Embrace the blue sky Beautiful. That's a nice way to ease into the day. Sparkly sunny day. Beautiful. Well, I was very touched by the movie yesterday and particularly touched by the shareings of those that came forward to pour out their hearts. I mean, really, there's nothing more precious than kind of putting your heart on the altar and pouring your heart out with the prayer of healing. There's nothing greater than that. That is the most precious thing there is. I always am just in such a state of gratitude during the whole process because to me I'm tapping into that deep desire for healing and it's, you know, that just brings, my heart just swells when I feel that. And I think we all want to give up compromise and we all want to experience integrity, having the integrity of heart and mind, having the integrity deep within us so we feel completely connected with everyone and everything. And it's striking to me how in this world that we're not really aware of the extent of the compromise. You know, in our words, in our actions, in our thoughts, in our emotions, there's an enormous amount of compromise in the split mind. And I think it comes down to what Jesus said in the Bible. He said, no man can serve two masters. We know from studying the Course, we know what he's talking about. You can't really serve love and fear. If you try to serve love and fear, you're going to find your mind is like a contradiction. No wonder it seems psychotic and it's split from reality. No wonder it seems schizophrenic and it's listening to multiple voices, not just inside but on the screen every day in daily life. No wonder it seems to get depressed. No wonder it seems like it's wandering lost in the dark, wondering, I don't know how I got here, but this isn't my home. This split feeling, this divisive feeling doesn't feel natural. There's something in us that knows that it's not natural and yet we seem to have lost sight of the escape hatch. We seem to be wandering in a vast place where we don't know where the escape hatch is or like in the Truman Show, we've lost track of the exit door. It's disguised. We can't see it. We can't find it. And so in this world, there's all these contradictions even in the words we speak. Sometimes we laugh at the contradictions like the first time I heard the phrase military intelligence. I just got the biggest smile on my face and I went, yeah, that's funny. That's funny. Military intelligence. Because I laugh because I thought there's no intelligence in the military. That which is based on attack and defense cannot be intelligent. That's not intelligent life. That's artificial life for sure there. But actually when we get into the topic of spirituality, we actually don't realize that there are all kinds of contradictions and crazy things. I remember going to Unity Church because there's a lot of Unity churches around the world. That's the church where I've been hosted the most of any church. But I remember I go into Unity and when I'm with them, they start talking about something and then they'll say, well, it's like this, but we know it will be different on the other side. And I said, what do you mean? What do you mean the other side? And they said, no, I don't know what you're talking about. And they said, when we make our transition, they said transition to where or what? And as I started to realize when I'm in Unity Church, nobody talks about dying. Nobody talks about death or dying. You make your transition and I'm like transition to what? And where? And they say, it's hard to explain. Yeah, I can tell it's hard to explain. And finally I say, how many sides are there? This is Unity. Your name is Unity. What do you mean there's sides? And there's whatever, the next life. What does that mean, next life? It reminds me of when Ramana Maharshi was laying down the body and the disciples around Ramana as he was entering his final minutes they were crying and there was all this weeping going on there in India. And he's like, with these sparkly eyes, the body was emaciated and skinny but the eyes were sparkling and he's like, why are you crying? Where could I go? He was like me, he couldn't understand what are these tears for? Where could I go? The idea, we've even accepted the idea that there's an afterlife. That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Afterlife. There's life and then there's afterlife. And remember what Jesus says in the Course, be not content with future happiness for it is not your just reward for you have cause for freedom now. All we're doing is we're focusing on the now. We're going to go fully into the now. That's all it's about. Eckerd talks about this. I mean every talk he gives he's talking about being present, right? And we know the present moment is the gateway to eternity so it seems like that's where our focus and attentiveness needs to be is on the now, not on this hypothetical afterlife or future events. Who cares? Actually Jesus says the past is gone, the future is but imagined. These concerns are but defenses against present change of focus. That's pretty strong definition. That means the future is a defense mechanism against focus on the present. So much for ambitions, your life goals. They have to, you have to see them for what they are. You know in spiritual circles people say hey you want to come along you know I've got a booth and maybe you could share your books and come to a festival and I say well what's the name of the festival? And they say well it's a mind body spirit festival. I said that's ridiculous. I never heard of such a ridiculous thing. Well you know we're all about integrating the mind body and spirit but they can't be integrated. They can't. They can't. They say oh it's very holistic. It doesn't sound holistic to me. Jesus says in the Bible Jesus says that which is born of the flesh is flesh that which is born of the spirit is spirit. In A Course in Miracles Jesus says you perceive the flesh or there's the key word or you recognize the spirit. He says in the Course what do you want? Freedom of the body or freedom of the mind because both you cannot have. You can tell where this is going.  You get where I'm going with this? It's an either or. And even these mind body spirit festivals well we know that the body is an illusion because the ego made it up. God did not create the body. God does not create the perishable. God is eternal and God creates eternally. That's what creation is, that's what spirit is. The body is an invention, a fictitious invention of this puff of nothingness called ego. And then as far as mind what does Jesus actually have to say about mind? Well he's got a lot of things to say about it in the Course but in the clarification of terms Jesus says mind is the activating agent of spirit. Oh is that helpful? That must mean that the only purpose the mind serves is as a conversion factor to recognize what?  The activating agent of spirit. That's why Jesus can talk about a split mind. He can talk about divine mind but when he starts talking about divine mind or the mind of God he's actually speaking of spirit. So what I'm pointing at here is the body and the spirit aren't reccilable at all. You can't be both. You have to be one or the other. And this is the purpose of the Course in Miracles. It's the Holy Spirit working with your mind, with the mind to convince it of the reality of spirit. Doesn't that make intuitive sense? To see your I am-ness, your spirit, your eternal nature is the only purpose of it. And there's stepping stones about using your mind to be in your right mind instead of your wrong mind. To be miracle-minded instead of judging in grievances. And then ultimately to let go of the scaffolding so to speak and be lifted up into I am-ness, into spirit, the spirit that I am. Now this body that the ego made, I said the other day that the body has in the ego's purposes, it has many, many, many purposes. It can seem to eat, it can seem to sleep, it can seem to draw, it can seem to sing, it can seem to walk, it can seem to talk, it can seem to ski, it can seem to climb, it can seem to have sex, it can seem to do millions of different purposes. And none of them are true, none of them. Why? Because the body's not true.  It's like saying, oh, I got some nothingness going here and can I spice up this nothingness? Yeah, I'll just give it a bunch of different purposes. And then you're in the contradiction of trying to pick between those purposes. You project time onto the body and you call it aging. You project time, the concept of linear time onto the body and you call it aging. And then when the body starts to look a certain way and the hair starts turning white and the wrinkles start coming in, you start to get out your iPhone to make your bucket list.   What does, this is a joke. This is a joke. The human experience as it's being experienced is nothing but specialness. Why is it specialness? Because God didn't create it. The ego made it up. Specialness is another, it's a synonym for ego. Now, this specialness must be pretty sneaky because why would Jesus spend nine chapters from chapter 15 to chapter 24 talking about specialness? That's a lot of chapters in the middle of the book to devote to something. I remember when I used to go to Roscoe, New York to be with Ken and Gloria and everything, I met my friend Dorothy up there and Dorothy worked in the kitchen and we would sit in her apartment and talk and everything and she said, it's crazy up here. I said, oh, tell me about it. You know, Roscoe, New York, up in the Catskills, what's crazy? What's crazy about what's going on here at the Foundation for A Course in Miracles? She said, well, one thing, anytime Ken does a talk on specialness, like a workshop, we have to buy like five times as much food because people start stuffing their faces when Ken starts talking about specialness. When Ken does a workshop in specialness, we got to go out, we got to buy all this extra food. And then I'd say, what else? And she'd say, well, they're all studying this Course in Miracles but they come and they listen to Ken's workshops and they listen and then as soon as the workshop's over, they go off gossiping, judging, fighting, arguing. She said, it's like a revolving door. They're in the workshop, they're taking notes. Good point, Ken. Good point. Jesus says, Jesus, you're right, that's a good point.  This is too salty. This needs more spice and salt and she would just sit there like, this is a course in miracles for God's sake, practice the teachings. There's no revolving door between the workshop and the kitchen. Do not, it was like everybody's very reverent and taking notes but then as soon as they go through the end of the cafeteria it's back to being human. Yeah. We can only stand an hour and a half of that lecture stuff and then yeah, let's get back to judging. You know, it's crazy. That's not going to bring you the kingdom of heaven doing the revolving door thing. So I think it's important to realize that the ego has many purposes for the body and none of them are true. That's good to remember. Second thing is the Holy Spirit has one function for the body and that's the communication device. It's better to start thinking of your body like your cell phone. Yeah. Really, it's like, don't treat your body any differently than you would a cell phone. You don't go to your cell phone at night.  You need some covers? I'm going to tuck you in. Are you hungry? You are. Okay, I'll plug you in right now. You want to be at 100% all night. I mean, you may get a case for it to protect it but some of these cases, have you seen some of these iPhone cases? Really diamonds and dress it up. Some people have different wardrobes for their cell phone. What do you want to wear today? If you could see that you're doing the same thing with the body that you're doing with the cell phone and that you go to extreme efforts to use your mind for all the many purposes that the ego made up for the body and I'll get to the communication thing every once in a while. Call your mother. No, really. It's not a happy day if I do that. The spirit's always prompting us to let this be used to laugh, to share, to smile, to shine. Its only use is for a communication device. It's not hard to remember. One purpose. Jesus is like, please remember this. It's just one. Not millions, just one. Just please focus on this because guess what? As you start to merge with this one function for the body and you start to feel this unified awareness, when you give it over so much to the Holy Spirit, pretty soon you will learn to forget the body entirely. Yes, it will disappear from your awareness. Why? Because nothing in this world has existence in and of itself. Not a cell phone, not a cup, not a glass, not a shoe, not an apple, not a tree, not a mountain.  Why would oneness create parts? Why would oneness need time? Why does eternity need time? It doesn't. The parts are part of the misperception. So basically, I was digging through the Course and I found many, many references. The sole responsibility of the Teacher of God is to accept the Atonement. Yes, I saw that one twice. And I saw many passages where it said, the one use that the Holy Spirit has for the body is for a communication device. And then one day I was going through the Course and I came upon a sentence and I went, oh my God, it's in here. I couldn't believe I found it. I found this one reference where Jesus said, the body has no purpose. And I was like, oh wow. But you can imagine if your mind becomes so unified like the quantum field, everything's energy, everything's perfectly connected, that in the end, guess what disappears? Your awareness of things. You won't be thinking about things and situations. You won't be thinking in separation. You won't be thinking in fragmented mind. You'll be thinking in unified, unified mind. And you are ready for God to take that last step because when everything becomes unified, when you start to see this is all energy and it's all in mind, then you are so close to heaven that God will lift you back to pure Spirit, to pure love, to pure light, to the Kingdom of Heaven. But the responsibility that we're talking about here is to give it over. What we want to talk about today is we want to talk about the seeming process of going from the mundane, egoic perception to forgiveness or unified perception. That's why you're here. You want to really hear it because I was very touched, Lisbeth, when you came down in the front yesterday and I could see your face and I remembered meeting you over here in Holland. I remembered you coming all the way across for a month there in Utah and you may have had some frustrations and some fears and doubts, but it's like when you came to Utah toward the end of that mystery school, you had rage coming up, you had anger and to me, I saw that as a huge advance. If we're sitting on pockets of rage and we're not allowing that to come up into the light to heal, we're just going through the motions while we're sitting on the rage.  Even people always tell me, well, he turned over the tables in the temple. I said, I could knock tables over and be as happy as a lark. Knocking tables over is nothing, especially if there's birds there and there's animals and the symbol was they were buying and selling animals to burn as sacrifices to God and he'd knocked the tables over. I'd do the same thing. I'm not angry. I'm just happy. This is foolish.  Burning animals to please God. So Jesus didn't get angry. That's the thing. Even when people look at certain passages of the Bible and they say, well, he got really angry in the temple. Oh, yeah, well, that would contradict all of his teachings about turning the other cheek and love your neighbor as yourself. How is that getting angry, loving your neighbor as yourself? I can't quite figure that out. That's another contradiction. So when Liesbeth was down here and she was pouring her heart out and I could tell that Liesbeth, you were on the verge of starting to see that there are certain concepts and roles in your mind that you still believe in and you are aware that they're producing guilt. But underneath that, there's a prayer like, help me escape from this. How many here have had guilt around a parent? How many here have had guilt around children? How many here have had any guilt around your relatives and your biological family? How many here have had any guilt around food? Has anybody here had any guilt around sex? Everyone's... Okay, now this is good. This is good. I'm glad because then we can talk openly like, well, there must be, what's the source of the guilt? It can't be really about the food. It can't really be about mom and dad and brothers and sisters and children. That must be some kind of diversionary projection going on there because it can't really be the source of guilt is these little characters that are moving around on the screen or these little pieces of bananas and meat and whatever you want to call it or these bodies doing all kinds of things with their fluids.  My nose is running. That's inappropriate. You're not supposed to have fluid coming out in public from a nose. In fact, I can't think of many fluids that can come out appropriately in public. That's all for your private mind and your private thoughts, yeah. You make sure you do that behind closed doors but you don't go out there and let any fluids out in public. Nobody, if a comedian takes a drink and they spit it out, that might be funny but if they do it in a restaurant that's not appropriate. So we have to start to realize that the source of guilt is specialness.   So actually you have to realize that when Jesus said who is my father, mother, sister, brother he that does the will of our father in heaven is father, mother, sister, brother he meant it literally and when people say I would love to go home to God but I've got all these responsibilities for all these dream figures this one and I've got that one over there and that one there and I'm feeling all heavy down I'm sad I'm depressed I'm guilty oh come on let's look at where is that sadness and depression coming from even duties and obligations you know when Jesus and the Bible said honor thy father honor thy mother how could you really honor them except through forgiveness if you try to honor them in any way except by forgiving them I mean seeing the false is false you will have an idol you will make a graven image a graven image before the Lord thy God you have to really I mean really put God first really that's what Jesus is saying because anything that you value that's temporary is a block to eternity does that make sense if God created the eternal and you're putting value in the temporary and it's basically saying to God hold off there I'm not quite ready to say yes to you and be one with you I'd rather tinker around with these fake images a little bit longer okay well spirit is not on a search and destroy mission that's what your wish it's a death wish no doubt but if you want to play around with the images a little bit longer you can do that and you won't be happy but you know you can attempt that but there's still a huge level of denial going on there because you've been called by God to wake up and you prefer to sleep I like that movie that Jennifer Lawrence did called passengers did anybody see that one where they're on this long mission in space and they're all kind of in these like pods and they're sleeping because they've got to go so far that they have to sleep and then there's malfunctions and this one guy was it Chris Pratt or plays it and everything he wakes up and he's walking along all these pods and he happens to look in one of the pods and it's Jennifer Lawrence she's cute and this is a long lonely trip in space I think I can maybe find a way to wake up Jennifer Lawrence if I'm going to be out here for weeks and months and years with nothing it's Jennifer Lawrence you know so he wakes her up she is pissed she is pissed she has an expectation she's going to be sleeping all the way and she is pissed because she's been woken up ahead of schedule but to me when I watched that movie in the theater bursting laughing I thought now there's a sleep addiction you'd rather sleep than be woken up by a passenger a man she at one point in one scene she's just hitting on him beating him trying to beat the hell out of him she's got all her rage coming up and to me I'm just in the theater laughing going that's a strong attraction to sleep to generate that kind of rage but this is what we're talking about with the human condition there's a sleep addiction going on here there's a draw there's an attraction to the subconscious mind to the darkness now what we do is we say okay we want to move in the right direction and that direction would be to start to take the focus off of the body and how can my thoughts my mind energy my focus how can I pour my heart my emotions into something that will bless the whole that's what made Jesus different seemingly from the sleeping humans is he wanted to know what is God's will for me he wanted to know what serves the whole and when Jesus was speaking you know those red letters in the Bible and when Jesus is speaking in the Course that's for the whole cosmos that's not for this planet those words are guess what for the aliens those words are for those that live on also on other planets because when you follow those words and go into that unifying forgiveness experience you're forgiving all the creatures on all the realms you're forgiving aliens and alien abductions and you're forgiving the whole time-space cosmos and you accept the atonement because there's no life out of heaven so basically you're forgiving time and space and everything that is part of time and space now this is important so how do you do that how do you to go from this day-to-day perception into that well that's what Francis and I were talking about this morning because whether it's projects whether it's relationships whatever you're going to allow yourself to be used for is going to be a blessing for the whole it's not going to be serving some tiny self-concept it's not going to be personal because what Jesus calls us to do is for the whole universe so when we're smiling when we're smiling for the whole universe when we're laughing we're laughing for the entire universe there's only one of us and what I tell people is if you're happy the whole universe is happy because there is no universe apart from your mind and when you're depressed the whole universe is depressed and in terms of prayer whatever you want you want for the whole universe because there's only one of us so if you want a Snickers bar the whole universe wants a Snickers bar because there's only you there's only your mind and when you put God first above all else you've done that for the whole universe you've just done the most glorious thing you could ever do by putting God as number one in fact that's the creator I wouldn't I want to put the creator number one you know in the Star Trek next generation there's Captain Picard it's coming back you know Picard is going to be another series he's coming back Seven of Nines coming back we're going to have more Star Trek but anyway he would always say something you know very definitely we're going to do this make it so number one and number one was Riker was the guy who's going to put it into action well if the Holy Spirit is like the captain of your mind wouldn't it be fun if you could be number one meaning I will do whatever you command Holy Spirit you say it and you say make it so and I don't even hesitate I don't rebel I don't talk back I don't try to argue it out you don't say to the Holy Spirit I don't like that instruction I don't like it no I'm not going to do it no Helen tried that Helen tried that with Jesus where she would like purposefully not pick her pen up and she'd be like go sometimes for days days and then finally she'd go oh right and she'd start writing and then she'd she'd wait for her thank you and Jesus is like thank you and then he'd give a little instruction he'd say a good scribe must be under Christ control and that's the way the Holy Spirit is it's gentle in other words patient no coercion you're not forced to do anything at all but when you have the willingness to say yes yes Holy Spirit I will follow you the Holy Spirit is like thank you very softly like that too thank you because what the Holy Spirit is offering for you is for the whole universe and it's for your happiness if you want to be happy you follow that voice that's the bridge back to heaven why would you not follow the bridge back to heaven in fact that's the only bridge back to heaven it goes by different names in different cultures this is the pipeline so what we wanted to talk about is like Francis can share coming even coming to the community it's not really about the community per se we talk about the prayer we talk about collaborations because that takes you out of this personal orientation into the higher realms and we talk about giving over all your skills and abilities not to make a body identity not to reinforce a body identity not for any purposes of the ego but simply to come back into total alignment with spirit so that you can awaken to spirit we talked about even with the movie last night Rocket Man and I was talking about the drinking the the chalice of the poison chalice and I was saying he took a big gulp out of it but that poison chalice all requires a body identification remember I mentioned like fame and fortune you can seem to have a famous body a body that has a big fortune but not the spirit there's no such thing as a famous spirit there's only one spirit famous to what to who I'm really famous to who Jesus is like to who I'm really rich I am a rich spirit I am not a poor spirit I am an abundant spirit not a poverty stricken spirit how funny that sounds because we usually don't put those two words together poverty spirit people do it with consciousness they try to convince me that there's an abundance consciousness and a poverty consciousness and I'm like wait a minute the ego is consciousness is the domain of the ego so you're saying there's an abundant kind of ego and a poverty kind of ego I thought ego was ego it's like an abundant death wish or a poor death wish that's ridiculous so I don't buy into poverty consciousness and abundance consciousness and trying to do things with an illusory figure to try to get yourself more into one column over the other consciousness is something that's to be transcended consciousness is to be forgiven so you can rise up to unified awareness and then be taken into perfect pure spirit so I know that a lot of you are really interested about the topic this morning that's the context for the topic and that's why Francis can share with us as we talk about projects it's not really about the project but that's the backdrop and when we talk about relationship it's not really about the bodies of the persons but that's the backdrop you know you don't want to skip over the backdrop it's like the story of the story of two Course in Miracles students that start arguing about an interpretation of a passage in the Course in Miracles and it gets more frustrating and more frustrating and the anger level just goes higher and higher and higher until one student says listen I'm not here and you're not here and we're not having this conversation and the other student goes get out of here because what Jesus says you can't deny the body that's the inappropriate use of denial that's a clean example of I'm not here and we're not having this conversation oh yeah okay is there any anger happening coming up well maybe we should focus on what's going on in the mind and open to the help from the Holy Spirit instead of trying to deny that there's something even happening that's an example of like they call it Advaita Vedanta the Advaita Shuffle when you try to just gloss over appearances as if the appearances aren't there you know using verbiage using words but if there's emotions going on underneath there you've got to address those emotions you can't just wash it away and so we do that with projects we do that with relationships if somebody comes say you know I just I'm having a hard time I was doing this and then I got this look from this person we don't all go oh no that didn't happen that look didn't happen oh they perceived the look and they had emotions and then we say how do you feel I'm upset okay you're upset and what else well I don't like the way they do this and this and this then you start to see the projections of an allowance for healing to occur but you don't do it by denying what is informed you actually have to look at the interpretation in the mind which is a faulty interpretation that you need to give over to the Holy Spirit so that's the key to this whole thing for us yeah I just also want to point out what David was saying was so important if we put if we put above all else it's not so much about what we do it's really about what we do it for so in a way our lives probably don't look so different than yours than anybody's we all share a lot of logistics in our lives and a lot of decisions and a lot of relationships but it's really what are we doing it for I also just want to mention one thing on the first afternoon's clip with this Rhonda woman immaculately she actually you know there was a point where all of this opposite tribe came to the house to search and they were calling her name they were going to come in and she there was a point she actually prayed she said you know if I die right now I don't know you to God I don't know whether you really exist or not so give me a chance to know you I can die tomorrow let them find me tomorrow but now I need to know you first so it's almost like she was saying I need to know you before death before living that's the first thing that's on my mind it was so clear in her mind then we saw what was going on in the movie the killer actually tried to open the door and then stopped and that's where she started to say okay you know when the priest in the end opened the door she was like can I have a Bible it's happening here but that is what she decided and now she seemed to be able to share but it's really she lives now because of a higher purpose and she the fact that she's in our mind now is to remind us this is the purpose of our living this is really the purpose of living look at how happy she is she never cried talking about the death of the people and friends and family because she found something so huge from that experience so I just think the thing is she had that moment that was so clear in her mind but how to keep that focus in our everyday life so we have this desire and yet it just gets distracted and lost so really what I want to just probably start and then we might even invite other people from the community to come share their experience so I just want to point a few things out just to show how to keep the focus so clear so that we don't get so distracted in the familiar doings throughout the day so when David started I think the journey with the course I hear the examples a lot and I see that even today that he started by traveling and really just following Jesus he did the traveling to know Jesus and then when after that phase of traveling I believe then Jesus actually said build a website build a website and put your shareings on the website and on YouTube and at that time he didn't even know what YouTube was it was a new thing so David didn't know how to build a website and then it was just all with okay tell me what to do tell me what to do buy a domain with GoldID that's the first step then go back to HTML code do the type in this code type in that code and I think just because this was the the life and the experience that started and it was so clear in your mind that with Jesus you can do everything and there is really no need to rely or be dependent on anything but the guidance so then gradually I think when the community started to form around David people joined the people that we were linking it's really just to continue that channel so relationships are formed so that Jesus with spirit can speak to us so we can pray and hold the same prayer so spirit can speak to us so the way that it started to to look like is that we all just started to say okay then we seem to have this skill or we don't seem to have this skill but let's pray together and see what is our project what is our day look like and then you know of course there are a lot of thoughts at the beginning there might be I feel this I don't feel this I don't agree with you but that's all very natural that's all very accepted because the whole point is that we're gonna forgive all the thoughts that are distracting our clear hearing so we lay the thoughts out we have expression sessions just for that purpose and after expression session our minds are clean and cleared let's hear the guidance and move on that's really what it is what is your project why is that important after we hear the instruction to do this and actually do it because there is still so much doubt and there is so much belief I am the doer and I need to rely on myself there is so much watching to do in the mind and all this listen and follow but an opportunity to witness that you are not the doer the spirit will tell you what to do and if you accept that fullheartedly let your body be used that way it will come through and be done through by Jesus and that's why we don't get so caught up by I don't know how to do this I don't know how to build a website but from the beginning there was a strong witness with spirit we can do everything so that becomes the foundation of how we do things in our everyday life which is a huge amount of trust that spirit does guide us every single day and we can trust and we can carry forward we can carry forward so that is really the foundation of our daily life and of course all the all the the relationships are all brought in by Jesus as well there is so unbelievable the people that are like family they are like family because we know each other so intimately because not because we have dependence on each other we have preference that I like this type of person only because we have allowed ourselves to be so transparent with each other so in the end we realize we're the same we're all the same and there is a deep intimacy and deep trust and a joined trust that okay if we are in the same team together the spirit gonna come through us and carry forward this project to serve the whole not the project necessarily will serve the whole but the fact that we can keep our mind clear and hear the spirit and witness the spirit that is so uplifting for our mind that serves the whole that's truly what is the gift that's truly what's the fruit so you know over many years you might see we have I don't know 100 websites and it doesn't make any sense to the normal way of doing things and all of them are built by the community by community members as a backdrop for this listening and following and for forgiving any dynamics and thoughts that come up among the team members so whenever we form a team we feel okay these are the the configuration then solely this group is going to be used until the end of the project for this purpose we accept each other fully because we use that relationship and we use that function for this purpose so this purpose is very very important so we have a lot of websites that looks like the fruit but it's really the you know if you ask the people who are behind those websites they've been doing it for years they never had any web building skills they listen and follow every day and they're the first hand winners that they're guided by Jesus and they have this internal source of inspiration day in and day out just by doing their function they're so happy and that is their reward there's no other reward they don't need any other reward they never come out to say hey I'm who and who there is no recognition no credit nothing but their reward is what they're doing this for and and then over the years David at first you said that you're just traveling and then someone in Australia said you need to have a product because you need to even for for visas and stuff you need to have a product that's where you started to okay let's put all the recording together and transcribe into books and then someone in the community felt inspired to do that kind of things so that's why books come out one after the next the next but that is also coming out for their own healing so we have this you know seeming teams publication team distribution team design and they all just come when the time was right and they came for the same purpose same purpose I want to heal my mind I want to know Jesus is directing me and I want to do it with a group of people who can remind me and who can help me clear my mind because if I'm living on my own I don't know how to forgive those thoughts because they're just looping in my mind so when we come together then the thoughts got projected then we can clear it continue to clear this then suddenly it becomes very simple and very easy and then you know for Emily who used to be a very trained and skilled opera singer she was training Italy she sent opera and then she came to the community and the spirit said I'm going to use your to organize mystery schools and organize this big event and to start a center in Spain and has nothing to do with singing seemingly and she was like okay then use me use me use me this way and there are many many examples like that I can just say every single one in the community came with this with this willingness and that is the most important requirement really that this is the sole purpose this is the only thing that is required then every day things will just seem to happen through prayer but the only thing that is held in everybody's mind is I'm willing I'm willing to let go of my own will I'm willing to listen to you because you first and you may see some people actually have their skills set fully used they come here they used to be a very skilled technician or web builder and they got used as well like skills or any ability is discounted it's not like that the purpose coming here is to have a blank slate and we pray if it is not a blank slate that's fine let's raise it up let's share and let's forgive so that we can come back to that place so that is really how this was started and held very very strong till today that's how all the projects seem to unfold and what seem to happen because in the experience in my own experience behind those projects all that I can say is all that we do was to pray hear, express express, express, express then then then landed on the prayer then moved forward with it so that's really the thing that is consistent and the form seems to vary every day and you can see how strikingly different that is from the way the world operates for example a couple years ago I was having lunch with Judy Skutch in the middle of the course she's in her at that point mid 80's we're having lunch and she said you know we've just been we just pray together we have board meetings we all pray together we have organization meetings we just pray together it was so cool it's like here in the modern days it sounded like more like here's Judy the publisher of the course saying well that's how we make all of our decisions we pray for all of our decisions in fact it was kind of strikingly obvious to her how different that was from the world because there's another book some of you might know of called the Urancha book and it's bigger than the course it's a book about the Urancha is Earth so it's got the whole history of everything and what was what scriptures were burned and where and a huge perspective the last section actually Francis is going through now the life and teachings of Jesus it's the fourth section anyway the Urancha book is quite it's a little more linear obviously the course is much more direct and vertical but it's still got some very very helpful passages and amazing parables of Jesus in depth in depth sermons by Jesus a thousand years ago and so forth someone from the Urancha foundation came to Judy scutch and said can I meet with you and she said sure so this person came in they met with her and they said we want to learn from you the course has been published and disseminated all over the planet it's been translated into all these different languages it's just it's cut like wildfire and so she said yeah it's it's amazing that's the spirits plan it's just just happening and they said well we want to know if you would if you please would share with us we would be so grateful if you would share your business plan with us because we have the Urancha book and we would love for our book to spread around the world like a course in miracles has and she said we don't have one and he said what do you mean you're like a big organization that's existed for decades and you don't have a business plan she said no we don't have a business plan we have no business plan it's hard to believe well how do you function if you don't have a business plan we pray I mean but what's your how do you move in there we pray whenever we hit something it has to be decided and we just come together and we pray like the original four Ken, Helen Bill, Judy they actually had all these big black binders of typed course in miracles like seven giant big black binders that's how the course was in the form when they kind of all came together and it reached that point when Judy came on the scene. They had these stack of black binders not really a very helpful as far as distribution probably weighed like 50 pounds because they're big binders and so they basically all sat together and they prayed and then of the four it was Judy who actually heard in her mind when they pray they never know who would be the one that would hear it wasn't always Helen actually Judy you heard because they were praying what do we do next what's our next step we got these seven giant black binders what do we do next they were praying praying with that question to Jesus and Jesus did not give an answer he said through Judy in her mind make the commitment they all were like make the commitment make a lifelong commitment almost like to steward this course this is Jesus Christ bringing this amazing scripture which I've heard some people say it's like in Israel they were like all buzzing back in the 70's there's a new Bible they've discovered a new Bible where is it out where they found the Dead Sea Scrolls no it's in New York City what what the hell in Hebrew I don't know the language but a new Bible in New York City can't be so but anyway they all prayed she heard make the commitment first and before they could even receive the instructions which would come next for the publishing where they would get the money and the publishing of the first volume of The Course in Miracles they had to make a lifelong commitment to it and I have to say that of the four all four Judy's the only one that's Judy's still standing yeah yeah yeah well she's in a wheelchair but in my mind Judy's still standing yeah anyway she's 88 and but she's she's still praying and the very thing that Francis is talking about is is strikingly different strikingly different from the way that things operate in the world because when people come and we're working to collaborate together they're coming for one reason to listen and follow to tune in to Jesus and listen and follow that's the priority contrast the previous lives like in a previous life you worked in business and you were a business owner you owned your own business in Australia financial planning and they come from being business owners or having all kinds of skills and craftsmen skills and abilities and then they come with one purpose to listen and follow and then the one who is directing the plan Jesus the Holy Spirit uses the skills and abilities and Francis very eloquently showed that sometimes you know it just these different configurations the publishing team we had for some years that were publishing all these books they weren't professional publishers professional editors professional anything JP he started off I remember I was in the main house of the monastery and we had just finished some retreats I was getting ready to leave and I think Lisa Suzanne and others we were all leaving and they looked around there was only a handful of them and JP was one of them he was maybe what in this 24 years old they come from Hawaii living in a yoga retreat center and they looked around and they went oh my gosh does anybody here have any computer skills not a word because in JP's mind well he knows how to work a computer but he's not trained so he didn't raise his hand he didn't even say anything they were kind of concerned like uh oh we're out here at the monastery he knows computer skills of the whole group of us but now years later he helps oversee an internet ministry with no webmastering skills no IT skills at all and he's doing it intuitively and he's been doing it intuitively so it's better to say that Jesus is doing it through JP and Jesus did it through the publishing company until the point came when those people left and then a professional publisher called and said you know I'd like to collaborate and then it took a different direction but that's all under Jesus's control as well. Yeah and I think it is also because it was truly no investment to any result except to follow Jesus because at one point the publishing team were doing a lot of books and e-books and we have a store and then all of a sudden some of them left and then the only one left said she honestly did not feel any inspiration anymore David said okay no more publication from this point anymore and everybody like no more publication, no more books ever that's it. David said yeah that's it like it's there's no sign and symbol because what is guided is provided so if it is not provided really there is no investment to have anything else and then I think it actually probably in the same month or later then this person who said I have no inspiration anymore got contacted about publisher saying they want to publish David's book so then it started to just review itself but it was so yeah just so clear any of these things that is going on was purely serving you know they're all temporary symbols there is no longevity necessarily for symbols unless they're guided by the spirit and I feel like David is such an example because at the beginning when I started to travel with David I was asking him I said how do you address bathroom needs when you're on stage if the gathering goes for too long I think he just said spirit orchestrated it all like okay so there is absolutely no thought put into anything all this trust is just given to the spirit from bigger things smaller things bodily needs that was the beginning I'm like watching every single every single demonstration and it was truly demonstrating where the mind is focused on where is it at it's like the whole purpose of Listen Follow is just to get down to the unconscious mind and have all the beliefs dissolved in the light so there's no more dark beliefs I remember the movie The Matrix came out and we were doing like a simulation with Neo and Morpheus and then at the end of the simulation thing where they were kind of battling it out at one point Morpheus said to Neo do you really believe that's air that you're breathing I mean how's that for questioning assumptions because Neo had forgotten he was in a simulation and the Matrix is all just a simulation and he said Morpheus said do you really believe that's air that you're breathing that's an assumption you know that's getting off the screen from being a dream figure to the dreamer of the dreamer could have some fun do you really believe that's air that you're breathing from a dreaming position imagine telling yourself in the middle of a lucid dream where you're aware that you're dreaming and all of a sudden your character starts drowned and goes underwater and they're gasping for air and then the dreamer going do you really believe you have to breathe you see how how deep it goes as a dreamer doesn't need to breathe it's just the body the body seems to need air it's a false cause and effect but that's how deep it goes so the contrast too between listen and follow everyone's brought together by Jesus it's all part of a plan of awakening of clearing the unconscious mind let's contrast that again with some of you have dealt with business right you've worked in companies has anybody worked in a company okay that's good does that company have an HR department human resources department okay why do you have a human resources department except somebody a team usually has to manage what the skills and abilities of the employees to serve the product that's being produced so it can be sold so the company can make a profit and pay the employees you know you know the whole business model well we don't have an HR department we have an HS department it's called Holy Spirit and Holy Spirit does everything that HR would do except the Holy Spirit doesn't get a salary isn't that cool HR department you've got to pay everybody has had salary retirement perks how much two weeks vacation three weeks vacation great we've got HS no salary no days off no vacation required great instructions clear beautiful instructions look at the manuals we've got a course of miracles produces great manuals products loving gentle kind never a harsh word never commands never demands wow that's not human you're darn right human that is not human at all but it's more than just an HS department when you start to look at it everyone who comes into the ministry is coming to forgive coming to accept the coming to listen and follow so when we talk about coming in helping out to serve on the plan it's more about hard to hard talks about where are your attachments where do you still feel attached to the world where do you still feel obligations duties where do you still feel you could free yourself up for the Holy Spirit to be used in higher and higher capacities for the whole we're not having typical intake interviews like they do at businesses in the world you know let's see your resume okay how much are you want how much are you asking here's how much the company can pay salary hours vacation perks you know this is how it works when you go to do an interview for a corporation it's a lot of it's a bargain it's a contract but it involves a lot of things like that that are what really all about survival of the body and I have to tell you the ones who come in that are so devotional that are coming in to go for spiritual awakening they all have a strong case of Mother Teresa they are devoted to Jesus they're not coming in here okay what's my salary going to be how many days off how long my vacation we don't even talk about those things because what they trust like Mother Teresa like Saint Francis that they will be provided for if you're doing this work for the whole universe what did Jesus say in the Bible seek you first the kingdom of heaven and what all all things else will be added unto you that all your needs will be met of course in the course of miracles he's very eloquent you know once you've accepted his plan as the one function you would fulfill there will be nothing else the Holy Spirit will not arrange for you without your effort oh my god he'll go before you making straight your path and leaving in your way no stones to trip on no obstacles to bar you away nothing you need will be denied you not one seeming difficulty but will melt away before you reach it you need take thought of nothing except the only purpose you would fulfill now that's a promise that's in the course that's talk about lilies of the field Jesus is like in case you missed it my lilies of the field talk 2000 years ago let me give it to you straight the thing is for me I just said okay then I trust this if I need bathroom breaks if I need food if I need transportation if I need collaborators if I need to build a website if I need to dig a hole or work on a septic pump or do something electrically or whatever either you will show me Jesus what to do which just happened many times with the web I was like what what next I'm like I didn't have any web training at all so I was just like whoa listen follow this is a trip but also I will send people in who have skills and abilities that so things get handled but you see how different that is from relying on human beings to do the task and we're praying and relying on the spirit to handle absolutely everything and I think the one way that I got so into this the reason my trust level went soaring and the reason I really could trust that it worked was I mean I did use the courses in Oracle and for like five years from 1986 to 1991 I was very devotional and praying and journaling and going to some course groups and loosening up in my heart but then when he took me on that drive about trip for five years that's when I really knew okay when you say you'll handle everything you mean actually everything a place to sleep if I need a word of comfort you're there for me if I if I need food if I need rest I keep it heavy on these long road trips and I would have all these emotions going on and I would it would be so intense for me when I was driving over long hours in the United States that it was so intense for me that I would pray and I would say please help me out I'm scared I have so much fear coming up and he would say here let's here turn to this station or play these cassette tapes or back that was dating it cassette tapes you know I'm giving away the age you put in the cassette tape and then it flips over and everything and you do the next one the music was a way of calming me on those long road trips it was a beautiful healing meditation because during my fear I would think I'm not going to be able to speak to anybody I'm not going to be able to be loving or kind or helpful to anybody because I'm in too much fear he'd say just right now just trust me just listen to the music and keep your eye on the road and relax then I'd go for five six seven hours to the next town somebody would welcome me into their house I'd relax they'd take me to a course group or to a church when I got there I was all relaxed oh you're right I'm calm and he'd say good I can talk through you now I need you to be calm for me to address so that's the way it would go yeah and also just I noticed that because guidance is absolutely leading the way and I saw over these few years here is that guidance is actually one step ahead and that's part of the reasons a lot of the times when we're stressed and worried and ask for a immediate answer to a problem we define our mind doesn't come in like fit in the box because because Jesus always give us something normally when our mind can hear is relaxed and a lot of the guidance you know when we together praying in the community a lot of the guidance come in that's just feel like what irrelevant to what we're praying or it's ahead so a lot of the time when David normally is taking that role to just at the beginning hear a lot of the things that we're like that doesn't feel needed at all you know we don't need center another center came in another center came in but it's not my plan I'm just following instructions and they're like what floor what could be possibly it's not our plan and then everybody gradually really develop this trust because as time goes by everybody's like oh wow it was right it would glad that somehow we can express and then just relax and watch there's one example at one point suddenly David heard that we're gonna set up a holdings corporation and that is if you know business you know holdings corporation is to hold assets properties assets and when that guidance came in absolutely made no sense a lot of strange looks people were like what does a mystic have to do with setting up a holdings corporation I said I don't know Jesus's plan but somehow it's important and we need to do it and we didn't even have assets or property to to be held that was the strange part I can't explain it but this is the guidance it was very very strange and they also how much it took to set it up because as a nonprofit it goes through very very complicated process with the government to set up a proper holdings corporation so it's not just a simple thing that doesn't make sense and you can forget it's actually you have to carry it through with a lot and I should say too when Jesus said to set up a holdings corporation I'm like what is a holdings corporation I have absolutely no idea I had to go google it but that's I spent a lot of times he's like twitter I'm like what's a twitter what's a twitter or he would say Skype I'd go what what's a Skype you know I mean with all the even the developers and technology you know I get the guidance from Jesus and I'm wondering I don't even know what that is so initially I'm thinking I don't even know what a holdings corporation is I had to google it because I don't even know what it is but the guidance came in that was part of it and the guidance came in even though people have all kinds of thoughts all expressed openly but there was also underlying trust okay then let's move forward because that's felt it was guidance and give our all our effort and time to actually set it up and months and months months pass by and I think we forgot about it so one day we got invitation to go down to Mexico to actually do two gatherings in Guadalajara this host invited us to do two gatherings so we we planned for a whole week and then the first gathering finished and we were in the car and we were talking about the next gathering and the host said I forgot to organize the second one oh no so we were like oh okay so we suddenly have a lot of free time for that trip so there was not really much to do so we just wander around our host's house around then walked into a property agent is that a property office? I was back meditating but I think you and Suzanne went out and walking around because I was just meditating and then right and then there was some kind of property that looks really amazing like a monastery in Mexico by the lake so then David came and went to a realtor kind of talked about and how it was interesting because you were with Suzanne and Suzanne saw this property in this big real estate book and she said don't let David see this property I mean I'm just down there to do a gathering I'm meditating don't let David see the property so when they go out walking around go to a realtor there was a realtor book that they brought back or they was in the house where we were staying so I'm just in there flipping around and I go look at this one and then they come back and Suzanne is like so I said well we only have one more day before we fly and I said on the way to the airport I would like to see that property we got a realtor showed it to us and then Suzanne who had said don't let David see the property she was jumping up and down when she saw it herself like a little like a little girl who just was in the candy store she got so excited and then so we hop on the plane we met there was a minister who slept all the way and woke up and gave us a sign oh I'd be glad to help you out if you want to do something in Mexico and this and that and then you can tell the rest of the story because we had to get a notario who's a legal expert so basically the second time we were gonna get we want to have that property and we went back another trip and we find this notario notario is more like a lawyer and he just basically said as a foreign resident you cannot own a property in Mexico unless you have an organization so we asked what does it take to set up an organization this is what it takes and you audit and it's so complicated so complicated whether it's you wanted religious or if it is religious those are the requirement if it is non-religious those none of it so we said so we thought okay thanks for letting us know we can live in peace we walked out of the door just to to be informed that's probably the whole point of the trip so we walked out of the door as we were leaving the door he said unless of course you have a holdings of cooperation then you can buy the property directly from a foreign holdings corporation we do as a matter of fact which was sitting there for months and months and months nobody knew what this place was so that's how our Mexico center started sometimes I get a little hint I was traveling all around the world and I started to get Jesus started to start off sometimes like it's some kind of a cat and mouse game he gives me a couple a couple words and I'm like he started saying what I would travel around the world he would say something like it's like urban ministry urban ministry I said I've been in Buenos Aires I've been in Beijing New York City I mean I go wherever I'm asked it could be a barn like this in southern Holland but urban ministry and then it felt like with this whole Mexico thing with the holdings corporation everything he was doing was Guadalajara is very close to where we are and it's the second largest city in Mexico with millions and millions of people and somehow I felt like oh I think he was hinting he was just giving little hints but it's all in the adventure of listen and follow you don't need to know anymore than just listen and follow right now it's really that's how simple it is but these are just like examples about how he says I will make your pass straight I'll go before you make your pass straight with no stones to trip on these are kind of the living experience they turn into a bunch of parables because things unfold and there's no person that's doing it it's like there's some kind of it's a divine orchestration that's far beyond human beings that is handling everything just that everything is taken care of you start to let go of those roles those concerns those worries you know that are part of the human construct I can't serve you God because of whatever reason you know the ego always comes up with justifications and reasons that it's got too much going on in this earth plane on the horizontal plane to listen and follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit and Jesus is saying that's not true you can listen and follow me right now if you make that decision you don't have to keep the guilt from holding on to all these make-believe concepts and this fiction that the egos I'll help you unwind from that fiction so it's been very good very good for all of us we would maybe get some witnesses to just call people up to share some of this you have a Lilo's right there I see Lilo like a trained Broadway singer who's trained to sing on Broadway in New York City with that high quality of voice to be so rare and now you're here running live streaming and tech support with this amazing gift that's been trained for years and years and years kind of like with Emily's opera training what's it been how has it been on the inside with this trip for you how has it gone can you think about guidance points or points where you seem to reach like a point in your life where you had some kind of a calling or something strong coming to you intuitively even though there seem to be lots of options in terms of the world I mean it's like it's like and I feel like it's it happens so much actually during the day if I'm really open for it in just the smallest things I'm just starting to ask more and then just follow, just speak I feel like that's really been a big lesson the lesson has been more clear I think coming more forward lately yeah Emily has been saying over and over you just have to speak speak, speak, speak, speak speak and then I do and sometimes it's really not how I want it to look and then I have to give that over and then I do see it's just you it's just you who's giving me this and then it like it gives me this opportunity to just sit back to step back and let him take it and judge it that's I think has been so incredible it's like the smallest things where I see that I just ask what now and then I just hear turn on the mic or look at that chair or move this okay okay and then I just go there and then yeah that's so huge though because it's going from a personality self we're taught we are in charge of our own person and in some cases we're even trained to be in charge of other people like managers or parents or whatever and then we come into this place where you're like going through a day and getting these little prompts turn this on go here, go there and easing and relaxing into almost just being carried by that or even speaking up where the personality of Lilo would not and then it just something wants to be spoken through and just the willingness to allow that is literally washing away the people-policing of trying to hold on to a personality self and maintain control and that's where the trust seems to come in, it's in the small little day-to-day things that come in those little nuances it's not in big flashy things in fact I do remember even from the Bible and stories in the Eurancia book how with Jesus a lot of times there would be these what the world would call miraculous experiences like really miraculous experiences and Jesus would say things like tell no man almost like this is all for you tell no man you don't have to go running around trying to draw attention to this form thing this is natural or he would say by your faith you were healed or remember that time when somebody came up behind him and just touched the hem of his garment and he went, who touched me but the woman who came up just to touch the hem of his garment had such faith in healing that she experienced an immediate healing from just touching the hem of his garment and he says who touched me you see how involuntary how natural it is so I'm thank you for coming up here and just sharing that because these are how subtle the little nuances just as you go through your day it doesn't seem a lot like to the world but in terms of listen and follow those are like huge trust and huge step because you're letting go of like personal control of the puppet really that's no small thing when you think about it and Helen Shuckman of course went through that when she was scribing because over time she thought I am not going to write another thing down and I've got a life and I've got a husband and I've got a career here and there was a bit that goes on with all of us when we start to surrender to the flow of the current that wants to just take us back and in that I'm not even thinking anymore about what I did before the career and all that it just takes me more and more into what now and then there was you say she did this and this and this and it's like a little earlier someone asked me about my age it's like oh I get so more and more drawn to what do I need to communicate now because I see that there is a lot of compromise or a lot of holding back and when I do communicate there is just this surrender into yeah that we're all doing it together so the moment I don't communicate something I hold this private thought I hold something back then something spins out or there is just I don't feel so connected to the team anymore to everybody and I start seeing that that's where the joy lies be connected it's so beautiful and also as Francis was sharing too those skills are ignored so there are these beautiful collaborations that you've had with Emily and with Emily and Svava I think there's the Beatles, the Monkeys this group is the final vision so you might get to hear perhaps we'll be able to hear the final vision Lilo, Svava and Emily come together get the band reunited here in Holland for non-core performance because it's still everything gets used and even the things that were there, nothing it's just used in an involuntary way you know how spontaneous that was, you were just thinking about sending some lyrics and then didn't you get a message or a call from Svava wasn't there something like synchronistic about even the idea of coming together to collaborate yeah another one of those little miracles yeah it just happens it's like oh I was thinking about this or I had this strong feeling and then all of a sudden it just shows up it just shows up yeah and now as well when do we practice we haven't practiced yet and it's like okay just step back I'll show you the moment it'll be shown and you'll feel yeah just over and over telling me you'll feel it you'll feel it when it's the right moment so I'm just waiting till we'll rehearse to me that's the joy is just any little reflection of trust and any amount of like well we'll just see what's coming and we'll let it be shown to us is so much fun like even last night after the movie I left my cell phone you can tell I don't really put so much care into it I left it here I didn't put it to bed last night it was here and I went back over across the whole way and I was in there and I was in the bathroom and then suddenly the thought came you left your cell phone in the hall and I came out and I turned out and just before I could say I left my cell phone at the hall Kirsten had messaged Slava and Kirsten said I've got your cell phone I'll bring it to you it all happened simultaneously and to me that's the sweetness here's the thought I left my cell phone here's the thought I have your cell phone I'm bringing it to you that they arose at the very same moment it's almost like Jesus going I got everything under control even cell phones that are left behind you don't miss a thing I do you see every move I make you know there's nothing that slips by the care and the love after a while you start to just appreciate all the synchronicities showing how cared for you are and I think that's beautiful so let's all hold that in prayer that'd be fun to hear the final vision sing together and how that will be arranged with practice and everything I have to trust it will happen thank you well let's see I'm thinking maybe Kirsten can you come up Kirsten was coming here to share among all of us teaching here and also that just became some point quickly into the retreat that there was a calling for some guidance and leadership with tech with the tech team because again the tech team is not trained as a tech team they are just showing up with a bunch of technology and these are people that have been working on tech for years or decades and are professionals but everyone doing tech is just showing up to practice listen and follow and then you were called in to help out with that to join and connect in mind in prayer so it's always something new we have no idea what it's all for or how will you be used yes I've never overseen a tech team that had a camera before but yeah it was just obvious I happened to walk in when there was a sound check and I could hear everything like it was mine and so oh wow yeah those words are emphasized I could hear everything Jesus is having some fun it was like that so I said to Emily I can feel it like I need to be in the sound team I can't believe I'm saying this but I need to be in the sound team she came back to me two hours later and she said actually could you oversee the tech team I was like whoa what does that mean but I could feel it like yes however I can best serve this is like the most important thing I feel is the message and the content coming out and when David's on fire you know and he and Francis are like paired up and on fire then yeah whatever I can do to support that that content getting out clearly to everyone I'm all in so even though you need a baseball cap you can use this lovely book as a visor for you right now use that as your visor yeah writing and for sunblock depending on whatever the Holy Spirit wants to use it at at any given time because the book is titled I Married a Mystic and actually I'm trying to remember when we first met was around 2004 or so so it's about 15 years ago we met in New Zealand and then Kirsten was not really a part of most of the gatherings your mother and another woman named Mia from Sweden had organized most of the gatherings but Kirsten started having a lot of people a lot of people saying to her I hear you're going to Cincinnati with David to the peace house she said what and I hear you're going to the peace house the next person I hear you're going to the United States having a bunch of people telling you something you have no clue but it's the same message that's a good example of the Holy Spirit speaking through brothers and sisters where it wasn't something she had heard but she kept hearing it over and over and she had the courage and the faith to hop on that plane even though she had a disability and she'd had two major kind of crashes and everything and she was on disability payments still some headaches and difficulty sleeping she flew all the way to the other side of the world and then thus began our collaborations of being used in different travels times there at the peace house Knoxville Tennessee different things and then journals which are so helpful if you don't have somebody to speak to all the time to be able to journal with the spirit to journal with Jesus or whatever there were journal notes that were kept from these early days and early travels and wasn't it about nine or ten years the journals were kept somehow miraculously to help in the making of the book yeah so every day I would wake up and I would just go straight to the couch from my early morning date with the Holy Spirit and sit there and pray with the pen and journal and just open up and start sharing my mind and these conversations I had and just working through undoing the ego and when you're with such a clear bright mirror like David I could so clearly see my ego you know with this presence of happiness that's there I could say oh I'm not happy and I can't I'm not happy as so I cleared through things they came into my awareness through this journaling and with this support so fast and so we thought well they need to be shared so at that time there was an online mailing list that you had a yahoo group and so I started sharing these journal experiences on this group with about a thousand people and at first it was scary it was like oh my god these are my like private thoughts and my facing the ego experiences but every time I shared one I would get these reflections back from people saying thank you so much oh my god I can relate I'm going through exactly the same thing so over the course of three years a lot of them were shared online and I mean after that actually it was Jackie my mother who collected them all and she got them all together and put them all on Word documents and did a little bit of minor editing and said here you need these and people in the following years they would come across these writings online and say oh my god you have to put these into a book and year after year after year someone would say that and I would feel no it's not time 10 years later to the day now this is what yeah it was like that 10 years yeah it's just really profound so when I would sit right up these journals like they were so deep it was my relationship with God developing and so I would sit at this desk in the peace house we had this little four bedroom peace house in Cincinnati just David and I and two cats that's how the community started and I would sit at this desk and type up these notes and put them online and 10 years later to the day I heard from Jesus it's time write the book and I thought wow that's great but I don't know how to write a book and then a friend of ours in the community Ricky she just out of the blue started hearing this prompt that she was going to write a book so she wrote an email to us and she said I'm hearing to write a book but I don't have a book to write my story believe me it's not worth telling yet what does it mean and I said wow do you want to help me write my book and she was like that's it so I sent her all of those journals that were in the document she read through them and went into a mystical experience she was like oh my god this is it so we met back at the peace house that had been empty for about a year we went to the peace house to spend 3 months for this book to come through so here I was 10 years later to the day sitting at the desk that I'd written up the original journals to finish writing the book and I know it had to be 10 years later because I had to be in a state of mind where I could go through this revisiting of what I'd gone through 10 years before so that it could come through with humour and a bigger awareness of what was really happening because at that time it was so fast I didn't even have time to process everything I was with such a fast moving mystic it was take a leap of faith take a leap of faith you'll understand this later on just keep going keep going so yeah and these notes I mean at least Helen when she took her shorthand down and she went from 1965 to 1972 but Jesus he wouldn't tell what was coming I mean when they started and she said she heard this is a course of miracles please take notes for all she knew she was gonna get a couple pages of notes she didn't know that she'd be going for 7 years taking notes imagine he didn't the Spirit doesn't do that doesn't tell you what you're really getting into in the Bible in the red letters from Jesus he said to those who much is given much will be required and he doesn't really tell you in the Bible what that required part is it's what is required when so much is given but what I like about it too is that here Ricky was thinking write a book write a book and she was so integral to be called in by you to write the book because these notes were not necessarily organized you know you may have had some dates but it's like you're dealing with like a kaleidoscope of gems and then I know for a lot of you it's like Lilo was just saying even the memories of some of the things from recent years have just gone and I think that's what had happened for you over 10 years you can forget a lot of the details so there were lots of holes it was more like Swiss cheese with there was some good cheese there and there was lots of holes and then Ricky seemed to come in to be able to listen listen and then say what happened between this and this and how did you go from here to there and she was the one that was part of another collaboration to pull it out because Jesus ultimately is orchestrating the book even bringing in you just get the hint about writing a book then Ricky and then you're there your mother had kept the notes and then the filling in was one thing and then the editing it was kind of like Francis with her movie with all this footage it's like a massive editing to really get down to Jesus what do you want what do you want to share you see how different that is from like having earthly standards for a book it's more like what is it that's essential that will really be for you and for the whole so that's another example of what we were just talking about about doing it for the whole is so different and you never thought of yourself as an author or a public speaker or anything you even had to go back wasn't it for your GED equivalent for like a high school diploma yeah I dropped out when I was 14 yeah she dropped out I quit the world at a younger age you kind of took a hike and left home at what when she was four years old she left home and her mother washed her you know she helped pack the bag and washed her finally walk away and trusting Jackie and then you came back and that was a big you had that moment and then at 14 was another big one but there was something already that was hinting at you are not of this world probably in this whole room none of us left home at four I mean honestly you have to have some kind of spunk to go walking out the door with your bags packed it's one thing to leave when you're 14 but four you know so all of it is like Jesus is using everything that's there for a higher purpose for the oneness but then I ended up pretty good at leaving you know we're all good at leaving and so there was a point where Jesus actually said to me okay that's enough now you're good at walking out there's another door I want you to go through now and I want you to stay so I feel that's actually what a lot of the training is is to stay can I stay and face this can I stay not necessarily in the physical environment you know there are times where you are to move but in terms of in the mind can I stay and face this can I move through this and let the spirit keep guiding like the timing of things I thought this would take three months because I and I didn't have any judgment as to an external audience what would this be like for someone else to read I had no idea I didn't have that kind of ability after so much focus on the spirit in my own mind I couldn't really do that and so then a professional editor came in and so after the first three months she said oh no we haven't even started this is going to take layers and layers and layers of editing for it to reach a point where everything is is a gift there's nothing repetitive and even that felt like such a mind training process like going through like taking out anything extraneous taking out anything that's not necessary so each step of the way felt like it was a real gift for all of us for our mind for prayer I think that's the thing even when you said that thing about you weren't thinking of it as for an audience and that's the same process hopefully we'll be able to hear at some point Francis talk about that because in making a movie she wasn't really making it for an audience she had to make it as given from Jesus as if it's all for her which is this is for all of us we have to learn to think and pray and act and flow as if it was for the whole universe coming through us and as if we are an audience of one we're not trying to tailor this to a particular readership to make money whether it's a book or it's a movie I know it's fascinating for me because I've gone to these massive conferences that are like 400 500 people and I've been doing them since 2007 and when I went there and I got up in front of 500 people it was kind of fascinating because they would introduce me as an author and I would be like that's the funniest thing I've ever heard here I am I give my life to Jesus and I'm reading a book that says God is the author of reality and if you think you are the author of anything you have an authority problem that's what the course is teaching really that you can't author yourself you can't create yourself you are not the author of yourself is the teaching of the course you are not an author you will never be an author you were authored by God God is the author of reality and you can but accept yourself as being authored by God and if you believe anything other than that Jesus says you have a major authority problem so you can only imagine going and walking up in front of 500 people and they say now we'd like to introduce David Hofmeister David is an author and he's authored so many books I have did I I just talk I don't really write books I talk people record them people transcribe them editors come in they do whatever you have to do to make a book and they put it typesetting I know nothing of typesetting I do not sit down and I've never sat down and think I'm gonna write a book and with Kirsten too it's perfect hearing your story too because it really gives the feel like everything we think and say and do can come from God but there's no sense of personal ownership with anything because there is no possession there is no personality there is no possession so when people say I want to interview you for a radio show I want to I just want to have you're just an author and I want to have the new book that you've authored and I'm still thinking what what because for me I find it absolutely impossible to be identified with author to me that's a concept that doesn't fit with my experience of A Course in Miracles the present moment I can go for that devoted to presence and love mystic I can go for that okay that's fine symbol author what is that but thank you for sharing that because I think with this book and with any books that seem to come this is still all like a backdrop for us to listen and follow there ultimately is no product in listen and follow you're always in just that mode of show me the way I would but follow you lead the way and then things are the props you can use them for sun visors see they work really well for that if the sun's in your eye but it can be you can read it you can look at the pictures you know it's it's just a prop imagine thinking of your own body so to speak your own as just a prop just think how relaxing that is your stress will start to go away because you don't have to put so much thought and care into something that's just a prop on a stage and there's a bigger someone's moving the crossbow of the of the puppet and it's it's not a personal you you know I mean Wayne Dyer I love and he did a book early on called pulling your own strings and I would say now he's with us right now laughing going yeah I could have called that letting the spirit pull my strings instead of pulling my own strings because that's really what it is thank you thank you so much and Soren are you you're behind the camera but that camera looks like it's doing a pretty good job you want to come come up here Jesus has got the camera beautiful he said I thought I was safe there behind the camera there we go well you all get to experience Soren in the movie that's coming up too and just the willingness and the love and the devotion but considering the topic we've been talking about today it's kind of fascinating because for a lot of us we tend to be used by Jesus in projects and areas where we have absolutely no clue like me building websites with no training in HTML and any type of coding or anything I was just like you know at first I'm just laughing going are you kidding me and then he's like sit down at the computer and put your fingers on the keyboard and I'll take it from there and I'm like you're going to channel a website this is really freaky but okay but the thing about Soren is maybe you can bring some light to this is that that the more you've come forth and everything it seems like you've lived many lifetimes in this lifetime and you've developed Soren has developed so many skills and none of us knew about them it's like Jesus is sending Soren in to say yeah well I'm going to use Soren in ways you can't even imagine like like shipbuilding I don't think I've ever met somebody who has shipbuilding skills but those seem to generalize into a lot of other things like working with wood building a loft constructing things and it seems like maybe in your case you went through the ego process of devoting yourself and really being open to learn all these skills and now it's almost like Jesus is using the skills in some kind of a way like playing an instrument whereby we have things that come up and we have no clue and then Soren's like I can do that and we're like you can that's amazing oh I can do that he's just been able to step in with all of these skills like many different instruments that Jesus uses I will share that one example that we have a monastery we have a house and one time we were looking and the whole top half of the house it's built with wood but the whole second floor and the roof and everything is built of wood and then there's a big giant huge log that's like a crossbeam that holds the second floor and the roof of this house together and then one year we happened to be out there and we were walking through the house and we could see that that big giant log that kind of holds the top half of the house was rotting and so the house the top half of the house is sitting on a rotting log that holds the whole thing and we're like looking and we're like Jesus it's like we are not carpenters maybe you were but we are not carpenters we are not we are not experienced in logs we're trying to get the log out of our own eye like you told us before you get the beam out of your brother's eye get the log out of your own but how are we going to get the log I mean honestly when we looked at it we said this is an impossible situation are you going to have to dismantle the whole second floor off because there was a rotten log right through the middle of the house too and it's all tucked in there and there's other things and so we were just going let's just pray well we had a visitor that showed up to come to our community from Ireland and he went over with some other people and they took him into the house and they were talking about the impossible log and he said oh I can replace that for you we were like what? oh yeah I can replace that I'll replace that log for you and we're just like okay and it turns out this guy was like a master builder he got hydraulic jacks and he lifted the top half of the house up off the log and he replaced that log and every time I go into that monastery house now and I sit there to meditate I just stare and look at that log and I go with God all things are possible that's a reminder of that and for you how has it been because when you came first into with this whole mind training thing and then when you were asked to participate in a movie there was probably an internal mental process you went through but going back to just coming to Mexico and then what has come since then it seems like there's been a lot of miracles that have been happening but how has that been for you internally? yeah I talked with Francis the other day about that this whole process first I invited Francis to Copenhagen three years ago I think and that was kind of the beginning of this relationship with the living miracles and and she asked me do we want to be part of this movie team and I've even the beginning of inviting Francis and Jenny to Copenhagen it felt like a prompt I was depressed and I was close down and it felt I have to do something it was like I have to do something and then this facebook ad came up we would like to come to Copenhagen okay I have to do something and that was the beginning and I fell with the movie project it was like I just began to say yes even that was miraculous because what I remember talking to Jenny and Francis they were communicating with you after they had agreed to come to Copenhagen and then there weren't a lot of people that were signing up so then they were saying maybe we should just cancel the trip and you knew somewhere deep inside that this was like really important like no I really think you're to be here I think did Svava come to that one too Svava showed up there and all these things that would have like major ramifications kind of like the movie yesterday when the lyrics were being passed by Ray over to Elton and basically they slowed the movie down because it was like this big event that would end up being this lifelong relationship between him and this writer and for you it was kind of that same thing that gathering sounds like it was very very strongly guided like it was life or death for you yeah I didn't do it you know it was something that wanted to do through me because I don't normally invite people from the other end of the world to Copenhagen and for some reason it just had to happen and I couldn't do anything about it and it was the same thing you know with the movie project I had my own project going and and I had really forgotten about it but then it was just this yes I had to say yes and later after the movie project I came to Mexico and editing with Francis and then it was kind of over and then you asked me to be part of the studio team and it was just yeah I feel it was yes I wanted to but every time it was like I said yes to this and then when I got into it oh no this was not what I said yes to sounds like that for those who much is given much will be required yeah that's what my experience too like oh no what have I signed up for where is this heading yeah because somehow I was confronted with a lot of I know I know how to do this and I know how to do this and that state of mind is not required in this community you're describing all your resistances but I have to tell you from the other perspective when you were coming to Mexico the people around me were so happy that you were coming I mean really happy they were like sorens coming sorens coming to Mexico I remember Lisa and Suzanne were like sorens coming to Mexico and he's gonna need a place to stay and they went running out the door to go house hunting to find a house so that you could come and rent a house and stay in and then when they came back they were holding encounters and they said we found the house and we're so happy but from your perspective you're like oh what am I getting myself into this is a big deal going across the ocean and everything and then the people around you seem to it's just I think the joy of the spirit where they felt like like a long lost friend is now coming into the play and they were so excited about you coming so even that was walking not having a car at the beginning walking there to the Walmart to get the groceries and everything was very different I'm sure from Copenhagen like landing on a different planet it was it was so different because somehow I was so engaged in the project and I felt it was very important to me and and I also felt so gentle because I came to Mexico and I had my own house it was an ease into I could still sit and smoke and I could drink a glass of wine and you know still could keep soaring a bit of soaring so you know there was this very gentle process and I feel it's been like that from the beginning I want to let go of this very very fixed self-concept I want to let go of it I still feel here that oh I know and I have to say to other people what I know so there is this constantly giving up and giving up and I just today just this morning I was just so relaxed because somehow this beginning of this retreat has been so unknown we didn't know what we were getting into and I just felt this tension I'm responsible and Kirsten says and I don't feel I'm in control I had this joining with Kirsten and I said I'm joining you we have no control it was like okay we have no control good talk about being between a rock and a hard place if you feel responsible for things being a certain way you have no control that's like some of you felt that with children like I'm supposed to be I'm like the mom I'm supposed to be controlling them but this is out of my control and then it's almost like there's a feeling like am I doing something wrong because there's something a critique going on in there I'm supposed to measure up to something and it takes a lot of mind training I think to let that go that idea you have to measure up in some way you can't just relax and be used by the spirit yeah it is a major thing you know I didn't know what I was coming into when I joined this movie team and it's and I can just say you know when we came here and the first night we had this dinner here before oh you came and I was just sitting at that table feeling so grateful because I was with the people I loved the most in the whole world it was so beautiful and I'm I'm just very grateful for being in this process even though sometimes you know it's just you know yeah tense everyone can relate that's beautiful that's beautiful okay very good thank you and Emily you wanna come up and share a bit Francis mentioned a number of things about Emily being trained in opera and then and then yeah I think none of us know all the steps we're gonna go through but there's a lot and think over the past few years and we came over here hearing it was a castle but I think Emily and I, did we meet in a in a castle? we did meet in a castle in Ireland an old like medieval castle and that's been there's been a lot of unwindings that have happened there and so it's been many times and sometimes it probably feels like your whole world is spinning and the the wheels are coming off and so on and so forth but maybe you can share a bit about what it is that this devotion to Christ and this deep deep heartfelt devotion that actually there have been a number of amazing saints over here in Europe throughout history and now you're looking at St. Emily she people don't like that when I say that well you're at least a saint in training we're all saints in training right? I tell everybody we're all saints in training so don't get all hung up about that word but maybe you can just share of what it is that's deep inside you that that calls you or compels you you know or what this is all leading to it's pretty deep bring a whole box we've got some time bring a whole box it's kind of like I don't even know where to start but I just I just feel so grateful for everything that's been given to me really just for this community and just the the purpose that's underneath that everything that we do is for one purpose for healing and I was just thinking when Francis was just sharing how I had trained as an opera singer before I came into the community and has seemingly I've done many other projects that aren't necessarily connected with singing there's the bodily fluids there by showing you can let it out no matter what or where or when we don't care about that part but yeah because it can seem like even that could be seen as a sacrifice like because we always talk about we do what serves the whole it's out of this personal perspective or even personal inspiration or yeah anything from the personal we're transcending that and that's where the guidance when the guidance comes in it's always with a much bigger picture of what serves the whole but I was just thinking when Francis was sharing that that it's not separate because you know what seemingly serves the whole and what's seemingly given for me to step into is exactly what I need there's no sacrificing what I need for the spirit and even though that may come up but it's just coming up to be washed because I can't see I can't see the end goal I can't see where the spirit is leading me I can only see from this very limited perspective of what I think I need based on what I think my needs are but the mind is so confused I have no clue and so with the singing it's just actually been really profound for me because I had to step out of singing I had to step fully out of singing because there was so much judgment in my mind in that area that it was like a huge block and the spirit couldn't use my voice there was so much self judgment there was so much yeah just distortion in my mind around that whole area that the spirit is like okay let's go over here for a little while let's step out of that and then it flipped to the other side I don't want to ever sing again like I could feel that that was coming in and then the spirit would be like okay let's sing and and so nothing has been stripped away it's like everything is purely for healing and when I sing now it's for healing when I don't sing it's for healing and and I just see that I think the gratitude I was just feeling at the beginning was seeing how much I'm being given to heal and I feel in the last whatever since I came to Europe last March that it's been like an acceleration it's just this huge huge speed up and it's seemingly the more the spirit asks of me the more I receive like it's like I'm being given so many opportunities to give but I need them because it's the only way I can receive you're like the embodiment of that line in the Bible about to those who much and much will be required because I know for yourself and I know for myself I could not have even in my wildest imaginations had any idea of all the steps I would be put through by saying yes you know I just I knew I had to say yes and I knew that was for the whole and I knew that was for my happiness I could feel that intuitively but I had no idea of what it would be going through it's kind of like the Alice in Wonderland story it's like going down the rabbit hole and then when you go down the rabbit hole things don't look anything like you thought they would look and that's where the faith really comes in because just undoing from the singing okay I'll be an opera singer no I won't sing at all and then you had to really relax to allow yourself to have some fun singing try some different styles and do new things I know when we had the studio down there you were kind of like a little girl gleefully going in experimenting with new things I'd never even heard on the planet before she was experimenting with her voice and types of music and it was like getting into that playfulness like okay you got me spirit I'm gonna let go of all my ideas and I have about singing I have given everything I see all the meaning it has for me to really let go and say you use it for your purposes you use it for the whole universe to take the parameters off then the guilt is gone and I think also because Emily and I have been joining a lot actually this year over here on an island in the Mediterranean where Emily has been involved before we have had a temporary center over here some years ago called Alizena it was near Malaga and then near La Lacuna we had Casa Mixi and now here we are on an island out in the Mediterranean and I said before everybody went down to Mexico I tried to prepare everybody for the forgiveness lessons that would come with Mexico going to that culture I said think of it as you're on a trip to Jupiter and you're landing on Jupiter and you know nothing of Jupiter that's the best place that's the best state of mind to be in when you're moving to Mexico just think of your landing in Jupiter look there's gravity here you better just keep it really because if you have any expectations wham, bam, wham they're going to get hit so hard you may want to leave Mexico after a couple weeks but we've had two temporary centers and now with us joining there was so many miracles just around this center because the guidance seemed to be that we were going to be establishing not renting a center but actually purchasing a center here in Europe and for me that's kind of strong guidance from Jesus like okay you're going to have to go before us and show us if we're going to establish a center over here in Europe and then you and I have had all these joinings even up to the day of the closing on the property you can share a little bit about how that went where we weren't sure if the property would close or not I mean we're asked if we could come to breakfasts with the family the owners on the morning of the closing like was it like an hour before and then walk in to the Notario's office and we were just praying and it was like well let's go have some fun here I don't know what's going to happen whether we'll have a house or not or whether you know we just really had to let go of all expectations and you were really right in the middle of that with all the details with the family so maybe you can share it's almost like going down on a water slide and just not holding on to the side at all just like really letting the water take you yeah it was really amazing because those first three months you were there with me and just to yeah just like what Francis was saying you know in those early days with you she would just like watch you as a demonstration and I could just really feel that it seemed like there were all of these things happening like things wouldn't go as planned or yeah it would just things would be a lot slower than we expected or there were all of these new seeming issues that would come in that we had no clue about and I remember we were sitting in the car one day and you just said we're not responsible for controlling the form like we're just responsible for staying in the present moment and staying with Jesus and following what he would have us do and just in that my mind was able to relax it's like we're never going to be able to get all the ducks in a row but it's like in the midst of all of that just to come back and ask what is it now and I think yeah that last morning was a great example of that as well because we went for breakfast just before we were going to go and sign with the family and it seemed like there was this whole list of unresolved things and we were like okay well I'm willing to let it go that we would even purchase the property it's like there's no investment to okay even to an hour before there's a signing and there's been so much prayer and mind energy gone in that direction it's like in that moment it could completely be stopped if that was the Spirit's will so we just show up and fully communicate share all of the thoughts and then just open to the miracle and there was a miracle it was like you were calling the mother the matriarch the other day she stepped in and she said yeah this is I can't even remember all of the specifics around it now but it was like no we have a relationship and every day that's what it came back to it's like let's forget about all of these seemingly problems on the surface like what was the initial intention behind this property being sold and it was that there was a deep love underneath and a relationship there was something so much deeper and just before we signed it came back to the simplicity of that and yeah it was really beautiful it's fun to live your life this way most people think you go in to sign a house that involves all these legal things as this kind of you go in and even that I'm not a resident over here so I guess who has power of attorney she's like gonna sign and then hundreds of issues over the months hundreds of issues come up including even on the final day before and then even on the morning and even in the Notario's office we were in there for what two or three hours it was swirling around and I'm just as clueless as Mr. Magoo just sitting there she's the one with the pen who's gotta sign the thing so I'm gonna witness and watch it but anyway we're going around and around and finally it all came down to a phone call call mama to see whether this is gonna happen or not and the daughter calls if David wants this house David gets this house like bowling just knocks over all the remaining issues but it's really Jesus it's behind it all you know if something's meant to happen there's nothing that can prevent it from happening and if something's not meant to happen there's nothing that can make it happen imagine if you could live your life in that state of mind that would take the personal out of it you would just say oh well let all things be exactly as they are because I'm not in control but there is one there is one who knows my best interest there is one that knows the pathway back to oneness and eternal love and that one is in charge so be you in charge you know that's how the course of miracles ends those last five lessons this holy instant what I give to you be you in charge so we're just really we just practice with the backdrop of this whole center with that one idea and it just you know it builds trust and just what's been so amazing for me the last few months with the center getting set up and our first wave of devotional stays coming and planning for this retreat as well just seeing that it's like really it's all for me like even if it seems on the surface that there might be problems or things to yeah to get clear that it's actually all just a reflection of my mind and whatever is showing up is the only way that I can see what's in my unconscious mind like it's all a reflection of that and just such a deep trust when a function is given and that is felt and that's why I'm so grateful for the community as well because I'm not deciding by myself what my function is based on whatever you know filter I am seeing through that I'm joined with those whose devotion is to healing and to God and there's no other purpose and then so when it becomes clear well this is the function I'm just step forward with there's a full trust that no matter what happens it can't be that anything's gone wrong because it's Jesus's plan so everything that's showing up is my lesson and every single person that comes to the center whether it's somebody coming to fix the internet or somebody coming for a devotional stay or whatever it might be there are all opportunities for me to listen and follow and to keep communicating and keep communicating and in that my mind is being healed and I don't even understand how because I don't even know what it is in my mind that needs to get healed and how could I possibly heal without having these opportunities and these interactions and then having the spirit yeah just give me the step step by step and what's been so powerful is that really I can trust that the spirit is there and I can trust what I feel like I can trust because the function is given to me that it's not me who's doing it it is the spirit and then to keep moving forward with that and be shown over and over again that there's something so beyond me and so much greater than the personal self that's doing everything yeah it's pretty amazing and Emily for those that will be coming to the center and practicing mind training and everything this is your prayer partner I mean Emily when we had the mystery school that you know Ernestine and Marcia and lots of people have come here for Emily was also part of a lot of the interviews over a period of almost was it a year a year of interviews talking with people on the phone praying with people listening to people what are your concerns what are your fears getting into logistics with people down to the details about well I still have this has to be handled and I'd love to come for a month to do this immersion but I have there's practicalities so that's been pretty much the same with the center we've had some devotional stays people coming from South Africa people coming from America people coming from Japan already to to New York and there's the same loving care and prayer and joining put into every single encounter whether it's through email whether it's through a phone call a Skype call it's like learning all of us are learning to do is to pray together to join if you have fears doubts expose those don't keep them to yourself and feel like you're run by these fears and doubts and concerns expose them and that's what Emily does too she listens and she prays and people are so grateful I think to have you join with them on even the practicalities because for many people there are a number of steps also for what you're doing and it's like you say it's all for your own lesson but you really do learn patience some people say I'll call you back they don't I'll answer you they don't I mean in Spain it's been like Emily leaves a message leaves a message leaves a message a week goes by two weeks go by leaves a message leaves a message a month goes by you know literally she has to teach what she would learn and just convey what the spirit gives her to give and not have any expectation for the outcome imagine yourself being in such a role where you've communicated four five six messages and you get one line response back I'll let you know Jesus what did they say they said they would let me know okay that you see the patience you see the persistence it takes and it's all for mind training it's all for listen and follow it's not about an outcome in the world or people that say that they're coming and can come for whatever circumstance or people say I'm very resistant to coming no I'm not coming no I changed my mind I'm coming and Emily's like okay now okay then you are coming yes I am coming okay now let's pray on what's your flight and you see it takes so much patience any of you have been parents you know that it's that way with children that you say something and then flies over say something again flies over them and you least expected you told me but you see this is what the process is we're here to pray together for one reason for listen and follow to tune in to that prayer and that's amazing that you have been able to do that but it's also it's expands your awareness so much yeah it's so amazing because I feel at peace when I've done my part so it's really pulling back from the outcome like sometimes it seems that whatever communication I make or it goes in the direction that I think it's going in and that's great or many times it's I communicate and it doesn't but there's some kind of clarity comes in like the directions being shown okay it's not that direction it's this direction now but my mind can rest when I've followed the prompts and when I don't hold back and died them when I just go in that direction and that's been really amazing for me like I over and over again needing to let go of what the outcome is how the form looks but as long as I feel like I'm following the spirit I don't have any other responsibility and and I feel like with this retreat it's just like another mind expansion like you know like the whole week while we're here it's like speed up speed up and yeah literally just feel the expansion like we always talk about in the community like take on your area like fully take it on and more and more I'm seeing what that means it's like take on listening to the spirit take on your daily bread what has been given to you by the spirit and the more I take it on the more I feel my mind expanding and the more there's no room for anything else there's no room for Emily and when there's no room for Emily I'm happy because it's only Emily that could be unhappy so it's amazing it's amazing mind training in the sense that it's almost like if you use the analogy of like an orchestra where where most people specialize and they play the trombone or the trumpet or the violin or anything Emily's like since I've known her in these years she's like she's she's gone down into the orchestra pit she's learned the instruments so she's drumming down there and she's playing the horn and she's got the trombone and saxophone going and violin and all this and this and then Jesus is like good very good now move on to this one very good try this try the drum set so it's she's had to be so willing to play all these instruments and then Jesus is like okay now climb out of the orchestra pit and now you're going to conduct the orchestra that's what it's like at the center in Mallorca she's like a conductor pipes breaking left and right water shooting out of pipes at an old house electrical circuits breaking things are dripping things are leaking this is broke what's what are we got today well this broke and that broke and that broke okay I've got so and so flying in the airport and so and so flying in the airport there's airport runs there's things breaking down well we're trying to get some help over here but they're not responding for a month now that's actually two months now we have not responded so then you go back to prayer you know what is it that you would show me what is it that needs to happen so she's kind of gone and played the instrument so she understands about the instruments and then also then getting into the conducting you have to go back to the point where everything you think and say and do has to be a blessing for everything and everyone concerned and this is what I mean by letting Jesus prioritize and direct your day you have to have central casting I call it JC Central what am I going to do now JC Central JC Central Jesus Christ Central Jesus Christ is the command module Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit they know exactly what is most important in any moment of the day and for a human being such a task would be impossible it would be like being air traffic control in LaGuardia or JFK and you need a lot of intuitive help when you've got planes coming from all over the world and planes taking off and you don't want any of those planes to crash you have to rely on guidance so really this is helpful because we're just kind of giving you a glimpse into the world of the mind the inner workings of how important mind training is and it all starts with the decision Jesus you are in charge Holy Spirit you lead the way no matter how sticky my life seems to be where I've put my fingers and my tentacles into all kinds of things where they don't really belong I'm pulling my like ET I'm pulling back I'm saying phone home phone home I want to go home like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz and Jesus is like very good that's a good prayer you want to go home and now I will guide you but you must do exactly as I say I can help you unwind from the matrix you have to follow my instructions and it's so beautiful because you're just such a great example of that seems like it's just remembering again like I was saying I did not create myself I am not responsible for the form it's almost like we have to remind ourselves all the time I'm not responsible for the form even with this gathering here at the castle in these weeks and months actually it's been a lot of stepping back and trusting and praying because there seems to be so many details involved with having a group this size so Emily's not only been had a lot of prayer going on with the center down in New York but also her attention has been letting Jesus guide and direct with a lot of things with this as well so that's kind of a glimpse of what you feel like it's really full on but she's asking for it she's saying I want this because I need this to go through the healing I had a thought a few days into the retreat everything felt so full and I could feel the expansion and I said to Jesus don't let this stop please keep giving me more of these opportunities more and more thank you I'm so grateful for you David oh I'm so grateful you have answered the call that's what I was talking about the other day is the saying yes because that takes a lot to really say yes but that depth and then to be able to keep saying yes in the face of what seems to be difficulties, resistance emotions and you know basically too we've talked a bit but I mentioned today those chapters 15 to 24 on special relationships Jesus basically says in there that you know you've come so far and he says you're almost back to heaven and you just have one more hurdle to overcome to make it back to heaven to remember heaven and that's special relationship and he's talking basically about the ego specialness because basically specialness can be aimed in any direction you can have it with a pet with a person with a phone some people would say oh that's my major I'm doing good with my husband and everybody else oh my gosh if they took my phone away I would be lost but what we're really doing is we're saying specialness is what blocks us from knowing God and deep down in our hearts we're saying God I would rather come to know you than to try to cling and hold on to and protect this belief in specialness because that's the ego think of it this way you have two alternatives here one is that God in heaven is the author of reality and God is the creator and you can only know yourself as God created you so the only way that's going to happen is to know yourself as Christ and then there's this ego that made a self just like it's nothing it made a self of nothing it's temporary it made a temporary world and basically the body is an invention of the ego and it's very much like it's maker the maker's temporary the body's temporary the maker will pass away the body will pass away it's like the ego looks upon the body as it's offspring and it wants to protect the body and it wants to make the body special and unique and it wants to make the body a representative of its separation from heaven so those are the alternatives either you be the Christ with a heavenly creator an internal creator or you be this temporary contradiction that as you're giving reality to the ego to the extent that you give belief and reality to the body you are in your mind giving a reality to the ego to the denial of God that's how deep this goes and that's why the mystics and saints have gone into the the depths of the mind to find their true love the beloved to find God or oneness so thank you for everything you've done and all that you're doing and I think we might have Emily doing a session here one of these afternoons because I'm sure you have lots of questions for Emily considering she's like a prayer partner of such depth of wanting to join in going very very deeply into this awakening and yeah she would be happy to just be transparent and share with you more in depth about what we've just been talking about so thank you so much David and I think we're just going to finish off the session with another beautiful song from Netta we can just sink in to that and then move on into lunch