nce from there. Was she there alone? She's very scared for the abductees who remained behind. They are still in danger. She was literally brainwashed there, really, and she doesn't live in our world right now. She's still there. It's impossible to cope there. It's impossible. We have to get the abductees out of there. If we don't get them out now, they won't get out alive. How did she keep her sanity? What did she do all day? She says that most of the time she just looked at the wall. That's what she had to do and only occupied herself with thoughts of my daughters are fine, my daughters are fine, my daughters are fine, my daughters are fine. She kept trying to convince herself. Are there things that we don't see but you can say that something has changed? Her enthusiasm for every little thing from the most basic things she had before, I don't know, maybe a towel for the shower or some chocolate or something to drink, you suddenly see the light in her eyes that she accepts such things or used to.  Today we're forbidden to throw away food. There's no such thing. Save everything, put it in the fridge, find a place. We were privileged to take care of 29 returnies, now the 30th returnie, almost all of them without exception. The first thing they wanted to do when they met their families was to talk. We heard a lot from them about the psychological games that were played with them as part of the psychological abuse they went through. So it's also related to information that they share and don't share. As part of the psychology of the captive of creating dependence on the captives, but by my feeling from what I hear from the people is that it has been refined at very high levels. What do you mean elaborate psychological terror? The feeling is that it was sophisticated, not random or unplanned, orchestrated, not some kind of relationship that develops by chance between a certain captor and a certain abductee. But to create the psychological infrastructure to play on their minds in a way that would achieve their goal. Was there also evidence of abuse? Yes. But I won't go into details. As I said, it's I can say it's about the whole range of abuse that a person can dream of. I want to hear some of the returnies who just want to talk. And I found myself sitting by their bedsides for hours and listening to their stories. It's no different from testimonies of people who survived the ghettos or concentration camps. It feels it sounds the same. I think we can't sleep at night because of those who have returned and the stories that they have to tell. And I say again, we'll take time for it to come out. And we still have a lot of people there who are being held in bad conditions. And as the days go by, they're still there. Is in a state of war. Families completely done down in their beds. We have no idea where he's seen as our soldiers are fighting on the front line. But the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well. Bienvenidos a news 24 el magazine de análisis y noticias en español de 24 news. Yo soy Nicole Bichel. Se cumple una semana de la guerra espadas de hierro. Después de recibir con la emoción a niños y mujeres secuestrados ahora liberados junto a sus familiares algunos de ellos huérfanos. La guerra continúa en Israel. Eqfir de diez meses de edad su hermanito Ariel de cuatro años y sus padres, la familia vivas recorren de color naranja las redes sociales con los corazones de quienes les importa la humanidad. Más de ciento treinta rehenes israelíes siguen en manos del terrorismo de jamás. A veces pareciera que la sombra del pasado nos persigue y nos preguntamos en qué avanzado y retrocedido la sociedad Palestina. Amen. Al Husaini. El Mufti de Jerusalén se había reunido en mil novecientos cuarenta y uno con Adolf Hitler. El Mufti le pidió a Hitler que no expulsar a los judíos de Alemania ya que quería evitar que llegaran a Palestina. Por lo que le recomendó a Hitler qué hacer con los judíos. Exterminarlos y quemarlos. Que marlos. En estos días en el Consejo de Seguridad de las Naciones Unidas, el embajador de Israel en dicha sede, Guiladerdan, le recordó a los ministros de Relaciones Exteriores de los países musulmanes y árabes y a todos los presentes lo que la dirección palestina en aquellos tiempos incitó contra los judíos. This picture tells you everything you need to know about this conflict. This is Hajamin El Husaini, the grand Mufti of Jerusalem and one of the founding fathers of Palestinian nationalism. Al Husaini dedicated his life to ensuring that there would be no Jewish presence in Israel or in any Arab land. And it was the Mufti's ideology which sparked the expulsion of Jews from Arab countries and Iran. A century ago, council members, over one million Jews lived in Arab countries, one million Jews. Yet today there are only a couple thousands. Where did all the Jews disappear to? The Jews of Lebanon, the Jews of Syria, Yemen, Iraq and Iran, they were expelled. So enough with the hypocrisy. in malos términos daña la psique humana. Octubre 2023, cuerpos calcinados por Hamas, que para los especialistas forenses israelíes les tomó casi un mes de averiguar a qué judío o judía pertenecía. Hamas utilizó este argumento, la ofrenda perversa en sacrificio para intentar crear probablemente una conexión en el mundo musulmán. Está claro que la gran mayoría de los musulmanes aborrecen Hamas. ¿Qué piensa el Islam sobre la vida? Dentro de sus premisas se considera que quien salva una vida es como si salva la humanidad. El testimonio de la fe. Yajada, la oración, salad. Está claro que el Mufti de Jerusalén no representaba la esencia del Islam. Más sabio puede ser un humilde panadero musulmán que mufti. Los palestinos de la generación, pof mufti, pof arafad, deberán soltar la mochila del pasado y construir una sociedad de avance. Y aquí deberemos aquí en Israel la Israel vital. Y ambos pueblos cuando la pesadilla de la guerra culmina reunirnos en Jerusalén. Y para analizar el escenario internacional israelí tenemos Villasuma la vicealcaldesa de Jerusalén, Fleur Hassan Nahun, quien se encuentra en estos momentos en Londres. Fleur, muchísimas gracias por estar con nosotros. Quiséramos saber, el presidente de Israel, Issaad Herzor, se reunió con el emir de Qatar como primer encuentro formal en los Emiratos Árabes Unidos. El emir, entre algunas repeticiones, le dijo a Herzor, evitar que el Mossad del Servicio Secreto Israel y elimine a líderes de Hamas que estén fuera de Gaza. Principalmente en Qatar. Veis esto como una condición del emir en el esquema de mediador que está haciendo de la guerra de Israel contra Hamas y más que nada por la liberación de rehenes? Es quizás una señal de Qatar para poder entrar algún día en los esquemas de los acuerdos a Brams? Bueno, Qatar siempre está jugando un juego doble de la primera, la primera parte que yo arman el fuego, ellos empiezan el fuego y después se quieren hacer los bomberos del fuego que ellos empezaron. Ellos están subvencionando a Hamas muchos años, ellos están recibiendo y teniendo a los líderes de Hamas que organizaron este ataque, este masacre y los sabían. Y ahora se quieren hacer con que yo no me fío de los de Qatar y nadie se tiene que fiar de ello. Si nos pueden ayudar a sacar rene, perfecto. Sino que se quiten de medio. Visa alcaldesa en la Conferencia de las Naciones Unidas sobre el cambio climático 2023, la COP28, uno de sus asistentes fue el presidente de Colombia, Gustavo Petro, quien hizo un paralelo entre la situación en Gaza, calificándolo de genocidio y barbarié desatada sobre el pueblo palestino, el cambio climático también y hasta terminó hablando de Hitler. ¿Qué opina usted sobre esto? Bueno, el presidente de Colombia se ha ha salido como una persona que en vez de estar en el lado de la humanidad, el lado de una democracia, el lado de un país que hay libertades se ha aliado con un grupo terrorista. Pero te digo una cosa, que yo ha hablado con muchos colombianos me han entrevistado en radio y televisión de Colombia y la gente no está con él. El embajador de Israel en las Naciones Unidas en estos días ante el Consejo de Seguridad mostró la imagen del gran Mufti de Jerusalén reunido con Hitler recordando las palabras de exterminación hacia los judíos, el líder palestino en 1941. ¿Qué olvidó el mundo? Visa alcaldesa. Desafortunadamente el mundo tiene una memoria muy corta porque ya solo olvidaron lo que pasó hace dos meses. Un massacre que nosotros no empezamos. Una una guerra que estamos en una guerra que no empezamos. Ellos empezaron, ellos no atacaron. Y ellos mataron a nuestros bebes y violaron a nuestras mujeres. Se llevaron 240 renes. Nosotros llevábamos una época que habíamos dado 20.000 permisos de trabajo a la gente de Gaza para poder ayudarlo con su situación económica que una situación que jamás mismo tienen la culpa de no haber desarrollado una economía, de no haber preocupado por su gente. Ellos recibían dinero del mundo entero y se ponían a construir una base de terror subterránea. Con que nosotros era Israel que estaba dando oportunidad de la gente de Gaza. Y mira cómo no lo agradecieron, mira lo que ocurrió. Ellos no metieron. Nosotros no queríamos esta guerra. Nosotros no empezamos esta guerra. Ellos la empezaron de la forma más barbarica y más cruel que ha existido en el territorio de Israel, que el mundo judío ha visto desde el Holocaust. ¿Cómo debe Israel actualmente manejar la diplomacia en momentos tan convulsos donde el aumento del antisemitismo es bastante considerable? Yo creo que los países a donde tienen comunidades grandes de judío se tienen que dar cuenta que aquí hay una amenaza que ellos tienen que proteger a su comunidad judía. Y esto no tiene que ver con Israel. El antisemitismo siempre tiene alguna excusa. Hace 500 años era una excusa religiosa. Hace 100 años era una excusa étnica. Después una excusa ahora colectiva, el país de los judíos. Pero el mismo antisemitismo es un virus que va mutando. Y aquí estamos. ¿Por qué el mundo no se ha impactado como deberías ser ante el asesinato de israelíes civiles, el secuestro de civiles, niños por parte de un grupo terrorista? ¿En qué ha fallado la diplomacia israelí? No sé si un fallo de la diplomacia israelí la verdad yo creo que es una discriminación que existe contra Israel. Un lavado de celebro que jamás irán. Y el mundo árabe de los radicales en el mundo árabe han hecho muy bien. No ahora. Se veinte años inculcando a la gente que nosotros no pertenecemos en la tierra de Israel cuando el pueblo de Israel es de la tierra de Israel. Pero bueno han inculcado una idea que hoy hace que la gente no nos vea ni como ser humano. Fler Hassan Ahun, vicealcaldesa de Jerusalén y confundadora del Consejo Espresarial de Miratos Árabes Unidos Israel. Muchísimas gracias por haber estado con nosotros en News 24. Muchas gracias Nicole por invitarme al programa. Siempre es un placer hablar contigo. Él cese al fuego y la entrega de rehenes israelíes en manos de jamás ha marcado la agenda en estos días de guerra. Jonathan Regev, nuestro corresponsal de guerra, nos trae este reportable desde la franja de Gaza. Estamos aquí en la ciudad de Esderot, muy cerca de la franja de Gaza, menos de un kilómetro del lugar donde estoy. La ciudad de Esderot estaba bastante pacífica por una semana. La semana de le cese del fuego, pero eso se acabó y ahora de nuevo hay alarmas aquí, hay misiles cohetes que se lanzan hacia la ciudad. ¿Por qué todo esto pasó? Tuvimos una semana de cese del fuego durante esta semana más de 100 israelíes, casi todos niños y mujeres volvieron a Israel. Fueron rehenes de jamás en la franja de Gaza y volvieron. En Israel había bastante gente que quería que ese cese del fuego y el retorno de rehenes continuará. Aún tenemos mujeres y niños que están a rehenes de jamás, pero los acuerdos que de los dos lados tuvieron el retorno de mujeres y niños de Gaza y Israel que libera prisioneros que también son mujeres y niños. Ese fue el acuerdo, pero en los últimos días del cese del fuego ya jamás quebraba, digamos así, estos acuerdos. Si al principio se hablaba de 10 rehenes por día, el último día, por ejemplo, volvieron ocho y también mujeres y niños que tenían que estar en la lista que jamás se daba cada día. Al final no estaban ahí, así que después de una semana ese cese del fuego terminó y estamos hablando de nuevo de combate, alarmas, como he dicho, aquí en Sderot y detrás nuestro en la ciudad de la Franja de Gaza ya bombardeos Israelíes, la guerra volvió. Los dirigentes israelíes se creen que la presión militar es la que eventualmente podrá dar a un nuevo acuerdo sobre los rehenes, se creen que la presión puesta por Israel al principio fue la que condujo a jamás a aceptar un acuerdo, el primer acuerdo de los niños y las mujeres un acuerdo que fue bastante beneficiar para Israel y ahora creen que nueva presión de nuevo jamás quizás se accederá a una nueva propuesta esta vez quizás serán hombres hay que recordar más de 130 rehenes aún en manos de jamás muchos de ellos ancianos, hombres, ancianos enfermos algunas mujeres y también algunos niños entonces lo que piensa Israel es que esta presión al final podrá dar a un nuevo acuerdo será así como muchas cosas en esta guerra tenemos que esperar y ver qué va a pasar para News 24 Jonathan Regev desde Zderot Hassan provocó otra guerra entre activistas de la causa palestina y defensores de Israel en las redes sociales es un ejemplo más de cómo el conflicto en medio oriente se ha ido extendiendo por el mundo afirmó en el club hebraica de Sao Paulo que quienes defienden la solución de dos estados es decir la convivencia de Israel y una posible nación palestina como solución al conflicto actual son perdedores que llegaron al momento equivocado y dijo que los activistas pro-palestinos que defienden ahamas deberían irse a vivir con los terroristas de Gaza es interesante Mossad de 45 años es el hijo primogenito de Hassan Yusef uro de los fundadores de Hamas la facción terrorista en Brasil criticó Alula da Silva por haber llamado terroristas por no haber llamado terroristas ahamas you have intelligence service you have a government and with all its institutions you have advisors you should be well informed on the problem before you make a statement as an official representing a nation of 200 million you're the president of a great nation you cannot compare a savage group that just committed a genocide to a democratic state that is defending itself and the civilian casualties on the other side is the cause of the savages who are taking humanity as human shields Hamas el 7 octubre a los 47 años Hamad Abu Arar se convertió en viudo con 9 hijos el más pequeño de sólo 7 meses aquella mañana su esposa Fatma lo llevó a trabajar en agricultura en el poblado de Miftahim cuando llegaron al cruce de Maon ella redujo la velocidad para dejar pasar una fila de motocicletas que se acercaba la primera motocicleta comenzó a dispararnos acerque a mi esposa hacia mí dijimos dios nos proteja que es esto quienes son estos y vimos que los disparos no paraban también la segunda moto la tercera la cuarta la quinta la sexta todos ocho motocicletas disparando hacia nosotros otro trabajador que estaba sentado atrás también fue asesionado y Hamad tenía por la vida de su bebé que estaba sentado al asiento detrás el niño estaba ahí sin llorar nada entonces dije que será que también él recibió una bala agarré al bebé lo moví y lloró busqué le levanté la ropa y todo y no sólo esquirlas en el hombro durante cinco largas horas Hamad se escondió con su bebé en el armario de servicios que estaba al lado de la ruta y cuando llegó el ejército los terroristas del Hamad se escaparon al final corrió con el bebé hace los soldados y los terroristas que estaban detrás fueron abatidos Hamad que él mismo nació y creció en Rafa se quedó con un enorme perdía y con rabia por la organización que usa el nombre del Islam de qué religión son hijos de pecadores que disparan a quemarropa contra una mujer musulmana con la cabeza cubierta religiosa le dispararon al Islam mismo la tragedia de Hamad es parte del precio que pagó la sociedad de Bedouina en esta guerra 19 fueron asesinados y otros 7 secuestrados y llevados a Gaza a finales de noviembre tuvimos la oportunidad de compartir en la embajada de argentina en israel un emotivo encuentro con los familiares israelíes de origen argentino víctimas del 7 de octubre donde estuvieron presentes destacados líderes comunitarios argentinos que vinieron de visita a Israel para apoyarlos en momentos tan difíciles veamos el siguiente reportaje la casa del encargado de negocios de la embajada de argentina en israel fue el lugar de encuentro entre los más importantes líderes judíos de argentina y los familiares de los secuestrados y liberados de origen argentino que la comunidad judía conozca de primera mano los testimonios de la familia de los redenes que los sientan en persona que no es lo mismo que leerlos en el diario y que también le demuestren la cercanía en un ámbito y como lo habíamos definido familiar en una casa en un living el objetivo era que que las familias se sientan abrazadas que se sientan que tienen el apoyo de la argentina en su conjunto y que se sientan en casa Jorge Knoblovich presidente de la delegación de asociaciones israelitas argentinas renueva los esfuerzos la daya se ocupa permanentemente de que esto sea un recuerdo permanente en los subtes en las canchas de fútbol en los medios en los partidos de fútbol siempre se menciona el tema de los redenes en el sentido argentina de la asociación particular porque además tenemos que controlar mientras tanto pedir por los redenes y combatir el antisemitismo de líderes pues vamos a la quinta como la judía del mundo y la primera de América nos sirve para renovar el esfuerzo escuchar los testimonios y saber lo que tenemos que hacer Itzik Thor tiene dos hijos secuestrados en casa lo más importante después de más de 50 días es que hemos recibido una señal de que están vivos que están juntos y eso después de tantas noches de sin dormir de alguna manera nos permite ver una lucecita al fondo de los túneles y es puntualmente porque están en los túneles de Gaza Amos Limnetski como presidente de la AMIA no se quedó con los brazos cruzados Tuvimos en el lo que es el mate Clalí de los Jatufim el comité central de los de los secuestrados y le preguntábamos ahí unos embajadores que están ex-embajadores que están como voluntarios le preguntábamos si servirá algo lo que se está haciendo uno se siente muy impotente y uno no ve resultados entonces se sirve algo no todo esto que está haciendo y me contestó algo que me hizo muy bien personalmente que es que ante todo no te puedes quedar con los brazos cruzados entonces seguro que lo que estás que estés haciendo algo ya es bueno para Silvio Joskovich hay que luchar el mundo hispano tiene que entender que es una obligación de todo el mundo tanto judíos como no judíos de unirse en un único mensaje somos las fuerzas del bien contra las fuerzas del mal tenemos que luchar exigir la liberación de los secuestrados y no rehenes secuestrados hoy no mañana no pasado mañana hoy Paola Frishta nos cuenta su experiencia como familiar de secuestrados bueno lo más difícil para mi hermana fue no estar con sus hijas estar en la oscuridad y durante casi dos meses comer solo pan a veces no comer ni pan tomar un poquito de agua pan con hongos eso no es eso volver muchos años atrás y de mis sobrinas en más que no están con sus padres de no saber donde están sus padres si están heridos si están vivos estuvieron solas solas en Gaza con terroristas y heridas esto le pregunto al mundo que fuese en tu hijo tu hermano tu tío tu abuelo que harías y ahora quiero darle la bienvenida desde Buenos Aires a nuestros estudios en Tel Aviv a mi compañero el periodista Carlos Urovich como estás bienvenido aquí a nuestro programa News 24 hola Nicole bueno desde Buenos Aires que vengo siguiendo con interés todo lo que pasa en Israel y también a través de la comunidad judía está muy atenta a todo lo que ocurre en esta guerra como tú lo has mostrado los dirigentes de la comunidad han estado en Israel han demostrado apoyo han participado en un encuentro con el presidente Herzog y en la embajada argentina y de alguna manera lo que quiere decir es que la comunidad tiene un apoyo completo a lo que está pasando en Israel es más, ayer tuve la oportunidad de visitar unos de los grandes centros comunitarios judíos aquí en la argentina que es el club náutico ACOAS donde tuve la oportunidad de conversar con todos los dirigentes y con muchos allegados que querían escuchar de alguna manera es lo que estaba pasando en Israel y sin duda no se preguntan qué fue lo que pasó realmente desde octubre y fundamentalmente qué es lo que va a pasar al final cuando esta guerra termina exactamente Carlos como bien dices tanto los lugares donde has estado presentes acompañando a la comunidad judía en Buenos Aires como aquí ha sido importante decían quienes estuvieron presentes líderes comunitarios argentinos es importante acompañar a los familiares de las víctimas como se ha vivido también esa receptividad de intercambio de ayuda, de apoyo entre Argentina e Israel debo decirle que la comunidad judía argentina está muy movilizada es más adelante cuando estamos preparando este programa que el próximo jueves 7 habrá un acto multitudinario de apoyo Israel aquí en el centro de la ciudad de Buenos Aires de alguna manera diciendo al mundo que no hay que comprar el famoso slogan from the river to the sea Palestine will be free porque eso significa que 10 millones de Israelis van a desaparecer y el mensaje tiene que ser hay que terminar con jamás hay que evitar que siga gobernando Gaza hay que desmilitarizarlos y entonces poder entrar en un proceso que a largo tiempo se pueda llegar a un arreglo de paz 1, 2 estados la forma en que algunos se ocupen de manejar la franja de Gaza pero si decirle Israel, ustedes no están solos es lo más importante porque pareciera ser que alrededor del mundo el único que combate a ejércitos como el externiadores como el Kamaz es Israel, mientras los otros ocupan de políticas internas que tienen que ver con quien vota o no vota en Europa o no apoyen el partido democrático republicano en Estados Unidos y bien has mencionado la visita en Brasil de quienes de alguna manera vienen a contar una verdad que para la mayoría no es revelada la gente no tiene en Latinoamérica mayor idea exactamente de que es lo que está pasando en Israel con jamás y con jizbolá y de alguna manera ese tipo de actividad, ese tipo de explicación que se le da que la gente contribuye a tener una imagen mucho, mucho más clara Bueno Carlos, muchísimas gracias por todo lo que nos relata desde Buenos Aires, esperaremos ya a tu regreso gracias a todos ustedes por estar como siempre con nosotros, en News 24 en Magazine de noticias y análisis en español de ahí 24 News, síganos a través de las redes sociales, hasta la próxima Good evening ladies and gentlemen the world brings the truth from Israel to hundreds of millions of people in scores of countries completely gun down in their beds de la frontière de sépar Israel the state of emergency and war in Israel bringing Israel's story to the world by 24 news channels now on hot Israel is in a state of war families completely gun down in their beds we have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well Hintel Aviv was a painted orange this weekend as the heart of this entire nation is shattered into pieces because we're all waiting for those beautiful innocent red heads that got into everyone's souls to come back home, the bebis family the gut turning video of mother Shiri and her young boys 4 year old Ariel and now 11 month old Kfir he was 9 month old when he was kidnapped now he's 11 month old being taken into the God's ship from their home more than 8 weeks ago became one of the most tragic symbols of this war and their father Yerdan is in captivity to Hamas playing a vicious game releasing a video of him a few days ago as part of the psychological warfare the IDF cannot verify claims under well-being and the heart is simply torn take a look wow this is crazy that's a crazy week ups and downs many ups and downs it's an emotional roller coaster this last week is a real wind of emotions because every day we know not to hop too much so as not to be disappointed but every day people return and right now they are still lost here with us unfortunately even today even in the sixth exchange the Bebas family was not included these were shaky days for the whole country and certainly for the Bebas family a week of hope and disappointments while the whole country holds its breath and waits for the list when will the names of Kfir, Ariel and Shiri appear no one will hurt her so that you know how human we are you know she has children everything was said about this moment which became the symbol of this war evil versus purity terror versus horror Ariel is only four years old Kfir is nine months old I don't know how they spent the night there it's hard to believe that more than 50 days have passed since then the two red haired brothers and their parents were kidnapped from Kibbutz near Oz and Kfir received the dubious and terrible title of the youngest abductee last Friday when the kidnapped children started to come back they were so hoping to see them but it was not to be I kept myself strong all the time to be strong but this morning I cried because I couldn't hear one more time they are not on the list it killed me this morning I just can't take it anymore that's it I can't take it anymore so the family decided it was time for the pressure in Israel and especially in the world Hamas claims that they are in the hands of another faction but that does not change the message they should return home are these your enemies we will repeat this in both Hebrew and English are these the people threatening you like this with the pictures of the babies in terms of posters, things do you need something for us to complete yes I need their pictures now I only have the sign they are getting ready for the statement they are going to give at 4 o'clock in hostages square and we need posters of the family members let's make another bag which before the declaration we will distribute to the people there to hold it during their declaration in the logistics warehouse in a horrifying order according to the alphabet the pictures are placed coming to the Vibas pictures a stack with high demand not a day goes by that we don't get questions the people with the balloons begin to gather in the abductees square after midnight the yellow changes to reddish orange all members of the extended family are already waiting in the family room it's been everyone's effort for weeks I know that our family especially these two little ones entered everyone's hearts deeply and all of us together with the entire people of Israel were already expecting them to be here we asked you here everyone is holding orange balloons we will blow them all into the sky hoping that they will reach I don't know, wherever possible let's offer prayers let it reach Gaza for those who need it the main thing is that they return we want them home now now, now a lot of international media has arrived at the square and the family enters the information battle anyone willing to listen anyone willing to interview why the orange balloons? is it because of their orange hair? I feel like some kind of soldier in some kind of war that I don't understand they tell me go to the expedition I go they tell me get an interview I do the interview these little red heads these two young red heads really entered the hearts of everyone in Israel and also the whole world their photos appeared all over the world on newspaper covers no one remained indifferent to these sweet faces isn't there some fear that precisely all these interviews and the exposure and the fact that everyone knows them increases their price because they are the strongest card? did it cross our minds? of course it did eventually we have to make some kind of decision who do we trust and what our intuition says and go for it we had a conversation in the family about this whether we were wrong or not wrong all along but the picture of Shiri and the kids was much bigger than us and it spread like wildfire even if we weren't interviewed even once it just did its job so I absolve myself of responsibility for this thing what? my thoughts are running about the night about Los Angeles? the next morning they continued to the press Yossi hesitates he's supposed to leave tonight in a delegation to meet with politicians and celebrities in LA in my opinion your trip to Schwarzenegger is important you will be able to use it to convey it in a meaningful way to the world let's give it a few minutes and figure out what we're doing here the confusion becomes even more acute when it's announced by Hamas arrives something's happening here let's give it a few minutes and figure out what we're doing here at the moment there is a push on the Bebas family on the two children on Ariel and Kfir and on their mother Hamas announced that they were murdered we're connecting them to the team now now? yes the family does not know how to accept these news it may be that these news have nothing to do with reality maybe this event it is part of the psychological warfare Hanak Azir it was announced that she died and she returned on her own two legs in good health I think everyone is holding on to it now we take this message with limited liability at this stage because we don't know we're playing a psychological game with us Hamas didn't know where they were until a minute before this message did not know he lifted every rug as soon as they run out before they run out of time they suddenly find them in my opinion this is a poor excuse for continuing negotiations it's not just the shaky manipulation from Hamas that you have to deal with there's also the palpitations before the list is published actually this is the last one for the end of the ceasefire in the last few days I kept hoping I'm trying to convince myself it's just to abuse us a little more but they will release them they will release but it's scary because we've reached the day before the last day of the ceasefire the last day of release as far as I know now and they're not here yet there's a problem here the last day has arrived today is the day that if you are not freed there is one more day left we don't have time to wait we don't have time to wait we are very worried we are really afraid of the thing trying to pass the time until the situation clears up there's no other way but despite the expectation a sense of despair comes Kfir, Ariel and Shiri are not listed a chilling sign of life comes in the evening precisely with their father Jordan a video that does not bode well for the fate of his family this is an act of psychological terror Hamas's claims about the Bibas family are still unverified I repeat they are still unverified on Friday morning the fighting resumed and with it the concern of the Bibas family and all the families of the abductees Jordan is getting further away and again they oscillate between hope and despair between ignorance and immense longing the laughter of Kfir, the nonsense of Ariel the smile of Shiri the hug of Jordan we want them back here healthy and whole and body and soul and the orange light we have in our hearts will continue to shine and shine until they are home after over 50 days in Hamas captivity the Israeli hostages the freed are speaking some not all sharing some not all of the horrors they experience in our Erika Jackson is bringing their stories nearly two months after Hamas's brutal attack in Israel on October 7th freed Israeli hostages are now telling firsthand accounts of what it was like being kidnapped and taken into the Gaza Strip among those sharing stories of being taken captive and held under life-threatening conditions are 85-year-old Jochebed Lipschitz and 84-year-old Dica Hyman I was kidnapped in a new city near Magy-e-sha in the middle of the city the food was not a slave from the beginning but as time passed the food was gone it was almost a slave you can say those who have been freed also detailing the mental anguish of what it was like to be held against their will 84-year-old Danielle Eloni who was kidnapped with her 5-year-old daughter, Amelia every single day that passes is a miracle those who have been freed the same message that time is running out I must not leave those who have been kidnapped I must not leave these kids they will not live more details are likely to emerge about October 7th as more of those who were kidnapped are expected to share their stories as well We're talking about volunteers who help with the extremely difficult and painful process of collecting the remains of terror victims so they can be identified and laid to rest properly. And our Orishapira is reporting from Kibbutz Niroz, one of the community's hardest hit on October 7th, on their work there. Nearly two months after Hamas' onslaught in southern Israel, volunteers of the Zaka organization are still working hard to collect body parts from the Gaza border area. Here in Kibbutz Niroz, 38 people were murdered. Israel Khasid, a volunteer and the spokesman of Zaka Tel Aviv, recalls the horrific moments when his crew first arrived to Niroz. We found blood on the bed, so we had to cut off the sheet and bury it. This house looks exactly as it was when we arrived here. One of the bodies was laying on the bed. It had melted from the heat. We had another body here and another one of a 15-year-old, which was lying on the grass, half burnt. In one of the houses, the team found human tissue and remains of hair. Khasid tells us about the tough moments he and his crew faced after October 7. One incident broke me and forced me to take some days off. I couldn't communicate with my family or anyone, actually. It was a baby, the same age and size of my daughter. Some of his body parts were removed. When I saw him, I was devastated. I said, that's it. I can't take it anymore. I'm 25 years old. Someone else should do this job. I got home and hugged my daughter. My wife told me, Yisrael, this is your mission. If you feel that you can't do it, take some time off. But then after several days, I saw that there were still hundreds of bodies which remained unidentified and it's very urgent because the bodies are decomposing and if we'll wait any more, it will be very hard, if not impossible to identify the bodies. So I stood up and I said that I'm willing to sacrifice my soul and body in order that we'll identify and bring as many people to burial in Israel as possible. As we walk inside one of the houses, we're greeted by evidence of the mental challenges that the crew faces. I had a conversation with a psychologist yesterday. He begged me to tell him what I've seen here. I asked him if he can handle it. He said, yes, we spoke for 15 minutes. I tried to hide some of the details from what I've seen here. I told him about one case which really touched my heart. I couldn't sleep after it. As I told him the story, he stops me and said, I need to take a break and drink something. I can't take it anymore. When I heard it, I understood that the psychologist is also a human being. We perform like machines, hours and hours, days and days, without sleeping, without any break for our souls. Israel says that there are still eight missing people from October 7th. Some of the bodies or body parts were transferred to the Abu Khabir Forensic Institute in Tel Aviv. Identifying them may be a difficult and complex procedure which may use different methods such as DNA tests and scans. We had one body that was classified as a terrorist body. It had weapons on it. The CT scan engineer told us that it was not a terrorist body, but an Israeli resident. But all the documents had shown that he is a Hamas terrorist. He showed our volunteer David a scan that showed that he had coronary artery bypass surgery. He said that this surgery was done in such a professional way, he doesn't believe that the body belonged to a terrorist. They checked the list of missing people and they found someone on the list who had the exact same surgery. Our ambulance went to tell his Shomer hospital and got his medical records. They cross-checked the information and came to the conclusion that the body belonged to him. They couldn't identify the body in any other way because the body was totally burnt out. Zaka Tel Aviv is a branch of the famous volunteer organization which has existed for nearly 30 years. It numbers around 400 volunteers. Its main goals are identification, extraction and rescue of bodies and body parts. Many of the volunteers here are ultra-orthodox who see their mission as a religious decree. Bringing complete bodies to burial is a custom in Judaism. We'll continue to work and we won't give up until the last murdered person will be buried. We still have several missing people. Many corpses still need more evidence that we need to collect. We'll continue to come here. We'll search inside the horrors time after time. Going back to these places where the horrors occurred is the hardest thing. But we'll continue to do it. We'll go back here and everywhere we need to go, anytime, any moment, so we can find every small piece of information which can help us identify the bodies of those who are considered missing and who are not fully identified. Zaka Tel Aviv also operates a special center in Tel Aviv with special facilities for cases of mass casualties. This place is called the Reading Center. It is available for times of emergency to receive and to treat hundreds of bodies. We have family rooms, rooms to purify the bodies and to clean them. We have dozens of morgue freezers, we have a big space which can allow us to accept bodies from hospitals from all over Israel. Zaka volunteers say that despite the difficulties and challenges, they are proud to be a part of this organization which brings a final justice to the deceased. Perhaps another example of Israeli solidarity in the last few weeks. Business climate in the Middle East looks murky these days, as you know. But still, in the spirit of the Abraham Accords, business people meet in Dubai, our Bastian Bari reports from there. Jordan has withdrawn from a major water and energy partnership that included the UAE in Israel. Saudi Arabia has suspended negotiations on its entry to the Abraham Accords. Bahrain has announced that it is breaking off economic relations with the Israelis. But despite the war in Gaza, Middle Eastern entrepreneurs want to keep looking at each other, regardless of origin or religion. I think it's a temporary moment of history, what is extremely sad. Of course, our biggest wish, like everybody in Israel, is we want to get free our hostages. No question about it. We want to stop the situation. To be really honest, at the beginning we had ourself the idea, are we really making this event? Are we postponing it? What are we doing? Finally, we decided seeing the relationship between Israel and the UAE and how friendly everything is going on and staying on at the moment. We decided we should event now more than ever because I think it's more important now than ever to build bridges, to build communication. In 2022, trade between Israel and the UAE jumped 109% to $2.5 billion as compared to $1.2 billion in the previous year, making the Emirates the 16th largest trade partners of the Israelis. But the situation remains fragile for investors who prefer not to give in to the siren calls of political haggling. I was just talking yesterday to someone very prominent here in the UAE and he was telling me that he says, I know this, he says to me, I know what's going on in the Arab media and I don't listen to it and I don't follow it and I won't listen to it because I know it's propaganda, it's built on politics, it's built on money situations, trying to influence the people and it's a sad reality that we have to deal with. I'm not saying that Israel is perfect either, no one's very well trying and we all, but always just to say the truth and that's very, very important. What happened is an earthquake, it has to be said. We're not just talking about a war between two states involving only soldiers, bad things did happen, barbarity, everyone was shocked. But Dubai and the region as a whole is a platform for business and that's what counts. Today we're not talking too much about politics. We hope that things will calm down for everyone's benefit. We're keeping our heads down and things will pass. It's a very turbulent time but I'm confident things will settle down. We're in a whirlwind today which unfortunately is considerably slowing down our business but we're quite optimistic for the next few months. We hope that the situation will calm down in the interest of universal values. While the impact of the war in Gaza is already being felt on world energy prices, it is not yet possible to assess the consequences for bilateral trade between Israel and Arab countries. Israelis and Emirates are still hoping to break the $10 billion trade barrier in the years to come. Yemen's Houthis are escalating attacks on commercial ships in the Red Sea, raising concern for the safety of key trade routes. The naval forces of the Yemeni armed forces, with the help of Allah Almighty, carried out this morning a targeting operation against two Israeli ships in the Bab el-Mandeb Strait. The targeted ships were the Unity Explorer and ship number nine. The first ship was targeted with a naval missile and the second ship was targeted with a naval drone. The Iranian-backed militia said attacks like those on Sunday would continue until Israel ends its strikes on Gaza. But the IDF denied the ships had any connection to Israel and accused the Houthis of endangering the freedom of navigation in the region. One of the ships was damaged in a very serious way and it seems that it could be in danger of sinking and other one was lightly damaged. This is an event stemming from negative sabotage of the Houthis. We need to see how the world will answer this issue. This past weekend saw four attacks against three separate commercial vessels operating in international waters in the Southern Red Sea. Three vessels that are connected to 14 different nations which goes to show you the extent to which this is truly a source of global concern and a threat to international peace and stability. The Bahamas flagged Unity Explorer bulk carrier was attacked in the morning and then again in the afternoon by anti-ship missiles. Then the Panamanian flagged No. 9 reported damage but no casualties caused by a missile from Yemen. A third ship, the Sophie II, which also sails under Panama's flag, said it was struck as well but suffered no significant harm. The Arleigh Burke-class destroyer USS Carney responded to the distress calls from these ships and provided assistance. In doing so, it detected three UAVs at three different times heading in its direction and it took action against all three of those UAVs. We have every reason to believe that these attacks while they were launched by the Houthis in Yemen were fully enabled by Iran. This is also one of those allegations aimed at projections which are made in line with efforts to deviate public opinion of nations and to cover up crimes by the Zionist regime and the US government. The US says it will consider all appropriate responses in full coordination with its international partners but in the absence of significant action, such attacks off the coast of Yemen will only increase in frequency and severity. Back to you, Benham. So the US is sending an envoy to the Gulf, will that be enough? Again, I believe it's necessary but nowhere near sufficient, particularly at a time when some of the GCC countries are going to be receiving Vladimir Putin. It certainly behooves Washington who wants to keep these countries in its orbit and actually has the capability to help patrol both the Red Sea and Babel-Mendem with a broader international maritime coalition that it is committed to freedom of navigation there and also committed to pushing back on the Iranian threat. So here is where action and not just words is going to be key from Washington. Is in a state of war, families completely done down in their beds. We have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front lines but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well. Of these soldiers, the policemen and plain civilians who took up arms to defend their communities on October 7th, knowing that they were simply the last line of defense for their families, their friends and their communities. This story tells the story of Yossi Tahr, an accomplished fighter in the IDF as well as Israel's internal security service, who lost his life fighting to defend his community. Here is his story. I miss him so much my heart is dead. Why couldn't he be more careful? How? How could they not save him?  You cheer me up all the time. It's true. It's so painful. It's impossible. I can't believe that Yossi was taken from me. In fact, I went there with the feeling that this wouldn't happen to me. For what purpose? Why is he part of it? Yossi, the good Lord protects him. But no one defended him. Until October 7th, Mazal and Elie Tahr knew nothing about them, not what they looked like or what their real names were. These are the friends of her son, Yossi, killed on October 7th, who remained in the shadow. I never knew them. I've never seen them.  Now when they come here, they give me a little bit of strength. But I miss Yossi a lot. We spoke on Thursday morning. Maybe now is the time to show what he wrote to me. It was Thursday. You read it. I can't. That I want to tell you how much I love you and really appreciate that you're here by my side. You give me strength when I need it. Always thinking, always thoughtful, warm, friendly, with logic and always sincere. It is important for me that you know how dear you are to me. I love you, Yossi. Are three of the most valiant elite fighters in the secret and very special unit of the internal intelligence service, the Shin Bet. They are here to meet Yossi's parents and tell them about the side of Yossi they knew less about. He had a strong personality. Those who knew him got attached to him in seconds at all levels from the simple soldier arriving at the unit the day before to the IDF chief of staff. He knew how to connect with people. Just like that, he gave so much of himself. He would meet someone and two days later is invited over for barbecue dinner. We don't wear our ranks. We don't treat people based on their position. People follow us because of the leadership, because of the personality of whoever leads the unit. And Yossi was all of the above big time. He knew how to speak to people and touch their hearts. We cannot show Yossi's photo and his face will probably never be known to the public. Our slogan is protect and not be seen. In 99% of cases, we were the ones to surprise the enemy. We are the initiators, those who direct the situation. On October 7th, we were surprised by the intensity of the attack, the way it was done, the numbers. And that was what put us in great difficulty in the first hours of the attack. In many ways, Yossi is like Emmanuel Moreno, the heroic fighter of the famous Special Forces Commando, Sayyarad Maktal. But in the ranks of Shin Bet, tales of his bravery and everything he did on October 7th will remain secret, except for what the censors allow us to reveal. It was half past six in the morning of the 7th of October. I received the first phone call from Yossi. He told me, you're not going to believe it. There's something weird going on here. He was talking to me from his shelter and told me that he will call me back when he's on the road to decide what we're going to do. As we drove south, we realized that one of our fighters was hit. And Yossi, with another small team of fighters, responded driving towards the terrorists under heavy fire. He was in an area he didn't know, and we could not yet understand the scale and complexity of the attack and the number of terrorists. We was able to reach our struggling fighter after a few minutes, and Yossi actually saved his life. Outside, violent fighting was taking place on all sides. And Yossi realized that the evacuation is well managed. It's under control. He analyzed the situation perfectly and said to himself that he's the first, closest to the Kibbutz Mefalzim, and decided to support the fighters in the area. Yossi is an experienced fighter with a lot of hours of combat under his belt. He comes from Sheta Shaloshesri, the Marine Commanders. Yossi was in a different level than the rest of us. He often faced terrorists, participated in many operations against them, and had a lot of experience. Pretty early in the fighting, he was able to get hold of one of the terrorists' tactical radios. At first, he listened to what they were saying, trying to figure out where the terrorists are.  They saw another group of about 10 terrorists up the road. He ran to an open area, and the terrorists were hiding behind a concrete shelter at the entrance of the Kibbutz. At this point, he had been hit, and that's where he died. I heard on the radio that Yossi was wounded, and the next call I got was not from Yossi. It was from our medic. He came by here. He told me, Man, I can't keep fighting to save Yossi. It's done. And I know both of them very well. I know about the commitment we have towards each other here. However, when he told me that he did everything he could but could not save him, and that was the end, I realized that we're dealing with a totally different situation here. Did he suffer? No. He didn't suffer? No, he didn't suffer. The first few days after Yossi died, I didn't want to deal with it. I tried to keep busy. Don't think about it. I tried to erase it. Sometimes I'd wake up at night saying to myself, it can't be. It can't be true. But after about four days, I stopped on the side of the road and said, I can't put it away anymore. Just like that. I wanted a moment to process. And I got on WhatsApp and listened to some of the messages he has sent me. And the last one was a song. This song suddenly hit me. It cut off half my heart. And I just stopped. This repression disappeared all of a sudden. Emotions came pouring out.  Yossi was the son of every parent here in Israel. He defended them all by himself. All of them. He protected the state of Israel. He even told us once, if not me, then who would do the job? He's not here. It's just the body. Physical matter here. Materiality. I respect the cemetery and the burial, which is important in Judaism, in our heritage. But for me, this is just a stone. Like you said, it's not him. It's a stone. I think that if there is, as they say, a world beyond this one, I am sure that he's up there giving it all he's got. I have no doubt. Grief hit Eli three times during his life. His brother, Lieutenant Colonel Yossi Tahar, a senior officer at the paratroopers brigade, was killed in July of 1981 fighting in Lebanon. It was a huge crisis in my life, a very, very difficult crisis. I've carried it around for a long time. Twenty years later, when Roy was killed, then they asked me, they told me, you must be used to it. But I said that that was not the case. Now I understand what my parents felt. Roy, Eli's son, fighter in the Nahal brigade, was killed in a motorcycle accident on October 2001. When Roy died, a part of me died. It didn't hurt. It was just that a part of me was dead. Eli was sure he had already paid the ultimate price and that Yossi, despite serving as a fighter who in the Navy commando and later in the Shin Bet would not be harmed, that's what almost everyone thought, those who knew Yossi. At one point I said, that's it. I have the impression that that's it. He's safe there with this protective layer around him. I thought he was safe. Yossi had something immortal about him. In the eulogy his commander said that when Yossi would stare death in the eyes, death would back down. Many Israelis owe their life to Yossi and they don't even know it. Beyond the fact that October 7th, his actions stopped terrorists from entering in the kibbutz of Mefal Sin. He is responsible for hundreds of foiled attacks over the years in service and only a handful of which we were allowed to mention. The departure of most of Israel's foreign workers in the wake of the October 7th terror attack, Israeli farmers are struggling to harvest their crop due to a severe lack of manpower. Now several private initiatives are bringing in volunteers from across the country to help fill in that gap. Arohi Shapiro went to check out one of those in the coastal community of Rishbone and he found that they were joined there by a very special volunteer from a country halfway around the world in East Asia that in some ways identifies itself with Israel. More than 8,000 kilometers separates Israel and Taiwan, but today it seems that the two countries are closer than ever. Officials from Taiwan have decided to join the current Israeli war effort and volunteer to work in the fields of the coastal village of Rishbone. Since the whole world looked at October 7th Hamas terrorist in Harro, Taiwan was one of the first countries to express our solidarity with Israel and express our condolence to the perished people and the political support is very strong and over the past 30 years the social foundation between the two societies and people are also very deep rooted. So we feel it's important to come more support with the civilian sectors including the aquaculture sectors. This is a part of a project led by Hashomer Hadash for the new guard, an Israeli organization which helps farmers across the country. Its co-founder says that walking in the field is a prime goal in Israel today as there is a lack of tens of thousands of workers. The power of this nation, the power of the people, the power of the society inside Israel, this is the strongest power that we have and to tell you the truth I spoke with the minister of education and I told him please let the students come to the field for a few months to the field, stop the learning and come to the field and work because people all over Israel need to eat. Among the volunteers we found Yanir and Maayan two students and a couple who decided to take time off university and contribute to local industry. It's a tough job but it is very rewarding. Exactly. It is nice to see the container getting full of fruit. I think that working in the field really binds us as a couple. Yes. The Taiwanese representative in Israel says that despite the different cultures Israel and Taiwan have a lot in common. Like Israel, Taiwan has been under constant threat from our neighbor, country, China. We understand the commitment to defend the homeland and we understand the commitment to exercise the right of our defense. Despite the hot weather volunteers are not worried by the hard work and continue their contribution one of many since October 7th. Let's go to Kibbutz na Halos. This is one of the places which were most severely damaged on October 7th. Our correspondent Yuri Shapiro takes us there. October 7th caught the entire country by surprise. In Kibbutz na Halos, one of the places closest to the Gaza border, the surprise was even bigger. We woke up around 6 a.m. My partner told me that there is a red alert. I wasn't very excited about it. I said, okay, we've experienced these situations. We'll walk it out so we enter the safe room. The first message I got was from a friend who texted me that his wife was injured. Eventually, she died from her wounds. The door was closed, but I suppose that it wouldn't matter to them. I guess that they realized that we are old people. There is not much to do with us. So they went to other places. Yechiel Chelnov is one of the founders of na Halos. He is close to his 90s, but still very active. When we established the Kibbutz, we concentrated on agriculture. And indeed, we had very good agriculture. We have one of the best dairy industries. At least it was until the war. But it is still working. It's the first time I'm living the Kibbutz. We had security issues when you evacuated young families with the kids, or whoever wanted to go. Kibbutz na Halos was the first na Hal settlement. A collective community of veterans of the IDF's na Hal brigade who combined military service and building communities across the country. In the early days, the Kibbutz was considered one of the most famous in Israel, as leaders and officials visited it. One of the most famous incidents occurred in 1956 when a member of the Kibbutz, Roy Rotenberg, was brutally killed by Egyptian forces. The eulogy of Moshe Dayan, then chief of staff, became one of the most iconic speeches in the history of Israel. Early yesterday morning, Roy was murdered. The quiet of the spring morning dazzled him, and he did not see those waiting in ambush for him at the edge of the furrow. Let us not cast the blame on the murderers today. Why should we declare their burning hatred for us? For eight years they have been sitting in the refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we have been transforming the land and the villages where they and their fathers dwelt into our state. It is not among the Arabs in Gaza, but in our own midst that we must seek Roy's blood. How did we shut our eyes and refuse to look squarely at our fate and see in all its brutality the destiny of our generation? In 2014, another traumatic event happened when four-year-old Daniel Tragman died from a missile sent from Gaza. The Kibbutz was about to celebrate 70 years since its founding with a special ceremony. Ironically, the main show was a play which shows two women spotters who were cut off from their cameras. We were supposed to have a big celebration marking 70 years of the Kibbutz. On Friday we had rehearsals for the show, the plot where the spotters are disconnected. It seems like a crazy story for me, but this is what happened eventually. Around 35 people were murdered in Nakhaloz on October 7th. Today residents of the Kibbutz are staying in another Kibbutz in the north, Mishmar Hayamek, and are waiting to decide on their next step as Nakhaloz remains a closed military zone. Israeli hostages released from captivity in Gaza have been recounting harrowing experiences of abuse and psychological terror. As we've been saying, there are still 138 hostages young and old being held in dire conditions. More in this next report. Is everything okay? My mother was kept in a one-and-a-half room apartment. She was in one small closed room, and the couple lived in the other room. There was a small window in the room, which they closed, and she couldn't see if it was there or not. As soon as she realized she was alone, she simply told us, listen, I decided, I read, I studied. All the stories from the Holocaust. I will keep a diary. I read that Gilad Shalit used to do some sports, and that's what kept her going. She realized very quickly that they prayed five times a day, and she would simply count prayers. She would record it in a journal, and the prayers and sound of the muazzin, all these things gave her a complex of understanding what day it was, what night, what hour, and she revolved around that. When I come to them, they see the distress. You see the distress. Yole, Yael. All the time by their mother's side, she never leaves Adi. Until two days ago, she whispered. She didn't speak at all, not out loud. Now they're a little more, but you know, he's right away from the moment they were kidnapped. What happened? He saw everything. He doesn't speak at all. Not asking, not about the father, not about the grandfather. As far as we know, all six of them were in one place. Tal was not with them, no. We saw some of the children who came with arthopedic injuries. There is a girl who needed surgery. Injuries to the legs, injuries to the hands, scars that were on children, a burn on a child's leg, which he said was a burn from a motorcycle. We saw very low hygiene conditions, at levels I don't remember encountering on children. Stories you hear from other areas, lice, rashes, skin infections. Some of them lost weight in a very, very significant accident. Some of them lost weight in a very, very significant way. What does that mean? Ten kilos in children, a lot. They arrived and after the first meeting with the family, what is the first thing they want to give children who meet them? We let them eat and at some point we found ourselves taking food from the children's rooms so that they wouldn't eat too much when they arrived. That's why I pulled yogurts and rolls out of the children's hands so that it wouldn't be too much. We will have to continue to support them and give them everything they need, both now and in the future, but they are amazing. We've received an inspiring group of children. We know that she did not know, for example, what happened to her father. She was very pleasantly surprised to see her father in that famous video that she actually ran quickly at the speed of light into her mother's embrace and suddenly she saw her father and she was sure that her father had been kidnapped. She did not know that her father was saved and got out of it. The first thing she asked after looking around her and suddenly didn't see Lior, her brother, she asked about her brother and the parents had to tell her this is actually the first thing they told her after she returned about her brother, that her brother was murdered. From what I know, and this is almost the first thing I heard from her when I saw her, this whole time she was without shoes, for almost two months, this girl was without shoes. She says that she was humiliated very much, that she had a very difficult experience, that she was treated badly and this is now engraved in her heart. Everything she does, she remembers the experience from there. Was she there alone? She's very scared for the abductees who remained behind. They're still in danger. She was literally brainwashed there, really, and she doesn't live in our world right now. She's still there. It's impossible to cope there. It's impossible. We have to get the abductees out of there. If we don't get them out now, they won't get out alive. How did she keep her sanity? What did she do all day? She says that most of the time she just looked at the wall. That's what she had to do and only occupied herself with thoughts of my daughters are fine, my daughters are fine, my daughters are fine, my daughters are fine. She kept trying to convince herself. Are there things that we don't see but you can say that something has changed? Her enthusiasm for every little thing from the most basic things she had before, I don't know, maybe a towel for the shower or some chocolate or something to drink, you suddenly see the light in her eyes that she accepts such things. Or used to, she was always, we'd waste our dinner, throw away food as usual. Today we're forbidden to throw away food. There's no such thing. Save everything, put it in the fridge, find a place. We were privileged to take care of 29 returnees, now the 30th returnee. Almost all of them without exception. The first thing they wanted to do when they met their families was to talk. We heard a lot from them about the psychological games that were played with them as part of the psychological abuse they went through. So it's also related to information that they share and don't share. As part of the psychology of the captive, of creating dependence on the captives. But by my feeling, from what I hear from the people, is that it has been refined at very high level. As part of the psychology of the captive, of creating dependence on the captives, but by my feeling, from what I hear from the people, that it has been refined at very high levels. What do you mean elaborate psychological tariff? The feeling is that it was sophisticated, not random or unplanned, orchestrated. Not some kind of relationship that develops by chance between a certain captor and a certain abductee. But to create the psychological infrastructure, to play on their minds in a way that would achieve their goal. Was there also evidence of abuse? Yes. But I won't go into details. As I said, I can say it's about the whole range of abuse that a person can dream of. Official Dresser of I-24 News. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Israel is at war. Make an investment in Israel bonds. It is the most powerful and direct way to stand with Israel. Visit israelbonds.com and invest now. Is in a state of war. Families completely done down in their beds. We have no idea where she is. Our soldiers are fighting on the front lines. But the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well. Thank you for joining us here on I-24 News. Our rolling coverage of day 63 of the war continues. Over the past hour, attacks of terror groups on Israelis continued in Israel's south, center and north. A barrage of Hamas rockets was fired towards Tel Aviv and central Israel for the second time this afternoon, causing some minor damages from successful interceptions of Israel's iron dome system. In the West Bank, an Israeli soldier was injured by live fire at an IDF post near the town of Yadavad. Forces are searching for the terrorists setting roadblocks in the area. In the north, live fire was carried out from Lebanon on an IDF post with Israeli military striking the source of the fire in response. The IDF, saying earlier, it had hit 450 Hamas sites in the past 24 hours. At the moment, 137 hostages remain in Hamas captivity in Gaza, including babies and elderly. Meanwhile, these are the images of scores of Hamas operatives who have surrendered to the IDF they will be brought to Israel for questioning. And the UN Security Council is set to vote on a ceasefire resolution with UN Chief Antonio Guterres claiming civilians in Gaza were told to move like human pinballs. Also, let's hear from Israeli Ambassador Elad El-Orda. Everything I just described represents an unprecedented situation that led to my unprecedented decision to invoke Article 99, urging the members of the Security Council to press to avert a humanitarian catastrophe and the appealing for a humanitarian ceasefire to be declared. Mr. President, we are all aware that Israel began its military operations in response to the brutal terror attacks unleashed by Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups on 7 October.  There is no possible justification for deliberately killing some 1,200 people, including 33 children, injuring thousands more and taking hundreds of hostages. Some 130 hostages are still held captive and I call for their immediate and unconditional release as well as their humane treatment and visits from the international community of the Red Cross until they are freed. At the same time, the brutality perpetrated by Hamas can never justify the collective punishment of the Palestinian people. The true path to ensure peace is only through supporting Israel's mission, absolutely not to call for a ceasefire. And secondly, distinguished colleagues, for those of you calling for a ceasefire, it is crucial that you remember the facts. On October 6, there was a ceasefire in place. But on October 7, Hamas broke the ceasefire with an unprovoked invasion of thousands of Hamas Nazis into Israel. And calling for a ceasefire is precisely what ensures that this will continue. A ceasefire means that the suffering of all will carry on. The ceasefire cements Hamas's control of Gaza. But even more than that, calling for a ceasefire sends a clear message that Hamas is forgiven for their deliberate atrocities. And Hamas's oppression of Gazans is given a green light by the international community. For more, let's go straight to New York now. Our senior year's correspondent, Mike Wagenheim, is there for us. Mike, thank you for joining us. When do we expect this vote? And will we see a veto of the U.S. on this decision? Well, I think one goes without the other in this case. I don't think at this point that the Security Council is going to bring this to a vote unless they have some way of passing it, unless they have some way of going around a U.S. veto on this, unless they can get the U.S. to agree to new terminology within this graph. The U.S. has been quite clear that the Arab Emirates drafted resolution is in no go with them. In fact, Deputy Ambassador Robert Wood addressed the Security Council this afternoon. He made quite clear that Washington is not on board. Let's give it a listen.  In fact, the U.S. has been quite clear that the Arab Emirates must not disconnect between the discussions that we have been having in this chamber and the realities on the ground. An undeniable part of that reality is that if Israel unilaterally laid down its weapons today, as some member states have called for, Hamas would continue to hold hostages. Women and children, who can live in peace and security, we do not support calls for an immediate ceasefire. Now, this resolution calls for the immediate release of all the hostages, and it also calls for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire. That second clause is what the U.S. says is unacceptable at this point. The United Kingdom has also expressed some reservations with it. The French Ambassador to the U.N. Nicola de Riviere said to journalist earlier today, that it's not worth rushing a vote with some agreement here. It's not worth rushing a vote. Now, a vote was supposed to take place this morning, New York time. It's already been pushed back to 5.30 p.m. Eastern time. Meanwhile, about an hour prior to that, Arab ministers are gathered in D.C. They want to speak and have a meeting set up with Secretary of State Blinken to try to convince him not to veto the resolution according to the Deputy Ambassador to cut out for them this afternoon if they want to reverse Washington's stance on this resolution that's been floated. And Mike, another hot topic between Israel and the U.S. are these conflicting reports over the past day over that possible U.S. deadline for Israel's war in Gaza, some suggesting the Americans are pushing to end this war by the end of this month, something that Israel obviously will not be able to accept. Who's right? Who's right here? I think it's a mix of both things. I don't think anybody's right or wrong here. I think the Americans have an interest in seeing this military operation wind down as efficiently and as quickly as possible. It also has an interest of limiting the civilian casualties in Gaza. Those two things don't directly correlate. Essentially, what you're saying to the Israeli government and the IDF is if you want to wrap up things quickly, if we're setting a deadline, that means that Israel has to then quickly try to obtain all of its objectives there in Gaza. Well, what do you do if you're doing things quickly? Well, you're not doing them with concern. You're not doing them with preciseness. You're just kind of doing what the United States criticized Israel for doing in northern Gaza, which is not protecting the civilian population there because they wanted to take out so many Hamas targets in such a quick amount of time. That really doesn't make a whole lot of sense just on its face for the United States to really be setting some sort of hard deadline here. So it's somewhere in between. The US is saying, listen, this can't go on forever, but I don't think they're setting any sort of hard deadline here. It's not in their interest. It's not in the Palestinians' interest and for that matter, probably not in Israel's interest either. Certainly, at least by the official statements of the Americans, they know what it needs to do in order to eliminate this threat. Mike Wagenham, senior US correspondent, thank you very much for that update. And now for more, I'm joined in studio by Rafael Urshami, a security analyst and former senior intelligence officer in the IDF. So much talk about the deadline or how much time will Israel have at least according to its allies, but how much time does it really need in order to eliminate Hamas at this moment? Listen, the deadline that by the administration may have set at the end of the year, at the end of this month is not such a big problem because we have to see what we defined by war, full-fledged war. If we're speaking of full-fledged war and the huge intense assault that we are witnessing right now, the Israelis themselves consider that they might achieve that around the mid- or end of January. So there's not such a big difference in the timing and I'm sure the Americans will let us pass the deadline a little and maybe we'll shorten by a few days, but this very intense fighting cannot be led endlessly even by the IDF troops. So at some point it will have to bring results. We actually are noticing right now that things are going much better and faster than expected in Hanyounis, which is a very harsh place and is the main bastion of the Hamas and we are doing quite well. We're also controlling a lot of areas that we thought would take more time to control. So hopefully we will end this very major assault in months or two at the most. After that, the war is not over. After that, and I think even the Americans understand that and the international community you have to do the cleanup. It's weeks and weeks of low-level combat, which is like going everywhere into Gaza to suppress the last pockets of armed resistance but also to clean Gaza of the white-collar terrorists of all those civil servants like the director of the Shifa hospital who were holding key jobs in Gaza who are holding Gaza through the civil administration. They also have to be neutralized for Gaza to become free. What the Secretary General of the United Nations doesn't realize is that what he wants as a humanitarian move sees fire is actually against the interests of the people of Gaza who are freeing the people of Gaza for the most humanitarian plague they were ever suffered, which is the rule of the Hamas. They themselves already are saying it to the people of Gaza that they are fed up with the Hamas regime. So we are freeing them. And by the way, just a little note. The speech of Mr. Gutierrez is canceled immediately by one word when he says unprecedented. So either Mr. Gutierrez doesn't know history or he's a liar but unprecedented the last time close 99 was called was like 30 years ago and during the 30 years there was no civil war in Syria there was no war against Ukraine there was nothing happened. It's unprecedented. So that shows how serious this Mr. Gutierrez is the fact that he doesn't understand that we are doing this fight not only for us but for the stability of the region and to have a terrorist faction chased away from holding hostage 2 million Palestinians who want a better life shows that he's on the wrong camp he has chosen the wrong camp that's his problem but it's a danger for the rest of the world because there are so many other places in the world where the United Nations and international community should intervene should do something but they are so focused on the Middle East that they are not doing anything else they are busy with us and that's very regrettable for all the other people who suffer in the rest of the world. Yes I think there's a lot of talk about moral relativism and in his case perhaps a case of historical relativism forgetting what is unprecedented in this conflict Rafael stay with me because I want to take our viewers now to the north of Israel rocket attacks continue over the past hour and the IDF is already responding and is there for us what's the latest? Right guys so just a short while ago reports of sirens in the western Galilee still there was no official siren or alert in the IDF's home front app but if indeed this was rockets launched from Lebanon it would be the second such attack in the past hour a short hour ago siren sounded in the northern upper Galilee in the area of Malot Tarshicha Israel's emergency services Mada saying that there were no injuries as a result of this barrage of rockets the IDF also said that live fire was opened in the vicinity of the area of Matat along the border IDF responded with artillery and indeed on the Lebanese side we're hearing reports of artillery firing on the western part of southern Lebanon but also an interesting statement from the Lebanese army claiming that one of Israel's strikes didn't specify if it was airstrike or artillery hit military medical clinic in that's in the central sector of the border there were no injuries but damage was caused to the structure and this just shows the extent of exchange of fire along the Lebanon border Hezbollah so far today claiming responsibility for eight attacks along the border on IDF posts there have been no reports of injuries as a result of any of these attacks but indeed the situation another day of fighting another evening of exchange of fire on the Israel Lebanon border Ariella this fighting goes on both in the north but also in the south I myself was in the road for several days this week a town that has become literally a ghost town all the residents there were evacuated very few people do make their way into that area how is that like when it comes to the north how much movement are you seeing what are you hearing from the residents there it's pretty much a mirror image the border communities the situation there except for the destruction obviously and the border with Gaza border up to four kilometers all the communities have been evacuated we're here in one of the kibbutz up north that has absorbed nearly an entire kibbutz along the border this is one example the children of are running here in the background and this is an example as to the tens of thousands of Israelis who have found themselves uprooted as a result of this war along Israel's border with Lebanon and unlike the situation in the south where they're seeing the military progress and advance a military solution to the threat they don't see that happening so far along the northern border Israel they see the IDF mainly responding to attacks but not taking any sort of substantial initiative or steps to remove the threat of Hisbalan it's elite non-forces who are spread all across the border they're saying that until the residents who have been evacuated are saying that until that threat is removed they are reluctant to go back home and they do not feel safe to do so as of now they're still formally evacuated but the situation can change as long as the longer this war progresses yes at least 80,000 northern residents evacuated from their homes and that's just the south a lot more of them in the sorry that's only in the north a lot of them in the south as well I realize Ron thank you for that report stay safe over there in the northern border still with me Rafael de Ruchalmi let's talk about the what would it take for these residents to return to their homes we've seen some conflicting statements I think from the government especially from Gallant earlier this week saying the deterrent seems to be enough or we will make sure that what we're doing in the south will deter Hezbollah in the north but yesterday perhaps changing its tone being saying that Hezbollah will have to retreat back to the north north of the Littani river do you see that happening no but first of all we have to remember that the objective strategically speaking in the south and in the north is completely different in the south we're speaking of destroying dismantling the Hamas we are not speaking of that objective in the north we're not speaking of dismantling and destroying the Hezbollah it would be nice to have such an objective I think we're busy enough like that so the objective is less ambitious in the north we do want the threat that is on the border to disappear so if this threat has to disappear the presence of a terrorist faction like the Hezbollah has to disappear from the border it has to be pushed back so maybe we are giving now a chance to the diplomatic level to the ballet of diplomats and secret service representatives from France from the United States from other places trying to convince the Lebanese government to put pressure on the Hezbollah just forgetting that there is no Lebanese government right now and the Lebanese government even when there was one could never put pressure on the Hezbollah was putting pressure on the Lebanese but we are giving this a chance give peace a chance we know that it will probably not work we would like the Hezbollah to respect the resolution of the United Nations and to retreat above the Litany River meaning at least of around 25 kilometers away from the border but we know it won't work we are hoping that there might be another resolution voted maybe with less kilometers and if not we're gonna have to do the job we will have to do it militarily we will have to push the Hezbollah back at least 10 kilometers the minimum that can guarantee some kind of safety for the Israeli people to return to their home is a distance of 10 kilometers between the Hezbollah and the border obviously the results of this war will have great ramifications both for the residents and for Israel's enemies but let's take our viewers now to Israel's southern border up here Kloschenler is there and Pierre much of the action is happening right now not on the border communities but rather in the center of Israel you're talking about rocket fire yes there was a heavy salvo of rocket fire on Tel Aviv and the central areas but no casualties no damage so it's one of these rocket salvos that happen once every two days on Tel Aviv earlier on there was another attempt at Tel Aviv but it fell in the sea so there was no alerts in the Tel Aviv area and here in the central sector of the Gaza Strip there has been a rocket strike for the past two and a half hours since 4.20 p.m. local time to be exact and Pierre it seems Hamas is working on its PR with this rocket fire obviously sending a message to Israel that it is still holding strong still able to to threaten the major cities in Israel to our viewers how is it that after two months of war Hamas is still able to execute such long range attacks well first of all because many of those rockets are ignited by remote control by terrorists that are hiding in tunnels and just punch on the button and launch the rockets the lines and the dance and the military infrastructure of Hamas is such pride to the war that it's so dense that it's going to take a long time to demilitarize Hamas or demilitarize the Gaza Strip totally they're very busy doing that I you know here in the northern sector which has been under full operational control by the IDF actualizing tunnels provoking huge explosions with the engineering corps booby trapping those tunnels in order to collapse them there are so many weapons depots sites that manufacture rockets that are underground that it seems it seems I say that the source of rocket fire is inextinguishable sorry according to the IDF 3 days ago they said that about 11,000 rockets were launched on Israel I think that the estimation of the IDF was that Hamas holds about 15 to 20,000 rockets but it's very possible that the rockets are underground the IDF is in operational control above ground not underground that's going to take much more time what the IDF is busy doing right now is bisecting the Gaza Strip into different areas of control by the IDF in order to cut any way for Hamas on the expense of another they've cut the northern Gaza Strip from the central refugee camps they've cut Hanyunes which is south of the central refugee camps from the refugee camps and they've cut the Rafah area in the extreme south of the Gaza Strip from Hanyunes so that way by bisecting the Gaza Strip in such a way it allows the IDF to impose its control at least above ground but underground is another story it will take much more time yes, a lot of work to be done for the IDF Pierre Klosschandler and the I-24 news team there on the southern border stay safe, thank you for that update and still with me in studios Rafael Hiroshami the IDF is operating such a large extent with so many troops attempting to force Hamas out of their tunnels to impose so much pressure on Hamas at the same time it allows so much fuel in recent days to enter the Gaza Strip we know that that fuel continues to flow into the hands of Hamas how do these two things go together this flow of fuel is a problem it is a fuel for the Hamas but I don't think it's as huge a problem as some people tend to make it it bothersome it's being imposed upon us by the American administration on humanitarian grounds would it be very nice if it would reach the humanitarian target it is hijacked by the Hamas but still we are coping with it I don't think it's such a big big problem we've been mentioning the missiles that Hamas still has and is still throwing at us these missiles they will be thrown at us for a long time yet for one simple reason is that each time long range missiles are shot we know from where they are shot we destroy immediately after the launching parts the problem is that there are many launching parts hidden sometimes even inside the house or in a school of the concrete launching parts because they are also mobile a truck can be a launching part but that's for medium range missiles for the missiles that reach Tel Aviv you need really built launching parts and they are hidden here and there so why are they being shot at us now it's just that Hamas wants to prove it's still in control it's still there, it's still holding on Hamas it can be said very safely from today more or less at the landing point in the war Hamas has lost Gaza Hamas will continue fighting Hamas will make problems will threaten us with missiles with booby traps they have lost Gaza Gaza is not there anymore so whatever they shoot at us it's just a show off and one can only regret the fact that we've allowed Hamas to arm himself to this extent Rafael Urshami thank you for your time of the hour, our rolling coverage continues here on I-24 Israel is in a state of war families completely gun down in their beds we have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front line but the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well this week on news 24 Israel's low attack news 24 in Spanish news 24 on I-24 news thank you for joining us here on I-24 news our rolling coverage of Day 63 of the war continues over the past hour attacks of terrorgroups the г tightening of zie know it's not thanks for your time attacks of terror groups on Israelis continued in Israel's south, center and north. A barrage of Hamas rockets was fired towards Tel Aviv and central Israel for the second time this afternoon causing some minor minor damages from successful interceptions of Israel's iron dome system. In the West Bank an Israeli soldier was injured by live fire at an IDF post near the town of Yabad. Forces are searching for the terrorists setting roadblocks in the area. In the north live fire was carried out from Lebanon on an IDF post with Israeli military striking the source of the fire in response. The IDF saying earlier it had hit 450 Hamas sites in the past 24 hours. At the moment 137 hostages remain in Hamas captivity in Gaza including babies and elderly. Meanwhile these are the images of scores of Hamas operatives who have surrendered to the IDF they will be brought to Israel for questioning. And the UN Security Council is set to vote on a ceasefire resolution with UN chief Antonio Guterres claiming civilians in Gaza were told to move like human pinballs also that's here from Israeli ambassador Elad Elad. Everything I just described represents an unprecedented situation that led to my unprecedented decision to invoke article 99 urging the members of the Security Council to press to avert a humanitarian catastrophe and appealing for a humanitarian ceasefire to be declared. Mr. President we are all aware that Israel began its military operations in response to the brutal terror attacks unleashed by Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups on 7 October.  There is no possible justification for deliberately killing some 100,000 some 1,200 people including 33 children enduring thousands more and taking hundreds of hostages. Some 130 hostages are still captive and I call for their immediate and unconditional release as there was their humane treatment and visits from the international community of the Red Cross until they are feed. At the same time the brutality perpetrated by Hamas can never justify the collective punishment of the Palestinian people. The true path to ensure peace is only through supporting Israel's mission absolutely not to call for a ceasefire and secondly distinguish colleagues for those of you calling for a ceasefire it is crucial that you remember the facts. On October 6th there was a ceasefire in place but on October 7th Hamas broke the ceasefire with an unprovoked invasion of thousands of Hamas Nazis into Israel and calling for a ceasefire is precisely what ensures that this will continue. A ceasefire means that the suffering of all will carry on. A ceasefire cements Hamas's control of Gaza but even more than that calling for a ceasefire sends a clear message that Hamas is forgiven for their deliberate atrocities and Hamas's oppression of Gazans is given a green light by the international community. For more let's go straight to New York now our senior U.S. correspondent Mike Wagenheim is there for us. Mike thank you for joining us. When do we expect this vote and will we see a veto of the U.S. on this decision. Well I think one goes without the other in this case guy I don't think at this point that the Security Council is going to bring this to a vote unless they have some way of passing it unless they have some way of going around a U.S. veto on this unless they can get the U.S. to agree to new terminology within this graph. The U.S. has been quite clear that this united Arab Emirates a drafted resolution is in no go with them. In fact Deputy Ambassador Robert would address the Security Council this afternoon. He may quite clear that Washington is not on board. Let's give it a listen. This council's failure to condemn Hamas's October 7 terrorist attacks including its acts of sexual violence and other unthinkable evils is a serious moral failure. And it underscores the fundamental disconnect between the discussions that we have been having in this chamber and the realities on the ground. An undeniable part of that reality is that if Israel unilaterally laid down its weapons today as some member states have called for Hamas would continue to hold hostages women and children elderly men while the United States strongly supports a durable peace in which both Israelis and Palestinians can live in peace and security. We do not support calls for an immediate ceasefire. Now this resolution calls for the immediate release of all the hostages and it also calls for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire. That second clause is what the U.S. says is unacceptable. At this point the United Kingdom has also expressed some reservations with it. The French ambassador to the U.N. Nicola de Riviere said to journalist earlier today listen unless we can come up with some agreement here. It's not worth rushing a vote. Now a vote was supposed to take place this morning. New York time. It's already been pushed back to 5 30 p.m. Eastern time. Meanwhile about an hour prior to that Arab ministers are gathered in DC. They want to speak and have a meeting set up with Secretary of State Tony Blinken to try to convince him not to veto the resolution. According to the deputy ambassador there they're in the United Nations. Those ministers have a lot of work cut out for them this afternoon if they want to reverse Washington's stance on this resolution that's been floated. And Mike another hot topic between Israel and the U.S. are these conflicting reports over the past day over that possible U.S. deadline for Israel's war in Gaza. Some suggesting the Americans are pushing to end this war by the end of this month. Something that Israel obviously will not be able to accept. What what is right? Who's right here? You know I think it's a mix of both things. I don't think anybody's right or wrong here. I think the Americans have an interest in seeing this military operation wind down as efficiently and as quickly as possible. It also has an interest of limiting the civilian casualties in Gaza. Those two things don't directly correlate. Essentially what you're saying to the Israeli government and the IDF is if you want to wrap up things quickly if we're setting a deadline OK that means that Israel has to then quickly try to obtain all of its objectives there in Gaza. Well what do you do if you're doing things quickly? Well you're not doing them with concern. You're not doing them with precise preciseness. You're just kind of doing what the United States criticized Israel for doing in northern Gaza which is not protecting the civilian population there because they wanted to take out so many Hamas targets in such a quick amount of time. So it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense just on its face for the United States to really be setting some sort of hard deadline here. So it's somewhere in between. The US is saying listen this can't go on forever. But I don't think they're setting any sort of hard deadline here. It's not in their interest. It's not in the Palestinians interest and for that matter probably not in Israel's interest either. Yes certainly at least by the official statements of the Americans they know very well what Israel is dealing with and also what it needs to do in order to eliminate this threat. Mike Wagenham senior US correspondent. Thank you very much for that update. And now for more I'm joined in studio by Rafael Urshami a security analyst and former senior intelligence officer in the IDF. So so much talk about the deadline or how much time will Israel have at least according to its allies. But how much time does it really need in order to eliminate Hamas at this moment? Listen the deadline that by the administration may have set at the end of the year at the end of this month is not such a big problem because we have to see what we will find by a war full fledged war. If we're speaking of full fledged war and the huge intense assault that we are witnessing right now the Israelis themselves consider that they might achieve that around mid or end of January. So there's not such a big difference in the timing and I'm sure the Americans will let us you know pass the deadline a little and maybe we'll shorten by a few days. But most this very intense fighting cannot be led in endlessly even by the IDF troops. So at some point it will have to bring results. We actually are noticing right now that things are going much better and faster than expected in Hanyounis which is a very harsh place and is the main bastion of the Hamas. And we're doing quite well and we're also controlling a lot of areas that we thought would take more time to control. So hopefully we will end this very major assault in months or two at the most. After that the war is not over after that. And I think even the Americans understand that and the international community you have to do the cleanup. It's weeks and weeks of low level combat which is like going everywhere into Gaza to suppress the last pockets of armed resistance but also to clean Gaza of the white color terrorist of all those civil servants like the director of the Shiva hospital who were holding key jobs in Gaza who are holding Gaza through the civil administration. They also have to be neutralized for Gaza to become free. What the Secretary General of the United Nations doesn't realize is that what he wants as a humanitarian move sees fire is actually against the interest of the people of Gaza. We are freeing the people of Gaza for the most humanitarian plague they were ever suffered which is the rule of the Hamas. They themselves already are saying it the people of Gaza that they are fed up with the Hamas regime. So we are freeing them. And by the way just a little note the speech of Mr. Gutierrez is counseled immediately by one word when he says unprecedented.  The last time close 99 was called was like 30 years ago and during the 30s there was no civil war in Syria. There was no war against Ukraine. There was nothing. Nothing happened. It's unprecedented. So that shows how serious this Mr. Gutierrez is. The fact that he doesn't understand that we are doing this fight not only for us but for the stability of the region and to have a terrorist faction chased away from holding hostage two million Palestinians who want a better life shows that he's on the wrong camp. He has chosen the wrong camp. That's his problem. But it's a danger for the rest of the world because there are so many other places in the world where the United Nations and international community should intervene, should do something. But they are so focused on the Middle East that they are not doing anything else. They are only busy with us. And that's very regrettable for all the other people who suffer in the rest of the world. Yes. I think there's a lot of talk about moral relativism and this in his case, perhaps a case of historical relativism, forgetting what is unprecedented in this conflict. Rafael, stay with me because I want to take our viewers now to the north of Israel. Rocket attacks continue over the past hour. And the IDF is already responding. Ariel Osaran is there for us. What's the latest? Right, guys. So just a short while ago, reports of sirens in the Western Galilee still, there was no official siren or alert in the IDF's home front app. But if indeed this was a rocket launched from Lebanon, it would be the second such attack in the past hour, a short hour ago siren sounded in the northern upper Galilee in the area of Malot Tarshicha, as well as Kfar Vradiim, Israel's emergency services. Mada saying that there were no injuries as a result of this barrage of rockets. The IDF also said that live fire was opened in the vicinity of the area of Matat along the border. IDF responded with artillery. And indeed, on the Lebanese side, we're hearing reports of artillery shelling on the western part of southern Lebanon and Zabikin. But also an interesting statement from the Lebanese Army claiming that one of Israel's strikes didn't specify if it was air strike or artillery hit military medical clinic in Ain Abel. That's in the central sector of the border. There were no injuries, but damage was caused to the structure. And this just shows the extent of exchange of fire along the Israel-Lebanan border. Hezbollah so far today claiming responsibility for eight attacks along the border on IDF posts. There have been no reports of injuries as a result of any of these attacks, but indeed the situation. Another day of fighting, another evening of exchange of fire on the Israel-Lebanan border. Ariella, this fighting goes on both in the north, but also in the south. I myself was in Zderot for several days this week, a town that has become literally a ghost town. All the residents there were evacuated. Very few people do make their way into that area. How is that like when it comes to the north? How much movement are you seeing? What are you hearing from the residents there? It's pretty much a mirror image. The border community is the situation there, except for the destruction, obviously. And the border with Gaza and on the northern border, up to four kilometers, all the communities have been evacuated. We're here in one of the kibbutzes up north that has absorbed nearly an entire kibbutz along the border kibbutz near. This is one example. The children of Snir are running here in the background. And this just is an example as to the tens of thousands of Israelis who have found themselves uprooted as a result of this war along Israel's border with Lebanon. And unlike the situation in the south where they're seeing the military progress and advance a military solution to the threat, they don't see that happening so far along the northern border. Israel, they see the IDF mainly responding to attacks, but not taking any sort of substantial initiative or steps to remove the threat of Hezbollah and its elite Red Juan forces who are spread all across the border. They're saying that until that the residents who have been evacuated are saying that until that threat is removed, they are reluctant to go back home and they do not feel safe to do so. As of now they're still formally evacuated, but the situation can change as long as the longer this war progresses. Yes, at least 80,000 northern residents evacuated, uprooted from their homes. And that's just the south, a lot more of them in the, sorry, that's only in the north, a lot of them in the south as well. I realize, Ron, thank you for that report. Stay safe over there in the northern border. Still with me, Rafael de Ruchalmi, let's talk about the, what would it take for these residents to return to their homes? We've seen some conflicting statements, I think, from the government, especially from Gallant earlier this week, saying the deterrence seems to be enough, or we would make sure that what we're doing in the south will deter Hezbollah in the north. But yesterday, perhaps changing its tone, being saying that Hezbollah will have to retreat back to the north, north of the Littani River. Do you see that happening? No, but first of all, we have to remember that the objective strategically speaking in the south and in the north is completely different. In the south, we're speaking of destroying, dismantling the Hamas. We are not speaking of that objective in the north. We're not speaking of dismantling and destroying the Hezbollah. It would be nice to have such an objective. I think we're busy enough like that. So the objective is less ambitious. In the north, we do want the threat that is on the border to disappear. So if this threat has to disappear, the presence of terrorist faction like the Hezbollah has to disappear from the border. It has to be pushed back. So maybe we are giving now a chance to the diplomatic level, to the ballet of diplomats and secret service representatives from France, from the United States, from other places, trying to convince the Lebanese government to put pressure under Hezbollah. They're just forgetting that there is no Lebanese government right now. And the Lebanese government, even when there was one, could never put pressure on the Hezbollah. The Hezbollah was putting pressure on the Lebanese. But we are giving this a chance, give peace a chance. We know that it will probably not work. We would like the Hezbollah to respect the resolution of the United Nations and to retreat above the Litany River, meaning at least of around 25 kilometers away from the border. But we know it won't work. We are hoping that there might be another resolution voted maybe with less kilometers. And if not, we're going to have to do the job. We will have to do it militarily. We will have to push the Hezbollah back at least 10 kilometers. The minimum that can guarantee some kind of safety for the Israeli people to return to their home is a distance of 10 kilometers buffer zone between the Hezbollah and the border. Obviously the results of this war will have great ramifications both for the residents and for Israel's enemies. But let's take our viewers now to Israel's southern border up here. Kloschenler is there. And Pierre, much of the action is happening right now, not on the border communities, but rather in the center of Israel. You're talking about rocket fire. Yes, there was a salvo, a heavy salvo of rocket fire on Tel Aviv and the central areas, but no casualties, no damage. So it's one of these rocket salvos that happened one once every two days on Tel Aviv. Early around there was another attempt at Tel Aviv, but it fell in the sea, so there was no alert in the Tel Aviv area. And here in the central sector of the Gaza Strip, there haven't been a rocket strike for the past two and a half hours, since 4.20 p.m. local time to be exact. And Pierre, it seems Hamas is working on its PR with this rocket fire, obviously sending a message to Israel that it is still holding strong, still able to threaten the major cities in Israel, try to break down to our viewers. How is it that after two months of war, Hamas is still able to execute such long range attacks? Well, first of all, because many of those rockets are ignited by remote control by terrorists that are hiding in tunnels and just punch on the button and launch the rockets. The lines of defense and the military infrastructure of Hamas is such pride to the war that it's so dense that it's going to take a long time to demilitarize Hamas or demilitarize the Gaza Strip totally. They're very busy doing that. I, you know, here in the northern sector, which has been under full operational control by the IDF, there are still neutralizing tunnels, provoking huge explosions with the engineering corps, booby trapping those tunnels in order to collapse them. There are so many weapons depots, sites that manufacture rockets that are underground that it seems, it seems, I say, that the source of rocket fire is inextinguishable, sorry. According to the IDF three days ago, they said that about 11,000 rockets were launched on Israel. I think that the estimation of the IDF was that Hamas holds about 15 to 20,000 rockets, but it's very possible that they're manufacturing rockets in underground. The IDF is in operational control above ground, not underground. That's going to take much more time. What the IDF is busy doing right now is bisecting the Gaza Strip into different areas of control by the IDF in order to cut any way for Hamas to buttress one position or one sector on the expense of another. They've cut the northern Gaza Strip from the central refugee camps. They've cut Hanyunes, which is south of the central refugee camps, from the refugee camps and they've cut the Rafah area in the extreme south of the Gaza Strip from Hanyunes. So that way, by bisecting the Gaza Strip in such a way, it allows the IDF to impose its control at least above ground, but underground is another story. It'll take much more time. Yes, a lot of work to be done for the IDF. Pierre Klosschendler and the I-24 news team there on the southern border. Stay safe. Thank you for that update and still it means Studios, Rafael Yoroshalmi. You know, the IDF is operating on such a large extent with so many troops attempting to force Hamas out of their tunnels to impose so much pressure on Hamas. At the same time, it allows so much fuel in recent days to enter the Gaza Strip. We know that that fuel continues to flow into the hands of Hamas. How do these things go together? Okay, this flow of fuel is a problem. Okay, it is a fuel for the Hamas. It is fuel for the missiles, but I don't think it's as huge a problem as some people tend to make it. It bothers some. It's being imposed upon us by the American administration on humanitarian grounds. Would it be very nice if it would reach the humanitarian target? It is hijacked by the Hamas, but still we are coping with it.  We've been mentioning the missiles that the Hamas still has and is still throwing at us. These missiles, they will be thrown at us for a long time yet. For one simple reason is that each time long-range missiles are shot, we know from where they are shot. We destroy immediately after the launching pads. The problem meaning that there are many, many launching pads hidden, sometimes even inside the house or in a school, I'm speaking of the concrete launching pads because they're also mobile. A truck can be a launching pad, but that's for medium-range missiles. For the missiles that reach Tel Aviv, you need really built launching pads and they're hidden here and there. So why are they being shot at us now? It's just that Hamas wants to prove it's still in control. It's still there. He's still holding on. Hamas, he can be said very safely today. From today, more or less it's a turning point in the war. Hamas has lost Gaza. Hamas will continue fighting. Hamas will make problems, will threaten us with missiles, with booby traps. They have lost Gaza. Gaza is not there anymore. So whatever they shoot at us is just a show-off. And one can only regret the fact that we've allowed Hamas to arm itself to this extent. Rafael, you're showing me. Thank you for that. More updates coming up at the top of the hour. Our rolling coverage continues here on I-20. Is in a state of war. Families completely done down in their beds. We have no idea where is she. As our soldiers are fighting on the front line, but the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well. And thank you for joining us here on I-24 News. Our rolling coverage of day 63 of the war continues over the past hours. Attacks of terror groups on Israeli has continued in Israel's south, center, and north. A barrage of Hamas rockets was fired towards Tel Aviv and central Israel for the second time this afternoon, causing some minor minor damages from successful interceptions of Israel's iron dome system. In the West Bank, an Israeli soldier was injured by live fire at an IDF post near the town of Yabad. Forces are searching for the terrorists setting roadblocks in the area. In the north, live fire was carried out from Lebanon on an IDF post with the Israeli military striking the source of the fire in response. The IDF saying earlier it had hit 450 Hamas sites in the past 24 hours. At the moment, 137 hostages remain in Hamas captivity in Gaza, including babies and the elderly. At the as the fighting continues, scores of Hamas operatives have surrendered themselves to the IDF. As you can see on your screens here, they will be brought to Israel for questioning. Let's take your live now to Israel's north. Ariel Osaran standing by for us there. Ariel more rocket fire in the past hours and the IDF is responding. Right guys, so just about an hour ago rockets fired towards the upper Galilee. There were no injuries as a result of this rocket launch. The IDF saying that it responded with artillery shelling towards the source of the fire. And in this in an additional statement, the IDF saying that throughout the day Israeli fighter jets have been carrying out strikes against Hezbollah infrastructure across southern Lebanon and obviously with Israeli artillery responding to any of these attacks. Now we're talking about no fewer than 8 Hezbollah attacks on IDF border posts along the Israel-Lebanon border all across from west to east. The latest one was in addition to an attack on one of the border posts. Another one opened with live fire on it. IDF also saying that it responded with artillery to the sources of that fire. Now on the Lebanese side saying that in the central area of the border there have been significant artillery shelling like in the areas of Jabir Batam and Zabekin. And this comes following another day of fighting of cross-border fire on the Israel-Lebanon border. Alright, I'll also run on the I-24 news team in the north. Thank you for that update. Stay safe over there. Now I want to welcome our guests in studio. Brigadier General in Reserves, Amir Avivi, Director at Israel's Defense and Security Forum, IDSF and former Deputy Commander at the IDF Gaza Strip Division. Also with us is Ambassador Daniel Scheck, Director of Diplomacy at the Hostages and Missing Families Forum. And of course the former Israeli Ambassador to France. Gentlemen, thank you both for joining us. Amir, I'm going to start with you. We're seeing this rocket fire continuing. Even on Tel Aviv in so many areas across Israel, we're two months into this war already. Try to break down to our viewers. How is it possible that Hamas still has this ability as the IDF is spread out all across the Gaza Strip? Well, the IDF is not spread out all across the Gaza Strip. The IDF is operating in north of Gaza and in Hanyunas. In north of Gaza, the IDF is closing on Sajair and Jibalia. This is the defining, I would say, moment in the north. Once the IDF destroys Hamas in Jibalia and Sajair, the IDF will control the northern part of Gaza. There will still be terrorists around, but basically will break Hamas capabilities. The IDF is also operating in Hanyunas. This is the center of gravity of Hamas in the south. But having said that, we're not operating in the center of Gaza. We haven't gone in yet. There is a lot to do, also not in Rafa or along the shore in Muassi and therefore they have the capability to still shoot from places like Kildir El-Balach, Rafah, Muassi, El-Burej, different places where the IDF hasn't gone in yet and hasn't started attacking these places. We've seen this week, for example, forces moving forward and 200 meters from them. Terrorists shooting the last time from a rocket launcher and escaping. So this is a very complicated world. There are thousands of sites with rocket launchers and you really need to get control on the ground to prevent completely the ability to shoot rockets. I'll just tell our viewers that we are awaiting the daily briefing of IDF spokesperson, Daniel Igari. Ambassador Shek, as we speak about the progress of the war, there is still already a lot of conversation about what happens the day after. Well, today, the Palestinian Authority Prime Minister, Mohamed Ashtaye, is arguing that Israel's aim to fully defeat Hamas is unrealistic and that the militant group should instead join in under the new government structure. Is he delusional thinking that Israel would allow Hamas to be part of any future Palestinian government that Israel enables to control the Gaza Strip? Guy, with all due respect, why would you expect him to express Israeli views? He's a Palestinian leader and he speaks to a Palestinian audience and he expresses Palestinian interests. Yeah, well, it doesn't matter, but, you know, he doesn't care so much about people who will listen to him in India, Pakistan or southern Argentina. He speaks to his audience and, of course, he will speak about the need for unity. It's not an old, it's not a new story. There's always been this theoretical idea of uniting the Palestinian authority with Hamas, Fatah and Hamas. Of course, it's never worked. It's been on the table for many, many years and there are reasons why it doesn't work because they are profoundly different. Hamas, I think it was demonstrated on October 7th, doesn't care about the Palestinian issue. Hamas is not fighting a Palestinian war. It's fighting an Islamic war and the Palestinians serve as a vehicle like others in other parts of the world serve as a vehicle for this same kind of war. If, now maybe Mr. Steyer knows this just as well as you and I, but clearly he is not in a position currently to speak against Hamas. It's just not feasible politically. So what will happen in the day after is a different story? Will the Palestinian authority really want to have a strong and powerful Hamas under its wing? I don't think so. Amir, how do you see Israel treating the day after? Obviously someone will have to rule the Gaza Strip. IDF would want to maintain some sort of security control over the Strip. Nonetheless, I don't believe that Israel wants to control Gaza fully to manage it in terms of this civilian population. Do you see a situation in which the Palestinian authority decides who is part of that government? Well, there is the day after and there is the day after the day after. And then there is the day after the day after the day after. It's not one day after. From a military point of view, if we want to make sure that never again there will be a terror army in Gaza, we need to control the Egyptian border and this is not just the border. We need to control the whole area of Rafah and we need full freedom of operation of the IDF everywhere in Gaza, just as we have in Judean Samaria and the West Bank. Without that, we cannot really ensure that there will be no terror infrastructure. I want to remind you that in Oslo, long before this engagement, it was enough that we didn't operate in the cities. Gaza went from the stone age, literally, to shooting rockets. They started shooting in 2001, rockets on Israel. So you need freedom of operation. From a civilian point of view, I think that the way this is going to end, for quite a long time there might be a situation where Israel really manage everyday life. It will take a long time to gain some kind of control. And then Israel is saying clearly, we're not going to have Hamas, not Palestinian Islamic jihad, but also not the Palestinian Authority. Palestinian Authority is paying billions to terrorists, is inciting in the education system. It's very unpopular even in its only area in the West Bank. Everything you look at the day after, I'm not sure there will be a Palestinian Authority from the Palestinian side. They don't want them. So how can they control Gaza? And Ambassador, those who are popular in Gaza are Hamas, their recent surveys conducted by Palestinian universities show the immense support Hamas receives in the Palestinian public, even more so in the West Bank than in Gaza, especially with regards to the support of that massacre committed by Hamas. How do you manage that? I don't want to manage that. That's the whole point. I think somebody else should manage that, but under different circumstances than in the past. I can't influence Palestinian public opinion and make them choose a Zionist organization to govern them. I don't have that ability. I also can't make millions of Palestinians go away, simply evaporate. So we'll have to find some kind of solution. And even in Gaza, after we destroy Hamas and after we find freedom of operation and after all of that, somebody has to govern there. And I don't think that it should be Israel. As a matter of fact, not I don't think I'm absolutely certain that it shouldn't be Israel. So I know it shouldn't be Israel. I know it shouldn't be Hamas doesn't leave a whole lot of choices. I will adopt President Biden's formula, a reformed or a different Palestinian authority. How different, how to get there just as Mr. Avivi just said, there are many days after it's probably not going to happen on the first day after, maybe on the third on the fourth or on the fifth. Gentlemen, stay with me. We want to go now to Israel's southern border up here. Klosch Endler is there with the I-24 news team up here. The fighting continues both in the northern part of the Gaza Strip, close to where you are. And of course in Hanyunas in the south. Right. In the Jebalia refugee camp at the entrance of Gaza City, there are fierce fighting for a fifth consecutive day as well as in the town of Srijaya in the northeast in the southeast of Gaza City. And then you have fighting around Hanyunas and inside Hanyunas since December 1st or 2nd. The Division 98, which gather all the elite units, all the commando units, are fighting in the heart of Hanyunas and the other divisions are encircling Hanyunas, taking control of the Salahadin axis, which goes from south to north, crosses the Gaza Strip east of Gaza City. Fierce fighting there as well and strikes, aerial strikes on the central sector of the refugee camps, such as Diral-Ballach, El-Burej or Nussayrat. But the tactic of the IDF becomes more precise in spite of the fog of war. There's now three different or four different sections in the Gaza Strip. You have the northern part of the Gaza Strip, which is under Israeli operational control, at least above ground. And then you have the middle ground of the refugee camps, which is hammered with aerial strikes, but there is no IDF presence, per se, inside those camps. And then you have Hanyunas, which is the focal point of the fighting now, because that could be the make or break of Hamas, since the leadership, both political and militarily, could be there, according to the IDF estimates. And then you have the southern part of Rafah. Now, sectioning these parts of the Gaza Strip allows the IDF, obviously, more control, more tactical control. And at the same time, we understand that Hamas is starting to break apart a little bit from a well-organized military structure with man in uniform and a lot of weapon. Now, you see from videos that you see emanating from media affiliated to Hamas, you see fighters that are switching back to, I would say, the Stone Age, to urban guerrilla fighting with very small groups. They cannot operate as a battalion, per se, or as a company. They operate like squads. And most of the time, they are in civilian uniform. They're not even in their outfit, in their military outfit. And they carry very little weapon, an AK-47 or an RPG rocket launcher. This is what you see on videos. And at the same time, we hear Thomas White, the representative on UNRWA in the Gaza Strip, saying that there is a sense of chaos, especially at night, with looting, with a lack of security. And then you hear the Israeli defense minister saying that Hamas is on the verge of the start of breaking up. So we're at a critical phase. And maybe this is the start of the make or break of Hamas. If Hanyunas is taken over, that would be a very important stage in the war against Hamas. A highly complicated battlefield there for the Israeli troops. Beir Kloschendler on the southern border. Thank you for that update. Stay safe there with the team. Going back to our panel, Amir, we spoke about, or Pierre just mentioned, that possible break point of Hamas. We've seen some Gaza residents even showing their displeased, to say the least, of the fact that Hamas is still Oh, let's take a listen to IDF spokesperson Amir Aghari. Two IDF troops more seriously wounded overnight in activity in the Gaza Strip while trying to evacuate wounded. They eliminated terrorists and families were notified about troops that have lost their lives. We will continue to operate in various ways. Intelligence and operational together with the Shin Bet will operate in every form to return all the hostages back home and to obtaining information about them. IDF representatives are in touch with the families of the hostages and update them about every credible information about the loved ones. We are at the most extensive form of the ground operation in north and south parts of the Strip in Jabali and Sajayi and in the Khan Yunis area. The troops are operating professionally and bravely. We operate heavy fighting against Hamas terrorists that are operating underground and then meeting our forces. We eliminate many terrorists and see more and more terrorists that are giving in and handing them to themselves to the IDF troops. We have arrested over 250 troops or suspects over the past 24 hours have been transferred to the Shin Bet for investigation in Israel. Among them commanders of the Hamas and Nukba fighters their investigation assists the operation of the forces. In the north we took out a terror squad in the early morning. We identified an armed squad and a drone has managed to attack that squad. We struck Hezbollah targets in southern Lebanon and returned fire against the areas where the fire emanated. Shots were fired towards an Israeli post. This evening the evening of the ninth week of the war and the second candle of Hanukkah IDF troops will operate will commemorate the Shabbat in the field. They fight bravely in Gaza and defending in all borders in order for us to live in safety. I wish to send all the fighters on the ground Shabbat Shalom and happy holiday. That was an IDF spokesperson Daniel Hagari in his nightly or weekly or daily briefing. Back to our studio we spoke about the operation and the efforts to take down Hamas. We hear those voices from Palestinians voicing their discontent with what Hamas did on October 7th that has led to this but beyond that also the fact that Hamas is looting all the or much of the aid that is taken into Gaza. Yeah, we've seen this week Gazans complaining that the food that is going in Hamas is taking it for itself. So yes, there is a lot of discontent. We saw the photos in Derel Balak with tens of thousands of people standing waiting for food. And as the Minister of Defense Galan said it seems like there is a start of a breaking point. At a state it will take a long time and to clean the Gaza Strip will take years. In Operation Defensive Shield it took us a month and a half to conquer the cities. It took us five years to bring the area into some kind of balance. So this is going to be long but it's definitely a moment where we see more and more people surrendering. But I think the most interesting thing that Agar is said was that they attempted to rescue hostages. We'll know that while the IDF is operating and maneuvering there will be opportunities. It's complicated. It's difficult. But there will be operational opportunities to rescue hostages while we are moving forward in the different areas. This is of course very interesting and very important showing that the IDF has information about the whereabouts of some of these hostages if troops were wounded trying to save them. At least some information is being obtained from these investigations and from the mere presence of the IDF troops. Ambassador, you're involved of course with the hostages and families forum. To this day still no visits of the Red Cross. No information about the well-being of all those 137 Israeli hostages. Many of them in need of urgent medical care. Correct. There's no better way to describe it than you did. This is Hamas. They will not allow access although it is it's supposed to be the automatic first right of an abducted person of a hostage and even of a prisoner of war which they are not. They are not considered prisoners of war because Hamas is not an army and Gaza is not a state. They are abducted people. They are hostages and the first human right of these people is visitation by the Red Cross. Now I know that people are very angry at the Red Cross and believe that the Red Cross is not doing enough. I don't know if they're doing enough or not enough. I know for a fact that they don't have any way to enforce that right. They don't. They're not an army. They don't represent a state. They don't have a diplomatic power. When they talk to Hamas and they do talk to Hamas both inside Gaza and in Doha in Qatar they can insist but in the end of the day it's Hamas that is holding the hostages that is holding all the information and if they refuse to give it then there is not much that the Red Cross can do. Meanwhile there are other international organizations that are operating this evening. The UN Security Council is set to vote this evening on a resolution for a ceasefire. Let's take a listen to UN Chief Antonin Guterres and then Israeli Ambassador Gilado Dan. Over 60% of Gaza's housing has reportedly been destroyed or damaged some 300,000 houses and apartments. Some 85% of the population have been forced from their homes. The people of Gaza are being told to move like