Okay. We can go ahead and start then. Welcome to the Monday, November 16th meeting of the Montpelier design review committee. I will let committee members and staff introduce themselves by speaking their names. Martha Smurski. Hannah Smith. Eric Gilmourtson. Steve Everett. Meredith Crandall. Stop. Sparky Potter. Woodward Sines. Representing R.K. Miles. Before we get started with the first application, Meredith, would you like to review the remote meeting procedures? Please. Sorry, I know it's probably boring for all the DRC members, but just in case somebody knew is watching over Orca. So can everybody see this document on their screen? Yes. All right. Great. So this is for those viewing the meeting over the Orca media to let you know that you can participate in the design review committee meeting via the Zoom platform. You can join either by using this link here, or you can call into the meeting for either option. The meeting ID and passcode are here. 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I'm going to hand this back over to Steve. Moving on, I would like to hear a motion to approve the agenda. I move to approve the agenda. Do I hear a second? Second. Eric, all in favor of approving the agenda, speak your names. Steve, okay, the agenda is approved. And without further ado, let's move to the first application for Stone Cutters Way, the location of Allen Lumberg Company and Sparky Potters here from Wood in Wood to describe the project and his signs. Go ahead, Sparky. So the project is basically to replace existing signs for the most part existing locations to upgrade to the new owner, which is R.K. Miles. And so we basically reviewed all locations and came up with the two that are most important are the entrance for wayfinding. And then there's a sign that will go over the main entrance. There's an existing sign that would come down. And I chose a new location that is a piece of the shed on the north side, which is pretty underutilized in that it can help people and wayfinding to find the main entrance, which is a little bit tricky. So when you're coming down the Stone Cutters Way, there now would be a sign there to identify those set of buildings as R.K. Miles so that people can warm up for what is a tricky right hand turn when they get towards the main entrance in the parking lot. If you want me to, I can share the application materials. If there's anything you want to show or if any of DRC members have questions, I can pull those up. Have the members seen any of these images? Yes. Yeah, they all preceded them electronically, but I can also pull them up if there's something particular you want to point out.  I can't remember whether to sign there now or not. No, there was an existing giant billboard, which is no longer allowed. So that's not happening. So there's no representation. There's a big cow out there, Eric, though, I think that's probably going to stay. I don't know the history of that, but it looks like it's going to stay there. But no, the entire orientation is to really get people into the south entrance. And it's pretty familiar territory in that we just chose to replace the existing signs that are there to get you to the parking lot. There's a bunch of other signs that will be coming down that are existing that are no longer needed or desired by R.K. Miles. So there's like three or four signs that are just going to come off the walls. So there won't be any sign clutter in there anymore. And as far as imagery to show, I mean, these sketches are probably, you probably all seen these sketches, these sketches are the best way to sort of give the orientation of what we think should happen. And these are all, the square footage has been sort of carefully ascertained through you, Meredith, to figure out what they can and can't do from a square footage perspective. There you go. There's that one. Yeah. That's coming down. Yep. And you're going to have a new entry door sign here. Correct. For the blue. New sign there. Right. So the sign on there. Yeah, that's the new location that I think will be helpful. Because I think when people are at the co-op, they're kind of looking in that direction. And certainly if people are wondering what their shed buildings are all about, then they'll have an answer. And we tried all kinds of ideas out. Some did not fly, like freestanding signs. Because that's a tricky turn right there. So I was contemplating a freestanding sign that would allow people to see from both directions through that entrance. But it was not allowed. So we were settling with what was there. Was there ever a sign on that building that the length of it faces, the backside faces the river? So you could see it across the river? Well, that's the one we were talking about. That was, that is, there's a billboard there. It's, you know, 120 square feet or something. I'm not aware, Steve, if there's anything ever before that. But I understand the grandfather condition does not apply here. So I don't think that they will be, have the square footage to have anything large enough to give you red from across the river. And the images up on the screen, the Alla Lumber Company, that will come down. The images cover up what it says. So that will come down. I would bet that most of the people that go there know where they're going. I think you're right about that, Eric. This is not going to be, not a lot of newcomers. Sparky, what's the size of the lettering on the largest sign that's being placed on the building with RK miles? Okay, so the copy size is the, the, the Ammon miles is nine and five eight inches tall. And the lowercase letters are six inches tall. So it's not, it's not a giant sign. These are, these are basically 24 square foot signs. And the, the north, the north side and the south side are the exact same size. Now, on the back of that building where the billboard, that billboard will be coming down. Will that large billboard facing across the river, will that be coming down? Yes, it will. I'm not sure if, I think their staff will be taking that down. In fact, I'm sure they are. I know it's just not allowed. So I have to come down. If the largest letter in the RK miles sign is 10 inches, I mean, viewing 10 feet for every inch of sign, that gives you a viewable distance of a hundred feet. Would that not give you enough distance across the river to do a 10 or a 12 inch sign to replace the billboard? You mean like something Steve will go on the building? That's, that's certainly a decent idea. I think 10 or 12 inches might be a little, a little small. It might read. I would think something the 16 to 18 inch range would definitely read. But that's something that'd be easily, easy to experiment.  I'm not sure if there's enough square footers though left in, in what's allowed to RK miles to do something on that side. Am I wrong about that? I don't have the numbers right in front of me because the sign permit attachment that you included didn't give us the amount of signage allowable on the property based on the district. That part didn't get filled in. It doesn't look like somewhere else on here. I know I worked it out previously, but it's been filed. So I don't have those numbers in my head. So I think, I think you and Trish worked it out and I, I believe we came away thinking that there was no more sort of footage that could be allowed under the current regulations. I'll double check it. Especially if the DRC gives their thoughts on it. But normally, you know, we try to, we try to make sure everything you're asking for goes before them. Okay. I certainly wouldn't object to a sign. It was read of all on, out on Berrymont Pillar Road. What we could do would be to give the option of adding an additional sign similar to the ones you're putting up with RK miles with a maximum letter size of 16 inches subject to the allowance of total square footage. Great. That'd be super. We're actually doing something like that for St. John's Bear in their application. There is a sign that has a similar viewing distance. And I think it's, we drew a sign that's like two feet tall by 23 feet wide. And the copy is about that size that I just mentioned. So we kind of have a sign drawn up that could do it. But it'd be great. I'm sure they'd be thrilled if that was a possibility. Well, I think that, you know, that's a big, a big side of the building. Yeah. A sign there makes a lot of sense to me. Me too. There's always been one there. So it's like, did you try to buy a look across and you go, okay, I get it. It's certainly less, a little less imposing than the build board. The build board is definitely a build board. It's one of the few left in Vermont. Well, that's great. So what's the size of the sign in St. John's Berry? I think it's about two foot tall and about 23 feet wide with copy that is approaching 20 to 16 to 20 inches. I don't forget. I don't remember, but it's a one-liner too. So instead of having RK miles in their typical logo fashion, we've taken just the RK miles, individual letters and made them all the same size, you know, in a one-line kind of approach. I'm curious, does the build board, does it say Allen Lumber? I guess I can't visualize it. It does. It says Allen Lumber and it also says, let me see, it also, yeah, it just says Allen Lumber. It also advertises their showroom. Okay. I can kind of show it to you. It's right where my finger is. Oh yes. Okay. Yeah, that is a big one. Okay. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, it's a nice facade. I could easily handle a sign. Yes. The cow might have to move over a little bit to make room, but that's a big cow right there. Oh yeah. I'm curious, what the story is of the cow? I did ask that question. It did not get a straight answer, so I don't know. I think you might have just shown up there one day. That's not considered a sign, so. Correct. I actually believe Allen Lumber paid to have it painted there. Okay. Saki, what is the material of your signs? It's a, it's a, it's a kind of newer product. It's aluminum that's sandwiched with an acrylic core. It's called, one of the manufacturers is called Daibon. It's a, it's a nice material. It's a, it allows, you know, it's a lightweight material, which is its only problem. It doesn't, you know, you can't use it in heavy duty, like wind, windy areas, but it's a decent material. It's going to last a long, long time and it's, it's kind of, it's inexpensive compared to other ways of preparing sign faces. But if you want to look at it, so basically it's two aluminum pieces with a, with a core of acrylic. Okay. And the letters are, are painted on or glued on? So in all these, these formats, they have chosen to have the lettering, the large lettering for RK Miles. The RK Miles portion of it is going to be cut out of like a half inch or three quarter of a sign foam. The lower copy is all painted on the surface and the blue is a painted surface. So it's an all painted sign basically. So we show all weather and about the same speed. Okay. Thank you. So there will be some, I'm sorry, go ahead. Just a quick question. The one size sign was 40 inches high by 86 inches long. Yes. What was the size of the larger lettering on that sign, the Miles? That's, that's the one that's big with it. There's two signs that are that size. It's the north and south sign. So it's, they're both closing in on 10 inches tall. Okay. The one that, that goes over the front door, those letters are six and a half inches tall for the M and four inches tall for the R. If you were proposing one for the, to be viewed across the river, what would be on the sign just RK Miles or RK Miles building materials? I think it'd be just RK Miles and it would be on a blue background with white copies. So it could actually be seen from across across the river. Individual cut out letters is another way to do it. But I think their branding is pretty strong in the blue world. And so I think they probably would prefer to have a blue background until where they applied white copy. The contrast makes it very readable. It's exactly. Yeah. This is so much that most of the signs we review are downtown, where it's a very different situation. And this is a big building. Yeah. You know, and new people looking for it are going to have a hard time if there's not a sign on the river. Well, I would agree. I would agree with you. We, we assisted with Caledonia spirit spirits in Bar Hill. And so that we were trying to get their logo big enough to be facing across the river. And it is recognizable and very viewable from across the river. They chose to go with their logo versus going with a copy. With 16 inch lettering, what would be the largest sign size to accommodate that? Say two feet or three feet by what? Well, I mean, so if it's 16 inches tall, I think that the the background of the sign panel would need to be at least two feet, maybe two feet change, maybe 30 inches, something like that. So, but I mean, if there's, if there's, if the town is going to give more space to them, I'm sure that they would, they would be, they would love it. For example, if you went from a, from a 16 inch letter, which is, this is this, which is, you know, good size letter to a 20 inch letter, which is this, then you'd probably want to have a more like a 30 inch plaque behind it. I could actually send you over the drawing that we've done for, for St. Johnsbury. It's, you know, it hasn't been approved yet, but it's done and we can send it so you can see what that looks like. And the relationship of, of that, the distance, you know, across the railroad tracks over Hill and Dale is the same kind of thing. Well, what we could do would be to, as long as it's the same motif as the other RK mile signs, we could just give you an option to add a sign on that size, say up to 30 inches by 20 feet, subject to the limitations on the site. Okay. That'd be great. It might be a little bit wider than 20 feet. It might be more like 23, 24 feet. And it would be made in sections and just be basically, you know, you take these, these sections and put them up, you know, in each section, but across the river, you'd never see that. And then again, a 16 inch letter is actually visible from probably 160 feet according to the one inch or 10. Right. If you were to walk out of Shaw's supermarket door and look across the river or across the street, across main street, so the Sarducci sign is very readable from that distance. And that's 200 and some odd feet and their signs 12 inches high. Oh, really? Good to know. Great. So, okay. So then this, these parameters sound good. I think, I think anywhere in that range would work. Am I, you know, certainly my experience with, with distance reading, especially if you're in a car driving by, you get that kind of that one glance at it. And so I think the, in some respects, the bigger it is, the better for that potential to read well. For example, the letter that it was currently on that billboard, the A has got to be, oh, the A's got to be, I don't know, 30 inches tall a bit. I didn't go, I didn't go out and measure it because you'd actually fall on the river if you tried to go out and measure that things. Pretty steep bang there. Sparky, this is Meredith. So I just did some quick calculations. And maybe there was a, maybe between Trish and Audra, there was some debate as to what, how we factored in the wall signage allowance. Okay. But based on what I just did, if the numbers off that site plan, if I got those right, you're looking at over a hundred square feet of wall signage allowance.  Yes. Or, well, there's the, yeah, because customer parking is directional, so that wouldn't count towards total wall signage. So you've got, what, two 24 square feet and one 10 square feet? Yeah. So that gives you room for another sign on the back to face the river, for sure. Right. How much square footage is left? If my numbers are right, and I want to go back over with Trish, but I think they have a total allowance of 135 square feet, and they've used less than 75, they've used less than 60 square feet. Cool. Because you're taking off all the other signage. We are, yeah. Right. Is the, is the, hold on, there's the, what's that one there in the end? The north end?  Nice share screen. There was the, like, the showroom sign. Is that actually on? That's gone, yeah. Okay. That's gone too. Then, yeah. Actually, RKMOS did not want it. They didn't figure they needed it. And then, this is a great conversation because we, it ended being that someday they'll talk about a sign that could go across the river and ask for a variance. So this is great to be bringing this up. Yeah. I'll, I'll make sure that Trish and I are really, really clear on what counts as a facade, because she and I had this conversation about Caledonia spirits, but I think she, Audra, discussed it about the RK miles location versus Trish and me. So sometimes that's comes out. Okay. Awesome. Thank you. So if the total is 135 less 60, that gives you 75 square feet remaining. Yeah. That sounds about right. That seems like plenty of square footage for what we're trying to do. Okay. And again, we'll give that as an option. Okay. So you, you can do it, but you're not required to, certainly. Wait for the one, the one in St. John'sbury is actually, you know, more like 50, 60 square feet. So this is, this is great. This would work great. Thanks, Eric, for bringing this up. Does anyone have any other questions, comments or suggestions? Do any of the other committee members regarding the sign application? I have a question for down the road. RK Moses chosen not to talk much about lighting these signs. And I was going to return to them and suggest that at least the signs that is, is on the south entrance should have lights on because that, you know, it's dark by four o'clock right now. Um, so I, uh, is there anything that that would prohibit them from having, lighting on the shed above the main entrance on the south side? Not, not, not the entrance door, but the actual, the shed wall. What kind of lighting would you suggest? Well, I think I would certainly, this is the location I'm speaking about here. I would suggest basically an LED fixture that is, this is singular fixture that we've used a lot of.  It'd be easy to, to light that, that wall in the sign below it very nicely. So, and the fixtures about you, about yay by yay, it's just, it's not huge, but it has a, you know, it's, it's, it's a delightful fixture in that the lightest is not blue. It's kind of nice, it's got a nice warm white to it. Um, and it just reads very well. Would that be a single gooseneck? Yes, it would be.  They're also a heck of a lot more expensive too. So just a single black gooseneck with an LED bulb? Yes, and it's about seven inches by five inches by three inches is the fixture itself. And I can easily send, send photographs of what it looks like at night, and where it looks like in the daytime. So for the, for the zoning permit part outside of the design review part, I would need to get a copy of the specs and information on how many lumens the bulb would be emitting and what other light fixtures are on the site, because that'll trigger it over into, because changing the light fixtures triggers it into an administrative site plan permit. Right, right. So I will ask them that question. I'm not sure what their plans are for the rest of the lighting. The only other, you know, with the front door is there, they'll change the bulb and there's already, you know, sort of a cam light there. So this is the only location. I don't think the north side would really warrant it, but I don't know what they're going to be doing for sort of ground lighting or wall lighting. So I'll ask that question. Awesome. Meredith, could we give the option for a single gooseneck subject? Yeah, you can do that under the approval. Yeah, you can do that as a design review approval, and then that way that'll roll over. I think that works well. I was just trying to figure out a way to do it, so he didn't have to come back. Yep, exactly. You can do that and then we can always, we'll just roll it in and hold off on the actual permit for a little bit till we get the details on the light. Okay. Any other committee members have any suggestions regarding the lighting? I just want to make a comment. I'm not usually an advocate for signs, but this is such a huge building that I think it looks silly without good signage. Well, to your point, Eric, I think now that I've heard that there might be 75 square feet remaining, I would be thinking about going back to the main sign of the south entrance and increasing the size of that sign, because it is the main entrance. The north side I think is fine, but that particular sign could grow and be maybe a better fit in terms of scale on that big shed building, so that's a good point. In other words, instead of having 40 inches by 86 inches, maybe it becomes five foot by eight and a half feet or something like that, because I think that would certainly be closer to the size of the existing sign that's there. We were under the impression that we could not exceed 24 square feet for any one sign, so we scaled it down. Rod, I don't want to say I approve anything that's against the regulations, but it's a big building, it's a big operation. And so, Sparky? Just figure if you increase the size of that sign, it reduces what's remaining for the sign over the river. Yeah, what I thought I'd do, Steve, is kind of figure out that sign first and see what would be necessary for that to really read and see if there's anything left open, if there's any square footage left over. So, Sparky, just a reminder that for each individual, so you have your total wall sign allowance, right? Total wall sign, but for each individual sign, you have to look at the facade on which it is being placed, and a sign can only, the max width of each individual sign is 80% of that one facade. Gotcha. So, you do have, especially with your narrower facades on some of these signs, your width is reduced. Got it, thank you. I don't think we're approaching those margins, though. I don't think so either. I just wanted to throw that out there. Okay, but Mary, so we're not limited to 24 square feet for any one individual sign, it sounds like. It's basically, you get 135 square feet, you slice it and dice it how what best works for the building, okay. What's the designated location for that sign you're thinking of enlarging? It's on the south entrance, it's this one right here. Okay. Right now, there's an existing sign that's just very large. It's just, what's there right now? Yeah, here you go. Right. Yeah. So, right now, that would look, let's see, that's, you said it's a south facade, so that is, oh. Yep. What's the size of this, Sparky, what's the size of the Allen Lumber sign that's there now? Let me see, it is, let me see. The small sign is 31 inches by eight feet. The signable for Allen Lumber is actually 52 inches tall by about 10 feet wide, it's a big sign. So, this one that's going up there would be pretty small by comparison. Yeah, I don't think the one that's there is too big. So, I agree, I totally agree. What we can do is just say, you could increase the size of the proposed sign at that location to up to the size, the square footage of the existing sign. Sounds fair to me. But then you have to balance that out with the size of the sign facing over the river. Correct. And of the two, of the two choices, the one over the river would really have to read well, otherwise it'd be kind of a mistake. And so, I think that I would pay attention to that first.  So, a three foot by 25 foot sign would give you 75. Right, and it's possible that that sign could, you know, I'm gonna just look at it and see if it can be more like a two foot by 20 foot sign and still do it to its job. Because you don't really need that much more square footage. You need another four or maybe eight square feet to make the south side sign similar in size to what's already there. Now, what this probably means, I mean, we can read in the next couple of days, we can certainly redraw these concepts. And then we need to resubmit the whole proposal back to you. Just to me. Just to you, okay. Just to me. So, again, it can be administratively approved, so you don't have to come back before another meeting. Okay. Does anyone else on the committee have any, again, comments, questions, or suggestions? If not, I can start going through the criteria. There's a criteria sheet that all the projects are evaluated by. Okay. One, under all projects, one, exterior design and materials of new construction or alterations on existing buildings. They'll be consistent and compatible with the characteristics of the existing building and other properties in the district. Additions to existing buildings shall respect and be comparable with the size, scale, materials, detailing additions, including science, shall not obscure or undermine a central forming character of the original building. It should reflect the additions. The style is appropriate and that's acceptable. And then there's some one down below for signage. And this has to do with removing a sign. When removing a sign, evidence of the science installation must be removed to the greatest extent possible, and that's acceptable. And most of these locations, you're replacing an existing sign with a new sign. Steve, does that mean, for example, repainting a background if there's shadowing or anything left over? Okay. Okay. As much as possible. Okay. And in certain spots, you certainly have to look at the and in certain spots, you're certainly finding fading from age and sunlight. And there's another that would apply in this particular outdoor lighting fixtures, including lighting of the sign. Structural design of outdoor lighting is compatible with the architectural design and function of the building. And the lighting for the sign, the goose neck, is acceptable in that location. Okay. And then there's specific to signs. There's a set of the evaluation criteria. The size, location, design, color, texture, lighting, and material of all exterior signs within the design review district shall be compatible with the buildings and structures of the site and surrounding properties. That's acceptable. Where appropriate signing shall respect the original sign placement and sign bands on historic structures. The location here is acceptable and you're replacing many of the locations where there's an existing sign. It's recommended that sign placement be centered over entries, acceptable. Sign installation shows damage to character defining materials on the building. That's certainly acceptable here. Sign design, color and typography shall respect historic precedents where appropriate and shall be of the appropriate scale for existing and new buildings. That's acceptable. Sign support structures shall be compatible with the building architecture and must not be overly complex or dominant in and of themselves. That's acceptable. Lighting fixtures for signs on facades of historic buildings shall not conflict with or damage the building's architectural integrity or cover or impact character defining architectural features. That's acceptable. And then lighting fixtures for signs matter on all building for the site shall be designed with appropriate housing shielding and photometrics to ensure that there is appropriate lighting levels and illumination that focuses on the sign panels exclusively acceptable with a gooseneck. And that's acceptable. So based on the application and the review and again the options for the applicant are to install a single black gooseneck with an LED bulb subject to administrative approval. There's also an option to increase the sign at the entrance to a size not to exceed the existing Allen Lumber sign which is again 52 inches by 10 feet. And then there's also the option to put a sign on the side of the building facing the river so that it's again within the overall limits of sign square footage and against subject to administrative approval. All in favor of the application based on those speak your names. This is Martha. I say yes. Yes. Yes. Hannah says yes. Eric says yes. Ben says yes. And Steve says yes. So it is approved. Well done. That was the very education you guys are throwing good. Thank you. So Sparky I will get you those recommendation forms that Steve walked through and you'll see where his signature is on them. We'll need your signature or somebody else from Wooden Woods on that to confirm that you agree with the recommendations and the changes and then we'll finalize the lighting details and any sign changes that comply with those recommendations once we get that all squared away we'll be able to issue the permit but we need to get those details. We would need to submit to you probably drawing a front side profile of the light fixture as well as the other changes as well so more drawings will be coming your way. Perfect. Great and I would think before the end of this week we can get you what we just talked about. Okay great. And just I guess I can get back to Amanda at RKMOS does that what is it the timing process in terms of days or weeks before they would get permits? Hopefully it would just be a few days we're we're in a little bit of flux I mean next week is Thanksgiving week and we're also with the latest news on COVID we're shifting to a lot fewer staff in the office at any one time are hoping to still be working the same number of days but with people flexing between being here and being home. So we'll do the best we absolutely can but the permit issuance is through a computer program so sometimes if that's having hiccups and the computer you know the program guru isn't here it really it takes a little bit. So as far as fees go is there I know there'd be a fee for another sign on this on the river side but it's going to be an increase in fees there but then the light fixture is there a fee that would come with life fixture? We can follow up with that via email but there is that's going to because that's going to trigger administrative site plan I think I've got to go back to the fees and see what Audra charged that might be an added fee but I just I need to go into the the program and see what was charged to begin with. Okay sounds fair great great well thank you so much and thanks for thinking outside the box it's just really helpful for these folks. Well I know that they're moving in they're opening their doors I guess tomorrow so it'd be helpful to have a sign indicating who's really there now. Yeah it's interesting they they uh they're not terribly worried about it because they think the transition is something that they're they're comfortable with you know L number and the arching mouse kind of living you know kind of as kind of one for a while but uh they were they're very they're very patient very thoughtful so they did more eliminating of signs than they did adding so that was I thought that was good too. Like I said before probably many of the customers aren't going to notice that there are no signs there. They're going to come regardless of a sign or not yeah that's great. Well thank you Sparky it's good to see you again. Nice to see you too. Nice meeting you. Nice meeting you too. And good luck with your projects. Thank you very much Frisa and if you're ever in Waitfield just knock on the door we'd love to have you guys come in and see our our candy store so. Okay thank you. Okay all right thanks a lot. All right to review the minutes for the November the second meeting has everybody had a chance to look at those minutes? Yeah I'd move approval. Yeah I had a question um when we're talking about the skinny pancake situation the last line there it would be concealed to blend into the background of the building. I wasn't really clear about what that means um I think it would be more appropriate to say that the applicant anticipates that it could be painted to go to blend in um concealed this kind of um it's not clear about what they're actually anticipating. Yep sorry uh that's a good that's a good suggestion. Way at the bottom. It's been a while since I've looked at these um yes painted be painted to blend into the background. Yeah. Yes that sounds much better and certainly more accurate. The other just minor point that I would suggest you guys consider is these minutes I missed it um has been in as an alternate he's no longer an alternate so congratulations then. So I think that I'll move that that should be eliminated his reference as an alternate. Do I need to second that? Yeah why don't you? Yes. Otherwise I will. He's easily approved. What is it the legislature does by unanimous consent right? Yes and so the minutes minutes are approved? Well with those two changes I I approve. Okay so you've made your motion and do I hear second? I second. Okay good all in favor of the minutes with those changes speak your names. Eric. Martha. Miss. Hannah. Steve. It's unanimous. Meredith have you heard anything about the skinny pancake? Haven't heard anything back yet I know that they're conferring with Montpelier Alive about what to do you know what they might be able to do on that new vent location um and but I don't know if they've gotten confirmation that that would work um technically that location so I haven't heard anything back from them yet. Thank you. You're welcome. Oh Eric I just realized I think we forgot to put the HPC CLG grant update in other business I'm sorry that was my oversight I didn't know if just a reminder I didn't know if you wanted to bring that up. Go ahead you can update it you know more about it. Eric are you Eric Steve are you ready for other business? Yes that's the next thing on the agenda so go right ahead. Okay um so uh we are the HPC is working on their um on a grant application we're we're close to getting that filed to get some money for a consultant to work on the design review guidelines so that's the big step the application deadline for that is December 7th um you know if if we get that grant approved and can pull together under other funding then working on those design review guidelines would probably move forward pretty rapidly um so any input you have on that in the next you know month or two would really be helpful especially if there's particular um sections of the design review guidelines that or design review regulations that you would prefer to prioritize in developing guidelines like do you want guidelines for all projects do you want guidelines focusing on windows and doors first because there's a possibility that we'll only get enough funding to do part of the project at a time and have to do it in stages in which case we would want to do the illustrated guidelines for the things that um either you have the most trouble you know figuring out with the new regulations or you think that um applicants would have the most trouble figuring out and I mean Steve and Ben I think you have a lot of experience with that is looking at it from applicants perspectives um and trying to explain things to lay people so if you could look at it with that eye that would be really helpful um you know monies monies tight these days um in city government so I am anticipating that probably will need to do this in stages um so any thoughts you have on that would be great and any if there's any buildings that you think are amazing examples of design here in Montpelier or bad examples in other towns let us know because we're gonna want to take photographs um to illustrate the guidelines as much as possible and we don't want to put up any bad what we think are bad projects in Montpelier we want to go somewhere else to get those we don't want an applicant coming in front of us to and looking at the guidelines and seeing their own building and there's a bad example of design that's not good PR well I I think tonight was and it would it might reflect on bad mistakes from previous design review development review committees I thought tonight was a really good example of how constructive design review can be and you know a good example and we got to remember it that if we need a letter or anything from Sparky just because everybody made good suggestions on those signs I mean it would I think it made a difference we just didn't rubber stamp it or anything a little customer testimonial on the design review committee absolutely all we could use all the good PR we get to yeah that's right yeah a yelk review does anyone have any other business at this point here I hear a motion to adjourn so moved Eric says I'll say yes okay all in favor in favor of adjournment speak your names Eric yeah oh you're muted Ben Ben and Steve some meeting is adjourned thank you Steve thank you everybody good to see you have a good thanksgiving we won't meet again in number seven okay go harvard day okay thanks thank you thank you bye bye


It's not the one beside the canal by that, that's church, which is further up to Chester canal by that, that's church which is further south. So you have been over the boat. And you've also been over the road one which is further up. We are now about to cross the world-famous Contipus of the Aqueduct, one of only three World Heritage sites. Well, thank you very much.


I'm studying this far from home because I like it here. I did some research on how Holland looks and it was really interesting and inspiring as well. Our country doesn't provide this kind of education in the way they're giving the study to us, as well as game design is really interesting and why not. It is a good idea to study abroad is because you meet a lot of different people as well as nationalities and that's always an adventure and it's really nice to know what other people do in their home countries as well. That's new acquaintances that you would love to have in your life, why not. Opportunities ahead this far are meeting game programmer and the game jam which was really interesting. He has his own company and he was like we like how you work. If you want a new third year you can come for the how do you call those internships as well as I met all my teachers and they love working with me. I always ask questions I'm not really shy to be honest and it's amazing you meet all kinds of people in this study and those people are you gonna be a co-worker in the future. Would I have the same experience if I was in my country? To be honest no I wouldn't because people they're like very closed kind of and everybody is used to being solo working on everything by themselves and I don't believe in that I believe working in teams as well so no definitely not. The cultural differences here weren't that big there there's a little bit but it's you can get used to it really fast and the moment you surround yourself with around around touch people you can see how accepting they are and they help you a lot I have learned a lot of words and it's really nice to be able to speak the language and after a year I'm definitely going to try to speak it. My goal is and in this study me passing all everything as possible as much as possible me after graduating going in a big company gaming company and maybe League of Legends World of Warcraft something like that adventure games RPGs and I want to be the lead artist if possible if not I'm gonna strive for it. The city is helping me to reach my goal really easily because they're giving us all the information that we need we just need to sit down and and start studying and doing everything that we're told because they're giving us everything 3d 2d animation how to sell your product presentations which is kind of new for the study because it's a new study but it's really good and really helpful


Welcome back to The Breakfast on PLOS TV Africa. It's time to share with you what happened today many years ago in history. And I'm going back to the year 2014. It was on this day that a particular football coach ended his time in Manchester United. David Moyes was sacked on this day just after 10 months in charge of Manchester United. It was a tough time for Manchester United fans all across the world. Both dead and alive. Even the ones who... It was just a totally stressful time for Manchester United fans.  Right after Sir Alex Ferguson left that position, he had been there for about 27 years. And after winning the league in 2012, I believe, decided that it was time for him to retire. There was many conversations about who will possibly take over from Sir Alex Ferguson. And somehow, some way, miraculously, nobody knows where this decision came from or how this was thought through. But David Moyes was picked to replace Sir Alex Ferguson. I'm not even going to read the script. I'm just going to share with you. We played 51 games and won 27. One drew 9 or rather lost 9 and sorry, won 27 years, lost 15 and drew 9 games. We, at that time, finished 7th in the 2013-2014 season. We're not able to qualify for the Champions League or the Europa League. Total mess. That's what Manchester United was at that time. But it was on this day that the board, the Glaser Brothers at that time, decided that it was time that they let David Moyes go. And he was eventually replaced with Luis Van Gaal. If you remember, David Moyes was, you know, before he was appointed Manchester United coach. He was a coach of Everton Football Club. He was awarded £5 million in compensation after he was sacked. And a lot of times, you know, all through this 10-1 period, nobody really believed in his capabilities as a coach of one of the biggest football teams in the world. Yeah, I'm really just sharing the story from my heart. I really don't think you have to go through a writer. I can sense the passion. It's fine. I understand how... Goodbye, sir. I remember also when he was appointed, his daughter changed her Twitter bio to daughter of New Manchester United manager. New Manchester United manager. Man, you know, and we've been through a lot. We've been through a lot as a coach since Alex Ferguson left. We've been through a lot. It's been tough times, you know. So it's been David Moyes to lose Van Gaal to Jose Mourinho. And then, of course, currently, Oligona Socha. You know, in the interim period, Ryan Geeks has also had to step in as an interim coach in the period. But one of the worst times was... Put your hand on your chest and say, we will be fine. We'll be absolutely fine. We're doing pretty well now, though. Pretty well. All right. Let's talk about Earth Day. April 22nd of every year is celebrated as Earth Day. And on this day in history, in 1970, the world celebrated the first ever Earth Day in the United States of America. So Earth Day, in case you're just hearing it for the first time, is an event to increase public awareness of the world's environmental problem. Now, millions of Americans, you know, participated in rallies and educational programs, you know, across the country to create awareness for the state of environmental degradation that we're seeing and calling for people to put hands together to save the Earth, save the planet, and save the environment, you know, basically creating environmental awareness.  Number one, you can reuse, you can recycle, you can reduce waste, right? So you can cut down where you can throw away, you know, just like basically three hours to conserve natural resources, reduce, reuse, recycle. You can volunteer for cleanups. I know when we talk about environmental sanitation, lots of people rather just be in their house because of their last night activities as hurricane. So you can actually, you know, volunteer on the weekends.   So you can volunteer to clean up the environment. You can educate people on the importance of natural resources and the importance of the environment.  It hurts me so bad when I see people drink, you know, bottled water or whatever it is, and they throw it out from the window of buses from their cars. I just want to ask them, did you put a trash bin there? You're throwing that sachet water from your car. Did you put a trash bin on the road? It pisses me off so bad. I am such an anti-literine advocate. Don't do that. Well, I think there's so much, you know, if we're serious about saving the earth, we've also had to see little signs and we've probably have been seeing these signs for a long time of how Mother Earth can one day just get upset and wipe off, you know, 100,000 people. You know, but we've also, there's a lot that needs to be done, you know, aside from not throwing away plastic on the roadside, aside from not blocking our gutters and all of that with waste, there's so much.  And we do that, we're responsible. Yeah, and this is so-called Megacity Lagos Island. It's a mess. So quickly, let me wrap up the list, Osara Gay, really, we'll run out of time. Use less water, right? I know we love the shower, we like to just, you know, be under it and pretend we'll all be unseen, you know, sing our heart out. We can use less water, you know, that would really go a long way into preserving wastewater and we can shop wisely, we can buy less plastic. I know lots of Nigerians, we all have that cabinet, we all have that nylon that has so many nylon in the house. I do, trust me, it's a whole bag. So I'm guilty, we're guilty. So we can use less plastic or we can recycle. Plant a tree, you know, plant a tree, if you have, you know, if it's your own house, your own compound, I'm very sure your landlord will be happy about that. Plant a tree, you know, it's great for the environment.  It reduces, you know, greenhouse gas emissions. Also, you can buy secondhand, you can buy secondhand clothes. Those are great for the environment as well because it takes about 700 gallons of water to grow enough cotton to make just one T-shirt. So, you know, recycle. Buy secondhand clothes instead of heading to the mall to buy new clothes, you know, flex on the ground. You can buy secondhand clothes, shopping secondhand clothes, really secondhand games, toys, things like that really helps for the environment.  It's fantastic.  You can read this up online. It's Earth Day today, April 22nd every year. Do something today to protect the environment. If you're in the habit of throwing things out of the car on the road, you can try to stop that today. Thanks and God bless you. And listen to Michael Jackson's Earth Song today to commemorate it. Anyway, we're going on a short break when we come back. Our first major conversation for today is back to talking security. What happens after Idris... Derby. Derby, I was going to say Elba. Idris Derby's death, you know, and of course what must be done to save, you know, the West African Surveyor and Nigeria also from an overflow of these Malaysia groups. Stay with us.


Everybody forced here ripping the sports card Almanac ultra high-end multi-sport volume 10 This is case break number three one sec guys one sec. So yeah Ultra high-end multi-sport volume 10 case break number three. This is a live hit draft style break We're gonna do two randoms to start off the first random is going to determine which case number we're gonna open We have eight remaining case. We've done two breaks so far and then the second is to determine our draft order So how this is gonna go we'll open up the The case there's be ten boxes. There's ten cards and or memory cards or memorabilia and Then we'll have the drafters pick in order Their item from the break Two minutes per pick I have the time on my phone I'll be communicating verbally as always and then I'll be typing and chat as well I'm looking at YouTube and twitch chat when you're making your pick Please include your order number or your zip code either one works for us. We just need to verify that you are you No influencing the drafts and no discussing card values during this break do it in between breaks guys Just don't do it during the break very simple and I Think that covers it right I Just feel like I'm missing something because anything else. I'll let you know as we go I guess so good luck everybody. Let's do our randoms here. That's a for Hair twos four times. Oh Before I do the random if someone's not here to make their pick. I will make it for them We're not responsible picking the perfect card for somebody But yeah, give everyone their two minutes And we yeah, we always encourage people to be here of course But it's not always possible for people to be here at this time So there we go two and two four times in each random. This is for case number. So we've ripped cases three and four so far all right one two three and four case six case six Wait so you guys see how Blake draws is six and then four times on the draft order after the fourth click One through ten is the order here So good luck one two three and Good luck for Brian s you with the first pick Bernie with pick two Gabriel C at three Kirk B for John a five Hilton number six Brian s tea But number seven William L eight Joe L nine and Gabriel C Ten they're all move it over here See it bigger and bolder one through ten Good luck everybody. Let's get started Joe L is just top or bottom every every every every time Six right? Why do I always question myself here? Because I think it's usually the Like the top order we'll grab it And I get I'm like, oh, but I'm ready for once.  It's Blake's six It looks like it looks like the Pokemon unknown all servers You got a great rich make the all-servers t-shirt Here we go. Do I do I need to ban anybody? It's a bit early for that. I don't know what this is. I don't do I know oh I don't know. Okay. Yeah, you have no idea All right, I didn't show you this one Surprise surprise Okay, 2020 triple threads Deca threads auto relic combo What's it numbered to it's numbered five out of ten?   That's wild and Walker Bueller Do no phase That's crazy. And again five out of ten the number is on Glaber's arm Yes, and it is a licensed product that comes from tops triple threads. Yes tops triple threads Great young players right there Yes, it is sticker auto. Yeah, it is a sticker auto I don't think I've seen any of these on card nor will you ever good start pretty good only 10 Cardinal spot in the Marlin. Yes St. Louis Marlins Triple.  That's coming out kind of soon soon ish. Yeah, it is.  Whoo, man. That's nice, too 2020 Bowman Chrome Bobby with jr. Yellow refractor auto PSA 9 number 36 or 35 of 75 first Bowman yellow auto Bobby with jr. Bobby Hey Babu Frick jr. First Bowman auto Caleb likes my impression so does Lane Babu Frick jr. Okay, I'm moving on Hey, what's up, Austin? Bobby Frick jr. Oh my god, I can't I'm think that now. I'm ruined. I'm sorry Bobby with juniors ruined for life for me now Okay So many redemptions man instant memorabilia redemption Joe Sheisty burrow.  This is gonna be a fun time I hope you are ready for this one.  Yeah, that's too disgusting.  These are these are authentic helmets guys Cincinnati Marlins That one will come with the box as well. I just didn't pull the box from the back So you will get a box in a bag like all the other helmets when that ships out to you Let's keep it moving Joe Sheisty, yeah, the orange auto is pretty crazy. It looks so good on it, too That Matt really helps the autos a lot. Oh, that's really pretty actually 2020 tops chrome update green sapphire auto Mike trout PSA 10 13 of 50 this greens to 50 not 99 Sapphire chains up their numbering a lot confuses me But that's a sick trout auto to 50 PSA 10 green sapphire 2020 chrome update That's like the one they had that autos and that pulled like a carrot coal out of that yesterday Joe I kind of agree Where the helmet no, then whoever gets it's gonna be like I don't want any more What Joe gets What if we put on I can't get it off? I'm not calling the fire department at 10 p.m. Come on to the car shop my friends My head got stuck in a Joe burrow sign helmet.  All right Dolphins helmet to a That's pretty nasty Just like the burrow You've got the orange on the matte black with the teal dolphin stripe.  It's like a full auto Holy cow, man We're not let's have pickle Rick because it's ready. What's what here he is Pickle Rick pickle Rick isn't this almanac guys. Did you imagine gave away pickle Rick? Oh, no, that's a priceless piece That's not going in on that. I cannot leave. There's no price. That is the shop mascot at this point Shaq and pickle Rick So ridiculous Memorabilia man. Thank you. That's probably the closest thing to a Marlin. We'll see Prop. Oh Yeah, Jake, we absolutely cannot get rid of that We okay Jake is here too. Dang. What are you doing here Jake Jake here? No, no, okay I saw him here earlier. Yeah, those matte helmets are gorgeous. Oh Oh 2021 impeccable Jalen Green impeccable signature or impression signature. Excuse me platinum one of one PSA eight auto a 10 Wow, that's huge Big Jalen Green he's put up numbers this year to balling right now He's putting up them numbers What else I learned about Jalen Green is that he is like only the third NBA player ever to have from my Filipino descent Which is super cool. Rory. You just got to buy in next. Wow Yeah, Jake and Lane almost missed the bus back from David Buster's because of getting the pickle Rick It would have been well worth it. That's true Ubers cost money, but memories are priceless.  I promise I ban rich. I promise that it was I was given the okay to put this in 2011 Bowman chrome prospect auto blue refractor of Bryce Harper bgs 9 5 10 on the auto Subgrades centering 9 edges 9 5 corners 9 5 surface 9 5 and it's serial number 89 of 150 Needless to say as I always do nice brace. I need to take a sip water for this one Okay What's brawndo, what am I missing? If it's Rory talking, it's probably nonsense. It's always like messing with me and Sin redemption memorabilia What was Brady though, that's what I want to know what is Brady Brady What is Brady anyway at Brady? You got a fanatics authentication there. Yeah, it's Tom Brady Jersey. Yeah, Brady Kachuk. I can't remember it Tom Brady Fanatics authenticated Authentic Jersey to definitely Brady Quinn Brady Quinn. Oh boy. That's the super low-end Almanac That's the we pay you to buy Feel really all right. I guess I'll take it. Yeah, that is an authentic Jersey. He's not authentic. It probably say on the tag here No, but yeah, it is an authentic Jersey That Brady oh Marsha Brady, that's what I was thinking. All right We please I'm a redemption card Oh boy, that's cool. That's cool 2018 prism Luca Donchich PSA 9 Red prism there 65 out of 299. Wow, man. This case is pretty wild Love this case Luca rookie red prism PSA 9 Brady Anderson Ultra high-end what I mean, that's an oxymoron Sweet Luca oh My sweet sweet Luca couldn't beat the magic Magic beat him on Wednesday makes me question how good he really is All right, oh That's actually great. Whoa, dude. That's I wore with the pap on this one lane 2020 mosaic black gold choice Justin Jefferson rookie PSA 10 1 of 8 I mean that's as close to Jersey numbers you get on this card. It's either pop one or pop two Black gold choice Justin Jefferson rookie mosaic PSA 10 Dallas Timber sonics. Oh, man, you guys are getting wild now Jay Jeddah's black gold choice Jay Jeddah's All right guys Pop three crazy How should I I was like late I'll just set that one down. I'm not gonna put that on the cards and obviously Also, we're not gonna put back out the Brady Jersey, but just remember that is an option I'll like lay it and so you'll be able to see when I can like pick it up. But like yeah, it's Not really a good way to put that. I'll kind of just put the cards over here then because what seven cards Yeah, I'll give you guys like a view when I pick up the camera here. Okay guys. Let's cut down on the chatter Spots are starting to come in for Almanac for tomorrow night just a couple of spots remaining in the cases I'll just set this down over here. I guess Yeah I guess I Don't know where to put the booklet either This is a crazy case Okay Where are we at? Where are we at? I'll show everything in a second here guys. So again, let's cut down on the chatter And leave it up to the drafters Okay all servers. Yeah, good luck Wow So Brian SU is up with pick number one again guys. No discussing card values. No influencing the draft two minutes per pick Yeah, I'm gonna start it Yes There you go, what is that six? How do I fit all this on the on the screen here? So again, there's a Bobby which you and your first bowman yellow auto there's a 2020 update sapphire trout auto to 50 PSA 10. There's the deca booklet from triple threads There's a to a Brady. There's a to a helmet a Brady Jersey a burrow helmet a Jalen Green a first bowman Bryce Harper I'll look at donjits and a Justin Jefferson. Have a good night, right? See you rich This is a lot going on here. Yeah, not just some servers all servers Again, Brian SU sometimes Julian picks for Brian Let's set it down. This is a lot on this just a little swivel And again when you're making your pick if you want to see something up close let me know in chat and Yeah, when you make your pick includes your Your zip code or order number one minute left Brian SU 3 4 4 5 Yeah, thanks again Julian. Thanks for picking for Brian Going with the Harper Dallas the player on the football jerseys Tom Brady sweet Harper man to 150 Okay, next up two minutes on the clock for Bernie Bernie s pick number two Start that two-minute timer Tom Brady it's upside down this way. It's just kind of like put it there.  He's going to Brady Jersey Congrats Bernie. I see a different zip code Bernie It's close. I just I see a different one. Yeah, it's close to that Thank you Bernie perfect, that's great. That's the one Show it here Brady fanatics authenticated authentic Jersey Thanks again Bernie appreciate it man Reception space next up is going to be Dallas. Yes. This is a hit drive So again Gabriel probably is not here, but I'll give him a few seconds here So Gabriel is on pick number three. He sent us an email saying he probably wouldn't be here But I'll give a few seconds to see another few seconds here. I just like to make sure that They're not like oh, I decided to join Yep, this is a hit drive Toa and burrow. Yeah, burrow and to the black mat both of them both orange in the orange. Yeah, I Don't know which one I like more Really well, too. Yeah, you're trying to be getting those players. I Like to his signature better, but I think I like And it's just because of the stripes. I don't know like it's so tough Okay, so I'm gonna go ahead and pick for Gabriel he has this pick and then he has 10 So that's a bit of last pick that he has here. So Gabriel wants baseball or basketball Best available on those is this Jalen Green 21 impeccable Jalen Green Impression signatures platinum one-of-one PSA 8 auto is a 10 Can you ask Gabriel? There you go Kirk is up now. I said Crick Sorry Kirk Kirk be Two minutes Kirk again if you want to see something up close, let me know You can also move those helmets around so you can see him better if you wish Got the deck of book the trout green sapphire auto. I don't know Sci-fi guy, please No, no Dallas. Well, that's all one card Yeah, that's one card. That's a deco relic auto book But no, they do not get like all the baseball cards if they pick It's okay sci-fi. Yeah, I know you're not sorry I have 10 no one's ever done that No, the auto book is not a one-on-one it is to 10 number to 10 One minute Kirk you have the Cardinals patch in the book Time to write that time Those are all current players Five on the order number. Thank you Kirk congrats on that Luca pick Guys had some some big years this looking like this could be his biggest Rookie Red Prison PSA 9 to 299 nice pick Kirk. Thank you again Kirk appreciate it man John a so This will be Aiden picking got the deck of book Trout Babu Frick jr. Sorry Bobby Whit jr. Justin Jefferson and the Tua and borough helmets Have to get a Frick Babu Frick jersey. That's a Mike trout Going with the Tua fantastic pick You're a 7-7-2-2 Right Yeah Appreciate the pick Aiden. I'm sure John will love this. I'm gonna show this thing again. This thing is too nice This thing is too nice. So again, these are all fanatics helmets. They're authentic That's the Tua right there Yeah, that goes with the card he took in case one I see it. Yeah, there's the trend, right? And again, those all come with the bag and the box and all that stuff Okay Here we go next to Hilton and Adrian right Hilton T pick number six Not 65 six Sorry guys got fat fingers You see him at all night happy place. He might have gotten a concussion, but he's been balling. He's been good PSA seven that booklet they they probably wouldn't slab it on Yeah, of course So all those open the whole thing up again go by panel So again, it's five of ten. We'll start on the numbered side all game used relic autos pita Lonzo Glaber Torres Tatis and Guerrero Don't let's focus. There we go Akunya Soto Belinger Yordan and Flaherty with a crazy cardinal patch and a Walker Bueller. I can't get over that patch though. It's so cool Yeah, Deca relic auto book from 2020 triple threads five of ten Kenzie they actually make case it like booklet cases for it Yeah, you can get the custom like mags like the screw down mags at that depending on what the last two cases of the night Are we might see an example of it? new baseboards Cover like half a wall. Yeah, I mean that's an attention-giving piece though Those deck and they I love bull knows that because so much fun Yeah, yeah, yeah Adrienne going with the trout for Hilton for Hilton Adrian speaking for Hilton going with the trout 2020 update sapphire green to 50 PSA 10 on the auto go fantastic pick that guy's a legend. He's a goat Dallas we acquire them through different auction houses through different like just reaching out to people that we know going to shows Yep, many different ways that we procure the cards just like anybody else would Precure cards basically Brian ST now Brian ST pick seven. All right, Brian ST Three more picks here Cases Five more tomorrow too, let me get you guys the link. There's five more cases tomorrow all with spots left Okay, spots have been coming in though. Yeah a few spots coming in here and there for sure man. It'd be a good Saturday night Okay a minute left for Brian ST. Oh already picking Brian ST is going with the booklet 2 2 3 0 1 Perfect. Thank you Brian congrats on that one man. I'm a sucker for these personally, so that's really cool Five of ten again Slider box now we've got William L pick eight all right Jefferson wit and burrow Two cards one helmet Again, this Jefferson is a black gold choice number one of eight PSA 10 Lane says the pop three Which means those cards are have very good quality control Yellow Bobby Whit jr. First woman out of the 75 PSA nine and then an authentic burrow black matte helmet The orange ink auto love the helmets man, I love that we have mem in this It definitely adds an element that you don't always get with the cards all servers Man one minutes for William L.  I'm just leave it be I want it to happen every time all servers. Yep. I Chat's gonna be dead certain nights all servers gonna pop it early I start chatting. Yes, I say it too though So all right 30 seconds William L if I was at home watching I would a hundred percent be typing all servers It's gonna get insane to we're like you can't read chat. It's just all servers 50 times I'm waiting for all four hundred and sixty people watching today, but 75201 Thank You William Williams going with the Bobby wits Nice wit yellow first bowman 35 a 75 PSA nine guys pretty good, huh? All right, Joe. We know you're here last pick of the break two minutes for you Joe so Arguably the two best players in the 2020 draft arguably I'm saying arguably Jefferson and borough are left a mild amount of servers One quarter of the servers yeah, Joe's going with the Jay Jetta's You got it Joe. Great pick. Congratulations Gabriel at 10. I can't believe it. It's getting this Joe borough authentic Helmets that that case was honestly just pretty crazy. I just gotta be honest. I cannot believe those are the last two things in I Can I personally can I don't know man. I love like everything. Not that there was a wrong choice there and that's just With the hype of borough And how pretty that helmet is I mean hey, I there everyone made great picks. Thanks again everybody. We've got two more cases coming up


save it close it let's check it out and we'll open up the balance sheet run it so now accounts receivable is good as of here right we're still we still have that 450 in place but then we reversed it in the next time frame so that we're back to where we were here so that now the next step that the that the that the client is that our bookkeeping department's going to do for sam the guitar man for example if i go into sam the guitar man and the sales tab customers and then go down to sam uh sam the guitar man so notice we have this outstanding unapplied thing right there that's the point that's very obvious so we if i talk to sam and they comes in and says hey i'm finishing up my sale we can make an invoice and apply that out to it quite easily that's good on the on the accounting or bookkeeping side of things very transparent so then i'm going to go back up and say the other side went to unearned revenue and we could see that straight up nice and easily down here so it was 450 and then we took it back down to zero no impact on the income statement if i look at the sub ledger to the right and i run this again run it again to this is as of 228 so we're good on 228 and then i'm going to bring it on up to 03 31 23 run it and so now we've got all this journal entry stuff happening down here notice it nets each other out 450 450 the 525 the 525 but it doesn't remove itself from the report because it's because it's not like an invoice being connected to the payment the journal entries mess things up because they're not designed to kind of match each other out in the accounting system but again hopefully it's down at the bottom so it doesn't mess anyone up if we see that same thing in here in the customer center it's in the customer tab and we didn't mess up like any of our clients here like sam but we've got the zzz customer down below which isn't really a customer it's that's where all of the junk that we put went if you don't want this sub ledger at all then you could do your adjusting entry to another accounts receivable account just to show the adjusting entry but you can't set it up as an accounts receivable type account because that's what is used to create the sub ledger you'd have to make it as an other current asset account and then you wouldn't need to do this whole thing with the zzz which is only here because QuickBooks won't let us post to accounts receivable without using a customer which is usually good because it forces us to be in balance with the sub ledger but it does cause problems periodically such as with the adjusting entries if necessary to have them all right so that's it that's all we need to do it looks moe be to the end let's go to the tab to the right and look at look at our reports so i'm going to open the hand boogie scroll down and check it out check out the reports let's type in journal look at the journal and uh close in the hand boogie as of 0 228 23 to 0 228 23 these are the adjusting entries we did last time and i'm going to filter them customize up top filter by transaction type and journal run it so these are all the adjusting entries we did these two are not adjusting entries but everything else adjusting entries this is the last one we did last time which is going to be reversed and notice how i'm going to reverse it like like i put the credit i put the order top to bottom like this so it'll be in that order this way as well so it'll have a credit on top i did the same thing for this one i believe which this one is a fairly complex transaction so if i was trying to compare the adjusting entry to the reversing entry it would be easiest in my opinion to have the same accounts from top to bottom as opposed to messing up the order of the debits to have the debits on top and whatnot so let's go up here and say plus the debits on top and whatnot uh what a rhyme rhyme in it okay so the reversing entry i think i messed up and hit and entered it as of the wrong date i think i entered at the end of the year so let me go fix that i'm going to go back on over and say let's go to my unearned and go into yeah i put it in there at the end of the period but the reversing entry should be at the beginning of the period so hopefully i put a note in so you see that i messed up purposely of course oh three oh one 23 okay so after the purposeful mistake let's do it again and check it out run it back and so let's just refresh the screen this way so there we go so i'll close up the hamburger okay so there we have it so now notice i got the credit on top and then the debit so i can compare it so this looks a little bit unnatural if you're used to having debits on top but again comparing it i think works good same thing i did up here we did last time so that one looks a little bit unnatural possibly because the debits are not on top but when you compare it to the adjusting entry i think it's more comparable easily more easy to look at more easy to interpret what happened to distill down the story that happened and if you can format your transactions your adjustments to better remind you of what you did then i think that's more important than having the debits on top okay close open up the hamburger


Hello and welcome everyone to the Pride of India show. We have today with us Nilesh Malani, CMO of PolyCab India. PolyCab is engaged in the business of manufacturing wires, cables, electric fans, LED lights, switches, solar products and many other accessories. Incorporated as a small shop six degrees ago by Mumbai based Jessinghani family, which has migrated from Pakistan. The company's current market cap is rupees 35,000 crores. Welcome to the show, Mr. Malani. Thank you. Thank you, Kanchan. Lovely to have you here. Mr. Malani, please take us through the inception of PolyCab as a brand. So, this all started in the year 1968, wherein with the death of the father, the four brothers, the Jessinghani families came together and started a small shop in Luhar, Chalo, Mumbai. And this is anecdotal, very small 200 square feet shop where they were selling their electrical goods. And from there, the journey began in terms of how they brought this entire business argument to such a big business. Later on in 1975, they opened up a small factory in Dheri, M.I.D.C. and started manufacturing cables and wires. So, while they were learning, they gradually started the manufacturing process.  In the year 1996, the brand PolyCab got established and it's 25 years now with the brand. In 1990, we got listed as a brand on stock exchange. That's how the journey has been around. So today, we have close to more than 165,000 retailers, more than 4,000 distributors across the country. And we sell and export to more than 100 countries globally. That's really great. What were the major challenges when that PolyCab faced in the beginning? Well, I think in those years, the industry was very unorganized. And I think the family really struggled because the capital was limited, the resources were limited, the manpower was limited. I think the family really worked hard establishing that relationship with the trade. And the most important bit was that they had to leave their education and come to the business. And learning on the job is very difficult and getting the nuances of the product which they want to manufacture, how to sell, where to sell, all those things came on the job. And I would say that was the most difficult part and phase in the beginning of PolyCab where the initial years just went into understanding how to manufacture, where to sell, what to sell and what kind of quality to make. And the way the infrastructure was there that time in terms of logistics challenges, traveling. So there was not enough infrastructure in those days. So all these hurdles, I think the family kind of had to withstand those issues and challenges and then come to the position where they are. And of course, investment I guess. Yeah, so we didn't have any initial investors in this journey and it was all organic and homegrown. So they earned from the business and they reinvested in the business. So that was big things, you know the family did. And how has been the business journey of PolyCab? So in the current context, I think on year on year, if you see our track record in the last five years, we have been growing very handsomely, whether in terms of over the top line, the bottom line, as well as market share. We are kind of establishing our leadership position in the cables and wires segment and the same time strengthening our position in the FMEG sector. And looking at the way in the last six years we have grown in FMEG year on year with more than 30 to 40% CAGR and getting share from competitors. The journey is going excellent. The future plans of course, very, very strong. So overall things are looking very bullish and great. How is the FMEG sector in India evolved over the last 25 years since your brand took shape? So we are a very new player in the FMEG category. It's been just six years and we have gone ahead with leveraging our strength on technology and our in-house manufacturing capabilities. The most important thing is if you see the last six years journey for PolyCab has been very, very interesting. While we were good in always manufacturing of cables and wires and then when we took those products to the market our relationship with the trade and the network was one of the big pillars for succeeding in the FMEG sector. We leverage that association and then we have we have embedded our in-house capability whether it is fans, LEDs, switches or switch gears. All the manufacturing capabilities are in ours and that gives us a competitive advantage to basically give the best products or technologically high-end products to the consumers at the same time ensuring that we are always upping a game in the market in terms of advancements in technology. So whether it is R&D, whether it is innovation, we are bringing the best products in the market and which are in line with the consumer demand. Today if you see the journey which you asked about the last 25 years, those were the days where we had regular bulbs and tube lights. Today the entire system in the last five, seven years has shifted to LEDs. People are now seeking basically designer lights. They want lights which are smart in terms of sensor-based lights. They want IoT products in their home where you can operate the home from anywhere, any part of the world on your phone. So newer technologies are coming in, newer so consumers have more disposable income. They want to make their house better. Earlier the focus only was on aesthetics. Today the focus is aesthetics plus technology together and this is wherein we bring in our new product called HOHM which is home for it's a part of the smart automation category wherein you can control the entire house with a click up a button on phone, whether it is a light, whether it is a fan, whether it is a curtain, whether it is door locks which are security door locks, CCTV cameras, everything can be controlled by phone and you can control those things from wherever you are. So such is the technology which is there. When you see what we see going forward is within the fans of technology. Today if you see the problem is that consumers think fan doesn't require much energy and they think it doesn't cost much to even if the fan is running people are not really bothered. If the television is on they will definitely switch off but if fan is running they are okay with it even if it is not used. So energy conservation doesn't come in mind when the fan is still running but they would be surprised to know that a single fan in a single room if it operates for close to 15 hours a day it consumes approximately 200 rupees worth of energy which is big. So PolyCab has introduced BLDC fans, PolyCab BLDC fans which are energy saving fans which saves up to 60% of electricity. So the way revolution had come in LED where the entire ecosystem got changed from a regular earlier CFL bulbs to LEDs, similar revolution we anticipate to will happen in the fans saturday where consumers would be okay to shell out a little more for a good quality product but in the long term normally a life cycle of a fan is anywhere between 5 to 7 years people go on for aesthetics and color change and they redo their houses or invade their houses or buy a new house. So within that 5 to 7 years actually if you buy a BLDC fan it is basically within 2 years you get back your money back in terms of savings in electricity. So these are new concepts the motor is getting changed from electrical to electronics so a lot of changes are happening and PolyCab as a brand is now educating our trade partners our electricians our consumers in terms of how they can benefit through these changes. So FMG is going into a huge transition the way the products are getting sold so e-commerce is becoming extremely important. If you see over six years you know we have built overall category of flows to 1500 crores within FMG where we were not present at all. So the business is looking by on and we are going strength by strength every year. It's great to know that PolyCab is focusing a lot on greener technology. So what are your thoughts on leadership and marketing? So I think the analogy of good leadership and strong marketing strategy is essential to become a market leader. So and with PolyCab India we have you know redefined our entire marketing approach and strategy wherein our focus is on consumers our focus is on you know influencer segment because influencers play a very very important role in terms of advocacy of the brand. While players are commoditizing the market whether you see the retail you know wire segment where you know the entire category is trying to shift towards commodity but PolyCab is you know innovating in that segment as well. What we are trying to do is bring more better products to the consumers which basically is in line with sustainable products which is in line with you know ensuring the products are safe secured for longer term and they are you know kind of they give more value for money. So and we believe that only the leaders can do this wherein they will bring in more technology they will bring more premium quality products which gives more value. So today consumers are not seeking for cheaper products okay they are seeking for value for money what will give value to be for example we recently launched a product called PolyCab Marine Buyers and when we started our you know entire consumer communication build today within class one year our sales have grown 4x. So there are buyers there are takers for green wires which is almost 20% premium to the you know the normal regular category which is more commoditized. So people are ready to pay the premium it's all about leaders to basically you know it more give consumers a solution to a problem or maybe you know identify that need gap which consumers has today and you know kind of give them the solution for that need and they are more ready to pay till the time they get value. Second bit is what we did is you know created a digital experience while consumers today you know are more technology savvy they can you know serve the internet and you know go through various products and compare products what's available online. What we have created is a new concept of PolyCab Galeria. So this store basically is a experienced store we have already opened in close to eight cities in the country and there is another model which we have created is called PolyCab Arena which is our you know distributor or retailer owned model which are exclusive PolyCab stores where you can experience the product and the material will be shipped to your houses. You can select the product online and go in there and check the product quality and everything will be shipped to your house. So we are creating those experiences wherein it is not just about you know the price is the only game it's more about how do we differentiate ourselves from the competitors how do we bring more value to the consumers how we are seen as more sustainable brand. What are your plans for the future? What we have done is over the last one one and a half years we have got you know our strategy in place and that strategy is all about you know how do we you know up our game in the FMEG sector to be amongst the most leading FMEG player. How do we consolidate our leadership position in the cables and lines of business? I think these are true strong you know objectives which we have you know created and the strategy is basically to strengthen the brand proposition have more digitization across within the organization and outside world. So digitization is one big piece which we are kind of you know focusing upon. The third aspect is the entire you know we want to be a talent magnet in the global world and we are strengthening our you know overall talent hunt in terms of getting more better talent to ensure that whatever work we do is more consumer centric it's it's more you know technology friendly it's more sustainable and it's able to deliver value to the consumer and the influencer. So we are working in all these directions and our aim is by 2000 FY26 we are aiming to be a 20,000 crore business overall.  I suppose you already share 22% of the market right? Yeah so I think that's that plan is always on we will be you know keeping the hawk's eye in terms of what what makes sense for our business what what really gives us value. So recently if you are aware last year we acquired silver technologies and those are into smart automation and it's it's it's a good you know in sync with what we want to you know proceed ahead with what is in line with the business thought. So and we see the consumers will get evolved in a smart home technology much sooner than later and that was a very very right fit for us in terms of acquiring silver because it gives us opportunity to have a technology platform which supports you know our products and that was a good acquisition. Similarly I think in future whenever such opportunities come we will be we'll be open to that. Thank you Mr. Mulani. Thanks for talking with us. Thank you. Thank you Ganshu. Thanks. Thanks for joining me. Thank you.


Morning everybody from just east of Thunder Bay, Ontario in Canada. I slept right here tonight We woke up in the exact same spot. I checked we didn't even move an inch. It's awesome Good, we're gonna put air into the brakes of the trailer Release those when I went underneath the trailer in the morning here. I thought that the trailer was hooked on I'm just gonna do a little tug test before I leave just to ensure that my eyes weren't lying to me Because you know those lion eyeballs You got to make sure at least I do I'm paranoid though So I've been told for you don't need to do a tug test every day. No, I don't need to do a tug test every day either I mean I know but Do it anyway. I don't have to keep it on the road either. I mean I could put it in ditch I just choose not to you know, I choose keep it on the road.  I would recommend it I mean it seems like it makes sense, right? I Got my coffee right here Okay, okay big shout out to Dave who came up here in his red gravel truck and said hi to me just before I was about to roll Oh, it was actually just getting you guys ready to be mounted up on my head here and Making sure all my last-minute checks were done and he came up said hi to me Really nice really cool when you guys do that. I love I love meeting you guys. I was awesome I've been watching me for about eight years. He said I keep forgetting how long I've been doing this I mean I say it like I've been doing this online for what 11 12 years But it doesn't feel that long, you know, it really doesn't feel that long CB on Channel 19 if you guys ever passed by me on the highway and you want to say hi while we're rolling I'm on channel 19 like everyone else. I usually do have my radio on unless if I'm listening to my music It's a really good song. I'm really into it. Okay, just so I don't if I don't answer Sorry, probably listen to my music. All right, let's roll forward a couple of feet This guy beside me has a flat tire on this trailer He's sleeping right now, but I'm sure he noticed it when he walked around last night. I'll get that fixed before he goes Okay, here we go We will be home tonight approximately, ah, let's say between eight and nine hours from our yard just got to drop this trailer and Head off to my shop And old blues got some plans for the next few weeks getting a service job getting a few other little things done to it Getting a detail That's why it's so cold in here. I'm turning the heat on it's coming this way All right, let's go. It's supposed to be snow in Manitoba falling from the sky Terrible terrible That's no way to welcome me home 30 centimeters this week not all at once but 30 centimeters this week That's a that's a foot foot of snow I'm done with this stuff, you know on how heavy I am I'm actually I'd be too heavy to drive in the US on their highways in Canada here I'm legal still but I'm pretty much up to my max so I can I can tell old blues been working to pull this thing Plus it's a van trailer, right? So well, I got a very low roof This truck is built for hauling open deck and no problem. It's just it's like I got a big parachute behind me Right so all that weight pulling up the hills plus a parachute She's been a little thirsty, let's say even a little bit of a thirsty ride home Parking at Walmart. I hurt my feelings man kerfluffle in the truck parking there. I mean you had to be careful I guess they got tired of it I don't know why it's kind of bugs me when those big box stores don't want trucks Nearby them like I can understand like don't get me wrong sometimes you don't want heavy trucks on your expensive asphalt plan to Limit the amount of customers you can Take money from you know in exchange for goods and services You want to expand it as much as possible and truckers got to eat to you know We got a shop too hours away from where I'm gonna drop this trailer at our Manitoba terminal There I bobtailed in my shop and take it from there two more kilometers. We are just about there I'm not gonna fuel up my tanks my fuel probably gonna be pretty low when I park it in my shop I don't want to have that big fuel bill Right before I have some time off So I'll fill it up when I get back on the road unless it gets too low. I mean I don't want to park it on E but my load is also very heavy and I'm trying to keep my fuel below About two-thirds just for weight reasons I've been eating a few too many donuts. So I gotta watch how much fuel I put in my tank Close we are to the legal limit sometimes I wonder you know these logs They've got straps going over them, right? Obviously, but there's a lot in the middle that have no load-securement touching them As a flat better myself that would freak me out It freaks me out a little bit going behind them. I've never seen one like vibrate and fall out the end But you know if you hit a big enough bump it could easily happen Like those logs in the middle there those smaller ones there the straps not even touching them But I guess the weight of the other ones they're sort of pinned together. So they're sort of pinned in there I get it, but too risky for me, but Maybe that's all you can do right logs like that. I've hauled like poles like telephone poles and stuff And sometimes it's the same thing The straps don't only hold the load down it pins it all together squishes everything together, right? And then the outside poles are squishing against the inside ones and And the friction of that is holding it in place sort of pinning everything together even if the strap doesn't touch it Probably the same idea he is definitely being paid by the hour though I'll tell you that I've been following him for a while on the way up to Dryden here. He is definitely paid by the hour No rush in his mind. I would like to get by him, but I'm pretty heavy myself So whenever there's a passing lane It's a little difficult to try and pass people Because they usually have the passing lanes on the uphill right and then I lose all my momentum But you see if we would have been doing the speed limit at this point already We wouldn't have been losing so much momentum now and all our stuff out and This is going to be my project for the next couple of days This is why I parked the truck a little earlier than well than when we're expecting Our son to arrive so I have time to clean this all up Get this all thrown in the garbage Organize this all make it look like an actual neat shop get my little editing area here actually properly set up Get the bullsnot bar uncluttered So that's looks a bit better and that's all our stuff from at home I mean that's pretty well as organized as it's gonna get maybe I can build like something to hide it Well, I just leave it But I do have lots of projects in here for the next couple of weeks So I'll be at home and I'll be in here So there's gonna be a whole variety of different content coming now on my channel for the next month or so We will be back in the truck the latest in May. So it'll be a few weeks So stick around there will be some fun content coming in the future before we get back in the truck I'm also planning on going into the city to get a new camera or at least look at a new camera I've had my eye on one. I hope they have one in stock It's different because I've been using GoPro cameras And I usually always use GoPro cameras because they're easy to use you can fit them in your pocket You can strap them to your head you can strap them to the dash always hands-free you can like mount them outside the truck It's very handy and stuff, right? But I have something else in mind. I want to wait to show you