Thanks so much for joining us for another episode of Tech Show But Friendly. I'm your host Anton and this is the podcast of Hardware Sugar and we are very happy today to have our second guest on the show but not a stranger to the viewers of our channel, Katima Gaming from Thailand. He was actually in our video on, we did a video with fellow Southeast Asian tech YouTubers and Katima proudly represented Thailand. It was a great pleasure to talk to him and we brought him back because I've sort of in the background, I've become kind of interested in how Filipinos are perceived online, like our stereotype images that were super toxic and Katima has a very interesting insight on that because he is one of the moderators of a very large Facebook gaming group, a local Philippine gaming group and he also has his own YouTube channel which we'll link into the description below but with that all of that said, welcome again. Hello to Katima Gaming. Thanks so much again for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. I mean like we had so much fun doing our first interview right? I mean like we were, we could have gone forever. It was very good. I remember. I really enjoyed that one. I nearly cracked the beer there. And I mentioned to Katima offline. I think I mentioned it online also that this English is really, it's flawless. It sounds like American English and then he's surprised by saying he learned it in the Philippines. Yeah, from the Philippines, Cilliman University. I learned English and Visaya, Filipino there. Makasabot at makasultisad si Katima o Visaya. A little bit. I know, I'm Filipino. I can get by. So why don't you tell our audience how, I mean because you're based in Thailand, you are Thai.  Congratulations, how many followers? Over 69 now. We just hit 70. We hit 70,000 members already. I can't say nice now. When you hit 69, I was like nice. Yeah, it's been quite a road trip because I became a gamer in the Philippines. Basically, I moved there. Wala pang K-12. So when they said, I put it back to high school. Yeah, so I went straight to the Philippines, took only four years for high school, went straight to college. But the gaming culture there was just so amazing, the comp shops. They were already doing CSGO, Rogue Spear, the Rainbow Six one, Starcraft. So the comp culture. Yeah. And that's how I became a gamer. And that's how I love gaming with Filipinos most of the time because they're just so animated.  And we'll get into the difference between Thai gamers and Filipino gamers later. But yeah, that's why I'm very active in the forums. I'm very active in video game forums. And for some reason, I really liked our current forum right now, our current group in Facebook called PC Gaming Philippines, which we will change to PC Gamers Guild. Yes. Is that the majority vote? Yeah, that's the majority vote. We voted already when we turned 70,000. So shout out to all our guild members at the end of this month. Well, we currently have a logo and banner competition ongoing. So at the end of the month, when that's finished, we've got prizes, we have everything go ongoing, and then we'll officially change it. But yeah, I realize that there were more decent people in this group compared to the other Latino group. You are a member of different PC-related Pinoy groups. Yeah, a lot of PC-related discord included.  Yeah, like, like, like, like, yeah. Let the algorithm do its job. I nitpick because I want to really participate. Curate it. And then I, yeah, yeah, curate it, correct. And I start leaving these other groups that became either two marketing, too many buying and selling, and too many agendas, especially politically. And yeah, I ended up with this group, one group. I'm only now a member of just one PC group that I actively participated. And that is the PC gaming Philippines or PC gamers guild Philippines today. And eventually I became admin after three years. Just like a short summary of that story. So you started out as a regular member, you were posting regularly, commenting, and then how did you, how did the existing admins, you know, approach you and ask you to join them? Yeah, well, there was the NVIDIA, I think this was last year, did an event where they were doing a giveaway and the admins were just too busy handling it. So as a member, I said, like, you know what, okay, I have some free time. I stepped up and then tried to make the event happen. Everyone gots their prizes and video was very happy. So the guys thought, like, you know what, that was pretty cool of me. And then just decided to let me be admin. As long as like, because they saw that I kind of kept the cool head and just being a nice guy overall and genuine.   But mo diliit yung pose ko. Yeah, exactly. Right, man, di ba? So that's pretty cool. So it was really something you took on your own voluntarily and then you did such a good job.  Very violent. Hindi pipitugin, very violent. It's not like, it's not a pipitugin giveaway.  It's like, you know, NVIDIA GPUs, right?  Thousands of pesos on steam wallet and GPUs and prizes too. So yeah, it was serious. But that's a cool thing. I think that's the reason why I really stayed with that group. Timing lang ng madaming mabait doon na groupo. Daming calm people compared. Compared to the other groups.  I don't remember this giveaway. I'm trying to think about it back in my mind. Last year. Yeah, no, I'm a member of that. I mean, like, I've been a member, like, not the month way back, but I think, like, I was a bit of a member before you were admin because I remember seeing your name and saying, oh, there's Kativan. He's an admin now. So I think, but I don't remember that giveaway. It's like, where was I? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was I shadow banned? Like what? I want to complain to the admins. What's going on? We can't have that hardware sugar getting for. Ano na hiya re? Ano na hiya re? I'm flipping interest because they are selling GPUs. Yeah. No, I want to win steam or whatever. But let's focus on that event. And I think, yeah, that prefaces it well. So what were the challenges involved? So you were basically, that's kind of like your baby admins. So like, they're like, okay, you have authority now. What problems did you encounter with that giveaway? Well, one of the first things we encountered is spammers. Like we said, like, okay, just apply one time. Yeah, you post, like, I want to be, yeah. But there are people, I don't know, we put up a bot or something and they just kept spamming at the point that we had to ban some of the members. In terms of winning though, there were no, no one contested it though. That's what's very nice about this group because in other groups, definitely, we will see a lot of people will say, this is rigged all members only. We already made it a policy that admins and moderators cannot win this prize just to avoid conflict. Yeah. And yeah, we just really just randomly picked the lagak. Yeah. And it turned out smoother compared to the other PC Philippine groups that usually it turns quite. Yes, yes. Acrimonious. Kasi mama, jealousy is very much part of Filipino culture. Yes, yes. And then people can start talking and then mangancao, something like that.  I know. You will rarely hear a Filipino say, congratulations. That's like a hot take already. Like how hard is it to say, wow, I'm happy for you. I'm happy for you, right? Yeah, yeah. You'll never hear that from a Filipino. Sorry, sorry. I do have to jump in because Ardver Sugar does have, we have done some giveaways and I do have to jump in and say that actually my experience has been the reverse. When we do the drawings, I do them online like random so people can watch and I've been struck by how everybody is so positive now. Oh, congrats to you. Parang ganyan. I don't know kasi if it's like more, I mean, because you are, you do feel like, oh, we all kind of watch the same channel. So it's like we're rooting for you as well. Parang ganyan. But I'm not saying that, that your experience, I mean, I can super believe your experience. I just want to say that it's been the opposite of experience with us, which I found super heartwarming actually. I was also taken aback by the positivity of the people who didn't win. So I was really. I totally believe that because I believe that that is infectious because your group, most of the time, you always have that positive vibe. Yeah, we try to market the videos as like it's for beginners and we don't exclude anybody like we don't make it like super jargon. So being aggressive, you're going to feel bad. And then when you have positive members coming in first, that kind of attitude reflects and other people sets the tone. So it's also very important. And yeah, it's very true. It depends on whatever tone is set first and then they'll just pour over. So yeah, very organic as in a way. Yeah. All right, so let's get into the heart of it. So you became an admin. The admins basically said, oh, here's Katima. He volunteered. So basically, they didn't even know I was high. Akala nilang pinoy. Pinoy na pinoy. Yeah.  I mean, I can imagine yung medyo konyo-konte, yung taga force, yung taga dasma, yung English accent konte. I can believe it. I can believe it. But basically, they saw you and they're like, here's a responsible guy. And basically, here's somebody that we know will work hard, right? Yeah, exactly. They're like, we're free. So they basically, what did they give you? What are the admin privileges that came with the title? I think like most of it is just the reward of knowing that you're part of the community. Miss Philippines, Miss Thai answer. It's all about the people. It's like a project and they gave me all the the bells and whistles. So like I like the band hammer. Yes, yes. Yeah. And interestingly, as an admin, you can also see statistics of your group, like how many women, how many men, ages, and all that stuff. And I could take that data to create sort of a research on like what are the average age of gamers that we have over 2000. For example, out of the 70,000, we have over 2000 members who are actually women. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. And the average age of the people in our group are like 34, 35 years old. Yeah. Yeah. That really is an interesting fact. You can take all that and download it as an Excel. And I've written a few papers on it too about the average age, yeah, of the gamers. And it was a great supplement. So all of the admin privileges I got, I actually managed to create a research. You put it to good use. I mean, yeah, you use these statistics to further research, to further knowledge also of the community and things like that. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of data. Yeah. And it also helps with my channel as well because then I can use that data and then create talk shirts. Yeah. And we talk about these things. And as an admin, you can also call people. You will not be short of guests. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. If you want to call. So many active people in the group. Yeah. Yeah. So those are the really cool things that as an admin, that's pretty reward other than it's all about the data. Yeah. Let's start with the optics and then you go onto the analytics. The data. Yeah. But let's focus specifically on the hammer. So part of the privileges of the admin is that you mentioned it already actually because you were doing it already when you were for that giveaway that you have the power to expel members, basically band members. Just give us a little bit of background what the rules of your group are. So like, what are the things that you might run afoul of that would result in a band? Yeah.  I've seen you. I've seen you. Yeah. It's a huge problem because our group is not a buy and sell group. And there are so many of those. And we've seen a lot of Filipino gaming groups turned into a marketplace. Yes. Yes. Yeah. And those are the dangers we don't want our group to become. Yes. Because, you know, it's still genuine. We still want to help people and we don't want to flood our news feed. Yes. Just selling. Yeah. Plus, you can do that anyway in the marketplace. So those definitely only one warning. And that's a cool thing also as an admin. You can keep track of all the warnings you gave to a member. How many have you given them just out of curiosity? Like rough ballpark? Yeah. I would give two of all the members. Yeah. Total. Total. Yeah. This week alone, I had to take down about maybe 80 posts. Buy, sell. This week alone. I mean, that's a lot. I mean, imagine in seven days that's 80 posts and that's not even all of the posts of the group, right? Because there are legitimate posts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And but the cool thing about the group also is everyone pitches in. Everyone reports. So there are some decent members who act as watchdogs. They take on the role as watchdogs. And all they do is report. So this member na naman. Ano naman ang report sa kanya? And you do, aside from deleting the posts, you do kick out the members who post those things after the warnings. Yeah. After two or three warnings. At the very beginning of being an admin, I would send them private messages muna kasi active bako. But then there's just too many to come up with. So I just say, there's an option, remove and give feedback why it was removed. That's an admin benefit. And they'll see that come out as a warning on their page. Some of them read them. Some of them don't. So after two warnings, I see the record ding na na naman. Oh, ikaw na naman. Hindi obra yung PTPA permission to post admin. PTPA. Oh my gosh. PTPA actually annoys me the most. Because like, lalo na if they say, PTPA admin padilit lang kong bawa. Oh my gosh. That really was like so you're just saying. I didn't read. Yeah. I didn't read the stuff. Yeah. So admin. And I think that's very telling of Pinoy culture. Yung tipong ask forgiveness na lang instead of trying to figure out on my own. Pwede ba to? It's kind of, oh, pasensyan na. Hindi ko alam na mali. Ayawin yun no, parang, yun na hindi ko alam, hindi sa jya, parang ganon. Ano yun? In law school they say ignorance of the law is? Sorry, I've tried to remember the Latin. Ignorantia, licks, non-excusat or something. Ignorance of the law excuses no one. There you go. That's the lawyer, Mr. Anton, right there. The assumption is that you need to know the law. It's not an excuse, right? So is that your number one reason for banning people, would you say? Failure to follow that this is not a buy and sell group? Yeah, that's really one of the main reasons of most of the post-elite. Also another one is no hashtag when they do live stream. Ah, I've seen it. I've seen a couple of posts that you mentioned also. Yes. So live streams are allowed because some other groups don't allow it, but you need to tag the group properly. Yeah. Just to let them know that they're not taking advantage of our group by just blasting their content. By putting a hashtag, we get to know that people can also follow our group. Yes, yes. And in a way, we appreciate the support. Yeah. Mutual naman, di ba? Yeah, ni-mutual siya.  But if you slap, kasi mag-autoplayan niya sa Facebook. And at least a hashtag would be. And I take a lot, so many down because people don't read the rules. Yeah, and don't know aba yung pasensyon ahon, di ko alam. Taulang. Yung taulang ko. Come on, man. Sino magbabasa, I hope. I mean, who do you think may put the rules for so that people get private messages and they say like, why did you take down my post? And then it's like, because you violated the rule and it's like, bro, I didn't know. So that's okay. Yeah, that makes it all better, right? Yeah, that makes it okay.   Yeah, yeah. I've gotten a few PMs from, there was a seller who wrote, I think you saw this post who wrote selling PC. Did I like it? Or did I put lol or something? Maybe. I think you liked it. It says, PC specs, yun. They were selling PC. PC specs, female own. I remember this one. Oh my gosh. And I decided you inspired me. You inspired me. I removed the post. I banned the member. I didn't ban the member. I just removed the post. But then I posted a question to the group. What does it mean if mo bibenta ka and then sabi mo female own? And then the owner of that post nga akong he removed na PM siya sa akin, how could you do this to me? I feel so embarrassed. And I said like, mom, no, it's not about you. You inspired me. I didn't say your name or anything. This feels very familiar. I feel so attached. No, it's not about you. You inspired this conversation. No, as it will be clear, when you posted it, it was purely anonymous, like no name or anything. Yeah, no tag, no nothing pala nga. And I kept reminding their member nga, no ma'am, I am not attacking you. You inspired this discussion. Everyone is coming in. You could see this such a great conversation going on. Maybe sexist in a way, but yeah, it's still inspiring. It's a genuine conversation starter. And also, it's educated. I mean, it's a sharing of opinions. Yeah, it's sparked the sharing of opinions. So all our audience right now listening, you might want to put this up as a question too. Ano ba talaga ang meaning? Ano ba ibig bin? Female own. Oh, what does that mean? As men, do we run our PCs into the ground? Mas mahilik ba tayo mag overclock?  Do we clean or do we not clean it? Do women clean it better? You know, it opens up this conversation. Actually, even for cars, I would find that kind of sexist. I mean, my wife drives a lot. I feel nga that my wife is even a more aggressive driver than me personally. When you drive in Manila, you gotta drive like a Manilenyo. You know, Katima has been in the Philippines. I need to apologize to Katima on air because we were taping this 6.30 on a Wednesday, but I told him 6 o'clock, but I was running late and yeah, I was driving like that. I was driving like a Manilenyo because I personally hate it when I tell people certain time and I don't make it at that time. So I have to apologize to Katima. Thank you so much. I was praying God today. I was checking test papers. No, students, ex. But sorry. The PM, so this one was like, oh, I felt like personally attacked and stuff. So it wasn't like remorseful na parang how could you do this to me. It was a aggressive kind of like. She was angry. Yeah, you attacked me.  You're supposed to do this and that and I just kept trying to explain. Until that point nga sabi ko nalang ngam, ma'am. Let's end it here nalang po. Yeah, this is my point of view. Yeah, fighting. No, I didn't even try to put my point across na. I told her na I am just a stranger online. It's not, I'm not worth it. It's like, oh my gosh, I don't. And I was walking in the mall and reading her texts. Well, while you were, you know, yeah, so annoying. Ma'am, you know, I'm just a stranger online. Move on nalang tayos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, I got a lot of dollars. What else sparks it? So in this particular instance you posted, so you anonymized it and then you used it as a as grants for a discussion. What other actions have you done that have resulted in irate pms? Yeah, basically, first of all, buying and selling, calling out. These are one of the biggest problems when a member calls out another member and does not omit their names. It creates this toxic conversation. It's like a wave, right? I mean, just builds and builds, yeah. And they'll pull from different groups also and bring it to our group. They'll pile on, yeah, yeah.  So like now you can just screenshot anyone.  So those are some of the really big ones that I have to take down and then it becomes very toxic and they'll PM me and say like, what are the PMs like? They'll say like, look, hey, why are you taking out? I didn't break any rules and I tell them, yeah, you did.  I have them. I explain it in a very reasonable manner lang. Kahit mag-insulto sila, hindi ako mag-babalik. Pas-reasonable lang tayo na rules-based, objective lang ba. Yes, yes.  Yon lang, yeah. Other than that, other than that, there will be religious posts, political posts, hidden in game, hidden in video game. Yeah. Ah, medyo sa, medyo on the slide pa, like yung hindi talaga out and out, yung medyo tinado pa nila. Yeah, like for example, the Santo Niño and people are walking with Santo Niño and there's a guy walking with a Super Mario, for example. Okay. And I would say like, you know, that's funny, but can we push it in the Filipino culture? I don't know. So we'll wait till how the group reacts and then it becomes quite a toxic environment. So yeah, very balanced. In the PMs, does anybody, so you explain like, okay, so we have like, let's say we have rules one to ten and I deleted your post or I put you in the doghouse, let's say pano temporary suspension lang for like five days because you broke rule two and three. Like after you approach them in a very calm and rules-based manner, how many come back and say, you know you're right. That's the rule. I broke it. I'm sorry. It won't happen again. I think like 90% of the time, if you don't add flame to the fire and you approach them in a mature and calm, objective manner, wala silang mga mabalike, masang reasonable ka. Yeah. So I think like, that's one of the biggest problems among Filipino cultures. You know they're volatile. You know they're waiting for something to come back so that they could use.  But this is the link. This is the rule. No questions. Yeah. But how many, so I mean, I can't get the sense that they're looking for, yeah, they're looking for conflict. They're looking for drama. How many people actually acknowledge that they made a mistake? Sorry, na kamali talaga ako. Like I broke this rule. I mean, because the sense I'm getting is they'll just stop messaging. Parang ganon. And they'll quit. They'll leave the group. Yeah. They'll leave the house. So pagalap nila ng mali silang, wala silang mga valus balik para bang nahia sila and they leave. They lose faith, right? Yeah. But I would say like very rarely like 50% of the time, we meet these mature adults talag uncle gamers or papa gamers. Most of the time, ma uncle gamers, ma papa gamers. They're very cool and they say, I sorry po. It won't happen again. I know. Yeah. And yeah. And we build a rapport and friendship from there. I think like it depends on the age group talaga. If you meet your uncle gamer or papa gamers, yeah, 50%, I think it works. But for most of the time when you correct someone, they quit. They leave in a huff. They leave. Yeah. They leave in a huff. So too bad. But yeah, it is what it is. That's also, I mean, yeah. We brought up a lot of possible reasons why people, why Filipinos in general, why Filipinos in particular are so toxic online.  The tendency is just to leave in a huff and like, oh, you know, binas ko sako o nabala kayo. Exactly, exactly. As a gamer yourself, and it's interesting because you really, you've seen a lot of Filipino culture. Like you said, you mentioned that you were playing in land cafes and stuff. But you know, you also in touch with your gaming culture there in Thailand. So is, are Filipinos really more toxic than other Asian gamers? 100%. No question. 100% because like, I think Filipinos and Indonesians, these are the two and here are some reasons like in political science, they taught us this. Number one, Filipinos are competitive by nature. Yung talaga. Number two, Filipinos are very passionate and volatile by nature. Number three, out of four, Filipinos are very celoso by nature. But then that is fueled by the fact that Filipinos are very mayabang by nature. Yes, yes. So you put that all together and you now have this melting pot of Pinoy. Mga hambugero. Yeah. Mga hambugero, pero mga celoso. Yeah. So now you have this melting pot of emotions and the inferiority complex of coming from the Philippines. And so yeah, you get this culture of we want to be better. I want to be better not just as a country, but against other fellow Filipinos. I know. It's even Filipinos complaining about fellow Filipinos. We ran a YouTube poll on the channel and it's like, so which nationality would you most not want to have?  So we put that in some other nationalities. But the number one vote then was Filipinos. And you know, most of the channel is from most of our viewers are Filipinos. So it's also kind of surprising that even we ourselves admit that like, yeah, we don't really want to play with Pinoy. We're super toxic. With other Pinoy. Yeah, they become competitive with each other, along Yeah. Or they shout at like in Dota 2, they shout at, Yeah, all the call outs are wrong and all that. But yeah, I mean, compared to Thailand, for example, or all the non-English speaking countries kase, if you look at CLMV, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, Vietnam. And Thailand, these are not English speaking countries. So if you look at Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, and the Philippines, they have more access to the West and international channels, which makes Filipinos extra competitive. Kasi tigin nila. If you look at a Discord channel of a typical Pinoy, daming may international channels yan sa Discord niya. Yes, yes, yes. For a Thai, wala, puro mga locals lang talaga yan because we're in a bubble. We don't know how to speak English. So we end up in a bubble. But yeah, Pinoy's 100% toxicity, passion, but I can't say it completely negative. I mean, they're just very passionate. I don't know, man. When you have like a 15 year old screaming in your ear. I saw this YouTube video when the Dota, I know you posted about this too actually in the group. When the Dota 2 finals were in Singapore, what did they call the ancient, what did they call the championship? I forget. So the Dota 2 Finals were in Singapore and then I saw a local YouTube creator. So he was going around Singapore because there were so many gamers from different countries there in Singapore to watch the finals. I remember this one.  It's like puro mga swear words. P.I., bobo, takad. So it's like in a way, I mean, we're so pervasive, but our toxicity is so pervasive that even the other Southeast Asian gamers have kind of Yes, and used our swear words, used our, because you can't go online on a Southeast Asian server without encountering pinoy swearing. In Thai, we could never say that. Like in Thai, if we're playing video games. That particular swear. We would rather swear in Filipino than in Thai because swearing in Thai feels so aggressive and so unnatural that it is not within our nature unless you absolutely completely hate that person. Right. So we would say the P word or the amp word in those servers because it's more, I think, accepted. So Filipinos have their contribution. Because we laid the groundwork, right? Because we're using P.I. word. To your point on, it just feels so direct and offensive. I mean, ang lutong, ang tagalog parang ang lutong. In a way, ang malutong din when you say P.I. and tagalog. But it's also very, it's like water off a duck's back, right?  It's like, I mean, it's, yeah, it's super normal.  Yes, it's cathartic in a way.  But it's very, um, yeah, it's a trash talks accepted. Yeah, accepted. War cry in a way. Yeah. Trash talk friendly banter. You could say that. So, but we don't have a lot of comb shops here in Thailand and screaming like that in comb shops is not. It was not. Yeah, we would not do that. Only in the Philippines. Like, I remember there was this guy who knife killed some guy in CSGO at a comb shop and he said, I'm going to hidden Mitsurugi and everybody's like shouting. Going nuts. Yeah. Can't do that in Thailand. I mean, in the, in the gaming shops that you do have, it's a much more sedate kind of environment. Quiet? Yeah, because like we, we understand that people work, people study as well. Those also be the clientele. So we have to also respect the space also because comb shops have games, but there are also spaces for people to work and study. So that, that culture alone along with Thai culture. Yeah. Respect the mind. Respect the mind. You have to respect other people or else you'll, you'll get kicked out of the internet. Yeah. So similar to Japan, I guess or Korea where there's this rule. Yeah. Unlike in the Philippines where you have to be loud. Yeah. Yeah. Being quiet is the exception rather than the rule. That's why in the Philippines, you have a separate comb shop or a separate room for working. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yung medyo like, it's like four out of 30 computers, right? Yung medyo maliin lang. Partition. Yeah. Partition. May nakakubikal lang. Oh, ni partition nila doon. That's the quiet boring thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You need to work. When you're using the keyboard like actual typing instead of like WASD, right? Yeah. And say, you need the entire key key over there. Over here, only the WASD key. Yeah. It works. Yeah. Yeah. The man, I remember like he brought up the knifing at CS. I remember ka. So barang bastos nundi ba. Parang binastasot. And some people like they'll really, parang sinasa ja nila.  But dima, parang there's added flavor if you take out a knife Yeah. And then everybody's like, halan. And everybody's just, oh my gosh.  Oh, yeah. Yeah. You have a beer. You eat. Parang it's like ano. But in the moment, di ba, like, you could be best friends. You could be beside the guy that you're knifing. Pero wala talaga, wala pagundangan yan.  I think like in the Philippines, they created the term concept. I think that's the term. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was my generation. Yeah. From, from Starcraft di ba? Because it's a concept ability. Yeah. That's a Filipino term that we use that too. Hey, concept concept meaning you're looking at someone's monitor. But there's an updated version for like, if you happen to be playing an online game and then one of yung kalaban mo streamer and then you're watching his stream. I forget the term. I'm not that big into online gaming but there's an updated version of concept where it's been applied to. Stream hunting or something like that. Yeah. They find him where he is because he's streaming. Yeah, because he's streaming. Now you can see his stream. So you have the viewpoint of your opponent. Which is interesting because I thought the streams were, there was a delay. I lag. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know but somebody always complains. I mean, I don't, I don't, I'm not a big streamer myself for that kind of like online competitive stuff. But I do know people complain stream sniping or something. Yeah, stream sniping. Yeah, something like that. That's I think the right term. They do complain about it. But so, I mean, because from your perspective, you've dealt with a lot of toxicity online from your group and from your gaming. Do you think ultimately it's a negative characteristic to have? Because I mean, we have framed it a little bit in a sense. If we're being kind, we use terms like, you know, people are very passionate, very excited. They just want to display their skills. But I mean, putting the kind of like, Philippines answers aside and then overall, do you think it's a negative for Filipino gamers to be framed in that light in this very toxic kind of, you're Filipino, you're playing online. These are the things we expect from you. You flood English only servers with Filipino. I mean, sorry, that among us, when it came out and then sobrang naging sikat during the pandemic and there was like English only servers, but Filipinos being Filipinos. Or like all the chapters being flooded. Like what do you mean? And it's English only. This kind of disrespect for rules which you've seen in your in your own group, this kind of like very macho swaggering persona. Overall, do you think that's a detriment or ultimately a positive for Filipino gamers? I think at this point in the era of Filipino gaming, I think it's it's passed positive or negative. I think the fact that it's become, I yeah, miss Philippine. We elevate. Yeah. Yeah. We're past positive and negative ngayon. Right now, it's an iconic trait for a Filipino. So whether it's positive or negative, the fact still remains that pop culture appreciates this kind of has permeated. Yeah. Even south easy are south easy. In a conservative region, such as Southeast Asia to have, they say the nail that stands out gets hammered, but this snail keeps popping back up, which is the Filipino. We just keep swearing and we just keep going online. I think it's beyond positive or negative because even here in Thailand, if there is a Filipino in the group, they have accepted it as what it is. Yeah. Oh, okay. Philippine. Yeah. Okay. Ganon nyo. Ganon talaga. But isn't that like ano, like I mean, me personally as a Filipino, I don't want to be represented by those kind of very loudmouth, uh, boorish, unboorish gamers. It's irreversible. It's irreversible. So what I'm saying with the point is that it's beyond whether it's positive or negative, you can't take it back now. Penoise is out there forever. Yeah. And I think that it's up to the future generations, whether the redeem or do I know the shift? Yeah. Not, not nerf the attitude, but bring the attitude to a more positive light. Like lakad matatag is a very positive war cry in Dota. And I think more of that should be accommodated. Though the swear words, because Southeast Asians don't even understand it. Yeah. So it becomes just a term. Another. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But for Filipinos, they feel ashamed because they understand that word per se and that it's, uh, it's a swear word for them. And it's very, it's very graphic. I mean, it was, uh, yeah. So yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's really neither positive or negative, but it is what it is. And it's up to you, the listeners. If you're a new gen, can you raise Filipinos? Can we kind of change or modify or should we even modify it? Um, yeah. Being called Penoise should be something good or should be something that people would say, oh, I like that. I like that. Instead of saying, oh, no, not another Filipino server. Got to complain about the team. Got to, I know. Yeah. So you want to go from, uh, you want to go from, oh no, not another Filipino too. Yes, we have a Filipino. Yes, may pinoy tayo. Yeah. Oh yeah. We want to go there in the future. That should be the goal. Yeah. Because you know, skills wise, I mean, we have a lot of pro gamers in Dota 2, in Valorant. I mean, skills wise, the Philippines is a very fertile ground to, to attract or to recruit and to train. Um, and these are like top caliber world class players. We're talking about like, I mean, I'm not, I'm not that big in Dota 2, but I have a friend who is and he's telling me about this one player and he's the best at this particular character that, that character na parang, he becomes a clone or parang his dual ability. So it's super hard to micromanage, pero the, the number one recognized player in the world for that character is Filipino. Um, so it is some, it's not a skills gap. Um, I mean, at least personally, I think we, we do produce a lot of top tier, very excellent players. And uh, that, that does go back into, because we have this culture of like you're playing in the comp shops, you're playing in the land cafes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Competitive. We go online uh, from a sort of a young age and yeah, we want to be the best, right? We, yun nga, mga hamugero. Um, but so it's not maybe, uh, but again, at the same time, you get these, these players who think they're the best, but who are like very sub par, like they're the ones with the least amount. That's why they're the loudest. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Making up. Yeah. Making up for their lack of kills or their lack of contribution to the team. So I, I don't know. Um, uh, like sometimes the, sometimes the loudness is not earned. I mean, you can kind of like be, um, the kind of brash swaggering type. If you're the, the fastest gun in the West, right? Like if you are the cowboy that, that does have the skills to back up all of your, your, your swear. Yes. Exactly.  But, um, I think, uh, sana if like for me, like, yeah, if there are newer, um, younger generation players listening, like if you can't be that toxic, if, if you can be the best, right? I mean, yeah, yeah.  That no one ever was, but you know, Ash was never that brash, that never that arrogant. He stayed, he stayed true to grind it. Yeah. Yeah. And he grinded how many years? So many years before he became the top guy.  He got the arc set and then they move on. Yeah. So I think for me, that's kind of like, um, at least personally for me, like an old school gamer that is super, that, that isn't so much into the online scene, but uh, I do find it kind of, um, uh, like when you go abroad kasi as a Filipino, there are so many, like even not as gaming, there's so many kind of, you feel that you kind of have to represent the country in the best line because there are so many other stereotypes already. Um, yeah. And that's something else that you're fighting against, right? You start talking gaming, that's the kind of perception that you're dealing with. So I wish maybe, I wouldn't mind it so much if like 80% of Pinoy gamers are like, oh, grave. Like okay, like he really is mayabang, but kasi he has the, he has the stats to back it up. Yeah. I think like, yeah, the next generation are, are very mainit ng ulo. I think like they have to really find a way to, yeah, the youngins, the younglings are very, very fast to get triggered because they're so desensitized with online or the, yeah, yeah. Ganyan yung man nakikita ako sa mga streamers and stuff. Yeah. So they, they reflect on that. But for us, like you said, as old school gamers, we're more level headed because we probably experience life differently. Yeah. Yeah. In a more linear manner than most of these guys, these young kids who have only been exposed to culture on the internet, which they think is acceptable. Yeah. So those are kind of what brings the future of Filipinos is how they're going to be perceived is up to the next generation.  Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. The working noise. How do you want to represent that? Yep. And I think also like, I mean, as you get older, your esteem gets put in other places.  Like this guy must be cheating because, you know, he's typed me from like, how many meters to wait. Yeah.  But, you know, as you get older, your esteem kind of gets diffused. And maybe you've been beaten down a lot. I mean, like myself, right? I mean, if somebody swears at me, I'm like, oh, go ahead, man. It's like, relax, just chill. I mean, yeah. My number one go to word talaga is, oh, I'm too old for this. Yeah. Yeah. Like how you dealt with that particular PM, right? Yeah. I'm a stranger on the internet. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just, I don't, I am too old for this drama. I have to go take care of my kids. I have to go, you know, do so many other things. It's like, I'm going to check my papers now. So let me just turn off. Yeah. Yeah. But I just relax lang. I mean, and maybe it is a generational thing. I mean, maybe the young people aren't even concerned about how they're perceived online. Maybe it is an older kind of preconception like, oh, you know, it's like really kind of negative and toxic and things like that. They don't care about the person across. The desensitization is so there because they probably taking it too. So it's like, if I'm getting hurt this so many times, yeah, I'm just going to mirror it back. It should be okay for me to throw it right back. And that's a good point because I mean, my brother plays online a lot, but usually in the North American servers for Call of Duty, I mean, he gets called a Mexican. I mean, these are not Pinoy players. I mean, these are like North American players, right? I mean, American gamers can be super trash talky as well. I mean, usually you play a pickup game of basketball here in the Philippines or in the States. Grabi ang mag-trash talk, diba. So I mean, it's not, I mean, maybe it's just that Filipinas are ahead of the curve and we are importing the kind of trash talking that sports, real world sports are used to and we're just kind of, we're the first ones to import it kind of into the esports venue. Yeah. I mean, like, I think because they're very westernized. Yeah. Because Filipinos are not afraid to join international servers. They bring that with them. Yeah, when they go back to the Southeast Asian ones. Yeah. So when they're playing on Southeast Asian servers, they bring that Western attitude, which we're not familiar with. Yes. Yeah. And that's how they create this identity of Pinoy. Yeah. So Filipinos bring that kind of toxicity because very rare do we see that in Southeast Asia. Indonesians and Filipinos are the most. Yeah. They're kind of like. Creative communicators. To put it mildly. Like if the one with the microphone on yelling at his teammates will, diba, most likely in a Southeast Asian server, be Filipino or Indonesian parang ganon. Coaching in. Yeah. They're the ones who are comfortable with Mike on and shouting at strangers online and things like that. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And yeah. And most of the time, they're not even afraid to talk to people who don't understand them. Yeah. Yeah. They will just be screaming in your face. Go left. Go left. Mid lane. Mid lane. Oh, yung mo yung yung diba. Wide. But look at the wayan. Rush B. Rush B. Or I love it like this. Yes. Yes. When somebody throws an accidental flashback, everybody gets flashback. They're like, ah, diba, diba, kumawa niyan. Yung mga niyan.  I mean, very memorable online events na. Most of my memorable online events came from had some kind of Filipino involved, right? Had to be one Filipino there at the very least. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is what it is. I mean, it is. I mean, as you mentioned, it is both negative and positive. And maybe, yeah, it has been elevated beyond that already. I mean, it is some, it's a national identity. I mean, it's really, it really surprised me when I started digging into it. Like, yeah, even Filipinos hate it, but they acknowledge it. And, um. Yeah, hate it, but they acknowledge that it's part of it. And it's true. Yeah, it's true. It's an odd way of saying. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like saying that, um, yeah, I, I, I'm a misogynist. You know, I'm sexist. I, I, I, I think men are better than women.   In this case, it's like super, super like, oh yeah, we're, we're like that. Full stop. Like, we're not going to, we're going to change or anything. I'm not even going to explain myself. Yeah. We like that. Yeah, that's how we roll. That's how we roll. Do you want me to say I'm sorry? Yeah.  Ito sayo, diba. Diba, diba. Diba. Diba. Diba. Diba. Diba. Ganyan pa diba. Diba. Diba. Yeah.  You can complain all you want, but the fact is that Filipinos have reached global level. They are an evolution from all the other e-sport groups in Southeast Asia. If you look at any international event from Valorant to CSGO to Dota, and even mobile gaming, or AOV, for example, mobile legend, all Filipinos reach those international levels, but the rest of Southeast Asia doesn't even get close. Maybe in a way, the pinoy is deserved for them because they're the ones who towed the line for Southeast Asian e-sports. How many of those professionals were 10-year-old gamers swearing into liba a headset before or at a comp shop or the land cafe? And to add to that, the government doesn't even fund these. Yes, yes, there is no official support. How are they going to, how do they get around? How do they find sponsors? It's double hard, like ties. When they went to Southeast Asian games to represent Thailand in e-sport, the government threw all the budget with a food, airplane ticket, got your back, got your salary, we got your back. But then Filipinos, the government don't get much, but they still get the job done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's great. How? Yes, that's a good point. It's a very, yeah, di ba parang, I mean, we're, it's a very hyper competitive bubble, but the best rise to the surface. And yeah, I think, I think that would be an interesting look at the analytics also, like how many Filipinos, like are we the leading represented, like in terms of numbers for Southeast Asia in terms of pro gamers? And I think on an international scale, on a, not even on competitive gaming, like even streaming, game personalities, because you guys have English, you guys have an easier way of creating content for an international viewer compared to a Thai.  If my entire channel was just purely on Thai, my channel would just be in a bubble that cannot get out to a wider audience. So Filipinos has content created hardware sugar, for example, I mean, like I knew about hardware sugar in Thailand. Everyone, everyone talks about hardware sugar here in Thailand and they open the TV whenever hardware sugar does their live stream. And yeah, because you guys use English most of the time. And that, I think is big advantage for Filipinos. I can cater.  So they get from different Asian Southeast Asian countries. It's always the Pinoy who will be the most lokuatius, because he's the one most comfortable in English.  They won't be talking, but like, you know, you get an amazing race out East Asia. So it's the Filipinos are like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Because yeah, chat with us. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So we gotta do this and oh, we gotta look up for that guy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Look us on the Filipino team. And you know, like Filipinos are also used to hamming it up for the camera, diba. So like, oh, okay, parang guno may, may conting drama. Sige, kaya natin yan, diba. So it's part of the show, part of the person. Exactly. Showbiz, diba. Alam natin yan. Kaya natin yan. No. So I always find it funny how when it's a reality show, like in the region, it's mostly the Pinoy who are like the most talkative, because yeah, they are, they do have that advantage in English. Yeah, like I said, it's beyond positive or negative. It is. You can't see it. It is the identity now. You can't see it at whatnot. Yeah. It's, it is what it is. Like if U.S. likes guns, it is what it is. It is. Yeah. Similarly, both are positive and negative, diba. Both are positive and negative, but it is what it is. We should have a constitutional amendment to ano. The right to gaming and the right to trash talk and swearing is, is a constitutional right for every Filipino. That's a freedom of speech. Yeah. That's okay. I'm thinking that's okay. That's part of who we are. Yeah, they actually did that. Like there was a video game tournament, dada, dada tournament a few years ago, and they did it concert style where players were on stage. Okay. On the left side were Filipinos in the finals, on the right side were Vietnamese. The Vietnamese were very quiet while they were playing. But then the Filipinos on that other side, you can hear them. Even if I was back at the stage, like I didn't hear them talking. Oh my gosh. Pari, pari. Nga, nga, nga, nga, nga, nga, nga, nga, nga. No, no, no, mid, mid, mid, mid, mid, mid, mid, mid, mid, mid, mid, mid, mid. Like, gosh, you got, you got mics. Okay lang, nga. They can hear you. Don't need to shout your other BMAs can hear you. Yeah, exactly. I talked to one of the, they won. And they won, I think, 100,000. But I think like 30,000, $3,000. They won about $3,000. And one of the members said he was very grateful to win because he needed that prize money to buy a ticket back home. I was like, what? No one's, no government sponsor you. No one's sponsored you. Wala, sir. Wala, no sponsor. Bute na nal, bute na nal, nal. I don't know. I don't know. It's TNT na ako dito sa time. It's a good one. It's like, but TNT ako. Eh, yung plan B, yung plan B. That was the prize money. He needed the prize money to get home. I was like, wow, holy cow. Talk about on the line. Yeah, and it's true. Like those are the true economics of being a Pinoy gamer, right? I mean it's really like hustle.  I mean, very basic things. Like I can't get stranded here. I gotta go back home. I think that also contributes to the competitive nature of Filipinos because he ragged to riches. People have seen content creators and competitive e-sport gamers become rich by just playing with you. Some kids, they see that as a way to get out. Like I like boxing. How many pock yard did it? So yeah, I mean, I think like Alodia came from middle class to now one of the personalities in Southeast Asia. But Alodia's rise was like really like when you're pretty. I don't mean that's a sexist remark. I know, but when you're pretty. No, and to be fair to Alodia, the way she cosplays, she really I told this to my wife. Your nickname? Name basis? First name.  Oh, yeah. I've been on camera saying that actually I don't have a crush on Alodia. I have another crush on another one of their group. But anyway, see Alodia because like when she cosplays like sobrang she can really channel the character. Yeah, unfairness or like when she does Cobra Commander or something. It's like The leather in there is like Right? Right? Yeah. The blue hair. The blue hair dancing girl. The eyes. It's like really very focused. So unfairness. Wild. Yeah, so there's so many different avenues, but it's like a super competitive. Like the game made. It's the rag to riches attitude. It's the inferiority attitude, the competitive attitude of Filipino. So if you look at like gaming forums, that's the reason why they're very passionate. Yup. As ng pride. As ng pride ang pinon. So to, I mean pride comments before the fall, right? I mean not to get too unknown. But I mean that's also that's also you, Briss. So it's also like, I mean it's a good thing, but it can also it can bring you up, but it can also bring you down. Very much, very much. Like in the forums, one of the main problems that leads to toxicity talaga is pride. Like kong ting correction lang. Masasakit mo sila. Yeah. Like they would say like, for example, like I'm using wifi lang bakit ang internet ko very bad? I say like, you should use LAN. Wi-Fi is not good. Amen, bro. Amen, brother. Wired connection, man. Wired connection. And sabi na na, ah, it's super defensive na siya. Paas ng essay nil. Oh, it's so old. Arcade technology is like, bro. I'm just. LAN, man. Just trying to correct. Yeah, yeah. We always say on hardware sugar. Like we say like every 10, there are actually tips that I just keep repeating and that's one of them. If you can wired connection. The mobiles are cheaper because you know the wifi stuff, the Bluetooth stuff. And it's faster. It's more reliable, et cetera, et cetera. Always for me wired. I never go wireless. LAN, LAN, LAN. When I check out and I scope out the place, the first thing I look for is the LAN. Yeah, where's the ethernet? Where's the ethernet? Actually, that's even one of the things I do when I call for a hotel. Yeah. Are you asked? Do you have a LAN? Yeah. Do you have a LAN port? I will bring the LAN cable. Yeah, yeah. You just make sure you have a LAN port. Yeah, yeah. No, it's really more reliable. But even like that, I mean, these are the things we take as bedrock, as fax, as undisputable. And yet, when you correct the Pinoy online, it's like, ah, dang, maramalika. Ganito-ganito, ganito. Oh, yun, yun, yun. They would go to a defensive mode. Yeah, yeah. Habad, yeah. Habad. Like there's one time the guy said, why don't you just google it and then I just corrected them ayong ganyan para because you know, you come to the group and find the answers. And pasang ang reply nyo mo, ah, I'm just recommending it para initiative sa mga tao is like, oh my God, bro. Relax. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's a conting correction lang, galit na. Yeah, so always, for me, akong suggestion is use po excessively. Okay. If you use the word po excessively, your tone, kasi hindi man may identify ang tune o sa comment or some writing. Yes, yeah, yeah. Yes, very important. You'll hear me say po a lot para pasabi lang ang peace, bro. Yes, yes. Re-relax lang, relax lang nyo po. I am still showing your respect, right? Yeah, I'm using the honorific. Yeah. Which is, is there something like that? I'm sorry, this is really connected. I was just more for my curiosity. Is there something like that in Thailand and honorific that you can kind of sprinkle it? It's called the politeness modifier. The politeness modifier is crop, crop in Thai means po. For women, ka. Okay. Ka. Ka for women. So you have sawadi crop for men and sawadi ka for women when you say hello, right? So the crop and the ka there is a politeness modifier to let people know that you're being respectful of that sentence. So po is a very great neutralizer. Yes, yes. Yeah. And then or addressing someone as mam or sir in Filipino somehow is also a way to de-escalate the situation. That I am I am not talking down to you. I am I'm sure you respect and I know although you know I was just thinking about it now to be honest we don't like like here at Heart for Sugar when we talk to when we chat with customers we never call them mam or sir and that's on purpose because I tell my stuff like we want the kind of environment like we treat you like friends so you come to us you look for advice so I mean it's very deliberate and it's also kind of to be a bit different because it's very common in Filipino when dealing mam sir left and right so we take a very kind of different approach to customer interaction but not but always with the sense that you would also not talk down to your friend so I think that covers that as well that you know we're not like this we know more than you kind of vibe it's like we want to help you out this is how we would talk to our friends not this very differential kind of because it's a bit abuso then yung ebang customers it's like it's like it's like it's like even the amount of abuse you take every single day with all their customers it's a different setup then it's like oh I'm spending money with you so I expect it to be whatever right the service especially if I'm spending 50,000 60,000 I expect service and they're like you know what that's so amazing there's a guy who came up to our forum and he showed off his mid tier PC and I asked how much did you spend for it's like 100,000 100,000 it's mid it's mid range range it is like you can live for two three months with that money you tell me 100,000 and you plopped it down it's mid range to be fair a lot of bells and whistles you can get very decent fair this for like 40, 50 I have quoted one recently so prang decent tanong 50k but siguro he wanted the bells and whistles or for him baka high end but for him mid range because 30-90 level if you reach like the PZ Enthusiast level especially in our group I think calling it mid range is just playing it safe because if you call it high end in the taro may magane may come on to say way high end it's like that was my life savings I didn't eat for maginudos yeah that's another thing about filipino it's like rare you can see people you have to be careful if you're papayabang like right now I tell people deliberately don't post diabolos stuff diabolos for stuff on the group because it's still free it's not wish diarrhea upon you by don't do it you paid for that early access it's a privilege yeah they're showing it off like I hope nobody you know goes into the form that's added work for me but it's like oh no on that note super thanks Katima sorry I intended this to be like 30 minutes lang but like we're into an hour but I think that's common when we chat I mean I always have such a good time the last time we chat too we went over 10 minutes because many YouTubers I had to cut it up really extended it so long to be honest when we had a mutual friend who emails to chats with me as well he was like we were doing a regular podcast and I would love to have Katima on more often it's just like the problem is our podcast is super bootstrapped so it's like we don't have a lot of resources for it so it's like it's mabilisan super fast lang I think the best contents come from that na hindi planned it it's more organic it becomes more organic I just feel bad as inviting somebody so you're kind of like the host then it's magabara-bara or it's not like very sought out or it's um I think like it's a lot of fun especially if the chemistry is right and you know you have the same interest you can bounce off from each other right so I think like shout out to Casey for letting this happen big fan um yeah so definitely we'll see more of Katima I hope so I hope to come back so much fun guys if you guys were listening I hope you enjoyed today's banter between me and Sarah and Tom we always have a lot of fun it's like this all the time yeah it's just like a regular conversation yeah I don't subscripted or anything and that's what I enjoy one of these if he comes to visit for sure oh my god I would spend so many hours with him just hanging out our beer our beer yeah oh no we were just talking off stream actually we're both going to be more healthy now but definitely cause for alcohol a little bit social content yes exactly exactly what we should do is like maybe like if we go to a quiet nice bar we'll turn on the microphone while we're drinking we're also talking exactly yeah yeah for sure for sure and that'd be for sure playing at the back and then keep the lady boys aside I know I know I was going to say and then afterwards we'll turn off the mic and then go to like to a real bar to a real like nothing happened nothing was recorded no recording like in the back yung di mo makintay oh man my Trump stumps what did that happen I'm going to explain that to the missus like what happened in Thailand stays in Thailand alright on that note thank you so much for having me thank you so much again I super apologize for the the pushing back no I really I really tried to make it a point to be on time and stuff today was just like super busy but thank you again for being so accommodating with everything and always a pleasure to talk with you


He's gonna bang on the door So he's just gonna chill out with us today and I should say this video is brought to you by Squarespace Thank you very much for supporting my work and look I can appreciate it's been a while between Friday vlogs That'll be part two of this video what's been going on behind the scenes But part number one as many of you who find the channel will know and you know this to Roscoe in 2021 we built up a windspace T 1500 with hypercarbon wheels and a factor O2 van with Caden decadence carbon wheels and as a result of being getting a ton of requests on the channel to review and do speed tests on the windspace hypers versus the Caden wheels and because I listen to you magnificent people out there guys and girls I wanted to bring that idea to life, but there is one big problem with how it stands today We have a 50 millimeter disc brake clincher on the windspace versus a 38 millimeter rim brake my personal favorite tubular wheel So if I compared these wheels behind me in a review speed test etc I'll just simply get trolled to death to right mate I would tear you apart and I'm learning as this channel grows I'm getting some good haters on our Roscoe so to keep the haters at bay firstly for those of you who do enjoy my content If you could give this video a like that would be greatly appreciated and number two What I have done is I've reached out to Ben at Caden wheels who is the founder and owner and he sent me a pair of Comparable wheels for a few weeks. I catch wheels so we can do this test properly So a big thank you to Ben and the good folks at ICANN cycling who have been contacting me for many months Without reviewing their wheels, so I thought as a cheaper alternative for this little project Why don't we throw these into the mix as well? So let's get into part one of this video So thankfully before this part of the video my wife just got home So Rossi is now pestering her although the thunderstorms calm down now, please know this is not a review today I'm doing an unboxing. We're gonna be weighing the wheels and I'll give you my high level Overview of the wheels and the companies and the price points and then we will do a review on a low wind day Which is proving to be quite difficult at the moment due to the spring winds and there has been a ton of rainfall So once I can identify a clear day with low winds then I can do the speed test and I'll be able to bring you the review So give me two to three weeks now We'll do the unboxing first if you like unboxings keep in mind I've already unboxed the windspace hypers linked to that video below if you want to check it out. Let's get into it I can redo that nice solid box Press so far. It is thin. No, it's a thin.  I believe I can I like what they've done there.  That's better. I know what these are gonna be One of these old mates at the bottom to a bit of foam there faster Little spacer there as well. I can front smaller box more girth Inconstituous from Caden and more packaged So Ben while he hasn't given me the world. I'm just borrowing them. He has gifted me with Floating disc brake rotors for center lock now I am a rim brake fan, but I will accept these because we've been coerced in the disc at the moment I've got a ride disc brake bike. So we'll talk about those in a second. So the rear Caden these are 45s. Hub check Out of the gate that feels very very smooth and the front See the logo there. Personally, I never found unboxings that interesting, but apparently a lot of people like them So that's why I'm bringing them to you now. Let's move to the way in keep in mind I have previously weighed the hypers as a couple which came in at 1475 grams Thunder Rossi I can front 655 I can rear seven nine five Caden front six forty decadence rear 725 now should be noted that the decadence does come in a 50 millimeter profile clincher But that wasn't available for review. 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So here's the deal We have the windspace hypers carbon 50 millimeter disc brake clincher tubeless ready wheels valued at $1,200 USD We have the Caden decadence carbon 45 millimeter disc brake tubeless Abel clincher wheels valued at 1,443 USD and we have the I can aero 50 millimeter disc brake tubeless ready clincher wheels coming in to get this 675 dollars USD about half the price of the others and look obviously these wheels have different hubs bearings carbon layouts Which will examine in more detail in the review, but out of the gate the hypers look completely different these two look quite similar the icons and the decadence wheels and I think a Lot of that has to do with the fact that they're both running the same spokes They use a spoke called sapham think that's how you say it or sapham CX ray spokes But if you get up close and personal with the spokes you will actually notice quite a significant difference for example with the icons They're running a 2 to 2 ratio, so they've got 24 spokes all up 12 on this side and 12 on that side whereas the Cadence or the decadence and the hypers and some of the best Will manufacturers run this engineering practice in their wheels including campy and fulcrum till my favorite Wheelmakers in the world and I believe Roeville and Shimano in the last four to five years changed the to the 2 to 1 ratio So you'll see here We've got 21 spokes as opposed to 24 and we've got 14 on this side And we've got seven on this side and the reason why they do this apparently it creates a better Tension profile in the rim a stiffer rim because of the bracing angle There's less bracing angle on this side to accommodate the hub and the drivetrain So that's the reason for doing it So there's a different Technology just in the spokes alone the way they are lined into the rim and also if we talk about the rim itself No doubt there will be some big differences Internally for example, I know Kate and run what they call nipple patching which essentially means that in between The nipples there is less carbon fiber here to optimize weight saving and around the nipple area They put more carbon fiber to strengthen the spoke rim relationship Now for these tests will be using the aciyoma power pedals So we've got the same power transfer for all tests will be using the windspace t1500 will be using these Floating disc rotors that I showed you in the unboxing from Caden I asked Ben I said people are going to know where they can buy these and he said well, they're not for sale at the moment Well, I can't show them and not say anything So if you're interested in finding out more about these floating rotors you can contact Caden directly He said that specifically and we'll be running the same inner tubes and these GP 5000 25 millimeter tires Continentals a competitor to Schwab and we'll run these tests both uphill India Drive will run them downhill and we'll do them on the flats And of course if you've got any ideas or suggestions for this upcoming review love to hear your thoughts below and Let's get into part two of this video So what's been going on behind the scenes? Well, my wife and Dog Roscoe right here. I've been taking over my office a lot recently. I've taken over my office Get off my back But four things number one the seeker Been getting a lot of questions about what's going on with this build In fact, I reckon more questions about this one than the windspace, which is quite interesting I'm just waiting on a group set once I can get my hands on a group set Tram one buys what I'm looking for once I can get that sorted Jay Taylor at Taylor Cycles He's confirmed that he's gonna be building The bike so she's gonna come down to when I can get my hands on a group set Hopefully within the next month. What else has been going on behind the scenes? Well, it's we've just peeling off school holidays and we went camping on the GC the Gold Coast In fact cool and gatter my wife can tell you Alice. Why did we go to cool and gatter? I hoped that there would be a bubble so that we could see my sister and her family there They lived just south of the border in Ballina. Where's that spot? We went though. That was really lovely with the kids Yeah, we went to spring Brook, which was an amazing little place with waterfalls and if you're ever in the GC Little family adventure highly recommend spring book spring book spring Brook spring Brook Spring Brook the kids also had an epic race on those little Pedal bikes or no pedal cars We also had the new sir classic here on the weekend, which is the big ride in my local town being new sir It's you can do I think you can do 120 160. I think the other one might be a 70 or something like that But it's an awesome ride. We had a great day I think it was about 25 26 degrees did get quite hot towards the end a lot of people asked me Why didn't I film it this year because I did a piece on it in 2019? Unfortunately, it got cancelled last year because of COVID The reason why I didn't do a piece on it is because when you take camera Equipment and you're filming stuff. You don't really get to enjoy the day so much So this year I just wanted to go and ride it, which is what I did gave it a bit of a nudge There's a picture with a can of coke in my back pocket Which I thought was a great idea until I got to the top of the hill and descended Rough roads a lot of vibration went to open that can of coke on the way home and it just sprayed everywhere So that was a lesson learned but really good day out if you're ever in new sir Make sure you check that out. I'll link to their website below and last of all I've been super busy with the Final intake for the road cycling Academy is happening in November, which is pretty cool before we back into Christmas, which is kind of unbelievable We're almost there. So that's pretty much it. Thanks for watching the vid and I'll catch you in the next one


Good morning cyber traders welcome back on the Thursday. Good to see you Brad Ronnie Egon everyone Brian everyone on social media welcome back Good day yesterday. A lot of earnings announcements came out a lot of good stocks and moving We're gonna check them out a couple of things moving this morning. Yesterday. I think we had some really really good positions So we'll talk a little about them and you know what makes you really excited wake up in the morning to trade again with us That's Cybertree University. So let's go over some day trades and see what we're doing and see what happened First of all, there's been a lot of big news that came out yesterday Microsoft came up a news Google came out with news gonna look at some of those stock Snapchat came out with some big news So anyway, you could see Google's been on a really really nice move over the course of the year It took a little bit of a big hit a lot of support levels right here at this 130 You could see right here, you know going back over to August holding really really really strong From the last earnings announcements, but it's holding pretty strong right here. You know what not only we day trade We do swing trade here So we keep a close eye on Google if you're looking on a long-term trade and if you are holding it Is it really, you know pivotal on number? You want to be careful of because it does break this it could drop all the way down to 120 So that wouldn't do too well, but Microsoft really kicked ass yesterday Microsoft Look at this big pop do when earnings came out 130 330 all the way to 347 I mean Bill Gates must be excited about that, you know I don't know how many billions he made on that overnight, but listen it was You know the thing is that this will trickle into other things me Microsoft big very Contribute to AI so that did pretty well and there was some of the stocks also that follow along with it So Microsoft another one was Snapchat Uh snapped it up basically what a hell of a slingshot on this one went from 950 up to $12 back down to $9 It's holding here. I mean this is why you've got to be careful of trading on earnings announcements So why we don't really trade on earning announcements is because of stuff like this because you think you think you're on the right side On the wrong side let all these people kill themselves. Let's wait going on to the morning Now we got a couple of big ones that are coming up now recently Big earnings announcements. We got Facebook coming up and then we also have What is it? Amazon that's coming up. I think tomorrow So a lot of big big tech stocks that are coming up with earnings. Anyway, we'll see how it reacts to the market Dao's not really doing too much yourself about 47 points But um, but listen, that's what you guys are talking and what everyone's focusing on these earnings How about all the other stuff that we traded? Because it was so many better stocks that moved so much better yesterday than those and let's start off and talking about This one right here I and m if you were logged in this morning If you were logged on social media and you were here This was probably the best stock of yesterday This thing just ran from a dollar all the way up to a dollar 60 boom up to two dollars Once the market opened up. It was a great pre-market trade and let me just tell you this I know we have a lot of new trial members I know we have a lot of people here that are contemplating, you know that You're not doing well.  See where those things are because I know that one trade.  But anyway, imm was just a really good Pre-market mover and there were other ones out there um asti was another nice little cheapy Li an that one was great and that one ran from 220 up to 340 I mean that thing has just been gapping up and doing well Expev that thing just just kept going up. It just didn't stop It started early in the morning ran from 1440 ran away to 15 dollars And if you trade the afternoon it ran from 15 all the way to 1540 So there was just a lot of them out there, but this one was great in the afternoon. I am gm. Look at this beauty 1230 stock was at 1260 went only to 14 dollars.  Listen, but why you gotta go trade at 2 300 all stock Why you gotta go look at google why you gotta look at microsoft? Yeah, I know that but percentage wise these moved up so much better Less risk and this would help you not to always think well, of course, you can't afford to trade You got to trade options, you know, and that's the whole thing that people do But what about these these also move, you know, uh, you don't have to trade a lot Remember your goal is you know, you're here to make money and I hear to trade them just because of the name Anyway, um, if you want to get those earnings announcements, um, please follow us on instagram follow us on twitter We just posted that link up there. Please click on it and also everyone. Please like us Friend us and follow us on all them. Okay Um, once again, I'm gonna post up there on youtube for you also if you're watching on social media But the traders there's the actual list right there.  All right, so we do all the work for you All right, anyway, what is moving today? All right So anyway, a couple of stocks are on moving first of all, we want to keep an eye on the crypto stocks Okay, you saw what happened with bitcoin yesterday. It's now hovering right around 30 to 34 thousand. I think stock is doing pretty well Listen I lose money. I do. Okay. I don't I bought coinbase. All right, and I mean I bought it I got stuck on it only stock. I'm really losing. Uh, I lost my I'm losing money on it But you know what it's coming back Um, I know coinbase owns a lot of a lot of shares In bitcoin and also mara all of those other ones, but they did take a big hit yesterday Uh, not the end of the world. Listen, I didn't trade a lot of shares of it But you know what it is coming back. It looks pretty strong. I'm not terribly down But I'm probably down like full points on it, you know, not the end of the not the end of the world so But I like the news on it. I like what's going on with what's going on bitcoin if they if black rock gets to eat Uh, the etf that's coming out, you know the focusing on march You know once again, this is a more of a swing trade not more an investment But this one's doing pretty well and all the other ones that we looked at also mara You know that one did pretty well in the morning and riot anyway So I would keep an eye on those as more swing trades in long terms. Anyway, what's moving this morning as in some of the other stock So we had this one little move right here ASPA now look at the stock $10 stock up to 30 There's only one major problem with ASPA It's not tradeable big spread. Look at that You 50% of all of the traders lose money in trading. Okay, because it spreads not big spreads way too big So be very very careful on it. Um, if you're a category five trader This is probably something you could trade You know what a category five versus category one is, you know as a due to volatility So I am putting on my watch list because it is the biggest percentage gainer. It's up about 100% But once again, you got to be more of those advanced traders. All right, now the stock that's up here is, um Kind of put this on my watch list bt btai Now btai is moving up pretty decent You can see it's got a really nice push right here 14 million shares already traded And we're going to hop over here on the level four And here we are right here level four. We got got a big order right here that showed up about 335 Uh, right around 815. It looks like he's holding it down a little bit He canceled his order from what it looks like But we know he's still out there that probably explains why we're having this big issue right here at that time frame Uh, right around that time right here That's trying to break it. So if it does break it, I mean it should look pretty good So btai looks really really really nice What else did we have? We had another stock that moved up pretty good We had this stock right here asti I know a lot of you are looking at that one this stock got really beat up yesterday I don't know. I this stock got did so many reverse stock splits Um, it might come back. I don't know. I'll put this on the b-list not on more in the a-list So that one is not, you know, I want to keep an eye on that one What else I had over here that's moving up pretty well Uh, pgy this one got beat up from two dollars down to a dollar. It's up about 12 So listen, we're working our way down this list Not really that good Not really that good Not not a lot going on out there that one right there too. We'll bring up that one too. Um, mireland the asti is the other one, right? I know that's what i'm talking about Just it was good yesterday, you know I thought it was going to get a good tag good dead cat get dead cat bounce Didn't really work out that way. So I would stay away from it But um, but look at as we're working down this list. This is number four biggest percentage gainer 12% that's pretty bad 10% This one is not this one's okay. I like it because it's got a good volume Okay, l i a n it's got 2.2 million shares. I want to see what's going on in the market la Unless he was buying and selling it Just got a nice little pop on the On the beat the btai. I'll come back to it. All right But uh, what do we got going to here level four? Not really that much Since eight o'clock. It's just been hovering here. You had a couple iceberg orders showed up right here for about 11,000 12,000, you know, it's kind of flat looks like it's down trending I don't know the btai just popped Just to show you right there. I just saw some orders come in here big volume just came in Just pushed up that stock right there Peloton big percentage gainer.  This is a small small list All right.  We're going to see what's going to happen on the funding goes of how much money they're going to give to our military towards You know, you know tour these these these countries We'll see what happens But that will affect certain ones of these stocks if they start giving money towards military You mean if this thing starts to get longer than than expected Listen, I don't know if you heard but there has been a little conflict that's been going on with iran now all of a sudden They've been attacking some american soldiers. That's the case And who knows if there's a you know, some type of Gotha bit of world war three going on with that because that could lead on to one of them Those stocks will take over and I remember catastrophes do make opportunities So as much as you don't want to hear it or think it's fake news or know it's something that could happen That's not our way how we look politically. We look at it where we're here You still got to survive. We got to make money I'm going to keep an eye on some of the stocks that will benefit from it and also it will crush certain stocks So let's keep a close eye on those trades. All right. Um anything else. I think we pretty much got there Ronnie says the rvmd is good swing trade the rvmd That stock could very big hit is coming back a little bit. Yes Not more of a day trade but does look more like a swing trade Ronnie All right, let's get ready for the market open up a couple of things just to remind everyone If you're a student here at cyber trade university, okay We got phase one is going to continue We're going to talk about chart patterns and journaling Which is very very important if you're a student at cyber trade university, you know that one of the big things We need to teach you how to do your journals and then you'll do your one-on-one coaching So our goal is to teach you how to make money. It's how to control losing it very very important And everyone takes that is in that class. We want to find out more just talk to education advisor And he'll tell you how to get into that room and then also on the top left hand corner If you're watching on social media, you see that qr code just scan that today at 12 o'clock We are going to be doing a weekly our weekly event here. It's a free event Doesn't cost you anything we'll teach you how to find these stocks how we use level 3 and level 4 How to trade like a day trader and a swing trader and why I've been around for 30 years So if you're interested in that, please click on that link. We just posted that In the trading room rich could you post that also? I could like actually I probably posted in there I got it right here. I'll just copy and paste it and put it in the Also in the social media. All right guys. Good luck today happy trading We'll see about 15 minutes for everyone else to see back here at 12 o'clock on social media Good luck. Everyone happy trading be safe And uh, let's not get too crazy today because as of right now I'm not seeing too much going on but you know when the market opens up something might show up And if you see something you say something


Does anyone else wonder about the psychological effects of the crisis of 2020 and 2021? What's happening? NJRoot22.com here with another general interest vlog about society. And the most important thing about this discussion is the overall effect this crisis is having on humanity. And this doesn't include the debate about whether what's happening is real or not, or whether the science is real. It's the mixed up messages that have us a little bit concerned. For example, you got mandates here, mandates there, masks one day, and this something else the other day, distancing, it's just back and forth. And another thing is that this whole crisis doesn't seem to have epidemic-like outcomes. I don't know if anybody's worried about this being like a black plague. And another thing is that statistics, whether you believe them or not, also contradict each other. I can't tell if they're legitimate or reliable. Everything doesn't add up. And there are still plenty of people questioning it, which means that it's not catching on 100%. There are way too many examples I could cite here. But there is one constant. It's the human reaction to words. I would say that a majority of the people, maybe 55, 60%, might have a little bit of fear in them. And the rest of the people who sense something's wrong still play along just because they don't want to ruffle the feathers. They're probably too busy being productive at doing like real life things. However, most of the people have to conform to some degree to avoid getting ostracized by the rest of the people who are following along. And did you see that conference they had in Florida the other day? Nobody was doing anything according to any mandate. And I think everybody turned out fine. One thing for sure is that I would say maybe 99.99% of the public doesn't have a single piece of concrete evidence of anything other than what they're told or what they've heard, whether it's by doctors, the media, politicians, or anyone else. However, and this is really important, those same people do have many pieces of evidence they haven't really thought about yet. And that's the observations they have on a day-to-day base. There will be a time, and I think that time is coming sooner rather than later, that people are going to eventually just get sick of it and wake up en masse. It's like a snowball rolling down a mountain. It starts off slow, but then once it gets going, it's unstoppable. So the serious question is, will this crisis cause permanent damage in America? You know, we're certain that this charade cannot last forever, even though they wanted to. We really worry about what a long-lasting effect this will have on people, even if they say it's over. Will they forever be scared of germs and other people and standing close or being social? For sure, this will not happen to a person that has common sense and logical thinking skills. But don't forget, there's a lot of people out there, way too many, that lack these common core skills, not common core math. We're almost certain that maybe, if this thing blows over, that at least 10 to 20% of the people will be forever scared until the day they die. It'll be like permanently burned into their brain. And that's the sad thing about humanity. It's flawed and always will be. There are endless examples of how society has been affected like this in the past. And don't forget, there are real crises that people should worry about, like fire, flood, earthquakes, psycho, war mongerers, and all this other stuff. But most people have a tough time distinguishing between real crisis and fear porn. And it's sad that this latest crisis will probably have a permanent effect on some people. It's just gone on too long and it doesn't have any kind of like punchline or ending scene. We suggest that you turn off the news and use the cameras called your eyes and the computer called your brain to see and capture what's really happening. It's much better than using a carefully edited and produced piece of propaganda that you see in the bogus manipulation channels. Have a great day.


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