye.