Hello everybody, welcome back to esoteric Atlanta. I think Shanti might be a little bit frozen right now, but that's okay. And I think my vocals are going out. Hold on one second, guys. Let me actually spray some holy water here and just call on Michael and Gabriel, our buddies to come down and just make sure that the equipment, I feel like I'm spraying like a, like, smells bad. No, this is holy water. Just to get our angelic forces in here. Well, I'll take some of that, thanks. I'll take some of that, yeah. At least we can laugh about it and have a sense of humor. That's something that darkness can't do. Like, darkness doesn't know how to laugh. So, I am super excited because I've got one of my besties here, Shanti from Aquarius Rising Africa. And I am so excited about this episode because Shanti, you know, you and I have so much in common. Like, we have so much in common. We've had a lot of the same opportunities in life to really study with great teachers and travel the world and really dissect our own selves. And something I respect so much about Shanti is she's such a great teacher in the sense that she acts as a conduit because we know, and most of you watching know, that nobody can heal us, we have to heal ourselves. But the role of the teacher is to be that person that's there to help guide you and keep you focused on what you have to do. And Shanti is so amazing at being able to help people understand their own power when it comes to their own healing. I think she froze again and hopefully the recording. You guys, I apologize if some of the recording sounds a little scratchy. Oh, there we go. It's scratching again. Shanti, should we, should I send you a new link?  You guys? I can hear you fine actually, Bryce. Now and again, you'll freeze up, but I hear your voice. Okay, good. Yeah, so I think maybe let's see how it goes from my side as well. And then, yeah, I'm not sure. My internet looks okay for the moment. Well, I'm just going to just to say if there's any entities human or otherwise that are in the space right now that are trying to stop this recording from happening, you do not have our consent or my consent especially. You do not have permission to be here. This is an important episode. We know that this is the understanding of sovereignty and that your responsibility for yourself is like the key to breaking through into this new timeline. And so if there are any forces here, human or otherwise that are trying to stop this, you don't have my consent to be here in my computer, in my Zoom, you have to leave, you have to leave. And as our friend Jesse says, if you don't leave, you're going to have to go to the throne room of God and be dealt with there. You don't have my consent. So you got it, you got a skedaddle. So. Skedaddle. Skedaddle. What was it my Latin teacher used to say in school? Make like a hockey goalie and get the puck out of here. So get the puck out of here. I love that. I like it, I like it. So what we're going to talk about today is something that I had talked to Shanti. Shanti's done her bowl sound healing on me privately. It's amazing. She's done it with Stephanie privately and I've heard incredible things from Stephanie. And I've talked about it on my episode before and a lot of people want to know more about this. And so before I hand it over to Shanti, what I'm going to say is that in our uvetic healing, which is the sister science to yoga, the three elements of life are food, breath, and vibration. Vibration is many things, most importantly, sound. And so Shanti, I'm going to pass the ball over to you and let you kind of start where you want to start. How did you find sound healing? What got you into practicing this modality for people? What does it do for people? It's amazing. Oh, firstly, beautiful, thank you so much for having me as a guest on your show. Love being here and really enjoy, yeah, absolutely the commonalities we share. It's always so fun, the journey that we've been on. So, and I want to just say, I'm sorry, I know my internet sometimes does play up for some reason the past month or so, it's been particularly bad, but it's we've had tons of load shedding.  So, sound, wow, what a beautiful energy element to work with. Let's never forget the universe was created from sound as well. So, sound is, it forms the essence vibration of every human soul, which means that when it comes to healing and balancing and bringing back the beauty that we feel and enjoyment of life, sound is a key player. There've been lots of stories that we've heard about people that have also like, let's just say, for example, been in a bad car accident or had something happen and they've literally healed through not necessarily the modality I use, but music and sound.   So, as most people in home, you know, I'm kind of self-taught. I definitely believe I was born with a knowledge that was quite uppermost in my consciousness. So I, from a very young age, I started looking into things and just remembering things and sitting, pondering things as a little kid and wondering how on earth that connected with that and oh, there I see that, you know, it was stuff I could never speak to anyone about. There were many things like that, but it all made sense to my spirit. So I don't exactly remember when the Tibetan singing bowls entered my life, but it was maybe around 15 years ago, but my partner Dominic bought me my first Tibetan singing bowl. And I wanna tell you, from that moment, I could play it within three minutes. It was the most natural thing for me to play. I immediately knew how I was gonna integrate it into my healing practice, what I needed to do with it and how I needed to use it. I then also knew just intuitively that if I put water into the bowl as well, it would bring out a different resonance and a different vibration and it would kinda awaken energies within the person that I was working with in another way. Because at the end of the day, as you quite rightly said, Bryce, as a healer, I don't heal you. You know, I will show you what I see and what I perceive and that's who my intuition comes in. And you will then do what you need to do for yourself.  So the vibration of sound is very, very powerful. And soon, you know, the minute I had my first bowl, I had some of my bowls, I just don't have that one yet. I then just started adding to my collection and I bought it in India. I mean, I've got beautiful stories about how my bowls came to me, just the most incredible bowls and how they came to me and how I worked with them and how God just showed me what I need to do and how to do it. It's the most natural thing for me. So I then, so for the past about 15, 14, 15 years, it's been a very integral sound healing. My call it the Tibetan sound journey has been an integral part of my healing practice. So it's a very beautiful way to get people to just relax and be at ease and at peace because when your body is at ease and at peace, that's when miracles happen. It's interesting if you guys are funded, we've been a little delayed on the last episode of Tartaria, but for a lot of the people who are watching this Tartaria and falling along with us, this is what they knew. This is what they used the cathedrals for, was for sound vibration. And Shanti talks about putting a water in the bowl and it changes the elements and it changes. That's what they knew. So I think when you say that, Shanti, I think a lot of people, you were pulling up from a DNA or past memory, you know? And that's coming from that natural and even in the Bible, it talks about the word that God spoke the word and that was the vibration of creation. I know in yoga, we call God, the name for God is Alma and Patanjalin speaks of this because he says, God has no beginning and end. It's a constant vibration of consciousness. So Alma is the only rightful vibration to talk about God. And so it all comes down to this and with the body always changing, the laws of nature were always changing. So that in itself is its own vibration. I don't know about you, Shanti, but I've done this where I've gone up into like the North Shore to mountains and just sat very quiet for a very long time away from cars, away from technology and you hear the vibration of nature too. You hear nature talking too and it's beautiful. And it's beautiful. And I know, can we talk a little bit too? I know like I have on my playlist, I have all these different like chants too for different chakras and how even the chakra system is aligned different. And I'm sorry guys that the vocals are going out again. I'm gonna ask that only beings here for our highest good, anything that's not here for our highest good has to leave. I don't consent, you have to leave. But even like Molladara, the base chakra has this lower, more deeper type of very grounding. And that's the one I listen to the most because if your first one's off, they're all off. So I'll start with the first one. Can we speak a little bit about that? How the different sounds hit different parts of the consciousness of the body too? Absolutely. You're going to find that each of the chakras resonate with their own musical sound. So that's why when people do specific music healing or healing with sound, they will often use the vibration that aligns with the chakra. Okay, so that chakra will have a certain vibration, which of course the body parts relating to that chakra will also be attuned then to that vibration because every body part is related to a chakra in your body. And I want to just say this again. You know, you don't have to resonate with the Eastern teachings, which is about the chakras. It's been proven scientifically that we have energy gateways in the body and they are known in the Eastern teachings as the chakras. So they're like doorways in the body.  So it looks after certain emotions, they are emotions and then those emotions relate to body parts as well. So it's just one, everything is interconnected. So when you, for example, let's say you have a liver problem and you wanna look at, because the first thing with anything is we have to understand it's energy first, physical second. So the energy creates the physical. So the frequency of the invisible creates the manifestation of the visible. And the first thing it manifests and the first way it manifests obviously in your body. So if you've created a liver issue, okay? Firstly, we gotta look at what the symptom is. You can have your symptoms but then we start looking at the source of it. So then we start looking what the liver means and what emotions you're storing in the liver. So what I first do is then I will play sound. Like my gift is I attune to my client's frequency and I then read that, read the frequency like a blind person reads Braille. That's the only way I can explain it. So then I will communicate via frequency as to where the issue in your body began. Was it as a child, was it coming later on and your body talks back to me so then it'll show me pictures or I'll get a sense of something, of where it began. And if it was, for example, as a child of three years old when your parents got divorced and the shock of that was so huge for you because rest assured that creates a break in a child's energy and that's gonna create if the child has not received healing it will create various manifestations as they grow older. So then what I'd go there and I first use the sound and somehow I'm able to work with the sound to align with that and just realign the frequency and allow the energy to start flowing again. Because what happens when we traumatized or in pain or ill, literally think about energy like hair, okay? It's like it flows in a very high-vibrating way like fine strands like hair, finer than hair. So when your energy is aligned and you're in tune it's like everything flows together and you just get focused and you know how to center and you kind of tuned in and intuitively doing things and what have you because you really are connected to the voice of God there. But what happens often is when we traumatized or stressed or whatever the case might be we can imagine that that energy starts knotting up and it becomes like knots in the head. Anyone that's had knotty hair knows our troubles and that can be. Nothing flows there, right? The energy can't flow. So then it blocks as that's what we call an energy blockage. Now every part of the body means something. So then let's say that blockage is sitting in your heart center causing a heart condition on a physical level. That was, it's been bugging you for 15 years. I will then go in and work with the sound and it'll show me as I go deeper because now as the sound which is the core frequency of the universe, okay? It then starts melting, sorry, my internet unstable. It's okay, I'm still working on it. Yeah. Cool. It then starts melting the blockages like a knots that hair. Yeah.  So the first thing that starts going is the low vibrating frequencies or entities or demonics if you will attach themself to that.  On top of the person she's saying, I believe guys. Yeah. Your body, so literally physically on top and I'll play them on your body. So. Can you hear me? Sorry, Carrie-Anne Bryce, it was- No, you put out there for a second so I was still in and that you, and I've done and you can do this over Zoom because you've done this with me over Zoom and Stephanie but I've also had it physically done in India. I went to a singing bowl temple and they did the same thing. They turned the lights completely. There was no light at all coming into the room, no windows and the guy, I don't know how he was able to see that dark but he would put the bowls around you and so you would not only hear, not only would your body hear the vibration of sound but your body actually felt it too. It felt the vibration. Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, so I have different bowls and I've now learned and I'm self-taught with this, okay? It's all self-taught. So I've now learned there are certain bowls, they're like sets and they play together. So I play them together and I've learned there's three really different types of sound journeys that I do. You know, the one there and then another one for that and another one for that and another one. There's actually four and another one for that. So what happens then is any negative entity that is attached itself to you, A can't deal with the freak, cannot deal with the vibration. So it's like getting the mac, the swampy sluggish, slothy energy is getting it moving and dissolving it. And I wanna say this, I don't tell it to bugger off, okay? I invite it to go back into the light. So before this, I have prayed and only God's energy surrounds what I'm doing. So anything moving out of that person's body or whatever, already in my heart, I know is ready to go back to God and it's enlightened form because everything is just opposite of itself. So when you're finding a sludgy, gooey, sludgy, slothy, uglier type energy, it's really there because of pain and suffering then and lack of love. So I didn't play it and I remind it because now I can see it and I'm just saying, you don't have to be here, you can go back. And very often when the sound meets that sludgy energy, it becomes light and back in tune and dissolves and automatically leaves the body. And then what happens is the person then can identify what's their stuff and what's not their stuff. Because when their stuff is in a bad shape, they're gonna attract more of that stuff and it's gonna be overwhelming. So very often you'll see a person's aura that is gray. It's like they're walking around with a gray black cloud around them. So that's not necessary and that would be their aura plus a whole lot of other stuff that magnetized to them. So the sound will do a lot of clearing of that. So very often people, I mean other people, her back, she had a discarded joint, click in the sound journey, the back just clicked in. She wasn't able to walk for like three weeks or something. Oh wow. And the sound just clicked in. People have incredible breakthroughs, you know, physically, the one woman's eyesight healed. Someone could hear, someone could smell, they'd lost their sense of smell in a car accident years before that. And for the first time afterwards, she could actually smell and taste. It was like a miracle. So what I'm saying is stuff like this happens. You know, just by the person being ready. And as I said, my gift is I can see what's what in the body. So I like play and I like root out. You know, we talk about in the yoga and Buddhism they call it the sankara, which is like the misery of the mind. So it's like rooting out, like you root out a weed. So you're like root out and just offer it back to God. And that's how the alchemy works. I'm not banishing anything. I don't do that. If anything has come to me, it's either gonna banish itself if it's not ready for what I have to offer or it's gonna come into my space, ready for healing, optimization. Yeah. And that's what you guys, and I know Shanti we've done videos with my friend Cindy too before. And Cindy is what part of what she does is she works with demonic attachments as well. And she says the exact same thing you say Shanti, the exact same thing. When she's like, when I go to work with these people who have like attachments will say, she says it's not about damning the demon to hell but presenting it back to the light. And she said, it's like I'm doing therapy with the demon to get it to understand that it is the light and it can go back. And to me, that makes way more sense than just damning things to hell because everything is energy. Nothing can be, no energy can be created or destroyed. It has to be transmuted. And so that makes way, and that to me is the healing God. Transfer. Yes. Yes. I think she froze it guys, which is be based. Transfer of transformed. Energy is gonna be, oh gosh. Are we back? Sorry I was interrupted you there. And that's why I don't think, that's why I keep telling people, in this truth or great awakening, Patabi Joyce would always say like, everything else is just a circus. Everything outside of you, it's just a circus. It's what's inside that's important. It's what you, so everything it's important for us. And I was telling Shanti before we started recording, I'm focusing a lot on my channel with this too. And we're still doing the fun stuff with the Monday Mysteries, all that kind of stuff. But to understand that you are powerful, your body has the ability to recognize healing and to recognize the vibration because that's where you come from. You know, we think about the soul, the soul is just consciousness, love, vibration. That's all it is. And it needs to reckon, and I will say too, I get this question a lot. I posted a video a couple of days ago from another Ashutanga teacher I know named Mark Roberts. And he's one of the kindest, he's in my opinion a walking example of what a yoga student is supposed to, he's very humble even though he's got a beautiful practice. But he's talking about Dharma and he was talking about being able to surrender and allow yourself to flow with the universe. And so many people, I understand this, don't know how to do that because they're in so much bondage of their own fears and their own anxieties that they really don't know how to let go and let the universe guide them and trust in that that it's gonna be guided. And sound healing is a really great way to even show someone what that sensation feels like so that when they go about their journey, they can reflect on that. And what that's gonna feel like, we see it in the chanting, I'm a huge Vedic chanter. When I first started yoga, I never thought I would be a chanter ever but it is one of my favorite things to do is to do. And I have a whole book with all my Vedic chants that I've learned in India. And it's interesting though, I will tell you what's so fascinating if you're studying a group of chanters is that all these different chants say and mean different things. One chant is gonna affect me differently though than it might affect Shanti. There's a very long Ganesha chant that every time I do it, I start to sweat. I start to feel anxieties being presented to me coming up but the person beside me might not feel that. But when we look at these old languages like Sanskrit, we're looking at a light language and it's spoken very intentionally. The words are hit very intentionally to hit that vibration. Absolutely, absolutely. And I know we, you know, Andy Bund, I don't know if you guys have watched any of my interviews with her. She's incredible. She's a high level survivor from the Shoroki tribe. And after her SRA went on a quest to India to discover the ancient truths. And also we know that the yoga world, for example, has been infiltrated badly as well. But, you know, she found teachers and came across teachers who taught her even the missing because there's a lot of stuff that they haven't passed on to the West. And there was this woman who's part of that, she was family of those men, for example. And she is now, she was one of Andy's teachers but she speaks about this beautiful language of Sanskrit. And as you say, it's the light language. Everything is a frequency. And how you project your voice carries, I read the voice all the time. It's lovely for me to hear someone on the telephone if I've never met them because I can just the way they project their voice and the vibration you pick up from their voice says everything. And it's how that vibration connect your vibration to your vibration and what is it connected. It's so beautiful. And it's all about sound. It really is all about sound. Well, that's why I learned Sanskrit was because I mean, I have a Sanskrit teacher in India and it's so I have the opportunity to learn it because I wanted to be able to be able to protect that. Okay, entities that don't need to be here, you can scoot along. But I wanted to be able to read the text for myself. I wanted to be able to study that for myself and read the Vedas for myself and read the Upanishads for myself. And luckily I had the opportunity at my school to have a scholar work with us with that and learn and it came very naturally. And I am not like a language person. I did not, I just studied French in school. It's terrible. But for some reason I learned Sanskrit. And I think it's because the soul does recognize. It does. Regardless of whether you spoke it before in a past life, it's the vibration because it is, you know, the story of Sanskrit is that Shiva came down and gave the language to the people. And so they're literally telling you in the story that a being, a higher density being came down and gave the language of Sanskrit to the people. So that's telling you it's a light language. And so that's valuable. It's a valuable healing tool in itself, modality in itself to be able to understand how that language vibrates itself through the conversation. And yeah, I mean, it's crazy to see these old, very old chance that are still just so powerful as the vocals are going out again, still so powerful and pulling up issues that needs to be seen. And so, and so, and I know people might say that about, I feel like Latin's more of a lower language than Sanskrit, but there's probably other languages out there that mimic that. And you look at the way Sanskrit's written too, it's almost written like notes. You know, they use the bureaucratures. And it's almost like it's notes on a music sheet. Music sheets, yes. I was about to say that. And you think about like when you're a mother, Shanti, I know all my friends and my sisters who've had babies, it's a natural instinct I see for women to want to sing to their children. Yes, absolutely. And while they're still in the womb as well, and to want to play music to them. And it's funny, you know, like how many moms, especially lately, want to have water births at home. So it's like having water births and music. And, you know, so we're already becoming more aware on the planet of the benefit of giving birth to our children in that environment, which is amazing. So yeah, I mean, it's incredible, honestly. So it is incredible. Sorry about that. I was thinking about this the other day. I was thinking about giving birth. And like we know, I remember studying this, one of the biggest traumas you go through in this life is birth, going through the birth canal. We know that there are just, you know, to be in a warm room where you just hear your mother's voice. And sometimes the father's voice, you're protected. And all of a sudden, you're forced out into the elements of the air, the lights. You know, it can be very traumatic for us coming with me. We have to come through it. But it's sometimes going to be very abrasive. And I was thinking about that. I was like, in the hospital, a lot of the times, the mother is not the first person to touch her baby. The first person to touch her baby is the doctor. And I was thinking about that. Like, what would happen if we shifted that, like with the water birth, and the mother was the one to be able to pull the baby up?  Isn't that what some of the cultures do? I don't know. All I know is white women just have to pull it out. I know, and it's just occurred to me as you were saying that. I know that some of the tribes, a lot of the tribes in Africa, that's how the women give birth, actually. They take their own children. They deliver their own babies, which is quite incredible. And that's maybe how it should be, or if the mother can't do it, have the father pull the baby out, because at least the baby's familiar with the father's voice as well. I know a lot of men who will talk to the belly of the mother when she's pregnant, just so the baby hears the father's voice as well. And they're not hearing the words. They're literally hearing the vibration coming through. And so how different would that be for us as humans if moving forward the next generation is welcome to the earth, to their life, by recognizing that vibration of sound through the touch of the mother or the father instead of the doctor or the midwife. No offense to the doctors or the midwives. Sure, they're great people too, but it's just that familiarity because within our DNA, we carry the vibration of our, we have inherited karma that we inherit through our DNA. And so we're already carrying vibrations from those two parents anyway as babies. And so to have that recognition, how much help there would we be as a society if that's how we birth babies? Absolutely. And I mean, I think it's important to realize or to say just on that point that a doctor or a midwife definitely needs to be present, I think, in the birthing of a child. But I do think that the father, if not the mom, then the dad should be the one that's catching the baby with the doctor's guidance maybe. Yeah, absolutely. I remember when my nephew was the ends under it or something, you know. Yes. And someone really don't want to talk about this, Shanti. It is so crazy. We're like, we're like public enemy number one. We do like all these girls, these girls are causing some problems.  That's so they're so used to doing it. But the person delivering Charlie was on the phone, my nephew, with her child, because her child was getting ready for the prom. And so while she was pulling my nephew out of my sister, she was talking to her daughter on the phone, you know. But how disconnected, you know. And we know that the father's cut the umbilical cord, but that's the thing too. I've been studying with the umbilical cord. We cut the umbilical cord too soon. You know, the baby, umbilical cord will tell you when it's time to be cut. And the baby needs to still have that connection for a while before it's cut. It's, but isn't it, isn't it that the umbilical cord actually drives off, disconnects of itself? It will. It'll start to, it'll change colors. And apparently that's why they don't want to get water births. It's because in a water birth, the umbilical cord naturally will just stay attached for longer because of the set, the setup. And so in the conspiracy world, they want to cut it right away because that's stopping some of the necessary stuff the baby needs from, from finishing its, its course into the baby. So, but it's all, it's all vibration. Guys, water carries, I mean, you look, there was a study, I think we talked about this in tartaria, but they do it with plants too, where they had two different waters, right? And they, they showed the different, the tears of like anger versus happiness and how that vibration changes the actual form of the wine bottles.  And the same thing with, they do that experiment a lot with rice actually. And I did it with a group of my students not too long ago with rice, putting it there. And how interesting rice standing near the television went gooey within a few days. Yes. Showing you the all those, yeah, nasty frequencies. So it's done with water, it's done with food and that's why, you know, it's a tool we use a lot with the kids as well. Yeah. It's like, you know, because with that they can tangibly see it. So we give them these little experiments to do.   But if you love and appreciate yourself and you're able to look at yourself and like yourself despite what you perceive to be your shortcomings, your life will be so much happier and healthier and stronger, it really is true. It works that way. And I've seen how many people have said be careful and we always joke about ourselves and we kind of cut ourselves down in humor, but your body doesn't understand the difference between you being sarcastic and you not. So anytime we are self-deprecating, anytime it's causing a negative impact on ourselves. You know, it's so true. I want to actually segue into that, Shanti. I meant to tell you this before we started filming I just totally forgot. We've been talking a lot. I'm gonna be offering an online yoga course for our viewers to help them start to understand the philosophy so that they can help themselves pick teachers and stuff on their own.  But Shanti has a whole course for children following along with the yogic, the self-healing principle, sun kids. And I know we've talked about it before, but so many of my subscribers have asked me about their children and I was like, I need to make sure I have Shanti here to talk about this as well because you specifically work with children in this self-healing modality because teaching a child is obviously gonna be different than teaching an adult. And so can you just give a little bit about that, Shanti, so that my viewers who have children and want their children to be involved to start to get involved into self-healing, which is, I mean, I wish my parents had done that for me, like that's fantastic. If you're, and no better hands than Shanti and Mornay when it comes to helping your children start this journey at such a young age. Yes, well, we started, well, I started something called the sun kids many years ago and a year ago now, we started, I wrote a book. I then turned the book into a teacher's training manual and from about a year ago and I started training internationally online for teachers to become sun kids facilitators as well. So yes, it's an amazing, an amazing experience. So we taught a little bit about that. We teach them about meditation. Firstly, the sun kids are guided and protected by the sacred white lions. So we enable them to make that connection first. So then they start connecting to the white lions, for a guide, which is the, it's like the Christ consciousness of the animal kingdom. Yeah. Okay. So then we, it's talking about, we work with the white lions. Gosh, they'd learn about cells in DNA, learn about energy, how it works. How do we create happy cells? How do we create a good body? The chakras, all of that reflexology, planting. I mean, it's a complete syllabus. So yes, if there's anyone who's, and we're running kids workshops online on Zoom as well once a month. So I'm also going to restart starting to teach at one of the local home schools. Yeah, for 10 kids in the next couple of weeks. So I'm going to be doing stuff with them again or something in moving, hopefully with a group of teenagers. So, it really is, there's, the whole objective here is for kids to realize that the power lies within them and it always has. Kids have a natural ability to know this. It's the parents that have lost their way and then they influence the kids. So the minute the parents have attuned to reconnecting, they automatically want to show their kids a different way and a connected life. So it's about learning this stuff, the adult version that I teach, but I teach it in kid form. So animal communication is another thing they do there. So it's about learning how to focus your own energy, how to transmute your energy, how to realize when these things are not working out for you, how to look at others differently, how to see, teaching them compassion, stuff like that. So everyone comes in with compassion. It's like a blank slate. Now the question is, do we learn to be compassionate or do we learn to shut that down and become something else? So this is the thing with the kids. And as far as the yoga is concerned, yes, there are yoga pastures and stuff with the kids yoga, but I do agree with the Shtanga principle. Child, I don't believe you should be doing yoga until the age of eight or nine.  Swim like a fish and they go into some of the different pastures, but it's more playful really to understand nature and they play more the yoga games and stuff. But I wouldn't let a child do yoga and especially not because their bones are still soft and they're still forming, although it's very good for flexibility and stuff. So you wanna just make sure that, yes, teach them gymnastics, teach them the power of their body, stuff like that, you know, teach them how to get control of their bodies from a very young age because also feel, especially with people who've been violated, a great part of the healing is to do a physical practice, whether it's yoga or gym or something like that, but where you feel in control of your body again because so many people when they're young and they're being violated, felt completely out of control. The minute you start doing any form of exercise or strength or just feeling better about your physicality, everything also starts changing. You know, everything is works together. It's all- Absolutely. Well, that's like an ashtanga. Like, and I'll say this again guys because I know Shanti's more, the lineage that I practiced is a very extreme.  And so the teachers are very, very, very strict about children being in, the children could come to my store and watch. There's lots of kids that come and watch. And there's pictures of Shirat holding babies while he's adjusting. And Dave agreed with kids on his shoulders while he's adjusting. But the work that's being demanded in ashtanga is for adults because it's a very serious look at yourself and a very, what is it? My friend, Harmony says like hyper drives your karma. We don't want children in that situation that young because they are still growing. The demands of the os, the postures in ashtanga are too much for children who haven't finished growing yet. We have, we do have high schoolers come to AYA to the morning Mysore program and we're very, we only work with them like up to half primary series because their bodies are still kind of like baby deers where they're still kind of don't know, you know, they're wobbly and they're, they're just still trying to get into that body. It's growing so fast and changing. And so that is why exactly why Shirat says play yoga with your kids, play. And once they're done with the, if they want to learn the sun citations, but they're done, let them go off and play. Don't make them stay on their mat and keep going. Just let them go off and play. You know, it's, it's let them have that freedom of being a child before they have to then work through the childhood as an adult. But, but that's why Shanti is so good at what she does because she's geared that towards children and trying to teach them these, these practices before they move into adulthood. And when that, when the practice gets even more serious and they're able to then implement into a stronger healing modality. And so what I'm going to do, Shanti, if you don't mind, I want to do a follow-up with you. And I want to ask our audience watching right now for questions. If you have any questions, I know for a, I feel like Shanti, maybe you, I feel like sometimes I forget that people haven't had the opportunities that I've had or that you have. And so some stuff that seems common knowledge to me at this point isn't for people who are coming straight out of corporate America or straight out of the matrix. And so I want to propose to our people watching right now, what are your questions for Shanti when it comes to sound? And also what are your questions about, because you've asked me a lot about child's yoga and that's why I wanted to bring Shanti in because I'm not a teacher for, I've dealt with children in yoga but I'm not specifically a child's teacher. So ask your questions down below so that in part two, we can go deeper into your own understanding.  As she freezes. Absolutely. I'm back, I'm back, I'm back, gosh. Yes, absolutely I can. So it's, look, it's obviously not, it's not the physical experience you're going to get but with this whole lockdown thing and you were certainly one of the people I tried to see how it would work over Zoom. And it was pretty effective. Yeah, it's pretty effective. So I'm gonna say to you, well, I tell you what, any of your subscribers that want to, let's say have a sound journey or I do a package of three as well, I do healing sessions as well. We're also doing a big promotion on the Sun Kids Soul School facilitators right now. If you wanna become a Sun Kids Soul School facilitator, we're doing a big promotion on that right now as well. But Bryce, get them to fake and then contact me and give your name, email me, just put Bryce as a viewer and then what we'll do is we'll work out the 15% discount. Amazing, I wasn't even fishing for that, Shanti, but that's awesome, that's great, that's awesome guys. Shanti, when we get off, I want you to send me all of this. I have your email, but I wanna make sure it's the appropriate email for our viewers and I can just put all that down in the description guys, with everything, I know I have a lot of your links already for Sun Kids and stuff, but I am telling you guys, Shanti stepped in with me when I was going through probably the darkest time of this last year I've been through and my experience working, I mean, I've done it both in person with a teacher in India and now with Shanti on Zoom. I had the exact same experiences. It was obviously different situations were coming up, but doing it over Zoom, there was no difference for me than doing it live in person. I felt everything, I felt everything that was coming through the Zoom. And so if this is something that, especially I feel like if you're new to healing, as I said, this is something that is, well, tap into your deeper knowing that maybe your brain doesn't know, but your soul does know. And so, and Shanti is amazing at what she does. She's amazing. So I will put that all down in the description box below for those who want to just go ahead and do it. But for everyone else, if you have questions, yep. So if you guys don't know what a Tibetan singing bowl is, that's what it is, okay? And I'm going to just, I hope my internet doesn't go wonky now. But just to give an idea of what it is, that's what it sounds like. Can you hear it? Yeah, very lightly. Yeah, lightly, it's cutting it out a little bit. We can hear a little bit. Yeah, it's cutting it out. Okay, okay. It's not today, Saint, not today. Well, let's try with the other one. Maybe this one works better, uh-huh. Cause then there's a little one. Those two always play together, the one I've just had. So that's kind of like what they sound like. And I have a whole array of them and I'll play them together. And as I said, you know what I do for each person is because I see where it is, it's like no experience is gonna be the same with two people because I played to you. It's like I serenade your body. And I will work with your body and use whatever I need to with your body. And in that way, we then do it. And yeah, it's just as I said, it's a very find it difficult to talk or someone who finds it very difficult to express themselves and just doesn't know what to say or doesn't want to talk. Very often that's the first thing I will do is I'll just give them a sound journey because that kind of brings things into perspective and somehow they find a way of expressing or opening up or just allowing things to flow again. And that's where the healing sits, you know? It's not, the sound is gonna open up the energy highways. It's your job to keep these highways clear. That's your job. Yeah, absolutely.  It's that's very normal.  It's like literally Patanjaleen is like, you think too much, that's your problem. The soul knows though. The soul knows things that your brain doesn't know. And the body, we always say the body knows more than the mind does. The body is smarter than the mind. The mind is literally, the job of the mind is just to keep you alive. That's it. But it thinks it's more than that.  And that's what's beautiful about the sound healing. And yeah, it's tons of bulls guys. They'll be good sounds just going off. And it is specifically for you because no human being has the same exact issue, sometimes similar, but coming from different wounds, coming from different places of instability. And that's all, that's all, you know, the matric world has made us feel like we're a slave to our body. That if things happen, it's just the way it is. But no, you're the conductor of this. You're the conductor. And so that brings your power back to you. And that's what Shanti's job is, and my job off of YouTube is to help you find your way back home. But you find your way back home. So, so yes guys, I'm gonna put everything down in the description box below. I do eventually want Shanti to play a little song so we can put it up on the, on the channels. Y'all can hear a little bit, just have that go to emergency when you need to like. Oh, yeah. So out for a minute. And I do think too, you know, I look at the future of us moving into a new timeline whenever that happens. And I do think that instead of like hospitals, they're going to be sound healing temples. Yes. Absolutely. That's how our ancestors did it. And if we, if we just go back to the whole tartaria thing, and we look at that, they used to have water healing centers where healing, and of course the water was infused with sound, which gave the water crystals its specific healing shape. Because if you're looking at a mass area mortars work, we took the different water or the different waters from the different lakes, et cetera, froze it, photographed it. Each, you see the little crystals and how they work and how they shape. So sound is such a beautiful sound creates that frequency and vibration, which then reshapes the molecular structure of the water, which then enables healing because it then resonates because the human body is made up of what, 80% water? I was about to say, yeah. Yeah. It's like 80% water, yeah. And water can be shitty too. You can have gunky water, very poisonous water, right? Or you can have the healthy water. So, you know, the sound will transmute the energy of the water. You see it in rivers and streams. I mean, up in the North, in Atlanta, we're at the base of Appalachia.  And we know as Georgia residents, like if the water is stagnant, you don't let your dog drink that water because it's gross, it's stagnant. But if the water is free flowing, it's clean water, it's crisp water, it feels different, you can let your dog drink that water. It's the same, that stagnant water versus both water. It's just how they're composed themselves. We want that free flowing, clean, healthy water. And that's what that sound is going to do for you guys. So, I thank you guys for hanging in with our equipment today. And I love you so much, Shanti. I'm so excited. I can't wait to get you back on so we can talk about this further. Ask us at your questions, guys. Let us know any confusions you have because I'm so glad so many people are coming because we do have a form of the yoga world that's been corrupted as well. There is a side of that just like all religions where they've come in and corrupted. And so, but we have to remember that the darkest, if you think about photosynthesis, science, the darkness cannot create anything. It can only mimic and steal from the light. And so, it's part of our duty, just like we're cleansing with sound, we have to cleanse all these practices and bring them back to their original templates because they were created by the true healing source God creator that we're all part of. And that's what we came here to, as Shanti says, we came here to learn what we're not. Exactly. We came here to learn what we're not. And so, I thank you guys so much. Again, leave your questions down below. I'm gonna put all of Shanti's links in the description box below. I encourage you guys, if you're thinking about doing sound healing, you can't go wrong. Nothing, you can't go wrong. It's just such a beautiful healing ability. So as my equipment, they really don't want to stop it. They don't like us together, Shanti.  These troublemakers. They love honey. And I will be back, definitely will be back this Monday with Shanti for our Mystery Mondays. We missed it last week because Stephanie was under the water, we're gonna be talking about black-eyed kids and orphanages. So, very interesting. So. Very interesting indeed. We are looking forward to that. So really looking forward to that catching up with you guys again on Monday. Favorite Monday, yay. I know, I love you so much Shanti. I love Mornay too so much. And I will see you guys soon for Monday. And you guys again, happy weekend. Check out Shanti's links below and we'll talk to you all soon. Bye guys. Thanks everybody.


Today, I have the pleasure of speaking with Brent Willis from Voyager Pharmaceuticals. How are you today? I'm doing great. How are you doing? I think we should just hit the ground running here. We enjoyed you on Investor Talk today. And specifically, the most dramatic item you mentioned to our audience was that you recently had a valuation placed on Voyager Pharmaceuticals of $344 million, and yet your market cap is $11 million. Is that correct? Yeah. That's correct. We're just marching through the markets here, and we can't worry too much about our market cap. We just got to focus on our milestones to keep hitting them, so it'll come. And speaking of milestones, you're in a contrast industry, barium, iodine, contrast. Is that correct? That's right. And you were talking about how this industry, similar to the critical materials, many of the critical materials we cover, which is our audience, they love this. China is controlling a lot of these contrast output products like iodine, and it's creating a real fury out there for hospitals not being able to access this. Is that correct? That's right. So in radiology, contrast is used to allow the doctor to detect the disease and tumors and things that are wrong with you inside your body.  And the reason for that is because the majority of iodinated contrast comes out of China, and we have supply chain issues with barium sulfate, and it's a supply chain issue, and it's very foretelling. And when we're looking at our future, when we cannot supply our own hospitals with very much needed drugs, just based on a few port closures in China, so it really highlights the importance of domestic supply and moving forward with domestic production. And of course, I love just Brent as an aside, I love California investors. They go, you know, climate change matters to us, so they went in and became ESG investors, went in, bought and held. So all of us baby boomers and older Gen Xs that are going to be lining up for these types of processes, we may want to invest in helping support you in building the supply chain. And to me, that's what, that sounds credible. Yeah, absolutely. And we have a very marine agenda with our company too, we're, you know, our whole Francis Creek project is very low impact on the environments, we're eliminated in use of water, and we're, we're very environmentally focused in that sense. We have a lot of, a lot of stakeholder with our First Nations support, and, and we're very conscious of ESG and what it means for a company. And let's just talk about barium prices. Did you just, did I hear you correctly saying that barium is gone from 3,800 to $17,000? Is this US, Canadian, and for how much of, how much barium are we talking about? Yeah, we're, we're, we're looking at sourcing. So we're importing USP pharmaceutical grade barium sulfate. And that price has gone up to $17,000 a ton. We're looking at ordering for that. We're going to pay that to bring it in and to ensure that we have our supply chain and tax to move our initial sales off the ground. We have barite on the ground. We do have enough supply to get our production launched. And, but it really puts a focus on how important it is to, to get our Francis Creek project off the ground and moving forward. And we're looking at building a smaller plant, something that we hope will cost less than $2 million and almost like a bench scale processing to do up to three to three or four kilograms an hour. And which with our initial product rollout, we're looking at 300 bottles an hour. And that's enough to generate cash flow in the hundreds of thousands a month once we, we establish our markets. So I think that's going to be our first phase is start small. Low cap X, get our products to market in Canada and keep working with the FDA. We're going to get into the US markets down the road. We're not going to put any timelines on that. We've had very positive meetings with the FDA, but it's hard to put a timeline on their working through regulatory pathways for us to try to figure out how they're going to regulate this, this product that used to be a drug that was recently ruled on to be a device. So there's some issues there that the FDA still needs to work through. Well, Brent, thank you so much for the update. Please next news release. I want you on investor intel immediately. All right. Thank you.


We're actually really fortunate today in our inequality debate because we're trying to decide if it's inequality fair. I'm not sure who's taking which side on that because I'm not sure yet how we're going to define inequality. The two speakers today were very fortunate to have with us Dr. Jaron Brook, the Executive Director of the Anne Rann Institute, and is the co-author of Free Market Revolution and the upcoming book, Equal is Unfair, America's Misguided Fight Against Income and Inequality. That might be a clue. A former finance professor, Dr. Brook's commentary has been published in an academic as well as popular publications, and his op-ed is often appearing major news outlets like Forbes, The Wall Street Journal, and USA Today. Frequently interviewed on national television and radio, and lectures regularly on capitalism, inequality, business ethics, and freedom of speech at college campuses, community groups, and corporations across America and throughout the world. Thank you so much for coming Dr. Brook. On my left, as he always is, we have Professor Bill Marshall who received his law degree at the University of Chicago. He's currently the Keenan Professor of Law here at UNC. Former Deputy White House Counsel and Deputy Assistant to the President of the United States during the Clinton administration. He also served as Solicitor General of the State of Ohio. He is published extensively on freedom of speech, freedom of religion, federal courts, presidential power, federalism, and judicial selection matters. He is a frequent speaker to the ACS and to the Federalist Society. He's brought in as the rarest of abuses, the person who can speak rationally to both sides without throwing things at them. Tonight we're going to hope to have a little bit of a discourse on inequality in America. We're going to have 10 minutes stop watching force. They got me because I'm the largest member of the faculty. So we'll have a 10 minutes for opening remarks, about five minutes each for rebuttal. Then we'll have the remainder of our time will be for a Q&A session. So don't have a burrito-enforced nap, wake up at the end of the day. You may address questions to either of both speakers. If it's the one speaker in particular, the other speaker will also have an opportunity to comment. We're going to try to get out of here about 6.15 or so, so we'll have the full out. And with no further ado, I'll start with Dr. Brook. I'm giving them freedom of the web. Thanks for inviting me here. So inequality obviously is a huge issue both in the political one, but also in the academic realm. It is maybe the most debated, discussed issue today in economics. Major books have come out on this topic. You might be aware of a book by Piketty, the French economist that came out last year. It was an instant bestseller. Nobody actually read the book, but it was an instant bestseller. Amazon, I don't know if you know this, but Amazon keeps track of how much of a given book you read. If you buy it on a Kindle and they publish the 10 least read books every period of time. Piketty's Capital was one of them, which made me pretty happy. But it's become a huge topic. It's hard to open the New York Times on any given day without inequality coming up in a major story as an explanation for all our troubles. I think there are two primary arguments that the inequality, the people who view inequality as a problem. And I'm talking here about income inequality, wealth inequality, inequality when it comes to material stuff, which is what seems to be on people's minds. There seem to be two issues that people raise about inequality. One is economic and one is ethical model. The economic argument is, and there's a lot of ideas, the middle class has not improved its stakes since 30 years ago. If you know anything about life in the 1970s, life is so much cooler today, if you're middle class than it was back then. By every dimension with regards to, again, the material stuff, that I think that's just not a real argument. And then there is the argument that people at the top, there's a significant number of people at the top who didn't earn it, who at the top because they've got political connections, who at the top because they finagled the system. There's a real issue of cronyism in America today, and that is an issue that's growing in America. So there are issues with regard to how people at the top are doing their issues and how people at the bottom are doing. None of those issues have anything to do with the gap between the two. Who cares about what the gap is? If there are issues of cronyism, let's talk about them, let's fix them. I'm against cronyism. If there are issues at the bottom, people don't have enough opportunities, they don't rise fast enough, let's look at it, let's study it, let's fix it. The problem is not the gap. Economic theory, and nobody has presented an economic theory that says that the gap is what slows economic growth and what makes it a problem. There are lots of problems. Let's deal with the problems, but let's not, you know, kind of escape dealing with the problems by looking at the gap. And by the way, and we can get into the details in a little bit, almost all the proposals that I've seen to shrink the gap would do harm to the people at the bottom and harm to the productive people at the top of the income distribution. That is, they would restrict opportunities even more to people of low income and they would create even more cronyism at the top. Want to know how and why there'll be time in the Q&A or in the battles to talk about all of them. Now then there's the issue of, so economically, in my view, there's no issue of inequality. There are lots of economic issues, but there's no issue of inequality in terms of how the economy functions. Again, there's no theory of inequality that says that it puts the economy in some way. It just doesn't. There's no relationship. So I think the real issue is not an issue of economics. The real issue here is an issue of things, what we view as just, as fair. It's an issue of ethics. And then the question is of course, how do we define fairness? And the definition of fairness seems to have shifted, I'd say, over the last, certainly over the last hundred years, but maybe even over the last just 30, 40 years. Fairness used to mean, like justice, justice and fairness are often used as synonyms. They used to mean getting what you deserve. Getting what you deserve. And in the marketplace, at work, what you deserve is what you can make. It's how productive you are. Getting compensated for the value you are creating in the marketplace. In the real world, some people create enormous amounts of value. Bill Gates has changed the world. All of our lives are different indeed. I don't know that there's a person on the planet whose life is not marginally better because of Microsoft. As a consequence, he's made a lot of money. A small business or a fast food employee is not changing the world. They're not creating that much value. They're creating very little value, somewhere around $7 to $8 an hour with the value. And that's why that's what they're getting compensated. That used to be considered fair. You get compensated by how much you produce, by how much you create in the marketplace. Now again, we're talking just about material stuff. That doesn't mean you're not a good person or a bad person. It doesn't mean one person is going to be happier than the other. They're not necessarily colluding with the money. But when it comes to economic distribution, it was always linked to dessert. And dessert means productivity. Somewhere along the line, over time, we've come to the conclusion that equality now means, I'm sorry, fairness now means equality. There's an implicit assumption that equality is some ideal, some wonderful thing out there. That if only we could achieve it, that would be some kind of utopia or nirvana. I don't know about you, but I kind of like inequality. I like the fact that we're all different. I like the fact that we're all different. I like the fact that we all do different things, have different skills, have different abilities, express them in different ways. And yes, some people get compensated for their skills disproportionately to what I get compensated for my skills. Because the marketplace values that more than they value me. Fine. The bond change makes a lot more money than I do. And that's cool, because I enjoy watching the bond change. And by the way, I would like equality of basketball. I'm big on the bond. I want to be able to go on the basketball court of the bond change and play with an equal opportunity to win. Right? Now if you know anything about my basketball skills, we do know, but you can assume, I don't have a chance, right? So how do we make the equality happen? How do we make the so-called fairness happen? How do you make the bond change equal to me in basketball? You have to handicap him in some way, right? Like breaking his legs. An arm might help me as well. But that's what equality always requires. It requires pulling down people with ability. Pulling down the most productive. Pulling down the people with skills so that we can all be able to let the lowest common denominator, which in the case of basketball, is me. There's no other way of achieving equality. It's about tearing people down. Penalizing people for success. Penalizing people for ability. And to me, that is unbelievably unjust, unfair, unwanted. So I believe that inequality is fair. It's just. It's right. It's wrong. And that the people who are alarmists about the inequality are primarily motivated by an interest in tearing down success. They're primarily motivated by something that I think is pretty ugly, which is envy. Thank you. Thanks ACS and several societies for putting this thought together. And really thanks to Iran for coming here and honoring us for being here. And I urge you all to watch his podcast. Obviously in 10 minutes, he could present anything he wanted to present. And it's really intellectual and very much fun to listen to what he has to say.  I really don't have one as much as I have some disagreement with the way Iran just presented what he talked about. And first of all, let me say again, I want to celebrate this discussion that I told one of my other classes. My mom was a little Democrat. My dad was a conservative Republican. And as long as we could defend our people. He had a lot of other lawyers, by the way. So they were much more well informed than why they were prostitutes. But as long as we could defend whatever position we wanted, we took it to heart and she didn't feel like the other side was a bad person or whatever. And really it took many years until I realized how much smarter my mother was. But I also want us to think about these debates and these kinds of things. And we're going to learn from each other. I mean, I realize that for the same reason as Iran, since I probably agree with him on a lot more than he thinks that I might agree with him on. I'm not going to deal with the economics so much, but I will tell you some of the reasons why people are troubled about income inequality that I think we're facing. One is the civil unrest that creates. The CIA looks at income inequality as one of the basic things to look at and figure out if there's a danger of societal upheaval. And I think that's something to be concerned about. When the haves have so much and the have-nots have so little, there is a real danger of societal unrest. There isn't a morality claim here. I have a little bit of why do so many people or so few people have so much and so many have so few that I think one can defend it on. But I really want to talk a little bit about what Iran is saying is being so inconsistent with where a lot of the policy is not necessarily easy for it. But that seemed to be coming from that kind of view of the free market. Because what Iran really is talking about is rugged individualism. And the idea of rugged individualism as a way is what made this country what it is. And I agree. What a great thing. It's given us our optimism. It's given us our sense of innovation. Rugged individualism is really important to who we are, who we are as a nation. But it has its limits. In the case of the 1930s when the Supreme Court of Health, Social Security, talked about how when the country was founded you always had a new place you could go to to start all over. You don't have that anymore. And that's one of the reasons they actually held the Social Security talked about holding. We don't have that kind of opportunity to redefine ourselves and start all over. Not only that, we need a lot more to be able to succeed in this society. We need education. We need other kinds of benefits that society gives us. I think Obama misspoke when he said that nobody builds anything on their own. I think there misses some of the value of rugged individualism in there. But he's certainly right to say that those who make a lot of money in this country need our roads, need our communications, need our healthcare system, need our system of laws to make that possible. Bill Gates often says he owes back to the society. That's exactly what he's talking about. It's that the society gives the infrastructure for the entrepreneur and the parents talking about to succeed. And then we also see what happens when rugged individualism goes unchecked with the kind of abuses and very made-offs of this world that that creates and the need to stop rugged individualism, what we're going to call that, from going full. Now it seems to me what we need to think of, and this is what I want to get to figure out is that if you really took rugged individualism seriously, you wouldn't be talking about LeBron James, you'd be talking about Paris Hilton and Conrad, whatever they use, Hilton, who've taken an infinite amount of money and done nothing with it and still have it. And if you really took rugged individualism seriously, we have a 100% inherent tax. But what I hear on the other side is they call it the death tax and they say there's something to matter with it. No, I don't want to break LeBron James' knees, but when I play basketball with them, I don't want my knees to be broken because he started with so much more resources than I have. And that is the analogy in place. And the other thing to talk about, by the way, is healthcare. You want to talk about basic opportunity and the idea of equal opportunity. What could be more important than making sure that we have basic healthcare to rely on so that we all can compete? You know, even if we celebrate as we should, the idea that we are masters of our own things, we are not the masters of our own health. And when we cut off the idea that everybody should have access to healthcare, that is the largest attack on the idea of equal opportunity that I think is out there. How many of you know people who have to stop their own education to take care of aging parents? Or take care of friends or take care of spouses who are haunted? Or how many of you or how many people you know weren't able to succeed themselves because they got sick? If we really took this notion of rugged individualism seriously, which I think we should, we took that notion of what makes America great. What we should take seriously, and I believe you're wrong with referring to this too, is the idea of equal opportunity and what it means to create a level playing field. Not one in which we guarantee a quality of results. I agree that that's not what we're all about, and I agree that there are all kinds of problems with creating a system that's equal to quality of results. But there isn't one that talks about equality of opportunity. And that's what I think will really come to be short. And if you think that somebody who grows up in a public, in a rich subgroup of Connecticut, has the same kind of advantage and the same kind of ability to compete as somebody who grows up in McAllen, Texas, it's just not there. And if we are going to, I think that you're right, that when the Bill Gates of the World succeeds, it helps us all at some level. I don't believe in trickle-down economics is the only simplification. It's certainly true that the idea that some of us succeeds helps others, that we ought to at least provide the tools to allow everybody to succeed if they want to put that kind of work in, and not let the things that unfairly and beyond people's control stop them from succeeding from getting in the way. So that's the notion of a quality that I'm talking about, equal opportunity. And I think that's a different, you know, I think idea that works with rugged individualism. It's not inter-fatal to rugged individuals in accomplishing or creating the kind of society that you're on is talking about. Thank you. Speakers who finished within their lot of time, five minutes for a rebuttal. We both do the same quality. So just to sharpen the debate a little bit, because it's getting too nice here. Equal opportunity in my view is as false of a quality argument as equal. Because there is no such thing as equal opportunity. And you can't create it. It's again some utopian vision. The kid in the south side of Chicago is always going to have less opportunities than somebody born into a family that's already well connected and can send them off to University of Chicago or whatever. That's just the reality in which we live. We're not equal. Let's just accept that. We're not, and we're never going to be. The sense in which equality is important. And it's really in my view only one sense in which the term equality is relevant in the political realm. And that is the sense in which I think the founders meant it when they talk about all men who created equal in the Declaration of Independence. And that is all of us should be, the founders had a self of the contradiction here. But all men should be equal in rights, equal in liberties, equal before the law. We want everybody to have opportunities. They're never going to have equal opportunities. I actually want to maximize opportunities. My view is let's maximize opportunities for everybody. But to do that, we have to have a system that protects your right to your own life, your right to act in the pursuit of your own life. Now, when we try to establish systems that create equal opportunity, equal equal outcome, we by definition violate the principle of equality before the law. Because how are we going to create these equal opportunities? By taking for some and giving to others. There's no other way to do it. There are some people in order to raise other people. You're not treating them as equal. So it's not, it's not, you know, I want to get away from the terminology. I really don't believe in equality of any kind of outcome. It's equality of freedom, of liberty. Leave us alone, which is the working individualism we're talking about. It's really a political system that leaves individuals alone, that doesn't try to interfere, that doesn't try to give us more opportunities, more outcome, less opportunities, less outcome. Now let me address just quickly a few of the things. Civil disobedience. As far as I know in history, there's never been civil disobedience in a society which has had large differences where the perception was that the inequality was just. When it's, the perception is that the inequality of the gap is unjust like 18th century France, where the king, right, the aristocrats had all the wealth. Then you get civil disobedience. But in places like the United States, the 19th century, where there was a large inequality in Hong Kong to this day. I'm not talking about civil disobedience about democracy. I'm talking about civil disobedience about inequality. You don't get civil disobedience. I don't think civil disobedience, I think it's a rationalization. Now there is a perception today that that gap is unjust because of cronyism. We can discuss cronyism. I'd love to. That needs to be dealt with. But it's not the inequality again that's the problem. It's the cronyism that's the problem. Roads, communication that you didn't build that. Well, yeah, of course we all use roads that other people build, but you know what? For the most part, we all pay for them. Bill Gates didn't create myself, he had lots of employees. They all got paid. More millionaires were created in Microsoft than any company in human history because they got paid well for the contribution they provided. And you know what? His taxes, even the minimal amount of taxes that he paid, paid for those roads, paid for those schools, paid for those teachers. People, it's not like there's free stuff out there because there's nothing that's free. That's not what the freedman said, there's no free lunch. Somebody pays for it, it might be free to you, but somebody pays for it. And Bill Gates and the 1% paid disproportionately for the infrastructure. Because we are actually used for free, because many of us pay a lot less taxes. Less taxes than we would cost to actually provide that infrastructure. And you know, we can have a debate about whether that infrastructure should be private or public, which is a whole other topic. I'll stop there. Okay, I'm glad we aren't going to be nice. I was in a good place to go. No, let's deal with some of the problems that your ideas may have. He said that, yeah, nobody in the South Side of Chicago has ever done the same kind of opportunity with some going up in the Chicago suburbs. You know what? Can we create an exact opportunity? Brown is going to know it. I think we can create a form of some kind of opportunity. But let's take his argument seriously and say, okay, we are going to have a system where we know that people are going to be frozen into certain kind of economic strata and other people who are not. Well, it seems to me that is the kind of unjustness that does create social unrest. And if we say we don't really care about the fact that we know that there isn't going to be certain economic opportunities for people in Appalachia or people in the inner cities, that creates the problem of civil unrest. And by the way, I love your example of a 19th century because the response in 19th century in America was the creation of the income tax and the busting up of the large anti-trust thing. There was a political response to that kind of inequality. It didn't lead to civil unrest, but it didn't lead to people patting themselves on the back and saying, what a great system we have because the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It led to legal redress of those particular kinds of concerns. And one of the areas of work where I think that, you know, I think he talks about the value of people of being established by the market. So I'll use the example in his initial remarks about Bill Gates made hundreds of millions of dollars and somebody making seven bucks working for him, working for him each time. And we can ask ourselves, is the free market really all that good in providing, in attaching work to what people do? Is it really true that a hedge fund manager is worth 200 times what a teacher in the south side of Chicago is making in trying to help folks? Is it really true that the market is giving us an accurate representation of the value that people post in society? Now, your answer is probably going to be, I don't know if that's true or not, he might say, or at least folks coming in, but the market does that and we shouldn't second guess the market because that's better than having government make those kinds of choices. Except it's not really true that the market makes all these kinds of choices. Because of the large issues of wealth, it's done by management and corporate structures. I mean, look what happened. After Wall Street brought us into that economic depression that we had in 2007-2008, they all got raises and they all got bonuses. And the reason why that happened is because ownership is so business from management right now that there is no market check on that except what works in a very consistent part of the economy in New York. So you can't convince me either on the grounds of looking at the value of people's worth to society or the grounds that the free market is actually making free choices to say that this kind of economic differential is fair. And yes, it's true at its last point that everybody pays taxes and so that's where the wealth is coming from. But one of the questions we have to ask is, is this a fair tax system? What is pointed out, heads of corporations, people making a lot of money, paying a less effective rate than the secretaries who are working for. There's something that's wrong. There's something that's wrong here. The market isn't working in the way that he's talking about. I read in Iran when I was a kid too, I love it. I mean it's great, that sort of image of freedom, I think is a valuable image. But it has to be tempered by a sense of reality and how it works in the world. And if everybody was an Anne Rand in this world, the society would fall apart in an instant. Thank you, everybody. So we're going to open the floor up to questions here. I am struck that some of these things seem to be questions about the appropriate level of abstraction and what principle it is we're coming to and that there might be responses where both of you would agree about the nature of the problem. For example, the cronyism issue would be coming at it from opposing ends of the political spectrum about what the correct response is and where the problem lies to begin with. So I'm really interested in a joint meeting between the American Communist Society and the Federalist to see what we think, whether or not government is the problem or the solution and whether or not we can fairly define the problem. So with that I will open it to the floor. Let's start here. For professional reasons, you said that you did not agree with the proposition that someone's value can be adequately assessed as their market value. Is their value to market? Well I've said that the current salary struggle doesn't necessarily select the value that people have. I guess my question is other than a market value, what objective gauge of one's value would you... Sure, I mean that's the problem. What Richard just said a minute ago is having government come up with a wage schedule isn't exactly going to be a perfect result even. I agree with that. The problem is it's not that it's government the solution or government the problem. The government is both the solution and the problem and private industry is both the solution and the problem. Private industry doesn't work to curb environmental harm because it's not in private industry's economic interest in doing that. We can't have a government wage system to do it but we can acknowledge the fact that maybe the wage system doesn't work effectively in doing everything that you're on saying when we come up with an idea of what taxation should look like for example. So I'm not in favor of some sort of utopian evaluation of the teacher working in the South Side of Chicago versus a hedgehog manager. But I am suggesting let's start with the proposition that we know that the wage system isn't necessarily reflecting the value to the society as a way to sort of evaluate this economic evaluation. So I guess partially I take this question of value to society. I don't know what that means. There is no society out there that we can value. The question is if I'm selling a product is am I providing a value to some people and how much money I make is going to reflect how much value I'm providing to those people and how many people I'm providing that value to. That's the only value there is. It's value between individuals. There's no algorithm out there to calculate social value and when we try to do those calculations it's very dangerous. And at the end of the day I think the wage system called the wage system is quite good. It's quite good at reflecting. The hedge fund managers make a lot of money because they have a lot of distortions in the market primarily created by government manipulation that need to be taken care of. So the allocation of capital is more efficient which all of us benefit from by the way and any day if you want to invite me back to debate hedge funds I'd be happy to do it. And last I looked except for one or two cases every CEO of Wall Street was fired after the financial crisis. Financial crisis that again I've done many debates on this was caused by government and yet no government not a single government regulator not a single government politician lost his job on the country. The two guys most responsible for it Dodd and Frank got a big bill named after them and are considered heroes and yet they are more responsible for the financial crisis than any CEO. So if we're talking about retribution the market is so much better at you know getting rid of people who do harm than his government government keeps them there forever for you know they get lifetime jobs. I was a doctor with a question for you. You said that you're willing to create an equal play to create opportunities that you have to take from someone to bring the same thing. To create inequality as we currently have it you have to take from someone to create that inequality. People lost something that important to be sustained. American ruggedness was not just what created America. America taking from other people to create that. So how do you reconcile that? So I don't accept your premise that is while I'm not going to say they weren't any justices in the recognition obviously they were. The world is not a sewer some game that is the wealth is not about taking from other people. We today in the world are far far far richer by I mean it's hard for you and all of us to imagine how much richer we are. Then we would 250 years ago as the whole world right we didn't take it from anybody. No aliens from which we stole it. Wealth is created and we are richer than people who are richer today didn't take it from other people. They created new wealth that didn't exist before. Now are there any justices in the past? Yes slavery certainly was not to American Indians but that doesn't explain the wealth that we have today.  There's a reason why the north was richer than the south and won the Civil War because it didn't have slavery. Not having slavery encourages freedom, encourages people to work harder, encourages production. It became more industrial and therefore it became richer and that's why it won the war. Other than it of course it was rights which what would hope the rights like when it's always it doesn't always happen that way. So I don't buy into the zero sum game that you're hypothesizing. Wealth is not an issue of redistribution. Wealth is something to be created at least under freedom. Now pre-freedom, pre-capitalism, pre-industrial revolution we had a zero sum of wealth. I don't know if you've ever seen these wonderful income and wealth graphs that go back 10,000 years. And they measure human wealth, human income 10,000 years today and the graph is basically flat. It goes up a little bit, down a little bit and then it's 17-something, it goes like that. It goes suddenly through the roof and in Asia that doesn't happen. In Asia it stays flat and somewhere around 1970 something it goes like that.  Not because it's taken from somebody but because it's created. I just read a story, the World Bank just today came out with a statistic. For the first time in human history less than 10% of the planet, of the human beings on the planet lived below what is defined as extreme poverty. That is to be celebrated, that should be a headline in every newspaper because it won't because nobody wants to talk about it. Because India and China and other places in Asia and some places even in Africa have adopted elements of capitalism and suddenly they're richer for it. So they haven't taken anything from something they've created out of nothing. Of course they've taken something away from it. Obviously when you use labor you don't have to say there's complete exploitation but you're not doing it by yourself. You need people there that you're using as a labor force to be able to build what it is that you want to build. And there is, I think that's what Bill Gates talks about, partly talks about giving it back. It's because of the structure of the society, because of the availability of the workforce and the use of that workforce that you've been able to amass that wealth in the first place. So taking some of that back is just a reflection of the fact that it's not as individualistic like to assume that it is. I think the myth of rugged individualism is an important myth and movement but it's not like anybody did it on their own. They needed to have, and I think that's your point, they needed to have other kinds of resource. They need to be able to use the society, what was there, to be able to particularly build out them. I don't think we ought to build an economic structure on that alone. I think we ought to recognize the value of individual and entrepreneurship but we certainly should recognize that that's a part of it when we're thinking of this overall question of income inequality. So Mr. Books, you say that equality of opportunity is not necessarily a good thing but I believe that the opportunity cost, if you look at the body of the proportion, so the more people are that poor kid from the south side of Chicago than our Bill Gates, if we assume that smart people don't just come from rich people, you know, the services that a productive person gives back to society, you say that it's measured in what they can create. If you don't have a quality of opportunity, how then would you say that they're able to put back into society? Also, I think that your point about Bill Gates is actually very interesting in this respect since that Bill Gates, his company, was convicted of antitrust measures and you say that you're against currentism and yet Bill Gates was a private school kid that ended up using monopolistic tactics to make his wealth. So there's two questions, let me try to separate them out. I'm eager to answer the antitrust one, but I mean the law schools have to be careful. So let me ask the first one first. Look, counted the way it was presented, I don't believe in static economic classes by any means. I actually believe strong, and I think the evidence is on my side, that if you take away the rhetoric of equal opportunity and you take away the rhetoric of equality of outcome, you take away equality out of the picture, you're giving more opportunities to poor kids than you would otherwise. So all of the policy proposals of the people who advocate for equality, whatever kind of equality you want, actually institutionalize people into poverty more than my proposals. No system in human history, as is illustrated by what's going on in Asia right now, no system in human history has provided more opportunities to rise up from poverty than a system of freedom where the government doesn't intervene in our business lives, where the government leaves us alone, where the government doesn't try to establish equality of opportunity. You want equality of opportunity? And I'm going to say something that's like a thousand times more radical than anything I've said so far, so be ready. Get rid of public education because public education doesn't give equality of opportunity. What it does is institutionalizes bad education for poor kids. Look at the South Side of Chicago. Go look at the schools in the South Side of Chicago. It is one of the great travesties of this country that we have such awful, horrific educational institutions in the poorest neighborhoods where they can least afford to get a bad education. Now, if you privatize the education and you get competition for those kids and you've got corporations looking for those smart kids in the inner cities, giving scholarships to those kids, starting schools in those kids, which have no doubt would happen, the quality of education in the inner cities would go up astronomically. It's unimaginable how good of an education they would give. So my view is when the government gets out of the way, when you have freedom, you maximize opportunities. I'm not for equality of opportunities. I think that's too shallow. I want to maximize opportunities. I want kids to have as many opportunities as possible. I'll give you one other example and then we'll go into interest. Minimum wage. There is no worse law on the books of this country than the minimum wage and it's so enthusiastically embraced now we're raising. This is a law whose sole purpose is to make inner city kids unemployable. Now nobody will admit that, but that's why it was instituted by racist white union bosses who didn't want competition from minorities because it prices them out. The whole point of minimum wage is when you take a price and you artificially raise it and you set it as a minimum price, demand for that product goes down no matter what product is. When you do that to labor, demand for that labor goes down. So what happens when you raise the minimum wage, demand for unskilled labor goes down. And this is like the law of gravity. This is not debatable. This is not up for empirical evidence. This is a law of economics equivalent to the law of gravity. So when you raise the minimum wage to $15, what you're doing is you're telling a inner city kid you'll never have a job. Because you're not going to be producing at $15 an hour unless you start at $5, $6, $7 and work yourself up. But you can't start at $5, $6, $7.  The wealthy kids among us. You can go do an internship. How much do you get paid for the internship? Zero. My son does comedy in Hollywood, right? He's a comedy writer.  Zero. Nobody's insisting on minimum wage for internships and comedy writers. No, because those tend to be middle-class kids. No, we want to have a minimum because we know that if we'd sit at a minimum wage the internships would go away. And we don't want that. But we're willing to take away jobs from inner city kids. That to me, nothing makes me more angry than that. Because I care about those kids. And I care about the next really smart kid who could own a franchise, who could build a franchise, could build a business. But if they never get that first job, they'll never have a life. The first job is so crucial. Antitrust. Before we go to antitrust. Response, and then we'll come back to antitrust. Very little talk about getting rid of the minimum wage laws in public education. What's that response? No material. That's a bad one. Yeah, right. But on a couple of counts, a minimum wage, a minimum wage for example, what's the reason why minimum wage was built in? Because I'm not an economist. You've got to be able to kick my butt when you're crossing it. You're the one. But there are economic reasons for including the fact that you, when there could be a race to the bottom when you have more employees than you have jobs available, and that can depress. And so part of the idea of minimum wage is to fight against a depressed wage structure. There are some laws which I think are better, which work to exempt students from some of these things, and that can be a fix on minimum wage laws to deal with some of the issues that you're talking about without throwing the baby out of the bathroom. With respect to public education and competition, one of the problems with respect to that is, you're going to have to fund that in a really high rate. So whether you're paying, well, who's going to be paying for the tuition for the kids, for the families that don't have any money to pay for tuition? You're going to have the government?   In the city of Chicago to send a kid to a public school in the city of Chicago cuts the city of Chicago $16,000 a year. You can check this out online. For the Catholic diocese, and I'm not a big component of Catholic schools because I'm not religious, but from Catholic diocese it costs $7,500 a year. Yeah, and I think there are a lot of schools.  But we'll see how well the charter school system is working. It's that mixed report so far. What it does do, and what the voucher system does do, is bleed the public school system so that the resources aren't placed into the public school system that need to be there. And we've had a bleeding of public education. I think there's some, obviously some good points to be made about the inefficiency of public education. But public education has also provided the basic cornerstone of how we got to where we got in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. And we haven't funded it. We haven't created the system that makes it work. But even if we go to a system that you're talking about, you're still going to have to tax folks to pay for whatever voucher system or whatever system that you're going to create. That is going to be an attack in the way you phrase it on equality because we're going to have to tax those who are making more money to make that system viable in any real sense than to give these folks any kind of opportunity. I'm going to artificially depress the marketing questions about antitrust in the false equality.


All right. In this very short video, I want to talk about the spectral theorem of symmetric matrices, and I've mentioned this before, but whenever a theorem gets a name, it's sort of like it's a big deal. You know, like the Fuddle-Mill theorem of linear algebra, the non-singular matrix theorem, things like that. And as we're coming near the end of section 6.4 here, the spectral theorem is this major capstone theorem with regard to not just eigenvalues and diagonalization such but for symmetric matrices right here. So before anyone's like worried about a ghost coming out here, we talk about spectral theorem and spectral theorems in linear algebra. The idea is that a strom in the linear algebra context represents the set of eigenvalues. So the spectrum of the matrix are sometimes called the spec of A for short. It's just a set of all the eigenvalues of that matrix. And so a spectral theorem in linear algebra means it's a theorem about eigenvalues. So the spectral theorem of symmetric and Hermitian matrices is a way of categorizing to classify what the eigenvalues of a symmetric or Hermitian matrix is going to be. And so for any square symmetric or Hermitian matrices, the following four things are true. Some of the things we've seen already, some we haven't. So first and one of the most impressive things about out there is that for a symmetric or Hermitian matrix A, if it's in by in, it'll have in eigenvalues. And that's counting multiplicity, right? And then particularly these eigenvalues are going to be real numbers. The, even if you have a real matrix, right, the eigenvalues very well could be imaginary numbers or they could be non real numbers, you know, with a real part and an imaginary part, right? We just they could be non real complex numbers, but for a symmetric matrix, they're always going to be real numbers, those eigenvalues. That's also true. And you'll have any of them if you count multiplicities, right? And speaking of multiplicities, the geometric and algebraic multiplicities of a symmetric or Hermitian matrix are always equal to each other. There's never any lacking of that because we always know that the geometric one is less than or equal to the algebraic one, but we actually guarantee equality for a symmetric and Hermitian matrices. Equality of the algebraic and geometric multiplicities is equivalent for the matrix being diagonalizable. And since as we've seen before, a symmetric or Hermitian matrix is orthogonally or unitary diagonalizable, in particular, they're always diagonalizable. So you get this equality of multiplicities. We had talked about before jumping to the fourth one on our list here that a matrix is symmetric if and only if it's orthogonally diagonalizable. And it'll also be Hermitian if and only if it's unitary diagonalizable. So there's a strong sense of diagonalization for symmetric and Hermitian matrices. And then we also, so this right here was our theorem. What was it again? 6.4.4. We also saw that eigenspaces of a symmetric or Hermitian matrix are mutually orthogonal with each other. That was 6.4.1 theorem in our textbook right here. So this kind of summarizes things we've done here. This one we've hinted to Part A, but we haven't actually proven it yet. And so I just wanted to supply just a quick argument what's going on in that regard. Because after all this 6.4.1 actually depended on the eigenvalues being real for the Hermitian case right there. For the real one is a little bit more obvious. And the argument really comes down to the following calculation. So if we want to see the argument behind A, take the quantity x star A x. So I'm going to focus on the Hermitian case in this situation because it's less likely that a complex matrix would have a real eigenvalue. So consider this quantity right here x star A x, right? And I want you to take the star of that. So take the conjugate transpose. Well, the conjugate transpose itself is also a shoe sock operator. It switches the order of everything. So the last term becomes the first term x star.  The star, the star kind of like the transpose, if you take the double star, they just cancel each other out. So you end up with x star A star x right here. And then this is the point where Hermitian is actually important, right? Hermitian implies that A star equals A. So this equals x star A x like so. And so you'll notice that x star A x quantity star is actually equal to itself. So this matrix right here, x star A x right here, this, this, this quote unquote matrix is Hermitian. So if you take it star, you can back the original thing right here. And the reason why this is significant is that this could be written in a slightly different perspective. This is just x dot A x, right? We're taking the inner product here, which is the Hermitian product. And this of course is just going to equal a, this is just a complex number. When you take the inner product of vectors, it's always just gives you back a scale. So this is just a complex number. But when you take the star in this situation, the star just gives you conjugation, right? So this is telling us that x, x A x. So sorry, x dot A x bar, the conjugate is just equal to x dot A x like so. And so that implies that it's in fact actually a real number. So starting off with that, this x star A x is a real number. But I want to consider it in a different perspective as well. If we take x star times A x, if we, and this, so this, this calculation star A x. This is a real number for any, any vector, any vector x as long as A is a Hermitian matrix, which includes symmetric matrices as well. So let's assume now that x is an eigenvector so that what we get that A x equals lambda x, right? For some eigenvalue there. So in that situation, this then becomes x star times lambda x. And as we're now the second factor pulling it out doesn't do anything in terms of conjugation. You'll pull out the number lambda right there. Not that it would be much of a problem anyways. We get lambda times x star x, like so. In which case this, this then gives us lambda times the length of x right here. And as eigenvectors cannot be zero, the length of x is nonzero. We're going to end up with lambda equals x star A x over the length of x. And I guess I should, this length of x squared. I often forget that square there. And so x star A x we saw was a real number. The length of every vector is real when you square that it's good. This shows us that we have a real number like we were trying to verify. That's what we're trying to show here. So for any symmetric matrix or any Hermitian matrix, the eigenvalues are always real numbers. And that's a very impressive and powerful result when it comes to considering the spectral theory of these, of these symmetric matrixes. I can't under emphasize, I can't, I can't, I can't over emphasize. I should say how important how that these eigenvalues are real. We're not necessarily going to see it too much in this, in this section, but I do want you to be aware of it. This is a significant result that helps in many, many, many situations of linear algebra.