You want to stay ahead of the curve at SJSU iSchool and in your MLS and MARA career, then read the news and follow the blogs. Let's start with the news. June and July feature a lot of highlights and this recap will focus on news, career blog, iStreet blog, MARA blog, and the Siri blog. June and July offered so much to celebrate, including scholarships. I definitely recommend reading the student stories and learning about future opportunities for yourself. In the news, we're excited to learn that three iSchool students received reform scholarships for commitment to serving Spanish-speaking communities. Please join me in congratulating Luisa Liedha, Cynthia Cortez, and Renee Toy. In addition, three iSchool students received scholarships to pursue law librarianship. Featured here is Javala Steinman in the photo and please help me celebrate the other award winners, Jimmy Pack and Rachel Belindo. Following that, 34 iSchool students received scholarships totaling $48,348 to assist pursuit of grad studies and 12 exceptional MLS and MARA students received 16 scholarships to fund their education. Some exciting news for faculty in terms of grants and awards. Please join me in celebrating Dr. Michelle Velargan, who was awarded a grant for a special project, an examination of cultural intelligence with an academic law librarian, and Dr. Bill Fisher, who was inducted into the SLA Special Library Association Hall of Fame.  Featured here is Dr. Kristin Rudman, who was promoted from associate to full professor. Dr. Michelle Chin, who was recently tenured and now promoted from assistant to associate professor, and Dr. Tonya Sam Nicholas Roca, who was also recently tenured and promoted from assistant to associate professor. A few other choice highlights. The new SJSU MLS and Informatics program was awarded $50,000 grant for innovation. And SRJ or the Student Research Journal and Open Access Journal negated to LIS research and SJSU's only double-blind peer-reviewed graduate student-run journal just released their 17th issue. It's a must read. Coming up next is the career blog. It's currently written by iSchool student Rose Snyder. That's me. Top reads for this month include is your resume a hot mess? The MLS skills report at work. Did you read it? Interview questions? Bring it on. And how to use keywords to help you find the job. And also must read is the iSchool student blog. It's currently written by iSchool student Havilah Steinman. Some top stories from the last few months are day in the life of Rosa Conrad an MLS iSchool student and LIS skills to the test, the special library association special event. And learn more about studies at blockchain at SJSU with Dr. Sue Almond and iSchool director Dr. Sandra Hirsch. The MARA blog is run by MARA program coordinator for Professor Patricia Franks and features many posts by students. Some highlights from the last few months are getting to know the MARA student assistant Ken O'Walker. Learning about the Australian National Archives that are at risk and MySpace and the Internet Archive. And finally, don't miss Siri blog. Siri is the center for information research and innovation at SJSU and focuses on fostering LIS research to benefit a global audience. And it's currently run by Siri coordinator Dr. Lily Liu. One of the highlights from recent news is that Dr. Anthony Bernier was awarded prestigious ALA diversity grant to study the experience of first generation iSchool students. Find out more about the results and future directions of this innovative research. And finally, thank you. Thank you for watching. Look forward to an August recap.


Okie dokie YouTube family, it's time for an empties video. Feel like since it's been such a long time for me to be off of camera with all my health issues, that these have really stacked up on me. So I'm gonna go through them fairly quickly so that you guys can see what I'm gonna repurchase, but I also want to not spend a lot of time on each product. So before we get started, if you're new to my channel, please subscribe by clicking the button below. Don't forget to hit the bell icon so that you can be notified of any future videos that I might be having. Also, if you enjoy this empties video, sometime through the video, would you please give it a thumbs up? That really does help me and I appreciate it very much. Okay, into the products. The first one is from Tantal. I love Tantal. I buy this off of HSN and this one is their tanning mist. I love this stuff. It is really good. I use it on a tanning mitts and then I just rub it on my body. I really love their individual packages too. So that is a yes on the repurchase. This one is the Sunday Riley Good Jeans. I had a small one of that. And this is probably one that I won't repurchase just because I don't appreciate the ingredients here that much. Even though this is a company that everybody touts and this is a great exfoliating product, I'm gonna stick with my the ordinary AHA and BHA product. It just works really good for me. Another thing that I will not be repurchasing is from number seven laboratories. This is their line correcting booster serum. They made this like a syringe where it looked like a needle on the end. But you guys, this is nothing like what they touted. They said that this was going to replace Botox for some people. No, this is just a really high price tag that did nothing for my skin. I was so disappointed in this because I have really bad 11s and then I have the really bad lines around my eyes and I felt like I really wanted to try this and give it a good shot. Use the whole tube religiously morning and night and did not notice a ding-dang thing that was different in my skin. This is from Redken Color Extend Magnetics Conditioner. Why does it always take me three times as long to go through conditioner as it does my shampoo? I don't know, but it does. So this one lasts me such a long time. It is a good conditioner. I do like it. I do feel like any of these Color Extend conditioners and shampoos are really good if you do have color-treated hair, which I do. And so I really did enjoy this. It's very thick, it's very creamy. It's almost like a hair mask and I did like it a lot. Speaking of hair masks, I have two. One is from Briogeo Don't Despair Repair, a deep conditioning mask. And then this is from Amica and this is the Soul Food Nourishing Cream Mask for your hair. I liked both of these very much. I love the Amica for how soft it made my hair feel and I love the smell of it, but the Briogeo just seemed to give my hair a little bit more softness and carry on a little bit more softness into the next day. I usually wash my hair every other day and it just really seemed to stay with my hair. So if I had to choose one of these to pick up and buy again, it would definitely be the Briogeo. I've had several of these little tubes and I do like that product a lot. A few more things for the hair. I have the Living Proof Perfect Hair Day 5N1 Styling Treatment. Love this stuff. This little tube is just one of their deluxe sizes or whatever they're called, mini sizes.  Like I say, I do my hair or wash my hair every other day and I was using this and you only need about the size of a dime in your hand and it works through all of your hair. Really make my hair very soft. I love that there's a heat protected in here. There's a shine in here. It's just really, it's a really good product. I'm definitely going to be repurchasing that one. And one of my repurchases that has happened for over a year. This is from Kirkland. This is the Extra Strength Monoxadil 5%. I love this stuff. Last year I went through a horrific time with my hair where I lost half the volume of my hair because of some stress that I was going through. And I was so discouraged after that and I feel like this saved my hair. And it has made me grow hair where I don't think I've had hair in years. It's basically stimulated the hair follicle and it comes in with a dropper that goes on here. Just take the little dropper and you put it on your scalp and then you massage it in. And I love this stuff. We'll never be without it. From Redkin. This is number 11, Iron Shape. This is a heat styling protectant or thermal protectant with a hold in it. A little bit of a hold in it. I love this stuff. It's so good. And I sprayed on my hair after my hair is completely dry. Sprayed on my hair right before I'm going to flat iron or curl it and brush it through and then go ahead with my styling and it really helps your hair hold the curl a lot.  This is from Philosophy. They're Puriti Made Simple Cleanser. This is my Ryder Die Cleanser. I can buy a huge one of these and it lasts me forever. And I've been using this for probably like eight years or longer. It's just one of those ones that for me it just is a no-brainer. Takes my makeup off really well.  Now I do have to go in with something a little bit stronger than this if I'm wearing waterproof eye makeup. This, I would have to rub too much to take off my waterproof eye makeup. But for everything else and every other time when I'm not wearing a waterproof mascara this one is wonderful. I have four creams. I am really trying hard to use up what I have before I go in and purchase anything else. This one is the Urea 5% Cream from Numus Med. This is their day cream. Love this stuff. When my skin was going through a time when I was really angry and kind of sensitive I would put this on and it just seemed so soothing. Now I'm probably not going to repurchase this particular brand. I really want to try the Tsukiakasu Hada one that is the 5% as well. Really want to try that. So this one is probably not one that I'm going to go back and repurchase. But not because it wasn't good just because I want to try a different one. From Derma E I have two. This one is the Hydrating Day Cream. This one wasn't quite hydrating enough. It did play well under makeup though. I will tell you guys that. It wasn't quite hydrating enough for me because my skin is just so dry. I have terribly dry skin. If I don't go in with something that's super hydrating and get that all into my skin I'm going to notice by the end of the day that I'm so dry and I feel yucky. So definitely not the best one for me. Derma E Vitamin C Intense Night Cream. Okay, I liked that it had vitamin C in it but it wasn't an intense night cream because the way that I can tell if it's intense night cream or not is if it lasts with me until the morning. And I usually only sleep about six to seven hours at night anyway. So if there's a cream that can't last that long I'm not very happy with it. And this one just kind of fell short. And then also this is from Bay Body. This is their Retinol. This has a lot of claims on it guys. So strap in for this one. The Retinol Anti-Aging Moisturizing Intense Firming. Reducing the appearance of wrinkles cream. Did it do that? I don't think so. It wasn't that great for me you guys. I liked the delivery system where you just push on this and you get your product off of there. So you know that not everything else is getting contaminated, great delivery system. But beyond that there wasn't a lot that I can say that's positive towards it. It wasn't a great moisturizer. Anything that has these Retinols in them I don't feel like it's enough of Retinol for me. I have to have my Retinay. I just have to. And so this was one that was not like over the moon wonderful for me. So I'm probably gonna skip that one. This one right here is Youth to the People. This is their Kale and Green Tea and Spinach Vitamin Cleanser. This is a foaming cleanser. It's a really nice cleanser. But I felt like it wasn't a cleanser that I could go in and I could get my makeup off with. And that's probably why I won't be repurchasing again. It was okay. So I feel like this would be, if you're used to doing a double cleanse, which most of us are, if you're used to doing that, get something that's gonna take off your makeup, then you could go in with this one and it would be fine. Personally, philosophy, the one I just showed you, it works really good. I'll take my makeup off. And then I only need a tiny, tiny bit, if even that, to do that second cleanse. So that one I'm probably going to pass on. This one is a little tube of this Cicapair. I think that's how you pronounce it. Dr. Jart Cicapair Tiger Grass Cream. That's a mouthful. This one, you guys, I love this stuff. And I know that there are a couple of you gals that said that there was something else that you use that's a lot less expensive than this. List that below if you gals remember what I'm talking about.  If I get the chance to get this again, I will be buying it again. But you guys had mentioned one, I can go back on that video and look, but you guys had mentioned one that I really wanted to perk my ears up and take note of and try to. This one is from Wonder 2 and this is the Wonder Kiss Lip Scrub. I loved using this, you guys. This is the granules that you have when you use one of these and then the moisturizer that goes in. So the granules help scrub and then you wipe it off and you're left with the moisturizer on your lips. So I really liked this one, not only because the scrub wasn't too harsh, but also because of the balm that it left behind. I just thought it was just really lovely and I really did enjoy that one. And if I get the chance, I probably will repurchase that one. Also from X Lash and I just put this, I think in my monthly favorites. This is my new Holy Grail Lash Serum that I will never be without. I cannot believe what this has done to my lashes. My lashes were practically non-existent before and now I feel like they're growing like crazy. They are getting longer, they're getting thicker. Now somebody did ask me, will this make my lashes thicker? What it does is help your lashes that are there to grow in and not turn over so quickly and to grow their maximum length before they fall out. Eyelashes have a very short life cycle. They really do. So using this, I just felt like it is so good on my lashes and I bought the big one of this that I'm using now. Also in here is a Maybelline Master Camel. This one is in the yellow color. I use the yellow for my dark spots that are out here on the sides of my faces. I have them on both sides. I have dark spots that are age spots and scars, old scars from when I had really bad acne as a kid. The yellow seems to be really good. I use the red, the green for my redness and then I use the orange for underneath my eyes that the yellow seems to do really good on my age spots. We'll be repurchasing that. Okay, this is what I was talking about in so many of my comments.  This is what I do and I love it. This tube is gone.  This is from Tsukiakasuhara and I love this eye cream. This is the Urea Eye Cream. So good, you guys. You know what I was saying about being able to, you know, put your moisturizer on at night and wake up with feeling moisturized? This does it and I've never seen anything in all the products that I've ever tried, ever do this. This will be my holy grail as long as possible. Now, am I going to try other eye creams? Probably, but I feel like this is the one that the moisture just, oh my goodness, the moisture is just there. So if you use a hyaluronic acid underneath this, you would just have so much moisture being held to your eyes. It's really, really good. It is that good. Urea does two things. First of all, not only does it give that intense, yummy moisture that those wrinkles and fine lines and crepiness need, but it also has a property in it that does a little bit of exfoliation. Now, how many products do you know that are exfoliating products that you can put right up underneath your eyes? Hardly any.  So Urea products, I'm completely sold on. There was a lot in there, but I definitely wanted to show you guys what I would repurchase. So I wanna say thank you so much for tuning in today. If you did enjoy it, please give it that thumbs up that I always do ask for. I appreciate you guys spending some of your time with me. I know that your time is valuable, but thank you for supporting my channel and always supporting me too. I just really appreciate it.  Love you guys, bye-bye.


He obviously does not do as many Zoom calls as we do, although I can't believe he doesn't. Hi Tony.  We're watching him work. Hello. Hi. Hi. Have you unmuted? What happens now? I say things like, I welcome everybody and then I talk about how fabulous you are.  I mean, one of these little squares on my screen, I'm in the square next to yours. I know there are a lot of, there are a lot of little, it's like a little postage stamp. Just think of me as being everywhere. Hi, Jim. I go. It's like romper room. It is. Shall I begin with my intro and then we'll, we'll take it from there so we can. We can talk as much as we want. It's okay. Just, just believe that I'm here. Can you hear the sound of my voice? I do. It's so great to see you. All right. All right. So here we are. We, I'll do, do the little spiel for the intro of this show. We're watching work. I'm Susan Lee Parks. We've been doing this show for 11 years, mostly in the lobby of the public theater, although we do it all around the world. We've been supported by the public theater in this endeavor for all of those 11 years and recently how around a few years ago, how around came on to support our live streaming thing that we started doing a few years ago. And now both the public theater and how around have joined forces and they are supporting this endeavor. So we can do watch me work a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot. And what's so excited about watching me work. We have special guests and today we have a very, very, very special guest. It's Tony Kushner. Thank you so much for being here. We all know who Tony Kushner is, but I'm going to say I'm going to read his bio anyway. Tony Kushner is an American playwright author and screenwriter. I know this is where you get embarrassed. He received the Pulitzer prize for drama in 93 for his play Angels in America, of course, and then brilliantly adapted Angels in America for HBO. He also has co-authored many screenplays among them. The for the film Munich, which is brilliant. And he also wrote the screenplay for the 2012 film Lincoln, which was also brilliant and beautiful. Both films were critically acclaimed. I wasn't the only person who loved them. He received Academy Award nominations for both for best adapted screenplays. He has received the National Medal of Arts from President Barack Obama. So and, and, and he's, he's brilliant and loving and kind and supportive and especially in times of yeah, we love you Tony. What we're going to be doing today as we do every day, but especially when we have special guests, we are going to work together in whatever kind of work, whether it be writing work or whatever, we're going to work together and then we're going to take a few, uh, several minutes to talk with Tony about his writing and his work. And then we will open it up and Tony will take questions from you about your writing and your work. Okay. And just so everybody remembers, watch me work. You know, we like, we talk about our own work. We don't have time to talk specifically about something specific. We have written, but we do talk general questions about process and all that. If you have a question during the question time, Audrey is going to tell you how to get in touch. Go Audrey. Hey everybody. Um, when it comes to our question portion of the evening, all you have to do if you're inside of the zoom is click on the raise your hand button, likely in a participant tab at the bottom of your screen. If you're on a laptop or the top of your on an iPad and we'll call on you. Um, if you're watching on howlround.tv, you can tweet at us at at watch me work SLP with the hashtag howlround H-O-W-L-R-O-U-N-D and, or you can tweet at public theater and why or write to our Instagram. And that's all fabulous, fabulous. Okay. So I have my timer here. This beautiful thing. And I'm going to set it for 20 minutes and we're going to work and then we'll come back and collect up. Okay. I like your little ring you ding thing. Right. All right. Did everybody maybe get some work done or did you pretend really well? To make your mommy happy. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Those are not as if you have a smile. Okay. So we're going to, we're going to, I'm going to ask Tony a few questions about his work. His creative process, which he hopefully will answer because we all, we all love and adore you. And then we're going to turn it over and Tony's going to take you guys as questions. Okay. So the first question I have for Tony, if he wants to answer is what are you working on right now, man?  Or I've lost you. Yeah, I was mumbling. I mean, what, like, what are you working on right now? Like what were you writing? If any way you want to answer that, some of us are more private with what we're working on. So you can. Oh, I see. Okay. Well, sorry. I'm still trying to find you. But if you go to the scroll to the first page, she's in the upper left corner, I think. Right by you. I'm like. No, not on my screen. I'll wave my hair around. I'll find you. Well, right now, let's see. I mean, to be honest, what I was writing right now was. Oh, there you are. Hi, Susan. What I was writing for my 20 minutes was a, what I've been working on all day. I've been writing about Larry Kramer. Yeah. Yeah. It was, I had a very long and very complicated relationship. To Larry and. I'm just, I'm trying to put things in. In order, I guess. So it's a sad day. Yeah. And, but otherwise. I'm working on a bunch of different. Movies and TV things. And. I think maybe two plays. So I can, I can tell you what they are. But I don't know. If, if it will help you talk about them more specifically, you know what I mean? Some people, everyone's different. Well, I'll, I'll, if people want to ask about them I can answer them. I mean, they're just there. There's a, for some reason there, some of them started out as screenplays. I turned into limited series. Because I write very, very long. now at a point it seems like economically where it's kind of almost gotten easier to convince people to let you do a limited series on a streaming service than a theatrical release film. So at least at the moment, I'm pretending that they're all gonna be eight or nine hours long. I'm in various stages. One of them is something I've been working on about three years now that I'm trying to get finished. And I have another one that was a screenplay and I'm now actually I'm turning into a certified mini series about the kidnapping of a Jewish kid in 1858 in Italy that I wrote as a screenplay for Spielberg several years ago. And then various things have happened but now we're really moving towards making it into a mini series. So a lot of that's already written. And then I have this new thing that I'm starting on that's, I won't go too many specifics but it's in part about the big New York teacher strike in 1968, 69, which is an event that kind of transformed I think many features of the American political landscape. And I think I've always wanted to write about it and I think I found a way to do it. I'm writing a co-writing it with my friend, Antonia Lasky. It's my first attempt to really co-write something with somebody and then something new that I'm working on with Steven that I'm actually legally not allowed to say anything about, but it's exciting. It's something that we're just playing with while we wait to see if we're ever gonna be able to release West Side Story because it's finished. And it was supposed to be released in December and nobody knows. Congratulations. Oh, thanks, thanks. I think it's really, really good. And he's really filled with it and we don't know what to do now because when will people ever go back into rooms together? Right, right. An even scarier question for people in the theater. Yeah, yeah. We'll be working on a new play, I hope I am. Well, if you say you are, to my mind, you are. I'm drawing. Yes, yes, yes. I'll help you hold space. That's what we do here. We hold space for each other. So welcome to that. I've heard about it for years. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, it's what's happening. Yeah. I was frustrated because I thought, well, I should be writing, but what I really want to do is to watch you write. But it's not about watching me write. It's actually about you writing. I don't think I've ever seen you write. Yeah, well, it probably looks much like what you do. We bow our heads and pray for God's blessing. And do this. And do this. Yeah, but it occurred to me years ago that I had never seen other writers write either. I mean, you might pass someone in Starbucks, but where you can sit and watch like Glenn Gould play the piano or Richie Havens or Jimi Hendrix or whatever, you can see people you revere, do their thing. I've never really seen a writer write. So I thought, well, why don't I just do that? Yeah. I mean, it's interesting. It's like the tip of the iceberg. You're watching a kind of physical manifestation of some enormously complicated process, huge parts of which are essentially invisible. So it's, have you ever been like, if you've ever got interviewed by the BBC, and they're completely unembarrassed by asking you to do fake things? Like they'll say, why don't you pretend to be coming home? Or why don't you pretend to be cooking food? And they always say, why don't you pretend to write something? And so you have to sit there on your laptop. Anyway. Oh, that's cool. But my belief is that in, by, I mean, in this context anyway, by performing the tip of the iceberg as you call it, we open the door for the real thing. In this context. That's a very cool idea. I mean, that's the idea anyway. But it's about you. This is about you. So you open the door on West Side Story Watch. I'm glad you have. You've written and you write all kinds of beautiful things. You write beautiful essays. You write beautiful plays, beautiful screenplays, teleplays. And do you have a preference?  I don't have many essays anymore. I think I sort of decided a while back that I was an okay essayist, but not that I didn't know that anybody really needed me to do it. So I've sort of fallen out of the habit of doing that. I write introductions to plays now. I really, like I did the 60th anniversary of the Glassman Adjury. Or I did the introduction for August Wilson's Seven Guitars. And that I love are Mark Crowley's Boys in the Band. For Larry's plays, the destiny of me and the normal heart. I mean, I love playwrights and playwriting. And as you know, I mean, I love writing about your work. Work that really means a lot to me. So I do that. But I think that probably the thing, I don't like writing at all.  I think it's awful. I really should have become a nurse. But I think the thing that I feel most at home doing is writing plays. It's just that that feels most like the real thing.  Sorry, I'm not gonna let that slide. I mean, because- You've had this conversation before. You know- Because I know we've never had- There are many things that's unnerving about you. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's painful, but I don't hate it. But you, why do you hate?  You really do hate it. I do. Hey, maybe when I get into it, I don't hate it in the process, but I find a kind of great relief when I'm done for the day. And it's very hard for me to get myself to, I mean, I try all the usual tricks like the Hemingway trick.   So when you come back, you have something to write and you're not looking at a blank page with a wondering what the next idea is. You, you know, I do the- I've told many people this when they said they're stuck. You know, you just go back to what you've written, reread it and start correcting the typing and those mistakes, because as soon as you start moving words around, your writer self will get engaged.     And that's scary. I mean, that's a hard thing to do.   So sometimes I think about you sometimes, although I try very hard, I never think about writers. I really respect what I'm going to write because if I think about, you know, Venus or if I think about top dog, then I'll just say, I don't need to write because she wrote that.  Well, you can learn that you can, I've hired people to do that. And the problem is you've hired them.  Get to work. And you say you're fired and hang up the phone. And then you, so. But you wouldn't have to hire me. I just do it for free. Just do it for fun. I just do it. It's a deal. I really will, I will. Okay. Starting tomorrow, I'll get you. Yeah, I got your number. Okay. So writing is difficult and I agree. What about adapting?  You've adapted other folks, like West Side Story. How's that feel? What is that? It's a little bit like what I was saying about writing essays about other people's work. I really love digging into writing that I admire and kind of really getting to know it in an intimate way, memorizing, all the things that you do to just dig in and you discover things about. Well, when I did, I worked on fences with Denzel. And I mean, I had enormous admiration for August before that, but there were these sort of thunder clap revelations.  And I mean, there's no playwriting. Nobody's ever written a scene better than that. You start out thinking you're watching a celebration and there are these little clues that his wife is giving that something's wrong, even though she doesn't know yet exactly what's wrong. And you start out in this moment of what should be the most exciting, joyous moment in this guy's life, recent life anyway.  And it's in a 20 minute scene that just goes, it's breathtaking. So I love doing that kind of thing. I mean, the frustrating thing with fences is, I very timidly would suggest, what if we just add this line or what if we do this? And then Denzel would say, no, we're not going to do that. It's better. And it was just, it was unimprovable. So it really is basically, all we did was talk through where different locations might be because it's, you couldn't be all in the backyard like they like to play, but you couldn't touch it. What about angels? What about angels? I mean, that your own work. Every time I brought Mike Nichols a new thing that I had written that I was excited about, he said, that's really interesting. That's really good. Let's just go back to what was in the play. It's better. So we left it alone. When I did Mother Courage, which is a play that has a very special place in my own personal pantheon, including some plays by you, I wanted to do an American actable version of Mother Courage with lyrics that would fit Janine Tazori's score, but also lyrics that would fit the Paul Dessau score that was originally written for, which is incredibly unpleasant music, but pretty great. And that was all I really wanted to do. I think it's one of the greatest plays that were written. And I didn't, you know, there wasn't very much. I felt like I could, I didn't want to change anything. I just wanted to make people hear the play that I love so much. In English, in American stage English, when I did Pierre Cornet's The Illusion years ago, I mean, Cornet himself said, this play is a botch. It's terrible. Do whatever you want with it. And so I took him more at his word, although there were things in it that I, so it depends on what you're adapting. It's, West Side Story was great because it's an absolutely astonishing work of art. It's a masterpiece. I mean, I'm sure a lot like what you went through when you dug into Porgy and Bess, you know, these things that are of their time, but, you know, art transcend, I mean, art is always of its time. It's bound by history. It's bound by all the foibles and pitfalls of history. And yet, when great artists apply their imagination to circumstances, if they really work hard, certain fundamental truths are unearthed that we shouldn't be able to know about each other, but we are actually, I mean, that's one of the great joys of art is that it reminds us that we can know things about each other that we really, in a certain sense, have no right even to know. And I'm just, I'm, you know, what I loved about working on West Side Story was the way that it started is this idea of making a musical tragedy, which is very different than making a sad musical because Rodgers and Hammerstein had already done that, but they really meant to make a tragedy where the earth is scorched at the end. It is complete devastation. And then something new can be born from that. And then as they began to work on it, they, and they based it on Romeo and Juliet, and then they made this interesting sort of step. It was Bernstein and Lawrence, the two leftist people in the group who I think decided on this. The minute they decided it would be in part about a white gang and a Puerto Rican gang, they got rid of the Capulet Montague model. It didn't work anymore because who can, the only way anybody can remember who the Capulets are in the Montague is, is the Juliet Rimes of Capulet. Otherwise, they're the same people. That's part of the horror of what's going on around Romeo and Juliet is they're killing each other for literally, they don't even know what the reasons are. They're just doing it. But the minute these guys who were good left, liberal, Democrat, Upper West Siders, decided that they were gonna write about Puerto Ricans, the model stopped working for them. And that's what produced West Side Story is the struggle to try and adhere to Shakespeare while also talking about a race that they had a horse in. They really, of course, they cared about the way that new arrivals to America were treated. And they cared about bigotry and racism and they failed in some ways and succeeded in other ways. But that struggle is, I feel like that's also true in Porgy and Bess. And so grappling with that was thrilling.  And so I'm excited about it. I'm really excited about it.  I can't wait. I wonder just because you talk about having faith and the world today, I mean, some of the things that some of us are noticing if we can bring ourselves to watch the news, they might dim our faith. What do you have anything to say about that? Like what might the writer's role or what might a writer's role be in times like these? COVID aside, actually just to put that a little bit aside but have any? Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I can do the COVID aside thing because it's, I mean, because I've spent the day talking about and thinking about Larry, I mean, Larry did one thing that almost nobody ever does. It's to write a great play that actually galvanizes people immediately into action. I mean, I've never understood how it was possible to write the normal heart at the moment in time that he wrote it. And there are works like that that appear periodically but they're very rare that function both polemically and on the sort of indirect, deeper, more complicated ways that art can function. I mean, I think that we, you know, I've been saying for years, I don't think that art is activism. I think you have to be an activist and an artist. I think that's not an easy thing to do but it's also not easy to be a school teacher and an activist or a nurse and an actor.  I mean, barely at this point, but not entirely barely. I mean, there's still, look what just happened in Florida with that district. I'm always nervous now to say that because somebody's gonna say, oh yeah, but they just, you know, the clan just burned the courthouse.  Right, right. You're always waiting for the new little bit of ground to be lost. But I feel like we're at a point now where, I mean, I guess I have two answers. One is, I've said this before, but one of my favorite poets is Anna Akmatava and one of my favorite poems is Requiem and the way that it begins when she's talking about standing in line outside of, I think it's Ljubljanka prison, waiting for news about her husband and son who had been arrested by the Cheka and she's for the NKVD, I guess, and she's with all these other people who have been waiting in Moscow winter for months and they don't know whether they're gonna get any news about what's happened to their loved ones or they're just gonna stand their day after day starving and freezing or they may even get arrested themselves just for the crime of standing on the line.  And she says, yes, I am. And the woman says, can you describe this? And Akmatava says, thanks for a minute. And then says, yes, I can do that. And that's sort of, that's where Requiem comes from and I think in a way, that's all we have to do is try and dig for the truth and find something that feels like a truth, worth believing in, worth fighting for something that's recognizably true among human beings. And I think we shouldn't abandon the terrifying power of theater, which is an indirect power that doesn't, I don't think that our job as theater artists is to get people marching. We can have a hope.  I think you have a, I don't wanna quote you that you've always had a certain sense of, I mean, I had the same conversation with Maria Irene with the very, very great Maria Irene Fornes years ago. I guess I take a certain, my confusion is an important thing to me, my uncertainty. I live in it, I write from it. I think sometimes I think maybe to a greater degree than you do, although for some mysterious reason that I'll never understand your plays are as infinitely complicated as any plays ever. So it's not that you lecture people, but I think that you have a sense of yourself as a voice that people need to listen to as I think absolutely you are. I don't know, I feel a little like comfortable with the idea that I'm, you know, I throw things out there and I've said this a billion times, but for me, it's the model of the sleeper in the dream. I'll show you things that I think you ought to see. It's up to you what happens to them. And then maybe we're the same now. I don't know, I'm sort of, this has been one of those days when I've been talking too much, so I can't shut up. So I'll stop, but you know what I mean? It's a, I don't know, ask me something.   So, you know, that's what you do. And I love when you talk a lot. So. When we were working on Brightroom called Day. Right. Oscar was giving notes to the cast and I remember this beautiful line from Auden. It's from his gorgeous poem that he wrote when William Butler Yates died. But there's one couplet. He says, he talks about Yates dying and Yates died in a terrible moment in 1939 when the whole world was, you know, so first Yates describes, this is the last section of the poem and it's in rhyme couplets and he describes the terrible time and then he says, you know, follow poet, follow right to the bottom of the night. And he sort of says, this is what poetry can do. And one of the things that he says it can do, he says, sing of human unsuccessful in a rapture of distress. You know, that's kind of great. So that's what we do. And I think, you know, right now, anybody who has three brain cells that are working we all have to be ready to put everything we're doing aside. We should really have to start now and make sure that we get out the vote in November and make sure that the countless ways this pack of hobgoblins and, you know, well, I don't even know what to, I mean, the vowed intention of the Republican Party is to disenfranchise millions of Americans to make sure they can't vote. And we have to fight that and we've got to get this creature out of the White House.  We have to be crazy. People did that with Hillary. One thing we share is a great rage for people who said that about her. But now we've seen what this is, what it looks like when 40 years of hatred for government is now incarnated in the Oval Office.    I think we have to like, you know, just find the people who know how to get people to polls, to polling places and get absentee ballots and, you know, get Biden elected. I mean, that's it. It's that boring and so anyway. We love you. We love you. You want to take a few questions from our, yeah, really, from our group here. Audrey, why don't you call on a couple of people who have questions about their work or Tony's work or anything? Who cares? All right, great. We got about five minutes. I'm going to go to Lorelai. Lorelai, are you with us? Hi, can you hear me? Yes. Okay, cool. Tony, I wrote, this is for you because I also struggle with length in my writing. My script right now stands, my draft right now stands at 138 pages and it's a screenplay. So it's much, much, much too long. And I still have, like I've gotten feedback from trusted colleagues who say, you know, valid feedback who say, you know, I need to add a few things, but right now I see the 138 becoming even longer and I have no idea how to cut it down. So I was wondering if you have advice on, are you done with, did you finish your first draft? Yeah. Yeah, it's just the feedback is, I need to add a few more things to enrich a couple of characters, but the plot is done, the script is done. It's just, I have to tweak a few things. Ultimately that.  Susan, Lorelai, I don't know about you, but I don't find it possible to cut and write at the same time. I feel like you have to give yourself permission to just, you know, get it out there. And there are obvious drawbacks you can wind up with a seven and a half hour long play. I mean, it can be a problem, but I think that, you know, a lot of, I mean, Melville is one of my favorite writers. A lot of what's great is discursive, is digressive. And I think it's a mistake to be too much with your blinders on. I think you get to the point where you feel like you've gotten down something that feels like the story you want to tell. And then it'll start to tell you, it'll start to talk back to you and say, I don't need this. This is not, you know, you have to develop an instinct. I, you know, I think you should only listen to a few people and they should be people you know really, really well.  Develop a working relationship with one or two people. My relationship with Oscar is essential to me in that regard. I always need to know what he thinks. And then sometimes I do what he says and sometimes I don't. But it, but I've been in constant conversation with him for 30 something years. And it's not, and when you find those kindred spirits they're few and far between, you know, when you hang on to them. But I think, you know, you're asking the wrong person. You should ask Samuel Beckett. But I, to me, 138 page screenplay is nothing. I mean, the screenplay for Lincoln was 500 pages. The screenplay for West Side Story was 240 something pages. And I didn't add a song.  Because I mean, all of writing is rewriting, right? All of writing is reading. The whole point of writing is you put it down in paper and then you can look at it and then you have a relationship with what's going on in your head that you don't have if you're just thinking. That's the praxis. That's the combination of idea and action. So you have to have it out on the table to go, oh my God, why did I think I needed this? What is this? And then also give yourself time to let it gestate so that if you mean so much of what's good, I think gets ruined, either people deciding that there's an absolute page limit or by people deciding that something has to be done within six weeks or three months. It has to be done when it's done. And you have to fight for that. I think you have to fight for that. This is a good way of starving to death, but unless you're lucky, but I think it's essential. I think that those are things that writers really need to protect within themselves. And people like long things. People like stories that you plunge into and then you don't come out for a long time. I don't have this craze for plays that last an hour and 10 minutes. I mean, I've seen some wonderful plays like that, but I've also seen a lot of things that feel like a first act. I mean, it's no sin. Theater isn't easy, especially if it's theater. You can write as long as you want for television or film because they are gonna watch it on their iPhones anyway and they can watch it like you read a long book. I mean, nobody sits down and reads middle march from start to finish. You pick it up and put it down. You can now do that with the films that you're writing because that's what the digital revolution has given us. But with plays, going to an hour and a half play is not easier than going to a six hour play. Theater is as difficult to go to as writing is. It's supposed to be difficult. It's scary. It's upsetting. It's alive. Who wants to, it's much easier to stay home and watch RuPaul's Drag Race.  So theater is hard work and audiences, the experience of being pulled into deep into something where you actually believe that you're going to learn something true or be shown something that you're afraid to look at except in the dark and the company of a number of other people, that's what we go for. So let it be what it needs to be. Great, thank you. It's good to know that you don't think that's too long because I don't either but yeah, thank you. Well, the act is to talk faster. That's true. Also, I'm very, my stage direction sort of verge on Tennessee Williams in length. So presumably when it reaches the desk of a producer or a director, it would be pared down. So one thing quick about stage, I mean, for film, it's always weird to call them stage directions, actions, whatever you think it's not dialogue. It's like really important to make those long because you are talking to the director and every film I've made, I've made all of my movies with Spielberg except for Angels with Mike. And I've been on the set talking Steven Zeer off the whole time but there are times when I've removed things from the description of a scene just to get the page length down and then films it. And I think, God damn it, why didn't I leave that in? Because that's the, I'm talking to him. In terms of playwriting, I think stage directions are a really interesting thing because sometimes huge, long-stage, novelist stage directions are great. But I think that one of the great joys of writing a play is you're doing two things at the same time. You're writing a score for a kinetic event. You're also writing something that is read. It's a piece of literature that will be read because of Shakespeare and those people, people will actually read plays from time to time. And I mean, you can't do anything better than looking at Susan Laurie's plays because there is a way in which vast amounts of stage direction can slow down for a reader the dramatic action to the point where the experience of watching, of reading the play is really torn away. You can't have the experience of velocity that's so much a part of being on stage if they're like long, Neil does that. Sometimes they're always beautiful and really interesting to look at, but there's a little bit too much of them and you kind of want him to lay off a little bit. Miller, Williams, August Wilson are great at making the reading experience somewhat like the experience of watching the thing on stage. You always want your reader to wish that they could see it on stage and your audience to wish they could be at home reading it. And Susan Laurie, you all know her plays, but those things like a pause, a pause, or a spell, a spell, those are amazing and because they make you ask questions about what would the actor do at this moment with this and get a sense of both interpretive freedom and of an incredibly precise imagining that goes all the way through the dialogue into the stage direction. So I just think those things are enormously important and unique. You have to make the formatting and the punctuation and the rhythm of the play script really absolutely yours. Just never hand play scripts to actors in rehearsal with typos in them because they're looking for a way to not believe you and if it looks like you can't spell or you make sloppy mistakes, they're gonna think, they don't really know what they're doing and they'll start making up stuff and you don't want that. You feel like having one more question, tell me, you feel like taking forever time but you want to do one more? Yeah, yeah. It's so great hearing you talk. All right, we're gonna go to Madison.  I'm gone, hi. Hi. I'll try to make this on the quicker side but thank you both so, so much for this opportunity. I'm a student and aspiring playwrights are here and you talk about how much you love being a playwright has been really amazing. I'm really new at this so my question is after making the progress and mistakes and accomplishments and everything that you have in your career, is there any advice that you give someone like me that you can now see has helped you get where you are now that you've gone through the process of finding how you work in the industry and things like that? I apologize if that's a little too vague but I'll move for as broad as I can.  There is no, it's one of the few art forms that has almost no geniuses who died in obscurity because you can't write them if you don't get them in front of an audience that you won't know how to do it unless you do it. So your great job is to write them but also to make sure that they find them. It's hard to say this now when we're all locked in our apartments but as soon as we're not or I guess you do Zoom theater all the way. I don't know what that, anyway. But I think that that matters and you know, be true to yourself on some level. I mean, I just blathered on for 40 minutes about feeling that you're sort of uncomfortable with the idea that theater is power and that you have an ambivalent relationship to power, I think in, I mean, everybody should always have an ambivalent relationship to power.  I mean, you know, but I think you have to, I mean, Susan Laurie was saying, you know, I think what you were saying, Susan Laurie, that you're sort of pretending to write always, you're the person, the deep inside of you is the real you or one of the real yous and it's making this hand move across the page and it's like, look at me, I'm riding, I'm riding a bicycle or I'm riding a play.   So the great preachers, we all hold hands together and we walk together into the dark. So that's what you're trying to do. And I think for that purpose, believe that your audience loves you and cares about the same things you care about because if you're writing for a hostile audience or you're writing for an audience that doesn't know the thing, that isn't as smart as you or doesn't know the things you know, you'll start to write down to them and it'll get boring very quickly because it won't be a play, it'll be a lecture. You know, scare yourself is important. I mean, one thing I love about working with Steven Spielberg is he's enormously wealthy. He's one of the most successful, if not the most successful film director and at least in terms of commercial success in all of history and he's, you know, considered by anybody who knows anything about film to be a pretty great artist, a genuinely great artist.  So we're making a movie about Lincoln or making a movie about Munich, which we got, you know, it's a lot of work. He knows somewhere that as comfortable as he's earned the right to be, he wants to be scared or he's not making something worth making.  It has to be a kind of, you know, you have to dig really deep and it has to really hurt on some level and it has to cost. The audience is gonna pay for that.  You know, Breck would hate me for saying that, but it's true on some level. It all goes back to the mysteries and we're the thing that they see bleeding and bellowing and horror so that they don't have to. And it'll give them a chance to guess at what that might be like.   And then, and that's the nice thing about it is you don't have to do it for 19 hours a day. And, you know, so there are rewards and compensations. Bleed and bellow. Bleed and bellows is a merge. We love you. We love you. You should, the chat lights up saying, oh, please ask him back. We love Tony Christian. Can I just ask? So is this group fairly consistent from meeting to meeting or is it? We have been full. I'm here, Audrey's here. You know, we've got some people who have come to pretty much every incarnation of this for the past 11 years, like Carol, like there's Rebecca in here, Jim comes often, and Julian comes, you know, but also it, what I promised myself when I started is that regardless of who showed up, I would show up. And that for me, the act of showing up is the offering is the act of faith that I try to, that I share or encourage and receive from everybody else who shows up. We would love to have you show up again in this capacity to come and talk with us about, again, about your work, about your creative process or anything you wanna, brother, you are an inspiration, a joy. Well, honey, you know, anything you've ever asked me to do, I'll do it.  Good luck, everybody, good luck with your work and stay safe and- Thank you. Watch your hands, yeah, we love you. Everybody ready to vote? Everybody ready to vote, we love you. Audrey, tell us about tomorrow. And so tomorrow, if you wanna sign up to be in the class, we will be having sign-ups online until 3 p.m. Eastern and I'll send you the link between 3 and 4 30 p.m. Eastern if you wanna be in the Zoom, thank you for- Thank you guys, what a great session today. Thank you, thank you, Audrey. Thanks everybody. Thanks again, Tony Kushner for being a very special guest. We love you guys, see you tomorrow.


Hey everybody, welcome back to my Star Wars channel. Today, we're doing part two of Building Boba Fett. Hey, welcome back Star Wars fan. If you missed it last time, I did episode one of Building Boba Fett. It's always been my dream, my goal, to have a complete, as close to screen accurate as possible, Boba Fett costume, not going for a complete screen accuracy, not going for 501st, going for I want to look like Boba Fett and have fun. That's the goal. I want to look like Boba Fett to the average person and I want to enjoy myself. So that's that's what we're doing and I've always known it was going to be expensive. I always knew it was going to take some time, slow going, but maybe a couple months back, I just decided, you know, if I don't start, I'm never going to finish, right? You just, I just got to put one foot in front of the other and just start. So I decided to start with all the soft parts, soft parts, meaning flight suit, pockets, belts, shoes, spats, gloves, things like that. So that's what I've been doing, accumulating all of that. And I'm super, super close to finishing gloves. I think are the next purchase I need to make. I do have some gloves that I show in the video. They're just not the right ones. My brother sent me gloves. They weren't the right ones. So I don't know if he has the right ones and I just need to exchange them or how that's going to work. I'll talk to him about it. So in the first video I did, I put on a lot of the soft parts in this, in this video today in today's, I'm going to put a few more soft parts on. So we're talking about belts, wookie braids, things like that, the cape. We'll show you all of that. So I'll put all of that on and then I guess we'll go from there. All right, let's go. All right, here we go. Round two, dressed in the same flight suit that I was wearing from part one. And the flight suit, by the way, I got on Etsy from Krypton Top and they sent me some other soft parts as well, like these pockets. I don't know if they go on the left or I got to figure out which one's left and right. What's the way to know? I need to figure out which side the white one goes on and which side the green one goes on. I've seen some of the other guys in their costumes. They seem to put like a foam block. Like there looks like there's a foam pad that shaped like a square inside them. So I got to figure that out. Plus I think they do that with the tops of the thighs as well. This is the ammo belt. It was made by Bat Ninja. And so it's supposed to be pretty close to screen accurate. I think I got to tuck all the pockets towards the front like that. Is that the right way to wear it? Or I probably need to wear it higher, right? It needs to be a little higher. And I probably need to lose some weight. And here's the honor sash. This is an actual horse saddle. It probably needs to be untwisted and laid flat. How do you guys get it to be like all the same direction? I've seen some people they've got theirs like perfectly. I had to have my wife help me put both on but I know that is not good. Well, yeah. The honor sash needs to be a little bit flatter. I think it needs just to be more visual. And so then we have the wookie braids. These were made by somebody named Julie. If somebody else out there knows like her screen name or the store name that she goes by on Dented Helmet, I would love to give her credit. They are real horse hair in Sinu. Sinu, yeah. They're accurate.  Either that or get a snap I think would work better. And so this is the cape. I did not use the cape from Krypton Top. This is an actual piece of fabric that is just like the movie. So my brother was able to source this. So this is a found item. I'm going to have to weather it up. He's already drawn on the pattern for how I'm supposed to tear it and rip it all up. So that'll be pretty easy. And then I just need to weather it, right? Make it look, make it look all dirty. Of course, I got to try the helmet on because, you know, got to got it. Well, wait, I don't have gloves yet. I should put the, yeah, put the gloves on. These aren't the right gloves. I've said that before. I know they're not the right gloves. So we'll put the gloves on and we'll put the helmet on. And so, yeah, these are my soft parts. What do you think? How, what do I need to do next? Let's get the comment section going. All right, Boba Fett. All right, so that was it. And since recording that, since recording that, I was, I had so much fun and I was so encouraged. I just went out and purchased my shoes and my shin tools. So I now have boots, or I don't have them yet. I'm waiting for them in the mail, but I bought my caboots shoes and got shin tools, I think from Manowar Studios. They're not dressed up.  So I'll be doing tutorials on how to paint them and get them ready as well. So from the shin down, I have everything. I can't say from the knees down I have everything because I don't have knee armor. I have the silver, what are they? Missile things that go in the knees, but I have the knee darts. I have those, but I don't have the actual yellow knee pads. And so I can't really say from the knees down I'm done. I'll just say from the shins down I have everything purchased. So oh, and I'll have to do a tutorial on how to put the metal brackets on the front of the shoes. So if there's anybody watching this that's built BobaFett before, or if you got any tips and tricks or tutorials about how to A, weather the shoes, B, paint the shin tools, C, put the metal brackets on the front of the shoes. I would love to see any notes you have or people you followed before that it's done those because I'll be looking for tutorials for all of that soon. And then I think after this, like I said, I got to buy the gloves. And I think the, I think the rifle is up next. I think the rifle is going to be one of my next purchases. So thanks for watching. May the force be with you. I'll see you next time. Bye.


the better you treat others the better you treat yourself the better you treat the world and the planet and animals and plants and people and all the things you will see that in return and no one i'm sorry to say no one can do it for you it's only that when you decide to change and you decide to truly focus on yourself that's when real genuine lasting change in your life will occur


And welcome back everyone to the Independent Investor Channel for a very unique opportunity, a panel discussion and reaction on the webinar that was hosted by Upper Management for Aduro Clean Technology. We've got a group here of who's who in our close network of those who closely follow the story as we close out 2023 and enter into 2024. Very exciting times. Joining us here is Penny Queen and I'd like to, without further ado, turn it over to her to get her natural reaction to many of the takeaways that a lot of us were able to take away from the webinar earlier on this week. Penny, welcome to the channel. Merry Christmas to y'all. Kick it over to you. Merry Christmas. You know, it was just further confirmation. I think anybody who's following Aduro closely, which I believe most of the retail investors are, I don't think people are investing in Aduro the way they invest in other stocks. It's not random. They're doing research. They're following the company. So I think for everyone that watched, it was confirmation of everything we've seen throughout the year. What they say they're going to do, they do. They do it at the speed that they say they're going to do it. And everything is always better than described. So the big thing for me, as they were talking about their progress through Shell, Mary, I had to steal your line that they have failed to fail. I've talked to people within people that were with the Game Changer program before and they confirmed my suspicions that it is set up as a gauntlet, that those first few stages are very difficult and not a lot of technology makes it through. So earlier in the year when we had the update that they, you know, going on to phase four, that was really big for me because, you know, the fact that they're allowing Aduro to use the name really, you know, to talk openly about that is massive. The new customers, the client engagement program, every time there's announcement that they're adding someone, it is someone big. And they're being vague as they have to be because in, you know, in the small cap, how even in the large cap in the venture capital world, the names are very important. And it's something that the companies, the bigger companies trade with and having one allow you to use the name is so big. But to know that the other companies involved are multi-billion dollar companies, it really doesn't take a lot of work to narrow it down and have your list of suspects. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna not put out who I think those companies are, but I think I've narrowed it down to about six. And, you know, it's, it's pretty, I think if anybody really looks at the facts they have, they'll, they'll get, they'll narrow their suspicions down too. So I'll just say overall, it was a great confirmation. What I know about the company is that the technology is solid. We're hearing more and more, you know, when you hear from Eric Appleman, you know, that it's better than he thought it was. And it was enough for him to leave his very, very solid and secure job. I am just excited that I, that we as investors are having access to what, what truly is a venture venture capital opportunity here. I mean, it's not, I'm not looking for just a double here. So there we go. That's, that's my review. Excellent. Mariusz, what was your initial reaction on some of the wave tops that were provided in the webinar this week? Well, for me, when I was listening to it, I actually texted Yazan while the webinar was going on. And I just said, Eric is amazing.  It's just, it's just unreal. But I do want to talk a little bit about, you know, the sentiment and a little bit about the stock price, because Aduro stock price has performed quite well in this environment in comparison to other micro cap or small cap stocks. And because the other stocks have been absolutely decimated, 80, 90% down, that impacts Aduro, because even if people believe in the story, even if people want to get shares, they have been so decimated that they're out of liquidity. And that's what I see over and over and over. Yeah, I like the story. I like what they're doing. I'm a little skeptical, but I'm just out of money. If I may just interject here, I think to your point, Mariusz, what I've seen is literally the fact, and this is not me, like I've shared with you and Penny and Ryan, different videos by Canakord and, you know, the bigger kind of players in the micro to mid cap space. And you will see that all of them have said we have not witnessed eight or nine subsequent quarters, where we see drawdown after drawdown, these bankers and these brokers are broken. I know for a fact that, for example, Canakord had to lay off 70 people this year. This shows you how tough it's been in this market. So what has happened is, as you're saying, Mariusz, I think for the last two years, a lot of people got decimated. And naturally, what happens is, when they see a winner that they have, what they do is they're like, Okay, well, I want to hedge my bet. So they participated in the 93 centuries, they're going to sell, you know, if they're up 20, 30%, they probably don't even follow what the lure is doing.  We've, you know, we have done some performance for you. And that unfortunately hurts a stock like Aduro. But it's very temporary. The other thing that comes a lot again to the share prices, guys, look, there's, you know, a few mini shares between warrants and options. I think my count is about 6 million, according to the last financials that they had that are in the money. Now, the 50 cent ones, they have till 2025, the $1 ones, they have till April. So the way that I look at it, it's an opportunity. If it's 6 million shares roughly in total, it's an opportunity for the people that are now able to come in and buy in at these levels. If that was not there, you would have paid way more. That's the reality.  I've covered this so many times when we talked. I recall when I mentioned two marriage reports, there is kind of a certain requirement to certain market gap that allows institutions to come in. And that's just a matter of sizing. So imagine if you are an institution and you want to buy, you know, if you have $400 or $500 million under management and you want to buy 1% of the portfolio in Aduro, you cannot buy $4 or $5 million worth of Aduro in the open market. You can't. You're going to pay up significantly. So what they do is, they wait for a certain market gap, a certain liquidity or a certain some of them, they say, we want you on NASDAQ because it's way more liquid. So it gives us an opportunity to be ahead of the curve. I did share with you guys earlier this morning an article on Forbes talking about the theme. And this is, to me, to go back to my, you know, all throughout 10, 15 years of investing, I always think if you're ahead of the curve and you find the themes, a lot of your mistakes or a lot of the company's mistakes can be forgiven. So if you were in any telehealth stock during COVID, you had a lot of upside, which we did. I had a couple of those and they did significantly well. If you were in, mind you, the cannabis play in the early sixteenths, you had a lot of room to succeed because no matter what they do, the theme worked. This year, if you were in AI, you know, it gives you a lot of leg room. Now, with Aduro, we have a theme that the big boys are talking about. We're not talking about, you know, the three of us here, we're talking about the who's who are basically saying that this is a theme that we want to invest in. And I think, Ryan, you pointed out that there's planned to invest up to $100 billion into recycling by the, you know, by the majors. Now, do I want to wait till the point where this becomes mainstream and there is an ATF and there is no, you want to be ahead of the curve? And the other thing is, do I want to be ahead of the curve with already, you know, like a company that has a billion dollar market gap? Realistically, no. I mean, we want to have the biggest alpha. And to catch the biggest alpha, we have to accept this volatility. We have to accept that, you know, there might be a raise in 2024. So what? If they add another 5 million shares, that's okay. But the reality is you're gonna be able to make that in multiples. And I truly believe in it once this thing is, once we get the tape on microcaps again, and I believe we will in the next, you know, called 12 plus months. But I also think the theme becomes very important because right now it's not a crowded theme, meaning you don't have many public companies that have a unique technology, that have proven technology.  These are very unique propositions. And I think people should look at the other side of the trade, not just why is, you know, someone selling here. You should look at it, okay, well, I've got an opportunity and it could be a limited time opportunity because we don't know once these shares, the warrants are out. You know, imagine this, like, let's argue for a minute. And I don't know. But for a minute, let's say that one of these four multi-billion companies or the 20 companies that are that Eric mentioned that are highly interested. Imagine if one of these guys comes in and says, you know what, we are going to sign a partnership or we're going to do a license deal, even though it's earlier, they could do that because these bigger guys, they to them throwing few hundred, few million, but is a small way to kind of for them to be ahead of the curve and to lock in, you know, to lock in themselves at an earlier or better terms than the others. So do you want to wait to play this game of like, I might game the entry? I don't think you can because you can't build enough size in the stock anyway, doing that. I just like I'm being honest. I don't know if you can buy today a few hundred thousand shares without impacting the stock. I'll stop here and hear what those were. Mary, just give me one sec to interject here. I think it's important for viewers to understand and Yuzan, you hit the macro just perfectly, but Chair Powell just said it on the last Fed meeting when it kind of released a little bit of euphoria into the market, signaling where we're going to go in 2024, but secretively and nobody is talking about the emergence of the Russell 2000. It's now matched the returns of the NASDAQ just here in 2023 and it's made it up in the last few weeks. So I think we need to be very, very careful in referring to a microcap and a small cap space that over the last couple of years has been quite frankly discarded. That has shifted and I reserve the right to be wrong on this a little bit, but it's fair to acknowledge a little bit of positive breath in the space that over the last 24 months to say has really been discarded. Mary Yuzan? I wanted to go back to one piece that Eric Oppelman said and it kind of ties back with what Yuzan was saying. He was talking about most of the companies using 100-year-old technology and just improving it a little bit and he was talking about there are 70 companies that are all doing the same thing and there's one aduro that has unique technology with a unique solution. It's one thing if this statement came from offer. He's been doing this for some, this is a guy that like Espen he said left a stable job, was skeptical, thought that they were going to fail, didn't think he was going to work, telling us that he's aware of all the technologies out there because the place that he worked at Brightland that's what they do. That was their job to know all the players and what all the players have to offer and he came out and says 70 technologies are out there. We are the best and there's nobody that comes even close to us, nobody and we're sitting at a 60 million market cap on a technology that solves a worldwide problem. It's truly unbelievable. Penny? We talk about the stock price a lot and I know that everybody here is watching it pretty consistently. I'm looking, I want to see what the volume is like, I want to see, I want the stock to be where it deserves to be. Maybe I'm a little bit greedy because I do not mind this slow approach because every time the company proves a little more, I know that we are going to move up and we're going to have a new bottom. It's going to happen every time but in between that space, a big company can't come in and pick up five million shares. Well, a retail investor also can't come in and pick up everything they want all at once without bumping the price up but every day you can pick away at it. I doubt there's anybody here in this virtual room that hasn't increased their holdings this year. As much as I want the company to be recognized for just how good and how different it is, if it takes the world a little while longer to wake up, that's okay with me. What would we have three ratecups coming? Something like that? Okay. This space is going to get more active. There's going to be more eyes on it. Go ahead, take your time. I'll just stack my shares. That's fine but when we talk about how different it is, this is the science of it that enthralled me the first time. I would say there were two things that really got me in. One, understanding with the background as a firefighter, pyrolysis, you know, that was, I got it. When they explained to me how they were basically taking these molecules apart in this very accurate way, leaving much longer, more useful, more valuable chains, it made perfect sense but that it's lower heat, it's lower pressure, and massively higher yield. If I were a Dura, I would be pounding the table on that. I appreciate that they are a lot of engineers and that is not their way but it also brings me to the other part that I appreciate maybe even more about the company because we all invest in the small cap space so we've all been burned. We've all seen companies fail to execute. We've all seen them flat out lie. So to have a company that integrates their, they don't earn shares except for when they are doing what they said they would and they laid it all out before they even went public. They said, this is what we're going to do. This is when we're going to get our ownership. You don't see them selling shares. You see them, you know, exercising options. So that to me is all the confirmation I need and watching the team grow with who's being added. So I cannot wait for the next name drop. That's what I'm really waiting for but I'm going to keep buying all the way. Yeah, I want to, I mean, this is a great segue to something I wanted to go back to because we keep getting, I think, Mariusz, Benny, Ryan, everyone comes to, people say, well, we don't know for 100% sure that the technology works and I'm like, really? You don't know after, you know, they passed the midpoint of a game changer or shell and they said, as you guys mentioned, like they said clearly the point of the midpoint was to force it as much as possible to fail and to fail to fail. Then Eric Appelman, two years watching it from outside, then said, I haven't seen anything similar to Mariusz's point, 70 other technologies and they keep, they beat them by miles, not even closely. And again, I want to remind your audience, guys, we're talking about technologies that are obvious are billion-dollar companies and they're failing and yet people are buying their shares because they believe, I'm going to say the idea that the theme is going to have a significant impact. So they're going to see a big alpha on their investment. So that's something to be aware of. But the other thing is the concept that when you have a company, a multi-billion-dollar company, like let's ourselves, as Eric said, put yourself in the customer shoes. If you're a multi-billion-dollar company and you started testing with Aduro, if you're not seeing something significant, why go 4.5x your budget on testing? Why? I don't know why would anyone come and say, you know what, I don't like the results, but I'm just going to go 5.5x my spend just to see maybe twigs or other feedstock. The reality is the following. That article I mentioned maybe, Ryan, if you can at the end, just include it at the bottom. The article by Forbes was saying that one of the biggest challenges that the recycling industry faces is that they're all competing for the same feedstock, which results in that same feedstock becoming more expensive, resulting in recycling companies having shrinkage in margin. Aduro doesn't need that. Aduro is in this nice space where they'd love to take all that feedstock that no one wants and they can handle. Contaminated, mixed waste plastic, things like that. The issue is that the others, the pure cycles, the AGLX and the other 70 technologies, they need the cream of the crop. They need the sub 20% feedstock. That's what their technology can work on. I think this is a lot of like, it gives us a lot of room. As I said, one of the biggest things in investing early is that you want to have so much room for downside protection. Well, we have so much room for downside protection. Let me also use what Errehead said. Errehead flatouts started by $3 to $5 and then they moved it to $380 to $560 or something like that, 10 in 12 months. That's 270 to 400% on, if you have the right size, that's significant return. But they also mentioned $100 million at that point. That was like a few months back in IP. We're not even 100 million market cap right now. We're 77. It is mind boggling how much scrutiny there is because exactly what Penny mentioned. A lot of people got burnt on other names, so they are putting significant rigors. I appreciate, Ryan, you being very balanced in the way that you talk about technology, but at the same time, we can't hide from the facts in front of us. The fact shows us that no matter how we slice this thing, it's undervalued.  Sure. We can't tell you what to do, and we're not financial advisors and the same story. We own shares, so we're biased and all that commentary that we have to say. But having said that, the opportunity is there for the taking, and it may or may not exist at these levels for long. It's up to people to act or not. I will say that on the topic of whether the technology works, I will tell you whether it will work for people. When the stock is over $3, the technology will start working. You're not wrong. I think if FOMO hits in the stock and the stock is actually trading, as you said, $3 or more, suddenly everyone wants it, and that's when you're going to get a crowded trade on this thing. So long as they continue executing, there's going to be a point where this is going to be a crowded trade. But the questions always do want to wait for that crowded trade to happen, or they're going to be early. And I know that early until, as Ryan was saying, until eight weeks ago, we didn't have a breadth that supports being early in small caps. Now, small caps in the U.S. is like $2 billion plus in microcaps. So they're starting to get kind of a pulse. Microcaps will be next. And I think I'm of the view that we will start seeing that in the next 12 months, so long as they continue executing. But I don't see a reason why not. You don't see an insider putting $600,000 of their own money after 13 years of being in the ring. Again, you don't see a CFO putting $150,000 in exercising warrants when the stock was 90 cents. Just because, you know, they are first-hand people that are seeing way more things than we are. And as I was told many times in life, there are so many reasons for insiders to sell, there's one reason to buy.  So that's also another confirmation. A lot of the takeaways I took from the webinar. And again, I want to invite the viewers, if you did not have a chance to review that webinar, our closest and easiest access to it is to follow Aduro Clean Technologies on Twitter. I find that to be the easiest access to information. But for me, I really appreciated the further definition of the customer engagement program and the three tiers of potential revenues. Ofer spoke about, you know, the initial time frames of three to six months for the initials. You know, we talked about the technology working. We've talked about the stock price. But I think their execution along what was disclosed, the five majors as well as 20 additional interested parties that Aduro holds dossiers on, is going to be really an area of focus for me to see how they execute along this plan and how they graduate, you know, your lower tier customers or your minor needs as Eric so elegantly explained. We didn't have color on that prior to how they were really going to put numbers to that customer engagement program. And I really appreciated that, guys. But I tell you, when I looked at that timeframe and saw 2027, just to bring it home, $3.50 is not going to move the needle for me. I've got a first look at $10 on this thing. And if they can circumvent being bought out, this technology, everything I've looked at and all of the attestation by upper management, $3.80 is not going to move the needle. I think inevitably we will be there. But if something that I was able to take away from the webinar and just keep it a little bit neutral and not get emotional is that Aduro has doubled down on this, you know, three-year time horizon to make sure they're provided ample time to glean the data off of R2, alluding to those renderings going into R3, maybe as early as the back up of this year, but probably early 2025. And I just want to encourage investors really to look at this the way I do as a value play. I don't look at this as a penny stock. This is a value company. And the only way to invest in this is ultra long. And not to suggest you can't make money in the short, but an ultra long with a first look for me at $10 is where I'm at. You'll back, Benny. You brought up something that I think is really important. You said as long as I can avoid being taken out, somebody else buying them, well, look how far they've come and how much they've protected ownership. Every time they do a raise, it is reasonable. It's exactly the amount they need. So they're being good to shareholders.  They are keeping it as tight as possible. And that's because they clearly own a lot of the company. It dilutes them as well. But they're not given 10% of the company to somebody else so that they can get something done. They're proving things enough so that when they go out for a raise, it's people like us, it's other investors that say, yeah, I'm in. And then we all buy whatever it takes to get to that next stage where they prove it further and further. So I think they've demonstrated a willingness to grow at the right speed, at the right size each time. And I think that's critical to their overall execution for shareholders in the long run. And yeah, you can play this as a day-to-day play. You can play it as, hey, what's the one thing that's going to protect the rest of my portfolio for the year? Or you can play it, I think the way all the busts are, where it's, let me get this to the stage of being fully developed. Let's see where we're at there. And we've seen other companies get their version of a commercial plant up and have astronomical increases. And that being with one type of plastic, not plastics, oils, renewables. We're still really only talking about one of the three verticals of this company. And I appreciate the way that they're not being cavalier. Everything they do is measured like an engineer would do. Yeah. I'm going to add one last comment and then I'll hand over to kind of you guys. One last thing that I really appreciate what Adura's done is if you look at the major names in the space that are all mainly kind of paralysis or, you know, some iteration of it, you still find the same scenario where you'll find them that they're kind of associated with a name or two. So if you look at Agilex, they're kind of in, they're hugged by ExxonMobil, namely, if you look at Purecycle, they've licensed technology from Procter and Gamble. If you look at Mira, they're in bed with Dow, which is not bad. I mean, I'm not dissing what they're doing because they're found a funder that is associated that will provide them the feedstock, will provide them some money, will provide them the kind of the credibility so that they can raise money. But again, it's a central unit. It's the same old technologies that we've talked about before. So what I really like about Adura's technology is on the one vertical that we keep talking about, which is the plastics. They right now have four multi-billion dollar or three multi-billion dollar companies there. Now, why is that important? Because they haven't had to give away exclusivity to any of these. What does that mean down the road? It means that you would become very important to each one of these as the story progresses, as the testing continues, as success happens. And at one point, there will be conversations to be had about, how do we license? How do we get exclusivity on something? And that is where it becomes very interesting. Now, imagine the 20 dossiers that Eric was talking about. What happens to that? At one point, there's going to be a premium that has to be paid. We don't know what that premium is. We can speculate. But again, just because of the liberty that they have by not being just hugged by one of these names gives them a lot of liberty, gives them a lot of room to grow and not have to cave with one of them. Then again, on the heavy oil side, they have this confidential multi-billion dollar company that is also, again, no exclusivity. They have Prospera, although Prospera is like a tiny company. Just think that what they're doing from, and again, I think because they are engineers, as Penny mentioned, they're also significant shareholders. They do realize that this is the way to create competition on the ultimate game for them, which is whether it's a buyout or it's some form of that. I think that so far has been very impressive for me. I want to touch a little bit on the theme that Yazan was talking about. I want to mention a company, PureCycle, because all of us watch PureCycle. PureCycle has a market cap in US dollars over 600 million dollars after they defaulted on the production goals for the 500 million debt. I'm going to repeat it again. They have over 600 million market cap after they screwed up the production goals. That just shows you the appetite that there can be for a solution like this. We're all biased. PureCycle doesn't even come close to what Aduro has. They have 10 times the amount of debt and 10 times the market cap that Aduro has after they screwed up. That's the theme that we're sitting on. If we can get a little bit of that theme coming on the Aduro side with such a small share structure, it could get very interesting, very fast. I think the roadmap over the next three years certainly will become interested. There was a question that came through during the Q&A session. I thought it was a little bit premature about uplifting to the NASDAQ, and I thought Mayna did a fantastic job of addressing that and quickly alluding to the fact that the company just went QX, which I think in and of itself is a milestone for the company with regard to the audit scrutiny that the company will endure as opposed to being part of the larger pool in OTC markets. I think in due time that will be inevitable, but I just appreciated his comment on that because once you uplist, and I've seen this before on companies that I've covered once you uplist, you now get a target whether or not you want it or not. I think just to allude to what Penny was talking about earlier on in the discussion, I like where we're positioned. That might be my biased position, or as you might suggest, Mariusz Wright coming from more of a bullish perspective. I try to draw down and be as neutral as I can on that, but it's very, very difficult to do so because not to use Eric Appleman's words, they've internally scrutinized this, and Nairia have found a problem specifically with the technology. I'm closely monitoring it. I'd like to see some emboldening of the financial statements, some strengthening on that. I wish I would have heard a little bit more from Mayna on the webinar with regard to a little bit of forecasting. We heard some numbers come through on these customer engagement numbers in the 25-50,000 on the low end, 100,000 on the higher end, and then Ofer actually threw out the million-dollar mark as the collaboration stage, presuming that they can move through those stages of customer engagement. It certainly added some color around that, which I did appreciate. But yeah, I just wanted to add to that where I just think we need to be a little bit patient on rushing this company to the NASDAQ. Yeah, I just want to add to one point. He did mention that the testing at this stage can be anywhere between, I'd say, if I recall, it's $100,000 to $300,000. The way that I look at it is, literally, that that is another lever that they use to reduce dilution because warrants coming in means that cash is coming in means that they don't need to dilute. But the fact that these testings are happening is literally another source that reduces our burn while the company is learning more, while the data is coming in. Because I heard one of the comments that I read. They were like, R3 is now going to be in early to mid 2025. They said end of 2024. First of all, 6 months is not even a surrounding error. But let's think of it from another standpoint, which is when you're testing a new technology, the best thing you do is you get more data. And here's the funny part is you're testing at the expense of someone else. So if someone else is paying for you to test, get more information, more intel, then move to the next scale. Sign me up. That's a smart business decision not to rush things up. Now, having said that, they are in the as overset, they are in the process of, you know, moving towards R3. My thinking, though, is, you know, again, I always like to look at it from both sides. If the other side keeps seeing good things, do they really need to wait? Do they not come in and say, we want to have exclusivity on something, but we're going to fund this R3? It could happen. So I think the possibilities here are a lot. And that's why I think I get extremely excited whenever I hear the business side. I get equally frustrated about the market cap. But I also, I try to kind of, you know, think of it like, this is truly a pure VC play. I don't think if you're putting your money, think it's better to think of it as if you buy it 80 cents us or a dollar us or whatever. It doesn't really make that bigger difference because people like yourself frying and panning everyone on here. I don't think we're invested for this to be a it's either going to be a 10x or it's not that those are the two options that I think I don't think it's it's somewhere in the middle. We're starting to approach the 45 minute mark guys. And I just want to give a plug and a thank you for Marius and Penny for making their way on the biggest thing I can make. They're both future channels, the independent investor channel. Please seek out their information. They are held in the highest regard as far as I'm concerned for covering the microcap space and we're lucky to have them. And a final thank you to Yazan as well. Your insights are invaluable, my friend. Thank you so much for the time. But I want to give everybody the opportunity as we close this down in fairness to our viewers here try to keep this around 45 minutes an opportunity for a last word and perspective and reaction to the webinar from earlier on this week. Anybody can take that panel. Thanks. I'll go ahead and go. I basic exactly what I said before it was further confirmation of everything we've seen this year. We're picking up momentum. We're picking up lots of big players in the industry, which is further proof that they understand our technology is real and the company is doing right by shareholders. So I'm in. I'll go and say first of all, I want to thank you. Say thank you to the adurity. I really think that, you know, a lot of times we forget the people behind the scenes, the 15 plus people that are at the lab, the people, the business that the actual families that are actually driving this to after 13 years to get it towards that. And extend that obviously to offer Eric and Nina and they even the rest of the team. And I want to say, you know, clearly thank you guys, because if if it wasn't for the three here that are talking about this name, then this name would have been, you know, they would have had to dilute further. They would have had to go other means to get to where they're at. So I think getting the word out is something that is very important. And also when I'm issue wish you all a Merry Christmas and happy, happy holidays. Okay, I'm going to go last. So the thing that I wanted to say is that the way the way I do roll, we covered a duo. All of us is just information. We're providing you information about the company. Now, if you like it, do more research. If you don't like it, change the channel. Okay. But here's what we have. We have a worldwide problem. And we have a company that has a solution. And we have indication after indication after indication that there's a solution. All this is happening while the micro cap space spoke up space has gone through absolute devastation that we haven't seen in 25 years. The Fed just said they're going to raise lower interest rates. The raising of interest rates pulled out all the liquidity from the micro cap space. Now they're going to go the reverse. So I don't know if I've ever seen a better setup for the micro cap stocks in general to just knock the socks off everything. And I'm talking about good names. If you're sitting on bad names, nothing is going to save you. But if you're sitting on a good company, good business, good technology, good solution, during a time where I think the tide is going to turn, it could get very explosive. And we all believe that our duo has the goods and our duo is going to benefit from it. And we all put money behind this. Now, as an investor, it's your choice. Do some work and see if you see what we see. And if you don't, that's okay. There's plenty of other names that you can go after. So with that being said, thanks, Ryan, for doing this. Thank you, Mariusz. And I'll close by saying this. Do your own due diligence for sure. If you decide not to, that's okay. Just as of late, I've decided to double up my position on a number of different fronts. We've talked about valuation in this panel. We have talked about the technology. We have talked about the strategic direction, the addressable market. We have talked about the solidification of the team and really the expansion of the team globally. Eric Appelman being one of those really nice bullish pieces for me as to the leadership in this. And it really fits into my holistic picture of this just being one of the best opportunities that I've seen in my 25 years of looking at investing. Maybe at 10-axis. Maybe it doesn't. That's for you to decide. Going into 2024 as we close down 2023, I want you to realize a couple of things. There was 110 patrons to that message. Me personally, I was a little disappointed in that. With the magnitude of this opportunity, I would expect that the floodgates do at some point eventually open up on this name. Shares will become in short order hard to get a hold of. Better to get in early than to get in late. If you're waiting, I don't know what for what. We will continue to provide as much transparency as I can through our three networks. So stand by on that as we enter into 2024. Subscribe to each of our respective channels. Have a Merry Christmas to all. Thank you to the panel for your time. Be safe and we will catch you next year as we reconvene on the Aduro Clean technology story as we evolve in 2024 and beyond. Thank you to the panel.